From david at idiomatrix.com Thu Nov 1 03:20:48 2007 From: david at idiomatrix.com (David Herren) Date: Thu Nov 1 03:21:10 2007 Subject: Finder Sidebar Broken in Leopard (updated) In-Reply-To: <4074AF51-5A24-4923-A726-ACB8C3D4BCA5@ucla.edu> References: <20071031190006.7A3841CBF59@forums.omnigroup.com> <4074AF51-5A24-4923-A726-ACB8C3D4BCA5@ucla.edu> Message-ID: <2C2DABE2-C142-4758-8527-BA72FDD0CD71@idiomatrix.com> On Oct 31, 2007, at 7:43 PM, Andrew Merenbach wrote: > A quick note: I just tried again and the sidebar works in both > cases. Unfortunately, I still recall it not working as of the past > couple of days. The thing that's different now is that I don't have > any external drives attached (and no way to attach them just yet, as > I'm away from my drives). > > My question now is: Has anyone seen unmounting problems, or sidebar > problems in general, and if so--what are the circumstances under > which those problems occur? You're not crazy...I've seen this as well. Drives which won't unmount now but an hour later when I try again unmount just fine... I think it's possible that something is keeping a file open on those external drives and when those files are finally closed, the drive can be unmounted. Possibly a spotlight index? Time Machine looking at the drive? /david -- david herren - shoreham, vt, us na terra solsys orionarm Candidate for 11th Commandment: "Thou shalt not consume thine own bodyweight in fudge." From kcall at mac.com Thu Nov 1 08:43:52 2007 From: kcall at mac.com (Kevin Callahan) Date: Thu Nov 1 08:44:38 2007 Subject: Finder Sidebar Broken in Leopard (updated) In-Reply-To: <2C2DABE2-C142-4758-8527-BA72FDD0CD71@idiomatrix.com> References: <20071031190006.7A3841CBF59@forums.omnigroup.com> <4074AF51-5A24-4923-A726-ACB8C3D4BCA5@ucla.edu> <2C2DABE2-C142-4758-8527-BA72FDD0CD71@idiomatrix.com> Message-ID: On Nov 1, 2007, at 3:20 AM, David Herren wrote: > On Oct 31, 2007, at 7:43 PM, Andrew Merenbach wrote: > >> A quick note: I just tried again and the sidebar works in both >> cases. Unfortunately, I still recall it not working as of the past >> couple of days. The thing that's different now is that I don't >> have any external drives attached (and no way to attach them just >> yet, as I'm away from my drives). >> >> My question now is: Has anyone seen unmounting problems, or sidebar >> problems in general, and if so--what are the circumstances under >> which those problems occur? > > You're not crazy...I've seen this as well. Drives which won't > unmount now but an hour later when I try again unmount just fine... > I think it's possible that something is keeping a file open on those > external drives and when those files are finally closed, the drive > can be unmounted. Possibly a spotlight index? Time Machine looking > at the drive? > > /david I burned a CD in iTunes yesterday. Even though the disc has long been ejected, there's a FOLDER named "Audio CD" in my Devices in the Finder sidebar. The burn wasn't named Audio CD, but nonetheless, there's a folder sitting there with that title. Can't delete it. K From david at idiomatrix.com Thu Nov 1 10:22:53 2007 From: david at idiomatrix.com (David Herren) Date: Thu Nov 1 10:23:21 2007 Subject: update currency exchange rates in Calculator under Leopard? Message-ID: <43287D7F-E641-4C25-8168-D719D74D19B0@idiomatrix.com> I know I must be blind... Where have they moved the command to update exchange rates under Leopard? /david -- david herren - shoreham, vt us na terra solsys orionarm "I'm hopeful. I know there is a lot of ambition in Washington, obviously. But I hope the ambitious realize that they are more likely to succeed with success as opposed to failure." -George W. Bush, AP interview, Jan 18, 2001 From glennc at mac.com Thu Nov 1 11:14:08 2007 From: glennc at mac.com (Glenn Carnagey) Date: Thu Nov 1 11:14:22 2007 Subject: modifying user data under leopard In-Reply-To: <42018611-DB38-48D5-87C9-C4343DBE708B@objectwerks.com> References: <90BD3113-42BF-4876-B02C-55D91906BD31@objectwerks.com> <20071029212548.GC4681@h460bb915.area7.spcsdns.net> <46508A61-9950-4ED4-A67D-96043C2A0C65@objectwerks.com> <668D19CB-DDA9-4E90-B62A-F28821482A7E@kreme.com> <42018611-DB38-48D5-87C9-C4343DBE708B@objectwerks.com> Message-ID: On Oct 31, 2007, at 4:36 PM, Chad Leigh -- ObjectWerks wrote: > > On Oct 31, 2007, at 2:47 PM, LuKreme wrote: > >> On 31-Oct-2007, at 13:19, Chad Leigh -- ObjectWerks wrote: >>> Plus, I feel all dirty and scummy and Linux-y when I use bas >> >> >> bash is "Bourne Again Shell" and has nothing to do with linux. > > Sure it does. Since it is the default and expected shell on Linux > and all the communists use it, it has a lot to do with Linux. I > never claimed it was part of the Linux project or came about > because Linux. Only that using it made me feel "Linux-y" > >> Yes, it is a gnu project, based on Jason Bourne >> >> ...(no, that can't be right, that's the guy in the Ludlum books... >> erm... wrack my brain... Sam? no. Crud. Something with an 'S' I >> think. Something very much like Sam, but not quite.) OK, >> starting over, >> >> ...based on Mr. Bourne's 'bourne shell' which was the UNIX >> standard from about 5 minutes after it was written sometime in the >> 1970's until now. bash represents a super-set of sh (Bourne Shell >> was just sh, not bsh), and is completely compatible with the sh >> command set (well, just about). In fact, on most computers, there >> is no /bin/sh, it is simply an alias to /bin/bash, and bash >> behaves slightly differently when invoked as 'sh' to maintain >> maximum compatibility. > > Not on BSD computers by default (not including OS X). sh is sh and > bash you have to install later. When Linux was young and way too flaky to use for servers, you sat a FreeBSD box in the corner and forgot about it, due to the Insanely Great Uptime. Literally years. People that administered these machines almost universally used tcsh. Before that if you ran SunOS clusters (think Solaris 1.0, Sparc 1/1+/2 days), the first things you installed after your terminal server were tcsh, less, top, screen. bash, what's that? ;-) The time period happens to coincide approximately with the highpoint for Usenet, Mosaic killing gopher and turning into Netscape, and AOL joining the Internet and the subsequent explosion, so there are a lot of old fogey Unix SAs out there with this background. > When I program a shell script, I use sh. For my interactive use, > tcsh is better for me. Same here. But I inherit other people's bash scripts all the time, so I've had to get used to it, and that's fine. >> When i was at UCSC the big thing was ksh (Korn Shell) which I >> thought, until quite recently, was a pun on "Bourne Shell" rather >> than being eponymous for the creator, some guy named Mr. Korn. ksh >> is probably the best programming shell out there, and it, like >> bash, is fully compatible with the original Bourne shell. AT USCS >> the default shell was csh, which all the geeks changed to ksh >> (bash didn't exist then, I am Old?) and the REAL geeks changed to sh > > Well, I am probably about that Old? too. My first unix use was > really old BSD running on a variety of machines around 84-88 and > then 88-89 I used some Ultrix and even got DEC training on it (I > worked at DEC 88-93, mainly on that superior VMS system ;-) but had > 90-91 off on a leave of absence to try and graduate after years of > night school at BU ...) > I've been using FreeBSD on the server side since 96 after a very > small amount of flirting with Linux when it was brand new. my background is similar, even did the flirting probably around the same time. My first exposure were MVS on Vax and Unix on DEC Pyramids. Supermarc... Superwylber... run! x_x But my introduction to the CLI was actuually CP/M on Osbornes. Late '80s/ Early '90s I was an academic sysadmin, I happened to be at U of Chicago, until about '95, when I caught the entrepreneurial flu, my first two companies in the early/mid nineties ran on FreeBSD. g./ From kcall at mac.com Thu Nov 1 11:32:48 2007 From: kcall at mac.com (Kevin Callahan) Date: Thu Nov 1 11:32:55 2007 Subject: Mail prefs: Default Email Reader Message-ID: No matter what I do, Mail's prefs for "Default Email Reader" is stuck on Thunderbird. I set it to Mail 3.0, but each time I open the Mail prefs, Thunderbird is selected. It doesn't seem to be a real problem though -- if I choose to email someone from an AddressBook entry, for example, Mail is launched. K From mark at bbprojects.net Thu Nov 1 11:54:42 2007 From: mark at bbprojects.net (Mark Smith) Date: Thu Nov 1 11:54:53 2007 Subject: Mail prefs: Default Email Reader In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <59450B07-D3B9-43F1-AE79-A7A0AC1CCB69@bbprojects.net> On 01.11.2007, at 19:32, Kevin Callahan wrote: > No matter what I do, Mail's prefs for "Default Email Reader" is > stuck on Thunderbird. > > I set it to Mail 3.0, but each time I open the Mail prefs, > Thunderbird is selected. I would imagine that deleting Thunderbird would solve this. Mark. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/pkcs7-signature Size: 2421 bytes Desc: not available Url : /mailman/archive/macosx-talk/attachments/20071101/461c0225/smime.bin From kcall at mac.com Thu Nov 1 11:56:24 2007 From: kcall at mac.com (Kevin Callahan) Date: Thu Nov 1 11:56:28 2007 Subject: Mail prefs: Default Email Reader In-Reply-To: <59450B07-D3B9-43F1-AE79-A7A0AC1CCB69@bbprojects.net> References: <59450B07-D3B9-43F1-AE79-A7A0AC1CCB69@bbprojects.net> Message-ID: On Nov 1, 2007, at 11:54 AM, Mark Smith wrote: > > On 01.11.2007, at 19:32, Kevin Callahan wrote: > >> No matter what I do, Mail's prefs for "Default Email Reader" is >> stuck on Thunderbird. >> >> I set it to Mail 3.0, but each time I open the Mail prefs, >> Thunderbird is selected. > > I would imagine that deleting Thunderbird would solve this. sure .. but I need to keep it around for testing some accounts -- sometimes, Mail screws up and I can verify an account is working via Thunderbird K From larkost at softhome.net Thu Nov 1 12:24:42 2007 From: larkost at softhome.net (Karl Kuehn) Date: Thu Nov 1 12:25:08 2007 Subject: Finder Sidebar Broken in Leopard (updated) In-Reply-To: <2C2DABE2-C142-4758-8527-BA72FDD0CD71@idiomatrix.com> References: <20071031190006.7A3841CBF59@forums.omnigroup.com> <4074AF51-5A24-4923-A726-ACB8C3D4BCA5@ucla.edu> <2C2DABE2-C142-4758-8527-BA72FDD0CD71@idiomatrix.com> Message-ID: On Nov 1, 2007, at 6:20 AM, David Herren wrote: > You're not crazy...I've seen this as well. Drives which won't > unmount now but an hour later when I try again unmount just fine... > I think it's possible that something is keeping a file open on those > external drives and when those files are finally closed, the drive > can be unmounted. Possibly a spotlight index? Time Machine looking > at the drive? I think that this is a Finder bug. I have seen it a few times and if I restart the Finder it always works just fine. -- Karl Kuehn larkost@softhome.net From kcall at mac.com Thu Nov 1 13:17:49 2007 From: kcall at mac.com (Kevin Callahan) Date: Thu Nov 1 13:18:09 2007 Subject: Mail SENT not showing sent file? Message-ID: I sent out an important email that contained an attachment. Mail is not showing it was sent (not showing up in SENT folder, yet I watched the activity viewer send it out). Is there an alternate way to check if the email was actually sent ? Thanks, Kevin From pelorus at mac.com Thu Nov 1 13:21:50 2007 From: pelorus at mac.com (Matt Johnston) Date: Thu Nov 1 13:21:56 2007 Subject: Mail SENT not showing sent file? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1D9BCBC7-1A29-4749-B627-C8743E5560D7@mac.com> On 1 Nov 2007, at 20:17, Kevin Callahan wrote: > I sent out an important email that contained an attachment. > > Mail is not showing it was sent (not showing up in SENT folder, yet > I watched the activity viewer send it out). > > Is there an alternate way to check if the email was actually sent ? Spotlight. The main menu. I had this the other day. From andrew.merenbach at ucla.edu Thu Nov 1 13:25:16 2007 From: andrew.merenbach at ucla.edu (Andrew Merenbach) Date: Thu Nov 1 13:25:27 2007 Subject: Finder Sidebar Broken in Leopard In-Reply-To: <20071101190006.6591B1CC9EF@forums.omnigroup.com> References: <20071101190006.6591B1CC9EF@forums.omnigroup.com> Message-ID: On Nov 1, 2007, at 12:00 PM, macosx-talk-request@omnigroup.com wrote: > On Oct 31, 2007, at 7:39 PM, Andrew Merenbach wrote: >> >> >> I was wondering whether this might be due to the fact that I >> formatted my system as case-sensitive journaled, as opposed to >> simply journaled. Also, for the record, I used the disk utility on >> the DVD to format my drive, rather than the installer itself. >> >> Has anyone else seen either of these problems? >> > > So far no problems like that hear. Does it give you any error? You > need to be really careful with case-sensitive fs under OS X. A lot of > apps are not aware of that on OS X from what I recall. > > --Larry No errors for me, no. Just a lack of unmounting and a lack of adding to the "Places" area. Selecting and deselecting sidebar items in the Finder prefs, however, works just fine. I did send in an update to the list--things seem to be working now. But it still doesn't /always/ work. Oy. As for case-sensitive HFS+, I have definitely had some bad experiences with it--Adobe CS2, for instance, fails completely on such as system. The game Fallout 2 (granted, it was from 1997, but the Omni Group did a really good OS X port) doesn't properly play all of its music properly, and crashes more than it probably would otherwise. And there are of course numerous smaller (and larger) examples. Overall, however, I will say that I've been using case-sensitivity for a few years now (and I tend to consider myself an upper-intermediate user, for what it's worth) with no truly insurmountable obstacles. But your words are a very good warning, and I'm always keeping my eyes peeled. Cheers, Andrew From jearle at gmail.com Thu Nov 1 13:41:30 2007 From: jearle at gmail.com (Jared Earle) Date: Thu Nov 1 13:41:34 