From BillLee at usac.net  Sun Jan  2 18:08:54 2000
From: BillLee at usac.net (BillLee@usac.net)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:37 2005
Subject: Use of SSL
Message-ID: <200001030208.AA01003@localhost.usac.net>

I am delving into using a secure server for a business application I am  
building. I need to pass some parameters securely to my cgi applications using  
SSL.

I have coded the HTML form to use a method=POST, but the redirection  
(apparently) that occurs on the server side fails to get the POST file to my  
application, and the CGI script fails.

I changed the form's method to method=GET, and my cgi applications now seem to  
get the parameters successfully. However, I am wondering if the transmission  
of those parameters is secure, e.g., encrytped using the SSL of the https  
protocol.

Any pointers, perhaps a URL where this is discussed, would be greatly appreciated.

Regards,

Bill Lee

From tjlists at bigfoot.com  Tue Jan  4 10:35:48 2000
From: tjlists at bigfoot.com (TjL)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:37 2005
Subject: wunderground favorites
Message-ID: <NDBBLILDELLPOPPLAJMLCEIDCEAA.tjlists@bigfoot.com>


I've started using www.wunderground.com to check the temperature in a few
places.

Unfortunately the 'favorites' feature doesn't seem to work for me in OmniWeb
3.0 for OpenStep.

I wondered if someone else could try it & tell me if it worked for them.

It comes up with some default cities.... try to delete them all and add 3 or
4 of your own.

I keep deleting one and it looks OK but then I delete another one and it
comes back or something....

Not sure if it is a javascript thing or what

TjL

From charlie at baldeagle.com  Sat Jan  8 22:41:28 2000
From: charlie at baldeagle.com (charlie)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:37 2005
Subject: help!!!!
Message-ID: <38782D94.B56503BE@baldeagle.com>

i'm really new to NeXT/OPENSTEP anything; but i gotta couple of slabs
and was wondering how to set up my internet configuration using a
regular old ISP. right now i'm using netscape on my mac8.6.i was able to
get that working with mac's easier than shit setup app. but when i look
inside NeXT/OPENstuff it's like a whole new language...so what kinda
info do i need to ask my provider; and, how do i translate that into
NeXT lingo? thanx in advance. charlie

From colin-allen at tamu.edu  Mon Jan 10 07:51:05 2000
From: colin-allen at tamu.edu (Colin Allen)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:37 2005
Subject: javascript bug
Message-ID: <200001101551.JAA10101@ventoux.adsl.txcyber.com>

www.worldbookonline.com won't let me access the site because it tells me  
that my browser has Javascript disabled even though I have it turned on.

---
Colin Allen
http://snaefell.tamu.edu/~colin/

From BillLee at usac.net  Wed Jan 12 10:35:54 2000
From: BillLee at usac.net (BillLee@usac.net)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:37 2005
Subject: RTF display
Message-ID: <200001121835.AA02149@localhost.usac.net>

I just accessed an RTF document through OW3.0rc2. The display of the RTF  
document was TRASH.

I saved the document into a temp file and accessed it using the NeXT's  
standard text editor and it displayed just fine.

Example URL:   ftp://www.fai.org/wag/wag2001/2000-rally.rtf

Briefly:

The text was all displayed in a column, one word wide, except for an  
occasional line here and there. Scrolling the windo resulted in partially  
displayed lines, which reappeared correctly if they were first hidden and then  
brought back to the front as part of a window command. Bold, colored titles in  
the document overprinted words of following text.

A Bug in OW?

Bill Lee

From colin-allen at tamu.edu  Wed Jan 12 12:01:27 2000
From: colin-allen at tamu.edu (Colin Allen)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:37 2005
Subject: RTF display
References: <200001121835.AA02149@localhost.usac.net>
Message-ID: <200001122001.OAA12014@ventoux.adsl.txcyber.com>

Hi Bill - I reported this bug quite a long time ago and inline rtf display  
is disabled in the latest release of 3.0.

---
Colin Allen
http://snaefell.tamu.edu/~colin/

From BillLee at usac.net  Thu Jan 20 05:43:36 2000
From: BillLee at usac.net (BillLee@usac.net)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:37 2005
Subject: Crashing OW3.0rc2
References: <200001101551.JAA10101@ventoux.adsl.txcyber.com>
Message-ID: <200001201343.AA02794@localhost.usac.net>

O.k. here's a URL that crashes OW3.0rc2 during downloading. Happened twice in a row.

	ftp://www.fai.org/aeromodelling/meetings/pc/min1298.rtf

Any ideas?

Regards,

Bill Lee

From colin-allen at tamu.edu  Thu Jan 20 07:03:13 2000
From: colin-allen at tamu.edu (Colin Allen)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:37 2005
Subject: Crashing OW3.0rc2
References: <200001201343.AA02794@localhost.usac.net>
Message-ID: <200001201503.JAA01132@ventoux.adsl.txcyber.com>

Curious - using 3.0 proper on an intel machine with  
ftp://www.fai.org/aeromodelling/meetings/pc/min1298.rtf I get an error  
message in the browser window that I've never seen before:

	Cannot Load Address
	*** +[OWRTFToViewableProcessor objectForKey:]: selector not recognized

Using "Browser->Edit Source" reveals that OmniWeb is in possession of all  
the rtf code, and the file can be retrieved with standard ftp.

---
Colin Allen
http://snaefell.tamu.edu/~colin/

From kc at omnigroup.com  Thu Jan 20 20:27:51 2000
From: kc at omnigroup.com (Ken Case)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:37 2005
Subject: Crashing OW3.0rc2
Message-ID: <200001210427.UAA18578@scyther.omnigroup.com>

> O.k. here's a URL that crashes OW3.0rc2 during downloading.
> Happened twice in a row.
>
> 	ftp://www.fai.org/aeromodelling/meetings/pc/min1298.rtf
>
> Any ideas?

Yes, please upgrade to OmniWeb 3.0.2, which fixes this problem.

The problem was that the NSText engine was crashing while parsing  
RTF because we were feeding it data as it was coming across the wire  
rather than waiting for the entire data to arrive before parsing.

If anyone else out there is still running 3.0rc2, please upgrade as  
well!  (Read the release notes at  
http://www.omnigroup.com/products/omniweb/releasenotes/, and note all  
the changes between 3.0rc2 and 3.0.)

				Ken

From kc at omnigroup.com  Thu Jan 20 21:36:27 2000
From: kc at omnigroup.com (Ken Case)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:37 2005
Subject: Crashing OW3.0rc2
Message-ID: <200001210536.VAA22941@scyther.omnigroup.com>

> Any word on when we might get an upgrade for the OpenStep users?

We plan to release OmniWeb 3.1 by the end of next week.  Its primary  
feature is much better stability, though it also fixes the  
OPENSTEP-specific problems introduced in 3.0.2.

				Ken

From BillLee at usac.net  Fri Jan 21 06:22:02 2000
From: BillLee at usac.net (BillLee@usac.net)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:37 2005
Subject: Crashing OW3.0rc2
References: <200001210427.UAA18578@scyther.omnigroup.com>
Message-ID: <200001211422.AA03406@localhost.usac.net>

Haven't I heard horror stories about 3.0.2 not running well at all, crashing  
(wose than rc2), etc? I thought that was the reason I had not upgraded in the  
past.

Regards,

Bill Lee

> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 20:29:32 -0800 (PST)
> From: Ken Case <kc@omnigroup.com>
> Subject: Re: Crashing OW3.0rc2
>
> > O.k. here's a URL that crashes OW3.0rc2 during downloading.
> > Happened twice in a row.
> >
> > 	ftp://www.fai.org/aeromodelling/meetings/pc/min1298.rtf
> >
> > Any ideas?
>
> Yes, please upgrade to OmniWeb 3.0.2, which fixes this problem.
>
> The problem was that the NSText engine was crashing while parsing
> RTF because we were feeding it data as it was coming across the wire
> rather than waiting for the entire data to arrive before parsing.
>
> If anyone else out there is still running 3.0rc2, please upgrade as
> well!  (Read the release notes at
> http://www.omnigroup.com/products/omniweb/releasenotes/, and note all
> the changes between 3.0rc2 and 3.0.)
>
> 				Ken
>
>
>
> 

From BillLee at usac.net  Fri Jan 21 06:26:11 2000
From: BillLee at usac.net (BillLee@usac.net)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:37 2005
Subject: Crashing OW3.0rc2
Message-ID: <200001211426.AA03417@localhost.usac.net>

From: BillLee@usac.net
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2000 08:25:16 -0600
To: kc@omnigroup.com
Subject: Re: Crashing OW3.0rc2
Reply-To: BillLee@usac.net

> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 21:36:54 -0800 (PST)
> From: Ken Case <kc@omnigroup.com>
> Subject: Re: Crashing OW3.0rc2
>
> > Any word on when we might get an upgrade for the OpenStep users?
>
> We plan to release OmniWeb 3.1 by the end of next week.  Its primary
> feature is much better stability, though it also fixes the
> OPENSTEP-specific problems introduced in 3.0.2.
>
> 				Ken
>


O.k., that's what I remember: "OPENSTEP-specific problems introduced in 3.0.2".

I'll get 3.1 as soon as possible/available.

Thanks.

Regards,

Bill Lee

From ingmar at aurora.in-berlin.de  Fri Jan 21 11:08:30 2000
From: ingmar at aurora.in-berlin.de (Ingmar Camphausen)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:37 2005
Subject: Crashing OW3.0rc2
In-Reply-To: <200001210536.VAA22941@scyther.omnigroup.com>
References: <200001210536.VAA22941@scyther.omnigroup.com>
Message-ID: <m12BjQA-000JiYC@aurora.in-berlin.de>

Ken,

> >Any word on when we might get an upgrade for the OpenStep users?
>
> We plan to release OmniWeb 3.1 by the end of next week.  Its primary
> feature is much better stability, though it also fixes the
> OPENSTEP-specific problems introduced in 3.0.2.

I'm glad to read that there will be another version of OW for  
OPENSTEP--thanks a lot! :-)

Best regards,

	Ingmar

From helen.jiang at attws.com  Tue Jan 25 13:45:29 2000
From: helen.jiang at attws.com (Jiang, Helen)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:37 2005
Subject: no javascript on OmniWeb?
Message-ID: <E1DDB8508025D211A18200A0C96E961901040899@wa-msg03.nwest.attws.com>

Hi,
    I have a web application which is developed use coldfusion and
javascript, now my client ask me if they could access the application on
NextStep machine through omniWeb. I have no experience with omniweb, but I
heard that Javascript won't work with omniweb, is it true? 
   Thanks.

Helen

From jamacht at eti-tech.com  Fri Jan 28 13:30:20 2000
From: jamacht at eti-tech.com (Jeff Macht)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:38 2005
Subject: AutoComplete, AdFilter, PreferencesMenu plugins
Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20000128133020.0350a100@eti-tech.com>

This is just a note to let people know what's going on with my plugins for
OmniWeb 3.0. 

As I have connected a keyboard, mouse or monitor to my OpenStep system
since November of last year, you might understand why maintenance has
become non-existant over the last while. I don't have a box running Mac OS
X Server. I won't get into it, but i'm not a OpenStep/MacOSX user anymore.
If you want to read a rant about Apple, email me.

Thus, i'd like to announce that i'm looking for an candidate to take over
maintenance of these plugins. The source code will be released GPLed, in
any case, so if no maintainer is found, you'll still be able to build and
use it on future OmniWeb and Yellow Box platforms. (PreferencesMenu source
is already available. Visit
http://www.pobox.com/~jamacht/PlugIns/index.html to find out more about all
the plugins.)

Any persons or organizations wishing to apply for this role should contact
me at jamacht@pobox.com.

Thanks, 

Jeff.



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From charlie at baldeagle.com  Mon Jan 31 10:36:57 2000
From: charlie at baldeagle.com (charlie)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:38 2005
Subject: omniweb 2.x
Message-ID: <3895D644.C5A6033E@baldeagle.com>

how the heck do i set this sucker up on nextstep 3.3?  charlie

From cdavidson at ahastars.org  Tue Feb  1 13:44:56 2000
From: cdavidson at ahastars.org (Chad Davidson)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:38 2005
Subject: OmniWeb on MacOS X server with separate Proxy server
Message-ID: <389753AB.5EC9CB2C@ahastars.org>

How do I configure the Proxy Server preferenece to use OmniWeb with a
SOCKS proxy server?  In Netscape I just set the SOCKS host IP addresss
and port number.   What is the OmniWeb Equivilant?

Thanks,

--
Chad Davidson
Academy of Holy Angels
6600 Nicollet Ave. S.
Richfield, MN 55423-2498
cdavidson@ahastars.org
Phone:  612-798-2667
Fax:  612-798-2610



From kc at omnigroup.com  Thu Feb  3 16:28:19 2000
From: kc at omnigroup.com (Ken Case)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:38 2005
Subject: OmniWeb 3.1 release candidate 1 is now available
Message-ID: <200002040028.QAA17092@scyther.omnigroup.com>

OmniWeb 3.1 release candidate 1 is now available from our web site  
at http://www.omnigroup.com/products/omniweb/download/.

				Ken

Release notes for 3.1 release candidate 1 (also available at  
http://www.omnigroup.com/products/omniweb/releasenotes/):

* Added exception handling around several pieces of code which  
locked the main thread locked so we could no longer potentially lose  
that lock due to an exception. (This caused hangs in OmniWeb 3.0.2 on  
OPENSTEP: looking up the width of Unicode characters used in some  
HTML lists raises an exception.)

* The "zoom" (or maximize) window control now tries to resize the  
window to the smallest size that will eliminate scrollers. (This does  
not work at all for framesets yet, because we still need to write  
the logic to determine how big each subframe might actually want to  
be.)

* Fixed right-clicking and control-clicking on image links and image  
maps so that the destination of the link is now displayed and (on  
Mac OS X and Mac OS X Server) the link context menu appears. (To  
right click in Mac OS X Server, you must first install the  
OmniMousePatch driver.)

* Improved our handling of embedded objects. We now know about the  
"type" attribute, and can register plugins based on it. We also  
changed the display processor so that it passes any additional  
attributes along to the applet cell, which lets plugins register new  
attributes on the EMBED tag, and have access to the values of those  
attributes without having to modify the display processor itself.

* On Mac OS X Server 1.0-2, -[NSDate dateByAddingYears:...] will  
hang forever if the resulting date is within the hour skipped by  
daylight savings time (it has trouble making the leap). We now work  
around this by calling -dateByAddingTimeInterval: instead, which  
doesn't have this problem. (This caused hangs for a lot of people the  
first time they opened their bookmarks following the Daylight  
Savings Time change.)

* The contents of a <textarea> tag are no longer rewritten before  
being displayed.

* When we look up a host name and turn it into an IP address, we no  
longer remember that cached host entry forever: it will now  
automatically expire after one hour (or you can flush it by hand by  
flushing the cache). This means that you no longer have to restart  
OmniWeb to see changes in host addresses (e.g., if www.omnigroup.com  
starts being served by 198.151.161.2 rather than 198.151.161.1).

* Be more careful about what portions of an HTML page get  
antialiased, so we don't waste a bunch of CPU time trying to  
antialias images.

* Integrated OmniGroup CrashCatcher, which lists all of OmniWeb's  
threads and their backtraces when OmniWeb crashes.

* Fixed a crash triggered by closing bookmarks while they were still  
dirty.

* Fixed some potential crashes related to rendering HTML in multiple  
threads simultaneously.

* We've discovered that a lot of OmniWeb's crashes are caused by one  
thread loading a plug-in (bundle) while another thread is trying to  
look up a method implementation: apparently the Objective C runtime  
is not thread-safe with respect to loading bundles. As an experiment,  
we're now preloading all the bundles (when we go multithreaded) to  
see if that makes the application more stable. Unfortunately, this  
slows down our launch time (but if the app crashes less, launch time  
is less important).

We've thought of three alternatives to preloading:
- Wait until all other threads are idle before loading a bundle.  
(Huge disadvantage: if we're downloading a 100MB file, that might  
pause all the threads for a long time.)
- Suspend all other threads, and walk their stacks to see if any are  
in the Objective C runtime. Once all threads are out of the runtime  
go ahead and load the bundle, then resume the threads.
- Try to patch the runtime so it is thread-safe.

For now, though, we'll just see how many crashes go away with this  
change.

* Added an exception handler around individual plug-in loads, so  
that failure to load one plug-in won't stop the rest from loading.

* Applied patches from various people which fixed minor bugs in our  
frameworks. Most of the patches didn't impact OmniWeb at all, since  
the code wasn't exercised, with one significant exception: Karl Kraft  
submitted a patch which fixed ONInternetSocket's -isReadable and  
-isWritable methods, which always returned NO in the past. This  
exposed a bug in some of our OWHTTPSession code which tried to reuse  
a socket--code which was previously never exercised since those  
methods always indicated the socket was no longer usable.

We've fixed this in our code, but unfortunately the HTTPS plug-in  
overrides our method with their own implementation and encounters the  
same bug. In fact, it seems to encounter some other bugs perhaps  
because SSL connections really don't expect to be recycled in the  
same way as we're recycling our normal connections.

I've updated the version number in OmniNetworking so that the HTTPS  
plug-in for 3.0 will be skipped by 3.1, and since the HTTPS plug-in  
source is available I've also written some patches which make it work  
with OmniWeb 3.1. I'll be making these patches available to OIC so  
that they can update their plug-in for 3.1 with minimal effort.

* Ported OmniWeb to be able to build on Mac OS X DP2. Unfortunately,  
it doesn't run due to an incompatibility in Foundation's NSLock  
class, but that incompatibility has reportedly been fixed for DP3.

* Pipelines now release autoreleased objects immediately in  
+cancelTarget:.

From kc at omnigroup.com  Thu Feb  3 19:24:45 2000
From: kc at omnigroup.com (Ken Case)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:38 2005
Subject: OmniWeb on MacOS X server with separate Proxy server
Message-ID: <200002040324.TAA24536@scyther.omnigroup.com>

> How do I configure the Proxy Server preferenece to use OmniWeb
> with a SOCKS proxy server?

SOCKS is not currently supported in OmniWeb 3.

(SOCKS support was available for OmniWeb 1 and 2, and it could be  
added to OmniWeb 3 fairly easily if there's sufficient interest.)

				Ken

From jdd at efn.org  Fri Feb  4 09:39:23 2000
From: jdd at efn.org (John David Duncan)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:38 2005
Subject: OmniWeb 3.1 release candidate 1 is now available
In-Reply-To: <200002040028.QAA17092@scyther.omnigroup.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.NXT.4.20.0002040927490.302-100000@figbash>


Thanks!  So far, on OS 4.2/m68k, I can definitely notice the improved
stability (...and a console full of warning messages instead; I've copied
some at the bottom of this message FYI). 

I also have a new bug report, which applies both to 3.0.2 and to 3.1rc1 on
both OpenStep and OS X:  I can't print the page at 
http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/  -- I get "Error While Printing!" in a
dialogue box.  I have seen this error before, and have sometimes been
able to work around it by either rescaling the printout (to 95% or 90%
from 100%) or, strangely enough, by resizing the browser window.  However
this is the first page I've come upon where I can reliably reproduce the
error on both platforms. 

On OpenStep, it is accompanied by:

*** Assertion failure in -[OHHTMLPageView
_calcHeights:num:margin:operation:helpedBy:], viewPrinting.m:1380
*** Assertion failure in -[OHHTMLPageView
_calcHeights:num:margin:operation:helpedBy:], viewPrinting.m:1380

Thanks 

-- JD

Here are some 3.1rc warnings:


Warning: Exception calculating width of prefix string
'\U2219': NSDistantObject accessed attempted from another thread.  Using
default width of 20 pixels instead
Warning: Exception calculating width of prefix string '\U2219': ***
NSRunStorage, _NSBlockNumberForIndex(): index (0) beyond array bounds
(0).  Using default width of 20 pixels instead
Warning: Exception calculating width of prefix string '-': ***
NSRunStorage, _NSBlockNumberForIndex(): index (0) beyond array bounds
(0).  Using default width of 20 pixels instead
Warning: Exception calculating width of prefix string '1.': ***
NSRunStorage, _NSBlockNumberForIndex(): index (0) beyond array bounds
(0).  Using default width of 20 pixels instead
Warning: Exception calculating width of prefix string '2.': ***
NSRunStorage, _NSBlockNumberForIndex(): index (0) beyond array bounds
(0).  Using default width of 20 pixels instead

[... and so on through "prefix string '9.'" ... ]

From colin at snaefell.tamu.edu  Fri Feb  4 10:40:39 2000
From: colin at snaefell.tamu.edu (Colin Allen)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:38 2005
Subject: OmniWeb 3.1 release candidate 1 is now available
In-Reply-To: <Pine.NXT.4.20.0002040927490.302-100000@figbash>
Message-ID: <0002041240.AA3925524@grimpeur>

I'll echo the congrats about 3.1rc1 - it is running very nicely on my 
OpenStep and OSXS machines.

JD wrote:
>I also have a new bug report, which applies both to 3.0.2 and to 3.1rc1 on
>both OpenStep and OS X:  I can't print the page at 
>http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/  -- I get "Error While Printing!" in a
>dialogue box.

I can't reproduce this problem here.  I just successfully printed this 
document using 3.02 on OSXS (I haven't yet downloaded the upgrade for this 
machine).

While we're on the subject of printing, is there anything to be done about 
the horizontal chopping of lines that occurs on the bottom of pages printed 
with OmniWeb?

Thanks!
--
Colin Allen
http://snaefell.tamu.edu/~colin/

From jurgen at oic.de  Fri Feb  4 12:36:56 2000
From: jurgen at oic.de (Juergen Moellenhoff)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:38 2005
Subject: OmniWeb 3.1 release candidate 1 is now available
In-Reply-To: <200002040028.QAA17092@scyther.omnigroup.com>
References: <200002040028.QAA17092@scyther.omnigroup.com>
Message-ID: <200002042036.VAA12680@nexus.oic.de>

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From jurgen at oic.de  Fri Feb  4 13:31:24 2000
From: jurgen at oic.de (Juergen Moellenhoff)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:38 2005
Subject: OmniWeb 3.1 release candidate 1 is now available
In-Reply-To: <Pine.NXT.4.20.0002040927490.302-100000@figbash>
References: <Pine.NXT.4.20.0002040927490.302-100000@figbash>
Message-ID: <200002042131.WAA18194@nexus.oic.de>


Hi,

> stability (...and a console full of warning messages instead; I've copied

Yes, a lot of warning messages...

> I also have a new bug report, which applies both to 3.0.2 and to 3.1rc1 on
> both OpenStep and OS X:  I can't print the page at
> http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/  -- I get "Error While Printing!" in a

Works for me (OW 3rc1/OS 4.2) but it was necessary for me to restart OW  
because the "Print..." button was disabled (!!) and it was impossible for me to  
print any page.

> Here are some 3.1rc warnings:

Or warnings like this:

Feb 04 22:23:30  Warning: Exception calculating width of prefix string  
'\U2219': NSDistantObject accessed attempted from another thread.  Using  
default width of 20 pixels instead
Feb 04 22:23:30  Warning: Exception calculating width of prefix string '-':  
[NSUnicodeString characterAtIndex:]: Out of bounds.  Using default width of 20  
pixels instead


Bye,

   Juergen
  

From wjs at omnigroup.com  Fri Feb  4 22:34:25 2000
From: wjs at omnigroup.com (William Shipley)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:38 2005
Subject: OmniWeb printing problems...
Message-ID: <200002050634.WAA24224@scyther.omnigroup.com>

Honestly, we know that OmniWeb's printing is sub-optimal.

It's just a matter of us writing the code, but it's complicated by tables 'n'  
stuff.  Not breaking in the middle of a row is complicated by arbitrary table  
layouts.

Our current thoughts are that we're going to redo layout using NSTypesetter,  
which should speed things up at LEAST 2x, and might help us add features  
and/or fix bugs.  However, it means we're not going to release another  
OpenStep OmniWeb (sorry, guys, this is it!).  (And, this time, when I say it,  
I've checked with Ken, and he's not planning on it either.)

The good news is we've Omni-open-sourced our OmniHTML framework, so the  
OpenStep people really have about everything they need to fix bugs if they are  
motivated.

-W

From jurgen at oic.de  Sat Feb  5 06:27:11 2000
From: jurgen at oic.de (Juergen Moellenhoff)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:38 2005
Subject: Status of the HTTPS plug-in
In-Reply-To: <200002040028.QAA17092@scyther.omnigroup.com>
References: <200002040028.QAA17092@scyther.omnigroup.com>
Message-ID: <200002051427.PAA02055@nexus.oic.de>


Hi,

> We've fixed this in our code, but unfortunately the HTTPS plug-in
> overrides our method with their own implementation and encounters the
> same bug. In fact, it seems to encounter some other bugs perhaps
> because SSL connections really don't expect to be recycled in the
> same way as we're recycling our normal connections.

I fixed the bug in the HTTPS plug-in with a workaround, the plug-in works now  
with the rc1 version of OmniWeb, I'll release a temporary version in a few  
hours (maybe??)..

Bye,

   Juergen Moellenhoff

From jurgen at oic.de  Sat Feb  5 16:57:46 2000
From: jurgen at oic.de (Juergen Moellenhoff)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:38 2005
Subject: Trouble with the password authentication in OW 3.1rc1
Message-ID: <200002060057.BAA19789@nexus.oic.de>


Hi,

try to access (with OW 3.1rc1) the page "http://www.oic.de/secret/", the  
username is "omni" and the password is "web", you'll see that it does not work  
(at least not for me with OW3.1rc1 on OS 4.2/INTEL)!!

Try it with OW 3.0 and it works! What happened?? What is the difference  
between OW 3.0 and OW 3.1rc1 in the password authentication??

Bye,

   Juergen Moellenhoff

From charlie at baldeagle.com  Sat Feb  5 18:05:56 2000
From: charlie at baldeagle.com (charlie)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:38 2005
Subject: OW setup
Message-ID: <389CD702.BE665522@baldeagle.com>

can someone point me to a page that tells me in plain english how to
setup my inet connections in OPENstep4.2? i'm trying to learn this
language(sp?) as i began on a mac about 18mos. ago...if that tells ya
the level of my computer skills. i did get my mac hooked up; but i just
can't figure out where i put what numbers where. does that make sense?
oh i'm trying to do this on a turbo-slab if that matters; i'm pretty
sure i have the right modem cable; cos i bought both. help!!  thanX in
advance.  charlie

From sanguish at stepwise.com  Sat Feb  5 21:17:56 2000
From: sanguish at stepwise.com (Scott Anguish)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:38 2005
Subject: Control-click on links doesn't work in RC1?
Message-ID: <auto-000000240245@digifix.com>

It brings up the menu, but selecting things doesn't cause anything  
to happen..

this is on OSXS 1.0.2

From gerti at bitart.com  Sat Feb  5 21:28:38 2000
From: gerti at bitart.com (Gerd Knops)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:38 2005
Subject: Trouble with the password authentication in OW 3.1rc1
In-Reply-To: <200002060057.BAA19789@nexus.oic.de>
References: <200002060057.BAA19789@nexus.oic.de>
Message-ID: <20000206052838.9708.qmail@camelot.bitart.com>

Juergen Moellenhoff wrote:
> Hi,
>
> try to access (with OW 3.1rc1) the page "<http://www.oic.de/secret/", the
> username is "omni" and the password is "web", you'll see that it does not
> work (at least not for me with OW3.1rc1 on OS 4.2/INTEL)!!
>
> Try it with OW 3.0 and it works! What happened?? What is the difference
> between OW 3.0 and OW 3.1rc1 in the password authentication??
>
I have trouble with password authentication as well: On sites for which I had  
OW store the password, I get 'Authorization Required' on the first attempt.  
Reloading the page makes it come up.

They 'wait cursor' problem is also still present. (OS4.2/Intel)

Gerd

From colin-allen at tamu.edu  Sun Feb  6 10:11:29 2000
From: colin-allen at tamu.edu (Colin Allen)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:38 2005
Subject: OmniWeb printing problems...
References: <200002050634.WAA24224@scyther.omnigroup.com>
Message-ID: <200002061811.MAA04103@ventoux.adsl.txcyber.com>

> The good news is we've Omni-open-sourced our OmniHTML framework,
> so the OpenStep people really have about everything they need
> to fix bugs if they are  motivated.

