OmniOutliner-Users digest, Vol 1 #17 - 4 msgs

Thu Jan 24 00:22:01 PST 2002

Rob,

do you know, that More 3.1 runs smoothly under MAC OS 9.2 and the Classic section of OS X?

This is why I have not yet changed to OS X and thus am watching this program only from the outside.
Is it possible in OmniOutliner to insert chemical formulae, graphics etc. in the comments fields?

Nic
termeer at termeer.de

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>    1. New User Questions/Request (Rob Bartel)
>    2. Re: New User Questions/Request (Kent Johnson)
>    3. Re: New User Questions/Request (Rob Bartel)
>    4. Re: New User Questions/Request (Kent Johnson)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 16:28:31 -0500
> Subject: New User Questions/Request
> From: Rob Bartel <rob at bartel.com>
> To: omnioutliner-users at omnigroup.com
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> I've owned and been using Omnioutliner for a few months now, but have
> been using it hard for the past few days (on a design task in my
> software engineering profession) and have an observation, a question,
> and a couple of passionate requests:
>
> 0) I LOVE this tool. I've missed MORE dreadfully since it went away,
> (although it's still available last I checked, for free but the same
> version as worked in OS 7.5 or thereabouts...) After I moved to OS X I
> was quite happy to find OmniOutliner and love using (and looking at) it.
>
> 1) I sent a (relatively minor) "array out of bounds" bug report to
> omnioutliner at omnigroup.com. Should I not expect a reply, or is this a
> black hole?
>
> 2) Please, please, can the behavior of "Return" be changed so that it
> inserts at the next visible line, not the next line at the same level?
> MORE worked this way, and I'm tearing my hair out everytime I want to
> add an item at the top of a subtree. If a headline is collapsed, and is
> the current "insertion point" then it should insert a new headline at
> the same level. If it is expanded then it should insert a sub-headline
> as the first sub-headline of the list. Maybe there's a way to do this
> I've missed, but couldn't find any reference to it. In any event, this
> seems to me to be the intuitive behavior. I have discovered shift-return
> to insert a headline above the current headline, but I'd still like this
> "next visible line" behavior.
>
> 3) Are there keyboard shortcuts for moving headlines up or down? If I
> remember right, MORE had them (because my subconcious keeps trying to do
> it with shift-uparrow or shift-downarrow) but I haven't discovered them
> yet for Omnioutliner. I'm not anti-mouse dragging, but this is something
> I do a lot during the brainstorming phase, and I'd really like to be
> able to move headlines up and down from the keyboard, analogous to the
> way I can move them in and out with tab.
>
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> I've owned and been using Omnioutliner for a few months now, but have
> been using it hard for the past few days (on a design task in my
> software engineering profession) and have an observation, a question,
> and a couple of passionate requests:
>
> 0) I LOVE this tool. I've missed MORE dreadfully since it went away,
> (although it's still available last I checked, for free but the same
> version as worked in OS 7.5 or thereabouts...) After I moved to OS X I
> was quite happy to find OmniOutliner and love using (and looking at)
> it.
>
> 1) I sent a (relatively minor) "array out of bounds" bug report to
> <underline><fontfamily><param>Lucida Grande</param><smaller>omnioutliner at omnigroup.com</smaller></fontfamily></underline>.
> Should I not expect a reply, or is this a black hole?
>
> 2) Please, please, can the behavior of "Return" be changed so that it
> inserts at the next visible line, not the next line at the same level?
> MORE worked this way, and I'm tearing my hair out everytime I want to
> add an item at the top of a subtree. If a headline is collapsed, and
> is the current "insertion point" then it should insert a new headline
> at the same level. If it is expanded then it should insert a
> sub-headline as the first sub-headline of the list. Maybe there's a
> way to do this I've missed, but couldn't find any reference to it. In
> any event, this seems to me to be the intuitive behavior. I have
> discovered shift-return to insert a headline above the current
