From mckinlay at unr.edu Fri Jan 3 18:04:01 2003 From: mckinlay at unr.edu (George McKinlay) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:19 2007 Subject: Using the action file: Message-ID: I'm trying to use the file: action to open another .graffle file in the same directory as the current file so I put file:another.graffle but it does nor accept it? What should I be doing? Actually a real example of this in the Help file would be good (hint hint) as it took a few tries to work out how to do mailto:my@email.com?subject=success but I still can't get more than one word in the subject line??? Any pointers appreciated. From waltd at wdstudio.com Fri Jan 3 18:39:01 2003 From: waltd at wdstudio.com (Walter Lee Davis) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:19 2007 Subject: Using the action file: In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Well, I can help you with this part: you need to urlencode your subject line. I have a handy web tool that will do this for you: http://roxanne.walterdavisstudio.com/mailto Hope this helps. Walter On Friday, January 3, 2003, at 09:03 PM, George McKinlay wrote: > mailto:my@email.com?subject=success but I still can't get more than > one word in the subject line??? From mckinlay at unr.edu Sat Jan 4 11:52:00 2003 From: mckinlay at unr.edu (George McKinlay) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:19 2007 Subject: Using the action file: In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Ya I found this out, oddly I had typed in %20 but like a fool I must have put a space someplace in the process and so it hosed... I just figured it was a Omnigraffle shortcoming... Now I still have not been able to open up another ,graffle file in the same directory where my original graffle doc is located... so I've reverted to placing it on a web server... two ways to skin a cat, ooops rabbit er no carrot... Cheers On Saturday, January 4, 2003, at 11:39 AM, Barry Wainwright wrote: > On 4/1/03 2:03, "George McKinlay" wrote: > >> to do mailto:my@email.com?subject=success but I still >> can't get more than one word in the subject line??? > > mailto:my@email.com?subject=success %20Every%20Time > -- > Barry > From greg at omnigroup.com Sat Jan 4 13:35:00 2003 From: greg at omnigroup.com (Greg Titus) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:19 2007 Subject: Using the action file: In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <4151E914-202C-11D7-92B4-0003938E4E32@omnigroup.com> Hi George, Unfortunately, Graffle does not support relative URLs right now (i.e. "foo.graffle"), only full URLs ("http://localhost/foo.graffle"). This limitation was just an oversight and should be fixed in the next version released. - Greg On Saturday, January 4, 2003, at 11:51 AM, George McKinlay wrote: > Ya I found this out, oddly I had typed in %20 but like a fool I must > have put a space someplace in the process and so it hosed... I just > figured it was a Omnigraffle shortcoming... > > Now I still have not been able to open up another ,graffle file in the > same directory where my original graffle doc is located... so I've > reverted to placing it on a web server... two ways to skin a cat, > ooops rabbit er no carrot... > > Cheers > > > > On Saturday, January 4, 2003, at 11:39 AM, Barry Wainwright wrote: > >> On 4/1/03 2:03, "George McKinlay" wrote: >> >>> to do mailto:my@email.com?subject=success but I still >>> can't get more than one word in the subject line??? >> >> mailto:my@email.com?subject=success %20Every%20Time >> -- >> Barry >> > > _______________________________________________ > OmniGraffle-Users mailing list > OmniGraffle-Users@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnigraffle-users > From ucfgoofy at excite.com Sun Jan 5 08:46:01 2003 From: ucfgoofy at excite.com (ucfgoofy@excite.com) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:19 2007 Subject: Shadows on text (not the enclosing box) Message-ID: <20030105164515.E0D2E8AEB2@xmxpita.excite.com> As I have just recently joined this list, please forgive me if this question has already been asked. I searched the archives and found nothing along these lines. I'm one of those people who absolutely loves the soft drop shadows that graphical items in OmniGraffle get, and I was thrilled when support of those shadows was added to PDF exports. One thing that has been a constant frustration for me is adding a similar drop shadow to text. The "PDF Compositor" app that came with OS X Public Beta let me type any text in any font, click a single button, and every letter of what I typed had its own soft (i.e. without crisp edges) shadow. I've never seen that in an OS X app since. Can anyone suggest anything that would let me -- preferably just by finding a magic check box somewhere -- add these drop shadows to text? The only "shadow" option I've found in OmniGraffle adds the shadow to the text box only when the box uses a color fill. Thanks, in advance, for your help! _______________________________________________ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! From kayvee at pacbell.net Mon Jan 6 16:45:02 2003 From: kayvee at pacbell.net (kayvee) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:19 2007 Subject: Exporting to GIF Message-ID: <343C7886-21D9-11D7-8607-003065EAF352@pacbell.net> I'm trying to decide whether I should buy OmniGraffle for making a large number of charts for a web-based course. When I export to GIF, all the colors are pixelated and lighter, and the type is very faint. I am using web-safe colors (but that shouldn't make a difference anyway.) When I exported to JPG, the colors were truer but the background was black. I want this to be easier than Illustrator! Advice? thanks, Karyn From kayvee at pacbell.net Tue Jan 7 09:33:01 2003 From: kayvee at pacbell.net (kayvee) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:19 2007 Subject: Exporting to GIF In-Reply-To: <0D1D410E-21FB-11D7-8F23-000393696EB8@thewonderllama.com> Message-ID: OK, I get it. when I use Photoshop etc. to make a gif, it allows me to use a selective palette: not many colors but the ones I need. Omnigraffle just uses a standard palette. That extra step of converting it in another program may kill any speed savings for me. On Monday, January 6, 2003, at 08:46 PM, Brendan Sweeney wrote: > > On Monday, January 6, 2003, at 04:44 PM, kayvee wrote: > >> When I export to GIF, all the colors are pixelated and lighter, and >> the type is very faint. I am using web-safe colors (but that >> shouldn't make a difference anyway.) > > That's just a problem with the format, unless you want very large > files. I couldn't find any prefs for .gif quality or pallet size > though. If you're serious about .gifs just export as a pdf, tiff or > png and then use a dedicated graphic program to convert it to gif. > >> When I exported to JPG, the colors were truer but the background was >> black. > > The background's only black if you select "transparent background", > jpgs don't support an "invisible" color. Uncheck the transparent > option to have a white background. That makes sense too, although the transparent background choice shouldn't apply then when you choose the jpg format. Thanks Brendan From spwhite at chariot.net.au Tue Jan 14 17:18:59 2003 From: spwhite at chariot.net.au (stephen white) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:19 2007 Subject: Using OmniGraffle for image maps Message-ID: I'm documenting some systems, so I'm creating imagemaps for Web pages with OmniGraffle. OmniGraffle is running into a bug with the way some browsers interprete the ordering of the image map co-ordinates. In IE, when two clickable boxes overlap each other, the first one listed takes precedence. Would it be possible for OmniGraffle to use the layering or ordering in the diagram to control the order in which it writes the image map areas? Eg, instead of "for loop from first to last object", it could do "for loop in Z order". Since lines are also active objects in OmniGraffle, could lines be included in the imagemap output? It may have to be a very skinny rectangle instead, but anything clickable would do! :) -- spwhite@chariot.net.au From milutz at avalon.net Thu Jan 16 22:46:01 2003 From: milutz at avalon.net (Mike Lutz) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:19 2007 Subject: dot import problems? Message-ID: <4947B2AE-29E7-11D7-9E9E-00039398C55E@avalon.net> Hi all! Is anyone out there importing dot files into omnigraffle? I just stumbled onto GraphViz from AT&T research (Which is a directed graphing tool and file format called "dot") and found that it is quite cool stuff. (The main site for it is - http://www.research.att.com/sw/tools/graphviz) (An OSX port of the AT&T tools are at - http://www.phil.uu.nl/~js/graphviz/) I've been building dot files and running them through the AT&T tools. The graphs I have been making use the tag "constraint=false". AT&Ts dot program does what I expect but omnigraffle seems like its ignoring the tag. Here is the dot file I'm having OmniGraffle import: digraph blah { this -> 1.1; this -> 1.2; this -> 1.3; node [fontsize=10]; this -> three [fontsize=10]; three-> tree [fontsize=10]; tree -> that [fontsize=10]; blah -> dang [fontsize=10]; 1.1 -> 1.2 -> 1.3 [constraint=false, dir=both]; 1.1 -> {2.1; 2.2; 2.3} [dir=both]; 1.2 -> {2.1; 2.2; 2.3} [dir=both]; 1.3 -> {2.1; 2.2; 2.3} [dir=both]; 2.1 -> 2.2 -> 2.3 [constraint=false, dir=both]; 3.1 [fontsize=28,shape=box]; 3.1 -> 3.2 -> 3.3 [constraint=false, dir=both]; 2.1 -> { 3.1; 3.2; 3.3} [dir=both]; 2.2 -> { 3.1; 3.2; 3.3} [dir=both]; 2.3 -> { 3.1; 3.2; 3.3} [dir=both]; } If you go to http://arthur.avalon.net/~milutz/blah4.pdf you can see what this looks like if it is rendered with AT&Ts tool. If you paste the above dot code in a text file and open it with omnigraffle (or pull it from http://arthur.avalon.net/~milutz/blah4.dot.txt) then you can see how it doesn't make a nice square out of the #.# elements in the same way as AT&T's (see blah4.pdf). As I said above, I think omnigraffle is ignoring the "constraint=false" tag (seems to ignore "fontsize" and "dir" as well) so I built a dot file with out "constraint=false" and rendered it with the AT&T tools (http://arthur.avalon.net/~milutz/blah5.pdf and http://arthur.avalon.net/~milutz/blah5.dot.txt). Its not perfectly the same but it is very close to what omnigraffle is doing. Does anyone out there in mailing-list-land have any more info on the dot support inside of omnigraffle (which tag are supported)? Omnigroup folks, do you have any plans on updating the dot support? Anyone have a way to make a dot file render like the blah4.pdf file in omnigraffle? Thanks! -Mike From beskelton at speakeasy.net Fri Jan 17 10:04:14 2003 From: beskelton at speakeasy.net (Bryan Skelton) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:19 2007 Subject: templates and layers Message-ID: <771BE2CD-2A44-11D7-9A67-0003936696B8@speakeasy.net> How can I get a template that repeats across multiple pages of a document, like a master template? Saving it in the template or in a layer doesn't appear to work across multiple pages. Thanks. Bryan From support at omnigroup.com Fri Jan 17 10:16:11 2003 From: support at omnigroup.com (David C. Kasprzyk) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:19 2007 Subject: Shadows on text (not the enclosing box) In-Reply-To: <20030105164515.E0D2E8AEB2@xmxpita.excite.com> Message-ID: <5086D271-2A45-11D7-8A73-0003935792D0@omnigroup.com> Dear ucfgoofy: Unfortunately, there is no way to currently do this in OnmiGraffle. I will however file a feature request for this to be looked into as we continue with OmniGraffle's development. I will admit that text shadowing would be a very visually appealing addition to OmniGraffle. If you have any additional comments or questions please feel free to let me know and I will be happy to assist you. Sincerely, David Kasprzyk OmniGraffle Project Coordinator support@omnigroup.com On Sunday, Jan 5, 2003, at 08:45 US/Pacific, ucfgoofy@excite.com wrote: > > As I have just recently joined this list, please forgive me if this > question has already been asked. I searched the archives and found > nothing along these lines. > > I'm one of those people who absolutely loves the soft drop shadows > that graphical items in OmniGraffle get, and I was thrilled when > support of those shadows was added to PDF exports. One thing that has > been a constant frustration for me is adding a similar drop shadow to > text. The "PDF Compositor" app that came with OS X Public Beta let me > type any text in any font, click a single button, and every letter of > what I typed had its own soft (i.e. without crisp edges) shadow. I've > never seen that in an OS X app since. > > Can anyone suggest anything that would let me -- preferably just by > finding a magic check box somewhere -- add these drop shadows to text? > The only "shadow" option I've found in OmniGraffle adds the shadow to > the text box only when the box uses a color fill. > > Thanks, in advance, for your help! > > _______________________________________________ > Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com > The most personalized portal on the Web! > _______________________________________________ > OmniGraffle-Users mailing list > OmniGraffle-Users@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnigraffle-users > From jjh at cosmicflow.com Fri Jan 17 10:19:20 2003 From: jjh at cosmicflow.com (Jason Hinze) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:19 2007 Subject: Text color auto-set to white in a filled shape Message-ID: Greetings! I'm trying to make solid-filled shapes with text inside of them, but if the fill color is anything but the original default white, the text color automatically changes to white the next time the text is selected. Any change whatsoever -- one degree of hue, one percent of saturation, brightness or opacity -- will enable this automatic text color "trigger", such that the next time I select the text, it automatically changes to white. I could imagine that this is an attempt to help keep text in filled colors visible, but it is not only tremendously annoying, but also inconsistent: if I retain the original default white fill color for the shape, I can change the text color to anything, including pure white, and it is never automatically changed to black. This behavior is causing me no end of consternation. I'm trying to move my graph-structured drawings to OmniGraffle, but as I often use light-colored filled shapes for my nodes the automatic white-text-color-setting makes all of my text practially unreadable. Any insights would be most appreciated. Thanks, Jason Hinze From jjh at cosmicflow.com Fri Jan 17 11:03:33 2003 From: jjh at cosmicflow.com (Jason Hinze) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:19 2007 Subject: Are there more refined methods of zooming? Message-ID: <28E85266-2A4C-11D7-B0C4-003065D630F4@cosmicflow.com> The only zoom controls I've found in OmniGraffle are the "actual size", "zoom in" and "zoom out" menu items and and the zoom picker, with 25%, 50%, 75%, 100%, 150%, 200%, 400%, and 800% settings. These controls are far too coarse -- the "zoom in" and "zoom out" seem to operate only by a factor of 2x, and available choices in the picker are too far apart. What I'd really to be able to do is Adobe-style zooming: 1) Fit to window (command-0 in Adobe apps) This is the biggie. Can't live without it. 2) Something like the command-space-drag function in Adobe apps. This zooms the dragged-out area to fill the current working window. This is also a biggie, especially for working on very large drawings. 3) Smaller steps for the "zoom in" and "zoom out" commands. If we have #2, this is a nice-to-have, if not, it's a must-have. Are there any features like this in the current version of OmniGraffle that I'm just to boneheaded to discover? If so, please enlighten me. If not, do y'all think these features would be useful as well? Thanks, Jason Hinze From pjackson at ee.byu.edu Fri Jan 17 12:02:07 2003 From: pjackson at ee.byu.edu (Preston Jackson) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:19 2007 Subject: Are there more refined methods of zooming? Message-ID: <6EEFB4BA-2A51-11D7-917B-000A279167C4@ee.byu.edu> If you use the magnifying glass in the tool bar you can drag over a section that you would like to zoom to fill the entire window (item #2). If you don't have this tool it might have been turned off in the Preferences:Drawing Tools. Turn it back on and you'll be set. Preston > From: Jason Hinze > Date: Fri Jan 17, 2003 11:47:42 AM US/Mountain > To: omnigraffle-users@omnigroup.com > Subject: Are there more refined methods of zooming? > > The only zoom controls I've found in OmniGraffle are the > "actual size", "zoom in" and "zoom out" menu items and > and the zoom picker, with 25%, 50%, 75%, 100%, 150%, > 200%, 400%, and 800% settings. > > These controls are far too coarse -- the "zoom in" and > "zoom out" seem to operate only by a factor of 2x, and > available choices in the picker are too far apart. What > I'd really to be able to do is Adobe-style zooming: > > 1) Fit to window (command-0 in Adobe apps) > This is the biggie. Can't live without it. > > 2) Something like the command-space-drag function > in Adobe apps. This zooms the dragged-out area > to fill the current working window. This is also a biggie, > especially for working on very large drawings. > > 3) Smaller steps for the "zoom in" and "zoom out" > commands. If we have #2, this is a nice-to-have, > if not, it's a must-have. > > Are there any features like this in the current version of > OmniGraffle that I'm just to boneheaded to discover? > If so, please enlighten me. If not, do y'all think these > features would be useful as well? > > Thanks, > Jason Hinze > > > > > _______________________________________________ > OmniGraffle-Users mailing list > OmniGraffle-Users@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnigraffle-users From tonik at umich.edu Sat Jan 18 09:03:03 2003 From: tonik at umich.edu (Toni Kramer) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:19 2007 Subject: Manipulating text Message-ID: I think this has to be simple, but I can't get it. I'm trying to get a text string to rotate to vertical. I don't want the letters one under each other vertically, which I can do, but the whole string to just turn so that it's vertical, not horizontal. Anyone know do I do this? Thanks in advance. From pjackson at ee.byu.edu Sat Jan 18 09:37:22 2003 From: pjackson at ee.byu.edu (Preston Jackson) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:19 2007 Subject: Manipulating text In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <8D480D33-2B0A-11D7-917B-000A279167C4@ee.byu.edu> In the in "Size" info pane you can specify the angle of an arbitrary object. Click on your text box. Then go to the size pane and rotate to your heart's content :) Preston pjackson@ee.byu.edu On Saturday, January 18, 2003, at 10:02 AM, Toni Kramer wrote: > I think this has to be simple, but I can't get it. > > I'm trying to get a text string to rotate to vertical. I don't want > the letters one under each other vertically, which I can do, but the > whole string to just turn so that it's vertical, not horizontal. > Anyone know do I do this? > > Thanks in advance. > > _______________________________________________ > OmniGraffle-Users mailing list > OmniGraffle-Users@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnigraffle-users From john at macdonald-design.com Sat Jan 18 12:06:05 2003 From: john at macdonald-design.com (John Lawton) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:19 2007 Subject: Using Omingraffle for... Message-ID: <354008C8-2B1E-11D7-A51D-0005027B5989@macdonald-design.com> I have really enjoyed using omnigraffle over the last year or so. It reminds me of the early drawing programs that I used to use to add figures to my chemistry reports. It was a shame to see those nifty little programs fall by the wayside but their successors such as Illustrator have had a positive impact on computing as well. Getting back to omnigraffle, I have used it to create website prototypes. I thought I'd share this with you all because it illustrates the versatility of this cool piece of software. I do have some problems with it. However, regardless of a few limitations, its still my favorite tool for quickly creating drawings. If you'd like to see the graphic, it will be available at http://criteradesign.com/graffle.html Here are some of the minor problems that I have encountered when creating the image: + All objects are anti-aliased. While this creates a warm and soft look to the final image, it would be nice to be able to have a little more control over what gets anti-aliased. This can create problems when converting the image into an HTML page. + I'd like to be able to create a line object. (Used as a vertical and horizontal separator) Currently I use a rectangle with the minimum width, and turn off the line color just leaving the shadow. I'd prefer to be able to select the line type, color and shading. + Object opacity: I'd like to be able to adjust the opacity of the object, allowing a partially obscured object to show through. + Ability to create a page size in pixels. I tried doing this by creating a custom template of 9" by 6" in page setup but it didn't work. (That part of the UI may need a little work) thats about it!! cheers, -john From hywel.thomas at bendigedig.co.uk Sat Jan 18 13:00:10 2003 From: hywel.thomas at bendigedig.co.uk (Hywel Thomas) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:19 2007 Subject: Using Omingraffle for... In-Reply-To: <354008C8-2B1E-11D7-A51D-0005027B5989@macdonald-design.com> Message-ID: <5675DBBC-2B27-11D7-AACC-003065430364@bendigedig.co.uk> I'd agree on the page size in pixels. I tried using Omnigraffle to create stills to use as titles for iMovie, but I couldn't get the images or page sizes to be the exact size I needed. A shame. I can do this in Appleworks, but drawing in Appleworks is NOT a nice thing to do now that I've discovered OG ! Regards, Hywel On Saturday, Jan 18, 2003, at 19:51 Europe/London, John Lawton wrote: > I have really enjoyed using omnigraffle over the last year or so. It > reminds me of the early drawing programs that I used to use to add > figures to my chemistry reports. It was a shame to see those nifty > little programs fall by the wayside but their successors such as > Illustrator have had a positive impact on computing as well. > > Getting back to omnigraffle, I have used it to create website > prototypes. I thought I'd share this with you all because it > illustrates the versatility of this cool piece of software. I do have > some problems with it. However, regardless of a few limitations, its > still my favorite tool for quickly creating drawings. > > If you'd like to see the graphic, it will be available at > > http://criteradesign.com/graffle.html > > Here are some of the minor problems that I have encountered when > creating the image: > > + All objects are anti-aliased. While this creates a warm and soft > look to the final image, it would be nice to be able to have a little > more control over what gets anti-aliased. This can create problems > when converting the image into an HTML page. > > + I'd like to be able to create a line object. (Used as a vertical and > horizontal separator) Currently I use a rectangle with the minimum > width, and turn off the line color just leaving the shadow. I'd > prefer to be able to select the line type, color and shading. > > + Object opacity: I'd like to be able to adjust the opacity of the > object, allowing a partially obscured object to show through. > > + Ability to create a page size in pixels. I tried doing this by > creating a custom template of 9" by 6" in page setup but it didn't > work. (That part of the UI may need a little work) > > thats about it!! > > cheers, > > -john > > _______________________________________________ > OmniGraffle-Users mailing list > OmniGraffle-Users@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnigraffle-users > From john at macdonald-design.com Sat Jan 18 14:49:32 2003 From: john at macdonald-design.com (John Lawton) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:19 2007 Subject: Manipulating text Message-ID: In my humble opinion, the "Size" option in the Info window should be renamed to something like "Transform", or "Orientation". I too was not able to figure out how to get a triangle in the orientation I wanted. I ended up using a diamond. =) -john > From: Preston Jackson > To: OmniGraffle-Users@omnigroup.com, Toni Kramer > > In the in "Size" info pane you can specify the angle of an arbitrary > object. Click on your text box. Then go to the size pane and rotate to > your heart's content :) > > Preston > pjackson@ee.byu.edu > > On Saturday, January 18, 2003, at 10:02 AM, Toni Kramer wrote: > >> I think this has to be simple, but I can't get it. >> >> I'm trying to get a text string to rotate to vertical. I don't want >> the letters one under each other vertically, which I can do, but the >> whole string to just turn so that it's vertical, not horizontal. >> Anyone know do I do this? >> >> Thanks in advance. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> OmniGraffle-Users mailing list >> OmniGraffle-Users@omnigroup.com >> http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnigraffle-users > > > > --__--__-- > > _______________________________________________ > OmniGraffle-Users mailing list > OmniGraffle-Users@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnigraffle-users From listera at rcn.com Sun Jan 19 14:07:01 2003 From: listera at rcn.com (Listera) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:19 2007 Subject: Keynote & OmniGraffle/OmniOutliner Message-ID: Since nobody has brought this up, I'll sacrifice myself. :-) Well, Keynote is here in all its glory and with a valiant attempt to redefine the word "minimalist" as it applies to features in a presentation package. For a lot of Mac people, though, this will soon become *the* presentation tool. Whether this is a blessing for OmniGraffle and OmniOutliner, I'm not entirely sure. With Keynote's anemic drawing tools and outliner, there could be endless possibilities for competition as well as integration. What do folks here think about Keynote's possibilities wrt OG and OO? Best, Ziya From lgorbet at unm.edu Sun Jan 19 15:59:01 2003 From: lgorbet at unm.edu (Larry Gorbet) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:19 2007 Subject: Keynote & OmniGraffle/OmniOutliner In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Ziya asked >What do folks here think about Keynote's possibilities wrt OG and OO? My colleague Sherman Wilcox bought Keynote a couple of days after the introduction and has been delighted with its use with OmniGraffle. After trying various export tactics, he discovered he could just drag an OmniGraffle graphic into Keynote and get excellent results. - Larry From listera at rcn.com Sun Jan 19 17:44:00 2003 From: listera at rcn.com (Listera) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:20 2007 Subject: Keynote & OmniGraffle/OmniOutliner In-Reply-To: Message-ID: "Larry Gorbet" wrote: > My colleague Sherman Wilcox bought Keynote a couple of days after the > introduction and has been delighted with its use with OmniGraffle. Keynote is very clean but far from feature-complete; it's missing just so much stuff. In any case, I recall a brief discussion by OmniFolk here about the possible/potential/upcoming *presentation* capabilities of OmniGraffle. I wonder if Keynote changes any of that. Best, Ziya From listera at rcn.com Sun Jan 19 18:24:01 2003 From: listera at rcn.com (Listera) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:20 2007 Subject: Keynote & OmniGraffle/OmniOutliner In-Reply-To: <2F9D247E-2C1D-11D7-9FFC-00039310453C@mac.com> Message-ID: "Bryan Zarnett" wrote: > I've had Keynote for a week plus now and have done several > presentations for the firm I am doing some consulting work with right > now. Copy-Paste from OG to Keynote is nice, and overall I have yet to > find something missing in Keynote. I agree, there are hundreds of > features in Powerpoint but how many people actually use them? I'm not a fan of PowerPoint but, from the lack of slide-based transition/build controls to (hyper)linking functionality, there are a lot missing in Keynote. > The capability to do an outline in outliner and then import it into > Keynote to be used as the outline -- now that would be cool (Hint Hint). And you wanted that bi-directional, no? :-) Best, Ziya From entropy at io.com Sun Jan 19 18:33:02 2003 From: entropy at io.com (Kiran Wagle) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:20 2007 Subject: Keynote & OmniGraffle/OmniOutliner Message-ID: At 16:53 -0700 1/19/03, Larry Gorbet wrote: > >After trying various export tactics, he discovered he could just >drag an OmniGraffle graphic into Keynote and get excellent results. Huh. I can't drag a graphic outside of an OG window, so I can't figure out if I can drag one to AppleWorks. ~ Kiran -- 301-254-1449 (cellphone) From pugh at mac.com Sun Jan 19 19:38:01 2003 From: pugh at mac.com (G. Allen Pugh) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:20 2007 Subject: Keynote & OmniGraffle/OmniOutliner In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <76EF8181-2C28-11D7-918B-000393CE40FA@mac.com> I bought Keynote for use at work in translating the endless stream of inane PowerPoint presentations... just one less Microsloth application cluttering the hard drive. However, my favorite way to make presentations is with OmniGraffle and GraphicConverter. Just prepare the slides-to-be in a single OG document - in any size or style - and save each element you want to become a slide as a PDF file. Put all the files in a single folder, and ask GraphicConverter to present them as a presentation (timed or keyed). If you're into form over substance, GC can even use Quicktime for elaborate transition effects. Of greater concern to me is the effect Safari will have on OmniWeb. Of course, all this information might be a bit easier to manage if only OmniOutliner would accept graphics from OmniGraffle (hint, hint). al On Sunday, January 19, 2003, at 04:56 PM, Listera wrote: > Whether this is a blessing for OmniGraffle and OmniOutliner, I'm not > entirely sure. With Keynote's anemic drawing tools and outliner, there > could > be endless possibilities for competition as well as integration. > What do folks here think about Keynote's possibilities wrt OG and OO? From listera at rcn.com Sun Jan 19 20:54:00 2003 From: listera at rcn.com (Listera) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:20 2007 Subject: Keynote & OmniGraffle/OmniOutliner In-Reply-To: Message-ID: "Larry Gorbet" wrote: > After trying various export tactics, he discovered he could just drag > an OmniGraffle graphic into Keynote and get excellent results. Interesting. How do you drag out graphics from OG? "Bryan Zarnett" wrote: > Copy-Paste from OG to Keynote is nice, There are some funkiness when you do that. A) You need to remember to check transparency in the Export Prefs, otherwise grouped or multi-selected graphics will have a solid background when pasted into Keynote. B) The problem where OG anti-aliases the left and bottom sides of, say, a solid square bitmap pasted into OG, remains (predictably) a problem when pasted into Keynote as well. C) A much stranger problem is this: I have about half dozen bitmaps plus some OG lines on three layers, all visible. If I do a select all, copy and paste in Keynote, a bitmap in the middle gets noticeably fuzzier than the original in OG. Just that one. If I simply select that graphic and paste it by itself, no problems. E) But if I then scale down what was pasted from OG within Keynote, both the unwanted anti-alising and the image fuzziness are gone, as can be seen when zoomed in at 200%. F) Multiple, ungrouped items pasted into Keynote from OG, remain a single unit...bummer. G) If you copy text from OG and paste into Keynote it comes a graphic and is thus uneditable. But you can put a nice shadow on it in Keynote and the shadow goes not around the bounding box (as a graphic would) but around all the letters (as editable text would :-). I'll play some more when I get a moment. Best, Ziya From greg at omnigroup.com Tue Jan 21 09:26:00 2003 From: greg at omnigroup.com (Greg Titus) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:20 2007 Subject: Keynote & OmniGraffle/OmniOutliner In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <4911F663-2CE3-11D7-A831-0003938E4E32@omnigroup.com> On Sunday, January 19, 2003, at 08:53 PM, Listera wrote: >> After trying various export tactics, he discovered he could just drag >> an OmniGraffle graphic into Keynote and get excellent results. > > Interesting. How do you drag out graphics from OG? Hold down option while clicking to start dragging a graphic. Or do it from a palette instead of a document. > "Bryan Zarnett" wrote: > >> Copy-Paste from OG to Keynote is nice, > > There are some funkiness when you do that. > > A) You need to remember to check transparency in the Export Prefs, > otherwise grouped or multi-selected graphics will have a solid > background > when pasted into Keynote. Yes, we need to change this. We should probably always use transparency when copying. > B) The problem where OG anti-aliases the left and bottom sides of, > say, a > solid square bitmap pasted into OG, remains (predictably) a problem > when > pasted into Keynote as well. This is a bug that has been fixed internally and will be in the next release. > C) A much stranger problem is this: I have about half dozen bitmaps > plus > some OG lines on three layers, all visible. If I do a select all, copy > and > paste in Keynote, a bitmap in the middle gets noticeably fuzzier than > the > original in OG. Just that one. If I simply select that graphic and > paste it > by itself, no problems. > E) But if I then scale down what was pasted from OG within Keynote, > both the > unwanted anti-alising and the image fuzziness are gone, as can be seen > when > zoomed in at 200%. Odd. We'll have to see if we can reproduce these. - Greg From jwinshell at bearriver.com Tue Jan 21 17:38:12 2003 From: jwinshell at bearriver.com (Jason Winshell) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:20 2007 Subject: serious export-clipping bug Message-ID: I have noticed the following serious bug in all recent versions of Omnigraffle including, 2.1.1 beta 1 (v34.19). *** SERIOUS *** problems related to CLIPPING Pick any export format: (1) have nothing selected in document (2) export, ANY format, all graphics or entire doc, w or w/o border space PRODUCES BLANK DOCUMENT - even though x,y,width,height show correctly (1) select all (2) export, ANY format, "selected graphics" PRODUCES a CLIPPED DOCUMENT (only small piece of doc) The only work around I have found is: (1) select all (2) export, ANY format, entire doc Basically, have a selection, but choose entire document export. Without a selection you get a blank document. The workaround unfortunately creates a document with white space margin (8.5x11). NOTE: This bugs exist in your most recent "released" version as well. Considering that exporting is the only reliable way to place graphics into other programs such as MS-word (clipboard conversion is quite bad), an immediate update should be posted. I am running 10.2.3. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jason Winshell, Principal Consulting Engineer jwinshell@bearriver.com Bear River Associates, Inc. http://www.bearriver.com From jwinshell at bearriver.com Wed Jan 22 16:14:27 2003 From: jwinshell at bearriver.com (Jason Winshell) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:20 2007 Subject: serious noise problems in JPEG exports Message-ID: JPEG - serious noise problems in JPEG exports Omnigraffle 2.1.1 beta 1 (v34.19) OS X 10.2.3 Create a simple document with consisting of a rectangle with a 1 pixel black border and a white fill, no shadows. In the middle of that rectangle create a smaller solid black rectangle, no shadows. *************** * * * ***** * * ***** * * ***** * * ***** * * * *************** Export this Omnigraffle document using the best JPEG setting (biggest file, least lossy). Open the the resulting jpeg file with PhotoShop. You will find large number of faint grey pixels near the black area. Using the "levels" tool you will see all the gray pixels. These are not pixels are not anti-aliasing. The pixels are noise. Repeat the experiment by creating the same graphic in Photoshop. Save the jpg at the highest quality level. Reopen the jpg file produced by Photoshop. You will see it has no noise -- just a nice looking black and white image. Same is result if you use GraphicConverter (using Quicktime library for jpeg i/o). Bottom line: Omnigraffle is not performing JPEG i/o properly -- noise always results in inappropriate ways. Omnigraffle cannot produce nice looking JPEGs for plain black and white diagrams. Arggh! -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jason Winshell, Principal Consulting Engineer jwinshell@bearriver.com Bear River Associates, Inc. http://www.bearriver.com From support at omnigroup.com Sun Jan 26 12:37:03 2003 From: support at omnigroup.com (David C. Kasprzyk) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:20 2007 Subject: Using Omingraffle for... In-Reply-To: <5675DBBC-2B27-11D7-AACC-003065430364@bendigedig.co.uk> Message-ID: Dear Hywel and John: First off, in regards to your page size in pixels request it would be nice to be able to directly specify a page size by the default units you have set (with the option to specify in inches). I will file this into our database for consideration, but in the meantime, you can still get the desired page size in pixels as every inch has 72 pixels in it. After you specify the page size, go into the Pages Info panel and set the margins to 0pt and now you will have a document of the exact pixel size you are looking for. As for your other requests John, first you can already set the opacity level of shapes in OmniGraffle. This is done with the opacity slider on the Color panel, and can be used to add transparency to both shapes and images. We have resolved the anti-aliasing issue in our latest internal builds, so this fix should be part of our next release. And finally, I'm not sure what you are looking for in your line object request. Can't you just use a standard line drawn to the desired size and then adjust the thickness, color, and shadow. Please let me know if this is not what you are looking for. If you have any additional comments or questions please feel free to let me know and I will be happy to assist you. Sincerely, David Kasprzyk OmniGraffle Project Coordinator support@omnigroup.com On Saturday, Jan 18, 2003, at 12:56 US/Pacific, Hywel Thomas wrote: > I'd agree on the page size in pixels. I tried using Omnigraffle to > create stills to use as titles for iMovie, but I couldn't get the > images or page sizes to be the exact size I needed. A shame. I can > do this in Appleworks, but drawing in Appleworks is NOT a nice thing > to do now that I've discovered OG ! > > Regards, > > Hywel > > > On Saturday, Jan 18, 2003, at 19:51 Europe/London, John Lawton wrote: > >> I have really enjoyed using omnigraffle over the last year or so. It >> reminds me of the early drawing programs that I used to use to add >> figures to my chemistry reports. It was a shame to see those nifty >> little programs fall by the wayside but their successors such as >> Illustrator have had a positive impact on computing as well. >> >> Getting back to omnigraffle, I have used it to create website >> prototypes. I thought I'd share this with you all because it >> illustrates the versatility of this cool piece of software. I do have >> some problems with it. However, regardless of a few limitations, its >> still my favorite tool for quickly creating drawings. >> >> If you'd like to see the graphic, it will be available at >> >> http://criteradesign.com/graffle.html >> >> Here are some of the minor problems that I have encountered when >> creating the image: >> >> + All objects are anti-aliased. While this creates a warm and soft >> look to the final image, it would be nice to be able to have a little >> more control over what gets anti-aliased. This can create problems >> when converting the image into an HTML page. >> >> + I'd like to be able to create a line object. (Used as a vertical >> and horizontal separator) Currently I use a rectangle with the >> minimum width, and turn off the line color just leaving the shadow. >> I'd prefer to be able to select the line type, color and shading. >> >> + Object opacity: I'd like to be able to adjust the opacity of the >> object, allowing a partially obscured object to show through. >> >> + Ability to create a page size in pixels. I tried doing this by >> creating a custom template of 9" by 6" in page setup but it didn't >> work. (That part of the UI may need a little work) >> >> thats about it!! >> >> cheers, >> >> -john >> >> _______________________________________________ >> OmniGraffle-Users mailing list >> OmniGraffle-Users@omnigroup.com >> http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnigraffle-users >> > > _______________________________________________ > OmniGraffle-Users mailing list > OmniGraffle-Users@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnigraffle-users > From jsp at designframe.com Sun Jan 26 13:39:01 2003 From: jsp at designframe.com (James Spahr) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:20 2007 Subject: Scripting Tip Message-ID: <817C2398-3176-11D7-810C-000393CE1C1E@designframe.com> I finally discovered the way to create shapes and specify the layer they should be created in. tell front document of application "OmniGraffle" set shp to make new shape at end of (graphics of layer "Layer 2") with properties ? {aligns edges to grid:true, origin:{12, 12}, size:{90, 90}, name:"Circle"} ? set shpid to the id of shp end tell Perhaps this will help someone, since changing the layer afterwards in not an option, nor is assigning the shape a layer in the properties list. (I also tried GUI scripting it, with no luck) James. From hywel.thomas at bendigedig.co.uk Sun Jan 26 18:25:01 2003 From: hywel.thomas at bendigedig.co.uk (Hywel Thomas) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:20 2007 Subject: Using Omingraffle for... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <2B50BDC3-319E-11D7-B0EA-003065430364@bendigedig.co.uk> Dear David, Setting the margins to zero has solved my problem. I've checked the exported dimensions in Graphic Convertor and they're spot on. I now have a perfect PAL DV sized page to work with (and don't have to use Appleworks !) . If anyone needs to convert accurately from inches to centimetres in order to do this sort of thing, the Jaguar calculator does a fine job of conversions. Thanks & Regards, Hywel. On Sunday, Jan 26, 2003, at 20:36 Europe/London, David C. Kasprzyk wrote: > Dear Hywel and John: > > First off, in regards to your page size in pixels request it would be > nice to be able to directly specify a page size by the default units > you have set (with the option to specify in inches). I will file this > into our database for consideration, but in the meantime, you can > still get the desired page size in pixels as every inch has 72 pixels > in it. > > After you specify the page size, go into the Pages Info panel and set > the margins to 0pt and now you will have a document of the exact pixel > size you are looking for. > > As for your other requests John, first you can already set the opacity > level of shapes in OmniGraffle. This is done with the opacity slider > on the Color panel, and can be used to add transparency to both shapes > and images. > > We have resolved the anti-aliasing issue in our latest internal > builds, so this fix should be part of our next release. > > And finally, I'm not sure what you are looking for in your line object > request. Can't you just use a standard line drawn to the desired size > and then adjust the thickness, color, and shadow. Please let me know > if this is not what you are looking for. > > If you have any additional comments or questions please feel free to > let me know and I will be happy to assist you. > > Sincerely, > > David Kasprzyk > OmniGraffle Project Coordinator > support@omnigroup.com > > On Saturday, Jan 18, 2003, at 12:56 US/Pacific, Hywel Thomas wrote: > >> I'd agree on the page size in pixels. I tried using Omnigraffle to >> create stills to use as titles for iMovie, but I couldn't get the >> images or page sizes to be the exact size I needed. A shame. I can >> do this in Appleworks, but drawing in Appleworks is NOT a nice thing >> to do now that I've discovered OG ! >> >> Regards, >> >> Hywel >> >> >> On Saturday, Jan 18, 2003, at 19:51 Europe/London, John Lawton wrote: >> >>> I have really enjoyed using omnigraffle over the last year or so. It >>> reminds me of the early drawing programs that I used to use to add >>> figures to my chemistry reports. It was a shame to see those nifty >>> little programs fall by the wayside but their successors such as >>> Illustrator have had a positive impact on computing as well. >>> >>> Getting back to omnigraffle, I have used it to create website >>> prototypes. I thought I'd share this with you all because it >>> illustrates the versatility of this cool piece of software. I do >>> have some problems with it. However, regardless of a few >>> limitations, its still my favorite tool for quickly creating >>> drawings. >>> >>> If you'd like to see the graphic, it will be available at >>> >>> http://criteradesign.com/graffle.html >>> >>> Here are some of the minor problems that I have encountered when >>> creating the image: >>> >>> + All objects are anti-aliased. While this creates a warm and soft >>> look to the final image, it would be nice to be able to have a >>> little more control over what gets anti-aliased. This can create >>> problems when converting the image into an HTML page. >>> >>> + I'd like to be able to create a line object. (Used as a vertical >>> and horizontal separator) Currently I use a rectangle with the >>> minimum width, and turn off the line color just leaving the shadow. >>> I'd prefer to be able to select the line type, color and shading. >>> >>> + Object opacity: I'd like to be able to adjust the opacity of the >>> object, allowing a partially obscured object to show through. >>> >>> + Ability to create a page size in pixels. I tried doing this by >>> creating a custom template of 9" by 6" in page setup but it didn't >>> work. (That part of the UI may need a little work) >>> >>> thats about it!! >>> >>> cheers, >>> >>> -john >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> OmniGraffle-Users mailing list >>> OmniGraffle-Users@omnigroup.com >>> http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnigraffle-users >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> OmniGraffle-Users mailing list >> OmniGraffle-Users@omnigroup.com >> http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnigraffle-users >> > > _______________________________________________ > OmniGraffle-Users mailing list > OmniGraffle-Users@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnigraffle-users > From entropy at io.com Thu Jan 30 11:43:03 2003 From: entropy at io.com (Kiran Wagle) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:20 2007 Subject: Copy and paste into AppleWorks Message-ID: I can't copy a drawing and paste it into AppleWorks. I get a black square. Anyone else seeing this behavior? (The Finder's clipboard also shows just a black square.) I managed to do this a few months ago, but it seems to be broken now. The new drawings in the file can't be pasted, and the old drawings in the same file can't be pasted either. A friend is using the same versions of OG and OS X (2.1 and 10.2.3) so I'm attributing the problem to QuickTime 6.1, which I have and she doesn't have. ~ Kiran -- 301-254-1449 (cellphone) From heywood_si at mac.com Thu Jan 30 12:41:43 2003 From: heywood_si at mac.com (Simon Heywood) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:20 2007 Subject: Copy and paste into AppleWorks In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Kiran, I think the problem is probably to do with transparency. When doing, edit>select all, then edit > copy in OG and then pasting into appleworks transparent areas are coming in black, i.e. namely the background. Otherwise it works ok ish. 10.2.3, Quicktime 6.1, OG 2.1 (v34.15) Regards, Si. On Thursday, January 30, 2003, at 07:39 PM, Kiran Wagle wrote: > I can't copy a drawing and paste it into AppleWorks. I get a black > square. Anyone else seeing this behavior? (The Finder's clipboard > also shows just a black square.) > > I managed to do this a few months ago, but it seems to be broken now. > The new drawings in the file can't be pasted, and the old drawings in > the same file can't be pasted either. A friend is using the same > versions of OG and OS X (2.1 and 10.2.3) so I'm attributing the > problem to QuickTime 6.1, which I have and she doesn't have. > > ~ Kiran > -- > > 301-254-1449 (cellphone) ? Choose how to best waste your time: ? 1) Visit another useless website ? www.i5m.co.uk ? 2) send mail to another useless email address ? simon.heywood@i5m.co.uk ? 3) Have a beer From hcabarcas at sbcglobal.net Sat Feb 1 21:23:00 2003 From: hcabarcas at sbcglobal.net (HMCB) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:20 2007 Subject: OmniOutliner Integration Message-ID: <5430BA6C-366E-11D7-ABD3-00039377AB02@sbcglobal.net> Am I missing something here or can't OmniGraffle import OmniOutliner files with the outline text intact? The structure is imported perfectly but I get generic TOPIC text in each box. Please say it isn't so! :::::::::::: HMCB From listera at rcn.com Sat Feb 1 21:57:01 2003 From: listera at rcn.com (Listera) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:20 2007 Subject: OmniOutliner Integration In-Reply-To: <5430BA6C-366E-11D7-ABD3-00039377AB02@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: "HMCB" wrote: > Please say it isn't so! It ain't so. (OO 2.1.1 & OG 2.1) Best, Ziya From dvorak at omnigroup.com Mon Feb 3 15:05:02 2003 From: dvorak at omnigroup.com (Brian C.) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:20 2007 Subject: OmniOutliner Integration In-Reply-To: <200302022001.h12K1YL11459@slowbro.omnigroup.com> Message-ID: <8C95E2B5-37CB-11D7-8071-003065B22C50@omnigroup.com> You're using the beta release of OmniOutliner, which has an updated file format which Graffle does not understand. Downgrade to the last final release if you need to export to OmniGraffle... Sincerely, Brian C. Support Manager Omni Group On Sunday, February 2, 2003, at 12:01 PM, omnigraffle-users-request@omnigroup.com wrote: > Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 00:22:31 -0500 > Subject: OmniOutliner Integration > From: HMCB > To: omnigraffle-users@omnigroup.com > > Am I missing something here or can't OmniGraffle import OmniOutliner > files with the outline text intact? The structure is imported perfectly > but I get generic TOPIC text in each box. Please say it isn't so! > > :::::::::::: > HMCB From jwinshell at bearriver.com Tue Feb 4 12:46:02 2003 From: jwinshell at bearriver.com (Jason Winshell) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:20 2007 Subject: creating smart shapes like UML class entity Message-ID: The class entity widget in the UML diagram: class ---------- attributes ---------- operations Does not seem to be a "group". Yet it somehow is drawing separator lines between the class/attributes/operations sections that make room for lines of text you type. How can I create similar smart shapes? Jason -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jason Winshell, Principal Consulting Engineer jwinshell@bearriver.com Bear River Associates, Inc. http://www.bearriver.com From jwinshell at bearriver.com Tue Feb 4 13:22:02 2003 From: jwinshell at bearriver.com (Jason Winshell) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:20 2007 Subject: selection lags behind mouse Message-ID: I'm running OG on a 1ghz powerbook. I'm finding that the live selection rectangle lacks noticeably behind the mouse position in a drawing with less than 50 shapes. It's pretty outrageous that something as basic a selecting all the shapes in a bounding box should be so slow on a top of the line CPU. I've been talking this and other basic performance problems since version 1.0. I'd happily give up live selection feedback over usability. Comments? -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jason Winshell, Principal Consulting Engineer jwinshell@bearriver.com Bear River Associates, Inc. http://www.bearriver.com From orb at jump.net Tue Feb 4 15:00:01 2003 From: orb at jump.net (Norman Richards) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:20 2007 Subject: creating smart shapes like UML class entity In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <44739436-3894-11D7-93D4-000A95663E3E@jump.net> On Tuesday, February 4, 2003, at 02:45 PM, Jason Winshell wrote: > The class entity widget in the UML diagram: > > [...] > Does not seem to be a "group". Yet it somehow is drawing separator > lines between the class/attributes/operations sections that make room > for lines of text you type. How can I create similar smart shapes? > I'm very interested in this too. I'd really like a box like that with an arbitrary number of compartments. It would solve a lot of my problems.... From support at omnigroup.com Tue Feb 4 15:04:01 2003 From: support at omnigroup.com (David C. Kasprzyk) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:20 2007 Subject: creating smart shapes like UML class entity Message-ID: Dear Mr. Winshell: Thank you for your support of OmniGraffle. In regards to your message, the UML class shape is a special shape with in Graffle that was individually coded into the application so unfortunately there is currently no way to create shapes of your own like this. As for your speed issues, we know that this is a major problem with OmniGraffle 2.x and we are working hard to greatly improve the responsiveness of Graffle for the release of OG 3.0. If you have any additional comments or questions please feel free to let us know and we will be happy to assist you. Sincerely, David Kasprzyk support@omnigroup.com Join the OmniGraffle Users List http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnigraffle-users On Tuesday, Feb 4, 2003, at 12:45 US/Pacific, Jason Winshell wrote: > The class entity widget in the UML diagram: > > class > ---------- > attributes > ---------- > operations > > Does not seem to be a "group". Yet it somehow is drawing separator > lines between the class/attributes/operations sections that make room > for lines of text you type. How can I create similar smart shapes? > On Tuesday, Feb 4, 2003, at 13:21 US/Pacific, Jason Winshell wrote: > I'm running OG on a 1ghz powerbook. I'm finding that the live > selection rectangle lacks noticeably behind the mouse position in a > drawing with less than 50 shapes. It's pretty outrageous that > something as basic a selecting all the shapes in a bounding box should > be so slow on a top of the line CPU. I've been talking this and other > basic performance problems since version 1.0. I'd happily give up > live selection feedback over usability. Comments? From loeffler at onr.com Tue Feb 4 20:03:02 2003 From: loeffler at onr.com (David Loeffler) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:20 2007 Subject: creating smart shapes like UML class entity In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <7F7D1636-38BE-11D7-98EE-00039367A0D0@onr.com> Okay - when is OG 3.0 due? On Tuesday, February 4, 2003, at 05:02 PM, David C. Kasprzyk wrote: > Dear Mr. Winshell: > > Thank you for your support of OmniGraffle. In regards to your > message, the UML class shape is a special shape with in Graffle that > was individually coded into the application so unfortunately there is > currently no way to create shapes of your own like this. > > As for your speed issues, we know that this is a major problem with > OmniGraffle 2.x and we are working hard to greatly improve the > responsiveness of Graffle for the release of OG 3.0. > > If you have any additional comments or questions please feel free to > let us know and we will be happy to assist you. > > Sincerely, > > David Kasprzyk > support@omnigroup.com > > Join the OmniGraffle Users List > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnigraffle-users > > On Tuesday, Feb 4, 2003, at 12:45 US/Pacific, Jason Winshell wrote: > >> The class entity widget in the UML diagram: >> >> class >> ---------- >> attributes >> ---------- >> operations >> >> Does not seem to be a "group". Yet it somehow is drawing separator >> lines between the class/attributes/operations sections that make room >> for lines of text you type. How can I create similar smart shapes? >> > > On Tuesday, Feb 4, 2003, at 13:21 US/Pacific, Jason Winshell wrote: > >> I'm running OG on a 1ghz powerbook. I'm finding that the live >> selection rectangle lacks noticeably behind the mouse position in a >> drawing with less than 50 shapes. It's pretty outrageous that >> something as basic a selecting all the shapes in a bounding box >> should be so slow on a top of the line CPU. I've been talking this >> and other basic performance problems since version 1.0. I'd happily >> give up live selection feedback over usability. Comments? > > _______________________________________________ > OmniGraffle-Users mailing list > OmniGraffle-Users@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnigraffle-users > From roel.wuyts at iam.unibe.ch Wed Feb 5 07:32:01 2003 From: roel.wuyts at iam.unibe.ch (Roel Wuyts) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:20 2007 Subject: Bug? Unsharp text in shadowed box Message-ID: Hello, sorry if this is some known problem. I scanned for it on the archives and the faq but could not find it. Anyway... When you have a box that has one of these really nice shadows, then the text in that box is really unsharp (when printing it, or outputting it to pdf, etc.). Removing the shadow from the box results in a completely crisp image. I reckon this is a bug, since having the shadow on a box should definitely not impact my unshadowed text. Or am I missing some options (I would prefer that, since I quite like the shadow :-) ). Kind Regards, -- Roel Wuyts Software Composition Group roel.wuyts@iam.unibe.ch University of Bern, Switzerland http://www.iam.unibe.ch/~wuyts/ Board Member of the European Smalltalk User Group: www.esug.org From mholt at primex.co.uk Wed Feb 5 12:28:03 2003 From: mholt at primex.co.uk (Mark Holt) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:20 2007 Subject: creating smart shapes like UML class entity In-Reply-To: <200302052001.h15K1EL13047@slowbro.omnigroup.com> Message-ID: <143ABEDF-3948-11D7-9363-00306540C6BC@primex.co.uk> >> Does not seem to be a "group". Yet it somehow is drawing separator >> lines between the class/attributes/operations sections that make room >> for lines of text you type. How can I create similar smart shapes? I managed to do this by cheating and editing the .graffle file by hand: i) create and save a new graffle file with just a single UML text object in it. ii) Open the .graffle file in a standard text editor. iii) Somewhere in the file you will see: Class MultiTextGraphic Within this you will see: TextList ... iv) Within the tags you will see a number of .... v) Just copy the first ... and paste in as many compartments as you need. I've enclosed an example with two and 6 compartments. Mark -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: ExampleListComponent.graffle Type: application/octet-stream Size: 18974 bytes Desc: not available Url : /mailman/archive/omnigraffle-users/attachments/20030205/f2820382/ExampleListComponent.obj From support at omnigroup.com Wed Feb 5 13:31:02 2003 From: support at omnigroup.com (David C. Kasprzyk) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:20 2007 Subject: creating smart shapes like UML class entity In-Reply-To: <143ABEDF-3948-11D7-9363-00306540C6BC@primex.co.uk> Message-ID: <025953F6-3951-11D7-9F9E-0003935792D0@omnigroup.com> Mark: This is actually a great way to get around this that I forgot about. You can then save these edited shapes out to a palette for convenient drag and drop. I will see about creating a palette to be posted onto the OmniGraffle's Extras page for this. Sincerely, David Kasprzyk OmniGraffle Project Coordinator support@omnigroup.com On Wednesday, Feb 5, 2003, at 12:26 US/Pacific, Mark Holt wrote: >>> Does not seem to be a "group". Yet it somehow is drawing separator >>> lines between the class/attributes/operations sections that make room >>> for lines of text you type. How can I create similar smart shapes? > > I managed to do this by cheating and editing the .graffle file by hand: > > i) create and save a new graffle file with just a single UML text > object in it. > > ii) Open the .graffle file in a standard text editor. > > iii) Somewhere in the file you will see: > > Class > MultiTextGraphic > > Within this you will see: > > TextList > > ... > > > iv) Within the tags you will see a number of .... > > v) Just copy the first ... and paste in as many > compartments as you need. > > I've enclosed an example with two and 6 compartments. > > Mark > > From t.takashina at computer.org Thu Feb 20 23:22:01 2003 From: t.takashina at computer.org (Tomomi TAKASHINA) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:20 2007 Subject: Combination with RCS/CVS Message-ID: <8193551.1045812062801.JavaMail.t.takashina@computer.org> Hello, there. Recently, I began to use version control for OmniGraffle document. It's pretty comfortable. I've found that some special strings for RCS/CVS such as $Header$ in OmniGraffle document are correctly substituted to revision, author, date and so on. For the case, sepecial string, say $Header$, should be placed in a fixed and enough size box. Because if the box is automatic sizable one, you need to adjust box size manually after substitution has occured. Now I'm working on AppleScript to automize this version control. =================================== Tomomi TAKASHINA http://homepage.mac.com/t_takashina =================================== From pete.boardman at pobox.com Fri Feb 21 03:04:03 2003 From: pete.boardman at pobox.com (peter boardman) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:20 2007 Subject: Text alignment problems Message-ID: I'm importing an OmniOutline document into OmniGraffle. My problem is that the ascenders of letters in text objects are touching the tops of the boxes, when set to ArialMT font. Generally, the letters move up and down inside the boxes depending on what font I select for them. Some fonts align correctly: Helvetica, for example - but for other fonts the letters are too high up inside the box. It's not just ArialMT: also AntiqueOlive, ITC Bauhaus, Friz Quadrata, News Gothic, ITC Avant Garde Gothic, Tekton, ITC Officina Serif to name a few. Why is it doing this? What can I do, apart from using a specific font, or exporting via PDF to Illustrator? Pete From peter at peter-stoehr.de Fri Feb 21 06:38:04 2003 From: peter at peter-stoehr.de (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Peter_St=F6hr?=) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:20 2007 Subject: SVG with OmniGraffle Message-ID: Hi, I have to create a lot of pictures and they have to be stored in the SVG format. OmniGraffle is my preferred tool for drawing. Unfortunately, I don't find a way to create SVG files. Is there any way to do this? Thanks for any advice Peter From entropy at io.com Fri Feb 21 13:57:29 2003 From: entropy at io.com (Kiran Wagle) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:20 2007 Subject: Distorting shapes Message-ID: I need to draw freehand shapes that are distortions of circles. I'd like to take actual circles and add handles and stretch 'em into the paths I need. Is there a way to distort shapes, or do I have to draw them freehand? (Even better would be to scan a drawing and turn that into a shape, but I assume that's not possible.) ~ Kiran -- 301-254-1449 (cellphone) From graffle at shreddies.org Sun Feb 23 10:21:04 2003 From: graffle at shreddies.org (James Turnbull) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:20 2007 Subject: Line Crossings Message-ID: <471C8AF4-475B-11D7-8978-000A9575B1A6@shreddies.org> Apologies if this has been covered before but I couldn't find anything in the list archives. The digram I am using omnigraffle to draw is pretty large and complex, with may overlapping lines. I was looking for some way to clearly show that these lines are crossing, rather than being connected. I was therefore looking for some way in omnigraffle for lines to "bridge" over each other, where the top line has a curve in it, sort of like a bridge over the other line. This is rather hard to explain, so I scanned in a little (2KB) example... http://shreddies.org/temp/bridgeexample.jpg Sadly I don't know what program this image was drawn with, otherwise I'd just use that :P So, is this possible in Omnigraffle? Thanks for any help, James -- __ ___ ______ James Turnbull __ / // _ \/_ __/ jdt@shreddies.org / // // // / / / \___//____/ /_/ Error 404: Witty Quote Not Found From peter at peter-stoehr.de Tue Feb 25 01:19:00 2003 From: peter at peter-stoehr.de (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Peter_St=F6hr?=) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:20 2007 Subject: Magnets not working? Message-ID: <08DC509A-48A2-11D7-953C-003065C8A9C4@peter-stoehr.de> Hi all OmniGraffle Users, I'm having a little problem with magnets using OmniGraffle (2.1.1. v34.20). Magnets are enabled (Format->Connection Magnets) and visible. Unfortunately, the are not used while drawing interconnecting lines between the objects. Am I missing something? Greetings Peter From toddh at fgm.com Tue Feb 25 06:12:02 2003 From: toddh at fgm.com (Todd Harbour) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:20 2007 Subject: Need Some Help Message-ID: I am interested in using OmniGraffle to illustrate some UML Sequence Diagrams. I've experimented some, but I can't get it quite right. Has anyone out there got any experience with this type of UML diagram? Would some one share an example with me? Thanks much in advance. -T- ========================================= Todd Harbour 571-276-2196 (Cell) 45245 Business Court 703-478-9881 (Talk) Dulles, Virginia 20166 703-478-9883 (Fax) From fheinstein at mac.com Tue Feb 25 09:05:11 2003 From: fheinstein at mac.com (Frank Einstein) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:20 2007 Subject: OG for genograms? Message-ID: <20030225170609.QOFQ1301.imf20bis.bellsouth.net@[192.168.1.125]> Does anyone out there use OG to draw genograms? Frank From support at omnigroup.com Thu Feb 27 18:06:01 2003 From: support at omnigroup.com (David C. Kasprzyk) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:20 2007 Subject: Distorting shapes In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Dear Mr. Wagle: Thank you for your support of OmniGraffle. In regards to your message, there is currently no way to do this in OmniGraffle. We are hoping to eventually add support for creating freehand curved shapes, but for now creating them outside of Graffle and then bringing them in is probably the best way to achieve this. If you have any additional comments or questions please feel free to let us know and we will be happy to assist you. Sincerely, David Kasprzyk support@omnigroup.com Join the OmniGraffle Users List http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnigraffle-users On Friday, Feb 21, 2003, at 13:44 US/Pacific, Kiran Wagle wrote: > I need to draw freehand shapes that are distortions of circles. I'd > like to take actual circles and add handles and stretch 'em into the > paths I need. Is there a way to distort shapes, or do I have to draw > them freehand? > > (Even better would be to scan a drawing and turn that into a shape, > but I assume that's not possible.) > > ~ Kiran > -- > > 301-254-1449 (cellphone) > _______________________________________________ > OmniGraffle-Users mailing list > OmniGraffle-Users@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnigraffle-users > From chris.ridd at isode.com Fri Feb 28 04:13:01 2003 From: chris.ridd at isode.com (Chris Ridd) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:20 2007 Subject: Text alignment problem? Message-ID: I've noticed a problem getting text in some fonts vertically aligned correctly. Helvetica works OK, but Lucida Grande doesn't. Verdana also doesn't. I've put a demonstration of what I mean at: The workaround's straightforward - just twiddle with the vertical alignment when you switch fonts - but only on shapes with one line of text. Has anyone else seen this, or is my system peculiar :-) Cheers, Chris From fraser at speirs.org Sun Mar 9 06:04:01 2003 From: fraser at speirs.org (Fraser Speirs) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:20 2007 Subject: New Version of Table Script Message-ID: Hi all, A few people had emailed me to say that my Table-building script had stopped working on some recent update of, um, something. I guess it might have been Graffle, or Mac OS X, or the new Script Editor. Personally, I suspect the Illuminati were involved, but whatever. There's a new version uploaded to http://www.speirs.org/graffle.php - the direct download link is http://www.speirs.org/downloads/TableScripts.dmg I'm not sure what the linkage is on the Graffle extras page, but these are the current URLs. Enjoy, Fraser PS: More about the Illuminati at http://www.conspiracyarchive.com/NWO/ From nathanst at cs.ucla.edu Mon Mar 10 16:59:01 2003 From: nathanst at cs.ucla.edu (Nathan Sturtevant) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:20 2007 Subject: tree layout... Message-ID: Hi - I'm just getting started with OmniGraffle, and I'm trying to put together some palettes for tree layout, and I've run into a bunch of questions. (Computer Science-style search trees, games trees, etc.) The basic idea is to connect a bunch of lines and shapes... : ) Any help or suggestions on how to accomplish these items, or do them more efficiently would be appreciated. * When you have 2 lines that connect to a shape at the same point, it is easy to accidentally connect the lines instead of connecting the lines to the shape. Is there any way to set up connectivity so that nothing can connect to a line, but a line can still connect to a shape? (I just updated to 2.1.1 and this is much better, but it'd be nice to eliminate the possibility all together.) * When you insert a line from a palette, you then have to click and drag multiple times to connect it up properly. It would be nice to be able to have several defaults for a particular shape, and then be able to draw them directly into a document. * You can group multiple objects in order to drag them out of a palette together, but I'd like to have a box and a line connected but not grouped, so I can drag them out of my palette and then be able to move the line around without having to ungroup them first. Any way to do something like this? Perhaps an AppleScript that automatically ungroups the objects when dropped in the document? * Is there any way to add custom start/finish shapes for a line? I'd like a line that ends with another short line that is perpendicular to the original line. * Last question. : ) For auto-layout, it's be nice to be able to use a slightly tighter grid. Any way/suggestions on how to do this? Thanks! Nathan --------- Nathan Sturtevant UCLA CS Graduate Student nathanst@cs.ucla.edu Artificial Intelligence http://www.cs.ucla.edu/~nathanst/ 4659 Boelter Hall -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Auto distributing magnets (so when a new magnet is added, the others move to evenly distribute themselves along the line Any way to emulate this, and or any hope for this in a future version? Genealogy is a large market in diagramming, and a very large consumer market. tim This Message is intended for the addressee named and may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete it and notify the sender. Views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and are not necessarily the views of The Macquarie Centre for Cognitive Science. From entropy at io.com Tue Mar 11 14:54:03 2003 From: entropy at io.com (Kiran Wagle) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:20 2007 Subject: Scaling drawings by % In-Reply-To: <1047408380.3e6e2efcdf2b3@www.maccs.mq.edu.au> References: <1047408380.3e6e2efcdf2b3@www.maccs.mq.edu.au> Message-ID: It seems to me there must be a way to scale drawings by a percentage in either or both directions, but I can't figure out how to do it. Is this just missing from the current version? (I need to shrink odd shapes to fit the new smaller scale of my drawings. Scaling shapes is by hand is trivial, but scaling the polygons is less easy.) Thanks in advance, ~ Kiran -- 301-254-1449 (cellphone) From pjackson at ee.byu.edu Tue Mar 11 15:12:01 2003 From: pjackson at ee.byu.edu (Preston Jackson) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:20 2007 Subject: Scaling drawings by % In-Reply-To: Message-ID: There are a couple of ways to accomplish scaling polygons. First, if you select the polygon and click on the "size" info pane you can manually adjust its height and width. If you have a group of objects, collect them into a group (Format->Group) and then you can use these fields to adjust the object. Alternatively, if you group the polygon with another shape, you can use the resize boxes that appear at the group's corners to adjust the size. If you don't have another polygon that you want to resize, make one, group it with the polygon, resize the group, ungroup the group, and delete the unwanted shape. Its kind of a hack, but it works. There may be more intelligent ways to accomplish the same thing, but these will work. Preston pjackson@ee.byu.edu On Tuesday, March 11, 2003, at 03:22 PM, Kiran Wagle wrote: > It seems to me there must be a way to scale drawings by a percentage > in either or both directions, but I can't figure out how to do it. Is > this just missing from the current version? > > (I need to shrink odd shapes to fit the new smaller scale of my > drawings. Scaling shapes is by hand is trivial, but scaling the > polygons is less easy.) > > Thanks in advance, > > ~ Kiran > -- > > 301-254-1449 (cellphone) > _______________________________________________ > OmniGraffle-Users mailing list > OmniGraffle-Users@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnigraffle-users From fheinstein at mac.com Wed Mar 12 19:14:00 2003 From: fheinstein at mac.com (Frank Einstein) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:20 2007 Subject: descent or genealogy diagram Message-ID: <20030313031517.IAWA5416.imf25bis.bellsouth.net@[192.168.1.125]> You're talking about genograms, right? I'm using (or trying to use) OG to draw genograms also. I have just started using OG for this purpose, and it's working better than I expected. I don't know how well it will do in making changes to a genogram that I am working on. I have noticed that when I try to remove a person, the line joining her to the rest of the family goes also, which is not what I intended. So, I'm still experimenting. I don't know if you can put magnets on lines. The auto distributing feature would be nice. I'm interested in knowing what success you have using OG for genograms. Frank >anybody drawing the kind of trees used in genetics research where you have >circles and square for female and male subjects, then marriage is a >horizontal >line joining two people, and children come from a vertical descending line >bisecting the parental join-line, followed by a horizontal line to which >children (squares and circles) are joined by further vertical lines? > >I can manually get this design, but it is very cumbersome. What would be >nice >would be to have: > >1. Magnets on lines (can't do this?) >2. Auto distributing magnets (so when a new magnet is added, the others >move to >evenly distribute themselves along the line > >Any way to emulate this, and or any hope for this in a future version? From smoore at flintconsulting.co.uk Mon Mar 17 06:08:00 2003 From: smoore at flintconsulting.co.uk (Scott Moore) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:20 2007 Subject: Problems opening Diagrams Saved in Beta4 Message-ID: Hi, Is anyone having problems opening diagrams in the new Professional version, that were created using Beta 4. I can edit it fine if I open it in beta 4 I can make a copy of this file available if anyone is interested in having a look. Scott From entropy at io.com Mon Mar 17 10:32:01 2003 From: entropy at io.com (Kiran Wagle) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:20 2007 Subject: Problems opening Diagrams Saved in Beta4 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: >Is anyone having problems opening diagrams in the new Professional >version, that were created using Beta 4. I can edit it fine if I >open it in beta 4 WHAT new professional version? Nobody ever tells me ANYthing. :-( (Does it fix that damn QuickTime bug that prevents me from copying and pasting anything but a black square under 10.2.4 and QT 6.1?) ~ Kiran -- 301-254-1449 (cellphone) From chris.ridd at isode.com Tue Mar 18 07:12:01 2003 From: chris.ridd at isode.com (Chris Ridd) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:20 2007 Subject: Problems opening Diagrams Saved in Beta4 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 17/3/03 6:23 pm, Kiran Wagle wrote: >> Is anyone having problems opening diagrams in the new Professional >> version, that were created using Beta 4. I can edit it fine if I >> open it in beta 4 > > WHAT new professional version? Nobody ever tells me ANYthing. :-( > (Does it fix that damn QuickTime bug that prevents me from copying > and pasting anything but a black square under 10.2.4 and QT 6.1?) The article doesn't mention :-) Looks like a great upgrade though! > ~ Kiran Cheers, Chris From support at omnigroup.com Tue Mar 18 13:38:04 2003 From: support at omnigroup.com (David C. Kasprzyk) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:20 2007 Subject: OmniGraffle 2.1.2 beta 1 Released Message-ID: <8E7DC672-5989-11D7-82D0-0003935792D0@omnigroup.com> Hey all: I just release OmniGraffle 2.1.2 beta 1, and if you use the Outliner import functionality within OmniGraffle you'll definitely want to pick up this update. Here's what's new in this release: ? Updated OmniGraffle's Outliner Import functionality to support documents created by OmniOutliner 2.2 and later. ? Minor updates to the French localization. If you have any additional comments or questions please feel free to let me know and I will be happy to assist you. Sincerely, David Kasprzyk OmniGraffle Project Coordinator support@omnigroup.com From jtyzack at mac.com Wed Mar 19 03:21:02 2003 From: jtyzack at mac.com (Jonathan Tyzack) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:20 2007 Subject: OmniGraffle-Users digest, Vol 1 #284 - 1 msg In-Reply-To: <200303182001.h2IK1aL17722@slowbro.omnigroup.com> Message-ID: Hi, I've been beta testing OG 3 as well and have put up a quick preview at: http://forums.macnn.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=1295049#post1295049 It is going to be well worth the upgrade with lots of great new features and enhancements. As for the Quicktime/copy paste bug, if Kiran can give me some more specific details as to what the issue is, I'll try and check it out for you. Cheers, Jonathan On Tuesday, March 18, 2003, at 08:01 pm, omnigraffle-users-request@omnigroup.com wrote: > Send OmniGraffle-Users mailing list submissions to > omnigraffle-users@omnigroup.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnigraffle-users > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > omnigraffle-users-request@omnigroup.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > omnigraffle-users-admin@omnigroup.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of OmniGraffle-Users digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Problems opening Diagrams Saved in Beta4 (Chris Ridd) > > --__--__-- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 15:10:43 +0000 > Subject: Re: Problems opening Diagrams Saved in Beta4 > From: Chris Ridd > To: > > On 17/3/03 6:23 pm, Kiran Wagle wrote: > >>> Is anyone having problems opening diagrams in the new Professional >>> version, that were created using Beta 4. I can edit it fine if I >>> open it in beta 4 >> >> WHAT new professional version? Nobody ever tells me ANYthing. :-( > > > >> (Does it fix that damn QuickTime bug that prevents me from copying >> and pasting anything but a black square under 10.2.4 and QT 6.1?) > > The article doesn't mention :-) > > Looks like a great upgrade though! > >> ~ Kiran > > Cheers, > > Chris > > > > --__--__-- > > _______________________________________________ > OmniGraffle-Users mailing list > OmniGraffle-Users@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnigraffle-users > > > End of OmniGraffle-Users Digest > > From fraser at speirs.org Wed Mar 19 05:37:00 2003 From: fraser at speirs.org (Fraser Speirs) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:20 2007 Subject: OmniGraffle 2.1.2 beta 1 Released In-Reply-To: <8E7DC672-5989-11D7-82D0-0003935792D0@omnigroup.com> Message-ID: On Tuesday, March 18, 2003, at 09:35 PM, David C. Kasprzyk wrote: > Updated OmniGraffle's Outliner Import functionality to support > documents created by OmniOutliner 2.2 and later. So I just tried to make a new style group for Outline import (first time I've ever done this). It appeared to be a clone of the "Bubbles" group. I can't seem to change any of the properties of the topics. The Style and Shape inspectors have no effect on either the preview or the actual imported outline. Any tips? Cheers, Fraser -- http://www.speirs.org - http://www.mycamera.org.uk From nabzif at mac.com Wed Mar 19 19:41:00 2003 From: nabzif at mac.com (Michael L. Waddell) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:20 2007 Subject: GIF export flakey? Message-ID: Is there a trick to exporting a simple chart to GIF? I'm trying to export a simple, single-color (black), no-shadow, no-transparency flowchart to GIF, using only objects from the Basic palette, and it's breaking up some of the graphics. What's bizarre is that if I view the exported GIF in Preview or GraphicConverter, it looks completely fubar'd...but if I view it in Internet Explorer, it looks *mostly* ok, still with some artifacts. I'm using OmniGraffle 2.1.1, however I also had the problem in 2.0.8. Any input would be appreciated. MLW From erithacus at mac.com Wed Mar 19 22:28:03 2003 From: erithacus at mac.com (Erithacus rubecula) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:20 2007 Subject: feature request (maybe not for OG3) Message-ID: Hi, A while back (i mysteriously managed to dump a months worth of emails) on the OO discussion list, we were asked by Brian C. what were some of the features that we'd like to have implemented into OO vers. 3. My own request (made intermittently every few months), is the ability to see true inter compatability between OmniOutliner and OmniGraffle. That is the ability to be able to generate an OG document from an OO document and then, if you made changes to the OG document, that this would be reflected in the OO document. This of course should work both ways equally well (OG to OO and back again). Or even (to put the dual package of OO and OG on an equal footing with Inspiration) the ability to go from ideas in OG and then to automatically create and outline in OO (instead of having to start with OO and then go to OG). I was surprised on the OO list (given the number of folks that like Inspiration) that this was not a more popular request. However, the reply back from Brian C. was that this was not something that OO could handle (it went a bit too technical for me) and that instead this was something that would have to be implemented in OG. Maybe David can comment on this? I'd certainly like to have this as my biggest feature request. Given that sneak previews of OG3 are now about - I guess I missed the boat on this round. But if there are other OG/OO users who might like this - if this is a feature that you also wanted to be included I guess an email request (cut paste and 'ditto') might raise the profile, as the Omni folks across the various applications have stated many times that it's those that cry loudest with their feature requests that tend to get attended to first. If I'm truly one of the few that wanted this inter-operability, then I guess it's another in the list of increasingly many things that I'm learning every day :-) Best Robin From listera at rcn.com Wed Mar 19 22:37:01 2003 From: listera at rcn.com (Listera) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:20 2007 Subject: feature request (maybe not for OG3) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: "Erithacus rubecula" wrote: > Given that sneak previews of OG3 are now about Not having seen OG3, do we know that this was not implemented? Ziya From brian at sinebubble.com Thu Mar 20 12:21:04 2003 From: brian at sinebubble.com (Brian Hostetler) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:20 2007 Subject: auto sizing of shape for image Message-ID: Sorry if this has been asked a billion or more times, but is it possible to auto-size a shape to the image it's filled with? I didn't find anything in the archives, but it's possible my search keywords were not perfect. -- From fraser at speirs.org Thu Mar 20 15:05:01 2003 From: fraser at speirs.org (Fraser Speirs) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:20 2007 Subject: MacNN: Graffle 3.0 pricing, upgrade policy Message-ID: <84790F4A-5B25-11D7-B0F0-000393A1531E@speirs.org> MacNN is reporting on the pricing and upgrade policy for Graffle 3.0: "The standard version is $70 ($25 upgrade), while the Pro version is $120 ($60 upgrade from version 2.0 until end of May; $75 thereafter)" http://www.macnn.com/news/18846 I'm off to warm up my credit card.... Cheers, Fraser -- http://www.speirs.org - http://www.mycamera.org.uk From mark at imap-partners.net Thu Mar 20 15:17:00 2003 From: mark at imap-partners.net (mark) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:20 2007 Subject: MacNN: Graffle 3.0 pricing, upgrade policy In-Reply-To: <84790F4A-5B25-11D7-B0F0-000393A1531E@speirs.org> Message-ID: On Thursday, March 20, 2003, at 11:44 PM, Fraser Speirs wrote: > MacNN is reporting on the pricing and upgrade policy for Graffle 3.0: > > "The standard version is $70 ($25 upgrade), while the Pro version is > $120 ($60 upgrade from version 2.0 until end of May; $75 thereafter)" > > I'm off to warm up my credit card.... Seems reasonable. Its a fairly hefty feature list. I'm not sure if the pro version is sufficiently tempting for those who (like me) do not need the Visio compatibility or multi-page HTML export. Will be interested to see what the "keyboard editing" involves. That and the hyperlinking might swing it. mark. From data at ieee.org Thu Mar 20 21:49:01 2003 From: data at ieee.org (Michael Ashton) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:20 2007 Subject: SVG in 3? Message-ID: Waaaayyy too late to be suggesting 3.0 features now, obviously, but I figured I'd try to keep hope alive for the future anyway ... So I'm saying it now: I want SVG export. (Note that I didn't say "import". That would be nice, but not vital.) I'm aware of Dinu Gherman's AppleScript, BTW, so maybe I should give it more whirls than I have already ... Also, I've looked at the 2.x file format. It's nothing but a plist in XML. Very, very reverse-engineerable, shouldn't be impossible to go from that to SVG. But it sure would be nice to hear Omni themselves say "why yes, we too would love to see SVG export one day, now stop bothering us so we can get it ready for 3.2." :) Now I, too, am going to warm up the ol' credit card. Yes, I'm sold on 3.0 Pro already. I'm completely hooked. Hope you Omni software pushers are happy. ;) cheers ---- Michael Ashton Peruvian intellectual Hernando de Soto on why his two dogs are named Marx and Engels: "They are German, hairy, and have no respect for property." (from _The Economist_, by way of _National Review_) From listera at rcn.com Thu Mar 20 21:59:00 2003 From: listera at rcn.com (Listera) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:20 2007 Subject: SVG in 3? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: "Michael Ashton" wrote: > I want SVG export. Where do you use it? Ziya From data at ieee.org Thu Mar 20 22:15:00 2003 From: data at ieee.org (Michael Ashton) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:20 2007 Subject: SVG in 3? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <6DE9F033-5B64-11D7-837E-0003937D35F4@ieee.org> On Thursday, March 20, 2003, at 10:58 PM, Listera wrote: > "Michael Ashton" wrote: > >> I want SVG export. > > Where do you use it? First use is web pages. SVG looks much nicer and often takes less space than bitmaps for many of the kinds of drawings I do - well, if it doesn't always take less space, it gives more bang for the byte, if you'll pardon the expression. This is useful to me right now. Second use is more for the future (pie-in-the-sky?). I dream of a document production system where I can take source files in text-based formats, process them through processing software, and wind up with beautiful documents or web pages that look just as I want them to. With the right combination of modern buzzwords and TLAs - XSL, SVG, MathML (I do engineering-type documents) - it might just work. Now, the great thing about SVG, as opposed to OmniGraffle files, is that SVG is a common, open format, and it's already widely supported. It's XML, so reasonably easy to read and write with programs; everybody's agreed on what it means and how it works; and therefore it has a good chance of outliving OmniGraffle's file format. So I want to make drawings, put them in an archivable, cross-platform format, and release them to the cruel world. SVG seems like a reasonable way to do this. LaTeX is great, and offers much of this sort of thing right now, but it's too hard to make its output look like I want it to. None of the LaTeX tools really play nice with modern stuff like PostScript and PDF. I like PDF; LaTeX isn't even aware of it. ---- Michael Ashton Peruvian intellectual Hernando de Soto on why his two dogs are named Marx and Engels: "They are German, hairy, and have no respect for property." (from _The Economist_, by way of _National Review_) From listera at rcn.com Thu Mar 20 22:25:01 2003 From: listera at rcn.com (Listera) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:20 2007 Subject: SVG in 3? In-Reply-To: <6DE9F033-5B64-11D7-837E-0003937D35F4@ieee.org> Message-ID: "Michael Ashton" wrote: > SVG is [...] already widely supported. That's highly debatable. Just to muddy the waters, how's about (interactive) Flash output from OG3? Ziya Nullius in Verba From data at ieee.org Thu Mar 20 23:22:03 2003 From: data at ieee.org (Michael Ashton) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:20 2007 Subject: SVG in 3? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thursday, March 20, 2003, at 11:24 PM, Listera wrote: > "Michael Ashton" wrote: > >> SVG is [...] already widely supported. > > That's highly debatable. True, so here's my supported stuff list - not complete, just what I know about offhand: * Adobe Illustrator - export / import * Canvas - export / import * FOP - uses Batik to render to bitmaps, I think * Adobe SVG Viewer plugin * Mozilla native support in active development * (IE: don't know, don't care ;) ) * ReportLab Graphics: can generate SVG, also there's code to import * Numerous small programs to do various SVG things Not bad for a brand-new standard. So maybe "widely" isn't the right word for all people everywhere, but it's the right word for me. > Just to muddy the waters, how's about (interactive) Flash output from > OG3? No good for printing. I don't care about animation. I can see this being potentially useful for other people though. For me, SVG isn't a Flash competitor so much as the XML version of PostScript with lessons learned built in to it. I suppose many people might look at it as the W3C's answer to Flash, but I don't think they really get the point of SVG. ---- Michael Ashton Peruvian intellectual Hernando de Soto on why his two dogs are named Marx and Engels: "They are German, hairy, and have no respect for property." (from _The Economist_, by way of _National Review_) From listera at rcn.com Fri Mar 21 00:08:01 2003 From: listera at rcn.com (Listera) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:20 2007 Subject: SVG in 3? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: "Michael Ashton" wrote: >> Just to muddy the waters, how's about (interactive) Flash output from >> OG3? > > No good for printing. Macromedia - Flash Player: Web Printing Ziya Nullius in Verba From tim at maccs.mq.edu.au Fri Mar 21 01:33:00 2003 From: tim at maccs.mq.edu.au (Timothy Bates) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:20 2007 Subject: Family trees Message-ID: Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/jpeg Size: 5780 bytes Desc: not available Url : /mailman/archive/omnigraffle-users/attachments/20030321/8d31fed7/attachment.jpe From pjackson at ee.byu.edu Fri Mar 21 06:51:00 2003 From: pjackson at ee.byu.edu (Preston Jackson) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:20 2007 Subject: Family trees In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5CDD97CE-5BAC-11D7-BCC6-000A279167C4@ee.byu.edu> Hi Tim, I think that you can have magnets on lines. Every time I add a point to a line a little blue circle appears which is the symbol for a magnet, right? The points can be added anywhere in the line, meaning that they don't have to be corners. Another solution to your problem could be the use of very small shapes at line intersections. I've successfully replicated your figure using a very tiny circle at the intersection of every line. The auto-spacing feature you mention would be nice for multiple inheritance org charts. Preston pjackson@ee.byu.edu On Friday, March 21, 2003, at 02:32 AM, Timothy Bates wrote: > Hi there, > The omni press releases always mention "make your family tree" but > this is actually really hard in graffle (it seems to me). > > Is there an easy way to layout diagrams like this one? > > > > The tricky bits (currently) are attaching lines to other lines (no > magnets on lines). Having magnets autodistribute themselves > equidistant on lines. And having magnets create themselves on a line > (for families with varying numbers of children). > > This would be solved if lines could have magnets, and if magnets could > have a default distance (like autotabs in a word processor, which is > how line magnets would function). > > tim > > (PS: the grayed outness above indicates inheritance of a disorder, > which is my application (genetics of dyslexia). > > Dr Timothy Bates ? > Macquarie Centre for Cognitive Science (MACCS) > Macquarie University > Ph 61 (2) 9850 8623 > Fx 61 (2) 9850 6059 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/enriched Size: 1696 bytes Desc: not available Url : /mailman/archive/omnigraffle-users/attachments/20030321/ee5451c4/attachment.bin From welter at i3.informatik.rwth-aachen.de Fri Mar 21 08:20:01 2003 From: welter at i3.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (Ralf Welter) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:20 2007 Subject: SVG in 3? In-Reply-To: <6DE9F033-5B64-11D7-837E-0003937D35F4@ieee.org> Message-ID: Hi! Use pdflatex. Its used by default with TeXShop and can use pdf for imageas and as output. In exchange some pstricks break, but there is a package pdftricks that tries to handle that (by basicly creating PS, run ps2pdf and importing the pdf-image automagically. Unfortunately, I had trouble to get it working, but i am not a LaTeX-Master either. Regards, ralf Am Freitag, 21.03.03 um 07:14 Uhr schrieb Michael Ashton: > None of the LaTeX tools really play nice with modern stuff like > PostScript and PDF. I like PDF; LaTeX isn't even aware of it. From entropy at io.com Fri Mar 21 13:34:02 2003 From: entropy at io.com (Kiran Wagle) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:20 2007 Subject: Default text alignment Message-ID: I can't figure out how to set the default alignment for text fields to flush left instead of centered. This is extremely annoying. :-/ Can anyone tell me how to do this? ~ Kiran -- 301-254-1449 (cellphone) From greg at omnigroup.com Fri Mar 21 13:47:01 2003 From: greg at omnigroup.com (Greg Titus) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:20 2007 Subject: Default text alignment In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <817D6FD4-5BE6-11D7-AFA3-0003938E4E32@omnigroup.com> On Friday, March 21, 2003, at 01:04 PM, Kiran Wagle wrote: > I can't figure out how to set the default alignment for text fields to > flush left instead of centered. This is extremely annoying. :-/ Can > anyone tell me how to do this? Hi Kiran, You can change the default settings of each tool. So to change the alignment on the shape tool, for instance, click on the shape tool in the toolbar so that it is selected, then go to the "Shape" info pane (its key equivalent is command-3), then change the text alignment buttons as desired. From now on, when you create new shapes using that tool, it will use those settings. Hope this helps, - Greg From support at omnigroup.com Fri Mar 21 14:41:00 2003 From: support at omnigroup.com (David C. Kasprzyk) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:20 2007 Subject: descent or genealogy diagram In-Reply-To: <1047408380.3e6e2efcdf2b3@www.maccs.mq.edu.au> Message-ID: <1097B21D-5BEE-11D7-A97C-0003935792D0@omnigroup.com> Dear Tim: In OmniGraffle 3.0 we have changed the way that you connect to lines in a way that I think will be helpful to you. Instead of creating a new point where you connect, you will simply be connected to the line, and as you shrink/enlarge or move the line the connected line will remain connected at the same percentile distance along the line. As for adding magnets to the lines, I think this would be a decent extension of these new changes and will file a request on this into our database along with your request for auto-distributing magnets on shapes. If you have any additional comments or questions please feel free to let me know and I will be happy to assist you. Sincerely, David Kasprzyk OmniGraffle Project Coordinator support@omnigroup.com On Tuesday, Mar 11, 2003, at 10:46 US/Pacific, Tim Bates wrote: > anybody drawing the kind of trees used in genetics research where you > have > circles and square for female and male subjects, then marriage is a > horizontal > line joining two people, and children come from a vertical descending > line > bisecting the parental join-line, followed by a horizontal line to > which > children (squares and circles) are joined by further vertical lines? > > I can manually get this design, but it is very cumbersome. What would > be nice > would be to have: > > 1. Magnets on lines (can't do this?) > 2. Auto distributing magnets (so when a new magnet is added, the > others move to > evenly distribute themselves along the line > > Any way to emulate this, and or any hope for this in a future version? > > Genealogy is a large market in diagramming, and a very large consumer > market. > > tim > > This Message is intended for the addressee named and may contain > confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, > please > delete it and notify the sender. Views expressed in this message are > those > of the individual sender and are not necessarily the views > of The Macquarie Centre for Cognitive Science. > _______________________________________________ > OmniGraffle-Users mailing list > OmniGraffle-Users@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnigraffle-users > From tim at maccs.mq.edu.au Fri Mar 21 17:17:01 2003 From: tim at maccs.mq.edu.au (Timothy Bates) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:20 2007 Subject: descent or genealogy diagram In-Reply-To: <1097B21D-5BEE-11D7-A97C-0003935792D0@omnigroup.com> Message-ID: > In OmniGraffle 3.0 we have changed the way that you connect to lines in > a way that I think will be helpful to you. Instead of creating a new > point where you connect, you will simply be connected to the line, and > as you shrink/enlarge or move the line the connected line will remain > connected at the same percentile distance along the line. That will help a bit. > As for adding magnets to the lines, I think this would be a decent > extension of these new changes and will file a request on this into our > database along with your request for auto-distributing magnets on > shapes. Thanks. I am looking at creating an apple script to automate this in the mean time. From tim at maccs.mq.edu.au Fri Mar 21 17:25:06 2003 From: tim at maccs.mq.edu.au (Timothy Bates) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:20 2007 Subject: Family trees In-Reply-To: <5CDD97CE-5BAC-11D7-BCC6-000A279167C4@ee.byu.edu> Message-ID: > I think that you can have magnets on lines. Every time I add a point to > a line a little blue circle appears which is the symbol for a magnet, > right? The points can be added anywhere in the line, meaning that they > don't have to be corners. They are break points rather than magnets. So a magnet is a hot spot on an object which attracts joined objects to its location. The points you get on a line when you join to it are fractures in the line, and the line now behaves like two line segments, with either sharp or bezier (additional off-axis control points) bending. > Another solution to your problem could be the use of very small shapes > at line intersections. I've successfully replicated your figure using a > very tiny circle at the intersection of every line. Thanks for your effort. The problem is the effort it takes to get this working - ideally one could just drop a new person on a special "descendent line" line type, and it would expand to accommodate the new child and connect itself intelligently. > The auto-spacing feature you mention would be nice for multiple > inheritance org charts. Absolutely: it is of wide use where ever an organization chart is being drawn. Thanks again for your thought on this issue, Tim > > > On Friday, March 21, 2003, at 02:32 AM, Timothy Bates wrote: > >> Hi there, >> The omni press releases always mention "make your family tree" but >> this is actually really hard in graffle (it seems to me). >> >> Is there an easy way to layout diagrams like this one? >> >> > >> >> The tricky bits (currently) are attaching lines to other lines (no >> magnets on lines). Having magnets autodistribute themselves >> equidistant on lines. And having magnets create themselves on a line >> (for families with varying numbers of children). >> >> This would be solved if lines could have magnets, and if magnets could >> have a default distance (like autotabs in a word processor, which is >> how line magnets would function). >> >> tim >> >> (PS: the grayed outness above indicates inheritance of a disorder, >> which is my application (genetics of dyslexia). >> >> Dr Timothy Bates ? >> Macquarie Centre for Cognitive Science (MACCS) >> Macquarie University >> Ph 61 (2) 9850 8623 >> Fx 61 (2) 9850 6059 > From support at omnigroup.com Sat Mar 22 15:22:01 2003 From: support at omnigroup.com (David C. Kasprzyk) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:20 2007 Subject: feature request (maybe not for OG3) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Dear Robin: This is definitely something that we hope to be adding in a future release of OmniGraffle. Since we have already feature frozen 3.0. This will probably be on the list for a 3.1 or 4.0 release. If you have any additional comments or questions please feel free to let me know and I will be happy to assist you. Sincerely, David Kasprzyk OmniGraffle Project Coordinator support@omnigroup.com On Wednesday, Mar 19, 2003, at 18:43 US/Pacific, Erithacus rubecula wrote: > Hi, > A while back (i mysteriously managed to dump a months worth of emails) > on the OO discussion list, we were asked by Brian C. what were some of > the features that we'd like to have implemented into OO vers. 3. My > own request (made intermittently every few months), is the ability to > see true inter compatability between OmniOutliner and OmniGraffle. > That is the ability to be able to generate an OG document from an OO > document and then, if you made changes to the OG document, that this > would be reflected in the OO document. This of course should work both > ways equally well (OG to OO and back again). Or even (to put the dual > package of OO and OG on an equal footing with Inspiration) the ability > to go from ideas in OG and then to automatically create and outline in > OO (instead of having to start with OO and then go to OG). I was > surprised on the OO list (given the number of folks that like > Inspiration) that this was not a more popular request. > > However, the reply back from Brian C. was that this was not something > that OO could handle (it went a bit too technical for me) and that > instead this was something that would have to be implemented in OG. > Maybe David can comment on this? I'd certainly like to have this as my > biggest feature request. > > Given that sneak previews of OG3 are now about - I guess I missed the > boat on this round. But if there are other OG/OO users who might like > this - if this is a feature that you also wanted to be included I > guess an email request (cut paste and 'ditto') might raise the > profile, as the Omni folks across the various applications have stated > many times that it's those that cry loudest with their feature > requests that tend to get attended to first. If I'm truly one of the > few that wanted this inter-operability, then I guess it's another in > the list of increasingly many things that I'm learning every day :-) > > Best > > Robin > > _______________________________________________ > OmniGraffle-Users mailing list > OmniGraffle-Users@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnigraffle-users > From ian at canicula.com Sat Mar 22 15:40:01 2003 From: ian at canicula.com (Ian Robinson) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:20 2007 Subject: feature request (maybe not for OG3) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 22/3/03 11:21 pm, "David C. Kasprzyk" wrote: > If you have any additional comments or questions please feel free to > let me know and I will be happy to assist you. When can we get Version 3 :-) Ian -- Ian Robinson - Belfast - UK From support at omnigroup.com Sat Mar 22 17:08:01 2003 From: support at omnigroup.com (David C. Kasprzyk) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:20 2007 Subject: SVG in 3? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: All I'm going to say about this is that I really want us to support SVG now too... so that people won't always ask me for this ;-D. If you have any additional comments or questions please feel free to let me know and I will be happy to assist you. Sincerely, David Kasprzyk OmniGraffle Project Coordinator support@omnigroup.com On Thursday, Mar 20, 2003, at 21:48 US/Pacific, Michael Ashton wrote: > > Waaaayyy too late to be suggesting 3.0 features now, obviously, but I > figured I'd try to keep hope alive for the future anyway ... > > So I'm saying it now: I want SVG export. (Note that I didn't say > "import". That would be nice, but not vital.) > > I'm aware of Dinu Gherman's AppleScript, BTW, so maybe I should give > it more whirls than I have already ... > > Also, I've looked at the 2.x file format. It's nothing but a plist in > XML. Very, very reverse-engineerable, shouldn't be impossible to go > from that to SVG. > > But it sure would be nice to hear Omni themselves say "why yes, we too > would love to see SVG export one day, now stop bothering us so we can > get it ready for 3.2." :) > > Now I, too, am going to warm up the ol' credit card. Yes, I'm sold on > 3.0 Pro already. I'm completely hooked. Hope you Omni software pushers > are happy. ;) > > cheers > ---- > Michael Ashton > Peruvian intellectual Hernando de Soto on why his two dogs are named > Marx and Engels: "They are German, hairy, and have no respect for > property." (from _The Economist_, by way of _National Review_) > > _______________________________________________ > OmniGraffle-Users mailing list > OmniGraffle-Users@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnigraffle-users > From listera at rcn.com Sat Mar 22 17:14:09 2003 From: listera at rcn.com (Listera) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:20 2007 Subject: SVG in 3? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: "David C. Kasprzyk" wrote: > All I'm going to say about this is that I really want us to support SVG > now too... so that people won't always ask me for this ;-D. So what would it take to support Flash then? Ziya From support at omnigroup.com Sat Mar 22 17:51:01 2003 From: support at omnigroup.com (David C. Kasprzyk) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:20 2007 Subject: SVG in 3? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: $1000 might motivate me... hehe. Actually just some good details on exactly what you want would be nice as well. David On Saturday, Mar 22, 2003, at 17:12 US/Pacific, Listera wrote: > "David C. Kasprzyk" wrote: > >> All I'm going to say about this is that I really want us to support >> SVG >> now too... so that people won't always ask me for this ;-D. > > So what would it take to support Flash then? > > Ziya > > > _______________________________________________ > OmniGraffle-Users mailing list > OmniGraffle-Users@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnigraffle-users > From data at ieee.org Sat Mar 22 22:46:00 2003 From: data at ieee.org (Michael Ashton) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:20 2007 Subject: SVG in 3? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1807D934-5CFB-11D7-AC9C-0003937D35F4@ieee.org> On Friday, March 21, 2003, at 01:07 AM, Listera wrote: > "Michael Ashton" wrote: > >>> Just to muddy the waters, how's about (interactive) Flash output from >>> OG3? >> >> No good for printing. > > Macromedia - Flash Player: Web Printing > authoring.html> Very nice. I stand corrected. So why would I use Flash instead of SVG for printing? I don't see the advantage. ---- Michael Ashton Peruvian intellectual Hernando de Soto on why his two dogs are named Marx and Engels: "They are German, hairy, and have no respect for property." (from _The Economist_, by way of _National Review_) From listera at rcn.com Sat Mar 22 23:40:00 2003 From: listera at rcn.com (Listera) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:20 2007 Subject: SVG in 3? In-Reply-To: <1807D934-5CFB-11D7-AC9C-0003937D35F4@ieee.org> Message-ID: "Michael Ashton" wrote: > So why would I use Flash instead of SVG for printing? I don't see the > advantage. Flash, being essentially a vector format, can deliver scalable text and graphics, suitable for printing. Unlike SVG (or anything else for that matter) Flash has better than 90% client coverage online. For any kind of wide-scale, commercial use SVG is pretty much a phantom format, at the moment. If printing is your only focus, I don't know why you wouldn't want to use PDF to begin with. Ziya From data at ieee.org Sun Mar 23 16:36:01 2003 From: data at ieee.org (Michael Ashton) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:20 2007 Subject: SVG in 3? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <7A5FBE70-5D90-11D7-AC9C-0003937D35F4@ieee.org> On Sunday, March 23, 2003, at 12:39 AM, Listera wrote: > "Michael Ashton" wrote: > >> So why would I use Flash instead of SVG for printing? I don't see the >> advantage. > > Flash, being essentially a vector format, can deliver scalable text and > graphics, suitable for printing. And SVG _is_ a vector format. It does everything I need it to do, and it's text based (XML). Isn't Flash a binary-only format? If Flash is a binary-only format, that makes it messy to embed directly into text files. I can include snips of SVG into source text or XML right now. It's designed for this. And version control is much less convenient to do on binary source formats. > Unlike SVG (or anything else for that matter) Flash has better than > 90% client coverage online. ... through one piece of software: a free browser plug-in from Macromedia. SVG is in the same position, because of the free Adobe plug-in, but at least one browser is going to have native SVG support. > For any kind of wide-scale, commercial use SVG is pretty much a > phantom format, at the moment. There is an awful lot of interest in SVG right now, as far as I can see, and direct, existing support from some pretty major apps. There's a lot of momentum behind SVG. I don't think it's going away. I'd say it's passed out of the phantom stage. > If printing is your only focus, I don't know why you wouldn't want to > use PDF to begin with. Printing isn't my only focus, but I do most definitely want to use PDF - for output. PDF is a great format, widely supported, does a pretty darn good job. But it's binary. Binary's fine, but I want an XML format for graphics, and SVG seems like a good way to go. ---- Michael Ashton Peruvian intellectual Hernando de Soto on why his two dogs are named Marx and Engels: "They are German, hairy, and have no respect for property." (from _The Economist_, by way of _National Review_) From ashugg at mac.com Sun Mar 23 19:07:01 2003 From: ashugg at mac.com (Andrew Shugg) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:20 2007 Subject: SVG in 3? In-Reply-To: <6DE9F033-5B64-11D7-837E-0003937D35F4@ieee.org> Message-ID: <94880314-5DA5-11D7-BC61-000502918242@mac.com> On Friday, March 21, 2003, at 02:14 PM, Michael Ashton wrote: > LaTeX is great, and offers much of this sort of thing right now, but > it's too hard to make its output look like I want it to. None of the > LaTeX tools really play nice with modern stuff like PostScript and PDF. > I like PDF; LaTeX isn't even aware of it. How about DocBook? Admittedly, it's a high-level documentation description language, not a typesetting language like LaTeX. But it's XML, and I'm pretty sure that TeX/LaTeX can be generated from DocBook (as well as PostScript, PDF, HTML, RTF, plain text, flavoured milkshakes, etc etc etc). So if there were specific layout things that you couldn't get (for whatever reason) using DocBook and stylesheets, you could pass those bits through LaTeX ... but I'd imagine that you could do "pretty much everything" without LaTeX (wonderful as it is, and much as I love it). Andrew. -- Andrew Shugg ObMacHome: From listera at rcn.com Sun Mar 23 22:52:01 2003 From: listera at rcn.com (Listera) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:20 2007 Subject: Flash in OG3 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: "David C. Kasprzyk" wrote: > Actually just some good details on > exactly what you want would be nice as well. I do have some ideas on that front but I'm going to wait for OG3/Pro to see a few things that have been announced so far and muse about how they might be enhanced via Flash output. So stay tuned :-) Ziya From mark at imap-partners.net Sun Mar 23 23:51:01 2003 From: mark at imap-partners.net (mark) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:20 2007 Subject: SVG in 3? In-Reply-To: <94880314-5DA5-11D7-BC61-000502918242@mac.com> Message-ID: <5B8686C4-5DCD-11D7-A270-000393036AB6@imap-partners.net> On Monday, March 24, 2003, at 04:06 AM, Andrew Shugg wrote: > On Friday, March 21, 2003, at 02:14 PM, Michael Ashton wrote: >> LaTeX is great, and offers much of this sort of thing right now, but >> it's too hard to make its output look like I want it to. None of the >> LaTeX tools really play nice with modern stuff like PostScript and >> PDF. I like PDF; LaTeX isn't even aware of it. Erm, I think you need to take another look at LaTeX. The current "default" setup on MacOS X is entirely geared towards producing PDF output and acceptance of PDF files as embedded graphics. Its been like this for years. As for making the output look like you want it to, depending on what you want, you may want to take a look at ConTeXt. I like DocBook too, but its integration and use of PDF is in no way superior to that in LaTeX. If anything, it involves more work. mark. From support at omnigroup.com Mon Mar 24 15:39:01 2003 From: support at omnigroup.com (David C. Kasprzyk) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:20 2007 Subject: OmniGraffle 3.0 semi-public beta Message-ID: Hey everyone: Today we are opening up the OmniGraffle 3.0 beta program to all members of the OmniGraffle-users list. We would appreciate any help in tracking down bugs for our impending release of 3.0. Please note that we are already feature frozen, so we are not interested in feature requests at this time, but more in resolving bugs in the 3.0 applications. Any feature requests sent in will take secondary priority until the release of 3.0. We will be asking for testing of both OmniGraffle standard and professional, but at the present moment, only the professional release is ready for testing. The like to the DMG file is: PlanetMirror.com http://www.omnigroup.com/ftp/pub/software/MacOSX/.sneakypeek/releases/ OmniGraffle-Professional-3.0-beta-6.dmg ExtremeSims.com http://www.omnigroup.com/ftp2/pub/software/MacOSX/.sneakypeek/releases/ OmniGraffle-Professional-3.0-beta-6.dmg The password for the DMG file is: NstOGpb6 (Now starting the OmniGraffle public beta 6) When you start the application it will ask you for a license. Here is the test license you will need to enter: License Owner: Public Beta Professional Test License License Key: NOVF-HOZA-OXOF-TYHP-CNFK-HFV To report a bug, send an email to omnigraffle@omnigroup.com so we don't flood everyones emails. Please include only one bug per email (This is easier to deal with then one email with 10 bugs). The formatting guidelines for reporting bugs are as follows: Title: Note: Files: Please follow these guidelines as they will make it much easier to deal with bug reports. If you have any additional comments or questions please feel free to let me know and I will be happy to assist you. Sincerely, David Kasprzyk OmniGraffle Project Coordinator support@omnigroup.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/enriched Size: 1938 bytes Desc: not available Url : /mailman/archive/omnigraffle-users/attachments/20030324/af4e2cdb/attachment.bin From programmingosx at mac.com Mon Mar 24 15:48:00 2003 From: programmingosx at mac.com (David Holt) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:20 2007 Subject: OmniGraffle 3.0 semi-public beta In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Thank you!!! I am so looking forward to trying this out! David On Monday, March 24, 2003, at 03:38 PM, David C. Kasprzyk wrote: > Hey everyone: > > Today we are opening up the OmniGraffle 3.0 beta program to all > members of the OmniGraffle-users list. We would appreciate any help > in tracking down bugs for our impending release of 3.0. Please note > that we are already feature frozen, so we are not interested in > feature requests at this time, but more in resolving bugs in the 3.0 > applications. Any feature requests sent in will take secondary > priority until the release of 3.0. > > We will be asking for testing of both OmniGraffle standard and > professional, but at the present moment, only the professional release > is ready for testing. The like to the DMG file is: > > PlanetMirror.com > > http://www.omnigroup.com/ftp/pub/software/MacOSX/.sneakypeek/releases/ > OmniGraffle-Professional-3.0-beta-6.dmg > > ExtremeSims.com > > http://www.omnigroup.com/ftp2/pub/software/MacOSX/.sneakypeek/ > releases/OmniGraffle-Professional-3.0-beta-6.dmg > > The password for the DMG file is: > > NstOGpb6 (Now starting the OmniGraffle public beta 6) > > When you start the application it will ask you for a license. Here is > the test license you will need to enter: > > License Owner: Public Beta Professional Test License > License Key: NOVF-HOZA-OXOF-TYHP-CNFK-HFV > > To report a bug, send an email to omnigraffle@omnigroup.com so we > don't flood everyones emails. 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Name: not available Type: text/enriched Size: 2312 bytes Desc: not available Url : /mailman/archive/omnigraffle-users/attachments/20030324/547ddd4d/attachment.bin From josborn at jaykayoh.com Mon Mar 24 16:27:02 2003 From: josborn at jaykayoh.com (Jeremy Osborn) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:20 2007 Subject: OmniGraffle 3.0 semi-public beta In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <2F9297F1-5E58-11D7-991E-000393AC7DAE@jaykayoh.com> I have only played with it for about a half an hour, but I must say it look pretty incredible. I can't wait to spend more time with it. Great job. -jay From crasmen at free.fr Mon Mar 24 18:34:00 2003 From: crasmen at free.fr (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Corentin_Cras-M=E9neur?=) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:20 2007 Subject: OmniGraffle 3.0 semi-public beta In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1fsce6e.u3rawni6xge4M%crasmen@free.fr> > Hey everyone: > > Today we are opening up the OmniGraffle 3.0 beta program to all members > of the OmniGraffle-users list. Thanks a lot David. I really was looking forwar to it :-))) BTW, the new icon looks great. Different than the usual OmniGroup applications icons but I really like it :-)) Actually, from what I can tell, the entire applciation really looks great :-))))) Corentin From listera at rcn.com Mon Mar 24 18:49:00 2003 From: listera at rcn.com (Listera) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:20 2007 Subject: OmniGraffle 3.0 semi-public beta In-Reply-To: <1fsce6e.u3rawni6xge4M%crasmen@free.fr> Message-ID: "Corentin Cras-M?neur" wrote: > the entire applciation really looks great I have a small question about the GUI. When the tool palettes are minimized into a thin, horizontal strip/titlebar, they have a vertical grayish gradation with the tool title in it. Is that a standard Cocoa GUI widget? Ziya From entropy at io.com Mon Mar 24 19:26:01 2003 From: entropy at io.com (Kiran Wagle) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:21 2007 Subject: OmniGraffle 3.0 semi-public beta In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I have been having problems with text in shapes not being correctly aligned. Most font