From nigel at explanatorygap.net Tue May 1 02:35:39 2007 From: nigel at explanatorygap.net (Nigel Kersten) Date: Tue May 1 02:36:01 2007 Subject: Anybody Else Installed Photoshop CS3 ? In-Reply-To: References: <88A005EE-2392-4106-AE2E-BA5C18B4BAE6@trilithon.com> Message-ID: On 01/05/2007, at 5:59 AM, LuKreme wrote: > It is probably seeing the Receipt package for your CS3 beta. > > Still, a stupid stupid installer issue that Adobe created. It's actually not quite so stupid. If you leave the CS3 beta files lying around, even when you trash the Receipt, CS3 proper is quite unstable. Of course Adobe could have just integrated the script into their CS3 proper installer... but at least they provided a script. -- Nigel Kersten http://explanatorygap.net From merlyn at stonehenge.com Tue May 1 04:50:18 2007 From: merlyn at stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz) Date: Tue May 1 04:50:30 2007 Subject: Anybody Else Installed Photoshop CS3 ? In-Reply-To: (kremels@kreme.com's message of "Mon, 30 Apr 2007 13:59:36 -0600") References: <88A005EE-2392-4106-AE2E-BA5C18B4BAE6@trilithon.com> Message-ID: <86mz0oyd8l.fsf@blue.stonehenge.com> >>>>> "LuKreme" == LuKreme writes: LuKreme> On 28-Apr-2007, at 18:03, Henry McGilton wrote: >> I un-installed CS3 beta. >> >> When I try to install the release version of CS3, the setup >> package delivers the message: >> >> Cannot Install Adobe Photoshop CS3: >> >> Because it conflicts with Adobe Photoshop CS3 LuKreme> It is probably seeing the Receipt package for your CS3 beta. LuKreme> Still, a stupid stupid installer issue that Adobe created. Agreed. I had some grief installing as well. First, I figured that simply running the installer for the real package would just Do The Right Upgrade. No, I get the message quoted above. So, I start trashing everything I have with CS3 in the folder path. That doesn't work. Still get the conflict. I searched "uninstall cs3", and got the labs.adobe.com page which says "don't just drag things into the trash", and points me at the GUI uninstaller. I run that, and it says it did the deed. Started the installer, and again it says CS3 is still installed. WTF! So I run the deinstaller again, and it says "can't completely uninstall this", but doesn't say ENOUGH in the error message to help me out. WTF! I use File Buddy to find *everything* with CS3 in the title. I delete all those. Not enough. WTF again. (At this point, I was swearing in my Portland home loud enough for them to hear it in Mountain View.) So then I look again at the labs.adobe.com page, and it points at a python script that is *really* dangerous but purports to do the job. I run that, first in test mode, and see that it's also wanting to delete a few folders that have ps10 or something like that in the path. I run it... and... FINALLY the installer is happy. MORE DIAGNOSTICS, ADOBE. Even a *file* I could have read to see what it was complaining about beyond the GUI would have *VERY MUCH HELPED HERE*. Don't treat your power customers like idiots. Adobe missed the ball on this one, especially with so MANY people who had installed the Beta. -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 Perl/Unix/security consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See PerlTraining.Stonehenge.com for onsite and open-enrollment Perl training! From info at stevendewitt.ca Tue May 1 06:24:41 2007 From: info at stevendewitt.ca (Steven DeWitt) Date: Tue May 1 06:24:45 2007 Subject: Startup issues Message-ID: <9288F4F3-E437-4002-8618-48A148A5782F@stevendewitt.ca> Good morning, This morning when I turn on my iMac (Intel), it takes forever to start up, and then it makes a dozen or more attempts to load the desktop, and then the desktop is almost unresponsive after that. I know this is a dumb question, but I've never had a problem on a Mac before -- what should I do next? Writing from my iBook which thankfully I backed up my files to last night, Steven From bentley at crenelle.com Tue May 1 09:14:37 2007 From: bentley at crenelle.com (Michael Brian Bentley) Date: Tue May 1 09:15:01 2007 Subject: Startup issues In-Reply-To: <9288F4F3-E437-4002-8618-48A148A5782F@stevendewitt.ca> References: <9288F4F3-E437-4002-8618-48A148A5782F@stevendewitt.ca> Message-ID: >Good morning, > >This morning when I turn on my iMac (Intel), it takes forever to >start up, and then it makes a dozen or more attempts to load the >desktop, and then the desktop is almost unresponsive after that. I >know this is a dumb question, but I've never had a problem on a Mac >before -- what should I do next? > >Writing from my iBook which thankfully I backed up my files to last night, > >Steven If you look at Activity Monitor or run "top" under a terminal window, is any application/process/task listed therein sticking out like a proverbial sore thumb, sucking down 40% or more of the cpu on a continual basis? How exactly did you perform the backup from the iMac to the iBook? Was that the very last thing you did the evening before? From your description, it doesn't say explicitly that you've rebooted the machine once or twice and got the same sluggish behavior, but it implies so. Is this the case? From info at stevendewitt.ca Tue May 1 15:23:59 2007 From: info at stevendewitt.ca (Steven DeWitt) Date: Tue May 1 15:24:12 2007 Subject: Startup issues In-Reply-To: <9288F4F3-E437-4002-8618-48A148A5782F@stevendewitt.ca> References: <9288F4F3-E437-4002-8618-48A148A5782F@stevendewitt.ca> Message-ID: <446F19CC-FF70-4808-9313-2D9B34013B9D@stevendewitt.ca> Hi again, After some diagnosis and research, I see that my problem is more serious than I thought: I can no longer start up in regular or safe mode, can't start up in single-user mode to enter Terminal commands, and can't run a disk utility repair from the install CD without getting an abort message. All this after less than 3 months! Anyway, I spoke to the folks at Apple as well, but I am going to try DiskWarrior before I go erasing the disk completely I guess. So while I wait for the Diskwarrior CD to come in the mail, I guess I have to just put the Intel machine aside and pull the old faithful PowerPC unit back out of the closet. Once again, thankfully I had only last night backed up all my work files and e-mail onto my laptop for the first time in I think forever, so it could have been a million times worse -- all I have lost access to for now is mainly iTunes files and photos. Thanks to David for the private reply. Cheers Steven Le 07-05-01 ? 10:24, Steven DeWitt a ?crit : > Good morning, > > This morning when I turn on my iMac (Intel), it takes forever to > start up, and then it makes a dozen or more attempts to load the > desktop, and then the desktop is almost unresponsive after that. I > know this is a dumb question, but I've never had a problem on a Mac > before -- what should I do next? > > Writing from my iBook which thankfully I backed up my files to last > night, > > Steven > > > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-talk mailing list > MacOSX-talk@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-talk > From merlyn at stonehenge.com Tue May 1 23:49:24 2007 From: merlyn at stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz) Date: Tue May 1 23:49:32 2007 Subject: thank you apple: podcast "release date" in iTunes playlists! Message-ID: <86ps5jvhxn.fsf@blue.stonehenge.com> I just noticed that iTunes now has "release date" as a selectable column in playlists. For those of us who have 80% of our iTunes library as podcasts instead of purchased/ripped/stolen music, this is a godsend. Prior to that, when adding a new podcast, I'd have to go into the podcast window, make a playlist manually by selecting just the downloaded podcast episodes of one podcast, and be careful not to sort it by another column. Now, my smart playlists for "audio podcasts" and "video podcasts" and "trance for programming" have their episodes properly listed by oldest-released-first. Yeay yeay. We podcast listeners thank you, Apple. -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 Perl/Unix/security consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See PerlTraining.Stonehenge.com for onsite and open-enrollment Perl training! From joar at joar.com Wed May 2 00:11:53 2007 From: joar at joar.com (j o a r) Date: Wed May 2 00:12:05 2007 Subject: Startup issues In-Reply-To: <446F19CC-FF70-4808-9313-2D9B34013B9D@stevendewitt.ca> References: <9288F4F3-E437-4002-8618-48A148A5782F@stevendewitt.ca> <446F19CC-FF70-4808-9313-2D9B34013B9D@stevendewitt.ca> Message-ID: <62CDD3B6-C80E-4AC3-A104-22785D92CB31@joar.com> On 2 maj 2007, at 00.23, Steven DeWitt wrote: > After some diagnosis and research, I see that my problem is more > serious than I thought: I can no longer start up in regular or safe > mode, can't start up in single-user mode to enter Terminal > commands, and can't run a disk utility repair from the install CD > without getting an abort message. If you can't even boot from a CD, then I don't see how the problem could be with your internal HD - And in that case DiskWarrior will not be able to resolve your problem. Also, if you have a good backup I wouldn't bother with trying to rescue the current filesystem. IMO it's much better to reformat and reinstall in such cases. Can you use "Target Disk Mode" to mount your new iMac from your old iBook? In that case you might be able to salvage any files you're missing from your current backup before starting over from scratch. j o a r From scott at maxify.com Wed May 2 00:22:08 2007 From: scott at maxify.com (Scott Stevenson) Date: Wed May 2 00:22:28 2007 Subject: Startup issues In-Reply-To: <446F19CC-FF70-4808-9313-2D9B34013B9D@stevendewitt.ca> References: <9288F4F3-E437-4002-8618-48A148A5782F@stevendewitt.ca> <446F19CC-FF70-4808-9313-2D9B34013B9D@stevendewitt.ca> Message-ID: <70CE5228-BF7D-4B03-9D97-00273FC243BF@maxify.com> On May 1, 2007, at 3:23 PM, Steven DeWitt wrote: > After some diagnosis and research, I see that my problem is more > serious than I thought: I can no longer start up in regular or safe > mode, can't start up in single-user mode to enter Terminal > commands, and can't run a disk utility repair from the install CD > without getting an abort message. As joar says, if the CD won't boot, it's probably something else. One (potentially obvious) thing to try is to remove all third-party/ non-essential devices. All third-party drives, mice, keyboards, USB drives -- everything. Plug in only the Apple-supplied keyboard and mouse, and try again. - Scott -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /mailman/archive/macosx-talk/attachments/20070502/00d137d6/attachment.html From apple at tisys.org Wed May 2 00:29:09 2007 From: apple at tisys.org (Nils Holland) Date: Wed May 2 00:29:16 2007 Subject: Problem with QT 7.1.6 update anyone Message-ID: <01FE76AD-C4F8-4E32-B7B1-7426850028F1@tisys.org> Hi folks, I just wanted to ask if anyone has seen something like this during yesterday's QuickTime 7.1.6 update: On both a MacBook Pro and a MacPro, during the QuickTime update process, I get a message that "ConfigureMimeTypes" has crashed. This happens when applying the software via Software Update, as well as when downloading the whole QT disk image and installing from there. Of course, I get a crash log, but that's kind of long, so I won't quote it here. In my system.log, however, the problem manifests like this: > May 2 09:12:54 MacPro sudo: root : TTY=unknown ; PWD=/ ; > USER=admin ; COMMAND=/private/var/tmp/folders.501/Cleanup At > Startup/com.apple.SoftwareUpdate.RuOE3U/QuickTime716.pkg/Contents/ > Resources/ConfigureMimeTypes -rescan -verbose > May 2 09:13:31 MacPro crashdump[274]: ConfigureMimeTypes crashed Interestingly, on another machine - a MacBook - this did not happen. And then, on the machines that had the crash, I can not see any problems or issues now. Concerning the cause, I can only speculate: On the machines that had the crash, I'm running OmniWeb as my default browser, the other machine uses Safari. Additionally, the crashy machines run PathFinder (in addition to the normal Finder, not as replacement), while the "good" machine uses the genuine Finder. Everything else should be quite similiar on all machines. So, the question: Has anyone else had this issue yesterday? If so, do you happen to use OmniWeb and / or PathFinder as well? I've already submitted my crash reports to Apple with a little description, but I'm still curious if I'm the only one who's seen this. Greetings, Nils From kremels at kreme.com Wed May 2 01:30:48 2007 From: kremels at kreme.com (LuKreme) Date: Wed May 2 01:30:59 2007 Subject: Anybody Else Installed Photoshop CS3 ? In-Reply-To: <86mz0oyd8l.fsf@blue.stonehenge.com> References: <88A005EE-2392-4106-AE2E-BA5C18B4BAE6@trilithon.com> <86mz0oyd8l.fsf@blue.stonehenge.com> Message-ID: <6AC8C2CC-4DF4-4726-A449-F669980CC715@kreme.com> On 1-May-2007, at 05:50, Randal L. Schwartz wrote: > So then I look again at the labs.adobe.com page, and it points at a > python > script that is *really* dangerous but purports to do the job. SysCall('rm -R "%s"' % d). It doesn't even move the files to the Trash. At least it is quoting the directory path, so it should be OK. SHOULD. [SNIP] > Adobe missed the ball on this one, especially with so MANY people > who had > installed the Beta. I don't use Adobe CS3 (or 2 or CS or really anything from Adobe, but I did look at the python script. It reminded me WHY I dislike the Adobe apps so much. There is a list of directories in the script that will be deleted. It's 110 lines. Now, granted, most of them are in ~/Library/Application/Support/Adobe so there has been definite progress, but there is also a lot in / Library/Application Support/. It appears, from the script, that removinf ~/L/App Sup/Adobe and /L/ App Sup/Adobe/ SHOULD be enough, but there's quite a few other files littering the list that (possibly) get deleted: 'Adobe*CS3' 'Adobe Illustrator CS3' 'Adobe Help Viewer 1.0' 'Adobe InDesign CS3' 'Adobe Flash CS3' 'Adobe Photoshop CS3' 'Adobe After Effects CS3' 'Adobe Help Viewer *.app' 'Adobe Device Central' 'Adobe Dreamweaver 9' 'Adobe Extension Manager' 'Adobe Flash CS3 Video Encoder' 'Utilities/Adobe Installers' 'Utilities/Soundbooth' 'Utilities/Adobe Utilities.localized/ExtendScript Toolkit*2' 