From bogus@does.not.exist.com Fri May 25 12:40:06 2007 From: bogus@does.not.exist.com () Date: Fri May 25 12:40:09 2007 Subject: No subject Message-ID: This one is from an XML point of view, and has quite a few references. http://xml.coverpages.org/ni2001-05-05-b.html The only downside is that I suspect most OmniGrafflers have to deal with Visio 2000, but I am hoping MSFT has some sort of converter... -John >Dear Mr. Oram: > >Thanks again for your messages. We have looked over your listing of feature enhancements that you posted and I have book-marked the page for future reference. > >In response to the overwhelming number of requests for Visio compatibility, let me just say that we know that this is a high priority feature with many of you and we are looking into finding a way to facilitate some compatibility with Visio. > >As for your question regarding text drop shadows, there is not currently a way to do this except as you described with the offset text as the shadow. Therefore, I will file your idea into our database to be considered by our programmers. > >Once again if you have any additional comments or questions please feel free to let us know and we will be happy to assist you. > >Sincerely, > >David Kasprzyk >support@omnigroup.com > >Join the OmniGraffle Users List >http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnigraffle-users > >I've made a list of what I think would be useful feature enhancements and additions to OG, organized largely by Info Pane. I'd be interested to hear what others think, and what people would like to see first, and what needs clarifying/explanation. (* indicates something I've already bugged David about.) > >I've included the text version below (with no LFs), as OGU doesn't seem to handle attachments well. I've also posted an html version (created, of course, in OmniList... :) at > > http://oram.com/omni/omnigraffle_suggestions.html > >------------------------------------------------ > >Is there any way to add drop shadows to text? As far as I can tell shadows apply only to objects, not text. > >I'd like something contrasting, like you see when you roll over the icon of an app in the Dock. > >I can hack drop shadows now by replicating the text and making it white and moving it behind, and down and over a pixel, and grouping it. Needless to say, this is a little time-confusing... > >-John From bogus@does.not.exist.com Fri May 25 12:40:06 2007 From: bogus@does.not.exist.com () Date: Fri May 25 12:40:15 2007 Subject: No subject Message-ID: unknown art. Combination of that and OSX Ink would be a killer combo for OG. Hey, I promise I'd even stop complaining about OG's problems with bounding boxes :-) Best, Ziya From bogus@does.not.exist.com Fri May 25 12:40:06 2007 From: bogus@does.not.exist.com () Date: Fri May 25 12:40:21 2007 Subject: No subject Message-ID: --B_3131530374_768840 Content-type: image/jpeg; name="Print.jpg"; x-mac-creator="70727677"; x-mac-type="4A504547" Content-disposition: attachment Content-transfer-encoding: base64 /9j/4AAQSkZJRgABAQEAZABkAAD//gAMQXBwbGVNYXJrCv/bAIQAIRcZHRkVIR0bHSUjIScx UTUxLS0xY0dLO1F1Z3t5c2dxb4KSup6CirCMb3Gi3KSwwMbQ0tB9nOT04sryuszQyAEjJSUx KzFfNTVfyIZxhsjIyMjIyMjIyMjIyMjIyMjIyMjIyMjIyMjIyMjIyMjIyMjIyMjIyMjIyMjI yMjIyMjI/8QBogAAAQUBAQEBAQEAAAAAAAAAAAECAwQFBgcICQoLAQADAQEBAQEBAQEBAAAA AAAAAQIDBAUGBwgJCgsQAAIBAwMCBAMFBQQEAAABfQECAwAEEQUSITFBBhNRYQcicRQygZGh CCNCscEVUtHwJDNicoIJChYXGBkaJSYnKCkqNDU2Nzg5OkNERUZHSElKU1RVVldYWVpjZGVm Z2hpanN0dXZ3eHl6g4SFhoeIiYqSk5SVlpeYmZqio6Slpqeoqaqys7S1tre4ubrCw8TFxsfI 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But if the above is true I cannot share these drawings with my Vision coworkers. Meaning that this is less than an ideal solution. Does someone have a better solution? Curious, Brad Black --B_3133801009_31297891 Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable UML shapes and Visio export Hello,

Would someone please confirm that you cannot export UML class diagrams to V= isio? After exporting a class diagram to Visio, I inspected the file in BBEd= it, and there were no attributes or operations listed.

From bogus@does.not.exist.com Fri May 25 12:40:06 2007 From: bogus@does.not.exist.com () Date: Fri May 25 12:40:23 2007 Subject: No subject Message-ID: iagrams is to import Objective-C project builder files. But if the above is = true I cannot share these drawings with my Vision coworkers. Meaning that th= is is less than an ideal solution. Does someone have a better solution?

Curious,

Brad Black

 --B_3133801009_31297891-- From bogus@does.not.exist.com Fri May 25 12:40:06 2007 From: bogus@does.not.exist.com () Date: Fri May 25 12:40:23 2007 Subject: No subject Message-ID: class diagrams is to import Objective-C project builder files. But if the above is true I cannot share these drawings with my Vision coworkers. Meaning that this is less than an ideal solution. Does someone have a better solution? Curious, Brad Black --Apple-Mail-2--314912922-- From bogus@does.not.exist.com Fri May 25 12:40:06 2007 From: bogus@does.not.exist.com () Date: Fri May 25 12:40:29 2007 Subject: No subject Message-ID: develop. I'd make it OG Pro-only, and if the user buys both OG Pro and OO, they magically work together. That's $150 per seat (at current prices) worth of chocolatey goodness, and a steal even at $200+, IMHO. * * * Whew! That was a mouthful. Any ideas or suggestions, either from folks at Omni or people on the mailing list? Is the .graffle XML file format and its capabilities documented anywhere yet? How about the .ooutline format? Are the bug / feature request databases for either product publically accessible in any way? I suppose that I should make the typical "Databases can be used for everything! Therefore, it's a huge killer app!" (...with the unspoken, "Therefore, please make THIS feature request top priority!") statements here. But whatever, either way, I'll end up with something that will work in the interim... I'll keep you all posted about the ERD auto-generation, but in the bigger picture, I guess I'm a big advocate of integrating two cool products to make them even cooler. Thanks, and keep up the great work! Thom Brooks Adler Planetarium and Astronomy Museum Chicago, IL From bogus@does.not.exist.com Fri May 25 12:40:06 2007 From: bogus@does.not.exist.com () Date: Fri May 25 12:40:30 2007 Subject: No subject Message-ID: From ajmalton at uwaterloo.ca Tue Jan 2 07:55:07 2007 From: ajmalton at uwaterloo.ca (Dr. Andrew J. Malton) Date: Fri May 25 12:41:03 2007 Subject: Deleting Multiple Canvases In-Reply-To: <20061227200006.58D5B118FFE@golem-2.local> References: <20061227200006.58D5B118FFE@golem-2.local> Message-ID: <5BB84B51-577F-4F05-A6AB-A0AA023DA560@uwaterloo.ca> > I do not see a feature for selecting multiple canvases and > deleting them with a single keystroke. You can delete a selection of Canvases using the delete button on the panel (marked with a minus sign) which is also for deleting one Canvas. You can also drag one or a selection of Canvases between documents. I often find this useful. You can also drag a Master Canvas onto one or a selection of Canvases, to add master dependency to them. You can also drag one or a selection of Canvases to a different location in the Canvases list. You can also Remove Master Dependency from a selected group of Canvases. (Hmm, Add Layer only applies to the last-added Canvas in the selection, for some reason. Bug?) The main thing is selecting a group of canvases, which is done in the usual Mac way, that is a) to select one thing, click it once b) to add a single item to the selection, command-click it c) to add a range (i.e. everything between an item and the currenct selection set, inclusive), shift-click the item. You can't select a group by dragging, as you can graphics on the Canvas surface, or in the Finder, because "drag" means "move" in the Canvases panel. From dwancpf at shaw.ca Wed Jan 3 11:15:10 2007 From: dwancpf at shaw.ca (Chris Dwan) Date: Fri May 25 12:41:03 2007 Subject: The Applescript that ceased to work - text size... Message-ID: <1498DF73-1FF9-4B51-9955-A1719C6E0CBF@shaw.ca> I have a frustrating little problem... (I solved this problem before I sent this email, so added the solution) SOLUTION: I'm on an Intel Mac and solved this problem by opening up OmniGraffle using Rosetta. ----- I created daily planner pages in OmniGraffle with Applescript to generate pages for the full year. Last time I ran the script everything worked great. Now I'm running the script again and it resizes the text to the default text size (12px) rather than taking the size I am giving to it! Here's the part that doesn't work: set pageOne to canvas 1 of document "Planner2007-S1.graffle" of application "OmniGraffle Professional" set properties of solid id i of pageOne to {text:{text:dayText as text, alignment:right, font:"Copperplate", size:24}} ----- So this appears to be a bug on Intel Macs. -Chris From joshuajforman at gmail.com Thu Jan 4 14:16:06 2007 From: joshuajforman at gmail.com (joshua forman) Date: Fri May 25 12:41:03 2007 Subject: grid lines? Message-ID: <461033660701041416m5dbfac89jf513ce72a6add570@mail.gmail.com> Hello, Does anyone know a way to add grid lines to OmniGraffle? And make objects snap to grid? Thanks, Josh From john.gersh at jhuapl.edu Thu Jan 4 14:22:44 2007 From: john.gersh at jhuapl.edu (John Gersh) Date: Fri May 25 12:41:03 2007 Subject: grid lines? In-Reply-To: <461033660701041416m5dbfac89jf513ce72a6add570@mail.gmail.com> References: <461033660701041416m5dbfac89jf513ce72a6add570@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: It's all in the Grid Inspector. Inspectors menu->Grid, or, if the canvas inspector group is already open, click the grid-like icon there. - John Gersh At 3:16 PM -0700 1/4/07, joshua forman wrote: >Hello, > >Does anyone know a way to add grid lines to OmniGraffle? And make objects >snap to grid? > >Thanks, >Josh >_______________________________________________ >OmniGraffle-Users mailing list >OmniGraffle-Users@omnigroup.com >http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnigraffle-users From waynefb at earthlink.net Thu Jan 4 14:47:31 2007 From: waynefb at earthlink.net (Wayne Brissette) Date: Fri May 25 12:41:03 2007 Subject: Snap to guides Message-ID: <18449028.1167950851965.JavaMail.root@elwamui-cypress.