From eugene at anime.net  Sun Jan  7 11:32:53 2001
From: eugene at anime.net (Eugene Lee)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:42 2005
Subject: fatal crashes with OmniWeb?
Message-ID: <20010107113403.H30992@anime.net>

I'm hitting a very wierd problem, and it's not the first time I've run
into this.  On the few occassions when OmniWeb will crash on me, it goes
through the usual routine of launching OmniGroupCrashCatcher and sending
the trace and dump.  I can usually restart OmniWeb without problems.

However, it just recently crashed on me while try to access this site:

	http://devworld.apple.com/technotes/tn/tn1061.html

After quitting and restarting OmniWeb, if I go to the same URL, it
continues to crash with the same error.  I have run into this kind of
problem before.  The only recourse I have at this point is to reboot
OS X.  I'm wondering if there's some framework that's been corrupted,
because I don't think this particular URL contains any bizarre or
fragment HTML/Javascript/CSS code that would cause it to crash.  But
it's a bit annoying to have to reboot the system to make things work.
I feel like I'm back to running Classic MacOS!  Help!  :)


-- 
Eugene Lee
eugene@anime.net

From kc at omnigroup.com  Sun Jan  7 13:35:51 2001
From: kc at omnigroup.com (Ken Case)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:42 2005
Subject: fatal crashes with OmniWeb?
Message-ID: <200101072135.NAA08320@batik.blegga.omnigroup.com>

On Sunday, January 7, 2001, at 11:34 AM, Eugene Lee wrote:
> I'm hitting a very wierd problem, and it's not the first time I've run 
> into this.  On the few occassions when OmniWeb will crash on me, it 
> goes through the usual routine of launching OmniGroupCrashCatcher and 
> sending the trace and dump.

Thanks for sending those in, by the way!  They make it much easier for 
us to track down and fix bugs.

> After quitting and restarting OmniWeb, if I go to the same URL, it 
> continues to crash with the same error.  I have run into this kind of 
> problem before.  The only recourse I have at this point is to reboot OS 
> X.

Interesting!  So OmniWeb is crashing due to some transient system state 
that gets cleared up when you reboot.

I just looked at the crash report you sent right before sending this 
message, and  the backtrace for the crash is:

0 -- 0x99bb74d0 -- _ComputeIndex4__FPCUsUs
1 -- 0x99bb72c0 -- _MapString4_16__FPCUsn1UlPUsPc
2 -- 0x99bb70c8 -- _FOApplyEncoding
3 -- 0x00a1a758 -- _convertUnicodesToGlyphs
4 -- 0x00a1a5f4 -- _ats_get_unicode_to_glyph_map
5 -- 0x4bf0c30c -- _CGFontGetUnicodeToGlyphMapSize
6 -- 0x4bf0c958 -- _CGSCountEncodedGlyphs
7 -- 0x45d7c1f4 -- __NSCGS_ObtainNominalData
8 -- 0x45b74a88 -- -[NSCGSFont _readBasicMetricsForSize:allowFailure:]
9 -- 0x45b743e4 -- -[NSCGSFont _concreteFontInit:]
10 -- 0x45b7422c -- -[NSFont _commonFontInit]
11 -- 0x45b736b0 -- +[NSFont _fontWithName:size:matrix:]
12 -- 0x45c17bf0 -- +[NSFont fontWithName:matrix:]

In other words, OmniWeb is crashing when it tries to initialize a font, 
so you seem to be managing to get Quartz into a state where that fails 
(crashing OmniWeb).

> But it's a bit annoying to have to reboot the system to make things 
> work.  I feel like I'm back to running Classic MacOS!  Help!  :)

You might be able to reset Quartz without a complete reboot, though not, 
of course, without breaking every other application's connection to the 
graphics server.  Try logging out and back in, or if that doesn't work 
try logging out, log in with the name ">exit", wait for the login window 
to reappear, then log in again.  (But if neither of those work, then 
perhaps rebooting is all you can do.)

Thanks for the crash reports and the detailed information about them!  
(The other thing you might want to do is to report this bug to Apple!)

				Ken

From russh59 at home.com  Sun Jan  7 16:11:10 2001
From: russh59 at home.com (Russ Harlan)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:42 2005
Subject: Organize Bookmarks?
Message-ID: <B67E6FC3.4698%russh59@home.com>

I apologize if this <possibly dumb> question has been asked before. I
couldn't find an answer in the help pages.

Right now, when I add a bookmark my zap is added to "Unfiled Bookmarks." I'd
like to be able to create new folders to organize my bookmarks, but darned
if I can figure out how.

How do I add a new folder to my bookmarks window?


From eugene at anime.net  Sun Jan  7 23:21:32 2001
From: eugene at anime.net (Eugene Lee)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:42 2005
Subject: Organize Bookmarks?
In-Reply-To: <B67E6FC3.4698%russh59@home.com>; from russh59@home.com on Sun, Jan 07, 2001 at 07:10:59PM -0500
References: <B67E6FC3.4698%russh59@home.com>
Message-ID: <20010107232248.B7305@anime.net>

On Sun, Jan 07, 2001 at 07:10:59PM -0500, Russ Harlan wrote:
: 
: I apologize if this <possibly dumb> question has been asked before. I
: couldn't find an answer in the help pages.

Not a dumb question.

: Right now, when I add a bookmark my zap is added to "Unfiled Bookmarks." I'd
: like to be able to create new folders to organize my bookmarks, but darned
: if I can figure out how.
: 
: How do I add a new folder to my bookmarks window?

1) Bookmarks -> Open Bookmarks Window

2) Bookmarks -> Add Blank Bookmark

2a) Enter the name of your "new folder".

Now you can drag bookmarks from your "Unfiled Bookmarks" folder to your
new folder.

Hope this helps!


-- 
Eugene Lee
eugene@anime.net

From eugene at anime.net  Mon Jan  8 01:29:52 2001
From: eugene at anime.net (Eugene Lee)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:42 2005
Subject: fatal crashes with OmniWeb?
In-Reply-To: <200101072135.NAA08320@batik.blegga.omnigroup.com>; from kc@omnigroup.com on Sun, Jan 07, 2001 at 01:35:28PM -0800
References: <200101072135.NAA08320@batik.blegga.omnigroup.com>
Message-ID: <20010108013108.A9110@anime.net>

Hi Ken, thanks for the quick response!

I just wanted to let you know that since my email, after putting my
PowerBook to sleep twice, and having OmniWeb crash on me three more
times, I tried out the URL again, and it worked!  The problem seemed
to have gone away.

Then I closed and restarted OmniWeb, and tried out the same URL again.
Well, OmniWeb crashed again!  Just emailed the dump.

Then I tried logging out and back in... another crash!  Just emailed
another dump.

I just tried the ">exit" suggestion, logged back in... another crash,
another emailed dump.

So I guess I have to reboot.  Oh well, thanks for all the tips, and I
hope Quartz gets a bit more stable in the final OS X release.  As for
sending the bug to Apple, I'm pretty sure that if you reported it, your
voice would carry a lot more weight than mine!  :)  Maybe the bug(s) is
already fixed in one of the later internal OS X builds?  I hope so.

It's a shame that Apple doesn't include some generic crash dump facility
that all Cocoa apps could take advantage of, something that could match
what you folks have done so well with OmniWeb.

Again, thanks for listening!


-- 
Eugene Lee
eugene@anime.net

From abridge at mac.com  Mon Jan  8 13:15:32 2001
From: abridge at mac.com (Adam Bridge)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:42 2005
Subject: Changing font sizes is sure-fire death
In-Reply-To: <200101082008.MAA17061@scyther.omnigroup.com>
Message-ID: <B67F6DED.32B5%abridge@mac.com>

I can change font magnification and if I do it more than once OW dies
horribly.

Using Beta 8 and just browsing around to various sites.

Adam


From eugene at anime.net  Mon Jan  8 13:40:51 2001
From: eugene at anime.net (Eugene Lee)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:42 2005
Subject: Changing font sizes is sure-fire death
In-Reply-To: <B67F6DED.32B5%abridge@mac.com>; from abridge@mac.com on Mon, Jan 08, 2001 at 01:15:25PM -0800
References: <200101082008.MAA17061@scyther.omnigroup.com> <B67F6DED.32B5%abridge@mac.com>
Message-ID: <20010108134216.C14655@anime.net>

On Mon, Jan 08, 2001 at 01:15:25PM -0800, Adam Bridge wrote:
: 
: I can change font magnification and if I do it more than once OW dies
: horribly.
: 
: Using Beta 8 and just browsing around to various sites.

I'm not running into this problem.  I use the keyboard shortcuts.  But
I've run into a few crashes when selecting a menu item from the global
menu bar.  It's probably more a bug with OS X than OmniWeb.


-- 
Eugene Lee
eugene@anime.net

From russh59 at home.com  Tue Jan  9 06:00:40 2001
From: russh59 at home.com (Russ Harlan)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:43 2005
Subject: Organize Bookmarks?
In-Reply-To: <20010107232248.B7305@anime.net>
Message-ID: <B68083B3.46EC%russh59@home.com>

> On Sun, Jan 07, 2001 at 07:10:59PM -0500, Russ Harlan wrote:
> : 
> : I apologize if this <possibly dumb> question has been asked before. I
> : couldn't find an answer in the help pages.
> 
> Not a dumb question.
> 
> : Right now, when I add a bookmark my zap is added to "Unfiled Bookmarks." I'd
> : like to be able to create new folders to organize my bookmarks, but darned
> : if I can figure out how.
> : 
> : How do I add a new folder to my bookmarks window?
> 
> 1) Bookmarks -> Open Bookmarks Window
> 
> 2) Bookmarks -> Add Blank Bookmark
> 
> 2a) Enter the name of your "new folder".
> 
> Now you can drag bookmarks from your "Unfiled Bookmarks" folder to your
> new folder.
> 
> Hope this helps!
> 

A big help, thanks. Not the most intuitive method, is it? (But it works!)


From eugene at anime.net  Wed Jan 10 15:52:17 2001
From: eugene at anime.net (Eugene Lee)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:43 2005
Subject: UI suggestions
Message-ID: <20010110155344.C25768@anime.net>

1) In OmniWeb Preferences, when selecting a preference, the window goes
blank for about a half-second before the preference actually appears,
and this gives an impression that it's slow.  To change this impression,
do what Apple did and change the intermediate blank window so that it
says "Loading <preference>..."

2) Command-W and Command-Q are right next to each other.  I've had more
than my fair share of accidentally quitting OmniWeb when I really wanted
to close the frontmost window.  To fix this quirk, add to the Interface
preference a setting to confirm the Command-Q event by asking the user,
"Are you sure you want to quit OmniWeb?" or something like that.

3) I still have a problem with the cookie behavior.  I usually reject
cookies unless I choose to accept them.  There are several problems I
see with OmniWeb's workings.  For one, this ends up creating a huge list
of denied cookies.  Second, once a site's cookie is on the rejected
list, if I change my mind and choose to accept cookies from that site,
it's almost impossible to do so.  You'd have to look through the cookie
list, hopefully find the site's domain, and change the default action.
If the site is using cookies set by another domain, you'd end up having
to look at the HTTP headers for all the HTML elements on that site's
page or scan for appropriate META tags.  The other way is to go through
the cookie list and delete *every* domain that is marked as rejected,
and this becomes even more tedious with a huge list.

I think cookie behavior should be changed to an deny/allow method, kinda
like firewalls, with the following rules:

	by default, deny from all;
	if cookie is on the allow list
	{
		accept it;
	}
	else if cookie is on the deny list
	{
		reject it;
	}
	else
	{
		ask user what to do;
			accept it, put on allow list;
			ignore it, put it on deny list;
			ignore it (don't put it on any list);
	}

4) There's still a visual problem with HTML pages with TITLEs so long
that the listing under the Window menu puts up a menu screen that's as
wide as the entire screen.  I think this is still listed as a b8 bug.
What's even wierder is that if the browser window is minimized into the
Dock, scanning through the Dock and coming up to the minimized browser
window puts this huge string of text that reflects the TITLE!


Hope these suggestions are useful, and thanks for all the great work you
folks have done with it!


-- 
Eugene Lee
eugene@anime.net

From Jeffwaddell at mac.com  Wed Jan 10 17:22:36 2001
From: Jeffwaddell at mac.com (Jeff Waddell)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:43 2005
Subject: Future of OmniWeb and what OmniWeb needs!
Message-ID: <008a01c07b6c$b5071ac0$917ba8c0@net.va.mediaone.net>

As most of you probably know, Apple announced that OS X will be released on
March 24.

This brings new questions to the table, like will OmniWeb be GM by then?

Also, here is my personal opinions about what future releases of OmniWeb
needs:

1. Auto-fill
2. Password Manager (I have been told that OmniWeb will tie into Apple's
keychain in the future)
3. Full Java 2 support
4. Update to Apple's newest frameworks
5. More informable staus bar (than the little green circles).

Keep me updated!

Long live OmniWeb! Thanks!
--
Jeff Waddell
Email:  Jeffwaddell@mac.com
Web:    http://www.themaclist.com    Home of The Mac List!
Web:    http://www.jeffawaddell.com
XNS:    =Jeff Waddell
PGP:    http://pgp.jeffawaddell.com


From tjw at omnigroup.com  Wed Jan 10 17:42:27 2001
From: tjw at omnigroup.com (Timothy J. Wood)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:43 2005
Subject: Future of OmniWeb and what OmniWeb needs!
In-Reply-To: <008a01c07b6c$b5071ac0$917ba8c0@net.va.mediaone.net>
Message-ID: <200101110142.RAA20097@scyther.omnigroup.com>

> This brings new questions to the table, like will OmniWeb be GM by then?

   That is our goal, yes.

> 1. Auto-fill

   We are definitely going to do this, but possibly not by the 4.0 GM 
(maybe 4.1).  We'll see how things pan out -- this is tied closely to 
the next item...

> 2. Password Manager (I have been told that OmniWeb will tie into Apple's
> keychain in the future)

   Wim is working on Keychain integration right now.

> 3. Full Java 2 support

   Yup.

> 4. Update to Apple's newest frameworks

   What exactly do you mean by this?  OmniWeb always links the most 
current frameworks... are you looking for us to link a specific 
framework (and presumably actually do something with it? :)

> 5. More informable staus bar (than the little green circles).

   What sort of information would you like to see?  If you bring up the 
processes panel, you will get lots of information.  Most people just 
want to see whether something is still being loaded or not and making 
the UI look nice is a higher priority.  One problem with the dots that 
we've solved internally already is that they make the page jump up and 
down as they appear and disappear.

-tim

From ryan at tensor.com  Wed Jan 10 17:48:14 2001
From: ryan at tensor.com (Ryan Dingman)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:43 2005
Subject: Future of OmniWeb and what OmniWeb needs!
Message-ID: <200101110148.TAA10802@tensor.com>


On Wednesday, January 10, 2001, at 07:20 PM, Jeff Waddell wrote:

1. Auto-fill

There was once a plugin for OW that implemented this feature, but I don't know if the author is going to port it to OW 4.0.  It wouldn't be very hard to write at all, but it would have to be something that could be turned off because personally I hate auto compete.  Are you just refering to the URL field or all text fields like IE?  Who knows -- maybe I'll write one.

2. Password Manager (I have been told that OmniWeb will tie into Apple's
keychain in the future)

I'm not really sure about this one so I'll defer to Ken.

3. Full Java 2 support

This issue has been covered several times, but I'll cover it again by quoting OW's faq page(http://www.omnigroup.com/products/omniweb/faq/)

"Apple's Java integration is not complete in the public beta of Mac OS X, and it prevents OmniWeb from supporting Java applets. The support architecture exists in OmniWeb, and when Apple completes their Java integration we will add the ability to run Java applets."

4. Update to Apple's newest frameworks

OW has always been in sync with the most recent frameworks that Apple has to offer.

5. More informable staus bar (than the little green circles).

This has been mentioned before, but I think that it would be of great help to Omni if you could define exactly what you mean by "more informable."

Hope this helps.

ryan
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From tjw at omnigroup.com  Wed Jan 10 17:48:31 2001
From: tjw at omnigroup.com (Timothy J. Wood)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:43 2005
Subject: UI suggestions
In-Reply-To: <20010110155344.C25768@anime.net>
Message-ID: <200101110148.RAA20598@scyther.omnigroup.com>

> [...] do what Apple did and change the intermediate blank window so 
> that it
> says "Loading <preference>..."

