From jpage at omnigroup.com Fri Jan 11 15:16:50 2008 From: jpage at omnigroup.com (Joel Page) Date: Fri Jan 11 15:16:52 2008 Subject: OmniGraffle 5.0 beta 5 is now available Message-ID: Oh, I know what you're asking yourself: "What happened to beta 4?" Well, that particular release wound up on the CD that we're taking down to Macworld, so if you really want to see it, you'll just have to come down and visit us at the booth. That said, this beta, this beta that is numbered 5, and not numbered 4, has many fixes inside of it, along with those things that were in the beta numbered 4, so I guess you don't really have to come to San Francisco after all. (but we'd like it if you did) However, what this beta that is numbered 5 does not have are localizations, I'm afraid. They're almost complete but we've run into a snag where the disk images wound up being ginormous, so this go around it's English-only. Go, see, download, enjoy! Joel Page Product Manager, OmniGraffle The Omni Group From rcobleigh at gmail.com Sat Jan 12 04:14:26 2008 From: rcobleigh at gmail.com (Rachel Cobleigh) Date: Sat Jan 12 04:14:29 2008 Subject: OmniGraffle 5.0 beta 5 is now available In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <15300b5e0801120414x70153062qadfef46fcc2a10b4@mail.gmail.com> Nice job on replacing the specific region fields' text labels (i.e, "X", "Y", "Width", "Height") with easy-to-understand icons! On Jan 11, 2008 6:16 PM, Joel Page wrote: > Oh, I know what you're asking yourself: > > "What happened to beta 4?" > > Well, that particular release wound up on the CD that we're taking > down to Macworld, so if you really want to see it, you'll just have to > come down and visit us at the booth. > > That said, this beta, this beta that is numbered 5, and not numbered > 4, has many fixes inside of it, along with those things that were in > the beta numbered 4, so I guess you don't really have to come to San > Francisco after all. (but we'd like it if you did) > > However, what this beta that is numbered 5 does not have are > localizations, I'm afraid. They're almost complete but we've run into > a snag where the disk images wound up being ginormous, so this go > around it's English-only. > > Go, see, download, enjoy! > > > > > Joel Page > Product Manager, OmniGraffle > The Omni Group > > > _______________________________________________ > OmniGraffle-Users mailing list > OmniGraffle-Users@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnigraffle-users > From jpage at omnigroup.com Thu Jan 24 09:39:16 2008 From: jpage at omnigroup.com (Joel Page) Date: Thu Jan 24 09:39:18 2008 Subject: OmniGraffle 5.0 beta 6 is now available Message-ID: <89CCCBAC-D216-45C9-864F-589194968A90@omnigroup.com> The dust has settled after the Macworld Expo, and from that chaotic return a new beta release of OmniGraffle 5 has emerged, much like a Phoenix rising from the ashes. Well, not so much like that, but I like to make my life as exciting as possible. The big news is that localizations are in place now, there are still a few strings left to be translated yet the application and the Help files are now localized into the seven Tier 1 languages. Speaking of big, due to the localizations, the downloadable disk images are considerably larger than they had been before (more than twice the size!), as a result we've added English-only downloads in the sidebar of the beta page. Aside from all that, a couple of crashes fixed, some more bugs addressed, and we move ever forward to a final release. Please, go and download, and enjoy! Joel Page Product Manager, OmniGraffle The Omni Group From jpage at omnigroup.com Fri Jan 25 09:45:48 2008 From: jpage at omnigroup.com (Joel Page) Date: Fri Jan 25 09:45:57 2008 Subject: Some questions about the Cisco stencils for Visio Message-ID: <1FE96A04-5AFD-4BF9-BBF5-54ACD682BCA4@omnigroup.com> (I've cross posted this to the OmniGraffle Extras forum as well, just as an FYI) As we work more at bettering our Visio support, one singular fact has presented itself: Lots of people really really need to make use of the rather large library of Cisco stencils that are already available for Visio. One of the problems that presents itself here in regard to that is that the large majority of those stencils are making use of the Enhanced MetaFile format (EMF), which OmniGraffle Professional currently does not parse. We are currently discussing talking to the folks who wrote the Visio binary file format parser for us to tackle this issue, in the meantime I am considering undertaking the task of creating these Cisco stencils for OmniGraffle (more or less from scratch), however I do have some questions... I have seen a number of existing Cisco stencils for OmniGraffle that are fairly abstract, as shown here: I also notice that the actual Cisco stencils in Visio are far more complex and detailed such as: So, the question is: Which of these styles are needed by the Graffle community most? My guess is that it's the latter, but before I start working on my gameplan here I need to know what direction I'm heading in. Please let me know here or over in the forum thread, and thanks! Joel Page Product Manager, OmniGraffle The Omni Group From abid at tyrann.net Sat Jan 26 14:46:14 2008 From: abid at tyrann.net (Abid Khwaja) Date: Sat Jan 26 15:46:39 2008 Subject: Some questions about the Cisco stencils for Visio In-Reply-To: <1FE96A04-5AFD-4BF9-BBF5-54ACD682BCA4@omnigroup.com> References: <1FE96A04-5AFD-4BF9-BBF5-54ACD682BCA4@omnigroup.com> Message-ID: <87F28086-F699-44EB-BFDB-F9FDD383B351@tyrann.net> Both actually. We use the abstract ones to create and document the overall network or network segments and the detailed hardware ones for the documentation of specific device hardware configurations. This is not limited to Cisco gear - we use detailed IBM hardware stencils to document server hardware configurations. I would love to drop the use of Visio for all this work. On Jan 25, 2008, at 12:45 PM, Joel Page wrote: > (I've cross posted this to the OmniGraffle Extras forum as well, > just as an FYI) > > As we work more at bettering our Visio support, one singular fact > has presented itself: Lots of people really really need to make use > of the rather large library of Cisco stencils that are already > available for Visio. > > One of the problems that presents itself here in regard to that is > that the large majority of those stencils are making use of the > Enhanced MetaFile format (EMF), which OmniGraffle Professional > currently does not parse. We are currently discussing talking to the > folks who wrote the Visio binary file format parser for us to tackle > this issue, in the meantime I am considering undertaking the task of > creating these Cisco stencils for OmniGraffle (more or less from > scratch), however I do have some questions... > > I have seen a number of existing Cisco stencils for OmniGraffle that > are fairly abstract, as shown here: > > > > I also notice that the actual Cisco stencils in Visio are far more > complex and detailed such as: > > > > So, the question is: Which of these styles are needed by the Graffle > community most? > > My guess is that it's the latter, but before I start working on my > gameplan here I need to know what direction I'm heading in. > > Please let me know here or over in the forum thread, and thanks! > > > Joel Page > Product Manager, OmniGraffle > The Omni Group > > > _______________________________________________ > OmniGraffle-Users mailing list > OmniGraffle-Users@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnigraffle-users > From net at canicula.com Sat Jan 26 16:03:21 2008 From: net at canicula.com (Ian Robinson) Date: Sat Jan 26 16:03:31 2008 Subject: Some questions about the Cisco stencils for Visio In-Reply-To: <87F28086-F699-44EB-BFDB-F9FDD383B351@tyrann.net> Message-ID: On 26/01/2008 22:46, "Abid Khwaja" wrote: > Both actually. We use the abstract ones to create and document the > overall network or network segments and the detailed hardware ones for > the documentation of specific device hardware configurations. This is > not limited to Cisco gear - we use detailed IBM hardware stencils to > document server hardware configurations. I would love to drop the use > of Visio for all this work. I agree. Both would be best. On a server front we use HP and Dell servers with VMware. Stencils with HP and Dell server images would be good. I have a partial HP stencil that needs updating at the URL below if anyone is interested: Ian --? Ian Robinson - Belfast - UK Soapbox - From bob at cdsinc.com Sun Jan 27 21:04:50 2008 From: bob at cdsinc.com (Bob Cunningham) Date: Sun Jan 27 21:10:38 2008 Subject: Some questions about the Cisco stencils for Visio In-Reply-To: <87F28086-F699-44EB-BFDB-F9FDD383B351@tyrann.net> References: <1FE96A04-5AFD-4BF9-BBF5-54ACD682BCA4@omnigroup.com> <87F28086-F699-44EB-BFDB-F9FDD383B351@tyrann.net> Message-ID: <1076ADD3-1489-4198-9D1B-7802C37AB37D@cdsinc.com> On Jan 26, 2008, at 12:46 PM, Abid Khwaja wrote: > Both actually. We use the abstract ones to create and document the > overall network or network segments and the detailed hardware ones > for the documentation of specific device hardware configurations. > This is not limited to Cisco gear - we use detailed IBM hardware > stencils to document server hardware configurations. I would love > to drop the use of Visio for all this work Both, for essentially the same reasons: simple abstract icons for planning & general documentation, detailed ones for detailed documentation. I'm primarily interested in the Cisco images, but colleagues I know who also use Omnigraffle would appreciate various brands of server icons as well. From bocasdel at earthlink.net Mon Jan 28 19:02:00 2008 From: bocasdel at earthlink.net (Chenoa Osayande) Date: Mon Jan 28 19:02:14 2008 Subject: Some questions about the Cisco stencils for Visio In-Reply-To: <1FE96A04-5AFD-4BF9-BBF5-54ACD682BCA4@omnigroup.com> References: <1FE96A04-5AFD-4BF9-BBF5-54ACD682BCA4@omnigroup.com> Message-ID: <79CD791B-7F12-4FEE-B2AD-DBFEE9C15965@earthlink.net> Joel- Yes, the latter would much more useful! Chenoa On Jan 25, 2008, at 12:45 PM, Joel Page wrote: > (I've cross posted this to the OmniGraffle Extras forum as well, > just as an FYI) > > As we work more at bettering our Visio support, one singular fact > has presented itself: Lots of people really really need to make use > of the rather large library of Cisco stencils that are already > available for Visio. > > One of the problems that presents itself here in regard to that is > that the large majority of those stencils are making use of the > Enhanced MetaFile format (EMF), which OmniGraffle Professional > currently does not parse. We are currently discussing talking to the > folks who wrote the Visio binary file format parser for us to tackle > this issue, in the meantime I am considering undertaking the task of > creating these Cisco stencils for OmniGraffle (more or less from > scratch), however I do have some questions... > > I have seen a number of existing Cisco stencils for OmniGraffle that > are fairly abstract, as shown here: > > > > I also notice that the actual Cisco stencils in Visio are far more > complex and detailed such as: > > > > So, the question is: Which of these styles are needed by the Graffle > community most? > > My guess is that it's the latter, but before I start working on my > gameplan here I need to know what direction I'm heading in. > > Please let me know here or over in the forum thread, and thanks! > > > Joel Page > Product Manager, OmniGraffle > The Omni Group > > > _______________________________________________ > OmniGraffle-Users mailing list > OmniGraffle-Users@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnigraffle-users From jpage at omnigroup.com Fri Feb 1 13:24:30 2008 From: jpage at omnigroup.com (Joel Page) Date: Fri Feb 1 13:24:35 2008 Subject: Some questions about the Cisco stencils for Visio In-Reply-To: <87F28086-F699-44EB-BFDB-F9FDD383B351@tyrann.net> References: <1FE96A04-5AFD-4BF9-BBF5-54ACD682BCA4@omnigroup.com> <87F28086-F699-44EB-BFDB-F9FDD383B351@tyrann.net> Message-ID: <128FFA51-CA70-4220-AC01-AD44AA4B57FB@omnigroup.com> A question for those wanting the "abstract" versions: - How would you like them to be labeled? Via a text object grouped, offset text in the shape, or in a note? Joel On Jan 26, 2008, at 2:46 PM, Abid Khwaja wrote: > Both actually. We use the abstract ones to create and document the > overall network or network segments and the detailed hardware ones > for the documentation of specific device hardware configurations. > This is not limited to Cisco gear - we use detailed IBM hardware > stencils to document server hardware configurations. I would love > to drop the use of Visio for all this work. > > > On Jan 25, 2008, at 12:45 PM, Joel Page wrote: > >> (I've cross posted this to the OmniGraffle Extras forum as well, >> just as an FYI) >> >> As we work more at bettering our Visio support, one singular fact >> has presented itself: Lots of people really really need to make use >> of the rather large library of Cisco stencils that are already >> available for Visio. >> >> One of the problems that presents itself here in regard to that is >> that the large majority of those stencils are making use of the >> Enhanced MetaFile format (EMF), which OmniGraffle Professional >> currently does not parse. We are currently discussing talking to >> the folks who wrote the Visio binary file format parser for us to >> tackle this issue, in the meantime I am considering undertaking the >> task of creating these Cisco stencils for OmniGraffle (more or less >> from scratch), however I do have some questions... >> >> I have seen a number of existing Cisco stencils for OmniGraffle >> that are fairly abstract, as shown here: >> >> >> >> I also notice that the actual Cisco stencils in Visio are far more >> complex and detailed such as: >> >> >> >> So, the question is: Which of these styles are needed by the >> Graffle community most? >> >> My guess is that it's the latter, but before I start working on my >> gameplan here I need to know what direction I'm heading in. >> >> Please let me know here or over in the forum thread, and thanks! >> >> >> Joel Page >> Product Manager, OmniGraffle >> The Omni Group >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> OmniGraffle-Users mailing list >> OmniGraffle-Users@omnigroup.com >> http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnigraffle-users >> From net at canicula.com Fri Feb 1 13:27:31 2008 From: net at canicula.com (Ian Robinson) Date: Fri Feb 1 13:27:37 2008 Subject: Some questions about the Cisco stencils for Visio In-Reply-To: <128FFA51-CA70-4220-AC01-AD44AA4B57FB@omnigroup.com> Message-ID: On 01/02/2008 21:24, "Joel Page" wrote: > A question for those wanting the "abstract" versions: > > - How would you like them to be labeled? Via a text object grouped, > offset text in the shape, or in a note? Text object below the object and grouped. Ian --? Ian Robinson - Belfast - UK Soapbox - From john at jwkeller.com Mon Feb 4 15:08:32 2008 From: john at jwkeller.com (John Keller) Date: Mon Feb 4 16:35:31 2008 Subject: Omni Graffle Variable Request In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I'm looking for a way to automate showing the date that a particular canvas was edited. Basically a version of the modification date variable that is specific to individual canvases, rather than the document as a whole. Is that possible now? If not, is it something that would have value as a new variable? Thanks, John Keller From wiml at omnigroup.com Mon Feb 4 18:04:06 2008 From: wiml at omnigroup.com (Wim Lewis) Date: Mon Feb 4 18:04:09 2008 Subject: Omni Graffle Variable Request In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Feb 4, 2008, at 3:08 PM, John Keller wrote: > I'm looking for a way to automate showing the date that a particular > canvas > was edited. Basically a version of the modification date variable > that is > specific to individual canvases, rather than the document as a whole. We don't track the modification dates of individual canvases within the document, but I don't see any reason we couldn't do so. I'll make a note to consider this as a feature request. To get a better idea of what you need --- what are you doing that you want this? Is this for something along the lines of a "last modified" on individual pages of a blueprint (etc.)? From john at jwkeller.com Mon Feb 4 19:03:34 2008 From: john at jwkeller.com (John Keller) Date: Mon Feb 4 20:01:11 2008 Subject: Omni Graffle Variable Request In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > From: Wim Lewis > Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 18:04:06 -0800 > To: John Keller > Cc: omnigraffle-users list > Subject: Re: Omni Graffle Variable Request > > > On Feb 4, 2008, at 3:08 PM, John Keller wrote: >> I'm looking for a way to automate showing the date that a particular >> canvas >> was edited. Basically a version of the modification date variable >> that is >> specific to individual canvases, rather than the document as a whole. > > We don't track the modification dates of individual canvases within > the document, but I don't see any reason we couldn't do so. I'll make > a note to consider this as a feature request. > > To get a better idea of what you need --- what are you doing that you > want this? Is this for something along the lines of a "last modified" > on individual pages of a blueprint (etc.)? > That's exactly right. Creating wireframes for projects and a "last modified" date for the individual pages (canvases) would be extremely helpful for the rest of the team as we work side-by-side - thanks > From dug at donkeyontheedge.com Wed Feb 6 01:08:05 2008 From: dug at donkeyontheedge.com (Dug Falby) Date: Wed Feb 6 01:08:10 2008 Subject: Features and questions Message-ID: <36d5ab210802060108m35ad4fabsa67749054e38eff6@mail.gmail.com> Hi all, I've been using OG for years now and have been meaning to ask about a few behaviours that I've never been able to work out. Are these missing features or have I missed something (likely). 1. When I option-drag a bunch of selected objects, the shift key doesn't constrain movement. I have to group the objects before dragging for shift to do its thing 2. I set the page size to a printer page size. I set the canvas to be multiples of that page. I save the doc. When I reopen the doc, the page size is gone. I can't remember the number of times I've moved objects around only to realise I was looking at the wrong size of canvas. 3. Save document and send to colleague. She opens the doc and all the diagrams are messed up by type re-formatting and rewrapping. It would be great to have a font-checking mechanism such as Illustrator and Photoshop have (font matching or search, buffered vector data to allow read only objects if font missing etc.) 4. Related to question 3. is their a "create outlines" function hidden in there somewhere (great for emergencies when you can't figure out which of the eighteen helveticas your co-worker should be loading but don't want to export a PDF - say, because she needs to edit the shapes without changing the text). 5. Another type-handling question. Objects shift position when you select text in a box. It's not a big shift, but if you have lots of type (particularly long type like a list of notes) this shift is enough to make positioning objects difficult. 6. Releasing master objects. In Quark I set a text box on a master page and the on every page that uses that master I get a text box in the right place, with all the styling info ready to go. I can simply start typing in the box. In InDesign it's a little different, I style and position the master canvas object and then, on each page where I want to put text in the box I need to release the master object with a shift-apple-click. Either one of these would be fine as I haven't worked out how to put a grid of editable text on each canvas without having to cut-and-past a zillion times. Finally, is OG5 going to be Leopard-only? I'm stuck waiting for the new 12" powerbook so find myself stuck in 10.4 for at least the next six months... Thanks :-) Dug -- Dug Falby +44 75 15 66 16 55 http://www.donkeyontheedge.com/ From johani at johani.org Wed Feb 6 09:10:13 2008 From: johani at johani.org (Johan Ihren) Date: Wed Feb 6 10:17:12 2008 Subject: Omni Graffle Variable Request In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9684D46A-9947-4AB6-B52D-BA2111C85886@johani.org> >> On Feb 4, 2008, at 3:08 PM, John Keller wrote: >>> I'm looking for a way to automate showing the date that a particular >>> canvas >>> was edited. Basically a version of the modification date variable >>> that is >>> specific to individual canvases, rather than the document as a >>> whole. >> >> We don't track the modification dates of individual canvases within >> the document, but I don't see any reason we couldn't do so. I'll make >> a note to consider this as a feature request. >> >> To get a better idea of what you need --- what are you doing that you >> want this? Is this for something along the lines of a "last modified" >> on individual pages of a blueprint (etc.)? > That's exactly right. Creating wireframes for projects and a "last > modified" > date for the individual pages (canvases) would be extremely helpful > for the > rest of the team as we work side-by-side - thanks I just put a "$Id$" in a text object somewhere convenient. Works like a charm (this also provides the actual file name which is just as important when there are oodles of drawings).... But then I also keep all my graffles under CVS control ;-) Regards, Johan From jpage at omnigroup.com Thu Feb 7 18:14:38 2008 From: jpage at omnigroup.com (Joel Page) Date: Thu Feb 7 18:14:40 2008 Subject: OmniGraffle 5.0 beta 7 is now available Message-ID: As I gaze out over the release notes, I see there have been many many changes and fixes since the last beta release. I myself am not as familiar with them as I might be, I have been on a short vacation and of course got sick at the end of it, as that's what seems to happen when you go on a short vacation, you get sick. So some nice folks (notably Andrew and Troy) handled the release today, while I've been watching from afar, trapped in my apartment due to this blasted chest cold. In any case, we're zeroing in on a final release, getting ever closer, fit and finish and polish and the rest. You can read Andrew's copious release notes at the historical release notes page , or see them as well at the beta page , where downloading is as always possible. Joel Page Product Manager, OmniGraffle The Omni Group From sabashny at oktetlabs.ru Thu Feb 14 01:38:51 2008 From: sabashny at oktetlabs.ru (Vadim E. Sabashny) Date: Thu Feb 14 01:48:44 2008 Subject: VDX format and Custom Properties Message-ID: <1158866656.20080214123851@oktetlabs.ru> Hello, I use OmniGraffle Pro Version 4.2.2 (with Mac OS X 10.4.11) for working with files converted from native Visio format into XML Visio (VDX). Microsoft Visio allows to assign custom properties to almost all items, usually that properties are represnted by strings. But I failed to find such functionality in OmniGraffle. Does anyone know if OmniGraffle supports Custom Properties? And how does OmniGraffle support them? -- Best regards, Vadim mailto:sabashny@oktetlabs.ru From jpage at omnigroup.com Thu Feb 14 08:44:49 2008 From: jpage at omnigroup.com (Joel Page) Date: Thu Feb 14 08:44:50 2008 Subject: VDX format and Custom Properties In-Reply-To: <1158866656.20080214123851@oktetlabs.ru> References: <1158866656.20080214123851@oktetlabs.ru> Message-ID: This is just me cutting and pasting from Wim, but it should answer your questions: [Brief summary of using UserData from AppleScript] OmniGraffle has allowed arbitrary key/value pairs to be attached to objects since version 4.x, but they were only available through AppleScript. In version 5, these values have been made accessible through the GUI (in the "Notes" inspector) and the AppleScript support has been improved a bit. Right now, user data items must be strings; they cannot be values of other types. (Of course, you can often use co?rcions to convert other types to strings for storage and convert them back later.) Other datatypes may be supported in the future. There are two ways to manipulate user data from AppleScript. 1. As an AppleScript 'record' The user data can be retrieved or set in bulk using the 'user data' property of each graphic. -- Get the user data record, and get some individual values from it set D to the user data of SomeGraphic say "The part number is " & (the partnumber of D) & " and the price is " & (the price of D) -- Completely replace all user data with some new values set the user data of SomeOtherGraphic to {knit:"5", purl:"1"} 2. As a collection of 'user data items' Starting with Graffle version 5, the same information can also be viewed as a bunch of named values contained by the graphic. This is convenient when you want to read or change a single value without worrying about what other user-data items an object may have. -- Retrieve a user-data value and do something with it set ISBN to the value of user data item "isbn" of SomeGraphic open location "http://worldcat.org/isbn/" & ISBN -- Read, modify, and store the modified value set P to user data item "pagecount" of SomeOtherGraphic if the value of P is "Unknown" then set the value of P to "42" -- Create a new user data item tell SomeOtherGraphic to make new user data item with properties {name:"fnord"} set Fnord to the result set the value of Fnord to "do you see them" Unlike the "user data" record, a "user data item" remains part of the object even after you get it? so you can change its value and that new value will be stored in the graphic. In contrast, if you retrieve a "user data" record, and then modify it, those modifications won't be stored in the object until you explicitly set the object's user data to be the new, modified record. Joel Page Product Manager, OmniGraffle The Omni Group On Feb 14, 2008, at 1:38 AM, Vadim E. Sabashny wrote: > Hello, > > I use OmniGraffle Pro Version 4.2.2 (with Mac OS X 10.4.11) for > working > with files converted from native Visio format into XML Visio (VDX). > > Microsoft Visio allows to assign custom properties to almost all > items, usually that properties are represnted by strings. But I failed > to find such functionality in OmniGraffle. > > Does anyone know if OmniGraffle supports Custom Properties? > > And how does OmniGraffle support them? > > -- > Best regards, > Vadim mailto:sabashny@oktetlabs.ru > > _______________________________________________ > OmniGraffle-Users mailing list > OmniGraffle-Users@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnigraffle-users From jpage at omnigroup.com Wed Feb 27 15:36:39 2008 From: jpage at omnigroup.com (Joel Page) Date: Wed Feb 27 15:38:50 2008 Subject: OmniGraffle 5.0 release candidate 1 is now available Message-ID: <0D6AC5E2-65B8-4879-9392-8932B200FC18@omnigroup.com> Oh, we are so close. For those unaware, a release candidate represents the version of the application that we think is going to wind up being the final release, so in a week or two you can expect the final version of OmniGraffle 5 to be in the spots traditionally held by versions 4, 3, 2, and so forth. Of course, we're a bit on the cautious side as well, hence the appending of the number 1 after the words "release candidate". Quite a few bug fixes and crashes addressed in this release, plus final fit and finish to the localizations. A very interesting point to bring up: This release does not have an internal license key as the prior beta releases did, OmniGraffle 5 will operate without a license key for two weeks, so fret not - this is also an important bit of testing going on. You can download the release candidate from the beta page , and read copious release notes here . Cheers, Joel Page Product Manager, OmniGraffle The Omni Group From giulio.cesare at gmail.com Wed Feb 27 15:49:26 2008 From: giulio.cesare at gmail.com (Giulio Cesare Solaroli) Date: Wed Feb 27 15:49:35 2008 Subject: OmniGraffle 5.0 release candidate 1 is now available In-Reply-To: <0D6AC5E2-65B8-4879-9392-8932B200FC18@omnigroup.com> References: <0D6AC5E2-65B8-4879-9392-8932B200FC18@omnigroup.com> Message-ID: Download links on the beta page look broken. > Not Found > > The requested URL /omnigroup/software/MacOSX/10.5/OmniGrafflePro-5.0-rc-1.dmg was not found on this server. At least the ones for the pro version. Both "regular" and "alternate". Giulio Cesare On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 12:36 AM, Joel Page wrote: > Oh, we are so close. > > For those unaware, a release candidate represents the version of the > application that we think is going to wind up being the final release, > so in a week or two you can expect the final version of OmniGraffle 5 > to be in the spots traditionally held by versions 4, 3, 2, and so forth. > > Of course, we're a bit on the cautious side as well, hence the > appending of the number 1 after the words "release candidate". > > Quite a few bug fixes and crashes addressed in this release, plus > final fit and finish to the localizations. > > A very interesting point to bring up: > > This release does not have an internal license key as the prior beta > releases did, OmniGraffle 5 will operate without a license key for two > weeks, so fret not - this is also an important bit of testing going on. > > You can download the release candidate from the beta page >, and read copious release notes here >. > > Cheers, > > > Joel Page > Product Manager, OmniGraffle > The Omni Group > > > _______________________________________________ > OmniGraffle-Users mailing list > OmniGraffle-Users@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnigraffle-users > From terrygardner at mac.com Wed Feb 27 15:52:00 2008 From: terrygardner at mac.com (Terry Gardner) Date: Wed Feb 27 15:52:05 2008 Subject: exports broken in 5? Message-ID: <171FAF50-E317-4F05-BE08-7F368C0A8037@mac.com> Are exports broken in OG5? From jpage at omnigroup.com Wed Feb 27 15:55:30 2008 From: jpage at omnigroup.com (Joel Page) Date: Wed Feb 27 15:55:40 2008 Subject: OmniGraffle 5.0 release candidate 1 is now available In-Reply-To: References: <0D6AC5E2-65B8-4879-9392-8932B200FC18@omnigroup.com> Message-ID: <5E5B665E-5586-4E73-9CF3-9520AFDB45E0@omnigroup.com> Oops! Just a little typo on my part, should be working now. JP On Feb 27, 2008, at 3:49 PM, Giulio Cesare Solaroli wrote: > Download links on the beta page look broken. > >> Not Found >> >> The requested URL /omnigroup/software/MacOSX/10.5/ >> OmniGrafflePro-5.0-rc-1.dmg was not found on this server. > > At least the ones for the pro version. Both "regular" and "alternate". > > Giulio Cesare > > > > On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 12:36 AM, Joel Page > wrote: >> Oh, we are so close. >> >> For those unaware, a release candidate represents the version of the >> application that we think is going to wind up being the final >> release, >> so in a week or two you can expect the final version of OmniGraffle 5 >> to be in the spots traditionally held by versions 4, 3, 2, and so >> forth. >> >> Of course, we're a bit on the cautious side as well, hence the >> appending of the number 1 after the words "release candidate". >> >> Quite a few bug fixes and crashes addressed in this release, plus >> final fit and finish to the localizations. >> >> A very interesting point to bring up: >> >> This release does not have an internal license key as the prior beta >> releases did, OmniGraffle 5 will operate without a license key for >> two >> weeks, so fret not - this is also an important bit of testing going >> on. >> >> You can download the release candidate from the beta page >> , and read copious release notes here >> . >> >> Cheers, >> >> >> Joel Page >> Product Manager, OmniGraffle >> The Omni Group >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> OmniGraffle-Users mailing list >> OmniGraffle-Users@omnigroup.com >> http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnigraffle-users >> > _______________________________________________ > OmniGraffle-Users mailing list > OmniGraffle-Users@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnigraffle-users From wiml at omnigroup.com Wed Feb 27 17:08:18 2008 From: wiml at omnigroup.com (Wim Lewis) Date: Wed Feb 27 17:08:21 2008 Subject: exports broken in 5? In-Reply-To: <171FAF50-E317-4F05-BE08-7F368C0A8037@mac.com> References: <171FAF50-E317-4F05-BE08-7F368C0A8037@mac.com> Message-ID: <59875B2B-95BA-4261-9035-DA32CCF854CB@omnigroup.com> On Feb 27, 2008, at 3:52 PM, Terry Gardner wrote: > Are exports broken in OG5? We hope not. What problem are you seeing? From terrygardner at mac.com Wed Feb 27 17:19:15 2008 From: terrygardner at mac.com (Terry Gardner) Date: Wed Feb 27 17:19:19 2008 Subject: exports broken in 5? In-Reply-To: <59875B2B-95BA-4261-9035-DA32CCF854CB@omnigroup.com> References: <171FAF50-E317-4F05-BE08-7F368C0A8037@mac.com> <59875B2B-95BA-4261-9035-DA32CCF854CB@omnigroup.com> Message-ID: <33DB0CAC-2CE6-4EC5-9075-F10552C24242@mac.com> I've been trying to export a diag to PNG and all I get is a blank PNG. Same diag exports fine from OG4. I'll keep trying and report back. On Feb 27, 2008, at 8:08 PM, Wim Lewis wrote: > > On Feb 27, 2008, at 3:52 PM, Terry Gardner wrote: >> Are exports broken in OG5? > > We hope not. What problem are you seeing? > > > ---- Mobile: +1 404 925 6385 Skype: Terry_J_Gardner AIM: NotEternalName Yahoo: SunJavaSystems Jabber: terry_j_gardner@jabber.org http://blogs.sun.com/terrygardner "A thing moderately good is not so good as it ought to be. Moderation in temper is always a virtue; but moderation in principle is always a vice." - Thomas Paine From bysteven at cisco.com Thu Feb 28 10:36:37 2008 From: bysteven at cisco.com (Byron Stevens) Date: Thu Feb 28 10:37:00 2008 Subject: OmniGraffle 5.0 release candidate 1 is now available In-Reply-To: <5E5B665E-5586-4E73-9CF3-9520AFDB45E0@omnigroup.com> References: <0D6AC5E2-65B8-4879-9392-8932B200FC18@omnigroup.com> <5E5B665E-5586-4E73-9CF3-9520AFDB45E0@omnigroup.com> Message-ID: Nice touch on the installer! Renaming & saving the old copy & doing an auto re-start - saves me doing what I've been doing manually for years - thanks! Byron On Feb 27, 2008, at 3:55 PM, Joel Page wrote: > Oops! Just a little typo on my part, should be working now. > > JP > > On Feb 27, 2008, at 3:49 PM, Giulio Cesare Solaroli wrote: > >> Download links on the beta page look broken. >> >>> Not Found >>> >>> The requested URL /omnigroup/software/MacOSX/10.5/ >>> OmniGrafflePro-5.0-rc-1.dmg was not found on this server. >> >> At least the ones for the pro version. Both "regular" and >> "alternate". >> >> Giulio Cesare >> >> >> >> On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 12:36 AM, Joel Page >> wrote: >>> Oh, we are so close. >>> >>> For those unaware, a release candidate represents the version of the >>> application that we think is going to wind up being the final >>> release, >>> so in a week or two you can expect the final version of >>> OmniGraffle 5 >>> to be in the spots traditionally held by versions 4, 3, 2, and so >>> forth. >>> >>> Of course, we're a bit on the cautious side as well, hence the >>> appending of the number 1 after the words "release candidate". >>> >>> Quite a few bug fixes and crashes addressed in this release, plus >>> final fit and finish to the localizations. >>> >>> A very interesting point to bring up: >>> >>> This release does not have an internal license key as the prior beta >>> releases did, OmniGraffle 5 will operate without a license key for >>> two >>> weeks, so fret not - this is also an important bit of testing >>> going on. >>> >>> You can download the release candidate from the beta page >>> , and read copious release notes here >>> . >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> >>> Joel Page >>> Product Manager, OmniGraffle >>> The Omni Group >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> OmniGraffle-Users mailing list >>> OmniGraffle-Users@omnigroup.com >>> http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnigraffle-users >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> OmniGraffle-Users mailing list >> OmniGraffle-Users@omnigroup.com >> http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnigraffle-users > > _______________________________________________ > OmniGraffle-Users mailing list > OmniGraffle-Users@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnigraffle-users From rcobleigh at gmail.com Thu Feb 28 12:25:02 2008 From: rcobleigh at gmail.com (Rachel Cobleigh) Date: Thu Feb 28 12:25:05 2008 Subject: making objects transparent Message-ID: <15300b5e0802281225s663b43a4s8f7e8d0352ca92b9@mail.gmail.com> I have an image on Layer 1 and I'd like to drop a rectangle into Layer 2 and vary the rectangle's transparency, so that the part of the image in Layer 1 underneath the rectangle looks shaded. I can't figure out how to do this in OmniGraffle. Does anyone have any ideas? Or is this functionality not available yet? Thanks, Rachel From richardsona at mac.com Thu Feb 28 12:50:04 2008 From: richardsona at mac.com (Adam Richardson) Date: Thu Feb 28 12:50:08 2008 Subject: making objects transparent In-Reply-To: <15300b5e0802281225s663b43a4s8f7e8d0352ca92b9@mail.gmail.com> References: <15300b5e0802281225s663b43a4s8f7e8d0352ca92b9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <656EBA53-0118-1000-D18D-20ACD8690F00-Webmail-10017@mac.com> Yep, it's easily done. Select the rectangle, and in the fill inspector make sure it has a color fill. Click the color swatch so that the Colors palette comes up. Drag the opacity slider at the bottom of the Colors palette to the desired level of transparency. Done! One neat thing about OG is you can have different levels of opacity if you are using a gradient fill - each color of the gradient can be given different amounts of opacity. Adam :: Adam Richardson email: richardsona@mac.com blog: http://www.richardsona.com http://www.cnet.com/matter-antimatter/ On Thursday, February 28, 2008, at 12:26PM, "Rachel Cobleigh" wrote: >I have an image on Layer 1 and I'd like to drop a rectangle into Layer >2 and vary the rectangle's transparency, so that the part of the image >in Layer 1 underneath the rectangle looks shaded. > >I can't figure out how to do this in OmniGraffle. Does anyone have any >ideas? Or is this functionality not available yet? > >Thanks, > >Rachel >_______________________________________________ >OmniGraffle-Users mailing list >OmniGraffle-Users@omnigroup.com >http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnigraffle-users > > From Rolf_Schmolling at macnews.de Thu Feb 28 13:18:53 2008 From: Rolf_Schmolling at macnews.de (Rolf Schmolling) Date: Thu Feb 28 13:18:59 2008 Subject: exports broken in 5? In-Reply-To: <33DB0CAC-2CE6-4EC5-9075-F10552C24242@mac.com> References: <171FAF50-E317-4F05-BE08-7F368C0A8037@mac.com> <59875B2B-95BA-4261-9035-DA32CCF854CB@omnigroup.com> <33DB0CAC-2CE6-4EC5-9075-F10552C24242@mac.com> Message-ID: Hi, without a lot of examinations on my part: for me OG5 RC-1 exports files alright to PNG, no problems. Greetings, Rolf MBP C2D 2.33GH 2GB Ram, German OSX 10.5.2 Am 28.02.2008 um 02:19 schrieb Terry Gardner: > I've been trying to export a diag to PNG and all I get is a blank > PNG. Same diag exports fine from OG4. I'll keep trying and report > back. > > On Feb 27, 2008, at 8:08 PM, Wim Lewis wrote: > >> >> On Feb 27, 2008, at 3:52 PM, Terry Gardner wrote: >>> Are exports broken in OG5? >> >> We hope not. What problem are you seeing? >> >> >> > > ---- > Mobile: +1 404 925 6385 > Skype: Terry_J_Gardner > AIM: NotEternalName > Yahoo: SunJavaSystems > Jabber: terry_j_gardner@jabber.org > http://blogs.sun.com/terrygardner > > "A thing moderately good is not so good as it ought to be. > Moderation in temper is always a virtue; but moderation in principle > is always a vice." - Thomas Paine > > _______________________________________________ > OmniGraffle-Users mailing list > OmniGraffle-Users@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnigraffle-users From vjdif at prodigy.net Thu Feb 28 13:27:07 2008 From: vjdif at prodigy.net (Vic DiFranco) Date: Thu Feb 28 13:24:18 2008 Subject: Graffle 5 OS Message-ID: <45F08D54-B703-4DE9-A536-C163A11F8336@prodigy.net> Hello Joel, Just a question about OmniGraffle 5.0. Will it always be the case that OS 10.5 (Leopard) is necessary? For some of us (many of us?), upgrading an operating system is something to do only after a long period of time. We let the experts work out the inevitable bugs and incompatibilities, before we take the plunge. I thank my stars, and those brave souls who first worked out the kinks from the early release of OS X. I am looking forward to OmniGraffle 5, but Leopard requirement may mean it will be a year or more before I can try it out. Not fair! I'm sure there is a good reason for your decision. I just wish it were otherwise. Best regards, Vic DiFranco From programmingosx at mac.com Thu Feb 28 13:38:32 2008 From: programmingosx at mac.com (David Holt) Date: Thu Feb 28 13:38:37 2008 Subject: EOModel files don't parse properly in OG 5 Pro Message-ID: <331164FD-60DE-4F2D-BA6D-4FCA800CD535@mac.com> I tried to open an EOModel file in OG 5 Pro and it wouldn't open. Version 4 opens it just fine. David From lists at bradlauster.com Thu Feb 28 13:21:32 2008 From: lists at bradlauster.com (Brad Lauster) Date: Thu Feb 28 13:43:55 2008 Subject: Select Manual Guides? Message-ID: <513E2A44-0EEB-45FC-A437-8EE0E55E0B64@bradlauster.com> Is it possible to select the Manual Guides I've created? I have a bunch that I'd like to select and bump up 5 pixels. Brad From terrygardner at mac.com Thu Feb 28 13:54:34 2008 From: terrygardner at mac.com (Terry Gardner) Date: Thu Feb 28 13:54:59 2008 Subject: exports broken in 5? In-Reply-To: References: <171FAF50-E317-4F05-BE08-7F368C0A8037@mac.com> <59875B2B-95BA-4261-9035-DA32CCF854CB@omnigroup.com> <33DB0CAC-2CE6-4EC5-9075-F10552C24242@mac.com> Message-ID: <9DC1B453-BD83-4F02-9665-BD79A071E5BF@mac.com> I still can't make it work ... I must be doing something wrong in 5 On Feb 28, 2008, at 4:18 PM, Rolf Schmolling wrote: > Hi, > > without a lot of examinations on my part: for me OG5 RC-1 exports > files alright to PNG, no problems. > > Greetings, > > Rolf > > MBP C2D 2.33GH 2GB Ram, German OSX 10.5.2 > > Am 28.02.2008 um 02:19 schrieb Terry Gardner: > >> I've been trying to export a diag to PNG and all I get is a blank >> PNG. Same diag exports fine from OG4. I'll keep trying and report >> back. >> >> On Feb 27, 2008, at 8:08 PM, Wim Lewis wrote: >> >>> >>> On Feb 27, 2008, at 3:52 PM, Terry Gardner wrote: >>>> Are exports broken in OG5? >>> >>> We hope not. What problem are you seeing? >>> >>> >>> >> >> ---- >> Mobile: +1 404 925 6385 >> Skype: Terry_J_Gardner >> AIM: NotEternalName >> Yahoo: SunJavaSystems >> Jabber: terry_j_gardner@jabber.org >> http://blogs.sun.com/terrygardner >> >> "A thing moderately good is not so good as it ought to be. >> Moderation in temper is always a virtue; but moderation in >> principle is always a vice." - Thomas Paine >> >> _______________________________________________ >> OmniGraffle-Users mailing list >> OmniGraffle-Users@omnigroup.com >> http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnigraffle-users > > _______________________________________________ > OmniGraffle-Users mailing list > OmniGraffle-Users@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnigraffle-users ---- Mobile: +1 404 925 6385 Skype: Terry_J_Gardner AIM: NotEternalName http://blogs.sun.com/terrygardner "A thing moderately good is not so good as it ought to be. Moderation in temper is always a virtue; but moderation in principle is always a vice." - Thomas Paine From larkost at softhome.net Thu Feb 28 14:04:33 2008 From: larkost at softhome.net (Karl Kuehn) Date: Thu Feb 28 14:19:23 2008 Subject: Graffle 5 OS In-Reply-To: <45F08D54-B703-4DE9-A536-C163A11F8336@prodigy.net> References: <45F08D54-B703-4DE9-A536-C163A11F8336@prodigy.net> Message-ID: On Feb 28, 2008, at 1:27 PM, Vic DiFranco wrote: > Just a question about OmniGraffle 5.0. Will it always be the case > that OS 10.5 (Leopard) is necessary? There is little chance that they are going to go back and make the (probably) major architectural changes that would be needed after releasing the code. > For some of us (many of us?), upgrading an operating system is > something to do only after a long period of time. We let the experts > work out the inevitable bugs and incompatibilities, before we take > the plunge. I thank my stars, and those brave souls who first worked > out the kinks from the early release of OS X. > > I am looking forward to OmniGraffle 5, but Leopard requirement may > mean it will be a year or more before I can try it out. Not fair! I understand waiting a little while, but it came out in October of last year... and if you are planning on waiting 1.5 yeas after they unveil it, then you should probably know that at that point 10.6 is going to be about a half year away. I think your timeline is way off. I work for an organization that has to be a little slow in adopting new os's (lots of computers that all have the same settings, and a list of applications as long as your arm), and I consider that we are finally making the transition this summer a bit long (but justified). > I'm sure there is a good reason for your decision. I just wish it > were otherwise. Not being on e of the programmers, I don't actually know the exact reasons they have been going with 10.5, but I do know that the differences are significant form a developer's point of view. -- Karl Kuehn larkost@softhome.net From merlyn at stonehenge.com Thu Feb 28 14:32:31 2008 From: merlyn at stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz) Date: Thu Feb 28 14:32:33 2008 Subject: Graffle 5 OS In-Reply-To: (Karl Kuehn's message of "Thu, 28 Feb 2008 14:04:33 -0800") References: <45F08D54-B703-4DE9-A536-C163A11F8336@prodigy.net> Message-ID: <86r6ewzp8g.fsf@blue.stonehenge.com> >>>>> "Karl" == Karl Kuehn writes: Karl> On Feb 28, 2008, at 1:27 PM, Vic DiFranco wrote: >> Just a question about OmniGraffle 5.0. Will it always be the case >> that OS 10.5 (Leopard) is necessary? Karl> There is little chance that they are going to go back and make the Karl> (probably) major architectural changes that would be needed after releasing Karl> the code. Well, if it was just a matter of adding a few ifdefs or adding another check box to "compile for", that's not necessarily hard. I too, have not hit 10.5 yet. I've heard a few scare things even about 10.5.2, so I'll be waiting for 10.5.3. -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 Perl/Unix/security consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See PerlTraining.Stonehenge.com for onsite and open-enrollment Perl training! From larkost at softhome.net Thu Feb 28 14:40:46 2008 From: larkost at softhome.net (Karl Kuehn) Date: Thu Feb 28 14:40:50 2008 Subject: Graffle 5 OS In-Reply-To: <86r6ewzp8g.fsf@blue.stonehenge.com> References: <45F08D54-B703-4DE9-A536-C163A11F8336@prodigy.net> <86r6ewzp8g.fsf@blue.stonehenge.com> Message-ID: On Feb 28, 2008, at 2:32 PM, Randal L. Schwartz wrote: > Karl> There is little chance that they are going to go back and > make the > Karl> (probably) major architectural changes that would be needed > after releasing > Karl> the code. > > Well, if it was just a matter of adding a few ifdefs or adding > another check > box to "compile for", that's not necessarily hard. Once again, I have no access to the code, and so am only guessing, but there have been pretty major changes to text layout engines, the introduction of CoreAnimation (and lots of associated changes), and everything that is in Objective-C 2.0. If any one of these were used it would not be worthwhile to try and hack around them to get 10.4. And this ignores the evidence that OmniGroup has already brought out a few times that people who don't upgrade their OS are not (statistically speaking) probable buyers of new software. > I too, have not hit 10.5 yet. I've heard a few scare things even > about 10.5.2, so I'll be waiting for 10.5.3. As compared to all the scary things we know are in 10.4? Unless you have very specific reasons to be on 10.4 (like there is software you need that you know does not work, such as software in the Classic environment) it is long since time to make the move. Stop reading MacFixit. If you are going to make the move on the hardware you are on now, then it is long since time to do so. -- Karl Kuehn larkost@softhome.net From merlyn at stonehenge.com Thu Feb 28 14:44:08 2008 From: merlyn at stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz) Date: Thu Feb 28 14:44:10 2008 Subject: Graffle 5 OS In-Reply-To: (Karl Kuehn's message of "Thu, 28 Feb 2008 14:40:46 -0800") References: <45F08D54-B703-4DE9-A536-C163A11F8336@prodigy.net> <86r6ewzp8g.fsf@blue.stonehenge.com> Message-ID: <86ejawzop3.fsf@blue.stonehenge.com> >>>>> "Karl" == Karl Kuehn writes: Karl> As compared to all the scary things we know are in 10.4? Unless you Karl> have very specific reasons to be on 10.4 (like there is software you Karl> need that you know does not work, such as software in the Classic Karl> environment) it is long since time to make the move. Stop reading Karl> MacFixit. If you are going to make the move on the hardware you are on Karl> now, then it is long since time to do so. Yeah, I may bite the bullet soon anyway when I can afford one or two days downtime to do the copy-merge and then figure out everything that broke. I hate major upgrades. :( -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 Perl/Unix/security consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See PerlTraining.Stonehenge.com for onsite and open-enrollment Perl training! From vjdif at prodigy.net Thu Feb 28 21:36:07 2008 From: vjdif at prodigy.net (Vic DiFranco) Date: Thu Feb 28 21:33:31 2008 Subject: Graffle 5 OS In-Reply-To: References: <45F08D54-B703-4DE9-A536-C163A11F8336@prodigy.net> <86r6ewzp8g.fsf@blue.stonehenge.com> Message-ID: On Feb 28, 2008, at 4:40 PM, Karl Kuehn wrote: > And this ignores the evidence that OmniGroup has already brought > out a few times that people who don't upgrade their OS are not > (statistically speaking) probable buyers of new software. Hmm. Not sure I follow the reasoning here. If the new software REQUIRES the upgraded OS, then it follows that those who do not upgrade the OS will also not buy the new software. That's not a statistical relationship, but a causative one. At any rate, the programmers have made their decision, and I'm sure have given it a great deal of thought. I certainly am not going to complain to them, who have written such a useful and intuitive application. Perhaps the criticism should go to Apple, for making the OS upgrade one that is not backward compatible. Thank you for taking the time to respond. Regards, Vic DiFranco From larkost at softhome.net Thu Feb 28 23:04:43 2008 From: larkost at softhome.net (Karl Kuehn) Date: Thu Feb 28 23:05:13 2008 Subject: Graffle 5 OS In-Reply-To: References: <45F08D54-B703-4DE9-A536-C163A11F8336@prodigy.net> <86r6ewzp8g.fsf@blue.stonehenge.com> Message-ID: <634126A5-99C4-44CB-B6F7-00B609CF4050@softhome.net> On Feb 28, 2008, at 9:36 PM, Vic DiFranco wrote: >> And this ignores the evidence that OmniGroup has already brought >> out a few times that people who don't upgrade their OS are not >> (statistically speaking) probable buyers of new software. > > Hmm. Not sure I follow the reasoning here. If the new software > REQUIRES the upgraded OS, then it follows that those who do not > upgrade the OS will also not buy the new software. That's not a > statistical relationship, but a causative one. Back when 10.4 came out OmniGroup put out their statistics about the customers who were using OmniWeb 4 (this was when it started phoning home). And the people who upgraded to OW 4 were overwhelmingly those who had also moved to 10.4 (despite that it ran on 10.3 as well). The reasoning was that if you were not willing to spend the money upgrading to 10.4, you probably wern't the sort of person who was going to be spending much money on buying new software either. I think that that is a reasonably good summation of how things work, on average. There will always be plenty of exceptions, but exceptions are exceptions and not the rule. > At any rate, the programmers have made their decision, and I'm sure > have given it a great deal of thought. I certainly am not going to > complain to them, who have written such a useful and intuitive > application. Perhaps the criticism should go to Apple, for making > the OS upgrade one that is not backward compatible. Engineering is always about tradeoffs. If Apple brings out something new, that is necessarily something that was not present in previous versions (by definition). A new feature can't be backwards compatible, and a lot of things in 10.5 are brand new frameworks. They just don't exist in 10.4, and it makes no economic sense for Apple spend a lot of money back-porting them to 10.4 (since they just spent the money creating a new and better OS for them to go into). -- Karl Kuehn larkost@softhome.net From giulio.cesare at gmail.com Thu Feb 28 23:58:18 2008 From: giulio.cesare at gmail.com (Giulio Cesare Solaroli) Date: Thu Feb 28 23:58:23 2008 Subject: Graffle 5 OS In-Reply-To: <634126A5-99C4-44CB-B6F7-00B609CF4050@softhome.net> References: <45F08D54-B703-4DE9-A536-C163A11F8336@prodigy.net> <86r6ewzp8g.fsf@blue.stonehenge.com> <634126A5-99C4-44CB-B6F7-00B609CF4050@softhome.net> Message-ID: Hello, I would like to express a completely different point of view about migrating from Omnigraffle 4 to 5. I am already on Leopard, and I have just start trying Omnigraffle 5. The major issue I am facing right now is speed; Omnigraffle 5 seem so much slower than the previous version, that I am not really sold about the idea to upgrade, even because the upgrade price for the PRO version is not that cheap. Did anybody else have experienced this slow down with the new version? I am using it on a MacBookPro (first generation), with 2MHz Core Duo processor and 2GB of RAM (but with many other programs also running) Best regards, Giulio Cesare From dug at donkeyontheedge.com Fri Feb 29 01:40:18 2008 From: dug at donkeyontheedge.com (Dug Falby) Date: Fri Feb 29 01:40:24 2008 Subject: Graffle 5 OS In-Reply-To: References: <45F08D54-B703-4DE9-A536-C163A11F8336@prodigy.net> <86r6ewzp8g.fsf@blue.stonehenge.com> Message-ID: <36d5ab210802290140x68e86f71yf1d27a7e008b4e1@mail.gmail.com> I love OG and have been pining for native Visio handling for years. I think I represent a use-case that is probably not too rare. Basically, I think Omni products are all very competitively priced and vastly over-deliver at that price point. If OG cost 50% more I would still upgrade immediately. My problem is all the other apps that make up my workspace. I can't upgrade to Leopard because that would mean a GBP1,200 license fee to Adobe. At that price point, I'll have to wait for my next hardware upgrade, the 12" Powerbook that just HAS TO BE in the pipeline ;-) This is a real shame -- essentially it means I can't buy the most important app on my desktop (I'm an IA and use OG every day). Cheers all, Dug On Fri, Feb 29, 2008 at 5:36 AM, Vic DiFranco wrote: > On Feb 28, 2008, at 4:40 PM, Karl Kuehn wrote: > > > And this ignores the evidence that OmniGroup has already brought > > out a few times that people who don't upgrade their OS are not > > (statistically speaking) probable buyers of new software. > > Hmm. Not sure I follow the reasoning here. If the new software > REQUIRES the upgraded OS, then it follows that those who do not > upgrade the OS will also not buy the new software. That's not a > statistical relationship, but a causative one. > > At any rate, the programmers have made their decision, and I'm sure > have given it a great deal of thought. I certainly am not going to > complain to them, who have written such a useful and intuitive > application. Perhaps the criticism should go to Apple, for making the > OS upgrade one that is not backward compatible. > > Thank you for taking the time to respond. > > Regards, > Vic DiFranco > _______________________________________________ > OmniGraffle-Users mailing list > OmniGraffle-Users@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnigraffle-users > -- Dug Falby +44 75 15 66 16 55 http://www.donkeyontheedge.com/ From readlists at sbcglobal.net Fri Feb 29 17:30:51 2008 From: readlists at sbcglobal.net (Bill Rowe) Date: Fri Feb 29 17:30:54 2008 Subject: Graffle 5 OS In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 2/28/08 at 11:36 PM, vjdif@prodigy.net (Vic DiFranco) wrote: >At any rate, the programmers have made their decision, and I'm sure >have given it a great deal of thought. I certainly am not going to >complain to them, who have written such a useful and intuitive >application. Perhaps the criticism should go to Apple, for making >the OS upgrade one that is not backward compatible. You apparently have a different idea than I of what it means to have a backward compatible OS upgrade. OmniGraffle 4.2.2 seems to run fine under OS 10.5.2 as far as I can determine. If the OS 10.5 were not reasonably backward compatible with OS 10.4 this would not be the case. Obviously, an OS upgrade introduces fixes and new features that didn't exist in the previous version. If this were not the case, it wouldn't be an upgrade. I assume OmniGraffle 5 takes advantage of some of these new features making OmniGraffle 5 incompatible with previous versions of the OS. This clearly isn't anything Apple can influence and is entirely under the control of OmniGroup. If the new features, fixes etc in OS 10.5 or OmniGraffle 5 are useful/important to you then clearly you will need to upgrade both the OS and OmniGraffle. If there isn't a compelling reason to upgrade, then things should continue to work for you as they do now. From nick at significance.com Fri Feb 29 23:16:48 2008 From: nick at significance.com (Nicholas Androulidakis) Date: Fri Feb 29 23:52:02 2008 Subject: Graffle 5 OS In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I'm running OG 4.2.2 under OS 10.5.2 with no problems. Nick On Feb 29, 2008, at 8:30 PM, Bill Rowe wrote: > OmniGraffle 4.2.2 seems to run fine under OS 10.5.2 as far as I can > determine. From post at janvegt.demon.nl Mon Mar 3 10:40:39 2008 From: post at janvegt.demon.nl (Jan Vegt) Date: Mon Mar 3 10:52:33 2008 Subject: OG5 Print Scale Dialog? Message-ID: Hi, An OG5 Newbie question: I've been looking at and using the beta for a while. It saves a ton of time not having to go through Parallels/Visio for vsd import. Stencil library is very useful allthought on the 13 inch MacBook only used seldomly. On that same machine saving a file isn't always a delight (how to hit the buttons ...), but this is no OG5 specific comment. But ...where is the Print Scale dialog which was in the OG4 Canvas Size palette? I liked to tweak around with it to get the scale just right. In OG5 there only seems to be a Unit scale type of thing and I haven't been able to produce intelligent results with it (I sure that's my mistake). What happended to the Print scale percentages? Thanks for your help, Jan (Jan Vegt) From wiml at omnigroup.com Mon Mar 3 12:05:57 2008 From: wiml at omnigroup.com (Wim Lewis) Date: Mon Mar 3 12:06:01 2008 Subject: exports broken in 5? In-Reply-To: <9DC1B453-BD83-4F02-9665-BD79A071E5BF@mac.com> References: <171FAF50-E317-4F05-BE08-7F368C0A8037@mac.com> <59875B2B-95BA-4261-9035-DA32CCF854CB@omnigroup.com> <33DB0CAC-2CE6-4EC5-9075-F10552C24242@mac.com> <9DC1B453-BD83-4F02-9665-BD79A071E5BF@mac.com> Message-ID: <75F34354-F6B9-4029-BA10-AEC10A260580@omnigroup.com> On Feb 28, 2008, at 1:54 PM, Terry Gardner wrote: > I still can't make it work ... I must be doing something wrong in 5 Could you