From alfred.lang at psy.unibe.ch Sun Jan 1 07:47:54 2006 From: alfred.lang at psy.unibe.ch (Alfred Lang) Date: Sun Jan 1 08:32:19 2006 Subject: Option to suppress parts of numbering? Message-ID: Dear colleagues, I cannot find in OO34 Pro an option to suppress the numbering in some items while keeping the rest in consistent labels, e.g. having a title containing two items before the the body of the article I not like like the first body section(s) to start with numbers 3 or 3.x in legal rather than with 1. or 1.1. Is there no possibility to attain that. Who can help me?. Alfred -- Neue Postadress per 1. November 2005 Prof. emer. Dr. Alfred Lang Hostalen 106 >>>>>>> Aarestrasse 4e CH-3037 Herrenschwanden-Bern >>>>>>> CH-3052 Zollikofen Switzerland Fon +41 31 302 53 42 Fax +41 31 301 44 79 Internet: alfred@langpapers.net URL: http://www.langpapers.net From kbiglione at gmail.com Sun Jan 1 10:40:13 2006 From: kbiglione at gmail.com (Kirk Biglione) Date: Sun Jan 1 10:40:16 2006 Subject: My New Years Wish - Bonjour Support Message-ID: I've emailed OmniGroup support about this in the past, but I thought I'd post here to see if there's any interest in Bonjour support for OO. Specifically I'd like to do the following: 1. Open an outline on my desktop system then easily connect and edit that outline from my laptop. 2. Collaborate on outlines with other users on my network (similar to SubethaEdit). 3. Sync outline changes via Bonjour. In other words, if I made changes to an outline on my laptop while I was out of the office I'd like to be able to sync those changes to the outline on my desktop via Bonjour. I suppose this could also be acheived with .Mac sync support, but I'd prefer not to be dependant on the .Mac service. From stacialynch at mac.com Mon Jan 2 05:16:38 2006 From: stacialynch at mac.com (Stacia Lynch) Date: Mon Jan 2 05:16:36 2006 Subject: My New Years Wish - Bonjour Support In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Yes, yes! I struggle with this. Though I really like OO I still have to use every other service available to share list with my family and my office creative team. This would be a godsend. I can guarantee one office purchase... Thanks for submitting the great idea. On Jan 1, 2006, at 12:40 PM, Kirk Biglione wrote: > I've emailed OmniGroup support about this in the past, but I thought > I'd post here to see if there's any interest in Bonjour support for > OO. > > Specifically I'd like to do the following: > > 1. Open an outline on my desktop system then easily connect and edit > that outline from my laptop. > > 2. Collaborate on outlines with other users on my network (similar to > SubethaEdit). > > 3. Sync outline changes via Bonjour. In other words, if I made > changes to an outline on my laptop while I was out of the office I'd > like to be able to sync those changes to the outline on my desktop via > Bonjour. I suppose this could also be acheived with .Mac sync > support, but I'd prefer not to be dependant on the .Mac service. > _______________________________________________ > OmniOutliner-Users mailing list > OmniOutliner-Users@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnioutliner-users > From deirdre at deirdre.net Wed Jan 4 12:13:14 2006 From: deirdre at deirdre.net (Deirdre Saoirse Moen) Date: Wed Jan 4 12:24:37 2006 Subject: My New Years Wish - Bonjour Support In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <389A9755-64E0-469A-9F09-80DA85018ABB@deirdre.net> On Jan 1, 2006, at 10:40 AM, Kirk Biglione wrote: > I've emailed OmniGroup support about this in the past, but I thought > I'd post here to see if there's any interest in Bonjour support for > OO. I heart SubEthaEdit. While I don't often want to edit stuff collaboratively, it'd be wicked cool if I could use OO rather than SEE for that sort of thing. -- _Deirdre http://deirdre.net From jam at omnigroup.com Wed Jan 4 15:31:58 2006 From: jam at omnigroup.com (James Moore) Date: Wed Jan 4 15:32:01 2006 Subject: Separate bullet control for columns? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <887932E4-4C6E-4FA2-B240-0CCACBC285BD@omnigroup.com> On Dec 20, 2005, at 1:02 AM, Russ McBride wrote: > > Can one control bullets in the non-primary column? The bullets can only appear in the main "topic" column. Would you want them to show the same kind of indentation that the current bullets do? -- -James Technical Support Engineer The Omni Group From jam at omnigroup.com Wed Jan 4 15:35:50 2006 From: jam at omnigroup.com (James Moore) Date: Wed Jan 4 15:35:53 2006 Subject: E-mailing Outliner Documents In-Reply-To: <92.3400b05c.30d9d1ff@aol.com> References: <92.3400b05c.30d9d1ff@aol.com> Message-ID: On Dec 20, 2005, at 1:30 PM, Seedpackets@aol.com wrote: > Presently using OmniOutliner 2.2.6 run on Mac 10.3.9. > > Would like to update software but it depends - can I successfully E- > mail > Ouliner documents to persons that do not use Omni products, and > have my document > opened and read? There are a few "ifs" here. If you're both using Apple Mail then you can attach the Outliner files directly and they'll come out fine on the other end. If either of you are using another mail program then you'll need to compress them first. I recommend using Apple's built-in ZIP compression which appears as the "Create Archive..." option when you control-click the file in the Finder. Now, if the recipient is using a Mac then they can install OmniOutliner and use it unlicensed to read documents for free. Otherwise you'll want to use PDF. -- -James Technical Support Engineer The Omni Group From jam at omnigroup.com Wed Jan 4 15:52:58 2006 From: jam at omnigroup.com (James Moore) Date: Wed Jan 4 15:53:00 2006 Subject: My New Years Wish - Bonjour Support In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Jan 1, 2006, at 10:40 AM, Kirk Biglione wrote: > I've emailed OmniGroup support about this in the past, but I thought > I'd post here to see if there's any interest in Bonjour support for > OO. > > Specifically I'd like to do the following: > > 1. Open an outline on my desktop system then easily connect and edit > that outline from my laptop. > If you want real-time updates then I'm afraid it will be awhile before OmniOutliner can do this. If you simply wanted your changes in one place to appear a short time later in another place then document synchronization might provide enough functionality satisfy you. We would of course have to add document synchronization to OmniOutliner first. Apple has made this task at least possible by opening up SyncServices. I'll add your email to the feature request we have open for this. > 2. Collaborate on outlines with other users on my network (similar to > SubethaEdit). > Apps like SubEthaEdit have very cleverly created multi-user text editing, and made it look a little too easy. The main thing to keep in mind is that SEE only operates on plain text. Because Outliner files not only have structure but text styles, the problem for us is many orders of magnitude more difficult. If Outliner does ever get multi-user functionality it will most likely come in the form of a client/server. > 3. Sync outline changes via Bonjour. In other words, if I made > changes to an outline on my laptop while I was out of the office I'd > like to be able to sync those changes to the outline on my desktop via > Bonjour. I suppose this could also be acheived with .Mac sync > support, but I'd prefer not to be dependant on the .Mac service. What you're describing here is document synchronization. Bonjour is simply a service discovery system. It provides a way for an application to advertise a network service and for clients to get a list of available services on the network. Unfortunately Apple's marketing of Bonjour (formerly Rendezvous) has caused many to believe that *it* is what's responsible for SebEthaEdit having document collaboration. Really Bonjour simply solves the problem of how you find servers on your network without knowing anything about the network configuration. -- -James Technical Support Engineer The Omni Group From eableson at mac.com Thu Jan 5 05:25:43 2006 From: eableson at mac.com (Erik Ableson) Date: Thu Jan 5 05:25:52 2006 Subject: 3.5 Upgrade Message-ID: <6441331B-1D7E-4677-8F2A-21169F06CA92@mac.com> Just a quick dumb question (since I haven't been paying much attention lately), is the 3.5 upgrade a pay for upgrade or can I continue using my existing 3.0 Pro license? Thanks, Erik From enkerli at gmail.com Thu Jan 5 10:39:49 2006 From: enkerli at gmail.com (Alexandre Enkerli) Date: Thu Jan 5 10:39:53 2006 Subject: Windows Outliner? Message-ID: All, Been an OO user for a few years and have enjoyed it tremendously. Really like the navigation and Cocoa integration as well as the possibilities for converting outlines to different formats including Keynote, RTF, and (with tweaking) LaTeX. Recently had my trusty old iBook die on me and have been forced to move to a Windows machine, at least temporarily. (No flames please!) Now, what's an OOuser to do with all of these .oo3 files on a Windows machine? None of them contains media so they can all be converted to OPML with little loss. (Incidentally, is there a script available to batch convert OO3 files to OPML? Should be trivial.) But then what? Is there a Windows XP program that has a feature set remotely similar to OO? It should be able to use OPML files, export to a good variety of formats (RTF, PPT, PDF, LaTeX...), have convenient navigation, and be reasonably priced. Palm integration would be great but it always seems to be a rather big issue and importing memoes into HandOutline works, to some extent. Been thinking about Dave Winer's OPML Editor and OO.org 2.0. Surely, other people have tackled this issue. Thanks! Alex From netsec at omnigroup.com Thu Jan 5 15:44:28 2006 From: netsec at omnigroup.com (netsec@omnigroup.com) Date: Thu Jan 5 15:44:30 2006 Subject: The Omni Group is hiring a QA person Message-ID: <66B7E0AB-59E8-4567-95CC-FEADBB505FAD@omnigroup.com> Interested parties should check our website for more info. If you have any questions, feel free to send them to . Sincerely, Brian C. Support & QA Manager Omni Group From lrivers at gmail.com Thu Jan 5 18:56:41 2006 From: lrivers at gmail.com (Lorin Rivers) Date: Thu Jan 5 18:56:44 2006 Subject: Couple AppleScripts you might want Message-ID: <949829840601051856x58e92697ic4b4fa27ac9708a3@mail.gmail.com> I've both been working OO and AppleScript out quite a bit lately. I whipped out these scripts for UI management. This one arranges 2 OO document windows horizontally: http://homepage.mac.com/lrivers/files/Arrange.zip This one makes the columns of a 2 column doc the same width: http://homepage.mac.com/lrivers/files/Columns.zip This one lets you set an OO Doc's title property: http://homepage.mac.com/lrivers/files/SetTitle.zip Regarding the last: I couldn't figure out a way to do this any other way. Of course, I didn't know such a thing existed until I explored the page setup for OO and discovered the header and footer settings, which sent me down the set title path. Even if you don't want to use my scripts, check out the page setup dialog. From fuzzytnth3 at mac.com Fri Jan 6 02:48:31 2006 From: fuzzytnth3 at mac.com (Graeme Mair) Date: Fri Jan 6 02:48:47 2006 Subject: Headers and Footers Message-ID: <55BDCE29-AF7E-4BA6-B2FA-F03F8747EE39@mac.com> Hi all this is my first e-mail on this List so excuse me if my question has been answered already. I'm using OO 3.5 and I want to display a Header and Footer for my document. According to the manual it says.... Select File ? Page Setup... to open the page setup sheet. In the Settings pop-up menu, select OmniOutliner. Click the Headers & Footers tab. What's puzzling me is the last line, I don't see a "Headers & Footer Tab". Is this a glitch or is it now somewhere else in the application? TIA Graeme http://homepage.mac.com/fuzzytnth3/ o__ o__ o__ o__ _.>/ _ _.>/ _ _.>/ _ _.>/ _ (_) \(_) (_) \(_) (_) \(_) (_) \(_) From kbiglione at gmail.com Fri Jan 6 10:26:22 2006 From: kbiglione at gmail.com (Kirk Biglione) Date: Fri Jan 6 10:26:26 2006 Subject: My New Years Wish - Bonjour Support In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > Apps like SubEthaEdit have very cleverly created multi-user text > editing, and made it look a little too easy. The main thing to keep > in mind is that SEE only operates on plain text. Because Outliner > files not only have structure but text styles, the problem for us is > many orders of magnitude more difficult. I was sort of afraid that would be the case. Now I'm wondering if it would be possible to write a couple of applescripts to transform a well-formatted text document to OO and back again as needed. BTW, thanks to the previous poster who suggested the File Sync tool. It works great and it's making my life quite a bit easier. From nachodog at mac.com Fri Jan 6 17:25:15 2006 From: nachodog at mac.com (nachodog@mac.com) Date: Fri Jan 6 17:25:23 2006 Subject: Markdown Template Message-ID: I have seen the benefits of using John Gruber's, Markdown. Quoting Gruber, "Markdown is a text-to-HTML conversion tool for web writers. Markdown allows you to write using an easy-to-read, easy-to-write plain text format, then convert it to structurally valid XHTML (or HTML)." You can read more about this tool here: http:// daringfireball.net/projects/markdown/ If you use OmniOutliner and know about Markdown, I sure you have seen Fletcher Penney's, Omnioutliner Markdown Plugin found here: http:// fletcher.freeshell.org/wiki/OmniOutlinerMarkdownPlugin This plugin works very well when you want your OO rows to be headers. However, I would like to customize a OO template to include such things as an ordered list. So here is what I have done: 1) For all level rows, I have set markdown code in the prefix of the row inspector. For example, level 1 prefix # level 2 prefix ## level 3 prefix * text 2) After writing a document exporting plaint text (fixed width) This works spits out this: # Class 1.3 ## Intro * this * that * this The problem is there are no line breaks, so it won't work as valid markdown code. So, is it possible to create line breaks so that your exported plain text file would look like: # Class 1.3 ## Intro * this * that * this Thanks for any thoughts! Steve From lpfeffer at verizon.net Fri Jan 6 18:21:14 2006 From: lpfeffer at verizon.net (L&L Pfeffer) Date: Fri Jan 6 18:21:15 2006 Subject: Headers and Footers In-Reply-To: <200601062000.k06K0Hqd006211@slowbro.omnigroup.com> References: <200601062000.k06K0Hqd006211@slowbro.omnigroup.com> Message-ID: <79E46B0B-687B-4A25-9FCD-86BCE48394BA@verizon.net> > From: Graeme Mair > Date: January 6, 2006 05:48:31 EST > > ...Select File ? Page Setup... to open the page setup sheet. > In the Settings pop-up menu, select OmniOutliner. > Click the Headers & Footers tab. > > What's puzzling me is the last line, I don't see a "Headers & > Footer Tab". Is this a glitch or is it now somewhere else in the > application? I went to look at this, and my first time I said "You're right!" Then ... I realized I looked in the Print dialog, not the Page Setup dialog! Still missing? open the pop-up at the top, where it says Page Attributes, and you'll see Omni Outliner (Pro) Did you find it? --Liz From curt.clifton at mac.com Sat Jan 7 09:53:28 2006 From: curt.clifton at mac.com (Curtis Clifton) Date: Sat Jan 7 09:53:33 2006 Subject: Headers and Footers In-Reply-To: <79E46B0B-687B-4A25-9FCD-86BCE48394BA@verizon.net> References: <200601062000.k06K0Hqd006211@slowbro.omnigroup.com> <79E46B0B-687B-4A25-9FCD-86BCE48394BA@verizon.net> Message-ID: <240C189F-3DB8-4E2B-A1CE-6F1AC0CE092D@mac.com> On Jan 6, 2006, at 9:21 PM, L&L Pfeffer wrote: >> From: Graeme Mair >> Date: January 6, 2006 05:48:31 EST >> >> ...Select File ? Page Setup... to open the page setup sheet. >> In the Settings pop-up menu, select OmniOutliner. >> Click the Headers & Footers tab. >> >> What's puzzling me is the last line, I don't see a "Headers & >> Footer Tab". Is this a glitch or is it now somewhere else in the >> application? > > I went to look at this, and my first time I said "You're right!" > > Then ... > > I realized I looked in the Print dialog, not the Page Setup dialog! > > Still missing? open the pop-up at the top, where it says Page > Attributes, and you'll see Omni Outliner (Pro) > > Did you find it? Custom headers and footers are a Pro-only feature. (Graeme and I discussed this off-list. Gotta remember to hit Reply All!) Cheers, Curt From ls at fortus.se Sun Jan 8 01:09:15 2006 From: ls at fortus.se (Leif Stenudd) Date: Sun Jan 8 01:09:23 2006 Subject: Option to suppress parts of numbering? Message-ID: <8B2D0B70-D8FF-4EBF-A1D8-F6CE758E6EF1@fortus.se> When I saw this post I was glad to see that there are more persons than me having this need. More than a year ago I sent an email to OmniGroup. I think my request was added to the future "feature list". Let me restate my needs and how OO works today as I understand it. My needs: Line 1 without label: On this line I would like to write anything (as an introdution to a topic eg) Line 2 with a label: 1) Headline topic Line 3 with a label: 1a) Subtopic line How it works today in OO: Line 1 can be written suppressing the label Line 2 will be written as: 2) Headline topic ------that is: not 1) Line 3 will be written as: 2a) Subtopic line------that is: not 1a) Best regards Leif Stenudd From ls at fortus.se Sun Jan 8 01:14:36 2006 From: ls at fortus.se (Leif Stenudd) Date: Sun Jan 8 01:14:40 2006 Subject: Indication of level number Message-ID: <01282799-35CF-4E4B-B77F-DF0D7BE200AD@fortus.se> I really like OO 3.5. Up to now I have used MORE for more than ten years. OO is a very good successor in OSX-environment. What I lack is an indicator of what level my outline is when working on a certain line. It often happens that I work with different styles for the different levels but without indents. Then it is very difficult to know which level I happen to be in if I don't use "trial-and-error", i e start to write to see what style that emerges. Maybe there is a way to see the active level or is this a feature that is missing? Best regards Leif Stenudd From robinfrancistrew at mac.com Mon Jan 9 04:51:20 2006 From: robinfrancistrew at mac.com (Robin Trew) Date: Mon Jan 9 04:51:31 2006 Subject: Applescript for 'Save As' to a new filename Message-ID: <6C344A0C-B353-4526-8DF2-0B0B89765726@mac.com> I have sketched a first Applescript draft of a Save routine which automatically provides or increments a numeric ending to the file name, every time it is used to save a file. e.g. RoughNotes0001.oo3 automatically becomes, at the next save RoughNotes0002.oo3 I have not really discovered, however, a good way of implementing a simple Save As (to new filename) in Applescript. The current draft ends, quite clumsily, with: tell application "OmniOutliner Professional" save docFront in strIncrementedPath close docFront open strIncrementedPath activate end tell Do I really have to explicitly close the current document, and open the newly created file ? This creates a degree of screen flicker. Does anyone know a way of implementing a simpler Save As ? Thanks ! Robin Trew From briancampbell at mac.com Mon Jan 9 08:24:00 2006 From: briancampbell at mac.com (Brian Campbell) Date: Mon Jan 9 08:24:04 2006 Subject: Applescript action for "completed" items Message-ID: <65286796-C615-4F6D-8CB3-2C738F177CAD@mac.com> I'm new to OmniOutliner, this list and pretty much clueless about AppleScript. However, i'm wondering... Is it possible to create a script that applies a style (say changing the color of a row and it's children) once the checkbox for that row has been selected? An alternative that I'd even prefer is to create a dropdown list, and apply different styles to a row based on the selection from that list... Cheers! Brian From curt.clifton at mac.com Mon Jan 9 11:55:37 2006 From: curt.clifton at mac.com (Curtis Clifton) Date: Mon Jan 9 11:53:37 2006 Subject: Applescript action for "completed" items In-Reply-To: <65286796-C615-4F6D-8CB3-2C738F177CAD@mac.com> References: <65286796-C615-4F6D-8CB3-2C738F177CAD@mac.com> Message-ID: On Jan 9, 2006, at 11:24 AM, Brian Campbell wrote: > I'm new to OmniOutliner, this list and pretty much clueless about > AppleScript. However, i'm wondering... Is it possible to create a > script that applies a style (say changing the color of a row and > it's children) once the checkbox for that row has been selected? property completedStrikethroughColor : {39321, 39321, 39321} property completedStrikethroughStyle : "single" tell front document of application "OmniOutliner Professional" -- Clears style attributes that I'm using to track completion set notDoneRows to a reference to (every row whose state is not checked) set value of attribute "font-fill" of style of notDoneRows to missing value set value of attribute "strikethrough-style" of style of notDoneRows to missing value -- Set style attributes that I'm using to track completion set doneRows to a reference to (every row whose state is checked) set value of attribute "font-fill" of style of doneRows to completedStrikethroughColor set value of attribute "strikethrough-style" of style of doneRows to completedStrikethroughStyle end tell > An alternative that I'd even prefer is to create a dropdown list, > and apply different styles to a row based on the selection from > that list... That's slightly more complex, mostly because you need to set up some sort of mapping that says for a give selection in the list and given highlight should apply. Here's one example for modification: -- a list of pairs for coloring rows property colorMap : {{val:"One", col:{65535, 40000, 40000}}, {val:"Two", col:{65535, 30000, 30000}}, {val:"Three", col:{65535, 20000, 20000}}} property attributeToUse : "text-background-color" property columnOfInterest : "Priority" tell front document of application "OmniOutliner Professional" -- Clears style attributes that I'm using to track completion set allRows to a reference to (every row) set value of attribute attributeToUse of style of allRows to missing value repeat with aValueColorPair in colorMap set interestingRows to (a reference to (every row whose value of cell columnOfInterest is (val of aValueColorPair))) set value of attribute attributeToUse of style of interestingRows to (col of aValueColorPair) end repeat end tell Hope that helps! Cheers, Curt ---------------------------------- Curt Clifton, Asst. Professor Computer Science and Software Engineering Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology 812.877.8593 http://www.rose-hulman.edu/~clifton From zimboden at invisibility.com Mon Jan 9 17:12:30 2006 From: zimboden at invisibility.com (Zac Imboden) Date: Mon Jan 9 17:12:48 2006 Subject: cleaner RTF exporting Message-ID: I noticed that when printing a document that is hoisted, the hoist level is honored. All that prints is the hoisted text. Not so with Export. When I export to RTF, all the non-hoisted level one headers are included. I don't know if I'm selecting or not selecting something I should. I do an export to RTF weekly to format my outline sections in Word (Ugh!) and then PDF (yay) in order to send off weekly reports. Perhaps there is an Applescript that could do this? -- ------------------------------- "Invisibility: The Next Best Thing To Being There" Zac Imboden 206-355-8171 zac@invisibility.com http://www.invisibility.com From anthony at cibernet.com Tue Jan 10 15:39:45 2006 From: anthony at cibernet.com (Anthony Sorace) Date: Tue Jan 10 15:46:37 2006 Subject: Help or examples creating export format Message-ID: <5C3EC565-57CA-49B2-B382-F17BF776A654@cibernet.com> Folks: I'm trying to create a custom export module for OO3 Pro. This is my first time attempting such a thing or working with XSLT, although I've done a decent amount of other conversions. The format I'm looking to export is a custom plain-text deal with just text separation. I want to take something that looks like: animals beagle mammal(dog) alpo and output something that looks like: list of animals { beagle : mammal(dog) eats alpo; } The "eats alpo" should be omitted if the filed in the outline containing alpo is blank. There's some complications from there, but I'm happy to work on them from a functional base that does this basic step. I've gotten the Omni examples and SDK and such, but there doesn't seem to be an example for this. The closest is the Debug exporter, which is awful basic (the XSLT sheet basically does nothing except add a header and footer). Can anyone provide pointers, further information, or more useful examples? All help much appreciated. Anthony From designbytes at earthlink.net Wed Jan 11 12:35:33 2006 From: designbytes at earthlink.net (Paul M. Hudy) Date: Wed Jan 11 13:35:22 2006 Subject: help with oddity Message-ID: I created two outline pro docs (v3.03) using default settings. both look the same on the screen. when I print, the font/type on one is much smaller than the other, even though both show helvetica 12 as the font. any ideas? I would prefer them to be identical font size. Similar when I create a pdf from the two docs as well. thanks Paul -------- Paul M. Hudy Designbytes 113 Persimmon Hill Trail Pittsboro, NC 27312 designbytes@earthlink.net 919-933-2045 From curt.clifton at mac.com Wed Jan 11 19:12:12 2006 From: curt.clifton at mac.com (Curtis Clifton) Date: Wed Jan 11 19:12:19 2006 Subject: help with oddity In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45147965-980D-4F3B-B646-131E399390D4@mac.com> Paul, On Jan 11, 2006, at 3:35 PM, Paul M. Hudy wrote: > I created two outline pro docs (v3.03) using default settings. > > both look the same on the screen. when I print, the font/type on > one is much smaller than the other, even though both show helvetica > 12 as the font. > > any ideas? I would prefer them to be identical font size. Similar > when I create a pdf from the two docs as well. Do you have the Scale to Fit print setting on? If so, is one outline window wider than the other? That would make the two outlines scale differently. HTH, Curt From jlaudun at bellsouth.net Wed Jan 11 20:12:40 2006 From: jlaudun at bellsouth.net (John Laudun) Date: Wed Jan 11 20:12:45 2006 Subject: Help or examples creating export format In-Reply-To: <200601112000.k0BK0Aqd017347@slowbro.omnigroup.com> Message-ID: > Can anyone provide pointers, further information, or more useful > examples? All help much appreciated. Anthony ... Have you taken a look at the export plug-in that someone did to convert OO documents into MarkDown? I don't have the url to it at hand, but a Google search should turn it up. That's about as much help as I can give. Sorry. (But do let us know if you're willing to share your plug-in!) From fletcher at alumni.duke.edu Wed Jan 11 21:27:35 2006 From: fletcher at alumni.duke.edu (Fletcher T. Penney) Date: Wed Jan 11 21:52:30 2006 Subject: Help or examples creating export format In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2774C992-168F-420E-B111-5BCAD97F7AB9@alumni.duke.edu> http://fletcher.freeshell.org/wiki/OmniOutlinerMarkdownPlugin F- On Jan 11, 2006, at 11:12 PM, John Laudun wrote: > >> Can anyone provide pointers, further information, or more useful >> examples? All help much appreciated. > > Anthony ... Have you taken a look at the export plug-in that > someone did to > convert OO documents into MarkDown? I don't have the url to it at > hand, but > a Google search should turn it up. That's about as much help as I > can give. > Sorry. (But do let us know if you're willing to share your plug-in!) > > > _______________________________________________ > OmniOutliner-Users mailing list > OmniOutliner-Users@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnioutliner-users -- Fletcher T. Penney fletcher@alumni.duke.edu When it comes time to do your own life, you either perpetuate your childhood or you stand on it and finally kick it out from under. - Rosellen Brown From designbytes at earthlink.net Thu Jan 12 15:50:01 2006 From: designbytes at earthlink.net (Paul M. Hudy) Date: Thu Jan 12 15:50:17 2006 Subject: help with oddity In-Reply-To: <45147965-980D-4F3B-B646-131E399390D4@mac.com> References: <45147965-980D-4F3B-B646-131E399390D4@mac.com> Message-ID: thanks. the page widths were different and scale to fit was checked. I had forgotten about that behavior with OO as I have been using it mostly for personal notes taking and rarely print. thanks Paul --On Wednesday, January 11, 2006 10:12 PM -0500 Curtis Clifton wrote: > Paul, > > On Jan 11, 2006, at 3:35 PM, Paul M. Hudy wrote: > >> I created two outline pro docs (v3.03) using default settings. >> >> both look the same on the screen. when I print, the font/type on >> one is much smaller than the other, even though both show helvetica >> 12 as the font. >> >> any ideas? I would prefer them to be identical font size. Similar >> when I create a pdf from the two docs as well. > > Do you have the Scale to Fit print setting on? If so, is one outline > window wider than the other? That would make the two outlines scale > differently. > > HTH, > > Curt Paul M. Hudy Designbytes 113 Persimmon Hill Trail Pittsboro, NC 27312 designbytes@earthlink.net 919-933-2045 From jlaudun at bellsouth.net Thu Jan 12 18:14:17 2006 From: jlaudun at bellsouth.net (John Laudun) Date: Thu Jan 12 18:14:37 2006 Subject: Sorry Fletcher! In-Reply-To: <200601122000.k0CK0Gqd027997@slowbro.omnigroup.com> Message-ID: > > http://fletcher.freeshell.org/wiki/OmniOutlinerMarkdownPlugin > > F- > Sorry, Fletcher. Thanks for writing such a useful plugin. If I may ask the list's indulgence for a moment, as well as for the help of other coding/scripting gurus like Curtis, has anybody else take a look at the S5 format? It's a curious combo of XHTML, CSS, and javascript and