ignored? Message-ID: <199701231640.LAA11396@nerc.com> It seems that the <title> is ignored when loading a page into the main frame off the TOC page at my site (http://www.peak.org/~luomat/next). The title never changes. Is this a known bug or is it standard behavior? TjL, still trying to learn frames. -- Tj Luoma (luomat@peak.org) If you have a web page about NeXTStep|OpenStep, email me the URL! From reichman at usc.edu Thu Jan 23 14:20:14 1997 From: reichman at usc.edu (Matthew N. Reichman) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:32:09 2005 Subject: David Aspinall's OmniDocExtensions Bundle In-Reply-To: <9701230559.AA19399@misckit.com> References: <9701230559.AA19399@misckit.com> Message-ID: <199701232220.OAA00394@usc.edu> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: not available Type: text/enriched Size: 209 bytes Desc: not available Url : /mailman/archive/omniweb-l/attachments/19970123/f1070bfa/attachment.bin From milov at fingers.acs.uwlax.edu Thu Jan 23 15:33:06 1997 From: milov at fingers.acs.uwlax.edu (Milo Velimirovic - 608/785-8030) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:32:09 2005 Subject: unfucking the script References: <199701232220.OAA00394@usc.edu> Message-ID: <9701232333.AA15021@fingers.acs.uwlax.edu> Lance, look for the code where it unwebify's the stuff coming in and changes + to spaces... it may do it to visitor names too. --Milo From Jeff_Sickel at sickel.com Thu Jan 23 23:48:52 1997 From: Jeff_Sickel at sickel.com (Jeffrey A. Sickel) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:32:09 2005 Subject: David Aspinall's OmniDocExtensions Bundle In-Reply-To: <199701231441.JAA09889@nerc.com> References: <199701231441.JAA09889@nerc.com> Message-ID: <9701240755.AA08732@sickel.com> On Thu, 23 Jan 97, Timothy J Luoma chose to write: > > without selecting any of the frames, choose "print" (I tested this > with print then "preview"). > > If none of the frames are selected > 1) the bundle doesn't seem to insert the date/url/etc > 2) the page will have about 3" margin at the top and bottom > of the page > I've noticed that the printing has that ~3" top and bottom margin no matter what is done for printing. Any answers to why this happens? jas From Jeff_Sickel at sickel.com Fri Jan 24 04:37:19 1997 From: Jeff_Sickel at sickel.com (Jeffrey A. Sickel) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:32:09 2005 Subject: David Aspinall's OmniDocExtensions Bundle In-Reply-To: <199701231640.LAA11396@nerc.com> References: <199701231640.LAA11396@nerc.com> Message-ID: <9701241244.AA08921@sickel.com> Here's a little extension to David's OmniDocExtensions bundle. I probably shouldn't have renamed it since that could cause name space problems (unless Omni's got a safer bundle loader than most .. :), but it was easier to throw together a ripped off icon for PrintRIP. Part of the reason I took a look into the source, was TjL's post of the bug while printing with frames. Well, it's still there (the 3" one at least), but that is also a problem for any printing from OmniWeb (except the source view). I also wanted to figure out the Preferences additions. Well, that took longer than adding a category to OWFrameSetDocView to print the header, but at least I think I've got most of the API figured out. So.... What the Bundle still needs - a preference panel to set header format (date/no date, font, color ... ) - footer support (put page numbers on the bottom ... ) - should probably be done as a subclass rather than a category, then the subclass could poseAs: the OmniDocView and then I could be 100% sure that I am not overridding a method used by OmniDocView - a dictionary file to avoind the error message that prints on the console - check the length of the URL to make sure it will fit between the page number and the date I've only taken care of adding a preliminary preference panel With the option to print the header or not (which overrides all other options). A date format field in the form of strftime (NSCalendarDate's calendarFormat). PrintRIP's Omni.dictionary with the current defaults set not to print. A little more documentation on the Omni.dictionary format would be nice. It took some digging to find the immediateLoad = YES. [An attachment was originally included here] PrintRIP.omniweb NIHS [An attachment was originally included here] PrintRIP, 3.3 Project source Would anyone else find it useful to have a handle (http://www.handle.net/) protocol bundle? HTTP/1.1? Regards, jas -------------- next part -------------- Skipped content of type multipart/mixed From luomat at nerc.com Fri Jan 24 07:35:41 1997 From: luomat at nerc.com (Timothy J Luoma) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:32:09 2005 Subject: David Aspinall's OmniDocExtensions Bundle In-Reply-To: <9701241244.AA08921@sickel.com> References: <9701241244.AA08921@sickel.com> Message-ID: <199701241535.KAA11042@nerc.com> Responding To: "Jeffrey A. Sickel" <Jeff_Sickel@sickel.com> Original Date: Fri, 24 Jan 97 04:35:28 -0800 Message-ID: <9701241244.AA08921@sickel.com> > Here's a little extension to David's OmniDocExtensions bundle. By "extension" do you mean that this replaces David's bundle or works together with it (ie do I have to have both installed or not?) Thanks TjL -- Tj Luoma (luomat@peak.org) If you have a web page about NeXTStep|OpenStep, email me the URL! From Jeff_Sickel at balt.BLaCKSMITH.com Fri Jan 24 07:58:45 1997 From: Jeff_Sickel at balt.BLaCKSMITH.com (Jeff Sickel) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:32:09 2005 Subject: David Aspinall's OmniDocExtensions Bundle Message-ID: <199701241555.KAA01659@balt.BLaCKSMITH.com> Begin forwarded message: In-Reply-To: <199701241535.KAA11042@nerc.com> From: Jeff Sickel <deviant> Date: Fri, 24 Jan 97 10:48:25 -0500 To: luomat@peak.org Subject: Re: David Aspinall's OmniDocExtensions Bundle On Fri, 24 Jan 97, Timothy J Luoma wrote: >>Here's a little extension to David's OmniDocExtensions bundle. > >By "extension" do you mean that this replaces David's bundle or works together >with it (ie do I have to have both installed or not?) > Actually, it replaces the OmniDocExtensions.omni. It's all David's code for the DPSContext, just a preference added so and a couple of other 'features'. jas From Marc_Driftmeyer at next.com Fri Jan 24 10:53:46 1997 From: Marc_Driftmeyer at next.com (Marc Driftmeyer (Temp)) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:32:09 2005 Subject: David Aspinall's OmniDocExtensions Bundle References: <9701241244.AA08921@sickel.com> Message-ID: <9701241853.AA16510@oz.next.com> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I think you will find the margin will shrink up. --- David Aspinall ---------------- GE Capital Technology Management Services vMail : (905) 507-5039 5990 Avebury Road, Fax : (905) 507-4903 Mississauga, Ontario, Canada, eMail : daspinall@gects.ge.com L5R 3R2 From sugee at asu.edu Fri Jan 24 11:49:42 1997 From: sugee at asu.edu (Sue) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:32:09 2005 Subject: David Aspinall's OmniDocExtensions Bundle Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970124124048.20415B-100000@general2.asu.edu> Hello All, I would like to first extend my appreciation and thanks to those who have made this contribution. However, might I offer the following header and footer printing format? I think it would offer the most useful reference tags. Header Flush Left - Web Page Title Header Flush Right - URL Footer Flush Left - Date - Time Footer Flush Right - Page of Page The extra border space and page skrinkage when it comes to printing is something that I have long had a problem with when it came to OmniWeb and wonder why this was. The same occurs with NetSurfer too. Also, page breaks for printing don't do so well either. Consequently, and for those important morsels of information, I simply cut and pace into Edit or WordPerfect before printing out and to store for later reference. I should perhaps point out that at least these are the problems I encounter when working in my NS 3.3 NTSC environment. David Aspinall (daspinall@gects.ge.com) is right about how resizing the browser window has an effect on the print margins and document size. I had noticed this before. I'll have to check to see if the same is true of NetSurfer. Kind Regards Sue From Jeff_Sickel at balt.BLaCKSMITH.com Fri Jan 24 11:55:28 1997 From: Jeff_Sickel at balt.BLaCKSMITH.com (Jeff Sickel) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:32:09 2005 Subject: David Aspinall's OmniDocExtensions Bundle In-Reply-To: <9701241853.AA16510@oz.next.com> References: <9701241853.AA16510@oz.next.com> Message-ID: <199701241952.OAA02173@balt.BLaCKSMITH.com> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/enriched Size: 479 bytes Desc: not available Url : /mailman/archive/omniweb-l/attachments/19970124/127228ce/attachment.bin From Marc_Driftmeyer at next.com Fri Jan 24 13:10:00 1997 From: Marc_Driftmeyer at next.com (Marc Driftmeyer (Temp)) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:32:09 2005 Subject: David Aspinall's OmniDocExtensions Bundle References: <199701241952.OAA02173@balt.BLaCKSMITH.com> Message-ID: <9701242110.AA19530@oz.next.com> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/enriched Size: 1053 bytes Desc: not available Url : /mailman/archive/omniweb-l/attachments/19970124/6f7bacbd/attachment.bin From Jeff_Sickel at balt.BLaCKSMITH.com Fri Jan 24 13:36:13 1997 From: Jeff_Sickel at balt.BLaCKSMITH.com (Jeff Sickel) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:32:10 2005 Subject: David Aspinall's OmniDocExtensions Bundle In-Reply-To: <9701242110.AA19530@oz.next.com> References: <9701242110.AA19530@oz.next.com> Message-ID: <199701242133.QAA02322@balt.BLaCKSMITH.com> On Fri, 24 Jan 97, Marc Driftmeyer (Temp) wrote: >I am using 2.1.4, but that was not my point. The extension .omniweb is neither >.omni, .omnibundle, .omniimage, etc... Nothing more. > As I said, version 2.5-beta-2 (and I believe at least a few before it) use { ".omniweb"; ".omniimage"; ".omni"; } so under 2.5, .omniweb works. I didn't have the opportunity to try out the bundle on 2.1.4 or earlier versions do to not having them on my system. I guess there's still a vagueness about the naming conventions for OmniWeb bundles.... Just as there was a vagueness in ensuring the bundle was loaded once it also included the Omni.dictionary and the OmniPreferencesClient subclass. Ah, the beauty of documentation. jas -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/enriched Size: 809 bytes Desc: not available Url : /mailman/archive/omniweb-l/attachments/19970124/41e76797/attachment.bin From gmieg at EGNEXT1.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Fri Jan 24 13:45:52 1997 From: gmieg at EGNEXT1.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (George Irwin) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:32:10 2005 Subject: David Aspinall's OmniDocExtensions Bundle Message-ID: <9701242145.AA04612@egnext1.SLAC.Stanford.EDU> Exactly how do you get this bundle to load when you run OmniWeb. George From luomat at nerc.com Fri Jan 24 20:22:08 1997 From: luomat at nerc.com (Timothy J Luoma) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:32:10 2005 Subject: David Aspinall's OmniDocExtensions Bundle In-Reply-To: <9701242145.AA04612@egnext1.SLAC.Stanford.EDU> References: <9701242145.AA04612@egnext1.SLAC.Stanford.EDU> Message-ID: <199701250422.XAA03676@nerc.com> Responding To: George Irwin <gmieg@EGNEXT1.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> Original Date: Fri, 24 Jan 97 13:47:12 -0800 Message-ID: <9701242145.AA04612@egnext1.SLAC.Stanford.EDU> > Exactly how do you get this bundle to load when you run OmniWeb. I put it in /LocalLibrary/OmniComponents and called it "PrintRIP.omni", although it has been suggested that I didn't need to rename it -- I didn't know that at the time, and since it works now, I have left it there. Don't ask me why it isn't /LocalLibrary/OmniWeb, cuz I can't tell you cuz I don't know either. TjL -- Tj Luoma (luomat@peak.org) If you have a web page about NeXTStep|OpenStep, email me the URL! From wjs Sat Jan 25 02:08:54 1997 From: wjs (William Shipley) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:32:10 2005 Subject: David Aspinall's OmniDocExtensions Bundle In-Reply-To: <199701250422.XAA03676@nerc.com> References: <199701250422.XAA03676@nerc.com> Message-ID: <9701251008.AA14283@omnigroup.com> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/enriched Size: 85 bytes Desc: not available Url : /mailman/archive/omniweb-l/attachments/19970125/e4046c12/attachment.bin From luomat at nerc.com Sat Jan 25 06:32:10 1997 From: luomat at nerc.com (Timothy J Luoma) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:32:10 2005 Subject: I'm not getting my own posts to this list Message-ID: <199701251432.JAA03334@nerc.com> Is that new? I just noticed that when I send a message to the group I don't seem to get a copy of it back (as confirmation that it made it to the list). Can anyone comment on this? Thanks TjL -- Tj Luoma (luomat@peak.org) If you have a web page about NeXTStep|OpenStep, email me the URL! From luomat at nerc.com Sun Jan 26 08:48:05 1997 From: luomat at nerc.com (Timothy J Luoma) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:32:10 2005 Subject: HTML question (OW not strict enough or what?) Message-ID: <199701261648.LAA04184@nerc.com> I have had people tell me that they cannot access various pages I made because they are getting this error: /~luomat/next/~luomat/next/index-noframes.html not found now, nowhere do I have ~luomat/next/~luomat/next/index-noframes.html, so I am thinking that something must be wrong. Is ~luomat an invalid link? it seems to work perfectly for me using OW, but others (with unknown browsers) are having problems. 1) if this is OW's way of dealing with bad HTML code, then I'd like to know 2) if there's some other reason, I'd like to know that too. Meanwhile, I'm going to take out the ~luomat and see if that helps TjL -- Tj Luoma (luomat@peak.org) If you have a web page about NeXTStep|OpenStep, email me the URL! From kc Sun Jan 26 09:21:36 1997 From: kc (Ken Case) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:32:10 2005 Subject: I'm not getting my own posts to this list Message-ID: <9701261721.AA29628@omnigroup.com> > I just noticed that when I send a message to the group I don't seem > to get a copy of it back (as confirmation that it made it to the > list). Whether you receive copies of your own posts depends on your subscription settings. If you would like to receive copies of the posts you send to OmniWeb-l, send mail to listproc@omnigroup.com with the command: set omniweb-l mail ack (Note: all commands go in the body of the message--the subject line is ignored.) For more information on listproc commands and settings, send listproc@omnigroup.com the commands "help" and "help set". (You can send multiple commands in one message, just put each command on its own line.) Ken From kc Sun Jan 26 09:31:27 1997 From: kc (Ken Case) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:32:10 2005 Subject: HTML question (OW not strict enough or what?) Message-ID: <9701261731.AA00151@omnigroup.com> > Is ~luomat an invalid link? Yes, it is. Or, rather, it isn't strictly invalid, but it should be interpreted in the way the other browsers are interpreting it (looking for a subdirectory named "~luomat" off the current directory), rather than working the way it is now (looking for a root directory named "~luomat"). The link should, in fact, be to "/~luomat" rather than just "~luomat". We introduced the current behavior sometime between 2.0 beta 4 and 5. I don't remember the details any more, but presumably it was to handle some bad HTML somewhere that someone complained about. (I should have made it a compatibility preference, and will plan to do so for the next release.) Ken From luomat at nerc.com Sun Jan 26 10:09:34 1997 From: luomat at nerc.com (Timothy J Luoma) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:32:10 2005 Subject: Processes panel Message-ID: <199701261809.NAA05316@nerc.com> Usually the status bar (where the currently URL is displayed) shows the progress, etc of the file being downloaded. However, if I bring up the processes panel, the status bar no longer show the progress, it is only in the processes panel, which isn't bad, except that when I close the processes panel, it still doesn't show me what's happening unless I reopen the processes panel. under 2.5beta2 comments? TjL -- Tj Luoma (luomat@peak.org) If you have a web page about NeXTStep|OpenStep, email me the URL! From scollarw at cadvision.com Sun Jan 26 10:11:43 1997 From: scollarw at cadvision.com (guzzibill) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:32:10 2005 Subject: I'm not getting my own posts to this list In-Reply-To: <199701251432.JAA03334@nerc.com> References: <199701251432.JAA03334@nerc.com> Message-ID: <9701261811.AA01149@guzzibill.cadvision.com> You wrote: > Is that new? I just noticed that when I send a message to the > group I don't seem to get a copy of it back (as confirmation that > it made it to the list). > > Can anyone comment on this? > > Thanks > > TjL Tim : you should send the following command to the omniweb-l listserver (the one you subscribed via) SET omniweb-l REPRO and forever after you "should" receive an echo copy of your postings. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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All mention of it (indeed, of any product other than JavaPlan) seems to have been purged from their web site at http://www.lighthouse.com/. --- Stephen Fitzpatrick S.Fitzpatrick@cs.qub.ac.uk From wjs Mon Jan 27 16:41:33 1997 From: wjs (William Shipley) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:32:10 2005 Subject: omniweb/lighthouse In-Reply-To: <9701271835.AA00523@odo.cs.qub.ac.uk> References: <9701271835.AA00523@odo.cs.qub.ac.uk> Message-ID: <9701280041.AA01522@omnigroup.com> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/enriched Size: 246 bytes Desc: not available Url : /mailman/archive/omniweb-l/attachments/19970127/ed20b272/attachment.bin From eadubie at rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu Tue Jan 28 22:26:45 1997 From: eadubie at rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu (Eric A. Dubiel) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:32:10 2005 Subject: omniweb/lighthouse In-Reply-To: <9701280041.AA01522@omnigroup.com> Message-ID: <v03010d02af131803ba07@[138.87.201.11]> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/enriched Size: 1054 bytes Desc: not available Url : /mailman/archive/omniweb-l/attachments/19970129/e7fc49f1/attachment.bin From don at misckit.com Wed Jan 29 00:02:19 1997 From: don at misckit.com (Donald A. Yacktman) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:32:10 2005 Subject: Strange bug In-Reply-To: <v03010d02af131803ba07@[138.87.201.11]> References: <v03010d02af131803ba07@[138.87.201.11]> Message-ID: <9701290802.AA09965@misckit.com> This is really wierd--anyone have suggestions? The problem seems to be a strange interaction between the tag and tables. I'm trying to build a table that shows alliances (like the MS IE and Netscape logos, etc.). I want to lay out the logos approximately like this: [ASCII Art] +--------------------+--------------------+ | Microsoft | Netscape | +--------------------+--------------------+ | Penumbra Software | +-----------------------------------------+ So I used the code appended to the end of this message. The problem is that the code as written will display as a two row table with the bottom row as desired but the top row as a single cell with just the Microsoft logo centered in it. The Netscape one disappears entirely. Ack! So I used comments to isolate one bit of code at a time, and it turns out that everything displays as desired if I comment out the and tags. With them in, the one table cell disappears. Note that the Netscape cell will disappear no matter whether it is the left or the right hand cell--so it appears that the font tag throws off the art of OmniWeb that builds rows. Now, I know the font tag below uses a MS-only feature (the face= parameter) but that isn't the problem; if I remove it, the problem still persists. Actually, it appears a little wierder than that. To get it to display right I actually have to have several characters appear _before_ the comment ( Of course, just because it's in some specification doesn't mean that Netscape will follow the spec--and if Netscape doesn't follow the spec, neither can HTML writers. But, fortunately, for once Netscape does! If you try this piece of HTML in Netscape: <A HREF="a&b"> you'll find that Netscape actually translates this to "a&b", as it should. (Unfortunately, they still don't completely follow the spec, so unterminated entities are also translated, i.e. "&ere" becomes "&ere" in Netscape.) Quoting from someone who asked me about this directly a while ago: > The solution [which many developers already use] is to not render > entities when they are found in html tags. Why would you even want > to render them? My response: 1. To be compliant with the SGML (and thus HTML) standard, which says we must render entities within attribute values. 2. So that one can specify double quotes and other special characters within attribute values. For example, <img alt=""Howdy!"">. 3. One of the reasons entities were invented were to let you type characters for which you have no keys on the keyboard. E.g., so you could put a "a ∨ b" in an attribute value (like the alternate image text above), not just in a paragraph. > Furthermore, Josep's & was being used as a separator in a query > string, in which case it should NOT be encoded in any way [...] It is encoded in HTML to preserve its intended value as a query string. The decoded string is sent back to the server. I consider it very, very unfortunate that "&" was chosen as a separator for query strings (since it needs to be quoted within any SGML CDATA attribute), and can only conclude that that choice was made by a person unfamiliar with the SGML entity specification. Ken From dhowe at linklaters.com Mon Feb 3 09:39:15 1997 From: dhowe at linklaters.com (Denis Howe) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:32:10 2005 Subject: Ampersands in URLs Message-ID: <9702031740.AA08497@chmail> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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(I have the same problem here with a WWW OPAC, see eg http://www-opac.bib-bvb.de/bvb-bin/isuche.cgi?lang=deutsch&Aktion=Start&opacdb=BVB+Verbundkatalog&local=069, search for a book and go to the book description, this last step has the problems) As this works in Netscape, it seems a bit strange to me to turn off a Netscape compatibility to get it to work like in Netscape... Wolfgang From wolfgang.roeckelein at wiwi.uni-regensburg.de Tue Feb 4 01:38:49 1997 From: wolfgang.roeckelein at wiwi.uni-regensburg.de (Wolfgang =?iso-8859-1?Q?R=F6ckelein?=) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:32:10 2005 Subject: Ampersands in URLs In-Reply-To: <9702031716.AA07619@omnigroup.com> References: <9702031716.AA07619@omnigroup.com> Message-ID: <9702040938.AA02654@pcrw04.wiwi.uni-regensburg.de> Ken Case wrote: > I consider it very, very unfortunate that "&" was chosen as a separator > for query strings (since it needs to be quoted within any SGML CDATA > attribute), and can only conclude that that choice was made by a person > unfamiliar with the SGML entity specification. Yes, this is _the_ _main_ problem in the WWW world today, almost no one pays attention to any standards and specifications. For OmniWeb I see it like Ken, stay according to the specs (since you are one of the few who reads them, you can do that) and build compatibility switches if nothing else helps. But, on this specific problem here a few things are unclear to me. How comes that this works in Netscape? Is it because Netscape knows less &...; combinations and so is less likely to hit the problem? Wolfgang From jes at rednsi.com Tue Feb 4 01:56:48 1997 From: jes at rednsi.com (Josep Egea i Sanchez) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:32:10 2005 Subject: Apersands in URL's Message-ID: <9702040956.AA21864@rednsi.com> Hi, Thanks a lot to Ken Case for his extensive explanation about this subject. Having read his messages, all I can do is agree with him in the fact that '&' is a very bad election for parameter separation in URL's. For now, I have disabled Netscape compatibility and will begin to use the & style in my new code. Thank you very much to Denis Howe too, for writing aloud the same things that I though when I first read Ken's response. Thanks to him and to Ken's patience, most of us have learned something new. Now, If only someone could give me a clue on my Apache + Server Push problem... :-) Thanks a lot. Grettings. --- Josep Egea - jes@rednsi.com - NeXTMail & MIME OK Nexus Servicios de Informacion - Barcelona (Spain) Telf: + 34 3 285 00 70 - Fax: + 34 3 285 00 70 From kopacik at alpha.dcs.fmph.uniba.sk Tue Feb 4 03:26:05 1997 From: kopacik at alpha.dcs.fmph.uniba.sk (Ivan Kopacik) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:32:10 2005 Subject: OmniWeb & proxy Message-ID: <199702041126.AA24548@alpha.dcs.fmph.uniba.sk> Hi all, When I specify proxy server for OmniWeb, does it assume that proxy sits on port 80 ? What should I do to use proxy server on other port ? thanks -- Ivan Kopacik From Paul_Lynch at plsys.co.uk Tue Feb 4 04:41:19 1997 From: Paul_Lynch at plsys.co.uk (Paul Lynch) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:32:10 2005 Subject: OmniWeb & proxy Message-ID: <199702041241.MAA24252@nagshead.plsys.co.uk> > When I specify proxy server for OmniWeb, does it assume > that proxy sits on port 80 ? What should I do to use proxy server > on other port ? If you enter a proxy in the Preferences panel, it uses the default port for a URL, which is 80. To use a different port you specify it in the normal manner, e.g.: http://www-cache.demon.co.uk:8080/ Paul --- Paul Lynch (NeXTmail) paul@plsys.co.uk Tel: (01494)432422 P & L Systems Fax:

From richard at brainstorm.co.uk Thu Jan 2 02:24:34 1997 From: richard at brainstorm.co.uk (Richard Frith-Macdonald) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:32:07 2005 Subject: sticking to standards Message-ID: <9701021024.AA25208@next1> Please, please, PLEASE keep OmniWeb strict/make it stricter. I find all these changes to make it compatible with bugs in other systems very worrying. While I realise that it is good to be able to handle bad HTML in the same way that other browsers such as netscape do, I want to be able to see errors in my own documents before I make them publicly available! My request is really for a preference to make OmniWeb conform to the standards and to flag bits of HTML which are illegal/bad practice. Ideally I would also like to see the ability to generate a report about errors in a document which could be mailed to the webmaster of the offending site at the click of a button. Unless people complain to webmasters about their sites, the current poor standard will be very slow to improve. To be more realistic - could we please have a log of bad HTML to the console window? From mark at thoughtport.net Thu Jan 2 06:52:31 1997 From: mark at thoughtport.net (Mark Sargent) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:32:07 2005 Subject: sticking to standards In-Reply-To: <9701021024.AA25208@next1> References: <9701021024.AA25208@next1> Message-ID: <9701021452.AA00428@irene.thoughtport.net> Well said. Ditto. This becomes even more of an issue since the NeXT/Apple merger will bring some refreshing competition to the NeXTSTEP market. Netscape to name just one. A log of bad html to the console window, or even better option buttons to flag doubtful HTML code in the the browser window (optionally). OmniWeb might want to steer in a direction to become the web developers browser of choice by supporting optional display views by popular browsers (i.e. a view how Netscape Mac, Netscape Windows, Explorer Mac, Explorer Windows, and an emulation on how WebTV!). Now wouldn't that be something. I can envision one OmniWeb browser that is fast, convenient and tolerant toward bad HTML for the horizontal market and an OmniWeb Developer with invaluable options such as described above. Mark Sargent On Thu, 2 Jan 97, Richard Frith-Macdonald wrote: > Please, please, PLEASE keep OmniWeb strict/make it stricter. > > I find all these changes to make it compatible with bugs in other > systems very worrying. While I realize that it is good to be able > to handle bad HTML in the same way that other browsers such as > netscape do, I want to be able to see errors in my own documents > before I make them publicly available! > > My request is really for a preference to make OmniWeb conform to > the standards and to flag bits of HTML which are illegal/bad > practice. > > Ideally I would also like to see the ability to generate a report > about errors in a document which could be mailed to the webmaster > of the offending site at the click of a button. Unless people > complain to webmasters about their sites, the current poor standard > will be very slow to improve. > > To be more realistic - could we please have a log of bad HTML to > the console window? From wolfgang.roeckelein at wiwi.uni-regensburg.de Fri Jan 3 04:48:16 1997 From: wolfgang.roeckelein at wiwi.uni-regensburg.de (Wolfgang Rockelein) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:32:07 2005 Subject: broken ;-) In-Reply-To: <9612310000.AA00547@epoch.epoch.org> References: <9612310000.AA00547@epoch.epoch.org> Message-ID: <9701031248.AA00754@pcrw04.wiwi.uni-regensburg.de> Christian Kuhtz wrote: > On Mon, 30 Dec 96 15:02:59 -0800, Scott Anguish > wrote: > > Actually, I think that this has been discussed here before, and that > > SGI_SRC is invalid syntax... You can't have _ in the element name. > > > > SGI is in error here.. > > The SGI_SRC attribute is not the same as SRC, and should not be interpreted > as such. It is irrelevant whether it is legal according to official HTML > DTD to have underscores in attributes. > > This is a bug in the lexical parser. > > All tags (including attributes) not recognized by the parser are to be ^ insert "valid formed" here!!! What if I invent a tag "a>b", tell me how this should be ignored. And sure, this mess is SGI fault, not Omniwebs! But, it seems, that as Omniweb already has to cope with several Netscape anomalies, I think we have found another one to cope with.... > ignored and discarded according to the HTML specs. > > You can add any attribute to an HTML document, however, it may no longer > comply with the HTML DTD for a particular published spec. And as such, > OmniWeb's lexical parser is supposed to discard the SGI_SRC and not > substitute it for SRC. Note that is treats _ as a whitespace here (in compliance with the basic HTML/SGML spec and discards SGI, which leaves two SRC attributes.... This whole web business is in a serious mess, everybody defining their own standards and forcing everybody else to adopt to their shit.... Wolfgang From reichman at usc.edu Sat Jan 4 13:31:06 1997 From: reichman at usc.edu (Matthew N. Reichman) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:32:07 2005 Subject: Where is a good place to ask html questions? Message-ID: <199701042131.NAA00963@usc.edu> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/enriched Size: 161 bytes Desc: not available Url : /mailman/archive/omniweb-l/attachments/19970104/e44d1d03/attachment.bin From bud at bud.giant.net Sat Jan 4 13:47:54 1997 From: bud at bud.giant.net (Jeff Fields) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:32:07 2005 Subject: Where is a good place to ask html questions? References: <199701042131.NAA00963@usc.edu> Message-ID: <9701042147.AA07330@bud.giant.net.giant.net> Matt: Try the HTML> forum on Heinous BBS, telnet heinous.music.uiowa.edu, login: bbs. We have a pretty decent array of HTML-clueful folks there. Jeff Fields U of Iowa National Center for Voice and Speech Begin forwarded message: Date: Sat, 4 Jan 97 13:33:29 -0800 Reply-To: omniweb-l@omnigroup.com Sender: omniweb-l@omnigroup.com From: "Matthew N. Reichman" To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Where is a good place to ask html questions? --- Be well Matthew Reichman NeXTMAIL, SUN Mail & MIME welcome PGP key --> email w/ subject "request_PGP" From murphyt at websigns.com Sat Jan 4 17:44:45 1997 From: murphyt at websigns.com (Tadd Murphy) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:32:07 2005 Subject: Where is a good place to ask html questions? References: <9701042147.AA07330@bud.giant.net.giant.net> Message-ID: <32CF078D.7AA2@websigns.com> The HTML Writers Guild http://www.hwg.org/ -CyberTad From reichman at usc.edu Sat Jan 4 23:39:09 1997 From: reichman at usc.edu (Matthew N. Reichman) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:32:07 2005 Subject: Where is a good place to ask html questions? In-Reply-To: <9701042147.AA07330@bud.giant.net.giant.net> References: <9701042147.AA07330@bud.giant.net.giant.net> Message-ID: <199701050739.XAA00431@usc.edu> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/enriched Size: 450 bytes Desc: not available Url : /mailman/archive/omniweb-l/attachments/19970104/5971f5ed/attachment.bin From hamps at gussolomon.ius.cs.cmu.edu Mon Jan 6 07:09:03 1997 From: hamps at gussolomon.ius.cs.cmu.edu (John B. Hampshire II) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:32:07 2005 Subject: sticking to standards References: <9701021024.AA25208@next1> Message-ID: <9701061509.AA04383@gussolomon.ius.cs.cmu.edu> Great idea. -J From ckuhtz at paranet.com Mon Jan 6 12:17:00 1997 From: ckuhtz at paranet.com (Christian Kuhtz) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:32:07 2005 Subject: causes for LS_SAVE_FAIL_NOTICE ? Message-ID: <9701062017.AA00520@continuum.epoch.org> Hi guys: what are the possible causes for a LS_SAVE_FAIL_NOTICE? Is there a chance the message could be a little more descriptive? ;-) One of my machines here at home gets it whenever I attempt to save the Bookmarks.html in ~user/Library/OmniWeb/Bookmarks.html. The home is in NFS space and works fine otherwise. I can create and remove files in the at will as that particular user. Heck, the Bookmarks.html in that directory doesn't even exist. Only the Bookmarks function bails on me; everything else works like a charm. This is 2.5beta2 on NS3.3/m68k. Best regards, Chris From ckuhtz at paranet.com Mon Jan 6 12:22:16 1997 From: ckuhtz at paranet.com (Christian Kuhtz) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:32:07 2005 Subject: SOCKS4 support.. Message-ID: <9701062022.AA00582@continuum.epoch.org> Hello: it appears to me that the socks4.omniweb bundle does not have any support for what is usually configured