From jtyzack at mac.com Sun Jan 1 14:54:29 2006 From: jtyzack at mac.com (Jonathan Tyzack) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:54 2007 Subject: Keep Fit in Window question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1DD01F26-4C8D-45E4-BB4F-2EE212A0CA0C@mac.com> Hi, the way to make the "Keep Fit in Window" the default zoom for every new document is to create a template with that as the zoom setting and then point to that template as the default in your preferences (select the newly created template as the New Document Template under Preferences>Templates). Unfortunately, this setting is *not* kept for new canvasses within a document which is a royal PITA. Send OmniGroup feedback about this! However, it is very easy to set a keyboard shortcut for the option. In OS 10.4.x (and IIRC, this is the same in 10.3.x too), open System Preferences>Keyboard & Mouse>Keyboard Shortcuts and click the plus sign below the list of shortcuts. A sheet will appear where you can choose a shortcut for "All Applications" by default. Click this and choose OmniGraffle Professional instead. Then enter: Keep Fit in Window into the "Menu Title:" text input box and choose a shortcut by pressing all the keys you want together - I chose command-option- control-z for this particular option (be careful to avoid any shortcuts that are already taken by other menu items and system keyboard inputs!). Click add to set your new keyboard shortcut. If you have OmniGraffle open, quit and re-launch to have the new shortcut become active. HTH. Cheers, Jonathan On 31 Dec 2005, at 19:43, Paul Gerhards wrote: > I have a large multi-canvass document in OG pro 4.1. I do most of > my work in *Keep Fit in Window* view. Every time I restart the > application, however, the view defaults to 100%. It's a lot of work > just to change all of my 150 or so canvasses to my desired view - > especially since there is no key command for that view. > > Is there a way to change the default view to Keep Fit in Window? > > Any other suggestions? > > Is there such a thing as - or is anyone be willing to write - an > Apple script that converts multiple canvasses to Keep Fit in Window? > > thanks, > > Paul > > _______________________________________________ > OmniGraffle-Users mailing list > OmniGraffle-Users@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnigraffle-users ------------ Please visit The Land Gallery for British Fine Art inspired by nature and landscape: http://www.thelandgallery.com From jtyzack at mac.com Sun Jan 1 14:59:15 2006 From: jtyzack at mac.com (Jonathan Tyzack) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:54 2007 Subject: Pattern fills In-Reply-To: <20051223115624.756825.d619c151@mac.com> References: <200512222000.jBMK07qj006499@slowbro.omnigroup.com> <20051223115624.756825.d619c151@mac.com> Message-ID: <4E505C8E-D4E0-4D76-B4E9-0C8BEF998FE5@mac.com> Hi, I can confirm this as reproducible on my Mac - the colour of the background is a mirror image (horizontal axis) of the selection picked. Cheers, Jonathan On 23 Dec 2005, at 03:56, Mark R. Hilton wrote: > I've already sent feedback directly to OmniGroup, but I wonder if > anyone else has experienced this ... using OG 4.1 Pro on a TiBook 400 > running 10.4.3. I wanted to use a simple pattern fill of dark lines > against a greenish background. When I set the background colour to the > green, and dragged the resulting combination from the colour selector > to the appropriate well in the fill dialog, the square in the dialog > where you select what kind of fill you want--solid, radial, linear > ...--showed the right configuration of dark lines but against a > magenta-like background 180 degrees on the colour wheel from the one I > had chosen, and that combination filled the shape. By selecting a > background in the magenta area of the colour wheel, I was able to get > the greenish fill I wanted into my shape. > > Is this my machine or is it reproducible by others. > > Regards > Mark > _______________________________________________ > OmniGraffle-Users mailing list > OmniGraffle-Users@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnigraffle-users ------------ Please visit The Land Gallery for British Fine Art inspired by nature and landscape: http://www.thelandgallery.com From jtyzack at mac.com Sun Jan 1 15:06:51 2006 From: jtyzack at mac.com (Jonathan Tyzack) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:54 2007 Subject: Keep Fit in Window question In-Reply-To: <1DD01F26-4C8D-45E4-BB4F-2EE212A0CA0C@mac.com> References: <1DD01F26-4C8D-45E4-BB4F-2EE212A0CA0C@mac.com> Message-ID: <07EF619E-DD3F-4661-8F4E-4B2FC5C08E84@mac.com> Hmmm, this bit below wasn't terribly clear, sorry: > A sheet will appear where you can choose a shortcut for "All > Applications" by default. Click this and choose OmniGraffle > Professional instead. Then enter: > > Keep Fit in Window > > into the "Menu Title:" text input box and choose a shortcut by > pressing all the keys you want together - I chose command-option- > control-z for this particular option (be careful to avoid any > shortcuts that are already taken by other menu items and system > keyboard inputs!). To clarify: 1. After the sheet appears, click the All Applications menu and then choose OmniGraffle Professional from the list of applications. 2. Click in the Menu Title: text input box and enter exactly as listed in the OmniGraffle>View>Zoom> menu the text: Keep Fit in Window 3. Click the Keyboard Shortcut: text input box and then press all the keys (at once) that you wish to use to apply that menu item, e.g. command-option-control-z - this should then appear as the intended shortcut in the input box. Avoid using shortcuts that are already taken by other menu items and system defaults (fwiw, control in combination with command is a good key to use as a modifier as this is rarely if ever used by the system for keyboard shortcuts) 4. Click the add button. 5. Quit and re-launch OmniGraffle if you already have it open to make the shortcut take. Cheers, Jonathan ------------ Please visit The Land Gallery for British Fine Art inspired by nature and landscape: http://www.thelandgallery.com From jsoriano at sumbeach.com Mon Jan 2 14:23:42 2006 From: jsoriano at sumbeach.com (Jim Soriano) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:54 2007 Subject: Website mapping Message-ID: Hi all: I'm using MacOS 10.4.3/OG 4.1 Pro. I recall a thread in late September 2005 that indicated that OG will "automagically" create a map of a website by dragging and dropping a URL onto the OG icon. Unfortunately, I can't seem to get that to work by dragging a URL from either Firefox 1.5 or Safari onto the OG icon in my dock or in the Applications folder. OG never starts up, and if OG is running with a blank open document nothing happens. Any ideas on what I'm doing wrong? Regards, Jim From trevor at vocaro.com Mon Jan 2 21:58:42 2006 From: trevor at vocaro.com (Trevor Harmon) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:54 2007 Subject: Website mapping In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0A307AE1-F21B-4514-A676-55BB4B0A6E2A@vocaro.com> On Jan 2, 2006, at 4:23 PM, Jim Soriano wrote: > I recall a thread in late September 2005 that indicated that OG > will "automagically" create a map of a website by dragging and > dropping a URL onto the OG icon. I believe you're talking about this thread: http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/archive/omnigraffle-users/2005/ thread.html#3322 It's hard to follow the thread, but I don't think you can drag an URL. It sounded like some people were saying they could drag a folder containing a web site (HTML files), but when I tried that, it only created a straight file/directory hierarchy, ignoring the internal HTML links. Trevor From alan.schmitt at polytechnique.org Tue Jan 3 00:14:51 2006 From: alan.schmitt at polytechnique.org (Alan Schmitt) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:54 2007 Subject: Website mapping In-Reply-To: <0A307AE1-F21B-4514-A676-55BB4B0A6E2A@vocaro.com> References: <0A307AE1-F21B-4514-A676-55BB4B0A6E2A@vocaro.com> Message-ID: <8F4C96DA-5DC8-4FAF-B02F-859617BBD5EF@polytechnique.org> On 3 janv. 06, at 06:58, Trevor Harmon wrote: > On Jan 2, 2006, at 4:23 PM, Jim Soriano wrote: > >> I recall a thread in late September 2005 that indicated that OG >> will "automagically" create a map of a website by dragging and >> dropping a URL onto the OG icon. > > I believe you're talking about this thread: > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/archive/omnigraffle-users/2005/ > thread.html#3322 > > It's hard to follow the thread, but I don't think you can drag an > URL. It sounded like some people were saying they could drag a > folder containing a web site (HTML files), but when I tried that, > it only created a straight file/directory hierarchy, ignoring the > internal HTML links. I was the source of this confusion: I misread someone's post about viewing some local file hierarchy, such as a website developed locally, inside OmniGraffle as a way to see the structure of a remote website. It is indeed not possible to do it directly. Alan -- Alan Schmitt The hacker: someone who figured things out and made something cool happen. .O. ..O OOO From graffle at mettre.de Tue Jan 3 00:38:34 2006 From: graffle at mettre.de (Ortwin Zillgen) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:54 2007 Subject: Website mapping In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <25E93862-669D-4C82-8FFF-2D755FF59CE3@mettre.de> > I'm using MacOS 10.4.3/OG 4.1 Pro. > > I recall a thread in late September 2005 that indicated that OG =20 > will "automagically" create a map of a website by dragging and =20 > dropping a URL onto the OG icon. Unfortunately, I can't seem to =20 > get that to work by dragging a URL from either Firefox 1.5 or =20 > Safari onto the OG icon in my dock or in the Applications folder. =20 > OG never starts up, and if OG is running with a blank open document =20= > nothing happens. > > Any ideas on what I'm doing wrong? OG does graph the folder and file hierarchy, which is nice, when =20 developing a WebSite. for logical URL-analysis see XyleScope for CSS-analysis see CSSEdit Regards Ortwin Zillgen =B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0= =B0 Stadt Land Flu=A7 * Geographic Informationsystems ceterum censeo: get that reply thing fixed - soon! From marc at anyware.co.uk Thu Jan 5 08:02:45 2006 From: marc at anyware.co.uk (Marc Palmer) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:54 2007 Subject: Gantt shapes? Message-ID: <66DFF947-43E5-492E-A669-E583E96A4642@anyware.co.uk> Hi, Has anyone got a Gantt project chart stencil? Also... where do I find the "sticky" shape? Cheers ~ ~ ~ Marc Palmer (marc@anyware.co.uk) Consultant/Analyst AnyWare Ltd. http://www.anyware.co.uk/ From waynefb at earthlink.net Thu Jan 5 09:19:23 2006 From: waynefb at earthlink.net (Wayne Brissette) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:54 2007 Subject: Best way to do this? Message-ID: <7536627.1136481564196.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rubis.atl.sa.earthlink.net> I use the guides quite a bit to draw timing diagrams for chips. To save time, I resuse older timing diagrams. The problem I have is trying to leave the guides in placed while trying to grab a point which I have placed at the intersection of two guides. I seem to be able to grab the guide, but trying to grab the objects point is nearly impossible to do. I hate moving the guides because usually they are lined up with clock edges and I have to be pretty precise in where rising or falling edges are. Is there an easy way I haven't discovered to deal with this? Wayne From john.gersh at jhuapl.edu Thu Jan 5 09:53:05 2006 From: john.gersh at jhuapl.edu (John Gersh) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:54 2007 Subject: Best way to do this? In-Reply-To: <7536627.1136481564196.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rubis.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <7536627.1136481564196.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rubis.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: I'm not sure what you mean by "point" here. If it's a point on the edge of an extended object, then selecting the object makes the cursor respond to the object's points rather than to the guide. If it's a tiny object at the guides' intersection, then there could be a selection problem, though zooming in might resolve it. If zooming is not an option for some reason, have you tried locking the guides? That makes them ungrabable, and if their position must be precise and unchanging I'd think that locking them would be wise anyway. - John Gersh At 11:19 AM -0600 1/5/06, Wayne Brissette wrote: >I use the guides quite a bit to draw timing diagrams for chips. To >save time, I resuse older timing diagrams. The problem I have is >trying to leave the guides in placed while trying to grab a point >which I have placed at the intersection of two guides. I seem to be >able to grab the guide, but trying to grab the objects point is >nearly impossible to do. I hate moving the guides because usually >they are lined up with clock edges and I have to be pretty precise >in where rising or falling edges are. > >Is there an easy way I haven't discovered to deal with this? > >Wayne From rothch at gmx.de Thu Jan 5 09:54:42 2006 From: rothch at gmx.de (Christian Roth) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:54 2007 Subject: Best way to do this? In-Reply-To: <7536627.1136481564196.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rubis.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <7536627.1136481564196.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rubis.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20060105175442.21592@mail.gmx.de> Wayne Brissette wrote: >I use the guides quite a bit to draw timing diagrams for chips. To save >time, I resuse older timing diagrams. The problem I have is trying to >leave the guides in placed while trying to grab a point which I have >placed at the intersection of two guides. In OG Pro 4, there's Arrange > Guides > Lock Guides. This should do what you want, i.e. make the guide-lines non-draggable. Regards, Christian. From waynefb at earthlink.net Thu Jan 5 10:12:34 2006 From: waynefb at earthlink.net (Wayne Brissette) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:54 2007 Subject: Best way to do this? Message-ID: <29733827.1136484754263.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rubis.atl.sa.earthlink.net> >In OG Pro 4, there's Arrange > Guides > Lock Guides. This should do what >you want, i.e. make the guide-lines non-draggable. Ah-ha! That works. Thanks! Wayne From richardsona at mac.com Thu Jan 5 10:24:56 2006 From: richardsona at mac.com (Adam Richardson) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:54 2007 Subject: Best way to do this? Message-ID: <15047342.1136485496694.JavaMail.richardsona@mac.com> Hi Wayne- Not sure why you're having a hard time grabbing the object points - for me I can easily grab corner points of shapes (whether geometric or custom shapes) under guide intersections, the cursor doesn't switch to the guide-moving indicator. But you can also lock guides universally: In the Arrange menu, go to Guides and select Lock Guides. (In System Preferences you could set up a keyboard shortcut for this also.) This will leave the guides visible, but not allow them to be picked and used for alignment. Adam On Thursday, January 05, 2006, at 09:49AM, Wayne Brissette wrote: >I use the guides quite a bit to draw timing diagrams for chips. To save time, I resuse older timing diagrams. The problem I have is trying to leave the guides in placed while trying to grab a point which I have placed at the intersection of two guides. I seem to be able to grab the guide, but trying to grab the objects point is nearly impossible to do. I hate moving the guides because usually they are lined up with clock edges and I have to be pretty precise in where rising or falling edges are. > >Is there an easy way I haven't discovered to deal with this? > > >Wayne >_______________________________________________ >OmniGraffle-Users mailing list >OmniGraffle-Users@omnigroup.com >http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnigraffle-users > > From mail at petermcm.dircon.co.uk Thu Jan 5 10:29:28 2006 From: mail at petermcm.dircon.co.uk (Peter McMaster) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:54 2007 Subject: Best way to do this? In-Reply-To: <7536627.1136481564196.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rubis.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <7536627.1136481564196.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rubis.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <40427798-9BF5-4110-9E36-5291544A5E7C@petermcm.dircon.co.uk> You may also be able to use Cmd Opt Shift click which makes a click select a point that's hidden under the resize handles, rather than the resize handle. Not sure if this applies to guides to, and I don't have a copy of Pro handy. - Peter On 5 Jan 2006, at 17:19, Wayne Brissette wrote: > I use the guides quite a bit to draw timing diagrams for chips. To > save time, I resuse older timing diagrams. The problem I have is > trying to leave the guides in placed while trying to grab a point > which I have placed at the intersection of two guides. I seem to be > able to grab the guide, but trying to grab the objects point is > nearly impossible to do. I hate moving the guides because usually > they are lined up with clock edges and I have to be pretty precise > in where rising or falling edges are. > > Is there an easy way I haven't discovered to deal with this? > > > Wayne > _______________________________________________ > OmniGraffle-Users mailing list > OmniGraffle-Users@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnigraffle-users From po at ostry.com Thu Jan 5 13:26:46 2006 From: po at ostry.com (Peter Ostry) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:54 2007 Subject: [OT] Simple animation program Message-ID: Sorry to use the bandwith of this list, but I can imagine that some of you deal with animation. Can anyone recommend a relatively small and easy to use animation program which fits for software tutorials? Basic use is 2D, better if it handles simple 3D shapes. I want visible animation paths (not a must but handy), tweening, ease in/out, a timeline and (if 3D) some lightweight rendering. Gouraud shading would suffice. Graphic import is required, either files or direct copy/paste of single elements. Output as a movie or as individual frames. Screen resolution only, 420 pixel width is enough. My experience (many years ago): The old Fireworks, a 3D scene placement software, was perfect. Adobe Dimensions was on a good way until it got dropped. Cinema 4D and that kind of stuff is too big. I don't like Flash. Bryce is too clumsy and doesn't fit for 2D (I don't know the last two versions). If offtopic is undesired in this list please respond privately. Thank you very much in advance! ___ Peter Ostry From netsec at omnigroup.com Thu Jan 5 15:44:29 2006 From: netsec at omnigroup.com (netsec@omnigroup.com) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:54 2007 Subject: The Omni Group is hiring a QA person Message-ID: <17B6A415-427D-4C26-871A-A64C5E3732DA@omnigroup.com> Interested parties should check our website for more info. If you have any questions, feel free to send them to . Sincerely, Brian C. Support & QA Manager Omni Group From richardsona at mac.com Thu Jan 5 15:48:54 2006 From: richardsona at mac.com (Adam Richardson) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:54 2007 Subject: How to set opacity? In-Reply-To: <20051206152339.6614.qmail@mail.ourinternet.us> References: <20051206152339.6614.qmail@mail.ourinternet.us> Message-ID: <91cfd1cc1541583bc7e2a9a12b252e02@mac.com> Chuck- Pick the Fill swatch, the Colors window should show up. There's an opacity slider at the bottom of it. It's really intuitive once you get used to it ;) Adam On Dec 6, 2005, at 7:23 AM, Chuck Hinkle wrote: > > Am I missing something obvious? > I drew a box and gave it a solid fill, and I want to make it 50% > opaque. But from what I can tell, the only way I can make it opaque is > to put a picture in the box instead of a color. So do I need to store > a file with that color chip so I can use it as a picture fill instead > of a color fill and then I can adjust its opacity? > Chuck > _______________________________________________ > OmniGraffle-Users mailing list > OmniGraffle-Users@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnigraffle-users > From marc at anyware.co.uk Fri Jan 6 07:33:59 2006 From: marc at anyware.co.uk (Marc Palmer) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:54 2007 Subject: PDF export multi-page? Message-ID: <2C64B51C-E429-4C7D-A931-9B7F812F4CCF@anyware.co.uk> Are there any plans to add multi-page PDF export for multi page Graffle Pro documents? It's currently a bit braindead the way it takes multiple A4 pages and dumps them into a single page PDF... ...and I guess that was a "No" to my Gantt project chart question :) I hacked a diagram together in no time using the great tables support. I'm a recent Mac convert and OmniGraffle is fantastic. Visio was always so painful! ~ ~ ~ Marc Palmer (marc@anyware.co.uk) Consultant/Analyst AnyWare Ltd. http://www.anyware.co.uk/ From marc at anyware.co.uk Fri Jan 6 08:19:51 2006 From: marc at anyware.co.uk (Marc Palmer) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:54 2007 Subject: PDF export multi-page? In-Reply-To: <2C64B51C-E429-4C7D-A931-9B7F812F4CCF@anyware.co.uk> References: <2C64B51C-E429-4C7D-A931-9B7F812F4CCF@anyware.co.uk> Message-ID: <1F0AF013-ADC7-4991-AF74-A0F531B7CE68@anyware.co.uk> On 6 Jan 2006, at 15:33, Marc Palmer wrote: > > Are there any plans to add multi-page PDF export for multi page > Graffle Pro documents? > > It's currently a bit braindead the way it takes multiple A4 pages > and dumps them into a single page PDF... > > ...and I guess that was a "No" to my Gantt project chart > question :) I hacked a diagram together in no time using the great > tables support. > > I'm a recent Mac convert and OmniGraffle is fantastic. Visio was > always so painful! Graffle does it again. I found that if I create multiple canvases, one for each page, it exports multi page PDF. It's just a bit confusing that creating a multi-page single canvas does not do the same thing. I'm sure there are reasons (like large diagrams printed across multiple sheets of paper, but are only one page themselves). Cheers ~ ~ ~ Marc Palmer (marc@anyware.co.uk) Consultant/Analyst AnyWare Ltd. http://www.anyware.co.uk/ From nmeersschaert at mac.com Fri Jan 6 12:56:52 2006 From: nmeersschaert at mac.com (Niels Meersschaert) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:54 2007 Subject: PDF export multi-page? In-Reply-To: <1F0AF013-ADC7-4991-AF74-A0F531B7CE68@anyware.co.uk> References: <2C64B51C-E429-4C7D-A931-9B7F812F4CCF@anyware.co.uk> <1F0AF013-ADC7-4991-AF74-A0F531B7CE68@anyware.co.uk> Message-ID: The reason for that occurring under a single canvas is that a "page" in that context is dependent on the printer & paper chosen at that moment & only affects producing a hard copy & thus aren't part of the document information. Giving the file to someone else who might have a different paper/printer combo would create issues if page breaks & page size were presumed, and also, not everyone prints. If you want to separate out information onto logical pages (electronic), the multiple canvases option is the proper solution. This has the added benefit of also working when printing to physical pages. -Niels On Jan 6, 2006, at 11:19 AM, Marc Palmer wrote: > > On 6 Jan 2006, at 15:33, Marc Palmer wrote: > >> >> Are there any plans to add multi-page PDF export for multi page >> Graffle Pro documents? >> >> It's currently a bit braindead the way it takes multiple A4 pages >> and dumps them into a single page PDF... >> >> ...and I guess that was a "No" to my Gantt project chart >> question :) I hacked a diagram together in no time using the great >> tables support. >> >> I'm a recent Mac convert and OmniGraffle is fantastic. Visio was >> always so painful! > > Graffle does it again. I found that if I create multiple canvases, > one for each page, it exports multi page PDF. It's just a bit > confusing that creating a multi-page single canvas does not do the > same thing. > > I'm sure there are reasons (like large diagrams printed across > multiple sheets of paper, but are only one page themselves). > > Cheers > > ~ ~ ~ > Marc Palmer (marc@anyware.co.uk) > Consultant/Analyst > AnyWare Ltd. > http://www.anyware.co.uk/ > > _______________________________________________ > OmniGraffle-Users mailing list > OmniGraffle-Users@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnigraffle-users From greg at omnigroup.com Fri Jan 6 13:04:07 2006 From: greg at omnigroup.com (Greg Titus) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:54 2007 Subject: PDF export multi-page? In-Reply-To: References: <2C64B51C-E429-4C7D-A931-9B7F812F4CCF@anyware.co.uk> <1F0AF013-ADC7-4991-AF74-A0F531B7CE68@anyware.co.uk> Message-ID: Marc, Niels describes the reasons why things work the way they do very well. However, if what you do want is to generate a PDF that is paginated the same way it would be for printing (i.e. large canvases split into multiple pages), you can hit cmd-P to bring up the print panel, and choose "Save As PDF..." from the PDF menu there. Hope this helps, - Greg On Jan 6, 2006, at 12:56 PM, Niels Meersschaert wrote: > The reason for that occurring under a single canvas is that a > "page" in that context is dependent on the printer & paper chosen > at that moment & only affects producing a hard copy & thus aren't > part of the document information. Giving the file to someone else > who might have a different paper/printer combo would create issues > if page breaks & page size were presumed, and also, not everyone > prints. If you want to separate out information onto logical pages > (electronic), the multiple canvases option is the proper solution. > This has the added benefit of also working when printing to > physical pages. > > > -Niels > > On Jan 6, 2006, at 11:19 AM, Marc Palmer wrote: > >> >> On 6 Jan 2006, at 15:33, Marc Palmer wrote: >> >>> >>> Are there any plans to add multi-page PDF export for multi page >>> Graffle Pro documents? >>> >>> It's currently a bit braindead the way it takes multiple A4 pages >>> and dumps them into a single page PDF... >>> >>> ...and I guess that was a "No" to my Gantt project chart >>> question :) I hacked a diagram together in no time using the >>> great tables support. >>> >>> I'm a recent Mac convert and OmniGraffle is fantastic. Visio was >>> always so painful! >> >> Graffle does it again. I found that if I create multiple canvases, >> one for each page, it exports multi page PDF. It's just a bit >> confusing that creating a multi-page single canvas does not do the >> same thing. >> >> I'm sure there are reasons (like large diagrams printed across >> multiple sheets of paper, but are only one page themselves). >> >> Cheers >> >> ~ ~ ~ >> Marc Palmer (marc@anyware.co.uk) >> Consultant/Analyst >> AnyWare Ltd. >> http://www.anyware.co.uk/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> OmniGraffle-Users mailing list >> OmniGraffle-Users@omnigroup.com >> http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnigraffle-users > > _______________________________________________ > OmniGraffle-Users mailing list > OmniGraffle-Users@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnigraffle-users From christian.sodl at orf.at Mon Jan 9 05:05:23 2006 From: christian.sodl at orf.at (christian.sodl@orf.at) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:54 2007 Subject: No ScriptMenu in OG 4.1 Message-ID: Hi, I switched from OG 3.1 to 4.1 and in 4.1 there is no Scriptmenu. So it?s a bit difficult to reach my Applescripts. I do a workaround with Smile. I?m working on an iBook with Resolution 1024x768. Any Comment? Best Regards from Vienna Christian Sodl From curt.clifton at mac.com Mon Jan 9 05:41:42 2006 From: curt.clifton at mac.com (Curtis Clifton) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:54 2007 Subject: No ScriptMenu in OG 4.1 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45771B54-163D-48AA-89F0-86C773412BFF@mac.com> Christian, On Jan 9, 2006, at 8:05 AM, christian.sodl@orf.at wrote: > I switched from OG 3.1 to 4.1 and in 4.1 there is no Scriptmenu. > So it?s a bit difficult to reach my Applescripts. I do a workaround > with Smile. > I?m working on an iBook with Resolution 1024x768. > Any Comment? Recent versions of the Omni apps running on Tiger use the system script menu (at the top right), rather than having their own menu. If you don't have the system script menu, try running /Applications/ AppleScript/AppleScript Utility. It has an option to activate the system script menu. Cheers, Curt From christian.sodl at orf.at Mon Jan 9 07:17:14 2006 From: christian.sodl at orf.at (christian.sodl@orf.at) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:54 2007 Subject: No ScriptMenu in OG 4.1 Message-ID: Hi again, As I was mentioned, that OG uses now the System Applescriptmenu.(Thanks to Peter and Curtis) It is a Localisation Problem. The German Names are longer then the English Names. e.g. "Edit" --"Bearbeiten" So with a resolution of 1024x768 and OG (3&4) in Foreground, you have no longer SystemMenus in the Menubar. OG needs the whole Space. Best Regards Christian Sodl From mail at petermcm.dircon.co.uk Mon Jan 9 07:22:06 2006 From: mail at petermcm.dircon.co.uk (Peter McMaster) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:54 2007 Subject: No ScriptMenu in OG 4.1 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <85CD405E-B405-4565-B948-8CFF9146999A@petermcm.dircon.co.uk> Can't think of any easy solution to this. Complicated solution: If you are comfortable doing such things then if you look in the OmniGraffle package (Control-click on the OmniGraffle application, choose "Show Package Contents") then go to Contents/Resources/ de.lproj and open OmniGraffle.nib. This will open in Interface Builder (if you have that installed, it's part of developer tools.) and from there you can open MainMenu (which appears in the window titled "OmniGraffle.nib (de)"), and double-click on the menus names in the window that appears, and edit them. Possibly something like changing "Informationen" to "Info." would be enough to fix the problem for you? If you don't have the developer tools installed, then if you wanted I can make up and send you the appropriate .nib file. Let me know what you'd like the menus to be called and I'll throw one together. - Peter On 9 Jan 2006, at 15:17, wrote: > Hi again, > As I was mentioned, that OG uses now the System Applescriptmenu. > (Thanks > to Peter and Curtis) > It is a Localisation Problem. The German Names are longer then the > English Names. e.g. "Edit" --"Bearbeiten" > So with a resolution of 1024x768 and OG (3&4) in Foreground, you > have no > longer SystemMenus in the Menubar. > OG needs the whole Space. > Best Regards > Christian Sodl > _______________________________________________ > OmniGraffle-Users mailing list > OmniGraffle-Users@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnigraffle-users From josborn at jaykayoh.com Tue Jan 10 10:28:34 2006 From: josborn at jaykayoh.com (Jeremy K Osborn) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:54 2007 Subject: Onmigraffle on Intel In-Reply-To: <17B6A415-427D-4C26-871A-A64C5E3732DA@omnigroup.com> References: <17B6A415-427D-4C26-871A-A64C5E3732DA@omnigroup.com> Message-ID: The Intel macs are being announced now. I plan to buy a Intel mac once the G5 towers are replaced. How long before Omnigraffle (and Omnioutliner) run natively on Mac/Intel? From greg at omnigroup.com Tue Jan 10 10:45:48 2006 From: greg at omnigroup.com (Greg Titus) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:54 2007 Subject: Onmigraffle on Intel In-Reply-To: References: <17B6A415-427D-4C26-871A-A64C5E3732DA@omnigroup.com> Message-ID: <353E33C5-DF61-4F04-B764-7EC055B47D40@omnigroup.com> On Jan 10, 2006, at 10:28 AM, Jeremy K Osborn wrote: > The Intel macs are being announced now. I plan to buy a Intel mac > once the G5 towers are replaced. How long before Omnigraffle (and > Omnioutliner) run natively on Mac/Intel? As soon as the keynote is over, we'll update our web site to announce the universal binary versions, and you'll be able to download them today. :-) - Greg From dave.friesen at nike.com Tue Jan 10 10:48:50 2006 From: dave.friesen at nike.com (Dave Friesen) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:54 2007 Subject: Onmigraffle on Intel In-Reply-To: <353E33C5-DF61-4F04-B764-7EC055B47D40@omnigroup.com> Message-ID: That's not soon enough, dammit! ;-) On 1/10/06 10:45 AM, "Greg Titus" wrote: > > On Jan 10, 2006, at 10:28 AM, Jeremy K Osborn wrote: > >> The Intel macs are being announced now. I plan to buy a Intel mac >> once the G5 towers are replaced. How long before Omnigraffle (and >> Omnioutliner) run natively on Mac/Intel? > > As soon as the keynote is over, we'll update our web site to announce > the universal binary versions, and you'll be able to download them > today. :-) > > - Greg > _______________________________________________ > OmniGraffle-Users mailing list > OmniGraffle-Users@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnigraffle-users > -- Dave Friesen Business Consultant US Apparel IT 503.532.6745 From kc at omnigroup.com Thu Jan 12 23:31:31 2006 From: kc at omnigroup.com (Ken Case) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:54 2007 Subject: Universal Binary builds posted Tuesday Message-ID: <4332D435-7B45-438E-B214-3E27D32A552D@omnigroup.com> Just in case anyone didn't notice our press release earlier this week, I thought I'd mention that we released Universal Binary builds of OmniGraffle 4, OmniOutliner 3, OmniDiskSweeper, and OmniObjectMeter on Tuesday. (OmniWeb 5.5 is also Universal, but it's still in development.) These are all free updates which you can download from our web site. Enjoy! Ken From jtyzack at mac.com Fri Jan 13 12:53:35 2006 From: jtyzack at mac.com (Jonathan Tyzack) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:54 2007 Subject: No longer bundled on MacBooks? Message-ID: <1173DC4B-8133-42BD-9EBA-6C83CB9F23FE@mac.com> Just checking the features of the new MacBook and the list of what software is included is missing OmniGraffle. Have OmniGroup stopped their bundling agreement with Apple for these new Macs? I'm really not impressed by the ever increasing list of things missing from the MacBooks... Cheers, Jonathan ------------ Please visit The Land Gallery for British Fine Art inspired by nature and landscape: http://www.thelandgallery.com From nmeersschaert at mac.com Fri Jan 13 14:22:07 2006 From: nmeersschaert at mac.com (Niels Meersschaert) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:54 2007 Subject: No longer bundled on MacBooks? In-Reply-To: <1173DC4B-8133-42BD-9EBA-6C83CB9F23FE@mac.com> References: <1173DC4B-8133-42BD-9EBA-6C83CB9F23FE@mac.com> Message-ID: <8C82C099-D56A-4238-ABA7-0F6DB0746E8A@mac.com> It appears that OmniOutliner is still included in the bundle & is perhaps a little broader appeal than OmniGraffle. In any case, Omni offers some great upgrade pricing if you're running an older version (pre 4.x) of OmniGraffle. This includes the bundled versions. On Jan 13, 2006, at 3:53 PM, Jonathan Tyzack wrote: > Just checking the features of the new MacBook and the list of what > software is included is missing OmniGraffle. Have OmniGroup stopped > their bundling agreement with Apple for these new Macs? I'm really > not impressed by the ever increasing list of things missing from > the MacBooks... > > Cheers, > > Jonathan > > ------------ > > Please visit The Land Gallery for British Fine Art inspired by > nature and landscape: > > http://www.thelandgallery.com > > _______________________________________________ > OmniGraffle-Users mailing list > OmniGraffle-Users@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnigraffle-users From greg at omnigroup.com Fri Jan 13 14:32:43 2006 From: greg at omnigroup.com (Greg Titus) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:55 2007 Subject: No longer bundled on MacBooks? In-Reply-To: <1173DC4B-8133-42BD-9EBA-6C83CB9F23FE@mac.com> References: <1173DC4B-8133-42BD-9EBA-6C83CB9F23FE@mac.com> Message-ID: On Jan 13, 2006, at 12:53 PM, Jonathan Tyzack wrote: > Just checking the features of the new MacBook and the list of what > software is included is missing OmniGraffle. Have OmniGroup stopped > their bundling agreement with Apple for these new Macs? I'm really > not impressed by the ever increasing list of things missing from > the MacBooks... > > Cheers, > > Jonathan Frankly, I was a bit surprised that OmniGraffle isn't included on the MacBooks too. The bundling agreement continues, but it is entirely up to Apple whether any particular SKU they sell contains Graffle or Outliner or both or neither, and they've apparently decided to expand distribution of Outliner and cut back on Graffle a bit. -- Greg From fcorbett at comcast.net Fri Jan 13 15:02:11 2006 From: fcorbett at comcast.net (Forrest Corbett) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:55 2007 Subject: No longer bundled on MacBooks? In-Reply-To: <8C82C099-D56A-4238-ABA7-0F6DB0746E8A@mac.com> References: <1173DC4B-8133-42BD-9EBA-6C83CB9F23FE@mac.com> <8C82C099-D56A-4238-ABA7-0F6DB0746E8A@mac.com> Message-ID: <52495D66-0DBA-43A1-88B4-35F01CDB6F1D@comcast.net> On Jan 13, 2006, at 2:22 PM, Niels Meersschaert wrote: > In any case, Omni offers some great upgrade pricing if you're > running an older version (pre 4.x) of OmniGraffle. Slightly off-topic, but I don't find the OG upgrade pricing that appealing. -Forrest From jtyzack at mac.com Fri Jan 13 15:11:32 2006 From: jtyzack at mac.com (Jonathan Tyzack) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:55 2007 Subject: No longer bundled on MacBooks? In-Reply-To: <8C82C099-D56A-4238-ABA7-0F6DB0746E8A@mac.com> References: <1173DC4B-8133-42BD-9EBA-6C83CB9F23FE@mac.com> <8C82C099-D56A-4238-ABA7-0F6DB0746E8A@mac.com> Message-ID: <6CE979DA-2671-418A-B1BD-DB165ED9D6BB@mac.com> Well, given that I would consider OmniGraffle to be one of *the* apps that shows off the power of OS X, I find it really disappointing that it isn't included. Not to mention it "saving" you $79 for a licence. GraphicConverter is also not bundled any longer. That's $110 worth of cracking Mac software missing ($140 if you include Art Director's Toolkit which is also MIA)... the value for money of the MacBooks just isn't all that great any more. Cheers, Jonathan On 13 Jan 2006, at 22:22, Niels Meersschaert wrote: > It appears that OmniOutliner is still included in the bundle & is > perhaps a little broader appeal than OmniGraffle. In any case, > Omni offers some great upgrade pricing if you're running an older > version (pre 4.x) of OmniGraffle. This includes the bundled versions. > > On Jan 13, 2006, at 3:53 PM, Jonathan Tyzack wrote: > >> Just checking the features of the new MacBook and the list of what >> software is included is missing OmniGraffle. Have OmniGroup >> stopped their bundling agreement with Apple for these new Macs? >> I'm really not impressed by the ever increasing list of things >> missing from the MacBooks... >> >> Cheers, >> >> Jonathan >> >> ------------ >> >> Please visit The Land Gallery for British Fine Art inspired by >> nature and landscape: >> >> http://www.thelandgallery.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> OmniGraffle-Users mailing list >> OmniGraffle-Users@omnigroup.com >> http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnigraffle-users > > _______________________________________________ > OmniGraffle-Users mailing list > OmniGraffle-Users@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnigraffle-users ------------ Please visit The Land Gallery for British Fine Art inspired by nature and landscape: http://www.thelandgallery.com From nmeersschaert at mac.com Fri Jan 13 15:20:13 2006 From: nmeersschaert at mac.com (Niels Meersschaert) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:55 2007 Subject: No longer bundled on MacBooks? In-Reply-To: <52495D66-0DBA-43A1-88B4-35F01CDB6F1D@comcast.net> References: <1173DC4B-8133-42BD-9EBA-6C83CB9F23FE@mac.com> <8C82C099-D56A-4238-ABA7-0F6DB0746E8A@mac.com> <52495D66-0DBA-43A1-88B4-35F01CDB6F1D@comcast.net> Message-ID: <62AA1509-F0D7-4542-B484-6E06A18BBD03@mac.com> Hmmm... it's roughly 1/3 the cost of a full license to upgrade. That's a pretty reasonable ratio. Especially when you consider other popular apps. Office is roughly 2/3 the price of a full license to upgrade. OS X, iWork & iLife are 100% of a full license cost. On Jan 13, 2006, at 6:02 PM, Forrest Corbett wrote: > On Jan 13, 2006, at 2:22 PM, Niels Meersschaert wrote: >> In any case, Omni offers some great upgrade pricing if you're >> running an older version (pre 4.x) of OmniGraffle. > > Slightly off-topic, but I don't find the OG upgrade pricing that > appealing. > > -Forrest > _______________________________________________ > OmniGraffle-Users mailing list > OmniGraffle-Users@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnigraffle-users From fcorbett at comcast.net Fri Jan 13 17:30:04 2006 From: fcorbett at comcast.net (Forrest Corbett) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:55 2007 Subject: upgrade pricing (fka: No longer bundled on MacBooks?) In-Reply-To: <62AA1509-F0D7-4542-B484-6E06A18BBD03@mac.com> References: <1173DC4B-8133-42BD-9EBA-6C83CB9F23FE@mac.com> <8C82C099-D56A-4238-ABA7-0F6DB0746E8A@mac.com> <52495D66-0DBA-43A1-88B4-35F01CDB6F1D@comcast.net> <62AA1509-F0D7-4542-B484-6E06A18BBD03@mac.com> Message-ID: <024B0897-D4AC-4307-A765-85EC60DA5568@comcast.net> On Jan 13, 2006, at 3:20 PM, Niels Meersschaert wrote: > Hmmm... it's roughly 1/3 the cost of a full license to upgrade. > That's a pretty reasonable ratio. Especially when you consider > other popular apps. Office is roughly 2/3 the price of a full > license to upgrade. OS X, iWork & iLife are 100% of a full license > cost. Standard full is $79.95. Upgrade is $29.95. That's 37%. Pro full can be found for $135.94. Upgrade is $49.95. That's 36.7%. There are many ways to get MS Office for less than that, so their pricing is very abnormal. I pay about $40 per upgrade. iLife is pretty much upgrade only, since it already comes with new macs (and has for several years.) OS X is pretty much the same. Part of my frustration on this matter is that I paid full price for OG3 a little over a year ago. A few months later I got a new Mac which came with OG3. Now I own three copies, fully paying for one. Anyone who owns a newer Mac has the same upgrade option as someone who paid full price for it. Other apps are much less expensive to upgrade. For example, Photoshop CS2 is $599 new, but the upgrade is only $149. That's about a quarter of the new price. Macromedia's upgrade pricing was about the same when OG4 shipped. They also offered deals (as does Adobe, on occasion) for upgrading if you own multiple titles from them. BBEdit is $199, $49 for the upgrade. That said, it does seem like their upgrade pricing isn't as bad as I remember it being when OG was released. Crossgrades are even less appealing. I still think it's far from "great," however. "Great" would be like BB's 50% upgrade from a free app. -Forrest From waynefb at earthlink.net Fri Jan 13 13:20:13 2006 From: waynefb at earthlink.net (Wayne Brissette) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:55 2007 Subject: No longer bundled on MacBooks? Message-ID: <14862507.1137187213737.JavaMail.root@elwamui-karabash.atl.sa.earthlink.net> >Just checking the features of the new MacBook and the list of what >software is included is missing OmniGraffle. Have OmniGroup stopped >their bundling agreement with Apple for these new Macs? Bundling agreements are made per computer model, if a model is rev'd during the year, the bundle likely changes as well. My iBook didn't come with OmniGraffle, but some PowerBook models shipping at the time did. When I worked in the support area of Apple (AppleCare), one of the biggest complaints from the phone agents was not being able to easily track what should be on a particular model. Sometimes the same model had different software bundles depending on who sold the system (school bookstores, retailers, Apple Store). So, I guess the answer is if you don't like the bundle, wait and see what ships on the next rev. Wayne From davidbo at kth.se Mon Jan 16 15:11:58 2006 From: davidbo at kth.se (david) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:55 2007 Subject: Decision trees Message-ID: What is the best software to draw decision trees on a Mac? Has anyone tried Omnigraffle for this - are there any premade stencils for this purpose? Thanks -- A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail? From pierre.chatelier at club-internet.fr Tue Jan 17 00:18:57 2006 From: pierre.chatelier at club-internet.fr (Pierre Chatelier) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:55 2007 Subject: ShapeOnYou In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello, In case anyone is interested, I have made a little freeware to quickly draw 3D shapes so that you can easily drag'n drop them to illustrate your documents. It is named ShapeOnYou and is available on my web page http://ktd.club.fr/programmation/shapeonyou_en.php It can also generate animations, and is Linkback compliant, so that it is very handy with OmniGraffle 4. Regards, Pierre Chatelier From jpage at omnigroup.com Tue Jan 17 