seems to be a really interesting alternative for creating *very* lightweight presentations that are primarily text-oriented. (I don't know if I would trust too much more to it.) It is, however, tedious to create a presentation, using an editor like SubEthaEdit (insert your favorite editor here). Would there be any possibility of being able to export out of OO -- even if you could get OO to generate the text for just the actual slides themselves, which you could then paste into the rest of the xhtml document, would be real time and eye saver. For those unfamiliar with the S5 stuff, here's the link: http://www.meyerweb.com/eric/tools/s5/ From jlaudun at bellsouth.net Thu Jan 12 19:25:30 2006 From: jlaudun at bellsouth.net (John Laudun) Date: Thu Jan 12 19:25:36 2006 Subject: Export to Keynote kinkery In-Reply-To: <200601122000.k0CK0Gqd027997@slowbro.omnigroup.com> Message-ID: Am I the only member of this list who suffers from Keynote kinkery? The reference this time around is to something I have regularly encountered when exporting from OO Pro to Keynote 2: whatever slides get created out of the export are "stuck" in their respective Themes and Masters at the time of export. If I create new slides within the presentation, I can change things, but I can't -- no matter how I try -- get the exported slides to change. Please tell me that someone else has encountered this. From jlaudun at bellsouth.net Thu Jan 12 19:34:56 2006 From: jlaudun at bellsouth.net (John Laudun) Date: Thu Jan 12 19:35:09 2006 Subject: Exporting to OG (Pro) In-Reply-To: <200601122000.k0CK0Gqd027997@slowbro.omnigroup.com> Message-ID: Okay, as a workaround, I thought I would switch to OG4 to generate my lecture slides -- I can get just as good results, for the most part, and the only thing I miss are the transition and build effects, which frankly, don't do much for me. Is there a way to get OG to create multiple canvases out of an OO document, in the same way the Keynote export works? This seems like maybe even an obvious feature. And, yes, of course I would have all these questions and comments while everyone is away at MacWorld. From kc at omnigroup.com Thu Jan 12 23:20:44 2006 From: kc at omnigroup.com (Ken Case) Date: Thu Jan 12 23:20:57 2006 Subject: Sorry Fletcher! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <27C93D95-73D4-4215-A98E-1D7C3A6D440E@omnigroup.com> On Jan 12, 2006, at 18:14, John Laudun wrote: > has anybody else take a look at the S5 format? There's an S5 plug-in by Bruce D'Arcus listed on the OmniOutliner extras web page: . Hope this helps! Ken From kc at omnigroup.com Thu Jan 12 23:31:30 2006 From: kc at omnigroup.com (Ken Case) Date: Thu Jan 12 23:31:54 2006 Subject: Universal Binary builds posted Tuesday Message-ID: Just in case anyone didn't notice our press release earlier this week, I thought I'd mention that we released Universal Binary builds of OmniGraffle 4, OmniOutliner 3, OmniDiskSweeper, and OmniObjectMeter on Tuesday. (OmniWeb 5.5 is also Universal, but it's still in development.) These are all free updates which you can download from our web site. Enjoy! Ken From mix at jps.net Sat Jan 14 07:58:59 2006 From: mix at jps.net (Mik Hennessy) Date: Sat Jan 14 09:40:43 2006 Subject: Hide notes Message-ID: It's probably really obvious, but I can't seem to find the "hide all (inline) notes" command. Thanks, Mik From curt.clifton at mac.com Sat Jan 14 11:10:20 2006 From: curt.clifton at mac.com (Curt Clifton) Date: Sat Jan 14 11:10:27 2006 Subject: Hide notes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Mik, On Jan 14, 2006, at 10:58 AM, Mik Hennessy wrote: > It's probably really obvious, but I can't seem to find the "hide > all (inline) > notes" command. I'm don't think that such a command exists. The following AppleScript will do it: tell front document of application "OmniOutliner Professional" set note expanded of every row to false end tell Or for just the selected rows, try: tell front document of application "OmniOutliner Professional" set note expanded of every selected row to false end tell Cheers, Curt From mix at jps.net Sat Jan 14 15:02:32 2006 From: mix at jps.net (Mik Hennessy) Date: Sat Jan 14 15:02:50 2006 Subject: Hide notes In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Thank you, Curt. Both work perfectly. Mik >The following AppleScript will do it: >Curt From jlaudun at bellsouth.net Sun Jan 15 14:50:49 2006 From: jlaudun at bellsouth.net (John Laudun) Date: Sun Jan 15 14:50:53 2006 Subject: Convert row to note of parent row? In-Reply-To: <200601152000.k0FK0Gqd026163@slowbro.omnigroup.com> Message-ID: Here's something that happens to me regularly: I realize that a row, or series of rows, really should be a note attached to the parent row. The ability to do this is not built into OO Pro itself, but is it possible to write an AppleScript to do this -- if someone would but say yes, I would try it myself. Of course, it would also be cool to have a script that would do the reverse, transform notes into child row(s). From curt.clifton at mac.com Sun Jan 15 17:16:15 2006 From: curt.clifton at mac.com (Curt Clifton) Date: Sun Jan 15 17:16:28 2006 Subject: Convert row to note of parent row? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: John, On Jan 15, 2006, at 5:50 PM, John Laudun wrote: > > Here's something that happens to me regularly: I realize that a > row, or > series of rows, really should be a note attached to the parent row. > The > ability to do this is not built into OO Pro itself, but is it > possible to > write an AppleScript to do this -- if someone would but say yes, I > would try > it myself. > > Of course, it would also be cool to have a script that would do the > reverse, > transform notes into child row(s). Here's a script to do the reverse that I had lying around. Turning child rows into a note is also doable. -- Splits notes of selected row into multiple rows, one for each paragraph -- Leaves all other data for the selected row attached to the original row tell front document of application "OmniOutliner Professional" try set v_selrow to selected row 1 on error beep display dialog "You must select a row to split." buttons {"Close"} default button "Close" return end try set v_parent to v_selrow set v_topic to note of v_selrow set theParagraphs to every paragraph in v_topic -- Nothing to do? Then do it. if (count of theParagraphs) is 0 then return -- Creates the new rows tell v_parent repeat with v_p in theParagraphs make new row with properties {topic:v_p} at ? after last child of it end repeat end tell set note of v_selrow to "" set expanded of v_selrow to true end tell Cheers, Curt From dflatin at rcn.com Sun Jan 15 18:09:23 2006 From: dflatin at rcn.com (Daniel Flatin) Date: Sun Jan 15 18:09:28 2006 Subject: Convert row to note of parent row? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I posted this script several weeks ago requesting advice on how to make the last line work (and any other advice -- I am only an occasional scripter), but I guess no-one saw it. In any case, it takes the selected rows and concatenates them into a note in the parent row. It has several flaws, but it seems to get the basic job done -- except for deleting the selected rows afterward. tell application "OmniOutliner Professional" set MyDoc to front document set theRows to selected rows of MyDoc set theParent to parent of (first item of theRows) set noteText to note of theParent repeat with theRow in theRows tell theRow if (noteText is not "") then set noteText to noteText & return & topic else set noteText to topic end if end tell end repeat set note of theParent to noteText delete (every row of theRows) -- this line doesn't work end tell On Jan 15, 2006, at 20:16, Curt Clifton wrote: > John, > > On Jan 15, 2006, at 5:50 PM, John Laudun wrote: > >> >> Here's something that happens to me regularly: I realize that a >> row, or >> series of rows, really should be a note attached to the parent >> row. The >> ability to do this is not built into OO Pro itself, but is it >> possible to >> write an AppleScript to do this -- if someone would but say yes, I >> would try >> it myself. >> >> Of course, it would also be cool to have a script that would do >> the reverse, >> transform notes into child row(s). > > Here's a script to do the reverse that I had lying around. Turning > child rows into a note is also doable. > > -- Splits notes of selected row into multiple rows, one for each > paragraph > -- Leaves all other data for the selected row attached to the > original row > tell front document of application "OmniOutliner Professional" > try > set v_selrow to selected row 1 > on error > beep > display dialog "You must select a row to split." buttons > {"Close"} default button "Close" > return > end try > > set v_parent to v_selrow > set v_topic to note of v_selrow > set theParagraphs to every paragraph in v_topic > > -- Nothing to do? Then do it. > if (count of theParagraphs) is 0 then return > > -- Creates the new rows > tell v_parent > repeat with v_p in theParagraphs > make new row with properties {topic:v_p} at ? > after last child of it > end repeat > end tell > > set note of v_selrow to "" > set expanded of v_selrow to true > end tell > > > Cheers, > > Curt_______________________________________________ > OmniOutliner-Users mailing list > OmniOutliner-Users@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnioutliner-users From curt.clifton at mac.com Sun Jan 15 19:17:04 2006 From: curt.clifton at mac.com (Curt Clifton) Date: Sun Jan 15 19:17:11 2006 Subject: Convert row to note of parent row? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1B931C3C-3BE0-4102-B562-09EBD536A335@mac.com> Daniel, On Jan 15, 2006, at 9:09 PM, Daniel Flatin wrote: > I posted this script several weeks ago requesting advice on how to > make the last line work (and any other advice -- I am only an > occasional scripter), but I guess no-one saw it. In any case, it > takes the selected rows and concatenates them into a note in the > parent row. It has several flaws, but it seems to get the basic job > done -- except for deleting the selected rows afterward. Deletion are hard to script right, especially when you're trying to delete the rows in a selection. The trouble seems to be that the rows are recorded by position in the outline, and once you start deleting rows the position information is no longer correct. I'm afraid I don't have an easy answer or a snippet of code that would be very helpful. You might consider rewriting the script so that rather than making a note out of the selected rows it makes a note out of the children of the first selected row. WIth that interface, then you could use something like: delete (every row of theParent) Cheers, Curt From e at ejas.net Sun Jan 15 19:29:21 2006 From: e at ejas.net (Ethan J. A. Schoonover) Date: Sun Jan 15 19:29:30 2006 Subject: Convert row to note of parent row? In-Reply-To: <1B931C3C-3BE0-4102-B562-09EBD536A335@mac.com> References: <1B931C3C-3BE0-4102-B562-09EBD536A335@mac.com> Message-ID: As an aside, the delete problem Curt describes can be worked around by repeating through a list of rows in reverse order. It's faster to use a single filter (like the "every row" sample) but reverse repeating through a list of rows will not alter the sequence of the rows in the filtered list. I'm sure there is a better way than this... anyone? I suppose another option would be a recursive delete function that strips out the last row. That's how I handle deletions (more or less) in kgtd. Also probably not the best solution. es Ethan J. A. Schoonover ---------------------------------- e@ejas.net Photos: http://ejas.net Tech: http://kinkless.com Skype: ethanschoonover Mobile: +852 9871-0100 GMT+8 On 16 Jan 2006, at 11:17 AM, Curt Clifton wrote: > Deletion are hard to script right, especially when you're trying to > delete the rows in a selection. The trouble seems to be that the > rows are recorded by position in the outline, and once you start > deleting rows the position information is no longer correct. > > I'm afraid I don't have an easy answer or a snippet of code that > would be very helpful. You might consider rewriting the script so > that rather than making a note out of the selected rows it makes a > note out of the children of the first selected row. WIth that > interface, then you could use something like: > > delete (every row of theParent) From dflatin at rcn.com Mon Jan 16 17:11:40 2006 From: dflatin at rcn.com (Daniel Flatin) Date: Mon Jan 16 17:11:44 2006 Subject: Convert row to note of parent row? In-Reply-To: <1B931C3C-3BE0-4102-B562-09EBD536A335@mac.com> References: <1B931C3C-3BE0-4102-B562-09EBD536A335@mac.com> Message-ID: <17E9BB26-18E1-4D85-8B80-9DDA34D0EF00@rcn.com> Curt Clifton wrote: > Deletion are hard to script right, especially when you're trying to > delete the rows in a selection. The trouble seems to be that the > rows are recorded by position in the outline, and once you start > deleting rows the position information is no longer correct. > > I'm afraid I don't have an easy answer or a snippet of code that > would be very helpful. You might consider rewriting the script so > that rather than making a note out of the selected rows it makes a > note out of the children of the first selected row. WIth that > interface, then you could use something like: > > delete (every row of theParent) And Ethan wrote: > As an aside, the delete problem Curt describes can be worked around > by repeating through a list of rows in reverse order. It's faster > to use a single filter (like the "every row" sample) but reverse > repeating through a list of rows will not alter the sequence of the > rows in the filtered list. I'm sure there is a better way than > this... anyone? I thank you both for the insights. I hadn't considered the fact that the position reference was being perturbed by the act of deleting. Sort of a Heisenberg principle here. Dan From jam at omnigroup.com Mon Jan 16 19:21:17 2006 From: jam at omnigroup.com (James Moore) Date: Mon Jan 16 19:21:22 2006 Subject: 3.5 Upgrade In-Reply-To: <6441331B-1D7E-4677-8F2A-21169F06CA92@mac.com> References: <6441331B-1D7E-4677-8F2A-21169F06CA92@mac.com> Message-ID: On Jan 5, 2006, at 5:25 AM, Erik Ableson wrote: > Just a quick dumb question (since I haven't been paying much attention > lately), is the 3.5 upgrade a pay for upgrade or can I continue > using my > existing 3.0 Pro license? Erik all of our point release updates are free. This is true for all of our apps. -James From curt.clifton at mac.com Mon Jan 16 06:07:36 2006 From: curt.clifton at mac.com (Curt Clifton) Date: Tue Jan 17 16:20:35 2006 Subject: Convert row to note of parent row? In-Reply-To: References: <1B931C3C-3BE0-4102-B562-09EBD536A335@mac.com> Message-ID: <07DF41F7-A120-4D6B-B298-A5C2960C206E@mac.com> On Jan 15, 2006, at 10:29 PM, Ethan J. A. Schoonover wrote: > As an aside, the delete problem Curt describes can be worked around > by repeating through a list of rows in reverse order. It's faster > to use a single filter (like the "every row" sample) but reverse > repeating through a list of rows will not alter the sequence of the > rows in the filtered list. I'm sure there is a better way than > this... anyone? > > I suppose another option would be a recursive delete function that > strips out the last row. That's how I handle deletions (more or > less) in kgtd. Also probably not the best solution. Another refinement is to use the 'expel descendants' command to reduce the list to the smallest one possible. You still need to iterate over it in reverse, but the loop is a bit tighter this way. Cheers, Curt From jam at omnigroup.com Wed Jan 18 10:13:15 2006 From: jam at omnigroup.com (James Moore) Date: Wed Jan 18 10:13:18 2006 Subject: Keynote 3 Message-ID: Hey folks, right now OmniOutliner isn't playing nicely with Keynote 3. We're going to be looking into the problem soon and we'll send out another update when we know more. Sorry for the inconvenience. -- -James Technical Support Engineer The Omni Group From jlaudun at bellsouth.net Wed Jan 18 12:13:04 2006 From: jlaudun at bellsouth.net (John Laudun) Date: Wed Jan 18 12:13:17 2006 Subject: Keynote 3 In-Reply-To: <200601182000.k0IK0Kqd021552@slowbro.omnigroup.com> Message-ID: > Hey folks, right now OmniOutliner isn't playing nicely with Keynote > 3. We're going to be looking into the problem soon and we'll send out > another update when we know more. Sorry for the inconvenience. I was unaware the OO played nice with K2. ;) From mick at exegesis.com Wed Jan 18 13:35:30 2006 From: mick at exegesis.com (Mick Matousek) Date: Wed Jan 18 13:35:44 2006 Subject: Keynote 3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: >> Hey folks, right now OmniOutliner isn't playing nicely with Keynote >> 3. We're going to be looking into the problem soon and we'll send out >> another update when we know more. Sorry for the inconvenience. > >I was unaware the OO played nice with K2. ;) > The only stopper for me is the inability of OO to filter export. It is not possible to prevent everything from being exported to Keynote w/o manually deleting unwanted items from OO before exporting. -- Thanks, Mick From walnutcrunch at gmail.com Wed Jan 18 14:31:23 2006 From: walnutcrunch at gmail.com (Walnut Crunch) Date: Wed Jan 18 14:31:28 2006 Subject: lag in typing Message-ID: I'm using the latest version of outliner pro on a G4-800 and when typing it has become very laggy. It used to be really crisp but now there is a discernable annoying lag when I type. The lagging document is about 3 pages long with a number of bullet points and lots of notes for each bullet point. I've also used semi transparant colours to highlight different bullet points. Is it the colour that is slowing down outliner or something else? From sgoldenberg at mac.com Wed Jan 18 15:56:21 2006 From: sgoldenberg at mac.com (Seth J. Goldenberg) Date: Wed Jan 18 15:56:29 2006 Subject: lag in typing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I can second that experience. However, I noticed that it appears to happen due to autosaving. As my Kinkless document is rather large at this point it takes a while to save to the disk. Not sure if this is the same issue, but try turning off autosaving in the General Preferences and see if it still happens. On Jan 18, 2006, at 2:31 PM, Walnut Crunch wrote: > I'm using the latest version of outliner pro on a G4-800 and when > typing it > has become very laggy. > > It used to be really crisp but now there is a discernable annoying > lag when > I type. > > The lagging document is about 3 pages long with a number of bullet > points > and lots of notes for each bullet point. > > I've also used semi transparant colours to highlight different bullet > points. > > Is it the colour that is slowing down outliner or something else? > _______________________________________________ > OmniOutliner-Users mailing list > OmniOutliner-Users@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnioutliner-users From zimboden at invisibility.com Thu Jan 19 11:07:53 2006 From: zimboden at invisibility.com (Zac Imboden) Date: Thu Jan 19 11:08:20 2006 Subject: lag in typing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I noticed lag typing in an earlier version of OO. I found it was caused by having the Inspector window open. I tried numerous experiments to see if it was related to the font of the text, color, etc, but these didn't have any effect. At 2:31 PM -0800 1/18/06, Walnut Crunch wrote: >I'm using the latest version of outliner pro on a G4-800 and when typing it >has become very laggy. > >It used to be really crisp but now there is a discernable annoying lag when >I type. > >The lagging document is about 3 pages long with a number of bullet points >and lots of notes for each bullet point. > >I've also used semi transparant colours to highlight different bullet >points. > >Is it the colour that is slowing down outliner or something else? >_______________________________________________ >OmniOutliner-Users mailing list >OmniOutliner-Users@omnigroup.com >http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnioutliner-users -- ------------------------------- "Invisibility: The Next Best Thing To Being There" Zac Imboden 206-355-8171 zac@invisibility.com http://www.invisibility.com From kc at omnigroup.com Thu Jan 19 12:01:51 2006 From: kc at omnigroup.com (Ken Case) Date: Thu Jan 19 12:01:53 2006 Subject: lag in typing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <26CE1AEB-418B-42F2-BC62-A6F7A8330B0D@omnigroup.com> On Jan 18, 2006, at 14:31 , Walnut Crunch wrote: > I'm using the latest version of outliner pro on a G4-800 and when > typing it has become very laggy. > > It used to be really crisp but now there is a discernable annoying > lag when I type. If you could send us a sample of what OmniOutliner is doing while it's lagging, we might be able to determine exactly why it's doing so and perhaps improve OmniOutliner's performance for future releases. You can collect a sample by running Activity Monitor (in Applications:Utilities), selecting OmniOutliner (you can find it quickly by using the filter) and running the Sample Process command from the View menu. Ken From kc at omnigroup.com Thu Jan 19 12:04:36 2006 From: kc at omnigroup.com (Ken Case) Date: Thu Jan 19 12:04:39 2006 Subject: lag in typing In-Reply-To: <26CE1AEB-418B-42F2-BC62-A6F7A8330B0D@omnigroup.com> References: <26CE1AEB-418B-42F2-BC62-A6F7A8330B0D@omnigroup.com> Message-ID: On Jan 19, 2006, at 12:01 , Ken Case wrote: > If you could send us a sample of what OmniOutliner is doing while > it's lagging, we might be able to determine exactly why it's doing > so and perhaps improve OmniOutliner's performance for future > releases. You can collect a sample by running Activity Monitor (in > Applications:Utilities), selecting OmniOutliner (you can find it > quickly by using the filter) and running the Sample Process command > from the View menu. P.S. -- I forgot to say that the best way to send us that sample is to choose Send Feedback from OmniOutliner's Help menu, then paste that sample into the feedback message. We try to respond to all feedback sent this way within one business day. Hope this helps! Ken From gernot.maier at web.de Thu Jan 19 14:12:37 2006 From: gernot.maier at web.de (Gernot Maier) Date: Thu Jan 19 14:12:43 2006 Subject: change keyboard shortcuts Message-ID: <43D00ED5.6070704@web.de> Hi, is there a way to change keyboard shortcuts? I would like to have a shortcut to change the color of text (something like the shortcut the make it bold), which currently takes several mouse clicks. Thanks. Gernot From kc at omnigroup.com Thu Jan 19 15:11:47 2006 From: kc at omnigroup.com (Ken Case) Date: Thu Jan 19 15:11:50 2006 Subject: change keyboard shortcuts In-Reply-To: <43D00ED5.6070704@web.de> References: <43D00ED5.6070704@web.de> Message-ID: <5E46A343-5919-497A-80F3-069C4AD401F9@omnigroup.com> On Jan 19, 2006, at 14:12 , Gernot Maier wrote: > is there a way to change keyboard shortcuts? You can define custom keyboard shortcuts for menu items in the Keyboard & Mouse pane of System Preferences. > I would like to have a shortcut to change the color of text > (something like the shortcut the make it bold), which currently > takes several mouse clicks. Unfortunately, the above advice won't help you for changing the text color, since we don't have menu items for that. But there's good news: if you're using OmniOutliner Professional, you can create named styles for different colors (we have some example named styles in the default document), then use the associated function keys (F1, F2, etc.) to apply those styles (as you do with the keyboard shortcut for Bold). Ken From trevor at vocaro.com Thu Jan 19 15:25:15 2006 From: trevor at vocaro.com (Trevor Harmon) Date: Thu Jan 19 15:25:38 2006 Subject: change keyboard shortcuts In-Reply-To: <43D00ED5.6070704@web.de> References: <43D00ED5.6070704@web.de> Message-ID: <20622E50-DCE0-409F-8485-6CBA8DFBD41A@vocaro.com> On Jan 19, 2006, at 2:12 PM, Gernot Maier wrote: > I would like to have a shortcut to change the color of text > (something like the shortcut the make it bold), which currently > takes several mouse clicks. Try this: 1. Make sure the Styles Palette (in the Utilities drawer) is open. 2. Click the + to add a new style, give it a name, and note its hotkey 3. Go the Appearance pane of the Inspector and change the text color to what you want You can now select some text in your document, then hit the hotkey for the style. Trevor From njriley at uiuc.edu Thu Jan 19 15:17:48 2006 From: njriley at uiuc.edu (Nicholas Riley) Date: Thu Jan 19 15:48:32 2006 Subject: Named style behavior [was Re: change keyboard shortcuts] In-Reply-To: <43D00ED5.6070704@web.de> References: <43D00ED5.6070704@web.de> Message-ID: <20060119231748.GA51117@uiuc.edu> On Thu, Jan 19, 2006 at 03:12:37PM -0700, Gernot Maier wrote: > is there a way to change keyboard shortcuts? > > I would like to have a shortcut to change the color of text (something > like the shortcut the make it bold), which currently takes several mouse > clicks. You can use the named styles to do this; that's what I do. They get automatically assigned to the function keys. It reminds me of another thing - is there a way to do "Show Styles View" other than the menu? I often find my named styles are being misapplied - i.e., if you have a heading with a single subhead and apply a style to the subhead, it gets saved at the level of the heading, which means that additional subheads get the style when I don't want them to, and there's no way to turn off the style from the keyboard I know of. The "Style Attributes" palette doesn't show attributes of subheads, so if I delete the last styled subhead of some heading, the style is lurking in wait to reapply the next time I create a subhead, yet it's not visible anywhere in the UI I can tell. If it's the only heading in the document, it's even worse - the Styles View shows nothing even when I click on the subhead, because the style gets applied to "All level n rows", and neither does the style get updated in the drawer (is there a different "All level n rows" being used here that I'm unaware of?). Yet worse, the promotion of the rule from "children of XXX" to "All level n rows" appears to happen only when I create a second subhead, so you think it's local, but then SURPRISE! Compared with MORE's rules, which were more logical, visible without requiring a special mode, and above all entirely manipulable from the keyboard, I find OmniOutliner's styles to be really painful - second only to the notes toggle behavior, which I've already reported... why on earth must I enter a note before I can hide it? I tried using the Keyboard Shortcuts in System Preferences to set a shortcut for "Show Styles View", but they stop working after I do various things which I imagine cause OmniOutliner to refresh its menus (such as clicking in the topic), until I pull down the menu again. This might be a Cocoa/Carbon bug, but it'd be nice to have a standard keyboard equivalent. BTW, if any of the above is a result of my misunderstanding OmniOutliner's style system, please let me know. I run into the above problems many times a day, because I use named styles to mark items in my to-do list as "priority", "in progress" and so forth, and very often end up with unintended style application as I describe. -- Nicholas Riley | From kc at omnigroup.com Thu Jan 19 16:53:33 2006 From: kc at omnigroup.com (Ken Case) Date: Thu Jan 19 16:53:36 2006 Subject: Named style behavior [was Re: change keyboard shortcuts] In-Reply-To: <20060119231748.GA51117@uiuc.edu> References: <43D00ED5.6070704@web.de> <20060119231748.GA51117@uiuc.edu> Message-ID: On Jan 19, 2006, at 15:17 , Nicholas Riley wrote: > It reminds me of another thing - is there a way to do "Show Styles > View" other than the menu? Clicking on a level style in the drawer will also switch to the styles view, and you can customize your toolbar to include a Styles View tool. > I often find my named styles are being misapplied - i.e., if you > have a heading with a single subhead and apply a style to the > subhead, it gets saved at the level of the heading, which means > that additional subheads get the style when I don't want them to, You can turn off Automatic Level Styles in the Format menu to prevent OmniOutliner from learning level styles by example. (To turn this off for all documents, edit the template for new documents.) > and there's no way to turn off the style from the keyboard I know of. You should be able to turn off the style using the same keyboard shortcut as you use to turn it on. (It's a toggle.) > The "Style Attributes" palette doesn't show attributes of subheads, > so if I delete the last styled subhead of some heading, the style > is lurking in wait to reapply the next time I create a subhead, yet > it's not visible anywhere in the UI I can tell. You can tell where these styles are lurking using the Styles view (and you can remove them by clicking on them and hitting Delete), but hopefully turning off Automatic Level Styles will prevent them from happening in the first place. > If it's the only heading in the document, it's even worse - the > Styles View shows nothing even when I click on the subhead, because > the style gets applied to "All level n rows", and neither does the > style get updated in the drawer (is there a different "All level n > rows" being used here that I'm > unaware of?). The style view should show more than one style chit (the "A" icon), and you can select and view the styles associated with that level by clicking on it. > Compared with MORE's rules, which were more logical, visible > without requiring a special mode, and above all entirely > manipulable from