From pgr at ramandu.ext.vt.edu Thu Nov 3 14:30:58 2005 From: pgr at ramandu.ext.vt.edu (Patrick Robinson) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:32:38 2005 Subject: [OMNIWEB-L] Window sizing In-Reply-To: <200002270312.TAA26018@scyther.omnigroup.com> from "William Shipley" at Feb 26, 0 07:23:40 pm Message-ID: <10002270448.AA15660@ramandu.ext.vt.edu> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text Size: 435 bytes Desc: not available Url : /mailman/archive/omniweb-l/attachments/20000226/a4692a2a/attachment.ksh From bogus@does.not.exist.com Thu Nov 3 14:30:58 2005 From: bogus@does.not.exist.com () Date: Thu Nov 3 14:32:42 2005 Subject: No subject Message-ID: Following is the example. http://www.tech-arts.co.jp/ | http://www.tech-arts.co.jp/macosx/macosx-jp/htdocs These are OK with Japanese S-JIS. But http://www.tech-arts.co.jp/macosx/macosx-jp/htdocs/5900/5985.html is garbled. This will not work in other character setting. Will you please investigate the problem? In addition, will you develop auto Japanese detect function that is already deployed in Internet Explorer in the near future? Regards, Kazu From bogus@does.not.exist.com Thu Nov 3 14:30:58 2005 From: bogus@does.not.exist.com () Date: Thu Nov 3 14:32:47 2005 Subject: No subject Message-ID: We now store all bookmarks, cookies, and history in ~/Library/Application Support/OmniWeb/, instead of ~/Library/OmniWeb. We automatically copy data from the old location when you first run the new version (but we never delete anything from the old location, so you might want to do this is you are fastidious). I don't know why this change was made, or whether there's any benefit to the change. Maybe they were following some new suggestion from Apple? -- Eugene Lee eugene@anime.net From bogus@does.not.exist.com Thu Nov 3 14:30:58 2005 From: bogus@does.not.exist.com () Date: Thu Nov 3 14:32:50 2005 Subject: No subject Message-ID: when a link is selected while the page is still loading. This can occur on certain pages which have a lot of advertisements (some of which are continually loading). As I noted on this list before, hitting the "Stop" before selecting a link, or even after a link is selected (and thus must be re-selected), appears to sure the stall problem. The fact that the stall occurs on only some pages, might be explained in terms of occurring on pages with a lot of ads; at least that has been my observation. The developers might consider, forcing a "Stop" before any new link. --dick peskin 2B2B,1717,8787Richard L. Peskin, RLP Consulting, Londonderry, VT http://www.rlpcon.com http://www.caip.rutgers.edu/~peskin --Apple-Mail-584897609-1-- From bogus@does.not.exist.com Thu Nov 3 14:30:58 2005 From: bogus@does.not.exist.com () Date: Thu Nov 3 14:32:52 2005 Subject: No subject Message-ID: a response, it's definitely worth the effort to send in detailed bug reports, because these guys actually *do* fix the reported bugs sooner or later (just don't expect complicated JavaScript bugfixes to happen within weeks). For me, OmniWeb got so much more usable over the years, because they *are* slowly but continually fixing problems with the sites that I often visit. In some cases, I know that my bug reports have been a part of the solution. The only other application where the developers are as responsive in actually working on the bugs I report as the Omni guys are, seems to be Mac OS X's Mail.app (so if you have bug reports for that application, go ahead and report them as well. They do listen, just as OmniGroup does.). I would like OmniGroup to respond more just as much as you do. But given limited resources, I'd rather have them work on OmniWeb instead of responding to each and every email. Regards Piers Uso Walter < ilink Kommunikationssysteme GmbH --Apple-Mail-103122183-2-- From bogus@does.not.exist.com Thu Nov 3 14:30:58 2005 From: bogus@does.not.exist.com () Date: Thu Nov 3 14:33:21 2005 Subject: No subject Message-ID: Lucida GrandeOmniWeb offers two ways to save HTML that you've edited: you can save it to disk, or you can send it back to the server whence it came. The latter isn't always possible, as it depends on whether the server allows it. For FTP servers, you must be logged in as a user who has write permission to the file. For HTTP servers, you need to be authorized to use the HTTP PUT command. I have configured Apache according its documentation to accept PUT commands in the httpd.conf file: < Options FollowSymLinks Allow from all < Still it doesn't work. When I try to use the command "Store" I get the following error message: Unable to store the file OmniWeb was unable to store the file on its original server. The most common reason for this is a lack of permission. The reason given was: Server returns "Method Not Allowed" (400) Is it an Apache (Apple version) bug or what? Am I missing something? (of course the mod_access module is activated - by default I think...) mc --Apple-Mail-7-478739655-- From bogus@does.not.exist.com Thu Nov 3 14:30:58 2005 From: bogus@does.not.exist.com () Date: Thu Nov 3 14:33:22 2005 Subject: No subject Message-ID: Lucida GrandeAlso, OmniWeb can be configured to recognize when you're editing source on your own web site. If the web pages your server uses are stored on your hard disk (or another volume which you can access in the Finder), configure the Local HTTP Server settings in Download Preferences. OmniWeb will then recognize when pages fetched via HTTP came from this server, and automatically save them to the right place when you use the Save command. I've done exactly that (like I was doing with OpenStep). It doesn't work. When I want to save it ALWAYS shows the Documents folder of my home directory like any app does and not the proper directory of the web server like the doc says (and like it used to work **perfectly** with OpenStep...) mc --Apple-Mail-6-478735018-- From bogus@does.not.exist.com Thu Nov 3 14:30:58 2005 From: bogus@does.not.exist.com () Date: Thu Nov 3 14:33:24 2005 Subject: No subject Message-ID: "Always open a web browser window when OmniWeb launches (unless this is disabled by the user in preferences), whether or not another window (like the Downloads window) is open." But this still does not work for me. I have the pref under 'General' set to open a new window on launch, but I still do not get one. I keep my downloads window open most of the time. Is anyone else able to get a new window to open at launch of OmniWeb when another window is open (Downloads, Network Activity, etc)? rezEdit From bogus@does.not.exist.com Thu Nov 3 14:30:58 2005 From: bogus@does.not.exist.com () Date: Thu Nov 3 14:33:28 2005 Subject: No subject Message-ID: "We recommend using quotation marks even when it is possible to eliminate them." Similarly it's always best to terminate your tags (either in the manner used for single tags, such as
, or for paired tags, such as

), to always use lower-case tags, to always specify a correct DTD etc. But you probably knew all this already. :-) /David Weinehall _ _ // David Weinehall /> Northern lights wander \\ // Maintainer of the v2.0 kernel // Dance across the winter sky // \> http://www.acc.umu.se/~tao/ "We recommend using quotation marks even when it is possible to eliminate them." Similarly it's always best to terminate your tags (either in the manner used for single tags, such as
, or for paired tags, such as

), to always use lower-case tags, to always specify a correct DTD etc. But you probably knew all this already. :-) /David Weinehall _ _ // David Weinehall /> Northern lights wander \\ // Maintainer of the v2.0 kernel // Dance across the winter sky // \> http://www.acc.umu.se/~tao/ 9.3.2 Controlling line breaks A line break is defined to be a carriage return ( ), a line feed ( ), or a carriage return/line feed pair. All line breaks constitute white space. For more information about SGML's specification of line breaks, please consult the notes on line breaks in the appendix. 9.3.3 Hyphenation In HTML, there are two types of hyphens: the plain hyphen and the soft hyphen. The plain hyphen should be interpreted by a user agent as just another character. The soft hyphen tells the user agent where a line break can occur. Those browsers that interpret soft hyphens must observe the following semantics: If a line is broken at a soft hyphen, a hyphen character must be displayed at the end of the first line. If a line is not broken at a soft hyphen, the user agent must not display a hyphen character. For operations such as searching and sorting, the soft hyphen should always be ignored. In HTML, the plain hyphen is represented by the "-" character (- or -). The soft hyphen is represented by the character entity reference ­ (­ or ­) B.3.1 Line breaks SGML (see [ISO8879], section 7.6.1) specifies that a line break immediately following a start tag must be ignored, as must a line break immediately before an end tag. This applies to all HTML elements without exception. *** Can you find anything else?! Regards: David Weinehall _ _ // David Weinehall /> Northern lights wander \\ // Maintainer of the v2.0 kernel // Dance across the winter sky // \> http://www.acc.umu.se/~tao/ Shibboleth \Shib"bo*leth\, n. [Heb. shibb[=o]leth an ear of corn, or a stream, a flood.] 1. A word which was made the criterion by which to distinguish the Ephraimites from the Gileadites. The Ephraimites, not being able to pronounce sh, called the word sibboleth. See --Judges xii. Without reprieve, adjudged to death, For want of well pronouncing shibboleth. --Milton. Also in an extended sense. The th, with its twofold value, is . . . the shibboleth of foreigners. --Earle. 2. Hence, the criterion, test, or watchword of a party; a party cry or pet phrase. ----------------- From bogus@does.not.exist.com Thu Nov 3 14:30:58 2005 From: bogus@does.not.exist.com () Date: Thu Nov 3 14:33:45 2005 Subject: No subject Message-ID: shibboleth n 1: a favorite saying of a sect or political group [syn: motto, slogan, catchword] 2: a manner of speaking that is distinctive of a particular group of people ----------------- From bogus@does.not.exist.com Thu Nov 3 14:30:58 2005 From: bogus@does.not.exist.com () Date: Thu Nov 3 14:33:45 2005 Subject: No subject Message-ID: Shibboleth river, or an ear of corn. The tribes living on the east of Jordan, separated from their brethren on the west by the deep ravines and the rapid river, gradually came to adopt peculiar customs, and from mixing largely with the Moabites, Ishmaelites, and Ammonites to pronounce certain letters in such a manner as to distinguish them from the other tribes. Thus when the Ephraimites from the west invaded Gilead, and were defeated by the Gileadites under the leadership of Jephthah, and tried to escape by the "passages of the Jordan," the Gileadites seized the fords and would allow none to pass who could not pronounce "shibboleth" with a strong aspirate. This the fugitives were unable to do. They said "sibboleth," as the word was pronounced by the tribes on the west, and thus they were detected (Judg. 12:1-6). Forty-two thousand were thus detected, and "Without reprieve, adjudged to death, For want of well-pronouncing shibboleth." ----------------- From bogus@does.not.exist.com Thu Nov 3 14:30:58 2005 From: bogus@does.not.exist.com () Date: Thu Nov 3 14:33:45 2005 Subject: No subject Message-ID: Shibboleth, Sibboleth, ear of corn; stream or flood ----------- reg@inquit.com wrote: > I bought a copy of OW recently because it's so pretty. But I'm really > pleasantly surprised to see that OW 41.41 even comes close to correctly > rendering the pages at http://www.projectseven.com. > > I regard this site as the browser shibboleth: whether you like their > design or not, they cut the tightest, most gracefully degrading > cross-browser DHTML (javascript+XHTML... whatever). > > Opera - which I'm guessing is the closest OW competitor - does somewhat > better than OW41.41. When OW can make it here (soon, I hope), then it > should change its badge from 'not too shabby' to something that's a bit > more boastful. > > BTW, I don't really know how to spell shibboleth (I can, of course, > pronounce it). But a guess was good enough for Anton Leuski's wonderful > cocaAspell. Its fast and clever and free at: > http://homepage.mac.com/leuski/cocoaspell/ (system services are the > bonus that makes cocoa apps like OW invaluable). From bogus@does.not.exist.com Thu Nov 3 14:30:58 2005 From: bogus@does.not.exist.com () Date: Thu Nov 3 14:34:04 2005 Subject: No subject Message-ID: the right side of the page. When the first page displays... Verify that the search string is still present in the search string entry field. Then click on the next link in either the upper right or lower left. Once next page displays (assuming you got a multi page response... If you didnčt try the search string łWhat is AppleTalkČ, youčll get at least three pages of responses.) At this point the search string field should be empty. Next click on the next link again... And youčll get a bad request... With the error: ------------------- Bad Request Your browser sent a request that this server could not understand. client sent HTTP/1.1 request without hostname (see RFC2616 section 14.23): /cgi-bin/WebObjects/kbase.woa/128/wa/query%0D%0A Apache/1.3.22 Server at rhino Port 80 ------------------ Now, I know this worked in previous releases... But I can put my finger on a version right now... Additionally, clicking on the back button results in a page where the JavaScript code seems to not be working... Clicking on the same link (which references a JavaScript function) results in no apparent action. Bo... ----------- Bo Ahlberg Issaquah, WA USA ----------- www.macfora.com AppleTalk/PeopleTalk You can find answers to your questions about Macs, Network or life in general. From bogus@does.not.exist.com Thu Nov 3 14:30:58 2005 From: bogus@does.not.exist.com () Date: Thu Nov 3 14:34:35 2005 Subject: No subject Message-ID: click to activate OW from other apps, and I can bring up other open OW browser windows using the dock icon. I can't close windows, I can't browse anything, and I can't open new windows. Can't access the menus, either. I can click to other open applications, and all work fine. My only option is to force-quit OmniWeb. Anybody know what's going on here? Anyone else experiencing this? -Jake From bogus@does.not.exist.com Thu Nov 3 14:30:58 2005 From: bogus@does.not.exist.com () Date: Thu Nov 3 14:34:41 2005 Subject: No subject Message-ID: a new page. Thanks, jim _______________________________________________ OmniWeb-l mailing list OmniWeb-l@omnigroup.com http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omniweb-l --Apple-Mail-1--472652706-- From bogus@does.not.exist.com Thu Nov 3 14:30:58 2005 From: bogus@does.not.exist.com () Date: Thu Nov 3 14:34:42 2005 Subject: No subject Message-ID: a new page. --Apple-Mail-2--470001099-- From fracai at mac.com Sat Jan 1 09:11:18 2005 From: fracai at mac.com (Arno Hautala) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:35:55 2005 Subject: Improving OmniWeb In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <26F2BD9F-5C18-11D9-8747-0030657FAE3E@mac.com> > - - General > - Newer WebCore > This is obvious, and OmniWeb know it's serious, and they > work > with it. I mention it on the top to