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Debut of OmniFocus 2

by Ken Case on February 1, 2013

As I said in my blog post announcing OmniFocus 2, our goals for version 2 are to bring back to the Mac all of the design and innovation that went into our iPad edition of OmniFocus: dedicated Forecast and Review modes, clearer navigation, and a fresh look and feel. And from the reaction from people I talked to at last night’s debut, it sounds like we’ve done just that!

OmniFocus 2 main screenshot

As with the iPad app, all navigation is now done through a unified sidebar: there is a single sidebar that includes your Inbox, Projects, and Contexts, as well as your Forecast of upcoming scheduled work, a list of Flagged tasks, and list of projects that need Review. The main navigation headers stick to the top or bottom as you scroll, so they’re always visible and accessible with a single click no matter where you are in the list.

OmniFocus 2 Forecast screenshot

The new Forecast mode shows you a summary of your upcoming time-based commitments at a glance in the sidebar. You can leave the forecast collapsed to see the next several days (as in the screenshot), or expand the forecast to see an entire month in your sidebar. From the forecast, you can select any combination of days to see a detailed schedule that includes scheduled tasks from OmniFocus integrated with events from your calendar.

With version 1 of OmniFocus it was already easy to add new items into your system—using the built-in Quick Entry on Mac, or Siri on the iPhone and iPad, or by sending email to your Inbox. Perhaps a little too easy: after using OmniFocus for a few months, OmniFocus could easily become cluttered with cruft that seemed important at the time, but is no longer relevant to the work you need to get done today! This is the problem we aim to solve by bringing Review mode to OmniFocus 2 (which we originally pioneered in the iPad app). Review mode walks you through reviewing any projects which you haven’t reviewed recently, making it easy to update your projects to make sure they reflect your current priorities.

Now that information about OmniFocus 2 is public, we’re happy to answer any questions you might have about it! Some of the obvious questions are:

Will this require new versions of OmniFocus for iPad and iPhone?

No, we’re not updating OmniFocus for iPad or iPhone at this time: OmniFocus 2 for Mac is designed to sync with the current shipping versions.

How soon will OmniFocus 2 be shipping?

The simplest answer to that question is that I don’t really know! A more accurate answer is that the answer really depends on what feedback we receive from all of you. We use an iterative development process at Omni, so our next step is to ship a private test release so we can get feedback from customers on how well it’s working in practice. Based on that feedback, we’ll update our design and ship another private test release (and invite more people into the test pool), and the cycle begins again. How many times we repeat that cycle depends on how long it takes for us to feel like we’ve achieved our goals for the release.

Once we finish those rounds of private testing, we’ll post a wide-open public test release for anyone to download from our website, and finish up some of the other hard work of writing documentation, translating the app and documentation to other languages, and submitting the app to Apple for App Store review. Usually this final stage takes 4-6 weeks—at that time, it should be much easier to accurately project a ship date.

How much will OmniFocus 2 cost?

OmniFocus 1 has been very successful at its current price point of $79.99—and we think that’s been providing great value for its current target audience of professional customers. But with OmniFocus 2 being much more approachable, we think there’s also an opportunity to reach a wider audience who don’t need all of the Pro features from the current edition. So we’re going to offer two editions of OmniFocus 2:

The Standard edition of OmniFocus 2 will include all of the basic features which we’ve talked about above, and will cost $39.99.

The Pro edition of OmniFocus will offer the option of building custom workflows like OmniFocus 1 does today, with its support for Perspectives and AppleScript.

Will there be a discount for current owners of OmniFocus 1?

Yes, on our online store we’ll be offering a 50% discount to current customers of OmniFocus 1, whether you originally bought directly from us or through the App Store. This means that current customers will be able to upgrade to the Standard edition of OmniFocus 2 for $19.99, or to the Pro edition for $39.99.

We would love to offer the same deal to people who wish to purchase OmniFocus 2 from the App Store, but unfortunately the App Store has no mechanism for offering selective discounts to different customers based on their previous purchases.

Will volume or educational discounts be available?

Yes, we will continue to offer volume discounts through our standard online store, and educational discounts through our Education Store.

What if I don’t own OmniFocus already? What should I buy today, and where should I buy it?

From now on, anyone who purchases OmniFocus 1 from our online store will receive a free upgrade to the Professional edition of OmniFocus 2 when it ships.

Comments

That looks gorgeous. Glad I jumped back to OF from Things now :)

Mark Avey

02.01.13 8:47 AM

Wow, it’s beautiful.
It’s a nerdgasme! :D Can’t wait!

Vincent

02.01.13 9:04 AM

It looks extremely promising and I am really looking forward to using it.

One question: Now that the columns are gone, will there still be a quick way to change start and due days? It looks like it requires more steps now. I’m asking because I’m using start days plus flags to pull tasks to my “today” perspective and am constantly entering / changing them.

I hope you still get some sleep these days… ;)

Frederik

02.01.13 9:07 AM

It’s looks awesome.

But I’ve got a question that if I buy a student discount version of OF today, which version will I have when OF2 ships?

Tony

02.01.13 9:12 AM

While the UI looks great, I am curious about the decision to use grey icons in the sidebar. Wouldn’t it make more design sense to use the same sidebar icons already in use on the iPad and iPhone versions of OmniFocus? In other words, instead of all new grey icons for Projects, Contexts, Forecast, etc., shouldn’t the app use the existing colored icons for Projects, Contexts, Forecast, etc. found on the iPad and the iPhone?

Additionally, I understand that this is an early version of the app… I’m curious if the mapping feature on the iPad and iPhone versions of OmniFocus will make it over to the Mac app? Seeing the actions mapped out on the Mac would give me another way to view my pending actions and would come in very handy. Plus, being able to edit the location data for Contexts on my Mac would be a bonus. So how about it… Map on the Mac version of OmniFocus?

Thanks.

Ian

02.01.13 9:23 AM

Can’t wait (-:

Bernd Wendholt

02.01.13 9:24 AM

Yes, I can’t wait :-)

Pawel

02.01.13 9:35 AM

Looks REALLY GREAT.

I was worried that too much of the interface would be ported directly over from the iPad, which has a quite a strong (maybe even forceful) visual identity. But this surpasses my expectations; clean, clear, and elegant with minimal visual noise. This looks like the kind of workspace where I could spend a lot of time.

Well done on the aesthetic! Look forward to trying it out!

Martin

02.01.13 9:36 AM

Noticed none of the screenshots show how Perspectives (in Pro edition) will look and what evolutions may have occured there. Definitely interested.

Why Perspectives are great: As Journey one sang “Anyway you want it, that’s the you need it, anyway you want it”

Chad

02.01.13 9:37 AM

Thank you for being generous with the upgrade pricing. I mentioned on Twitter this morning that I’ve been an OmniFocus evangelist since KinklessGTD and it would be nice to have a cheap upgrade. (I wouldn’t expect “free” but that would be nice too.) And I think the upgrade price is very reasonable given the quality of the product.

Two questions:
1) Although I’m a power user of OmniFocus, I’m not sure I would use the features that differentiate the standard version of OF 2 from the pro version. Will there be a way to try those features out for a while without having to buy the Pro version?

2) Will the upgrade pricing be cumulative with the educational discount?

Awesome job Omni people.

Robert Talbert

02.01.13 9:38 AM

Omni rocks!

Gabe

02.01.13 9:43 AM

Oh my gosh! This is phenomenal. I can’t wait for the release, and I hope I get to try it out in one of the testing phases.

Kennon Bickhart

02.01.13 9:43 AM

I have been waiting days and nights.

stormgen

02.01.13 9:44 AM

I’m hoping that it has some sort of task tags, to support enhanced workflows, supported by perspectives.

dtj

02.01.13 9:45 AM

The design work alone is worth the upgrade price to me. Can’t wait to start using 2

Michael Kumm

02.01.13 9:48 AM

This looks really great… especially the feature that integrates ical into the forecast-view! Very handy!

I want to enforce what Frederic wrote earlier: What about the columns?
Focus a project and hacking in the Data is essential part of my workflow nowadays, too…

Name of the task, bam… Project Name, bam… Context, bam… Due date and time, bam… (Hit the spacebar for checking it as done, bam)... Return, bam… create next task… thats great with the columns…

It would be really a step back, if I would have to leave the keyboard, grab the mouse and go back then to the keyboard…

And don’t forget Omniplan-Integration… ;-)

Christian Klein

02.01.13 10:01 AM

Looks great!

Except for one thing, the always visible scrollbars. Is that due to the configuration of the demo system or due to the application? I hope OmniFocus 2 will work with the overlay scrollbars like any other Mac application.

