From i.am.list.boy at gmail.com Thu Jan 1 16:24:43 2009 From: i.am.list.boy at gmail.com (list boy) Date: Thu Jan 1 16:24:56 2009 Subject: Blackberry Curve SD Card In-Reply-To: <20081231195736.2C29C966607@forums.omnigroup.com> References: <20081231195736.2C29C966607@forums.omnigroup.com> Message-ID: [chronic problem from day 1] Blackberry SD card won't eject after being plugged in to my 2003 Aluminum Powerbook running 10.4.11 Get the cryptic "disk X" is in use and could not be ejected. I've read that this stubborn, refuse-to-eject issue is not unheard of, and running Spotless often solves the problem. Except this is a DOS formatted disk, so (am I right?) Spotlight would not "hold" onto this disk in any case. Anyone know of a utility that can specify which applications are in use on any given disk? I can't see anything within Activity Viewer. It currently lists Mail Firefox SystemUIServer and Activity Monitor as the active processes that are under my user category. I have reformatted the disk, by mounting it thru an adapter (not thru the phone). Still no dice. On Dec 31, 2008, at 2:57 PM, macosx-talk-request@omnigroup.com wrote: > Send MacOSX-talk mailing list submissions to > macosx-talk@omnigroup.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-talk > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > macosx-talk-request@omnigroup.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > macosx-talk-owner@omnigroup.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of MacOSX-talk digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Java 6 applets in Leopard Safari? (Pertti Ylijukuri) > 2. Re: Java 6 applets in Leopard Safari? (Izidor Jerebic) > 3. Re: Java 6 applets in Leopard Safari? (Pertti Ylijukuri) > 4. Re: Snow Leopard early? (Charles Jacobs) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 01:04:01 -0800 (PST) > From: Pertti Ylijukuri > Subject: Re: Java 6 applets in Leopard Safari? > To: macosx-talk@omnigroup.com > Message-ID: <21228870.post@talk.nabble.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > > Hi Izidor! > > I tried same trick, but I can't build MiniBrowser in xcode with 64 > bit? > It show to me three errors Because it using Carboncore. How you > resolved > this? > > > Building target ?MiniBrowser? of project ?MiniBrowser? with > configuration > ?Debug? > > > Checking Dependencies > > Processing > /Users/perttiy/projects/Browser/build/Debug/MiniBrowser.app/ > Contents/Info.plist > Info.plist > mkdir > /Users/perttiy/projects/Browser/build/Debug/MiniBrowser.app/Contents > cd /Users/perttiy/projects/Browser > > /Users/perttiy/projects/Browser/Info.plist -genpkginfo > /Users/perttiy/projects/Browser/build/Debug/MiniBrowser.app/ > Contents/PkgInfo > -expandbuildsettings -o > /Users/perttiy/projects/Browser/build/Debug/MiniBrowser.app/ > Contents/Info.plist > > CpResource > build/Debug/MiniBrowser.app/Contents/Resources/English.lproj/ > MainMenu.nib > English.lproj/MainMenu.nib > mkdir > /Users/perttiy/projects/Browser/build/Debug/MiniBrowser.app/ > Contents/Resources/English.lproj > cd /Users/perttiy/projects/Browser > > /Developer/Library/PrivateFrameworks/DevToolsCore.framework/ > Resources/pbxcp > -exclude .DS_Store -exclude CVS -exclude .svn -resolve-src-symlinks > /Users/perttiy/projects/Browser/English.lproj/MainMenu.nib > /Users/perttiy/projects/Browser/build/Debug/MiniBrowser.app/ > Contents/Resources/English.lproj > > CpResource > build/Debug/MiniBrowser.app/Contents/Resources/English.lproj/ > InfoPlist.strings > English.lproj/InfoPlist.strings > cd /Users/perttiy/projects/Browser > > /Developer/Library/PrivateFrameworks/DevToolsCore.framework/ > Resources/pbxcp > -exclude .DS_Store -exclude CVS -exclude .svn -resolve-src-symlinks > /Users/perttiy/projects/Browser/English.lproj/InfoPlist.strings > /Users/perttiy/projects/Browser/build/Debug/MiniBrowser.app/ > Contents/Resources/English.lproj > > CpResource > build/Debug/MiniBrowser.app/Contents/Resources/English.lproj/ > MyDocument.nib > English.lproj/MyDocument.nib > cd /Users/perttiy/projects/Browser > > /Developer/Library/PrivateFrameworks/DevToolsCore.framework/ > Resources/pbxcp > -exclude .DS_Store -exclude CVS -exclude .svn -resolve-src-symlinks > /Users/perttiy/projects/Browser/English.lproj/MyDocument.nib > /Users/perttiy/projects/Browser/build/Debug/MiniBrowser.app/ > Contents/Resources/English.lproj > > ProcessPCH > /Library/Caches/com.apple.Xcode.501/SharedPrecompiledHeaders/ > MiniBrowser_Prefix-drqdbsqufuraizezavsbmaxodlsu/ > MiniBrowser_Prefix.pch.gch > MiniBrowser_Prefix.pch normal x86_64 objective-c > com.apple.compilers.gcc.4_0 > cd /Users/perttiy/projects/Browser > /Developer/usr/bin/gcc-4.0 -x objective-c-header -arch x86_64 - > pipe > -Wno-trigraphs -fpascal-strings -fasm-blocks -O0 -Wreturn-type > -Wunused-variable -fmessage-length=0 -mfix-and-continue > -mmacosx-version-min=10.4 -gdwarf-2 > -I/Users/perttiy/projects/Browser/build/MiniBrowser.build/Debug/ > MiniBrowser.build/MiniBrowser.hmap > -F/Users/perttiy/projects/Browser/build/Debug > -I/Users/perttiy/projects/Browser/build/Debug/include > -I/Users/perttiy/projects/Browser/build/MiniBrowser.build/Debug/ > MiniBrowser.build/DerivedSources > -isysroot /Developer/SDKs/MacOSX10.4u.sdk -c > /Users/perttiy/projects/Browser/MiniBrowser_Prefix.pch -o > /Library/Caches/com.apple.Xcode.501/SharedPrecompiledHeaders/ > MiniBrowser_Prefix-drqdbsqufuraizezavsbmaxodlsu/ > MiniBrowser_Prefix.pch.gch > :0: warning: Mac OS X version 10.5 or later is needed for > use of > the new objc abi > In file included from > /Developer/SDKs/MacOSX10.4u.sdk/System/Library/Frameworks/ > CoreServices.framework/Frameworks/CarbonCore.framework/Headers/ > DriverServices.h:32, > from > /Developer/SDKs/MacOSX10.4u.sdk/System/Library/Frameworks/ > CoreServices.framework/Frameworks/CarbonCore.framework/Headers/ > CarbonCore.h:125, > from > /Developer/SDKs/MacOSX10.4u.sdk/System/Library/Frameworks/ > CoreServices.framework/Headers/CoreServices.h:24, > from > /Developer/SDKs/MacOSX10.4u.sdk/System/Library/Frameworks/ > ApplicationServices.framework/Headers/ApplicationServices.h:20, > from > /Developer/SDKs/MacOSX10.4u.sdk/System/Library/Frameworks/ > Foundation.framework/Headers/NSAppleEventDescriptor.h:8, > from > /Developer/SDKs/MacOSX10.4u.sdk/System/Library/Frameworks/ > Foundation.framework/Headers/Foundation.h:104, > from > /Developer/SDKs/MacOSX10.4u.sdk/System/Library/Frameworks/ > Cocoa.framework/Headers/Cocoa.h:12, > from > /Users/perttiy/projects/Browser/MiniBrowser_Prefix.pch:6: > /Developer/SDKs/MacOSX10.4u.sdk/System/Library/Frameworks/ > CoreServices.framework/Frameworks/CarbonCore.framework/Headers/ > MachineExceptions.h:286: > error: syntax error before '*' token > /Developer/SDKs/MacOSX10.4u.sdk/System/Library/Frameworks/ > CoreServices.framework/Frameworks/CarbonCore.framework/Headers/ > MachineExceptions.h:320: > error: syntax error before '*' token > In file included from > /Developer/SDKs/MacOSX10.4u.sdk/System/Library/Frameworks/ > CoreServices.framework/Frameworks/CarbonCore.framework/Headers/ > CarbonCore.h:161, > from > /Developer/SDKs/MacOSX10.4u.sdk/System/Library/Frameworks/ > CoreServices.framework/Headers/CoreServices.h:24, > from > /Developer/SDKs/MacOSX10.4u.sdk/System/Library/Frameworks/ > ApplicationServices.framework/Headers/ApplicationServices.h:20, > from > /Developer/SDKs/MacOSX10.4u.sdk/System/Library/Frameworks/ > Foundation.framework/Headers/NSAppleEventDescriptor.h:8, > from > /Developer/SDKs/MacOSX10.4u.sdk/System/Library/Frameworks/ > Foundation.framework/Headers/Foundation.h:104, > from > /Developer/SDKs/MacOSX10.4u.sdk/System/Library/Frameworks/ > Cocoa.framework/Headers/Cocoa.h:12, > from > /Users/perttiy/projects/Browser/MiniBrowser_Prefix.pch:6: > /Developer/SDKs/MacOSX10.4u.sdk/System/Library/Frameworks/ > CoreServices.framework/Frameworks/CarbonCore.framework/Headers/fp.h: > 1338: > error: 'SIGDIGLEN' undeclared here (not in a function) > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Java-6-applets- > in-Leopard-Safari--tp21160457p21228870.html > Sent from the OmniGroup - MacOSX-General mailing list archive at > Nabble.com. > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 11:16:42 +0100 > From: Izidor Jerebic > Subject: Re: Java 6 applets in Leopard Safari? > To: Pertti Ylijukuri > Cc: macosx-talk@omnigroup.com > Message-ID: <66AFF44B-AB87-4940-8FA8-21FE8B0CECC3@gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > Hi, > > you need to build for MacOSX 10.5 (Leopard). The error messages > suggest that you are building for 10.4 (Tiger).... > > I attached an image of my target settings in Xcode: > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: Picture 2.png > Type: image/png > Size: 140934 bytes > Desc: not available > Url : /mailman/archive/macosx-talk/attachments/20081231/e084e7a6/ > Picture2-0001.png > -------------- next part -------------- > > > > izidor > > > On 31.12.2008, at 10:04, Pertti Ylijukuri wrote: > >> >> Hi Izidor! >> >> I tried same trick, but I can't build MiniBrowser in xcode with 64 >> bit? >> It show to me three errors Because it using Carboncore. How you >> resolved >> this? >> >> >> Building target ?MiniBrowser? of project ?MiniBrowser? with >> configuration >> ?Debug? >> >> >> Checking Dependencies >> >> Processing >> /Users/perttiy/projects/Browser/build/Debug/MiniBrowser.app/Contents/ >> Info.plist >> Info.plist >> mkdir >> /Users/perttiy/projects/Browser/build/Debug/MiniBrowser.app/Contents >> cd /Users/perttiy/projects/Browser >> >> /Users/perttiy/projects/Browser/Info.plist -genpkginfo >> /Users/perttiy/projects/Browser/build/Debug/MiniBrowser.app/Contents/ >> PkgInfo >> -expandbuildsettings -o >> /Users/perttiy/projects/Browser/build/Debug/MiniBrowser.app/Contents/ >> Info.plist >> >> CpResource >> build/Debug/MiniBrowser.app/Contents/Resources/English.lproj/ >> MainMenu.nib >> English.lproj/MainMenu.nib >> mkdir >> /Users/perttiy/projects/Browser/build/Debug/MiniBrowser.app/Contents/ >> Resources/English.lproj >> cd /Users/perttiy/projects/Browser >> >> /Developer/Library/PrivateFrameworks/DevToolsCore.framework/ >> Resources/pbxcp >> -exclude .DS_Store -exclude CVS -exclude .svn -resolve-src-symlinks >> /Users/perttiy/projects/Browser/English.lproj/MainMenu.nib >> /Users/perttiy/projects/Browser/build/Debug/MiniBrowser.app/Contents/ >> Resources/English.lproj >> >> CpResource >> build/Debug/MiniBrowser.app/Contents/Resources/English.lproj/ >> InfoPlist.strings >> English.lproj/InfoPlist.strings >> cd /Users/perttiy/projects/Browser >> >> /Developer/Library/PrivateFrameworks/DevToolsCore.framework/ >> Resources/pbxcp >> -exclude .DS_Store -exclude CVS -exclude .svn -resolve-src-symlinks >> /Users/perttiy/projects/Browser/English.lproj/InfoPlist.strings >> /Users/perttiy/projects/Browser/build/Debug/MiniBrowser.app/Contents/ >> Resources/English.lproj >> >> CpResource >> build/Debug/MiniBrowser.app/Contents/Resources/English.lproj/ >> MyDocument.nib >> English.lproj/MyDocument.nib >> cd /Users/perttiy/projects/Browser >> >> /Developer/Library/PrivateFrameworks/DevToolsCore.framework/ >> Resources/pbxcp >> -exclude .DS_Store -exclude CVS -exclude .svn -resolve-src-symlinks >> /Users/perttiy/projects/Browser/English.lproj/MyDocument.nib >> /Users/perttiy/projects/Browser/build/Debug/MiniBrowser.app/Contents/ >> Resources/English.lproj >> >> ProcessPCH >> /Library/Caches/com.apple.Xcode.501/SharedPrecompiledHeaders/ >> MiniBrowser_Prefix-drqdbsqufuraizezavsbmaxodlsu/ >> MiniBrowser_Prefix.pch.gch >> MiniBrowser_Prefix.pch normal x86_64 objective-c >> com.apple.compilers.gcc.4_0 >> cd /Users/perttiy/projects/Browser >> /Developer/usr/bin/gcc-4.0 -x objective-c-header -arch x86_64 - >> pipe >> -Wno-trigraphs -fpascal-strings -fasm-blocks -O0 -Wreturn-type >> -Wunused-variable -fmessage-length=0 -mfix-and-continue >> -mmacosx-version-min=10.4 -gdwarf-2 >> -I/Users/perttiy/projects/Browser/build/MiniBrowser.build/Debug/ >> MiniBrowser.build/MiniBrowser.hmap >> -F/Users/perttiy/projects/Browser/build/Debug >> -I/Users/perttiy/projects/Browser/build/Debug/include >> -I/Users/perttiy/projects/Browser/build/MiniBrowser.build/Debug/ >> MiniBrowser.build/DerivedSources >> -isysroot /Developer/SDKs/MacOSX10.4u.sdk -c >> /Users/perttiy/projects/Browser/MiniBrowser_Prefix.pch -o >> /Library/Caches/com.apple.Xcode.501/SharedPrecompiledHeaders/ >> MiniBrowser_Prefix-drqdbsqufuraizezavsbmaxodlsu/ >> MiniBrowser_Prefix.pch.gch >> :0: warning: Mac OS X version 10.5 or later is needed for >> use of >> the new objc abi >> In file included from >> /Developer/SDKs/MacOSX10.4u.sdk/System/Library/Frameworks/ >> CoreServices.framework/Frameworks/CarbonCore.framework/Headers/ >> DriverServices.h:32, >> from >> /Developer/SDKs/MacOSX10.4u.sdk/System/Library/Frameworks/ >> CoreServices.framework/Frameworks/CarbonCore.framework/Headers/ >> CarbonCore.h:125, >> from >> /Developer/SDKs/MacOSX10.4u.sdk/System/Library/Frameworks/ >> CoreServices.framework/Headers/CoreServices.h:24, >> from >> /Developer/SDKs/MacOSX10.4u.sdk/System/Library/Frameworks/ >> ApplicationServices.framework/Headers/ApplicationServices.h:20, >> from >> /Developer/SDKs/MacOSX10.4u.sdk/System/Library/Frameworks/ >> Foundation.framework/Headers/NSAppleEventDescriptor.h:8, >> from >> /Developer/SDKs/MacOSX10.4u.sdk/System/Library/Frameworks/ >> Foundation.framework/Headers/Foundation.h:104, >> from >> /Developer/SDKs/MacOSX10.4u.sdk/System/Library/Frameworks/ >> Cocoa.framework/Headers/Cocoa.h:12, >> from >> /Users/perttiy/projects/Browser/MiniBrowser_Prefix.pch:6: >> /Developer/SDKs/MacOSX10.4u.sdk/System/Library/Frameworks/ >> CoreServices.framework/Frameworks/CarbonCore.framework/Headers/ >> MachineExceptions.h:286: >> error: syntax error before '*' token >> /Developer/SDKs/MacOSX10.4u.sdk/System/Library/Frameworks/ >> CoreServices.framework/Frameworks/CarbonCore.framework/Headers/ >> MachineExceptions.h:320: >> error: syntax error before '*' token >> In file included from >> /Developer/SDKs/MacOSX10.4u.sdk/System/Library/Frameworks/ >> CoreServices.framework/Frameworks/CarbonCore.framework/Headers/ >> CarbonCore.h:161, >> from >> /Developer/SDKs/MacOSX10.4u.sdk/System/Library/Frameworks/ >> CoreServices.framework/Headers/CoreServices.h:24, >> from >> /Developer/SDKs/MacOSX10.4u.sdk/System/Library/Frameworks/ >> ApplicationServices.framework/Headers/ApplicationServices.h:20, >> from >> /Developer/SDKs/MacOSX10.4u.sdk/System/Library/Frameworks/ >> Foundation.framework/Headers/NSAppleEventDescriptor.h:8, >> from >> /Developer/SDKs/MacOSX10.4u.sdk/System/Library/Frameworks/ >> Foundation.framework/Headers/Foundation.h:104, >> from >> /Developer/SDKs/MacOSX10.4u.sdk/System/Library/Frameworks/ >> Cocoa.framework/Headers/Cocoa.h:12, >> from >> /Users/perttiy/projects/Browser/MiniBrowser_Prefix.pch:6: >> /Developer/SDKs/MacOSX10.4u.sdk/System/Library/Frameworks/ >> CoreServices.framework/Frameworks/CarbonCore.framework/Headers/fp.h: >> 1338: >> error: 'SIGDIGLEN' undeclared here (not in a function) >> >> >> >> -- >> View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Java-6-applets- >> in-Leopard-Safari--tp21160457p21228870.html >> Sent from the OmniGroup - MacOSX-General mailing list archive at >> Nabble.com. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> MacOSX-talk mailing list >> MacOSX-talk@omnigroup.com >> http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-talk > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 17:22:13 +0200 > From: Pertti Ylijukuri > Subject: Re: Java 6 applets in Leopard Safari? > To: Izidor Jerebic > Cc: macosx-talk@omnigroup.com > Message-ID: <194C344B-A1C1-4DEF-A280-37A29795EA14@gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes > > Thanks! > > I changed to using 10.5 sdk and now debug build work, but why I can't > run 64 bit release build. > Only debug build work properly. > > - > pera > > >> >> Hi, >> >> you need to build for MacOSX 10.5 (Leopard). The error messages >> suggest that you are building for 10.4 (Tiger).... >> >> I attached an image of my target settings in Xcode: >> >> >> >> >> izidor >> >> >> On 31.12.2008, at 10:04, Pertti Ylijukuri wrote: > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 10:42:13 -0800 > From: Charles Jacobs > Subject: Re: Snow Leopard early? > To: "macosx-talk@omnigroup.com" > Message-ID: <116586215540027396913411176651531572771-Webmail@me.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > On Tuesday, December 30, 2008, at 04:01AM, "LuKreme" > wrote: >> On Dec 29, 2008, at 21:38, Michael Brian Bentley >> wrote: >> >>> What makes it "early" if released in Q1? >> >> It was not expected to be released until the summer. >> > > Although, come to think of it, summer would be a odd time to > release an OS called Snow Leopard... > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-talk mailing list > MacOSX-talk@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-talk > > > End of MacOSX-talk Digest, Vol 43, Issue 18 > ******************************************* -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /mailman/archive/macosx-talk/attachments/20090101/9e08cc74/attachment.html From jearle at gmail.com Thu Jan 1 16:42:51 2009 From: jearle at gmail.com (Jared Earle) Date: Thu Jan 1 16:42:55 2009 Subject: Blackberry Curve SD Card In-Reply-To: References: <20081231195736.2C29C966607@forums.omnigroup.com> Message-ID: <5bbc0cd60901011642w761a52cdtc188622f69438c49@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Jan 2, 2009 at 12:24 AM, list boy wrote: > Anyone know of a utility that can specify which applications are in use on > any given disk? $ man lsof -- Jared Earle :: There is no SPORK jearle@gmail.com :: http://jearle.eu Hosting :: http://cat5.org Blog :: http://blog.23x.net From i.am.list.boy at gmail.com Thu Jan 1 17:45:02 2009 From: i.am.list.boy at gmail.com (list boy) Date: Thu Jan 1 17:45:13 2009 Subject: Blackberry Curve SD Card In-Reply-To: <5bbc0cd60901011642w761a52cdtc188622f69438c49@mail.gmail.com> References: <20081231195736.2C29C966607@forums.omnigroup.com> <5bbc0cd60901011642w761a52cdtc188622f69438c49@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Got an answer; this applescript: http://www.macosxhints.com/article.php? story=20080518161338583&query=disk%2Bis%2Bin%2Buse%2Band%2Bcould%2Bnot %2Bbe%2Bejected will do the trick, and it works in Tiger too. ^I think the secret to solving any Mac related problem is to a) search the net if that doesn't work, b) post the question on this list c) repeat a, and this time it will work From mgrant at gmail.com Sat Jan 3 10:00:53 2009 From: mgrant at gmail.com (Michael Grant) Date: Sat Jan 3 10:00:55 2009 Subject: Export/import Amazon wishlist? Message-ID: This may be slightly off-topic, but I don't know where else to ask. Other than just copy-paste or downloading the HTML pages, does anyone know if there is a way to download and import an Amazon wish list? (And how about uploading items?) Thanks in advance, Michael -- You have to be happy with what you have to be happy with what you have to be happy with. From rblove_lists at comcast.net Sat Jan 3 10:41:25 2009 From: rblove_lists at comcast.net (Robert Love) Date: Sat Jan 3 10:41:31 2009 Subject: Export/import Amazon wishlist? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <36DC0098-C5AA-45FE-B788-D27AD9C92981@comcast.net> There is an Applescript that iterates over your addressbook and if the person has a wish list asks if you want to see it. Not exactly what you're looking for but fun or expensive if you're generous. On Jan 3, 2009, at 12:00 PM, Michael Grant wrote: > This may be slightly off-topic, but I don't know where else to ask. > Other than just copy-paste or downloading the HTML pages, does anyone > know if there is a way to download and import an Amazon wish list? > (And how about uploading items?) > > Thanks in advance, > Michael > > > -- > You have to be happy with what you have to be happy with what you have > to be happy with. > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-talk mailing list > MacOSX-talk@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-talk From scott at cocoadoc.com Sat Jan 3 13:41:31 2009 From: scott at cocoadoc.com (Scott Anguish) Date: Sat Jan 3 13:41:35 2009 Subject: Export/import Amazon wishlist? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: this would be a great feature for Delicious Library.. that way you could give them the referral fees. On 3-Jan-09, at 1:00 PM, Michael Grant wrote: > This may be slightly off-topic, but I don't know where else to ask. > Other than just copy-paste or downloading the HTML pages, does anyone > know if there is a way to download and import an Amazon wish list? > (And how about uploading items?) > > Thanks in advance, > Michael > > > -- > You have to be happy with what you have to be happy with what you have > to be happy with. > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-talk mailing list > MacOSX-talk@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-talk From mailinglists at jasonandannette.us Sat Jan 3 14:56:15 2009 From: mailinglists at jasonandannette.us (J. Todd Slack-Moehrle) Date: Sat Jan 3 14:56:19 2009 Subject: Mac Pro Leopard Server or Leopard Client Message-ID: <436B3E09-69F8-4465-9A5C-BFF0E4897AF4@jasonandannette.us> Hi All, I have a new Mac Pro that I am going to be using for web hosting, Eudora Mail Server, Cold Fusion, MySQL, etc. I have 16gb RAM in it. I am questioning if I should go with Leopard Server on it or keep it the client version that came installed. I have a mac mini doing this task now with Leopard client and it seems fine. Just upgrading for more performance. Benefits to Leopard Server? I heard that there are MySQL default install issues with Leopard Server. True? Also, last night, when i was half asleep I reloaded this Mac Pro with my NEW mac mini restore media. Seems fine, but noticed the mistake this morning. If I stay Leopard Client should I reinstall with the Mac Pro media? Or am I OK with the media I used (I just boguht this mini a few weeks ago.) Any thoughts? Thanks! -Jason From mrhatken at mac.com Sat Jan 3 17:44:02 2009 From: mrhatken at mac.com (Ashley Aitken) Date: Sat Jan 3 17:44:24 2009 Subject: Mac Pro Leopard Server or Leopard Client In-Reply-To: <436B3E09-69F8-4465-9A5C-BFF0E4897AF4@jasonandannette.us> References: <436B3E09-69F8-4465-9A5C-BFF0E4897AF4@jasonandannette.us> Message-ID: <4CA37481-3ADC-4AC0-A25D-6A8639045825@mac.com> Hi Jason (et al.), Like most things, it depends. If you are going to use many of the services Leopard provides then I think it is a good solution, not perfect by a long shot (take things slow, backup frequently, especially the Open Directory, and be prepared for some problems). If, however, you are going to only use a few services, not specific to OS X Server, e.g. Eudora Mail Server, Cold Fusion, then you can get away with OS X Client, and the command line without too many problems. Personally, I think OS X Server is great and I use it to as a learning platform, to learn about all the technologies it offers in a somewhat controlled environment. There are a lot of great things (like the Wikis, Podcaster, ...). But then my needs are not high volume production etc. Cheers, Ashley. PS The MySQL version installed with Leopard Server is often (obviously) not the latest (and Apple don't update often). If you do an upgrade yourself, you may get problems with the OS X Admin tools. > Hi All, > > I have a new Mac Pro that I am going to be using for web hosting, > Eudora Mail Server, Cold Fusion, MySQL, etc. I have 16gb RAM in it. > > I am questioning if I should go with Leopard Server on it or keep it > the client version that came installed. I have a mac mini doing this > task now with Leopard client and it seems fine. Just upgrading for > more performance. > > Benefits to Leopard Server? > > I heard that there are MySQL default install issues with Leopard > Server. True? > > Also, last night, when i was half asleep I reloaded this Mac Pro > with my NEW mac mini restore media. Seems fine, but noticed the > mistake this morning. If I stay Leopard Client should I reinstall > with the Mac Pro media? Or am I OK with the media I used (I just > boguht this mini a few weeks ago.) > > Any thoughts? > > Thanks! > -Jason > > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-talk mailing list > MacOSX-talk@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-talk -- Ashley Aitken Perth, Western Australia mrhatken at mac dot com Skype Name: MrHatken (GMT + 8 Hours!) Cheers, Ashley. -- Ashley Aitken Perth, Western Australia Skype/iChat: MrHatken (GMT + 8hrs!) From mailinglists at jasonandannette.us Sat Jan 3 17:45:22 2009 From: mailinglists at jasonandannette.us (J. Todd Slack-Moehrle) Date: Sat Jan 3 17:45:26 2009 Subject: Mac Pro Leopard Server or Leopard Client In-Reply-To: References: <436B3E09-69F8-4465-9A5C-BFF0E4897AF4@jasonandannette.us> Message-ID: Hi Ashley, Thank you for the advice. AFA MySQL, I am fluent where I would not rely on the Admin tools for it anyway. I am using Eudora Mail Server because at one point Apple's Mail Service was not advanced, could not host multiple domains or SMTP or anything. I am not really sure of its state now, actually. EIMS is totally stable and has a long history. I will be using ColdFusion, but funneling it through Apache as I do have PERL, PHP stuff, etc. I installed Leopard Server this afternoon on the Mac Pro and my sites already seem faster (well non CF, I have not installed that yet...) -Jason On Jan 3, 2009, at 5:25 PM, Ashley Aitken wrote: > > Hi Jason (et al.), > > Like most things, it depends. > > If you are going to use many of the services Leopard provides then I > think it is a good solution, not perfect by a long shot (take things > slow, backup frequently, especially the Open Directory, and be > prepared for some problems). > > If, however, you are going to only use a few services, not specific > to OS X Server, e.g. Eudora Mail Server, Cold Fusion, then you can > get away with OS X Client, and the command line without too many > problems. > > Personally, I think OS X Server is great and I use it to as a > learning platform, to learn about all the technologies it offers in > a somewhat controlled environment. There are a lot of great > things (like the Wikis, Podcaster, ...). > > But then my needs are not high volume production etc. > > Cheers, > Ashley. > > PS The MySQL version installed with Leopard Server is often > (obviously) not the latest (and Apple don't update often). If you > do an upgrade yourself, you may get problems with the OS X Admin > tools. > >> Hi All, >> >> I have a new Mac Pro that I am going to be using for web hosting, >> Eudora Mail Server, Cold Fusion, MySQL, etc. I have 16gb RAM in it. >> >> I am questioning if I should go with Leopard Server on it or keep >> it the client version that came installed. I have a mac mini doing >> this task now with Leopard client and it seems fine. Just upgrading >> for more performance. >> >> Benefits to Leopard Server? >> >> I heard that there are MySQL default install issues with Leopard >> Server. True? >> >> Also, last night, when i was half asleep I reloaded this Mac Pro >> with my NEW mac mini restore media. Seems fine, but noticed the >> mistake this morning. If I stay Leopard Client should I reinstall >> with the Mac Pro media? Or am I OK with the media I used (I just >> boguht this mini a few weeks ago.) >> >> Any thoughts? >> >> Thanks! >> -Jason >> >> _______________________________________________ >> MacOSX-talk mailing list >> MacOSX-talk@omnigroup.com >> http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-talk > > > -- > Ashley Aitken > Perth, Western Australia > mrhatken at mac dot com > Skype Name: MrHatken (GMT + 8 Hours!) > > > > > > From bw at his.com Sun Jan 4 08:36:21 2009 From: bw at his.com (Bill Whitacre) Date: Sun Jan 4 08:46:13 2009 Subject: MacWorld/Marriott/Inet connection Message-ID: <1D7CF464-5DC6-4FA0-808D-14E6C6E167D1@his.com> Has anybody had any luck using an Airport on the hotel's wired internet connection in rooms? This is the Marriott right next to Moscone. Or maybe they've improved the connection to in-room wireless in the past 12 months? Thanks. bw --- Bill Whitacre bw@his.com From kremels at kreme.com Tue Jan 6 13:52:06 2009 From: kremels at kreme.com (LuKreme) Date: Tue Jan 6 13:52:10 2009 Subject: Mail and blank mailboxes Message-ID: <186449C3-728B-45A3-9761-93932D6133BB@kreme.com> http://home.kreme.com/mailbox_blanks.png When searching in Mail.app, I get a lot of 'blank' mailboxes. These are always messages taht exist in another mailbox, and the 'blank' one is really not there at all. If I sort by mailbox, all those messages stay right with their partners. The only thing I notice about them is that the seem to increase as the message I am dealing with get older. That is, there are very few from 2008, none from 2009, but a lot from 2007 and earlier. Is there anyway to get rid of these ghost messages? And yes, I have removed the Envelope Index fairly recently. -- These are the thoughts that kept me out of the really good schools. -- George Carlin From aglee at mac.com Tue Jan 6 14:06:09 2009 From: aglee at mac.com (Andy Lee) Date: Tue Jan 6 14:06:31 2009 Subject: Mail and blank mailboxes In-Reply-To: <186449C3-728B-45A3-9761-93932D6133BB@kreme.com> References: <186449C3-728B-45A3-9761-93932D6133BB@kreme.com> Message-ID: <83B805B5-676B-413F-A914-17031F37FFED@mac.com> I just noticed if you select a message in a list of search results, then in the message pane there is a "Show in Mailbox" link. If you click on that you might find where the heck Mail thinks that mailbox is? --Andy On Jan 6, 2009, at 4:52 PM, LuKreme wrote: > http://home.kreme.com/mailbox_blanks.png > > When searching in Mail.app, I get a lot of 'blank' mailboxes. These > are always messages taht exist in another mailbox, and the 'blank' > one is really not there at all. If I sort by mailbox, all those > messages stay right with their partners. > > The only thing I notice about them is that the seem to increase as > the message I am dealing with get older. That is, there are very > few from 2008, none from 2009, but a lot from 2007 and earlier. > > Is there anyway to get rid of these ghost messages? And yes, I have > removed the Envelope Index fairly recently. > > -- > These are the thoughts that kept me out of the really good schools. > -- George Carlin > > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-talk mailing list > MacOSX-talk@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-talk From kremels at kreme.com Tue Jan 6 15:51:59 2009 From: kremels at kreme.com (LuKreme) Date: Tue Jan 6 15:52:01 2009 Subject: Mail and blank mailboxes In-Reply-To: <83B805B5-676B-413F-A914-17031F37FFED@mac.com> References: <186449C3-728B-45A3-9761-93932D6133BB@kreme.com> <83B805B5-676B-413F-A914-17031F37FFED@mac.com> Message-ID: On 6-Jan-2009, at 15:06, Andy Lee wrote: > I just noticed if you select a message in a list of search results, > then in the message pane there is a "Show in Mailbox" link. If you > click on that you might find where the heck Mail thinks that mailbox > is? These ghost messages do not exist. if I click on one, nothing at all is displayed. http://home.kreme.com/blankmessage.png And the "Show in Mailbox" does nothing at all. -- Badges? We ain't got no badges. We don't need no badges. I don't have t show you any stinking badges. From r.o.durrer at durrer.org Thu Jan 8 06:11:51 2009 From: r.o.durrer at durrer.org (Rudolf O. Durrer) Date: Thu Jan 8 06:12:29 2009 Subject: Mail and blank mailboxes In-Reply-To: <186449C3-728B-45A3-9761-93932D6133BB@kreme.com> References: <186449C3-728B-45A3-9761-93932D6133BB@kreme.com> Message-ID: Am 06.01.2009 um 22.52 schrieb LuKreme: > http://home.kreme.com/mailbox_blanks.png > > When searching in Mail.app, I get a lot of 'blank' mailboxes. These > are always messages taht exist in another mailbox, and the 'blank' > one is really not there at all. If I sort by mailbox, all those > messages stay right with their partners. > > The only thing I notice about them is that the seem to increase as > the message I am dealing with get older. That is, there are very > few from 2008, none from 2009, but a lot from 2007 and earlier. > > Is there anyway to get rid of these ghost messages? And yes, I have > removed the Envelope Index fairly recently. Try to remove that thing again. I had the same problem back in 2008 and had then a thread about that here, and the solving hint was closing Mail.app, removing the Envelope Index, and opening mail.app again regards Rudolf From newslists at autonomy.caltech.edu Thu Jan 8 13:22:29 2009 From: newslists at autonomy.caltech.edu (Jonathon Kuo) Date: Thu Jan 8 13:22:31 2009 Subject: CES: So where's Apple's mini notebook? Message-ID: <1EE455AE-6769-412D-B370-B238A1DD1280@autonomy.caltech.edu> This is along the lines of what I'm hoping Apple will come out with: http://www.techtree.com/India/News/CES_2009_Sony_VAIO_P_is_Slim_WVGA_Netbook/551-97523-615.html "Sony went ultraslim in introducing the VAIO P-series at CES Wednesday, a portable netbook that is just slightly bigger than an envelope. Featuring an 8-inch screen with 1,600 x 768 resolution, the VAIO P-series ... comes with 2 GB of RAM and a 1.6GHz CPU. In the interest of making the pocket PC lighter and more portable, Sony has equipped the VAIO P-series with a 128-GB solid state hard drive. Measures just under an inch and weighs 1.4 pounds. Est price: $900." From sglewis at me.com Thu Jan 8 16:02:43 2009 From: sglewis at me.com (Scott Lewis) Date: Thu Jan 8 16:02:59 2009 Subject: CES: So where's Apple's mini notebook? In-Reply-To: <1EE455AE-6769-412D-B370-B238A1DD1280@autonomy.caltech.edu> References: <1EE455AE-6769-412D-B370-B238A1DD1280@autonomy.caltech.edu> Message-ID: On Jan 8, 2009, at 4:22 PM, Jonathon Kuo wrote: > This is along the lines of what I'm hoping Apple will come out with: > > http://www.techtree.com/India/News/CES_2009_Sony_VAIO_P_is_Slim_WVGA_Netbook/551-97523-615.html > > "Sony went ultraslim in introducing the VAIO P-series at CES > Wednesday, a portable netbook that is just slightly bigger than an > envelope. Featuring an 8-inch screen with 1,600 x 768 resolution, > the VAIO P-series ... comes with 2 GB of RAM and a 1.6GHz CPU. In > the interest of making the pocket PC lighter and more portable, Sony > has equipped the VAIO P-series with a 128-GB solid state hard drive. > Measures just under an inch and weighs 1.4 pounds. Est price: $900." That's so close to perfect it's absurd! I assume the 1.6 GHz is an Atom processor, and a 128gb solid state is large enough for sure. Light, cheap, sleek looking... anybody else think 1600x768 is NUTS with an 8 inch screen? I actually bought my wife a NetBook as she was tired of her lunky Acer and uses her laptop for Facebook and work, making a make a bit of overkill. I picked an MSI Wind over the EEE PC over just that - the MSI had a larger screen and therefore an easier to view resolution. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /mailman/archive/macosx-talk/attachments/20090108/dbbf2f29/attachment.html From kremels at kreme.com Thu Jan 8 16:17:45 2009 From: kremels at kreme.com (LuKreme) Date: Thu Jan 8 16:17:47 2009 Subject: CES: So where's Apple's mini notebook? In-Reply-To: <1EE455AE-6769-412D-B370-B238A1DD1280@autonomy.caltech.edu> References: <1EE455AE-6769-412D-B370-B238A1DD1280@autonomy.caltech.edu> Message-ID: On 8-Jan-2009, at 14:22, Jonathon Kuo wrote: > 2 GB of RAM and a 1.6GHz CPU. What kind of CPU though? Not a C2D, I'm sure. > In the interest of making the pocket PC lighter and more portable, > Sony has equipped the VAIO P-series with a 128-GB solid state hard > drive. Measures just under an inch and weighs 1.4 pounds. Est price: > $900." Does Apple even make anything 1" thick anymore? Well, other than the MacPro and the iMac? I have an ultra-slim Apple computer that fits in my shirt pocket and I have a quad-core xeon with 6.3TB of drives attached that sits on my desk and I have a MacBook for the wife. What is this fascination with an under-sized (but too-large) underpowered pseudo-craptop computer? If it's too big to fit in my shirt pocket, then I need a bag for it anyway -- might as well have something that is actually capable of doing real work on. And really, anyone for whom carrying 3lbs is an issue has far more problems than can be solved with a 1.5lb pseudo-computer. The "NetBook" is the marketing product that fills a truly microscopic niche. -- I don't want to sell anything, buy anything, or process anything as a career. I don't want to sell anything bought or processed, or buy anything sold or processed, or process anything sold, bought, or processed, or repair anything sold, bought, or processed. You know, as a career, I don't want to do that. From newslists at autonomy.caltech.edu Thu Jan 8 16:46:16 2009 From: newslists at autonomy.caltech.edu (Jonathon Kuo) Date: Thu Jan 8 16:46:20 2009 Subject: CES: So where's Apple's mini notebook? In-Reply-To: References: <1EE455AE-6769-412D-B370-B238A1DD1280@autonomy.caltech.edu> Message-ID: On Jan 8, 2009, at 4:17 PM, LuKreme wrote: > > On 8-Jan-2009, at 14:22, Jonathon Kuo wrote: > >> 2 GB of RAM and a 1.6GHz CPU. > > What kind of CPU though? Not a C2D, I'm sure. > >> In the interest of making the pocket PC lighter and more portable, >> Sony has equipped the VAIO P-series with a 128-GB solid state hard >> drive. Measures just under an inch and weighs 1.4 pounds. Est >> price: $900." > > Does Apple even make anything 1" thick anymore? Well, other than > the MacPro and the iMac? > > I have an ultra-slim Apple computer that fits in my shirt pocket and > I have a quad-core xeon with 6.3TB of drives attached that sits on > my desk and I have a MacBook for the wife. What is this fascination > with an under-sized (but too-large) underpowered pseudo-craptop > computer? If it's too big to fit in my shirt pocket, then I need a > bag for it anyway -- might as well have something that is actually > capable of doing real work on. > > And really, anyone for whom carrying 3lbs is an issue has far more > problems than can be solved with a 1.5lb pseudo-computer. > > The "NetBook" is the marketing product that fills a truly > microscopic niche. Really. Which is why Sony came out with it. How did you come to the pronoucement that this "fills a truly microscopic niche", when in fact there are many I know who are clamoring for it? From fusion at mx6.tiki.ne.jp Thu Jan 8 17:06:47 2009 From: fusion at mx6.tiki.ne.jp (Jean-Christophe Helary) Date: Thu Jan 8 17:06:54 2009 Subject: CES: So where's Apple's mini notebook? In-Reply-To: References: <1EE455AE-6769-412D-B370-B238A1DD1280@autonomy.caltech.edu> Message-ID: On vendredi 09 janv. 09, at 09:46, Jonathon Kuo wrote: > Really. Which is why Sony came out with it. How did you come to the > pronoucement that this "fills a truly microscopic niche", when in > fact there are many I know who are clamoring for it? Maybe it is because they have not realized yet they can't make a phone call with it ? I don't see any other reason why one would want to do any work with such a suboptimal machine. Jean-Christophe Helary ------------------------------------ http://mac4translators.blogspot.com/ From mrhatken at mac.com Thu Jan 8 17:11:25 2009 From: mrhatken at mac.com (Ashley Aitken) Date: Thu Jan 8 17:11:54 2009 Subject: CES: So where's Apple's mini notebook? In-Reply-To: References: <1EE455AE-6769-412D-B370-B238A1DD1280@autonomy.caltech.edu> Message-ID: <5DA6AA7D-C1B2-4FE6-9900-D5E929F956C7@mac.com> I assume there are a lot of users who just want to read email and browse the Web on the sofa, and perhaps read or write a Word document once in a while. No photos, no movies, no WoW, no 3D games, ... In this case a MacBook would even be overkill. Whilst this Sony seems great for the mobile professional who needs ultra-small and ultra-light and needs two documents side-by-side, I don't think it is appropriate for the above-mentioned group. As Scott L. mentioned, I think the screen won't be comfortable for browsing for hours, something with a bigger, more readable, single- document screen would best suit the above-mentioned group. The "larger" netbooks would seem to fit that bill. Perhaps when Apple scales the iPhone up to a tablet they'll be able to compete for this group, even provide a better solution (viz ergonomics, ease-of-use). Cheers, Ashley. PS Could traditional (small-size) iPhone apps run in small windows on a larger iPhone? Allowing multiple older apps to run at once, somewhat like widgets (with a close button). Other apps, like Mobile Safari (or whatever it is, or is not called) could probably easily be recompiled to work well with a larger screen). -- Ashley Aitken Perth, Western Australia mrhatken at mac dot com Skype Name: MrHatken (GMT + 8 Hours!) From fusion at mx6.tiki.ne.jp Thu Jan 8 17:25:32 2009 From: fusion at mx6.tiki.ne.jp (Jean-Christophe Helary) Date: Thu Jan 8 17:25:38 2009 Subject: CES: So where's Apple's mini notebook? In-Reply-To: <5DA6AA7D-C1B2-4FE6-9900-D5E929F956C7@mac.com> References: <1EE455AE-6769-412D-B370-B238A1DD1280@autonomy.caltech.edu> <5DA6AA7D-C1B2-4FE6-9900-D5E929F956C7@mac.com> Message-ID: <664D14BF-1C9B-4378-A74E-F38A8C8619D8@mx6.tiki.ne.jp> I may be totally wrong, but it seems to me that before the $100 OLPC hype, there was no question at all about the uselessness of such machines. Or rather their "unmarketableness". The OLPC totally changed the game because it showed that what you describe (and much more) could be done for $100, well, eventually it turned out to be $200 but still. They had made their point loudly enough. But the niche we are talking about is a niche of small but _cheap_ machines. I have an XO and it is fine because I know it costs only $200 (although I paid $400 with the Give One Get One thing). I would certainly never pay more than $200 only to be able to check my mail and see the occasional Word file. On vendredi 09 janv. 09, at 10:11, Ashley Aitken wrote: > I assume there are a lot of users who just want to read email and > browse the Web on the sofa, and perhaps read or write a Word > document once in a while. No photos, no movies, no WoW, no 3D > games, ... Jean-Christophe Helary ------------------------------------ http://mac4translators.blogspot.com/ From wiswp at niue.nu Thu Jan 8 17:37:47 2009 From: wiswp at niue.nu (Bill Wisse) Date: Thu Jan 8 18:01:51 2009 Subject: CES: So where's Apple's mini notebook? In-Reply-To: <664D14BF-1C9B-4378-A74E-F38A8C8619D8@mx6.tiki.ne.jp> References: <1EE455AE-6769-412D-B370-B238A1DD1280@autonomy.caltech.edu> <5DA6AA7D-C1B2-4FE6-9900-D5E929F956C7@mac.com> <664D14BF-1C9B-4378-A74E-F38A8C8619D8@mx6.tiki.ne.jp> Message-ID: <2AA46B84-0FD2-46D5-9639-33D3E9BCF96B@niue.nu> On 8/01/2009, at 2:25 PM, Jean-Christophe Helary wrote: > I may be totally wrong, but it seems to me that before the $100 OLPC > hype, there was no question at all about the uselessness of such > machines. Or rather their "unmarketableness". > > The OLPC totally changed the game because it showed that what you > describe (and much more) could be done for $100, well, eventually it > turned out to be $200 but still. They had made their point loudly > enough. > > But the niche we are talking about is a niche of small but _cheap_ > machines. I have an XO and it is fine because I know it costs only > $200 (although I paid $400 with the Give One Get One thing). I would > certainly never pay more than $200 only to be able to check my mail > and see the occasional Word file. Late last year our Island was the first country in the world where the school kids were supplied by an OLPC. ( about 500). It's amazing what you can do with it but even more amazing is that the OLPC is used mainly for connecting to BeBo. Greetings from /bill at 169 west , 19 south. Disclaimer: Any errors in spelling, tact, or fact are transmission errors From bentley at crenelle.com Fri Jan 9 00:01:05 2009 From: bentley at crenelle.com (Michael Brian Bentley) Date: Fri Jan 9 00:01:12 2009 Subject: CES: So where's Apple's mini notebook? In-Reply-To: References: <1EE455AE-6769-412D-B370-B238A1DD1280@autonomy.caltech.edu> Message-ID: LuKreme: >If it's too big to fit in my shirt pocket, then I need a bag for it >anyway -- might as well have something that is actually capable of >doing real work on. > >And really, anyone for whom carrying 3lbs is an issue has far more >problems than can be solved with a 1.5lb pseudo-computer. > >The "NetBook" is the marketing product that fills a truly microscopic niche. If Jobs announced one, he'd have a shirt made with a pocket that size. I think I'm personally looking for a better Kindle than a knockout Viao. Many people have forgotten the amazing market strength of a nettop machine that worked without a net: The Radio Shack TRS-80 Model 100. That machine hit a sweet spot and wasn't replaced by any machine anyone can remember. -Mike From kremels at kreme.com Fri Jan 9 04:42:59 2009 From: kremels at kreme.com (LuKreme) Date: Fri Jan 9 04:43:04 2009 Subject: CES: So where's Apple's mini notebook? In-Reply-To: <5DA6AA7D-C1B2-4FE6-9900-D5E929F956C7@mac.com> References: <1EE455AE-6769-412D-B370-B238A1DD1280@autonomy.caltech.edu> <5DA6AA7D-C1B2-4FE6-9900-D5E929F956C7@mac.com> Message-ID: <827AE84D-489F-4FAA-966C-EF73712ACAFE@kreme.com> On 8-Jan-2009, at 18:11, Ashley Aitken wrote: > I assume there are a lot of users who just want to read email and > browse the Web on the sofa, and perhaps read or write a Word > document once in a while. No photos, no movies, no WoW, no 3D > games, ... And want to read on a 8" screen for hours? > In this case a MacBook would even be overkill. A 13.3" Mac book? ABout the same cost as this Sony thing and much more capable and I'd think much more useable. > Whilst this Sony seems great for the mobile professional who needs > ultra-small and ultra-light and needs two documents side-by-side, There's the tiny niche I was talking about. > I don't think it is appropriate for the above-mentioned group. Right. -- These are the thoughts that kept me out of the really good schools. -- George Carlin From sglewis at me.com Fri Jan 9 06:09:41 2009 From: sglewis at me.com (Scott Lewis) Date: Fri Jan 9 06:10:01 2009 Subject: CES: So where's Apple's mini notebook? In-Reply-To: <827AE84D-489F-4FAA-966C-EF73712ACAFE@kreme.com> References: <1EE455AE-6769-412D-B370-B238A1DD1280@autonomy.caltech.edu> <5DA6AA7D-C1B2-4FE6-9900-D5E929F956C7@mac.com> <827AE84D-489F-4FAA-966C-EF73712ACAFE@kreme.com> Message-ID: <07EAE7BE-3766-445E-A093-71591B49B90A@me.com> On Jan 9, 2009, at 7:42 AM, LuKreme wrote: > A 13.3" Mac book? ABout the same cost as this Sony thing and much > more capable and I'd think much more useable. It's just about an entirely different market. I think the Sony won't sell well because it's $900. But the REAL NetBook market is 8 to 10 inch screens, 80 to 160gb hard drives, Intel Atom processors at 1.6 GHz, 1gb ram, 2 to 4 hour batteries and $299 to $399 in price tag. Had that Sony been that sleek and $600 I think it would have opened a few more eyes. I think it's important not to confuse ultralite notebooks (which I consider the Sony to be) with "netbooks". My house has a server, an iMac, a MacBook and a netbook. The netbook absolutely is perfect for what it's used for. Checking email in a hotel when we're trying to travel light and maybe even avoid checking luggage. Checking Facebook from bed. Checking email from the breakfast table. It comes up short just like the MacBook for video editing or game playing - but we don't try to do that from a laptop anyway. Useable (your quote above) in terms of power - sure. In terms of portability - no. >> Whilst this Sony seems great for the mobile professional who needs >> ultra-small and ultra-light and needs two documents side-by-side, > > There's the tiny niche I was talking about. True - an expensive netbook may be a poor market. I was overexcited by the announcement till the $900 sank in. Still, I think the netbook market will segment a bit. The current $200 to $400 market will probably be joined by a $600 market, and yes, I think the $600 netbook will be a better choice for many than a $600 14" Dell notebook. The problem is as Microsoft continues to try and kill XP they will accidentally try to kill the netbook market because of Vista's hardware requirements. Which is exactly why I think there is a market for an Apple netbook in the same way the Mac Mini filled a needed void for many. Look, my AppleTV manages to (barely) play 720p video, so we know they can build a cheap OS X machine. Doesn't have to be $299, but I think an Atom based Mac with a 10" screen, some absurdly huge amount of battery life using the technology in the 17" PB, a 120gb hard drive, and 2gb of RAM for $500 to $700 would likely expand the market share, not torpedo sales of the lowest end MacBooks. Don't forget, outside of people like us in this group, these EeePC and Wind's and OLPCs and other $200 to $400 devices actually serve just fine as primary machines. Heck, we have a proprietary app at work for electronic charts and note taking that we used to deploy on expensive TabletPCs. When we found out that many people were using the keyboards anyway rather than the pen we found out just how great that app works (even with a local SQL server and web server running and our bulky synchronization agent and our encryption software) on a NetBook that we cracked open to expand the memory. Don't you think our users appreciate a $500 bill back rather than a $1500 one? From kremels at kreme.com Fri Jan 9 07:18:09 2009 From: kremels at kreme.com (LuKreme) Date: Fri Jan 9 07:18:11 2009 Subject: CES: So where's Apple's mini notebook? In-Reply-To: <07EAE7BE-3766-445E-A093-71591B49B90A@me.com> References: <1EE455AE-6769-412D-B370-B238A1DD1280@autonomy.caltech.edu> <5DA6AA7D-C1B2-4FE6-9900-D5E929F956C7@mac.com> <827AE84D-489F-4FAA-966C-EF73712ACAFE@kreme.com> <07EAE7BE-3766-445E-A093-71591B49B90A@me.com> Message-ID: <2D6F0A94-223C-4877-AEB3-620A2B32EADF@kreme.com> On 9-Jan-2009, at 07:09, Scott Lewis wrote: > Checking email in a hotel when we're trying to travel light and > maybe even avoid checking luggage. Checking Facebook from bed. > Checking email from the breakfast table. That's what I use my iPod Touch (or an iPhone) for. -- "As God as my witness, I though turkeys could fly," Arthur Carlson, WKRP in Cincinnati From mailist at ericgorr.net Fri Jan 9 07:24:47 2009 From: mailist at ericgorr.net (Eric Gorr) Date: Fri Jan 9 07:24:21 2009 Subject: CES: So where's Apple's mini notebook? In-Reply-To: <2D6F0A94-223C-4877-AEB3-620A2B32EADF@kreme.com> References: <1EE455AE-6769-412D-B370-B238A1DD1280@autonomy.caltech.edu> <5DA6AA7D-C1B2-4FE6-9900-D5E929F956C7@mac.com> <827AE84D-489F-4FAA-966C-EF73712ACAFE@kreme.com> <07EAE7BE-3766-445E-A093-71591B49B90A@me.com> <2D6F0A94-223C-4877-AEB3-620A2B32EADF@kreme.com> Message-ID: On Jan 9, 2009, at 10:18 AM, LuKreme wrote: > On 9-Jan-2009, at 07:09, Scott Lewis wrote: >> Checking email in a hotel when we're trying to travel light and >> maybe even avoid checking luggage. Checking Facebook from bed. >> Checking email from the breakfast table. > > > That's what I use my iPod Touch (or an iPhone) for. Ya, me too. The facebook app on the iPhone is great. From mrhatken at mac.com Fri Jan 9 08:23:35 2009 From: mrhatken at mac.com (Ashley Aitken) Date: Fri Jan 9 08:23:58 2009 Subject: CES: So where's Apple's mini notebook? In-Reply-To: References: <1EE455AE-6769-412D-B370-B238A1DD1280@autonomy.caltech.edu> <5DA6AA7D-C1B2-4FE6-9900-D5E929F956C7@mac.com> <827AE84D-489F-4FAA-966C-EF73712ACAFE@kreme.com> <07EAE7BE-3766-445E-A093-71591B49B90A@me.com> <2D6F0A94-223C-4877-AEB3-620A2B32EADF@kreme.com> Message-ID: <75247D6D-BEF5-4AED-87CC-7076FFA238D0@mac.com> On 10/01/2009, at 12:24 AM, Eric Gorr wrote: > On Jan 9, 2009, at 10:18 AM, LuKreme wrote: > >> On 9-Jan-2009, at 07:09, Scott Lewis wrote: >>> Checking email in a hotel when we're trying to travel light and >>> maybe even avoid checking luggage. Checking Facebook from bed. >>> Checking email from the breakfast table. >> >> >> That's what I use my iPod Touch (or an iPhone) for. > > Ya, me too. Yes, I think an iPhone (iPod Touch) would do for me too (at least until I was going to spend a considerable amount of time on something at which point I'd move to my laptop). But for most people, who don't want to carry their Net access with them, a netbook / iPod or iPhone Tablet is a better solution - cheaper in the first instance and more user-friendly in the second. Cheers, Ashley. -- Ashley Aitken Perth, Western Australia mrhatken at mac dot com Skype Name: MrHatken (GMT + 8 Hours!) From steve at paper-ape.com Fri Jan 9 08:48:56 2009 From: steve at paper-ape.com (steve harley) Date: Fri Jan 9 08:48:59 2009 Subject: CES: So where's Apple's mini notebook? In-Reply-To: <2D6F0A94-223C-4877-AEB3-620A2B32EADF@kreme.com> References: <1EE455AE-6769-412D-B370-B238A1DD1280@autonomy.caltech.edu> <5DA6AA7D-C1B2-4FE6-9900-D5E929F956C7@mac.com> <827AE84D-489F-4FAA-966C-EF73712ACAFE@kreme.com> <07EAE7BE-3766-445E-A093-71591B49B90A@me.com> <2D6F0A94-223C-4877-AEB3-620A2B32EADF@kreme.com> Message-ID: <49677FF8.9000101@paper-ape.com> they whom i call LuKreme wrote: > On 9-Jan-2009, at 07:09, Scott Lewis wrote: >> Checking email in a hotel when we're trying to travel light and maybe >> even avoid checking luggage. Checking Facebook from bed. Checking >> email from the breakfast table. > > > That's what I use my iPod Touch (or an iPhone) for. i have no use for FaceBook, but i try to read email and news on an iPhone, and while i've made a lot of progress, i'm still constantly frustrated and feel that like i have to redefine my activities to fit the limits of tool, which is the opposite of what enabling technology should be a bigger touch would be fascinating, but without true multi-tasking, copy & paste, and generally finer pointing & manipulation controls, i would not be an early adopter; and still i don't think Apple's mobile platform can yet target broad productivity uses i think we can't really predict how the niches will play out; so far i can't see real productivity tools working without a keyboard and mouselike capabilities, but then, the real breakthrough will probably come when we ditch the cumbersome alphabetic method of written language and communicate with clouds of colorful weightless amoeboids, which we can store in small pouches attached to our wrists From gnwiii at gmail.com Fri Jan 9 08:49:09 2009 From: gnwiii at gmail.com (George N. White III) Date: Fri Jan 9 08:49:11 2009 Subject: CES: So where's Apple's mini notebook? In-Reply-To: <1EE455AE-6769-412D-B370-B238A1DD1280@autonomy.caltech.edu> References: <1EE455AE-6769-412D-B370-B238A1DD1280@autonomy.caltech.edu> Message-ID: <22af238a0901090849t2ae83ccdwbd3526e257dfc2b2@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 5:22 PM, Jonathon Kuo wrote: > This is along the lines of what I'm hoping Apple will come out with: > > http://www.techtree.com/India/News/CES_2009_Sony_VAIO_P_is_Slim_WVGA_Netbook/551-97523-615.html > > "Sony went ultraslim in introducing the VAIO P-series at CES Wednesday, a > portable netbook that is just slightly bigger than an envelope. Featuring an > 8-inch screen with 1,600 x 768 resolution, the VAIO P-series ... comes with > 2 GB of RAM and a 1.6GHz CPU. In the interest of making the pocket PC > lighter and more portable, Sony has equipped the VAIO P-series with a 128-GB > solid state hard drive. Measures just under an inch and weighs 1.4 pounds. > Est price: $900." Previous mini-notes have targeted a price-sensitive market niche. Apple likes to have a uniquely superior product that can sell at a nice markup. If Sony sells a lot of P-series units, Apple is likely to take notice, but Apple can likely afford to let Sony take the risks. I think Microsoft has recognized the danger in large numbers of students becoming locked-in to linux after starting out on linux mini-notes, and has reduced OEM costs for XP on mini-notes in an attempt to grab back market share. Apple may be missing a chance to get a block of new users locked-in to MacOSX. -- George N. White III Head of St. Margarets Bay, Nova Scotia From sglewis at me.com Fri Jan 9 08:56:16 2009 From: sglewis at me.com (Scott G. Lewis) Date: Fri Jan 9 08:58:10 2009 Subject: CES: So where's Apple's mini notebook? In-Reply-To: <22af238a0901090849t2ae83ccdwbd3526e257dfc2b2@mail.gmail.com> References: <1EE455AE-6769-412D-B370-B238A1DD1280@autonomy.caltech.edu> <22af238a0901090849t2ae83ccdwbd3526e257dfc2b2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5A22C324-193B-4BEC-8A80-9186F034CF9E@me.com> On Jan 9, 2009, at 11:49 AM, George N. White III wrote: > Previous mini-notes have targeted a price-sensitive market niche. > Apple likes to > have a uniquely superior product that can sell at a nice markup. > If Sony sells > a lot of P-series units, Apple is likely to take notice, but Apple can > likely afford > to let Sony take the risks. I couldn't agree more. Apple's market is not in $299 netbooks anymore than the MacMini is suddenly going to become a $399 special ala Dell. But the MacMini is proof that they understand there is a "lower end" of the market that they can attempt to address. I think at $900 Sony is out of their mind, but to me, I think there's a real market for $600. Dell sells a lot... I mean a LOT of 14" $500 to $700 notebooks with decent specs, but ugly, plastic cases, weak battery life, and relatively heavy. I'd much rather get a souped up netbook at that price point, with a more elegant design, a better battery, but a smaller screen and an Atom processor as a tradeoff. But let's face it, I'd really rather have it run Mac OS X. I'm talking an Intel Atom not a Core 2 Duo, a gig of ram not 2, Intel GMA graphics not discreet video from nVidia non-replaceable battery, an an older generation hard drive of 120gb. Between that, and the savings in a smaller screen (10" to me is ideal, these 8" netbooks are for younger eyes than mine I suppose), they should be able to shave $300 off the white MacBook. Right now at NewEgg, not only is the cheapest Atom half the price of the cheapest Core 2 Duo, it happens to come with a motherboard. > I think Microsoft has recognized the danger in large numbers of > students > becoming locked-in to linux after starting out on linux mini-notes, > and has reduced > OEM costs for XP on mini-notes in an attempt to grab back market > share. Apple > may be missing a chance to get a block of new users locked-in to > MacOSX. I believe I read recently that MS tripled the OEM price of XP - but not for netbook OEM licenses. They realize that the netbook market is growing, and they can't cede it to Linux, nor can a $300 device run Vista Basic even, let alone something with Aero. I also read that they were limited the maximum amount of memory netbook vendors could bundle with those same netbooks. They must be scared to let people be reminded how fast XP can be on a $300 device compared to Vista on a $1000 one. That's the nice thing about Leopard... it's not drastically slower than Tiger. From sglewis at me.com Fri Jan 9 09:01:40 2009 From: sglewis at me.com (Scott G. Lewis) Date: Fri Jan 9 09:03:33 2009 Subject: CES: So where's Apple's mini notebook? In-Reply-To: <49677FF8.9000101@paper-ape.com> References: <1EE455AE-6769-412D-B370-B238A1DD1280@autonomy.caltech.edu> <5DA6AA7D-C1B2-4FE6-9900-D5E929F956C7@mac.com> <827AE84D-489F-4FAA-966C-EF73712ACAFE@kreme.com> <07EAE7BE-3766-445E-A093-71591B49B90A@me.com> <2D6F0A94-223C-4877-AEB3-620A2B32EADF@kreme.com> <49677FF8.9000101@paper-ape.com> Message-ID: On Jan 9, 2009, at 11:48 AM, steve harley wrote: > i think we can't really predict how the niches will play out; so far > i can't see real productivity tools working without a keyboard and > mouselike capabilities, but