via the SOCKS_NS environment variable, which points the SOCKS client at the omniscient name server. Ergo, your SOCKS client needs to have full resolver capabilities. Could we add the capability to set a SOCKS_NS in additon to SOCKS_SERVER to the socks4.omniweb bundle? Would it be possible to add code to the OmniWeb app to honor these environment variables like all well behaved SOCKS clients as well? ;-) Regards, Chris PS: Would it be possible to make the sources available for these .omniweb bundles? From ckuhtz at paranet.com Mon Jan 6 15:04:54 1997 From: ckuhtz at paranet.com (Christian Kuhtz) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:32:07 2005 Subject: rendering -- images skipped Message-ID: <9701062305.AA01081@continuum.epoch.org> Hi again: point your browsers at http://www.mitsucars.com/.. do it once with OmniWeb and then with something else. Notice something? ;-).. Some of the images are not being loaded. They just remain tiny squared frames. Noticable on the start page in the left frame/bar thing, upper left corner. Also, once you pick a vehicle, the first page in the lower right frame comes up fine. However, each time a new frame is loaded by clicking on the image map on top, OmniWeb skips the rendering of the image embedded in the frame. See the example.html below for a file that checks out Ok. However, when loaded within a frame OmniWeb doesn't render the image: [An attachment was originally included here] Well, that's all for now... Regards, Chris PS: Is omniweb-l NeXTmail safe? ;-) -------------- next part -------------- Skipped content of type multipart/mixed From dansources at nmaa.org Tue Jan 7 11:21:06 1997 From: dansources at nmaa.org (Dan Fahey) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:32:07 2005 Subject: Next Developers References: <9612301831.AA04851@epoch.epoch.org> Message-ID: <32D2A222.5C39@nmaa.org> Dear Christian: We are seeking a bunch of contract C++, Corba, Object Oriented and OpenStep Developers for a large and long telecommunications program located in the Washington, DC. area. We are wondering if you are interested. Our client is developing most of their systems in OpenStep and merging the legacy systems with C++ and CORBA compliance. There are Senior to Junior Developer positions with as little as one year NEXT or CORBA experience. Training is available for those who need to upgrade to OpenStep. If you are interested, please email us your resume. The best way to send is to Attach as a Word or Wordperfect file, or just Paste it to the Email. If your know any friends please pass this information to them. We have a excellent team of people and the customer is cool to work with. This project is hot and we need good people. Thank you for your time and patience. Sincerely, Dan Fahey From dansources at nmaa.org Tue Jan 7 11:21:35 1997 From: dansources at nmaa.org (Dan Fahey) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:32:07 2005 Subject: Next Developers References: <9701031248.AA00754@pcrw04.wiwi.uni-regensburg.de> Message-ID: <32D2A23F.B39@nmaa.org> Dear Wolfgang: We are seeking a bunch of contract C++, Corba, Object Oriented and OpenStep Developers for a large and long telecommunications program located in the Washington, DC. area. We are wondering if you are interested. Our client is developing most of their systems in OpenStep and merging the legacy systems with C++ and CORBA compliance. There are Senior to Junior Developer positions with as little as one year NEXT or CORBA experience. Training is available for those who need to upgrade to OpenStep. If you are interested, please email us your resume. The best way to send is to Attach as a Word or Wordperfect file, or just Paste it to the Email. If your know any friends please pass this information to them. We have a excellent team of people and the customer is cool to work with. This project is hot and we need good people. Thank you for your time and patience. Sincerely, Dan Fahey From dansources at nmaa.org Tue Jan 7 11:25:47 1997 From: dansources at nmaa.org (Dan Fahey) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:32:07 2005 Subject: Next Developers References: <199701042131.NAA00963@usc.edu> Message-ID: <32D2A33B.548E@nmaa.org> Dear Matthew: We are seeking a bunch of contract C++, Corba, Object Oriented and OpenStep Developers for a large and long telecommunications program located in the Washington, DC. area. We are wondering if you are interested. Our client is developing most of their systems in OpenStep and merging the legacy systems with C++ and CORBA compliance. There are Senior to Junior Developer positions with as little as one year NEXT or CORBA experience. Training is available for those who need to upgrade to OpenStep. If you are interested, please email us your resume. The best way to send is to Attach as a Word or Wordperfect file, or just Paste it to the Email. If your know any friends please pass this information to them. We have a excellent team of people and the customer is cool to work with. This project is hot and we need good people. Thank you for your time and patience. Sincerely, Dan Fahey From dansources at nmaa.org Tue Jan 7 11:26:27 1997 From: dansources at nmaa.org (Dan Fahey) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:32:07 2005 Subject: Next Developers References: <9701042147.AA07330@bud.giant.net.giant.net> Message-ID: <32D2A363.444@nmaa.org> Dear Jeff: We are seeking a bunch of contract C++, Corba, Object Oriented and OpenStep Developers for a large and long telecommunications program located in the Washington, DC. area. We are wondering if you are interested. Our client is developing most of their systems in OpenStep and merging the legacy systems with C++ and CORBA compliance. There are Senior to Junior Developer positions with as little as one year NEXT or CORBA experience. Training is available for those who need to upgrade to OpenStep. If you are interested, please email us your resume. The best way to send is to Attach as a Word or Wordperfect file, or just Paste it to the Email. If your know any friends please pass this information to them. We have a excellent team of people and the customer is cool to work with. This project is hot and we need good people. Thank you for your time and patience. Sincerely, Dan Fahey From dansources at nmaa.org Tue Jan 7 11:27:08 1997 From: dansources at nmaa.org (Dan Fahey) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:32:07 2005 Subject: NEXT Developers References: <32CF078D.7AA2@websigns.com> Message-ID: <32D2A38C.65F4@nmaa.org> Dear Tadd: We are seeking a bunch of contract C++, Corba, Object Oriented and OpenStep Developers for a large and long telecommunications program located in the Washington, DC. area. We are wondering if you are interested. Our client is developing most of their systems in OpenStep and merging the legacy systems with C++ and CORBA compliance. There are Senior to Junior Developer positions with as little as one year NEXT or CORBA experience. Training is available for those who need to upgrade to OpenStep. If you are interested, please email us your resume. The best way to send is to Attach as a Word or Wordperfect file, or just Paste it to the Email. If your know any friends please pass this information to them. We have a excellent team of people and the customer is cool to work with. This project is hot and we need good people. Thank you for your time and patience. Sincerely, Dan Fahey From dansources at nmaa.org Tue Jan 7 11:28:31 1997 From: dansources at nmaa.org (Dan Fahey) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:32:07 2005 Subject: NEXT Developer References: <9701061509.AA04383@gussolomon.ius.cs.cmu.edu> Message-ID: <32D2A3DF.4CB7@nmaa.org> Dear John: We are seeking a bunch of contract C++, Corba, Object Oriented and OpenStep Developers for a large and long telecommunications program located in the Washington, DC. area. We are wondering if you are interested. Our client is developing most of their systems in OpenStep and merging the legacy systems with C++ and CORBA compliance. There are Senior to Junior Developer positions with as little as one year NEXT or CORBA experience. Training is available for those who need to upgrade to OpenStep. If you are interested, please email us your resume. The best way to send is to Attach as a Word or Wordperfect file, or just Paste it to the Email. If your know any friends please pass this information to them. We have a excellent team of people and the customer is cool to work with. This project is hot and we need good people. Thank you for your time and patience. Sincerely, Dan Fahey From dansources at nmaa.org Tue Jan 7 11:28:03 1997 From: dansources at nmaa.org (Dan Fahey) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:32:07 2005 Subject: NEXT Developers References: <9701021024.AA25208@next1> Message-ID: <32D2A3C3.6AF1@nmaa.org> Dear Richard: We are seeking a bunch of contract C++, Corba, Object Oriented and OpenStep Developers for a large and long telecommunications program located in the Washington, DC. area. We are wondering if you are interested. Our client is developing most of their systems in OpenStep and merging the legacy systems with C++ and CORBA compliance. There are Senior to Junior Developer positions with as little as one year NEXT or CORBA experience. Training is available for those who need to upgrade to OpenStep. If you are interested, please email us your resume. The best way to send is to Attach as a Word or Wordperfect file, or just Paste it to the Email. If your know any friends please pass this information to them. We have a excellent team of people and the customer is cool to work with. This project is hot and we need good people. Thank you for your time and patience. Sincerely, Dan Fahey From welles at allele.com Tue Jan 7 09:19:48 1997 From: welles at allele.com (Robert Welles) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:32:07 2005 Subject: NEXT Developers References: <32D2A38C.65F4@nmaa.org> Message-ID: <9701071719.AA02678@allele.com> Can someone take this spammer of the list? --- Robert Y. Welles, (408)867-9567 welles@allele.com MIME ok. From cousens at Phibro.COM Tue Jan 7 09:24:19 1997 From: cousens at Phibro.COM (Rik Cousens) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:32:07 2005 Subject: Next Developers References: <32D2A23F.B39@nmaa.org> Message-ID: <9701071724.AA14885@mail0181.Phibro.COM> Dan, Please don't send these responses to the omniweb mailing list. Its really irritating to receive this kind of unsolicited "junk mail"....I receive enough of this stuff already.... Thanks, Rik Cousens From dansources at nmaa.org Tue Jan 7 13:51:04 1997 From: dansources at nmaa.org (Dan Fahey) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:32:07 2005 Subject: Next Developers References: <9701071724.AA14885@mail0181.Phibro.COM> Message-ID: <32D2C548.670B@nmaa.org> Sorry Rik: I guess I am learning the hard way. Best Regards Dan Fahey Rik Cousens wrote: > > Dan, > Please don't send these responses to the omniweb mailing list. Its really irritating to receive this kind of unsolicited "junk mail"....I receive enou > Thanks, > Rik Cousens > From wjs Tue Jan 7 16:33:49 1997 From: wjs (William Shipley) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:32:07 2005 Subject: SOCKS4 support.. In-Reply-To: <9701062022.AA00582@continuum.epoch.org> References: <9701062022.AA00582@continuum.epoch.org> Message-ID: <9701080033.AA05715@omnigroup.com> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/enriched Size: 254 bytes Desc: not available Url : /mailman/archive/omniweb-l/attachments/19970107/c5536f82/attachment.bin From wjs Tue Jan 7 16:34:35 1997 From: wjs (William Shipley) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:32:07 2005 Subject: causes for LS_SAVE_FAIL_NOTICE ? In-Reply-To: <9701062017.AA00520@continuum.epoch.org> References: <9701062017.AA00520@continuum.epoch.org> Message-ID: <9701080034.AA05752@omnigroup.com> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/enriched Size: 164 bytes Desc: not available Url : /mailman/archive/omniweb-l/attachments/19970107/d67debad/attachment.bin From kc Wed Jan 8 21:04:58 1997 From: kc (Ken Case) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:32:07 2005 Subject: causes for LS_SAVE_FAIL_NOTICE ? Message-ID: <9701090505.AA23000@omnigroup.com> That message (along with several similar not-correctly-localized messages) has been correctly localized for 2.5 beta 3. Ken From fozztexx at nvc.cc.ca.us Thu Jan 9 12:54:46 1997 From: fozztexx at nvc.cc.ca.us (Chris Osborn) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:32:07 2005 Subject: Frames don't work correctly under 2.5-beta2 Message-ID: I'm having problems with frames. It works fine under Netscape. For some reason when the TARGET points to a frame that isn't a parent or sibling of the current frame, but is a child of a different one (a cousin), OmniWeb creates a new window. To see it, go to and then click Edit Personal Info. Also, I've noticed that OmniWeb pukes on a Form that has a TARGETACTION attribute in it. It seems to think TARGETACTION is the same as ACTION. Try to submit the form that comes up when you click Edit Personal Info. --- Chris Osborn, Network Administrator Napa Valley College 707 253 3130 - Voice 2277 Napa-Vallejo Hwy. 707 253 3063 - Fax Napa, CA 94558 From michael at rumah.pc.my Mon Jan 13 02:46:42 1997 From: michael at rumah.pc.my (Michael Olan) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:32:07 2005 Subject: .snd's Message-ID: <9701131046.AA01081@rumah.rumah.pc.my> When using OW2.5.b2 and I load a Next .snd file, it fires up Opener.app, even tho there's no reason to open the file. Of course Opener then calls Sound.app or whatever else I have set as default. How can I get it to bypass Opener when there's no reason to unpack a file? Related to this, whatever happened to the realaudio excitement from awhile back? Finally, I see there is a Gnuscape Navigator for NS. Anyone tried it yet? Can it do applets? Mike --- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Dr. Michael Olan Email: michael@rumah.pc.my (NeXT Mail OK) Senior Lecturer - Computer Science michael@ppp.itm.my American Degree Program Fax: 6-03-5482329 Institut Teknologi MARA Section 17, Shah Alam, Malaysia PGP Key available --------------------------------------------------------------------- From otto at rumba.ece.orst.edu Mon Jan 13 12:17:49 1997 From: otto at rumba.ece.orst.edu (Otto A Gygax) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:32:07 2005 Subject: .snd's References: <9701131046.AA01081@rumah.rumah.pc.my> Message-ID: <9701132017.AA09720@rumba.ece.orst.edu> > From: Michael Olan > > When using OW2.5.b2 and I load a Next .snd file, it fires up > Opener.app, even tho there's no reason to open the file. Of course > Opener then calls Sound.app or whatever else I have set as default. > How can I get it to bypass Opener when there's no reason to unpack a > file? > Mike, you need to do a prep. step. Find a .snd file in the File Viewer. Select it. Then open the Tools -> Inspector -> Tools and click on the Sound editor/player and then click on the Default button. This will bypass Opener which tends to get in way of several other apps. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Otto Gygax, System Administrator/Instructor Oregon State University Electrical and Computer Engineering Internet E-mail: otto@ece.orst.edu (NeXTMail/MIME) ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From borrel at nasrallah.ludvigsen.hiof.no Mon Jan 13 13:06:25 1997 From: borrel at nasrallah.ludvigsen.hiof.no (Borre Ludvigsen) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:32:07 2005 Subject: Getting off the list In-Reply-To: <9701132017.AA09720@rumba.ece.orst.edu> Message-ID: how? - Barre Borre (aka Barre) Ludvigsen - http://www.hiof.no/~borrel finger: borrel@nasrallah.ludvigsen.hiof.no From ckuhtz at paranet.com Mon Jan 13 13:06:46 1997 From: ckuhtz at paranet.com (Christian Kuhtz) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:32:08 2005 Subject: .snd's In-Reply-To: <9701131046.AA01081@rumah.rumah.pc.my> References: <9701131046.AA01081@rumah.rumah.pc.my> Message-ID: <9701132106.AA01991@continuum.epoch.org> On Mon, 13 Jan 97 03:03:41 -0800, Michael Olan wrote: > Related to this, whatever happened to the realaudio excitement from > awhile back? Well, if there had been a real documentation for the OmniWeb 'plug-ins' (Hi KC *nudge* *nudge* *wink* *wink* ;-), I might have been able to whip up a plug-in based on the reference implementation for the RTSP protocol. > Finally, I see there is a Gnuscape Navigator for NS. Anyone tried it > yet? Can it do applets? Where did you see that piece of software? -- Christian Kuhtz kuhtz@ix.netcom.com Paranet, Inc. http://www.paranet.com/ BOYCOTT INTERNET SPAM http://www.vix.com/spam From luomat at peak.org Mon Jan 13 16:18:15 1997 From: luomat at peak.org (Timothy J Luoma) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:32:08 2005 Subject: explain "proxy" to me? Message-ID: <199701140018.QAA28640@PEAK.ORG> Ok, I admit it, I'm an idiot. I have no idea what a "proxy" is or how to use it (or how to test if my ISP has it set up). Can someone explain it very slowly, and how I can test my ISP to see if I can do it? (using OW, of course) Thanks TjL -- Tj Luoma (luomat@peak.org) / http://www.next.peak.org/~luomat Unix regular expression: (.*[^-a-zA-Z0-9_.])