From andrew.brown at c18.net Fri Feb 1 01:25:03 2008 From: andrew.brown at c18.net (Andrew Brown) Date: Fri Feb 1 01:25:09 2008 Subject: Mail searches etc. Message-ID: <66B42A89-9F9F-451B-A434-62D1812C1AC5@c18.net> Is there any way of searching Entire Message for a string in Mail? Both 4 February and "4 February" hit all 4s and all Februarys... And I'd like to add a button to move the current message to a particular folder, is there an add-on or plug-in to do this? AB From tonyc at boldfish.co.uk Fri Feb 1 01:39:30 2008 From: tonyc at boldfish.co.uk (Tony Crockford) Date: Fri Feb 1 01:40:01 2008 Subject: Mail searches etc. In-Reply-To: <66B42A89-9F9F-451B-A434-62D1812C1AC5@c18.net> References: <66B42A89-9F9F-451B-A434-62D1812C1AC5@c18.net> Message-ID: <6879D3DB-4AD3-483B-9978-2CFA347352E8@boldfish.co.uk> On 1 Feb 2008, at 09:25, Andrew Brown wrote: > Is there any way of searching Entire Message for a string in Mail? mail in Leopard has smart mailboxes that let you search for dates. Spotlight in Leopard will let you search for a string as you describe ( " 4 february" ) and then refine the results to just mail messages. MailSteward [1] (standalone app) creates an sql database of all your mail that is fully searchable in the way you describe > Both 4 February and "4 February" hit all 4s and all Februarys... > > And I'd like to add a button to move the current message to a > particular folder, is there an add-on or plug-in to do this? I imagine you'd be able to configure this: http://www.indev.ca/MailActOn.html not a button per se, but a keystroke for a rule to move to folder might be just a quick? hth [1] http://www.mailsteward.com/ From dez at mac.com Fri Feb 1 01:54:45 2008 From: dez at mac.com (Derek Chesterfield) Date: Fri Feb 1 01:54:54 2008 Subject: Mail searches etc. In-Reply-To: <66B42A89-9F9F-451B-A434-62D1812C1AC5@c18.net> References: <66B42A89-9F9F-451B-A434-62D1812C1AC5@c18.net> Message-ID: On 1 Feb 2008, at 09:25, Andrew Brown wrote: > Is there any way of searching Entire Message for a string in Mail? > Both 4 February and "4 February" hit all 4s and all Februarys... It works correctly for me. I did an Entire Message search for 4 february and got 7 hits. Then I added the quotes, and got one hit (this one, obviously!!). Did I misunderstand what you wanted? From andrew.brown at c18.net Fri Feb 1 02:24:32 2008 From: andrew.brown at c18.net (Andrew Brown) Date: Fri Feb 1 02:24:39 2008 Subject: Mail searches etc. In-Reply-To: References: <66B42A89-9F9F-451B-A434-62D1812C1AC5@c18.net> Message-ID: On 1 Feb 2008, at 10:54, Derek Chesterfield wrote: > On 1 Feb 2008, at 09:25, Andrew Brown wrote: > >> Is there any way of searching Entire Message for a string in Mail? >> Both 4 February and "4 February" hit all 4s and all Februarys... > > It works correctly for me. I did an Entire Message search for 4 > february and got 7 hits. Then I added the quotes, and got one hit > (this one, obviously!!). > > Did I misunderstand what you wanted? No, I don't think so... without the quotes, I get 800 messages, with them I get 600, but most of the 600 do not contain the string, just a 4 and a February. This is on Tiger... Perhaps with the quotes you get 4 AND February, without the quotes 4 OR February. But I must have tens of thousands of messages containing a 4... Either way I'm tempted by Mail Steward suggested by Tony, so as to archive away stuff that only my biographers and prosecutors will need. AB From andrew.brown at c18.net Fri Feb 1 03:25:43 2008 From: andrew.brown at c18.net (Andrew Brown) Date: Fri Feb 1 03:25:49 2008 Subject: Mail searches etc. In-Reply-To: References: <66B42A89-9F9F-451B-A434-62D1812C1AC5@c18.net> Message-ID: <2363579D-061E-4899-965E-938307197256@c18.net> On 1 Feb 2008, at 10:54, Derek Chesterfield wrote: > It works correctly for me. I did an Entire Message search for 4 > february and got 7 hits. Then I added the quotes, and got one hit > (this one, obviously!!). These are my results: 4 f?vrier = 811 hits "4 f?vrier" = 644 4 = 29700 "4" = 15483 f?vrier = 1105 "f?vrier" = 1100 Hardly any of the "4 f?vrier" hits have the string "4 f?vrier" in them, just a 4 and a f?vrier. I have not worked out the difference between the 811 and the 644, or between any of the other figures for that matter... AB From tonyc at boldfish.co.uk Fri Feb 1 03:41:01 2008 From: tonyc at boldfish.co.uk (Tony Crockford) Date: Fri Feb 1 03:42:00 2008 Subject: Mail searches etc. In-Reply-To: <2363579D-061E-4899-965E-938307197256@c18.net> References: <66B42A89-9F9F-451B-A434-62D1812C1AC5@c18.net> <2363579D-061E-4899-965E-938307197256@c18.net> Message-ID: <64C8D3CA-275B-4B3D-B6F8-0C31A13EF2E4@boldfish.co.uk> On 1 Feb 2008, at 11:25, Andrew Brown wrote: > On 1 Feb 2008, at 10:54, Derek Chesterfield wrote: > >> It works correctly for me. I did an Entire Message search for 4 >> february and got 7 hits. Then I added the quotes, and got one hit >> (this one, obviously!!). > > These are my results: > > 4 f?vrier = 811 hits > "4 f?vrier" = 644 > > 4 = 29700 > "4" = 15483 > > f?vrier = 1105 > "f?vrier" = 1100 > > Hardly any of the "4 f?vrier" hits have the string "4 f?vrier" in > them, just a 4 and a f?vrier. I have not worked out the difference > between the 811 and the 644, or between any of the other figures for > that matter... Assuming this is Tiger? On Leopard I get 1 result for 4 fevrier, 58 for 4 and 1 for "4 fevrier" my guess is that tiger does "or" searches and "search terms" creates and "and" search, but not a string search. in leopard mail.app does "and" searches, with "search terms" creating a string search /me goes off to seek confirmation From andrew.brown at c18.net Fri Feb 1 04:14:18 2008 From: andrew.brown at c18.net (Andrew Brown) Date: Fri Feb 1 04:14:25 2008 Subject: Mail searches etc. In-Reply-To: <64C8D3CA-275B-4B3D-B6F8-0C31A13EF2E4@boldfish.co.uk> References: <66B42A89-9F9F-451B-A434-62D1812C1AC5@c18.net> <2363579D-061E-4899-965E-938307197256@c18.net> <64C8D3CA-275B-4B3D-B6F8-0C31A13EF2E4@boldfish.co.uk> Message-ID: <3C09C27C-60FB-4083-B359-AB34F4CF2EF6@c18.net> On 1 Feb 2008, at 12:41, Tony Crockford wrote: > On 1 Feb 2008, at 11:25, Andrew Brown wrote: > >> These are my results: >> >> 4 f?vrier = 811 hits >> "4 f?vrier" = 644 >> >> 4 = 29700 >> "4" = 15483 >> >> f?vrier = 1105 >> "f?vrier" = 1100 >> >> Hardly any of the "4 f?vrier" hits have the string "4 f?vrier" in >> them, just a 4 and a f?vrier. I have not worked out the difference >> between the 811 and the 644, or between any of the other figures >> for that matter... > > Assuming this is Tiger? > > On Leopard I get 1 result for 4 fevrier, 58 for 4 and 1 for "4 > fevrier" > > my guess is that tiger does "or" searches and "search terms" > creates and "and" search, but not a string search. > > in leopard mail.app does "and" searches, with "search terms" > creating a string search Yes, Tiger. Perhaps the quotes make the search a complete word search, suggesting that I have 5 occurrences of f?vrier adjacent to a character that is not a word delimiter, 15483 occurrences of the figure 4 on its own, and so on. On the other hand, it may all be more or less random, "here's the stuff we can be bothered to tell you about right now"... AB From shawnce at gmail.com Fri Feb 1 13:19:53 2008 From: shawnce at gmail.com (Shawn Erickson) Date: Fri Feb 1 13:19:56 2008 Subject: dragging windows In-Reply-To: <47A25E6F.4090900@mninter.net> References: <47A25E6F.4090900@mninter.net> Message-ID: On Jan 31, 2008 3:49 PM, William Ehrich wrote: > Some programs, like Net Monitor, have windows with no title bar that can be dragged form any place. My programs did that when I was writing software. It's easy with Carbon, but I don't know about Cocoa. For something like Solitaire the program would drag a card if the first click is on one, or drag the whole window if the first click is on the backround. I wish more programmers would do that. Apple might even suggest it in their human interface guidelines. You have point to your email? aka a question? :) -Shawn From ehrich at mninter.net Fri Feb 1 15:46:11 2008 From: ehrich at mninter.net (William Ehrich) Date: Fri Feb 1 15:46:25 2008 Subject: dragging windows In-Reply-To: References: <47A25E6F.4090900@mninter.net> Message-ID: <47A3AF43.1050102@mninter.net> Shawn Erickson wrote: >> Some programs, like Net Monitor, have windows with no title bar >> that can be dragged form any place. My programs did that when I was >> writing software. It's easy with Carbon, but I don't know about >> Cocoa. > Thanks. This sounds like just what I wanted. I wish more programmers would use it. (A wish addressed to programmers who read this list.) >> Apple might even suggest it in their human interface guidelines. > This says that "Even if a window does not have an actual title (a tools panel, for example), it should have a title bar so that users can move the window." But your other reference makes the title bar unnecessary letting me use the uncluttered plain windows that I prefer. -- Bill Ehrich From scott at cocoadoc.com Fri Feb 1 17:49:44 2008 From: scott at cocoadoc.com (Scott Anguish) Date: Fri Feb 1 17:55:35 2008 Subject: dragging windows In-Reply-To: <47A3AF43.1050102@mninter.net> References: <47A25E6F.4090900@mninter.net> <47A3AF43.1050102@mninter.net> Message-ID: <6E4BBB4D-055D-4A34-86A0-E83CAC168998@cocoadoc.com> Yes, one is a reference document that tells developers how to do it that way from a technical standpoint. The other is the HIG, which tells developers how they should actually implement their UI. On Feb 1, 2008, at 3:46 PM, William Ehrich wrote: > Shawn Erickson wrote: > >>> Some programs, like Net Monitor, have windows with no title bar >>> that can be dragged form any place. My programs did that when I was >>> writing software. It's easy with Carbon, but I don't know about >>> Cocoa. > >> > > > Thanks. This sounds like just what I wanted. I wish more programmers > would use it. (A wish addressed to programmers who read this list.) > >>> Apple might even suggest it in their human interface guidelines. > >> > > > This says that "Even if a window does not have an actual title (a > tools panel, for example), it should have a title bar so that users > can move the window." But your other reference makes the title bar > unnecessary letting me use the uncluttered plain windows that I > prefer. > > -- Bill Ehrich > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-talk mailing list > MacOSX-talk@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-talk From david at IDIOMATRIX.COM Sun Feb 3 07:42:13 2008 From: david at IDIOMATRIX.COM (David Herren) Date: Sun Feb 3 07:44:39 2008 Subject: passwords not being written to keychain Message-ID: For some reason, passwords are not being written or read correctly from my keychain. I've run the keychain first aid and it tells me there is no problem.. I've run it several times. But if I quit Mail.app, the next time I launch it I have to type in all of my passwords, and checking "Store in Keychain" does not produce a new entry. Same thing on the web. When I'm prompted by OmniWeb to store a password, I get no error, but no new entry is made. I tried to correct permissions, but my user account sits on a separate volume from the system, and even when logged in as an administrative user which _is_ located on the boot volume, and NOT logged in to my regular user account, repair permissions is greyed out and doing a get info on the volume tells me the permissions repair is not available. Off to the Console---no entry in the console (running as my regular user) since October 2007... Somethings messed up but I don't know where to turn.... No other odd behavior noted... /david -- david herren - shoreham, vt us na terra solsys orionarm "He is not only dull himself, he is the cause of dullness in others." --- Samuel Johnson From david at idiomatrix.com Sun Feb 3 07:52:05 2008 From: david at idiomatrix.com (David Herren) Date: Sun Feb 3 07:52:27 2008 Subject: more info on keychain Message-ID: I should have been a bit more clear... no entries in the console under my user id 502 since October... There are system messages, but nothing that I have found relevant to the keychain /david -- david herren - shoreham, vt us na terra solsys orionarm They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. -Benjamin Franklin (what's that USA Patriot Act again?) From kremels at kreme.com Sun Feb 3 09:54:38 2008 From: kremels at kreme.com (LuKreme) Date: Sun Feb 3 09:54:47 2008 Subject: Mail searches etc. In-Reply-To: References: <66B42A89-9F9F-451B-A434-62D1812C1AC5@c18.net> Message-ID: <40EAC467-51C0-4599-B227-405F08C31F9E@kreme.com> On 1-Feb-2008, at 03:24, Andrew Brown wrote: > No, I don't think so... without the quotes, I get 800 messages, with > them I get 600, but most of the 600 do not contain the string, just > a 4 and a February. > > This is on Tiger... Ah, should have mentioned that. I believe in pre Leopard you need to do (4 February) To group the terms. the info is in the mail.app help -- The Germans wore gray, you wore blue. From macsrwe at macsrwe.com Sun Feb 3 21:32:41 2008 From: macsrwe at macsrwe.com (Macs R We) Date: Sun Feb 3 21:32:45 2008 Subject: Mail searches etc. In-Reply-To: <20080203200005.4E3D0BDDA2@forums.omnigroup.com> References: <20080203200005.4E3D0BDDA2@forums.omnigroup.com> Message-ID: On Feb 3, 2008, at 1:00 PM, macosx-talk-request@omnigroup.com wrote: > From: LuKreme > On 1-Feb-2008, at 03:24, Andrew Brown wrote: >> No, I don't think so... without the quotes, I get 800 messages, with >> them I get 600, but most of the 600 do not contain the string, just >> a 4 and a February. >> >> This is on Tiger... > > > Ah, should have mentioned that. > > I believe in pre Leopard you need to do > > (4 February) > > To group the terms. the info is in the mail.app help Grouping them isn't the same thing as quoting them. (Richard Nixon for President) results in lots of mail messages, but none of them have that string in it. -- Macs R We -- Personal Macintosh Service and Support in the Wickenburg and far Northwest Valley Areas. http://macsrwe.com From kremels at kreme.com Sun Feb 3 23:37:57 2008 From: kremels at kreme.com (LuKreme) Date: Sun Feb 3 23:38:01 2008 Subject: Mail searches etc. In-Reply-To: References: <20080203200005.4E3D0BDDA2@forums.omnigroup.com> Message-ID: On 3-Feb-2008, at 22:32, Macs R We wrote: > On Feb 3, 2008, at 1:00 PM, macosx-talk-request@omnigroup.com wrote: >> From: LuKreme >> I believe in pre Leopard you need to do >> >> (4 February) >> >> To group the terms. the info is in the mail.app help > > Grouping them isn't the same thing as quoting them. Quoting themn as you did is not how to do it in Tiger's mail. I don't have access to Tiger's mail easily, so I cannot check the specific syntax. It _IS_ in the mail.app help though. Leopard works correctly, however. -- You know, in a world in which Bush and Blair can be nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize, "for having dared to take the necessary decision to launch a war on Iraq without having the support of the UN" I find myself agreeing with Tom Lehrer: satire is dead. - Neil Gaiman From macsrwe at macsrwe.com Mon Feb 4 12:39:52 2008 From: macsrwe at macsrwe.com (Macs R We) Date: Mon Feb 4 12:39:57 2008 Subject: Mail searches etc. In-Reply-To: <20080204200005.DB6CABE4E0@forums.omnigroup.com> References: <20080204200005.DB6CABE4E0@forums.omnigroup.com> Message-ID: <78942EB9-6747-4EDA-9ABA-55133D83543D@macsrwe.com> On Feb 4, 2008, at 1:00 PM, macosx-talk-request@omnigroup.com wrote: >>> From: LuKreme >>> I believe in pre Leopard you need to do >>> >>> (4 February) >>> >>> To group the terms. the info is in the mail.app help >> >> Grouping them isn't the same thing as quoting them. > > Quoting themn as you did is not how to do it in Tiger's mail. I don't > have access to Tiger's mail easily, so I cannot check the specific > syntax. > > It _IS_ in the mail.app help though. Quoting: If you search the From, To, or Subject fields in selected mailboxes, Mail finds messages that contain the entire search phrase, in the order you entered the words. If you search an entire message or search in all mailboxes, Mail finds only messages containing words that have the same prefix (or the same beginning letters) as any of the words you entered in the Search field. The words can be in any order.... When you search entire messages, you can refine your search by using logical symbols to represent "and" (&), "or" (|), "not" (!), and parentheses. In other words, if you're looking to search actual message text for a string, you flat can't do it (at least using Mail). Clearly a case of someone tunnel-visioned on making native database tools available to the end user instead of paying attention to the interface issues of how people want to search mail and how they have already gotten used to using every other search facility on the internet. > Leopard works correctly, however. Hallelujah for that (five releases later). :-( -- Macs R We -- Personal Macintosh Service and Support in the Wickenburg and far Northwest Valley Areas. http://macsrwe.com From dinse at niehs.nih.gov Mon Feb 4 13:52:20 2008 From: dinse at niehs.nih.gov (Gregg Dinse) Date: Mon Feb 4 13:52:25 2008 Subject: odd message when Repairing Permissions in Disk Utility Message-ID: Hi, I have a Mac Pro that is running Tiger (10.4.11). It has a pair of 320-GB hard drives set up as a RAID volume, though I doubt that matters. If I run Repair Permissions on that RAID volume, I get the following odd message: ************************************************************************ ******* Repairing permissions for ?Macintosh HD? Determining correct file permissions. Group differs on ./Private, should be 80, group is 0 Permissions differ on ./Private, should be drwxrwxr-x , they are drwxr-xr-x Owner and group corrected on ./Private Permissions corrected on ./Private Group differs on ./private, should be 0, group is 80 Permissions differ on ./private, should be drwxr-xr-x , they are drwxrwxr-x Owner and group corrected on ./private Permissions corrected on ./private Permissions repair complete The privileges have been verified or repaired on the selected volume ************************************************************************ ******* When it finishes, the above message makes it sound as if a few minor things have been repaired, but if I run Repair Permissions again, I get the same message. I don't know much Unix, but it looks like there are two things going on here. First of all, if things are case- insensitive, then both /private and /Private should be pointing to the same locations, right? Or are certain parts of the OS case sensitive? Secondly, the disk utility thinks that permissions should be one way when the directory is spelled with an upper case "P" and then it changes it right back again when it checks the lower case version. Is any of this a problem? Do others see this? Are /private and / Private the same thing? If so, what should the permissions be on this directory? If not, then why doesn't disk utility fix it? Thanks, Gregg From shawnce at gmail.com Mon Feb 4 14:34:28 2008 From: shawnce at gmail.com (Shawn Erickson) Date: Mon Feb 4 14:34:30 2008 Subject: odd message when Repairing Permissions in Disk Utility In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Feb 4, 2008 1:52 PM, Gregg Dinse wrote: > Is any of this a problem? Do others see this? Are /private and / > Private the same thing? If so, what should the permissions be on > this directory? If not, then why doesn't disk utility fix it? HFS+ [1] is case preserving but case insensitive so /private and /Private are equivalent at the file system level. Likely receipts under /Library/Receipts have conflicting permission definitions and differing case. The last permissions used are the "safer" of the two so I don't see a real problem. In fact the latter permission change may be coming from a hard coded definition for that directory as a safety net to override a bogus receipt. -Shawn [1] From dinse at niehs.nih.gov Mon Feb 4 14:47:38 2008 From: dinse at niehs.nih.gov (Gregg Dinse) Date: Mon Feb 4 14:47:43 2008 Subject: odd message when Repairing Permissions in Disk Utility In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 4 Feb 2008, at 5:34 PM, Shawn Erickson wrote: > On Feb 4, 2008 1:52 PM, Gregg Dinse wrote: > >> Is any of this a problem? Do others see this? Are /private and / >> Private the same thing? If so, what should the permissions be on >> this directory? If not, then why doesn't disk utility fix it? > > HFS+ [1] is case preserving but case insensitive so /private and > /Private are equivalent at the file system level. Likely receipts > under /Library/Receipts have conflicting permission definitions and > differing case. The last permissions used are the "safer" of the two > so I don't see a real problem. In fact the latter permission change > may be coming from a hard coded definition for that directory as a > safety net to override a bogus receipt. > > -Shawn > > [1] Hi Shawn, Thanks for the information. You have answered my main question, which was whether this is a problem. It sounds like it is not a problem. I had never seen this message before. I wonder if it's something that got introduced with the latest Tiger update or something that was created by some recent third-party software I installed. Just out of curiosity, is there some good reason why Apple would use both /private and /Private for directory names? Why not be consistent and stick with one or the other? Thanks, Gregg From shawnce at gmail.com Mon Feb 4 15:06:15 2008 From: shawnce at gmail.com (Shawn Erickson) Date: Mon Feb 4 15:06:24 2008 Subject: odd message when Repairing Permissions in Disk Utility In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Feb 4, 2008 2:47 PM, Gregg Dinse wrote: > Just out of curiosity, is there some good reason why Apple would use > both /private and /Private for directory names? Why not be > consistent and stick with one or the other? I believe /private is what Apple consistently uses (comes from NeXT OS days). It looks like someone (Apple or 3rd party) may have typed in /Private by mistake in an install package or script. -Shawn From macsrwe at macsrwe.com Tue Feb 5 14:40:17 2008 From: macsrwe at macsrwe.com (Macs R We) Date: Tue Feb 5 14:40:24 2008 Subject: odd message when Repairing Permissions in Disk Utility In-Reply-To: <20080205200007.4E182BEDC5@forums.omnigroup.com> References: <20080205200007.4E182BEDC5@forums.omnigroup.com> Message-ID: <2FEB535C-7688-42DD-B9ED-118548751BB7@macsrwe.com> On Feb 5, 2008, at 1:00 PM, macosx-talk-request@omnigroup.com wrote: > Repairing permissions for ?Macintosh HD? > Determining correct file permissions. > Group differs on ./Private, should be 80, group is 0 > Permissions differ on ./Private, should be drwxrwxr-x , they are > drwxr-xr-x > Owner and group corrected on ./Private > Permissions corrected on ./Private > Group differs on ./private, should be 0, group is 80 > Permissions differ on ./private, should be drwxr-xr-x , they are > drwxrwxr-x > Owner and group corrected on ./private > Permissions corrected on ./private > > Permissions repair complete > > The privileges have been verified or repaired on the selected volume > ********************************************************************** > ** > ******* > > When it finishes, the above message makes it sound as if a few minor > things have been repaired, but if I run Repair Permissions again, I > get the same message. > It sounds like it is not a > problem. > > I had never seen this message before. I wonder if it's something > that got introduced with the latest Tiger update or something that > was created by some recent third-party software I installed. > > Just out of curiosity, is there some good reason why Apple would use > both /private and /Private for directory names? Why not be > consistent and stick with one or the other? I used to see a message like this all the time under Jaguar: it used to correct the permissions of man/more one way, then correct the permissions of man/less back the other way. The problem was that one of these files was actually nothing but a hard link to the other, so Jaguar's database of the "proper" permissions should not have had entries saying that they were supposed to have different permissions. I suspect that the operating system IS operating in a case- insensitive fashion (which is correct) and that somehow you have a database of "proper" permissions that has two entries: one for / private, and another for /Private. Since they are in fact the same directory, Disk Utility first "corrects" it one way, then "corrects" it back. The proper fix is to remove the redundant entry for / Private, figure out who created it, and send them a nastygram. -- Macs R We -- Personal Macintosh Service and Support in the Wickenburg and far Northwest Valley Areas. http://macsrwe.com From kremels at kreme.com Wed Feb 6 02:13:52 2008 From: kremels at kreme.com (LuKreme) Date: Wed Feb 6 02:13:56 2008 Subject: Mail searches etc. In-Reply-To: <78942EB9-6747-4EDA-9ABA-55133D83543D@macsrwe.com> References: <20080204200005.DB6CABE4E0@forums.omnigroup.com> <78942EB9-6747-4EDA-9ABA-55133D83543D@macsrwe.com> Message-ID: <645435BE-158C-48BC-9042-C22FBB30CDDE@kreme.com> On 4-Feb-2008, at 13:39, Macs R We wrote: > Hallelujah for that (five releases later). :-( Mail.app has been a red-headed stepchild for Apple all along. A lot of things about it have never made any sense. That said, it is still the best client for OS X, and the version in Leopard is quite a bit better than previous ones. Not wart free, by any means. -- "We're philosophers. We think, therefore we am." From kcall at mac.com Wed Feb 6 10:13:55 2008 From: kcall at mac.com (Kevin Callahan) Date: Wed Feb 6 10:14:02 2008 Subject: deleting the "Where from:" metadata from an attachment Message-ID: Is there a way to delete the "Where from:" metadata in an attachment? K From dinse at niehs.nih.gov Thu Feb 7 08:07:48 2008 From: dinse at niehs.nih.gov (Gregg Dinse) Date: Thu Feb 7 08:08:00 2008 Subject: Apple Mail and/or Exchange Server email problem Message-ID: <93CE6FDD-1B27-4E9D-B294-7693438087DF@niehs.nih.gov> Hi, At work I use Apple Mail on a Mac Pro running Tiger (10.4.11). My account had been an IMAP account, but about 2 weeks ago I switched it to an Exchange account, since virtually everyone at work uses Exchange and I believe they wanted the rest of us to switch. Today I noticed a problem, but I do not know whether it is related to Apple Mail, Exchange, or both (or neither). I always CC myself on emails that I send. Yesterday I sent an email to a colleague just before I left work. This morning I looked for that message in my Inbox (in Apple Mail) and it was not there. I looked to see if I had already filed it on my mac, in the mailbox for that colleague, but it was not there either. Then I looked in the Inbox on our Exchange server and I could not see it there. Finally, I looked in the Sent mailbox in Apple Mail and there it was. Sure enough, I had CC'd myself like usual. Does anyone have any idea why I did not get a copy? Even if I did get a copy on my mac and either accidentally deleted it (unlikely) or accidentally misfiled it (less unlikely, but I looked in neighboring mailboxes), why was it not on the Exchange server? I have no idea how many other emails I might be missing (maybe none, but who knows). If this is an isolated incident, then it's no big deal, but if this will be (or has been) an ongoing problem, then it is a big deal. Does this description of the problem ring any bells with anyone? I'm open to suggestions, such as going back to an IMAP account. Thanks, Gregg From johnmusbach1 at gmail.com Thu Feb 7 19:30:30 2008 From: johnmusbach1 at gmail.com (John Musbach) Date: Thu Feb 7 19:30:33 2008 Subject: Apple Mail and/or Exchange Server email problem In-Reply-To: <93CE6FDD-1B27-4E9D-B294-7693438087DF@niehs.nih.gov> References: <93CE6FDD-1B27-4E9D-B294-7693438087DF@niehs.nih.gov> Message-ID: <17c8e29e0802071930h4e2a3232m95543e3ac68a636c@mail.gmail.com> On Feb 7, 2008 8:07 AM, Gregg Dinse wrote: > I always CC myself on emails that I send. Yesterday I sent an email > to a colleague just before I left work. This morning I looked for > that message in my Inbox (in Apple Mail) and it was not there. I > looked to see if I had already filed it on my mac, in the mailbox for > that colleague, but it was not there either. Then I looked in the > Inbox on our Exchange server and I could not see it there. Finally, > I looked in the Sent mailbox in Apple Mail and there it was. Sure > enough, I had CC'd myself like usual. Does anyone have any idea why > I did not get a copy? Even if I did get a copy on my mac and either > accidentally deleted it (unlikely) or accidentally misfiled it (less > unlikely, but I looked in neighboring mailboxes), why was it not on > the Exchange server? This sounds like a issue that occurred after the switch to Exchange, perhaps you should contact your system administrator and ask if he/she applied any security policies that drop cc's addressed to the sender. -- Best Regards, John Musbach From dinse at niehs.nih.gov Thu Feb 7 19:59:04 2008 From: dinse at niehs.nih.gov (Gregg Dinse) Date: Thu Feb 7 19:59:08 2008 Subject: Apple Mail and/or Exchange Server email problem In-Reply-To: <17c8e29e0802071930h4e2a3232m95543e3ac68a636c@mail.gmail.com> References: <93CE6FDD-1B27-4E9D-B294-7693438087DF@niehs.nih.gov> <17c8e29e0802071930h4e2a3232m95543e3ac68a636c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4180EB78-DA8F-444B-9FEA-C3B83019FB79@niehs.nih.gov> On Feb 7, 2008, at 10:30 PM, John Musbach wrote: > On Feb 7, 2008 8:07 AM, Gregg Dinse wrote: >> I always CC myself on emails that I send. Yesterday I sent an email >> to a colleague just before I left work. This morning I looked for >> that message in my Inbox (in Apple Mail) and it was not there. I >> looked to see if I had already filed it on my mac, in the mailbox for >> that colleague, but it was not there either. Then I looked in the >> Inbox on our Exchange server and I could not see it there. Finally, >> I looked in the Sent mailbox in Apple Mail and there it was. Sure >> enough, I had CC'd myself like usual. Does anyone have any idea why >> I did not get a copy? Even if I did get a copy on my mac and either >> accidentally deleted it (unlikely) or accidentally misfiled it (less >> unlikely, but I looked in neighboring mailboxes), why was it not on >> the Exchange server? > > This sounds like a issue that occurred after the switch to Exchange, > perhaps you should contact your system administrator and ask if he/she > applied any security policies that drop cc's addressed to the sender. > > -- > Best Regards, > > John Musbach Hi John, It certainly could be related to my switch to Exchange, but I always CC myself, and as far as I know, this is the only CC that did not get to my Inbox. I sent a lot of other emails yesterday, and in the week or two since I switched to Exchange, and not all of them are missing. To the best of my knowledge, only one message got lost. In fact, I have received all of the CCs that I sent today (after noticing the missing CC). So if there was a change of security policy, why would it only affect this one message? If this was just an isolated incident, then I can live with that. I just wanted to be proactive and try to avoid future issues if this was just a symptom of some larger problem. It turns out that I can't get help from our sys admin because they do not support Apple Mail at the place I work. In view of that, I probably will never be able to figure out what happened. I just hope it does not continue happening. Gregg P.S. Now that you mention it, I think they did institute some security changes in the last few days, though they were aimed at Windows machines. Maybe there was some glitch while they were tinkering with the new settings that caused this to happen. From kcall at mac.com Sat Feb 9 18:48:53 2008 From: kcall at mac.com (Kevin Callahan) Date: Sat Feb 9 18:48:59 2008 Subject: Safari is about to get crazy fast | Computerworld Blogs Message-ID: <858E4BBD-DBD9-4E66-A607-4E74AD55B7B1@mac.com> http://blogs.computerworld.com/safari_is_about_to_get_crazy_fast -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /mailman/archive/macosx-talk/attachments/20080209/05f766de/attachment.html From david at idiomatrix.com Sat Feb 9 10:17:27 2008 From: david at idiomatrix.com (David Herren) Date: Mon Feb 11 10:01:14 2008 Subject: somewhat OT: open source wiki software that runs well/easily on OSX Message-ID: I am in need--rather suddenly--of installing _two_ new wikis (when it rains, it pours). One of which will be installed on a Leopard client machine, already running PHP5, the lastest stable mySql, and Apache2 and a box which I complete access to; the other on a FreeBSD hosted site. I have never installed (or even used very often) a wiki, but I do have quite a bit of experience running over a dozen wordpress sites and a handful of drupal sites. I have identified the following wiki engines that would seem to fit the bill: - MediaWiki: - PhpWiki: - EffurtWiki: http://erfurtwiki.sourceforge.net/ - WIkaWiki: From what I have seen, all of the above would be installable relatively easily on Leopard client. I want to be sure I don't miss something that the group's expertise might recommend--or warn. Ideally, the selected wiki engine would support Markdown input since both sites' users have been trained in markdown formatting. Please reply offline to keep list cruft to a minimum. Thanks. /david -- david herren - shoreham, vt us na terra solsys orionarm When everything is coming your way, you're in the wrong lane. From newslists at autonomy.caltech.edu Mon Feb 11 11:14:45 2008 From: newslists at autonomy.caltech.edu (R.L. Grigg) Date: Mon Feb 11 11:14:50 2008 Subject: Safari is about to get crazy fast | Computerworld Blogs In-Reply-To: <858E4BBD-DBD9-4E66-A607-4E74AD55B7B1@mac.com> References: <858E4BBD-DBD9-4E66-A607-4E74AD55B7B1@mac.com> Message-ID: <06A88E53-2766-442B-99B6-A01F87A62938@autonomy.caltech.edu> On Feb 9, 2008, at 6:48 PM, Kevin Callahan wrote: > http://blogs.computerworld.com/safari_is_about_to_get_crazy_fast Great! Now, if they can get it's VM appetite under control... Russ From kcall at mac.com Mon Feb 11 13:13:35 2008 From: kcall at mac.com (Kevin Callahan) Date: Mon Feb 11 13:14:17 2008 Subject: Mail and .m4v files Message-ID: <1D67C439-B117-4F20-B011-1BD22521B265@mac.com> I sent a .m4v file (704k) (exported for apple's handheld device that lets us make calls and other things) to myself to test for inline playing. The file plays fine on the calling device - in the calling device's mail program, you download attachment and it launches the player. But, when it's received in Mail (Leopard) on iMac, it doesn't play inline. I thought QT would play the file inline. Is that no longer supported? K From bill at cheeseman.name Tue Feb 12 06:24:45 2008 From: bill at cheeseman.name (Bill Cheeseman) Date: Tue Feb 12 06:25:06 2008 Subject: Back to My Mac and 10.5.2 Message-ID: I've never been able to get Back to My Mac to work, despite significant effort. Now, with 10.5.2 newly installed, it suddenly works -- sort of. As soon as I boot up at work, I see one -- but only one -- of the Macs on my home computer network in the Shared section of a Finder window sidebar. The one that shows up is the only one that has 10.5.2 installed AND does not have customized Apache config files. Of the two that don't show up, one is still on 10.5.1, and the other has a customized Apache config file to publish a Web site as well as some third-party software configured to make my Webcam visible away from home. Am I on the right track in thinking like this? -- I'll upgrade the 10.5.1 machine to 10.5.2, and I'm guessing I'll start seeing it at the office, too; and I'll go back to standard Apache configuration, and guess that will show up, too. Possible? -- Bill Cheeseman - bill@cheeseman.name Quechee Software, Quechee, Vermont, USA www.quecheesoftware.com PreFab Software - www.prefabsoftware.com From jswitte at bloomington.in.us Tue Feb 12 06:37:32 2008 From: jswitte at bloomington.in.us (Jim Witte) Date: Tue Feb 12 06:50:00 2008 Subject: Problem with Safari/Webkit rendering different sizes (page "shifted over") - or is the HTML code? Message-ID: <2937B807-6E60-4A1B-8842-4E32A81744FC@bloomington.in.us> Here are two view of the same page. The first is the "default size" it renders at, the second is magnified one time (Cmd-plus): (page: http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/2007-10-30-endocrine- main_N.htm) The magnified view shifts everything over about 300-400 pixels it looks like. I've put the pictures up on my website at silo.cs.indiana.edu:13560/SafariError.html. Is this a problem with the HTML coding (something to do with tables probably), or Webkit (and if so, is it fixed in the latest nightly of WebKit? I haven't had time to look) Jim -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /mailman/archive/macosx-talk/attachments/20080212/17aeb56e/attachment.html From jearle at gmail.com Tue Feb 12 06:54:30 2008 From: jearle at gmail.com (Jared Earle) Date: Tue Feb 12 06:54:37 2008 Subject: Problem with Safari/Webkit rendering different sizes (page "shifted over") - or is the HTML code? In-Reply-To: <2937B807-6E60-4A1B-8842-4E32A81744FC@bloomington.in.us> References: <2937B807-6E60-4A1B-8842-4E32A81744FC@bloomington.in.us> Message-ID: <5bbc0cd60802120654p76464ac6h56ab4f5838653e53@mail.gmail.com> On Feb 12, 2008 2:37 PM, Jim Witte wrote: > The magnified view shifts everything over about 300-400 pixels it looks > like. I've put the pictures up on my website at > silo.cs.indiana.edu:13560/SafariError.html. I don't see what you see using Sunday's nightly build. -- Jared Earle :: There is no SPORK jearle@gmail.com :: http://www.23x.net The Spodcast :: http://spodcast.org From dez at mac.com Tue Feb 12 10:11:34 2008 From: dez at mac.com (Derek Chesterfield) Date: Tue Feb 12 10:12:04 2008 Subject: Back to My Mac and 10.5.2 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Yes, one of the fixes in 10.5.2 was to improve compatibility of BTMM with more broadband routers [the BTMM compatibility page had not been updated when I checked this morning]. You will need to upgrade the 10.5.1 computer to make that show up as well. I suspect it will work with your custom Apache configuration, so long as you have the Bonjour module set to load. Dez On 12 Feb 2008, at 14:24, Bill Cheeseman wrote: > I've never been able to get Back to My Mac to work, despite > significant > effort. Now, with 10.5.2 newly installed, it suddenly works -- sort > of. As > soon as I boot up at work, I see one -- but only one -- of the Macs > on my > home computer network in the Shared section of a Finder window > sidebar. > > The one that shows up is the only one that has 10.5.2 installed AND > does not > have customized Apache config files. Of the two that don't show up, > one is > still on 10.5.1, and the other has a customized Apache config file to > publish a Web site as well as some third-party software configured > to make > my Webcam visible away from home. Am I on the right track in > thinking like > this? -- I'll upgrade the 10.5.1 machine to 10.5.2, and I'm guessing > I'll > start seeing it at the office, too; and I'll go back to standard > Apache > configuration, and guess that will show up, too. Possible? From bill at cheeseman.name Tue Feb 12 11:22:05 2008 From: bill at cheeseman.name (Bill Cheeseman) Date: Tue Feb 12 11:25:12 2008 Subject: Back to My Mac and 10.5.2 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: on 2008-02-12 1:11 PM, Derek Chesterfield at dez@mac.com wrote: > one of the fixes in 10.5.2 was to improve compatibility of BTMM > with more broadband routers This is what I don't understand about BTMM working for me under 10.5.2. My router at home is an AirPort Extreme base station, which supposedly worked from the beginning. Yet now, with 10.5.2, it suddenly starts working for me. -- Bill Cheeseman - bill@cheeseman.name Quechee Software, Quechee, Vermont, USA www.quecheesoftware.com PreFab Software - www.prefabsoftware.com From dez at mac.com Tue Feb 12 11:31:08 2008 From: dez at mac.com (Derek Chesterfield) Date: Tue Feb 12 11:31:26 2008 Subject: Back to My Mac and 10.5.2 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 12 Feb 2008, at 19:22, Bill Cheeseman wrote: > on 2008-02-12 1:11 PM, Derek Chesterfield at dez@mac.com wrote: > >> one of the fixes in 10.5.2 was to improve compatibility of BTMM >> with more broadband routers > > This is what I don't understand about BTMM working for me under > 10.5.2. My > router at home is an AirPort Extreme base station, which supposedly > worked > from the beginning. Yet now, with 10.5.2, it suddenly starts working > for me. Hmm. OK. So maybe it the compatibility at the work end that has improved? You don't say if your Mac at work was upgraded to 10.5.2. If it is that part that got fixed, then maybe the problem with the 10.5.1 Mac at home is something else. Anyway, I would start by upgrading the other Mac, and see if that starts working as well. From mstearne at entermix.com Tue Feb 12 20:23:23 2008 From: mstearne at entermix.com (Michael Stearne) Date: Tue Feb 12 20:24:14 2008 Subject: AppleTV Take 2 on a mini Message-ID: Is there any advantage to running this new Apple TV Take 2 on a mac mini as opposed to the real device? Having a tuner on a mini would be great. Michael From mrhatken at mac.com Tue Feb 12 20:22:00 2008 From: mrhatken at mac.com (Ashley Aitken) Date: Tue Feb 12 20:28:39 2008 Subject: Back to My Mac and 10.5.2 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3ECA1993-E6F5-4BF6-BDD0-87DD6CA01DAB@mac.com> Not trying to hijack the thread, but if BTMM still doesn't work after upgrading both (all) machines to 10.5.2 would opening / redirecting various ports to the specific machines work? I've seen a couple of ports mentioned in a post somewhere. Specifically, I'm asking if anyone has had success doing this. Cheers, Ashley. -- Ashley Aitken Perth, Western Australia mrhatken at mac dot com Skype Name: MrHatken (GMT + 8 Hours!) From lomion at gmail.com Tue Feb 12 20:29:27 2008 From: lomion at gmail.com (Larry Sica) Date: Tue Feb 12 20:29:32 2008 Subject: AppleTV Take 2 on a mini In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <28F0497E-E57A-4DC6-B7B4-215C29BB614B@gmail.com> On Feb 12, 2008, at 11:23 PM, Michael Stearne wrote: > Is there any advantage to running this new Apple TV Take 2 on a mac > mini as opposed to the real device? Having a tuner on a mini would > be great. > The AppleTV doesn't require a computer to run. It can stream from it, but it does not require it. --Larry From johnmusbach1 at gmail.com Tue Feb 12 20:29:28 2008 From: johnmusbach1 at gmail.com (John Musbach) Date: Tue Feb 12 20:29:41 2008 Subject: AppleTV Take 2 on a mini In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <17c8e29e0802122029hc5c0ae6nb477b5ba5ce6b0f6@mail.gmail.com> On Feb 12, 2008 8:23 PM, Michael Stearne wrote: > Is there any advantage to running this new Apple TV Take 2 on a mac > mini as opposed to the real device? Having a tuner on a mini would be > great. I thought the software only ran on a Apple TV... -- Best Regards, John Musbach From johnmusbach1 at gmail.com Tue Feb 12 20:32:55 2008 From: johnmusbach1 at gmail.com (John Musbach) Date: Tue Feb 12 20:32:57 2008 Subject: Mail and .m4v files In-Reply-To: <1D67C439-B117-4F20-B011-1BD22521B265@mac.com> References: <1D67C439-B117-4F20-B011-1BD22521B265@mac.com> Message-ID: <17c8e29e0802122032i4b03ebdasae366a46f9d2dba@mail.gmail.com> On Feb 11, 2008 1:13 PM, Kevin Callahan wrote: > But, when it's received in Mail (Leopard) on iMac, it doesn't play > inline. > > I thought QT would play the file inline. Is that no longer supported? Your assumption is correct -- Best Regards, John Musbach From andrew.brown at c18.net Wed Feb 13 03:03:23 2008 From: andrew.brown at c18.net (Andrew Brown) Date: Wed Feb 13 03:03:31 2008 Subject: Unsuspicious subject header Message-ID: Having taken the plunge and bought an iPhone, I'm looking for a good, sensible, down-to-earth, helpful, well-informed list (like this one) to join. Does anyone have any recommendations? I'm particularly interested in synching notes with my Mac and safeguarding confidential information. AB From pelorus at mac.com Wed Feb 13 03:30:22 2008 From: pelorus at mac.com (Matt Johnston) Date: Wed Feb 13 03:32:05 2008 Subject: Unsuspicious subject header In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Omni have an iPhone list. Be nice to see some traffic there. -- Matt Johnston - mattj@cimota.com - 07515352971 On 13 Feb 2008, at 11:03, Andrew Brown wrote: > Having taken the plunge and bought an iPhone, I'm looking for a > good, sensible, down-to-earth, helpful, well-informed list (like > this one) to join. Does anyone have any recommendations? I'm > particularly interested in synching notes with my Mac and > safeguarding confidential information. > > AB > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-talk mailing list > MacOSX-talk@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-talk From andrew.brown at c18.net Wed Feb 13 04:00:41 2008 From: andrew.brown at c18.net (Andrew Brown) Date: Wed Feb 13 04:00:47 2008 Subject: Unsuspicious subject header In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <90133762-E567-44B6-8A61-41FB13CB7545@c18.net> > Omni have an iPhone list. Be nice to see some traffic there. Yes, it does seem a little quiet. Looking at the archives, I see that Omni displays the email adresses openly as john.doe at somewhere.com That must really have the spammers foxed... my isp complained last week that I was receiving ten thousand spams a day, I was wondering why, particularly after all the trouble I took to keep my address off my own sites. If anyone here finds a spammer, and feels inclined to hang him from a handy lampost, you can count on me not to interfere. AB From kremels at kreme.com Wed Feb 13 05:30:36 2008 From: kremels at kreme.com (LuKreme) Date: Wed Feb 13 05:30:42 2008 Subject: Unsuspicious subject header In-Reply-To: <90133762-E567-44B6-8A61-41FB13CB7545@c18.net> References: <90133762-E567-44B6-8A61-41FB13CB7545@c18.net> Message-ID: <904717B1-B29C-4667-BE9F-AF393CA9E8DF@kreme.com> On 13-Feb-2008, at 05:00, Andrew Brown wrote: >> Omni have an iPhone list. Be nice to see some traffic there. > > Yes, it does seem a little quiet. Looking at the archives, I see > that Omni displays the email adresses openly as > > john.doe at somewhere.com > > That must really have the spammers foxed... my isp complained last > week that I was receiving ten thousand spams a day, Well, first off, that is a lot. Second, you ISP should run an RBL. reject_rbl_client zen.spamhaus.org in postfix's main.cf does wonders. On my mailserver it rejects about 80% of the attempts to talk to my server, and that means I never even have to process a single byte of data from those scum. -- Against stupidity the gods themselves contend in vain. From jearle at gmail.com Wed Feb 13 06:03:43 2008 From: jearle at gmail.com (Jared Earle) Date: Wed Feb 13 06:03:49 2008 Subject: Unsuspicious subject header In-Reply-To: <904717B1-B29C-4667-BE9F-AF393CA9E8DF@kreme.com> References: <90133762-E567-44B6-8A61-41FB13CB7545@c18.net> <904717B1-B29C-4667-BE9F-AF393CA9E8DF@kreme.com> Message-ID: <5bbc0cd60802130603g54292f1bkc21f81156af22124@mail.gmail.com> On Feb 13, 2008 1:30 PM, LuKreme wrote: > Second, you ISP should run an RBL. This is no use if, say, your Brother lives in Thailand and likes to send you emails. For instance. -- Jared Earle :: There is no SPORK jearle@gmail.com :: http://www.23x.net The Spodcast :: http://spodcast.org From pelorus at mac.com Wed Feb 13 06:35:55 2008 From: pelorus at mac.com (Matt Johnston) Date: Wed Feb 13 06:36:46 2008 Subject: Unsuspicious subject header In-Reply-To: <5bbc0cd60802130603g54292f1bkc21f81156af22124@mail.gmail.com> References: <90133762-E567-44B6-8A61-41FB13CB7545@c18.net> <904717B1-B29C-4667-BE9F-AF393CA9E8DF@kreme.com> <5bbc0cd60802130603g54292f1bkc21f81156af22124@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: -- Matt Johnston - mattj@cimota.com - 07515352971 On 13 Feb 2008, at 14:03, Jared Earle wrote: > On Feb 13, 2008 1:30 PM, LuKreme wrote: >> Second, you ISP should run an RBL. > > This is no use if, say, your Brother lives in Thailand and likes to > send you emails. For instance. He should stop. From joar at joar.com Wed Feb 13 07:28:37 2008 From: joar at joar.com (j o a r) Date: Wed Feb 13 07:28:47 2008 Subject: Unsuspicious subject header In-Reply-To: <5bbc0cd60802130603g54292f1bkc21f81156af22124@mail.gmail.com> References: <90133762-E567-44B6-8A61-41FB13CB7545@c18.net> <904717B1-B29C-4667-BE9F-AF393CA9E8DF@kreme.com> <5bbc0cd60802130603g54292f1bkc21f81156af22124@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Feb 13, 2008, at 6:03 AM, Jared Earle wrote: > This is no use if, say, your Brother lives in Thailand and likes to > send you emails. For instance. He could use Gmail... Spamhaus RBL absolutely and completely rocks. j o a r From joar at joar.com Wed Feb 13 07:47:28 2008 From: joar at joar.com (j o a r) Date: Wed Feb 13 07:47:34 2008 Subject: Unsuspicious subject header In-Reply-To: <7E530AED-39B7-4AEA-B4EF-5FBAC1580615@mac.com> References: <90133762-E567-44B6-8A61-41FB13CB7545@c18.net> <904717B1-B29C-4667-BE9F-AF393CA9E8DF@kreme.com> <5bbc0cd60802130603g54292f1bkc21f81156af22124@mail.gmail.com> <7E530AED-39B7-4AEA-B4EF-5FBAC1580615@mac.com> Message-ID: <35A03B10-4A77-4431-83B9-C7C02A023709@joar.com> On Feb 13, 2008, at 7:33 AM, Matt Johnston wrote: > More relevantly, he could use a UK local mail gateway. With auth. More relevant? My point was that if the mailserver of his ISP is blocked by Spamhaus, it's probably for a good reason (Spamhause is not like SpamCop or SORBS), and that there are a lot of reputable, free and globally available email providers to choose from that wouldn't have any problem with RBL. I agree that any sensible email provider would use SMTP AUTH. Why it's not universally adopted yet is a mystery to me. j o a r From andrew.brown at c18.net Wed Feb 13 08:13:42 2008 From: andrew.brown at c18.net (Andrew Brown) Date: Wed Feb 13 08:13:49 2008 Subject: Unsuspicious subject header In-Reply-To: <35A03B10-4A77-4431-83B9-C7C02A023709@joar.com> References: <90133762-E567-44B6-8A61-41FB13CB7545@c18.net> <904717B1-B29C-4667-BE9F-AF393CA9E8DF@kreme.com> <5bbc0cd60802130603g54292f1bkc21f81156af22124@mail.gmail.com> <7E530AED-39B7-4AEA-B4EF-5FBAC1580615@mac.com> <35A03B10-4A77-4431-83B9-C7C02A023709@joar.com> Message-ID: <9AD36F0D-0D44-4DE9-B5C5-D8B784C7C2DA@c18.net> > More relevant? My point was that if the mailserver of his ISP is > blocked by Spamhaus, it's probably for a good reason (Spamhause is > not like SpamCop or SORBS), and that there are a lot of reputable, > free and globally available email providers to choose from that > wouldn't have any problem with RBL. There was a time when the late and unlamented Wanadoo had a virtual monopoly in France and I and many others have been blocked a few times by Spamhaus because we were sending mail via Wanadoo, then notorious as a spammers' nest. I found this rather annoying and was unkind to the people at Spamhaus. > I agree that any sensible email provider would use SMTP AUTH. Why > it's not universally adopted yet is a mystery to me. Some reservations, which may or may not be founded, are expressed at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SMTP-AUTH I'm with Pair, who have their own firm ideas about how to things. After talking to them about remedies I simply send all mail that they flag as spam to /dev/null and too bad if I miss winning a couple of billion in a lottery or have to make do with less than 14". The Spamhaus site provides an interesting gallery of criminals. If anyone here knows Putin they could do worse than to point him in the right direction... AB From joar at joar.com Wed Feb 13 08:52:05 2008 From: joar at joar.com (j o a r) Date: Wed Feb 13 08:52:15 2008 Subject: Unsuspicious subject header In-Reply-To: <9AD36F0D-0D44-4DE9-B5C5-D8B784C7C2DA@c18.net> References: <90133762-E567-44B6-8A61-41FB13CB7545@c18.net> <904717B1-B29C-4667-BE9F-AF393CA9E8DF@kreme.com> <5bbc0cd60802130603g54292f1bkc21f81156af22124@mail.gmail.com> <7E530AED-39B7-4AEA-B4EF-5FBAC1580615@mac.com> <35A03B10-4A77-4431-83B9-C7C02A023709@joar.com> <9AD36F0D-0D44-4DE9-B5C5-D8B784C7C2DA@c18.net> Message-ID: <5D5FDF85-040B-4FA0-BF76-1993C6F84829@joar.com> On Feb 13, 2008, at 8:13 AM, Andrew Brown wrote: >> More relevant? My point was that if the mailserver of his ISP is >> blocked by Spamhaus, it's probably for a good reason (Spamhause is >> not like SpamCop or SORBS), and that there are a lot of reputable, >> free and globally available email providers to choose from that >> wouldn't have any problem with RBL. > > There was a time when the late and unlamented Wanadoo had a virtual > monopoly in France and I and many others have been blocked a few > times by Spamhaus because we were sending mail via Wanadoo, then > notorious as a spammers' nest. I found this rather annoying and was > unkind to the people at Spamhaus. So, "notorius as a spammers' nest" - I think it sounds like Spamhaus did their job! Bad ISPs needs to be punished, or else they'll never improve. It's Darwinism in play in our virtual ecology. >> I agree that any sensible email provider would use SMTP AUTH. Why >> it's not universally adopted yet is a mystery to me. > > Some reservations, which may or may not be founded, are expressed at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SMTP-AUTH It seems that their only reservation is that weak passwords (or any passwords, really) can be exploited. That shouldn't come as a surprise... I don't really see how that could be considered a weakness, compared with the "anyone in the world, or anyone on our subnet, can send email via our mail server" policies of old? j o a r From andrew.brown at c18.net Wed Feb 13 09:08:55 2008 From: andrew.brown at c18.net (Andrew Brown) Date: Wed Feb 13 09:09:01 2008 Subject: Unsuspicious subject header In-Reply-To: <5D5FDF85-040B-4FA0-BF76-1993C6F84829@joar.com> References: <90133762-E567-44B6-8A61-41FB13CB7545@c18.net> <904717B1-B29C-4667-BE9F-AF393CA9E8DF@kreme.com> <5bbc0cd60802130603g54292f1bkc21f81156af22124@mail.gmail.com> <7E530AED-39B7-4AEA-B4EF-5FBAC1580615@mac.com> <35A03B10-4A77-4431-83B9-C7C02A023709@joar.com> <9AD36F0D-0D44-4DE9-B5C5-D8B784C7C2DA@c18.net> <5D5FDF85-040B-4FA0-BF76-1993C6F84829@joar.com> Message-ID: On 13 Feb 2008, at 17:52, j o a r wrote: > So, "notorius as a spammers' nest" - I think it sounds like > Spamhaus did their job! > Bad ISPs needs to be punished, or else they'll never improve. It's > Darwinism in play in our virtual ecology. Yes, you could well be right, the death of the unfittest. Wanadoo were out to lunch in many different ways, but of course lunch is hard to resist in France. > It seems that their only reservation is that weak passwords (or any > passwords, really) can be exploited. That shouldn't come as a > surprise... I don't really see how that could be considered a > weakness, compared with the "anyone in the world, or anyone on our > subnet, can send email via our mail server" policies of old? Let's use our credit cards to authenticate our email, and get our email clients to divide our mail into authenticated and unauthenticated. Impertinent authenticated messages could be flagged by the recipients as such, and those suffering from a rate of flagging greater than 5% would find their cards debited with a suitably punitive amount. Next problem? AB From abridge at gmail.com Mon Feb 11 10:29:14 2008 From: abridge at gmail.com (Adam Bridge) Date: Wed Feb 13 09:31:15 2008 Subject: somewhat OT: open source wiki software that runs well/easily on OSX In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4cfa589b0802111029oc941d4fh7e46da3ccc2a81b0@mail.gmail.com> i hope, since I'm interested in hearing the results of this query, that at least asummary will be posted. What the heck else is this list for? And its not like I'm deluged with e-mail from macosx-talk. Adam On Feb 9, 2008 10:17 AM, David Herren wrote: > I am in need--rather suddenly--of installing _two_ new wikis (when it > rains, it pours). One of which will be installed on a Leopard client > machine, already running PHP5, the lastest stable mySql, and Apache2 > and a box which I complete access to; the other on a FreeBSD hosted > site. > > I have never installed (or even used very often) a wiki, but I do have > quite a bit of experience running over a dozen wordpress sites and a > handful of drupal sites. > > I have identified the following wiki engines that would seem to fit > the bill: > > - MediaWiki: > - PhpWiki: > - EffurtWiki: http://erfurtwiki.sourceforge.net/ > - WIkaWiki: > > From what I have seen, all of the above would be installable > relatively easily on Leopard client. I want to be sure I don't miss > something that the group's expertise might recommend--or warn. > > Ideally, the selected wiki engine would support Markdown input since > both sites' users have been trained in markdown formatting. > > Please reply offline to keep list cruft to a minimum. Thanks. > > /david > > -- > david herren - shoreham, vt us na terra solsys orionarm > > When everything is coming your way, you're in the wrong lane. > > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-talk mailing list > MacOSX-talk@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-talk > From kcall at mac.com Mon Feb 11 12:55:35 2008 From: kcall at mac.com (Kevin Callahan) Date: Wed Feb 13 09:31:17 2008 Subject: Mail not playing .m4v file exported for iPhone Message-ID: I sent a .m4v file (704k) exported for iPhone to myself to test for inline playing. The file plays fine on the iPhone - in iPhone mail, you download attachment and it launches the player. But, when it's received in Mail (Leopard) on iMac, it doesn't play inline. I thought QT would play the file inline. Is that no longer supported? K From johnmusbach1 at gmail.com Tue Feb 12 20:36:08 2008 From: johnmusbach1 at gmail.com (John Musbach) Date: Wed Feb 13 09:31:19 2008 Subject: somewhat OT: open source wiki software that runs well/easily on OSX In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <17c8e29e0802122036i1670423fk8d45c8a6ed10deef@mail.gmail.com> On Feb 9, 2008 10:17 AM, David Herren wrote: > I am in need--rather suddenly--of installing _two_ new wikis (when it > rains, it pours). One of which will be installed on a Leopard client > machine, already running PHP5, the lastest stable mySql, and Apache2 > and a box which I complete access to; the other on a FreeBSD hosted > site. I recommend MediaWiki -- Best Regards, John Musbach From pelorus at mac.com Wed Feb 13 07:33:51 2008 From: pelorus at mac.com (Matt Johnston) Date: Wed Feb 13 09:31:21 2008 Subject: Unsuspicious subject header In-Reply-To: References: <90133762-E567-44B6-8A61-41FB13CB7545@c18.net> <904717B1-B29C-4667-BE9F-AF393CA9E8DF@kreme.com> <5bbc0cd60802130603g54292f1bkc21f81156af22124@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7E530AED-39B7-4AEA-B4EF-5FBAC1580615@mac.com> -- Matt Johnston - mattj@cimota.com - 07515352971 On 13 Feb 2008, at 15:28, j o a r wrote: > > On Feb 13, 2008, at 6:03 AM, Jared Earle wrote: > >> This is no use if, say, your Brother lives in Thailand and likes to >> send you emails. For instance. > > > He could use Gmail... > > Spamhaus RBL absolutely and completely rocks. More relevantly, he could use a UK local mail gateway. With auth. From phillipsterrance at bellsouth.net Wed Feb 13 15:57:57 2008 From: phillipsterrance at bellsouth.net (terrance phillips) Date: Wed Feb 13 15:58:05 2008 Subject: Remove me from email Message-ID: From phillipsterrance at bellsouth.net Wed Feb 13 15:58:16 2008 From: phillipsterrance at bellsouth.net (terrance phillips) Date: Wed Feb 13 15:58:19 2008 Subject: Please remove me from email Message-ID: From r.o.durrer at durrer.org Wed Feb 13 17:21:23 2008 From: r.o.durrer at durrer.org (Rudolf O. Durrer) Date: Wed Feb 13 17:21:36 2008 Subject: Remove me from email Message-ID: From kremels at kreme.com Thu Feb 14 09:34:38 2008 From: kremels at kreme.com (LuKreme) Date: Thu Feb 14 09:34:42 2008 Subject: Remove me from email In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <81C2A695-50E7-4B06-9296-A6DC93A36AC0@kreme.com> On 13-Feb-2008, at 16:57, terrance phillips wrote: > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-talk mailing list > MacOSX-talk@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-talk 1) Learn to read 2) remove yourself, as no one else can 3) See #1 -- There are strange things done in the midnight sun/By the men who moil for gold; The Arctic trails have their secret tales/That would make your blood run cold; The Northern Lights have seen queer sights,/But the queerest they ever did see Was the night on the marge of Lake Lebarge/I cremated Sam McGee From kremels at kreme.com Thu Feb 14 09:41:42 2008 From: kremels at kreme.com (LuKreme) Date: Thu Feb 14 09:41:45 2008 Subject: Remove me from email In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <40D99D75-3DBC-45A9-9424-F517EBECE086@kreme.com> On 13-Feb-2008, at 18:21, Rudolf O. Durrer wrote: > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-talk mailing list > MacOSX-talk@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-talk No way, two morons in one day? -- Instant karma's gonna get you From chad at objectwerks.com Thu Feb 14 11:24:02 2008 From: chad at objectwerks.com (objectwerks inc) Date: Thu Feb 14 11:24:07 2008 Subject: Remove me from email In-Reply-To: <40D99D75-3DBC-45A9-9424-F517EBECE086@kreme.com> References: <40D99D75-3DBC-45A9-9424-F517EBECE086@kreme.com> Message-ID: <27C4C38D-2A46-44B6-B5C7-5C94F8B82742@objectwerks.com> On Feb 14, 2008, at 10:41 AM, LuKreme wrote: > On 13-Feb-2008, at 18:21, Rudolf O. Durrer wrote: >> _______________________________________________ >> MacOSX-talk mailing list >> MacOSX-talk@omnigroup.com >> http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-talk > > > No way, two morons in one day? When it rains, it pours From jearle at gmail.com Wed Feb 13 09:54:04 2008 From: jearle at gmail.com (Jared Earle) Date: Fri Feb 15 17:08:00 2008 Subject: somewhat OT: open source wiki software that runs well/easily on OSX In-Reply-To: <17c8e29e0802122036i1670423fk8d45c8a6ed10deef@mail.gmail.com> References: <17c8e29e0802122036i1670423fk8d45c8a6ed10deef@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5bbc0cd60802130954j7edf83ecl9aff3cad7ff15c8@mail.gmail.com> On Feb 13, 2008 4:36 AM, John Musbach wrote: > I recommend MediaWiki > I run a few MediaWiki installs. Does the job fine. -- Jared Earle :: There is no SPORK jearle@gmail.com :: http://www.23x.net The Spodcast :: http://spodcast.org From kcall at mac.com Sat Feb 16 10:15:40 2008 From: kcall at mac.com (Kevin Callahan) Date: Sat Feb 16 10:15:45 2008 Subject: Mac Owners Are Snobs AAPL, MSFT - TheStreet TV Message-ID: <589697AD-B532-4FCD-8177-FC95C413CE74@mac.com> Mac users and their characteristics LOL: K http://www.kevincallahan.org/ http://www.kevincallahan.org/software/accessorizer.html http://www.xeniamara.com/ http://www.nssmusic.com/LoveAllThatItIs/movie%20files/Love,%20All%20That%20It%20Is/Love,%20All%20That%20It%20Is.mov http://www.nssmusic.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: /mailman/archive/macosx-talk/attachments/20080216/daa80b7c/attachment.html From abridge at gmail.com Sat Feb 16 10:47:17 2008 From: abridge at gmail.com (Adam Bridge) Date: Sat Feb 16 10:47:20 2008 Subject: Mac Owners Are Snobs AAPL, MSFT - TheStreet TV In-Reply-To: <589697AD-B532-4FCD-8177-FC95C413CE74@mac.com> References: <589697AD-B532-4FCD-8177-FC95C413CE74@mac.com> Message-ID: <4cfa589b0802161047o3b67487cy6d05ccf93016b2a@mail.gmail.com> there's more self-promotion in your message than content. adam bridge On Feb 16, 2008 10:15 AM, Kevin Callahan wrote: > > Mac users and their characteristics > LOL: > > > > > K > > > > http://www.kevincallahan.org/ > http://www.kevincallahan.org/software/accessorizer.html > http://www.xeniamara.com/ > http://www.nssmusic.com/LoveAllThatItIs/movie%20files/Love,%20All%20That%20It%20Is/Love,%20All%20That%20It%20Is.mov > http://www.nssmusic.com From chad at objectwerks.com Sat Feb 16 10:48:49 2008 From: chad at objectwerks.com (objectwerks inc) Date: Sat Feb 16 10:48:51 2008 Subject: Mac Owners Are Snobs AAPL, MSFT - TheStreet TV In-Reply-To: <4cfa589b0802161047o3b67487cy6d05ccf93016b2a@mail.gmail.com> References: <589697AD-B532-4FCD-8177-FC95C413CE74@mac.com> <4cfa589b0802161047o3b67487cy6d05ccf93016b2a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6071B279-1958-4905-8904-929E8D06F37D@objectwerks.com> On Feb 16, 2008, at 11:47 AM, Adam Bridge wrote: > there's more self-promotion in your message than content. purely coincidentally and your message has NO content at all so whose ahead? Chad > > > adam bridge > > On Feb 16, 2008 10:15 AM, Kevin Callahan wrote: >> >> Mac users and their characteristics >> LOL: >> >> > > >> >> >> K >> >> >> >> http://www.kevincallahan.org/ >> http://www.kevincallahan.org/software/accessorizer.html >> http://www.xeniamara.com/ >> http://www.nssmusic.com/LoveAllThatItIs/movie%20files/Love,%20All%20That%20It%20Is/Love,%20All%20That%20It%20Is.mov >> http://www.nssmusic.com From glennc at mac.com Sat Feb 16 14:01:24 2008 From: glennc at mac.com (Glenn Carnagey) Date: Sat Feb 16 14:01:29 2008 Subject: Mac Owners Are Snobs AAPL, MSFT - TheStreet TV In-Reply-To: <4cfa589b0802161047o3b67487cy6d05ccf93016b2a@mail.gmail.com> References: <589697AD-B532-4FCD-8177-FC95C413CE74@mac.com> <4cfa589b0802161047o3b67487cy6d05ccf93016b2a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1EAF10AA-7B36-46BC-ABDF-3087137A453B@mac.com> ugh. now that's just tacky. g./ On Feb 16, 2008, at 12:47 PM, Adam Bridge wrote: > there's more self-promotion in your message than content. > > adam bridge > > On Feb 16, 2008 10:15 AM, Kevin Callahan wrote: >> >> Mac users and their characteristics >> LOL: >> >> > > >> >> >> K >> >> >> >> http://www.kevincallahan.org/ >> http://www.kevincallahan.org/software/accessorizer.html >> http://www.xeniamara.com/ >> http://www.nssmusic.com/LoveAllThatItIs/movie%20files/Love,%20All%20That%20It%20Is/Love,%20All%20That%20It%20Is.mov >> http://www.nssmusic.com > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-talk mailing list > MacOSX-talk@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-talk From kremels at kreme.com Sat Feb 16 23:25:11 2008 From: kremels at kreme.com (LuKreme) Date: Sat Feb 16 23:25:16 2008 Subject: Front Row Subtitles Message-ID: <97C3CCFB-AC71-4608-8668-3EA31E4D9CAF@kreme.com> I have a movie file that is a h.264 in an mkv container that has several subtitle tracks (thus the mkv instead of the avi container). I can't seem to enable the subtitles in Front Row, is this not possible? -- I was good and deleted the "You *&#$ing moron" before posting, aren't you proud of me? -- Rid yourself of doubt -- or should you? -George Carlin From andrew.brown at c18.net Sun Feb 17 01:36:47 2008 From: andrew.brown at c18.net (Andrew Brown) Date: Sun Feb 17 01:36:52 2008 Subject: Secure info Message-ID: <394FEC11-DD5E-435A-8BE6-9B7BBD9C90EA@c18.net> I'm using LittleSecrets, as recommended some time back on this list, and it functions very well. But I want to store the info it contains on my iPhone and was thinking of moving to 1Password, which syncs with iPhone, though perhaps not in the best possible way. But that will leave me without the means of storing images, such as the code cards banks like to use. Are there any solutions available now? or should I just wait for Apple to get on top of file storage on the iPhone? can they? will they? AB From andrew.brown at c18.net Sun Feb 17 08:05:01 2008 From: andrew.brown at c18.net (Andrew Brown) Date: Sun Feb 17 08:05:07 2008 Subject: Remote backup Message-ID: <6215A9A6-78CA-440E-A6B2-2AC99243B3F5@c18.net> I'm looking for good remote backup software... I'm on Tiger. iBackup is too slow, it doesn't even get off the ground in my set-up... The CCC authentication credential procedure is not working... PsyncX does nothing or crashes... Any suggestions? I could wait for 10.5, due shortly on my machine, if that would help, but that leaves another machine still on Tiger and not due to change for a while. AB From pelorus at mac.com Sun Feb 17 08:14:48 2008 From: pelorus at mac.com (Matt Johnston) Date: Sun Feb 17 08:15:28 2008 Subject: Remote backup In-Reply-To: <6215A9A6-78CA-440E-A6B2-2AC99243B3F5@c18.net> References: <6215A9A6-78CA-440E-A6B2-2AC99243B3F5@c18.net> Message-ID: Hi Andrew, Is there something broken about your setup? To have so many methods fail speaks to me of issues. Do you have a lot of static data? -- Matt Johnston - mj@cimota.com - 07515352971 On 17 Feb 2008, at 16:05, Andrew Brown wrote: > I'm looking for good remote backup software... I'm on Tiger. > > iBackup is too slow, it doesn't even get off the ground in my set- > up... > > The CCC authentication credential procedure is not working... > > PsyncX does nothing or crashes... > > Any suggestions? I could wait for 10.5, due shortly on my machine, > if that would help, but that leaves another machine still on Tiger > and not due to change for a while. > > AB > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-talk mailing list > MacOSX-talk@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-talk From andrew.brown at c18.net Sun Feb 17 08:22:16 2008 From: andrew.brown at c18.net (Andrew Brown) Date: Sun Feb 17 08:22:20 2008 Subject: Remote backup In-Reply-To: References: <6215A9A6-78CA-440E-A6B2-2AC99243B3F5@c18.net> Message-ID: > Is there something broken about your setup? To have so many methods > fail speaks to me of issues. > > Do you have a lot of static data? Yes, Matt, quite a lot of static, my plan was to back up every night the stuff that changed during the day. I don't think anything is broken. Has anyone used iBackup? The CC forum has several messages about the authentication procedure not working or being too complex for dummies like me to handle. And PsyncX works ok locally, apart from crashing whenever a routine is edited, perhaps it does not do remote. AB > On 17 Feb 2008, at 16:05, Andrew Brown wrote: > >> I'm looking for good remote backup software... I'm on Tiger. >> >> iBackup is too slow, it doesn't even get off the ground in my set- >> up... >> >> The CCC authentication credential procedure is not working... >> >> PsyncX does nothing or crashes... >> >> Any suggestions? I could wait for 10.5, due shortly on my machine, >> if that would help, but that leaves another machine still on Tiger >> and not due to change for a while. From steve at paper-ape.com Sun Feb 17 10:22:09 2008 From: steve at paper-ape.com (steve harley) Date: Sun Feb 17 10:22:19 2008 Subject: Remote backup In-Reply-To: <6215A9A6-78CA-440E-A6B2-2AC99243B3F5@c18.net> References: <6215A9A6-78CA-440E-A6B2-2AC99243B3F5@c18.net> Message-ID: <47B87B51.2060204@paper-ape.com> they whom i call Andrew Brown wrote: > I'm looking for good remote backup software... I'm on Tiger. have you try the various rsync approaches? RsyncX, for example, has features to build shell scripts for incremental backups (i was skeptical of this at first, as a search of this list's archives will show) and rsync-backup is a config-file based shell-only tool i used for a while to regularly sync (not backup) three machines at work at home, though, i mostly use Apple Backup, courtesy of .mac, to do a minimal backup to my iDisk plus a user-folder backup to my home server, plus the beta of Mac Mozy (which has not been trouble free) for a remote backup; i also use Carbon Copy Cloner to make occasionally bootable clones and on one machine have used CCC3's scheduling tool to do incrementals to a local disk (which has worked okay, but is difficult to monitor and sometimes pops up a "volume not found" message); i am running 10.4.10 by the way overall, without any one best backup choice, my strategy is to use multiple tools, backing up the most critical files the most redundantly From slackmoehrle at gmail.com Sun Feb 17 11:18:58 2008 From: slackmoehrle at gmail.com (J. Todd Slack) Date: Sun Feb 17 13:42:58 2008 Subject: Creating an Itunes Plug-n...Visual or none visual? Message-ID: <038331EA-80C8-4705-B0D8-85548924582E@jasonandannette.us> Hello All, OS X 10.5.2 iTunes 7.6 I need to create a non visual iTunes plugin that works with ring tones and I don't see in Xcode where to setup the project. Or should I be using the visualizer? Also, is there an SDK, I don't see anything but a "visual iTunes SDK" on developer.apple.com. Does anyone have an example? Does anyone have an article on creating iTunes and iPhoto Plugins? Thanks! -Jason -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /mailman/archive/macosx-talk/attachments/20080217/d371c5ec/attachment.html From kcall at mac.com Sun Feb 17 17:42:15 2008 From: kcall at mac.com (Kevin Callahan) Date: Sun Feb 17 17:42:19 2008 Subject: MacPro with NVIDIA 8800GT Message-ID: Has anybody rec'd a MacPro with the NVIDIA GeForce 8800GT yet? if so, comments on performance, noise? Thanks, K -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /mailman/archive/macosx-talk/attachments/20080217/9e114957/attachment.html From dev at skwdev.com Sun Feb 17 22:29:51 2008 From: dev at skwdev.com (Shaun Wexler) Date: Sun Feb 17 22:54:04 2008 Subject: MacPro with NVIDIA 8800GT In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8C839C67-ADC1-4DAF-AF28-283FC2FCA4C4@skwdev.com> On Feb 17, 2008, at 5:42 PM, Kevin Callahan wrote: > Has anybody rec'd a MacPro with the NVIDIA GeForce 8800GT yet? if > so, comments on performance, noise? Yes, I got mine last week: Mac Pro 8x 3.2 GHz, 16GB, PCIe 4-lane Hardware RAID w/4x Cheetah 15k 300 GB SAS drives, BT/AE, NV 8800 512 MB w/dual 30" Cinema. Absolutely beautiful. Even with four HD, it's quiet, and they all spin up at once so it boots rapidly too. Only 730 GB out of 1.2 TB is usable, FYI... RAID-5 needs 5 drives instead of 4. I have a Mac Pro 2.66 w/8 GB for comparison (and its fans are louder than the 3.2), as well as a Quad G5 w/8GB and NV 4500. No complaints so far, except Solaris 10 64-bit crashes in VMWare; unfortunately Win XP Pro does work. ;-) -- Shaun Wexler SKW Development Stealth Imaging, LLC "I do not fear computers. I fear the lack of them." - Isaac Asimov From jearle at gmail.com Mon Feb 18 01:41:39 2008 From: jearle at gmail.com (Jared Earle) Date: Mon Feb 18 01:41:42 2008 Subject: Front Row Subtitles In-Reply-To: <97C3CCFB-AC71-4608-8668-3EA31E4D9CAF@kreme.com> References: <97C3CCFB-AC71-4608-8668-3EA31E4D9CAF@kreme.com> Message-ID: <5bbc0cd60802180141j66f3bd7w56e0491b7cf4a90@mail.gmail.com> On Feb 17, 2008 7:25 AM, LuKreme wrote: > I have a movie file that is a h.264 in an mkv container that has > several subtitle tracks (thus the mkv instead of the avi container). > > I can't seem to enable the subtitles in Front Row, is this not possible? Are you running Perian? Do Subtitles show up in Quicktime Player? -- Jared Earle :: There is no SPORK jearle@gmail.com :: http://www.23x.net The Spodcast :: http://spodcast.org From kremels at kreme.com Mon Feb 18 04:17:24 2008 From: kremels at kreme.com (LuKreme) Date: Mon Feb 18 04:17:27 2008 Subject: Front Row Subtitles In-Reply-To: <5bbc0cd60802180141j66f3bd7w56e0491b7cf4a90@mail.gmail.com> References: <97C3CCFB-AC71-4608-8668-3EA31E4D9CAF@kreme.com> <5bbc0cd60802180141j66f3bd7w56e0491b7cf4a90@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 18-Feb-2008, at 02:41, Jared Earle wrote: > On Feb 17, 2008 7:25 AM, LuKreme wrote: >> I have a movie file that is a h.264 in an mkv container that has >> several subtitle tracks (thus the mkv instead of the avi container). >> >> I can't seem to enable the subtitles in Front Row, is this not >> possible? > > Are you running Perian? I don't believe so. I have installed various codecs, but I don't think I used perian's versions. However, it was quite a long while ago that I installed the codecs. The codecs installed are: drwxr-xr-x 3 kreme admin 102 Sep 20 2006 A52Codec.component drwxr-xr-x 3 kreme admin 102 Sep 20 2006 AC3MovieImport.component drwxrwxr-x 3 root admin 102 Dec 9 2005 AppleIntermediateCodec.component drwxrwxr-x 3 root admin 102 Jul 2 2007 AppleMPEG2Codec.component drwxr-xr-x 3 kreme admin 102 Mar 25 2006 AviImporter-r7 (Intel).component drwxr-xr-x@ 3 kreme kreme 102 Feb 27 2007 DivX Decoder.component drwxr-xr-x 3 root admin 102 May 23 2007 DivX Encoder.component drwxrwxr-x 3 root admin 102 Jun 19 2007 FLV.component drwxrwxr-x 3 root admin 102 Dec 11 18:16 Flip4Mac WMV Advanced.component drwxrwxr-x 3 root admin 102 Dec 11 18:16 Flip4Mac WMV Export.component drwxrwxr-x 3 root admin 102 Feb 10 15:11 Flip4Mac WMV Import.component drwxr-xr-x 3 kreme kreme 102 Sep 29 2006 Perian.component drwxr-xr-x@ 4 kreme admin 136 Mar 22 2007 XiphQT.component drwxr-xr-x 3 kreme admin 102 Mar 25 2006 XviD_Codec-r58 (Intel).component Guess there is at least something from Perian in there though. I'll try disabling Perian if you think it'll help. > Do Subtitles show up in Quicktime Player? Nope. Doesn't even show that there are subtitles. -- Try to realize it's all within yourself/No one else can make you change From jearle at gmail.com Mon Feb 18 04:23:54 2008 From: jearle at gmail.com (Jared Earle) Date: Mon Feb 18 04:23:57 2008 Subject: Front Row Subtitles In-Reply-To: References: <97C3CCFB-AC71-4608-8668-3EA31E4D9CAF@kreme.com> <5bbc0cd60802180141j66f3bd7w56e0491b7cf4a90@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5bbc0cd60802180423v19cc7d42ob838c33ec120a6f5@mail.gmail.com> On Feb 18, 2008 12:17 PM, LuKreme wrote: > On 18-Feb-2008, at 02:41, Jared Earle wrote: > > Are you running Perian? > > I don't believe so. I have installed various codecs, but I don't > think I used perian's versions. However, it was quite a long while > ago that I installed the codecs. The codecs installed are: If you're using MKVs, you really should be using Perian. Admittedly, most of the use I have for it is converting MKVs to MP4s without re-encoding, but it works nicely. If you can get the MKV subs working in Quicktime Player with Perian, then you know it's merely a Front Row deficiency. ps. MKVs suck. Just thought I'd mention it. ;) -- Jared Earle :: There is no SPORK jearle@gmail.com :: http://www.23x.net The Spodcast :: http://spodcast.org From mrhatken at mac.com Mon Feb 18 05:24:36 2008 From: mrhatken at mac.com (Ashley Aitken) Date: Mon Feb 18 05:24:59 2008 Subject: Front Row Subtitles In-Reply-To: <5bbc0cd60802180423v19cc7d42ob838c33ec120a6f5@mail.gmail.com> References: <97C3CCFB-AC71-4608-8668-3EA31E4D9CAF@kreme.com> <5bbc0cd60802180141j66f3bd7w56e0491b7cf4a90@mail.gmail.com> <5bbc0cd60802180423v19cc7d42ob838c33ec120a6f5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6B940A14-5EA5-491F-8838-63DC9E19D721@mac.com> Howdy All, On 18/02/2008, at 9:23 PM, Jared Earle wrote: > If you're using MKVs, you really should be using Perian. Admittedly, > most of the use I have for it is converting MKVs to MP4s without > re-encoding, but it works nicely. If you can get the MKV subs working > in Quicktime Player with Perian, then you know it's merely a Front Row > deficiency. > > ps. MKVs suck. Just thought I'd mention it. ;) Interesting, I first came across an mkv file on the weekend. Couldn't open in Quicktime but VLC handled it fine. Why do you think it sucks? A quick look on the Web, some people think it's quite good, for some seemingly sensible reasons. Cheers, Ashley. -- Ashley Aitken Perth, Western Australia mrhatken at mac dot com Skype Name: MrHatken (GMT + 8 Hours!) From mrhatken at mac.com Mon Feb 18 05:27:04 2008 From: mrhatken at mac.com (Ashley Aitken) Date: Mon Feb 18 05:27:24 2008 Subject: Front Row Subtitles In-Reply-To: <5bbc0cd60802180423v19cc7d42ob838c33ec120a6f5@mail.gmail.com> References: <97C3CCFB-AC71-4608-8668-3EA31E4D9CAF@kreme.com> <5bbc0cd60802180141j66f3bd7w56e0491b7cf4a90@mail.gmail.com> <5bbc0cd60802180423v19cc7d42ob838c33ec120a6f5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <87A904D6-A29D-4574-8692-F52FC13CCC7E@mac.com> Oops, forgot to mention, it is also the format Handbrake "recommends" for ripping films. Cheers, Ashley. Howdy All, On 18/02/2008, at 9:23 PM, Jared Earle wrote: > If you're using MKVs, you really should be using Perian. Admittedly, > most of the use I have for it is converting MKVs to MP4s without > re-encoding, but it works nicely. If you can get the MKV subs working > in Quicktime Player with Perian, then you know it's merely a Front Row > deficiency. > > ps. MKVs suck. Just thought I'd mention it. ;) Interesting, I first came across an mkv file on the weekend. Couldn't open in Quicktime but VLC handled it fine. Why do you think it sucks? A quick look on the Web, some people think it's quite good, for some seemingly sensible reasons. Cheers, Ashley. -- Ashley Aitken Perth, Western Australia mrhatken at mac dot com Skype Name: MrHatken (GMT + 8 Hours!) From jearle at gmail.com Mon Feb 18 05:39:58 2008 From: jearle at gmail.com (Jared Earle) Date: Mon Feb 18 05:40:02 2008 Subject: Front Row Subtitles In-Reply-To: <6B940A14-5EA5-491F-8838-63DC9E19D721@mac.com> References: <97C3CCFB-AC71-4608-8668-3EA31E4D9CAF@kreme.com> <5bbc0cd60802180141j66f3bd7w56e0491b7cf4a90@mail.gmail.com> <5bbc0cd60802180423v19cc7d42ob838c33ec120a6f5@mail.gmail.com> <6B940A14-5EA5-491F-8838-63DC9E19D721@mac.com> Message-ID: <5bbc0cd60802180539k7c7b9afm2187a2fc6fe42122@mail.gmail.com> On Feb 18, 2008 1:24 PM, Ashley Aitken wrote: > On 18/02/2008, at 9:23 PM, Jared Earle wrote: > > ps. MKVs suck. Just thought I'd mention it. ;) > > Interesting, I first came across an mkv file on the weekend. > Couldn't open in Quicktime but VLC handled it fine. > > Why do you think it sucks? > > A quick look on the Web, some people think it's quite good, for some > seemingly sensible reasons. The day you come across an MKV container with a real media video stream and an uncompressed PCM audio track or some of the other stupid travesties I've seen is the day you realise that it's the sort of format that attracts idiots. That alone is enough to put me off. I have a few MKVs that won't play on Quicktime even with Perian and on VLC the subs are screwed. Funnily, it works on Windows Media Player on XP. Does the world really need another container format? -- Jared Earle :: There is no SPORK jearle@gmail.com :: http://www.23x.net The Spodcast :: http://spodcast.org From jearle at gmail.com Mon Feb 18 05:40:51 2008 From: jearle at gmail.com (Jared Earle) Date: Mon Feb 18 05:40:56 2008 Subject: Front Row Subtitles In-Reply-To: <87A904D6-A29D-4574-8692-F52FC13CCC7E@mac.com> References: <97C3CCFB-AC71-4608-8668-3EA31E4D9CAF@kreme.com> <5bbc0cd60802180141j66f3bd7w56e0491b7cf4a90@mail.gmail.com> <5bbc0cd60802180423v19cc7d42ob838c33ec120a6f5@mail.gmail.com> <87A904D6-A29D-4574-8692-F52FC13CCC7E@mac.com> Message-ID: <5bbc0cd60802180540t40c5bcc8ha66ecad78ddc7c65@mail.gmail.com> On Feb 18, 2008 1:27 PM, Ashley Aitken wrote: > > Oops, forgot to mention, it is also the format Handbrake "recommends" > for ripping films. Presumably because it can handle odd-shaped anamorphic pixels. What's wrong with MP4? ;) -- Jared Earle :: There is no SPORK jearle@gmail.com :: http://www.23x.net The Spodcast :: http://spodcast.org From kremels at kreme.com Mon Feb 18 09:44:52 2008 From: kremels at kreme.com (LuKreme) Date: Mon Feb 18 09:44:55 2008 Subject: Front Row Subtitles In-Reply-To: <5bbc0cd60802180423v19cc7d42ob838c33ec120a6f5@mail.gmail.com> References: <97C3CCFB-AC71-4608-8668-3EA31E4D9CAF@kreme.com> <5bbc0cd60802180141j66f3bd7w56e0491b7cf4a90@mail.gmail.com> <5bbc0cd60802180423v19cc7d42ob838c33ec120a6f5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <65E9436F-C076-453F-86B8-C8135B700C1A@kreme.com> On 18-Feb-2008, at 05:23, Jared Earle wrote: > On Feb 18, 2008 12:17 PM, LuKreme wrote: >> On 18-Feb-2008, at 02:41, Jared Earle wrote: >>> Are you running Perian? >> >> I don't believe so. I have installed various codecs, but I don't >> think I used perian's versions. However, it was quite a long while >> ago that I installed the codecs. The codecs installed are: > > If you're using MKVs, you really should be using Perian. Admittedly, > most of the use I have for it is converting MKVs to MP4s without > re-encoding, What are you using to strip the mkv wrapper and does it preserver subtitle tracks? Or are you making .srt files? Or (egads) just stripping the subs? > but it works nicely. If you can get the MKV subs working > in Quicktime Player with Perian, then you know it's merely a Front Row > deficiency. > > ps. MKVs suck. Just thought I'd mention it. ;) Well, yes I am familiar with the religious wars, but the mostly come down to "some people making mkvs are real asshats" and since that is not the fault of the mkv... but almost any HD content you find now seems to be in mkv. I don't especially care since VLC manages it all fine, but in this case I wanted to use Front Row and show the subtitles. The advantage to an mkv container over a avi is multiple tracks and multiple subtitles where avi can't even support a single subtitle track. So, lots of anime mkvs (dual language, multi-language subs). -- It's like looking for the farmers daughter in a haystack, and finding the needle. From jearle at gmail.com Tue Feb 19 05:25:29 2008 From: jearle at gmail.com (Jared Earle) Date: Tue Feb 19 05:25:34 2008 Subject: Front Row Subtitles In-Reply-To: <65E9436F-C076-453F-86B8-C8135B700C1A@kreme.com> References: <97C3CCFB-AC71-4608-8668-3EA31E4D9CAF@kreme.com> <5bbc0cd60802180141j66f3bd7w56e0491b7cf4a90@mail.gmail.com> <5bbc0cd60802180423v19cc7d42ob838c33ec120a6f5@mail.gmail.com> <65E9436F-C076-453F-86B8-C8135B700C1A@kreme.com> Message-ID: <5bbc0cd60802190525j385ec72bh67e264b915cbb16d@mail.gmail.com> On Feb 18, 2008 5:44 PM, LuKreme wrote: > Well, yes I am familiar with the religious wars, but the mostly come > down to "some people making mkvs are real asshats" and since that is > not the fault of the mkv... but almost any HD content you find now > seems to be in mkv. I don't especially care since VLC manages it all > fine, but in this case I wanted to use Front Row and show the subtitles. > > The advantage to an mkv container over a avi is multiple tracks and > multiple subtitles where avi can't even support a single subtitle > track. So, lots of anime mkvs (dual language, multi-language subs). ... but like you say, it doesn't always work. That's a big disadvantage, especially when coupled with the fact there are an awful lot of Windows-only MKVs. A container should pretty much force you to be platform-neutral. -- Jared Earle :: There is no SPORK jearle@gmail.com :: http://www.23x.net The Spodcast :: http://spodcast.org From mailinglists at jasonandannette.us Tue Feb 19 11:13:15 2008 From: mailinglists at jasonandannette.us (J. Todd Slack) Date: Tue Feb 19 11:13:18 2008 Subject: Visual iTunes Plugins Questions Message-ID: Hi, I see that one can create ?visual? iTunes plug-ins. So this means that the user has to have their Visualizer turned on and select the plugin that I write for it to work. My question is: 1. Can you create a UI inside of the visualizer? Use Open GL? I need the user to have a form presented to them to make choices about what should happen. Can anybody provide some insight? Thanks, -Jason -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /mailman/archive/macosx-talk/attachments/20080219/3271a04f/attachment.html From bentley at crenelle.com Tue Feb 19 11:58:54 2008 From: bentley at crenelle.com (Michael Brian Bentley) Date: Tue Feb 19 12:20:31 2008 Subject: Mac Owners Are Snobs AAPL, MSFT - TheStreet TV In-Reply-To: <1EAF10AA-7B36-46BC-ABDF-3087137A453B@mac.com> References: <589697AD-B532-4FCD-8177-FC95C413CE74@mac.com> <4cfa589b0802161047o3b67487cy6d05ccf93016b2a@mail.gmail.com> <1EAF10AA-7B36-46BC-ABDF-3087137A453B@mac.com> Message-ID: Dvorak-style trolling. Hey, web site not getting much traffic? From zpamaral at gmail.com Tue Feb 19 12:46:11 2008 From: zpamaral at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9_Pedro_do_Amaral?=) Date: Tue Feb 19 12:46:17 2008 Subject: Remote backup In-Reply-To: <6215A9A6-78CA-440E-A6B2-2AC99243B3F5@c18.net> References: <6215A9A6-78CA-440E-A6B2-2AC99243B3F5@c18.net> Message-ID: <800CE174-6E27-4FB7-9675-450B4823C5A9@gmail.com> Em 17/02/2008, ?s 10:05, Andrew Brown escreveu: > I'm looking for good remote backup software... I'm on Tiger. > > iBackup is too slow, it doesn't even get off the ground in my set- > up... > > The CCC authentication credential procedure is not working... > > PsyncX does nothing or crashes... > > Any suggestions? I could wait for 10.5, due shortly on my machine, > if that would help, but that leaves another machine still on Tiger > and not due to change for a while. Hi, SuperDuper! has worked well for me: Check the following links for some interesting points and tests: points--- tests--- I also would be worried about the failures listed above... ZP -- Jos? Pedro Sousa do Amaral When love is gone, there's always justice. And when justice is gone, there's always force. And when force is gone, there's always Mom. Hi, Mom! -- Laurie Anderson -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/pkcs7-signature Size: 2419 bytes Desc: not available Url : /mailman/archive/macosx-talk/attachments/20080219/035fc65f/smime.bin From lomion at gmail.com Fri Feb 15 19:25:14 2008 From: lomion at gmail.com (Larry Sica) Date: Tue Feb 19 12:55:39 2008 Subject: somewhat OT: open source wiki software that runs well/easily on OSX In-Reply-To: <17c8e29e0802122036i1670423fk8d45c8a6ed10deef@mail.gmail.com> References: <17c8e29e0802122036i1670423fk8d45c8a6ed10deef@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Feb 12, 2008, at 11:36 PM, John Musbach wrote: > On Feb 9, 2008 10:17 AM, David Herren wrote: >> I am in need--rather suddenly--of installing _two_ new wikis (when it >> rains, it pours). One of which will be installed on a Leopard client >> machine, already running PHP5, the lastest stable mySql, and Apache2 >> and a box which I complete access to; the other on a FreeBSD hosted >> site. > > I recommend MediaWiki > I second this. It's very simple to setup. The only hard part is getting mySQL. I had a full wiki running in under 20 minutes from when I started to install mediawiki. --Larry From glennc at mac.com Tue Feb 19 13:22:37 2008 From: glennc at mac.com (Glenn Carnagey) Date: Tue Feb 19 13:22:45 2008 Subject: Mac Owners Are Snobs AAPL, MSFT - TheStreet TV In-Reply-To: References: <589697AD-B532-4FCD-8177-FC95C413CE74@mac.com> <4cfa589b0802161047o3b67487cy6d05ccf93016b2a@mail.gmail.com> <1EAF10AA-7B36-46BC-ABDF-3087137A453B@mac.com> Message-ID: <6A030F29-7451-4D00-B62F-820C6517666B@mac.com> I dunno, I got a good laugh out of it. Didn't seem mean-spirited or anything, just a bunch of silly stats. These days liking well- crafted (or even less-crappily-made) stuff that just works definitely makes you a snob ... unless you're Amish ... and since you can afford it, you're probably a rich guy that needs to pay a lot more taxes!! Personally I enjoy being an elitist. In college I wore a t-shirt that said "the majority is always wrong because most people are stupid." g./ On Feb 19, 2008, at 1:58 PM, Michael Brian Bentley wrote: > Dvorak-style trolling. Hey, web site not getting much traffic? > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-talk mailing list > MacOSX-talk@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-talk From amorton at fastmail.fm Tue Feb 19 14:38:36 2008 From: amorton at fastmail.fm (Anthony Morton) Date: Tue Feb 19 14:38:43 2008 Subject: Remote backup In-Reply-To: <800CE174-6E27-4FB7-9675-450B4823C5A9@gmail.com> References: <6215A9A6-78CA-440E-A6B2-2AC99243B3F5@c18.net> <800CE174-6E27-4FB7-9675-450B4823C5A9@gmail.com> Message-ID: >> I'm looking for good remote backup software... I'm on Tiger. >> > Hi, > SuperDuper! has worked well for me: > > Check the following links for some interesting points and tests: > points--- > > > tests--- > > I also would be worried about the failures listed above... There's good news, however. Rsync 3.0.0 is in active development, runs on Tiger and can preserve all Mac OS X metadata. The latest prerelease version (3.0.0pre9) seems quite stable and free of critical bugs, and I expect a full release will be imminent. A few of us have done checks with Backup Bouncer with encouraging results, and I'm now using 3.0.0pre9 to back up my own files. So far so good. SuperDuper! is great if a full clone of your filesystem is what you want, but a bit inflexible when it comes to partial backups. Tony M. From amorton at fastmail.fm Tue Feb 19 15:10:38 2008 From: amorton at fastmail.fm (Anthony Morton) Date: Tue Feb 19 15:10:57 2008 Subject: Remote backup In-Reply-To: References: <6215A9A6-78CA-440E-A6B2-2AC99243B3F5@c18.net> <800CE174-6E27-4FB7-9675-450B4823C5A9@gmail.com> Message-ID: > A few of us have done checks with Backup Bouncer with encouraging > results, and I'm now using 3.0.0pre9 to back up my own files. So > far so good. I should add - Rsync is of course a command line solution, which may not suit your needs. I dare say some of the GUI tools out there will adopt the new Rsync once there's a final release. But if you're comfortable with the command line and want to experiment with the latest Rsync now, note that you'll need to build from source, and there are some specific patches to pick up things like HFS+ creation times. First, download and unpack the source tarball and the separate patches from the website: Note the patches unpack into a separate 'patches' directory within the same source folder. Then point Terminal at the source folder and use the following command line recipe: patch -p1 References: <8C839C67-ADC1-4DAF-AF28-283FC2FCA4C4@skwdev.com> Message-ID: On Feb 17, 2008, at 10:29 PM, Shaun Wexler wrote: > On Feb 17, 2008, at 5:42 PM, Kevin Callahan wrote: > >> Has anybody rec'd a MacPro with the NVIDIA GeForce 8800GT yet? if >> so, comments on performance, noise? > > Yes, I got mine last week: Mac Pro 8x 3.2 GHz, 16GB, PCIe 4-lane > Hardware RAID w/4x Cheetah 15k 300 GB SAS drives, BT/AE, NV 8800 512 > MB w/dual 30" Cinema. Absolutely beautiful. Even with four HD, > it's quiet, and they all spin up at once so it boots rapidly too. > Only 730 GB out of 1.2 TB is usable, FYI... RAID-5 needs 5 drives > instead of 4. I have a Mac Pro 2.66 w/8 GB for comparison (and its > fans are louder than the 3.2), as well as a Quad G5 w/8GB and NV > 4500. No complaints so far, except Solaris 10 64-bit crashes in > VMWare; unfortunately Win XP Pro does work. ;-) BTW, I've got the original 2x Apple/OEM 1GB 800MHz FB-DIMM memory modules available, if anyone is looking to upgrade their new Mac Pro to 4GB, etc. I bought the 16GB kit (4x 4GB) from OWC for $1495. -- Shaun Wexler MacFOH http://www.macfoh.com A message from the system administrator: 'I've upped my priority. Now up yours.' From zpamaral at gmail.com Tue Feb 19 20:39:04 2008 From: zpamaral at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9_Pedro_do_Amaral?=) Date: Tue Feb 19 20:39:15 2008 Subject: Remote backup In-Reply-To: References: <6215A9A6-78CA-440E-A6B2-2AC99243B3F5@c18.net> <800CE174-6E27-4FB7-9675-450B4823C5A9@gmail.com> Message-ID: Em 19/02/2008, ?s 16:38, Anthony Morton escreveu: >>> I'm looking for good remote backup software... I'm on Tiger. >>> > >> Hi, >> SuperDuper! has worked well for me: >> >> Check the following links for some interesting points and tests: >> points--- >> > > >> tests--- >> >> I also would be worried about the failures listed above... > > There's good news, however. Rsync 3.0.0 is in active development, > runs on Tiger and can preserve all Mac OS X metadata. The latest > prerelease version (3.0.0pre9) seems quite stable and free of > critical bugs, and I expect a full release will be imminent. > > A few of us have done checks with Backup Bouncer with encouraging > results, and I'm now using 3.0.0pre9 to back up my own files. So > far so good. > SuperDuper! is great if a full clone of your filesystem is what you > want, but a bit inflexible when it comes to partial backups. Hi, I do not know how flexible is a bit inflexible, thus I will describe how I use SuperDuper! to backup automatically two folders (my data folder and my scientific articles folder) every other day. The programs starts on my main laptop, prompts me to mount my home directory from my Sun E3500 server, mounts it through AppleTalk (netatalk on the Sun), mounts locally a sparse disk image that is on my server, and copies the changes I made to the mentioned two folders to the two folders on the disk image. My home directory on the Sun is running on mirrored disks with ZFS, thus adding another layer of safety (or so I believe). The interface of SupperDuper! to perform these partial backup is a bit convoluted. However, the program seems to work well and performs reliably. Thank you for the heads up regarding rsync. I have currently rsync 3.0.0pre5 but have not tested it for my data backups. I will compile the newer version and give it a try. Cordially, ZP -- Jos? Pedro S. do Amaral Fazer l?pides ? construir o futuro. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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From rstacpol at bigpond.net.au Wed Feb 20 03:39:16 2008 From: rstacpol at bigpond.net.au (Richard Stacpoole) Date: Wed Feb 20 03:39:34 2008 Subject: Can anyone suggest 2D presentation/animation software Message-ID: G'Day, I am looking for 2D presentation/animation software that can make better animations than Keynote or Power Point. I am creating animations for industrial processes and need to integrate the animations into training videos. I need to be able to create things like rotating gears, show items moving through the production processes, highlight sections etc. Does anyone have any suggestions? Is there a 3D package that will work well in 2D space? Thanks From pelorus at mac.com Wed Feb 20 05:46:39 2008 From: pelorus at mac.com (Matt Johnston) Date: Wed Feb 20 05:47:30 2008 Subject: Can anyone suggest 2D presentation/animation software In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5754FDF9-A1D0-47C1-ADFD-0C194C78DB11@mac.com> Flash? Director? Even some of the technical drawing apps? -- Matt Johnston - mj@cimota.com - 07515352971 On 20 Feb 2008, at 11:39, Richard Stacpoole wrote: > > G'Day, > > I am looking for 2D presentation/animation software that can make > better animations than Keynote or Power Point. I am creating > animations for industrial processes and need to integrate the > animations into training videos. I need to be able to create things > like rotating gears, show items moving through the production > processes, highlight sections etc. > > Does anyone have any suggestions? Is there a 3D package that will > work well in 2D space? > > Thanks > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-talk mailing list > MacOSX-talk@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-talk From mstearne at entermix.com Wed Feb 20 12:42:35 2008 From: mstearne at entermix.com (Michael Stearne) Date: Wed Feb 20 12:42:46 2008 Subject: How To Make A Quicktime VR Message-ID: I have a couple of stitched panoramas JPGs that I want to turn into a Quicktime VR. What is the easiest (free) way to do this? All the tutorials, software seems like it's OS 9 stuff. Alternatively, an easy way to make a Flash VR. Thanks! Michael From andrew.brown at c18.net Thu Feb 21 00:12:21 2008 From: andrew.brown at c18.net (Andrew Brown) Date: Thu Feb 21 00:12:29 2008 Subject: Remote backup In-Reply-To: References: <6215A9A6-78CA-440E-A6B2-2AC99243B3F5@c18.net> <800CE174-6E27-4FB7-9675-450B4823C5A9@gmail.com> Message-ID: On 20 Feb 2008, at 06:41, Anthony Morton wrote: > Thanks for sharing your experience - I agree SD! is a great > engine. I just know people have found it awkward when doing > partial backups like this. I'm going for SuperDuper, but am concerned at the damage it could do if someone instructs it to carry out the sort of backup that kicks off by erasing everything on the destination drive. Is there a way of disabling this option in SD, or of making part(s) of an external drive read only? Our set up is pretty simple: two PowerBooks (10.4 but one moving soon to 10.5) with a 1TB airport drive due soon from Apple, one Mini elsewhere accessible via ADSL with a 750 MB external drive. Everything on the 750 will also be on the 1TB. AB From neil at laubenthal.net Thu Feb 21 05:43:03 2008 From: neil at laubenthal.net (Neil Laubenthal) Date: Thu Feb 21 05:43:14 2008 Subject: Remote backup In-Reply-To: References: <6215A9A6-78CA-440E-A6B2-2AC99243B3F5@c18.net> <800CE174-6E27-4FB7-9675-450B4823C5A9@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080221084303.c61rpcf87qkys80s@webmail.his.com> Quoting Andrew Brown : > I'm going for SuperDuper, but am concerned at the damage it could do if > someone instructs it to carry out the sort of backup that kicks off by > erasing everything on the destination drive. Is there a way of > disabling this option in SD, or of making part(s) of an external drive > read only? I dont' think you can disable the option . . . but the best way to go about this is probably to save a settings document in SuperDuper. Double check that the settings are correct before you save the file . . . I think you can also set it to auto-run on launch . . .then instead of launching SD double click the settings file instead. That way it opens with the right stuff already selected. You may need to hit Run or Start or whatever it is though. SD saves to a .dmg file if you're duplicating to a network drive . . . so you'll end up with 2 .dmg files on the Airport drive. SD also has scheduling options . . . and I know that those run automatically at the scheduled time. If it won't run automatically by double clicking and you want to otherwise control how/when the backup runs . . . check their forums and there is some discussion about how to do this. Essentially you schedule a job and then unschedule it . . . then go into the /Library/Application Support/SuperDuper folder and find the scheduled job kickoff file . . . make an alias of that and then launch the alias. Finally . . . don't forget DoSomethingWhen . . . a convenient little utility that does something whenever some other something happens. Highly useful for doing stuff like kicking off a script when an external drive is plugged in or when a network drive is mounted . . . it's got plenty of options. From zpamaral at gmail.com Thu Feb 21 07:39:53 2008 From: zpamaral at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9_Pedro_do_Amaral?=) Date: Thu Feb 21 07:40:10 2008 Subject: Remote backup In-Reply-To: References: <6215A9A6-78CA-440E-A6B2-2AC99243B3F5@c18.net> <800CE174-6E27-4FB7-9675-450B4823C5A9@gmail.com> Message-ID: <57E74927-AC8C-4883-BDF4-99CED38A5526@gmail.com> Em 21/02/2008, ?s 02:12, Andrew Brown escreveu: > I'm going for SuperDuper, but am concerned at the damage it could do > if someone instructs it to carry out the sort of backup that kicks > off by erasing everything on the destination drive. Is there a way > of disabling this option in SD, or of making part(s) of an external > drive read only? Hi, There are four options: , two of which erase the target volume before backing up. Have you tried rsync? The latest version compiles well (following Anthony Morton suggestions). ZP -- Jos? Pedro Sousa do Amaral Academic politics is the most vicious and bitter form of politics, because the stakes are so low. -- Wallace Sayre -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I downloaded a movie for rent (my first one) - and saw that the movie was only 1.6G I suspect it's not HD given how small the file is. Does anyone know if the movie rentals from the iTunes store to be played on your desktop or laptop are not HD ? if not, what's the resolution? and does it have something to do with DRM implementation on AppleTV ? K From joar at joar.com Fri Feb 22 14:29:42 2008 From: joar at joar.com (j o a r) Date: Fri Feb 22 14:29:51 2008 Subject: iTunes rentals pulled down to Mac OS X desktop vs Apple TV In-Reply-To: <984BBBA2-505E-4417-A192-89CB38D17615@mac.com> References: <984BBBA2-505E-4417-A192-89CB38D17615@mac.com> Message-ID: <6F7736BF-CBB8-48DB-8B8C-C93B934FC696@joar.com> On Feb 22, 2008, at 11:19 PM, Kevin Callahan wrote: > Does anyone know if the movie rentals from the iTunes store to be > played on your desktop or laptop are not HD ? HD is only for the AppleTV. > if not, what's the resolution? Seems to be 640x480, see: . > and does it have something to do with DRM implementation on AppleTV ? I have no idea. Perhaps it's just a ploy to make people buy the AppleTV? ;-) j o a r From scott at cocoadoc.com Fri Feb 22 16:11:04 2008 From: scott at cocoadoc.com (Scott Anguish) Date: Fri Feb 22 16:11:11 2008 Subject: iTunes rentals pulled down to Mac OS X desktop vs Apple TV In-Reply-To: <6F7736BF-CBB8-48DB-8B8C-C93B934FC696@joar.com> References: <984BBBA2-505E-4417-A192-89CB38D17615@mac.com> <6F7736BF-CBB8-48DB-8B8C-C93B934FC696@joar.com> Message-ID: <79A8BAA1-A10E-4840-AC9D-68862013A588@cocoadoc.com> On Feb 22, 2008, at 2:29 PM, j o a r wrote: >> and does it have something to do with DRM implementation on AppleTV ? > > > I have no idea. Perhaps it's just a ploy to make people buy the > AppleTV? ;-) > wiseguy. no copy protected output on the desktop/laptop.. so no HD From jswitte at bloomington.in.us Fri Feb 22 16:41:57 2008 From: jswitte at bloomington.in.us (Jim Witte) Date: Fri Feb 22 16:42:13 2008 Subject: Anybody have problem with Mail not wanting to increase font size (YahooGroup HTML format emails)? Message-ID: Does anyone else have a problem that Mail (System 10.4.10 Intel, Mail 2.1.1 (752.3)) doesn't want to increase the font font size of some HTML messages? I'm working with messages from a YahooGroups list, and the behavior seems quite unpredictable - sometimes it will increase on one message but not another, sometimes it seems to have a "maxium font size" boyond which it won't go, sometimes it will increase the font size, but then when I switch to a different message (same mailbox), it just refuses to increase anymore? Without a consistent pattern, I can't file a bug report, and I'm thinking it might be in WebKit anyway, which is of course all new Leopard (I did download and *run* the Safari-type application for webkit build r30153, but I wouldn't think that would change any core components of the system (or could, without asking for the administrator password - this is run from an administrator account, not a "nomral" user account) Jim -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /mailman/archive/macosx-talk/attachments/20080222/e45f672a/attachment.html From jswitte at bloomington.in.us Sat Feb 23 08:55:57 2008 From: jswitte at bloomington.in.us (Jim Witte) Date: Sat Feb 23 08:58:33 2008 Subject: Safari 'reopen last session' - Why do many "Untitled x" windows? Message-ID: I have a nasty habit of opening litterally hundreds of webpages in safari, and am mightily glad for the "Reopen windows from last session" for the times (too often, it seesm) that my Mac either freezes completely, or Safari freezes completely, or just quits.. But when I do 'reopen windows', it often come up with a BUNCH of windows (sometimes individual windows, more often it seems hidden tabs in windows) that are just "Untilted" and then a number. What are these - is it a screw-up in the reloading code, or something where the URL didn't get saved in the LastSession plist properly (how often IS the plist updated?) It would be really nice if safari would have a "save all sessions to disk as URL weblocation files..", or have a way you could reopen all windows, but not *load* anything (of course, Safari tries to laod everything concurrently, which I think sometimes causes it to fail again). Yeah, I know, I should just pony up the dough and get Opera.. Is Opera faster than the Leapard version of WebKit (an article I read said that Safari is generally more optimized than the bare-bones OSS WebKit browser, so I wouldn't expect Opera to be faster than that, as Safari's code is still proprietary - I don't really see WHY - I seems like a damn simple "no Earth-shattering-programming-tricks-here program to me. Jim Witte From tonyc at boldfish.co.uk Sat Feb 23 11:05:31 2008 From: tonyc at boldfish.co.uk (Tony Crockford) Date: Sat Feb 23 11:05:52 2008 Subject: Safari 'reopen last session' - Why do many "Untitled x" windows? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <66DDD92F-1DE0-4A3A-938B-D30769262796@boldfish.co.uk> On 23 Feb 2008, at 16:55, Jim Witte wrote: > I have a nasty habit of opening litterally hundreds of webpages in > safari, and am mightily glad for the "Reopen windows from last > session" for the times (too often, it seesm) that my Mac either > freezes completely, or Safari freezes completely, or just quits.. do you have enough RAM for hundreds of web pages? sounds like the caching is eating up too many resources, have you tried running with Private Browsing on? > But when I do 'reopen windows', it often come up with a BUNCH of > windows (sometimes individual windows, more often it seems hidden > tabs in windows) that are just "Untilted" and then a number. What > are these - is it a screw-up in the reloading code, or something > where the URL didn't get saved in the LastSession plist properly > (how often IS the plist updated?) > > It would be really nice if safari would have a "save all sessions > to disk as URL weblocation files..", or have a way you could reopen > all windows, but not *load* anything (of course, Safari tries to > laod everything concurrently, which I think sometimes causes it to > fail again). > > Yeah, I know, I should just pony up the dough and get Opera.. Opera is free. > Is Opera faster than the Leapard version of WebKit Using both the nightly webkit and Safari interchangeably I haven't noticed any major difference. Opera 'feels' faster. hth ;o) From johnmusbach1 at gmail.com Sat Feb 23 13:14:47 2008 From: johnmusbach1 at gmail.com (John Musbach) Date: Sat Feb 23 13:15:04 2008 Subject: Safari 'reopen last session' - Why do many "Untitled x" windows? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <17c8e29e0802231314l45d8cb5aq3bb1049570831c45@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, Feb 23, 2008 at 8:55 AM, Jim Witte wrote: > I have a nasty habit of opening litterally hundreds of webpages in > safari, and am mightily glad for the "Reopen windows from last > session" for the times (too often, it seesm) that my Mac either > freezes completely, or Safari freezes completely, or just quits.. > But when I do 'reopen windows', it often come up with a BUNCH of > windows (sometimes individual windows, more often it seems hidden > tabs in windows) that are just "Untilted" and then a number. What > are these - is it a screw-up in the reloading code, or something > where the URL didn't get saved in the LastSession plist properly (how > often IS the plist updated?) This is most likely caused when you have tabs open in which Safari is trying to resolve the domain and initially load the website during which Safari crashes and as a result since no webpage was officially loaded in those tabs no website is restored in those tabs -- Best Regards, John Musbach From johnl at johnlabovitz.com Sat Feb 23 13:21:35 2008 From: johnl at johnlabovitz.com (John Labovitz) Date: Sat Feb 23 13:31:21 2008 Subject: Safari 'reopen last session' - Why do many "Untitled x" windows? In-Reply-To: <17c8e29e0802231314l45d8cb5aq3bb1049570831c45@mail.gmail.com> References: <17c8e29e0802231314l45d8cb