Maximilian Gaß

02.01.13 10:17 AM

Looks nice! I’m a big fan of OmniFocus for iPad.

I guess I was also hoping for some of the dramatic color scheme from the iPad to make it back to the Mac. Blue sidebars have become rather passé (though not as much as drawers); black backgrounds for sidebars are “in”. (See Twitter for iPad or Evernote for Mac’s recent redesign.)

Also increasingly fashionable is prominent color branding. Evernote uses limited amounts of green to great effect; perhaps a dash of purple here and there could liven up OmniFocus as well?

John Hupp

02.01.13 10:29 AM

I am really excited about OmniFocus 2 and it looks absolutely gorgeous.  Great job thus far! I can’t wait!!

J.P.

02.01.13 10:35 AM

Oh my…the changes are impressive. I signed up some time ago to give this a test and I look forward to being rolled into the private beta so I can give OmniFocus 2 a go. I never fail to be impressed by the Omni Group’s work.

Michael Flower

02.01.13 10:36 AM

This looks awesome! Can’t wait. It would be really handy if you could move the gant chart around in the forecast view. It would make for such a simple and powerful way to plan out my day.

Vinny Troia

02.01.13 10:49 AM

What are the system requirements for OmniFocus 2?

Mark Aman

02.01.13 11:11 AM

It’s shipping next week, right? Right? Arewethereyet?Arewethereyet?Arewethereyet?

Steve Koterski

02.01.13 11:22 AM

Love the changes!  One option I’d love to see is to be able to turn the calendar display OFF on both iDevice and OF2 on the forecast panel.  It’s distracting and adds “friction” to using the forecast feature.  I see where this could be useful for some but it doesn’t work well with my workflow.

Looking forward to OF2 just about the time I reached ninja status with OF1.  Doh! ;-)

Jay Berringer

02.01.13 11:55 AM

Looks nice, but I was hoping for more fundamental changes like Tags or Multiple contexts per task

Jonathan

02.01.13 12:23 PM

Wow, I can’t wait. Been using OF for while and waiting for this update. I would love to be part of the private test release. Thanks for this update.

Mark

02.01.13 12:27 PM

Looks great!

Still hoping it will have a proper way to do templates.

Frank

02.01.13 12:31 PM

It is all nice. However, keeping it Apple-mobile only severely limits the audience. Definitely excludes our family.

Vlad

02.01.13 12:56 PM

I LOVE that it’s single window. Above all I really struggled with the current omniplan and it’s multiple windows. I have another screen I plug into at work and multi-window apps do annoying things when switching resolutions. Here’s hoping I can beta test this….

Clark

02.01.13 1:01 PM

This looks good! I really hope you continue with duration on tasks. This is something I really miss on iPad and iphone verisions. On OF1, I always estimate how long each task will take, and using applescript to calculate how long it will take to do all tasks. - Then using another applescript to move all DUE tasks to Omniplan. Very good workflow, and hopefully you´ll keep this possibility in OF2.

- Am I the only person missing duration/Estimate function on ipad and iphone?

Gjermund

Gjermund Sivertsen

02.01.13 1:21 PM

Great evolution of the product, I’d like to see some enhanced reporting available.

Colin

02.01.13 1:22 PM

Looks great, but I’ll be really disappointed if there’s still no support for user-configurable metada aside from the notes field (whether you call it “tags” or “multiple contexts” or something completely different).

Eurobubba

02.01.13 1:35 PM

Looks fantastic, very excited to see it as soon as possible.

Unified sidebar is welcome, switching from planning to doing “modes” has always been awkward in how it was implemented.  I like this approach a lot better.

emory

02.01.13 1:37 PM

I currently own both iOS apps and recently purchased a Mac. I have been using the “wait and see” license as I waited for this announcement. Here is my question, I think the basic $40 version will meet my needs, however, there is currently no option to buy that and my current license expires on Feb 7. Will you extend that license until the $40 basic version is available for purchase?

David

02.01.13 1:49 PM

Very much looking forward to the private beta of OF 2. I’m a long time user and *still* get confused as to which perspectives show what and when (and some inherit the last’s look, etc.). It means I’m never sure I’m seeing everything, or at least what I want to see. This looks like it could help solve that.

Forecasts is great on the iPad, but unfortunately it won’t work for me on the Mac, because my company uses Lotus Notes (yup). On iOS, Lotus’s calendar works as another calendar in the iOS Calendar app, so you can see it in OF. On the Mac, it’s the stand alone Lotus app, which means no dice. If there is a workaround, I’ll bet it’s locked down.

Matt Chagnon

02.01.13 1:50 PM

project templates? <squeeky mouse voice>

Sean

02.01.13 2:10 PM

Hi,
looks great! I’ve been waiting for this for a long while…

I have two questions:
- will there be two-way synching with Calendar? I would love to be able to change a task’s due date just by drag and dropping it on a calendar either with an integrated calendar in OmniFocus or by two-way synching with Calendar.

- if I upgrade to the standard edition, will I be able to upgrade to the pro edition without paying for a full upgrade?

Charles Quenneville

02.01.13 2:20 PM

Regarding upgrade pricing, what would you think about offering both pro and standard on the App Store at half price for a limited time, say, one week? That would urge a lot of people to upgrade quickly, as well as prompt purchases from first-time customers who would otherwise be on the fence about when to purchase. People who need to wait for whatever reason will still end up paying full price.

I currently own the Mac, iPad, and iPhone versions of OmniFocus, and use them all every day. I would definitely upgrade using the App Store the day it is released, if it’s offered at half price for a limited time.

David

02.01.13 2:24 PM

I will buy it on day one. I use Omnifocus every 10 minutes at work.
1. Is it 64-bit?
2. Can we change the fonts to Helvetica?
3. Is it faster?
4. Is it retina?

Duncan Baines

02.01.13 2:39 PM

Was really hoping to see a way of setting task priority so I can sort my tasks within projects (and perhaps even sort projects) by priority. Even having custom tags (with the ability to sort, or at least filter by tags) could fulfill this need.

I’ve been a long-time proponent (and a some time evangelist) of OmniFocus, but I admit I’ve been looking at alternatives the past few weeks because of a change in jobs that requires me to prioritize tasks.

Daniel James

02.01.13 2:47 PM

I own OF for ipad and I’d be happy to switch all my task managment on this platform with Of2 but at work,where I need it most, we have windows- based system.
Since it isn’t a good idea having separate places to for life and work stuff I finished to almost abandon Of for other applications that offered sync with toodledo, notwithstanding the better quality of Of.
Any chance to see the problem of the portability outside the Apple devices ? At least if you don’t want to develop a windows version or create a web app to access to omni server data, why not allowing the sync with services such as toodledo ? My apologies but I find absurd to be forced to drop Of for a mere problem of portability…

Marco

Marco M.

02.01.13 2:47 PM

A pity, but not this version that I will return to OmniFocus. I work on Windows, web access or sync through Toodledo is all I need. That way no how. Mac has not everywhere.

Marcelo

02.01.13 3:34 PM

Please does it work with Google Calendar?

Also can you do a focus view on a project with sub projects and the gantt chart shows up for that project and sub projects?

Much appreciated

Tim Turner

02.01.13 3:51 PM

I loved the interface. But what about the sync? It’s very reliable, but in its current state, it’s quite slow, mainly in comparison with Things 2.0.

Alexandre Costa e Silva

02.01.13 4:12 PM

So happy to see this coming.  Love your products.  Own most.  Want more.

Russ B

02.01.13 4:21 PM

Been waiting for this upgrade, nice!

Ale

02.01.13 4:25 PM

Whew! Compared to OF1 OF2 IS a breath of fresh air. Clutter is all stripped out. One tiny nitpick: would like to see the Context icon be an actual @ sign like in iOS.
Can’t wait to get this!

Robert

02.01.13 5:17 PM

Here’s money! Take it now!

Really excited. Love Omnifocus. Soooo glad you’re supporting AppleScript in the Pro version. Guaranteed sale.

Eric

02.01.13 7:24 PM

If you folks are interested, we snagged an interview with Ken about the new features in the upcoming version and Thursday’s event.  Check it out! - http://proguide.io/omnifocus-2-0-preview-with-ken-case/

Andrew Mason

02.01.13 8:01 PM

The release looks great. I have some small question about its functionality. See - I am a software engineer and things will come up that I need to quickly write down. Will there be a hot key or Alfred integration so I can add items as my day progresses? Or will I be forced to go to the application and run a few key commands before being able to type?