   Yeah, that's a good suggestion.

> [...] add to the Interface preference a setting to confirm the Command-Q
>  event by asking the user,  "Are you sure you want to quit OmniWeb?"

   This too.

> 3) I still have a problem with the cookie behavior.
>  [...]
> I think cookie behavior should be changed to an deny/allow method, kinda
> like firewalls, with the following rules:
> [...]

   This would certainly be nice for advanced users, but most of the Mac 
OS market prefers simplicity of use over this kind of flexibility.  This 
isn't to say that we won't do something like this ... it just isn't on 
the top of the list.  I can certainly see this being useful, but I 
expect that most people are going to see that panel a very few times 
since they'll set the behavior to always accept.  Actually, the default 
setting now is to always accept cookies, so only web weenies will ever 
turn the panel on ;)


> 4) There's still a visual problem with HTML pages with TITLEs so long
> that the listing under the Window menu puts up a menu screen that's as
> wide as the entire screen.  I think this is still listed as a b8 bug.
> What's even wierder is that if the browser window is minimized into the
> Dock, scanning through the Dock and coming up to the minimized browser
> window puts this huge string of text that reflects the TITLE!

   Doh!  I thought we'd fixed this.

-tim

From jamacht at pobox.com  Wed Jan 10 20:57:40 2001
From: jamacht at pobox.com (Jeff Macht)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:43 2005
Subject: Future of OmniWeb and what OmniWeb needs!
References: <200101110148.TAA10802@tensor.com>
Message-ID: <000b01c07b8a$f9091840$1500a8c0@theoryops.net>

Anyone who wants the source (a little convoluted) to Autocomplete.plugin can
have it. It is on my web page right now
(http://www.pobox.com/~jamacht/PlugIns/). It compiled on Mac OS X Server
just fine. It is GPLed.

There are some problems with it, but if you liked the way it worked in
OmniWeb 3.x, you'll find it just fine.

"wouldn't be very hard to write": not so sure about that. The majority of
this thing was written Labor Day 1998, so the time required was not very
long. But the difficulty is another matter.

There are plenty of places where I used class-dump to find out about OmniWeb
internals. For instance, the OWPersistentHistoryManager is absolutely
required. Also, I used the internals of some NeXT classes, for example
NSTextField, to get the field manager and do a programatic partial selection
of text. You will see occasional fragments of code that is commented out.
This is because I was playing with a IE style drop down completions list. I
can't remember what happened, but it did not work out so well.

Has Omni opened up API access to the History? Meaning, it would be better if
it were [persistentHistoryObj historyArray] rather than
[persistentHistoryObj addressCount] and [persistentHistoryObj
addressAtIndex:(int)]. If so, the performance can be much better, in
addition to working properly. If not, we'll continue to have slowness. My
idea of slow happened on an AMD K6-233. A Motorola G4 at any speed is much
faster than the CPU of my lowly OPENSTEP box.

I believe Omni has added shortcuts to the URL bar in OmniWeb 4. I do not
know how this feature will affect the usage of my plugin.

I don't have a Mac. I bought a nice PC laptop instead. That should be my
.signature.

Jeff.

--
  I don't have a Mac.
  Jeff Macht
  http://www.pobox.com/~jamacht


----- Original Message -----
From: Ryan Dingman
On Wednesday, January 10, 2001, at 07:20 PM, Jeff Waddell wrote:

1. Auto-fill

There was once a plugin for OW that implemented this feature, but I don't
know if the author is going to port it to OW 4.0. It wouldn't be very hard
to write at all, but it would have to be something that could be turned off
because personally I hate auto compete. Are you just refering to the URL
field or all text fields like IE? Who knows -- maybe I'll write one.





From Axel.Rau at Chaos1.DE  Thu Jan 11 01:39:06 2001
From: Axel.Rau at Chaos1.DE (Axel Rau)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:43 2005
Subject: UI suggestions
Message-ID: <200101110910.f0B98o409270@chaos1.in.chaos1.de>

Eugene Lee <eugene@anime.net>  wrote  at 2001-01-11 00:54:15 +0100 :

....
> 3) I still have a problem with the cookie behavior.  I usually reject
....
>
> I think cookie behavior should be changed to an deny/allow method, kinda
> like firewalls, with the following rules:
>
> 	by default, deny from all;
> 	if cookie is on the allow list
> 	{
> 		accept it;
> 	}
> 	else if cookie is on the deny list
> 	{
> 		reject it;
> 	}
> 	else
> 	{
> 		ask user what to do;
> 			accept it, put on allow list;
> 			ignore it, put it on deny list;
> 			ignore it (don't put it on any list);
> 	}
>

I agree. I recommend the same approach to deny/allow JavaScript  from specific sites.

Axel


--
Computing @ Chaos Claudius -Motivation by consistency: OPENSTEP
Axel Rau, Frankfurt, Germany    Phone:49-69-951418-0,  Fax: -55
email:Axel.Rau@Chaos1.DE,Mime ok,MS-Word-documents only as HTML



From gibson at nyssa.tamu.edu  Thu Jan 11 07:27:54 2001
From: gibson at nyssa.tamu.edu (Richard Gibson)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:43 2005
Subject: how about iTools (and plugins in general)?
Message-ID: <200101111525.JAA21469@nyssa.tamu.edu>

beta8 doesn't seem to support using the iTools from Apple; it seems like this would be pretty essential for OmniWeb if it's going to attract a lot of general Mac users (after March 24!).

Any progress in this area?

-Rick Gibson

============================================
Dept. of Geology & Geophysics
Texas A&M University
3115 TAMU
College Station, TX  77843-3115
Tel: 979 862 8653   Fax: 979 845 6162

From nextstep at h2.dion.ne.jp  Thu Jan 11 14:48:12 2001
From: nextstep at h2.dion.ne.jp (Kazu Kimura)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:43 2005
Subject: OmniWeb renders nothing
Message-ID: <20010111224805516.TXYX@hfep03.dion.ne.jp>

Hello,

The latest OmniWeb 4.0b8 will not show anything at http://www.tcp-net.ad.jp/danbo/macworldsf2001/index.html.

With IE on Mac OS X PB, it has no problem.

Please pay attention.

Regards,

Kazu

From eugene at anime.net  Thu Jan 11 15:21:22 2001
From: eugene at anime.net (Eugene Lee)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:43 2005
Subject: OmniWeb renders nothing
In-Reply-To: <20010111224805516.TXYX@hfep03.dion.ne.jp>; from nextstep@h2.dion.ne.jp on Fri, Jan 12, 2001 at 07:48:04AM +0900
References: <20010111224805516.TXYX@hfep03.dion.ne.jp>
Message-ID: <20010111152302.J8353@anime.net>

On Fri, Jan 12, 2001 at 07:48:04AM +0900, Kazu Kimura wrote:
: 
: The latest OmniWeb 4.0b8 will not show anything at
: http://www.tcp-net.ad.jp/danbo/macworldsf2001/index.html.
: 
: With IE on Mac OS X PB, it has no problem.

If you remove the non-standard <LAYER> tags, it works fine.


-- 
Eugene Lee
eugene@anime.net

From nextstep at h2.dion.ne.jp  Fri Jan 12 07:24:53 2001
From: nextstep at h2.dion.ne.jp (Kazu Kimura)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:43 2005
Subject: OmniWeb renders nothing
Message-ID: <20010112152450144.XAYI@hfep01.dion.ne.jp>

Eugene,

Yes, you are correct.  But it is very strange to me OmniWeb does not support <LAYER> tag but IE supports.

Kazu

On 2001.1.12, at 08:23 +0900, Eugene Lee wrote:

> On Fri, Jan 12, 2001 at 07:48:04AM +0900, Kazu Kimura wrote: 
> :  
> : The latest OmniWeb 4.0b8 will not show anything at 
> : http://www.tcp-net.ad.jp/danbo/macworldsf2001/index.html. 
> :  
> : With IE on Mac OS X PB, it has no problem. 
>  
> If you remove the non-standard <LAYER> tags, it works fine. 
>  
>  
> --  
> Eugene Lee 
> eugene@anime.net 
> _______________________________________________ 
> OmniWeb-l mailing list 
> OmniWeb-l@omnigroup.com 
> http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omniweb-l 
>  
>  

From eugene at anime.net  Fri Jan 12 12:16:43 2001
From: eugene at anime.net (Eugene Lee)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:43 2005
Subject: OmniWeb renders nothing
In-Reply-To: <20010112152450144.XAYI@hfep01.dion.ne.jp>; from nextstep@h2.dion.ne.jp on Sat, Jan 13, 2001 at 12:24:49AM +0900
References: <20010112152450144.XAYI@hfep01.dion.ne.jp>
Message-ID: <20010112121827.C27669@anime.net>

On Sat, Jan 13, 2001 at 12:24:49AM +0900, Kazu Kimura wrote:
: 
: Yes, you are correct.  But it is very strange to me OmniWeb does not
: support <LAYER> tag but IE supports.

As I mentioned before, the <LAYER> tag is non-standard, and is not part
of any official HTML specification.  It started as a Netscape-specific
tag that somehow made its way into IE.



-- 
Eugene Lee
eugene@anime.net

From eugene at anime.net  Sat Jan 20 06:00:33 2001
From: eugene at anime.net (Eugene Lee)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:43 2005
Subject: more UI suggestions/comments
In-Reply-To: <20010112152450144.XAYI@hfep01.dion.ne.jp>; from nextstep@h2.dion.ne.jp on Sat, Jan 13, 2001 at 12:24:49AM +0900
References: <20010112152450144.XAYI@hfep01.dion.ne.jp>
Message-ID: <20010120060253.G27875@anime.net>

Had some more bugs/comments/suggestions in my mind this week.  Thanks in
advance for listening, and of course never enough thanks for making a
great web browser!

1) JavaScript bug?  No pull-down menu items show up here:

	http://www.traffic.com/home/html/traffic.html

2) Something about the display bothers me.  In the browser window,
OmniWeb uses the display window to fit a rendered web page.  This is
normally not a problem.  However, there are quite a few sites that do
not use tables to limit the width of the web page.  If the web page has
too much stuff to fit inside the display window, scrollbars are added to
the display window.  With the scrollbars there, the display window is
smaller on each side by an amount equal to the scrollbar width.  A side
effect is that this sometimes causes the contents of the web page to be
shifted around, as if the display window size is being changed via the
window resize button.  Is this something to worry about?  Does this make
OmniWeb do more work than it really needs to?

3) There's something wierd with the SgmlToText routine.  At home (where
I have less-than-28.8 connection), there are times when I load several
web pages at once.  I know that OmniWeb and the TCP/IP stack will easily
handle this many streams.  However, I have noticed situations where I
have requested 3 different web pages, all about the same time.  I know
that the connection to the web sites hosting those 3 pages are
relatively quick, and all 3 browser windows have sent the request and is
waiting for data.  If one browser receives its data while the other
browsers are still waiting for data, it starts running SgmlToText.  But
if the data is sufficiently huge (100+ KB) or is contained in a large
table, it may take 30-60 seconds to render it.  During this time, the
other browsers are still waiting for data, even though I know the
connection to those web sites are very fast.  They do not start
receiving data until SgmlToText is done executing on the first browser
window.  Does SgmlToText block other threads of execution?  It's seems
to behave like so.

4) Also at home, I turn off image loading to speed up web browsing.
Sometimes I'd click on an unloaded image to selectively load it and
display it in the current page.  This works for a single instance of
that image.  If that same image reference exists elsewhere in the page,
the image does not display at those other references in the page.  I'd
have to go to that unloaded image reference and click it to make it
display (but at least it's already in the cache so it's not being
downloaded again).  If an image is selectively loaded, it would be very
useful for all image references in the page to be displayed.

5) And with image loading disabled, cached images are not displayed if
they are referenced by other pages.  I don't know if this would be
considered a bug or a feature.  But it would be nice to have some option
to say "Load Cached Images" under the "Browser" menu (or maybe replace
the existing "Load All Images" entry when the OPTION key is pressed).

6) With the Document Inspector window open, I sometimes accidentally hit
the "Source" button when an image is select.  This occasionally crashes
OmniWeb.  Would it be a good idea to disable the button for non-text
MIME types?

7) I'm having problems with the Cache Timeout settings with regard to
images.  And maybe it's just me misunderstanding how they are applied.
But the online documentation is outdated (what is Omni/DocView? :-).
While visiting Houston, I found this real-time traffic map that was very
useful (they spend alot of time driving down there!):

	http://traffic.tamu.edu/traffic.html

Now, I have "Original HTML or image source" set to 1200 seconds and
"Processed images" set to 60 seconds, in the Cache Timeout preference.
The side effect is that though the web page reloads (it has a 2-minute
refresh set in a META tag), the traffic map is not reloaded.  Using the
Inspector, I saw the image for the traffic map with its expiration set
to 20 minutes in the future.  This was a shock to me, because I thought
that dynamically generated images would be cached according to the
"Processed images" setting.  I guess not!  If I force reload the page,
the latest traffic map is loaded.  So what does the "Processed images"
and the "Original HTML or image source" setting actually cache?  I
couldn't find any information in the online documentation or in the
release notes.

Also, as a suggestion, it would be nice to add more fine-grain controls
to the Cache Timeout stuff, like telling OmniWeb to cache certain image
types differently than others, and even provide a list of domains where
image caching is prohibited.  For example:

	/*
	 * assume image is already downloaded
	 */

	if (image has Expires: header)
	{
		cache according to header
	}
	else if ( (isImageStatic(image) is true)
	    or (isDomainImageCacheAllowed(domain) is true) )
	{
		cache according to static image prefs
	}
	else
	{
		don't cache
	}

	...

	function isImageStatic (image)
	{
		if fileExtension(image) is .gif, .jpg, .png, etc.
		{
			return true
		}
		else
		{
			return false
		}
	}

	function isDomainImageCacheAllowed (domain)
	{
		/*
		 * given a list of domains in the preferences labeled
		 * "Don't cache images from these domains"
		 */
		if domain in user-provided list
		{
			return false
		}
		else
		{
			return true
		}
	}

The domain list where image caching would be prohibited would include
sites that relies on dynamic image generation, such as traffic maps,
mapping sites like MapQuest or MapBlast or Yahoo's mapping feature,
certain weather sites, webcam sites, or broken sites that fail to send
an "Expires:" header.

8) As with #7, apply similar rules to HTML pages.  Static HTML pages may
have .html or .htm extensions.  Dynamic HTML pages may have .cfm, .php,
.shtml, .asp, or pure CGI scripts like .pl and such.


-- 
Eugene Lee
eugene@anime.net

From eugene at anime.net  Mon Jan 22 14:52:24 2001
From: eugene at anime.net (Eugene Lee)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:43 2005
Subject: other OmniWeb musings
Message-ID: <20010122145654.E29084@anime.net>

Thought this was interesting:

-------------------------------------------------------------------------

Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 17:40:36 -0500
To: macosx-talk@omnigroup.com
From: MichaelMonner <michaelmonner@home.com>
Subject: Omniweb in Mac press

Two comments about OmniWeb from a couple of the lesser known Mac web-sites:

http://www.macobserver.com/article/2001/01/19.5.shtml

Looks at the potential of Quartz and contrasts OmniWeb's nice font 
handling with IE's.

and

In http://www.macedition.com/cb/cb_20010122.shtml
"CodeBitch" says we shouldn't support browsers that don't follow the 
standards, using OmniWeb as an example.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------


-- 
Eugene Lee
eugene@anime.net

From gibson at nyssa.tamu.edu  Tue Jan 23 08:13:51 2001
From: gibson at nyssa.tamu.edu (Richard Gibson)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:43 2005
Subject: other OmniWeb musings
Message-ID: <200101231613.KAA51875@nyssa.tamu.edu>

On Monday, January 22, 2001, at 04:56 PM, Eugene Lee wrote:

>  
> In http://www.macedition.com/cb/cb_20010122.shtml 
> "CodeBitch" says we shouldn't support browsers that don't follow the  
> standards, using OmniWeb as an example. 
>  

FWIW, this article does zero in on my "pet peeve" with OmniWeb.  There are several web pages I regularly visit where the strange combinations of colors for text and background (with Omniweb only) make it almost impossible to read.  I do use it instead of IE because I prefer the general user interface and because it renders text so much more cleanly and legibly - I'd really like to be able to use it regularly!

