From leif at pattern.com Tue Jan 1 13:17:01 2002 From: leif at pattern.com (Leif Smith) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:07 2007 Subject: Links don't show on grouped items In-Reply-To: Message-ID: David Kasprzyk asks (see below): "... grouping turns them into a single object, so which link would active when you clicked on it?" The link that would be active would be the link whose arrow had been clicked. When I link something to an object I consider the link to become an attribute of the object, like a color. When I group 2 or more objects of different color I expect that the group will retain the color of each separate object unchanged. So when I combine objects that have links I expect that the link for each object will be retained just as if it were a color or shape. That leave open the question of "ok - then what about a link for the group?" Suppose I group a bunch of objects that each have something linked to them. If the links for each are preserved we now have a group with a bunch of blue arrows, one for each grouped object. Now we go to a Finder window and drag something to the group. What happens? Maybe a new link is allowed, but it is indicated by a green arrow, or an arrow of different shape, telling the user that this is a link for the entire group (only one allowed per group). All kinds of subtle problems arise because it is possible to group groups. Example of desired usage: Suppose a column of objects, each containing the name of an object in a software development project. Each graffle-object has been linked to a text description (or header file) for each software-object. I want to group the graffle-objects so I can treat them as a unit without having to select them each time. When I do that I don't want all the links to disappear. Leif On Monday, December 31, 2001, at 02:18 PM, David Kasprzyk wrote: > Dear Mr. Smith: > > Well I tested out what you sent to me, and everything happened just as > you described. However when I thought about it, I realized why were > are doing this. Say you linked both of the boxes to different objects > and then grouped it. Well grouping turns them into a single object, so > which link would active when you clicked on it? > > I think therefore that this shouldn't be changed from the way it is > currently. What do you think about this? > Let me know and we will go from there. > > Sincerely, > > David Kasprzyk > support@omnigroup.com > > Join the OmniGraffle Users List > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnigraffle-users > > On Sunday, December 30, 2001, at 12:37 PM, Leif Smith wrote: > >> Links don't show on grouped items: >> >> Create a new OmniGraffle document. >> Draw a square. >> Turn on "Format>Show Links" menu choice. >> Drop a folder from a finder window on the square. >> Blue link arrow appears. >> Draw a second square. >> Group the two squares using "Format>Group" menu choice. >> Blue arrow on first square disappears. >> Ungroup the two squares. >> Blue arrow appears again. >> >> Leif Smith, Pattern Research, Denver, Colorado >> leif@pattern.com, 303-778-0880, http://www.pattern.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> OmniGraffle-Users mailing list >> OmniGraffle-Users@omnigroup.com >> http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnigraffle-users >> > > From leif at pattern.com Tue Jan 1 13:35:00 2002 From: leif at pattern.com (Leif Smith) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:08 2007 Subject: Links (enhancement) - diamond vs arrow Message-ID: <5F9D3AA6-FEFF-11D5-B59E-003065C497B2@pattern.com> What if the indicator for a link were to be a small blue diamond (as in NeXT's text editor) that could be relocated to any position around the edge of the object? For me, the blue arrow seems too big and distracting. Something smaller and more elegant might be better. Also, the blue arrow in OmniWeb indicates a link to something that will be fetched by OmniWeb. Maybe an arrow (smaller - or sizeable as a preference) for html links and a diamond for others? From manny at omnigroup.com Thu Jan 3 14:49:06 2002 From: manny at omnigroup.com (manny@omnigroup.com) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:08 2007 Subject: Apple invite: Connect: Pro2Pro Message-ID: <0681DA7E-009C-11D6-A037-00050237CCE1@omnigroup.com> If you are interested in web publishing and are attending Macworld, SF, Apple has asked us to extend this invitation for Connect: Pro2Pro to you. We will be showing folks how they can use OmniWeb and OmniGraffle as valuable tools for web publishing on Mac OS X. Our very own tech support stud Brian Covey will be attending. Brian will be accepting face-to-face/in person bug reports and feature requests. Go Brian! :) Thanks! Manny From manny at omnigroup.com Thu Jan 3 15:01:04 2002 From: manny at omnigroup.com (manny@omnigroup.com) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:08 2007 Subject: Apple invite: Connect: Pro2Pro In-Reply-To: <0681DA7E-009C-11D6-A037-00050237CCE1@omnigroup.com> Message-ID: Here's the invite. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: pro2pro.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 22929 bytes Desc: not available Url : /mailman/archive/omnigraffle-users/attachments/20020103/5ecf3132/pro2pro.jpg -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /mailman/archive/omnigraffle-users/attachments/20020103/5ecf3132/pro2pro.html -------------- next part -------------- > If you are interested in web publishing and are attending Macworld, SF, > Apple has asked us to extend this invitation for Connect: Pro2Pro to > you. We will be showing folks how they can use OmniWeb and OmniGraffle > as valuable tools for web publishing on Mac OS X. > > Our very own tech support stud Brian Covey will be attending. Brian > will be accepting face-to-face/in person bug reports and feature > requests. Go Brian! :) > > Thanks! > > Manny > > > > _______________________________________________ > OmniGraffle-Users mailing list > OmniGraffle-Users@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnigraffle-users > The Omni Group 206-523-4152 ext. 290 manny@omnigroup.com From kevin at omnigroup.com Fri Jan 4 16:20:25 2002 From: kevin at omnigroup.com (Kevin Steele) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:08 2007 Subject: Attraction In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In 2.0 beta (v3), you can turn off attraction for shapes and lines using the Magnet Info pane. Most of the magnet info pane applies only to shapes, but the bottom checkbox "Allow Connections" applies to lines as well. You can use this checkbox to modify the Line Tool so that any lines you create will avoid connecting to other objects. Lines that don't allow connections have blue end points, instead of red and green end points. - Kevin On Wednesday, December 26, 2001, at 05:59 AM, Howard Kaufman wrote: > Heavy wish: > Please make attractions optional. I find now I am almost always > drawing my lines with the option key down so I can get my lines to end > where I want and not where the program attracts them to. It's > uncomfortable to have to keep your finger on the option key all the > time! > > Regards, > Howard Kaufman > Lectrosonics > (516) 785-6211 > > _______________________________________________ > OmniGraffle-Users mailing list > OmniGraffle-Users@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnigraffle-users > > From hkaufman at mindspring.com Fri Jan 4 16:36:01 2002 From: hkaufman at mindspring.com (Howard Kaufman) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:08 2007 Subject: Attraction In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1CF448F8-0174-11D6-956E-00306570F2FC@mindspring.com> Thanks for the tips. I'll give it all a try soon. Howard On Friday, January 4, 2002, at 07:19 PM, Kevin Steele wrote: > In 2.0 beta (v3), you can turn off attraction for shapes and lines using > the Magnet Info pane. Most of the magnet info pane applies only to > shapes, but the bottom checkbox "Allow Connections" applies to lines as > well. You can use this checkbox to modify the Line Tool so that any lines > you create will avoid connecting to other objects. Lines that don't allow > connections have blue end points, instead of red and green end points. > > - Kevin > > On Wednesday, December 26, 2001, at 05:59 AM, Howard Kaufman wrote: > >> Heavy wish: >> Please make attractions optional. I find now I am almost always drawing >> my lines with the option key down so I can get my lines to end where I >> want and not where the program attracts them to. It's uncomfortable to >> have to keep your finger on the option key all the time! >> >> Regards, >> Howard Kaufman >> Lectrosonics >> (516) 785-6211 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> OmniGraffle-Users mailing list >> OmniGraffle-Users@omnigroup.com >> http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnigraffle-users >> >> > From hkaufman at mindspring.com Sat Jan 5 14:53:00 2002 From: hkaufman at mindspring.com (Howard Kaufman) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:08 2007 Subject: Attraction In-Reply-To: <200201052004.MAA07454@lists> Message-ID: I turned off "allow connections" and sure enough it makes lines and shapes behave just as I would like them to! Thanks for the tip. Howard From hkaufman at mindspring.com Sun Jan 6 06:08:02 2002 From: hkaufman at mindspring.com (Howard Kaufman) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:08 2007 Subject: html output Message-ID: I'm not having any luck exporting a graffle document to html bit map format. Maybe it's my own lack of understanding, but all I get is a blank page. I've attached a sample. thanks! Howard Kaufman -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /mailman/archive/omnigraffle-users/attachments/20020106/38704e25/mToolsflowchart.html From greg at omnigroup.com Tue Jan 8 14:20:01 2002 From: greg at omnigroup.com (Greg Titus) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:08 2007 Subject: html output In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sunday, January 6, 2002, at 06:07 AM, Howard Kaufman wrote: > I'm not having any luck exporting a graffle document to html bit map > format. > Maybe it's my own lack of understanding, but all I get is a blank > page. I've attached a sample. Hi Howard, What you are exporting is an HTML image map. I.e. some HTML that tells a web browser 'click on this part of the image to go to link A', 'click on that part of the image to go to link B', and so on. It isn't exporting a full web page (although Kevin just finished improving this feature so that it will, so you won't have this confusion in the next release). So the HTML image map export format is only useful if you are assigning URLs to some of your shapes. The resulting file is nearly empty because you didn't have any shapes with links. What you want is to export as either JPEG, GIF, or PNG. Any of these formats can be used on the web just fine. JPEG does some lossy image compression and works best for documents with embedded photographs. GIF images can only have 256 colors and only on-or-off transparency but the format is very common. If you don't use shadows, photos, or lots of different linear/radial fills GIF is probably best. PNG has great transparency and color support and is probably the best format for all graffle diagrams that aren't just embedded photos, but some older browsers don't support this format. Hope this helps, --Greg From hkaufman at mindspring.com Tue Jan 8 14:38:01 2002 From: hkaufman at mindspring.com (Howard Kaufman) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:08 2007 Subject: html output Message-ID: <3D6CCBEE-0488-11D6-9647-00306570F2FC@mindspring.com> Greg: Thanks for the explanation. I did suspect that to be the case and if I had read the manual it would have been clear. So I look forward to the next update. Howard From crasmen at magic.fr Wed Jan 9 03:07:01 2002 From: crasmen at magic.fr (Corentin =?iso-8859-1?Q?Cras=2DM=E9neur?=) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:08 2007 Subject: Localization In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi, I noticed that only English is available for both OG and its brand new plug-in. Is there any plan for the localization of this great application ??? Corentin From twiebe at mac.com Wed Jan 9 08:10:59 2002 From: twiebe at mac.com (Tom Wiebe) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:08 2007 Subject: [ot] iPhoto Plugin In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <2F8C983A-051B-11D6-8210-0030658FC1FC@mac.com> That's a cool little plugin you guys released yesterday. Is there any documentation as to how to write iPhoto plugins, are you privy to inside information, or was it just lucky guess? Tom Wiebe The Image Foundation http://www.imagefoundation.com/ (604) 688-3124 From crasmen at magic.fr Wed Jan 9 08:37:03 2002 From: crasmen at magic.fr (Corentin =?iso-8859-1?Q?Cras=2DM=E9neur?=) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:08 2007 Subject: [ot] iPhoto Plugin In-Reply-To: <2F8C983A-051B-11D6-8210-0030658FC1FC@mac.com> References: <2F8C983A-051B-11D6-8210-0030658FC1FC@mac.com> Message-ID: At 8:08 -0800 9/01/02, Tom Wiebe wrote: >That's a cool little plugin you guys released yesterday. Is there >any documentation as to how to write iPhoto plugins, are you privy >to inside information, or was it just lucky guess? Documentations for both plug-ins and palettes would be great (I could not find anything about palettes either). Corentin From greg at omnigroup.com Wed Jan 9 10:03:01 2002 From: greg at omnigroup.com (Greg Titus) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:08 2007 Subject: [ot] iPhoto Plugin In-Reply-To: <2F8C983A-051B-11D6-8210-0030658FC1FC@mac.com> Message-ID: <0ADE1680-052B-11D6-BDF6-003065B22C50@omnigroup.com> On Wednesday, January 9, 2002, at 08:08 AM, Tom Wiebe wrote: > That's a cool little plugin you guys released yesterday. Is there any > documentation as to how to write iPhoto plugins, are you privy to > inside information, or was it just lucky guess? There isn't any documentation on how to write them -- beyond some that I'm in the middle of writing. :-) No inside information, it's just reverse-engineered from examining the existing plugins and iPhoto app. --Greg From christophe.dousson at rd.francetelecom.com Thu Jan 10 13:02:58 2002 From: christophe.dousson at rd.francetelecom.com (Christophe Dousson) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:08 2007 Subject: .dot file Message-ID: <41A9445D-05A6-11D6-866C-003065E5679C@rd.francetelecom.com> Hi, I tried to use OmniGraffle to open dot files but it seems that all the syntax is not parsable by Omnigraffle. At this moment, I just want to parse a graph with labels but OmniGraffle ignores some instructions. For instance : digraph G { a -> b -> c; a -> d [label="invisble"]; a -> e [color=blue,style=dotted]; c -> d [weight=8]; c [shape=plaintext,color=red,label="ok"]; } Everything works fine except the "weight" attribute (but it's not crucial) and the "label" attribute for edges (and that's a bad point). Labels for nodes are OK. Does anybody know how can I modify the dot files in order to open them with omnigraffle ? (another attribute name ??) Thanks -- Christophe Dousson France T?l?com R&D, DTL/DLI 2 avenue Pierre Marzin, 22307 Lannion cedex, France tel: (+33) 2 96 05 21 99, fax: (+33) 2 96 05 19 56 From kevin at omnigroup.com Thu Jan 10 