indicate that this will > always be the most important feature request. True, but I think they do a pretty good job with this. > - Sidebar > Opera and Firefox have it. And Safari with Saft. Personally > I > do not miss it that much, but some users might do. What goes in there exactly? Bookmarks? History? I think the OW method is fine for both of these. I could see it being of use as an alternate way to see these items, but I think OG tried this with the slide-out pane in pre 5.x. > - Inline search > OmniWeb have support for inline link search, but I have not > found a way to do a general inline search. What about doing > an inline general search when holding down alt button, and > link search when not, and a preference option to switch the > two. Opera support this native, and there are at least three > different plugins to Safari that add this feature. I'd like to see find in the way FireFox does it, with a bar at the bottom. It can be awkward, but is really nice how it live searches. Then again, I think you can turn on live searching with a plist addition. It won't give you a bar or anything, but you'll see words highlighted as they are found and you can go forward and backwards with the keyboard. What OW really needs in this respect is a better manual that documents _everything_. > - Do not refresh front tab > Should be an option to not refresh the tab in the front, > even > if the page has a META-ENV refresh tag attached to it which > most newspapers have. It is annoing when the page refreshes > when you are in the middle of the page. The Saft plugin to > safari has this feature. I hate it when this happens. I'd love a way to turn off meta refresh in _every_ instance. This behavior only where the refresh will lead to the same page would be a nice feature as well. > - - Crash reporter > - Should send the mail automatically > Without starting up Mail.app. I think this would require including a mail server (you can't assume the user has a mail server installed and turned on) or issuing HTTP POST commands (if OW has crashed, you can't rely on being able to send HTTP commands). > - - Tabs > - The little "X" button you click to close a tab is a bit too > small. > Reported by John Gruber. My suggestion is to add support for > deleting a tab by holding in example Alt+Shift down when > clicking on a tab. Opera 7 support this behaviour by > shift-clicking. That'd be nice. I'd like to see the "X" _not_ disappear when only one tab is there. We hashed this out when developing Adium and the consensus was that it was better to have multiple ways to close the window than it was to have a widget disappear. OW could even take the FireFox route where clicking the "X" when only one tab is left just loads an empty page. > - Shrink and stretch the height of tabs. > Depending of the height of the window and the number of > tabs. > John Gruber has mentioned this earlier: > daringfireball.net?omniweb_5_public_beta > You can always use tabs without a preview. I think auto-sizing like the dock would be interesting. The width could stay the same, with the size of the preview shrinking until it is only as high as the tab minimum. Nice. > - - Site Preferences and ad block > - Should be possible to disable plugins > The way you can disable javascript. Currently you cannot > disable windows media player or shockwave plugins for a > specific site, without disabling it globally. PithHelmet has > this. Mmm, that'd be nice. > - Individual block list > Should be a block list for each site preferences > individually > in addition to the global one. I thought you could do this. You can always use the allow list to mimic this. > - Synchronization > Synchronization of bookmarks via WEBDAV is a brilliant > feature. I would like if OmniWeb moved the Site Preference > section away from the com.omnigroup.OmniWeb5.plist file, and > into a separate plist file which optionally can be stored > over WEBDAV. Maybe saving workspaces info to WEBDAV could be > done in the same batch :D > - Improved "Filter Image" > When Ctrl+clicking on an image you can add the url of the > image to the block list with the option "Filter Image". > Instead this should popup a dialog a input field entering > the > url, and regex-ed url preselected. This way the user can > change parts of the url to .* to match more generally. Look > at the AdBlock extention to firefox. It'd be a nice addition. Currently you have to open the prefs to edit the string, where you _can_ use regexp. I do wish that you could _remove_ elements and not just not load them. The way FireFox and Pith allow you too remove iFrames or remove an image and have the page change shape. I think it's come up before that OW shouldn't change the page layout. I believe that if the user wants to change the layout, they should be allowed. It could always be adjusted on a site by site pref. > - Block elements from "Page Info" > I use the page info feature a lot to get a overview of what > elements exist on a page. But there is no way to see the URL > of each element which is crucial to ad blocking. The Page > Info section contains buttons: "Display", "View Source" and > "Save as...". There should be a button like "Filter element" > or "block element" to add the url of the element to the > block > list. This should result in a popup box with the URL the way > I described on the section - Improved "Filter Image". > - - Bookmarks > - Check all bookmarks for dead links > A menu command manually executed to go through all bookmarks > to check whether they are dead or not, and setting status to > "Unreachable" for dead bookmarks. It is important that this > command do not set "Unviewed content" status. Mmm > - Status for RSS bookmarks/feeds > It is a problem that each RSS entry which is new get status > "Unviewed content". I want to subscribe to a lot of RSS > feeds, and only scroll through them to see if there is > something interesting. This way at average I got a couple of > hundred RSS entries with status "Unviewed content". This > result in a situation where all my regular sites that I > watch > for changes drowns. My suggestion on how to approach this > problem is to add another status type for bookmarks like > "Unviewed RSS entry" or similar with a separate entry, and a > separate smart-folder in bookmarks view to show them all. Or a separate count for RSS. -- -- arno s. hautala /-\ arno@alum.wpi.edu -- -- From Piers.Walter at ilink.de Sat Jan 1 11:26:55 2005 From: Piers.Walter at ilink.de (Piers Uso Walter) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:35:55 2005 Subject: Improving OmniWeb In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <190AD2EF-5C2B-11D9-AE7D-0003937585D4@ilink.de> Am 31. Dez 2004 um 16:57 schrieb Andreas ?kre Solberg: > - - Crash reporter > - Should send the mail automatically > Without starting up Mail.app. I beg to differ. This way of doing it actually makes a lot of sense. Us frequent bug reporters (TM) really appreciate this, as it allows to conveniently keep a record of all submitted bug reports and feature requests (in the outgoing mailbox). All other mechanisms, like the one Apple uses in Safari, make it next to impossible to keep track of what you have or have not reported. Once you reach a three digit number of reports, you'd really get confused without an archive of what you've sent in. Let alone that there would be no way to ever refer to old bug reports anymore, because they would have just vanished from the user's perspective. So I'd say: keep the crash reporter just like it is. With kind regards Piers From ward at joyofmacs.com Sat Jan 1 12:37:01 2005 From: ward at joyofmacs.com (Ward Clark) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:35:55 2005 Subject: Close confirmation on Close Other Tabs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Mike wrote ... > I tend to feel that irreversible (and particularly irreversible > destructive) actions should always require confirmation (or at least > there should be an associated preference). I support both ... 1. User confirmation of actions that discard a user's investment of time and thought, especially those that result from a slip of the keyboard. 2. Per-action preferences for enabling/disabling the confirmation. I know that I'd like to turn off the current confirmation when closing a window with multiple tabs. I use Command+W exclusively to close pages. When reach for the mouse and click the red button to close the browser window, it's only to get right of all tabs. So the confirmation dialog is increasingly annoying. -- Ward From srich at mac.com Sat Jan 1 13:27:43 2005 From: srich at mac.com (Stuart Rich) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:35:55 2005 Subject: function keys and workspaces Message-ID: Is there a way to disable the function-key shortcuts for workspaces? They make me crazy, a state of affairs I can ill afford. Thanks, Stuart From mac at solweb.no Sat Jan 1 14:54:52 2005 From: mac at solweb.no (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Andreas_=C5kre_Solberg?=) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:35:55 2005 Subject: Improving OmniWeb In-Reply-To: <190AD2EF-5C2B-11D9-AE7D-0003937585D4@ilink.de> References: <190AD2EF-5C2B-11D9-AE7D-0003937585D4@ilink.de> Message-ID: <2586C78E-5C48-11D9-B7A1-000393BAA290@solweb.no> > > - Newer WebCore > > This is obvious, and OmniWeb know it's serious, and they > > work > > with it. I mention it on the top to indicate that this > will > > always be the most important feature request. > > True, but I think they do a pretty good job with this. Yup, agreed. But I put it on the top nontheless, because Safari is under continously developement, and keeping up with the webcore should be the number one priority. > > - Sidebar > > Opera and Firefox have it. And Safari with Saft. > Personally > > I > > do not miss it that much, but some users might do. > > What goes in there exactly? Bookmarks? History? I think the OW > method is fine for both of these. I could see it being of use as an > alternate way to see these items, but I think OG tried this with the > slide-out pane in pre 5.x. What I mean by Panel is a horizontal split of the browser into two browser panels. The panel could be used for bookmarks, rss, news for pda sites, sending sms, etc. Opera has a lot of such panels: http://my.opera.com/community/customize/panel/ But I just mention this, I do not feel very strong need for it my self. Omniweb has the workspace concept which might cancel out this need. > > - Inline search > > OmniWeb have support for inline link search, but I have > not > > found a way to do a general inline search. What about > doing > > an inline general search when holding down alt button, and > > link search when not, and a preference option to switch > the > > two. Opera support this native, and there are at least > three > > different plugins to Safari that add this feature. > > I'd like to see find in the way FireFox does it, with a bar at the > bottom. It can be awkward, but is really nice how it live searches. > Then again, I think you can turn on live searching with a plist > addition. It won't give you a bar or anything, but you'll see words > highlighted as they are found and you can go forward and backwards with > the keyboard. What OW really needs in this respect is a better manual > that documents _everything_. plist is not a good place to enable such a feature. I suppose this means that this is a hidden feature that OmniGroup do think is not ready for the public - and I hope they will finnish and enable this feature by default. > > - Do not refresh front tab > > Should be an option to not refresh the tab in the front, > > even > > if the page has a META-ENV refresh tag attached to it > which > > most newspapers have. It is annoing when the page > refreshes > > when you are in the middle of the page. The Saft plugin to > > safari has this feature. > > I hate it when this happens. I'd love a way to turn off meta refresh > in _every_ instance. This behavior only where the refresh will lead to > the same page would be a nice feature as well. I think this should be an option and probably a part of the site preference, because some sites I want this turned on. Some sites provides live updates of "a thing" and needs to be updated several times a minute. > > - - Crash reporter > > - Should send the mail automatically > > Without starting up Mail.app. > > I think this would require including a mail server (you can't assume > the user has a mail server installed and turned on) or issuing HTTP > POST commands (if OW has crashed, you can't rely on being able to send > HTTP commands). As far as you are connected to the internet, and the smtp server omnigroup is running, there is no need for a separate server, the mail could be sent by a simple smtp session. But I agree with Walter that this is not very important, and some people prefer using mail.app, even if it is several more clicks away. > > - Shrink and stretch the height of tabs. > > Depending of the height of the window and the number of > > tabs. > > John Gruber has mentioned this earlier: > > daringfireball.net?omniweb_5_public_beta > > > > You can always use tabs without a preview. I think auto-sizing like > the dock would be interesting. The width could stay the same, with the > size of the preview shrinking until it is only as high as the tab > minimum. Nice. Excatly as I imagined it. Obvously horizontal size should not be changed, and the horizontal size should only change the canvas for the preview not shrink the image it self. > > > - Individual block list > > Should be a block list for each site preferences > > individually > > in addition to the global one. > > I thought you could do this. You can always use the allow list to > mimic this. No, you cannot. How can i block /foobar/ from the nice.com server ? If I add nice.com to the allow list then the complete domain is whitelisted, which is not what I want. > > - Synchronization > > Synchronization of bookmarks via WEBDAV is a brilliant > > feature. I would like if OmniWeb moved the Site Preference > > section away from the com.omnigroup.OmniWeb5.plist file, > and > > into a separate plist file which optionally can be stored > > over WEBDAV. Maybe saving workspaces info to WEBDAV could > be > > done in the same batch :D > > - Improved "Filter Image" > > When Ctrl+clicking on an image you can add the url of the > > image to the block list with the option "Filter Image". > > Instead this should popup a dialog a input field entering > > the > > url, and regex-ed url preselected. This way the user can > > change parts of the url to .