From brent@baton.phys.lsu.edu Tue Dec 18 08:15:03 2001 Received: from baton.phys.lsu.edu (baton.phys.lsu.edu [130.39.182.71]) by omnigroup.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA16425 for ; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 08:15:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.123.176] (fbnpb.phys.lsu.edu [130.39.183.142]) by baton.phys.lsu.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id KAA14167 for ; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 10:07:27 -0600 (CST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 10:14:38 -0600 To: omnioutliner-users@omnigroup.com From: Brent Neal Subject: List archives Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: omnioutliner-users-admin@omnigroup.com Errors-To: omnioutliner-users-admin@omnigroup.com X-BeenThere: omnioutliner-users@omnigroup.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.6 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: OmniOutliner Users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: I just subscribed, and wanted to go back through the list archives. The link on the Mailman info page for the list seems to be broken. Has anyone else noticed this? B -- Brent Neal Concurrent Computing Laboratory for Materials Simulations Dept. of Physics - Dept. of Computer Science Louisiana State University From bertisonline@mac.com Tue Dec 18 11:17:30 2001 Received: from smtprt15.wanadoo.fr (smtprt13.wanadoo.fr [193.252.19.223]) by omnigroup.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA23279; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 11:16:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from mel-rta8.wanadoo.fr (193.252.19.79) by smtprt15.wanadoo.fr; 18 Dec 2001 20:16:16 +0100 Received: from localhost (80.11.78.165) by mel-rta8.wanadoo.fr; 18 Dec 2001 20:12:13 +0100 Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 20:12:22 +0100 Subject: OmniOutliner and More Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v475) Cc: omnioutliner@omnigroup.com, Olivier Corouge , Vincent Ceccon , =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jean-Marc_Ouvr=E9?= To: omnioutliner-users@omnigroup.com From: Bertrand Grossier Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <29F94C3A-F3EB-11D5-B21B-000393014054@mac.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.475) Sender: omnioutliner-users-admin@omnigroup.com Errors-To: omnioutliner-users-admin@omnigroup.com X-BeenThere: omnioutliner-users@omnigroup.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.6 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: OmniOutliner Users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: What is missing from More(TM) into OmniOutliner? For me: -Text attached with a line (pressing Enter) -Dynamic settings (level 1 to n, font=blabla, etc.) and mostly: --Numeric lines (1, 1.1, 1.1.1, etc.) instead of only bullets --Space between levels --Break page -Header and Footer with dynamic elements: --Date --Page number, number of pages --Name of current level n --Filename (with no extension :-) That is good enough for a real use. What was missing from More(TM) 3.1? -Drag and drop capabilities -Waterprints options -Columns :-) I need OmniOutliner as a light and powerful documentation tool, with different outprints (native, pdf, html) generated at a single Save command at different places (on my hard disk (native file), into a mail (pdf for diffusion), online (html on a server)). I feel there are things that may be generic Services. I like the "make a tool with all the fun of Symantec's much-loved and missed MoreTM application for Mac OS, but we're going to be adding new features in later versions that no outliner has ever had" statement. I hope the best :-) Regards, Bertrand. From kc@omnigroup.com Tue Dec 18 11:52:21 2001 Received: from drowzee (drowzee.omnigroup.com [198.151.161.74]) by omnigroup.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA24312; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 11:52:21 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 11:52:20 -0800 Subject: Re: List archives Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v475) Cc: omnioutliner-users@omnigroup.com To: Brent Neal From: Ken Case In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.475) Sender: omnioutliner-users-admin@omnigroup.com Errors-To: omnioutliner-users-admin@omnigroup.com X-BeenThere: omnioutliner-users@omnigroup.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.6 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: OmniOutliner Users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Tuesday, December 18, 2001, at 08:14 , Brent Neal wrote: > I just subscribed, and wanted to go back through the list archives. The > link on the Mailman info page for the list seems to be broken. Has > anyone else noticed this? Thanks for reporting the problem! As it happens, your message was the first to be posted to the list: before that, the link was broken because there was nothing archived; now that there is something archived, the link does seem to be working properly. Ken From dwaquilina@mac.com Tue Dec 18 12:05:57 2001 Received: from smtpout.mac.com ([204.179.120.85]) by omnigroup.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA24758 for ; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 12:05:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp-relay01.mac.com (server-source-si02 [10.13.10.6]) by smtpout.mac.com (8.12.1/8.10.2/1.0) with ESMTP id fBIK5uha002855 for ; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 12:05:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from asmtp02.mac.com ([10.13.10.66]) by smtp-relay01.mac.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15 relay01 Jun 21 2001 23:53:48) with ESMTP id GOK2HV00.3R4 for ; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 12:05:55 -0800 Received: from Ithil ([24.51.86.101]) by asmtp02.mac.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15 asmtp02 Jun 21 2001 23:53:48) with ESMTP id GOK2HU00.G5H for ; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 12:05:54 -0800 Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 15:05:54 -0500 Subject: OmniStuff (Was: Re: List archives) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v478) Cc: omnioutliner-users@omnigroup.com From: David Aquilina Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.478) Sender: omnioutliner-users-admin@omnigroup.com Errors-To: omnioutliner-users-admin@omnigroup.com X-BeenThere: omnioutliner-users@omnigroup.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.6 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: OmniOutliner Users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Tuesday, December 18, 2001, at 02:52 PM, Ken Case wrote: > As it happens, your message was the first to be posted to the list: > before that, the link was broken because there was nothing archived That's kinda really funny :) As far as OmniOutliner is concerned, I was pondering one day, it'd be neat if OmniOutliner, OmniGraffle, and [Insert application that hasn't been created yet, a mid-weight word processor would fit in well, heavier than AppleWorks but lighter than Word[1]] were integrated decently well and made into a bundle, 'OmniProductive' or something like that. OmniWeb and OmniDict[2] would also fit in well too into this bundle. Just a random thought, as I have no idea how busy OmniGroup is with various things. -David [1] Hey, kinda reminds me of Gobe Productive :) [2] I've noticed a bug in OmniDict, it won't catch the Cmd-= keystroke the first time, only after its been started once through the Services menu. From brent@baton.phys.lsu.edu Wed Dec 19 08:33:42 2001 Received: from baton.phys.lsu.edu (baton.phys.lsu.edu [130.39.182.71]) by omnigroup.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA07469 for ; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 08:33:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from [130.39.183.142] (fbnpb.phys.lsu.edu [130.39.183.142]) by baton.phys.lsu.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id KAA20935 for ; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 10:26:03 -0600 (CST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 10:33:29 -0600 To: omnioutliner-users@omnigroup.com From: Brent Neal Subject: OO Annoyance Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: omnioutliner-users-admin@omnigroup.com Errors-To: omnioutliner-users-admin@omnigroup.com X-BeenThere: omnioutliner-users@omnigroup.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.6 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: OmniOutliner Users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: I think I submitted this as a bug/feature request some time ago, but I'm going to mention it anyway since I'm not sure. When OO is setup as a login item, it does not open previously open outlines. This is true if the OO application itself is in the Login items list and when I launch OO from an Applescript applet in the login items list. If I wait until the login process is completed and launch OO, it works fine. Brent -- Brent Neal Concurrent Computing Laboratory for Materials Simulations Dept. of Physics - Dept. of Computer Science Louisiana State University From brent@baton.phys.lsu.edu Wed Dec 19 08:50:32 2001 Received: from baton.phys.lsu.edu (baton.phys.lsu.edu [130.39.182.71]) by omnigroup.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA08397 for ; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 08:50:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from [130.39.183.142] (fbnpb.phys.lsu.edu [130.39.183.142]) by baton.phys.lsu.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id KAA21005 for ; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 10:42:50 -0600 (CST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 10:50:04 -0600 To: omnioutliner-users@omnigroup.com From: Brent Neal Subject: Re: OO Annoyance Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: omnioutliner-users-admin@omnigroup.com Errors-To: omnioutliner-users-admin@omnigroup.com X-BeenThere: omnioutliner-users@omnigroup.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.6 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: OmniOutliner Users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: At 10:33 -0600 12/19/01, Brent Neal wrote: >I think I submitted this as a bug/feature request some time ago, but >I'm going to mention it anyway since I'm not sure. > >When OO is setup as a login item, it does not open previously open >outlines. This is true if the OO application itself is in the Login >items list and when I launch OO from an Applescript applet in the >login items list. If I wait until the login process is completed >and launch OO, it works fine. > A followup: I put a 2 minute(!) delay in the applescript, so that it would wait before launching OO. When this script was run from the Login Items, OO did not reopen my old outlines. When I double-clicked on it in the Finder, OO acted fine. Totally bizarre. B -- Brent Neal Concurrent Computing Laboratory for Materials Simulations Dept. of Physics - Dept. of Computer Science Louisiana State University From quinon@yhb.att.ne.jp Sun Dec 23 04:38:46 2001 Received: from yhb.att.ne.jp (yhb.att.ne.jp [165.76.88.6]) by omnigroup.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id EAA03746 for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2001 04:38:45 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 27788 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2001 12:38:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO localhost) (165.76.212.36) by yhb.att.ne.jp with SMTP; 23 Dec 2001 12:38:43 -0000 Subject: OmniOutliner Help Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v480) From: Kino To: omnioutliner-users@omnigroup.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <3AE6F1FA-F7A2-11D5-8B3F-000502C86510@yhb.att.ne.jp> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.480) Sender: omnioutliner-users-admin@omnigroup.com Errors-To: omnioutliner-users-admin@omnigroup.com X-BeenThere: omnioutliner-users@omnigroup.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.6 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: OmniOutliner Users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun Dec 23 04:39:00 2001 X-Original-Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2001 21:40:22 +0900 Hello Maybe I'm the only man who did not know it, but I just discovered: Looks good but is it normal to compress not only the folder but also all individual files? Yusuke Kinoshita From danb@5280.com Sun Dec 23 16:37:58 2001 Received: from 5280.com ([209.38.62.130]) by omnigroup.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA19952 for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2001 16:37:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.0.0.8] (216.160.160.157) by 5280.com with ESMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 1.3.1); Sun, 23 Dec 2001 17:37:50 -0700 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1309 Subject: Feature request From: Daniel Brogan To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200112232003.MAA11504@lists> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: omnioutliner-users-admin@omnigroup.com Errors-To: omnioutliner-users-admin@omnigroup.com X-BeenThere: omnioutliner-users@omnigroup.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.6 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: OmniOutliner Users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun Dec 23 16:37:59 2001 X-Original-Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2001 15:59:33 -0700 Here's a feature that ought to be pretty simple, but also very useful: -- Select all Checked Items -Dan From khr@earthlink.net Sun Dec 23 20:51:44 2001 Received: from harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net (harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.12]) by omnigroup.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA24961 for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2001 20:51:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from evrtwa1-ar4-004-191.elnk.dsl.gtei.net ([4.35.4.191]) by harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16IN5P-0003TU-00 for omnioutliner-users@omnigroup.com; Sun, 23 Dec 2001 20:51:39 -0800 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1331 Subject: Re: Feature request From: Robert Westmoreland To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: omnioutliner-users-admin@omnigroup.com Errors-To: omnioutliner-users-admin@omnigroup.com X-BeenThere: omnioutliner-users@omnigroup.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.6 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: OmniOutliner Users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun Dec 23 20:52:01 2001 X-Original-Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2001 20:51:39 -0800 While we're at it, that's not very far from a feature I'd love to have: print all and only the checked items :-) -- Robert PS. Merry Christmas, all. > From: Daniel Brogan > Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2001 15:59:33 -0700 > To: > Subject: Feature request > > Here's a feature that ought to be pretty simple, but also very useful: > > -- Select all Checked Items > > -Dan > > _______________________________________________ > OmniOutliner-Users mailing list > OmniOutliner-Users@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnioutliner-users From brent@baton.phys.lsu.edu Sun Dec 23 21:13:32 2001 Received: from baton.phys.lsu.edu (baton.phys.lsu.edu [130.39.182.71]) by omnigroup.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA25444 for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2001 21:13:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from [130.39.183.142] ([24.21.235.92]) by baton.phys.lsu.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id XAA12818 for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2001 23:05:56 -0600 (CST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: To: From: Brent Neal Subject: Re: Feature request Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: omnioutliner-users-admin@omnigroup.com Errors-To: omnioutliner-users-admin@omnigroup.com X-BeenThere: omnioutliner-users@omnigroup.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.6 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: OmniOutliner Users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun Dec 23 21:14:01 2001 X-Original-Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2001 23:08:08 -0600 At 20:51 -0800 12/23/01, Robert Westmoreland wrote: >While we're at it, that's not very far from a feature I'd love to have: >print all and only the checked items :-) > >-- Robert > >PS. Merry Christmas, all. > > >> From: Daniel Brogan >> Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2001 15:59:33 -0700 >> To: >> Subject: Feature request >> >> Here's a feature that ought to be pretty simple, but also very useful: >> >> -- Select all Checked Items >> > > -Dan > > If you have a Select Checked Items, all you need is Print Selected Items, which is much more generally useful. I'll toss my vote in for those two features, too. B -- Brent Neal Concurrent Computing Laboratory for Materials Simulations Dept. of Physics - Dept. of Computer Science Louisiana State University From khr@earthlink.net Sun Dec 23 21:50:46 2001 Received: from harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net (harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.12]) by omnigroup.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA26482 for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2001 21:50:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from evrtwa1-ar4-004-191.elnk.dsl.gtei.net ([4.35.4.191]) by harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16IO0b-0004Pm-00 for omnioutliner-users@omnigroup.com; Sun, 23 Dec 2001 21:50:45 -0800 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1331 Subject: Re: Feature request From: Robert Westmoreland To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: omnioutliner-users-admin@omnigroup.com Errors-To: omnioutliner-users-admin@omnigroup.com X-BeenThere: omnioutliner-users@omnigroup.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.6 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: OmniOutliner Users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun Dec 23 21:50:59 2001 X-Original-Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2001 21:50:44 -0800 It's sort of embarrassing for someone with your academic credentials to second my suggestion. I really just want to print out my shopping list before I go to the store. -- R. > From: Brent Neal > Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2001 23:08:08 -0600 > To: > Subject: Re: Feature request > > At 20:51 -0800 12/23/01, Robert Westmoreland wrote: >> While we're at it, that's not very far from a feature I'd love to have: >> print all and only the checked items :-) >> >> -- Robert >> >> PS. Merry Christmas, all. >> >> >>> From: Daniel Brogan >>> Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2001 15:59:33 -0700 >>> To: >>> Subject: Feature request >>> >>> Here's a feature that ought to be pretty simple, but also very useful: >>> >>> -- Select all Checked Items >>> >>> -Dan >>> > > > If you have a Select Checked Items, all you need is Print Selected > Items, which is much more generally useful. I'll toss my vote in for > those two features, too. > > B > -- > Brent Neal > Concurrent Computing Laboratory for Materials Simulations > Dept. of Physics - Dept. of Computer Science > Louisiana State University > _______________________________________________ > OmniOutliner-Users mailing list > OmniOutliner-Users@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnioutliner-users From brent@baton.phys.lsu.edu Mon Dec 24 06:02:18 2001 Received: from baton.phys.lsu.edu (baton.phys.lsu.edu [130.39.182.71]) by omnigroup.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id GAA05638 for ; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 06:02:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.123.176] ([24.21.235.92]) by baton.phys.lsu.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id HAA13531; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 07:54:36 -0600 (CST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: To: Robert Westmoreland , From: Brent Neal Subject: Re: Feature request Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: omnioutliner-users-admin@omnigroup.com Errors-To: omnioutliner-users-admin@omnigroup.com X-BeenThere: omnioutliner-users@omnigroup.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.6 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: OmniOutliner Users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon Dec 24 06:03:00 2001 X-Original-Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2001 08:00:45 -0600 At 21:50 -0800 12/23/01, Robert Westmoreland wrote: >It's sort of embarrassing for someone with your academic credentials to >second my suggestion. I really just want to print out my shopping list >before I go to the store. > >-- R. > *grin* I'm just a lowly graduate student, using OO for his dissertation.... B -- Brent Neal Concurrent Computing Laboratory for Materials Simulations Dept. of Physics - Dept. of Computer Science Louisiana State University From castaldo@olywa.net Wed Jan 2 11:15:27 2002 Received: from valis.olywa.net (valis.olywa.net [216.173.192.2]) by omnigroup.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA04426 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 11:15:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.0.1.4] ([131.191.25.182]) by valis.olywa.net (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-56662U5000L500S0V35) with ESMTP id net for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 11:15:21 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: castaldo@mail.olywa.net Message-Id: To: omnioutliner-users@omnigroup.com From: Pat Castaldo Subject: Pasting lists.. Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: omnioutliner-users-admin@omnigroup.com Errors-To: omnioutliner-users-admin@omnigroup.com X-BeenThere: omnioutliner-users@omnigroup.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.6 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: OmniOutliner Users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed Jan 2 11:15:59 2002 X-Original-Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 11:15:22 -0800 My query/idea: I have a simple list of things to do that i have in a plain text file... the items are separated by line breaks. I want to paste or import them into outliner so that each line is a new to-do item. Any tips/hints? Or is this a feature request? If I cut and paste the whole thing into outliner, it treats it just as one big to-do. Which makes sense, but is not what I want. Maybe there could be a modified paste option-control-V (or something) that, while pasting, converts the line breaks into new items? Or is this an import-type feature. -pat. -- From morries@tassie.net.au Wed Jan 2 12:31:16 2002 Received: from perseus.tassie.net.au (perseus.tassie.net.au [203.57.213.25]) by omnigroup.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA09604 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 12:31:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (dialin20.ulv.tassie.net.au [203.57.210.148]) by perseus.tassie.net.au (8.11.6/8.11.6/JA2) with ESMTP id g02KV5S60727 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 07:31:06 +1100 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v472) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: Gantt charts From: Craig Morris To: omnioutliner-users@omnigroup.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <04A83437-FFC0-11D5-B9C4-0030654E4D78@tassie.net.au> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.472) Sender: omnioutliner-users-admin@omnigroup.com Errors-To: omnioutliner-users-admin@omnigroup.com X-BeenThere: omnioutliner-users@omnigroup.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.6 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: OmniOutliner Users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed Jan 2 12:32:09 2002 X-Original-Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 07:33:45 +1100 I am new to the list so apologise if this has been sought. I would love the ability to time scale my outlines and to generate gantt charts. Is this likely? Craig From greg@omnigroup.com Wed Jan 2 12:41:36 2002 Received: from localhost (tauros.toon.omnigroup.com [209.180.166.93]) by omnigroup.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA10249; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 12:41:35 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Pasting lists.. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v480) Cc: omnioutliner-users@omnigroup.com To: Pat Castaldo From: Greg Titus In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <1BA319B6-FFC1-11D5-A447-003065B22C50@omnigroup.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.480) Sender: omnioutliner-users-admin@omnigroup.com Errors-To: omnioutliner-users-admin@omnigroup.com X-BeenThere: omnioutliner-users@omnigroup.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.6 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: OmniOutliner Users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed Jan 2 12:42:01 2002 X-Original-Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 12:41:33 -0800 On Wednesday, January 2, 2002, at 11:15 AM, Pat Castaldo wrote: > > I have a simple list of things to do that i have in a plain text > file... the items are separated by line breaks. > > I want to paste or import them into outliner so that each line is a new > to-do item. > > Any tips/hints? Or is this a feature request? > > If I cut and paste the whole thing into outliner, it treats it just as > one big to-do. Which makes sense, but is not what I want. Maybe there > could be a modified paste option-control-V (or something) that, while > pasting, converts the line breaks into new items? Or is this an > import-type feature. Hi Pat, If you are currently editing an item, pasting into outliner will add the whole text to the current item (as you discovered). But if you just have an item selected and aren't editing the text, then pasting will add new items for each line in the paste (as you want). Outliner will even get the indentation structure right if you use tabs for different levels in the plain text file. To get out of editing a particular item and just select it, either click to the left of the bullet (in the gutter), or hit ESC to end editing. Or you could use command-shift-A to deselect-all. Either way, once you have no selection, or you are selecting the whole item instead of editing, just paste. Hope this helps, --Greg From tim@timhurson.com Wed Jan 2 14:57:37 2002 Received: from tomts16-srv.bellnexxia.net (tomts16-srv.bellnexxia.net [209.226.175.4]) by omnigroup.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA16481 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 14:57:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.0.1.12] ([64.229.88.39]) by tomts16-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.16 201-229-121-116-20010115) with ESMTP id <20020102225734.CBBD19575.tomts16-srv.bellnexxia.net@[10.0.1.12]> for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 17:57:34 -0500 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.1.3108 Subject: Feature request From: Tim Hurson To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3092839055_265347" Sender: omnioutliner-users-admin@omnigroup.com Errors-To: omnioutliner-users-admin@omnigroup.com X-BeenThere: omnioutliner-users@omnigroup.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.6 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: OmniOutliner Users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed Jan 2 14:58:01 2002 X-Original-Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 17:57:35 -0500 > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3092839055_265347 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit One of the things I really loved about MORE was the ability to split a bullet into two with command return, and ocversely to concatenate two bullets with command delete. Any chance OmniOutliner will be adding those functions soon? Thanks, Tim Hurson * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * In creating, the only hard thing's to begin; A grass-blade's no easier to make than an oak. 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Thanks,

Tim Hurson

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--B_3092839055_265347-- From wjcheeseman@earthlink.net Thu Jan 3 08:09:48 2002 Received: from swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net (swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.123]) by omnigroup.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA22159 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 08:09:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from user-2ive2en.dialup.mindspring.com ([165.247.9.215] helo=[10.0.1.52]) by swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16MAR7-0002Xr-00 for omnioutliner-users@omnigroup.com; Thu, 03 Jan 2002 08:09:45 -0800 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1331 Subject: Re: Feature request From: Bill Cheeseman To: OmniOutliner-Users mail Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3092900985_5606181" Sender: omnioutliner-users-admin@omnigroup.com Errors-To: omnioutliner-users-admin@omnigroup.com X-BeenThere: omnioutliner-users@omnigroup.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.6 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: OmniOutliner Users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu Jan 3 08:10:21 2002 X-Original-Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 11:09:02 -0500 > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3092900985_5606181 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit on 02-01-02 5:57 PM, Tim Hurson at tim@timhurson.com wrote: > One of the things I really loved about MORE was the ability to split a bullet > into two with command return, and ocversely to concatenate two bullets with > command delete. Any chance OmniOutliner will be adding those functions soon? This is really important. But so is cloning. -- Bill Cheeseman - wjcheeseman@earthlink.net Quechee Software, Quechee, Vermont, USA http://www.quecheesoftware.com The AppleScript Sourcebook - http://www.AppleScriptSourcebook.com Vermont Recipes - http://www.stepwise.com/Articles/VermontRecipes Croquet Club of Vermont - http://members.valley.net/croquetvermont --B_3092900985_5606181 Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: Feature request on 02-01-02 5:57 PM, Tim Hurson at tim@timhurson.com w= rote:

One of the things I really = loved about MORE was the ability to split a bullet into two with command ret= urn, and ocversely to concatenate two bullets with command delete. Any chanc= e OmniOutliner will be adding those functions soon?

This is really important. But so is cloning.

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 --B_3092900985_5606181-- From greg@omnigroup.com Thu Jan 3 15:06:35 2002 Received: from localhost (tauros.toon.omnigroup.com [209.180.166.93]) by omnigroup.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA18292; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 15:06:34 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Feature request Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v480) Cc: To: Tim Hurson From: Greg Titus In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <87F7B218-009E-11D6-A447-003065B22C50@omnigroup.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.480) Sender: omnioutliner-users-admin@omnigroup.com Errors-To: omnioutliner-users-admin@omnigroup.com X-BeenThere: omnioutliner-users@omnigroup.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.6 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: OmniOutliner Users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu Jan 3 15:07:01 2002 X-Original-Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 15:06:33 -0800 On Wednesday, January 2, 2002, at 02:57 PM, Tim Hurson wrote: > One of the things I really loved about MORE was the ability to split a > bullet into two with command return, and ocversely to concatenate two > bullets with command delete. Any chance OmniOutliner will be adding > those functions soon? I've just added the first half of this feature (splitting), and it occurs to me that it might be more natural to simply make return do this (instead of command-return). (1) If you were editing plain text and hit return in the middle of a line, it'd split the rest of the line onto a new line - this is what people generally expect to happen with the return key. (2) Microsoft Word outlines work this way. (3) We already have command-return used to insert a newline in the current item. Is anyone attached to the current behavior of return -- simply adding a new item despite where your selection is? Anyone have any arguments against a change? On another note, what would you expect to happen if you did a command-delete to concatenate when you were working with a document with multiple columns? My first impulse is to concatenate the contents of the column that you are in with the same column in the previous row, but only delete the row if all other columns are empty, if not leaving the rest of the row as is. I.e.: * xyz 1 * abc 2 turns into: * xyzabc 1 * 2 Instead of eliminating the second bullet point. Any thoughts? Thanks for the feedback, --Greg From tim@timhurson.com Thu Jan 3 16:38:24 2002 Received: from tomts20-srv.bellnexxia.net (tomts20-srv.bellnexxia.net [209.226.175.74]) by omnigroup.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA24040 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 16:38:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.0.1.26] ([64.229.91.126]) by tomts20-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.16 201-229-121-116-20010115) with ESMTP id <20020104003822.LDK14593.tomts20-srv.bellnexxia.net@[10.0.1.26]> for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 19:38:22 -0500 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.1.3108 Subject: Splitting and concatenating From: Tim Hurson To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3092931506_511951" Sender: omnioutliner-users-admin@omnigroup.com Errors-To: omnioutliner-users-admin@omnigroup.com X-BeenThere: omnioutliner-users@omnigroup.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.6 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: OmniOutliner Users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu Jan 3 16:39:00 2002 X-Original-Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 19:38:25 -0500 > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3092931506_511951 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Hi Greg, you wrote: > I've just added the first half of this feature (splitting), and it > occurs to me that it might be more natural to simply make return do this > (instead of command-return). I=B9d be fine with a plain return doing this trick. As long as a plain return at the end of the line still got me a new, blank bullet. > On another note, what would you expect to happen if you did a > command-delete to concatenate when you were working with a document with > multiple columns? My first impulse is to concatenate the contents of the > column that you are in with the same column in the previous row, but > only delete the row if all other columns are empty, if not leaving the > rest of the row as is. Wow. This is a tough one. I love the idea of columns, but I=B9ve never used them in an outliner before (except in InfoDepot nee FairWitness, where they never really worked that well anyway), so I have little practical experience. Seems to me your gut is right, as long as the 2 on your example remains in the second column of the item, with the first column having become blank. Then, if I wanted to add the 2 to the 1 in the previous secon= d column, I could either cut/past, drag, or concatenate again, this time with the cursor in the second column?? That=B9s my first reaction. Thanks very much, Greg, for getting on to this so quickly. It=B9ll make a world a difference to most of us who have been MORE addicts! Tim * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * If you can talk brilliantly about a problem, it can create the consoling illusion that it has been mastered. Stanley Kubrick (1928-1999 ) * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * --B_3092931506_511951 Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Splitting and concatenating Hi Greg, you wrote:

I've just added the first half of this feature (splitting), and it=
occurs to me that it might be more natural to simply make return do this (instead of command-return).

I’d be fine with a plain return doing this trick. As long as a plain = return at the end of the line still got me a new, blank bullet.

On another note, what would you expect to happen if you did a
command-delete to concatenate when you were working with a document with multiple columns? My first impulse is to concatenate the contents of the column that you are in with the same column in the previous row, but
only delete the row if all other columns are empty, if not leaving the
rest of the row as is.

Wow. This is a tough one. I love the idea of columns, but I’ve never = used them in an outliner before (except in InfoDepot nee FairWitness, where = they never really worked that well anyway), so I have little practical exper= ience. Seems to me your gut is right, as long as the 2 on your example remai= ns in the second column of the item, with the first column having become bla= nk. Then, if I wanted to add the 2 to the 1 in the previous second column, I= could either cut/past, drag, or concatenate again, this time with the curso= r in the second column?? That’s my first reaction.

Thanks very much, Greg, for getting on to this so quickly. It’ll make= a world a difference to most of us who have been MORE addicts!

