From charles.dyer at gmail.com Tue Jan 1 04:29:34 2008 From: charles.dyer at gmail.com (Charles Dyer) Date: Tue Jan 1 04:29:42 2008 Subject: The RIAA goes completely insane In-Reply-To: <6AA1B3F8-0F7A-4676-A262-F8778A69FA49@objectwerks.com> References: <12C96E91-092A-435A-931C-0F5D44F354DB@softhome.net> <6AA1B3F8-0F7A-4676-A262-F8778A69FA49@objectwerks.com> Message-ID: <584B1621-86DB-4311-81ED-B74E327FEA98@gmail.com> On 01 Jan 2008, at 00:10:50, objectwerks inc wrote: > > On Dec 31, 2007, at 9:05 PM, Karl Kuehn wrote: > >> On Dec 31, 2007, at 10:51 PM, James O'Shea wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> Anyone who has ever copied a CD onto a computer, an iPod, or other >>> digital music system is, apparently, a felon. I await my letter >>> from the RIAA. This should be interesting. >> >> The Register has this a bit wrong. The guy is being sued because >> he shared the music on Kazza, not because he ripped the music to >> his HD. And there was a round of news about this, and it looks like >> he is going to loose on those counts. >> >> But this is somewhat significant because the layer on the RIAA's >> side has been sliding language into his legal briefs that seems to >> say that ripping songs from a CD to a computer is "unauthorized >> copying". There are two ways of reading that statement: 1) it is >> illegal to format-shift information from a CD to your computer, >> even for personal use. Or 2) that the format-shifting was no >> explicitly authorized by the record label, so is "unauthorized" (by >> the record label), but does fall under fair use. >> >> There is some fear, and fear-mongering, that this language might >> make it into the judge's ruling in the case (which is probably >> going to be against the defendant), and that this might give the >> RIAA a bigger stick to wave both in the declaring format-shifting >> illegal (and allow them to win their other cases more easily on >> this point), or that it might shore up the very infirm legal ground >> in the dispute over ringtones (one of their arguments is that >> format-shifting is not in the CD agreement). >> >> In any case, the Register has completely failed to do any research >> on this topic, and should be slapped around a bit. If it wasn't for >> the obvious negligence of many "reputable" new organizations I >> would point this out as a place that differentiates bloggers from >> new organizations... *sigh* > > > This is all the more interesting (the case, not the Register) as the > RIAA has said in court, I believe, that the time shifting for > personal use of personally owned CDs onto an iPod or computer is > allowed under fair use. I don't have the cite on me but someone > else commenting on this case did have it... > Sony BMG's top lawyer has also said in court that making just one copy for personal use is theft. "The Howell case was not the first time the industry has argued that making a personal copy from a legally purchased CD is illegal. At the Thomas trial in Minnesota, Sony BMG's chief of litigation, Jennifer Pariser, testified that "when an individual makes a copy of a song for himself, I suppose we can say he stole a song." Copying a song you bought is "a nice way of saying 'steals just one copy,' " she said." From . I assume that the Washington Post is somewhat more responsible and does a little more fact checking than does The Register. From jswitte at bloomington.in.us Tue Jan 1 05:58:07 2008 From: jswitte at bloomington.in.us (Jim Witte) Date: Tue Jan 1 05:58:26 2008 Subject: The RIAA goes completely insane In-Reply-To: <12C96E91-092A-435A-931C-0F5D44F354DB@softhome.net> References: <12C96E91-092A-435A-931C-0F5D44F354DB@softhome.net> Message-ID: How would this interact with the Digital Rio case and the Home Recording Rights Act? The HRRA if I remember right was only *written* to specifically apply to analog recordings, but I believe the congressional testimony was used in the Digital Rio case to sucessfully argue that the *intent* was that it was to apply to ALL formats, as long as it was for personal use, or "sharing with no monetary gain" (not a quotation, and open to interpretation on what exactly 'sharing' means) Jim On Dec 31, 2007, at 11:05 PM, Karl Kuehn wrote: > But this is somewhat significant because the layer on the RIAA's > side has been sliding language into his legal briefs that seems to > say that ripping songs from a CD to a computer is "unauthorized > copying". There are two ways of reading that statement: 1) it is > illegal to format-shift information from a CD to your computer, > even for personal use. Or 2) that the format-shifting was no > explicitly authorized by the record label, so is "unauthorized" (by > the record label), but does fall under fair use. From jswitte at bloomington.in.us Tue Jan 1 06:04:08 2008 From: jswitte at bloomington.in.us (Jim Witte) Date: Tue Jan 1 06:04:25 2008 Subject: The RIAA goes completely insane In-Reply-To: <584B1621-86DB-4311-81ED-B74E327FEA98@gmail.com> References: <12C96E91-092A-435A-931C-0F5D44F354DB@softhome.net> <6AA1B3F8-0F7A-4676-A262-F8778A69FA49@objectwerks.com> <584B1621-86DB-4311-81ED-B74E327FEA98@gmail.com> Message-ID: <45BD8A76-5F8A-4B58-B4CC-7FE6C8130335@bloomington.in.us> > Copying a song you bought is "a nice way of saying 'steals just > one copy,' " she said." How about my eidetic memory that has a near-perfect recording of probably 79% of the music of Celtic Woman? Does that mean my *brain* (actually, some part of my hypothalamus and auditory cortex) is committing a crime? Does this count as a "thought crime"? And how many copies are *in* there anyway (this gets harder, as we don't yet know how sound is stored - probably somewhat holographically-like, distributed, and with reference to lots of other things)? Just 1 copy, 5 copies, 20 copies? Jeez, lock my brain up *NOW* and throw away the key! And, oh yeah, on the practical side, although I do actually *own* the CDs (most of them not even bought used, so no 'copying on the other end'), I only listen to the Apple Lossless or AIFF copies I have.. So that's *definitely* stealing.. Sheesh - the RIAA does say some strange (and contradictory) stuff.. Jim From neil at laubenthal.net Tue Jan 1 12:35:27 2008 From: neil at laubenthal.net (Neil Laubenthal) Date: Tue Jan 1 12:35:34 2008 Subject: PubSubAgent In-Reply-To: <9C3367CD-B4AD-4B63-81EB-EE130FECE2AA@kreme.com> References: <8154FECD-4BD1-4BDB-8A3F-2F01154293B1@laubenthal.net> <9C3367CD-B4AD-4B63-81EB-EE130FECE2AA@kreme.com> Message-ID: On Dec 29, 2007, at 14:55, LuKreme wrote: > On 28-Dec-2007, at 08:26, Neil Laubenthal wrote: >> Any ideas how to get rid of this? My normal use account does not >> have admin rights . . . if that makes any difference to either the >> problem or the solution. > > > My account is not admin either and I do not get this dialog. I have > RSS feeds set to Mail.app but have removed all the RSS feeds (as I > recall it came with one or two by default). > After some more troubleshooting . . . it appears that if you have your keychain set to lock after a period of inactivity you get this prompt. Setting the keychain to remain unlocked keeps it from happening. This solves the problem . . . sort of . . . but to me it's a Windows sort of solution . . . it's a workaround more then an actual solution. PubSubAgent is used for RSS feeds (I have none) and for Dot Mac syncs (which I do have, but it's only set to sync once a week). Neither of these should be causing the problem. On a related note . . . when I look in Keychain Access . . . I see my login keychain listed twice in the left pane . . . even though there is actually only a single login.keychain file in ~/Library/Keychains. Any idea what might cause this? I'm sure it's a user account thing . . .because other accounts on my laptop don't exhibit the same problem . . . but it's probably not worth the effort of trying to export iCal, Address Book, Mail, and the gazillion other preferences files that would be required if I recreated the account. From robertlaferla at comcast.net Wed Jan 2 18:23:13 2008 From: robertlaferla at comcast.net (Robert La Ferla) Date: Wed Jan 2 18:23:17 2008 Subject: The RIAA goes completely insane In-Reply-To: <6AA1B3F8-0F7A-4676-A262-F8778A69FA49@objectwerks.com> References: <12C96E91-092A-435A-931C-0F5D44F354DB@softhome.net> <6AA1B3F8-0F7A-4676-A262-F8778A69FA49@objectwerks.com> Message-ID: http://www.informationweek.com/blog/main/archives/2008/01/riaa_behaving_b.html From scott at cocoadoc.com Wed Jan 2 23:06:32 2008 From: scott at cocoadoc.com (Scott Anguish) Date: Wed Jan 2 23:06:37 2008 Subject: The RIAA goes completely insane In-Reply-To: References: <12C96E91-092A-435A-931C-0F5D44F354DB@softhome.net> <6AA1B3F8-0F7A-4676-A262-F8778A69FA49@objectwerks.com> Message-ID: this would all be well and good if... a) this was actually about Mac OS X (sorry to play list-mom ken.. but cocoa-dev made me do it :-) b) it was actually the case. What the RIAA is referring to in this specific case isn't "hey, i'm making a personal copy" it's "hey, I'm ripping a copy and putting it in my sharing folder" Wouldn't it be better to speculate on how the mythical Apple rental store might work with respect to DRM?? On Jan 2, 2008, at 9:23 PM, Robert La Ferla wrote: > http://www.informationweek.com/blog/main/archives/2008/01/riaa_behaving_b.html From sroebuck at mac.com Thu Jan 3 09:12:22 2008 From: sroebuck at mac.com (Scott Roebuck) Date: Thu Jan 3 09:12:27 2008 Subject: Mail Attachment Problem... Message-ID: Hello and Happy New Year! Since installing the 10.4.11, Quicktime 7.3.1, all inline Quicktime movies are reduced to postage stamp size regardless of actual movie footprint. These small icons are frequently doubled over other text. Collapsing and expanding the window gets rid of the doubling, but the postage stamp size remains. Receivers using apple mail see the movie at the correct size. I also have a problem where as all or most of my .bundle files appear as folders and do not serve there purpose. Could this be related? Thanks in advance for any suggestions. Scott - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /mailman/archive/macosx-talk/attachments/20080103/51b1b47d/attachment.html From macsrwe at macsrwe.com Thu Jan 3 15:22:41 2008 From: macsrwe at macsrwe.com (Macs R We) Date: Thu Jan 3 15:22:46 2008 Subject: PubSubAgent In-Reply-To: <20080102200005.CB4D5AA6E6@forums.omnigroup.com> References: <20080102200005.CB4D5AA6E6@forums.omnigroup.com> Message-ID: <78A1A99F-0D54-409F-8A3C-7A124A7C5673@macsrwe.com> On Jan 2, 2008, at 1:00 PM, macosx-talk-request@omnigroup.com wrote: > After some more troubleshooting . . . it appears that if you have your > keychain set to lock after a period of inactivity you get this prompt. > Setting the keychain to remain unlocked keeps it from happening. > > This solves the problem . . . sort of . . . but to me it's a Windows > sort of solution . . . it's a workaround more then an actual solution. I found that the best way to address this problem is to create a second keychain that is not set to be automatically locked, and store the non-critical passwords in there. Apparently, the OS is very good about searching all the unlocked keychains first before giving up and asking you to unlock a locked one. -- Macs R We -- Personal Macintosh Service and Support in the Wickenburg and far Northwest Valley Areas. http://macsrwe.com From neil at laubenthal.net Thu Jan 3 16:35:47 2008 From: neil at laubenthal.net (Neil Laubenthal) Date: Thu Jan 3 16:35:55 2008 Subject: PubSubAgent In-Reply-To: <78A1A99F-0D54-409F-8A3C-7A124A7C5673@macsrwe.com> References: <20080102200005.CB4D5AA6E6@forums.omnigroup.com> <78A1A99F-0D54-409F-8A3C-7A124A7C5673@macsrwe.com> Message-ID: I thought about that . . . but can't figure out what it's trying to use. The dialog doesn't say, there isn't anything related to PubSubAgent in the keychain . . . and the things that PubSubAgent should not be happening that long. Still though, if I figure out what it's asking for it's probably a good idea. On Jan 3, 2008, at 18:22, Macs R We wrote: > > I found that the best way to address this problem is to create a > second keychain that is not set to be automatically locked, and > store the non-critical passwords in there. Apparently, the OS is > very good about searching all the unlocked keychains first before > giving up and asking you to unlock a locked one. > From davec2468 at aim.com Thu Jan 3 22:21:09 2008 From: davec2468 at aim.com (davec) Date: Thu Jan 3 22:58:19 2008 Subject: Help with regular expression? Message-ID: I need to create a regular expression for a filter. It is a one-time task, for a specific phrase. If someone is experienced in RE and would be willing to help me assemble this expression, please contact me off-list. Thanks, Dave From gcerquant at gmail.com Fri Jan 4 05:49:32 2008 From: gcerquant at gmail.com (Guillaume CERQUANT) Date: Fri Jan 4 05:49:38 2008 Subject: Custom keyboard layout as first class citizen? Message-ID: <2B190048-6DB4-448B-85D9-2AD2E66C05AB@gmail.com> Hi, Long time reader, first post. I have a custom keyboard layout (french Dvorak) that I made with Ukelele. It works fine. But it appears, that in the eye of Mac OS X (10.5, but same problem before), it isn't a "full citizen" layout: * In International Preferences, I can't check only my layout, and uncheck all others. I have to check at least one other. * When an authentication dialog show-up, it switches automatically to the other layout available. Note: I don't really mind the fact to have an other mapping active ; I do mind the automatic switching. I've seen two hints of fix here: http://scripts.sil.org/cms/scripts/page.php?site_id=nrsi&item_id=ukelele (Looks for two comments by lanzz and FG) Unfortunately, I couldn't reproduce it with 10.5. Do you have any ideas? Thank you, -- Guillaume Cerquant gcerquant@gmail.com T?l : +33 (0)6 14 31 18 53 From johnmusbach1 at gmail.com Sat Jan 5 09:26:27 2008 From: johnmusbach1 at gmail.com (John Musbach) Date: Sat Jan 5 09:26:32 2008 Subject: How to disable https for one user and all browsers? Message-ID: <17c8e29e0801050926p14dfc22bq9e7cc85f31428ae5@mail.gmail.com> Hello, I am installing parental controls for someone and as good as they are I have come to realize that they cannot filter https traffic and as a result any measures set by the parental controls can be easily circumvented should a website support the https protocol. How can I deny the users attempt to utilize https traffic no matter what browser he/she uses? I realize that this could be done via a ipfw rule but that rule 1) would disappear each reboot (I have tried before adding rules via the Terminal and while it works, those custom rules seem to be removed each time the computer is rebooted. The only rules that stick are those that are added via the Firewall preferences and that area does not allow one to select ports to deny, hmm...) and 2) would apply for all users, I would like something that sticks across reboots and only applies to this one user. Thanks! -- Best Regards, John Musbach From johnmusbach1 at gmail.com Sat Jan 5 13:56:56 2008 From: johnmusbach1 at gmail.com (John Musbach) Date: Sat Jan 5 13:57:01 2008 Subject: How to disable https for one user and all browsers? In-Reply-To: <17c8e29e0801050926p14dfc22bq9e7cc85f31428ae5@mail.gmail.com> References: <17c8e29e0801050926p14dfc22bq9e7cc85f31428ae5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <17c8e29e0801051356i2c40faaci8f4bb04bfa7d1a17@mail.gmail.com> On Jan 5, 2008 9:26 AM, John Musbach wrote: > Hello, I am installing parental controls for someone and as good as > they are I have come to realize that they cannot filter https traffic > and as a result any measures set by the parental controls can be > easily circumvented should a website support the https protocol. How > can I deny the users attempt to utilize https traffic no matter what > browser he/she uses? I realize that this could be done via a ipfw rule > but that rule 1) would disappear each reboot (I have tried before > adding rules via the Terminal and while it works, those custom rules > seem to be removed each time the computer is rebooted. The only rules > that stick are those that are added via the Firewall preferences and > that area does not allow one to select ports to deny, hmm...) and 2) > would apply for all users, I would like something that sticks across > reboots and only applies to this one user. Thanks! I discovered a solution, I used this script: http://www.ibiblio.org/macsupport/ipfw/firewall_1 from http://www.ibiblio.org/macsupport/ipfw/ . I set it up as a LoginHook adding a conditional at the beginning of the script that checked the $1 variable to make sure it only ran on the desired user ($1 returns the short name of the user logging in). I removed all the custom rules in the script and added the following which blocks any outgoing https requests: /sbin/ipfw -f add drop tcp from any to any src-port 443 Problem solved :) -- Best Regards, John Musbach From kcall at mac.com Sun Jan 6 10:15:12 2008 From: kcall at mac.com (Kevin Callahan) Date: Sun Jan 6 10:15:15 2008 Subject: QuickLook Plugins Message-ID: nice collection: http://www.quicklookplugins.com/category/file-types/ http://homepage.mac.com/xdd/software/folder/ From jearle at gmail.com Mon Jan 7 04:09:14 2008 From: jearle at gmail.com (Jared Earle) Date: Mon Jan 7 04:09:17 2008 Subject: iTunes In-Reply-To: <2D924C8C-E43D-49B3-8021-2218909472F2@kreme.com> References: <3A06A250-344B-4C9F-A382-49812FAE9DB2@comcast.net> <2D924C8C-E43D-49B3-8021-2218909472F2@kreme.com> Message-ID: <5bbc0cd60801070409w45a693cdx577dc68e52a22e69@mail.gmail.com> On Dec 29, 2007 8:03 PM, LuKreme wrote: > Blame the content-cartel for that one. What you propose would allow > you to use the ipod to STEAL MUSIC and copy your own files to your own > computers. Remember, ripping CDs is THEFT. No, it isn't. Not even the RIAA think it's theft. -- Jared Earle :: There is no SPORK jearle@gmail.com :: http://www.23x.net The Spodcast :: http://spodcast.org From dp.chaoswerks at gmail.com Mon Jan 7 05:00:10 2008 From: dp.chaoswerks at gmail.com (David P. Henderson) Date: Mon Jan 7 05:00:37 2008 Subject: iTunes In-Reply-To: <5bbc0cd60801070409w45a693cdx577dc68e52a22e69@mail.gmail.com> References: <3A06A250-344B-4C9F-A382-49812FAE9DB2@comcast.net> <2D924C8C-E43D-49B3-8021-2218909472F2@kreme.com> <5bbc0cd60801070409w45a693cdx577dc68e52a22e69@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8CE56A0B-E5C4-478B-8932-C12151D83C82@ieee.org> On 07 Jan 2008, at 07:09, Jared Earle wrote: > No, it isn't. Not even the RIAA think it's theft. Are you positive about that? Are you certain that it is not that the RIAA has not yet figured out a legally defensible position that defines changing storage formats as theft? Dave -- "Criticizing evolutionary theory because Darwin was limited is like claiming computers don't work because Chuck Babbage didn't foresee Duke Nukem 3." - Patrick Coskren From jearle at gmail.com Mon Jan 7 05:22:58 2008 From: jearle at gmail.com (Jared Earle) Date: Mon Jan 7 05:23:02 2008 Subject: iTunes In-Reply-To: <8CE56A0B-E5C4-478B-8932-C12151D83C82@ieee.org> References: <3A06A250-344B-4C9F-A382-49812FAE9DB2@comcast.net> <2D924C8C-E43D-49B3-8021-2218909472F2@kreme.com> <5bbc0cd60801070409w45a693cdx577dc68e52a22e69@mail.gmail.com> <8CE56A0B-E5C4-478B-8932-C12151D83C82@ieee.org> Message-ID: <5bbc0cd60801070522m12c8d928s63c055994b2470cf@mail.gmail.com> On Jan 7, 2008 1:00 PM, David P. Henderson wrote: > On 07 Jan 2008, at 07:09, Jared Earle wrote: > > > No, it isn't. Not even the RIAA think it's theft. > > Are you positive about that? Are you certain that it is not that the > RIAA has not yet figured out a legally defensible position that > defines changing storage formats as theft? They lost that one in the 80s. In the US, laws are based on precedent. http://riaa.com/physicalpiracy.php?content_selector=piracy_online_the_law Copying CDs It's okay to copy music onto an analog cassette, but not for commercial purposes. It's also okay to copy music onto special Audio CD-R's, mini-discs, and digital tapes (because royalties have been paid on them) ? but, again, not for commercial purposes. Beyond that, there's no legal "right" to copy the copyrighted music on a CD onto a CD-R. However, burning a copy of CD onto a CD-R, or transferring a copy onto your computer hard drive or your portable music player, won't usually raise concerns so long as: * The copy is made from an authorized original CD that you legitimately own * The copy is just for your personal use. It's not a personal use ? in fact, it's illegal ? to give away the copy or lend it to others for copying. * The owners of copyrighted music have the right to use protection technology to allow or prevent copying. * Remember, it's never okay to sell or make commercial use of a copy that you make. Anyway, this is off-topic. Take it to Nutters[1] if you want to continue in this direction. [1] http://lists.tit-wank.com/mailman/listinfo/osx-nutters -- Jared Earle :: There is no SPORK jearle@gmail.com :: http://www.23x.net The Spodcast :: http://spodcast.org From kremels at kreme.com Mon Jan 7 09:49:10 2008 From: kremels at kreme.com (LuKreme) Date: Mon Jan 7 09:49:13 2008 Subject: iTunes In-Reply-To: <5bbc0cd60801070409w45a693cdx577dc68e52a22e69@mail.gmail.com> References: <3A06A250-344B-4C9F-A382-49812FAE9DB2@comcast.net> <2D924C8C-E43D-49B3-8021-2218909472F2@kreme.com> <5bbc0cd60801070409w45a693cdx577dc68e52a22e69@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <993327D3-C542-4FAD-991B-A108C380AF0F@kreme.com> On 7-Jan-2008, at 05:09, Jared Earle wrote: > On Dec 29, 2007 8:03 PM, LuKreme wrote: >> Blame the content-cartel for that one. What you propose would allow >> you to use the ipod to STEAL MUSIC and copy your own files to your >> own >> computers. Remember, ripping CDs is THEFT. > > No, it isn't. Not even the RIAA think it's theft. Various official people have said ripping CDs is stealing, and in at least one court case the RIAA lawyers had one of their witnesses say that ripping a CD is stealing and no one jumped up to correct them. The RIAA may not have 'said' it, but they have certainly been laying the groundwork for saying it. -- I want a party where all the women wear new dresses and all the men drink beer. -- Jason Gaes From kcall at mac.com Mon Jan 7 11:23:17 2008 From: kcall at mac.com (Kevin Callahan) Date: Mon Jan 7 11:23:21 2008 Subject: Samsung's 128GB SSD will be demonstrated in a notebook PC -write speed of 70MB/s and a read speed of 100MB/s Message-ID: <0215CE2F-05D4-4C63-8508-0728CE3393E1@mac.com> http://www.macworld.co.uk/digitallifestyle/news/index.cfm?RSS&NewsID=20066 The announcements include the world's first 128GB Flash memory card to be made available for mass-market implementations. These drives will be launched later in the year in 1.8-inch and 2.5-inch versions. Samsung's 128GB SSD will be demonstrated in a notebook PC at CES 2008 in its Semiconductor Product Showcase, Room N236, at the Las Vegas Convention Center. It offers a write speed of 70MB/s and a read speed of 100MB/s. It also offers a 3.0 gigabit-per-second SATA II interface and low power consumption (c.0.5-Watts in active mode). -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /mailman/archive/macosx-talk/attachments/20080107/612097a5/attachment.html From joar at joar.com Mon Jan 7 11:36:45 2008 From: joar at joar.com (j o a r) Date: Mon Jan 7 11:42:15 2008 Subject: Samsung's 128GB SSD will be demonstrated in a notebook PC -write speed of 70MB/s and a read speed of 100MB/s In-Reply-To: <0215CE2F-05D4-4C63-8508-0728CE3393E1@mac.com> References: <0215CE2F-05D4-4C63-8508-0728CE3393E1@mac.com> Message-ID: <6CD0F73B-1B26-45DB-A77D-C5E6F03483C1@joar.com> On Jan 7, 2008, at 11:23 AM, Kevin Callahan wrote: > The announcements include the world's first 128GB Flash memory card > to be made available for mass-market implementations. These drives > will be launched later in the year in 1.8-inch and 2.5-inch versions. > > Samsung's 128GB SSD will be demonstrated in a notebook PC at CES > 2008 in its Semiconductor Product Showcase, Room N236, at the Las > Vegas Convention Center. It offers a write speed of 70MB/s and a > read speed of 100MB/s. It also offers a 3.0 gigabit-per-second SATA > II interface and low power consumption (c.0.5-Watts in active mode). Great news! Perhaps the era of spinning disk storage is finally coming to an end? It would be interesting to know what type of price and MTBF that they're expecting these devices to have. j o a r From chad at objectwerks.com Mon Jan 7 13:00:35 2008 From: chad at objectwerks.com (objectwerks inc) Date: Mon Jan 7 13:01:10 2008 Subject: Samsung's 128GB SSD will be demonstrated in a notebook PC -write speed of 70MB/s and a read speed of 100MB/s In-Reply-To: <6CD0F73B-1B26-45DB-A77D-C5E6F03483C1@joar.com> References: <0215CE2F-05D4-4C63-8508-0728CE3393E1@mac.com> <6CD0F73B-1B26-45DB-A77D-C5E6F03483C1@joar.com> Message-ID: On Jan 7, 2008, at 12:36 PM, j o a r wrote: > > On Jan 7, 2008, at 11:23 AM, Kevin Callahan wrote: > >> The announcements include the world's first 128GB Flash memory card >> to be made available for mass-market implementations. These drives >> will be launched later in the year in 1.8-inch and 2.5-inch versions. >> >> Samsung's 128GB SSD will be demonstrated in a notebook PC at CES >> 2008 in its Semiconductor Product Showcase, Room N236, at the Las >> Vegas Convention Center. It offers a write speed of 70MB/s and a >> read speed of 100MB/s. It also offers a 3.0 gigabit-per-second SATA >> II interface and low power consumption (c.0.5-Watts in active mode). > > > Great news! Perhaps the era of spinning disk storage is finally > coming to an end? I don't think so. Remember that disks are 8x that (almost an order of magnitude) and are likely to keep growing in capacity. These may replace small disks in some devices (iPods, maybe notebooks, etc) but not as a general replacement for disks > > It would be interesting to know what type of price and MTBF that > they're expecting these devices to have. > Yes, I agree. Flash has, as I understand it, a certain number of write cycles you can do with it. I wonder how that compares to normal disks and how "normal" use (paging/swaping, etc) of a system compares to these limits Chad > j o a r > > > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-talk mailing list > MacOSX-talk@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-talk From joar at joar.com Mon Jan 7 14:26:34 2008 From: joar at joar.com (j o a r) Date: Mon Jan 7 14:26:42 2008 Subject: Samsung's 128GB SSD will be demonstrated in a notebook PC -write speed of 70MB/s and a read speed of 100MB/s In-Reply-To: References: <0215CE2F-05D4-4C63-8508-0728CE3393E1@mac.com> <6CD0F73B-1B26-45DB-A77D-C5E6F03483C1@joar.com> Message-ID: <0DA91037-5761-4FC8-B0BF-DBAF1A1D4B7B@joar.com> On Jan 7, 2008, at 1:00 PM, objectwerks inc wrote: > I don't think so. Remember that disks are 8x that (almost an order > of magnitude) and are likely to keep growing in capacity. 8X is not all that much, and note that the HDs used for portables are often even smaller than these flash drives (though obviously most likely a lot cheaper). I think that the interesting point is that this is already large enough to host system + apps + documents for the vast majority of people. Those who need more space already frequently buy secondary external drives for their pictures + music + video, and I expect that these secondary drives will still be regular HDs for years and years to come - As the most important factor is the price / volume ratio. But with this in mind, it's interesting to consider how soon all systems sold by Apple could ship without a HD for mass storage. I remember when that was last the case, and when floppies were used instead. It was quite a while ago! j o a r From charles.dyer at gmail.com Mon Jan 7 18:53:14 2008 From: charles.dyer at gmail.com (Charles Dyer) Date: Mon Jan 7 18:53:23 2008 Subject: iTunes In-Reply-To: <993327D3-C542-4FAD-991B-A108C380AF0F@kreme.com> References: <3A06A250-344B-4C9F-A382-49812FAE9DB2@comcast.net> <2D924C8C-E43D-49B3-8021-2218909472F2@kreme.com> <5bbc0cd60801070409w45a693cdx577dc68e52a22e69@mail.gmail.com> <993327D3-C542-4FAD-991B-A108C380AF0F@kreme.com> Message-ID: On 07 Jan 2008, at 12:49:10, LuKreme wrote: > On 7-Jan-2008, at 05:09, Jared Earle wrote: >> On Dec 29, 2007 8:03 PM, LuKreme wrote: >>> Blame the content-cartel for that one. What you propose would allow >>> you to use the ipod to STEAL MUSIC and copy your own files to your >>> own >>> computers. Remember, ripping CDs is THEFT. >> >> No, it isn't. Not even the RIAA think it's theft. > > Various official people have said ripping CDs is stealing, and in at > least one court case the RIAA lawyers had one of their witnesses say > that ripping a CD is stealing and no one jumped up to correct them. > > The RIAA may not have 'said' it, but they have certainly been laying > the groundwork for saying it. You might want to read . It's quite illuminating, especially what the RIAA _doesn't_ say and how they say what they _do_ say. And then, of course, there's this gem: You can't make this stuff up. From johnmusbach1 at gmail.com Mon Jan 7 22:35:16 2008 From: johnmusbach1 at gmail.com (John Musbach) Date: Mon Jan 7 22:35:18 2008 Subject: Samsung's 128GB SSD will be demonstrated in a notebook PC -write speed of 70MB/s and a read speed of 100MB/s In-Reply-To: <0215CE2F-05D4-4C63-8508-0728CE3393E1@mac.com> References: <0215CE2F-05D4-4C63-8508-0728CE3393E1@mac.com> Message-ID: <17c8e29e0801072235u277e85b7m87046d99ce1e405@mail.gmail.com> On Jan 7, 2008 11:23 AM, Kevin Callahan wrote: > Samsung's 128GB SSD will be demonstrated in a notebook PC at CES 2008 in its > Semiconductor Product Showcase, Room N236, at the Las Vegas Convention > Center. It offers a write speed of 70MB/s and a read speed of 100MB/s. It > also offers a 3.0 gigabit-per-second SATA II interface and low power > consumption (c.0.5-Watts in active mode). This is fabulous, if Apple were to use this as the storage medium for their ultraslim macbook then it might just become a possible purchase for me (this and if they have some kind of at least external optical drive available for purchase with the macbook) -- Best Regards, John Musbach From kcall at mac.com Tue Jan 8 09:09:28 2008 From: kcall at mac.com (Kevin Callahan) Date: Tue Jan 8 09:09:35 2008 Subject: new Mac Pro !!! Message-ID: http://www.apple.com/macpro/ From joar at joar.com Tue Jan 8 10:01:14 2008 From: joar at joar.com (j o a r) Date: Tue Jan 8 10:01:22 2008 Subject: new Mac Pro !!! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Jan 8, 2008, at 9:09 AM, Kevin Callahan wrote: > http://www.apple.com/macpro/ ...and an updated Xserve: j o a r From cb at df.lth.se Tue Jan 8 09:55:53 2008 From: cb at df.lth.se (Christian Brunschen) Date: Tue Jan 8 10:28:35 2008 Subject: new Mac Pro !!! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6339AE1B-61C8-450B-AA43-8D037BC50377@df.lth.se> ... and Xserve: http://www.apple.com/xserve/ // Christian Brunschen On 8 Jan 2008, at 17:09, Kevin Callahan wrote: > http://www.apple.com/macpro/ > > > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-talk mailing list > MacOSX-talk@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-talk From cb at df.lth.se Tue Jan 8 09:55:53 2008 From: cb at df.lth.se (Christian Brunschen) Date: Tue Jan 8 10:43:26 2008 Subject: new Mac Pro !!! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6339AE1B-61C8-450B-AA43-8D037BC50377@df.lth.se> ... and Xserve: http://www.apple.com/xserve/ // Christian Brunschen On 8 Jan 2008, at 17:09, Kevin Callahan wrote: > http://www.apple.com/macpro/ > > > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-talk mailing list > MacOSX-talk@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-talk From dave at openedgemedia.com Tue Jan 8 11:16:36 2008 From: dave at openedgemedia.com (David Evenson) Date: Tue Jan 8 11:17:12 2008 Subject: new Mac Pro !!! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3454A029-E722-4278-BBBB-79DCDAAE88E1@openedgemedia.com> Anyone know if we can stick one of those NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GT's in an older Mac Pro? -d On Jan 8, 2008, at 10:09 AM, Kevin Callahan wrote: > http://www.apple.com/macpro/ > > > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-talk mailing list > MacOSX-talk@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-talk From newslists at autonomy.caltech.edu Tue Jan 8 13:03:59 2008 From: newslists at autonomy.caltech.edu (R.L. Grigg) Date: Tue Jan 8 13:04:02 2008 Subject: new Mac Pro !!! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: How is going from 3.0GHz to 3.2GHz "up to 2x faster"? Basically same specs, same case,... a bit underwhelming... Russ On Jan 8, 2008, at 9:09 AM, Kevin Callahan wrote: > http://www.apple.com/macpro/ > From neil at laubenthal.net Tue Jan 8 13:14:17 2008 From: neil at laubenthal.net (Neil Laubenthal) Date: Tue Jan 8 13:14:31 2008 Subject: new Mac Pro !!! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20080108161417.4nljk6179o4kc8ss@webmail.his.com> Quoting "R.L. Grigg" : > How is going from 3.0GHz to 3.2GHz "up to 2x faster"? > Basically same specs, same case,... a bit underwhelming... > Russ One would presume that since this is a newer revision of the chip that it's more efficient at the same clock speed . . . sort of like the performance bump when going from Core Duo to Core 2 Duo. From shawnce at gmail.com Tue Jan 8 13:27:22 2008 From: shawnce at gmail.com (Shawn Erickson) Date: Tue Jan 8 13:27:24 2008 Subject: new Mac Pro !!! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Jan 8, 2008 1:03 PM, R.L. Grigg wrote: > How is going from 3.0GHz to 3.2GHz "up to 2x faster"? > Basically same specs, same case,... a bit underwhelming... It has a newer chipset that better supports 8-cores, has better FSB bandwidth, PCIe v2.0, etc. New Mac Pro chipset: (at least I believe it using that) Old Mac Pro chipset: Also the processors are 45nm based (more power efficient _and_ higher performance), have larger L2 caches, SSE4, etc. -Shawn From kremels at kreme.com Tue Jan 8 14:23:36 2008 From: kremels at kreme.com (LuKreme) Date: Tue Jan 8 14:23:40 2008 Subject: Samsung's 128GB SSD will be demonstrated in a notebook PC -write speed of 70MB/s and a read speed of 100MB/s In-Reply-To: <17c8e29e0801072235u277e85b7m87046d99ce1e405@mail.gmail.com> References: <0215CE2F-05D4-4C63-8508-0728CE3393E1@mac.com> <17c8e29e0801072235u277e85b7m87046d99ce1e405@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <28314402-465A-486E-9593-792C2E2606E7@kreme.com> On 7-Jan-2008, at 23:35, John Musbach wrote: > On Jan 7, 2008 11:23 AM, Kevin Callahan wrote: >> Samsung's 128GB SSD will be demonstrated in a notebook PC at CES >> 2008 in its >> Semiconductor Product Showcase, Room N236, at the Las Vegas >> Convention >> Center. It offers a write speed of 70MB/s and a read speed of 100MB/ >> s. It >> also offers a 3.0 gigabit-per-second SATA II interface and low power >> consumption (c.0.5-Watts in active mode). > > This is fabulous, if Apple were to use this as the storage medium for > their ultraslim macbook then it might just become a possible purchase > for me (this and if they have some kind of at least external optical > drive available for purchase with the macbook) Well this drive is brand new, and I doubt it's in the new slimbook, if that in fact exists. Most likely it is a smaller flash drive, around 32GB or so. However, it bodes well for the future. I expect that the slimbook will have a firewire port and a USB2 port for attaching any peripherals, whether they be external drives, optical drives, or even TDM and attaching to another Mac. I suspect that any Macintosh slimbook will be targeted at people who already have a Mac, so that, for example, it is setup to 'dock' and synch much like a iPod. In fact, it would not be all that bad if instead of firewire/usb it just had a dock connecter and the way to install software is through a dock and sync process. I'd be quite happy with something that had a decent resolution screen (maybe twice the size of the iphone or larger), touch capabilities, no drives, and a slide-out keyboard in the new ultra-slim form factor. If it was the size of one of those keyboards (the screen, I mean) that would be spectacular. It has to have a keyboard though. The touch keyboard on the iTouch/ iPhone is quite nice, but I can't see using it for typing a lot. For example, this email. -- A man, in a word, who should never have been taught to write and whom, if unhappily gifted with that ability, should have been restrained by an Act of Parliment from writing Reminiscences. - PG Wodehouse From glennc at mac.com Tue Jan 8 13:36:54 2008 From: glennc at mac.com (Glenn Carnagey) Date: Tue Jan 8 14:36:06 2008 Subject: iTunes In-Reply-To: References: <3A06A250-344B-4C9F-A382-49812FAE9DB2@comcast.net> <2D924C8C-E43D-49B3-8021-2218909472F2@kreme.com> <5bbc0cd60801070409w45a693cdx577dc68e52a22e69@mail.gmail.com> <993327D3-C542-4FAD-991B-A108C380AF0F@kreme.com> Message-ID: <6494EF4C-62C5-4B87-B74B-D252B4ADE717@mac.com> On Jan 7, 2008, at 8:53 PM, Charles Dyer wrote: > On 07 Jan 2008, at 12:49:10, LuKreme wrote: > >> On 7-Jan-2008, at 05:09, Jared Earle wrote: >>> On Dec 29, 2007 8:03 PM, LuKreme wrote: >>>> Blame the content-cartel for that one. What you propose would allow >>>> you to use the ipod to STEAL MUSIC and copy your own files to >>>> your own >>>> computers. Remember, ripping CDs is THEFT. >>> >>> No, it isn't. Not even the RIAA think it's theft. >> >> Various official people have said ripping CDs is stealing, and in >> at least one court case the RIAA lawyers had one of their witnesses >> say that ripping a CD is stealing and no one jumped up to correct >> them. >> >> The RIAA may not have 'said' it, but they have certainly been >> laying the groundwork for saying it. > > You might want to read >. It's quite illuminating, especially what the RIAA _doesn't_ say > and how they say what they _do_ say. > > And then, of course, there's this gem: > > > You can't make this stuff up. "When I use a word," Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone. "It means just what I choose it to mean - neither more or less." "The question is," said Alice, "whether you can make words mean so many different things." "The question is," said Humpty Dumpty, "which is to be master - that's all." g./ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /mailman/archive/macosx-talk/attachments/20080108/8637874a/attachment.html From ehrich at mninter.net Tue Jan 8 18:17:01 2008 From: ehrich at mninter.net (William Ehrich) Date: Tue Jan 8 18:17:16 2008 Subject: dashboardadvisoryd Message-ID: <47842E9D.7010308@mninter.net> I haven't used dashboard. I think it keeps trying to call home. What for? How can I kill it? -- Bill Ehrich From kremels at kreme.com Tue Jan 8 21:10:42 2008 From: kremels at kreme.com (LuKreme) Date: Tue Jan 8 21:10:45 2008 Subject: New MacPros Message-ID: <46C37B5B-7C66-4C5D-80B1-027C9F4F7241@kreme.com> Octo-Core is now standard and they have much better video cards (HD2600 XTs or GeForce 8800GTs). I don't want one, I just want a 8800GT to stick in my quad core. Video options are: ATI Radeon HD 2600 XT 256MB (Two dual-link DVI) 2 x ATI Radeon HD 2600 XT 256MB NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GT 512MB (Two dual-link DVI) 3 x ATI Radeon HD 2600 XT 256MB 4 x ATI Radeon HD 2600 XT 256MB NVIDIA Quadro FX 5600 1.5GB (Stereo 3D, two dual-link DVI) Oh, and something about 2.8GHz-3.2Hz or something. I am very happy with everything about my Mac Pro quad core 2GHz except the craptacular 7300GT which I would very much like to replace. So far the only option has been a 512MB x1900 for $400 which I don't think is worth the money. I can get a PCI-E 8800GT for a PC for about $280-$350, so I'd be willing to pay c. $400 for a Mac version, though I am quite miffed that a PCI-E Windows card will not work in a Mac that has an Intel MB and runs Windows better than any Dell. Sigh. -- "I know she's in there," said Verence, holding his crown in his hands in the famous Ai-Se?or-Mexican-Bandits-Have-Raided-Our-Village position From johnmusbach1 at gmail.com Tue Jan 8 22:37:54 2008 From: johnmusbach1 at gmail.com (John Musbach) Date: Tue Jan 8 22:37:58 2008 Subject: dashboardadvisoryd In-Reply-To: <47842E9D.7010308@mninter.net> References: <47842E9D.7010308@mninter.net> Message-ID: <17c8e29e0801082237g1bdb491cxaf1d12bd9f4cd19d@mail.gmail.com> On Jan 8, 2008 6:17 PM, William Ehrich wrote: > I haven't used dashboard. I think it keeps trying to call home. What for? How can I kill it? Someone else asked this question in the following thread and there seem to be some good answers there: http://forums.macosxhints.com/showthread.php?t=57647 ...I personally would not kill that process (although it is possible) because doing so could have adverse effects on your system operation. -- Best Regards, John Musbach From lists at quernstone.com Wed Jan 9 01:55:47 2008 From: lists at quernstone.com (Jonathan Sanderson) Date: Wed Jan 9 01:56:13 2008 Subject: New MacPros In-Reply-To: <46C37B5B-7C66-4C5D-80B1-027C9F4F7241@kreme.com> References: <46C37B5B-7C66-4C5D-80B1-027C9F4F7241@kreme.com> Message-ID: <18AE1B35-A3F5-454C-8D67-86F7552C837C@quernstone.com> On 9 Jan 2008, at 05:10, LuKreme wrote: > I am very happy with everything about my Mac Pro quad core 2GHz > except the craptacular 7300GT which I would very much like to > replace. So far the only option has been a 512MB x1900 for $400 > which I don't think is worth the money. I can get a PCI-E 8800GT for > a PC for about $280-$350, so I'd be willing to pay c. $400 for a Mac > version, though I am quite miffed that a PCI-E Windows card will not > work in a Mac that has an Intel MB and runs Windows better than any > Dell. Sigh. In the UK Apple store, at least, the new cards are available: ATI Radeon HD 2600 XT Graphics Upgrade Kit for Mac Pro: ?90 (shipping: 5 days) NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GT Graphics Upgrade Kit for Mac Pro: ?220 (shipping: 8 days) Prices are including sales tax and shipping. Of interest: the baseline price for a Mac Pro has gone up here, despite the weak dollar, but if you spec a system with just four cores the price tumbles to ?1429. Elsewhere on the UK store, refurb previous-generation four-core Mac Pros, running slower, with less RAM, the 7300 graphics card, and so on are: ?1419. What I can't work out is whether there's less bandwidth per core on the new models than the old four-ways, despite the improved FSB. -- Jonathan Sanderson "If I had more time, I would have written a shorter letter" (Pascal) From andrew.brown at c18.net Wed Jan 9 02:08:20 2008 From: andrew.brown at c18.net (Andrew Brown) Date: Wed Jan 9 02:08:25 2008 Subject: New MacPros In-Reply-To: <18AE1B35-A3F5-454C-8D67-86F7552C837C@quernstone.com> References: <46C37B5B-7C66-4C5D-80B1-027C9F4F7241@kreme.com> <18AE1B35-A3F5-454C-8D67-86F7552C837C@quernstone.com> Message-ID: On 9 Jan 2008, at 10:55, Jonathan Sanderson wrote: > Of interest: the baseline price for a Mac Pro has gone up here, > despite the weak dollar Does Apple pay for its stuff in dollars ? If so, it must have some pretty suicidal suppliers. AB From chad at objectwerks.com Wed Jan 9 02:45:02 2008 From: chad at objectwerks.com (Chad Leigh objectwerks inc) Date: Wed Jan 9 02:45:05 2008 Subject: new Mac Pro !!! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Jan 8, 2008, at 10:09 AM, Kevin Callahan wrote: > http://www.apple.com/macpro/ Figures, since I just got one [previous model] right before Christmas ;-) But I knew they were coming but needed to do it before year end for tax reasons so I am not disappointed at all really (same thing happened with my G5 -- got it 3 years ago in December and new G5s came out soon thereafter IIRC, or maybe it was the PowerBook then, new PowerBooks came out -- one of the two) Chad > > > > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-talk mailing list > MacOSX-talk@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-talk From kremels at kreme.com Wed Jan 9 07:01:54 2008 From: kremels at kreme.com (LuKreme) Date: Wed Jan 9 07:01:57 2008 Subject: new Mac Pro !!! In-Reply-To: <3454A029-E722-4278-BBBB-79DCDAAE88E1@openedgemedia.com> References: <3454A029-E722-4278-BBBB-79DCDAAE88E1@openedgemedia.com> Message-ID: <09AA9C19-69DC-4282-A6B5-9E529B8760C1@kreme.com> On 8-Jan-2008, at 12:16, David Evenson wrote: > On Jan 8, 2008, at 10:09 AM, Kevin Callahan wrote: >> http://www.apple.com/macpro/ > Anyone know if we can stick one of those NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GT's in > an older Mac Pro? Yes, if you can get one. -- I can't die, I haven't seen The Jolson Story - Jetboy From chad at objectwerks.com Wed Jan 9 08:00:37 2008 From: chad at objectwerks.com (Chad Leigh objectwerks inc) Date: Wed Jan 9 08:00:42 2008 Subject: new Mac Pro !!! In-Reply-To: <20080108161417.4nljk6179o4kc8ss@webmail.his.com> References: <20080108161417.4nljk6179o4kc8ss@webmail.his.com> Message-ID: On Jan 8, 2008, at 2:14 PM, Neil Laubenthal wrote: > Quoting "R.L. Grigg" : > >> How is going from 3.0GHz to 3.2GHz "up to 2x faster"? >> Basically same specs, same case,... a bit underwhelming... >> Russ > > One would presume that since this is a newer revision of the chip > that it's more efficient at the same clock speed . . . sort of like > the performance bump when going from Core Duo to Core 2 Duo. Actually, Apple has this disclaimer "* Based on estimated results comparing a preproduction 2.8 GHz 8-core Mac Pro with a 2.66 GHz Quad-Core Mac Pro running professional applications like Maya, modo and Logic Pro." So you get 8 cores vs 4 cores which is 2x. The impressive thing is that from their statement, it appears that you actually can take advantage of the extra cores and get good use out of them. Often extra CPUs follow the law of diminishing returns Chad > > > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-talk mailing list > MacOSX-talk@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-talk From mike at maibaum.org Wed Jan 9 08:11:16 2008 From: mike at maibaum.org (Michael Maibaum) Date: Wed Jan 9 08:11:19 2008 Subject: new Mac Pro !!! In-Reply-To: References: <20080108161417.4nljk6179o4kc8ss@webmail.his.com> Message-ID: <51e113840801090811w71fb9c2eg76aaba008b71ecac@mail.gmail.com> If you look at a lot of the specs it is more like 1.2-1.3. still there is a healthy selection of apps that do take advantage of the 8-cores if you are in the right areas (video, 3D, audio) - of course we are still waiting for a version of photoshop that really takes advantage of all those cores. Just think, clippy could have a couple of cores all to itself, imagine how annoying it could be with all that cpu power for AI ;) On 1/9/08, Chad Leigh objectwerks inc wrote: > > > On Jan 8, 2008, at 2:14 PM, Neil Laubenthal wrote: > > > Quoting "R.L. Grigg" : > > > >> How is going from 3.0GHz to 3.2GHz "up to 2x faster"? > >> Basically same specs, same case,... a bit underwhelming... > >> Russ > > > > One would presume that since this is a newer revision of the chip > > that it's more efficient at the same clock speed . . . sort of like > > the performance bump when going from Core Duo to Core 2 Duo. > > Actually, Apple has this disclaimer > > "* Based on estimated results comparing a preproduction 2.8 GHz 8-core > Mac Pro with a 2.66 GHz Quad-Core Mac Pro running professional > applications like Maya, modo and Logic Pro." > > So you get 8 cores vs 4 cores which is 2x. The impressive thing is > that from their statement, it appears that you actually can take > advantage of the extra cores and get good use out of them. Often > extra CPUs follow the law of diminishing returns > > Chad > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > MacOSX-talk mailing list > > MacOSX-talk@omnigroup.com > > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-talk > > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-talk mailing list > MacOSX-talk@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-talk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /mailman/archive/macosx-talk/attachments/20080109/18ec9580/attachment.html From shawnce at gmail.com Wed Jan 9 09:32:33 2008 From: shawnce at gmail.com (Shawn Erickson) Date: Wed Jan 9 09:32:37 2008 Subject: new Mac Pro !!! In-Reply-To: References: <20080108161417.4nljk6179o4kc8ss@webmail.his.com> Message-ID: On Jan 9, 2008 8:00 AM, Chad Leigh objectwerks inc wrote: > So you get 8 cores vs 4 cores which is 2x. The impressive thing is > that from their statement, it appears that you actually can take > advantage of the extra cores and get good use out of them. Often > extra CPUs follow the law of diminishing returns For some types of work flow you get very good linear scaling with additional cores. Those include many data processing tasks (image processing, rendering, encoding, etc.). Of course bandwidth in other parts of the system can offset gains. Leopard also added much better thread to processor affinity (it now better understands the core / cache topology of the system). -Shawn From chad at objectwerks.com Wed Jan 9 12:13:22 2008 From: chad at objectwerks.com (Chad Leigh objectwerks inc) Date: Wed Jan 9 12:13:31 2008 Subject: new Mac Pro !!! In-Reply-To: References: <20080108161417.4nljk6179o4kc8ss@webmail.his.com> Message-ID: On Jan 9, 2008, at 10:32 AM, Shawn Erickson wrote: > > Leopard also added much better thread to processor affinity (it now > better understands the core / cache topology of the system). Shouldn't I see that when running a processor intensive app? I was running Parallels with XP, and nothing else, and had the Activity Monitor standalone CPU display showing and the pegged processor kept jumping between processors (assuming that the pseudo-LED display maps the same processor to the same LED display)... Chad From shawnce at gmail.com Wed Jan 9 14:35:39 2008 From: shawnce at gmail.com (Shawn Erickson) Date: Wed Jan 9 14:35:42 2008 Subject: new Mac Pro !!! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: FYI 1st gen Mac Pro (2006 release) 1st gen Mac Pro (2007 refresh) 2nd gen Mac Pro On Jan 8, 2008 1:27 PM, Shawn Erickson wrote: > On Jan 8, 2008 1:03 PM, R.L. Grigg wrote: > > How is going from 3.0GHz to 3.2GHz "up to 2x faster"? > > Basically same specs, same case,... a bit underwhelming... > > It has a newer chipset that better supports 8-cores, has better FSB > bandwidth, PCIe v2.0, etc. > > New Mac Pro chipset: > (at least I > believe it using that) > Old Mac Pro chipset: > > Also the processors are 45nm based (more power efficient _and_ higher > performance), have larger L2 caches, SSE4, etc. > > -Shawn > From newslists at autonomy.caltech.edu Wed Jan 9 16:41:48 2008 From: newslists at autonomy.caltech.edu (R.L. Grigg) Date: Wed Jan 9 16:41:52 2008 Subject: Background hiliting of text in TextEdit Message-ID: <2357D12A-7486-4F0A-BBB7-D12BE7956B69@autonomy.caltech.edu> I have a .rtf file where some of the text has been background hilited in yellow. In Pages or TextEdit I dont see how to alter that background hiliting. I can set the background color of the entire document but even that doesnt change the background hiliting of that text which is highly formatted etc so I dont want to just plaintext it. Surely I'm just missing where this attribute is set? Russ From david at IDIOMATRIX.COM Wed Jan 9 18:07:40 2008 From: david at IDIOMATRIX.COM (David Herren) Date: Wed Jan 9 18:08:04 2008 Subject: suggestions on where to look for a webkit crash Message-ID: For some reason, _all_ of my webkit based browsers (Safari, Omniweb, iCab 4.0), when run within my regular user account on my laptop crash when accessing phpMyAdmin on a server that I manage. None of the other browsers available within the same account have this problem (Opera, Firefox, Camino) and can access the very same site just fine. Any suggestions on where I should look to track this down? It's only in my regular user account on my laptop where this is a problem. My admin user can use the webkit browsers just fine. What preference have I likely got corrupted somewhere? /david -- david herren-lage - shoreham, vt "It's negative to think about blowing each other up. That's not a positive thought. That's a Cold War thought. That's a thought when people were enemies of each other." -George W. Bush, Wall Street Journal, Jun 25, 2001 From lomion at gmail.com Wed Jan 9 19:50:08 2008 From: lomion at gmail.com (Larry Sica) Date: Wed Jan 9 19:50:13 2008 Subject: suggestions on where to look for a webkit crash In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Jan 9, 2008, at 9:07 PM, David Herren wrote: > For some reason, _all_ of my webkit based browsers (Safari, Omniweb, > iCab 4.0), when run within my regular user account on my laptop > crash when accessing phpMyAdmin on a server that I manage. None of > the other browsers available within the same account have this > problem (Opera, Firefox, Camino) and can access the very same site > just fine. > > Any suggestions on where I should look to track this down? It's only > in my regular user account on my laptop where this is a problem. My > admin user can use the webkit browsers just fine. What preference > have I likely got corrupted somewhere? > That is unusual. What version of OS X? Do you have any extras installed? Stuff like SIMBL or any safari add ons? --Larry From johnmusbach1 at gmail.com Wed Jan 9 21:17:12 2008 From: johnmusbach1 at gmail.com (John Musbach) Date: Wed Jan 9 21:17:14 2008 Subject: suggestions on where to look for a webkit crash In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <17c8e29e0801092117xcbc6ff0tc7b523d6ec2dc114@mail.gmail.com> On Jan 9, 2008 6:07 PM, David Herren wrote: > For some reason, _all_ of my webkit based browsers (Safari, Omniweb, > iCab 4.0), when run within my regular user account on my laptop crash > when accessing phpMyAdmin on a server that I manage. None of the other > browsers available within the same account have this problem (Opera, > Firefox, Camino) and can access the very same site just fine. When the browser crashes, please click report and paste the report log here so that we can diagnose this better. -- Best Regards, John Musbach From johnmusbach1 at gmail.com Wed Jan 9 21:27:51 2008 From: johnmusbach1 at gmail.com (John Musbach) Date: Wed Jan 9 21:27:57 2008 Subject: Background hiliting of text in TextEdit In-Reply-To: <2357D12A-7486-4F0A-BBB7-D12BE7956B69@autonomy.caltech.edu> References: <2357D12A-7486-4F0A-BBB7-D12BE7956B69@autonomy.caltech.edu> Message-ID: <17c8e29e0801092127r69809082y312c8b7e8b73a586@mail.gmail.com> On Jan 9, 2008 4:41 PM, R.L. Grigg wrote: > I have a .rtf file where some of the text has been background hilited > in yellow. In Pages or TextEdit I dont see how to alter that > background hiliting. I can set the background color of the entire > document but even that doesnt change the background hiliting of that > text which is highly formatted etc so I dont want to just plaintext > it. Surely I'm just missing where this attribute is set? Hello try opening the document in TextEdit and then going to TextEdit>Preferences>Open and Save>check "Ignore rich text commands in HTML files">click the red X on that dialog in the top left corner ...hopefully that'll resolve this issue for you :) -- Best Regards, John Musbach From david at idiomatrix.com Thu Jan 10 05:05:29 2008 From: david at idiomatrix.com (David Herren) Date: Thu Jan 10 05:05:45 2008 Subject: suggestions on where to look for a webkit crash In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5C17DDA2-2FC1-4BAE-9F6F-06657153935F@idiomatrix.com> On Jan 9, 2008, at 10:50 PM, Larry Sica wrote: > That is unusual. What version of OS X? Do you have any extras > installed? Stuff like SIMBL or any safari add ons? Leopard, the latest update, running on a powerbook G4. I _never_ install haxies of any kinds and I generally use only cocoa based apps (which is why I now have a copy of iCab 4.0 in addition to my favorite Omniweb) Scott Anguish sent me a message to check out the webkit shared cookies.plist. Deleting that file and things are working once again... Thanks, Scott! /david -- david herren - shoreham, vt us na terra solsys orionarm BushCo: Pissing the world off since the year 2000! From kremels at kreme.com Thu Jan 10 06:51:16 2008 From: kremels at kreme.com (LuKreme) Date: Thu Jan 10 06:51:19 2008 Subject: suggestions on where to look for a webkit crash In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <61064C3B-F167-4D29-A17A-7B899571D07C@kreme.com> On 9-Jan-2008, at 19:07, David Herren wrote: > For some reason, _all_ of my webkit based browsers (Safari, Omniweb, > iCab 4.0), when run within my regular user account on my laptop > crash when accessing phpMyAdmin on a server that I manage. None of > the other browsers available within the same account have this > problem (Opera, Firefox, Camino) and can access the very same site > just fine. I run phpMyAdmin on one of my remote servers and have accessed it with Safari 3. I also run my machine under a non-admin user. I've not seen any crashing, but I've not used phpMyAdmin much recently. I did just load it up, login, and muck about in my blog databse for a second to see that everything worked. Do you have anything installed like SIMBL (used for pithhelmet)? -- Stomach in! Chest out! on your marks! get set! GO! Now, now that you're free, what are you gonna be? Who are you gonna see? And where, where will you go, and how will you know you didn't get it all wro-o-o- o-o-ng? From newslists at autonomy.caltech.edu Thu Jan 10 13:55:49 2008 From: newslists at autonomy.caltech.edu (R.L. Grigg) Date: Thu Jan 10 13:55:52 2008 Subject: Background hiliting of text in TextEdit In-Reply-To: <17c8e29e0801092127r69809082y312c8b7e8b73a586@mail.gmail.com> References: <2357D12A-7486-4F0A-BBB7-D12BE7956B69@autonomy.caltech.edu> <17c8e29e0801092127r69809082y312c8b7e8b73a586@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <778E51B6-7362-412E-80C8-A7195185F3BC@autonomy.caltech.edu> On Jan 9, 2008, at 9:27 PM, John Musbach wrote: > On Jan 9, 2008 4:41 PM, R.L. Grigg > wrote: >> I have a .rtf file where some of the text has been background hilited >> in yellow. In Pages or TextEdit I dont see how to alter that >> background hiliting. I can set the background color of the entire >> document but even that doesnt change the background hiliting of that >> text which is highly formatted etc so I dont want to just plaintext >> it. Surely I'm just missing where this attribute is set? > > Hello try opening the document in TextEdit and then going to > TextEdit>Preferences>Open and Save>check "Ignore rich text commands in > HTML files">click the red X on that dialog in the top left corner > ...hopefully that'll resolve this issue for you :) Hi John, Hmm, no change. I found a way to reproduce it though. Just select some background hilited text from a web page in Safari and then paste it into a rich text TextEdit window. The hiliting attribute is apparently uneditable. Russ From johnmusbach1 at gmail.com Thu Jan 10 14:31:31 2008 From: johnmusbach1 at gmail.com (John Musbach) Date: Thu Jan 10 14:31:34 2008 Subject: Background hiliting of text in TextEdit In-Reply-To: <778E51B6-7362-412E-80C8-A7195185F3BC@autonomy.caltech.edu> References: <2357D12A-7486-4F0A-BBB7-D12BE7956B69@autonomy.caltech.edu> <17c8e29e0801092127r69809082y312c8b7e8b73a586@mail.gmail.com> <778E51B6-7362-412E-80C8-A7195185F3BC@autonomy.caltech.edu> Message-ID: <17c8e29e0801101431v6262f4eenc68c559503a1f846@mail.gmail.com> On Jan 10, 2008 1:55 PM, R.L. Grigg wrote: > Hi John, > Hmm, no change. I found a way to reproduce it though. Just select > some background hilited text from a web page in Safari and then paste > it into a rich text TextEdit window. The hiliting attribute is > apparently uneditable. I know what you mean, I've had this happen myself and find it very annoying. I am not sure how to remove it short of making it plain text and loosing all formatting and also wish that there was a straightforward way to fix this. It seems a little funky IMO that TextEdit supports text highlighting yet gives no user options to change the highlight color. -- Best Regards, John Musbach From kremels at kreme.com Thu Jan 10 19:50:15 2008 From: kremels at kreme.com (LuKreme) Date: Thu Jan 10 19:50:18 2008 Subject: Highlighting (was Re: Background hiliting of text in TextEdit) In-Reply-To: <17c8e29e0801101431v6262f4eenc68c559503a1f846@mail.gmail.com> References: <2357D12A-7486-4F0A-BBB7-D12BE7956B69@autonomy.caltech.edu> <17c8e29e0801092127r69809082y312c8b7e8b73a586@mail.gmail.com> <778E51B6-7362-412E-80C8-A7195185F3BC@autonomy.caltech.edu> <17c8e29e0801101431v6262f4eenc68c559503a1f846@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <034719E1-2501-4023-B85C-BC5918AF461F@kreme.com> On 10-Jan-2008, at 15:31, John Musbach wrote: > It seems a little funky IMO that TextEdit supports text highlighting > yet gives no user options to change the highlight color. TextEdit does NOT support background color on text though, it only supports background color on the entire document. As I recall, these are two different things in rtf. You can always open the rtf in BBEdit<1>, find the offending background, and remove it. <1> TextWrangler, nvi, vim, emacs, joe, pico, nana, &c &c. -- Badges? We ain't got no badges. We don't need no badges. I don't have to show you any stinking badges. From kremels at kreme.com Thu Jan 10 22:51:51 2008 From: kremels at kreme.com (LuKreme) Date: Thu Jan 10 22:51:55 2008 Subject: New 8800GT card from Apple Message-ID: NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GT Graphics Upgrade Kit for Mac Pro The NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GT features 512MB of dedicated GDDR3 memory, uses the PCI Express 2.0 interface, and includes two dual-link DVI ports. Overview For advanced graphics performance, choose the latest-generation NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GT with 512MB of GDDR3 video memory. With a unified shader core and massive memory bandwidth, the NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GT brings advanced performance to graphics-intensive applications like motion graphics, 3D modeling, rendering, and animation. It features a PCI Express 2.0 interface for a high-bandwidth connection to the Mac Pro and two dual-link DVI ports for connecting up to two 30-inch Apple Cinema HD Displays. Customer Rating (1 star) Written by JP January 10, 2008 I have been waiting for over a year for an upgrade to the 7300gt in my Mac Pro. It is finally released and then Apple claims it won't work in my machine. If this card will not work in my Mac Pro, my Mac Pro is either going on ebay or in the dumpster and I am buying a PC. Enough is enough. (14 of 22 people found this review useful) OK, I am confused. This card requires PCI-E 2.0 and only the new Macs have PCI-E 2.0? If so, that is completely retarded and I'm extremely pissed off. Apple has never offered a viable upgrade card to the Mac Pro (the x1900 is far too expensive for what it is). Someone needs to figure out how to get regular PCI-E cards to work in the Mac Pros. It's really annoying as I was prepared to buy this card. -- The older you get the more you need the people you knew when you were young. From psarge at gmail.com Fri Jan 11 00:12:08 2008 From: psarge at gmail.com (Paul Sargent) Date: Fri Jan 11 00:12:11 2008 Subject: New 8800GT card from Apple In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <68aed4c30801110012k3c88ab99r70ce14b4fddc0829@mail.gmail.com> On Jan 11, 2008 7:51 AM, LuKreme wrote: > > If so, that is completely retarded and I'm extremely pissed off. > Apple has never offered a viable upgrade card to the Mac Pro (the > x1900 is far too expensive for what it is). Someone needs to figure > out how to get regular PCI-E cards to work in the Mac Pros. It's > really annoying as I was prepared to buy this card. > The thing is, without Apple support you don't have drivers*. The only options would be the PC versions of cards that Apple already sells. Granted, thats probably a lot cheaper, but it doesn't really increase the choice. I agree that Apple's limited selection of GPUs is really annoying, especially given that they actually get used on the Mac. Paul * You may get lucky and some "families" of card may work, but I'd guess it wouldn't be 100% -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /mailman/archive/macosx-talk/attachments/20080111/2007fed3/attachment.html From psarge at gmail.com Fri Jan 11 00:15:50 2008 From: psarge at gmail.com (Paul Sargent) Date: Fri Jan 11 00:15:55 2008 Subject: New 8800GT card from Apple In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <68aed4c30801110015i1c7a06e7ra8f0ef591a1abb@mail.gmail.com> On Jan 11, 2008 7:51 AM, LuKreme wrote: > > OK, I am confused. This card requires PCI-E 2.0 and only the new Macs > have PCI-E 2.0? > > >From Wikipedia: > PCI Express 2.0 > > PCI-SIG announced the availability of the PCI Express Base 2.0 specification on > 15 January 2007.[4] PCIe 2.0 doubles the bus standard's bandwidth from 2.5 Gbit/s > to 5 Gbit/s, meaning a x32 connector can transfer data at up to 16 GB/s in each > direction. > PCIe 2.0 is completely backwards compatible with PCIe v1.x. Graphic cards and > motherboards designed for v2.0 will be able to work with v1.1 and v1.0, and vice versa. So it looks like this guy may be mis-informed. From dave at openedgemedia.com Fri Jan 11 00:34:18 2008 From: dave at openedgemedia.com (David Evenson) Date: Fri Jan 11 00:34:55 2008 Subject: New 8800GT card from Apple In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <02D74FF8-B056-4F41-8076-FBCEBB04340F@openedgemedia.com> On Jan 10, 2008, at 11:51 PM, LuKreme wrote: > If so, that is completely retarded and I'm extremely pissed off. > Apple has never offered a viable upgrade card to the Mac Pro (the > x1900 is far too expensive for what it is). Someone needs to figure > out how to get regular PCI-E cards to work in the Mac Pros. It's > really annoying as I was prepared to buy this card. That is pathetic. Apple seriously needs to work it's graphics card issues out. If you're never going to be able upgrade the card in a Mac Pro, why do they even bother giving you the "option"? They may as well just weld the damn thing to motherboard and call it good. At least then you *know* you're fucked. 8800's have been available for generic PC hardware for almost a year. Count me as pissed off as well. -d From alsina at mac.com Fri Jan 11 07:26:14 2008 From: alsina at mac.com (Cesar Alsina) Date: Fri Jan 11 07:26:21 2008 Subject: Background hiliting of text in TextEdit In-Reply-To: <2357D12A-7486-4F0A-BBB7-D12BE7956B69@autonomy.caltech.edu> References: <2357D12A-7486-4F0A-BBB7-D12BE7956B69@autonomy.caltech.edu> Message-ID: (I replied this yesterday; just realized that was only to R.L.. Here's the tip...) On Jan 9, 2008, at 7:41 PM, R.L. Grigg wrote: > I have a .rtf file where some of the text has been background > hilited in yellow. In Pages or TextEdit I dont see how to alter that > background hiliting. I can set the background color of the entire > document but even that doesnt change the background hiliting of that > text which is highly formatted etc so I dont want to just plaintext > it. Surely I'm just missing where this attribute is set? R.L., it's in the Inspector > Text > More. Once there, you will see the second section Background Fills. Play with it, and with the color of the text back in Color & Alignment in Inspector > Text > Text. That would be Pages. Cesar Alsina .... Cesar Alsina | GraphicBiz Corp. | We cover the whole world! Graphic Design & Publishing Web Architecture & Information Design http://www.graphicbiz.biz : alsina@graphicbiz.biz -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /mailman/archive/macosx-talk/attachments/20080111/81f9c445/attachment.html From kremels at kreme.com Fri Jan 11 08:26:12 2008 From: kremels at kreme.com (LuKreme) Date: Fri Jan 11 08:26:14 2008 Subject: New 8800GT card from Apple In-Reply-To: <68aed4c30801110015i1c7a06e7ra8f0ef591a1abb@mail.gmail.com> References: <68aed4c30801110015i1c7a06e7ra8f0ef591a1abb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6D623325-8B26-496A-B689-8FC6970062DB@kreme.com> On 11-Jan-2008, at 01:15, Paul Sargent wrote: > On Jan 11, 2008 7:51 AM, LuKreme wrote: >> PCIe 2.0 is completely backwards compatible with PCIe v1.x. Graphic >> cards and >> motherboards designed for v2.0 will be able to work with v1.1 and >> v1.0, and vice versa. > > So it looks like this guy may be mis-informed. Apple has been calling people who ordered the cards and telling them that they DO NOT work in any machine but the new 2008 Mac Pro. Apple has told Blizzard they cannot use the new cards in their extensive phalanx of Mac Pros. Blizzard is pissed. I am furious. -- "I hope someday you know the indescribable joy of having children, and of paying someone else to raise them." From dbainbridge at gmail.com Fri Jan 11 08:29:39 2008 From: dbainbridge at gmail.com (David Bainbridge) Date: Fri Jan 11 08:29:44 2008 Subject: New 8800GT card from Apple In-Reply-To: <02D74FF8-B056-4F41-8076-FBCEBB04340F@openedgemedia.com> References: <02D74FF8-B056-4F41-8076-FBCEBB04340F@openedgemedia.com> Message-ID: <30132DFF-25F5-4B18-A910-BA17251197EC@gmail.com> From a PC website(Oct. 28, 2007) that reviewed the PC version of the 8800 GT: This video card also fully supports PCI-Express 2.0 for forward looking systems. Thankfully it is backwards compatible with the current PCI-Express version and you should have no troubles running it on current motherboards. We are using an EVGA 680i motherboard and have had no troubles in single or SLI operation with it. On Jan 11, 2008, at 2:34 AM, David Evenson wrote: > On Jan 10, 2008, at 11:51 PM, LuKreme wrote: > >> If so, that is completely retarded and I'm extremely pissed off. >> Apple has never offered a viable upgrade card to the Mac Pro (the >> x1900 is far too expensive for what it is). Someone needs to >> figure out how to get regular PCI-E cards to work in the Mac Pros. >> It's really annoying as I was prepared to buy this card. > > That is pathetic. Apple seriously needs to work it's graphics card > issues out. If you're never going to be able upgrade the card in a > Mac Pro, why do they even bother giving you the "option"? They may > as well just weld the damn thing to motherboard and call it good. At > least then you *know* you're fucked. > > 8800's have been available for generic PC hardware for almost a > year. Count me as pissed off as well. > > -d > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-talk mailing list > MacOSX-talk@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-talk From newslists at autonomy.caltech.edu Fri Jan 11 09:35:35 2008 From: newslists at autonomy.caltech.edu (R.L. Grigg) Date: Fri Jan 11 09:35:41 2008 Subject: New 8800GT card from Apple In-Reply-To: <6D623325-8B26-496A-B689-8FC6970062DB@kreme.com> References: <68aed4c30801110015i1c7a06e7ra8f0ef591a1abb@mail.gmail.com> <6D623325-8B26-496A-B689-8FC6970062DB@kreme.com> Message-ID: On Jan 11, 2008, at 8:26 AM, LuKreme wrote: > On 11-Jan-2008, at 01:15, Paul Sargent wrote: >> On Jan 11, 2008 7:51 AM, LuKreme wrote: >>> PCIe 2.0 is completely backwards compatible with PCIe v1.x. >>> Graphic cards and >>> motherboards designed for v2.0 will be able to work with v1.1 and >>> v1.0, and vice versa. >> >> So it looks like this guy may be mis-informed. > > Apple has been calling people who ordered the cards and telling > them that they DO NOT work in any machine but the new 2008 Mac > Pro. Apple has told Blizzard they cannot use the new cards in > their extensive phalanx of Mac Pros. Blizzard is pissed. I am > furious. Where did you hear this? Has anyone said *why* the cards won't work and why they cant be made to work? Russ From kcall at mac.com Fri Jan 11 09:36:25 2008 From: kcall at mac.com (Kevin Callahan) Date: Fri Jan 11 09:36:42 2008 Subject: New 8800GT card from Apple In-Reply-To: <6D623325-8B26-496A-B689-8FC6970062DB@kreme.com> References: <68aed4c30801110015i1c7a06e7ra8f0ef591a1abb@mail.gmail.com> <6D623325-8B26-496A-B689-8FC6970062DB@kreme.com> Message-ID: On Jan 11, 2008, at 8:26 AM, LuKreme wrote: > On 11-Jan-2008, at 01:15, Paul Sargent wrote: >> On Jan 11, 2008 7:51 AM, LuKreme wrote: >>> PCIe 2.0 is completely backwards compatible with PCIe v1.x. >>> Graphic cards and >>> motherboards designed for v2.0 will be able to work with v1.1 and >>> v1.0, and vice versa. >> >> So it looks like this guy may be mis-informed. > > Apple has been calling people who ordered the cards and telling them > that they DO NOT work in any machine but the new 2008 Mac Pro. > Apple has told Blizzard they cannot use the new cards in their > extensive phalanx of Mac Pros. Blizzard is pissed. I am furious. http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/geforce8800/ From kremels at kreme.com Fri Jan 11 09:49:32 2008 From: kremels at kreme.com (LuKreme) Date: Fri Jan 11 09:49:34 2008 Subject: New 8800GT card from Apple In-Reply-To: References: <68aed4c30801110015i1c7a06e7ra8f0ef591a1abb@mail.gmail.com> <6D623325-8B26-496A-B689-8FC6970062DB@kreme.com> Message-ID: <6EDCE915-A641-4B08-B292-330476CF9C15@kreme.com> On 11-Jan-2008, at 10:35, R.L. Grigg wrote: > On Jan 11, 2008, at 8:26 AM, LuKreme wrote: >> On 11-Jan-2008, at 01:15, Paul Sargent wrote: >>> On Jan 11, 2008 7:51 AM, LuKreme wrote: >>>> PCIe 2.0 is completely backwards compatible with PCIe v1.x. >>>> Graphic cards and >>>> motherboards designed for v2.0 will be able to work with v1.1 and >>>> v1.0, and vice versa. >>> >>> So it looks like this guy may be mis-informed. >> >> Apple has been calling people who ordered the cards and telling >> them that they DO NOT work in any machine but the new 2008 Mac >> Pro. Apple has told Blizzard they cannot use the new cards in >> their extensive phalanx of Mac Pros. Blizzard is pissed. I am >> furious. > > Where did you hear this? From numerous sources both at Blizzard (on the WoW Forums), macrumors.com, and support.apple.com. > Has anyone said *why* the cards won't work and why they cant be made > to work? No. The cards DO work in the machines (and 8800GT works just fine in any PCI-E Mac Pro), as long as you boot into Windows. This is not a hardware issue, this is an Apple DECISION. -- Look, that's why there's rules, understand? So that you *think* before you break 'em. From matthew.penna at gmail.com Fri Jan 11 09:49:37 2008 From: matthew.penna at gmail.com (Matt Penna) Date: Fri Jan 11 09:49:40 2008 Subject: New 8800GT card from Apple In-Reply-To: References: <68aed4c30801110015i1c7a06e7ra8f0ef591a1abb@mail.gmail.com> <6D623325-8B26-496A-B689-8FC6970062DB@kreme.com> Message-ID: <93216833-E7EB-4516-B83F-234A903DA879@gmail.com> On Jan 11, 2008, at 12:35 PM, R.L. Grigg wrote: > > On Jan 11, 2008, at 8:26 AM, LuKreme wrote: > >> On 11-Jan-2008, at 01:15, Paul Sargent wrote: >>> On Jan 11, 2008 7:51 AM, LuKreme wrote: >>>> PCIe 2.0 is completely backwards compatible with PCIe v1.x. >>>> Graphic cards and >>>> motherboards designed for v2.0 will be able to work with v1.1 and >>>> v1.0, and vice versa. >>> >>> So it looks like this guy may be mis-informed. >> >> Apple has been calling people who ordered the cards and telling >> them that they DO NOT work in any machine but the new 2008 Mac >> Pro. Apple has told Blizzard they cannot use the new cards in >> their extensive phalanx of Mac Pros. Blizzard is pissed. I am >> furious. > > Where did you hear this? Has anyone said *why* the cards won't work > and why they cant be made to work? > Russ There is a discussion about this on the World of Warcraft Mac support forums. You can find some of it here: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=3881778599&sid=1 But in a nutshell, there is an incompatibility with the card's firmware and the older Mac Pro. It's a 32-bit versus 64-bit issue. The Blizzard posters in the linked thread say there are discussions ongoing with Apple. Blizzard does have some leverage, and this problem could conceivably be resolved with a firmware upgrade, so perhaps we'll see a fix. The card won't ship until the end of January, anyway. If Apple is interested in fixing this, they should have time. My take? Assuming this was a deliberate design decision, it's incredibly stupid. The video card issue is one of the last remaining valid criticisms of the Mac as a platform, and it really needs to be resolved. These are PRO machines and need to be upgradable. Wake up, Apple. Matt From kremels at kreme.com Fri Jan 11 10:37:12 2008 From: kremels at kreme.com (LuKreme) Date: Fri Jan 11 10:37:14 2008 Subject: New 8800GT card from Apple In-Reply-To: <93216833-E7EB-4516-B83F-234A903DA879@gmail.com> References: <68aed4c30801110015i1c7a06e7ra8f0ef591a1abb@mail.gmail.com> <6D623325-8B26-496A-B689-8FC6970062DB@kreme.com> <93216833-E7EB-4516-B83F-234A903DA879@gmail.com> Message-ID: On 11-Jan-2008, at 10:49, Matt Penna wrote: > On Jan 11, 2008, at 12:35 PM, R.L. Grigg wrote: >> On Jan 11, 2008, at 8:26 AM, LuKreme wrote: >>> Apple has been calling people who ordered the cards and telling >>> them that they DO NOT work in any machine but the new 2008 Mac >>> Pro. Apple has told Blizzard they cannot use the new cards in >>> their extensive phalanx of Mac Pros. Blizzard is pissed. I am >>> furious. >> Where did you hear this? Has anyone said *why* the cards won't work >> and why they cant be made to work? > But in a nutshell, there is an incompatibility with the card's > firmware and the older Mac Pro. It's a 32-bit versus 64-bit issue. But the EFI2 spec for 64 bit states quite clearly that it is fully compatible with the earlier 32bit spec. > My take? Assuming this was a deliberate design decision, it's > incredibly stupid. The video card issue is one of the last remaining > valid criticisms of the Mac as a platform, and it really needs to be > resolved. These are PRO machines and need to be upgradable. Wake up, > Apple. Absolutely. They had better come around. And quickly; this is going to blow up in their faces otherwise. > -- "We're philosophers. We think, therefore we am." From kcall at mac.com Fri Jan 11 10:53:05 2008 From: kcall at mac.com (Kevin Callahan) Date: Fri Jan 11 10:53:12 2008 Subject: New 8800GT card from Apple In-Reply-To: References: <68aed4c30801110015i1c7a06e7ra8f0ef591a1abb@mail.gmail.com> <6D623325-8B26-496A-B689-8FC6970062DB@kreme.com> <93216833-E7EB-4516-B83F-234A903DA879@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Jan 11, 2008, at 10:37 AM, LuKreme wrote: > Absolutely. They had better come around. And quickly; this is > going to blow up in their faces otherwise. if it's indeed as you and others have described, let's hope they do the right thing K From dave at openedgemedia.com Fri Jan 11 10:58:32 2008 From: dave at openedgemedia.com (David Evenson) Date: Fri Jan 11 10:59:07 2008 Subject: New 8800GT card from Apple In-Reply-To: References: <68aed4c30801110015i1c7a06e7ra8f0ef591a1abb@mail.gmail.com> <6D623325-8B26-496A-B689-8FC6970062DB@kreme.com> <93216833-E7EB-4516-B83F-234A903DA879@gmail.com> Message-ID: <89C3B085-1BD0-4F51-9147-96E0C0917E1A@openedgemedia.com> On Jan 11, 2008, at 11:53 AM, Kevin Callahan wrote: > > On Jan 11, 2008, at 10:37 AM, LuKreme wrote: > >> Absolutely. They had better come around. And quickly; this is >> going to blow up in their faces otherwise. > > if it's indeed as you and others have described, let's hope they do > the right thing Hopefully more info will crop up next week. If anyone is going to MacWorld - find someone and put the screws to them. -d From andrew.brown at c18.net Sat Jan 12 00:20:07 2008 From: andrew.brown at c18.net (Andrew Brown) Date: Sat Jan 12 00:20:12 2008 Subject: Macbook Pro keyboard Message-ID: <72AC4CD4-AC55-4288-806E-462F8913FF99@c18.net> I'm thinking of getting a Macbook Pro 17", no doubt in Paris, but I will want to change the keyboard to QWERTY. Is this easy? How can one order a new keyboard? I can see no trace of them in the Apple shops. -- AB From pelorus at mac.com Sat Jan 12 00:28:31 2008 From: pelorus at mac.com (Matt Johnston) Date: Sat Jan 12 00:28:50 2008 Subject: Macbook Pro keyboard In-Reply-To: <72AC4CD4-AC55-4288-806E-462F8913FF99@c18.net> References: <72AC4CD4-AC55-4288-806E-462F8913FF99@c18.net> Message-ID: It requires installation by someone who knows how to disassemble and reassemble a MacBook. Thus is something we've ( my company) done in the past. You can get the part itself from an AASP or online. M -- http://cimota.com/blog On 12 Jan 2008, at 08:20, Andrew Brown wrote: > I'm thinking of getting a Macbook Pro 17", no doubt in Paris, but I > will want to change the keyboard to QWERTY. Is this easy? How can > one order a new keyboard? I can see no trace of them in the Apple > shops. -- AB > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-talk mailing list > MacOSX-talk@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-talk From neil at laubenthal.net Sat Jan 12 03:26:42 2008 From: neil at laubenthal.net (Neil Laubenthal) Date: Sat Jan 12 03:26:57 2008 Subject: Macbook Pro keyboard In-Reply-To: <72AC4CD4-AC55-4288-806E-462F8913FF99@c18.net> References: <72AC4CD4-AC55-4288-806E-462F8913FF99@c18.net> Message-ID: Does the version available in France notcome with QUERTY? I looked at the French store to see . . . but I can't read French so was unable to figure it out. The tech specs say that it comes with either a US or an ISO keyboard . . . I would think you can get the Apple store to order you one with a US keyboard. On Jan 12, 2008, at 03:20, Andrew Brown wrote: > I'm thinking of getting a Macbook Pro 17", no doubt in Paris, but I > will want to change the keyboard to QWERTY. Is this easy? How can > one order a new keyboard? I can see no trace of them in the Apple > shops. -- AB > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-talk mailing list > MacOSX-talk@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-talk From andrew.brown at c18.net Sat Jan 12 05:50:23 2008 From: andrew.brown at c18.net (Andrew Brown) Date: Sat Jan 12 05:50:29 2008 Subject: Macbook Pro keyboard In-Reply-To: References: <72AC4CD4-AC55-4288-806E-462F8913FF99@c18.net> Message-ID: <941310B1-76F9-49E2-B04B-3EDE7ADB005E@c18.net> On 12 Jan 2008, at 12:26, Neil Laubenthal wrote: > Does the version available in France notcome with QUERTY? I looked > at the French store to see . . . but I can't read French so was > unable to figure it out. The tech specs say that it comes with > either a US or an ISO keyboard . . . I would think you can get the > Apple store to order you one with a US keyboard. I want UK qwerty. French machines come with azerty, but I would not be buying from Apple, I prefer to pay 500 to 1000 less on Ebay or similar ;-) but of course if the replacement keyboard costs 500 or 1000 I might not be streets ahead. AB From pelorus at mac.com Sat Jan 12 06:43:57 2008 From: pelorus at mac.com (Matt Johnston) Date: Sat Jan 12 06:44:16 2008 Subject: Macbook Pro keyboard In-Reply-To: <941310B1-76F9-49E2-B04B-3EDE7ADB005E@c18.net> References: <72AC4CD4-AC55-4288-806E-462F8913FF99@c18.net> <941310B1-76F9-49E2-B04B-3EDE7ADB005E@c18.net> Message-ID: <4EAFA615-6F7C-484D-B708-75BDC356F36A@mac.com> A replacement keyboard is about ?25, fitting should be about a half hour at the going rate. -- http://cimota.com/blog On 12 Jan 2008, at 13:50, Andrew Brown wrote: > On 12 Jan 2008, at 12:26, Neil Laubenthal wrote: > >> Does the version available in France notcome with QUERTY? I looked >> at the French store to see . . . but I can't read French so was >> unable to figure it out. The tech specs say that it comes with >> either a US or an ISO keyboard . . . I would think you can get the >> Apple store to order you one with a US keyboard. > > I want UK qwerty. French machines come with azerty, but I would not > be buying from Apple, I prefer to pay 500 to 1000 less on Ebay or > similar ;-) but of course if the replacement keyboard costs 500 or > 1000 I might not be streets ahead. > > AB > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-talk mailing list > MacOSX-talk@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-talk From cyril.niklaus at gmail.com Sat Jan 12 07:06:30 2008 From: cyril.niklaus at gmail.com (Cyril Niklaus) Date: Sat Jan 12 07:06:37 2008 Subject: Macbook Pro keyboard In-Reply-To: <4EAFA615-6F7C-484D-B708-75BDC356F36A@mac.com> References: <72AC4CD4-AC55-4288-806E-462F8913FF99@c18.net> <941310B1-76F9-49E2-B04B-3EDE7ADB005E@c18.net> <4EAFA615-6F7C-484D-B708-75BDC356F36A@mac.com> Message-ID: <2FEB149F-053B-4F1C-87E4-C28E768C38F7@gmail.com> On 12 janv. 08, at 23:43, Matt Johnston wrote: > A replacement keyboard is about ?25, fitting should be about a half > hour at the going rate. OK, that's for a pro model, but what about macbooks? One does need to change not only the keyboard but also the casing. Can that be done as well for a reasonanble price? Cyril From pelorus at mac.com Sat Jan 12 07:54:18 2008 From: pelorus at mac.com (Matt Johnston) Date: Sat Jan 12 07:55:28 2008 Subject: Macbook Pro keyboard In-Reply-To: <2FEB149F-053B-4F1C-87E4-C28E768C38F7@gmail.com> References: <72AC4CD4-AC55-4288-806E-462F8913FF99@c18.net> <941310B1-76F9-49E2-B04B-3EDE7ADB005E@c18.net> <4EAFA615-6F7C-484D-B708-75BDC356F36A@mac.com> <2FEB149F-053B-4F1C-87E4-C28E768C38F7@gmail.com> Message-ID: I think the part is about the same. I'm in London and don't have access to my db. :) -- http://cimota.com/blog On 12 Jan 2008, at 15:06, Cyril Niklaus wrote: > > On 12 janv. 08, at 23:43, Matt Johnston wrote: > >> A replacement keyboard is about ?25, fitting should be about a hal >> f hour at the going rate. > > OK, that's for a pro model, but what about macbooks? One does need > to change not only the keyboard but also the casing. Can that be > done as well for a reasonanble price? > > Cyril_______________________________________________ > MacOSX-talk mailing list > MacOSX-talk@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-talk From andrew.brown at c18.net Sun Jan 13 07:29:29 2008 From: andrew.brown at c18.net (Andrew Brown) Date: Sun Jan 13 07:29:34 2008 Subject: Date display Message-ID: <4234A4DD-E4B7-4CBA-980F-C8880E0FEF0F@c18.net> My Mac says it's "Sun 16:25". I almost always know what day it is, what I want to see is the date. Can this be done in the menu bar ? -- AB From aglee at mac.com Sun Jan 13 07:41:51 2008 From: aglee at mac.com (Andy Lee) Date: Sun Jan 13 07:41:58 2008 Subject: Date display In-Reply-To: <4234A4DD-E4B7-4CBA-980F-C8880E0FEF0F@c18.net> References: <4234A4DD-E4B7-4CBA-980F-C8880E0FEF0F@c18.net> Message-ID: http://www.macosxhints.com/article.php?story=20050508000838365 Make sure when you get to the Date part to choose Medium. Works on Leopard as well. You can use System Preferences -> Date & Time -> Show the day of the week to get rid of the day of week. --Andy On Jan 13, 2008, at 10:29 AM, Andrew Brown wrote: > My Mac says it's "Sun 16:25". I almost always know what day it is, > what I want to see is the date. Can this be done in the menu bar ? > -- AB > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-talk mailing list > MacOSX-talk@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-talk From psarge at gmail.com Sun Jan 13 07:53:59 2008 From: psarge at gmail.com (Paul Sargent) Date: Sun Jan 13 07:54:07 2008 Subject: Date display In-Reply-To: <4234A4DD-E4B7-4CBA-980F-C8880E0FEF0F@c18.net> References: <4234A4DD-E4B7-4CBA-980F-C8880E0FEF0F@c18.net> Message-ID: On 13 Jan 2008, at 15:29, Andrew Brown wrote: > My Mac says it's "Sun 16:25". I almost always know what day it is, > what I want to see is the date. Can this be done in the menu bar ? > -- AB This is something I use iStat menus for. You can customise the date/ time string as much as you want, and when you pull the menu down you get a calendar of the current month. Mine currently says '13/01 15:50" Also has lots of other useful bits. Don't let the screen shots worry you, you can switch it out of big ugly black mode back to aqua. http://www.islayer.com/index.php?op=item&id=28 From andrew.brown at c18.net Sun Jan 13 08:08:38 2008 From: andrew.brown at c18.net (Andrew Brown) Date: Sun Jan 13 08:08:42 2008 Subject: Date display In-Reply-To: References: <4234A4DD-E4B7-4CBA-980F-C8880E0FEF0F@c18.net> Message-ID: <45CD25EF-4793-46A4-B28D-9A6C4D4C8970@c18.net> On 13 Jan 2008, at 16:41, Andy Lee wrote: > http://www.macosxhints.com/article.php?story=20050508000838365 Thanks Andy, that works fine. It all makes good sense, but I would never have gotten there unaided. A. From rik at aie.com Sun Jan 13 08:09:02 2008 From: rik at aie.com (Rik Ahlberg) Date: Sun Jan 13 08:09:24 2008 Subject: Date display In-Reply-To: References: <4234A4DD-E4B7-4CBA-980F-C8880E0FEF0F@c18.net> Message-ID: <7B6256BD-04C1-4B3F-B5BF-A434443C257B@aie.com> On Jan 13, 2008, at 10:53 AM, Paul Sargent wrote: > > On 13 Jan 2008, at 15:29, Andrew Brown wrote: > >> My Mac says it's "Sun 16:25". I almost always know what day it is, >> what I want to see is the date. Can this be done in the menu bar ? >> -- AB > > This is something I use iStat menus for. You can customise the date/ > time string as much as you want, and when you pull the menu down you > get a calendar of the current month. > http://www.islayer.com/index.php?op=item&id=28 And I'm a longtime user of MenuCalendarClock from ObjectPark, which does much the same... http://www.objectpark.net/mcc.html It puts a menu icon in your menu bar with a popdown calendar and your current to-dos. It integrates with iCal or Entourage and you can use the demo version without registering. Rik From andrew.brown at c18.net Sun Jan 13 08:10:12 2008 From: andrew.brown at c18.net (Andrew Brown) Date: Sun Jan 13 08:10:17 2008 Subject: Macbook Pro keyboard In-Reply-To: <4EAFA615-6F7C-484D-B708-75BDC356F36A@mac.com> References: <72AC4CD4-AC55-4288-806E-462F8913FF99@c18.net> <941310B1-76F9-49E2-B04B-3EDE7ADB005E@c18.net> <4EAFA615-6F7C-484D-B708-75BDC356F36A@mac.com> Message-ID: <46FBD192-6F64-43F2-8F0D-8CB5E6CDA899@c18.net> On 12 Jan 2008, at 15:43, Matt Johnston wrote: > A replacement keyboard is about ?25, fitting should be about a half > hour at the going rate. Thanks, Matt... that adds up to a good deal for those who need to change. A. From aglee at mac.com Sun Jan 13 08:31:57 2008 From: aglee at mac.com (Andy Lee) Date: Sun Jan 13 08:32:03 2008 Subject: Date display In-Reply-To: <45CD25EF-4793-46A4-B28D-9A6C4D4C8970@c18.net> References: <4234A4DD-E4B7-4CBA-980F-C8880E0FEF0F@c18.net> <45CD25EF-4793-46A4-B28D-9A6C4D4C8970@c18.net> Message-ID: <88D0CE2C-542D-4B43-B28B-BB5016A468BB@mac.com> On Jan 13, 2008, at 11:08 AM, Andrew Brown wrote: > On 13 Jan 2008, at 16:41, Andy Lee wrote: >> http://www.macosxhints.com/article.php?story=20050508000838365 > > Thanks Andy, that works fine. It all makes good sense, but I would > never have gotten there unaided. Me neither. I just noticed in the comments on macosxhints that it messed up iCal for some people. Offhand I don't see a problem in iCal, but I don't really use it, so YYMV. If you have the same problem (or are concerned you might), you might want to try the third-party approaches others have suggested. --Andy From steve at paper-ape.com Sun Jan 13 09:41:50 2008 From: steve at paper-ape.com (steve harley) Date: Sun Jan 13 09:42:06 2008 Subject: Date display In-Reply-To: <4234A4DD-E4B7-4CBA-980F-C8880E0FEF0F@c18.net> References: <4234A4DD-E4B7-4CBA-980F-C8880E0FEF0F@c18.net> Message-ID: <478A4D5E.4040908@paper-ape.com> they whom i call Andrew Brown wrote: > My Mac says it's "Sun 16:25". I almost always know what day it is, what > I want to see is the date. Can this be done in the menu bar ? -- AB yes it can, as Andy noted, but i'd take this opportunity to check out MenuCalendarClock, which gives you a very configurable menu item plus an nicely-done drop-down calendar; it's free until you want "advanced" features or until you want to lose the reminder that pops up every few days From wiswp at niue.nu Sun Jan 13 12:08:57 2008 From: wiswp at niue.nu (Bill Wisse) Date: Sun Jan 13 12:09:07 2008 Subject: Date display In-Reply-To: References: <4234A4DD-E4B7-4CBA-980F-C8880E0FEF0F@c18.net> Message-ID: <20251FB9-A9B7-4F1B-856D-741DBF36BB12@niue.nu> On 13/01/2008, at 4:53 AM, Paul Sargent wrote: >> My Mac says it's "Sun 16:25". I almost always know what day it is, >> what I want to see is the date. Can this be done in the menu bar ? >> -- AB > > This is something I use iStat menus for. You can customise the date/ > time string as much as you want, and when you pull the menu down you > get a calendar of the current month. > > Mine currently says '13/01 15:50" > > Also has lots of other useful bits. Don't let the screen shots worry > you, you can switch it out of big ugly black mode back to aqua. > > http://www.islayer.com/index.php?op=item&id=28 I use iClock for that. You get a whole lot of other functions as well. http://osx.iusethis.com/app/iclock Greetings from /bill at 169 west , 19 south. Disclaimer: Any errors in spelling, tact, or fact are transmission errors From macsrwe at macsrwe.com Sun Jan 13 13:26:38 2008 From: macsrwe at macsrwe.com (Macs R We) Date: Sun Jan 13 13:26:44 2008 Subject: Date display In-Reply-To: <20080113200006.31C85B138F@forums.omnigroup.com> References: <20080113200006.31C85B138F@forums.omnigroup.com> Message-ID: <9AE97E29-46E1-42AE-BE38-F8425F26E717@macsrwe.com> On Jan 13, 2008, at 1:00 PM, macosx-talk-request@omnigroup.com wrote: >>> http://www.macosxhints.com/article.php?story=20050508000838365 > Me neither. > > I just noticed in the comments on macosxhints that it messed up iCal > for some people. Offhand I don't see a problem in iCal, but I don't > really use it, so YYMV. I've run my clock this way for years, and the only messy consequence I've seen is in iPhoto. The date appears in the date field (e.g., 1/3/2008) and then again in the time field (e.g., 1/3/08 1:26:07 PM). Especially messy is working with places where iPhoto butts the date and time fields together (such as in the "batch change date of photos" feature), since the date appears twice and the time usually falls past the right margin of the editing field. -- Macs R We -- Personal Macintosh Service and Support in the Wickenburg and far Northwest Valley Areas. http://macsrwe.com From johnmusbach1 at gmail.com Sun Jan 13 13:47:58 2008 From: johnmusbach1 at gmail.com (John Musbach) Date: Sun Jan 13 13:48:06 2008 Subject: Date display In-Reply-To: <4234A4DD-E4B7-4CBA-980F-C8880E0FEF0F@c18.net> References: <4234A4DD-E4B7-4CBA-980F-C8880E0FEF0F@c18.net> Message-ID: <17c8e29e0801131347h52a118fcrb143570dd789a52e@mail.gmail.com> On Jan 13, 2008 7:29 AM, Andrew Brown wrote: > My Mac says it's "Sun 16:25". I almost always know what day it is, > what I want to see is the date. Can this be done in the menu bar ? -- AB Yes, click and hold on the time and you will be presented with a drop down menu that has the full date on it, no modifications necessary :) -- Best Regards, John Musbach From kremels at kreme.com Sun Jan 13 18:47:23 2008 From: kremels at kreme.com (LuKreme) Date: Sun Jan 13 18:47:26 2008 Subject: One more thing... Message-ID: So, Keynote is coming up and it's time to make predictions. 1) Will there be a "One more thing"? 2) What will it be? I think yes, and it'll be a seriously upgrade Apple TV with DVR. Just going out on the limb since everyone else is gonna be guessing slimbook. Now, when is Apple going to buy Adobe and TiVo? They've got the cash. -- [The PSP] could have voice recognition too, so when you go "nyuuurrrrrrrr-uuuuuurrrrrrrrrrr-uuuuuuurrrrrrrrr" you go faster, and when you go "Iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii" you stop From johnmusbach1 at gmail.com Sun Jan 13 22:38:55 2008 From: johnmusbach1 at gmail.com (John Musbach) Date: Sun Jan 13 22:39:03 2008 Subject: [Osx-nutters] One more thing... In-Reply-To: <7925649F-C75C-4F1F-91D3-B73F412A0188@kreme.com> References: <7925649F-C75C-4F1F-91D3-B73F412A0188@kreme.com> Message-ID: <17c8e29e0801132238g204aa8cbqc83ec72e7af40ad1@mail.gmail.com> On Jan 13, 2008 10:35 PM, LuKreme wrote: > [ Again, sent to macosx-talk, hasn't shown up after 4 hours ] I got the macosx-talk email, however I don't think your resend will reach the macosx-talk list since... To: Oi!Nutter! Nutter! Oops! -- Best Regards, John Musbach From scott at cocoadoc.com Sun Jan 13 22:47:19 2008 From: scott at cocoadoc.com (Scott Anguish) Date: Sun Jan 13 22:47:23 2008 Subject: One more thing... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Jan 13, 2008, at 9:47 PM, LuKreme wrote: > > So, Keynote is coming up and it's time to make predictions. > > 1) Will there be a "One more thing"? > > 2) What will it be? > > I think yes, and it'll be a seriously upgrade Apple TV with DVR. > > Just going out on the limb since everyone else is gonna be guessing > slimbook. > > Now, when is Apple going to buy Adobe and TiVo? They've got the cash. What does TiVo have (aside from some patents perhaps) that Apple could really use? The customer base is tiny. The HD version of the device is insanely expensive. DirecTV (which was their largest base I think) basically dumped them when Murdoch owned them (stupid, stupid, stupid) Not that I wouldn't love to have an OS X based Tivo. (my DirecTivo is very old, only SD, and literally irreplaceable). Now, if Apple bought DirecTV... From lists at quernstone.com Mon Jan 14 02:47:30 2008 From: lists at quernstone.com (Jonathan Sanderson) Date: Mon Jan 14 02:47:55 2008 Subject: One more thing... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <998D2BD0-251B-446A-B8A5-4D7CA74E34FD@quernstone.com> On 14 Jan 2008, at 06:47, Scott Anguish wrote: >> Now, when is Apple going to buy Adobe and TiVo? They've got the >> cash. > > What does TiVo have (aside from some patents perhaps) that Apple > could really use? I'd ask the same question about Adobe. Is it really worth all that cash just for Photoshop, InDesign, and a modest number of people who'd rather have Freehand? Flash? Aren't Apple quietly maneuvering WebKit+HTML5+JavaScript+H. 264+SQLite+... as a plugin-free alternative? -- Jonathan Sanderson "If I had more time, I would have written a shorter letter" (Pascal) From lists at toddwarfel.com Mon Jan 14 07:16:15 2008 From: lists at toddwarfel.com (Todd Zaki Warfel) Date: Mon Jan 14 07:40:02 2008 Subject: One more thing... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: OMGsh that would be great. I've been waiting for a sub $800 HD DVR. On Jan 13, 2008, at 9:47 PM, LuKreme wrote: > I think yes, and it'll be a seriously upgrade Apple TV with DVR. Cheers! Todd Zaki Warfel President, Design Researcher Messagefirst | Designing Information. Beautifully. ---------------------------------- Contact Info Voice: (215) 825-7423 Email: todd@messagefirst.com AIM: twarfel@mac.com Blog: http://toddwarfel.com ---------------------------------- In theory, theory and practice are the same. In practice, they are not. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /mailman/archive/macosx-talk/attachments/20080114/457ba2ec/attachment.html From lists at toddwarfel.com Mon Jan 14 07:19:28 2008 From: lists at toddwarfel.com (Todd Zaki Warfel) Date: Mon Jan 14 07:57:00 2008 Subject: One more thing... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Jan 14, 2008, at 1:47 AM, Scott Anguish wrote: > DirecTV (which was their largest base I think) basically dumped them > when Murdoch owned them (stupid, stupid, stupid) > > Not that I wouldn't love to have an OS X based Tivo. (my DirecTivo > is very old, only SD, and literally irreplaceable). > > Now, if Apple bought DirecTV... DTV blows. You can't even split it. You have to run a direct line to every single TV. And if you want HD w/DRV, you need two direct lines to each TV. They brag about their HD channels, but the signal cuts in and out several times a week and in our condo unit, we have two TV drops, but can only get DTV to one. I'd much rather have Comast or Verizon Fios (long story). Short of it?if you're in a home, DTV might be fine, but in apartments and condos, it's horrible. Cheers! Todd Zaki Warfel President, Design Researcher Messagefirst | Designing Information. Beautifully. ---------------------------------- Contact Info Voice: (215) 825-7423 Email: todd@messagefirst.com AIM: twarfel@mac.com Blog: http://toddwarfel.com ---------------------------------- In theory, theory and practice are the same. In practice, they are not. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /mailman/archive/macosx-talk/attachments/20080114/eaedb9d9/attachment.html From erik at barzeski.com Mon Jan 14 07:53:20 2008 From: erik at barzeski.com (Erik J. Barzeski) Date: Mon Jan 14 08:13:58 2008 Subject: One more thing... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Todd (et al), "Todd Zaki Warfel" wrote on 1/14/08 10:16 am: > OMGsh that would be great. I've been waiting for a sub $800 HD DVR. Well I've been happy with the $300 HR-20 from DirecTV. Many had problems early on (I only had one small one as long as I've owned it), but it's been working well since. Of course, it requires a two year DirecTV agreement, but I had no problem with that and have < 9 months left anyway. -- Best wishes, Erik J. Barzeski War never determine who right. War determine who left. - Confuscious ------------------------------------------------------ AIM: iacas BLOG: nslog.com GOLF: thesandtrap.com ------------------------------------------------------ From erik at barzeski.com Mon Jan 14 08:17:14 2008 From: erik at barzeski.com (Erik J. Barzeski) Date: Mon Jan 14 08:17:21 2008 Subject: One more thing... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi, "Todd Zaki Warfel" wrote on 1/14/08 10:19 am: > DTV blows. You can't even split it. You have to run a direct line to every > single TV. And if you want HD w/DRV, you need two direct lines to each TV. The first part's true. The second part - huh? No you don't. You can run one line. You just can't record two shows at once with one line. > They brag about their HD channels, but the signal cuts in and out several > times a week and in our condo unit, we have two TV drops, but can only get DTV > to one. I'd much rather have Comast or Verizon Fios (long story). I'll keep it short since I don't want this discussion to go even more off-topic, but in several years of DTV ownership (in South Florida rains and PA lake-effect snowstorms), I've lost signal two times. Once was during a hurricane and another was during a tremendous storm here in PA. I've enjoyed the expanded HD coverage, find the DVR more than acceptable (the only thing I miss is dual live buffers), and am happy with DTV's service. I still have a TiVo hooked up to my bedroom TV. We almost never watch it, but we don't pay extra for it. I used my house's existing cabling. I'd be interested in an AppleTV that was slightly beefier, though - even though I can currently share DVDs I've ripped onto my computer via my Xbox. :P > Short of it?if you're in a home, DTV might be fine, but in apartments and > condos, it's horrible. Well I had it when I lived in my apartment in Florida (second floor no less), but in general, yes. -- Best wishes, Erik J. Barzeski You don't truly understand something until you can argue it from both sides of the fence. ------------------------------------------------------ AIM: iacas BLOG: nslog.com GOLF: thesandtrap.com ------------------------------------------------------ From lists at toddwarfel.com Mon Jan 14 08:30:41 2008 From: lists at toddwarfel.com (Todd Zaki Warfel) Date: Mon Jan 14 08:30:58 2008 Subject: One more thing... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6BEC3618-B854-4F0A-98F4-2E43DE499872@toddwarfel.com> On Jan 14, 2008, at 11:17 AM, Erik J. Barzeski wrote: > The first part's true. The second part - huh? No you don't. You can > run one line. You just can't record two shows at once with one line. Yes and you can only record what you're watching, which stinks. But to bring it back on topic, if Apple were to buy DirecTV, they'd need to fix the non-splitable issue, which would be really tough, because according to the 7 different DirecTV techs we've had out, that's part of their core technology. Cheers! Todd Zaki Warfel President, Design Researcher Messagefirst | Designing Information. Beautifully. ---------------------------------- Contact Info Voice: (215) 825-7423 Email: todd@messagefirst.com AIM: twarfel@mac.com Blog: http://toddwarfel.com ---------------------------------- In theory, theory and practice are the same. In practice, they are not. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /mailman/archive/macosx-talk/attachments/20080114/30c3164f/attachment.html From lists at toddwarfel.com Mon Jan 14 08:32:34 2008 From: lists at toddwarfel.com (Todd Zaki Warfel) Date: Mon Jan 14 08:32:38 2008 Subject: One more thing... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Jan 14, 2008, at 11:17 AM, Erik J. Barzeski wrote: >> Short of it?if you're in a home, DTV might be fine, but in >> apartments and condos, it's horrible. > > Well I had it when I lived in my apartment in Florida (second floor > no less), but in general, yes. It's funny when you drive through NYC and see apartment buildings decorated with dishes like a christmas tree. Maybe Apple could turn this into HD over WiFi and eliminate some of these issues. Cheers! Todd Zaki Warfel President, Design Researcher Messagefirst | Designing Information. 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URL: /mailman/archive/macosx-talk/attachments/20080114/f56f380a/attachment.html From henry at trilithon.com Mon Jan 14 09:13:52 2008 From: henry at trilithon.com (Henry McGilton) Date: Mon Jan 14 09:25:12 2008 Subject: Potential Mac Virus Message-ID: <5C67ED91-CA2C-4855-A536-E116CCEFA987@trilithon.com> Friend of mine in England says there's a download named codecplay1355.dmg which appears to contain some kind of a Mac virus. ===============================+============================ Henry McGilton, Boulevardier | Trilithon Software Objective-C/Java Composer | Seroia Research -------------------------------+---------------------------- mailto:henry@trilithon.com | http://www.trilithon.com | ===============================+============================ From pelorus at mac.com Mon Jan 14 10:30:19 2008 From: pelorus at mac.com (Matt Johnston) Date: Mon Jan 14 10:30:28 2008 Subject: Potential Mac Virus In-Reply-To: <5C67ED91-CA2C-4855-A536-E116CCEFA987@trilithon.com> References: <5C67ED91-CA2C-4855-A536-E116CCEFA987@trilithon.com> Message-ID: <7FA59E3F-AC05-4C8B-B99D-12FFAA7AC315@mac.com> On 14 Jan 2008, at 17:13, Henry McGilton wrote: > > > Friend of mine in England says there's a download named > > codecplay1355.dmg > > which appears to contain some kind of a Mac virus. Wasn't this news a wee while ago about a codec which is malignant but seems to be linked to pr0n sites? http://blogs.zdnet.com/security/?p=629 Yup It's more than two months old.... "The target must click through a series of screens to become infected but once the Trojan is installed, it has full control of the machine. According to anti-virus vendors, the Trojan is programmed to change the Mac?s DNS server, a trick used by phishers to load fake Web pages and hijack valuable user data." MacWorld provided step by step removal instructions back in October: http://www.macworld.com/article/60823/2007/10/trojanhorse.html From abridge at gmail.com Mon Jan 14 11:03:00 2008 From: abridge at gmail.com (Adam Bridge) Date: Mon Jan 14 11:03:03 2008 Subject: handwriting recognition? Message-ID: <4cfa589b0801141103v79dab7b4ifbfb487207e7da8f@mail.gmail.com> i remember a handwriting regnition program for os x. has it vanished? i was called ink or something. i'm onee-handed for a month or so and it with my tablet would increase productivity, thanks From steve at paper-ape.com Mon Jan 14 11:14:55 2008 From: steve at paper-ape.com (steve harley) Date: Mon Jan 14 11:15:18 2008 Subject: One more thing... In-Reply-To: <998D2BD0-251B-446A-B8A5-4D7CA74E34FD@quernstone.com> References: <998D2BD0-251B-446A-B8A5-4D7CA74E34FD@quernstone.com> Message-ID: <478BB4AF.2030801@paper-ape.com> they whom i call Jonathan Sanderson wrote: > On 14 Jan 2008, at 06:47, Scott Anguish wrote: > >>> Now, when is Apple going to buy Adobe and TiVo? They've got the cash. >> >> What does TiVo have (aside from some patents perhaps) that Apple >> could really use? > > I'd ask the same question about Adobe. Is it really worth all that cash > just for Photoshop, InDesign, and a modest number of people who'd rather > have Freehand? ummm, Apple would also get Adobe's PDF code & expertise (something that could really improve Mac OS X is first-rate PDF handling) and Adobe has a stronger foothold in web development -- not just Flash, but DreamWeaver, Adobe AIR and the integration with the design apps; we don't hear much about Web Objects any more, but perhaps there would be a synergy ... however we'd have a whole nuther round of disappointment as competition declined where Apple & Adobe are both strong, plus, some Adobe suites are tantamount to an OS in themselves, which would really confuse Apple's goals (just continuing the thought experiment, i have no expectation or desire for Apple & Adobe to merge) From lomion at gmail.com Mon Jan 14 11:23:46 2008 From: lomion at gmail.com (Larry Sica) Date: Mon Jan 14 11:24:04 2008 Subject: One more thing... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <794E1F3D-FC5C-4AC1-84DC-599F78EBB5E4@gmail.com> On Jan 14, 2008, at 11:32 AM, Todd Zaki Warfel wrote: > > On Jan 14, 2008, at 11:17 AM, Erik J. Barzeski wrote: > >>> Short of it?if you're in a home, DTV might be fine, but in >>> apartments and condos, it's horrible. >> >> Well I had it when I lived in my apartment in Florida (second floor >> no less), but in general, yes. > > > It's funny when you drive through NYC and see apartment buildings > decorated with dishes like a christmas tree. Maybe Apple could turn > this into HD over WiFi and eliminate some of these issues. > It is a funny sight, but considering how crappy cable tends t o be in the area not a huge shock. It's also 2x as expensive as DTV is. I dumped cable about a month ago, no real problems so far. Would normal wi-fi have the bandwidth for full blown HD? --Larry "there are three things to cry for in life - things that are lost, things that are found, and things that are magnificent.~douglas coupland" ------------------------------------------------ Lawrence Sica lomion@gmail.com http://www.blagosphere.org/larry http://www.flickr.com/lomion ------------------------------------------------ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /mailman/archive/macosx-talk/attachments/20080114/1c62fe86/attachment.html From pelorus at mac.com Mon Jan 14 11:31:10 2008 From: pelorus at mac.com (Matt Johnston) Date: Mon Jan 14 11:31:20 2008 Subject: handwriting recognition? In-Reply-To: <4cfa589b0801141103v79dab7b4ifbfb487207e7da8f@mail.gmail.com> References: <4cfa589b0801141103v79dab7b4ifbfb487207e7da8f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4792F3BB-7FF8-4B90-AF44-D56D24F123A7@mac.com> On 14 Jan 2008, at 19:03, Adam Bridge wrote: > i remember a handwriting regnition program for os x. has it vanished? > i was called ink or something. i'm onee-handed for a month or so and > it with my tablet would increase productivity, It's built into Mac OS X.... From abridge at gmail.com Mon Jan 14 12:25:58 2008 From: abridge at gmail.com (Adam Bridge) Date: Mon Jan 14 12:26:02 2008 Subject: handwriting recognition? In-Reply-To: <4792F3BB-7FF8-4B90-AF44-D56D24F123A7@mac.com> References: <4cfa589b0801141103v79dab7b4ifbfb487207e7da8f@mail.gmail.com> <4792F3BB-7FF8-4B90-AF44-D56D24F123A7@mac.com> Message-ID: <4cfa589b0801141225g6ac7b9cbn5e7c3d2508ea3fff@mail.gmail.com> ah, I found it! I had to have the tablet installed for it too Show up. But It seerns to work fine. On Jan 14, 2008 11:31 AM, Matt Johnston wrote: > > > On 14 Jan 2008, at 19:03, Adam Bridge wrote: > > > i remember a handwriting regnition program for os x. has it vanished? > > i was called ink or something. i'm onee-handed for a month or so and > > it with my tablet would increase productivity, > > It's built into Mac OS X.... > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-talk mailing list > MacOSX-talk@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-talk > From scott at cocoadoc.com Mon Jan 14 14:26:14 2008 From: scott at cocoadoc.com (Scott Anguish) Date: Mon Jan 14 14:26:19 2008 Subject: One more thing... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1B203769-8FB0-40A1-B96C-4076361E59C4@cocoadoc.com> On Jan 14, 2008, at 10:19 AM, Todd Zaki Warfel wrote: > > On Jan 14, 2008, at 1:47 AM, Scott Anguish wrote: > >> DirecTV (which was their largest base I think) basically dumped >> them when Murdoch owned them (stupid, stupid, stupid) >> >> Not that I wouldn't love to have an OS X based Tivo. (my DirecTivo >> is very old, only SD, and literally irreplaceable). >> >> Now, if Apple bought DirecTV... > > DTV blows. You can't even split it. While off-topic, that isn't actually true. > You have to run a direct line to every single TV. Nope. there is tech to fix that. > And if you want HD w/DRV, you need two direct lines to each TV. They > brag about their HD channels, but the signal cuts in and out several > times a week and in our condo unit, we have two TV drops, but can > only get DTV to one. I'd much rather have Comast or Verizon Fios > (long story). > > Short of it?if you're in a home, DTV might be fine, but in > apartments and condos, it's horrible. and there is the rub. the problem with creating a cable DVR for computers is that you need cablecard, which isn't well supported by the cable companies. clearqam would be a better solution for the normal channels, but the cable companies are fighting that too. anyways, directv or dishtv, I'd love an Apple based DVR for either. From lists at toddwarfel.com Mon Jan 14 14:41:32 2008 From: lists at toddwarfel.com (Todd Zaki Warfel) Date: Mon Jan 14 14:41:38 2008 Subject: One more thing... In-Reply-To: <1B203769-8FB0-40A1-B96C-4076361E59C4@cocoadoc.com> References: <1B203769-8FB0-40A1-B96C-4076361E59C4@cocoadoc.com> Message-ID: <08FC84F0-99C5-4C37-9C4C-8509D3768F65@toddwarfel.com> On Jan 14, 2008, at 5:26 PM, Scott Anguish wrote: >> DTV blows. You can't even split it. > > While off-topic, that isn't actually true. Really? How do you split one line to multiple TVs that actually works consistently? Splitting the line results in intermittent picture problems and loss of picture quality that makes it unwatchable. You can add an amplifier, but when doing so, when DTV tries to push updates to the box, it will lock the box up. So, that's not really an acceptable solution. This was what I was told by 7 different DTV installers (we've had several different installers out). Additionally, one of the units in our building tried an amp and about a month later, when DTV tried to push updates for HD, their box had to be replaced, which is what the tech told us would happen. So, do you know something the techs don't? Cheers! Todd Zaki Warfel President, Design Researcher Messagefirst | Designing Information. Beautifully. ---------------------------------- Contact Info Voice: (215) 825-7423 Email: todd@messagefirst.com AIM: twarfel@mac.com Blog: http://toddwarfel.com ---------------------------------- In theory, theory and practice are the same. In practice, they are not. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /mailman/archive/macosx-talk/attachments/20080114/90e11e1b/attachment.html From johnmusbach1 at gmail.com Mon Jan 14 16:29:12 2008 From: johnmusbach1 at gmail.com (John Musbach) Date: Mon Jan 14 16:29:16 2008 Subject: Potential Mac Virus In-Reply-To: <5C67ED91-CA2C-4855-A536-E116CCEFA987@trilithon.com> References: <5C67ED91-CA2C-4855-A536-E116CCEFA987@trilithon.com> Message-ID: <17c8e29e0801141629u6c21e176w8f1465f05ad551ab@mail.gmail.com> On Jan 14, 2008 9:13 AM, Henry McGilton wrote: > > > Friend of mine in England says there's a download named > > codecplay1355.dmg > > which appears to contain some kind of a Mac virus. Easiest virus to defend against, don't give it your administrative credentials when asked! :) -- Best Regards, John Musbach From johnmusbach1 at gmail.com Mon Jan 14 16:56:11 2008 From: johnmusbach1 at gmail.com (John Musbach) Date: Mon Jan 14 16:56:15 2008 Subject: handwriting recognition? In-Reply-To: <4cfa589b0801141103v79dab7b4ifbfb487207e7da8f@mail.gmail.com> References: <4cfa589b0801141103v79dab7b4ifbfb487207e7da8f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <17c8e29e0801141656w547ce7e0h75d098661fe06c2f@mail.gmail.com> On Jan 14, 2008 11:03 AM, Adam Bridge wrote: > i remember a handwriting regnition program for os x. has it vanished? > i was called ink or something. i'm onee-handed for a month or so and > it with my tablet would increase productivity, Perhaps you're thinking of the 3rd party utility called Readiris Pro? -- Best Regards, John Musbach From finlay.dobbie at gmail.com Mon Jan 14 17:30:41 2008 From: finlay.dobbie at gmail.com (Finlay Dobbie) Date: Mon Jan 14 17:30:44 2008 Subject: Potential Mac Virus In-Reply-To: <17c8e29e0801141629u6c21e176w8f1465f05ad551ab@mail.gmail.com> References: <5C67ED91-CA2C