From kieran_lists at mac.com Thu Sep 6 07:49:24 2007 From: kieran_lists at mac.com (Kieran Kelleher) Date: Thu Sep 6 07:49:27 2007 Subject: Testing omnigroup Message-ID: <1EBC3AB7-E84B-4791-999E-DA1A849A08EB@mac.com> Testing From bob at apple.com Sat Sep 8 11:58:21 2007 From: bob at apple.com (Bob Frank) Date: Sat Sep 8 11:58:42 2007 Subject: MEETING: Chicago CocoaHeads / CAWUG - launchd - Tuesday Sept. 11 6:00 pm Message-ID: <08996B24-7CEC-489B-972C-CE7BEBD9CF57@apple.com> IMPORTANT NOTES: Our October meeting will start at 7:00 instead of 6:00 on Tuesday October 9th We have a new mailing list URL: http://groups.google.com/group/cawug Email Address: cawug@googlegroups.com We are working on adding all of you -- if you receive a subscription confirmation note, please confirm. Or you can email here to subscribe immediately (you won't be double added): cawug-subscribe@googlegroups.com -------- Hi all, The Chicago CocoaHeads / Chicago Cocoa and WebObjects User Group (CAWUG) is holding our next meeting this coming Tuesday, September 11th, at 6:00 PM at the Apple Store on Michigan Ave. Agenda: - Introductions & Announcements - Dave Zarzycki on launchd (via Google video) - Special Guest: Q & A live with Dave Z. (barring any technical difficulties) - adjournment to O'Toole's When: Tuesday, September 11th, 6:00 PM Where: Apple Store Michigan Avenue 679 North Michigan Ave. (at the corner of Huron & Michigan Ave.) Chicago, IL 60611 http://maps.yahoo.com/maps_result? ed=gYbE5Op_0Tokf_p7h61dwjbWtjC2r1YehzWw&csz=60611 - Dave Zarzycki on launchd Recently Dave gave a presentation on launchd at Google which they recorded as a Google Tech Talk. Barring any technical difficulties, Dave will call in for a live Q & A session at the end of the presentation. Since time immemorial (or the advent of UNIX--pretty much the same thing), the init program ... all has been the first user-space program to run on Unix-like systems. As systems grew more complex, so did system initialization. The responsibilities of init grew multifold and its implementations diverged. Beginning with the "Tiger" version of Mac OS X, Apple introduced a powerful new way of system initialization: launchd. Launchd isn't just an init replacement though--it provides a powerful XML interface for defining when, where, and how programs should be invoked on OS X. In this talk, Dave, who developed launchd, will discuss the rationale behind launchd and how the program came to be. You will also learn about the many options launchd provides for defining the interaction between the operating system and your code, and how your code can be started automatically through launchd. Speaker: Dave Zarzycki Dave Zarzycki is responsible for helping teams across Apple design and integrate their technologies in the the mainline operating system. As a part of this role, he has developed a technology called "launchd" to aid those developers. - O'Tooles We will continue the discussion at our local watering hold Timothy O'Toole's at 622 Fairbanks (2 blocks east of the store). We also wish to thank the folks who run the theater space at the Apple store for letting us have our meetings there, and Jonathan 'Wolf' Rentzsch for hosting the new and revived CAWUG web site. Thanks all. Also, if you are working on a project and would like to talk about it briefly / promote it, I think it would be fun for people to hear about other people's projects. Please email me off line and you can talk at a future meeting or would like a book to review. Future meetings dates: 10/9/07 & 11/13/07 CAWUG Resources Web Site: http://www.cawug.org/ Google Site: http://groups.google.com/group/cawug RSS feed: http://www.cawug.org/rss.xml Mail list: http://groups.google.com/group/cawug iCal: http://ical.mac.com/chicagobob/ Chicago-CocoaHeads-CAWUG (view on the web) iCal: webcal://ical.mac.com/chicagobob/Chicago-CocoaHeads-CAWUG.ics (subscribe to in iCal) Cocoa Heads web site: http://cocoaheads.org/us/ChicagoIllinois/index.html Hope to see you at the meeting. -Bob From willscheidegger at mac.com Mon Sep 10 11:33:29 2007 From: willscheidegger at mac.com (Will Scheidegger) Date: Mon Sep 10 11:33:39 2007 Subject: 3rd party Jars with latest WO? Message-ID: I've used the Framework solution before to use 3rd party jars with my wo apps. But now that I want to do the same thing with a new Jar, I fail no matter what approach I'm taking. I've tried both these solutions: http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Programming:WebObjects/Web_Applications/ Development/Third_Party_Jars Can anyone tell me if it's just me or if this really does not work anymore? Thanks! -Will From lachlan.deck at gmail.com Mon Sep 10 14:35:00 2007 From: lachlan.deck at gmail.com (Lachlan Deck) Date: Mon Sep 10 14:35:08 2007 Subject: 3rd party Jars with latest WO? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <59C2B105-12FD-43C1-B2C0-9C25695FD637@gmail.com> Hi there, On 11/09/2007, at 4:33 AM, Will Scheidegger wrote: > I've used the Framework solution before to use 3rd party jars with > my wo apps. But now that I want to do the same thing with a new > Jar, I fail no matter what approach I'm taking. I've tried both > these solutions: > > http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Programming:WebObjects/ > Web_Applications/Development/Third_Party_Jars > > Can anyone tell me if it's just me or if this really does not work > anymore? Thanks! Probably you but, not having used Xcode for this purpose for some time, I couldn't be sure. You might like to see here also if you'd like to move over to WOLips. http://wiki.objectstyle.org/confluence/display/WOL/Tutorials with regards, -- Lachlan Deck From cheonghee at datasonic.com.my Mon Sep 10 19:53:01 2007 From: cheonghee at datasonic.com.my (Cheong Hee (DS)) Date: Mon Sep 10 19:54:21 2007 Subject: 3rd party Jars with latest WO? References: Message-ID: <000d01c7f41e$e59916c0$1800000a@CHNGXPH> What platform are you on? Is jar on development platform ok? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Will Scheidegger" To: "webobjects-dev Forms" Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 2:33 AM Subject: 3rd party Jars with latest WO? > I've used the Framework solution before to use 3rd party jars with my > wo apps. But now that I want to do the same thing with a new Jar, I > fail no matter what approach I'm taking. I've tried both these > solutions: > > http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Programming:WebObjects/Web_Applications/ > Development/Third_Party_Jars > > Can anyone tell me if it's just me or if this really does not work > anymore? Thanks! > > -Will > _______________________________________________ > WebObjects-dev mailing list > WebObjects-dev@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/webobjects-dev > From cjaeger at visualfood.ch Mon Sep 10 23:23:15 2007 From: cjaeger at visualfood.ch (Cornelius Jaeger) Date: Mon Sep 10 23:23:18 2007 Subject: 3rd party Jars with latest WO? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2C8D32C6-9D62-4833-A92B-1C67DA7E7788@visualfood.ch> hi will i had to add an empty text file so that Xcode picked up the framework, i don't know why but that made it work. actually, i think i added an KeyValueCodingProtectedAccessor.java but i think an empty text file will do the trick regards Cornelius On 10.09.2007, at 20:33, Will Scheidegger wrote: > I've used the Framework solution before to use 3rd party jars with > my wo apps. But now that I want to do the same thing with a new > Jar, I fail no matter what approach I'm taking. I've tried both > these solutions: > > http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Programming:WebObjects/ > Web_Applications/Development/Third_Party_Jars > > Can anyone tell me if it's just me or if this really does not work > anymore? Thanks! > > -Will > _______________________________________________ > WebObjects-dev mailing list > WebObjects-dev@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/webobjects-dev From willscheidegger at mac.com Tue Sep 11 00:08:51 2007 From: willscheidegger at mac.com (Will Scheidegger) Date: Tue Sep 11 00:09:02 2007 Subject: [Problem found - but how to solve it properly?] 