Tim



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--B_3092931506_511951-- From wjcheeseman@earthlink.net Fri Jan 4 02:55:17 2002 Received: from swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net (swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.123]) by omnigroup.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id CAA12397 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 02:55:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from user-2ive399.dialup.mindspring.com ([165.247.13.41] helo=[10.0.1.52]) by swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16MS0I-00054J-00 for omnioutliner-users@omnigroup.com; Fri, 04 Jan 2002 02:55:14 -0800 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1331 Subject: Re: Feature request From: Bill Cheeseman To: OmniOutliner-Users mail Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <87F7B218-009E-11D6-A447-003065B22C50@omnigroup.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: omnioutliner-users-admin@omnigroup.com Errors-To: omnioutliner-users-admin@omnigroup.com X-BeenThere: omnioutliner-users@omnigroup.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.6 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: OmniOutliner Users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri Jan 4 02:56:00 2002 X-Original-Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 05:53:26 -0500 on 02-01-03 6:06 PM, Greg Titus at greg@omnigroup.com wrote: > I've just added the first half of this feature (splitting), and it > occurs to me that it might be more natural to simply make return do this > (instead of command-return). > > (1) If you were editing plain text and hit return in the middle of a > line, it'd split the rest of the line onto a new line - this is what > people generally expect to happen with the return key. (2) Microsoft > Word outlines work this way. (3) We already have command-return used to > insert a newline in the current item. > > Is anyone attached to the current behavior of return -- simply adding a > new item despite where your selection is? Anyone have any arguments > against a change? Return would still start a new, empty item if the cursor were at the end of the line, right? On that assumption, I like your proposal. And hitting the Delete key right after hitting the Return key should undo the split -- i.e., rejoin the items if the cursor is at the beginning of the new item (as it would be if you just hit Return and split the item), or delete the new, empty item if the Return has been hit at the end of the line -- so that an erroneous Return could always be undone on the fly with a single keystroke using the same finger. Good for fast typists. Your proposal makes the use of Return and Delete seamless and consistent. > On another note, what would you expect to happen if you did a > command-delete to concatenate when you were working with a document with > multiple columns? My first impulse is to concatenate the contents of the > column that you are in with the same column in the previous row, but > only delete the row if all other columns are empty, if not leaving the > rest of the row as is. I don't understand this proposal. In the Finder, Command-delete moves selected items to the trash. I wouldn't think of Command-delete in OmniOutliner as concatenating anything, unless you developed a consistent and comprehensive metaphor for the Delete key that I could incorporate into my mindset and use without thinking -- like the split/join system, above. What do various Delete and modifier-Delete combinations do now? -- Bill Cheeseman - wjcheeseman@earthlink.net Quechee Software, Quechee, Vermont, USA http://www.quecheesoftware.com The AppleScript Sourcebook - http://www.AppleScriptSourcebook.com Vermont Recipes - http://www.stepwise.com/Articles/VermontRecipes Croquet Club of Vermont - http://members.valley.net/croquetvermont From jaharmi@mac.com Fri Jan 4 03:40:03 2002 Received: from smtpout.mac.com ([204.179.120.86]) by omnigroup.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id DAA14172 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 03:40:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp-relay01.mac.com (server-source-si02 [10.13.10.6]) by smtpout.mac.com (8.12.1/8.10.2/1.0) with ESMTP id g04Be26L024095 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 03:40:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from asmtp02.mac.com ([10.13.10.66]) by smtp-relay01.mac.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15 relay01 Jun 21 2001 23:53:48) with ESMTP id GPEWEP00.VYG for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 03:40:01 -0800 Received: from acd168a-040.rit.edu ([204.210.136.54]) by asmtp02.mac.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15 asmtp02 Jun 21 2001 23:53:48) with ESMTP id GPEWEO00.OAB for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 03:40:01 -0800 Subject: Re: Feature request Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v480) From: Jeremy Reichman To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <87F7B218-009E-11D6-A447-003065B22C50@omnigroup.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.480) Sender: omnioutliner-users-admin@omnigroup.com Errors-To: omnioutliner-users-admin@omnigroup.com X-BeenThere: omnioutliner-users@omnigroup.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.6 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: OmniOutliner Users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri Jan 4 03:40:59 2002 X-Original-Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 06:40:01 -0500 I'm not sure if the changed Return behavior would affect how text is pasted into Outliner, but that may be a consideration. One thing I have found quirky (and I've seen at least one other person on this list mention it) is the way text is pasted in. Currently, if paragraph-formatted text is pasted within an Outliner line, it is inserted only in the text area of that line. More commonly, I'm trying to paste such text in to fill out an outline, and to do that, I have to select an entire line. The way the selections appear on screen is almost indistinguishable at quick glance -- the selected line is fully highlighted, but the when the text area only is selected, there is a small unhighlighted area to its left (yet otherwise, it still looks line the line itself is highlighted). Anyway, I'm in favor of the split and concatenate. However, I will have to think about what keyboards would make the most sense for me in Outliner. (Coming from Aportis' BrainForest Pro, I find Outliner's keyboard commands and operation different enough to confuse my fingers.) -- Jeremy Reichman From jan@storms.org Fri Jan 4 04:33:34 2002 Received: from smtpzilla5.xs4all.nl (smtpzilla5.xs4all.nl [194.109.127.141]) by omnigroup.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id EAA15362 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 04:33:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.0.0.151] (storms.xs4all.nl [213.84.106.129]) by smtpzilla5.xs4all.nl (8.12.0/8.12.0) with ESMTP id g04CXQwo042804 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 13:33:27 +0100 (CET) From: "Jan M.J. Storms" To: OmniOutliner-Users mail Subject: OPML Message-Id: <20020104123322.28177@smtp.xs4all.nl> X-Mailer: CTM PowerMail 3.1.1 carbon MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: omnioutliner-users-admin@omnigroup.com Errors-To: omnioutliner-users-admin@omnigroup.com X-BeenThere: omnioutliner-users@omnigroup.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.6 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: OmniOutliner Users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri Jan 4 04:34:00 2002 X-Original-Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 13:33:22 +0100 Any plans for OPML support? Sincerely, Jan M.J. Storms, M.A. >---------------------------------------------------------------------< STORMS W A T P scientific advice, training & process coaching Kempstraat 22rd, 2023 ES Haarlem, the Netherlands tel. +31 (23) 529 91 61 Web: - ePost >---------------------------------------------------------------------< From jan@storms.org Fri Jan 4 04:34:25 2002 Received: from smtpzilla5.xs4all.nl (smtpzilla5.xs4all.nl [194.109.127.141]) by omnigroup.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id EAA15380 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 04:34:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.0.0.151] (storms.xs4all.nl [213.84.106.129]) by smtpzilla5.xs4all.nl (8.12.0/8.12.0) with ESMTP id g04CYLwo043189 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 13:34:22 +0100 (CET) From: "Jan M.J. Storms" To: OmniOutliner-Users mail Subject: Re(2): Feature request Message-Id: <20020104123420.28121@smtp.xs4all.nl> X-Mailer: CTM PowerMail 3.1.1 carbon MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: omnioutliner-users-admin@omnigroup.com Errors-To: omnioutliner-users-admin@omnigroup.com X-BeenThere: omnioutliner-users@omnigroup.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.6 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: OmniOutliner Users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri Jan 4 04:35:01 2002 X-Original-Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 13:34:19 +0100 >I've just added the first half of this feature (splitting), and it >occurs to me that it might be more natural to simply make return do this >(instead of command-return). Return now makes a new header, regardless of the position of the cursor, which seems fine, and is the same as in More. > >(1) If you were editing plain text and hit return in the middle of a >line, it'd split the rest of the line onto a new line - this is what >people generally expect to happen with the return key. (2) Microsoft >Word outlines work this way. (3) We already have command-return used to >insert a newline in the current item. ad 3: I use option-return for that. It isn't necessary to have two keycombinations for the same result. > >Is anyone attached to the current behavior of return -- simply adding a >new item despite where your selection is? Anyone have any arguments >against a change? > >On another note, what would you expect to happen if you did a >command-delete to concatenate when you were working with a document with >multiple columns? My first impulse is to concatenate the contents of the >column that you are in with the same column in the previous row, but >only delete the row if all other columns are empty, if not leaving the >rest of the row as is. I.e.: > >* xyz 1 >* abc 2 > >turns into: > >* xyzabc 1 >* 2 > >Instead of eliminating the second bullet point. Any thoughts? Command-backspace could yield: * xyzabc 1 * 2 Command-option-backspace could yield: * xyzabc 12 It might be handy when you want to consolidate table rows that have been imported from a text file that wraps rows per line with hard returns. I want to vote for following closely the shortcuts and keys as used in MORE. MORE flows very well (I never liked the outliner in MS Word). I guess many users of OmniOutliner are MORE-veterans. Sincerely, Jan M.J. Storms, M.A. >---------------------------------------------------------------------< STORMS W A T P scientific advice, training & process coaching Kempstraat 22rd, 2023 ES Haarlem, the Netherlands tel. +31 (23) 529 91 61 Web: - ePost >---------------------------------------------------------------------< From wjcheeseman@earthlink.net Fri Jan 4 05:35:37 2002 Received: from swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net (swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.123]) by omnigroup.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id FAA16883 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 05:35:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from user-2ive399.dialup.mindspring.com ([165.247.13.41] helo=[10.0.1.52]) by swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16MUVT-0002cC-00 for omnioutliner-users@omnigroup.com; Fri, 04 Jan 2002 05:35:35 -0800 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1331 Subject: Re: OPML From: Bill Cheeseman To: OmniOutliner-Users mail Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20020104123322.28177@smtp.xs4all.nl> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: omnioutliner-users-admin@omnigroup.com Errors-To: omnioutliner-users-admin@omnigroup.com X-BeenThere: omnioutliner-users@omnigroup.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.6 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: OmniOutliner Users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri Jan 4 05:35:59 2002 X-Original-Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 08:35:13 -0500 on 02-01-04 7:33 AM, Jan M.J. Storms at jan@storms.org wrote: > Any plans for OPML support? > > I second the motion. Dave Winer has developed a habit of creating standards that have some staying power, and he indicated a couple of days ago on DaveNet that he plans to push OPML hard this year. It seems like it would be a useful thing to have in OmniOutliner -- complete with AppleScript support, of course. -- Bill Cheeseman - wjcheeseman@earthlink.net Quechee Software, Quechee, Vermont, USA http://www.quecheesoftware.com The AppleScript Sourcebook - http://www.AppleScriptSourcebook.com Vermont Recipes - http://www.stepwise.com/Articles/VermontRecipes Croquet Club of Vermont - http://members.valley.net/croquetvermont From phyax@mac.com Fri Jan 4 06:06:27 2002 Received: from smtpout.mac.com ([204.179.120.85]) by omnigroup.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id GAA17600; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 06:06:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp-relay01.mac.com (server-source-si02 [10.13.10.6]) by smtpout.mac.com (8.12.1/8.10.2/1.0) with ESMTP id g04E6PRn023139; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 06:06:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from asmtp02.mac.com ([10.13.10.66]) by smtp-relay01.mac.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15 relay01 Jun 21 2001 23:53:48) with ESMTP id GPF36P00.5YS; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 06:06:25 -0800 Received: from nat-ibook.lgosys.com ([198.142.115.235]) by asmtp02.mac.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15 asmtp02 Jun 21 2001 23:53:48) with ESMTP id GPF36N00.BDV; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 06:06:23 -0800 Subject: More ideas (was: Re: Feature request) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v480) Cc: Greg Titus To: OmniOutliner Users From: Nathan Kelley In-Reply-To: <87F7B218-009E-11D6-A447-003065B22C50@omnigroup.com> Message-Id: <38EDB558-011C-11D6-992B-00039309293E@mac.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.480) Sender: omnioutliner-users-admin@omnigroup.com Errors-To: omnioutliner-users-admin@omnigroup.com X-BeenThere: omnioutliner-users@omnigroup.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.6 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: OmniOutliner Users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri Jan 4 06:07:00 2002 X-Original-Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 01:06:17 +1100 To OmniOutliner Users , >> From: Tim Hurson , > From: Greg Titus >> One of the things I really loved about MORE was the ability to split a >> bullet into two with command return, and ocversely to concatenate two >> bullets with command delete. Any chance OmniOutliner will be adding >> those functions soon? > > I've just added the first half of this feature (splitting), and it > occurs to me that it might be more natural to simply make return do > this (instead of command-return). > > (1) If you were editing plain text and hit return in the middle of a > line, it'd split the rest of the line onto a new line - this is what > people generally expect to happen with the return key. (2) Microsoft > Word outlines work this way. (3) We already have command-return used to > insert a newline in the current item. > > Is anyone attached to the current behavior of return -- simply adding a > new item despite where your selection is? Anyone have any arguments > against a change? > > On another note, what would you expect to happen if you did a > command-delete to concatenate when you were working with a document > with multiple columns? My first impulse is to concatenate the contents > of the column that you are in with the same column in the previous row, > but only delete the row if all other columns are empty, if not leaving > the rest of the row as is. I.e.: > > * xyz 1 > * abc 2 > > turns into: > > * xyzabc 1 > * 2 > > Instead of eliminating the second bullet point. Any thoughts? IMHO it's all good, although I'd like to expand on this a little: You could also map the [Enter] key to insert a new item without splitting, even if editing text at the time. AFAIK all MacOS-X-capable Macintoshes should have a keyboard that has both a [Return] and an [Enter]. I would like the option to switch these under the Keyboard pane in preferences, as I would prefer to use [Return] to insert new items and [Enter] to split, but the above behaviour as you suggested would be the default. Additional ideas to allow for powerful concatenation (these are NOT feature requests, just ideas posted for discussion that might be worth implementing): - [Shift]+[Delete] key (backwards delete) to concatenate all text after the cursor of the field being currently edited into the same field in the previous item. If used on an item when not being edited, concatenates text of all fields to equivalent fields in the previous item. - [Shift]+[Del>] key (forwards delete) to concatenate all text before the cursor of the field being currently edited into the same field in the previous item. If used on an item when not being edited, concatenates text of all fields to equivalent fields in the previous item. - Use of [Option] as part of the above combinations allows for concatenation into the next item, rather than previous. - If multiple items are selected, concatenation would occur to the first or the last item, depending what option used. If "first" or "last" were defined based on selection order, that would allow for customised concatenations. [Command]+[Return] could keep its' current function, and [Command]+[Delete] could remove the current item (currently just beeps). Note that, at least on the iBook, [Shift]+[Del>] is generated by [Fn]+[Delete]. BTW, kudos to the OmniOutliner team for excellent work on the 1.2 release! The decision to purchase a license for it was too easy :-) Cheers, Nathan. ________________________________________________ Nathan "Phyax" Kelley email | phyax@runbox.com, phyax@mac.com icq | 4618849 yahoo | phyax ________________________________________________ From kent@pondview.mv.com Fri Jan 4 09:56:41 2002 Received: from mail1.skillsoft.com (IDENT:qmailr@mail1.skillsoft.com [64.28.89.34]) by omnigroup.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA28295 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 09:56:41 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 20314 invoked by uid 505); 4 Jan 2002 17:57:25 -0000 Received: from kent@pondview.mv.com by mail1.skillsoft.com with qmail-scanner-0.93 (uvscan: v4.1.20/v4178. . Clean. Processed in 0.104194 secs); 04/01/2002 12:57:25 Received: from unknown (HELO ?10.0.2.108?) ([10.0.2.108]) (envelope-sender ) by mail1.skillsoft.com (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 4 Jan 2002 17:57:25 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: pondview-ke@mail.mv.net Message-Id: To: omnioutliner-users@omnigroup.com From: Kent Johnson Subject: Feature requests from an Acta user Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: omnioutliner-users-admin@omnigroup.com Errors-To: omnioutliner-users-admin@omnigroup.com X-BeenThere: omnioutliner-users@omnigroup.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.6 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: OmniOutliner Users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri Jan 4 09:57:00 2002 X-Original-Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 12:56:38 -0500 My previous outliner is Acta. (Incidentally, it is still available from http://www.a-sharp.com/acta/ and runs fine in Classic.) I miss two command keys: - Cmd-D (daughter) makes a new item indented under the current item, same as Return + tab in OO - Cmd-A (aunt) makes a new item out one level from the current item, same as Return + shift-tab in OO It's very nice to have these as single keystrokes. Another handy Acta feature is, if you have a multi-line item, you can hide all but the first line by option-clicking on the triangle. Finally, is there any chance of supporting direct import of Acta files? (without having to export as text from Acta?) The file format is supposed to be documented at http://www.mactech.com/articles/mactech/Vol.04/04.01/FormatDriver/index.html though that link is not working right now. Kent P.S. I am used to Acta behavior of Return, it makes a new empty item without splitting the current item. Shift-Return puts a line break in the current item while option-return splits the item at the insertion point. From kent@pondview.mv.com Fri Jan 4 10:04:32 2002 Received: from mail1.skillsoft.com (IDENT:qmailr@mail1.skillsoft.com [64.28.89.34]) by omnigroup.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA28620 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 10:04:31 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 25093 invoked by uid 505); 4 Jan 2002 18:05:12 -0000 Received: from kent@pondview.mv.com by mail1.skillsoft.com with qmail-scanner-0.93 (uvscan: v4.1.20/v4178. . Clean. Processed in 0.10014 secs); 04/01/2002 13:05:12 Received: from unknown (HELO ?10.0.2.108?) ([10.0.2.108]) (envelope-sender ) by mail1.skillsoft.com (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 4 Jan 2002 18:05:12 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: pondview-ke@mail.mv.net Message-Id: To: omnioutliner-users@omnigroup.com From: Kent Johnson Subject: Usage questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: omnioutliner-users-admin@omnigroup.com Errors-To: omnioutliner-users-admin@omnigroup.com X-BeenThere: omnioutliner-users@omnigroup.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.6 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: OmniOutliner Users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri Jan 4 10:05:04 2002 X-Original-Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 13:04:25 -0500 What is the difference between move left and outdent? Between move right and indent? What are group and ungroup for? Thanks, Kent From steve@redmonk.net Fri Jan 4 10:44:45 2002 Received: from macrobyteresources.com (mail.macrobyte.net [204.250.119.23]) by omnigroup.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA00536 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 10:44:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (12.39.150.6) by macrobyteresources.com with ESMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 3.0) for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 13:44:36 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v480) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: Help - AppleScript, walking an outline From: Steve Ivy To: omnioutliner-users@omnigroup.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <144FDEF4-0143-11D6-B02C-00039358129E@redmonk.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.480) Sender: omnioutliner-users-admin@omnigroup.com Errors-To: omnioutliner-users-admin@omnigroup.com X-BeenThere: omnioutliner-users@omnigroup.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.6 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: OmniOutliner Users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri Jan 4 10:45:01 2002 X-Original-Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 11:44:26 -0700 Firstly, I really appreciate the level of support for AppleScript already in OO. However (unless this changed immediately prior to the final release of 1.2) there is no way to get the children of an outline heading. I need to be able to walk the hierarchy, and get the children of a particular node. I'm not explaining this well, maybe some pseudo-code would help... tell app OO set outText for cNode in the children of the root of document 1 (*top level elements*) set outText to outText & "
    " & (the title of cNode) for ccNode in the children of cNode set outText to outText & "