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Seems everytime I run into this issue, I can never remember how I fixed this the last time I had it. I have two objects with magnets. I'm trying to align the magnets so that my line is a straight line and not slanted or jagged. The problem I run into is the magnet wants to move to smart align itself. In the help it mentions that in the Arrange menu there is an option to enable/disable the smart align. I don't see that option anywhere. Was that leftover from a previous version of OG Pro? I can't remember seeing that in prior versions, but maybe it got put somewhere else now and the help hasn't been updated. Wayne From waynefb at earthlink.net Thu Jan 4 14:52:57 2007 From: waynefb at earthlink.net (Wayne Brissette) Date: Fri May 25 12:41:03 2007 Subject: Snap to guides Message-ID: <262110.1167951177549.JavaMail.root@elwamui-cypress.atl.sa.earthlink.net> sheez... I'm blind. Isn't that the way it always works! :-( I found the smart align options. That fixed my problem. Now back to your regularly scheduled program.... Wayne From christian.sodl at orf.at Mon Jan 8 02:07:31 2007 From: christian.sodl at orf.at (christian.sodl@orf.at) Date: Fri May 25 12:41:03 2007 Subject: AW: The Applescript that ceased to work - text size... Message-ID: Hi all, I think that's not only on IntelMacs its on my G4 Ibook too. Set properties of ... to {text:{text:"don't work"}} in OG 4.1.2 does nothing. Set Text of ... To "don't work", Resets to Helvetica 12. I found out that, set attribute run 1 of text of ... to "is working", works fine. Sets only the Text, all other properties of text are untouched. Best Regards Christian Sodl -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- Von: omnigraffle-users-bounces@omnigroup.com [mailto:omnigraffle-users-bounces@omnigroup.com] Im Auftrag von Chris Dwan Gesendet: Mittwoch, 03. J?nner 2007 20:15 An: omnigraffle-users@omnigroup.com Betreff: The Applescript that ceased to work - text size... I have a frustrating little problem... (I solved this problem before I sent this email, so added the solution) SOLUTION: I'm on an Intel Mac and solved this problem by opening up OmniGraffle using Rosetta. ----- I created daily planner pages in OmniGraffle with Applescript to generate pages for the full year. Last time I ran the script everything worked great. Now I'm running the script again and it resizes the text to the default text size (12px) rather than taking the size I am giving to it! Here's the part that doesn't work: set pageOne to canvas 1 of document "Planner2007-S1.graffle" of application "OmniGraffle Professional" set properties of solid id i of pageOne to {text:{text:dayText as text, alignment:right, font:"Copperplate", size:24}} ----- So this appears to be a bug on Intel Macs. -Chris _______________________________________________ OmniGraffle-Users mailing list OmniGraffle-Users@omnigroup.com http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnigraffle-users From dwancpf at shaw.ca Mon Jan 8 16:04:06 2007 From: dwancpf at shaw.ca (Chris Dwan) Date: Fri May 25 12:41:03 2007 Subject: OmniGraffle-Users Digest, Vol 37, Issue 4 In-Reply-To: <20070108200016.93CB5120663@dynamic-www.omnigroup.com> References: <20070108200016.93CB5120663@dynamic-www.omnigroup.com> Message-ID: <84C2EFBB-E7FA-48BD-9AB4-2F710C9D5131@shaw.ca> Oh yes! I couldn't figure out how to change the text without changing all of the other properties. That works fantastically. Thanks for the tip. Now, why you couldn't set the text in the first example, it might have worked if you did this... set properties of ... to {text:{text: "works now?" as text}} -- but, clearly I'm no expert :) Cheers! -Chris > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2007 11:07:31 +0100 > From: > Subject: AW: The Applescript that ceased to work - text size... > To: > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hi all, > I think that's not only on IntelMacs its on my G4 Ibook too. > Set properties of ... to {text:{text:"don't work"}} in OG 4.1.2 > does nothing. Set Text of ... To "don't work", Resets to Helvetica 12. > I found out that, set attribute run 1 of text of ... to "is > working", works fine. > Sets only the Text, all other properties of text are untouched. > Best Regards > Christian Sodl > > -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: omnigraffle-users-bounces@omnigroup.com [mailto:omnigraffle- > users-bounces@omnigroup.com] Im Auftrag von Chris Dwan > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 03. J?nner 2007 20:15 > An: omnigraffle-users@omnigroup.com > Betreff: The Applescript that ceased to work - text size... > > I have a frustrating little problem... (I solved this problem > before I sent this email, so added the solution) > > SOLUTION: I'm on an Intel Mac and solved this problem by opening up > OmniGraffle using Rosetta. > > ----- > I created daily planner pages in OmniGraffle with Applescript to > generate pages for the full year. Last time I ran the script > everything worked great. Now I'm running the script again and it > resizes the text to the default text size (12px) rather than taking > the size I am giving to it! Here's the part that doesn't work: > > set pageOne to canvas 1 of document "Planner2007-S1.graffle" of > application "OmniGraffle Professional" > set properties of solid id i of pageOne to {text:{text:dayText as > text, alignment:right, font:"Copperplate", size:24}} > > ----- > So this appears to be a bug on Intel Macs. > > -Chris > > _______________________________________________ > OmniGraffle-Users mailing list > OmniGraffle-Users@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnigraffle-users > > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > OmniGraffle-Users mailing list > OmniGraffle-Users@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnigraffle-users > > > End of OmniGraffle-Users Digest, Vol 37, Issue 4 > ************************************************ From twhite_L1 at twdesigns.com Tue Jan 9 10:49:54 2007 From: twhite_L1 at twdesigns.com (Tony White L1) Date: Fri May 25 12:41:03 2007 Subject: Omnigraffle stencils tutorial? In-Reply-To: <84C2EFBB-E7FA-48BD-9AB4-2F710C9D5131@shaw.ca> Message-ID: Is there an Omnigraffle stencils tutorial? I am wondering: What is the best format to use (PNG, GIF, etc) Is transparency supported? What formats are supported? What formats convert well back and forth Etc. Thanks in advance for any suggestions. All the best, Tony White Tony White Designs, Inc. 118 Remsen Street Brooklyn, NY 11201 Tel: 718-797-4175 tony_white@twdesigns.com http://www.twdesigns.com From graffle at mettre.de Tue Jan 9 11:45:54 2007 From: graffle at mettre.de (Ortwin Zillgen) Date: Fri May 25 12:41:03 2007 Subject: Omnigraffle stencils tutorial? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > Is there an Omnigraffle stencils tutorial? > > I am wondering: > > What is the best format to use (PNG, GIF, etc) > Is transparency supported? > What formats are supported? > What formats convert well back and forth > > Etc. > > Thanks in advance for any suggestions. complete tutorial 1. Stencils/New Stencil 2. do what ever you like 3. File/Save 1. Stencils/Edit Stencil 2. do what ever you like 3. File/Save download Japan und see how it works Regards Ortwin Zillgen =B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0= =B0 Stadt Land Flu=A7 * Geographic Informationsystems ceterum censeo: get that reply thing fixed - soon! From waynefb at earthlink.net Wed Jan 17 12:34:43 2007 From: waynefb at earthlink.net (Wayne Brissette) Date: Fri May 25 12:41:03 2007 Subject: leaders? Message-ID: <20070117203443.941432343@smtp.earthlink.net> I'm sure this is an Apple API thing, but is there any way to make a tab stop with a leader on it inside a text block? Example: This thing ............................... 1 That thing ............................... 2 I can't seem to find that option anywhere and I'm sure it's because it doesn't exist. Wayne -- "Success usually comes to those who are too busy to be looking for it" - Henry David Thoreau From list at toolazydogs.com Fri Jan 19 12:37:48 2007 From: list at toolazydogs.com (Alan D. Cabrera) Date: Fri May 25 12:41:03 2007 Subject: How to rotate an object Message-ID: <4C858003-3EDB-405E-9A44-201B0EDD9C84@toolazydogs.com> I've looked pretty hard and can't seem to find a way to rotate an object. Am I missing something? Regards, Alan From jpage at omnigroup.com Fri Jan 19 13:44:18 2007 From: jpage at omnigroup.com (Joel Page) Date: Fri May 25 12:41:03 2007 Subject: How to rotate an object In-Reply-To: <4C858003-3EDB-405E-9A44-201B0EDD9C84@toolazydogs.com> References: <4C858003-3EDB-405E-9A44-201B0EDD9C84@toolazydogs.com> Message-ID: <677F4149-BD9E-4623-B453-47039456E548@omnigroup.com> You can rotate an object using the rotation controls in the Geometry Inspector, or alternatively hold down the Command key and drag around the resize handles on the shape. Cheers, Joel On Jan 19, 2007, at 12:37 PM, Alan D. Cabrera wrote: > I've looked pretty hard and can't seem to find a way to rotate an > object. Am I missing something? > > > Regards, > Alan > > > _______________________________________________ > OmniGraffle-Users mailing list > OmniGraffle-Users@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnigraffle-users From zach at tu-clausthal.de Mon Jan 29 14:45:25 2007 From: zach at tu-clausthal.de (Gabriel Zachmann) Date: Fri May 25 12:41:03 2007 Subject: difficult drawing question Message-ID: <25354861-26CA-4FF6-95B8-FB44918A1EBD@tu-clausthal.de> Dear Omnigraffle Users, i've got a problem with drawing a simple logo. Please look at http://zach.in.tu-clausthal.de/tmp/vr_logo.png in order to see what i am trying to draw. The problem is the left bar of the "R" that i am supposed to kill without losing all the nice shadows ... Does anyone have any idea how i can achieve this? Thanks a lot in advance. Best regards, Gabriel. _________________________________________________________________ Tradition is not worshipping the ashes, it?s carrying on the fire. (Gustav Mahler) _________________________________________________________________ From zach at tu-clausthal.de Mon Jan 29 18:32:21 2007 From: zach at tu-clausthal.de (Gabriel Zachmann) Date: Fri May 25 12:41:03 2007 Subject: how to put an image with transparency over some omnigraffle objects Message-ID: <403D159D-0CFA-4DB0-A566-F2AFD8928560@tu-clausthal.de> Dear Omnigraffle experts, i've got another problem with my current drawing. I need to put a bitmap image, which has some transparent spots, over some omnigraffle objects (boxes, lines, etc.), so that the omnigraffle objects appear through the transparent spots. There seem to be two problems with that. 1. When i select a region in the image using GraphicConverter, make it transparent, then save it as PNG, then load it again, then GraphicConverter tells me that the image contains a transparent color, but the transparent region is black (not the checkerboard pattern). 