Great....Are there enough of us out there to make this a group effort?

I'd be happy to establish some sort of information clearing house web site  
if there's enough interest.

---
Colin Allen
http://snaefell.tamu.edu/~colin/

From jurgen at oic.de  Sun Feb  6 09:13:11 2000
From: jurgen at oic.de (Juergen Moellenhoff)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:38 2005
Subject: Trouble with the password authentication in OW 3.1rc1
In-Reply-To: <20000206052838.9708.qmail@camelot.bitart.com>
References: <20000206052838.9708.qmail@camelot.bitart.com>
Message-ID: <200002061713.SAA01615@nexus.oic.de>


Hi,

> I have trouble with password authentication as well: On sites for which
> I had OW store the password, I get 'Authorization Required' on
> the first attempt.  Reloading the page makes it come up.

Yes, same here, but for me reloading works not always.

> They 'wait cursor' problem is also still present. (OS4.2/Intel)

Yes, I had some 'wait cursor', too, But I can't reproduce the error.

Bye,

   Juergen

From garrison at talosiv.cit.cornell.edu  Mon Feb  7 09:58:59 2000
From: garrison at talosiv.cit.cornell.edu (Bill Garrison)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:38 2005
Subject: Bug opening link in new window? [3.1rc1]
Message-ID: <20000207175900.5815B53D9E@talosiv.cit.cornell.edu>

Is this happening to anyone else?

I try opening a link in a new window using the contextual menu.  I  
control-click on a link, the menu appears, and I can select the  
show-link-in-new-window option, but OmniWeb doesn't take any visible  
action. Nothing appears in the console either.

Another weirdness occurs when attempting to save a link to file via  
the contextual menu.  I control-click on a link, the menu appears, I  
select the saved-linked-document-to option.  A save file dialog  
appears as expected. However, the contextual menu remains visible and  
floats above the save file dialog.  I can move the save file dialog  
out from under the contextual menu and interact with it.  It just  
looks weird.  Did OmniWeb used to behave like this?  I can't  
remember...

I'm running MOSXS 1.0.2 on a G3/300.  For what it's worth, I haven't  
verified that I got a clean install of 3.1rc yet. I did the 3.1rc1  
download and just copied OmniWeb.app on top of my existing OmniWeb.

Bill

--
William Garrison, CIT/ATS
Cornell University

From jurgen at oic.de  Mon Feb  7 16:48:14 2000
From: jurgen at oic.de (Juergen Moellenhoff)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:38 2005
Subject: HTTPS plug-in for OW 3.1rc1 available
Message-ID: <200002080048.BAA00325@nexus.oic.de>


The HTTPS plug-in for OmniWeb 3.1rc1 is available.

MacOS X Server:
http://www.oic.de/downloads/HTTPS.1.07.m.PI.b.tar.gz
http://www.oic.de/downloads/HTTPS.1.07.m.PI.README


OPENSTEP 4.2/Mach:
http://www.oic.de/downloads/HTTPS.1.07.m.NIS.b.tar.gz
http://www.oic.de/downloads/HTTPS.1.07.m.NIS.README


Bye,

 Juergen Moellenhoff

From ruediger at next12.Theo-Phys.Uni-Essen.DE  Tue Feb  8 00:17:12 2000
From: ruediger at next12.Theo-Phys.Uni-Essen.DE (Ruediger Oberhage)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:38 2005
Subject: HTTPS plug-in for OW 3.1rc1 available and OW final for OS?
References: <200002080048.BAA00325@nexus.oic.de>
Message-ID: <200002080817.AA21220@next12.Theo-Phys.Uni-Essen.DE>

Juergen Moellenhoff <jurgen@oic.de> wrote:

> The HTTPS plug-in for OmniWeb 3.1rc1 is available.
>

Thank you very much.



William Shipley <wjs@omnigroup.com> wrote:

> [...] However, it means we're not going to release another
> OpenStep OmniWeb (sorry, guys, this is it!).  (And, this time,
> when I say it,   I've checked with Ken, and he's not planning
> on it either.)

What does this mean with respect to OmniWeb 3.1 'final' for
OPENSTEP vs. OmniWeb 3.1rc1? Will there be the 'final' version
for OS?

Greetings,
 Ruediger Oberhage
--
H.-R. Oberhage
Mail: Univ.-GH Essen	       E-Mail: phy070@sp2.power.Uni-Essen.DE
      Fachbereich 7 (Physik)	      ruediger@Theo-Phys.Uni-Essen.DE
      S05 V07 E88
      Universitaetsstrasse 5	Phone:  {+49|0} 201 / 183-2493
      D-45117 Essen, Germany	FAX:    {+49|0} 201 / 183-2120

From kc at omnigroup.com  Tue Feb  8 04:32:56 2000
From: kc at omnigroup.com (Ken Case)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:38 2005
Subject: OW final for OS?
Message-ID: <200002081233.EAA12431@scyther.omnigroup.com>

Wil wrote:
> [...] However, it means we're not going to release another
> OpenStep OmniWeb (sorry, guys, this is it!).  (And, this time,
> when I say it,   I've checked with Ken, and he's not planning
> on it either.)

Ruediger Oberhage asked:
> What does this mean with respect to OmniWeb 3.1 'final' for
> OPENSTEP vs. OmniWeb 3.1rc1? Will there be the 'final' version
> for OS?

There will definitely be a release of OmniWeb 3.1 "final" for  
OPENSTEP with several more bugs fixed.  There may even be an OmniWeb  
3.2 for OPENSTEP.

What there won't be is an OmniWeb 4.0 for OPENSTEP, because OmniWeb  
4.0 is taking advantage of some of the new features which are only  
available in Mac OS X.  (This is what Wil was talking about:  he's  
working on new code which won't run on OPENSTEP.)

				Ken

From marcuss at TalkingDog.com  Tue Feb  8 11:26:29 2000
From: marcuss at TalkingDog.com (Marcus Schiermeier)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:38 2005
Subject: proxy server
Message-ID: <1054AB0FC1C0D311A46E0050DA637581081B9A@EXCHANGE>

We bought an G4 OS X Server with OmniWeb 3 installed. The server seems to be
working fine. i can see it on the network and get to shared folders, but I
can't view anything with the OmniWeb. When going to, say www.apple.com, I
get 'Cannot Load Address, No such host www.apple.com'. We have a firewall
with a proxie and I found the proxy settings in OnmniWeb and were to enter
in the IP for the proxy but no place to enter port #'s. Is there any
documentation for such problems provided somewhere with the server
documentaion or otherwise available?

marcuss@talkingdog.com

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From: 24Iz6rac6 at smyril-line.fo (24Iz6rac6@smyril-line.fo)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:38 2005
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	   Is Directly Related To Certain Types Of Brain 

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cell phones can no longer be presumed safe.



THE DAILY MAIL urges cell phone users to cut their useage

as a result of a cancer alert.



BBC NEWS warns that radiation from mobile phones can 

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THE IRISH TIMES headlines reads that Mobil Phones are

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Quantity______ X $19.95 per Wave Shield         =  $___________

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Shipping and Handling:  US  $3.95 for the 
first unit and $1.50 for each additional
unit.  International  $6.95 for the first
unit and $1.50 for each additional unit         =  $___________

					TOTAL	=  $___________


Email address  (Type Or Print Large and Clear Below)


Name_____________________________________

Address________________________________________________________

Phone____________________

Master Card____   Visa____   American Express____   Discover____

Card Number   __________ - _________ - _________ - __________

Expiration Date   (MM-YYYY)  _______________

The name on the credit card and the billing address must exactly 
match that for the credit card or the order will not be processed


Signature ____________________________________	Date ____________


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From xfeCR2W8K at www.redlof.com.tw  Tue Feb  8 09:11:15 2000
From: xfeCR2W8K at www.redlof.com.tw (xfeCR2W8K@www.redlof.com.tw)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:38 2005
Subject: >>>CELL PHONE OWNERS...SAVE YOUR LIVES<<<							J;GJPOR
Message-ID: <fp3T0ywa5534CTz9>

 !!!!!!!!  A REMARKABLE NEW CELL PHONE DEVICE CALLED THE  !!!!!!!!

	   WAVE SHIELD BLOCKS UP TO 99% OF THE HARMFUL

	     RADIATION EMITTED FROM CELL PHONES


 >>> THIS NEW TECHNOLOGY WILL PROTECT YOU FROM THE HARMFUL AND <<<

     POTENTIALlY DEADLY RADIATION EMITTED FROM YOUR CELL PHONE 


	   Leading Researchers From Around The World

	   Agree That Microwave Radiation From Cell Phones

	   Is Directly Related To Certain Types Of Brain 

	   Cancer And The Destruction Of The Human Immune
	
	   System.



The WASHINGTON POST reports that preliminary results

from research paid for by the cellular telephone industry

suggests there may be a correlation between cell phone 

use and cancer.



ABC NEWS  Brian Ross is told by leading scientist that

cell phones can no longer be presumed safe.



THE DAILY MAIL urges cell phone users to cut their useage

as a result of a cancer alert.



BBC NEWS warns that radiation from mobile phones can 

severely damage the human immune system.



THE IRISH TIMES headlines reads that Mobil Phones are

linked to brain tumors.



CBS NEWS correspondent Sandra Hughes says there are 

100 million cell phone users putting their lives at

risk due to cancer producing microwave radiation

emitted from cell phones.


	Test preformed by The American Society of Testing and 
	Materials, and the Kansai Electrical Corporation, the 
	leading testing authority in Japan, both confirm that 
	the WAVE SHIELD blocks up to 99% of the harmful 
	radiation emitted from cell phones.


	The WAVE SHIELD is a small device that attaches to the
	ear piece of your cell phone in seconds and is hardly
	noticeable.


	The Wave Shield is backed up by a million dollar product
	liability insurance policy.  You know a product works when
	an insurance company is willing to place a million dollar 
	liabiliy policy on the product.


              JUST  $19.95 plus shipping and handling


	A SMALL PRICE TO PAY TO PROTECT YOURSELF FROM THE LIFE
	THREATENING RADIATION EMITTED FROM YOUR CELL PHONE.


To be removed from this mailing list FAX your email address to: 
1 800 546 3685.
        		   



			TO ORDER:

Sorce Code   CO-1000

		
FILL OUT THE ORDER FORM BELOW AND FAX TO:       1 775 414 6090

Quantity______ X $19.95 per Wave Shield         =  $___________

Florida Residents Add 6% sales tax 		=  $___________

Shipping and Handling:  US  $3.95 for the 
first unit and $1.50 for each additional
unit.  International  $6.95 for the first
unit and $1.50 for each additional unit         =  $___________

					TOTAL	=  $___________


Email address  (Type Or Print Large and Clear Below)


Name_____________________________________

Address________________________________________________________

Phone____________________

Master Card____   Visa____   American Express____   Discover____

Card Number   __________ - _________ - _________ - __________

Expiration Date   (MM-YYYY)  _______________

The name on the credit card and the billing address must exactly 
match that for the credit card or the order will not be processed


Signature ____________________________________	Date ____________


You may also order by phone  1 800 242 0363 ext. 1407



From dsgsf at adm.ruc.dk  Fri Feb 11 23:49:04 2000
From: dsgsf at adm.ruc.dk (dsgsf@adm.ruc.dk)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:38 2005
Subject: I`m back from my Vacation
Message-ID: <749.813669.671790@adm.ruc.dk>

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From: lusse at omikron.nu (Lusse)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:38 2005
Subject: HELP!I
Message-ID: <000801bf7936$c89eabe0$80c4f082@campus.luth.se>

i've installed Omniweb on DP3.. But it doesnt work.. I get the menu on the top.. But i cant get a navigator window.. or open url or open file

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From gerti at bitart.com  Thu Feb 17 21:39:05 2000
From: gerti at bitart.com (Gerd Knops)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:38 2005
Subject: Console clutter
Message-ID: <20000218053906.4721.qmail@camelot.bitart.com>

Hi,

Anyone figured out a method to stop Omniweb from cluttering up the console?

Thanks

Gerd

From leguen at up-e.com  Sat Feb 19 02:16:47 2000
From: leguen at up-e.com (Yann Le Guen)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:38 2005
Subject: The Omni Group: Products: Support Levels
Message-ID: <200002191014.LAA10885@platon.cica.fr>

Hi,

Just download the JavaScript plugin ;-)
How and where should i install it ? Asing this because the  
downloaded stuff didn't contain any readme... Is this normal or did  
smth wrong append while dowloading ?

Anyhow, very thanks for the most beautyfull browser of the world ;-)

Later, Yann

_________
mailto: <yann.le-guen@wanadoo.fr>
mailto: <leguen@up-e.com>

From leguen at up-e.com  Sat Feb 19 02:27:44 2000
From: leguen at up-e.com (Yann Le Guen)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:38 2005
Subject: JavaScript-plugin:how to install ?
Message-ID: <200002191025.LAA10904@platon.cica.fr>

Hi,

Just download the JavaScript plugin ;-)
How and where should i install it ? Asing this because the
downloaded stuff didn't contain any readme... Is this normal or did  
smth wrong append while dowloading ?

Anyhow, very thanks for the most beautyfull browser of the world ;-)

Later, Yann

_________
mailto: <yann.le-guen@wanadoo.fr>
mailto: <leguen@up-e.com>

From icb214587 at bada1.etri.re.kr  Fri Feb 18 22:11:41 2000
From: icb214587 at bada1.etri.re.kr (icb214587@bada1.etri.re.kr)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:38 2005
Subject: Save up to 75% on International Calling
Message-ID: <1999702070015.GAB07055@dbserver.etri.re.kr>

Dear omniweb-l@omnigroup.com,

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...for residents inside AND outside the USA

Here is a sample of our rates To/From the USA:

Rates(US$)    COUNTRY

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0.23/min.  Brazil - Sao Paolo
0.12/min.  Canada
0.36/min.  China
0.14/min.  France
0.12/min.  Germany
0.10/min.  Hong Kong
0.78/min.  India
0.14/min.  Japan - Tokyo
0.14/min.  New Zealand
0.35/min.  Philippines
0.29/min.  Russia - Moscow
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Very attractive commissions!

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	st.jones@bigfoot.com

For service information, please type "info" in the subject line.

For agent information, please type "agent" in the subject line.
Please include your full name when requesting agent information.

Thank You!

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From: zptc at mauimail.com (zptc@mauimail.com)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:38 2005
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From icb958471 at rudjer.ff.bg.ac.yu  Sun Feb 20 13:03:43 2000
From: icb958471 at rudjer.ff.bg.ac.yu (icb958471@rudjer.ff.bg.ac.yu)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:38 2005
Subject: Save up to 75% on International Calling
Message-ID: <1899702070015.GAB07055@rudjer.ff.bg.ac.yu>

Dear omniweb-l@omnigroup.com,

		Save Up To 75% on International Calling

...for residents inside AND outside the USA

Here is a sample of our rates To/From the USA:

Rates(US$)    COUNTRY

0.14/min.  Australia
0.23/min.  Brazil - Sao Paolo
0.12/min.  Canada
0.36/min.  China
0.14/min.  France
0.12/min.  Germany
0.10/min.  Hong Kong
0.78/min.  India
0.14/min.  Japan - Tokyo
0.14/min.  New Zealand
0.35/min.  Philippines
0.29/min.  Russia - Moscow
0.17/min.  S. Korea
0.12/min.  UK

- Rates apply 24 hrs/day, 7 days per week
- NO sign-up fees, NO monthly fees, and NO surcharges
- Billing is in 6 second increments
- You DO NOT have to SWITCH your current provider
- Ideal for Home and Business
- For residents OUTSIDE the USA, we have INT'L CALLBACK
  Contact us for complete rate table

Agents Wanted Worldwide:	  

We are also looking for agents worldwide to market our services. 
Very attractive commissions!

Contact us for more information and complete rate table at:

	st.jones@bigfoot.com

For service information, please type "info" in the subject line.

For agent information, please type "agent" in the subject line.
Please include your full name when requesting agent information.

Thank You!

From kc at omnigroup.com  Wed Feb 23 11:22:47 2000
From: kc at omnigroup.com (Ken Case)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:38 2005
Subject: Control-click on links doesn't work in RC1?
Message-ID: <200002231922.LAA10539@scyther.omnigroup.com>

The bug is that in 3.1rc1 control-click doesn't select the link  
before it pulls up the context menu.  If you select the link by hand  
first (using option-click), the context menu will function correctly.

				Ken

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It brings up the menu, but selecting things doesn't cause anything  
to happen..

this is on OSXS 1.0.2

From stevep at wrq.com  Wed Feb 23 15:52:21 2000
From: stevep at wrq.com (Steve Poole)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:38 2005
Subject: Installing on OS X DR3
Message-ID: <B4D9B2B4.3548%stevep@wrq.com>

I hope I don't need to subscribe before using the list...please let me know
if I do.

I downloaded OmniWeb and attempted to install on OS X DR3. I decompressed to
an installable package, but when I run InstallerX.app and open the package I
don't get much farther. It sits for a long time (minutes) at the Install
Software panel, saying that it is Preparing... With no sign of life, I
eventually cancel the install.

The OmniWeb.pkg file is on an HFS+ partition. This happens whether I attempt
to install to my OS X root (UFS, I think) or to the same HFS+ volume.

Any thoughts? Should this even work with DR3? I'm very much an OpenStep and
Unix novice, so don't assume I know much!

Thanks.

Steve

From wjs at omnigroup.com  Wed Feb 23 17:57:20 2000
From: wjs at omnigroup.com (William Shipley)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:38 2005
Subject: Installing on OS X DR3
Message-ID: <200002240157.RAA02001@scyther.omnigroup.com>

We suggest waiting a day or two until we release the beta of OmniWeb for  
DP3.  It's keener and stuff.  (Although it's SLOW SLOW SLOW right now.   
That'll get better.)

-W

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From colin-allen at tamu.edu  Sat Feb 26 05:53:06 2000
From: colin-allen at tamu.edu (Colin Allen)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:38 2005
Subject: javascript bug report
Message-ID: <200002261353.HAA06375@ventoux.adsl.txcyber.com>

The page at http://www.velocity-cycling.org/html/00rvcrr1.html is unusable  
in 3.1rc1 unless javascript is disabled because it automatically jumps to  
another page in the same window.  This happens with or without "Disable  
window open" checked in the User Preferences.
---
Colin Allen
http://snaefell.tamu.edu/~colin/

From BillLee at usac.net  Sat Feb 26 17:38:55 2000
From: BillLee at usac.net (BillLee@usac.net)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:38 2005
Subject: Window sizing 
Message-ID: <200002270139.AA00774@localhost.usac.net>

What is the magic combination that sets the window size when opening a new  
URL? It seems somehow tied to the window size that the first window created  
after launching the application. And if that happens to be something unusual,  
every window that opens from then on has to be resized manually, a real  
obnoxious annoyance. It seems to last at one size for a few dayes, and then I  
do something one day and from then on it's something different. How do I  
control this?

OW 3.1rc1 on turboColor

Regards,

Bill Lee

From colin-allen at tamu.edu  Sat Feb 26 18:13:29 2000
From: colin-allen at tamu.edu (Colin Allen)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:38 2005
Subject: Window sizing 
References: <200002270139.AA00774@localhost.usac.net>
Message-ID: <200002270213.UAA00576@ventoux.adsl.txcyber.com>

Window sizes and positions are controlled by the defaults system (dread -o  
OmniWeb).

Here's a recent setting of mine.

OmniWeb "NXWindow Frame MainBrowser" "215 84 706 689 0 0 956 768 "

Here's the full list of window defaults:

OmniWeb "NXWindow Frame OmniWebConsoleFrame" "-11 103 412 157 0 0 956 768 "
OmniWeb "NXWindow Frame RouteHistoryFrame" "651 462 300 200 0 0 956 768 "
OmniWeb "NXWindow Frame Find" "576 668 328 100 0 0 956 768 "
OmniWeb "NXWindow Frame Bookmarks" "77 170 345 508 0 0 956 768 "
OmniWeb "NXWindow Frame BubbleHistoryFrame" "167 331 292 397 0 0 956 768 "
OmniWeb "NXWindow Frame Inspector" "602 113 274 424 0 0 956 768 "
OmniWeb "NXWindow Frame MainBrowser" "215 84 706 689 0 0 956 768 "
OmniWeb "NXWindow Frame NXColorPanel" "7 101 196 298 0 0 956 768 "
OmniWeb "NXWindow Frame OWController" "235 -24 624 762 0 0 956 768 "
OmniWeb "NXWindow Frame NXSpellCheckerPanel" "1 154 173 321 0 0 956 768 "
OmniWeb "NXWindow Frame Preferences" "78 84 362 416 0 0 956 768 "
OmniWeb "NXWindow Frame Processes" "13 122 507 246 0 0 956 768 "
OmniWeb OpenCreatesNewWindow YES
OmniWeb "NXWindow Frame SourceView" "73 18 728 652 0 0 956 768 "
OmniWeb "NXWindow Frame LinearHistoryFrame" "635 362 300 200 0 0 956 768 "
OmniWeb "NXWindow Frame NXFontPanel" "426 153 299 330 0 0 956 768 "

---
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From wjs at omnigroup.com  Sat Feb 26 19:12:44 2000
From: wjs at omnigroup.com (William Shipley)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:38 2005
Subject: Window sizing 
Message-ID: <200002270312.TAA26018@scyther.omnigroup.com>

> It seems somehow tied to the window size that the first window created
after launching the application.

Yah.  I really hate the default window size algorithm, and I wrote it.

What would be better?  Should I write the default window size every time  
you resize any window, or when you resize a window and it's the only  
browser left? Should I allow users to specify a default window size in the  
preferences window?  Should there be a key for "remember this window size,  
I want it to be my default"?  Should I always make new windows be the same  
size as the window the link is coming from?

Get your comments in now, because I'm working on the Mac OS X release.   
(Boy is it cool.)

-W

From BillLee at usac.net  Sat Feb 26 20:09:22 2000
From: BillLee at usac.net (BillLee@usac.net)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:38 2005
Subject: Window sizing 
References: <200002270312.TAA26018@scyther.omnigroup.com>
Message-ID: <200002270409.AA00850@localhost.usac.net>

> Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 19:23:39 -0800 (PST)
> Sender: omniweb-l@omnigroup.com
> From: William Shipley <wjs@omnigroup.com>
> Subject: Re: Window sizing
>
> > It seems somehow tied to the window size that the first window created
> after launching the application.
>
> Yah.  I really hate the default window size algorithm, and I wrote it.
>
> What would be better?  Should I write the default window size every time
> you resize any window, or when you resize a window and it's the only
> browser left? Should I allow users to specify a default window size in the
> preferences window?  Should there be a key for "remember this window size,
> I want it to be my default"?  Should I always make new windows be the same
> size as the window the link is coming from?
>
> Get your comments in now, because I'm working on the Mac OS X release.
> (Boy is it cool.)
>
> -W


All that is well and good, but I'm interested in what can be done for the  
Black HW folks that are being left behind.

What sequence of operations causes the window size algorithm to be invoked?

What IS the window size algorithm?

Regards,

Bill Lee

From andrew at omnigroup.com  Sat Feb 26 21:03:41 2000
From: andrew at omnigroup.com (Andrew Abernathy)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:38 2005
Subject: Window sizing 
Message-ID: <200002270503.VAA04197@scyther.omnigroup.com>

> Should I allow users to specify a default window size in the
> preferences window?

This has my vote. I'd say [also] a button or menu item for setting the default  
to be the same size as the current main browser window.

And if it showed the window size in the title bar while you were resizing that  
would be great for us web developers to make sure our stuff looks ok in  
640x480 or 800x600 or whatever marketing has decreed.

-andrew

From sanguish at stepwise.com  Sat Feb 26 22:34:07 2000
From: sanguish at stepwise.com (Scott Anguish)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:38 2005
Subject: Window sizing 
Message-ID: <auto-000000264212@digifix.com>

I'd vote for 'however you leave it when you shut-down OmniWeb'.

thats what MailViewer does for Active.mbox right?

From jens.baumeister at uni-koeln.de  Sun Feb 27 02:24:18 2000
From: jens.baumeister at uni-koeln.de (Jens Baumeister)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:38 2005
Subject: [OMNIWEB-L] Window sizing
In-Reply-To: <10002270448.AA15660@ramandu.ext.vt.edu>
References: <10002270448.AA15660@ramandu.ext.vt.edu>
Message-ID: <a04310102b4deabc1254b@[134.95.148.44]>

At 20:47 Uhr -0800 26.02.2000, Patrick Robinson wrote:
>
>Here's something that'd be cool:  What if, when you started up Omniweb,
>its windows all opened in the locations where you left them the last time,
>(and here's the rub) even if they were all on your second monitor?
>
>Is that even possible?


I haven't done much developing on MOSXS yet, but it should be 
possible: MOSXS has a continuous set of coordinates for both screens, 
so it should work.
The only roblem would occur when you'd unhook the 2nd monitor. ICQ on 
legacy Mac OS, for example, doesn't like that one bit and won't 
display its window any more because it is located somewhere 
off-screen.
That sounds more like a bad implementation than a basic problem, though.

But like I said, I didn't do much on OSXS yet, so I might be wrong.

Jens

From BillLee at usac.net  Sun Feb 27 06:02:50 2000
From: BillLee at usac.net (BillLee@usac.net)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:38 2005
Subject: Window sizing 
References: <auto-000000264212@digifix.com>
Message-ID: <200002271402.AA01062@localhost.usac.net>

> Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 22:42:39 -0800 (PST)
> From: Scott Anguish <sanguish@stepwise.com>
> Subject: Re: Window sizing
>
> I'd vote for 'however you leave it when you shut-down OmniWeb'.
>
> thats what MailViewer does for Active.mbox right?
>
>
>
>

What is your definition of "it"? :-)

It is common on MY machine to have several browser windows open and iconified  
when I close down. Which of them should be "it"?

And what happens if "it" is something strange or bizarre? Would this mean I  
would have to re-size, stop and restart OW to get "it" fixed?

I STILL want to know what the CURRENT window sizing algorithm is and WHAT  
triggers it.

Regards,

Bill Lee


PS: Sent in ... three? four? .... stack grabbers from OW crashes last night,  
and that didn't count the couple of times I had to kill it to unfreeze it. :-(

From BillLee at usac.net  Sun Feb 27 09:57:45 2000
From: BillLee at usac.net (BillLee@usac.net)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:38 2005
Subject: Bloat!
Message-ID: <200002271757.AA01147@localhost.usac.net>

I just had to kill OW, it was hung somewhere "imaging HTML" or somesuch.

While it was running, I did a "ps" in a terminal window. The OW process showed
USER       PID  %CPU %MEM VSIZE RSIZE TT STAT  TIME COMMAND
bill      1053   0.0 64.5  175M 41.3M ?  SW   49:26  
/LocalApps/Internet/OmniWeb.app/Resources/OmniWeb.app/OmniWeb -MachLaunch 12 32


MY GAWD! 175MB VIRTUAL and 41.3 REAL!!?? What on earth is it doing with this  
kind of memory allocation? Is it just one gigantic memory leak?

Inquisitive minds (and disgruntled users!) want to know!

Bill Lee

From BillLee at usac.net  Sun Feb 27 15:30:08 2000
From: BillLee at usac.net (BillLee@usac.net)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:38 2005
Subject: Applets
Message-ID: <200002272330.AA01270@localhost.usac.net>

Is OW supposed to run applets? I see in the preferences there are controls:
	Automatically Run Applets
	Run Applets Manually
	Disallow Applets
with the apparent default being to Automatically run them.

Well, they don't appear to be running, automatically or manually...

Am I missing something here?