2007 Subject: modifying user data under leopard In-Reply-To: References: <90BD3113-42BF-4876-B02C-55D91906BD31@objectwerks.com> <20071029212548.GC4681@h460bb915.area7.spcsdns.net> <46508A61-9950-4ED4-A67D-96043C2A0C65@objectwerks.com> <668D19CB-DDA9-4E90-B62A-F28821482A7E@kreme.com> <42018611-DB38-48D5-87C9-C4343DBE708B@objectwerks.com> Message-ID: <5bbc0cd60711011341qade6364w436e2f619267bdbd@mail.gmail.com> On 11/1/07, Glenn Carnagey wrote: > so there are a lot of old fogey Unix SAs out > there with this background. And the good ones learn new tricks, like Bash. Bill Joy no longer uses vi, for instance, and he wrote it. -- Jared Earle :: There is no SPORK jearle@gmail.com :: http://www.23x.net The Spodcast :: http://spodcast.org From kcall at mac.com Thu Nov 1 13:47:39 2007 From: kcall at mac.com (Kevin Callahan) Date: Thu Nov 1 13:47:50 2007 Subject: Mail SENT not showing sent file? In-Reply-To: <1D9BCBC7-1A29-4749-B627-C8743E5560D7@mac.com> References: <1D9BCBC7-1A29-4749-B627-C8743E5560D7@mac.com> Message-ID: <79974677-B260-4C32-99A4-6DC3E7E6BC0C@mac.com> On Nov 1, 2007, at 1:21 PM, Matt Johnston wrote: > > On 1 Nov 2007, at 20:17, Kevin Callahan wrote: > >> I sent out an important email that contained an attachment. >> >> Mail is not showing it was sent (not showing up in SENT folder, yet >> I watched the activity viewer send it out). >> >> Is there an alternate way to check if the email was actually sent ? > > Spotlight. The main menu. I had this the other day. nada :-( I searched for keywords numerous times and it never shows up I also tried Time Machine - went back through Drafts, Sent ... nada ** noticed that unlike with the Finder, when you go back in Time Machine in Mail, you lose your query field Amazing, because I watched the email being sent in the MAIL ACTIVITY window. No Draft. No Sent. WTF? K From jearle at gmail.com Thu Nov 1 13:55:41 2007 From: jearle at gmail.com (Jared Earle) Date: Thu Nov 1 13:55:46 2007 Subject: Mail SENT not showing sent file? In-Reply-To: <79974677-B260-4C32-99A4-6DC3E7E6BC0C@mac.com> References: <1D9BCBC7-1A29-4749-B627-C8743E5560D7@mac.com> <79974677-B260-4C32-99A4-6DC3E7E6BC0C@mac.com> Message-ID: <5bbc0cd60711011355l53cd1986q85d543412ae3840e@mail.gmail.com> On 11/1/07, Kevin Callahan wrote: > Amazing, because I watched the email being sent in the MAIL ACTIVITY > window. > No Draft. > No Sent. Are you using IMAP and is the Sent folder on the server? -- Jared Earle :: There is no SPORK jearle@gmail.com :: http://www.23x.net The Spodcast :: http://spodcast.org From kcall at mac.com Thu Nov 1 13:58:41 2007 From: kcall at mac.com (Kevin Callahan) Date: Thu Nov 1 13:58:52 2007 Subject: Mail SENT not showing sent file? In-Reply-To: <5bbc0cd60711011355l53cd1986q85d543412ae3840e@mail.gmail.com> References: <1D9BCBC7-1A29-4749-B627-C8743E5560D7@mac.com> <79974677-B260-4C32-99A4-6DC3E7E6BC0C@mac.com> <5bbc0cd60711011355l53cd1986q85d543412ae3840e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6B06DD16-9CFC-4669-B406-6471F4F25A82@mac.com> On Nov 1, 2007, at 1:55 PM, Jared Earle wrote: > On 11/1/07, Kevin Callahan wrote: >> Amazing, because I watched the email being sent in the MAIL ACTIVITY >> window. >> No Draft. >> No Sent. > > Are you using IMAP and is the Sent folder on the server? yes .. and the file is not there From kcall at mac.com Thu Nov 1 14:00:54 2007 From: kcall at mac.com (Kevin Callahan) Date: Thu Nov 1 14:01:01 2007 Subject: Mail SENT not showing sent file? In-Reply-To: <6B06DD16-9CFC-4669-B406-6471F4F25A82@mac.com> References: <1D9BCBC7-1A29-4749-B627-C8743E5560D7@mac.com> <79974677-B260-4C32-99A4-6DC3E7E6BC0C@mac.com> <5bbc0cd60711011355l53cd1986q85d543412ae3840e@mail.gmail.com> <6B06DD16-9CFC-4669-B406-6471F4F25A82@mac.com> Message-ID: <9BC42BCA-68C6-4A1A-9A55-B934E09200A4@mac.com> On Nov 1, 2007, at 1:58 PM, Kevin Callahan wrote: > > On Nov 1, 2007, at 1:55 PM, Jared Earle wrote: > >> On 11/1/07, Kevin Callahan wrote: >>> Amazing, because I watched the email being sent in the MAIL ACTIVITY >>> window. >>> No Draft. >>> No Sent. >> >> Are you using IMAP and is the Sent folder on the server? > > yes .. and the file is not there oh .. the file had a 4.3MB audio attachment .. and a small image i was able to watch the progress bar to completion the recipient was a .Mac address K From jearle at gmail.com Thu Nov 1 14:01:17 2007 From: jearle at gmail.com (Jared Earle) Date: Thu Nov 1 14:01:26 2007 Subject: Mail SENT not showing sent file? In-Reply-To: <6B06DD16-9CFC-4669-B406-6471F4F25A82@mac.com> References: <1D9BCBC7-1A29-4749-B627-C8743E5560D7@mac.com> <79974677-B260-4C32-99A4-6DC3E7E6BC0C@mac.com> <5bbc0cd60711011355l53cd1986q85d543412ae3840e@mail.gmail.com> <6B06DD16-9CFC-4669-B406-6471F4F25A82@mac.com> Message-ID: <5bbc0cd60711011401p5df331abw8bf5f52a7b35a50@mail.gmail.com> On 11/1/07, Kevin Callahan wrote: > > On Nov 1, 2007, at 1:55 PM, Jared Earle wrote: > > Are you using IMAP and is the Sent folder on the server? > > yes .. and the file is not there Set the preferences to store sent messages on your local machine. When you've seen that works, you'll then know for sure it's a server issue. Get a better IMAP server? -- Jared Earle :: There is no SPORK jearle@gmail.com :: http://www.23x.net The Spodcast :: http://spodcast.org From kcall at mac.com Thu Nov 1 14:02:32 2007 From: kcall at mac.com (Kevin Callahan) Date: Thu Nov 1 14:02:39 2007 Subject: Mail SENT not showing sent file? In-Reply-To: <5bbc0cd60711011401p5df331abw8bf5f52a7b35a50@mail.gmail.com> References: <1D9BCBC7-1A29-4749-B627-C8743E5560D7@mac.com> <79974677-B260-4C32-99A4-6DC3E7E6BC0C@mac.com> <5bbc0cd60711011355l53cd1986q85d543412ae3840e@mail.gmail.com> <6B06DD16-9CFC-4669-B406-6471F4F25A82@mac.com> <5bbc0cd60711011401p5df331abw8bf5f52a7b35a50@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <820DF5C1-AC77-49DC-863E-9735F1A63398@mac.com> On Nov 1, 2007, at 2:01 PM, Jared Earle wrote: > On 11/1/07, Kevin Callahan wrote: >> >> On Nov 1, 2007, at 1:55 PM, Jared Earle wrote: >>> Are you using IMAP and is the Sent folder on the server? >> >> yes .. and the file is not there > > Set the preferences to store sent messages on your local machine. When > you've seen that works, you'll then know for sure it's a server issue. > Get a better IMAP server? I'm using .Mac :-( From glennc at mac.com Thu Nov 1 14:20:20 2007 From: glennc at mac.com (Glenn Carnagey) Date: Thu Nov 1 14:20:36 2007 Subject: modifying user data under leopard In-Reply-To: <5bbc0cd60711011341qade6364w436e2f619267bdbd@mail.gmail.com> References: <90BD3113-42BF-4876-B02C-55D91906BD31@objectwerks.com> <20071029212548.GC4681@h460bb915.area7.spcsdns.net> <46508A61-9950-4ED4-A67D-96043C2A0C65@objectwerks.com> <668D19CB-DDA9-4E90-B62A-F28821482A7E@kreme.com> <42018611-DB38-48D5-87C9-C4343DBE708B@objectwerks.com> <5bbc0cd60711011341qade6364w436e2f619267bdbd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <53A9FC62-738F-474D-9392-A0F788B0D72D@mac.com> On Nov 1, 2007, at 3:41 PM, Jared Earle wrote: > On 11/1/07, Glenn Carnagey wrote: >> so there are a lot of old fogey Unix SAs out >> there with this background. > > And the good ones learn new tricks, like Bash. > > Bill Joy no longer uses vi, for instance, and he wrote it. Sometimes it's helpful to read the whole note, you know. ;-) I know bash quite well, thank you, and I'm fine when I inherit scripts written in bash. But I prefer to chocolate to vanilla. YMMV I have always despised vi, but when it's all that's available, I use it, for instance. g./ From kcall at mac.com Thu Nov 1 14:26:59 2007 From: kcall at mac.com (Kevin Callahan) Date: Thu Nov 1 14:27:04 2007 Subject: iTWire - Mac malware bends browsers to suspect sites Message-ID: http://www.itwire.com/content/view/15133/53/ http://www.macworld.com/2007/10/firstlooks/trojanhorse/index.php -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I have no problem with bash scripts, but for my interactive use I like tcsh. It does what I need it to. > > > Bill Joy no longer uses vi, for instance, and he wrote it. > I use vi. I only know a few commands but it is available on every machine I get access to or need to access and it works for editing conf files etc. I don't use v for general text editing or programming. Chad > -- > Jared Earle :: There is no SPORK > jearle@gmail.com :: http://www.23x.net > The Spodcast :: http://spodcast.org > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-talk mailing list > MacOSX-talk@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-talk From kremels at kreme.com Thu Nov 1 14:58:32 2007 From: kremels at kreme.com (LuKreme) Date: Thu Nov 1 14:58:36 2007 Subject: iTWire - Mac malware bends browsers to suspect sites In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9DF3E326-276F-416F-8438-9E6424AA023E@kreme.com> On 1-Nov-2007, at 15:26, Kevin Callahan wrote: > http://www.itwire.com/content/view/15133/53/ This seems like more of an IQ test than real malware. First off, you have to download an app. then you have to bypass the "this app was downloaded off the internet, are you sure you trust it" then you have to type in your admin password. -- If religion was a computer virus: 1. Knock on door (Access known port) "Have you heard the word of the lord today?" (listening?) 3. "What I'm about to tell you is unquestioned truth" (Hack attempt. Try to get super user status) 4. "This book is filled with truth.. read it and believe it" (Let's install a rootkit) 5. "Welcome to the brotherhood." (All you base are belong to us!) 6. "BTW, If you don't spread this meme and infect ALL you friends and children, you will suffer eternal torment" (You will now help us attempt a DDoS on other Religions) From shacker at birdhouse.org Thu Nov 1 15:10:38 2007 From: shacker at birdhouse.org (Scot Hacker) Date: Thu Nov 1 15:06:38 2007 Subject: Mail SENT not showing sent file? In-Reply-To: <6B06DD16-9CFC-4669-B406-6471F4F25A82@mac.com> References: <1D9BCBC7-1A29-4749-B627-C8743E5560D7@mac.com> <79974677-B260-4C32-99A4-6DC3E7E6BC0C@mac.com> <5bbc0cd60711011355l53cd1986q85d543412ae3840e@mail.gmail.com> <6B06DD16-9CFC-4669-B406-6471F4F25A82@mac.com> Message-ID: On Nov 1, 2007, at 1:58 PM, Kevin Callahan wrote: >> Are you using IMAP and is the Sent folder on the server? > > yes .. and the file is not there Do you see other Sent mail but just not this message? Or do you see no Sent mail? If the latter, set the IMAP Path Prefix in the Advanced account tab to "INBOX". Mail.app does not detect this correctly when working against some IMAP servers (notably cPanel systems). At least this is true in Tiger, not sure about Leopard. Setting this usually makes missing Sent and Drafts folders on the server show up. ./s From kcall at mac.com Thu Nov 1 15:11:43 2007 From: kcall at mac.com (Kevin Callahan) Date: Thu Nov 1 15:11:50 2007 Subject: Mail SENT not showing sent file? In-Reply-To: References: <1D9BCBC7-1A29-4749-B627-C8743E5560D7@mac.com> <79974677-B260-4C32-99A4-6DC3E7E6BC0C@mac.com> <5bbc0cd60711011355l53cd1986q85d543412ae3840e@mail.gmail.com> <6B06DD16-9CFC-4669-B406-6471F4F25A82@mac.com> Message-ID: On Nov 1, 2007, at 3:10 PM, Scot Hacker wrote: > On Nov 1, 2007, at 1:58 PM, Kevin Callahan wrote: > >>> Are you using IMAP and is the Sent folder on the server? >> >> yes .. and the file is not there > > Do you see other Sent mail but just not this message? yes the one I sent included an AAC 4.3MB audio file, a small JPG .. a little bit of text this appears to be the only one missing - I sent a test mail to the same address a short time ago and it shows up in the SENT folder - so it doesn't appear to be an address issue bizarre - I don't recall this happening in Tiger, but maybe it has > Or do you see no Sent mail? If the latter, set the IMAP Path > Prefix in the Advanced account tab to "INBOX". Mail.app does not > detect this correctly when working against some IMAP servers > (notably cPanel systems). i'm using .Mac SMTP and IMAP the recipient is on .Mac as well > At least this is true in Tiger, not sure about Leopard. Setting this > usually makes missing Sent and Drafts folders on the server show up. > > ./s > thanks K > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-talk mailing list > MacOSX-talk@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-talk http://www.kevincallahan.org/ http://www.kevincallahan.org/software/accessorizer.html http://www.xeniamara.com/ From pelorus at mac.com Thu Nov 1 15:14:01 2007 From: pelorus at mac.com (Matt Johnston) Date: Thu Nov 1 15:14:07 2007 Subject: iTWire - Mac malware bends browsers to suspect sites In-Reply-To: <9DF3E326-276F-416F-8438-9E6424AA023E@kreme.com> References: <9DF3E326-276F-416F-8438-9E6424AA023E@kreme.com> Message-ID: On 1 Nov 2007, at 21:58, LuKreme wrote: > On 1-Nov-2007, at 15:26, Kevin Callahan wrote: >> http://www.itwire.com/content/view/15133/53/ > > > This seems like more of an IQ test than real malware. > > First off, you have to download an app. then you have to bypass the > "this app was downloaded off the internet, are you sure you trust > it" then you have to type in your admin password. And in the REAL WORLD.... From mgrant at gmail.com Thu Nov 1 15:24:34 2007 From: mgrant at gmail.com (Michael Grant) Date: Thu Nov 1 15:24:36 2007 Subject: Getting rid of US keyboard in Leopard Message-ID: Any international keyboard users out there know how to keep the US keyboard layout from popping up where it's not wanted in Leopard? In previous systems I could deactivate it as long as I had another Roman layout active, but in Leopard it stays grayed out in the International prefpane no matter what I do. TIA, Michael -- I never metadata I didn't like. From kremels at kreme.com Thu Nov 1 16:10:15 2007 From: kremels at kreme.com (LuKreme) Date: Thu Nov 1 16:10:22 2007 Subject: iTWire - Mac malware bends browsers to suspect sites In-Reply-To: References: <9DF3E326-276F-416F-8438-9E6424AA023E@kreme.com> Message-ID: <3A56F1AD-0A7A-4F62-B63E-84111B6D875D@kreme.com> On 1-Nov-2007, at 16:14, Matt Johnston wrote: > On 1 Nov 2007, at 21:58, LuKreme wrote: >> On 1-Nov-2007, at 15:26, Kevin Callahan wrote: >>> http://www.itwire.com/content/view/15133/53/ >> >> This seems like more of an IQ test than real malware. >> >> First off, you have to download an app. then you have to bypass >> the "this app was downloaded off the internet, are you sure you >> trust it" then you have to type in your admin password. > > > And in the REAL WORLD.... Oh sure, in the real world you can get a user to do anything. But that's not the point. The point is there is nothing special about this 'trojan' and it is not really even a trojan. A trojan is a piece of malware that appears to be one thing, but also installs a bunch of other stuff. This is just a script, there's note ven a quicktime codec. In short, there is NOTHING that anyone can do to prevent this type of attack. If the user has superuser privs and the user grants privs to an executable, that executable can do ANYTHING. That is the definition of superuser. This sort of malware would work just as well on Windows, OS 9, Linux, FreedBSD, OpenBSD, System V, or any other OS you can name. -- Major Strasser has been shot. Round up the usual suspects. From kremels at kreme.com Thu Nov 1 16:13:45 2007 From: kremels at kreme.com (LuKreme) Date: Thu Nov 1 16:13:54 2007 Subject: Getting rid of US keyboard in Leopard In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 1-Nov-2007, at 16:24, Michael Grant wrote: > Any international keyboard users out there know how to keep the US > keyboard layout from popping up where it's not wanted in Leopard? 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(It may even be that the finder is crashing and restarting quickly--I haven't done anything to verify that). /david -- david herren - shoreham, vt us na terra solsys orionarm Sometimes when you fill a vacuum, it still sucks. (like the current US presidency...) From list-omnigroup at fsck.net Thu Nov 1 17:16:52 2007 From: list-omnigroup at fsck.net (Eugene) Date: Thu Nov 1 17:17:11 2007 Subject: modifying user data under leopard In-Reply-To: References: <90BD3113-42BF-4876-B02C-55D91906BD31@objectwerks.com> <20071029212548.GC4681@h460bb915.area7.spcsdns.net> <46508A61-9950-4ED4-A67D-96043C2A0C65@objectwerks.com> <668D19CB-DDA9-4E90-B62A-F28821482A7E@kreme.com> <42018611-DB38-48D5-87C9-C4343DBE708B@objectwerks.com> Message-ID: <20071102001652.GA279@core-age.local> On Thu, Nov 01, 2007 at 01:14:08PM CDT, Glenn Carnagey wrote: > > my background is similar, even did the flirting probably around the same > time. My first exposure were MVS on Vax and Unix on DEC Pyramids. You mean VAX/VMS, right? I'm only familiar with MVS on IBM 390 boxen (stupid JCL). -- Eugene http://www.coxar.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/ From hexstar at gmail.com Thu Nov 1 17:19:09 2007 From: hexstar at gmail.com (Hex Star) Date: Thu Nov 1 17:19:13 2007 Subject: Finder Sidebar Broken in Leopard (updated) In-Reply-To: <4F0124BE-2A75-484A-B3E5-0F801CE1995D@idiomatrix.com> References: <20071031190006.7A3841CBF59@forums.omnigroup.com> <4074AF51-5A24-4923-A726-ACB8C3D4BCA5@ucla.edu> <2C2DABE2-C142-4758-8527-BA72FDD0CD71@idiomatrix.com> <4F0124BE-2A75-484A-B3E5-0F801CE1995D@idiomatrix.com> Message-ID: <5dc6fd9e0711011719m4cafa11eja5a89a823a607219@mail.gmail.com> On 11/1/07, David Herren wrote: > Another Finder bug... about half the time now that I attempt to eject > an external drive, when it does eject the drive, the Finder window > also closes. (It may even be that the finder is crashing and > restarting quickly--I haven't done anything to verify that). Yes I have experienced this bug as well and have reported it to Apple via their bug reporting facility From david at idiomatrix.com Thu Nov 1 17:26:33 2007 From: david at idiomatrix.com (David Herren) Date: Thu Nov 1 17:26:54 2007 Subject: leopard losing whole directories... Message-ID: This is too strange to be a coincidence... You may recall in a message about Time machine yesterday I commented on my difficulties in restoring a directory of 90+ files. I make stupid mistakes, but I rarely delete entire directories of files that I work on every day... Today, twice, entire directories have disappeared. In both cases (and yesterday as well), the directories had been dragged into the Finder sidebar (where they usually live since they're directories of files I work on constantly). Both gone. No spotlight hits, nothing in the trash. Time Machine recovers versions a few hours old, but I don't keep the drive plugged in to my laptop all the time so a handful of new files I created (and fortunately printed) have disappeared. Has anyone else had finder sidebar directories disappear? /david -- david herren - shoreham, vt us na terra solsys orionarm Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it, misdiagnosing it and then misapplying the wrong remedies. -Groucho Marx (I guess Dubya's a pretty good politician, then...) From hexstar at gmail.com Thu Nov 1 17:31:14 2007 From: hexstar at gmail.com (Hex Star) Date: Thu Nov 1 17:31:20 2007 Subject: leopard losing whole directories... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5dc6fd9e0711011731n2565f4fye7651b3e6a53f2@mail.gmail.com> On 11/1/07, David Herren wrote: > Has anyone else had finder sidebar directories disappear? No, I would recommend checking your disks integrity via Disk Utility asap, also check the smart status...if the smart status says failing then replace the hard drive promptly. One other thing I'd do is check the Console and see if anything has been logged about this oddity. From hexstar at gmail.com Thu Nov 1 17:34:36 2007 From: hexstar at gmail.com (Hex Star) Date: Thu Nov 1 17:34:44 2007 Subject: iTWire - Mac malware bends browsers to suspect sites In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5dc6fd9e0711011734n98516e6o935f648e42bf8620@mail.gmail.com> On 11/1/07, Kevin Callahan wrote: > > > http://www.itwire.com/content/view/15133/53/ > > > http://www.macworld.com/2007/10/firstlooks/trojanhorse/index.php If a user is dumb enough to download random software off the internet, extract it, run it and then enter their administrative credentials then IMO they deserve to have their system owned. Everyone else is safe :) From mgrant at gmail.com Thu Nov 1 17:36:01 2007 From: mgrant at gmail.com (Michael Grant) Date: Thu Nov 1 17:36:06 2007 Subject: Getting rid of US keyboard in Leopard In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: So it seems that one of those three (US, US Unicode, or Unicode Hex) always has to be on. Well, I'll try it with the hex for a while. Thanks! Michael On 11/1/07, LuKreme wrote: > On 1-Nov-2007, at 16:24, Michael Grant wrote: > > Any international keyboard users out there know how to keep the US > > keyboard layout from popping up where it's not wanted in Leopard? > > I see no difference int eh behavior from 10.4 > > My default set: > > > > Disable US: > > > > Enable Unicode and US > > > > Unicode only: > > > > > > -- > I've always had a flair for stage directions. > > > > -- I never metadata I didn't like. From david at idiomatrix.com Thu Nov 1 18:36:06 2007 From: david at idiomatrix.com (David Herren) Date: Thu Nov 1 18:36:28 2007 Subject: leopard losing whole directories... In-Reply-To: <5dc6fd9e0711011731n2565f4fye7651b3e6a53f2@mail.gmail.com> References: <5dc6fd9e0711011731n2565f4fye7651b3e6a53f2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Nov 1, 2007, at 8:31 PM, Hex Star wrote: > No, I would recommend checking your disks integrity via Disk Utility > asap, also check the smart status...if the smart status says failing > then replace the hard drive promptly. One other thing I'd do is check > the Console and see if anything has been logged about this oddity. Brand new drive recently apple certified installed. Nothing of note in the console. /david -- david herren - shoreham, vt us na terra solsys orionarm "He loves nature in spite of what it did to him." --- Forrest Tucker From abridge at gmail.com Thu Nov 1 19:17:32 2007 From: abridge at gmail.com (Adam Bridge) Date: Thu Nov 1 19:17:40 2007 Subject: leopard losing whole directories... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4cfa589b0711011917p77cc0e35j2c4d443283cfaa28@mail.gmail.com> This sounds like the kernel bug they're talking about? Adam On 11/1/07, David Herren wrote: > This is too strange to be a coincidence... > > You may recall in a message about Time machine yesterday I commented > on my difficulties in restoring a directory of 90+ files. I make > stupid mistakes, but I rarely delete entire directories of files that > I work on every day... > > Today, twice, entire directories have disappeared. In both cases (and > yesterday as well), the directories had been dragged into the Finder > sidebar (where they usually live since they're directories of files I > work on constantly). Both gone. No spotlight hits, nothing in the trash. > > Time Machine recovers versions a few hours old, but I don't keep the > drive plugged in to my laptop all the time so a handful of new files I > created (and fortunately printed) have disappeared. > > Has anyone else had finder sidebar directories disappear? > > /david > > -- > david herren - shoreham, vt us na terra solsys orionarm > > Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it, misdiagnosing > it and then misapplying the wrong remedies. > -Groucho Marx > > (I guess Dubya's a pretty good politician, then...) > > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-talk mailing list > MacOSX-talk@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-talk > From shawnce at gmail.com Thu Nov 1 19:27:10 2007 From: shawnce at gmail.com (Shawn Erickson) Date: Thu Nov 1 19:27:19 2007 Subject: leopard losing whole directories... In-Reply-To: <4cfa589b0711011917p77cc0e35j2c4d443283cfaa28@mail.gmail.com> References: <4cfa589b0711011917p77cc0e35j2c4d443283cfaa28@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Nov 1, 2007, at 7:17 PM, Adam Bridge wrote: > This sounds like the kernel bug they're talking about? Who is talking about what? From andrew.brown at c18.net Thu Nov 1 19:47:38 2007 From: andrew.brown at c18.net (Andrew Brown) Date: Thu Nov 1 19:47:31 2007 Subject: leopard losing whole directories... In-Reply-To: References: <4cfa589b0711011917p77cc0e35j2c4d443283cfaa28@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 2 Nov 2007, at 03:27, Shawn Erickson wrote: > On Nov 1, 2007, at 7:17 PM, Adam Bridge wrote: > >> This sounds like the kernel bug they're talking about? > > Who is talking about what? Might be the one being discussed on pages listed by Google in response to the query leopard kernel bug unless that's some sort of insect troubling big cats. Wake me up when 10.5.5 comes along... AB From hexstar at gmail.com Thu Nov 1 19:52:15 2007 From: hexstar at gmail.com (Hex Star) Date: Thu Nov 1 19:52:19 2007 Subject: leopard losing whole directories... In-Reply-To: References: <4cfa589b0711011917p77cc0e35j2c4d443283cfaa28@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5dc6fd9e0711011952sdefabf2p4cb06d6051c6995b@mail.gmail.com> On 11/1/07, Shawn Erickson wrote: > Who is talking about what? Indeed, what kernel bug??? From shawnce at gmail.com Thu Nov 1 19:53:43 2007 From: shawnce at gmail.com (Shawn Erickson) Date: Thu Nov 1 19:55:45 2007 Subject: leopard losing whole directories... In-Reply-To: References: <4cfa589b0711011917p77cc0e35j2c4d443283cfaa28@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <77BF2BFA-8498-4E3A-8050-8AB10BED3148@gmail.com> On Nov 1, 2007, at 7:47 PM, Andrew Brown wrote: > leopard kernel bug Again be more specific... I see at least three different kernel "bugs" that have only slight correlation to what David is reporting. (if you note on of the first hits you see using that search includes and email from myself) -Shawn From hexstar at gmail.com Thu Nov 1 20:12:17 2007 From: hexstar at gmail.com (Hex Star) Date: Thu Nov 1 20:12:21 2007 Subject: update currency exchange rates in Calculator under Leopard? In-Reply-To: <43287D7F-E641-4C25-8168-D719D74D19B0@idiomatrix.com> References: <43287D7F-E641-4C25-8168-D719D74D19B0@idiomatrix.com> Message-ID: <5dc6fd9e0711012012w2aaa70c1obe6d7c372348e3ec@mail.gmail.com> On 11/1/07, David Herren wrote: > I know I must be blind... > > Where have they moved the command to update exchange rates under > Leopard? you can get exchange rates at xe.com From kcall at mac.com Thu Nov 1 20:15:54 2007 From: kcall at mac.com (Kevin Callahan) Date: Thu Nov 1 20:16:45 2007 Subject: Finder Sidebar Broken in Leopard (updated) In-Reply-To: <4F0124BE-2A75-484A-B3E5-0F801CE1995D@idiomatrix.com> References: <20071031190006.7A3841CBF59@forums.omnigroup.com> <4074AF51-5A24-4923-A726-ACB8C3D4BCA5@ucla.edu> <2C2DABE2-C142-4758-8527-BA72FDD0CD71@idiomatrix.com> <4F0124BE-2A75-484A-B3E5-0F801CE1995D@idiomatrix.com> Message-ID: <64922C07-F1E5-4719-9323-39A4C441202A@mac.com> On Nov 1, 2007, at 5:11 PM, David Herren wrote: > On Nov 1, 2007, at 3:24 PM, Karl Kuehn wrote: > >> >> I think that this is a Finder bug. I have seen it a few times and >> if I restart the Finder it always works just fine. > > Another Finder bug... about half the time now that I attempt to > eject an external drive, when it does eject the drive, the Finder > window also closes. yeah, I've seen that one, too K > (It may even be that the finder is crashing and restarting quickly-- > I haven't done anything to verify that). > > /david > > -- > david herren - shoreham, vt us na terra solsys orionarm > > Sometimes when you fill a vacuum, it still sucks. > (like the current US presidency...) > > > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-talk mailing list > MacOSX-talk@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-talk http://www.kevincallahan.org/ http://www.kevincallahan.org/software/accessorizer.html http://www.xeniamara.com/ From kcall at mac.com Thu Nov 1 20:17:28 2007 From: kcall at mac.com (Kevin Callahan) Date: Thu Nov 1 20:18:12 2007 Subject: leopard losing whole directories... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <83175752-9B6F-4E2F-B13A-EE3066D4EFDC@mac.com> On Nov 1, 2007, at 5:26 PM, David Herren wrote: > This is too strange to be a coincidence... > > You may recall in a message about Time machine yesterday I commented > on my difficulties in restoring a directory of 90+ files. I make > stupid mistakes, but I rarely delete entire directories of files > that I work on every day... > > Today, twice, entire directories have disappeared. In both cases > (and yesterday as well), the directories had been dragged into the > Finder sidebar (where they usually live since they're directories of > files I work on constantly). Both gone. No spotlight hits, nothing > in the trash. > > Time Machine recovers versions a few hours old, but I don't keep the > drive plugged in to my laptop all the time so a handful of new files > I created (and fortunately printed) have disappeared. > > Has anyone else had finder sidebar directories disappear? I haven't seen that yet, but I did have a SENT email disappear. Wonder if it's related ... K > > > /david > > -- > david herren - shoreham, vt us na terra solsys orionarm > > Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it, > misdiagnosing it and then misapplying the wrong remedies. > -Groucho Marx > > (I guess Dubya's a pretty good politician, then...) > From glennc at mac.com Thu Nov 1 20:22:13 2007 From: glennc at mac.com (Glenn Carnagey) Date: Thu Nov 1 20:33:45 2007 Subject: modifying user data under leopard In-Reply-To: <20071102001652.GA279@core-age.local> References: <90BD3113-42BF-4876-B02C-55D91906BD31@objectwerks.com> <20071029212548.GC4681@h460bb915.area7.spcsdns.net> <46508A61-9950-4ED4-A67D-96043C2A0C65@objectwerks.com> <668D19CB-DDA9-4E90-B62A-F28821482A7E@kreme.com> <42018611-DB38-48D5-87C9-C4343DBE708B@objectwerks.com> <20071102001652.GA279@core-age.local> Message-ID: <4A5615DF-4848-45EE-836A-BDAA70F605ED@mac.com> On Nov 1, 2007, at 7:16 PM, Eugene wrote: > On Thu, Nov 01, 2007 at 01:14:08PM CDT, Glenn Carnagey > wrote: >> >> my background is similar, even did the flirting probably around >> the same >> time. My first exposure were MVS on Vax and Unix on DEC Pyramids. > > You mean VAX/VMS, right? I'm only familiar with MVS on > IBM 390 boxen (stupid JCL). yeah, conflation... I do. I think I mean MVS on Amdahl, but it might've been IBM. It was all very painful and sublimated long ago -- after I was saved by the gospel of Fat Macs and Postscript! :-D g./ From shawnce at gmail.com Thu Nov 1 20:17:52 2007 From: shawnce at gmail.com (Shawn Erickson) Date: Thu Nov 1 21:18:26 2007 Subject: update currency exchange rates in Calculator under Leopard? In-Reply-To: <43287D7F-E641-4C25-8168-D719D74D19B0@idiomatrix.com> References: <43287D7F-E641-4C25-8168-D719D74D19B0@idiomatrix.com> Message-ID: <17B3AFDD-1B5D-4162-B3DE-9D0739740B18@gmail.com> On Nov 1, 2007, at 10:22 AM, David Herren wrote: > I know I must be blind... > > Where have they moved the command to update exchange rates under > Leopard? Convert menu in Calculator? At least I see it on that menu... just type in a numeric value and select currency. From mrhatken at mac.com Thu Nov 1 22:19:44 2007 From: mrhatken at mac.com (Ashley Aitken) Date: Thu Nov 1 22:21:11 2007 Subject: update currency exchange rates in Calculator under Leopard? In-Reply-To: <43287D7F-E641-4C25-8168-D719D74D19B0@idiomatrix.com> References: <43287D7F-E641-4C25-8168-D719D74D19B0@idiomatrix.com> Message-ID: <7D829852-FE51-4CDB-BD30-E80ACE91188C@mac.com> I believe the Unit Converter widget does it automatically (daily?). I would hope it shares the cached values with Calculator (but I wouldn't bet on it). Cheers, Ashley. On 02/11/2007, at 2:22 AM, David Herren wrote: > I know I must be blind... > > Where have they moved the command to update exchange rates under > Leopard? > > /david > > -- > david herren - shoreham, vt us na terra solsys orionarm > > "I'm hopeful. I know there is a lot of ambition in Washington, > obviously. But I hope the ambitious realize that they are more > likely to succeed with success as opposed to failure." > > -George W. Bush, AP interview, Jan 18, 2001 > > > > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-talk mailing list > MacOSX-talk@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-talk > From dave at difference.com.au Thu Nov 1 23:44:29 2007 From: dave at difference.com.au (David Cake) Date: Thu Nov 1 23:45:40 2007 Subject: iTWire - Mac malware bends browsers to suspect sites In-Reply-To: <5dc6fd9e0711011734n98516e6o935f648e42bf8620@mail.gmail.com> References: <5dc6fd9e0711011734n98516e6o935f648e42bf8620@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: At 5:34 PM -0700 1/11/07, Hex Star wrote: >On 11/1/07, Kevin Callahan wrote: >> >> >> http://www.itwire.com/content/view/15133/53/ >> >> > > http://www.macworld.com/2007/10/firstlooks/trojanhorse/index.php > >If a user is dumb enough to download random software off the internet, >extract it, run it and then enter their administrative credentials >then IMO they deserve to have their system owned. Everyone else is >safe :) Sure, but reporting an active attempt to exploit this variety stupid is useful and valid, and attempting to find ways to close the effectiveness of the exploit is valid too. I don't think we should be too dismissive of 'oh, this only affects stupid people, therefore it doesn't matter'. In this case, while you might be foolish to download something that purports codec from a random porn site, plenty of us would download codecs from sites that we have nothing but (probably fakable to some degree) social evidence for the validity of - eg, I downloaded and installed Perian just because a few sites I read and trust to be fairly clueful (Daring Fireball possible?) recommended it was a good idea. Its worth considering how Apple could use, say, the file system events watching capabilitiies (FSEvents) used by Time Machine to pick up odd and important changes to the file system and inform users of that - changes to the root cron tab, and changes to DNS setttings, are both things that I wouldn't mind being informed about when they happen, even if it means I get a few alerts when its intended behaviour every now and then. Apple already has mechanisms to authenticate its own apps, etc. Anyone know if any apps along these lines exist? Its possibly an example of how Apples approach to system level authentication is less secure than Microsofts in Vista - its my vague understanding, given that I don't use Vista much, that its harder to make one single password authentication validate a variety of unannounced system changes like this? Which isn't to say that the user experience gains from Apples approach might not make it a reasonable choice - when Apple and Microsoft make different tradeoffs, it doesn't mean one is clearly correct. Cheers David From jeremy.dronfield at virgin.net Fri Nov 2 03:31:02 2007 From: jeremy.dronfield at virgin.net (Jeremy Dronfield) Date: Fri Nov 2 03:31:22 2007 Subject: update currency exchange rates in Calculator under Leopard? In-Reply-To: <43287D7F-E641-4C25-8168-D719D74D19B0@idiomatrix.com> References: <43287D7F-E641-4C25-8168-D719D74D19B0@idiomatrix.com> Message-ID: It's done automatically when you launch Calculator, and possibly at some timed interval thereafter.[1] (I'd noticed a delay in Calculator launch - this is the reason for it.) If you select Convert > Currency? you get the sheet that gives you the popup buttons for selecting currencies. Underneath it says: "Last Updated: ". Interestingly, you now also get a disclaimer: "Currency exchange provided by Yahoo! Finance. Actual conversion rates may vary." -Jeremy [1] Experience suggests it might happen once daily. On 1 Nov 2007, at 5:22 pm, David Herren wrote: > I know I must be blind... > > Where have they moved the command to update exchange rates under > Leopard? > > /david From david at idiomatrix.com Fri Nov 2 04:54:15 2007 From: david at idiomatrix.com (David Herren) Date: Fri Nov 2 04:54:34 2007 Subject: update currency exchange rates in Calculator under Leopard? In-Reply-To: <17B3AFDD-1B5D-4162-B3DE-9D0739740B18@gmail.com> References: <43287D7F-E641-4C25-8168-D719D74D19B0@idiomatrix.com> <17B3AFDD-1B5D-4162-B3DE-9D0739740B18@gmail.com> Message-ID: <6404A3A2-6243-4B66-9EE6-E10FE20AB990@idiomatrix.com> On Nov 1, 2007, at 11:17 PM, Shawn Erickson wrote: >> >> I know I must be blind... >> >> Where have they moved the command to update exchange rates under >> Leopard? > > Convert menu in Calculator? At least I see it on that menu... just > type in a numeric value and select currency. No, no no... Under 10.4, in the Convert menu was a menu item which forced Calculator to connect somewhere and update it's currency exchange rate tables. Under 10.5, that menu item is gone. Converting specific currencies is certainly still there, but I don't see a way to force an update of the exchange rates within Calculator. Another responder has suggested that Calculator under 10.5 updates itself automatically and one doesnt' have to manually update the rates any longer...that seems reasonable, but I'd like to have confirmation of that since I have to convert currencies on a fairly regular basis. /david -- david herren - shoreham, vt us na terra solsys orionarm "We must have the attitude that every child in America--regardless of where they're raised or how they're born--can learn." -George W. Bush, New Britain, CT, Apr 18, 2001 From dp.chaoswerks at gmail.com Fri Nov 2 04:57:33 2007 From: dp.chaoswerks at gmail.com (David P. Henderson) Date: Fri Nov 2 04:57:44 2007 Subject: Finder Sidebar Broken in Leopard (updated) In-Reply-To: <4F0124BE-2A75-484A-B3E5-0F801CE1995D@idiomatrix.com> References: <20071031190006.7A3841CBF59@forums.omnigroup.com> <4074AF51-5A24-4923-A726-ACB8C3D4BCA5@ucla.edu> <2C2DABE2-C142-4758-8527-BA72FDD0CD71@idiomatrix.com> <4F0124BE-2A75-484A-B3E5-0F801CE1995D@idiomatrix.com> Message-ID: <01CC620E-6C46-4D9E-87AF-50F25444DA93@gmail.com> On 01 Nov 2007, at 20:11, David Herren wrote: > Another Finder bug... about half the time now that I attempt to > eject an external drive, when it does eject the drive, the Finder > window also closes. (It may even be that the finder is crashing and > restarting quickly--I haven't done anything to verify that). > Is the window that closes also displaying the contents of the drive being ejected? Dave -- Chaoswerks Design "Imagination is more important than knowledge." - Albert Einstein From kremels at kreme.com Fri Nov 2 05:27:22 2007 From: kremels at kreme.com (LuKreme) Date: Fri Nov 2 05:27:34 2007 Subject: Getting rid of US keyboard in Leopard In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <68DE1ED8-C38D-4F77-B635-CB875D08F4DE@kreme.com> On 1-Nov-2007, at 18:36, Michael Grant wrote: > So it seems that one of those three (US, US Unicode, or Unicode Hex) > always has to be on. No, those are just the examples I used. One of something has to be on. but I just set the keyboard to spanish and turned everything else off. Worked fine. Now it's Romanian, though I see no difference off the top of my head. Ah the square brackets are ? and ?. -- I'm no psychologist (although I play one when I'm picking up chicks over by the asylum) From kremels at kreme.com Fri Nov 2 05:30:38 2007 From: kremels at kreme.com (LuKreme) Date: Fri Nov 2 05:30:42 2007 Subject: iTWire - Mac malware bends browsers to suspect sites In-Reply-To: References: <5dc6fd9e0711011734n98516e6o935f648e42bf8620@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <53D1F7FE-794B-4113-A335-94D8EA71EE5D@kreme.com> On 2-Nov-2007, at 00:44, David Cake wrote: > At 5:34 PM -0700 1/11/07, Hex Star wrote: >> On 11/1/07, Kevin Callahan wrote: >>> http://www.itwire.com/content/view/15133/53/ >>> http://www.macworld.com/2007/10/firstlooks/trojanhorse/index.php >> >> If a user is dumb enough to download random software off the >> internet, >> extract it, run it and then enter their administrative credentials >> then IMO they deserve to have their system owned. Everyone else is >> safe :) > > Sure, but reporting an active attempt to exploit this variety > stupid is useful and valid, and attempting to find ways to close the > effectiveness of the exploit is valid too. But there is no way to close this type of hole. As long as the user has admin access to the machine something like this can always happen. > Its worth considering how Apple could use, say, the file system > events watching capabilitiies (FSEvents) used by Time Machine to > pick up odd and important changes to the file system and inform > users of that - changes to the root cron tab, and changes to DNS > setttings, are both things that I wouldn't mind being informed about > when they happen, even if it means I get a few alerts when its > intended behaviour every now and then. That's not a bad idea, but where do you stop? What is considered 'dangerous' and what is merely 'annoying'? OK, I think changes to root's crontab are worth flagging with a, "Hey, we noticed this potentially critical system file changed" warning next time Time Machine fires up, but do we really want DNS changes to generate a warning? Your DNS can change when your ISP changes you DHCP address, so how often is that? Often enough that the 'warning' simply becomes annoying? But the fact is, this 'trojan' is merely an annoyance. It does no damage. And it's only SLIGHTLY more annoying that flash animation banner ads, and I don't see too many people doing anything about those. -- "Give a man a fire and he's warm for a day, but set fire to him and he's warm for the rest of his life." From kremels at kreme.com Fri Nov 2 05:36:22 2007 From: kremels at kreme.com (LuKreme) Date: Fri Nov 2 05:36:26 2007 Subject: update currency exchange rates in Calculator under Leopard? In-Reply-To: <6404A3A2-6243-4B66-9EE6-E10FE20AB990@idiomatrix.com> References: <43287D7F-E641-4C25-8168-D719D74D19B0@idiomatrix.com> <17B3AFDD-1B5D-4162-B3DE-9D0739740B18@gmail.com> <6404A3A2-6243-4B66-9EE6-E10FE20AB990@idiomatrix.com> Message-ID: On 2-Nov-2007, at 05:54, David Herren wrote: > Another responder has suggested that Calculator under 10.5 updates > itself automatically and one doesnt' have to manually update the > rates any longer...that seems reasonable, but I'd like to have > confirmation of that since I have to convert currencies on a fairly > regular basis I can say that yesterday Google and Calculator disagreed on how much money $100 was worth. Google was a go ?0.30 higher than calculator. I stopped using calculator for currency conversions yonks ago though. I use launchbar to access google's converter: goo space 100 usd in euro return 100 U.S. dollars = 69.213732 Euros calculator: 69.0869987 only about ?0.13 today. xe.com says: 100.00 USD = 69.1173 EUR -- It was long ago and it was far away / And it was so much better than it is today From kremels at kreme.com Fri Nov 2 05:37:39 2007 From: kremels at kreme.com (LuKreme) Date: Fri Nov 2 05:37:42 2007 Subject: Finder Sidebar Broken in Leopard (updated) In-Reply-To: <4F0124BE-2A75-484A-B3E5-0F801CE1995D@idiomatrix.com> References: <20071031190006.7A3841CBF59@forums.omnigroup.com> <4074AF51-5A24-4923-A726-ACB8C3D4BCA5@ucla.edu> <2C2DABE2-C142-4758-8527-BA72FDD0CD71@idiomatrix.com> <4F0124BE-2A75-484A-B3E5-0F801CE1995D@idiomatrix.com> Message-ID: <0B3F1298-A8D3-4F91-81A7-31E74179E741@kreme.com> On 1-Nov-2007, at 18:11, David Herren wrote: > about half the time now that I attempt to eject an external drive, > when it does eject the drive, the Finder window also closes. OS X has always done that, if the window was tied to that drive (ie, that was the window that opened when the drive was first accessed). -- These budget numbers are not just estimates, these are the actual results for the fiscal year that ended February the 30th. --- President Chimpboy From charles.dyer at gmail.com Fri Nov 2 06:21:46 2007 From: charles.dyer at gmail.com (Charles Dyer) Date: Fri Nov 2 06:21:50 2007 Subject: Finder Sidebar Broken in Leopard (updated) In-Reply-To: <0B3F1298-A8D3-4F91-81A7-31E74179E741@kreme.com> References: <20071031190006.7A3841CBF59@forums.omnigroup.com> <4074AF51-5A24-4923-A726-ACB8C3D4BCA5@ucla.edu> <2C2DABE2-C142-4758-8527-BA72FDD0CD71@idiomatrix.com> <4F0124BE-2A75-484A-B3E5-0F801CE1995D@idiomatrix.com> <0B3F1298-A8D3-4F91-81A7-31E74179E741@kreme.com> Message-ID: On 02 Nov 2007, at 08:37:39, LuKreme wrote: > On 1-Nov-2007, at 18:11, David Herren wrote: >> about half the time now that I attempt to eject an external drive, >> when it does eject the drive, the Finder window also closes. > > > OS X has always done that, if the window was tied to that drive (ie, > that was the window that opened when the drive was first accessed). Yes. Now it's doing it even when the window is _not_ tied to that drive. Not always, but often enough to be annoying. From mgrant at gmail.com Fri Nov 2 06:59:37 2007 From: mgrant at gmail.com (Michael Grant) Date: Fri Nov 2 06:59:42 2007 Subject: Getting rid of US keyboard in Leopard In-Reply-To: <68DE1ED8-C38D-4F77-B635-CB875D08F4DE@kreme.com> References: <68DE1ED8-C38D-4F77-B635-CB875D08F4DE@kreme.com> Message-ID: Huh. Well, I'm not going to invest any more time into figuring out exactly what the pattern is, but it looks like certain keyboards have some kind of dependencies on others, so that if one of them is active, at least one of another category also has to be on. At least, there are some that can't be the only one active (including the one I'd really prefer to use). Michael On 11/2/07, LuKreme wrote: > > On 1-Nov-2007, at 18:36, Michael Grant wrote: > > > So it seems that one of those three (US, US Unicode, or Unicode Hex) > > always has to be on. > > No, those are just the examples I used. One of something has to be > on. but I just set the keyboard to spanish and turned everything else > off. Worked fine. > > Now it's Romanian, though I see no difference off the top of my head. > Ah the square brackets are ? and ?. > > -- > I'm no psychologist (although I play one when I'm picking up chicks > over by the asylum) > > > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-talk mailing list > MacOSX-talk@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-talk > -- I never metadata I didn't like. From shawnce at gmail.com Fri Nov 2 08:06:20 2007 From: shawnce at gmail.com (Shawn Erickson) Date: Fri Nov 2 08:07:58 2007 Subject: update currency exchange rates in Calculator under Leopard? In-Reply-To: <6404A3A2-6243-4B66-9EE6-E10FE20AB990@idiomatrix.com> References: <43287D7F-E641-4C25-8168-D719D74D19B0@idiomatrix.com> <17B3AFDD-1B5D-4162-B3DE-9D0739740B18@gmail.com> <6404A3A2-6243-4B66-9EE6-E10FE20AB990@idiomatrix.com> Message-ID: <7126B3A3-13FA-4AD0-9A58-A329903B7FE7@gmail.com> On Nov 2, 2007, at 4:54 AM, David Herren wrote: > On Nov 1, 2007, at 11:17 PM, Shawn Erickson wrote: > >>> >>> I know I must be blind... >>> >>> Where have they moved the command to update exchange rates under >>> Leopard? >> >> Convert menu in Calculator? At least I see it on that menu... just >> type in a numeric value and select currency. > > No, no no... Under 10.4, in the Convert menu was a menu item which > forced Calculator to connect somewhere and update it's currency > exchange rate tables. Under 10.5, that menu item is gone. Converting > specific currencies is certainly still there, but I don't see a way > to force an update of the exchange rates within Calculator. > > Another responder has suggested that Calculator under 10.5 updates > itself automatically and one doesnt' have to manually update the > rates any longer...that seems reasonable, but I'd like to have > confirmation of that since I have to convert currencies on a fairly > regular basis. Look at the convert sheet that comes up when you select convert... -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Everyone else is >>> safe :) >> >> Sure, but reporting an active attempt to exploit this variety >> stupid is useful and valid, and attempting to find ways to close >> the effectiveness of the exploit is valid too. > > But there is no way to close this type of hole. As long as the user > has admin access to the machine something like this can always happen. > >> Its worth considering how Apple could use, say, the file system >> events watching capabilitiies (FSEvents) used by Time Machine to >> pick up odd and important changes to the file system and inform >> users of that - changes to the root cron tab, and changes to DNS >> setttings, are both things that I wouldn't mind being informed >> about when they happen, even if it means I get a few alerts when >> its intended behaviour every now and then. > > That's not a bad idea, but where do you stop? What is considered > 'dangerous' and what is merely 'annoying'? > > OK, I think changes to root's crontab are worth flagging with a, > "Hey, we noticed this potentially critical system file changed" > warning next time Time Machine fires up, but do we really want DNS > changes to generate a warning? Your DNS can change when your ISP > changes you DHCP address, so how often is that? Often enough that > the 'warning' simply becomes annoying? > > But the fact is, this 'trojan' is merely an annoyance. It does no > damage. And it's only SLIGHTLY more annoying that flash animation > banner ads, and I don't see too many people doing anything about > those. I'm thinking more about the effects of the perception and that the rags are essentially celebrating it. k From mgrant at gmail.com Fri Nov 2 09:05:32 2007 From: mgrant at gmail.com (Michael Grant) Date: Fri Nov 2 09:05:34 2007 Subject: Leopard: Command-S not working in some apps!? Message-ID: OK, this is probably due to some semi-compatible hack I have installed, and I haven't done any comprehensive testing yet, but I was hoping someone here would recognize this. Since installing Leopard I'm finding that typing command-s to save in some applications does nothing and I have to save by either clicking a toolbar icon or choosing from the File menu. I've noticed this in Excel 2004 and BBEdit (this week's update, don't have the version number handy). I also don't have keyboard access to menus through control-F2 in those apps, although I do have it activated in the prefpane and it works elsewhere. I haven't found any other keyboard commands that are affected. Before I go through a laborious process of moving things back and forth out of my Library and repeatedly logging in and out to try to isolate a conflict (assuming it's not actually a bug in the OS, which someone else would surely have noticed before now), does anyone here have any idea what's going on? TIA, Michael -- I never metadata I didn't like. From david at idiomatrix.com Fri Nov 2 10:03:30 2007 From: david at idiomatrix.com (David Herren) Date: Fri Nov 2 10:03:52 2007 Subject: Finder Sidebar Broken in Leopard (updated) In-Reply-To: <01CC620E-6C46-4D9E-87AF-50F25444DA93@gmail.com> References: <20071031190006.7A3841CBF59@forums.omnigroup.com> <4074AF51-5A24-4923-A726-ACB8C3D4BCA5@ucla.edu> <2C2DABE2-C142-4758-8527-BA72FDD0CD71@idiomatrix.com> <4F0124BE-2A75-484A-B3E5-0F801CE1995D@idiomatrix.com> <01CC620E-6C46-4D9E-87AF-50F25444DA93@gmail.com> Message-ID: <37E0CD02-A65D-4C02-A7E9-0E3267563196@idiomatrix.com> On Nov 2, 2007, at 7:57 AM, David P. Henderson wrote: > Is the window that closes also displaying the contents of the drive > being ejected? Good question. I'll test a bit later. I have no external drives with me at this location. Of course 10.4 didn't close the window or restart the Finder when you ejected a disk with content showing in column view--it just changed the view back to the home directory. /david -- david herren - shoreham, vt us na terra solsys orionarm Nationalism is an infantile disease. It is the measles of mankind. -- Albert Einstein From david at idiomatrix.com Fri Nov 2 10:06:10 2007 From: david at idiomatrix.com (David Herren) Date: Fri Nov 2 10:07:06 2007 Subject: Finder Sidebar Broken in Leopard (updated) In-Reply-To: <0B3F1298-A8D3-4F91-81A7-31E74179E741@kreme.com> References: <20071031190006.7A3841CBF59@forums.omnigroup.com> <4074AF51-5A24-4923-A726-ACB8C3D4BCA5@ucla.edu> <2C2DABE2-C142-4758-8527-BA72FDD0CD71@idiomatrix.com> <4F0124BE-2A75-484A-B3E5-0F801CE1995D@idiomatrix.com> <0B3F1298-A8D3-4F91-81A7-31E74179E741@kreme.com> Message-ID: <571B5D31-7C17-401E-B58B-FEF40F970381@idiomatrix.com> On Nov 2, 2007, at 8:37 AM, LuKreme wrote: > On 1-Nov-2007, at 18:11, David Herren wrote: >> about half the time now that I attempt to eject an external drive, >> when it does eject the drive, the Finder window also closes. > > > OS X has always done that, if the window was tied to that drive (ie, > that was the window that opened when the drive was first accessed). That has _defintely_ not been my experience. I always work in a single finder window in column mode (the nextstep way). Ejecting a volume has always, until now, just reverted to displaying the home directory without closing the one and only Finder window. /david -- david herren, shoreham, vt us na terra solsys orionarm "Encuentra la felicidad en tu trabajo o nunca ser?s fel?z." -- Crist?bal Col?n From davec2468 at aim.com Fri Nov 2 10:05:55 2007 From: davec2468 at aim.com (davec) Date: Fri Nov 2 10:47:34 2007 Subject: Leopard: Command-S not working in some apps!? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: >OK, this is probably due to some semi-compatible hack >[...] >Michael What Mac? What keyboard? From mgrant at gmail.com Fri Nov 2 11:04:59 2007 From: mgrant at gmail.com (Michael Grant) Date: Fri Nov 2 11:05:10 2007 Subject: Leopard: Command-S not working in some apps!? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Found it -- the problem was a corrupted Quicksilver trigger. Thanks! Michael On 11/2/07, davec wrote: > >OK, this is probably due to some semi-compatible hack > >[...] > >Michael > > What Mac? What keyboard? > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-talk mailing list > MacOSX-talk@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-talk > -- I never metadata I didn't like. From robertlaferla at comcast.net Fri Nov 2 16:57:12 2007 From: robertlaferla at comcast.net (Robert La Ferla) Date: Fri Nov 2 17:04:17 2007 Subject: Security experts knock spots off Mac OS X Leopard firewall | The Register Message-ID: "The Mac OS X Leopard firewall failed every test." ouch indeed... http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/11/02/leopard_security_analysis/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /mailman/archive/macosx-talk/attachments/20071102/417bc2a7/attachment.html From newslists at autonomy.caltech.edu Fri Nov 2 18:08:14 2007 From: newslists at autonomy.caltech.edu (R.L. Grigg) Date: Fri Nov 2 18:08:19 2007 Subject: iTWire - Mac malware bends browsers to suspect sites In-Reply-To: <53D1F7FE-794B-4113-A335-94D8EA71EE5D@kreme.com> References: <5dc6fd9e0711011734n98516e6o935f648e42bf8620@mail.gmail.com> <53D1F7FE-794B-4113-A335-94D8EA71EE5D@kreme.com> Message-ID: <39F52696-3A0D-4968-92FD-96A95C37FAD6@autonomy.caltech.edu> On Nov 2, 2007, at 5:30 AM, LuKreme wrote: > But the fact is, this 'trojan' is merely an annoyance. It does no > damage. And it's only SLIGHTLY more annoying that flash animation > banner ads, and I don't see too many people doing anything about > those. Yes _this_ one happens to be a mere annoyance and does no damage, but would you be singing the same tune if it _was_ damaging? The mechanism involved could have installed anything at all - a virus, malware, a rootkit, etc. Not that its OSX's fault per se, this "exploit" would work equally on any OS. But more visibility into system level changes would certainly be a good thing for OSX, perhaps something like a Time Machine type of backup mechanism for the system, but on an event-driven level. Russ From kremels at kreme.com Fri Nov 2 22:18:05 2007 From: kremels at kreme.com (LuKreme) Date: Fri Nov 2 22:18:09 2007 Subject: iTWire - Mac malware bends browsers to suspect sites In-Reply-To: <39F52696-3A0D-4968-92FD-96A95C37FAD6@autonomy.caltech.edu> References: <5dc6fd9e0711011734n98516e6o935f648e42bf8620@mail.gmail.com> <53D1F7FE-794B-4113-A335-94D8EA71EE5D@kreme.com> <39F52696-3A0D-4968-92FD-96A95C37FAD6@autonomy.caltech.edu> Message-ID: <39533F1A-B684-41A7-9B2A-97E84EA0B88D@kreme.com> On 2-Nov-2007, at 19:08, R.L. Grigg wrote: > On Nov 2, 2007, at 5:30 AM, LuKreme wrote: >> But the fact is, this 'trojan' is merely an annoyance. It does no >> damage. And it's only SLIGHTLY more annoying that flash animation >> banner ads, and I don't see too many people doing anything about >> those. > > Yes _this_ one happens to be a mere annoyance and does no damage, > but would you be singing the same tune if it _was_ damaging? The > mechanism involved could have installed anything at all - a virus, > malware, a rootkit, etc. There are no viruses for OS X, so I don't see how it could have installed one. But yes, you give an app your admin password and it can do ANYTHING. That is the whole point. > Not that its OSX's fault per se, this "exploit" would work equally > on any OS. But more visibility into system level changes would > certainly be a good thing for OSX, perhaps something like a Time > Machine type of backup mechanism for the system, but on an event- > driven level. I think checking the admin crontabs and startup items automatically via Time Machine is an excellent idea. -- ++?????