then, the real breakthrough will > probably come when we ditch the cumbersome alphabetic method of > written language and communicate with clouds of colorful weightless > amoeboids, which we can store in small pouches attached to our wrists http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20081221-netbook-sales-surge-in-economic-downturn-wheres-apple.html According to that article, some 14 million netbooks may have been sold in 2008. Pretty nice little niche. :) Be nice to see an ad too where PC is depressed because Apple has Leopard on a netbook, but there are no Vista netbooks because he's too slow. Time will tell, but I for one would buy a Mac netbook in a heartbeat. Probably two, since the wife would be jealous. From rogerhoward at rogerroger.org Fri Jan 9 09:03:44 2009 From: rogerhoward at rogerroger.org (Roger Howard) Date: Fri Jan 9 09:03:46 2009 Subject: CES: So where's Apple's mini notebook? In-Reply-To: <49677FF8.9000101@paper-ape.com> References: <1EE455AE-6769-412D-B370-B238A1DD1280@autonomy.caltech.edu> <5DA6AA7D-C1B2-4FE6-9900-D5E929F956C7@mac.com> <827AE84D-489F-4FAA-966C-EF73712ACAFE@kreme.com> <07EAE7BE-3766-445E-A093-71591B49B90A@me.com> <2D6F0A94-223C-4877-AEB3-620A2B32EADF@kreme.com> <49677FF8.9000101@paper-ape.com> Message-ID: <3cef2a2d69639e0352c0769c8fb3c91e.squirrel@webmail.rogerroger.org> My guess is, if I did more short-form writing (for instance, blogging) and feed-reading, spent more time mobile, and did less CPU/memory-demanding work, a netbook might be a nice fit. At the moment, iPhone for reading feeds, Facebook, and other simple mobile tasks, and a MBP + several desktops is a much better fit for me. I know people who love their netbooks, and who am I to say they are wrong? We all have different tastes... but for me, I just can't see one replacing any of my existing devices - if anything it'd be just another device to choose from - which is nice in times when I feel flush, but these days I don't buy anything I don't absolutely need. A netbook needs to be in the $400 range, give or take, and that just doesn't seem like an Apple market at the moment - that's not much more than the price of an iPhone, and a lot less than a Macbook. I just don't see them making the compromises on build quality and profit margins needed to make a machine in that class today. Cheers -R From newslists at autonomy.caltech.edu Fri Jan 9 09:05:37 2009 From: newslists at autonomy.caltech.edu (Jonathon Kuo) Date: Fri Jan 9 09:05:40 2009 Subject: CES: So where's Apple's mini notebook? In-Reply-To: <49677FF8.9000101@paper-ape.com> References: <1EE455AE-6769-412D-B370-B238A1DD1280@autonomy.caltech.edu> <5DA6AA7D-C1B2-4FE6-9900-D5E929F956C7@mac.com> <827AE84D-489F-4FAA-966C-EF73712ACAFE@kreme.com> <07EAE7BE-3766-445E-A093-71591B49B90A@me.com> <2D6F0A94-223C-4877-AEB3-620A2B32EADF@kreme.com> <49677FF8.9000101@paper-ape.com> Message-ID: <4F30E543-E78C-454B-AC9B-1B48D53E906F@autonomy.caltech.edu> On Jan 9, 2009, at 8:48 AM, steve harley wrote: > they whom i call LuKreme wrote: >> On 9-Jan-2009, at 07:09, Scott Lewis wrote: >>> Checking email in a hotel when we're trying to travel light and >>> maybe even avoid checking luggage. Checking Facebook from bed. >>> Checking email from the breakfast table. >> That's what I use my iPod Touch (or an iPhone) for. > > i have no use for FaceBook, but i try to read email and news on an > iPhone, and while i've made a lot of progress, i'm still constantly > frustrated and feel that like i have to redefine my activities to > fit the limits of tool, which is the opposite of what enabling > technology should be Yeah, email on the iPhone leaves a lot to be desired, mainly I think because the thing's just too darned small for the purpose (email historically being desktop/notebook interaction). Feels like a forced fit. > > > a bigger touch would be fascinating, but without true multi-tasking, > copy & paste, and generally finer pointing & manipulation controls, > i would not be an early adopter; and still i don't think Apple's > mobile platform can yet target broad productivity uses Seems to me that there is a gaping hole between the tiny (palm-held) and the klunky (13" notebook) OS X devices. A mini OS X notebook would be perfect for many occasions and situations (elaborated eloquently by Scott Lewis). It also allows for embedding all the power of OS X into "smart" deployable devices. > > i think we can't really predict how the niches will play out; so far > i can't see real productivity tools working without a keyboard and > mouselike capabilities, but then, the real breakthrough will > probably come when we ditch the cumbersome alphabetic method of > written language and communicate with clouds of colorful weightless > amoeboids, which we can store in small pouches attached to our wrists Amoeboids! Yes! Look at all the pretty colors! (Erm, you inhale them, right...?) From lists at c18.net Fri Jan 9 09:10:31 2009 From: lists at c18.net (Andrew Brown) Date: Fri Jan 9 09:10:35 2009 Subject: CES: So where's Apple's mini notebook? In-Reply-To: <49677FF8.9000101@paper-ape.com> References: <1EE455AE-6769-412D-B370-B238A1DD1280@autonomy.caltech.edu> <5DA6AA7D-C1B2-4FE6-9900-D5E929F956C7@mac.com> <827AE84D-489F-4FAA-966C-EF73712ACAFE@kreme.com> <07EAE7BE-3766-445E-A093-71591B49B90A@me.com> <2D6F0A94-223C-4877-AEB3-620A2B32EADF@kreme.com> <49677FF8.9000101@paper-ape.com> Message-ID: <7CF2C0F1-7A71-4196-A969-C5D241457DA3@c18.net> On 9 Jan 2009, at 17:48, steve harley wrote: > i have no use for FaceBook, but i try to read email and news on an > iPhone, and while i've made a lot of progress, i'm still constantly > frustrated and feel that like i have to redefine my activities to > fit the limits of tool, which is the opposite of what enabling > technology should be Yes, it's pretty rudimentary. I bought an iPhone in a weak moment but hardly ever use it. Over here in Europe the disincentives are strong: if I turn slightly to the left I find myself changing countries, and call costs go through the ceiling; and I checked my mail a couple of times in Rome with my French subscription and paid 45 euros for the pleasure. No doubt it will get less silly in time, when and if our elected servants wake up to the fact that we have had more than enough of the witless antique distinction between national and international and actually get around to doing something useful about it. I expect that will happen when this list stops being reply-to-sender... AB From sglewis at me.com Fri Jan 9 09:28:52 2009 From: sglewis at me.com (Scott G. Lewis) Date: Fri Jan 9 09:30:45 2009 Subject: CES: So where's Apple's mini notebook? In-Reply-To: <4F30E543-E78C-454B-AC9B-1B48D53E906F@autonomy.caltech.edu> References: <1EE455AE-6769-412D-B370-B238A1DD1280@autonomy.caltech.edu> <5DA6AA7D-C1B2-4FE6-9900-D5E929F956C7@mac.com> <827AE84D-489F-4FAA-966C-EF73712ACAFE@kreme.com> <07EAE7BE-3766-445E-A093-71591B49B90A@me.com> <2D6F0A94-223C-4877-AEB3-620A2B32EADF@kreme.com> <49677FF8.9000101@paper-ape.com> <4F30E543-E78C-454B-AC9B-1B48D53E906F@autonomy.caltech.edu> Message-ID: <6241695B-478E-474E-8766-3BCF8DFB9D89@me.com> On Jan 9, 2009, at 12:05 PM, Jonathon Kuo wrote: > Seems to me that there is a gaping hole between the tiny (palm-held) > and the klunky (13" notebook) OS X devices. A mini OS X notebook > would be perfect for many occasions and situations (elaborated > eloquently by Scott Lewis). It also allows for embedding all the > power of OS X into "smart" deployable devices. And if it's not a tablet, Steve Jobs may still be ok with it. :) I wouldn't go so far as to call the notebooks "clunky" - they remain among the most elegant, especially the new aluminum MacBooks which really are a great price for what you get. Someone else stated that $400 is the sweet point for netbooks and Apple won't do that price point. I agree with the latter and disagree with the former. But now I'm starting to repeat myself so I'll end it there. :) From steve at paper-ape.com Fri Jan 9 09:37:56 2009 From: steve at paper-ape.com (steve harley) Date: Fri Jan 9 09:37:58 2009 Subject: CES: So where's Apple's mini notebook? In-Reply-To: <3cef2a2d69639e0352c0769c8fb3c91e.squirrel@webmail.rogerroger.org> References: <1EE455AE-6769-412D-B370-B238A1DD1280@autonomy.caltech.edu> <5DA6AA7D-C1B2-4FE6-9900-D5E929F956C7@mac.com> <827AE84D-489F-4FAA-966C-EF73712ACAFE@kreme.com> <07EAE7BE-3766-445E-A093-71591B49B90A@me.com> <2D6F0A94-223C-4877-AEB3-620A2B32EADF@kreme.com> <49677FF8.9000101@paper-ape.com> <3cef2a2d69639e0352c0769c8fb3c91e.squirrel@webmail.rogerroger.org> Message-ID: <49678B74.6030200@paper-ape.com> they whom i call Roger Howard wrote: > A netbook needs to be in the $400 range, give or take, and that just > doesn't seem like an Apple market at the moment - that's not much more > than the price of an iPhone, and a lot less than a Macbook. I just don't > see them making the compromises on build quality and profit margins needed > to make a machine in that class today. well, technically an iPhone costs pretty close to a MacBook, but that aside, and given the interesting point about netbooks being a relief valve of sorts for laptop sales during a depre-, er, recession, maybe Apple needs to find a way into this market; Sony seems smart testing a higher cost netbook, something i could see Apple also doing (and by the way i'm fascinated with the Sony's display -- i feel i should at least try to see one and work with it, now that i've relented and am wearing reading glasses most of the day anyway, i can see small stuff even better than when my vision was "perfect") From newslists at autonomy.caltech.edu Fri Jan 9 09:38:14 2009 From: newslists at autonomy.caltech.edu (Jonathon Kuo) Date: Fri Jan 9 09:38:16 2009 Subject: CES: So where's Apple's mini notebook? In-Reply-To: <6241695B-478E-474E-8766-3BCF8DFB9D89@me.com> References: <1EE455AE-6769-412D-B370-B238A1DD1280@autonomy.caltech.edu> <5DA6AA7D-C1B2-4FE6-9900-D5E929F956C7@mac.com> <827AE84D-489F-4FAA-966C-EF73712ACAFE@kreme.com> <07EAE7BE-3766-445E-A093-71591B49B90A@me.com> <2D6F0A94-223C-4877-AEB3-620A2B32EADF@kreme.com> <49677FF8.9000101@paper-ape.com> <4F30E543-E78C-454B-AC9B-1B48D53E906F@autonomy.caltech.edu> <6241695B-478E-474E-8766-3BCF8DFB9D89@me.com> Message-ID: <1049CB66-C08E-4E2B-8AE3-77E581D9F034@autonomy.caltech.edu> On Jan 9, 2009, at 9:28 AM, Scott G. Lewis wrote: > On Jan 9, 2009, at 12:05 PM, Jonathon Kuo wrote: > >> Seems to me that there is a gaping hole between the tiny (palm- >> held) and the klunky (13" notebook) OS X devices. A mini OS X >> notebook would be perfect for many occasions and situations >> (elaborated eloquently by Scott Lewis). It also allows for >> embedding all the power of OS X into "smart" deployable devices. > > And if it's not a tablet, Steve Jobs may still be ok with it. :) I > wouldn't go so far as to call the notebooks "clunky" - they remain > among the most elegant, especially the new aluminum MacBooks which > really are a great price for what you get. Consider that you need a fairly large space to "deploy" a 13" notebook (try using one in a coach airline seat. ugh.). A netbook would be a godsend in many cases. > Someone else stated that $400 is the sweet point for netbooks and > Apple won't do that price point. They probably don't need to do that price point. Apple notebooks are about 2X the price of Windows notebooks, yet they sell well. My guess is that Apple would price a netbook at about $700. If they made them... From steve at paper-ape.com Fri Jan 9 10:38:11 2009 From: steve at paper-ape.com (steve harley) Date: Fri Jan 9 10:38:13 2009 Subject: CES: So where's Apple's mini notebook? In-Reply-To: <4F30E543-E78C-454B-AC9B-1B48D53E906F@autonomy.caltech.edu> References: <1EE455AE-6769-412D-B370-B238A1DD1280@autonomy.caltech.edu> <5DA6AA7D-C1B2-4FE6-9900-D5E929F956C7@mac.com> <827AE84D-489F-4FAA-966C-EF73712ACAFE@kreme.com> <07EAE7BE-3766-445E-A093-71591B49B90A@me.com> <2D6F0A94-223C-4877-AEB3-620A2B32EADF@kreme.com> <49677FF8.9000101@paper-ape.com> <4F30E543-E78C-454B-AC9B-1B48D53E906F@autonomy.caltech.edu> Message-ID: <49679993.8020806@paper-ape.com> they whom i call Jonathon Kuo wrote: > On Jan 9, 2009, at 8:48 AM, steve harley wrote: > >> when we ditch the cumbersome alphabetic method of written >> language and communicate with clouds of colorful weightless amoeboids, >> which we can store in small pouches attached to our wrists > > Amoeboids! Yes! Look at all the pretty colors! (Erm, you inhale them, > right...?) in polite discourse one uses a controlled puff & sip grammar From rogerhoward at rogerroger.org Fri Jan 9 15:25:48 2009 From: rogerhoward at rogerroger.org (Roger Howard) Date: Fri Jan 9 15:25:51 2009 Subject: CES: So where's Apple's mini notebook? In-Reply-To: <49678B74.6030200@paper-ape.com> References: <1EE455AE-6769-412D-B370-B238A1DD1280@autonomy.caltech.edu> <5DA6AA7D-C1B2-4FE6-9900-D5E929F956C7@mac.com> <827AE84D-489F-4FAA-966C-EF73712ACAFE@kreme.com> <07EAE7BE-3766-445E-A093-71591B49B90A@me.com> <2D6F0A94-223C-4877-AEB3-620A2B32EADF@kreme.com> <49677FF8.9000101@paper-ape.com> <3cef2a2d69639e0352c0769c8fb3c91e.squirrel@webmail.rogerroger.org> <49678B74.6030200@paper-ape.com> Message-ID: <56b1a73177c59abf794695966bc1e35c.squirrel@webmail.rogerroger.org> On Fri, January 9, 2009 9:37 am, steve harley wrote: > well, technically an iPhone costs pretty close to a MacBook $199-299 is pretty close to $999-1599? Anyway, I certainly don't discount netbooks - like I said, I know a few people who seem to enjoy them... would I love a smaller Macbook, with all the quality of a Macbook, for $399? You-betcha! But I'm not surprised Apple hasn't gone that route, as I don't think they could hit the pricing sweet spot to call it a netbook. Maybe a Macbook Mini, at $899+, following the Sony route with a premium sub-compact device, but I don't expect anything in the typical netbook price range any time soon. From kremels at kreme.com Fri Jan 9 16:16:16 2009 From: kremels at kreme.com (LuKreme) Date: Fri Jan 9 16:16:18 2009 Subject: CES: So where's Apple's mini notebook? In-Reply-To: <49677FF8.9000101@paper-ape.com> References: <1EE455AE-6769-412D-B370-B238A1DD1280@autonomy.caltech.edu> <5DA6AA7D-C1B2-4FE6-9900-D5E929F956C7@mac.com> <827AE84D-489F-4FAA-966C-EF73712ACAFE@kreme.com> <07EAE7BE-3766-445E-A093-71591B49B90A@me.com> <2D6F0A94-223C-4877-AEB3-620A2B32EADF@kreme.com> <49677FF8.9000101@paper-ape.com> Message-ID: <2E14A4A8-CB10-49C2-8CCC-4C487CF63E94@kreme.com> On 9-Jan-2009, at 09:48, steve harley wrote: > they whom i call LuKreme wrote: >> On 9-Jan-2009, at 07:09, Scott Lewis wrote: >>> Checking email in a hotel when we're trying to travel light and >>> maybe even avoid checking luggage. Checking Facebook from bed. >>> Checking email from the breakfast table. >> That's what I use my iPod Touch (or an iPhone) for. > > i have no use for FaceBook, but i try to read email and news on an > iPhone, and while i've made a lot of progress, i'm still constantly > frustrated and feel that like i have to redefine my activities to > fit the limits of tool, which is the opposite of what enabling > technology should be They made some choices with the email that I really really hate, but they are limitations imposed by the programs, not by the device (the inability to delete portions of quoted text quickly and the pathologic insistence on top-posting) and they all have to do with writing email. As far as reading email and news and web sites and weather reports and maps and ... well, everything else, I find the iTouch an absolute joy to use. I am annoyed by the websites (CNN, for one) that insist on forcing me onto a 'mobile' version of their page, but that is the stupidity of the website, and has nothing to do with the iPhone/Touch per se. -- Advance and attack! Attack and destroy! Destroy and rejoice! From mrhatken at mac.com Fri Jan 9 18:35:39 2009 From: mrhatken at mac.com (Ashley Aitken) Date: Fri Jan 9 18:36:03 2009 Subject: CES: So where's Apple's mini notebook? In-Reply-To: <2E14A4A8-CB10-49C2-8CCC-4C487CF63E94@kreme.com> References: <1EE455AE-6769-412D-B370-B238A1DD1280@autonomy.caltech.edu> <5DA6AA7D-C1B2-4FE6-9900-D5E929F956C7@mac.com> <827AE84D-489F-4FAA-966C-EF73712ACAFE@kreme.com> <07EAE7BE-3766-445E-A093-71591B49B90A@me.com> <2D6F0A94-223C-4877-AEB3-620A2B32EADF@kreme.com> <49677FF8.9000101@paper-ape.com> <2E14A4A8-CB10-49C2-8CCC-4C487CF63E94@kreme.com> Message-ID: I believe if one is trying to do more than write an email with "more than two" sentences, look-up something quickly on a Web page or two, find general directions or find out where you are and what's close, pass some time playing a game or two, ..., then one is working outside the target use of the iPhone / iPod touch. I believe Apple leaving out copy-and-paste is a direct indication that they don't think it is meant to be used as a general computing device like a laptop or desktop (not that they won't ever add c&p). They don't want us to think of the iPhone for writing detailed (inline reply) emails or productivity work. And similarly, I don't believe (as a result of extensive research and field surveys ... not ;-) that most netbook users want or need a general computing device. A netbook is probably targeted at slightly more general purpose and more complex tasks than an iPhone / iPod Touch but less than a laptop / desktop. iPhone / iPod Touch => Easy to carry with you and for quick, simple, and mobile tasks Netbook => Ok to carry in a bag and for quick, slightly more complex tasks and possibly mobile tasks Ultra-Notebooks=> Ok to carry in a bag and for more general computing tasks and possibly mobile tasks Laptop / Desktop => Ok to move around and for full on general computing and usually not mobile tasks I guess that Apple's iPhone Tablet / iPod Touch Tablet / iPod Tablet (whatever they call it) will be what they use to compete with the Netbooks. I don't think they will make a Mac Netbook, although they obviously could I personally would probably like one of those. I think Steve believes 1) to include a keyboard with Netbooks devices means the screen must be too small and dropping the keyboard means going touch, 2) most people won't need general computing but may like mobility functionality, which also means going with the iPhone / iPod Touch GUI. So I'm predicting we'll see an iPhone Tablet / iPod Touch Tablet / iPod Tablet (whatever they call it) before we'll see a MacBook mini or MacBook nano (although again, I'd personally like the latter, especially if it had large/cheap enough ). Cheers, Ashley. -- Ashley Aitken Perth, Western Australia Skype/iChat: MrHatken (GMT + 8hrs!) From macsrwe at macsrwe.com Sat Jan 10 12:25:45 2009 From: macsrwe at macsrwe.com (Macs R We) Date: Sat Jan 10 12:25:48 2009 Subject: So where's Apple's mini notebook? In-Reply-To: <20090110195715.165BC9E5ED7@forums.omnigroup.com> References: <20090110195715.165BC9E5ED7@forums.omnigroup.com> Message-ID: On Jan 10, 2009, at 12:57 PM, macosx-talk-request@omnigroup.com wrote: > From: "Roger Howard" > On Fri, January 9, 2009 9:37 am, steve harley wrote: > >> well, technically an iPhone costs pretty close to a MacBook > > $199-299 is pretty close to $999-1599? Let me check my monthly MacBook operating bill over my two-year MacBook service contract and I'll get back to you. $70/month x 24 months = $1,680, and that's before you text message one. -- Macs R We -- Personal Macintosh Service and Support in the Wickenburg and far Northwest Valley Areas. http://macsrwe.com From jearle at gmail.com Sat Jan 10 12:51:59 2009 From: jearle at gmail.com (Jared Earle) Date: Sat Jan 10 12:52:03 2009 Subject: So where's Apple's mini notebook? In-Reply-To: References: <20090110195715.165BC9E5ED7@forums.omnigroup.com> Message-ID: <5bbc0cd60901101251j4a29ac52m18a288c98f3f337d@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, Jan 10, 2009 at 8:25 PM, Macs R We wrote: > Let me check my monthly MacBook operating bill over my two-year MacBook > service contract and I'll get back to you. > > $70/month x 24 months = $1,680, and that's before you text message one. Oh, then add the same contract for a 3G card for the MacBook. Let's compare Apples and apples. -- Jared Earle :: There is no SPORK jearle@gmail.com :: http://jearle.eu Hosting :: http://cat5.org Blog :: http://blog.23x.net From i.am.list.boy at gmail.com Sat Jan 10 14:56:22 2009 From: i.am.list.boy at gmail.com (list boy) Date: Sat Jan 10 14:56:32 2009 Subject: CES: So where's Apple's mini notebook? In-Reply-To: <20090109195715.E65779D85E0@forums.omnigroup.com> References: <20090109195715.E65779D85E0@forums.omnigroup.com> Message-ID: Can I use this as my new sig:? On Jan 9, 2009, at 2:57 PM, macosx-talk-request@omnigroup.com wrote: > That's the nice thing about Leopard... it's not drastically slower > than Tiger. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /mailman/archive/macosx-talk/attachments/20090110/4d918fe3/attachment.html From sglewis at me.com Sat Jan 10 15:27:16 2009 From: sglewis at me.com (Scott Lewis) Date: Sat Jan 10 15:27:38 2009 Subject: So where's Apple's mini notebook? In-Reply-To: <5bbc0cd60901101251j4a29ac52m18a288c98f3f337d@mail.gmail.com> References: <20090110195715.165BC9E5ED7@forums.omnigroup.com> <5bbc0cd60901101251j4a29ac52m18a288c98f3f337d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <42894F8A-D853-486D-8DBA-23D019A489DB@me.com> On Jan 10, 2009, at 3:51 PM, Jared Earle wrote: > On Sat, Jan 10, 2009 at 8:25 PM, Macs R We > wrote: >> Let me check my monthly MacBook operating bill over my two-year >> MacBook >> service contract and I'll get back to you. >> >> $70/month x 24 months = $1,680, and that's before you text message >> one. > > Oh, then add the same contract for a 3G card for the MacBook. Let's > compare Apples and apples. Yeah. There is an iPod Touch for people who don't want cell service on something running that form factor and OS. Besides, the iPhone doesn't cost an extra $70 a month. Do I pay more for my iPhone than I did for my prior AT&T (then Cingular phone) - sure - but then that was a RAZR that I did 10 text messages a week on, and had no data service. The real question should always have been the cost relative to a Blackberry voice and data plan or a WinMobile voice and data plan, in which case, it's certainly not an extra $1680 a month. By the way, I have iPhones on a family plan (3 now, I snuck my Dad onto it too, even though that's a different house). The $30 unlimited text plan works out to $10 a month for each of us... a relative steal! From kremels at kreme.com Sun Jan 11 13:08:37 2009 From: kremels at kreme.com (LuKreme) Date: Sun Jan 11 13:08:40 2009 Subject: 11 days.... Message-ID: <967E36BB-6D1C-4433-A89C-B415F4284CF1@kreme.com> So, in 11 days we have the 25th anniversary of what is quite possibly the single most famous television advertisement of all time; oh, and the introduction of the Macintosh. So, is this anniversary just going to go by quietly, or does Apple have something up its sleeve? -- The Germans wore gray, you wore blue. From jearle at gmail.com Sun Jan 11 14:26:14 2009 From: jearle at gmail.com (Jared Earle) Date: Sun Jan 11 14:26:20 2009 Subject: 11 days.... In-Reply-To: <967E36BB-6D1C-4433-A89C-B415F4284CF1@kreme.com> References: <967E36BB-6D1C-4433-A89C-B415F4284CF1@kreme.com> Message-ID: <5bbc0cd60901111426y3943cbcak868726eec80e2c07@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 9:08 PM, LuKreme wrote: > So, in 11 days we have the 25th anniversary of what is quite possibly the > single most famous television advertisement of all time; oh, and the > introduction of the Macintosh. > > So, is this anniversary just going to go by quietly, or does Apple have > something up its sleeve? Jobs isn't one for looking back. However, you never know. Personally, I reckon something will be announced. Something nice. -- Jared Earle :: There is no SPORK jearle@gmail.com :: http://jearle.eu Hosting :: http://cat5.org Blog :: http://blog.23x.net From steve at paper-ape.com Sun Jan 11 15:21:52 2009 From: steve at paper-ape.com (steve harley) Date: Sun Jan 11 15:22:21 2009 Subject: CES: So where's Apple's mini notebook? In-Reply-To: References: <1EE455AE-6769-412D-B370-B238A1DD1280@autonomy.caltech.edu> <5DA6AA7D-C1B2-4FE6-9900-D5E929F956C7@mac.com> <827AE84D-489F-4FAA-966C-EF73712ACAFE@kreme.com> <07EAE7BE-3766-445E-A093-71591B49B90A@me.com> <2D6F0A94-223C-4877-AEB3-620A2B32EADF@kreme.com> <49677FF8.9000101@paper-ape.com> <2E14A4A8-CB10-49C2-8CCC-4C487CF63E94@kreme.com> Message-ID: <496A7F10.2030301@paper-ape.com> they whom i call Ashley Aitken wrote: > > I believe if one is trying to do more than write an email with "more > than two" sentences, look-up something quickly on a Web page or two, > find general directions or find out where you are and what's close, pass > some time playing a game or two, ..., then one is working outside the > target use of the iPhone / iPod touch. i find it a pain to do things as simple as send someone a URL, or to open three or four references from a web page in new windows; this is the everyday pattern of me grappling with information, not fancy stuff when creating a flexible platform a manufacturer can't really expect to have control over the "target use"; it's more up to Apple to scramble to keep up with the users than for the users to conform themselves to Apple's vision; in essence i think the problem is one that will benefit Apple greatly to solve -- how to interact in a deeply expressive way with a "touch" interface From mrhatken at mac.com Sun Jan 11 22:51:58 2009 From: mrhatken at mac.com (Ashley Aitken) Date: Sun Jan 11 22:52:20 2009 Subject: CES: So where's Apple's mini notebook? In-Reply-To: <496A7F10.2030301@paper-ape.com> References: <1EE455AE-6769-412D-B370-B238A1DD1280@autonomy.caltech.edu> <5DA6AA7D-C1B2-4FE6-9900-D5E929F956C7@mac.com> <827AE84D-489F-4FAA-966C-EF73712ACAFE@kreme.com> <07EAE7BE-3766-445E-A093-71591B49B90A@me.com> <2D6F0A94-223C-4877-AEB3-620A2B32EADF@kreme.com> <49677FF8.9000101@paper-ape.com> <2E14A4A8-CB10-49C2-8CCC-4C487CF63E94@kreme.com> <496A7F10.2030301@paper-ape.com> Message-ID: On 12/01/2009, at 8:21 AM, steve harley wrote: > they whom i call Ashley Aitken wrote: >> I believe if one is trying to do more than write an email with >> "more than two" sentences, look-up something quickly on a Web page >> or two, find general directions or find out where you are and >> what's close, pass some time playing a game or two, ..., then one >> is working outside the target use of the iPhone / iPod touch. > > i find it a pain to do things as simple as send someone a URL, or to > open three or four references from a web page in new windows; this > is the everyday pattern of me grappling with information, not fancy > stuff Sure, I agree, but think of the current iPhone like the first Mac. MacPaint and MacWrite showed what was possible, but you really couldn't do fancy drawings or long documents without a high-res screen, without (co-op) multi-tasking etc. I think the iPhone has a long way to go before it can do all the things it is supposed to do and do them well, and I am sure Apple knows that. > when creating a flexible platform a manufacturer can't really expect > to have control over the "target use"; it's more up to Apple to > scramble to keep up with the users than for the users to conform > themselves to Apple's vision; in essence i think the problem is one > that will benefit Apple greatly to solve -- how to interact in a > deeply expressive way with a "touch" interface Another good point. However, I think Apple (Steve) would suggest that some things just aren't meant to be done with a touch interface, or at least on a phone, e.g. productivity apps, CAD, development, ... As you suggest though, it doesn't mean apple can't find new ways to do things on such a device. A few years back if anyone had suggested that one could easily do zoom and rotate and other image manipulation on a phone with your finger I probably would have laughed. Cheers, Ashley. -- Ashley Aitken Perth, Western Australia mrhatken at mac dot com Skype Name: MrHatken (GMT + 8 Hours!) From kremels at kreme.com Mon Jan 12 06:08:46 2009 From: kremels at kreme.com (LuKreme) Date: Mon Jan 12 06:08:52 2009 Subject: CES: So where's Apple's mini notebook? In-Reply-To: <496A7F10.2030301@paper-ape.com> References: <1EE455AE-6769-412D-B370-B238A1DD1280@autonomy.caltech.edu> <5DA6AA7D-C1B2-4FE6-9900-D5E929F956C7@mac.com> <827AE84D-489F-4FAA-966C-EF73712ACAFE@kreme.com> <07EAE7BE-3766-445E-A093-71591B49B90A@me.com> <2D6F0A94-223C-4877-AEB3-620A2B32EADF@kreme.com> <49677FF8.9000101@paper-ape.com> <2E14A4A8-CB10-49C2-8CCC-4C487CF63E94@kreme.com> <496A7F10.2030301@paper-ape.com> Message-ID: On 11-Jan-2009, at 16:21, steve harley wrote: > they whom i call Ashley Aitken wrote: >> I believe if one is trying to do more than write an email with >> "more than two" sentences, look-up something quickly on a Web page >> or two, find general directions or find out where you are and >> what's close, pass some time playing a game or two, ..., then one >> is working outside the target use of the iPhone / iPod touch. > > i find it a pain to do things as simple as send someone a URL tap "+" tap "mail link to this page" > or to open three or four references from a web page in new windows OK, but on the few times I need to do that, clicking one, going back, clicking the next is acceptable. > this is the everyday pattern of me grappling with information, not > fancy stuff I'm not claiming the iTouch/iPhone is a replacement for your computer; nor is it intended as such. However, it is damn handy and it saves me oodles of time -- even if that time is simply the time it takes to go downstairs to the computer. > when creating a flexible platform a manufacturer can't really expect > to have control over the "target use"; it's more up to Apple to > scramble to keep up with the users than for the users to conform > themselves to Apple's vision; in essence i think the problem is