11:48:46 2006 From: jpage at omnigroup.com (Joel Page) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:55 2007 Subject: ShapeOnYou In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8DCF85A0-578F-495F-99C9-17B799E80CE7@omnigroup.com> This is the seriously coolest thing I have seen in some time. Kudos, Pierre! Joel On Jan 17, 2006, at 12:18 AM, Pierre Chatelier wrote: > Hello, > > In case anyone is interested, I have made a little freeware to > quickly draw 3D shapes so that you can easily drag'n drop them to > illustrate your documents. It is named ShapeOnYou and is available > on my web page http://ktd.club.fr/programmation/shapeonyou_en.php > It can also generate animations, and is Linkback compliant, so that > it is very handy with OmniGraffle 4. > > Regards, > Pierre Chatelier > _______________________________________________ > OmniGraffle-Users mailing list > OmniGraffle-Users@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnigraffle-users From pierre.chatelier at club-internet.fr Tue Jan 17 12:14:51 2006 From: pierre.chatelier at club-internet.fr (Pierre Chatelier) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:55 2007 Subject: ShapeOnYou In-Reply-To: <8DCF85A0-578F-495F-99C9-17B799E80CE7@omnigroup.com> References: <8DCF85A0-578F-495F-99C9-17B799E80CE7@omnigroup.com> Message-ID: <2612BB3D-554A-4399-A23D-0E426F50A879@club-internet.fr> > This is the seriously coolest thing I have seen in some time. > Kudos, Pierre! Thanks ! Now I am just waiting for bug reports and improvement proposals. At least it would mean there are some users ;-) Regards, Pierre Chatelier From footpath at citcom.net Tue Jan 17 12:42:18 2006 From: footpath at citcom.net (Stephen M Rapp) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:55 2007 Subject: Decision Trees Message-ID: <2FF65B38-2748-4E22-A1ED-61ECDC385DF6@citcom.net> Curious as to what a decision tree is.. From thomaswaters at mac.com Tue Jan 17 13:06:27 2006 From: thomaswaters at mac.com (Thomas Waters) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:55 2007 Subject: Decision Trees In-Reply-To: <2FF65B38-2748-4E22-A1ED-61ECDC385DF6@citcom.net> References: <2FF65B38-2748-4E22-A1ED-61ECDC385DF6@citcom.net> Message-ID: Here are some examples http://www.aaai.org/AITopics/html/trees.html http://www.palisade.com/precisiontree/default.asp On Jan 17, 2006, at 3:42 PM, Stephen M Rapp wrote: > Curious as to what a decision tree is.. > _______________________________________________ > OmniGraffle-Users mailing list > OmniGraffle-Users@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnigraffle-users From cassiope at wanadoo.nl Tue Jan 17 13:34:19 2006 From: cassiope at wanadoo.nl (Robert P. Tito) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:55 2007 Subject: Decision Trees In-Reply-To: References: <2FF65B38-2748-4E22-A1ED-61ECDC385DF6@citcom.net> Message-ID: <7439B8D2-1D5F-430C-B8E6-91353285BC27@wanadoo.nl> What you call decisiontrees (in the colorfull way depicted in your example can be obtained by the use of the standard flowchart diagrams, added with some extra graphics. If you want to add actions to the branches you actually are referring more to UML-programs like MagicDraw made by No Magic Inc. If you only need the branches without the actions Graffle will suffice, else I would suggest NovaMind. HTH On 17 - Jan - 2006, at 22:06 , Thomas Waters wrote: > Here are some examples > > http://www.aaai.org/AITopics/html/trees.html > > http://www.palisade.com/precisiontree/default.asp > On Jan 17, 2006, at 3:42 PM, Stephen M Rapp wrote: > >> Curious as to what a decision tree is.. >> _______________________________________________ >> OmniGraffle-Users mailing list >> OmniGraffle-Users@omnigroup.com >> http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnigraffle-users > > _______________________________________________ > OmniGraffle-Users mailing list > OmniGraffle-Users@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnigraffle-users > From listera at rcn.com Tue Jan 17 13:42:51 2006 From: listera at rcn.com (Listera) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:55 2007 Subject: Decision Trees In-Reply-To: <7439B8D2-1D5F-430C-B8E6-91353285BC27@wanadoo.nl> Message-ID: Robert P. Tito: > else I would suggest NovaMind Second that. It crashes occasionally. Has no object alignment. Imprecise snap guides. Some peculiar layout behavior. Etc. But for branch actions it rocks. ---- Ziya From davidbo at kth.se Tue Jan 17 13:54:46 2006 From: davidbo at kth.se (david) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:55 2007 Subject: Graph? Message-ID: This might be a really stupid question...With that said, how do I easily draw a symmetric graph where both axes are of the same length and they are connected at origo. Something like: ^ | | * | * | * +-----> If I draw one line and the duplicate and rotate it I can't connect it to the original line. If I first draw one line and then another line that is connected to the first line all the fields in the geometry inspectors are disabled/inactive. This is driving me nuts:-( I use OmniGraffle 3.1.2 -- A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail? http://www.livejournal.com/~dagens_fel/ From larkost at softhome.net Tue Jan 17 14:41:06 2006 From: larkost at softhome.net (Karl J. Kuehn) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:55 2007 Subject: Graph? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Jan 17, 2006, at 4:54 PM, david wrote: > This might be a really stupid question...With that said, how do I > easily draw a symmetric graph where both axes are of the same > length and they are connected at origo. Something like: > > > ^ > | > | * > | * > | * > +-----> > > If I draw one line and the duplicate and rotate it I can't connect > it to the original line. If I first draw one line and then another > line that is connected to the first line all the fields in the > geometry inspectors are disabled/inactive. If you turn snap-to-grid on, then you can line up the vertex end points together (and keep the others in line). Then you can turn that off, use the geometry inspector to make each line the same length (reposition them if they get out of wack... in OG 4 the alignment guides help for lines, I don't have OG 3 on my system to try that), and then, as a last step, join the vertex together (that won't alter the other end points. Or you can group the two lines, then work with them as a shape. I do agree that you should be able edit the lengths of the lines if both endpoints are not connected to something. Karl Kuehn larkost@vet.upenn.edu From tshey at mac.com Tue Jan 17 15:28:19 2006 From: tshey at mac.com (Timothy Shey) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:55 2007 Subject: newbie question In-Reply-To: <4D3ADC3E-9197-4570-819F-4DBD49778497@mac.com> References: <4D3ADC3E-9197-4570-819F-4DBD49778497@mac.com> Message-ID: <20895E55-BB09-44DA-9F21-D7AD7A5E50AC@mac.com> Never mind, all -- figured it out. I had not removed all the images -- I had duped a box that had a hidden image embedded outside of it multiple times. Had to figure it out through painful process of elimination, but it was totally a... user error. On Jan 17, 2006, at 5:55 PM, Timothy Shey wrote: > I've actually been using Omnigraffle for a while, but just upgraded > to Omnigraffle Pro 4.1. For some reason, a relatively simple > website layout diagram I did is exporting to PDF at over 14 MB. > Can't think what could be causing it-- I've turned off gradients, > removed images, etc., but none of those have had any effect on file > size -- the resulting PDF (and also Visio XML exports) is still > the same size. Anyone know any common causes of this I could look > for? > From davidbo at kth.se Tue Jan 17 16:14:00 2006 From: davidbo at kth.se (david) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:55 2007 Subject: Curves Message-ID: I need to draw graphs like but neither the arc-shape or the bezier-tool seems to let me draw _symmetric_ curves with an angle less than 90? (actually ?/2). I am sure this can be accomplished, I guess I just need some hints in the right direction:-) -- A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail? http://www.livejournal.com/~dagens_fel/ From ahern at ornl.gov Tue Jan 17 17:39:20 2006 From: ahern at ornl.gov (Sean Ahern) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:55 2007 Subject: OT: posting (Was: Re: Curves) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20060118013920.GA8839@Daneel.local> david wrote: > A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. > Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? > A: Top-posting. > Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail? Q: What's another really annoying thing in e-mail? A: Writing all responses, no matter how long, at the bottom. Q: Why can bottom-posting be an annoying thing? A: Because it can take forever to simply find the quick answer you were looking for in the first place if the thread is long. -Sean __ Sean Ahern ahern@ornl.gov From fcorbett at comcast.net Tue Jan 17 17:48:24 2006 From: fcorbett at comcast.net (Forrest Corbett) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:55 2007 Subject: OT: posting (Was: Re: Curves) In-Reply-To: <20060118013920.GA8839@Daneel.local> References: <20060118013920.GA8839@Daneel.local> Message-ID: <43E5FB54-A958-4587-A13C-B24D9F07D2EF@comcast.net> I normally top-post because I don't like to scroll for an hour to get to the message. Email has quoting levels, and that's what should be used to show the hierarchy. If someone wants background to a message, they can scroll down. On a list such as this, chances are they've already read the background. That said, the admins on this list bottom-post. Most people on this list are also really good at replying to specific comments and not whole messages. That negates the scrolling issues. So, on this list, I bottom-post. What bugs me more than posting styles is when people reply to a message then completely change a subject and body to make a new and unrelated message. Thus making the new message part of the same thread. Mail.app can sort messages via threading, and doing the aforementioned messes up that whole sorting method. -Forrest From cassiope at wanadoo.nl Tue Jan 17 18:20:36 2006 From: cassiope at wanadoo.nl (Robert P. Tito) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:55 2007 Subject: OT: posting (Was: Re: Curves) In-Reply-To: <43E5FB54-A958-4587-A13C-B24D9F07D2EF@comcast.net> References: <20060118013920.GA8839@Daneel.local> <43E5FB54-A958-4587-A13C-B24D9F07D2EF@comcast.net> Message-ID: <831B3897-756A-4A5D-9090-0F26AB71145E@wanadoo.nl> it seems to me you just illustrated the same point On 18 - Jan - 2006, at 02:48 , Forrest Corbett wrote: > I normally top-post because I don't like to scroll for an hour to > get to the message. Email has quoting levels, and that's what > should be used to show the hierarchy. If someone wants background > to a message, they can scroll down. On a list such as this, chances > are they've already read the background. > > That said, the admins on this list bottom-post. Most people on this > list are also really good at replying to specific comments and not > whole messages. That negates the scrolling issues. So, on this > list, I bottom-post. > > What bugs me more than posting styles is when people reply to a > message then completely change a subject and body to make a new and > unrelated message. Thus making the new message part of the same > thread. Mail.app can sort messages via threading, and doing the > aforementioned messes up that whole sorting method. > > -Forrest > _______________________________________________ > OmniGraffle-Users mailing list > OmniGraffle-Users@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnigraffle-users > From jtyzack at mac.com Wed Jan 18 05:29:52 2006 From: jtyzack at mac.com (Jonathan Tyzack) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:55 2007 Subject: ShapeOnYou In-Reply-To: <2612BB3D-554A-4399-A23D-0E426F50A879@club-internet.fr> References: <8DCF85A0-578F-495F-99C9-17B799E80CE7@omnigroup.com> <2612BB3D-554A-4399-A23D-0E426F50A879@club-internet.fr> Message-ID: <40550D6C-3414-4467-B990-B2CB15632327@mac.com> Hi, yes, this is a very nice bit of freeware. A bug report for you - on my British English system, the decimal point is being represented by a comma instead of a full stop (in other words, the application isn't using my language setting for the representation of numbers). Feature request - the ability to add shadows or reflections to give depth to e.g. the sphere especially. Cheers, Jonathan On 17 Jan 2006, at 20:14, Pierre Chatelier wrote: >> This is the seriously coolest thing I have seen in some time. >> Kudos, Pierre! > Thanks ! Now I am just waiting for bug reports and improvement > proposals. At least it would mean there are some users ;-) > > Regards, > > Pierre Chatelier > _______________________________________________ > OmniGraffle-Users mailing list > OmniGraffle-Users@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnigraffle-users ------------ Please visit The Land Gallery for British Fine Art inspired by nature and landscape: http://www.thelandgallery.com From paco at paco.to Wed Jan 18 06:11:05 2006 From: paco at paco.to (Paco Hope) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:55 2007 Subject: ShapeOnYou In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20060118084906.Q35910@www.provisio.net> On Tue, 17 Jan 2006, Pierre Chatelier wrote: > In case anyone is interested, I have made a little freeware to quickly draw > 3D shapes so that you can easily drag'n drop them to illustrate your > documents. Ok, this is really quite cool. I started it up and immediately found about 10 good uses for it in work I'm currently doing. I love programs like this that make my PC-using friends drool. :) Feature requests / bug reports: (1) Changing the faces color, however, changes all fills that I have done with the bucket tool. Say I have many segments and I use the bucket to fill a few. Then I change the faces color to change the color in all the other segments. It clobbers all my small fills. (2) When I try to set the edge width to "1.5pt" or "0.5pt" I get 15.00pt or 5.00pt instead. If I enter them as "1.50pt" or "0.50pt" it works correctly. (3) Get a mailing list for your tool, so we stop talking sending feature requests to the OmniGraffle list. I'll host it for you if you want. Regards, Paco From cgoedde at condor.depaul.edu Wed Jan 18 08:05:42 2006 From: cgoedde at condor.depaul.edu (Chris Goedde) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:55 2007 Subject: Curves In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Jan 17, 2006, at 6:14 PM, david wrote: > I need to draw graphs like > > but neither the arc-shape or the bezier-tool seems to let me draw > _symmetric_ curves with an angle less than 90? (actually ?/2). > > I am sure this can be accomplished, I guess I just need some hints in > the right direction:-) I don't think there is any simple way to do what (I believe) you want to do. OG's drawing tools still lack a lot of features. However, with a little persistence and knowledge, it's possible to create new shapes in OG. If you search the archives of this mailing list for "graffleshapes tutorial" you will find a message saying how to do it. As an example, I modified the existing quarter arc shape to make it more like the shape you are looking for. To use this shape in OG, copy everything between the "SNIP HERE" lines below and save them in a text file. It doesn't matter the name you give the file, but the extension MUST be .graffleshapes. I used "test.graffleshapes". Save the file in your home directory in the folder ~/Library/Application Support/OmniGraffle/Shapes (you may need to create this folder). Then, the next time you open OG, you should see a new shape next to the arc shape in the Shape Tool inspector. You can now use this shape just like any other shape. I based this shape on the existing arc shape, just changing the control points for the bezier curves. If you look at the shape definition, you see lines like: control1 = "{.052284, -0.4}"; control2 = "{.40, -.052284}"; These were originally control1 = "{.052284, -0.5}"; control2 = "{.50, -.052284}"; I just changed the .5 to .4. You can play around with these numbers to get different shapes. All you have to do is quit and restart OG after changing the .graffleshapes file to pick up the changes. You can add as many new shapes as you like. I would suggest duplicating the file for each new shape, and changing the InspectorGroup number and the ShapeName for each shape (the InspectorGroup number determines where the shape appears in the shape inspector). Note that OG is very, very particular about the format of these files, if you have one semicolon or parentheses out of place, it won't work, so I don't recommend changing anything except the numbers unless you really know what you are doing. Hope this helps. Chris Goedde ------SNIP HERE, DON'T INCLUDE THIS LINE----- { shapes = ( { InspectorGroup = 26.5; ShapeName = TestArc; FillPath = { elements = ( {element = MOVETO; point = "{-.5, 0.5}"; }, {element = LINETO; point = "{-.5, -0.5}"; }, { control1 = "{.052284, -0.4}"; control2 = "{.40, -.052284}"; element = CURVETO; point = "{.50, 0.5}"; }, {element = LINETO; point = "{-.50, 0.5}"; } ); }; StrokePath = { elements = ( {element = MOVETO; point = "{-.5, -0.5}"; }, { control1 = "{.052284, -0.4}"; control2 = "{.40, -.052284}"; element = CURVETO; point = "{.50, 0.5}"; } ); }; TextBounds = "{{0.1, .3}, {.8, .7}}"; } ); } ------SNIP HERE, DON'T INCLUDE THIS LINE----- From lists at teener.com Wed Jan 18 11:13:52 2006 From: lists at teener.com (Michael Johas Teener) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:55 2007 Subject: ShapeOnYou In-Reply-To: <20060118084906.Q35910@www.provisio.net> Message-ID: Very good ... But 3D objects really need a light source and shading to look completely cool (particularly when combined with the rather nice effects in OG) ... On Tue, 17 Jan 2006, Pierre Chatelier wrote: > In case anyone is interested, I have made a little freeware to quickly draw > 3D shapes so that you can easily drag'n drop them to illustrate your > documents. -- Michael D. Johas Teener ? mike@plumblinks.com ? www.plumblinks.com From matsakis at mit.edu Wed Jan 18 13:45:41 2006 From: matsakis at mit.edu (Nicholas Matsakis) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:55 2007 Subject: OT: posting In-Reply-To: <200601182000.k0IK0Gqd021519@slowbro.omnigroup.com> References: <200601182000.k0IK0Gqd021519@slowbro.omnigroup.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 18 Jan 2006, Sean Ahern wrote: > Q: Why > can > bottom-posting > be > an > annoying > thing? If you want to talk about scrolling, try reading the digest version of this list! If you have a thread with messages A, B, C, and D and everyone top posts (bottom quotes) what you see is: A B >A C >B >>A D >C >>B >>>A That's presuming that none of these members is a digest reader who happened to quote the entire digest (which I have seen happen)! What the digest really want to see is the following, with a little bit of context sprinkled in. A B C D Bottom posting (top quoting) is only annoying if an entire long message is quoted before a response. In practice people rarely do this, but they quite often drag around long chains of context at the bottom of the message which makes the threads more difficult to follow, list digests abominable, and top quoting more onerous (because you have to delete that big long tail to pick out the relevant context). Your complaint is a straw man. Nick Matsakis From ahern at ornl.gov Wed Jan 18 13:57:12 2006 From: ahern at ornl.gov (Sean Ahern) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:55 2007 Subject: OT: posting In-Reply-To: References: <200601182000.k0IK0Gqd021519@slowbro.omnigroup.com> Message-ID: <20060118215712.GC14857@Daneel.local> Nicholas Matsakis wrote: > A > B > >A > C > >B > >>A > D > >C > >>B > >>>A Well, in my experience, it's rare that people do "inline" responses when top-posting, but I agree that that looks even worse! > That's presuming that none of these members is a digest reader who > happened to quote the entire digest (which I have seen happen)! What the > digest really want to see is the following, with a little bit of context > sprinkled in. And that's the main point, that context really should be "sprinkled" rather than included wholesale. Including the entire context makes reading long threads annoying, no matter whether top-posting or bottom-posting is used. > Bottom posting (top quoting) is only annoying if an entire long message is > quoted before a response. In practice people rarely do this, Worse, I've seen cases where people will put a one-line response inline (bottom-posting) within thousands of lines of quoted text. Yes, it's rare, just as I hope top-posting to an entire quoted digest is. > but they quite often drag around long chains of context at the bottom > of the message which makes the threads more difficult to follow, list > digests abominable, and top quoting more onerous (because you have to > delete that big long tail to pick out the relevant context). Your > complaint is a straw man. It was meant mainly as satire, pointing out that neither technique is abominable and neither is a panacea. I actually prefer bottom-posting, personally. Honestly, I didn't expect the level of response that I've received, and didn't really intend to be drawn into a discussion of the merits of posting techniques. Some people found my response funny, others found it offensive. In actuality, I use both bottom-posting and top-posting (with my preference being bottom-posting, as I mentioned), depending on the context. Cheers! -Sean __ Sean Ahern ahern@ornl.gov From fcorbett at comcast.net Wed Jan 18 14:10:51 2006 From: fcorbett at comcast.net (Forrest Corbett) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:55 2007 Subject: OT: posting In-Reply-To: <20060118215712.GC14857@Daneel.local> References: <200601182000.k0IK0Gqd021519@slowbro.omnigroup.com> <20060118215712.GC14857@Daneel.local> Message-ID: On Jan 18, 2006, at 1:57 PM, Sean Ahern wrote: > Honestly, I didn't expect the level of response that I've received, > and > didn't really intend to be drawn into a discussion of the merits of > posting techniques. It's not uncommon that people post to this, or other Omni lists, with suggestions on how to properly post to it. Generally they are newcomers who haven't seen the last debate on the topic. Some of the others include: - Should "reply" send to the list or to the poster? - Should the subject be altered to denote the message as one from the OG list? - Should plain text or rich text be sent? I consider this Omni's house. If they take off their shoes inside, so do I. Since they tend to bottom-post, I do the same. Worse than top or bottom posting, is a mix where a whole thread is mixed together, partially top and partially bottom. -Forrest From eric.s.blair at gmail.com Wed Jan 18 15:35:27 2006 From: eric.s.blair at gmail.com (Eric Blair) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:55 2007 Subject: Decision trees In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8e00378f0601181535u138de446u2e89cbd5353a5424@mail.gmail.com> I did some really simply decision trees in OG a few months back by layout out the decision alternatives as outlines and letting OG autolayout everything. Then, I added labels and line endings as appropriate. --Eric On 1/16/06, david wrote: > What is the best software to draw decision trees on a Mac? Has anyone > tried Omnigraffle for this - are there any premade stencils for this > purpose? > From atmasphere at atmasphere.net Thu Jan 19 07:00:35 2006 From: atmasphere at atmasphere.net (Jonathan Greene) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:55 2007 Subject: Venn Diagram? Message-ID: I am trying to make a simple intersection with several circles... I can't figure out how to show the section where things cross over without losing the line. Is there a simple thing I am missing here or perhaps a trick? Thanks, JG From jtyzack at mac.com Thu Jan 19 07:07:04 2006 From: jtyzack at mac.com (Jonathan Tyzack) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:55 2007 Subject: Venn Diagram? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2D8B828A-A091-44AE-9FC5-65E7FA56E2D9@mac.com> You will have to remove the fill for the uppermost circle (or all circles, if you prefer). Alternatively, you could make the fill colour translucent. Cheers, Jonathan On 19 Jan 2006, at 15:00, Jonathan Greene wrote: > I am trying to make a simple intersection with several circles... I > can't figure out how to show the section where things cross over > without losing the line. Is there a simple thing I am missing here > or perhaps a trick? > > Thanks, > JG > _______________________________________________ > OmniGraffle-Users mailing list > OmniGraffle-Users@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnigraffle-users ------------ Please visit The Land Gallery for British Fine Art inspired by nature and landscape: http://www.thelandgallery.com From atmasphere at atmasphere.net Thu Jan 19 07:20:48 2006 From: atmasphere at atmasphere.net (Jonathan Greene) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:55 2007 Subject: Venn Diagram? In-Reply-To: <2D8B828A-A091-44AE-9FC5-65E7FA56E2D9@mac.com> References: <2D8B828A-A091-44AE-9FC5-65E7FA56E2D9@mac.com> Message-ID: <44708DD6-B10D-44D7-8BFC-BD59F114AF45@atmasphere.net> Perfect - thanks! On Jan 19, 2006, at 10:07 AM, Jonathan Tyzack wrote: > You will have to remove the fill for the uppermost circle (or all > circles, if you prefer). Alternatively, you could make the fill > colour translucent. > > Cheers, > > Jonathan > > On 19 Jan 2006, at 15:00, Jonathan Greene wrote: > >> I am trying to make a simple intersection with several circles... >> I can't figure out how to show the section where things cross over >> without losing the line. Is there a simple thing I am missing >> here or perhaps a trick? >> >> Thanks, >> JG >> _______________________________________________ >> OmniGraffle-Users mailing list >> OmniGraffle-Users@omnigroup.com >> http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnigraffle-users > > ------------ > > Please visit The Land Gallery for British Fine Art inspired by > nature and landscape: > > http://www.thelandgallery.com > From scott at ganyo.com Thu Jan 19 07:34:47 2006 From: scott at ganyo.com (Scott Ganyo) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:55 2007 Subject: Venn Diagram? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Skipped content of type multipart/mixed From listaccount at raggedcastle.com Thu Jan 19 07:47:42 2006 From: listaccount at raggedcastle.com (Andy J. W. Affleck) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:55 2007 Subject: Venn Diagram? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4EE61FFD-27F8-497E-B97D-338E339B9C02@raggedcastle.com> I did this recently and simply had all three circles have translucent fills. This allowed the intersections to have merged colors (where the yellow and blue circles overlapped, I had a green area, etc.) It looked great and tool virtually no time to create. -A On Jan 19, 2006, at 10:00 AM, Jonathan Greene wrote: > I am trying to make a simple intersection with several circles... I > can't figure out how to show the section where things cross over > without losing the line. Is there a simple thing I am missing here > or perhaps a trick? > > Thanks, > JG From conable.1 at osu.edu Thu Jan 19 09:19:25 2006 From: conable.1 at osu.edu (William Conable) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:55 2007 Subject: Defaults Message-ID: <10c452712a93a893a3a7b358c23d04ad@osu.edu> Is there a way to alter the O-G defaults, so that, for instance, text was styled to fit within a box and make the box expand whenever you do text in a box, without having to repeatedly set it that way? Or whatever. I don't like a lot of the OG defaults... Thanks, Bill Conable OSU School of Music From jtyzack at mac.com Thu Jan 19 12:00:35 2006 From: jtyzack at mac.com (Jonathan Tyzack) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:55 2007 Subject: Defaults In-Reply-To: <10c452712a93a893a3a7b358c23d04ad@osu.edu> References: <10c452712a93a893a3a7b358c23d04ad@osu.edu> Message-ID: <11E4EEC3-E6D5-4095-BC98-C507B0B238B9@mac.com> Hi Bill, for the layout of the document itself, create a new document and set it up the way you wish OmniGraffle to have its defaults (e.g. portrait or landscape, grid/no grid, snap to grid/don't snap to grid, ruler/no ruler, etc). Then save it as a template. Choose that template from the list in Preferences>Templates and it will be the style of document that opens whenever you choose File>New or create a new document using command-N. For the toolbar, option-click the tool which you want to alter the defaults for. Option-clicking it changes the tool to "inspect" mode (a little i badge will appear on it at lower left). You can then edit the parameters of the tool to what you want the default to be (e.g. for the shape tool you can then select the actual shape, its fill, its colour, its line-style, etc). You may want to duplicate the original style for that tool first by control clicking it and selecting duplicate tool. You can also use the duplication to create a set of different settings for all your tools. Cheers, Jonathan On 19 Jan 2006, at 17:19, William Conable wrote: > Is there a way to alter the O-G defaults, so that, for instance, > text was styled to fit within a box and make the box expand > whenever you do text in a box, without having to repeatedly set it > that way? Or whatever. I don't like a lot of the OG defaults... > > Thanks, > > Bill Conable > OSU School of Music > > _______________________________________________ > OmniGraffle-Users mailing list > OmniGraffle-Users@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnigraffle-users ------------ Please visit The Land Gallery for British Fine Art inspired by nature and landscape: http://www.thelandgallery.com From stephanie at metaweb.com Thu Jan 19 15:34:47 2006 From: stephanie at metaweb.com (Stephanie Hornung) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:55 2007 Subject: eyedropper-type tool? Message-ID: has anyone found a good way to approximate an eyedropper tool for copying colors? i assume i'm supposed to use the stamp tool, but that never seems to work right -- i.e., if you have shapes grouped. thanks for your help! stephanie From trevor at vocaro.com Thu Jan 19 15:58:33 2006 From: trevor at vocaro.com (Trevor Harmon) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:55 2007 Subject: eyedropper-type tool? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Jan 19, 2006, at 3:34 PM, Stephanie Hornung wrote: > has anyone found a good way to approximate an eyedropper tool for > copying colors? i assume i'm supposed to use the stamp tool, but > that never seems to work right -- i.e., if you have shapes grouped. The Mac OS X color picker has an eyedropper built-in. That is, when you click the Inspector button to choose a color, you can click the magnifying glass, then point at the color you want and click to select it. Trevor From greg at omnigroup.com Thu Jan 19 16:02:45 2006 From: greg at omnigroup.com (Greg Titus) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:55 2007 Subject: eyedropper-type tool? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Jan 19, 2006, at 3:58 PM, Trevor Harmon wrote: > On Jan 19, 2006, at 3:34 PM, Stephanie Hornung wrote: > >> has anyone found a good way to approximate an eyedropper tool for >> copying colors? i assume i'm supposed to use the stamp tool, but >> that never seems to work right -- i.e., if you have shapes grouped. > > The Mac OS X color picker has an eyedropper built-in. That is, when > you click the Inspector button to choose a color, you can click the > magnifying glass, then point at the color you want and click to > select it. Also, the "Summary" inspector will show you the fill and stroke colors for the selected object. You can drag the little color chit from the display in the inspector over any other object to color it the same way. Hope this helps, - Greg From jtyzack at mac.com Thu Jan 19 16:03:33 2006 From: jtyzack at mac.com (Jonathan Tyzack) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:55 2007 Subject: eyedropper-type tool? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1F65CB1F-AB75-480C-9676-251A012D1F01@mac.com> In addition, once you have selected an onscreen colour using the Colour palette's magnifying glass, drag it from the colour well at the top of the picker to the grid at the bottom to add it as a permanent choice. Cheers, Jonathan On 19 Jan 2006, at 23:58, Trevor Harmon wrote: > On Jan 19, 2006, at 3:34 PM, Stephanie Hornung wrote: > >> has anyone found a good way to approximate an eyedropper tool for >> copying colors? i assume i'm supposed to use the stamp tool, but >> that never seems to work right -- i.e., if you have shapes grouped. > > The Mac OS X color picker has an eyedropper built-in. That is, when > you click the Inspector button to choose a color, you can click the > magnifying glass, then point at the color you want and click to > select it. > > Trevor > > _______________________________________________ > OmniGraffle-Users mailing list > OmniGraffle-Users@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnigraffle-users ------------ Please visit The Land Gallery for British Fine Art inspired by nature and landscape: http://www.thelandgallery.com From stephanie at metaweb.com Thu Jan 19 16:23:44 2006 From: stephanie at metaweb.com (Stephanie Hornung) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:55 2007 Subject: eyedropper-type tool? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Jan 19, 2006, at 4:02 PM, Greg Titus wrote: > > On Jan 19, 2006, at 3:58 PM, Trevor Harmon wrote: > >> On Jan 19, 2006, at 3:34 PM, Stephanie Hornung wrote: >> >>> has anyone found a good way to approximate an eyedropper tool for >>> copying colors? i assume i'm supposed to use the stamp tool, but >>> that never seems to work right -- i.e., if you have shapes grouped. >> >> The Mac OS X color picker has an eyedropper built-in. That is, >> when you click the Inspector button to choose a color, you can >> click the magnifying glass, then point at the color you want and >> click to select it. > > Also, the "Summary" inspector will show you the fill and stroke > colors for the selected object. You can drag the little color chit > from the display in the inspector over any other object to color it > the same way. > > Hope this helps, > - Greg wow thanks! i never realized the magnifying glass was like an eyedropper! From jpage at omnigroup.com Thu Jan 19 19:39:58 2006 From: jpage at omnigroup.com (Joel Page) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:55 2007 Subject: Announcing OmniGraffle 4.1.1 release candidate 1 (including Pro) Message-ID: Hi all- We've just released Graffle 4.1.1 rc1, which is a small point release fixing a couple of reproducible crashers and some minor bug fixes. The changes: Crashers ? Fixed a reproduclble crash that occurred when the font Courier was not activated or missing. ? Addressed a crash when opening certain Visio XML documents. Bug Fixes ? Fixed some pattern fill problems in OmniGraffle Professional. ? Force directed layout should be more evenly spaced now. ? Fixed a bug where certain special characters would not render in outline view. ? The Keyboard Shortcuts document is now read-only. OmniGraffle 4.1.1 rc1 and OmniGraffle Professional 4.1.1 rc1 can be found at our beta page . Enjoy! Joel Page Product Manager, OmniGraffle The Omni Group From richardsona at mac.com Fri Jan 20 01:21:45 2006 From: richardsona at mac.com (Adam Richardson) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:55 2007 Subject: eyedropper-type tool? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <15910052.1137748905098.JavaMail.richardsona@mac.com> The color palette can do a lot of hidden stuff in OS X - there's a good article on it in the current Macworld, probably available online also. Not sure if by "stamp" you really meant stamp or brush. The stamp just reproduces things, whereas the brush acts like a sophisticated eyedropper. I believe it's not on by default and I think it's also not available in the customize toolbar dialog for some weird reason. You have to get it by going into OG preferences, selecting the toolbar tab, and manually turn on Style Brush. Then it will either appear in your toolbar or you'll have to add it with customize toolbar (don't remember). Clicking and holding on the brush icon in the toolbar will allow you to choose what attributes it picks up. Option-clicking with the brush on an object picks up the chosen attributes, clicking on other objects will apply them. Once you get it loaded, the brush is by far the quickest way to apply attributes from one object to another. It also works with groups (it will "jump in to the group" to let you subselect either to pick up or apply attributes) then jump out when you're done. You'll notice the tips of the bristles change color depending on what you've picked. Hope this helps, Adam On Thursday, January 19, 2006, at 04:25PM, Stephanie Hornung wrote: > >On Jan 19, 2006, at 4:02 PM, Greg Titus wrote: > >> >> On Jan 19, 2006, at 3:58 PM, Trevor Harmon wrote: >> >>> On Jan 19, 2006, at 3:34 PM, Stephanie Hornung wrote: >>> >>>> has anyone found a good way to approximate an eyedropper tool for >>>> copying colors? i assume i'm supposed to use the stamp tool, but >>>> that never seems to work right -- i.e., if you have shapes grouped. >>> >>> The Mac OS X color picker has an eyedropper built-in. That is, >>> when you click the Inspector button to choose a color, you can >>> click the magnifying glass, then point at the color you want and >>> click to select it. >> >> Also, the "Summary" inspector will show you the fill and stroke >> colors for the selected object. You can drag the little color chit >> from the display in the inspector over any other object to color it >> the same way. >> >> Hope this helps, >> - Greg > > >wow thanks! i never realized the magnifying glass was like an >eyedropper! > > > >_______________________________________________ >OmniGraffle-Users mailing list >OmniGraffle-Users@omnigroup.com >http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnigraffle-users > > From tshey at mac.com Tue Jan 17 14:55:50 2006 From: tshey at mac.com (Timothy Shey) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:55 2007 Subject: newbie question Message-ID: <4D3ADC3E-9197-4570-819F-4DBD49778497@mac.com> I've actually been using Omnigraffle for a while, but just upgraded to Omnigraffle Pro 4.1. For some reason, a relatively simple website layout diagram I did is exporting to PDF at over 14 MB. Can't think what could be causing it-- I've turned off gradients, removed images, etc., but none of those have had any effect on file size -- the resulting PDF (and also Visio XML exports) is still the same size. Anyone know any common causes of this I could look for? From graffle at mettre.de Sat Jan 21 02:21:41 2006 From: graffle at mettre.de (Ortwin Zillgen) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:55 2007 Subject: newbie question In-Reply-To: <4D3ADC3E-9197-4570-819F-4DBD49778497@mac.com> References: <4D3ADC3E-9197-4570-819F-4DBD49778497@mac.com> Message-ID: <1ADD010E-15AA-466B-9D02-27414293BE5A@mettre.de> Am 17.01.2006 um 23:55 schrieb Timothy Shey: > I've actually been using Omnigraffle for a while, but just upgraded =20= > to Omnigraffle Pro 4.1. For some reason, a relatively simple =20 > website layout diagram I did is exporting to PDF at over 14 MB. =20 > Can't think what could be causing it-- I've turned off gradients, =20 > removed images, etc., but none of those have had any effect on file =20= > size -- the resulting PDF (and also Visio XML exports) is still =20 > the same size. Anyone know any common causes of this I could look =20 > for? the PDF-export and Print to PDF don't compress BitMaps. Most of the time I print to PDF with one extra option under Colorsync =20= which is "reduce file size", standard since Panther. If you want something special start ColorSync and create a filter of =20 your own. Regards Ortwin Zillgen =B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0= =B0 Stadt Land Flu=A7 * Geographic Informationsystems ceterum censeo: get that reply thing fixed - soon! From conable.1 at osu.edu Sat Jan 21 05:29:50 2006 From: conable.1 at osu.edu (William Conable) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:55 2007 Subject: Selection and layers Message-ID: <7d7e4cf8050e68a07edfc9c845d44bac@osu.edu> Most programs with layers or stacked objects let you select objects under other objects with a command-click or some such. OG doesn't seem to do this; I have to send things to the back or hide layers in order to select anything but the top-most object. Inefficient. Is there something I'm missing? Thanks, Bill Conable OSU School of Music OGPro 4.1 From jtyzack at mac.com Sat Jan 21 08:12:33 2006 From: jtyzack at mac.com (Jonathan Tyzack) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:55 2007 Subject: Selection and layers In-Reply-To: <7d7e4cf8050e68a07edfc9c845d44bac@osu.edu> References: <7d7e4cf8050e68a07edfc9c845d44bac@osu.edu> Message-ID: <9748F411-6423-4B02-8840-DE56386A8D39@mac.com> Hi Bill, there are a few different ways of selecting things in OmniGraffle 4.1: 1. Use the Canvas>Selection Inspector (activate by pressing command-0) and pick the object(s) you wish to select. This is the easiest way to get to the exact grouping of objects you want. Note, if your object is part of a group, the first click will select the group, subsequent clicks of an object in that group will select just the object (with a highlight indicating it belongs to a group). You may need more than two clicks to highlight the target if you have grouped two or more groups of objects. 2. Show the Canvasses drawer and show the layers for the canvas. Control-click the layer you want to select the objects on and choose "Select All in Layer"; or click the Layer menu in the toolbar, select the appropriate layer and do the same. 3. You can try to use mouseless editing to highlight the object you want (command-arrow keys to move the highlight around the objects on the canvas). 4. If it is the text box of an object that you want to select, pressing tab or shift-tab will jump between all the available text boxes on the canvas 5. If you have multiple objects that share the same characteristics, you can also use Edit>Select>Similar Objects to highlight them all. Cheers, Jonathan On 21 Jan 2006, at 13:29, William Conable wrote: > Most programs with layers or stacked objects let you select objects > under other objects with a command-click or some such. OG doesn't > seem to do this; I have to send things to the back or hide layers > in order to select anything but the top-most object. Inefficient. > Is there something I'm missing? > > Thanks, > > Bill Conable > OSU School of Music > OGPro 4.1 > > _______________________________________________ > OmniGraffle-Users mailing list > OmniGraffle-Users@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnigraffle-users ------------ Please visit The Land Gallery for British Fine Art inspired by nature and landscape: http://www.thelandgallery.com From gdaigle at onvoymail.com Mon Jan 23 15:02:06 2006 From: gdaigle at onvoymail.com (Greg Daigle) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:55 2007 Subject: ShapeOnYou Message-ID: Pierre, This is a very useful tool. One question. When I drag an image to OG4 ... then doubleclick and Linkback update ... the updated image in OG4 will be distorted if the bounding rectangle is not the same dimensions as in the original image. Is there a way to drag a larger bounding rectange? Or is this an issue with OG4? Thanks, Greg Daigle On Jan 17, 2006, at 2:18 AM, Pierre Chatelier wrote: > Hello, > > In case anyone is interested, I have made a little freeware to > quickly draw 3D shapes so that you can easily drag'n drop them to > illustrate your documents. It is named ShapeOnYou and is available > on my web page http://ktd.club.fr/programmation/shapeonyou_en.php > It can also generate animations, and is Linkback compliant, so that > it is very handy with OmniGraffle 4. > > Regards, > Pierre Chatelier > _______________________________________________ > OmniGraffle-Users mailing list > OmniGraffle-Users@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnigraffle-users > > From pierre.chatelier at club-internet.fr Tue Jan 24 01:21:42 2006 From: pierre.chatelier at club-internet.fr (Pierre Chatelier) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:55 2007 Subject: Is it possible to resize an image through a LinkBack link ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello, I had this report about ShapeOnYou : > When I drag an image to OG4 ... then doubleclick and Linkback > update ... the updated image in OG4 will be distorted if the > bounding rectangle is not the same dimensions as in the original > image. This is a problem, perhaps it can be solved on the OmniGraffle's size. Indeed, the images exported from ShapeOnYou do not always have the same bounding box. This is a problem with linked-back images, since once dropped in OmniGraffle, an image is assigned its original size. Thus, further refresh occur within this box, but the box is not reshaped according to the new size. I see only three solutions: -either I do nothing and let the user resize the image in OmniGraffle until it does not look distorted any more -either I fix ShapeOnYou to always use the same bounding box (let's say the window size); -or there is a mean to tell Omnigraffle, through the LinkBack pasteboard, how to reshape an image with a new size; I would prefer the last solution; is it possible to do that ? Regards, Pierre Chatelier From trevor at vocaro.com Tue Jan 24 11:08:04 2006 From: trevor at vocaro.com (Trevor Harmon) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:55 2007 Subject: Small Process.graffle Message-ID: Anybody know where I can get a copy of the "Small Process.graffle" document? It's the one shown in this screen shot: http://www.omnigroup.com/applications/omnigraffle/ It doesn't seem to be available at OmniGroup's website. I even looked inside the OmniGraffle Pro 4.1 bundle, and it wasn't there. Trevor From ahern at ornl.gov Tue Jan 24 17:35:49 2006 From: ahern at ornl.gov (Sean Ahern) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:55 2007 Subject: Units Message-ID: I'm trying to compare the sizes of two objects. It's a bit annoying, since their lengths are given as things like 11 45/57 and 3 3/8. Yes, I can do the easy math, but I'd rather not have to every time. Does anyone know of some preference setting (that I can't seem to find) that lets you have units displayed as decimals rather than rational fractions? Thanks, all! -Sean -- Sean Ahern Oak Ridge National Laboratory From trevor at vocaro.com Tue Jan 24 17:50:50 2006 From: trevor at vocaro.com (Trevor Harmon) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:55 2007 Subject: Units In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5474D60D-0C52-4683-AA42-5C03F5F17D34@vocaro.com> On Jan 24, 2006, at 5:35 PM, Sean Ahern wrote: > Does anyone know of some preference setting (that I can't seem to > find) that lets you have units displayed as decimals rather than > rational fractions? Command+R to show the ruler, then select Decimal Inches. Trevor From greg at omnigroup.com Tue Jan 24 18:05:10 2006 From: greg at omnigroup.com (Greg Titus) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:55 2007 Subject: Units In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0206384B-ACBD-481D-9C54-B8BD8839E5D4@omnigroup.com> Hi Sean, Hit command-R to bring up the ruler. There is a popup there that lets you change the units. "Decimal inches" will do what you want, or you could just switch to pixels or something like that. Hope this helps, - Greg On Jan 24, 2006, at 5:35 PM, Sean Ahern wrote: > I'm trying to compare the sizes of two objects. It's a bit > annoying, since their lengths are given as things like 11 45/57 and > 3 3/8. Yes, I can do the easy math, but I'd rather not have to > every time. > > Does anyone know of some preference setting (that I can't seem to > find) that lets you have units displayed as decimals rather than > rational fractions? > > Thanks, all! > > -Sean > > -- > Sean Ahern > Oak Ridge National Laboratory > > > _______________________________________________ > OmniGraffle-Users mailing list > OmniGraffle-Users@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnigraffle-users From jtyzack at mac.com Tue Jan 24 18:13:49 2006 From: jtyzack at mac.com (Jonathan Tyzack) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:55 2007 Subject: Small Process.graffle In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <89AE34FD-7DF1-4BFE-B9A2-D7D760860F83@mac.com> I assume it is one they created temporarily for the front page. It is very easy to replicate using the built-in tools of OmniGraffle 4 Pro. The only shapes not available in the default shapes palette are the two interlocking shapes on the second row of the image ("Calibrate Framistan" and "Shellack Xenon Wafers"). Those you can create by uniting and subtracting a rounded rectangle and a circle. Cheers, Jonathan On 24 Jan 2006, at 19:08, Trevor Harmon wrote: > Anybody know where I can get a copy of the "Small Process.graffle" > document? It's the one shown in this screen shot: > > http://www.omnigroup.com/applications/omnigraffle/ > > It doesn't seem to be available at OmniGroup's website. I even > looked inside the OmniGraffle Pro 4.1 bundle, and it wasn't there. > > Trevor > > _______________________________________________ > OmniGraffle-Users mailing list > OmniGraffle-Users@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnigraffle-users ------------ Please visit The Land Gallery for British Fine Art inspired by nature and landscape: http://www.thelandgallery.com From zujie at mac.com Tue Jan 24 22:34:05 2006 From: zujie at mac.com (zujie@mac.com) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:55 2007 Subject: Decision trees Message-ID: OmniGraffle can be easily used for many kind of trees and maps (mind maps, concept maps...) A good place to start is to open the 'utilities' drawer and enter your draft tree using the outline mode with 'Auto lay out' and 'Auto restyle' on; then correct/ refine/ complete/ re-arrange the graph. I like the various 'brainstorming' styles (choice at the bottom of the drawer) for quickly drafting trees and maps. Using the mindmap stencil to complete a brainstorming/ line diagram style is for instance an easy and nice solution. The advantages of OmniGraffle for this kind of job are in my opinion: - Ability to completely customize the final graph or tree - while specialized tree or mindmapping software would be quite rigid about it. - Ability to have customized and sophisticated graphics - much more than specialized software. Hope that helps. -- Eric On 17 janv. 06, at 21:00, omnigraffle-users-request@omnigroup.com wrote: From: david Date: 17 janvier 2006 00:11:58 HNEC To: omnigraffle-users@omnigroup.com Subject: Decision trees What is the best software to draw decision trees on a Mac? Has anyone tried Omnigraffle for this - are there any premade stencils for this purpose? Thanks From jpage at omnigroup.com Wed Jan 25 16:05:50 2006 From: jpage at omnigroup.com (Joel Page) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:55 2007 Subject: Small Process.graffle In-Reply-To: <89AE34FD-7DF1-4BFE-B9A2-D7D760860F83@mac.com> References: <89AE34FD-7DF1-4BFE-B9A2-D7D760860F83@mac.com> Message-ID: <4ACD683F-EC8B-4D7A-A397-10956AD9DBEC@omnigroup.com> Just so everyone's aware, we've just updated the Extras page with the new sample documents (which has the "Very Important Process") along with some walkthroughs as well. The "Very Important Process" diagram has shown to be extremely popular indeed. Joel On Jan 24, 2006, at 6:13 PM, Jonathan Tyzack wrote: > I assume it is one they created temporarily for the front page. It > is very easy to replicate using the built-in tools of OmniGraffle 4 > Pro. The only shapes not available in the default shapes palette > are the two interlocking shapes on the second row of the image > ("Calibrate Framistan" and "Shellack Xenon Wafers"). Those you can > create by uniting and subtracting a rounded rectangle and a circle. > > Cheers, > > Jonathan > > On 24 Jan 2006, at 19:08, Trevor Harmon wrote: > >> Anybody know where I can get a copy of the "Small Process.graffle" >> document? It's the one shown in this screen shot: >> >> http://www.omnigroup.com/applications/omnigraffle/ >> >> It doesn't seem to be available at OmniGroup's website. I even >> looked inside the OmniGraffle Pro 4.1 bundle, and it wasn't there. >> >> Trevor >> >> _______________________________________________ >> OmniGraffle-Users mailing list >> OmniGraffle-Users@omnigroup.com >> http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnigraffle-users > > ------------ > > Please visit The Land Gallery for British Fine Art inspired by > nature and landscape: > > http://www.thelandgallery.com > > _______________________________________________ > OmniGraffle-Users mailing list > OmniGraffle-Users@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnigraffle-users From jpage at omnigroup.com Wed Jan 25 16:08:46 2006 From: jpage at omnigroup.com (Joel Page) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:55 2007 Subject: Announcing OmniGraffle 4.1.1 (including Pro) Message-ID: Hi again, No changes from the release candidate last week, but for those who missed it: Crashers ? Fixed a reproduclble crash that occurred when the font Courier was not activated or missing. ? Addressed a crash when opening certain Visio XML documents. Bug Fixes ? Fixed some pattern fill problems in OmniGraffle Professional. ? Force directed layout should be more evenly spaced now. ? Fixed a bug where certain special characters would not render in outline view. ? The Keyboard Shortcuts document is now read-only. Available from the Download Page . Cheers, Joel Page Product Manager, OmniGraffle The Omni Group From jpage at omnigroup.com Wed Jan 25 16:21:54 2006 From: jpage at omnigroup.com (Joel Page) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:55 2007 Subject: Is it possible to resize an image through a LinkBack link ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: What's going on here is that by default pasted images are set to "stretched" in the Image Inspector, so when the LinkBack info is changed, the new imagery stretches to fit inside the bounding box. Change the setting to "Natural Size", and then after changes are made, you can right-click on the pasted image and from the Size submenu, "Size to fit image". Joel On Jan 24, 2006, at 1:21 AM, Pierre Chatelier wrote: > Hello, > > I had this report about ShapeOnYou : >> When I drag an image to OG4 ... then doubleclick and Linkback >> update ... the updated image in OG4 will be distorted if the >> bounding rectangle is not the same dimensions as in the original >> image. > > This is a problem, perhaps it can be solved on the OmniGraffle's size. > > Indeed, the images exported from ShapeOnYou do not always have the > same bounding box. This is a problem with linked-back images, since > once dropped in OmniGraffle, an image is assigned its original > size. Thus, further refresh occur within this box, but the box is > not reshaped according to the new size. > > I see only three solutions: > -either I do nothing and let the user resize the image in > OmniGraffle until it does not look distorted any more > -either I fix ShapeOnYou to always use the same bounding box (let's > say the window size); > -or there is a mean to tell Omnigraffle, through the LinkBack > pasteboard, how to reshape an image with a new size; > > I would prefer the last solution; is it possible to do that ? > > Regards, > > Pierre Chatelier > _______________________________________________ > OmniGraffle-Users mailing list > OmniGraffle-Users@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnigraffle-users From trevor at vocaro.com Wed Jan 25 19:06:28 2006 From: trevor at vocaro.com (Trevor Harmon) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:55 2007 Subject: Small Process.graffle In-Reply-To: <4ACD683F-EC8B-4D7A-A397-10956AD9DBEC@omnigroup.com> References: <89AE34FD-7DF1-4BFE-B9A2-D7D760860F83@mac.com> <4ACD683F-EC8B-4D7A-A397-10956AD9DBEC@omnigroup.com> Message-ID: On Jan 25, 2006, at 4:05 PM, Joel Page wrote: > Just so everyone's aware, we've just updated the Extras page > with > the new sample documents (which has the "Very Important Process") > along with some walkthroughs as well. > > The "Very Important Process" diagram has shown to be extremely > popular indeed. That's very cool; thanks! The walkthroughs were especially nice. I learned more from them than I ever did browsing the online help. The walkthroughs had me thinking about screencasts. Has OmniGroup ever considered doing some? They're pretty popular in the TextMate community. I'm sure Omni* users would appreciate them, too. By the way, what exactly is the purpose of "Eiko's Ring"? Trevor From alan.schmitt at polytechnique.org Thu Jan 26 00:21:31 2006 From: alan.schmitt at polytechnique.org (Alan Schmitt) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:55 2007 Subject: Is it possible to resize an image through a LinkBack link ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7E5174A2-BE6A-4EF9-B952-7A9252DA38BA@polytechnique.org> On 26 janv. 06, at 01:21, Joel Page wrote: > What's going on here is that by default pasted images are set to > "stretched" in the Image Inspector, so when the LinkBack info is > changed, the new imagery stretches to fit inside the bounding box. > > Change the setting to "Natural Size", and then after changes are > made, you can right-click on the pasted image and from the Size > submenu, "Size to fit image". Is there a way to have images always "Natural Size" by default? I input quite a bit of LaTeX using LaTeX IT in my OG documents, and each time I edit the TeX I need to remember to set the image to "Natural Size". Thanks, Alan -- Alan Schmitt The hacker: someone who figured things out and made something cool happen. .O. ..O OOO From donmontalvo at mac.com Thu Jan 26 05:09:40 2006 From: donmontalvo at mac.com (Don Montalvo) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:55 2007 Subject: new 4.1.1 and font in-dependancies Message-ID: thanks for lifting the courier font dependancy! this is a HUGE step in the right direction with respect to graphics environments where we need tight control of fonts. just curious...did the font get embedded? thanks, don -- don montalvo curmudgeon at large 917-559-5713 donmontalvo@mac.com http://donmontalvo.com From magnus.gunnarsson at ling.gu.se Thu Jan 26 06:18:59 2006 From: magnus.gunnarsson at ling.gu.se (Magnus Gunnarsson) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:55 2007 Subject: Braces Message-ID: I do not find any braces {} in OmniGraffle, and I figure I must be doing something wrong. I have found the 'square brackets' [] among the standard shapes, but no curly ones. Are there not any curly bracket shapes? I use OmniGraffle 4.1.1. Sorry if I picked the wrong forum for my question, but if so, perhaps you can point me to a better one? /MagnusG! From ahern at ornl.gov Thu Jan 26 07:33:15 2006 From: ahern at ornl.gov (Sean Ahern) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:55 2007 Subject: Units In-Reply-To: <5474D60D-0C52-4683-AA42-5C03F5F17D34@vocaro.com> References: <5474D60D-0C52-4683-AA42-5C03F5F17D34@vocaro.com> Message-ID: On Jan 24, 2006, at 8:50 PM, Trevor Harmon wrote: >> Does anyone know of some preference setting (that I can't seem to >> find) that lets you have units displayed as decimals rather than >> rational fractions? > > Command+R to show the ruler, then select Decimal Inches. Thanks to everyone for the help! -Sean -- Sean Ahern Oak Ridge National Laboratory From ahern at ornl.gov Thu Jan 26 08:25:26 2006 From: ahern at ornl.gov (Sean Ahern) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:55 2007 Subject: Organizing Shapes and Palettes Message-ID: <08C69F44-7A5C-4998-8368-B5A58B0123F1@ornl.gov> Is there any way to give my stencil menu a better organization? Over time, I've collected a large set of stencils and other customizations. That stencil menu is starting to get a bit cluttered and unwieldy and I'm looking for a way to clean it up. I've gone into my ~/Library/Application Support/OmniGraffle/Stencils directory and done some work. I've made subdirectories for categories and shuffled appropriate stencils around. It helps some. But this doesn't address the Palettes, nor does it address the stencils that are bundled into OmniGraffle itself. I suppose I could start mucking about inside that package "Contents/Resources/English", but that doesn't seem like the best solution, especially across upgrades. In addition, some of the Stencils really could use better names. As interesting as I think the items in "FiguresByThor" and "WireframeShapes" are, they really aren't very descriptive as to their purpose. What I'm looking for is a general "Add-ons Manager", similar to the bookmarks editor you find in Firefox or Safari, that would let me customize these add-ons as I like. Any thoughts? -Sean -- Sean Ahern Oak Ridge National Laboratory From conable.1 at osu.edu Thu Jan 26 08:45:35 2006 From: conable.1 at osu.edu (William Conable) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:55 2007 Subject: Feature request Message-ID: Hi, Would it be too difficult to add the capacity to crop graphics? I realize I can get the same effect by masking, but cropping sure would be convenient, and it would result in smaller documents because the cropped data would be gone, not just masked... Bill Conable OSU School of Music From cgoedde at condor.depaul.edu Thu Jan 26 09:31:05 2006 From: cgoedde at condor.depaul.edu (Chris Goedde) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:55 2007 Subject: Feature request In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Jan 26, 2006, at 10:45 AM, William Conable wrote: > Hi, > > Would it be too difficult to add the capacity to crop graphics? I > realize I can get the same effect by masking, but cropping sure would > be convenient, and it would result in smaller documents because the > cropped data would be gone, not just masked... I'm not sure if this does what you want, but in the export dialog, you have the option of exporting only certain graphics, or a certain region ... Chris Goedde From claus.atzenbeck at freenet.de Thu Jan 26 10:14:45 2006 From: claus.atzenbeck at freenet.de (Claus Atzenbeck) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:55 2007 Subject: Feature request In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, 26 Jan 2006, William Conable wrote: > Would it be too difficult to add the capacity to crop graphics? I realize I > can get the same effect by masking, but cropping sure would be convenient, and > it would result in smaller documents because the cropped data would be gone, > not just masked... You mean for imported graphics? I support your feature request. I had a use case recently. I ended up cropping the graphics with an graphic application before re-importing it. That's inconvenient. Claus From jpage at omnigroup.com Thu Jan 26 11:46:02 2006 From: jpage at omnigroup.com (Joel Page) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:55 2007 Subject: Feature request In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <824C6BB1-18AF-4B23-901A-D8C6B87EE09B@omnigroup.com> One can already crop (albeit clumsily) by using the Image Inspector: - Place an Image, set it to "Natural Size" in the Image Inspector - Resize the bounds of the image using the mouse in the main document window - In the Image Inspector, you can click and drag in the image well to position the view window on the image as needed It works, but it needs to be far better. Joel On Jan 26, 2006, at 8:45 AM, William Conable wrote: > Hi, > > Would it be too difficult to add the capacity to crop graphics? I > realize I can get the same effect by masking, but cropping sure > would be convenient, and it would result in smaller documents > because the cropped data would be gone, not just masked... > > > Bill Conable > OSU School of Music > > _______________________________________________ > OmniGraffle-Users mailing list > OmniGraffle-Users@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnigraffle-users From jpage at omnigroup.com Thu Jan 26 11:48:51 2006 From: jpage at omnigroup.com (Joel Page) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:55 2007 Subject: Is it possible to resize an image through a LinkBack link ? In-Reply-To: <7E5174A2-BE6A-4EF9-B952-7A9252DA38BA@polytechnique.org> References: <7E5174A2-BE6A-4EF9-B952-7A9252DA38BA@polytechnique.org> Message-ID: <294B92A9-1D68-47C6-A2D9-7BBA0006FBDE@omnigroup.com> We're considering treating placed and pasted images as natural size by default, but selected shapes given an image as stretched. Needs our UI team to give it some thought, but I'm not seeing anything horrible about it so far. Joel On Jan 26, 2006, at 12:21 AM, Alan Schmitt wrote: > On 26 janv. 06, at 01:21, Joel Page wrote: > >> What's going on here is that by default pasted images are set to >> "stretched" in the Image Inspector, so when the LinkBack info is >> changed, the new imagery stretches to fit inside the bounding box. >> >> Change the setting to "Natural Size", and then after changes are >> made, you can right-click on the pasted image and from the Size >> submenu, "Size to fit image". > > Is there a way to have images always "Natural Size" by default? I > input quite a bit of LaTeX using LaTeX IT in my OG documents, and > each time I edit the TeX I need to remember to set the image to > "Natural Size". > > Thanks, > > Alan > > -- > Alan Schmitt > > The hacker: someone who figured things out and made something cool > happen. > .O. > ..O > OOO > > From jpage at omnigroup.com Thu Jan 26 11:49:45 2006 From: jpage at omnigroup.com (Joel Page) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:55 2007 Subject: new 4.1.1 and font in-dependancies In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7112B860-065D-4AF2-BCAC-800984E3E961@omnigroup.com> No embedding, just removed the dependency on Courier (as well as any other fonts). Joel On Jan 26, 2006, at 5:09 AM, Don Montalvo wrote: > thanks for lifting the courier font dependancy! this is a HUGE step > in the right direction with respect to graphics environments where > we need tight control of fonts. > > just curious...did the font get embedded? > > thanks, > don > -- > > don montalvo > curmudgeon at large > 917-559-5713 > donmontalvo@mac.com > http://donmontalvo.com > _______________________________________________ > OmniGraffle-Users mailing list > OmniGraffle-Users@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnigraffle-users From thomaswaters at mac.com Thu Jan 26 13:21:30 2006 From: thomaswaters at mac.com (Thomas Waters) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:55 2007 Subject: Organizing Shapes and Palettes In-Reply-To: <08C69F44-7A5C-4998-8368-B5A58B0123F1@ornl.gov> References: <08C69F44-7A5C-4998-8368-B5A58B0123F1@ornl.gov> Message-ID: Yes!!!! Great question. I want to know the same thing! Like right now, if I want to do a graffle showing computer network, there are at least three different stencils I need, and found in different places. I'd like to be able to re-organize my stencils, group them would be awesome. On Jan 26, 2006, at 11:25 AM, Sean Ahern wrote: > Is there any way to give my stencil menu a better organization? > > Over time, I've collected a large set of stencils and other > customizations. That stencil menu is starting to get a bit > cluttered and unwieldy and I'm looking for a way to clean it up. > I've gone into my ~/Library/Application Support/OmniGraffle/ > Stencils directory and done some work. I've made subdirectories > for categories and shuffled appropriate stencils around. It helps > some. > > But this doesn't address the Palettes, nor does it address the > stencils that are bundled into OmniGraffle itself. I suppose I > could start mucking about inside that package "Contents/Resources/ > English", but that doesn't seem like the best solution, especially > across upgrades. > > In addition, some of the Stencils really could use better names. > As interesting as I think the items in "FiguresByThor" and > "WireframeShapes" are, they really aren't very descriptive as to > their purpose. > > What I'm looking for is a general "Add-ons Manager", similar to the > bookmarks editor you find in Firefox or Safari, that would let me > customize these add-ons as I like. > > Any thoughts? > > -Sean > > -- > Sean Ahern > Oak Ridge National Laboratory > > > _______________________________________________ > OmniGraffle-Users mailing list > OmniGraffle-Users@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnigraffle-users From jpage at omnigroup.com Thu Jan 26 13:26:42 2006 From: jpage at omnigroup.com (Joel Page) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:55 2007 Subject: Organizing Shapes and Palettes In-Reply-To: References: <08C69F44-7A5C-4998-8368-B5A58B0123F1@ornl.gov> Message-ID: <3C4B5B3E-7D90-4BEE-9330-D4757DC2B316@omnigroup.com> Just create a folder inside of /Application Support/OmniGraffle/ Stencils/ and put the stencil files in there. Cheers, Joel On Jan 26, 2006, at 1:21 PM, Thomas Waters wrote: > Yes!!!! Great question. I want to know the same thing! Like > right now, if I want to do a graffle showing computer network, > there are at least three different stencils I need, and found in > different places. I'd like to be able to re-organize my stencils, > group them would be awesome. > On Jan 26, 2006, at 11:25 AM, Sean Ahern wrote: > >> Is there any way to give my stencil menu a better organization? >> >> Over time, I've collected a large set of stencils and other >> customizations. That stencil menu is starting to get a bit >> cluttered and unwieldy and I'm looking for a way to clean it up. >> I've gone into my ~/Library/Application Support/OmniGraffle/ >> Stencils directory and done some work. I've made subdirectories >> for categories and shuffled appropriate stencils around. It helps >> some. >> >> But this doesn't address the Palettes, nor does it address the >> stencils that are bundled into OmniGraffle itself. I suppose I >> could start mucking about inside that package "Contents/Resources/ >> English", but that doesn't seem like the best solution, especially >> across upgrades. >> >> In addition, some of the Stencils really could use better names. >> As interesting as I think the items in "FiguresByThor" and >> "WireframeShapes" are, they really aren't very descriptive as to >> their purpose. >> >> What I'm looking for is a general "Add-ons Manager", similar to >> the bookmarks editor you find in Firefox or Safari, that would let >> me customize these add-ons as I like. >> >> Any thoughts? >> >> -Sean >> >> -- >> Sean Ahern >> Oak Ridge National Laboratory >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> OmniGraffle-Users mailing list >> OmniGraffle-Users@omnigroup.com >> http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnigraffle-users > > _______________________________________________ > OmniGraffle-Users mailing list > OmniGraffle-Users@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnigraffle-users From ahern at ornl.gov Thu Jan 26 14:02:46 2006 From: ahern at ornl.gov (Sean Ahern) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:55 2007 Subject: Organizing Shapes and Palettes In-Reply-To: <3C4B5B3E-7D90-4BEE-9330-D4757DC2B316@omnigroup.com> References: <08C69F44-7A5C-4998-8368-B5A58B0123F1@ornl.gov> <3C4B5B3E-7D90-4BEE-9330-D4757DC2B316@omnigroup.com> Message-ID: Unfortunately, that doesn't quite solve the problem. See one of my original paragraphs: >>> But this doesn't address the Palettes, nor does it address the >>> stencils that are bundled into OmniGraffle itself. I suppose I >>> could start mucking about inside that package "Contents/Resources/ >>> English", but that doesn't seem like the best solution, >>> especially across upgrades. There's more that needs to be organized than just what can be solved by subdividing the Stencils file. -Sean -- Sean Ahern Oak Ridge National Laboratory On Jan 26, 2006, at 4:26 PM, Joel Page wrote: > Just create a folder inside of /Application Support/OmniGraffle/ > Stencils/ and put the stencil files in there. > > Cheers, > > Joel > > > On Jan 26, 2006, at 1:21 PM, Thomas Waters wrote: > >> Yes!!!! Great question. I want to know the same thing! Like >> right now, if I want to do a graffle showing computer network, >> there are at least three different stencils I need, and found in >> different places. I'd like to be able to re-organize my stencils, >> group them would be awesome. >> On Jan 26, 2006, at 11:25 AM, Sean Ahern wrote: >> >>> Is there any way to give my stencil menu a better organization? >>> >>> Over time, I've collected a large set of stencils and other >>> customizations. That stencil menu is starting to get a bit >>> cluttered and unwieldy and I'm looking for a way to clean it up. >>> I've gone into my ~/Library/Application Support/OmniGraffle/ >>> Stencils directory and done some work. I've made subdirectories >>> for categories and shuffled appropriate stencils around. It >>> helps some. >>> >>> But this doesn't address the Palettes, nor does it address the >>> stencils that are bundled into OmniGraffle itself. I suppose I >>> could start mucking about inside that package "Contents/Resources/ >>> English", but that doesn't seem like the best solution, >>> especially across upgrades. >>> >>> In addition, some of the Stencils really could use better names. >>> As interesting as I think the items in "FiguresByThor" and >>> "WireframeShapes" are, they really aren't very descriptive as to >>> their purpose. >>> >>> What I'm looking for is a general "Add-ons Manager", similar to >>> the bookmarks editor you find in Firefox or Safari, that would >>> let me customize these add-ons as I like. >>> >>> Any thoughts? >>> >>> -Sean >>> >>> -- >>> Sean Ahern >>> Oak Ridge National Laboratory >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> OmniGraffle-Users mailing list >>> OmniGraffle-Users@omnigroup.com >>> http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnigraffle-users >> >> _______________________________________________ >> OmniGraffle-Users mailing list >> OmniGraffle-Users@omnigroup.com >> http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnigraffle-users > > _______________________________________________ > OmniGraffle-Users mailing list > OmniGraffle-Users@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnigraffle-users From jpage at omnigroup.com Thu Jan 26 14:32:52 2006 From: jpage at omnigroup.com (Joel Page) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:55 2007 Subject: Organizing Shapes and Palettes In-Reply-To: References: <08C69F44-7A5C-4998-8368-B5A58B0123F1@ornl.gov> <3C4B5B3E-7D90-4BEE-9330-D4757DC2B316@omnigroup.com> Message-ID: Custom stencils (including folders) that reside in /Application Support/ that have the same name as those inside the application package override the default ones. Same goes for templates, diagram styles, etc. So, while it would take some work in duplication (best practice would be to copy and edit existing stencils you still want to use), once done the presentation at the end user level can be as custom as one wants. JP On Jan 26, 2006, at 2:02 PM, Sean Ahern wrote: > Unfortunately, that doesn't quite solve the problem. See one of my > original paragraphs: > >>>> But this doesn't address the Palettes, nor does it address the >>>> stencils that are bundled into OmniGraffle itself. I suppose I >>>> could start mucking about inside that package "Contents/ >>>> Resources/English", but that doesn't seem like the best >>>> solution, especially across upgrades. > > There's more that needs to be organized than just what can be > solv