From doug at lerner.net Thu Jan 4 05:07:19 2007 From: doug at lerner.net (Doug Lerner) Date: Thu Jan 4 06:27:18 2007 Subject: Question about text alignment Message-ID: <7D3D3FF5-6E0A-4208-B89D-5C2E5E1C52E7@lerner.net> I am trying out Outliner, and am having trouble getting text alignment to work. See this screenshot: I selected the column "Amount" and then from the menu Format > Text > Align Right. But only one section gets aligned right. One section stays aligned left. Any idea why and how to fix this? Thanks, Doug From curt.clifton at mac.com Thu Jan 4 08:47:48 2007 From: curt.clifton at mac.com (Curt Clifton) Date: Thu Jan 4 08:48:09 2007 Subject: Question about text alignment In-Reply-To: <7D3D3FF5-6E0A-4208-B89D-5C2E5E1C52E7@lerner.net> References: <7D3D3FF5-6E0A-4208-B89D-5C2E5E1C52E7@lerner.net> Message-ID: <140BC204-C86C-4EF6-8B6E-A4D6D2C016BB@mac.com> Doug, On Jan 4, 2007, at 8:07 AM, Doug Lerner wrote: > I selected the column "Amount" and then from the menu Format > Text > > Align Right. > > But only one section gets aligned right. One section stays aligned > left. > > Any idea why and how to fix this? My guess is that some formatting for the row is overriding formatting for the column. Select one of the rows that is misbehaving and take a look at the Style Attributes inspector. You may need to delete an Align Left attribute from the style of the misbehaving section. Hope that helps. Cheers, Curt From doug at lerner.net Thu Jan 4 10:23:01 2007 From: doug at lerner.net (Doug Lerner) Date: Thu Jan 4 10:23:07 2007 Subject: Question about text alignment In-Reply-To: <140BC204-C86C-4EF6-8B6E-A4D6D2C016BB@mac.com> References: <7D3D3FF5-6E0A-4208-B89D-5C2E5E1C52E7@lerner.net> <140BC204-C86C-4EF6-8B6E-A4D6D2C016BB@mac.com> Message-ID: On Jan 5, 2007, at 1:47 AM, Curt Clifton wrote: > Doug, > > On Jan 4, 2007, at 8:07 AM, Doug Lerner wrote: > >> I selected the column "Amount" and then from the menu Format > >> Text > Align Right. >> >> But only one section gets aligned right. One section stays aligned >> left. >> >> Any idea why and how to fix this? > > > My guess is that some formatting for the row is overriding > formatting for the column. Select one of the rows that is > misbehaving and take a look at the Style Attributes inspector. You > may need to delete an Align Left attribute from the style of the > misbehaving section. > > Hope that helps. > > Cheers, > > Curt Thanks for your note, Curt. There didn't seem to be any other styles in any of the other rows when selected. doug From dmo at omnigroup.com Thu Jan 4 12:17:47 2007 From: dmo at omnigroup.com (Derek Motonaga) Date: Thu Jan 4 12:17:51 2007 Subject: Question about text alignment In-Reply-To: References: <7D3D3FF5-6E0A-4208-B89D-5C2E5E1C52E7@lerner.net> <140BC204-C86C-4EF6-8B6E-A4D6D2C016BB@mac.com> Message-ID: Hi Doug- If you could send your file to me at omnioutliner@omnigroup.com I'll take a look at it. There's most likely a style applied in an odd way that you're unaware of. Thanks. -- Derek M. Support Engineer The Omni Group On Jan 4, 2007, at 10:23 , Doug Lerner wrote: > On Jan 5, 2007, at 1:47 AM, Curt Clifton wrote: > >> Doug, >> >> On Jan 4, 2007, at 8:07 AM, Doug Lerner wrote: >> >>> I selected the column "Amount" and then from the menu Format > >>> Text > Align Right. >>> >>> But only one section gets aligned right. One section stays >>> aligned left. >>> >>> Any idea why and how to fix this? >> >> >> My guess is that some formatting for the row is overriding >> formatting for the column. Select one of the rows that is >> misbehaving and take a look at the Style Attributes inspector. >> You may need to delete an Align Left attribute from the style of >> the misbehaving section. >> >> Hope that helps. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Curt > > Thanks for your note, Curt. There didn't seem to be any other > styles in any of the other rows when selected. > > doug > > > _______________________________________________ > OmniOutliner-Users mailing list > OmniOutliner-Users@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnioutliner-users From doug at lerner.net Thu Jan 4 15:17:15 2007 From: doug at lerner.net (Doug Lerner) Date: Thu Jan 4 15:17:26 2007 Subject: Outliner vs Outliner HTML Export Message-ID: <3848C2AA-58BD-400E-B230-8BACE8F5776C@lerner.net> This screenshot: compares the Outliner HTML export (top) with the actual Outliner view (bottom). Shouldn't the summaries in the parent categories (Daily Expenses, Utilities) in the HTML be grayed, to set them off, like they are in the Outliner view itself? Thanks, doug From dmo at omnigroup.com Thu Jan 4 16:38:14 2007 From: dmo at omnigroup.com (Derek Motonaga) Date: Thu Jan 4 16:38:16 2007 Subject: Outliner vs Outliner HTML Export In-Reply-To: <3848C2AA-58BD-400E-B230-8BACE8F5776C@lerner.net> References: <3848C2AA-58BD-400E-B230-8BACE8F5776C@lerner.net> Message-ID: <4FB9BA27-2923-416A-BFAD-A746284C98D1@omnigroup.com> Doug- Unfortunately that's just a visual cue to indicate that you can't directly edit that field. It won't show up in printouts either. -- Derek M. Support Engineer The Omni Group On Jan 4, 2007, at 3:17 , Doug Lerner wrote: > This screenshot: > > > > compares the Outliner HTML export (top) with the actual Outliner > view (bottom). > > Shouldn't the summaries in the parent categories (Daily Expenses, > Utilities) in the HTML be grayed, to set them off, like they are in > the Outliner view itself? > > Thanks, > > doug > > _______________________________________________ > OmniOutliner-Users mailing list > OmniOutliner-Users@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnioutliner-users From doug at lerner.net Thu Jan 4 17:08:47 2007 From: doug at lerner.net (Doug Lerner) Date: Thu Jan 4 17:08:51 2007 Subject: Outliner vs Outliner HTML Export In-Reply-To: <4FB9BA27-2923-416A-BFAD-A746284C98D1@omnigroup.com> References: <3848C2AA-58BD-400E-B230-8BACE8F5776C@lerner.net> <4FB9BA27-2923-416A-BFAD-A746284C98D1@omnigroup.com> Message-ID: <38E1305F-C168-4481-A772-D07B70449C69@lerner.net> For an enhancement I would like to suggest that it be set off somehow in the exported versions to make it easier to understand that it is a summary item. Thanks, doug On Jan 5, 2007, at 9:38 AM, Derek Motonaga wrote: > Doug- > > Unfortunately that's just a visual cue to indicate that you can't > directly edit that field. It won't show up in printouts either. > > -- > Derek M. > Support Engineer > The Omni Group > > > On Jan 4, 2007, at 3:17 , Doug Lerner wrote: > >> This screenshot: >> >> >> >> compares the Outliner HTML export (top) with the actual Outliner >> view (bottom). >> >> Shouldn't the summaries in the parent categories (Daily Expenses, >> Utilities) in the HTML be grayed, to set them off, like they are >> in the Outliner view itself? >> >> Thanks, >> >> doug >> >> _______________________________________________ >> OmniOutliner-Users mailing list >> OmniOutliner-Users@omnigroup.com >> http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnioutliner-users > From dmo at omnigroup.com Fri Jan 5 11:42:24 2007 From: dmo at omnigroup.com (Derek Motonaga) Date: Fri Jan 5 11:42:28 2007 Subject: Outliner vs Outliner HTML Export In-Reply-To: <38E1305F-C168-4481-A772-D07B70449C69@lerner.net> References: <3848C2AA-58BD-400E-B230-8BACE8F5776C@lerner.net> <4FB9BA27-2923-416A-BFAD-A746284C98D1@omnigroup.com> <38E1305F-C168-4481-A772-D07B70449C69@lerner.net> Message-ID: <09246FD0-F286-4D12-9187-4FF7B3427A39@omnigroup.com> I will enter a request for this. -- Derek M. Support Engineer The Omni Group On Jan 4, 2007, at 5:08 , Doug Lerner wrote: > For an enhancement I would like to suggest that it be set off > somehow in the exported versions to make it easier to understand > that it is a summary item. > > Thanks, > > doug > > On Jan 5, 2007, at 9:38 AM, Derek Motonaga wrote: > >> Doug- >> >> Unfortunately that's just a visual cue to indicate that you can't >> directly edit that field. It won't show up in printouts either. >> >> -- >> Derek M. >> Support Engineer >> The Omni Group >> >> >> On Jan 4, 2007, at 3:17 , Doug Lerner wrote: >> >>> This screenshot: >>> >>> >>> >>> compares the Outliner HTML export (top) with the actual Outliner >>> view (bottom). >>> >>> Shouldn't the summaries in the parent categories (Daily Expenses, >>> Utilities) in the HTML be grayed, to set them off, like they are >>> in the Outliner view itself? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> doug >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> OmniOutliner-Users mailing list >>> OmniOutliner-Users@omnigroup.com >>> http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnioutliner-users >> From doug at lerner.net Sat Jan 6 01:50:20 2007 From: doug at lerner.net (Doug Lerner) Date: Sat Jan 6 01:50:27 2007 Subject: Moving rows into notes? Message-ID: I created 7 level-two rows for an item and then realized they would have been better off as all part of the inline note for the parent. I cut-and-pasted each row into the parent note and then deleted the 7 level-two rows. Is there an easier way to consolidate multiple rows into one row or to accomplish what I did? Thanks, doug From doug at lerner.net Sat Jan 6 02:05:13 2007 From: doug at lerner.net (Doug Lerner) Date: Sat Jan 6 02:05:19 2007 Subject: Export to HTML and KeyNote Message-ID: I formatted a nicely looking outline, but when I exported it to HTML it didn't look too much like the outline. In particular, the line spacings and the widths of the inline notes were not preserved, so the HTML looked like a big bunch of run-on text without much white space to make it easy on the eyes. Are there any work-arounds for this? Also, I tried an export to Keynote, and it seemed that (1) none of the colors or styles were exported and, most surprisingly (2) the inline notes (where I had most of my content!) were not part of the new presentation. Is there anything that can be done to export to KeyNote including inline notes? Thanks, doug From dflatin at rcn.com Sat Jan 6 15:24:42 2007 From: dflatin at rcn.com (Daniel Flatin) Date: Sat Jan 6 18:37:31 2007 Subject: Moving rows into notes? Message-ID: <7B97F9CD-5F82-474A-BF3C-A33FC22298DE@rcn.com> On Jan 6, 2007, at 04:50, Doug Lerner wrote: > I created 7 level-two rows for an item and then realized they would > have been better off as all part of the inline note for the parent. > I cut-and-pasted each row into the parent note and then deleted the > 7 level-two rows. > > Is there an easier way to consolidate multiple rows into one row or > to accomplish what I did? Here is my attempt at a script to do just this. Deleting the selected rows is a bit cumbersome, so if anyone has any insight into a more elegant approach I would appreciate it. As it is, this method is derived from a script by Curt Clifton which was posted about a year ago. -- begin script -- Concatenate the topic text of the selected rows separated by carriage -- returns and place the text in the note field of the parent row. No -- attempt is made to check for a hierarchical relationship between -- selected rows. property mark : "delete" -- Generates a random column name for use in marking rows that shouldn't -- appear in the final document. set markerColumnName to do shell script "jot -c 16 a z | rs -T -g0" tell application "OmniOutliner Professional" tell front document -- Creates a column for marking rows make new column at after last column with properties {name:markerColumnName} set theRows to selected rows set theParent to parent of (first item of theRows) set noteText to note of theParent repeat with theRow in theRows tell theRow if (noteText is not "") then set noteText to noteText & return & topic else -- skip empty lines set noteText to topic end if set value of cell markerColumnName of theRow to mark end tell end repeat set note of theParent to noteText delete (every row whose value of cell markerColumnName is mark) -- Clean up delete column markerColumnName end tell end tell -- end script Dan From doug at lerner.net Mon Jan 8 16:42:02 2007 From: doug at lerner.net (Doug Lerner) Date: Mon Jan 8 16:42:20 2007 Subject: Sharing outlines online? Message-ID: <3DA6895F-521B-435A-B9F6-EB62026040A2@lerner.net> I have liked what I have done so far with OmniOutliner. But I find the weak part is exporting. The HTML format doesn't seem to carry the styles through and formatting doesn't look great. The best export so far seems to be the rich text format, but I don't know where I can share that. The worst is the KeyNote export. Ugh! :) Most of the stuff I would use OmniOutliner for is for myself and so I don't usually have to share. But I would really like to be able to show an outline sometimes to other people - particularly by just posting HTML somewhere. I hope that OmniOutliner can improve its export features sometime. Is anything planned for this? It's just that OmniOutliner looks so nice in the app itself that I want it to look equally nice in exports for sharing! doug From jms1 at jms1.net Mon Jan 8 16:59:58 2007 From: jms1 at jms1.net (John Simpson) Date: Mon Jan 8 17:06:50 2007 Subject: Sharing outlines online? In-Reply-To: <3DA6895F-521B-435A-B9F6-EB62026040A2@lerner.net> References: <3DA6895F-521B-435A-B9F6-EB62026040A2@lerner.net> Message-ID: <54B33D88-629F-432F-95A7-558FC12D0E68@jms1.net> On 2007-01-08, at 1942, Doug Lerner wrote: > > I have liked what I have done so far with OmniOutliner. But I find > the weak part is exporting. The HTML format doesn't seem to carry > the styles through and formatting doesn't look great. The best > export so far seems to be the rich text format, but I don't know > where I can share that. The worst is the KeyNote export. Ugh! :) > > Most of the stuff I would use OmniOutliner for is for myself and so > I don't usually have to share. But I would really like to be able > to show an outline sometimes to other people - particularly by just > posting HTML somewhere. anytime i have to share anything, i create a PDF file and send that. it looks just fine to me. ---------------------------------------------------------------- | John M. Simpson --- KG4ZOW --- Programmer At Large | | http://www.jms1.net/ | ---------------------------------------------------------------- | http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4312730277175242198 | ---------------------------------------------------------------- From doug at lerner.net Mon Jan 8 18:26:50 2007 From: doug at lerner.net (Doug Lerner) Date: Mon Jan 8 18:26:59 2007 Subject: Sharing outlines online? In-Reply-To: <54B33D88-629F-432F-95A7-558FC12D0E68@jms1.net> References: <3DA6895F-521B-435A-B9F6-EB62026040A2@lerner.net> <54B33D88-629F-432F-95A7-558FC12D0E68@jms1.net> Message-ID: <16D63558-4672-451C-A27F-29837DAFC717@lerner.net> On Jan 9, 2007, at 9:59 AM, John Simpson wrote: > On 2007-01-08, at 1942, Doug Lerner wrote: >> >> I have liked what I have done so far with OmniOutliner. But I find >> the weak part is exporting. The HTML format doesn't seem to carry >> the styles through and