2. When i load this image in Omnigraffle, the transparent region is not transparent (but black). Maybe this is a GraphicConverter-only problem, i don't know. Does anyone have an idea? Best regards, Gabriel. _________________________________________________________________ Tradition is not worshipping the ashes, it?s carrying on the fire. (Gustav Mahler) _________________________________________________________________ From chris.ridd at isode.com Mon Jan 29 18:38:00 2007 From: chris.ridd at isode.com (Chris Ridd) Date: Fri May 25 12:41:03 2007 Subject: difficult drawing question In-Reply-To: <25354861-26CA-4FF6-95B8-FB44918A1EBD@tu-clausthal.de> Message-ID: On 29/1/07 10:45, "Gabriel Zachmann" wrote: > Dear Omnigraffle Users, > > i've got a problem with drawing a simple logo. > Please look at http://zach.in.tu-clausthal.de/tmp/vr_logo.png > in order to see what i am trying to draw. > > The problem is the left bar of the "R" that i am supposed to kill > without losing all the nice shadows ... > > Does anyone have any idea how i can achieve this? Won't a bezier shape work? Cheers, Chris From chris.ridd at isode.com Mon Jan 29 18:49:24 2007 From: chris.ridd at isode.com (Chris Ridd) Date: Fri May 25 12:41:03 2007 Subject: how to put an image with transparency over some omnigraffle objects In-Reply-To: <403D159D-0CFA-4DB0-A566-F2AFD8928560@tu-clausthal.de> Message-ID: On 30/1/07 2:32, "Gabriel Zachmann" wrote: > Dear Omnigraffle experts, > > i've got another problem with my current drawing. > > I need to put a bitmap image, which has some transparent spots, over > some omnigraffle objects (boxes, lines, etc.), so that the > omnigraffle objects appear through the transparent spots. > > There seem to be two problems with that. > > 1. When i select a region in the image using GraphicConverter, make > it transparent, then save it as PNG, then load it again, then > GraphicConverter tells me that the image contains a transparent > color, but the transparent region is black (not the checkerboard > pattern). > > 2. When i load this image in Omnigraffle, the transparent region is > not transparent (but black). > > Maybe this is a GraphicConverter-only problem, i don't know. I've never been able to work out transparency in Graphic Converter :-( If you save it from Photoshop with transparency does it work any better? Cheers, Chris From bysteven at cisco.com Mon Jan 29 19:08:39 2007 From: bysteven at cisco.com (Byron Stevens) Date: Fri May 25 12:41:03 2007 Subject: how to put an image with transparency over some omnigraffle objects In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Works fine if you use photoshop. Use: "save for web" & PNG (24, check transparency. Make sure your background layer's transparent :-) regards, Byron On Jan 29, 2007, at 6:49 PM, Chris Ridd wrote: > On 30/1/07 2:32, "Gabriel Zachmann" wrote: > >> Dear Omnigraffle experts, >> >> i've got another problem with my current drawing. >> >> I need to put a bitmap image, which has some transparent spots, over >> some omnigraffle objects (boxes, lines, etc.), so that the >> omnigraffle objects appear through the transparent spots. >> >> There seem to be two problems with that. >> >> 1. When i select a region in the image using GraphicConverter, make >> it transparent, then save it as PNG, then load it again, then >> GraphicConverter tells me that the image contains a transparent >> color, but the transparent region is black (not the checkerboard >> pattern). >> >> 2. When i load this image in Omnigraffle, the transparent region is >> not transparent (but black). >> >> Maybe this is a GraphicConverter-only problem, i don't know. > > I've never been able to work out transparency in Graphic Converter :-( > > If you save it from Photoshop with transparency does it work any > better? > > Cheers, > > Chris > > > _______________________________________________ > OmniGraffle-Users mailing list > OmniGraffle-Users@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnigraffle-users From julien.cuisinier at rbcdexia-is.net Tue Jan 30 00:04:55 2007 From: julien.cuisinier at rbcdexia-is.net (Cuisinier Julien (RBC Dexia IS)) Date: Fri May 25 12:41:04 2007 Subject: how to put an image with transparency over some omnigraffle objects Message-ID: Dear all, Being a simple user of Omnigraffle, could you take me out of the mailing on such query? Also how did I end up in another user's email?? Thanks for your cooperation & delete my email from your communications Best rgds, Julien Cuisinier Head of Analytical Services Distribution Support Tel.: (+352) 2605 9938 Fax: (+352) 2460 9801 RBC Dexia Investor Services Bank SA www.rbcdexia-is.com -----Original Message----- From: omnigraffle-users-bounces@omnigroup.com [mailto:omnigraffle-users-bounces@omnigroup.com] On Behalf Of Gabriel Zachmann Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 3:32 AM To: omnigraffle-users@omnigroup.com Subject: how to put an image with transparency over some omnigraffle objects Dear Omnigraffle experts, i've got another problem with my current drawing. I need to put a bitmap image, which has some transparent spots, over some omnigraffle objects (boxes, lines, etc.), so that the omnigraffle objects appear through the transparent spots. There seem to be two problems with that. 1. When i select a region in the image using GraphicConverter, make it transparent, then save it as PNG, then load it again, then GraphicConverter tells me that the image contains a transparent color, but the transparent region is black (not the checkerboard pattern). 2. When i load this image in Omnigraffle, the transparent region is not transparent (but black). Maybe this is a GraphicConverter-only problem, i don't know. Does anyone have an idea? Best regards, Gabriel. _________________________________________________________________ Tradition is not worshipping the ashes, it's carrying on the fire. (Gustav Mahler) _________________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ OmniGraffle-Users mailing list OmniGraffle-Users@omnigroup.com http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnigraffle-users --------------------- An electronic message is not binding on its sender. Any message referring to a binding engagement must be confirmed in writing and duly signed. --------------------- --------------------- An electronic message is not binding on its sender. Any message referring to a binding engagement must be confirmed in writing and duly signed. --------------------- From john.gersh at jhuapl.edu Tue Jan 30 06:44:49 2007 From: john.gersh at jhuapl.edu (John Gersh) Date: Fri May 25 12:41:04 2007 Subject: how to put an image with transparency over some omnigraffle objects In-Reply-To: <403D159D-0CFA-4DB0-A566-F2AFD8928560@tu-clausthal.de> References: <403D159D-0CFA-4DB0-A566-F2AFD8928560@tu-clausthal.de> Message-ID: Hmmm. This works for me, using GraphicConverter 5.9.4, OG Pro 4.1.2, OS X 10.4.8, using Place Image to get the image into into OG. Is there anything unusual about your image? about your graphics setup? (I'm grasping at straws here.) - John Gersh At 3:32 AM +0100 1/30/07, Gabriel Zachmann wrote: >Dear Omnigraffle experts, > >i've got another problem with my current drawing. > >I need to put a bitmap image, which has some transparent spots, over >some omnigraffle objects (boxes, lines, etc.), so that the >omnigraffle objects appear through the transparent spots. > >There seem to be two problems with that. > >1. When i select a region in the image using GraphicConverter, make >it transparent, then save it as PNG, then load it again, then >GraphicConverter tells me that the image contains a transparent >color, but the transparent region is black (not the checkerboard >pattern). > >2. When i load this image in Omnigraffle, the transparent region is >not transparent (but black). > >Maybe this is a GraphicConverter-only problem, i don't know. > >Does anyone have an idea? > >Best regards, >Gabriel. > >_________________________________________________________________ > Tradition is not worshipping the ashes, > it's carrying on the fire. > (Gustav Mahler) >_________________________________________________________________ > > >_______________________________________________ >OmniGraffle-Users mailing list >OmniGraffle-Users@omnigroup.com >http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnigraffle-users From zach at tu-clausthal.de Tue Jan 30 18:01:22 2007 From: zach at tu-clausthal.de (Gabriel Zachmann) Date: Fri May 25 12:41:04 2007 Subject: export as greyscale plus one color Message-ID: <6535ED86-D5E4-4D63-817B-A71CE4BF35E0@tu-clausthal.de> I've got a (last, hopefully) problem. I need to export my drawing (containing a few shapes and a few bitmap images) such that in the exported file format there are only greyscales plus one color. This is a requirement by the printer / publisher. Could someone please enlighten me as to how to do that? I am (now) using Graffle Pro 4.1.2 Any hints will be appreciated. Best regards, Gabriel. _________________________________________________________________ Tradition is not worshipping the ashes, it?s carrying on the fire. (Gustav Mahler) _________________________________________________________________ From Chris.Janicki at AugurSystems.com Wed Jan 31 13:17:52 2007 From: Chris.Janicki at AugurSystems.com (Chris Janicki) Date: Fri May 25 12:41:04 2007 Subject: difficult drawing question In-Reply-To: <25354861-26CA-4FF6-95B8-FB44918A1EBD@tu-clausthal.de> References: <25354861-26CA-4FF6-95B8-FB44918A1EBD@tu-clausthal.de> Message-ID: <17D02730-3EA7-4F3C-A25A-34669C727C1F@AugurSystems.com> I don't think you can successfully alter the font shape. Masking a portion won't work with shadowing, as you found out. And fonts don't act as shapes that can be subtracted. (The invisible rectangle in which the text resides can be subtracted, but that's not useful to you.) I think you'll have to draw a free-form version of the letter, using Omnigraffle's polygon and/or line tools. If you can get a vector version of the 'R' somewhere, then maybe you can import that into Omnigraffle, and subtract out a portion using the Edit|Shape|Subtract menu feature. I've seen some graphics programs that let you export fonts as vector graphics, but I don't remember where I saw that. Hope that helps somewhat. Chris On Jan 29, 2007, at 5:45 PM, Gabriel Zachmann wrote: > Dear Omnigraffle Users, > > i've got a problem with drawing a simple logo. > Please look at http://zach.in.tu-clausthal.de/tmp/vr_logo.png > in order to see what i am trying to draw. > > The problem is the left bar of the "R" that i am supposed to kill > without losing all the nice shadows ... > > Does anyone have any idea how i can achieve this? > > Thanks a lot in advance. > > Best regards, > Gabriel. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Tradition is not worshipping the ashes, > it?s carrying on the fire. > (Gustav Mahler) > _________________________________________________________________ > > > _______________________________________________ > OmniGraffle-Users mailing list > OmniGraffle-Users@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnigraffle-users From waynefb at earthlink.net Wed Jan 31 13:46:04 2007 From: waynefb at earthlink.net (Wayne Brissette) Date: Fri May 25 12:41:04 2007 Subject: difficult drawing question Message-ID: <17658815.1170279964456.JavaMail.root@elwamui-lapwing.atl.sa.earthlink.net> >If you can get a vector version of the 'R' somewhere, then maybe you >can import that into Omnigraffle, and subtract out a portion using >the Edit|Shape|Subtract menu feature. I've seen some graphics >programs that let you export fonts as vector graphics, but I don't >remember where I saw that. Both Freehand and Illustrator let you convert fonts into vectors. But if you had one of those applications, you probably wouldn't being using OG for this particular thing. Wayne From mark_hilton at mac.com Wed Jan 31 18:24:21 2007 From: mark_hilton at mac.com (Mark R. Hilton) Date: Fri May 25 12:41:04 2007 Subject: Grey scale plus spot colour In-Reply-To: <20070131200006.BCB0A12DBBC@dynamic-www.omnigroup.com> References: <20070131200006.BCB0A12DBBC@dynamic-www.omnigroup.com> Message-ID: <20070201102421090732.0f7a81df@mac.com> Hi Gabriel, Where do you want the one colour to be? If it's in the bitmaps, can't you do that in PhotoShop, Graphic Converter or whatever before you import them, then just use black or a shade of grey for your shapes? Photoshop would be better as you can use layers erasing all but the one colour on layer 1, and making the background layer greyscale. Flatten the image, save and import. If you want the colour in your shapes, convert the bitmaps to greyscale before importing, then use greys plus the one colour where necessary in your OG shapes? Mark On Wed, 31 Jan 2007 12:00:06 -0800 (PST), omnigraffle-users-request@omnigroup.com wrote: > Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 03:01:22 +0100 > From: Gabriel Zachmann > Subject: export as greyscale plus one color > To: omnigraffle-users@omnigroup.com > Message-ID: <6535ED86-D5E4-4D63-817B-A71CE4BF35E0@tu-clausthal.de> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; > format=flowed > > I've got a (last, hopefully) problem. > > I need to export my drawing (containing a few shapes and a few bitmap > images) such that in the exported file format there are only > greyscales plus one color. This is a requirement by the printer / > publisher. > > Could someone please enlighten me as to how to do that? > > I am (now) using Graffle Pro 4.1.2 > > Any hints will be appreciated. > > Best regards, > Gabriel. From chris.ridd at isode.com Wed Jan 31 18:35:21 2007 From: chris.ridd at isode.com (Chris Ridd) Date: Fri May 25 12:41:04 2007 Subject: Grey scale plus spot colour In-Reply-To: <20070201102421090732.0f7a81df@mac.com> Message-ID: On 1/2/07 2:24, "Mark R. Hilton" wrote: > Hi Gabriel, > > Where do you want the one colour to be? > > If it's in the bitmaps, can't you do that in PhotoShop, Graphic > Converter or whatever before you import them, then just use black or a > shade of grey for your shapes? Photoshop would be better as you can use > layers erasing all but the one colour on layer 1, and making the > background layer greyscale. Flatten the image, save and import. > > If you want the colour in your shapes, convert the bitmaps to greyscale > before importing, then use greys plus the one colour where necessary in > your OG shapes? That may work, or it may not - if the greys in the PDF are being specified as RGB then a printer *may* barf. Sounds weird, but printers and colours are weird. Er, IMHO :-) Could setting up a ColorSync (sic) filter to postprocess the PDF file be a useful way to get real true greys? Cheers, Chris From Chris.Janicki at AugurSystems.com Wed Jan 31 20:23:49 2007 From: Chris.Janicki at AugurSystems.com (Chris Janicki) Date: Fri May 25 12:41:04 2007 Subject: how to put an image with transparency over some omnigraffle objects In-Reply-To: <403D159D-0CFA-4DB0-A566-F2AFD8928560@tu-clausthal.de> References: <403D159D-0CFA-4DB0-A566-F2AFD8928560@tu-clausthal.de> Message-ID: <79D37078-4201-482D-81AF-0B4107DB8F39@AugurSystems.com> I've found GraphicConverter to be quirky. Sometimes you just have to manually reset the transparent color. Remember that transparency in bitmaps is just a definition of which single color code in the image's palette should be interpreted as transparent. So select the transparency tool and click on the black area that you want to be transparent. Look carefully at the image because if the same black color code appears elsewhere in the image (like maybe a border) then that will become transparent too, even though you didn't click on it explicitly. If you still don't see the transparency checkerboard, try double- clicking on the transparency tool... I think there is a checkbox to control that viewing option. Disclaimer: Another type of transparency (more flexible) is accomplished with an "alpha channel"... that's another story altogether. However, if you are already working with an alpha channel, I've heard that GC does something backwards, like black vs. white, in defining the alpha channel... but that was a while ago. On Jan 29, 2007, at 9:32 PM, Gabriel Zachmann wrote: > Dear Omnigraffle experts, > > i've got another problem with my current drawing. > > I need to put a bitmap image, which has some transparent spots, > over some omnigraffle objects (boxes, lines, etc.), so that the > omnigraffle objects appear through the transparent spots. > > There seem to be two problems with that. > > 1. When i select a region in the image using GraphicConverter, make > it transparent, then save it as PNG, then load it again, then > GraphicConverter tells me that the image contains a transparent > color, but the transparent region is black (not the checkerboard > pattern). > > 2. When i load this image in Omnigraffle, the transparent region is > not transparent (but black). > > Maybe this is a GraphicConverter-only problem, i don't know. > > Does anyone have an idea? > > Best regards, > Gabriel. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Tradition is not worshipping the ashes, > it?s carrying on the fire. > (Gustav Mahler) > _________________________________________________________________ > > > _______________________________________________ > OmniGraffle-Users mailing list > OmniGraffle-Users@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnigraffle-users From sweehan at greentrading.co.uk Tue Feb 6 01:14:26 2007 From: sweehan at greentrading.co.uk (Swee Whitehouse) Date: Fri May 25 12:41:04 2007 Subject: Visio XML export Message-ID: <7566.213.86.200.19.1170753266.squirrel@webmail.interdns.co.uk> Hello, I've exported my OmniGraffle file into the vdx format but when I opened it in Visio 2003, nothing is displayed. Has anyone encountered this problem? Swee Whitehouse QIA category manager 020 8433 6804 From waynefb at earthlink.net Tue Feb 6 06:42:56 2007 From: waynefb at earthlink.net (Wayne Brissette) Date: Fri May 25 12:41:04 2007 Subject: Visio XML export In-Reply-To: <7566.213.86.200.19.1170753266.squirrel@webmail.interdns.co.uk> References: <7566.213.86.200.19.1170753266.squirrel@webmail.interdns.co.uk> Message-ID: <20070206144256.761723809@smtp.earthlink.net> >Hello, > >I've exported my OmniGraffle file into the vdx format but when I opened it >in Visio 2003, nothing is displayed. Has anyone encountered this problem? I haven't seen that issue, but I have run into a lot of issues with the shading and transparency. If I know the image is going to be modified or used by multiple writers, I make sure I turn off shading and limit the transparency. You might try some very basic images first and see if you're having problems with all vdx files, or just a particular one. Wayne From cameron.lists at desk003.com Tue Feb 6 11:25:54 2007 From: cameron.lists at desk003.com (cameron conner) Date: Fri May 25 12:41:04 2007 Subject: Outline Inserting, Lines Interset when shouldn't. Message-ID: <20070206132554194981.8887a499@desk003.com> I was trying out OmniGraffle Pro and this issue is popping up: When inserting things via the outline, it would intersect lines that should not be intersecting... It doesn't do this on any other style it seems, just Boxes. Sadly, Boxes seems the best one of them all, for my purpose. Take a look, let me know if i did something wrong. http://images.desk003.com/OG-boxes.png http://images.desk003.com/OG-basic.png peace, cameron -- AIM&Y!: desk003com From john.gersh at jhuapl.edu Tue Feb 6 13:11:35 2007 From: john.gersh at jhuapl.edu (John Gersh) Date: Fri May 25 12:41:04 2007 Subject: Outline Inserting, Lines Interset when shouldn't. In-Reply-To: <20070206132554194981.8887a499@desk003.com> References: <20070206132554194981.8887a499@desk003.com> Message-ID: Looks like a layout bug to me; turn points on the connectors are drawn on top of each other. In your example it's Residential->JJ and Meta->Topic. I can't see any remedy other than re-ordering the outline (e.g., Meta before Residential) or manually tweaking the position of a box or a connector mid-line. - John Gersh At 1:25 PM -0600 2/6/07, cameron conner wrote: >I was trying out OmniGraffle Pro and this issue is popping up: When >inserting things via the outline, it would intersect lines that should >not be intersecting... It doesn't do this on any other style it seems, >just Boxes. Sadly, Boxes seems the best one of them all, for my >purpose. Take a look, let me know if i did something wrong. > >http://images.desk003.com/OG-boxes.png >http://images.desk003.com/OG-basic.png > >peace, cameron >-- > >AIM&Y!: desk003com >_______________________________________________ >OmniGraffle-Users mailing list >OmniGraffle-Users@omnigroup.com >http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnigraffle-users From cameron.lists at desk003.com Tue Feb 6 16:52:27 2007 From: cameron.lists at desk003.com (cameron conner) Date: Fri May 25 12:41:04 2007 Subject: Outline Inserting, Lines Interset when shouldn't. In-Reply-To: References: <20070206132554194981.8887a499@desk003.com> Message-ID: <20070206185227977274.809509f7@desk003.com> That's what I was thinking, I was just wondering if it was something I had set wrong or whatever. Seems to me it should automatically (and does on the other layouts) move to accommodate the outline properly. Thanks peace, cameron -- AIM&Y!: desk003com On Tue, 6 Feb 2007 16:11:35 -0500, John Gersh wrote: > Looks like a layout bug to me; turn points on the connectors are > drawn on top of each other. In your example it's Residential->JJ and > Meta->Topic. I can't see any remedy other than re-ordering the > outline (e.g., Meta before Residential) or manually tweaking the > position of a box or a connector mid-line. > > - John Gersh > > > > At 1:25 PM -0600 2/6/07, cameron conner wrote: >> I was trying out OmniGraffle Pro and this issue is popping up: When >> inserting things via the outline, it would intersect lines that should >> not be intersecting... It doesn't do this on any other style it seems, >> just Boxes. Sadly, Boxes seems the best one of them all, for my >> purpose. Take a look, let me know if i did something wrong. >> >> http://images.desk003.com/OG-boxes.png >> http://images.desk003.com/OG-basic.png >> >> peace, cameron >> -- >> >> AIM&Y!: desk003com >> _______________________________________________ >> OmniGraffle-Users mailing list >> OmniGraffle-Users@omnigroup.com >> http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnigraffle-users > From mark_hilton at mac.com Tue Feb 6 19:17:13 2007 From: mark_hilton at mac.com (Mark R. Hilton) Date: Fri May 25 12:41:04 2007 Subject: Outline inserting In-Reply-To: <20070206200005.D56691312A7@dynamic-www.omnigroup.com> References: <20070206200005.D56691312A7@dynamic-www.omnigroup.com> Message-ID: <20070207111713899259.ec89763b@mac.com> Hi Cameron, I tried it out myself, quickly reproducing your structure using the Boxes style, but with simple numerical labels and true, it reproduced the problem in your graphic. But it seems that the problem is more complex, depending on which style you use when you first lay out your chart. I started by entering the outline with OGP switched for the Boxes style, as I said, and I then tried switching the styles, and several of them--Chalk, Notes, Clouds (I think) the three Org Chart versions--all produced crossing lines. I then thought I would start from a different point, so I cleared the diagram, switched the style to Chalk and redid the outline. It laid out properly without crossing lines, but when I switched style to simple Org Chart it reproduced the problem. On the other hand, when I switched it back again to Chalk, it was laid out properly without the crossing lines. Starting once again with OGP set to Org Chart (plain) produced the same intersecting lines problem, but on switching to Chalk, the diagram was laid out properly. I then tried switching to Boxes, but this was too much for OGPro and it crashed--the first time in such a long time that I can't ever remember this version crashing! Clearly, there is something going on with Boxes, and to a certain, though perhaps not so serious extent with Org Chart. I am going to forward a copy of this to OmniGraffle Support, to go with the crash report. Yours Mark On Tue, 06 Feb 2007 12:00:05 -0800 (PST), omnigraffle-users-request@omnigroup.com wrote: > Message: 3 > Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 13:25:54 -0600 > From: cameron conner > Subject: Outline Inserting, Lines Interset when shouldn't. > To: omnigraffle-users@omnigroup.com > Message-ID: <20070206132554194981.8887a499@desk003.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > I was trying out OmniGraffle Pro and this issue is popping up: When > inserting things via the outline, it would intersect lines that should > not be intersecting... It doesn't do this on any other style it seems, > just Boxes. Sadly, Boxes seems the best one of them all, for my > purpose. Take a look, let me know if i did something wrong. > > http://images.desk003.com/OG-boxes.png > http://images.desk003.com/OG-basic.png > > peace, cameron > -- > > AIM&Y!: desk003com From cameron.lists at desk003.com Tue Feb 6 21:49:01 2007 From: cameron.lists at desk003.com (cameron conner) Date: Fri May 25 12:41:04 2007 Subject: Outline inserting In-Reply-To: <20070207111713899259.ec89763b@mac.com> References: <20070206200005.D56691312A7@dynamic-www.omnigroup.com> <20070207111713899259.ec89763b@mac.com> Message-ID: <20070206234901216069.bc6588b8@desk003.com> Awesome, thanks. Yeah, i played around with it more and it seemed to come up in a few layouts. Hopefully they'll fix it soon :) peace, cameron -- AIM&Y!: desk003com On Wed, 7 Feb 2007 11:17:13 +0800, Mark R. Hilton wrote: > Hi Cameron, > > I tried it out myself, quickly reproducing your structure using the > Boxes style, but with simple numerical labels and true, it reproduced > the problem in your graphic. But it seems that the problem is more > complex, depending on which style you use when you first lay out your > chart. > > I started by entering the outline with OGP switched for the Boxes > style, as I said, and I then tried switching the styles, and several of > them--Chalk, Notes, Clouds (I think) the three Org Chart versions--all > produced crossing lines. > > I then thought I would start from a different point, so I cleared the > diagram, switched the style to Chalk and redid the outline. It laid out > properly without crossing lines, but when I switched style to simple > Org Chart it reproduced the problem. On the other hand, when I switched > it back again to Chalk, it was laid out properly without the crossing > lines. > > Starting once again with OGP set to Org Chart (plain) produced the same > intersecting lines problem, but on switching to Chalk, the diagram was > laid out properly. I then tried switching to Boxes, but this was too > much for OGPro and it crashed--the first time in such a long time that > I can't ever remember this version crashing! > > Clearly, there is something going on with Boxes, and to a certain, > though perhaps not so serious extent with Org Chart. I am going to > forward a copy of this to OmniGraffle Support, to go with the crash > report. > > Yours > Mark > > > On Tue, 06 Feb 2007 12:00:05 -0800 (PST), > omnigraffle-users-request@omnigroup.com wrote: >> Message: 3 >> Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 13:25:54 -0600 >> From: cameron conner >> Subject: Outline Inserting, Lines Interset when shouldn't. >> To: omnigraffle-users@omnigroup.com >> Message-ID: <20070206132554194981.8887a499@desk003.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >> >> I was trying out OmniGraffle Pro and this issue is popping up: When >> inserting things via the outline, it would intersect lines that should >> not be intersecting... It doesn't do this on any other style it seems, >> just Boxes. Sadly, Boxes seems the best one of them all, for my >> purpose. Take a look, let me know if i did something wrong. >> >> http://images.desk003.com/OG-boxes.png >> http://images.desk003.com/OG-basic.png >> >> peace, cameron >> -- >> >> AIM&Y!: desk003com > _______________________________________________ > OmniGraffle-Users mailing list > OmniGraffle-Users@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnigraffle-users From john.gersh at jhuapl.edu Wed Feb 7 07:04:59 2007 From: john.gersh at jhuapl.edu (John Gersh) Date: Fri May 25 12:41:04 2007 Subject: Outline inserting In-Reply-To: <20070207111713899259.ec89763b@mac.com> References: <20070206200005.D56691312A7@dynamic-www.omnigroup.com> <20070207111713899259.ec89763b@mac.com> Message-ID: There are several things going on here, with different explanations, I think. The crash, of course, is a crash. Bad OG! Clouds and Chalk use a force-directed layout. The result of the layout algorithm is not deterministic. It may come out differently on different invocations and clearly doesn't guarantee that there will be no line crossings. Such a guarantee is impossible in the general case, thought it ought to be possible for a tree. One might argue, at least from Cameron's example, that these are feature limitations. Notes, Org Chart, and Boxes use orthogonal connectors. Notes uses custom magnets on the shapes and they're all interior to the shapes. The layout algorithm, orthogonal connector turn-point positioning, and the magnet setup interact to produce the unsatisfactory results there. I'd say that the Org Chart and Boxes situations are the worst, because in this example there's information lost in doing the layout. I'd call that a bug. (Lines uses orthogonal connectors, too, but its shapes are lines, which simplifies the problem.) Graph layout and rendering is still a very tricky business. Perhaps we can forgive a simple ( :-) ) drawing program for still having some problems in this area. - John Gersh At 11:17 AM +0800 2/7/07, Mark R. Hilton wrote: >Hi Cameron, > >I tried it out myself, quickly reproducing your structure using the >Boxes style, but with simple numerical labels and true, it reproduced >the problem in your graphic. But it seems that the problem is more >complex, depending on which style you use when you first lay out your >chart. > >I started by entering the outline with OGP switched for the Boxes >style, as I said, and I then tried switching the styles, and several of >them--Chalk, Notes, Clouds (I think) the three Org Chart versions--all >produced crossing lines. > >I then thought I would start from a different point, so I cleared the >diagram, switched the style to Chalk and redid the outline. It laid out >properly without crossing lines, but when I switched style to simple >Org Chart it reproduced the problem. On the other hand, when I switched >it back again to Chalk, it was laid out properly without the crossing >lines. > >Starting once again with OGP set to Org Chart (plain) produced the same >intersecting lines problem, but on switching to Chalk, the diagram was >laid out properly. I then tried switching to Boxes, but this was too >much for OGPro and it crashed--the first time in such a long time that >I can't ever remember this version crashing! > >Clearly, there is something going on with Boxes, and to a certain, >though perhaps not so serious extent with Org Chart. I am going to >forward a copy of this to OmniGraffle Support, to go with the crash >report. > >Yours >Mark > > >On Tue, 06 Feb 2007 12:00:05 -0800 (PST), >omnigraffle-users-request@omnigroup.com wrote: >> Message: 3 >> Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 13:25:54 -0600 >> From: cameron conner >> Subject: Outline Inserting, Lines Interset when shouldn't. >> To: omnigraffle-users@omnigroup.com >> Message-ID: <20070206132554194981.8887a499@desk003.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >> >> I was trying out OmniGraffle Pro and this issue is popping up: When >> inserting things via the outline, it would intersect lines that should >> not be intersecting... It doesn't do this on any other style it seems, >> just Boxes. Sadly, Boxes seems the best one of them all, for my >> purpose. Take a look, let me know if i did something wrong. >> > > http://images.desk003.com/OG-boxes.png >> http://images.desk003.com/OG-basic.png >> >> peace, cameron >> -- >> >> AIM&Y!: desk003com >_______________________________________________ >OmniGraffle-Users mailing list >OmniGraffle-Users@omnigroup.com >http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnigraffle-users From paco at paco.to Wed Feb 7 07:51:37 2007 From: paco at paco.to (Paco Hope) Date: Fri May 25 12:41:04 2007 Subject: Drawing a Speedometer-like thing Message-ID: <45C9F589.9090709@paco.to> Hi. I want to draw a speedometer-like thing, similar to what you see here: http://paco.to/images/Speedometer.png I couldn't think of an easy way to do it in Graffle. Anyone got any ideas? Clearly, it's easy to draw some concentric circles and such. It's the radiating tick marks and the red area that are a bit harder to do. Thanks, Paco From richardsona at mac.com Wed Feb 7 08:42:58 2007 From: richardsona at mac.com (Adam Richardson) Date: Fri May 25 12:41:04 2007 Subject: Drawing a Speedometer-like thing In-Reply-To: <45C9F589.9090709@paco.to> References: <45C9F589.9090709@paco.to> Message-ID: The tick marks actually shouldn't be that difficult. Try this: 1. Create the black circle for the end of the needle, at the middle of the overall speedo. 