OGP compatibility with MSWord on Mac and Windoze?
Paul Davis
pdavis at rand.org
Thu Nov 11 08:06:12 PST 2004
This Microsfoft Office issue keeps recurring and is a constant source
of annoyance. What makes it worse is that modest testing with "other
solutions" can cause someone to believe that other methods work,
because the pictures look superficially ok or because they don't happen
to have the features that cause them to look bad. But then, sometime
later, when it counts, a picture looks lousy. I've wasted a lot of
time on this stuff and I agree completely with Ken and Adam: the png
solution is the way to go for now. As one bit of additional
information, I've even adopted Snapzpro to make screenshots, because it
can be set to do them in png rather than pdf as generated by Apple's
built-in screenshots.
Paul
On Nov 11, 2004, at 7:15 AM, Adam R.Maxwell wrote:
>
> On Nov 11, 2004, at 05:42, Nate Goldshlag wrote:
>
>> Perhaps I need the secret sauce to get the thing below to work, but
>> when I do it and bring the .wmf into Word it is **tiny**. If I
>> resize it, it is totally fuzzy in Word. My source document is boxes
>> and text. I exported as pdf vector image from Omni Graffle Pro 3.12.
>> Does anybody have the secret sauce to make this work?
>
> I see the same thing here (GC 5.2.4, Word X). In fact, I don't see
> how this _can_ work since GraphicConverter converts PDF to a bitmap at
> 72dpi, just as Word does. Like Ken, I've found that large PNGs are
> most consistent for me, and that's what LaTeX2RTF converts my PDF
> files to anyway.
>
> --
> Adam
>
>>
>>
>> On Nov 11, 2004, at 7:56 AM, Kenneth Prager wrote:
>>
>>> Yes I know that 288 dpi PNGs are big but I've found that they give
>>> the consistently best results.
>>>
>>> There was also a long thread on this subject back in January. It
>>> was titled "OGP compatibility with MSWord on Mac and Windoze?" One
>>> of the posters advocated using Graphic Converter to convert to
>>> Microsoft's WMF format. Here is what was written...
>>>
>>>
>>> At 4:06 PM -0800 1/18/04, John Oram wrote:
>>>> I've been playing around with exporting to PDF from OG, and then
>>>> exporting to WMF with GraphicConverter to get into Word.
>>>>
>>>> OG -> .pdf -> GC -> .wmf -> Word -> .doc
>>>>
>>>> If you Save as... WMF in Graphic Converter you get a 7 MB file (vs.
>>>> the 112 KB OG and 64 KB PDF. Make sure you are using the latest
>>>> version, currently 4.93 -- with 4.8, the WMF was 35 MB and crashed
>>>> GC upon completion...)
>>>>
>>>> Surprisingly, when inserted into Word, the file is only 300 KB, and
>>>> opens cleanly on both the Mac and Windows versions of Word. I
>>>> haven't had a chance to print yet, but I am able to zoom in quite
>>>> well, so I am optimistic. (It also imports into PowerPoint.
>>>>
>>>> As a side note, I went down this route since I wasn't able to get a
>>>> non-jaggy preview with OG -> .eps -> GC -> .epsf + preview -> Word.
>>>>
>>>> Additionally, they won't open on Word for Windows -- it complains
>>>> that it needs QuickTime to decompress the JPEG, but it is not
>>>> installed (when in fact it is...) I can't risk Windows co-workers
>>>> dealing with that.
>>>>
>>>> Dumb question -- what does the "F" stand for in EPSF? Is it
>>>> equivalent to EPS? If not, why does GC only allow export to EPSF?
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Ken Prager
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> At 4:48 PM -0500 11/10/04, Nate Goldshlag wrote:
>>>> You will find that pdfs imported into Word X print like crap on the
>>>> Mac side. I think the same is true on the PC side. They print
>>>> "fuzzy". Put some text and boxes in OG and print from there vs.
>>>> printing from Word and you will see what I mean.
>>>>
>>>> 288 dpi pngs are big.
>>>>
>>>> What I do, and it really is a kludge, is export as eps, then in
>>>> Graphic Converter I add a preview to the eps, and then I import the
>>>> eps with preview into Word. That prints great but does not look
>>>> great on screen.
>>>>
>>>> Nate
>>>>
>>>> On Nov 10, 2004, at 3:57 PM, Frank Siebenlist wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I'm told by my off-site ms-word on XP colleagues, that the pdf
>>>>> formatted pictures look sharp on the screen and printed, except
>>>>> for a light grey background. (we're not sure what the grey
>>>>> background comes from - maybe it's an other artifact (?))
>>>>>
>>>>> Has ms-word's handling of pdf-pictures improved maybe in the last
>>>>> revisions?
>>>>>
>>>>> Can anyone else confirm this?
>>>>>
>>>>> The png-pictures are kind of big in bytes and bloat the already
>>>>> bloated ms-words docs even more.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks, Frank.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Kenneth Prager wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Further, export in png format at 288 ppi.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ken P.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> At 11:46 AM -0800 11/10/04, David Holt wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> don't copy and paste into Word.... import. that should clear up
>>>>>>> the problem for you.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> hatred bounces.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> e. e. cummings
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> from Sunbeams: http://www.thesunmagazine.org
>>>>>>> On 10 Nov 2004, at 11:03 AM, Frank Siebenlist wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I just discovered that my beautiful OmniGraffle-Pro pictures
>>>>>>>> that I copy&paste out of OGP into OfficeX-Word, do not show up
>>>>>>>> on my collegues's word on windoze... although they do show on
>>>>>>>> the mac's msword.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Reading the threads on this mailing list, I realize that I'm
>>>>>>>> not the first one to encounter these problems... although most
>>>>>>>> posting are a few months old about previous revisions and such.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So, what are the best recipes or work-arounds to make this work
>>>>>>>> well?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What seems to work is exporting pictures in pdf files from OGP,
>>>>>>>> and importing them as a picture/file in WordX. My colleagues on
>>>>>>>> windoze report that they can see the pictures.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What doesn't seem to work is copy as PDF in OGP, and pasting it
>>>>>>>> in WordX.
>>>>>>>> (WordX doesn't seem to give you a paste option in that case...)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This is all kludgy and a pain.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Omnigroup people: compatibility with M$Word on windoze is
>>>>>>>> crucial, no matter how primitive and buggy their apps and
>>>>>>>> platform is!!!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There also doesn't seem to be an FAQ or info about these issues
>>>>>>>> on Omni's website :-(
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Any other suggestions/advise/recent-experiences are appreciated.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks, Frank.
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>> --
>>>>> Frank Siebenlist franks at mcs.anl.gov
>>>>> The Globus Alliance - Argonne National Laboratory
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