formatting doesn't look great. The best >> export so far seems to be the rich text format, but I don't know >> where I can share that. The worst is the KeyNote export. Ugh! :) >> >> Most of the stuff I would use OmniOutliner for is for myself and >> so I don't usually have to share. But I would really like to be >> able to show an outline sometimes to other people - particularly >> by just posting HTML somewhere. > > anytime i have to share anything, i create a PDF file and send > that. it looks just fine to me. Yes - the PDF file export looks good, I agree. Let me tell you the exact situation I was in though. I was using OmniOutliner this past week to update "release notes" for some software I develop. I post these to a forum every couple of weeks. Usually I just write some notes manually and tweak in some basic HTML to bold headings, etc. But the notes looked so cool in OmniOutliner (!) that I was hoping to have a way of presenting them to members in the forum, looking like they do in OO. I could just attach a PDF file, but then the message I post would not become searchable in the forums. Plus members would have to download the attachment to read it, instead of seeing the release note in-line when checking the forum for new messages. So what I was hoping for was a way of taking the results of OO and pasting them as HTML into the forums. That would help make sharing easier. But the HTML export is (1) not a single file and (2) doesn't look as nice as the original OO does. doug From jlaudun at mac.com Tue Jan 9 12:35:27 2007 From: jlaudun at mac.com (Laudun John) Date: Tue Jan 9 12:36:03 2007 Subject: Sharing outlines online? In-Reply-To: <20070109200017.8ADD0120D6A@dynamic-www.omnigroup.com> References: <20070109200017.8ADD0120D6A@dynamic-www.omnigroup.com> Message-ID: <52D99A9A-4C32-45A4-A17C-6B7920AD10F7@mac.com> > On 2007-01-08, at 1942, Doug Lerner wrote: >> >> I have liked what I have done so far with OmniOutliner. But I find >> the weak part is exporting. The HTML format doesn't seem to carry >> the styles through and formatting doesn't look great. The best >> export so far seems to be the rich text format, but I don't know >> where I can share that. The worst is the KeyNote export. Ugh! :) >> >> Most of the stuff I would use OmniOutliner for is for myself and so >> I don't usually have to share. But I would really like to be able >> to show an outline sometimes to other people - particularly by just >> posting HTML somewhere. I'm a relative noob when it comes to such things, but I know that you can write your own exporter using, I believe, OS X's built in XSLT. That's the way, I think, that the S5 export was done. I'm with you on better export options, especially with styling, but I'm thinking we might be on our own. If you do a "Show package contents" on an OO file, you'll see that all the text is packed into a pretty tidy XML document. john From dmo at omnigroup.com Tue Jan 9 15:41:44 2007 From: dmo at omnigroup.com (Derek Motonaga) Date: Tue Jan 9 15:41:45 2007 Subject: Export to HTML and KeyNote In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0E4B0F27-46C8-44FE-98B8-2ABB38FE2511@omnigroup.com> Hi Doug- We plan to fix the note indentation in the standard html export in a future release. The dynamic html exporter that is included with the pro version doesn't currently have this issue. If there are other issues with the HTML export, if you can send me a screenshot of what you're seeing, that would be great. Your notes should be showing up in the Keynote export. They're converted to slide notes so you need to turn on the presenter notes from under the view menu. Styles however are not carried over for compatibility reasons. -- Derek M. Support Engineer The Omni Group On Jan 6, 2007, at 2:05 , Doug Lerner wrote: > I formatted a nicely looking outline, but when I exported it to > HTML it didn't look too much like the outline. In particular, the > line spacings and the widths of the inline notes were not > preserved, so the HTML looked like a big bunch of run-on text > without much white space to make it easy on the eyes. Are there any > work-arounds for this? > > Also, I tried an export to Keynote, and it seemed that (1) none of > the colors or styles were exported and, most surprisingly (2) the > inline notes (where I had most of my content!) were not part of the > new presentation. Is there anything that can be done to export to > KeyNote including inline notes? > > Thanks, > > doug > > _______________________________________________ > OmniOutliner-Users mailing list > OmniOutliner-Users@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnioutliner-users From DCDenison at globe.com Wed Jan 10 08:38:54 2007 From: DCDenison at globe.com (DCDenison@globe.com) Date: Wed Jan 10 08:59:52 2007 Subject: Does it look like OO will run on the new Apple iPhone? Message-ID: Or is it too early to tell? From dmo at omnigroup.com Wed Jan 10 12:25:13 2007 From: dmo at omnigroup.com (Derek Motonaga) Date: Wed Jan 10 12:25:15 2007 Subject: Does it look like OO will run on the new Apple iPhone? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: As far as I know, there's been nothing official said about this. We're just as curious as you are if 3rd party apps can be installed on the iPhone. Hopefully we'll know more soon. -- Derek M. Support Engineer The Omni Group On Jan 10, 2007, at 8:38 , DCDenison@globe.com wrote: > > Or is it too early to tell? > > _______________________________________________ > OmniOutliner-Users mailing list > OmniOutliner-Users@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnioutliner-users From jlaudun at mac.com Wed Jan 10 12:49:38 2007 From: jlaudun at mac.com (Laudun John) Date: Wed Jan 10 12:50:06 2007 Subject: note indentation In-Reply-To: <20070110200016.3C2F812208A@dynamic-www.omnigroup.com> References: <20070110200016.3C2F812208A@dynamic-www.omnigroup.com> Message-ID: On Jan 10, 2007, at 2:00 PM, Ninja Derek wrote: > We plan to fix the note indentation in the standard html export in a > future release. Speaking of indentation of notes, is there a way to get the notes to flatten when printing the same way you can get row indentation to flatten? Otherwise, one is left with the (sad) option of tweaking this setting for all the rows with notes -- or maybe this could be done quickly with "Whole Document." I'll have to go look. Still, it's twiddly to do this only to print and then to undo it -- rather like having either to change font sizes for printing or having to eyeball how wide to set the right side of the window so that the "shrink to fit" performs that miraculous conversion of 14pt type for those of us with "older" eyes who still want to print out type at 12 points. I love my OOP but I don't like the twiddling. john From tommyweir at gmail.com Wed Jan 10 13:20:17 2007 From: tommyweir at gmail.com (Tommy Weir) Date: Wed Jan 10 13:20:25 2007 Subject: Does it look like OO will run on the new Apple iPhone? In-Reply-To: <20070110200016.18500122088@dynamic-www.omnigroup.com> References: <20070110200016.18500122088@dynamic-www.omnigroup.com> Message-ID: <82B3AAE6-9067-480B-B347-2D2347C74C11@gmail.com> > Does it look like OO will run on the new Apple iPhone? It looks like the best we can hope for is an OmniFocus widget which will...somehow...get on there... I think I'd like to see Steve say next Macworld... "Here we have Ken Case from Omni coming on stage..." From dmo at omnigroup.com Wed Jan 10 15:16:34 2007 From: dmo at omnigroup.com (Derek Motonaga) Date: Wed Jan 10 15:16:37 2007 Subject: note indentation In-Reply-To: References: <20070110200016.3C2F812208A@dynamic-www.omnigroup.com> Message-ID: No, this isn't possible right now. I've filed a request for this though. You can quickly flatten your document before printing though. To do this select 'Whole Document' and then in the Row: Spacing inspector, set the Indent children value to 0. -- Derek M. Support Engineer The Omni Group On Jan 10, 2007, at 12:49 , Laudun John wrote: > > On Jan 10, 2007, at 2:00 PM, Ninja Derek wrote: > >> We plan to fix the note indentation in the standard html export in a >> future release. > > Speaking of indentation of notes, is there a way to get the notes > to flatten when printing the same way you can get row indentation > to flatten? Otherwise, one is left with the (sad) option of > tweaking this setting for all the rows with notes -- or maybe this > could be done quickly with "Whole Document." I'll have to go look. > Still, it's twiddly to do this only to print and then to undo it -- > rather like having either to change font sizes for printing or > having to eyeball how wide to set the right side of the window so > that the "shrink to fit" performs that miraculous conversion of > 14pt type for those of us with "older" eyes who still want to print > out type at 12 points. > > I love my OOP but I don't like the twiddling. > > john From rblove at airmail.net Wed Jan 10 19:29:31 2007 From: rblove at airmail.net (Robert Love) Date: Wed Jan 10 19:29:39 2007 Subject: Does it look like OO will run on the new Apple iPhone? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <141AD2CE-C4C2-4B9D-A57A-41CE745B0BB0@airmail.net> On Jan 10, 2007, at 2:25 PM, Derek Motonaga wrote: > As far as I know, there's been nothing official said about this. > We're just as curious as you are if 3rd party apps can be installed > on the iPhone. Hopefully we'll know more soon. > Far more than OO, I want the GTD app running on iPhones. Uh, OmniFocus. OmniFocus and a ssh terminal. > -- > Derek M. > Support Engineer > The Omni Group > From kenny-omnilists at cardservice-int.com Thu Jan 11 13:08:52 2007 From: kenny-omnilists at cardservice-int.com (kennyj) Date: Thu Jan 11 13:12:24 2007 Subject: how to get out of text-editing mode Message-ID: Paste Insert a copy of the clipboard's current contents into the outline. It is inserted at the text cursor or, if a row is selected, after the selected row. Note that when you are in text-editing mode, the lines get pasted into the row. When you are outside of text-editing mode, the lines get pasted as individual rows. I've searched high and low, and I haven't been able to find anything else referencing this "text-editing mode". I'm trying to copy multiple lines from one OO file to another, but when I paste, it all goes on one line, and all of my checkboxes disappear. Would someone kindly point out what I'm missing? Thanks, Kenny From miraz at firstbite.co.nz Thu Jan 11 13:31:10 2007 From: miraz at firstbite.co.nz (Miraz Jordan) Date: Thu Jan 11 13:31:21 2007 Subject: how to get out of text-editing mode In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 1:08 PM -0800 1/11/07, kennyj wrote: >Paste >Insert a copy of the clipboard's current contents into the outline. >It is inserted at the text cursor or, if a row is selected, after >the selected row. Note that when you are in text-editing mode, the >lines get pasted into the row. When you are outside of text-editing >mode, the lines get pasted as individual rows. > >I've searched high and low, and I haven't been able to find anything >else referencing this "text-editing mode". >I'm trying to copy multiple lines from one OO file to another, but >when I paste, it all goes on one line, and all of my checkboxes >disappear. > >Would someone kindly point out what I'm missing? To paste rows from one OO file to another first make sure to Deselect All (from the Edit menu). The pasted material will then go in as rows. To paste material into a single row first place the cursor inside that row (editing mode). Cheers, Miraz -- I'm on my summer holiday until late January. Email replies may be slow or non-existent until then. From bcovey at omnigroup.com Thu Jan 11 14:06:16 2007 From: bcovey at omnigroup.com (Brian C.) Date: Thu Jan 11 14:06:18 2007 Subject: how to get out of text-editing mode In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <44C27364-058D-4447-9C8B-82469FC7D5D1@omnigroup.com> You can also hit the escape key, which pops you out of text-editing mode and into row-selection mode. Sincerely, Brian C. Support & QA Manager Omni Group On Jan 11, 2007, at 1:31 PM, Miraz Jordan wrote: > To paste rows from one OO file to another first make sure to > Deselect All (from the Edit menu). From DOUG at LERNER.NET Sun Jan 14 18:13:34 2007 From: DOUG at LERNER.NET (Doug Lerner) Date: Sun Jan 14 18:13:48 2007 Subject: OmniOutliner vs Tao (just a few newbie comments) Message-ID: I am still trying out OmniOutliner and also stumbled across a product called Tao. The name caught my attention because my beloved dog, also named Tao, passed away a couple of months ago at age 14 years 2 mos. Tao looks truly amazing. It has zillions of features and options and settings. And I can't get it to do anything. :) I can't even figure out consistently which menu to use to change a font! OmniOutliner seems to have many less features than Tao. But it is really easy to use and looks nice out-of-the-box. Tao's HTML export works better, it seems. But on the other hand it is almost impossible (for me anyway) to set up the outline to look anywhere near as nice as OmniOutliner. I think I will stick with OmniOutliner, but I hope that they improve the export functionality (I've sent some notes on this). Also Tao has this convenient feature called "cloning" which looks useful for sections that need to be cross-filed. Tao seems to be done by a single developer, so I bet the whole Omni group could catch up feature-wise if they wanted to and still keep OO's great look and feel! (^^ doug From doug at lerner.net Mon Jan 15 21:12:18 2007 From: doug at lerner.net (Doug Lerner) Date: Mon Jan 15 21:12:37 2007 Subject: Add sibling? Message-ID: If I want to add another level-one section what I usually do is: 1. Go to the previous section's level two. 2. Add Aunt. If I want to add a child to a level-one row what I do is: 1. Go the row. 2. Add child. But how do I add a "sibling" - a new level-one row if I am at "level one A": level one A level two A level two A2 level one B level two B What I want to add is "level one C" - a new section after level one B. Both "Add child" and "Add row" seem to add a child, if I am at level one B. doug From ERosenbloom at psu.edu Mon Jan 15 21:53:10 2007 From: ERosenbloom at psu.edu (Eliot Rosenbloom) Date: Mon Jan 15 21:53:30 2007 Subject: how to get out of text-editing mode Message-ID: For what it's worth, when I began learning oo a year or so ago, a more systematic explanation of precisely these issues was the Number 1 improvement I would have requested in the oo "manual." It took a fair amount of trial, error, and time, to figure these things out on my own. (And while I'm writing: Is there any way to paste into oo text which contains tabs in it, and have the tabs produce NOT new columns, but an option-tab character that moves text to the next tab stop?) Thanks, Eliot >At 1:08 PM -0800 1/11/07, kennyj wrote: >>Paste >>Insert a copy of the clipboard's current contents into the outline. >>It is inserted at the text cursor or, if a row is selected, after >>the selected row. Note that when you are in text-editing mode, the >>lines get pasted into the row. When you are outside of text-editing >>mode, the lines get pasted as individual rows. >> >>I've searched high and low, and I haven't been able to find >>anything else referencing this "text-editing mode". >>I'm trying to copy multiple lines from one OO file to another, but >>when I paste, it all goes on one line, and all of my checkboxes >>disappear. >> >>Would someone kindly point out what I'm missing? > >To paste rows from one OO file to another first make sure to >Deselect All (from the Edit menu). The pasted material will then go >in as rows. > >To paste material into a single row first place the cursor inside >that row (editing mode). > >Cheers, > >Miraz > >-- >I'm on my summer holiday until late January. Email replies may be >slow or non-existent until then. >_______________________________________________ >OmniOutliner-Users mailing list >OmniOutliner-Users@omnigroup.com >http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnioutliner-users -- Eliot Rosenbloom Human Development and Family Studies The Pennsylvania State University S-113 Henderson University Park, PA 16802 814-355-5687 ERosenbloom@psu.edu From curt.clifton at mac.com Tue Jan 16 04:15:05 2007 From: curt.clifton at mac.com (Curt Clifton) Date: Tue Jan 16 04:14:36 2007 Subject: Add sibling? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Doug, On Jan 16, 2007, at 12:12 AM, Doug Lerner wrote: > But how do I add a "sibling" - a new level-one row if I am at > "level one A": > > level one A > level two A > level two A2 > level one B > level two B > > What I want to add is "level one C" - a new section after level one B. > > Both "Add child" and "Add row" seem to add a child, if I am at > level one B. Take a look at the Keyboard preference called "New rows are created". The behavior you want is available via the "Always at the same level" option. Alternatively, you can hit left-arrow to collapse level one B, then press return to create a new sibling row. Cheers, Curt ---------------------------------- Curt Clifton, Asst. Professor Computer Science and Software Engineering Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology Phone: +1.812.877.8593 Home: http://www.rose-hulman.edu/~clifton Schedule: http://ical.mac.com/curt.clifton/Rose-Hulman From doug at lerner.net Tue Jan 16 05:41:58 2007 From: doug at lerner.net (Doug Lerner) Date: Tue Jan 16 05:42:10 2007 Subject: Add sibling? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1A4CFCE4-DF5B-40DB-BFC0-D2D9E411A3A0@lerner.net> On Jan 16, 2007, at 9:15 PM, Curt Clifton wrote: > Take a look at the Keyboard preference called "New rows are > created". The behavior you want is available via the "Always at > the same level" option. Thanks, Curt. That works! doug From jam at omnigroup.com Thu Jan 18 16:50:42 2007 From: jam at omnigroup.com (James Moore) Date: Thu Jan 18 16:50:49 2007 Subject: New version of the exports plugin available Message-ID: I've finally had time to work on some more exporters for OmniOutliner Pro. The new version of the export plugin includes a rudimentary Excel (XML) exporter and the LaTeX exporter that's been mostly done for over a year. You can download the new plugin from Please send all of your feedback to omnioutliner@omnigroup.com. -- -James OmniOutliner Product Manager Software Test Pilot The Omni Group From jlaudun at mac.com Fri Jan 19 12:22:08 2007 From: jlaudun at mac.com (Laudun John) Date: Fri Jan 19 12:40:51 2007 Subject: export plug-ins In-Reply-To: <20070119200022.CCCC212855B@dynamic-www.omnigroup.com> References: <20070119200022.CCCC212855B@dynamic-www.omnigroup.com> Message-ID: Thanks, James! From scott at pashazade.com Sat Jan 20 05:15:35 2007 From: scott at pashazade.com (Scott Hughes) Date: Sat Jan 20 05:15:48 2007 Subject: New version of the exports plugin available (James Moore) In-Reply-To: <20070119200022.B6338128559@dynamic-www.omnigroup.com> References: <20070119200022.B6338128559@dynamic-www.omnigroup.com> Message-ID: Note that their is an error in the URL, their is a spurious space before the zip file name (Well mine did!). The actual address is It was probably added by the listserv as I receive the digest and some people may get a valid URL? Regards Scott On 19 Jan 2007, at 20:00, omnioutliner-users-request@omnigroup.com wrote: > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 16:50:42 -0800 > From: James Moore > Subject: New version of the exports plugin available > To: OmniOutliner Users > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed > > I've finally had time to work on some more exporters for OmniOutliner > Pro. The new version of the export plugin includes a rudimentary > Excel (XML) exporter and the LaTeX exporter that's been mostly done > for over a year. You can download the new plugin from > > OmniOutlinerExportsPlugin.zip> > > Please send all of your feedback to omnioutliner@omnigroup.com. > > -- > -James > > OmniOutliner Product Manager > Software Test Pilot > The Omni Group > > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > OmniOutliner-Users mailing list > OmniOutliner-Users@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnioutliner-users > > > End of OmniOutliner-Users Digest, Vol 37, Issue 11 > ************************************************** From jam at omnigroup.com Mon Jan 22 10:48:57 2007 From: jam at omnigroup.com (James Moore) Date: Mon Jan 22 10:49:00 2007 Subject: New version of the exports plugin available (James Moore) In-Reply-To: References: <20070119200022.B6338128559@dynamic-www.omnigroup.com> Message-ID: <9E5CB520-8B1F-430D-8A28-191F5F101470@omnigroup.com> On Jan 20, 2007, at 5:15 AM, Scott Hughes wrote: > Note that their is an error in the URL, their is a spurious space > before the zip file name (Well mine did!). The actual address is > > OmniOutliner/OmniOutlinerExportsPlugin.zip> > > It was probably added by the listserv as I receive the digest and > some people may get a valid URL? > > Regards > > Scott > Here's a tinyurl in case any one is still having trouble: http://tinyurl.com/ysca2r -- -James OmniOutliner Product Manager Software Test Pilot The Omni Group From dmurray at well.com Sun Jan 28 09:07:17 2007 From: dmurray at well.com (Douglas Murray) Date: Sun Jan 28 09:13:50 2007 Subject: Feature request Message-ID: <4FEF958C-A3B2-4197-BBE8-20912CB3CB82@well.com> There's a lot of buzz about full screen text editors these days, with several OS X apps offering the 'distraction-free' feature: Write Room and Scrivener are two I've tried. It's not crucial to writing, but it is a nice feature for the easily distracted. Would it be possible to add this to OmniOutliner any time soon? Thanks, Doug Murray From jlaudun at mac.com Sun Jan 28 12:40:20 2007 From: jlaudun at mac.com (Laudun John) Date: Sun Jan 28 12:40:34 2007 Subject: full-screen In-Reply-To: <20070128200007.4539812C312@dynamic-www.omnigroup.com> References: <20070128200007.4539812C312@dynamic-www.omnigroup.com> Message-ID: <648920DF-D1D2-4155-B769-BBC8AE52DDCD@mac.com> I have to say, Douglas, that I would put being able to zoom text independent of font size much higher than a full-screen mode. But I should also note that I have never seen the real import of full- screen. That's just me. john laudun From DCDenison at globe.com Sun Jan 28 13:02:10 2007 From: DCDenison at globe.com (DCDenison@globe.com) Date: Sun Jan 28 13:08:33 2007 Subject: DC Denison is out of the office. Message-ID: I will be out of the office starting 01/23/2007 and will not return until 01/30/2007. From lists at mostrom.pp.se Sun Jan 28 13:16:25 2007 From: lists at mostrom.pp.se (=?UTF-8?Q?Jan_Erik_Mostr=C3=B6?= =?UTF-8?Q?m?=) Date: Sun Jan 28 13:17:00 2007 Subject: Keynote import - missing title Message-ID: I haven't used the Keynote import feature for a long time but I seem to remember that reading a keynote file would give me: slide title, bullets and notes. No I get notes only, no title and no bullet text. Is this the expected result? jem From clint.macdonald at ttuhsc.edu Sun Jan 28 15:38:58 2007 From: clint.macdonald at ttuhsc.edu (Clinton MacDonald) Date: Sun Jan 28 15:39:03 2007 Subject: full-screen In-Reply-To: <648920DF-D1D2-4155-B769-BBC8AE52DDCD@mac.com> References: <20070128200007.4539812C312@dynamic-www.omnigroup.com> <648920DF-D1D2-4155-B769-BBC8AE52DDCD@mac.com> Message-ID: Mr. Laudun: On Jan 28, 2007, at 2:40 PM, Laudun John wrote: > I have to say, Douglas, that I would put being able to zoom text > independent of font size much higher than a full-screen mode. I concur 100%!!!!! Without this feature, OmniOutliner is almost unusable for me (it's my old eyeballs ;-) ). > But I should also note that I have never seen the real import of > full-screen. That's just me. Full screen works for some (like me) who are easily distracted. It also can be quite soothing if one picks some contrasty but non-garish colors. Very retro (which also works for us old folks)! Best wishes, Clint -- Dr. Clinton C. MacDonald | From dmurray at well.com Sun Jan 28 19:56:23 2007 From: dmurray at well.com (Douglas Murray) Date: Sun Jan 28 19:56:25 2007 Subject: full-screen In-Reply-To: <648920DF-D1D2-4155-B769-BBC8AE52DDCD@mac.com> References: <20070128200007.4539812C312@dynamic-www.omnigroup.com> <648920DF-D1D2-4155-B769-BBC8AE52DDCD@mac.com> Message-ID: <781335D7-DA3E-432E-9671-D4107E207962@well.com> Changing the zoom on the document would be a more valuable addition to the feature set than full-screen mode, and almost all the features previously requested here are probably higher on the list than full- screen mode. But it would be a nice feature, nevertheless. And in my ignorance I'd like to think it would be easy to add. I find the simplicity of the full-screen editors attractive. It may be a bit of a fad at the moment, but it's a useful way to encourage focus on one document. Douglas On Jan 28, 2007, at 12:40 PM, Laudun John wrote: > > > I have to say, Douglas, that I would put being able to zoom text > independent of font size much higher than a full-screen mode. But I > should also note that I have never seen the real import of full- > screen. That's just me. > > john laudun > > _______________________________________________ > OmniOutliner-Users mailing list > OmniOutliner-Users@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnioutliner-users > From dmo at omnigroup.com Mon Jan 29 14:01:16 2007 From: dmo at omnigroup.com (Derek Motonaga) Date: Mon Jan 29 14:01:23 2007 Subject: Keynote import - missing title In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <59454896-ABDD-4AA7-9013-6EC7A567AA43@omnigroup.com> Hi Jem- OO will import Keynote 1 and 2 files but KN 3 doesn't really work right now. You should be able to save your keynote file in the iWork format however and get your text imported that way. -- Derek M. Support Ninja The Omni Group On Jan 28, 2007, at 1:16 PM, Jan Erik Mostr?m wrote: > I haven't used the Keynote import feature for a long time but I > seem to remember that reading a keynote file would give me: slide > title, bullets and notes. No I get notes only, no title and no > bullet text. Is this the expected result? > > jem > _______________________________________________ > OmniOutliner-Users mailing list > OmniOutliner-Users@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnioutliner-users From dmo at omnigroup.com Mon Jan 29 14:04:04 2007 From: dmo at omnigroup.com (Derek Motonaga) Date: Mon Jan 29 14:04:05 2007 Subject: full-screen In-Reply-To: <781335D7-DA3E-432E-9671-D4107E207962@well.com> References: <20070128200007.4539812C312@dynamic-www.omnigroup.com> <648920DF-D1D2-4155-B769-BBC8AE52DDCD@mac.com> <781335D7-DA3E-432E-9671-D4107E207962@well.com> Message-ID: <4372CD1A-90BE-4E7B-B9AD-A4A7D65445C0@omnigroup.com> We will be adding zooming for OO4. I'll put your votes in for the full screen mode. -- Derek M. Support Ninja The Omni Group On Jan 28, 2007, at 7:56 PM, Douglas Murray wrote: > Changing the zoom on the document would be a more valuable addition > to the feature set than full-screen mode, and almost all the > features previously requested here are probably higher on the list > than full-screen mode. But it would be a nice feature, > nevertheless. And in my ignorance I'd like to think it would be > easy to add. > > I find the simplicity of the full-screen editors attractive. It may > be a bit of a fad at the moment, but it's a useful way to encourage > focus on one document. > > Douglas > > > On Jan 28, 2007, at 12:40 PM, Laudun John wrote: > >> >> >> I have to say, Douglas, that I would put being able to zoom text >> independent of font size much higher than a full-screen mode. But >> I should also note that I have never seen the real import of full- >> screen. That's just me. >> >> john laudun >> >> _______________________________________________ >> OmniOutliner-Users mailing list >> OmniOutliner-Users@omnigroup.com >> http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnioutliner-users >> > > _______________________________________________ > OmniOutliner-Users mailing list > OmniOutliner-Users@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnioutliner-users From clint.macdonald at ttuhsc.edu Mon Jan 29 15:12:31 2007 From: clint.macdonald at ttuhsc.edu (Clinton MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 29 15:40:57 2007 Subject: full-screen In-Reply-To: <4372CD1A-90BE-4E7B-B9AD-A4A7D65445C0@omnigroup.com> References: <20070128200007.4539812C312@dynamic-www.omnigroup.com> <648920DF-D1D2-4155-B769-BBC8AE52DDCD@mac.com> <781335D7-DA3E-432E-9671-D4107E207962@well.com> <4372CD1A-90BE-4E7B-B9AD-A4A7D65445C0@omnigroup.com> Message-ID: <0BF3DAED-21B3-4DEC-A2EC-C4A86BA4D283@ttuhsc.edu> Mr. Motonaga: On Jan 29, 2007, at 4:04 PM, Derek Motonaga wrote: > We will be adding zooming for OO4. I'll put your votes in for the > full screen mode. Yahooooooo! Best wishes, Clint -- Dr. Clinton C. MacDonald | From jlaudun at mac.com Mon Jan 29 18:59:48 2007 From: jlaudun at mac.com (Laudun John) Date: Mon Jan 29 19:00:04 2007 Subject: full-screen In-Reply-To: <4372CD1A-90BE-4E7B-B9AD-A4A7D65445C0@omnigroup.com> References: <20070128200007.4539812C312@dynamic-www.omnigroup.com> <648920DF-D1D2-4155-B769-BBC8AE52DDCD@mac.com> <781335D7-DA3E-432E-9671-D4107E207962@well.com> <4372CD1A-90BE-4E7B-B9AD-A4A7D65445C0@omnigroup.com> Message-ID: On Jan 29, 2007, at 4:04 PM, Derek Motonaga wrote: > We will be adding zooming for OO4. I'll put your votes in for the > full screen mode. "will be" or "already have and you will be impressed with how soon OO4 is coming"? ;) john From jam at omnigroup.com Tue Jan 30 11:50:43 2007 From: jam at omnigroup.com (James Moore) Date: Tue Jan 30 11:50:47 2007 Subject: full-screen In-Reply-To: References: <20070128200007.4539812C312@dynamic-www.omnigroup.com> <648920DF-D1D2-4155-B769-BBC8AE52DDCD@mac.com> <781335D7-DA3E-432E-9671-D4107E207962@well.com> <4372CD1A-90BE-4E7B-B9AD-A4A7D65445C0@omnigroup.com> Message-ID: Well, I don't want to give anyone the impression that OmniOutliner 4 is around the corner. We're "focusing" our Outliner engineers on developing OmniFocus right now. Fortunately OmniFocus shares quite a bit of code with Outliner and the architectural work we're doing now is going to benefit Outliner once we shift back in its direction. Once you see OmniFocus you'll have an idea about the direction we're going with OmniOutliner 4. I think we're going to be posting a screenshot of OmniFocus to our blog this week. BTW, we're looking for at least one more Cocoa developer: http://www.omnigroup.com/company/jobs/ -- -James OmniOutliner Product Manager Software Test Pilot The Omni Group On Jan 29, 2007, at 6:59 PM, Laudun John wrote: > > On Jan 29, 2007, at 4:04 PM, Derek Motonaga wrote: > >> We will be adding zooming for OO4. I'll put your votes in for the >> full screen mode. > > "will be" or "already have and you will be impressed with how soon > OO4 is coming"? > > ;) > > john > > _______________________________________________ > OmniOutliner-Users mailing list > OmniOutliner-Users@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnioutliner-users From jbredijk at yahoo.com Wed Jan 31 04:28:37 2007 From: jbredijk at yahoo.com (James Bredijk) Date: Wed Jan 31 04:28:42 2007 Subject: full-screen In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <915879.56141.qm@web35210.mail.mud.yahoo.com> BTW, if you hide the Toolbar, hide the Utility Drawer and maximize the window you get pretty much a full screen version of OO. All that's left is that small section at the top with the 'styles' popup menu and the text alignment buttons. James B --- James Moore wrote: > Well, I don't want to give anyone the impression that OmniOutliner 4 > is around the corner. We're "focusing" our Outliner engineers on > developing OmniFocus right now. Fortunately OmniFocus shares quite a > bit of code with Outliner and the architectural work we're doing now > is going to benefit Outliner once we shift back in its direction. > Once you see OmniFocus you'll have an idea about the direction we're > going with OmniOutliner 4. I think we're going to be posting a > screenshot of OmniFocus to our blog this week. > > BTW, we're looking for at least one more Cocoa developer: > > http://www.omnigroup.com/company/jobs/ > > -- > -James > > OmniOutliner Product Manager > Software Test Pilot > The Omni Group > > On Jan 29, 2007, at 6:59 PM, Laudun John wrote: > > > > > On Jan 29, 2007, at 4:04 PM, Derek Motonaga wrote: > > > >> We will be adding zooming for OO4. I'll put your votes in for the > >> full screen mode. > > > > "will be" or "already have and you will be impressed with how soon > > OO4 is coming"? > > > > ;) > > > > john > > > > _______________________________________________ > > OmniOutliner-Users mailing list > > OmniOutliner-Users@omnigroup.com > > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnioutliner-users > > > > _______________________________________________ > OmniOutliner-Users mailing list > OmniOutliner-Users@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnioutliner-users > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Need a quick answer? Get one in minutes from people who know. Ask your question on www.Answers.yahoo.com From jam at omnigroup.com Wed Jan 31 11:13:45 2007 From: jam at omnigroup.com (James Moore) Date: Wed Jan 31 11:13:48 2007 Subject: full-screen In-Reply-To: <915879.56141.qm@web35210.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <915879.56141.qm@web35210.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: The section James is referring to is the ruler. You can toggle that with cmd-r. -- -James OmniOutliner Product Manager Software Test Pilot The Omni Group On Jan 31, 2007, at 4:28 AM, James Bredijk wrote: > BTW, if you hide the Toolbar, hide the Utility Drawer and maximize > the window > you get pretty much a full screen version of OO. All that's left is > that small > section at the top with the 'styles' popup menu and the text > alignment buttons. > > James B > > --- James Moore wrote: > >> Well, I don't want to give anyone the impression that OmniOutliner 4 >> is around the corner. We're "focusing" our Outliner engineers on >> developing OmniFocus right now. Fortunately OmniFocus shares quite a >> bit of code with Outliner and the architectural work we're doing now >> is going to benefit Outliner once we shift back in its direction. >> Once you see OmniFocus you'll have an idea about the direction we're >> going with OmniOutliner 4. I think we're going to be posting a >> screenshot of OmniFocus to our blog this week. >> >> BTW, we're looking for at least one more Cocoa developer: >> >> http://www.omnigroup.com/company/jobs/ >> >> -- >> -James >> >> OmniOutliner Product Manager >> Software Test Pilot >> The Omni Group >> >> On Jan 29, 2007, at 6:59 PM, Laudun John wrote: >> >>> >>> On Jan 29, 2007, at 4:04 PM, Derek Motonaga wrote: >>> >>>> We will be adding zooming for OO4. I'll put your votes in for the >>>> full screen mode. >>> >>> "will be" or "already have and you will be impressed with how soon >>> OO4 is coming"? >>> >>> ;) >>> >>> john >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> OmniOutliner-Users mailing list >>> OmniOutliner-Users@omnigroup.com >>> http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnioutliner-users >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> OmniOutliner-Users mailing list >> OmniOutliner-Users@omnigroup.com >> http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnioutliner-users >> > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > ______________ > Need a quick answer? Get one in minutes from people who know. > Ask your question on www.Answers.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > OmniOutliner-Users mailing list > OmniOutliner-Users@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnioutliner-users From dmurray at well.com Wed Jan 31 11:46:17 2007 From: dmurray at well.com (Douglas Murray) Date: Wed Jan 31 11:46:26 2007 Subject: full-screen In-Reply-To: References: <915879.56141.qm@web35210.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Thanks to the Jameses I now have a poor man's full-screen mode. Not as focused as the menubar-free modes in WriteRoom or Scrivener, etc., but quite uncluttered. This wide window technique would work best on a smaller screen. A column of text gets hard to follow if it's wider than a standard sheet of paper. And I'm delighted we can have zooming someday! Douglas On Jan 31, 2007, at 11:13 AM, James Moore wrote: > The section James is referring to is the ruler. You can toggle that > with cmd-r. > > -- > -James > > OmniOutliner Product Manager > Software Test Pilot > The Omni Group > > > On Jan 31, 2007, at 4:28 AM, James Bredijk wrote: > >> BTW, if you hide the Toolbar, hide the Utility Drawer and maximize >> the window >> you get pretty much a full screen version of OO. All that's left >> is that small >> section at the top with the 'styles' popup menu and the text >> alignment buttons. >> >> James B >> >> --- James Moore wrote: >> >>> Well, I don't want to give anyone the impression that OmniOutliner 4 >>> is around the corner. We're "focusing" our Outliner engineers on >>> developing OmniFocus right now. Fortunately OmniFocus shares quite a >>> bit of code with Outliner and the architectural work we're doing now >>> is going to benefit Outliner once we shift back in its direction. >>> Once you see OmniFocus you'll have an idea about the direction we're >>> going with OmniOutliner 4. I think we're going to be posting a >>> screenshot of OmniFocus to our blog this week. >>> >>> BTW, we're looking for at least one more Cocoa developer: >>> >>> http://www.omnigroup.com/company/jobs/ >>> >>> -- >>> -James >>> >>> OmniOutliner Product Manager >>> Software Test Pilot >>> The Omni Group >>> >>> On Jan 29, 2007, at 6:59 PM, Laudun John wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> On Jan 29, 2007, at 4:04 PM, Derek Motonaga wrote: >>>> >>>>> We will be adding zooming for OO4. I'll put your votes in for the >>>>> full screen mode. >>>> >>>> "will be" or "already have and you will be impressed with how soon >>>> OO4 is coming"? >>>> >>>> ;) >>>> >>>> john >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> OmniOutliner-Users mailing list >>>> OmniOutliner-Users@omnigroup.com >>>> http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnioutliner-users >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> OmniOutliner-Users mailing list >>> OmniOutliner-Users@omnigroup.com >>> http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnioutliner-users >>> >> >> >> >> >> _____________________________________________________________________ >> _______________ >> Need a quick answer? Get one in minutes from people who know. >> Ask your question on www.Answers.yahoo.com >> _______________________________________________ >> OmniOutliner-Users mailing list >> OmniOutliner-Users@omnigroup.com >> http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnioutliner-users > > _______________________________________________ > OmniOutliner-Users mailing list > OmniOutliner-Users@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnioutliner-users > From kc at omnigroup.com Wed Jan 31 11:58:40 2007 From: kc at omnigroup.com (Ken Case) Date: Wed Jan 31 11:58:43 2007 Subject: full-screen In-Reply-To: References: <915879.56141.qm@web35210.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Jan 31, 2007, at 11:46 AM, Douglas Murray wrote: > Thanks to the Jameses I now have a poor man's full-screen mode. Not > as focused as the menubar-free modes in WriteRoom or Scrivener, > etc., but quite uncluttered. This wide window technique would work > best on a smaller screen. A column of text gets hard to follow if > it's wider than a standard sheet of paper. I'm glad you've figured out an approach to doing this! I just thought I'd also mention that OmniDazzle has a Focal Point effect which can focus your attention on one window by dimming everything else on the screen. (In fact, Focal Point isn't limited to a simple "dim" operation, it can turn the rest of the screen completely black or white or transparent blue or whatever.) You can test-drive a free demo of OmniDazzle at . Cheers, Ken From kei.ishii at gmail.com Wed Jan 31 12:01:19 2007 From: kei.ishii at gmail.com (Kei Ishii) Date: Wed Jan 31 12:01:35 2007 Subject: full-screen In-Reply-To: References: <915879.56141.qm@web35210.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: There is a little program called MenuShade which let you change the brightness of the menu bar, down to black. [] And if you don't like to be distracted by the desktop, Backdrop might be helping. [] None of them related in any way to me, I didn't even discover them ;-), but read about "Minimize distractions on your Mac" in 43folders. [] Cheers, Kei (yet another OOP user waiting impatiently for the zooming feature ^_^) On 31.01.2007, at 20:46, Douglas Murray wrote: > Thanks to the Jameses I now have a poor man's full-screen mode. Not > as focused as the menubar-free modes in WriteRoom or Scrivener, > etc., but quite uncluttered. This wide window technique would work > best on a smaller screen. A column of text gets hard to follow if > it's wider than a standard sheet of paper. > > And I'm delighted we can have zooming someday! > > Douglas > > On Jan 31, 2007, at 11:13 AM, James Moore wrote: > >> The section James is referring to is the ruler. You can toggle >> that with cmd-r. >> >> -- >> -James >> >> OmniOutliner Product Manager >> Software Test Pilot >> The Omni Group >> >> >> On Jan 31, 2007, at 4:28 AM, James Bredijk wrote: >> >>> BTW, if you hide the Toolbar, hide the Utility Drawer and >>> maximize the window >>> you get pretty much a full screen version of OO. All that's left >>> is that small >>> section at the top with the 'styles' popup menu and the text >>> alignment buttons. >>> >>> James B >>> >>> --- James Moore wrote: >>> >>>> Well, I don't want to give anyone the impression that >>>> OmniOutliner 4 >>>> is around the corner. We're "focusing" our Outliner engineers on >>>> developing OmniFocus right now. Fortunately OmniFocus shares >>>> quite a >>>> bit of code with Outliner and the architectural work we're doing >>>> now >>>> is going to benefit Outliner once we shift back in its direction. >>>> Once you see OmniFocus you'll have an idea about the direction >>>> we're >>>> going with OmniOutliner 4. I think we're going to be posting a >>>> screenshot of OmniFocus to our blog this week. >>>> >>>> BTW, we're looking for at least one more Cocoa developer: >>>> >>>> http://www.omnigroup.com/company/jobs/ >>>> >>>> -- >>>> -James >>>> >>>> OmniOutliner Product Manager >>>> Software Test Pilot >>>> The Omni Group >>>> >>>> On Jan 29, 2007, at 6:59 PM, Laudun John wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Jan 29, 2007, at 4:04 PM, Derek Motonaga wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> We will be adding zooming for OO4. I'll put your votes in for the >>>>>> full screen mode. >>>>> >>>>> "will be" or "already have and you will be impressed with how soon >>>>> OO4 is coming"? >>>>> >>>>> ;) >>>>> >>>>> john >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> OmniOutliner-Users mailing list >>>>> OmniOutliner-Users@omnigroup.com >>>>> http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnioutliner-users >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> OmniOutliner-Users mailing list >>>> OmniOutliner-Users@omnigroup.com >>>> http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnioutliner-users >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ____________________________________________________________________ >>> ________________ >>> Need a quick answer? Get one in minutes from people who know. >>> Ask your question on www.Answers.yahoo.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> OmniOutliner-Users mailing list >>> OmniOutliner-Users@omnigroup.com >>> http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnioutliner-users >> >> _______________________________________________ >> OmniOutliner-Users mailing list >> OmniOutliner-Users@omnigroup.com >> http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnioutliner-users >> > > _______________________________________________ > OmniOutliner-Users mailing list > OmniOutliner-Users@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnioutliner-users From jlaudun at mac.com Wed Jan 31 12:09:50 2007 From: jlaudun at mac.com (Laudun John) Date: Wed Jan 31 12:10:12 2007 Subject: Ken's cross-product promotion schemes In-Reply-To: <20070131200008.A38A712DBCD@dynamic-www.omnigroup.com> References: <20070131200008.A38A712DBCD@dynamic-www.omnigroup.com> Message-ID: <05AFF7CD-1E60-413B-AE9E-723BDC0112F7@mac.com> > You can test-drive a free demo of OmniDazzle at www.omnigroup.com/applications/omnidazzle/>. > > Cheers, > Ken Who let the marketing mob into the list? ;) From doug at lerner.net Sat Feb 3 16:56:02 2007 From: doug at lerner.net (Doug Lerner) Date: Sat Feb 3 16:56:20 2007 Subject: Question about auto-save Message-ID: In my preferences, it is set to auto-save the document every 5 minutes. I wonder why, then, when I quit the program hours after last touching the document I get a dialog asking me if I want to save the changes I've made... Thanks, doug From njriley at uiuc.edu Sat Feb 3 17:10:15 2007 From: njriley at uiuc.edu (Nicholas Riley) Date: Sat Feb 3 17:10:28 2007 Subject: Question about auto-save In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20070204011015.GB94863@uiuc.edu> On Sun, Feb 04, 2007 at 09:56:02AM +0900, Doug Lerner wrote: > In my preferences, it is set to auto-save the document every 5 minutes. > > I wonder why, then, when I quit the program hours after last touching > the document I get a dialog asking me if I want to save the changes > I've made... You may not have actually wanted to save the document; commands like "revert" or "close, don't save" always work with respect to the last time _you_ saved, not the last time it auto-saved. This is useful if you manage to delete your entire document, then an auto-save happens one second later. :-) If there's an auto-saved version of your document newer than the last one you saved, OmniOutliner will let you know. -- Nicholas Riley | From BRYAN_GUCWA at fitnyc.edu Sun Feb 4 12:00:35 2007 From: BRYAN_GUCWA at fitnyc.edu (BRYAN GUCWA) Date: Sun Feb 4 12:18:53 2007 Subject: automated response Message-ID: <10702041500.AA63757@fitmail.fitsuny.edu> I will be out of the office with very limited email contact until Monday, Feb 12, 2007. Please don't hesitate to contact the IT Windows Group via itwindows@fitnyc.edu - or forward your request through Gus Dickson, at 212-217-3416 From rcobleigh at gmail.com Sat Feb 10 11:20:19 2007 From: rcobleigh at gmail.com (Rachel Cobleigh) Date: Sat Feb 10 11:20:21 2007 Subject: Style Attributes inspector bug / usability issue Message-ID: <15300b5e0702101120u222022dfmb91ef738d6199f1b@mail.gmail.com> There's a little annoyance in OmniOutliner that I run into fairly often, when I copy-and-paste text from some other program into an OmniOutliner document. The text comes in with the formatting that it had in the other program, and when I go to the Style Attributes inspector and I click on those little white-'x'-in-gray-circle icons to remove the undesirable formatting, I sometimes can't get the GUI to respond to my clicks. Say, if I click 2 or 3 of those icons successfully and then go to click on the fourth one, the fourth one just won't respond. I've tried starting from the bottom of the list of formatting info and starting from the top, I've tried waiting for a while between clicks, etc., but the only thing I can do is move the mouse away and then come back again, and then the GUI responds to the click on the fourth icon. Is there some delay because it's processing an earlier click and it has to redraw the contents of the Style Attributes inspector? Alternatively, it would be nice to have the option of clicking on such an icon in the dark gray header for each section in the Style Attributes inspector, so you could choose to remove all the style attributes in that section with one click. Or have a user preference that lets the user tell OmniOutliner to drop certain types of text formatting (e.g., font face and font size) when pasting in text from the clipboard, and to adopt the text formatting of the outline item before it or something. Thanks, Rachel From curt.clifton at mac.com Sat Feb 10 11:27:58 2007 From: curt.clifton at mac.com (Curt Clifton) Date: Sat Feb 10 11:28:09 2007 Subject: Style Attributes inspector bug / usability issue In-Reply-To: <15300b5e0702101120u222022dfmb91ef738d6199f1b@mail.gmail.com> References: <15300b5e0702101120u222022dfmb91ef738d6199f1b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <81C5F690-D64A-46A5-AB60-AC6E70D09023@mac.com> Rachel, On Feb 10, 2007, at 2:20 PM, Rachel Cobleigh wrote: > Or have a user preference > that lets the user tell OmniOutliner to drop certain types of text > formatting (e.g., font face and font size) when pasting in text from > the clipboard, and to adopt the text formatting of the outline item > before it or something. Have you noticed the Paste with Current Style option on the Edit menu? Cheers, Curt ---------------------------------- Curt Clifton, Asst. Professor Computer Science and Software Engineering Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology Phone: +1.812.877.8593 Home: http://www.rose-hulman.edu/~clifton Schedule: http://ical.mac.com/curt.clifton/Rose-Hulman From felix.s.tang at gmail.com Sun Feb 11 10:06:56 2007 From: felix.s.tang at gmail.com (Felix TANG) Date: Sun Feb 11 10:07:00 2007 Subject: [questions] Message-ID: <7e9bf9f00702111006u1153a336j3372dea9a60c6dbe@mail.gmail.com> Hello, Any ideas on possible solutions or workarounds? 1. Typing at the bottom of a window is difficult in terms of user input. You can't scroll past the bottom of the text. 2. How come text loses formatting when we indent or outdent? 3. is there an easy way to know how what level child you are working on? In long texts, I am continually getting lost. Thanks, Felix -- Those who restrain desire, do so because theirs is weak enough to be restrained; and the restrainer or Reason usurps its place & governs the unwilling. William Blake From jlaudun at mac.com Sun Feb 11 19:38:56 2007 From: jlaudun at mac.com (Laudun John) Date: Sun Feb 11 19:39:07 2007 Subject: [questions] In-Reply-To: <20070211200005.32EC7133225@dynamic-www.omnigroup.com> References: <20070211200005.32EC7133225@dynamic-www.omnigroup.com> Message-ID: <8F8F44FA-8A0C-41D1-BE73-4C1EF5CFFAAF@mac.com> > 1. Typing at the bottom of a window is difficult in terms of user > input. You can't scroll past the bottom of the text. This has always annoyed me, too. My workaround is to always keep an empty Level 1 row there, or, if the emptiness is not enough, with some arbitrary typographical symbol that reminds you not to fill that row. I'm kind of hoping that we get some sort of optional status bar along the bottom edge of OO4's window. A window without a bottom sash just doesn't feel right. > > 2. How come text loses formatting when we indent or outdent? Maybe I'm missing your question entirely, but the simple answer here is that text to conforms to whatever the style of that level is: so if you indent a Level 4 row, that row will get the style of a Level 5 row. If you open the tools drawer -- using the CMD + CTRL + T (here's my shout out in James and Derek's direction that CMD + OPT + T is more like the Finder and Pages) -- you can select all the rows of a particular level and then using the palettes assign them all the particularities of style you can imagine. Let me say this: OO's style management is simply one of the easiest I have every dealt with. OO makes managing styles in Word and Mellel look like the overly-complicated processes they are. > > 3. is there an easy way to know how what level child you are working > on? In long texts, I am continually getting lost. No help here. Sorry. (Though, obviously, having a clear set of styles would tell you.) john From ls at fortus.se Tue Feb 13 06:44:46 2007 From: ls at fortus.se (Leif Stenudd) Date: Tue Feb 13 06:45:15 2007 Subject: OmniOutliner-Users Digest, Vol 38, Issue 6 In-Reply-To: <20070212200011.CDB7F13373F@dynamic-www.omnigroup.com> References: <20070212200011.CDB7F13373F@dynamic-www.omnigroup.com> Message-ID: <77E487D5-48B0-48B1-8A3D-51F9C9B6DB7F@fortus.se> *Regarding item 2 below: I have been asking myself how to solve this situation: Let us say I am at writing something on level 2 under "item B - level 1. Now I don't want to have the same style on my level 2 items as is default by the style pallet. Say I want to have numbers instead of default small letters. So my question: Is it possible to change that in an easy way (like in MORE - I don't know if it is OK to mention that as bench-mark... ;-) ) by highlighing item B and instruct that his "children" should be "by numbers" regardless how many they will be.. Hope you understand my question Best regards Leif 12 feb 2007 kl. 21.00 skrev omnioutliner-users-request@omnigroup.com: > Send OmniOutliner-Users mailing list submissions to > omnioutliner-users@omnigroup.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnioutliner-users > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > omnioutliner-users-request@omnigroup.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > omnioutliner-users-owner@omnigroup.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of OmniOutliner-Users digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: [questions] (Laudun John) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 21:38:56 -0600 > From: Laudun John > Subject: Re: [questions] > To: omnioutliner-users@omnigroup.com > Message-ID: <8F8F44FA-8A0C-41D1-BE73-4C1EF5CFFAAF@mac.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed > >> 1. Typing at the bottom of a window is difficult in terms of user >> input. You can't scroll past the bottom of the text. > > This has always annoyed me, too. My workaround is to always keep an > empty Level 1 row there, or, if the emptiness is not enough, with > some arbitrary typographical symbol that reminds you not to fill that > row. I'm kind of hoping that we get some sort of optional status bar > along the bottom edge of OO4's window. A window without a bottom sash > just doesn't feel right. > >> >> 2. How come text loses formatting when we indent or outdent? > > Maybe I'm missing your question entirely, but the simple answer here > is that text to conforms to whatever the style of that level is: so > if you indent a Level 4 row, that row will get the style of a Level 5 > row. If you open the tools drawer -- using the CMD + CTRL + T (here's > my shout out in James and Derek's direction that CMD + OPT + T is > more like the Finder and Pages) -- you can select all the rows of a > particular level and then using the palettes assign them all the > particularities of style you can imagine. > > Let me say this: OO's style management is simply one of the easiest I > have every dealt with. OO makes managing styles in Word and Mellel > look like the overly-complicated processes they are. > >> >> 3. is there an easy way to know how what level child you are working >> on? In long texts, I am continually getting lost. > > No help here. Sorry. (Though, obviously, having a clear set of styles > would tell you.) > > john > > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > OmniOutliner-Users mailing list > OmniOutliner-Users@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnioutliner-users > > > End of OmniOutliner-Users Digest, Vol 38, Issue 6 > ************************************************* From dmo at omnigroup.com Tue Feb 13 12:19:23 2007 From: dmo at omnigroup.com (Derek Motonaga) Date: Tue Feb 13 12:19:27 2007 Subject: OmniOutliner-Users Digest, Vol 38, Issue 6 In-Reply-To: <77E487D5-48B0-48B1-8A3D-51F9C9B6DB7F@fortus.se> References: <20070212200011.CDB7F13373F@dynamic-www.omnigroup.com> <77E487D5-48B0-48B1-8A3D-51F9C9B6DB7F@fortus.se> Message-ID: Hi Leif- To do this, you want to use the Style View. If you hover the cursor over the boxes that appear, you'll see that they correspond to a style level. The 2nd from the left on row "item B - level 1" will be for the children of that row. Select that box and change the style/ drag a named style to it. -- Derek M. Support Ninja The Omni Group On Feb 13, 2007, at 6:44 AM, Leif Stenudd wrote: > *Regarding item 2 below: > > I have been asking myself how to solve this situation: > > Let us say I am at writing something on level 2 under "item B - > level 1. > Now I don't want to have the same style on my level 2 items as is > default by the style pallet. Say I want to have numbers instead of > default small letters. So my question: Is it possible to change > that in an easy way (like in MORE - I don't know if it is OK to > mention that as bench-mark... ;-) ) by highlighing item B and > instruct that his "children" should be "by numbers" regardless how > many they will be.. > > Hope you understand my question > > Best regards > Leif From dmo at omnigroup.com Tue Feb 13 13:08:53 2007 From: dmo at omnigroup.com (Derek Motonaga) Date: Tue Feb 13 13:08:57 2007 Subject: [questions] In-Reply-To: <8F8F44FA-8A0C-41D1-BE73-4C1EF5CFFAAF@mac.com> References: <20070211200005.32EC7133225@dynamic-www.omnigroup.com> <8F8F44FA-8A0C-41D1-BE73-4C1EF5CFFAAF@mac.com> Message-ID: On Feb 11, 2007, at 7:38 PM, Laudun John wrote: >> 1. Typing at the bottom of a window is difficult in terms of user >> input. You can't scroll past the bottom of the text. > > This has always annoyed me, too. My workaround is to always keep an > empty Level 1 row there, or, if the emptiness is not enough, with > some arbitrary typographical symbol that reminds you not to fill > that row. I'm kind of hoping that we get some sort of optional > status bar along the bottom edge of OO4's window. A window without > a bottom sash just doesn't feel right. This'll be dealt with in OO4. > >> >> 3. is there an easy way to know how what level child you are working >> on? In long texts, I am continually getting lost. > > No help here. Sorry. (Though, obviously, having a clear set of > styles would tell you.) > If you had level styles set, you could look at the style inspector and you'll see it listed there. Or you can go to the style palette in the utility drawer and select the level styles until it highlights the row you're on. Other then that... nothing comes to mind, you could write an AppleScript to tell you. -- Derek M. Support Ninja The Omni Group From gadifer at gmail.com Wed Feb 14 04:52:02 2007 From: gadifer at gmail.com (Marc Osborne) Date: Wed Feb 14 04:52:09 2007 Subject: Changing default behavior for children vs notes Message-ID: Hello Everyone, I'm a very new user of OmniOutliner Pro. When I create an outline and want to go back to add a child to an existing row I have to go to Reorganize/Add Child (or use the keyboard shortcut). I'd rather just position the cursor at the end of the existing row and press Enter/Tab to create the child but pressing Enter at the end of an existing row currently creates a note. Is there a way to change this behavior? Thanks, Marc From kc at omnigroup.com Wed Feb 14 05:02:24 2007 From: kc at omnigroup.com (Ken Case) Date: Wed Feb 14 05:02:29 2007 Subject: Changing default behavior for children vs notes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0843B463-105B-45F9-ABEE-5C2D8CBB05A9@omnigroup.com> On Feb 14, 2007, at 4:52 AM, Marc Osborne wrote: > I'm a very new user of OmniOutliner Pro. Welcome! > When I create an outline and want to go back to add a child to an > existing row I have to go to Reorganize/Add Child (or use the > keyboard shortcut). I'd rather just position the cursor at the end > of the existing row and press Enter/Tab to create the child [...] No problem, just use Return rather than Enter. As you discovered, Enter takes you to/from the note field; Return will create a new empty row. Hope this helps! Ken From gadifer at gmail.com Wed Feb 14 05:08:14 2007 From: gadifer at gmail.com (Marc Osborne) Date: Wed Feb 14 05:08:20 2007 Subject: Changing default behavior for children vs notes In-Reply-To: <0843B463-105B-45F9-ABEE-5C2D8CBB05A9@omnigroup.com> References: <0843B463-105B-45F9-ABEE-5C2D8CBB05A9@omnigroup.com> Message-ID: Thank you. Would that all of life were so simple and elegant as your quick response. On 2/14/07, Ken Case wrote: > On Feb 14, 2007, at 4:52 AM, Marc Osborne wrote: > > I'm a very new user of OmniOutliner Pro. > > Welcome! > > > When I create an outline and want to go back to add a child to an > > existing row I have to go to Reorganize/Add Child (or use the > > keyboard shortcut). I'd rather just position the cursor at the end > > of the existing row and press Enter/Tab to create the child [...] > > No problem, just use Return rather than Enter. As you discovered, > Enter takes you to/from the note field; Return will create a new > empty row. > > Hope this helps! > > Ken > > From mbnmac at gmail.com Sun Feb 18 03:05:01 2007 From: mbnmac at gmail.com (martin booth) Date: Sun Feb 18 03:19:56 2007 Subject: Selecting multiple 'cells' Message-ID: <65B74465-BB0F-4AFA-A356-1BE8A638B756@gmail.com> For the project I am doing as part of language revision, I'm using the outliner as a spreadhseet. I want to be able to pick certain cells, for instance; in the first column I have a list of words, I want to select a portion of those words, without selecting the whole column, or the whole row of each. How is this possible? there seems to be no help. Thanks for any help, hope it makes sense. -MBN From tuomo.suominen at wsoy.fi Sun Feb 18 18:00:09 2007 From: tuomo.suominen at wsoy.fi (Tuomo Suominen) Date: Sun Feb 18 17:59:36 2007 Subject: Tuomo Suominen/Kustantamopalvelut/Yleinen kirjallisuus/WSOY/fi is out of the office. Message-ID: I will be out of the office starting 16.02.2007 and will not return until 26.02.2007. From omni_groupie at unithom.com Sun Feb 25 15:19:24 2007 From: omni_groupie at unithom.com (Thom Brooks) Date: Sun Feb 25 15:48:28 2007 Subject: New version of the exports plugin available In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I created a multi-column outline in OOP (about the current state of vendors who offer "Donate now, online!" type services, if anyone is interested.) The report includes the URL for each company's website. I then realized I needed to share it with folks from my camp. (http://www.specialdays.org/ ) Crap, everyone else is on a PC. But wait a minute... Woo, the Excel plugin! I got excited and installed it, exported from OOP and opened the XML file in Excel. Then I realized that all of those nifty 'URL Objects' (I guess they're called Attachments - funny, I just typed in some text) didn't get exported. I checked the XML source to be sure. Then a few minutes later, Excel crashed, too. (I didn't do anything -- I was too busy writing this email!) Is this a known issue? Is there an easy fix? In the meantime, can I just tell OOP to stop being so #$@%#$@% 'clever' and just keep my URLs as text, so they'll export properly? I tried changing the View -> attachments to be 'Inline', which makes them _look_ normal, but I suspect they're still being stored in that nifty way internally. More importantly, can I convert a bunch of existing URL objects ... attachments... whatever... to be just basic text, like I typed in the first place?!? (I know: how about a new column type: 'Poor text'? Get it? ;) I also note that clicking on the column name (in 'select' mode, not edit) appears to pick the entire column. Great! But the option to 'Copy' the whole column to the clipboard is grayed out. (I had this wacky idea that maybe I could copy and paste an OOP column into Excel. Please stop laughing at me.) Then I tried dragging just this selected column into an empty OOP document, but only succeeded in reordering that column in the existing document. (steam rising from forehead... I should have just started retyping everything in Excel) Thanks, Thom Brooks Special Days Camps On Thu, 18 Jan 2007, James Moore wrote: > I've finally had time to work on some more exporters for OmniOutliner Pro. > The new version of the export plugin includes a rudimentary Excel (XML) > exporter and the LaTeX exporter that's been mostly done for over a year. You > can download the new plugin from > Please send all of your feedback to omnioutliner@omnigroup.com. From kc at omnigroup.com Mon Feb 26 10:45:36 2007 From: kc at omnigroup.com (Ken Case) Date: Mon Feb 26 10:46:06 2007 Subject: OmniOutliner URLs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Feb 25, 2007, at 3:19 PM, Thom Brooks wrote: > I created a multi-column outline in OOP (about the current state of > vendors who offer "Donate now, online!" type services, if anyone is > interested.) The report includes the URL for each company's website. > > I then realized I needed to share it with folks from my camp. > (http://www.specialdays.org/) Have you considered exporting it as Dynamic HTML? This will create a web page for you (and all of the links will be clickable links). > In the meantime, can I just tell OOP to stop being so #$@%#$@% > 'clever' and just keep my URLs as text, so they'll export properly? > I tried changing the View -> attachments to be 'Inline', which > makes them _look_ normal, but I suspect they're still being stored > in that nifty way internally. You can turn off "Automatically create attachments from typed URLs" in General Preferences. This won't convert your existing URLs back into plain text, but it will prevent OmniOutliner from automatically creating new attachments for future URLs you type. > More importantly, can I convert a bunch of existing URL objects ... > attachments... whatever... to be just basic text, like I typed in > the first place?!? (I know: how about a new column type: 'Poor > text'? Get it? ;) > > I also note that clicking on the column name (in 'select' mode, not > edit) appears to pick the entire column. Great! But the option to > 'Copy' the whole column to the clipboard is grayed out. (I had this > wacky idea that maybe I could copy and paste an OOP column into > Excel. Please stop laughing at me.) I guess you could try selecting all the rows and copying those into Excel. This copies over the plain text representation, which includes the full URL. (To get the data into multiple columns in Excel, you'll need to click on the Paste Options note that appears and select "Use Text Import Wizard". From there, you can change the import's "Original data type" to "Fixed width" and configure the columns to match your data.) > (steam rising from forehead... I should have just started retyping > everything in Excel) Sorry for the frustration here! I see several improvements we could make in future releases: We should add an option to the Excel exporter to specify how URL attachments should be handled. (Are they just skipped right now? We should at least try to bring over the label.) We should make it easy to convert all URL attachments back into plain text. (And perhaps to scan existing plain text for URL attachments, if you want to go the other way later.) We should copy tabular data to the clipboard so that pasting into Excel just works. And, not specifically related to interacting with Excel, it would sure be nice if we let you copy and paste columns. (We already have a general feature request for this.) But returning to your specific problem: will exporting as HTML meet your needs? (And don't forget to turn off "Automatically create attachments from typed URLs" for future documents, assuming you don't want those URLs turned into attachments in general!) Hope this helps, Ken From lists at mostrom.pp.se Tue Mar 6 00:30:36 2007 From: lists at mostrom.pp.se (=?UTF-8?Q?Jan_Erik_Mostr=C3=B6?= =?UTF-8?Q?m?=) Date: Tue Mar 6 00:31:12 2007 Subject: Subversion Message-ID: Does OmniOUtliner play well with subversion, from my short test it looks like OO creates a new "file" each time it saves and thus delete everything in the package that isn't one of OOs items And if I understand things correctly there is no way to force OO not to use a bundle but instead save to a file? jem From curt.clifton at mac.com Tue Mar 6 05:29:02 2007 From: curt.clifton at mac.com (Curt Clifton) Date: Tue Mar 6 05:28:28 2007 Subject: Subversion In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Jan, On Mar 6, 2007, at 3:30 AM, Jan Erik Mostr?m wrote: > Does OmniOUtliner play well with subversion, from my short test it > looks like OO creates a new "file" each time it saves and thus > delete everything in the package that isn't one of OOs items > > And if I understand things correctly there is no way to force OO > not to use a bundle but instead save to a file? I have outlines under SVN control. OO seems to play nice with the .svn metadata. Cheers, Curt ---------------------------------- Curt Clifton, Asst. Professor Computer Science and Software Engineering Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology Phone: +1.812.877.8593 Home: http://www.rose-hulman.edu/~clifton Schedule: http://ical.mac.com/curt.clifton/Rose-Hulman From lists at mostrom.pp.se Tue Mar 6 05:48:38 2007 From: lists at mostrom.pp.se (=?UTF-8?Q?Jan_Erik_Mostr=C3=B6?= =?UTF-8?Q?m?=) Date: Tue Mar 6 05:49:00 2007 Subject: Subversion In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Reply to Curt Clifton 07-03-06 08:29: > >I have outlines under SVN control. OO seems to play nice with >the .svn metadata. It does? ... yes it does !!! I first tested this by putting an empty folder in an OO document and then save it ... and the folder disappeared. But when I really try with subversion the ".svn" folder stays where it should. Great, thanks for telling me !! jem From ls at fortus.se Tue Mar 6 12:48:27 2007 From: ls at fortus.se (Leif Stenudd) Date: Tue Mar 6 12:49:00 2007 Subject: OmniOutliner-Users Digest, Vol 39, Issue 1 In-Reply-To: <20070306200005.D596613D98E@dynamic-www.omnigroup.com> References: <20070306200005.D596613D98E@dynamic-www.omnigroup.com> Message-ID: HI, I read this conversation and got curious. My problem is: a) I don't know what subversion is? b) I don't know how it is used in OO. Maybe it is a good feature. c) I don't know what SVN control is But maybe it is not this lists cup of tea to explain this to an ignorant? Many regards Leif 6 mar 2007 kl. 21.00 skrev omnioutliner-users-request@omnigroup.com: > Send OmniOutliner-Users mailing list submissions to > omnioutliner-users@omnigroup.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnioutliner-users > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > omnioutliner-users-request@omnigroup.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > omnioutliner-users-owner@omnigroup.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of OmniOutliner-Users digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Subversion (Jan Erik Mostr?m) > 2. Re: Subversion (Curt Clifton) > 3. Re: Subversion (Jan Erik Mostr?m) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 09:30:36 +0100 > From: Jan Erik Mostr?m > Subject: Subversion > To: omnioutliner-users@omnigroup.com > Message-ID: > ppc-32EF4AFB451E4380810133D617F19198@infinitum.cs.umu.se> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed > > Does OmniOUtliner play well with subversion, from my short test > it looks like OO creates a new "file" each time it saves and > thus delete everything in the package that isn't one of OOs items > > And if I understand things correctly there is no way to force OO > not to use a bundle but instead save to a file? > > jem > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 08:29:02 -0500 > From: Curt Clifton > Subject: Re: Subversion > To: Jan Erik Mostr?m > Cc: omnioutliner-users@omnigroup.com > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed > > Jan, > > On Mar 6, 2007, at 3:30 AM, Jan Erik Mostr?m wrote: > >> Does OmniOUtliner play well with subversion, from my short test it >> looks like OO creates a new "file" each time it saves and thus >> delete everything in the package that isn't one of OOs items >> >> And if I understand things correctly there is no way to force OO >> not to use a bundle but instead save to a file? > > I have outlines under SVN control. OO seems to play nice with > the .svn metadata. > > Cheers, > > Curt > > ---------------------------------- > Curt Clifton, Asst. Professor > Computer Science and Software Engineering > Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology > Phone: +1.812.877.8593 > Home: http://www.rose-hulman.edu/~clifton > Schedule: http://ical.mac.com/curt.clifton/Rose-Hulman > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 14:48:38 +0100 > From: Jan Erik Mostr?m > Subject: Re: Subversion > To: Curt Clifton > Cc: omnioutliner-users@omnigroup.com > Message-ID: > ppc-14366EB7C6184973BE610ACE5C841437@infinitum.cs.umu.se> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Reply to Curt Clifton 07-03-06 08:29: > >> >> I have outlines under SVN control. OO seems to play nice with >> the .svn metadata. > > It does? ... yes it does !!! > > I first tested this by putting an empty folder in an OO document > and then save it ... and the folder disappeared. But when I > really try with subversion the ".svn" folder stays where it should. > > Great, thanks for telling me !! > > jem > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > OmniOutliner-Users mailing list > OmniOutliner-Users@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnioutliner-users > > > End of OmniOutliner-Users Digest, Vol 39, Issue 1 > ************************************************* From jam at omnigroup.com Tue Mar 6 13:21:54 2007 From: jam at omnigroup.com (James Moore) Date: Tue Mar 6 13:21:58 2007 Subject: OmniOutliner-Users Digest, Vol 39, Issue 1 In-Reply-To: References: <20070306200005.D596613D98E@dynamic-www.omnigroup.com> Message-ID: <9A33D078-0B17-4E20-9160-2261870AB397@omnigroup.com> On Mar 6, 2007, at 12:48 PM, Leif Stenudd wrote: > HI, > I read this conversation and got curious. > > My problem is: > a) I don't know what subversion is? > b) I don't know how it is used in OO. Maybe it is a good feature. > c) I don't know what SVN control is > > But maybe it is not this lists cup of tea to explain this to an > ignorant? Leif, Subversion isn't a feature of OmniOutliner. Subversion is a revision control system that's used to keep track of changes in files -- typically software source code. _The_ reference on Subversion can be read at http://svnbook.red-bean.com/ Because we sometimes store Outliner files in our own SVN repository we made sure that Outliner preserves special .svn metadata folders that can be found inside of folders stored in SVN. Without that support it would be very tedious to maintain your Outliner files in SVN. Outliner will also preserve CVS metadata. -- -James OmniOutliner Product Manager Software Test Pilot The Omni Group From lists at mostrom.pp.se Wed Mar 7 04:43:57 2007 From: lists at mostrom.pp.se (=?UTF-8?Q?Jan_Erik_Mostr=C3=B6?= =?UTF-8?Q?m?=) Date: Wed Mar 7 04:44:32 2007 Subject: OmniOutliner-Users Digest, Vol 39, Issue 1 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Reply to Leif Stenudd 07-03-06 21:48: >a) I don't know what subversion is? >b) I don't know how it is used in OO. Maybe it is a good feature. >c) I don't know what SVN control is > >But maybe it is not this lists cup of tea to explain this to an ignorant? Det ?r ett system f?r att h?lla reda p? f?r?ndringar i filer och ?ven vilka filer som finns. Det (det vill s?ga versionskontrollsystem) andv?nds ofta av programmerare eller personer som jobbar ihop p? n?got s?tt. Jag anv?nder det privat f?r att h?lla reda p? n?stan alla mina filer p? jobbet men ocks? f?r att jobba ihop med andra (artiklar/forskning) samt f?r programutveckling. F?rdelen med att anv?nda ett s?dant system ?r: + Om du av n?gon anledning g?r f?r?ndringar som du inte vill ha s? kan du snabbt g? tillbaka till en tidigare version och b?rja om + Du kan enkelt jobba p? flera maskiner och se till att dokumenten ?r up-to-date p? alla + S?kerhetskopiering - inte ett officiellt anv?ndningsomr?de men det bra f?r detta ocks?, dvs en kopia p? varje maskin jag anv?nder plus servern - alla diskarna l?r inte g? s?nder samtidigt !! Som jag anv?nder det s? beh?ver jag i princip bara s?tt mig vid en ny maskin och skriva svn checkout svn+ssh://xxx.xxx.xxx/YY/trunk --username XXXX --password YYYY och v?nta en stund s? har jag alla mina dockument p? den maskinen. Det finns flera tutorials etc om hur man anv?nder subversion, se och . Jag har ocks? fixat en mini-tutorial f?r de personer som jag jobbar ihop med jem From lists at mostrom.pp.se Wed Mar 7 04:48:07 2007 From: lists at mostrom.pp.se (=?UTF-8?Q?Jan_Erik_Mostr=C3=B6?= =?UTF-8?Q?m?=) Date: Wed Mar 7 04:48:11 2007 Subject: OmniOutliner-Users Digest, Vol 39, Issue 1 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Reply to Jan Erik Mostr?m 07-03-07 13:43: Opps ;-) Well, Leif can read it and the rest of you can consider it as an exercise in Swedish ;-) jem From ls at fortus.se Wed Mar 7 12:09:16 2007 From: ls at fortus.se (Leif Stenudd) Date: Wed Mar 7 12:09:55 2007 Subject: OmniOutliner-Users Digest, Vol 39, Issue 2 In-Reply-To: <20070307200007.98E6213DFD3@dynamic-www.omnigroup.com> References: <20070307200007.98E6213DFD3@dynamic-www.omnigroup.com> Message-ID: Thanks Jan-Erik! Thanks also to James for your reply! My curiosity was cured in a positive way AND in Swedish! Now I know what this svn-animal is about! Looks like a rather sofisticated thing when people work together. I will keep it "posted" in my memory... Best Leif 7 mar 2007 kl. 21.00 skrev omnioutliner-users-request@omnigroup.com: > Send OmniOutliner-Users mailing list submissions to > omnioutliner-users@omnigroup.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnioutliner-users > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > omnioutliner-users-request@omnigroup.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > omnioutliner-users-owner@omnigroup.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of OmniOutliner-Users digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: OmniOutliner-Users Digest, Vol 39, Issue 1 (Leif Stenudd) > 2. Re: OmniOutliner-Users Digest, Vol 39, Issue 1 (James Moore) > 3. Re: OmniOutliner-Users Digest, Vol 39, Issue 1 (Jan Erik > Mostr?m) > 4. Re: OmniOutliner-Users Digest, Vol 39, Issue 1 (Jan Erik > Mostr?m) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 21:48:27 +0100 > From: Leif Stenudd > Subject: Re: OmniOutliner-Users Digest, Vol 39, Issue 1 > To: omnioutliner-users@omnigroup.com > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed > > HI, > I read this conversation and got curious. > > My problem is: > a) I don't know what subversion is? > b) I don't know how it is used in OO. Maybe it is a good feature. > c) I don't know what SVN control is > > But maybe it is not this lists cup of tea to explain this to an > ignorant? > > Many regards > Leif > > 6 mar 2007 kl. 21.00 skrev omnioutliner-users-request@omnigroup.com: > >> Send OmniOutliner-Users mailing list submissions to >> omnioutliner-users@omnigroup.com >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnioutliner-users >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> omnioutliner-users-request@omnigroup.com >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> omnioutliner-users-owner@omnigroup.com >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of OmniOutliner-Users digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Subversion (Jan Erik Mostr?m) >> 2. Re: Subversion (Curt Clifton) >> 3. Re: Subversion (Jan Erik Mostr?m) >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> - >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 09:30:36 +0100 >> From: Jan Erik Mostr?m >> Subject: Subversion >> To: omnioutliner-users@omnigroup.com >> Message-ID: >> > ppc-32EF4AFB451E4380810133D617F19198@infinitum.cs.umu.se> >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed >> >> Does OmniOUtliner play well with subversion, from my short test >> it looks like OO creates a new "file" each time it saves and >> thus delete everything in the package that isn't one of OOs items >> >> And if I understand things correctly there is no way to force OO >> not to use a bundle but instead save to a file? >> >> jem >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 08:29:02 -0500 >> From: Curt Clifton >> Subject: Re: Subversion >> To: Jan Erik Mostr?m >> Cc: omnioutliner-users@omnigroup.com >> Message-ID: >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; >> format=flowed >> >> Jan, >> >> On Mar 6, 2007, at 3:30 AM, Jan Erik Mostr?m wrote: >> >>> Does OmniOUtliner play well with subversion, from my short test it >>> looks like OO creates a new "file" each time it saves and thus >>> delete everything in the package that isn't one of OOs items >>> >>> And if I understand things correctly there is no way to force OO >>> not to use a bundle but instead save to a file? >> >> I have outlines under SVN control. OO seems to play nice with >> the .svn metadata. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Curt >> >> ---------------------------------- >> Curt Clifton, Asst. Professor >> Computer Science and Software Engineering >> Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology >> Phone: +1.812.877.8593 >> Home: http://www.rose-hulman.edu/~clifton >> Schedule: http://ical.mac.com/curt.clifton/Rose-Hulman >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 3 >> Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 14:48:38 +0100 >> From: Jan Erik Mostr?m >> Subject: Re: Subversion >> To: Curt Clifton >> Cc: omnioutliner-users@omnigroup.com >> Message-ID: >> > ppc-14366EB7C6184973BE610ACE5C841437@infinitum.cs.umu.se> >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed >> >> Reply to Curt Clifton 07-03-06 08:29: >> >>> >>> I have outlines under SVN control. OO seems to play nice with >>> the .svn metadata. >> >> It does? ... yes it does !!! >> >> I first tested this by putting an empty folder in an OO document >> and then save it ... and the folder disappeared. But when I >> really try with subversion the ".svn" folder stays where it should. >> >> Great, thanks for telling me !! >> >> jem >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> OmniOutliner-Users mailing list >> OmniOutliner-Users@omnigroup.com >> http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnioutliner-users >> >> >> End of OmniOutliner-Users Digest, Vol 39, Issue 1 >> ************************************************* > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 13:21:54 -0800 > From: James Moore > Subject: Re: OmniOutliner-Users Digest, Vol 39, Issue 1 > To: Leif Stenudd > Cc: omnioutliner-users@omnigroup.com > Message-ID: <9A33D078-0B17-4E20-9160-2261870AB397@omnigroup.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed > > On Mar 6, 2007, at 12:48 PM, Leif Stenudd wrote: > >> HI, >> I read this conversation and got curious. >> >> My problem is: >> a) I don't know what subversion is? >> b) I don't know how it is used in OO. Maybe it is a good feature. >> c) I don't know what SVN control is >> >> But maybe it is not this lists cup of tea to explain this to an >> ignorant? > > > Leif, Subversion isn't a feature of OmniOutliner. Subversion is a > revision control system that's used to keep track of changes in files > -- typically software source code. > > _The_ reference on Subversion can be read at > > http://svnbook.red-bean.com/ > > Because we sometimes store Outliner files in our own SVN repository > we made sure that Outliner preserves special .svn metadata folders > that can be found inside of folders stored in SVN. Without that > support it would be very tedious to maintain your Outliner files in > SVN. Outliner will also preserve CVS metadata. > > -- > -James > > OmniOutliner Product Manager > Software Test Pilot > The Omni Group > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 13:43:57 +0100 > From: Jan Erik Mostr?m > Subject: Re: OmniOutliner-Users Digest, Vol 39, Issue 1 > To: Leif Stenudd > Cc: omnioutliner-users@omnigroup.com > Message-ID: > ppc-588DE13A31C94FCF8B507D23B71A8FD8@infinitum.cs.umu.se> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Reply to Leif Stenudd 07-03-06 21:48: > >> a) I don't know what subversion is? >> b) I don't know how it is used in OO. Maybe it is a good feature. >> c) I don't know what SVN control is >> >> But maybe it is not this lists cup of tea to explain this to an >> ignorant? > > Det ?r ett system f?r att h?lla reda p? f?r?ndringar i filer och > ?ven vilka filer som finns. Det (det vill s?ga > versionskontrollsystem) andv?nds ofta av programmerare eller > personer som jobbar ihop p? n?got s?tt. Jag anv?nder det privat > f?r att h?lla reda p? n?stan alla mina filer p? jobbet men ocks? > f?r att jobba ihop med andra (artiklar/forskning) samt f?r > programutveckling. > > F?rdelen med att anv?nda ett s?dant system ?r: > > + Om du av n?gon anledning g?r f?r?ndringar som du inte vill ha > s? kan du snabbt g? tillbaka till en tidigare version och b?rja > om > > + Du kan enkelt jobba p? flera maskiner och se till att dokumenten > ?r up-to-date p? alla > > + S?kerhetskopiering - inte ett officiellt anv?ndningsomr?de > men det > bra f?r detta ocks?, dvs en kopia p? varje maskin jag anv?nder > plus servern - alla diskarna l?r inte g? s?nder samtidigt !! > > Som jag anv?nder det s? beh?ver jag i princip bara s?tt mig vid > en ny maskin och skriva > > svn checkout svn+ssh://xxx.xxx.xxx/YY/trunk --username XXXX > --password YYYY > > och v?nta en stund s? har jag alla mina dockument p? den > maskinen. Det finns flera tutorials etc om hur man anv?nder > subversion, se och > . Jag har ocks? fixat en > mini-tutorial f?r de personer som jag jobbar ihop med www.mostrom.pp.se/subversiontutorial> > > jem > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 13:48:07 +0100 > From: Jan Erik Mostr?m > Subject: Re: OmniOutliner-Users Digest, Vol 39, Issue 1 > To: omnioutliner-users@omnigroup.com > Message-ID: > ppc-9EF4092ED04E447CBF3A492C1318AE98@infinitum.cs.umu.se> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Reply to Jan Erik Mostr?m 07-03-07 13:43: > > > Opps ;-) > > Well, Leif can read it and the rest of you can consider it as an > exercise in Swedish ;-) > > jem > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > OmniOutliner-Users mailing list > OmniOutliner-Users@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnioutliner-users > > > End of OmniOutliner-Users Digest, Vol 39, Issue 2 > ************************************************* From jonathan_lewis at mac.com Wed Mar 7 20:11:18 2007 From: jonathan_lewis at mac.com (Jonathan Lewis) Date: Wed Mar 7 20:11:28 2007 Subject: Text formatting with LaTeX export plugin Message-ID: <5085A576-BA7C-48E6-B39D-A112A952D446@mac.com> I have a question about the newly released LaTeX export plugin for OO3Pro. I'm using the sample document template that comes with the plugin. Basic export is working nicely, but I can't seem to get the text formatting tools to work. In order to have some text emphasized, for example, I select some text in the outline then press F4 as the toolbox suggests, and the text in the outline duly becomes italicized. However when I now export the outline as LaTeX article and open the resulting main.tex file with an editor, all the emphasized text and any more text as far as the end of the paragraph containing the emphasized text has disappeared. Am I doing something wrong? OmniOutliner Pr 3.6.2 (v143.19) MacOS X 10.4.8 Jonathan Lewis Hitotsubashi University, Tokyo From rcobleigh at gmail.com Sat Mar 10 13:50:01 2007 From: rcobleigh at gmail.com (Rachel Cobleigh) Date: Sat Mar 10 13:50:06 2007 Subject: Word outline export? Message-ID: <15300b5e0703101350y576ba75w2ac1da348d4c7044@mail.gmail.com> It would be really nice to have an export from OmniOutliner to MS Word that Word will recognize in its outline view! Rachel From elliott at yrl.co.uk Sat Mar 10 14:38:23 2007 From: elliott at yrl.co.uk (Elliott Roper) Date: Sat Mar 10 15:04:21 2007 Subject: Word outline export? In-Reply-To: <15300b5e0703101350y576ba75w2ac1da348d4c7044@mail.gmail.com> References: <15300b5e0703101350y576ba75w2ac1da348d4c7044@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <949F0131-F979-4109-94B3-10FEF7A83254@yrl.co.uk> On 10- Mar-2007, at 21:50, Rachel Cobleigh wrote: > It would be really nice to have an export from OmniOutliner to MS Word > that Word will recognize in its outline view! Huh? Mine (Pro version) always come up in outline view in Word initially. File ? export choose file format: MS Word (HTML) Once in Word, it sometimes helps to copy all the text of a document and paste it into a fresh document. That way you get your own style format definitions for heading 1, heading 2.... (heading n and "body text" for notes). A bit of find and replace on styles does a quick job of turning your outline into a finished Word doc. Quite civilised really. I'm on Word 2004 11.3.3 if that makes any difference. From jam at omnigroup.com Mon Mar 12 17:26:40 2007 From: jam at omnigroup.com (James Moore) Date: Mon Mar 12 17:26:43 2007 Subject: Text formatting with LaTeX export plugin In-Reply-To: <5085A576-BA7C-48E6-B39D-A112A952D446@mac.com> References: <5085A576-BA7C-48E6-B39D-A112A952D446@mac.com> Message-ID: <860DF1A9-9A74-45D2-8C55-CEA6088CDC57@omnigroup.com> Jonathan I'm not sure what could be happening in your case. Would you mind mailing a sample Outliner document to omnioutliner@omnigroup.com so we can take a look at it? -- -James OmniOutliner Product Manager Software Test Pilot The Omni Group On Mar 7, 2007, at 8:11 PM, Jonathan Lewis wrote: > I have a question about the newly released LaTeX export plugin for > OO3Pro. I'm using the sample document template that comes with the > plugin. Basic export is working nicely, but I can't seem to get the > text formatting tools to work. In order to have some text > emphasized, for example, I select some text in the outline then > press F4 as the toolbox suggests, and the text in the outline duly > becomes italicized. However when I now export the outline as LaTeX > article and open the resulting main.tex file with an editor, all > the emphasized text and any more text as far as the end of the > paragraph containing the emphasized text has disappeared. > > Am I doing something wrong? > > OmniOutliner Pr 3.6.2 (v143.19) > MacOS X 10.4.8 > > Jonathan Lewis > Hitotsubashi University, Tokyo > _______________________________________________ > OmniOutliner-Users mailing list > OmniOutliner-Users@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnioutliner-users From felix.s.tang at gmail.com Tue Mar 13 07:51:31 2007 From: felix.s.tang at gmail.com (Felix TANG) Date: Tue Mar 13 07:51:35 2007 Subject: [OO behaviour] style for part of line vs. style for row Message-ID: <7e9bf9f00703130751y18184986l77470109b0a38858@mail.gmail.com> Hello, This is a refinement of my previous question on styles. I was confused as to why my "bold" text was losing it's boldness, but only in certain cases. I just want to be able to bold keywords and not have that bold text lost as I reorder the text. Issues: 1. How do I prevent OO from applying bold as a style when I highlight a sentence? 