From andy at petdance.com Fri Jan 3 13:03:01 2003 From: andy at petdance.com (Andy Lester) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:30:01 2005 Subject: Styles aren't applied on initial document opening Message-ID: <20030103215522.GB14025@petdance.com> I love my OO, but it's not showing styles on the levels when I initially open a document. I have to move my cursor to the row before, say, my bold Tahoma 14 shows up as bold Tahoma 14. Known bummer? Any developers want samples and/or screenshots? Thanks, Andy -- 'Andy Lester andy@petdance.com Programmer/author petdance.com Daddy parsley.org/quinn Jk'=~/.+/s;print((split//,$&) [unpack'C*',"n2]3%+>\"34.'%&.'^%4+!o.'"]) From david at loudthinking.com Sat Jan 4 13:06:01 2003 From: david at loudthinking.com (David Heinemeier Hansson) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:30:01 2005 Subject: Examples of alternative outlining use Message-ID: <4E078F15-2028-11D7-A5C5-000393A65C00@loudthinking.com> I've been discovering what wonderful outlining delight OO can bring to scheduling [1] and basic accounting [2] lately. I was wondering if others had similar stories of alternative outlining use to tell? I'd love to discover even more uses. [1] http://www.loudthinking.com/arc/000078.html [2] http://www.loudthinking.com/arc/000081.html -- David Heinemeier Hansson http://www.loudthinking.com/ -- Broadcasting Brain From angus at pobox.com Wed Jan 8 05:26:01 2003 From: angus at pobox.com (Angus McIntyre) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:30:01 2005 Subject: Some random OO feature ideas Message-ID: A recent message contained a URL describing how to use OmniOutliner for accounting: http://www.loudthinking.com/arc/000081.html The idea of reducing my dependence on Excel is attractive, and it occurred to me that - without expecting a $30 outliner to replace a $300 spreadsheet - there are some features that could be added to OO that would make it better for this task and, perhaps, for others. One feature I very much like in Excel is the 'auto-filter': you get a menu at the top of a column that has one item for each unique entry in the column. When you choose an item, the spreadsheet is filtered on the chosen item, so that only rows containing that item in that column are displayed (there is, of course, a 'Show-all' item to return to the full view). Another very good implementation of the same idea can be found in Palm Desktop. This looks like a natural fit for OmniOutliner, would be useful in a wide range of situations, and wouldn't require any changes to the file format. Another unrelated idea would be the use of OmniOutliner as a bookmark manager. Two things might be nice to have here. One would be a URL column type: anything in the column could be assumed to be a URL, and clicking on it would cause it to be passed to the default handler for the appropriate URL scheme. A second would be the ability to import and export bookmark files. I've taken a quick look at the Explorer Favorites file, and it seems to be fairly skanky HTML. This would be difficult to parse using, say, the XML Tools OSAX, so I haven't seriously tried to AppleScript a solution. But it shouldn't be that hard to parse or generate and the ability to suck bookmark files into OmniOutliner, play with them, and then write them out again might definitely be a selling point. One further feature request: could there be (or is there already) a way to get the currently selected text (and/or the contents of the 'current' cell) from OmniOutliner? I tried to implement a 'Go to URL' AppleScript that would send you to a URL contained in a specific field, but found myself blocked because I couldn't see a way to get OO to tell me what the currently-active cell is. Angus -- angus@pobox.com http://pobox.com/~angus From face at CentosPrime.COM Wed Jan 8 06:27:01 2003 From: face at CentosPrime.COM (Chris Janton) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:30:01 2005 Subject: Some random OO feature ideas In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3134C874-2315-11D7-B946-003065C77D56@centosprime.com> On Wednesday, Jan 8, 2003, at 06:24 America/Phoenix, Angus McIntyre wrote: > Another unrelated idea would be the use of OmniOutliner as a bookmark > manager. Two things might be nice to have here. One would be a URL > column type: anything in the column could be assumed to be a URL, and > clicking on it would cause it to be passed to the default handler for > the appropriate URL scheme. > A special URL column is a terrible idea. A better idea is to have a command-click (or double-click) on a URL anywhere in the outline open a URL (including mail addresses) just like mail applications or browsers. > A second would be the ability to import and export bookmark files. > I've taken a quick look at the Explorer Favorites file, and it seems > to be fairly skanky HTML. This would be difficult to parse using, say, > the XML Tools OSAX, so I haven't seriously tried to AppleScript a > solution. But it shouldn't be that hard to parse or generate and the > ability to suck bookmark files into OmniOutliner, play with them, and > then write them out again might definitely be a selling point. > Please. OMNI group, please don't teach OmniOutliner how to parse HTML. Make it do really great outlines. It doesn't have to parse HTML... Just my 2 cents. 8) ---------------------------------- Chris Janton - face at CentosPrime dot COM Netminder for Opus1.COM From angus at pobox.com Wed Jan 8 08:47:00 2003 From: angus at pobox.com (Angus McIntyre) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:30:01 2005 Subject: Selecting multiple rows Message-ID: One thing that seems to be missing in OmniOutliner - and I think this is quite a large issue - is the ability to select multiple rows at once. As far as I can tell, shift-click (or any other modified click) doesn't work for this. I'm currently working with quite a large outline (approx. 200 rows) and really feeling the performance hit that Brian C. mentioned in a posting here back in November. I'd like to be able to select a block of rows and indent them all, but I can't seem to be able to do this. This leaves me the option of indenting them all one by one which, given the size of the document and the sluggishness of the updates, isn't an appealing option. Am I overlooking something, or is this a feature that could usefully be added? Angus -- angus@pobox.com http://pobox.com/~angus From angus at pobox.com Wed Jan 8 08:47:07 2003 From: angus at pobox.com (Angus McIntyre) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:30:01 2005 Subject: Some random OO feature ideas In-Reply-To: <3134C874-2315-11D7-B946-003065C77D56@centosprime.com> References: <3134C874-2315-11D7-B946-003065C77D56@centosprime.com> Message-ID: At 7:26 -0700 08.01.2003, Chris Janton wrote: >On Wednesday, Jan 8, 2003, at 06:24 America/Phoenix, Angus McIntyre wrote: > ... a URL column type ... > >A special URL column is a terrible idea. A better idea is to >have a command-click (or double-click) on a URL anywhere in the >outline open a URL ... just like mail applications or browsers. Yes, this would obviously be better. >> A second would be the ability to import and export bookmark files. >> >Please. OMNI group, please don't teach OmniOutliner how to parse HTML. >Make it do really great outlines. It doesn't have to parse HTML... Hmm. OK. In which case, let me reconsider that. Maybe OmniGroup could open up the import/export part of OmniOutliner to allow third-party developers to write plug-in modules for importing or exporting particular formats. Then anyone who wanted to do perverse and unnatural things like parsing the hideous HTML of the Netscape-1 Bookmark format could implement an appropriate module, while OmniGroup could stay focused on their core target of (as Chris says) making a really great outliner. Angus -- angus@pobox.com http://pobox.com/~angus From nels at molec.com Wed Jan 8 08:59:01 2003 From: nels at molec.com (Nels Freed) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:30:01 2005 Subject: Some random OO feature ideas In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 8:24 AM -0500 1/8/03, Angus McIntyre wrote: >One further feature request: could there be (or is there already) a >way to get the currently selected text (and/or the contents of the >'current' cell) from OmniOutliner? I tried to implement a 'Go to >URL' AppleScript that would send you to a URL contained in a >specific field, but found myself blocked because I couldn't see a >way to get OO to tell me what the currently-active cell is. I'm glad to see another person want the currently-active cell or row in AppleScript. (If row then I could look up the cell of interest). I too would really really like this feature. I stay on the list just in hopes of finding a solution to this feature request. Nels From jsp at designframe.com Wed Jan 8 09:42:01 2003 From: jsp at designframe.com (James Spahr) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:30:01 2005 Subject: Some random OO feature ideas In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <592E0D62-2330-11D7-A06A-000393CE1C1E@designframe.com> On Wednesday, January 8, 2003, at 11:57 AM, Nels Freed wrote: >> One further feature request: could there be (or is there already) a >> way to get the currently selected text (and/or the contents of the >> 'current' cell) from OmniOutliner? I tried to implement a 'Go to URL' >> AppleScript that would send you to a URL contained in a specific >> field, but found myself blocked because I couldn't see a way to get >> OO to tell me what the currently-active cell is. > > I'm glad to see another person want the currently-active cell or row > in AppleScript. (If row then I could look up the cell of interest). I > too would really really like this feature. I stay on the list just in > hopes of finding a solution to this feature request. another applescript request -- unique ids for each row that do not change when the order is shuffled. This makes creating scripts that work on an outline multiple times a whole lot easier (and makes writing synchronizing scripts a whole lot easier too) James. From roth at visualclick.de Wed Jan 8 09:52:01 2003 From: roth at visualclick.de (Christian Roth) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:30:01 2005 Subject: Selecting multiple rows In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20030108175136.1543@mail.visualclick.de> >One thing that seems to be missing in OmniOutliner - and I think this >is quite a large issue - is the ability to select multiple rows at >once. As far as I can tell, shift-click (or any other modified click) >doesn't work for this. Click and drag (or Shift-Click) in the very left column space. This will select several contiguous rows, at least here: OO 2.1.1. I use this very often. Regards, Christian. From lists at informinit.com Wed Jan 8 09:56:00 2003 From: lists at informinit.com (Dan Frakes) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:30:01 2005 Subject: Some random OO feature ideas In-Reply-To: <3134C874-2315-11D7-B946-003065C77D56@centosprime.com> Message-ID: On 1/8/03 6:26 AM, "Chris Janton" wrote: > A special URL column is a terrible idea. A better idea is to have a > command-click (or double-click) on a URL anywhere in the outline open a > URL (including mail addresses) just like mail applications or browsers. Rather than have Omni Group spend time coding this ;) you may want to just install ICeCoffEE . It's an OS X implementaion of ICeTEe, and lets you command-click on URLs in any Cocoa app to open them in the appropriate app (Web URLs in Web broswer, email addresses in email client, etc.). From lists at informinit.com Wed Jan 8 09:59:00 2003 From: lists at informinit.com (Dan Frakes) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:30:01 2005 Subject: Selecting multiple rows In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 1/8/03 8:08 AM, "Angus McIntyre" wrote: > One thing that seems to be missing in OmniOutliner - and I think this > is quite a large issue - is the ability to select multiple rows at > once. As far as I can tell, shift-click (or any other modified click) > doesn't work for this. [snip] > Am I overlooking something, or is this a feature that could usefully be adde command-click and shift-click work fine for me. You just have to make sure you click in the "handle" area of each line (near the disclosure triangle or bullet). From angus at pobox.com Wed Jan 8 10:21:00 2003 From: angus at pobox.com (Angus McIntyre) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:30:01 2005 Subject: Selecting multiple rows In-Reply-To: <20030108175136.1543@mail.visualclick.de> References: <20030108175136.1543@mail.visualclick.de> Message-ID: At 18:51 +0100 08.01.2003, Christian Roth wrote: >Angus McIntyre wrote: >>One thing that seems to be missing in OmniOutliner ... is the ability >>to select multiple rows at once ... > >Click and drag (or Shift-Click) in the very left column space. This will >select several contiguous rows ... It works. Thank you, and apologies for my earlier post. I had tried everything but that. I should go away and read the, er, 'friendly' manual. Angus -- angus@pobox.com http://pobox.com/~angus From webmagician at attbi.com Wed Jan 8 10:47:01 2003 From: webmagician at attbi.com (Jeff Forte) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:30:01 2005 Subject: Some random OO feature ideas In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 1/8/03 8:04 AM, "Angus McIntyre" wrote: >> A special URL column is a terrible idea. A better idea is to >> have a command-click (or double-click) on a URL anywhere in the >> outline open a URL ... just like mail applications or browsers. > > Yes, this would obviously be better. There is a plug in that can do this already for all Cocoa applications. It's called: ICeCoffEE From webmagician at attbi.com Wed Jan 8 10:53:01 2003 From: webmagician at attbi.com (Jeff Forte) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:30:01 2005 Subject: Some random OO feature ideas In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 1/8/03 9:55 AM, "Dan Frakes" wrote: > Rather than have Omni Group spend time coding this ;) you may want to just > install ICeCoffEE . > > It's an OS X implementaion of ICeTEe, and lets you command-click on URLs in > any Cocoa app to open them in the appropriate app (Web URLs in Web broswer, > email addresses in email client, etc.). Woops ... Didn't see this post by Dan before I sent mine. Sorry for the repetition. From formido at mac.com Wed Jan 8 11:41:23 2003 From: formido at mac.com (Michael Terry) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:30:01 2005 Subject: Some random OO feature ideas In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 1/8/03 8:57 AM, "Nels Freed" wrote: > At 8:24 AM -0500 1/8/03, Angus McIntyre wrote: > >> One further feature request: could there be (or is there already) a >> way to get the currently selected text (and/or the contents of the >> 'current' cell) from OmniOutliner? I tried to implement a 'Go to >> URL' AppleScript that would send you to a URL contained in a >> specific field, but found myself blocked because I couldn't see a >> way to get OO to tell me what the currently-active cell is. > > I'm glad to see another person want the currently-active cell or row > in AppleScript. (If row then I could look up the cell of interest). > I too would really really like this feature. I stay on the list just > in hopes of finding a solution to this feature request. > > Nels As mentioned at the beginning of last month on the list, this is a frequent request. You can search the archives for Brian C.'s response on Dec. 9, but the gist is 'it's coming eventually.' Mike From david at loudthinking.com Wed Jan 8 12:15:06 2003 From: david at loudthinking.com (David Heinemeier Hansson) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:30:01 2005 Subject: OmniOutliner-Users digest, Vol 1 #206 - 13 msgs In-Reply-To: <200301082001.h08K12L08143@slowbro.omnigroup.com> Message-ID: <05C6EE1E-2345-11D7-BD46-000393A65C00@loudthinking.com> On onsdag, jan 8, 2003, at 21:01 Europe/Copenhagen, omnioutliner-users-request@omnigroup.com wrote: > One feature I very much like in Excel is the 'auto-filter': you get a > menu at the top of a column that has one item for each unique entry > in the column. When you choose an item, the spreadsheet is filtered > on the chosen item, so that only rows containing that item in that > column are displayed (there is, of course, a 'Show-all' item to > return to the full view). Another very good implementation of the > same idea can be found in Palm Desktop. I'd certainly like to second that request. It would make it a lot easier to implement huge lists, which are then sorted on something. Like having a Software Request list with a priority row that can be filtered by Low, Medium, or High. -- David Heinemeier Hansson http://www.loudthinking.com/ -- Broadcasting Brain From formido at mac.com Wed Jan 8 12:16:10 2003 From: formido at mac.com (Michael Terry) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:30:01 2005 Subject: Some random OO feature ideas In-Reply-To: <592E0D62-2330-11D7-A06A-000393CE1C1E@designframe.com> Message-ID: On 1/8/03 9:40 AM, "James Spahr" wrote: > another applescript request -- unique ids for each row that do not > change when the order is shuffled. This makes creating scripts that > work on an outline multiple times a whole lot easier (and makes writing > synchronizing scripts a whole lot easier too) Yes, I want to second this motion, this is extremely important to me. After getting the selected row and getting the selected text, this is next on my wish list for OO's AS support. I seem to need this for every project. The latest reason I wanted it was for my task management workflow. After checking off an item as done in my task display program, I want to be able to call back to my main task list in OO and delete its clone. Right now there's no good way to do it. Say my task display program is Entourage. When my initiating script sends over a task due today from OO to Entourage, it could save the hierarchical path to the OO item in the task description field in Entourage. But this creates only a tenuous and inefficient reference to the original. Tenuous because I may move the original in OO such that the saved path doesn't point to it anymore. Inefficient because the saved path may include parents containing many paragraphs of text. (In fact, Entourage probably limits the amount of text in a task description field, so I'd have to do something even more problematic, like write a separate file to disk as an intermediary.) Mike From jjcrump at u.washington.edu Thu Jan 9 16:07:04 2003 From: jjcrump at u.washington.edu (Jon Crump) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:30:01 2005 Subject: OmniOutliner-Users digest, Vol 1 #207 - 2 msgs In-Reply-To: <200301092010.h09KAdL21791@slowbro.omnigroup.com> Message-ID: Dear All, I still can't get what few keyboard shortcuts there are fro OO into my fingers! Three questions: 1. is there any way of moving the cursor or selecting a row using just the keyboard, when there is no row already selected? 2. related question: is there any way to select multiple contiguous rows using the keyboard 3. Is there any way to do the menu command "Add Item" using the keyboard? It sure would be nice to add a line immediately below the selected line whether or not there are children. Feature request: How hard would it be to make keyboard shortcuts configurable? Best, Jon Crump From quentin at pobox.com Thu Jan 9 23:48:01 2003 From: quentin at pobox.com (Quentin Stafford-Fraser) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:30:01 2005 Subject: OmniOutliner-Users digest, Vol 1 #206 - 13 msgs In-Reply-To: <05C6EE1E-2345-11D7-BD46-000393A65C00@loudthinking.com> Message-ID: On onsdag, jan 8, 2003, at 21:01 Europe/Copenhagen, omnioutliner-users-request@omnigroup.com wrote: > One feature I very much like in Excel is the 'auto-filter': you get a > menu at the top of a column that has one item for each unique entry > in the column. When you choose an item, the spreadsheet is filtered > on the chosen item, so that only rows containing that item in that > column are displayed (there is, of course, a 'Show-all' item to > return to the full view). Another very good implementation of the > same idea can be found in Palm Desktop. > Yes, I like this idea too, or a text-search box which filters in the same way that Mail filters messages. But let's not forget that OO is an outliner. How would you represent the hierarchical structure if you used this on a regular outline? Quentin ---- Dr Quentin Stafford-Fraser http://www.qandr.org/quentin From largecorp at mac.com Fri Jan 10 08:27:01 2003 From: largecorp at mac.com (Danno) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:30:01 2005 Subject: OmniOutliner-Users digest, Vol 1 #206 - 13 msgs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <481F2FA5-24B8-11D7-A166-0003938AFA14@mac.com> I still use my very old IN CONTROL outliner by Attain. It has a lovely "match" feature--sounds just like what's being described in Excel. When you do a match, it temporarily shifts from a true outline to a table. (This means that all your columns are still present.) In Control is still the best multi-column outliner I've used. I've lost my install disks (from 1993 or so!), so I can longer import or export from the program, which saddens me. OO has much of the basic value, but lacks in much of the very nice detail that IC had. D. Sullimax On Thursday, January 9, 2003, at 11:46 PM, Quentin Stafford-Fraser wrote: > Yes, I like this idea too, or a text-search box which filters in the > same way that Mail filters messages. But let's not forget that OO is > an outliner. How would you represent the hierarchical structure if > you used this on a regular outline? From greg at omnigroup.com Fri Jan 10 08:47:03 2003 From: greg at omnigroup.com (Greg Titus) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:30:01 2005 Subject: OmniOutliner-Users digest, Vol 1 #206 - 13 msgs In-Reply-To: <481F2FA5-24B8-11D7-A166-0003938AFA14@mac.com> Message-ID: <1F76EDA6-24BB-11D7-AF54-0003938E4E32@omnigroup.com> On Thursday, January 9, 2003, at 11:46 PM, Quentin Stafford-Fraser wrote: > Yes, I like this idea too, or a text-search box which filters in the > same way that Mail filters messages. But let's not forget that OO is > an outliner. How would you represent the hierarchical structure if > you used this on a regular outline? This feature is already implemented internally and will be in the next release of OmniOutliner. It's a filter control in the toolbar exactly the same as in Mail, allowing you to filter on the contents of a single column or on all of them at once. The filtering retains the hierarchical structure by displaying the parents of every row which matches as well as the matching rows themselves. For instance, with an outline like this: - A1 - B1 - B2 - A2 - A3 - B3 - A4 Filtering for "A" will result in: - A1 - A2 - A3 - B3 -A4 Notice how the hierarchy remains intact. Hope this helps, - Greg From angus at pobox.com Fri Jan 10 08:51:03 2003 From: angus at pobox.com (Angus McIntyre) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:30:01 2005 Subject: OmniOutliner-Users digest, Vol 1 #206 - 13 msgs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 7:46 +0000 10.01.2003, Quentin Stafford-Fraser wrote: >On onsdag, jan 8, 2003, at 21:01 Europe/Copenhagen, >omnioutliner-users-request@omnigroup.com wrote: > >> One feature I very much like in Excel is the 'auto-filter': you get a >> menu at the top of a column that has one item for each unique entry >> in the column. When you choose an item, the spreadsheet is filtered ... > >Yes, I like this idea too, or a text-search box which filters in the same >way that Mail filters messages. But let's not forget that OO is an >outliner. How would you represent the hierarchical structure if you >used this on a regular outline? There are two possibilities that I can think of. One would be to show anything matching the filter, plus its ancestor nodes. The ancestor nodes could be 'ghosted' (shown in pale gray) so that the items matching the filter would stand out more. The other would be to simply hide everything that didn't match the filter. The remaining items could be shown as a flat list, as someone suggested, or presented with indentation preserved, but without the ancestor items shown. I suspect that the first approach might be easier to implement. One possible nice feature of this is that calculated summaries could be updated according to what was shown (the OmniOutliner developers are now writhing in pain at the thought). In other words, if you have: Description Category Amount ----------- -------- ------ Expenditure 12700.00 Jan 2003 12700.00 6 polled Herefords livestock 10000.00 1 smallish RPG firearms 400.00 2 llamas (semi-tame) livestock 2000.00 500ct 5.56mm ammo firearms 300.00 this would change to: Description Category Amount ----------- [livestock] ------ Expenditure 12000.00 Jan 2003 12000.00 6 polled Herefords livestock 10000.00 2 llamas (semi-tame) livestock 2000.00 when filtered. This might be getting rather far from the purpose of an outliner, although this kind of feature could be useful in other applications (project planning, where you could see at a glance how much time is required to implement specific subparts?). I wouldn't want to encourage the OO team to stray from their core objectives, but I see an outliner as a general tool for thinking, and there's probably room for adding a few neat features - which could lead to the software being used in ways its makers never dreamed of - without getting too far off track. Angus -- angus@pobox.com http://pobox.com/~angus From largecorp at mac.com Fri Jan 10 14:15:02 2003 From: largecorp at mac.com (Danno) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:30:01 2005 Subject: print a single column Message-ID: Any way to print a single column? Pardon me asking a basic question, but for some reason my help file has stopped working! D. Sullimax From quentin at pobox.com Fri Jan 10 14:22:01 2003 From: quentin at pobox.com (Quentin Stafford-Fraser) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:30:01 2005 Subject: OmniOutliner-Users digest, Vol 1 #206 - 13 msgs In-Reply-To: <1F76EDA6-24BB-11D7-AF54-0003938E4E32@omnigroup.com> Message-ID: On Friday, January 10, 2003, at 04:46 PM, Greg Titus wrote: > This feature is already implemented internally and will be in the next > release of OmniOutliner. It's a filter control in the toolbar exactly > the same as in Mail, allowing you to filter on the contents of a > single column or on all of them at once. > Splendid! One step ahead of us as usual! Looking forward to it, Quentin From lists at mostrom.pp.se Mon Jan 13 04:26:00 2003 From: lists at mostrom.pp.se (Jan Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?Mostr=F6m?=) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:30:01 2005 Subject: Slightly frustrated Message-ID: There is one thing with OO that can make me very frustrated sometimes: the setting of font, size, etc for heading and notes. I don't exactly know why it's so difficult for me but it usually takes me several tries before I'm able to set the font, size, etc. I'm hoping that I'm not too stupid and something can be made to make the user interaction better. jem -- Jan Erik Mostr?m jem@mostrom.pp.se www.mostrom.pp.se From andy at petdance.com Mon Jan 13 05:17:01 2003 From: andy at petdance.com (Andy Lester) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:30:01 2005 Subject: Slightly frustrated In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20030113140848.GA5759@petdance.com> > There is one thing with OO that can make me very frustrated sometimes: > the setting of font, size, etc for heading and notes. > > I don't exactly know why it's so difficult for me but it usually takes > me several tries before I'm able to set the font, size, etc. > > I'm hoping that I'm not too stupid and something can be made to make the > user interaction better. Is the column text or rich text? If it's text, then there's a bug with the redrawing of the text, such that it only draws the text with the font/size settings when you move your cursor onto the row. Turn the column to rich text and you get automatically updated text. xoa -- 'Andy Lester andy@petdance.com Programmer/author petdance.com Daddy parsley.org/quinn Jk'=~/.+/s;print((split//,$&) [unpack'C*',"n2]3%+>\"34.'%&.'^%4+!o.'"]) From lists at mostrom.pp.se Mon Jan 13 06:11:01 2003 From: lists at mostrom.pp.se (Jan Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?Mostr=F6m?=) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:30:01 2005 Subject: Slightly frustrated In-Reply-To: <20030113140848.GA5759@petdance.com> Message-ID: 2003-01-13 08:08: Andy Lester is believed to have typed: > Is the column text or rich text? If it's text, then there's a bug > with the redrawing of the text, such that it only draws the text > with the font/size settings when you move your cursor onto the > row. > > Turn the column to rich text and you get automatically updated > text. Right now it's actually something very simple. How do I set the default font/size for notes and how can I change it for every note at once? jem -- Jan Erik Mostr?m jem@mostrom.pp.se www.mostrom.pp.se From anggreani at imap.cc Tue Jan 14 18:22:01 2003 From: anggreani at imap.cc (Phebe Anggreani) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:30:01 2005 Subject: Slightly frustrated In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <13C1B2E4-2773-11D7-938C-000393413C70@imap.cc> On Monday, January 13, 2003, at 08:10 am, Jan Erik Mostr?m wrote: > Right now it's actually something very simple. How do I set the > default font/size for notes and how can I change it for every note at > once? You need to change the fonts in the info palette: 1. Display these palettes: - Info palette (command-shift-i) - Font panel (command-t) - Color palette (command-shift-c) 2. Highlight 1 of the row levels & change the styles. Styled text wouldn't change though. From lists at mostrom.pp.se Wed Jan 15 00:08:01 2003 From: lists at mostrom.pp.se (Jan Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?Mostr=F6m?=) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:30:01 2005 Subject: Slightly frustrated In-Reply-To: <13C1B2E4-2773-11D7-938C-000393413C70@imap.cc> Message-ID: 2003-01-13 21:48: Phebe Anggreani is believed to have typed: > On Monday, January 13, 2003, at 08:10 am, Jan Erik Mostr?m wrote: > > > Right now it's actually something very simple. How do I set the > > default font/size for notes and how can I change it for every note at > > once? > > You need to change the fonts in the info palette: > 1. Display these palettes: > - Info palette (command-shift-i) > - Font panel (command-t) > - Color palette (command-shift-c) > 2. Highlight 1 of the row levels & change the styles. > > Styled text wouldn't change though. For me this changes the header, not the note. Am I missing something here? jem -- Jan Erik Mostr?m jem@mostrom.pp.se www.mostrom.pp.se From bdarcus at fastmail.fm Wed Jan 15 00:43:02 2003 From: bdarcus at fastmail.fm (Bruce D'Arcus) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:30:01 2005 Subject: Slightly frustrated In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wednesday, January 15, 2003, at 03:07 AM, Jan Erik Mostr?m wrote: > For me this changes the header, not the note. Am I missing something > here? I thought I answered this a couple days ago, but maybe not. Answer: you cannot set the default notes font. This is an obvious omission that Omni ought to fix (I've been complaining about it for awhile). Goes into my more general point that Omni ought to work on the details of the UI before moving on to major new features... Bruce From anggreani at imap.cc Wed Jan 15 09:35:01 2003 From: anggreani at imap.cc (Phebe Anggreani) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:30:01 2005 Subject: Slightly frustrated In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <87544E69-28AF-11D7-827E-000393413C70@imap.cc> Ok, got it. My temporarily fix is to use applescript: ========== tell application "OmniOutliner" activate set rowCount to count rows of front document repeat with i from 1 to rowCount set aRow to row i of front document set font of note of aRow to "Verdana" set size of note of aRow to "11" end repeat end tell ========== You can change the font and the fonts size to match your need. Then save it inside the OO Scripts folder (~/Library/Application Support/OmniOutliner/Scripts). Phebe On Wednesday, January 15, 2003, at 02:07 am, Jan Erik Mostr?m wrote: > 2003-01-13 21:48: Phebe Anggreani is believed to > have typed: > >> On Monday, January 13, 2003, at 08:10 am, Jan Erik Mostr?m wrote: >> >>> Right now it's actually something very simple. How do I set the >>> default font/size for notes and how can I change it for every note > at >>> once? >> >> You need to change the fonts in the info palette: >> 1. Display these palettes: >> - Info palette (command-shift-i) >> - Font panel (command-t) >> - Color palette (command-shift-c) >> 2. Highlight 1 of the row levels & change the styles. >> >> Styled text wouldn't change though. > > For me this changes the header, not the note. Am I missing something > here? > > jem > -- > Jan Erik Mostr?m jem@mostrom.pp.se www.mostrom.pp.se > From dvorak at omnigroup.com Wed Jan 15 21:22:00 2003 From: dvorak at omnigroup.com (Brian C.) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:30:01 2005 Subject: Styles aren't applied on initial document opening In-Reply-To: <20030103215522.GB14025@petdance.com> Message-ID: <5739AC9A-2912-11D7-A281-000A2794C6CA@omnigroup.com> Sorry for the tardy reply: I was away at MacWorld all last week, and I've been working on getting the next beta of OO out the door before getting caught up on mail very much. Wanted to let you know that this is a known issue, and we've fixed it for the next release, which we'll have out as soon as we possibly can. I'll be slowly getting caught up on stuff like this over the next couple of days... Sincerely, Brian C. Support Manager Omni Group On Friday, January 3, 2003, at 01:55 PM, Andy Lester wrote: > I love my OO, but it's not showing styles on the levels when I > initially > open a document. I have to move my cursor to the row before, say, my > bold Tahoma 14 shows up as bold Tahoma 14. > > Known bummer? Any developers want samples and/or screenshots? > > Thanks, > Andy > > > -- > 'Andy Lester andy@petdance.com > Programmer/author petdance.com > Daddy parsley.org/quinn Jk'=~/.+/s;print((split//,$&) > [unpack'C*',"n2]3%+>\"34.'%&.'^%4+!o.'"]) > _______________________________________________ > OmniOutliner-Users mailing list > OmniOutliner-Users@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnioutliner-users From jonathan.greene at eurorscg.com Thu Jan 16 08:25:03 2003 From: jonathan.greene at eurorscg.com (Jonathan Greene) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:30:01 2005 Subject: won't hold font pref Message-ID: <0308114D-296F-11D7-A63B-003065CDC690@eurorscg.com> I keep on setting my font for an outline as well as in general prefs and it keeps on switching back to what it once was... Any thoughts on how to stop this? The font I want Lucida Grande is set in my prefs as the default, but I keep getting Gil Sans Thanks, JG From bdarcus at fastmail.fm Thu Jan 16 08:55:01 2003 From: bdarcus at fastmail.fm (Bruce D'Arcus) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:30:01 2005 Subject: won't hold font pref In-Reply-To: <0308114D-296F-11D7-A63B-003065CDC690@eurorscg.com> Message-ID: <129C1CDC-2973-11D7-AB43-0030657A7050@fastmail.fm> On Thursday, January 16, 2003, at 11:24 AM, Jonathan Greene wrote: > I keep on setting my font for an outline as well as in general prefs > and it keeps on switching back to what it once was... Any thoughts on > how to stop this? The font I want Lucida Grande is set in my prefs as > the default, but I keep getting Gil Sans I'd guess this is related to Brian's earlier note about a (probably) related font bug, which he indicated has been fixed for the next release. Bruce From dvorak at omnigroup.com Thu Jan 16 13:33:19 2003 From: dvorak at omnigroup.com (Brian C.) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:30:01 2005 Subject: Some random OO feature ideas In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wednesday, January 8, 2003, at 05:24 AM, Angus McIntyre wrote: > One feature I very much like in Excel is the 'auto-filter': you get a > menu at the top of a column that has one item for each unique entry in > the column. When you choose an item, the spreadsheet is filtered on > the chosen item, so that only rows containing that item in that column > are displayed (there is, of course, a 'Show-all' item to return to the > full view). Another very good implementation of the same idea can be > found in Palm Desktop. We have an existing feature request for this, and I'm attachin your mail to that item in the F.R. Database. No specific plans to implement it at this point, but it's something we want to do eventually. > Another unrelated idea would be the use of OmniOutliner as a bookmark > manager. Two things might be nice to have here. One would be a URL > column type: anything in the column could be assumed to be a URL, and > clicking on it would cause it to be passed to the default handler for > the appropriate URL scheme. URL support is our number one feature request, and we're planning on implementing it sooner rather than later. > A second would be the ability to import and export bookmark files. > I've taken a quick look at the Explorer Favorites file, and it seems > to be fairly skanky HTML. This would be difficult to parse using, say, > the XML Tools OSAX, so I haven't seriously tried to AppleScript a > solution. But it shouldn't be that hard to parse or generate and the > ability to suck bookmark files into OmniOutliner, play with them, and > then write them out again might definitely be a selling point. This should be doable fairly soon if someone wanted to write an XSLT stylesheet to do the conversion from our XML format to the various browser bookmark files. Once we support URL's, I'll probably take a look at this if it still needs to be done at that point... > One further feature request: could there be (or is there already) a > way to get the currently selected text (and/or the contents of the > 'current' cell) from OmniOutliner? I tried to implement a 'Go to URL' > AppleScript that would send you to a URL contained in a specific > field, but found myself blocked because I couldn't see a way to get OO > to tell me what the currently-active cell is. Not possible with current releases, but this should change fairly soon. Sincerely, Brian C. Support Manager Omni Group From lists at informinit.com Thu Jan 16 14:25:05 2003 From: lists at informinit.com (Dan Frakes) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:30:01 2005 Subject: Some random OO feature ideas In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 1/16/03 1:15 PM, "Brian C." wrote: >> Another unrelated idea would be the use of OmniOutliner as a bookmark >> manager. Two things might be nice to have here. One would be a URL >> column type: anything in the column could be assumed to be a URL, and >> clicking on it would cause it to be passed to the default handler for >> the appropriate URL scheme. > > URL support is our number one feature request, and we're planning on > implementing it sooner rather than later. If you install ICeCoffEE: you'll have full URL support; command+clicking on any URL in OO (or any other Cocoa app) will open the URL in the appropriate app. (I'd rather see the OO team spend time on features that can't be provided so easily ) From dvorak at omnigroup.com Thu Jan 16 17:41:02 2003 From: dvorak at omnigroup.com (Brian C.) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:30:01 2005 Subject: won't hold font pref In-Reply-To: <0308114D-296F-11D7-A63B-003065CDC690@eurorscg.com> Message-ID: <4E09F11E-29BC-11D7-A281-000A2794C6CA@omnigroup.com> Is this a problem with new documents that you're creating, or did you create the document with the preference on Gil Sans, then change the app's preference to Lucida? If it's the latter situation, now you're seeing new items in the document still created with Gil because the default font for the document is set at document creation time. The preference panel change will only affect new documents that you create. You'll want to change the level styles via the Info Window to achieve the effect you're after. Select them all, then set them to L.G. there... Sincerely, Brian C. Support Manager Omni Group On Thursday, January 16, 2003, at 08:24 AM, Jonathan Greene wrote: > I keep on setting my font for an outline as well as in general prefs > and it keeps on switching back to what it once was... Any thoughts on > how to stop this? The font I want Lucida Grande is set in my prefs as > the default, but I keep getting Gil Sans > > Thanks, > JG > > _______________________________________________ > OmniOutliner-Users mailing list > OmniOutliner-Users@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnioutliner-users From rod at eight13.com Thu Jan 16 20:43:03 2003 From: rod at eight13.com (Rod Holmes) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:30:01 2005 Subject: Strategy Request from a Newby Message-ID: <1BF62EB0-29D6-11D7-AE3A-0003933F759C@eight13.com> Hi all, I downloaded Omni Outliner yesterday and have absolutely fallen in love with it. It's the first outline software I've ever used. I've already moved much of my work from other apps (no more forcing Excel and FileMaker through hoops) to Outliner--it just works better for how I work and think. Two jobs I switched immediately to Outliner are: 1) Taking notes at meetings 'n such. 2) Managing my ToDo list(s). The note-taking system is pretty simple. I've got one "Notes" directory in my "Documents" folder. I'll have a separate document for each meeting/phone call/seminar (rather than one per day) with the date and title (2003.01.17_Bob_Meeting) in the document name. However, I'm hoping to get some suggestion on how to set up a ToDo system. My only requirement of a system is that I can keep a history of what I've done. I was thinking I'd "Save as..." my ToDo list every morning with the date (2003.01.17_ToDo) and then delete the items that are finished on the first level basis. But that's a fairly manual way to do things. So, any other system suggestions? I can feel that Outliner is going to be a considerable part of my "iLife" and I hope to get things set up well from the start. Thanks for the advice AND for a wonderful, wonderful product. Regards, Rod ---------------------------------------------- Rod Holmes Managing Partner - Eight13 LLC e: rod@eight13.com p/f: +81-3-3708-7240 w: http://www.eight13.com/ ---------------------------------------------- From mark at imap-partners.net Fri Jan 17 01:09:01 2003 From: mark at imap-partners.net (mark) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:30:02 2005 Subject: Strategy Request from a Newby In-Reply-To: <1BF62EB0-29D6-11D7-AE3A-0003933F759C@eight13.com> Message-ID: <4EAA5013-29FB-11D7-AE78-000393036AB6@imap-partners.net> On Friday, January 17, 2003, at 05:42 AM, Rod Holmes wrote: > Hi all, > > However, I'm hoping to get some suggestion on how to set up a ToDo > system. My only requirement of a system is that I can keep a history > of what I've done. I was thinking I'd "Save as..." my ToDo list every > morning with the date (2003.01.17_ToDo) and then delete the items that > are finished on the first level basis. But that's a fairly manual way > to do things. > Take a look at the column type options that are available in the inspector. e.g. I run a multi-project ToDo list in OO with columns for Topic (contains the task hierarchy): type = rich text, summaries = none, show status check boxes = on Priority: type = popup list, summaries = none status; type = popup list, summaries = none Due date: type = date, summaries = none, format = as you like it Cost: type = duration, summaries = calculated, format = work time But there are probably lots of other cleverer ways to do this, HTH anyway, mark. From jonathan.greene at eurorscg.com Fri Jan 17 05:06:01 2003 From: jonathan.greene at eurorscg.com (Jonathan Greene) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:30:02 2005 Subject: won't hold font pref In-Reply-To: <4E09F11E-29BC-11D7-A281-000A2794C6CA@omnigroup.com> Message-ID: <6430F71A-2A1C-11D7-9D9B-003065CDC690@eurorscg.com> It is as you describe... but I see no way to change the font in the info panel. I can't edit the level styles with font changes though. On Thursday, January 16, 2003, at 08:37 PM, Brian C. wrote: > Is this a problem with new documents that you're creating, or did you > create the document with the preference on Gil Sans, then change the > app's preference to Lucida? If it's the latter situation, now you're > seeing new items in the document still created with Gil because the > default font for the document is set at document creation time. The > preference panel change will only affect new documents that you > create. > > You'll want to change the level styles via the Info Window to achieve > the effect you're after. Select them all, then set them to L.G. > there... > > Sincerely, > > Brian C. > Support Manager > Omni Group > > > On Thursday, January 16, 2003, at 08:24 AM, Jonathan Greene wrote: > >> I keep on setting my font for an outline as well as in general prefs >> and it keeps on switching back to what it once was... Any thoughts >> on how to stop this? The font I want Lucida Grande is set in my >> prefs as the default, but I keep getting Gil Sans >> >> Thanks, >> JG >> >> _______________________________________________ >> OmniOutliner-Users mailing list >> OmniOutliner-Users@omnigroup.com >> http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnioutliner-users > > _______________________________________________ > OmniOutliner-Users mailing list > OmniOutliner-Users@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnioutliner-users > From dailygrind at thewonderllama.com Fri Jan 17 10:19:29 2003 From: dailygrind at thewonderllama.com (Brendan Sweeney) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:30:02 2005 Subject: won't hold font pref In-Reply-To: <6430F71A-2A1C-11D7-9D9B-003065CDC690@eurorscg.com> Message-ID: <1492CE48-2A46-11D7-B0CB-000393696EB8@thewonderllama.com> You need to open inspector, then highlight all the levels, and then hit apple-T. I've requested they include the font properties in the inspector panel, because like you it took me a long time to figure out you could change the font by level. ~BS On Friday, January 17, 2003, at 05:05 AM, Jonathan Greene wrote: > It is as you describe... but I see no way to change the font in the > info panel. I can't edit the level styles with font changes though. > > > On Thursday, January 16, 2003, at 08:37 PM, Brian C. wrote: > >> Is this a problem with new documents that you're creating, or did you >> create the document with the preference on Gil Sans, then change the >> app's preference to Lucida? If it's the latter situation, now you're >> seeing new items in the document still created with Gil because the >> default font for the document is set at document creation time. The >> preference panel change will only affect new documents that you > >> create. >> >> You'll want to change the level styles via the Info Window to achieve >> the effect you're after. Select them all, then set them to L.G. >> there... >> >> Sincerely, >> >> Brian C. >> Support Manager >> Omni Group >> >> >> On Thursday, January 16, 2003, at 08:24 AM, Jonathan Greene wrote: >> >>> I keep on setting my font for an outline as well as in general prefs >>> and it keeps on switching back to what it once was... Any thoughts >>> on how to stop this? The font I want Lucida Grande is set in my >>> prefs as the default, but I keep getting Gil Sans >>> >>> Thanks, >>> JG >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> OmniOutliner-Users mailing list >>> OmniOutliner-Users@omnigroup.com >>> http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnioutliner-users >> >> _______________________________________________ >> OmniOutliner-Users mailing list >> OmniOutliner-Users@omnigroup.com >> http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnioutliner-users >> > > _______________________________________________ > OmniOutliner-Users mailing list > OmniOutliner-Users@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnioutliner-users > http://www.thewonderllama.com From bohdanz at yahoo.com Sun Jan 19 22:27:30 2003 From: bohdanz at yahoo.com (Bohdan Zachary) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:30:02 2005 Subject: Can subtopics share same column option? Message-ID: <20030120061618.90407.qmail@web11701.mail.yahoo.com> Forgive me if my question isn't quite clear: In outining and writing a novel in OmniOutliner, I've created one column called 'Act' which has pop up choices of 'One' 'Two' and 'Three.' (These are just perfect for knowing what part of the story I'm in.) Let's say I have created a plotline in Act One and then start creating subtopics to it, is there a way that the subtopics would default to the Act 'One' already assigned to the parent topic above? Your thoughts and help are appreciated. Thanks. Bohdan __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dvorak at omnigroup.com Mon Jan 20 14:21:05 2003 From: dvorak at omnigroup.com (Brian C.) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:30:02 2005 Subject: Can subtopics share same column option? In-Reply-To: <20030120061618.90407.qmail@web11701.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3920E0F8-2CC5-11D7-BA0A-000A2794C6CA@omnigroup.com> Not at this point, but that's a good suggestion, which I'll add to the feature request database. Thanks! Sincerely, Brian C. Support Manager Omni Group On Sunday, January 19, 2003, at 10:16 PM, Bohdan Zachary wrote: > Forgive me if my question isn't quite clear: > > In outining and writing a novel in OmniOutliner, I've > created one column called 'Act' which has pop up > choices of 'One' 'Two' and 'Three.' (These are just > perfect for knowing what part of the story I'm in.) > > Let's say I have created a plotline in Act One and > then start creating subtopics to it, is there a way > that the subtopics would default to the Act 'One' > already assigned to the parent topic above? > > Your thoughts and help are appreciated. > Thanks. > Bohdan > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. > http://mailplus.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > OmniOutliner-Users mailing list > OmniOutliner-Users@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnioutliner-users From dvorak at omnigroup.com Mon Jan 20 17:38:01 2003 From: dvorak at omnigroup.com (Brian C.) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:30:02 2005 Subject: I'm curious??? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <47B85AA3-2CE0-11D7-BA0A-000A2794C6CA@omnigroup.com> > Can you share with us what the most popular requests are? Image support Document/File attachments Customizable document headers/footers Palm support URL support Print Selected/Checked/Unchecked Hide (but don't destroy) Checked Items Print the Column Headers Auto-Save Hide drag handles/Disclosure triangles when printing. Out of the roughly 1000 bugs/feature requests we have written up, these are the folks that really stand out from the crowd. There's a ton more that have between one and a handful of requests attached to them. > I'm not asking what you are working on or when you expect to complete > the next version (not > that I'd mind knowing) No comment. =) Sincerely, Brian C. Support Manager Omni Group On Monday, January 20, 2003, at 04:56 PM, Rob Blau wrote: From grobinson at transpose.com Tue Jan 21 09:57:05 2003 From: grobinson at transpose.com (Gary Robinson) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:30:02 2005 Subject: Clones In-Reply-To: <200301112003.h0BK3ZL25907@slowbro.omnigroup.com> Message-ID: I've mentioned this before, but since there's no change in some time I thought I'd mention it again: MORE had a GREAT feature called "Clones" whereby the same heading and its subheads could appear in different positions in an outline. Changing one clone changes the other. The great thing about it is that you can follow more than one hierarchy to get to the information you want. That makes it easier to find, particularly since some info just doesn't only apply to one position in the hierarchy. Best, Gary -- http://ThisURLEnablesEmailToGetThroughOverzealousSpamFilters.org/ Gary Robinson CEO Transpose, LLC grobinson@transpose.com 207-942-3463 http://www.transpose.com http://radio.weblogs.com/0101454 From mark at imap-partners.net Tue Jan 21 13:44:48 2003 From: mark at imap-partners.net (mark) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:30:02 2005 Subject: I'm curious??? In-Reply-To: <47B85AA3-2CE0-11D7-BA0A-000A2794C6CA@omnigroup.com> Message-ID: <7B3FA2C4-2D88-11D7-A708-000393036AB6@imap-partners.net> On Tuesday, January 21, 2003, at 02:33 AM, Brian C. wrote: >> Can you share with us what the most popular requests are? > > Image support > Document/File attachments > Customizable document headers/footers > Palm support > URL support > Print Selected/Checked/Unchecked > Hide (but don't destroy) Checked Items > Print the Column Headers > Auto-Save > Hide drag handles/Disclosure triangles when printing. > Nobody asking for Services then ? Put me down for those. A "copy to OO" service would of course require a destination file and a location in that destination file. (NoteTaker has such a feature.) mark. From Joel.Christman at mac.com Tue Jan 21 14:52:13 2003 From: Joel.Christman at mac.com (Joel Christman) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:30:02 2005 Subject: I'm curious??? In-Reply-To: <7B3FA2C4-2D88-11D7-A708-000393036AB6@imap-partners.net> Message-ID: <603103FB-2D8D-11D7-9AD3-0003937534DA@mac.com> I vote for services also, especially the way NoteTaker has implemented it with multiple destination file options. Joel On Tuesday, January 21, 2003, at 04:37 PM, mark wrote: > > On Tuesday, January 21, 2003, at 02:33 AM, Brian C. wrote: > >>> Can you share with us what the most popular requests are? >> >> Image support >> Document/File attachments >> Customizable document headers/footers >> Palm support >> URL support >> Print Selected/Checked/Unchecked >> Hide (but don't destroy) Checked Items >> Print the Column Headers >> Auto-Save >> Hide drag handles/Disclosure triangles when printing. >> > > Nobody asking for Services then ? > > Put me down for those. > > A "copy to OO" service would of course require a destination file and > a location in that destination file. (NoteTaker has such a feature.) > > mark. > > _______________________________________________ > OmniOutliner-Users mailing list > OmniOutliner-Users@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnioutliner-users From cpac at mac.com Tue Jan 21 22:20:04 2003 From: cpac at mac.com (Ciaran P. A. Connelly) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:30:02 2005 Subject: font in applescript w/ 2.2 beta In-Reply-To: <603103FB-2D8D-11D7-9AD3-0003937534DA@mac.com> Message-ID: <773C97F2-2DD1-11D7-9BF9-00039315F98C@mac.com> So I wrote a script which I eventually got to work that even though I couldn't seem to set the font manually, I could read it from one row and apply it to others. the relevant part looked like this: set theDoc to front document set myFont to the font of the topic of the last row of theDoc make new row at end of rows of theDoc set caseRow to the last row of theDoc set topic of caseRow to "Case Name" set font of topic of caseRow to myFont The result was a row called "case name" that was in whatever font the last row of my document was. Now, with 2.2 beta, this doesn't work anymore. Thoughts/suggestions? From bdarcus at fastmail.fm Wed Jan 22 04:47:01 2003 From: bdarcus at fastmail.fm (Bruce D'Arcus) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:30:02 2005 Subject: OO 2.2, XML, and XSLT Message-ID: <31D381C8-2E08-11D7-8351-0050E4258255@fastmail.fm> Great to see the new XML format released. This opens up big possibilities with XSLT. A suggestion for final release: include a few sample XSLT files (XHTML for Word, LaTeX, DocBook), along with associated Applescripts that take the current document and transform it using the XSLT Tools Scripting Addition: http://www.latenightsw.com/freeware/XSLTTools/index.html Ideally Omni might have its own integrated XSLT solution,* but XSLT Tools would work well also. Bruce * Actually, ideal would be for Apple to build an XSLT engine into OS X itself and have an easy-to-use interface for Cocoa apps. From bdarcus at fastmail.fm Wed Jan 22 05:34:38 2003 From: bdarcus at fastmail.fm (Bruce D'Arcus) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:30:02 2005 Subject: NoteTaker and OO (was Re: I'm curious???) In-Reply-To: <603103FB-2D8D-11D7-9AD3-0003937534DA@mac.com> Message-ID: On Tuesday, January 21, 2003, at 05:12 PM, Joel Christman wrote: > I vote for services also, especially the way NoteTaker has implemented > it with multiple destination file options. I just took a look at NoteTaker. VERY cool, it is essentially the old NeXt app Notebook reborn. With NoteTaker and it's support for images and other media, links, etc., I wonder how important it is for OO to implement this stuff? It'd be nice to see NoteTaker and OO evolve in tandem such that they could work seamlessly together. I think I remember reading at one point that Notebook allowed one to place bookmarks not just within the app, but also in other apps as well. Maybe this kind of interaction is worth exploring. As for OO itself, now that the new XML format is there, I'd really like to see them return to getting the basic interface right. There are all kinds of little details -- the most glaring the lack of a notes default font pref -- that could use attention before moving on to bigger thing.. Bruce From rtebiz at earthlink.net Wed Jan 22 05:39:01 2003 From: rtebiz at earthlink.net (Bob Embry) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:30:02 2005 Subject: Window scrolling not working in version 2.2 beta 1 (v51) Message-ID: When dragging rows or dragging a selection in the gutter, the window doesn't scroll when I reach the bottom edge of the window. Anybody else have this problem? Bob From rtebiz at earthlink.net Wed Jan 22 06:44:22 2003 From: rtebiz at earthlink.net (Bob Embry) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:30:02 2005 Subject: Window scrolling not working in version 2.2 beta 1 (v51) Message-ID: Opps, I wrote too soon. When I was dragging a row, I was apparently moving past the border too fast. However I still haven't succeeded in getting the window to scroll during drag selection in the gutter. Is this a bug, missing feature, or what? From bdarcus at fastmail.fm Wed Jan 22 06:56:49 2003 From: bdarcus at fastmail.fm (Bruce D'Arcus) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:30:02 2005 Subject: ActiveRenderer and OO Message-ID: <480E21FA-2E18-11D7-8351-0050E4258255@fastmail.fm> Has anyone by chance tried to get OO to work with ActiveRenderer? http://radio.weblogs.com/0104487/outlines/aR/activeRenderer.html This is very cool. The relevant part (though you should look at the page yourself to see how an outliner can be represented on the web) is: > activeRenderer upstreams outlines stored as OPML files to your Radio > public site. > > Along the way, it translates the OPML to HTML, so that the published > version may be read in regular Web browsers. > > The HTML pages rendered by activeRenderer rely on CSS styling and a > little Javascript to make the collapse/expand feature common to > outliners available directly in the Web browser. It'd be cool if this could be hacked (maybe with Applescript) to provide the same functionality with OO. Alas, I don't know how to do this! Bruce -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/enriched Size: 883 bytes Desc: not available Url : /mailman/archive/omnioutliner-users/attachments/20030122/5f2d4051/attachment.bin From t.takashina at computer.org Wed Jan 22 08:41:02 2003 From: t.takashina at computer.org (Tomomi TAKASHINA) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:30:02 2005 Subject: NoteTaker and OO (was Re: I'm curious???) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <8193551.1043253806836.JavaMail.t.takashina@computer.org> At Wed, 22 Jan 2003 08:25:16 -0500, "Bruce D'Arcus" wrote: > With NoteTaker and it's support for images and other media, links, > etc., I wonder how important it is for OO to implement this stuff? > It'd be nice to see NoteTaker and OO evolve in tandem such that they I had used Acta Classic to record idea and results for some years, and it's really comfortable. Acta Classic is good outline processor and can handle with images. It provides resizing function for images, which is necessary for summarizing idea smoothly. Perhaps, NoteTaker doesn't have resizing function. I really hope OmniOutliner has image support. It should be a kind of hyper note, which could be stronger point than Emacs. (I use Emacs for usual writing.) =================================== Tomomi TAKASHINA http://homepage.mac.com/t_takashina =================================== From erithacus at mac.com Wed Jan 22 16:14:12 2003 From: erithacus at mac.com (Erithacus rubecula) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:30:02 2005 Subject: feature request (prev. I'm curious) Message-ID: <571AC7D9-2E4B-11D7-A133-003065E2D7A0@mac.com> Hi Brian, > >> Can you share with us what the most popular requests are? > > Image support > Document/File attachments > Customizable document headers/footers > Palm support > URL support > Print Selected/Checked/Unchecked > Hide (but don't destroy) Checked Items > Print the Column Headers > Auto-Save > Hide drag handles/Disclosure triangles when printing. > > Out of the roughly 1000 bugs/feature requests we have written up, these > are the folks that really stand out from the crowd. There's a ton more > that have between one and a handful of requests attached to them. > I must say that this list surprises me. No I'm not trying to advocate that my request goes above the sheer numbers of others. I'm just expressing my surprise. Either because i) it's exactly as you say and therefore it's just a plain simple surprise, or ii) it's a feature that's slipped up because it might be considered as a feature request of OmniGraffle. The feature that I can't see is forwards and backwards compatability, updating or whatever you might call, the ability to go from OO to OG and then back again seamlessly and as frequently as you want with all changes reflected in both documents. Or even (to put the dual package of OO and OG on an equal footing with Inspiration) the ability to go from ideas in OG and then to automatically create and outline in OO (instead of having to start with OO and then go to OG). This is certainly a feature that I've requested along time ago. I'm surprised (given the number of folks that like Inspiration) that this is not a more popular request. Could it be that I've missed something here, or could it be the way the feature requests are compiled means that it wouldn't show up? Worst case scenario the feature wish list of OO and the separate feature list of OG don't clock this request because they think respectively that it's the domain of the other application. To you other OO users who might like this - if this is a feature that you also wanted to be included I guess an email request (cut paste and 'ditto') might raise the profile. If I'm truly one of the few that wanted this inter-operability, then I guess it's another in the list of things that I'm learning new every day :-) best, Robin From dvorak at omnigroup.com Wed Jan 22 16:21:44 2003 From: dvorak at omnigroup.com (Brian C.) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:30:02 2005 Subject: Outliner 2.2 beta 1 is out Message-ID: <7FE88451-2E4E-11D7-91EA-000A2794C6CA@omnigroup.com> As some of you have noticed, the first beta release of OmniOutliner v2.2 is out. Fun new cool stuff: XML export -which enables export to Word's outliner, among other things Keynote Import/Export More column types can be formatted/styled AppleScript changes - get/set selected row/column, added indent/outdent commands Full details are here: And you can download here: I should have a disk image with stuff to walk folks through the Word export process soon; I'll let you know when it's been posted for download. Sincerely, Brian C. Support Manager Omni Group From t.takashina at computer.org Wed Jan 22 17:03:17 2003 From: t.takashina at computer.org (Tomomi TAKASHINA) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:30:02 2005 Subject: NoteTaker and OO (was Re: I'm curious???) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <8193551.1043283271792.JavaMail.t.takashina@computer.org> At Wed, 22 Jan 2003 14:50:29 -0500, "Bruce D'Arcus" wrote: > On Wednesday, January 22, 2003, at 11:43 AM, Tomomi TAKASHINA wrote: > > > Perhaps, NoteTaker > > doesn't have resizing function. > > "Perhaps"? Actually, it does, along with voice recording, slide show > mode, etc., etc. Thanks. Another person sent me information that right-click or option-click enables scaling. However, it's not intuitive, is it? The problem is that NoteTaker is really unstable in my environment. I'm not sure it comes from Japanese environment. Does it work stably in your environment? On the other hand, OmniOutliner is stable enough. I want to use stable tool and stable format for written important ones. So I use Emacs and text files for long-term documents and OmniOutliner for middle-term and specific-purpose documents. =================================== Tomomi TAKASHINA http://homepage.mac.com/t_takashina =================================== From bdarcus at fastmail.fm Wed Jan 22 17:15:49 2003 From: bdarcus at fastmail.fm (Bruce D'Arcus) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:30:02 2005 Subject: NoteTaker and OO (was Re: I'm curious???) In-Reply-To: <8193551.1043253806836.JavaMail.t.takashina@computer.org> Message-ID: On Wednesday, January 22, 2003, at 11:43 AM, Tomomi TAKASHINA wrote: > Perhaps, NoteTaker > doesn't have resizing function. "Perhaps"? Actually, it does, along with voice recording, slide show mode, etc., etc. Bruce From dvorak at omnigroup.com Wed Jan 22 20:43:33 2003 From: dvorak at omnigroup.com (Brian C.) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:30:02 2005 Subject: OO/OG integration In-Reply-To: <571AC7D9-2E4B-11D7-A133-003065E2D7A0@mac.com> Message-ID: <361FC71E-2E8B-11D7-BAC0-000A2794C6CA@omnigroup.com> Erithacus- This falls into a bit of a grey area. You should probably send a feature request to asking for the ability to export to OmniOutliner's file format. That's a simpler file format, and thus more likely to be implemented in Graffle than building knowledge of the Graffle file format into Outliner. (In a nutshell: Text files are simpler to read/write than graphics files. Simpler file format means less code. Less code = A Good Thing.) Additionally, for this to really work well, there are some obvious features we'd have to add to Outliner. Clones, for instance, since Graffle diagrams may have cycles in them, and I'm sure there are others that we'll only discover when we start working on this. There's demand for feature you're requesting, but not as much as for some other features, and it's fairly complex to implement. By all means, we want to do it, but it's not on the list right now. By all means, though, have other Inspiration fans you know contact us if this is important to them. Sincerely, Brian C. Support Manager Omni Group On Tuesday, January 21, 2003, at 05:54 PM, Erithacus rubecula wrote: > Hi Brian, >> >>> Can you share with us what the most popular requests are? >> >> Image support >> Document/File attachments >> Customizable document headers/footers >> Palm support >> URL support >> Print Selected/Checked/Unchecked >> Hide (but don't destroy) Checked Items >> Print the Column Headers >> Auto-Save >> Hide drag handles/Disclosure triangles when printing. >> >> Out of the roughly 1000 bugs/feature requests we have written up, >> these >> are the folks that really stand out from the crowd. There's a ton more >> that have between one and a handful of requests attached to them. >> > I must say that this list surprises me. No I'm not trying to advocate > that my request goes above the sheer numbers of others. I'm just > expressing my surprise. Either because i) it's exactly as you say and > therefore it's just a plain simple surprise, or ii) it's a feature > that's slipped up because it might be considered as a feature request > of OmniGraffle. > > The feature that I can't see is forwards and backwards compatability, > updating or whatever you might call, the ability to go from OO to OG > and then back again seamlessly and as frequently as you want with all > changes reflected in both documents. Or even (to put the dual package > of OO and OG on an equal footing with Inspiration) the ability to go > from ideas in OG and then to automatically create and outline in OO > (instead of having to start with OO and then go to OG). This is > certainly a feature that I've requested along time ago. I'm surprised > (given the number of folks that like Inspiration) that this is not a > more popular request. Could it be that I've missed something here, or > could it be the way the feature requests are compiled means that it > wouldn't show up? Worst case scenario the feature wish list of OO and > the separate feature list of OG don't clock this request because they > think respectively that it's the domain of the other application. > > To you other OO users who might like this - if this is a feature that > you also wanted to be included I guess an email request (cut paste and > 'ditto') might raise the profile. If I'm truly one of the few that > wanted this inter-operability, then I guess it's another in the list > of things that I'm learning new every day :-) > > best, > > Robin > > _______________________________________________ > OmniOutliner-Users mailing list > OmniOutliner-Users@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnioutliner-users From dvorak at omnigroup.com Wed Jan 22 21:12:25 2003 From: dvorak at omnigroup.com (Brian C.) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:30:02 2005 Subject: Window scrolling not working in version 2.2 beta 1 (v51) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <823B974C-2E88-11D7-BAC0-000A2794C6CA@omnigroup.com> Bob- This falls in the category of "missing feature bordering on a bug". I've got it open in the database, and we plan to fix it; just hasn't bubbled up to the top of the list quite yet. Sorry for the inconvenience. Sincerely, Brian C. Support Manager Omni Group On Wednesday, January 22, 2003, at 06:36 AM, Bob Embry wrote: > However I still haven't succeeded in getting the window to scroll > during > drag selection in the gutter. Is this a bug, missing feature, or what? > > _______________________________________________ > OmniOutliner-Users mailing list > OmniOutliner-Users@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnioutliner-users From dvorak at omnigroup.com Wed Jan 22 22:16:57 2003 From: dvorak at omnigroup.com (Brian C.) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:30:02 2005 Subject: Clones In-Reply-To: Message-ID: We've got a feature request open on this, and we're planning to do it, but it's not clear exactly when tat will be. Probably not the answer you wanted to hear, but better than "we're never going to do it", right? ;-) Sincerely, Brian C. Support Manager Omni Group On Tuesday, January 21, 2003, at 09:45 AM, Gary Robinson wrote: > I've mentioned this before, but since there's no change in some time I > thought I'd mention it again: > > MORE had a GREAT feature called "Clones" whereby the same heading and > its > subheads could appear in different positions in an outline. Changing > one > clone changes the other. The great thing about it is that you can > follow > more than one hierarchy to get to the information you want. That makes > it > easier to find, particularly since some info just doesn't only apply > to one > position in the hierarchy. > > Best, > Gary > > > -- > http://ThisURLEnablesEmailToGetThroughOverzealousSpamFilters.org/ > > Gary Robinson > CEO > Transpose, LLC > grobinson@transpose.com > 207-942-3463 > http://www.transpose.com > http://radio.weblogs.com/0101454 > > > _______________________________________________ > OmniOutliner-Users mailing list > OmniOutliner-Users@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnioutliner-users From lrivers at realsoftware.com Wed Jan 22 23:41:18 2003 From: lrivers at realsoftware.com (Lorin Rivers) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:30:02 2005 Subject: Strategy Request from a Newby In-Reply-To: <1BF62EB0-29D6-11D7-AE3A-0003933F759C@eight13.com> Message-ID: On 1/16/03 10:42 PM, "Rod Holmes" wrote: > So, any other system suggestions? I can feel that Outliner is going to > be a considerable part of my "iLife" and I hope to get things set up > well from the start. I have a very large "to do" list which I try to keep manageable by assigning a double-digit priority to active, live to do's and leave "pie in the sky" or future tasks blank. I make these lists hierarchical and granular, focusing on real, discrete action items in the context of a larger project. Here's a snippet: Task Rank Owner CRM/Sales Direct Mail Enterprise Validation Post-download emails 7 RMB Upgrade Emails 200211 Support Announce 1 Fix "No Marketing" 0 1.0-3.5 1 Write email 1 2 Gather recipients (remove Disty countries) 3 Send Email 3.5 1 Write email 1 2 Gather recipients (remove Disty countries) 3 Send Email 4 1 Write email 1 2 Gather recipients (remove Disty countries) 3 Send Email Create method for tracking offers 2 I have an AppleScript which flattens the hierarchy, then I sort by rank: CRM/Sales: Upgrade Emails: 200211: Fix "No Marketing" 0 CRM/Sales: Upgrade Emails: 200211: Support Announce 1 CRM/Sales: Upgrade Emails: 200211: 1.0-3.5: 1 Write email 1 CRM/Sales: Upgrade Emails: 200211: 3.5: 1 Write email 1 CRM/Sales: Upgrade Emails: 200211: 4: 1 Write email 1 CRM/Sales: Upgrade Emails: Create method for tracking offers 2 CRM/Sales: Post-download emails 7 RMB Zeros are items that are important but don't have a rank assigned yet... This is what I do, but it only works if you use it... -- Lorin Rivers mailto:lrivers@realsoftware.com Vice President of Marketing 512.328.REAL (7325) x712 v REAL Software 512.328.7372 f 1705 South Capital of Texas Hwy. http://www.realsoftware.com Suite 310 REALbasic: the powerful, easy-to-use Austin, Texas 78746 tool for creating your own software for Macintosh, Mac OS X, and Windows. From dailygrind at thewonderllama.com Thu Jan 23 01:03:01 2003 From: dailygrind at thewonderllama.com (Brendan Sweeney) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:30:02 2005 Subject: Strategy Request from a Newby In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wednesday, January 22, 2003, at 08:19 PM, Lorin Rivers wrote: > Task Rank Owner > CRM/Sales > Direct Mail > Enterprise Validation > Post-download emails 7 RMB > Upgrade Emails > 200211 > Support Announce 1 > Fix "No Marketing" 0 > 1.0-3.5 > 1 Write email 1 > 2 Gather recipients (remove Disty countries) > 3 Send Email > 3.5 > 1 Write email 1 > 2 Gather recipients (remove Disty countries) > 3 Send Email > 4 > 1 Write email 1 > 2 Gather recipients (remove Disty countries) > 3 Send Email > Create method for tracking offers 2 So OO is used for spamming? I feel dirty somehow... ~BS http://www.thewonderllama.com From cfservices at foxpath.com Thu Jan 23 07:15:02 2003 From: cfservices at foxpath.com (Chick Foxgrover (wex)) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:30:02 2005 Subject: OO-OG:feature request (prev. I'm curious) In-Reply-To: <571AC7D9-2E4B-11D7-A133-003065E2D7A0@mac.com> References: <571AC7D9-2E4B-11D7-A133-003065E2D7A0@mac.com> Message-ID: I put this on my feature requests long ago. I'm a long time Inspiration user and have been dismayed that the program has so clearly failed with the business market that they barely acknowledge that anyone outside of education uses it. I find as a Web producer and part-time information architect that it is hard to get just those features that would make my job a bit easier. Visio and Concept Draw are so complex and Inspiration has some real flaws, the Omni products seem to be the ideal products from which to develop a really terrific tool. Certainly "round-tripping" between OO and OG would be of real value to me. >To you other OO users who might like this - if this is a feature >that you also wanted to be included I guess an email request (cut >paste and 'ditto') might raise the profile. If I'm truly one of the >few that wanted this inter-operability, then I guess it's another in >the list of things that I'm learning new every day :-) From grobinson at transpose.com Thu Jan 23 07:57:03 2003 From: grobinson at transpose.com (Gary Robinson) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:30:02 2005 Subject: Clones In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > We've got a feature request open on this, and we're planning to do it, > but it's not clear exactly when tat will be. Probably not the answer > you wanted to hear, but better than "we're never going to do it", > right? ;-) True. But I would like to state for the record that for people like me who really use OO for knowledge storage & retrieval as well as brainstorming, there is no missing feature that will return NEARLY as much useful benefit. --Gary -- [http://ThisURLEnablesEmailToGetThroughOverzealousSpamFilters.org] Gary Robinson CEO Transpose, LLC grobinson@transpose.com 207-942-3463 http://www.transpose.com http://radio.weblogs.com/0101454 From lrivers at realsoftware.com Thu Jan 23 12:45:31 2003 From: lrivers at realsoftware.com (Lorin Rivers) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:30:02 2005 Subject: Strategy Request from a Newby In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 1/23/03 2:57 AM, "Brendan Sweeney" wrote: > > So OO is used for spamming? I feel dirty somehow... > > ~BS > http://www.thewonderllama.com > > Is it spam when you get an email telling you a product you use has been updated? Or possibly you work for free, and pay no rent, or need to buy food and what not, I don't know. -- Lorin Rivers mailto:lrivers@realsoftware.com Vice President of Marketing 512.328.REAL (7325) x712 v REAL Software 512.328.7372 f 1705 South Capital of Texas Hwy. http://www.realsoftware.com Suite 310 REALbasic: the powerful, easy-to-use Austin, Texas 78746 tool for creating your own software for Macintosh, Mac OS X, and Windows. From jsp at designframe.com Thu Jan 23 14:28:42 2003 From: jsp at designframe.com (James Spahr) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:30:02 2005 Subject: filter control In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1CE85D76-2F21-11D7-A85A-000393CE1C1E@designframe.com> I assume that this didn't make it into the recent beta release? :( > > On Friday, January 10, 2003, at 04:46 PM, Greg Titus wrote: > >> This feature is already implemented internally and will be in the >> next release of OmniOutliner. It's a filter control in the toolbar >> exactly the same as in Mail, allowing you to filter on the contents >> of a single column or on all of them at once. >> > > Splendid! One step ahead of us as usual! James. From dvorak at omnigroup.com Thu Jan 23 16:27:01 2003 From: dvorak at omnigroup.com (Brian C.) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:30:02 2005 Subject: filter control In-Reply-To: <1CE85D76-2F21-11D7-A85A-000393CE1C1E@designframe.com> Message-ID: <7391BF8F-2F32-11D7-BAC0-000A2794C6CA@omnigroup.com> At this point, we're thinking that we'll probably hold this feature until the 3.0 release - it's right in the middle of a whole bunch of other code that was in flux at the time. Just want to give it a good shakedown before we send it out into the cruel, harsh world to fend for itself. =) Sincerely, Brian C. Support Manager Omni Group On Thursday, January 23, 2003, at 02:22 PM, James Spahr wrote: > > I assume that this didn't make it into the recent beta release? :( > >> >> On Friday, January 10, 2003, at 04:46 PM, Greg Titus wrote: >> >>> This feature is already implemented internally and will be in the >>> next release of OmniOutliner. It's a filter control in the toolbar >>> exactly the same as in Mail, allowing you to filter on the contents >>> of a single column or on all of them at once. >>> >> >> Splendid! One step ahead of us as usual! > > James. > > _______________________________________________ > OmniOutliner-Users mailing list > OmniOutliner-Users@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnioutliner-users From dailygrind at thewonderllama.com Thu Jan 23 18:41:01 2003 From: dailygrind at thewonderllama.com (Brendan Sweeney) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:30:02 2005 Subject: Strategy Request from a Newby In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thursday, January 23, 2003, at 12:30 PM, Lorin Rivers wrote: > > Is it spam when you get an email telling you a product you use has been > updated? Or possibly you work for free, and pay no rent, or need to > buy food > and what not, I don't know. No, that's fine. If it's an op-in list then I apologize. Just looked like someone culling a spam list. Sorry for the OT response too. ~BS http://www.thewonderllama.com From jeff at electroponics.com Sat Jan 25 11:54:01 2003 From: jeff at electroponics.com (Jeffrey Wiegand) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:30:02 2005 Subject: Applescript - diary Message-ID: Since upgrading to the newest version of OmniOutliner, the To Do / Done Scripts are not working properly. I am getting an error of "diary" not defined. Here's the pertinent snippet from the supplied Applescript: set newRow to make new row at end of rows of diary I'm also trying to make a script that will move things from the clipboard unto the To Do List just like it does with the Done List: Date -> Child entries. None of it is working now, and I fear I messed it up with the new version of Applescript. Can anyone help shed some light on this for me? Thanks, JW 0101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010 Jeff Wiegand | Head Cook | electroponics, inc. jeff@electroponics.com | Blog: http://www.unsubscibe.com/ Mobile: 314.757.3769 | SMS: electroponics@voicestream.net 0101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010 From reg at inquit.com Wed Jan 29 19:51:20 2003 From: reg at inquit.com (Peter Gallagher) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:30:02 2005 Subject: 2.2beta export to Omnigraffle Message-ID: I have found that when I open an outline created by the current version of OO (2.2 v.51) in Omnigraffle, it produces a graph with the correct STRUCTURE but with all the text boxes filled with the same text: "NEW TOPIC". OG seems to open outlines created by the older versions of OO with no problem. Have I missed something? Is this a common experience? If so, I'd be grateful if Omni would restore the earlier functionality. Thanks Peter From dvorak at omnigroup.com Thu Jan 30 01:15:01 2003 From: dvorak at omnigroup.com (Brian C.) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:30:02 2005 Subject: 2.2beta export to Omnigraffle In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <2A6519A3-3433-11D7-8071-003065B22C50@omnigroup.com> Peter - The file format changed in the beta release of OmniOutliner 2.2; OmniGraffle is going to need an update before it'll understand the new file format. If you need to export files to OmniGraffle, you probably want to stick to the last final release. That's part of the reason we warn you when you open a document created in an earlier format. If you have any other questions or suggestions, please don't hesitate to contact me. When replying, please include the quoted text of this message. We really appreciate your help! Sincerely, Brian C. Support Manager Omni Group On Wednesday, January 29, 2003, at 07:21 PM, Peter Gallagher wrote: > I have found that when I open an outline created by the current > version of OO (2.2 v.51) in Omnigraffle, it produces a graph with the > correct STRUCTURE but with all the text boxes filled with the same > text: "NEW TOPIC". > > OG seems to open outlines created by the older versions of OO with no > problem. > > Have I missed something? Is this a common experience? If so, I'd be > grateful if Omni would restore the earlier functionality. > > Thanks > > Peter > > _______________________________________________ > OmniOutliner-Users mailing list > OmniOutliner-Users@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnioutliner-users From omnimail at jitjat.com Fri Jan 31 17:00:42 2003 From: omnimail at jitjat.com (Gregory Ramsperger) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:30:02 2005 Subject: A couple of AppleScripts... Message-ID: <8B6F8B5F-357F-11D7-8EA2-0030656B08F4@jitjat.com> Hello- I am new to the list but noticed, when I was searching the archive, that somebody had asked for any useful scripts. I have two that I think someone may find useful. I have posted them at http://www.jitjat.com/OmniOutlinerScripts.sit with an example file included. The first script simply opens one of your OmniOutliner script folders (allowing you to choose which if you have more than one). The second sums a column of numbers and places the total at the end. The trick to it is that it only includes items that are checked. The archive I mentioned above includes a sample file for you to run this one against. -Gregory Here is the text for the "Open Scripts Folder" (you may want to use the one in the SIT file may be a better bet since it won't be wrapped): tell application "Finder" activate set dirList to {} set userPath to (home as text) & "Library:Application Support:OmniOutliner:Scripts:" try folder userPath set the end of dirList to "User" end try set localPath to (startup disk as text) & "Library:Application Support:OmniOutliner:Scripts:" try folder localPath set the end of dirList to "Local" end try set networkPath to (startup disk as text) & "Network:Library:Application Support:OmniOutliner:Scripts:" try folder networkPath set the end of dirList to "Network" end try set chosen to "" if (count of dirList) is 0 then display dialog "No Scripts folders exist." buttons {"OK"} default button 1 else if (count of dirList) is 1 then set chosen to item 1 of dirList else set chosen to choose from list dirList with prompt "Which scripts folder would you like to open?" if chosen is false then return "user canceled" end if if chosen as text is "User" then open folder userPath else if chosen as text is "Local" then open folder localPath else if chosen as text is "Network" then open folder networkPath end if end tell And here is the text of the totals script: property totalColIndex : 3 property subTotalColor : {32767, 32767, 32767} tell application "OmniOutliner" activate global theDoc set theDoc to document of window 1 set colTitlesList to {} repeat with col in every column of theDoc set the end of colTitlesList to the title of col end repeat set displayedTitlesList to {} -- make a list of all number-valued columns based on the first row -- since the first cell is the notes cell, start at 2 repeat with i from 2 to count of colTitlesList try -- use addition to test that the value of the column is a number set temp to (text of cell i of the first child of theDoc) + 1 -- if there was not an error making the cell text into a number -- add it to the list to display. -- Note: empty cells recieve a 0 value and show up as numbers. set the end of displayedTitlesList to item i of colTitlesList end try end repeat -- prompt the user for the column to total. If there is just one, verify if (count of displayedTitlesList) is greater than 1 then set choice to choose from list displayedTitlesList with prompt "Select the column to total" if choice is false then return "user canceled" else set choice to item 1 of displayedTitlesList set temp to display dialog "Total column: " & choice buttons {"Cancel", "Total"} default button 2 if button returned of temp is "Cancel" then return "user canceled" end if -- get the index of the selected column set i to 0 repeat with i from 1 to count of colTitlesList if (item i of colTitlesList) as text is (choice as text) then set totalColIndex to i exit repeat end if end repeat try -- sum the items set theTotal to my sumChildren(theDoc) --if it does not exist, create a "Totals" row if text of cell 2 of last row of theDoc is not "Totals" then make new row at end of rows of theDoc set totalRow to the last row of theDoc set the state of totalRow to none set the text of cell 2 of totalRow to "Totals" bold the text of cell 2 of totalRow end if -- set the value of the total at the bottom of the column totaled set the text of cell totalColIndex of the last row of theDoc to (theTotal as text) bold the text of cell totalColIndex of the last row of theDoc italicize the text of cell totalColIndex of the last row of theDoc on error my alert("Unable to total column: " & (item totalColIndex of colTitlesList)) end try end tell (* Get the sum of all items that are children of the given element. This only adds items which have a "checked" state. *) on sumChildren(theElement) local theSum local theChildren local theChild local thisValue tell application "OmniOutliner" set theSum to 0 set theChildren to every child of theElement repeat with theChild in theChildren -- don't count children that are not checked if (the state of theChild) is in {indeterminate, checked} then -- if the element has children, sum them and set the value of in the col if (count of every child of theChild) is greater than 0 then set thisValue to my sumChildren(theChild) set the text of cell totalColIndex of theChild to "" & thisValue italicize the text of cell totalColIndex of theChild bold the text of cell totalColIndex of theChild set color of the text of cell totalColIndex of theChild to subTotalColor set theSum to theSum + thisValue else set theSum to theSum + (the text of cell totalColIndex of theChild) end if end if end repeat return theSum end tell end sumChildren on alert(str) tell application "OmniOutliner" display dialog str buttons {"OK"} default button 1 end tell end alert From lists at mostrom.pp.se Sun Feb 2 12:42:01 2003 From: lists at mostrom.pp.se (Jan Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?Mostr=F6m?=) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:30:02 2005 Subject: Outliner 2.2 beta 1 is out In-Reply-To: <7FE88451-2E4E-11D7-91EA-000A2794C6CA@omnigroup.com> Message-ID: 2003-01-22 13:14: Brian C. is believed to have typed: > As some of you have noticed, the first beta release of OmniOutliner > v2.2 is out. Is it just me or has the version a slowdown when typing notes when a document has more that a few rows. I'm currently working on a small document with 60 rows and when I type text in the notes field there is an delay before the characters appears (I'm between 1-10 characters before the computer) but if create a new document the characters appears in the same instant that I press the key. jem -- Jan Erik Mostr?m jem@mostrom.pp.se www.mostrom.pp.se From angus at pobox.com Mon Feb 3 07:38:02 2003 From: angus at pobox.com (Angus McIntyre) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:30:02 2005 Subject: Outliner 2.2 beta 1 is out In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 21:41 +0100 02.02.2003, Jan Erik Mostr?m wrote: >2003-01-22 13:14: Brian C. is believed to have >typed: > >> As some of you have noticed, the first beta release of OmniOutliner >> v2.2 is out. > >Is it just me or has the version a slowdown when typing notes when a >document has more that a few rows. I find that OO grows sluggish as the row count increases as well. Back in November, Brian C mentioned that they'd made some changes which - because of the Cocoa classes they used - could result in slower performance, and said that this would be addressed in future. Perhaps this hasn't been done yet? Angus -- angus@pobox.com http://pobox.com/~angus From dvorak at omnigroup.com Mon Feb 3 16:28:02 2003 From: dvorak at omnigroup.com (Brian C.) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:30:02 2005 Subject: Outliner 2.2 beta 1 is out In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <6D2B1DCC-37D7-11D7-8071-003065B22C50@omnigroup.com> These are two different bugs - one (the note pane problem) is a regression of a bug we fixed back in 2.1.1; it should be fixed again in the next beta. The row count bug appeared in 2.1.1 and *should* be fixed in 2.2 beta 1; if you're seeing problems in 2.2 beta 1 that don't exist in 2.1.0, send them my way with test documents/timing information/instructions, etc. and we'll stomp it. Sincerely, Brian C. Support Manager Omni Group On Sunday, February 2, 2003, at 01:26 PM, Angus McIntyre wrote: > At 21:41 +0100 02.02.2003, Jan Erik Mostr?m wrote: >> 2003-01-22 13:14: Brian C. is believed to have >> typed: >> >>> As some of you have noticed, the first beta release of OmniOutliner >>> v2.2 is out. >> >> Is it just me or has the version a slowdown when typing notes when a >> document has more that a few rows. > > I find that OO grows sluggish as the row count increases as well. Back > in November, Brian C mentioned that they'd made some changes which - > because of the Cocoa classes they used - could result in slower > performance, and said that this would be addressed in future. Perhaps > this hasn't been done yet? > > Angus > -- > angus@pobox.com http://pobox.com/~angus > _______________________________________________ > OmniOutliner-Users mailing list > OmniOutliner-Users@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnioutliner-users From hess2 at yacht.com Tue Feb 4 04:44:00 2003 From: hess2 at yacht.com (Paul List Hess) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:30:02 2005 Subject: Export Suggestion In-Reply-To: <6D2B1DCC-37D7-11D7-8071-003065B22C50@omnigroup.com> References: <6D2B1DCC-37D7-11D7-8071-003065B22C50@omnigroup.com> Message-ID: Suggestion: It would be nice to be able to export only a part of an outline. This could be whatever you have selected when you click "export", or maybe whatever is currently focused on with the "Hoist" command. Great product, keep up the good work!!! From pete.boardman at pobox.com Fri Feb 7 06:32:19 2003 From: pete.boardman at pobox.com (peter boardman) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:30:02 2005 Subject: NovaMind Message-ID: I discovered an interesting app called NovaMind, which can import OmniOutliner files and make mindmaps for them. It's very different from OmniGraffle... Pete From bdarcus at fastmail.fm Fri Feb 7 13:47:01 2003 From: bdarcus at fastmail.fm (Bruce D'Arcus) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:30:02 2005 Subject: ActiveRenderer and OO In-Reply-To: <480E21FA-2E18-11D7-8351-0050E4258255@fastmail.fm> Message-ID: <837F8275-3AE5-11D7-A2E7-0030657A7050@fastmail.fm> I posted this awhile back. Since then, the author of ActiveRenderer has sent me the files necessary to convert and render the OPML outlines to HTML. Is someone with Applescripting skills interested in helping out here? What I envision is a "render to web" button on the OO toolbar that would save the current file as OPML, then run an XSL transformation on it using this scripting addition: http://www.latenightsw.com/freeware/XSLTTools/ Ideally, it would then automatically upload to via curl (though I suppose that could be done via a folder script?). Bruce On Wednesday, January 22, 2003, at 09:46 AM, Bruce D'Arcus wrote: > Has anyone by chance tried to get OO to work with ActiveRenderer? > > http://radio.weblogs.com/0104487/outlines/aR/activeRenderer.html > > This is very cool. The relevant part (though you should look at the > page yourself to see how an outliner can be represented on the web) > is: > >> activeRenderer upstreams outlines stored as OPML files to your Radio >> public site. >> >> Along the way, it translates the OPML to HTML, so that the published >> version may be read in regular Web browsers. >> >> The HTML pages rendered by activeRenderer rely on CSS styling and a >> little Javascript to make the collapse/expand feature common to >> outliners available directly in the Web browser. > > It'd be cool if this could be hacked (maybe with Applescript) to > provide the same functionality with OO. Alas, I don't know how to do > this! > > Bruce > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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It's very different from OmniGraffle... > > > >Pete >_______________________________________________ >OmniOutliner-Users mailing list >OmniOutliner-Users@omnigroup.com >http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnioutliner-users From jonathan.greene at eurorscg.com Sun Feb 9 06:51:02 2003 From: jonathan.greene at eurorscg.com (Jonathan Greene) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:30:02 2005 Subject: NovaMind In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Same here... it could not recognize the file format. On Sunday, February 9, 2003, at 09:46 AM, Paul List Hess wrote: > I downloaded the demo but it doesn't seem to import any of my > OmniOutliner files. > > Nova version 1.4.1g > OmniOutliner version 2.2b1 (51) From rtebiz at earthlink.net Sun Feb 9 12:26:01 2003 From: rtebiz at earthlink.net (Bob Embry) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:30:02 2005 Subject: NovaMind In-Reply-To: <200302092001.h19K12L25973@slowbro.omnigroup.com> Message-ID: Try NovaMind with version 2.1 of OO Bob From anggreani at imap.cc Mon Feb 10 19:34:01 2003 From: anggreani at imap.cc (Phebe Anggreani) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:30:02 2005 Subject: export using applescript Message-ID: Hi, is there a way to export using applescript? I can't find the 'export command'. Or should I just use the 'save as' command? I have some notes that I update frequently. I need to export them to htmls, modify a bit using BBedit, then upload them to ftp and send notifications to my friends. I already wrote a script to modify -- create emails, and am able to put the script on OO toolbar and run the script from there. But it'd be nicer if there's a command to export notes to html (and overwrite the old ones) so I can simplify these steps into 1 step only. Many thanks in advance, Phebe From greg at omnigroup.com Mon Feb 10 20:37:03 2003 From: greg at omnigroup.com (Greg Titus) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:30:02 2005 Subject: export using applescript In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <61B004D8-3D7A-11D7-9570-0003938E4E32@omnigroup.com> On Monday, February 10, 2003, at 07:33 PM, Phebe Anggreani wrote: > > I have some notes that I update frequently. I need to export them to > htmls, modify a bit using BBedit, then upload them to ftp and send > notifications to my friends. I already wrote a script to modify -- > create emails, and am able to put the script on OO toolbar and run the > script from there. But it'd be nicer if there's a command to export > notes to html (and overwrite the old ones) so I can simplify these > steps into 1 step only. You can just use the save command with the "as" property: save first document in "/Users/anggreani/Documents/whatever.html" as "html" Hope this helps, - Greg From anggreani at imap.cc Mon Feb 10 21:08:04 2003 From: anggreani at imap.cc (Phebe Anggreani) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:30:02 2005 Subject: export using applescript (You're a maestro!) In-Reply-To: <61B004D8-3D7A-11D7-9570-0003938E4E32@omnigroup.com> Message-ID: Hi Greg, thanks! The path is the culprit. I tried using save as but I shortened the user path to "~/" and it wouldn't work. Now I can do all those tasks using only one click! Thanks again, Phebe On Monday, February 10, 2003, at 10:36 pm, Greg Titus wrote: > > On Monday, February 10, 2003, at 07:33 PM, Phebe Anggreani wrote: > >> >> I have some notes that I update frequently. I need to export them to >> htmls, modify a bit using BBedit, then upload them to ftp and send >> notifications to my friends. I already wrote a script to modify -- >> create emails, and am able to put the script on OO toolbar and run >> the script from there. But it'd be nicer if there's a command to >> export notes to html (and overwrite the old ones) so I can simplify >> these steps into 1 step only. > > You can just use the save command with the "as" property: > > save first document in "/Users/anggreani/Documents/whatever.html" as > "html" > > Hope this helps, > - Greg > > From mailinglists at bjoernknafla.de Mon Feb 10 23:48:01 2003 From: mailinglists at bjoernknafla.de (Bjoern Knafla) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:30:02 2005 Subject: OmniOutliner export to the iPod? Message-ID: <582E5E8E-3D95-11D7-A340-000393AF7F82@bjoernknafla.de> Hi, I have recently bought the OmniProductivity bundle and I am using OmniOutliner more and more as my primary work organization and tool and to scribble down ideas and todo lists. While I am not owning an iPod I think that it would be very useful if iPod owners could "download" an OmniOutliner document to their iPod. Such a document should be just viewable and single points should be markable/checkable... Many greetings, Bjoern Knafla From dailygrind at thewonderllama.com Tue Feb 11 01:04:02 2003 From: dailygrind at thewonderllama.com (Brendan Sweeney) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:30:02 2005 Subject: OmniOutliner export to the iPod? In-Reply-To: <582E5E8E-3D95-11D7-A340-000393AF7F82@bjoernknafla.de> Message-ID: That would be pretty sweet. ~BS On Monday, February 10, 2003, at 11:49 PM, Bjoern Knafla wrote: > Hi, > > I have recently bought the OmniProductivity bundle and I am using > OmniOutliner more and more as my primary work organization and tool > and to scribble down ideas and todo lists. > > While I am not owning an iPod I think that it would be very useful if > iPod owners could "download" an OmniOutliner document to their iPod. > Such a document should be just viewable and single points should be > markable/checkable... > > Many greetings, > > Bjoern Knafla > > _______________________________________________ > OmniOutliner-Users mailing list > OmniOutliner-Users@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnioutliner-users > http://www.thewonderllama.com From quentin at pobox.com Tue Feb 11 03:23:00 2003 From: quentin at pobox.com (Quentin Stafford-Fraser) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:30:02 2005 Subject: OmniOutliner export to the iPod? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1A985D58-3DB3-11D7-9BD3-00039312E404@pobox.com> On Tuesday, February 11, 2003, at 09:03 AM, Brendan Sweeney wrote: > That would be pretty sweet. > ~BS > Ah yes, I've been wanting to do something like this for some time. Nearly a year ago I wrote in my blog: "Should be easy. In fact, if somebody gives me an iPod, I'll implement it..." ( http://www.statusq.org/2002/04/02.html ) Somebody has since given me an iPod, but I haven't done it yet :-) There are some utilities which allow you to read arbitrary text files on an iPod by converting them into very long fields in 'contacts' entries, but I was distressed to discover that the iPod was horribly slow to scroll through them. An outline, which used multiple entries instead of one very big one, should be much more manageable. Quentin ---- Dr Quentin Stafford-Fraser http://www.qandr.org/quentin From bdarcus at fastmail.fm Tue Feb 11 16:10:01 2003 From: bdarcus at fastmail.fm (Bruce D'Arcus) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:30:02 2005 Subject: export using applescript In-Reply-To: <61B004D8-3D7A-11D7-9570-0003938E4E32@omnigroup.com> Message-ID: On Monday, February 10, 2003, at 11:36 PM, Greg Titus wrote: > On Monday, February 10, 2003, at 07:33 PM, Phebe Anggreani wrote: >> I have some notes that I update frequently. I need to export them to >> htmls, modify a bit using BBedit, then upload them to ftp and send >> notifications to my friends. I already wrote a script to modify -- >> create emails, and am able to put the script on OO toolbar and run >> the script from there. But it'd be nicer if there's a command to >> export notes to html (and overwrite the old ones) so I can simplify >> these steps into 1 step only. > > You can just use the save command with the "as" property: > > save first document in "/Users/anggreani/Documents/whatever.html" as > "html" And how would I do something similar, but tell it to use the file name of "first document," but with the html extension instead? Here's what I really want to do: i want to write lectures in OO, and to have two buttons on my toolbar: one that saves to OPML (though preferably without notes) and then transforms that to HTML via XSLT, and another that saves the file to Keynote format and opens it in Keynote. Bruce From bdarcus at fastmail.fm Tue Feb 11 16:43:01 2003 From: bdarcus at fastmail.fm (Bruce D'Arcus) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:30:02 2005 Subject: also, titles for opml export Message-ID: <9EA3A086-3E23-11D7-9A97-0050E4258255@fastmail.fm> I figured out the HTML transformation for OPML, but discovered that when OO exports the title it includes the "ooutline" extension. Please fix this. If I title a document "The Title" and it gets an OPML extension, that later gets changed to HTML, I should just get "The Title" in the browser window, not "The Title.ooutline." Moreover, I would tend to say that, if possible, the title ought to be the title of the OPML file I save to, rather than the original .ooutline file. Bruce From redington at mac.com Wed Feb 12 05:33:01 2003 From: redington at mac.com (K. Redington) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:30:02 2005 Subject: Windows equiv to OO? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <97EE7704-3E8E-11D7-A5EA-00306599F422@mac.com> I wanted to know if anyone uses a outliner only app on the Windows platform that even comes near OO functionality. I'm slowly trying to find my favorite productivity app equivalents on Windows. I have bought a Windows laptop (the engineering industry doesn't use many Macs) and I have to leave both my Wife and Mac behind while I job hunt in Minnesota. I'm trying to get as comfortable on my HP as possible. I appreciate any help, please post off list to keep our list from straying much. Kevin Redington From tyser.robi at uwlax.edu Wed Feb 12 06:45:00 2003 From: tyser.robi at uwlax.edu (Rob Tyser) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:30:02 2005 Subject: Mucked up .plist files Message-ID: After installing Omnioutliner, the "Kind" description for virtually all of my .plist files is listed as "OOPlaylistDocumentType." Thus, double-clicking on any of these files will open them up in Omnioutliner!! I believe the default "kind" should be listed as "Document" with no associated application. This has happened on 2 computers. It doesn't seem to cause any problems, and if I delete Omnioutliner, the "kind" is listed as "Document." But this problem reappears as soon as I reinstall OO. Can anyone explain this weird behavior and how to correct it? Thanks --------- Rob Tyser Professor of Biology University of Wisconsin - La Crosse 1725 State Street La Crosse, WI 54601 UWL phone: 608-785-6992 UMESC phone: 608-783-7550, ex 50 From bdarcus at fastmail.fm Wed Feb 12 09:46:35 2003 From: bdarcus at fastmail.fm (Bruce D'Arcus) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:30:02 2005 Subject: export using applescript Message-ID: <898D4234-3EB2-11D7-A4DC-0050E4258255@fastmail.fm> With some help from Phebe, here's what I came up with, but I am getting this error from OO: File /Users/bdarcus/XSLT/opml2web/infiles/website.opml wasn't found. The thing is, the file does get created as I expect, with just the above path. What am I doing wrong? Also, I get a feeling this should be cleaner. Should I be defining an htmlName and inExt and outExt for use the XSLT? Bruce tell application "OmniOutliner" set docName to the name of first document set theDelim to AppleScript's text item delimiters set AppleScript's text item delimiters to "." set theName to text item 1 of docName set theExt to "opml" set opmlName to theName & "." & theExt save first document in "/Users/bdarcus/XSLT/opml2web/infiles/" & opmlName as "opml" end tell set outFile to transform XML file ("/Users/bdarcus/XSLT/opml2web/infiles/" & opmlName) ? using file ("/Users/bdarcus/XSLT/opml2web/outliner.xsl") ? saving as file ("/Users/bdarcus/XSLT/opml2web/outfiles/" & theName & "." & "html") tell application "Finder" to open outFile -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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It's pretty common on OS X for this to happen with files that don't "officially" have an application associated with them, but it's not really a big deal. It doesn't affect the functionality of .plist files at all. .plist files generally have a default "Open with" application of Property List Editor, but PLE is only installed with the Developer Tools. If it really bothers you, Get Info on one of them, expand the "Open with" panel, and assign it to whatever app you *want* the file to open with. Then click the Change All... button. ------------------------------------- Mac OS X Power Tools - April, '03: ------------------------------------- From bertisonline at mac.com Wed Feb 12 13:31:03 2003 From: bertisonline at mac.com (bertisonline@mac.com) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:30:02 2005 Subject: Windows equiv to OO? In-Reply-To: <200302122001.h1CK1JL28597@slowbro.omnigroup.com> Message-ID: <3E422280-3ED1-11D7-91C6-000393CE0490@mac.com> You should try the Windows version of Userland Radio. You generate or open .opml file with this outliner as you can do it with OO. I do generate .opml files with OO just to drop them in a Radio directory to generate web sites and it works quite well (use activeRender, the Radio plug in to generate on the fly active outlined html pages). Bertrand. On mercredi, f?v 12, 2003, at 21:01 Europe/Paris, omnioutliner-users-request@omnigroup.com wrote: > I wanted to know if anyone uses a outliner only app on the Windows > platform that even comes near OO functionality. I'm slowly trying to > find my favorite productivity app equivalents on Windows. I have bought > a Windows laptop (the engineering industry doesn't use many Macs) and I > have to leave both my Wife and Mac behind while I job hunt in > Minnesota. I'm trying to get as comfortable on my HP as possible. I > appreciate any help, please post off list to keep our list from > straying much. > > Kevin Redington From jerrytommygal at yahoo.co.uk Fri Feb 14 06:36:12 2003 From: jerrytommygal at yahoo.co.uk (=?iso-8859-1?q?Jerry=20Tom?=) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:30:02 2005 Subject: Importing stationary Message-ID: <20030214143415.19874.qmail@web13608.mail.yahoo.com> Hi, I just found out about this wonderful tool and bought it immediately. It is the perfect solution to some of those 'I wish I could...' pending issues I had and look forward to exploring it fully. Quick question, how do you import existing stationary? I've tried opening this Scheduling Statonary (http://www.loudthinking.com/lt-files/Schedule%20Stationary.ooutline) and just see a list of XML tags. All suggestions welcome, Cheerio, Hellene __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com From sdiering at columbus.rr.com Fri Feb 14 06:47:02 2003 From: sdiering at columbus.rr.com (Steven Dieringer) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:30:02 2005 Subject: Importing stationary In-Reply-To: <20030214143415.19874.qmail@web13608.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <23F9316E-402B-11D7-86FA-0003938ACCEE@columbus.rr.com> Make sure the file has a suffix of .ooutline. Then OO should open it correctly. I just tried it and it opens OK. Steve On Friday, February 14, 2003, at 09:34 AM, Jerry Tom wrote: > Hi, > I just found out about this wonderful tool and bought > it immediately. It is the perfect solution to some of > those 'I wish I could...' pending issues I had and > look forward to exploring it fully. > Quick question, how do you import existing stationary? > I've tried opening this Scheduling Statonary > (http://www.loudthinking.com/lt-files/Schedule%20Stationary.ooutline) > and just see a list of XML tags. > All suggestions welcome, > Cheerio, > Hellene > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Everything you'll ever need on one web page > from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts > http://uk.my.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > OmniOutliner-Users mailing list > OmniOutliner-Users@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnioutliner-users > From jerrytommygal at yahoo.co.uk Fri Feb 14 07:34:01 2003 From: jerrytommygal at yahoo.co.uk (=?iso-8859-1?q?Jerry=20Tom?=) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:30:02 2005 Subject: Importing stationary In-Reply-To: <23F9316E-402B-11D7-86FA-0003938ACCEE@columbus.rr.com> Message-ID: <20030214153348.64397.qmail@web13604.mail.yahoo.com> That worked - the extension was txt and I just changed it. Thank you! --- Steven Dieringer wrote: > Make sure the file has a suffix of .ooutline. Then > OO should open it > correctly. I just tried it and it opens OK. > > Steve __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com From sandilands at mac.com Sat Feb 15 21:57:01 2003 From: sandilands at mac.com (Richard Sandilands) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:30:02 2005 Subject: Palm and OmniOutliner.. Message-ID: <6673D037-4173-11D7-A180-000A9566B434@mac.com> I'm wondering if there is anyway to sync my OmniOutliner outlines to my Palm, either via OPML or someother method. I would love to be able to work from my palm to my mac with outline files. I'm demoing Arranger on the Palm at the moment which seems great - but I hate the idea of having different versions of outlines on the two systems. Any clues would be appreciated. Richard Sandilands ------------------------------------------------ www.richardsandilands.com ------------------------------------------------ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/enriched Size: 570 bytes Desc: not available Url : /mailman/archive/omnioutliner-users/attachments/20030215/2262da71/attachment.bin From bdarcus at fastmail.fm Sun Feb 16 05:51:01 2003 From: bdarcus at fastmail.fm (Bruce D'Arcus) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:30:02 2005 Subject: Palm and OmniOutliner.. In-Reply-To: <6673D037-4173-11D7-A180-000A9566B434@mac.com> Message-ID: <7504EDFF-41B6-11D7-95C2-0050E4258255@fastmail.fm> On Sunday, February 16, 2003, at 12:56 AM, Richard Sandilands wrote: > I'm wondering if there is anyway to sync my OmniOutliner outlines to > my Palm, either via OPML or someother method. > > I would love to be able to work from my palm to my mac with outline > files. I'm demoing Arranger on the Palm at the moment which seems > great - but I hate the idea of having different versions of outlines > on the two systems. I think you'd want to use OPML. Does Arranger support it? If yes, I might be interested too! Bruce From bdarcus at fastmail.fm Sun Feb 16 06:10:01 2003 From: bdarcus at fastmail.fm (Bruce D'Arcus) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:30:02 2005 Subject: Palm and OmniOutliner.. In-Reply-To: <7504EDFF-41B6-11D7-95C2-0050E4258255@fastmail.fm> Message-ID: <2495DF50-41B9-11D7-95C2-0050E4258255@fastmail.fm> I don't know how iSync works, but would it be possible to have an OPML module of sorts for it? Bruce From lists at mostrom.pp.se Sun Feb 16 07:41:01 2003 From: lists at mostrom.pp.se (Jan Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?Mostr=F6m?=) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:30:02 2005 Subject: Palm and OmniOutliner.. In-Reply-To: <2495DF50-41B9-11D7-95C2-0050E4258255@fastmail.fm> Message-ID: > I would love to be able to work from my palm to my mac with > outline files. I'm demoing Arranger on the Palm at the moment > which seems great - but I hate the idea of having different > versions of outlines on the two systems. Perhaps a future solution (desktop in alpha right now) is ShadowPlan? jem -- Jan Erik Mostr?m jem@mostrom.pp.se www.mostrom.pp.se From bdarcus at fastmail.fm Sun Feb 16 07:51:01 2003 From: bdarcus at fastmail.fm (Bruce D'Arcus) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:30:02 2005 Subject: Palm and OmniOutliner.. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <2E9E85EC-41C7-11D7-95C2-0050E4258255@fastmail.fm> On Sunday, February 16, 2003, at 10:40 AM, Jan Erik Mostr?m wrote: > Perhaps a future solution (desktop in alpha right now) is ShadowPlan? I've got a Palm, though I've not looked into much in the way of third-party apps yet, but doesn't that mean syncing would be tied to that single app? If yes, that's not much of a solution for OO users. With OS X and iSync, shouldn't it be possible to have any OPML capable app sync with the Palm outliner? This will be all-the-more important as other OS X apps support OPML (NetNewWire, NoteTaker, etc.). Bruce From angus at pobox.com Sun Feb 16 08:20:00 2003 From: angus at pobox.com (Angus McIntyre) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:30:02 2005 Subject: Palm and OmniOutliner.. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 16:40 +0100 16.02.2003, Jan Erik Mostr?m wrote: >> I would love to be able to work from my palm to my mac with >> outline files. I'm demoing Arranger on the Palm ... > >Perhaps a future solution (desktop in alpha right now) is ShadowPlan? Another future solution would be BrainForest. I say 'future solution' because BrainForest, which was formerly made by Aportis, has now been passed to UltraSoft - see: http://www.ultrasoft.com/BrainForest/ and neither a demo nor a full application seem to be available currently. They promise a new version 'soon', which in computer-speak can mean anything from 'next week' to 'shortly after the heat death of the Universe'. I use BrainForest, and consider it fairly capable and easy to use. James Spahr has written an OmniOutliner to BrainForest conversion script, which you can find at: http://www.omnigroup.com/applications/omnioutliner/extras/ James's script works well, although you will need to have the BrainForest desktop application to make it work (it walks the OmniOutliner tree and drives the BrainForest desktop app through AppleScript to translate the document). Angus -- angus@pobox.com http://pobox.com/~angus From lists at mostrom.pp.se Sun Feb 16 08:27:00 2003 From: lists at mostrom.pp.se (Jan Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?Mostr=F6m?=) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:30:02 2005 Subject: Palm and OmniOutliner.. In-Reply-To: <2E9E85EC-41C7-11D7-95C2-0050E4258255@fastmail.fm> Message-ID: 2003-02-16 10:56: Bruce D'Arcus is believed to have typed: > If yes, that's not much of a solution for OO users. With OS X and > iSync, shouldn't it be possible to have any OPML capable app sync with > the Palm outliner? What Palm outliner are you referring to? As far as I know none of the Palm outliners can read/write OPML. ShadowPlan doesn't handle OPML either on the Palm but the Mac desktop can save in for example XML format and the author have at various times talked about OPML support. As for writing an OPML module for iSync I don't know if that would make any difference from writing a standard conduit (the iSync stuff for the Palm is a conduit) and to do that you need to know how the Palm application store it's data ... and you have to get that from the people that have made the Palm program ... which I've tried with 0 success. jem -- Jan Erik Mostr?m jem@mostrom.pp.se www.mostrom.pp.se From bdarcus at fastmail.fm Sun Feb 16 08:47:00 2003 From: bdarcus at fastmail.fm (Bruce D'Arcus) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:30:02 2005 Subject: Palm and OmniOutliner.. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sunday, February 16, 2003, at 11:26 AM, Jan Erik Mostr?m wrote: > What Palm outliner are you referring to? As far as I know none of the > Palm outliners can read/write OPML. There's at least one I found called Bonsai. Bruce From lists at mostrom.pp.se Sun Feb 16 11:07:09 2003 From: lists at mostrom.pp.se (Jan Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?Mostr=F6m?=) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:30:02 2005 Subject: Palm and OmniOutliner.. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: 2003-02-16 11:52: Bruce D'Arcus is believed to have typed: > > What Palm outliner are you referring to? As far as I know none > > of the Palm outliners can read/write OPML. > > There's at least one I found called Bonsai. The one that I haven't looked at 8-) Does it support OPML on the Palm or on the desktop? (I downloaded the manual and I couldn't find any comments about exporting/importing OPML) jem -- Jan Erik Mostr?m jem@mostrom.pp.se www.mostrom.pp.se From bdarcus at fastmail.fm Sun Feb 16 11:15:04 2003 From: bdarcus at fastmail.fm (Bruce D'Arcus) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:30:02 2005 Subject: Palm and OmniOutliner.. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <9A7229FA-41E2-11D7-8CBF-0030657A7050@fastmail.fm> On Sunday, February 16, 2003, at 02:02 PM, Jan Erik Mostr?m wrote: > Does it support OPML on the Palm or on the desktop? (I downloaded the > manual and I couldn't find any comments about exporting/importing OPML) It seems its support for OPML is not as good as it could be, but I found a couple of things on the web about an opml export template for Bonsai. I'm not sure if it can also do import: http://www.rklau.com/tins/stories/2002/12/27/ editingOutlinesOnYourPalm.html Bruce From lists at mostrom.pp.se Sun Feb 16 11:44:00 2003 From: lists at mostrom.pp.se (Jan Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?Mostr=F6m?=) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:30:02 2005 Subject: Palm and OmniOutliner.. In-Reply-To: <9A7229FA-41E2-11D7-8CBF-0030657A7050@fastmail.fm> Message-ID: 2003-02-16 14:12: Bruce D'Arcus is believed to have typed: