From kcall at mac.com Sat Sep 1 13:09:08 2007 From: kcall at mac.com (Kevin Callahan) Date: Sat Sep 1 13:09:10 2007 Subject: LaunchBar 4.3.2 Message-ID: <60FCF577-352F-4526-9668-EEF648D0C206@mac.com> one of my favorite utils of all time - just keeps getting better! K http://www.kevincallahan.org/ http://www.kevincallahan.org/software/accessorizer.html http://www.xeniamara.com/ From kremels at kreme.com Sat Sep 1 13:15:56 2007 From: kremels at kreme.com (LuKreme) Date: Sat Sep 1 13:16:26 2007 Subject: Aluminum iMac 20" display quality In-Reply-To: <9EA4B885-5FA1-4BC4-8647-37AED64BDBC3@birdhouse.org> References: <9EA4B885-5FA1-4BC4-8647-37AED64BDBC3@birdhouse.org> Message-ID: <62C8E6D3-B4DD-4E5D-A8E2-6D86245BD207@kreme.com> On 1-Sep-2007, at 00:08, Hacker Scot wrote: > Sounds like the 24" iMacs still use the IPS screen, so I'm tempted > to return it and upgrade, even though I don't really want or need > the extra size. I'm bummed about this. I love the 20" iMac form > factor and feel like I've either got to live with the display > downgrade or switch to a tower w/better screen or MBP. Guess this > was the main reason for the iMac price drop. Dang, Apple. Get the 24", you won't regret it. The things are stunning. :) -- Oh and I could be a genius if I just put my mind to it And I, I could do anything if only I could get 'round to it. From kremels at kreme.com Sat Sep 1 13:31:19 2007 From: kremels at kreme.com (LuKreme) Date: Sat Sep 1 13:31:45 2007 Subject: LaunchBar 4.3.2 In-Reply-To: <60FCF577-352F-4526-9668-EEF648D0C206@mac.com> References: <60FCF577-352F-4526-9668-EEF648D0C206@mac.com> Message-ID: <914C5F0B-2F57-44E2-8A34-7EC3F5ACF261@kreme.com> On 1-Sep-2007, at 14:09, Kevin Callahan wrote: > one of my favorite utils of all time - just keeps getting better! > > index.php?lsrc=macgemsblog> When I sit down at someone else machine for more than a few minutes, I have to install LB. I really hate running a Mac without it. I do wish there was something like it for the occasional times I have to use Windows, but nothing even comes close. -- I draw the line at 7 unreturned phone calls. From kcall at mac.com Sat Sep 1 13:49:56 2007 From: kcall at mac.com (Kevin Callahan) Date: Sat Sep 1 13:49:59 2007 Subject: LaunchBar 4.3.2 In-Reply-To: <914C5F0B-2F57-44E2-8A34-7EC3F5ACF261@kreme.com> References: <60FCF577-352F-4526-9668-EEF648D0C206@mac.com> <914C5F0B-2F57-44E2-8A34-7EC3F5ACF261@kreme.com> Message-ID: On Sep 1, 2007, at 1:31 PM, LuKreme wrote: > On 1-Sep-2007, at 14:09, Kevin Callahan wrote: >> one of my favorite utils of all time - just keeps getting better! >> >> > index.php?lsrc=macgemsblog> > > When I sit down at someone else machine for more than a few > minutes, I have to install LB. I really hate running a Mac without > it. ditto! K http://www.kevincallahan.org/ http://www.kevincallahan.org/software/accessorizer.html http://www.xeniamara.com/ > > I do wish there was something like it for the occasional times I > have to use Windows, but nothing even comes close. > > -- > I draw the line at 7 unreturned phone calls. > > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-talk mailing list > MacOSX-talk@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-talk From abridge at gmail.com Sat Sep 1 20:07:33 2007 From: abridge at gmail.com (Adam Bridge) Date: Sat Sep 1 20:07:36 2007 Subject: Photoframe for a Cube with free software Message-ID: <4cfa589b0709012007l5214fd2eo158af1254b9da83e@mail.gmail.com> I have a Cube that i use to serve family calendars etc. I'd like to use it as a photoframe but with free software. What would you recommend? I can control it with Remote Desktop so that's not a biggie - but something to show an array of images, maybe with something like the zoom and pan that Apple uses in its screen saver would be fun. Thanks for ideas... Adam From andrew.brown at c18.net Sat Sep 1 23:20:30 2007 From: andrew.brown at c18.net (Andrew Brown) Date: Sat Sep 1 23:20:36 2007 Subject: iOrganize alternative Message-ID: Have been using iOrganize to store passwords, believing that a password-protected version would be coming soon, but that is clearly not the case. What programs can be recommended for storing frequently- consulted sensitive information? I downloaded Data Guardian but have not made much sense of it so far. AB From aglee at mac.com Sun Sep 2 06:44:57 2007 From: aglee at mac.com (Andy Lee) Date: Sun Sep 2 06:45:06 2007 Subject: iOrganize alternative In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sep 2, 2007, at 2:20 AM, Andrew Brown wrote: > What programs can be recommended for storing frequently-consulted > sensitive information? I've been using LittleSecrets, by Manfred Schwind, since 2003. It's very well thought out and at IMO way underpriced at $9. There may be a newer better alternative, but I haven't felt the need to look for one. Here's what I like about LittleSecrets: * Two-pane interface allows you to create pages and groups of pages, and navigate them quickly. * Instantaneous find-as-you-type search field. * Freeform rich text. I don't find any benefit in having structured records with fields for username, password, etc. With freeform text I don't have to think about the structure of my data. * Option to auto-detect URLs as you type them in. * Times out and hides window contents if you don't do anything for a while, where "a while" is configurable (it's in the Change Password sheet). You can have multiple LittleSecrets documents, but I just have one with multiple pages -- one page containing all my product registration keys, another for my blog and ISP passwords, another for banking passwords, another for family members' passwords, etc. With the fast search, even that's more structure than I need. At some point I started entering all new info in my "Miscellaneous" page. If I want to look up my Amazon password, I just start typing "amaz" and there it is. The only possible drawback I can think of is that everything is entered as readable text. You can't type a password without it appearing on the screen. That hasn't been a problem for me. Also, because I have many passwords on one page, when I'm looking at that page, someone looking over my shoulder will see all those passwords, not just the one I was looking for. But that's just because of the way I personally use the app. If I were looking for alternatives I might consider the Mori/Notebook/ Yojimbo category of apps. Those do a lot more than I need, so I'd only be attracted if I wanted the extra power. I suppose I could use LittleSecrets as a general-purpose notepad too. (I currently use Xcode for that, which is not bad but slightly cumbersome, but I haven't found the perfect alternative yet.) There's also SBook, which I just discovered has become open-source. I remember trying it many years ago and being impressed, but not sticking with it for some reason. LittleSecrets: SBook: From shawnce at gmail.com Sun Sep 2 08:43:34 2007 From: shawnce at gmail.com (Shawn Erickson) Date: Sun Sep 2 08:43:37 2007 Subject: iOrganize alternative In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 9/1/07, Andrew Brown wrote: > Have been using iOrganize to store passwords, believing that a > password-protected version would be coming soon, but that is clearly > not the case. What programs can be recommended for storing frequently- > consulted sensitive information? I downloaded Data Guardian but have > not made much sense of it so far. /Applicatoins/Utilities/Keychain Access.app I personally use secure notes for things like this in my keychain. -Shawn From kremels at kreme.com Sun Sep 2 09:40:48 2007 From: kremels at kreme.com (LuKreme) Date: Sun Sep 2 09:41:19 2007 Subject: iOrganize alternative In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <73394944-3B47-449F-81FC-20BD0F849647@kreme.com> On 2-Sep-2007, at 00:20, Andrew Brown wrote: > Have been using iOrganize to store passwords, believing that a > password-protected version would be coming soon, but that is > clearly not the case. What programs can be recommended for storing > frequently-consulted sensitive information? I downloaded Data > Guardian but have not made much sense of it so far. Well, there's the built-in keychain.... I store all sorts of things in there. Credit Card info, SSN info, challenge questions for various companies, and ever a record of the false information I've given people (For example, I almost never give my correct birthdate online). But, if you need seamless access to website logins regardless of browser<1>, then I use 1Passwd for that. <1> Well, not sure it support ALL browsers, but Safari, Firefox, Opera, Camino, Flock, Omniweb, and even NetNewsWire and DevonAgent and supposedly any random webkit app. -- Spontaneity has its time and place. From mbplist at csr-bos.com Sun Sep 2 09:40:19 2007 From: mbplist at csr-bos.com (Mark Palmerino) Date: Sun Sep 2 10:23:04 2007 Subject: iOrganize alternative In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > On 9/1/07, Andrew Brown wrote: >> Have been using iOrganize to store passwords, believing that a >> password-protected version would be coming soon... > I use SplashID - it is a password (and info) manager that also runs on palm devices (like my Treo). That way, I have access to this kind of information even when I'm away from my computer. That may not be an issue for you, but thought I'd mention it. Mark From sroebuck at mac.com Sun Sep 2 11:18:09 2007 From: sroebuck at mac.com (Scott Roebuck) Date: Sun Sep 2 11:18:14 2007 Subject: iOrganize alternative In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Data Guardian is used at work for passwords and detailed information for servers, service accounts, etc. It's secure and you can share the database over a network if you were to have a need. Really not that much to it. Create a database, add fields... including a large text field, finally go to File/Database Protection, and add a password for the database. You can create categories for your databases, synchronize between two databases, and more... In my humble opinion, one of the best apps of this type out there. The price isn't bad either. Scott On Sep 1, 2007, at 11:20 PM, Andrew Brown wrote: > Have been using iOrganize to store passwords, believing that a > password-protected version would be coming soon, but that is > clearly not the case. What programs can be recommended for storing > frequently-consulted sensitive information? I downloaded Data > Guardian but have not made much sense of it so far. > > AB > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-talk mailing list > MacOSX-talk@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-talk ____________ This e-mail (including attachments) is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521 and is intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above and may contain information that is privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable laws. 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On Sep 2, 2007, at 9:44 AM, Andy Lee wrote: > On Sep 2, 2007, at 2:20 AM, Andrew Brown wrote: >> What programs can be recommended for storing frequently-consulted >> sensitive information? > > I've been using LittleSecrets, by Manfred Schwind, since 2003. > It's very well thought out and at IMO way underpriced at $9. There > may be a newer better alternative, but I haven't felt the need to > look for one. > > Here's what I like about LittleSecrets: > > * Two-pane interface allows you to create pages and groups of > pages, and navigate them quickly. > > * Instantaneous find-as-you-type search field. > > * Freeform rich text. I don't find any benefit in having > structured records with fields for username, password, etc. With > freeform text I don't have to think about the structure of my data. > > * Option to auto-detect URLs as you type them in. > > * Times out and hides window contents if you don't do anything for > a while, where "a while" is configurable (it's in the Change > Password sheet). > > You can have multiple LittleSecrets documents, but I just have one > with multiple pages -- one page containing all my product > registration keys, another for my blog and ISP passwords, another > for banking passwords, another for family members' passwords, etc. > With the fast search, even that's more structure than I need. At > some point I started entering all new info in my "Miscellaneous" > page. If I want to look up my Amazon password, I just start typing > "amaz" and there it is. > > The only possible drawback I can think of is that everything is > entered as readable text. You can't type a password without it > appearing on the screen. That hasn't been a problem for me. Also, > because I have many passwords on one page, when I'm looking at that > page, someone looking over my shoulder will see all those > passwords, not just the one I was looking for. But that's just > because of the way I personally use the app. > > If I were looking for alternatives I might consider the Mori/ > Notebook/Yojimbo category of apps. Those do a lot more than I > need, so I'd only be attracted if I wanted the extra power. I > suppose I could use LittleSecrets as a general-purpose notepad > too. (I currently use Xcode for that, which is not bad but > slightly cumbersome, but I haven't found the perfect alternative yet.) > > There's also SBook, which I just discovered has become open- > source. I remember trying it many years ago and being impressed, > but not sticking with it for some reason. > > LittleSecrets: index.html> > SBook: > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-talk mailing list > MacOSX-talk@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-talk From scott at cocoadoc.com Sun Sep 2 21:05:07 2007 From: scott at cocoadoc.com (Scott Anguish) Date: Sun Sep 2 21:05:10 2007 Subject: iOrganize alternative In-Reply-To: <940FAF9B-8D31-446B-999B-365AFC12F247@mac.com> References: <940FAF9B-8D31-446B-999B-365AFC12F247@mac.com> Message-ID: isn't this a SAFT plug-in? On Sep 2, 2007, at 9:03 PM, Scott Lewis wrote: > Try www.1passwd.com - I haven't used it myself but hear great things > about it. > From andrew.brown at c18.net Sun Sep 2 22:39:50 2007 From: andrew.brown at c18.net (Andrew Brown) Date: Sun Sep 2 22:39:56 2007 Subject: iOrganize alternative In-Reply-To: <73394944-3B47-449F-81FC-20BD0F849647@kreme.com> References: <73394944-3B47-449F-81FC-20BD0F849647@kreme.com> Message-ID: <19CC824A-1ED8-4B63-B4AF-ED0A95E91E27@c18.net> > But, if you need seamless access to website logins regardless of > browser<1>, then I use 1Passwd for that. Many thanks for all the advice. I'm going to give 1Passwd a try, be interesting to see if it gets around the efforts of banks to force me to fill in their little boxes manually. For the rest I tried Litte Secrets, which is just fine for what I need. I was intrigued by the idea of needing to handle these matters when away from one's computer. How does this happen? It's true that we sleep in separate rooms these days, but when I'm asleep I don't need access to my passwords. AB From steve at paper-ape.com Mon Sep 3 07:01:46 2007 From: steve at paper-ape.com (steve harley) Date: Mon Sep 3 07:02:04 2007 Subject: iOrganize alternative In-Reply-To: <73394944-3B47-449F-81FC-20BD0F849647@kreme.com> References: <73394944-3B47-449F-81FC-20BD0F849647@kreme.com> Message-ID: <46DC13CA.7010606@paper-ape.com> they whom i call LuKreme wrote: > But, if you need seamless access to website logins regardless of > browser<1>, then I use 1Passwd for that. > > <1> Well, not sure it support ALL browsers, but Safari, Firefox, Opera, > Camino, Flock, Omniweb, and even NetNewsWire and DevonAgent and > supposedly any random webkit app. i use it and like it too, but it doesn't support Vienna (a random WebKit app); still, i'm pretty happy with it in general; for years i used Web Confidential, but it became really out-of-date; 1Passwd has great integration with browsers (which will probably break with the demise of InputManagers), but is sometimes frustrating because the 1 in 8 times that it doesn't automatically know what to fill in, it is clumsy to dig information out of (no quick way to copy the contents of the password field, for example); also for non-web-form data, like serial numbers, it is more clumsy than Web Confidential the import of info from Web Confidential to 1Passwd was pretty flakey; the support team listened and has maybe done some fixes, but i haven't completely been able to toss Web Confidential because i'm not certain which info didn't transfer From hexstar at gmail.com Mon Sep 3 11:36:46 2007 From: hexstar at gmail.com (Hex Star) Date: Mon Sep 3 11:36:50 2007 Subject: iOrganize alternative In-Reply-To: <46DC13CA.7010606@paper-ape.com> References: <73394944-3B47-449F-81FC-20BD0F849647@kreme.com> <46DC13CA.7010606@paper-ape.com> Message-ID: <5dc6fd9e0709031136v6694324s663bad25a58b0455@mail.gmail.com> Don't pay for a 3rd part solution, use the free built in Apple Keychain! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Cheers, Andrew From steve at paper-ape.com Mon Sep 3 13:56:21 2007 From: steve at paper-ape.com (steve harley) Date: Mon Sep 3 13:56:39 2007 Subject: iOrganize alternative In-Reply-To: <5dc6fd9e0709031136v6694324s663bad25a58b0455@mail.gmail.com> References: <73394944-3B47-449F-81FC-20BD0F849647@kreme.com> <46DC13CA.7010606@paper-ape.com> <5dc6fd9e0709031136v6694324s663bad25a58b0455@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46DC74F5.2000607@paper-ape.com> they whom i call Hex Star wrote: > Don't pay for a 3rd part solution, use the free built in Apple Keychain! 1Passwd uses the keychain for leverage; it's clever, but incomplete From kremels at kreme.com Mon Sep 3 20:03:16 2007 From: kremels at kreme.com (LuKreme) Date: Mon Sep 3 20:04:10 2007 Subject: iOrganize alternative In-Reply-To: <19CC824A-1ED8-4B63-B4AF-ED0A95E91E27@c18.net> References: <73394944-3B47-449F-81FC-20BD0F849647@kreme.com> <19CC824A-1ED8-4B63-B4AF-ED0A95E91E27@c18.net> Message-ID: On 2-Sep-2007, at 23:39, Andrew Brown wrote: > I'm going to give 1Passwd a try, be interesting to see if it gets > around the efforts of banks to force me to fill in their little > boxes manually. Yes, it does this pretty well. Not 100% automatic, but close enough that I don't have to type anything in. There's even a post about this specific topic on the 1passwd blog page in the last few days/week. -- I killed all my nerves My nerves? What swerves? And I can't drive so steady And already I've lost my memory My mind? Behind! I can't see so clearly From alsina at mac.com Tue Sep 4 08:14:27 2007 From: alsina at mac.com (Cesar Alsina) Date: Tue Sep 4 08:14:34 2007 Subject: Photoframe for a Cube with free software In-Reply-To: <4cfa589b0709012007l5214fd2eo158af1254b9da83e@mail.gmail.com> References: <4cfa589b0709012007l5214fd2eo158af1254b9da83e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <351CAB10-F25E-4727-822F-8C21274AD5F7@mac.com> iPhoto. Comes with every Mac OS X disk. So, if you upgraded your Cube, it's there. I suppose you know it, I'm just pointing it out for those that may not know it. You do a new slide show, do some setup ?including effects and music? and fire it up. Controllable with the Apple Remote. Cesar Alsina On Sep 1, 2007, at 11:07 PM, Adam Bridge wrote: > I have a Cube that i use to serve family calendars etc. I'd like to > use it as a photoframe but with free software. > > What would you recommend? > > I can control it with Remote Desktop so that's not a biggie - but > something to show an array of images, maybe with something like the > zoom and pan that Apple uses in its screen saver would be fun. > > Thanks for ideas... > > Adam > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-talk mailing list > MacOSX-talk@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-talk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /mailman/archive/macosx-talk/attachments/20070904/62ba2e39/attachment.html From mbplist at csr-bos.com Tue Sep 4 09:38:46 2007 From: mbplist at csr-bos.com (Mark Palmerino) Date: Tue Sep 4 09:39:01 2007 Subject: iOrganize alternative In-Reply-To: <19CC824A-1ED8-4B63-B4AF-ED0A95E91E27@c18.net> References: <73394944-3B47-449F-81FC-20BD0F849647@kreme.com> <19CC824A-1ED8-4B63-B4AF-ED0A95E91E27@c18.net> Message-ID: <90480776-A924-40E2-96CE-C4B324FED77B@csr-bos.com> On Sep 3, 2007, at 1:39 AM, Andrew Brown wrote: > I was intrigued by the idea of needing to handle these matters when > away from one's computer. How does this happen? It's true that we > sleep in separate rooms these days, but when I'm asleep I don't > need access to my passwords. > Well, I sometimes play an IT role for a small company - thus, several employees, with accounts on their computers, accounts on servers, etc., I keep passwords and other configuration information (e.g., email) in SplashID and can answer questions during those times when I'm not in front of my computer. This goes for my family, too - mate, a couple of kids, many accounts, many passwords... BTW, why would you sleep in a different room from your computer?? :-) Mark From shacker at birdhouse.org Tue Sep 4 11:42:53 2007 From: shacker at birdhouse.org (Scot Hacker) Date: Tue Sep 4 11:39:49 2007 Subject: Aluminum iMac 20" display quality In-Reply-To: <62C8E6D3-B4DD-4E5D-A8E2-6D86245BD207@kreme.com> References: <9EA4B885-5FA1-4BC4-8647-37AED64BDBC3@birdhouse.org> <62C8E6D3-B4DD-4E5D-A8E2-6D86245BD207@kreme.com> Message-ID: On Sep 1, 2007, at 1:15 PM, LuKreme wrote: > Get the 24", you won't regret it. The things are stunning. Yep, I went for it this weekend, and swapped the 20" for a 24". Still getting used to size of the display, but the quality is stunning - as good as the previous generation iMacs, or better. This is a killer Mac. ./s From kremels at kreme.com Tue Sep 4 11:39:17 2007 From: kremels at kreme.com (LuKreme) Date: Tue Sep 4 11:39:51 2007 Subject: iChat script Message-ID: I sometimes have trouble with iChat going offline and then refusing to come back online. Since my computer is on 24x7, I want people to be able to send me IMs all the time, but that means making sure iChat is online. I used to have a file named .ichat.sh which lived in my $HOME/bin folder and was activated every few minutes by cron by putting in the crontab: */7 * * * * $HOME/bin/.ichat.sh and that file contained: #!/bin/sh osascript -e 'tell application "iChat" to log in '\ and was executable Recently, I've noticed that sometimes iChat gets stuck forever in a "Connecting" state. It will never connect, it will never time out, and it will just sit there until I manually disconnect and then reconnect. So, I made the script, I thought, a tad better: #!/bin/sh osascript -e 'tell application "iChat"'\ -e ' if (status is equal to connecting) or (status is equal to disconnected) or (status is equal to disconnecting) then'\ -e ' log out'\ -e ' log in'\ -e ' end if'\ -e 'end tell' Trouble is, when ichat is OFFLINE, its status is 'Available'. What status this is, exactly, I'm not sure. But to get the real status, you have to get the status of a particular service. I ended up having to do this: #!/bin/sh osascript -e 'tell application "iChat"'\ -e 'if status of service "AIM" is not connected then`\ -e ' log out'\ -e ' log in'\ -e ' end if'\ -e 'end tell' which was frustrating since I had to find this on google, Anyway, this might save someone else the trouble, and it does appear to work correctly as I watched the status cycle from disconnected to connecting to connected. The log out/log in is important because it breaks the endless 'Connecting..." issue, and nothing else seemed to for me. -- "I do not feel obliged to believe that same God who endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect had intended for us to forego their use." -Galileo From shacker at birdhouse.org Tue Sep 4 18:43:55 2007 From: shacker at birdhouse.org (Hacker Scot) Date: Tue Sep 4 18:42:51 2007 Subject: Altitude? Message-ID: <969B7AA1-F555-4466-8F6E-28900068619F@birdhouse.org> Just noticed something in the iMac tech specs, alongside min/max voltage, etc: - Maximum altitude: 10,000 feet ??? What components in a computer are altitude sensitive? Not that I plan to take my Mac up Everest any time soon... just morbid curiosity. ./s From newslists at autonomy.caltech.edu Tue Sep 4 18:50:12 2007 From: newslists at autonomy.caltech.edu (R.L. Grigg) Date: Tue Sep 4 18:50:15 2007 Subject: Altitude? In-Reply-To: <969B7AA1-F555-4466-8F6E-28900068619F@birdhouse.org> References: <969B7AA1-F555-4466-8F6E-28900068619F@birdhouse.org> Message-ID: On Sep 4, 2007, at 6:43 PM, Hacker Scot wrote: > Just noticed something in the iMac tech specs, alongside min/max > voltage, etc: > > - Maximum altitude: 10,000 feet > > ??? What components in a computer are altitude sensitive? We've been told that the thinner air doesnt have the same cooling effectiveness so it will likely casue overheating even when the fan blows on full. Russ From rblove_lists at comcast.net Tue Sep 4 19:04:26 2007 From: rblove_lists at comcast.net (Robert Love) Date: Tue Sep 4 19:04:42 2007 Subject: Altitude? In-Reply-To: <969B7AA1-F555-4466-8F6E-28900068619F@birdhouse.org> References: <969B7AA1-F555-4466-8F6E-28900068619F@birdhouse.org> Message-ID: On Sep 4, 2007, at 8:43 PM, Hacker Scot wrote: > Just noticed something in the iMac tech specs, alongside min/max > voltage, etc: > > - Maximum altitude: 10,000 feet > > ??? What components in a computer are altitude sensitive? > > Not that I plan to take my Mac up Everest any time soon... just > morbid curiosity. Are hard drives sealed against outside air? I remember reading about mountaineers buying multiple iPods and by trial and error, finding ones that worked well up Everest. From danielsabsay at pacbell.net Tue Sep 4 19:05:51 2007 From: danielsabsay at pacbell.net (Daniel Sabsay) Date: Tue Sep 4 19:06:01 2007 Subject: Altitude? In-Reply-To: <969B7AA1-F555-4466-8F6E-28900068619F@birdhouse.org> References: <969B7AA1-F555-4466-8F6E-28900068619F@birdhouse.org> Message-ID: <14D84921-32D3-4445-8BC8-1DC1DE4722A8@pacbell.net> Google search says it's about the need to float the heads of a hard drive above the spinning disk. ------------------------------------------------------- -- Daniel Sabsay, Cybernetic Moments http://home.pacbell.net/sabsay/home On Sep 4, 2007, at 6:43 PM, Hacker Scot wrote: > Just noticed something in the iMac tech specs, alongside min/max > voltage, etc: > > - Maximum altitude: 10,000 feet > > ??? What components in a computer are altitude sensitive? > > Not that I plan to take my Mac up Everest any time soon... just > morbid curiosity. > > ./s > > > > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-talk mailing list > MacOSX-talk@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-talk From robertlaferla at comcast.net Tue Sep 4 19:25:27 2007 From: robertlaferla at comcast.net (Robert La Ferla) Date: Tue Sep 4 19:25:32 2007 Subject: MPlayer OSX Message-ID: The GUI app MPlayer OSX has not been updated in over a year while development of mplayer is updated daily. Is there a OS X GUI app for the latest mplayer? Ideally, one that builds with the subversion source? From larkost at softhome.net Tue Sep 4 19:30:19 2007 From: larkost at softhome.net (Karl Kuehn) Date: Tue Sep 4 19:31:14 2007 Subject: MPlayer OSX In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sep 4, 2007, at 10:25 PM, Robert La Ferla wrote: > The GUI app MPlayer OSX has not been updated in over a year while > development of mplayer is updated daily. Is there a OS X GUI app > for the latest mplayer? Ideally, one that builds with the > subversion source? I think that this project has dies on the Mac side due to the success of the VLC project. They both are dedicated to the same thing: playing back all of the broken "DiVX" implementations out there. Once VLC got most of the codecs that MPlayer had, there was little point in both projects being active, and VLC simply beat them out. I would expect it to continue on on linux, as that crowd is more likely to split attention to multiple projects (for multiple reasons). -- Karl Kuehn larkost@softhome.net From kremels at kreme.com Wed Sep 5 00:50:08 2007 From: kremels at kreme.com (LuKreme) Date: Wed Sep 5 00:50:45 2007 Subject: Altitude? In-Reply-To: <969B7AA1-F555-4466-8F6E-28900068619F@birdhouse.org> References: <969B7AA1-F555-4466-8F6E-28900068619F@birdhouse.org> Message-ID: On 4-Sep-2007, at 19:43, Hacker Scot wrote: > Just noticed something in the iMac tech specs, alongside min/max > voltage, etc: > > - Maximum altitude: 10,000 feet > > ??? What components in a computer are altitude sensitive? > > Not that I plan to take my Mac up Everest any time soon... just > morbid curiosity. Keep in mind that Everest is nearly three times that elevation. Leadville, CO, is higher than 10,000 feet<1>. I've asked people in Leadville about this a few times and have yet to run into anyone who was 1) aware of the limit 2) did anything about it. <1> The official elevation at the airport is 'only' 9927 feet, but the Town's official elevation is 10,152, and the airport is a ways outside of town. One other bit of senseless trivia, the county Leadville is in has a low elevation of 9,007 feet, making it the highest low for a county in at least the lower-48, if not in the 50 states. -- ...gentlemen in England now a-bed Shall think themselves accursed they were not here, From kremels at kreme.com Wed Sep 5 00:52:29 2007 From: kremels at kreme.com (LuKreme) Date: Wed Sep 5 13:58:25 2007 Subject: MPlayer OSX In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 4-Sep-2007, at 20:25, Robert La Ferla wrote: > The GUI app MPlayer OSX has not been updated in over a year while > development of mplayer is updated daily. Is there a OS X GUI app > for the latest mplayer? Ideally, one that builds with the > subversion source? Nope, which is why I switched completely to VLC ages ago (I was always more than 90% VLC, but I did use to keep mplayer around 'just in case'). -- Spontaneity has its time and place. From kremels at kreme.com Wed Sep 5 14:18:14 2007 From: kremels at kreme.com (LuKreme) Date: Wed Sep 5 14:18:20 2007 Subject: Mail.app and IMAP Unsubscribe Message-ID: <90BA3D9D-76BF-483F-B79A-E2870B0DAD47@kreme.com> OK, I know I've looked into this once before, and the answer then was no. Hoping for some change though. Is there anyway to force mail.app to unsubscribe from some mailboxes on the IMAP server? I mean, I don't need 2001-2006 mail accessible all the time, but I want it there so that I _CAN_ access it ont hose rare occasions I need to. For example, whilst in mexico last month, I needed to scan 2002-2005 emails looking for some contact information, so I am loathe to take that offline, but on the other hand, I don't need to have access to it every day all day. -- "Last night - you were unhinged. You were like some desperate, howling demon. You frightened me. - Do it again!" From kcall at mac.com Wed Sep 5 13:02:07 2007 From: kcall at mac.com (Kevin Callahan) Date: Wed Sep 5 14:31:12 2007 Subject: iPhone rebates Message-ID: After a month of debating with him, a friend finally decided to get his wife an iPhone .. got it on Thurs. Is there any grace period for rebates given today's announcement of a 200 dollar price drop? I'm afraid to have my next conversation with him ! K From shawnce at gmail.com Wed Sep 5 14:37:35 2007 From: shawnce at gmail.com (Shawn Erickson) Date: Wed Sep 5 14:44:44 2007 Subject: iPhone rebates In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 9/5/07, Kevin Callahan wrote: > After a month of debating with him, a friend finally decided to get > his wife an iPhone .. got it on Thurs. > > Is there any grace period for rebates given today's announcement of a > 200 dollar price drop? > > I'm afraid to have my next conversation with him ! It appears some folks that have called Apple or AT&T have gotten a credit if they purchased it recently. -Shawn From hexstar at gmail.com Wed Sep 5 16:16:14 2007 From: hexstar at gmail.com (Hex Star) Date: Wed Sep 5 16:16:22 2007 Subject: Mail.app and IMAP Unsubscribe In-Reply-To: <90BA3D9D-76BF-483F-B79A-E2870B0DAD47@kreme.com> References: <90BA3D9D-76BF-483F-B79A-E2870B0DAD47@kreme.com> Message-ID: <5dc6fd9e0709051616ka07027fi53a245ef68095b63@mail.gmail.com> Unfortunately this doesn't seem to have changed... :( -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /mailman/archive/macosx-talk/attachments/20070905/fe7e55a0/attachment.html From mrhatken at mac.com Wed Sep 5 18:33:11 2007 From: mrhatken at mac.com (Ashley Aitken) Date: Wed Sep 5 18:34:14 2007 Subject: No Mail app on iPod Touch? Message-ID: <4F675049-380E-4038-9D14-FC52C1AB8965@mac.com> Howdy All, Why no Mail app on iPod Touch? I assume it uses MacOSX, it has Safari, ... Is there anything else missing on the iPod Touch that is not on the iPhone but not phone-related? Will video-out work with the iPod Touch (and/or iPod nano) like the iPod Classic? Does video-out need a dock or can it work with a special iPod connector cable? Cheers, Ashley. PS Of course, Web mail is an option ... From matt at logicsquad.net Wed Sep 5 19:12:34 2007 From: matt at logicsquad.net (Matt) Date: Wed Sep 5 19:19:22 2007 Subject: No Mail app on iPod Touch? In-Reply-To: <4F675049-380E-4038-9D14-FC52C1AB8965@mac.com> References: <4F675049-380E-4038-9D14-FC52C1AB8965@mac.com> Message-ID: <64034.202.139.159.71.1189044754.squirrel@bigbird.logicsquad.net> On Thu, September 6, 2007 11:33 am, Ashley Aitken said: > > Howdy All, Hi! > Why no Mail app on iPod Touch? It's an iPod. > Will video-out work with the iPod Touch (and/or iPod nano) like the > iPod Classic? Does video-out need a dock or can it work with a > special iPod connector cable? http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore.woa/wa/RSLID?mco=185CC5FE&nplm=MB129LL/A From kremels at kreme.com Wed Sep 5 19:31:22 2007 From: kremels at kreme.com (LuKreme) Date: Wed Sep 5 19:31:27 2007 Subject: No Mail app on iPod Touch? In-Reply-To: <4F675049-380E-4038-9D14-FC52C1AB8965@mac.com> References: <4F675049-380E-4038-9D14-FC52C1AB8965@mac.com> Message-ID: On 5-Sep-2007, at 19:33, Ashley Aitken wrote: > Why no Mail app on iPod Touch? I dunno :( I will probably get one anyway, but I am really disappointed I will be stuck using webmail. > I assume it uses MacOSX, it has Safari, ... Is there anything else > missing on the iPod Touch that is not on the iPhone but not phone- > related? I'd like to have Skype as well, but I know that's a fruitless dream. > Will video-out work with the iPod Touch (and/or iPod nano) like the > iPod Classic? Does video-out need a dock or can it work with a > special iPod connector cable? I think video out needs the dock, but good question. -- Hudd: 'I've just done this radio show where I never met any of the other actors and I didn't understand what any of it was about' Moore: 'Ah, yes, I expect that's the thing I'm in.' From kremels at kreme.com Wed Sep 5 20:54:47 2007 From: kremels at kreme.com (LuKreme) Date: Wed Sep 5 20:54:54 2007 Subject: No Mail app on iPod Touch? In-Reply-To: <64034.202.139.159.71.1189044754.squirrel@bigbird.logicsquad.net> References: <4F675049-380E-4038-9D14-FC52C1AB8965@mac.com> <64034.202.139.159.71.1189044754.squirrel@bigbird.logicsquad.net> Message-ID: <16C6585D-2F15-4ADA-B987-29345CCA5800@kreme.com> On 5-Sep-2007, at 20:12, Matt wrote: > On Thu, September 6, 2007 11:33 am, Ashley Aitken said: >> Why no Mail app on iPod Touch? > > It's an iPod. It's an iPod with wifi and Safari. a mail app is a natural. -- and I lift my glass to the Awful Truth / which you can't reveal to the Ears of Youth / except to say it isn't worth a dime From chad at objectwerks.com Wed Sep 5 22:11:57 2007 From: chad at objectwerks.com (Chad Leigh -- ObjectWerks Inc) Date: Wed Sep 5 22:12:02 2007 Subject: No Mail app on iPod Touch? In-Reply-To: <64034.202.139.159.71.1189044754.squirrel@bigbird.logicsquad.net> References: <4F675049-380E-4038-9D14-FC52C1AB8965@mac.com> <64034.202.139.159.71.1189044754.squirrel@bigbird.logicsquad.net> Message-ID: <767563CD-4932-4B35-AFFC-89604B69FD6A@objectwerks.com> On Sep 5, 2007, at 8:12 PM, Matt wrote: > On Thu, September 6, 2007 11:33 am, Ashley Aitken said: >> >> Howdy All, > > Hi! > >> Why no Mail app on iPod Touch? > > It's an iPod. yeah, and? Half the other stuff on it is not normal ipod stuff either I am with ashley. I would be tempted if it had email Chad > >> Will video-out work with the iPod Touch (and/or iPod nano) like the >> iPod Classic? Does video-out need a dock or can it work with a >> special iPod connector cable? > > http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore.woa/wa/ > RSLID?mco=185CC5FE&nplm=MB129LL/A > > > > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-talk mailing list > MacOSX-talk@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-talk From matt at logicsquad.net Wed Sep 5 22:45:21 2007 From: matt at logicsquad.net (Matt) Date: Wed Sep 5 22:45:25 2007 Subject: No Mail app on iPod Touch? In-Reply-To: <767563CD-4932-4B35-AFFC-89604B69FD6A@objectwerks.com> References: <4F675049-380E-4038-9D14-FC52C1AB8965@mac.com> <64034.202.139.159.71.1189044754.squirrel@bigbird.logicsquad.net> <767563CD-4932-4B35-AFFC-89604B69FD6A@objectwerks.com> Message-ID: <51016.202.139.159.71.1189057521.squirrel@bigbird.logicsquad.net> On Thu, September 6, 2007 3:11 pm, Chad Leigh -- ObjectWerks Inc said: > > On Sep 5, 2007, at 8:12 PM, Matt wrote: > >> On Thu, September 6, 2007 11:33 am, Ashley Aitken said: >>> >>> Howdy All, >> >> Hi! >> >>> Why no Mail app on iPod Touch? >> >> It's an iPod. > > yeah, and? > > Half the other stuff on it is not normal ipod stuff either > > I am with ashley. I would be tempted if it had email Don't get me wrong, I would be tempted too! But is it fair to say it's primary function is a media player not a comm device, and the wi-fi/USB connectivity is for that reason? Once again, this (ahem) convergence sounds great, but don't apple already have a device that does this (which by the way will be using the itunes wifi service also)? Matt From mstearne at entermix.com Wed Sep 5 22:59:06 2007 From: mstearne at entermix.com (Michael Stearne) Date: Wed Sep 5 22:59:10 2007 Subject: No Mail app on iPod Touch? In-Reply-To: <51016.202.139.159.71.1189057521.squirrel@bigbird.logicsquad.net> References: <4F675049-380E-4038-9D14-FC52C1AB8965@mac.com> <64034.202.139.159.71.1189044754.squirrel@bigbird.logicsquad.net> <767563CD-4932-4B35-AFFC-89604B69FD6A@objectwerks.com> <51016.202.139.159.71.1189057521.squirrel@bigbird.logicsquad.net> Message-ID: <293e03f00709052259m6fab1907l8ffa45e02cdf5af5@mail.gmail.com> On 9/6/07, Matt wrote: > On Thu, September 6, 2007 3:11 pm, Chad Leigh -- ObjectWerks Inc said: > > > > On Sep 5, 2007, at 8:12 PM, Matt wrote: > > > >> On Thu, September 6, 2007 11:33 am, Ashley Aitken said: > >>> > >>> Howdy All, > >> > >> Hi! > >> > >>> Why no Mail app on iPod Touch? > >> > >> It's an iPod. > > > > yeah, and? > > > > Half the other stuff on it is not normal ipod stuff either > > > > I am with ashley. I would be tempted if it had email > > Don't get me wrong, I would be tempted too! But is it fair to say it's > primary function is a media player not a comm device, and the wi-fi/USB > connectivity is for that reason? > > Once again, this (ahem) convergence sounds great, but don't apple already > have a device that does this (which by the way will be using the itunes > wifi service also)? I can understand why there is no native Mail app. People want a constant connection with email. I think the extra $100 is now worth it for the iPhone because you have the network at all times and the phone functionality. Michael From andrew.brown at c18.net Wed Sep 5 23:01:24 2007 From: andrew.brown at c18.net (Andrew Brown) Date: Wed Sep 5 23:01:29 2007 Subject: No Mail app on iPod Touch? In-Reply-To: <51016.202.139.159.71.1189057521.squirrel@bigbird.logicsquad.net> References: <4F675049-380E-4038-9D14-FC52C1AB8965@mac.com> <64034.202.139.159.71.1189044754.squirrel@bigbird.logicsquad.net> <767563CD-4932-4B35-AFFC-89604B69FD6A@objectwerks.com> <51016.202.139.159.71.1189057521.squirrel@bigbird.logicsquad.net> Message-ID: <4773ECF1-7FF4-48CE-8A3B-362D5DDB9637@c18.net> > I would be tempted if it had email And I'd take two if they went as fast as a Bentley Continental and kept the gutters clear of leaves. AB From list-omnigroup at fsck.net Wed Sep 5 23:40:44 2007 From: list-omnigroup at fsck.net (Eugene) Date: Wed Sep 5 23:40:08 2007 Subject: Altitude? In-Reply-To: References: <969B7AA1-F555-4466-8F6E-28900068619F@birdhouse.org> Message-ID: <20070906064044.GI17723@core-age.local> On Tue, Sep 04, 2007 at 08:50:12PM CDT, R.L. Grigg wrote: > > On Sep 4, 2007, at 6:43 PM, Hacker Scot wrote: > >> Just noticed something in the iMac tech specs, alongside min/max voltage, etc: >> >> - Maximum altitude: 10,000 feet >> >> ??? What components in a computer are altitude sensitive? > > We've been told that the thinner air doesnt have the same cooling > effectiveness so it will likely casue overheating even when the fan blows > on full. The less dense the air is, the less number of "air" molecules, therefore the less amount of matter available to carry away heat via kinetic energy. -- Eugene http://www.coxar.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/ From chad at objectwerks.com Thu Sep 6 09:12:11 2007 From: chad at objectwerks.com (Chad Leigh) Date: Thu Sep 6 09:12:17 2007 Subject: No Mail app on iPod Touch? In-Reply-To: <293e03f00709052259m6fab1907l8ffa45e02cdf5af5@mail.gmail.com> References: <4F675049-380E-4038-9D14-FC52C1AB8965@mac.com> <64034.202.139.159.71.1189044754.squirrel@bigbird.logicsquad.net> <767563CD-4932-4B35-AFFC-89604B69FD6A@objectwerks.com> <51016.202.139.159.71.1189057521.squirrel@bigbird.logicsquad.net> <293e03f00709052259m6fab1907l8ffa45e02cdf5af5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <42914AEB-BF43-459B-8AF0-157EC38D2783@objectwerks.com> On Sep 5, 2007, at 11:59 PM, Michael Stearne wrote: > > I can understand why there is no native Mail app. People want a > constant connection with email. I think the extra $100 is now worth > it for the iPhone because you have the network at all times and the > phone functionality. No need for a constant connection with email. Email is the same as Safari and YouTube in terms of services needed and usability. I really want an ssh app though and that is why I did not get an iphone. Chad From shawnce at gmail.com Thu Sep 6 09:19:46 2007 From: shawnce at gmail.com (Shawn Erickson) Date: Thu Sep 6 09:19:50 2007 Subject: No Mail app on iPod Touch? In-Reply-To: <767563CD-4932-4B35-AFFC-89604B69FD6A@objectwerks.com> References: <4F675049-380E-4038-9D14-FC52C1AB8965@mac.com> <64034.202.139.159.71.1189044754.squirrel@bigbird.logicsquad.net> <767563CD-4932-4B35-AFFC-89604B69FD6A@objectwerks.com> Message-ID: On 9/5/07, Chad Leigh -- ObjectWerks Inc wrote: > > On Sep 5, 2007, at 8:12 PM, Matt wrote: > > > On Thu, September 6, 2007 11:33 am, Ashley Aitken said: > >> > >> Howdy All, > > > > Hi! > > > >> Why no Mail app on iPod Touch? > > > > It's an iPod. > > yeah, and? > > Half the other stuff on it is not normal ipod stuff either Safari primarily exists so you can use WiFi hot spots that require login (basically just about all hot spots have web-pages you use to get connected). YouTube exists since it is a video source and the iPod is a A/V device. Mail would be nice but that is out of the scope of the product and into the iPhone's realm of being a communications device. -Shawn From rik at aie.com Thu Sep 6 10:13:07 2007 From: rik at aie.com (Rik Ahlberg) Date: Thu Sep 6 10:37:09 2007 Subject: No Mail app on iPod Touch? In-Reply-To: References: <4F675049-380E-4038-9D14-FC52C1AB8965@mac.com> <64034.202.139.159.71.1189044754.squirrel@bigbird.logicsquad.net> <767563CD-4932-4B35-AFFC-89604B69FD6A@objectwerks.com> Message-ID: >>> >>>> Why no Mail app on iPod Touch? Mail.app doesn't drive additional revenue. The iPod and iPod touch are all about selling music, and the iPhone is about selling phone service and music. Those bare facts are certainly huge factors in what Apple does and doesn't do in terms of applications on these devices. That said, I'm sure someone will try to hack the mobile Mail.app into the iPod touch :) Cheers, Rik From kremels at kreme.com Thu Sep 6 12:11:33 2007 From: kremels at kreme.com (LuKreme) Date: Thu Sep 6 12:11:41 2007 Subject: Altitude? In-Reply-To: <20070906064044.GI17723@core-age.local> References: <969B7AA1-F555-4466-8F6E-28900068619F@birdhouse.org> <20070906064044.GI17723@core-age.local> Message-ID: On 6-Sep-2007, at 00:40, Eugene wrote: > On Tue, Sep 04, 2007 at 08:50:12PM CDT, R.L. Grigg > wrote: >> On Sep 4, 2007, at 6:43 PM, Hacker Scot wrote: >>> - Maximum altitude: 10,000 feet >>> >>> ??? What components in a computer are altitude sensitive? >> >> We've been told that the thinner air doesnt have the same cooling >> effectiveness so it will likely casue overheating even when the >> fan blows >> on full. > > The less dense the air is, the less number of "air" molecules, > therefore the less amount of matter available to carry away heat > via kinetic energy. I don't buy that argument at all. It's much more likely to be something like the reduced air pressure increases the chances that the r/w heads on the hard disk will 'crash' to the disc surface, as someone else mentioned. However, in an imac, there could easily be other components that are altitude sensitive (the bulb for the LCD perhaps?); so it's hard to guess. I do note that Maxtor hard drives list a maximum altitude of 3048 meters, which must be just about exactly 10,000 feet. My Seagate has a non-operating max altitude of 12,000 meters, but that is NON-operating. -- "There will always be women in rubber flirting with me." From kremels at kreme.com Thu Sep 6 12:14:15 2007 From: kremels at kreme.com (LuKreme) Date: Thu Sep 6 12:14:26 2007 Subject: No Mail app on iPod Touch? In-Reply-To: <42914AEB-BF43-459B-8AF0-157EC38D2783@objectwerks.com> References: <4F675049-380E-4038-9D14-FC52C1AB8965@mac.com> <64034.202.139.159.71.1189044754.squirrel@bigbird.logicsquad.net> <767563CD-4932-4B35-AFFC-89604B69FD6A@objectwerks.com> <51016.202.139.159.71.1189057521.squirrel@bigbird.logicsquad.net> <293e03f00709052259m6fab1907l8ffa45e02cdf5af5@mail.gmail.com> <42914AEB-BF43-459B-8AF0-157EC38D2783@objectwerks.com> Message-ID: <0A5B92FA-6CA6-42BB-B5DE-91A969544FBE@kreme.com> On 6-Sep-2007, at 10:12, Chad Leigh wrote: > I really want an ssh app though and that is why I did not get an > iphone. You can do ssh via a web-browser; I'v done it with webmin a few times. I don't know if I would want to type cli-foo with the virtual keyboard though. The touchpod covers about 80% of what I need a laptop for. if it had mail, it would be 95%. The other 5% I can work around (for example, with webmin) -- Do you believe that there's someone up above, and does he have a timetable directing acts of love? From abridge at gmail.com Thu Sep 6 12:22:25 2007 From: abridge at gmail.com (Adam Bridge) Date: Thu Sep 6 12:22:28 2007 Subject: Altitude? In-Reply-To: References: <969B7AA1-F555-4466-8F6E-28900068619F@birdhouse.org> <20070906064044.GI17723@core-age.local> Message-ID: <4cfa589b0709061222y5144066by348082a8c618b069@mail.gmail.com> I have to think it's the disk drive that's giving the altitude limitation. I have a reason for this. We have a Garmin 2620 GPS unit that we carry with us in our cars when we travel. Works great EXCEPT when venturing over 10,000 feet. Crossing the Beartooth Pass in northern Wyoming, and over the summit of I-70 east of Vail, CO our Garmin unit failed when it tried to refresh its displayed information. The unit has an internal disk drive with all the mapping data in it. When we descended below 9,000 feet or so it began to work again. Now I think that's not a Good Thing in a portable navigation unit but it's what I think happened. I have to call Garmin and see if they can/will do something about it. Adam Bridge On 9/6/07, LuKreme wrote: > On 6-Sep-2007, at 00:40, Eugene wrote: > > On Tue, Sep 04, 2007 at 08:50:12PM CDT, R.L. Grigg > > wrote: > >> On Sep 4, 2007, at 6:43 PM, Hacker Scot wrote: > >>> - Maximum altitude: 10,000 feet > >>> > >>> ??? What components in a computer are altitude sensitive? > >> > >> We've been told that the thinner air doesnt have the same cooling > >> effectiveness so it will likely casue overheating even when the > >> fan blows > >> on full. > > > > The less dense the air is, the less number of "air" molecules, > > therefore the less amount of matter available to carry away heat > > via kinetic energy. > > I don't buy that argument at all. It's much more likely to be > something like the reduced air pressure increases the chances that > the r/w heads on the hard disk will 'crash' to the disc surface, as > someone else mentioned. > > However, in an imac, there could easily be other components that are > altitude sensitive (the bulb for the LCD perhaps?); so it's hard to > guess. > > I do note that Maxtor hard drives list a maximum altitude of 3048 > meters, which must be just about exactly 10,000 feet. > > My Seagate has a non-operating max altitude of 12,000 meters, but > that is NON-operating. > > -- > "There will always be women in rubber flirting with me." > > > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-talk mailing list > MacOSX-talk@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-talk > From jswitte at bloomington.in.us Thu Sep 6 12:24:50 2007 From: jswitte at bloomington.in.us (Jim Witte) Date: Thu Sep 6 12:25:04 2007 Subject: No Mail app on iPod Touch? In-Reply-To: References: <4F675049-380E-4038-9D14-FC52C1AB8965@mac.com> <64034.202.139.159.71.1189044754.squirrel@bigbird.logicsquad.net> <767563CD-4932-4B35-AFFC-89604B69FD6A@objectwerks.com> Message-ID: <903F347C-3151-472A-95A6-7F968275591F@bloomington.in.us> >>> On Thu, September 6, 2007 11:33 am, Ashley Aitken said: >>>> Why no Mail app on iPod Touch? >>> It's an iPod. Maybe Apple's afraid that if they put too many things on the iPod Touch, it might cut into iPhone sales. As for "just get an iPhone" - the iPhone requires a contract - until someone comes up with a reliable way to enable it without one (meaning can't be patched over in half an hour by Apple in a software update). The iPhone is very close to being a reincarnation of the Newton (just add Inkwell - and COMPLETE Inkewell so it can handle cursive as well as printing [this WAS in the works before Newton was canned..]). But as long as the iPhone is teathered to a phone contract.. it isn't a real PDA IMO. The iPhone is a lot better than the Newton was in a lot of ways - it lacks external storage capacity (until someone figures out how to hook up PCMCIA/CF/express-cards to the dock port), but the processor is faster, the screen is better, it has built-in Wifi and Bluetooth ad MP3 support (instead of being software/hardware add-ons with the Newton), and video support in hardware (will never happen for the Newton unless there's a hardware decoding solution). But then, Newton per se is dead - the future of the platform is software emulation, which I would really like to see on an iPhone - if only to see the reaction at an Apple store.. Einstein running on the iPhone - and once Linux for a lightweight POSIX OS is running on iPhone - it will be.. :) I wonder - how long until the Cocoa layer for iPod Touch is hacked? Isn't there already at least a partly-functional toolchain for making real apps for the iPhone (on whatever stripped down version of OSX it uses). I assume iPod Touch is quite similar software wise.. and there already is an established "iPod Hacking" community" (which doesn't seem quite as developed for the iPhone - yet - but the iPhone has only been out for about a month - having a partial toolchain this quickly is amazing IMO) Jim From jswitte at bloomington.in.us Thu Sep 6 12:31:40 2007 From: jswitte at bloomington.in.us (Jim Witte) Date: Thu Sep 6 12:31:53 2007 Subject: No Mail app on iPod Touch? In-Reply-To: References: <4F675049-380E-4038-9D14-FC52C1AB8965@mac.com> <64034.202.139.159.71.1189044754.squirrel@bigbird.logicsquad.net> <767563CD-4932-4B35-AFFC-89604B69FD6A@objectwerks.com> Message-ID: > Mail.app doesn't drive additional revenue. I think the same could be argued about a lot of things on the Mac and iPod already - Contacts and Caledars on iPod Classic don't sell iPods either (probably - just get a Palm). Not does it sell Macs - you need the Mac anyway (and iPod will work with PC, so the "selling Macs" argument is broken anyway) I wonder how much of the iPod Touch functionality will only work with Mac (if any)? Apple software has historically always been about driving innovation and usefulness not only from Apple, but also from third- party developers. Not that Apple always notices this immidiately (witness the small-to-large outcry over the lack of real programming for the iPod/iPhone, and the furor over the possible removal of InputManagers from Leopard. I hope Apple is listening when people say that if they can't use Saft with Leopard, they won't buy.. And then make a *secure* way for InputManagers to be authenticated by the user on a per-application basis..) Jim From sglewis at mac.com Thu Sep 6 13:16:37 2007 From: sglewis at mac.com (Scott Lewis) Date: Thu Sep 6 13:16:54 2007 Subject: Altitude? In-Reply-To: <4cfa589b0709061222y5144066by348082a8c618b069@mail.gmail.com> References: <969B7AA1-F555-4466-8F6E-28900068619F@birdhouse.org> <20070906064044.GI17723@core-age.local> <4cfa589b0709061222y5144066by348082a8c618b069@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1269AD5A-2ADA-4F00-8B26-2A7A197DF9B5@mac.com> I had an old 2620 that broke, and courtesy of Best Buy's extended warranty was swapped out in store for "anything you want that doesn't cost more". I picked up a Nuvi 680 and while the 26XX series has a bit more features (more than one via point on a route, slightly more on screen information, etc), the battery powered, lightweight Nuvi is so much more portable. I was pretty sure there was another difference too, and sure enough, according to Garmin.com it looks like the Nuvi's use "solid state memory", so they must have flash ram not the 4gb Microdrive that the 26XX series has. Looks like the new 7XX has some of that advanced routing that the 26XX StreetPilot's have and that the 6XX series is lacking. On Sep 6, 2007, at 3:22 PM, Adam Bridge wrote: > I have to think it's the disk drive that's giving the altitude > limitation. I have a reason for this. > > We have a Garmin 2620 GPS unit that we carry with us in our cars when > we travel. Works great EXCEPT when venturing over 10,000 feet. > Crossing the Beartooth Pass in northern Wyoming, and over the summit > of I-70 east of Vail, CO our Garmin unit failed when it tried to > refresh its displayed information. The unit has an internal disk drive > with all the mapping data in it. When we descended below 9,000 feet or > so it began to work again. > > Now I think that's not a Good Thing in a portable navigation unit but > it's what I think happened. I have to call Garmin and see if they > can/will do something about it. > > Adam Bridge > > > On 9/6/07, LuKreme wrote: >> On 6-Sep-2007, at 00:40, Eugene wrote: >>> On Tue, Sep 04, 2007 at 08:50:12PM CDT, R.L. Grigg >>> wrote: >>>> On Sep 4, 2007, at 6:43 PM, Hacker Scot wrote: >>>>> - Maximum altitude: 10,000 feet >>>>> >>>>> ??? What components in a computer are altitude sensitive? >>>> >>>> We've been told that the thinner air doesnt have the same cooling >>>> effectiveness so it will likely casue overheating even when the >>>> fan blows >>>> on full. >>> >>> The less dense the air is, the less number of "air" molecules, >>> therefore the less amount of matter available to carry away heat >>> via kinetic energy. >> >> I don't buy that argument at all. It's much more likely to be >> something like the reduced air pressure increases the chances that >> the r/w heads on the hard disk will 'crash' to the disc surface, as >> someone else mentioned. >> >> However, in an imac, there could easily be other components that are >> altitude sensitive (the bulb for the LCD perhaps?); so it's hard to >> guess. >> >> I do note that Maxtor hard drives list a maximum altitude of 3048 >> meters, which must be just about exactly 10,000 feet. >> >> My Seagate has a non-operating max altitude of 12,000 meters, but >> that is NON-operating. >> >> -- >> "There will always be women in rubber flirting with me." >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> MacOSX-talk mailing list >> MacOSX-talk@omnigroup.com >> http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-talk >> > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-talk mailing list > MacOSX-talk@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-talk From bentley at crenelle.com Thu Sep 6 08:30:54 2007 From: bentley at crenelle.com (Michael Brian Bentley) Date: Thu Sep 6 13:24:35 2007 Subject: iPhone rebates In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: 14 days. I'd follow up with the place of purchase for the rebate. From pelorus at mac.com Thu Sep 6 13:26:49 2007 From: pelorus at mac.com (Matt Johnston) Date: Thu Sep 6 13:26:54 2007 Subject: No Mail app on iPod Touch? In-Reply-To: <0A5B92FA-6CA6-42BB-B5DE-91A969544FBE@kreme.com> References: <4F675049-380E-4038-9D14-FC52C1AB8965@mac.com> <64034.202.139.159.71.1189044754.squirrel@bigbird.logicsquad.net> <767563CD-4932-4B35-AFFC-89604B69FD6A@objectwerks.com> <51016.202.139.159.71.1189057521.squirrel@bigbird.logicsquad.net> <293e03f00709052259m6fab1907l8ffa45e02cdf5af5@mail.gmail.com> <42914AEB-BF43-459B-8AF0-157EC38D2783@objectwerks.com> <0A5B92FA-6CA6-42BB-B5DE-91A969544FBE@kreme.com> Message-ID: On 6 Sep 2007, at 20:14, LuKreme wrote: > The touchpod covers about 80% of what I need a laptop for. if it > had mail, it would be 95%. The other 5% I can work around (for > example, with webmin) I'm waiting for an iPhone because of: 1. No google earth 2. No Mail (WTF) 3. No bluetooth (for attachment to a phone for when you're not near open wifi) M From aglee at mac.com Thu Sep 6 13:34:04 2007 From: aglee at mac.com (Andy Lee) Date: Thu Sep 6 13:34:19 2007 Subject: Altitude? In-Reply-To: References: <969B7AA1-F555-4466-8F6E-28900068619F@birdhouse.org> <20070906064044.GI17723@core-age.local> Message-ID: <30294196-6C34-4CFD-ABAC-DD19BB10B0A1@mac.com> On Sep 6, 2007, at 3:11 PM, LuKreme wrote: > I do note that Maxtor hard drives list a maximum altitude of 3048 > meters, which must be just about exactly 10,000 feet. Yup, I entered "3048 meters in feet" in Google and it did the calculator thing. Neat how that works. --Andy From scott at cocoadoc.com Thu Sep 6 15:55:17 2007 From: scott at cocoadoc.com (Scott Anguish) Date: Thu Sep 6 15:57:44 2007 Subject: No Mail app on iPod Touch? In-Reply-To: <903F347C-3151-472A-95A6-7F968275591F@bloomington.in.us> References: <4F675049-380E-4038-9D14-FC52C1AB8965@mac.com> <64034.202.139.159.71.1189044754.squirrel@bigbird.logicsquad.net> <767563CD-4932-4B35-AFFC-89604B69FD6A@objectwerks.com> <903F347C-3151-472A-95A6-7F968275591F@bloomington.in.us> Message-ID: On Sep 6, 2007, at 3:24 PM, Jim Witte wrote: > Maybe Apple's afraid that if they put too many things on the iPod > Touch, it might cut into iPhone sales. Maybe.. but a high-end iPod touch is the same price as the phone. From chad at objectwerks.com Thu Sep 6 19:24:01 2007 From: chad at objectwerks.com (Chad Leigh) Date: Thu Sep 6 19:24:06 2007 Subject: No Mail app on iPod Touch? In-Reply-To: <903F347C-3151-472A-95A6-7F968275591F@bloomington.in.us> References: <4F675049-380E-4038-9D14-FC52C1AB8965@mac.com> <64034.202.139.159.71.1189044754.squirrel@bigbird.logicsquad.net> <767563CD-4932-4B35-AFFC-89604B69FD6A@objectwerks.com> <903F347C-3151-472A-95A6-7F968275591F@bloomington.in.us> Message-ID: On Sep 6, 2007, at 1:24 PM, Jim Witte wrote: >>>> On Thu, September 6, 2007 11:33 am, Ashley Aitken said: >>>>> Why no Mail app on iPod Touch? >>>> It's an iPod. > > Maybe Apple's afraid that if they put too many things on the iPod > Touch, it might cut into iPhone sales. As for "just get an iPhone" > - the iPhone requires a contract - until someone comes up with a > reliable way to enable it without one (meaning can't be patched > over in half an hour by Apple in a software update). Does the use 999-99-9999 for your SSN in the activation sign up no longer fail over to a month to month deal? Month to month means you can quit Chad From list-omnigroup at fsck.net Fri Sep 7 09:52:18 2007 From: list-omnigroup at fsck.net (Eugene) Date: Fri Sep 7 09:51:42 2007 Subject: Altitude? In-Reply-To: References: <969B7AA1-F555-4466-8F6E-28900068619F@birdhouse.org> <20070906064044.GI17723@core-age.local> Message-ID: <20070907165218.GJ17723@core-age.local> On Thu, Sep 06, 2007 at 02:11:33PM CDT, LuKreme wrote: > On 6-Sep-2007, at 00:40, Eugene wrote: >> On Tue, Sep 04, 2007 at 08:50:12PM CDT, R.L. Grigg wrote: >>> On Sep 4, 2007, at 6:43 PM, Hacker Scot wrote: >>>> >>>> - Maximum altitude: 10,000 feet >>>> >>>> ??? What components in a computer are altitude sensitive? >>> >>> We've been told that the thinner air doesnt have the same cooling >>> effectiveness so it will likely casue overheating even when the fan blows >>> on full. >> >> The less dense the air is, the less number of "air" molecules, >> therefore the less amount of matter available to carry away heat >> via kinetic energy. > > I don't buy that argument at all. It's much more likely to be something > like the reduced air pressure increases the chances that the r/w heads on > the hard disk will 'crash' to the disc surface, as someone else mentioned. There are two different threads going on here. One is about external fans cooling a hard drive, which my comments are directed towards. The other is regarding the Bernoulli effect that recording heads use to float over the platters. Since the distance of the head to the platter surface is related to the atmospheric pressure, hard drives operating at higher altitudes will see their heads get closer to the platters' surfaces, which means the chances for a crash increases. To work in high-altitude environments, special hard drives must be constructed so that the disks are specially pressurized and sealed. -- Eugene http://www.coxar.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/ From aglee at mac.com Thu Sep 6 13:45:40 2007 From: aglee at mac.com (Andy Lee) Date: Fri Sep 7 11:05:31 2007 Subject: iPhone rebates In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0BD6AD02-D26C-47E2-A230-1B265C9AF3CC@mac.com> On Sep 6, 2007, at 11:30 AM, Michael Brian Bentley wrote: > 14 days. I'd follow up with the place of purchase for the rebate. There's this: $100 purchase credit for *all* iPhone purchasers, except those who get the 14-day $200 adjustment, of course. Details to be announced next week. Steve says "every iPhone customer," but I wonder if he meant 8GB customers only -- isn't that the only model that got the price reduction? --Andy From shawnce at gmail.com Thu Sep 6 14:03:32 2007 From: shawnce at gmail.com (Shawn Erickson) Date: Fri Sep 7 11:05:32 2007 Subject: iPhone rebates In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 9/6/07, Michael Brian Bentley wrote: > 14 days. I'd follow up with the place of purchase for the rebate. Review... From jswitte at bloomington.in.us Fri Sep 7 12:43:43 2007 From: jswitte at bloomington.in.us (Jim Witte) Date: Fri Sep 7 12:43:52 2007 Subject: No Mail app on iPod Touch? In-Reply-To: References: <4F675049-380E-4038-9D14-FC52C1AB8965@mac.com> <64034.202.139.159.71.1189044754.squirrel@bigbird.logicsquad.net> <767563CD-4932-4B35-AFFC-89604B69FD6A@objectwerks.com> <51016.202.139.159.71.1189057521.squirrel@bigbird.logicsquad.net> <293e03f00709052259m6fab1907l8ffa45e02cdf5af5@mail.gmail.com> <42914AEB-BF43-459B-8AF0-157EC38D2783@objectwerks.com> <0A5B92FA-6CA6-42BB-B5DE-91A969544FBE@kreme.com> Message-ID: <38463506-90E5-4063-BBE0-C83F349F933B@bloomington.in.us> On Sep 6, 2007, at 4:26 PM, Matt Johnston wrote: > I'm waiting for an iPhone because of: > 3. No bluetooth (for attachment to a phone for when you're not near > open wifi) WTF? No Bluetooth on Ipod Touch? The obvious reason for inclusion here is for bluetooth audio. Jim From kremels at kreme.com Fri Sep 7 14:43:00 2007 From: kremels at kreme.com (LuKreme) Date: Fri Sep 7 15:27:55 2007 Subject: iPhone rebates In-Reply-To: <0BD6AD02-D26C-47E2-A230-1B265C9AF3CC@mac.com> References: <0BD6AD02-D26C-47E2-A230-1B265C9AF3CC@mac.com> Message-ID: <0848F7D0-B19E-4747-927E-7C04C884E28D@kreme.com> On 6-Sep-2007, at 14:45, Andy Lee wrote: > $100 purchase credit for *all* iPhone purchasers, except those who > get the 14-day $200 adjustment, of course. Details to be announced > next week. Steve says "every iPhone customer," but I wonder if he > meant 8GB customers only -- isn't that the only model that got the > price reduction? Well, there is no 4GB model now, so that's ONE way to look at it. Still, he said EVERY and I think he means EVERY. It would be a PR disaster if they said "Oh, no, we only meant the EVERY to apply to 8GB purchasers." -- Hey, baby, I've got just the cure for that penis envy back at my apartment... From finlay.dobbie at gmail.com Sat Sep 8 03:44:30 2007 From: finlay.dobbie at gmail.com (Finlay Dobbie) Date: Sat Sep 8 03:44:34 2007 Subject: No Mail app on iPod Touch? In-Reply-To: <38463506-90E5-4063-BBE0-C83F349F933B@bloomington.in.us> References: <4F675049-380E-4038-9D14-FC52C1AB8965@mac.com> <64034.202.139.159.71.1189044754.squirrel@bigbird.logicsquad.net> <767563CD-4932-4B35-AFFC-89604B69FD6A@objectwerks.com> <51016.202.139.159.71.1189057521.squirrel@bigbird.logicsquad.net> <293e03f00709052259m6fab1907l8ffa45e02cdf5af5@mail.gmail.com> <42914AEB-BF43-459B-8AF0-157EC38D2783@objectwerks.com> <0A5B92FA-6CA6-42BB-B5DE-91A969544FBE@kreme.com> <38463506-90E5-4063-BBE0-C83F349F933B@bloomington.in.us> Message-ID: On 07/09/2007, Jim Witte wrote: > > On Sep 6, 2007, at 4:26 PM, Matt Johnston wrote: > > I'm waiting for an iPhone because of: > > 3. No bluetooth (for attachment to a phone for when you're not near > > open wifi) > > WTF? No Bluetooth on Ipod Touch? The obvious reason for > inclusion here is for bluetooth audio. The iPhone doesn't have A2DP AFAIK... -- Finlay From kcall at mac.com Sat Sep 8 13:25:16 2007 From: kcall at mac.com (Kevin Callahan) Date: Sat Sep 8 13:25:11 2007 Subject: iTunes 7.4.1 and iToner Message-ID: Does anybody know if iTunes 7.4.1 breaks iToner? I was just about to try iToner and noticed an alert for 7.4.1 K http://www.kevincallahan.org/ http://www.kevincallahan.org/software/accessorizer.html http://www.xeniamara.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /mailman/archive/macosx-talk/attachments/20070908/0d5dd02e/attachment.html From mjwise at kapu.net Sat Sep 8 14:39:34 2007 From: mjwise at kapu.net (Michael J Wise) Date: Sat Sep 8 14:59:05 2007 Subject: iTunes 7.4.1 and iToner In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2CB5263E-CC9C-4D5C-A707-73EF239A41F3@kapu.net> On Sep 8, 2007, at 10:25 AM, Kevin Callahan wrote: > Does anybody know if iTunes 7.4.1 breaks iToner? Apparently yes, but ... there appears to be a work-around: Aloha mai Nai`a! -- "Please have your Internet License and Usenet Registration handy..." From jswitte at bloomington.in.us Sat Sep 8 15:10:55 2007 From: jswitte at bloomington.in.us (Jim Witte) Date: Sat Sep 8 15:11:03 2007 Subject: Q: Anyone else's Mail not checking IMAP and POP at the same time? Message-ID: <38339E8C-82A4-437F-8B2D-DDC97EA85206@bloomington.in.us> Hi, I've got an IMAP and a POP address set up in Mail, and when Mail starts up (it checks on startup), or when I first tell it to check manually, it seems to only check the IMAP. Then if I tell it to check again, it will still check IMAP (and find nothing to sync), but then it will find and download messages off the POP server. Does anyone else have this strange behavior? Is it something about the order of the servers in the Mail preference pane list (I just reversed it, and seems to work now) Jim From kcall at mac.com Sat Sep 8 15:07:31 2007 From: kcall at mac.com (Kevin Callahan) Date: Sat Sep 8 15:12:28 2007 Subject: iTunes 7.4.1 and iToner In-Reply-To: <2CB5263E-CC9C-4D5C-A707-73EF239A41F3@kapu.net> References: <2CB5263E-CC9C-4D5C-A707-73EF239A41F3@kapu.net> Message-ID: On Sep 8, 2007, at 2:39 PM, Michael J Wise wrote: > On Sep 8, 2007, at 10:25 AM, Kevin Callahan wrote: > >> Does anybody know if iTunes 7.4.1 breaks iToner? > > Apparently yes, but ... there appears to be a work-around: so this will be a regular thing ? > > rename-workaround-discovered/> > > Aloha mai Nai`a! > -- > "Please have your Internet License ~mjwise/> > and Usenet Registration handy..." > > > > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-talk mailing list > MacOSX-talk@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-talk From kcall at mac.com Sat Sep 8 15:16:07 2007 From: kcall at mac.com (Kevin Callahan) Date: Sat Sep 8 15:16:02 2007 Subject: iTunes 7.4.1 and iToner In-Reply-To: <2CB5263E-CC9C-4D5C-A707-73EF239A41F3@kapu.net> References: <2CB5263E-CC9C-4D5C-A707-73EF239A41F3@kapu.net> Message-ID: <57835BF4-363C-423C-A887-91137187553A@mac.com> On Sep 8, 2007, at 2:39 PM, Michael J Wise wrote: > On Sep 8, 2007, at 10:25 AM, Kevin Callahan wrote: > >> Does anybody know if iTunes 7.4.1 breaks iToner? > > Apparently yes, but ... there appears to be a work-around: > > rename-workaround-discovered/> Analysis. We believe that Copyright Owners? arguments are inconsistent with the law and ignore common uses of music by individuals. The controlling language here is ?for private use.? It is undisputed that the term is directed at individual consumers who use music for personal enjoyment. However, Copyright Owners seem to suggest that once an individual takes the music out of the home, the statutory provision becomes null and void.131 This cannot be what Congress intended. Here, we note that traditional phonorecords are used in public (e.g., in boom boxes in public parks, in a car stereo while the automobile is driving down the street, etc.), but that does not disqualify them from the statutory license by violating their primary purpose of being for private use. While it may be true that some mobile phone users purchase ringtones to identify themselves in public, this use most likely would not be considered a public use as Congress intended that term to be understood in the Section 115 context, and in any event, there is no basis to conclude that the primary purpose of the ringtone distributor is to distribute the ringtone for ?public?use. The legislative history accompanying Section 115(a)(1) does not contradict this conclusion. In fact, it clarifies that ?the purpose of the compulsory license does not extend to manufacturers of phonorecords that are intended primarily for commercial use, including not only broadcasters and jukebox operators but also background music services.?132 Section 115 does not, however, impose any limitations on the use of a phonorecord once it is purchased by the consumer. As such, Section 115(a)(1) is not a bar to the inclusion of ringtones under the statutory license. > Analysis. We find that RIAA?s reading of the statute is a reasonable one. The issue arises only if a particular ringtone qualifies as a derivative work due to the presence of copyrightable derivative work authorship in the ringtone. If, as we expect will usually be the case, the ringtone is not a derivative work, there will be no reason to reach this issue; the ringtone will be within the scope of the Section 115 license for the reasons stated above. However, if a particular ringtone, released with the permission of the copyright owner of the underlying musical work, does constitute a derivative work, then once that derivative work has been distributed under the authority of the copyright owner, anyone else may, by complying with the formal requirements of Section 115, obtain a compulsory license to make and distribute copies of that derivative work. Analysis. We believe that Section 115's general requirements are applicable to all types of ringtones (monophonic, polyphonic, or mastertone). This applies to mastertones that are simple excerpts of the underlying musical work, ringtones (monophonic, polyphonic, and mastertones) that are not adjudged to be derivative works, and those ringtones that do not change the basic melody or fundamental character of the work. For newly created ringtones that have not been distributed to the public, and that fall outside the scope of the statute because they are derivative works or for any other reason outlined above, the Section 115 provisions do not apply. A commercial license is required to make and distribute those types of ringtones. There will, of course, be some instances where the status of a ringtone (monophonic, polyphonic, and mastertones) for Section 115 purposes is unclear. A judicial determination would be required where such mixed question of fact and law are present. While we cannot delineate a litmus test that will in every case determine specifically whether a particular ringtone is or is not within the scope of the statutory license, the guidance offered above is sufficient for purposes of this proceeding. In general, a ringtone will fall within the scope of the compulsory license unless it has so altered the musical composition as to constitute a derivative work. Simply excerpting a single portion of a licensed sound recording of a musical composition will not constitute the making of a derivative work. It is clear that many, but not all, ringtones will fall within the scope of the Section 115 license. Therefore, it is appropriate for the Copyright Royalty Judges to determine royalties to be payable for the making and distribution of ringtones under the compulsory license. October 16, 2006 > Aloha mai Nai`a! > -- > "Please have your Internet License ~mjwise/> > and Usenet Registration handy..." > > > > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-talk mailing list > MacOSX-talk@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-talk http://www.kevincallahan.org/ http://www.kevincallahan.org/software/accessorizer.html http://www.xeniamara.com/ From kremels at kreme.com Sat Sep 8 15:32:20 2007 From: kremels at kreme.com (LuKreme) Date: Sat Sep 8 15:32:35 2007 Subject: iTunes 7.4.1 and iToner In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <56031C86-CE17-47F1-A522-ED5859C52089@kreme.com> On 8-Sep-2007, at 14:25, Kevin Callahan wrote: > Does anybody know if iTunes 7.4.1 breaks iToner? Sorta. I overwrites any user uploaded ringtones everytime you sync. -- A: You can never go too far. B: If I'm gonna get busted, it is *not* gonna be by a guy like *that*. From kcall at mac.com Sat Sep 8 15:33:23 2007 From: kcall at mac.com (Kevin Callahan) Date: Sat Sep 8 15:33:18 2007 Subject: iTunes 7.4.1 and iToner In-Reply-To: <57835BF4-363C-423C-A887-91137187553A@mac.com> References: <2CB5263E-CC9C-4D5C-A707-73EF239A41F3@kapu.net> <57835BF4-363C-423C-A887-91137187553A@mac.com> Message-ID: more on ringtones copyright decision: On Sep 8, 2007, at 3:16 PM, Kevin Callahan wrote: > > On Sep 8, 2007, at 2:39 PM, Michael J Wise wrote: > >> On Sep 8, 2007, at 10:25 AM, Kevin Callahan wrote: >> >>> Does anybody know if iTunes 7.4.1 breaks iToner? >> >> Apparently yes, but ... there appears to be a work-around: >> >> > rename-workaround-discovered/> > > > > > > Analysis. We believe that Copyright Owners? arguments are > inconsistent with the law and > ignore common uses of music by individuals. The controlling > language here is ?for private use.? > It is undisputed that the term is directed at individual consumers > who use music for personal > enjoyment. However, Copyright Owners seem to suggest that once an > individual takes the music > out of the home, the statutory provision becomes null and void.131 > This cannot be what Congress > intended. Here, we note that traditional phonorecords are used in > public (e.g., in boom boxes in > public parks, in a car stereo while the automobile is driving down > the street, etc.), but that does > not disqualify them from the statutory license by violating their > primary purpose of being for > private use. While it may be true that some mobile phone users > purchase ringtones to identify > themselves in public, this use most likely would not be considered > a public use as Congress > intended that term to be understood in the Section 115 context, and > in any event, there is no basis > to conclude that the primary purpose of the ringtone distributor is > to distribute the ringtone for > ?public?use. The legislative history accompanying Section 115(a) > (1) does not contradict this > conclusion. In fact, it clarifies that ?the purpose of the > compulsory license does not extend to > manufacturers of phonorecords that are intended primarily for > commercial use, including not only > broadcasters and jukebox operators but also background music > services.?132 Section 115 does not, > however, impose any limitations on the use of a phonorecord once it > is purchased by the > consumer. As such, Section 115(a)(1) is not a bar to the inclusion > of ringtones under the statutory > license. >> > > Analysis. We find that RIAA?s reading of the statute is a > reasonable one. The issue arises > only if a particular ringtone qualifies as a derivative work due to > the presence of copyrightable > derivative work authorship in the ringtone. If, as we expect will > usually be the case, the ringtone > is not a derivative work, there will be no reason to reach this > issue; the ringtone will be within the > scope of the Section 115 license for the reasons stated above. > However, if a particular ringtone, > released with the permission of the copyright owner of the > underlying musical work, does > constitute a derivative work, then once that derivative work has > been distributed under the > authority of the copyright owner, anyone else may, by complying > with the formal requirements of > Section 115, obtain a compulsory license to make and distribute > copies of that derivative work. > > > Analysis. We believe that Section 115's general requirements are > applicable to all types > of ringtones (monophonic, polyphonic, or mastertone). This applies > to mastertones that are > simple excerpts of the underlying musical work, ringtones > (monophonic, polyphonic, and > mastertones) that are not adjudged to be derivative works, and > those ringtones that do not change > the basic melody or fundamental character of the work. For newly > created ringtones that have not > been distributed to the public, and that fall outside the scope of > the statute because they are > derivative works or for any other reason outlined above, the > Section 115 provisions do not apply. > A commercial license is required to make and distribute those types > of ringtones. There will, of > course, be some instances where the status of a ringtone > (monophonic, polyphonic, and > mastertones) for Section 115 purposes is unclear. A judicial > determination would be required > where such mixed question of fact and law are present. > While we cannot delineate a litmus test that will in every case > determine specifically > whether a particular ringtone is or is not within the scope of the > statutory license, the guidance > offered above is sufficient for purposes of this proceeding. In > general, a ringtone will fall within > the scope of the compulsory license unless it has so altered the > musical composition as to > constitute a derivative work. Simply excerpting a single portion > of a licensed sound recording of > a musical composition will not constitute the making of a > derivative work. It is clear that many, > but not all, ringtones will fall within the scope of the Section > 115 license. Therefore, it is > appropriate for the Copyright Royalty Judges to determine royalties > to be payable for the making > and distribution of ringtones under the compulsory license. > October 16, 2006 > > >> Aloha mai Nai`a! >> -- >> "Please have your Internet License > ~mjwise/> >> and Usenet Registration handy..." >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> MacOSX-talk mailing list >> MacOSX-talk@omnigroup.com >> http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-talk > > > http://www.kevincallahan.org/ > http://www.kevincallahan.org/software/accessorizer.html > http://www.xeniamara.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-talk mailing list > MacOSX-talk@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-talk http://www.kevincallahan.org/ http://www.kevincallahan.org/software/accessorizer.html http://www.xeniamara.com/ From kcall at mac.com Sat Sep 8 16:04:37 2007 From: kcall at mac.com (Kevin Callahan) Date: Sat Sep 8 16:04:32 2007 Subject: iTunes 7.4.1 and iToner In-Reply-To: <2CB5263E-CC9C-4D5C-A707-73EF239A41F3@kapu.net> References: <2CB5263E-CC9C-4D5C-A707-73EF239A41F3@kapu.net> Message-ID: <4CA1FAEB-4075-4FF8-BABE-4D36A2A576BF@mac.com> On Sep 8, 2007, at 2:39 PM, Michael J Wise wrote: > On Sep 8, 2007, at 10:25 AM, Kevin Callahan wrote: > >> Does anybody know if iTunes 7.4.1 breaks iToner? > > Apparently yes, but ... there appears to be a work-around: > > rename-workaround-discovered/> > If people want to fire up GarageBand and create their own ringtones (and distribute them) ... ie: their own compositions, how does one get these ringtones on their iPhones with Apple tools and approval? Does the iTunes Ringtones Editor allow you to edit material other than that dictated as "approved" by Apple/iTMS ? "Can I use my iTunes songs as ringtones?" "No." From kremels at kreme.com Sat Sep 8 17:00:47 2007 From: kremels at kreme.com (LuKreme) Date: Sat Sep 8 17:00:59 2007 Subject: Q: Anyone else's Mail not checking IMAP and POP at the same time? In-Reply-To: <38339E8C-82A4-437F-8B2D-DDC97EA85206@bloomington.in.us> References: <38339E8C-82A4-437F-8B2D-DDC97EA85206@bloomington.in.us> Message-ID: On 8-Sep-2007, at 16:10, Jim Witte wrote: > I've got an IMAP and a POP address set up in Mail, and when Mail > starts up (it checks on startup), or when I first tell it to check > manually, it seems to only check the IMAP. Then if I tell it to > check again, it will still check IMAP (and find nothing to sync), > but then it will find and download messages off the POP server. I can't say I've noticed that, but I will try and pay attention to the activity window next time I startup mail. That might be a few days... I rarely, if ever, quit the application. -- One by one the bulbs burned out, like long lives come to their expected ends. From kremels at kreme.com Sat Sep 8 17:24:34 2007 From: kremels at kreme.com (LuKreme) Date: Sat Sep 8 17:24:47 2007 Subject: iTunes 7.4.1 and iToner In-Reply-To: <4CA1FAEB-4075-4FF8-BABE-4D36A2A576BF@mac.com> References: <2CB5263E-CC9C-4D5C-A707-73EF239A41F3@kapu.net> <4CA1FAEB-4075-4FF8-BABE-4D36A2A576BF@mac.com> Message-ID: <45E8A6A8-8A4A-4DBF-B25F-1882B69A4041@kreme.com> On 8-Sep-2007, at 17:04, Kevin Callahan wrote: > If people want to fire up GarageBand and create their own ringtones > (and distribute them) ... ie: their own compositions, how does one > get these ringtones on their iPhones with Apple tools and approval? One doesn't. > Does the iTunes Ringtones Editor allow you to edit material other > than that dictated as "approved" by Apple/iTMS ? Well, see, the trouble is that there are only the 8 notes, and they're all owned. So no, you can't do that because the only people who would ever do that are loathsome pirate scum who eat babies and make puppies cry. Oh, and support the terrorists. This is not Apple's fault though, it's the Content Cartel scum. -- Bishops move diagonally. That's why they often turn up where the kings don't expect them to be. From kcall at mac.com Sat Sep 8 17:29:47 2007 From: kcall at mac.com (Kevin Callahan) Date: Sat Sep 8 17:30:03 2007 Subject: iTunes 7.4.1 and iToner In-Reply-To: <45E8A6A8-8A4A-4DBF-B25F-1882B69A4041@kreme.com> References: <2CB5263E-CC9C-4D5C-A707-73EF239A41F3@kapu.net> <4CA1FAEB-4075-4FF8-BABE-4D36A2A576BF@mac.com> <45E8A6A8-8A4A-4DBF-B25F-1882B69A4041@kreme.com> Message-ID: <0984341C-7AB0-4702-9794-A5CE74CEFD89@mac.com> On Sep 8, 2007, at 5:24 PM, LuKreme wrote: > On 8-Sep-2007, at 17:04, Kevin Callahan wrote: >> If people want to fire up GarageBand and create their own >> ringtones (and distribute them) ... ie: their own compositions, >> how does one get these ringtones on their iPhones with Apple tools >> and approval? > > One doesn't. > >> Does the iTunes Ringtones Editor allow you to edit material >> other than that dictated as "approved" by Apple/iTMS ? > > Well, see, the trouble is that there are only the 8 notes, and > they're all owned. So no, you can't do that because the only > people who would ever do that are loathsome pirate scum who eat > babies and make puppies cry. Oh, and support the terrorists. > > This is not Apple's fault though, it's the Content Cartel scum. Apple gives us GarageBand and prides itself on giving us tools to create music. We should be able to create our own ringtones for the iPhone .. I've RADAR'd the future bug. K > > -- > Bishops move diagonally. That's why they often turn up where the > kings don't expect them to be. > > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-talk mailing list > MacOSX-talk@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-talk http://www.kevincallahan.org/ http://www.kevincallahan.org/software/accessorizer.html http://www.xeniamara.com/ From shawnce at gmail.com Sat Sep 8 19:07:23 2007 From: shawnce at gmail.com (Shawn Erickson) Date: Sat Sep 8 19:07:53 2007 Subject: iTunes 7.4.1 and iToner In-Reply-To: <0984341C-7AB0-4702-9794-A5CE74CEFD89@mac.com> References: <2CB5263E-CC9C-4D5C-A707-73EF239A41F3@kapu.net> <4CA1FAEB-4075-4FF8-BABE-4D36A2A576BF@mac.com> <45E8A6A8-8A4A-4DBF-B25F-1882B69A4041@kreme.com> <0984341C-7AB0-4702-9794-A5CE74CEFD89@mac.com> Message-ID: On Sep 8, 2007, at 5:29 PM, Kevin Callahan wrote: > > On Sep 8, 2007, at 5:24 PM, LuKreme wrote: > >> On 8-Sep-2007, at 17:04, Kevin Callahan wrote: >>> If people want to fire up GarageBand and create their own >>> ringtones (and distribute them) ... ie: their own compositions, >>> how does one get these ringtones on their iPhones with Apple >>> tools and approval? >> >> One doesn't. >> >>> Does the iTunes Ringtones Editor allow you to edit material >>> other than that dictated as "approved" by Apple/iTMS ? >> >> Well, see, the trouble is that there are only the 8 notes, and >> they're all owned. So no, you can't do that because the only >> people who would ever do that are loathsome pirate scum who eat >> babies and make puppies cry. Oh, and support the terrorists. >> >> This is not Apple's fault though, it's the Content Cartel scum. > > Apple gives us GarageBand and prides itself on giving us tools to > create music. We should be able to create our own ringtones for > the iPhone .. > > I've RADAR'd the future bug. Don't abuse RADAR.... submit feeback to Apple via public feedback channels. -Shawn From kcall at mac.com Sat Sep 8 19:34:15 2007 From: kcall at mac.com (Kevin Callahan) Date: Sat Sep 8 19:34:22 2007 Subject: iTunes 7.4.1 and iToner In-Reply-To: References: <2CB5263E-CC9C-4D5C-A707-73EF239A41F3@kapu.net> <4CA1FAEB-4075-4FF8-BABE-4D36A2A576BF@mac.com> <45E8A6A8-8A4A-4DBF-B25F-1882B69A4041@kreme.com> <0984341C-7AB0-4702-9794-A5CE74CEFD89@mac.com> Message-ID: <45529907-0378-4EBF-8455-83F7B2B6A7C0@mac.com> On Sep 8, 2007, at 7:07 PM, Shawn Erickson wrote: > > On Sep 8, 2007, at 5:29 PM, Kevin Callahan wrote: > >> >> On Sep 8, 2007, at 5:24 PM, LuKreme wrote: >> >>> On 8-Sep-2007, at 17:04, Kevin Callahan wrote: >>>> If people want to fire up GarageBand and create their own >>>> ringtones (and distribute them) ... ie: their own compositions, >>>> how does one get these ringtones on their iPhones with Apple >>>> tools and approval? >>> >>> One doesn't. >>> >>>> Does the iTunes Ringtones Editor allow you to edit material >>>> other than that dictated as "approved" by Apple/iTMS ? >>> >>> Well, see, the trouble is that there are only the 8 notes, and >>> they're all owned. So no, you can't do that because the only >>> people who would ever do that are loathsome pirate scum who eat >>> babies and make puppies cry. Oh, and support the terrorists. >>> >>> This is not Apple's fault though, it's the Content Cartel scum. >> >> Apple gives us GarageBand and prides itself on giving us tools to >> create music. We should be able to create our own ringtones for >> the iPhone .. >> >> I've RADAR'd the future bug. > > Don't abuse RADAR.... submit feeback to Apple via public feedback > channels. > > -Shawn First, I don't think this is abuse. Secondly, it's been said that Apple pays attention to Radar and that it is the vehicle if you want them to listen. I also send stuff to feedback, btw. I try to make sure I categorize feature requests as such. There's a popup button on RADAR for feature request. Isn't that what it's for? or ? K From kcall at mac.com Sun Sep 9 08:37:55 2007 From: kcall at mac.com (Kevin Callahan) Date: Sun Sep 9 08:38:00 2007 Subject: iTunes 7.4.1 and iToner In-Reply-To: References: <2CB5263E-CC9C-4D5C-A707-73EF239A41F3@kapu.net> <4CA1FAEB-4075-4FF8-BABE-4D36A2A576BF@mac.com> <45E8A6A8-8A4A-4DBF-B25F-1882B69A4041@kreme.com> <0984341C-7AB0-4702-9794-A5CE74CEFD89@mac.com> Message-ID: On Sep 9, 2007, at 7:27 AM, Shawn Erickson wrote: > > On Sep 9, 2007, at 2:45 AM, Finlay Dobbie wrote: > >> On 09/09/2007, Shawn Erickson wrote: >>>> I've RADAR'd the future bug. >>> >>> Don't abuse RADAR.... submit feeback to Apple via public feedback >>> channels. >> >> Radar is a public feedback channel. > > Intended for developer issues more then anything else. Radars incur > DTS folks looking at things, etc. taking time away from dealing > with developer issues. > > -Shawn I totally agree with you - RADAR shouldn't be abused. But, as you may know, when you post a "bug", you are required to classify the type of "bug" - such as security, performance, crashing, enhancement etc.. One of the options is "feature (new)". Given the new ringtones rollout lacks certain desired features such as the ability to create personal ringtones with apps such as GarageBand, I thought it be appropriate to post a new feature request to RADAR so that developers, who develop new features, might consider the new feature request. If you don't think new feature requests are appropriate for RADAR, then you should ask DTS to remove the new "feature" classification from the popup list. But I believe DTS put that option there for a reason. Kevin From shawnce at gmail.com Sun Sep 9 09:37:31 2007 From: shawnce at gmail.com (Shawn Erickson) Date: Sun Sep 9 09:38:07 2007 Subject: iTunes 7.4.1 and iToner In-Reply-To: References: <2CB5263E-CC9C-4D5C-A707-73EF239A41F3@kapu.net> <4CA1FAEB-4075-4FF8-BABE-4D36A2A576BF@mac.com> <45E8A6A8-8A4A-4DBF-B25F-1882B69A4041@kreme.com> <0984341C-7AB0-4702-9794-A5CE74CEFD89@mac.com> Message-ID: <7E299500-93C2-4B59-A88E-F0575E55D5A4@gmail.com> On Sep 9, 2007, at 8:37 AM, Kevin Callahan wrote: > > On Sep 9, 2007, at 7:27 AM, Shawn Erickson wrote: > >> >> On Sep 9, 2007, at 2:45 AM, Finlay Dobbie wrote: >> >>> On 09/09/2007, Shawn Erickson wrote: >>>>> I've RADAR'd the future bug. >>>> >>>> Don't abuse RADAR.... submit feeback to Apple via public feedback >>>> channels. >>> >>> Radar is a public feedback channel. >> >> Intended for developer issues more then anything else. Radars >> incur DTS folks looking at things, etc. taking time away from >> dealing with developer issues. >> >> -Shawn > > I totally agree with you - RADAR shouldn't be abused. But, as you > may know, when you post a "bug", you are required to classify the > type of "bug" - such as security, performance, crashing, > enhancement etc.. One of the options is "feature (new)". Given > the new ringtones rollout lacks certain desired features such as > the ability to create personal ringtones with apps such as > GarageBand, I thought it be appropriate to post a new feature > request to RADAR so that developers, who develop new features, > might consider the new feature request. > > If you don't think new feature requests are appropriate for RADAR, > then you should ask DTS to remove the new "feature" classification > from the popup list. But I believe DTS put that option there for a > reason. Again it is meant for developers to request features (new API, etc.) not for I wish iTunes did this from a users perspective. -Shawn From finlay.dobbie at gmail.com Sun Sep 9 09:58:43 2007 From: finlay.dobbie at gmail.com (Finlay Dobbie) Date: Sun Sep 9 09:58:48 2007 Subject: iTunes 7.4.1 and iToner In-Reply-To: <7E299500-93C2-4B59-A88E-F0575E55D5A4@gmail.com> References: <2CB5263E-CC9C-4D5C-A707-73EF239A41F3@kapu.net> <4CA1FAEB-4075-4FF8-BABE-4D36A2A576BF@mac.com> <45E8A6A8-8A4A-4DBF-B25F-1882B69A4041@kreme.com> <0984341C-7AB0-4702-9794-A5CE74CEFD89@mac.com> <7E299500-93C2-4B59-A88E-F0575E55D5A4@gmail.com> Message-ID: On 09/09/2007, Shawn Erickson wrote: > Again it is meant for developers to request features (new API, etc.) > not for I wish iTunes did this from a users perspective. Says who? -- Finlay From shawnce at gmail.com Sun Sep 9 10:12:16 2007 From: shawnce at gmail.com (Shawn Erickson) Date: Sun Sep 9 10:12:51 2007 Subject: iTunes 7.4.1 and iToner In-Reply-To: References: <2CB5263E-CC9C-4D5C-A707-73EF239A41F3@kapu.net> <4CA1FAEB-4075-4FF8-BABE-4D36A2A576BF@mac.com> <45E8A6A8-8A4A-4DBF-B25F-1882B69A4041@kreme.com> <0984341C-7AB0-4702-9794-A5CE74CEFD89@mac.com> <7E299500-93C2-4B59-A88E-F0575E55D5A4@gmail.com> Message-ID: <2E7178E5-44FE-4CAB-87E0-162E132C896D@gmail.com> On Sep 9, 2007, at 9:58 AM, Finlay Dobbie wrote: > On 09/09/2007, Shawn Erickson wrote: >> Again it is meant for developers to request features (new API, etc.) >> not for I wish iTunes did this from a users perspective. > > Says who? The point is don't abuse it. Simple feedback shouldn't waste DTS folks. From kcall at mac.com Sun Sep 9 10:36:55 2007 From: kcall at mac.com (Kevin Callahan) Date: Sun Sep 9 10:37:00 2007 Subject: iTunes 7.4.1 and iToner In-Reply-To: <7E299500-93C2-4B59-A88E-F0575E55D5A4@gmail.com> References: <2CB5263E-CC9C-4D5C-A707-73EF239A41F3@kapu.net> <4CA1FAEB-4075-4FF8-BABE-4D36A2A576BF@mac.com> <45E8A6A8-8A4A-4DBF-B25F-1882B69A4041@kreme.com> <0984341C-7AB0-4702-9794-A5CE74CEFD89@mac.com> <7E299500-93C2-4B59-A88E-F0575E55D5A4@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sep 9, 2007, at 9:37 AM, Shawn Erickson wrote: >> >> I totally agree with you - RADAR shouldn't be abused. But, as you >> may know, when you post a "bug", you are required to classify the >> type of "bug" - such as security, performance, crashing, >> enhancement etc.. One of the options is "feature (new)". Given >> the new ringtones rollout lacks certain desired features such as >> the ability to create personal ringtones with apps such as >> GarageBand, I thought it be appropriate to post a new feature >> request to RADAR so that developers, who develop new features, >> might consider the new feature request. >> >> If you don't think new feature requests are appropriate for RADAR, >> then you should ask DTS to remove the new "feature" classification >> from the popup list. But I believe DTS put that option there for a >> reason. > > Again it is meant for developers to request features (new API, > etc.) not for I wish iTunes did this from a users perspective. > > -Shawn > _______ okay In the past, I've posted numerous "feature" requests in a similar fashion and have gotten positive replies for suggestions. I didn't realize it was for APIs only. K From kcall at mac.com Sun Sep 9 10:38:47 2007 From: kcall at mac.com (Kevin Callahan) Date: Sun Sep 9 10:38:56 2007 Subject: iTunes 7.4.1 and iToner In-Reply-To: <2E7178E5-44FE-4CAB-87E0-162E132C896D@gmail.com> References: <2CB5263E-CC9C-4D5C-A707-73EF239A41F3@kapu.net> <4CA1FAEB-4075-4FF8-BABE-4D36A2A576BF@mac.com> <45E8A6A8-8A4A-4DBF-B25F-1882B69A4041@kreme.com> <0984341C-7AB0-4702-9794-A5CE74CEFD89@mac.com> <7E299500-93C2-4B59-A88E-F0575E55D5A4@gmail.com> <2E7178E5-44FE-4CAB-87E0-162E132C896D@gmail.com> Message-ID: <6DC6AE31-E9E4-4168-98CE-C49A8EDE1129@mac.com> On Sep 9, 2007, at 10:12 AM, Shawn Erickson wrote: > > On Sep 9, 2007, at 9:58 AM, Finlay Dobbie wrote: > >> On 09/09/2007, Shawn Erickson wrote: >>> Again it is meant for developers to request features (new API, etc.) >>> not for I wish iTunes did this from a users perspective. >> >> Says who? > > The point is don't abuse it. Simple feedback shouldn't waste DTS > folks. I understand that point... but unless I'm mistaken, there was talk some time back on these lists regarding feedback and it was suggested that people use RADAR if they want to be heard. I must have misunderstood that. From kcall at mac.com Sun Sep 9 10:44:24 2007 From: kcall at mac.com (Kevin Callahan) Date: Sun Sep 9 10:44:32 2007 Subject: iTunes 7.4.1 and iToner In-Reply-To: <2E7178E5-44FE-4CAB-87E0-162E132C896D@gmail.com> References: <2CB5263E-CC9C-4D5C-A707-73EF239A41F3@kapu.net> <4CA1FAEB-4075-4FF8-BABE-4D36A2A576BF@mac.com> <45E8A6A8-8A4A-4DBF-B25F-1882B69A4041@kreme.com> <0984341C-7AB0-4702-9794-A5CE74CEFD89@mac.com> <7E299500-93C2-4B59-A88E-F0575E55D5A4@gmail.com> <2E7178E5-44FE-4CAB-87E0-162E132C896D@gmail.com> Message-ID: <22DA08A3-DE79-4380-87EC-6120F573F082@mac.com> On Sep 9, 2007, at 10:12 AM, Shawn Erickson wrote: > > On Sep 9, 2007, at 9:58 AM, Finlay Dobbie wrote: > >> On 09/09/2007, Shawn Erickson wrote: >>> Again it is meant for developers to request features (new API, etc.) >>> not for I wish iTunes did this from a users perspective. >> >> Says who? > > The point is don't abuse it. Simple feedback shouldn't waste DTS > folks. > from the Bug Reporter "Best Practices" Feature (new): Request for a new feature Enhancement: Request for an enhancement to an existing feature. Where does it talk about API requests? ??? Kevin From finlay.dobbie at gmail.com Sun Sep 9 10:46:15 2007 From: finlay.dobbie at gmail.com (Finlay Dobbie) Date: Sun Sep 9 10:46:19 2007 Subject: iTunes 7.4.1 and iToner In-Reply-To: <2E7178E5-44FE-4CAB-87E0-162E132C896D@gmail.com> References: <45E8A6A8-8A4A-4DBF-B25F-1882B69A4041@kreme.com> <0984341C-7AB0-4702-9794-A5CE74CEFD89@mac.com> <7E299500-93C2-4B59-A88E-F0575E55D5A4@gmail.com> <2E7178E5-44FE-4CAB-87E0-162E132C896D@gmail.com> Message-ID: On 09/09/2007, Shawn Erickson wrote: > > On Sep 9, 2007, at 9:58 AM, Finlay Dobbie wrote: > > > On 09/09/2007, Shawn Erickson wrote: > >> Again it is meant for developers to request features (new API, etc.) > >> not for I wish iTunes did this from a users perspective. > > > > Says who? > > The point is don't abuse it. Simple feedback shouldn't waste DTS folks. I don't really follow your argument, nor have you provided any support for your claims. -- Finlay From macsrwe at macsrwe.com Sun Sep 9 12:46:07 2007 From: macsrwe at macsrwe.com (Macs R We) Date: Sun Sep 9 12:46:35 2007 Subject: Q: Anyone else's Mail not checking IMAP and POP In-Reply-To: <20070909190004.B7C911B2326@forums.omnigroup.com> References: <20070909190004.B7C911B2326@forums.omnigroup.com> Message-ID: On Sep 9, 2007, at 12:00 PM, macosx-talk-request@omnigroup.com wrote: > I've got an IMAP and a POP address set up in Mail, and when Mail > starts up (it checks on startup), or when I first tell it to check > manually, it seems to only check the IMAP. Then if I tell it to > check again, it will still check IMAP (and find nothing to sync), but > then it will find and download messages off the POP server. > > Does anyone else have this strange behavior? Is it something > about the order of the servers in the Mail preference pane list (I > just reversed it, and seems to work now) In the "Advanced" tab under Accounts there is this easily-overlooked checkbox that says "Include when automatically checking for new mail." It defaults to on, but I've found it unchecked a couple of times, and that gives symptoms similar to what you're describing. -- Macs R We -- Personal Macintosh Service and Support in the Wickenburg and far Northwest Valley Areas. http://macsrwe.com From kremels at kreme.com Sun Sep 9 16:02:27 2007 From: kremels at kreme.com (LuKreme) Date: Sun Sep 9 16:02:42 2007 Subject: iTunes 7.4.1 and iToner In-Reply-To: References: <2CB5263E-CC9C-4D5C-A707-73EF239A41F3@kapu.net> <4CA1FAEB-4075-4FF8-BABE-4D36A2A576BF@mac.com> <45E8A6A8-8A4A-4DBF-B25F-1882B69A4041@kreme.com> <0984341C-7AB0-4702-9794-A5CE74CEFD89@mac.com> <7E299500-93C2-4B59-A88E-F0575E55D5A4@gmail.com> Message-ID: <05792530-53A3-42A0-8112-9A22613F7056@kreme.com> On 9-Sep-2007, at 11:36, Kevin Callahan wrote: > In the past, I've posted numerous "feature" requests in a similar > fashion and have gotten positive replies for suggestions. > > I didn't realize it was for APIs only. It's not, it's for any feature requests. Shawn is projecting his opinion as fact, that's all. -- BILL: I can't get behind the Gods, who are more vengeful, angry, and dangerous if you don't believe in them! HENRY: Why can't all these Gods just get along? I mean, they're omnipotent and omnipresent, what's the problem? From shawnce at gmail.com Sun Sep 9 16:14:36 2007 From: shawnce at gmail.com (Shawn Erickson) Date: Sun Sep 9 16:15:04 2007 Subject: iTunes 7.4.1 and iToner In-Reply-To: <05792530-53A3-42A0-8112-9A22613F7056@kreme.com> References: <2CB5263E-CC9C-4D5C-A707-73EF239A41F3@kapu.net> <4CA1FAEB-4075-4FF8-BABE-4D36A2A576BF@mac.com> <45E8A6A8-8A4A-4DBF-B25F-1882B69A4041@kreme.com> <0984341C-7AB0-4702-9794-A5CE74CEFD89@mac.com> <7E299500-93C2-4B59-A88E-F0575E55D5A4@gmail.com> <05792530-53A3-42A0-8112-9A22613F7056@kreme.com> Message-ID: <1980238D-5294-4308-AA8F-EC61DEA0E420@gmail.com> On Sep 9, 2007, at 4:02 PM, LuKreme wrote: > On 9-Sep-2007, at 11:36, Kevin Callahan wrote: >> In the past, I've posted numerous "feature" requests in a similar >> fashion and have gotten positive replies for suggestions. >> >> I didn't realize it was for APIs only. > > It's not, it's for any feature requests. Shawn is projecting his > opinion as fact, that's all. Sorry folks took what I said as black & white and I didn't help that fact either. First I was replying purely in the context of "please let us make ringtone for the iPhone". ...and the point I am trying to make is to use a little common sense. Radar is primarily meant for developers to submit developer related issues. It also is useful to submit product bugs and feature requests. When you submit items someone from DTS must take a little time to manage the item. I don't think it makes much sense to file about something that obviously is a business decision and not a technical or "hey maybe they didn't think of that feature". I don't think someone in DTS needs to be bothered with this when the feedback pages also exist and... obviously Apple knows that this would be a fun feature to have... I mean they already have all the product features in place. The only reason we don't have it is a business decision. -Shawn From kremels at kreme.com Sun Sep 9 16:20:49 2007 From: kremels at kreme.com (LuKreme) Date: Sun Sep 9 16:21:04 2007 Subject: iTunes 7.4.1 and iToner In-Reply-To: <1980238D-5294-4308-AA8F-EC61DEA0E420@gmail.com> References: <2CB5263E-CC9C-4D5C-A707-73EF239A41F3@kapu.net> <4CA1FAEB-4075-4FF8-BABE-4D36A2A576BF@mac.com> <45E8A6A8-8A4A-4DBF-B25F-1882B69A4041@kreme.com> <0984341C-7AB0-4702-9794-A5CE74CEFD89@mac.com> <7E299500-93C2-4B59-A88E-F0575E55D5A4@gmail.com> <05792530-53A3-42A0-8112-9A22613F7056@kreme.com> <1980238D-5294-4308-AA8F-EC61DEA0E420@gmail.com> Message-ID: <8CEB39F3-6E1A-41CB-A86E-1115413B38DB@kreme.com> On 9-Sep-2007, at 17:14, Shawn Erickson wrote: > I don't think it makes much sense to file about something that > obviously is a business decision and not a technical or "hey maybe > they didn't think of that feature". I don't think someone in DTS > needs to be bothered with this when the feedback pages also exist > and... obviously Apple knows that this would be a fun feature to > have... I mean they already have all the product features in place. > The only reason we don't have it is a business decision. But Kevin thinks it was the WRONG business decision, and a BAD decision, so he SHOULD use every avenue available to him to prod Apple to make the right decision for their customers. -- "Oh damn", said Maladict. From kcall at mac.com Sun Sep 9 16:21:09 2007 From: kcall at mac.com (Kevin Callahan) Date: Sun Sep 9 16:21:17 2007 Subject: iTunes 7.4.1 and iToner In-Reply-To: <1980238D-5294-4308-AA8F-EC61DEA0E420@gmail.com> References: <2CB5263E-CC9C-4D5C-A707-73EF239A41F3@kapu.net> <4CA1FAEB-4075-4FF8-BABE-4D36A2A576BF@mac.com> <45E8A6A8-8A4A-4DBF-B25F-1882B69A4041@kreme.com> <0984341C-7AB0-4702-9794-A5CE74CEFD89@mac.com> <7E299500-93C2-4B59-A88E-F0575E55D5A4@gmail.com> <05792530-53A3-42A0-8112-9A22613F7056@kreme.com> <1980238D-5294-4308-AA8F-EC61DEA0E420@gmail.com> Message-ID: <57B7008A-ECD3-4654-97CD-FA1B620818E0@mac.com> On Sep 9, 2007, at 4:14 PM, Shawn Erickson wrote: > > On Sep 9, 2007, at 4:02 PM, LuKreme wrote: > >> On 9-Sep-2007, at 11:36, Kevin Callahan wrote: >>> In the past, I've posted numerous "feature" requests in a similar >>> fashion and have gotten positive replies for suggestions. >>> >>> I didn't realize it was for APIs only. >> >> It's not, it's for any feature requests. Shawn is projecting his >> opinion as fact, that's all. > > Sorry folks took what I said as black & white and I didn't help > that fact either. > > First I was replying purely in the context of "please let us make > ringtone for the iPhone". > > ...and the point I am trying to make is to use a little common > sense. Radar is primarily meant for developers to submit developer > related issues. It also is useful to submit product bugs and > feature requests. When you submit items someone from DTS must take > a little time to manage the item. > > I don't think it makes much sense to file about something that > obviously is a business decision and not a technical or "hey maybe > they didn't think of that feature". I don't think someone in DTS > needs to be bothered with this when the feedback pages also exist > and... obviously Apple knows that this would be a fun feature to > have... I mean they already have all the product features in place. > The only reason we don't have it is a business decision. > > -Shawn > so you are the one to decide on which feature requests or enhancements should go into the FEEDBACK column vs the RADAR's Feature (new): Request for a new feature Enhancement: Request for an enhancement to an existing feature. I'll be sure to email you first, Shawn and get your approval. Kevin From kcall at mac.com Sun Sep 9 16:21:41 2007 From: kcall at mac.com (Kevin Callahan) Date: Sun Sep 9 16:21:44 2007 Subject: iTunes 7.4.1 and iToner In-Reply-To: <8CEB39F3-6E1A-41CB-A86E-1115413B38DB@kreme.com> References: <2CB5263E-CC9C-4D5C-A707-73EF239A41F3@kapu.net> <4CA1FAEB-4075-4FF8-BABE-4D36A2A576BF@mac.com> <45E8A6A8-8A4A-4DBF-B25F-1882B69A4041@kreme.com> <0984341C-7AB0-4702-9794-A5CE74CEFD89@mac.com> <7E299500-93C2-4B59-A88E-F0575E55D5A4@gmail.com> <05792530-53A3-42A0-8112-9A22613F7056@kreme.com> <1980238D-5294-4308-AA8F-EC61DEA0E420@gmail.com> <8CEB39F3-6E1A-41CB-A86E-1115413B38DB@kreme.com> Message-ID: <7A89B841-45AA-4887-B542-8319D886271F@mac.com> On Sep 9, 2007, at 4:20 PM, LuKreme wrote: > On 9-Sep-2007, at 17:14, Shawn Erickson wrote: >> I don't think it makes much sense to file about something that >> obviously is a business decision and not a technical or "hey maybe >> they didn't think of that feature". I don't think someone in DTS >> needs to be bothered with this when the feedback pages also exist >> and... obviously Apple knows that this would be a fun feature to >> have... I mean they already have all the product features in >> place. The only reason we don't have it is a business decision. > > But Kevin thinks it was the WRONG business decision, and a BAD > decision, so he SHOULD use every avenue available to him to prod > Apple to make the right decision for their customers. That's essentially it. K > > -- > "Oh damn", said Maladict. > > > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-talk mailing list > MacOSX-talk@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-talk From mrhatken at mac.com Tue Sep 11 07:34:17 2007 From: mrhatken at mac.com (Ashley Aitken) Date: Tue Sep 11 07:35:11 2007 Subject: No Mail app on iPod Touch? In-Reply-To: <64034.202.139.159.71.1189044754.squirrel@bigbird.logicsquad.net> References: <4F675049-380E-4038-9D14-FC52C1AB8965@mac.com> <64034.202.139.159.71.1189044754.squirrel@bigbird.logicsquad.net> Message-ID: <226E8AB0-357F-4520-B3B6-86794B5AD176@mac.com> On 06/09/2007, at 10:12 AM, Matt wrote: > On Thu, September 6, 2007 11:33 am, Ashley Aitken said: >> Why no Mail app on iPod Touch? > > It's an iPod. Well I just watched the recent Apple Event video and I have to agree with Matt now. The reason the iPod touch doesn't have Mail is because it is an iPod. From the video it's clear that the only reason it has Safari is to fill in those pesky web forms you need to fill in to get onto wifi (to use the Apple Wi-Fi Music Store). And the clincher is (just recently reported) that even the calendar app doesn't let you add events (like the calendar app on the other iPods). I hope someone hacks all this ASAP to slap some sense into Cupertino. Cheers, Ashley. From kcall at mac.com Tue Sep 11 14:34:03 2007 From: kcall at mac.com (Kevin Callahan) Date: Tue Sep 11 14:34:09 2007 Subject: QuickTime "Compatibility Update 1.0" crash when setting recording preferences Message-ID: <19DFAF5D-8E1E-46EC-9CAF-0EED2D3D7079@mac.com> I was hoping today's QT "Compatibility Update" would fix the crashing that occurs when I launch QT and then select RECORDING PREFERENCES (so that I can set the input for audio to my firewire device). I'm getting the same QT Capture device crashes I've been getting since the July update to QT 7.2. Can someone with a non-MOTU audio interface let me know if they can successfully set their capture prefs to their audio interface? does your audio interface require drivers? I'm trying to determine if the problem is specific to MOTU and MOTU drivers (I don't think it is, but ... ) Thanks, Kevin Thread 1 Crashed: 0 libobjc.A.dylib 0x90a594b8 objc_msgSend + 8 1 com.apple.QTKit 0x95defe3e +[QTCaptureDevice devicesWithIOType:] + 207 2 com.apple.QTKit 0x95defcb6 +[QTCaptureDevice inputDevices] + 41 3 com.apple.QTKit 0x95defcdf +[QTCaptureDevice inputDevicesWithMediaType:] + 35 4 com.apple.quicktimeplayer 0x000a68cc - [QTPPreferencesKitCaptureDeviceList deviceDescriptionsWithMediaType:] + 71 5 com.apple.quicktimeplayer 0x000a6c71 - [QTPPreferencesKitCaptureDeviceList audioDeviceDescriptions] + 39 6 com.apple.quicktimeplayer 0x000a6bc1 - [QTPPreferencesKitCaptureDeviceList readDeviceDescriptionsForDelegate:] + 75 7 com.apple.Foundation 0x927f52e0 forkThreadForFunction + 123 8 libSystem.B.dylib 0x90024227 _pthread_body + 84 From robertlaferla at comcast.net Tue Sep 11 20:11:35 2007 From: robertlaferla at comcast.net (Robert La Ferla) Date: Tue Sep 11 20:11:46 2007 Subject: NFS and automounter Message-ID: How can I automatically mount a NFS partition at startup that is NEVER unmounted by the automounter? What ever happened to NFSManager.app? From dinse at niehs.nih.gov Tue Sep 11 20:34:23 2007 From: dinse at niehs.nih.gov (Gregg Dinse) Date: Tue Sep 11 20:34:27 2007 Subject: NFS and automounter In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sep 11, 2007, at 11:11 PM, Robert La Ferla wrote: > How can I automatically mount a NFS partition at startup that is > NEVER unmounted by the automounter? What ever happened to > NFSManager.app? Here is a link to the web site: http://www.bresink.com/osx/NFSManager.html Gregg From kremels at kreme.com Wed Sep 12 01:39:39 2007 From: kremels at kreme.com (LuKreme) Date: Wed Sep 12 01:39:45 2007 Subject: NFS and automounter In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 11-Sep-2007, at 21:11, Robert La Ferla wrote: > How can I automatically mount a NFS partition at startup that is > NEVER unmounted by the automounter? Erm, NEVER? > What ever happened to NFSManager.app? Did something happen to it? Last time I used it it was fine. Last update was UB, right? -- Hey, baby, I've got just the cure for that penis envy back at my apartment... From alsina at mac.com Wed Sep 12 05:24:03 2007 From: alsina at mac.com (Cesar Alsina) Date: Wed Sep 12 05:24:18 2007 Subject: QuickTime "Compatibility Update 1.0" crash when setting recording preferences In-Reply-To: <19DFAF5D-8E1E-46EC-9CAF-0EED2D3D7079@mac.com> References: <19DFAF5D-8E1E-46EC-9CAF-0EED2D3D7079@mac.com> Message-ID: On Sep 11, 2007, at 5:34 PM, Kevin Callahan wrote: > I was hoping today's QT "Compatibility Update" would fix the > crashing that occurs when I launch QT and then select RECORDING > PREFERENCES (so that I can set the input for audio to my firewire > device). I'm getting the same QT Capture device crashes I've been > getting since the July update to QT 7.2. > Can someone with a non-MOTU audio interface let me know if they can > successfully set their capture prefs to their audio interface? > does your audio interface require drivers? I'm trying to determine > if the problem is specific to MOTU and MOTU drivers (I don't think > it is, but ... ) I may be not understanding in full your question, but I'm able to open the Recording preference and set it to the ?only two? existing options. QuickTime Pro - QuickTime? Version 7.2.0, Player Version 7.2 (7.2) in this machine, a MacBook Pro. Cesar Alsina From kcall at mac.com Wed Sep 12 08:32:39 2007 From: kcall at mac.com (Kevin Callahan) Date: Wed Sep 12 08:32:43 2007 Subject: QuickTime "Compatibility Update 1.0" crash when setting recording preferences In-Reply-To: References