14:19:05 2002 From: kevin at omnigroup.com (Kevin Steele) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:08 2007 Subject: .dot file In-Reply-To: <41A9445D-05A6-11D6-866C-003065E5679C@rd.francetelecom.com> Message-ID: <423AEBA8-0617-11D6-A39D-00306571CE92@omnigroup.com> Hello Christophe, The "label" attribute was being parsed correctly, but wasn't being applied to the line. I've just made a change to the code and for me the label is showing up now. The next beta release will have the update. The "weight" attribute is just being ignored. Our automatic graph layout doesn't make use of line weighting yet. Our DOT support is only partial, but if you find more attributes that you need, let us know and we may be able to easily add them. Best Regards, Kevin On Thursday, January 10, 2002, at 12:44 AM, Christophe Dousson wrote: > Hi, > > I tried to use OmniGraffle to open dot files but it seems that all the > syntax is not parsable by Omnigraffle. > > At this moment, I just want to parse a graph with labels but > OmniGraffle ignores some instructions. > > For instance : > > digraph G { > a -> b -> c; > a -> d [label="invisble"]; > a -> e [color=blue,style=dotted]; > c -> d [weight=8]; > c [shape=plaintext,color=red,label="ok"]; > } > > Everything works fine except the "weight" attribute (but it's not > crucial) and the "label" attribute for edges (and that's a bad point). > Labels for nodes are OK. > > Does anybody know how can I modify the dot files in order to open them > with omnigraffle ? > (another attribute name ??) > > Thanks > > -- > Christophe Dousson > France T?l?com R&D, DTL/DLI > 2 avenue Pierre Marzin, 22307 Lannion cedex, France > tel: (+33) 2 96 05 21 99, fax: (+33) 2 96 05 19 56 > _______________________________________________ > OmniGraffle-Users mailing list > OmniGraffle-Users@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnigraffle-users > > From kevin at omnigroup.com Sun Jan 13 18:35:00 2002 From: kevin at omnigroup.com (Kevin Steele) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:08 2007 Subject: Feature idea In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <345BC9EE-0897-11D6-A537-00306571CE92@omnigroup.com> Hello again, For the next beta (to be release relatively soon), we've added a preferences pane for modifying the graphic styles and layout type used when importing OmniOutliner documents. It lets you set up a number of outline prototypes, each of which has a layout type and list of prototype graphics, one for each level of indentation. Best Regards, Kevin Steele On Sunday, December 16, 2001, at 09:50 PM, Scott Brown wrote: > > I recently saved an OmniOutliner document and tried importing it into > OmniGraffle just to see what the resulting graph looked like. It > turned out > (unsurprisingly) looking rather sprawling and unreadable, but only > because I > didn't have any options for how the imported outline looked as a graph. > That got me thinking about how it would be useful if I had options on > how > the imported outline turned into a graph, whether it be horizontally > oriented or vertically, read left to right or right to left, etc. Of > course, the number of people who would buy licenses for both programs > and > use them in tandem is likely rather low, so implementing a complicated > import options system doesn't make sense as a time expenditure. ... From crasmen at magic.fr Mon Jan 14 01:14:02 2002 From: crasmen at magic.fr (Corentin =?iso-8859-1?Q?Cras=2DM=E9neur?=) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:08 2007 Subject: Feature idea In-Reply-To: <345BC9EE-0897-11D6-A537-00306571CE92@omnigroup.com> References: <345BC9EE-0897-11D6-A537-00306571CE92@omnigroup.com> Message-ID: At 18:34 -0800 13/01/02, Kevin Steele wrote: >Hello again, > >For the next beta (to be release relatively soon), we've added a >preferences pane for modifying the graphic styles and layout type >used when importing OmniOutliner documents. It lets you set up a >number of outline prototypes, each of which has a layout type and >list of prototype graphics, one for each level of indentation. > >Best Regards, >Kevin Steele Is there any plan for localizations of OG ?? Corentin From kevin at omnigroup.com Mon Jan 14 10:49:30 2002 From: kevin at omnigroup.com (Kevin Steele) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:08 2007 Subject: Feature idea In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <0A165CB1-091F-11D6-A537-00306571CE92@omnigroup.com> On Monday, January 14, 2002, at 01:13 AM, Corentin Cras-M?neur wrote: > At 18:34 -0800 13/01/02, Kevin Steele wrote: >> Hello again, >> >> For the next beta (to be release relatively soon), we've added a >> preferences pane for modifying the graphic styles and layout type used >> when importing OmniOutliner documents. It lets you set up a number of >> outline prototypes, each of which has a layout type and list of >> prototype graphics, one for each level of indentation. >> >> Best Regards, >> Kevin Steele > > Is there any plan for localizations of OG ?? > > Corentin Yes, we're meeting about it today. We'll probably start work on localization as soon as 2.0 features are mostly done. - Kevin From robbbeal at mac.com Mon Jan 14 16:07:04 2002 From: robbbeal at mac.com (Robb Beal) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:08 2007 Subject: Importing Shapes Message-ID: Folks. Is there a vector format where I can import a shape and the line endpoints will follow the shape outline, ie, like the built-in shapes? Robb From crasmen at magic.fr Tue Jan 15 09:28:52 2002 From: crasmen at magic.fr (Corentin =?iso-8859-1?Q?Cras=2DM=E9neur?=) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:08 2007 Subject: Feature idea In-Reply-To: <0A165CB1-091F-11D6-A537-00306571CE92@omnigroup.com> References: <0A165CB1-091F-11D6-A537-00306571CE92@omnigroup.com> Message-ID: At 10:46 -0800 14/01/02, Kevin Steele wrote: >>> >> >> Is there any plan for localizations of OG ?? >> >> Corentin > > >Yes, we're meeting about it today. We'll probably start work on >localization as soon as 2.0 features are mostly done. > >- Kevin Nice ! :-) Let me know if you need help, I'll do my best (but I'm rather busy these days). Corentin From virtual3 at mac.com Wed Jan 16 01:15:01 2002 From: virtual3 at mac.com (Simon Johnson) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:08 2007 Subject: Lessons to learn - new mapping tool Message-ID: I love Omni Graffle, however, I just downloaded an application that allows a more free way to construct rapid prototypes. The tool is called Denim and is quite interesting as it allows you to draw with a art pad and it will automatically translate your diagrams into linkable objects. It is just a University project, but I think that the free drawing and ability to turn the boxes into pages are great features that could be incorporated into Graffle some day. http://guir.berkeley.edu/projects/denim/research/ . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Simon Johnson 64 Longfield Street, Southfields, London SW18 5RE Tlf: 0208 874 2097 Mbl: 07986 221317 mailto:virtual3@mac.com From bcovey at omnigroup.com Wed Jan 16 12:36:43 2002 From: bcovey at omnigroup.com (Brian Covey) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:08 2007 Subject: Casting Call Message-ID: <40FEF227-0AC0-11D6-8ED5-00050209C5D2@omnigroup.com> We're looking to bring on another tech support person here fairly quickly, and our mailing lists seem like the best place to start looking, really. Everybody here has more than demonstrated that they're knowledgeable, willing to help others, and above all articulate, which are some very important traits when it comes to doing the support thing, really. =) That said, we want to move really, really quickly on this; we've made a more aggressive commitment to support registered users of our products, and I want to be sure that we can fulfill that commitment. This is what we're looking for: (And this is above and beyond what's covered under the pages at - definitely read those pages before you send us anything) *Near-immediate availability. Ideally, you'd be able to start tomorrow. If you can start in two weeks, that's acceptable. Much beyond that is going to reduce your chances considerably. *The above condition obviously means that we'll mostly be drawing from candidates we get in the Seattle Metro area. We can't offer you relocation assistance, and we aren't hiring people who want to work as independent contractors, or at remote sites. *Experience with Mac OS X and Omni Group products. Anyone on this mailing list should have no trouble with this one. =) * Prior experience in Tech Support is a plus, but not necessarily required, if you can demonstrate that you've got what it takes to explain the unexplainable, decipher the undecipherable, and to soothe the brow of the angriest customer on his worst day. * Willingness to commit to working Tech Support indefinitely. While we would never rule out the possibility of advancement, what we have a need for now are dedicated and hard-working support folk that are in this for the long haul. We don't want to hire someone who really wants to be an engineer and who's going to be unhappy working tech support. So, if you're interested, send your resume along with a cover letter laying out your availability and salary requirements to resumes@omnigroup.com before this Friday. Please don't respond to this address with your submissions. We'll look at the resume mailbox this weekend and start contacting folks very soon. Sincerely, Brian Covey Support Manager Omni Group From kevin at omnigroup.com Thu Jan 17 13:46:44 2002 From: kevin at omnigroup.com (Kevin Steele) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:08 2007 Subject: Importing Shapes In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Robb, All of the OmniGraffle shapes (except for rounded rectangles) and all of the line endings are defined in the file OmniGraffle.app/Contents/Resources/shape.graffleshapes It's a text readable file if you want to take a look at it. You can also view it with /Developer/Applications/PropertyListEditor.app. When OmniGraffle is launched, it also looks for shape files in ~/Library/Application Support/OmniGraffle/Shapes Any additional shapes and arrowheads will show up on the shape and line info panes. Here's the test file I've been using: (it defines a 4 sided polygon and a line ending with 2 bars) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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We're also working on a tool for making your own shapes and line endings. - Kevin On Monday, January 14, 2002, at 04:05 PM, Robb Beal wrote: > Folks. > > Is there a vector format where I can import a shape and the line > endpoints > will follow the shape outline, ie, like the built-in shapes? > > Robb > > _______________________________________________ > OmniGraffle-Users mailing list > OmniGraffle-Users@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnigraffle-users > > From hkaufman at mindspring.com Thu Jan 17 19:50:10 2002 From: hkaufman at mindspring.com (Howard Kaufman) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:08 2007 Subject: Your job posting In-Reply-To: <200201172115.NAA14008@lists.omnigroup.com> Message-ID: So nice of you to consider this list first in announcing your new job opportunity.! I would however, like to make a suggestion. This sounds like the perfect opportunity for you guys to move your operation to the New York City area and finally enjoy what civilization has to offer. I never understood why so many innovative companies decided to rough it in the wild in places like Seattle. Most creative people who move to New York find they are instantly much more productive and have a completely new and realistic outlook on life. So if you consider this idea attractive, I'd be happy to assist in your relocation and as a lucky byproduct of that move I would immediately be available for employment! Best of luck! Howard Kaufman New York P.S. I sure hope you know I'm kidding!!! I think you guys are great, so I couldn't resist. From crasmen at magic.fr Fri Jan 18 03:12:40 2002 From: crasmen at magic.fr (Corentin =?iso-8859-1?Q?Cras=2DM=E9neur?=) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:08 2007 Subject: Your job posting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 22:46 -0500 17/01/02, Howard Kaufman wrote: > This sounds like the perfect opportunity for you guys to move your >operation to the New York City area and finally enjoy what >civilization has to offer. Do you mean there is nothing civilized anywhere else on the surface of the Earth ??? ;-))) > I never understood why so many innovative companies decided to >rough it in the wild in places like Seattle. Most creative people >who move to New York find they are instantly much more productive >and have a completely new and realistic outlook on life. :-> Corentin From hkaufman at mindspring.com Fri Jan 18 04:44:00 2002 From: hkaufman at mindspring.com (Howard Kaufman) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:08 2007 Subject: small grid bug Message-ID: Just noticed a bug when you are working in picas. The grid value always shows zero, although you can use the slider or type in new values to change grid spacing. Howard Kaufman From hkaufman at mindspring.com Fri Jan 18 04:46:00 2002 From: hkaufman at mindspring.com (Howard Kaufman) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:08 2007 Subject: Ruler bug in points Message-ID: <4611E594-0C11-11D6-9A4A-00306570F2FC@mindspring.com> Another little bugger. When the ruler is set to points the vertical axis is not labeled correctly. Just zeros at every tic. Howard Kaufman From hkaufman at mindspring.com Fri Jan 18 09:18:28 2002 From: hkaufman at mindspring.com (Howard Kaufman) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:08 2007 Subject: bug/crash Message-ID: <3A267684-0C37-11D6-8133-00306570F2FC@mindspring.com> The new check box to display/hide the major grid is broken and results in this alert: Alert: gridinfo undoMangager - selector not recognized (not exact) Also, I tried to use Grab to take a screen shot of the Alert box and the whole machine crashed with the endlessly spinning beach ball requiring a hard reboot, my first in quite a while. Howard Kaufman From manny at omnigroup.com Fri Jan 18 10:48:15 2002 From: manny at omnigroup.com (manny@omnigroup.com) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:08 2007 Subject: The Omni Group Releases OmniGraffle 2.0 Beta Message-ID: The Omni Group Releases OmniGraffle 2.0 Beta Seattle, Washington -- January 18th, 2002 -- Today, The Omni Group released OmniGraffle 2.0 Beta. OmniGraffle is the powerful, yet fun and easy to use, diagramming and charting application built for Mac OS X. New features to version 2.0 Beta include AppleScript support, URL links to graphics, layer support, cool new tools, shape enhancements, line ending enhancements, export to HTML, grid enhancements, auto layout improvements, a magnet editor, OmniOutliner import preferences, and tons of bug fixes and miscellaneous enhancement. Phew. Download OmniGraffle 2.0 Beta at http://www.omnigroup.com/applications/omnigraffle/. On that page, you can also download a PDF of our new OmniGraffle manual that is actually fun to read. See below for a complete list of 2.0 features and improvements (our engineers have been very busy.) For those customers that have already purchased a license of any version of OmniGraffle 1.x, The Omni Group is offering you a free upgrade to version 2. Wil Shipley, Omni President states, "Originally we were working on a free update that we were calling 'OmniGraffle 1.2,' which contained some bug fixes and a couple of new features users requested. However, our engineers did way too good of a job on the upgrade, adding oodles of cool new stuff, and it quickly became clear what we were working on was really OmniGraffle 2.0. But we still felt we owed our users the free bug fixes that were in there, as well. Since we're all about rewarding our customers, we decided that, for this upgrade only, the 2.0 release will be free to all OmniGraffle 1 users. This will also apply to all customers who will receive OmniGraffle 1 as part of Apple's new Power Mac and PowerBook bundle (which they announced on January 7 at http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2002/jan/07macosx.html). Your old license key will still work with OmniGraffle 2.0, so you just need to download the new version from us and you're set to start playing with all the great stuff we added." If you haven't yet, sign up for the OmniGraffle-Users mailing list http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnigraffle-users. Share tips, short-cuts, diagrams, shapes, palettes, rants and raves with other OmniGraffle users! Purchasing Information: Licenses for OmniGraffle can be purchased from Omni's online store https://store.omnigroup.com/cgi- bin/WebObjects/OnlineStore.woa/wa/storefront and is good for any OmniGraffle version 1.x or any version 2.x. OmniGraffle requires Mac OS X 10.1 or better. Information about The Omni Group: The Omni Group, founded in 1993, develops Mac OS X applications including OmniWeb, OmniGraffle, and OmniOutliner; provides Mac OS X based consulting services such as porting games to Mac OS X; and employs 20 unique individuals who mostly agree that Fatal Attraction is the scariest movie ever made. Information on The Omni Group is available at http://www.omnigroup.com/. Release Notes: - Summary of all the changes since 1.1 - Applescript Support - URLs linked to graphics - Any graphic can have a URL associated with it. - There are 3 ways to add a URL to a graphic - Drag a non-image file from the workspace and drop it on the graphic - Drag a URL from OmniWeb and drop it on the graphic - Edit the URL on the Link Info pane - There are 3 ways to navigate using links - There is a new Browse tool. In browse mode, any graphic with a link will highlight when the cursor is over it. Clicking on the graphic will open the link. - Choose Format->Show Links. A link symbol will appear next to each graphic that has a link. Clicking on the link symbol will open the link. - On the Link Info Pane, there is a "Follow Link" button. This will also open the link. - When importing PBProject and Framework files, it set the links to the appropriate files so you can browse projects easily this way - clicking on the boxes will open the header. - Added a new export format: HTML Image Map. It creates a with tags for all graphics with links. With this addition Graffle actually works really well as an image map creator by sticking a locked image on a lower layer and then drawing boxes on it and setting links on the boxes. - Layers - OmniOutliner import prefrences - user can create any number of outline styles - each style has a general layout preference and a list of prototype graphics, one graphic for each topic level. - prototype graphics can be modified using the info panes - More Tools - Zoom Tool - Polygon tool - Link Browser tool - Rubber Stamp Tool - The rubber stamp tool is useful for repeatedly placing the same graphic. If there is a graphic on the pasteboard, then each click with the rubber stamp tool will place a new copy of that graphic (it will beep if there is no graphic on the pasteboard). - Option-clicking with the rubber stamp tool will copy whatever graphic is clicked on to the pasteboard. - Tools Preferences for turning tools on and off - Shape Enhancements - Graded fills - Tiled Images - Improved autosizing/clipping control - Text can have inline images. - To add an image to text, you first have to be editing the text. Then it will accept drag/drop of images. This feature was added to try out a service for converting text to PDF mathematical symbols. - Option to turn off connections for graphics - Line Endings Enhancements - Underlying support for custom line endings - Added sliders for setting line ending size - Export panel additions - Export panel remembers the last export type. - Export panel lets you choose whether to export the graphics, the selection, a rectangular region, or the entire canvas. - Export panel also lets you set the compression, resolution, and background transparency. - Export to HTML Image Map - Grid Enhancements - Added a major grid that is slightly darker than the minor grid. - Added inspector controls for setting the major grid color, spacing and visibilty. - Made the grid visible by default. - Made grid semi-transparent by default. - Changed the templates to have the grid visible. - Changed the A4 and B5 templates to have a 0.5 cm grid (US Legal and Letter have 1/8 inch grid). - Align center to grid is now persistent - Auto-layout improvements - 10x speed improvement for force-directed layout (not including display time) - Added optional magnetic alignment fields - lines will tend to align themselves in the direction of the field - linear fields are can be at any angle - radial fields radiate outwards from a point that can be user set - Miscellaneous features - Arbitrary zoom values now show up on the zoom pop-up (instead of blank). - When a document is opened, it will scroll to the same area that was visible when the document was last saved. - Added a pop-up to the info toolbar configuration - CVS - If a .graffle file is a file wrapper and it has a CVS directory in it, then we preserve the CVS data. - Added a menu item for checking for newer versions - Hooked up a "Send Feedback..." menu item. - Added UML class graphic and UML inheritance arrowhead - Added a preference for "Remember Open Palettes". This will be on by default. It re-opens all of the palettes that were open when the application quit. - Added a color well to the font panel. Now you can set the text color for multiple graphics without having to select text individually and drag and drop the color from the color panel. - Bug Fixes and minor tweaks - Bitmap and pict images that are dragged and dropped into OmniGraffle are no longer converted to TIFF when the file is saved. They are saved with their original data. - Only saves images that are still being used. - Groups were not computing their bounds correctly if they were rotated. - It was crashing if lines that were connected to themselves got grouped. - Graphics with overflowing text had the wrong drawing bounds. - Size To Fit now sizes to fit the current number of pages instead of a 1x1 canvas. - Fixed a bug with scaled documents not printing correctly. - Page breaks no longer draw outside the bounds of the canvas. - Plugged some minor memory leaks - Made Info panel float - The grid size field was not localized - Hide/Show Magnets was not redisplaying the view. - The grid was being drawn on top of the page breaks and in the same color. Now we default to a darker page break color and always draw it after the grid, even if the grid is on top of the graphics. - Tripple-clicking on a graphic no longer ends editing... the 3rd click is passed on to the text editor. - Transparency is working for line labels. - Click-shift-drag had bizarre behavior - Printed images were getting clipped by a half pixel - PDF images were scaling like bitmaps - Holding shift while creating lines should constrain the current segment to 45 degree increments. - Arrow keys should apply to the selected line or polygon knob - Should be able to delete the last point in a line - Clean up the palette code so that there are never duplicates - Shadows now have a default transparency of 50%, and they respond to changes in the transparency. - Fixed a problem with replacing a flat file with a file wrapper. This was broken with the last release of OSX. - Can undo setting page break and canvas colors. - Documents from templates and saved documents were not being centered correctly when first opened - Made the palette viewer a floating window. - Clicking on the Info, Palette, and Selections buttons will now hide there respective windows if they are already open. - "Show Info" changes to "Hide Info" if the panel is visible. - "Show Selection" changes to "Hide Selection" if the panel is visible. - Changed the initial license warning to say 20 objects instead of 10 objects. - Fixed a bug with DOT importing where it was trying to process "node" as a keyword, instead of just a string. - DOT import was choking on nested {}'s - Added support for the full DOT color table - Fixed a crasher related to grouping lines that point to the endpoints of other lines. - Shadows were being clipped by a pixel on PDF export. - Fixed the problem with graphics not scrolling unless the mouse is moving. - Fixed the problem with nudged graphics getting pushed out of view. - Info panes do a better job of hide/show. - Changes from 2.0 Beta (v3) to 2.0 Beta (v4) only - AppleScript Support - OmniOutliner import prefrences - Auto-layout improvements - 10x speed improvement in force-directed layout (not including display time) - added optional magnetic alignment fields - Export panel additions - Export panel remembers the last export type. - Export panel lets you choose whether to export the graphics, the selection, a rectangular region, or the entire canvas. - Export panel also lets you set the compression, resolution, and background transparency. - Grid Enhancements - Added a major grid that is slightly darker than the minor grid. - Added inspector controls for setting the major grid color, spacing and visibilty. - Made the grid visible by default. - Made grid semi-transparent by default. - Changed the templates to have the grid visible. - Changed the A4 and B5 templates to have a 0.5 cm grid (US Legal and Letter have 1/8 inch grid). - Linked URL fixes - Changed is so that when html files are generated, it also generates an associated bitmap, and added an export preference for picking the bitmap. - Drag and drop of urls and files is working for lines. - "Follow Link" saves the currently typed url before following it. - Made more area on the link inspector for displaying urls. - Graphics within a group were not showing their links. This has been fixed. - If a url starts with "www.", then we prepend "http://". - Misc - Align center to grid should be persistent - Arbitrary zoom values now show up on the zoom pop-up (instead of blank). - When a document is opened, it will scroll to the same area that was visible when the document was last saved. - Fixed the problem with the palette window refusing to stay hidden. - Fixed the problem with nudged graphics getting pushed out of view. - Fixed the bug with picas not showing up correctly on the size info pane. - Added a preference for "Remember Open Palettes". This will be on by default. It re-opens all of the palettes that were open when the application quit. - Flooring the bounds of the text seems to get rid of the problem with blurry embedded images. - Info panes do a better job of hide/show. - Hooked up a "Send Feedback..." menu item. - Bitmap and pict images that are dragged and dropped into OmniGraffle are no longer converted to TIFF when the file is saved. They are saved with their original data. - Added a color well to the font panel. Now you can set the text color for multiple graphics without having to select text individually and drag and drop the color from the color panel. - Imroved DOT import support - full color table - handles nested {} - Turned off drawing of the minor grid if the on-screen spacing was less than 4 pixels Press Link: http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/archive/omninews/2002/000087.html Press Contact: Manny Chao Omni Group Marketing 206-523-4152 ext. 290 206-523-5896 fax manny@omnigroup.com From support at omnigroup.com Fri Jan 18 19:28:22 2002 From: support at omnigroup.com (David Kasprzyk) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:08 2007 Subject: Your job posting In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <8C2E571E-0C8A-11D6-9AF3-000502C99ADB@omnigroup.com> Hey Corentin and Howard: We'll as far as we hear at Omni are concerned, there is no better place then in the Emerald City. Plus Howard, everyone knows that the West Coast is where it's at. :-) -David Kasprzyk support@omnigroup.com On Friday, January 18, 2002, at 03:09 AM, Corentin Cras-M?neur wrote: > At 22:46 -0500 17/01/02, Howard Kaufman wrote: >> This sounds like the perfect opportunity for you guys to move your >> operation to the New York City area and finally enjoy what >> civilization has to offer. > > Do you mean there is nothing civilized anywhere else on the surface of > the Earth ??? ;-))) > > > >> I never understood why so many innovative companies decided to rough >> it in the wild in places like Seattle. Most creative people who move >> to New York find they are instantly much more productive and have a >> completely new and realistic outlook on life. > > :-> > > Corentin > _______________________________________________ > OmniGraffle-Users mailing list > OmniGraffle-Users@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnigraffle-users > From alex at mindlube.com Sat Jan 19 00:32:00 2002 From: alex at mindlube.com (Alex Rice) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:08 2007 Subject: ER diagrams Message-ID: Hi, I am trying to make an entity-relationship type of diagram for a database. I am using the UML palette, and the "Class" object. So I need to connect attributes in one class to attributes in another class to represent foreign keys. But omnigraffle puts the connecting lines at the level of the object, not the attribute level. Anyone using omnigraffle for ER diagrams? How do you do it? Alex Rice Mindlube Software http://www.mindlube.com/ From crasmen at magic.fr Sat Jan 19 09:23:01 2002 From: crasmen at magic.fr (Corentin =?iso-8859-1?Q?Cras=2DM=E9neur?=) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:08 2007 Subject: Your job posting In-Reply-To: <8C2E571E-0C8A-11D6-9AF3-000502C99ADB@omnigroup.com> References: <8C2E571E-0C8A-11D6-9AF3-000502C99ADB@omnigroup.com> Message-ID: At 19:13 -0800 18/01/02, David Kasprzyk wrote: >Hey Corentin and Howard: > >We'll as far as we hear at Omni are concerned, there is no better >place then in the Emerald City. Plus Howard, everyone knows that >the West Coast is where it's at. :-) :-)))) Corentin (AKA barbarian ;-) ) From crasmen at magic.fr Sat Jan 19 09:23:04 2002 From: crasmen at magic.fr (Corentin =?iso-8859-1?Q?Cras=2DM=E9neur?=) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:08 2007 Subject: The Omni Group Releases OmniGraffle 2.0 Beta In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 6:28 -0800 18/01/02, manny@omnigroup.com wrote: >The Omni Group Releases OmniGraffle 2.0 Beta > >Seattle, Washington -- January 18th, 2002 -- Today, The Omni Group >released OmniGraffle 2.0 Beta. OmniGraffle is the powerful, yet fun >and easy to use, diagramming and charting application built for Mac >OS X. New features to version 2.0 Beta include AppleScript support, >URL links to graphics, layer support, cool new tools, shape >enhancements, line ending enhancements, export to HTML, grid >enhancements, auto layout improvements, a magnet editor, >OmniOutliner import preferences, and tons of bug fixes and >miscellaneous enhancement. Phew. The list of new features and improvements is impressive !!! Corentin From rs236 at umail.umd.edu Sat Jan 19 10:08:04 2002 From: rs236 at umail.umd.edu (RH Sprinkle MD PhD) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:08 2007 Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?On=20new=20possibilities=20in=20OG=202.0=20=DF=20v4...?= Message-ID: <20020119180645.1528@mail.earthlink.net> Greetings -- New possibilities abound in OmniGraffle 2.0 ? v4, which I have just been exploring this morning. What I find particularly interesting is OG's potential as a non-PowerPoint-oid presentation engine. We can make a graph from an OO outline and then, in OG, link from objects, lines, and even free-standing text directly to other documents -- tables, reports, movies, statistical and modeling apps -- and to URLs, all more smoothly than before. Most of this may have been possible before 2.0 ? v4 but now OG's presentation functionality is approaching criticality. Even a real bone-head like me can see it. Exempli gratia, we can now link from a master OG screen to a subsidiary OG screen and back again -- and upon that can be built some very serious real-time noodling. We can even put pictures (PDFs, anyway) right on a graph, so we can make any number of OG-based illustrations to augment a talk without having to present them serially (and without having to "look one up" during a talk to return to it at a colleague's request.) I guess I'll finally have to buy this thing... Maybe now it wouldn't be too hard to add, say, the following options: ? A explicit "presentation view," matching the aperture of LCD projectors, and containing any file to which a link has been established, with or without a menu bar showing. ? Little blue lightning bolts for OmniOutliner columns. (Well, why not?) ? An elegant way to get back from a linked file not created by OG or OO, rather than having to close it. (This one sounds hard to me, but it might not be, for all I know.) Anyway, pardon the uncharacteristic enthusiasm and flakey suggestions. And congratulations to the OmniGroup! -- Rob Sprinkle ________________________________________________________________ RH Sprinkle MD PhD Associate Professor and Editor-in-Chief, Politics and the Life Sciences School of Public Affairs University of Maryland College Park, MD 20742 301-405-0184 301-314-9346 (fax) rs236@umail.umd.edu www.politicsandthelifesciences.org From crasmen at magic.fr Sun Jan 20 19:35:22 2002 From: crasmen at magic.fr (Corentin =?iso-8859-1?Q?Cras=2DM=E9neur?=) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:08 2007 Subject: OmniGraffle 2.0 (localized) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi, In the French magazine Univers MacWorld (Frech version of MacWorld) that just came out, there is an interview of Ken Case. It mentions plans for localized versions of both OO and OG :-))) Corentin From nextstep at h2.dion.ne.jp Mon Jan 21 05:59:16 2002 From: nextstep at h2.dion.ne.jp (Kazu Kimura) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:08 2007 Subject: OmniGraffle 2.0 (localized) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5F1B6C00-0E23-11D6-96CF-0030657E9E34@h2.dion.ne.jp> How about other languages such as Japanese? Kazu On 2002.01.20, at 19:53, Corentin Cras-M?neur wrote: > Hi, > > > In the French magazine Univers MacWorld (Frech version of MacWorld) > that just came out, there is an interview of Ken Case. > It mentions plans for localized versions of both OO and OG :-))) > > > Corentin > _______________________________________________ > OmniGraffle-Users mailing list > OmniGraffle-Users@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnigraffle-users > From crasmen at magic.fr Mon Jan 21 06:50:58 2002 From: crasmen at magic.fr (Corentin =?iso-8859-1?Q?Cras=2DM=E9neur?=) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:08 2007 Subject: OmniGraffle 2.0 (localized) Message-ID: At 13:00 +0900 21/01/02, Kazu Kimura wrote: >How about other languages such as Japanese? > >Kazu I couldn't tell. The article did not mention the languages that will be supported. Corentin PS : Sorry Kazu, I posted my answer directly to your address instead of the list..... From david at habas.net Mon Jan 21 13:43:34 2002 From: david at habas.net (David Bean) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:08 2007 Subject: New shapes for the palette? Message-ID: My wife has bought Omnigraffle to draw her Quilting course diagrams. Excellent program for the task. I have developed some new outlines for her in Illustrator. How can I get them into an Omnigraffle palette? david ---------------------------------------------------------------- David Bean david@habas.net david.bean@titan.com 10111, Mill Wheel Lane, Vienna, VA 22182-1338, USA Tel (703) 757 4998 Fax (209) 821 8556 http://www.habas.net ---------------------------------------------------------------- From support at omnigroup.com Mon Jan 21 13:48:25 2002 From: support at omnigroup.com (David Kasprzyk) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:08 2007 Subject: bug/crash In-Reply-To: <3A267684-0C37-11D6-8133-00306570F2FC@mindspring.com> Message-ID: Dear Mr. Kaufman: Thanks for catching all of these problems for us. Our programmers have looked into the problems and I think that these issue have been fixed. We will most likely be releasing 2.0 beta (v5) soon so that we can provide all of our testers with a version that fixes a lot of the larger bugs that appeared in (v4). As always let us know if you run into any bugs or if you come up with a great idea that you would like to see put into OmniGraffle. Sincerely, David Kasprzyk support@omnigroup.com Join the OmniGraffle Users List http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnigraffle-users On Friday, January 18, 2002, at 09:17 AM, Howard Kaufman wrote: > The new check box to display/hide the major grid is broken and results > in this alert: > > Alert: gridinfo undoMangager - selector not recognized (not exact) > > Also, I tried to use Grab to take a screen shot of the Alert box and > the whole machine crashed with the endlessly spinning beach ball > requiring a hard reboot, my first in quite a while. > > Howard Kaufman > > _______________________________________________ > OmniGraffle-Users mailing list > OmniGraffle-Users@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnigraffle-users > On Friday, January 18, 2002, at 04:43 AM, Howard Kaufman wrote: Just noticed a bug when you are working in picas. The grid value always shows zero, although you can use the slider or type in new values to change grid spacing. Howard Kaufman _______________________________________________ OmniGraffle-Users mailing list OmniGraffle-Users@omnigroup.com http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnigraffle-users On Friday, January 18, 2002, at 04:45 AM, Howard Kaufman wrote: Another little bugger. When the ruler is set to points the vertical axis is not labeled correctly. Just zeros at every tic. Howard Kaufman _______________________________________________ OmniGraffle-Users mailing list OmniGraffle-Users@omnigroup.com http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnigraffle-users -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/enriched Size: 2145 bytes Desc: not available Url : /mailman/archive/omnigraffle-users/attachments/20020121/3edd9909/attachment.bin From jtyzack at mac.com Mon Jan 21 17:43:20 2002 From: jtyzack at mac.com (Jonathan Tyzack) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:08 2007 Subject: Is there any way to change text colour in OG 2.0 beta? Message-ID: <04C47D0A-0ECD-11D6-9A7D-003065E45DFA@mac.com> Hi, this is my first post to the user group, so apologies if this should be sent to feedback instead... I've downloaded OG 2.0 Beta (v5) and have found that I am unable to change the text colour in unfilled rectangular boxes (perhaps other shapes too - I haven't tried). My highlighted text disappears when I try to apply a colour and then an "Alert" message appears: *** -[NSColorPanel set]: selector not recognized and the document gets seriously whacked out (I have to close and then reopen it to be able to proceed). This also happened in the previous beta, but instead the colour of the grid major lines would change first before I got the error message (although I think that may have been because I had the grid options on display in the Show Info panel at the time). So am I attempting something that isn't actually possible (altering text colour) - in which case, can I make that a feature request - or is it simply a bug? Cheers, Jonathan Tyzack. From manny at omnigroup.com Mon Jan 21 22:05:25 2002 From: manny at omnigroup.com (manny@omnigroup.com) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:08 2007 Subject: OmniGraffle 2.0 Beta Bug fix Message-ID: <20FDE4E5-0EE3-11D6-9546-00050237CCE1@omnigroup.com> An updated OmniGraffle 2.0 Beta is available for download. This release fixes a major "Send Feedback..." bug. In the previous Beta, OmniGraffle would crash when registered users used the "Send Feedback..." feature in the help menu. That's really bad, since the whole point of a Beta is to get feedback from our users. It's fixed now. :) The latest release of OmniGraffle 2.0 Beta can be downloaded from http://www.omnigroup.com/products/omnigraffle/. Here's a list of a few more fixes. Please continue to send us feedback. Thanks! - Changes from 2.0 Beta v4 to 2.0 Beta v5 - If you clicked on the Text tool in the preferences panel before bringing up the font panel, you started getting lots of alert panels and the app became unusable. - Fixed the "Send Feedback..." crasher. - Fixed a sporadic bug with invalid selectors getting sent to the NSColorPanel. - Fixed a bug where an Alert panel would come up if you tried to hide the major grid. - Fixed a special case where the palette viewer would never become visible. - Tools-Palettes->Edit Palette was raising an error if the palette viewer had not been opened. - Double-clicking on a graphic with colored text was resetting the color to black. - The Align button on the Grid Info pane was not hooked up. - Using the zoom tool to set a zoom region was getting the wrong zoom level if the document was already zoomed. - When printing, print jobs were going to the Print Center as untitled instead of with the document name. - Added some more space in the vertical ruler for displaying in points. - Got rid of some rendering dirt in the ruler when moving graphics caused the view to scroll. - Added 5 more shapes and 2 new palettes (Boolean Gates and Information Architecture) - Switched to an Update preferences pane instead of a "Check For Updates..." menu item. - Force-directed layout... - Runs in a separate thread. - Brings up a progress indicator and lets you stop layouts in progress. - No longer has a problem with perfectly overlapping graphics. Press Contact: Manny Chao The Omni Group 206-523-4152 ext. 290 manny@omnigroup.com From support at omnigroup.com Mon Jan 21 22:12:50 2002 From: support at omnigroup.com (David Kasprzyk) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:08 2007 Subject: ER diagrams In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Dear Mr. Rice: Thank you for your support of OmniGraffle. In regards to your question about ER diagrams, there are two different ways that you could achieve what you are looking for. Which you choose depends on whether you will be moving your shapes around a lot or not. If you don?t move your shapes around a lot: The easiest thing to do is to select the shape, go to the Magnet Info panel and deselect ?Allow Connections?. Now you can attach the line wherever you would like to the shape. If you move your shapes around: Instead of not allowing connections, use the Magnet Info Panel and attach some magnet points to your shape. Your line will now stay fixed to wherever you have placed the magnets on your shape. If you have any questions about this or if you have any comments please let us know and we will happily assist you. Sincerely, David Kasprzyk support@omnigroup.com Join the OmniGraffle Users List http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnigraffle-users On 1/19/02 12:30 AM, "Alex Rice" wrote: > Hi, I am trying to make an entity-relationship type of diagram for a > database. I am using the UML palette, and the "Class" object. So I need > to connect attributes in one class to attributes in another class to > represent foreign keys. But omnigraffle puts the connecting lines at the > level of the object, not the attribute level. Anyone using omnigraffle > for ER diagrams? How do you do it? > > Alex Rice > Mindlube Software > http://www.mindlube.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > OmniGraffle-Users mailing list > OmniGraffle-Users@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnigraffle-users > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /mailman/archive/omnigraffle-users/attachments/20020121/4bf3c516/attachment.html From kc at omnigroup.com Mon Jan 21 22:29:12 2002 From: kc at omnigroup.com (Ken Case) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:08 2007 Subject: OmniGraffle 2.0 (localized) In-Reply-To: <5F1B6C00-0E23-11D6-96CF-0030657E9E34@h2.dion.ne.jp> Message-ID: On Sunday, January 20, 2002, at 08:00 , Kazu Kimura wrote: > How about other languages such as Japanese? Ideally, we'd like for OmniGraffle and OmniOutliner to support all the languages which OmniWeb supports, with our initial focus on Japanese, French, and German. Ken From nextstep at h2.dion.ne.jp Mon Jan 21 22:29:15 2002 From: nextstep at h2.dion.ne.jp (Kazu Kimura) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:08 2007 Subject: OmniGraffle 2.0 (localized) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <97C5FEA4-0EFA-11D6-96CF-0030657E9E34@h2.dion.ne.jp> Ken, Thank you for good information. Regards, Kazu On 2002.01.22, at 14:36, Ken Case wrote: > On Sunday, January 20, 2002, at 08:00 , Kazu Kimura wrote: >> How about other languages such as Japanese? > > Ideally, we'd like for OmniGraffle and OmniOutliner to support all the > languages which OmniWeb supports, with our initial focus on Japanese, > French, and German. > > Ken > From speirsfr at dcs.gla.ac.uk Mon Jan 21 23:16:47 2002 From: speirsfr at dcs.gla.ac.uk (Fraser Speirs) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:08 2007 Subject: ER diagrams In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <50633CF0-0E57-11D6-80B3-003065B62814@dcs.gla.ac.uk> On Saturday, January 19, 2002, at 08:30 AM, Alex Rice wrote: > Hi, I am trying to make an entity-relationship type of diagram for a > database. I am using the UML palette, and the "Class" object. So I need > to connect attributes in one class to attributes in another class to > represent foreign keys. But omnigraffle puts the connecting lines at > the level of the object, not the attribute level. Anyone using > omnigraffle for ER diagrams? How do you do it? I've recently started doing basic ER diagramming in OmniGraffle. I made a palette of objects for it, which I'll happily send you if you want. My palette doesn't do what you want, but to answer your question with 2.0, I guess you could add magnets in the appropriate places where you need lines to end? Best, Fraser -- Fraser Speirs Department of Computing Science - University of Glasgow Room G161, 17 Lillybank Gardens, Glasgow G12 8QQ t: 0141 339 8855 ext.0917 e: speirsfr@dcs.gla.ac.uk w: www.dcs.gla.ac.uk/~speirsfr From crasmen at magic.fr Tue Jan 22 04:40:58 2002 From: crasmen at magic.fr (Corentin =?iso-8859-1?Q?Cras=2DM=E9neur?=) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:08 2007 Subject: OmniGraffle 2.0 (localized) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 21:36 -0800 21/01/02, Ken Case wrote: >On Sunday, January 20, 2002, at 08:00 , Kazu Kimura wrote: >>How about other languages such as Japanese? > >Ideally, we'd like for OmniGraffle and OmniOutliner to support all >the languages which OmniWeb supports, with our initial focus on >Japanese, French, and German. > > Ken > OK. Thanks for the information. Corentin PS : Nice picture in Univers MacWorld :-) From manny at omnigroup.com Tue Jan 22 13:22:14 2002 From: manny at omnigroup.com (manny@omnigroup.com) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:08 2007 Subject: OmniGraffle 2.0 Beta Bug fix In-Reply-To: <20FDE4E5-0EE3-11D6-9546-00050237CCE1@omnigroup.com> Message-ID: So the bug didn't actually get fixed in Beta v5 (oops) but it is fixed now in Beta v6. Here are the new release notes. - Changes from 2.0 Beta v4 to 2.0 Beta v6 - If you clicked on the Text tool in the preferences panel before bringing up the font panel, you started getting lots of alert panels and the app became unusable. - Fixed the "Send Feedback..." crasher (v5) and script error (v6) - Fixed a sporadic bug with invalid selectors getting sent to the NSColorPanel. - Fixed a bug where an Alert panel would come up if you tried to hide the major grid. - Fixed a special case where the palette viewer would never become visible. - Tools-Palettes->Edit Palette was raising an error if the palette viewer had not been opened. - Double-clicking on a graphic with colored text was resetting the color to black. - The Align button on the Grid Info pane was not hooked up. - Using the zoom tool to set a zoom region was getting the wrong zoom level if the document was already zoomed. - When printing, print jobs were going to the Print Center as untitled instead of with the document name. - Added some more space in the vertical ruler for displaying in points. - Got rid of some rendering dirt in the ruler when moving graphics caused the view to scroll. - Added 5 more shapes and 2 new palettes (Boolean Gates and Information Architecture) - Switched to an Update preferences pane instead of a "Check For Updates..." menu item. - PDF images were looking like bitmaps when zoomed in. - When PDF is pasted into the middle of text, it no longer gets converted to TIFF. - Exporting to HTML wasn't handling spaces in the file name. - Links now also support AppleScript links. They show little script icons when Show Links is turned on, and clicking on them runs the associated script. The Link Inspector has URL and Script tabs now, and the Script tab has some rudimentary script editing capabilities. - Force-directed layout... - Runs in a separate thread. - Brings up a progress indicator and lets you stop layouts in progress. - No longer has a problem with perfectly overlapping graphics. From jtyzack at mac.com Tue Jan 22 20:52:14 2002 From: jtyzack at mac.com (Jonathan Tyzack) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:08 2007 Subject: Bug still present in beta 6 In-Reply-To: <04C47D0A-0ECD-11D6-9A7D-003065E45DFA@mac.com> Message-ID: <7401776D-0F95-11D6-9A7D-003065E45DFA@mac.com> FWIW, this bug is still present in beta 6. On Tuesday, January 22, 2002, at 12:14 am, Jonathan Tyzack wrote: > Hi, this is my first post to the user group, so apologies if this > should be sent to feedback instead... > > I've downloaded OG 2.0 Beta (v5) and have found that I am unable to > change the text colour in unfilled rectangular boxes (perhaps other > shapes too - I haven't tried). My highlighted text disappears when I > try to apply a colour and then an "Alert" message appears: > > *** -[NSColorPanel set]: selector not recognized > > and the document gets seriously whacked out (I have to close and then > reopen it to be able to proceed). > > This also happened in the previous beta, but instead the colour of the > grid major lines would change first before I got the error message > (although I think that may have been because I had the grid options on > display in the Show Info panel at the time). So am I attempting > something that isn't actually possible (altering text colour) - in > which case, can I make that a feature request - or is it simply a bug? > > Cheers, > > Jonathan Tyzack. > From john at oram.com Tue Jan 22 22:53:01 2002 From: john at oram.com (John Oram) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:08 2007 Subject: text opacity - won't save, causes crash Message-ID: Hi everyone- I'm having trouble with the opacity of text objects in v4 (and earlier betas). I have no trouble setting the opacity of a new text object. However, Graffle doesn't seem to save the opacity setting - when I open the file again, the text is completely solid. I have also been seeing some serious weirdness when I try to change the opacity of text that I previously tried to make transparent. Often Graffle quits completely, or just refuses to let me change anything else on the screen. I get this alert: *** -[NSColorPanel set]: selector not recognized I'm having no trouble at all with opacity of graphical objects, just text. -John From john at oram.com Tue Jan 22 23:20:59 2002 From: john at oram.com (John Oram) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:08 2007 Subject: coloured text meltdown Message-ID: oooooookay... downloaded OG beta v6, and now I am seeing the same trouble as Jonathan Tyzack - I can't change the colour of text objects at all (never mind the opacity). Same error, and I can do nothing with anything on that page afterwards. (I'm on the digest, so sorry about any confusion re my previous message.) Definitely didn't have the coloured text problem in betas before v4... -John From hkaufman at mindspring.com Wed Jan 23 06:09:00 2002 From: hkaufman at mindspring.com (Howard Kaufman) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:08 2007 Subject: beta 6 Message-ID: Wow, you got a lot fixed in the new beta! Thanks!!! One sticking bug though that to me is super serious: Dragging a line while snapping to grid is really flaky now. It wants to snap at many places between grid gradations. Only lines and not shapes exhibit this behavior. Also, nudging with up/down arrows still works correctly. So only dragging lines with the mouse is flaky. Sorry to bug you on this bug. But Snapping to grid while dragging is paramount! Howard Kaufman From kevin at omnigroup.com Wed Jan 23 10:27:01 2002 From: kevin at omnigroup.com (Kevin Steele) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:08 2007 Subject: coloured text meltdown In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Just found it. It's Apply button on the color panel that is causing the problem. We added the ability to set the text color when multiple graphics are selected, but our implementation is in conflict with the message that the Apply button sends out. For this release if you want to set the font color of text, bring up the font panel and click on the color well at the bottom. This will activate the color well and any color changes you make on the color panel will immediately be reflected in the selected text. In the next release the Apply button will be working again. - Kevin On Tuesday, January 22, 2002, at 11:20 PM, John Oram wrote: > oooooookay... downloaded OG beta v6, and now I am seeing the same > trouble as Jonathan Tyzack - I can't change the colour of text objects > at all (never mind the opacity). Same error, and I can do nothing with > anything on that page afterwards. (I'm on the digest, so sorry about > any confusion re my previous message.) > > Definitely didn't have the coloured text problem in betas before v4... > > -John > _______________________________________________ > OmniGraffle-Users mailing list > OmniGraffle-Users@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnigraffle-users > > From jtyzack at mac.com Wed Jan 23 10:40:02 2002 From: jtyzack at mac.com (Jonathan Tyzack) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:08 2007 Subject: coloured text meltdown In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks Kevin. I was indeed pressing the Apply button prior to observing the effect of the bug - should have mentioned that in my bug report. I assume you mean the colour well at the bottom left, next to the 8 (or is it 10?) pre-selected colours which are in turn next to the apply button? No need for a reply - I will try it again when I get the opportunity... and the next beta might be out by then anyway ;-). Cheers, Jonathan >Just found it. > >It's Apply button on the color panel that is causing the problem. >We added the ability to set the text color when multiple graphics >are selected, but our implementation is in conflict with the message >that the Apply button sends out. > >For this release if you want to set the font color of text, bring up >the font panel and click on the color well at the bottom. This will >activate the color well and any color changes you make on the color >panel will immediately be reflected in the selected text. > >In the next release the Apply button will be working again. > >- Kevin > >On Tuesday, January 22, 2002, at 11:20 PM, John Oram wrote: > >>oooooookay... downloaded OG beta v6, and now I am seeing the same >>trouble as Jonathan Tyzack - I can't change the colour of text >>objects at all (never mind the opacity). Same error, and I can do >>nothing with anything on that page afterwards. (I'm on the digest, >>so sorry about any confusion re my previous message.) >> >>Definitely didn't have the coloured text problem in betas before v4... >> >>-John >>_______________________________________________ >>OmniGraffle-Users mailing list >>OmniGraffle-Users@omnigroup.com >>http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnigraffle-users From hkaufman at mindspring.com Thu Jan 24 04:12:02 2002 From: hkaufman at mindspring.com (Howard Kaufman) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:08 2007 Subject: Crazy yellow circle Message-ID: <6CFE44BF-10C3-11D6-B7C0-00306570F2FC@mindspring.com> Attached is a screen shot showing a bold yellow circle. I don't know what it is for, but it makes it hard to draw lines. This appears when I select the line tool and get near another object. The yellow circle obscures other lines making it difficult to begin the line at a precise location. Also, this yellow circle jumps on it's own to nearby objects, even though snap to grid is off. Howard Kaufman From kevin at omnigroup.com Thu Jan 24 10:53:19 2002 From: kevin at omnigroup.com (Kevin Steele) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:08 2007 Subject: Crazy yellow circle In-Reply-To: <6CFE44BF-10C3-11D6-B7C0-00306570F2FC@mindspring.com> Message-ID: <7A63BBCC-10FB-11D6-A6A2-00306571CE92@omnigroup.com> Hi Howard, I didn't get the screenshot, but I'll take a guess at what it was. The yellow highlighting is used to indicate that a connection will be made to that graphic if you click at the current mouse location. (it uses the same highlight color as selection in text editing, so not everyone will be seeing yellow). There are two changes that I'm making right now that should help out. 1) You can set the line to not "allow connections" on the Magnet Info pane, but it still shows the highlighting as if it was still going to make connections. I'm putting in a fix so that the highlighting will only show up if connections are allowed. 2) I'm mixing some transparency into the highlight color so that it won't completely obscure what's beneath it. Best Regards, Kevin Steele On Thursday, January 24, 2002, at 04:10 AM, Howard Kaufman wrote: > Attached is a screen shot showing a bold yellow circle. I don't know > what it is for, but it makes it hard to draw lines. This appears when > I select the line tool and get near another object. The yellow circle > obscures other lines making it difficult to begin the line at a precise > location. Also, this yellow circle jumps on it's own to nearby objects, > even though snap to grid is off. > > Howard Kaufman > > _______________________________________________ > OmniGraffle-Users mailing list > OmniGraffle-Users@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnigraffle-users > > From kevin at omnigroup.com Thu Jan 24 11:12:21 2002 From: kevin at omnigroup.com (Kevin Steele) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:08 2007 Subject: Crazy yellow circle In-Reply-To: <7A63BBCC-10FB-11D6-A6A2-00306571CE92@omnigroup.com> Message-ID: <1D2D2420-10FE-11D6-A6A2-00306571CE92@omnigroup.com> I should add that holding down the option key while creating a line will turn off the highlighting and not allow connections. - Kevin On Thursday, January 24, 2002, at 10:52 AM, Kevin Steele wrote: > Hi Howard, > > I didn't get the screenshot, but I'll take a guess at what it was. The > yellow highlighting is used to indicate that a connection will be made > to that graphic if you click at the current mouse location. (it uses > the same highlight color as selection in text editing, so not everyone > will be seeing yellow). > > There are two changes that I'm making right now that should help out. > 1) You can set the line to not "allow connections" on the Magnet > Info pane, but it still shows the highlighting as if it was still going > to make connections. I'm putting in a fix so that the highlighting > will only show up if connections are allowed. > 2) I'm mixing some transparency into the highlight color so that > it won't completely obscure what's beneath it. > > Best Regards, > Kevin Steele > > On Thursday, January 24, 2002, at 04:10 AM, Howard Kaufman wrote: > >> Attached is a screen shot showing a bold yellow circle. I don't know >> what it is for, but it makes it hard to draw lines. This appears when >> I select the line tool and get near another object. The yellow circle >> obscures other lines making it difficult to begin the line at a >> precise location. Also, this yellow circle jumps on it's own to nearby >> objects, even though snap to grid is off. >> >> Howard Kaufman >> >> _______________________________________________ >> OmniGraffle-Users mailing list >> OmniGraffle-Users@omnigroup.com >> http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnigraffle-users >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > OmniGraffle-Users mailing list > OmniGraffle-Users@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnigraffle-users > > From twiebe at mac.com Thu Jan 24 11:25:56 2002 From: twiebe at mac.com (Tom Wiebe) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:08 2007 Subject: Omni Outliner import in Omni Graffle Message-ID: <0BBC7BC8-1100-11D6-B0CB-0030658FC1FC@mac.com> Hi, Just wanted to drop a kudos to the Graffle team for the way cool Omni Outliner import feature you've added to the beta version of Omni Graffle. And I thought the combination was useful before! One addtion that would be nice though is if a dialog box popped up and asked you what style you wanted