send a closer description of what you're doing (along with any console messages, perhaps) to omnigraffle@omnigroup.com ? That'll go into our user-support tracker and it'll open a ticket number for you, and so on. It sounds like we'll need to look into this more to figure out why you're having a problem. Wim Lewis / wiml@omnigroup.com From wiml at omnigroup.com Mon Mar 3 12:39:07 2008 From: wiml at omnigroup.com (Wim Lewis) Date: Mon Mar 3 12:39:14 2008 Subject: Graffle 5 OS In-Reply-To: <45F08D54-B703-4DE9-A536-C163A11F8336@prodigy.net> References: <45F08D54-B703-4DE9-A536-C163A11F8336@prodigy.net> Message-ID: <0AD4C9F9-6698-4C3F-A6EF-4673DEF9B8A9@omnigroup.com> On Feb 28, 2008, at 1:27 PM, Vic DiFranco wrote: > Just a question about OmniGraffle 5.0. Will it always be the case > that OS 10.5 (Leopard) is necessary? Yes. OmniGraffle 5.0 and onward require Leopard. We realize we've broken from our usual practice of not requiring a new major OS release until it's been out for a year (except for completely new Omni products). We don't want to force our users onto an upgrade treadmill. But there are a number of developer-type features in Leopard that were too good to pass up. Writing code to support OS release N-1 as well as N can sometimes take a surprising amount of effort (it depends on what exactly has changed between the two releases, of course) and we always have to balance backwards compatibility against the possibility of using those engineer-hours to produce a better product for the current release. In this case we decided it was worth it to go Leopard-only a little earlier than usual. Since we know there are a number of people stuck on 10.4.x for whatever reason and therefore stuck on Graffle 4.x, we are intending to bring out a release 4.2.3 sometime soon. But that's basically a bug- fix release. Wim Lewis / wiml@omnigroup.com From jpage at omnigroup.com Wed Mar 5 11:59:10 2008 From: jpage at omnigroup.com (Joel Page) Date: Wed Mar 5 11:59:11 2008 Subject: OmniGraffle 5.0 is now final (including Pro) Message-ID: Well, after a lengthy beta testing period, OmniGraffle 5.0 and OmniGraffle Professional 5.0 are now released in final form, we'd like to thank all of the beta testers for their feedback, and I hope we didn't scare too many folks with the lack of a built-in license key in the release candidate. Pricing OmniGraffle 5 is currently available for purchase at the Omni Store . It's $99.95, and upgrades from earlier versions of OmniGraffle are $39.95. OmniGraffle Professional 5 is $199.95, and upgrades from earlier versions of OmniGraffle are $74.95. You can find out more pricing and upgrade information at the store. You can download OmniGraffle 5 or OmniGraffle Professional 5 from the OmniGraffle download page , and review of the long storied release notes are found here . Operating System Requirements OmniGraffle 5 and OmniGraffle Professional 5 require Mac OS X 10.5 (Leopard) or later to run. More Information You can find out more information about the new features at the OmniGraffle product page . Enjoy! Joel Page Product Manager, OmniGraffle The Omni Group From wycats at gmail.com Wed Mar 5 15:35:27 2008 From: wycats at gmail.com (Yehuda Katz) Date: Wed Mar 5 15:35:30 2008 Subject: Saner Organizational Charts Message-ID: <245fb4700803051535m17109e0di809189403c214d4d@mail.gmail.com> I'm trying to use OmniGraffle's organizational chart feature in 5.0, and it appears to have a fatal flaw. Items on any level can only be added horizontally, which means that if you have a large number of people under a single person, the diagram gets wider and wider. A much simpler solution (which we use when we make the diagram manually) is to group people vertically (or potentially in a grid, with two columns of people), so it's possible to fit people on the page without going to absurdly wide canvases. Is there a way to achieve this automatically with OmniGraffle? -- Yehuda Katz Developer | Engine Yard (ph) 718.877.1325 From Simon.Cavill at mi-pay.com Thu Mar 6 00:18:08 2008 From: Simon.Cavill at mi-pay.com (Simon Cavill) Date: Thu Mar 6 00:19:00 2008 Subject: OmniGraffle-Users Digest, Vol 51, Issue 4 Message-ID: <2F168F96ADC04C4D962C7AFE46E1BFC559477D095F@mipex01.mi-pay.com> Sent from my BlackBerry wireless handheld ----- Original Message ----- From: omnigraffle-users-bounces@omnigroup.com To: omnigraffle-users@omnigroup.com Sent: Wed Mar 05 20:00:10 2008 Subject: OmniGraffle-Users Digest, Vol 51, Issue 4 Send OmniGraffle-Users mailing list submissions to omnigraffle-users@omnigroup.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnigraffle-users or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to omnigraffle-users-request@omnigroup.com You can reach the person managing the list at omnigraffle-users-owner@omnigroup.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of OmniGraffle-Users digest..." Today's Topics: 1. OmniGraffle 5.0 is now final (including Pro) (Joel Page) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 11:59:10 -0800 From: Joel Page Subject: OmniGraffle 5.0 is now final (including Pro) To: omnigraffle-users list Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Well, after a lengthy beta testing period, OmniGraffle 5.0 and OmniGraffle Professional 5.0 are now released in final form, we'd like to thank all of the beta testers for their feedback, and I hope we didn't scare too many folks with the lack of a built-in license key in the release candidate. Pricing OmniGraffle 5 is currently available for purchase at the Omni Store . It's $99.95, and upgrades from earlier versions of OmniGraffle are $39.95. OmniGraffle Professional 5 is $199.95, and upgrades from earlier versions of OmniGraffle are $74.95. You can find out more pricing and upgrade information at the store. You can download OmniGraffle 5 or OmniGraffle Professional 5 from the OmniGraffle download page , and review of the long storied release notes are found here . Operating System Requirements OmniGraffle 5 and OmniGraffle Professional 5 require Mac OS X 10.5 (Leopard) or later to run. More Information You can find out more information about the new features at the OmniGraffle product page . Enjoy! Joel Page Product Manager, OmniGraffle The Omni Group ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ OmniGraffle-Users mailing list OmniGraffle-Users@omnigroup.com http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnigraffle-users End of OmniGraffle-Users Digest, Vol 51, Issue 4 ************************************************ From ryan at gen-x.com Mon Mar 10 15:44:24 2008 From: ryan at gen-x.com (Ryan Ward) Date: Mon Mar 10 15:44:34 2008 Subject: Can't open Visio File getting Incorrect block message Message-ID: <65D08C06-BEB2-4EA4-B9E1-1864938C4B95@gen-x.com> Hi There, New to the alias. I am unable to open a VSD file and getting this Error. "The document "XXX.VSD" could not be opened. Incorrect block" Using a newly registered, 5.0 final (v136.7.0.98135) Thanks -Ryan From terrygardner at mac.com Mon Mar 10 16:20:14 2008 From: terrygardner at mac.com (Terry Gardner) Date: Mon Mar 10 16:20:24 2008 Subject: Can't open Visio File getting Incorrect block message In-Reply-To: <65D08C06-BEB2-4EA4-B9E1-1864938C4B95@gen-x.com> References: <65D08C06-BEB2-4EA4-B9E1-1864938C4B95@gen-x.com> Message-ID: <04F89C24-A346-4769-B451-963FC1FAD538@mac.com> As a counterpoint, I opened about 20 VSDs I had with no problem, not to say you did not. I'm not sure which version(s) were used to create the VSDs I opened. On Mar 10, 2008, at 6:44 PM, Ryan Ward wrote: > Hi There, > > New to the alias. I am unable to open a VSD file and getting this > Error. "The document "XXX.VSD" could not be opened. Incorrect block" > > Using a newly registered, 5.0 final (v136.7.0.98135) > > Thanks > > -Ryan > _______________________________________________ > OmniGraffle-Users mailing list > OmniGraffle-Users@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnigraffle-users ---- Mobile: +1 404 925 6385 http://findTerry.COM Skype: Terry_J_Gardner AIM: NotEternalName Yahoo: SunJavaSystems Jabber: terry_j_gardner@jabber.org http://blogs.sun.com/terrygardner "A thing moderately good is not so good as it ought to be. Moderation in temper is always a virtue; but moderation in principle is always a vice." - Thomas Paine From ryan at gen-x.com Mon Mar 10 18:37:27 2008 From: ryan at gen-x.com (Ryan Ward) Date: Mon Mar 10 18:37:35 2008 Subject: Can't open Visio File getting Incorrect block message In-Reply-To: <65D08C06-BEB2-4EA4-B9E1-1864938C4B95@gen-x.com> References: <65D08C06-BEB2-4EA4-B9E1-1864938C4B95@gen-x.com> Message-ID: Should mention, this is the pro version. -Ryan On Mar 10, 2008, at 3:44 PM, Ryan Ward wrote: > Hi There, > > New to the alias. I am unable to open a VSD file and getting this > Error. "The document "XXX.VSD" could not be opened. Incorrect block" > > Using a newly registered, 5.0 final (v136.7.0.98135) > > Thanks > > -Ryan From erik.freitag at pobox.com Thu Mar 20 16:48:28 2008 From: erik.freitag at pobox.com (Erik Freitag) Date: Thu Mar 20 17:40:45 2008 Subject: Convert DWG files Message-ID: <2A38CC54-2713-419E-9904-3EF6D31AD854@pobox.com> Is there any way to convert DWG files to something usable by OmniGraffle? From cwalker at eaitek.com Wed Mar 26 06:47:49 2008 From: cwalker at eaitek.com (nutbuket) Date: Wed Mar 26 06:47:51 2008 Subject: HP Hardware Stencil Message-ID: <16124430.post@talk.nabble.com> I am looking for HP hardware stencils. I have a client that I do a lot of drawing for with HP UNIX and Wintel systems. Unfortunately, I only see the HP9000 old stencils. Does anyone know where I can get the stencils used in Visio that cover the new HP equipment. Oh yeah, they must be for Omnigraffle Professional. I am running version 5.0. Thanks, Nutbuket %-| -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/HP-Hardware-Stencil-tp16124430p16124430.html Sent from the OmniGraffle - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From conor.k.todd at gmail.com Wed Mar 26 08:19:15 2008 From: conor.k.todd at gmail.com (Conor Todd) Date: Wed Mar 26 08:19:19 2008 Subject: HP Hardware Stencil In-Reply-To: <16124430.post@talk.nabble.com> References: <16124430.post@talk.nabble.com> Message-ID: <4c95d0380803260819u114bcae4q421b5fda8532dbc5@mail.gmail.com> You can find Visio stencils for all of HP's gear here: http://www.visiocafe.com/hp.htm As for OG stencils... ??? - Conor On Wed, Mar 26, 2008 at 8:47 AM, nutbuket wrote: > > I am looking for HP hardware stencils. I have a client that I do a lot of > drawing for with HP UNIX and Wintel systems. Unfortunately, I only see > the > HP9000 old stencils. Does anyone know where I can get the stencils used > in > Visio that cover the new HP equipment. Oh yeah, they must be for > Omnigraffle Professional. > > I am running version 5.0. > > Thanks, > > Nutbuket %-| > -- > View this message in context: > http://www.nabble.com/HP-Hardware-Stencil-tp16124430p16124430.html > Sent from the OmniGraffle - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > _______________________________________________ > OmniGraffle-Users mailing list > OmniGraffle-Users@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnigraffle-users > -- "When human atoms are knit into an organization in which they are used, not in their full right as responsible human beings, but as cogs and levers and rods, it matters little that their raw material is flesh and blood" - Norbert Weiner, "The Human Use of Human Beings" From jpage at omnigroup.com Thu Mar 27 15:25:08 2008 From: jpage at omnigroup.com (Joel Page) Date: Thu Mar 27 15:26:18 2008 Subject: OmniGraffle 4.2.3 beta 1 is now available Message-ID: <71302F00-18E8-43BE-B1CA-269D6E5F67A4@omnigroup.com> For those of you who are still running OmniGraffle 4, we have a beta release of version 4.2.3 up for downloading. It addresses the last of the Leopard compatibility problems we've encountered and has fixed a few bugs that have cropped up since the release of version 4.2.2. Peruse the short list of release notes and download the beta at the newly-resurrected beta page . (please pay no attention to the version 5 application icon at the top of that page) Cheers, Joel Page Product Manager, OmniGraffle The Omni Group From merlyn at stonehenge.com Thu Mar 27 18:23:03 2008 From: merlyn at stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz) Date: Thu Mar 27 18:23:11 2008 Subject: OmniGraffle 4.2.3 beta 1 is now available In-Reply-To: <71302F00-18E8-43BE-B1CA-269D6E5F67A4@omnigroup.com> (Joel Page's message of "Thu, 27 Mar 2008 15:25:08 -0700") References: <71302F00-18E8-43BE-B1CA-269D6E5F67A4@omnigroup.com> Message-ID: <861w5vzloo.fsf@blue.stonehenge.com> >>>>> "Joel" == Joel Page writes: Joel> For those of you who are still running OmniGraffle 4, we have a beta Joel> release of version 4.2.3 up for downloading. It addresses the last of Joel> the Leopard compatibility problems we've encountered and has fixed a few Joel> bugs that have cropped up since the release of version 4.2.2. Yeay! And just a day before I'm cutting over to leopard. :) -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 Perl/Unix/security consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See PerlTraining.Stonehenge.com for onsite and open-enrollment Perl training! From ed_strickling at mac.com Fri Mar 28 12:09:37 2008 From: ed_strickling at mac.com (Edwin Paul Strickling) Date: Mon Mar 31 16:45:44 2008 Subject: Tutorial books available ? Message-ID: <6F39D3B3-3E3D-4E8D-A5FE-E530E36F17F3@mac.com> Know of any books on mastering OmniGaffle ?? Edwin Paul Strickling ed_strickling@matoaka.net 1st Global Capital Corp. Member FINRA/SIPC From vega at fahr-zur-hoelle.org Tue Apr 8 12:19:24 2008 From: vega at fahr-zur-hoelle.org (vega@fahr-zur-hoelle.org) Date: Tue Apr 8 12:26:10 2008 Subject: How to configure stencil of subgraph? Message-ID: <20080408191924.118220@gmx.net> Hi group, I'm just playing around with the demo of Omnigraffle 5 and think the subgraph is one of its killer features. But: Does anybody know how to modify or define the stencil for the outer box of a subgraph? It seems only that boring plain box is available for it but not any custom stencil. Some hints would be very appreciated. Regards, Tom From jpage at omnigroup.com Wed Apr 9 19:22:25 2008 From: jpage at omnigroup.com (Joel Page) Date: Wed Apr 9 19:22:31 2008 Subject: How to configure stencil of subgraph? In-Reply-To: <20080408191924.118220@gmx.net> References: <20080408191924.118220@gmx.net> Message-ID: <28106710-AEE3-4E7E-A215-144600B8020D@omnigroup.com> You can click a second time on the subgraph to select the outer shape, and inspect and change it like you would any other. Same methodology goes for groups and tables. Cheers, Joel On Apr 8, 2008, at 12:19 PM, vega@fahr-zur-hoelle.org wrote: > Hi group, > > I'm just playing around with the demo of Omnigraffle 5 and think the > subgraph is one of its killer features. But: Does anybody know how > to modify or define the stencil for the outer box of a subgraph? It > seems only