Cheers,

Mike

Mike

02.01.13 8:18 PM

Don’t get me wrong…I like the way this is going from the layout point of view, (though, I see a more than passing resemblance to both Things and 2Do apps), but can we have some more color in the design?  Colors are ENERGIZING and ENGAGING, and make me want to get in and manage my tasks.  The top and left side UI of OF2 above are very drab and GREY.  I liked the colored icons used in OF1.  And give me the ability to add some color to the fonts for the LHS section titles, and use colored icons.  Both OF1 and the Ipad version are more engaging than this.

phil

02.01.13 9:09 PM

Hi!

Please bring Apple iCloud sync and mindmapping tool. And support for team workflow and task sharing to others for colaborations!

Martin Xorpi Fraňo

02.01.13 9:27 PM

Correct me if I’m wrong, but developers are able to issue redemption codes for the Mac App Store.  Could you not allow version 1 customers to buy the upgrade at the upgrade price from your online store then issue them an App Store redemption code for the version 2 they’ve upgraded to?

Stef

02.01.13 10:59 PM

I’m curious about the free upgrade, I’m considering ditching Things and jumping over to the OmniFocus camp but if I buy now will the free upgrade to OnmiFocus 2 be the Pro or Standard versions?

Christine

02.02.13 12:19 AM

Wow! Looks like it’s going to shoot to the top app list for 2013 - at least for me. Fantastic!

Thomas Böttiger

02.02.13 3:17 AM

Hurry! I wante this yesterday!

Kwanza

02.02.13 6:47 AM

Awesome… Can’t for OmniFocus 2 to get released.

However, I’d like to echo Gjermund Sivertsen. Please definitely integrate time estimation features more rigorously, and add them to iPad and iPhone.

Thanks, best,

Matthias

Matthias

02.02.13 6:55 AM

Hey!

I am a student from Slovenia and I have and use Omnifocus 1 for 1 year now. I bought it through the Mac App store - what will be pricing for me for upgrade? I am interested in professional version.

All the best,

Uroš

Uroš

02.02.13 7:01 AM

“Yes, on our online store we’ll be offering a 50% discount to current customers of OmniFocus 1, whether you originally bought directly from us or through the App Store. This means that current customers will be able to upgrade to the Standard edition of OmniFocus 2 for $19.99, or to the Pro edition for $39.99.”

This is really messed up you’re charging for an update all those that have already paid once. Few companies try to exploit their current customers like you. Very disappointed.

John

02.02.13 7:53 AM

I’m flush with anticipation.

Just a note: Everyone always says the App Store doesn’t allow differential pricing. But it does. I purchased v1 from your website; I’d like to purchase the Pro level of v2 through the App Store. The American Heritage Dictionary allowed a discount when I purchased v5 and already owned v4. I’m not sure exactly how they did it. I think it involved having a token that worked along with in-app purchasing. As another example, Newsstand allows magazines to give free subs to people who already subscribe traditionally.

I know Apple hasn’t made it easy, and I sincerely wish they would. Nevertheless, some clever companies have found workarounds that aren’t too difficult. Perhaps you could consider this?

Linda

02.02.13 8:42 AM

@John

Do you have a job?  Have you been paid more than once?  If so, why?  Shouldn’t that first paycheck entitle your employer to the fruits of your labor in perpetuity?  Yeah, sure, you did some more work, but it was pretty similar to what you did before, why should they have to pay more?

This is the first paid update for OmniFocus for Mac.  The program first shipped over 5 years ago: http://www.omnigroup.com/blog/entry/Announcing_OmniFocus_1.0/

That was less than three months after Apple first started selling Leopard ((10.5).  Apple has since shipped Snow Leopard, Lion and Mountain Lion, charging for each one of those 3 new major versions.  By comparison, Omni has been shipping numerous feature updates to OmniFocus for free during that time,

Either the new version delivers value worth the cost to you, or it doesn’t.  If it doesn’t, don’t buy it until such time that it does, if ever.  You can run the version you’ve already bought for as long as you can maintain a suitable machine on which to run it.

Bill

02.02.13 8:51 AM

So currently it is not possible to buy it via Mac App store with discount? I need it since I use it on 2 computers.

Uroš

02.02.13 9:33 AM

Just to add to the comments here about pricing: the discounts and the sales are all very good but I’ll buy OmniFocus 2 whatever you charge. It’s been a transformative application for me - my wife was driven to comment that I appear lighter and happier since I moved to OmniFocus - and that had been worth immeasurably more to me than the price I paid.

William

William Gallagher

02.02.13 10:12 AM

I really like most of what I’m seeing here very much and the iPad similarities looks well implemented but:

*) I too hope to be able to enter project and context inline without having to use the inspector .. though I suppose if that was just available in the Inbox/Quick Entry I may be pacified. Maybe.

*) Some colour for projects and folders in the sidebar please. I really don’t like that way that Apple has washed out so much of it in 10.8 as it means I now have to look more closely at everything to check what it is.  Open a Finder window, look at the icons in your sidebar. Select the Go menu, look at the ‘same’ icons. Which do you prefer?

*) I like the idea of the Purple splash motif à la Evernote - it works very nicely there.

*) Bring back duration please. I miss that very much in the iPad/iPhone versions.

*) Why menus now for Type and Status in the Inspector? The radio buttons work better as all choices are immediately visible and one tap is all that is needed to select what I want. Now it will be two taps on each menu unless I want the default options every time!

I’m really looking forward to the finished version now I’ve seen this. Well done guys and knowing you’ll take the time to do it right gives me a good feeling.

Stephen

02.02.13 10:28 AM

Thanks for the update.  Wouldn’t it make sense to offer OmniFocus 1 for $39.99 starting now, so new prospective customers of the non-Pro version of OmniFocus 2 can take the plunge now?

I’m using the temporary license right now, and I think I’m most likely going to get the non-Pro version of OmniFocus 2.  It doesn’t make sense for me to spend $79.99 right now, and I’d like to start using the product with a permanent license soon.

Yuji

02.02.13 10:33 AM

I look forward to OmniFocus 2, but I am even more excited by OmniPresence. Could you write a blog post similar to this one about OmniPresence? Thanks!

olivier

02.02.13 11:02 AM

As William said, OF is also immeasurably to me. I’m using this software daily for years and it’s creating endless value. It never lost any data and my trust in OF is higher than in any other software. Therefore i’ll not update but buy the full license again.

Ali

02.03.13 3:34 AM

This is a repeat question from another user asked again in hopes or being answered.

I’m a trial OF 1 user for 3 more days.

If I spend $79 today do I get OF 2 Pro or Basic upgrade for free?

It’d stink to have to pay $138 to get it now and OF2 Pro when it comes out.

I’m looking forward to tweaking out this great application once I know! Thanks for the innovation and helping me track my crazy brain’s ideas and projects.

Mark

02.03.13 1:58 PM

Mark, the last sentence of this blog post states: “From now on, anyone who purchases OmniFocus 1 from our online store will receive a free upgrade to OmniFocus 2 when it ships.”
Reading the whole post it is absolutely clear, that for this price this will be the Pro-edition of OmniFocus, because it is also stated above that the Standard-edition will be at a different price: “The Standard edition of OmniFocus 2 will include all of the basic features which we’ve talked about above, and will cost $39.99.”
Please note, that if you buy OF1 now and want to receive the free upgrade ot OF2, you should buy the app at OmniGroups online store- not at Apples AppStore! The reason for this is also mentioned in the blog article.

In short again, if you buy OF1 from now on and from OmniGroups online store, you will receive OF2 Pro for free.

Bernd

02.03.13 3:05 PM

The current product is the “pro” version — the basic version will be a somewhat cut-down feature set.  Presumably (I don’t speak for Omni) if you buy the $79 OF 1 you get a free upgrade to the $79 OF 2.  Given the nature of their upgrade pricing and policies (for example, you can upgrade for the same price from any prior version, and they give full money back even if you buy through the App Store, which costs them 30% of the price to make you whole) it is hard to imagine that they are going to shaft you by only giving you the OF 2 Basic edition.  The raison d’etre of the Basic edition as Ken presented it the other night seemed to be to attract those who don’t need all the features and who might find the full price version too expensive, not as an opportunity to gouge the small percentage of customers who happened to be showing up for the party just as OF 1 was transitioning to OF 2.  But, if you want an ironclad answer, send email to .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) and ask them; you should hear back before your trial license expires.

Bill

02.03.13 3:08 PM

Looks great, but have multiple contexts / tags been ruled out?

Ryan

02.03.13 4:42 PM
Team Member

Thanks for all the great feedback, everyone!

@Frederik and @Christian: You’ll still be able to tab or click into the Start and Due fields while editing a task. Those fields are now positioned in the bottom right corner (where you see “Due Today” in the Forecast screenshot), and hidden when they’re not needed (i.e., when they’re empty and you’re not editing that task).

@Tony and @Christine and (today’s) @Mark: If you purchase OmniFocus 1 directly from us today, you’ll get an upgrade to the Pro edition of OmniFocus 2 when it ships.

@Ian: Your feedback about the icons is exactly the sort of feedback we’re looking for right now, and that’s the reason we’re sharing the design with everyone now, before it’s all fixed in stone and ready to ship. I’ll try to remember to pass along your feedback to our design team (and they may have seen it independently by reading these comments), but you can guarantee it reaches them by sending email to .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address).

  We would love to integrate maps into OmniFocus for Mac, but Apple doesn’t provide a MapKit framework for Mac they way they do for iOS. We’d love to see something like that show up in a future version of OS X, but for now that remains an exclusive feature on iOS.

@Chad: We haven’t sorted out all of the design issues for Perspectives yet, but we do know they’ll be moving into the sidebar and that Pro’s Perspectives will offer more advanced view customization options than are available in the Standard app.

@Robert Talbert: Yes, to both questions: as with our other apps, you’ll be able to test drive the Pro edition for a few weeks before making a decision—and upgrade pricing will be cumulative with educational and volume discounts.

@Christian and @Frank and @Eurobubba @Sean: We haven’t forgotten OmniPlan integration or project templates or user-configurable metadata—far from it!—but we already have plenty of work to finish for v2.0 and want to ship that work before we commit to more.

@Maximilian: The intent is to use overlay scrollbars as you suggest. (The sidebar is certainly already using them; I’m not sure why they’re not also being used by the main action outline in that second screenshot.)

@John, @Jay, @Robert, and @phil: Thanks for sharing that! As I mentioned to @Ian above, you can guarantee your design feedback reaches our team by emailing .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address).

@Vinny: Could you email us with a little more detail about how you’d like to be able to manipulate the Gantt chart? (Do you just want to position the whole Gantt chart elsewhere in the Forecast, or to be able to drag end-points of events around to schedule them like you can in OmniPlan?)

@Mark Aman: We would appreciate feedback on this, of course, but current builds of OmniFocus 2 require Mountain Lion (OS X v10.8). It has a number of low-level features and fixes which make our development go faster, and also includes Notification Center which we’re using to display reminders about upcoming deadlines.

@Steve: You did read what I said about when we would be shipping, right? :)

@Jonathan and @Ryan: Thanks for the feedback! I’m not sure what struggles you might be encountering that lead you to want multiple contexts/tags on tasks, but nearly every time I’ve seen a task require more than one context it was because the task had not really been broken down into concrete, discrete actions. I’m not saying that you should go _too_ far down the rabbit hole of breaking tasks down into sub-tasks (“Well, in order to send that email I’ll have to fill in the ‘To’ field, then the ‘Subject’ field, then compose each paragraph…”), but I do think that if a task still requires more than one context there’s probably some value to breaking it down further, because it lets you accomplish that part of the task and independently complete (and mark as complete) that portion of the task while you’re in that context. Have you experimented with this approach?

@Mark: Glad to hear it! If you haven’t already, you might want to sign up for our private test waiting list!

@Vlad, @Marco, and @Marcelo: I’m afraid that supporting other platforms would be a very expensive proposition for us, delaying our ability to deliver major upgrades like this to our current customers. (We have already have plenty of work on our plates just keeping up with the Mac, iPad, and iPhone platforms!)

@Gjermund and @Matthias: OmniFocus 2 still supports Estimated Time. (You can see it in the first screenshot above.)

@Colin: Thanks! As for reporting… I assume you mean you’d like more built-in reports? In OmniFocus 1, you can already build just about any kind of report you want using either Perspectives or AppleScript—and of course you’ll be able to do the same in OmniFocus 2 Pro. (Are there any specific reports you’re wanting?)

@David (02.01.13 1:49 PM): We don’t plan to extend that license, but I’ll talk with the team and we’ll see if we can find another solution to your problem.

@Matt: I take it it doesn’t work to configure the Calendar app on Mac to also use the Lotus Notes calendar (i.e. to configure it the same way as the Calendar app is configured on iOS)?

@Charles: Would it work to drop a task onto one of the days in the Forecast calendar? (Since the Calendar app in Mountain Lion doesn’t support tasks, there’s no way to sync with it.)

  You will be able to upgrade from OmniFocus 2 Standard to OmniFocus 2 Pro for the difference in their prices ($39.99). But since that’s the same price as going from OmniFocus 1 directly to OmniFocus 2 Pro, it’s probably worth using the 2-week trial period to give Pro a test drive before you upgrade your OmniFocus license so you can decide which edition you really want.

@David (02.01.13 2:24 PM): We’re happy to make discounted pricing available to upgrading customers (honoring their existing investment), but we feel that a temporary discount which is available to everyone devalues our product—making loyal customers who purchased without the sale feel like they missed out. So we’ll make discounted upgrade pricing available to all our customers through our online store, and we’ll leave it to our customers to decide whether they want the discount or the App Store.

@Duncan: Yes, it’s 64-bit. No, I don’t think we’re planning any mechanism for changing the font (but now’s a good time to email feedback about the font to .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)). Some things may be faster, but that wasn’t really a priority. (Our goals for the release are listed above.) Yes, the entire app has been updated for Retina.

@Daniel: Have you considered giving your task names a prefix which includes their priority (e.g. “P1: Fix the framistan”) and simply sorting by name? We are intentionally trying not to change the data format for v2.0 because we want it to be fully sync-compatible with the current shipping apps.

@Tim Turner: I haven’t tried Google Calendar, but Forecast should work with anything that shows up in OS X’s Calendar app. We haven’t implemented Focus yet (we haven’t started on Pro features), but the intent is that every view (including the sidebar contents and Forecast) will honor it.

@Alexandre: Are you finding syncing to be slow on the Mac edition of OmniFocus? If so, what exactly are you finding to be slow? (Are you just wanting it to sync automatically more often, so you don’t have to press the sync button?)

@Mike: OmniFocus 1 already supports a Quick Entry hot key that brings up a Quick Entry window no matter what app you’re running, and OmniFocus 2 will continue to support that.

@Stef: Developers are only able to issue 50 redemption codes per release, and we’re specifically not allowed to sell them to customers. (After all, doing so would bypass Apple’s 30%-40% cut of our App Store sales.)

@Uroš: Before OmniFocus 2 ships, you’ll be able to register your Mac App Store license with our online store to make yourself eligible for the 50% upgrade discount—and as a student, you’ll be able to combine that with our educational discounts for even more savings. We haven’t set our edu pricing yet, but if we follow our OmniFocus 1 pricing your total cost to upgrade as a student from OmniFocus 1 to OmniFocus 2 Pro would be $25.

  When you purchase software from us, you’re entitled to install it on as many Macs as you want as long as you are the only person using it.  Alternatively, you’re entitled to let as many people use it as once as long as they only use it on a single Mac.  For more information, see How our electronic licenses work.

@John: I’m sorry that you’re disappointed! After providing over five years of free upgrades to OmniFocus 1 (adding syncing, perspectives, flexible repeating tasks, and much much more), we feel that charging $19.99 for OmniFocus 2 is very reasonable. (Have you compared our discount with the discounts Microsoft and Apple offer to customers who upgrade to new versions of Office or iWork?)

@Linda: I started asking Apple to let us offer upgrade pricing through the App Store in 2008 (before the iPhone App Store launched), and I’ve repeated this request to them many times each year since. So far, they haven’t offered any solution—but I’ll continue to ask, and if they do offer a solution before OmniFocus 2 launches we’ll certainly use it!  (It would make all our lives much simpler.)

@Stephen: As I mentioned to @Ian above, you can guarantee your design feedback reaches our team by emailing .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address). But before you do, I should note that you can still enter project and context information inline by tabbing to their fields, and that OmniFocus 2 still supports Estimated Time (as you can see in the first screenshot).

@Yuji: We’ll give that some thought.

@olivier: Glad to hear you’re excited about OmniPresence! I’d love to write more about it; anything in particular you’d like to know?

Thanks again, everyone!

Ken Case

02.03.13 4:49 PM

Looks fantastic! Is there an expected date for the private testing to commence? Can’t wait!

Steve Savanna

02.03.13 10:16 PM

Hi,

How about some method other than a popover for looking at an item’s details? Macs have so much screen real estate these days, and I would prefer not to have to click on a little widget to see these details. I would rather have that information visible in a palette like it is now….

john mckenzie

02.04.13 8:33 AM

There are a couple pretty good cases for multiple contexts. First is location. Currently, a context can only have one location assigned to it. There are a handful of bank branches I use regularly, so being able to tag task as for any of them would be very handy so that I get the appropriate bloop on my phone when I’m at *any* of those branches.