Another problem I've often seen in beta8 is that Omniweb seems to not know how to stop underlining text.  When it encounters a link that is underlined, the remainder of the text block is underlined as well (e.g., http://developer.apple.com/macosx/). 

When "final" releases come out, if these display problems don't clean up (and rendering speed doesn't jump up a bit), I'll probably end up using something else just so I can reliably read pages.

-rick


============================================
Dept. of Geology & Geophysics
Texas A&M University
3115 TAMU
College Station, TX  77843-3115
Tel: 979 862 8653   Fax: 979 845 6162

From eugene at anime.net  Tue Jan 23 10:45:14 2001
From: eugene at anime.net (Eugene Lee)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:43 2005
Subject: other OmniWeb musings
In-Reply-To: <200101231613.KAA51875@nyssa.tamu.edu>; from gibson@nyssa.tamu.edu on Tue, Jan 23, 2001 at 10:16:00AM -0600
References: <200101231613.KAA51875@nyssa.tamu.edu>
Message-ID: <20010123105002.B13337@anime.net>

On Tue, Jan 23, 2001 at 10:16:00AM -0600, Richard Gibson wrote:
: 
: On Monday, January 22, 2001, at 04:56 PM, Eugene Lee wrote:
: >  
: > In http://www.macedition.com/cb/cb_20010122.shtml 
: > "CodeBitch" says we shouldn't support browsers that don't follow the  
: > standards, using OmniWeb as an example. 
: 
: Another problem I've often seen in beta8 is that Omniweb seems to not
: know how to stop underlining text.  When it encounters a link that is
: underlined, the remainder of the text block is underlined as well
: (e.g., http://developer.apple.com/macosx/). 

I don't know why this happens, although I'm sure it's a CSS problem.  If
I remove the tag:

	<link rel="stylesheet" href="/adcstyle.css" type="text/css">

the problem goes away.

: When "final" releases come out, if these display problems don't clean
: up (and rendering speed doesn't jump up a bit), I'll probably end up
: using something else just so I can reliably read pages.

I'm for faster page renders too.  But I also would like as many bug
fixes as possible, as I seem to crash OmniWeb at least once per hour of
solid use.  However, I think most of crashes come from Quartz.  :)


-- 
Eugene Lee
eugene@anime.net

From kc at omnigroup.com  Fri Jan 26 10:24:15 2001
From: kc at omnigroup.com (Ken Case)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:43 2005
Subject: (no subject)
Message-ID: <Pine.MAC.4.10.10101261006430.16588-100000@scyther.omnigroup.com>

   OmniWeb 4.0 beta 9 is now available. OmniWeb is a
   full-featured native web browser for Mac OS X. Highly
   multi-threaded and written using Apple's advanced Cocoa
   frameworks, OmniWeb is designed to provide you with the best
   user experience you'll find in a web browser. We think it's
   important to polish every user interaction to make sure that
   the browser acts the way you want it to--so you can stop
   thinking about the application you're using and just get at
   the information you want, quickly. (If you don't like anything
   about OmniWeb's user experience, please let us know!)

   You may use OmniWeb for free, with no functional restrictions.
   If you like OmniWeb, we encourage you to support its
   development by purchasing an official license. Licenses are
   $29.95 ($19.95 edu) and full purchasing information is
   available at http://www.omnigroup.com/products/purchasing/.
   The more licenses of OmniWeb we sell, the more development
   time we can afford to spend on OmniWeb and other Mac OS X
   applications (and we love working on Mac OS X applications).
   However, we don't insist that you purchase a license, and the
   only behavioral difference between the licensed version and
   the unlicensed version is that the latter periodically
   displays a licensing "reminder" at startup and displays an
   "unlicensed" banner across browser windows that have been idle
   for a while.

   If you have any problems installing or using OmniWeb, please
   check the OmniWeb frequently-asked-questions at
   http://www.omnigroup.com/products/omniweb/faq/. Please send
   your bug reports and feature requests to
   omniweb4@omnigroup.com. The latest version of OmniWeb can
   always be found at http://www.omnigroup.com/products/omniweb/.

   Beta 9 is geared towards enhancing stability. Highlights of
   beta 9 include:

     * Fixed a number of crashers - in our testing beta 9 is much
       more stable than beta 8. (Not yet perfect, but it appears
       to be much better.)
     * Disabled our CSS support (by default) because it is
       incomplete and the partial support was making a number of
       sites look worse than they look with no CSS support at
       all.
     * In a form with multiple <input type="file"> objects, if
       the first one was filled in but the others weren't, we
       sent the data for the first file multiple times. Now we
       only send what we should when we should.

   Full release notes can be found at
   http://www.omnigroup.com/products/omniweb/releasenotes/.


From kc at omnigroup.com  Fri Jan 26 10:25:01 2001
From: kc at omnigroup.com (Ken Case)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:43 2005
Subject: OmniWeb 4.0 beta 9 is now available
Message-ID: <Pine.MAC.4.10.10101261011360.17024-100000@scyther.omnigroup.com>

   OmniWeb 4.0 beta 9 is now available. OmniWeb is a
   full-featured native web browser for Mac OS X. Highly
   multi-threaded and written using Apple's advanced Cocoa
   frameworks, OmniWeb is designed to provide you with the best
   user experience you'll find in a web browser. We think it's
   important to polish every user interaction to make sure that
   the browser acts the way you want it to--so you can stop
   thinking about the application you're using and just get at
   the information you want, quickly. (If you don't like anything
   about OmniWeb's user experience, please let us know!)

   You may use OmniWeb for free, with no functional restrictions.
   If you like OmniWeb, we encourage you to support its
   development by purchasing an official license. Licenses are
   $29.95 ($19.95 edu) and full purchasing information is
   available at http://www.omnigroup.com/products/purchasing/.
   The more licenses of OmniWeb we sell, the more development
   time we can afford to spend on OmniWeb and other Mac OS X
   applications (and we love working on Mac OS X applications).
   However, we don't insist that you purchase a license, and the
   only behavioral difference between the licensed version and
   the unlicensed version is that the latter periodically
   displays a licensing "reminder" at startup and displays an
   "unlicensed" banner across browser windows that have been idle
   for a while.

   If you have any problems installing or using OmniWeb, please
   check the OmniWeb frequently-asked-questions at
   http://www.omnigroup.com/products/omniweb/faq/. Please send
   your bug reports and feature requests to
   omniweb4@omnigroup.com. The latest version of OmniWeb can
   always be found at http://www.omnigroup.com/products/omniweb/.

   Beta 9 is geared towards enhancing stability. Highlights of
   beta 9 include:

     * Fixed a number of crashers - in our testing beta 9 is much
       more stable than beta 8. (Not yet perfect, but it appears
       to be much better.)
     * Disabled our CSS support (by default) because it is
       incomplete and the partial support was making a number of
       sites look worse than they look with no CSS support at
       all.
     * In a form with multiple <input type="file"> objects, if
       the first one was filled in but the others weren't, we
       sent the data for the first file multiple times. Now we
       only send what we should when we should.

   Full release notes can be found at
   http://www.omnigroup.com/products/omniweb/releasenotes/.


From layla at ae.wakwak.com  Fri Jan 26 11:25:01 2001
From: layla at ae.wakwak.com (IDEGUTI Masaya)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:43 2005
Subject: OmniWeb 4.0 beta 9 is now available
Message-ID: <200101261924.f0QJOrn05034@ae.wakwak.com>

On Saturday, January 27, 2001, at 03:17 AM, Ken Case wrote:

>      * Disabled our CSS support (by default) because it is 
>        incomplete and the partial support was making a number of 
>        sites look worse than they look with no CSS support at 
>        all. 

OK. Now how can I enable CCS support? Sometimes partial support is enough:)

Best wishes.





--------------------------------------------------------------
Doh -- a beer, I need a beer
Ray -- the man who buys me beer
Me -- the one who drinks the beer
Far -- a long way to the pub!
So -- I really want a beer
La -- la, la, la, la, la, la!
Tea? -- no thanks I'll have a beer!
That will brings us back to...
Doh -- a beer...

IDEGUTI, Masaya
Kyoto University, Graduate School of Human and Environmental Studies
Give Peace a Chance!

From ryan at tensor.com  Fri Jan 26 11:58:59 2001
From: ryan at tensor.com (Ryan Dingman)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:43 2005
Subject: OmniWeb 4.0 beta 9 is now available
Message-ID: <200101261958.NAA14451@tensor.com>

defaults write com.omnigroup.OmniWeb OWStyleSheetsEnabled YES

Type that in a Terminal .... it was noted in the release notes.

Hope this helps

ryan

On Friday, January 26, 2001, at 01:24 PM, IDEGUTI Masaya wrote:

On Saturday, January 27, 2001, at 03:17 AM, Ken Case wrote:

>      * Disabled our CSS support (by default) because it is 
>        incomplete and the partial support was making a number of 
>        sites look worse than they look with no CSS support at 
>        all. 

OK. Now how can I enable CCS support? Sometimes partial support is enough:)

Best wishes.





--------------------------------------------------------------
Doh -- a beer, I need a beer
Ray -- the man who buys me beer
Me -- the one who drinks the beer
Far -- a long way to the pub!
So -- I really want a beer
La -- la, la, la, la, la, la!
Tea? -- no thanks I'll have a beer!
That will brings us back to...
Doh -- a beer...

IDEGUTI, Masaya
Kyoto University, Graduate School of Human and Environmental Studies
Give Peace a Chance!
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From wvg2 at cornell.edu  Fri Jan 26 12:10:18 2001
From: wvg2 at cornell.edu (Bill Garrison)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:43 2005
Subject: OmniWeb 4.0 beta 9 is now available
Message-ID: <20010126201009.8278AEA7FB@talosiv.cit.cornell.edu>

> From: IDEGUTI Masaya <layla@ae.wakwak.com>
> Date: 2001-01-26 14:36:56 -0500
> To: omniweb-l@omnigroup.com
> Subject: Re: OmniWeb 4.0 beta 9 is now available

>
> On Saturday, January 27, 2001, at 03:17 AM, Ken Case wrote:
>
> >      * Disabled our CSS support (by default) because it is
> >        incomplete and the partial support was making a number of  
> >        sites look worse than they look with no CSS support at
> >        all.
>
> OK. Now how can I enable CCS support? Sometimes partial support is  
enough:)
>

Instructions are in the readme for reactivating CSS support.

Bill

From jyrki.wahlstedt at avstechnologies.com  Mon Feb  5 03:00:13 2001
From: jyrki.wahlstedt at avstechnologies.com (Jyrki Wahlstedt)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:43 2005
Subject: A problem site
Message-ID: <200102051100.f15B09K14948@tantalus.otaverkko.fi>

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From tjw at omnigroup.com  Mon Feb  5 15:03:10 2001
From: tjw at omnigroup.com (Timothy J. Wood)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:43 2005
Subject: A problem site
In-Reply-To: <200102051100.f15B09K14948@tantalus.otaverkko.fi>
Message-ID: <200102052303.PAA13470@scyther.omnigroup.com>


On Monday, February 5, 2001, at 03:00 AM, Jyrki Wahlstedt wrote:
> I have tried several times to look at www.octiv.com, but this always, 
> sooner or later, leads to a situation, where I have to kill the 
> browser, because of a spinning disc?! The content of the(se) page(s) 
> may be the reason, but what it exactly is, I have no idea.

   This appears to have been a bug in our QuickTime-based MP3 decoding 
for Flash files.  Once this was fixed, this page exhibited _another_ 
crasher in the Flash code (I was using the uncompressed size of a sound 
clip where I should have been using the compressed size, resulting in an 
invalid memory access).  These problems will be fixed in the next 
release.


>  Also moving to some pages does not work, maybe they do not write 
> correct HTML, wouldn't be the first time around, but in any case?
> One problem I have noted earlier still exists. If I am in my home site, 
> www.avstechnologies.com, and write to the URL well www.tekes.fi, I end 
> up with error 404, because the URL formed is 
> www.avstechnologies.com/index2.html and not www.tekes.fi/index2.html, 
> as it should be. Also, on that page all the texts are not rendered 
> (seem to be alt-tags).

   I assume you mean that when you are currently at 
www.avstechnologies.com and you type "www.tekes.fi" in the browser 
address field, you go to www.avstechnologies.com/index2.html instead of 
www.tekes.fi/index2.html.  Is this correct?

   Which page is not rendered correctly?

-tim
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From sanguish at digifix.com  Mon Feb  5 15:14:26 2001
From: sanguish at digifix.com (Scott Anguish)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:43 2005
Subject: Is this a bug?
Message-ID: <auto-000000804233@digifix.com>

go here

http://www.cnn.com/2001/CAREER/goodgadgetry/01/31/airport/index.html

then at the bottom of the story.. click on the link to technogadets.com

You don't go anywhere...

From dmz-lists at tffenterprises.com  Mon Feb  5 15:34:38 2001
From: dmz-lists at tffenterprises.com (Daniel M. Zimmerman)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:43 2005
Subject: Is this a bug?
In-Reply-To: <auto-000000804233@digifix.com>
References: <auto-000000804233@digifix.com>
Message-ID: <21206608.981387269@morden.cs.caltech.edu>


--On m?ndag 5 februari 2001 18.14 -0500 Scott Anguish <sanguish@digifix.com> wrote:

> go here
>
> http://www.cnn.com/2001/CAREER/goodgadgetry/01/31/airport/index.html
>
> then at the bottom of the story.. click on the link to technogadets.com
>
> You don't go anywhere...

Oddly, I just tried this, and it worked fine for me. Maybe your OmniWeb is just confused? (I've had many experiences where quitting OmniWeb and restarting it has fixed problems much like the one you describe)

-Dan

------------------------------------------------------------------
Daniel M. Zimmerman                                TFF Enterprises
M/S 256-80 - Caltech                http://www.tffenterprises.com/
Pasadena, California  91125  USA            dmz@tffenterprises.com

From bchin at mdimension.com  Mon Feb  5 15:36:55 2001
From: bchin at mdimension.com (Bill Chin)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:43 2005
Subject: buglets?
Message-ID: <200102052336.SAA13455@mail.richmond.net>

CNN Interactive pops up a window that asks the web surfer to select an edition. Unfortunately in OmniWeb up through the latest beta, the set edition button does nothing.

On the Covad web site, on the home page in the DSL qualification section, the pop-up to set the state doesn't work under OmniWeb.


From dark3lf at mac.com  Mon Feb  5 15:40:31 2001
From: dark3lf at mac.com (Kadari Mayson)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:43 2005
Subject: Is this a bug?
In-Reply-To: <auto-000000804233@digifix.com>
Message-ID: <20010205233939.PGCW3627.femail1.sdc1.sfba.home.com@localhost>

I was kind of wondering about the same thing with www.excite.com.  It 
doesn't go anywhere.

/km

On Monday, February 5, 2001, at 03:14 PM, Scott Anguish wrote:

> go here
>
> http://www.cnn.com/2001/CAREER/goodgadgetry/01/31/airport/index.html
>
> then at the bottom of the story.. click on the link to technogadets.com
>
> You don't go anywhere...
> _______________________________________________
> OmniWeb-l mailing list
> OmniWeb-l@omnigroup.com
> http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omniweb-l
>

From eugene at anime.net  Mon Feb  5 17:10:05 2001
From: eugene at anime.net (Eugene Lee)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:43 2005
Subject: Is this a bug?
In-Reply-To: <21206608.981387269@morden.cs.caltech.edu>; from dmz-lists@tffenterprises.com on Mon, Feb 05, 2001 at 03:34:29PM -0800
References: <auto-000000804233@digifix.com> <21206608.981387269@morden.cs.caltech.edu>
Message-ID: <20010205171032.A17349@anime.net>

On Mon, Feb 05, 2001 at 03:34:29PM -0800, Daniel M. Zimmerman wrote:
: 
: --On m?ndag 5 februari 2001 18.14 -0500 Scott Anguish <sanguish@digifix.com> wrote:
: 
: > go here
: >
: > http://www.cnn.com/2001/CAREER/goodgadgetry/01/31/airport/index.html
: >
: > then at the bottom of the story.. click on the link to technogadets.com
: >
: > You don't go anywhere...
: 
: Oddly, I just tried this, and it worked fine for me. Maybe your OmniWeb is just confused? (I've had many experiences where quitting OmniWeb and restarting it has fixed problems much like the one you describe)

The link works for me too.  OmniWeb 4.0b9.  Looking at the source, I
didn't see any funky Javascript function call.  But the page does load
an external Javascript page and uses CSS.  


-- 
Eugene Lee
eugene@anime.net

From sanguish at digifix.com  Mon Feb  5 22:45:09 2001
From: sanguish at digifix.com (Scott Anguish)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:43 2005
Subject: Is this a bug?
Message-ID: <auto-000000804396@digifix.com>

On Monday, February 5, 2001, at 06:34 PM, Daniel M. Zimmerman wrote:

> Oddly, I just tried this, and it worked fine for me. Maybe your OmniWeb is just confused? 
> (I've had many experiences where quitting OmniWeb and restarting it has fixed problems 
> much like the one you describe) 
>  

	I tried that before posting here.. seemed to have no effect.


From gibson at nyssa.tamu.edu  Tue Feb  6 08:51:51 2001
From: gibson at nyssa.tamu.edu (Richard Gibson)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:43 2005
Subject: A problem site
Message-ID: <200102061649.KAA21952@nyssa.tamu.edu>

Here's an alternative experiment which may show the behavior he's talking about.

I first loaded, for example, (JUST an example :-) ):

http://www.thecomedylab.com/bushpalm/26.html

I think click my Favorites News/Slashdot.org shortcut link to see the slashdot page. I click the "back page" button on the upper left of the window, and it sure enough goes back to the more politically oriented page.  However, the "Page address" field does not update to show the current page.  Clicking refresh _does_ give me the previous, political page.

However, this behavior is really annoying when I want to add a particular page to the bookmark list.  If you drag the bolt symbol which seems to be linked to the Page address textfield, you do not get a bookmark to the currently displayed field, but rather to the URL displayed in the TextField.

Using the menu oriented Add to bookmarks... works as expected. But it's confusing, since it's not the displayed URL.

-rick


On Monday, February 5, 2001, at 05:03 PM, Timothy J. Wood wrote:

> Also moving to some pages does not work, maybe they do not write correct HTML, wouldn't be 
> the first time around, but in any case? 
> One problem I have noted earlier still exists. If I am in my home site, 
> www.avstechnologies.com, and write to the URL well www.tekes.fi, I end up with error 404, 
> because the URL formed is www.avstechnologies.com/index2.html and not 
> www.tekes.fi/index2.html, as it should be. Also, on that page all the texts are not 
> rendered (seem to be alt-tags). 
>  
>   I assume you mean that when you are currently at www.avstechnologies.com and you type 
> "www.tekes.fi" in the browser address field, you go to 
> www.avstechnologies.com/index2.html instead of www.tekes.fi/index2.html.  Is this 
> correct? 
>  
>   Which page is not rendered correctly? 
>  

============================================
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Texas A&M University
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College Station, TX  77843-3115
Tel: 979 862 8653   Fax: 979 845 6162

From tom at bluesky.org  Thu Feb  8 12:57:27 2001
From: tom at bluesky.org (tom@bluesky.org)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:43 2005
Subject: Startup problem
Message-ID: <l03130301b6a85044fa07@[24.142.205.217]>

I installed OmniWeb 4b9 on my OS X PB.  It worked fine the first time, but
now it stalls "Loading omniweb:/StartPage".  I imagine there must be a
simple fix, like trashing the prefs, but I can't seem to find the files.

Thanks for any help!  tom@bluesky.org



From michael.keller at minesworld.de  Sun Feb 11 17:19:23 2001
From: michael.keller at minesworld.de (Michael Keller)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:43 2005
Subject: Whishes (maybe granted ?-)
Message-ID: <E14S7en-0000CK-00@mrvdom02.schlund.de>

would be fine to have some preferences (font size or download folder, save-source folder (would be nice too)) on a per-site basis.
I know it is not easy to manage (Beside the UI problem), but if I could set these settings for a starting page and they would kept within the window and its "children", it would be realy nice. Totaly awsome would be an option to use the default prefs if the domain is changed on following a link etc. (restore old settings when using back button, or default settings on user request (short cut or button in toolbar)). 
On the GUI I would suggest to implement this somehow like this: in the bookmarks window would be an icon indicating additional prefs. When default prefs are changed within a window which displays a bookmarked page, on leaving the site / after saving etc. the user should be (optionaly) asked if those new settings should be stored for this site...
When you check every URL against the bookmarks window and use the proper settings, the user could even change preferred settings within a site (nice that your bookmark window treats a folder also as a URL), so additional prefs within a sub-URL should be arranged within the start bookmark.

Anyway: OmniWeb is still the best browser with best display I've ever seen , "just" make it perfect ;-)

  Michael 
-
Michael Keller

eMail: info@minesworld.de

Tel.: +49-69-85709283 
Fax.: +49-69-85709285

Feldstrasse 65
63071 Offenbach am Main
FR of Germany

From eugene at anime.net  Mon Feb 12 14:52:45 2001
From: eugene at anime.net (Eugene Lee)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:43 2005
Subject: b9 doesn't bring up DIRECTV guide
Message-ID: <20010212145240.G10698@anime.net>

Go to DIRECTV's web site:

	http://www.directv.com/

click on their "the online guide" button that points to the link:

	http://147.21.10.32/misc/pgm_guide/index.cgi

If you don't have a cookie set, this CGI brings you to:

	http://147.21.10.32/misc/pgm_guide/no_cookie.html

After selecting a time zone at the bottom of the page, I get:

	http://147.21.10.32/misc/pgm_guide/guide.html

This page has 4 frames.  The middle two frames are blank.  I get the
same results regardless of whether I enable or disable cookies (I do
have Javascript enabled).  The final programming guide page appears
on other browsers (Netcape, IE, iCab).  Is anyone else seeing similar
problems?


-- 
Eugene Lee
eugene@anime.net

From kc at omnigroup.com  Tue Feb 13 23:09:12 2001
From: kc at omnigroup.com (Ken Case)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:43 2005
Subject: Startup problem
In-Reply-To: <l03130301b6a85044fa07@[24.142.205.217]>
Message-ID: <200102140709.XAA09125@scyther.omnigroup.com>

On Thursday, February 8, 2001, at 12:56 PM, tom@bluesky.org wrote:
> I installed OmniWeb 4b9 on my OS X PB.  It worked fine the first time, 
> but
> now it stalls "Loading omniweb:/StartPage".  I imagine there must be a
> simple fix, like trashing the prefs, but I can't seem to find the files.

OmniWeb's preferences are stored in the file com.omnigroup.OmniWeb in 
your Preferences library folder (in your Library folder, i.e. 
~/Library/Preferences/com.omnigroup.OmniWeb), and OmniWeb's auxiliary 
data files (bookmarks, persistent history, etc.) are stored in the 
OmniWeb library folder (~/Library/OmniWeb).

				Ken

From Paul-Buckley at home.net  Wed Feb 14 12:30:35 2001
From: Paul-Buckley at home.net (Paul-Buckley@home.net)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:43 2005
Subject: evanescent buttons
Message-ID: <200102142030.f1EKUTF00328@msn.com>

http://www.awug.com/cgi-bin/discussion.pl/forum:www.cwug.org/

Buttons on this site, with contents such as "save message" or "create a new message" do not have visible buttons when at rest, but Aqua style buttons appear briefly when clicked. The element is a submit input in a post form.


From play at slowchildren.com  Sat Mar  3 20:12:03 2001
From: play at slowchildren.com (Scott McDowell)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:43 2005
Subject: UI Suggestion: Titlebar
Message-ID: <20010304041319.14280@smtp.speakeasy.org>

All over the macos, if you apple-click the title in the title bar of any
window you get a nice menu that displays the path to whatever document
you the window is displaying.  I like this feature, and almost expect it
these days.  Try it out on a finder window to see what I'm talking about.

M$IE has a feature similar to this, if you apple-click the title in the
title bar of a browser window you get a nice menu that displays the path
(from the root of the webserver) to whatever file the browser window is
displaying.  I like this feature, and would like to see it included in
OmniWeb.  

The main reason I like OmniWeb, is because it feels so much like a modern
macos x app.  This is just another way to make Omni feel more like a
macos x app.


From sanguish at digifix.com  Sat Mar  3 20:24:15 2001
From: sanguish at digifix.com (Scott Anguish)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:43 2005
Subject: UI Suggestion: Titlebar
Message-ID: <auto-000000840236@digifix.com>

On Saturday, March 3, 2001, at 11:13 PM, Scott McDowell wrote:

> All over the macos, if you apple-click the title in the title bar of any 
> window you get a nice menu that displays the path to whatever document 
> you the window is displaying.  I like this feature, and almost expect it 
> these days.  Try it out on a finder window to see what I'm talking about. 
>  

	This seems to be completely gone in Mac OS X PB.

> M$IE has a feature similar to this, if you apple-click the title in the 
> title bar of a browser window you get a nice menu that displays the path 
> (from the root of the webserver) to whatever file the browser window is 
> displaying.  I like this feature, and would like to see it included in 
> OmniWeb.   
>  
> The main reason I like OmniWeb, is because it feels so much like a modern 
> macos x app.  This is just another way to make Omni feel more like a 
> macos x app. 

	seems like this particular area should be reserved for system type stuff... this new toolbar removal button is already a bad placement..

From andrew at omnigroup.com  Sat Mar  3 20:25:06 2001
From: andrew at omnigroup.com (Andrew Abernathy)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:43 2005
Subject: UI Suggestion: Titlebar
In-Reply-To: <20010304041319.14280@smtp.speakeasy.org>
Message-ID: <200103040425.UAA28910@scyther.omnigroup.com>


On Saturday, March 3, 2001, at 08:13 PM, Scott McDowell wrote:

> All over the macos, if you apple-click the title in the title bar of any
> window you get a nice menu that displays the path to whatever document
> you the window is displaying.  I like this feature, and almost expect it
> these days.  Try it out on a finder window to see what I'm talking 
> about.

Our current internal builds have this feature for local files.

> M$IE has a feature similar to this, if you apple-click the title in the
> title bar of a browser window you get a nice menu that displays the path
> (from the root of the webserver) to whatever file the browser window is
> displaying.  I like this feature, and would like to see it included in
> OmniWeb.

I don't believe we ever thought of this - sounds nice to me, although I 
think we have Cocoa support for the local files and that it would be 
more problematic to support it for remote files. I've filed a feature 
request on it. (But we're getting down to the wire on 4.0 final, so new 
features are a very low priority at this point.)

-andrew
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From play at slowchildren.com  Sat Mar  3 20:38:34 2001
From: play at slowchildren.com (Scott McDowell)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:43 2005
Subject: UI Suggestion: Heading Menu
Message-ID: <20010304043951.28000@smtp.speakeasy.org>

One of the things I like about html is that, when used correctly, it
allows you to present the content in so many different ways.  So far
there are only two ways I can think that we use this content so far, to
display webpages and to index webpages for searching.  Here is an idea
I'd like to see:

Why not create a menu of some sort that shows the contents of all the
heading tags (<h1>,<h2>,<h3>...) in a document and let's you scroll the
window directly to that part of the page. 

BBEdit has a feature like this.  You can try it out buy clicking the
function menu icon (it looks like '?' or '&fnof;') when viewing an html
document.

This menu could be displayed in several ways:
    * in a separate window (I don't really like this idea)
    * in a Drawer (I love these new Drawer things by the way!!)
    * or in a menu:
        * a contextual menu?  maybe, I don't know though, the
          contextual menus in OmniWeb already seem to be full
          of information (good information) and I would rather
          not add bulk to that menu
        * the title bar? you could apple-click the title bar
          to display this.  I don't like this idea because
          I would rather put a path menu here (see my previous
          message 'UI Suggestion: title bar')
        * in the menu bar?  sure but where?
        * button on the toolbar? i don't like this idea either
          because I almost always hide my toolbar (see my next
          message 'UI Suggestion: hide toolbar') and would prefer
          quicker access to it.

Basically I don't know where to put the menu, but I'm no software
designer.  Maybe someone else out there can come up with a good place to
put this.

On another tip: maybe this same menu could be used to display any link
tags.  (What am I talking about?? <http://www.euronet.nl/~tekelenb/WWW/LINK/>)

Scott McDowell
http://www.slowchildren.com


From play at slowchildren.com  Sat Mar  3 20:51:30 2001
From: play at slowchildren.com (Scott McDowell)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:43 2005
Subject: UI Suggestion: Hiding Toolbar
Message-ID: <20010304045243.29871@smtp.speakeasy.org>

In new macos x finder windows, there's this little button on the right
side of the titlbar.  When you click it, it slides the toolbar up.  Boy-
Oh-Boy, I really like this.

I don't use it so often in the finder, but when I'm surfing the web, I
like often like to hide the toolbar and just use the keyboard to navigate
(I know...I'm wierd...I even like browsing in full-screen mode...I once
started a petition to get M$ to bring this feature to their Mac IE client
<http://scorpion.sparkart.com/~scott/>)  It would make my life a lot
easier if OmniWeb had a button like this.  That way, everytime I open a
new browser window I wouldn't have to type <shift-apple-n> <shift-apple-
f> <shift-apple-l>.  This get's so repetitive.

Oooh, here's another idea, what if new OmniWeb browser windows (woah)
could remember the 'toolbar visibility' state of their parent (opener in
javascript, i think) window.

Keep up the good work.

Scott McDowell
http://www.slowchildren.com


From play at slowchildren.com  Sat Mar  3 21:02:49 2001
From: play at slowchildren.com (Scott McDowell)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:43 2005
Subject: UI Suggestion: Titlebar
In-Reply-To: <auto-000000840236@digifix.com>
References: <auto-000000840236@digifix.com>
Message-ID: <20010304050406.31004@smtp.speakeasy.org>

Tron says that on Sat, Mar 3, 2001, Scott Anguish wrote:

>	seems like this particular area should be reserved for system type
>stuff... this new toolbar removal button is already a bad placement..

Hmm, I really like the toolbar removal button.  If you read my message
'UI Suggesion: Hiding Toolbar,' you'll see that I like hiding/showing my
toolbars a lot.  Having a univeral way to do this in all apps seems like
common sense to me.  That's why i suggested it for OmniWeb.

Scott McDowell
http://www.slowchildren.com/


From sanguish at digifix.com  Sat Mar  3 21:08:21 2001
From: sanguish at digifix.com (Scott Anguish)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:43 2005
Subject: UI Suggestion: Titlebar
Message-ID: <auto-000000840241@digifix.com>

On Sunday, March 4, 2001, at 12:04 AM, Scott McDowell wrote:

> Tron says that on Sat, Mar 3, 2001, Scott Anguish wrote: 
>  
> >	seems like this particular area should be reserved for system type 
> >stuff... this new toolbar removal button is already a bad placement.. 
>  
> Hmm, I really like the toolbar removal button.  If you read my message 
> 'UI Suggesion: Hiding Toolbar,' you'll see that I like hiding/showing my 
> toolbars a lot.  Having a univeral way to do this in all apps seems like 
> common sense to me.  That's why i suggested it for OmniWeb. 

	I agree that being able to do this is important.. I just question it's place in the title bar.

From aamodtpw at email.uc.edu  Tue Mar  6 19:10:43 2001
From: aamodtpw at email.uc.edu (Peter Aamodt)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:43 2005
Subject: OmniWeb 3.1 plugins
Message-ID: <B6CB1068.7587%aamodtpw@email.uc.edu>

I am using OmniWeb 3.1 under OS4.2.  I have two questions re: the
unsupported plugins (e.g., Flash, QuickTime, etc) available on the OmniGroup
web site:

1. Where is the proper place to install these plugins?  Is it
/LocalLibrary/Plugins, in the .app directory itself where the other
(supported) plugins are, or someplace else?

2. Has anyone successfully used the unsupported Flash plugin with 3.1, or is
it incompatible with version 3.1?  (when I look at the plugins loaded with
OmniWeb, the app reports that the plugin is invalid.)

I know these plugins are unsupported, which I take it to mean that OmniGroup
offers no technical support for them.  However, I would appreciate any
insight the user base can offer.  And of course, there's always one more
vote in favor of a finished OmniWeb version 3.  Thanks in advance.

Peter Aamodt 

From charles at teaching.physics.ox.ac.uk  Wed Mar  7 04:06:08 2001
From: charles at teaching.physics.ox.ac.uk (Charles R Wiles)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:43 2005
Subject: OmniWeb 3.1 plugins
In-Reply-To: <B6CB1068.7587%aamodtpw@email.uc.edu>
References: <B6CB1068.7587%aamodtpw@email.uc.edu>
Message-ID: <200103071205.MAA05763@einstein.physics.ox.ac.uk>

Peter,

Peter Aamodt spoke thus at 22:08:40 on Tue, 06 Mar 2001:

} I am using OmniWeb 3.1 under OS4.2.

Likewise (or, at least, I think it's 3.1--it's been some time since I  
installed it--and I have a vague recollection that 3.1's info panel still  
said 3.0!).

} I have two questions re: the unsupported plugins (e.g., Flash, QuickTime,
} etc) available on the OmniGroup web site:
}
} 1. Where is the proper place to install these plugins?  Is it
} /LocalLibrary/Plugins, in the .app directory itself where the other
} (supported) plugins are, or someplace else?

I think you can put them in several places (including within the app  
wrapper), but the most sensible place is probably: /LocalLibrary/PlugIns/

It works for us, though do note the capitalisation of "PlugIns": I initially  
tried "Plugins" and it didn't work! :->

} 2. Has anyone successfully used the unsupported Flash plugin with 3.1, or
} is it incompatible with version 3.1? (when I look at the plugins loaded
} with OmniWeb, the app reports that the plugin is invalid.)

We do have a Flash.plugin which is happily registered by OmniWeb: I'm not  
sure if it's necessarily a full implementation of Flash (though I could be  
wrong).  Within the Flash.plugin directory/wrapper you'll see a Resources  
directory.  In that is an Info-nextstep.plist file.  At the bottom is a line  
something like:

  OFRequiredSoftwareVersions = {OmniHTML = 1999C; };

When you launch OmniWeb, look in the Console for the line:

OFBundleRegistry: Registering  
/LocalApps/OmniWeb.app/Resources/OmniHTML.framework (version 1999C)

You may need to edit the Info-nextstep.plist file if its version number  
doesn't match that of the OmniHTML.framework bundle.

} And of course, there's always one more
} vote in favor of a finished OmniWeb version 3. Thanks in advance.

Ditto: though I guess the guys are rather pre-occupied with OS X.  It is a  
shame that OWeb 3 has never quite been finished: there's still the spinning  
cursor annoyance due to the multi-threading problem.

  regards,
	charles

From aamodtpw at email.uc.edu  Wed Mar  7 20:03:18 2001
From: aamodtpw at email.uc.edu (Peter Aamodt)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:43 2005
Subject: OmniWeb 3.1 plugins
In-Reply-To: <200103071205.MAA05763@einstein.physics.ox.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <B6CC6E39.7594%aamodtpw@email.uc.edu>

Charles,

Thanks for your quick response.  I did have the right directory name down to
the appropriate capitalization of "PlugIns."  However, my flash plugin was
referring to the wrong OmniHTML.framework bundle version.  It referenced
1999C, while OW 3.1 rc2 uses version 2000A.

So, now it loads properly.  My only problem is that it doesn't seem to work,
at least not on the two flash-enabled sites I've visited thus far.  Perhaps
this is an indication of the limited implementation you mentioned.  Oh,
well...  BTW, the version of OmniWeb I'm using no longer generates the
framework registry messages in the console.

Many thanks again for your useful tip.

Peter


> From: Charles R Wiles <charles@teaching.physics.ox.ac.uk>
> Date: Wed,  7 Mar 2001 12:05:54 GMT
> To: OmniWeb List <omniweb-l@omnigroup.com>
> Cc: Peter Aamodt <aamodtpw@email.uc.edu>
> Subject: Re: OmniWeb 3.1 plugins
> 
> Peter,
> 
> Peter Aamodt spoke thus at 22:08:40 on Tue, 06 Mar 2001:
> 
> } I am using OmniWeb 3.1 under OS4.2.
> 
> Likewise (or, at least, I think it's 3.1--it's been some time since I
> installed it--and I have a vague recollection that 3.1's info panel still
> said 3.0!).
> 
> } I have two questions re: the unsupported plugins (e.g., Flash, QuickTime,
> } etc) available on the OmniGroup web site:
> }
> } 1. Where is the proper place to install these plugins?  Is it
> } /LocalLibrary/Plugins, in the .app directory itself where the other
> } (supported) plugins are, or someplace else?
> 
> I think you can put them in several places (including within the app
> wrapper), but the most sensible place is probably: /LocalLibrary/PlugIns/
> 
> It works for us, though do note the capitalisation of "PlugIns": I initially
> tried "Plugins" and it didn't work! :->
> 
> } 2. Has anyone successfully used the unsupported Flash plugin with 3.1, or
> } is it incompatible with version 3.1? (when I look at the plugins loaded
> } with OmniWeb, the app reports that the plugin is invalid.)
> 
> We do have a Flash.plugin which is happily registered by OmniWeb: I'm not
> sure if it's necessarily a full implementation of Flash (though I could be
> wrong).  Within the Flash.plugin directory/wrapper you'll see a Resources
> directory.  In that is an Info-nextstep.plist file.  At the bottom is a line
> something like:
> 
> OFRequiredSoftwareVersions = {OmniHTML = 1999C; };
> 
> When you launch OmniWeb, look in the Console for the line:
> 
> OFBundleRegistry: Registering
> /LocalApps/OmniWeb.app/Resources/OmniHTML.framework (version 1999C)
> 
> You may need to edit the Info-nextstep.plist file if its version number
> doesn't match that of the OmniHTML.framework bundle.
> 
> } And of course, there's always one more
> } vote in favor of a finished OmniWeb version 3. Thanks in advance.
> 
> Ditto: though I guess the guys are rather pre-occupied with OS X.  It is a
> shame that OWeb 3 has never quite been finished: there's still the spinning
> cursor annoyance due to the multi-threading problem.
> 
> regards,
> charles
> _______________________________________________
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> OmniWeb-l@omnigroup.com
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> 


From nextstep at h2.dion.ne.jp  Thu Mar  8 06:30:25 2001
From: nextstep at h2.dion.ne.jp (Kazu Kimura)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:43 2005
Subject: OmniWeb4 will not show correct view
Message-ID: <20010308143010731.YSGV@hfep02.dion.ne.jp>

Hi,

When I try to view http://www.gartner.co.jp/, I can only see some part of the window though IE will show complete window.  Does this URL deploy non-standard HTML context?

There is another question.  Is there any way to save a picture in .jpg file instead of tiff file in OmniWeb4?

Thanks in advance.

Kazu


Kazu Kimura
IP Network Engineering, CTC
Tel +81-52-740-8101(Office)
    +81-586-84-2303(Home)
E-mail:kimura@ctc.ad.jp(Office)
       nextstep@h2.dion.ne.jp(Home)

From magn0lia at mac.com  Fri Mar  9 11:05:26 2001
From: magn0lia at mac.com (Magn0lia)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:43 2005
Subject: several questions
Message-ID: <200103091904.LAA13945@scv1.apple.com>

Man this is a really nice browser! Of course the more I use it, the 
more things I think of that I'd like it to do ... for instance:
- How can I set OmniWeb to display .xml files instead of 
downloading them?
- What's the keyboard shortcut for "open in new window in front"?
- How can I set OW to open URLs it gets from internet config in a 
new window?
- How can I set OW to delete the .pls files once it sends the audio 
stream off to be played?

Thank you!

From layla at ae.wakwak.com  Fri Mar  9 11:50:01 2001
From: layla at ae.wakwak.com (IDEGUTI Masaya)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:43 2005
Subject: several questions
Message-ID: <200103091949.f29Jnrl01315@ae.wakwak.com>

I'm sorry I can't answer to all the questions.

On Saturday, March 10, 2001, at 04:04 AM, Magn0lia wrote:
> - What's the keyboard shortcut for "open in new window in front"? 

Cmd-O. Open File is assigned to shift-cmd-O BTW.

> - How can I set OW to open URLs it gets from internet config in a  

Set the default web browser in the Web tab in the Internet pane in the System Preferences.

Hope this helps some.


--------------------------------------------------------------
Doh -- a beer, I need a beer
Ray -- the man who buys me beer
Me -- the one who drinks the beer
Far -- a long way to the pub!
So -- I really want a beer
La -- la, la, la, la, la, la!
Tea? -- no thanks I'll have a beer!
That will brings us back to...
Doh -- a beer...

IDEGUTI, Masaya
Kyoto University, Graduate School of Human and Environmental Studies
Give Peace a Chance!

From jhallgren at ghweb.com  Wed Mar 14 11:17:30 2001
From: jhallgren at ghweb.com (Jeff Hallgren)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:43 2005
Subject: redirect from yahoo
Message-ID: <200103141916.NAA08621@kore.ghweb.com>

I seem to be having a problem with Omniweb4.0b9 that I haven't noticed 
before. I think I'm supposed to get a redirect from 
http://www.yahoo.com/headlines/news/ and end up at 
http://dailynews.yahoo.com/headlines/ts/ but today its not happening. 
I'm on OSX 4k78.

Actually, I end up on a previously visited site sometimes, other times I 
get a blank page.

How's the GM release of Omniweb4.0 going?

Could I suggest that Omniweb set up a way for "us" to pay for a copy via 
paypal? It would be real convenient and would guarantee at least one 
sale :)

Jeff

From larkost at softhome.net  Wed Mar 14 11:36:03 2001
From: larkost at softhome.net (Karl Kuehn)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:43 2005
Subject: Javscript bug in 'top' object
Message-ID: <200103141936.f2EJa7X11111@mail.athenet.net>

	Sorry if this has been mentioned before, I just joined this list, and did not see anything obvious in a quick overview of the archives. I have found an interesting bug in OmniWeb 4b9's JavaScript DOM. Script written into web pages cannot see the 'top' object, but the JavaScript console can! Here is a sample of this error:

-------------------file: base.html--------------------
<html>
<head>
        <title>nothing important</title>
        <script language="JavaScript">
        <!--
        myTestValue = " Yes it worked!";
        //-->
        </script>
</head>
<frameset>
        <frame src="frame.html" />
</frameset>
</html>
-------------------file: frame.html--------------------
<html>
<head>   
        <title>another something unimportant</title>
</head>
<body onLoad="alert('Did it work?' + top.myTestValue);">
        A little text
</body>
</html>
----------------------------------------------------------

	What this should do is set a variable (top.myTestValue) that can be read from any frame within the window, and then when the frame loads, you should get an alert window that says "Did it work? Yes it worked!". But instead OmniWeb complains (in the JavaScript error log) that 'top' is not a object ('[onload handler]:0: top has no properties').
	This setup works fine in Netscape, IE, and iCab, and conforms to the standards.. I think this one counts as a bug. Oh.. and same behavior in OmniWeb 4b8 I have just realized (never tracked down the error before).

	Karl Kuehn
		larkost@softhome.net

PS... I hope that later versions of OmniWeb will allow scripts to re-write frames... a couple of my nicer scripts do that to limit bandwidth on downloads...

From larkost at softhome.net  Wed Mar 14 11:41:44 2001
From: larkost at softhome.net (Karl Kuehn)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:43 2005
Subject: Javscript bug in 'top' object
Message-ID: <200103141941.f2EJfkX13336@mail.athenet.net>

	Slight change to the test html... looks like I pared it down a few characters too much for Netscape's preferences... sorry about that....

in the file 'base.html' change:
-------------------------------------
<frameset> 
-------------------------------------

to:
-------------------------------------
<frameset rows="*,">
-------------------------------------

	Karl Kuehn
		larkost@softhome.net
	
On Wednesday, March 14, 2001, at 01:31 PM, Karl Kuehn wrote:

> 	Sorry if this has been mentioned before, I just joined this list, and did not see anything 
> obvious in a quick overview of the archives. I have found an interesting bug in OmniWeb 
> 4b9's JavaScript DOM. Script written into web pages cannot see the 'top' object, but the 
> JavaScript console can! Here is a sample of this error: 
>  
> -------------------file: base.html-------------------- 
> <html> 
> <head> 
>         <title>nothing important</title> 
>         <script language="JavaScript"> 
>         <!-- 
>         myTestValue = " Yes it worked!"; 
>         //--> 
>         </script> 
> </head> 
> <frameset> 
>         <frame src="frame.html" /> 
> </frameset> 
> </html> 
> -------------------file: frame.html-------------------- 
> <html> 
> <head>    
>         <title>another something unimportant</title> 
> </head> 
> <body onLoad="alert('Did it work?' + top.myTestValue);"> 
>         A little text 
> </body> 
> </html> 
> ---------------------------------------------------------- 
>  
> 	What this should do is set a variable (top.myTestValue) that can be read from any frame 
> within the window, and then when the frame loads, you should get an alert window that says 
> "Did it work? Yes it worked!". But instead OmniWeb complains (in the JavaScript error log) 
> that 'top' is not a object ('[onload handler]:0: top has no properties'). 
> 	This setup works fine in Netscape, IE, and iCab, and conforms to the standards.. I think 
> this one counts as a bug. Oh.. and same behavior in OmniWeb 4b8 I have just realized (never 
> tracked down the error before). 
>  
> 	Karl Kuehn 
> 		larkost@softhome.net 
>  
> PS... I hope that later versions of OmniWeb will allow scripts to re-write frames... a 
> couple of my nicer scripts do that to limit bandwidth on downloads... 
>  

From eugene at anime.net  Wed Mar 14 11:53:16 2001
From: eugene at anime.net (Eugene Lee)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:43 2005
Subject: redirect from yahoo
In-Reply-To: <200103141916.NAA08621@kore.ghweb.com>; from jhallgren@ghweb.com on Wed, Mar 14, 2001 at 01:16:54PM -0600
References: <200103141916.NAA08621@kore.ghweb.com>
Message-ID: <20010314115449.C14894@anime.net>

On Wed, Mar 14, 2001 at 01:16:54PM -0600, Jeff Hallgren wrote:
: 
: I seem to be having a problem with Omniweb4.0b9 that I haven't noticed 
: before. I think I'm supposed to get a redirect from 
: http://www.yahoo.com/headlines/news/ and end up at 
: http://dailynews.yahoo.com/headlines/ts/ but today its not happening. 
: I'm on OSX 4k78.

The redirect works for me, OS X PB.


-- 
Eugene Lee
eugene@anime.net

From kc at omnigroup.com  Wed Mar 14 22:37:14 2001
From: kc at omnigroup.com (Ken Case)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:43 2005
Subject: redirect from yahoo
Message-ID: <200103150637.WAA00756@scyther.omnigroup.com>

> I'm on OSX 4k78.

OmniWeb 4.0 beta 9 was built for Public Beta, and is incompatible with 
later system releases (where the system frameworks have shifted 
around).  You can work around the specific problem with yahoo (and 
google and excite) by removing the inflate.plugin, but you're likely to 
run into other incompatibilities (e.g., https won't work at all).

The best thing to do would be to contact Skip Levens at Apple (slevens 
at apple.com) who can point you at the current release of OmniWeb 
(updated just yesterday, in fact).  As a special bonus, you'll actually 
get to see all the new features we've been working on in the last few 
months.

> Could I suggest that Omniweb set up a way for "us" to pay for a copy 
> via paypal?

You can actually pay via paypal today (and some people have), or you can 
wait until March 24 and purchase OmniWeb from our online store.

				Ken

From tmk at easynet.be  Thu Mar 15 09:06:56 2001
From: tmk at easynet.be (Tattoo Mabonzo K.)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:43 2005
Subject: redirect from yahoo
In-Reply-To: <200103141916.NAA08621@kore.ghweb.com>
Message-ID: <1227446492-1247249@microscript.net>

On Wednesday, March 14, 2001, at 08:16 , Jeff Hallgren wrote:

> I seem to be having a problem with Omniweb4.0b9 that I haven't noticed 
> before. I think I'm supposed to get a redirect from http://www.yahoo.com/
> headlines/news/ and end up at http://dailynews.yahoo.com/headlines/ts/ 
> but today its not happening. I'm on OSX 4k78.
>

I've observed the same behavior where I can no longer reach my.yahoo.com 
with OmniWeb. Maybe that's related to the install of OSX build 4k78 since 
it used to work a couple of days ago.

