OmniOutliner-Users Digest, Vol 39, Issue 12

Wed Mar 28 12:22:39 PDT 2007

Re 2: Page Setup.

Obviously I am not the only one that thinks that the way headers are  
controlled is not optimal when it comes to simple intuitive way of  
getting what you want.

I would suggest therefore that the OO-team try to simplify this thing.

Thanks
Leif

28 mar 2007 kl. 21.00 skrev omnioutliner-users-request at omnigroup.com:

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> Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 12:04:03 -0700
> From: Derek Motonaga <dmo at omnigroup.com>
> Subject: Re: Synchronisation trough OPML
> To: Pascal Vuylsteker <pvk at vuylsteker.net>
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>> - a diff between two outliner (omni or opml) files (the sort that let
>> you transfer one diff at a time from one file to the other)
>
> I suppose an AppleScript could be written to go through and compare
> the two documents but there's nothing currently existing to do this.
>
>> - a way to quickly apply all the graphical formating form an omni
>> document to a raw opml file
>
> You can copy styles over one at a time from one document to another.
> Or, copy the opml data into a OO template with the style setup.
>
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>>
>> And in addition, a link to some advice that I could give to a poor
>> windows user, like for instance
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OPML#Software , but with some more info
>> on the one that accept the edition of associated notes and/or columns
>> (for instance, I just tested OPML Editor, but it doesn't let us edit
>> the notes, and there is no notion of column).
>
> I'm unfamiliar with the OPML software out there so maybe someone else
> on this list can recommend something.
>
> -- 
> Derek M.
> Support Ninja
> The Omni Group
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> Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 20:40:27 -0400
> From: "Rachel Cobleigh" <rcobleigh at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Page Setup usability problem
> To: "Derek Motonaga" <dmo at omnigroup.com>
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> In the attached document, my current menu looks like this:
>
> All Except First Page (selected)
> Customize First Page
> Customize Odd and Even Pages
>
> Goal: I want to make all the page headers the same.
>
> How do I get to the "Don't Customize First Page" option you mentioned?
> I clicked around to see. From the point described above, I clicked on
> "Customize First Page". (Remember: I want to make all page headers the
> same, so clicking on this "Customize First Page" is COMPLETELY
> counter-intuitive.) The menu now looks like this:
>
> First Page (selected)
> All Except First Page
> Don't Customize First Page
> Customize Odd and Even Pages
>
> Ah! There's the "Don't Customize First Page" option now! I click on it
> and I get a dialog box that tells me:
>
> "Remove Custom Headers and Footers?
> This will remove the custom headers and footers for the first page.
> [Cancel] [Remove]"
>
> In previous versions of OO, clicking [Remove] has been known to blow
> away the headers that I had created. Note the continued apparently
> inability to put the same header on all the pages, which was my
> original goal. Given my previous experiences with my headers getting
> blown away, I reluctantly click on [Remove]...and the menu now looks
> like:
>
> All Except First Page (selected)
> Customize First Page
> Customize Odd and Even Pages
>
> Wow, the headers weren't blown away. ::whew:: But I'm back at the
> original menu, still not sure that my headers are going to apply to
> all the pages. In fact, it looks like they're only going to apply to
> pages 2..n. It looks like the First Page is still "customized", in
> that it's different than the rest of the pages. ::sigh::
>
> Now, I'm HAPPY that the behavior of OO is to put the same header on
> all the pages, despite this frustrating menu item that describes
> behavior to the contrary. So I give up trying to make sense of the
> menus and I move on with my life.
>
> The usability frustration for me is that this menu seems to try to
> "intelligently" change and I can't get back to all the menu items that
> I might have been able to reach before. A menu should be static so
> users are not playing this guessing game, trying to figure out how to
> change the menu so that the right menu item will reappear. (Does
> anybody remember those horrid "smart" menus in Word and Windows with
> the disappearing menu items?) There needs to be an "All Pages" menu
> item that is ALWAYS available in the menu, in case you want to escape
> from any inadvertent customization hole you've managed to fall into.
>
> It also looks like that menu is trying to do double duty: define when
> the headers/footers are used and at the same time define the space of
> choices available to the user. Perhaps these two orthogonal functions
> need to be split up somehow, so you don't have this
> continually-changing menu confusion going on. Not that I'm a big fan
> of Microsoft, but you might want to check out alternative
> implementations of this kind of functionality, such as what is
> available in MS Word.
>
> Of additional interest is the fact that when I create a new document
> from the default template and not from one of my pre-defined
> templates, which originated in earlier versions of OO, I can get the
> menu to show an "All Pages" setting. Is this menu expressibility issue
> related to a versioning problem?
>
> Thanks, by the way! I'm otherwise loving OO. :)
>
> Rachel
>
> On 3/26/07, Derek Motonaga <dmo at omnigroup.com> wrote:
>> Hi Rachel-
>>
>> Did you possibly cancel out of the 'Don't Customize First Page'  
>> option? When
>> you select it, you should get a dialog box that asks if you're  
>> sure you want
>> to remove the custom header/footer for the first page. If you push  
>> remove,
>> the list will now say "All Pages" and in place of "Don't Customize  
>> First
>> Page" it will say "Customize First Page".
>>
>> --
>> Derek M.
>> Support Ninja
>> The Omni Group
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mar 25, 2007, at 6:59 PM, Rachel Cobleigh wrote:
>>
>> In the Page Setup -> OmniOutliner Pro  dialog, on the Headers &
>> Footers tab, the only way to get the same header and footer to  
>> show up
>> on all the pages is to select "Don't Customize First Page", but then
>> when you go back to that tab later, the combo box contains "All  
>> Except
>> First Page", which seems to contradict the actual behavior. It would
>> be much nicer if (a) the choices in that combo boxes never changed  
>> and
>> (b) there was a choice that basically said, "All Pages", or something
>> to that effect.
>>
>> Rachel
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