one > that will benefit Apple greatly to solve -- how to interact in a > deeply expressive way with a "touch" interface We've discussed the issues with the touch interface in the past (though come to think of it, I think most of that was actually on the TidBITS list) and I stand by what I said then: Apple worked very hard to make the touch interface clean and useful without overloading it with a bunch of extra stuff to be confusing. What I said about cut&paste (in reference to keyboard support on the iPhone): >The iPod Touch/iPhone is a touchscreen device, and Apple is loathe to >have features that are only accessible to those not using the >touchscreen. > >Is it doable? Yes, of course? Is it doable without overloading the >touch interface and screwing up the simple elegance of the device? >Not so sure. -- It's better to burn out than it is to rust -- Neil Young as quoted be Kurt Cobain From merlyn at stonehenge.com Thu Jan 8 16:28:43 2009 From: merlyn at stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz) Date: Mon Jan 12 10:28:05 2009 Subject: deleting redundant versions of iphone apps Message-ID: <8663kpgw5g.fsf@blue.stonehenge.com> Anyone have a tool or a process for removing old iphone apps from "~/Music/Itunes/Mobile Applications"? I have 834 apps (mostly free) in my itunes view, but 887 actual files. Many of the "extra" files appear to be downrev versions of things I had installed at one point. For example, I have "Here I am 1.1.ipa" and "Here I am 1.2.ipa". -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 Smalltalk/Perl/Unix consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See http://methodsandmessages.vox.com/ for Smalltalk and Seaside discussion From kremels at kreme.com Mon Jan 12 11:55:04 2009 From: kremels at kreme.com (LuKreme) Date: Mon Jan 12 11:58:48 2009 Subject: deleting redundant versions of iphone apps In-Reply-To: <8663kpgw5g.fsf@blue.stonehenge.com> References: <8663kpgw5g.fsf@blue.stonehenge.com> Message-ID: <32FB18C9-530E-4466-ADCC-0DEE28194C31@kreme.com> On 8-Jan-2009, at 17:28, Randal L. Schwartz wrote: > Anyone have a tool or a process for removing old iphone apps from > "~/Music/Itunes/Mobile Applications"? Command-delete? -- I AM ZOMBOR! (kelly) ZOMBOR! From arno at alum.wpi.edu Mon Jan 12 14:29:33 2009 From: arno at alum.wpi.edu (Arno Hautala) Date: Mon Jan 12 14:51:42 2009 Subject: deleting redundant versions of iphone apps In-Reply-To: <32FB18C9-530E-4466-ADCC-0DEE28194C31@kreme.com> References: <8663kpgw5g.fsf@blue.stonehenge.com> <32FB18C9-530E-4466-ADCC-0DEE28194C31@kreme.com> Message-ID: <6adc49070901121429h1c070ccn218d949cf187dbfb@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 14:55, LuKreme wrote: > On 8-Jan-2009, at 17:28, Randal L. Schwartz wrote: >> >> Anyone have a tool or a process for removing old iphone apps from >> "~/Music/Itunes/Mobile Applications"? > > > Command-delete? It's what I did. Sort by date modified and look for duplicate names. Once you're done you shouldn't have to do it again though, iTunes is smart enough now to delete the old version when updating. -- -- -- arno s hautala /-\ arno@alum.wpi.edu -- -- From rogerhoward at rogerroger.org Tue Jan 13 09:10:17 2009 From: rogerhoward at rogerroger.org (Roger Howard) Date: Tue Jan 13 09:10:20 2009 Subject: So where's Apple's mini notebook? In-Reply-To: References: <20090110195715.165BC9E5ED7@forums.omnigroup.com> Message-ID: On Sat, January 10, 2009 12:25 pm, Macs R We wrote: > > On Jan 10, 2009, at 12:57 PM, macosx-talk-request@omnigroup.com wrote: > >> From: "Roger Howard" > >> On Fri, January 9, 2009 9:37 am, steve harley wrote: >> >>> well, technically an iPhone costs pretty close to a MacBook >> >> $199-299 is pretty close to $999-1599? > > Let me check my monthly MacBook operating bill over my two-year > MacBook service contract and I'll get back to you. > > $70/month x 24 months = $1,680, and that's before you text message one. Add 3G service to your Macbook and then compare. From merlyn at stonehenge.com Tue Jan 13 09:57:46 2009 From: merlyn at stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz) Date: Tue Jan 13 10:27:47 2009 Subject: deleting redundant versions of iphone apps In-Reply-To: <6adc49070901121429h1c070ccn218d949cf187dbfb@mail.gmail.com> (Arno Hautala's message of "Mon, 12 Jan 2009 17:29:33 -0500") References: <8663kpgw5g.fsf@blue.stonehenge.com> <32FB18C9-530E-4466-ADCC-0DEE28194C31@kreme.com> <6adc49070901121429h1c070ccn218d949cf187dbfb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <864p035bs5.fsf@blue.stonehenge.com> >>>>> "Arno" == Arno Hautala writes: Arno> It's what I did. Sort by date modified and look for duplicate names. Arno> Once you're done you shouldn't have to do it again though, iTunes is Arno> smart enough now to delete the old version when updating. Given 908 apps according to itunes, but 948 in my folder, I'm a little nervous about deleting the wrong thing. Is there any applescript or other means to ask itunes which of those are the "official" active apps? -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 Smalltalk/Perl/Unix consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See http://methodsandmessages.vox.com/ for Smalltalk and Seaside discussion From macsrwe at macsrwe.com Tue Jan 13 11:48:48 2009 From: macsrwe at macsrwe.com (Macs R We) Date: Tue Jan 13 11:48:54 2009 Subject: So where's Apple's mini notebook? In-Reply-To: References: <20090110195715.165BC9E5ED7@forums.omnigroup.com> Message-ID: On Jan 13, 2009, at 10:10 AM, Roger Howard wrote: >>>> well, technically an iPhone costs pretty close to a MacBook >>> >>> $199-299 is pretty close to $999-1599? >> >> Let me check my monthly MacBook operating bill over my two-year >> MacBook service contract and I'll get back to you. >> >> $70/month x 24 months = $1,680, and that's before you text message >> one. > > Add 3G service to your Macbook and then compare. > Why? I don't want 3G service. If one could omit 3G service from the price of the iPhone, you might have an argument, but one can't -- if you buy an Phone, you have to pay that fee. No matter how you slice it, an iPhone costs pretty close to a MacBook. How anyone can argue that is beyond me. If I had said that "a Lamborghini costs pretty close to a house," would you tell me to recompute after adding two bathrooms to the car? -- Macs R We -- Personal Macintosh Service and Support in the Wickenburg and far Northwest Valley Areas. http://macsrwe.com From sglewis at me.com Tue Jan 13 11:52:34 2009 From: sglewis at me.com (Scott G. Lewis) Date: Tue Jan 13 11:54:28 2009 Subject: So where's Apple's mini notebook? In-Reply-To: References: <20090110195715.165BC9E5ED7@forums.omnigroup.com> Message-ID: On Jan 13, 2009, at 2:48 PM, Macs R We wrote: > Why? I don't want 3G service. Try an iPod Touch. > If one could omit 3G service from the price of the iPhone, you might > have an argument, but one can't -- if you buy an Phone, you have to > pay that fee. Try an iPod Touch. > No matter how you slice it, an iPhone costs pretty close to a > MacBook. How anyone can argue that is beyond me. Not even close. Now it may be true that cellular service over the course of a two year contract can be as much as a computer... but how that has anything to do with anything only you seem to understand. If you want a handheld with a small screen and iPhone-esque applications, might I suggest an iPod Touch? It's kinda like an iPhone without 3G service. > If I had said that "a Lamborghini costs pretty close to a house," > would you tell me to recompute after adding two bathrooms to the car? If you had said you want a Lamborghini, but didn't want to pay a premium for a fast engine since you personally didn't use it, and it would be helpful if you could live there, I might recommend a Winnebago. Do you want a Smartphone or a PDA? If you don't want a phone, there's no real reason to buy a Smartphone. From joar at joar.com Tue Jan 13 11:55:46 2009 From: joar at joar.com (j o a r) Date: Tue Jan 13 11:55:52 2009 Subject: So where's Apple's mini notebook? In-Reply-To: References: <20090110195715.165BC9E5ED7@forums.omnigroup.com> Message-ID: On Jan 13, 2009, at 11:48 AM, Macs R We wrote: > If one could omit 3G service from the price of the iPhone, you might > have an argument, but one can't -- if you buy an Phone, you have to > pay that fee. If you're not interested in cell phone capabilities, why are you comparing to the iPhone, and not the iPod Touch? j o a r From jearle at gmail.com Tue Jan 13 14:03:21 2009 From: jearle at gmail.com (Jared Earle) Date: Tue Jan 13 14:03:28 2009 Subject: So where's Apple's mini notebook? In-Reply-To: References: <20090110195715.165BC9E5ED7@forums.omnigroup.com> Message-ID: <5bbc0cd60901131403o199e8ca0qe8e5267996f2eef9@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 7:48 PM, Macs R We wrote: > Why? I don't want 3G service. > > If one could omit 3G service from the price of the iPhone, you might have an > argument, but one can't -- if you buy an Phone, you have to pay that fee. iPod Touch. iPod Touch. iPod Touch. iPod Touch. It's cheap. -- Jared Earle :: There is no SPORK jearle@gmail.com :: http://jearle.eu Hosting :: http://cat5.org Blog :: http://blog.23x.net From rogerhoward at rogerroger.org Tue Jan 13 14:20:59 2009 From: rogerhoward at rogerroger.org (Roger Howard) Date: Tue Jan 13 14:21:02 2009 Subject: So where's Apple's mini notebook? In-Reply-To: References: <20090110195715.165BC9E5ED7@forums.omnigroup.com> Message-ID: <87b0578ffbc6d4aaa3c40cf474657aa4.squirrel@webmail.rogerroger.org> On Tue, January 13, 2009 11:48 am, Macs R We wrote: > > On Jan 13, 2009, at 10:10 AM, Roger Howard wrote: > >>>>> well, technically an iPhone costs pretty close to a MacBook >>>> >>>> $199-299 is pretty close to $999-1599? >>> >>> Let me check my monthly MacBook operating bill over my two-year >>> MacBook service contract and I'll get back to you. >>> >>> $70/month x 24 months = $1,680, and that's before you text message >>> one. >> >> Add 3G service to your Macbook and then compare. > >> > Why? I don't want 3G service. Ok, so if you choose to buy an iPhone instead of the iPod Touch and still don't want any phone service, then yes you're paying more than the $199 for an iPhone, but you are *not* paying the entire cost of a 2 year service plan. You can cancel the plan right away for $175, IIRC. This means that if you really must have an iPhone, minus the service, then the base cost is $374 or $474. Still, nowhere near the cost of a Macbook. If you choose to use the phone service, then I would argue that you should include the price of comparable service (either with a 3G USB modem or a standalone 3G phone) in any comparison with a Macbook From arno at alum.wpi.edu Tue Jan 13 14:29:41 2009 From: arno at alum.wpi.edu (Arno Hautala) Date: Tue Jan 13 14:30:27 2009 Subject: deleting redundant versions of iphone apps In-Reply-To: <864p035bs5.fsf@blue.stonehenge.com> References: <8663kpgw5g.fsf@blue.stonehenge.com> <32FB18C9-530E-4466-ADCC-0DEE28194C31@kreme.com> <6adc49070901121429h1c070ccn218d949cf187dbfb@mail.gmail.com> <864p035bs5.fsf@blue.stonehenge.com> Message-ID: <6adc49070901131429t16202424i57dfac09142921b5@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 12:57, Randal L. Schwartz wrote: >>>>>> "Arno" == Arno Hautala writes: > > Arno> It's what I did. Sort by date modified and look for duplicate names. > Arno> Once you're done you shouldn't have to do it again though, iTunes is > Arno> smart enough now to delete the old version when updating. > > Given 908 apps according to itunes, but 948 in my folder, I'm a little > nervous about deleting the wrong thing. Is there any applescript or > other means to ask itunes which of those are the "official" active apps? For any that you're unsure of: Select the App in iTunes Right click Select Show in Finder If you make a mistake you can always redownload for free. 908!? And I thought I was up there with 119. How many do you actually have on your device? -- -- -- arno s hautala /-\ arno@alum.wpi.edu -- -- From merlyn at stonehenge.com Tue Jan 13 14:43:49 2009 From: merlyn at stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz) Date: Tue Jan 13 15:00:17 2009 Subject: deleting redundant versions of iphone apps In-Reply-To: <6adc49070901131429t16202424i57dfac09142921b5@mail.gmail.com> (Arno Hautala's message of "Tue, 13 Jan 2009 17:29:41 -0500") References: <8663kpgw5g.fsf@blue.stonehenge.com> <32FB18C9-530E-4466-ADCC-0DEE28194C31@kreme.com> <6adc49070901121429h1c070ccn218d949cf187dbfb@mail.gmail.com> <864p035bs5.fsf@blue.stonehenge.com> <6adc49070901131429t16202424i57dfac09142921b5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <86k58y4yje.fsf@blue.stonehenge.com> >>>>> "Arno" == Arno Hautala writes: Arno> 908!? And I thought I was up there with 119. How many do you Arno> actually have on your device? Only about 210 or so. I got burned when I hit 255 once (I think it was), so I'm pretty careful not to hit that any more. I use Categories from Cydia to organize into these folders: Near Chat Work Pictures Sound Tools Attic Play Data News And I try not to get more than 32 per category (since Categories doesn't have horiz scroll indicators), and no more than 16 + 4 icons on the home (only) screen, counting the 10 folders listed above. iTunes is reporting 711MB for apps. Sounds about right. -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 Smalltalk/Perl/Unix consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See http://methodsandmessages.vox.com/ for Smalltalk and Seaside discussion From kremels at kreme.com Tue Jan 13 18:50:04 2009 From: kremels at kreme.com (LuKreme) Date: Tue Jan 13 18:50:07 2009 Subject: So where's Apple's mini notebook? In-Reply-To: References: <20090110195715.165BC9E5ED7@forums.omnigroup.com> Message-ID: On 13-Jan-2009, at 12:48, Macs R We wrote: > On Jan 13, 2009, at 10:10 AM, Roger Howard wrote: >>>>> well, technically an iPhone costs pretty close to a MacBook >>>> >>>> $199-299 is pretty close to $999-1599? >>> >>> Let me check my monthly MacBook operating bill over my two-year >>> MacBook service contract and I'll get back to you. >>> >>> $70/month x 24 months = $1,680, and that's before you text message >>> one. >> >> Add 3G service to your Macbook and then compare. > >> > Why? I don't want 3G service. Then why are we comparing prices to an iPhone? The iPod Touch is $400 and does just about everything the iPhone does without 3G. -- ...I started playing Myst at 4:30 in the afternoon and looked up suddenly and realized it was February. From aglee at mac.com Wed Jan 14 14:47:12 2009 From: aglee at mac.com (Andy Lee) Date: Wed Jan 14 14:47:27 2009 Subject: Steve Jobs to go on medical leave Message-ID: <003F2623-13B8-40C5-9EB2-197DB0057F32@mac.com> http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2009/01/14advisory.html --Andy From matthew.penna at gmail.com Wed Jan 14 18:18:03 2009 From: matthew.penna at gmail.com (Matt Penna) Date: Wed Jan 14 18:18:08 2009 Subject: Steve Jobs to go on medical leave In-Reply-To: <003F2623-13B8-40C5-9EB2-197DB0057F32@mac.com> References: <003F2623-13B8-40C5-9EB2-197DB0057F32@mac.com> Message-ID: On Jan 14, 2009, at 5:47 PM, Andy Lee wrote: > http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2009/01/14advisory.html First of all, I wish Steve all the best and I hope that he's able to recover swiftly. When I read this, I figured there were either two possibilities. One, Steve is actually as ill as he claims and genuinely needs to take medical leave, or two, his condition is not quite that bad, but he wanted to leave the company temporarily for other reasons. As he alludes in his letter, his health has become a distraction (wrongly, IMHO) and Apple has better things to do with its time and resources than manage gossip about its CEO. Whether he is extremely ill or not, Steve Jobs's temporarily leaving Apple demonstrates once and for all that the company can operate without him. When he returns, hopefully the speculation will have abated because it won't seem so important anymore, and Steve might actually get some peace. Is Steve sick? Honestly, aside from my genuine concern about the health of another human being, I really am not interested. I have witnessed a number of online discussions where "Apple stockholders" have demanded more private information because they feel they are entitled to it, and I simply do not understand the obsession over this. It feels ghoulish. Get well soon, Steve! We'll see you at WWDC. Matt From newslists at autonomy.caltech.edu Thu Jan 15 12:16:30 2009 From: newslists at autonomy.caltech.edu (Jonathon Kuo) Date: Thu Jan 15 12:16:33 2009 Subject: 'Number of recent items' setting Message-ID: <3F154CD0-352F-4634-8F98-6047E649C3D9@autonomy.caltech.edu> Across the board, every Cocoa app on my 10.5.6 systems only show me the last 10 recent documents (TextEdit, Xcode, etc). In Sys Prefs -> Appearance I have 50 set for the number of recent items, but this setting is ignored and I still only get 10. Does this setting work for anybody? From aglee at mac.com Thu Jan 15 12:34:44 2009 From: aglee at mac.com (Andy Lee) Date: Thu Jan 15 12:34:48 2009 Subject: 'Number of recent items' setting In-Reply-To: <3F154CD0-352F-4634-8F98-6047E649C3D9@autonomy.caltech.edu> References: <3F154CD0-352F-4634-8F98-6047E649C3D9@autonomy.caltech.edu> Message-ID: <05443861-B8C6-44C7-8095-36813394FB7A@mac.com> On Jan 15, 2009, at 3:16 PM, Jonathon Kuo wrote: > Across the board, every Cocoa app on my 10.5.6 systems only show me > the last 10 recent documents (TextEdit, Xcode, etc). In Sys Prefs -> > Appearance I have 50 set for the number of recent items, but this > setting is ignored and I still only get 10. Does this setting work > for anybody? I did a very quick test using TextEdit to open files. The System Preference setting only affected the Recent items in my system-wide Apple menu, not TextEdit. --Andy From newslists at autonomy.caltech.edu Thu Jan 15 13:08:49 2009 From: newslists at autonomy.caltech.edu (Jonathon Kuo) Date: Thu Jan 15 13:08:53 2009 Subject: 'Number of recent items' setting In-Reply-To: <05443861-B8C6-44C7-8095-36813394FB7A@mac.com> References: <3F154CD0-352F-4634-8F98-6047E649C3D9@autonomy.caltech.edu> <05443861-B8C6-44C7-8095-36813394FB7A@mac.com> Message-ID: <9165A8C6-3493-45C5-8352-0B06EE8BD112@autonomy.caltech.edu> On Jan 15, 2009, at 12:34 PM, Andy Lee wrote: > On Jan 15, 2009, at 3:16 PM, Jonathon Kuo wrote: >> Across the board, every Cocoa app on my 10.5.6 systems only show me >> the last 10 recent documents (TextEdit, Xcode, etc). In Sys Prefs - >> > Appearance I have 50 set for the number of recent items, but this >> setting is ignored and I still only get 10. Does this setting work >> for anybody? > > I did a very quick test using TextEdit to open files. The System > Preference setting only affected the Recent items in my system-wide > Apple menu, not TextEdit. Ah, then that explains it. Not to mention that its not that useful a setting. Thx From r.o.durrer at durrer.org Fri Jan 16 07:34:50 2009 From: r.o.durrer at durrer.org (Rudolf O. Durrer) Date: Fri Jan 16 07:35:28 2009 Subject: 'Repair Permissions' question In-Reply-To: <634B4E8B-73C2-459B-8A42-5E5B8FCD0639@mac.com> References: <634B4E8B-73C2-459B-8A42-5E5B8FCD0639@mac.com> Message-ID: Am 14.01.2009 um 16.19 schrieb Justin C. Walker: > Hi, all, > > One of the systems I have a hand in managing showed the following > during a "Repair Permissions" run: > > Warning: SUID file "System/Library/Filesystems/AppleShare/afpLoad" > has been modified and will not be repaired. > Warning: SUID file "usr/bin/setregion" has been modified and will > not be repaired. > Warning: SUID file "System/Library/PrivateFrameworks/ > Install.framework/Versions/A/Resources/runner" has been modified and > will not be repaired. > Warning: SUID file "System/Library/Printers/IOMs/LPRIOM.plugin/ > Contents/MacOS/LPRIOMHelper" has been modified and will not be > repaired. I have sometimes the same phenomenon in the German version of Leo and have questioned about it a few months ago, but unfortunately with no reply mfg Rudolf From arno at alum.wpi.edu Fri Jan 16 14:44:58 2009 From: arno at alum.wpi.edu (Arno Hautala) Date: Fri Jan 16 14:45:04 2009 Subject: 'Repair Permissions' question In-Reply-To: References: <634B4E8B-73C2-459B-8A42-5E5B8FCD0639@mac.com> Message-ID: <6adc49070901161444wef79c36nb3a99a5627c9b02b@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 10:34, Rudolf O. Durrer wrote: > > Am 14.01.2009 um 16.19 schrieb Justin C. Walker: > >> Warning: SUID file "file" has been modified and will not be repaired. It's normal: http://support.apple.com/kb/TS1448 Also, one report that the combo update will "correct" the issue: http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=1864850&tstart=120 -- -- -- arno s hautala /-\ arno@alum.wpi.edu -- -- From dan at ebji.org Fri Jan 16 14:13:44 2009 From: dan at ebji.org (Daniel Israel) Date: Fri Jan 16 15:04:13 2009 Subject: Video Capture program Message-ID: <03184FCB-3C1F-494A-9A97-DDC2AD6A4206@ebji.org> Does anybody here know of a good program to capture video in OSX? I am looking to make a video tutorial and want to capture what I'm doing (on the desktop) while explaining it with microphone. Any help appreciated. Thanks. -D. Israel dan@ebji.org http://www.customcodebydan.com AIM: JudoDanIzz -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /mailman/archive/macosx-talk/attachments/20090116/810ec09f/attachment.html From lists at cortig.net Fri Jan 16 15:19:14 2009 From: lists at cortig.net (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Corentin_Cras-M=E9neur?=) Date: Fri Jan 16 15:19:20 2009 Subject: Video Capture program In-Reply-To: <03184FCB-3C1F-494A-9A97-DDC2AD6A4206@ebji.org> References: <03184FCB-3C1F-494A-9A97-DDC2AD6A4206@ebji.org> Message-ID: <9B5F0A95-A692-4F97-A26C-C98498B78EF8@cortig.net> On 16 janv. 2009, at 16:13, Daniel Israel wrote: > > Does anybody here know of a good program to capture video in OSX? > I use SnapZ Pro and iShowU HD. I like iShowU? I know flip4Mac also has an application like that, Corentin From aglee at mac.com Fri Jan 16 15:26:33 2009 From: aglee at mac.com (Andy Lee) Date: Fri Jan 16 15:26:54 2009 Subject: Video Capture program In-Reply-To: <03184FCB-3C1F-494A-9A97-DDC2AD6A4206@ebji.org> References: <03184FCB-3C1F-494A-9A97-DDC2AD6A4206@ebji.org> Message-ID: I've only used it to capture video, but I really like ScreenFlow and I believe it is designed for the kind of voice-annotated tutorial you describe. --Andy On Jan 16, 2009, at 5:13 PM, Daniel Israel wrote: > > Does anybody here know of a good program to capture video in OSX? > > I am looking to make a video tutorial and want to capture what I'm > doing (on the desktop) while explaining it with microphone. > > Any help appreciated. Thanks. > > -D. Israel > dan@ebji.org > http://www.customcodebydan.com > AIM: JudoDanIzz > > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-talk mailing list > MacOSX-talk@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-talk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /mailman/archive/macosx-talk/attachments/20090116/a4d85472/attachment.html From sroebuck at mac.com Fri Jan 16 15:40:18 2009 From: sroebuck at mac.com (Scott Roebuck) Date: Fri Jan 16 15:40:28 2009 Subject: Video Capture program In-Reply-To: <03184FCB-3C1F-494A-9A97-DDC2AD6A4206@ebji.org> References: <03184FCB-3C1F-494A-9A97-DDC2AD6A4206@ebji.org> Message-ID: ScreenFlow is a good product... most of what Telestream does is good. www.telestream.net/screen-flow/overview.htm I use iShowU... you would be surprised at the features... I would go with the HD Pro version... www.shinywhitebox.com Some people like Snapz Pro... Snapz Pro X | Ambrosia Software, Inc. Scott On Jan 16, 2009, at 2:13 PM, Daniel Israel wrote: > > Does anybody here know of a good program to capture video in OSX? > > I am looking to make a video tutorial and want to capture what I'm > doing (on the desktop) while explaining it with microphone. > > Any help appreciated. Thanks. > > -D. Israel > dan@ebji.org > http://www.customcodebydan.com > AIM: JudoDanIzz > > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-talk mailing list > MacOSX-talk@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-talk - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - No trees were killed in the sending of this message. 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I have another Mac Pro (with less memory) that displays the contents of directories in column view much faster than my new one, but it is running 10.4.11. I can't believe that Leopard is noticeably slower at redrawing the screen than Tiger, though perhaps I have some setting turned on or off that was not available (or was set differently) on my Tiger machine. Our computer support person thought he solved the problem, but it's still there in some cases. If I click on the Finder window and then choose View/Show View Options from the menu bar, the option for Show Icon Preview was originally selected and he turned that off. It seemed to help in many cases, but there are still some folders where I click on the icon and it pauses for a second before displaying the contents. I know it sounds minor, but it is really irritating when you are used to the contents being displayed immediately. The folders look empty at first, and then they finally fill in. Is there some other option that I need to turn on or off? I would be grateful for any help you can provide. Thanks, Gregg From pheski at gwi.net Fri Jan 16 16:06:31 2009 From: pheski at gwi.net (Peter Elias) Date: Fri Jan 16 16:06:36 2009 Subject: Video Capture program In-Reply-To: <03184FCB-3C1F-494A-9A97-DDC2AD6A4206@ebji.org> References: <03184FCB-3C1F-494A-9A97-DDC2AD6A4206@ebji.org> Message-ID: <0AE0F95D-44EB-433B-BA94-811D6E18C4B5@gwi.net> Screenflow: http://www.telestream.net/screen-flow/overview.htm P On Jan 16, 2009, at 5:13 PM, Daniel Israel wrote: > > Does anybody here know of a good program to capture video in OSX? > > I am looking to make a video tutorial and want to capture what I'm > doing (on the desktop) while explaining it with microphone. > > Any help appreciated. Thanks. > > -D. Israel > dan@ebji.org > http://www.customcodebydan.com > AIM: JudoDanIzz > > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-talk mailing list > MacOSX-talk@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-talk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /mailman/archive/macosx-talk/attachments/20090116/cb82d700/attachment.html From kcall at mac.com Fri Jan 16 16:20:52 2009 From: kcall at mac.com (Kevin Callahan) Date: Fri Jan 16 16:20:55 2009 Subject: Video Capture program In-Reply-To: <03184FCB-3C1F-494A-9A97-DDC2AD6A4206@ebji.org> References: <03184FCB-3C1F-494A-9A97-DDC2AD6A4206@ebji.org> Message-ID: <8A076875-35BC-4C7F-9B51-FF6AA0366D0E@mac.com> On Jan 16, 2009, at 2:13 PM, Daniel Israel wrote: > > Does anybody here know of a good program to capture video in OSX? > > I am looking to make a video tutorial and want to capture what I'm > doing (on the desktop) while explaining it with microphone. > > Any help appreciated. Thanks. I've been been using (and loving) iShowU HD --- www.shinywhitebox.com Kevin > > -D. Israel > dan@ebji.org > http://www.customcodebydan.com > AIM: JudoDanIzz > > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-talk mailing list > MacOSX-talk@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-talk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /mailman/archive/macosx-talk/attachments/20090116/5ebf8fa6/attachment.html From kremels at kreme.com Fri Jan 16 16:20:52 2009 From: kremels at kreme.com (LuKreme) Date: Fri Jan 16 16:20:56 2009 Subject: 'Number of recent items' setting In-Reply-To: <3F154CD0-352F-4634-8F98-6047E649C3D9@autonomy.caltech.edu> References: <3F154CD0-352F-4634-8F98-6047E649C3D9@autonomy.caltech.edu> Message-ID: <7EAA25F8-C42E-43DE-BFBE-C3C48F9AA1C6@kreme.com> On 15-Jan-2009, at 13:16, Jonathon Kuo wrote: > Across the board, every Cocoa app on my 10.5.6 systems only show me > the last 10 recent documents (TextEdit, Xcode, etc). In Sys Prefs -> > Appearance I have 50 set for the number of recent items, but this > setting is ignored and I still only get 10. Does this setting work > for anybody? Hmm... It works in the Finder, and in Mail, and in BBedit, and in Safari. Are these "Cocoa" apps? How about Skype, iPhoto, and ?Torrent? -- Advance and attack! Attack and destroy! 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Does this setting work >> for anybody? > > I did a very quick test using TextEdit to open files. The System > Preference setting only affected the Recent items in my system-wide > Apple menu, not TextEdit. I have 50 items in the Recent apps in TextEdit as well. And the recent docs. And the recent servers. 10.5.6 -- Advance and attack! Attack and destroy! Destroy and rejoice! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/pkcs7-signature Size: 2417 bytes Desc: not available Url : /mailman/archive/macosx-talk/attachments/20090116/0a3a4e6b/smime.bin From kremels at kreme.com Fri Jan 16 16:26:25 2009 From: kremels at kreme.com (LuKreme) Date: Fri Jan 16 16:26:27 2009 Subject: 'Repair Permissions' question In-Reply-To: References: <634B4E8B-73C2-459B-8A42-5E5B8FCD0639@mac.com> Message-ID: <803B4962-C4A7-4C4F-AF85-21B0E8ADF34E@kreme.com> On 16-Jan-2009, at 08:34, Rudolf O. Durrer wrote: > Am 14.01.2009 um 16.19 schrieb Justin C. Walker: >> Warning: SUID file "System/Library/Filesystems/AppleShare/afpLoad" >> has been modified and will not be repaired. >> Warning: SUID file "usr/bin/setregion" has been modified and will >> not be repaired. >> Warning: SUID file "System/Library/PrivateFrameworks/ >> Install.framework/Versions/A/Resources/runner" has been modified >> and will not be repaired. >> Warning: SUID file "System/Library/Printers/IOMs/LPRIOM.plugin/ >> Contents/MacOS/LPRIOMHelper" has been modified and will not be >> repaired. > > I have sometimes the same phenomenon in the German version of Leo > and have questioned about it a few months ago, but unfortunately > with no reply Did either of you try Google? first hit: which leads to > Resolution > > You can safely ignore these messages. They are accurate but not a > cause for concern. (some of the files involved are slightly different with 10.5.6 than with 10.5.0, but the resolution is the same). -- Advance and attack! Attack and destroy! Destroy and rejoice! From aglee at mac.com Fri Jan 16 16:39:40 2009 From: aglee at mac.com (Andy Lee) Date: Fri Jan 16 16:39:44 2009 Subject: 'Number of recent items' setting In-Reply-To: References: <3F154CD0-352F-4634-8F98-6047E649C3D9@autonomy.caltech.edu> <05443861-B8C6-44C7-8095-36813394FB7A@mac.com> Message-ID: On Jan 16, 2009, at 7:22 PM, LuKreme wrote: > On 15-Jan-2009, at 13:34, Andy Lee wrote: [...] >> I did a very quick test using TextEdit to open files. The System >> Preference setting only affected the Recent items in my system-wide >> Apple menu, not TextEdit. > > I have 50 items in the Recent apps in TextEdit as well. And the > recent docs. And the recent servers. In TextEdit, are you looking in (Apple) -> Recent Items, or File -> Open Recent? --Andy From kremels at kreme.com Fri Jan 16 16:51:30 2009 From: kremels at kreme.com (LuKreme) Date: Fri Jan 16 16:51:33 2009 Subject: Video Capture program In-Reply-To: <03184FCB-3C1F-494A-9A97-DDC2AD6A4206@ebji.org> References: <03184FCB-3C1F-494A-9A97-DDC2AD6A4206@ebji.org> Message-ID: On 16-Jan-2009, at 15:13, Daniel Israel wrote: > Does anybody here know of a good program to capture video in OSX? I know two. iMovie and iMovie HD > I am looking to make a video tutorial and want to capture what I'm > doing (on the desktop) while explaining it with microphone. Ah... that is not "video capture". I've seen this done with SnapzPro most often. You probably want to google for "mac os x screen capture video" or something. -- Advance and attack! Attack and destroy! Destroy and rejoice! From kremels at kreme.com Fri Jan 16 16:52:35 2009 From: kremels at kreme.com (LuKreme) Date: Fri Jan 16 16:52:38 2009 Subject: 'Number of recent items' setting In-Reply-To: References: <3F154CD0-352F-4634-8F98-6047E649C3D9@autonomy.caltech.edu> <05443861-B8C6-44C7-8095-36813394FB7A@mac.com> Message-ID: <37189F1B-3590-4E99-B27A-98F7420A9C96@kreme.com> On 16-Jan-2009, at 17:39, Andy Lee wrote: > On Jan 16, 2009, at 7:22 PM, LuKreme wrote: >> On 15-Jan-2009, at 13:34, Andy Lee wrote: > [...] >>> I did a very quick test using TextEdit to open files. The System >>> Preference setting only affected the Recent items in my system- >>> wide Apple menu, not TextEdit. >> >> I have 50 items in the Recent apps in TextEdit as well. And the >> recent docs. And the recent servers. > > In TextEdit, are you looking in (Apple) -> Recent Items, or File -> > Open Recent? Apple -> Recent Items. that's what the preference is for. -- Advance and attack! Attack and destroy! Destroy and rejoice! From aglee at mac.com Fri Jan 16 17:06:02 2009 From: aglee at mac.com (Andy Lee) Date: Fri Jan 16 17:06:06 2009 Subject: 'Number of recent items' setting In-Reply-To: <37189F1B-3590-4E99-B27A-98F7420A9C96@kreme.com> References: <3F154CD0-352F-4634-8F98-6047E649C3D9@autonomy.caltech.edu> <05443861-B8C6-44C7-8095-36813394FB7A@mac.com> <37189F1B-3590-4E99-B27A-98F7420A9C96@kreme.com> Message-ID: <2648CB4A-9777-4C4D-9968-77DFA25C121E@mac.com> On Jan 16, 2009, at 7:52 PM, LuKreme wrote: > On 16-Jan-2009, at 17:39, Andy Lee wrote: >> On Jan 16, 2009, at 7:22 PM, LuKreme wrote: >>> On 15-Jan-2009, at 13:34, Andy Lee wrote: >> [...] >>>> I did a very quick test using TextEdit to open files. The System >>>> Preference setting only affected the Recent items in my system- >>>> wide Apple menu, not TextEdit. >>> >>> I have 50 items in the Recent apps in TextEdit as well. And the >>> recent docs. And the recent servers. >> >> In TextEdit, are you looking in (Apple) -> Recent Items, or File -> >> Open Recent? > > Apple -> Recent Items. that's what the preference is for. I think Jonathan was asking if it should affect applications' Open Recent menus. It's clear by now the answer is no. --Andy From newslists at autonomy.caltech.edu Fri Jan 16 17:34:02 2009 From: newslists at autonomy.caltech.edu (Jonathon Kuo) Date: Fri Jan 16 17:34:06 2009 Subject: 'Number of recent items' setting In-Reply-To: <7EAA25F8-C42E-43DE-BFBE-C3C48F9AA1C6@kreme.com> References: <3F154CD0-352F-4634-8F98-6047E649C3D9@autonomy.caltech.edu> <7EAA25F8-C42E-43DE-BFBE-C3C48F9AA1C6@kreme.com> Message-ID: On Jan 16, 2009, at 4:20 PM, LuKreme wrote: > On 15-Jan-2009, at 13:16, Jonathon Kuo wrote: >> Across the board, every Cocoa app on my 10.5.6 systems only show me >> the last 10 recent documents (TextEdit, Xcode, etc). In Sys Prefs - >> > Appearance I have 50 set for the number of recent items, but this >> setting is ignored and I still only get 10. Does this setting work >> for anybody? > > Hmm... It works in the Finder, and in Mail, and in BBedit, and in > Safari. Are these "Cocoa" apps? Huh? Finder and Mail don't even have a recent items menu item. > I have 50 items in the Recent apps in TextEdit as well. And the > recent docs. And the recent servers. > "50 items in the Recent apps in TextEdit"?? What are you talking about? I was hoping/expecting the Sys Prefs setting would affect the Cocoa apps default recent items to be 50. From wiswp at niue.nu Fri Jan 16 17:41:00 2009 From: wiswp at niue.nu (Bill Wisse) Date: Fri Jan 16 17:41:09 2009 Subject: pause when displaying directory contents in Finder columns In-Reply-To: <71BCF3B3-FFD2-4210-9728-5BA53315E69C@niehs.nih.gov> References: <71BCF3B3-FFD2-4210-9728-5BA53315E69C@niehs.nih.gov> Message-ID: <7FD2150B-BB52-4FD5-ACD6-E4C0C0A4EFCB@niue.nu> On 16/01/2009, at 12:51 PM, Gregg Dinse wrote: > Hi, > > I have a new Mac Pro running 10.5.6. I like to use Column View in > the Finder. When I click on a directory, there is a slight pause > before the contents are displayed. I have not seen this on my other > macs, so I am trying to figure out what is causing it. Have an Intel 24 inch iMac with the latest Leopard and experienced this as well. It also happens when I click on print in a program. There is a delay before the box drops down. I don't know what the problem is either. Greetings from /bill at 169 west , 19 south. Disclaimer: Any errors in spelling, tact, or fact are transmission errors From scott at cocoadoc.com Fri Jan 16 20:13:04 2009 From: scott at cocoadoc.com (Scott Anguish) Date: Fri Jan 16 20:13:08 2009 Subject: Video Capture program In-Reply-To: References: <03184FCB-3C1F-494A-9A97-DDC2AD6A4206@ebji.org> Message-ID: <56ABE693-D76E-4644-82C9-0D439B8ABFAB@cocoadoc.com> I've used a bunch of these when working on various documentation efforts. ScreenFlow is by far the best one I've found as far as complete integration into a workflow. On 16-Jan-09, at 6:26 PM, Andy Lee wrote: > I've only used it to capture video, but I really like ScreenFlow and > I believe it is designed for the kind of voice-annotated tutorial > you describe. > > --Andy > > On Jan 16, 2009, at 5:13 PM, Daniel Israel wrote: > >> >> Does anybody here know of a good program to capture video in OSX? >> >> I am looking to make a video tutorial and want to capture what I'm >> doing (on the desktop) while explaining it with microphone. From kremels at kreme.com Sat Jan 17 12:43:25 2009 From: kremels at kreme.com (LuKreme) Date: Sat Jan 17 12:43:28 2009 Subject: 'Number of recent items' setting In-Reply-To: References: <3F154CD0-352F-4634-8F98-6047E649C3D9@autonomy.caltech.edu> <7EAA25F8-C42E-43DE-BFBE-C3C48F9AA1C6@kreme.com> Message-ID: On 16-Jan-2009, at 18:34, Jonathon Kuo wrote: > "50 items in the Recent apps in TextEdit"?? What are you talking > about? I was hoping/expecting the Sys Prefs setting would affect the > Cocoa apps default recent items to be 50. The system pref affects the SYSTEM setting for recent apps/docs/server. -- Advance and attack! Attack and destroy! Destroy and rejoice! From trash127 at free.fr Tue Jan 20 04:17:55 2009 From: trash127 at free.fr (Trash is empty) Date: Tue Jan 20 04:37:07 2009 Subject: Strange Problem with Mail Message-ID: <375D06FF-2EFF-466B-8061-B3248BA35161@free.fr> Hi everybody, For a few weeks, some user got some strange problem with mail : the sender of the email is not the correct one. If I quit mail and remove the "enveloppe file", mail rebuilt the internal databasen, and then display the correct sender for each mail. But the problem can occur again? A lot of users have this problem, but it seem it happened to users using both an imac, and an ibook with a portable home directory. All imac use network home folder, running 10.5.6 or 10.5.5. Server is an XServe, under 10.4.11. OpenDirectory and DNS are OK. User using iBook got Portable Home Directory. Syncing Policy for PHD : Home, except Trash, /Library/Application Support/SyncService, Library/Printers, DSStore, Library/Caches, item staring with IMAP-, and loginwindows preferences. Is anybody got this annoying problem ? Guillaume From kremels at kreme.com Tue Jan 20 11:13:38 2009 From: kremels at kreme.com (LuKreme) Date: Tue Jan 20 11:13:42 2009 Subject: Strange Problem with Mail In-Reply-To: <375D06FF-2EFF-466B-8061-B3248BA35161@free.fr> References: <375D06FF-2EFF-466B-8061-B3248BA35161@free.fr> Message-ID: <62B89327-E55D-45AB-95D1-47DBC9F0C5F7@kreme.com> You might want to post this to the admin list instead. From newslists at autonomy.caltech.edu Wed Jan 21 15:10:14 2009 From: newslists at autonomy.caltech.edu (Jonathon Kuo) Date: Wed Jan 21 15:10:21 2009 Subject: Retaining track info when burning audio CDs in iTunes Message-ID: <10517182-6D55-4581-AFB8-9C7900C136A7@autonomy.caltech.edu> When burning an audio CD from tracks in iTunes, is there a way to burn the CD so that the track info (like titles) are preserved? Whenever I burn a CD from tracks in iTunes, the CD just shows up as "Track 01", "Track 02", etc. From arno at alum.wpi.edu Wed Jan 21 15:19:11 2009 From: arno at alum.wpi.edu (Arno Hautala) Date: Wed Jan 21 15:19:13 2009 Subject: Retaining track info when burning audio CDs in iTunes In-Reply-To: <10517182-6D55-4581-AFB8-9C7900C136A7@autonomy.caltech.edu> References: <10517182-6D55-4581-AFB8-9C7900C136A7@autonomy.caltech.edu> Message-ID: <6adc49070901211519k2db43fb4i97cd4d066a76b1ab@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 18:10, Jonathon Kuo wrote: > When burning an audio CD from tracks in iTunes, is there a way to burn the > CD so that the track info (like titles) are preserved? Whenever I burn a CD > from tracks in iTunes, the CD just shows up as "Track 01", "Track 02", etc. You see that in iTunes or on your CD player? iTunes should keep a record of discs you've burned and display the information. iTunes cannot, however, burn CD-TEXT which would enable other CD players to display the information. For that you need an alternate burning program such as Toast. -- -- -- arno s hautala /-\ arno@alum.wpi.edu -- -- From mailinglists at MailNewsRSS.com Thu Jan 22 08:17:04 2009 From: mailinglists at MailNewsRSS.com (Jason Todd Slack-Moehrle) Date: Thu Jan 22 09:17:10 2009 Subject: Bootcamp Help Message-ID: Hi All, I have a February 2008 Mac Book. Currently I have a BootCamp partition running Vista for some development. I dont like Vista. It is slow (even with a ton of stuff turned off), User Access Control is dumb, I turn it off and it annoys me with security risks, pop up balloons, etc. Can I run XP on this model MacBook? Will the drivers from my OS X install media support XP? Thanks, -Jason From matthew.penna at gmail.com Thu Jan 22 11:03:44 2009 From: matthew.penna at gmail.com (Matt Penna) Date: Thu Jan 22 11:03:55 2009 Subject: Bootcamp Help In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49E7E298-1A57-4E54-873A-528565B6BAAD@gmail.com> On Jan 22, 2009, at 11:17 AM, Jason Todd Slack-Moehrle wrote: > Hi All, > > I have a February 2008 Mac Book. Currently I have a BootCamp > partition running Vista for some development. I dont like Vista. > [...] > Can I run XP on this model MacBook? Will the drivers from my OS X > install media support XP? XP should run on any Mac that supports boot camp, so you'll be fine. I run XP on my Mac Pro (about the same age as your Macbook) and it works as expected. XP is officially supported by boot camp on all Macs, so the install CD has all the drivers you'll need. Incidentally, add me to the "Vista stinks" club. I really don't know what they were thinking. -Matt From newslists at autonomy.caltech.edu Thu Jan 22 12:25:50 2009 From: newslists at autonomy.caltech.edu (Jonathon Kuo) Date: Thu Jan 22 12:25:54 2009 Subject: Retaining track info when burning audio CDs in iTunes In-Reply-To: <6adc49070901211519k2db43fb4i97cd4d066a76b1ab@mail.gmail.com> References: <10517182-6D55-4581-AFB8-9C7900C136A7@autonomy.caltech.edu> <6adc49070901211519k2db43fb4i97cd4d066a76b1ab@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9DF0DE18-FAFE-4C4A-A549-6D653409476D@autonomy.caltech.edu> On Jan 21, 2009, at 3:19 PM, Arno Hautala wrote: > On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 18:10, Jonathon Kuo > wrote: >> When burning an audio CD from tracks in iTunes, is there a way to >> burn the >> CD so that the track info (like titles) are preserved? Whenever I >> burn a CD >> from tracks in iTunes, the CD just shows up as "Track 01", "Track >> 02", etc. > > You see that in iTunes or on your CD player? iTunes should keep a > record of discs you've burned and display the information. iTunes > cannot, however, burn CD-TEXT which would enable other CD players to > display the information. For that you need an alternate burning > program such as Toast. Okay, I tried this with Toast 9 Titanium, selecting CD-TEXT and preserving all the track/title/artist names, etc. Everything looks fine when burning, but when you insert the CD into iTunes or a CD player, it still mounts as "Audio CD" with nameless tracks "Track 01" "Track 02"... Am I overlooking something, or will I have to resort to using Nero? From arno at alum.wpi.edu Thu Jan 22 14:06:22 2009 From: arno at alum.wpi.edu (Arno Hautala) Date: Thu Jan 22 14:06:26 2009 Subject: Retaining track info when burning audio CDs in iTunes In-Reply-To: <9DF0DE18-FAFE-4C4A-A549-6D653409476D@autonomy.caltech.edu> References: <10517182-6D55-4581-AFB8-9C7900C136A7@autonomy.caltech.edu> <6adc49070901211519k2db43fb4i97cd4d066a76b1ab@mail.gmail.com> <9DF0DE18-FAFE-4C4A-A549-6D653409476D@autonomy.caltech.edu> Message-ID: <6adc49070901221406v51d33141nc9130367c402441d@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 15:25, Jonathon Kuo wrote: > > Okay, I tried this with Toast 9 Titanium, selecting CD-TEXT and preserving > all the track/title/artist names, etc. Everything looks fine when burning, > but when you insert the CD into iTunes or a CD player, it still mounts as > "Audio CD" with nameless tracks "Track 01" "Track 02"... Am I overlooking > something, or will I have to resort to using Nero? As far as I'm aware that should be it. iTunes may not be capable of reading CD-TEXT, though I thought it was able. If burning isn't successful with Toast, I doubt Nero will fare any better. Can you try the discs in a CD-TEXT enabled reader? Most after market car stereos are, many factory installed systems are as well. -- -- -- arno s hautala /-\ arno@alum.wpi.edu -- -- From mailinglists at MailNewsRSS.com Thu Jan 22 14:56:30 2009 From: mailinglists at MailNewsRSS.com (Jason Todd Slack-Moehrle) Date: Thu Jan 22 14:56:35 2009 Subject: Bootcamp Help In-Reply-To: <49E7E298-1A57-4E54-873A-528565B6BAAD@gmail.com> References: <49E7E298-1A57-4E54-873A-528565B6BAAD@gmail.com> Message-ID: <997F281D-22B2-41A1-B7FC-43C007B9A497@MailNewsRSS.com> Matt, >> Can I run XP on this model MacBook? Will the drivers from my OS X >> install media support XP? > > XP should run on any Mac that supports boot camp, so you'll be fine. > I run XP on my Mac Pro (about the same age as your Macbook) and it > works as expected. Thank you, I am going to be reinstalling now.....Yay! > Incidentally, add me to the "Vista stinks" club. I really don't know > what they were thinking. I hope their "next" version is better, but I am not holding my breath. Now if I could just write Windows C++ apps without ever touching windows..(well maybe to test....) -Jason From kremels at kreme.com Thu Jan 22 14:46:22 2009 From: kremels at kreme.com (LuKreme) Date: Thu Jan 22 14:57:36 2009 Subject: Bootcamp Help In-Reply-To: <49E7E298-1A57-4E54-873A-528565B6BAAD@gmail.com> References: <49E7E298-1A57-4E54-873A-528565B6BAAD@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Jan 22, 2009, at 12:03, Matt Penna wrote: > On Jan 22, 2009, at 11:17 AM, Jason Todd Slack-Moehrle > wrote: > >> Hi All, >> >> I have a February 2008 Mac Book. Currently I have a BootCamp >> partition running Vista for some development. I dont like Vista. >> [...] >> Can I run XP on this model MacBook? Will the drivers from my OS X >> install media support XP? > > XP should run on any Mac that supports boot camp, so you'll be fine. > I run XP on my Mac Pro (about the same age as your Macbook) and it > works as expected. XP is officially supported by boot camp on all > Macs, so the install CD has all the drivers you'll need. > > Incidentally, add me to the "Vista stinks" club. That said, Windows 7 is, dare I say, rather good. From sglewis at me.com Thu Jan 22 18:07:38 2009 From: sglewis at me.com (Scott Lewis) Date: Thu Jan 22 18:07:41 2009 Subject: Bootcamp Help References: <3926065D-DDF4-4764-8D47-48B88CEABE81@mac.com> Message-ID: <5AB39322-3401-4F89-8C54-DCB2E69DB260@me.com> On Jan 22, 2009, at 5:46 PM, LuKreme wrote: > That said, Windows 7 is, dare I say, rather good. It sure is - been playing with the beta at work a bit. Reviewers are right - MUCH faster, and slightly less annoying. Interesting, I didn't notice this since I only care from a business software compatibility point of view, but will check tomorrow at work. Mossberg reports that Microsoft is removing Mail, Calendar, Photo Gallery, Movie Maker and Address Book all things that are standard in Vista. Heck, Mail (well Outlook Express at least) and Movie Maker are around since XP days. I would love to see (once Windows 7 hits release) Apple jump all over this in their TV spots. Sure you can't burn DVDs in XP or Vista or do photo slideshows, but now you can't even edit or upload your video without buying or downloading extra software. Just what Joe Consumer wants! From kremels at kreme.com Fri Jan 23 08:51:07 2009 From: kremels at kreme.com (LuKreme) Date: Fri Jan 23 08:51:10 2009 Subject: OS X and crontab/LaunchAgent Message-ID: I've had the following in my crontab for quite a while now. It's stopped working recently: $ crontab -l */1 * * * * $HOME/bin/randsig $ cat $HOME/bin/randsig #!/bin/sh osascript \ -e "set myname to system attribute \"USER\"" \ -e "set shellscpt to \"ps -c -U \" & myname & \" | awk '/Mail/ {print \$4}'\""\ -e "set myMail to do shell script \"echo\" & space & (quoted form of shellscpt) & space & \"| /bin/bash\" " \ -e "if myMail = \"Mail\" then "\ -e " set fortune to do shell script \"/opt/local/bin/fortune /Users/ syth/mysigs\""\ -e " tell application \"Mail\" to set content of signature \"Fortune \" to \"-- \" & return & fortune"\ -e "end if" ===EOF Running the randisg script manually works just fine. Console reports: 23-Jan-09 09:32:00 com.apple.launchd[1] (0x413250.cron[999]) Could not setup Mach task special port 9: (os/kern) no access which is the same message OS X has been logging about cron for years now. So, I think to myself, Fine, let's try setting up a launchservice. cat ~/Library/LaunchAgents/com.kreme.home.randsig.plist Label com.kreme.home.randsig ProgramArguments /Users/kreme/bin/randsig StartInterval 15 ===EOF And.... nothing. So I try setting it up in Lingon which produces the same exact LaunchAgent file (other than its spacing) and still nothing. Fine, I read a little and finally: $ launchctl load com.kreme.home.randsig.plist $ launchctl start com.kreme.home.randsig $ launchctl list | grep kreme - 1 com.kreme.home.randsig $ And yet, still nothing. The signature is only changed when i drop to the CLI and type in ~/bin/randsig Console now shows a lot more errors: 23-Jan-09 09:45:23 osascript[1274] SessionGetInfo(0x6214a0) -> -2147417855 23-Jan-09 09:45:23 osascript[1274] SessionGetInfo(0x6214a0) -> -2147417855 23-Jan-09 09:45:23 com.kreme.home.randsig[1273] 334:396: 23-Jan-09 09:45:23 com.kreme.home.randsig[1273] execution error: Application isn?t running. (-600) 23-Jan-09 09:45:23 com.apple.launchd[183] (com.kreme.home.randsig[1273]) Exited with exit code: 1 23-Jan-09 09:45:38 osascript[1282] SessionGetInfo(0x6214a0) -> -2147417855 So, I'm stumped. -- I find Windows of absolutely no technical interest... Mac OS X is a rock -solid system that's beautifully designed. I much prefer it to Linux. -- Bill Joy From kremels at kreme.com Fri Jan 23 09:07:28 2009 From: kremels at kreme.com (LuKreme) Date: Fri Jan 23 09:07:31 2009 Subject: Retaining track info when burning audio CDs in iTunes In-Reply-To: <10517182-6D55-4581-AFB8-9C7900C136A7@autonomy.caltech.edu> References: <10517182-6D55-4581-AFB8-9C7900C136A7@autonomy.caltech.edu> Message-ID: On 21-Jan-2009, at 16:10, Jonathon Kuo wrote: > When burning an audio CD from tracks in iTunes, is there a way to > burn the CD so that the track info (like titles) are preserved? > Whenever I burn a CD from tracks in iTunes, the CD just shows up as > "Track 01", "Track 02", etc. An AUDIO CD must have the tracks named "Track 01" "Track 02", etc. There is a Audio CD format known as "CD-TEXT" which puts another file on the CD that contains album and track information. Many current/ recent CD players understand CD-TEXT, but not all. Also, there are apparently some variances in the CD-TEXT 'standard' and even a player that supports it may not support the variant that iTunes uses. If it really matters to you, use Toast. When you burn a CD in iTunes, you can have it include this CD-TEXT file (there is a checkbox on the burn dialog if you are burning an audio CD). I don't know if iTunes will READ the CD-Text when importing, I would not be surprised either way. -- I find Windows of absolutely no technical interest... Mac OS X is a rock -solid system that's beautifully designed. I much prefer it to Linux. -- Bill Joy From kremels at kreme.com Fri Jan 23 09:11:46 2009 From: kremels at kreme.com (LuKreme) Date: Fri Jan 23 09:11:48 2009 Subject: Bootcamp Help In-Reply-To: <5AB39322-3401-4F89-8C54-DCB2E69DB260@me.com> References: <3926065D-DDF4-4764-8D47-48B88CEABE81@mac.com> <5AB39322-3401-4F89-8C54-DCB2E69DB260@me.com> Message-ID: <42905539-FFBE-4B42-998E-E9DEB261B428@kreme.com> On 22-Jan-2009, at 19:07, Scott Lewis wrote: > On Jan 22, 2009, at 5:46 PM, LuKreme wrote: >> That said, Windows 7 is, dare I say, rather good. > > It sure is - been playing with the beta at work a bit. Reviewers are > right - MUCH faster, and slightly less annoying. I'm running it on spectacularly crappy iron (Sempron 2200 w/ 1GB) and it's fine. WMP still can't play video at all, but VLC works fine. It's about the same speedwise as XP, but so far no crashing! (unless I let the machine hibernate, in which case it will *not* wake up. Still, I am confident they will muck it up by release date... > Interesting, I didn't notice this since I only care from a business > software compatibility point of view, but will check tomorrow at > work. Mossberg reports that Microsoft is removing Mail, Calendar, > Photo Gallery, Movie Maker and Address Book all things that are > standard in Vista. Well, removing Mail would make the machine more secure.... and this fits in with the "security is pissing off the customer until his eyes bleed" meme that MSFT seems to love... > Heck, Mail (well Outlook Express at least) and Movie Maker are > around since XP days. Wasn't Outlook Express in Windows 98 and Me as well? -- I find Windows of absolutely no technical interest... Mac OS X is a rock -solid system that's beautifully designed. I much prefer it to Linux. -- Bill Joy From mailinglists at MailNewsRSS.com Fri Jan 23 09:17:16 2009 From: mailinglists at MailNewsRSS.com (Jason Todd Slack-Moehrle) Date: Fri Jan 23 09:24:02 2009 Subject: Parallels to BootCamp? Message-ID: <21172623-4215-48D5-B484-CA8968374063@MailNewsRSS.com> Hi All, Does anyone know how I can take a Parallels Virtual machine and get it on my BootCamp partition? I have a VM that works for me and I dont want to have to re-create it. Thanks, -Jason From lists at toddwarfel.com Fri Jan 23 09:28:48 2009 From: lists at toddwarfel.com (Todd Zaki Warfel) Date: Fri Jan 23 10:05:48 2009 Subject: Parallels to BootCamp? In-Reply-To: <21172623-4215-48D5-B484-CA8968374063@MailNewsRSS.com> References: <21172623-4215-48D5-B484-CA8968374063@MailNewsRSS.com> Message-ID: <991066A2-4CAE-4F98-91DF-D76DD743E8B1@toddwarfel.com> I think it only works the other way-Bootcamp>Parallels. 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URL: /mailman/archive/macosx-talk/attachments/20090123/9f67027d/attachment.html From matthew.penna at gmail.com Fri Jan 23 10:10:39 2009 From: matthew.penna at gmail.com (Matt Penna) Date: Fri Jan 23 10:10:43 2009 Subject: Bootcamp Help In-Reply-To: <42905539-FFBE-4B42-998E-E9DEB261B428@kreme.com> References: <3926065D-DDF4-4764-8D47-48B88CEABE81@mac.com> <5AB39322-3401-4F89-8C54-DCB2E69DB260@me.com> <42905539-FFBE-4B42-998E-E9DEB261B428@kreme.com> Message-ID: On Jan 23, 2009, at 12:11 PM, LuKreme wrote: >> Heck, Mail (well Outlook Express at least) and Movie Maker are >> around since XP days. > > Wasn't Outlook Express in Windows 98 and Me as well? It was indeed. And prior to that, Windows 95 and Windows NT 4 included a mail program called "Microsoft Exchange," later renamed "Windows Messaging" when it hit version 4.0 in order to avoid confusion with the recently-introduced Exchange Server. Windows Messaging was then subsequently changed back to Microsoft Exchange with version 5. The calendar program was called "Schedule Plus" (Schedule+), though I believe that had to be installed separately. I think. It's been a while. Let's leave the past dead and buried. :) I have played with the Windows 7 beta a bit and they seem to have cleaned up a number of the issues with Vista. I'm beginning to wonder if Microsoft originated Intel's "tick-tock" release strategy (where a completely new product is followed up after about 18 months with modest, evolutionary changes), only MS messed it up: They have a reasonably decent product release (Windows 3, 98, XP) followed by something crap-tacular (Windows 95, ME, Vista). I think MS is stuck and they really have no idea what to do. There are no more customers for them to peel off from any other vendors, so they are now competing pretty much exclusively with older versions of their own products, as well as with Apple in the OS space, and they're losing on both fronts. Their new products are huge, slow, and not only don't solve any real problems, but often take steps backward. Vista is awful compared to XP (which itself is not that great). Forget about comparing it to OS X. Windows 7 could still stink and people will hail it as the greatest release ever simply because everything is relative; the only marketing slogan you need is, "It's not Vista." The same thing happened with Windows 2000 ("It's much more stable than NT 4!") and Windows XP ("It won't crash like 98! And Windows ME was junk from the beginning. Dump it!"). Apple does a good job of enticing customers to upgrade their operating system and iLife by introducing fairly major features that mom and dad can get excited about. MS needs to stop confusing their customers and bring out software that adds meaningful, useful, or at least marketable features. Microsoft seems quite skilled at snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. With some of their releases, they are close to having a good product, but you look at a few of their design decisions and say, "LOL. Wut?" I sometimes say this about Apple as well, but it's not nearly endemic. They seem to have a corporate culture problem over there in Redmond. Not an easy thing to fix by any stretch of the imagination. Matt, a recovering Windows sysadmin From matthew.penna at gmail.com Fri Jan 23 10:16:41 2009 From: matthew.penna at gmail.com (Matt Penna) Date: Fri Jan 23 10:16:46 2009 Subject: Parallels to BootCamp? In-Reply-To: <21172623-4215-48D5-B484-CA8968374063@MailNewsRSS.com> References: <21172623-4215-48D5-B484-CA8968374063@MailNewsRSS.com> Message-ID: <7921A142-3185-4E31-B055-54F95D612A40@gmail.com> On Jan 23, 2009, at 12:17 PM, Jason Todd Slack-Moehrle wrote: > Hi All, > > Does anyone know how I can take a Parallels Virtual machine and get > it on my BootCamp partition? I have a VM that works for me and I > dont want to have to re-create it. > Jason, I haven't tried this myself, but there is a thread about it on the Parallels forums. Skip past the 48-step post and try the procedure in the last post in the thread, first: http://forum.parallels.com/showthread.php?t=10145 You'll need Acronis, which should have come with Parallels. Basically you need to use system images to move your stuff, and it may not work without some coaxing. Good luck! Matt From kremels at kreme.com Fri Jan 23 10:20:44 2009 From: kremels at kreme.com (LuKreme) Date: Fri Jan 23 10:20:47 2009 Subject: Parallels to BootCamp? In-Reply-To: <21172623-4215-48D5-B484-CA8968374063@MailNewsRSS.com> References: <21172623-4215-48D5-B484-CA8968374063@MailNewsRSS.com> Message-ID: <16E4AC35-E397-4E39-B114-41156E0FC495@kreme.com> On 23-Jan-2009, at 10:17, Jason Todd Slack-Moehrle wrote: > Does anyone know how I can take a Parallels Virtual machine and get > it on my BootCamp partition? I have a VM that works for me and I > dont want to have to re-create it. both Parallels and VM Ware now support running off the BootCamp partition. this si a relatively new feature for Parallels, and I've never actually used it. -- The person on the other side was a young woman. Very obviously a young woman. There was no possible way that she could have been mistaken for a young man in any language, especially Braille. From kcall at mac.com Fri Jan 23 11:58:16 2009 From: kcall at mac.com (Kevin Callahan) Date: Fri Jan 23 11:58:19 2009 Subject: gerbv darwin ports - Gerber CAD stuff under X11 and Leopard Message-ID: <8AB56487-4269-4DB5-B6F8-AAC565D4CF56@mac.com> anybody running this stuff on Leopard (X11) ? a friend is having some trouble with it http://gerbv.darwinports.com/ http://mac.softpedia.com/get/Graphics/Gerbv.shtml Thanks K -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /mailman/archive/macosx-talk/attachments/20090123/3057aef4/attachment.html From jeff at JeffWeinberger.com Fri Jan 23 12:57:24 2009 From: jeff at JeffWeinberger.com (Jeff Weinberger) Date: Fri Jan 23 13:29:05 2009 Subject: OS X and crontab/LaunchAgent In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I've had these issues occasionally with Lingon. I'm not sure exactly how to solve it, but so far what I do that seems to work is log in as root (or 'su') and manually create the .plist (with vi or something like it). Then load it. For launchagents that run at set intervals (as yours appear to be) launchctl start isn't relevant. My experience is that this is usually a user/owner/permissions issue which is why being root overcomes it, despite the obvious security risk. I don't know exactly what that log entry means, but it appears to be trying to bind to port 9, which requires root permissions. Not sure if any of that helps, but I hope so... --Jeff On Jan 23, 2009, at 8:51 AM, LuKreme wrote: > I've had the following in my crontab for quite a while now. It's > stopped working recently: > > $ crontab -l > */1 * * * * $HOME/bin/randsig > $ cat $HOME/bin/randsig > #!/bin/sh > > osascript \ > -e "set myname to system attribute \"USER\"" \ > -e "set shellscpt to \"ps -c -U \" & myname & \" | awk '/Mail/ > {print \$4}'\""\ > -e "set myMail to do shell script \"echo\" & space & (quoted form > of shellscpt) & space & \"| /bin/bash\" " \ > -e "if myMail = \"Mail\" then "\ > -e " set fortune to do shell script \"/opt/local/bin/fortune /Users/ > syth/mysigs\""\ > -e " tell application \"Mail\" to set content of signature \"Fortune > \" to \"-- \" & return & fortune"\ > -e "end if" > ===EOF > > Running the randisg script manually works just fine. > > Console reports: > 23-Jan-09 09:32:00 com.apple.launchd[1] (0x413250.cron[999]) Could > not setup Mach task special port 9: (os/kern) no access > > which is the same message OS X has been logging about cron for years > now. > > So, I think to myself, Fine, let's try setting up a launchservice. > > cat ~/Library/LaunchAgents/com.kreme.home.randsig.plist > > "> > > > Label > com.kreme.home.randsig > ProgramArguments > > /Users/kreme/bin/randsig > > StartInterval > 15 > > > ===EOF > > And.... nothing. > > So I try setting it up in Lingon which produces the same exact > LaunchAgent file (other than its spacing) and still nothing. Fine, I > read a little and finally: > > $ launchctl load com.kreme.home.randsig.plist > $ launchctl start com.kreme.home.randsig > $ launchctl list | grep kreme > - 1 com.kreme.home.randsig > $ > > And yet, still nothing. The signature is only changed when i drop > to the CLI and type in ~/bin/randsig > > Console now shows a lot more errors: > > 23-Jan-09 09:45:23 osascript[1274] SessionGetInfo(0x6214a0) -> > -2147417855 > 23-Jan-09 09:45:23 osascript[1274] SessionGetInfo(0x6214a0) -> > -2147417855 > 23-Jan-09 09:45:23 com.kreme.home.randsig[1273] 334:396: > 23-Jan-09 09:45:23 com.kreme.home.randsig[1273] execution error: > Application isn?t running. (-600) > 23-Jan-09 09:45:23 com.apple.launchd[183] > (com.kreme.home.randsig[1273]) Exited with exit code: 1 > 23-Jan-09 09:45:38 osascript[1282] SessionGetInfo(0x6214a0) -> > -2147417855 > > So, I'm stumped. > > -- > I find Windows of absolutely no technical interest... Mac OS X is a > rock -solid system that's beautifully designed. I much prefer > it to Linux. -- Bill Joy > > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-talk mailing list > MacOSX-talk@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-talk -------------- next part -------------- Success is the ability to go from failure to failure without losing your enthusiasm. -Sir Winston Leonard Spenser Churchill From kremels at kreme.com Fri Jan 23 15:46:10 2009 From: kremels at kreme.com (LuKreme) Date: Fri Jan 23 15:46:14 2009 Subject: OS X and crontab/LaunchAgent In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 23-Jan-2009, at 13:57, Jeff Weinberger wrote: > I've had these issues occasionally with Lingon. > > I'm not sure exactly how to solve it, but so far what I do that seems > to work is log in as root (or 'su') and manually create the .plist > (with vi or something like it). Then load it. That's what I did the first time. I mean, not as root, this file is in ~/Library/LaunchAgents/. I only tried Lingon after this didn't work. > My experience is that this is usually a user/owner/permissions issue > which is why being root overcomes it, despite the obvious security > risk. Er.... ok, but files in ~/Library/LaunchAgents SHOULD be owned by me, not root. > I don't know exactly what that log entry means, but it appears to be > trying to bind to port 9, which requires root permissions. Apple broke something in cron or crontab a while back (10.5.0) that generates this error. As far as I know, no one really knows why this error claims to be trying to bind to port 9 (which is the null port). I suspect that something internal is redirecting to null instead of to /dev/null. However, that error is much older than the recent behavior of it simply not working. This task fired off happily every minute for many months before suddenly not working. -- The person on the other side was a young woman. Very obviously a young woman. There was no possible way that she could have been mistaken for a young man in any language, especially Braille. From bentley at crenelle.com Fri Jan 23 16:03:51 2009 From: bentley at crenelle.com (Michael Brian Bentley) Date: Fri Jan 23 16:03:59 2009 Subject: Parallels to BootCamp? In-Reply-To: <16E4AC35-E397-4E39-B114-41156E0FC495@kreme.com> References: <21172623-4215-48D5-B484-CA8968374063@MailNewsRSS.com> <16E4AC35-E397-4E39-B114-41156E0FC495@kreme.com> Message-ID: I have Vista in a partition that I on occasion use with either Bootcamp or VMware. Under VMware, it's agonizing. From sglewis at me.com Fri Jan 23 21:05:19 2009 From: sglewis at me.com (Scott G. Lewis) Date: Fri Jan 23 21:05:23 2009 Subject: Bootcamp Help In-Reply-To: <42905539-FFBE-4B42-998E-E9DEB261B428@kreme.com> References: <3926065D-DDF4-4764-8D47-48B88CEABE81@mac.com> <5AB39322-3401-4F89-8C54-DCB2E69DB260@me.com> <42905539-FFBE-4B42-998E-E9DEB261B428@kreme.com> Message-ID: <46F5CFC4-0ECF-4DD7-9DDF-8A49ED72EE06@me.com> On Jan 23, 2009, at 12:11 PM, LuKreme wrote: > Still, I am confident they will muck it up by release date... For sure.. > Wasn't Outlook Express in Windows 98 and Me as well? Yep, I meant more Movie Maker which was an XP addition. The whole thing is weird. Pre-Vista they add email and movie editing. Vista added a newer mail program, plus calendar, address book, photo editing, and now with 7 it's ALL gone! Apparently they will have some stuff available through live.com integration, but wow... people went ballistic when iMovie 08 removed many goodies in iMovie HD that we're just now getting back. Imagine you woke up, signed for your UPS delivery of your brand new laptop and found out that Apple removed Address Book, iCal, Mail.app, iMovie, iDVD, iPhoto and said "some of that's at MobileMe now". From glennc at mac.com Fri Jan 23 22:24:25 2009 From: glennc at mac.com (Glenn Carnagey) Date: Fri Jan 23 22:24:37 2009 Subject: Bootcamp Help In-Reply-To: <46F5CFC4-0ECF-4DD7-9DDF-8A49ED72EE06@me.com> References: <3926065D-DDF4-4764-8D47-48B88CEABE81@mac.com> <5AB39322-3401-4F89-8C54-DCB2E69DB260@me.com> <42905539-FFBE-4B42-998E-E9DEB261B428@kreme.com> <46F5CFC4-0ECF-4DD7-9DDF-8A49ED72EE06@me.com> Message-ID: Two words: Ray 0zzie. I think this next version will pleasantly surprise many who are fed up with MS OS nonsense. He didn't work under a pirate flag, but he's a kindred spirit. g./ On Jan 23, 2009, at 11:05 PM, "Scott G. Lewis" wrote: > On Jan 23, 2009, at 12:11 PM, LuKreme wrote: > >> Still, I am confident they will muck it up by release date... > > For sure.. > >> Wasn't Outlook Express in Windows 98 and Me as well? > > Yep, I meant more Movie Maker which was an XP addition. The whole > thing is weird. Pre-Vista they add email and movie editing. Vista > added a newer mail program, plus calendar, address book, photo > editing, and now with 7 it's ALL gone! Apparently they will have > some stuff available through live.com integration, but wow... people > went ballistic when iMovie 08 removed many goodies in iMovie HD that > we're just now getting back. Imagine you woke up, signed for your > UPS delivery of your brand new laptop and found out that Apple > removed Address Book, iCal, Mail.app, iMovie, iDVD, iPhoto and said > "some of that's at MobileMe now". > > > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-talk mailing list > MacOSX-talk@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-talk From poetman13 at comcast.net Sat Jan 24 03:16:09 2009 From: poetman13 at comcast.net (Michael Nickerson) Date: Sat Jan 24 03:16:47 2009 Subject: OS X and crontab/LaunchAgent In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <191510A3-F553-4D4D-9F71-43C5B8571154@comcast.net> On Jan 23, 2009, at 11:51 AM, LuKreme wrote: > > Console now shows a lot more errors: > > 23-Jan-09 09:45:23 osascript[1274] SessionGetInfo(0x6214a0) -> > -2147417855 > 23-Jan-09 09:45:23 osascript[1274] SessionGetInfo(0x6214a0) -> > -2147417855 > 23-Jan-09 09:45:23 com.kreme.home.randsig[1273] 334:396: > 23-Jan-09 09:45:23 com.kreme.home.randsig[1273] execution error: > Application isn?t running. (-600) > 23-Jan-09 09:45:23 com.apple.launchd[183] > (com.kreme.home.randsig[1273]) Exited with exit code: 1 > 23-Jan-09 09:45:38 osascript[1282] SessionGetInfo(0x6214a0) -> > -2147417855 > It looks like it can't find an application. I know, you're only targeting Mail specifically, and you have it wrapped in an if line, so I'm not sure *what* it can't find, but that seems to be what it's saying. You might want to try adding "on run" and "end on run" to the beginning/end of your block. If that doesn't help, you can turn on some Apple Event debugging and look at the output between when you run it and when launchd runs it to see what's different. Change your script to: AEDebugSends=1 AEDebugReceives=1 osascript \ Doing that will print out the raw Apple Events that are being sent and received. If an error is happening in the Apple Event portion, you'll probably get a more verbose error description. You'll probably want to run it manually in the terminal once to see what the output looks like when it runs fine, and then wait for whenever launchd runs it and look in the console for what it shows then. -------------------------------------- Darkshadow (aka Michael Nickerson) http://www.nightproductions.net From gnwiii at gmail.com Sat Jan 24 04:55:31 2009 From: gnwiii at gmail.com (George N. White III) Date: Sat Jan 24 04:55:33 2009 Subject: Bootcamp Help In-Reply-To: <5AB39322-3401-4F89-8C54-DCB2E69DB260@me.com> References: <3926065D-DDF4-4764-8D47-48B88CEABE81@mac.com> <5AB39322-3401-4F89-8C54-DCB2E69DB260@me.com> Message-ID: <22af238a0901240455n7b40f1bk719f9d32f08357c8@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 10:07 PM, Scott Lewis wrote: > On Jan 22, 2009, at 5:46 PM, LuKreme wrote: > >> That said, Windows 7 is, dare I say, rather good. > > It sure is - been playing with the beta at work a bit. Reviewers are right - > MUCH faster, and slightly less annoying. Interesting, I didn't notice this > since I only care from a business software compatibility point of view, but > will check tomorrow at work. Mossberg reports that Microsoft is removing > Mail, Calendar, Photo Gallery, Movie Maker and Address Book all things that > are standard in Vista. Heck, Mail (well Outlook Express at least) and Movie > Maker are around since XP days. Win7 was originally created to compete with linux in netbook/mininote space, so it needs much lighter weight apps or browser based tools. I'm not sure if MS has decided to push Win7 as an XP upgrade that doesn't require a hardware upgrade. There are many large organizations using XP on systems that are 5+years old. The plan called for those systems to be replaced with new systems running Vista. Now those organizations are saying they will to keep systems for 7 years instead of 5. MS really needs something to sell this year, but there is a big difference between selling an OS as an upgrade to old hardware and selling it preinstalled on new hardware. Upgrade on existing hardware means you have to use the existing XP device drivers, while for preinstalls the vendors will provide new device drivers. Many vendors had to scramble to get out XP drivers when customers started downgrading from Vista to XP, so they won't be happy about putting resources into making hardware they sold over 5 years ago run a new OS. I expect the major hardware vendors have made it clear to MS that they are not interested in supporting Win7 on older hardware. MS requires hardware makers to test their device drivers on Win7 to receive certification for Vista, so they are coercing vendors to ensure that what works with Vista will work with Win7. "Beginning with the first beta of Windows 7 all Windows Vista submissions must inclue [sic] a complete CPK with test logs from Windows 7. The test logs generated are note [sic] required to pass." (was this done in a hurry or what?) > I would love to see (once Windows 7 hits release) Apple jump all over this > in their TV spots. Sure you can't burn DVDs in XP or Vista or do photo > slideshows, but now you can't even edit or upload your video without buying > or downloading extra software. Just what Joe Consumer wants! 1. netbooks don't have optical drives. 2. for years people have complained about MS bundling of user apps -- now they should be happy -- George N. White III Head of St. Margarets Bay, Nova Scotia From sglewis at me.com Sat Jan 24 09:54:04 2009 From: sglewis at me.com (Scott G. Lewis) Date: Sat Jan 24 09:54:09 2009 Subject: Bootcamp Help In-Reply-To: <22af238a0901240455n7b40f1bk719f9d32f08357c8@mail.gmail.com> References: <3926065D-DDF4-4764-8D47-48B88CEABE81@mac.com> <5AB39322-3401-4F89-8C54-DCB2E69DB260@me.com> <22af238a0901240455n7b40f1bk719f9d32f08357c8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <69D9BEB8-E51B-4464-B47F-F8FC074752E1@me.com> On Jan 24, 2009, at 7:55 AM, George N. White III wrote: > Win7 was originally created to compete with linux in netbook/mininote > space, so it needs much lighter weight apps or browser based tools. Regardless of what the original intent was, it's now slated to replace Vista and as such will need to have comparable features for consumers. That said, there's a (free) download called Windows Live Essentials which includes the photo gallery, movie maker, mail, calendar, and other 'removed' apps. > I'm not sure if MS has decided to push Win7 as an XP upgrade that > doesn't > require a hardware upgrade. There are many large organizations using > XP on systems that are 5+years old. The plan called for those systems > to be replaced with new systems running Vista. Now those > organizations Large organizations with 5 year old systems really aren't concerned with facing hardware upgrades - it's been planned for already. This is a bigger issue with smaller companies. > will provide new device drivers. Many vendors had to scramble to get > out XP drivers when customers started downgrading from Vista to XP, > so they won't be happy about putting resources into making hardware > they sold over 5 years ago run a new OS. Machines bought "Vista-ready" will be 7 ready given the overwhelmingly positive reviews about device compatibility. I just don't think Dell, HP or Microsoft cares if your 5 year old desktop can do it, although early reviews are pretty darn favorable anyway. MS makes their money on volume licensing to corporations and vendor pre-loads. If corporations begin to volume license again and consumers stop "downgrading" then not only do sales increase - but support lessons since they can drop XP security updates sooner and Vista and 7 share the same kernel making updates easier, and they stop losing mindshare with all the reports of how bad their OS is. > I expect the major hardware vendors have made it clear to MS that > they are not interested in supporting Win7 on older hardware. MS > requires hardware makers to test their device drivers on Win7 > to receive certification for Vista, so they are coercing vendors to > ensure that what works with Vista will work with Win7. GOOD! I hate when it works the other way, when you have a not-so-old printer with no drivers. > 1. netbooks don't have optical drives. > > 2. for years people have complained about MS bundling of user apps > -- now they > should be happy Sorry George - who cares if netbooks have optical drives? Whatever this OS was going to be, it's now going to be the replacement for Vista, and will be showing up on higher end netbooks, plus all forms of notebooks and desktops. And believe me, average consumers want bundled software. Just like we all love preloaded iLife on our Macs. From kremels at kreme.com Sat Jan 24 11:16:59 2009 From: kremels at kreme.com (LuKreme) Date: Sat Jan 24 11:17:02 2009 Subject: OS X and crontab/LaunchAgent In-Reply-To: <191510A3-F553-4D4D-9F71-43C5B8571154@comcast.net> References: <191510A3-F553-4D4D-9F71-43C5B8571154@comcast.net> Message-ID: <31E48AB9-BF71-47CD-8A85-5DE7FCCED864@kreme.com> On 24-Jan-2009, at 04:16, Michael Nickerson wrote: > On Jan 23, 2009, at 11:51 AM, LuKreme wrote: >> Console now shows a lot more errors: >> >> 23-Jan-09 09:45:23 osascript[1274] SessionGetInfo(0x6214a0) -> >> -2147417855 >> 23-Jan-09 09:45:23 osascript[1274] SessionGetInfo(0x6214a0) -> >> -2147417855 >> 23-Jan-09 09:45:23 com.kreme.home.randsig[1273] 334:396: >> 23-Jan-09 09:45:23 com.kreme.home.randsig[1273] execution error: >> Application isn?t running. (-600) >> 23-Jan-09 09:45:23 com.apple.launchd[183] >> (com.kreme.home.randsig[1273]) Exited with exit code: 1 >> 23-Jan-09 09:45:38 osascript[1282] SessionGetInfo(0x6214a0) -> >> -2147417855 >> > > It looks like it can't find an application I know, you're only > targeting Mail specifically, and you have it wrapped in an if line, > so I'm not sure *what* it can't find, but that seems to be what it's > saying. But keep in mind it is ONLY saying this if the script is run from LaunchAgent. No such error occurs when it is run either manually or from cron. I added a touch $HOME/.sigruntime to the end of the script. Cron *IS* running the script. So, something in Applescript changed, probably in 10.5.6 or a recent security update, that prevents the osascript command from doing anything, but only when the script is run out of cron/LaunchAgent. I did set the randscript to call osascript by full path (/usr/bin/ osascript) with no change in behavior. > You might want to try adding "on run" and "end on run" to the > beginning/end of your block. Did that, the signature is still not set if I run the command from cron or a LaunchAgent. > If that doesn't help, you can turn on some Apple Event debugging and > look at the output between when you run it and when launchd runs it > to see what's different. Change your script to: > > AEDebugSends=1 AEDebugReceives=1 osascript \ > > Doing that will print out the raw Apple Events that are being sent > and received. Print them out where? The only difference that made was quadrupling the mach task errors 24-Jan-09 11:32:00 com.apple.launchd[1] (0x413050.cron[45022]) Could not setup Mach task special port 9: (os/kern) no access 24-Jan-09 11:32:00 com.apple.launchd[1] (0x413250.cron[45023]) Could not setup Mach task special port 9: (os/kern) no access 24-Jan-09 11:32:00 com.apple.launchd[1] (0x413450.cron[45024]) Could not setup Mach task special port 9: (os/kern) no access 24-Jan-09 11:32:00 com.apple.launchd[1] (0x413450.cron[45024]) Could not setup Mach task special port 9: (os/kern) no access 24-Jan-09 11:32:00 /usr/bin/osascript[45027] SessionGetInfo(0x6214a0) - > -2147417855 24-Jan-09 11:32:00 osascript[45026] SessionGetInfo(0x6214a0) -> -2147417855 > If an error is happening in the Apple Event portion, you'll > probably get a more verbose error description. You'll probably want > to run it manually in the terminal once to see what the output looks > like when it runs fine, zomg! that is a LOT of output. > and then wait for whenever launchd runs it and look in the console > for what it shows then. It's trying to launch postfix, which is not setup on this machine: 24-Jan-09 11:38:00 com.apple.launchd[1] (0x413550.cron[45202]) Could not setup Mach task special port 9: (os/kern) no access 24-Jan-09 11:38:00 com.apple.launchd[1] (0x413750.cron[45203]) Could not setup Mach task special port 9: (os/kern) no access 24-Jan-09 11:38:00 com.apple.launchd[1] (0x413950.cron[45204]) Could not setup Mach task special port 9: (os/kern) no access 24-Jan-09 11:38:00 com.apple.launchd[1] (org.postfix.master[45168]) Stray process with PGID equal to this dead job: PID 45171 PPID 1 cleanup 24-Jan-09 11:38:00 com.apple.launchd[1] (org.postfix.master[45168]) Stray process with PGID equal to this dead job: PID 45183 PPID 1 bounce 24-Jan-09 11:38:01 /usr/bin/osascript[45207] SessionGetInfo(0x6214a0) - > -2147417855 24-Jan-09 11:38:01 osascript[45206] SessionGetInfo(0x6214a0) -> -2147417855 Jan 24 11:54:01 cerebus postfix/local[45758]: 7FDB84AB45B: to=, relay=local, delay=0.01, delays=0.01/0/0/0, dsn=5.2.2, status=bounced (cannot update mailbox /var/mail/kreme for user kreme. error writing message: File too large) ok, sorted. it's writing to a local mailspool that, evidently, has a maximum size. deleted and the mail message that was sent is at Looking at a diff of those two, nothing jumps out at me. -- The person on the other side was a young woman. Very obviously a young woman. There was no possible way that she could have been mistaken for a young man in any language, especially Braille. From poetman13 at comcast.net Sat Jan 24 22:55:48 2009 From: poetman13 at comcast.net (Michael Nickerson) Date: Sat Jan 24 22:55:41 2009 Subject: OS X and crontab/LaunchAgent In-Reply-To: <31E48AB9-BF71-47CD-8A85-5DE7FCCED864@kreme.com> References: <191510A3-F553-4D4D-9F71-43C5B8571154@comcast.net> <31E48AB9-BF71-47CD-8A85-5DE7FCCED864@kreme.com> Message-ID: On Jan 24, 2009, at 2:16 PM, LuKreme wrote: > On 24-Jan-2009, at 04:16, Michael Nickerson wrote: >> >> It looks like it can't find an application I know, you're only >> targeting Mail specifically, and you have it wrapped in an if line, >> so I'm not sure *what* it can't find, but that seems to be what >> it's saying. > > But keep in mind it is ONLY saying this if the script is run from > LaunchAgent. No such error occurs when it is run either manually or > from cron. > > I added a touch $HOME/.sigruntime to the end of the script. Cron > *IS* running the script. So, something in Applescript changed, > probably in 10.5.6 or a recent security update, that prevents the > osascript command from doing anything, but only when the script is > run out of cron/LaunchAgent. > > I did set the randscript to call osascript by full path (/usr/bin/ > osascript) with no change in behavior. > Hmm, something might have changed - the output from when you ran it from cron indicates that the script thinks Mail isn't running. I don't think it has, though. I ran a small test script with both launchd and cron that output the name of the selected mail in Mail and it worked fine in both. >> >> If an error is happening in the Apple Event portion, you'll >> probably get a more verbose error description. You'll probably >> want to run it manually in the terminal once to see what the output >> looks like when it runs fine, > > zomg! that is a LOT of output. > Oh yeah. Forgot to mention that. Apparently, you can make it even more verbose by adding in AEDebugVerbose=1. For future reference, here's all the environment variables you can set: AEDebug=1 #General debug AEDebugSends=1 #For showing raw AE on sends AEDebugReceives=1 #For showing raw AE on receives AEDebugVerbose=1 #Prints out result info on (most) calls AEDebugOSL=1 #Prints result info from OSL AEDebugFile=/path/to/file #Sends output to this file (I've never actually gotten that last option to work, which is why I didn't mention it in the first email.) So, to turn it around, try changing your script up a bit. If you're not likely to copy it to a pre Leopard system at some future point, you can make it *really* short: osascript \ -e 'set myMail to application "Mail"' \ -e 'if myMail is running then' \ -e 'set fortune to do shell script "/opt/local/bin/fortune /Users/syth/ mysigs"' \ -e 'tell myMail to set content of signature "Fortune" to "-- " & return & fortune' \ -e 'end if' The running property is new in Leopard, but it really reduces what you need to do to see if an application is running. The longer, but backwards compatible version would be: osascript \ -e 'tell application "System Events"' \ -e 'try' \ -e 'set mailProc to process "Mail"' \ -e 'set isRunning to true' \ -e 'on error' \ -e 'set isRunning to false' \ -e 'end try' \ -e 'end tell' \ -e 'if isRunning then' \ -e 'set fortune to do shell script "/opt/local/bin/fortune /Users/syth/ mysigs"' \ -e 'tell application "Mail" to set content of signature "Fortune" to "-- " & return & fortune' \ -e 'end if' Hmm, I have a question for you here. I hadn't noticed until writing those out (seeing /Users/syth), but is the crontab you're running this from the same user Mail is running under? AppleScript won't go across user sessions (which might be new; I don't remember), so if you're running the script under one user but trying to access Mail running under a different one, that will definitely cause it to fail. Well, it'll go across user sessions if you run it as root... but I'd try to avoid that if at all possible. Also, you'd definitely need your first version of the script to have it work right - the above scripts would pick up any instance of Mail from any user and it'd be pure luck if it targeted the one you wanted it to. -------------------------------------- Darkshadow (aka Michael Nickerson) http://www.nightproductions.net From macsrwe at macsrwe.com Sun Jan 25 12:24:31 2009 From: macsrwe at macsrwe.com (Macs R We) Date: Sun Jan 25 12:24:37 2009 Subject: OS X and crontab/LaunchAgent In-Reply-To: <20090125195642.D5F2EAB7299@forums.omnigroup.com> References: <20090125195642.D5F2EAB7299@forums.omnigroup.com> Message-ID: <56478293-DD4B-46E7-B37A-0AEF064D8507@macsrwe.com> On Jan 25, 2009, at 12:56 PM, macosx-talk-request@omnigroup.com wrote: >> So, something in Applescript changed, >> probably in 10.5.6 or a recent security update, that prevents the >> osascript command from doing anything, but only when the script is >> run out of cron/LaunchAgent. > Hmm, something might have changed - the output from when you ran it > from cron indicates that the script thinks Mail isn't running. Maybe something changed in the launch facility. I've been running Tiger since I got my G4 PB. I added a simple pop3 task to launch qpopper, by putting a file named pop3 in /etc/xinetd.d with the appropriate contents. It worked fine for two years. As of a few months ago, it just stopped launching on login. I have to HUP xinetd every time I restart my machine, just to get it running, and then it runs fine for the rest of the boot session. I can't find anything obvious in the logs. Maybe these two problems are not at all connected; still, if somebody has a hint for me, I'd be grateful. -- Macs R We -- Personal Macintosh Service and Support in the Wickenburg and far Northwest Valley Areas. http://macsrwe.com From dinse at niehs.nih.gov Mon Jan 26 08:06:48 2009 From: dinse at niehs.nih.gov (Gregg Dinse) Date: Mon Jan 26 08:06:52 2009 Subject: missing weeks in iCal months Message-ID: Hi, I never noticed this problem before, and I just recently upgraded to 10.5.6, so perhaps the upgrade broke something in iCal. I was wondering if others have experienced the same thing. On the left side of the iCal window, I display as many months as fit easily, which in my case is 5 months. Typically the current day is highlighted in blue. I just looked and did not see any days highlighted. Then I looked closer and saw that the entire current week was missing! This seems to happen in the second month from the top, at least if it's longer than 4 rows. I like to keep the previous month displayed, so I have December at the top, and it looks correct -- there are 5 rows that display days 1-31. January only has 4 rows, and only displays days 1-24. Then there is a blank row. February only requires 4 rows, so it shows days 1-28, but then there is a blank row after the end of February. March is correct, with 5 rows showing days 1-31, but April has an extra row, showing days 1-9 of May! Do others see this if they display 5 months, starting with last December? If so, is this a known bug? If it's just me, do I somehow have a corrupt version of iCal? Thanks, Gregg From newslists at autonomy.caltech.edu Tue Jan 27 09:07:10 2009 From: newslists at autonomy.caltech.edu (Jonathon Kuo) Date: Tue Jan 27 09:07:13 2009 Subject: Bootcamp Help In-Reply-To: <69D9BEB8-E51B-4464-B47F-F8FC074752E1@me.com> References: <3926065D-DDF4-4764-8D47-48B88CEABE81@mac.com> <5AB39322-3401-4F89-8C54-DCB2E69DB260@me.com> <22af238a0901240455n7b40f1bk719f9d32f08357c8@mail.gmail.com> <69D9BEB8-E51B-4464-B47F-F8FC074752E1@me.com> Message-ID: <704D39CE-D0BF-4538-A3A4-43520ED5E680@autonomy.caltech.edu> On Jan 24, 2009, at 9:54 AM, Scott G. Lewis wrote: > Machines bought "Vista-ready" will be 7 ready given the > overwhelmingly positive reviews about device compatibility. I just > don't think Dell, HP or Microsoft cares if your 5 year old desktop > can do it, although early reviews are pretty darn favorable anyway. > MS makes their money on volume licensing to corporations and vendor > pre-loads. If corporations begin to volume license again and > consumers stop "downgrading" then not only do sales increase - but > support lessons since they can drop XP security updates sooner and > Vista and 7 share the same kernel making updates easier, and they > stop losing mindshare with all the reports of how bad their OS is. Any news on how Win7 fares with gaming? Major incompatibilities with a lot of games (DirectX 10 aside) is a big reason many I know are staying with XP. From kremels at kreme.com Tue Jan 27 09:47:12 2009 From: kremels at kreme.com (LuKreme) Date: Tue Jan 27 09:47:17 2009 Subject: Bootcamp Help In-Reply-To: <704D39CE-D0BF-4538-A3A4-43520ED5E680@autonomy.caltech.edu> References: <3926065D-DDF4-4764-8D47-48B88CEABE81@mac.com> <5AB39322-3401-4F89-8C54-DCB2E69DB260@me.com> <22af238a0901240455n7b40f1bk719f9d32f08357c8@mail.gmail.com> <69D9BEB8-E51B-4464-B47F-F8FC074752E1@me.com> <704D39CE-D0BF-4538-A3A4-43520ED5E680@autonomy.caltech.edu> Message-ID: <7FA19069-3198-4F9D-9499-2A00ECA3B4EB@kreme.com> On 27-Jan-2009, at 10:07, Jonathon Kuo wrote: > Any news on how Win7 fares with gaming? Major incompatibilities with > a lot of games (DirectX 10 aside) is a big reason many I know are > staying with XP. WoW runs fine under W7. Are there any other games? :) -- Passion is the pill you can swallow forever Taking them one by one One by One --Agents of Good Roots "Come On" From kcall at mac.com Tue Jan 27 12:22:10 2009 From: kcall at mac.com (Kevin Callahan) Date: Tue Jan 27 12:22:14 2009 Subject: AppleTV and Dolby 5.1 Message-ID: I've only bought one movie from iTunes (to play on my DUAL QUAD) .. and because the quality was so-so (not being hi def), I've not bought any since. Someone was asking me about AppleTV and Dolby 5.1. Are the hi def movies from Apple supporting Dobly 5.1 and if I'm not mistaken, AppleTV has a pass-through for Dobly 5.1, correct? for creating Dobly 5.1 content, I found this link: http://www.macseven.com/files/20080214_how_to_make_dolby_digital_content_for_your_appletv.html From andyring at inebraska.com Tue Jan 27 12:30:45 2009 From: andyring at inebraska.com (Andy Ringsmuth) Date: Tue Jan 27 12:40:48 2009 Subject: AppleTV and Dolby 5.1 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Jan 27, 2009, at 2:22 PM, Kevin Callahan wrote: > I've only bought one movie from iTunes (to play on my DUAL QUAD) .. > and because the quality was so-so (not being hi def), I've not > bought any since. > > Someone was asking me about AppleTV and Dolby 5.1. Are the hi def > movies from Apple supporting Dobly 5.1 and if I'm not mistaken, > AppleTV has a pass-through for Dobly 5.1, correct? > > for creating Dobly 5.1 content, I found this link: > http://www.macseven.com/files/20080214_how_to_make_dolby_digital_content_for_your_appletv.html That is correct. The AppleTV, courtesy the Take 2 update several months ago, handles Dolby Digital 5.1 just fine. Handbrake is about the best way to get content from your existing DVD library onto your AppleTV. I'm going through my DVD collection to get it into iTunes/ AppleTV. I've found that with good encoding settings in Handbrake, the resulting movies actually look BETTER than the DVD version. And, that way I don't have to worry about scratching discs and so on. -Andy From bob_stern at mac.com Wed Jan 28 00:47:39 2009 From: bob_stern at mac.com (Bob Stern) Date: Wed Jan 28 00:47:43 2009 Subject: Finder dragging disabled Message-ID: A problem I have with both Leopard and Tiger (both Intel and PPC) is that occasionally the Finder gets into a state in which dragging no longer works. You cannot drag an icon between windows or drag an icon within the sidebar of a Finder window. The problem can be cured by a restart. Merely force-quitting the Finder does not cure the problem. Does anyone know whether there is a fix that's less disruptive than a restart? Thanks! -- Bob Stern From kremels at kreme.com Wed Jan 28 06:25:23 2009 From: kremels at kreme.com (LuKreme) Date: Wed Jan 28 06:25:26 2009 Subject: OS X and crontab/LaunchAgent In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 23-Jan-2009, at 09:51, LuKreme wrote: > #!/bin/sh > > osascript \ > -e "set myname to system attribute \"USER\"" \ > -e "set shellscpt to \"ps -c -U \" & myname & \" | awk '/Mail/ > {print \$4}'\""\ > -e "set myMail to do shell script \"echo\" & space & (quoted form > of shellscpt) & space & \"| /bin/bash\" " \ > -e "if myMail = \"Mail\" then "\ > -e " set fortune to do shell script \"/opt/local/bin/fortune /Users/ > syth/mysigs\""\ > -e " tell application \"Mail\" to set content of signature \"Fortune > \" to \"-- \" & return & fortune"\ > -e "end if" At the suggestion of people on the applescript list I changed this all out to: if ps -U"$USER" -co command | grep Mail; then osascript -e 'tell application "Mail" to set content of signature "Fortune" to "-- " & return & (do shell script "/opt/local/bin/ fortune /Users/syth/mysigs")' fi Seems to be working. Set as a Launcagent it changes the sig every 15 seconds and only has the minor issue of logging "Mail" to console every time it does. 28-Jan-09 07:19:01 com.kreme.home.randsig[10656] Mail 28-Jan-09 07:19:01 com.kreme.home.randsig[10656] Mail 28-Jan-09 07:19:16 com.kreme.home.randsig[10662] Mail 28-Jan-09 07:19:16 com.kreme.home.randsig[10662] Mail 28-Jan-09 07:19:31 com.kreme.home.randsig[10673] Mail 28-Jan-09 07:19:31 com.kreme.home.randsig[10673] Mail I can live with that, I guess. Still no clue why the earlier version stopped working. The irony is that the new improved script is very nearly what I started with a year ago, and didn't work then. -- "Oh damn", said Maladict. From kremels at kreme.com Wed Jan 28 06:54:51 2009 From: kremels at kreme.com (LuKreme) Date: Wed Jan 28 06:54:53 2009 Subject: Finder dragging disabled In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 28-Jan-2009, at 01:47, Bob Stern wrote: > A problem I have with both Leopard and Tiger (both Intel and PPC) is > that occasionally the Finder gets into a state in which dragging no > longer works. You cannot drag an icon between windows or drag an > icon within the sidebar of a Finder window. Does anything show up in the Console when this happens? I've never seen this behavior and just recently rebooted my machine after 34 days (I had to apply firmware patches to my 2 Seagate 1.5TB drives. -- <[TN]FBMachine> i got kicked out of Barnes and Noble once for moving all the bibles into the fiction section From googurl at gmail.com Wed Jan 28 08:11:07 2009 From: googurl at gmail.com (Owen Zound) Date: Wed Jan 28 08:11:38 2009 Subject: Finder dragging disabled In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 12:47 AM -0800 1/28/09, Bob Stern wrote: >A problem I have with both Leopard and Tiger (both Intel and PPC) is >that occasionally the Finder gets into a state in which dragging no >longer works. You cannot drag an icon between windows or drag an >icon within the sidebar of a Finder window. > >The problem can be cured by a restart. Merely force-quitting the >Finder does not cure the problem. > >Does anyone know whether there is a fix that's less disruptive than a restart? Log out user? Does the issue affect all user accounts? Have you tried recreating Finder prefs? From david at idiomatrix.com Wed Jan 28 08:37:21 2009 From: david at idiomatrix.com (David Herren) Date: Wed Jan 28 09:37:26 2009 Subject: OS X and crontab/LaunchAgent In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: out of curiosity, why not just let mail randomly select from signatures instead of pulling them from an external file? I may have missed this early on in the thread, but I have 200+ signatures in mail and I've never had a problem with it using random selection. On Jan 28, 2009, at 9:25 AM, LuKreme wrote: > At the suggestion of people on the applescript list I changed this > all out to: > > if ps -U"$USER" -co command | grep Mail; then > osascript -e 'tell application "Mail" to set content of signature > "Fortune" to "-- " & return & (do shell script "/opt/local/bin/ > fortune /Users/syth/mysigs")' > fi > > Seems to be working. Set as a Launcagent it changes the sig every > 15 seconds and only has the minor issue of logging "Mail" to console > every time it does. /david -- david herren - shoreham, vt us na terra solsys orionarm Men and governments must act to the best of their ability. -John Stuart Mill (I guess that explains the mess Shrub has made of the US) From kremels at kreme.com Wed Jan 28 10:12:51 2009 From: kremels at kreme.com (LuKreme) Date: Wed Jan 28 10:12:55 2009 Subject: OS X and crontab/LaunchAgent In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3D746CC4-C4C0-4F44-9454-D49EFCDCCD6D@kreme.com> On 28-Jan-2009, at 09:37, David Herren wrote: > out of curiosity, why not just let mail randomly select from > signatures instead of pulling them from an external file? I may have > missed this early on in the thread, but I have 200+ signatures in > mail and I've never had a problem with it using random selection. First, and foremost, I find it much easier to add signatures to a plain text file than to muck about with Mail.app's interface for adding sigs, and then adding them to each of my mail accounts. Especially so when I want to add a whole bunch of sigs at once. Second, I use the same signature file, again via fortune, for USENET posts. Third, I can easily adapt that signature file to any other uses (it would still be able to give me random signature if, for example, I was ever to use Thunderbird). -- Ah, you're a Penguin too? Pilgrim, my son. Pilgrim. Yes, of the Hare Krishnas. Hairy Fishnuts. From bob_stern at mac.com Wed Jan 28 10:28:50 2009 From: bob_stern at mac.com (Bob Stern) Date: Wed Jan 28 10:28:55 2009 Subject: Finder dragging disabled Message-ID: >LuKreme wrote: > >Does anything show up in the Console when this happens? I've never >seen this behavior and just recently rebooted my machine after 34 >days I can go a week without it happening, but it can happen twice in one day. Console reported two red flags: 1. An OSAX installed by an obsolete version of TextSoap was causing errors in several applications upon launch of those apps. I deleted the OSAX. 2. Surprisingly, FileMaker Pro 8.5 generated a slew of memory leak reports. It only happened once. I'll have to watch for that. >Owen Zound wrote: > >Log out user? Does the issue affect all user accounts? Have you >tried recreating Finder prefs? It happens so infrequently that it's impractical to determine whether it would affect another user account. (There's only one account that gets used regularly.) If deleting the TextSoap OSAX doesn't solve the problem, I'll try deleting the Finder prefs next. Of course, logging out is an obvious thing to try, but restarting doesn't take much longer. The main inconvenience is losing the arrangement of documents I'm working on simultaneously in Acrobat and Nisus Writer Pro, which is equally inconvenient whether I restart or merely log out and in. Thanks to both of you for your advice! -- Bob Stern From kremels at kreme.com Wed Jan 28 11:06:35 2009 From: kremels at kreme.com (LuKreme) Date: Wed Jan 28 11:06:38 2009 Subject: Worst Apple Products Message-ID: <28914E1E-714D-47B6-B5E8-D522EB61FF76@kreme.com> Adam Engst wrote an article for Macworld on the six Worst Apple Products. I posted the following to the Tidbits talk list in response. Let the flamefest begin! Well, I was a bit disappointed with Adam's list of worst APple products, because it was really a list of FAILED Apple products, and the obligatory iMac mouse. I would have a very different list, sans mouse. Highlights include: OpenDoc/Cyberdog: While OpenDOC was a great idea, and Cyberdog was a wonderful USENET and email client, I would put this at the top of my list because its promise was never realised by Apple, and Cyberdog was largely abandon-ware from a few minutes after its release. Cyberdog did things that no other client did (or does), and it had huge potential promise, but Apple simply let it languish. It's still, as far as I know, the only Apple application that handled X-Face headers. Cyberdog could have been the basis for a superb OS X mail/news client (I always though its web-browser was misplaced though), and OpenDoc itself would have done very well if it had been brought over to OS X, especially if it had been able to integrate the CLI tools from the BSD layer. Can you imagine if you could setup mailfilters based on sed/awk and PCRE expressions? How about being able to filter your mail through bayes, demime, or any of a number of other tools right from within your mail application? Or being able to specify different editors for writing mail? Mmm... BBEdit editor... yum! I'm having trouble controlling my drool, excuse me while I get a napkin. :) Newton: Once again, a product that Apple never managed to figure out quite what to do with. At least here there were updates for a while, but the promise of the Newton was never realised and its handwriting technology has been dust-binned by Apple. Why is it not in the iPhone? Why is it not in OS X? People love the Newton, and rightly so, but as far as its stature as an Apple product, Apple failed us big time. The 4400: On this I agree with Adam. This was a horrible computer in all respects. Getting into it was a exercise in scratches, pliers, an astonishing amount of leverage (I swear, every I had to get into one I was certain I was going to break something). It also seemed to weigh about 4400 pounds. The only redeeming feature of my 4400 was the price tag: free. The Apple // compatibility card: Once again, a great deal of potential here was wasted. Had Apple made this an Apple //gs card instead, and more fully integrated it into MacOS, it could have been a real winner. As it was, it was little more than a switcher from Mac to Apple // with little, if any, communication between them. The 4718 different display connectors that Apple has used over the years. Egads, I though things would get better once Apple 'saw the light' and standardised on the DB-15, but nooo... every year or two, another connector. I've had three iBooks with three different connectors (well, one was a MacBook, but still...). OK, so 4718 is a slight exaggeration, and at least in recent history the different connectors mostly require just an adapter/dongle, but what do you do if you have a modern Mac and an old ADC display? Punt, that's what. The Apple //gs: One more product that Apple simply didn't know what to do with. In many ways, this was the first color Mac. Sure, it wasn't a Mac, but you know, it could/should have been. The machine that brought us ADB, a color GUI, full compatibility with the legacy Apple // software, loads of expansion options, and a ridiculous amount of RAM (I had *FOUR* Megabytes in mine!! FOUR! I knew people with **EIGHT**) should have become the bridge machine from the Apple // to the Mac, but Apple always saw these two machines are completely different, largely behaving as it it where two completely separate companies, Apple Computer and Mac Computer. Imagine if when Apple introduced the iPod they made no provisions for connecting it to your Mac? That's kind of what Apple did in the late 80's as it shrugged off the Apple // to concentrate on the Mac. So, I guess I am looking at the "Worst Apple Products" and focusing on *Apple* rather than *Products* because I still own my //gs, and I ran Cyberdog for several years after it was EOLed and I have always wanted a Newton; I still say that these are products were Apple failed us, even if the products did not. As for the iMac 'hockey puck' mouse, I used mine for several years with my iMac (which ran Quickbooks for my business after it was retired from being useful at home) and I never got people's issues with it. Sure, it was a mouse, and mice suck. All of them. But I liked it well enough. I never had any issue orienting it since the cord was always the 'top'. -- "Kill yourself and roll a rogue. We'll wait" From shawnce at gmail.com Wed Jan 28 12:13:47 2009 From: shawnce at gmail.com (Shawn Erickson) Date: Wed Jan 28 12:13:49 2009 Subject: Finder dragging disabled In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 10:28 AM, Bob Stern wrote: >> LuKreme wrote: >> >> Does anything show up in the Console when this happens? I've never seen >> this behavior and just recently rebooted my machine after 34 days > > I can go a week without it happening, but it can happen twice in one day. When it happens does copy and paste (drag and drop) work among/in other applications. -Shawn From kremels at kreme.com Wed Jan 28 12:14:08 2009 From: kremels at kreme.com (LuKreme) Date: Wed Jan 28 12:14:10 2009 Subject: Finder dragging disabled In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <95FDD0CB-61D2-4A4C-B58E-C08476D7EE42@kreme.com> On 28-Jan-2009, at 11:28, Bob Stern wrote: > 1. An OSAX installed by an obsolete version of TextSoap was causing > errors in several applications upon launch of those apps. I deleted > the OSAX. I would not be at all surprised if that was the cause. -- Tina... homecoming is spelled c *O* m From bill at cheeseman.name Wed Jan 28 12:17:46 2009 From: bill at cheeseman.name (Bill Cheeseman) Date: Wed Jan 28 12:17:59 2009 Subject: Worst Apple Products In-Reply-To: <28914E1E-714D-47B6-B5E8-D522EB61FF76@kreme.com> Message-ID: on 2009-01-28 2:06 PM, LuKreme at kremels@kreme.com wrote: > Newton: Once again, a product that Apple never managed to figure out > quite what to do with. At least here there were updates for a while, > but the promise of the Newton was never realised and its handwriting > technology has been dust-binned by Apple. Why is it not in the iPhone? > Why is it not in OS X? I was under the impression that Ink, which was in Mac OS X the last time I looked, is essentially the Newton handwriting recognition code. Of course, you normally don't see it if you don't have a tablet attached to your Mac. It worked fine with my Wacom tablet the last time I tried it. I did love my Newton. I pull it out of the closet and look at it every once in a while.... -- Bill Cheeseman - bill@cheeseman.name Quechee Software, Quechee, Vermont, USA www.quecheesoftware.com PreFab Software - www.prefabsoftware.com From bob_stern at mac.com Wed Jan 28 12:27:08 2009 From: bob_stern at mac.com (Bob Stern) Date: Wed Jan 28 12:27:12 2009 Subject: Finder dragging disabled In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: >Shawn Erickson wrote: > >When it happens does copy and paste (drag and drop) work among/in >other applications. I haven't noticed. In word processors I use cut and paste rather than dragging. I'll try to remember to test that if the problem recurs. (I hope I fixed it by deleting the osax I mentioned in my preceding post.) -- Bob Stern From kremels at kreme.com Wed Jan 28 12:38:11 2009 From: kremels at kreme.com (LuKreme) Date: Wed Jan 28 12:38:15 2009 Subject: Worst Apple Products In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <21482C03-0A52-47D7-8168-A3C52FFC927C@kreme.com> On 28-Jan-2009, at 13:17, Bill Cheeseman wrote: > on 2009-01-28 2:06 PM, LuKreme at kremels@kreme.com wrote: > >> Newton: Once again, a product that Apple never managed to figure out >> quite what to do with. At least here there were updates for a while, >> but the promise of the Newton was never realised and its handwriting >> technology has been dust-binned by Apple. Why is it not in the >> iPhone? >> Why is it not in OS X? > > I was under the impression that Ink, which was in Mac OS X the last > time I > looked, is essentially the Newton handwriting recognition code. Of > course, > you normally don't see it if you don't have a tablet attached to > your Mac. > It worked fine with my Wacom tablet the last time I tried it. Ink is a far cry from Rosetta/Mondello. I recall when we got Ink people hoping it was the return of Rosetta, but it wasn't. I have a Wacom tablet. I can't get Ink to recognize anything I write. Yes, my handwriting is kinda lousy, but really, it's not THAT lousy. -- "You can speak soon and write like a graduate college if me let you help for a day of 15 minutes" "1963" Issue #1 From david at idiomatrix.com Wed Jan 28 14:22:38 2009 From: david at idiomatrix.com (David Herren) Date: Wed Jan 28 14:22:42 2009 Subject: OS X and crontab/LaunchAgent In-Reply-To: <3D746CC4-C4C0-4F44-9454-D49EFCDCCD6D@kreme.com> References: <3D746CC4-C4C0-4F44-9454-D49EFCDCCD6D@kreme.com> Message-ID: Well, that makes sense. Thanks for the reply. On Jan 28, 2009, at 1:12 PM, LuKreme wrote: > First, and foremost, I find it much easier to add signatures to a > plain text file than to muck about with Mail.app's interface for > adding sigs, and then adding them to each of my mail accounts. > Especially so when I want to add a whole bunch of sigs at once. > > Second, I use the same signature file, again via fortune, for USENET > posts. > > Third, I can easily adapt that signature file to any other uses (it > would still be able to give me random signature if, for example, I > was ever to use Thunderbird). /david -- david herren - shoreham, vt us na terra solsys orionarm "He has no enemies, but is intensely disliked by his friends." --- Oscar Wilde From david at idiomatrix.com Wed Jan 28 14:28:49 2009 From: david at idiomatrix.com (David Herren) Date: Wed Jan 28 14:28:53 2009 Subject: Worst Apple Products In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1E628A25-B2DA-4115-90ED-918917308655@idiomatrix.com> I have both the first edition Newton _and_ the 2100MP (the last). I loved them both and often wondered why apple didn't make a phone card for the Newton--it wasn't that much bigger than the phones at that time... On Jan 28, 2009, at 3:17 PM, Bill Cheeseman wrote: > I did love my Newton. I pull it out of the closet and look at it > every once > in a while.... /david -- david herren - shoreham, vt us na terra solsys orionarm "I feel so miserable without you, it's almost like having you here." --- Stephen Bishop From kremels at kreme.com Wed Jan 28 15:47:43 2009 From: kremels at kreme.com (LuKreme) Date: Wed Jan 28 15:47:47 2009 Subject: Java? Message-ID: I have a java file that I downloaded. It is a .zip archive. It is supposed to be a Java app that runs under Leopard, but I haven't a clue how to launch it. The zip contains a couple hundred .class files (IDClass001.class - IDClass254.class) and then a single app.class file, a META-INF folder containing MANIFEST.MF and that's it. (I suspect I am supposed to just deal with the .zip file, but I can't get that to do anything either. all my other java stuff is in .jar files). -- If it wasn't for the pirates, I bet Star Wars: Ep III would have mad $50 million its first DAY! From lomion at gmail.com Wed Jan 28 15:53:35 2009 From: lomion at gmail.com (Lawrence Sica) Date: Wed Jan 28 15:53:44 2009 Subject: Java? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6778389C-31EB-4EE8-8933-4928BD4DDBD5@gmail.com> On Jan 28, 2009, at 6:47 PM, LuKreme wrote: > I have a java file that I downloaded. It is a .zip archive. It is > supposed to be a Java app that runs under Leopard, but I haven't a > clue how to launch it. > > The zip contains a couple hundred .class files (IDClass001.class - > IDClass254.class) and then a single app.class file, a META-INF > folder containing MANIFEST.MF and that's it. > > (I suspect I am supposed to just deal with the .zip file, but I > can't get that to do anything either. all my other java stuff is > in .jar files). > Sounds like it's a raw java archive that has not been jarred. you could cd into the dir and go jar -cf * then launch what is created. --Larry > -- > If it wasn't for the pirates, I bet Star Wars: Ep III would have > mad $50 million its first DAY! > > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-talk mailing list > MacOSX-talk@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-talk From shawnce at gmail.com Wed Jan 28 16:11:07 2009 From: shawnce at gmail.com (Shawn Erickson) Date: Wed Jan 28 16:11:09 2009 Subject: Java? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 3:47 PM, LuKreme wrote: > I have a java file that I downloaded. It is a .zip archive. It is supposed > to be a Java app that runs under Leopard, but I haven't a clue how to launch > it. > > The zip contains a couple hundred .class files (IDClass001.class - > IDClass254.class) and then a single app.class file, a META-INF folder > containing MANIFEST.MF and that's it. > > (I suspect I am supposed to just deal with the .zip file, but I can't get > that to do anything either. all my other java stuff is in .jar files). It sounds like it really is a jar but some how was delivered as a zip. Try just changing the file ending to .jar instead of .zip. JAR files are basically zip archives. -Shawn From r.o.durrer at durrer.org Thu Jan 29 02:38:01 2009 From: r.o.durrer at durrer.org (Rudolf O. Durrer) Date: Thu Jan 29 02:38:39 2009 Subject: missing weeks in iCal months In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Am 26.01.2009 um 17.06 schrieb Gregg Dinse: > Hi, > > ....... > > Do others see this if they display 5 months, starting with last > December? If so, is this a known bug? If it's just me, do I > somehow have a corrupt version of iCal? Mac Mini, OSX.5.6. I tried the display as you indicated. Everything was ok. 5 months displayed correctly, starting with Dec 08. All rows correct. regards Rudolf From kremels at kreme.com Thu Jan 29 03:44:53 2009 From: kremels at kreme.com (LuKreme) Date: Thu Jan 29 03:44:57 2009 Subject: Java? In-Reply-To: <6778389C-31EB-4EE8-8933-4928BD4DDBD5@gmail.com> References: <6778389C-31EB-4EE8-8933-4928BD4DDBD5@gmail.com> Message-ID: On 28-Jan-2009, at 16:53, Lawrence Sica wrote: > Sounds like it's a raw java archive that has not been jarred. you > could cd into the dir and go jar -cf * Command works, resulting .jar cannot be launched. I even wqent so far as to try: jar cvfm WiiPatcher.jar WiiPatcher/META-INF/MANIFEST.MF WiiPatcher/* which works, but the resulting file still cannot be launched. On 28-Jan-2009, at 17:11, Shawn Erickson wrote: > It sounds like it really is a jar but some how was delivered as a zip. > Try just changing the file ending to .jar instead of .zip. Should have mentioned that was the FIRST thing I tried. found the link here: which leads to here: The first person says they are running OS X Leopard, but gives no details on how they go the java app to run. -- ++?????++ Out of Cheese Error. Redo From Start. From jearle at gmail.com Thu Jan 29 04:03:37 2009 From: jearle at gmail.com (Jared Earle) Date: Thu Jan 29 04:03:41 2009 Subject: Java? In-Reply-To: References: <6778389C-31EB-4EE8-8933-4928BD4DDBD5@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5bbc0cd60901290403o7d354011k4033e5cac2a496ba@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 11:44 AM, LuKreme wrote: > found the link here: > > > which leads to here: > > The first person says they are running OS X Leopard, but gives no details on > how they go the java app to run. When I download that file in WebKit, it downloads as a .jar file that launches and runs. I suspect the download site doesn't understand mime-types. -- Jared Earle :: There is no SPORK jearle@gmail.com :: http://jearle.eu Hosting :: http://cat5.org Blog :: http://blog.23x.net From fusion at mx6.tiki.ne.jp Thu Jan 29 04:17:29 2009 From: fusion at mx6.tiki.ne.jp (Jean-Christophe Helary) Date: Thu Jan 29 04:17:46 2009 Subject: Java? In-Reply-To: <5bbc0cd60901290403o7d354011k4033e5cac2a496ba@mail.gmail.com> References: <6778389C-31EB-4EE8-8933-4928BD4DDBD5@gmail.com> <5bbc0cd60901290403o7d354011k4033e5cac2a496ba@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On jeudi 29 janv. 09, at 21:03, Jared Earle wrote: >> which leads to here: >> >> The first person says they are running OS X Leopard, but gives no >> details on >> how they go the java app to run. > > When I download that file in WebKit, it downloads as a .jar file that > launches and runs. I suspect the download site doesn't understand > mime-types. Here (yesterday's Webkit), it downloads as a .zip then uncompresses as a jar that works. Jean-Christophe Helary From steve at paper-ape.com Thu Jan 29 08:33:35 2009 From: steve at paper-ape.com (steve harley) Date: Thu Jan 29 08:33:40 2009 Subject: Finder dragging disabled In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4981DA5F.3070800@paper-ape.com> they whom i call Bob Stern wrote: > A problem I have with both Leopard and Tiger (both Intel and PPC) is > that occasionally the Finder gets into a state in which dragging no > longer works. You cannot drag an icon between windows or drag an icon > within the sidebar of a Finder window. i used to see that happen sometimes when System Events (a background process) crashed From bob_stern at mac.com Thu Jan 29 12:53:15 2009 From: bob_stern at mac.com (Bob Stern) Date: Thu Jan 29 12:53:32 2009 Subject: Finder dragging disabled In-Reply-To: <4981DA5F.3070800@paper-ape.com> References: <4981DA5F.3070800@paper-ape.com> Message-ID: >steve harley wrote: > >i used to see that happen sometimes when System Events (a background >process) crashed In Leopard, I don't see any such process. I do see: KernelEventAgent UserEventAgent SystemUIServer In any event, if the Finder dragging problem recurs, I'll try to remember to check whether each of those three processes is still running. I'll report any discoveries to the list. -- Bob Stern From dinse at niehs.nih.gov Thu Jan 29 13:02:08 2009 From: dinse at niehs.nih.gov (Gregg Dinse) Date: Thu Jan 29 13:02:16 2009 Subject: iCal problems -- missing rows in mini-month view Message-ID: Hi, I just filed a bug report about this. I have a Mac Pro and a PowerMac, both running 10.5.6, and I noticed a few bugs in iCal. I never noticed them in 10.5.5 and earlier, so I am thinking they were introduced with the 10.5.6 upgrade. I have my main iCal window set to Week view. On the left side, I display multiple months in the "mini-month view" (usually 5 or 6). Some months do not have enough rows to display all of their days. For example, if I have December 2008 at the top, it looks fine, but January 2009 is truncated -- there are only 4 rows, displaying only days 1-24. If I move ahead (i.e., click the right arrow) so that January is at the top, then I get 5 rows that display all 31 days of January. The most common spot for problems to occur seems to be the second month from the top, though some of the other spots also have problems. For example, I currently have April 2009 at the bottom and it has an extra (sixth) row, so that all 30 days of April are displayed, plus the first 9 days of May. Also, some months have a blank line above them (e.g., February in the image below), while most months do not. Another person at work noticed the same thing on his mac. If anyone wants to see what I am talking about, I would be glad to send an image (TIF) file. One person wrote to say that he did not have this problem. Do others have this problem? Gregg From kcall at mac.com Thu Jan 29 14:14:26 2009 From: kcall at mac.com (Kevin Callahan) Date: Thu Jan 29 14:14:30 2009 Subject: GarageBand '09 Message-ID: <0098BCC7-9D88-4F3D-8A7B-F7EECD93FC4B@mac.com> Kudo's to Apple ! once again, they've delivered beyond their promise. I installed iLife '09 this morning and am blown away with the new GarageBand! Not only GORGEOUS .. but powerful and a vastly improved interface ... killer new features! Kevin http://www.kevincallahan.org/ http://www.kevincallahan.org/software/accessorizer.html http://www.xeniamara.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /mailman/archive/macosx-talk/attachments/20090129/adc85ab5/attachment.html From kremels at kreme.com Thu Jan 29 14:19:15 2009 From: kremels at kreme.com (LuKreme) Date: Thu Jan 29 14:19:19 2009 Subject: Java? In-Reply-To: References: <6778389C-31EB-4EE8-8933-4928BD4DDBD5@gmail.com> <5bbc0cd60901290403o7d354011k4033e5cac2a496ba@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8192D796-A7E7-4480-8839-ABD35A2EDA6A@kreme.com> On 29-Jan-2009, at 05:17, Jean-Christophe Helary wrote: > On jeudi 29 janv. 09, at 21:03, Jared Earle wrote: >>> which leads to here: >>> >>> The first person says they are running OS X Leopard, but gives no >>> details on >>> how they go the java app to run. >> >> When I download that file in WebKit, it downloads as a .jar file that >> launches and runs. I suspect the download site doesn't understand >> mime-types. > > Here (yesterday's Webkit), it downloads as a .zip then uncompresses > as a jar that works. Interesting, It worked with Safari too. Waddayaknow. -- if you ever get that chimp of your back, if you ever find the thing you lack, ah but you know you're only having a laugh. Oh, oh here we go again -- until the end. From scott at cocoadoc.com Thu Jan 29 21:59:22 2009 From: scott at cocoadoc.com (Scott Anguish) Date: Thu Jan 29 21:59:29 2009 Subject: GarageBand '09 In-Reply-To: <0098BCC7-9D88-4F3D-8A7B-F7EECD93FC4B@mac.com> References: <0098BCC7-9D88-4F3D-8A7B-F7EECD93FC4B@mac.com> Message-ID: On 29-Jan-09, at 5:14 PM, Kevin Callahan wrote: > Kudo's to Apple ! once again, they've delivered beyond their promise. > I installed iLife '09 this morning and am blown away with the new > GarageBand! > > Not only GORGEOUS .. but powerful and a vastly improved > interface ... killer new features! > I'd be interested in getting a professional musician's opinion on this app. From kcall at mac.com Thu Jan 29 22:09:29 2009 From: kcall at mac.com (Kevin Callahan) Date: Thu Jan 29 22:09:32 2009 Subject: GarageBand '09 In-Reply-To: References: <0098BCC7-9D88-4F3D-8A7B-F7EECD93FC4B@mac.com> Message-ID: <9757D96E-0278-4E15-BB5B-0BAA0435DF44@mac.com> On Jan 29, 2009, at 9:59 PM, Scott Anguish wrote: > > On 29-Jan-09, at 5:14 PM, Kevin Callahan wrote: > >> Kudo's to Apple ! once again, they've delivered beyond their >> promise. >> I installed iLife '09 this morning and am blown away with the new >> GarageBand! >> >> Not only GORGEOUS .. but powerful and a vastly improved >> interface ... killer new features! >> > > I'd be interested in getting a professional musician's opinion on > this app. I used it all day teaching today ... *EVERY* student fell in love with it .. and said they were going to buy the upgrade. It even sold one student on upgrading to Leopard. You have to click around a bit to learn the new ways of doing things .. but it's a BIG improvement both esthetically and functionally IMHO. Apple kicks ass. Kevin http://www.kevincallahan.org/ http://www.kevincallahan.org/software/accessorizer.html http://www.xeniamara.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /mailman/archive/macosx-talk/attachments/20090129/8e821623/attachment.html From newslists at autonomy.caltech.edu Thu Jan 29 22:29:19 2009 From: newslists at autonomy.caltech.edu (Jonathon Kuo) Date: Thu Jan 29 22:29:22 2009 Subject: Mail broken after upgrade to Leopard Message-ID: <60048F9D-17E6-48ED-A580-EA23D8D2ACED@autonomy.caltech.edu> A friend of mine just upgraded his computers (an recent iMac and MacBook Pro) running Tiger to Leopard, using 2 install disks and then with Software Update to get the 10.5.6 combo. Before he did the install, he did a Repair Disk Permissions and a Verify Disk (which came back fine). Everything now works except Mail. When he launches Mail and clicks on Get Mail, nothing happens, not even the little round tick progress indicator. No alert panel comes up, it simply doesn't retrieve any new mail. And, when he sends mail out, it appears to go out (through the Outbox), but no mail is ever received by the recipient. No informative messages were in the console log. The Mail account settings (he goes through SBC/Yahoo ISP) are unchanged from what used to work. Calling Tech Support, he went through everything with them (3 hours!), and the final recommendation was to do a full clean install of Leopard! How could both systems be equally affected? Could this be some kind of incompatibility between SBC and Leopard? What are some things I can tell him to check? I've never heard of this happening before, and I don't know what to suggest to him. Thx From jearle at gmail.com Fri Jan 30 00:21:08 2009 From: jearle at gmail.com (Jared Earle) Date: Fri Jan 30 00:20:21 2009 Subject: GarageBand '09 In-Reply-To: References: <0098BCC7-9D88-4F3D-8A7B-F7EECD93FC4B@mac.com> Message-ID: <6B01E94C-9F67-41AE-B687-3B2D8584C464@gmail.com> Reply below (block mark delete on an iPhone would be nice). -- Jared Earle :: iPhone-at-23x-dot-net http://jearle.eu/ :: http://blog.23x.net On 30 Jan 2009, at 05:59, Scott Anguish wrote: > > On 29-Jan-09, at 5:14 PM, Kevin Callahan wrote: > >> Kudo's to Apple ! once again, they've delivered beyond their >> promise. >> I installed iLife '09 this morning and am blown away with the new >> GarageBand! >> >> Not only GORGEOUS .. but powerful and a vastly improved >> interface ... killer new features! >> > > I'd be interested in getting a professional musician's opinion on > this app. You just did. Kevin, apart from looking like Aragorn, teaches and plays guitar for a living. From jearle at gmail.com Fri Jan 30 00:24:03 2009 From: jearle at gmail.com (Jared Earle) Date: Fri Jan 30 00:23:16 2009 Subject: Mail broken after upgrade to Leopard In-Reply-To: <60048F9D-17E6-48ED-A580-EA23D8D2ACED@autonomy.caltech.edu> References: <60048F9D-17E6-48ED-A580-EA23D8D2ACED@autonomy.caltech.edu> Message-ID: What mail and web plug-ins does he have installed? -- Jared Earle :: iPhone-at-23x-dot-net http://jearle.eu/ :: http://blog.23x.net On 30 Jan 2009, at 06:29, Jonathon Kuo wrote: > A friend of mine just upgraded his computers (an recent iMac and > MacBook Pro) running Tiger to Leopard, using 2 install disks and > then with Software Update to get the 10.5.6 combo. Before he did the > install, he did a Repair Disk Permissions and a Verify Disk (which > came back fine). > > Everything now works except Mail. > > When he launches Mail and clicks on Get Mail, nothing happens, not > even the little round tick progress indicator. No alert panel comes > up, it simply doesn't retrieve any new mail. And, when he sends mail > out, it appears to go out (through the Outbox), but no mail is ever > received by the recipient. No informative messages were in the > console log. > > The Mail account settings (he goes through SBC/Yahoo ISP) are > unchanged from what used to work. Calling Tech Support, he went > through everything with them (3 hours!), and the final > recommendation was to do a full clean install of Leopard! How could > both systems be equally affected? Could this be some kind of > incompatibility between SBC and Leopard? > > What are some things I can tell him to check? I've never heard of > this happening before, and I don't know what to suggest to him. > > Thx > > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-talk mailing list > MacOSX-talk@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-talk From dave at difference.com.au Fri Jan 30 00:23:25 2009 From: dave at difference.com.au (David Cake) Date: Fri Jan 30 00:46:46 2009 Subject: GarageBand '09 In-Reply-To: <0098BCC7-9D88-4F3D-8A7B-F7EECD93FC4B@mac.com> References: <0098BCC7-9D88-4F3D-8A7B-F7EECD93FC4B@mac.com> Message-ID: thanks, Kevin, it was really interesting to hear that. Apples marketing had mostly promoted new associated content rather improvement to the program itself, so I hadn't looked at it closely, but I see I should have paid more attention. Garage Band is a winner. I've spoken to people who use it get people from remote communities with very little experience with computers who say that it does a great job, and people pick it up very quickly and start using it to record traditional songs etc straight away. Cheers David From r.o.durrer at durrer.org Fri Jan 30 01:38:32 2009 From: r.o.durrer at durrer.org (Rudolf O. Durrer) Date: Fri Jan 30 01:39:11 2009 Subject: Access rights (Users folder) Message-ID: <27FD6384-CCAA-4971-8F91-92CDA3962887@durrer.org> As far as I remember, the users folder of OSX had the access rights set to 775 (as are applications or library folders). Since updating to X.5.6. (I think it's that), every time I restart, the folder ist set to 755. I correct it to 775, but oups, the next day, there's again 755. Does anybody knows, what that is? Regards Rudolf From psarge at gmail.com Fri Jan 30 03:34:26 2009 From: psarge at gmail.com (Paul Sargent) Date: Fri Jan 30 03:34:31 2009 Subject: Mounting a Volume Read-Only Message-ID: <68aed4c30901300334x7a9eb606l5a43131ba3c53e4f@mail.gmail.com> Does anybody know of a way to mount a external hard-drive as read-only? I've made some backups of some data onto a Firewire disk, and need to do some analysis on them, but want to make sure nothing writes to the disk. I had a feeling there was a flag you could set to say always mount as read only, but I can't find it anywhere. Was I imagining things? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /mailman/archive/macosx-talk/attachments/20090130/8c8c6580/attachment.html From appledev at xs4all.nl Fri Jan 30 04:17:27 2009 From: appledev at xs4all.nl (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_v_Amerongen?=) Date: Fri Jan 30 04:17:33 2009 Subject: Mounting a Volume Read-Only In-Reply-To: <68aed4c30901300334x7a9eb606l5a43131ba3c53e4f@mail.gmail.com> References: <68aed4c30901300334x7a9eb606l5a43131ba3c53e4f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Not sure now (about SATA), but in the past there was a jumper on the HD's that let you use it as read only. On 30 jan 2009, at 12:34, Paul Sargent wrote: > Does anybody know of a way to mount a external hard-drive as read- > only? > > I've made some backups of some data onto a Firewire disk, and need > to do some analysis on them, but want to make sure nothing writes to > the disk. I had a feeling there was a flag you could set to say > always mount as read only, but I can't find it anywhere. > > Was I imagining things? > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-talk mailing list > MacOSX-talk@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-talk From cb at df.lth.se Fri Jan 30 04:40:00 2009 From: cb at df.lth.se (Christian Brunschen) Date: Fri Jan 30 04:40:23 2009 Subject: GarageBand '09 In-Reply-To: References: <0098BCC7-9D88-4F3D-8A7B-F7EECD93FC4B@mac.com> Message-ID: <2C660583-BD9F-4923-8EE3-71E59D8250E8@df.lth.se> On 30 Jan 2009, at 08:23, David Cake wrote: > Garage Band is a winner. I've spoken to people who use it get > people from remote communities with very little experience with > computers who say that it does a great job, and people pick it up > very quickly and start using it to record traditional songs etc > straight away. But let's not forget that Microsoft has a competing product in the area of helping people make music, "SongSmith": > Cheers > David // Christian Brunschen From lists at c18.net Fri Jan 30 04:53:23 2009 From: lists at c18.net (Andrew Brown) Date: Fri Jan 30 04:53:27 2009 Subject: GarageBand '09 In-Reply-To: <2C660583-BD9F-4923-8EE3-71E59D8250E8@df.lth.se> References: <0098BCC7-9D88-4F3D-8A7B-F7EECD93FC4B@mac.com> <2C660583-BD9F-4923-8EE3-71E59D8250E8@df.lth.se> Message-ID: <3091FD60-9FAC-4C0A-9766-47EE7294A420@c18.net> On 30 Jan 2009, at 13:40, Christian Brunschen wrote: > But let's not forget that Microsoft has a competing product Well, if you insist, but I was planning to die in complete ignorance of Microsoft's activities in this area. AB From psarge at gmail.com Fri Jan 30 05:21:14 2009 From: psarge at gmail.com (Paul Sargent) Date: Fri Jan 30 05:24:20 2009 Subject: Mounting a Volume Read-Only In-Reply-To: References: <68aed4c30901300334x7a9eb606l5a43131ba3c53e4f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <68aed4c30901300521n57c5280fnfe6f965819d983bf@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 13:17, Ren? v Amerongen wrote: > Not sure now (about SATA), but in the past there was a jumper on the HD's > that let you use it as read only. > > Doesn't appear to be anything like that on these drives (recent SATA). -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /mailman/archive/macosx-talk/attachments/20090130/f19a661f/attachment.html From charles.dyer at gmail.com Fri Jan 30 05:36:28 2009 From: charles.dyer at gmail.com (Charles Dyer) Date: Fri Jan 30 05:36:41 2009 Subject: GarageBand '09 In-Reply-To: <2C660583-BD9F-4923-8EE3-71E59D8250E8@df.lth.se> References: <0098BCC7-9D88-4F3D-8A7B-F7EECD93FC4B@mac.com> <2C660583-BD9F-4923-8EE3-71E59D8250E8@df.lth.se> Message-ID: On 30 Jan 2009, at 07:40:00, Christian Brunschen wrote: > On 30 Jan 2009, at 08:23, David Cake wrote: > >> Garage Band is a winner. I've spoken to people who use it get >> people from remote communities with very little experience with >> computers who say that it does a great job, and people pick it up >> very quickly and start using it to record traditional songs etc >> straight away. > > But let's not forget that Microsoft has a competing product in the > area of helping people make music, "SongSmith": I do hope that you're not serious. > > > > > > You had me going there for a minute. . The horror. The pure, undiluted, horror. The 'White Wedding' clip isn't as bad as El Reg makes out... it's far worse. From kremels at kreme.com Fri Jan 30 05:58:46 2009 From: kremels at kreme.com (LuKreme) Date: Fri Jan 30 05:58:51 2009 Subject: GarageBand '09 In-Reply-To: References: <0098BCC7-9D88-4F3D-8A7B-F7EECD93FC4B@mac.com> <2C660583-BD9F-4923-8EE3-71E59D8250E8@df.lth.se> Message-ID: <221EBEE5-4B05-4D41-A12C-98C8D9D28748@kreme.com> On 30-Jan-2009, at 06:36, Charles Dyer wrote: > On 30 Jan 2009, at 07:40:00, Christian Brunschen wrote: >> >> >> > > > > You had me going there for a minute. >. The horror. The pure, undiluted, horror. The 'White Wedding' clip > isn't as bad as El Reg makes out... it's far worse. OMG. these make my ears bleed: Sgt. Peppers, Creep, and Roxanne. WoW. Wonderwall is pretty funny, actually. Van Halen's Running with the Devil... Sounds like an SNL skit with Bill Murray's Lounge Lizard. Marvin Gaye's I heard it through the grapevine simply boggles the mind. But the best (worst) one? There's something truly magical about the Euro-trash version of Rush's "Tom Sawyer" magical as in "I wish Harry Potter could obliterate that memory from my brain" -- and I lift my glass to the Awful Truth / which you can't reveal to the Ears of Youth / except to say it isn't worth a dime From mikecap at mac.com Fri Jan 30 06:53:22 2009 From: mikecap at mac.com (mikecap@mac.com) Date: Fri Jan 30 06:53:27 2009 Subject: Mail broken after upgrade to Leopard In-Reply-To: <60048F9D-17E6-48ED-A580-EA23D8D2ACED@autonomy.caltech.edu> References: <60048F9D-17E6-48ED-A580-EA23D8D2ACED@autonomy.caltech.edu> Message-ID: Hi, I have seen similar symptoms in several Tiger to Leopard upgrades. I had to move ~/Library/Mail to another location and let Mail recreate it, then I imported the old folders back into Mail. That got it working, it may be possible via some less extreme measures, but that's what worked for me. Mike On Jan 30, 2009, at 1:29 AM, Jonathon Kuo wrote: > A friend of mine just upgraded his computers (an recent iMac and > MacBook Pro) running Tiger to Leopard, using 2 install disks and > then with Software Update to get the 10.5.6 combo. Before he did the > install, he did a Repair Disk Permissions and a Verify Disk (which > came back fine). > > Everything now works except Mail. > > When he launches Mail and clicks on Get Mail, nothing happens, not > even the little round tick progress indicator. No alert panel comes > up, it simply doesn't retrieve any new mail. And, when he sends mail > out, it appears to go out (through the Outbox), but no mail is ever > received by the recipient. No informative messages were in the > console log. > > The Mail account settings (he goes through SBC/Yahoo ISP) are > unchanged from what used to work. Calling Tech Support, he went > through everything with them (3 hours!), and the final > recommendation was to do a full clean install of Leopard! How could > both systems be equally affected? Could this be some kind of > incompatibility between SBC and Leopard? > > What are some things I can tell him to check? I've never heard of > this happening before, and I don't know what to suggest to him. > > Thx > > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-talk mailing list > MacOSX-talk@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-talk From mrhatken at mac.com Fri Jan 30 07:47:20 2009 From: mrhatken at mac.com (Ashley Aitken) Date: Fri Jan 30 07:47:58 2009 Subject: Mounting a Volume Read-Only In-Reply-To: <68aed4c30901300521n57c5280fnfe6f965819d983bf@mail.gmail.com> References: <68aed4c30901300334x7a9eb606l5a43131ba3c53e4f@mail.gmail.com> <68aed4c30901300521n57c5280fnfe6f965819d983bf@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: It's definitely do-able from the command line (man diskutil), and I though (wishful thinking perhaps) from Disk Utility.app Cheers, Ashley. On 30/01/2009, at 10:21 PM, Paul Sargent wrote: > On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 13:17, Ren? v Amerongen > wrote: > Not sure now (about SATA), but in the past there was a jumper on the > HD's that let you use it as read only. > > Doesn't appear to be anything like that on these drives (recent > SATA). _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-talk mailing list > MacOSX-talk@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-talk -- Ashley Aitken Perth, Western Australia mrhatken at mac dot com Skype Name: MrHatken (GMT + 8 Hours!) From kcall at mac.com Fri Jan 30 08:04:32 2009 From: kcall at mac.com (Kevin Callahan) Date: Fri Jan 30 08:05:00 2009 Subject: GarageBand '09 In-Reply-To: <2C660583-BD9F-4923-8EE3-71E59D8250E8@df.lth.se> References: <0098BCC7-9D88-4F3D-8A7B-F7EECD93FC4B@mac.com> <2C660583-BD9F-4923-8EE3-71E59D8250E8@df.lth.se> Message-ID: <267D9D14-EA0C-4550-BD74-71919568E1A3@mac.com> On Jan 30, 2009, at 4:40 AM, Christian Brunschen wrote: > On 30 Jan 2009, at 08:23, David Cake wrote: > >> Garage Band is a winner. I've spoken to people who use it get >> people from remote communities with very little experience with >> computers who say that it does a great job, and people pick it up >> very quickly and start using it to record traditional songs etc >> straight away. > > But let's not forget that Microsoft has a competing product in the > area of helping people make music, "SongSmith": > > pathetic !!!!!!!!!!!!! Kevin > > > > > >> Cheers >> David > > // Christian Brunschen > From scott at cocoadoc.com Fri Jan 30 08:50:23 2009 From: scott at cocoadoc.com (Scott Anguish) Date: Fri Jan 30 08:50:30 2009 Subject: GarageBand '09 In-Reply-To: <6B01E94C-9F67-41AE-B687-3B2D8584C464@gmail.com> References: <0098BCC7-9D88-4F3D-8A7B-F7EECD93FC4B@mac.com> <6B01E94C-9F67-41AE-B687-3B2D8584C464@gmail.com> Message-ID: <0A274FBA-ADA3-458E-8F5A-A3F4F887427E@cocoadoc.com> On 30-Jan-09, at 3:21 AM, Jared Earle wrote: > Reply below (block mark delete on an iPhone would be nice). > > -- Jared Earle :: iPhone-at-23x-dot-net > http://jearle.eu/ :: http://blog.23x.net > > On 30 Jan 2009, at 05:59, Scott Anguish wrote: > >> >> On 29-Jan-09, at 5:14 PM, Kevin Callahan wrote: >> >>> Kudo's to Apple ! once again, they've delivered beyond their >>> promise. >>> I installed iLife '09 this morning and am blown away with the new >>> GarageBand! >>> >>> Not only GORGEOUS .. but powerful and a vastly improved >>> interface ... killer new features! >>> >> >> I'd be interested in getting a professional musician's opinion on >> this app. > > You just did. Kevin, apart from looking like Aragorn, teaches and > plays guitar for a living. Sorry all. I did know Kevin was a professional musician. I've known him for quite a while (and he emails daily of late). I was just giving him 'the business'. :-) From kremels at kreme.com Fri Jan 30 12:28:34 2009 From: kremels at kreme.com (LuKreme) Date: Fri Jan 30 12:28:37 2009 Subject: GarageBand '09 In-Reply-To: <0A274FBA-ADA3-458E-8F5A-A3F4F887427E@cocoadoc.com> References: <0098BCC7-9D88-4F3D-8A7B-F7EECD93FC4B@mac.com> <6B01E94C-9F67-41AE-B687-3B2D8584C464@gmail.com> <0A274FBA-ADA3-458E-8F5A-A3F4F887427E@cocoadoc.com> Message-ID: <5A35F3CD-6DA5-4603-8527-E474CC73F932@kreme.com> On 30-Jan-2009, at 09:50, Scott Anguish wrote: > On 30-Jan-09, at 3:21 AM, Jared Earle wrote: >> On 30 Jan 2009, at 05:59, Scott Anguish wrote: >>> On 29-Jan-09, at 5:14 PM, Kevin Callahan wrote: >>>> Kudo's to Apple ! once again, they've delivered beyond their >>>> promise. >>>> I installed iLife '09 this morning and am blown away with the new >>>> GarageBand! >>>> >>>> Not only GORGEOUS .. but powerful and a vastly improved >>>> interface ... killer new features! >>> I'd be interested in getting a professional musician's opinion on >>> this app. >> You just did. Kevin, apart from looking like Aragorn, teaches and >> plays guitar for a living. > Sorry all. I did know Kevin was a professional musician. I've known > him for quite a while (and he emails daily of late). I was just > giving him 'the business'. :-) Q: What's the difference between a professional musician and a large pizza? A: A large pizza can feed a family of 4. -- Space Directive 723: Terraformers are expressly forbidden from recreating Swindon. From newslists at autonomy.caltech.edu Fri Jan 30 14:52:47 2009 From: newslists at autonomy.caltech.edu (Jonathon Kuo) Date: Fri Jan 30 14:52:55 2009 Subject: Mail broken after upgrade to Leopard In-Reply-To: References: <60048F9D-17E6-48ED-A580-EA23D8D2ACED@autonomy.caltech.edu> Message-ID: <65DC846E-9CEC-4494-B99B-B71BB7AA1245@autonomy.caltech.edu> Mike, Your were right on. Dunno what the issue was with the original folders, but moving them out of the way and importing their contents into new mailboxes allowed Mail to work properly. What a huge Leopard bug! Thanks! On Jan 30, 2009, at 6:53 AM, mikecap@mac.com wrote: > Hi, > > I have seen similar symptoms in several Tiger to Leopard upgrades. > I had to move ~/Library/Mail to another location and let Mail > recreate it, then I imported the old folders back into Mail. That > got it working, it may be possible via some less extreme measures, > but that's what worked for me. > > Mike > > > On Jan 30, 2009, at 1:29 AM, Jonathon Kuo wrote: > >> A friend of mine just upgraded his computers (an recent iMac and >> MacBook Pro) running Tiger to Leopard, using 2 install disks and >> then with Software Update to get the 10.5.6 combo. Before he did >> the install, he did a Repair Disk Permissions and a Verify Disk >> (which came back fine). >> >> Everything now works except Mail. >> >> When he launches Mail and clicks on Get Mail, nothing happens, not >> even the little round tick progress indicator. No alert panel comes >> up, it simply doesn't retrieve any new mail. And, when he sends >> mail out, it appears to go out (through the Outbox), but no mail is >> ever received by the recipient. No informative messages were in the >> console log. >> >> The Mail account settings (he goes through SBC/Yahoo ISP) are >> unchanged from what used to work. Calling Tech Support, he went >> through everything with them (3 hours!), and the final >> recommendation was to do a full clean install of Leopard! How could >> both systems be equally affected? Could this be some kind of >> incompatibility between SBC and Leopard? >> >> What are some things I can tell him to check? I've never heard of >> this happening before, and I don't know what to suggest to him. >> >> Thx >> >> _______________________________________________ >> MacOSX-talk mailing list >> MacOSX-talk@omnigroup.com >> http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-talk > > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-talk mailing list > MacOSX-talk@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-talk > From stefano.mori at zen.co.uk Fri Jan 30 15:47:57 2009 From: stefano.mori at zen.co.uk (Stefano Mori) Date: Fri Jan 30 16:12:09 2009 Subject: Mail broken after upgrade to Leopard In-Reply-To: <65DC846E-9CEC-4494-B99B-B71BB7AA1245@autonomy.caltech.edu> References: <60048F9D-17E6-48ED-A580-EA23D8D2ACED@autonomy.caltech.edu> <65DC846E-9CEC-4494-B99B-B71BB7AA1245@autonomy.caltech.edu> Message-ID: <97AE8259-3C23-4340-9CDE-A4F306BC95F4@zen.co.uk> I've seen a bug when migrating, that appears to be to do with the mail rules. I found similar behavior to what you describe, plus when I opened the Mail Preferences panel, I couldn't bring up the Rules pane when I clicked its icon. Simply trashing the mail rules plist resolved it. Stefano On 2009-Jan-30, at 22:52, Jonathon Kuo wrote: > Mike, > > Your were right on. Dunno what the issue was with the original > folders, but moving them out of the way and importing their contents > into new mailboxes allowed Mail to work properly. What a huge > Leopard bug! > > Thanks! > > > On Jan 30, 2009, at 6:53 AM, mikecap@mac.com wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> I have seen similar symptoms in several Tiger to Leopard upgrades. >> I had to move ~/Library/Mail to another location and let Mail >> recreate it, then I imported the old folders back into Mail. That >> got it working, it may be possible via some less extreme measures, >> but that's what worked for me. >> >> Mike >> >> >> On Jan 30, 2009, at 1:29 AM, Jonathon Kuo wrote: >> >>> A friend of mine just upgraded his computers (an recent iMac and >>> MacBook Pro) running Tiger to Leopard, using 2 install disks and >>> then with Software Update to get the 10.5.6 combo. Before he did >>> the install, he did a Repair Disk Permissions and a Verify Disk >>> (which came back fine). >>> >>> Everything now works except Mail. >>> >>> When he launches Mail and clicks on Get Mail, nothing happens, not >>> even the little round tick progress indicator. No alert panel >>> comes up, it simply doesn't retrieve any new mail. And, when he >>> sends mail out, it appears to go out (through the Outbox), but no >>> mail is ever received by the recipient. No informative messages >>> were in the console log. >>> >>> The Mail account settings (he goes through SBC/Yahoo ISP) are >>> unchanged from what used to work. Calling Tech Support, he went >>> through everything with them (3 hours!), and the final >>> recommendation was to do a full clean install of Leopard! How >>> could both systems be equally affected? Could this be some kind of >>> incompatibility between SBC and Leopard? >>> >>> What are some things I can tell him to check? I've never heard of >>> this happening before, and I don't know what to suggest to him. >>> >>> Thx >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> MacOSX-talk mailing list >>> MacOSX-talk@omnigroup.com >>> http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-talk >> >> _______________________________________________ >> MacOSX-talk mailing list >> MacOSX-talk@omnigroup.com >> http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-talk >> > > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-talk mailing list > MacOSX-talk@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-talk From bentley at crenelle.com Fri Jan 30 21:13:49 2009 From: bentley at crenelle.com (Michael Brian Bentley) Date: Fri Jan 30 21:13:58 2009 Subject: "The New Hotness" Message-ID: http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/ Anyone catch today's Penny Arcade comic called "The New Hotness"?