  • " & (the title of ccNode) end end end tell This is a silly example, I know... but I have not been able to make something like this work. The thing seems to be that "the children of the root of document 1" returns a list of "application 'OmniOutliner'" items. Now, I'm no expert in AppleScript, but I'm confused (as is probably obvious by now.) If anyone can decipher what I'm trying to say here, and has a clue as to what I can do to solve this, I would be grateful. --Steve Ivy, outline lover From larry@pdxlaw.com Fri Jan 4 15:23:59 2002 Received: from pdxlaw.pdxlaw.com (mail.pdxlaw.com [216.161.55.249]) by omnigroup.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA17595 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 15:23:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost ([192.168.1.28]) by pdxlaw.pdxlaw.com (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id QAA22182 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 16:13:29 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v480) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: numbering; and return key From: Lawrence Matasar To: omnioutliner-users@omnigroup.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <1DFC73E5-016A-11D6-A9DB-00306571CDEE@pdxlaw.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.480) Sender: omnioutliner-users-admin@omnigroup.com Errors-To: omnioutliner-users-admin@omnigroup.com X-BeenThere: omnioutliner-users@omnigroup.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.6 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: OmniOutliner Users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri Jan 4 15:24:00 2002 X-Original-Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 15:23:53 -0800 I'm a longtime MORE user (also PCOutline and ThinkTank), that has just discovered this list. So pardon me if I'm going over old ground, but the main thing that I miss between MORE and OmniOutliner is MORE's ability to add numbers to the outlines, especially the "Harvard" numbering system: I A 1. a. etc. Such numbering is practically essential when navigating through big outlines, especially if they've been printed out. It would be a great addition to OmniOutliner. Also, as far as the recent discussion over the return key, I may be in the minority, but I greatly prefer the MORE approach in which hitting return adds a new item wherever the cursor is. In fact, on the rare occasions when I've tried "outliners," in word processors, such as the one in Word, this is the missing MORE feature that I first noticed. Command-return or option-return seems like a better approach for splitting the entry at the cursor. From greg@omnigroup.com Fri Jan 4 15:41:13 2002 Received: from localhost (tauros.toon.omnigroup.com [209.180.166.93]) by omnigroup.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA18360; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 15:41:12 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: numbering; and return key Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v480) Cc: omnioutliner-users@omnigroup.com To: Lawrence Matasar From: Greg Titus In-Reply-To: <1DFC73E5-016A-11D6-A9DB-00306571CDEE@pdxlaw.com> Message-Id: <880BCEA4-016C-11D6-A447-003065B22C50@omnigroup.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.480) Sender: omnioutliner-users-admin@omnigroup.com Errors-To: omnioutliner-users-admin@omnigroup.com X-BeenThere: omnioutliner-users@omnigroup.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.6 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: OmniOutliner Users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri Jan 4 15:42:00 2002 X-Original-Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 15:41:10 -0800 On Friday, January 4, 2002, at 03:23 PM, Lawrence Matasar wrote: > I'm a longtime MORE user (also PCOutline and ThinkTank), that has > just discovered this list. So pardon me if I'm going over old ground, > but the main thing that I miss between MORE and OmniOutliner is MORE's > ability to add numbers to the outlines, especially the "Harvard" > numbering system: > I > A > 1. > a. > > etc. > > Such numbering is practically essential when navigating through > big outlines, especially if they've been printed out. It would be a > great addition to OmniOutliner. Hi Lawrence, The UI for setting the numbering isn't there in the currently released version, but this stuff has been implemented and you'll see it in the next release. The options are legal (1, 1.1, 1.1.2), letters (a, b, c), numeric (1, 2, 3), and roman (I, II, III), in upper or lowercase and with your choice of prefix and postfix (i.e. following "."s or parenthesis or whatever). At the moment we haven't implemented automatic combinations of styles so you'd have to set those four levels individually for Harvard style, but that is certainly planned. > Also, as far as the recent discussion over the return key, I may > be in the minority, but I greatly prefer the MORE approach in which > hitting return adds a new item wherever the cursor is. In fact, on the > rare occasions when I've tried "outliners," in word processors, such > as the one in Word, this is the missing MORE feature that I first > noticed. Command-return or option-return seems like a better approach > for splitting the entry at the cursor. Thanks for the feedback. I guess we might end up needing a preference for this... --Greg From jan@storms.org Sat Jan 5 00:13:14 2002 Received: from smtpzilla2.xs4all.nl (smtpzilla2.xs4all.nl [194.109.127.138]) by omnigroup.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA08070 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 00:13:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.0.0.151] (storms.xs4all.nl [213.84.106.129]) by smtpzilla2.xs4all.nl (8.12.0/8.12.0) with ESMTP id g058D9F4021602 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 09:13:10 +0100 (CET) From: "Jan M.J. Storms" To: OmniOutliner-Users mail Subject: More from MORE Message-Id: <20020105081304.24960@smtp.xs4all.nl> X-Mailer: CTM PowerMail 3.1.1 carbon MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: omnioutliner-users-admin@omnigroup.com Errors-To: omnioutliner-users-admin@omnigroup.com X-BeenThere: omnioutliner-users@omnigroup.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.6 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: OmniOutliner Users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat Jan 5 00:14:00 2002 X-Original-Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 09:13:03 +0100 Some other things we miss from MORE: - comments (not a good name I think; in Frontier outlines it is the refcon?), but it is the text/pictures hidden in a header, and accessed with enter or shift-enter; - pictures mixed in text; - rules. If it would all be in OmniOutliner, we could *work* with those MORE-files in OmniOutliner. I have written books in MORE. The ability to hide and show detail is an enormous asset. Sincerely, Jan M.J. Storms, M.A. >---------------------------------------------------------------------< STORMS W A T P scientific advice, training & process coaching Kempstraat 22rd, 2023 ES Haarlem, the Netherlands tel. +31 (23) 529 91 61 Web: - ePost >---------------------------------------------------------------------< From khr@earthlink.net Sat Jan 5 19:18:37 2002 Received: from falcon.prod.itd.earthlink.net (falcon.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.74]) by omnigroup.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA11418 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 19:18:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from evrtwa1-ar4-004-004.elnk.dsl.gtei.net ([4.35.4.4]) by falcon.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16N3pT-0005Y2-00 for omnioutliner-users@omnigroup.com; Sat, 05 Jan 2002 19:18:35 -0800 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1331 Subject: Re: More ideas (was: Re: Feature request) From: Robert Westmoreland To: OmniOutliner Users Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <38EDB558-011C-11D6-992B-00039309293E@mac.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: omnioutliner-users-admin@omnigroup.com Errors-To: omnioutliner-users-admin@omnigroup.com X-BeenThere: omnioutliner-users@omnigroup.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.6 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: OmniOutliner Users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat Jan 5 19:19:01 2002 X-Original-Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 11:01:01 -0800 I'll add a vote for letting [Return] and [Enter] have different functions. I'm rather used to what the [Return] key does now, and was not really in favor of changing it, but did not have a good alternative suggestion. However, the suggestion below looks ideal. -- Robert > From: Nathan Kelley > Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 01:06:17 +1100 > To: OmniOutliner Users > Cc: Greg Titus > Subject: More ideas (was: Re: Feature request) > > You could also map the [Enter] key to insert a new item without > splitting, even if editing text at the time. AFAIK all MacOS-X-capable > Macintoshes should have a keyboard that has both a [Return] and an > [Enter]. I would like the option to switch these under the Keyboard pane > in preferences, as I would prefer to use [Return] to insert new items > and [Enter] to split, but the above behaviour as you suggested would be > the default. From jsp@designframe.com Sun Jan 6 10:24:22 2002 Received: from designframe.com ([166.84.154.55]) by omnigroup.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA05566 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 10:24:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.0.142] (166.84.159.54) by designframe.com with ESMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 3.0.3); Sun, 6 Jan 2002 13:23:51 -0500 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1309 Subject: Re: Help - AppleScript, walking an outline From: James Spahr To: Steve Ivy , Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <144FDEF4-0143-11D6-B02C-00039358129E@redmonk.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: omnioutliner-users-admin@omnigroup.com Errors-To: omnioutliner-users-admin@omnigroup.com X-BeenThere: omnioutliner-users@omnigroup.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.6 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: OmniOutliner Users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun Jan 6 10:25:02 2002 X-Original-Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 13:23:50 -0500 > Firstly, I really appreciate the level of support for AppleScript > already in OO. However (unless this changed immediately prior to the > final release of 1.2) there is no way to get the children of an outline > heading. I need to be able to walk the hierarchy, and get the children > of a particular node. Steve I've just noticed a AS behavior change in OO 1.2 The item ID numbers in an outline are now sequential, so you can step through an outline one item at a time and the order will be correct. Previously the item number of a line would live with the line object (so when lines were rearranged, this method would not work) HTH James. From jsp@designframe.com Sun Jan 6 11:20:21 2002 Received: from designframe.com ([166.84.154.55]) by omnigroup.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA07037 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 11:20:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.0.142] (166.84.159.54) by designframe.com with ESMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 3.0.3) for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 14:19:51 -0500 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1309 Subject: AppleScript, walking an outline From: James Spahr To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: omnioutliner-users-admin@omnigroup.com Errors-To: omnioutliner-users-admin@omnigroup.com X-BeenThere: omnioutliner-users@omnigroup.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.6 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: OmniOutliner Users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun Jan 6 11:20:59 2002 X-Original-Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 14:19:51 -0500 > The item ID numbers in an outline are now sequential, so you can step > through an outline one item at a time and the order will be correct Example: Here's a script that will take an OO outline and re-create it in Brain Forest (so you can carry your outlines on your Palm :) ) on procOutline(docNum) -- docNum is the OO document number tell application "OmniOutliner" -- get the item count set lineCt to the count of (every item in document docNum) end tell -- Prep Brain Forest tell application "BrainForest Professional" set thebfDoc to make new document set the tree type of thebfDoc to project tell thebfDoc set show due dates to false set show numbering to false set show priorities to false set new items are action to true end tell set theBFObjs to {thebfDoc} set theBFlvl to 1 end tell repeat with i from 1 to lineCt -- walk the outline tell application "OmniOutliner" set txt to every text of item i of document docNum set lvl to level of item i of document docNum set stt to state of item i of document docNum set exp to expanded of item i of document docNum as boolean end tell -- convert the checked state verbage diffs set bfdone to false if stt is "checked" then set bfdone to true end if tell application "BrainForest Professional" -- check to see if we have indented in one level -- we'll keep the skack in a list if lvl > theBFlvl then try set item lvl of theBFObjs to newLeaf on error set theBFObjs to theBFObjs & {newLeaf} end try end if -- set the 2 outlines to be on the some level set theBFlvl to lvl set insertObj to item lvl of theBFObjs -- make a leaf in BF -- Watch the break in this email! tell insertObj to set newLeaf to make new tree item at end with properties {title:txt, action:true, done:bfdone, expanded:exp} --reveal newLeaf end tell end repeat end procOutline procOutline(1) From kent@pondview.mv.com Mon Jan 7 07:58:58 2002 Received: from mail1.skillsoft.com (IDENT:qmailr@mail1.skillsoft.com [64.28.89.34]) by omnigroup.