Regards,

Bill Lee

From piers at ilink.de  Sun Feb 27 15:56:07 2000
From: piers at ilink.de (Piers Uso Walter)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:38 2005
Subject: Window sizing 
In-Reply-To: <200002270503.VAA04197@scyther.omnigroup.com>
References: <200002270503.VAA04197@scyther.omnigroup.com>
Message-ID: <200002272356.AAA26153@joghurt.ilink.de>

Andrew Abernathy wrote:
> This has my vote. I'd say [also] a button or menu item for setting the
> default to be the same size as the current main browser window.

Same here. This is by far my prefered suggestion.


> And if it showed the window size in the title bar while you were resizing
> that would be great for us web developers to make sure our stuff looks ok
> in 640x480 or 800x600 or whatever marketing has decreed.

Yes, please do that.

And while you're at it, how about showing the size of an image in the title  
bar when an image is directly loaded into an OmniWeb window? This would  
certainly make life easier when dealing with lots of images (and wrong HTML  
image size attributes).

Regards

Piers

--
Piers Uso Walter <piers@ilink.de>
ilink Kommunikationssysteme GmbH

From wjs at omnigroup.com  Sun Feb 27 16:25:24 2000
From: wjs at omnigroup.com (William Shipley)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:38 2005
Subject: Window sizing 
Message-ID: <200002280024.QAA20040@scyther.omnigroup.com>

Well, I can send you the relevant source code.

-W


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> Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 19:23:39 -0800 (PST)
> Sender: omniweb-l@omnigroup.com
> From: William Shipley <wjs@omnigroup.com>
> Subject: Re: Window sizing
>
> > It seems somehow tied to the window size that the first window created
> after launching the application.
>
> Yah.  I really hate the default window size algorithm, and I wrote it.
>
> What would be better?  Should I write the default window size every time
> you resize any window, or when you resize a window and it's the only
> browser left? Should I allow users to specify a default window size in the
> preferences window?  Should there be a key for "remember this window size,
> I want it to be my default"?  Should I always make new windows be the same
> size as the window the link is coming from?
>
> Get your comments in now, because I'm working on the Mac OS X release.
> (Boy is it cool.)
>
> -W


All that is well and good, but I'm interested in what can be done for the  
Black HW folks that are being left behind.

What sequence of operations causes the window size algorithm to be invoked?

What IS the window size algorithm?

Regards,

Bill Lee

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From wjs at omnigroup.com  Sun Feb 27 16:28:59 2000
From: wjs at omnigroup.com (William Shipley)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:38 2005
Subject: [OMNIWEB-L] Window sizing
Message-ID: <200002280028.QAA20278@scyther.omnigroup.com>

> Here's something that'd be cool:  What if, when you started up Omniweb,
its windows all opened in the locations where you left them the last time,
(and here's the rub) even if they were all on your second monitor?

That might be cool, but it doesn't address the issue of what size to open new windows.

-W
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From colin-allen at tamu.edu  Sun Feb 27 16:33:48 2000
From: colin-allen at tamu.edu (Colin Allen)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:38 2005
Subject: [OMNIWEB-L] Window sizing
References: <200002280028.QAA20278@scyther.omnigroup.com>
Message-ID: <200002280033.SAA01078@ventoux.adsl.txcyber.com>

Here's my suggestion:

* Browser window defaults settable in user preferences.
* Check box in preferences to toggle taking size from last session or from  
preference settings.

---
Colin Allen
http://snaefell.tamu.edu/~colin/

From BillLee at usac.net  Sun Feb 27 16:45:23 2000
From: BillLee at usac.net (BillLee@usac.net)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:38 2005
Subject: [OMNIWEB-L] Window sizing
References: <200002280033.SAA01078@ventoux.adsl.txcyber.com>
Message-ID: <200002280045.AA01315@localhost.usac.net>

> Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 16:41:46 -0800 (PST)
> From: Colin Allen <colin-allen@tamu.edu>

> Here's my suggestion:
>
> * Browser window defaults settable in user preferences.
> * Check box in preferences to toggle taking size from last session or from
> preference settings.
>
> ---
> Colin Allen
> http://snaefell.tamu.edu/~colin/


A good suggestion. Any possibility of getting it folded back into something  
that the black hardware folks can use?

Regards,

Bill Lee

From andrew at omnigroup.com  Sun Feb 27 16:56:52 2000
From: andrew at omnigroup.com (Andrew Abernathy)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:38 2005
Subject: Window sizing 
Message-ID: <200002280056.QAA23660@scyther.omnigroup.com>

BillLee@usac.net wrote:

> I STILL want to know what the CURRENT window sizing algorithm is and WHAT
> triggers it.

If you only have one browser window open and you resize it, that new size is  
stored and used when opening any new windows. (So I try to make sure I have a  
second browser window open when I resize a window, to make sure it doesn't  
reset my default size.)

-andrew

From wjs at omnigroup.com  Sun Feb 27 16:58:04 2000
From: wjs at omnigroup.com (William Shipley)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:38 2005
Subject: Bloat!
Message-ID: <200002280058.QAA23942@scyther.omnigroup.com>

> MY GAWD! 175MB VIRTUAL and 41.3 REAL!!?? What on earth is it doing with this  
kind of memory allocation? Is it just one gigantic memory leak?

> Inquisitive minds (and disgruntled users!) want to know!

Unfortunately, since black hardware has been discontinued for 10 years, we don't support it much any more.  We have made almost all the source code available so users can support it themselves.  I know it's upsetting to have support for your product dropped, even after 10 years, and I will gladly refund the purchase price of your licenses if you are finding OmniWeb isn't usable.

In fact, we wrote and sell a tool to detect memory leaks, and have run OmniWeb through it many times.  We did find a lot of leaks early on, but nowadays pretty much all leaks are due to the AppKit (for example, just loading a NIB leaks some NSStrings and NSDates).

In your case, you are most likely running into a combination of bugs/limitations in NEXTSTEP.  First off, we had lots of problems with images and NSDatas not correctly freeing their VM in a variety of circumstances.  Secondly, we found that using NSDatas caused a lot of virtual pages to be allocated but not used, which made it look like your program was using a ton of memory when in fact none of it was actually resident.

Both of these bugs are fixed in OS X Server, and OS X, the platforms we support.

In general, we appreciate having bug reports sent to omniweb3@omnigroup.com, rather than this mailing list.

-W

PS: Here's the algorithm for saving a window's frame.  'ignoreChangesToWindowFrame' is only YES for a few moments while the window is loading.  Basically, if you only have one window open, it's supposed to save its frame when you resize it.  I don't think this works correctly, I don't know why.

- (void)saveFrameForWindow:(NSWindow *)aWindow;
{
    OBASSERT(aWindow == window);

    if (flags.ignoreChangesToWindowFrame || [[[OWController sharedController] webBrowsers] count] != 1)
	return;

    [window saveFrameUsingName:windowFrameSaveName];
    [[NSUserDefaults standardUserDefaults] synchronize];
}
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From andrew at omnigroup.com  Sun Feb 27 17:07:37 2000
From: andrew at omnigroup.com (Andrew Abernathy)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:38 2005
Subject: Applets
Message-ID: <200002280107.RAA24953@scyther.omnigroup.com>

> Is OW supposed to run applets?

Yes and no. (Perhaps I should say "No and yes.") OmniWeb has generic support  
for applets, but  specific support for particular _types_ of applets must also  
exist. Most people think Java when they think applet, and the current OmniWeb  
does not include Java support due to changes in Apple's Java stuff since we  
added our prior Java support.

I think (can't promise) that the next release of OmniWeb will include Java  
support again. However, Apple's Java stuff in Mac OS X Server is not yet  
perfect, and you can't use it to do the Macintosh Manager stuff.

Note that since our Java support relies on Apple's Java support, we won't have  
support for Java on OpenStep.

-andrew

From mike at caisys.co.uk  Mon Feb 28 04:48:26 2000
From: mike at caisys.co.uk (Mike Elston)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:38 2005
Subject: Window sizing 
In-Reply-To: <200002280056.QAA23660@scyther.omnigroup.com>
References: <200002280056.QAA23660@scyther.omnigroup.com>
Message-ID: <10002281248.AA02443@ gandalf.caisys.co.uk >

BillLee@usac.net wrote:

> I STILL want to know what the CURRENT window sizing algorithm is
> and WHAT triggers it.

andrew@omnigroup.com wrote:

> If you only have one browser window open and you resize it, that
> new size is stored and used when opening any new windows. (So I try
> to make sure I have a second browser window open when I resize a
> window, to make sure it doesn't reset my default size.)

I remember working that out for myself after the same sort of  
frustration experienced by Bill.  It seems to work OK... and like  
Andrew I've got used to making sure there's more than one window  
around when I resize.

But I agree that a preference would be neat, and I like the idea of  
showing window sizes in the title bar while resizing (as does  
emacs), and image sizes when an image is loaded in the window (as  
does Netscape).

As a devoted turboCube user who's stayed with NS 3.3, I've survived  
all this time with OW2, and watched tantalized the discussions  
about all the new features in OW3.  Now I've decided finally to make  
the move to MOSX, and I'm expecting my G4 to arrive this week. When  
I get MOSXS up and running, I guess I'll see what all the  
excitement has been about...

/mike
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From steve at primesourceonline.com  Sat Mar  4 12:20:26 2000
From: steve at primesourceonline.com (Steve Weintraut)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:38 2005
Subject: DP3 won't run!
Message-ID: <fc.006ad12e0010d8d9006ad12e0010d8d9.10d8dc@primesourceonline.com>

I'm a long time Mac programmer, but very new to Unix.

I tried installing OmniWeb 4.01b1 several ways without any luck.

First I decompressed it using StuffIt Deluxe on a regular OS 9 system and then copy it to my OS X
DP3 HFS Drive and then when I try running it in DP3, the program launches, and appears in the
application doc for a second or two and then dissappears.

I poked around in the unix console and tried using gzip and gnutar on the file with no luck

Can someone please give a unix newbie some advice as to what is going on.

I'm working off of a cable modem and am able to ping out to my remote servers on the net, so I do
have internet connectivity under DP3

From omniworshipper at hotmail.com  Sat Mar  4 13:57:11 2000
From: omniworshipper at hotmail.com (Omni Worshipper)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:38 2005
Subject: DP3 won't run!
Message-ID: <20000304215711.4710.qmail@hotmail.com>

Hi Mr. Mac-brain, that was pretty stupid of you to try to extract an OSX 
file using OS9 tools.

Instead, why don't you download the .tar.gz file under OSX and extract it 
using OSX tools:

ncftp 
ftp://ftp.omnigroup.com/pub/software/MacOSX/OmniWeb-4.0b1-MX-P.gnutar.gz ; 
gnutar -C ~ -xzf OmniWeb-4.0b1-MX-P.gnutar.gz ; open ~/OmniWeb.app

The above should all be typed on one line in Terminal.app.
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From sanguish at digifix.com  Sat Mar  4 18:29:54 2000
From: sanguish at digifix.com (Scott Anguish)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:38 2005
Subject: DP3 won't run!
References: <20000304215711.4710.qmail@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <38C1C6A2.EF35CD12@digifix.com>

Omni Worshipper wrote:
> 
> Hi Mr. Mac-brain, that was pretty stupid of you to try to extract an OSX
> file using OS9 tools.
> 
	Nice to make everyone feel welcome.

> Instead, why don't you download the .tar.gz file under OSX and extract it
> using OSX tools:
> 
> ncftp
> ftp://ftp.omnigroup.com/pub/software/MacOSX/OmniWeb-4.0b1-MX-P.gnutar.gz ;
> gnutar -C ~ -xzf OmniWeb-4.0b1-MX-P.gnutar.gz ; open ~/OmniWeb.app
> 
> The above should all be typed on one line in Terminal.app.

	There is little reason to resort to the command-line on Mac OS X for
every decompression.

	OpenUp has been ported.. and will handle these things fairly well
(considering that the finder integration is broken what with Finder not
having the interfaces available)

	OpenUp is listed in Softrak (http://www.stepwise.com/Softrak)

From omniworshipper at hotmail.com  Sat Mar  4 18:59:20 2000
From: omniworshipper at hotmail.com (Omni Worshipper)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:38 2005
Subject: DP3 won't run!
Message-ID: <20000305025920.38351.qmail@hotmail.com>

>There is little reason to resort to the command-line on Mac OS X
>for every decompression.

>OpenUp has been ported.. and will handle these things fairly well
>(considering that the finder integration is broken what with Finder
>not having the interfaces available)

Nice catch 22.

Good luck explaining to the "Don't Think" Mac crowd how to deal with getting 
OpenUp extracted and installed.

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From gdicker at stanford.edu  Sat Mar  4 19:45:20 2000
From: gdicker at stanford.edu (George R. Dicker)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:38 2005
Subject: OmniWeb 4.0beta1 and DP3 crash
Message-ID: <v04220800b4e788328ac4@[171.66.5.63]>

I installed OmniWeb 4.0beta1 this morning and now DP3 will not even boot.

If gives me a split folder icon when I try to boot after flashing 
something that looked like the old white NeXT terminal booting 
process.

I am running on a beige G3 minitower with a NewerTech ZIF upgrade and 
that is most likely the cause of my problem, I am just wondering if 
anyone ha sa similar experience with OmniWeb 4.0beta1.

thanks
George R. Dicker

From patrick at havens.com  Sat Mar  4 20:15:06 2000
From: patrick at havens.com (Patrick M. Havens)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:38 2005
Subject: DP3 won't run!
Message-ID: <200003050415.UAA10091@stipe.1stup.com>

> Nice catch 22.

> Good luck explaining to the "Don't Think" Mac crowd how to deal with
> getting
> OpenUp extracted and installed.

Maybe it should be set up as some sort of self-extracting archive? Less explanation that way...  "All you have to do is double click on the downloaded icon.  And then agree to everything."

That'd stop a few of these... "It was too hard!" comments.
---
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patrick@havens.com
http://patrick.havens.com



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From sanguish at stepwise.com  Sat Mar  4 21:41:37 2000
From: sanguish at stepwise.com (Scott Anguish)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:38 2005
Subject: DP3 won't run!
Message-ID: <auto-000000290832@digifix.com>

> > Nice catch 22.
>
> > Good luck explaining to the "Don't Think" Mac crowd how to deal with 
> > getting
> > OpenUp extracted and installed.
>
> Maybe it should be set up as some sort of self-extracting archive? Less 
> explanation that way...  "All you have to do is double click on  
the downloaded
> icon.  And then agree to everything."
>
> That'd stop a few of these... "It was too hard!" comments.

	Aside from the terrible security problems with such a situation...

	downloading doesn't set the executable bit... so double  
clicking on it won't really help you.. it'll load into TextEdit.   
This might (might) be something that could be horked through via  
JavaScript in a downloader... but I'm not sure..

	On Mac OS X Server it shipped on the Third Party Solutions  
CD (under the P & L folderf).. but I've been unable to get anyone to  
include it with the default install like OmniWeb is.  Its not  
considered an important enough application to go through the  
paperwork.

	I imagine that in the Mac OS X world apps like OpenUp will  
be pushed aside by the proprietary StuffIt solution (barf)..

	Talk about your monopoly..



From sanguish at stepwise.com  Sat Mar  4 21:43:32 2000
From: sanguish at stepwise.com (Scott Anguish)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:38 2005
Subject: DP3 won't run!
Message-ID: <auto-000000290834@digifix.com>

>
> >There is little reason to resort to the command-line on Mac OS X
> >for every decompression.
>
> >OpenUp has been ported.. and will handle these things fairly well 
> >(considering that the finder integration is broken what with Finder 
> >not having the interfaces available)
>
> Nice catch 22.
>
> Good luck explaining to the "Don't Think" Mac crowd how to deal  
with getting
> OpenUp extracted and installed.

	You'll note that I said 'for every decompression'.

	DP3 is for developers... not the general Mac crowd.

	I'm not sure who OmniWorshipper is (although I have a good  
guess that it's a certain individual who has caused trouble before),  
but you're not helping with the attitude.

	

From rezEdit at mac.com  Sun Mar  5 01:31:54 2000
From: rezEdit at mac.com (scott)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:38 2005
Subject: DP3 won't run!
Message-ID: <B4E7698A.18DF%rezEdit@mac.com>


>> Nice catch 22.
>> 
>> Good luck explaining to the "Don't Think" Mac crowd how to deal
>> with getting
>> OpenUp extracted and installed.
> 
> You'll note that I said 'for every decompression'.
> 
> DP3 is for developers... not the general Mac crowd.
> 
> I'm not sure who OmniWorshipper is (although I have a good
> guess that it's a certain individual who has caused trouble before),
> but you're not helping with the attitude.


I would have to agree with Scott.

I am new to the list and to the OS X/Server/NS world so I am 'jumping' in
with DP3.

As for Mr. Worshipper's comment about using 'OS 9 Tools' to decompress an
'OS X' file...

Before I got OpenUp I was using Stuffit Expander for all my DP3
decompression needs and I don't see what the problem with that is...

When I first installed DP3 I had no idea how to do it via Terminal and I
used Expander to decompress OpenUp.

And while you're cutting away at the people coming from the Mac OS side of
things keep in mind that many Mac users are power users and are quite handy
in OS's other than Mac OS.  Do you know how to extract and install Stuffit
Expander when you download it and it comes as a .sit file and you don't have
expander to unstuff it?  Should I assume you don't just because you're
probably not a long-time Mac user??

I have seen a few places where people from the NeXT world are talking about
the Mac OS and have made some errors and/or omissions.  It goes both ways.



BTW... Steve....  are you sure you're running 4.0b1?  The behavior you
describe is exactly what I experienced when I installed the older version.
Full instructions on how to install are on Omni's download page for 4.0b1.


rezEdit (scott)


From omniworshipper at hotmail.com  Sun Mar  5 10:47:52 2000
From: omniworshipper at hotmail.com (Omni Worshipper)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:38 2005
Subject: DP3 won't run!
Message-ID: <20000305184752.71563.qmail@hotmail.com>

>I'm not sure who OmniWorshipper is (although I have a good guess
>that it's a certain individual who has caused trouble before), but
>you're not helping with the attitude.

At least I provided a solution that worked, instead of blatantly
trying to promote my own product with a statement (paraphrased)
'command lines suck, get OpenUp.'

Telling someone that can't decompress a .tar.gz to go get a different
.tar.gz file is of little help.

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From omniworshipper at hotmail.com  Sun Mar  5 11:06:35 2000
From: omniworshipper at hotmail.com (Omni Worshipper)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:38 2005
Subject: DP3 won't run!
Message-ID: <20000305190635.13271.qmail@hotmail.com>

>Do you know how to extract and install Stuffit Expander when you
>download it and it comes as a .sit file and you don't have expander
>to unstuff it?

It doesn't come as a .sit file, you would receive it as either a
.hqx or a .bin file. And if you *don't already have the tools* to
extract a .bin or a .hqx (or .sit) file, there is nothing you can
do. The Mac's filesystem with its resource/data forks and type/creator
presents a true catch 22 situation when dealing with downloads.

The *only* option is to find another Mac that already has the
extraction tools you need and copy them over.

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From rezEdit at mac.com  Sun Mar  5 12:04:57 2000
From: rezEdit at mac.com (scott)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:38 2005
Subject: DP3 won't run! [now off topic]
In-Reply-To: <20000305190635.13271.qmail@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <B4E7FDE9.18EF%rezEdit@mac.com>



>> Do you know how to extract and install Stuffit Expander when you
>> download it and it comes as a .sit file and you don't have expander
>> to unstuff it?
> 
> It doesn't come as a .sit file, you would receive it as either a
> ..hqx or a .bin file.

It was a theoretical situation.  Sorry for not being more precise.

>And if you *don't already have the tools* to
> extract a .bin or a .hqx (or .sit) file, there is nothing you can
> do. The Mac's filesystem with its resource/data forks and type/creator
> presents a true catch 22 situation when dealing with downloads.

Well, chances are you could get the tools from somewhere.  Both IE and
Netscape as well as most FTP programs can decode the .bin file.  I don't see
what the catch 22 is.  Once you have a utility, any utility, it's not a
problem...  And I won't get into a discussion on the advantages and
disadvantages resource/data forks.  Type/creator has nothing to do with it.
 
> The *only* option is to find another Mac that already has the
> extraction tools you need and copy them over.

Chances are that if you have downloaded the file you have a tool to
decompress it....



rezEdit

From sanguish at digifix.com  Sun Mar  5 12:25:26 2000
From: sanguish at digifix.com (Scott Anguish)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:38 2005
Subject: DP3 won't run!
References: <20000305184752.71563.qmail@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <38C2C2B6.66B68336@digifix.com>

Omni Worshipper wrote:
> 
> >I'm not sure who OmniWorshipper is (although I have a good guess
> >that it's a certain individual who has caused trouble before), but
> >you're not helping with the attitude.
> 
> At least I provided a solution that worked, instead of blatantly
> trying to promote my own product with a statement (paraphrased)
> 'command lines suck, get OpenUp.'
> 

	OpenUp is free and includes the source.  Nothing is trying to be sold. 
It, like tons of other stuff I do, is a gift to the community.

	I never claimed your solution didn't work... only your lousy attitude.

	I also never claimed command lines suck.  

> Telling someone that can't decompress a .tar.gz to go get a different
> .tar.gz file is of little help.
> 

	And telling someone they are stupid is?

	It really isn't any wonder that you hide behind that email address..

From tjw at omnigroup.com  Sun Mar  5 13:10:19 2000
From: tjw at omnigroup.com (Timothy J. Wood)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:38 2005
Subject: [MODERATOR] Re: DP3 won't run!
In-Reply-To: <38C2C2B6.66B68336@digifix.com>
Message-ID: <0003051310.AA1912919@electabuzz>



  Please keep the discusion on this list to topics relatant to OmniWeb.  
Installation questions and answers are, of course, on topic, but 
hypothetical issues and flamage are not.  A more general discussion of 
installation tools and their relative merits and pitfalls would probably 
better belong on macosx-admin@omnigroup.com.

  Thanks!

-tim

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From eribble at purdue.edu  Mon Mar  6 14:06:23 2000
From: eribble at purdue.edu (Eric W. Ribble)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:38 2005
Subject: Invalid Licence - 4.0b1
Message-ID: <p04310102b4e9d7e30a81@purdue.edu>

After installing and attempting to run 4.0b1, I get a window which 
pops up and says -

"This application is not licensed or too many users are using this application"

It gives me an option to "Quit" or "Add License".  Clicking on the 
"Add License" does in fact show the single user license.  Any ideas?


Thanks -

Eric

From stevenloeppky at mac.com  Mon Mar  6 19:13:58 2000
From: stevenloeppky at mac.com (Steven Loeppky)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:38 2005
Subject: Installing OmniWeb 4.0b1
Message-ID: <B4E9B3F6.304%stevenloeppky@mac.com>

Hello,
   I recently downloaded  OmniWeb 4.0b1 and I was wondering how to install
it?  I am new to os x dp3 so I was wondering if you could possibly steer me
in the right direction.  Also, do you know where I can enter in my DHCP
client ID in os x dp3 (because I have a cable modem).  If there there is a
website or messageboard that has this information could you direct me to it
because I don't want to waste your time.

Thanks,
Steven 

From kc at omnigroup.com  Mon Mar  6 19:34:11 2000
From: kc at omnigroup.com (Ken Case)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:38 2005
Subject: Invalid Licence - 4.0b1
Message-ID: <200003070334.TAA23341@scyther.omnigroup.com>

Sounds like someone else on your network is already using the free  
single-user license.  OmniWeb 4.0 beta 1 uses the same licenses as  
OmniWeb 3, so the other person isn't necessarily using the new  
OmniWeb 4 beta, they might be using OmniWeb 3 under Mac OS X Server  
or OPENSTEP.

(Future betas of OmniWeb 4 will not use the same licenses as OmniWeb  
3, and will probably include expiring demo licenses for multiple  
users as we did with most of the OmniWeb 3 beta releases.)

				Ken

Begin forwarded message:

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Date: Mon Mar 06, 2000  02:49:00 PM US/Pacific
To: Multiple recipients of list <omniweb-l@omnigroup.com>
Subject: Invalid Licence - 4.0b1
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After installing and attempting to run 4.0b1, I get a window which
pops up and says -

"This application is not licensed or too many users are using this  
application"

It gives me an option to "Quit" or "Add License".  Clicking on the
"Add License" does in fact show the single user license.  Any ideas? 


Thanks -

Eric


From kc at omnigroup.com  Mon Mar  6 20:15:32 2000
From: kc at omnigroup.com (Ken Case)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:38 2005
Subject: Installing OmniWeb 4.0b1
Message-ID: <200003070415.UAA25293@scyther.omnigroup.com>

Installation instructures are provided at  
http://www.omnigroup.com/products/omniweb/download/; look for the  
section near the bottom which says "Mac OS X DP3".

I don't know of any options for configuring DHCP under Mac OS X DP3  
other than the basic "Configure: Using DHCP" setting in Preferences  
under Network Preferences's Connections tab (which just enables DHCP,  
it doesn't set any DHCP parameters), but you might try sending your  
question to our Mac OS X Administration mailing list,  
macosx-admin@omnigroup.com.

				Ken

Begin forwarded message:

From: Steven Loeppky <stevenloeppky@mac.com>
Date: Mon Mar 06, 2000  07:11:58 PM US/Pacific
To: <omniweb4@omnigroup.com>
Subject: Installing OmniWeb 4.0b1
User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) 
Hello,
   I recently downloaded  OmniWeb 4.0b1 and I was wondering how to  
install
it?  I am new to os x dp3 so I was wondering if you could possibly  
steer me
in the right direction.  Also, do you know where I can enter in my  
DHCPclient ID in os x
dp3 (because I have a cable modem).  If there there is a
website or messageboard that has this information could you direct  
me to it
because I don't want to waste your time.

Thanks,
Steven

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From: gherndon at eyeontech.com (George Herndon)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:38 2005
Subject: No subject was specified.
Message-ID: <38C4FB44.ADC9E102@eyeontech.com>

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Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:38 2005
Subject: omni and hotmail
Message-ID: <200003091445.IAA04189@ventoux.adsl.txcyber.com>

Has anyone successfully used OmniWeb with hotmail?  Yes, yes, I realize it's  
the evil empire, but it is my experience these days that about half the mail  
I get from students is from hotmail accounts, so if Omniweb can't handle  
hotmail I don't think it's going to be much of a player in the mass market.

I was able to set up a hotmail account using Omniweb, but I cannot get into  
the account at all.  I get to certain point and (after bypassing a warning  
from hotmail about using an incompatible browser) Omniweb seems to get into a  
loop with the following message on the Console:

<OWHTTPSession: 0x3b21ac0>: Caught exception Redirect loop but  
interruptedDataStream is nil

This message is generated exactly once per second until the Stop button is hit.

---
Colin Allen
http://snaefell.tamu.edu/~colin/

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From Thomason.Chad at mayo.edu  Fri Mar 10 14:01:28 2000
From: Thomason.Chad at mayo.edu (Chad Thomason)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:38 2005
Subject: assistance
Message-ID: <200003102208.QAA03937@fermat.mayo.edu>

i unstuffed the omniweb version and it appeared in the folder as  
Omniweb.app with a simpletext icon.  so the unstuffing i guess went well.    
when i try to open the app, the system sits there and does nothing.  can  
you tell me if there is some kind of work around?  i dont think the  
unstuffing went array.....but i dont think the app is working...

Chad Thomason
Analyst/Programmer
Research Computing Facility
Mayo Clinic

From kaj.hejer at usit.uio.no  Fri Mar 10 14:48:04 2000
From: kaj.hejer at usit.uio.no (Kaj Hejer)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:38 2005
Subject: assistance
In-Reply-To: <200003102208.QAA03937@fermat.mayo.edu>
References: <200003102208.QAA03937@fermat.mayo.edu>
Message-ID: <v04220803b4ef2b2edcf1@[129.240.208.218]>

At 14:38 -0800 10-03-00, Chad Thomason wrote:
>i unstuffed the omniweb version and it appeared in the folder as
>Omniweb.app with a simpletext icon.  so the unstuffing i guess went well.
>when i try to open the app, the system sits there and does nothing.  can
>you tell me if there is some kind of work around?  i dont think the
>unstuffing went array.....but i dont think the app is working...


Hi!

Did u use tar or gnutar to unstuff it? It you didn't used gnutar you should
try that.  Just an idea :)


-Kaj

From rezEdit at mac.com  Fri Mar 10 14:47:35 2000
From: rezEdit at mac.com (rezEdit)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:38 2005
Subject: assistance
In-Reply-To: <200003102208.QAA03937@fermat.mayo.edu>
Message-ID: <4.3.2.20000310144626.00a78de0@mail.mac.com>


What version of OmniWeb on what system?



rezEdit



At 02:38 PM 3/10/00 -0800, you wrote:
>i unstuffed the omniweb version and it appeared in the folder as
>Omniweb.app with a simpletext icon.  so the unstuffing i guess went well.
>when i try to open the app, the system sits there and does nothing.  can
>you tell me if there is some kind of work around?  i dont think the
>unstuffing went array.....but i dont think the app is working...

From fils at iitap.iastate.edu  Fri Mar 10 19:40:01 2000
From: fils at iitap.iastate.edu (Douglas Fils)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:38 2005
Subject: OmniWeb 4.0 beta 1 launches and exists on dp3 (syslog included)
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10003102137070.20908-100000@iitap.iastate.edu>



I have installed omniweb 4.0 on our DP3 test box and while the program
will start to launch and the icon will appear in the dock and get the
yellow bar under it to indicate it is running, it will exit with no errors
on its own.

the messages from syslog that seem to be related follow...



Mar 10 21:32:49 localhost mach_init[2]: Received destroyed notification
for service Processes-0.8198 on bootstrap port 51880 
Mar 10 21:32:49 localhost mach_init[2]: Received destroyed notification
for service EPPC-0.8198 on bootstrap port 51880 
Mar 10 21:32:49 localhost mach_init[2]: Received destroyed notification
for service CFUniqueString-04191303159$ on bootstrap port 51880 
Mar 10 21:32:49 localhost mach_init[2]: Received destroyed notification
for service CoreDrag-26627 on bootstrap port 51880 
Mar 10 21:32:49 localhost mach_init[2]: Received destroyed notification
for service YokoGeriKekomi on bootstrap port 51880 
Mar 10 21:32:49 localhost mach_init[2]: Received destroyed notification
for service MawashiGeri-8198 on bootstrap port 51880 
Mar 10 21:32:50 localhost mach_init[2]: added notification for
Processes-0.8202 
Mar 10 21:32:50 localhost mach_init[2]: added notification for EPPC-0.8202 
Mar 10 21:32:50 localhost mach_init[2]: added notification for
CFUniqueString-11750835075$ 
Mar 10 21:32:50 localhost mach_init[2]: added notification for
CoreDrag-21531 
Mar 10 21:32:52 localhost mach_init[2]: added notification for
CFUniqueString-11811475421$ 
Mar 10 21:32:52 localhost mach_init[2]: added notification for
NSApplication-MainThread-11811657093# 
Mar 10 21:32:53 localhost mach_init[2]: added notification for
YokoGeriKekomi 
Mar 10 21:32:53 localhost mach_init[2]: added notification for
MawashiGeri-8202 
Mar 10 21:32:56 localhost mach_init[2]: added notification for
Processes-0.8201 
Mar 10 21:32:56 localhost mach_init[2]: added notification for EPPC-0.8201 
Mar 10 21:32:56 localhost mach_init[2]: added notification for
CoreDrag-34059 
Mar 10 21:32:56 localhost mach_init[2]: added notification for
MawashiGeri-8201 
Mar 10 21:32:56 localhost mach_init[2]: added notification for
CFMessagePort-Reply-11910650852# 
Mar 10 21:32:57 localhost mach_init[2]: added notification for
OmniWeb_root_0 
Mar 10 21:32:58 localhost mach_init[2]: Received destroyed notification
for service CFUniqueString-11811475421$ on bootstrap port 51880 
Mar 10 21:32:58 localhost mach_init[2]: Received destroyed notification
for service NSApplication-MainThread-11811657093# on bootstrap port 51880 
Mar 10 21:32:58 localhost mach_init[2]: Received destroyed notification
for service Processes-0.8201 on bootstrap port 51880 
Mar 10 21:32:58 localhost mach_init[2]: Received destroyed notification
for service EPPC-0.8201 on bootstrap port 51880 
Mar 10 21:32:58 localhost mach_init[2]: Received destroyed notification
for service CoreDrag-34059 on bootstrap port 51880 
Mar 10 21:32:58 localhost mach_init[2]: Received destroyed notification
for service MawashiGeri-8201 on bootstrap port 51880 
Mar 10 21:32:58 localhost mach_init[2]: Received destroyed notification
for service CFMessagePort-Reply-11910650852# on bootstrap port 51880 
Mar 10 21:32:58 localhost mach_init[2]: Received destroyed notification
for service OmniWeb_root_0 on bootstrap port 51880 
Mar 10 21:33:11 localhost mach_init[2]: added notification for
Processes-0.8203 
Mar 10 21:33:11 localhost mach_init[2]: added notification for EPPC-0.8203 
Mar 10 21:33:11 localhost mach_init[2]: added notification for
CFUniqueString-12271568231$ 
Mar 10 21:33:11 localhost mach_init[2]: added notification for
CoreDrag-40475 
Mar 10 21:33:11 localhost mach_init[2]: added notification for
NSApplication-MainThread-12283421834# 
Mar 10 21:33:11 localhost mach_init[2]: added notification for
MawashiGeri-8203 
Mar 10 21:33:11 localhost mach_init[2]: added notification for
CFMessagePort-Reply-12283545251# 


A later try got similar results...




Mar 10 21:34:29 localhost mach_init[2]: added notification for
CFUniqueString-14226320859$ 
Mar 10 21:34:29 localhost mach_init[2]: added notification for
NSApplication-MainThread-14226477796# 
Mar 10 21:34:31 localhost mach_init[2]: added notification for
Processes-0.8204 
Mar 10 21:34:31 localhost mach_init[2]: added notification for EPPC-0.8204 
Mar 10 21:34:31 localhost mach_init[2]: added notification for
CoreDrag-43011 
Mar 10 21:34:31 localhost mach_init[2]: added notification for
MawashiGeri-8204 
Mar 10 21:34:31 localhost mach_init[2]: added notification for
CFMessagePort-Reply-14270001763# 
Mar 10 21:34:32 localhost mach_init[2]: added notification for
OmniWeb_root_0 
Mar 10 21:34:32 localhost mach_init[2]: Received destroyed notification
for service CFUniqueString-14226320859$ on bootstrap port 51880 
Mar 10 21:34:32 localhost mach_init[2]: Received destroyed notification
for service NSApplication-MainThread-14226477796# on bootstrap port 51880 
Mar 10 21:34:32 localhost mach_init[2]: Received destroyed notification
for service Processes-0.8204 on bootstrap port 51880 
Mar 10 21:34:32 localhost mach_init[2]: Received destroyed notification
for service EPPC-0.8204 on bootstrap port 51880 
Mar 10 21:34:32 localhost mach_init[2]: Received destroyed notification
for service CoreDrag-43011 on bootstrap port 51880 
Mar 10 21:34:32 localhost mach_init[2]: Received destroyed notification
for service MawashiGeri-8204 on bootstrap port 51880 
Mar 10 21:34:32 localhost mach_init[2]: Received destroyed notification
for service CFMessagePort-Reply-14270001763# on bootstrap port 51880 
Mar 10 21:34:32 localhost mach_init[2]: Received destroyed notification
for service OmniWeb_root_0 on bootstrap port 51880 






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From: dsafjhasdjk at yahoo.com (dsafjhasdjk@yahoo.com)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:38 2005
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From omniworshipper at hotmail.com  Sat Mar 11 11:11:48 2000
From: omniworshipper at hotmail.com (Omni Worshipper)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:38 2005
Subject: Read this you Mac-brain lemming
Message-ID: <20000311191148.20274.qmail@hotmail.com>

*Unofficial* OmniWeb-l Frequently Asked Questions _with_ Answers

1. How do I get the OmniWeb tar.gz file downloaded, and how do I
convert it into something I can run? Do I use Stuffit?

No, do not use StuffIt. Fire up Terminal.app and type (or cut&paste)
the following command, making sure that it is all on one line:

ncftp 
ftp://ftp.omnigroup.com/pub/software/MacOSX/OmniWeb-4.0b1-MX-P.gnutar.gz ; 
gnutar -C ~ -xzf OmniWeb-4.0b1-MX-P.gnutar.gz ; open ~/OmniWeb.app


______________________________________________________
Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

From art at thebitfactory.com  Sat Mar 11 15:27:27 2000
From: art at thebitfactory.com (Arthur James Virgin)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:38 2005
Subject: HTTPS
Message-ID: <20000311232738Z249111-23206+3212@mail2.one.net>

Folks,

having an *enormous* amount of trouble getting HTTPS to work on OW4.0b1  
under OSXDP3.  i've downloaded HTTPS.0.09.m... as well as the  
OPENSSL.0.9.5.

not quit sure how to "install" these pieces.  i've gnutar'd these pieces  
and placed them in the /Network/Library/PlugIns directory.  i've tried  
removing them from their directories, to no avail.  Currently they reside  
in /Network/Library/PlugIns/HTTPS.1.09.m.PI and  
/Network/Library/PlugIns/OpenSSL.0.9.5.m.PI

Is this correct?  Is their any other installation required?
Or does 4.0b1 not support these plug-ins anymore?

thanks in advance,
Art
audio@one.net

From heizer1 at llnl.gov  Mon Mar 13 07:56:41 2000
From: heizer1 at llnl.gov (Charles Heizer)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:38 2005
Subject: OmniWeb 4.0 beta 1 launches and exists on dp3 (syslog
	included)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10003102137070.20908-100000@iitap.iastate.edu>
Message-ID: <B4F24FB9.6B31%heizer1@llnl.gov>

I get the same results?

If anyone from Omni has any ideas please let us know.

- Thanks,

- Charles

> From: Douglas Fils <fils@iitap.iastate.edu>
> Reply-To: fils@iitap.iastate.edu
> Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 20:00:51 -0800 (PST)
> To: omniweb-l@omnigroup.com
> Subject: OmniWeb 4.0 beta 1 launches and exists on dp3 (syslog included)
> 
> 
> 
> I have installed omniweb 4.0 on our DP3 test box and while the program
> will start to launch and the icon will appear in the dock and get the
> yellow bar under it to indicate it is running, it will exit with no errors
> on its own.
> 
> the messages from syslog that seem to be related follow...
> 

From gibson at geo.tamu.edu  Mon Mar 13 09:24:08 2000
From: gibson at geo.tamu.edu (gibson)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:39 2005
Subject: OmniWeb 4.0 beta 1 launches and exists on dp3 (syslog
In-Reply-To: <B4F24FB9.6B31%heizer1@llnl.gov>
Message-ID: <B4F28055.50BF%gibson@geo.tamu.edu>

no problems for me - runs great and it's quite pretty with Aqua! (though, as
the intro page warns, it is a bit slow on DP3).

-rick

on 3/13/00 11:13 AM, Charles Heizer at heizer1@llnl.gov wrote:

> I get the same results?
> 
> If anyone from Omni has any ideas please let us know.
> 
> - Thanks,
> 
> - Charles
> 
>> From: Douglas Fils <fils@iitap.iastate.edu>
>> Reply-To: fils@iitap.iastate.edu
>> Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 20:00:51 -0800 (PST)
>> To: omniweb-l@omnigroup.com
>> Subject: OmniWeb 4.0 beta 1 launches and exists on dp3 (syslog included)
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I have installed omniweb 4.0 on our DP3 test box and while the program
>> will start to launch and the icon will appear in the dock and get the
>> yellow bar under it to indicate it is running, it will exit with no errors
>> on its own.

From jordan at macuniversity.com  Mon Mar 13 12:38:04 2000
From: jordan at macuniversity.com (Jordan Winkelman)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:39 2005
Subject: Omniweb won't load
Message-ID: <B4F2ADCC.773%jordan@macuniversity.com>

Hi there,

I'm looking for some help.  I downloaded OmniWeb for Mac OS X DP3 and I
can't get omniweb to load.  It starts loading the application and then just
stops.  Is there a particular place that I should be putting the omniweb
application.  Is it a problem with running off of an HFS extended drive.  I
can copy any files on to the Mac-os-x drive so I'm just not sure what to do.

Jordan Winkelman
Curriously interested in what I'm doing wrong 

From kc at omnigroup.com  Tue Mar 14 00:13:16 2000
From: kc at omnigroup.com (Ken Case)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:39 2005
Subject: HTTPS
Message-ID: <200003140813.AAA03912@scyther.omnigroup.com>

OmniWeb 3 plug-ins are not compatible with OmniWeb 4.  (Sorry, we  
should've changed the version strings so OmniWeb 4 wouldn't attempt  
to load them.)

To my knowledge, there are no OmniWeb 4 plug-ins yet (other than the  
ones which ship with it, like JavaScript).

				Ken

From kc at omnigroup.com  Tue Mar 14 00:22:21 2000
From: kc at omnigroup.com (Ken Case)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:39 2005
Subject: OmniWeb 4.0beta1 and DP3 crash
Message-ID: <200003140822.AAA04164@scyther.omnigroup.com>

Nobody else has reported a similar problem.  It's very unlikely that  
installing OmniWeb could lead to an inability to boot your system.

				Ken Case
				Director of Engineering
				The Omni Group

From kc at omnigroup.com  Tue Mar 14 00:26:12 2000
From: kc at omnigroup.com (Ken Case)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:39 2005
Subject: DP3 won't run!
Message-ID: <200003140826.AAA04441@scyther.omnigroup.com>

> Before I got OpenUp I was using Stuffit Expander for all my DP3
> decompression needs and I don't see what the problem with that
> is...

There is no problem for standard tar file distributions (such as the  
OpenUp distribution), but OmniWeb relies on the extended GNU tar  
format because some of its pathnames are too long for the standard  
tar format.  Unfortunately, StuffIt Expander apparently doesn't  
understand the gnutar format, but it goes ahead and tries to unpack  
anyway, leading to a corrupt distribution of OmniWeb which won't  
launch.

We're exploring other packaging alternatives to avoid this problem  
in the future.

				Ken

From jurgen at oic.de  Tue Mar 14 04:24:06 2000
From: jurgen at oic.de (Juergen Moellenhoff)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:39 2005
Subject: HTTPS
In-Reply-To: <200003140813.AAA03912@scyther.omnigroup.com>
References: <200003140813.AAA03912@scyther.omnigroup.com>
Message-ID: <200003141224.NAA00392@nexus.oic.de>


Hi,

> OmniWeb 3 plug-ins are not compatible with OmniWeb 4.  (Sorry, we
> should've changed the version strings so OmniWeb 4 wouldn't attempt
> to load them.)
>
> To my knowledge, there are no OmniWeb 4 plug-ins yet (other than the
> ones which ship with it, like JavaScript).

I couldn't compile the HTTPS plug-in for MacOS X DP3 and OW 4, because the DP3  
doesn't run stable on my PowerBook G3 (Lombard), the DP3 crashes faster than  
you can say MacOS X DP3 :-).

Bye,

  Juergen Moellenhoff

From hujhgj at hotmail.com  Sat Mar 18 21:10:33 2000
From: hujhgj at hotmail.com (hujhgj@hotmail.com)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:39 2005
Subject: We need to talk!
Message-ID: <447.862101.505439@hotmail.com>

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From charlie at baldeagle.com  Mon Mar 20 09:07:50 2000
From: charlie at baldeagle.com (charlie)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:39 2005
Subject: help!!!!!
Message-ID: <38D65AE3.B6B7843C@baldeagle.com>

how the heck do you get the modem working???charlie

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From: wenindbtr at yahoo.com (wenindbtr@yahoo.com)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:39 2005
Subject: Rug Munching Hunnies...Lesbian Lovers!
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From Frederic.Foucault at curie.fr  Tue Mar 21 05:30:11 2000
From: Frederic.Foucault at curie.fr (=?iso-8859-1?B?RnLpZOlyaWMgRm91Y2F1bHQ=?=)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:39 2005
Subject: help!!!!!
In-Reply-To: <38D65AE3.B6B7843C@baldeagle.com>
Message-ID: <NDBBJBOOIELKGOGOALNFAEJDCCAA.Frederic.Foucault@curie.fr>

Modem ?
OS ?
ppp version ? Running ?
ppp script Used ?
Gatekeeper ?
LogOn ?
PAP ?
CHAP ?

I'm willing to help you.

Fr??d??ric

-----Message d'origine-----
De : omniweb-l@omnigroup.com [mailto:omniweb-l@omnigroup.com]De la part
de charlie
Envoy?? : lundi 20 mars 2000 18:12
?? : Multiple recipients of list
Objet : help!!!!!


how the heck do you get the modem working???charlie


From jurgen at oic.de  Wed Mar 22 06:26:43 2000
From: jurgen at oic.de (Juergen Moellenhoff)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:39 2005
Subject: OW 3.1 accepts no Cookies!!
Message-ID: <200003221426.PAA00421@nexus.oic.de>

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From portnoy at portnoy.org  Wed Mar 22 06:42:28 2000
From: portnoy at portnoy.org (Stephen Peters)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:39 2005
Subject: OW 3.1 accepts no Cookies!!
In-Reply-To: Juergen Moellenhoff's message of "Wed, 22 Mar 2000 06:28:44 -0800 (PST)"
References: <200003221426.PAA00421@nexus.oic.de>
Message-ID: <m3hfdzf4mj.fsf@circe.portnoy.org>

Juergen Moellenhoff <jurgen@oic.de> writes:

> You can try this
> "http://www05.billiger-telefonieren.de/sms/send.php3?action=form2&networkkey=Eplus"
> URL, it is a german SMS-Service (free) for mobile phones and the URL
> tries to set a Cookie but fails and tells me that my Browser doesn't
> allow Cookies!! What's wrong? I thought that OW can handle Cookies?

This may just be a case of a web site which just checks whether the
user's browser is a Netscape or IE variant, rather than actually
trying to set a cookie and failing.  For example, I get the same
message (I assume it's the same, since I don't read German :-) when
trying to use lynx, another cookie-capable browser.

In your OmniWeb preferences, there's a "browser compatibility" switch
where you can list domains for which OmniWeb will pretend to be
Netscape.  Try adding billiger-telefonien.de to that list, and see if
that fixes the problem.

-- 
Stephen L. Peters                                   portnoy@ai.mit.edu
      PGP fingerprint: BFA4 D0CF 8925 08AE  0CA5 CCDD 343D 6AC6
     "Poodle: The other white meat." -- Sherman, Sherman's Lagoon

From kc at omnigroup.com  Wed Mar 22 06:53:44 2000
From: kc at omnigroup.com (Ken Case)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:39 2005
Subject: OW 3.1 accepts no Cookies!!
Message-ID: <200003221453.GAA18458@scyther.omnigroup.com>

OmniWeb definitely does support cookies:  I have cookies from about  
300 sites right now, including yahoo.com and nytimes.com.

If you pull up the OmniWeb console, turn on the "Show HTTP Requests"  
checkbox, and go to the URL in question  
(http://www05.billiger-telefonieren.de/sms/send.php3?action=form2&networkkey=Eplus),  
you'll find that that page doesn't actually send us a "Set-Cookie"  
header, so obviously we're not going to send one back.

Perhaps that site tried to send you a cookie on an earlier page, and  
expects that you'd have the cookie by the time you reached this  
page?  If you can give me a URL that actually sends a "Set-Cookie"  
header, I'd be quite willing to diagnose why that cookie gets lost.

Oh, wait a minute, perhaps this is one of the bugs in 3.1rc1 which I  
fixed for 4.0b1 (and have just finished rolling back into 3.1rc2).   
I believe the bug was that the HTTP session was looking up the  
authentication information and cookies for the first URL you visited  
at the site, and would not update that information for subsequent  
HTTP requests (which is why you'd have to reload to get past  
authenticating servers in 3.1rc1).  In 4.0b1 (and 3.1rc2), the  
session looks up your authentication information and cookies for  
every page you visit.

				Ken

From jurgen at oic.de  Wed Mar 22 06:57:24 2000
From: jurgen at oic.de (Juergen Moellenhoff)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:39 2005
Subject: OW 3.1 accepts no Cookies!!
Message-ID: <200003221457.PAA00508@nexus.oic.de>

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From jurgen at oic.de  Wed Mar 22 07:14:31 2000
From: jurgen at oic.de (Juergen Moellenhoff)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:39 2005
Subject: OW 3.1 accepts no Cookies!!
In-Reply-To: <200003221453.GAA18458@scyther.omnigroup.com>
References: <200003221453.GAA18458@scyther.omnigroup.com>
Message-ID: <200003221514.QAA00521@nexus.oic.de>


Hi,

> OmniWeb definitely does support cookies:  I have cookies from about
> 300 sites right now, including yahoo.com and nytimes.com.

Yes I know :-), I have a lot of cookies, too. But in the last time I get more  
and more Web-Pages that tell me that my Browser can't handle cookies...

> If you pull up the OmniWeb console, turn on the "Show HTTP Requests"
> checkbox, and go to the URL in question

> you'll find that that page doesn't actually send us a "Set-Cookie" header,
> so obviously we're not going to send one back.

Yep, you are right, sorry I send you the wrong URL. That's  
"http://www05.billiger-telefonieren.de/sms/send.php3?action=accept" the correct  
URL.

> Oh, wait a minute, perhaps this is one of the bugs in 3.1rc1 which I
> fixed for 4.0b1 (and have just finished rolling back into 3.1rc2).
> I believe the bug was that the HTTP session was looking up the
> authentication information and cookies for the first URL you visited
> at the site, and would not update that information for subsequent
> HTTP requests (which is why you'd have to reload to get past
> authenticating servers in 3.1rc1).  In 4.0b1 (and 3.1rc2), the
> session looks up your authentication information and cookies for
> every page you visit.

Yes, I guess that's the problem, because OW sets the Cookie (I can see the  
Cookie in the Cooke Preferences) but it looks like that later OW can't remember  
that it has a cookie.

But on the other hand it is the same behavior with OW 2.7 and OW 3.0...

The major problem is that a bank in germany changed the login procedure and  
now it it necessary that OW can handle the cookies correct (it is the same  
problem, the server says that OW can't handle cookies) or the people can't use  
the Banking-Service together with my HTTPS-Bundle and because of that I got  
some eMails...

Bye,

 Juergen

From jurgen at oic.de  Wed Mar 22 08:12:07 2000
From: jurgen at oic.de (Juergen Moellenhoff)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:39 2005
Subject: OW 3.1 accepts no Cookies!!
References: <200003221453.GAA18458@scyther.omnigroup.com>
Message-ID: <200003221612.RAA00951@nexus.oic.de>

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From jurgen at oic.de  Wed Mar 22 08:25:05 2000
From: jurgen at oic.de (Juergen Moellenhoff)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:39 2005
Subject: OW 3.1 accepts no Cookies!!
In-Reply-To: <200003221514.QAA00521@nexus.oic.de>
References: <200003221514.QAA00521@nexus.oic.de>
Message-ID: <200003221625.RAA01052@nexus.oic.de>


Hi,

> Yes, I guess that's the problem, because OW sets the Cookie (I can see the  
> Cookie in the Cooke Preferences) but it looks like that later OW can't
> remember  
> that it has a cookie.
> 
> But on the other hand it is the same behavior with OW 2.7 and OW 3.0...

I found the problem for the ".billiger-telefonieren.de" Domain, that's the cookie that the server sends:

"Set-Cookie: C_sms=0e4e9529d8030129651a0b33908b5d6d; expires=Monday, 25-Jan-16 17:10:24 GMT; path=/; domain=.billiger-telefonieren.de"

and that's the cookie inside the Cookie.plist file:

{
    ".billiger-telefonieren.de" = {
        / = {
            C_sms = {
                expirationDate = "Tue, 25 Jan 1916 17:10:24 GMT"; 
                expirationTime = "-2680325376"; 
                value = 0e4e9529d8030129651a0b33908b5d6d; 
            }; 
        }; 
    }; 
}


It is 1916 for OmniWeb and not 2016. I changed it so that the expirationDate is in the future and now it works!!

I don't know if the server has a bug or OW, but at least IE and Netscape can handle the date 25-Jan-16...

Bye,

   J?rgen
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From piers at ilink.de  Wed Mar 22 08:55:17 2000
From: piers at ilink.de (Piers Uso Walter)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:39 2005
Subject: OW 3.1 accepts no Cookies!!
In-Reply-To: <200003221625.RAA01052@nexus.oic.de>
References: <200003221625.RAA01052@nexus.oic.de>
Message-ID: <200003221655.RAA08882@ilink.de>

you wrote:
> It is 1916 for OmniWeb and not 2016. I changed it so that the
> expirationDate is in the future and now it works!!
>
> I don't know if the server has a bug or OW, but at least IE and Netscape
> can handle the date 25-Jan-16...
>
> Bye,
>
> Jurgen

This is a known bug in OmniWeb (regarding these two digit numbers as 1900 +  
x years, not as 2000 + x, as Netscape supposedly had specified this).

See also http://www.php.net/y2k.php3, claiming "All browsers understand this  
2-digit format, and thus this is the default in PHP."

Regards

Piers Uso Walter <piers@ilink.de>
ilink Kommunikationssysteme GmbH

From jurgen at oic.de  Wed Mar 22 09:00:00 2000
From: jurgen at oic.de (Juergen Moellenhoff)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:39 2005
Subject: OW 3.1 accepts no Cookies!!
In-Reply-To: <200003221625.RAA01052@nexus.oic.de>
References: <200003221625.RAA01052@nexus.oic.de>
Message-ID: <200003221700.SAA01236@nexus.oic.de>


Hi,

> It is 1916 for OmniWeb and not 2016. I changed it so that the  expirationDate
> is in the future and now it works!!
> 
> I don't know if the server has a bug or OW, but at least IE and Netscape can
> handle the date  25-Jan-16... 

I found this:

    // Read year (two or four digits)
    year = [scanner scanUnsignedIntegerMaximumDigits:4];
    if (year <= 99) {
        year += 1900;
    }


inside the +[NSDate readRFCFormatDateFromScanner:] (OWExtensions) method. I changed it so that it looks like this:

    // Read year (two or four digits)
    year = [scanner scanUnsignedIntegerMaximumDigits:4];
	if ((year >= 30) && (year <= 99)) 
		year += 1900;
	else
		year += 2000;

and now the Cookie for the ".billiger-telefonieren.de" Domain works (at leat until 2030 ;-)). Is this a Y2k bug :-)???

Bye,

  J?rgen
 
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From jurgen at oic.de  Wed Mar 22 11:27:06 2000
From: jurgen at oic.de (Juergen Moellenhoff)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:39 2005
Subject: OW 3.1 accepts no Cookies!!
In-Reply-To: <m12XqDi-000CFvC@colossus.nexttoyou.de>
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	<m12WhXO-000CFvC@colossus.nexttoyou.de> Hi,
	<200003191609.RAA00375@nexus.oic.de>
	<m12Xa4X-000CFvC@colossus.nexttoyou.de>
	<200003221407.PAA00404@nexus.oic.de>
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From kc at omnigroup.com  Wed Mar 22 13:51:54 2000
From: kc at omnigroup.com (Ken Case)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:32:39 2005
Subject: OW 3.1 accepts no Cookies!!
Message-ID: <200003222151.NAA26638@scyther.omnigroup.com>

> I don't know if the server has a bug or OW, but at least IE and
> Netscape can handle the date  25-Jan-16...

That's what I get for believing the Cookie Specification  
(http://home.netscape.com/newsref/std/cookie_spec.html)!  It says  
that the date will be formatted with 4-digit years, so I originally  
allowed only that.  When I discovered a few years ago that some sites  
were also using 2-digit years, I added support for that as well--but  
I assumed (incorrectly, in retrospect) that nobody would be foolish  
enough to continue using 2-digit years for electronic communication  
following Y2K, that beyond Y2K everyone would be following the spec  
and using unambiguous years.  I guess I was wrong!

Fixed for 3.1rc2 and 4.0rc2.  (By the way, i