++ Out of Cheese Error. Redo From Start. From scott at cocoadoc.com Sat Nov 3 00:23:49 2007 From: scott at cocoadoc.com (Scott Anguish) Date: Sat Nov 3 00:23:53 2007 Subject: Is it possible to see all the events in a given group at once in iCal? Message-ID: <90C088A7-66F8-47D2-A215-04E9B120A082@cocoadoc.com> I can't remember what is in several of my groups. And turning all the other calendars off and browsing through them just isn't practical. I'd like to be able to see sort of the 'search results' list, but without specifying a search. It this possible? From andrew.brown at c18.net Sat Nov 3 07:02:47 2007 From: andrew.brown at c18.net (Andrew Brown) Date: Sat Nov 3 07:02:54 2007 Subject: Airport kindergarten Message-ID: <2A783177-9827-4AFA-84C0-89A5403B0388@c18.net> Have been trying to add a drive to my network by connecting it to my Airport Extreme but it looks as if I have fallen into the familiar Apple pit, "change the product but keep the name". My Airport Extreme is at least a couple of years old, do I need one of the newest ? AB From charles.dyer at gmail.com Sat Nov 3 07:56:03 2007 From: charles.dyer at gmail.com (Charles Dyer) Date: Sat Nov 3 07:56:15 2007 Subject: Airport kindergarten In-Reply-To: <2A783177-9827-4AFA-84C0-89A5403B0388@c18.net> References: <2A783177-9827-4AFA-84C0-89A5403B0388@c18.net> Message-ID: <67E32EC3-36EF-4914-BD29-28C716788865@gmail.com> On 03 Nov 2007, at 10:02:47, Andrew Brown wrote: > Have been trying to add a drive to my network by connecting it to my > Airport Extreme but it looks as if I have fallen into the familiar > Apple pit, "change the product but keep the name". My Airport > Extreme is at least a couple of years old, do I need one of the > newest ? > What problem are you having? From mark at bbprojects.net Sat Nov 3 08:50:28 2007 From: mark at bbprojects.net (Mark Smith) Date: Sat Nov 3 08:50:38 2007 Subject: Airport kindergarten In-Reply-To: <2A783177-9827-4AFA-84C0-89A5403B0388@c18.net> References: <2A783177-9827-4AFA-84C0-89A5403B0388@c18.net> Message-ID: <0CE6C463-B296-4AFE-A40D-9CDB66D58B8C@bbprojects.net> On 03.11.2007, at 15:02, Andrew Brown wrote: > Have been trying to add a drive to my network by connecting it to my > Airport Extreme but it looks as if I have fallen into the familiar > Apple pit, "change the product but keep the name". My Airport > Extreme is at least a couple of years old, do I need one of the > newest ? On the older models, the USB port could only be used for a printer. Disks could be connected via ethernet (e.g. a NAS disk). The newest model has the facility to add disks to the LAN via USB. Apple did make it very clear when the new model came out that it had the *new* airdisk feature. Mark. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/pkcs7-signature Size: 2421 bytes Desc: not available Url : /mailman/archive/macosx-talk/attachments/20071103/c6d4aa33/smime.bin From kcall at mac.com Sat Nov 3 10:10:50 2007 From: kcall at mac.com (Kevin Callahan) Date: Sat Nov 3 10:10:54 2007 Subject: Threading in Mail (Leopard) Message-ID: <937BEC2D-B0AB-4424-B8D0-32F5AA94C24C@mac.com> The new Mail is much faster than Mail in Tiger. But, has anyone noticed that if you receive some pictures in Mail and use Quicklook to add them to iPhoto, you can't continue reading other messages while the photos are being added to iPhoto? Would be nice if adding photos could be done on a separate thread. K From hexstar at gmail.com Sat Nov 3 13:54:45 2007 From: hexstar at gmail.com (Hex Star) Date: Sat Nov 3 13:54:50 2007 Subject: Airport kindergarten In-Reply-To: <2A783177-9827-4AFA-84C0-89A5403B0388@c18.net> References: <2A783177-9827-4AFA-84C0-89A5403B0388@c18.net> Message-ID: <5dc6fd9e0711031354s27ab9e85i4b4ea2e7143d754f@mail.gmail.com> On 11/3/07, Andrew Brown wrote: > Have been trying to add a drive to my network by connecting it to my > Airport Extreme but it looks as if I have fallen into the familiar > Apple pit, "change the product but keep the name". My Airport Extreme > is at least a couple of years old, do I need one of the newest ? Your USB port likely only supports printers, not drives so yes you do need one of the newest I'm afraid From kcall at mac.com Sat Nov 3 14:03:08 2007 From: kcall at mac.com (Kevin Callahan) Date: Sat Nov 3 14:03:15 2007 Subject: fans under Leopard Message-ID: <50CF96CA-B8F5-471C-A5F8-7B93A30FCA01@mac.com> I used to be able to record in my studio using a MacBookPro - now, with Leopard, the fans are running loud almost all the time - same usage patterns I didn't used to monitor fan speeds as the fans rarely came on under Tiger- my load avg.s are not too high - Load Avg: 0.64, 0.62, 0.62 wonder if these are typical for others since moving to Leopard fans in MBPro with 256M ATI Left: 6001 Right: 5990 temp: (8k graphic for temps): Processes: 78 total, 5 running, 4 stuck, 69 sleeping... 367 threads 13:57:57 Load Avg: 0.64, 0.62, 0.62 CPU usage: 13.90% user, 11.21% sys, 74.89% idle SharedLibs: num = 9, resident = 51M code, 0 data, 3716K linkedit. MemRegions: num = 19578, resident = 1055M + 17M private, 274M shared. PhysMem: 259M wired, 1179M active, 301M inactive, 1739M used, 303M free. VM: 14G + 368M 549797(0) pageins, 122410(0) pageouts PID COMMAND %CPU TIME #TH #PRTS #MREGS RPRVT RSHRD RSIZE VSIZE 3037 Xcode 0.0% 0:01.95 6 124 467 22M 8524K 35M 531M 3035 quicklookd 0.0% 0:04.43 10 326 1165 25M 13M 38M 404M 3028 mdworker 0.0% 0:00.17 3 51 32 628K 4028K 2480K 33M 3015 top 9.7% 1:39.25 1 21 29 1672K 200K 2260K 18M 3000 DashboardC 0.0% 0:02.72 4 166 195 11M 9172K 17M 360M 2991 mdworker 0.0% 0:01.07 4 73 82 2904K 6604K 8208K 38M 2937 SyncServer 0.0% 0:03.18 2 52 83 13M 4068K 15M 39M 2754 Image Capt 0.0% 0:02.00 2 90 58 1216K 2668K 3696K 290M 2753 iPhoto 0.1% 0:43.79 10 145 702 186M 23M 198M 580M 2143 Transcribe 0.9% 11:32.94 5 205 320 20M 18M 23M 408M 2136 iTunes 0.0% 6:25.96 9 290 1222 22M 21M 38M 491M 2040 EyeTV 21.1% 74:20.39 25 1025 1379 71M 60M 113M 707M 2038 Safari 7.4% 52:40.09 18 410 2111 245M 55M 300M 827M 863 DashboardC 0.0% 0:09.56 4 152 403 32M 18M 43M 411M 346 AppleSpell 0.0% 0:06.28 1 60 32 384K 5516K 5100K 34M 319 Mail 0.1% 12:38.70 17 451 837 49M 48M 111M 586M 247 iChatAgent 0.0% 0:00.83 2 69 76 3172K 1888K 4444K 289M 236 CrossOver 0.0% 0:00.08 1 53 40 396K 4568K 2020K 292M 235 bash 0.0% 0:00.01 1 14 20 144K 184K 620K 18M 231 login 0.0% 0:00.01 1 17 56 0 188K 512K 19M 228 usbmuxd 0.0% 0:00.00 2 21 27 52K 184K 460K 19M 227 BusySync 0.0% 0:19.85 6 598 898 198M 7236K 200M 596M 225 SpeechSynt 0.0% 0:09.63 7 186 147 2880K 12M 12M 379M 224 AirPort Ba 0.0% 0:00.10 3 75 104 380K 2516K 1940K 322M 223 iTunesHelp 0.0% 0:00.12 2 51 50 204K 2432K 1524K 291M 222 EyeTV Help 0.0% 0:07.64 1 155 51 712K 4656K 2204K 293M 220 Terminal 0.8% 0:12.66 3 101 162 1788K 12M 8976K 361M 219 LaunchBar 0.0% 1:05.97 3 99 272 34M 10M 38M 417M 181 ATSServer 0.0% 0:11.06 2 120 178 1180K 8856K 6588K 82M 180 Finder 0.0% 2:16.15 13 378 1170 39M 36M 65M 563M 179 SystemUISe 0.0% 0:15.02 12 422 439 5560K 11M 11M 370M 175 pboard 0.0% 0:00.00 1 15 24 36K 184K 348K 19M 174 Dock 0.0% 0:08.89 3 193 453 3368K 14M 11M 384M 173 UserEventA 0.0% 0:00.73 3 239 111 356K 4392K 2164K 27M 172 Spotlight 0.0% 0:00.26 2 77 89 644K 4696K 2640K 294M 170 AppleVNCSe 0.0% 0:00.09 2 58 43 156K 2976K 1196K 283M 166 Folder Act 0.0% 0:00.38 1 56 48 476K 4588K 2096K 292M 164 MOTU Audio 0.2% 2:52.17 2 237 158 1440K 8220K 4788K 347M 117 coreaudiod 0.0% 0:01.56 3 240 90 1540K 2484K 3332K 26M 116 VNCPrivile 0.0% 0:00.00 1 16 25 0 188K 348K 19M 105 EyeConnect 0.0% 0:25.20 1 8 23 20K 184K 184K 19M 102 qmasterd 0.0% 0:00.04 2 24 53 0 420K 964K 23M 101 qmasterd 0.0% 0:00.05 1 16 51 0 416K 932K 23M 100 EyeConnect 0.0% 0:04.02 4 69 124 324K 5204K 1984K 80M 93 openinfo 0.0% 0:00.60 3 27 34 140K 1840K 880K 29M 92 openexec 0.0% 0:00.96 4 46 34 128K 1840K 860K 30M 87 launchd 0.0% 0:05.82 3 244 25 188K 288K 508K 18M 82 krb5kdc 0.0% 0:00.04 1 17 44 0 188K 500K 18M 80 WindowServ 3.1% 15:13.11 4 386 1744 10M+ 122M 133M + 542M+ 74 coreservic 0.0% 0:07.18 4 252 378 1508K 9208K 10M 60M 52 openmonito 0.0% 0:10.51 2 18 30 36K 232K 560K 19M 51 socketfilt 0.0% 0:00.16 2 27 23 140K 200K 788K 18M 50 autofsd 0.0% 0:00.01 1 21 19 24K 184K 448K 18M 49 blued 0.0% 0:00.76 1 94 40 428K 2180K 1624K 28M 45 diskarbitr 0.0% 0:01.65 1 249 20 480K 188K 1072K 18M 44 bfobserver 0.0% 0:00.00 2 23 25 0 184K 408K 19M 42 dynamic_pa 0.0% 0:00.18 1 17 21 40K 184K 492K 18M 41 fseventsd 0.0% 0:23.32 13 87 82 836K 184K 1368K 26M 40 hidd 0.0% 0:00.00 1 23 19 0 184K 360K 18M -------------- next part -------------- Skipped content of type multipart/related From hexstar at gmail.com Sat Nov 3 14:19:30 2007 From: hexstar at gmail.com (Hex Star) Date: Sat Nov 3 14:19:33 2007 Subject: fans under Leopard In-Reply-To: <50CF96CA-B8F5-471C-A5F8-7B93A30FCA01@mac.com> References: <50CF96CA-B8F5-471C-A5F8-7B93A30FCA01@mac.com> Message-ID: <5dc6fd9e0711031419q269044ddje927f40be21f1d0d@mail.gmail.com> Do you really need EyeTV open while recording? From kcall at mac.com Sat Nov 3 14:22:12 2007 From: kcall at mac.com (Kevin Callahan) Date: Sat Nov 3 14:22:18 2007 Subject: fans under Leopard In-Reply-To: <5dc6fd9e0711031419q269044ddje927f40be21f1d0d@mail.gmail.com> References: <50CF96CA-B8F5-471C-A5F8-7B93A30FCA01@mac.com> <5dc6fd9e0711031419q269044ddje927f40be21f1d0d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <0D326AB6-70EF-4175-9F00-58153A8C3782@mac.com> On Nov 3, 2007, at 2:19 PM, Hex Star wrote: > Do you really need EyeTV open while recording? sometimes, yes and it hasn't been a problem in the past k From hexstar at gmail.com Sat Nov 3 14:37:18 2007 From: hexstar at gmail.com (Hex Star) Date: Sat Nov 3 14:37:23 2007 Subject: Finder Sidebar Broken in Leopard (updated) In-Reply-To: <571B5D31-7C17-401E-B58B-FEF40F970381@idiomatrix.com> References: <20071031190006.7A3841CBF59@forums.omnigroup.com> <4074AF51-5A24-4923-A726-ACB8C3D4BCA5@ucla.edu> <2C2DABE2-C142-4758-8527-BA72FDD0CD71@idiomatrix.com> <4F0124BE-2A75-484A-B3E5-0F801CE1995D@idiomatrix.com> <0B3F1298-A8D3-4F91-81A7-31E74179E741@kreme.com> <571B5D31-7C17-401E-B58B-FEF40F970381@idiomatrix.com> Message-ID: <5dc6fd9e0711031437r47f2fe7al663c5fa4ed8dc32b@mail.gmail.com> On 11/2/07, David Herren wrote: > That has _defintely_ not been my experience. I always work in a single > finder window in column mode (the nextstep way). Ejecting a volume has > always, until now, just reverted to displaying the home directory > without closing the one and only Finder window. Hello guys, I reported this issue to Apple and they want examples of this issue so if you wouldn't mind detailing situations in which you experience this issue that'd be great (can be offlist), thanks :) From charles.dyer at gmail.com Sat Nov 3 18:20:48 2007 From: charles.dyer at gmail.com (Charles Dyer) Date: Sat Nov 3 18:20:53 2007 Subject: Time Machine oddities Message-ID: <819FF92D-8318-4A68-B8CA-7E473BDBBCC0@gmail.com> Not only is Time Machine extremely slow in doing the initial backup (over 36 hours to back up 343 GB, 24 hours to back up the first 168 GB, 12+ to get the rest) but it has very strange ideas about which volumes should be backed up. I have an external DVD drive which is attached to my system but not usually turned on. It's an old DVD-ROM liberated from a graphite G4 after I installed a DVD burner instead; I placed the old DVD into an external FireWire drive, and have used it ever since. It was, I repeat, liberated from _Apple_ equipment, and works properly and has for years. This morning I had the DVD turned on when TM started its hourly backup... and TM reported that it couldn't back up because one of the volumes I was backing up was case-sensitive, and the destination volume was not, and TM would not back up case-sensitive volumes to non- case-sensitive ones. The only difference that I could see about that particular backup and the one TM had performed an hour earlier was that an hour earlier I'd not had the external DVD in use. I checked, but TM didn't seem to be backing up anything from the disc, but I figured that it _must_ be. I finished what I was doing, and when done ejected the disc. TM ran again... and again said that it couldn't back up because there was a case-sensitive volume present. I checked _everything_. No new volumes on the volume list. Nothing in the DVD drive, or in the internal SuperDrive. No new drives, no new network volumes, nothing. All volumes formatted HFS+, non-case- sensitive. I turned _off_ the external DVD. The next time TM ran, it worked fine. I turned the external DVD back on. The next time, TM failed again, with the same error message. Time Machine was detecting the _empty_ DVD drive. There was nothing in it, but TM thought that there was something there which was formatted HFS+ case-sensitive... but whatever it was didn't show up on any list of volumes to be backed up or excluded or anything, which is logical as there wasn't anything there. From hexstar at gmail.com Sat Nov 3 18:37:45 2007 From: hexstar at gmail.com (Hex Star) Date: Sat Nov 3 18:37:49 2007 Subject: Time Machine oddities In-Reply-To: <819FF92D-8318-4A68-B8CA-7E473BDBBCC0@gmail.com> References: <819FF92D-8318-4A68-B8CA-7E473BDBBCC0@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5dc6fd9e0711031837k79589e2fq25a8d11c136395@mail.gmail.com> On 11/3/07, Charles Dyer wrote: > Time Machine was detecting the _empty_ DVD drive. There was nothing in > it, but TM thought that there was something there which was formatted > HFS+ case-sensitive... but whatever it was didn't show up on any list > of volumes to be backed up or excluded or anything, which is logical > as there wasn't anything there. Please report this issue to Apple asap at http://bugreport.apple.com From charles.dyer at gmail.com Sat Nov 3 18:56:55 2007 From: charles.dyer at gmail.com (Charles Dyer) Date: Sat Nov 3 18:57:03 2007 Subject: Time Machine oddities In-Reply-To: <5dc6fd9e0711031837k79589e2fq25a8d11c136395@mail.gmail.com> References: <819FF92D-8318-4A68-B8CA-7E473BDBBCC0@gmail.com> <5dc6fd9e0711031837k79589e2fq25a8d11c136395@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 03 Nov 2007, at 21:37:45, Hex Star wrote: > On 11/3/07, Charles Dyer wrote: >> Time Machine was detecting the _empty_ DVD drive. There was nothing >> in >> it, but TM thought that there was something there which was formatted >> HFS+ case-sensitive... but whatever it was didn't show up on any list >> of volumes to be backed up or excluded or anything, which is logical >> as there wasn't anything there. > > Please report this issue to Apple asap at http://bugreport.apple.com Already reported to the general feedback. I'm radaring it now. From kcall at mac.com Sat Nov 3 21:56:11 2007 From: kcall at mac.com (Kevin Callahan) Date: Sat Nov 3 21:56:21 2007 Subject: Apple RAM prices for MBPro Message-ID: <70ACC7B7-0C78-4090-9B09-C83A719CF216@mac.com> my BIL is buying a MBPro and wants to jump to 4 GB - Apple wants an ADDITIONAL 700 clams to go from 2 GB to 4GB, yet you can buy a 2 GB module from 76 - 129 (Samsung). Techworks at OWC 4 GIG (2 x 2GIG mods) for 179.95 Is Apple gouging? or do they have the most incredible RAM ? What do people think of this RAM? http://store.a1acomputing.com/maprome.html or this: http://eshop.macsales.com/item/TechWorks/12683P4GB/ ? K From matthew.penna at gmail.com Sat Nov 3 22:29:17 2007 From: matthew.penna at gmail.com (Matt Penna) Date: Sat Nov 3 22:29:26 2007 Subject: Apple RAM prices for MBPro In-Reply-To: <70ACC7B7-0C78-4090-9B09-C83A719CF216@mac.com> References: <70ACC7B7-0C78-4090-9B09-C83A719CF216@mac.com> Message-ID: On Nov 4, 2007, at 12:56 AM, Kevin Callahan wrote: > What do people think of this RAM? > > http://store.a1acomputing.com/maprome.html > > or this: > > http://eshop.macsales.com/item/TechWorks/12683P4GB/ Kevin, I can't comment on pricing, but I have had good luck with RAM purchased from OWC (aka, macsales.com). They offer warranties, and one other advantage is the mail in rebate they offer when you return your old RAM to them. I went through the process for my Mac Mini and it worked out great. So, no complaints here about them. I have not had any system issues whatsoever (including under the apparently very picky Leopard). Apple makes a lot of money on their RAM upgrades, so I always purchase it elsewhere and install it myself. Matt From kremels at kreme.com Sun Nov 4 00:02:10 2007 From: kremels at kreme.com (LuKreme) Date: Sun Nov 4 00:02:13 2007 Subject: Time Machine oddities In-Reply-To: <819FF92D-8318-4A68-B8CA-7E473BDBBCC0@gmail.com> References: <819FF92D-8318-4A68-B8CA-7E473BDBBCC0@gmail.com> Message-ID: On 3-Nov-2007, at 19:20, Charles Dyer wrote: > Time Machine was detecting the _empty_ DVD drive. There was nothing > in it, but TM thought that there was something there which was > formatted HFS+ case-sensitive... but whatever it was didn't show up > on any list of volumes to be backed up or excluded or anything, > which is logical as there wasn't anything there. This sounds like an issue with the Firewire chip in that case, actually. It was likely reporting itself as a Hard Drive, and TM was confused about it. Most FW cases, especially older ones, did funky thinks with optical drives. -- Try to realize it's all within yourself/No one else can make you change From pelorus at mac.com Sun Nov 4 01:20:27 2007 From: pelorus at mac.com (Matt Johnston) Date: Sun Nov 4 01:20:35 2007 Subject: Apple RAM prices for MBPro In-Reply-To: <70ACC7B7-0C78-4090-9B09-C83A719CF216@mac.com> References: <70ACC7B7-0C78-4090-9B09-C83A719CF216@mac.com> Message-ID: On 4 Nov 2007, at 04:56, Kevin Callahan wrote: > my BIL is buying a MBPro and wants to jump to 4 GB - > Apple wants an ADDITIONAL 700 clams to go from 2 GB to 4GB, yet you > can buy a 2 GB module from 76 - 129 (Samsung). > Techworks at OWC 4 GIG (2 x 2GIG mods) for 179.95 > > > Is Apple gouging? or do they have the most incredible RAM ? Yes. No-one told the there's no need for special "Apple MAC" RAM... From charles.dyer at gmail.com Sun Nov 4 03:45:33 2007 From: charles.dyer at gmail.com (Charles Dyer) Date: Sun Nov 4 03:45:39 2007 Subject: Time Machine oddities In-Reply-To: References: <819FF92D-8318-4A68-B8CA-7E473BDBBCC0@gmail.com> Message-ID: <175DC2AE-51E1-4CBF-A344-F6E67E5A85C2@gmail.com> On 04 Nov 2007, at 02:02:10, LuKreme wrote: > On 3-Nov-2007, at 19:20, Charles Dyer wrote: >> Time Machine was detecting the _empty_ DVD drive. There was nothing >> in it, but TM thought that there was something there which was >> formatted HFS+ case-sensitive... but whatever it was didn't show up >> on any list of volumes to be backed up or excluded or anything, >> which is logical as there wasn't anything there. > > > This sounds like an issue with the Firewire chip in that case, > actually. It was likely reporting itself as a Hard Drive, and TM > was confused about it. Unlikely. Toast, Disk Utility, the Finder and a host of other apps over the years have all correctly identified it as a DVD running on an external FireWire box. TM would be the only app to make that error. And if it IDed as a hard drive, it should show in the TM exclude list. It didn't. > > > Most FW cases, especially older ones, did funky thinks with optical > drives. > > -- > Try to realize it's all within yourself/No one else can make you > change > > > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-talk mailing list > MacOSX-talk@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-talk From lomion at gmail.com Sun Nov 4 04:42:52 2007 From: lomion at gmail.com (Larry Sica) Date: Sun Nov 4 04:42:57 2007 Subject: Quicksilver no longer available? Message-ID: All, Anyone know what happened to the Quicksilver site? They've been down for at least a week it seems. thanks, Larry From charles.dyer at gmail.com Sun Nov 4 05:36:18 2007 From: charles.dyer at gmail.com (Charles Dyer) Date: Sun Nov 4 05:36:23 2007 Subject: Apple RAM prices for MBPro In-Reply-To: <70ACC7B7-0C78-4090-9B09-C83A719CF216@mac.com> References: <70ACC7B7-0C78-4090-9B09-C83A719CF216@mac.com> Message-ID: On 04 Nov 2007, at 00:56:11, Kevin Callahan wrote: > my BIL is buying a MBPro and wants to jump to 4 GB - > Apple wants an ADDITIONAL 700 clams to go from 2 GB to 4GB, yet you > can buy a 2 GB module from 76 - 129 (Samsung). > Techworks at OWC 4 GIG (2 x 2GIG mods) for 179.95 > > > Is Apple gouging? Does the phrase 'Reality Distortion Field' have any meaning for you? > or do they have the most incredible RAM ? > > > What do people think of this RAM? > > http://store.a1acomputing.com/maprome.html > > or this: > > http://eshop.macsales.com/item/TechWorks/12683P4GB/ > I usually buy RAM from Crucial. $200 for 4 GB. Very nice warranty. From michelangelo.d at gmail.com Sun Nov 4 05:54:55 2007 From: michelangelo.d at gmail.com (Michelangelo) Date: Sun Nov 4 05:55:04 2007 Subject: Quicksilver no longer available? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2CD98C42-4995-4885-98D5-72D383332168@gmail.com> Il giorno 04/nov/07, alle ore 13:42, Larry Sica ha scritto: > Anyone know what happened to the Quicksilver site? They've been > down for at least a week it seems. I was wondering about it as well. For what I've seen it's HostRocket's issue, at least I guess so.;) ...hope to see them back ASAP.:) -- // Et quid amabo nisi quod rerum enigma est? -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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AB From michelangelo.d at gmail.com Sun Nov 4 05:56:40 2007 From: michelangelo.d at gmail.com (Michelangelo) Date: Sun Nov 4 05:56:47 2007 Subject: Apple RAM prices for MBPro In-Reply-To: <70ACC7B7-0C78-4090-9B09-C83A719CF216@mac.com> References: <70ACC7B7-0C78-4090-9B09-C83A719CF216@mac.com> Message-ID: Il giorno 04/nov/07, alle ore 05:56, Kevin Callahan ha scritto: > Is Apple gouging? or do they have the most incredible RAM ? Simple: it's Apple.:) Nevermind, go to http://www.crucial.com, fill in the form and enjoy, no question asked.:) -- // Et quid amabo nisi quod rerum enigma est? -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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More info and a working download link at http://lifehacker.com/software/featured-mac-download/update-your-quicksilver-dont-panic-317518.php -- Chris Garaffa www.thecmgeek.com From charles.dyer at gmail.com Sun Nov 4 06:17:25 2007 From: charles.dyer at gmail.com (Charles Dyer) Date: Sun Nov 4 06:17:33 2007 Subject: Apple RAM prices for MBPro In-Reply-To: <235DB616-F8D7-4EAC-B1D8-9F538988D8AE@c18.net> References: <70ACC7B7-0C78-4090-9B09-C83A719CF216@mac.com> <235DB616-F8D7-4EAC-B1D8-9F538988D8AE@c18.net> Message-ID: <788F8C50-D7E2-4C7B-A7A4-0C52B5DF4A2C@gmail.com> On 04 Nov 2007, at 08:55:39, Andrew Brown wrote: > On 4 Nov 2007, at 14:36, Charles Dyer wrote: > >> I usually buy RAM from Crucial. > > Does anyone have a (good) European (or British) source for this sort > of material? for RAM. > > > I needed a Firewire cable the other day, 9 to 9, and was unable to > find any site in France that could be troubled to state the length > of their cables. Anyone feeling nostalgic about life before the > internet should pop over here for a trip back in time... > > (No, sorry, there is a site, Apple's own, 75 euros for 1.8 metres, > plus delivery, a total of 122 USD.) $122 for a six foot cable?! Hmm. I wonder what trans-Atlantic shipping for a cable would cost? Amazon UK has ?3, 4 meter, FireWire cables... From robertlaferla at comcast.net Sun Nov 4 07:03:26 2007 From: robertlaferla at comcast.net (Robert La Ferla) Date: Sun Nov 4 07:03:29 2007 Subject: Leopard iCal - multiple e-mails Message-ID: <82705FDC-C0EA-49DD-BF19-A82589C8118C@comcast.net> It appears that iCal still has no way to send e-mail alarms to multiple addresses (other than yourself). Am I missing something or has Apple not figured this out? At least, iCal now displays the current day when it is not running. That was always an annoyance. From lomion at gmail.com Sun Nov 4 07:38:53 2007 From: lomion at gmail.com (Larry Sica) Date: Sun Nov 4 07:38:59 2007 Subject: Apple RAM prices for MBPro In-Reply-To: References: <70ACC7B7-0C78-4090-9B09-C83A719CF216@mac.com> Message-ID: <07B5C61D-F57C-4678-A7C3-EBDDB24076D2@gmail.com> On Nov 4, 2007, at 8:36 AM, Charles Dyer wrote: > > On 04 Nov 2007, at 00:56:11, Kevin Callahan wrote: > >> my BIL is buying a MBPro and wants to jump to 4 GB - >> Apple wants an ADDITIONAL 700 clams to go from 2 GB to 4GB, yet >> you can buy a 2 GB module from 76 - 129 (Samsung). >> Techworks at OWC 4 GIG (2 x 2GIG mods) for 179.95 >> >> >> Is Apple gouging? > > Does the phrase 'Reality Distortion Field' have any meaning for you? > >> or do they have the most incredible RAM ? >> They have the same stuff as everyone else. Now and then Apple prices are actually inline with the rest of the world. But usually they are stupidly high. I recommend crucial.com. --Larry "there are three things to cry for in life - things that are lost, things that are found, and things that are magnificent.~douglas coupland" ------------------------------------------------ Lawrence Sica lomion@gmail.com http://www.blagosphere.org/larry ------------------------------------------------ From lomion at gmail.com Sun Nov 4 07:43:24 2007 From: lomion at gmail.com (Larry Sica) Date: Sun Nov 4 07:43:30 2007 Subject: Finder Sidebar Broken in Leopard (updated) In-Reply-To: <571B5D31-7C17-401E-B58B-FEF40F970381@idiomatrix.com> References: <20071031190006.7A3841CBF59@forums.omnigroup.com> <4074AF51-5A24-4923-A726-ACB8C3D4BCA5@ucla.edu> <2C2DABE2-C142-4758-8527-BA72FDD0CD71@idiomatrix.com> <4F0124BE-2A75-484A-B3E5-0F801CE1995D@idiomatrix.com> <0B3F1298-A8D3-4F91-81A7-31E74179E741@kreme.com> <571B5D31-7C17-401E-B58B-FEF40F970381@idiomatrix.com> Message-ID: <3042FE2A-ACDA-4B32-9F0D-878AB6D5CC6B@gmail.com> On Nov 2, 2007, at 1:06 PM, David Herren wrote: > On Nov 2, 2007, at 8:37 AM, LuKreme wrote: > >> On 1-Nov-2007, at 18:11, David Herren wrote: >>> about half the time now that I attempt to eject an external drive, >>> when it does eject the drive, the Finder window also closes. >> >> >> OS X has always done that, if the window was tied to that drive >> (ie, that was the window that opened when the drive was first >> accessed). > > That has _defintely_ not been my experience. I always work in a > single finder window in column mode (the nextstep way). Ejecting a > volume has always, until now, just reverted to displaying the home > directory without closing the one and only Finder window. > If the window started was opened from the drive mount it will go away. That is standard behavior. I just did it on Tiger on my laptop. Have not seen what you describe in Leopard yet. I'll keep an eye out for it. --Larry "there are three things to cry for in life - things that are lost, things that are found, and things that are magnificent.~douglas coupland" ------------------------------------------------ Lawrence Sica lomion@gmail.com http://www.blagosphere.org/larry ------------------------------------------------ From alsina at mac.com Sun Nov 4 07:55:20 2007 From: alsina at mac.com (Cesar Alsina) Date: Sun Nov 4 07:55:26 2007 Subject: Finder Sidebar Broken in Leopard (updated) In-Reply-To: <3042FE2A-ACDA-4B32-9F0D-878AB6D5CC6B@gmail.com> References: <20071031190006.7A3841CBF59@forums.omnigroup.com> <4074AF51-5A24-4923-A726-ACB8C3D4BCA5@ucla.edu> <2C2DABE2-C142-4758-8527-BA72FDD0CD71@idiomatrix.com> <4F0124BE-2A75-484A-B3E5-0F801CE1995D@idiomatrix.com> <0B3F1298-A8D3-4F91-81A7-31E74179E741@kreme.com> <571B5D31-7C17-401E-B58B-FEF40F970381@idiomatrix.com> <3042FE2A-ACDA-4B32-9F0D-878AB6D5CC6B@gmail.com> Message-ID: <9BF321F9-0748-49EA-9DBD-C0D768A69F44@mac.com> >>> On 1-Nov-2007, at 18:11, David Herren wrote: >>>> about half the time now that I attempt to eject an external >>>> drive, when it does eject the drive, the Finder window also closes. I dig this behavior since it appeared, back in Panther. From david at idiomatrix.com Sun Nov 4 08:36:43 2007 From: david at idiomatrix.com (David Herren) Date: Sun Nov 4 08:37:00 2007 Subject: Finder Sidebar Broken in Leopard (updated) In-Reply-To: <9BF321F9-0748-49EA-9DBD-C0D768A69F44@mac.com> References: <20071031190006.7A3841CBF59@forums.omnigroup.com> <4074AF51-5A24-4923-A726-ACB8C3D4BCA5@ucla.edu> <2C2DABE2-C142-4758-8527-BA72FDD0CD71@idiomatrix.com> <4F0124BE-2A75-484A-B3E5-0F801CE1995D@idiomatrix.com> <0B3F1298-A8D3-4F91-81A7-31E74179E741@kreme.com> <571B5D31-7C17-401E-B58B-FEF40F970381@idiomatrix.com> <3042FE2A-ACDA-4B32-9F0D-878AB6D5CC6B@gmail.com> <9BF321F9-0748-49EA-9DBD-C0D768A69F44@mac.com> Message-ID: <7767ECD1-EE63-488B-844E-DF35DBC82457@idiomatrix.com> On Nov 4, 2007, at 10:55 AM, Cesar Alsina wrote: > I dig this behavior since it appeared, back in Panther. Still not the same thing. Occasionally (I have not been able to duplicate it consistently)--in fact frequently--when I eject an external drive, EVEN WHEN VIEWING A DIRECTORY PATH THAT IS NOT ON THE EXTERNAL DRIVE, the only Finder window I have open, pointing to a directory within my own home directory tree, the Finder window will close. This is not desirable behavior. Yes, if I eject a drive and there's a window open to that drive, closing the window is expected, but not when I'm looking at something else entirely. /david -- david herren - shoreham, vt us na terra solsys orionarm "He has never been known to use a word that might send a reader to the dictionary." --- William Faulkner (about Ernest Hemingway) From kremels at kreme.com Sun Nov 4 12:26:49 2007 From: kremels at kreme.com (LuKreme) Date: Sun Nov 4 12:26:53 2007 Subject: Finder Sidebar Broken in Leopard (updated) In-Reply-To: <7767ECD1-EE63-488B-844E-DF35DBC82457@idiomatrix.com> References: <20071031190006.7A3841CBF59@forums.omnigroup.com> <4074AF51-5A24-4923-A726-ACB8C3D4BCA5@ucla.edu> <2C2DABE2-C142-4758-8527-BA72FDD0CD71@idiomatrix.com> <4F0124BE-2A75-484A-B3E5-0F801CE1995D@idiomatrix.com> <0B3F1298-A8D3-4F91-81A7-31E74179E741@kreme.com> <571B5D31-7C17-401E-B58B-FEF40F970381@idiomatrix.com> <3042FE2A-ACDA-4B32-9F0D-878AB6D5CC6B@gmail.com> <9BF321F9-0748-49EA-9DBD-C0D768A69F44@mac.com> <7767ECD1-EE63-488B-844E-DF35DBC82457@idiomatrix.com> Message-ID: <4717043D-34F2-4371-8A14-8A98221894DC@kreme.com> On 4-Nov-2007, at 09:36, David Herren wrote: > Still not the same thing. Occasionally (I have not been able to > duplicate it consistently)--in fact frequently--when I eject an > external drive, EVEN WHEN VIEWING A DIRECTORY PATH THAT IS NOT ON > THE EXTERNAL DRIVE, the only Finder window I have open, pointing to > a directory within my own home directory tree, the Finder window > will close. But that's not how it works. It's not how it's ever worked. If you have a finder window open that was opened by the system when the external whatever was mounted, regardless of where that window may end up pointing, it will close when the drive mount is ejected. It worked like this in Tiger (Mount an image, copy the file to ~/ Applications, switch to your home folder, switch to ~/Applications. Select the new app, eject the mount. Window goes away. -- Is this the light of a new day dawning? A future bright that you can walk in? No, it's just another Monday Morning, do it all over again! From hexstar at gmail.com Sun Nov 4 13:40:46 2007 From: hexstar at gmail.com (Hex Star) Date: Sun Nov 4 13:40:52 2007 Subject: Finder Sidebar Broken in Leopard (updated) In-Reply-To: <7767ECD1-EE63-488B-844E-DF35DBC82457@idiomatrix.com> References: <20071031190006.7A3841CBF59@forums.omnigroup.com> <4074AF51-5A24-4923-A726-ACB8C3D4BCA5@ucla.edu> <2C2DABE2-C142-4758-8527-BA72FDD0CD71@idiomatrix.com> <4F0124BE-2A75-484A-B3E5-0F801CE1995D@idiomatrix.com> <0B3F1298-A8D3-4F91-81A7-31E74179E741@kreme.com> <571B5D31-7C17-401E-B58B-FEF40F970381@idiomatrix.com> <3042FE2A-ACDA-4B32-9F0D-878AB6D5CC6B@gmail.com> <9BF321F9-0748-49EA-9DBD-C0D768A69F44@mac.com> <7767ECD1-EE63-488B-844E-DF35DBC82457@idiomatrix.com> Message-ID: <5dc6fd9e0711041340t43065f20g581257f61249bd34@mail.gmail.com> On 11/4/07, David Herren wrote: > Still not the same thing. Occasionally (I have not been able to > duplicate it consistently)--in fact frequently--when I eject an > external drive, EVEN WHEN VIEWING A DIRECTORY PATH THAT IS NOT ON THE > EXTERNAL DRIVE, the only Finder window I have open, pointing to a > directory within my own home directory tree, the Finder window will > close. I experience this as well in Leopard and find it to be quite annoying From hexstar at gmail.com Sun Nov 4 14:08:11 2007 From: hexstar at gmail.com (Hex Star) Date: Sun Nov 4 14:08:15 2007 Subject: Time Machine oddities In-Reply-To: References: <819FF92D-8318-4A68-B8CA-7E473BDBBCC0@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5dc6fd9e0711041408i60a6f63aj939fdd0dbb8b0431@mail.gmail.com> On 11/4/07, LuKreme wrote: > This sounds like an issue with the Firewire chip in that case, > actually. It was likely reporting itself as a Hard Drive, and TM was > confused about it. Or perhaps TM for some reason doesn't know about UFS/CDFS and incorrectly assumes that file systems are all HFS+/HFS... From kcall at mac.com Sun Nov 4 15:40:04 2007 From: kcall at mac.com (Kevin Callahan) Date: Sun Nov 4 15:41:04 2007 Subject: Finder Sidebar Broken in Leopard (updated) In-Reply-To: <5dc6fd9e0711041340t43065f20g581257f61249bd34@mail.gmail.com> References: <20071031190006.7A3841CBF59@forums.omnigroup.com> <4074AF51-5A24-4923-A726-ACB8C3D4BCA5@ucla.edu> <2C2DABE2-C142-4758-8527-BA72FDD0CD71@idiomatrix.com> <4F0124BE-2A75-484A-B3E5-0F801CE1995D@idiomatrix.com> <0B3F1298-A8D3-4F91-81A7-31E74179E741@kreme.com> <571B5D31-7C17-401E-B58B-FEF40F970381@idiomatrix.com> <3042FE2A-ACDA-4B32-9F0D-878AB6D5CC6B@gmail.com> <9BF321F9-0748-49EA-9DBD-C0D768A69F44@mac.com> <7767ECD1-EE63-488B-844E-DF35DBC82457@idiomatrix.com> <5dc6fd9e0711041340t43065f20g581257f61249bd34@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Nov 4, 2007, at 1:40 PM, Hex Star wrote: > On 11/4/07, David Herren wrote: >> Still not the same thing. Occasionally (I have not been able to >> duplicate it consistently)--in fact frequently--when I eject an >> external drive, EVEN WHEN VIEWING A DIRECTORY PATH THAT IS NOT ON THE >> EXTERNAL DRIVE, the only Finder window I have open, pointing to a >> directory within my own home directory tree, the Finder window will >> close. > > I experience this as well in Leopard and find it to be quite annoying yes From shacker at birdhouse.org Sun Nov 4 15:57:34 2007 From: shacker at birdhouse.org (Hacker Scot) Date: Sun Nov 4 15:57:41 2007 Subject: Apple RAM prices for MBPro In-Reply-To: <07B5C61D-F57C-4678-A7C3-EBDDB24076D2@gmail.com> References: <70ACC7B7-0C78-4090-9B09-C83A719CF216@mac.com> <07B5C61D-F57C-4678-A7C3-EBDDB24076D2@gmail.com> Message-ID: <82FBA912-BC44-410C-8F90-1771C2995866@birdhouse.org> On Nov 4, 2007, at 7:38 AM, Larry Sica wrote: > They have the same stuff as everyone else. Now and then Apple > prices are actually inline with the rest of the world. But usually > they are stupidly high. I recommend crucial.com. Every time I have to bring a sad Mac in for Apple Care they ask if I have any 3rd-party RAM installed. When I answer, "Yes, 2GB of Crucial" the techs always smile and say "Excellent - no worries there." ./s From abridge at gmail.com Sun Nov 4 16:10:18 2007 From: abridge at gmail.com (Adam Bridge) Date: Sun Nov 4 16:10:20 2007 Subject: Great difficulty with Leopard on Quad G5, teeth are gnashing Message-ID: <4cfa589b0711041610r7dd7b6e2md11b35591a30bcf0@mail.gmail.com> I'm having a seriously not very good time getting Leopard to go on my quad G5. I'm grumpy. I fortunately have a good backup, unfortunately I've had to restore from it TWICE. The first time was my bad - I did an update instead of "archive & install". I meant to do the archive but somehow I neglected to choose that option. The result was a system that was frozen almost immediately after restart. Archive and Install did somewhat better but I'm still ended up with a frozen system where nothing was responsive. How do I trouble-shoot this? Or do I just bite the proverbial bullet, install from scratch and then re-install all my software - CS3 Extended and Final Cut Studio are non-trivial installs, time-wise, and I'd really really REALLY not have to do that. As I think about things I've added to my system only one waves any sort of red flag: I have a weather station attached to my computer and it uses a USB to Serial device that needs a driver. Unfortunately I don't remember where that was installed (it was years ago) nor do I remember where to look for it. So a suggestion there might be good. Thanks for your thoughts. Adam From kcall at mac.com Sun Nov 4 16:20:57 2007 From: kcall at mac.com (Kevin Callahan) Date: Sun Nov 4 16:21:01 2007 Subject: NOTES in Mail (pasting an image from pasteboard) Message-ID: I can't figure out NOTES. I had a draft email (a note to myself) and thought I should get in the habit of using Notes. The draft has a few lines of text and an image I'd pasted into the draft from a screenshot. When creating the new "Note", the image wouldn't paste. I then dragged the image to the desktop and subsequently dragged it into Notes - ah! okay, it worked. Then when displayed in Notes, I took a snapshot of it and pasted a second copy. It worked. I closed the new note. Went to my "Reminders" enclosure to view the note. It only showed TEXT, no image. Opened the note to edit it, could no longer paste the image back in. Is something mucked up with my pasteboard, or is Notes a bit flaky for 1.0 ? K From kremels at kreme.com Sun Nov 4 17:08:56 2007 From: kremels at kreme.com (LuKreme) Date: Sun Nov 4 17:08:59 2007 Subject: Great difficulty with Leopard on Quad G5, teeth are gnashing In-Reply-To: <4cfa589b0711041610r7dd7b6e2md11b35591a30bcf0@mail.gmail.com> References: <4cfa589b0711041610r7dd7b6e2md11b35591a30bcf0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 4-Nov-2007, at 17:10, Adam Bridge wrote: > As I think about things I've added to my system only one waves any > sort of red flag: I have a weather station attached to my computer and > it uses a USB to Serial device that needs a driver. Unfortunately I > don't remember where that was installed (it was years ago) nor do I > remember where to look for it. So a suggestion there might be good. Try starting up with NOTHING connected to your computer other than the keybaord and mouse. See how it boots, runs, etc. If you are having issues with it in that state, then I might suggest removing anything internal you added (SATA drives, 3rd party RAM, etc). -- This story shall the good man teach his son; And Crispin Crispian shall ne'er go by, From this day to the ending of the world, But we in it shall be remember'd; From shacker at birdhouse.org Sun Nov 4 17:49:35 2007 From: shacker at birdhouse.org (Hacker Scot) Date: Sun Nov 4 17:49:42 2007 Subject: NOTES in Mail (pasting an image from pasteboard) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <247A5BEE-6B30-4E3C-A1B8-05842518A42F@birdhouse.org> On Nov 4, 2007, at 4:20 PM, Kevin Callahan wrote: > Is something mucked up with my pasteboard, or is Notes a bit flaky > for 1.0 ? When I saved an image into a Note on an IMAP server a few nights ago, it crashed Mail.app (I reported it with details). ./s From hexstar at gmail.com Sun Nov 4 19:04:36 2007 From: hexstar at gmail.com (Hex Star) Date: Sun Nov 4 19:04:40 2007 Subject: Images being mounted out of nowhere at random times in Leopard Message-ID: <5dc6fd9e0711041904j913b4c7l7d9a8523929ed6b0@mail.gmail.com> I have sent the following to Apple via the bug tracking facility, please let me know if you have also experienced the following: Hello, today I logged into my admin account and mounted the dreamweaver image I have (made a image of my dreamweaver cd for easier access and faster installs) to reinstall dreamweaver since the leopard upgrade broke the dreamweaver install, the installer ran fine and dreamweaver works again now and everything so I logged out of the admin account and back into mine and low and behold I find this tea timer image remounted out of nowhere. The tea timer image was used several days ago to install the Tea Timer app and the image was then unmounted, trashed, and the trash emptied that same day. The following screenshot shows that the system has somehow remounted the image despite the fact that there are absolutely no traces of the image on the filesystem: http://img472.imageshack.us/img472/339/wtfpp4.png . I am able to open any files in the image even though I cannot find any traces of the image on my hard drive. This worries me greatly as this seems to be a sure sign that the contents of the trash is not actually being emptied in Leopard and is still on the hard drive for many days. I do not understand why Leopard is randomly remounting these now non-existent images as well.... I have not unmounted this oddly mounted image and can provide any further information that may be necessary to get this issue resolved. This is in addition to images failing to unmount fully and thus causing the trash to refuse to empty. Thanks! :) From shawnce at gmail.com Sun Nov 4 19:44:56 2007 From: shawnce at gmail.com (Shawn Erickson) Date: Sun Nov 4 19:45:00 2007 Subject: Images being mounted out of nowhere at random times in Leopard In-Reply-To: <5