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id HAA16508 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 07:58:57 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 19544 invoked by uid 505); 7 Jan 2002 15:59:45 -0000 Received: from kent@pondview.mv.com by mail1.skillsoft.com with qmail-scanner-0.93 (uvscan: v4.1.20/v4178. . Clean. Processed in 0.132104 secs); 07/01/2002 10:59:45 Received: from unknown (HELO ?10.0.2.108?) ([10.0.2.108]) (envelope-sender ) by mail1.skillsoft.com (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 7 Jan 2002 15:59:45 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: pondview-ke@mail.mv.net Message-Id: To: omnioutliner-users@omnigroup.com From: Kent Johnson Subject: Strange behavior of move left Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: omnioutliner-users-admin@omnigroup.com Errors-To: omnioutliner-users-admin@omnigroup.com X-BeenThere: omnioutliner-users@omnigroup.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.6 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: OmniOutliner Users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon Jan 7 07:59:02 2002 X-Original-Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 10:58:54 -0500 Given the outline - item 1 - item 2 - item 3 if I select item 2 and move left, I get - item 1 - item 2 - item 3 Item 3 is now a sub-item of item 2. I don't think this is right. Move left on item 2 should give - item 1 - item 3 - item 2 so item 2 is a peer of item 1 and item 3 is still a child of item 1. Kent From kent@pondview.mv.com Mon Jan 7 08:02:55 2002 Received: from mail1.skillsoft.com (IDENT:qmailr@mail1.skillsoft.com [64.28.89.34]) by omnigroup.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id IAA16699 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 08:02:53 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 22464 invoked by uid 505); 7 Jan 2002 16:03:37 -0000 Received: from kent@pondview.mv.com by mail1.skillsoft.com with qmail-scanner-0.93 (uvscan: v4.1.20/v4178. . Clean. Processed in 0.102805 secs); 07/01/2002 11:03:37 Received: from unknown (HELO ?10.0.2.108?) ([10.0.2.108]) (envelope-sender ) by mail1.skillsoft.com (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 7 Jan 2002 16:03:37 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: pondview-ke@mail.mv.net Message-Id: To: omnioutliner-users@omnigroup.com From: Kent Johnson Subject: Re: Feature requests from an Acta user Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: omnioutliner-users-admin@omnigroup.com Errors-To: omnioutliner-users-admin@omnigroup.com X-BeenThere: omnioutliner-users@omnigroup.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.6 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: OmniOutliner Users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon Jan 7 08:04:01 2002 X-Original-Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 11:02:46 -0500 >I miss two command keys: >- Cmd-D (daughter) makes a new item indented under the current item, >same as Return + tab in OO Actually you can't always do this with return + tab. If you have - item 1 - item 2 and you select item 1, command-D in Acta will give you - item 1 - new item - item 2 whereas return + tab will give you - item 1 - item 2 - new item OO doesn't seem to have a simple way to do the first... Kent From greg@omnigroup.com Mon Jan 7 12:33:10 2002 Received: from localhost (tauros.toon.omnigroup.com [209.180.166.93]) by omnigroup.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA28142; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 12:33:09 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Feature requests from an Acta user Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v480) Cc: omnioutliner-users@omnigroup.com To: Kent Johnson From: Greg Titus In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.480) Sender: omnioutliner-users-admin@omnigroup.com Errors-To: omnioutliner-users-admin@omnigroup.com X-BeenThere: omnioutliner-users@omnigroup.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.6 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: OmniOutliner Users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon Jan 7 12:34:03 2002 X-Original-Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 12:33:08 -0800 On Monday, January 7, 2002, at 08:02 AM, Kent Johnson wrote: >> I miss two command keys: >> - Cmd-D (daughter) makes a new item indented under the current item, >> same as Return + tab in OO > > Actually you can't always do this with return + tab. If you have > > - item 1 > - item 2 > > and you select item 1, command-D in Acta will give you > > - item 1 > - new item > - item 2 > > whereas return + tab will give you > > - item 1 > - item 2 > - new item > > OO doesn't seem to have a simple way to do the first... Yes, right now we don't. About the closest we have at the moment is shift-return to create a new item above the current item. So you'd have to hit down arrow to move down to 'item 2', then shift-return to create 'new item' in the right place. --Greg From twiebe@mac.com Mon Jan 7 12:54:57 2002 Received: from smtpout.mac.com (smtpout.mac.com [204.179.120.89]) by omnigroup.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA29069 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 12:54:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp-relay02.mac.com (server-source-si02 [10.13.10.6]) by smtpout.mac.com (8.12.1/8.10.2/1.0) with ESMTP id g07Ksuk9010653 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 12:54:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from asmtp01.mac.com ([10.13.10.65]) by smtp-relay02.mac.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15 relay02 Jun 21 2001 23:53:48) with ESMTP id GPL63K00.LDW for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 12:54:56 -0800 Received: from localhost ([207.6.134.194]) by asmtp01.mac.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15 asmtp01 Jun 21 2001 23:53:48) with ESMTP id GPL63J00.1AL for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 12:54:55 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v480) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: Omni Graffle / Omni Outliner - thoughts and suggestions From: Tom Wiebe To: omnioutliner-users@omnigroup.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.480) Sender: omnioutliner-users-admin@omnigroup.com Errors-To: omnioutliner-users-admin@omnigroup.com X-BeenThere: omnioutliner-users@omnigroup.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.6 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: OmniOutliner Users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon Jan 7 12:55:02 2002 X-Original-Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 12:54:54 -0800 Hi there, Well, I've almost completed my Omni workflow, having purchased Omni Outliner last week to go with Omnigraffle. I'd love to also purchase Omni Web but, as I'm sure you're aware, the style sheet support in it is severely broken. As soon as this is fixed, I'm so there. Thought I'd pass on some feedback on Omni Outliner and Omni Graffle, they are both EXTREMELY fabulous and have made a big impact on my workflow. Both are set as login items! That being said, they are both 1.x releases so I hope you'll appreciate a bit of constructive criticism. Graffle seems to be the most complete of the two at the moment, so I'll start with that. I've got only 1 thing that bugs me about it and a couple of suggestions for future enhancements. What really bugs me is that the tool palettes don't float and they aren't resizeable. Please add an option to make them float above your document. I'm usually using Graffle full screen, so I'm always going to the menu, toolbar or the keyboard to get my palettes back, this is rather tiresome. It'd be really nice to be able to select the box type when importing an Omni Outliner document. Sometimes, I want items to go into full sized boxes, instead of the little "name tags" that are used now. It'd also be really nice to be able to have items from different levels of an outline import with different shapes and or background colors, for easy selectability. Another thing that would be really cool would be to be able to select items by their text contents. I use Omnigraffle for planning my Lasso Development (I support all but the biggest Seattle area developers!) and use a variety of file suffixes depending on whether a file is an include, process or display file. It'd be really nice to be able to select all the boxes that contain ".lasso" via the find dialog. Omni Outliner is wonderfully infuriating for me at the moment. I've been using Brainforest Professional from www.aportis.com for the last couple of years and, if it were possible to fuse Omni Outliner and Brainforest, I'd be happier than a pig in shit. Some of the things I really like about Brainforest which are missing in Outliner are: 1. Palm integration - OK, so it's unlikely that it would make sense for you to build a palm version of Outliner, but it would be great if I could somehow get Outliner documents into From tim@timhurson.com Mon Jan 7 17:04:55 2002 Received: from tomts14-srv.bellnexxia.net (tomts14-srv.bellnexxia.net [209.226.175.35]) by omnigroup.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA11828 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 17:04:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.0.1.3] ([64.229.93.177]) by tomts14-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.16 201-229-121-116-20010115) with ESMTP id <20020108010448.TZJG20892.tomts14-srv.bellnexxia.net@[10.0.1.3]> for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 20:04:48 -0500 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.1.3108 Subject: Small Problem From: Tim Hurson To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3093278742_1822106" Sender: omnioutliner-users-admin@omnigroup.com Errors-To: omnioutliner-users-admin@omnigroup.com X-BeenThere: omnioutliner-users@omnigroup.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.6 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: OmniOutliner Users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon Jan 7 17:05:03 2002 X-Original-Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 20:05:41 -0500 > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3093278742_1822106 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Hi Gregg, I=B9m having a small problem with OO. When I select an item and want to drag it to a location that doesn=B9t appear in the current window (in other words, higher or lower than the current selection), when I get to the top (or bottom) frame of the window, I get erratic responses. Sometimes the screen just stalls, sometimes it will scroll a little, then stop. It=B9s very hard t= o get a smooth scroll while dragging an item higher up or lower down. Hope this makes sense. Tim Hurson * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * The first step toward the intellectual mastery of the world is the discovery of general principles and rules which bring order into chaos. By such mental operations we simplify the world of phenomena, but in doing so, we cannot avoid falsifying it, especially when we are dealing with processes of development and change. Sigmund Freud (1856-1939) * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *= =20 --B_3093278742_1822106 Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Small Problem Hi Gregg,