* to match more generally. > Look > > at the AdBlock extention to firefox. > > It'd be a nice addition. Currently you have to open the prefs to edit > the string, where you _can_ use regexp. I do wish that you could > _remove_ elements and not just not load them. Agree. It should be optionally. Both should be possible. A checkbox for each block entry or something. > The way FireFox and Pith > allow you too remove iFrames or remove an image and have the page > change shape. I think it's come up before that OW shouldn't change the > page layout. I believe that if the user wants to change the layout, > they should be allowed. It could always be adjusted on a site by site > pref. ..or by site prefs as you suggested. I think I like your suggestion best. > > - Status for RSS bookmarks/feeds > > It is a problem that each RSS entry which is new get > status > > "Unviewed content". I want to subscribe to a lot of RSS > > feeds, and only scroll through them to see if there is > > something interesting. This way at average I got a couple > of > > hundred RSS entries with status "Unviewed content". This > > result in a situation where all my regular sites that I > > watch > > for changes drowns. My suggestion on how to approach this > > problem is to add another status type for bookmarks like > > "Unviewed RSS entry" or similar with a separate entry, > and a > > separate smart-folder in bookmarks view to show them all. > > Or a separate count for RSS. That was my intention; a separate status imply a separate counter for the number of bookmarks/rss entries with this number. From mac at solweb.no Sat Jan 1 14:56:04 2005 From: mac at solweb.no (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Andreas_=C5kre_Solberg?=) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:35:55 2005 Subject: Client side style sheet Message-ID: <50AA42DA-5C48-11D9-B7A1-000393BAA290@solweb.no> I cannot find out how to add a client side style sheet. I also want the option to specify specific style sheet in the site preferences. If this is not possible; then I will add it to my OmniWeb Feature Request document :) Regards. -- Andreas ?kre Solberg Contact info and Public PGP Key available on: http://andreas.solweb.no/ From cooksey at cs.wisc.edu Sat Jan 1 19:19:51 2005 From: cooksey at cs.wisc.edu (Gregory Cooksey) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:35:55 2005 Subject: Close confirmation on Close Other Tabs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2A8A7A0C-5C6D-11D9-8FD5-000393DB4FEE@cs.wisc.edu> I'd like to see an undo function for closing tabs. I don't know how easily that could be implemented, but it would cover the closing the wrong multiple tabs situation. I also sometimes just accidentally hit Cmd-W when I'm aiming for something else or just in a hurry and then wish I could bring the window or tab back. On Jan 1, 2005, at 2:37 PM, Ward Clark wrote: > Mike wrote ... > >> I tend to feel that irreversible (and particularly irreversible >> destructive) actions should always require confirmation (or at least >> there should be an associated preference). > > I support both ... > > 1. User confirmation of actions that discard a user's investment of > time and thought, especially those that result from a slip of the > keyboard. > > 2. Per-action preferences for enabling/disabling the confirmation. > > I know that I'd like to turn off the current confirmation when closing > a window with multiple tabs. I use Command+W exclusively to close > pages. When reach for the mouse and click the red button to close the > browser window, it's only to get right of all tabs. So the > confirmation dialog is increasingly annoying. > > -- Ward > > _______________________________________________ > OmniWeb-l mailing list > OmniWeb-l@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omniweb-l > From cloakingdevice at fastmail.fm Sun Jan 2 07:27:00 2005 From: cloakingdevice at fastmail.fm (Jason Koh) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:35:55 2005 Subject: Favicon Implementation Message-ID: I am a little puzzled by the way this feature is implemented in Omniweb 5.1. I added this line to the html files at the website http://www.ascm.org.au ... ... When I request the page "www.ascm.org.au" without any filename, index.htm is loaded and the icon appears on the address bar. But if I request any other file on the site or even index.htm, the icon is replaced with the generic one. Anyone know what the problem is? On investigation, I found that there are at least 3 ways to add these icons to website: 1. favicon.ico file in the base directory of the site. 2a. 2b. as above with file of other image format such as gif. 3. Method 1 appears to be the least flexible, and generates lots of "not found" errors. Method 2 is non-standards compliant, according to w3c. Method 3 should be the preferred method, but after some experiments, I think Omniweb does not support it. Anyone care to comment? Jason Koh From mac at solweb.no Sun Jan 2 08:01:22 2005 From: mac at solweb.no (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Andreas_=C5kre_Solberg?=) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:35:55 2005 Subject: Favicon Implementation In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8C8CC80B-5CD7-11D9-B7A1-000393BAA290@solweb.no> On Jan 2, 2005, at 16:27, Jason Koh wrote: > On investigation, I found that there are at least 3 ways to add these > icons to website: > 2a. type="image/x-icon" /> > 2b. as above with file of other image format such as gif. > > Method 2 is non-standards compliant, according to w3c. Well, I disagree. I do not see how rel="shortcut icon" is in conflict with W3C. -- Andreas ?kre Solberg Contact info and Public PGP Key available on: http://andreas.solweb.no/ From delaroca at mminternet.com Sun Jan 2 18:00:27 2005 From: delaroca at mminternet.com (Denis DeLaRoca) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:35:55 2005 Subject: Display window width? In-Reply-To: <50AA42DA-5C48-11D9-B7A1-000393BAA290@solweb.no> References: <50AA42DA-5C48-11D9-B7A1-000393BAA290@solweb.no> Message-ID: Hi, This website, http://www6.tomshardware.com/business/20041230/index.html doesn't display right unless the browser's horizontal width is 800 pixesl or more, I think... the Mozilla browsers do handle this better. Is this a browser issue that could be handled better in Omniweb or is it rather an html issue? -- Denis From aethr at earthlink.net Sun Jan 2 22:57:08 2005 From: aethr at earthlink.net (Allen Ethridge) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:35:55 2005 Subject: Key West webcams Message-ID: I can't get most of the webcams at to display. Is it something silly I'm doing or an issue with OmniWeb? Allen From leon.spencer at student.usyd.edu.au Sun Jan 2 23:00:28 2005 From: leon.spencer at student.usyd.edu.au (Leon Spencer) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:35:55 2005 Subject: Key West webcams In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <26BA087A-5D55-11D9-8952-000A956CC66A@student.usyd.edu.au> You mean something silly besides looking at webcams? On 03/01/2005, at 5:57 PM, Allen Ethridge wrote: > I can't get most of the webcams at to > display. Is it something silly I'm doing or an issue with OmniWeb? > > Allen > _______________________________________________ > OmniWeb-l mailing list > OmniWeb-l@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omniweb-l > > -- L. From jtummins at wideopenwest.com Mon Jan 3 05:45:32 2005 From: jtummins at wideopenwest.com (James Tummins) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:35:55 2005 Subject: Display window width? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 1/2/05 7:00 PM, "Denis DeLaRoca" wrote: > http://www6.tomshardware.com/business/20041230/index.html > > doesn't display right unless the browser's horizontal width is 800 pixesl > or more, I think... the Mozilla browsers do handle this better. > > Is this a browser issue that could be handled better in Omniweb or is it > rather an html issue? Safari doesn't handle it either. It may be Webcore. I've seen several sites that are similar. Has it been reported it to Apple? James From kelpie at danu.co.uk Mon Jan 3 06:24:45 2005 From: kelpie at danu.co.uk (Pat O'Halloran) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:35:55 2005 Subject: Workspaces Message-ID: <20050103142446.2762@smtp.dsl.pipex.com> Hi I'm not sure if I'm missing a trick here but making new workspaces seems a little clumsy. If I have a window with several tabs open and I want to make that a new workspace, how do I do it? If I choose 'new workspace' from the menu it closes my windows and gives me a blank workspace. Is there a simple way? Thanks. -- Pat O'Halloran http://www.danu.co.uk Stone circles were common - Druids built them as weather computers - it was always cheaper to build a new 33-MegaLith circle - so there were generally plenty of ancient ones around - Terry Pratchett From minutiaeman at st-minutiae.com Mon Jan 3 12:28:17 2005 From: minutiaeman at st-minutiae.com (Dan Carlson) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:35:55 2005 Subject: Checking bookmarks for changes Message-ID: <0069EE85-5DC6-11D9-AD4B-00039362CC88@st-minutiae.com> For the past few months, there's been something nebulous that's been nagging me about OmniWeb 5. It's unconditionally great, and I absolutely love it, but something seemed off every once in a while. And I finally realized what the problem is -- the automatic checking for refreshed links isn't working according to the schedule I've set. Specifically, I keep all of my RSS feeds in a bookmark folder called "News Feeds". I've set the "News Feeds" folder to check for changes every hour. But at most, I've noticed that I'm getting updates once or twice per day. And so I often end up opening the bookmarks window and manually telling OmniWeb to update the links. But this can sometimes get a little annoying, though I never even really thought too much about it. Is there any indication that the auto-update of RSS feeds isn't working properly? Do I have a setting improperly established? What's wrong? Thanks, Dan Carlson (Using OmniWeb 5.1b5) From tburton at brahea.com Tue Jan 4 00:43:54 2005 From: tburton at brahea.com (Thomas E Burton) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:35:55 2005 Subject: Checking bookmarks for changes In-Reply-To: <0069EE85-5DC6-11D9-AD4B-00039362CC88@st-minutiae.com> References: <0069EE85-5DC6-11D9-AD4B-00039362CC88@st-minutiae.com> Message-ID: Dan, I'm using release 5.0.1 (not a beta), but perhaps the following applies. I too set a faster refresh rate to RSS feeds: hourly compared to daily or weekly for most pages. Works as expected for BBC, NYTimes, and WSJ, but some sites don't. Spot checks reveal that, when I force an update, nothing changes. My guess is that some sites don't update their feeds as often as your setting and, when OmniWeb checks for an update and finds none, it does not update the date and time on the info panel, in effect telling you "I looked but nothing changed, so don't bother to click here." So you might think that OmniWeb didn't check, but I suspect it did. Tom Burton On Jan 3, 2005, at 10:28 AM, Dan Carlson wrote: > For the past few months, there's been something nebulous that's been > nagging me about OmniWeb 5. It's unconditionally great, and I > absolutely love it, but something seemed off every once in a while. > And I finally realized what the problem is -- the automatic checking > for refreshed links isn't working according to the schedule I've set. > > Specifically, I keep all of my RSS feeds in a bookmark folder called > "News Feeds". I've set the "News Feeds" folder to check for changes > every hour. But at most, I've noticed that I'm getting updates once > or twice per day. And so I often end up opening the bookmarks window > and manually telling OmniWeb to update the links. But this can > sometimes get a little annoying, though I never even really thought > too much about it. > > Is there any indication that the auto-update of RSS feeds isn't > working properly? Do I have a setting improperly established? What's > wrong? > > Thanks, > Dan Carlson > (Using OmniWeb 5.1b5) > > _______________________________________________ > OmniWeb-l mailing list > OmniWeb-l@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omniweb-l > From mac at solweb.no Tue Jan 4 08:18:34 2005 From: mac at solweb.no (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Andreas_=C5kre_Solberg?=) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:35:55 2005 Subject: Broken favicon support Message-ID: <487C3BFB-5E6C-11D9-A116-000D933E76A8@solweb.no> It seems that Omniweb shows the /favicon.ico rather than the one specified with link rel="shortcut icon", if both exists. Is it so, or is my problem related to that only one favicon is stored in cache per site? Regards, Andreas From kelpie at danu.co.uk Tue Jan 4 10:28:33 2005 From: kelpie at danu.co.uk (Pat O'Halloran) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:35:55 2005 Subject: iDisk pop up Message-ID: <20050104182833.29887@smtp.dsl.pipex.com> Hi Over the last couple of says I keep getting a pop-up window appearing asking for a name and password, the wording says "This page requires a password. Please enter a name and password for realm 'hotkelpie@mac.com' on host idisk.mac.com" There are then the two boxes for name and password. However, I don't have a page or tab open for idisk or .Mac. If I click the 'cancel' button it disappears only to re-appear a few minutes later. Has anyone any idea why this is happening? Thanks. -- Pat O'Halloran http://www.danu.co.uk Stone circles were common - Druids built them as weather computers - it was always cheaper to build a new 33-MegaLith circle - so there were generally plenty of ancient ones around - Terry Pratchett From fracai at mac.com Tue Jan 4 10:34:29 2005 From: fracai at mac.com (Arno S Hautala) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:35:55 2005 Subject: iDisk pop up In-Reply-To: <20050104182833.29887@smtp.dsl.pipex.com> References: <20050104182833.29887@smtp.dsl.pipex.com> Message-ID: <11283550.1104863669104.JavaMail.fracai@mac.com> >Over the last couple of says I keep getting a pop-up window appearing >asking for a name and password, the wording says > >"This page requires a password. Please enter a name and password for >realm 'hotkelpie@mac.com' on host idisk.mac.com" > >There are then the two boxes for name and password. However, I don't have >a page or tab open for idisk or .Mac. If I click the 'cancel' button it >disappears only to re-appear a few minutes later. Has anyone any idea why >this is happening? Thanks. I've never seen it before, but do you have iSync turned on? iSync might be attempting to make its backups and failing and trying again. -- -- arno s hautala /-\ fracai@mac.com -- -- From lists at binkabi.info Tue Jan 4 10:46:03 2005 From: lists at binkabi.info (Steve Lianoglou) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:35:55 2005 Subject: iDisk pop up In-Reply-To: <11283550.1104863669104.JavaMail.fracai@mac.com> References: <20050104182833.29887@smtp.dsl.pipex.com> <11283550.1104863669104.JavaMail.fracai@mac.com> Message-ID: <41DAE46B.20107@binkabi.info> Arno S Hautala wrote: >>"This page requires a password. Please enter a name and password for >>realm 'hotkelpie@mac.com' on host idisk.mac.com" [ snip ] > I've never seen it before, but do you have iSync turned on? iSync might be attempting to make its backups and failing and trying again. I have no idea why this is happenning, but this did happen to me on one day last week as well ... since then it hasn't happened again and I'm not sure why. I do have iSync turned on on three computers to sync automatically and am using .Mac synching on OmniWeb, but this only happened on an isolated moment and I can't really remember doing anything out of the ordinary .... using OW5.1b5 OS X.3.7 -steve From paul.anderson at hp.com Tue Jan 4 10:46:01 2005 From: paul.anderson at hp.com (Paul Anderson) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:35:55 2005 Subject: iDisk pop up In-Reply-To: <20050104182833.29887@smtp.dsl.pipex.com> Message-ID: This iDisk popup window appears in the same way for me too. Yes, I have an iDisk mounted; no, I don't run iSync at work. I can't think of why OmniWeb has anything to do with my iDisk. Paul Paul Anderson OpenVMS Engineering Hewlett-Packard Company From herbert at elbrecht.de Tue Jan 4 13:10:22 2005 From: herbert at elbrecht.de (Herbert Elbrecht) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:35:55 2005 Subject: OW5.1b5 & Schubert Browser Plugin 2.1 Message-ID: <0BC4DE0E-5E95-11D9-986C-000A27B230D4@elbrecht.de> Hello all - On 04.01.2005, at 07:40, Manfred Schubert wrote: >> got used to Schubert PDF Browser Plugin - >> with OW 5.1beta you get double scroll bar: -------------- next part -------------- without/with toolbar -------------- next part -------------- > These outer scrollbars are OmniWeb's. It's up to OmniGroup to fix this > problem. I sent OW bug report? > I only see this when rapidly resizing the browser window however. > Otherwise it works fin in OmniWeb 5.1 b5. That's interesting information: my browser sticks to double scrollbar somehow. But my case is special in sofar as the PDF gets displayed in a frame, and I just found that "Open frame in new window" gets it right. So frame handling of "Schubert PDF Browser Plugin 2.1" seems buggy in OW 5.1.5beta. Anyone to confirm my experience? Thanx HE # # # Herbert Elbrecht herbert at elbrecht dot com www dot sir dot elbrecht dot com From mark_hilton at mac.com Tue Jan 4 14:46:25 2005 From: mark_hilton at mac.com (Mark R. Hilton) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:35:55 2005 Subject: OmniWeb-l Digest, Vol 13, Issue 4 In-Reply-To: <200501042001.j04K1BZT014944@slowbro.omnigroup.com> References: <200501042001.j04K1BZT014944@slowbro.omnigroup.com> Message-ID: <20050105064625663009.GyazMail.mark_hilton@mac.com> On Tue, 04 Jan 2005 12:01:11 -0800 (PST), omniweb-l-request@omnigroup.com wrote: > Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2005 13:46:01 -0500 > From: Paul Anderson > Subject: Re: iDisk pop up > To: OmniWeb mailing list > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > This iDisk popup window appears in the same way for me too. Yes, I have an > iDisk mounted; no, I don't run iSync at work. I can't think of why OmniWeb > has anything to do with my iDisk. > > Paul I would think the pop-up is coming from iSync. I used iSync the other day, and while working in OmniOutliner, it came to a halt but I was able to save out and close the app. When I did so, I found that there was a window saying that iSync could not sync to my (brand new) iPod--I hadn't taken on board that it could!--which was not even connected. The syncing process had apparently finished about 5 minutes before, but I had left iSync running. This is the first time I have left iSync running after apparently completing, and the first time I have seen the alert. Mark From Karen at curlypaws.com Tue Jan 4 16:39:53 2005 From: Karen at curlypaws.com (Karen) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:35:55 2005 Subject: Lock Up with 5.1b5 Message-ID: Hi, I'm having problems with the site http://www.pinkpinkpink.co.uk in OmniWeb 5.1b5. The site opens OK in Safari, but hangs OmniWeb. If I switch OmniWeb's site preferences to have it identify as Safari v1.2.3 then the page loads OK. I'm presuming that they may do something according to the browser ID, but I wouldn't have expected it to hang OmniWeb. Thanks, Karen From tburton at brahea.com Tue Jan 4 16:54:38 2005 From: tburton at brahea.com (Thomas E Burton) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:35:55 2005 Subject: Lock Up with 5.1b5 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <604B5AF0-5EB4-11D9-9F60-00039379ECCA@brahea.com> pinkpinkpink loads just fine in 5.0.1, so perhaps it a beta thing. Tom Burton On Jan 4, 2005, at 2:39 PM, Karen wrote: > Hi, > > I'm having problems with the site http://www.pinkpinkpink.co.uk in > OmniWeb > 5.1b5. The site opens OK in Safari, but hangs OmniWeb. If I switch > OmniWeb's site preferences to have it identify as Safari v1.2.3 then > the > page loads OK. I'm presuming that they may do something according to > the > browser ID, but I wouldn't have expected it to hang OmniWeb. > > Thanks, > > Karen > > > _______________________________________________ > OmniWeb-l mailing list > OmniWeb-l@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omniweb-l > From mac at steveandmimi.com Wed Jan 5 12:38:26 2005 From: mac at steveandmimi.com (Steve Nicholson) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:35:55 2005 Subject: Key West webcams In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Same here. Most work in Firefox 1.0, but not in Safari 1.2.4 or OW 5.1b5. A couple use a different delivery method (Java Applet, Windows Media Player) and work in OW and Safari. -Steve On Jan 2, 2005, at 10:57 PM, Allen Ethridge wrote: > I can't get most of the webcams at to > display. Is it something silly I'm doing or an issue with OmniWeb? From fcorbett at comcast.net Wed Jan 5 14:01:42 2005 From: fcorbett at comcast.net (Forrest Corbett) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:35:55 2005 Subject: b5, workspaces still going bye-bye Message-ID: <620E235F-5F65-11D9-B0F3-0003934C5EA6@comcast.net> I'll seen the bad workspace off-list. Anyone else still having this problem? -Forrest From Piers.Walter at ilink.de Wed Jan 5 15:31:55 2005 From: Piers.Walter at ilink.de (Piers Uso Walter) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:35:55 2005 Subject: b5, workspaces still going bye-bye In-Reply-To: <620E235F-5F65-11D9-B0F3-0003934C5EA6@comcast.net> References: <620E235F-5F65-11D9-B0F3-0003934C5EA6@comcast.net> Message-ID: Am 5. Jan 2005 um 23:01 schrieb Forrest Corbett: > I'll seen the bad workspace off-list. Anyone else still having this > problem? If you refer to the problem of lost workspaces, then yes. 3-4 times per week (i.e. in about 50% of the times that I quit OmniWeb). With kind regards Piers -- Piers Uso Walter ilink Kommunikationssysteme GmbH From gumby at henkel-wallace.org Wed Jan 5 20:14:02 2005 From: gumby at henkel-wallace.org (DV Henkel-Wallace) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:35:55 2005 Subject: b5, workspaces still going bye-bye In-Reply-To: <620E235F-5F65-11D9-B0F3-0003934C5EA6@comcast.net> References: <620E235F-5F65-11D9-B0F3-0003934C5EA6@comcast.net> Message-ID: <65F008CC-5F99-11D9-B919-000D93C2E6CC@henkel-wallace.org> On 05 Jan 2005, at 14:01, Forrest Corbett wrote: > I'll seen the bad workspace off-list. Anyone else still having this > problem? Yes, often. I always save my workspaces before exiting (sequence: cmd-ctl-t, followed by, in the command line: cd Library/Application\ Support/OmniWeb\ 5/ ls <- to find the next number to use tar cf Workspaces.tar.X Workspaces <- where X is the next available number So far that has saved my religiously-acceptable-cured-protein. Otherwise, I also lose it about once per five exits. Of course I try to exit as little as possible, but the current beta crashes more than the others have. I have stopped reporting it. From ytl at hep.ucl.ac.uk Wed Jan 5 22:31:19 2005 From: ytl at hep.ucl.ac.uk (Yee-Ting Li) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:35:55 2005 Subject: downloading torrents Message-ID: <930D71E8-5FAC-11D9-9540-000D9331B4F8@hep.ucl.ac.uk> has anyone tried downloading any torrents from torrentspy or torrentreactor? in the former, all torrents are corrupt, whilst in the latter, they don't include the extension on the filename! (and is truncated to the first space character...) they work fine in safari... Yee. From fcorbett at comcast.net Wed Jan 5 22:35:06 2005 From: fcorbett at comcast.net (Forrest Corbett) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:35:55 2005 Subject: OW 5.1 Final Released Message-ID: <1A9B5537-5FAD-11D9-B0F3-0003934C5EA6@comcast.net> http://www.omnigroup.com/applications/omniweb/ From jakerobb at mac.com Thu Jan 6 03:54:51 2005 From: jakerobb at mac.com (Jake Robb) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:35:55 2005 Subject: OW 5.1 Final Released In-Reply-To: <1A9B5537-5FAD-11D9-B0F3-0003934C5EA6@comcast.net> Message-ID: Odd that you would discover that before Scott posted! Incidentally, I stopped using OW after the fourth time it lost all of my workspaces -- extremely frustrating! I have seen very little from Omni people regarding this issue. Since Scott hasn't posted any release notes, I must ask: has it been fixed? -Jake Forrest Corbett wrote: > http://www.omnigroup.com/applications/omniweb/ > > _______________________________________________ > OmniWeb-l mailing list > OmniWeb-l@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omniweb-l From mac at solweb.no Thu Jan 6 04:37:51 2005 From: mac at solweb.no (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Andreas_=C5kre_Solberg?=) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:35:55 2005 Subject: OW 5.1 Final Released In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Jan 6, 2005, at 12:54, Jake Robb wrote: > Since Scott hasn't posted any release notes, I > must ask: has it been fixed? The web page says; updated help files and copyright notice. -- Andreas ?kre Solberg Contact info and Public PGP Key available on: http://andreas.solweb.no/ From jakerobb at mac.com Thu Jan 6 06:21:12 2005 From: jakerobb at mac.com (Jake Robb) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:35:55 2005 Subject: OW 5.1 Final Released In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Indeed it does -- I discovered that shortly after posting. So am I correct to assume that the problem where OW "forgets" about all of your workspaces still exists? As intermittent as it is, I can see how it would be quite difficult to diagnose and debug, but nonetheless, it is a show-stopper for me. On my old, slower-every-day machine, persistent workspaces were one of the only things that made OW's speed deficit vs. Safari worthwhile. -Jake Andreas ?kre Solberg wrote: > > On Jan 6, 2005, at 12:54, Jake Robb wrote: > >> Since Scott hasn't posted any release notes, I >> must ask: has it been fixed? > > The web page says; updated help files and copyright notice. From chris at mymac.demon.co.uk Thu Jan 6 07:06:30 2005 From: chris at mymac.demon.co.uk (Chris Walker) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:35:55 2005 Subject: OmniWeb 5.1 and windows Message-ID: <20050106150630.14244@post.demon.co.uk> Hi all, For some reason on startup, OmniWeb 5.1 does not remember the size and position of the window at the last time it was used but reverts to a default. Can't find anywhere in the prefs to alter this. Is it normal behaviour or am I missing something? cheers, Chris From ace at tidbits.com Thu Jan 6 06:55:33 2005 From: ace at tidbits.com (Adam C. Engst) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:35:55 2005 Subject: iDisk pop up In-Reply-To: References: <20050104182833.29887@smtp.dsl.pipex.com> Message-ID: At 10:46 AM -0800 1/4/05, Paul Anderson wrote: >This iDisk popup window appears in the same way for me too. Yes, I have an >iDisk mounted; no, I don't run iSync at work. I can't think of why OmniWeb >has anything to do with my iDisk. Bookmark syncing to .Mac. Turn it off and the dialogs will go away. If I remember right, it happens when .Mac is being flaky, and the OW folks were aware of it and trying to work around. cheers... -Adam -- New Take Control ebooks! ........ http://www.tidbits.com/takecontrol/ Now covering Word 2004, Backups, Buying a Digicam, and GarageBand _____________________________________________________________________ Adam C. Engst: I publish TidBITS, write books, and make sure the ace@tidbits.com right people know each other in the Mac industry. Me: http://www.tidbits.com/adam/ TidBITS: http://www.tidbits.com/ From johnts at charter.net Thu Jan 6 07:53:44 2005 From: johnts at charter.net (John Tsombakos) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:35:56 2005 Subject: OmniWeb 5.1 and windows Message-ID: <3khdfd$fv32t3@mxip04a.cluster1.charter.net> > > From: "Chris Walker" > Date: 2005/01/06 Thu AM 10:06:30 EST > To: > Subject: OmniWeb 5.1 and windows > > Hi all, > > For some reason on startup, OmniWeb 5.1 does not remember the size and > position of the window at the last time it was used but reverts to a default. > > Can't find anywhere in the prefs to alter this. > > Is it normal behaviour or am I missing something? > > cheers, > > Chris Position and size the window the way you want, then go to the Window menu and choose Save Window Size. john From neil at thenonsuch.com Thu Jan 6 07:56:01 2005 From: neil at thenonsuch.com (Neil Lee) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:35:56 2005 Subject: OmniWeb 5.1 and windows In-Reply-To: <20050106150630.14244@post.demon.co.uk> References: <20050106150630.14244@post.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: <768B0B10-5FFB-11D9-AE87-000D93470524@thenonsuch.com> Le 06 janv. 2005, ? 