the keyboard, I find OmniOutliner's styles to be > really painful I certainly do think that there is room for improvement in OmniOutliner's styling system, and we welcome your feedback. Do you have some specific suggestions (beyond looking at how MORE worked)? > - second only to the notes toggle behavior, which I've already > reported... why on earth must I enter a note before I can hide it? Sorry, I'm not familiar with your earlier report about toggling notes, and I'm not sure what problem you're running into. I can select a mix of rows, some with and some without notes, and toggle the visibility of all of them using Command-'. > I tried using the Keyboard Shortcuts in System Preferences to set a > shortcut for "Show Styles View", but they stop working after I do > various things which I imagine cause OmniOutliner to refresh its > menus (such as clicking in the topic), until I pull down the menu > again. Looks like that's a bug: I'd be surprised if the keyboard shortcut itself has been lost, but the action seems to be disabled when the selection is in the topic header. (I can't select it from the menu item either.) > I run into the above problems many times a day, because I use named > styles to mark items in my to-do list as "priority", "in progress" > and so forth, and very often end up with unintended style > application as I describe. To summarize: turning off Automatic Level Styles may be a better fit for your work habits--and yes, it's possible to turn off named styles by using their keyboard shortcut. I hope this helps somewhat! And do let us know if you have suggestions on ways we can make this work better. Ken From ml at tangentsoft.net Fri Jan 20 01:51:04 2006 From: ml at tangentsoft.net (Warren Young) Date: Fri Jan 20 02:01:10 2006 Subject: Suppress bullets for certain levels Message-ID: <8EDEF8A4-B274-4457-889F-42FEDB9459DD@tangentsoft.net> I'm aware that you can suppress all bullets when printing, but I would like to suppress them only for levels 1 and 2 of the outline. These are my major header levels, so they are bolded. That and the fact that there are relatively few headers is enough to set them off for my purposes. If I turn off all bullets, the items underneath these sections appear to flow together, so the bullets are helpful for them. If there is no way to do this right now, consider it a feature request. From ml at tangentsoft.net Fri Jan 20 02:25:52 2006 From: ml at tangentsoft.net (Warren Young) Date: Fri Jan 20 02:25:58 2006 Subject: Page break at headers Message-ID: I would like to be able to constrain everything underneath a level 2 heading so that it does not break across pages unless there is simply more material than will fit on a page. When laying out the page, the program should add page breaks to force a section to the next page if it would break across a page boundary otherwise. The reason I need this is that I am using OmniOutliner to create rough scripts for voiceovers in videos. I use these to refer to while doing the video. Level 2 headings mark "scenes" in these videos, so they are natural break points. If I have to turn pages within a scene, that's a hassle, and may show up on the sound track. From jam at omnigroup.com Fri Jan 20 16:51:07 2006 From: jam at omnigroup.com (James Moore) Date: Fri Jan 20 16:51:11 2006 Subject: Page break at headers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Jan 20, 2006, at 2:25 AM, Warren Young wrote: > I would like to be able to constrain everything underneath a level > 2 heading so that it does not break across pages unless there is > simply more material than will fit on a page. When laying out the > page, the program should add page breaks to force a section to the > next page if it would break across a page boundary otherwise. > > The reason I need this is that I am using OmniOutliner to create > rough scripts for voiceovers in videos. I use these to refer to > while doing the video. Level 2 headings mark "scenes" in these > videos, so they are natural break points. If I have to turn pages > within a scene, that's a hassle, and may show up on the sound track. You can select the level 2 style and then use the "Page break before row" option found in the advanced section of the row inspector (cmd-2). This should at least give you a shot at constraining the sections to single pages. -- -James Technical Support Engineer The Omni Group From edward.renaud at videotron.ca Fri Jan 20 20:05:56 2006 From: edward.renaud at videotron.ca (Edward Renaud) Date: Fri Jan 20 20:05:58 2006 Subject: modification date tracking Message-ID: Hi, It seems to me that if I put the "Last modification time" in a header or footer in order to keep tabs on printed copies versus my current original document, the value gets updated every time I save the document, which I can understand is required. However, just changing the selection or hoisting a section causes the prompt to save changes to appear. If I respond, and later print another copy, I have a document whose "last modification time" is different from my previous print-out when if effect, for all practical purposes, the document has not changed (from a content point of view). Does anyone have any thoughts to share on this? TIA Edward -- Edward Renaud, Consultant et programmeur-analyste Les Services Informatiques ER Inc. 495 St. Charles Ouest, #202 Longueuil, Qu?bec. Canada. J4H 1G3 T?l.: (450) 674-0614 Cell: (514) 961-7364 E-mail: edward.renaud@videotron.ca From ml at tangentsoft.net Sat Jan 21 02:55:09 2006 From: ml at tangentsoft.net (Warren Young) Date: Sat Jan 21 02:55:23 2006 Subject: Page break at headers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9B5140FC-FE0F-43EF-A2C9-E4BCE2727EC3@tangentsoft.net> On Jan 20, 2006, at 5:51 PM, James Moore wrote: > On Jan 20, 2006, at 2:25 AM, Warren Young wrote: > >> When laying out the page, the program should add page breaks to >> force a section to the next page if it would break across a page >> boundary otherwise. > > You can select the level 2 style and then use the "Page break > before row" option found in the advanced section of the row > inspector (cmd-2). Thanks, that works. You do recognize the highly manual nature of this process, though, right? Not only do I have to add the breaks, I have to go through an iterative process with Print Preview, because OO doesn't have a page layout view. (Nor should it; OO is not a page layout program.) On top of that, it makes any future edits more difficult, because I have to go back through the iterative Print Preview process to ensure that my breaks are still valid. These are the very sort of processes that computers are better at than humans. I'm not so much complaining as trying to convince you that my original idea would be a good thing to add to your future feature list. It should be an optional behavior; not everyone will want this, I'm sure. No need to reply...just consider it, please. From ml at tangentsoft.net Sat Jan 21 03:27:20 2006 From: ml at tangentsoft.net (Warren Young) Date: Sat Jan 21 03:27:28 2006 Subject: modification date tracking In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5D6A26A1-FF79-45AF-B357-CA816AAF8E28@tangentsoft.net> On Jan 20, 2006, at 9:05 PM, Edward Renaud wrote: > just changing the selection or hoisting a section causes the prompt > to save changes to appear. Naturally...the file does need to be saved at that point. > If I respond, and later print another copy, I have a document whose > "last modification time" is different from my previous print-out > when if effect, for all practical purposes, the document has not > changed (from a content point of view). > > Does anyone have any thoughts to share on this? The traditional meaning of "last modification time" is the time stamp saved for the file by the operating system. What you're proposing would require that OO keep a separate time stamp, which would surprise many people. I think it would be better if you maintained this time stamp separately. The simple option is to just update it manually. I do that on one document I maintain, for reasons similar to yours. Because OO can optionally save its files as text XML files -- hit Cmd-4 and turn off "Compress on disk" -- you can use some version control systems to do this automatically. The CVS version control system comes with your Mac (you may have to have Xcode installed) and Subversion is easily added with Fink. (http://fink.sf.net/) I greatly prefer Subversion. Its creators designed it to be an improved replacement for CVS, and they succeeded admirably. The only reason CVS is still around is inertia -- it was the standard for a decade before Subversion was created, so many people still rely on it to too great a degree to switch over to Subversion quickly. I did a search at Versiontracker and found a dozen GUI tools for Subversion and CVS, if you don't wish to work in a Terminal window. Both CVS and Subversion understand the $Date$ keyword in a file. When they see that text, they replace it with the check-in date when saving a revision. And because they use textual difference analysis when checking in the file, they will ignore minor changes. For instance, you could hit Ctrl-Enter to break a line, then Ctrl-Delete to heal it; the version control system will ignore it, because the textual content of the file remains the same. The version control option is more complex, I'll admit, but it has serious advantages, too. You can roll back to a previous version at any time, you can collaborate with multiple people on the document, you can pull up a change history at need.... Version control is wonderful! Oh, and you might not know this, but both CVS and Subversion are both free as in speech and free as in beer. Some of the GUI front-ends I mentioned are free, and some are not. From alan.schmitt at polytechnique.org Sat Jan 21 05:19:21 2006 From: alan.schmitt at polytechnique.org (Alan Schmitt) Date: Sat Jan 21 05:19:30 2006 Subject: modification date tracking In-Reply-To: <5D6A26A1-FF79-45AF-B357-CA816AAF8E28@tangentsoft.net> References: <5D6A26A1-FF79-45AF-B357-CA816AAF8E28@tangentsoft.net> Message-ID: On 21 janv. 06, at 12:27, Warren Young wrote: > Because OO can optionally save its files as text XML files Is it possible to find a description of this file format? I'd like to see whether I can synchronize it using Harmony (http:// www.cis.upenn.edu/~bcpierce/harmony/index.html). Thanks, Alan -- Alan Schmitt The hacker: someone who figured things out and made something cool happen. .O. ..O OOO From robintrew at btopenworld.com Sat Jan 21 05:29:42 2006 From: robintrew at btopenworld.com (Robin Trew) Date: Sat Jan 21 05:29:46 2006 Subject: modification date tracking In-Reply-To: References: <5D6A26A1-FF79-45AF-B357-CA816AAF8E28@tangentsoft.net> Message-ID: <1272C026-19A2-4030-A59F-E985A6D18FF6@btopenworld.com> On 21 Jan 2006, at 13:19, Alan Schmitt wrote: > > Is it possible to find a description of this file format? I'd like > to see whether I can synchronize it using Harmony (http:// > www.cis.upenn.edu/~bcpierce/harmony/index.html). > > Thanks, > > Alan You will find the document type definition at: http://www.omnigroup.com/namespace/OmniOutliner/xmloutline-v3.dtd Robin. From ahern at ornl.gov Sat Jan 21 05:50:58 2006 From: ahern at ornl.gov (Sean Ahern) Date: Sat Jan 21 05:51:03 2006 Subject: modification date tracking In-Reply-To: <5D6A26A1-FF79-45AF-B357-CA816AAF8E28@tangentsoft.net> References: <5D6A26A1-FF79-45AF-B357-CA816AAF8E28@tangentsoft.net> Message-ID: On Jan 21, 2006, at 6:27 AM, Warren Young wrote: > On Jan 20, 2006, at 9:05 PM, Edward Renaud wrote: >> just changing the selection or hoisting a section causes the >> prompt to save changes to appear. > > Naturally...the file does need to be saved at that point. Does it? I would say that there's a bit of a subjective judgement here. I know that there are some applications that only say the document needs to be saved (or claim that it's been changed) if the actual content changes. That is, if the view is changed or selections are moved to different places, the document is considered unmodified. I wonder if OO could save things like the current selection and hoist into a file when saved, but not require that selection/hoist changes necessitate saving the file. Just some thoughts to spur debate. -Sean -- Sean Ahern Oak Ridge National Laboratory From nmeersschaert at mac.com Sat Jan 21 07:48:45 2006 From: nmeersschaert at mac.com (Niels Meersschaert) Date: Sat Jan 21 07:48:55 2006 Subject: modification date tracking In-Reply-To: References: <5D6A26A1-FF79-45AF-B357-CA816AAF8E28@tangentsoft.net> Message-ID: <23FD9716-915E-48DC-8A25-9BA1DBAE48A9@mac.com> Given that OmniOutliner is an organizational tool, the position of a given content item relative to others has significance. Also, whether an item is expanded or not has significance for the same reason. That's the reason the document is marked as "dirty", suggesting a save whenever you alter the document in these ways. Remember that if you want, you aren't required to save. You can always discard the changes you made, if you feel they are significant enough to warrant a save. This would address the last modified issue described earlier in the thread. On Jan 21, 2006, at 8:50 AM, Sean Ahern wrote: > On Jan 21, 2006, at 6:27 AM, Warren Young wrote: >> On Jan 20, 2006, at 9:05 PM, Edward Renaud wrote: >>> just changing the selection or hoisting a section causes the >>> prompt to save changes to appear. >> >> Naturally...the file does need to be saved at that point. > From ml at tangentsoft.net Sat Jan 21 08:47:47 2006 From: ml at tangentsoft.net (Warren Young) Date: Sat Jan 21 08:47:56 2006 Subject: modification date tracking In-Reply-To: References: <5D6A26A1-FF79-45AF-B357-CA816AAF8E28@tangentsoft.net> Message-ID: <20F9EAFD-1039-467F-B58B-9152EB9CFA79@tangentsoft.net> On Jan 21, 2006, at 6:19 AM, Alan Schmitt wrote: > On 21 janv. 06, at 12:27, Warren Young wrote: > >> Because OO can optionally save its files as text XML files > > Is it possible to find a description of this file format? It's in the Reference section of the user manual. From ml at tangentsoft.net Sat Jan 21 08:52:23 2006 From: ml at tangentsoft.net (Warren Young) Date: Sat Jan 21 08:52:30 2006 Subject: modification date tracking In-Reply-To: References: <5D6A26A1-FF79-45AF-B357-CA816AAF8E28@tangentsoft.net> Message-ID: On Jan 21, 2006, at 6:50 AM, Sean Ahern wrote: >> Naturally...the file does need to be saved at that point. > > Does it? I would say that there's a bit of a subjective judgement > here. I know that there are some applications that only say the > document needs to be saved (or claim that it's been changed) if the > actual content changes. That is, if the view is changed or > selections are moved to different places, the document is > considered unmodified. Okay, let me clarify: if we say that we want OO to remember these things, then they