Second is tasks that can actually be accomplished multiple places. For instance, I can buy air conditioner filters at Lowe’s, Target, or even online. Being able to see this task on any of those lists would be ridiculously helpful. Hierarchical contexts approach handling this, but has its limitations.

If I have a context hierarchy like this:

- Errands
—Shopping
—- Lowe’s
—- Target
—- Amazon.com
—- Apple Store

This blurs the line between my Mac context and Shopping, but I can indeed add air conditioner filters to “Shopping” and see it when I select Shopping. But it will also show when I’m at the Apple Store too, but I can’t actually buy air conditioner filters at the Apple Store. Beyond that, shouldn’t Amazon.com be a Mac context instead? But, if so, then I need to set up a Shopping perspective that remembers context selections so I can select Mac : Amazon.com and Shopping. It’s doable, but perspectives are an odd hack for the multiple contexts issue that still has its limitations.

This gets even *more* screwed up if you have hierarchical contexts for location purposes. If I have a context hierarchy like this:

- Errands
—Shopping
—- Lowe’s
——My Lowe’s
—- Target
——My Target
—- Amazon.com
—- Apple Store
——My Apple Store

Then I can’t add the task “Buy air conditioner filters” to My Lowe’s and My Target and Amazon.com in a way that will alert me to the task when I’m actually *at* those stores. I have to add it to Shopping and then remember to check the list.

I hope that shows how multiple contexts are a true need, and not just a problem with how the user understands the work they’re trying to do.

Jamie Phelps

02.04.13 9:01 AM

Oh no :( OF2 runs only on Mountain Lion (OS X v10.8).

I have been waiting eagerly to see what the new version would offer but the limitation to 10.8 is really bad news!!
Snow leopard has been the best OS for me and I think for others.
Notifications via growl work fine. 10.8 would run much slower on my not brad new mac.

Is there any chance that OF2 will be available for 10.6 as well?

Hans

02.04.13 10:10 AM

Count me as another who is not eager to be forced to use 10.8.  Which features of 10.8 specifically make your development go faster?  In my experience, supporting prior versions of the OS always seems to be an understandable, if regrettable, afterthought at Omni.

Bill

02.04.13 11:49 AM

Wil you reach out to current users via email the day it’s released? Anxious to get started with OF2.
Thanks! Great job, it looks good.

Christa

02.04.13 12:00 PM
Team Member

@christa The best way to stay in the loop with regards to OmniFocus 2 would be to head over to http://www.omnigroup.com/test/ and sign up for the private test program. Even if you don’t actually use the app until the final release, you’ll get email updates as the process goes along.

Barring an emergency, we assume that customers that haven’t specifically opted in to getting email from us about a given topic would prefer to be left alone. While we’re probably missing out on some sales by handling it that way, we think our customers’ privacy trumps maximizing profit. :-)

Brian

02.04.13 12:58 PM
Team Member

@Hans, @Bill: Older versions of the operating system have bugs in the frameworks which affect constraint-based view layout, flipped coordinate systems, document coordination, sandboxing, and many other operating system features which OmniFocus 2 is built on top of. It may be possible to work around some of these issues in order to support older operating systems, but that can significantly slow down both development and testing.

@christa: I’m going to disagree with Brian and suggest that the best way to stay informed about all Omni product releases is to subscribe to our low-traffic Omni News mailing list. (To see what messages we’ve sent to that list in the past, you can visit its archive.)

Ken Case

02.04.13 1:24 PM

Regarding tags or multiple contexts, I’d like to add my voice to the chorus. Here are two examples of situations in which I’d appreciate the ability to use more than one context:
1) I need to find out where to send a widget. Anna and Bob both have this information. I could email both of them, or ask either of them in person. What context do I use? Anna? Bob? Co-workers? Email? I’d like to be able to have the task “Ask Anna or Bob where to send a widget” show up under Anna, Bob and Email.
2) I need to show Anna a new widget machine at a particular location. Meeting with Anna in other places, or going to the place without Anna won’t work. I want to tag “Show Anna the new widget machine in the break room” with both Anna and the location. The task may be important enough to remember (and do!) but not so important that we need to schedule a meeting at that particular place.

I have one other feature request, and a comment on due dates:
- increased flexibility/ease in switching between ordered and unordered actions. For example, I need to talk to Anna about something and pick up something else from Bob before I can meet with Carol. I can do either of the first two actions in any order, but I must do both before I do the third. Right now this is possible but inelegant, requiring nesting of actions. It’s a bigger pain on iOS than on the Mac, but I find it frustrating in both places.
- I don’t understand the decision to have OmniFocus provide notifications at a due date & time, but not support a reminder time. If OF notifies me about an action, it’s already too late. I’d rather have it tell me in advance that my action or project is due in an hour or at the end of the day than have it tell me I should have everything done already. I could use the due dates as reminders, but I fear that treating “due” as “not-really-due” in OF is a great way to get used to ignoring actual due dates! Because of this, I don’t use due dates in OF at all.

I’m very excited about OF2, and I hope that the shipped product is as big a jump in usefulness as it is in looks!

Beth

02.04.13 1:39 PM

Ken,

Thanks for the update, re: Free upgrade to Pro or Standard version. This is exactly why I want to move to OmniFocus, commitment to your customers and good feedback :)

Christine

02.04.13 3:03 PM

Dear Ken,

Firstly, i love OF and deeply respect what you guys are doing. 

I would like to plus 1 the multiple contexts per action. I had been hoping for that change for quite some, so I have to say I feel disappointment at seeing your above comments on that issue.  These are strong feelings given the passion for the product, so please take the following remarks with that in mind.

I’m not sure if it is easily done given the applications origins in omnioutliner (that is my speculation), but it seems to me there are many tasks this day and age that have multiple contexts.  And being able to assign an action to multiple contexts has the potential to really improve the quality of your context view. 

Just a simple one like reading a newspaper.  I can do that on my ipad, iphone, on a website or with my actual physical paper at home or in the office.  i guess i could just create a single read context, but inevitably that would be capturing some actions that I could or could not do based on my real context.  I know folks have some work arounds for these sorts of things, but at the end of the day, these workarounds are really hacks.  It would be easier and more elegant to have this functionality in the software.

Obviously, plenty of folks seem to think multiple contexts per action would be helpful to them.  I’m not really buying the argument that the problem is I need to break down my next actions furthert.  By that rationale, my recurring “read the newspaper task”, needs to have two components.  First i need a next ction to decide which context i want to read the newspaper in today (context omnifocus) and then i need a read the newspaper action with the context i chose for that particular day.  Or by your rationale, i need to just decide now how I am always going to read the newspaper each and every day.  I feel pretty strongly that multiple contexts are the way to go for most people and that powering OmniFocus with them is the right way to go in the long run. 


Best regards,
Nick S

PS - Please set me up with OF 2 beta. I’m on the waiting list :)

Nick S

02.04.13 4:39 PM

The updates do look quite attractive and productive.

I must confess I do feel gypped on not being eligible for a free upgrade; I purchased all versions of Omnifocus (Mac, iphone, ipad) less than a year ago. The offer for a reduced upgrade doesn’t ease the pain in this case.

In any case, good luck with the release.

Craig Coleman

02.04.13 5:46 PM

@Craig,
almost half of your money was spent on products where you still have the most current version, with no talk of future paid upgrades as far as the eye can see.  How far back do you think the free upgrade offer should go? Compare the treatment you’re getting from Omni with that which you would get from Apple: free upgrade only if bought within 30 days, and no discount for purchasers beyond that.  You’re probably going to get several years of updates from OF 2 before the next paid upgrade…the cost of a 50% off upgrade is going to be peanuts compared to what you’ll likely spend on OS upgrades and new hardware over that time.  2 years from now, will you be appreciably better off if you had kept the 40 cents each week? :-)  It’s not like you’re going to be able to buy a rock-solid copy of OF 2 in the next month or two, either.

Bill

02.04.13 6:59 PM

Looks way cool. Integration with Omnioutliner and omniplan would be awesome. How can I get in on the beta testing?
Bill

Bill Pfohl

02.04.13 7:09 PM

@Jonathan and @Ryan: Thanks for the feedback! I’m not sure what struggles you might be encountering that lead you to want multiple contexts/tags on tasks, but nearly every time I’ve seen a task require more than one context it was because the task had not really been broken down into concrete, discrete actions. I’m not saying that you should go _too_ far down the rabbit hole of breaking tasks down into sub-tasks (“Well, in order to send that email I’ll have to fill in the ‘To’ field, then the ‘Subject’ field, then compose each paragraph…”), but I do think that if a task still requires more than one context there’s probably some value to breaking it down further, because it lets you accomplish that part of the task and independently complete (and mark as complete) that portion of the task while you’re in that context. Have you experimented with this approach?

That’s the most egotistical rationale/response I’ve ever seen.  It’s basically saying ***I*** would never use (or I don’t see a need for) multiple contexts/tags, and if YOU would just use OF the way I do you wouldn’t need them either.  This has been a highly debated issue for years—- just look at the forum debates and work arounds.

I know at least a dozen people that use Things because OF doesn’t do multiple contexts.  Despite my “preaching” on why OF is better for any number of reasons, they come back to this one point.

You don’t want to implement this feature, that’s fine, say you don’t (I personally don’t use multiple contexts either).  Standby OF as the excellant product that it is, and for those that work differently let them choose other products.  but don’t justify it by saying people who want it are somehow wrong…

Mike

02.05.13 5:24 AM

Hi Again!

Please support Pomodoro time management technique! - Time steps!

Martin Xorpi Fraňo

02.05.13 6:22 AM
Team Member

@Beth: Thanks for the great examples! It’s certainly true that some things aren’t easily expressed by assigning a single context to things. I’m just not sure whether assigning multiple contexts truly helps—and we’ve heard from many customers that being forced to pick the most meaningful context is a helpful constraint.

  For the first example, would it work if (in some future version of OmniFocus) you could create two subtasks, “Ask Anna where to send a widget” and “Ask Bob where to send a widget” and indicated that only one of those subtasks needed to be completed for the main task to be considered complete? Then you could assign one to your Anna context, one to your Bob context, and whichever gets done first would complete the whole task.

  I’ve been thinking about your second example since an OmniFocus gathering several years ago, and I understand the attraction to programming the system with that information. But how would you actually get those tasks done? Introducing multiple contexts to solve that problem seems like it would lead down another rabbit hole of telling OmniFocus every combination of contexts which might apply at any moment. Would I really tell OmniFocus that I’m in the break room and that I’ve encountered Anna (and Bob and Charlene) before the moment passes? By picking Anna or Break Room as the single context, I may see things I can’t do at the moment when I’m in that primary context—but the more times I do that, the more I’m likely to remember to act on that combination of contexts when they actually are together (without having to constantly update OmniFocus with every possible combination of contexts available to me as different people walk through the break room).

@Craig: The upside to purchasing late in the OmniFocus 1 development cycle is that you started out with a very mature app. (Those who purchased OmniFocus early in the cycle didn’t have syncing, or perspectives, or many other features that you started out with on day one.) The downside is, of course, that the next major version was that much closer—but I hope that you’ll find it’s a worthwhile investment.

@Bill: Here’s a link to the signup page for the private test.

@Mike: I’m sorry, I certainly didn’t mean to suggest that other approaches were wrong! I personally find a lot of value in breaking down tasks into subtasks, and find that the single context limitation is a good guide for prompting me through it and knowing when to stop. OmniFocus was designed with this approach in mind, and it doesn’t always occur to people so I thought it was worth mentioning—but that doesn’t mean it’s the only way for people to get their work done! What matters at the end of the day is that each of us use whatever technique is most effective for us—and if another tool is a better fit for someone’s workflow than OmniFocus is, then I think it makes sense to help them find that tool rather than advocating OmniFocus. (I think it’s a great tool, but I’m glad that there are other great tools out there!)

@Martin: Are you suggesting we build a timeboxing timer directly into some future version of OmniFocus? (I assume you’ve already seen the writeups by Kourosh Dini and Asian Efficiency on integrating OmniFocus with the Pomodoro technique?)

Ken Case

02.05.13 8:45 AM

What’s with all the different version. At the end of the day. This developer are greedy.

Weman

02.05.13 1:21 PM

I hope team collaboration is coming! I’m looking forward to the update. I find myself using my ipad or iphone more often due to the interface. ... but I am still holding out hope for team GTDing. :)

Thanks for great products!

Ray

02.05.13 2:29 PM

The interface of OF2 looks good. Like Gjermund, I’m glad that estimated time will be supported. I really really really hope though that also Total time of a selection of actions will be integrated, without having to use some AppleScript.

FrankV

02.05.13 3:29 PM

Are the bugs with editing the notes within each task (append and prepend etc.) fixed in applescript?  There are easy ways to work with metadata tags via applescript, but the bug in OmniFocus 1 note editing in applescript squashes that possibility.  I gave up a number of generations ago trying to make it work- it’d be wonderful to hear it’s been fixed!

OmniFocus2 looks quite interesting, and I appreciate the upgrade policies mentioned here.  It has been interesting to see how things have come along since the Kinkless days. :)  I too would love to see Pomodoro’s or even habit tasks that can be tracked with accomplishment via a Seinfeldian like view or bubbles or tomatoes completed per task.  “Focused Time” tracking could be useful instead. i.e., when the pomodoro or work-dash ala Merlin Mann has been completed, rack up the total time into the current task’s “Focused Time”- which goes along with “OmniFocus” quite well. ;)  [if you do this, please add applescript triggers for the pomodoro times! we could do so much with that!]

AllenH

02.07.13 1:46 AM

Amazing… Can’t wait.. I hope they add me to the beta testing for this..

Thnx,

Pashmeen

02.07.13 9:58 AM

No mention of iCloud support anywhere… I kept using OF waiting for OF2 because I figured they will want to make us buy it again to get iCloud functionality but now I see they want us to buy it again WITHOUT even adding iCloud? Why would I do this? Such an inflated price and still no iCloud? And adding a “pro” version? I thought Omnifocus cost so damn much because it was already “pro”? Hell, I can switch to a dozen less than 10$ apps that do more. Screw these guys.

Qiao

02.07.13 12:08 PM

Qiao,

If you look again, Omni has something better than iCloud: OmniPresence. There are many reasons to avoid iCloud, such as malicious remote wipe. With OmniPresence, you have the option of maintaining your own cloud store, or using one provided by Omnigroup.

David

02.07.13 1:04 PM

Hi Ken,

Thanks for your response to me earlier.

@David (02.01.13 1:49 PM): We don’t plan to extend that license, but I’ll talk with the team and we’ll see if we can find another solution to your problem.

I reached out to customer support on this issue. Any chance I could get in on the early beta for the Standard edition? Or another solution? I am just hoping to not lose access to OmniFocus on my mac while I wait for OF2 Standard.

David

David

02.07.13 1:19 PM
Team Member

Sorry for the confusion, Qiao! iCloud is great for syncing simple documents or media files, but OmniFocus stores data in a more complex format. Specifically, it stores information in a relational database; as other developers have discovered, the programming interfaces Apple made available to sync database info through iCloud aren’t as well developed and don’t always work as expected.

We spent a calendar year working with Apple to make sure they knew about these issues, and we don’t doubt that they’ll solve them eventually. The remaining issues are not things we can fix on our end, though.

If it helps to have confirmation from some additional sources, this article from Macworld does a good job summing up the current situation.

Regarding OmniFocus 2 Pro - that edition isn’t really something we’re “adding”. Pro lives at the same price point that OmniFocus 1 did and carries forward the all the features of that release, while also adding new ones. (We did experiment with some promotional pricing on OmniFocus last summer, but aside from that, OmniFocus 1 has always cost $79.99.)

OmniFocus 2 Standard is actually the new price point; that edition achieves the lower price point by removing some features that were present in v1. Our experience with the iPad app showed us that a lot of folks will do just fine without those features, so we’d like to give those folks a (previously unavailable) option of paying less and doing without them. We’ll actually make less, not more, money by offering Standard, in other words. (Upgrading from 1 to 2 Standard costs half what it costs to upgrade to 2 Pro.)

I hope that makes things more understandable!

Brian

02.07.13 1:30 PM

When Start Omnifocus 2 Private Test ? :)
I hope soon !

Eric

02.07.13 2:43 PM

What will the hardware requirements be? I’m running 10.7.5 on a 2007 2.2 Intel Core 2 Duo (2007-vintage MacBook) and I’m already “off the list” for Mountain Lion. Will I be able to run OF2?

Grandin

02.07.13 3:21 PM

I cannot wait for this application! I’ve recently been using OmniFocus, and it’s helping immensely. I’ve compared it with Things, and there’s simply no comparison. I need a program that like OmniFocus. And now that OF 2 is coming out, I’m amped! The application looks gorgeous, cleaner, and I love the bigger check boxes and the clean sidebar. Thanks Omni Group. :-)

Michael Weinstoc

02.07.13 3:55 PM

Version 2 looks great!  The unified side-bar will help those of us that just want one screen to do it all.  The month long forecast will really help with getting the job done over a more useful period of time.

My only concern (Liz mentioned in the presentation that not all features were able to be shown, so my only comment may not be applicable) is that you leave the “note” aspect of the Mac version as is.  It functions very well and allows attachments and photos to be mixed in with the text and in full context.  I understand why this can’t be done in iOS but in the Mac it is necessary as part of the “heavy lifting” we rely on it to do.

If you have used Omni Focus for any length of time, the price is not even close to the value.  Thank you!

Jim Parsons

02.07.13 4:30 PM

I’m currently running OmniFocus on a mixture of 10.6.8, 10.7.5 and 10.8.2 Macs, plus an iPad 2.  I would hate to miss out on OmniFocus 2 due to Mac OS X limitations.

Please, please support our workhorse Macs along side the sleek new ones.

Ward Clark

02.07.13 5:33 PM

Perspective is probably one of the least appreciated features of OmniFocus.  To me the app lives and dies by Perspective - it puts the “Focus” in OmniFocus.  Any help in improving this aspect to OmniFocus is a real benefit to heavy users like myself.  I do like having my perspectives along to top row and I can click between them to see different views on my actions.  I would be lost without this so I hope this remains available.  Is there any enhancement in this?

Michael

02.07.13 6:38 PM

Another vote for multiple contexts!

I figure it’s too late in the process to integrate this feature. But I’ve been using OF for years, and I still long for this feature. I use the single context approach and it works ok, but I know well that I would benefit more from multiple contexts/tags. We are intelligent people who can exercise restraint with this feature and forcing the limitation upon the user is not always necessary. It’s actually somewhat frustrating (from a user standpoint). If the foundation upon which OF has been built does not allow this to feature to be built in (or built in easily or economically), then so be it. But if it is feasible to build this feature in, then please consider it more seriously and give it priority.

It would be interesting to know how many users would jump ship if a competitor emerged with all the capabilities/niceties of OF plus multiple contexts/tags.

Other than that gripe, I do think OF is the best software in this category, and I’m really looking forward to the updated UI! Thanks for your hard work.

Mark

02.07.13 7:55 PM

Well, came across this trying to figure out whether to install my copy of OmniFocus or my copy of Things for my next run at achieving self-organization. This answered that question nicely. OmniFocus 2 looks great!

Geo

02.07.13 10:59 PM

I am another voice for adding multiple context/tags.  I understand the rationale for a single context.

I also think single context is an era that is quickly coming to a close.  There are many activities involving multiple context/tags.  This is one reason I have seriously looked at Things. 

You mentioned reaching a broader audience.  Look at how the broader audience uses technology.  They are not thinking in terms of a single context but rather is a group mentality.  This is where you will gain more users and a broader audience. 

I use OmniFocus not just for “work” related projects.  But also like many for Shopping, for helping my kids with homework reminders, for vacation ideas, etc.  I like others see the that in these cases multiple contexts/tags are needed.

David

02.07.13 11:19 PM

This looks great.  I’m a huge fan of OmniFocus and now with the calendar integration I’ll only need one app open.

Looking forward to trying out the new version.

Simon

simon

02.08.13 4:50 AM

Thanks for the encouraging feedback about “Project Templates”. Please, please do take your time to get it right. Here’s how I’d like ‘em:

Build Template:
1) Create New Template view
2) Add tasks
3) Set task due/start dates as references not actual dates
EG: task 1 due -4w, task 2 due -2w, task 10 due +2w
I would also find it useful to say “friday before” or “monday after” versus fixed numbers in some situations
4) Set contexts
5) Save

Make Projects
1) New Project from Template
2) Name project
3) Set project due date
4) OF creates all tasks and sets the absolute dates

I’ve been told there’s scripts for 1.X but I haven’t explored this and would favor integration anyhow. Thanks

Sean

02.08.13 3:04 PM

Hello again!

I commented before but forgot commenting about my toughts on sharing projects.

Is it only me, or is sharing a project with a friend/wife/secretary or anyone - A GOOD IDEA?
I´ve missed that many times on my current version of OF1. Do we have to wait to OF3?

Yes, it is a personal task management program, but if I want my secretary to do stuff and she´s got OF, and if we shared a project called “Tasks for secretary”, I wouldnt have to send it to her by email or anything else.

Evernote makes this very easy, and this should be OmniG´s priority too. Works good on OmniPlan, and should be possible on OF…. am I repeating myself? Sorry! :)

And first impression of the interface: Still need som pimping to get more sexy and appealing. The iPad app looks beautiful, why not use the same kind of look? Not grey. Like mr Steve Jobs would do: Make sure it´s appealing to artists (like myself) not only computer- nerds…

Another comment: Review in OF2, YEAH - hallelujah! but.. wait a minute… we already have that function, right? At least I have it on my OF1.

Still cant wait to try OF2, then one day OF3 with shared projects/tasks :)

 

Gjermund Sivertsen

02.08.13 4:19 PM

Gjermund,

yes, OF1 has had a review feature since FCS.  Apparently many people prefer the look of the iPad’s review mode (even though it is significantly less capable than that on the Mac), so something like the iPad’s review mode is being brought to the Mac.  I hope that none of the existing capability is lost in the process! 

As for sharing projects, OmniFocus was built as a single-user application.  Work would need to be done to the sync mechanism to make it completely reliable in the face of multiple users possibly editing the same items.  OmniPlan handles that by making you resolve the conflict; OmniFocus does it by just taking the most recent change to that action item and discarding the rest.  The assumption is that even though you may have multiple OmniFocus clients (Mac, iPad, iPhone, etc.) that you are only making changes on one of them at a time.  That assumption breaks down for a shared project with your secretary — if you’re changing a date on an action, while she’s updating a note attached to that action, someone’s change will be silently dropped.

Bill

02.08.13 7:26 PM

It seems that the underlying database structure is not changed. This is a good thing for users who don’t have Mountain Lion. They can use OmniFocus 2 on any Mountain Lion computers as they wish. But they can still use OmniFocus 1 on pre-Mountain Lion computers.

I have a MacBook Pro 17” running Mountain Lion and a white MacBook 13” running Lion. I know that I can always work on OF2 on my MBP 17” at work and sync the data to OmniPresence. When I am at home, I can always use OF1 and work on projects without worries.

At least, that is what I am deducing when I hear that the database hasn’t changed. If OF for iPhone and iPad will sync with OmniPresence, then I am guessing that OF1 should still be able to work too.

This should give users a bit of extra time until they are able to upgrade to a Mountain Lion-capable computer in the future.

Wilson Ng

02.08.13 7:30 PM

Short version:

I love you guys. Please add notifications for start/available dates as @Beth suggested.

Long version:

Ken! I’ve loved you guys ever since the 2007 sneaky peak days, and OF continues to burn it’s image into my mbp retina display, literally. Yay for retina displays! :( Ugh. Don’t even get me started.

Of course, that’s not your problem. I was just trying to be witty about how much I use OF!

OF is pure GTD. Thus, I applaud you for staying true to singular contexts (please don’t hurt me multiple-context-wanters). While I too, can see the need for them, the constraint DOES make one think “where will I REALLY get this done.” I personally like that.

Now that I’ve sufficiently buttered you up, please implement @Beth’s other comment regarding due/start dates. I’ll email the omni email to make it official, but to add to google’s SEO, here it is:

I would be flabbergasted if OF notified me (via notification center) when an action item becomes available via available dates (the artist previously known as “start dates”). 

While forecast mode will sort of handle this natively—thanks SO much for bringing that over btw—not all action items are created equal, and some need more lead time than others.

@Beth said it best, “If OF notifies me about an action, it’s already too late.”

Maybe start date notifications would annoy some people. So perhaps an option to enable/disable those in preferences? 

Sure, one could do a work around like: start taxes—due Mar 1, 2013

But again, like @Beth said, the reminder going off means you’re already late… late on starting. Hope that makes sense. Sorry for being such a windbag. See short version above. Or read @Beth’s comment. She said it way better :) Adios for now!

PS: This post is SEOed for parentheses and @Beth unintentionally. 

Christian

02.09.13 2:56 PM

Bring back the project status badges (with colors)!

The new OF2 right justification of the project status indicators—while it “looks” cool—makes the user work. They must draw straight, imaginary lines with their eyes to the right to see which projects are paused, dropped, or completed.

I realized this just now while doing a HUGE review in OF1 (in anticipation of OF2), and realized how USEABLE the current badge indicators are.

Vote me up if you agree! :)

Christian

02.09.13 3:08 PM

Will any speed/performance improvements be realized in OF2?

I take David Allen literally and capture 100% of the stuff in my brain. Thus I have hundreds of projects in various states. Currently, on my MBPR (SSD), when moving projects around, I get the “pinwheel of death” upon move. Wait. Maybe “pinwheel of delay” is more appropriate; nothing dies when the pinwheel comes up. Well, except for a little piece of my soul. :)

Christian

02.09.13 3:13 PM

Christian,

OmniFocus already does start notifications, via growl.  By default, they don’t stick around on your screen, but that’s easily changed in the growl preferences.  Hard to imagine why they would not bring that along on a move to the notification center.

Bill

02.10.13 2:32 AM

I have not been using OmniFocus that long but really love it.  I really like the iphone app and use it 90% of the time.  I have tried almost every task app out there and tried to make them work but hated all of the iphone apps to many clicks to get a item into the list with all the details.  I totally agree you need a degree in OF for the mac app even after watching David Sparks screencast, so glad you are making the interface so much easier to use!!! Can not wait for the upgrade.

Would love for something that I could use to sync Windows since that what I use at work.  However for now what I do is open icloud reminders and add task to that list all day on my windows machine at work and when I open OF they are all in my inbox so at home or on my ios device I sort them to where they need to go.  Not perfect but working just the same.

One thing that I really would like the OF2 to have is when I have a task due on a certain date would love for the ability to mark it as all day instead of a specific time.  I really dislike that I have to put a fake time in.  That is my biggest issue.

Tracy G

02.11.13 12:20 PM

I got locked out of OF today because the license expired. I own it on my iPhone but I’d like to know how to proceed. I want to buy it, but I don’t see that I have a good option at the moment.

Help?

Charles Barbour

02.11.13 2:07 PM

+1 @Charles Barbour

I am waiting on OF2 Standard.

David Kennedy

02.12.13 9:47 AM
Team Member

@charles and @david Sorry for the confusion! We do eventually plan to make a $40 edition of OmniFocus available, but we are creating that edition by removing features that are in the currently shipping product. If folks purchase OmniFocus 1, they can use that now and get a free update to OmniFocus 2 when it ships. We have discussed possibly giving folks the option of upgrading to version 2 Standard if they choose to do so; by default, folks will get 2 Pro.

However, we don’t plan to reduce the price of OmniFocus 1 to $40 - that would induce buyers’ remorse in a bunch of folks who are currently happy with what they’ve already purchased. We don’t want to do that - if you’re wanting to purchase OmniFocus 2 Standard, you’ll need to wait until it ships and use the iOS editions in the meantime.

Brian

02.12.13 10:44 AM

I’d like to suggest the one GTD feature that has kept me from adopting what is otherwise excellent product - a PROCESS feature that enables you to process Inbox items one at a time.

One of the key parts of GTD is that you collect all of your thoughts into your Inbasket and then during the “Process” stage, have those collected thoughts present themselves to your mind one at a time.  That way, you can focus on clarifying what that thought means to you.

Implementation-wise I see a “Process” button working something like this

FOR each item in INBOX
  - Display the original item, and two options for Actionable (yes vs no)
  - If user clicks ‘yes’ show a “Successful outcome” field as well as “Next Action” field. The later field is pre-filled with the original thought but gives but is a place for the user to re-define the a clear next action out of the thought. E.g a thought ‘ddl q3 report’ becomes “download, review and comment on Q2 sales report” in next action field. Of course contexts, times, priorities etc are all set at this point
  - If user clicks “no” the give them options to delete, put on “Someday” (plus tickle date) or make it a reference item
NEXT item


It would also be great to have a way to create GOALS to which projects are attached.

Regards

Akong

02.13.13 12:46 PM

You mentioned that people purchasing OF1 through your online store will receive the free upgrade to OF2 Pro when it comes out.  Does this also apply to people purchasing OF1 through the Mac App Store?

Yuji

02.13.13 11:28 PM
Team Member

@Yuji - check out the final section of our Plans for 2013 post for a full explanation, but yes, customers that purchase on the Mac App Store will have access to the upgrade pricing. Note that the license for v2 will come from our store rather than Apple’s, though. Hope that helps!

Brian

02.14.13 1:06 PM

@Brian - Thanks, but I was asking specifically about the *free* upgrade to Omni 2 if you buy Omni 1 right now.  That blog post says “upgrade pricing”, which (I think) is $19.99 for Standard and $39.99 for Pro.  It seems like the only way to get the free upgrade is to purchase from your online store?

Yuji

02.14.13 9:53 PM

@Yuji, Brian’s answer is correct.  If you buy now, you get a free upgrade to OmniFocus 2.  However, regardless of which product you buy, you’ll get OmniFocus 2 from the Omni store, not the Mac App Store.  If having a Mac App Store version is important to you, I believe you’ll want to wait until you can buy OmniFocus 2 from the Mac App Store.

Bill

02.15.13 12:01 AM
Team Member

@Yuji, @Bill, I just want to clarify—Starting on February 1st, 2013, folks who purchase from our online store will get a free upgrade to OmniFocus 2. We are unable to offer this for Mac App Store purchases because we have no way of verifying when OmniFocus is purchased there.

So if you are interested in the free update, please purchase from our store!

Troy

02.15.13 9:34 AM

Troy,

I remembered Ken stating this:

“But we’re in the process of updating our store so that you’ll be able to register your Mac App Store apps to get a discounted upgrade price when you buy an update directly from us.”

and concluded that you would use that same facility to offer a free upgrade for those buying in the “buy OF1, get OF2 for free” period.  That seems to give you all the pieces you would need to do so (once you’ve updated your store as described); is there a reason why you apparently aren’t going to do so?

Bill

02.15.13 3:36 PM
Team Member

@Bill For the discounted upgrades, all we have to do is verify that you purchased from the Mac App Store. It’s pretty easy to do that in an automated manner. There’s a file we can look at and validate on the Macs with a Mac App Store copy of our apps installed.

For the free ones, though, we need to know when the purchase occurred. Unfortunately, the only way we’ve found to do that is to have people send in a copy of their iTunes receipt or a screenshot of their Purchase History screen. The file we examine/verify to provide the discount doesn’t include any information about when the transaction occurred - it just proves that one did.

We’re not completely happy with this situation, so stay tuned. But if we do extend the free upgrades to Mac App Store customers, it’s going to take us a while to process all those requests even if we throw the entire sales and support teams at the project.

Upshot: best case scenario, folks who want to be sure that they’ll get a free upgrade - and want it soonest - will be best served by purchasing through our store.

Brian

02.15.13 4:33 PM

Hope you will add Russian language support.

Andrey

02.16.13 1:56 PM

So glad there’s finally a major update to OF. Would love to see a couple of things:

- More tactile/natural interface like Things or The Hit List
- The ability to tag actions

At the moment I think people are jumping between these three apps because each one does something well.

I’d say THL could have been great, but the support and release cycle is dreadful.

Things is a bit too simplistic for my needs.

OF was actually my first choice, but I left it because it couldn’t do tagging and also I wanted something with a more natural/tactile feel to unleash my creativity.

Overall, I really think OF has the potential to be the outright winner, it just needs to nail the points above. Then I will never stray again… probably!

Rick

02.16.13 5:49 PM

On the proposed system requirements: I would very much appreciate if OF2 would run on Snow Leopard. I’m on an iMac5,1 and not ready yet to move onto a new desktop computer, so I’m unable to run Mountain Lion. I wouldn’t even be able to participate in the beta release!

Nicole

02.17.13 3:59 AM

Hello,

I’d like to ask you whether there will be possibility to Flag using mouse directly in main view as it was in older version of OF. On available pictures it looks like it is only posible via “Inspector” window.

Othrr then that it looks fantastic.

Thank you,

Jan

Jan

02.20.13 7:48 AM

Thank you and I have been so looking forward to this update. I do wonder how you are gonna organize due tasks in the forecast view. Can you order them by project or context? It will be great if these tasks can be organized in customizable ways because there are many tasks due each day.

Thank you,

Yiling

Yiling

02.23.13 11:28 AM

I like this very much, and thank you for the price.  I find the desktop version still allows me to create complex projects much faster than I can on the iPad version.  And the iPhone nope, I use it more for clearing tasks then entering them, though a quick task to the inbox is good for that “Hey I need you to _____” requests.

Now if you brought in a Windows version into the fold, I would be excited about that also.  Even if it had the look and feel of version 1, I would be onboard for that.  Make my project planning at work go so much smoother.  Would not have to wait until I got home when I had a brain storm session to plan.

Stephen

02.28.13 8:08 AM

this makes me very happy.

thank you.

Abe

03.01.13 9:46 AM

This is wonderful news!

Honestly, I’ve been hesitant to adopt OF because I was concerned I’d get stuck “between versions”, making the learning curve even more difficult.

OF2 should certainly put an end to my analysis paralysis!

Spencer

03.02.13 11:06 PM
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