that boring plain box is available for it but not any > custom stencil. > > Some hints would be very appreciated. > > Regards, > Tom > _______________________________________________ > OmniGraffle-Users mailing list > OmniGraffle-Users@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnigraffle-users From jpage at omnigroup.com Thu Apr 17 08:58:14 2008 From: jpage at omnigroup.com (Joel Page) Date: Thu Apr 17 08:57:45 2008 Subject: OmniGraffle 4.2.3 rc 1 is now available Message-ID: <64CB0154-5860-4A42-AD14-5D5BF05D0EAD@omnigroup.com> Just a few more fixes that have popped up along the way, we've fixed a recursive NIB crash when running in Spanish as well as addressing another instance of the issue where the .graffle file extension would get appended on export. The upshot to RC status is that once the final version of OmniGraffle 4.2.3 is out and about, is that version 5.0.1 can go into beta testing, it's currently busy waiting in the wings. You can find the release candidate of OmniGraffle 4.2.3 at our beta page . Cheers, Joel Page Product Manager, OmniGraffle The Omni Group From juhan at MIT.EDU Thu Apr 17 18:43:35 2008 From: juhan at MIT.EDU (Juhan Sonin) Date: Thu Apr 17 18:43:40 2008 Subject: UI designers a bit ticked at OG5 In-Reply-To: <20080417190003.E749A156480@forums.omnigroup.com> References: <20080417190003.E749A156480@forums.omnigroup.com> Message-ID: <20080417214335.wwgnzlb30rkkow0w@webmail.mit.edu> FYI: http://www.ixda.org/discuss.php?post=28176#28176 ... and these folks are big users of Graffle. They could lend a HUGE hand in upping the interface if they're embraced.... -Juhan From nbastin at mac.com Thu Apr 17 19:24:31 2008 From: nbastin at mac.com (Nicholas Bastin) Date: Thu Apr 17 19:59:29 2008 Subject: UI designers a bit ticked at OG5 In-Reply-To: <20080417214335.wwgnzlb30rkkow0w@webmail.mit.edu> References: <20080417190003.E749A156480@forums.omnigroup.com> <20080417214335.wwgnzlb30rkkow0w@webmail.mit.edu> Message-ID: On 17 Apr , 2008, at 21:43 , Juhan Sonin wrote: > FYI: http://www.ixda.org/discuss.php?post=28176#28176 > > ... and these folks are big users of Graffle. They could lend a HUGE > hand in > upping the interface if they're embraced.... I felt like saying something when I first upgraded to OG5. I absolutely abhor the interface changes. OG4 was perfectly usable, and now I feel like someone turned my world upside down, shook it a little bit, and then put it back together, but not quite the same way. I'm still having trouble accomplishing basic things that I had down in OG4. I also have a general "feeling" that the interface is much more dreary as well - the inspector icons greying out when they're not applicable is actually really disturbing to me. I know that isn't really much to work on, but the general interface just "feels" clumsy and unfamiliar, and that is not something I'm used to with an Omni product. -- Nick From wvh at omnigroup.com Fri Apr 18 11:11:44 2008 From: wvh at omnigroup.com (William Van Hecke) Date: Fri Apr 18 11:11:47 2008 Subject: UI designers a bit ticked at OG5 In-Reply-To: References: <20080417190003.E749A156480@forums.omnigroup.com> <20080417214335.wwgnzlb30rkkow0w@webmail.mit.edu> Message-ID: Hi Nick, > I felt like saying something when I first upgraded to OG5. I > absolutely abhor the interface changes. OG4 was perfectly usable, > and now I feel like someone turned my world upside down, shook it a > little bit, and then put it back together, but not quite the same > way. I'm still having trouble accomplishing basic things that I had > down in OG4. Can you mention any specific tasks that have become more difficult in version 5, even after the adjustment period that's to be expected for a major upgrade? We are careful to change things only when we think they'll be a worthwhile improvement, but the nature of software is that an improvement can take a bit of relearning. If we've actually made certain things worse, I'd love to hear about it so we can try to fix the problem. > I also have a general "feeling" that the interface is much more > dreary as well - the inspector icons greying out when they're not > applicable is actually really disturbing to me. I know that isn't > really much to work on, but the general interface just "feels" > clumsy and unfamiliar, and that is not something I'm used to with an > Omni product. We did consciously tone down the interface from the shiny, candy-like Mac OS X 10.3-like buttons, to fit in better with the admittedly dreary Mac OS X 10.5 environment. We used iWork as our model for designing the new toolbar buttons, and I think they do a good job of being findable without being distracting. As for the inspector icons turning gray when they're inapplicable, that's a pretty concrete usability benefit, and we've been doing it since OmniGraffle 4. If you have any specific feedback about features that are awkward to get at in the new version, or other usability problems, please go ahead and use the Send Feedback command in the Help menu. We'd be happy to hear your comments. Thanks! William Van Hecke ~User Experience Lead~ The Omni Group From nbastin at mac.com Fri Apr 18 11:21:10 2008 From: nbastin at mac.com (Nicholas Bastin) Date: Fri Apr 18 11:22:00 2008 Subject: UI designers a bit ticked at OG5 In-Reply-To: References: <20080417190003.E749A156480@forums.omnigroup.com> <20080417214335.wwgnzlb30rkkow0w@webmail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <864198A6-E13B-4ECF-851F-178FB0E95AE1@mac.com> On 18 Apr , 2008, at 14:11 , William Van Hecke wrote: > Hi Nick, > >> I felt like saying something when I first upgraded to OG5. I >> absolutely abhor the interface changes. OG4 was perfectly usable, >> and now I feel like someone turned my world upside down, shook it a >> little bit, and then put it back together, but not quite the same >> way. I'm still having trouble accomplishing basic things that I >> had down in OG4. > > Can you mention any specific tasks that have become more difficult > in version 5, even after the adjustment period that's to be expected > for a major upgrade? We are careful to change things only when we > think they'll be a worthwhile improvement, but the nature of > software is that an improvement can take a bit of relearning. If > we've actually made certain things worse, I'd love to hear about it > so we can try to fix the problem. I'll try to think more consciously about this as I use it moving forward. > > >> I also have a general "feeling" that the interface is much more >> dreary as well - the inspector icons greying out when they're not >> applicable is actually really disturbing to me. I know that isn't >> really much to work on, but the general interface just "feels" >> clumsy and unfamiliar, and that is not something I'm used to with >> an Omni product. > > We did consciously tone down the interface from the shiny, candy- > like Mac OS X 10.3-like buttons, to fit in better with the > admittedly dreary Mac OS X 10.5 environment. We used iWork as our > model for designing the new toolbar buttons, and I think they do a > good job of being findable without being distracting. As for the > inspector icons turning gray when they're inapplicable, that's a > pretty concrete usability benefit, and we've been doing it since > OmniGraffle 4. I understand the usability benefit, although it is very dreary. Also, I'm pretty sure that OG4 did not have them greyed out when no document was open. My *initial* impression of OG5 was this grey dreary inspector and toolbars, which is, as far as I can recall, not what it felt like in OG4. -- Nick From bysteven at cisco.com Fri Apr 18 11:32:06 2008 From: bysteven at cisco.com (Byron Stevens) Date: Fri Apr 18 11:32:13 2008 Subject: UI designers a bit ticked at OG5 In-Reply-To: References: <20080417190003.E749A156480@forums.omnigroup.com> <20080417214335.wwgnzlb30rkkow0w@webmail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <64B921E8-953F-4E8B-A3C0-89A4F6D2C1B4@cisco.com> Hi William, OK, here are some particulars I recorded back in December - and lost in the drafts pile, so apologies for not getting them in a lot sooner! These particular changes make my workflow much harder every day than with OG4 pro: . I really miss the old way of indicating visible layers on the canvas list - I find the disappearing eyeball very confusing when in a hurry - I frequently misread the layer state & have to pore over every layer in order to figure out which one is actually on & off. Very painful when you have a multitude of layers (as I very often do). . I also miss the old "selected" indicator on the canvas list indicating which layer a selected object lives in. Although the abilility to select an object from the new object list is sometimes helpful (when objects are totally occluded for example), it's not nearly as useful as being able to select an object on the canvas and quickly see which layer it belongs to. The selection is also not actionable in the main view. I used that a lot in OG 4 when cleaning up misplaced objects, or moving objects to the proper layer. These new "features" are proving to be quite unproductive for me: . In OG 4 I could select an object, go to the canvas list, change layer focus, and perform operations on the object like select another layer, duplicate the object into the new layer, nudge around etc. Now I find that although the object appears selected I can't act on it. Instead I must go back to the main window & then de-select & re- select the object - very difficult now! In many cases the layer focus shifts to another layer (topmost?) - an action whose rules I have yet to figure out & get it to perform consistently. . this "feature" also causes an impossible situation when attempting to select underlying objects that are completely occluded - they can't be manipulated, as hunting and then selecting them in the object list and attempting to nudge (for example) only produces a beep - no actions are possible without going back to the main view, and finding a way to re-select the occluded object - kinda useless & very frustrating :-). Regards, Byron On Apr 18, 2008, at 11:11 AM, William Van Hecke wrote: > Hi Nick, > >> I felt like saying something when I first upgraded to OG5. I >> absolutely abhor the interface changes. OG4 was perfectly usable, >> and now I feel like someone turned my world upside down, shook it a >> little bit, and then put it back together, but not quite the same >> way. I'm still having trouble accomplishing basic things that I >> had down in OG4. > > Can you mention any specific tasks that have become more difficult > in version 5, even after the adjustment period that's to be expected > for a major upgrade? We are careful to change things only when we > think they'll be a worthwhile improvement, but the nature of > software is that an improvement can take a bit of relearning. If > we've actually made certain things worse, I'd love to hear about it > so we can try to fix the problem. > >> I also have a general "feeling" that the interface is much more >> dreary as well - the inspector icons greying out when they're not >> applicable is actually really disturbing to me. I know that isn't >> really much to work on, but the general interface just "feels" >> clumsy and unfamiliar, and that is not something I'm used to with >> an Omni product. > > We did consciously tone down the interface from the shiny, candy- > like Mac OS X 10.3-like buttons, to fit in better with the > admittedly dreary Mac OS X 10.5 environment. We used iWork as our > model for designing the new toolbar buttons, and I think they do a > good job of being findable without being distracting. As for the > inspector icons turning gray when they're inapplicable, that's a > pretty concrete usability benefit, and we've been doing it since > OmniGraffle 4. > > If you have any specific feedback about features that are awkward to > get at in the new version, or other usability problems, please go > ahead and use the Send Feedback command in the Help menu. We'd be > happy to hear your comments. > > Thanks! > William Van Hecke > ~User Experience Lead~ > The Omni Group > _______________________________________________ > OmniGraffle-Users mailing list > OmniGraffle-Users@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnigraffle-users From wvh at omnigroup.com Fri Apr 18 12:54:10 2008 From: wvh at omnigroup.com (William Van Hecke) Date: Fri Apr 18 12:54:12 2008 Subject: UI designers a bit ticked at OG5 In-Reply-To: <64B921E8-953F-4E8B-A3C0-89A4F6D2C1B4@cisco.com> References: <20080417190003.E749A156480@forums.omnigroup.com> <20080417214335.wwgnzlb30rkkow0w@webmail.mit.edu> <64B921E8-953F-4E8B-A3C0-89A4F6D2C1B4@cisco.com> Message-ID: Howdy Byron, Thanks for taking the time to write this up! These are problems we've also run into ourselves, and have discussed around the coffee machine as recently as this morning. So I'll add your comments to the discussion, and hopefully we can improve the situation in a future update. Thanks again, William Van Hecke ~User Experience Lead~ The Omni Group > OK, here are some particulars I recorded back in December - and lost > in the drafts pile, so apologies for not getting them in a lot > sooner! These particular changes make my workflow much harder every > day than with OG4 pro: > > . I really miss the old way of indicating visible layers on the > canvas list - I find the disappearing eyeball very confusing when in > a hurry - I frequently misread the layer state & have to pore over > every layer in order to figure out which one is actually on & off. > Very painful when you have a multitude of layers (as I very often do). > . I also miss the old "selected" indicator on the canvas list > indicating which layer a selected object lives in. Although the > abilility to select an object from the new object list is sometimes > helpful (when objects are totally occluded for example), it's not > nearly as useful as being able to select an object on the canvas and > quickly see which layer it belongs to. The selection is also not > actionable in the main view. I used that a lot in OG 4 when > cleaning up misplaced objects, or moving objects to the proper layer. > > These new "features" are proving to be quite unproductive for me: > . In OG 4 I could select an object, go to the canvas list, change > layer focus, and perform operations on the object like select > another layer, duplicate the object into the new layer, nudge > around etc. Now I find that although the object appears selected I > can't act on it. Instead I must go back to the main window & then > de-select & re-select the object - very difficult now! In many > cases the layer focus shifts to another layer (topmost?) - an action > whose rules I have yet to figure out & get it to perform consistently. > . this "feature" also causes an impossible situation when attempting > to select underlying objects that are completely occluded - they > can't be manipulated, as hunting and then selecting them in the > object list and attempting to nudge (for example) only