10:06, Chris Walker a ?crit : > For some reason on startup, OmniWeb 5.1 does not remember the size and > position of the window at the last time it was used but reverts to a > default. Get the windows looking and positioned as you like 'em, then use the "Save Window Size" feature under the Windows menu to store this for future launches. Neil -- Slumming at the beatnikPad : http://www.beatnikpad.com/ The person you love is 72.8% water. From kc at omnigroup.com Thu Jan 6 08:22:55 2005 From: kc at omnigroup.com (Ken Case) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:35:56 2005 Subject: OW 5.1 Final Released In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <38BAD4A1-5FFF-11D9-826C-000D93294000@omnigroup.com> On Jan 6, 2005, at 6:21 AM, Jake Robb wrote: > So am I correct to assume that the problem where OW "forgets" about > all of your workspaces still exists? Apparently it does: when I saw the reports on the list yesterday I reopened bug #16421, but this was after we had frozen 5.1 for release. We didn't unfreeze 5.1 because this problem isn't a regression from 5.0--that is, it isn't new to 5.1--and we thought it was more important to get 5.1's other fixes (with the new WebCore, better caching, and bookmark synchronization fixes) out to all our customers. (Also, most of our users don't seem to encounter this problem. I know that I use Workspaces a _lot_ and I've never lost one.) This is our highest priority bug, however, and I'd love to collect more information so we can solve it. > As intermittent as it is, I can see how it would be quite difficult to > diagnose and debug, but nonetheless, it is a show-stopper for me. It would be for me, too! I contacted Piers yesterday to collect more information from him, but any information you could send me would be great, too. What I most need to know is when the workspace information is lost: in particular, is it lost when writing the file, or when reading it? (On quit, or on launch?) In an ideal world, I'd like a look at the workspace file just before it gets corrupt and just after, and exactly what happened between those states. If it's hard to collct that information manually, I can try adding some debugging tools to our next beta to collect that information (by saving off copies and writing to a log file each time it writes and reads). Ken From jakerobb at mac.com Thu Jan 6 08:39:37 2005 From: jakerobb at mac.com (Jake Robb) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:35:56 2005 Subject: OW 5.1 Final Released In-Reply-To: <38BAD4A1-5FFF-11D9-826C-000D93294000@omnigroup.com> Message-ID: The only information I have right now that might be helpful is that when you close OW, normally it takes a moment (possibly not a noticeable one on your G5?), which I assume is to write the active workspace's data to the file. If it takes this moment, you're OK. But once in a while, OW exits very quickly. On the next launch, all of the windows in that workspace will be gone! Based on that, I would suggest looking for possible points of failure early in the workspace file writing process triggered by a Quit. I will attempt to gather more information -- I hope what I have given is useful. If some logging and debugging code can be added, I would gladly run that version. -Jake Ken Case wrote: > On Jan 6, 2005, at 6:21 AM, Jake Robb wrote: >> So am I correct to assume that the problem where OW "forgets" about >> all of your workspaces still exists? > > Apparently it does: when I saw the reports on the list yesterday I > reopened bug #16421, but this was after we had frozen 5.1 for release. > We didn't unfreeze 5.1 because this problem isn't a regression from > 5.0--that is, it isn't new to 5.1--and we thought it was more important > to get 5.1's other fixes (with the new WebCore, better caching, and > bookmark synchronization fixes) out to all our customers. > > (Also, most of our users don't seem to encounter this problem. I know > that I use Workspaces a _lot_ and I've never lost one.) > > This is our highest priority bug, however, and I'd love to collect more > information so we can solve it. > >> As intermittent as it is, I can see how it would be quite difficult to >> diagnose and debug, but nonetheless, it is a show-stopper for me. > > It would be for me, too! I contacted Piers yesterday to collect more > information from him, but any information you could send me would be > great, too. > > What I most need to know is when the workspace information is lost: in > particular, is it lost when writing the file, or when reading it? (On > quit, or on launch?) In an ideal world, I'd like a look at the > workspace file just before it gets corrupt and just after, and exactly > what happened between those states. > > If it's hard to collct that information manually, I can try adding some > debugging tools to our next beta to collect that information (by saving > off copies and writing to a log file each time it writes and reads). > > Ken > From kc at omnigroup.com Thu Jan 6 08:50:04 2005 From: kc at omnigroup.com (Ken Case) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:35:56 2005 Subject: OW 5.1 Final Released In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <03A6CE53-6003-11D9-826C-000D93294000@omnigroup.com> On Jan 6, 2005, at 8:39 AM, Jake Robb wrote: > The only information I have right now that might be helpful is that > when you > close OW, normally it takes a moment (possibly not a noticeable one on > your > G5?), which I assume is to write the active workspace's data to the > file. > If it takes this moment, you're OK. But once in a while, OW exits very > quickly. On the next launch, all of the windows in that workspace > will be > gone! The next time OmniWeb quits very quickly and you suspect it lost its workspace, could you make a copy of it for me before you next launch the app? (Then, of course, please launch to confirm that it's gone.) If I could see one of these emptied workspace files, that might help me track down the problem. (I could see whether the file is completely truncated, or if it's just missing the information about the windows, or whatever.) It sounds like the workspace's snapshot also disappears? (This seems very odd, because we shouldn't be touching the existing workspace file until we've collected all of the new workspace's archive data, compressed it, and written it to a new file. At that point we rename the old file, replacing it with the new file, then remove the old file. So it sounds like the new file is somehow not written with the proper archive data, so I'm wondering what data it _does_ have in it.) > Based on that, I would suggest looking for possible points of failure > early in the workspace file writing process triggered by a Quit. I'll also do this. > I will attempt to gather more information -- I hope what I have given > is > useful. If some logging and debugging code can be added, I would > gladly run > that version. Yes, it's especially useful to know that you can predict when it's going to happen. I'll let you know if we create a special debugging build. Thanks! Ken From mailinglists at geeksrus.com Thu Jan 6 09:07:46 2005 From: mailinglists at geeksrus.com (Steven Riggins) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:35:56 2005 Subject: 5.2 request In-Reply-To: <03A6CE53-6003-11D9-826C-000D93294000@omnigroup.com> References: <03A6CE53-6003-11D9-826C-000D93294000@omnigroup.com> Message-ID: <7CBCFBC3-6005-11D9-8084-000A95AFE04A@geeksrus.com> I know this is in the bug database, but I'd really like OW to be smart about forms and passwords. My ISP has a form for logging in and i manage two sites with them. When I enter adminaccount1 or adminaccount2, OW always puts in adminaccount1's password. It does not match them up, like other browsers do. Steve From mailinglists at geeksrus.com Thu Jan 6 09:26:25 2005 From: mailinglists at geeksrus.com (Steven Riggins) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:35:56 2005 Subject: 5.2 request In-Reply-To: <7CBCFBC3-6005-11D9-8084-000A95AFE04A@geeksrus.com> References: <03A6CE53-6003-11D9-826C-000D93294000@omnigroup.com> <7CBCFBC3-6005-11D9-8084-000A95AFE04A@geeksrus.com> Message-ID: <17C11C06-6008-11D9-8084-000A95AFE04A@geeksrus.com> Oh and I forgot! Congrats on getting 5.1 out! From shrubberies at adelphia.net Thu Jan 6 09:30:35 2005 From: shrubberies at adelphia.net (shrubberies@adelphia.net) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:35:56 2005 Subject: 5.2 request/smart passwords In-Reply-To: <7CBCFBC3-6005-11D9-8084-000A95AFE04A@geeksrus.com> References: <03A6CE53-6003-11D9-826C-000D93294000@omnigroup.com> <7CBCFBC3-6005-11D9-8084-000A95AFE04A@geeksrus.com> Message-ID: OW populates the form after loading. When do the other browsers fill in the password, after you've entered your ID? How do these two ID/password keys appear in Keychain? -Paul On Jan 6, 2005, at 12:07 PM, Steven Riggins wrote: > I know this is in the bug database, but I'd really like OW to be smart > about forms and passwords. My ISP has a form for logging in and i > manage two sites with them. When I enter adminaccount1 or > adminaccount2, OW always puts in adminaccount1's password. It does > not match them up, like other browsers do. > > Steve > > _______________________________________________ > OmniWeb-l mailing list > OmniWeb-l@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omniweb-l > From mailinglists at geeksrus.com Thu Jan 6 09:39:13 2005 From: mailinglists at geeksrus.com (Steven Riggins) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:35:56 2005 Subject: 5.2 request/smart passwords In-Reply-To: References: <03A6CE53-6003-11D9-826C-000D93294000@omnigroup.com> <7CBCFBC3-6005-11D9-8084-000A95AFE04A@geeksrus.com> Message-ID: Firefox keeps it's own passwords, and changes the password every time I change the admin field (tabbing out of it) Safari appears to keep it's own passwords also, not in the keychain. Safari loads their form 20x slower than FF does (which could explain some of the form speed I see in OW, but that is a different post heh) However, safari loads with the last admin/password, but if I change the admin field, and press tab, then click login, it always logs in (ie it posts with the proper password) On Jan 6, 2005, at 9:30 AM, shrubberies@adelphia.net wrote: > OW populates the form after loading. When do the other browsers > fill in the password, after you've entered your ID? How do these two > ID/password keys appear in Keychain? > http://www.geeksrus.com/ From gumby at henkel-wallace.org Thu Jan 6 09:56:19 2005 From: gumby at henkel-wallace.org (DV Henkel-Wallace) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:35:56 2005 Subject: OW 5.1 Final Released In-Reply-To: <38BAD4A1-5FFF-11D9-826C-000D93294000@omnigroup.com> References: <38BAD4A1-5FFF-11D9-826C-000D93294000@omnigroup.com> Message-ID: <44D42E2A-600C-11D9-B919-000D93C2E6CC@henkel-wallace.org> On 06 Jan 2005, at 08:22, Ken Case wrote: > On Jan 6, 2005, at 6:21 AM, Jake Robb wrote: >> So am I correct to assume that the problem where OW "forgets" about >> all of your workspaces still exists? > Apparently it does:[...] > > What I most need to know is when the workspace information is lost: > in particular, is it lost when writing the file, or when reading it? > (On quit, or on launch?) In an ideal world, I'd like a look at the > workspace file just before it gets corrupt and just after, and exactly > what happened between those states. How can I tell which? My observation is like Jake's: by the time it happens it's too late. I just reflectively cmd-ctl-t all the time and have just added a cron job to copy my workspace every hour to /tmp. It only happens once in a while, but when it does, it's a real disaster! Crashes don't seem to have triggered it, though I only have been paying attention to this lately. By the way I haven't lost all my workspaces, only the currently active one. FWIW my machine has no "haxies" and in fact very few non-bundled applications installed, and only one (as far as I know) non-apple kext (for missing Sync). Extremely generic. -d From ace at tidbits.com Thu Jan 6 11:38:39 2005 From: ace at tidbits.com (Adam C. Engst) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:35:56 2005 Subject: 5.2 request In-Reply-To: <7CBCFBC3-6005-11D9-8084-000A95AFE04A@geeksrus.com> References: <03A6CE53-6003-11D9-826C-000D93294000@omnigroup.com> <7CBCFBC3-6005-11D9-8084-000A95AFE04A@geeksrus.com> Message-ID: At 9:07 AM -0800 1/6/05, Steven Riggins wrote: >I know this is in the bug database, but I'd really like OW to be smart >about forms and passwords. My ISP has a form for logging in and i >manage two sites with them. When I enter adminaccount1 or >adminaccount2, OW always puts in adminaccount1's password. It does not >match them up, like other browsers do. Yeah, this drives me up the wall too. I have a lot of possible logins on my Web Crossing system, but I can't figure out how to get OmniWeb to stop trying to auto-fill those I don't want in favor of the one I usually do. I've tried taking things out of the keychain as well, but no luck. cheers... -Adam -- New Take Control ebooks! ........ http://www.tidbits.com/takecontrol/ Now covering Word 2004, Backups, Buying a Digicam, and GarageBand _____________________________________________________________________ Adam C. Engst: I publish TidBITS, write books, and make sure the ace@tidbits.com right people know each other in the Mac industry. Me: http://www.tidbits.com/adam/ TidBITS: http://www.tidbits.com/ From list-omnigroup at fsck.net Thu Jan 6 11:49:20 2005 From: list-omnigroup at fsck.net (Eugene) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:35:56 2005 Subject: 5.2 request/smart passwords In-Reply-To: References: <03A6CE53-6003-11D9-826C-000D93294000@omnigroup.com> <7CBCFBC3-6005-11D9-8084-000A95AFE04A@geeksrus.com> Message-ID: <20050106194920.GS17972@Dark-Age.local> On Thu, Jan 06, 2005 at 09:39:13AM -0800, Steven Riggins wrote: : On Jan 6, 2005, at 9:30 AM, shrubberies@adelphia.net wrote: : : > OW populates the form after loading. When do the other browsers : >fill in the password, after you've entered your ID? How do these two : >ID/password keys appear in Keychain? : : Firefox keeps it's own passwords, and changes the password every time I : change the admin field (tabbing out of it) : : Safari appears to keep it's own passwords also, not in the keychain. : Safari loads their form 20x slower than FF does (which could explain : some of the form speed I see in OW, but that is a different post heh) : : However, safari loads with the last admin/password, but if I change the : admin field, and press tab, then click login, it always logs in (ie it : posts with the proper password) Feature request: I would love OW to include an additional icon in the status bar to indicate that the site has form fields that are saved in Keychain. -- Eugene Lee http://www.coxar.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/ From alastair at thebrix.org.uk Thu Jan 6 11:58:11 2005 From: alastair at thebrix.org.uk (Alastair Scott) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:35:56 2005 Subject: 5.2 request In-Reply-To: <7CBCFBC3-6005-11D9-8084-000A95AFE04A@geeksrus.com> Message-ID: Steven Riggins wrote: >I know this is in the bug database, but I'd really like OW to be smart >about forms and passwords. My ISP has a form for logging in and i >manage two sites with them. When I enter adminaccount1 or >adminaccount2, OW always puts in adminaccount1's password. It does >not match them up, like other browsers do. Since it is time to get in the feature requests ... ! I find the OW advertising filtering, although powerful in principle, rather fussy and awkward. A better solution is in Adblock: The URL filtering there is much more "obvious", without backslashes and full stops and whatnot; the import and export is a real boon too, as lists of matching expressions can be built up in a text editor then imported rather than laboriously entered one at a time (as with OW). Alastair From larkost at softhome.net Thu Jan 6 12:22:39 2005 From: larkost at softhome.net (Karl Kuehn) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:35:56 2005 Subject: 5.2 request In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Jan 6, 2005, at 2:58 PM, Alastair Scott wrote: > Since it is time to get in the feature requests ... ! To jump on the bandwagon: I am going to forgo my usual request for web-developer related things... I am just going to point at FireFox. With the web developer extension installed the only thin they lack is live editing of html. But I do have a frustration: I use the google shortcut all the time and find that I often spell it "googel". Eventually I get around to adding a "googel" shortcut on each machine I use, but before I wind up doing that, and when I mis-type it in any other way OmniWeb's behavior is really annoying. Rather than telling me that I typed something unintelligible and leaving it in the address bar for me to correct it completely erases what I typed and reverts it back to whatever the former contents were. This also happens when I click onto another window to lookup (or copy-paste) something that I need from another window. If the other window is in any other app I am fine, but if it is another OW window, then everything I typed is gone. A really cool method of solving this would be something that would try and match the keyword to something in my shortcuts, but that could get tough to get the UI right. A easier solution would be to just leave my mis-type in the address bar so that I can correct it. Karl Kuehn larkost@softhome.net From quentins at comclub.org Thu Jan 6 12:29:52 2005 From: quentins at comclub.org (Quentin Smith) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:35:56 2005 Subject: OW 5.1 Final Released In-Reply-To: <38BAD4A1-5FFF-11D9-826C-000D93294000@omnigroup.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 6 Jan 2005, Ken Case wrote: > (Also, most of our users don't seem to encounter this problem. I know > that I use Workspaces a _lot_ and I've never lost one.) Hi- You can add me to the list of users with this problem. > > This is our highest priority bug, however, and I'd love to collect more > information so we can solve it. > > > As intermittent as it is, I can see how it would be quite difficult to > > diagnose and debug, but nonetheless, it is a show-stopper for me. > > It would be for me, too! I contacted Piers yesterday to collect more > information from him, but any information you could send me would be > great, too. > > What I most need to know is when the workspace information is lost: in > particular, is it lost when writing the file, or when reading it? (On > quit, or on launch?) In an ideal world, I'd like a look at the > workspace file just before it gets corrupt and just after, and exactly > what happened between those states. The problem I have is that sometimes my workspace isn't saved on quit, even though I have the Auto-save checkbox turned on. The symptom is that the workspace is blank when I restart the browser. I find that it occurs often when I use the Quit menu item, but almost never when I'm restarting the browser after a crash. I have not checked whether the workspace is being written to the disk or not. I have found one way that almost always seems to cause a blank workspace to appear on launch: 1. Take a snapshot of the workspace with command-control-T. 2. Immediately quit the program with command-Q. If I do anything to the workspace in between the two steps, such as opening a new tab or navigating a page, I don't have problems. --Quentin Quentin Smith - http://www.comclub.org/~quentins/about ComClub International - http://www.comclub.org/ quentins@comclub.org qesmith@lacademy.edu As we enjoy great advantages from inventions of others, we should be glad of an opportunity to serve others by any invention of ours; and this we should do freely and generously. - Benjamin Franklin From crscott at newsguy.com Thu Jan 6 12:33:08 2005 From: crscott at newsguy.com (Chris Scott) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:35:56 2005 Subject: Cannot get audio on website to play Message-ID: This is an NPR story on the rumor/anticipation of a "headless mac". When I click on the "listen" link, nothing happens. Does it work for anyone else? What am I missing? Thanks. -- ___________________________________ Chris Scott Connolly & Castagna, L.L.P. 4611 Bee Cave Road, Suite 201 Austin, Texas 78746 Direct: 512.329.1006 Main: 512.329.3290 Fax: 512.329.3222 From lists at binkabi.info Thu Jan 6 12:36:02 2005 From: lists at binkabi.info (Steve Lianoglou) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:35:56 2005 Subject: 5.2 request/smart passwords In-Reply-To: References: <03A6CE53-6003-11D9-826C-000D93294000@omnigroup.com> <7CBCFBC3-6005-11D9-8084-000A95AFE04A@geeksrus.com> Message-ID: <41DDA132.3090801@binkabi.info> Steven Riggins wrote: > Firefox keeps it's own passwords, and changes the password every time I > change the admin field (tabbing out of it) You know what's funny about that is that Mozilla (SeaMonkey ... the entier suite, whatever you want to call it) actually saves multiple accounts for one site and if you have more than one it drops down a little window/widget that asks you to pick one. Ok, maybe not funny, but peculiar since the both share so much of the same codebase. I never knew that if you type an alternate login w/ safari it will populate the password field w/ the corresponding password (is that what you meatn) .... very insteresting. -steve From budjens at comcast.net Thu Jan 6 12:41:00 2005 From: budjens at comcast.net (Bud Jenschke) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:35:56 2005 Subject: OmniWeb-l Info Page Message-ID: <465AF472-6023-11D9-8F95-0003933E2DA0@comcast.net> I haven't been able to find the answers to two questions: 1. How do I delete a bookmark from a Collection? 2. How do I arrange bookmarks in a Collection in any order I specify? Thanks. From skd at columbus.rr.com Thu Jan 6 13:11:24 2005 From: skd at columbus.rr.com (Steve Dieringer) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:35:56 2005 Subject: OW 5.1 Final Released In-Reply-To: <03A6CE53-6003-11D9-826C-000D93294000@omnigroup.com> References: <03A6CE53-6003-11D9-826C-000D93294000@omnigroup.com> Message-ID: <85B2008B-6027-11D9-8E6C-0003938ACCEE@columbus.rr.com> I've lost workspaces (at least three times) - twice after kernel panics and another time after I 'pulled the plug' due to a perpetual spinning beachball in some other program. I haven't _always_ lost workspaces after such instances but I do recall the three... Steve On Jan 6, 2005, at 11:50 AM, Ken Case wrote: > On Jan 6, 2005, at 8:39 AM, Jake Robb wrote: >> The only information I have right now that might be helpful is that >> when you >> close OW, normally it takes a moment (possibly not a noticeable one >> on your >> G5?), which I assume is to write the active workspace's data to the >> file. >> If it takes this moment, you're OK. But once in a while, OW exits >> very >> quickly. On the next launch, all of the windows in that workspace >> will be >> gone! > > The next time OmniWeb quits very quickly and you suspect it lost its > workspace, could you make a copy of it for me before you next launch > the app? (Then, of course, please launch to confirm that it's gone.) > If I could see one of these emptied workspace files, that might help > me track down the problem. (I could see whether the file is > completely truncated, or if it's just missing the information about > the windows, or whatever.) > > It sounds like the workspace's snapshot also disappears? > > (This seems very odd, because we shouldn't be touching the existing > workspace file until we've collected all of the new workspace's > archive data, compressed it, and written it to a new file. At that > point we rename the old file, replacing it with the new file, then > remove the old file. So it sounds like the new file is somehow not > written with the proper archive data, so I'm wondering what data it > _does_ have in it.) > >> Based on that, I would suggest looking for possible points of failure >> early in the workspace file writing process triggered by a Quit. > > I'll also do this. > >> I will attempt to gather more information -- I hope what I have given >> is >> useful. If some logging and debugging code can be added, I would >> gladly run >> that version. > > Yes, it's especially useful to know that you can predict when it's > going to happen. I'll let you know if we create a special debugging > build. > > Thanks! > Ken > > _______________________________________________ > OmniWeb-l mailing list > OmniWeb-l@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omniweb-l > From mac at steveandmimi.com Thu Jan 6 13:57:32 2005 From: mac at steveandmimi.com (Steve Nicholson) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:35:56 2005 Subject: Cannot get audio on website to play In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Go to Site Preferences and set "Block Pop-Up Windows" to "Never" or "Only when not requested" -Steve On Jan 6, 2005, at 12:33 PM, Chris Scott wrote: > > > This is an NPR story on the rumor/anticipation of a "headless mac". > When I click on the "listen" link, nothing happens. > > Does it work for anyone else? What am I missing? From trodemaster at gmail.com Thu Jan 6 15:55:03 2005 From: trodemaster at gmail.com (Blake Garner) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:35:56 2005 Subject: downloading torrents In-Reply-To: <930D71E8-5FAC-11D9-9540-000D9331B4F8@hep.ucl.ac.uk> References: <930D71E8-5FAC-11D9-9540-000D9331B4F8@hep.ucl.ac.uk> Message-ID: <55a5c7c50501061555508a7ed2@mail.gmail.com> I have also had this problem with other torrent sites. It seems that the file download mechanism confuses omniweb. The links hide the actual file from being downloaded directly. I always end up with files that contain 1/3 of the total data. On Thu, 6 Jan 2005 06:31:19 +0000, Yee-Ting Li wrote: > has anyone tried downloading any torrents from torrentspy or > torrentreactor? in the former, all torrents are corrupt, whilst in the > latter, they don't include the extension on the filename! (and is > truncated to the first space character...) > > they work fine in safari... > > Yee. > > _______________________________________________ > OmniWeb-l mailing list > OmniWeb-l@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omniweb-l > From trodemaster at gmail.com Thu Jan 6 15:57:36 2005 From: trodemaster at gmail.com (Blake Garner) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:35:56 2005 Subject: Adobe Acrobat Browser Plugin In-Reply-To: <15866058-53C7-11D9-BC8A-000D9335B6B6@n9yty.com> References: <15866058-53C7-11D9-BC8A-000D9335B6B6@n9yty.com> Message-ID: <55a5c7c505010615577ba908f9@mail.gmail.com> The acrobat 7 plugin adds some frameworks to safari. But even after coping these frameworks over omniweb complains that the plugin is invalid.. On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 21:10:50 -0600, Steven Palm wrote: > Is it just screwed up on my system, or does OmniWeb beta 5 have some > weird problem with the newly released Adobe Acrobat 7 plugin? > > Safari works great with it, but OmniWeb won't use it and the Plugins > pane in the preferences says it is invalid. > > _______________________________________________ > OmniWeb-l mailing list > OmniWeb-l@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omniweb-l > From clytie at riverland.net.au Thu Jan 6 21:06:01 2005 From: clytie at riverland.net.au (Clytie Siddall) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:35:56 2005 Subject: default keyboard? Message-ID: Hi guys :) I haven't been able to keep up with the list recently, crook again (me, not it :) ), but my OW beta did announce the full release, so that's definitely something to celebrate! My current problem is with keyboard layout choice. I haven't previously had much reason to use my Vietnamese (Unicode) keyboard layout in OW, which I use constantly elsewhere, because so few sites support Unicode input. However, I've started doing some voluntary translating in an online translation site called Rosetta, part of the Ubuntu Linux community: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RosettaReleaseAnnouncement (general site) https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/rosetta/ (input location, may ask for login, though) and for every new string, and often within one string, I have to keep changing back to my Vietnamese keyboard. It persistently defaults back to the Australian English keyboard, probably because it's an English-based install, no Vietnamese-based install being available for Mac. So I waste a lot of time deleting what I've written, changing keyboards again and retyping it. It's really aggravating. (I already have Vietnamese set as my preferred language, and Google, for example, now presents in Vietnamese, which is great.) Is there any way I can set my Vietnamese Unicode keyboard as the default one, system-wide, or just for OW? I realize this is probably not a OW problem, but I thought I'd ask, just in case that super-configurable browser has even more tools in its set. :) from Clytie Clytie Siddall -- Renmark, in the Riverland of South Australia From quinon at rio.odn.ne.jp Fri Jan 7 04:45:02 2005 From: quinon at rio.odn.ne.jp (Kino) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:35:56 2005 Subject: default keyboard? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 7 Jan 2005, at 14:06, Clytie Siddall wrote: > and for every new string, and often within one string, I have to keep > changing back to my Vietnamese keyboard. It persistently defaults back > to the Australian English keyboard, probably because it's an > English-based install, no Vietnamese-based install being available for > Mac. Presumably because OS X requires at least a Roman keyboard layout to be enabled. This is a really annoying and stupid feature. For many non-MacRoman users, either pure ASCII is sufficient or MacRoman character set is too poor. > So I waste a lot of time deleting what I've written, changing > keyboards again and retyping it. It's really aggravating. > > (I already have Vietnamese set as my preferred language, and Google, > for example, now presents in Vietnamese, which is great.) > > Is there any way I can set my Vietnamese Unicode keyboard as the > default one, system-wide, or just for OW? A workaround is to create a Vietnamese keyboard layout which is treated as Roman. I.e. set keyboard group to 0 and set id to a number between 0 and 16383. Are you using Vietnamese keyboard layout coming with OS X? If so,... 1. Download 2. Expand it and put VietnameseRoman.bundle in /Users/you/Library/Keyboard Layouts (If you don't have the folder, just create it) 3. Log out and log in; 4. Open System Preferences => International => Input Menu and check Vietnamese Roman (Roman script); If you don't notice any problem, you can move it into '/Library/Keyboard Layouts' so that it will be available to all users. As it is treated as a Roman keyboard layout, you can use it in any application. Note however that non-MacRoman characters (so called Unicode characters) will be ignored in non Unicode apps. Perhaps it may not work well with Carbon Unicode apps like Word. Kino From mark_hilton at mac.com Fri Jan 7 06:44:48 2005 From: mark_hilton at mac.com (Mark R. Hilton) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:35:56 2005 Subject: These don't load In-Reply-To: <200501062000.j06K0wZT003705@slowbro.omnigroup.com> References: <200501062000.j06K0wZT003705@slowbro.omnigroup.com> Message-ID: <20050107224448280409.GyazMail.mark_hilton@mac.com> Hi all, Do you have problems loading this photo for instance. Comes from a thread on a photographic forum, but I never get the photos from this site, or rather I get a very small portion of the photo at the top and then a grey block for the rest. Happens with all photos on this website. http://www.webalice.it/francescoraffaele/web-page/Fra/V-Fortore_P1000332b.jpg Safari, loaded the first few lines and then just smeared them over the rest of the frame, but on clicking "reload" did it properly. That doesn't work with OW. I still just get the first bit and then a grey block. Yours Mark From renault.john at crog.org Fri Jan 7 06:50:02 2005 From: renault.john at crog.org (Renault John) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:35:56 2005 Subject: These don't load In-Reply-To: <20050107224448280409.GyazMail.mark_hilton@mac.com> References: <200501062000.j06K0wZT003705@slowbro.omnigroup.com> <20050107224448280409.GyazMail.mark_hilton@mac.com> Message-ID: <699A9301-60BB-11D9-8291-000D935216C2@crog.org> Hi, It's working with my OmniWeb 5.1 and safari. Maybe the problem is elsewhere. Cheers, Renault On Jan 7, 2005, at 15:44, Mark R. Hilton wrote: > Hi all, > > Do you have problems loading this photo for instance. Comes from a > thread on a photographic forum, but I never get the photos from this > site, or rather I get a very small portion of the photo at the top and > then a grey block for the rest. Happens with all photos on this > website. > > http://www.webalice.it/francescoraffaele/web-page/Fra/V- > Fortore_P1000332b.jpg > > Safari, loaded the first few lines and then just smeared them over the > rest of the frame, but on clicking "reload" did it properly. That > doesn't work with OW. I still just get the first bit and then a grey > block. > > Yours > Mark > _______________________________________________ > OmniWeb-l mailing list > OmniWeb-l@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omniweb-l > From larkost at softhome.net Fri Jan 7 06:55:16 2005 From: larkost at softhome.net (Karl Kuehn) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:35:56 2005 Subject: These don't load In-Reply-To: <20050107224448280409.GyazMail.mark_hilton@mac.com> References: <200501062000.j06K0wZT003705@slowbro.omnigroup.com> <20050107224448280409.GyazMail.mark_hilton@mac.com> Message-ID: <24A19CCC-60BC-11D9-AE8E-000A95CE7736@softhome.net> Usually this means that the site has a time limit for connections. If your network connection is slow enough that it can't grab the whole image in the time alloted the web server simply cuts the connection, and you get a partial image. Since the JPEG headers contain the image dimensions when this happens the rest of the image is filled in with a filler color (grey). It would be nice if OmniWeb would remember this and support resuming the file transfer (I usually see this on Apache installations that have been heavily tweaked... and Apache supports http resumes) but I don't see it being a high priority issue. When I was on a dial-up connection I just downloaded the images I needed to see onto a remote server (curl over ssh into a web directory) and then viewed the images from that server. Annoying, but it worked. Karl Kuehn larkost@softhome.net On Jan 7, 2005, at 9:44 AM, Mark R. Hilton wrote: > Do you have problems loading this photo for instance. Comes from a > thread on a photographic forum, but I never get the photos from this > site, or rather I get a very small portion of the photo at the top and > then a grey block for the rest. Happens with all photos on this > website. > > http://www.webalice.it/francescoraffaele/web-page/Fra/V- > Fortore_P1000332b.jpg > > Safari, loaded the first few lines and then just smeared them over the > rest of the frame, but on clicking "reload" did it properly. That > doesn't work with OW. I still just get the first bit and then a grey > block. From fsvwbug at yahoo.com Fri Jan 7 08:53:06 2005 From: fsvwbug at yahoo.com (Frank) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:35:56 2005 Subject: Fwd: Re: 5.2 request Message-ID: <20050107105306845535.GyazMail.fsvwbug@yahoo.com> I'm thinking that I agree with Alastair. I've noticed that since I tweaked Camino with a custom css to block the most common ads, I've moved back to Camino. I am no good with regular expressions and I just can't seem to filter what I want filtered in OW. I've never been able to block the "header images" on the My.Yahoo page, no matter what I've tried. And so, I end up back with Camino. (I support OW by being a paying customer, tho.) I really wish OW's filtering were easier to use. ----- Begin forwarded message ----- I find the OW advertising filtering, although powerful in principle, rather fussy and awkward. A better solution is in Adblock: ---------- Frank S Shamanism as Spiritual Practice http://www.CenterforShamanicPractices.com "Shamanic practice is not a sharing of method ... it is the opportunity to be connected to the Heart of the Light" From crscott at newsguy.com Fri Jan 7 09:46:52 2005 From: crscott at newsguy.com (Chris Scott) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:35:56 2005 Subject: How to work with saved workspaces? Message-ID: Someone asked this question a few days ago, and I waited with great interest but never saw a reply. How do you save workspaces? And what's the difference between that and taking a snapshot? Thanks. -- ___________________________________ Chris Scott Connolly & Castagna, L.L.P. 4611 Bee Cave Road, Suite 201 Austin, Texas 78746 Direct: 512.329.1006 Main: 512.329.3290 Fax: 512.329.3222 From kc at omnigroup.com Fri Jan 7 10:28:49 2005 From: kc at omnigroup.com (Ken Case) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:35:56 2005 Subject: How to work with saved workspaces? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Jan 7, 2005, at 9:46 AM, Chris Scott wrote: > How do you save workspaces? And what's the difference between that > and taking a snapshot? The simple answer is that you don't ever save workspaces, you simply use them, just like you might use playlists in iTunes. You can configure them to auto-save their windows (if you'd like a workspace to reopen those windows after you quit), and you can take a snapshot of a specific configuration to which you can return later (possibly after you quit), but they're not something you explicitly "save." You can also create new empty workspaces, and you can start using those and put new windows in them. (Again, think of those iTunes playlists.) You can move windows from one workspace to another by dragging them in the Workspaces window (much like dragging some songs into a new playlist) if you don't want to have to set up those windows again. I do think it would be nice if you could duplicate workspaces, easily copy an entire workspace's set of windows into the current workspace, etc. In fact, if we were to do this right we could probably eliminate the need for snapshots (which, while useful, seem unnecessarily awkward to use at the moment). Ken From superhancpetram at earthlink.net Fri Jan 7 11:34:45 2005 From: superhancpetram at earthlink.net (Peter Nicholson) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:35:56 2005 Subject: 5.2 request In-Reply-To: <20050107105306845535.GyazMail.fsvwbug@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2FC1456B-60E3-11D9-801F-00306552A45E@earthlink.net> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Frank, I'm not certain that this will do what you want, mainly because I have over 20 ad-killing expressions with no way that I know of to test any of them on their own without deleting the lot and then re-entering each one (having checkboxes to enable / disable each individual expression would be nice, OW guys!) -- but adding this string to OW's adblock prefs has blocked all Yahoo ad content site-wide, as far as I can tell: .*\.a1\.yimg\..* Fwiw, the easiest way I've found to create new ad filters** is to option-click (/ right-click / whatever pops your menu) on the offending article (or preferably several from the same page / site, so you have a good-sized sample), and choose Image/Filter Image. Then I open OW AdBlock Preferences and take a look at the Blocked URLs list. For example, on www.nytimes.com most or all of the ad content comes from "www.nytimes.com/adx/randomstringofcharactersblahblahblah". Instead of trying to figure out the proper regex format to block anything emanating from that specific directory, I just use ".*adx.*" as the string to block. Note that this gives me problems with 'adx.com' or 'bADXray.gif' or anything containing that string, but it's as close to keyword blocking as OW gets. In short, pick your list of 'evil' words; 'doubleclick', 'ads', 'advertising' etc; put '.*' on the front and end to match that word appearing in any context, and you've got the smashing-flies-with-a-sledgehammer method of adblocking. Peter ** I've tried privoxy and squid as well; if I had a fixed location, broadband, and a faster machine I'd probably use one or both of them esp. as they work regardless of which browser I'm running; but for my setup, a G3 Powerbook and dialup, the decrease in speed coupled with having to disable or reconfigure their filter settings ever time I switched from home to work made them impractical. On Friday, Jan 7, 2005, at 11:53 US/Eastern, Frank wrote: > I've noticed that since I tweaked Camino with a custom css to block the > most common ads, I've moved back to Camino. I am no good with regular > expressions and I just can't seem to filter what I want filtered in > OW. I've never been able to block the "header images" on the My.Yahoo > page, no matter what I've tried. And so, I end up back with Camino. > (I support OW by being a paying customer, tho.) Peter Nicholson superhancpetram@earthlink.net -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (Darwin) iD8DBQFB3uRru0SFtnUO0+gRAoFmAKCAnK0b5OmTpeGsRWsF3M5Go9fuQACgxjep s0JSbhuqcd2iKbq2w22lsvs= =fgGl -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From fsvwbug at yahoo.com Fri Jan 7 11:42:00 2005 From: fsvwbug at yahoo.com (Frank) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:35:56 2005 Subject: 5.2 request In-Reply-To: <2FC1456B-60E3-11D9-801F-00306552A45E@earthlink.net> References: <2FC1456B-60E3-11D9-801F-00306552A45E@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20050107134200680013.GyazMail.fsvwbug@yahoo.com> Wow ... Thanks! I am deep in the midst of syllabi for next semester . I will check these out with many thanks. On Fri, 7 Jan 2005 14:34:45 -0500, Peter Nicholson wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Frank, > > I'm not certain that this will do what you want, mainly because I > have over 20 ad-killing expressions with no way that I know of to > test any of them on their own without deleting the lot and then > re-entering each one (having checkboxes to enable / disable each > individual expression would be nice, OW guys!) -- but adding this > string to OW's adblock prefs has blocked all Yahoo ad content > site-wide, as far as I can tell: > > .*\.a1\.yimg\..* > > Fwiw, the easiest way I've found to create new ad filters** is to > option-click (/ right-click / whatever pops your menu) on the > offending article (or preferably several from the same page / site, > so you have a good-sized sample), and choose Image/Filter Image. Then > I open OW AdBlock Preferences and take a look at the Blocked URLs > list. > > For example, on www.nytimes.com most or all of the ad content comes > from "www.nytimes.com/adx/randomstringofcharactersblahblahblah". > Instead of trying to figure out the proper regex format to block > anything emanating from that specific directory, I just use ".*adx.*" > as the string to block. Note that this gives me problems with > 'adx.com' or 'bADXray.gif' or anything containing that string, but > it's as close to keyword blocking as OW gets. > > In short, pick your list of 'evil' words; 'doubleclick', 'ads', > 'advertising' etc; put '.*' on the front and end to match that word > appearing in any context, and you've got the > smashing-flies-with-a-sledgehammer method of adblocking. > > Peter > > ** I've tried privoxy and squid as well; if I had a fixed location, > broadband, and a faster machine I'd probably use one or both of them > esp. as they work regardless of which browser I'm running; but for my > setup, a G3 Powerbook and dialup, the decrease in speed coupled with > having to disable or reconfigure their filter settings ever time I > switched from home to work made them impractical. > > On Friday, Jan 7, 2005, at 11:53 US/Eastern, Frank wrote: > >> I've noticed that since I tweaked Camino with a custom css to block the >> most common ads, I've moved back to Camino. I am no good with regular >> expressions and I just can't seem to filter what I want filtered in >> OW. I've never been able to block the "header images" on the My.Yahoo >> page, no matter what I've tried. And so, I end up back with Camino. >> (I support OW by being a paying customer, tho.) > > > Peter Nicholson > superhancpetram@earthlink.net > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (Darwin) > > iD8DBQFB3uRru0SFtnUO0+gRAoFmAKCAnK0b5OmTpeGsRWsF3M5Go9fuQACgxjep > s0JSbhuqcd2iKbq2w22lsvs= > =fgGl > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > ---------- Frank S Shamanism as Spiritual Practice http://www.CenterforShamanicPractices.com "Shamanic practice is not a sharing of method ... it is the opportunity to be connected to the Heart of the Light" From alastair at thebrix.org.uk Fri Jan 7 12:19:48 2005 From: alastair at thebrix.org.uk (Alastair Scott) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:35:56 2005 Subject: Adobe Acrobat Browser Plugin In-Reply-To: <55a5c7c505010615577ba908f9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Blake Garner wrote: >The acrobat 7 plugin adds some frameworks to safari. >But even after coping these frameworks over omniweb complains >that the plugin is invalid.. Having struggled (on both Mac and PC) with Adobe browser plugins in the past my advice is to ignore it and install the Schubert IT one instead: http://www.schubert-it.com/pluginpdf/ It is _far_ superior to any behemoth Adobe comes up with! Alastair From superhancpetram at earthlink.net Fri Jan 7 12:31:18 2005 From: superhancpetram at earthlink.net (Peter Nicholson) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:35:56 2005 Subject: load full-length articles from nytimes.com Message-ID: <160A10E8-60EB-11D9-801F-00306552A45E@earthlink.net> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I was browsing the Firefox extensions site last month and noticed that there's a add-on available that automatically loads the full-length articles on nytimes.com (ie loads longer articles in 'Single-Page Format' rather than the nytimes default, which is to show page one and then having me click & reload). I though, "Surely OW can do that too, and in less than the 5.1kb of the FF extension!" But then I couldn't come up with a way to do it. Here's a sample URL for first page of a multi-page article: http://www.nytimes.com/2005/01/07/arts/07sala.html and here's the URL for the same article after choosing Single-Page Format: http://www.nytimes.com/2005/01/07/arts/ 07sala.html?pagewanted=all&position= So what I'm wanting to do is simply to automatically append "?pagewanted=all&position=" to the end of all pages I request from nytimes.com. I can't get it to work as a OW Shortcut, because I'm clicking on article titles rather than typing them in. Does anybody know of or have a way to do this? ("Switch to FireFox", while technically correct, is not a valid answer.) If there are any CSS gurus out there, is it something that I could do with CSS? Further down the same track: I thought OW had a pref option to choose a custom style sheet, but I couldn't locate it just now in any of the pref panes. Maybe it's a Safari thing. Does OW have a default CSS file; and if so, where is it kept? Peter Nicholson superhancpetram@earthlink.net -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (Darwin) iD8DBQFB3vGau0SFtnUO0+gRAl1EAKCt1G3yi24AAmW5LS30V+9gDKUvOQCggNJ5 2AUUDqts7FwMKV0pqr1NLvo= =J9Bm -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From gumby at henkel-wallace.org Fri Jan 7 13:23:23 2005 From: gumby at henkel-wallace.org (DV Henkel-Wallace) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:35:56 2005 Subject: 5.2 request In-Reply-To: <2FC1456B-60E3-11D9-801F-00306552A45E@earthlink.net> References: <2FC1456B-60E3-11D9-801F-00306552A45E@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <5CAA685E-60F2-11D9-AA71-000D93C2E6CC@henkel-wallace.org> On 07 Jan 2005, at 11:34, Peter Nicholson wrote: > > ** I've tried privoxy and squid as well; if I had a fixed location, > broadband, and a faster machine I'd probably use one or both of them > esp. as they work regardless of which browser I'm running; but for my > setup, a G3 Powerbook and dialup, the decrease in speed coupled with > having to disable or reconfigure their filter settings ever time I > switched from home to work made them impractical. You can run them on your local machine, by the way. From orb at jump.net Fri Jan 7 14:53:38 2005 From: orb at jump.net (Norman Richards) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:35:56 2005 Subject: multiple workspace Message-ID: I'm evaluating omniweb and I have a question about workspaces. Is it possible to keep multiple workspaces open? When I hit F2, for example, to get to my second workspace, the windows my first workspace goes away. I can't really imagine how that would be a good behavior in any environment, but it's particularly annoying for me running with codetek virtual desktop. I'd like to be able to keep one workspace open on one desktop and another on another. Right now it just doesn't seem possible. Am I missing something? Maybe a more common example would be a two monitor situation. I wouldn't normally want my omniweb windows on disappear on the second display just because I changed the workspace on the window in the first display. I really want to send in my $30 because I love the way omniweb looks and works, but not being able to use multiple windows effectively is a huge problem. Any suggestions here on how to make omniweb work? From lists at binkabi.info Fri Jan 7 15:00:06 2005 From: lists at binkabi.info (Steve Lianoglou) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:35:56 2005 Subject: multiple workspace In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <41DF1476.1080802@binkabi.info> Norman Richards wrote: > I'm evaluating omniweb and I have a question about workspaces. Is it > possible to keep multiple workspaces open? When I hit F2, for example, > to get to my second workspace, the windows my first workspace goes > away. I can't really imagine how that would be a good behavior in any > environment, but it's particularly annoying for me running with codetek > virtual desktop. I'd imagine it would be particularly good when the user does not have virtual desktops so they can switch from one 'view' to another quickly (just like you do w/ virtual desktops) ... if you only have one screen and one desktop, it's really rather nice. I don't really know if there is a way to keep two workspaces open at the same time (as I'm also a new user), but if not, your idea is a good one and perhaps have omniweb react to the traditional option key modifier to switch to a new workspace and close the current one (or vice versa, or something). -steve From omniweb at hicksdesign.co.uk Fri Jan 7 15:52:23 2005 From: omniweb at hicksdesign.co.uk (Jon Hicks) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:35:56 2005 Subject: How to work with saved workspaces? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2CF43579-6107-11D9-9F1A-0003939BCF96@hicksdesign.co.uk> > How do you save workspaces? There isn't a way of saving a current setup as workspace as such, but you can just create a new workspace and rename the old one - as long as you have 'auto save while browsing' ticked. So if you're in your 'default' workspace and have a group of tabs you want to save as a separate workspace, just create a new one called default, and rename the previous one. > And what's the difference between that and taking a snapshot? A snapshot is a state that you want to be able to revert to. For example, I have a workspace with my site statistics and technorati profile, with a snapshot saved with just those two tabs. From these I open lots of links in tabs to find out who's linking to me, and then when I'm done I 'Restore Snapshot' and I'm back to those 2 tabs again. I'm sure there are more useful examples of how to use snaphots though. I hope that makes sense! Cheers, Jon ----------------------------------------------- // hicksdesign 10 pine rise / witney / oxon / OX28 1EY / uk T: +44 (0)1993 848 552* F: 0871 733 4594 (uk only) (*office closed on Fridays) Portfolio, blog & downloads: http://www.hicksdesign.co.uk ------------------------------------------------ On 7 Jan 2005, at 17:46, Chris Scott wrote: > Someone asked this question a few days ago, and I waited with great > interest but never saw a reply. > > How do you save workspaces? And what's the difference between that > and taking a snapshot? > > Thanks. > > > > > -- > > ___________________________________ > > Chris Scott > Connolly & Castagna, L.L.P. > 4611 Bee Cave Road, Suite 201 > Austin, Texas 78746 > > Direct: 512.329.1006 > Main: 512.329.3290 > Fax: 512.329.3222 > _______________________________________________ > OmniWeb-l mailing list > OmniWeb-l@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omniweb-l > From jimwg at mac.com Fri Jan 7 18:11:42 2005 From: jimwg at mac.com (James W.Greenidge) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:35:56 2005 Subject: Off-line Cache Reading/Pruning Request Plus In-Reply-To: <200501072000.j07K0fZT006113@slowbro.omnigroup.com> References: <200501072000.j07K0fZT006113@slowbro.omnigroup.com> Message-ID: Happy New Year! I just registered for an OmniWeb license, so we'll see how far my defection from Firefox goes! One feature I miss from iCab which OW ought try is off-line history cache reading, even after you quit OW and come back in off-line. You can literally save and review off-line an entire web page which you've previously surfed thru in iCab. Pretty please, OmniWeb dudes? Maybe OW fans can order the mother Starbucks over there to deliver you guys some fancy java as a little treat inducement, eh? Icing on the cake would be the ability to actually prune unwanted specific pages within your cache. Another nice option would be to omit display of favicons on the Favorites bar. Programmable hot-keys for things like open new page as background tab, etc. This one is mostly whimsical: the ability to scale the size of a window's contents like a magnifier or shrinker. Another whimsical one, but not sure if it's in a browser's domain: The ability to create/record auto-scripts/macros to log-in, open and check in-boxes of non-POP Mail services like .Mail and Yahoo and others. Automatic Safari/OW bookmark synchronization (including histories?). Haven't checked to see if it's already featured, but the ability to change OW tool bar icons or themes. Create thumbnails for images dragged from a window and onto the desktop. Keyboard-less mouse-button only contextual-menu type pop-up menus with OW commands and options. Ability to capture an entire web page down to X-levels. *** Keep up the great work! James Greenidge From ritch at mac.com Fri Jan 7 18:46:42 2005 From: ritch at mac.com (Tom Ritch) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:35:56 2005 Subject: multiple workspace In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <874FEA58-611F-11D9-82F1-000393516742@mac.com> On Jan 7, 2005, at 2:53 PM, Norman Richards wrote: > I'm evaluating omniweb and I have a question about workspaces. Is it > possible to keep multiple workspaces open? No > When I hit F2, for example, to get to my second workspace, the windows > my first workspace goes away. I can't really imagine how that would > be a good behavior in any environment, but it's particularly annoying > for me running with codetek virtual desktop. I'd like to be able to > keep one workspace open on one desktop and another on another. Right > now it just doesn't seem possible. Am I missing something? Maybe, but you are correct that only one workspace may be open at once. > Maybe a more common example would be a two monitor situation. I > wouldn't normally want my omniweb windows on disappear on the second > display just because I changed the workspace on the window in the > first display This would require being able to open two workspaces at once which is not now possible. Multiple workspaces open at once is a good feature which I requested some time ago. It would also be useful to allow differing combinations of interests to be used. For example, I would like to be able to keep open my Stocks workspace with either my Mac Sites or Newspapers workspace. Unfortunately that is not possible now. > I really want to send in my $30 because I love the way omniweb looks > and works, but not being able to use multiple windows effectively is > a huge problem. Any suggestions here on how to make omniweb work? Each workspace can have multiple windows open at once. Each window can have multiple tabs. In the Workspaces window you can transfer windows from one workspace to another. OmniWeb has a lot of features that are not immediately apparent. Keep playing around with it and I predict soon you will happily be $30 poorer. ;-) Tom From katz at cs.millersville.edu Fri Jan 7 19:52:17 2005 From: katz at cs.millersville.edu (Beth Katz) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:35:56 2005 Subject: multiple workspace In-Reply-To: <874FEA58-611F-11D9-82F1-000393516742@mac.com> References: <874FEA58-611F-11D9-82F1-000393516742@mac.com> Message-ID: On Jan 7, 2005, at 9:46 PM, Tom Ritch wrote: >> I really want to send in my $30 because I love the way omniweb looks >> and works, but not being able to use multiple windows effectively is >> a huge problem. Any suggestions here on how to make omniweb work? > > Each workspace can have multiple windows open at once. Each window > can have multiple tabs. In the Workspaces window you can transfer > windows from one workspace to another. OmniWeb has a lot of features > that are not immediately apparent. Keep playing around with it and I > predict soon you will happily be $30 poorer. ;-) I want to emphasize this point. Workspaces are not windows. They are a way of grouping together related windows (if you choose to have multiple windows in a workspace). I think of workspaces more like projects where you need to have related documents. So I have my default workspace. And I have a workspace for when I'm working on a updating a web site. And I have another workspace for another project. For multiple items within a workspace, I use tabs. Each tab has its own history, and I find them indispensable. I tend to use only one window and bounce between tabs. Beth Katz - really longtime OmniWeb user and paying customer From gumby at henkel-wallace.org Fri Jan 7 19:57:59 2005 From: gumby at henkel-wallace.org (DV Henkel-Wallace) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:35:56 2005 Subject: multiple workspace In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7CCD5045-6129-11D9-A955-000D93C2E6CC@henkel-wallace.org> On 07 Jan 2005, at 14:53, Norman Richards wrote: > I'm evaluating omniweb and I have a question about workspaces. Is it > possible to keep multiple workspaces open? When I hit F2, for > example, to get to my second workspace, the windows my first workspace > goes away. I can't really imagine how that would be a good behavior > in any environment, but it's particularly annoying for me running with > codetek virtual desktop. I'd like to be able to keep one workspace > open on one desktop and another on another. Right now it just doesn't > seem possible. Am I missing something? > > Maybe a more common example would be a two monitor situation. I > wouldn't normally want my omniweb windows on disappear on the second > display just because I changed the workspace on the window in the > first display. There's no way to do this (yet? -- it's been suggested before). Omniweb has a bunch of interesting ideas in it. The more I use it the more it rewires my internal model of a web browser (and the less able I become to switch). However this is despite some of the new ideas being not fully baked (conceptually). Workspaces are an example. Do you remember the move from Finder -> Multifinder? That was a big conceptual leap (and one that many people still have trouble with!) even though the working model was already well understood in the research community. But it took the Mac to introduce it to the PC world. Omniweb incorporates two ideas which are still largely alien to the PC (Windows and Mac) world. One is inherent to browsers: the idea that the document is independent of the application. But the other is that of an "activity" or "workspace." What you describe wanting from Workspaces seems very natural -- it corresponds very cleanly to how people work "in the real world." But it doesn't (yet?) correspond to how Apple's human interface guidelines think you are going to be working. Our machines have directories, bookmarks and the like, but they are very crude. Workspaces gets closer. I think it's cool that the OW guys implemented this feature and then pushed it out there. I hope they are able to evolve it. (Sorry to be so hifalutin' in response to a simple question). -d From orb at jump.net Fri Jan 7 20:25:11 2005 From: orb at jump.net (Norman Richards) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:35:56 2005 Subject: multiple workspace In-Reply-To: <7CCD5045-6129-11D9-A955-000D93C2E6CC@henkel-wallace.org> References: <7CCD5045-6129-11D9-A955-000D93C2E6CC@henkel-wallace.org> Message-ID: <49D20618-612D-11D9-967A-000D93B44C46@jump.net> On Jan 7, 2005, at 9:57 PM, DV Henkel-Wallace wrote: > However this is despite some of the new ideas being not fully baked > (conceptually). Workspaces are an example. Do you remember the move > from Finder -> Multifinder? That was a big conceptual leap (and one > that many people still have trouble with!) even though the working > model was already well understood in the research community. But it > took the Mac to introduce it to the PC world. No - I don't remember it because I was a UNIX guy who had been used to multitasking for quite some time. I never understood why anyone would want to use a system where you could do one thing. And it certainly wasn't anything new in the PC realm. The Amiga, for one, did it long before and much better. > Omniweb incorporates two ideas which are still largely alien to the PC > (Windows and Mac) world. One is inherent to browsers: the idea that > the document is independent of the application. But the other is that > of an "activity" or "workspace." Again, being a UNIX guy for all those years, the concept of a workspace is nothing new. How you guys get by without virtual desktops amazes me. It's 15 year old technology at least, and the closest we can get to it now is expose and dashboard. (both VERY nice, IMHO) But to me that's a system level concern, not an app level concern. The only thing that is missing is that age old concept of a project. To me, a workspace looks like a project. (think IDE if you are a programmer type) It's a window with a collection of resources. And, naturally you are going to potentially have multiple projects going on at the same time