> Actually, I end up on a previously visited site sometimes, other times I 
> get a blank page.
>
> How's the GM release of Omniweb4.0 going?
>
> Could I suggest that Omniweb set up a way for "us" to pay for a copy via 
> paypal? It would be real convenient and would guarantee at least one sale 
> :)

I second this motion, although I'd suggest Kagi instead (I'm in Europe and 
it's much easier). More generally I think that Omni should setup an online 
shopping system where purchasing OmniWeb (or any other cool Omni app for 
that matter) would be just one-click away.

I swear I'd had already paid two OmniWeb licenses and a couple others for 
OmniGraffle it the process was made easier.

Thanks!

:-)

= tmk =

>
> Jeff
> _______________________________________________
> OmniWeb-l mailing list
> OmniWeb-l@omnigroup.com
> http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omniweb-l
>

From tmk at easynet.be  Thu Mar 15 15:07:09 2001
From: tmk at easynet.be (Tattoo Mabonzo K.)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:43 2005
Subject: redirect from yahoo
In-Reply-To: <200103150637.WAA00756@scyther.omnigroup.com>
Message-ID: <1227424871-2547879@microscript.net>

On Thursday, March 15, 2001, at 07:37 , Ken Case wrote:

>> I'm on OSX 4k78.
>
> OmniWeb 4.0 beta 9 was built for Public Beta, and is incompatible with 
> later system releases (where the system frameworks have shifted around).  
> You can work around the specific problem with yahoo (and google and 
> excite) by removing the inflate.plugin, but you're likely to run into 
> other incompatibilities (e.g., https won't work at all).
>
> The best thing to do would be to contact Skip Levens at Apple (slevens at 
> apple.com) who can point you at the current release of OmniWeb (updated 
> just yesterday, in fact).  As a special bonus, you'll actually get to see 
> all the new features we've been working on in the last few months.

Wowwww! :-)

= tmk =


From eugene at anime.net  Tue Mar 20 14:16:24 2001
From: eugene at anime.net (Eugene Lee)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:43 2005
Subject: page comes up blank
Message-ID: <20010320141621.A1431@anime.net>

Hi, I'm wondering why this page comes up blank in OmniWeb 4.0b9:

	http://www.jump-ing.de/proj/darwin.html

Does the page uses NOFRAMES incorrectly, or is it an OmniWeb issue?
Hopefully it renders fine in the next release.


-- 
Eugene Lee
eugene@anime.net

From ryan at tensor.com  Tue Mar 20 14:29:43 2001
From: ryan at tensor.com (Ryan Dingman)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:43 2005
Subject: page comes up blank
Message-ID: <200103202229.QAA25808@filburt.tensor.com>

This page also comes up blank on IE 5 on WinNT.  Whether or not this page
meant to use the noframes tag in this manner is a question for the author,
but browsers that support frames will ignore content enclosed in the
noframes tag.

Hope this helps.

ryan

--
Ryan Dingman
Tensor Information Systems, Inc.
ryan@tensor.com


On Tue, 20 Mar 2001 14:16:21 -0800 Eugene Lee wrote:

> Hi, I'm wondering why this page comes up blank in OmniWeb 4.0b9:
> 
>	  http://www.jump-ing.de/proj/darwin.html
> 
> Does the page uses NOFRAMES incorrectly, or is it an OmniWeb issue?
> Hopefully it renders fine in the next release.
> 
> 
> -- 
> Eugene Lee
> eugene@anime.net
> _______________________________________________
> OmniWeb-l mailing list
> OmniWeb-l@omnigroup.com
> http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omniweb-l
> 







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From sanguish at digifix.com  Tue Mar 20 18:22:12 2001
From: sanguish at digifix.com (Scott Anguish)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:43 2005
Subject: Really Funky Behaviour on openssl.org
Message-ID: <auto-000000861631@digifix.com>

There is this bizzare text crawl happening on this site... it slows OW 
(the latest version) to a crawl.

http://www.openssl.org

From eugene at anime.net  Wed Mar 21 11:54:49 2001
From: eugene at anime.net (Eugene Lee)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:43 2005
Subject: Really Funky Behaviour on openssl.org
In-Reply-To: <auto-000000861631@digifix.com>; from sanguish@digifix.com on Tue, Mar 20, 2001 at 09:21:45PM -0500
References: <auto-000000861631@digifix.com>
Message-ID: <20010321115427.B2570@anime.net>

On Tue, Mar 20, 2001 at 09:21:45PM -0500, Scott Anguish wrote:
: 
: There is this bizzare text crawl happening on this site... it slows OW 
: (the latest version) to a crawl.
: 
: http://www.openssl.org

Doesn't happen for me.  OmniWeb 4.0b9, OS X PB.  :-/


-- 
Eugene Lee
eugene@anime.net

From tmk at easynet.be  Wed Mar 21 12:48:10 2001
From: tmk at easynet.be (Tattoo Mabonzo K.)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:43 2005
Subject: OW and Passive FTP
Message-ID: <1226914814-33229949@microscript.net>

Yo!

I was wondering is there a way to force OW (sneakypeek9) into downloading 
via FTP in passive mode (e.g. to download seed from ADC)?

TIA

= tmk =

From kc at omnigroup.com  Wed Mar 21 14:38:27 2001
From: kc at omnigroup.com (Ken Case)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:43 2005
Subject: OW and Passive FTP
Message-ID: <200103212238.OAA09479@scyther.omnigroup.com>

> I was wondering is there a way to force OW (sneakypeek9) into 
> downloading via FTP in passive mode (e.g. to download seed from ADC)?

OmniWeb always tries passive FTP first, but if the server doesn't 
support passive FTP (e.g., because it's behind a firewall) then it falls 
back on trying active FTP.

If both OmniWeb and the server are behind (different) firewalls, you 
can't use direct FTP whether passive or active (unless one of the 
firewalls is smart enough to interpret your ftp conversation and 
temporarily another port).  The typical solution to this problem is to 
use a proxy server (which the firewall must know about), and have it 
make those ftp connections for you.

				Ken

From sanguish at digifix.com  Wed Mar 21 14:48:58 2001
From: sanguish at digifix.com (Scott Anguish)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:43 2005
Subject: Really Funky Behaviour on openssl.org
In-Reply-To: <20010321115427.B2570@anime.net>
Message-ID: <B6DE9A04.309C%sanguish@digifix.com>

On 3/21/01 2:54 PM, "Eugene Lee" <eugene@anime.net> wrote:

> On Tue, Mar 20, 2001 at 09:21:45PM -0500, Scott Anguish wrote:
> : 
> : There is this bizzare text crawl happening on this site... it slows OW
> : (the latest version) to a crawl.
> : 
> : http://www.openssl.org
> 
> Doesn't happen for me.  OmniWeb 4.0b9, OS X PB.  :-/
> 

    This is actually the latest version (sneakypeek 9)


From kc at omnigroup.com  Wed Mar 21 14:54:13 2001
From: kc at omnigroup.com (Ken Case)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:43 2005
Subject: Really Funky Behaviour on openssl.org
Message-ID: <200103212254.OAA10573@scyther.omnigroup.com>

> There is this bizzare text crawl happening on this site... it slows OW 
> (the latest version) to a crawl.

Thanks for the bug report, this problem is fixed in the latest internal 
build.  (We'll post an update later today.)

				Ken

From tmk at easynet.be  Wed Mar 21 15:38:51 2001
From: tmk at easynet.be (Tattoo Mabonzo K.)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:43 2005
Subject: OW and Passive FTP
In-Reply-To: <200103212238.OAA09479@scyther.omnigroup.com>
Message-ID: <1226904581-33845530@microscript.net>

On Wednesday, March 21, 2001, at 11:38 , Ken Case wrote:

>> I was wondering is there a way to force OW (sneakypeek9) into 
>> downloading via FTP in passive mode (e.g. to download seed from ADC)?
>
> OmniWeb always tries passive FTP first, but if the server doesn't support 
> passive FTP (e.g., because it's behind a firewall) then it falls back on 
> trying active FTP.
>
> If both OmniWeb and the server are behind (different) firewalls, you can'
> t use direct FTP whether passive or active (unless one of the firewalls 
> is smart enough to interpret your ftp conversation and temporarily 
> another port).  The typical solution to this problem is to use a proxy 
> server (which the firewall must know about), and have it make those ftp 
> connections for you.
>

Thanks Ken.
My problems were related to some transient failures it seems since I can 
now dl stuff w/o problems.

= tmk =

From bchin at mdimension.com  Thu Mar 22 08:24:43 2001
From: bchin at mdimension.com (Bill Chin)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:43 2005
Subject: remaining issues wrt speakypeek
Message-ID: <200103221624.LAA22503@mail.richmond.net>

The OmniWeb sneakypeek versions are awesome. Except for the last one... 
sp 10 is really flaky. I can run sp 9 for hours upon hours, throwing all 
sorts of sites at it and it just chugs along. sp 10 throws up in 5 
minutes (this happens on a variety of machines). sp 9, after a while, 
will have a problem. Plus, it appears to hang more often on a MP box, 
but I don't have hard evidence on that one.

There are also some remaining JavaScript issues that proves to be a 
stumbling block for OmniWeb. Invariably, many web sites have forms that 
use JavaScript often when I click on the submit or equivalent button, 
nothing happens in OmniWeb. I think this may be the same reason why I 
can't use Datek with OW. Also look at the difference between OW and IE 
on http://www.covadbiz.com/. The IE rendering includes indented bullet 
items. I am so hoping these remaining JavaScript issues can be nailed 
soon so that I don't need to ever run IE.

Thanks!

..Bill Chin

From Axel.Rau at Chaos1.DE  Thu Mar 22 08:26:57 2001
From: Axel.Rau at Chaos1.DE (Axel Rau)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:43 2005
Subject: (no subject)
Message-ID: <200103221626.f2MGQp620562@chaos1.in.chaos1.de>

Hi,

sp10 crashes immediately when I access
	https://services.db-privatebanking.de/
via my squid proxy (see Crashreport I just sent).

Proxydefaults are:
        OWProxyServers = (
             {
                 destinations = (in.chaos1.de, chaos1, localhost, 
chaos1.in.chaos1.de);
                 proxyURL = "(non-proxied destinations)";
             },
             {active = NO; proxyURL = "(non-proxied protocols)"; 
schemes = (https); },
             {proxyURL = "https://chaos1.in.chaos1.de:3128/"; 
schemes = (https); },
             {proxyURL = "http://chaos1.in.chaos1.de:3128/"; 
schemes = (http, ftp); }
         );

Axel

From jhallgren at ghweb.com  Sat Mar 24 09:34:08 2001
From: jhallgren at ghweb.com (Jeff Hallgren)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:43 2005
Subject: 4.0cf1
Message-ID: <200103241733.LAA08977@kore.ghweb.com>

I seem to be having some java, redirect, odd server messages - problems 
and crashes and was wondering if there was an estimate of when Omniweb 
will be stable and useable.
Jeff

From afleming at andrew.cmu.edu  Sat Mar 24 11:59:45 2001
From: afleming at andrew.cmu.edu (Andrew Fleming)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:43 2005
Subject: typing in cf1
Message-ID: <200103241959.OAA07478@smtp2.andrew.cmu.edu>

Twice now, while using OW4cf1 (since around 3 AM EST), I have gotten a 
strange bug where OW will stop accepting keyboard input of any sort.  I 
can't type in the address field.  Keyboard commands are ignored.  
However, I can copy (from stickies) and address, and paste it into the 
address field using the menu.  And then drag the address to the window 
(since it doesn't accept the return).  The second time occurred after I 
had been watching some quicktime movies in OW.

--Andy Fleming

From abridge at mac.com  Sat Mar 24 15:36:46 2001
From: abridge at mac.com (Adam Bridge)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:43 2005
Subject: Secure sockets problem?
In-Reply-To: <200103222006.MAA10427@scyther.omnigroup.com>
Message-ID: <B6E26F72.9329%abridge@mac.com>

I've tried to log into several sites with SSL and get errors.

Is this a know problem?

Amazon.com is one, O'Reilly is another.

Adam


From macguy at macs.net  Sat Mar 24 18:14:26 2001
From: macguy at macs.net (David Parker)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:44 2005
Subject: Download Folder.
Message-ID: <1226636023-54254349@macs.net>

I'm new to OmniWeb and used beta 4 v 9 to download the new version 
posted today. Where does OmniWeb put the downloaded file? I checked 
~/Library/Desktop and don't see it ... just OpenBase and the budget 
program that I've downloaded.

Also, how should I update? Do I uninstall and how? Does installing a 
package take care of updating the components. This is more of a OSX 
question.

I didn't have this issue when I got the beta because I had to use IE to 
download it.

BTW, I think OmniWeb is very nice. I hope the new version supports 
secure sockets and 128bit encryption. Then, I think I don't need IE or 
(classic) Netscape.

david

From lfrancis at magnet.com  Sat Mar 24 19:51:32 2001
From: lfrancis at magnet.com (lfrancis)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:44 2005
Subject: document.close() bug squashed in release?
Message-ID: <3ABD6B91.509C8570@magnet.com>

Wouldn't you know it -- picked up OS X on Thursday at Staples and  my
iMac's vid/analog board punts, leaving me nothing to install  it upon.
Sigh.

Anyone know if the "document.close() is not a function" bug in 4.0b9 is
fixed in the release version of OmniWeb 4?

-Lewis


From eugene at anime.net  Sat Mar 24 22:08:02 2001
From: eugene at anime.net (Eugene Lee)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:44 2005
Subject: Download Folder.
In-Reply-To: <1226636023-54254349@macs.net>; from macguy@macs.net on Sat, Mar 24, 2001 at 09:14:28PM -0500
References: <1226636023-54254349@macs.net>
Message-ID: <20010324220852.E23824@anime.net>

On Sat, Mar 24, 2001 at 09:14:28PM -0500, David Parker wrote:
: 
: I'm new to OmniWeb and used beta 4 v 9 to download the new version 
: posted today. Where does OmniWeb put the downloaded file? I checked 
: ~/Library/Desktop and don't see it ... just OpenBase and the budget 
: program that I've downloaded.

What about ~/Documents ?

If it's not there, Preferences -> Download -> Download Directory.

: Also, how should I update? Do I uninstall and how? Does installing a 
: package take care of updating the components. This is more of a OSX 
: question.

Just delete the old app and drag in the new app.  Mac OS X apps are
actually packages/bundles that contain all the components they need.


-- 
Eugene Lee
eugene@anime.net

From bchin at mdimension.com  Sun Mar 25 05:47:28 2001
From: bchin at mdimension.com (Bill Chin)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:44 2005
Subject: godgames site crash
Message-ID: <200103251347.IAA20484@mail.richmond.net>

OmniWeb 4.0fc1 repeatedly crashes playing the beginning intro to 
www.godgames.com. Strangely, no OmniCrashCatcher comes up either.

Too bad fc1 isn't as stable as sneak peek 9 overall (don't know if the 
above bug is in sp9 too).

..Bill Chin
M Dimension Technology

From tom at bluesky.org  Sun Mar 25 08:33:10 2001
From: tom at bluesky.org (Tom Gewecke)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:44 2005
Subject: Importing Bookmarks
Message-ID: <3ABE1DDA.D8D30E3F@bluesky.org>

Does anyone have a good trick for importing a long list of netscape
bookmarks into the latest OS X Omniweb?  I moved the file but only a
small part got recognized and translated.

Thanks!  tom@bluesky.org


From magn0lia at mac.com  Sun Mar 25 08:43:10 2001
From: magn0lia at mac.com (Magn0lia)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:44 2005
Subject: typing in cf1
In-Reply-To: <200103241959.OAA07478@smtp2.andrew.cmu.edu>
References: <200103241959.OAA07478@smtp2.andrew.cmu.edu>
Message-ID: <a05100900b6e3d094f75f@[205.219.91.70]>

At 2:59 PM -0500 3/24/01, Andrew Fleming wrote:
>Twice now, while using OW4cf1 (since around 3 AM EST), I have gotten 
>a strange bug where OW will stop accepting keyboard input of any 
>sort.  I can't type in the address field.  Keyboard commands are 
>ignored.  However, I can copy (from stickies) and address, and paste 
>it into the address field using the menu.  And then drag the address 
>to the window (since it doesn't accept the return).  The second time 
>occurred after I had been watching some quicktime movies in OW.

This has happened to me too, but I hadn't connected it with whether 
QT had loaded or not. Maybe there is a problem with the plugin.

-- 
Magn0lia

From kc at omnigroup.com  Sun Mar 25 09:39:44 2001
From: kc at omnigroup.com (Ken Case)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:44 2005
Subject: typing in cf1
Message-ID: <200103251739.JAA17980@omnigroup.com>

There's a bug with the QuickTime plug-in which causes keyboard events to 
stop getting delivered to Cocoa.  The bad news is we have no idea what's 
going on (some weird interaction between the Carbon and Cocoa event 
loops, presumably), but the good news is it's 100% reproducible so 
hopefully we'll be able to track it down soon.

(Note that QuickTime movies sometimes appear in advertisements, so 
sometimes you'll play a QuickTime movie without realizing it.)

				Ken

From macguy at macs.net  Sun Mar 25 11:16:14 2001
From: macguy at macs.net (David Parker)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:44 2005
Subject: Download Folder.
In-Reply-To: <20010324220852.E23824@anime.net>
Message-ID: <1226574723-57942776@macs.net>

No, it's not in ~/Documents either. And, Preferences -> Download -> 
Download Directory has the defautl (at least for me) ~/Library/Desktop.

I'll use IE to download it.

On Sunday, March 25, 2001, at 01:08 AM, Eugene Lee wrote:

> On Sat, Mar 24, 2001 at 09:14:28PM -0500, David Parker wrote:
> :
>
> What about ~/Documents ?
>
> If it's not there, Preferences -> Download -> Download Directory.
>
> Just delete the old app and drag in the new app.  Mac OS X apps are
> actually packages/bundles that contain all the components they need.
>

This is nice to have an application deployment means that doesn't litter 
the file system with it's odd 'n' ends. Just deleting the application 
takes care of it.

thanks,
david

From afleming at andrew.cmu.edu  Sun Mar 25 11:46:14 2001
From: afleming at andrew.cmu.edu (Andrew Fleming)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:44 2005
Subject: Download Folder.
In-Reply-To: <1226574723-57942776@macs.net>
Message-ID: <200103251946.OAA06020@smtp1.andrew.cmu.edu>

I had a similar problem with OWb9 under OS X 4k78.  None of the 
downloads seemed to get to the disk.  But if I then cntrl-clicked on the 
link, and told it to save to the download folder, it appeared.  Very 
weird.  So if you haven't already tainted your computer's RAM with IE, 
there's your solution!  (or you could use wget <address of the file> 
from Terminal.app)

--Andy

On Sunday, March 25, 2001, at 02:16 PM, David Parker wrote:

> No, it's not in ~/Documents either. And, Preferences -> Download -> 
> Download Directory has the defautl (at least for me) ~/Library/Desktop.
>
> I'll use IE to download it.
>
> On Sunday, March 25, 2001, at 01:08 AM, Eugene Lee wrote:
>
>> On Sat, Mar 24, 2001 at 09:14:28PM -0500, David Parker wrote:
>> :
>>
>> What about ~/Documents ?
>>
>> If it's not there, Preferences -> Download -> Download Directory.
>>
>> Just delete the old app and drag in the new app.  Mac OS X apps are
>> actually packages/bundles that contain all the components they need.
>>
>
> This is nice to have an application deployment means that doesn't 
> litter the file system with it's odd 'n' ends. Just deleting the 
> application takes care of it.
>
> thanks,
> david
> _______________________________________________
> OmniWeb-l mailing list
> OmniWeb-l@omnigroup.com
> http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omniweb-l
>

From macguy at macs.net  Sun Mar 25 11:57:31 2001
From: macguy at macs.net (David Parker)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:44 2005
Subject: Download Folder.
In-Reply-To: <200103251946.OAA06020@smtp1.andrew.cmu.edu>
Message-ID: <1226572204-58094309@macs.net>

I haven't corrupted RAM yet with IE. ;-)) Since posting last, I've been 
playing with Speakable Items. This is neat.

I'll do the cntr-click suggestion and see if that works. But, it's still 
interesting that all other downloads show up when using OW but the new 
OW download itself doesn't. It's like what used to happen with IE and 
Netscape. Netscape worked until IE ran, then Netscape started having 
"problems".

thanks,
david


On Sunday, March 25, 2001, at 02:46 PM, Andrew Fleming wrote:

> I had a similar problem with OWb9 under OS X 4k78.  None of the 
> downloads seemed to get to the disk.  But if I then cntrl-clicked on 
> the link, and told it to save to the download folder, it appeared.  
> Very weird.  So if you haven't already tainted your computer's RAM with 
> IE, there's your solution!  (or you could use wget <address of the 
> file> from Terminal.app)
>

From bchin at mdimension.com  Mon Mar 26 10:58:29 2001
From: bchin at mdimension.com (Bill Chin)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:44 2005
Subject: contextual menu save link to...
Message-ID: <200103261857.NAA11195@mail.richmond.net>

When using the contextual menu's "Save link to..." feature, the name of 
the item selected isn't automatically placed in the Save as: text 
field.  Plus, the sheet doesn't remember the last directory I saved 
to... it always goes back to the root directory on the startup volume. 
This is with 4.0cf1.

..Bill Chin
M Dimension Technology

From kc at omnigroup.com  Mon Mar 26 11:48:41 2001
From: kc at omnigroup.com (Ken Case)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:44 2005
Subject: OmniWeb 4.0 code freeze 2 is now available
Message-ID: <200103261039.CAA29229@omnigroup.com>

To download, visit http://www.omnigroup.com/products/omniweb/download/.  
Release notes are at 
http://www.omnigroup.com/products/omniweb/releasenotes/.

				Ken

From eugene at anime.net  Mon Mar 26 14:41:49 2001
From: eugene at anime.net (Eugene Lee)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:44 2005
Subject: godgames site crash
In-Reply-To: <200103251347.IAA20484@mail.richmond.net>; from bchin@mdimension.com on Sun, Mar 25, 2001 at 08:47:19AM -0500
References: <200103251347.IAA20484@mail.richmond.net>
Message-ID: <20010326144206.B6895@anime.net>

On Sun, Mar 25, 2001 at 08:47:19AM -0500, Bill Chin wrote:
: 
: OmniWeb 4.0fc1 repeatedly crashes playing the beginning intro to 
: www.godgames.com. Strangely, no OmniCrashCatcher comes up either.

I get the same problem with 4.0fc2.  I'm waiting for an open FTP
connection to download and try out 4.0fc3.  :)


-- 
Eugene Lee
eugene@anime.net

From eugene at anime.net  Mon Mar 26 16:18:46 2001
From: eugene at anime.net (Eugene Lee)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:44 2005
Subject: OmniWeb not launching
In-Reply-To: <200103261039.CAA29229@omnigroup.com>; from kc@omnigroup.com on Mon, Mar 26, 2001 at 02:38:44AM -0800
References: <200103261039.CAA29229@omnigroup.com>
Message-ID: <20010326161904.A8960@anime.net>

I was running 4.0cf1 before www.godgames.com crashed on me.  I tried to
restart it, but the icon would bounce once and then disappear.  I just
(finally!) downloaded 4.0cf3, but it does the same thing.  The console
reports this:

	dyld: /Users/eugene/Applications/OmniWeb.app/Contents/MacOS/OmniWeb can't open library: /System/Library/Frameworks/LDAP.framework/Versions/A/LDAP  (No such file or directory, errno = 2)

I'm going to reboot...


-- 
Eugene Lee
eugene@anime.net

From tom at bluesky.org  Mon Mar 26 16:32:19 2001
From: tom at bluesky.org (Tom Gewecke)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:44 2005
Subject: MacNN pages won't load
In-Reply-To: <20010326161904.A8960@anime.net>
Message-ID: <200103270032.f2R0WEC25062@papa>

With both cf1 and cf3 today I can never get the MacNN OSX page or forums 
page to load.  The former is just white and the latter produces a bomb.  
MacNN home works fine.

From ddaix at mac.com  Mon Mar 26 16:58:38 2001
From: ddaix at mac.com (David-Artur Daix)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:44 2005
Subject: Helper applications: how to set?
Message-ID: <B6E5B234.4216%ddaix@mac.com>

I'm having some trouble making OmniWeb pass downloaded files to the proper
helper application for post-processing, and I can't find anyway to access
those settings either in the Internet preferences pane or in OmniWeb's
preferences. Namely, .hqx files are never handed to Expander, nor .gz file,
while .sit.hqx files are often sent to Word. The Inspector window is no
help, since all those files sport a ???? Type, for which, naturally, no
default application can be assigned. And I can't find a way to get at the
MIME and/or file extension settings. Internet Explorer, on the other hand,
offers, among its preferences, a file helpers section similar to that found
in the Internet control panel's Advanced Tab under Mac OS 9 and reproduced
in the Internet Explorer 5 (Classic) preferences. And it does call upon
Expander to decode .hqx and .gz files. I'm sure I'm missing something
obvious: can someone help me sort through this? Thanks.

D.


From ddaix at mac.com  Mon Mar 26 17:31:54 2001
From: ddaix at mac.com (David-Artur Daix)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:44 2005
Subject: Bookmarks drawer questions/suggestions
Message-ID: <B6E5BA09.4219%ddaix@mac.com>

When I drag a bookmark proxy from the location line to the right of the
current window, the Bookmark drawer doesn't pop-out. Is it normal? Shouldn't
pop-out so that I may drop the bookmark in there?

Also, when the drawer is open and I drag a bookmark over a folder in there,
it would be nice if the folder could expand temporarily, and then collapse
again once the bookmark is in place.

D.


From eugene at anime.net  Mon Mar 26 17:57:10 2001
From: eugene at anime.net (Eugene Lee)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:44 2005
Subject: [solved] Re: OmniWeb not launching
In-Reply-To: <20010326161904.A8960@anime.net>; from eugene@anime.net on Mon, Mar 26, 2001 at 04:19:04PM -0800
References: <200103261039.CAA29229@omnigroup.com> <20010326161904.A8960@anime.net>
Message-ID: <20010326175737.A10860@anime.net>

On Mon, Mar 26, 2001 at 04:19:04PM -0800, Eugene Lee wrote:
: 
: I was running 4.0cf1 before www.godgames.com crashed on me.  I tried to
: restart it, but the icon would bounce once and then disappear.  I just
: (finally!) downloaded 4.0cf3, but it does the same thing.  The console
: reports this:
: 
: 	dyld: /Users/eugene/Applications/OmniWeb.app/Contents/MacOS/OmniWeb can't open library: /System/Library/Frameworks/LDAP.framework/Versions/A/LDAP  (No such file or directory, errno = 2)
: 
: I'm going to reboot...

For those who are curious, it appears that part of my system got
corrupted or deleted when OmniWeb died.  It didn't help that the account
I've set up for my personal use was also enabled as an administrator.  I
turned this off in NetInfo.  I ended up re-installing OS X.  Blah.


-- 
Eugene Lee
eugene@anime.net

From russh59 at home.com  Mon Mar 26 22:11:59 2001
From: russh59 at home.com (Russ Harlan)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:44 2005
Subject: Flash?
Message-ID: <20010327061147.YTI25571.mail.rdc1.tx.home.com@localhost>

How do I install Flash support for OmniWeb?

Thanks for a terrific browser. Let me assure you, once the dust settles, I 
will be paying the license fee and "poofing" IE from my dock for good! :)

--
R U S S   H A R L A N    |    russh@mac.com


From kc at omnigroup.com  Tue Mar 27 00:48:14 2001
From: kc at omnigroup.com (Ken Case)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:44 2005
Subject: MacNN pages won't load
Message-ID: <200103270848.AAA08810@omnigroup.com>

> With both cf1 and cf3 today I can never get the MacNN OSX page or 
> forums page to load.

I noticed that earlier today also, but I think it was a transient server 
problem.  (Unfortunately, I didn't double-check at the time using IE, 
and I don't seem to be seeing the problem now.)

				Ken

From nextstep at h2.dion.ne.jp  Tue Mar 27 03:33:00 2001
From: nextstep at h2.dion.ne.jp (nextstep@h2.dion.ne.jp)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:44 2005
Subject: Still NG with cf3
Message-ID: <20010327113247543.EMQD@hfep03.dion.ne.jp>

Hi,

http://www.gartner.co.jp/ is not obtainable with 4.0 cf3 yet and it 
shows as follows in the window.

"Cannot Load Address

-[OHLayerHTMLView relayout] must be called from the main thread"

Doesn't  this web page conform the HTML standards?

Regards,
Kazu

From steve at sillybone.com  Tue Mar 27 04:04:20 2001
From: steve at sillybone.com (Steve Febbraro)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:44 2005
Subject: Still NG with cf3
In-Reply-To: <20010327113247543.EMQD@hfep03.dion.ne.jp>
Message-ID: <B6E5ECC9.1AC4%steve@sillybone.com>

If you've got some time, give this page a try. Displays fine in IE, iCab,
but in cf3, it displays in what looks like Japanese characters.

http://www.digitalphotocontest.com/howitworks.asp

on 3/27/01 6:32 AM, nextstep@h2.dion.ne.jp at nextstep@h2.dion.ne.jp wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> http://www.gartner.co.jp/ is not obtainable with 4.0 cf3 yet and it
> shows as follows in the window.
> 
> "Cannot Load Address
> 
> -[OHLayerHTMLView relayout] must be called from the main thread"
> 
> Doesn't  this web page conform the HTML standards?
> 
> Regards,
> Kazu
> _______________________________________________
> OmniWeb-l mailing list
> OmniWeb-l@omnigroup.com
> http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omniweb-l
> 

Steve
http://community.webshots.com/user/stefeb12



From nextstep at h2.dion.ne.jp  Tue Mar 27 04:04:30 2001
From: nextstep at h2.dion.ne.jp (Kazu Kimura)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:44 2005
Subject: Still NG with cf3
In-Reply-To: <200103271150.DAA15977@smtpout.mac.com>
Message-ID: <20010327120405880.JTCJ@hfep04.dion.ne.jp>

Jeremy,

I confirmed the same situation with http://www.gartner.com.  Anyway, IE 
will show it correctly.  Please investigate further.

Regards,
Kazu

On 2001.03.27, at 20:50, Jeremy Lavergne wrote:

> It appeared to be working fine in my OmniWeb cf3, but it eventually 
> loaded the same error.  There are some strange characters in the title 
> (probably because it is Japanese), but other than that it appears to be 
> okay.
>
> After it loads, the message does appear, but that is only in the top 
> "Content"  frame.  The bottom "Footer" frame still appears to be okay.  
> The same problem holds true for the garter.com site.  It may be coding, 
> but will check into it later.
>

From nextstep at h2.dion.ne.jp  Tue Mar 27 05:16:07 2001
From: nextstep at h2.dion.ne.jp (Kazu Kimura)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:44 2005
Subject: Still NG with cf3
In-Reply-To: <B6E5ECC9.1AC4%steve@sillybone.com>
Message-ID: <20010327131529710.FOG@hfep01.dion.ne.jp>

Steve,

I don't think this page includes Japanese characters.   I believe 
OmniWeb understands the page differently than IE and iCab.   But I don't 
know the meaning of repeated "?/TD>"

Ummm,  Japanese people cannot purchase current OmniWeb even though it is 
the most beautiful browser.

