From Steve himself: <http://d5.allthingsd.com/20070531/video-steve-jobs-and-bill-gates- together-part-2-of-7/> "Apple views itself as a software company." "It's in a beautiful box but it is software." That should settle any debate (NOT). Cheers, Ashley. -- Ashley Aitken Perth, Western Australia mrhatken at mac dot com Skype Name: MrHatken (GMT + 8 Hours!)