produces a > beep - no actions are possible without going back to the main view, > and finding a way to re-select the occluded object - kinda useless & > very frustrating :-). From stefan at ibuildings.nl Mon Apr 21 08:10:27 2008 From: stefan at ibuildings.nl (Stefan Koopmanschap - Ibuildings.nl) Date: Mon Apr 21 08:30:52 2008 Subject: system freezes Message-ID: <480CAE63.4070507@ibuildings.nl> Hello, I am relatively new user in the Mac family, having gotten my first Mac in november 2007. One of the apps I've been trying out since then is OmniGraffle and since a week, my employer bought me a license for OmniGraffle Pro 5. I am one happy kid here, being able to make great flowcharts and such. However, now that I got the license from my employer, I have upgraded to OmniGraffle 5. Ever since doing that, I've been having trouble with my system's interface hanging while using OmniGraffle. This is usually (but not always) triggered by me saving my work. What happens is that the interface of my Mac seems to hang, however I can still move my mouse and iTunes keeps playing in the background. But I can not change focus anymore to other windows either by clicking or otherwise trying to switch focus. Obviously, this is rather annoying as I have to power down the Mac to get it back. Has anyone else experienced this? Any clues on what might cause this problem? Any solutions? Sincerely, Stefan -- Ibuildings - the PHP Professionals *Stefan Koopmanschap* Software Engineer (Zend PHP5 Certified) skype: stefan-ibuildings e-mail: stefan@ibuildings.nl phone: +31 (0) 88 00 24 000 www.ibuildings.nl To all agreements with Ibuildings.nl BV, our general terms and conditions apply. From tim.streater at dante.org.uk Mon Apr 21 09:07:26 2008 From: tim.streater at dante.org.uk (Tim Streater) Date: Mon Apr 21 09:30:55 2008 Subject: system freezes In-Reply-To: <480CAE63.4070507@ibuildings.nl> References: <480CAE63.4070507@ibuildings.nl> Message-ID: At 16:10 21/04/2008, Stefan Koopmanschap - Ibuildings.nl wrote: >Hello, > >I am relatively new user in the Mac family, having gotten my first Mac in november 2007. One of the apps I've been trying out since then is OmniGraffle and since a week, my employer bought me a license for OmniGraffle Pro 5. I am one happy kid here, >being able to make great flowcharts and such. > >However, now that I got the license from my employer, I have upgraded to OmniGraffle 5. Ever since doing that, I've been having trouble with my system's interface hanging while using OmniGraffle. This is usually (but not always) triggered by me saving >my work. What happens is that the interface of my Mac seems to hang, however I can still move my mouse and iTunes keeps playing in the background. But I can not change focus anymore to other windows either by clicking or otherwise trying to switch >focus. Obviously, this is rather annoying as I have to power down the Mac to get it back. Instead of power cycling the Mac, can you use the "Force quit ..." entry on the Apple Menu? -- Tim From alan at polyphase.ca Mon Apr 21 10:06:27 2008 From: alan at polyphase.ca (Alan Hawrylyshen) Date: Mon Apr 21 10:06:32 2008 Subject: system freezes In-Reply-To: References: <480CAE63.4070507@ibuildings.nl> Message-ID: <5F63D711-6D3A-4CD0-99B0-6FCBA95987BA@polyphase.ca> On 21-Apr-08, at 09:07 , Tim Streater wrote: > Instead of power cycling the Mac, can you use the "Force quit ..." > entry on the Apple Menu? If the menu bar is unresponsive, you can try Option-Command-Escape to bring up the force quit menu. Sometimes Command-Tab will also move you out of the 'locked' application -- all worth trying. Alan Hawrylyshen From srogers1 at gmail.com Mon Apr 21 10:05:48 2008 From: srogers1 at gmail.com (Steve Rogers) Date: Mon Apr 21 10:08:20 2008 Subject: system freezes In-Reply-To: References: <480CAE63.4070507@ibuildings.nl> Message-ID: <4E3111F9-F44C-489A-B320-1AA8B7ABE84E@gmail.com> On Apr 21, 2008, at 11:07 AM, Tim Streater wrote: > At 16:10 21/04/2008, Stefan Koopmanschap - Ibuildings.nl wrote: >> >> However, now that I got the license from my employer, I have >> upgraded to OmniGraffle 5. Ever since doing that, I've been having >> trouble with my system's interface hanging while using >> OmniGraffle. . . . > > Instead of power cycling the Mac, can you use the "Force quit ..." > entry on the Apple Menu? Additionally, make sure you have the latest EFI update and the latest version of OS X. Run Apple Menu -> Software Update . . . I have seen some problems with the finder hanging (that have nothing in particular to do with OmniGraffle) that seemed to get a lot better with the latest updates. SR From srogers1 at gmail.com Mon Apr 21 10:05:48 2008 From: srogers1 at gmail.com (Steve Rogers) Date: Mon Apr 21 10:21:05 2008 Subject: system freezes In-Reply-To: References: <480CAE63.4070507@ibuildings.nl> Message-ID: <4E3111F9-F44C-489A-B320-1AA8B7ABE84E@gmail.com> On Apr 21, 2008, at 11:07 AM, Tim Streater wrote: > At 16:10 21/04/2008, Stefan Koopmanschap - Ibuildings.nl wrote: >> >> However, now that I got the license from my employer, I have >> upgraded to OmniGraffle 5. Ever since doing that, I've been having >> trouble with my system's interface hanging while using >> OmniGraffle. . . . > > Instead of power cycling the Mac, can you use the "Force quit ..." > entry on the Apple Menu? Additionally, make sure you have the latest EFI update and the latest version of OS X. Run Apple Menu -> Software Update . . . I have seen some problems with the finder hanging (that have nothing in particular to do with OmniGraffle) that seemed to get a lot better with the latest updates. SR From jpage at omnigroup.com Mon Apr 21 10:55:20 2008 From: jpage at omnigroup.com (Joel Page) Date: Mon Apr 21 10:55:22 2008 Subject: system freezes In-Reply-To: <480CAE63.4070507@ibuildings.nl> References: <480CAE63.4070507@ibuildings.nl> Message-ID: We've had some other reports of this, I should also mention that other users running Office 2008 as well as World of Warcraft have been experiencing similar system freezes. Seems to have something to do with NVidia drivers, and rumor has it that it may be fixed in 10.5.3. Stefan, can I get you to send in the windowserver.log from Console.app? It's found near the bottom of the list in LOG FILES --> / var/log. Just send it in to omnigraffle@omnigroup.com. It would be greatly appreciated. Joel On Apr 21, 2008, at 8:10 AM, Stefan Koopmanschap - Ibuildings.nl wrote: > Hello, > > I am relatively new user in the Mac family, having gotten my first > Mac in november 2007. One of the apps I've been trying out since > then is OmniGraffle and since a week, my employer bought me a > license for OmniGraffle Pro 5. I am one happy kid here, being able > to make great flowcharts and such. > > However, now that I got the license from my employer, I have > upgraded to OmniGraffle 5. Ever since doing that, I've been having > trouble with my system's interface hanging while using OmniGraffle. > This is usually (but not always) triggered by me saving my work. > What happens is that the interface of my Mac seems to hang, however > I can still move my mouse and iTunes keeps playing in the > background. But I can not change focus anymore to other windows > either by clicking or otherwise trying to switch focus. Obviously, > this is rather annoying as I have to power down the Mac to get it > back. > > Has anyone else experienced this? Any clues on what might cause this > problem? Any solutions? > > Sincerely, > > Stefan > -- > Ibuildings - the PHP Professionals > > *Stefan Koopmanschap* > Software Engineer (Zend PHP5 Certified) > > skype: stefan-ibuildings > e-mail: stefan@ibuildings.nl > > phone: +31 (0) 88 00 24 000 > www.ibuildings.nl > > To all agreements with Ibuildings.nl BV, our general terms and > conditions apply. > _______________________________________________ > OmniGraffle-Users mailing list > OmniGraffle-Users@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnigraffle-users From stefan at ibuildings.nl Tue Apr 22 06:17:20 2008 From: stefan at ibuildings.nl (Stefan Koopmanschap - Ibuildings.nl) Date: Tue Apr 22 06:17:31 2008 Subject: system freezes In-Reply-To: References: <480CAE63.4070507@ibuildings.nl> Message-ID: <480DE560.6080609@ibuildings.nl> Hello Joel, Well, yes, that is correct. I have the same thing happening to me when using World of Warcraft, but *only* when I have my external screen attached. This is possibly related to that? So perhaps it can be prevented by disconnecting my second screen before starting OmniGraffle? I will send the windowserver.log as soon as it happens again to me. Weird enough, I've been using Omnigraffle heavily again today without any problems as of yet. Stefan Joel Page wrote: > We've had some other reports of this, I should also mention that other > users running Office 2008 as well as World of Warcraft have been > experiencing similar system freezes. Seems to have something to do > with NVidia drivers, and rumor has it that it may be fixed in 10.5.3. > > Stefan, can I get you to send in the windowserver.log from > Console.app? It's found near the bottom of the list in LOG FILES --> > /var/log. Just send it in to omnigraffle@omnigroup.com. > > It would be greatly appreciated. > > Joel > > On Apr 21, 2008, at 8:10 AM, Stefan Koopmanschap - Ibuildings.nl wrote: > >> Hello, >> >> I am relatively new user in the Mac family, having gotten my first >> Mac in november 2007. One of the apps I've been trying out since then >> is OmniGraffle and since a week, my employer bought me a license for >> OmniGraffle Pro 5. I am one happy kid here, being able to make great >> flowcharts and such. >> >> However, now that I got the license from my employer, I have upgraded >> to OmniGraffle 5. Ever since doing that, I've been having trouble >> with my system's interface hanging while using OmniGraffle. This is >> usually (but not always) triggered by me saving my work. What happens >> is that the interface of my Mac seems to hang, however I can still >> move my mouse and iTunes keeps playing in the background. But I can >> not change focus anymore to other windows either by clicking or >> otherwise trying to switch focus. Obviously, this is rather annoying >> as I have to power down the Mac to get it back. >> >> Has anyone else experienced this? Any clues on what might cause this >> problem? Any solutions? >> >> Sincerely, >> >> Stefan >> -- >> Ibuildings - the PHP Professionals >> >> *Stefan Koopmanschap* >> Software Engineer (Zend PHP5 Certified) >> >> skype: stefan-ibuildings >> e-mail: stefan@ibuildings.nl >> >> phone: +31 (0) 88 00 24 000 >> www.ibuildings.nl >> >> To all agreements with Ibuildings.nl BV, our general terms and >> conditions apply. >> _______________________________________________ >> OmniGraffle-Users mailing list >> OmniGraffle-Users@omnigroup.com >> http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnigraffle-users > > _______________________________________________ > OmniGraffle-Users mailing list > OmniGraffle-Users@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnigraffle-users -- Ibuildings - the PHP Professionals *Stefan Koopmanschap* Professional Services Consultant (Zend PHP5 Certified) skype: stefan-ibuildings e-mail: stefan@ibuildings.nl phone: +31 (0) 88 00 24 000 www.ibuildings.nl To all agreements with Ibuildings.nl BV, our general terms and conditions apply. From jpage at omnigroup.com Tue Apr 22 11:15:23 2008 From: jpage at omnigroup.com (Joel Page) Date: Tue Apr 22 11:15:24 2008 Subject: system freezes In-Reply-To: <480DE560.6080609@ibuildings.nl> References: <480CAE63.4070507@ibuildings.nl> <480DE560.6080609@ibuildings.nl> Message-ID: <78BD82CC-F888-48CD-A5C7-D117F5963C10@omnigroup.com> Yes, external displays are a very likely culprit given the feedback we've received thus far. JP On Apr 22, 2008, at 6:17 AM, Stefan Koopmanschap - Ibuildings.nl wrote: > Hello Joel, > > Well, yes, that is correct. I have the same thing happening to me > when using World of Warcraft, but *only* when I have my external > screen attached. This is possibly related to that? So perhaps it can > be prevented by disconnecting my second screen before starting > OmniGraffle? > > I will send the windowserver.log as soon as it happens again to me. > Weird enough, I've been using Omnigraffle heavily again today > without any problems as of yet. > > Stefan > > Joel Page wrote: >> We've had some other reports of this, I should also mention that >> other users running Office 2008 as well as World of Warcraft have >> been experiencing similar system freezes. Seems to have something >> to do with NVidia drivers, and rumor has it that it may be fixed in >> 10.5.3. >> >> Stefan, can I get you to send in the windowserver.log from >> Console.app? It's found near the bottom of the list in LOG FILES -- >> > /var/log. Just send it in to omnigraffle@omnigroup.com. >> >> It would be greatly appreciated. >> >> Joel >> >> On Apr 21, 2008, at 8:10 AM, Stefan Koopmanschap - Ibuildings.nl >> wrote: >> >>> Hello, >>> >>> I am relatively new user in the Mac family, having gotten my first >>> Mac in november 2007. One of the apps I've been trying out since >>> then is OmniGraffle and since a week, my employer bought me a >>> license for OmniGraffle Pro 5. I am one happy kid here, being able >>> to make great flowcharts and such. >>> >>> However, now that I got the license from my employer, I have >>> upgraded to OmniGraffle 5. Ever since doing that, I've been having >>> trouble with my system's interface hanging while using >>> OmniGraffle. This is usually (but not always) triggered by me >>> saving my work. What happens is that the interface of my Mac seems >>> to hang, however I can still move my mouse and iTunes keeps >>> playing in the background. But I can not change focus anymore to >>> other windows either by clicking or otherwise trying to switch >>> focus. Obviously, this is rather annoying as I have to power down >>> the Mac to get it back. >>> >>> Has anyone else experienced this? Any clues on what might cause >>> this problem? Any solutions? >>> >>> Sincerely, >>> >>> Stefan >>> -- >>> Ibuildings - the PHP Professionals >>> >>> *Stefan Koopmanschap* >>> Software Engineer (Zend PHP5 Certified) >>> >>> skype: stefan-ibuildings >>> e-mail: stefan@ibuildings.nl >>> >>> phone: +31 (0) 88 00 24 000 >>> www.ibuildings.nl >>> >>> To all agreements with Ibuildings.nl BV, our general terms and >>> conditions apply. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> OmniGraffle-Users mailing list >>> OmniGraffle-Users@omnigroup.com >>> http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnigraffle-users >> >> _______________________________________________ >> OmniGraffle-Users mailing list >> OmniGraffle-Users@omnigroup.com >> http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnigraffle-users > > > -- > Ibuildings - the PHP Professionals > > *Stefan Koopmanschap* > Professional Services Consultant (Zend PHP5 Certified) > > skype: stefan-ibuildings > e-mail: stefan@ibuildings.nl > > phone: +31 (0) 88 00 24 000 > www.ibuildings.nl > > To all agreements with Ibuildings.nl BV, our general terms and > conditions apply. > _______________________________________________ > OmniGraffle-Users mailing list > OmniGraffle-Users@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnigraffle-users From vjdif at prodigy.net Wed Apr 23 10:27:30 2008 From: vjdif at prodigy.net (Vic DiFranco) Date: Wed Apr 23 10:34:13 2008 Subject: Circle Arcs Message-ID: <27F01791-4670-4BE3-B56B-842BDA947863@prodigy.net> Hello Everybody, Some time ago, I created an arc of a circle as an object. There is a built in quarter-arc (90 deg) in the OmniGraffle Style Inspector (Lines and Shapes), but the ones I created are about 30 deg, and the other is about 45 deg. The thing is, I can't for the life of me remember HOW I created those shapes. And I can't do it again. Can someone tell me how to create an arc of a circle, and adjust the degree of the arc? Best regards, Vic DiFranco From john at oram.com Wed Apr 23 11:15:40 2008 From: john at oram.com (John Oram) Date: Wed Apr 23 11:15:57 2008 Subject: Circle Arcs In-Reply-To: <27F01791-4670-4BE3-B56B-842BDA947863@prodigy.net> References: <27F01791-4670-4BE3-B56B-842BDA947863@prodigy.net> Message-ID: Peter McMaster's scripts still seem to work in OG 5. http://www.petermcm.dircon.co.uk/software/index.html At 12:27 PM -0500 4/23/08, Vic DiFranco wrote: >Hello Everybody, > > Some time ago, I created an arc of a circle as an object. >There is a built in quarter-arc (90 deg) in the OmniGraffle Style >Inspector (Lines and Shapes), but the ones I created are about 30 >deg, and the other is about 45 deg. > > The thing is, I can't for the life of me remember HOW I >created those shapes. And I can't do it again. Can someone tell me >how to create an arc of a circle, and adjust the degree of the arc? > > Best regards, > Vic DiFranco >_______________________________________________ >OmniGraffle-Users mailing list >OmniGraffle-Users@omnigroup.com >http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnigraffle-users From stefan at ibuildings.nl Wed Apr 23 11:29:31 2008 From: stefan at ibuildings.nl (Stefan Koopmanschap - Ibuildings.nl) Date: Wed Apr 23 11:41:39 2008 Subject: system freezes In-Reply-To: <78BD82CC-F888-48CD-A5C7-D117F5963C10@omnigroup.com> References: <480CAE63.4070507@ibuildings.nl> <480DE560.6080609@ibuildings.nl> <78BD82CC-F888-48CD-A5C7-D117F5963C10@omnigroup.com> Message-ID: <480F800B.3060804@ibuildings.nl> Well, I want to add to that. I've been working without my external display for a day while using OmniGraffle and have had no freezes at all. So quite possibly this is related to some kind of video driver problem that apple needs to fix (I guess). I'll have to check the Apple website to see where I can report this :) Stefan Joel Page wrote: > Yes, external displays are a very likely culprit given the feedback > we've received thus far. > > JP > > On Apr 22, 2008, at 6:17 AM, Stefan Koopmanschap - Ibuildings.nl wrote: > >> Hello Joel, >> >> Well, yes, that is correct. I have the same thing happening to me >> when using World of Warcraft, but *only* when I have my external >> screen attached. This is possibly related to that? So perhaps it can >> be prevented by disconnecting my second screen before starting >> OmniGraffle? >> >> I will send the windowserver.log as soon as it happens again to me. >> Weird enough, I've been using Omnigraffle heavily again today without >> any problems as of yet. >> >> Stefan >> >> Joel Page wrote: >>> We've had some other reports of this, I should also mention that >>> other users running Office 2008 as well as World of Warcraft have >>> been experiencing similar system freezes. Seems to have something to >>> do with NVidia drivers, and rumor has it that it may be fixed in >>> 10.5.3. >>> >>> Stefan, can I get you to send in the windowserver.log from >>> Console.app? It's found near the bottom of the list in LOG FILES --> >>> /var/log. Just send it in to omnigraffle@omnigroup.com. >>> >>> It would be greatly appreciated. >>> >>> Joel >>> >>> On Apr 21, 2008, at 8:10 AM, Stefan Koopmanschap - Ibuildings.nl wrote: >>> >>>> Hello, >>>> >>>> I am relatively new user in the Mac family, having gotten my first >>>> Mac in november 2007. One of the apps I've been trying out since >>>> then is OmniGraffle and since a week, my employer bought me a >>>> license for OmniGraffle Pro 5. I am one happy kid here, being able >>>> to make great flowcharts and such. >>>> >>>> However, now that I got the license from my employer, I have >>>> upgraded to OmniGraffle 5. Ever since doing that, I've been having >>>> trouble with my system's interface hanging while using OmniGraffle. >>>> This is usually (but not always) triggered by me saving my work. >>>> What happens is that the interface of my Mac seems to hang, however >>>> I can still move my mouse and iTunes keeps playing in the >>>> background. But I can not change focus anymore to other windows >>>> either by clicking or otherwise trying to switch focus. Obviously, >>>> this is rather annoying as I have to power down the Mac to get it >>>> back. >>>> >>>> Has anyone else experienced this? Any clues on what might cause >>>> this problem? Any solutions? >>>> >>>> Sincerely, >>>> >>>> Stefan >>>> -- >>>> Ibuildings - the PHP Professionals >>>> >>>> *Stefan Koopmanschap* >>>> Software Engineer (Zend PHP5 Certified) >>>> >>>> skype: stefan-ibuildings >>>> e-mail: stefan@ibuildings.nl >>>> >>>> phone: +31 (0) 88 00 24 000 >>>> www.ibuildings.nl >>>> >>>> To all agreements with Ibuildings.nl BV, our general terms and >>>> conditions apply. >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> OmniGraffle-Users mailing list >>>> OmniGraffle-Users@omnigroup.com >>>> http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnigraffle-users >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> OmniGraffle-Users mailing list >>> OmniGraffle-Users@omnigroup.com >>> http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnigraffle-users >> >> >> -- >> Ibuildings - the PHP Professionals >> >> *Stefan Koopmanschap* >> Professional Services Consultant (Zend PHP5 Certified) >> >> skype: stefan-ibuildings >> e-mail: stefan@ibuildings.nl >> >> phone: +31 (0) 88 00 24 000 >> www.ibuildings.nl >> >> To all agreements with Ibuildings.nl BV, our general terms and >> conditions apply. >> _______________________________________________ >> OmniGraffle-Users mailing list >> OmniGraffle-Users@omnigroup.com >> http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnigraffle-users > > _______________________________________________ > OmniGraffle-Users mailing list > OmniGraffle-Users@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnigraffle-users -- Ibuildings - the PHP Professionals *Stefan Koopmanschap* Professional Services Consultant (Zend PHP5 Certified) skype: stefan-ibuildings e-mail: stefan@ibuildings.nl phone: +31 (0) 88 00 24 000 www.ibuildings.nl To all agreements with Ibuildings.nl BV, our general terms and conditions apply. From kei.ishii at gmail.com Wed Apr 23 12:59:21 2008 From: kei.ishii at gmail.com (Kei Ishii) Date: Wed Apr 23 13:06:11 2008 Subject: Circle Arcs In-Reply-To: References: <27F01791-4670-4BE3-B56B-842BDA947863@prodigy.net> Message-ID: <01B7D71B-D154-423A-B3DD-157A3E24CE7A@gmail.com> Also, if you own OmniGraffle Pro (works in version 4), then you can substract shapes from each other. For example, take two 90? arcs, and rotate the frontmost one 45?, put the points above each other, select both shapes, and activate "Edit > Shapes > Substract Shape". The beauty of OmniGraffle Pro :-) Cheers, Kei. On 23.04.2008, at 20:15, John Oram wrote: > Peter McMaster's scripts still seem to work in OG 5. > > http://www.petermcm.dircon.co.uk/software/index.html > > At 12:27 PM -0500 4/23/08, Vic DiFranco wrote: >> Hello Everybody, >> >> Some time ago, I created an arc of a circle as an object. There is >> a built in quarter-arc (90 deg) in the OmniGraffle Style Inspector >> (Lines and Shapes), but the ones I created are about 30 deg, and >> the other is about 45 deg. >> >> The thing is, I can't for the life of me remember HOW I created >> those shapes. And I can't do it again. Can someone tell me how to >> create an arc of a circle, and adjust the degree of the arc? >> >> Best regards, >> Vic DiFranco From juhan at MIT.EDU Thu Apr 24 11:56:13 2008 From: juhan at MIT.EDU (Juhan Sonin) Date: Thu Apr 24 11:56:18 2008 Subject: Perfect squares, circles Message-ID: <20080424145613.c1f1wrkzh2ckkkcc@webmail.mit.edu> OG5 Pro: Common Shapes palette. Where have the default perfect squares and circles gone? Why force me to manually adjust the dimensions to get a perfect square or circle? The oval is labeled circle in the palette description box (with a size value of 0.75 in, 0.5 in). Also, the green background is distracting. I get that stencils have a green icon, but the background color takes away from the potential color of stencil objects. Let the stencil objects sing, not the background. -Juhan From juhan at MIT.EDU Thu Apr 24 14:43:54 2008 From: juhan at MIT.EDU (Juhan Sonin) Date: Thu Apr 24 14:44:00 2008 Subject: Perfect squares, circles In-Reply-To: <4810FD2C.5060902@ornl.gov> References: <20080424145613.c1f1wrkzh2ckkkcc@webmail.mit.edu> <4810FD2C.5060902@ornl.gov> Message-ID: <20080424174354.hecp86fmlzc408w0@webmail.mit.edu> Spot on Sean. Shift-growing does keep the ratio constant. I use this action all the time. My beef is that the default "circle" in the shapes palette is not a circle, but an oval... so when I drag it onto a canvas, I need to manually adjust it to a perfect circle 9 times out of 10 when I'm in need of a true circle. I must be doing something wrong or my settings are screwy/non-standard. -Juhan Quoting Sean Ahern : > Juhan Sonin wrote: >> OG5 Pro: Common Shapes palette. >> >> Where have the default perfect squares and circles gone? Why force me to >> manually adjust the dimensions to get a perfect square or circle? >> The oval is >> labeled circle in the palette description box (with a size value of 0.75 in, >> 0.5 in). > > I don't have OG5 (yet), but can't you hold down the Shift key while > drawing the square or circle to constrain it to have a 1:1 aspect > ratio? > > -Sean > > __ > Sean Ahern > Oak Ridge National Laboratory > AIM: ornlsean > 865-241-3748 > From ahern at ornl.gov Thu Apr 24 14:49:56 2008 From: ahern at ornl.gov (Sean Ahern) Date: Thu Apr 24 14:49:58 2008 Subject: Perfect squares, circles In-Reply-To: <20080424174354.hecp86fmlzc408w0@webmail.mit.edu> References: <20080424145613.c1f1wrkzh2ckkkcc@webmail.mit.edu> <4810FD2C.5060902@ornl.gov> <20080424174354.hecp86fmlzc408w0@webmail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <48110084.3000902@ornl.gov> Juhan Sonin wrote: > My beef is that the default "circle" in the shapes palette is not a > circle, but an oval... so when I drag it onto a canvas, I need to > manually adjust it to a perfect circle 9 times out of 10 when I'm in > need of a true circle. I understand the issue now. Yes, I can see that being a concern. Just a thought? Could you put a perfect circle and square into a stencil and use those whenever you want to drag one into your palette? Not a solution to the problem, but a possible workaround. -Sean __ Sean Ahern Oak Ridge National Laboratory AIM: ornlsean 865-241-3748 From ahern at ornl.gov Thu Apr 24 14:35:40 2008 From: ahern at ornl.gov (Sean Ahern) Date: Thu Apr 24 15:00:24 2008 Subject: Perfect squares, circles In-Reply-To: <20080424145613.c1f1wrkzh2ckkkcc@webmail.mit.edu> References: <20080424145613.c1f1wrkzh2ckkkcc@webmail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <4810FD2C.5060902@ornl.gov> Juhan Sonin wrote: > OG5 Pro: Common Shapes palette. > > Where have the default perfect squares and circles gone? Why force me to > manually adjust the dimensions to get a perfect square or circle? The oval is > labeled circle in the palette description box (with a size value of 0.75 in, > 0.5 in). I don't have OG5 (yet), but can't you hold down the Shift key while drawing the square or circle to constrain it to have a 1:1 aspect ratio? -Sean __ Sean Ahern Oak Ridge National Laboratory AIM: ornlsean 865-241-3748 From vjdif at prodigy.net Fri Apr 25 08:49:37 2008 From: vjdif at prodigy.net (Vic DiFranco) Date: Fri Apr 25 08:49:39 2008 Subject: Circle Arcs Message-ID: <0AEFD4BD-C990-453A-AA01-29B3FF07ACD4@prodigy.net> Hello Kei and Joel, I was the one who originally submitted the question on circle arcs. I tried to do what Kei Ishii suggested, but not successfully. I have OmniGraffle Pro ver 4.2.1. My computer is a Macintosh Powerbook G4 with OS 10.4.11. I created a 90 deg arc, using the built-in tool in the Styles Inspector (Lines and Shapes). I turned off the Shadow and Fill, so there is only a 90 deg arc. In my example, the object measures 2 in x 2 in. I then duplicated the object (Edit-Duplicate), and rotated the copy 45 deg in the Properties Inspector (Geometry). As best I could, I overlapped the two objects over the 45 deg common segment. Actually, they don't overlap exactly - there must be a minor error introduced with the rotation. But then, selecting both objects and Edit-Shapes-Subtract Shapes, I get as a result a custom shape which is a segment, rather than an arc. That is, the two radii are drawn to the arc. Also, there is a slight error at the "center", where the radii meet. They don't meet exactly. All-in-all, a lot of work for less than ideal results. Joel, I think a future upgrade should add the ability to create arcs, of any degree. This seems to be a fundamental need for any drawing program, and I'm surprised that a fine program like OmniGraffle doesn't include it. Best regards, Vic DiFranco From kei.ishii at gmail.com Fri Apr 25 11:31:03 2008 From: kei.ishii at gmail.com (Kei Ishii) Date: Fri Apr 25 11:31:18 2008 Subject: Circle Arcs In-Reply-To: <0AEFD4BD-C990-453A-AA01-29B3FF07ACD4@prodigy.net> References: <0AEFD4BD-C990-453A-AA01-29B3FF07ACD4@prodigy.net> Message-ID: <913D71A1-E399-4161-A1BA-0894BFB24DAE@gmail.com> Hi Vic, I apologize for not reading precisely what you wanted, I assumed you wanted a "pie shape"... Your best bet might indeed be the arc script mentioned by John Oram which (OG Pro 4.2.3rc1) appears to do what you want. Here's the direct link to the arc page: I installed it, Upon running the script, I was prompted for the size of the arc angle, then the radius of the arc, and got a nice arc. Sorry again, Kei. On 25.04.2008, at 17:49, Vic DiFranco wrote: > Hello Kei and Joel, > > I was the one who originally submitted the question on circle arcs. > > I tried to do what Kei Ishii suggested, but not successfully. I > have OmniGraffle Pro ver 4.2.1. My computer is a Macintosh Powerbook > G4 with OS 10.4.11. > > I created a 90 deg arc, using the built-in tool in the Styles > Inspector (Lines and Shapes). I turned off the Shadow and Fill, so > there is only a 90 deg arc. In my example, the object measures 2 in > x 2 in. > > I then duplicated the object (Edit-Duplicate), and rotated