3rd party Jars with latest WO? In-Reply-To: <2C8D32C6-9D62-4833-A92B-1C67DA7E7788@visualfood.ch> References: <2C8D32C6-9D62-4833-A92B-1C67DA7E7788@visualfood.ch> Message-ID: <041160DA-A0E4-4075-8095-8C59671BBAAF@mac.com> I compared two jar-frameworks I'm using in this project (one working and the new one not). They were identical. Then I had a close look at the output of the build process. First things look ok: JAVA_FRAMEWORK_JARS='/System/Library/Frameworks/ JavaFoundation.framework/Resources/Java /System/Library/Frameworks/ JavaEOControl.framework/Resources/Java /System/Library/Frameworks/ JavaEOAccess.framework/Resources/Java /System/Library/Frameworks/ JavaWebObjects.framework/Resources/Java /System/Library/Frameworks/ JavaWOExtensions.framework/Resources/Java /System/Library/Frameworks/ JavaXML.framework/Resources/Java /System/Library/Frameworks/ JavaJDBCAdaptor.framework/Resources/Java /Library/Frameworks/ FFWOUtilities.framework/Resources/Java /Library/Frameworks/ WOOgnl.framework/Resources/Java /Library/Frameworks/ FFStatelessListDetail.framework/Resources/Java /Library/Frameworks/ POIJars.framework/Resources/Java /Library/Frameworks/ FrontBasePlugIn.framework/Resources/Java /Library/Frameworks/ XStreamJars.framework/Resources/Java /Library/Frameworks/ QuartzJars.framework/Resources/Java' and LINKED_CLASS_ARCHIVES=:/System/Library/Frameworks/ JavaFoundation.framework/Resources/Java:/System/Library/Frameworks/ JavaEOControl.framework/Resources/Java:/System/Library/Frameworks/ JavaEOAccess.framework/Resources/Java:/System/Library/Frameworks/ JavaWebObjects.framework/Resources/Java:/System/Library/Frameworks/ JavaWOExtensions.framework/Resources/Java:/System/Library/Frameworks/ JavaXML.framework/Resources/Java:/System/Library/Frameworks/ JavaJDBCAdaptor.framework/Resources/Java:/Library/Frameworks/ FFWOUtilities.framework/Resources/Java:/Library/Frameworks/ WOOgnl.framework/Resources/Java:/Library/Frameworks/ FFStatelessListDetail.framework/Resources/Java:/Library/Frameworks/ POIJars.framework/Resources/Java:/Library/Frameworks/ FrontBasePlugIn.framework/Resources/Java:/Library/Frameworks/ XStreamJars.framework/Resources/Java:/Library/Frameworks/ QuartzJars.framework/Resources/Java But when Xcode wants to compile the java files, it starts looking in "WebServerResources/Java" for jars!? classpath="/Users/will/Documents/CVSProjects/coachrentWOFB/build/ coachrent.build/Development/Web Server.build/JavaClasses:/System/ Library/Frameworks/JavaFoundation.framework/WebServerResources/Java:/ System/Library/Frameworks/JavaEOControl.framework/WebServerResources/ Java:/System/Library/Frameworks/JavaEOAccess.framework/ WebServerResources/Java:/System/Library/Frameworks/ JavaWebObjects.framework/WebServerResources/Java:/System/Library/ Frameworks/JavaWOExtensions.framework/WebServerResources/Java:/System/ Library/Frameworks/JavaXML.framework/WebServerResources/Java:/Library/ Frameworks/FFWOUtilities.framework/WebServerResources/Java:/Library/ Frameworks/WOOgnl.framework/WebServerResources/Java:/Library/ Frameworks/FFStatelessListDetail.framework/WebServerResources/Java:/ Library/Frameworks/POIJars.framework/WebServerResources/Java:/Library/ Frameworks/FrontBasePlugIn.framework/WebServerResources/Java:/Library/ Frameworks/XStreamJars.framework/WebServerResources/Java:/Library/ Frameworks/QuartzJars.framework/WebServerResources/Java $frameworkjars:"`/usr/bin/javaconfig DefaultClasspath` I copied the jar in my jar framework from Resources/Java to WebServerResources/Java... and my project compiled fine! Well, this explains why the project would not build so far... but it does not explain a) why it worked with the first (old) jar framework since this framework does not have it's jar in WebServerResources/Java b) why Xcode is looking in WebServerResources/Java in the first place Any ideas anyone? Regards, Will On 11.09.2007, at 08:23, Cornelius Jaeger wrote: > hi will > > i had to add an empty text file so that Xcode picked up the > framework, i don't know why but that made it work. > actually, i think i added an KeyValueCodingProtectedAccessor.java > but i think an empty text file will do the trick > > regards > > Cornelius > > > On 10.09.2007, at 20:33, Will Scheidegger wrote: > >> I've used the Framework solution before to use 3rd party jars with >> my wo apps. But now that I want to do the same thing with a new >> Jar, I fail no matter what approach I'm taking. I've tried both >> these solutions: >> >> http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Programming:WebObjects/ >> Web_Applications/Development/Third_Party_Jars >> >> Can anyone tell me if it's just me or if this really does not work >> anymore? Thanks! >> >> -Will >> _______________________________________________ >> WebObjects-dev mailing list >> WebObjects-dev@omnigroup.com >> http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/webobjects-dev > From willscheidegger at mac.com Tue Sep 11 05:18:48 2007 From: willscheidegger at mac.com (Will Scheidegger) Date: Tue Sep 11 05:18:57 2007 Subject: [Solved] 3rd party Jars with latest WO? In-Reply-To: <041160DA-A0E4-4075-8095-8C59671BBAAF@mac.com> References: <2C8D32C6-9D62-4833-A92B-1C67DA7E7788@visualfood.ch> <041160DA-A0E4-4075-8095-8C59671BBAAF@mac.com> Message-ID: Hm... it _was_ me! The Java class I introduced which used the new 3rd party jar was added to the wrong target! Stupid!... o.k. it was late last night, but that's a lousy excuse. Sorry for the wast of bandwidth. -Will On 11.09.2007, at 09:08, Will Scheidegger wrote: > I compared two jar-frameworks I'm using in this project (one > working and the new one not). They were identical. Then I had a > close look at the output of the build process. First things look ok: > > JAVA_FRAMEWORK_JARS='/System/Library/Frameworks/ > JavaFoundation.framework/Resources/Java /System/Library/Frameworks/ > JavaEOControl.framework/Resources/Java /System/Library/Frameworks/ > JavaEOAccess.framework/Resources/Java /System/Library/Frameworks/ > JavaWebObjects.framework/Resources/Java /System/Library/Frameworks/ > JavaWOExtensions.framework/Resources/Java /System/Library/ > Frameworks/JavaXML.framework/Resources/Java /System/Library/ > Frameworks/JavaJDBCAdaptor.framework/Resources/Java /Library/ > Frameworks/FFWOUtilities.framework/Resources/Java /Library/ > Frameworks/WOOgnl.framework/Resources/Java /Library/Frameworks/ > FFStatelessListDetail.framework/Resources/Java /Library/Frameworks/ > POIJars.framework/Resources/Java /Library/Frameworks/ > FrontBasePlugIn.framework/Resources/Java /Library/Frameworks/ > XStreamJars.framework/Resources/Java /Library/Frameworks/ > QuartzJars.framework/Resources/Java' > > and > > LINKED_CLASS_ARCHIVES=:/System/Library/Frameworks/ > JavaFoundation.framework/Resources/Java:/System/Library/Frameworks/ > JavaEOControl.framework/Resources/Java:/System/Library/Frameworks/ > JavaEOAccess.framework/Resources/Java:/System/Library/Frameworks/ > JavaWebObjects.framework/Resources/Java:/System/Library/Frameworks/ > JavaWOExtensions.framework/Resources/Java:/System/Library/ > Frameworks/JavaXML.framework/Resources/Java:/System/Library/ > Frameworks/JavaJDBCAdaptor.framework/Resources/Java:/Library/ > Frameworks/FFWOUtilities.framework/Resources/Java:/Library/ > Frameworks/WOOgnl.framework/Resources/Java:/Library/Frameworks/ > FFStatelessListDetail.framework/Resources/Java:/Library/Frameworks/ > POIJars.framework/Resources/Java:/Library/Frameworks/ > FrontBasePlugIn.framework/Resources/Java:/Library/Frameworks/ > XStreamJars.framework/Resources/Java:/Library/Frameworks/ > QuartzJars.framework/Resources/Java > > But when Xcode wants to compile the java files, it starts looking > in "WebServerResources/Java" for jars!? > > classpath="/Users/will/Documents/CVSProjects/coachrentWOFB/build/ > coachrent.build/Development/Web Server.build/JavaClasses:/System/ > Library/Frameworks/JavaFoundation.framework/WebServerResources/ > Java:/System/Library/Frameworks/JavaEOControl.framework/ > WebServerResources/Java:/System/Library/Frameworks/ > JavaEOAccess.framework/WebServerResources/Java:/System/Library/ > Frameworks/JavaWebObjects.framework/WebServerResources/Java:/System/ > Library/Frameworks/JavaWOExtensions.framework/WebServerResources/ > Java:/System/Library/Frameworks/JavaXML.framework/ > WebServerResources/Java:/Library/Frameworks/FFWOUtilities.framework/ > WebServerResources/Java:/Library/Frameworks/WOOgnl.framework/ > WebServerResources/Java:/Library/Frameworks/ > FFStatelessListDetail.framework/WebServerResources/Java:/Library/ > Frameworks/POIJars.framework/WebServerResources/Java:/Library/ > Frameworks/FrontBasePlugIn.framework/WebServerResources/Java:/ > Library/Frameworks/XStreamJars.framework/WebServerResources/Java:/ > Library/Frameworks/QuartzJars.framework/WebServerResources/Java > $frameworkjars:"`/usr/bin/javaconfig DefaultClasspath` > > I copied the jar in my jar framework from Resources/Java to > WebServerResources/Java... and my project compiled fine! Well, this > explains why the project would not build so far... but it does not > explain > > a) why it worked with the first (old) jar framework since this > framework does not have it's jar in WebServerResources/Java > b) why Xcode is looking in WebServerResources/Java in the first place > > Any ideas anyone? > > Regards, > Will > > On 11.09.2007, at 08:23, Cornelius Jaeger wrote: > >> hi will >> >> i had to add an empty text file so that Xcode picked up the >> framework, i don't know why but that made it work. >> actually, i think i added an KeyValueCodingProtectedAccessor.java >> but i think an empty text file will do the trick >> >> regards >> >> Cornelius >> >> >> On 10.09.2007, at 20:33, Will Scheidegger wrote: >> >>> I've used the Framework solution before to use 3rd party jars >>> with my wo apps. But now that I want to do the same thing with a >>> new Jar, I fail no matter what approach I'm taking. I've tried >>> both these solutions: >>> >>> http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Programming:WebObjects/ >>> Web_Applications/Development/Third_Party_Jars >>> >>> Can anyone tell me if it's just me or if this really does not >>> work anymore? Thanks! >>> >>> -Will >>> _______________________________________________ >>> WebObjects-dev mailing list >>> WebObjects-dev@omnigroup.com >>> http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/webobjects-dev >> > > _______________________________________________ > WebObjects-dev mailing list > WebObjects-dev@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/webobjects-dev From kieran_lists at mac.com Tue Sep 11 05:36:52 2007 From: kieran_lists at mac.com (Kieran Kelleher) Date: Tue Sep 11 05:37:00 2007 Subject: [Solved] 3rd party Jars with latest WO? In-Reply-To: References: <2C8D32C6-9D62-4833-A92B-1C67DA7E7788@visualfood.ch> <041160DA-A0E4-4075-8095-8C59671BBAAF@mac.com> Message-ID: <824F4065-6368-41AA-B08C-6B83D84B365B@mac.com> "Target" still on XCode?.... move to Eclipse/WOLips .... you will be assimilated ;-) On Sep 11, 2007, at 8:18 AM, Will Scheidegger wrote: > Hm... it _was_ me! > > The Java class I introduced which used the new 3rd party jar was > added to the wrong target! Stupid!... o.k. it was late last night, > but that's a lousy excuse. > Sorry for the wast of bandwidth. > > -Will From ray at ganymede.org Tue Sep 11 12:16:13 2007 From: ray at ganymede.org (Ray Kiddy) Date: Tue Sep 11 12:23:45 2007 Subject: [Problem found - but how to solve it properly?] 3rd party Jars with latest WO? In-Reply-To: <041160DA-A0E4-4075-8095-8C59671BBAAF@mac.com> References: <2C8D32C6-9D62-4833-A92B-1C67DA7E7788@visualfood.ch> <041160DA-A0E4-4075-8095-8C59671BBAAF@mac.com> Message-ID: <4BB43FE9-E531-49F5-A4B1-650E94A0E6DB@ganymede.org> On Sep 11, 2007, at 12:08 AM, Will Scheidegger wrote: > I compared two jar-frameworks I'm using in this project (one > working and the new one not). They were identical. Then I had a > close look at the output of the build process. First things look ok: > > JAVA_FRAMEWORK_JARS='/System/Library/Frameworks/ > JavaFoundation.framework/Resources/Java /System/Library/Frameworks/ > JavaEOControl.framework/Resources/Java /System/Library/Frameworks/ > JavaEOAccess.framework/Resources/Java /System/Library/Frameworks/ > JavaWebObjects.framework/Resources/Java /System/Library/Frameworks/ > JavaWOExtensions.framework/Resources/Java /System/Library/ > Frameworks/JavaXML.framework/Resources/Java /System/Library/ > Frameworks/JavaJDBCAdaptor.framework/Resources/Java /Library/ > Frameworks/FFWOUtilities.framework/Resources/Java /Library/ > Frameworks/WOOgnl.framework/Resources/Java /Library/Frameworks/ > FFStatelessListDetail.framework/Resources/Java /Library/Frameworks/ > POIJars.framework/Resources/Java /Library/Frameworks/ > FrontBasePlugIn.framework/Resources/Java /Library/Frameworks/ > XStreamJars.framework/Resources/Java /Library/Frameworks/ > QuartzJars.framework/Resources/Java' > > and > > LINKED_CLASS_ARCHIVES=:/System/Library/Frameworks/ > JavaFoundation.framework/Resources/Java:/System/Library/Frameworks/ > JavaEOControl.framework/Resources/Java:/System/Library/Frameworks/ > JavaEOAccess.framework/Resources/Java:/System/Library/Frameworks/ > JavaWebObjects.framework/Resources/Java:/System/Library/Frameworks/ > JavaWOExtensions.framework/Resources/Java:/System/Library/ > Frameworks/JavaXML.framework/Resources/Java:/System/Library/ > Frameworks/JavaJDBCAdaptor.framework/Resources/Java:/Library/ > Frameworks/FFWOUtilities.framework/Resources/Java:/Library/ > Frameworks/WOOgnl.framework/Resources/Java:/Library/Frameworks/ > FFStatelessListDetail.framework/Resources/Java:/Library/Frameworks/ > POIJars.framework/Resources/Java:/Library/Frameworks/ > FrontBasePlugIn.framework/Resources/Java:/Library/Frameworks/ > XStreamJars.framework/Resources/Java:/Library/Frameworks/ > QuartzJars.framework/Resources/Java > > But when Xcode wants to compile the java files, it starts looking > in "WebServerResources/Java" for jars!? > > classpath="/Users/will/Documents/CVSProjects/coachrentWOFB/build/ > coachrent.build/Development/Web Server.build/JavaClasses:/System/ > Library/Frameworks/JavaFoundation.framework/WebServerResources/ > Java:/System/Library/Frameworks/JavaEOControl.framework/ > WebServerResources/Java:/System/Library/Frameworks/ > JavaEOAccess.framework/WebServerResources/Java:/System/Library/ > Frameworks/JavaWebObjects.framework/WebServerResources/Java:/System/ > Library/Frameworks/JavaWOExtensions.framework/WebServerResources/ > Java:/System/Library/Frameworks/JavaXML.framework/ > WebServerResources/Java:/Library/Frameworks/FFWOUtilities.framework/ > WebServerResources/Java:/Library/Frameworks/WOOgnl.framework/ > WebServerResources/Java:/Library/Frameworks/ > FFStatelessListDetail.framework/WebServerResources/Java:/Library/ > Frameworks/POIJars.framework/WebServerResources/Java:/Library/ > Frameworks/FrontBasePlugIn.framework/WebServerResources/Java:/ > Library/Frameworks/XStreamJars.framework/WebServerResources/Java:/ > Library/Frameworks/QuartzJars.framework/WebServerResources/Java > $frameworkjars:"`/usr/bin/javaconfig DefaultClasspath` > > I copied the jar in my jar framework from Resources/Java to > WebServerResources/Java... and my project compiled fine! Well, this > explains why the project would not build so far... but it does not > explain > > a) why it worked with the first (old) jar framework since this > framework does not have it's jar in WebServerResources/Java > b) why Xcode is looking in WebServerResources/Java in the first place > > Any ideas anyone? > > Regards, > Will I think that your problem is related to the things that Xcode does to make an older project style look like something in java. The Xcode project structure is set up for "NSBundle" application, as they were designed into OpenStep. Xcode does a bunch of funky things to make a java project look like an NSBundle. One thing it has to do, at times, is pretend there is an NSPrincipalClass in the bundle. There is old documentation on this. If you want to read it, it is not hard to find. It will probably not be very useful, though. Essentially, Xcode may need to pretend some little scrap of nothing in a java framework is the NSPrincipalClass so that it can recognize it as a framework. Xcode projects have one or more targets. A WebObjects project is composed of an aggregate target (the top one in the last, named with the project name), and a "server side" target and a "client side" target. There is a current target popup in the top area of the project window. It is not difficult to accidentally set this to 'Web Server' or 'Application Server', in which case the project as a whole is not built, or it looks like it is built, but only because the other target is not re-built. This is a bad thing to have happen. Given that all the paths reference the WebServerResources directory, I would guess this is what happened. If you want to see what actually gets used in an application, look at the stuff inside the woa directory. List the contents of any jars you see. Run the executable in there on the command-line and look at the last line, as the variables get expanded. Things in the Resources directory get used by the server side, so your database stuff goes here, for example. The stuff inside WebServerResources gets used by the client side. So, javascript files that get put into pages can go here. Anything on the client side will, it is assumed, get deployed into a web server directory, so the server side puts in references to stuff on the client side with urls, in a , for example. Various strange and inexplicable things happen to make this work in a development system, pre-deployment. And I could go on. At length. But life is short. Was this more than you wanted to know? I could have said "there be dragons...." - ray > > On 11.09.2007, at 08:23, Cornelius Jaeger wrote: > >> hi will >> >> i had to add an empty text file so that Xcode picked up the >> framework, i don't know why but that made it work. >> actually, i think i added an KeyValueCodingProtectedAccessor.java >> but i think an empty text file will do the trick >> >> regards >> >> Cornelius >> >> >> On 10.09.2007, at 20:33, Will Scheidegger wrote: >> >>> I've used the Framework solution before to use 3rd party jars >>> with my wo apps. But now that I want to do the same thing with a >>> new Jar, I fail no matter what approach I'm taking. I've tried >>> both these solutions: >>> >>> http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Programming:WebObjects/ >>> Web_Applications/Development/Third_Party_Jars >>> >>> Can anyone tell me if it's just me or if this really does not >>> work anymore? Thanks! >>> >>> -Will >>> _______________________________________________ >>> WebObjects-dev mailing list >>> WebObjects-dev@omnigroup.com >>> http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/webobjects-dev >> > > _______________________________________________ > WebObjects-dev mailing list > WebObjects-dev@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/webobjects-dev > From payroll at payonline.com Mon Sep 17 11:26:32 2007 From: payroll at payonline.com (Ed Herd) Date: Mon Sep 17 11:31:54 2007 Subject: Memory Leak? Message-ID: <49E5AF49-888C-4FBB-BBF2-016BCB548815@payonline.com> I have OSX 10.4.10 on all my systems. Both Xserves are running WO. After heavy usage I look at the Activity Monitor and see that the free memory is down to a few MB. The system seems to be running slower than after a reboot. Could it be memory leaks? What do others do to fix? From tony at superfetch.com Tue Sep 18 08:53:23 2007 From: tony at superfetch.com (Tony Hoffman) Date: Tue Sep 18 08:57:59 2007 Subject: er.javamail.centralize=true when properties are set to false Message-ID: I followed the thread on this topic but I can't find an eventual conclusion / solution apart from switching back over to WOMailDelivery (which threads on this topic convinced me to drop as outdated). My e-mail had been working fine previously. But now I'm getting the exception in this posting's subject. I have used System.out.println( "At startup, centralize propertie is: " + System.getProperty( "er.javamail.centralize") + " and er.javamail.adminEmail is " + System.getProperty ( "er.javamail.adminEmail") ); in the Application.java file to give me readouts of "At startup, centralize propertie is: false and er.javamail.adminEmail is [vaild e- mail address]", but for whatever reason the system is spitting out the exception: - Exception sending email: java.lang.IllegalArgumentException: When setting 'er.javamail.centralize=true' (which means you just test sending mails), you must also give a valid 'er.javamail.adminEmail=foo@bar.com' to which the mails are sent. This is a new problem -- the e-mail on both my development and deployment machines had been working fine previously. It looks to me like the application is finding a properties file somewhere other than in my project and the ERJavaMail framework (I have set both of these property files to read er.javamail.centralize=false). Anybody have any ideas or can direct me to a location on this topic I'd appreciate it. Tony Hoffman Dog Eat Dog Advertising, Inc. 67 West Chippewa Street, Suite 100 Buffalo, New York 14202-2010 Phone: 716-856-0142 / Fax: 716-856-0176 www.superfetch.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /mailman/archive/webobjects-dev/attachments/20070918/e85ecfe6/attachment.html From dleber at codeferous.com Tue Sep 18 09:33:23 2007 From: dleber at codeferous.com (David LeBer) Date: Tue Sep 18 09:52:38 2007 Subject: er.javamail.centralize=true when properties are set to false In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5330E011-A6E3-4F11-B31E-412714C6237C@codeferous.com> On 18-Sep-07, at 11:53 AM, Tony Hoffman wrote: > I followed the thread on this topic but I can't find an eventual > conclusion / solution apart from switching back over to > WOMailDelivery (which threads on this topic convinced me to drop as > outdated). > > My e-mail had been working fine previously. But now I'm getting the > exception in this posting's subject. > > I have used > > System.out.println( "At startup, centralize propertie is: " + > System.getProperty( "er.javamail.centralize") + " and > er.javamail.adminEmail is " + System.getProperty > ( "er.javamail.adminEmail") ); > > in the Application.java file to give me readouts of "At startup, > centralize propertie is: false and er.javamail.adminEmail is [vaild > e-mail address]", but for whatever reason the system is spitting > out the exception: > > - Exception sending email: java.lang.IllegalArgumentException: When > setting 'er.javamail.centralize=true' (which means you just test > sending mails), you must also give a valid > 'er.javamail.adminEmail=foo@bar.com' to which the mails are sent. > > This is a new problem -- the e-mail on both my development and > deployment machines had been working fine previously. > > It looks to me like the application is finding a properties file > somewhere other than in my project and the ERJavaMail framework (I > have set both of these property files to read > er.javamail.centralize=false). > > Anybody have any ideas or can direct me to a location on this topic > I'd appreciate it. What about your personal properties? ~/Webobjects.properties ;david -- David LeBer Codeferous Software 'co-def-er-ous' adj. Literally 'code-bearing' site: http://codeferous.com blog: http://davidleber.net profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/davidleber -- Toronto Area Cocoa / WebObjects developers group: http://tacow.org From tony at superfetch.com Tue Sep 18 09:50:05 2007 From: tony at superfetch.com (Tony Hoffman) Date: Tue Sep 18 09:54:54 2007 Subject: er.javamail.centralize=true when properties are set to false In-Reply-To: <5330E011-A6E3-4F11-B31E-412714C6237C@codeferous.com> References: <5330E011-A6E3-4F11-B31E-412714C6237C@codeferous.com> Message-ID: <9EC0181E-1284-4AA8-B848-3036658A30F1@superfetch.com> Doesn't look like it. There had been no ER.JavaMail specific settings in my personal properties, and when I did set them explicitly as in the project's properties file (as well as the ERJavaMail framework properties file) the same exception occurred. Thank you though. On Sep 18, 2007, at 12:33 PM, David LeBer wrote: > > On 18-Sep-07, at 11:53 AM, Tony Hoffman wrote: > >> I followed the thread on this topic but I can't find an eventual >> conclusion / solution apart from switching back over to >> WOMailDelivery (which threads on this topic convinced me to drop >> as outdated). >> >> My e-mail had been working fine previously. But now I'm getting >> the exception in this posting's subject. >> >> I have used >> >> System.out.println( "At startup, centralize propertie is: " + >> System.getProperty( "er.javamail.centralize") + " and >> er.javamail.adminEmail is " + System.getProperty >> ( "er.javamail.adminEmail") ); >> >> in the Application.java file to give me readouts of "At startup, >> centralize propertie is: false and er.javamail.adminEmail is >> [vaild e-mail address]", but for whatever reason the system is >> spitting out the exception: >> >> - Exception sending email: java.lang.IllegalArgumentException: >> When setting 'er.javamail.centralize=true' (which means you just >> test sending mails), you must also give a valid >> 'er.javamail.adminEmail=foo@bar.com' to which the mails are sent. >> >> This is a new problem -- the e-mail on both my development and >> deployment machines had been working fine previously. >> >> It looks to me like the application is finding a properties file >> somewhere other than in my project and the ERJavaMail framework (I >> have set both of these property files to read >> er.javamail.centralize=false). >> >> Anybody have any ideas or can direct me to a location on this >> topic I'd appreciate it. > > What about your personal properties? > > ~/Webobjects.properties > > ;david > > -- > David LeBer > Codeferous Software > 'co-def-er-ous' adj. Literally 'code-bearing' > site: http://codeferous.com > blog: http://davidleber.net > profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/davidleber > -- > Toronto Area Cocoa / WebObjects developers group: > http://tacow.org > > > Tony Hoffman Dog Eat Dog Advertising, Inc. 67 West Chippewa Street, Suite 100 Buffalo, New York 14202-2010 Phone: 716-856-0142 / Fax: 716-856-0176 www.superfetch.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /mailman/archive/webobjects-dev/attachments/20070918/6326b9d0/attachment.html From mschrag at mdimension.com Tue Sep 18 10:06:39 2007 From: mschrag at mdimension.com (Mike Schrag) Date: Tue Sep 18 10:06:51 2007 Subject: er.javamail.centralize=true when properties are set to false In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9C31F9FE-15B3-4479-A3EE-80CADAB7F397@mdimension.com> You say it used to work -- what changed? Did you upgrade to a new Wonder? If you set er.javamail.ERJavaMail logging level to DEBUG, what javamail log information do you get at startup? Are you extending ERXApplication or just using ERJavaMail outside of Wonder? If you use it outside of Wonder, you will need to initialize the framework manually (something ERXA normally does for you). If you are outside Wonder, to manually initialize the framework, run ERXJavaMail.sharedInstance().finishInitialization(); ms On Sep 18, 2007, at 11:53 AM, Tony Hoffman wrote: > I followed the thread on this topic but I can't find an eventual > conclusion / solution apart from switching back over to > WOMailDelivery (which threads on this topic convinced me to drop as > outdated). > > My e-mail had been working fine previously. But now I'm getting the > exception in this posting's subject. > > I have used > > System.out.println( "At startup, centralize propertie is: " + > System.getProperty( "er.javamail.centralize") + " and > er.javamail.adminEmail is " + System.getProperty > ( "er.javamail.adminEmail") ); > > in the Application.java file to give me readouts of "At startup, > centralize propertie is: false and er.javamail.adminEmail is [vaild > e-mail address]", but for whatever reason the system is spitting > out the exception: > > - Exception sending email: java.lang.IllegalArgumentException: When > setting 'er.javamail.centralize=true' (which means you just test > sending mails), you must also give a valid > 'er.javamail.adminEmail=foo@bar.com' to which the mails are sent. > > This is a new problem -- the e-mail on both my development and > deployment machines had been working fine previously. > > It looks to me like the application is finding a properties file > somewhere other than in my project and the ERJavaMail framework (I > have set both of these property files to read > er.javamail.centralize=false). > > Anybody have any ideas or can direct me to a location on this topic > I'd appreciate it. > > > > > > Tony Hoffman > Dog Eat Dog Advertising, Inc. > 67 West Chippewa Street, Suite 100 > Buffalo, New York 14202-2010 > Phone: 716-856-0142 / Fax: 716-856-0176 > www.superfetch.com > > > _______________________________________________ > WebObjects-dev mailing list > WebObjects-dev@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/webobjects-dev -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: /mailman/archive/webobjects-dev/attachments/20070919/e80fee3a/attachment.html From cheonghee at datasonic.com.my Wed Sep 19 19:12:35 2007 From: cheonghee at datasonic.com.my (Cheong Hee (Datasonic)) Date: Wed Sep 19 19:13:07 2007 Subject: er.javamail.centralize=true when properties are set to false References: Message-ID: <003101c7fb2b$b94fd1d0$1800a8c0@CHNGXP> That is a good share as I have been using older version of Wonder and it has been working fine. Just wonder what are the minimum changes required to work with lastest version of Wonder/ERJavaMail. ----- Original Message ----- From: Tony Hoffman To: webobjects-dev@omnigroup.com Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2007 9:06 PM Subject: Re: er.javamail.centralize=true when properties are set to false Yes, the problem was that I had changed development machines with a more recent version of Wonder. Returning to a previous version of Wonder for the project build has taken care of the problem. Thanks for the help. 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URL: /mailman/archive/webobjects-dev/attachments/20070920/415aa21a/attachment.html From dleber at codeferous.com Wed Sep 19 20:31:12 2007 From: dleber at codeferous.com (David LeBer) Date: Wed Sep 19 20:31:34 2007 Subject: er.javamail.centralize=true when properties are set to false In-Reply-To: <003101c7fb2b$b94fd1d0$1800a8c0@CHNGXP> References: <003101c7fb2b$b94fd1d0$1800a8c0@CHNGXP> Message-ID: <2F180EC2-1B82-49F5-81CF-0E9F8404EE96@codeferous.com> On 19-Sep-07, at 10:12 PM, Cheong Hee (Datasonic) wrote: > That is a good share as I have been using older version of Wonder > and it has been working fine. Just wonder what are the minimum > changes required to work with lastest version of Wonder/ERJavaMail. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Tony Hoffman > To: webobjects-dev@omnigroup.com > Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2007 9:06 PM > Subject: Re: er.javamail.centralize=true when properties are set to > false > > Yes, the problem was that I had changed development machines with a > more recent version of Wonder. Returning to a previous version of > Wonder for the project build has taken care of the problem. Thanks > for the help. I don't know what problem was plaguing Tony, but I am using a *very* recent version of Wonder and not experiencing any problems with ERJavamail. ;david -- David LeBer Codeferous Software 'co-def-er-ous' adj. Literally 'code-bearing' site: http://codeferous.com blog: http://davidleber.net profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/davidleber -- Toronto Area Cocoa / WebObjects developers group: http://tacow.org From john at pollard.net Thu Sep 20 08:07:02 2007 From: john at pollard.net (John Pollard) Date: Thu Sep 20 08:34:07 2007 Subject: Third party jar dependencies Message-ID: Hi, Within a WO app managed with Eclipse/WOLips I am attempting to add third party jars into a local directory. The jars are currently in /Library/Java/Extensions and while in there, everything works fine. I created a lib directory as a top level sub-directory under my project directory and placed the jars in there and added them to the build path. I also updated build.xml to ensure they are bundled in the release, but that is not important to this question. The application fails to find symbols in jars in my lib directory that are on the build path. When the jars are in /Library/Java/ Extensions they work ok. For example, the following line: import org.apache.commons.digester.*; Gives: The import org.apache.commons cannot be resolved. despite the digester jar being in my lib directory. One thing appears odd that may be a clue, my lib folder under the project is displayed with a ? next to it and the jars are not shown under it where they actually live on the file system, they are shown at the top level (looking messy). Any help appreciated, scratching my head. John -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /mailman/archive/webobjects-dev/attachments/20070920/a03caf06/attachment.html From lachlan.deck at gmail.com Thu Sep 20 14:52:43 2007 From: lachlan.deck at gmail.com (Lachlan Deck) Date: Thu Sep 20 14:52:52 2007 Subject: Third party jar dependencies In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4C5355CB-6DD5-4F21-A9DF-ECAD82E24AAD@gmail.com> On 21/09/2007, at 1:07 AM, John Pollard wrote: > Within a WO app managed with Eclipse/WOLips I am attempting to add > third party jars into a local directory. > > The jars are currently in /Library/Java/Extensions and while in > there, everything works fine. > > I created a lib directory as a top level sub-directory under my > project directory and placed the jars in there and added them to > the build path. > > I also updated build.xml to ensure they are bundled in the release, > but that is not important to this question. > > The application fails to find symbols in jars in my lib directory > that are on the build path. When the jars are in /Library/Java/ > Extensions they work ok. Have you tried "Project > Clean..."? > For example, the following line: > import org.apache.commons.digester.*; > Gives: The import org.apache.commons cannot be resolved. > despite the digester jar being in my lib directory. > > One thing appears odd that may be a clue, my lib folder under the > project is displayed with a ? next to it Using svn? It's not added to the repository yet. > and the jars are not shown under it where they actually live on the > file system, they are shown at the top level (looking messy). Adjust the filters (See "? > Filters..." top right corner of Package Explorer) with regards, -- Lachlan Deck From john at pollard.net Fri Sep 21 03:30:12 2007 From: john at pollard.net (John Pollard) Date: Fri Sep 21 03:30:19 2007 Subject: Third party jar dependencies In-Reply-To: <4C5355CB-6DD5-4F21-A9DF-ECAD82E24AAD@gmail.com> References: <4C5355CB-6DD5-4F21-A9DF-ECAD82E24AAD@gmail.com> Message-ID: <51A4BF93-A197-483E-94E2-1400A9FB1B99@pollard.net> Lachlan, Yes certainly tried project clean, restarting Eclipse etc. I have made sure the commons digester jar is in the Libraries list and also near the top in the "Order and Export" tab of the Java Build Path, but Eclipse still fails to on import org.apache.commons.digester.*; Everything works if the libs are in /Library/Java/Extensions so definitely a classpath type of problem. You are right we are using SVN and not yet committed. Thanks for your reply anyway. John On 20 Sep 2007, at 22:52, Lachlan Deck wrote: > On 21/09/2007, at 1:07 AM, John Pollard wrote: > >> Within a WO app managed with Eclipse/WOLips I am attempting to add >> third party jars into a local directory. >> >> The jars are currently in /Library/Java/Extensions and while in >> there, everything works fine. >> >> I created a lib directory as a top level sub-directory under my >> project directory and placed the jars in there and added them to >> the build path. >> >> I also updated build.xml to ensure they are bundled in the >> release, but that is not important to this question. >> >> The application fails to find symbols in jars in my lib directory >> that are on the build path. When the jars are in /Library/Java/ >> Extensions they work ok. > > Have you tried "Project > Clean..."? > >> For example, the following line: >> import org.apache.commons.digester.*; >> Gives: The import org.apache.commons cannot be resolved. >> despite the digester jar being in my lib directory. >> >> One thing appears odd that may be a clue, my lib folder under the >> project is displayed with a ? next to it > > Using svn? It's not added to the repository yet. > >> and the jars are not shown under it where they actually live on >> the file system, they are shown at the top level (looking messy). > > Adjust the filters (See "? > Filters..." top right corner of > Package Explorer) > > with regards, > -- > > Lachlan Deck > > > > _______________________________________________ > WebObjects-dev mailing list > WebObjects-dev@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/webobjects-dev -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /mailman/archive/webobjects-dev/attachments/20070921/0a83dc92/attachment.html From lachlan.deck at gmail.com Fri Sep 21 15:21:15 2007 From: lachlan.deck at gmail.com (Lachlan Deck) Date: Fri Sep 21 15:21:26 2007 Subject: Third party jar dependencies In-Reply-To: <51A4BF93-A197-483E-94E2-1400A9FB1B99@pollard.net> References: <4C5355CB-6DD5-4F21-A9DF-ECAD82E24AAD@gmail.com> <51A4BF93-A197-483E-94E2-1400A9FB1B99@pollard.net> Message-ID: <5DD7236C-A9EA-45AB-82EB-5916CC5BA13A@gmail.com> Hi John, On 21/09/2007, at 8:30 PM, John Pollard wrote: > Yes certainly tried project clean, restarting Eclipse etc. > I have made sure the commons digester jar is in the Libraries list > and also near the top in the "Order and Export" tab of the Java > Build Path, but Eclipse still fails to on import > org.apache.commons.digester.*; > Everything works if the libs are in /Library/Java/Extensions so > definitely a classpath type of problem. > You are right we are using SVN and not yet committed. > Thanks for your reply anyway. I'm not sure what else to suggest. If things don't turn up as expected I usually try: - click in package explorer and hit F5 to refresh eclipse cache on files - if that doesn't work, do a clean - restarting eclipse rarely needed You could also try creating a fresh project and import that jar and do a simple test. > John > > On 20 Sep 2007, at 22:52, Lachlan Deck wrote: > >> On 21/09/2007, at 1:07 AM, John Pollard wrote: >> >>> Within a WO app managed with Eclipse/WOLips I am attempting to >>> add third party jars into a local directory. >>> >>> The jars are currently in /Library/Java/Extensions and while in >>> there, everything works fine. >>> >>> I created a lib directory as a top level sub-directory under my >>> project directory and placed the jars in there and added them to >>> the build path. >>> >>> I also updated build.xml to ensure they are bundled in the >>> release, but that is not important to this question. >>> >>> The application fails to find symbols in jars in my lib directory >>> that are on the build path. When the jars are in /Library/Java/ >>> Extensions they work ok. >> >> Have you tried "Project > Clean..."? >> >>> For example, the following line: >>> import org.apache.commons.digester.*; >>> Gives: The import org.apache.commons cannot be resolved. >>> despite the digester jar being in my lib directory. >>> >>> One thing appears odd that may be a clue, my lib folder under the >>> project is displayed with a ? next to it >> >> Using svn? It's not added to the repository yet. >> >>> and the jars are not shown under it where they actually live on >>> the file system, they are shown at the top level (looking messy). >> >> Adjust the filters (See "? > Filters..." top right corner of >> Package Explorer) with regards, -- Lachlan Deck From hopkin at timesresources.com Mon Sep 24 10:38:15 2007 From: hopkin at timesresources.com (Samantha Hopkin) Date: Mon Sep 24 10:38:19 2007 Subject: WebObjects Question Message-ID: <12862232.post@talk.nabble.com> Could somebody advise me what I need to pay for WebObjects expertise (both contract rates and permanent salaries) I am looking for people with demonstrated experience delivering advanced solutions in a multi-tier, distributed environment using WebObjects, Java and Objective-C. Candidates should have 4-7 years overall experience in an application software development environment. Candidates must show success in developing new applications as well as maintaining existing code. Experience with WebObjects, Java, and Objective-C is required. Experience developing highly available, high-volume e-commerce applications is highly preferred. Familiarity with programming in a multi-platform environment (Mac OS and Windows) is required. Substantial database experience a big plus. Excellent communication and written skills are required. Please email me direct on hopkin@timesresources.com -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/WebObjects-Question-tf4509889.html#a12862232 Sent from the WebObjects-Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From paul at plsys.co.uk Tue Sep 25 03:01:19 2007 From: paul at plsys.co.uk (Paul Lynch) Date: Tue Sep 25 03:01:40 2007 Subject: WebObjects Question In-Reply-To: <12862232.post@talk.nabble.com> References: <12862232.post@talk.nabble.com> Message-ID: <34E9AB56-92A6-4F47-BF57-877EEA1AC0C3@plsys.co.uk> Samantha, For a UK post, the last one I saw advertised was looking to pay ?60k for a London based financial company. They were looking for an experienced WO developer; your requirement is more tightly specified, and may (or may not be) higher level. I am available contract or permanent (depending on location); if you are interested, let me know and I will send you a CV. Paul On 24 Sep 2007, at 18:38, Samantha Hopkin wrote: > > Could somebody advise me what I need to pay for WebObjects > expertise (both > contract rates and permanent salaries) > > I am looking for people with demonstrated experience delivering > advanced > solutions in a multi-tier, distributed environment using > WebObjects, Java > and Objective-C. > > Candidates should have 4-7 years overall experience in an application > software development environment. Candidates must show success in > developing > new applications as well as maintaining existing code. > > Experience with WebObjects, Java, and Objective-C is required. > Experience > developing highly available, high-volume e-commerce applications is > highly > preferred. Familiarity with programming in a multi-platform > environment (Mac > OS and Windows) is required. Substantial database experience a big > plus. > Excellent communication and written skills are required. > > Please email me direct on hopkin@timesresources.com From stephane.guyot11 at wanadoo.fr Sun Sep 30 06:27:43 2007 From: stephane.guyot11 at wanadoo.fr (Stephane Guyot) Date: Sun Sep 30 06:29:00 2007 Subject: I have a dream :-) Message-ID: Hi list, last night as FTO ( Fantomatic Technical Officer) , I directly report to Steve. I just dispose of only 2 minutes to convince Steve that opensource WebObjects may have a big Hallo Effect for Apple. The WO team agree with me and all WO developpers too, the challenge is big for the Community. I take the lift, door of the office is open, today's rumor says that Steve is in good mood, go. Fantomic : Hi Steve Steve : Hi Fantomic Fantomic : Well, the web is a mess , Apple can still come back in the war on the server side. J2EE is a nightmare, bad design, too much of JSR, most of J2EE projects fails. WebObjects, is simple , very light , very efficient, Steve , WebObjects is a bomb. Today the only drawback with WO is that, it's not opensource. I think we need to decide under what kind of License we can opensource WO. We need to avoid the cacophonic coding of most opensource project, we just need to keep the hand of the design and future of the technology. Anycase, today the big challenge is no more on the server side, RIA are future of the net. Steve : Fantomatic, you speaks about war and bomb, what did you have in mind, Iraqi ? Look at WebKit. Adobe is using WebKit for AIR, they are simply laughing at us. (I'm a little bit disappointed, I think Adobe is a big player on the RIA, perhaps buying Adobe would be the best thing we can do , but I can't say that to Steve. Fucking words, as a frenchy guy, I just wants to avoid the Iraqi war subject, I remember the ONU speech of the french prime minister, but in the same time I'm feeling better, Frenchy are not always saying stupid things ) Fantomatic : We needs to "Think Different", WO was simply ten years ahead ot his time. (Steve's iPhone beeps. 2 minutes it's very short.) Steve : I will decide soon. Fantomatic : Great, do the right choice. I just came out, I saw the next iPhone on the desk, but it's under NDA :-) Sincerly yours, Fantomic PS : Suggested reading : http://www.artima.com/weblogs/viewpost.jsp? thread=193593 Suggested hearing : "The Third Bardo" , I'm Five Years Ahead of My Time http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewAlbum? playlistId=261634131&s=143442&i=261634163 Probably my last request, my last post on the list :-) Good luck to everybody, Stephane -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It's been _very_ quiet on this subject though. :-( -Will On 30.09.2007, at 15:27, Stephane Guyot wrote: > > Hi list, > > last night as FTO ( Fantomatic Technical Officer) , I directly > report to Steve. > > I just dispose of only 2 minutes to convince Steve that opensource > WebObjects may have a big Hallo Effect for Apple. > The WO team agree with me and all WO developpers too, the challenge > is big for the Community. > I take the lift, door of the office is open, today's rumor says > that Steve is in good mood, go. > > Fantomic : Hi Steve > Steve : Hi Fantomic > > Fantomic : Well, the web is a mess , Apple can still come back in > the war on the server side. J2EE is a nightmare, bad design, too > much of JSR, most of J2EE projects fails. > WebObjects, is simple , very light , very efficient, Steve , > WebObjects is a bomb. Today the only drawback with WO is that, it's > not opensource. > I think we need to decide under what kind of License we can > opensource WO. We need to avoid the cacophonic coding of most > opensource project, > we just need to keep the hand of the design and future of the > technology. Anycase, today the big challenge is no more on the > server side, RIA are future of the net. > > Steve : Fantomatic, you speaks about war and bomb, what did you > have in mind, Iraqi ? > Look at WebKit. Adobe is using WebKit for AIR, they are simply > laughing at us. > > (I'm a little bit disappointed, I think Adobe is a big player on > the RIA, perhaps buying Adobe would be the best thing we can do , > but I can't say that to Steve. > Fucking words, as a frenchy guy, I just wants to avoid the Iraqi > war subject, I remember the ONU speech of the french prime > minister, but in the same time I'm feeling better, > Frenchy are not always saying stupid things ) > > Fantomatic : We needs to "Think Different", WO was simply ten years > ahead ot his time. > > > (Steve's iPhone beeps. 2 minutes it's very short.) > > Steve : I will decide soon. > Fantomatic : Great, do the right choice. > > > I just came out, I saw the next iPhone on the desk, but it's under > NDA :-) > > Sincerly yours, > Fantomic > > PS : > Suggested reading : http://www.artima.com/weblogs/viewpost.jsp? > thread=193593 > Suggested hearing : "The Third Bardo" , I'm Five Years Ahead of My > Time > http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewAlbum? > playlistId=261634131&s=143442&i=261634163 > > Probably my last request, my last post on the list :-) > > Good luck to everybody, > Stephane > _______________________________________________ > WebObjects-dev mailing list > WebObjects-dev@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/webobjects-dev -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /mailman/archive/webobjects-dev/attachments/20070930/c137f5f6/attachment.html From stuart at webobjectives.com.au Sun Sep 30 06:57:37 2007 From: stuart at webobjectives.com.au (Stuart Parker) Date: Sun Sep 30 07:04:23 2007 Subject: RedHat Enterprise Linux 5 and the WebObjects adaptor Message-ID: <1052124B-4AAB-4C6B-9077-156BD3FD9DB7@webobjectives.com.au> Hi there Has anyone been able to get any version of Apache and the adaptor running on Red Hat Enterprise Linux 4 or 5 on a 64bit machine. If so - could you provide details? cheers Stuart ================================= Stuart Parker // Web Objectives Pty Ltd stuart@webobjectives.com.au http://www.webobjectives.com.au +612 9499 3166 // 0421 359 297 33 Ridge St, Gordon, NSW, Australia ================================= From MacFirst at playnaked.com Sun Sep 30 08:45:20 2007 From: MacFirst at playnaked.com (Mac First) Date: Sun Sep 30 09:45:19 2007 Subject: I have a dream :-) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: In your dream, you don't explain to Steve what the advantages of open- sourcing WO would be. Heck, you didn't even mention the halo effect to him! You just told him that you thought that WO needs to be open- source -- not a compelling presentation. Now go back to sleep and have that dream again! ;) On Sep 30, 2007, at 6:27 AM, Stephane Guyot wrote: > Hi list, > > last night as FTO ( Fantomatic Technical Officer) , I directly > report to Steve. > > I just dispose of only 2 minutes to convince Steve that opensource > WebObjects may have a big Hallo Effect for Apple. > The WO team agree with me and all WO developpers too, the challenge > is big for the Community. > I take the lift, door of the office is open, today's rumor says > that Steve is in good mood, go. > > Fantomic : Hi Steve > Steve : Hi Fantomic > > Fantomic : Well, the web is a mess , Apple can still come back in > the war on the server side. J2EE is a nightmare, bad design, too > much of JSR, most of J2EE projects fails. > WebObjects, is simple , very light , very efficient, Steve , > WebObjects is a bomb. Today the only drawback with WO is that, it's > not opensource. > I think we need to decide under what kind of License we can > opensource WO. We need to avoid the cacophonic coding of most > opensource project, > we just need to keep the hand of the design and future of the > technology. Anycase, today the big challenge is no more on the > server side, RIA are future of the net. > > Steve : Fantomatic, you speaks about war and bomb, what did you > have in mind, Iraqi ? > Look at WebKit. Adobe is using WebKit for AIR, they are simply > laughing at us. > > (I'm a little bit disappointed, I think Adobe is a big player on > the RIA, perhaps buying Adobe would be the best thing we can do , > but I can't say that to Steve. > Fucking words, as a frenchy guy, I just wants to avoid the Iraqi > war subject, I remember the ONU speech of the french prime > minister, but in the same time I'm feeling better, > Frenchy are not always saying stupid things ) > > Fantomatic : We needs to "Think Different", WO was simply ten years > ahead ot his time. > > > (Steve's iPhone beeps. 2 minutes it's very short.) > > Steve : I will decide soon. > Fantomatic : Great, do the right choice. > > > I just came out, I saw the next iPhone on the desk, but it's under > NDA :-) > > Sincerly yours, > Fantomic > > PS : > Suggested reading : http://www.artima.com/weblogs/viewpost.jsp? > thread=193593 > Suggested hearing : "The Third Bardo" , I'm Five Years Ahead of My > Time > http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewAlbum? > playlistId=261634131&s=143442&i=261634163 > > Probably my last request, my last post on the list :-) > > Good luck to everybody, > Stephane > _______________________________________________ > WebObjects-dev mailing list > WebObjects-dev@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/webobjects-dev From jimstead at mac.com Sun Sep 30 15:59:29 2007 From: jimstead at mac.com (James Stead) Date: Sun Sep 30 15:59:34 2007 Subject: I have a dream :-) In-Reply-To: <65472CE9-974E-43C4-A2A4-C519FDF1C489@guiamac.com> References: <65472CE9-974E-43C4-A2A4-C519FDF1C489@guiamac.com> Message-ID: The value of open source in WO's case has nothing to do with the quality of the offering and everything to do with acceptance in the places where we all do our livings. The blaze of interest in Ruby on Rails and the lesser interest in the profusion of non-mainstream j2ee frameworks tells me that the market is seeking something better than the standard j2ee and .Net offerings. What Cocoa's success can tell us is that even when we've given up on a technology for lost it is still possible for it to come back. People know that Cocoa will have a life because it runs on all these Macs, iPods, and iPhones and it is important to Apple's success. People don't know that about WebObjects. It is not likely but is possible at least that if WO were open-sourced that it would revive in the larger market. As a very minor Apple product the likelihood is close to zero. Jim On Sep 30, 2007, at 5:34 PM, Miguel Arroz wrote: > Hi! > > Cocoa is not open source, and it rocks mac desktop. Why does WO > need to be? WO just needs Apple to... well... fix its bugs, build > new features, and... advertise it. > > My version of the dream: WWDC 200*, Keynote speech, about 20 > minutes long after all the blablabla about how many millions of > iPods were sold, "About that iPhone SDK... well, we have something > called WebObjects a long time ago (big, huge applause from 10% of > the room)"... > > Yours > > Miguel Arroz > > On 2007/09/30, at 14:27, Stephane Guyot wrote: > >> >> Hi list, >> >> last night as FTO ( Fantomatic Technical Officer) , I directly >> report to Steve. >> >> I just dispose of only 2 minutes to convince Steve that opensource >> WebObjects may have a big Hallo Effect for Apple. >> The WO team agree with me and all WO developpers too, the challenge >> is big for the Community. >> I take the lift, door of the office is open, today's rumor says >> that Steve is in good mood, go. >> >> Fantomic : Hi Steve >> Steve : Hi Fantomic >> >> Fantomic : Well, the web is a mess , Apple can still come back in >> the war on the server side. J2EE is a nightmare, bad design, too >> much of JSR, most of J2EE projects fails. >> WebObjects, is simple , very light , very efficient, Steve , >> WebObjects is a bomb. Today the only drawback with WO is that, it's >> not opensource. >> I think we need to decide under what kind of License we can >> opensource WO. We need to avoid the cacophonic coding of most >> opensource project, >> we just need to keep the hand of the design and future of the >> technology. Anycase, today the big challenge is no more on the >> server side, RIA are future of the net. >> >> Steve : Fantomatic, you speaks about war and bomb, what did you >> have in mind, Iraqi ? >> Look at WebKit. Adobe is using WebKit for AIR, they are simply >> laughing at us. >> >> (I'm a little bit disappointed, I think Adobe is a big player on >> the RIA, perhaps buying Adobe would be the best thing we can do , >> but I can't say that to Steve. >> Fucking words, as a frenchy guy, I just wants to avoid the Iraqi >> war subject, I remember the ONU speech of the french prime >> minister, but in the same time I'm feeling better, >> Frenchy are not always saying stupid things ) >> >> Fantomatic : We needs to "Think Different", WO was simply ten years >> ahead ot his time. >> >> >> (Steve's iPhone beeps. 2 minutes it's very short.) >> >> Steve : I will decide soon. >> Fantomatic : Great, do the right choice. >> >> >> I just came out, I saw the next iPhone on the desk, but it's under >> NDA :-) >> >> Sincerly yours, >> Fantomic >> >> PS : >> Suggested reading : http://www.artima.com/weblogs/viewpost.jsp?thread=193593 >> Suggested hearing : "The Third Bardo" , I'm Five Years Ahead of My >> Time >> http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewAlbum?playlistId=261634131&s=143442&i=261634163 >> >> Probably my last request, my last post on the list :-) >> >> Good luck to everybody, >> Stephane >> _______________________________________________ >> Do not post admin requests to the list. 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