> headline, but I'd still like this "next visible line" behavior.
>
> 3) Are there keyboard shortcuts for moving headlines up or down? If I
> remember right, MORE had them (because my subconcious keeps trying to
> do it with shift-uparrow or shift-downarrow) but I haven't discovered
> them yet for Omnioutliner. I'm not anti-mouse dragging, but this is
> something I do a lot during the brainstorming phase, and I'd really
> like to be able to move headlines up and down from the keyboard,
> analogous to the way I can move them in and out with tab.
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> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 10:43:25 -0500
> To: omnioutliner-users at omnigroup.com
> From: Kent Johnson <kent at pondview.mv.com>
> Subject: Re: New User Questions/Request
>
> At 4:28 PM -0500 1/22/02, Rob Bartel wrote:
> >2) Please, please, can the behavior of "Return" be changed so that
> >it inserts at the next visible line, not the next line at the same
> >level?
>
> Please, please, no! Acta works the same as OO on this one :-)
>
> >3) Are there keyboard shortcuts for moving headlines up or down?
>
> cmd-U and cmd-D
>
> Kent
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> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 11:01:51 -0500
> Subject: Re: New User Questions/Request
> Cc: omnioutliner-users at omnigroup.com
> To: Kent Johnson <kent at pondview.mv.com>
> From: Rob Bartel <rob at bartel.com>
>
> On Wednesday, January 23, 2002, at 10:43 AM, Kent Johnson wrote:
>
> > At 4:28 PM -0500 1/22/02, Rob Bartel wrote:
> >> 2) Please, please, can the behavior of "Return" be changed so that it
> >> inserts at the next visible line, not the next line at the same level?
> >
> > Please, please, no! Acta works the same as OO on this one :-)
> Hmmmpfff. What's an "Acta"? At first I thought it must be some sort of a
> PC thing with a brain-damaged interface like this :-) But I find it is
> apparently a Mac program of the same era (and fate) as MORE. If I recall
> correctly, early versions of MORE worked this way too, but they "fixed"
> it in version 3.
>
> Seriously, this is driving me nuts. I guess I'd modify my request to be
> a request for a preference.
>
> >
> >> 3) Are there keyboard shortcuts for moving headlines up or down?
> >
> > cmd-U and cmd-D
> Geez, there is is right in the menu. I wonder how I missed it, after
> trying to find it several times...
>
> Thanks, and sorry for the "noise" on the list.
> >
> > Kent
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> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 11:24:21 -0500
> To: omnioutliner-users at omnigroup.com
> From: Kent Johnson <kent at pondview.mv.com>
> Subject: Re: New User Questions/Request
>
> >Hmmm... I seem to be spamming you this morning. Sorry, I don't mean to.
>
> No problem at all.
>
> >
> >I wanted to follow up a bit more, if you don't mind, about how you
> >do insert a subhead at the top of the list of subheads? The
> >"natural" thing to do, it seems to me, is to click (or move) to the
> >parent heading and hit return, assuming the subheads are open
> >already. Do you position to the first subhead and shift-return, or
> >is there something else I don't know yet that is easier and more
> >intuitive?
>
> Well, there isn't an easy way to do this in OO, and I agree strongly
> with you that there should be.
>
> I have already posted my suggestion to the list - Acta uses cmd-D
> (daughter) and cmd-A (aunt) as shortcuts to create a new item
> indented or outdented below the current item. For aunts, it is smart
> enough to put it below the children of teh current item.
>
> In OO, the easiest way to create a new child of the current item is
> two keystrokes, down-arrow shift-return.
>
> >
> >Perhaps it's just a difference in outlining style, but when do you
> >*want* it to insert a heading at the same level (again, assuming the
> >subheads are open). I would normally collapse the subheads and hit
> >return, or perhaps use the shift-return thing to add it above.
>
> That sounds awkward and confusing to me - return sometimes adds a
> sub-item, sometimes a peer item, depending on what? What if you are
> in the middle of a list of peers and want to create a sub-item?
>
> The Acta behavior is clear and consistent - separate keys for aunt,
> sibling and daughter, no context dependencies.
>
> Just my two cents,
> Kent
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