have to be saved _somewhere_. You can argue that OO shouldn't remember these things from one run to the next, but I'm sure they didn't add these features for no reason. You'll be fighting against someone else's wishlist if you take that tack. You could also argue that these changes could be saved elsewhere, but then if you move the file, it's likely the program won't be smart enough to associate the saved preferences with the new file. That's suboptimal. From ahern at ornl.gov Sat Jan 21 09:39:05 2006 From: ahern at ornl.gov (Sean Ahern) Date: Sat Jan 21 09:39:32 2006 Subject: modification date tracking In-Reply-To: References: <5D6A26A1-FF79-45AF-B357-CA816AAF8E28@tangentsoft.net> Message-ID: <2C643966-AB7C-4A92-8196-5B6CFD7B2500@ornl.gov> On Jan 21, 2006, at 11:52 AM, Warren Young wrote: > Okay, let me clarify: if we say that we want OO to remember these > things, then they have to be saved _somewhere_. > > You can argue that OO shouldn't remember these things from one run > to the next, but I'm sure they didn't add these features for no > reason. You'll be fighting against someone else's wishlist if you > take that tack. I wasn't suggesting that those things should be thrown away, or saved to some place other than the document file itself. I was thinking instead that the "modified" state of the document should not be based on those things. For instance, in a Powerpoint file, I believe the current zoom level is saved to the file so that you have the same view when you reopen the file. However, changing the zoom level does not mark the document as "modified," and does not require that you save the document before you quit Powerpoint. (I'm not positive Powerpoint behaves in this manner, but the example is illustrative nonetheless.) The distinction is: state which is considered part of the content of the document and state which is merely for the convenience of the document's author and not content per se. Someone else just pointed out that, in some cases, things like hoisting, selection, and expansion can be considered document content, and not just convenience. There's some validity to that argument, and I hadn't considered those cases. -Sean -- Sean Ahern Oak Ridge National Laboratory From philipp at hamplundhampl.de Sat Jan 21 09:54:47 2006 From: philipp at hamplundhampl.de (Philipp Hampl) Date: Sat Jan 21 10:25:37 2006 Subject: page break Message-ID: <7A3B0482-95CB-415B-8043-15F4DC80E723@hamplundhampl.de> I would love that option ,too!! Regards Philipp On Jan 20, 2006, at 5:51 PM, James Moore wrote: > On Jan 20, 2006, at 2:25 AM, Warren Young wrote: > > >> When laying out the page, the program should add page breaks to >> force a section to the next page if it would break across a page >> boundary otherwise. >> > > You can select the level 2 style and then use the "Page break > before row" option found in the advanced section of the row > inspector (cmd-2). > Thanks, that works. You do recognize the highly manual nature of this process, though, right? Not only do I have to add the breaks, I have to go through an iterative process with Print Preview, because OO doesn't have a page layout view. (Nor should it; OO is not a page layout program.) On top of that, it makes any future edits more difficult, because I have to go back through the iterative Print Preview process to ensure that my breaks are still valid. These are the very sort of processes that computers are better at than humans. I'm not so much complaining as trying to convince you that my original idea would be a good thing to add to your future feature list. It should be an optional behavior; not everyone will want this, I'm sure. No need to reply...just consider it, please. _______________________________________________ OmniOutliner-Users mailing list OmniOutliner-Users@omnigroup.com http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnioutliner-users From andrew at omnigroup.com Sat Jan 21 14:29:23 2006 From: andrew at omnigroup.com (Andrew Abernathy) Date: Sat Jan 21 14:29:29 2006 Subject: Page break at headers In-Reply-To: <9B5140FC-FE0F-43EF-A2C9-E4BCE2727EC3@tangentsoft.net> References: <9B5140FC-FE0F-43EF-A2C9-E4BCE2727EC3@tangentsoft.net> Message-ID: <3F1163AB-5DB9-4F60-892D-BE0F1086CE12@omnigroup.com> I discussed this some with Warren off-list, and for him setting "page break before row" on the level 1 style as-is allows him to accomplish the main goal of minimizing page breaks during scenes. However, where multiple successive scenes would fit on the same printed page, he (understandably) doesn't want page breaks between those scenes. Right now he has to manually manage page breaks in order to accomplish that latter goal. So in effect, what Warren wants is a style option for "page break before row IFF the row (and it's children) don't completely fit on the current page." This should be easier for us than what I initially thought he would want, which is "page break before row IFF the row (and it's children) don't completely fit on the current page AND the row (and it's children) will completely fit on a new page." I can't promise anything specific on any specific schedule (other than to say that the currently development schedule makes it unlikely for any such changes to show up in the near future), but I would be interested in any feedback from the community as to how helpful people would find the feature as Warren needs it ("page break before row if and only if it and its children don't completely fit on what remains of the current page"), or if people need more flexibility (or something else entirely). -andrew From curt.clifton at mac.com Sat Jan 21 14:59:31 2006 From: curt.clifton at mac.com (Curt Clifton) Date: Sat Jan 21 14:59:35 2006 Subject: Page break at headers In-Reply-To: <3F1163AB-5DB9-4F60-892D-BE0F1086CE12@omnigroup.com> References: <9B5140FC-FE0F-43EF-A2C9-E4BCE2727EC3@tangentsoft.net> <3F1163AB-5DB9-4F60-892D-BE0F1086CE12@omnigroup.com> Message-ID: Andrew, On Jan 21, 2006, at 5:29 PM, Andrew Abernathy wrote: > [snip] I would be interested in any feedback from the community as > to how helpful people would find the feature as Warren needs it > ("page break before row if and only if it and its children don't > completely fit on what remains of the current page"), or if people > need more flexibility (or something else entirely). I would occasionally find that feature useful. I've seen other applications factor the feature a bit differently. In Word (I think) you can specify a paragraph as "keep with next", meaning a page break shouldn't immediately follow it. Then you can specify some lines or paragraphs as "keep together", meaning a page break should fall amongst them. Perhaps in the outlining paradigm these should be "Keep with First Child" and "Keep with Siblings". This factoring is slightly more complex, but a greater variety of behavior. Warren's case could be handled by setting level 2 rows as "Keep with First Child" and level 3 rows as "Keep with Siblings". Other combinations give different behavior, like just making sure a heading row doesn't appear alone at the bottom of a page. Of course, if there are more siblings than will fit on a page, then they have to be split over pages even if the "Keep with Siblings" setting is on. And I suppose someone might set a row to "Keep with First Child" but then enter so much text that the row takes a whole page by itself. Cheers, Curt From philipp at hamplundhampl.de Sun Jan 22 09:33:22 2006 From: philipp at hamplundhampl.de (Philipp Hampl) Date: Sun Jan 22 09:33:29 2006 Subject: Page break at headers In-Reply-To: <3F1163AB-5DB9-4F60-892D-BE0F1086CE12@omnigroup.com> References: <9B5140FC-FE0F-43EF-A2C9-E4BCE2727EC3@tangentsoft.net> <3F1163AB-5DB9-4F60-892D-BE0F1086CE12@omnigroup.com> Message-ID: <7C04CA3D-6E29-46E7-90D3-978DD75B4EB2@hamplundhampl.de> It would be the one thing, that i am badly missing - the option should be as simple as it is in word: page break, whereever I want it to be. Regards Philipp Am 21.01.2006 um 23:29 schrieb Andrew Abernathy: > I discussed this some with Warren off-list, and for him setting > "page break before row" on the level 1 style as-is allows him to > accomplish the main goal of minimizing page breaks during scenes. > However, where multiple successive scenes would fit on the same > printed page, he (understandably) doesn't want page breaks between > those scenes. Right now he has to manually manage page breaks in > order to accomplish that latter goal. > > So in effect, what Warren wants is a style option for "page break > before row IFF the row (and it's children) don't completely fit on > the current page." > > This should be easier for us than what I initially thought he would > want, which is "page break before row IFF the row (and it's > children) don't completely fit on the current page AND the row (and > it's children) will completely fit on a new page." > > > I can't promise anything specific on any specific schedule (other > than to say that the currently development schedule makes it > unlikely for any such changes to show up in the near future), but I > would be interested in any feedback from the community as to how > helpful people would find the feature as Warren needs it ("page > break before row if and only if it and its children don't > completely fit on what remains of the current page"), or if people > need more flexibility (or something else entirely). > > -andrew > > _______________________________________________ > OmniOutliner-Users mailing list > OmniOutliner-Users@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnioutliner-users > From ml at tangentsoft.net Sun Jan 22 10:39:43 2006 From: ml at tangentsoft.net (Warren Young) Date: Sun Jan 22 10:40:10 2006 Subject: Page break at headers In-Reply-To: <7C04CA3D-6E29-46E7-90D3-978DD75B4EB2@hamplundhampl.de> References: <9B5140FC-FE0F-43EF-A2C9-E4BCE2727EC3@tangentsoft.net> <3F1163AB-5DB9-4F60-892D-BE0F1086CE12@omnigroup.com> <7C04CA3D-6E29-46E7-90D3-978DD75B4EB2@hamplundhampl.de> Message-ID: <1B6377B9-A2A6-4DDB-B84C-0AD3A1294659@tangentsoft.net> On Jan 22, 2006, at 10:33 AM, Philipp Hampl wrote: > the option should be as simple as it is in word: page break, > whereever I want it to be. We already have that. See James Moore's reply in this thread. From curt.clifton at mac.com Sun Jan 22 12:06:02 2006 From: curt.clifton at mac.com (Curt Clifton) Date: Sun Jan 22 12:06:07 2006 Subject: Script to create new outline with selection, keeping context Message-ID: <90D33F10-1FA6-4276-8FF8-5C8E059C14E7@mac.com> After an off-list conversation with Anders Baden Nielsen, I developed the attached script. It's a version of one I posted earlier for making a new outline from the current selection. The previous script copied selected rows and their children to a new outline. This version copies selected rows and their parents, but omits unselected children. For example: On Jan 21, 2006, at 2:32 PM, Anders Baden Nielsen wrote: > Yes, exactly. The parents are preserved (Parent 1 and 3). But, > also : suppose Child 1,2 and 6 did have their own children, none of > those would be copied to the new outline. Like this: > > - Parent 1 > - Child 1 * > - Child 2 * > - Subchild 1 > - Parent 2 > - Child 3 > - Subchild 2 > - Child 4 > - Subchild 3 > - Parent 3 > - Child 5 > - Child 6 * > - Subchild 4 > > becomes > > - Parent 1 > - Child 1 * > - Child 2 * > > - Parent 3 > - Child 6 * > > So all the subchildren are removed. You can think of the previous script as preserving details of the selection, while this version preserves context. Share and enjoy, Curt (* Creates a new outline from the selected rows of the front document, ignoring the selected rows' children but keeping their parents for context. Assumes that the topic and note are in columns 1 and 2 as in the default OO template. by Curtis Clifton Copyright ? 2006, Some Rights Reserved *) property mark : "keep" -- generates a random column name for use in marking rows that shouldn't appear in final document set markerColumnName to do shell script "jot -c 16 a z | rs -T -g0" tell application "OmniOutliner Professional" -- Uses document name in tell block so references are absolute set docName to name of front document tell (document docName) -- Skips operation if no rows selected if (count of selected rows) is 0 then beep return end if set theOriginalSelectedRows to selected rows -- Creates a column for marking rows that should remain in the created outline make new column at after second column with properties {name:markerColumnName} select theOriginalSelectedRows -- adds all the parent rows recursively so that all the context is in the selection set oldSelectionSize to 0 repeat until (oldSelectionSize is (count of selected rows)) set oldSelectionSize to (count of selected rows) -- if the following expands the selection, then the loop will repeat select parent of selected rows with extending end repeat set value of cell markerColumnName of selected rows to mark -- only need to copy the top-most rows, they'll bring their kids along select (expel descendants (get selected rows)) set rowsToCopy to a reference to selected rows set theName to "Selected Rows from " & name make new document at before it with properties {name:theName} -- fixme: Make columns of new document match the source document end tell tell first document make new column at after second column with properties {name:markerColumnName} end tell duplicate rowsToCopy to after last row of first document tell first document -- Deletes the extra children and siblings that we didn't really want to copy delete (every row whose value of cell markerColumnName is not mark) delete column markerColumnName end tell -- Restores the state of the original document tell (document docName) delete column markerColumnName select (theOriginalSelectedRows) end tell end tell From andrew at omnigroup.com Sun Jan 22 13:14:41 2006 From: andrew at omnigroup.com (Andrew Abernathy) Date: Sun Jan 22 13:14:52 2006 Subject: Page break at headers In-Reply-To: <1B6377B9-A2A6-4DDB-B84C-0AD3A1294659@tangentsoft.net> References: <9B5140FC-FE0F-43EF-A2C9-E4BCE2727EC3@tangentsoft.net> <3F1163AB-5DB9-4F60-892D-BE0F1086CE12@omnigroup.com> <7C04CA3D-6E29-46E7-90D3-978DD75B4EB2@hamplundhampl.de> <1B6377B9-A2A6-4DDB-B84C-0AD3A1294659@tangentsoft.net> Message-ID: <419D190F-79D9-4583-BF43-2CFBA35D2AAF@omnigroup.com> On Jan 22, 2006, at 10:39 AM, Warren Young wrote: > On Jan 22, 2006, at 10:33 AM, Philipp Hampl wrote: > >> the option should be as simple as it is in word: page break, >> whereever I want it to be. > > We already have that. See James Moore's reply in this thread. I mentioned that to Philipp off-list and he reminded me that assigning arbitrary page breaks is limited to the Pro edition of OmniOutliner. -andrew From ls at fortus.se Sun Jan 22 12:52:25 2006 From: ls at fortus.se (Leif Stenudd) Date: Sun Jan 22 15:09:22 2006 Subject: Page breaks In-Reply-To: <200601222000.k0MK0Cqk023632@slowbro.omnigroup.com> References: <200601222000.k0MK0Cqk023632@slowbro.omnigroup.com> Message-ID: Someone mentioned Word and how this is done there. I think many (complicated) needs could be met by having an "on-line" page-break like it is in Word. Now It is a hassle to use print>preview to judge where page-breaks should be made not to split the context. The hassle is to have to use print-preview time after time to see the dynamic conseqences of previous page breaks made. Leif 22 jan 2006 kl. 21.00 skrev omnioutliner-users-request@omnigroup.com: > Send OmniOutliner-Users mailing list submissions to > omnioutliner-users@omnigroup.