?) Windows regular expression: "Damn.... it crashed again" [If you have a NeXTStep web page, please email me the URL!] From scollarw at cadvision.com Mon Jan 13 19:48:44 1997 From: scollarw at cadvision.com (guzzibill) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:32:08 2005 Subject: explain "proxy" to me? In-Reply-To: <199701140018.QAA28640@PEAK.ORG> References: <199701140018.QAA28640@PEAK.ORG> Message-ID: <9701140348.AA00629@guzzibill.cadvision.com> Tjl asked about proxy in relation to omniweb. Tim: you will probably get more lucid and erudite(or technically correct responses) than this feeble attempt...but here goes. As I understand it a Proxy web server caches web pages that travel thru it as a result of requests from clients that are attached thru it to the web. A proxy server is "normally" right next door to you on the internet... ie at your service providers' location. Then if anoither client attached to the internet thru this proxy server requests the same URL before it gets cleared from the cache due to age or a limited size of the cache, then this cached page can be served up locally instead of making you travel (all the way) to the real home server of the web page. I am not clear how cookies are affected or handled in this case though. Perhaps the proxy server will insist you be in direct communication with the real server for the page when a cookie request or response is involved in the transaction. Proxy servers provide (almost) immediate responses for frequently requested web pages direct from cache (almost like you going back up the ladder chain of a set of pages by pressing the "back" arrow button on omniweb...as this gets info from your own "local" cached pages). As to your service provider, mine (cadvision.com) was proud to announce its proxy service for free! I suggest you ask yours if it does & how to get to it. -- Bill Scollard - Scollard Holdings Ltd. Computer Systems : Cradle-to-Grave Calgary, Alberta, Canada From daynem at excell.com Mon Jan 13 22:38:35 1997 From: daynem at excell.com (Dayne Miller) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:32:08 2005 Subject: explain "proxy" to me? In-Reply-To: <9701140348.AA00629@guzzibill.cadvision.com> References: <9701140348.AA00629@guzzibill.cadvision.com> Message-ID: <9701140638.AA00260@wolfenet.com> [explanation from Bill Scollard deleted] Note that most proxy servers provide caching features, as Bill explained, but that's only part of the equation. One of the primary reasons for a proxy (also sometimes known as a "bastion host") is to serve as a gate behind which an internal network can be hidden. For instance, several of the clients where I've implemented proxies have chosen to use "private" IP networks [defined in RFC 1918]. That way they can pretty much assign IPs any way they want internally without having to own their own address range; to the outside world, all requests seem to come from the bastion host. Proxies typically have "one foot in each world"; usually one NIC is connected to the Internet (and thus must have a "public" IP address) and the other is connected to the internal network and has an address in the internal range. Proxy servers can typically grant/deny access to specific Internet sites or protocols -- for instance, a proxy may be set up to only allow HTTP requests, and only to *.gov domains. Some proxies can prohibit requests by MIME type of the object requested (if done via HTTP). When a browser is configured to use a Proxy server (and most conform to the CERN proxy standard), it essentially bundles up the HTTP (or whatever) request and sends it off to the Proxy box, which then decides what to do with it. When a reply is received, it gets sent to the Proxy, which then sends it via the internal NIC to the requesting client. A proxy server by itself is usually one-half of a pretty decent firewall solution; the other half being, of course, a filtered router. ISPs may use proxies for their caching features; but the more typical use is by government agencies, businesses, etc., to keep private networks isolated from public networks. [Disclaimer: I've used several Proxy servers, but have the most experience with Microsoft's, for which I helped write the certification exam. It's a little feature poor, but very well architected. Netscape's offers more options and more granular control, but doesn't have as good of performance. There are several others available. Your mileage may vary.] Hope this helps- -Dayne Miller dayne@wolfenet.com [ASCII, MIME, NeXTMail] daynem@excell.com [ASCII, MIME, Exchange RTF] From luomat at nerc.com Tue Jan 14 04:26:52 1997 From: luomat at nerc.com (Timothy J Luoma) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:32:08 2005 Subject: here's an obscure bug for you (2.5) Message-ID: <199701141226.HAA08402@nerc.com> - do "command-shift-o" to Open URL - force-hide OmniWeb by command-double-clicking on any other running app's icon. - try to unhide OW with either LaunchBar or "unhide" from the commandline (from the open.pkg) It won't unhide via LaunchBar, and the commandline version will start up a NEW copy of OW (which it should only do if OW isn't running) and then tell you too many people are using OW ( >1 ) TjL -- Tj Luoma (luomat@peak.org) / http://www.next.peak.org/~luomat Unix regular expression: (.*[^-a-zA-Z0-9_.])?) Windows regular expression: "Damn.... it crashed again" [If you have a NeXTStep|OpenStep web page, email me the URL!] From michael at rumah.pc.my Tue Jan 14 04:06:25 1997 From: michael at rumah.pc.my (Michael Olan) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:32:08 2005 Subject: Gnuscape navigator Message-ID: <9701141206.AA01589@rumah.rumah.pc.my> I wrote: > I see there is a Gnuscape Navigator for NS. Anyone tried it > yet? Can it do applets? Several folks asked me where I found this. Its also known as the Emacs WWW Browser, and you can read about it at: http://www.cs.indiana.edu/elisp/w3/docs.html There is a NS3.3 version. Anyone who tries it, please report to us all? Mike --- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Dr. Michael Olan Email: michael@rumah.pc.my (NeXT Mail OK) Senior Lecturer - Computer Science michael@ppp.itm.my American Degree Program Fax: 6-03-5482329 Institut Teknologi MARA Section 17, Shah Alam, Malaysia PGP Key available --------------------------------------------------------------------- From dhowe at linklaters.com Tue Jan 14 05:46:20 1997 From: dhowe at linklaters.com (Denis Howe) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:32:08 2005 Subject: Emacs w3 (was Gnuscape navigator) Message-ID: <9701141346.AA26592@chmail> I've been using w3 under SunOS4.1 for a year or so and it's an excellent piece of software. I haven't tried it under NEXTSTEP though. Denis Howe Free On-Line Dictionary Of Computing http://wombat.doc.ic.ac.uk/ From vg at sjk.sms.fi Tue Jan 14 06:11:58 1997 From: vg at sjk.sms.fi (Vesa Gynther) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:32:08 2005 Subject: Emacs w3 (was Gnuscape navigator) In-Reply-To: <9701141346.AA26592@chmail> References: <9701141346.AA26592@chmail> Message-ID: <199701141412.QAA23724@sjk.sms.fi> > I've been using w3 under SunOS4.1 for a year or so and it's an > excellent piece of software. I haven't tried it under NEXTSTEP > though. Just a few comments : w3 is implemented in Emacs lisp and thus needs Emacs to run. Gnuscape term might be misleading : w3 bears no resemblance to Netscape (be it a good or bad thing, depends on your point of view ... ;-) I tested Gnuscape today and found out it doesn't e.g. display images or understand HTML tables. I'm not sure if it's possible to render bold and/or italic text using different fonts ? Didn't dig deep enough to see if it's possible or not. In short : I'd rather use OmniWeb on my NeXT if it was, say, 10 times faster ;) - ok, ok, guess it's a hardware issue, too ;) --- Vesa Gynther . Phone : +358 6 414 2650 Santa Monica Software . GSM : +358 400 261 474 Keskuskatu 32 I . Fax : +358 6 412 6070 SF-60100 SEINAJOKI, FINLAND . Email : vg@sms.fi From mjf9s at osi.lib.virginia.edu Tue Jan 14 12:10:44 1997 From: mjf9s at osi.lib.virginia.edu (Michael J. Furlough) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:32:08 2005 Subject: flushing cache Message-ID: <9701142010.AA01571@osi.lib.virginia.edu> Whenever I'm browsing with Omniweb, cached files seem to take up an unusual amount of disk space--I've watched my total disk space dive 7mb in a relatively short period of time. I've tried the "flush" command, but that doesn't seem to clear them; I can't find them in the file hieararchy anywhere. The only thing that does clear them is rebooting. There's got to be a less drastic solution--isn't there? Can I limit my cache file size? Thanks Mike Furlough From mkienenb at arsc.edu Tue Jan 14 13:34:14 1997 From: mkienenb at arsc.edu (Mike Kienenberger) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:32:08 2005 Subject: flushing cache In-Reply-To: <9701142010.AA01571@osi.lib.virginia.edu> References: <9701142010.AA01571@osi.lib.virginia.edu> Message-ID: <199701142132.MAA28017@arsc.edu> On Tue, 14 Jan 97, "Michael J. Furlough" wrote: > Whenever I'm browsing with Omniweb, cached files seem to take up an > unusual amount of disk space--I've watched my total disk space dive > 7mb in a relatively short period of time. I've tried the "flush" > command, but that doesn't seem to clear them; I can't find them in > the file hieararchy anywhere. The only thing that does clear them > is rebooting. There's got to be a less drastic solution--isn't > there? Can I limit my cache file size? That's because the caching is in memory. The loss of disk space is due to the growing of your swap file. /private/vm/* If you don't have at least 32 Mb of memory, buying more will definitely help. After that, it's generally not that big of an improvement. The swap file will never shrink (until you reboot -- it'd be programmically almost impossible to write swap-file shrinking algorithms into an operating system), but the space claimed there can be reused. Periodically quitting omniweb (and sometimes restarting the window server by logging out and typing "exit" at the login prompt) generally makes that space available again to the next program needing swap space. THere's really no limit to the swap space used. I've seen virtual memory allocations at times under Omniweb grow to a Gigabyte, and I've had my system allocate as much as 300Mb of swap space at times. As for setting limits, I believe there are timeout prefs in the preferences window for OW. But I've never used them. --- Mike Kienenberger Arctic Region Supercomputing Center Systems Analyst (907) 474-6842 mkienenb@arsc.edu http://www.arsc.edu From luomat at nerc.com Mon Jan 13 16:09:58 1997 From: luomat at nerc.com (Timothy J Luoma) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:32:08 2005 Subject: feature request: Preferences icons Message-ID: <199701142218.RAA16626@nerc.com> I would like to be able to rearrange the icons in OmniWeb's preferences like I can with Preferences.app (control-drag them into the order I want them). TjL -- Tj Luoma (luomat@peak.org) / http://www.next.peak.org/~luomat Unix regular expression: (.*[^-a-zA-Z0-9_.])?) Windows regular expression: "Damn.... it crashed again" [If you have a NeXTStep web page, please email me the URL!] From mark at thoughtport.net Tue Jan 14 16:09:11 1997 From: mark at thoughtport.net (Mark Sargent) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:32:08 2005 Subject: support for alpha in progressive jpegs Message-ID: <9701150009.AA00754@irene.thoughtport.net> I'd like to see OmniWeb support transparency or alpha progressive jpegs. There! Mark Sargent 10 Park Terrace East, No 6H New York, New York 10034 212.567.5327 Voice 212.567.7619 Facsimile msargent@thoughtport.net From michael at rumah.pc.my Tue Jan 14 16:32:32 1997 From: michael at rumah.pc.my (Michael Olan) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:32:08 2005 Subject: Emacs w3 (was Gnuscape navigator) Message-ID: <9701150032.AA11696@rumah.rumah.pc.my> Re: Emacs w3 navigator Here's the answer I got to that burning question: >Can it do applets?????? Not yet, but soon. From ckuhtz at paranet.com Tue Jan 14 18:12:45 1997 From: ckuhtz at paranet.com (Christian Kuhtz) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:32:08 2005 Subject: Emacs w3 (was Gnuscape navigator) In-Reply-To: <9701150032.AA11696@rumah.rumah.pc.my> References: <9701150032.AA11696@rumah.rumah.pc.my> Message-ID: <9701150212.AA00777@continuum.epoch.org> On Tue, 14 Jan 97 17:01:57 -0800, Michael Olan wrote: > Re: Emacs w3 navigator > > Here's the answer I got to that burning question: > > >Can it do applets?????? > > Not yet, but soon. Gee, let me guess. A Java VM is being built using elisp and integrated into the bloated Emacs code library. Oh goodie, maybe we should think of something else than "Eight megabytes and constant swapping" to accomodate the additional EmacsBloat(TM) I thought Gnuscape was its own standalone thing. One of these days someone will devise an OS with an Emacs GUI.. then again, maybe the underlaying OS is just that, an app launcher for Emacs. Sorry about the Emacs bitching... someone just told me today that they had integrated a network management tool a la OpenView functionality into Emacs and would like to use that to monitor and manage a client's network... *ouch* Regards, -- Christian Kuhtz kuhtz@ix.netcom.com Paranet, Inc. http://www.paranet.com/ BOYCOTT INTERNET SPAM http://www.vix.com/spam From eadubie at rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu Tue Jan 14 18:37:41 1997 From: eadubie at rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu (Eric A. Dubiel) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:32:08 2005 Subject: Emacs w3 (was Gnuscape navigator) In-Reply-To: <9701150212.AA00777@continuum.epoch.org> Message-ID: Anyone know where Emacs 19 for NEXTSTEP 3.3 is? Binary preferred... Thanks! Eric A. Dubiel; http://www.ilstu.edu/~eadubie mailto:eadubie@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu ytalk eadubie@138.87.201.11 MIME, SUN, NeXT, PGP Mail ok R&D---Instructional Technology Services----Illinois State University "NEXTSTEP is probably the most respected software on the planet" - Byte Magazine ALL VIEWS EXPRESSED REPRESENT MYSELF ONLY From ag at wildfire.com Tue Jan 14 18:47:20 1997 From: ag at wildfire.com (Keith Gabryelski) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:32:09 2005 Subject: Emacs w3 (was Gnuscape navigator) In-Reply-To: <9701150212.AA00777@continuum.epoch.org> References: <9701150212.AA00777@continuum.epoch.org> Message-ID: <9701150247.AA01381@four.wildfire.com> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/enriched Size: 380 bytes Desc: not available Url : /mailman/archive/omniweb-l/attachments/19970114/e6645a77/attachment.bin From edison at iquest.net Wed Jan 15 04:42:01 1997 From: edison at iquest.net (Robert W. Fuller) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:32:09 2005 Subject: flushing cache References: <199701142132.MAA28017@arsc.edu> Message-ID: <32DCD098.5D26@iquest.net> Mike Kienenberger wrote: > The swap file will never shrink (until you reboot -- it'd be programmically almost impossible to write > swap-file shrinking algorithms into an operating system), but the space claimed there can be reused. Actually it's not difficult to write a swapfile shrinking algorithm. It can be done by relocating the used pages in the swapfile to the beginning of the swapfile, then truncating the swapfile. The page table database must be updated to reflect the new location of the pages in the swapfile. For an example of an operating system that shrinks the swapfile, see OS/2. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /mailman/archive/omniweb-l/attachments/19970115/850b48e1/attachment.html From dhowe at linklaters.com Wed Jan 15 05:01:23 1997 From: dhowe at linklaters.com (Denis Howe) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:32:09 2005 Subject: flushing cache Message-ID: <9701151302.AA01107@chmail> Mike Kienenberger wrote: > The swap file will never shrink > ... > There's really no limit to the swap space used. So what are lowat and hiwat (see swaptab(5)): lowat=size Attempt to shrink the file down to the low water mark, size, when pag- ing resources are freed. If size equals zero, then the paging file does not shrink as resources are freed. hiwat=size Do not grow the paging file above the high water mark, size. If size is zero then the file will grow as large as needed. Warning: Mach will grind to an ungraceful halt if all your swap space is used up, so don't set hiwat too low if you've only one swap file. Denis Howe Linklaiters & Paines Free On-Line Dictionary Of Computing http://wombat.doc.ic.ac.uk/ From richard at seuss.math.wright.edu Wed Jan 15 05:04:01 1997 From: richard at seuss.math.wright.edu (Richard Mercer) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:32:09 2005 Subject: flushing cache References: <32DCD098.5D26@iquest.net> Message-ID: <9701151304.AA00259@seuss.math.wright.edu> This is the second email message I've received today written in HTML; the other was completely unrelated. What software is doing this? And whose mail reader interprets HTML? Richard Mercer -----------------------------------------------------------------

Mike Kienenberger wrote:

> The swap file will never shrink (until you reboot -- it'd be programmically almost impossible to write

> swap-file shrinking algorithms into an operating system), but the space claimed there can be reused.

Actually it's not difficult to write a swapfile shrinking algorithm. It can be done by relocating the used pages in the swapfile to the beginning of the swapfile, then truncating the swapfile. The page table database must be updated to reflect the new location of the pages in the swapfile.

For an example of an operating system that shrinks the swapfile, see OS/2.

From paul at griffin.plsys.co.uk Wed Jan 15 05:20:13 1997 From: paul at griffin.plsys.co.uk (Paul Lynch) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:32:09 2005 Subject: flushing cache Message-ID: <199701151320.NAA13484@nagshead.plsys.co.uk> > This is the second email message I've received today written in > HTML; the other was completely unrelated. What software is doing > this? And whose mail reader interprets HTML? It's a Netscape thing; the latest beta does it. It makes most stuff almost impossible to read unless you have Netscape. Someone on the WebObjects list does it all the time. I actually think Mail support for HTML as a custom MIME type is a neat idea, even if it is intensely annoying right now. Paul --- Paul Lynch (NeXTmail) paul@plsys.co.uk Tel: (01494)432422 P & L Systems Fax: (01494)432478 http://www.plsys.co.uk/~paul From paul at griffin.plsys.co.uk Wed Jan 15 05:22:28 1997 From: paul at griffin.plsys.co.uk (Paul Lynch) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:32:09 2005 Subject: flushing cache Message-ID: <199701151322.NAA13487@nagshead.plsys.co.uk> Denis Howe said: > Mike Kienenberger wrote: > > The swap file will never shrink > > ... > > There's really no limit to the swap space used. > > So what are lowat and hiwat (see swaptab(5)): An excellent way to crash your system (is the answer to your question). Don't use hiwat unless you plan to use multiple swap partitions. Paul --- Paul Lynch (NeXTmail) paul@plsys.co.uk Tel: (01494)432422 P & L Systems Fax: (01494)432478 http://www.plsys.co.uk/~paul From posey at posey.reg.olemiss.edu Wed Jan 15 05:25:26 1997 From: posey at posey.reg.olemiss.edu (Columbus H. Posey) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:32:09 2005 Subject: flushing cache In-Reply-To: <9701151304.AA00259@seuss.math.wright.edu> References: <9701151304.AA00259@seuss.math.wright.edu> Message-ID: <9701151325.AA00732@posey.reg.olemiss.edu> You wrote: > This is the second email message I've received today written in > HTML; the other was completely unrelated. What software is > doing this? And whose mail reader interprets HTML? > > Richard Mercer I received the same letter WITHOUT the html tags. Could it be adding them at your end? ******************************************************************* Columbus H. Posey Vox: 601-232-7226 Registrar Fax : 601-232-7803 University of Mississippi URL: http://www.olemiss.edu University, MS 38677 E-mail: posey@posey.reg.olemiss.edu ******************************************************************** From luomat at peak.org Wed Jan 15 06:12:01 1997 From: luomat at peak.org (Timothy J Luoma) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:32:09 2005 Subject: flushing cache In-Reply-To: <199701151320.NAA13484@nagshead.plsys.co.uk> References: <199701151320.NAA13484@nagshead.plsys.co.uk> Message-ID: <199701151412.GAA18665@PEAK.ORG> Responding To: Paul Lynch Original Date: Wed, 15 Jan 97 05:23:07 -0800 Message-ID: <199701151320.NAA13484@nagshead.plsys.co.uk> > > This is the second email message I've received today written in > > HTML; the other was completely unrelated. What software is doing > > this? And whose mail reader interprets HTML? > > It's a Netscape thing; the latest beta does it. It makes most > stuff almost impossible to read unless you have Netscape. Someone > on the WebObjects list does it all the time. Yeah, really nice MicroSoft like technique for lessening compatibility. Anyway, here's how to turn it off (if they will, which they should) "Edit->Preference->Mail&News" and turn off the "HTML Composition Window". Still it isn't as bad as the guy who was posting some sort of MIME to the USENET group that made his posts about 30 TIMES larger than they needed to be, whole told me that "ASCII is for girls". But then he did start posting in ASCII again, so that was a good experience TjL -- Tj Luoma (luomat@peak.org) / http://www.next.peak.org/~luomat Unix regular expression: (.*[^-a-zA-Z0-9_.])?) Windows regular expression: "Damn.... it crashed again" [If you have a web page about NeXTStep|OpenStep, email me the URL!] From luomat at peak.org Wed Jan 15 06:46:45 1997 From: luomat at peak.org (Timothy J Luoma) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:32:09 2005 Subject: OmniWeb 2.5beta: 777 bug? In-Reply-To: dfd98c1bce2ae1fb613926d5d5c1f4ff - References: dfd98c1bce2ae1fb613926d5d5c1f4ff - Message-ID: <199701151447.GAA20934@PEAK.ORG> Responding To: mmalcolm crawford Original Date: 14 Jan 1997 18:21:20 GMT Message-ID: dfd98c1bce2ae1fb613926d5d5c1f4ff - > I was using ~/anon_ftp as scratch and download directory, and it > was that which it kept setting to 777. I wonder what the difference > is...? You might try the OmniWeb discussion list: omniweb-l@omnigroup.com Someone there might know TjL -- Tj Luoma (luomat@peak.org) / http://www.next.peak.org/~luomat Unix regular expression: (.*[^-a-zA-Z0-9_.])?) Windows regular expression: "Damn.... it crashed again" [If you have a web page about NeXTStep|OpenStep, email me the URL!] From michael at rumah.pc.my Wed Jan 15 05:48:20 1997 From: michael at rumah.pc.my (Michael Olan) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:32:09 2005 Subject: html mail Message-ID: <9701151348.AA22450@rumah.rumah.pc.my> > This is the second email message I've received today written in HTML; > the other was completely unrelated. What software is doing this? And > whose mail reader interprets HTML? > > Richard Mercer Now that Richard mentions it, I've often wondered why I get tags in mail. Sometimes theres 2 copies in the same message... one with tags, one plain. Many mails have =20 end of line markers. Presumably this is all cominf from folks using Nextmail... so what gives???? Mike From jalon at clipper.ens.fr Wed Jan 15 09:19:37 1997 From: jalon at clipper.ens.fr (Julien Jalon) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:32:09 2005 Subject: html mail In-Reply-To: <9701151348.AA22450@rumah.rumah.pc.my>; from Michael Olan on Jan 15, 1997 07:05:17 -0800 References: <9701151348.AA22450@rumah.rumah.pc.my> Message-ID: Michael Olan writes: > Now that Richard mentions it, I've often wondered why I get tags in > mail. Sometimes theres 2 copies in the same message... one with tags, > one plain. Many mails have =20 end of line markers. Presumably this > is all cominf from folks using Nextmail... so what gives???? Nestcape 4.0 feature... which sucks ! --Julien From Jeff_Sickel at balt.BLaCKSMITH.com Wed Jan 15 10:47:12 1997 From: Jeff_Sickel at balt.BLaCKSMITH.com (Jeff Sickel) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:32:09 2005 Subject: html mail In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <199701151844.NAA13580@balt.BLaCKSMITH.com> On Wed, 15 Jan 97, jalon@clipper.ens.fr (Julien Jalon) wrote: >Michael Olan writes: >Now that Richard mentions it, I've often wondered why I get tags in >mail. Sometimes theres 2 copies in the same message... one with tags, >one plain. Many mails have =20 end of line markers. Presumably this >is all cominf from folks using Nextmail... so what gives???? >Nestcape 4.0 feature... which sucks ! > >--Julien > Yes, every time I sit at Netscape (or NT for that matter) it only takes a couple of mouse clicks before remembering yet again how bad it all is.... But the point is: On NEXTSTEP/OpenStep we have Mail.app And with Mail.app we have nice things like: Urlifier.bundle MessageQuoter.bundle Resend.bundle SunMessage.bundle ExtraCommands.bundle And even better (since the source is available): EnhanceMail.bundle So, there's an API to Mail.app (3.3 and 4.x) which means that if you really wanted HTML viewing, you could implement it... or just pass is of to a browser like OmniWeb... jas From luomat at peak.org Wed Jan 15 11:11:46 1997 From: luomat at peak.org (Timothy J Luoma) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:32:09 2005 Subject: html mail In-Reply-To: <9701151348.AA22450@rumah.rumah.pc.my> References: <9701151348.AA22450@rumah.rumah.pc.my> Message-ID: <199701151912.LAA24185@PEAK.ORG> Responding To: Michael Olan Original Date: Wed, 15 Jan 97 07:05:04 -0800 Message-ID: <9701151348.AA22450@rumah.rumah.pc.my> > Many mails have =20 end of line markers. Presumably this > is all cominf from folks using Nextmail... so what gives???? that =20 is from MIME quoted pritable (I believe). It has nothing to do with NeXTMail, as far as I know TjL -- Tj Luoma (luomat@peak.org) / http://www.next.peak.org/~luomat Unix regular expression: (.*[^-a-zA-Z0-9_.])?) Windows regular expression: "Damn.... it crashed again" [If you have a web page about NeXTStep|OpenStep, email me the URL!] From ingmar at aurora.in-berlin.de Wed Jan 15 06:13:23 1997 From: ingmar at aurora.in-berlin.de (Ingmar Camphausen) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:32:09 2005 Subject: flushing cache In-Reply-To: <9701151304.AA00259@seuss.math.wright.edu> References: <9701151304.AA00259@seuss.math.wright.edu> Message-ID: A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/enriched Size: 555 bytes Desc: not available Url : /mailman/archive/omniweb-l/attachments/19970115/063f5546/attachment.bin From dschuetz at access.digex.net Wed Jan 15 12:44:05 1997 From: dschuetz at access.digex.net (David Schuetz) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:32:09 2005 Subject: html mail Message-ID: <199701152047.PAA08876@access2.digex.net> > So, there's an API to Mail.app (3.3 and 4.x) which means that if you really > wanted HTML viewing, you could implement it... or just pass is of to a > browser like OmniWeb... As I recall, you can define your own message types (to add to the existing ASCII/NeXT/MIME selections), but I'm not sure if you could easily add an inline MIME viewer. Maybe if you added an HTML parser to read stuff out of the text stream, like URLifier does, but it'd make discussion lists like this rather difficult, since we'd have to add < tags whenever we wanted to speak HTML itself. ;-) At any event, I think it'd be cool to have it display it on the fly. Even to have it parse the html out of flat ASCII text, 'cause some people put tags and stuff in their .signatures....any volunteers? [*big* smiley here...] david. From Paul_Lynch at seer.demon.co.uk Wed Jan 15 12:59:53 1997 From: Paul_Lynch at seer.demon.co.uk (Paul Lynch) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:32:09 2005 Subject: html mail In-Reply-To: <199701151844.NAA13580@balt.BLaCKSMITH.com> References: <199701151844.NAA13580@balt.BLaCKSMITH.com> Message-ID: <9701152100.AA01263@seer.demon.co.uk> You wrote: > And with Mail.app we have nice things like: > Urlifier.bundle > MessageQuoter.bundle > Resend.bundle > SunMessage.bundle > ExtraCommands.bundle > And even better (since the source is available): > EnhanceMail.bundle > > So, there's an API to Mail.app (3.3 and 4.x) which means that if > you really wanted HTML viewing, you could implement it... or just > pass is of to a browser like OmniWeb... Actually, there isn't an API to NeXTmail. EnhanceMail (and all the rest, I assume) is a brilliant hack that depends upon either an intimate knowledge of the source code of Mail.app or a genius at using classdump, and a lot of time to experiment. Paul --- Paul Lynch (NeXTmail) http://www.plsys.co.uk/~paul From andrew Wed Jan 15 14:21:36 1997 From: andrew (Andrew Abernathy) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:32:09 2005 Subject: html mail In-Reply-To: <9701152100.AA01263@seer.demon.co.uk> References: <9701152100.AA01263@seer.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: <9701152221.AA25297@omnigroup.com> > Actually, there isn't an API to NeXTmail. EnhanceMail (and all the > rest, I assume) is a brilliant hack that depends upon either an > intimate knowledge of the source code of Mail.app or a genius at using > classdump, and a lot of time to experiment. Well, not really true - there IS an API, but NeXT never made it public. My guess, based on some other things I've heard, is that NeXT didn't want to tick off the companies making mail gateways for NeXTstep, which is also why NeXT never publically released the MSMail bundle they wrote. -andrew From paulw at revco.com Wed Jan 15 17:51:36 1997 From: paulw at revco.com (Paul Winkeler) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:32:09 2005 Subject: html mail References: <9701152221.AA25297@omnigroup.com> Message-ID: <9701160151.AA04605@boludar.revco.com> Folks The API for NeXTMail bundles, as mentioned, was never made public although it does exist (to some degree.) Lennart Lovstrand never quite was given the time to clean it up for full, general purpose use, and hence it has quite a few little things missing (can't control sequence of bundles other than alphabetic names is one nasty little problem; can't easily chain bundles; etc.) but that doesn't mean it isn't useful. To handle the HTML stuff I suppose one needs to see how it got packaged into message in the first place and as far as I can tell this was done using the notion of MimeAlternatives. So, to truly handle this stuff gracefully you'd have to first parse the MIME stuff and then pass the HTML alternative off to an HTML parser. Problem is that there already is a MIME bundle which itself does not have an API I'm aware of, so now what? You get the (fuzzy) picture... PaulW From luomat at peak.org Wed Jan 15 20:03:36 1997 From: luomat at peak.org (Timothy J Luoma) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:32:09 2005 Subject: Mail.app bundles (and a new one) (was Re: html mail) In-Reply-To: <9701152100.AA01263@seer.demon.co.uk> References: <9701152100.AA01263@seer.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: <199701160403.UAA05511@PEAK.ORG> Responding To: Paul Lynch Original Date: Wed, 15 Jan 97 13:02:17 -0800 Message-ID: <9701152100.AA01263@seer.demon.co.uk> > Actually, there isn't an API to NeXTmail. EnhanceMail (and all the > rest, I assume) is a brilliant hack that depends upon either an > intimate knowledge of the source code of Mail.app or a genius at > using classdump, and a lot of time to experiment. Note: there's a bundle that I just found out about at: http://www.next.com/~eseymour It is called Colorizer. FWIW. Anyway, with the exception of EnhanceMail, all the bundles have been made by people with access to the source code. EnhanceMail is an incredible bit of programming mastery, done with access only to a stripped binary, placing different hacks and hooks into it. I think it's rather amazing. Anyway, there's no real likelihood at there being an easy way to deal with html-mail. Note: you can find links to all the bundles (except that new one I haven't added yet) at: http://www.peak.org/~luomat/next/mail-bundles.html TjL -- Tj Luoma (luomat@peak.org) / http://www.next.peak.org/~luomat Unix regular expression: (.*[^-a-zA-Z0-9_.])?) Windows regular expression: "Damn.... it crashed again" [If you have a web page about NeXTStep|OpenStep, email me the URL!] From sanguish at digifix.com Wed Jan 15 22:14:11 1997 From: sanguish at digifix.com (Scott Anguish) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:32:09 2005 Subject: A Table Parsing Bug Message-ID: <199701160614.BAA00461@digifix.digifix.com> I've found a case where a table isn't imaging properly. The last column is dropping off (actually, it probably has a 1 pixel width or something), and the vertical spacing in all the cells is hosed as a result. If I remove the WIDTH="100%" tag from the Table, it works, but its not 100% wide.. A viewable HTML file is at http://www.digifix.com/StepwiseEOF/BrokenTable.html From dschuetz at access.digex.net Thu Jan 16 04:38:42 1997 From: dschuetz at access.digex.net (David Schuetz) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:32:09 2005 Subject: Mail.app bundles (and a new one) (was Re: html mail) Message-ID: <199701161242.HAA04038@access2.digex.net> > Note: there's a bundle that I just found out about at: > > http://www.next.com/~eseymour > > It is called Colorizer. FWIW. Yes! It's about time he released that! ;-) david. From fischer at fokus.gmd.de Thu Jan 16 06:51:16 1997 From: fischer at fokus.gmd.de (fischer@fokus.gmd.de) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:32:09 2005 Subject: IMG ... SGI_SRC Error Message-ID: <9701161253.AA03723@omnigroup.com> Hi, OmniWeb (2.1.4) has new problems with html-Files, which are created by SGI CosmoCreate. Something like:

References: <199701161242.HAA04038@access2.digex.net> Message-ID: <199701161334.FAA10319@PEAK.ORG> Responding To: "David Schuetz" Original Date: Thu, 16 Jan 97 04:44:10 -0800 Message-ID: <199701161242.HAA04038@access2.digex.net> > Yes! It's about time he released that! "released" may be an overstatement, since I don't know of any way to find it unless someone tells you the URL to his homepage ;-) It looks neat, but since I'm on a mono machine... :-( TjL -- Tj Luoma (luomat@peak.org) / http://www.next.peak.org/~luomat Unix regular expression: (.*[^-a-zA-Z0-9_.])?) Windows regular expression: "Damn.... it crashed again" [If you have a web page about NeXTStep|OpenStep, email me the URL!] From tony at llc.net Thu Jan 16 06:31:47 1997 From: tony at llc.net (Tony Becker) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:32:09 2005 Subject: IMG ... SGI_SRC Error References: <9701161253.AA03723@omnigroup.com> Message-ID: <32DE3BD3.72B3@llc.net> fischer@fokus.gmd.de wrote: > > Hi, > > OmniWeb (2.1.4) has new problems with html-Files, which are created > by SGI CosmoCreate. Something like: >

will fail, if SGI_SRC points to a non-existing file. I think that > this field has to be ignored! wasn't this the 'SGI_SRC' to 'SGI SRC' mapping problem, so OW uses the second SRC= line it sees > > Robert -- Tony Becker Lightning Link Communications, 621 Lakeview Rd, Suite B Clearwater, Florida, 34616, (813) 562-0041 voice. From dschuetz at access.digex.net Thu Jan 16 10:35:23 1997 From: dschuetz at access.digex.net (David Schuetz) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:32:09 2005 Subject: Mail.app bundles (and a new one) (was Re: html mail) Message-ID: <199701161838.NAA14767@access2.digex.net> > "released" may be an overstatement, since I don't know of any way > to find it unless someone tells you the URL to his homepage ;-) How'd you find it? Or did Eric tell you about it himself? > It looks neat, but since I'm on a mono machine... :-( Well, use dark gray and white overlapping arrows on either side, that gives you 16 different variations you can use, and maybe use white background for threaded messages (so they'll only highlight when you're reading them, anyway). One thing that's kinda nice--looking for "Received by.*RR" to flag read receipts BEFORE you click on 'em. david. From dschuetz at access.digex.net Thu Jan 16 11:01:57 1997 From: dschuetz at access.digex.net (David Schuetz) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:32:09 2005 Subject: Mail.app bundles (and a new one) (was Re: html mail) Message-ID: <199701161905.OAA15622@access2.digex.net> Just a moment ago, I thoughtlessly wrote: > Well, use dark gray and white overlapping arrows on either side, that gives > you 16 different variations you can use, and maybe use white background for > threaded messages (so they'll only highlight when you're reading them, > anyway). Nevermind this. I'm an idiot. You can't do it quite this way--you will only end up with four different criteria you can match on, there are just 16 combinations of those criteria. My apologies.... d. OB OmniWeb Content -- I still haven't quite figured out why some pages demand to be reloaded everytime I back-arrow into them. Very annoying, if you ask me. I suspect they're just set out with an automatic expiry time, but haven't looked too closely (it was driving me crazy last night with my excite "homepage.") From luomat at peak.org Thu Jan 16 11:07:17 1997 From: luomat at peak.org (Timothy J Luoma) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:32:09 2005 Subject: Mail.app bundles (and a new one) (was Re: html mail) In-Reply-To: <199701161838.NAA14767@access2.digex.net> References: <199701161838.NAA14767@access2.digex.net> Message-ID: <199701161907.LAA17977@PEAK.ORG> Responding To: "David Schuetz" Original Date: Thu, 16 Jan 97 10:41:17 -0800 Message-ID: <199701161838.NAA14767@access2.digex.net> > How'd you find it? Or did Eric tell you about it himself? someone emailed me about it. > > It looks neat, but since I'm on a mono machine... :-( > > Well, use dark gray and white overlapping arrows on either side, > that gives you 16 different variations you can use, and maybe use > white background for threaded messages (so they'll only highlight > when you're reading them, anyway). > > One thing that's kinda nice--looking for "Received by.*RR" to flag > read receipts BEFORE you click on 'em. I just use dwrite Mail ReadReceiptOption ASK which gives me a nice panel asking me whether or not I want to send a read receipt to the person. TjL ps -- this is a little offtopic, followups to private email please -- Tj Luoma (luomat@peak.org) / http://www.next.peak.org/~luomat Unix regular expression: (.*[^-a-zA-Z0-9_.])?) Windows regular expression: "Damn.... it crashed again" [If you have a web page about NeXTStep|OpenStep, email me the URL!] From Jeff_Sickel at sickel.com Fri Jan 17 02:53:58 1997 From: Jeff_Sickel at sickel.com (Jeffrey A. Sickel) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:32:09 2005 Subject: Problem with bringing over PDF In-Reply-To: <199701161907.LAA17977@PEAK.ORG> References: <199701161907.LAA17977@PEAK.ORG> Message-ID: <9701171055.AA03184@sickel.com> Okay here's the problem... I realized on the IRS ftp site that I would always get "Can't find crossreference section" errors when trying to use OmniWeb to pull the PDF file down. This error wouldn't happen for all PDF files, but very consistently for PDF files distilled with the Windows Distiller (read the PDF file if you need to to find this out, of course the JavaSoft JDK docs were distilled on Solaris, but well get to that). BUT, using good old ftp wouldn't be a problem. Now I'm wondering if it's because I'm going through a proxy server that is configured with: AddType .pdf application/pdf 8bit 1.0 and it's doing that nice automatic CR/LF to LF conversion before the file is even getting to OmniWeb... OR, is OmniWeb doing something funny with the application/pdf? All I know is... I'd like to just be able to use OmniWeb for those ftp sessions as well... jas From michael at rumah.pc.my Sat Jan 18 22:27:40 1997 From: michael at rumah.pc.my (Michael Olan) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:32:09 2005 Subject: .snd's Message-ID: <9701190627.AA10874@rumah.rumah.pc.my> > > When using OW2.5.b2 and I load a Next .snd file, it fires up > > Opener.app, even tho there's no reason to open the file. Of course > > Opener then calls Sound.app or whatever else I have set as default. > > How can I get it to bypass Opener when there's no reason to unpack a > > file? > > > > Mike, you need to do a prep. step. Find a .snd file in the File > Viewer. Select it. Then open the Tools -> Inspector -> Tools and > click on the Sound editor/player and then click on the Default > button. This will bypass Opener which tends to get in way of several other apps. > Nope, the Default was already set, and Opener still grabs it. I think the problem is that OW does not recognize .snd files, and so takes a stab at Opener knowing what to do with it. So its OW that needs to be told what to do w/ .snd's... but how? ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From kc Sun Jan 19 11:48:55 1997 From: kc (Ken Case) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:32:09 2005 Subject: .snd's Message-ID: <9701191948.AA02525@omnigroup.com> > I think the problem is that OW does not recognize .snd files, and > so takes a stab at Opener knowing what to do with it. So its OW > that needs to be told what to do w/ .snd's... but how? OmniWeb never messages a specific app to open a file, it just hands files off to the Workspace and tells it to open the files. Thus, OmniWeb doesn't have any configuration on how to open different file types: instead, one configures Workspace to open them appropriately. What's probably happening in this case is that the file is being sent as audio/basic (remember, the web uses MIME content types: file extensions are irrelevant, since the file could be coming from an operating system--MacOS, say--where that extension has a completely different interpretation). OmniWeb saves audio/basic files as .au (since the audio/basic content type can have sampling rates which aren't allowed in NeXT .snd files). Presumably, you have .au files set to open in Opener.app. The most robust solution is to configure .au files to open in an application (such as Resound, GISO, or Soundworks) which knows how to resample audio files so that they can be played correctly under NEXTSTEP. However, if you just want OmniWeb to assume that all audio/basic files are sampled with rates valid for NeXT .snd files, you can edit OmniWeb.app/Omni.dictionary and change the line "audio/basic" = ("au", "snd"); to "audio/basic" = ("snd", "au"); Hope this helps! Ken From dschuetz at access.digex.net Tue Jan 21 10:46:39 1997 From: dschuetz at access.digex.net (David Schuetz) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:32:09 2005 Subject: Cache setting; HTML rendering service Message-ID: <199701211850.NAA10219@access4.digex.net> I mentioned last week that I was still having problems with page refresh, where even two or three page old pages would get refetched whenever I back-arrowed to them. I discovered yesterday that I had "NevertExpire" in the cache entry for SGML data--note the extra "t" in there. I changed that back to 600, but didn't have a chance to try it out 'cause my ISP went Tango Uniform about that same time. Question: What are the valid responses for that field? Shouldn't there be some checking for stupid typos like mine? And what are the cache time units (assume minutes?) [I'm sure this is all in the help panel or somewhere, but I'm at work and not in front of a NeXT... *sigh*] Also, the talk last week about HTML text in mail makes me wonder if maybe OmniWeb could provide a HTML translation service, just like OmniImage does? An app could request translation of the HTML document, and get an RTFD stream returned with all the rendering and stuff already done. Obvioulsy won't work for frames, and tables might not be all that easily viewable (would probably just be returned as tab-separated data), but you get the picture. Then it'd just be up to the app to make the request (which, of course, Mail doesn't do, but that would be a lot easier to hack in than a full-blown HTML engine). Any thoughts? david. From aspinall at coffee Wed Jan 22 15:37:57 1997 From: aspinall at coffee (David Aspinall) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:32:09 2005 Subject: OmniWeb 2.1 OmniDocExtensions Message-ID: <9701222338.AA01168@coffee.gects.ge.com> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/x-nextmail Size: 15429 bytes Desc: not available Url : /mailman/archive/omniweb-l/attachments/19970122/c3cd1293/attachment.bin From eadubie at rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu Wed Jan 22 20:10:01 1997 From: eadubie at rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu (Eric A. Dubiel) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:32:09 2005 Subject: NEWS: Objective-C and Ada95 from Tenon Message-ID: FYI: Useful for future OPENSTEP, Windows, UNIX, and Mac OS projects... This press release is from: Phone: 805-963-6983 FAX: 805-962-8202 Contact: Anita Holmgren Internet: anita@tenon.com Objective-C and Ada95 Now Available for Power Mac MachTen CodeBuilder - An affordable software development tool for the next generation MacOS Santa Barbara, CA, January 7, 1997. Tenon Intersystems has extended MachTen - its highly-regarded UNIX system for Apple computers - to include the Objective-C and the GNAT-Ada 95 tool suite. MachTen CodeBuilder, a new offering from Tenon being demonstrated this week at Macworld in San Francisco, includes C, C++, Objective-C, Java, Ada95 and Fortran77. CodeBuilder can be used in combination with standard Macintosh editors and compilers to develop Macintosh applications, X applications, and UNIX applications. MachTen CodeBuilder extends MacOS with a family of dynamically-linked, shared libraries that, like a Java virtual machine, create a UNIX virtual machine-based execution environment with pre-emptive multi-tasking. Tenon's MachTen UNIX is based on the same Carnegie Mellon Mach and BSD UNIX foundation as Steve Jobs' NeXT OS, making CodeBuilder a good platform for porting and building next-generation MacOS applications. The native PowerPC (PPC) package contains a complete UNIX software development environment with a source-level debugger and C, C++, Objective-C, Ada95 and Fortran77 compilers all generating native PPC code. Because CodeBuilder creates binary PowerPC Executable Format (PEF) files that can integrate directly with other Macintosh development tools, software developers can combine Macintosh debuggers and compilers with the CodeBuilder tool suite to get the best of both the Macintosh and UNIX worlds. CodeBuilder is a powerful tool for porting existing UNIX applications or developing new, advanced applications on Power Macs and Power Mac clones. This unique toolset gives developers the ability to create an application with a single source base not only for Power Macs under a native Apple operating system, but also for Silicon Graphics, SUN, NeXT, or HP environments. CodeBuilder gives Apple developers the freedom to take advantage of time-tested UNIX development tools without giving up the features of their favorite Macintosh editors or compilers. Tenon's new development tool suite includes a native UNIX fast file system. CodeBuilder has two file systems - a UNIX file system which extends the Macintosh file system with file name case sensitivity, and this new native fast file system which removes the Macintosh file name length limitations and sizing restrictions. Tenon's fast file system can be contained within a single Macintosh file, making disk partitioning unnecessary. Depending upon the application, Tenon's new file system can result in a two- to ten-fold performance improvement. This performance advantage, coupled with the latest high-performance Power Macs, creates a new standard in desktop computing. CodeBuilder supports a complete GNU software development environment. The GNU Ada95 and Objective-C compiler were brought to Power Macs by leveraging Tenon's existing gcc development tool suite. The Ada95 environment includes up-to-date tools for object-oriented programming and the core Ada essential tools suite from the Free Software Foundation. The Ada compiler includes a tasking run-time environment, an interface to the MacOS threads library, and Ada language bindings to the Macintosh Toolbox (API). Objective-C, an object-oriented extension to the C language, is the NeXTStep development language. The GNUStep OpenStep base class library is included on the CodeBuilder CD as a source code compilation example. GNUStep is a widely-available implementation of OpenStep, the NeXT distributed application run time environment. The fact that CodeBuilder's Objective-C is able to build and execute large sections of the GNUStep library demonstrates the strength of CodeBuilder's Objective-C implementation. A future release of CodeBuilder will include the complete GNUStep environment. CodeBuilder's Kaffe (a development & execution environment for Java bytecode), scripting tools (such as Perl, MacPerl, tck/tk and expect) and popular Macintosh and UNIX text editors (such as BBEdit Lite, Alpha, and emacs) make CodeBuilder an ideal internet programming and Web developer tool. CodeBuilder includes a high-performance X11R6 24-bit color X server as well as an X client application development environment. The current release supports AfterStep, a NeXT-style X desktop. Options for OpenGL and Motif 2.0 will be offered by the end of the first quarter of '97, further strengthening CodeBuilder's X development capabilities. The software comes on CD with BSD UNIX source code, on-line documentation in both HTML and Adobe Acrobat PDF formats, and an introductory price of $99. Tenon has been shipping UNIX, X , and networking software for the Macintosh since 1991. In 1994 MachTen was selected by UNIX World's Open Computing magazine as "A Best Product of the Year". Eric A. Dubiel; http://www.ilstu.edu/~eadubie mailto:eadubie@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu ytalk eadubie@138.87.201.11 MIME, SUN, NeXT, PGP Mail ok R&D---Instructional Technology Services----Illinois State University "NEXTSTEP is probably the most respected software on the planet" - Byte Magazine ALL VIEWS EXPRESSED REPRESENT MYSELF ONLY From reichman at usc.edu Wed Jan 22 21:07:20 1997 From: reichman at usc.edu (Matthew N. Reichman) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:32:09 2005 Subject: David Aspinall's OmniDocExtensions Bundle Message-ID: <199701230507.VAA00819@usc.edu> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/enriched Size: 354 bytes Desc: not available Url : /mailman/archive/omniweb-l/attachments/19970122/5a38e832/attachment.bin From don at misckit.com Wed Jan 22 21:59:15 1997 From: don at misckit.com (Donald A. Yacktman) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:32:09 2005 Subject: David Aspinall's OmniDocExtensions Bundle In-Reply-To: <199701230507.VAA00819@usc.edu> References: <199701230507.VAA00819@usc.edu> Message-ID: <9701230559.AA19399@misckit.com> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/x-nextmail Size: 12696 bytes Desc: not available Url : /mailman/archive/omniweb-l/attachments/19970122/fc69f132/attachment.bin From luomat at nerc.com Wed Jan 22 22:05:13 1997 From: luomat at nerc.com (Timothy J Luoma) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:32:09 2005 Subject: Frames pain / bug Message-ID: <199701230605.BAA14411@nerc.com> I've just finished renovating my NeXT web page to use Frames. I've noticed something I think is a huge PITB (Pain in the Butt), relating to "grabbing" the URL listing. Let me try to explain. There's that grey space where the current URL is displayed, which I often use to copy the URL of the site I am currently on to somewhere else. However, if I click on a "framed" window, the full URL appears in the grey box, BUT when I go to click on it, it will revert to the shorter path. eg: goto http://www.peak.org/~luomat/next/ (my main frames page) from there select (from the TOC along the side) "CD-ROMs" and the CD-ROMs page will come up, then select the "Peanuts" CD and you will see the relevant info for the Peanuts CD. If you click on the main "frame" (which is displaying the Peanuts info) and look at the grey box with the URL, you will see http://www.peak.org/~luomat/next/Peanuts.html but if you try to click on the grey box, it goes to http://www.peak.org/~luomat/next/ This is a really annoying bug (in my book). Is anyone out there willing to argue this as a feature? Thanks TjL -- Tj Luoma (luomat@peak.org) If you have a web page about NeXTStep|OpenStep, email me the URL! From wjs Thu Jan 23 01:29:59 1997 From: wjs (William Shipley) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:32:09 2005 Subject: Frames pain / bug In-Reply-To: <199701230605.BAA14411@nerc.com> References: <199701230605.BAA14411@nerc.com> Message-ID: <9701230930.AA23544@omnigroup.com> > Is anyone out there willing to argue this as a feature? Can I avoid debate and admit that it's a bug? Should be if you click in the TOP field the URL reverts, but in the bottom one it should stay the same. -Wil From luomat at nerc.com Thu Jan 23 06:24:40 1997 From: luomat at nerc.com (Timothy J Luoma) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:32:09 2005 Subject: Frames pain / bug In-Reply-To: <9701230930.AA23544@omnigroup.com> References: <9701230930.AA23544@omnigroup.com> Message-ID: <199701231424.JAA09677@nerc.com> Responding To: William Shipley Original Date: Thu, 23 Jan 97 01:32:07 -0800 Message-ID: <9701230930.AA23544@omnigroup.com> > Can I avoid debate and admit that it's a bug? sure! > Should be if you click in the TOP field the URL reverts, but in > the bottom one it should stay the same. ^^^^^^^^^^ I'm not sure what you mean by "bottom one" TjL -- Tj Luoma (luomat@peak.org) If you have a web page about NeXTStep|OpenStep, email me the URL! From luomat at nerc.com Thu Jan 23 06:41:14 1997 From: luomat at nerc.com (Timothy J Luoma) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:32:09 2005 Subject: David Aspinall's OmniDocExtensions Bundle In-Reply-To: <9701230559.AA19399@misckit.com> References: <9701230559.AA19399@misckit.com> Message-ID: <199701231441.JAA09889@nerc.com> [ You know, just last night I put started listing the URLs at the bottom of my web pages in case people wanted to d/l or print them. I guess I don't have to do that any more!] Here's an interesting tidbit (bug?) goto http://www.peak.org/~luomat/next without selecting any of the frames, choose "print" (I tested this with print then "preview"). If none of the frames are selected 1) the bundle doesn't seem to insert the date/url/etc 2) the page will have about 3" margin at the top and bottom of the page If one of the frames is selected 1) the bundle works great (thanks!) 2) the print/preview shows a full page Comments? TjL -- Tj Luoma (luomat@peak.org) If you have a web page about NeXTStep|OpenStep, email me the URL! From luomat at nerc.com Thu Jan 23 08:40:30 1997 From: luomat at nerc.com (Timothy J Luoma) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:32:09 2005 Subject: frames bug? ignored? Message-ID: <199701231640.LAA11396@nerc.com> It seems that the <title> is ignored when loading a page into the main frame off the TOC page at my site (http://www.peak.org/~luomat/next). The title never changes. Is this a known bug or is it standard behavior? TjL, still trying to learn frames. -- Tj Luoma (luomat@peak.org) If you have a web page about NeXTStep|OpenStep, email me the URL! From reichman at usc.edu Thu Jan 23 14:20:14 1997 From: reichman at usc.edu (Matthew N. Reichman) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:32:09 2005 Subject: David Aspinall's OmniDocExtensions Bundle In-Reply-To: <9701230559.AA19399@misckit.com> References: <9701230559.AA19399@misckit.com> Message-ID: <199701232220.OAA00394@usc.edu> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: not available Type: text/enriched Size: 209 bytes Desc: not available Url : /mailman/archive/omniweb-l/attachments/19970123/f1070bfa/attachment.bin From milov at fingers.acs.uwlax.edu Thu Jan 23 15:33:06 1997 From: milov at fingers.acs.uwlax.edu (Milo Velimirovic - 608/785-8030) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:32:09 2005 Subject: unfucking the script References: <199701232220.OAA00394@usc.edu> Message-ID: <9701232333.AA15021@fingers.acs.uwlax.edu> Lance, look for the code where it unwebify's the stuff coming in and changes + to spaces... it may do it to visitor names too. --Milo From Jeff_Sickel at sickel.com Thu Jan 23 23:48:52 1997 From: Jeff_Sickel at sickel.com (Jeffrey A. Sickel) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:32:09 2005 Subject: David Aspinall's OmniDocExtensions Bundle In-Reply-To: <199701231441.JAA09889@nerc.com> References: <199701231441.JAA09889@nerc.com> Message-ID: <9701240755.AA08732@sickel.com> On Thu, 23 Jan 97, Timothy J Luoma chose to write: > > without selecting any of the frames, choose "print" (I tested this > with print then "preview"). > > If none of the frames are selected > 1) the bundle doesn't seem to insert the date/url/etc > 2) the page will have about 3" margin at the top and bottom > of the page > I've noticed that the printing has that ~3" top and bottom margin no matter what is done for printing. Any answers to why this happens? jas From Jeff_Sickel at sickel.com Fri Jan 24 04:37:19 1997 From: Jeff_Sickel at sickel.com (Jeffrey A. Sickel) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:32:09 2005 Subject: David Aspinall's OmniDocExtensions Bundle In-Reply-To: <199701231640.LAA11396@nerc.com> References: <199701231640.LAA11396@nerc.com> Message-ID: <9701241244.AA08921@sickel.com> Here's a little extension to David's OmniDocExtensions bundle. I probably shouldn't have renamed it since that could cause name space problems (unless Omni's got a safer bundle loader than most .. :), but it was easier to throw together a ripped off icon for PrintRIP. Part of the reason I took a look into the source, was TjL's post of the bug while printing with frames. Well, it's still there (the 3" one at least), but that is also a problem for any printing from OmniWeb (except the source view). I also wanted to figure out the Preferences additions. Well, that took longer than adding a category to OWFrameSetDocView to print the header, but at least I think I've got most of the API figured out. So.... What the Bundle still needs - a preference panel to set header format (date/no date, font, color ... ) - footer support (put page numbers on the bottom ... ) - should probably be done as a subclass rather than a category, then the subclass could poseAs: the OmniDocView and then I could be 100% sure that I am not overridding a method used by OmniDocView - a dictionary file to avoind the error message that prints on the console - check the length of the URL to make sure it will fit between the page number and the date I've only taken care of adding a preliminary preference panel With the option to print the header or not (which overrides all other options). A date format field in the form of strftime (NSCalendarDate's calendarFormat). PrintRIP's Omni.dictionary with the current defaults set not to print. A little more documentation on the Omni.dictionary format would be nice. It took some digging to find the immediateLoad = YES. [An attachment was originally included here] PrintRIP.omniweb NIHS [An attachment was originally included here] PrintRIP, 3.3 Project source Would anyone else find it useful to have a handle (http://www.handle.net/) protocol bundle? HTTP/1.1? Regards, jas -------------- next part -------------- Skipped content of type multipart/mixed From luomat at nerc.com Fri Jan 24 07:35:41 1997 From: luomat at nerc.com (Timothy J Luoma) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:32:09 2005 Subject: David Aspinall's OmniDocExtensions Bundle In-Reply-To: <9701241244.AA08921@sickel.com> References: <9701241244.AA08921@sickel.com> Message-ID: <199701241535.KAA11042@nerc.com> Responding To: "Jeffrey A. Sickel" <Jeff_Sickel@sickel.com> Original Date: Fri, 24 Jan 97 04:35:28 -0800 Message-ID: <9701241244.AA08921@sickel.com> > Here's a little extension to David's OmniDocExtensions bundle. By "extension" do you mean that this replaces David's bundle or works together with it (ie do I have to have both installed or not?) Thanks TjL -- Tj Luoma (luomat@peak.org) If you have a web page about NeXTStep|OpenStep, email me the URL! From Jeff_Sickel at balt.BLaCKSMITH.com Fri Jan 24 07:58:45 1997 From: Jeff_Sickel at balt.BLaCKSMITH.com (Jeff Sickel) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:32:09 2005 Subject: David Aspinall's OmniDocExtensions Bundle Message-ID: <199701241555.KAA01659@balt.BLaCKSMITH.com> Begin forwarded message: In-Reply-To: <199701241535.KAA11042@nerc.com> From: Jeff Sickel <deviant> Date: Fri, 24 Jan 97 10:48:25 -0500 To: luomat@peak.org Subject: Re: David Aspinall's OmniDocExtensions Bundle On Fri, 24 Jan 97, Timothy J Luoma wrote: >>Here's a little extension to David's OmniDocExtensions bundle. > >By "extension" do you mean that this replaces David's bundle or works together >with it (ie do I have to have both installed or not?) > Actually, it replaces the OmniDocExtensions.omni. It's all David's code for the DPSContext, just a preference added so and a couple of other 'features'. jas From Marc_Driftmeyer at next.com Fri Jan 24 10:53:46 1997 From: Marc_Driftmeyer at next.com (Marc Driftmeyer (Temp)) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:32:09 2005 Subject: David Aspinall's OmniDocExtensions Bundle References: <9701241244.AA08921@sickel.com> Message-ID: <9701241853.AA16510@oz.next.com> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I think you will find the margin will shrink up. --- David Aspinall ---------------- GE Capital Technology Management Services vMail : (905) 507-5039 5990 Avebury Road, Fax : (905) 507-4903 Mississauga, Ontario, Canada, eMail : daspinall@gects.ge.com L5R 3R2 From sugee at asu.edu Fri Jan 24 11:49:42 1997 From: sugee at asu.edu (Sue) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:32:09 2005 Subject: David Aspinall's OmniDocExtensions Bundle Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970124124048.20415B-100000@general2.asu.edu> Hello All, I would like to first extend my appreciation and thanks to those who have made this contribution. However, might I offer the following header and footer printing format? I think it would offer the most useful reference tags. Header Flush Left - Web Page Title Header Flush Right - URL Footer Flush Left - Date - Time Footer Flush Right - Page of Page The extra border space and page skrinkage when it comes to printing is something that I have long had a problem with when it came to OmniWeb and wonder why this was. The same occurs with NetSurfer too. Also, page breaks for printing don't do so well either. Consequently, and for those important morsels of information, I simply cut and pace into Edit or WordPerfect before printing out and to store for later reference. I should perhaps point out that at least these are the problems I encounter when working in my NS 3.3 NTSC environment. David Aspinall (daspinall@gects.ge.com) is right about how resizing the browser window has an effect on the print margins and document size. I had noticed this before. I'll have to check to see if the same is true of NetSurfer. Kind Regards Sue From Jeff_Sickel at balt.BLaCKSMITH.com Fri Jan 24 11:55:28 1997 From: Jeff_Sickel at balt.BLaCKSMITH.com (Jeff Sickel) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:32:09 2005 Subject: David Aspinall's OmniDocExtensions Bundle In-Reply-To: <9701241853.AA16510@oz.next.com> References: <9701241853.AA16510@oz.next.com> Message-ID: <199701241952.OAA02173@balt.BLaCKSMITH.com> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/enriched Size: 479 bytes Desc: not available Url : /mailman/archive/omniweb-l/attachments/19970124/127228ce/attachment.bin From Marc_Driftmeyer at next.com Fri Jan 24 13:10:00 1997 From: Marc_Driftmeyer at next.com (Marc Driftmeyer (Temp)) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:32:09 2005 Subject: David Aspinall's OmniDocExtensions Bundle References: <199701241952.OAA02173@balt.BLaCKSMITH.com> Message-ID: <9701242110.AA19530@oz.next.com> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/enriched Size: 1053 bytes Desc: not available Url : /mailman/archive/omniweb-l/attachments/19970124/6f7bacbd/attachment.bin From Jeff_Sickel at balt.BLaCKSMITH.com Fri Jan 24 13:36:13 1997 From: Jeff_Sickel at balt.BLaCKSMITH.com (Jeff Sickel) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:32:10 2005 Subject: David Aspinall's OmniDocExtensions Bundle In-Reply-To: <9701242110.AA19530@oz.next.com> References: <9701242110.AA19530@oz.next.com> Message-ID: <199701242133.QAA02322@balt.BLaCKSMITH.com> On Fri, 24 Jan 97, Marc Driftmeyer (Temp) wrote: >I am using 2.1.4, but that was not my point. The extension .omniweb is neither >.omni, .omnibundle, .omniimage, etc... Nothing more. > As I said, version 2.5-beta-2 (and I believe at least a few before it) use { ".omniweb"; ".omniimage"; ".omni"; } so under 2.5, .omniweb works. I didn't have the opportunity to try out the bundle on 2.1.4 or earlier versions do to not having them on my system. I guess there's still a vagueness about the naming conventions for OmniWeb bundles.... Just as there was a vagueness in ensuring the bundle was loaded once it also included the Omni.dictionary and the OmniPreferencesClient subclass. Ah, the beauty of documentation. jas -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/enriched Size: 809 bytes Desc: not available Url : /mailman/archive/omniweb-l/attachments/19970124/41e76797/attachment.bin From gmieg at EGNEXT1.