2. Place magnets manually on the perimeter of the outer circle. Since I don't think OG has a way to place these geometrically evenly as the illustration shows, it would probably be best to use image as an underlay. If you need this really accurate it might be better to draw in Illustrator (where it has step-function rotation around a point), and import as a PDF object 3. Draw lines from the center of the small circle to each magnet 4. Draw a white circle (no border, white fill) concentric with the others and sitting in between them in terms of stacking, so that it covers up the tick marks up to where you want. The red area could be done by drawing a red circle to match the size of the outer, than manually masking with white objects. There might be a more elegant way of doing it using object booleans. Hope this helps Adam :: Adam Richardson email: richardsona@mac.com mobile: 510.381.8426 blog: http://richardsona.squarespace.com On Wednesday, February 07, 2007, at 08:14AM, "Paco Hope" wrote: >Hi. I want to draw a speedometer-like thing, similar to what you see >here: http://paco.to/images/Speedometer.png > >I couldn't think of an easy way to do it in Graffle. Anyone got any ideas? > >Clearly, it's easy to draw some concentric circles and such. It's the >radiating tick marks and the red area that are a bit harder to do. > >Thanks, >Paco >_______________________________________________ >OmniGraffle-Users mailing list >OmniGraffle-Users@omnigroup.com >http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnigraffle-users > > From ahern at ornl.gov Wed Feb 7 12:09:04 2007 From: ahern at ornl.gov (Sean Ahern) Date: Fri May 25 12:41:04 2007 Subject: Drawing a Speedometer-like thing In-Reply-To: References: <45C9F589.9090709@paco.to> Message-ID: <20070207200904.GS4174@palantir.ornl.gov> You can use a script to lay out tick marks in a circular arc. See the "Arrange in Circle" script here: http://www.petermcm.dircon.co.uk/software/index.html -Sean __ Sean Ahern Oak Ridge National Laboratory 865-241-3748 Adam Richardson wrote: > The tick marks actually shouldn't be that difficult. Try this: > > 1. Create the black circle for the end of the needle, at the middle of the overall speedo. > 2. Place magnets manually on the perimeter of the outer circle. Since I don't think OG has a way to place these geometrically evenly as the illustration shows, it would probably be best to use image as an underlay. If you need this really accurate it might be better to draw in Illustrator (where it has step-function rotation around a point), and import as a PDF object > 3. Draw lines from the center of the small circle to each magnet > 4. Draw a white circle (no border, white fill) concentric with the others and sitting in between them in terms of stacking, so that it covers up the tick marks up to where you want. > > The red area could be done by drawing a red circle to match the size of the outer, than manually masking with white objects. There might be a more elegant way of doing it using object booleans. > > Hope this helps > > Adam > > > :: > Adam Richardson > email: richardsona@mac.com > mobile: 510.381.8426 > blog: http://richardsona.squarespace.com > > > On Wednesday, February 07, 2007, at 08:14AM, "Paco Hope" wrote: > >Hi. I want to draw a speedometer-like thing, similar to what you see > >here: http://paco.to/images/Speedometer.png > > > >I couldn't think of an easy way to do it in Graffle. Anyone got any ideas? > > > >Clearly, it's easy to draw some concentric circles and such. It's the > >radiating tick marks and the red area that are a bit harder to do. > > > >Thanks, > >Paco > >_______________________________________________ > >OmniGraffle-Users mailing list > >OmniGraffle-Users@omnigroup.com > >http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnigraffle-users > > > > > _______________________________________________ > OmniGraffle-Users mailing list > OmniGraffle-Users@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnigraffle-users From stan at temple.edu Tue Feb 13 14:16:47 2007 From: stan at temple.edu (Stan Horwitz) Date: Fri May 25 12:41:04 2007 Subject: working with image files Message-ID: <7ED8E6BF-CD2F-47D2-A917-70C91037AB81@temple.edu> I am brand new to OmniGraffle Pro and I have a question about how to work with jpg and gifs in a .graffle document. I dragged an image into a document then told it to stroke a border around the image. The problem I have is I want to reduce the size of the image to allow more space between the image and the border, but each time I try to resize the image, it resizes the border around it. How do I shrink an image inside of its box without shrinking the box itself? I need to add space so I can put a caption or label underneath each image. I checked the documentation, but it does not explain how to do this as far as I can tell. Thanks, Stan From kc at omnigroup.com Tue Feb 13 14:31:24 2007 From: kc at omnigroup.com (Ken Case) Date: Fri May 25 12:41:04 2007 Subject: working with image files In-Reply-To: <7ED8E6BF-CD2F-47D2-A917-70C91037AB81@temple.edu> References: <7ED8E6BF-CD2F-47D2-A917-70C91037AB81@temple.edu> Message-ID: <100B47BC-2726-40B9-B102-A883836A68E4@omnigroup.com> On Feb 13, 2007, at 2:16 PM, Stan Horwitz wrote: > How do I shrink an image inside of its box without shrinking the > box itself? In the Style:Image inspector (which you can select from the Inspector menu), you can change the image size from "Stretched" to "Natural Size", then change the image's scale to 75% (or whatever). Alternatively, you could place a box underneath the image rather than adding the border to the image shape itself. After positioning the two shapes the way you want (with the image over the box), you can group the two to make sure they move and scale together. Hope this helps! Ken From stan at temple.edu Wed Feb 14 07:06:40 2007 From: stan at temple.edu (Stan Horwitz) Date: Fri May 25 12:41:04 2007 Subject: working with image files In-Reply-To: <100B47BC-2726-40B9-B102-A883836A68E4@omnigroup.com> References: <7ED8E6BF-CD2F-47D2-A917-70C91037AB81@temple.edu> <100B47BC-2726-40B9-B102-A883836A68E4@omnigroup.com> Message-ID: <02B0A24D-ABD5-4321-9441-154550B90DD0@temple.edu> On Feb 13, 2007, at 5:31 PM ? 2/13/07, Ken Case wrote: > On Feb 13, 2007, at 2:16 PM, Stan Horwitz wrote: >> How do I shrink an image inside of its box without shrinking the >> box itself? > > In the Style:Image inspector (which you can select from the > Inspector menu), you can change the image size from "Stretched" to > "Natural Size", then change the image's scale to 75% (or whatever). > > Alternatively, you could place a box underneath the image rather > than adding the border to the image shape itself. After > positioning the two shapes the way you want (with the image over > the box), you can group the two to make sure they move and scale > together. Thanks Ken. This is exactly what I needed to know. From jpage at omnigroup.com Wed Feb 14 17:16:38 2007 From: jpage at omnigroup.com (Joel Page) Date: Fri May 25 12:41:04 2007 Subject: OmniGraffle 4.2 beta 1 is now available (including Pro) Message-ID: <7EAC4A5B-1B74-41B7-9166-FFB190FEAFF0@omnigroup.com> Happy Valentine's Day, and much love has been directed at OmniGraffle since the 4.1.2 release last August. Shape combinations have been meticulously looked over and we've fixed the lion's share of bugs that have resulted in unexpected results, error panels, and a crash or two. There are still a small number of outstanding issues that will be addressed before the final release. Microsoft Visio XML import and export support has gotten a good deal of attention as well, fixing rendering bugs as well as allowing objects on master canvases and text variables to export properly. Along with hundreds of bug fixes, we've offered a few new features as well: Basic shapes can now be converted to custom polygonal/bezier shapes and vice versa; Layers can now be merged; Files can be compressed upon saving. Three's also the Document Settings Inspector -- A new inspector has been added which shows document creation and change information, allows file compression, and per-document settings for saving the file as a flat file or file package. Currently this inspector resides in the Canvas: inspector group, we are considering breaking it out into its own group; feedback is greatly appreciated. OmniGraffle 4.2 beta 1 requires Mac OS X 10.4 or later to run. Please understand that this version is still under development, and due to the large number of changes and fixes in this first beta release, foreign language localizations are pretty broken. The beta 2 release will be the UI freeze, and that release will be the one released to our localization teams for that work to be done. Apologies to our international users for the inconvenience this may cause. As always, OmniGraffle 4.1.2 is still available for download. Voluminous release notes are up for perusal, please direct your feedback to our support page or by using the Send Feedback feature in your copy of OmniGraffle. Enjoy the new beta now! Joel Page Product Manager, OmniGraffle The Omni Group From paco at paco.to Thu Feb 15 10:17:24 2007 From: paco at paco.to (Paco Hope) Date: Fri May 25 12:41:04 2007 Subject: Drawing a Speedometer-like thing In-Reply-To: <20070207200904.GS4174@palantir.ornl.gov> References: <45C9F589.9090709@paco.to> <20070207200904.GS4174@palantir.ornl.gov> Message-ID: <45D4A3B4.1070301@paco.to> Sean Ahern wrote: > You can use a script to lay out tick marks in a circular arc. See the > "Arrange in Circle" script here: > http://www.petermcm.dircon.co.uk/software/index.html > That turns out to be the winning answer. :) The one trick to note is that you can't draw lines and then arrange them in a circle. The tick marks in my speedometer had to be rectangles who had negligible width. The "arrange in a circle" script doesn't work on lines for some reason. I wrote a brief blog entry about it, complete with a screenshot and a download link to my graffle. Feel free to download and use as you like. http://paco.to/ Paco From wvh at omnigroup.com Thu Feb 15 14:13:26 2007 From: wvh at omnigroup.com (William Van Hecke) Date: Fri May 25 12:41:04 2007 Subject: Drawing a Speedometer-like thing In-Reply-To: <45D4A3B4.1070301@paco.to> References: <45C9F589.9090709@paco.to> <20070207200904.GS4174@palantir.ornl.gov> <45D4A3B4.1070301@paco.to> Message-ID: <2E5565CB-E7F3-47A6-9B9D-74EE082A72C5@omnigroup.com> Paco, Your finished speedometer looks quite nice. I see that you had to hack around a bit to get the red arc; Here's how to use shape combinations to get a real arc in OmniGraffle Pro: - Create a circle - Create another, somewhat smaller, circle - Use smart guides to put the smaller circle directly in the center of the bigger one - Select both circles and choose "Edit > Shapes > Subtract Shapes" to make a ring - Use the Pen tool to draw a triangle, with one point in the center of the ring, and two points outside the ring such that the triangle overlaps the area that you want to make into an arc (if you already had your speedometer tick marks in place, you could use them as a guide to where the triangle's edges should be) - Select the ring and the triangle, then choose "Edit > Shapes > Intersect Shapes" to create the arc Here's a diagram of the steps: http://jetfuel.metalbat.com/blah/Graffle%20Arc.png Be well, WVH On Feb 15, 2007, at 10:17, Paco Hope wrote: > Sean Ahern wrote: >> You can use a script to lay out tick marks in a circular arc. See >> the >> "Arrange in Circle" script here: >> http://www.petermcm.dircon.co.uk/software/index.html >> > > That turns out to be the winning answer. :) The one trick to note > is that you can't draw lines and then arrange them in a circle. The > tick marks in my speedometer had to be rectangles who had > negligible width. The "arrange in a circle" script doesn't work on > lines for some reason. > > I wrote a brief blog entry about it, complete with a screenshot and > a download link to my graffle. Feel free to download and use as you > like. http://paco.to/ > > Paco > _______________________________________________ > OmniGraffle-Users mailing list > OmniGraffle-Users@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnigraffle-users From steff.taylor at commsaudit.com Fri Feb 16 02:40:59 2007 From: steff.taylor at commsaudit.com (Steff Taylor) Date: Fri May 25 12:41:04 2007 Subject: BLOCK ARROWS Message-ID: Hi I am a new Omnigraffle user and am trying to use curved block arrows. The templates only seem to have straight block arrows which cannot be adapted to curves. Please help if you can as I need to get a drawing done as soon as I can. Thanks Steff From jtyzack at mac.com Fri Feb 16 06:30:10 2007 From: jtyzack at mac.com (Jonathan Tyzack) Date: Fri May 25 12:41:04 2007 Subject: BLOCK ARROWS In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9870A6E4-ED80-4AE2-8773-EF84D260A672@mac.com> Hi, if you look at the Lines and Shapes inspector (press Command-2), you can convert between three different line types (straight, curved, orthogonal) and add a selection of line endings. HTH. Cheers, Jonathan ------------ Please visit The Land Gallery for British Fine Art inspired by nature and landscape: http://www.thelandgallery.com ------------ On 16 Feb 2007, at 10:40, Steff Taylor wrote: > Hi > > I am a new Omnigraffle user and am trying to use curved block > arrows. The templates only seem to have straight block arrows > which cannot be adapted to curves. > > Please help if you can as I need to get a drawing done as soon as I > can. > > > Thanks > > Steff > > > _______________________________________________ > OmniGraffle-Users mailing list > OmniGraffle-Users@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnigraffle-users From djensen at silcom.com Fri Feb 16 09:48:00 2007 From: djensen at silcom.com (Dick Jensen) Date: Fri May 25 12:41:04 2007 Subject: BLOCK ARROWS In-Reply-To: <9870A6E4-ED80-4AE2-8773-EF84D260A672@mac.com> Message-ID: I'm a longtime OG user and BLOCK ARROW shapes have always been a problem for me. I just looked at Jonathan's proposed solution and see that it applies to lines/arrows/etc. And that's not the problem. Still searching for a solution -- like Steff. Dick Jensen On 2/16/07 6:30 AM, "Jonathan Tyzack" wrote: > Hi, > > if you look at the Lines and Shapes inspector (press Command-2), you > can convert between three different line types (straight, curved, > orthogonal) and add a selection of line endings. > > HTH. > > Cheers, > > Jonathan > > ------------ > > Please visit The Land Gallery for British Fine Art inspired by nature > and landscape: > > http://www.thelandgallery.com > > ------------ > > > > On 16 Feb 2007, at 10:40, Steff Taylor wrote: > >> Hi >> >> I am a new Omnigraffle user and am trying to use curved block >> arrows. The templates only seem to have straight block arrows >> which cannot be adapted to curves. >> >> Please help if you can as I need to get a drawing done as soon as I >> can. >> >> >> Thanks >> >> Steff >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> OmniGraffle-Users mailing list >> OmniGraffle-Users@omnigroup.com >> http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnigraffle-users > > _______________________________________________ > OmniGraffle-Users mailing list > OmniGraffle-Users@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnigraffle-users > From waynefb at earthlink.net Fri Feb 16 10:17:55 2007 From: waynefb at earthlink.net (Wayne Brissette) Date: Fri May 25 12:41:04 2007 Subject: BLOCK ARROWS Message-ID: <30656358.1171649875116.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rubis.atl.sa.earthlink.net> What OG really needs are block arrows with "smarts", that is, the arrowhead doesn't shrink or expand, but maintains its proportions regardless if the object is stretched or expanded. With all the work in the XML area of the latest beta, I thought I would run some OG > Visio tests. I have to admit the results are better, but the programs still don't talk to each other as well as they should. Part of it I chalk up to the way the programs handle certain effects, but there really has be a better way to do this. I'm wondering if maybe there shouldn't be some type of compatibility check before XML objects are created. Wayne From tuomo.suominen at wsoy.fi Fri Feb 16 18:00:10 2007 From: tuomo.suominen at wsoy.fi (Tuomo Suominen) Date: Fri May 25 12:41:04 2007 Subject: Tuomo Suominen/Kustantamopalvelut/Yleinen kirjallisuus/WSOY/fi is out of the office. Message-ID: I will be out of the office starting 16.02.2007 and will not return until 26.02.2007. From chris.ridd at isode.com Sat Feb 17 12:05:56 2007 From: chris.ridd at isode.com (Chris Ridd) Date: Fri May 25 12:41:04 2007 Subject: BLOCK ARROWS In-Reply-To: <30656358.1171649875116.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rubis.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: On 16/2/07 6:17, "Wayne Brissette" wrote: > What OG really needs are block arrows with "smarts", that is, the arrowhead > doesn't shrink or expand, but maintains its proportions regardless if the > object is stretched or expanded. If you want to see how arrows are really drawn, reduce the opacity of a thickly stroked line with arrowheads and look carefully at the arrow... I guess OG is just asking OS X to draw "arrows" for them, but the results aren't (IMO) pretty enough for our expectations ;-) Cheers, Chris From ahern at ornl.gov Mon Feb 19 07:52:18 2007 From: ahern at ornl.gov (Sean Ahern) Date: Fri May 25 12:41:04 2007 Subject: Tuomo Suominen/Kustantamopalvelut/Yleinen kirjallisuus/WSOY/fi is out of the office. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20070219155217.GA1130@palantir.ornl.gov> Sorry we missed you, Tuomo. Thanks for letting hundreds of us know. -Sean __ Sean Ahern Oak Ridge National Laboratory 865-241-3748 Tuomo Suominen wrote: > I will be out of the office starting 16.02.2007 and will not return until > 26.02.2007. > > _______________________________________________ > OmniGraffle-Users mailing list > OmniGraffle-Users@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnigraffle-users From cmoritz at campbell-ewald.com Mon Feb 19 08:36:15 2007 From: cmoritz at campbell-ewald.com (Chris Moritz) Date: Fri May 25 12:41:04 2007 Subject: Clearing default tab stops in text blocks Message-ID: I don?t know how many times I?ve had to manually drag off ten or more default tab stops when creating a text block object. Anyone know of a way to creating a text block with NO built-in tabs? ________________________ Chris Moritz Experience Planner Campbell-Ewald Digital p] 586.558.7296 e] cmoritz@campbell-ewald.com aim] cmoritz1976 > ?Compelling stock photos, catchy slogans,? > ? and memorable marketing copy have just? > ? a fraction of the branding power of a? > ? single human being.?? > > ? James Archer From john.gersh at jhuapl.edu Mon Feb 19 10:19:14 2007 From: john.gersh at jhuapl.edu (John Gersh) Date: Fri May 25 12:41:04 2007 Subject: Clearing default tab stops in text blocks In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: You could make a tabless text block and save it in a stencil. When you drag an instance into a document, the tab setting is maintained. There does have to be some text in the block, but if you include only one word (e.g., "NoTabs") it will be automatically selected when you double-click the block and written over when you begin typing. Not as easy as a default setting or style, which don't seem to be possible, but probably quicker than dragging away all those tabs. - John Gersh At 11:36 AM -0500 2/19/07, Chris Moritz wrote: >I don't know how many times I've had to manually drag off ten or more >default tab stops when creating a text block object. Anyone know of a way >to creating a text block with NO built-in tabs? >________________________ >Chris Moritz >Experience Planner >Campbell-Ewald Digital > >p] 586.558.7296 >e] cmoritz@campbell-ewald.com >aim] cmoritz1976 > >> "Compelling stock photos, catchy slogans, >> and memorable marketing copy have just >> a fraction of the branding power of a >> single human being." >> >> - James Archer > > >_______________________________________________ >OmniGraffle-Users mailing list >OmniGraffle-Users@omnigroup.com >http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnigraffle-users From marc at anyware.co.uk Wed Feb 21 06:24:45 2007 From: marc at anyware.co.uk (Marc Palmer) Date: Fri May 25 12:41:04 2007 Subject: Round corners on outside of table? Message-ID: <067DE531-8F52-41BB-8861-FEBDAEF6923B@anyware.co.uk> Hi, With a table (grid) how can we round just the 4 external corders of the whole table rather than all the corners of all the cells? Marc ~ ~ ~ Marc Palmer (marc@anyware.co.uk) Consultant/Analyst http://www.anyware.co.uk/ AnyWare Ltd. From bysteven at cisco.com Thu Feb 22 18:16:51 2007 From: bysteven at cisco.com (Byron Stevens) Date: Fri May 25 12:41:04 2007 Subject: Export/output object coordinates? Message-ID: <60CAD2A4-BC56-4CA3-A2F2-6BD613CF7805@cisco.com> Hi All, I'm using OG pro to create skin designs for a thick client (very useful and efficient!) , and wondering if there's any way to output the coordinates/dimensions of the objects (or selected objects) that comprise the skin to, say an XML or text file? Currently we have to manually log the coordinates to create the hit zones in the skin XML file - very tedious... Regards, Byron From marc at anyware.co.uk Sat Feb 24 12:31:46 2007 From: marc at anyware.co.uk (Marc Palmer) Date: Fri May 25 12:41:04 2007 Subject: Repost: How to round corners of outside of table? Message-ID: [repost: saw no response. surely there's a way/workaround? I can't even embed it in a rounded outer shape unless I can get rid of the outer borders of the outer cells] Hi, With a table (grid) how can we round just the 4 external corders of the whole table rather than all the corners of all the cells? Marc From john at oram.com Sat Feb 24 13:20:29 2007 From: john at oram.com (John Oram) Date: Fri May 25 12:41:04 2007 Subject: Repost: How to round corners of outside of table? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hey Marc- In OG Pro 4.2 beta 1, you can make points in shapes editable. Not sure about other revs (.1, non-Pro, etc). - make your base shape - ctrl-click - select "Make Points Editable" - create your table - choose your corner shape within the table - Command-click on the corner control point to make the bezier controls appear You can make your table cell editable after you make the table, but it's just a little easier to get it done first. You can command click more than once, and you can also move your control point around (inward seems to be the best bet). Fair to say it's not as easy as selecting corner radius, but it's possible to get one rounded corner that way. Once you figure it out, I suppose you could copy as applescript to get the proportions. -john At 8:31 PM +0000 2/24/07, Marc Palmer wrote: >[repost: saw no response. surely there's a way/workaround? I can't >even embed it in a rounded outer shape unless I can get rid of the >outer borders of the outer cells] > >Hi, > >With a table (grid) how can we round just the 4 external corders of >the whole table rather than all the corners of all the cells? > >Marc > >_______________________________________________ >OmniGraffle-Users mailing list >OmniGraffle-Users@omnigroup.com >http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnigraffle-users From wvh at omnigroup.com Sun Feb 25 18:09:01 2007 From: wvh at omnigroup.com (William Van Hecke) Date: Fri May 25 12:41:04 2007 Subject: Repost: How to round corners of outside of table? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8C6000FB-7D3C-4554-A5FF-4806375E4673@omnigroup.com> Indeed, once you've created your rectangle-with-one-round-corner shape once, you can just apply the same shape to your other three corner cells (using the style brush, or dragging from the style summary inspector, or picking your custom shape in the line inspector). I find it easiest to make a table with the number of rows and cells you want, ungoup the table, manipulate the shapes, then select them all and make them into a table again. http://jetfuel.metalbat.com/blah/Round%20Table.png Bill On Feb 24, 2007, at 13:20, John Oram wrote: > Hey Marc- > > In OG Pro 4.2 beta 1, you can make points in shapes editable. Not > sure about other revs (.1, non-Pro, etc). > > - make your base shape > - ctrl-click > - select "Make Points Editable" > - create your table > - choose your corner shape within the table > - Command-click on the corner control point to make the bezier > controls appear > > You can make your table cell editable after you make the table, but > it's just a little easier to get it done first. > > You can command click more than once, and you can also move your > control point around (inward seems to be the best bet). Fair to > say it's not as easy as selecting corner radius, but it's possible > to get one rounded corner that way. > > Once you figure it out, I suppose you could copy as applescript to > get the proportions. > > -john > > At 8:31 PM +0000 2/24/07, Marc Palmer wrote: >> [repost: saw no response. surely there's a way/workaround? I can't >> even embed it in a rounded outer shape unless I can get rid of the >> outer borders of the outer cells] >> >> Hi, >> >> With a table (grid) how can we round just the 4 external corders >> of the whole table rather than all the corners of all the cells? >> >> Marc >> >> _______________________________________________ >> OmniGraffle-Users mailing list >> OmniGraffle-Users@omnigroup.com >> http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnigraffle-users > > _______________________________________________ > OmniGraffle-Users mailing list > OmniGraffle-Users@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnigraffle-users From stan at temple.edu Mon Feb 26 11:55:59 2007 From: stan at temple.edu (Stan Horwitz) Date: Fri May 25 12:41:04 2007 Subject: How to connect boxes with lines Message-ID: <9CD86B5D-187D-4CA5-B332-E357D3733967@temple.edu> I am trying to set up a diagram that's fairly simple. I want to connect boxes with lines, but every time I place a line on the diagram and try to connect its end points to the boxes I want, the line instead ends up with its end points in other locations. How can I force Omnigraffle to put the end points where I want them? Sorry if this is a silly question, but I am very new to this software and I am working under a deadline to prepare a presentation. Thanks. From prager at ieee.org Mon Feb 26 12:08:42 2007 From: prager at ieee.org (Kenneth Prager) Date: Fri May 25 12:41:04 2007 Subject: How to connect boxes with lines In-Reply-To: <9CD86B5D-187D-4CA5-B332-E357D3733967@temple.edu> References: <9CD86B5D-187D-4CA5-B332-E357D3733967@temple.edu> Message-ID: At 2:55 PM -0500 2/26/07, Stan Horwitz wrote: >I am trying to set up a diagram that's fairly simple. I want to >connect boxes with lines, but every time I place a line on the >diagram and try to connect its end points to the boxes I want, the >line instead ends up with its end points in other locations. How can >I force Omnigraffle to put the end points where I want them? Sorry >if this is a silly question, but I am very new to this software and >I am working under a deadline to prepare a presentation. Hold the option key while dragging the end-point of the line. From Chris.Janicki at AugurSystems.com Tue Feb 27 18:52:28 2007 From: Chris.Janicki at AugurSystems.com (Chris Janicki) Date: Fri May 25 12:41:04 2007 Subject: Export/output object coordinates? In-Reply-To: <60CAD2A4-BC56-4CA3-A2F2-6BD613CF7805@cisco.com> References: <60CAD2A4-BC56-4CA3-A2F2-6BD613CF7805@cisco.com> Message-ID: If you use the Terminal (or the Finder's "Show Package Contents") on your *.graffle file, you'll see a "data.plist" file. If you open that, and then follow the tree path as follows, you'll see some coordinates. If you have grouped objects you'll have to go down further in the tree. Root | Sheets | # | GraphicsList | # | Bounds I hope those bounds numbers are useful for you... I don't know if the units are pixels or inches or ???. On Feb 22, 2007, at 9:16 PM, Byron Stevens wrote: > Hi All, > > I'm using OG pro to create skin designs for a thick client (very > useful and efficient!) , and wondering if there's any way to output > the coordinates/dimensions of the objects (or selected objects) > that comprise the skin to, say an XML or text file? Currently we > have to manually log the coordinates to create the hit zones in the > skin XML file - very tedious... > > Regards, > Byron > _______________________________________________ > OmniGraffle-Users mailing list > OmniGraffle-Users@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnigraffle-users From pierpaolo.caricato at unile.it Wed Mar 7 01:44:11 2007 From: pierpaolo.caricato at unile.it (Pierpaolo Caricato) Date: Fri May 25 12:41:04 2007 Subject: IDEF0 Message-ID: <0E695B46-3539-47E5-B970-8E37D573D4AA@unile.it> Hi. I've just subscribed to the mailing list. I'm evaluating the possibility to buy OmniGraffle Pro. AFAIK there is no prdefined stencil set for IDEF0 diagrams. Does any of you use this type of diagrams? Can anybody give me some information on the possibility to do IDEF0 diagrams with OG? Thank you. From lists at mostrom.pp.se Mon Mar 12 14:07:57 2007 From: lists at mostrom.pp.se (=?UTF-8?Q?Jan_Erik_Mostr=C3=B6?= =?UTF-8?Q?m?=) Date: Fri May 25 12:41:04 2007 Subject: Clipart ?? Message-ID: I'm using OG more or less daily for making lecture presentations, does anyone know of a good source of clipart that can be used together with OG? I know of Graffletopica. jem From kc at omnigroup.com Tue Mar 13 08:15:40 2007 From: kc at omnigroup.com (Ken Case) Date: Fri May 25 12:41:04 2007 Subject: Clipart ?? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8AF75256-207A-4A0E-B203-F584A4AC7FB1@omnigroup.com> On Mar 12, 2007, at 2:07 PM, Jan Erik Mostr?m wrote: > I'm using OG more or less daily for making lecture presentations, > does anyone know of a good source of clipart that can be used > together with OG? OmniGraffle accepts most images types, so any source of clipart or stock photos can be used. After dragging the image onto the canvas (or placing it there with copy and paste), you can use OmniGraffle's inspectors to change the shape, zoom into a particular portion of the image, adding borders and shadows, etc. I usually look for images in PDF or PNG formats, but OmniGraffle also understands TIFF, JPEG, GIF, and quite a few other image formats. (I made my wife's first Mother's Day card by dragging a series of pictures of our daughter onto the canvas, changing the pictures' shapes to ovals and adding borders to make a frame, and adjusting the positioning of each picture within its frame.) Hope this helps! Ken P.S. -- I know you know of Graffletopia, but for those who don't (or who haven't looked at it recently) the URL is http:// www.graffletopia.com/. From bruce at sidlinger.com Tue Mar 13 09:04:15 2007 From: bruce at sidlinger.com (Bruce D. Sidlinger) Date: Fri May 25 12:41:04 2007 Subject: Clipart ?? In-Reply-To: <8AF75256-207A-4A0E-B203-F584A4AC7FB1@omnigroup.com> References: <8AF75256-207A-4A0E-B203-F584A4AC7FB1@omnigroup.com> Message-ID: <6DE7C5FF-C083-4DDA-833D-3EFA4C6E374D@sidlinger.com> There seems to be a problem with the Graffletopia link: Notice: This domain name expired on 03/08/07 and is pending renewal or deletion Registrant: mokolabs 203 Rivington St Apt 4L New York, New York 10002 United States Registered through: GoDaddy.com, Inc. (http://www.godaddy.com) Domain Name: GRAFFLETOPIA.COM Created on: 08-Mar-04 Expires on: 08-Mar-07 Last Updated on: 14-Jul-06 Administrative Contact: Crowley, Patrick patrick@mokolabs.com mokolabs 203 Rivington St Apt 4L New York, New York 10002 United States 6465915477 Fax -- Technical Contact: Crowley, Patrick patrick@mokolabs.com mokolabs 203 Rivington St Apt 4L New York, New York 10002 United States 6465915477 Fax -- Domain servers in listed order: PARK37.SECURESERVER.NET PARK38.SECURESERVER.NET -Bruce On Mar 13, 2007, at 10:15 AM, Ken Case wrote: > On Mar 12, 2007, at 2:07 PM