    I’m having a small problem with OO. When I select an item and want to= drag it to a location that doesn’t appear in the current window (in o= ther words, higher or lower than the current selection), when I get to the t= op (or bottom) frame of the window, I get erratic responses. Sometimes the s= creen just stalls, sometimes it will scroll a little, then stop. It’s = very hard to get a smooth scroll while dragging an item higher up or lower d= own. Hope this makes sense.

    Tim Hurson



    * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *=

    The first step toward the intellectual mastery of the world
    is the discovery of general principles and rules which bring
    order into chaos.

    By such mental operations we simplify the world of phenomena,
    but in doing so, we cannot avoid falsifying it, especially when
    we are dealing with processes of development and change.

         Sigmund Freud (1856-1939)

    * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *=
    --B_3093278742_1822106-- From cpac@mac.com Tue Jan 8 16:43:03 2002 Received: from smtpout.mac.com (smtpout.mac.com [204.179.120.88]) by omnigroup.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA09539 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 16:43:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp-relay02.mac.com (server-source-si02 [10.13.10.6]) by smtpout.mac.com (8.12.1/8.10.2/1.0) with ESMTP id g090h2D5006306 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 16:43:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from asmtp02.mac.com ([10.13.10.66]) by smtp-relay02.mac.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15 relay02 Jun 21 2001 23:53:48) with ESMTP id GPNBBQ00.5L0 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 16:43:02 -0800 Received: from pc-105.law.utah.edu ([12.254.204.246]) by asmtp02.mac.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15 asmtp02 Jun 21 2001 23:53:48) with ESMTP id GPNBBP00.46I for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 16:43:01 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v480) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: 3 feature requests From: "Ciaran P. A. Connelly" To: omnioutliner-users@omnigroup.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.480) Sender: omnioutliner-users-admin@omnigroup.com Errors-To: omnioutliner-users-admin@omnigroup.com X-BeenThere: omnioutliner-users@omnigroup.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.6 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: OmniOutliner Users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue Jan 8 16:44:14 2002 X-Original-Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 17:43:01 -0700 (1) In its current form OO puts in the file path of files dropped into outlines. Hyperlinks would be much more useful. (2) OO could also be very useful if you could put images into individual line items (3) Perhaps for version 2 (& Graffle 2.5 or something) there could be some integration between the two programs? Maybe that would be overkill, but the occasional draw element inside an outline can make things much clearer. (I've said before that between the two programs you've got a hell of a jump on a very good OmniWord) Keep up the good work... From jaharmi@mac.com Fri Jan 11 07:40:45 2002 Received: from smtpout.mac.com ([204.179.120.86]) by omnigroup.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA23088 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 07:40:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp-relay01.mac.com (server-source-si02 [10.13.10.6]) by smtpout.mac.com (8.12.1/8.10.2/1.0) with ESMTP id g0BFeiE0019016 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 07:40:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from asmtp01.mac.com ([10.13.10.65]) by smtp-relay01.mac.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15 relay01 Jun 21 2001 23:53:48) with ESMTP id GPS67W00.591 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 07:40:44 -0800 Received: from acd168a-040.rit.edu ([129.21.168.40]) by asmtp01.mac.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15 asmtp01 Jun 21 2001 23:53:48) with ESMTP id GPS67V00.98B for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 07:40:43 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v480) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: Outliner 1.2 and copy-paste text export changes From: Jeremy Reichman To: omnioutliner-users@omnigroup.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <93A7E5B2-06A9-11D6-92F8-0050E485AF48@mac.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.480) Sender: omnioutliner-users-admin@omnigroup.com Errors-To: omnioutliner-users-admin@omnigroup.com X-BeenThere: omnioutliner-users@omnigroup.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.6 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: OmniOutliner Users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri Jan 11 07:46:19 2002 X-Original-Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 10:40:44 -0500 The new Outliner 1.2 changes the way copy and paste is handled with other applications. (I noticed it because it adversely affected a slightly-scripted workflow I'd already built around OO.) I select the entire contents of an outline in OO. The outline has its status checkboxes hideen, and has no extra columns. I paste the text into BBEdit 6.5. It pastes in with each new outline line marked with a dash ("-") instead of the older version's asterisk ("*"). It also hard wraps the text to an abnormally narrow column width, which did not happen in the previous version. I have not changed any settings in BBEdit 6.5 since upgrading to OO 1.2. I also had the default preferences from OO 1.2. If I export text (a much more lengthy process) from OO, I can open it up in BBEdit 6.5 and it will more closely match the output I had before. However, this is only after I change the text export prefs in OO to use an asterisk for all levels of outlines. Also, OO seems to put an extra blank line at the beginning of the text export file. My process depends upon the previous text-pasting behavior of OO, to the extent that I have BBEdit doing some grep searching and replacing on each line. Unless I change the prefs back to match what OO did naturally before, and then to a text export, my AppleScripting needs to be modified. Grepping the text output from OO by default is now more involved, because each outline line can start with a different character. I can't really test this change when pasting to TextEdit, because it appears to paste according to the RTF export preferences (it has triangles and stuff). Pasting into Word v.X also seems to follow the RTF export prefs, but loses the triangles in the process -- instead, I get just a double-quote mark in the AppleGothic font. Anyway, I don't care as much about TextEdit or Word right now, because they aren't in this workflow that I've built. My idea for how to work with this: - make the cut/copy action exactly mimic the output of the current text/RTF export settings, as it seemed to do before in OO 1.1 - allow multiple saved sets of export prefs for text and RTF - include a saved set for text and RTF that does what OO 1.1 did (which was simpler for exports) - include a saved set for text and RTF that does what OO 1.2, because obviously this is desired by some - let the user save sets of export settings, appropriate for different jobs - let the user choose the saved set for text/RTF exports in the export dialog - allow the saved set configuration to be called when AppleScripting a "export as" or cut/copy action, so that AppleScripters can precisely define how they want the data exported - allow on-demand change of the text/RTF settings when doing an AppleScripted "export as" or cut/copy action, so that a saved set does not have to be present (which helps when distributing scripts to others) Thanks! For now, I think I'll be reverting back to OO 1.1 because it was simpler for my work. -- Jeremy Reichman From kent@pondview.mv.com Fri Jan 11 13:11:13 2002 Received: from mail1.skillsoft.com (IDENT:qmailr@mail1.skillsoft.com [64.28.89.34]) by omnigroup.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id NAA08158 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 13:11:06 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 837 invoked by uid 505); 11 Jan 2002 21:11:40 -0000 Received: from kent@pondview.mv.com by mail1.skillsoft.com with qmail-scanner-0.93 (uvscan: v4.1.20/v4178. . Clean. Processed in 0.111672 secs); 11/01/2002 16:11:40 Received: from unknown (HELO ?10.0.2.108?) ([10.0.2.108]) (envelope-sender ) by mail1.skillsoft.com (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 11 Jan 2002 21:11:40 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: pondview-ke@mail.mv.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <93A7E5B2-06A9-11D6-92F8-0050E485AF48@mac.com> References: <93A7E5B2-06A9-11D6-92F8-0050E485AF48@mac.com> To: omnioutliner-users@omnigroup.com From: Kent Johnson Subject: Re: Outliner 1.2 and copy-paste text export changes Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: omnioutliner-users-admin@omnigroup.com Errors-To: omnioutliner-users-admin@omnigroup.com X-BeenThere: omnioutliner-users@omnigroup.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.6 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: OmniOutliner Users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri Jan 11 13:12:04 2002 X-Original-Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 16:10:53 -0500 At 10:40 AM -0500 1/11/02, Jeremy Reichman wrote: >The new Outliner 1.2 changes the way copy and paste is handled with >other applications. (I noticed it because it adversely affected a >slightly-scripted workflow I'd already built around OO.) > >I select the entire contents of an outline in OO. The outline has >its status checkboxes hideen, and has no extra columns. > >I paste the text into BBEdit 6.5. It pastes in with each new outline >line marked with a dash ("-") instead of the older version's >asterisk ("*"). It also hard wraps the text to an abnormally narrow >column width, which did not happen in the previous version. You can make the wrap width wider by setting it in the 'show column info' window. If you make it big enough it will not wrap. I think that outlines without columns shouldn't wrap at all. Kent From jdd@efn.org Fri Jan 11 23:41:18 2002 Received: from albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net (albatross.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.120]) by omnigroup.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA08629 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 23:41:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from user-vcauqot.dsl.mindspring.com ([216.175.107.29] helo=cube) by albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16PImz-0000Xk-00 for omnioutliner-users@omnigroup.com; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 23:41:17 -0800 From: John David Duncan X-Sender: To: Subject: small iDisk bug Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: omnioutliner-users-admin@omnigroup.com Errors-To: omnioutliner-users-admin@omnigroup.com X-BeenThere: omnioutliner-users@omnigroup.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.6 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: OmniOutliner Users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri Jan 11 23:42:00 2002 X-Original-Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 23:41:42 -0800 (PST) I have an Outliner file on my iDisk that I access from two different machines. Apparently, if I open the application without the iDisk mounted (i.e. visible on the desktop), this file disappears from the list of recent documents under "Open Recent." Can anything be done to improve that? - JD From bcovey@omnigroup.com Wed Jan 16 14:36:44 2002 Received: from gengar (gengar.omnigroup.com [198.151.161.75]) by omnigroup.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA29244 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 14:36:44 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v480) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: Casting Call From: Brian Covey To: omnioutliner-users@omnigroup.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <847A1771-0AD1-11D6-8ED5-00050209C5D2@omnigroup.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.480) Sender: omnioutliner-users-admin@omnigroup.com Errors-To: omnioutliner-users-admin@omnigroup.com X-BeenThere: omnioutliner-users@omnigroup.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.6 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: OmniOutliner Users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed Jan 16 14:37:01 2002 X-Original-Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 14:36:43 -0800 We're looking to bring on another tech support person here fairly quickly, and our mailing lists seem like the best place to start looking, really. Everybody here has more than demonstrated that they're knowledgeable, willing to help others, and above all articulate, which are some very important traits when it comes to doing the support thing, really. =) That said, we want to move really, really quickly on this; we've made a more aggressive commitment to support registered users of our products, and I want to be sure that we can fulfill that commitment. This is what we're looking for: (And this is above and beyond what's covered under the pages at - definitely read those pages before you send us anything) *Near-immediate availability. Ideally, you'd be able to start tomorrow. If you can start in two weeks, that's acceptable. Much beyond that is going to reduce your chances considerably. *The above condition obviously means that we'll mostly be drawing from candidates we get in the Seattle Metro area. We can't offer you relocation assistance, and we aren't hiring people who want to work as independent contractors, or at remote sites. *Experience with Mac OS X and Omni Group products. Anyone on this mailing list should have no trouble with this one. =) * Prior experience in Tech Support is a plus, but not necessarily required, if you can demonstrate that you've got what it takes to explain the unexplainable, decipher the undecipherable, and to soothe the brow of the angriest customer on his worst day. * Willingness to commit to working Tech Support indefinitely. While we would never rule out the possibility of advancement, what we have a need for now are dedicated and hard-working support folk that are in this for the long haul. We don't want to hire someone who really wants to be an engineer and who's going to be unhappy working tech support. So, if you're interested, send your resume along with a cover letter laying out your availability and salary requirements to resumes@omnigroup.com before this Friday. Please don't respond to this address with your submissions. We'll look at the resume mailbox this weekend and start contacting folks very soon. Sincerely, Brian Covey Support Manager Omni Group From khr@earthlink.net Sat Jan 19 14:00:19 2002 Received: from pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net (pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.122]) by omnigroup.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA08504 for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 14:00:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from evrtwa1-ar4-004-030.elnk.dsl.gtei.net ([4.35.4.30]) by pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16S3X8-0000yt-00 for omnioutliner-users@omnigroup.com; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 14:00:18 -0800 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1331 Subject: open in OmniGraffle From: Robert Westmoreland To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: omnioutliner-users-admin@omnigroup.com Errors-To: omnioutliner-users-admin@omnigroup.com X-BeenThere: omnioutliner-users@omnigrou