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnioutliner-users > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > omnioutliner-users-request@omnigroup.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > omnioutliner-users-owner@omnigroup.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of OmniOutliner-Users digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Page break at headers (Andrew Abernathy) > 2. Re: Page break at headers (Curt Clifton) > 3. Re: Page break at headers (Philipp Hampl) > 4. Re: Page break at headers (Warren Young) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 14:29:23 -0800 > From: Andrew Abernathy > Subject: Re: Page break at headers > To: OmniOutliner List > Message-ID: <3F1163AB-5DB9-4F60-892D-BE0F1086CE12@omnigroup.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed > > I discussed this some with Warren off-list, and for him setting "page > break before row" on the level 1 style as-is allows him to accomplish > the main goal of minimizing page breaks during scenes. However, where > multiple successive scenes would fit on the same printed page, he > (understandably) doesn't want page breaks between those scenes. Right > now he has to manually manage page breaks in order to accomplish that > latter goal. > > So in effect, what Warren wants is a style option for "page break > before row IFF the row (and it's children) don't completely fit on > the current page." > > This should be easier for us than what I initially thought he would > want, which is "page break before row IFF the row (and it's children) > don't completely fit on the current page AND the row (and it's > children) will completely fit on a new page." > > > I can't promise anything specific on any specific schedule (other > than to say that the currently development schedule makes it unlikely > for any such changes to show up in the near future), but I would be > interested in any feedback from the community as to how helpful > people would find the feature as Warren needs it ("page break before > row if and only if it and its children don't completely fit on what > remains of the current page"), or if people need more flexibility (or > something else entirely). > > -andrew > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 17:59:31 -0500 > From: Curt Clifton > Subject: Re: Page break at headers > To: Andrew Abernathy > Cc: OmniOutliner List > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed > > Andrew, > > On Jan 21, 2006, at 5:29 PM, Andrew Abernathy wrote: > >> [snip] I would be interested in any feedback from the community as >> to how helpful people would find the feature as Warren needs it >> ("page break before row if and only if it and its children don't >> completely fit on what remains of the current page"), or if people >> need more flexibility (or something else entirely). > > I would occasionally find that feature useful. I've seen other > applications factor the feature a bit differently. In Word (I think) > you can specify a paragraph as "keep with next", meaning a page break > shouldn't immediately follow it. Then you can specify some lines or > paragraphs as "keep together", meaning a page break should fall > amongst them. Perhaps in the outlining paradigm these should be > "Keep with First Child" and "Keep with Siblings". > > This factoring is slightly more complex, but a greater variety of > behavior. Warren's case could be handled by setting level 2 rows as > "Keep with First Child" and level 3 rows as "Keep with Siblings". > Other combinations give different behavior, like just making sure a > heading row doesn't appear alone at the bottom of a page. > > Of course, if there are more siblings than will fit on a page, then > they have to be split over pages even if the "Keep with Siblings" > setting is on. And I suppose someone might set a row to "Keep with > First Child" but then enter so much text that the row takes a whole > page by itself. > > Cheers, > > > Curt > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 18:33:22 +0100 > From: Philipp Hampl > Subject: Re: Page break at headers > To: Andrew Abernathy > Cc: OmniOutliner List > Message-ID: <7C04CA3D-6E29-46E7-90D3-978DD75B4EB2@hamplundhampl.de> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed > > It would be the one thing, that i am badly missing - the option > should be as simple as it is in word: page break, whereever I want it > to be. > > Regards > Philipp > Am 21.01.2006 um 23:29 schrieb Andrew Abernathy: > >> I discussed this some with Warren off-list, and for him setting >> "page break before row" on the level 1 style as-is allows him to >> accomplish the main goal of minimizing page breaks during scenes. >> However, where multiple successive scenes would fit on the same >> printed page, he (understandably) doesn't want page breaks between >> those scenes. Right now he has to manually manage page breaks in >> order to accomplish that latter goal. >> >> So in effect, what Warren wants is a style option for "page break >> before row IFF the row (and it's children) don't completely fit on >> the current page." >> >> This should be easier for us than what I initially thought he would >> want, which is "page break before row IFF the row (and it's >> children) don't completely fit on the current page AND the row (and >> it's children) will completely fit on a new page." >> >> >> I can't promise anything specific on any specific schedule (other >> than to say that the currently development schedule makes it >> unlikely for any such changes to show up in the near future), but I >> would be interested in any feedback from the community as to how >> helpful people would find the feature as Warren needs it ("page >> break before row if and only if it and its children don't >> completely fit on what remains of the current page"), or if people >> need more flexibility (or something else entirely). >> >> -andrew >> >> _______________________________________________ >> OmniOutliner-Users mailing list >> OmniOutliner-Users@omnigroup.com >> http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnioutliner-users >> > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 11:39:43 -0700 > From: Warren Young > Subject: Re: Page break at headers > To: omnioutliner-users@omnigroup.com > Message-ID: <1B6377B9-A2A6-4DDB-B84C-0AD3A1294659@tangentsoft.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed > > On Jan 22, 2006, at 10:33 AM, Philipp Hampl wrote: > >> the option should be as simple as it is in word: page break, >> whereever I want it to be. > > We already have that. See James Moore's reply in this thread. > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > OmniOutliner-Users mailing list > OmniOutliner-Users@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnioutliner-users > > > End of OmniOutliner-Users Digest, Vol 25, Issue 20 > ************************************************** From jlaudun at bellsouth.net Sun Jan 22 16:14:09 2006 From: jlaudun at bellsouth.net (John Laudun) Date: Sun Jan 22 23:18:51 2006 Subject: Page break at headers In-Reply-To: <200601222000.k0MK0Cqe023632@slowbro.omnigroup.com> Message-ID: I really like Curt's nuanced version: having those kinds of options available would be terrific. I've sent a document in -- I forget who replied now -- with a widowed header. "Page break before" isn't really a solution to widows and orphans. What Curt proposes comes awfully close, however. From kc at omnigroup.com Mon Jan 23 20:04:20 2006 From: kc at omnigroup.com (Ken Case) Date: Mon Jan 23 20:04:35 2006 Subject: Suppress bullets for certain levels In-Reply-To: <8EDEF8A4-B274-4457-889F-42FEDB9459DD@tangentsoft.net> References: <8EDEF8A4-B274-4457-889F-42FEDB9459DD@tangentsoft.net> Message-ID: <3AC2BB36-FB3B-43A0-8CD4-C663275CD761@omnigroup.com> On Jan 20, 2006, at 01:51, Warren Young wrote: > I'm aware that you can suppress all bullets when printing, but I > would like to suppress them only for levels 1 and 2 of the outline. Bullets are a row style, and you can turn them on and off for any row or group of rows. To turn them off for all level 1 and 2 rows, select "All level 1 rows" and "All level 2 rows" in the Utilities drawer, then use the "Row: Advanced" inspector to set the "Show Handles" setting to "Never" for those levels. Hope this helps, Ken From cobleigh at gmail.com Tue Jan 24 07:14:51 2006 From: cobleigh at gmail.com (Jamieson Cobleigh) Date: Tue Jan 24 07:14:55 2006 Subject: Spell Checking in OmniOutliner Message-ID: <7f50836c0601240714s3ef204c5mc9616b380f966246@mail.gmail.com> I use CocoaAspell (http://cocoaspell.leuski.net/) as my spell checker on my OS X machine and it works fine in most applications. It does, however, seem to work within OmniOutliner. I don't think there is some setting I need to set to make this work. Is there some way to get Spell Checking in OmniOutliner? Jamie From curt.clifton at mac.com Tue Jan 24 11:45:48 2006 From: curt.clifton at mac.com (Curt Clifton) Date: Tue Jan 24 11:46:36 2006 Subject: Spell Checking in OmniOutliner In-Reply-To: <7f50836c0601240714s3ef204c5mc9616b380f966246@mail.gmail.com> References: <7f50836c0601240714s3ef204c5mc9616b380f966246@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <156FEBB8-7983-41B5-A414-86BD621FBA98@mac.com> On Jan 24, 2006, at 10:14 AM, Jamieson Cobleigh wrote: > Is there some way to get Spell Checking in OmniOutliner? Is the menu item Edit->Spelling->Check Spelling as You Type checked? Cheers, Curt From cobleigh at gmail.com Tue Jan 24 12:05:45 2006 From: cobleigh at gmail.com (Jamieson Cobleigh) Date: Tue Jan 24 12:05:48 2006 Subject: Spell Checking in OmniOutliner In-Reply-To: <156FEBB8-7983-41B5-A414-86BD621FBA98@mac.com> References: <7f50836c0601240714s3ef204c5mc9616b380f966246@mail.gmail.com> <156FEBB8-7983-41B5-A414-86BD621FBA98@mac.com> Message-ID: <7f50836c0601241205r3cf07affj44839140d9bce348@mail.gmail.com> No. I was looking under Preferences, not the Edit menu. Oops. :) Jamie On 1/24/06, Curt Clifton wrote: > On Jan 24, 2006, at 10:14 AM, Jamieson Cobleigh wrote: > > > Is there some way to get Spell Checking in OmniOutliner? > > Is the menu item Edit->Spelling->Check Spelling as You Type checked? > > Cheers, > > Curt > > > From jbredijk at yahoo.com Wed Jan 25 10:58:01 2006 From: jbredijk at yahoo.com (James Bredijk) Date: Wed Jan 25 10:58:08 2006 Subject: Spell Checking in OmniOutliner In-Reply-To: <7f50836c0601241205r3cf07affj44839140d9bce348@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060125185801.53844.qmail@web35203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Jamie, I have found that it is very helpful to turn on "Check Spelling as You Type" in your default template so you never have to think about it again. James B. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From cobleigh at gmail.com Wed Jan 25 12:26:58 2006 From: cobleigh at gmail.com (Jamieson Cobleigh) Date: Wed Jan 25 12:27:20 2006 Subject: Spell Checking in OmniOutliner In-Reply-To: <20060125185801.53844.qmail@web35203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <7f50836c0601241205r3cf07affj44839140d9bce348@mail.gmail.com> <20060125185801.53844.qmail@web35203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <7f50836c0601251226u6dfe70aaofa24e1226f9ce3d0@mail.gmail.com> How do I change my default template? Jamie On 1/25/06, James Bredijk wrote: > Jamie, > I have found that it is very helpful to turn on "Check Spelling as You Type" > in your default template so you never have to think about it again. From jbredijk at yahoo.com Wed Jan 25 17:13:25 2006 From: jbredijk at yahoo.com (James Bredijk) Date: Wed Jan 25 17:13:28 2006 Subject: Spell Checking in OmniOutliner In-Reply-To: <7f50836c0601251226u6dfe70aaofa24e1226f9ce3d0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060126011325.73041.qmail@web35206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Jamie, In your "General Preferences", there is a nice big button labeled "Edit New Document Template". Click that button and OOP will open your default template. James --- Jamieson Cobleigh wrote: > How do I change my default template? > > Jamie > > On 1/25/06, James Bredijk wrote: > > Jamie, > > I have found that it is very helpful to turn on "Check Spelling as You > Type" > > in your default template so you never have to think about it again. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From jam at omnigroup.com Thu Jan 26 17:31:48 2006 From: jam at omnigroup.com (James Moore) Date: Thu Jan 26 17:31:47 2006 Subject: modification date tracking In-Reply-To: <2C643966-AB7C-4A92-8196-5B6CFD7B2500@ornl.gov> References: <5D6A26A1-FF79-45AF-B357-CA816AAF8E28@tangentsoft.net> <2C643966-AB7C-4A92-8196-5B6CFD7B2500@ornl.gov> Message-ID: <26F4346E-D0B1-4A05-AE23-DBE5CAC575EA@omnigroup.com> On Jan 21, 2006, at 9:39 AM, Sean Ahern wrote: > On Jan 21, 2006, at 11:52 AM, Warren Young wrote: >> Okay, let me clarify: if we say that we want OO to remember these >> things, then they have to be saved _somewhere_. >> >> You can argue that OO shouldn't remember these things from one run >> to the next, but I'm sure they didn't add these features for no >> reason. You'll be fighting against someone else's wishlist if you >> take that tack. > > I wasn't suggesting that those things should be thrown away, or > saved to some place other than the document file itself. I was > thinking instead that the "modified" state of the document should > not be based on those things. For instance, in a Powerpoint file, > I believe the current zoom level is saved to the file so that you > have the same view when you reopen the file. However, changing the > zoom level does not mark the document as "modified," and does not > require that you save the document before you quit Powerpoint. > (I'm not positive Powerpoint behaves in this manner, but the > example is illustrative nonetheless.) > > The distinction is: state which is considered part of the content > of the document and state which is merely for the convenience of > the document's author and not content per se. > > Someone else just pointed out that, in some cases, things like > hoisting, selection, and expansion can be considered document > content, and not just convenience. There's some validity to that > argument, and I hadn't considered those cases. OmniOutliner currently maintains a suite of settings that we refer to as editor state. Changes to your editor state will cause the white diamond to appear in your title bar. Attempting to close your window while you only have changes to your editor state will not cause Outliner to prompt you to save, those changes are just discarded. Here is a list of things stored in the editor state: Window size & position Selected rows/columns/text range Main outline view scroll position Automatic Level Styles Hoisted root Document-specific toolbar Spell-checking enabled Outline title visibility Column title visibility Ruler visibility Ruler units Note display (inline vs. pane) Note pane splitter position, scroll position Inline notes span document Status visibility Folded editing Attachment tags Drawer Width Preferred edge Visibility, split view, scroll positions Batch find term Find scope Row expanded/collapsed Attachment expanded/collapsed -------- There seems to be a bug in the modification time print option. If I continually open and close the page setup sheet while the document is dirty the modification time keeps updating. I'm hitting cancel after opening the sheet mind you. I'll write this up as a bug. -- -James Technical Support Engineer The Omni Group From jsoriano at mac.com Mon Jan 30 16:15:19 2006 From: jsoriano at mac.com (Jim Soriano) Date: Mon Jan 30 16:15:37 2006 Subject: Anybody have a Q&A template? Message-ID: <6E942230-11FD-4B2D-BCBF-755CCD46B806@mac.com> Does anybody have an OmniOutliner template that can be used to aid the preparation of Questions & Answers and/or FAQ documents? I envision something that's classy and visually compelling where the output can be used "as is" from OO without requring a lot of cleanup in another application. If so, are you up for sharing it with the group? Many thanks for your help. Regards, Jim From jlaudun at bellsouth.net Fri Feb 3 19:31:21 2006 From: jlaudun at bellsouth.net (John Laudun) Date: Fri Feb 3 19:31:26 2006 Subject: Strange output using Markdown export plug-in In-Reply-To: <200601312000.k0VK0Kqe019969@slowbro.omnigroup.com> Message-ID: I have found Markdown to be a real boon when it comes not only to drafting materials for the web, but also for sending more complex messages by e-mail. Being able to write in OO and then export to Markdown is fantastic. That said, when I use the "smart quotes" option under Convert in the services menu -- this may be a DevonTechnologies service -- I find that the Markdown plug-in converts those quotes to gibberish, consistent gibberish, but gibberish. For example, a single close curly quotation mark -- used in a contraction like "don't" becomes "???." Has anybody else seen this? How hard is it to open up a plug-in and edit it? I've been wanting to teach myself something about plug-ins. Is this my chance? From jam at omnigroup.com Mon Feb 6 14:20:35 2006 From: jam at omnigroup.com (James Moore) Date: Mon Feb 6 14:20:40 2006 Subject: Strange output using Markdown export plug-in In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Feb 3, 2006, at 7:31 PM, John Laudun wrote: > > I have found Markdown to be a real boon when it comes not only to > drafting > materials for the web, but also for sending more complex messages > by e-mail. > Being able to write in OO and then export to Markdown is fantastic. > That > said, when I use the "smart quotes" option under Convert in the > services > menu -- this may be a DevonTechnologies service -- I find that the > Markdown > plug-in converts those quotes to gibberish, consistent gibberish, but > gibberish. For example, a single close curly quotation mark -- used > in a > contraction like "don't" becomes "???." > This sounds like an encoding problem. Your Outliner file should be passing through the export system in UTF. Off-hand I don't know how the Markdown plugin is configured to export. It would be useful to find out exactly which characters that service is inserting into the Outline. Can you send a sample Outliner file with curly-quotes in it to omnioutliner@omnigroup.com? > Has anybody else seen this? How hard is it to open up a plug-in and > edit it? > I've been wanting to teach myself something about plug-ins. Is this my > chance? That plugin should be pretty straight forward since it's exporting plain text. You'll want to grab a copy of the SDK from our Extras page -- -James Technical Support Engineer The Omni Group From James.Ackman at huskymail.uconn.edu Tue Feb 7 16:41:09 2006 From: James.Ackman at huskymail.uconn.edu (James Ackman) Date: Tue Feb 7 16:40:31 2006 Subject: applescript for changing pop-up listings? References: Message-ID: <8376D67C-4B6F-489F-BF6E-0C33F41A079A@huskymail.uconn.edu> Does anyone have an applescript solution for changing a pop-up column listing for multiple row selections at the same time? See my inquiry to omnigroup support and their answer below. james > > Begin forwarded message: > >> From: omnioutliner@omnigroup.com >> Date: February 3, 2006 5:18:51 PM EST >> To: James.Ackman@huskymail.uconn.edu >> Subject: [OG #53146] OmniOutliner 3.5 (v134.2) Feedback >> Reply-To: omnioutliner@omnigroup.com >> >>> [James Ackman - Thu Feb 02 09:21:37 2006]: >>> >>> I have a Pop-up column consisting of M, Tu, W, Th, F, Sa, Su. >>> Can >>> I select multiple rows and at once change the day of the week in my >>> pop up column for all the selected rows? If not, will this >>> feature be >>> added or is there an applescript available? >> >> James, it's not currently possible to do this. I can't say when it >> might be added to OmniOutliner unfortunately. You may want to >> inquire on our mailing list about an Applescript solution. You can >> subscribe or search the archives at >> >> http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnioutliner-users >> >> Let me know if you have any more suggestions. >> >> >> -- >> James >> >> Technical Support Engineer >> OmniOutliner Product Manager >> The Omni Group >> > > James Ackman Dept Physiology & Neurobiology University of Connecticut 860-486-3283 http://predator.pnb.uconn.edu/~wwwpnb/faculty/loturco/main.html From curt.clifton at mac.com Tue Feb 7 17:44:54 2006 From: curt.clifton at mac.com (Curt Clifton) Date: Tue Feb 7 17:45:01 2006 Subject: applescript for changing pop-up listings? In-Reply-To: <8376D67C-4B6F-489F-BF6E-0C33F41A079A@huskymail.uconn.edu> References: <8376D67C-4B6F-489F-BF6E-0C33F41A079A@huskymail.uconn.edu> Message-ID: <82928ECE-A924-4F94-9676-BEACE859F97B@mac.com> James, On Feb 7, 2006, at 7:41 PM, James Ackman wrote: > Does anyone have an applescript solution for changing a pop-up > column listing for multiple row selections at the same time? See > my inquiry to omnigroup support and their answer below. > Here's a script that I use for setting a column (pop-up or not) of a multiple row selection: tell front document of application "OmniOutliner Professional" -- Get column to edit set theColumnNames to name of every column set theChoice to choose from list theColumnNames with title "Column Selector" with prompt "Choose the column whose value should be changed" if (theChoice is false) then return set theChoice to (item 1 of theChoice) set theReply to display dialog "Enter the new value for cell " & theChoice default answer "" with title "Value Entry" set theValue to (text returned of theReply) set value of cell theChoice of selected rows to theValue end tell Cheers, Curt From James.Ackman at huskymail.uconn.edu Wed Feb 8 07:47:02 2006 From: James.Ackman at huskymail.uconn.edu (James Ackman) Date: Wed Feb 8 07:46:11 2006 Subject: applescript for changing pop-up listings? In-Reply-To: <82928ECE-A924-4F94-9676-BEACE859F97B@mac.com> References: <8376D67C-4B6F-489F-BF6E-0C33F41A079A@huskymail.uconn.edu> <82928ECE-A924-4F94-9676-BEACE859F97B@mac.com> Message-ID: thanks Curt, that works great. James On Feb 7, 2006, at 8:44 PM, Curt Clifton wrote: > James, > > On Feb 7, 2006, at 7:41 PM, James Ackman wrote: > > >> Does anyone have an applescript solution for changing a pop-up >> column listing for multiple row selections at the same time? See >> my inquiry to omnigroup support and their answer below. >> > > Here's a script that I use for setting a column (pop-up or not) of > a multiple row selection: > > tell front document of application "OmniOutliner Professional" > -- Get column to edit > set theColumnNames to name of every column > set theChoice to choose from list theColumnNames with title > "Column Selector" with prompt "Choose the column whose value should > be changed" > if (theChoice is false) then return > set theChoice to (item 1 of theChoice) > set theReply to display dialog "Enter the new value for cell " & > theChoice default answer "" with title "Value Entry" > set theValue to (text returned of theReply) > set value of cell theChoice of selected rows to theValue > end tell > > > Cheers, > > Curt > > > > _______________________________________________ > OmniOutliner-Users mailing list > OmniOutliner-Users@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnioutliner-users James Ackman Dept Physiology & Neurobiology University of Connecticut 860-486-3283 http://predator.pnb.uconn.edu/~wwwpnb/faculty/loturco/main.html From paul.welty at gmail.com Tue Feb 14 07:39:45 2006 From: paul.welty at gmail.com (Paul Welty) Date: Tue Feb 14 07:39:53 2006 Subject: Can I hide bullets? Message-ID: Using OO Pro 3.5 (latest version) This seems like something easy, but I can?t find any way to hide the bullets in my outline. I can add a numbering style, and I can add a prefix or suffix. But, I can?t eliminate the bullets. I know the twistie bullet is used for on-screen functionality, so I would be satisfied if I could eliminate the bullets and twisties when I print. Is this possible? If so, how? I?ve looked in the page setup prefs, but no luck. TIA for any help, Paul From thomaswaters at mac.com Tue Feb 14 07:45:03 2006 From: thomaswaters at mac.com (Thomas Waters) Date: Tue Feb 14 07:45:08 2006 Subject: Outliner to PDA Message-ID: I've been using Outliner more and more for "project management." As a way of handling to do lists mostly. Easy to add tasks to it, check off tasks, organize how tasks relate to each other in terms of dependancy. BUT, I've also become really fond of using my Treo 650!!! Now, what I'd like is to find a way to couple Outliner and the Treo 650. Or, find a way to export an Outliner to some Palm app.. Anyone doing this or have ideas about doing it? Thx, -- Thomas Waters Director of Information and Communication Services University of Pittsburgh School of Pharmacy 412-383-7471 waterstc@pitt.edu http://www.pharmacy.pitt.edu From paul.welty at gmail.com Tue Feb 14 07:52:38 2006 From: paul.welty at gmail.com (Paul Welty) Date: Tue Feb 14 07:52:49 2006 Subject: Header image doesn't show when printed Message-ID: Using OO 3.5 (latest version) I have inserted an image as part of a header. In the header box, it says ?pasted image?, and I can use the twistie to see the image. When I print, the image doesn?t show up. Instead, text appears that says ?pasted image?. Any ideas what?s going on? -Paul From scharver at gmail.com Tue Feb 14 07:53:36 2006 From: scharver at gmail.com (Chris Scharver) Date: Tue Feb 14 07:53:39 2006 Subject: Outliner to PDA In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 2/14/06, Thomas Waters wrote: > I've been using Outliner more and more for "project management." As > a way of handling to do lists mostly. Easy to add tasks to it, check > off tasks, organize how tasks relate to each other in terms of > dependancy. BUT, I've also become really fond of using my Treo > 650!!! Now, what I'd like is to find a way to couple Outliner and > the Treo 650. Or, find a way to export an Outliner to some Palm > app.. Anyone doing this or have ideas about doing it? ShadowPlan is what I use on my Palm. The desktop app can export the outlines in XML, and there is a plug-in that converts to and from this format within OmniOutliner. The ShadowPlan developer is very responsive. The Mac desktop app still needs a bit of work, but it's a start. The OmniShadow plugin doesn't seem to work on my Mac (probably due to FileVault bugs with the Finder's AppleScript handling), but I can manually import and export without much trouble. I tried getting Progect to work with OmniOutliner, but its development has stalled for quite a while now. Plus, the desktop is very unwieldy. I did manage to get OPML working with the desktop app, but I wouldn't recommend it to anyone who doesn't mind tinkering with a bit of code. Hope this helps, Chris From kc at omnigroup.com Tue Feb 14 09:24:49 2006 From: kc at omnigroup.com (Ken Case) Date: Tue Feb 14 09:24:50 2006 Subject: Can I hide bullets? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Feb 14, 2006, at 07:39, Paul Welty wrote: > This seems like something easy, but I can?t find any way to hide > the bullets > in my outline. Select the "Whole Document" style in the Utilities drawer, then "Show Handles" to "Never" in the "Row: Advanced" inspector. Hope this helps, Ken From paul.welty at gmail.com Wed Feb 15 06:32:33 2006 From: paul.welty at gmail.com (Paul Welty) Date: Wed Feb 15 06:32:39 2006 Subject: Can I hide bullets? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 2/14/06 12:24 PM, "Ken Case" wrote: > On Feb 14, 2006, at 07:39, Paul Welty wrote: >> This seems like something easy, but I can?t find any way to hide >> the bullets >> in my outline. > > Select the "Whole Document" style in the Utilities drawer, then "Show > Handles" to "Never" in the "Row: Advanced" inspector. > > Hope this helps, > > Ken > This works great. Thanks! -Paul From tommyweir at gmail.com Thu Feb 16 14:34:12 2006 From: tommyweir at gmail.com (Tommy Weir) Date: Thu Feb 16 14:34:16 2006 Subject: OmniOutliner-Users Digest, Vol 26, Issue 4 In-Reply-To: <200602142000.k1EK0Qqg000781@slowbro.omnigroup.com> References: <200602142000.k1EK0Qqg000781@slowbro.omnigroup.com> Message-ID: <8f4ef3a60602161434r2d93099dyb3091e0706fcd65e@mail.gmail.com> > >The ShadowPlan developer is very responsive. The Mac desktop app still >needs a bit of work, but it's a start. The OmniShadow plugin doesn't >seem to work on my Mac (probably due to FileVault bugs with the >Finder's AppleScript handling), but I can manually import and export >without much trouble. > For a brief few months I was a happy Shadow and OOP user with Omnishadow bridging the gap between the two. Since upgrading to Missing Sync 5.0, and OOP3.5 and Tiger... I can't seem get them to talk at all. I have the latest OmniShadow and just like you it doesn't work. The developer James Sorensen says that there is a different install system in MS 5.0.x and he needs to rewrite... SO... Given the wait, care to outline how you manually import and export? I'd love my Kinkless GTD file on my Tungsten T3. Thanks Tommy Weir From alan.schmitt at polytechnique.org Thu Feb 16 23:01:03 20