to use as you opened the outline. It seems unintuitive to have to set this in the preferences. Tom Wiebe The Image Foundation http://www.imagefoundation.com/ (604) 688-3124 From support at omnigroup.com Fri Jan 25 18:15:01 2002 From: support at omnigroup.com (David Kasprzyk) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:08 2007 Subject: subtle problem with align In-Reply-To: <4ADEA1D1-0E19-11D6-9D04-00306570F2FC@mindspring.com> Message-ID: <62A0F209-1202-11D6-8DB3-000502C99ADB@omnigroup.com> Hi Howard, and everyone else on the Graffle list: Sorry for the slight delay in getting back to you, but the Graffle mailboxes are constantly being filled with great emails, and then I've be busy with my Senior Space design class. Anyways, on to the issues! First off, in regards to your alignment problem, both the align in the menu and in the info panel are working properly. What I think was giving you the impression that the info panel is not working is the Alignment Point control. You can use the alignment point to control which point on a shape will be used as a reference for alignment. In your case, I have a feeling that one of the points on the left side was highlighted when you selected align vertically. This would then cause all the shapes to be aligned vertically, with reference to that point (in your case the left side). If you select one of the center points you should get the result that you are expecting. As for the line grid snapping issue, we have been able to recreate this issue, and it should be fixed in the next beta release of OmniGraffle 2.0 public beta. If you have any further comments or questions for us or if you run into any more bugs, please to let us know about them and as always we will be happy to assist you. Sincerely, David Kasprzyk support@omnigroup.com Join the OmniGraffle Users List http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnigraffle-users On Sunday, January 20, 2002, at 06:48 PM, Howard Kaufman wrote: > I have some problem with the way align is working. It's a bit too > difficult to describe so I've attached a drawing with which you can > experience it. The drawing represents an equipment rack and several > individual rack panels placed within it. The equipment rack is a group > of two rectangles created to form a rough picture of the real world > object (admittedly coarse). I place the individual rack panels within > the rack with some difficulty and then experimented with the align > feature. Here is what I found. At first I tried the info panel/align > vertical centers tool and found it did not align the vertical centers. > It did an align by left edges instead. If I chose the same option, but > from the format/align menu instead, it works correctly. So there seems > to be some difference between info palette align vertical centers and > format menu/align/vertical centers. So it seems odd that the same > command, but accessed from different places would act so differently. > > Howard Kaufman > On Wednesday, January 23, 2002, at 06:08 AM, Howard Kaufman wrote: Wow, you got a lot fixed in the new beta! Thanks!!! One sticking bug though that to me is super serious: Dragging a line while snapping to grid is really flaky now. It wants to snap at many places between grid gradations. Only lines and not shapes exhibit this behavior. Also, nudging with up/down arrows still works correctly. So only dragging lines with the mouse is flaky. Sorry to bug you on this bug. But Snapping to grid while dragging is paramount! Howard Kaufman _______________________________________________ OmniGraffle-Users mailing list OmniGraffle-Users@omnigroup.com http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnigraffle-users -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/enriched Size: 3284 bytes Desc: not available Url : /mailman/archive/omnigraffle-users/attachments/20020125/be9894ba/attachment.bin From hkaufman at mindspring.com Sat Jan 26 03:55:00 2002 From: hkaufman at mindspring.com (Howard Kaufman) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:08 2007 Subject: Dashed lines Message-ID: <7D3CA876-1253-11D6-9C0D-00306570F2FC@mindspring.com> Maybe I'm too myopic, but are there no options for dashed lines in OG? Howard Kaufman From hkaufman at mindspring.com Sat Jan 26 03:58:00 2002 From: hkaufman at mindspring.com (Howard Kaufman) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:08 2007 Subject: Dashes Message-ID: Sorry, the dash option is in the Style Pane. What threw me was I searched the help file for Dash, dashes, dashed lines, etc. and got no result. Maybe dashes should be part of the Line info pane? Cheers, Howard Kaufman From nextstep at h2.dion.ne.jp Sat Jan 26 04:00:01 2002 From: nextstep at h2.dion.ne.jp (Kazu Kimura) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:08 2007 Subject: Dashed lines In-Reply-To: <7D3CA876-1253-11D6-9C0D-00306570F2FC@mindspring.com> Message-ID: <378EB7A2-1254-11D6-9173-0030657E9E34@h2.dion.ne.jp> You can change the style of line from Style info and also you can change the thickness. Regards, Kazu On 2002.01.26, at 20:54, Howard Kaufman wrote: > Maybe I'm too myopic, but are there no options for dashed lines in OG? > > Howard Kaufman > > _______________________________________________ > OmniGraffle-Users mailing list > OmniGraffle-Users@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnigraffle-users > From hkaufman at mindspring.com Sat Jan 26 04:10:01 2002 From: hkaufman at mindspring.com (Howard Kaufman) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:08 2007 Subject: Fwd: Dashed lines Message-ID: <9CC93D76-1255-11D6-9C0D-00306570F2FC@mindspring.com> Begin forwarded message: From: Howard Kaufman Date: Sat Jan 26, 2002 07:09:13 AM US/Eastern To: Kazu Kimura Subject: Re: Dashed lines Thanks Kazu. I did find it there. I guess I was expecting it in the Line Info Pane. Howard Kaufman On Saturday, January 26, 2002, at 06:59 AM, Kazu Kimura wrote: > You can change the style of line from Style info and also you can change > the thickness. > > Regards, > Kazu > > > On 2002.01.26, at 20:54, Howard Kaufman wrote: > >> Maybe I'm too myopic, but are there no options for dashed lines in OG? >> >> Howard Kaufman >> >> _______________________________________________ >> OmniGraffle-Users mailing list >> OmniGraffle-Users@omnigroup.com >> http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnigraffle-users >> > From support at omnigroup.com Sun Jan 27 13:56:14 2002 From: support at omnigroup.com (David Kasprzyk) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:08 2007 Subject: Dashed lines In-Reply-To: <9CC93D76-1255-11D6-9C0D-00306570F2FC@mindspring.com> Message-ID: Dear Howard: I'm glad that you found the way to change the line properties. Do to the limited space in the line panels we had to put those options someplace else so Kevin choose to put them into the Style panel. We may one day change this again, but for know that's the way the panel's are laid out. Let me know if you have any additional comments or questions and I'll be happy to answer them for you. Sincerely, David Kasprzyk support@omnigroup.com Join the OmniGraffle Users List http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnigraffle-users On Saturday, January 26, 2002, at 04:09 AM, Howard Kaufman wrote: > > > Begin forwarded message: > > From: Howard Kaufman > Date: Sat Jan 26, 2002 07:09:13 AM US/Eastern > To: Kazu Kimura > Subject: Re: Dashed lines > > Thanks Kazu. I did find it there. I guess I was expecting it in the > Line Info Pane. > > Howard Kaufman > On Saturday, January 26, 2002, at 06:59 AM, Kazu Kimura wrote: > >> You can change the style of line from Style info and also you can >> change the thickness. >> >> Regards, >> Kazu >> >> >> On 2002.01.26, at 20:54, Howard Kaufman wrote: >> >>> Maybe I'm too myopic, but are there no options for dashed lines in OG? >>> >>> Howard Kaufman >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> OmniGraffle-Users mailing list >>> OmniGraffle-Users@omnigroup.com >>> http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnigraffle-users >>> >> > > _______________________________________________ > OmniGraffle-Users mailing list > OmniGraffle-Users@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnigraffle-users > From john at oram.com Sun Jan 27 13:56:38 2002 From: john at oram.com (John Oram) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:08 2007 Subject: inability to save text opacity Message-ID: Hi- Can anyone else confirm the inability to save text opacity that I am running into? (This is unrelated to the Apply button issues we were talking about last week.) Try this: - create a text item (standalone, or within a shape, doesn't matter) - select it and open the colour window - select an opacity % - save the file - reopen the file - see if John is imagining things :) I'm running v6. I am not having any opacity issues with any other objects (lines, shapes, etc.) -John From john at oram.com Sun Jan 27 15:33:01 2002 From: john at oram.com (John Oram) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:08 2007 Subject: inability to save text opacity Message-ID: David Kasprzyk was able to reproduce it and has logged it as a bug. (Thanks, David.) (and I just figured out that the text tool produces a square shape with no line or fill... :) -john From kc at omnigroup.com Mon Jan 28 11:15:01 2002 From: kc at omnigroup.com (Ken Case) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:08 2007 Subject: Dashed lines In-Reply-To: <9CC93D76-1255-11D6-9C0D-00306570F2FC@mindspring.com> Message-ID: <40EFB863-1423-11D6-BDF0-0003934BF9C8@omnigroup.com> On Saturday, January 26, 2002, at 04:09 , Howard Kaufman wrote: > Thanks Kazu. I did find it there. I guess I was expecting it in the > Line Info Pane. The reason those attributes are on the "Style" pane are because they apply to all shapes, not just lines. Ken From hkaufman at mindspring.com Mon Jan 28 12:20:01 2002 From: hkaufman at mindspring.com (Howard Kaufman) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:08 2007 Subject: Text Opaciity In-Reply-To: <200201282003.g0SK3eW19132@lists.omnigroup.com> Message-ID: <58E3A45A-142C-11D6-855C-00306570F2FC@mindspring.com> I get an error: Selector not recognized, when I try to change the text opacity. Howard Kaufman On Monday, January 28, 2002, at 03:03 PM, omnigraffle-users- request@omnigroup.com wrote: > Try this: > > - create a text item (standalone, or within a shape, doesn't matter) > - select it and open the colour window > - select an opacity % > - save the file > - reopen the file > - see if John is imagining things :) From hkaufman at mindspring.com Mon Jan 28 12:29:00 2002 From: hkaufman at mindspring.com (Howard Kaufman) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:08 2007 Subject: Small tweak? Message-ID: <8D0CD6F6-142D-11D6-855C-00306570F2FC@mindspring.com> When I open some documents now it takes a very long time as the palette window loads in each palette that was previously used in the document, one at a time. Maybe it would be better to only remember the last open palette which would speed up the loading of documents? Howard Kaufman From john at oram.com Mon Jan 28 13:18:01 2002 From: john at oram.com (John Oram) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:08 2007 Subject: suggestions for new features Message-ID: Hi eeveryone- I've made a list of what I think would be useful feature enhancements and additions to OG, organized largely by Info Pane. I'd be interested to hear what others think, and what people would like to see first, and what needs clarifying/explanation. (* indicates something I've already bugged David about.) I've included the text version below (with no LFs), as OGU doesn't seem to handle attachments well. I've also posted an html version (created, of course, in OmniList... :) at http://oram.com/omni/omnigraffle_suggestions.html (the source outliner file is visible in the /omni directory, but you'll have to click and 'save as...') -John =-=-=-=-=-=-=-= o Style Info o ability to control the offset of shadows o by pixels, inches, etc. o Size Info o rotation/angle shortcuts o rotate button (think iPhoto) - jumps by 90 degree increments o or make the angle selector 'sticky' at 90 degree increments o allow flipping/rotation of unconnected lines (I can rotate a line if it is groups with something...) o dimensions o add a 'scale to' slider (again, think iPhoto) and value field (enter .75x, or 2x, etc, either overall or for both x and y axis) o Shape Info o text outside shapes o in Shape Autosizing, add an option to allow text to expand/spill left and right, outside the bounds of the shape (similar to the current up and down 'spilling'.) o add location and offset sliders (similar to line control) to allow text to be outside the shape* o or, in Text Placement, have options for the text to be outside the shape, but bound to a particular edge of the shape o add shapes to presets o Line Info o perpendicular attachment of line endings o for some line endings (square, fork, etc) it would be better if it remained perpendicular to the shape it is attached to, rather than perpendicular to its line. the line could hinge off the ending, rather than the shape itself... o have line settings in Line Info as well as in Shapes Info o convert a multi-point line into a shape o allow adjustment of turning radius in 'curvy line' mode o also allow 'curvy line' option in 'draw your own shape' mode o Magnets o scale/zoom window o difficult to place magnets in long, thin shapes* o shift clicking of magnets in shape in drawing itself allows them to be moved? o allow arrow keys to nudge magnets o Other o add a 'Colour Info' pane to Info Viewer o show all colour wells in one place - fill, shadow, line, and text o though keep them in each relevant Info section o export to rich data types o .dot files? o Visio (and import?)* o simultaneously resize multiple objects* o if more than one object is selected, and resize via mouse, have option for all object selected to resize (maybe while holding shift?) o audio feedback for magnets* o click when successfully attached to magnet (vs. shape itself) o useful for magnets in grouped objects From nextstep at h2.dion.ne.jp Mon Jan 28 16:49:05 2002 From: nextstep at h2.dion.ne.jp (Kazu Kimura) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:08 2007 Subject: suggestions for new features In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Yes, I do expect Visio compatibility because it is one of de fact standard. Regards, Kazu On 2002.01.29, at 06:17, John Oram wrote: > Hi eeveryone- > > I've made a list of what I think would be useful feature enhancements > and additions to OG, organized largely by Info Pane. I'd be interested > to hear what others think, and what people would like to see first, and > what needs clarifying/explanation. (* indicates something I've already > bugged David about.) > > I've included the text version below (with no LFs), as OGU doesn't seem > to handle attachments well. I've also posted an html version (created, > of course, in OmniList... :) at > > http://oram.com/omni/omnigraffle_suggestions.html > > (the source outliner file is visible in the /omni directory, but you'll > have to click and 'save as...') > > -John > > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > (snip) > o Other > o add a 'Colour Info' pane to Info Viewer > o show all colour wells in one place - fill, shadow, line, and text > o though keep them in each relevant Info section > o export to rich data types > o .dot files? > o Visio (and import?)