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Fri Jan 24 13:45:52 1997 From: gmieg at EGNEXT1.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (George Irwin) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:32:10 2005 Subject: David Aspinall's OmniDocExtensions Bundle Message-ID: <9701242145.AA04612@egnext1.SLAC.Stanford.EDU> Exactly how do you get this bundle to load when you run OmniWeb. George From luomat at nerc.com Fri Jan 24 20:22:08 1997 From: luomat at nerc.com (Timothy J Luoma) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:32:10 2005 Subject: David Aspinall's OmniDocExtensions Bundle In-Reply-To: <9701242145.AA04612@egnext1.SLAC.Stanford.EDU> References: <9701242145.AA04612@egnext1.SLAC.Stanford.EDU> Message-ID: <199701250422.XAA03676@nerc.com> Responding To: George Irwin <gmieg@EGNEXT1.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> Original Date: Fri, 24 Jan 97 13:47:12 -0800 Message-ID: <9701242145.AA04612@egnext1.SLAC.Stanford.EDU> > Exactly how do you get this bundle to load when you run OmniWeb. I put it in /LocalLibrary/OmniComponents and called it "PrintRIP.omni", although it has been suggested that I didn't need to rename it -- I didn't know that at the time, and since it works now, I have left it there. Don't ask me why it isn't /LocalLibrary/OmniWeb, cuz I can't tell you cuz I don't know either. TjL -- Tj Luoma (luomat@peak.org) If you have a web page about NeXTStep|OpenStep, email me the URL! From wjs Sat Jan 25 02:08:54 1997 From: wjs (William Shipley) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:32:10 2005 Subject: David Aspinall's OmniDocExtensions Bundle In-Reply-To: <199701250422.XAA03676@nerc.com> References: <199701250422.XAA03676@nerc.com> Message-ID: <9701251008.AA14283@omnigroup.com> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/enriched Size: 85 bytes Desc: not available Url : /mailman/archive/omniweb-l/attachments/19970125/e4046c12/attachment.bin From luomat at nerc.com Sat Jan 25 06:32:10 1997 From: luomat at nerc.com (Timothy J Luoma) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:32:10 2005 Subject: I'm not getting my own posts to this list Message-ID: <199701251432.JAA03334@nerc.com> Is that new? I just noticed that when I send a message to the group I don't seem to get a copy of it back (as confirmation that it made it to the list). Can anyone comment on this? Thanks TjL -- Tj Luoma (luomat@peak.org) If you have a web page about NeXTStep|OpenStep, email me the URL! From luomat at nerc.com Sun Jan 26 08:48:05 1997 From: luomat at nerc.com (Timothy J Luoma) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:32:10 2005 Subject: HTML question (OW not strict enough or what?) Message-ID: <199701261648.LAA04184@nerc.com> I have had people tell me that they cannot access various pages I made because they are getting this error: /~luomat/next/~luomat/next/index-noframes.html not found now, nowhere do I have ~luomat/next/~luomat/next/index-noframes.html, so I am thinking that something must be wrong. Is ~luomat an invalid link? it seems to work perfectly for me using OW, but others (with unknown browsers) are having problems. 1) if this is OW's way of dealing with bad HTML code, then I'd like to know 2) if there's some other reason, I'd like to know that too. Meanwhile, I'm going to take out the ~luomat and see if that helps TjL -- Tj Luoma (luomat@peak.org) If you have a web page about NeXTStep|OpenStep, email me the URL! From kc Sun Jan 26 09:21:36 1997 From: kc (Ken Case) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:32:10 2005 Subject: I'm not getting my own posts to this list Message-ID: <9701261721.AA29628@omnigroup.com> > I just noticed that when I send a message to the group I don't seem > to get a copy of it back (as confirmation that it made it to the > list). Whether you receive copies of your own posts depends on your subscription settings. If you would like to receive copies of the posts you send to OmniWeb-l, send mail to listproc@omnigroup.com with the command: set omniweb-l mail ack (Note: all commands go in the body of the message--the subject line is ignored.) For more information on listproc commands and settings, send listproc@omnigroup.com the commands "help" and "help set". (You can send multiple commands in one message, just put each command on its own line.) Ken From kc Sun Jan 26 09:31:27 1997 From: kc (Ken Case) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:32:10 2005 Subject: HTML question (OW not strict enough or what?) Message-ID: <9701261731.AA00151@omnigroup.com> > Is ~luomat an invalid link? Yes, it is. Or, rather, it isn't strictly invalid, but it should be interpreted in the way the other browsers are interpreting it (looking for a subdirectory named "~luomat" off the current directory), rather than working the way it is now (looking for a root directory named "~luomat"). The link should, in fact, be to "/~luomat" rather than just "~luomat". We introduced the current behavior sometime between 2.0 beta 4 and 5. I don't remember the details any more, but presumably it was to handle some bad HTML somewhere that someone complained about. (I should have made it a compatibility preference, and will plan to do so for the next release.) Ken From luomat at nerc.com Sun Jan 26 10:09:34 1997 From: luomat at nerc.com (Timothy J Luoma) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:32:10 2005 Subject: Processes panel Message-ID: <199701261809.NAA05316@nerc.com> Usually the status bar (where the currently URL is displayed) shows the progress, etc of the file being downloaded. However, if I bring up the processes panel, the status bar no longer show the progress, it is only in the processes panel, which isn't bad, except that when I close the processes panel, it still doesn't show me what's happening unless I reopen the processes panel. under 2.5beta2 comments? TjL -- Tj Luoma (luomat@peak.org) If you have a web page about NeXTStep|OpenStep, email me the URL! From scollarw at cadvision.com Sun Jan 26 10:11:43 1997 From: scollarw at cadvision.com (guzzibill) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:32:10 2005 Subject: I'm not getting my own posts to this list In-Reply-To: <199701251432.JAA03334@nerc.com> References: <199701251432.JAA03334@nerc.com> Message-ID: <9701261811.AA01149@guzzibill.cadvision.com> You wrote: > Is that new? I just noticed that when I send a message to the > group I don't seem to get a copy of it back (as confirmation that > it made it to the list). > > Can anyone comment on this? > > Thanks > > TjL Tim : you should send the following command to the omniweb-l listserver (the one you subscribed via) SET omniweb-l REPRO and forever after you "should" receive an echo copy of your postings. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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All mention of it (indeed, of any product other than JavaPlan) seems to have been purged from their web site at http://www.lighthouse.com/. --- Stephen Fitzpatrick S.Fitzpatrick@cs.qub.ac.uk From wjs Mon Jan 27 16:41:33 1997 From: wjs (William Shipley) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:32:10 2005 Subject: omniweb/lighthouse In-Reply-To: <9701271835.AA00523@odo.cs.qub.ac.uk> References: <9701271835.AA00523@odo.cs.qub.ac.uk> Message-ID: <9701280041.AA01522@omnigroup.com> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/enriched Size: 246 bytes Desc: not available Url : /mailman/archive/omniweb-l/attachments/19970127/ed20b272/attachment.bin From eadubie at rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu Tue Jan 28 22:26:45 1997 From: eadubie at rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu (Eric A. Dubiel) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:32:10 2005 Subject: omniweb/lighthouse In-Reply-To: <9701280041.AA01522@omnigroup.com> Message-ID: <v03010d02af131803ba07@[138.87.201.11]> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/enriched Size: 1054 bytes Desc: not available Url : /mailman/archive/omniweb-l/attachments/19970129/e7fc49f1/attachment.bin From don at misckit.com Wed Jan 29 00:02:19 1997 From: don at misckit.com (Donald A. Yacktman) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:32:10 2005 Subject: Strange bug In-Reply-To: <v03010d02af131803ba07@[138.87.201.11]> References: <v03010d02af131803ba07@[138.87.201.11]> Message-ID: <9701290802.AA09965@misckit.com> This is really wierd--anyone have suggestions? The problem seems to be a strange interaction between the tag and tables. I'm trying to build a table that shows alliances (like the MS IE and Netscape logos, etc.). I want to lay out the logos approximately like this: [ASCII Art] +--------------------+--------------------+ | Microsoft | Netscape | +--------------------+--------------------+ | Penumbra Software | +-----------------------------------------+ So I used the code appended to the end of this message. The problem is that the code as written will display as a two row table with the bottom row as desired but the top row as a single cell with just the Microsoft logo centered in it. The Netscape one disappears entirely. Ack! So I used comments to isolate one bit of code at a time, and it turns out that everything displays as desired if I comment out the and tags. With them in, the one table cell disappears. Note that the Netscape cell will disappear no matter whether it is the left or the right hand cell--so it appears that the font tag throws off the art of OmniWeb that builds rows. Now, I know the font tag below uses a MS-only feature (the face= parameter) but that isn't the problem; if I remove it, the problem still persists. Actually, it appears a little wierder than that. To get it to display right I actually have to have several characters appear _before_ the comment ( Of course, just because it's in some specification doesn't mean that Netscape will follow the spec--and if Netscape doesn't follow the spec, neither can HTML writers. But, fortunately, for once Netscape does! If you try this piece of HTML in Netscape: <A HREF="a&b"> you'll find that Netscape actually translates this to "a&b", as it should. (Unfortunately, they still don't completely follow the spec, so unterminated entities are also translated, i.e. "&ere" becomes "&ere" in Netscape.) Quoting from someone who asked me about this directly a while ago: > The solution [which many developers already use] is to not render > entities when they are found in html tags. Why would you even want > to render them? My response: 1. To be compliant with the SGML (and thus HTML) standard, which says we must render entities within attribute values. 2. So that one can specify double quotes and other special characters within attribute values. For example, <img alt=""Howdy!"">. 3. One of the reasons entities were invented were to let you type characters for which you have no keys on the keyboard. E.g., so you could put a "a ∨ b" in an attribute value (like the alternate image text above), not just in a paragraph. > Furthermore, Josep's & was being used as a separator in a query > string, in which case it should NOT be encoded in any way [...] It is encoded in HTML to preserve its intended value as a query string. The decoded string is sent back to the server. I consider it very, very unfortunate that "&" was chosen as a separator for query strings (since it needs to be quoted within any SGML CDATA attribute), and can only conclude that that choice was made by a person unfamiliar with the SGML entity specification. Ken From dhowe at linklaters.com Mon Feb 3 09:39:15 1997 From: dhowe at linklaters.com (Denis Howe) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:32:10 2005 Subject: Ampersands in URLs Message-ID: <9702031740.AA08497@chmail> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/enriched Size: 44 bytes Desc: not available Url : /mailman/archive/omniweb-l/attachments/19970203/8d4ed6b7/attachment.bin From wolfgang.roeckelein at wiwi.uni-regensburg.de Tue Feb 4 01:26:56 1997 From: wolfgang.roeckelein at wiwi.uni-regensburg.de (Wolfgang Rockelein) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:32:10 2005 Subject: Writing HTML with URLs containing ampersands In-Reply-To: <9702022140.AA02929@omnigroup.com> References: <9702022140.AA02929@omnigroup.com> Message-ID: <9702040927.AA02630@pcrw04.wiwi.uni-regensburg.de> Ken Case wrote: > If you turn off "Netscape > compatible nonterminated entities" in Compatibility Preferences, your > link will start working just fine (although if "&imagen" ever becomes an > entity in the future, your link will break again if it remains as is). (I have the same problem here with a WWW OPAC, see eg http://www-opac.bib-bvb.de/bvb-bin/isuche.cgi?lang=deutsch&Aktion=Start&opacdb=BVB+Verbundkatalog&local=069, search for a book and go to the book description, this last step has the problems) As this works in Netscape, it seems a bit strange to me to turn off a Netscape compatibility to get it to work like in Netscape... Wolfgang From wolfgang.roeckelein at wiwi.uni-regensburg.de Tue Feb 4 01:38:49 1997 From: wolfgang.roeckelein at wiwi.uni-regensburg.de (Wolfgang =?iso-8859-1?Q?R=F6ckelein?=) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:32:10 2005 Subject: Ampersands in URLs In-Reply-To: <9702031716.AA07619@omnigroup.com> References: <9702031716.AA07619@omnigroup.com> Message-ID: <9702040938.AA02654@pcrw04.wiwi.uni-regensburg.de> Ken Case wrote: > I consider it very, very unfortunate that "&" was chosen as a separator > for query strings (since it needs to be quoted within any SGML CDATA > attribute), and can only conclude that that choice was made by a person > unfamiliar with the SGML entity specification. Yes, this is _the_ _main_ problem in the WWW world today, almost no one pays attention to any standards and specifications. For OmniWeb I see it like Ken, stay according to the specs (since you are one of the few who reads them, you can do that) and build compatibility switches if nothing else helps. But, on this specific problem here a few things are unclear to me. How comes that this works in Netscape? Is it because Netscape knows less &...; combinations and so is less likely to hit the problem? Wolfgang From jes at rednsi.com Tue Feb 4 01:56:48 1997 From: jes at rednsi.com (Josep Egea i Sanchez) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:32:10 2005 Subject: Apersands in URL's Message-ID: <9702040956.AA21864@rednsi.com> Hi, Thanks a lot to Ken Case for his extensive explanation about this subject. Having read his messages, all I can do is agree with him in the fact that '&' is a very bad election for parameter separation in URL's. For now, I have disabled Netscape compatibility and will begin to use the & style in my new code. Thank you very much to Denis Howe too, for writing aloud the same things that I though when I first read Ken's response. Thanks to him and to Ken's patience, most of us have learned something new. Now, If only someone could give me a clue on my Apache + Server Push problem... :-) Thanks a lot. Grettings. --- Josep Egea - jes@rednsi.com - NeXTMail & MIME OK Nexus Servicios de Informacion - Barcelona (Spain) Telf: + 34 3 285 00 70 - Fax: + 34 3 285 00 70 From kopacik at alpha.dcs.fmph.uniba.sk Tue Feb 4 03:26:05 1997 From: kopacik at alpha.dcs.fmph.uniba.sk (Ivan Kopacik) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:32:10 2005 Subject: OmniWeb & proxy Message-ID: <199702041126.AA24548@alpha.dcs.fmph.uniba.sk> Hi all, When I specify proxy server for OmniWeb, does it assume that proxy sits on port 80 ? What should I do to use proxy server on other port ? thanks -- Ivan Kopacik From Paul_Lynch at plsys.co.uk Tue Feb 4 04:41:19 1997 From: Paul_Lynch at plsys.co.uk (Paul Lynch) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:32:10 2005 Subject: OmniWeb & proxy Message-ID: <199702041241.MAA24252@nagshead.plsys.co.uk> > When I specify proxy server for OmniWeb, does it assume > that proxy sits on port 80 ? What should I do to use proxy server > on other port ? If you enter a proxy in the Preferences panel, it uses the default port for a URL, which is 80. To use a different port you specify it in the normal manner, e.g.: http://www-cache.demon.co.uk:8080/ Paul --- Paul Lynch (NeXTmail) paul@plsys.co.uk Tel: (01494)432422 P & L Systems Fax: