From concierge at exidia.com Sat Mar 1 10:06:21 2008 From: concierge at exidia.com (Archibal Singleton) Date: Sat Mar 1 10:06:30 2008 Subject: [OT] MacBook Pro 17'' HD - Is the text too small for coding? In-Reply-To: <81BFA8E8-AD43-48C8-B5F9-698C875B34EB@webappz.com> References: <81BFA8E8-AD43-48C8-B5F9-698C875B34EB@webappz.com> Message-ID: <6F4DC3A7-3570-4520-94A8-011BC0A0933A@exidia.com> On 27 Feb 2008, at 15:31, Gaastra Dennis - WO Lists wrote: > Hi Miguel > > Get the 1920x1200! We have used them since June last year and are > were happy. +1 I bought one in early December, which I currently use as my only computer. Didn't have to change the font size in Eclipse. My standard font for coding is PanicSans 12 pt. (from Coda) Cheers, = tmk = From arroz at guiamac.com Sun Mar 2 05:25:55 2008 From: arroz at guiamac.com (Miguel Arroz) Date: Sun Mar 2 05:26:04 2008 Subject: [OT] MacBook Pro 17'' HD - Is the text too small for coding? In-Reply-To: <6F4DC3A7-3570-4520-94A8-011BC0A0933A@exidia.com> References: <81BFA8E8-AD43-48C8-B5F9-698C875B34EB@webappz.com> <6F4DC3A7-3570-4520-94A8-011BC0A0933A@exidia.com> Message-ID: <15F8D7AD-26A2-4CA5-B1AD-AE3154235396@guiamac.com> Hi! Thanks for your replies! Based on this and on some posts on Mac foruns around, I ordered the HD! :) Yours Miguel Arroz On 2008/03/01, at 18:06, Archibal Singleton wrote: > > On 27 Feb 2008, at 15:31, Gaastra Dennis - WO Lists wrote: > >> Hi Miguel >> >> Get the 1920x1200! We have used them since June last year and are >> were happy. > > +1 > > I bought one in early December, which I currently use as my only > computer. > Didn't have to change the font size in Eclipse. > My standard font for coding is PanicSans 12 pt. (from Coda) > > Cheers, > > = tmk = > _______________________________________________ > WebObjects-talk mailing list > WebObjects-talk@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/webobjects-talk Miguel Arroz http://www.terminalapp.net http://www.ipragma.com From patrick at onestep.co.uk Thu Mar 6 07:17:53 2008 From: patrick at onestep.co.uk (Patrick Middleton) Date: Thu Mar 6 07:17:58 2008 Subject: OT: MS IIS 6 virtual server configuration Message-ID: <722E8FE9-4625-47D3-8A82-D0B41F2D2FDA@onestep.co.uk> Really nothing to do with WebObjects.... this is just the most appropriate of the lists to which I subscribe for me to ask this question. Somebody I know has written a .net-based fancy content management system for a website that is currently hosted by an ISP with an all- UNIX hosting farm. This is not a problem; we can get the DNS A record for the one FQDN for the webserver changed, to leave mail etc unaffected. All we need to do is ask for this to point it at this someone's designated webserver. Except I can't see the required content there. I can run a minimal HTTP 1.1 protocol exchange to any other IP address using telnet and get back the content I expect. He's running MS IIS 6. He insists that its all there and ought to be working, just as soon as I get the DNS A record changed. Is anybody still reading that's familiar enough with IIS virtual server configuration (ie, in apachespeak, virtual host configuration) to suggest why he's insisting that the DNS change has to be made for this to work? It's possible that he doesn't know how HTTP 1.1 works; it's possible he thinks there's some quirk to IIS so that the machine has to be able to resolve the hosted FQDN as itself, and it's even possible that there actually is some quirk to IIS so that the machine has to be able to resolve the hosted FQDN as itself. -- Patrick From patrick at onestep.co.uk Thu Mar 6 07:27:15 2008 From: patrick at onestep.co.uk (Patrick Middleton) Date: Thu Mar 6 07:27:19 2008 Subject: OT: MS IIS 6 virtual server configuration In-Reply-To: References: <722E8FE9-4625-47D3-8A82-D0B41F2D2FDA@onestep.co.uk> Message-ID: On 6 Mar 2008, at 15:19, Cornelius Jaeger wrote: > have you tried adding the dns/ip to the hosts file? > > regards > > cornelius Not sure what you mean... On my Mac from which I'm doing testing? No, and I don't need to. I can use telnet with IP addresses, pass in the desired site's FQDN as the HTTP Host header. On the IIS6 windowbox? It's not mine and I have no access to it, other than HTTP to port 80. Does that machine have a hosts file which IIS consults and which is required to match? Hmmm. Don't need that with Apache virtual hosting. -- Patrick From patrick at onestep.co.uk Thu Mar 6 07:43:20 2008 From: patrick at onestep.co.uk (Patrick Middleton) Date: Thu Mar 6 07:43:24 2008 Subject: OT: MS IIS 6 virtual server configuration In-Reply-To: <162B3471-532F-4181-99CF-2F35BD31F7CF@visualfood.ch> References: <722E8FE9-4625-47D3-8A82-D0B41F2D2FDA@onestep.co.uk> <162B3471-532F-4181-99CF-2F35BD31F7CF@visualfood.ch> Message-ID: <6A508109-4653-4EAE-9E2B-4BDB1C72EFB3@onestep.co.uk> On 6 Mar 2008, at 15:37, Cornelius Jaeger wrote: > hi patrick > > On 06.03.2008, at 16:27, Patrick Middleton wrote: > >> Not sure what you mean... >> >> On my Mac from which I'm doing testing? No, and I don't need to. >> I can use telnet with IP addresses, pass in the desired site's >> FQDN as the HTTP Host header. >> >> On the IIS6 windowbox? It's not mine and I have no access to it, >> other than HTTP to port 80. Does that machine have a hosts file >> which IIS consults and which is required to match? Hmmm. Don't >> need that with Apache virtual hosting. > > depends on what you are running. > the wo adaptor for example is very finicky when it can't resolve > it's own FQDN, which can be the case if the server is on a virtual > lan, or has several interfaces with different ip's is using > multihoming etc. > so you don't need to make the dns match the ip of the server you > can take the server's current ip and map it using the hosts file > this article is actually really good and short: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hosts_file > > good luck > > cornelius > OK I've got you ... the Windows server does have a hosts file and services may consult it. Thanks for the tip. -- Patrick From baiss at comcast.net Sat Mar 8 20:31:33 2008 From: baiss at comcast.net (Baiss Magnusson) Date: Sat Mar 8 20:31:38 2008 Subject: State of WO Java Client Message-ID: <69482922-F06C-430A-92A7-CCDE47AEE1C7@comcast.net> > Subject: Re: State of WO Java Client > To: Development WebObjects > > Your templates are converted and posted! http:// > wiki.objectstyle.org/confluence/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=2655245 > > What's the word on JBND's WO 5.4.1 compatibility? Any issues that you > know of? > > Dave Any thoughts from out there on running DTJC on the iPhone. I spent three months with DTJC and although the project went nowhere it was interesting to experience the native client feel. Sun announced they were going to make a J2ME for the iPhone. Objective-C might be more fun but that seems too much of a stretch. ---- Baiss Eric Magnusson From tuparev at mac.com Sun Mar 9 01:59:49 2008 From: tuparev at mac.com (Georg Tuparev) Date: Sun Mar 9 01:59:55 2008 Subject: State of WO Java Client In-Reply-To: <69482922-F06C-430A-92A7-CCDE47AEE1C7@comcast.net> References: <69482922-F06C-430A-92A7-CCDE47AEE1C7@comcast.net> Message-ID: <60BCDA9F-8A50-4335-8DAD-6D105A00C398@mac.com> On Mar 9, 2008, at 5:31 AM, Baiss Magnusson wrote: > >> Subject: Re: State of WO Java Client >> To: Development WebObjects >> >> Your templates are converted and posted! http://wiki.objectstyle.org/confluence/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=2655245 >> >> What's the word on JBND's WO 5.4.1 compatibility? Any issues that you >> know of? >> >> Dave > > > Any thoughts from out there on running DTJC on the iPhone. > > I spent three months with DTJC and although the project went nowhere > it was interesting to experience the native client feel. > > Sun announced they were going to make a J2ME for the iPhone. > > Objective-C might be more fun but that seems too much of a stretch. In contrary. It took me a bit longer then 2h to connect to one of our banking software systems. All ObjC/XML. No way one could achieve this in Java-Junk! my ?0.02 gt Georg Tuparev Tuparev Technologies Klipper 13 1186 VR Amstelveen The Netherlands Mobile: +31-6-55798196 From probert at os.ca Sun Mar 9 06:33:13 2008 From: probert at os.ca (Pascal Robert) Date: Sun Mar 9 07:33:16 2008 Subject: State of WO Java Client In-Reply-To: <60BCDA9F-8A50-4335-8DAD-6D105A00C398@mac.com> References: <69482922-F06C-430A-92A7-CCDE47AEE1C7@comcast.net> <60BCDA9F-8A50-4335-8DAD-6D105A00C398@mac.com> Message-ID: <2A55F937-9CE3-4C4D-86D1-9B8F06F20C55@os.ca> Le 08-03-09 ? 05:59, Georg Tuparev a ?crit : > > On Mar 9, 2008, at 5:31 AM, Baiss Magnusson wrote: > >> >>> Subject: Re: State of WO Java Client >>> To: Development WebObjects >>> >>> Your templates are converted and posted! http://wiki.objectstyle.org/confluence/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=2655245 >>> >>> What's the word on JBND's WO 5.4.1 compatibility? Any issues that >>> you >>> know of? >>> >>> Dave >> >> >> Any thoughts from out there on running DTJC on the iPhone. >> >> I spent three months with DTJC and although the project went >> nowhere it was interesting to experience the native client feel. >> >> Sun announced they were going to make a J2ME for the iPhone. >> >> Objective-C might be more fun but that seems too much of a stretch. > > In contrary. It took me a bit longer then 2h to connect to one of > our banking software systems. All ObjC/XML. No way one could achieve > this in Java-Junk! Speaking of, it seems the only way to put data on the iPhone is by using a Web service and using HTML 5 to store the data for offline access ? From tuparev at mac.com Mon Mar 10 01:25:36 2008 From: tuparev at mac.com (Georg Tuparev) Date: Mon Mar 10 01:25:41 2008 Subject: State of WO Java Client In-Reply-To: <2A55F937-9CE3-4C4D-86D1-9B8F06F20C55@os.ca> References: <69482922-F06C-430A-92A7-CCDE47AEE1C7@comcast.net> <60BCDA9F-8A50-4335-8DAD-6D105A00C398@mac.com> <2A55F937-9CE3-4C4D-86D1-9B8F06F20C55@os.ca> Message-ID: <8BB0C628-299A-4729-96CB-865C05EF879A@mac.com> On Mar 9, 2008, at 2:33 PM, Pascal Robert wrote: > > Le 08-03-09 ? 05:59, Georg Tuparev a ?crit : > >> >> On Mar 9, 2008, at 5:31 AM, Baiss Magnusson wrote: >> >>> >>>> Subject: Re: State of WO Java Client >>>> To: Development WebObjects >>>> >>>> Your templates are converted and posted! http://wiki.objectstyle.org/confluence/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=2655245 >>>> >>>> What's the word on JBND's WO 5.4.1 compatibility? Any issues that >>>> you >>>> know of? >>>> >>>> Dave >>> >>> >>> Any thoughts from out there on running DTJC on the iPhone. >>> >>> I spent three months with DTJC and although the project went >>> nowhere it was interesting to experience the native client feel. >>> >>> Sun announced they were going to make a J2ME for the iPhone. >>> >>> Objective-C might be more fun but that seems too much of a stretch. >> >> In contrary. It took me a bit longer then 2h to connect to one of >> our banking software systems. All ObjC/XML. No way one could >> achieve this in Java-Junk! > > Speaking of, it seems the only way to put data on the iPhone is by > using a Web service and using HTML 5 to store the data for offline > access ? I believe there are more ways, but hey, I played just 2-3 hours! Amazing I could do anything.... cheers Georg Tuparev Tuparev Technologies Klipper 13 1186 VR Amstelveen The Netherlands Mobile: +31-6-55798196 From pierce at twinforces.com Mon Mar 10 10:33:05 2008 From: pierce at twinforces.com (Pierce T. Wetter III) Date: Mon Mar 10 11:00:46 2008 Subject: State of WO Java Client In-Reply-To: <8BB0C628-299A-4729-96CB-865C05EF879A@mac.com> References: <69482922-F06C-430A-92A7-CCDE47AEE1C7@comcast.net> <60BCDA9F-8A50-4335-8DAD-6D105A00C398@mac.com> <2A55F937-9CE3-4C4D-86D1-9B8F06F20C55@os.ca> <8BB0C628-299A-4729-96CB-865C05EF879A@mac.com> Message-ID: >> >> Speaking of, it seems the only way to put data on the iPhone is by >> using a Web service and using HTML 5 to store the data for offline >> access ? > > > I believe there are more ways, but hey, I played just 2-3 hours! > Amazing I could do anything.... If you look at the frameworks they are allowing you to use, Sync Services seems to be missing. Which implies that the only way to get data onto the phone is to have it pull from the local network via WiFi. Kind of annoying personally, because the #1 application I wish to write for the iPhone is a client for my To-Do program (http://www.twinforces.com/frictionless ) and building a webserver into my client program seems overkill. I'm already supporting Sync Services in my Leopard app already, so doing it for the iPhone version would be a natural. Hmm...perhaps someone could write a generic interface to sync services via a server. If it was widely adopted as a solution by 3rd parties, then your iPhone could sync with 3rd party software automatically when your phone was on your local network, but not with Apple software. That would be pretty funny. Weirdly, they pretty much tell you to use sqllite to store your data, but then they omitted CoreData. So every app will have to do its own mapping to/from sqllite. Additionally, though you can conveniently pull data using NSURL into the phone, you can't have a background process and its not clear how you can push something as small as an notification (so you can then pull in the data using NSURL) to the phone. That's all if you're running in the sandbox. With Apple's approval you can break out of the sandbox but its not clear how you do that. Of course, all that will be fine for people writing games or smart front ends to web sites, but its kind of limiting for me because the 2 apps I want to write for the iPhone don't seem to be possible. So I was slightly disappointed. As for writing a D2JC app, I would think that the appropriate thing for the iPhone would be a "Generic Java Client". That is, you write an iPhone app that can do java-client like stuff based on XML files it pulls from the server. Swing wouldn't make much sense on an iPhone. Pierce