* > o simultaneously resize multiple objects* > o if more than one object is selected, and resize via mouse, > have option for all object selected to resize (maybe while holding > shift?) > o audio feedback for magnets* > o click when successfully attached to magnet (vs. shape itself) > o useful for magnets in grouped objects > _______________________________________________ > OmniGraffle-Users mailing list > OmniGraffle-Users@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnigraffle-users > From djholt at mac.com Mon Jan 28 17:08:32 2002 From: djholt at mac.com (David Holt) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:08 2007 Subject: suggestions for new features In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <237F0048-1454-11D6-B781-0050E4BA5A6D@mac.com> Hear hear!!! David On Monday, January 28, 2002, at 04:48 PM, Kazu Kimura wrote: > Yes, > > I do expect Visio compatibility because it is one of de fact standard. > > Regards, > Kazu > > On 2002.01.29, at 06:17, John Oram wrote: > >> Hi eeveryone- >> >> I've made a list of what I think would be useful feature enhancements >> and additions to OG, organized largely by Info Pane. I'd be >> interested to hear what others think, and what people would like to >> see first, and what needs clarifying/explanation. (* indicates >> something I've already bugged David about.) >> >> I've included the text version below (with no LFs), as OGU doesn't >> seem to handle attachments well. I've also posted an html version >> (created, of course, in OmniList... :) at >> >> http://oram.com/omni/omnigraffle_suggestions.html >> >> (the source outliner file is visible in the /omni directory, but >> you'll have to click and 'save as...') >> >> -John >> >> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-= >> > > (snip) >> o Other >> o add a 'Colour Info' pane to Info Viewer >> o show all colour wells in one place - fill, shadow, line, and text >> o though keep them in each relevant Info section >> o export to rich data types >> o .dot files? >> o Visio (and import?)* >> o simultaneously resize multiple objects* >> o if more than one object is selected, and resize via mouse, >> have option for all object selected to resize (maybe while holding >> shift?) >> o audio feedback for magnets* >> o click when successfully attached to magnet (vs. shape itself) >> o useful for magnets in grouped objects >> _______________________________________________ >> OmniGraffle-Users mailing list >> OmniGraffle-Users@omnigroup.com >> http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnigraffle-users >> > > _______________________________________________ > OmniGraffle-Users mailing list > OmniGraffle-Users@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnigraffle-users From bobsavage at mac.com Tue Jan 29 12:37:00 2002 From: bobsavage at mac.com (Bob Savage) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:08 2007 Subject: suggestions for new features In-Reply-To: <200201292009.g0TK9Ew14182@lists.omnigroup.com> Message-ID: > ability to control the offset of shadows Yes, this is something I would like to see as well. Bob From hkaufman at mindspring.com Tue Jan 29 12:53:01 2002 From: hkaufman at mindspring.com (Howard Kaufman) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:08 2007 Subject: OmniGraffle-Users digest, Vol 1 #34 - 5 msgs In-Reply-To: <200201292009.g0TK9Ew14182@lists.omnigroup.com> Message-ID: Yes, I'd place Visio compatibility very high on my wish list! Howard Kaufman From cjanderson at wi.rr.com Thu Jan 31 02:47:00 2002 From: cjanderson at wi.rr.com (Christian Jon Anderson) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:08 2007 Subject: Feature Request In-Reply-To: <200201310816.g0V8GsS09270@lists.omnigroup.com> Message-ID: Another Vote for Visio compatibility! From jtyzack at mac.com Thu Jan 31 06:42:00 2002 From: jtyzack at mac.com (Jonathan Tyzack) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:08 2007 Subject: feature requests In-Reply-To: <200201310816.g0V8GsS09270@lists.omnigroup.com> References: <200201310816.g0V8GsS09270@lists.omnigroup.com> Message-ID: Sorry, I forget who supplied the html list the other day, but all sounded very reasonable if possible to code in at some point. I'd also like the ability to control shadows and I'd like it if there was a GUI tool to do this such as a lightbulb pointer which you could move around the screen to increase/decrease the intensity and angle of shadows in a consistent manner (i.e. all shadowed objects are affected at once from the same point source of "light"). Something I haven't mentioned in feedback before but I have found slightly irritating from the first time I tried OG is the insert text tool - why do the grey handles always default to being so far from the actual text (in most cases way off the actual page itself so whenever you insert text the page jumps to the left or right to accomodate the handles)? Couldn't you make it the default that the 'box' auto-tightfits the text? Cheers, Jonathan >Message: 1 >Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 14:32:36 -0600 >Subject: suggestions for new features >From: Bob Savage >To: > > >> ability to control the offset of shadows > >Yes, this is something I would like to see as well. > >Bob From crasmen at magic.fr Thu Jan 31 07:12:05 2002 From: crasmen at magic.fr (Corentin =?iso-8859-1?Q?Cras=2DM=E9neur?=) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:08 2007 Subject: OG 2.0b7 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.omnigroup.com/applications/omnigraffle/download-beta/ It says it all?? Corentin From wiley+graffle at hodgesfamily.com Thu Jan 31 07:16:19 2002 From: wiley+graffle at hodgesfamily.com (Wiley Hodges) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:08 2007 Subject: feature requests Message-ID: <180C3B70-165D-11D6-B6E1-0003935A4EA2@hodgesfamily.com> Sorry to pile on, Kevin :-) While I think that Visio compatibility would be neat, I have to admit that I suspect it's a feature that's really expensive to engineer, and doesn't give us one whit of additional usability. I would really like if I could paste vector images into PowerPoint in Office V.x. Today, all of my images come in as bitmap which defeats the purpose of making beautiful diagrams in Graffle. Admittedly the problem here is that PowerPoint doesn't accept PDF pasteboards, but there must be some vector format that it does accept, right? Rather than Visio compatibility, what about saving as WMF? I'm pretty sure that there are libraries out there already that can help with that, and it would go a long way toward document interchange w/ PC users. Best, --Wiley From hkaufman at mindspring.com Thu Jan 31 07:16:29 2002 From: hkaufman at mindspring.com (Howard Kaufman) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:08 2007 Subject: New beta Message-ID: <2974F87C-165D-11D6-9291-00306570F2FC@mindspring.com> Thanks for the great new beta with a lot of good stuff. Too bad thought the one thing I really needed fixed isn't: when dragging lines it still snaps 1 pixel off grid as well as right on grid. Oh well, I'm sure next time....... Howard Kaufman From hkaufman at mindspring.com Thu Jan 31 07:17:01 2002 From: hkaufman at mindspring.com (Howard Kaufman) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:08 2007 Subject: egg on face Message-ID: <86FEF61A-165D-11D6-9291-00306570F2FC@mindspring.com> Oh well, I'm in the twilight zone. I was so sure I opened and checked the new beta, but in fact I was still in beta 6 when I reported that dragging lines to grid was still broken. Can you ever forgive me? So as they say, never mind! And thanks! Howard Kaufman From speirsfr at dcs.gla.ac.uk Thu Jan 31 07:38:00 2002 From: speirsfr at dcs.gla.ac.uk (Fraser Speirs) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:08 2007 Subject: Presentation Mode Message-ID: <5A8E8092-1660-11D6-AC66-003065B62814@dcs.gla.ac.uk> Here's a suggestion I just sent as feedback: --------------------------- For those of us that don't want to spend $500 on Office just to get PowerPoint, OmniGraffle is the perfect thing to build lightweight presentations in. What do I mean by a simple presentation mode? Well, provide a template in the standard aspect ratio of a screen, which people can customise to suit themselves. Provide some support for bulleted lists (somehow connect it with the outlining engine in OmniOutliner or offer live updating of Outliner documents) and provide a full-screen window mode with navigation. Heck, if you had that, you'd already be way beyond the features I regularly use in PowerPoint. --------------------------- What do people think? Personally, I'd *die* for that. Fraser -- Fraser Speirs Department of Computing Science - University of Glasgow Room G161, 17 Lillybank Gardens, Glasgow G12 8QQ t: 0141 339 8855 ext.0917 e: speirsfr@dcs.gla.ac.uk w: www.dcs.gla.ac.uk/~speirsfr From cmittendorf at freenet.de Thu Jan 31 07:45:59 2002 From: cmittendorf at freenet.de (cmittendorf@freenet.de) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:08 2007 Subject: Presentation Mode In-Reply-To: <5A8E8092-1660-11D6-AC66-003065B62814@dcs.gla.ac.uk> Message-ID: <8D824933-1661-11D6-99C9-0030657169EA@freenet.de> On Donnerstag, Januar 31, 2002, at 04:36 Uhr, Fraser Speirs wrote: > Here's a suggestion I just sent as feedback: > > --------------------------- > What do I mean by a simple presentation mode? > --------------------------- > What about generating PDF Files in Screen Layout as a Presentation? Another application, the might be a player that does display these PDF's fullscreen. These "presentations" would even run on any systems that can display PDF :-) Perhaps there is some way to make the slides fade in / fade out or some other nice Quicktime effect? RegardsChristian From manny at omnigroup.com Thu Jan 31 07:55:07 2002 From: manny at omnigroup.com (manny@omnigroup.com) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:08 2007 Subject: OmniGraffle 2.0 Beta v7 Now Available Message-ID: OmniGraffle 2.0 Beta v7 Now Available Seattle, Washington -- January 31, 2002 -- A new Beta of OmniGraffle 2.0 is now available for download. Download the latest release at http://www.omnigroup.com/applications/omnigraffle/ and please send your feedback to omnigraffle@omnigroup.com. OmniGraffle 2.0 Beta v7 includes improvements on stability, some bug fixes, and numerous tweaks. Check out the totally cool and improved AppleScript support that goes beyond just mere AppleScript support (we'll have a fancy marketing term for it when we come up with one). See the release notes below. Information about OmniGraffle 2.0 Beta: New features to version 2.0 Beta include AppleScript support, URL links to graphics, layer support, cool new tools, shape enhancements, line ending enhancements, export to HTML, grid enhancements, auto layout improvements, a magnet editor, and OmniOutliner import preferences. Remember that full, licensed versions of OmniGraffle and OmniOutliner are now shipping with new Power Mac G4s and Titanium Powerbook G4s. OmniGraffle 2.0 Beta requires Mac OS X 10.1 Pricing information and availability: A free limited version of OmniGraffle is available for download at http://www.omnigroup.com/applications/omnigraffle/. OmniGraffle can be purchased from Omni's online store http://store.omnigroup.com for $59.95 (check out our new boxes! -- $64.95 for a boxed OmniGraffle and you get a manual that is actually fun to read). Education discounts are available and customers who purchase or have purchased any version of OmniGraffle 1.x will receive a free upgrade to OmniGraffle 2.0. Also, be sure to sign up on our OmniGraffle-Users mailing list to share your favorite Graffle's! Information about The Omni Group: The Omni Group, founded in 1993, develops Mac OS X applications including OmniWeb, OmniGraffle, and OmniOutliner; provides Mac OS X based consulting services such as porting games to Mac OS X; and employs 20 unique individuals who all agree that Kevin Bacon is the center of the universe. Information on The Omni Group is available at http://www.omnigroup.com/. Release Notes 2.0v7 - Stability - Crash Catcher was reporting a "End of Script" error. - We were getting a crash whenever the line spacing well on the ruler was clicked. - Using the Apply button on the color panel was locking up the app. - There was a crash related to making font and color changes. The crash was usually delayed, making it a little harder to track down. This should be fixed now. - Features, fixes and minor tweaks - More AppleScript support - AppleScripts can be configured on the toolbar, complete with custom icons. - AppleScripts can be attached to individual graphics. - "Edit->Copy As->AppleScript" copies the current selection as AppleScript source. - Added extended text support. - Added more ERD and IA line endings, and modified the IA palette. - The Size Info pane can be used to set the dimensions of lines that are not connected to anything. - Added preferences for newline insertion, label creation, and line creation. - Added right-to-left and bottom-to-top hierarchical layout. - Added Bigger and Smaller menu items to the Font menu. - Added an opacity slider for images. - Made shadows draw lighter if the fill color was partially transparent. - Transparency in text is preserved when saved. - Groups can now have magnets and you can set whether connections should be made to the group, or its components. The control for this is on the Magnets Info pane. - Project Builder/Framework Imports look a lot nicer, and there are preferences for whether to show categories, protocols, and/or classes outside of the project/framework. - Added options for ordering of children during hierarchical layout and fixed it so that we were no longer reversing the order of topics when importing outlines. - "Make Natural Size" and "Size To Fit Image" were not working. - Made the shapes on the shape inspector larger and less blurry. - Free text was jumping around to much when moved. - Fixed a bug where the points of lines were getting off grid when moving several graphics and lines at the same time. - Also, horizontal and vertical lines were getting one pixel off grid when moved. - The url and script fields on the link inspector get cleared when no graphics with links are selected. - When dragging from a zoomed canvas into another app, we were dropping unzoomed, when we should have been maintaining the original scale. - Fixed the bug where text was shifting slightly after editing. - If there is a locked graphic with a link on a palette, then clicking on the graphic will follow the link. (the Garrett IA palette has an example of this) - We beep if we go to open a url and it fails. - Graphics were getting highlighted during line creation even if connections were not allowed. - Change the highlighting of lines to make it more clear when a connection to a line will snap to a point, and when it will add a point. - There was a sporadic bug with the export pane where it wouldn't let you change the file type. Rewrote the code that handles this. Please send feedback if you are still seeing the problem. - UML class graphics were not displaying there text until moved, and were not rotating correctly. - Add the missing "Links" menu item to the "Tools > Info Panes" menu. Press Link: http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/archive/omninews/2002/000089.html Press Contact: Manny Chao Omni Group Marketing 206-523-4152 ext. 290 206-523-5896 fax manny@omnigroup.com From bdarcus at mac.com Thu Jan 31 08:04:00 2002 From: bdarcus at mac.com (Bruce D'Arcus) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:08 2007 Subject: Presentation Mode In-Reply-To: <5A8E8092-1660-11D6-AC66-003065B62814@dcs.gla.ac.uk> Message-ID: Rather than adding a presentation mode, I think--as I've told Omni--that they should just write a separate presentation app that brings together some of the code in Outliner and Graffle, and would allow seamless interaction between the apps. Using PDF as an export format would be a good thing (doesn't PDF have transition effects?), and SVG and/or Flash for a more web-oriented option... Bruce From tthomas at monarch.net Thu Jan 31 08:06:06 2002 From: tthomas at monarch.net (Todd Thomas) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:09 2007 Subject: a suggestion for a future release Message-ID: <35C476E6-1664-11D6-ABAE-000502DFE3F5@monarch.net> For us Applescripters it'd be cool if OG would import an app's applescript dictionary much like it does a project builder pbxproj file? The diagram could include the class hierarchy along with the properties for each class. I was just looking through OG's applescript dictionary thinking I should create a OG diagram of it. Has anyone already done that? todd --- Todd Thomas tthomas@monarch.net rt_thomas@yahoo.com From tthomas at monarch.net Thu Jan 31 08:19:00 2002 From: tthomas at monarch.net (Todd Thomas) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:09 2007 Subject: Presentation Mode In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <06ECF2E9-1666-11D6-ABAE-000502DFE3F5@monarch.net> Didn't Aaron of the Big Nerd Ranch write a Presentation tool? Perhaps it'd work. http://www.bignerdranch.com/Resources/ todd On Thursday, January 31, 2002, at 09:01 AM, Bruce D'Arcus wrote: > > Rather than adding a presentation mode, I think--as I've told > Omni--that they should just write a separate presentation app that > brings together some of the code in Outliner and Graffle, and would > allow seamless interaction between the apps. > > Using PDF as an export format would be a good thing (doesn't PDF have > transition effects?), and SVG and/or Flash for a more web-oriented > option... > > Bruce > > _______________________________________________ > OmniGraffle-Users mailing list > OmniGraffle-Users@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/omnigraffle-users > From bdarcus at mac.com Thu Jan 31 08:33:01 2002 From: bdarcus at mac.com (Bruce D'Arcus) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:09 2007 Subject: Presentation Mode In-Reply-To: <06ECF2E9-1666-11D6-ABAE-000502DFE3F5@monarch.net> Message-ID: On Thursday, January 31, 2002, at 11:17 AM, Todd Thomas wrote: > Didn't Aaron of the Big Nerd Ranch write a Presentation tool? Perhaps > it'd work. > http://www.bignerdranch.com/Resources/ > > todd Yes, but it's not even close to sufficient, as I'm sure he'd admit. You have to write XML code to get it to display, and there are no transition effects, graphics, etc. Imagine, on the other hand, the editing capabilities of OO, plus the graphics capabilities of OG! I already use PowerPoint; I want something better! Bruce From speirsfr at dcs.gla.ac.uk Thu Jan 31 08:53:01 2002 From: speirsfr at dcs.gla.ac.uk (Fraser Speirs) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:09 2007 Subject: Presentation Mode In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thursday, January 31, 2002, at 04:01 PM, Bruce D'Arcus wrote: > Rather than adding a presentation mode, I think--as I've told > Omni--that they should just write a separate presentation app that > brings together some of the code in Outliner and Graffle, and would > allow seamless interaction between the apps. If Omni could get Graffle and Outliner to talk to each other live, I bet it would be a whole lot less work to add the fullscreen feature to Graffle than to start writing another app. Writing another app has some pretty significant overhead: licensing, distribution, managing feedback, tech support, mailing lists etc. Then there's the issue of keeping OmniPresenter's capability compatible and on a par with both Outliner and Graffle. I'd rather have it all in one app! Fraser -- Fraser Speirs Department of Computing Science - University of Glasgow Room G161, 17 Lillybank Gardens, Glasgow G12 8QQ t: 0141 339 8855 ext.0917 e: speirsfr@dcs.gla.ac.uk w: www.dcs.gla.ac.uk/~speirsfr From markds at mac.com Thu Jan 31 09:26:01 2002 From: markds at mac.com (mark d smith) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:09 2007 Subject: Presentation Mode [->OT] In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > On Thursday, January 31, 2002, at 11:17 AM, Todd Thomas wrote: > >> Didn't Aaron of the Big Nerd Ranch write a Presentation tool? >> Perhaps it'd work. http://www.bignerdranch.com/Resources/ >> >> todd Bruce replied: > Yes, but it's not even close to sufficient, as I'm sure he'd admit. > You have to write XML code to get it to display, and there are no > transition effects, graphics, etc. Imagine, on the other hand, the > editing capabilities of OO, plus the graphics capabilities of OG! I > already use PowerPoint; I want something better! OK, on transition effects you have a point but are they necessary ? For me they are not. I like BigShow (Aaron's program) a lot and have used it for all my presentations since moving to OS X. The XML you need for BigShow can be learnt in 30 minutes even if you don't have any previous knowledge of HTML or XML or even markup in general. With what other tool can you simply type text into an editor with one or two escape sequences and (providing you can remember the names and locations of your graphics) end up with a top notch presentation that is: - clean - scalable - fast and - devoid of all the tell-tale powerpoint trademarks that make one look like an insurance salesman It really does display and combine beautiful antialiased text and pdf (or other) graphics with minimal fuss. I suppose it wouldn't take much to enable it to display QuickTime movies too. What more could you want ?.. ...yes I know, a way for BigShow (or another presentation app), OO and OG to work together. If Omni and Aaron got together on this I am sure we could soon have a program built on top of the BigShow framework(s) that worked something like UPresent but with the usual Omni magic. Now I'd buy that. Twice. Maybe now that Aaron has finished his excellent Cocoa book, he might be thinking about doing a bit more on BigShow. mark. From jaharmi at mac.com Thu Jan 31 09:45:00 2002 From: jaharmi at mac.com (Jeremy Reichman) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:09 2007 Subject: Presentation Mode In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <28EEA778-1672-11D6-A421-003065CC6430@mac.com> Um ... OmniGraffle can already export to PDF, and the Adobe Acrobat Reader (v5) included with Mac OS X 10.1 and later can display in a 'presentation mode.' (It's in the 'View' menu, first item, 'Full screen'.) In that mode, you can use Acrobat as a presentation tool, and it responds to most of the same keyboard navigation commands that PowerPoint does. I haven't actually *done* this in years, but I recall doing it with Acrobat Reader 2 or something in college. I've also done the same thing with the QuickTime Player (n?e MoviePlayer) before Apple started charging for the Pro version. You need the Pro version of QTP to do fullscreen playback -- and it also responds to keyboard commands. That said, I would see value in a separate application that links the outlining power of OmniOutliner (and live links to OO outlines!) with the drawing power of Graffle. But I also see value in Graffle becoming more like both Visio (which I've never used, but all the Windows folk at work tout it) and Macromedia Fireworks (which I use and love, but is not native on OS X yet). Still, work gives me a copy of PowerPoint v.X, so I'd have a tough time justifying this hypothetical app on my own. (Has anyone seen what Microsoft's volume licensing deals for edu's look like? Don't even try to compete ...) Now if that hypothetical 'presentation' program let me do cool slideshows (think iPhoto, but forget that app's abysmal export functions) and export them to PDF and/or QuickTime natively, and get transitions (like low-bandwidth-friendly native QT crossfades) then I'd perk up a bit. :) There aren't many apps that do that, and they all seem to be named "LiveSlideShow." -- Jeremy Reichman From crasmen at magic.fr Thu Jan 31 10:00:02 2002 From: crasmen at magic.fr (Corentin =?iso-8859-1?Q?Cras=2DM=E9neur?=) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:09 2007 Subject: OmniGraffle 2.0 Beta v7 Now Available In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 7:53 -0800 31/01/02, manny@omnigroup.com wrote: >Information about OmniGraffle 2.0 Beta: > >New features to version 2.0 Beta include AppleScript support, Great! > URL links to graphics Nice! I'll have to check that. It may even allow "subscribing" to graphics. >, layer support, Great! (again) > cool new tools, shape enhancements, line ending enhancements, >export to HTML, grid enhancements, auto layout improvements, a >magnet editor, and OmniOutliner import preferences. These are really grrreeaaat improvements. >Remember that full, licensed versions of OmniGraffle and >OmniOutliner are now shipping with new Power Mac G4s and Titanium >Powerbook G4s. I got a licence right before this information was available to the public :-> (anyway, I wasn't about to buy a new manchine, so???). Corentin From bdarcus at mac.com Thu Jan 31 10:50:02 2002 From: bdarcus at mac.com (Bruce D'Arcus) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:09 2007 Subject: Appplescript? (OmniGraffle 2.0 Beta v7 Now Available) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 1/31/02 10:53 AM, "manny@omnigroup.com" wrote: > - More AppleScript support > - AppleScripts can be configured on the toolbar, complete with > custom icons. > - AppleScripts can be attached to individual graphics. > - "Edit->Copy As->AppleScript" copies the current selection as > AppleScript source. I know enough about Applescript to have a sense that this new functionality could be very useful, but not enough to know *how.* Can someone enlighten me? I'm not an engineer or software developer (for whom I've gathered AS support could be very useful); just an academic.... Bruce From john at oram.com Thu Jan 31 11:12:01 2002 From: john at oram.com (John Oram) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:09 2007 Subject: contrasting shadows for text Message-ID: hey- Is there any way to add drop shadows to text? As far as I can tell shadows apply only to objects, not text. I'd like something contrasting, like you see when you roll over the icon of an app in the Dock. I can hack drop shadows now by replicating the text and making it white and moving it behind, and down and over a pixel, and grouping it. Needless to say, this is a little time-confusing... -John From greg at omnigroup.com Thu Jan 31 13:07:40 2002 From: greg at omnigroup.com (Greg Titus) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:09 2007 Subject: a suggestion for a future release In-Reply-To: <35C476E6-1664-11D6-ABAE-000502DFE3F5@monarch.net> Message-ID: <6BFCA4E2-168E-11D6-98AD-003065B22C50@omnigroup.com> On Thursday, January 31, 2002, at 08:04 AM, Todd Thomas wrote: > > For us Applescripters it'd be cool if OG would import an app's > applescript dictionary much like it does a project builder pbxproj > file? The diagram could include the class hierarchy along with the > properties for each class. I was just looking through OG's applescript > dictionary thinking I should create a OG diagram of it. Has anyone > already done that? > Not yet, but that's a great idea. Here's a quick overview: The basic class of object in Graffle is a "graphic". It has position properties like center, origin,size, and layer. It has line drawing properties like draws on/off, color, thickness, pattern. It has shadow properties like on/off and color. And it has some other random properties like grid alignment, lock, and URL. There are three main types of "graphic": lines, groups, and solids. Lines have source and destination graphics, line ending types and scales, and has the points on the line as elements. Groups simply have the graphics they contain as elements. Solids are a general term for both shapes and polygons. Solids have text properties like autosizing, placement, text contents, and fill properties like color and gradients. In addition, polygons have point elements and shapes have a shape name property. You can ask a document for its graphics, or for subsets of those graphics by asking for lines, solids, groups, shapes, or polygons. A document also have layers. Each layer has the same set of elements as the overall document does, so you can get the lines, solids, et cetera on a particular layer as well. Hope this helps, --Greg From greg at omnigroup.com Thu Jan 31 13:44:02 2002 From: greg at omnigroup.com (Greg Titus) Date: Fri May 25 12:40:09 2007 Subject: Applescript? (OmniGraffle 2.0 Beta v7 Now Available) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <9A7C47B8-1693-11D6-98AD-003065B22C50@omnigroup.com> On Thursday, January 31, 2002, at 10:49 AM, Bruce D'Arcus wrote: > > I know enough about Applescript to have a sense that this new > functionality > could be very useful, but not enough to know *how.* Can someone > enlighten > me? Basically AppleScript can perform any combination of actions on a document that you can (if we've provided all of that functionality in the AppleScript dictionary -- right now we're close, but it's not 100%). AppleScript is great for automating repetitive tasks and for integrating separate applications and making them work together. > On 1/31/02 10:53 AM, "manny@omnigroup.com" wrote: >> - More AppleScript support >> - AppleScripts can be configured on the toolbar, complete with >> custom icons. If you make a Library/Application Support/OmniGraffle/Scripts folder and place compiled AppleScripts in that folder, then when you customize the toolbar in OmniGraffle, those scripts will show up in the configure list and you can drag them onto the toolbar and easily invoke them. For the 2.0 final (probably for the next beta if there is one) we will also have a Scripts menu with these scripts as well. At the moment it looks like it is impossible for a Cocoa app to have a "real" Carbon-style scripts menu (with a script icon in the menu bar) but we'll see. (It's a known bug that has been reported to Apple.) >> - AppleScripts can be attached to individual graphics. There's a little AppleScript editor embedded in OmniGraffle now, on the Link Info panel. You can select a graphic and write AppleScript in this editor to attach a script to the shape. Turn on "Show Links" in the Format menu and little script icons appear on the shapes with AppleScripts and little URL 'zaps' appear on shapes with web links. You can click these icons to open the appropriate web page or run the appropriate script. Alternatively, there is now a "Browse Links" drawing mode. Your cursor changes to the "hand" and shapes with active content will highlight as you move over them.