2. Even if you bold just part of a sentence, automatic level styles will clear the bold when I outdent. In this case, must I turn off automatic level styles? There appears to be the following scenarios (in my mind): 1. Bold applied to some text that is part of a sentence. 2. Bold applied to a whole sentence 2.1 Bold is a added as a style for the row and its children. 2.2 Bold is applied ot the line as in 1. Thanks, Felix -- "I don't think necessity is the mother of invention ? invention, in my opinion, arises directly from idleness, possibly also from laziness. To save oneself trouble." Agatha Christie From lists at mostrom.pp.se Wed Mar 14 05:56:55 2007 From: lists at mostrom.pp.se (=?UTF-8?Q?Jan_Erik_Mostr=C3=B6?= =?UTF-8?Q?m?=) Date: Wed Mar 14 05:57:42 2007 Subject: Calcultaing time Message-ID: Before trying to find some time to do this myself I would like to check if someone has an Applescript that would calculate time of iCal entries in OO. I imagine something like this 2006 Calendar 1 3:13 Jan 2:03 entry 1 0:33 entry 2 1:30 Feb 1:10 entry 3 0:40 entry 4 0:30 ... Calendar 2 1:23 ... etc Or like this 2006 Jan Calendar 1 entry 1 0:33 entry 2 1:30 You get the idea. jem From classic695 at hotmail.com Wed Mar 14 17:25:40 2007 From: classic695 at hotmail.com (Brian Vito) Date: Wed Mar 14 17:36:03 2007 Subject: Using (aa), (bb), etc. as automatic row number? Message-ID: Is it possible to set up automatic row numbering to number rows in the form (aa), (bb), (cc), etc.? Getting it to do (a), (b), (c), isn't a problem, but I can't figure out how to double the letter. Note, this is the numbering format used by some federal statutes, so it would be helpful to be able to reproduce using OmniOutliner. _________________________________________________________________ Play Flexicon: the crossword game that feeds your brain. PLAY now for FREE.  http://zone.msn.com/en/flexicon/default.htm?icid=flexicon_hmtagline From wayne at thecrucialproject.co.za Thu Mar 15 07:22:01 2007 From: wayne at thecrucialproject.co.za (Wayne Thornley) Date: Thu Mar 15 07:35:01 2007 Subject: Children and adjacent columns Message-ID: <3A195728-CC40-4EE2-A2B2-5F2B9EC7B9F5@thecrucialproject.co.za> I have two columns in an outline. The left column is a list with parents and children. The right column is a body of text divided into sections that correspond to the parents in the left column. When I create children in the left column they are displayed in line with the bottom of the text in the right column. Since there is quite a lot of text in the right column, this leaves a big gap between the parent row and it's children. Visually this is quite annoying and also a waste of space. Is there a way to get the children to ignore the alignment of the right column and to appear directly beneath their parent regardless of how much text is in the right column? Wayne Thornley Mobile: +2784 400 6056 Land: +2721 671 4811 Fax: +2786 675 9403 From rcobleigh at gmail.com Wed Mar 21 11:50:58 2007 From: rcobleigh at gmail.com (Rachel Cobleigh) Date: Wed Mar 21 11:51:02 2007 Subject: Word outline export? In-Reply-To: <949F0131-F979-4109-94B3-10FEF7A83254@yrl.co.uk> References: <15300b5e0703101350y576ba75w2ac1da348d4c7044@mail.gmail.com> <949F0131-F979-4109-94B3-10FEF7A83254@yrl.co.uk> Message-ID: <15300b5e0703211150i2e470f87jae748a396c75ed2d@mail.gmail.com> Thanks for your help guys. I just have a couple of questions, though. While I can open my OOutline file in Word's outline view, in Word the outline isn't *really* an outline: all the indentation formatting gets flattened out because the outline levels are just treated as headings, not an actual outline, in the normal view of the document. If I want to edit the outline in Word (because there's no Outliner implemented for Windows, for example) and then import the changed document back into OO, I can't really. Since Word has removed all of the tab characters, OO imports the document as a list with all the items at the top level. Basically, I'm forced to use Windows at work for meetings and I'm trying to find some way to keep using OO on my preferred machine (i.e., a Mac) without major headaches when transferring between the two platforms. Rachel On 3/10/07, Elliott Roper wrote: > > On 10- Mar-2007, at 21:50, Rachel Cobleigh wrote: > > > It would be really nice to have an export from OmniOutliner to MS Word > > that Word will recognize in its outline view! > > Huh? Mine (Pro version) always come up in outline view in Word > initially. > File ? export > choose file format: MS Word (HTML) > > Once in Word, it sometimes helps to copy all the text of a document > and paste it into a fresh document. That way you get your own style > format definitions for heading 1, heading 2.... (heading n and "body > text" for notes). > A bit of find and replace on styles does a quick job of turning your > outline into a finished Word doc. > > Quite civilised really. > > I'm on Word 2004 11.3.3 if that makes any difference. > > _______________________________________________ > OmniOutliner-Users mailing list > OmniOutliner-Users@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnioutliner-users > From dmo at omnigroup.com Wed Mar 21 15:40:36 2007 From: dmo at omnigroup.com (Derek Motonaga) Date: Wed Mar 21 15:40:38 2007 Subject: Word outline export? In-Reply-To: <15300b5e0703211150i2e470f87jae748a396c75ed2d@mail.gmail.com> References: <15300b5e0703101350y576ba75w2ac1da348d4c7044@mail.gmail.com> <949F0131-F979-4109-94B3-10FEF7A83254@yrl.co.uk> <15300b5e0703211150i2e470f87jae748a396c75ed2d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3EF9E344-1AD4-4522-8076-69DF1AA8EFE2@omnigroup.com> Hi Rachel- Unfortunately round tripping isn't easily accomplished right now. The Word export is formatted to be used in Word's outline view. If Word could export to plain text with tabs, that could be imported to OO and retain structure, but I'm failing to see how to accomplish that with Word. We do have plans to improve our importing abilities in the future. -- Derek M. Support Ninja The Omni Group On Mar 21, 2007, at 11:50 AM, Rachel Cobleigh wrote: > Thanks for your help guys. I just have a couple of questions, though. > > While I can open my OOutline file in Word's outline view, in Word the > outline isn't *really* an outline: all the indentation formatting gets > flattened out because the outline levels are just treated as headings, > not an actual outline, in the normal view of the document. If I want > to edit the outline in Word (because there's no Outliner implemented > for Windows, for example) and then import the changed document back > into OO, I can't really. Since Word has removed all of the tab > characters, OO imports the document as a list with all the items at > the top level. > > Basically, I'm forced to use Windows at work for meetings and I'm > trying to find some way to keep using OO on my preferred machine > (i.e., a Mac) without major headaches when transferring between the > two platforms. > > Rachel > > On 3/10/07, Elliott Roper wrote: >> >> On 10- Mar-2007, at 21:50, Rachel Cobleigh wrote: >> >> > It would be really nice to have an export from OmniOutliner to >> MS Word >> > that Word will recognize in its outline view! >> >> Huh? Mine (Pro version) always come up in outline view in Word >> initially. >> File ? export >> choose file format: MS Word (HTML) >> >> Once in Word, it sometimes helps to copy all the text of a document >> and paste it into a fresh document. That way you get your own style >> format definitions for heading 1, heading 2.... (heading n and "body >> text" for notes). >> A bit of find and replace on styles does a quick job of turning your >> outline into a finished Word doc. >> >> Quite civilised really. >> >> I'm on Word 2004 11.3.3 if that makes any difference. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> OmniOutliner-Users mailing list >> OmniOutliner-Users@omnigroup.com >> http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnioutliner-users >> > _______________________________________________ > OmniOutliner-Users mailing list > OmniOutliner-Users@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnioutliner-users From newsletter at rolandkueffner.de Wed Mar 21 16:01:09 2007 From: newsletter at rolandkueffner.de (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Roland_K=FCffner?=) Date: Wed Mar 21 16:01:39 2007 Subject: Word outline export? In-Reply-To: <15300b5e0703211150i2e470f87jae748a396c75ed2d@mail.gmail.com> References: <15300b5e0703101350y576ba75w2ac1da348d4c7044@mail.gmail.com> <949F0131-F979-4109-94B3-10FEF7A83254@yrl.co.uk> <15300b5e0703211150i2e470f87jae748a396c75ed2d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Rachel, Word is not the best tool for such a task. I recommend you export your outline as plain text with tabs and use a decent (plain) text editor on the windows machine that keeps those tabs. You might try jEdit (jedit.org) for this. It's a free and powerful text editor that has nice folding features that resemble the Omni feeling to some extend - it even allows hoisting! But any text editor will do. Back on your mac you simply paste the file back into the outliner (but make sure you are not in text insert mode): Every tab at the begining of a line will intend that line in omni. Every tab after some text in a line will be pasted to the next column in omni. I use this method every day - same problem, no mac at work :-( - and don't find it too cumbersome ... Hope, this helps Roland Am 21.03.2007 um 19:50 schrieb Rachel Cobleigh: > Thanks for your help guys. I just have a couple of questions, though. > > While I can open my OOutline file in Word's outline view, in Word the > outline isn't *really* an outline: all the indentation formatting gets > flattened out because the outline levels are just treated as headings, > not an actual outline, in the normal view of the document. If I want > to edit the outline in Word (because there's no Outliner implemented > for Windows, for example) and then import the changed document back > into OO, I can't really. Since Word has removed all of the tab > characters, OO imports the document as a list with all the items at > the top level. > > Basically, I'm forced to use Windows at work for meetings and I'm > trying to find some way to keep using OO on my preferred machine > (i.e., a Mac) without major headaches when transferring between the > two platforms. > > Rachel > > On 3/10/07, Elliott Roper wrote: >> >> On 10- Mar-2007, at 21:50, Rachel Cobleigh wrote: >> >> > It would be really nice to have an export from OmniOutliner to >> MS Word >> > that Word will recognize in its outline view! >> >> Huh? Mine (Pro version) always come up in outline view in Word >> initially. >> File ? export >> choose file format: MS Word (HTML) >> >> Once in Word, it sometimes helps to copy all the text of a document >> and paste it into a fresh document. That way you get your own style >> format definitions for heading 1, heading 2.... (heading n and "body >> text" for notes). >> A bit of find and replace on styles does a quick job of turning your >> outline into a finished Word doc. >> >> Quite civilised really. >> >> I'm on Word 2004 11.3.3 if that makes any difference. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> OmniOutliner-Users mailing list >> OmniOutliner-Users@omnigroup.com >> http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnioutliner-users >> > _______________________________________________ > OmniOutliner-Users mailing list > OmniOutliner-Users@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnioutliner-users From rcobleigh at gmail.com Thu Mar 22 08:16:13 2007 From: rcobleigh at gmail.com (Rachel Cobleigh) Date: Thu Mar 22 08:16:16 2007 Subject: export to Wiki text? Message-ID: <15300b5e0703220816te741803vc8bd127ce454deec@mail.gmail.com> Is there any plan to export OO files to text files formatted as wiki documents? I know there are a ton of different wiki-text standards because of the wide array of wiki engines out there, but it would be nice to be able to have wiki exporting. The user could configure the wiki exporting, perhaps either by selecting from a massive list of possible standards, or having a place for the user to enter the formatting all the major types of wiki things: headings, bulleted lists, numbered lists, bold, italics, etc. Rachel From rcobleigh at gmail.com Sun Mar 25 18:59:25 2007 From: rcobleigh at gmail.com (Rachel Cobleigh) Date: Sun Mar 25 18:59:28 2007 Subject: Page Setup usability problem Message-ID: <15300b5e0703251859s401f2fc8r96b8810a9a0baf81@mail.gmail.com> In the Page Setup -> OmniOutliner Pro dialog, on the Headers & Footers tab, the only way to get the same header and footer to show up on all the pages is to select "Don't Customize First Page", but then when you go back to that tab later, the combo box contains "All Except First Page", which seems to contradict the actual behavior. It would be much nicer if (a) the choices in that combo boxes never changed and (b) there was a choice that basically said, "All Pages", or something to that effect. Rachel From pvk at vuylsteker.net Mon Mar 26 08:20:21 2007 From: pvk at vuylsteker.net (Pascal Vuylsteker) Date: Mon Mar 26 08:20:30 2007 Subject: Synchronisation trough OPML Message-ID: <7224337b0703260820g1b7db105nf94ed84918f9671@mail.gmail.com> I would like to use omnioutliner in the context