'Adobe Acrobat 8 Professional' 'Utilities/Adobe Utilities.localized/Adobe Updater5' 'Adobe*' 'Utilities/Adobe*' '~/Library/Logs/Adobe' '~/Library/Application Support/Macromedia*' '~/Library/Preferences/Adobe Fireworks CS3' '~/Library/Preferences/Adobe Illustrator CS3*' '~/Library/Preferences/Fireworks 8' '~/Library/Preferences/com.macromedia*' '~/Library/Preferences/com.adobe*' '~/Library/Preferences/Flash 8*' '~/Library/Preferences/Flash8*' '~/Library/Preferences/Adobe*' '~/Library/Acrobat User Data/8.0*' '/Library/Application Support/Macromedia*' '/Library/Preferences/com.macromedia*' '/Library/Preferences/com.adobe*' '/Library/PreferencePanes/VersionCueCS3.prefPane' '/Library/Internet\ Plug-Ins/AdobePDFViewer.plugin' '/Library/Logs/Adobe' '/Library/Preferences/com.adobe.versioncueCS3.plist' '/Library/Preferences/com.adobe.AdobePDFSettings.plist' '/Library/LaunchDaemons/com.adobe.versioncueCS3.plist' '~/Library/Preferences/com.Adobe.After Effects.8.0.plist' '~/Library/Preferences/com.adobe.bridge2.plist' '~/Library/Preferences/com.adobe.ExtensionManager.plist' '~/Library/Preferences/com.adobe.Installers.Setup.plist' '~/Library/Preferences/com.adobe.Contribute.plist' '~/Library/Preferences/com.adobe.Acrobat.Pro_*_8.0.plist' '~/Library/Preferences/com.adobe.Acrobat.Uninstaller.plist' '~/Library/Preferences/Flash 9*' '~/Library/Preferences/Flash9*' '~/Library/Preferences/Flash CS3*' '~/Library/Preferences/Adobe Photoshop CS3*' Adobe* would be cause for concern.... -- Badges? We ain't got no badges. We don't need no badges. I don't have to show you any stinking badges. From mikecap at mac.com Wed May 2 04:37:42 2007 From: mikecap at mac.com (mikecap@mac.com) Date: Wed May 2 04:37:54 2007 Subject: Problem with QT 7.1.6 update anyone In-Reply-To: <01FE76AD-C4F8-4E32-B7B1-7426850028F1@tisys.org> References: <01FE76AD-C4F8-4E32-B7B1-7426850028F1@tisys.org> Message-ID: <7F660EB0-6B17-4D67-900D-4A7BBDC04CAF@mac.com> On May 2, 2007, at 3:29 AM, Nils Holland wrote: > So, the question: Has anyone else had this issue yesterday? If so, > do you happen to use OmniWeb and / or PathFinder as well? I use OmniWeb, but not PathFinder, and had no problem installing the update on 2 machines, 1 PPC and 1 Intel. Mike From info at stevendewitt.ca Wed May 2 06:34:28 2007 From: info at stevendewitt.ca (Steven DeWitt) Date: Wed May 2 07:48:06 2007 Subject: Startup issues In-Reply-To: <62CDD3B6-C80E-4AC3-A104-22785D92CB31@joar.com> References: <9288F4F3-E437-4002-8618-48A148A5782F@stevendewitt.ca> <446F19CC-FF70-4808-9313-2D9B34013B9D@stevendewitt.ca> <62CDD3B6-C80E-4AC3-A104-22785D92CB31@joar.com> Message-ID: <5500A6CE-BD3F-4769-964A-1F7A03EBD351@stevendewitt.ca> > If you can't even boot from a CD, then I don't see how the problem > could be with your internal HD - And in that case DiskWarrior will > not be able to resolve your problem. > > Also, if you have a good backup I wouldn't bother with trying to > rescue the current filesystem. IMO it's much better to reformat and > reinstall in such cases. > > Can you use "Target Disk Mode" to mount your new iMac from your old > iBook? In that case you might be able to salvage any files you're > missing from your current backup before starting over from scratch. > > > j o a r > Hi, It lets me start up from the CD, and it lets me run Disk Utility, but it finds missing threads, then displays "Error: The underlying task reported failure on exit" and then aborts the repair process. When I plug the iMac into my iBook and try turning the power on while holding the T button down, the symbol comes up on the iMac's screen so that I know it is in disk mode, but strangely it never shows up as a drive in the iBook Finder. Is there a way I can go "looking" for it, or am I just out of luck if it does not show up in Finder automatically? Thanks, Steven P.S. Sorry joar for replying directly to you... From shawnce at gmail.com Wed May 2 08:09:07 2007 From: shawnce at gmail.com (Shawn Erickson) Date: Wed May 2 08:09:11 2007 Subject: Startup issues In-Reply-To: <5500A6CE-BD3F-4769-964A-1F7A03EBD351@stevendewitt.ca> References: <9288F4F3-E437-4002-8618-48A148A5782F@stevendewitt.ca> <446F19CC-FF70-4808-9313-2D9B34013B9D@stevendewitt.ca> <62CDD3B6-C80E-4AC3-A104-22785D92CB31@joar.com> <5500A6CE-BD3F-4769-964A-1F7A03EBD351@stevendewitt.ca> Message-ID: On 5/2/07, Steven DeWitt wrote: > > If you can't even boot from a CD, then I don't see how the problem > > could be with your internal HD - And in that case DiskWarrior will > > not be able to resolve your problem. > > > > Also, if you have a good backup I wouldn't bother with trying to > > rescue the current filesystem. IMO it's much better to reformat and > > reinstall in such cases. > > > > Can you use "Target Disk Mode" to mount your new iMac from your old > > iBook? In that case you might be able to salvage any files you're > > missing from your current backup before starting over from scratch. > > > > > > j o a r > > > > Hi, > > It lets me start up from the CD, and it lets me run Disk Utility, but > it finds missing threads, then displays "Error: The underlying task > reported failure on exit" and then aborts the repair process. > > When I plug the iMac into my iBook and try turning the power on while > holding the T button down, the symbol comes up on the iMac's screen > so that I know it is in disk mode, but strangely it never shows up as > a drive in the iBook Finder. Is there a way I can go "looking" for > it, or am I just out of luck if it does not show up in Finder > automatically? In that case I would give Disk Warrior a shot by running it on your iBook while connected via Firewire to your iMac in target disk mode. You can use Disk Utility to see if your iBook can see the physical disk in your iMac. If you can see it listed in that tool then it is alive enough to attempt using Disk Warrior. -Shawn From libertyof76 at supernet.com Wed May 2 09:26:06 2007 From: libertyof76 at supernet.com (Matthew Butch) Date: Wed May 2 09:26:15 2007 Subject: Startup issues In-Reply-To: <446F19CC-FF70-4808-9313-2D9B34013B9D@stevendewitt.ca> References: <9288F4F3-E437-4002-8618-48A148A5782F@stevendewitt.ca> <446F19CC-FF70-4808-9313-2D9B34013B9D@stevendewitt.ca> Message-ID: <35351F8C-8FE7-408A-BF34-82BA40FC7543@supernet.com> That sounds like your HD to me. Its a good thing you backed up your files. On May 01, 2007, at 18:23 , Steven DeWitt wrote: > Hi again, > > After some diagnosis and research, I see that my problem is more > serious than I thought: I can no longer start up in regular or safe > mode, can't start up in single-user mode to enter Terminal > commands, and can't run a disk utility repair from the install CD > without getting an abort message. All this after less than 3 > months! Anyway, I spoke to the folks at Apple as well, but I am > going to try DiskWarrior before I go erasing the disk completely I > guess. So while I wait for the Diskwarrior CD to come in the mail, > I guess I have to just put the Intel machine aside and pull the old > faithful PowerPC unit back out of the closet. Once again, > thankfully I had only last night backed up all my work files and e- > mail onto my laptop for the first time in I think forever, so it > could have been a million times worse -- all I have lost access to > for now is mainly iTunes files and photos. Thanks to David for the > private reply. > > Cheers > > Steven > > Le 07-05-01 ? 10:24, Steven DeWitt a ?crit : > >> Good morning, >> >> This morning when I turn on my iMac (Intel), it takes forever to >> start up, and then it makes a dozen or more attempts to load the >> desktop, and then the desktop is almost unresponsive after that. I >> know this is a dumb question, but I've never had a problem on a >> Mac before -- what should I do next? >> >> Writing from my iBook which thankfully I backed up my files to >> last night, >> >> Steven >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> MacOSX-talk mailing list >> MacOSX-talk@omnigroup.com >> http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-talk >> > > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-talk mailing list > MacOSX-talk@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-talk -- Matthew Butch Sent with Mac OS X Mail 2.1 (752/752.2) From list-omnigroup at fsck.net Wed May 2 12:53:12 2007 From: list-omnigroup at fsck.net (Eugene) Date: Wed May 2 12:53:19 2007 Subject: Problem with QT 7.1.6 update anyone In-Reply-To: <7F660EB0-6B17-4D67-900D-4A7BBDC04CAF@mac.com> References: <01FE76AD-C4F8-4E32-B7B1-7426850028F1@tisys.org> <7F660EB0-6B17-4D67-900D-4A7BBDC04CAF@mac.com> Message-ID: <20070502195312.GA415@user-12lmfba.cable.mindspring.com> On Wed, May 02, 2007 at 06:37:42AM CDT, mikecap@mac.com wrote: : : On May 2, 2007, at 3:29 AM, Nils Holland wrote: : : > So, the question: Has anyone else had this issue yesterday? If so, do you : > happen to use OmniWeb and / or PathFinder as well? : : I use OmniWeb, but not PathFinder, and had no problem installing the update : on 2 machines, 1 PPC and 1 Intel. Same here, OmniWeb + Finder + MacTel = no probs. -- Eugene http://www.coxar.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/ From david at idiomatrix.com Wed May 2 13:05:16 2007 From: david at idiomatrix.com (David Herren) Date: Wed May 2 13:05:44 2007 Subject: OT (sort of): opinions on color laser printers for OSX Message-ID: I've been using an HP Color Laserjet 2600n for the last year and have been pretty pleased with it. Ironically it took all of about 15 minutes to download and configure two Macs to use it, and about 2 hours to configure an HP labeled PC to print to it... I am about to move to the US again and after spending a year with a color laser, I want to have one there as well. Any recommendations? /david -- david herren, terra solsys orionarm "If the terriers and barriffs are torn down, this economy will grow." -George W. Bush, Jan 7, 2000 http://www.bushorchimp.com/ From lists at toddwarfel.com Wed May 2 13:57:04 2007 From: lists at toddwarfel.com (Todd Zaki Warfel) Date: Wed May 2 13:57:27 2007 Subject: OT (sort of): opinions on color laser printers for OSX In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I have a Xerox 7750DN 11x17 network printer that's amazing. It was an eBay purchase from the Xerox store - discontinued model that was about 30% of retail. I've had HP, Expson, Canon, Xerox, Ricoh, and Xerox by far has the most accurate colour. HP is great for BW, but not that great for colour. On May 2, 2007, at 4:05 PM, David Herren wrote: > I've been using an HP Color Laserjet 2600n for the last year and > have been pretty pleased with it. Ironically it took all of about > 15 minutes to download and configure two Macs to use it, and about > 2 hours to configure an HP labeled PC to print to it... > > I am about to move to the US again and after spending a year with a > color laser, I want to have one there as well. Any recommendations? > > /david Cheers! Todd Zaki Warfel Partner, Design & Usability Specialist Messagefirst | Designing Information. Beautifully. ---------------------------------- Contact Info Voice: (215) 825-7423 Email: todd@messagefirst.com AIM: twarfel@mac.com Blog: http://toddwarfel.com ---------------------------------- In theory, theory and practice are the same. In practice, they are not. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Search Dell Refurb Printer All the best, Andrew Darlow --------------------------------------------------- Andrew Darlow Editor, The Imaging Buffet http://www.imagingbuffet.com Chief Cook: http://www.bigdiner.com Our most recent podcast available via phone 24/7: +1 (415) 376-7216 On May 2, 2007, at 4:05 PM, David Herren wrote: > I've been using an HP Color Laserjet 2600n for the last year and > have been pretty pleased with it. Ironically it took all of about > 15 minutes to download and configure two Macs to use it, and about > 2 hours to configure an HP labeled PC to print to it... > > I am about to move to the US again and after spending a year with a > color laser, I want to have one there as well. Any recommendations? > > /david > > -- > david herren, terra solsys orionarm > > "If the terriers and barriffs are torn down, this economy will grow." > -George W. Bush, Jan 7, 2000 > > http://www.bushorchimp.com/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-talk mailing list > MacOSX-talk@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-talk --------------------------------------------------- Andrew Darlow Editor, The Imaging Buffet http://www.imagingbuffet.com Chief Cook: http://www.bigdiner.com Our most recent podcast available via phone 24/7: +1 (415) 376-7216 From henry at trilithon.com Wed May 2 18:21:52 2007 From: henry at trilithon.com (Henry McGilton) Date: Wed May 2 18:20:25 2007 Subject: OT (sort of): opinions on color laser printers for OSX In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On May 2, 2007, at 1:05 PM, David Herren wrote: > I've been using an HP Color Laserjet 2600n for the last year and > have been pretty pleased with it. Ironically it took all of about > 15 minutes to download and configure two Macs to use it, and about > 2 hours to configure an HP labeled PC to print to it... > > I am about to move to the US again and after spending a year with a > color laser, I want to have one there as well. Any recommendations? I've had a HP 2550 for about three years. It works pretty well, and the price was good . . . Cheers, ........ Henry ===============================+============================ Henry McGilton, Boulevardier | Trilithon Software Objective-C/Java Composer | Seroia Research -------------------------------+---------------------------- mailto:henry@trilithon.com | http://www.trilithon.com | ===============================+============================ From mrhatken at mac.com Wed May 2 18:31:00 2007 From: mrhatken at mac.com (Ashley Aitken) Date: Wed May 2 18:31:51 2007 Subject: Colour laser printers and photos? Message-ID: Howdy All, To follow on from David's question about colour printers: What's the story with colour laser printers and printing photos? Can one produce as good quality prints on a colour laser printer as a colour inkjet printer with special paper? Would special paper help with colour laser printing? I assume not due to the different processes. Is the problem just that colour laser printers can't produce the "glossy" effect that inkjets can? I really don't want to buy a colour ink-jet due to ink costs and heads drying out or getting clogged if not used regularly - seems a real money-pit to me. I'm just wondering if it is worth going to a colour laser for photos and the occasional pamphlet or continuing with a black and white laser (duplex even) and photo service (or my father's ink-jet) for occasional photo prints. Thanks for any comments on these points. Cheers, Ashley. PS This relates to Macs because Macs can print ... -- Ashley Aitken Perth, Western Australia mrhatken at mac dot com Skype Name: MrHatken (GMT + 8 Hours!) From robertlaferla at comcast.net Wed May 2 19:27:19 2007 From: robertlaferla at comcast.net (Robert La Ferla) Date: Wed May 2 19:27:24 2007 Subject: OT (sort of): opinions on color laser printers for OSX In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On May 2, 2007, at 4:05 PM, David Herren wrote: > I've been using an HP Color Laserjet 2600n for the last year and > have been pretty pleased with it. Ironically it took all of about > 15 minutes to download and configure two Macs to use it, and about > 2 hours to configure an HP labeled PC to print to it... > > I am about to move to the US again and after spending a year with a > color laser, I want to have one there as well. Any recommendations? > Also, look at the Brother color lasers. I have the HL-2700CN. It's a nice printer for the price. It is a network printer so you can share it. The color prints are very crisp but photos are nothing like you see on a good inkjet. The downside to the Brother (at least my model) is that it's large, heavy, a bit noisy and slow to startup. From robertlaferla at comcast.net Wed May 2 19:32:17 2007 From: robertlaferla at comcast.net (Robert La Ferla) Date: Wed May 2 19:32:21 2007 Subject: Colour laser printers and photos? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <288D1022-021B-4AB6-A02A-5D196B78CFAC@comcast.net> On May 2, 2007, at 9:31 PM, Ashley Aitken wrote: > > What's the story with colour laser printers and printing photos? > Can one produce as good quality prints on a colour laser printer as > a colour inkjet printer with special paper? > > Would special paper help with colour laser printing? I assume not > due to the different processes. Is the problem just that colour > laser printers can't produce the "glossy" effect that inkjets can? I'm no printer expert but I believe inkjets can produce more smooth transitions between dots and more color gradients than lasers can. It is not a function of the paper. For good photos, you need inkjet or dye sublimation. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dye-sublimation_printer From scott at cocoadoc.com Wed May 2 20:02:22 2007 From: scott at cocoadoc.com (Scott Anguish) Date: Wed May 2 20:02:28 2007 Subject: Colour laser printers and photos? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: depending on your needs. I definitely get better quality 'pictures and photos' from the inkjet. the color laser is good for charts and graphs. For straight up draft printing, my Brother laser can't be beat. I recently bought a new Canon IP4300 to replace an IP4200 (ironically unnecessarily once I found the pen in the paper tray) the IP4300 was $66 with ink. And a total ink set was about the same. ($15 each or so) The laser on the other hand was about $300, and is significantly slower on bbw. EACH toner cartridege is $85 and is good for only 2000 pages. also the sales dude told me that the inkjet machines in this price range are basically a 2 year product. On May 2, 2007, at 9:31 PM, Ashley Aitken wrote: > I really don't want to buy a colour ink-jet due to ink costs and > heads drying out or getting clogged if not used regularly - seems a > real money-pit to me. I've not heard about this clogging... is this an issue with modern printers? From henry at trilithon.com Wed May 2 20:14:43 2007 From: henry at trilithon.com (Henry McGilton) Date: Wed May 2 20:13:10 2007 Subject: OT (sort of): opinions on color laser printers for OSX In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3C4A07C7-5076-453D-BD9A-B759679F1CD8@trilithon.com> On May 2, 2007, at 7:27 PM, Robert La Ferla wrote: > > On May 2, 2007, at 4:05 PM, David Herren wrote: > >> I've been using an HP Color Laserjet 2600n for the last year and >> have been pretty pleased with it. Ironically it took all of about >> 15 minutes to download and configure two Macs to use it, and about >> 2 hours to configure an HP labeled PC to print to it... >> >> I am about to move to the US again and after spending a year with >> a color laser, I want to have one there as well. Any recommendations? >> > > Also, look at the Brother color lasers. I have the HL-2700CN. > It's a nice printer for the price. It is a network printer so you > can share it. The color prints are very crisp but photos are > nothing like you see on a good inkjet. The downside to the Brother > (at least my model) is that it's large, heavy, a bit noisy and slow > to startup. I forgot to mention in my previous post. Watch out for PostScript support (or lack thereof) if PostScript is important to you. Too many of these colour laser printers (or the monochrome printers for that matter) either don't support PostScript at all, or, they lead you through a maze of sleazy list of 'features' where you come out at the end not knowing if they in fact do support PostScript. PostScript support is still important to me, so I watch that stuff carefully. The HP 2550 i have seems to support PostScript Level Three okay, so I am okay with it. Cheers, ........ Henry ===============================+============================ Henry McGilton, Boulevardier | Trilithon Software Objective-C/Java Composer | Seroia Research -------------------------------+---------------------------- mailto:henry@trilithon.com | http://www.trilithon.com | ===============================+============================ From AD at andrewdarlow.com Wed May 2 21:52:25 2007 From: AD at andrewdarlow.com (Andrew Darlow) Date: Wed May 2 21:52:33 2007 Subject: Colour laser printers and photos? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <59DE8578-76D3-46D3-B8D9-E52312C4AFBC@andrewdarlow.com> Hi Ashley: I have used a few different color lasers and with good paper like the ones linked to below, you can get semi-gloss images that look very much like photos. The Konica Minolta Magicolor laser and Dell color lasers (3100cn and similar) are both great choices. http://www.storaenso.com/CDAvgn/main/0,,1_-1100-15730-,00.html? WT.svl=111 or under office paper: www.storaenso.com/4cc * you can launch a mini site and order samples. Hope that helps, --------------------------------------------------- Andrew Darlow Editor, The Imaging Buffet http://www.imagingbuffet.com Chief Cook: http://www.bigdiner.com Our most recent podcast available via phone 24/7: +1 (415) 376-7216 On May 2, 2007, at 9:31 PM, Ashley Aitken wrote: > > Howdy All, > > To follow on from David's question about colour printers: > > What's the story with colour laser printers and printing photos? > Can one produce as good quality prints on a colour laser printer as > a colour inkjet printer with special paper? > > Would special paper help with colour laser printing? I assume not > due to the different processes. Is the problem just that colour > laser printers can't produce the "glossy" effect that inkjets can? > > I really don't want to buy a colour ink-jet due to ink costs and > heads drying out or getting clogged if not used regularly - seems a > real money-pit to me. > > I'm just wondering if it is worth going to a colour laser for > photos and the occasional pamphlet or continuing with a black and > white laser (duplex even) and photo service (or my father's ink- > jet) for occasional photo prints. > > Thanks for any comments on these points. > > Cheers, > Ashley. > > PS This relates to Macs because Macs can print ... > > -- > Ashley Aitken > Perth, Western Australia > mrhatken at mac dot com > Skype Name: MrHatken (GMT + 8 Hours!) > > > > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-talk mailing list > MacOSX-talk@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-talk From scott at maxify.com Thu May 3 01:15:38 2007 From: scott at maxify.com (Scott Stevenson) Date: Thu May 3 01:15:53 2007 Subject: OT (sort of): opinions on color laser printers for OSX In-Reply-To: <3C4A07C7-5076-453D-BD9A-B759679F1CD8@trilithon.com> References: <3C4A07C7-5076-453D-BD9A-B759679F1CD8@trilithon.com> Message-ID: <631300F0-C9B4-49A3-BAD9-6C4B82E0880A@maxify.com> On May 2, 2007, at 8:14 PM, Henry McGilton wrote: > I forgot to mention in my previous post. Watch out for > PostScript support (or lack thereof) if PostScript is important > to you. I don't think should matter nowadays, right? Mac OS X can convert PostScript into PDF on the fly. You can print PostScript content to an inkjet printer, if I remember correctly. I haven't looked at this in a while, though. - Scott -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I suppose the question I should really ask is: what does PDF provide that PostScript does not? > You can print PostScript content to an inkjet printer, > if I remember correctly. That one I don't know about --- I would like to know more. Right now I use MacGhostView (from Tom Kiffe) to view PostScript and to print to the InkJet. How would one go about printing directly to an InkJet? If I start with PostScript, it seems that somewhere in the pipeline between the file system and the print engine, there has to be a PostScript interpreter of some sort, and I don't see that, say, the Epson Stylus 960 has a built in PostScript engine . . . Cheers, ........ Henry ===============================+============================ Henry McGilton, Boulevardier | Trilithon Software Objective-C/Java Composer | Seroia Research -------------------------------+---------------------------- mailto:henry@trilithon.com | http://www.trilithon.com | ===============================+============================ From chad at objectwerks.com Thu May 3 10:09:31 2007 From: chad at objectwerks.com (Chad Leigh -- ObjectWerks Inc) Date: Thu May 3 10:09:35 2007 Subject: OT (sort of): opinions on color laser printers for OSX In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <787F6362-5397-4468-94D7-D9D58F40E91C@objectwerks.com> On May 2, 2007, at 2:05 PM, David Herren wrote: > I've been using an HP Color Laserjet 2600n for the last year and > have been pretty pleased with it. Ironically it took all of about > 15 minutes to download and configure two Macs to use it, and about > 2 hours to configure an HP labeled PC to print to it... > I have a Konica Minolta Magicolor 5x40 (I think it is 5340). It works really well and the photos look as good as ink jet photos (you need the Konica Minolta with the 9600dpi photo mode -- whatever they call it). I cannot compare color accuracy etc since I am not an expert and have not tried various models but it works really easily with OS X and is pretty fast (I upped the memory to 640MB). I use it mainly to print flyers and stuff like that. Ad sheets to stick in orders I send out, etc Chad From kremels at kreme.com Thu May 3 09:49:35 2007 From: kremels at kreme.com (LuKreme) Date: Thu May 3 10:11:19 2007 Subject: OT (sort of): opinions on color laser printers for OSX In-Reply-To: References: <3C4A07C7-5076-453D-BD9A-B759679F1CD8@trilithon.com> <631300F0-C9B4-49A3-BAD9-6C4B82E0880A@maxify.com> Message-ID: <25B5E09E-CAD2-4F3A-AF44-14661712FCEB@kreme.com> On 3-May-2007, at 09:36, Henry McGilton wrote: > I suppose the question I should really ask is: what does PDF > provide that PostScript does not? Practically universal support. -- Lister: What d'ya think of Betty? Cat: Betty Rubble? Well, I would go with Betty... but I'd be thinking of Wilma. Lister: This is crazy. Why are we talking about going to bed with Wilma Flintstone? Cat: You're right. We're nuts. This is an insane conversation. Lister: She'll never leave Fred, and we know it. From chad at objectwerks.com Thu May 3 10:16:33 2007 From: chad at objectwerks.com (Chad Leigh -- ObjectWerks Inc) Date: Thu May 3 10:16:29 2007 Subject: Colour laser printers and photos? In-Reply-To: <59DE8578-76D3-46D3-B8D9-E52312C4AFBC@andrewdarlow.com> References: <59DE8578-76D3-46D3-B8D9-E52312C4AFBC@andrewdarlow.com> Message-ID: <1CE8F958-7FC7-48E7-932D-E5D9D63B83B7@objectwerks.com> On May 2, 2007, at 10:52 PM, Andrew Darlow wrote: > Hi Ashley: > > I have used a few different color lasers and with good paper like > the ones linked to below, you can get semi-gloss images that look > very much like photos. The Konica Minolta Magicolor laser and Dell > color lasers (3100cn and similar) are both great choices. My Konica Minolta does photos as well as any inkjet I have tried -- I don't use it for that but tried some tests -- on regular good quality laser paper. Magicolor 5x40 I think -- cannot remember what x is. Has the special photo mode. (not all K-M printers do). I have not tried special paper as I send my photos out. But for quickies and flyers and newsletters and stuff the embedded photos look better off the Magicolor Konica Minolta printer than any inkjets I have and I have a "high end" (= several 100$ made for photo printing) HP inkjet that is like 8 color as well as an EDpson 6 color printer. Again, I have not tested the K-M specifically for photos on special paper but have printed flyers and newsletters a stuff with embedded photos and they look better. And cheaper. I don't know how much I get out of the color toner but I have printer a LOT of full color total page cover sales flyers [whole page was printed on in dark colors -- no white paper left -- not your typical color printout] and am still on the original toner. It keeps warning me about being low on toner but keeps on printing without any noticeable effects. I also logged into the printer and turned down the coverage numbers for each color to save toner and the flyers keep printing out the same before and after. Chad From henry at trilithon.com Thu May 3 10:32:43 2007 From: henry at trilithon.com (Henry McGilton) Date: Thu May 3 10:31:11 2007 Subject: Anybody Else Installed Photoshop CS3 ? In-Reply-To: <6AC8C2CC-4DF4-4726-A449-F669980CC715@kreme.com> References: <88A005EE-2392-4106-AE2E-BA5C18B4BAE6@trilithon.com> <86mz0oyd8l.fsf@blue.stonehenge.com> <6AC8C2CC-4DF4-4726-A449-F669980CC715@kreme.com> Message-ID: On May 2, 2007, at 1:30 AM, LuKreme wrote: > On 1-May-2007, at 05:50, Randal L. Schwartz wrote: >> So then I look again at the labs.adobe.com page, and it points at >> a python >> script that is *really* dangerous but purports to do the job. > > SysCall('rm -R "%s"' % d). It doesn't even move the files to the > Trash. At least it is quoting the directory path, so it should be > OK. SHOULD. > > [SNIP] > >> Adobe missed the ball on this one, especially with so MANY people >> who had >> installed the Beta. > > I don't use Adobe CS3 (or 2 or CS or really anything from Adobe, > but I did look at the python script. > > It reminded me WHY I dislike the Adobe apps so much. A Big Thank You to everybody who chimed in with valuable suggestions on this issue. I finally got to looking at that 'clean' Python script, and that was somewhat scary to contemplate. I previewed and then ran it at level 1, and it did the trick, and I now have CS3 release version running successfully. I chuckled at the final line of the script: 'press Enter to exit': But, as various list people said, this is no way to 'support' products. Adobe have never really come to terms with UNIX, as anybody who has ever battled their TranScript build procedures will attest . . . Cheers, ........ Henry ===============================+============================ Henry McGilton, Boulevardier | Trilithon Software Objective-C/Java Composer | Seroia Research -------------------------------+---------------------------- mailto:henry@trilithon.com | http://www.trilithon.com | ===============================+============================ From macsrwe at macsrwe.com Thu May 3 15:59:24 2007 From: macsrwe at macsrwe.com (Macs R We) Date: Thu May 3 15:59:42 2007 Subject: OT (sort of): opinions on color laser printers for OSX In-Reply-To: <20070503190006.8C2F116F70A@forums.omnigroup.com> References: <20070503190006.8C2F116F70A@forums.omnigroup.com> Message-ID: On May 3, 2007, at 12:00 PM, macosx-talk-request@omnigroup.com wrote: > Also, look at the Brother color lasers. I have the HL-2700CN. It's > a nice printer for the price. It is a network printer so you can > share it. The color prints are very crisp but photos are nothing > like you see on a good inkjet. The downside to the Brother (at least > my model) is that it's large, heavy, a bit noisy and slow to startup. The major beef is that it has absolutely no manual feed capability, so if you want a single envelope or sheet of labels, you have to empty and reconfigure the entire drawer. The feed mechanism is also fragile, to the point where they warn you not to use most common styles of envelope in it. Mine no longer feeds envelopes at all, and has problems feeding light card stock. In general, my experience with Brothers is that mechanical annoyances start cropping up shortly after warranty expiration. On the plus side, the imaging is very crisp and Brother's compatibility with Macs borders on affinity, e.g., the inclusion of Bonjour in this printer model. Also, they are often available for prices you can't refuse. I continue to buy them. > What's the story with colour laser printers and printing photos? Can > one produce as good quality prints on a colour laser printer as a > colour inkjet printer with special paper? Lasers with their high heat don't cotton much to fancy coated papers. Bond paper will never show off a photo as well as a photo paper. Still, for utilitarian images (e.g, a photo of each kid over his own clothes hook) it's very serviceable. -- Macs R We -- Personal Macintosh Service and Support in the Wickenburg and far Northwest Valley Areas. http://macsrwe.com From robertlaferla at comcast.net Thu May 3 17:41:25 2007 From: robertlaferla at comcast.net (Robert La Ferla) Date: Thu May 3 17:41:32 2007 Subject: PC World editor quits after a dispute - The Boston Globe Message-ID: <9A0F6640-941A-4FC3-B676-0596BDA6B81A@comcast.net> http://www.boston.com/business/ticker/2007/05/pc_world_editor.html From fusion at mx6.tiki.ne.jp Thu May 3 20:01:06 2007 From: fusion at mx6.tiki.ne.jp (Jean-Christophe Helary) Date: Thu May 3 20:01:34 2007 Subject: SUN decides to contribute 2 full time programmers to the OOo/Mac port Message-ID: <80B41D28-7F70-4BC3-9AB2-2B6EAF01C66F@mx6.tiki.ne.jp> You may have seen that on Slashdot already. Good news for the OOo port for Mac, already close to an alpha release. http://blogs.sun.com/GullFOSS/entry/ sun_microsystems_engineering_joins_porting Jean-Christophe Helary From scott at cocoadoc.com Thu May 3 22:50:15 2007 From: scott at cocoadoc.com (Scott Anguish) Date: Thu May 3 22:50:29 2007 Subject: PC World editor quits after a dispute - The Boston Globe In-Reply-To: <9A0F6640-941A-4FC3-B676-0596BDA6B81A@comcast.net> References: <9A0F6640-941A-4FC3-B676-0596BDA6B81A@comcast.net> Message-ID: <44F67EF1-9BA9-4CB7-818B-3659814D55BA@cocoadoc.com> having read the Wired article, it sounds like it was one of those '10 reasons to hate Apple' articles. No real journalism there. so I think there is more to this than has been said so far. On May 3, 2007, at 8:41 PM, Robert La Ferla wrote: > http://www.boston.com/business/ticker/2007/05/pc_world_editor.html > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-talk mailing list > MacOSX-talk@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-talk From scott at maxify.com Fri May 4 01:51:05 2007 From: scott at maxify.com (Scott Stevenson) Date: Fri May 4 01:51:26 2007 Subject: OT (sort of): opinions on color laser printers for OSX In-Reply-To: References: <3C4A07C7-5076-453D-BD9A-B759679F1CD8@trilithon.com> <631300F0-C9B4-49A3-BAD9-6C4B82E0880A@maxify.com> Message-ID: <6721EBDC-B5E9-465C-9D33-00F6063AB138@maxify.com> On May 3, 2007, at 8:36 AM, Henry McGilton wrote: > I suppose the question I should really ask is: what does PDF > provide that PostScript does not? Broader printer selection? > If I start with PostScript, it seems that somewhere in the pipeline > between the file system and the print engine, there has to be a > PostScript interpreter of some sort Oh, but there is: "The Preview application (in Mac OS X v10.3 and later) automatically converts PostScript files to PDF." - Scott From jimstead at mac.com Fri May 4 05:42:15 2007 From: jimstead at mac.com (James Stead) Date: Fri May 4 05:42:06 2007 Subject: PC World editor quits after a dispute - The Boston Globe In-Reply-To: <44F67EF1-9BA9-4CB7-818B-3659814D55BA@cocoadoc.com> References: <9A0F6640-941A-4FC3-B676-0596BDA6B81A@comcast.net> <44F67EF1-9BA9-4CB7-818B-3659814D55BA@cocoadoc.com> Message-ID: Not to mention that this is hardly Mike Royko writing about big time political fraud. So the guy had an article rejected by his boss. Big deal. Jim On May 4, 2007, at 1:50 AM, Scott Anguish wrote: > having read the Wired article, it sounds like it was one of those > '10 reasons to hate Apple' articles. No real journalism there. > > so I think there is more to this than has been said so far. > > > On May 3, 2007, at 8:41 PM, Robert La Ferla wrote: > >> http://www.boston.com/business/ticker/2007/05/pc_world_editor.html >> _______________________________________________ >> MacOSX-talk mailing list >> MacOSX-talk@omnigroup.com >> http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-talk > > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-talk mailing list > MacOSX-talk@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-talk James E. Stead 407.252.3321 jimstead@mac.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /mailman/archive/macosx-talk/attachments/20070504/188ac3c1/attachment.html From henry at trilithon.com Fri May 4 08:12:52 2007 From: henry at trilithon.com (Henry McGilton) Date: Fri May 4 08:11:23 2007 Subject: OT (sort of): opinions on color laser printers for OSX In-Reply-To: <6721EBDC-B5E9-465C-9D33-00F6063AB138@maxify.com> References: <3C4A07C7-5076-453D-BD9A-B759679F1CD8@trilithon.com> <631300F0-C9B4-49A3-BAD9-6C4B82E0880A@maxify.com> <6721EBDC-B5E9-465C-9D33-00F6063AB138@maxify.com> Message-ID: On May 4, 2007, at 1:51 AM, Scott Stevenson wrote: > > On May 3, 2007, at 8:36 AM, Henry McGilton wrote: > >> I suppose the question I should really ask is: what does PDF >> provide that PostScript does not? > > Broader printer selection? Ah, good point . . . > > >> If I start with PostScript, it seems that somewhere in the >> pipeline between the file system and the print engine, there has >> to be a PostScript interpreter of some sort > > Oh, but there is: > > "The Preview application (in Mac OS X v10.3 and later) automatically > converts PostScript files to PDF." Well, yes, I am aware of that. But as I said before, it's fine as long as it works . . . Somewhere (I have to hunt) I have PostScript documents that display okay in MacGhostView, but which Preview declines to convert. I will try to repeat the experiment on the latest Preview and see if there are any informative messages . . . Cheers, ........ Henry ===============================+============================ Henry McGilton, Boulevardier | Trilithon Software Objective-C/Java Composer | Seroia Research -------------------------------+---------------------------- mailto:henry@trilithon.com | http://www.trilithon.com | ===============================+============================ From newslists at autonomy.caltech.edu Fri May 4 11:58:37 2007 From: newslists at autonomy.caltech.edu (Roland Torres) Date: Fri May 4 11:58:40 2007 Subject: [SOLVED] Re: Turning off AE broadcast w/LAN port still active? In-Reply-To: <4BBA68BA-4BA4-45C2-8B3B-6BF8A04FC454@autonomy.caltech.edu> References: <4BBA68BA-4BA4-45C2-8B3B-6BF8A04FC454@autonomy.caltech.edu> Message-ID: <24482ADC-9850-4929-917D-6390296C0BF0@autonomy.caltech.edu> On Apr 19, 2007, at 10:30 AM, Roland Torres wrote: > One of our classroom workshops has an Airport Extreme base station > located in it. The instructor's system is hardwired to the LAN > Port. All the other systems in the classroom access the AE > wirelessly. This works great. But at certain times, such as after > hours, they want to be able to turn off the wireless transmission > of the base station, yet keep the LAN Port active so the instructor > can continue using his system. How can this be done? > Okay, here's how we solved this. We had the school purchase a wireless booster and external antenna from MacWireless: http://www.macwireless.com/html/products/antennas_boosters/ airport_boosters.php The booster is powered by a tiny wall transformer. Putting a simple switch: http://www.3488.cn/product/4/1-15B.jpg on the transformer does exactly what they need. When switched on, everything works as normal. When switch off, the student systems receive no signal, while the instructor's system keeps on truckin. Roland From mrhatken at mac.com Fri May 4 18:24:31 2007 From: mrhatken at mac.com (Ashley Aitken) Date: Fri May 4 18:25:31 2007 Subject: OT (sort of): opinions on color laser printers for OSX In-Reply-To: References: <3C4A07C7-5076-453D-BD9A-B759679F1CD8@trilithon.com> <631300F0-C9B4-49A3-BAD9-6C4B82E0880A@maxify.com> <6721EBDC-B5E9-465C-9D33-00F6063AB138@maxify.com> Message-ID: <71B78880-5C22-4583-A912-DDB564BAB0E9@mac.com> On 04/05/2007, at 11:12 PM, Henry McGilton wrote: > Well, yes, I am aware of that. But as I said before, it's > fine as long as it works . . . Somewhere (I have to hunt) > I have PostScript documents that display okay in MacGhostView, > but which Preview declines to convert. I will try to repeat > the experiment on the latest Preview and see if there are any > informative messages . . . Of course, PDF uses the display model of Postscript but does not have the programming aspects (of Postscript). I don't believe Preview can handle Postscript files that utilise the programming aspects in particular ways. So there will be some Postscript files (usually hand written) that cannot be successfully converted to PDF. Cheers, Ashley. -- Ashley Aitken Perth, Western Australia mrhatken at mac dot com Skype Name: MrHatken (GMT + 8 Hours!) From henry at trilithon.com Fri May 4 19:30:39 2007 From: henry at trilithon.com (Henry McGilton) Date: Fri May 4 19:29:09 2007 Subject: OT (sort of): opinions on color laser printers for OSX In-Reply-To: <71B78880-5C22-4583-A912-DDB564BAB0E9@mac.com> References: <3C4A07C7-5076-453D-BD9A-B759679F1CD8@trilithon.com> <631300F0-C9B4-49A3-BAD9-6C4B82E0880A@maxify.com> <6721EBDC-B5E9-465C-9D33-00F6063AB138@maxify.com> <71B78880-5C22-4583-A912-DDB564BAB0E9@mac.com> Message-ID: <41CDA798-D347-4A3D-8179-F6B334CFAB79@trilithon.com> On May 4, 2007, at 6:24 PM, Ashley Aitken wrote: > > On 04/05/2007, at 11:12 PM, Henry McGilton wrote: > >> Well, yes, I am aware of that. But as I said before, it's >> fine as long as it works . . . Somewhere (I have to hunt) >> I have PostScript documents that display okay in MacGhostView, >> but which Preview declines to convert. I will try to repeat >> the experiment on the latest Preview and see if there are any >> informative messages . . . > > Of course, PDF uses the display model of Postscript but does not > have the programming aspects (of Postscript). Yes, no argument there at all. PostScript was largely procedural; PDF is mainly declarative (and I like declarative). One could argue that PDF has eliminated an enormous class of potential programming errors precisely because it is declarative. > I don't believe Preview can handle Postscript files that utilise > the programming aspects in particular ways. So there will be some > Postscript files (usually hand written) that cannot be successfully > converted to PDF. Agreed. One of PostScript's greatest strengths was its extensibility via its procedural abilities. In retrospect, that turned out to be a huge liability as well --- every application developer ended up inventing a new programming language. Just look at the grodiness of Illustrator's prologues. And then look at Freehand's prologues. And then look at Quark's prologues. They're all doing essentially the same thing, but with mutually incomprehensible languages. Much of the PostScript I have created *is* hand crafted. See 'PostScript By Example' for 750+ hand crafted pictures to illustrate the effects obtained from specific PostScript code. But, 99 percent of my hand crafted PostScript is straightforward very simple code with no explorations into the dark corners of the PostScript dungeons and minimal use of programming aspects. Without wishing to flog this particular horse any more, pretty much all of that hand crafted PostScript displayed fine with YAP and Preview on NextStep, displayed fine with GhostView/GhostScript on a (shudder) PC, and displays fine on MacGhostView/GhostScript on our current wonderful OS X. Today's Preview seems to choke on some fairly simple PostScript stuff, and I will try to understand why. As time goes by, the issue starts to fade (so to speak) anyway. Cheers, ........ Henry ===============================+============================ Henry McGilton, Boulevardier | Trilithon Software Objective-C/Java Composer | Seroia Research -------------------------------+---------------------------- mailto:henry@trilithon.com | http://www.trilithon.com | ===============================+============================ From mrhatken at mac.com Fri May 4 20:18:39 2007 From: mrhatken at mac.com (Ashley Aitken) Date: Fri May 4 20:19:16 2007 Subject: OT (sort of): opinions on color laser printers for OSX In-Reply-To: <41CDA798-D347-4A3D-8179-F6B334CFAB79@trilithon.com> References: <3C4A07C7-5076-453D-BD9A-B759679F1CD8@trilithon.com> <631300F0-C9B4-49A3-BAD9-6C4B82E0880A@maxify.com> <6721EBDC-B5E9-465C-9D33-00F6063AB138@maxify.com> <71B78880-5C22-4583-A912-DDB564BAB0E9@mac.com> <41CDA798-D347-4A3D-8179-F6B334CFAB79@trilithon.com> Message-ID: <55F430E6-3E43-4A7F-9A58-31C7FABFF133@mac.com> Hi Henry (et al.), On 05/05/2007, at 10:30 AM, Henry McGilton wrote: > Much of the PostScript I have created *is* hand crafted. See > 'PostScript By Example' for 750+ hand crafted pictures > to illustrate the effects obtained from specific PostScript code. > But, 99 percent of my hand crafted PostScript is straightforward > very simple code with no explorations into the dark corners of > the PostScript dungeons and minimal use of programming aspects. But any use of programming aspects would be possible cause for a problem. > Without wishing to flog this particular horse any more, pretty > much all of that hand crafted PostScript displayed fine with > YAP and Preview on NextStep, displayed fine with GhostView/GhostScript > on a (shudder) PC, and displays fine on MacGhostView/GhostScript > on our current wonderful OS X. All of those apps, I would assume, contain a Postscript engine (virtual machine). > Today's Preview seems to choke on some fairly simple PostScript > stuff, and I will try to understand why. As time goes by, the > issue starts to fade (so to speak) anyway. Because Preview doesn't have a Postscript engine? That said, I would assume there are probably also other parts of Postscript that Preview probably can't handle (besides the programming aspects). Probably some of the esoteric bits that are not used very much. PDF is not the same as Postscript (as we all know) and the fact that some Postscript documents can be converted into PDF is just a bonus, not something we should count on, or expect. Cheers, Ashley. From kcall at mac.com Fri May 4 20:29:44 2007 From: kcall at mac.com (Kevin Callahan) Date: Fri May 4 20:29:48 2007 Subject: New Pioneer Blu-Ray Disc Computer Drive and Mac OS X Message-ID: <84EC6AD2-F4AA-49C9-BCCF-E865BBB83D5A@mac.com> anybody know if this drive/software will work in a Mac ? New Pioneer Blu-Ray Disc Computer Drive Delivers High Definition Film Playback to PC Fans From paul at plsys.co.uk Sat May 5 06:41:14 2007 From: paul at plsys.co.uk (Paul Lynch) Date: Sat May 5 07:13:21 2007 Subject: OT (sort of): opinions on color laser printers for OSX In-Reply-To: <55F430E6-3E43-4A7F-9A58-31C7FABFF133@mac.com> References: <3C4A07C7-5076-453D-BD9A-B759679F1CD8@trilithon.com> <631300F0-C9B4-49A3-BAD9-6C4B82E0880A@maxify.com> <6721EBDC-B5E9-465C-9D33-00F6063AB138@maxify.com> <71B78880-5C22-4583-A912-DDB564BAB0E9@mac.com> <41CDA798-D347-4A3D-8179-F6B334CFAB79@trilithon.com> <55F430E6-3E43-4A7F-9A58-31C7FABFF133@mac.com> Message-ID: On 5 May 2007, at 04:18, Ashley Aitken wrote: > On 05/05/2007, at 10:30 AM, Henry McGilton wrote: > >> Without wishing to flog this particular horse any more, pretty >> much all of that hand crafted PostScript displayed fine with >> YAP and Preview on NextStep, displayed fine with GhostView/ >> GhostScript >> on a (shudder) PC, and displays fine on MacGhostView/GhostScript >> on our current wonderful OS X. > > All of those apps, I would assume, contain a Postscript engine > (virtual machine). The Postscript engine was the windowserver. The only reason it doesn't currently support Postscript was the decision to drop the Postscript interpreter, which was mainly licensing driven. Paul From mrhatken at mac.com Sat May 5 08:19:09 2007 From: mrhatken at mac.com (Ashley Aitken) Date: Sat May 5 08:19:44 2007 Subject: OT (sort of): opinions on color laser printers for OSX In-Reply-To: References: <3C4A07C7-5076-453D-BD9A-B759679F1CD8@trilithon.com> <631300F0-C9B4-49A3-BAD9-6C4B82E0880A@maxify.com> <6721EBDC-B5E9-465C-9D33-00F6063AB138@maxify.com> <71B78880-5C22-4583-A912-DDB564BAB0E9@mac.com> <41CDA798-D347-4A3D-8179-F6B334CFAB79@trilithon.com> <55F430E6-3E43-4A7F-9A58-31C7FABFF133@mac.com> Message-ID: Hi Paul (et al.), On 05/05/2007, at 9:41 PM, Paul Lynch wrote: > > On 5 May 2007, at 04:18, Ashley Aitken wrote: > >> On 05/05/2007, at 10:30 AM, Henry McGilton wrote: >> >>> Without wishing to flog this particular horse any more, pretty >>> much all of that hand crafted PostScript displayed fine with >>> YAP and Preview on NextStep, displayed fine with GhostView/ >>> GhostScript >>> on a (shudder) PC, and displays fine on MacGhostView/GhostScript >>> on our current wonderful OS X. >> >> All of those apps, I would assume, contain a Postscript engine >> (virtual machine). > > The Postscript engine was the windowserver. Sure, as you say, NextStep used Display Postscript as the window server (and, I believe, so did Silicon Graphics, before they went to X). My sentence was sloppy, I should have said they were using a Postscript engine. That said, I was mostly thinking about the Mac apps. > The only reason it doesn't currently support Postscript was the > decision to drop the Postscript interpreter, which was mainly > licensing driven. Yes, I wonder if the ability to hardware optimise the current approach was also a big consideration, or just a fortuitous result of a licensing-driven decision. IIRC, Display Postscript was difficult to optimise with hardware, although I do seem to recall some talk of hardware. Whatever is the case, the current approach seems great for hardware acceleration, and I don't believe many people are missing true "remote display" capability. Cheers, Ashley. From henry at trilithon.com Sat May 5 08:50:25 2007 From: henry at trilithon.com (Henry McGilton) Date: Sat May 5 08:48:58 2007 Subject: Preview App And PostScript Conversion [was color laser printers] In-Reply-To: <41CDA798-D347-4A3D-8179-F6B334CFAB79@trilithon.com> References: <3C4A07C7-5076-453D-BD9A-B759679F1CD8@trilithon.com> <631300F0-C9B4-49A3-BAD9-6C4B82E0880A@maxify.com> <6721EBDC-B5E9-465C-9D33-00F6063AB138@maxify.com> <71B78880-5C22-4583-A912-DDB564BAB0E9@mac.com> <41CDA798-D347-4A3D-8179-F6B334CFAB79@trilithon.com> Message-ID: On May 4, 2007, at 7:30 PM, Henry McGilton wrote: > Today's Preview seems to choke on some fairly simple PostScript > stuff, and I will try to understand why. As time goes by, the > issue starts to fade (so to speak) anyway. For those who might be interested, Preview appears to not like either file operator or run operator. The console log gives the error message: %%[ Error: undefinedfilename; OffendingCommand: file ]%% Stack: (r) (prolog.ps) or %%[ Error: undefinedfilename; OffendingCommand: run ]%% Stack: (prolog.ps) So, back to the drawing board . . . Cheers, ........ Henry ===============================+============================ Henry McGilton, Boulevardier | Trilithon Software Objective-C/Java Composer | Seroia Research -------------------------------+---------------------------- mailto:henry@trilithon.com | http://www.trilithon.com | ===============================+============================ From steve at paper-ape.com Sat May 5 13:56:51 2007 From: steve at paper-ape.com (steve harley) Date: Sat May 5 13:57:07 2007 Subject: Preview App And PostScript Conversion [was color laser printers] In-Reply-To: References: <3C4A07C7-5076-453D-BD9A-B759679F1CD8@trilithon.com> <631300F0-C9B4-49A3-BAD9-6C4B82E0880A@maxify.com> <6721EBDC-B5E9-465C-9D33-00F6063AB138@maxify.com> <71B78880-5C22-4583-A912-DDB564BAB0E9@mac.com> <41CDA798-D347-4A3D-8179-F6B334CFAB79@trilithon.com> Message-ID: <463CEF93.7050002@paper-ape.com> Preview (or rather the OS support in general) isn't really that great at PDF either; i very often encounter PDFs that the OS cannot display properly; not all of these are generated by Adobe apps; this one has bedeviled me lately: even though it's PDF 1.3 (which supposedly Mac OS X fully supports), much of the content is blank in Preview, but fine in Reader or Acrobat Pro; i'd really rather use Preview for ready reference because it is a much lighter weight tool From scott at maxify.com Sat May 5 17:36:38 2007 From: scott at maxify.com (Scott Stevenson) Date: Sat May 5 17:36:56 2007 Subject: Preview App And PostScript Conversion [was color laser printers] In-Reply-To: <463CEF93.7050002@paper-ape.com> References: <3C4A07C7-5076-453D-BD9A-B759679F1CD8@trilithon.com> <631300F0-C9B4-49A3-BAD9-6C4B82E0880A@maxify.com> <6721EBDC-B5E9-465C-9D33-00F6063AB138@maxify.com> <71B78880-5C22-4583-A912-DDB564BAB0E9@mac.com> <41CDA798-D347-4A3D-8179-F6B334CFAB79@trilithon.com> <463CEF93.7050002@paper-ape.com> Message-ID: <5941BFAB-2BB3-4E86-918E-5F507FEC0E79@maxify.com> On May 5, 2007, at 1:56 PM, steve harley wrote: > Preview (or rather the OS support in general) isn't really that > great at PDF either; i very often encounter PDFs that the OS cannot > display properly; not all of these are generated by Adobe apps; > this one has bedeviled me lately: > > 20profiles/Alameda.pdf> > > even though it's PDF 1.3 (which supposedly Mac OS X fully > supports), much of the content is blank in Preview, but fine in > Reader or Acrobat Pro; i'd really rather use Preview for ready > reference because it is a much lighter weight tool To be fair, I can generate any data I want and call it PDF 1.3. It's up to the writer to do things correctly. However, make sure to file a bug report and attach the file so someone can look at it. For what it's worth, I see this in the console when opening this file: encountered unexpected symbol `XN`'. encountered unexpected symbol `F35OH'. Choked on input: `)'. ASCII85Decode: encountered unexpected EOF. FlateDecode: decoding error. encountered unexpected symbol `XN`'. encountered unexpected symbol `F35OH'. Choked on input: `)'. - Scott -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /mailman/archive/macosx-talk/attachments/20070505/de1996c0/attachment.html From charles.dyer at gmail.com Sat May 5 18:25:24 2007 From: charles.dyer at gmail.com (Charles Dyer) Date: Sat May 5 18:25:33 2007 Subject: Preview App And PostScript Conversion [was color laser printers] In-Reply-To: <463CEF93.7050002@paper-ape.com> References: <3C4A07C7-5076-453D-BD9A-B759679F1CD8@trilithon.com> <631300F0-C9B4-49A3-BAD9-6C4B82E0880A@maxify.com> <6721EBDC-B5E9-465C-9D33-00F6063AB138@maxify.com> <71B78880-5C22-4583-A912-DDB564BAB0E9@mac.com> <41CDA798-D347-4A3D-8179-F6B334CFAB79@trilithon.com> <463CEF93.7050002@paper-ape.com> Message-ID: On 05 May 2007, at 16:56:51, steve harley wrote: > Preview (or rather the OS support in general) isn't really that > great at PDF either; i very often encounter PDFs that the OS cannot > display properly; not all of these are generated by Adobe apps; > this one has bedeviled me lately: > > 20profiles/Alameda.pdf> > > even though it's PDF 1.3 (which supposedly Mac OS X fully > supports), much of the content is blank in Preview, but fine in > Reader or Acrobat Pro; i'd really rather use Preview for ready > reference because it is a much lighter weight tool I haven't seen that. What I _have_ seen is Acrobat printing out only the first page of a file unless printing is set to print PDFs as images. This is the Official Fix?, from Adobe Tech Support. This 'fix' has just one teeny weeny problem: printing as an image takes forever and a day. Meanwhile, Preview will print the document in its entirety without problems. If I need a PDF printed, it's faster to dig up Preview, open the file in Preview, and print it than to print as an image from Acrobat. And the best part: the printers affected by this are all, without exception, fast laser printers. If I print the same file, from Acrobat, and not set to print as an image, to a slow, old, low-end inkjet (such as my HP PSC1350 all-in-one) it will print all the pages... it'll just print so slowly on the inkjet that I might as well print as an image on the laser. I've got into the habit of using Preview except when I'm actually building a PDF. Preview will also open most (not all) .PS documents, as well, though it may take its time doing it. From andrew at stone.com Sun May 6 12:10:29 2007 From: andrew at stone.com (Andrew Stone) Date: Sun May 6 12:40:55 2007 Subject: Preview App And PostScript Conversion: PStill can do Message-ID: <82E8383D-8BDF-4CF8-B43B-E767A47DCBC6@stone.com> Just for fun, I downloaded the PDF, drop it into PStill (http:// www.stone.com/PStill) with factory settings, and the output opens fine: http://homepage.mac.com/stone_design/Alameda-pstilled.pdf PStill is the low-cost yet packed with features "Acrobrat for the rest of us" ;-) You can combine files, make posters, do color management, add security, flatten to EPS or PS, create PDFX, make seps, change from RGB to CMYK, repurpose PDF for web deployment (shrink by 1000%!), embed fonts, run as server with automated hot folders for an entire network, and on and on... Download: http://homepage.mac.com/stone_design/.Public/PStill-2007-02-01.dmg http://homepage.mac.com/stone_design/.Public/TrueBlue-2006-01-10.dmg (TrueBlue converts your TrueType fonts to the more portable PostScript Type 1 fonts for superior PDF... - it's free). PStill is just $69 and you get free upgrades for life (http://www.stone.com/ Philosophy) OK - back to discing the field I plowed last week! Andrew Stone http://www.stone.com --------------------------- Always tell the truth. It's much easier to remember - Mark Twain From shacker at birdhouse.org Sun May 6 23:10:26 2007 From: shacker at birdhouse.org (Scot Hacker) Date: Sun May 6 23:10:50 2007 Subject: Spetrographic imagery Message-ID: I'm trying to help someone find Mac software that can reveal spectrographic imagery in audio files, a la: http://www.bastwood.com/aphex.php Looks like Metasynth can do it, but it's $500: http://uisoftware.com/MetaSynth/ Anyone know of inexpensive or OSS capable of visualizing audio this way? (Bonus if it can also create audio based on imagery). Thanks, Scot From liz at plsys.co.uk Mon May 7 01:25:41 2007 From: liz at plsys.co.uk (Elizabeth Lynch) Date: Mon May 7 01:43:22 2007 Subject: Announcement: Cocoa training course, May 14-18, UK Message-ID: <22064805-79C8-4E18-9C68-EB2515C57B1A@plsys.co.uk> We have some places available on our scheduled Introduction course next week: "Developing Desktop Applications with Cocoa". May 14th - 18th. This is a great course for people who want to make sure they get their Cocoa projects off to the best possible start! Courses are held at our training offices 30 minutes from Central London, 20 minutes from London Heathrow airport. Have a look at our website or get in touch with me for information. http://www.plsys.co.uk/schedule.htm Liz --- Liz Lynch www.plsys.co.uk liz@plsys.co.uk tel: +44 (0)1494 814109 P&L Software From steve at paper-ape.com Mon May 7 09:51:24 2007 From: steve at paper-ape.com (steve harley) Date: Mon May 7 09:51:43 2007 Subject: Preview App And PostScript Conversion: PStill can do In-Reply-To: <82E8383D-8BDF-4CF8-B43B-E767A47DCBC6@stone.com> References: <82E8383D-8BDF-4CF8-B43B-E767A47DCBC6@stone.com> Message-ID: <463F590C.7060003@paper-ape.com> they whom i call Andrew Stone wrote: > Just for fun, I downloaded the PDF, drop it into PStill > (http://www.stone.com/PStill) with factory settings, and the output > opens fine: > http://homepage.mac.com/stone_design/Alameda-pstilled.pdf my guess is there are several ways to munge the file into something Preview would like; with PStill you have down-versioned it to PDF 1.2, and somehow blown past the CID-encoded fonts issue From steve at paper-ape.com Mon May 7 13:40:11 2007 From: steve at paper-ape.com (steve harley) Date: Mon May 7 13:40:29 2007 Subject: Spetrographic imagery In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <463F8EAB.5000307@paper-ape.com> they whom i call Scot Hacker wrote: > I'm trying to help someone find Mac software that can reveal > spectrographic imagery in audio files, a la: > > http://www.bastwood.com/aphex.php > > Looks like Metasynth can do it, but it's $500: > http://uisoftware.com/MetaSynth/ > > Anyone know of inexpensive or OSS capable of visualizing audio this > way? (Bonus if it can also create audio based on imagery). out of curiosity a quick search turned up a free iTunes visualizer plug-in which actually cites the Aphex Twin images as a motivation: supposedly improved version: and a relatively inexpensive application with lots of audio analysis features: (also found some more expensive tools) From steve at paper-ape.com Mon May 7 13:42:53 2007 From: steve at paper-ape.com (steve harley) Date: Mon May 7 13:43:04 2007 Subject: Preview App And PostScript Conversion [was color laser printers] In-Reply-To: <5941BFAB-2BB3-4E86-918E-5F507FEC0E79@maxify.com> References: <3C4A07C7-5076-453D-BD9A-B759679F1CD8@trilithon.com> <631300F0-C9B4-49A3-BAD9-6C4B82E0880A@maxify.com> <6721EBDC-B5E9-465C-9D33-00F6063AB138@maxify.com> <71B78880-5C22-4583-A912-DDB564BAB0E9@mac.com> <41CDA798-D347-4A3D-8179-F6B334CFAB79@trilithon.com> <463CEF93.7050002@paper-ape.com> <5941BFAB-2BB3-4E86-918E-5F507FEC0E79@maxify.com> Message-ID: <463F8F4D.3000401@paper-ape.com> they whom i call Scott Stevenson wrote: > To be fair, I can generate any data I want and call it PDF 1.3. yes, you can, but in this case Acrobat Pro 8's preflight says that there are no compatibility issues with PDF 1.3, and that there are no PDF syntax issues; there may be things that Acrobat doesn't check adequately, but this increases the likelihood that it's an issue with Mac OS X > However, make sure to file a bug > report and attach the file so someone can look at it. i can do that, and it's a good suggestion; hopefully doing it once will be enough, because i don't have the patience to do it for every PDF that chokes Preview; PDF support has been lagging for years, so i don't expect my bug report to have much effect From abridge at gmail.com Mon May 7 14:23:25 2007 From: abridge at gmail.com (Adam Bridge) Date: Mon May 7 14:23:29 2007 Subject: Spetrographic imagery In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4cfa589b0705071423j22dda4ffp8bf7e53b6548008e@mail.gmail.com> On my desktop system I have an application called iSpectrum which appears to date from 2003 that also produces the kind of display you are asking about. I think it was shareware. It was by Dog Park Software Ltd. iSpectruminfo@dogparksoftware.com They might even still be around! AB On 5/6/07, Scot Hacker wrote: > I'm trying to help someone find Mac software that can reveal > spectrographic imagery in audio files, a la: > > http://www.bastwood.com/aphex.php > > Looks like Metasynth can do it, but it's $500: > http://uisoftware.com/MetaSynth/ > > Anyone know of inexpensive or OSS capable of visualizing audio this > way? (Bonus if it can also create audio based on imagery). > > Thanks, > Scot > > > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-talk mailing list > MacOSX-talk@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-talk > From andrew at stone.com Mon May 7 16:12:37 2007 From: andrew at stone.com (Andrew Stone) Date: Mon May 7 16:12:57 2007 Subject: Preview App And PostScript Conversion: PStill can do In-Reply-To: <20070507190005.667B6174CC4@forums.omnigroup.com> References: <20070507190005.667B6174CC4@forums.omnigroup.com> Message-ID: <4FCBA5D0-3F62-48BA-966B-EB0314C2CE97@stone.com> Downversioning is a feature - makes the PDF more widely usable. You can set PDF version if you want though in PDF pane of Preferences. Heck - you can embed the fonts as outlines if you want! > From: steve harley > they whom i call Andrew Stone wrote: >> Just for fun, I downloaded the PDF, drop it into PStill >> (http://www.stone.com/PStill) with factory settings, and the output >> opens fine: >> http://homepage.mac.com/stone_design/Alameda-pstilled.pdf > > my guess is there are several ways to munge the file into > something Preview would like; with PStill you have down-versioned > it to PDF 1.2, and somehow blown past the CID-encoded fonts issue Andrew Stone http://www.stone.com --------------------------- Don't part with your illusions. When they are gone you may still exist, but you have ceased to live - Mark Twain From jswitte at bloomington.in.us Mon May 7 17:50:06 2007 From: jswitte at bloomington.in.us (Jim Witte) Date: Mon May 7 17:50:20 2007 Subject: What level should I keep the battery at?.. And that 1GB image file.. Message-ID: Hi, I mainly use my MacBook when I have power nearby, so can plug in if I need to. Given this, is there a general level should I keep the battery at most of the time - ie, that I shouldn't charge it *above*? I've read that LiIon batteries do best if you don't charge them beyond about 40% (or was it 60%?). Is there a way (programmatically) to turn off the charging circuitry while the machine is still plugged in, so that if I say leave the thing plugged in overnight (I don't like leaving it overnight at about 9% or less - the battery is old enough that it has a way of going from about 4% to almost nothing rather quickly), it will stop charging when it gets to 40-60%? This of course would depend on the machine being awake (to run the program), unless this can be set in the charging firmware, which I doubt (unless the battery-computer connector itself could be hacked to "report" a full charge when the battery was only at x%) Another question regards the rather large-seeming ~1GB image file (compressed I think too!) that the kernal writes out whenever you put and Intel machine computer to sleep? Is this just a failsafe in case the memory backup power fails, or is it needed for some reason by the EFI? It would seem more feasible (maybe) just for Apple to design the memory system so that it could be kept re-freshed, while the rest of the computer was in sleep mode, or to just stick a 2GB flash card in the thing, and write the image to that (although that might actually be slower than the HDD - I'm not sure how fast the fastest flash drives are compared to laptop HDDs - and it could be cost- prohibitive)? This makes me think twice before putting the computer to sleep if I'm going to be using it again in say, 20 minutes, because of the drive wear (I'm paranoid - I've never had a drive crash except for the *really* old 20 *MB* Jasmine drive, and I remember when *512 MB* was considred REALLY big!) On the upside, perhaps the drive will fail before the computer is out of warranty (nah - probably not).. Jim From steve at paper-ape.com Mon May 7 20:00:36 2007 From: steve at paper-ape.com (steve harley) Date: Mon May 7 20:00:53 2007 Subject: What level should I keep the battery at?.. And that 1GB image file.. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <463FE7D4.3050704@paper-ape.com> they whom i call Jim Witte wrote: > is there a general level should I keep the battery > at most of the time - ie, that I shouldn't charge it *above*? just plug it in; i'm usually pretty fussy, but in this case i think its simpler to just trust Apple's firmware to do more or less the right thing; notice that the power circuitry automatically stops charging for a while when it reaches full charge (the light on the connector goes out); this is an optimization for better battery life; worst case you could be more productive and have cash on hand for a new battery in a year or two > Another question regards the rather large-seeming ~1GB image file > (compressed I think too!) that the kernal writes out whenever you put > and Intel machine computer to sleep? Is this just a failsafe in case > the memory backup power fails yes, it's called "safe sleep"; there's an extensive discussion here, including how to turn it off: the one time you need it is the one time you'll appreciate it; i doubt the wear & tear on the drive is significant, though; run vm_stat in the shell and look at the faults number; this is the number of 4K pages that have been fetched from disk since last restart; mine is 280882638, which is ~112 TB of data read from disk (in 5 1/2 days); the 2GB which is written for my occasional sleeps is a drop in the bucket some people do say to avoid a lot of wiggling when sleeping, though, because you might trigger the sudden motion sensor while writing the image > This makes > me think twice before putting the computer to sleep if I'm going to be > using it again in say, 20 minutes, because of the drive wear as you mention, your computer is usually used near a power source, so simply plug it in and use a long delay or turn off sleep when plugged in (let the screen power off, though, and watch your processes to know if something's taking lots of CPU while idle); now you aren't writing that 1GB, but your drive will still be plenty busy (upping your RAM to 2GB would be a way to reduce paging, assuming you dip into VM a lot) > (I'm > paranoid - I've never had a drive crash except for the *really* old 20 > *MB* Jasmine drive, live long enough and you'll see more drives crash, trust me From chad at objectwerks.com Mon May 7 23:02:24 2007 From: chad at objectwerks.com (Chad Leigh -- ObjectWerks Inc) Date: Mon May 7 23:02:27 2007 Subject: What level should I keep the battery at?.. And that 1GB image file.. In-Reply-To: <463FE7D4.3050704@paper-ape.com> References: <463FE7D4.3050704@paper-ape.com> Message-ID: On May 7, 2007, at 9:00 PM, steve harley wrote: > they whom i call Jim Witte wrote: >> is there a general level should I keep the battery at most of the >> time - ie, that I shouldn't charge it *above*? > > just plug it in; i'm usually pretty fussy, but in this case i think > its simpler to just trust Apple's firmware to do more or less the > right thing; notice that the power circuitry automatically stops > charging for a while when it reaches full charge (the light on the > connector goes out); this is an optimization for better battery > life; worst case you could be more productive and have cash on hand > for a new battery in a year or two What I have heard is not that Li-Ion don't liked to be charged above a certain level, but rather, that they don't like full discharge. Ie, better to let it run to 40% and then plug it in than to let it run out. Same goes for your cell phone -- plug it in every night whether it needs it or not. However, in reading wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ Lithium_ion_battery) it seems there is some tuth to what we both have heard. Chad From andrew.brown at c18.net Mon May 7 23:39:01 2007 From: andrew.brown at c18.net (Andrew Brown) Date: Mon May 7 23:45:46 2007 Subject: Create Useless Archive Message-ID: I created a dozen archives yesterday, using Create Archive, and most of them are damaged and cannot be opened by the Finder or by Stuffit Deluxe 7. Any solutions? Is it possible to kill the Apple archive utility so that it does no further harm? AB From joar at joar.com Tue May 8 00:17:27 2007 From: joar at joar.com (j o a r) Date: Tue May 8 00:17:40 2007 Subject: Create Useless Archive In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5EB0AB24-DF01-400B-B2FC-88864A6E6228@joar.com> On 8 maj 2007, at 08.39, Andrew Brown wrote: > I created a dozen archives yesterday, using Create Archive, and > most of them are damaged and cannot be opened by the Finder or by > Stuffit Deluxe 7. > > Any solutions? To me it sounds like you might have some sort of problem with your OS, or with the contents of your HD. First off, try to run a HD utility to look for problems there. Failing that I would consider re- installing the OS (or at least verify if I could reproduce the problems while booted into some OS partition, or on some other machine). > Is it possible to kill the Apple archive utility so that it does no > further harm? As this is the first time I've heard about problems with the zip archives created from the Finder, I don't think that's a constructive way to approach the problem. j o a r From steve at paper-ape.com Tue May 8 00:30:46 2007 From: steve at paper-ape.com (steve harley) Date: Tue May 8 00:31:02 2007 Subject: Create Useless Archive In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <46402726.7070007@paper-ape.com> they whom i call Andrew Brown wrote: > I created a dozen archives yesterday, using Create Archive, and most of > them are damaged and cannot be opened by the Finder or by Stuffit Deluxe 7. > > Any solutions? is it possible the archives you created with Finder are then being unzipped by default by the obsolete version of StuffIt you have installed (version 11 is current), which makes them _seem_ damaged? if you haven't already, try right-clicking and select Open With/BOMArchiveHelper From kremels at kreme.com Tue May 8 01:19:11 2007 From: kremels at kreme.com (LuKreme) Date: Tue May 8 01:19:19 2007 Subject: Create Useless Archive In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2A4A6B57-3DDC-450C-A6E8-B3A91303F5FB@kreme.com> On 8-May-2007, at 00:39, Andrew Brown wrote: > I created a dozen archives yesterday, using Create Archive, and > most of them are damaged and cannot be opened by the Finder or by > Stuffit Deluxe 7. I've made THOUSANDS of archives with the finder's "Create Archive" and never had a single one fail. It is almost certainly a problem caused by Stuffit Deluxe 7 (what is that, 2001? 2002?). Get rid of it. > Any solutions? Remove all traces of Stuffit from your system. With SD 7 this will take some work. Install the latest stuffit expander (v11 I think). Compress it (I use Create Archive in the finder) and throw out the application. Take a second to appreciate just how quickly the application was compressed. At least half the time as Stuffit would take, and sometimes much faster still. Empty the trash. On the rare occasions that you get a stuffit file, uncompress Expander, drop your .sit on it, and then delete the Expander app. Marvel at how quickly the ~20MB file is uncompressed, probably 1/5th to 1/20th the time that Stuffit would take to do the same thing, then complain to the person who sent you a sit instead of a zip or a dmg. Well, that's the method I use; it's been working very well for me over the last year or so. Before that I just kept Expander around uncompressed, but what I found is that on occasions it would take over and try to expand gz or tgz archives, invariably screwing them up, so I hit on the method described above. Of course, first thing I did was setup a smart folder for all the .sit files on my system, converted them to Finder zips, and then tossed the originals. -- "I'm just like every modern woman trying to have it all. A loving husband, a family. I only wish I had more time to seek out the dark forces and join their hellish crusade." From andrew.brown at c18.net Tue May 8 03:53:33 2007 From: andrew.brown at c18.net (Andrew Brown) Date: Tue May 8 03:53:45 2007 Subject: Create Useless Archive In-Reply-To: <5EB0AB24-DF01-400B-B2FC-88864A6E6228@joar.com> References: <5EB0AB24-DF01-400B-B2FC-88864A6E6228@joar.com> Message-ID: <3405E4B5-1115-46CB-ADF3-3DD1F89482F5@c18.net> On 8 May 2007, at 09:17, j o a r wrote: > On 8 maj 2007, at 08.39, Andrew Brown wrote: > >> I created a dozen archives yesterday, using Create Archive, and >> most of them are damaged and cannot be opened by the Finder or by >> Stuffit Deluxe 7. >> >> Any solutions? > > To me it sounds like you might have some sort of problem with your > OS, or with the contents of your HD. First off, try to run a HD > utility to look for problems there. Failing that I would consider > re-installing the OS (or at least verify if I could reproduce the > problems while booted into some OS partition, or on some other > machine). There was a problem on the disk, now repaired. But to make good the loss caused, I need to rename 13000 files and to do that I need to list them all with their full path in/folder/folder/foo/bar/file1.jpg in/folder1/folder9/foo/bar/file2.jpg in/folder6/folder8/foo/bar/file3.jpg in/folder56/folder89/foo/bar/file4.jpg I assume that I can do this with ls, but as usual can't find the relevant bit in the man page. Can anyone point me at the appropriate command? Stuffit is innocent, by the way. I just used it to try and open the zip created by the Apple utility, which I shall now take great pleasure in turning off. Disks are cheaper than rescue operations. AB From libertyof76 at supernet.com Tue May 8 06:34:37 2007 From: libertyof76 at supernet.com (Matthew Butch) Date: Tue May 8 06:34:48 2007 Subject: What level should I keep the battery at?.. And that 1GB image file.. In-Reply-To: References: <463FE7D4.3050704@paper-ape.com> Message-ID: <46E005E7-05F2-425F-96DD-7F0488DDB7AD@supernet.com> Don't forgot that the MacBook does not use Li-Ion Batteries, but LiPo batteries: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithium_polymer_cell On May 08, 2007, at 02:02 , Chad Leigh -- ObjectWerks Inc wrote: > > On May 7, 2007, at 9:00 PM, steve harley wrote: > >> they whom i call Jim Witte wrote: >>> is there a general level should I keep the battery at most of the >>> time - ie, that I shouldn't charge it *above*? >> >> just plug it in; i'm usually pretty fussy, but in this case i >> think its simpler to just trust Apple's firmware to do more or >> less the right thing; notice that the power circuitry >> automatically stops charging for a while when it reaches full >> charge (the light on the connector goes out); this is an >> optimization for better battery life; worst case you could be more >> productive and have cash on hand for a new battery in a year or two > > What I have heard is not that Li-Ion don't liked to be charged > above a certain level, but rather, that they don't like full > discharge. Ie, better to let it run to 40% and then plug it in > than to let it run out. > > Same goes for your cell phone -- plug it in every night whether it > needs it or not. > > However, in reading wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ > Lithium_ion_battery) it seems there is some tuth to what we both > have heard. > > Chad > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-talk mailing list > MacOSX-talk@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-talk -- Matthew Butch Sent with Mac OS X Mail 2.1 (752/752.2) From topher at thehundredacre.net Tue May 8 09:47:06 2007 From: topher at thehundredacre.net (Christopher Bort) Date: Tue May 8 09:47:51 2007 Subject: What level should I keep the battery at?.. And that 1GB image file.. In-Reply-To: <46E005E7-05F2-425F-96DD-7F0488DDB7AD@supernet.com> Message-ID: On 05/08/07 06:34, libertyof76@supernet.com (Matthew Butch) wrote: >Don't forgot that the MacBook does not use Li-Ion Batteries, >but LiPo batteries: > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithium_polymer_cell And don't forget that the procedure for calibrating MacBook (and PowerBook and iBook) batteries involves intentionally allowing the battery to drain fully every few months: Apple also recommends that notebook batteries not be plugged in all the time. Rather, they recommend that the battery should be exercised regularly: 'An ideal use would be a commuter who uses her MacBook Pro on the train, then plugs it in at the office to charge.' >On May 08, 2007, at 02:02 , Chad Leigh -- ObjectWerks Inc wrote: > >> >>On May 7, 2007, at 9:00 PM, steve harley wrote: >> >>>they whom i call Jim Witte wrote: >>>>is there a general level should I keep the battery at most >>>>of the time - ie, that I shouldn't charge it *above*? >>> >>>just plug it in; i'm usually pretty fussy, but in this case i >>>think its simpler to just trust Apple's firmware to do more >>>or less the right thing; notice that the power circuitry >>>automatically stops charging for a while when it reaches full >>>charge (the light on the connector goes out); this is an >>>optimization for better battery life; worst case you could be >>>more productive and have cash on hand for a new battery in a >>>year or two >> >>What I have heard is not that Li-Ion don't liked to be charged >>above a certain level, but rather, that they don't like full >>discharge. Ie, better to let it run to 40% and then plug it >>in than to let it run out. >> >>Same goes for your cell phone -- plug it in every night >>whether it needs it or not. >> >>However, in reading wikipedia >>(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithium_ion_battery) it seems >>there is some tuth to what we both have heard. >> >>Chad -- Christopher Bort From hexstar at gmail.com Tue May 8 00:56:33 2007 From: hexstar at gmail.com (Hex Star) Date: Tue May 8 11:32:43 2007 Subject: Create Useless Archive In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5dc6fd9e0705080056p658e3d92kec6a1f300f5ef4ba@mail.gmail.com> On 5/7/07, Andrew Brown wrote: > > > Is it possible to kill the Apple archive utility so that it does no > further harm? > > Sure is, open Macintosh HD>Applications>Utilities>Terminal, at the prompt type "sudo rm -rf /System/Library/CoreServices/BOMArchiveHelper.app" (without the quotes), enter your password when prompted and when done you will no longer have the Mac OS X archive utility installed :) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From kremels at kreme.com Tue May 8 12:24:05 2007 From: kremels at kreme.com (LuKreme) Date: Tue May 8 12:24:08 2007 Subject: Create Useless Archive In-Reply-To: <5dc6fd9e0705080125s4f7ff06euc45ee2d5dce1caa@mail.gmail.com> References: <2A4A6B57-3DDC-450C-A6E8-B3A91303F5FB@kreme.com> <5dc6fd9e0705080125s4f7ff06euc45ee2d5dce1caa@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On May 8, 2007, at 02:25, Hex Star wrote: > Smith Micro, the maker of Stuffit provides a uninstall program that > removes all traces of Stuffit: I have no reason to think that this utility would work on Stuffit Deluxe 7.0 though, that's 4 years before Smith Micro bought Allume, and possibly before Allume. But if so, coolness. -- OS X 10.5 is going to have spots? From chad at objectwerks.com Tue May 8 13:44:34 2007 From: chad at objectwerks.com (Chad Leigh) Date: Tue May 8 13:45:25 2007 Subject: insomniac mac In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6E79286C-0844-44C2-8784-8C78E85AF7FE@objectwerks.com> On May 8, 2007, at 1:16 PM, Michael Grant wrote: > I have an eMac running 10.4.9 that has refused to go to sleep for the > past week or so. AFAIK (it's mainly my wife who uses it), nothing new > has been installed or changed recently. If I choose Sleep from the > apple menu, it seems to spin down, the screen goes dark and the fan > goes off, but only for a split second before everything comes right up > again. I've logged in to different accounts to confirm that the > problem is not tied to any one account, but I really don't know where > else to start troubleshooting. Any ideas? try plugging in a different mouse and keyboard. One of them may be ultra sensitive or broken and sending spurious events Just a guess but the symptoms sound like when I had an optical mouse that would move ever so slightly when a table was bumped and wake up a machine Chad From mgrant at gmail.com Tue May 8 14:50:12 2007 From: mgrant at gmail.com (Michael Grant) Date: Tue May 8 14:50:19 2007 Subject: insomniac mac In-Reply-To: <6E79286C-0844-44C2-8784-8C78E85AF7FE@objectwerks.com> References: <6E79286C-0844-44C2-8784-8C78E85AF7FE@objectwerks.com> Message-ID: I'll try a different mouse -- it does have an optical mouse attached. But it's not like it'll stay asleep for a while and then wake up unexpectedly -- it consistently wakes up a split-second after shutting down. Thanks, Michael On 5/8/07, Chad Leigh wrote: > > On May 8, 2007, at 1:16 PM, Michael Grant wrote: > > > I have an eMac running 10.4.9 that has refused to go to sleep for the > > past week or so. AFAIK (it's mainly my wife who uses it), nothing new > > has been installed or changed recently. If I choose Sleep from the > > apple menu, it seems to spin down, the screen goes dark and the fan > > goes off, but only for a split second before everything comes right up > > again. I've logged in to different accounts to confirm that the > > problem is not tied to any one account, but I really don't know where > > else to start troubleshooting. Any ideas? > > > try plugging in a different mouse and keyboard. One of them may be > ultra sensitive or broken and sending spurious events > > Just a guess but the symptoms sound like when I had an optical mouse > that would move ever so slightly when a table was bumped and wake up > a machine > > Chad > > -- I never metadata I didn't like. From chad at objectwerks.com Tue May 8 14:53:54 2007 From: chad at objectwerks.com (Chad Leigh) Date: Tue May 8 14:54:41 2007 Subject: insomniac mac In-Reply-To: References: <6E79286C-0844-44C2-8784-8C78E85AF7FE@objectwerks.com> Message-ID: <71DE6AAE-AC03-481E-AB0A-61D5A940CBF7@objectwerks.com> On May 8, 2007, at 3:50 PM, Michael Grant wrote: > I'll try a different mouse -- it does have an optical mouse attached. > But it's not like it'll stay asleep for a while and then wake up > unexpectedly -- it consistently wakes up a split-second after shutting > down. try a keyboard and mouse, maybe sequentially. If one of them is malfunctioning it may be sending events or something. Just a guess. Probably wrong but easy enough to test Chad > > Thanks, > Michael > > On 5/8/07, Chad Leigh wrote: >> >> On May 8, 2007, at 1:16 PM, Michael Grant wrote: >> >> > I have an eMac running 10.4.9 that has refused to go to sleep >> for the >> > past week or so. AFAIK (it's mainly my wife who uses it), >> nothing new >> > has been installed or changed recently. If I choose Sleep from the >> > apple menu, it seems to spin down, the screen goes dark and the fan >> > goes off, but only for a split second before everything comes >> right up >> > again. I've logged in to different accounts to confirm that the >> > problem is not tied to any one account, but I really don't know >> where >> > else to start troubleshooting. Any ideas? >> >> >> try plugging in a different mouse and keyboard. One of them may be >> ultra sensitive or broken and sending spurious events >> >> Just a guess but the symptoms sound like when I had an optical mouse >> that would move ever so slightly when a table was bumped and wake up >> a machine >> >> Chad >> >> > > > -- > I never metadata I didn't like. From shawnce at gmail.com Wed May 9 07:06:29 2007 From: shawnce at gmail.com (Shawn Erickson) Date: Wed May 9 07:06:56 2007 Subject: Create Useless Archive In-Reply-To: <3405E4B5-1115-46CB-ADF3-3DD1F89482F5@c18.net> References: <5EB0AB24-DF01-400B-B2FC-88864A6E6228@joar.com> <3405E4B5-1115-46CB-ADF3-3DD1F89482F5@c18.net> Message-ID: <79A315F6-9986-4581-8305-ADA5F64F8890@gmail.com> On May 8, 2007, at 3:53 AM, Andrew Brown wrote: > I just used it to try and open the zip created by the Apple > utility, which I shall now take great pleasure in turning off. > Disks are cheaper than rescue operations. Are you blaming Mac OS X provided archive tool for file corruption of some sort? -Shawn From kremels at kreme.com Wed May 9 07:22:11 2007 From: kremels at kreme.com (LuKreme) Date: Wed May 9 07:22:20 2007 Subject: Create Useless Archive In-Reply-To: <3405E4B5-1115-46CB-ADF3-3DD1F89482F5@c18.net> References: <5EB0AB24-DF01-400B-B2FC-88864A6E6228@joar.com> <3405E4B5-1115-46CB-ADF3-3DD1F89482F5@c18.net> Message-ID: <5403BDDD-E08C-4305-98D1-2EC81A28961F@kreme.com> On 8-May-2007, at 04:53, Andrew Brown wrote: > There was a problem on the disk, now repaired. But to make good the > loss caused, I need to rename 13000 files and to do that I need to > list them all with their full path > > in/folder/folder/foo/bar/file1.jpg > in/folder1/folder9/foo/bar/file2.jpg > in/folder6/folder8/foo/bar/file3.jpg > in/folder56/folder89/foo/bar/file4.jpg Well, there's a couple of ways, but for ls the flag is -R. Depends on exactly what you need to do though what tool might be best. > Stuffit is innocent, by the way. No, it certainly is not, especially not version 7. > I just used it to try and open the zip created by the Apple > utility, which I shall now take great pleasure in turning off. > Disks are cheaper than rescue operations. Your blaming Apple's zip for the disk problem you had? I don't think so. Like I said, I use it many times a day and have for a couple of years. -- Rid yourself of doubt -- or should you? -George Carlin From andrew.brown at c18.net Wed May 9 08:07:37 2007 From: andrew.brown at c18.net (Andrew Brown) Date: Wed May 9 08:07:47 2007 Subject: Create Useless Archive In-Reply-To: <79A315F6-9986-4581-8305-ADA5F64F8890@gmail.com> References: <5EB0AB24-DF01-400B-B2FC-88864A6E6228@joar.com> <3405E4B5-1115-46CB-ADF3-3DD1F89482F5@c18.net> <79A315F6-9986-4581-8305-ADA5F64F8890@gmail.com> Message-ID: On 9 May 2007, at 16:06, Shawn Erickson wrote: > On May 8, 2007, at 3:53 AM, Andrew Brown wrote: > >> I just used it to try and open the zip created by the Apple >> utility, which I shall now take great pleasure in turning off. >> Disks are cheaper than rescue operations. > > Are you blaming Mac OS X provided archive tool for file corruption > of some sort? No, of course not, I had left the terrace door open and the pixies must have slipped in and messed things up... Many thanks to all who pointed me towards find rather than ls, which worked perfectly in building the scripts to move and rename 13000 files. AB From shawnmoore1 at gmail.com Wed May 9 10:30:15 2007 From: shawnmoore1 at gmail.com (shawn moore) Date: Wed May 9 16:43:41 2007 Subject: kernel panic Message-ID: <10399105.post@talk.nabble.com> I installed os x 10.35 on to my g3/400 pismo using the target disk mode. My pismo was booted in target disk mode and I hooked it to my ibook g3/500 to load the os. install went smoothly, ibook rebooted as the pismo fine. after shutting down though, the pismo restarts with a kernel panic and I can't force it to boot. I think that I may not have unmounted the psimo's disk from the ibook before I turned it off. Any suggestions? Should I reinstall the os fresh and make sure I do everything else correctly? Should I reverse the target disk setup (boot the ibook in target disk mode and try to run the pismo off of it)? Thanks in advance for your suggestions. -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/kernel-panic-tf3717208.html#a10399105 Sent from the OmniGroup - MacOSX-General mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From shawnce at gmail.com Thu May 10 07:41:59 2007 From: shawnce at gmail.com (Shawn Erickson) Date: Thu May 10 07:42:08 2007 Subject: Create Useless Archive In-Reply-To: References: <5EB0AB24-DF01-400B-B2FC-88864A6E6228@joar.com> <3405E4B5-1115-46CB-ADF3-3DD1F89482F5@c18.net> <79A315F6-9986-4581-8305-ADA5F64F8890@gmail.com> Message-ID: On May 9, 2007, at 8:07 AM, Andrew Brown wrote: > On 9 May 2007, at 16:06, Shawn Erickson wrote: > >> On May 8, 2007, at 3:53 AM, Andrew Brown wrote: >> >>> I just used it to try and open the zip created by the Apple >>> utility, which I shall now take great pleasure in turning off. >>> Disks are cheaper than rescue operations. >> >> Are you blaming Mac OS X provided archive tool for file corruption >> of some sort? > > No, of course not, I had left the terrace door open and the pixies > must have slipped in and messed things up... Or you had a failure of some time unrelated to the tool... you may have a hardware issue lurking that may come back and bite you... but feel free to blame something that is likely blameless. :) -Shawn From david at idiomatrix.com Thu May 10 21:53:54 2007 From: david at idiomatrix.com (David Herren) Date: Thu May 10 21:54:26 2007 Subject: bluetooth performance redux Message-ID: <55DFBD9A-A2EA-4F9C-A8ED-22D1AC399135@idiomatrix.com> Why is OS X bluetooth performance with mice so bad? It can take 20-30 seconds to get my powerbook to recognize my bluetooth mice after a wake from sleep. I thought initially it might be the Kensington Pocketmouse that was the problem, but a brand new Genius brand mouse has the same issue (Genius is a brand common in Spain, at least--made in China). Both of these will connect to a Siemens PC laptop in 2-3 seconds. /david -- david herren - shoreham, vt us na terra solsys orionarm Half the people you know are below average. From chad at objectwerks.com Thu May 10 22:53:02 2007 From: chad at objectwerks.com (Chad Leigh) Date: Thu May 10 22:53:35 2007 Subject: bluetooth performance redux In-Reply-To: <55DFBD9A-A2EA-4F9C-A8ED-22D1AC399135@idiomatrix.com> References: <55DFBD9A-A2EA-4F9C-A8ED-22D1AC399135@idiomatrix.com> Message-ID: On May 10, 2007, at 10:53 PM, David Herren wrote: > Why is OS X bluetooth performance with mice so bad? It can take > 20-30 seconds to get my powerbook to recognize my bluetooth mice > after a wake from sleep. I thought initially it might be the > Kensington Pocketmouse that was the problem, but a brand new Genius > brand mouse has the same issue (Genius is a brand common in Spain, > at least--made in China). > > Both of these will connect to a Siemens PC laptop in 2-3 seconds. > > /david I have not done any tests but my BT500 seems to attach pretty quickly after sleep. However, I rarely sleep the G5 and my memory may not be that great. It does take a while at boot time to start working, and I get the message that it found a USB mouse while my Apple BT mouse (older one button version) gets picked up right away. So I suspect that the machine is looking for an Apple Wireless mouse first and then looks for generic ones when it doesn't find one. I suspect that is what you are seeing also when awaking from sleep. Chad From david at idiomatrix.com Fri May 11 00:30:30 2007 From: david at idiomatrix.com (David Herren) Date: Fri May 11 00:30:55 2007 Subject: bluetooth performance redux In-Reply-To: References: <55DFBD9A-A2EA-4F9C-A8ED-22D1AC399135@idiomatrix.com> Message-ID: <2FAB22EA-67C1-41DB-92A8-D5BAC1261048@idiomatrix.com> On May 11, 2007, at 7:53 AM, Chad Leigh wrote: > It does take a while at boot time to start working Ironically, here it is often faster to reboot to get my powerbook to recognize the mouse than to sit, holding down or clicking a mouse button. During boot, if I click the mouse once after the bong, it's connected and working before the log in screen comes up. /david -- david herren - shoreham, vt us na terra solsys orionarm "He had delusions of adequacy." --- Walter Kerr From andrew.brown at c18.net Sat May 12 05:20:29 2007 From: andrew.brown at c18.net (Andrew Brown) Date: Sat May 12 05:20:46 2007 Subject: Create Useless Archive In-Reply-To: <5403BDDD-E08C-4305-98D1-2EC81A28961F@kreme.com> References: <5EB0AB24-DF01-400B-B2FC-88864A6E6228@joar.com> <3405E4B5-1115-46CB-ADF3-3DD1F89482F5@c18.net> <5403BDDD-E08C-4305-98D1-2EC81A28961F@kreme.com> Message-ID: On 9 May 2007, at 16:22, LuKreme wrote: >> Stuffit is innocent, by the way. > > No, it certainly is not, especially not version 7. Ok, Stuffit is no doubt almost universally guilty, voted for Bush and would have voted for Blair and Berlusconi given half a chance. But in the case we were talking about, Stuffit was entirely innocent: the zip, produced by the Apple utility, was corrupt, and Stuffit said, when asked to unzip it, "this zip is corrupt". AB From chad at objectwerks.com Sat May 12 11:21:09 2007 From: chad at objectwerks.com (Chad Leigh) Date: Sat May 12 11:21:40 2007 Subject: Create Useless Archive In-Reply-To: References: <5EB0AB24-DF01-400B-B2FC-88864A6E6228@joar.com> <3405E4B5-1115-46CB-ADF3-3DD1F89482F5@c18.net> <5403BDDD-E08C-4305-98D1-2EC81A28961F@kreme.com> Message-ID: On May 12, 2007, at 6:20 AM, Andrew Brown wrote: > On 9 May 2007, at 16:22, LuKreme wrote: > >>> Stuffit is innocent, by the way. >> >> No, it certainly is not, especially not version 7. > > Ok, Stuffit is no doubt almost universally guilty, voted for Bush > and would have voted for Blair and Berlusconi given half a chance. Ignorant > But in the case we were talking about, Stuffit was entirely > innocent: the zip, produced by the Apple utility, was corrupt, and > Stuffit said, when asked to unzip it, "this zip is corrupt". How do you know it was corrupt? Is the only indication that Stuffit said it was corrupt or do you have corroborating evidence from another utility? If stuffit is the only one complaining it is corrupt, that leads back to the Stuffit being the problem. Ie, y our logic is flawed. Chad From andrew.brown at c18.net Sat May 12 13:09:50 2007 From: andrew.brown at c18.net (Andrew Brown) Date: Sat May 12 13:10:02 2007 Subject: Create Useless Archive In-Reply-To: References: <5EB0AB24-DF01-400B-B2FC-88864A6E6228@joar.com> <3405E4B5-1115-46CB-ADF3-3DD1F89482F5@c18.net> <5403BDDD-E08C-4305-98D1-2EC81A28961F@kreme.com> Message-ID: <2FC081CC-9A1F-4FF9-8E78-45409C3C642B@c18.net> On 12 May 2007, at 20:21, Chad Leigh wrote: > How do you know it was corrupt? Is the only indication that > Stuffit said it was corrupt or do you have corroborating evidence > from another utility? If stuffit is the only one complaining it > is corrupt, that leads back to the Stuffit being the problem. Ie, > y our logic is flawed. I only tried Stuffit after the Apple utility was unable to unzip what it had zipped. In this case, Stuffit was an innocent witness. AB From jane.osmond at btinternet.com Fri May 11 09:03:24 2007 From: jane.osmond at btinternet.com (Jane Osmond) Date: Sun May 13 11:40:47 2007 Subject: bluetooth kernel panics in 10.4.9 (Intel)? In-Reply-To: References: <6A0C0071-99B2-4E4C-9CDD-C59B0A2D0859@comcast.net> Message-ID: <10434854.post@talk.nabble.com> Hi I have been having exactly the same problem - have searched other forums and so have other people. I have turned bluetooth off and no longer use my mightymouse and it is still happening. It is driving me mad. Rik Ahlberg wrote: > > > On Apr 15, 2007, at 7:47 PM, Robert La Ferla wrote: > >> I've already reported this to Apple. Is anyone else seeing this? >> This started happening when I started using a Wireless Mighty Mouse. >> >> Kernel loadable modules in backtrace (with dependencies): >> com.apple.driver.IOBluetoothHIDDriver(1.7.2b2)@0x3c584000 >> dependency: com.apple.iokit.IOBluetoothFamily(1.7.14f14) >> @0x6d3000 >> dependency: com.apple.iokit.IOHIDFamily(1.4.10)@0x531000 > > Yes, I've experienced a number of these panics on my black MacBook > since the 10.4.9 update. I use both an Apple wireless keyboard and a > wireless Mighty Mouse. They happen when I try to reconnect the > devices to the MacBook. And it appears to be the Mighty Mouse that > causes the panic. > > Rik > > > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-talk mailing list > MacOSX-talk@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-talk > > -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/bluetooth-kernel-panics-in-10.4.9-%28Intel%29--tf3581594.html#a10434854 Sent from the OmniGroup - MacOSX-General mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From michael at hesta.com Mon May 14 13:01:14 2007 From: michael at hesta.com (Michael Verruto) Date: Mon May 14 13:03:18 2007 Subject: iPhone and VOIP... Message-ID: <05D0BF1F-5FB8-40A0-B44E-58C8DF492D15@hesta.com> Is there *any* hint as to whether I might be able to use my iPhone as an internal devoice over my VOIP system at home....kind of like the Linksys WIP330? (which sucks out loud by the way) From pelorus at mac.com Mon May 14 13:09:16 2007 From: pelorus at mac.com (Matt Johnston) Date: Mon May 14 13:09:22 2007 Subject: iPhone and VOIP... In-Reply-To: <05D0BF1F-5FB8-40A0-B44E-58C8DF492D15@hesta.com> References: <05D0BF1F-5FB8-40A0-B44E-58C8DF492D15@hesta.com> Message-ID: <6176A8F5-1454-41F9-A915-E64AB3F58B54@mac.com> On 14 May 2007, at 21:01, Michael Verruto wrote: > Is there *any* hint as to whether I might be able to use my iPhone > as an internal devoice over my VOIP system at home....kind of like > the Linksys WIP330? (which sucks out loud by the way) VOIP was notable in it's absence. My g/f just got a Nokia e65 and it has a Skype icon in pride of place which, with the built in WLAN, makes her a happy cha....uh...girlie. It also has Yahoo and MSN. I was surprised Apple didn't demo iChat suppo