Kazu

On 2001.03.27, at 21:07, Steve Febbraro wrote:

> If you've got some time, give this page a try. Displays fine in IE, 
> iCab,
> but in cf3, it displays in what looks like Japanese characters.
>
> http://www.digitalphotocontest.com/howitworks.asp
>
> on 3/27/01 6:32 AM, nextstep@h2.dion.ne.jp at nextstep@h2.dion.ne.jp 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> http://www.gartner.co.jp/ is not obtainable with 4.0 cf3 yet and it
>> shows as follows in the window.
>>
>> "Cannot Load Address
>>
>> -[OHLayerHTMLView relayout] must be called from the main thread"
>>
>> Doesn't  this web page conform the HTML standards?
>>
>> Regards,
>> Kazu
>> _______________________________________________
>> OmniWeb-l mailing list
>> OmniWeb-l@omnigroup.com
>> http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omniweb-l
>>
>
> Steve
> http://community.webshots.com/user/stefeb12
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> OmniWeb-l mailing list
> OmniWeb-l@omnigroup.com
> http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omniweb-l
>

From avni at mac.com  Tue Mar 27 07:16:05 2001
From: avni at mac.com (Avni Klein)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:44 2005
Subject: Datek
Message-ID: <200103271516.KAA15743@doc.mssm.edu>

in cf3, logging into Datek Online (www.datek.com) almost works. Now, 
instead of getting an error, I get the authentication dialog, but the 
actual page, https://investment.datek.com/ stays blank.

Confirm?

Avni

From magn0lia at mac.com  Tue Mar 27 08:39:24 2001
From: magn0lia at mac.com (Magn0lia)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:44 2005
Subject: paypal?
Message-ID: <a05100901b6e6728a1ed2@[205.219.91.70]>

I thought I had read on this list that users can buy a license for 
OmniWeb using Paypal. However, the payment page at omnigroup doesn't 
mention this as an option. Is it possible, and if so, what are the 
details? Thanks.
-- 
Magn0lia

From andrew at omnigroup.com  Tue Mar 27 09:07:09 2001
From: andrew at omnigroup.com (Andrew Abernathy)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:44 2005
Subject: paypal?
In-Reply-To: <a05100901b6e6728a1ed2@[205.219.91.70]>
Message-ID: <200103271707.JAA08876@omnigroup.com>

I haven't had to deal with it, so I don't actually know the PayPal 
details. However, if you just want a way to pay via the web, our store 
is now online at http://store.omnigroup.com/.

-andrew


On Tuesday, March 27, 2001, at 08:39 AM, Magn0lia wrote:

> I thought I had read on this list that users can buy a license for 
> OmniWeb using Paypal. However, the payment page at omnigroup doesn't 
> mention this as an option. Is it possible, and if so, what are the 
> details? Thanks.
> -- Magn0lia

From cortig at planete.net  Tue Mar 27 09:14:30 2001
From: cortig at planete.net (Corentin =?iso-8859-1?Q?Cras=2DM=E9neur?=)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:44 2005
Subject: paypal?
In-Reply-To: <200103271707.JAA08876@omnigroup.com>
References: <200103271707.JAA08876@omnigroup.com>
Message-ID: <p05100807b6e67a5604dc@[192.168.6.54]>

? 9:06 -0800 le 27/03/01, Andrew Abernathy a ?crit:
>
>>I thought I had read on this list that users can buy a license for 
>>OmniWeb using Paypal. However, the payment page at omnigroup 
>>doesn't mention this as an option. Is it possible, and if so, what 
>>are the details? Thanks.
>>-- Magn0lia

    I just checked here and I got a message saying that I could not 
establish a secure connection (the identity of the emmitor was 
unknown)...


		Corentin


From andrew at omnigroup.com  Tue Mar 27 09:22:56 2001
From: andrew at omnigroup.com (Andrew Abernathy)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:44 2005
Subject: paypal?
In-Reply-To: <p05100807b6e67a5604dc@[192.168.6.54]>
Message-ID: <200103271722.JAA10324@omnigroup.com>

>    I just checked here and I got a message saying that I could not 
> establish a secure connection (the identity of the emmitor was 
> unknown)...

We don't have a signed certificate yet, just an unsigned one we created, 
which (as I understand it - I'm not terribly knowledgeable about this) 
means that we're susceptible to man-in-the-middle attacks: someone could 
potentially masquerade as us, accept your connection, forward your 
connection to us, pretending to be you, and have access to the info 
flowing between us.

Ken's dealing with getting us a signed cert, so if you're worried about 
it and want to wait, we should have that up within a few days, anyway.

-andrew

From Axel.Rau at Chaos1.DE  Tue Mar 27 11:23:38 2001
From: Axel.Rau at Chaos1.DE (Axel Rau)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:44 2005
Subject: crashes with https via proxy
Message-ID: <200103271922.f2RJMT607299@chaos1.in.chaos1.de>

Hi,

Does anybody else see this crash?

OmniWeb (4.0 code freeze 3) crashes while opening https via squid proxy.
Interesting: It says "Tunneling via target-url:443 to target-url" .
I would expect "Tunneling via proxy-url to target-url"

Here are my proxy prefs:

     OWProxyServers = (
         {
             destinations = (in.chaos1.de, chaos1, localhost, 
chaos1.in.chaos1.de);
             proxyURL = "(non-proxied destinations)";
         },
         {active = NO; proxyURL = "(non-proxied protocols)"; 
schemes = (https); },
         {proxyURL = "https://chaos1.in.chaos1.de:3128/"; 
schemes = (https); },
         {proxyURL = "http://chaos1.in.chaos1.de:3128/"; 
schemes = (http, ftp); }
     );

Axel

Computing @ Chaos Claudius -Motivation by consistency: OPENSTEP
Axel Rau, Frankfurt, Germany    Phone:49-69-951418-0,  Fax: -55
email:Axel.Rau@Chaos1.DE,Mime ok,MS-Word-documents only as HTML

From sb.list at sb.org  Tue Mar 27 11:37:16 2001
From: sb.list at sb.org (Stonewall Ballard)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:44 2005
Subject: PDF printing uses URL chars
Message-ID: <p05100906b6e69bb6de5a@[192.168.0.64]>

Using OmniWeb cf3, I just printed a web page as a pdf document, and 
found that the name I gave "a b" came out as "a%20b.pdf".

Is this OmniWeb's doing? Please fix it if so.

Thanks.

   - Stoney
-- 

From lasse at fam-larsson.nu  Tue Mar 27 11:59:36 2001
From: lasse at fam-larsson.nu (Lasse Larsson)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:44 2005
Subject: No Subject
Message-ID: <20010327195911.25111@mail.space2u.com>

The site www.oeb.se doesn't render at all. Why? Will there be a fix soon?



Best Regards,

Lasse Larsson


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From abridge at mac.com  Tue Mar 27 12:56:31 2001
From: abridge at mac.com (Adam Bridge)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:44 2005
Subject: NYTime and 2-pop.com presenting problems
In-Reply-To: <200103272019.MAA00331@omnigroup.com>
Message-ID: <B6E63E67.97CF%abridge@mac.com>

I can't get the NY Times (from the bookmark) to load in F3.

And www.2-pop.com STILL doesn't render properly. Is it the frames or
something. Go back to the original bug reports because it behaves precisely
the same time and after time.

Renders great in IE and Netscape.

Adam Bridge


From russh59 at home.com  Tue Mar 27 13:40:11 2001
From: russh59 at home.com (Russ Harlan)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:44 2005
Subject: Flash No Go
Message-ID: <20010327213954.CAGT25571.mail.rdc1.tx.home.com@localhost>

Flash is still not working for me in code freeze 3. Can anyone proffer a 
suggestion? (I'm assuming I can't download the Flash player from the web 
site.)

From abridge at mac.com  Tue Mar 27 15:18:23 2001
From: abridge at mac.com (Adam Bridge)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:44 2005
Subject: NYTime and 2-pop.com presenting problems
Message-ID: <B6E65FA4.9805%abridge@mac.com>

on 3/27/01 1:36 PM, Russ Harlan at russh@mac.com thoughtfully wrote:

> Both of these sites load fine for me, using code freeze 3.
> 

Go to the 2-pop site, then attempt to read the on-line forums. You'll be
left with a large empty frame with information on the top and left side.

Sometimes I can get access to one or two of the discussion areas.

This has been a problem since the early releases of this software and  has
not been addressed.

Ab


From abridge at mac.com  Tue Mar 27 18:33:25 2001
From: abridge at mac.com (Adam Bridge)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:44 2005
Subject: Omniweb doesn't recognize the dock has moved
In-Reply-To: <200103272019.MAA00331@omnigroup.com>
Message-ID: <B6E68D71.985E%abridge@mac.com>

If you move the dock over to, say, the right side of the screen on a TiBook
(oh boy is that wide screen appreciated) OmniWeb doesn't recognize the dock
has moved and won't let you resize the page down below the level where the
dock would be if it were still at the bottom of the sceen.

Something to play with...

Adam


From andrew at omnigroup.com  Wed Mar 28 01:03:43 2001
From: andrew at omnigroup.com (Andrew Abernathy)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:44 2005
Subject: No Subject
In-Reply-To: <20010327195911.25111@mail.space2u.com>
Message-ID: <200103280903.BAA13689@omnigroup.com>

It works for me. But it didn't the first time I tried - I had to have it 
redisplay. Needs more investigation...

-andrew


On Tuesday, March 27, 2001, at 11:59 AM, Lasse Larsson wrote:

> The site www.oeb.se doesn't render at all. Why? Will there be a fix 
> soon?

From eaw01998 at pomona.edu  Wed Mar 28 02:07:31 2001
From: eaw01998 at pomona.edu (Eric Weiss)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:44 2005
Subject: Web prefs keep resetting...
In-Reply-To: <200103280903.BAA13689@omnigroup.com>
Message-ID: <200103281007.CAA18031@omnigroup.com>

I suppose this is related to System Prefs and not OmniWeb directly, but 
it results in my not being able to use OmniWeb a lot of the time, so 
I'll ask anyway...

For some reason I have set OMniWeb to be my default Web browser 
approximately 100 times in Internet Prefs, but it keeps switching back 
to Internet Explorer and lauching that for no particular reason.  this 
is also happening to a friend of mine, so I suppose its probably not 
something foolish I am doing.  Is there a workaround for this, or am I 
doing something silly wrong or what?

Thanks
Eric

From tmk at easynet.be  Wed Mar 28 04:06:23 2001
From: tmk at easynet.be (Tattoo Mabonzo K.)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:44 2005
Subject: Web prefs keep resetting...
In-Reply-To: <200103281007.CAA18031@omnigroup.com>
Message-ID: <1226337748-11105878@microscript.net>

Yo

Same here.

What I've noticed though is that every time I install a new version of OW 
(after dragging the previous one into the trash), I need to re-do the 
setup in 3 or 4 places:

- The login panel (which launches OW on startup for me)
- Internet module in System Preferencess plug-in
- Information window of one HTML file to configure OW as the default 
handler for "Apple HTML"
- The Dock.

HTH

= tmk =

On Wednesday, March 28, 2001, at 12:06 PM, Eric Weiss wrote:

> I suppose this is related to System Prefs and not OmniWeb directly, but 
> it results in my not being able to use OmniWeb a lot of the time, so I'll 
> ask anyway...
>
> For some reason I have set OMniWeb to be my default Web browser 
> approximately 100 times in Internet Prefs, but it keeps switching back to 
> Internet Explorer and lauching that for no particular reason.  this is 
> also happening to a friend of mine, so I suppose its probably not 
> something foolish I am doing.  Is there a workaround for this, or am I 
> doing something silly wrong or what?
>
> Thanks
> Eric
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From steve at sillybone.com  Thu Mar 29 05:40:48 2001
From: steve at sillybone.com (Steve Febbraro)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:44 2005
Subject: Strange Page Rendering
Message-ID: <B6E8A50D.1B93%steve@sillybone.com>

Any thoughts on why this page renders the way it does?

http://www.digitalphotocontest.com/howitworks.asp

Steve
http://community.webshots.com/user/stefeb12



From layla at ae.wakwak.com  Thu Mar 29 07:01:10 2001
From: layla at ae.wakwak.com (IDEGUTI Masaya)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:44 2005
Subject: Still NG with cf3
In-Reply-To: <20010327131529710.FOG@hfep01.dion.ne.jp>
Message-ID: <200103291501.f2TF14g69166@ae.wakwak.com>

Strange enough, but when I set the encoding to Western (ISO Latin 1) , 
the page is filled with Japanese characters. I didn't notice it at 
first, because I (and maybe Kazu too) usually set this option to 
Shift-JIS. If the encoding is set to Shift-JIS, this page renders almost 
correctly, with some glitches which Kazu reported.

On Tuesday, March 27, 2001, at 10:15  PM, Kazu Kimura wrote:

> I don't think this page includes Japanese characters.   I believe 
> OmniWeb understands the page differently than IE and iCab.   But I 
> don't know the meaning of repeated "?/TD>"
>
> On 2001.03.27, at 21:07, Steve Febbraro wrote:
>
>> If you've got some time, give this page a try. Displays fine in IE, 
>> iCab,
>> but in cf3, it displays in what looks like Japanese characters.
>>
>> http://www.digitalphotocontest.com/howitworks.asp

-------------------------------------------------------------
Doh -- a beer, I need a beer
Ray -- the man who buys me beer
Me -- the one who drinks the beer
Far -- a long way to the pub!
So -- I really want a beer
La -- la, la, la, la, la, la!
Tea? -- no thanks I'll have a beer!
That will brings us back to...
Doh -- a beer...

IDEGUTI, Masaya
Kyoto University, Graduate School of Human and Environmental Studies
Give Peace a Chance!


From steve at sillybone.com  Thu Mar 29 07:50:06 2001
From: steve at sillybone.com (Steve Febbraro)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:44 2005
Subject: Still NG with cf3
In-Reply-To: <200103291501.f2TF14g69166@ae.wakwak.com>
Message-ID: <B6E8C3C6.1BA1%steve@sillybone.com>

Glad you saw it too. I was beginning to think it was just me.

Strange things also, is if I try to view the source of the page, I still get
the Japanese looking characters as source code.

on 3/29/01 10:01 AM, IDEGUTI Masaya at layla@ae.wakwak.com wrote:

> Strange enough, but when I set the encoding to Western (ISO Latin 1) ,
> the page is filled with Japanese characters. I didn't notice it at
> first, because I (and maybe Kazu too) usually set this option to
> Shift-JIS. If the encoding is set to Shift-JIS, this page renders almost
> correctly, with some glitches which Kazu reported.

Steve
http://community.webshots.com/user/stefeb12



From layla at ae.wakwak.com  Thu Mar 29 07:53:19 2001
From: layla at ae.wakwak.com (IDEGUTI Masaya)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:44 2005
Subject: Still NG with cf3
In-Reply-To: <B6E8C3C6.1BA1%steve@sillybone.com>
Message-ID: <200103291553.f2TFr9g79202@ae.wakwak.com>

Again, the source is fetched correctly with preferences set to shift-jis.

On Friday, March 30, 2001, at 12:49  AM, Steve Febbraro wrote:

> Strange things also, is if I try to view the source of the page, I 
> still get
> the Japanese looking characters as source code.

-------------------------------------------------------------
Doh -- a beer, I need a beer
Ray -- the man who buys me beer
Me -- the one who drinks the beer
Far -- a long way to the pub!
So -- I really want a beer
La -- la, la, la, la, la, la!
Tea? -- no thanks I'll have a beer!
That will brings us back to...
Doh -- a beer...

IDEGUTI, Masaya
Kyoto University, Graduate School of Human and Environmental Studies
Give Peace a Chance!

From steve at sillybone.com  Thu Mar 29 08:20:29 2001
From: steve at sillybone.com (Steve Febbraro)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:44 2005
Subject: Still NG with cf3
In-Reply-To: <200103291553.f2TFr9g79202@ae.wakwak.com>
Message-ID: <B6E8CAF3.1BA5%steve@sillybone.com>

Hmpf.....not very profound, but all I can come up with.

Be interesting to hear the explanation.

on 3/29/01 10:53 AM, IDEGUTI Masaya at layla@ae.wakwak.com wrote:

> Again, the source is fetched correctly with preferences set to shift-jis.

Steve
http://community.webshots.com/user/stefeb12



From kc at omnigroup.com  Thu Mar 29 08:43:55 2001
From: kc at omnigroup.com (Ken Case)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:44 2005
Subject: OmniWeb not launching
Message-ID: <200103291643.IAA24684@omnigroup.com>

> dyld: /Users/eugene/Applications/OmniWeb.app/Contents/MacOS/OmniWeb 
> can't open library: 
> /System/Library/Frameworks/LDAP.framework/Versions/A/LDAP  (No such 
> file or directory, errno = 2)

Does Mail still launch?

Th