From donmontalvo at mac.com Sat Jan 1 18:43:36 2005 From: donmontalvo at mac.com (Don Montalvo) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:41 2007 Subject: lines question Message-ID: i'm a new omnigraffle pro user (bought the pro version because i need to edit/save visio files). i need to create a diagram that includes lines that go through items. i'm having trouble getting the lines to NOT "attach" themselves to items. is there a way to create a line and put it over something without the line points attaching themselves to items? thanks, don -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ don montalvo 917-559-5713 donmontalvo@mac.com http://donmontalvo.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From listera at rcn.com Sat Jan 1 18:50:20 2005 From: listera at rcn.com (Listera) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:41 2007 Subject: lines question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Don Montalvo: > is there a way to create a line and put it over something without the line > points attaching themselves to items? You can uncheck the magnet capability of objects so they don't accept connections at the attachment points. Ziya From larkost at softhome.net Sun Jan 2 06:39:36 2005 From: larkost at softhome.net (Karl Kuehn) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:41 2007 Subject: lines question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2012D9F4-5CCC-11D9-912D-003065C12208@softhome.net> Holding down the Option key will probably do what you are looking for. Karl Kuehn larkost@softhome.net On Jan 1, 2005, at 9:43 PM, Don Montalvo wrote: > i'm a new omnigraffle pro user (bought the pro version because i need > to edit/save visio files). i need to create a diagram that includes > lines that go through items. i'm having trouble getting the lines to > NOT "attach" themselves to items. is there a way to create a line and > put it over something without the line points attaching themselves to > items? From donmontalvo at mac.com Sun Jan 2 08:37:24 2005 From: donmontalvo at mac.com (Don Montalvo) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:41 2007 Subject: lines question In-Reply-To: <2012D9F4-5CCC-11D9-912D-003065C12208@softhome.net> References: <2012D9F4-5CCC-11D9-912D-003065C12208@softhome.net> Message-ID: ahhh...thanks! the online help should offer an answer...it doesn't. having used omnigraffle pro for a few weeks, the help system needs improvement as well as the contextual-menus (why can't i control-click an object to rotate 90 degrees?). thanks! don At 9:39 AM -0500 1/2/05, Karl Kuehn wrote: >Holding down the Option key will probably do what you are looking for. > > Karl Kuehn > larkost@softhome.net > >On Jan 1, 2005, at 9:43 PM, Don Montalvo wrote: > >>i'm a new omnigraffle pro user (bought the pro version because i >>need to edit/save visio files). i need to create a diagram that >>includes lines that go through items. i'm having trouble getting >>the lines to NOT "attach" themselves to items. is there a way to >>create a line and put it over something without the line points >>attaching themselves to items? From graffle at mettre.de Sun Jan 2 08:48:35 2005 From: graffle at mettre.de (Ortwin Zillgen) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:41 2007 Subject: lines question In-Reply-To: References: <2012D9F4-5CCC-11D9-912D-003065C12208@softhome.net> Message-ID: <24E28E90-5CDE-11D9-9634-000D93AD0BBA@mettre.de> > ahhh...thanks! the online help should offer an answer...it doesn't.=20 > having used omnigraffle pro for a few weeks, the help system needs=20 > improvement as well as the contextual-menus > (why can't i control-click an object to rotate 90 degrees?). because you do that with command-click, or shift-command-click Regards Ortwin Zillgen =B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0= =B0 Stadt Land Flu=A7 * Geographic Informationsystems From donmontalvo at mac.com Sun Jan 2 12:30:07 2005 From: donmontalvo at mac.com (Don Montalvo) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:41 2007 Subject: lines question In-Reply-To: <200501022000.j02K0QZV001488@slowbro.omnigroup.com> References: <200501022000.j02K0QZV001488@slowbro.omnigroup.com> Message-ID: Ortwin Zillgen wrote: > > ahhh...thanks! the online help should offer an answer...it doesn't. >> having used omnigraffle pro for a few weeks, the help system needs >> improvement as well as the contextual-menus > > >> (why can't i control-click an object to rotate 90 degrees?). > >because you do that with command-click, or shift-command-click > > >Regards >Ortwin Zillgen wow! you guys are great! i guess i'm just not used to the keyboard shortcuts in omnigraffle pro. i come from the graphics end of the business (adobe, quark, etc.) where the keyboard shortcuts are pretty consistent (well, mostly the adobe stuff) so i can see omnigraffle is heading off on it's own direction with regards to keyboard shortcuts. i'm so glad i found this group. :) is there a keyboard shorcut list for omnigraffle pro? thanks so much, don From jaharmi at mac.com Mon Jan 3 11:21:10 2005 From: jaharmi at mac.com (Jeremy Reichman) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:41 2007 Subject: lines question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 1/2/05 3:30 PM, "Don Montalvo" wrote: > wow! you guys are great! i guess i'm just not used to the keyboard > shortcuts in omnigraffle pro. i come from the graphics end of the > business (adobe, quark, etc.) where the keyboard shortcuts are pretty > consistent (well, mostly the adobe stuff) so i can see omnigraffle is > heading off on it's own direction with regards to keyboard shortcuts. > > i'm so glad i found this group. :) is there a keyboard shorcut list > for omnigraffle pro? > > thanks so much, > don There's a reasonable list of keyboard shortcuts for the operating system in the on-line help. So, if a shortcuts list is not in the on-line help for any other application (like OGP), then it would be nice to have it there. That way, it can show up in a search for "keyboard shortcut" in Help Viewer. Doing this in OGP today finds one result -- "Working with Text." I'm not sure if KeyCue (http://www.macility.com/products/keycue/), for example, would help with object-based keyboard shortcuts ... but that would be cool. Even though I've used OG since around version 1.0, I still feel like I'm not mastering it. I really feel like I could use some more tutorials and deeper on-line help. -- Jeremy From graffle at mettre.de Mon Jan 3 22:52:09 2005 From: graffle at mettre.de (Ortwin Zillgen) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:41 2007 Subject: nearest neighbor subgraph selection Message-ID: <27C01FC3-5E1D-11D9-BF0A-000D93AD0BBA@mettre.de> > This script will select the nodes one link away from the selected=20 > node(s). If you want to keep the original node(s) selected as well,=20 > then change the last line to: this script works perfectly, when run from the Scripteditor. It doesn't do anything, when run from OG's script-menu. Any idea? Regards Ortwin Zillgen =B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0= =B0 Stadt Land Flu=A7 * Geographic Informationsystems From john.gersh at jhuapl.edu Tue Jan 4 05:55:22 2005 From: john.gersh at jhuapl.edu (John Gersh) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:41 2007 Subject: nearest neighbor subgraph selection In-Reply-To: <27C01FC3-5E1D-11D9-BF0A-000D93AD0BBA@mettre.de> References: <27C01FC3-5E1D-11D9-BF0A-000D93AD0BBA@mettre.de> Message-ID: At 7:52 AM +0100 1/4/05, Ortwin Zillgen wrote: >this script works perfectly, when run from the Scripteditor. >It doesn't do anything, when run from OG's script-menu. >Any idea? There's a general problem running scripts from the script menu. A message to the list last spring said: At 3:28 PM -0700 4/5/04, Joel Page wrote: >It's because we haven't changed over from OAOSAScript to >NSAppleScript yet. If you save the scripts using Script Editor 2.0 >beta or 1.9, they will execute from the menu, but not if saved from >the final version of Script Editor 2.0. > >Likewise, they run from within Script Editor just fine and if >applied as actions to objects will execute just fine that way. > >I'm really trying to push hard to get this fixed well before OmniGraffle 4. > >Hope that helps, > >Joel Page >Support Engineer >The Omni Group The good news is that Joel's a good pusher. The problem has, indeed, been fixed well before OG 4. Greg's nearest neighbor script, compiled in Script Editor 2.0, runs just fine from the script menu in the current OG 3.2 beta. You can get the beta at http://www.omnigroup.com/applications/omnigraffle/beta/ . - John From ajmalton at uwaterloo.ca Tue Jan 4 12:35:13 2005 From: ajmalton at uwaterloo.ca (Andrew Malton) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:41 2007 Subject: Coincident lines In-Reply-To: <200412212000.iBLK0gZR025100@slowbro.omnigroup.com> References: <200412212000.iBLK0gZR025100@slowbro.omnigroup.com> Message-ID: <22FF9B65-5E90-11D9-B9CB-0003931281D4@uwaterloo.ca> I know there was a dicussion of this topic in the past but I cannot find it. This question is related to the discussion of "routing" and "cable ties" but isn't quite the same issue. What are the best practices for preventing coincident lines, especially between the same pair of shapes? Some observations: * When lines coincide, visual information is lost. * It's possible to draw lines so that they don't coincide, by adding midpoints. But it's not always convenient. Midpoints are glued to the canvas, making their edges' endshapes harder to move. Midpoints are not respected by the layouter. Midpoints and bends violate some drawing conventions (e.g. in UML). * It's possible to keep endpoints separate by connecting directly to magnets. This keeps lines apart, and is best way I know. But: it's finnicky, it doesn't look pretty when there's only one line between shapes, and it constrains shape-moving, because such magnetized lines aren't so free to enter their shape from any side. * It's possible (and suggested in the Help) to add a little molecule of magnets to the middle of a shape, so that incoming nearly coincident edges will sometimes tend to be apart. However this doesn't help for truly coincident edges. I think someone suggested the notion of a spreading magnet, or something like that: a magnet which would somehow force endpoints attracted to it to still be "a bit apart". Or maybe the idea of "cable tie" could optionally keep tied lines "a bit apart". Anyway, all in all, I really would love a solution to the problem of coincident lines. From omni at scwalkandroll.com Tue Jan 4 12:38:33 2005 From: omni at scwalkandroll.com (omni@scwalkandroll.com) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:41 2007 Subject: OmniGraffle 3.2 beta 1 Message-ID: The hyperlinks seem to be lost on importing from OmniOutliner 3. Is there a way to retain them in this version? Thanks in advance, Michael Singer From donmontalvo at mac.com Tue Jan 4 13:10:31 2005 From: donmontalvo at mac.com (Don Montalvo) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:41 2007 Subject: lines question In-Reply-To: <200501032000.j03K0NZV022444@slowbro.omnigroup.com> References: <200501032000.j03K0NZV022444@slowbro.omnigroup.com> Message-ID: Jeremy Reichman wrote: >On 1/2/05 3:30 PM, "Don Montalvo" wrote: > >> wow! you guys are great! i guess i'm just not used to the keyboard >> shortcuts in omnigraffle pro. i come from the graphics end of the >> business (adobe, quark, etc.) where the keyboard shortcuts are pretty >> consistent (well, mostly the adobe stuff) so i can see omnigraffle is >> heading off on it's own direction with regards to keyboard shortcuts. >> >> i'm so glad i found this group. :) is there a keyboard shorcut list > > for omnigraffle pro? >> >> thanks so much, >> don > >There's a reasonable list of keyboard shortcuts for the operating system in >the on-line help. So, if a shortcuts list is not in the on-line help for any >other application (like OGP), then it would be nice to have it there. That >way, it can show up in a search for "keyboard shortcut" in Help Viewer. >Doing this in OGP today finds one result -- "Working with Text." > >I'm not sure if KeyCue (http://www.macility.com/products/keycue/), for >example, would help with object-based keyboard shortcuts ... but that would >be cool. > >Even though I've used OG since around version 1.0, I still feel like I'm not >mastering it. I really feel like I could use some more tutorials and deeper >on-line help. > > >-- >Jeremy i'm actually a systems admin in nyc so i have the system stuff down but omnigraffle pro is such a unique application with non-standard keyboard shortcuts so it's going to take some time to get used to it. thanks! don From omnigroup at spacemoo.com Wed Jan 5 08:53:39 2005 From: omnigroup at spacemoo.com (Dieder Bylsma) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:41 2007 Subject: Importing EPS into Stencils Message-ID: I'm using version 3.1.2 of Omnigraffle and having a difficult time creating a new stencil. Specifically I already have a new line drawing created and saved in EPS. When I copy and paste it to Omnigraffle, it creates a document-size 'bounding' box around the newly 'imported' EPS graphic. This compared quite poorly compared to the size of the bounding boxes in the other stencils that come both with Graffle and which are available off the Graffle web site. The graphic seems to be fine, just the bounding box is unreasonably large. Is there an alternate method of importing an EPS graphic into Graffle other than copy & paste which will result in a bounding-box sized no-larger than the illustration itself if not the outer boundaries of the illustration? thx for any info, Dieder From elliott at yrl.co.uk Wed Jan 5 09:46:58 2005 From: elliott at yrl.co.uk (Elliott Roper) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:41 2007 Subject: Importing EPS into Stencils In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 05- Jan-2005, at 16:53, Dieder Bylsma wrote: > I'm using version 3.1.2 of Omnigraffle and having a difficult time > creating a new stencil. > > Specifically I already have a new line drawing created and saved in > EPS. When I copy and paste it to Omnigraffle, it creates a > document-size 'bounding' box around the newly 'imported' EPS graphic. > This compared quite poorly compared to the size of the bounding boxes > in the other stencils that come both with Graffle and which are > available off the Graffle web site. > > The graphic seems to be fine, just the bounding box is unreasonably > large. Is there an alternate method of importing an EPS graphic into > Graffle other than copy & paste which will result in a bounding-box > sized no-larger than the illustration itself if not the outer > boundaries of the illustration? > > thx for any info, I think it depends on how you created the eps. Ones I made here with Freehand, and saved as 'selection only' behaved excellently. Go back to FH or Illy and see if you cannot export again. From larkost at softhome.net Wed Jan 5 10:11:05 2005 From: larkost at softhome.net (Karl Kuehn) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:41 2007 Subject: Importing EPS into Stencils In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2A848BDE-5F45-11D9-98BE-000A95CE7736@softhome.net> On Jan 5, 2005, at 12:46 PM, Elliott Roper wrote: >> The graphic seems to be fine, just the bounding box is unreasonably >> large. Is there an alternate method of importing an EPS graphic into >> Graffle other than copy & paste which will result in a bounding-box >> sized no-larger than the illustration itself if not the outer >> boundaries of the illustration? >> >> thx for any info, > I think it depends on how you created the eps. Ones I made here with > Freehand, and saved as 'selection only' behaved excellently. Go back > to FH or Illy and see if you cannot export again. I am going to second this... a lot of time you wind up exporting the canvas along with the graphic. You may not see that because it often defaults to white or transparent, but it is there. A couple of time I couldn't get around this (mostly PDF imports where I did not have access to the original material), and I found that if you set the image to not re-size with the enclosing object you can then resize that object to effectively crop portions of this space away. Karl Kuehn larkost@softhome.net From matsakis at mit.edu Wed Jan 5 12:14:40 2005 From: matsakis at mit.edu (Nick Matsakis) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:41 2007 Subject: Importing EPS into Stencils Message-ID: > When I copy and paste it to Omnigraffle, it creates a document-size > 'bounding' box around the newly 'imported' EPS graphic. Use 10.3's Preview to convert the EPS to PDF. Then, if the bounding box is not respected, use the crop tool in Preview to get the bounding box you want. Use the resulting PDF with Omnigraffle. Nick Matsakis From john at oram.com Wed Jan 5 12:49:45 2005 From: john at oram.com (John Oram) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:41 2007 Subject: Importing EPS into Stencils In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: You can avoid the bounding box if you drag a PDF to the OG icon (or use the Open... dialog). I think the same holds true for EPS, though I can't confirm at the moment. At 12:53 AM +0800 1/6/05, Dieder Bylsma wrote: >I'm using version 3.1.2 of Omnigraffle and having a difficult time >creating a new stencil. > >Specifically I already have a new line drawing created and saved in >EPS. When I copy and paste it to Omnigraffle, it creates a >document-size 'bounding' box around the newly 'imported' EPS >graphic. This compared quite poorly compared to the size of the >bounding boxes in the other stencils that come both with Graffle and >which are available off the Graffle web site. > >The graphic seems to be fine, just the bounding box is unreasonably >large. Is there an alternate method of importing an EPS graphic into >Graffle other than copy & paste which will result in a bounding-box >sized no-larger than the illustration itself if not the outer >boundaries of the illustration? > >thx for any info, > > >Dieder >_______________________________________________ >OmniGraffle-Users mailing list >OmniGraffle-Users@omnigroup.com >http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnigraffle-users From larkost at softhome.net Wed Jan 5 13:04:37 2005 From: larkost at softhome.net (Karl Kuehn) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:41 2007 Subject: Importing EPS into Stencils In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6872B0A0-5F5D-11D9-98BE-000A95CE7736@softhome.net> On Jan 5, 2005, at 3:49 PM, John Oram wrote: > You can avoid the bounding box if you drag a PDF to the OG icon (or > use the Open... dialog). I think the same holds true for EPS, though > I can't confirm at the moment. Am I doing something wrong? Is this a pro-only feature? When I try and drag a pdf document into OmniGraffle 3.1.2 it looks like it is going to accept it, but then does nothing and pdf's are not selectable in the Open dialog. This is with multiple pdf's, some that were generated by OmniGraffle. Could these be Illustrator CS files that you are working with? The new format is PDF with embedded EPS's and hidden Illustrator data. All of the PDF's come in just fine when I either import them through the menu item, or drag them in. Karl Kuehn larkost@softhome.net From jaharmi at mac.com Wed Jan 5 14:00:25 2005 From: jaharmi at mac.com (Jeremy Reichman) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:41 2007 Subject: Tips for outline imports from OmniOutliner In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 12/22/04 11:58 AM, "Greg Titus" wrote: > On Dec 21, 2004, at 5:50 AM, Jeremy Reichman wrote: > >> I'm looking for tips from people who are heavier users of the >> OmniOutliner >> export to OmniGraffle that I am. I really, really want to use this >> feature >> but every time I do, I feel like it doesn't meet my expectations. >> >> I have some flow charts that I'd like to create but they seem to defy >> my >> ability to construct an outline that also works as a graffle. > > Graffle treats Outliner imports as tree structures, which is great when > you have a tree structure, as most outlines are, but isn't ideal for a > flow chart. For quick entry of a flow chart, you might have better luck > with the mouseless editing commands in Graffle Pro, which are intended > for flow chart like graphs. Create a single desired shape to start, > edit the text, and then press cmd-control-right arrow to create a copy > of that shape off to the right, connected by a line (of the current > line style), with the text already selected. Type in that shape's text, > and > then press cmd-control-right arrow again to create the next one. The > four arrow keys with command and control held down create a connected > shape in that direction (the distance is determined by the alignment > settings), and the four arrow keys with just command held down move > your selection to the next object in that direction. > > This kind of thing is ideal for creating graphs with shapes in series > (i.e. A->B->C->D) like for flow charts and waterfall diagrams. Since > outlines are treated as trees, to get the same thing via Outliner > import, you'd need to create a non-bushy, deep tree: > * A > * B > * C > * D > >> Right now, it seems like the one process that's worked for me is to >> completely reverse my outlines and make them flow from most indented to >> least. When this is imported into Graffle, I get a flowchart that at >> least >> has lines drawn between the correct objects. However, all the lines are >> reversed (not too hard to correct, and I suppose I could change the >> line >> style in the Preferences to do that automatically) and the graffle >> moves >> from right to left (rather than left to right, if I'm forcing >> hierarchy in >> that direction). > > I'm not sure why outlining in the opposite order would help? Outlines > imported into Graffle always connect from parents to children. But if > you prefer it that way, then you could just select-all after the > import, reverse all the lines (via the Line inspector), and relayout > (which will make the direction left-to-right if that is the current > layout setting). > >> So, I'm looking for tips on how to better create outlines that are >> flowchartable (the more automatic, the better), and preferably ones >> that >> will also stand on their own as outlines (where mine don't). I haven't >> found >> much via Google. > > Are you maybe preferring to treat outlines as a list rather than as a > tree? I would be happy to whip up an AppleScript that did whatever sort > of transformation from Outliner into Graffle that seems most natural to > you, but I'm not certain what it is you are asking for. If you could > give a couple example outlines and how you think they ought to be > transformed into graphs, I might have a better idea what you are after. I've tried to explain, with screenshots, what I'm doing at the URL below. I apologize for not posting this earlier, but an Internet-less portion of the holiday season interrupted me. Beyond that, I can say that since I started this thread, I've picked up the Mouseless Editing feature in Pro (where I previously hadn't tried it) and I'm fairly happy with it. I have some feedback I'll send to the official feedback address separately. Using Mouseless Editing and Automatic Layout allowed to me a very large flowchart that would have been a real pain to make by hand. It doesn't exactly meet my *desire* to start with an outline document and end up with a flowchart, but it meets my *need* to quickly mock up flowcharts. I can see the utility of having a multi-column OO document build into an OG flowchart, where the columns could be used to show which objects are connected. Perhaps this verges into the realm of a Graphviz file too much, though ... I've done a little reading on that topic and it sounds quite interesting. (Perhaps OO > Graphviz > OG could work out ... ?) Thanks! -- Jeremy From john at oram.com Wed Jan 5 14:51:56 2005 From: john at oram.com (John Oram) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:41 2007 Subject: Importing EPS into Stencils In-Reply-To: <6872B0A0-5F5D-11D9-98BE-000A95CE7736@softhome.net> References: <6872B0A0-5F5D-11D9-98BE-000A95CE7736@softhome.net> Message-ID: Hey Karl- My apologies -- this seems to be a Pro feature. That being said, it works for PDF and Illustrator .ai files (and I've never used). Text does not survive the transition though. -j At 4:04 PM -0500 1/5/05, Karl Kuehn wrote: >On Jan 5, 2005, at 3:49 PM, John Oram wrote: > >>You can avoid the bounding box if you drag a PDF to the OG icon (or >>use the Open... dialog). I think the same holds true for EPS, >>though I can't confirm at the moment. > > Am I doing something wrong? Is this a pro-only feature? When >I try and drag a pdf document into OmniGraffle 3.1.2 it looks like >it is going to accept it, but then does nothing and pdf's are not >selectable in the Open dialog. This is with multiple pdf's, some >that were generated by OmniGraffle. Could these be Illustrator CS >files that you are working with? The new format is PDF with embedded >EPS's and hidden Illustrator data. > All of the PDF's come in just fine when I either import them >through the menu item, or drag them in. > > Karl Kuehn > larkost@softhome.net From mark at zopemag.com Thu Jan 6 09:04:03 2005 From: mark at zopemag.com (Mark Pratt) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:41 2007 Subject: Introduction / OmniOutliner 3 export to Keynote Message-ID: Hi, Let me introduce myself my name is Mark Pratt and I work for beehive KG a Education & Publishing company focused on Open Source related software. I use OmniGraffle Pro extensively and have come to love the software. Love is almost an understatement :-) Lately I have been fooling around with the copy of OmniGraffle that came with my Powerbook. Just downloaded your OmniGraffle 3 demo and looked at the Keynote export. It seems their are lots of interesting features which probably will grow on me but I will immediately upgrade if you add two very minor things to the Keynote export namely: That I can define the font and size - for headings - for the bullet text upon export. Hope you will add that feature request. Thanks again for making OmniGraffle Pro and OmniOutliner. Love your work! Cheers, Mark From atl at comp.lancs.ac.uk Thu Jan 6 09:15:38 2005 From: atl at comp.lancs.ac.uk (Adam Lindsay) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:41 2007 Subject: Introduction / OmniOutliner 3 export to Keynote In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20050106171538.18129@news.comp.lancs.ac.uk> Mark Pratt said this at Thu, 6 Jan 2005 18:04:03 +0100: >That I can define the font and size > >- for headings >- for the bullet text > >upon export. > >Hope you will add that feature request. I'm curious: why is choosing (and being able to customise) the Keynote Theme insufficient in your eyes? I use Keynote export (in OO2) a lot, and every presentation I prepare wants a round of visual tweaking within Keynote itself. No presentation, nor slide, has the same requirements. A Font/Size specification on export with one-size-for-all-slides is sure to need further tweaking. I see OO export in general as a great way of outputting *structured* content. Visual fine-tuning really ought to be done elsewhere. -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Adam T. Lindsay, Computing Dept. atl@comp.lancs.ac.uk Lancaster University, InfoLab21 +44(0)1524/510.514 Lancaster, LA1 4WA, UK Fax:+44(0)1524/510.492 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- From john_oshea at wordbank.com Thu Jan 6 10:00:21 2005 From: john_oshea at wordbank.com (john_oshea@wordbank.com) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:41 2007 Subject: seeking method for both hyperlink and text search in pdf image In-Reply-To: <6FFE669F-5B50-11D9-BCBD-000A9594C9B8@omnigroup.com> References: <6FFE669F-5B50-11D9-BCBD-000A9594C9B8@omnigroup.com> Message-ID: <41DD7CB5.4050701@wordbank.com> Greg Titus wrote: > The reason for the omission is not that peculiar: Apple provides a lot > of support for generating PDFs for printing and for saving to a file, > but that support does not include things like hyperlinks. Thus, > exporting links into PDF requires Graffle to manually generate a bunch > of the required PDF instead of depending upon the operating system. You > will all be happy to know that this will happen in OmniGraffle 4, so > Michael Singer's original request for hyperlinking and text > searchability will be possible without any extra software soon. And what are the chances of an Omni framework containing said PDF-generating code being released separately at some point (either as source code, or under licence)? While we don't have a massive need for this, I'm imagining it would be much preferable to playing with Adobe's SDK ;-) -- John O'Shea, VP Technical Strategy Wordbank Limited 33 Charlotte Street, London W1T 1RR Direct line: +44 (0) 20 7903 8829 Fax: +44 (0) 20 7903 8888 From larkost at softhome.net Thu Jan 6 10:16:49 2005 From: larkost at softhome.net (Karl Kuehn) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:41 2007 Subject: seeking method for both hyperlink and text search in pdf image In-Reply-To: <41DD7CB5.4050701@wordbank.com> References: <6FFE669F-5B50-11D9-BCBD-000A9594C9B8@omnigroup.com> <41DD7CB5.4050701@wordbank.com> Message-ID: <221BB0A5-600F-11D9-A8C9-000A95CE7736@softhome.net> On Jan 6, 2005, at 1:00 PM, john_oshea@wordbank.com wrote: >> The reason for the omission is not that peculiar: Apple provides a >> lot of support for generating PDFs for printing and for saving to a >> file, but that support does not include things like hyperlinks. Thus, >> exporting links into PDF requires Graffle to manually generate a >> bunch of the required PDF instead of depending upon the operating >> system. You will all be happy to know that this will happen in >> OmniGraffle 4, so Michael Singer's original request for hyperlinking >> and text searchability will be possible without any extra software >> soon. > > > > And what are the chances of an Omni framework containing said > PDF-generating code being released separately at some point (either as > source code, or under licence)? While we don't have a massive need for > this, I'm imagining it would be much preferable to playing with > Adobe's SDK ;-) Seeing as Apple also has a PDFKit mentioned on their public developer overview of 10.4 I wonder if this will either: a) be a Tiger-only feature, or b) might not be worth the developer time that Omni would have to put into it to generate their own. I guess it all depends on how important this feature is for people who aren't going to instantly update to 10.4. My guess is that the 10.4 adoption is going to be pretty fast among those people who buy software of this level. And the breakdown of OS's that the OmniGroup posted a little while ago (on this list?) would tend to indicate that their customer base sticks to the latest OS. I know that I am trying to figure out right now how to budget my money: $129 for the boxed release, or the $500 for the Tiger early-release kit. (Since I will probably buy at least one new computer this year, and probably WebObjects, I think that there is a good chance this would more than pay for itself.) Since PDFKit is supposed to be similar to WebKit, there is a chance that it will be very easy to use, and since it would be under active Apple development, I would guess that anything that Omni would produce would only be valuable for 10.3 (and under?). Karl Kuehn larkost@softhome.net From mark at zopemag.com Thu Jan 6 10:57:57 2005 From: mark at zopemag.com (Mark Pratt) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:41 2007 Subject: Introduction / OmniOutliner 3 export to Keynote In-Reply-To: <20050106171538.18129@news.comp.lancs.ac.uk> References: <20050106171538.18129@news.comp.lancs.ac.uk> Message-ID: Hi, On Jan 6, 2005, at 6:15 PM, Adam Lindsay wrote: > Mark Pratt said this at Thu, 6 Jan 2005 18:04:03 +0100: > >> That I can define the font and size >> >> - for headings >> - for the bullet text >> >> upon export. >> >> Hope you will add that feature request. > > I'm curious: why is choosing (and being able to customise) the Keynote > Theme insufficient in your eyes? That part works great. > > I use Keynote export (in OO2) a lot, and every presentation I prepare > wants a round of visual tweaking within Keynote itself. No > presentation, > nor slide, has the same requirements. A Font/Size specification on > export > with one-size-for-all-slides is sure to need further tweaking. I tested it with an existing OO2 outline. Imported it into OO3 and then exported to Keynote using my theme preference. Except for one slide out of 17 their was no tweaking involved. Even if more slides had a problem -- it would still be one less step. Another reason why choosing a font makes sense is because a lot of companies use particular font types as part of their corporate identity. > I see OO export in general as a great way of outputting *structured* > content. Visual fine-tuning really ought to be done elsewhere. Well OO is saving me a ton of time getting my points into keynote. It already lets me choose a theme why not default fonts for titles and bullet text? Cheers, Mark From atl at comp.lancs.ac.uk Thu Jan 6 11:03:49 2005 From: atl at comp.lancs.ac.uk (Adam Lindsay) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:41 2007 Subject: Introduction / OmniOutliner 3 export to Keynote In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20050106190349.9679@news.comp.lancs.ac.uk> Mark Pratt said this at Thu, 6 Jan 2005 19:57:57 +0100: >Another reason why choosing a font makes sense is because a lot of >companies use >particular font types as part of their corporate identity. See, to me, that's precisely the sort of thing you prepare in a theme. Creating/modifying themes is really easy in Keynote, and it does have the right GUI for that purpose. (My default theme is almost precisely what you describe: it's a variation on the standard "Gradient" theme with my chosen font and some logos added.) -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Adam T. Lindsay, Computing Dept. atl@comp.lancs.ac.uk Lancaster University, InfoLab21 +44(0)1524/510.514 Lancaster, LA1 4WA, UK Fax:+44(0)1524/510.492 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- From mark at zopemag.com Thu Jan 6 12:34:12 2005 From: mark at zopemag.com (Mark Pratt) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:41 2007 Subject: Introduction / OmniOutliner 3 export to Keynote In-Reply-To: <20050106190349.9679@news.comp.lancs.ac.uk> References: <20050106190349.9679@news.comp.lancs.ac.uk> Message-ID: <535AF2D5-6022-11D9-93C1-000D932A0486@zopemag.com> Hi Adam, I am so far not having much luck with your approach. But I'll continue trying to it in Keynote. This is after all the Omni list :-) Cheers, Mark On Jan 6, 2005, at 8:03 PM, Adam Lindsay wrote: > Mark Pratt said this at Thu, 6 Jan 2005 19:57:57 +0100: > >> Another reason why choosing a font makes sense is because a lot of >> companies use >> particular font types as part of their corporate identity. > > See, to me, that's precisely the sort of thing you prepare in a theme. > Creating/modifying themes is really easy in Keynote, and it does have > the > right GUI for that purpose. > > (My default theme is almost precisely what you describe: it's a > variation > on the standard "Gradient" theme with my chosen font and some logos > added.) > -- > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > Adam T. Lindsay, Computing Dept. atl@comp.lancs.ac.uk > Lancaster University, InfoLab21 +44(0)1524/510.514 > Lancaster, LA1 4WA, UK Fax:+44(0)1524/510.492 > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > > > From john_oshea at wordbank.com Fri Jan 7 03:06:28 2005 From: john_oshea at wordbank.com (john_oshea@wordbank.com) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:41 2007 Subject: seeking method for both hyperlink and text search in pdf image In-Reply-To: <221BB0A5-600F-11D9-A8C9-000A95CE7736@softhome.net> References: <6FFE669F-5B50-11D9-BCBD-000A9594C9B8@omnigroup.com> <41DD7CB5.4050701@wordbank.com> <221BB0A5-600F-11D9-A8C9-000A95CE7736@softhome.net> Message-ID: <41DE6D34.50902@wordbank.com> Karl Kuehn wrote: > Seeing as Apple also has a PDFKit mentioned on their public > developer overview of 10.4 Thanks :) -- John O'Shea, VP Technical Strategy Wordbank Limited 33 Charlotte Street, London W1T 1RR Direct line: +44 (0) 20 7903 8829 Fax: +44 (0) 20 7903 8888 From listera at rcn.com Fri Jan 7 11:09:37 2005 From: listera at rcn.com (Listera) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:41 2007 Subject: Dear Santa Message-ID: Well, Santa wasn't generous to me this year so I'm turning to Omni folk. In the past on several occasions we discussed here the possibility of OG providing a "hand-drawn" style that would introduce sufficient jiggle/distortion into its lines/shapes to make drawings look fabulously home-cooked. To which Wil said: "Lobby Apple to open up the APIs to Inkwell." Inexplicably, Steve Jobs isn't returning my calls, so are we better off this year on this front than last? Last year other kids were allowed to play with digital tablets to sketch their drawings, like Curio: Wouldn't it be great to have at least one layer of Ink in OG where actually hand-drawn shapes (via tablet) could be kept and composited with vector shapes? Wouldn't it be better if OG could detect basic shape patterns and auto-map them to circles, squares, straight lines, etc? Is Santa gone for good? Can I leave some cookies and milk out? Ziya From nbastin at opnet.com Fri Jan 7 11:19:45 2005 From: nbastin at opnet.com (Nicholas Bastin) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:41 2007 Subject: Dear Santa In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7F5A44F0-8FD1-48F4-AFBE-21752E9247AD@opnet.com> On Jan 7, 2005, at 2:09 PM, Listera wrote: > Wouldn't it be great to have at least one layer of Ink in OG where > actually > hand-drawn shapes (via tablet) could be kept and composited with vector > shapes? Wouldn't it be better if OG could detect basic shape patterns > and > auto-map them to circles, squares, straight lines, etc? I have asked for this before, so just let me reiterate - I would pay *good* money for better tablet support. I already own OmniGraffle Pro, so it's left as an exercise to the reader of what even more good money would be... -- Nick From bartmann at uiuc.edu Fri Jan 7 13:03:17 2005 From: bartmann at uiuc.edu (Bart Rossmann) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:41 2007 Subject: Dear Santa Message-ID: I third this option - I also would pay a premium for this ability. Especially the detection of basic shapes to auto-map, since I hand draw most things first anyways. -----Original Message----- From: omnigraffle-users-bounces@omnigroup.com [mailto:omnigraffle-users-bounces@omnigroup.com] On Behalf Of Nicholas Bastin Sent: Friday, January 07, 2005 1:20 PM To: Omnigraffle list Subject: Re: Dear Santa On Jan 7, 2005, at 2:09 PM, Listera wrote: > Wouldn't it be great to have at least one layer of Ink in OG where > actually hand-drawn shapes (via tablet) could be kept and composited > with vector shapes? Wouldn't it be better if OG could detect basic > shape patterns and auto-map them to circles, squares, straight lines, > etc? I have asked for this before, so just let me reiterate - I would pay *good* money for better tablet support. I already own OmniGraffle Pro, so it's left as an exercise to the reader of what even more good money would be... -- Nick _______________________________________________ OmniGraffle-Users mailing list OmniGraffle-Users@omnigroup.com http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnigraffle-users From acacord at wattslawfirm.com Fri Jan 7 13:07:32 2005 From: acacord at wattslawfirm.com (Adam Acord) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:41 2007 Subject: Dear Santa In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Ditto Bart's comment. -aa On Jan 7, 2005, at 3:03 PM, Bart Rossmann wrote: > > I third this option - I also would pay a premium for this ability. > > Especially the detection of basic shapes to auto-map, since I hand draw > most things first anyways. > > -----Original Message----- > From: omnigraffle-users-bounces@omnigroup.com > [mailto:omnigraffle-users-bounces@omnigroup.com] On Behalf Of Nicholas > Bastin > Sent: Friday, January 07, 2005 1:20 PM > To: Omnigraffle list > Subject: Re: Dear Santa > > > On Jan 7, 2005, at 2:09 PM, Listera wrote: > >> Wouldn't it be great to have at least one layer of Ink in OG where >> actually hand-drawn shapes (via tablet) could be kept and composited >> with vector shapes? Wouldn't it be better if OG could detect basic >> shape patterns and auto-map them to circles, squares, straight lines, >> etc? > > I have asked for this before, so just let me reiterate - I would pay > *good* money for better tablet support. I already own OmniGraffle Pro, > so it's left as an exercise to the reader of what even more good money > would be... > > -- > Nick > > _______________________________________________ > OmniGraffle-Users mailing list > OmniGraffle-Users@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnigraffle-users > _______________________________________________ > OmniGraffle-Users mailing list > OmniGraffle-Users@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnigraffle-users From john at oram.com Fri Jan 7 13:19:05 2005 From: john at oram.com (John Oram) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:41 2007 Subject: Dear Santa In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: >Wouldn't it be great to have at least one layer of Ink in OG where actually >hand-drawn shapes (via tablet) could be kept and composited with vector >shapes? Wouldn't it be better if OG could detect basic shape patterns and >auto-map them to circles, squares, straight lines, etc? Now you are making me miss my Newton. :( The auto-draw feature in the notepad was pretty sweet. In fact, that's one big reason why I latched on to OmniGraffle -- it was the closest thing out there to the Newton in many ways. My experiments with tablets and OG have been disastrous -- wild pen motions ensure, and I just seem to end up selecting and deleting everything. Getting solid tablet support would certainly move us closer to that back-of-the-napkin interface we all secretly desire. -j From mark at zopemag.com Fri Jan 7 14:13:22 2005 From: mark at zopemag.com (Mark Pratt) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:41 2007 Subject: Dear Santa In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <583B56EC-60F9-11D9-A657-000D932A0486@zopemag.com> Hmm, I loved my Newton too :-) This is an interesting discussion -- hadn't thought about OmniGraffle missing tablet support but it does make sense. My previous solution has been to draw it / scan it and then import into omnigraffle. But being able to draw directly in OmniGraffle Pro would be awesome. Cheers, Mark On Jan 7, 2005, at 10:19 PM, John Oram wrote: >> Wouldn't it be great to have at least one layer of Ink in OG where >> actually >> hand-drawn shapes (via tablet) could be kept and composited with >> vector >> shapes? Wouldn't it be better if OG could detect basic shape patterns >> and >> auto-map them to circles, squares, straight lines, etc? > > Now you are making me miss my Newton. :( The auto-draw feature in the > notepad was pretty sweet. In fact, that's one big reason why I > latched on to OmniGraffle -- it was the closest thing out there to the > Newton in many ways. > > My experiments with tablets and OG have been disastrous -- wild pen > motions ensure, and I just seem to end up selecting and deleting > everything. > > Getting solid tablet support would certainly move us closer to that > back-of-the-napkin interface we all secretly desire. > > -j > _______________________________________________ > OmniGraffle-Users mailing list > OmniGraffle-Users@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnigraffle-users > > From john at oram.com Fri Jan 7 16:43:49 2005 From: john at oram.com (John Oram) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:41 2007 Subject: Dear Santa In-Reply-To: <583B56EC-60F9-11D9-A657-000D932A0486@zopemag.com> References: <583B56EC-60F9-11D9-A657-000D932A0486@zopemag.com> Message-ID: I suspect the bigger issue is crappy drivers from Wacom and the tablet manufacturers, leading to limited uptake on Inkwell, leading to limited application support... Apple clearly needs to make a tablet. With a built in screen! Hmmm, that sounds familiar... :( -j At 11:13 PM +0100 1/7/05, Mark Pratt wrote: >Hmm, > >I loved my Newton too :-) > >This is an interesting discussion -- hadn't thought about >OmniGraffle missing tablet support but it does make sense. >My previous solution has been to draw it / scan it and then import >into omnigraffle. But being able to draw directly >in OmniGraffle Pro would be awesome. > >Cheers, > >Mark > >On Jan 7, 2005, at 10:19 PM, John Oram wrote: > >>>Wouldn't it be great to have at least one layer of Ink in OG where actually >>>hand-drawn shapes (via tablet) could be kept and composited with vector >>>shapes? Wouldn't it be better if OG could detect basic shape patterns and >>>auto-map them to circles, squares, straight lines, etc? >> >>Now you are making me miss my Newton. :( The auto-draw feature in >>the notepad was pretty sweet. In fact, that's one big reason why I >>latched on to OmniGraffle -- it was the closest thing out there to >>the Newton in many ways. >> >>My experiments with tablets and OG have been disastrous -- wild pen >>motions ensure, and I just seem to end up selecting and deleting >>everything. >> >>Getting solid tablet support would certainly move us closer to that >>back-of-the-napkin interface we all secretly desire. >> >>-j >>_______________________________________________ >>OmniGraffle-Users mailing list >>OmniGraffle-Users@omnigroup.com >>http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnigraffle-users >> > >_______________________________________________ >OmniGraffle-Users mailing list >OmniGraffle-Users@omnigroup.com >http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnigraffle-users From gwhittall at GPRC.ab.ca Sat Jan 8 15:54:03 2005 From: gwhittall at GPRC.ab.ca (Geoffrey Whittall) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:41 2007 Subject: Importing outliner 3 files In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Perhaps I missed it in an earlier discussion, so I have to ask. Does Omnigraffle 3.1.2 (v70) NOT import Outliner 3.0 (v109) files in their native format? The files are greyed out in the selection window, and I can't drop them on the OG icon to open them. Do I have to save them as Outliner 2 files so I can open them in Graffle? Thanks in advance for any answers. Geoff From nmeersschaert at mac.com Sun Jan 9 12:50:23 2005 From: nmeersschaert at mac.com (Niels Meersschaert) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:41 2007 Subject: Importing outliner 3 files In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <151C23D3-6280-11D9-B14B-00039366F656@mac.com> There is a beta of version 3.2 of OmniGraffle which does support OmniOutliner 3 files. You can either use the beta, or save them as Outliner 2 documents as you suggested till the final is released. On Jan 8, 2005, at 6:54 PM, Geoffrey Whittall wrote: > Perhaps I missed it in an earlier discussion, so I have to ask. > > Does Omnigraffle 3.1.2 (v70) NOT import Outliner 3.0 (v109) files in > their > native format? The files are greyed out in the selection window, and I > can't > drop them on the OG icon to open them. Do I have to save them as > Outliner 2 > files so I can open them in Graffle? > Thanks in advance for any answers. > Geoff > > _______________________________________________ > OmniGraffle-Users mailing list > OmniGraffle-Users@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnigraffle-users From nrswebmaster at cryt.net Wed Jan 12 08:54:47 2005 From: nrswebmaster at cryt.net (Robert Smith) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:41 2007 Subject: New shapes Message-ID: I am wanting to create a shape (which can fill properly with the radial gradient), like an egg. I have been able to do this using the line tool on 'curve' mode, but I am unable to fill shapes made using the line tool. I have also been able to do this using 2 semi circle shapes and so can fill each shape individually, but the gradients do not match and there are outlines where i do not want them. I need the gradients to match and an outline to the shape with no internal lines at the join. Is there any way of doing this on omnigraffle? I own version 2.2 and have a demo version of v3. Thanks Robert From larkost at softhome.net Wed Jan 12 09:10:43 2005 From: larkost at softhome.net (Karl Kuehn) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:41 2007 Subject: New shapes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Unfortunately OmniGraffle does not have a path tool (it has been requested on this list a few times), so the simple answer is no. However, if you are comfortable editing a few text files, and have some basic understanding of programming line drawing (or the willingness to figure it out) you can edit your own shapes files. The default file is at: /Applications/OmniGraffle.app/Contents/Resources/shapes.graffleshapes and there are a few posts in the archives that should help you get going (search for graffleshapes). I am pretty sure you can make your own shapes files. Karl Keuhn larkost@softhome.net On Jan 12, 2005, at 11:54 AM, Robert Smith wrote: > I am wanting to create a shape (which can fill properly with the > radial gradient), like an egg. > > I have been able to do this using the line tool on 'curve' mode, but I > am unable to fill shapes made using the line tool. > > I have also been able to do this using 2 semi circle shapes and so can > fill each shape individually, but the gradients do not match and there > are outlines where i do not want them. > > I need the gradients to match and an outline to the shape with no > internal lines at the join. Is there any way of doing this on > omnigraffle? > > I own version 2.2 and have a demo version of v3. From sgilbert92 at yahoo.com Fri Jan 14 05:39:24 2005 From: sgilbert92 at yahoo.com (Stephen Gilbert) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:41 2007 Subject: Export to/Save as OmniGraffle v2.1? Message-ID: <20050114133924.18715.qmail@web51609.mail.yahoo.com> Hi, I have OGPro. Is there a way I can export files to colleagues using the OmniGraffle that came bundled with their Mac? It'd be nice if they could open my files and edit them, even crudely, or be able to see my work as a locked layer that they could annotate. Thank you, Stephen From lists at mostrom.pp.se Fri Jan 14 05:58:11 2005 From: lists at mostrom.pp.se (Jan Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?Mostr=F6m?=) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:41 2007 Subject: Export to/Save as OmniGraffle v2.1? In-Reply-To: <20050114133924.18715.qmail@web51609.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On 2005-01-14 14:39, Stephen Gilbert wrote: > I have OGPro. Is there a way I can export files to colleagues using > the OmniGraffle that came bundled with their Mac? It'd be nice if they > could open my files and edit them, even crudely, or be able to see my > work as a locked layer that they could annotate. Would saving as a OO v2 file work? jem -- Jan Erik Mostr?m www.mostrom.pp.se From grant.jacobs at clear.net.nz Sun Jan 16 12:58:00 2005 From: grant.jacobs at clear.net.nz (Grant Jacobs) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:41 2007 Subject: Reading MacDraw (II 1.1) files Message-ID: I'm trying to give Classic the flick but first need to find OSX apps capable of reading some types of files. OmniGraffle has been suggested as a replacement for the MacDraw, etc., style of program, yet the demo of OmniGraffle can't seem to open MacDraw (II 1.1) files... Given all the elements (vector objects, grouping, layers, etc) in MacDraw seem to be present in OmniGraffle, this is a little disappointing. (Since the elements are in common, you'd like to think that mapping the file formats wouldn't too difficult.) Is there any intention to make this work so that user trying to get off Classic can migrate sensibly? Or is there some other program that can do this? GraphicConverter doesn't read these files either (it will read the older MacDraw I format). As a last resort, is there some program that will convert these files to, say,PDF so that at least these images can be held for the record. Grant -- -------------------------------------------------------- Grant Jacobs grant.jacobs@clear.net.nz Dunedin, ph. +64 3 478 0095 NEW ZEALAND. fax. +64 3 470 0095 From grant.jacobs at clear.net.nz Sun Jan 16 14:42:31 2005 From: grant.jacobs at clear.net.nz (Grant Jacobs) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:41 2007 Subject: Reading MacDraw (II 1.1) files Message-ID: After more hunting around, I have a partial solution of to my problem outlined in my previous post. MacDraw II will still work under Classic, but only if the screen is set to "Thousands" of colors rather than "Millions". (I couldn't get it to run, hence I was looking at reading files, vs. opening them then saving in alternative formats.) From MacDraw II you can save work as PICT format files. GraphicConverter can read in PICT files and convert them to GIF or JPEG. I now need an AppleScript to convert each of the files into PICT then (say) JPEG format for archival purposes... It'd still be much nicer if OG could just read them in all the same. It'd be less hassle and I'd be able to use the old diagrams - some of them are still useful. At least the worst case is covered now. Grant >I'm trying to give Classic the flick but first need to find OSX apps >capable of reading some types of files. OmniGraffle has been >suggested as a replacement for the MacDraw, etc., style of program, >yet the demo of OmniGraffle can't seem to open MacDraw (II 1.1) >files... Given all the elements (vector objects, grouping, layers, >etc) in MacDraw seem to be present in OmniGraffle, this is a little >disappointing. (Since the elements are in common, you'd like to >think that mapping the file formats wouldn't too difficult.) Is >there any intention to make this work so that user trying to get off >Classic can migrate sensibly? Or is there some other program that >can do this? > >GraphicConverter doesn't read these files either (it will read the >older MacDraw I format). > >As a last resort, is there some program that will convert these >files to, say,PDF so that at least these images can be held for the >record. -- -------------------------------------------------------- Grant Jacobs grant.jacobs@clear.net.nz Dunedin, ph. +64 3 478 0095 NEW ZEALAND. fax. +64 3 470 0095 From matsakis at mit.edu Mon Jan 17 12:27:15 2005 From: matsakis at mit.edu (Nick Matsakis) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:41 2007 Subject: Reading MacDraw (II 1.1) files In-Reply-To: <200501172000.j0HK0KZR003695@slowbro.omnigroup.com> References: <200501172000.j0HK0KZR003695@slowbro.omnigroup.com> Message-ID: Grant Jacobs wrote: > From MacDraw II you can save work as PICT format files. > GraphicConverter can read in PICT files and convert them to GIF or JPEG. You don't want to convert PICT to GIF or JPEG, that will likely result in a noticable loss of quality: GIF has a limited color palette and JPEG doesn't do well with vector art unless you use a very high quality setting. PICT is supported by Preview/Quartz and will likely be available on the Mac for a long time to come. If you want to share with people on other platforms, PNG is a good format. Nick From Zevviegrace at aol.com Mon Jan 17 22:02:36 2005 From: Zevviegrace at aol.com (Zevviegrace@aol.com) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:41 2007 Subject: Trouble with Font Inspector Message-ID: <158.48590d3c.2f1e007c@aol.com> Hi, Just got a G5 iMac, and Omnigraffle 3. When I try to change fonts, or even try to use font inspector I get this message *** -[NSCFArray insertObject:atIndex:]: attempt to insert nil Any thoughts on this? thanks th From grant.jacobs at clear.net.nz Mon Jan 17 23:52:47 2005 From: grant.jacobs at clear.net.nz (Grant Jacobs) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:41 2007 Subject: Reading MacDraw (II 1.1) files Message-ID: (Excuse me if this long ramble wastes bandwidth.) Firstly, thanks to those who pointed out alternative applications and approaches off-list. Secondly, I suppose I'm to assume the silence from Omni staff means that they are busy being ostriches (i.e. they'd prefer to ignore that this is something some clients are looking for). ;-) (Yes, I know you've a lot on your plate but the whole point in this was to find out if Omni had any intention to implement this...) To finish, a short wish list from my (very quick) trial. You're welcome to correct me if I've missed something. 1. Reading vector file formats Reading other vector files formats, in my case MacDraw II 1.1, but there are others I'm sure other people would like to see support for. After all if OG is to replace these older programs, it'd do well to read in the files they created... 2. Placeholders hide object lines That the placeholders/handles (not sure what to call them - the little blue boxes that appear when an object is selected) were to lie *behind* the selected object or were opaque, so that they don't hide the corners. Its clumsy to align objects by eye at present as the user has to keep unselecting the object in order to see what lies behind the handles. This forces users into a trial and error cycle. (Ditto for curved lines - its hard to judge tight turns with the large dots on over line; it'd be better if they were under it or translucent.) Perhaps preferences setting the colour and opaque-ness of these is in order? 3. Images The ability to cut/crop images imported into OG. AFAICT on a short trial, it looks as if I have to use some other application like EasyCrop to do this prior to importing them. I can't (yet) seem to move the images around when placed within an object which ought achieve a similar effect. The manual indicates this is possible, but not how. I suspect the manual means that you're supposed to drag he image within the "well" (as they call it), not the actual image, but dragging either has no effect in my hands. Applying various alt-, cmd- variations with the drag has no effect in either place. It'd be nice to see finer control of the scale of images - the current one is quite clumsy really. Other (molecular) graphics application I've used use (say) alt-cmd-mouse drag to resize/scale and a similar drag to move. Add a scale bar to set the movement/scaling "speed" allow fast/slow scaling or dragging under this and fine control is possible. 4. Magnets on lines? I'd be curious to know if anyone has use for magnets on lines as well as shaped objects. I haven't experimented enough to have a feel for this, but I would have thought that there would be some application for this - ? 5. Hand tool The 'Hand' tool doesn't seem to work - ? 6. Encouragement for new features Free copies for those who suggest new features that get incorporated into the product. :-) After all, its IP worth sales to Omni... Having said all this its an elegant application, but I'm going to leave it aside until I've solved porting my old files first. Grant -- -------------------------------------------------------- Grant Jacobs grant.jacobs@clear.net.nz Dunedin, ph. +64 3 478 0095 NEW ZEALAND. fax. +64 3 470 0095 From chris.ridd at isode.com Tue Jan 18 00:13:29 2005 From: chris.ridd at isode.com (Chris Ridd) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:41 2007 Subject: Reading MacDraw (II 1.1) files In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 18/1/05 7:52 am, Grant Jacobs wrote: > 1. Reading vector file formats > Reading other vector files formats, in my case MacDraw II 1.1, but > there are others I'm sure other people would like to see support for. > After all if OG is to replace these older programs, it'd do well to > read in the files they created... Have you tried MacDraft? It claims to import MacDraw II files. I don't know what it can export to - probably not OG in any case - but perhaps it'll go to EPS or PDF. > 2. Placeholders hide object lines > That the placeholders/handles (not sure what to call them - the > little blue boxes that appear when an object is selected) were to lie > *behind* the selected object or were opaque, so that they don't hide > the corners. Its clumsy to align objects by eye at present as the > user has to keep unselecting the object in order to see what lies > behind the handles. This forces users into a trial and error cycle. Have you tried using the smart alignment guides? Cheers, Chris From abl at pacifier.com Wed Jan 19 06:58:08 2005 From: abl at pacifier.com (A B L) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:41 2007 Subject: Auto dimensioning lines? Message-ID: Hello this may be a simple question, but I can't find the answer in the Help or the archives.... how can I get a line to show its own dimension as I draw it? I.e. an automatically generated label with the line dimension? Thanks. From grant.jacobs at clear.net.nz Wed Jan 19 15:25:30 2005 From: grant.jacobs at clear.net.nz (Grant Jacobs) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:41 2007 Subject: Reading MacDraw (II 1.1) files (Grant Jacobs) Message-ID: I'd like to apologise to anyone I offended by my previous post. I included a wink in the offending sentence to indicate it wasn't to be taken literally, but at least one reader seems upset about it. It wasn't the best choice of phrases with the result that the intended tone is too easily misread. Nick, thanks for pointing out issues re saving to other formats. On top of the issues you raise, several programs that do read in the MacDraw files seem to have trouble keeping the objects aligned correctly or have issues with fonts. The most accurate approach I've found so far is to directly save to EPS from MacDraw (via Print) and use Preview (or other program) to convert these to PDF. Obviously I can't use the objects within the files as I could if the contents of the files could be read into OG (say). One program (EazyDraw) imports most, but not all, of the files accurately. Given its only US$20 for 9 months, to do basic vector drawing with that in the interim. Thanks again to all those who replied. Grant -- -------------------------------------------------------- Grant Jacobs grant.jacobs@clear.net.nz Dunedin, ph. +64 3 478 0095 NEW ZEALAND. fax. +64 3 470 0095 From sgilbert92 at yahoo.com Thu Jan 20 13:24:43 2005 From: sgilbert92 at yahoo.com (Stephen Gilbert) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:41 2007 Subject: how to select a graphic under a text box? Message-ID: <20050120212443.40143.qmail@web51608.mail.yahoo.com> Hi all, If I have a text box with various small graphics inside/underneath it, is there an easy way to select one of those graphics without catching the textbox? This often happens...I end up sliding in from outside the textbox with a long thin bounding box and holding the option key. Stephen From larkost at softhome.net Thu Jan 20 14:37:17 2005 From: larkost at softhome.net (Karl Kuehn) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:41 2007 Subject: how to select a graphic under a text box? In-Reply-To: <20050120212443.40143.qmail@web51608.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050120212443.40143.qmail@web51608.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I would probably be using layers to do this. Karl Keuhn larkost@softhome.net On Jan 20, 2005, at 4:24 PM, Stephen Gilbert wrote: > If I have a text box with various small graphics inside/underneath it, > is there an easy way to select one of those graphics without catching > the textbox? > > This often happens...I end up sliding in from outside the textbox with > a long thin bounding box and holding the option key. From paco at paco.to Fri Jan 21 08:54:35 2005 From: paco at paco.to (Paco Hope) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:41 2007 Subject: how to select a graphic under a text box? In-Reply-To: References: <20050120212443.40143.qmail@web51608.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20050121114529.J32251@www.provisio.net> On Thu, 20 Jan 2005, Karl Kuehn wrote: > I would probably be using layers to do this. Given that you've already got a bunch of text over top of graphics and you want to fix this generally, I'd recommend: 1. select one of the bits of text. 2. Right-click (or Ctrl-click) it and choose "select similar graphics" 3. Unselect anything that might have been overzealously selected 4. Put them on another layer, a. cut them b. Open the layer inspector and click the + to get another layer. c. click on the layer in the inspector to select it. d. Paste. Things will probably paste in a slightly different location than where they started. Using the arrow keys (or holding shift while using the arrow keys), you should be able to nudge them back into the right place. 5. In the Layer inspector, click the small padlock next to the layer that has all the text on it. That layer is now locked and no objects on that layer can be selected. You can move whole layers with the layer inspector so that the layer with all the text is in front of the layer with all the graphics. This is definitely the easiest way to control what can get selected and what can't. Regards, Paco -- Paco Hope http://paco.to/ From sgilbert92 at yahoo.com Fri Jan 21 09:23:25 2005 From: sgilbert92 at yahoo.com (Stephen Gilbert) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:41 2007 Subject: how to select a graphic under a text box? In-Reply-To: <20050121114529.J32251@www.provisio.net> Message-ID: <20050121172325.86407.qmail@web51608.mail.yahoo.com> Thank you Paco and Karl! I haven't used Layers as much as I clearly could. Stephen --- Paco Hope wrote: > On Thu, 20 Jan 2005, Karl Kuehn wrote: > > I would probably be using layers to do this. > > Given that you've already got a bunch of text over top of graphics > and > you want to fix this generally, I'd recommend: > > 1. select one of the bits of text. > > 2. Right-click (or Ctrl-click) it and choose "select similar > graphics" > > 3. Unselect anything that might have been overzealously selected > > 4. Put them on another layer, > a. cut them > b. Open the layer inspector and click the + to get another layer. > c. click on the layer in the inspector to select it. > d. Paste. Things will probably paste in a slightly different > location > than where they started. Using the arrow keys (or holding shift > while using the arrow keys), you should be able to nudge them > back > into the right place. > > 5. In the Layer inspector, click the small padlock next to the layer > that > has all the text on it. That layer is now locked and no objects > on > that layer can be selected. > > You can move whole layers with the layer inspector so that the layer > with > all the text is in front of the layer with all the graphics. This is > definitely the easiest way to control what can get selected and what > can't. > > Regards, > Paco > -- > Paco Hope > http://paco.to/ > From john.gersh at jhuapl.edu Fri Jan 21 12:32:42 2005 From: john.gersh at jhuapl.edu (John Gersh) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:42 2007 Subject: how to select a graphic under a text box? In-Reply-To: <20050120212443.40143.qmail@web51608.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050120212443.40143.qmail@web51608.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: There are a couple of ways to do this without making a new layer, but they work only in particular situations: If each of the obscured items has a unique combination of style settings, then you can select one using the Selecton and Style inspector. If you want to select an object in order to edit its text, you can use shift-tab to cycle through all the objects' text areas. (After shift-tab gets the first one, you can actually use just tab from then on.) - John Gersh At 1:24 PM -0800 1/20/05, Stephen Gilbert wrote: >Hi all, > >If I have a text box with various small graphics inside/underneath it, >is there an easy way to select one of those graphics without catching >the textbox? > >This often happens...I end up sliding in from outside the textbox with >a long thin bounding box and holding the option key. > >Stephen > > >_______________________________________________ >OmniGraffle-Users mailing list >OmniGraffle-Users@omnigroup.com >http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnigraffle-users From dave at daveburgess.ca Sun Jan 23 12:56:49 2005 From: dave at daveburgess.ca (Dave Burgess) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:42 2007 Subject: eps2graffleshapes Converter Message-ID: <4CEC134B-6D81-11D9-9536-000A9594A6EC@daveburgess.ca> From a long time listener, first time caller: This is for all of those people who have wanted a (reasonably) simple and automatic way to convert eps files into OmniGraffle Shapes. Currently requires Adobe Illustrator, but I hope to add Freehand compatibility soon. Everything is explained on the site. This is only beta, but it seems to work well?even with extremely complex designs. http://www.daveburgess.ca/og/ Hope you find it useful. /dave From listera at rcn.com Sun Jan 23 20:55:05 2005 From: listera at rcn.com (Listera) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:42 2007 Subject: Keynote 2 Message-ID: So what's the status of OG3 -> Keynote2 export? Ziya From ajmalton at uwaterloo.ca Wed Jan 26 09:01:33 2005 From: ajmalton at uwaterloo.ca (Andrew Malton) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:42 2007 Subject: Find and Replace In-Reply-To: <200501242000.j0OK0eZR009005@slowbro.omnigroup.com> References: <200501242000.j0OK0eZR009005@slowbro.omnigroup.com> Message-ID: I don't think there's a way to apply Find or Replace to all Canvases, right? Could it be added as an option on the Find Panel? AJM From programmingosx at mac.com Thu Jan 27 13:57:31 2005 From: programmingosx at mac.com (David Holt) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:42 2007 Subject: Programatically generating an omnigraffle diagram Message-ID: Hello, I would like create an applescript to programatically generate a process flow diagram from a database. Is it possible? The data I am currently capturing in the database are: type of shape (decision, end point, process), previous shape, next shape, shape title. What else would I have to include to get the shapes on a diagram with proper lines/arrow heads? I had a look at the applescript to generate a simple box. How much of this is necessary? Could I possible generate origins on the fly? I tried running the following script with no origin defined and the shape drew in the upper left hand corner. Here is the applescript: tell front document of application "OmniGraffle Professional" tell page 1 make new shape at end of graphics with properties {magnets: {{0, 1}, {0, -1}, {1, 0}, {-1, 0}}, draws shadow: false, origin: {64.000000, 103.000000}, size: {135.000000, 132.000000}} end tell end tell thanks, David From paco at paco.to Thu Jan 27 14:17:45 2005 From: paco at paco.to (Paco Hope) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:42 2007 Subject: Programatically generating an omnigraffle diagram In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20050127171144.K37415@www.provisio.net> On Thu, 27 Jan 2005, David Holt wrote: > I would like create an applescript to programatically generate a > process flow diagram from a database. Is it possible? I recommend using OmniGraffle's built-in support for graphviz. (http://www.graphviz.org/). You can do a bunch of different things in that language by building a text file that looks something like this: digraph "g" { a -> b; b -> c; b -> d; a [shape = "circle", color="red", label="My label" ]; } Using your automated process to spit out this kind of syntax in a plain text file, then you can open it in OmniGraffle. OmniGraffle can do a variety of nice auto-layouts of the data, and you can clean things up. Graphviz is ugly in its raw form, but it does the automatic connectivity stuff really well. I found a lot of little gotchas, though, with OmniGraffle's support. Things like font size and line width being weakly supported. I can't remember well, but back in June 2004 I was trying to diagram software this way and depict inter-module dependencies. I remember choosing the size of the circle and its line width as indicators because other characteristics that are expressible in graphviz syntax weren't support by OG. Hope that helps, Paco -- Paco Hope http://paco.to/ From programmingosx at mac.com Thu Jan 27 15:07:21 2005 From: programmingosx at mac.com (David Holt) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:42 2007 Subject: Programatically generating an omnigraffle diagram In-Reply-To: <20050127171144.K37415@www.provisio.net> References: <20050127171144.K37415@www.provisio.net> Message-ID: <92ef08f50dface98e9ab94366ebdae34@mac.com> That is awesome, and exactly what I was looking for. Thanks very much! Also thanks for the entry on your blog that goes into it in more detail. I can't believe how easy that is! David -- For a long time it had seemed to me that life was about to begin - real life. But there was always some obstacle in the way, something to be gotten through first, some unfinished business, time still to be served, or a debt to be paid. Then life would begin. At last it dawned on me that these obstacles were my life. Alfred D. Souza from Sunbeams: http://www.thesunmagazine.org On 27 Jan 2005, at 2:17 PM, Paco Hope wrote: > On Thu, 27 Jan 2005, David Holt wrote: >> I would like create an applescript to programatically generate a >> process flow diagram from a database. Is it possible? > > I recommend using OmniGraffle's built-in support for graphviz. > (http://www.graphviz.org/). You can do a bunch of different things in > that language by building a text file that looks something like this: > > digraph "g" { > a -> b; > b -> c; > b -> d; > > a [shape = "circle", color="red", label="My label" ]; > } > > Using your automated process to spit out this kind of syntax in a plain > text file, then you can open it in OmniGraffle. OmniGraffle can do a > variety of nice auto-layouts of the data, and you can clean things up. > Graphviz is ugly in its raw form, but it does the automatic > connectivity > stuff really well. > > I found a lot of little gotchas, though, with OmniGraffle's support. > Things like font size and line width being weakly supported. I can't > remember well, but back in June 2004 I was trying to diagram software > this > way and depict inter-module dependencies. I remember choosing the > size of > the circle and its line width as indicators because other > characteristics > that are expressible in graphviz syntax weren't support by OG. > > Hope that helps, > Paco > -- > Paco Hope > http://paco.to/ > _______________________________________________ > OmniGraffle-Users mailing list > OmniGraffle-Users@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnigraffle-users > From frenchchef at mac.com Fri Jan 28 16:18:03 2005 From: frenchchef at mac.com (David Parker) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:42 2007 Subject: displaying multiple inspectors Message-ID: <3DE739B8-718B-11D9-B38B-0030654DA72A@mac.com> I'm taking the Omnigraffle tutorial and need to drag a fill color from the Fill Inspector to the color of the Stroke Inspector. Both are "panes" (for lack of a better word) on the same inspector. Making one visible makes the other one invisible. Is there a way to tear off one of the panes so that I can have both displayed at the same time to complete the drag drop operation? dave -- iChatAV ready From elliott at yrl.co.uk Fri Jan 28 16:28:41 2005 From: elliott at yrl.co.uk (Elliott Roper) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:42 2007 Subject: displaying multiple inspectors In-Reply-To: <3DE739B8-718B-11D9-B38B-0030654DA72A@mac.com> References: <3DE739B8-718B-11D9-B38B-0030654DA72A@mac.com> Message-ID: <8d1fc809048d0c65e5d15e05e060b799@yrl.co.uk> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 29- Jan-2005, at 00:18, David Parker wrote: > I'm taking the Omnigraffle tutorial and need to drag a fill color from > the Fill Inspector to the color of the Stroke Inspector. Both are > "panes" (for lack of a better word) on the same inspector. Making one > visible makes the other one invisible. > > Is there a way to tear off one of the panes so that I can have both > displayed at the same time to complete the drag drop operation? > Round here, they will both stay open if there is enough height on the screen. The colour inspector that leaps out whenever you hit the palette on either fill or stroke takes up so much space that one or the other closes to make room for it. The workaround is the inspectors can be undocked. Drag the colour inspector away before opening both the others. Or for that matter isolate one of the others. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 8.1 iQA/AwUBQfrYzn5cqeSOWeJIEQIMCQCfc3grn5bwDK1Cu+K3RsYHm+8hpoMAoNrL 7DiuhGG1YYC6DXquYLGDhyML =wBqg -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From frenchchef at mac.com Fri Jan 28 18:21:57 2005 From: frenchchef at mac.com (David Parker) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:42 2007 Subject: displaying multiple inspectors In-Reply-To: <8d1fc809048d0c65e5d15e05e060b799@yrl.co.uk> References: <3DE739B8-718B-11D9-B38B-0030654DA72A@mac.com> <8d1fc809048d0c65e5d15e05e060b799@yrl.co.uk> Message-ID: <8CE8A0D1-719C-11D9-8CF1-0030654DA72A@mac.com> Thanks. Both now works for me too. I moved the inspectors around to make more room and then dropped down both Fill and Stroke. Also, I played around with breaking apart the inspector groups. With all closed, I dragged one of them until the small close button appeared and the grouping was pulling away to make two separate inspectors. dave -- iChatAV ready On Jan 28, 2005, at 7:28 PM, Elliott Roper wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > > On 29- Jan-2005, at 00:18, David Parker wrote: > >> I'm taking the Omnigraffle tutorial and need to drag a fill color from >> the Fill Inspector to the color of the Stroke Inspector. Both are >> "panes" (for lack of a better word) on the same inspector. Making one >> visible makes the other one invisible. >> >> Is there a way to tear off one of the panes so that I can have both >> displayed at the same time to complete the drag drop operation? >> > Round here, they will both stay open if there is enough height on the > screen. The colour inspector that leaps out whenever you hit the > palette on either fill or stroke takes up so much space that one or the > other closes to make room for it. > The workaround is the inspectors can be undocked. Drag the colour > inspector away before opening both the others. Or for that matter > isolate one of the others. > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: PGP 8.1 > > iQA/AwUBQfrYzn5cqeSOWeJIEQIMCQCfc3grn5bwDK1Cu+K3RsYHm+8hpoMAoNrL > 7DiuhGG1YYC6DXquYLGDhyML > =wBqg > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > _______________________________________________ > OmniGraffle-Users mailing list > OmniGraffle-Users@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnigraffle-users > From dave at daveburgess.ca Sun Jan 30 11:34:08 2005 From: dave at daveburgess.ca (Dave Burgess) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:42 2007 Subject: eps2graffleshapes Converter now supports FreeHand Message-ID: <57c4eef5252cea828d40f06c00bb3210@daveburgess.ca> Files exported from Macromedia FreeHand can now be converted to Shapes for use with OmniGraffle. This is in addition to earlier support for eps files generated in Adobe Illustrator. Everything is explained on the site. http://www.daveburgess.ca/og/ The converter remains beta, but I have had great success with very complex designs. For example: http://www.daveburgess.ca/og/unsymbol.png Hope you find it useful. /dave From chris.ridd at isode.com Sun Jan 30 11:50:34 2005 From: chris.ridd at isode.com (Chris Ridd) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:42 2007 Subject: eps2graffleshapes Converter now supports FreeHand In-Reply-To: <57c4eef5252cea828d40f06c00bb3210@daveburgess.ca> Message-ID: On 30/1/05 7:34 pm, Dave Burgess wrote: > Files exported from Macromedia FreeHand can now be converted to Shapes > for use with OmniGraffle. > > This is in addition to earlier support for eps files generated in Adobe > Illustrator. Everything is explained on the site. > > http://www.daveburgess.ca/og/ > > The converter remains beta, but I have had great success with very > complex designs. > For example: > > http://www.daveburgess.ca/og/unsymbol.png > > Hope you find it useful. I've tried the Illustrator version a bit, and it seems to work well. How do your pages work, Dave? Cheers, Chris From dave at daveburgess.ca Sun Jan 30 13:19:05 2005 From: dave at daveburgess.ca (Dave Burgess) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:42 2007 Subject: eps2graffleshapes Converter now supports FreeHand Message-ID: <8e148123d1ed2b3d4924060b5940d163@daveburgess.ca> On 30/1/05 7:50 pm, Chris Ridd wrote: > I've tried the Illustrator version a bit, and it seems to work well. > How do > your pages work, Dave? Nothing more than a simple PHP script that interprets some basic PostScript elements (the more basic and non-proprietary the better) and plugs XML-based formating around them. It could all be done by hand, but why bother. The main reason for the converter using only old eps file formatting is their lack of "extra" and "unnecessary" proprietary code--code often nestled within more contemporary formats. /dave From dave at daveburgess.ca Thu Feb 3 12:08:23 2005 From: dave at daveburgess.ca (Dave Burgess) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:42 2007 Subject: eps2graffleshapes Converter now supports OG generated eps Message-ID: <4a423db632195f3398a3ab10e449bd83@daveburgess.ca> You can now design new shapes from within OmniGraffle and convert these designs to actual Shapes for use with OmniGraffle. Don't quite follow what I mean? Everything is explained on the site. http://www.daveburgess.ca/og/ Hope you find it useful. /dave From john at oram.com Fri Feb 4 16:19:10 2005 From: john at oram.com (John Oram) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:42 2007 Subject: setting text from a shape via applescript Message-ID: I'd like read the text of shapes via an AppleScript in the Action Inspector. I can set the name of the shape: set text of self to "Bob" But I can't seem to read it: set x to text of self (I get NSCannotCreateScriptCommandError) In case you're wondering, I am trying to create a "smart circle" -- I'd like to draw a circle, enter a number, and then redraw that circle with a radius properly reflecting its area. Below is my test case, but if I can't read the text to begin with... set x to name of self set area to x as integer set radius to sqrt (area / pi) set diameter to 2 * radius set properties of self to {size:{diameter, diameter}} Any ideas/hints are appreciated. Checked the archives, samples, etc. Thanks, John From greg at omnigroup.com Fri Feb 4 16:33:04 2005 From: greg at omnigroup.com (Greg Titus) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:42 2007 Subject: setting text from a shape via applescript In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7F8A3E7C-770D-11D9-8FF5-000A95A7856A@omnigroup.com> Hi John, Your problem is just that "x" is a part of the dictionary of OmniGraffle (the x position of a point), so the AppleScript parser is trying to set the X property on the OmniGraffle application object, which doesn't have any such property. If you just change your "x" into "z" or something in your script, then the problem goes away. Hope this helps, - Greg On Feb 4, 2005, at 4:19 PM, John Oram wrote: > I'd like read the text of shapes via an AppleScript in the Action > Inspector. > > I can set the name of the shape: > > set text of self to "Bob" > > But I can't seem to read it: > > set x to text of self > > (I get NSCannotCreateScriptCommandError) > > In case you're wondering, I am trying to create a "smart circle" -- > I'd like to draw a circle, enter a number, and then redraw that circle > with a radius properly reflecting its area. > > Below is my test case, but if I can't read the text to begin with... > > set x to name of self > set area to x as integer > set radius to sqrt (area / pi) > set diameter to 2 * radius > set properties of self to {size:{diameter, diameter}} > > Any ideas/hints are appreciated. Checked the archives, samples, etc. > > Thanks, > John From greg at omnigroup.com Fri Feb 4 16:36:18 2005 From: greg at omnigroup.com (Greg Titus) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:42 2007 Subject: setting text from a shape via applescript In-Reply-To: <7F8A3E7C-770D-11D9-8FF5-000A95A7856A@omnigroup.com> References: <7F8A3E7C-770D-11D9-8FF5-000A95A7856A@omnigroup.com> Message-ID: By the way, the way to notice this kind of thing is to compile the script and see that "x" is in blue (meaning a keyword) rather than in green (for a variable name). - Greg On Feb 4, 2005, at 4:33 PM, Greg Titus wrote: > Hi John, > > Your problem is just that "x" is a part of the dictionary of > OmniGraffle (the x position of a point), so the AppleScript parser is > trying to set the X property on the OmniGraffle application object, > which doesn't have any such property. If you just change your "x" into > "z" or something in your script, then the problem goes away. > > Hope this helps, > - Greg > > On Feb 4, 2005, at 4:19 PM, John Oram wrote: > >> I'd like read the text of shapes via an AppleScript in the Action >> Inspector. >> >> I can set the name of the shape: >> >> set text of self to "Bob" >> >> But I can't seem to read it: >> >> set x to text of self >> >> (I get NSCannotCreateScriptCommandError) >> >> In case you're wondering, I am trying to create a "smart circle" -- >> I'd like to draw a circle, enter a number, and then redraw that >> circle with a radius properly reflecting its area. >> >> Below is my test case, but if I can't read the text to begin with... >> >> set x to name of self >> set area to x as integer >> set radius to sqrt (area / pi) >> set diameter to 2 * radius >> set properties of self to {size:{diameter, diameter}} >> >> Any ideas/hints are appreciated. Checked the archives, samples, etc. >> >> Thanks, >> John From john at oram.com Sat Feb 5 15:45:26 2005 From: john at oram.com (John Oram) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:42 2007 Subject: setting text from a shape via applescript In-Reply-To: References: <7F8A3E7C-770D-11D9-8FF5-000A95A7856A@omnigroup.com> Message-ID: Hey Greg- Thanks, that fixed it. I think an "area" box in the Geometry Inspector would be pretty cool. :) Here's the quick and dirty version. Paste this in the action inspector. Add a number to a circle. Click with the action arrow, and presto, the circle scales to that area. set z to the text of self set area to z as integer if area < 0 then set area to area * -1 end if set diameter to 2 * ((area / pi) ^ 0.5) set diameter to diameter * 10 set properties of self to {size:{diameter, diameter}} I haven't quite figured out the units the properties{size:{}} uses -- is it points? Pixels? Based on the document prefs? Multiplying by 10 is pretty arbitrary, but the scale works for what I'm doing. Here's the fancy version that will turn the circle blue and the text white for positive numbers; and turns the circle red and the text black for negative numbers. If it doesn't see just a number, it will prompt you for one. It also appends "cash" or "debt" accordingly, and glues on a "$" and "m" to the number itself. (Don't worry, I don't use the "m" for personal use, only business use... :) It's good for comparing debt/equity ratios. Big blue circle, small red circle: good. Big red circle, small blue circle: bad.) I've also created a stencil that you can download at http://oram.com/omni/SmartCircle (you probably will have to option-click...) Any comments / suggestions / discoveries of flaws in logic are welcome. set z to the text of self try set area to z as integer on error display dialog "Enter a positive number for cash, or a negative number for debt:" default answer "100" set z to the text returned of the result set area to z as integer end try if area < 0 then set area to area * -1 end if set diameter to 2 * ((area / pi) ^ 0.5) set diameter to diameter * 10 set properties of self to {size:{diameter, diameter}} if z < 0 then set fill color of self to {1, 0, 0} set text of self to "$" & area & "m\rdebt" set color of text of self to {1, 1, 1} else set fill color of self to {0, 0, 1} set text of self to "$" & area & "m\rcash" set color of text of self to {1, 1, 1} end if set text placement of self to top set alignment of text of self to center set size of text of self to 9 From john at oram.com Sun Feb 6 20:23:40 2005 From: john at oram.com (John Oram) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:42 2007 Subject: Smart Shapes Message-ID: I've polished up the AppleScript that scales shapes based on relative area. I've posted these Smart Shapes as a stencil: http://oram.com/omni/SmartShapes/SmartShapes.html You now can choose amongst such varied shapes such as squares, circles and equilateral triangles. -john From i97_bed at i.kth.se Mon Feb 7 05:03:54 2005 From: i97_bed at i.kth.se (david bonde) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:42 2007 Subject: Object labels Message-ID: Two questions about objects text labels: 1. How can I control how labels (right now, mainly from the network palette) behave? Typically I want to put a name on a workstation. Now even short names like 'Anna' won't fit horizontally and hence are split on two lines. This is ugly. I much prefer them to be centered to the object and 'spill over' on each side of the object. 2. If I pick a dark object (e.g., a first generation G4) and manually add a text object on top of it (as a workaround for[1]) it is difficult to read black text on it due to the dark background. However, changing the text color to white doesn't improve the situation, because, obviously, then you can't read the text that is outside the object where the background is white... I'd like to do what they do on subtitled movies: have an outline around the text with an opposite color (white in this case) to improve the readability. I have experimented with shadows but without success. Any suggestions? Thanks -- A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail? From john at oram.com Mon Feb 7 05:26:25 2005 From: john at oram.com (John Oram) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:42 2007 Subject: Object labels In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Ahhh, text labels, my nemesis... You can uncheck wrap to shape in the text inspector -- that will let it spill out to the left and right, which I think is what you're after. Re drop shadows, Apple has them built in. You can get to them by the font control panel. cmd-t, but I had to make the pane wider in order to see the shadow control widget the first time around. Unfortunately, while you can change the angle and diffusion, you do not seem to be able to control the *colour* of the drop shadow, much to my chagrin. It's greyish black. I'd love white drop shadows for the same reason as you -- black letters and white drop shadow would be visible on just about any background. If you do figure out how to change the text shadow colour, let me know. I usually end up placing the cursor before the label and hitting enter a half dozen times to drop it right below the border of the same to get that readable Mac icon effect. -j At 2:03 PM +0100 2/7/05, david bonde wrote: >Two questions about objects text labels: > >1. How can I control how labels (right now, mainly from the network >palette) behave? Typically I want to put a name on a workstation. >Now even short names like 'Anna' won't fit horizontally and hence >are split on two lines. This is ugly. I much prefer them to be >centered to the object and 'spill over' on each side of the object. > >2. If I pick a dark object (e.g., a first generation G4) and >manually add a text object on top of it (as a workaround for[1]) it >is difficult to read black text on it due to the dark background. >However, changing the text color to white doesn't improve the >situation, because, obviously, then you can't read the text that is >outside the object where the background is white... I'd like to do >what they do on subtitled movies: have an outline around the text >with an opposite color (white in this case) to improve the >readability. I have experimented with shadows but without success. >Any suggestions? > >Thanks > >-- >A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. >Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? >A: Top-posting. >Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail? >_______________________________________________ >OmniGraffle-Users mailing list >OmniGraffle-Users@omnigroup.com >http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnigraffle-users From john at oram.com Mon Feb 7 13:06:09 2005 From: john at oram.com (John Oram) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:42 2007 Subject: Dumb Shapes Message-ID: Whoops, my apologies -- discovered a bug in SmartShapes that causes OG to crash. I'll get a new version up ASAP. In the meantime, the basic logic does work for circles: set z to the text of self set area to z as integer if area < 0 then set area to area * -1 end if set diameter to 2 * ((area / pi) ^ 0.5) set diameter to diameter * 10 set properties of self to {size:{diameter, diameter}} -j From john at oram.com Mon Feb 7 23:08:48 2005 From: john at oram.com (John Oram) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:42 2007 Subject: Smart Shapes, redux Message-ID: OK, it really works this time. I assumed I could change the text colour via AppleScript, but this didn't work too well. My apologies if I caused crashes or other inconveniences. Anyway, here is v1.1 of Smart Shapes: a circle, square and triangle that take area as an argument and size accordingly and proportionally. http://oram.com/omni/SmartShapes -john From Chris.Janicki at ia-inc.com Tue Feb 8 18:19:47 2005 From: Chris.Janicki at ia-inc.com (Chris Janicki) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:42 2007 Subject: help wanted; technical illustration; near Boston Message-ID: <404652c75cf28418c718719c33e794ad@ia-inc.com> Is anyone in the Boston area interested in contract work creating technical illustrations with OmniGraffle? We are currently working on a user manual and training materials for our Augur 4 software product. We could use a hand with the illustration effort. See the following link for examples of what we'd need: http://ia-inc.com/augur/architecture.jsp Must be able to occasionally meet at our Cambridge office, near the Kendall T stop. Please send any relevant examples/experience. Thanks, Chris Janicki 617-475-1610 Industrious Activities, Inc. One Broadway, 14th Floor Cambridge, MA 02142 http://www.ia-inc.com From akwuellner at civiltechinc.com Wed Feb 9 12:14:37 2005 From: akwuellner at civiltechinc.com (Adam K.Wuellner) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:42 2007 Subject: some AppleScript code to generate magnets Message-ID: Submitted in the humble hope that someone else may find it useful, or inspiring... I've been using OG to model a database design. I've been drawing relation lines between primary and foreign keys in tables, adjusting the magnet locations manually. This gets old. In my ad hoc diagramming convention, I've decided to use a rectangle for each table. For a little visual clarity, there is a blank line at the beginning and end of the text of each rectangle. The first line of text (after the newline) is the table name, followed by the field names, one per line. I break the fields into chunks, thematically, by inserting blank lines between groups of related information. So, I have a rectangle with the following contents: Table: Parcel Parcel_PK OwnerType Owner_FK Attorney_FK Neighborhood_FK Parcel_No Manual_Parcel_No Prop_County Location Title_Company Commmitment_No Now, when it comes time to draw a relation line between the keys in this table and keys in another table, I need magnets at the left and right edge of every line of text that is a key. I have named all of my keys with a suffix of _PK for primary keys, and _FK for foreign keys (these are artificial, programmatically generated record serial numbers, not real-world data, for anyone I've offended by my use of traditional database terminology). So, I wrote this script to fix up the magnets for a selected rectangle, by placing them to the left and right of every line that ends with either of those suffixes: Well, that's it. Select a shape (of the described convention), and run the script, and the magnets are (first deleted and then new ones) added at the appropriate locations. It has saved me hours of tedium at this point. Maybe someone else will find it useful, or even tell me a much better way of doing what I'm doing -- which would be a most welcome result of this message, too. Regards, Adam W. From lists at mostrom.pp.se Thu Feb 10 04:34:06 2005 From: lists at mostrom.pp.se (Jan Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?Mostr=F6m?=) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:42 2007 Subject: Magnets Message-ID: I usually use the magnets to draw lines between different shapes, but not it seems that I've managed to turn this feture off somehow. I've checked that the figures have magnets and that connections are allowed but it still doesn't work. So I've probably managed to turn something else of, I've looked around but can't find anything, the help system hasn't helped my either. Does anyone have a suggestion for what I'm missing? jem -- Jan Erik Mostr?m www.mostrom.pp.se From aleslie at cisco.com Thu Feb 10 04:38:51 2005 From: aleslie at cisco.com (Alan Leslie) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:42 2007 Subject: Magnets In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <420B55DB.4010406@cisco.com> Have you checked that connections are allowed for the line as well as for the shapes you are connecting to? It is possible to turn off connections on the line in the magnets pane, and it then won't connect to shapes, even if connections are allowed for them. I got myself very lost on one occasion by doing that... Alan Leslie Jan Erik Mostr?m wrote: >I usually use the magnets to draw lines between different shapes, but not it >seems that I've managed to turn this feture off somehow. I've checked that >the figures have magnets and that connections are allowed but it still >doesn't work. > >So I've probably managed to turn something else of, I've looked around but >can't find anything, the help system hasn't helped my either. Does anyone >have a suggestion for what I'm missing? > > > jem > > From aleslie at cisco.com Thu Feb 10 04:41:32 2005 From: aleslie at cisco.com (Alan Leslie) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:42 2007 Subject: Magnets In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <420B567C.9040502@cisco.com> Another thing it could be is if the shapes you are trying to connect to are on a locked layer - you can't connect to objects in a layer which has been locked in the layers control panel... Alan Leslie Jan Erik Mostr?m wrote: >I usually use the magnets to draw lines between different shapes, but not it >seems that I've managed to turn this feture off somehow. I've checked that >the figures have magnets and that connections are allowed but it still >doesn't work. > >So I've probably managed to turn something else of, I've looked around but >can't find anything, the help system hasn't helped my either. Does anyone >have a suggestion for what I'm missing? > > > jem > > From lists at mostrom.pp.se Thu Feb 10 05:03:07 2005 From: lists at mostrom.pp.se (Jan Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?Mostr=F6m?=) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:42 2007 Subject: Magnets In-Reply-To: <420B55DB.4010406@cisco.com> Message-ID: On 2005-02-10 13:38, Alan Leslie wrote: > Have you checked that connections are allowed for the line as well as > for the shapes you are connecting to? Ahhh, that's it. Thanks!! jem -- Jan Erik Mostr?m www.mostrom.pp.se From peterme at peterme.com Thu Feb 10 11:09:43 2005 From: peterme at peterme.com (Peter Merholz) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:42 2007 Subject: feature request: moving canvases from one file to another Message-ID: <5210D389-7B97-11D9-85BB-00112435357A@peterme.com> I saw that someone else asked if it could be done, and there were no replies. So consider this a formal feature request. We distribute OmniGraffle work among various people, and would love to merge their efforts into a single document. --peter From mjw at warbert.com Fri Feb 11 10:21:56 2005 From: mjw at warbert.com (Michael Ward) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:42 2007 Subject: feature request: moving canvases from one file to another In-Reply-To: <5210D389-7B97-11D9-85BB-00112435357A@peterme.com> References: <5210D389-7B97-11D9-85BB-00112435357A@peterme.com> Message-ID: Peter, Though not an elegant solution, you can copy and paste the canvases. Choose your canvas, select all (CMD-A), copy, open or create another file, create a new canvas then paste. The copy and paste can sometimes be slow if the number of canvas objects are quite high, and you memory is low, but I do this all the time and have not had any problems. Mike On Feb 10, 2005, at 2:09 PM, Peter Merholz wrote: > I saw that someone else asked if it could be done, and there were no > replies. > > So consider this a formal feature request. > > We distribute OmniGraffle work among various people, and would love to > merge their efforts into a single document. > > --peter > > _______________________________________________ > OmniGraffle-Users mailing list > OmniGraffle-Users@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnigraffle-users > From peri at pbrainmedia.com Fri Feb 11 23:54:48 2005 From: peri at pbrainmedia.com (Peri Pakroo) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:42 2007 Subject: auto text fill feature? Message-ID: I am using the trial version of OmniGraffle (both the standard and pro versions) to decide whether to buy it. In both versions, I've looked in vain for an "auto text fill" function allowing me to fill a text box with dummy text. I'm doing UI diagrams and want to easily fill text boxes with the dummy text so as to mimic the finished layout. Does anyone know if/how I can enter dummy text with any version of OmniGraffle? Peri peri [at] pbrainmedia [dot] com From peri at pbrainmedia.com Fri Feb 11 23:54:48 2005 From: peri at pbrainmedia.com (Peri Pakroo) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:42 2007 Subject: auto text fill feature? Message-ID: I am using the trial version of OmniGraffle (both the standard and pro versions) to decide whether to buy it. In both versions, I've looked in vain for an "auto text fill" function allowing me to fill a text box with dummy text. I'm doing UI diagrams and want to easily fill text boxes with the dummy text so as to mimic the finished layout. Does anyone know if/how I can enter dummy text with any version of OmniGraffle? Peri peri [at] pbrainmedia [dot] com From peri at pbrainmedia.com Fri Feb 11 23:54:48 2005 From: peri at pbrainmedia.com (Peri Pakroo) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:42 2007 Subject: auto text fill feature? Message-ID: I am using the trial version of OmniGraffle (both the standard and pro versions) to decide whether to buy it. In both versions, I've looked in vain for an "auto text fill" function allowing me to fill a text box with dummy text. I'm doing UI diagrams and want to easily fill text boxes with the dummy text so as to mimic the finished layout. Does anyone know if/how I can enter dummy text with any version of OmniGraffle? Peri peri [at] pbrainmedia [dot] com From matthew.barker at mac.com Sat Feb 12 15:51:26 2005 From: matthew.barker at mac.com (Matthew Barker) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:42 2007 Subject: auto text fill feature? (Peri Pakroo) In-Reply-To: <200502122001.j1CK1JZS006311@slowbro.omnigroup.com> References: <200502122001.j1CK1JZS006311@slowbro.omnigroup.com> Message-ID: <29e966bd4572becf71a3efba13468e83@mac.com> I'm not a long-time user of OG Pro, but I can see two ways you might accomplish what you're after. On all versions, you should be able to create a new stencil from the pull down with a bunch of pieces of text of an arbitrary shape. From the professional version (I don't know if it exists in the regular version) you can also attach bits of AppleScript to manipulate a shape (or other object) when it's clicked on in presentation mode. I'm not sure if either of these methods will fill your needs. Good luck, Matthew From akwuellner at civiltechinc.com Mon Feb 14 07:13:03 2005 From: akwuellner at civiltechinc.com (Adam K.Wuellner) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:42 2007 Subject: *** -[NSCFArray intersectionsWithPath:]: selector not recognized Message-ID: I get the subject error message when opening a OG3 document I was working on last night, which appeared to have saved normally at the time. Something is obviously wrong, though. Any way to recover the file? (short of copying the XML element-by-element until I locate one that bugs it up) Thanks, Adam W Chicago, IL From tgray-k-omni.1e86fe at protozoic.com Mon Feb 14 10:50:42 2005 From: tgray-k-omni.1e86fe at protozoic.com (Tim Gray) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:42 2007 Subject: Website Structure Visualization Message-ID: Hi, I was curious to know if OmniGraffle (or any other program) is capable of ingesting an html file (index.html), mapping out all the links from that page recursively, and drawing a flowchart illustrating the link structure of said website. The backstory is that I am inheriting the website management position for my graduate program. The website has been up in various forms for the past 10 years and been very poorly managed by at least 4 others before me. It would be wonderful to visualize the mess of links to weed out what is indeed used and unused. I figured that there must exist something like this feature executed in a manner similar to OmniGraffle's excellent directory tree mapping. Thanks! From hartp at imagegroup.com Mon Feb 14 11:25:17 2005 From: hartp at imagegroup.com (Paul Hart) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:42 2007 Subject: Website Structure Visualization In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2c013a435cb344ad000dced39a91a7bc@imagegroup.com> I was wondering the same thing. On Feb 14, 2005, at 1:50 PM, Tim Gray wrote: > Hi, I was curious to know if OmniGraffle (or any other program) is > capable of ingesting an html file (index.html), mapping out all the > links from that page recursively, and drawing a flowchart illustrating > the link structure of said website. > > The backstory is that I am inheriting the website management position > for my graduate program. The website has been up in various forms for > the past 10 years and been very poorly managed by at least 4 others > before me. It would be wonderful to visualize the mess of links to > weed out what is indeed used and unused. I figured that there must > exist something like this feature executed in a manner similar to > OmniGraffle's excellent directory tree mapping. > > Thanks! > _______________________________________________ > OmniGraffle-Users mailing list > OmniGraffle-Users@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnigraffle-users > | P a u l H a r t | T h e I m a g e G r o u p | | Interactive Media | Information Architecture & Art | | 616-393-9588 x.111 | http://www.imagegroup.com/ | "On the Web, all advantages are temporary, and you must keep innovating to stay ahead." -Jacob Nielsen From robert.palmer at ipix.com Mon Feb 14 11:34:27 2005 From: robert.palmer at ipix.com (Robert) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:42 2007 Subject: Website Structure Visualization In-Reply-To: <2c013a435cb344ad000dced39a91a7bc@imagegroup.com> References: <2c013a435cb344ad000dced39a91a7bc@imagegroup.com> Message-ID: I don't think OmniGraffle itself will, but there I believe there is a program on Versiontracker that can convert the html structure and links into a graph, which I think might be importable to Omnigraffle. Search on "graph" and maybe even "generation" or "generate" It's an open source product specifically for making connection graphs. Robert On Feb 14, 2005, at 2:25 PM, Paul Hart wrote: > I was wondering the same thing. > > On Feb 14, 2005, at 1:50 PM, Tim Gray wrote: > >> Hi, I was curious to know if OmniGraffle (or any other program) is >> capable of ingesting an html file (index.html), mapping out all the >> links from that page recursively, and drawing a flowchart >> illustrating the link structure of said website. >> >> The backstory is that I am inheriting the website management position >> for my graduate program. The website has been up in various forms >> for the past 10 years and been very poorly managed by at least 4 >> others before me. It would be wonderful to visualize the mess of >> links to weed out what is indeed used and unused. I figured that >> there must exist something like this feature executed in a manner >> similar to OmniGraffle's excellent directory tree mapping. >> >> Thanks! >> _______________________________________________ >> OmniGraffle-Users mailing list >> OmniGraffle-Users@omnigroup.com >> http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnigraffle-users >> > > | P a u l H a r t | T h e I m a g e G r o u p | > | Interactive Media | Information Architecture & Art | > | 616-393-9588 x.111 | http://www.imagegroup.com/ | > > "On the Web, all advantages are temporary, > and you must keep innovating to stay ahead." > -Jacob Nielsen > > _______________________________________________ > OmniGraffle-Users mailing list > OmniGraffle-Users@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnigraffle-users From fcorbett at comcast.net Mon Feb 14 11:37:23 2005 From: fcorbett at comcast.net (Forrest Corbett) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:42 2007 Subject: Website Structure Visualization In-Reply-To: <2c013a435cb344ad000dced39a91a7bc@imagegroup.com> References: <2c013a435cb344ad000dced39a91a7bc@imagegroup.com> Message-ID: <2ad4431942b2cc3a1fdd356e68588a05@comcast.net> Short answer, no. AFAIK. I searched the archives a while back and found that answer. To map it there is an app called, IIRC, Site Orbiter. That will output a PDF of the site structure. *scratches head* Ya know, I did just get ten copies of Visio and my understand is it does what you want. I could install it and run the URL for you, then send you the Visio file. I'm pretty sure OG should be able to import it. -Forrest On Feb 14, 2005, at 11:25 AM, Paul Hart wrote: > I was wondering the same thing. > > On Feb 14, 2005, at 1:50 PM, Tim Gray wrote: > >> Hi, I was curious to know if OmniGraffle (or any other program) is >> capable of ingesting an html file (index.html), mapping out all the >> links from that page recursively, and drawing a flowchart >> illustrating the link structure of said website. >> >> The backstory is that I am inheriting the website management position >> for my graduate program. The website has been up in various forms >> for the past 10 years and been very poorly managed by at least 4 >> others before me. It would be wonderful to visualize the mess of >> links to weed out what is indeed used and unused. I figured that >> there must exist something like this feature executed in a manner >> similar to OmniGraffle's excellent directory tree mapping. >> >> Thanks! >> _______________________________________________ >> OmniGraffle-Users mailing list >> OmniGraffle-Users@omnigroup.com >> http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnigraffle-users >> > > | P a u l H a r t | T h e I m a g e G r o u p | > | Interactive Media | Information Architecture & Art | > | 616-393-9588 x.111 | http://www.imagegroup.com/ | > > "On the Web, all advantages are temporary, > and you must keep innovating to stay ahead." > -Jacob Nielsen > > _______________________________________________ > OmniGraffle-Users mailing list > OmniGraffle-Users@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnigraffle-users > From robert.palmer at ipix.com Mon Feb 14 14:02:36 2005 From: robert.palmer at ipix.com (Robert) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:42 2007 Subject: Website Structure Visualization In-Reply-To: <2ad4431942b2cc3a1fdd356e68588a05@comcast.net> References: <2c013a435cb344ad000dced39a91a7bc@imagegroup.com> <2ad4431942b2cc3a1fdd356e68588a05@comcast.net> Message-ID: Ok, I found the program I was thinking of - Graphviz . Unfortunately, it doesn't do what you want. With a little googling, I found this: which will generate a GraphViz output from a site and an SVG output. I don't think OmniGraffle will import GraphViz, but it might import SVG. Or... you might be able to find another tool to convert to something that OmniGraffle WILL import. Robert On Feb 14, 2005, at 2:37 PM, Forrest Corbett wrote: > Short answer, no. AFAIK. > > I searched the archives a while back and found that answer. To map it > there is an app called, IIRC, Site Orbiter. That will output a PDF of > the site structure. > > *scratches head* > > Ya know, I did just get ten copies of Visio and my understand is it > does what you want. I could install it and run the URL for you, then > send you the Visio file. I'm pretty sure OG should be able to import > it. > > -Forrest > > > On Feb 14, 2005, at 11:25 AM, Paul Hart wrote: > >> I was wondering the same thing. >> >> On Feb 14, 2005, at 1:50 PM, Tim Gray wrote: >> >>> Hi, I was curious to know if OmniGraffle (or any other program) is >>> capable of ingesting an html file (index.html), mapping out all the >>> links from that page recursively, and drawing a flowchart >>> illustrating the link structure of said website. >>> >>> The backstory is that I am inheriting the website management >>> position for my graduate program. The website has been up in >>> various forms for the past 10 years and been very poorly managed by >>> at least 4 others before me. It would be wonderful to visualize the >>> mess of links to weed out what is indeed used and unused. I figured >>> that there must exist something like this feature executed in a >>> manner similar to OmniGraffle's excellent directory tree mapping. >>> >>> Thanks! >>> _______________________________________________ >>> OmniGraffle-Users mailing list >>> OmniGraffle-Users@omnigroup.com >>> http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnigraffle-users >>> >> >> | P a u l H a r t | T h e I m a g e G r o u p | >> | Interactive Media | Information Architecture & Art | >> | 616-393-9588 x.111 | http://www.imagegroup.com/ | >> >> "On the Web, all advantages are temporary, >> and you must keep innovating to stay ahead." >> -Jacob Nielsen >> >> _______________________________________________ >> OmniGraffle-Users mailing list >> OmniGraffle-Users@omnigroup.com >> http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnigraffle-users >> > > _______________________________________________ > OmniGraffle-Users mailing list > OmniGraffle-Users@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnigraffle-users From programmingosx at mac.com Mon Feb 14 14:10:25 2005 From: programmingosx at mac.com (David Holt) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:42 2007 Subject: Website Structure Visualization In-Reply-To: References: <2c013a435cb344ad000dced39a91a7bc@imagegroup.com> <2ad4431942b2cc3a1fdd356e68588a05@comcast.net> Message-ID: <79ef00effaee5b66bae70d0cb57d5831@mac.com> OmniGraffle will import a simple Graphviz .dot file with no problem, though you may have to do some tweaking of the diagram afterwards. Look up GraphViz in the OmniGraffle help pages for a complete list of the tags that OG supports in the .dot file. David -- Panic is not an effective, long-term organizing strategy. Starhawk from Sunbeams: http://www.thesunmagazine.org On 14 Feb 2005, at 2:02 PM, Robert wrote: > Ok, I found the program I was thinking of - Graphviz > . Unfortunately, it doesn't do > what you want. > > With a little googling, I found this: > which will generate > a GraphViz output from a site and an SVG output. I don't think > OmniGraffle will import GraphViz, but it might import SVG. Or... you > might be able to find another tool to convert to something that > OmniGraffle WILL import. > > Robert > > On Feb 14, 2005, at 2:37 PM, Forrest Corbett wrote: > >> Short answer, no. AFAIK. >> >> I searched the archives a while back and found that answer. To map it >> there is an app called, IIRC, Site Orbiter. That will output a PDF of >> the site structure. >> >> *scratches head* >> >> Ya know, I did just get ten copies of Visio and my understand is it >> does what you want. I could install it and run the URL for you, then >> send you the Visio file. I'm pretty sure OG should be able to import >> it. >> >> -Forrest >> >> >> On Feb 14, 2005, at 11:25 AM, Paul Hart wrote: >> >>> I was wondering the same thing. >>> >>> On Feb 14, 2005, at 1:50 PM, Tim Gray wrote: >>> >>>> Hi, I was curious to know if OmniGraffle (or any other program) is >>>> capable of ingesting an html file (index.html), mapping out all the >>>> links from that page recursively, and drawing a flowchart >>>> illustrating the link structure of said website. >>>> >>>> The backstory is that I am inheriting the website management >>>> position for my graduate program. The website has been up in >>>> various forms for the past 10 years and been very poorly managed by >>>> at least 4 others before me. It would be wonderful to visualize >>>> the mess of links to weed out what is indeed used and unused. I >>>> figured that there must exist something like this feature executed >>>> in a manner similar to OmniGraffle's excellent directory tree >>>> mapping. >>>> >>>> Thanks! >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> OmniGraffle-Users mailing list >>>> OmniGraffle-Users@omnigroup.com >>>> http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnigraffle-users >>>> >>> >>> | P a u l H a r t | T h e I m a g e G r o u p | >>> | Interactive Media | Information Architecture & Art | >>> | 616-393-9588 x.111 | http://www.imagegroup.com/ | >>> >>> "On the Web, all advantages are temporary, >>> and you must keep innovating to stay ahead." >>> -Jacob Nielsen >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> OmniGraffle-Users mailing list >>> OmniGraffle-Users@omnigroup.com >>> http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnigraffle-users >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> OmniGraffle-Users mailing list >> OmniGraffle-Users@omnigroup.com >> http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnigraffle-users > > _______________________________________________ > OmniGraffle-Users mailing list > OmniGraffle-Users@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnigraffle-users > From omni at castle.fastmail.fm Mon Feb 14 21:23:06 2005 From: omni at castle.fastmail.fm (Travis P) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:42 2007 Subject: feature request: moving canvases from one file to another In-Reply-To: <5210D389-7B97-11D9-85BB-00112435357A@peterme.com> References: <5210D389-7B97-11D9-85BB-00112435357A@peterme.com> Message-ID: <7683c8689892617bb00e89c236d0269d@castle.fastmail.fm> On Feb 10, 2005, at 1:09 PM, Peter Merholz wrote: > I saw that someone else asked if it could be done, and there were no > replies. > > So consider this a formal feature request. > > We distribute OmniGraffle work among various people, and would love to > merge their efforts into a single document. I asked about this once (I was surprised I couldn't drag-and-drop or copy-and-paste from the canvas inspector of one document to another document) and was told how it could be done with a low-level-workaround-for-the-absent-feature of copying-and-pasting the canvas sections in the XML syntax *.graffle files directly in a regular text editor from one doc to another (you'll want the documents not to be open in OG at the time of course). Unfortunately, I can't immediately find the mail that gave me the details, but you might be able to do it directly with just this hint. -Travis Pouarz From ajmalton at uwaterloo.ca Tue Feb 15 05:01:58 2005 From: ajmalton at uwaterloo.ca (Andrew Malton) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:42 2007 Subject: auto text fill feature? In-Reply-To: <200502132000.j1DK0QZR022200@slowbro.omnigroup.com> References: <200502132000.j1DK0QZR022200@slowbro.omnigroup.com> Message-ID: <3636fe4e2caff0259a2ee543876715c1@uwaterloo.ca> I always just generate some text at www.lipsum.com and paste it in. I guess you could write an Applescript to do it... -- Dr. Andrew Malton, Associate Professor School of Computer Science University of Waterloo Waterloo, Canada N2L 3G1 http://www.uwaterloo.ca/~ajmalton AIM:ajmalton@mac.com tel: +1 519 888 4567 x 5144 fax: +1 519 885 1208 From akwuellner at civiltechinc.com Tue Feb 15 08:08:45 2005 From: akwuellner at civiltechinc.com (Adam K.Wuellner) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:42 2007 Subject: *** -[NSCFArray intersectionsWithPath:]: selector not recognized In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0197ac92eb1f5e4fbd7975141a765b10@civiltechinc.com> On Feb 14, 2005, at 9:13 AM, Adam K.Wuellner wrote: > I get the subject error message when opening a OG3 document I was > working on last night, which appeared to have saved normally at the > time. After starting from the last good version, putting in another 8 hours of work on the document, saving it, and coming in the next morning to discover the same problem afflicting my new attempt, I think I have discovered the cause. I removed four instances of HopLines from LineGraphic elements in the raw XML file. OmniGraffle now opens the document without error. FWIW, Adam Wuellner From jaharmi at mac.com Tue Feb 15 11:26:15 2005 From: jaharmi at mac.com (Jeremy Reichman) Date: Fri May 25 12: