Page breaks

Sun Jan 22 12:52:25 PST 2006

Someone mentioned Word and how this is done there. I think many  
(complicated) needs could be met
by having an "on-line" page-break like it is in Word.
Now It is a hassle to use print>preview to judge
where page-breaks should be made not to split the context.
The hassle is to have to use print-preview time after time to see the  
dynamic conseqences of previous
page breaks made.

Leif

22 jan 2006 kl. 21.00 skrev omnioutliner-users-request at omnigroup.com:

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>    1. Re: Page break at headers (Andrew Abernathy)
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> Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 14:29:23 -0800
> From: Andrew Abernathy <andrew at omnigroup.com>
> Subject: Re: Page break at headers
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> I discussed this some with Warren off-list, and for him setting "page
> break before row" on the level 1 style as-is allows him to accomplish
> the main goal of minimizing page breaks during scenes. However, where
> multiple successive scenes would fit on the same printed page, he
> (understandably) doesn't want page breaks between those scenes. Right
> now he has to manually manage page breaks in order to accomplish that
> latter goal.
>
> So in effect, what Warren wants is a style option for "page break
> before row IFF the row (and it's children) don't completely fit on
> the current page."
>
> This should be easier for us than what I initially thought he would
> want, which is "page break before row IFF the row (and it's children)
> don't completely fit on the current page AND the row (and it's
> children) will completely fit on a new page."
>
>
> I can't promise anything specific on any specific schedule (other
> than to say that the currently development schedule makes it unlikely
> for any such changes to show up in the near future), but I would be
> interested in any feedback from the community as to how helpful
> people would find the feature as Warren needs it ("page break before
> row if and only if it and its children don't completely fit on what
> remains of the current page"), or if people need more flexibility (or
> something else entirely).
>
> -andrew
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> Message: 2
> Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 17:59:31 -0500
> From: Curt Clifton <curt.clifton at mac.com>
> Subject: Re: Page break at headers
> To: Andrew Abernathy <andrew at omnigroup.com>
> Cc: OmniOutliner List <omnioutliner-users at omnigroup.com>
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> Andrew,
>
> On Jan 21, 2006, at 5:29 PM, Andrew Abernathy wrote:
>
>> [snip]  I would be interested in any feedback from the community as
>> to how helpful people would find the feature as Warren needs it
>> ("page break before row if and only if it and its children don't
>> completely fit on what remains of the current page"), or if people
>> need more flexibility (or something else entirely).
>
> I would occasionally find that feature useful.  I've seen other
> applications factor the feature a bit differently.  In Word (I think)
> you can specify a paragraph as "keep with next", meaning a page break
> shouldn't immediately follow it.  Then you can specify some lines or
> paragraphs as "keep together", meaning a page break should fall
> amongst them.  Perhaps in the outlining paradigm these should be
> "Keep with First Child" and "Keep with Siblings".
>
> This factoring is slightly more complex, but a greater variety of
> behavior.  Warren's case could be handled by setting level 2 rows as
> "Keep with First Child" and level 3 rows as "Keep with Siblings".
> Other combinations give different behavior, like just making sure a
> heading row doesn't appear alone at the bottom of a page.
>
> Of course, if there are more siblings than will fit on a page, then
> they have to be split over pages even if the "Keep with Siblings"
> setting is on.  And I suppose someone might set a row to "Keep with
> First Child" but then enter so much text that the row takes a whole
> page by itself.
>
> Cheers,
>
>
> Curt
>
>
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 18:33:22 +0100
> From: Philipp Hampl <philipp at hamplundhampl.de>
> Subject: Re: Page break at headers
> To: Andrew Abernathy <andrew at omnigroup.com>
> Cc: OmniOutliner List <omnioutliner-users at omnigroup.com>
> Message-ID: <7C04CA3D-6E29-46E7-90D3-978DD75B4EB2 at hamplundhampl.de>
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> It would be the one thing, that i am badly missing - the option
> should be as simple as it is in word: page break, whereever I want it
> to be.
>
> Regards
> Philipp
> Am 21.01.2006 um 23:29 schrieb Andrew Abernathy:
>
>> I discussed this some with Warren off-list, and for him setting
>> "page break before row" on the level 1 style as-is allows him to
>> accomplish the main goal of minimizing page breaks during scenes.
>> However, where multiple successive scenes would fit on the same
>> printed page, he (understandably) doesn't want page breaks between
>> those scenes. Right now he has to manually manage page breaks in
>> order to accomplish that latter goal.
>>
>> So in effect, what Warren wants is a style option for "page break
>> before row IFF the row (and it's children) don't completely fit on
>> the current page."
>>
>> This should be easier for us than what I initially thought he would
>> want, which is "page break before row IFF the row (and it's
>> children) don't completely fit on the current page AND the row (and
>> it's children) will completely fit on a new page."
>>
>>
>> I can't promise anything specific on any specific schedule (other
>> than to say that the currently development schedule makes it
>> unlikely for any such changes to show up in the near future), but I
>> would be interested in any feedback from the community as to how
>> helpful people would find the feature as Warren needs it ("page
>> break before row if and only if it and its children don't
>> completely fit on what remains of the current page"), or if people
>> need more flexibility (or something else entirely).
>>
>> -andrew
>>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 11:39:43 -0700
> From: Warren Young <ml at tangentsoft.net>
> Subject: Re: Page break at headers
> To: omnioutliner-users at omnigroup.com
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> On Jan 22, 2006, at 10:33 AM, Philipp Hampl wrote:
>
>> the option should be as simple as it is in word: page break,
>> whereever I want it to be.
>
> We already have that.  See James Moore's reply in this thread.
>
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