From johnl at johnlabovitz.com Mon Jan 1 09:52:39 2007 From: johnl at johnlabovitz.com (John Labovitz) Date: Mon Jan 1 09:53:07 2007 Subject: finding codec plugins for QT In-Reply-To: <660A3055-24C0-422B-A6EB-A1BF429CB74F@mac.com> References: <754CF185-4C9C-4522-9C26-CE25D958BD9E@mac.com> <660A3055-24C0-422B-A6EB-A1BF429CB74F@mac.com> Message-ID: On Dec 31, 2006, at 2:08 PM, Kevin Callahan wrote: > someone sent me this ... anybody use it ? > > Yup. I've found it works reasonably well. Some AVI movies seem to be very green-tinted and nearly unwatchable, but most files work fine. (Granted, I build it out of the developer's Subversion repository; I'm not sure what the releases are like.) The nice thing is that Perian's just a plug-in, so it enables Finder previews and the like. The combination of Perian and Flip4Mac means that I hardly ever end up with an unplayable video. --John From shacker at birdhouse.org Mon Jan 1 09:25:05 2007 From: shacker at birdhouse.org (Scot Hacker) Date: Mon Jan 1 10:48:17 2007 Subject: "Missing" tracks In-Reply-To: References: <180A7B66-E174-4FFD-B583-1CC8FBD7CD95@kreme.com> Message-ID: On Dec 30, 2006, at 10:48 PM, LuKreme wrote: > On 30-Dec-2006, at 09:57, Scot Hacker wrote: >> I found that a lot of tracks were associated with QuickTime player. > > How did you go about finding that? I mean, I have some ideas of > ways to do that, but none seem very good. Oh, nothing automated or systemic - just manually tracked down a few of the "broken" tracks and noticed they were all associated with QT Player. ./s -- >>> Birdhouse Hosting <<< Custom web and mail hosting services http://hosting.birdhouse.org From kcall at mac.com Mon Jan 1 10:59:34 2007 From: kcall at mac.com (Kevin Callahan) Date: Mon Jan 1 10:59:36 2007 Subject: 2007 Technology of the Year Awards: Best Notebook: MacBook Pro, Best Desktop/Workstation: Mac Pro Message-ID: <6C55ABA1-992D-4966-BF90-4D45479386C3@mac.com> woo hoo! From kcall at mac.com Mon Jan 1 12:53:03 2007 From: kcall at mac.com (Kevin Callahan) Date: Mon Jan 1 12:53:07 2007 Subject: bundled software: order a Mac now or wait until after expo ? Message-ID: <055CE4AA-D696-4AB9-819B-47B2F9FF0DCD@mac.com> I have some students interested in buying Macs this week. Some are interested in ordering a machine with FC Express (99 bucks) , iWork 06 pre-installed and of course, all Mac come with iLife 06 In the past, what has been the policy wrt software upgrades when you buy a machine a week before announcements ? (iWork 07, iLife 07 ... ) And is FC Express always a 99 dollar bundle ? or is this a special right now? thanks Kevin Callahan http://www.kevincallahan.org/ http://www.kevincallahan.org/software/accessorizer.html -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /mailman/archive/macosx-talk/attachments/20070101/973cf09d/attachment.html From pelorus at mac.com Mon Jan 1 12:56:50 2007 From: pelorus at mac.com (Matt Johnston) Date: Mon Jan 1 12:56:59 2007 Subject: bundled software: order a Mac now or wait until after expo ? In-Reply-To: <055CE4AA-D696-4AB9-819B-47B2F9FF0DCD@mac.com> References: <055CE4AA-D696-4AB9-819B-47B2F9FF0DCD@mac.com> Message-ID: <61798B6F-FEC8-4EF7-936F-C76E9AA30EAF@mac.com> On 1 Jan 2007, at 20:53, Kevin Callahan wrote: > I have some students interested in buying Macs this week. Some are > interested in ordering a machine with FC Express (99 bucks) , iWork > 06 pre-installed > and of course, all Mac come with iLife 06 > > In the past, what has been the policy wrt software upgrades when > you buy a machine a week before announcements ? (iWork 07, iLife > 07 ... ) Wait wait wait....if you can, and are happy with 06 > And is FC Express always a 99 dollar bundle ? or is this a special > right now? Not always a bundle. M From kcall at mac.com Mon Jan 1 18:24:08 2007 From: kcall at mac.com (Kevin Callahan) Date: Mon Jan 1 18:24:09 2007 Subject: using Apple remote to control volume of iTunes the application, not the volume of the system Message-ID: I'm having problems getting the Apple Remote to actually control the volume of iTunes (the app) vs the volume of the computer it's paired with. I stream music to numerous AEs around the house. When I use the remote either in Front Row or in the standard Mac interface, the remote changes the volume of the system, not the application. Is there a way to get the remote to talk to iTunes directly so that I can *really* control the volume of my music ? Thanks, Kevin From scott at maxify.com Mon Jan 1 18:37:35 2007 From: scott at maxify.com (Scott Stevenson) Date: Mon Jan 1 18:37:48 2007 Subject: using Apple remote to control volume of iTunes the application, not the volume of the system In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Jan 1, 2007, at 6:24 PM, Kevin Callahan wrote: > Is there a way to get the remote to talk to iTunes directly so that > I can *really* control the volume of my music ? I dont believe so, but you might get the effect you want if Front Row is active. - Scott -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: /mailman/archive/macosx-talk/attachments/20070101/d4213226/attachment.html From kcall at mac.com Mon Jan 1 18:50:32 2007 From: kcall at mac.com (Kevin Callahan) Date: Mon Jan 1 18:50:34 2007 Subject: recording directly into iMovie: separate video/audio source ? Message-ID: If I want to record directly into iMovie, is there a way set the video source to my camera and the audio source to an audio interface (firewire)? As far as I can tell, iMovie doesn't provide me with source options for audio as does QTPro. I can do this in QT Pro , but I'd prefer to go directly into iMovie. Does anybody know if you have control over audio and video sources (separate) in FCPro ? Thanks, Kevin From pelorus at mac.com Tue Jan 2 01:06:41 2007 From: pelorus at mac.com (Matt Johnston) Date: Tue Jan 2 01:06:55 2007 Subject: Just the beginning? Message-ID: Anyone see the front page of Apple.com this morning? "The First 30 years were just the beginning. Welcome to 2007" Cool. iTV will revive....PIPPIN.....and iPhone will revive NEWTON... Muahhhahhahh From steve at paper-ape.com Tue Jan 2 11:28:10 2007 From: steve at paper-ape.com (steve harley) Date: Tue Jan 2 11:28:27 2007 Subject: "Missing" tracks In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <459AB24A.3070208@paper-ape.com> they whom i call Scot Hacker wrote: > There is apparently NO way to make iTunes "check again" to see if > missing tracks have re-appeared. Once it's marked a track missing, the > only way to fix it is to manually navigate back to the track. Or am I > missing something? i haven't been iTunes hacking much lately, but i would try working with the XML version of the library file; i believe all the metadata which isn't contained in the tracks is encoded in this file, and you can reload your library from this file, possibly restoring the state; in the past when i've moved selected tracks to different volumes, i've had success modifying the path text in the XML library then reloading -- iTunes found the old tracks in their new locations; you may find there's a status flag for "missing" in the XML which can be twiddled (make a backup of the current library files so experimental failures don't set you back) From robertlaferla at comcast.net Tue Jan 2 16:22:06 2007 From: robertlaferla at comcast.net (Robert La Ferla) Date: Tue Jan 2 16:22:15 2007 Subject: One less reason to buy a Ford In-Reply-To: References: <5B095977-D76D-42DE-9F69-FF57283030CB@autonomy.caltech.edu> Message-ID: On Dec 31, 2006, at 2:17 AM, Chad Leigh wrote: > BMWs smart interface run on Windows CE or whatever it is called now > > > > > and from various reports, seems to have lots of trouble The knob interface stinks. I'm not sure all BMWs use Windows CE. I think some may run Linux or Symbian. Would love to see an OS X based system for BMW. From robertlaferla at comcast.net Tue Jan 2 16:28:22 2007 From: robertlaferla at comcast.net (Robert La Ferla) Date: Tue Jan 2 16:28:32 2007 Subject: Month of Apple Bugs (MOAB) Message-ID: Looks like we will get a bunch of bugs this month and hopefully fixes by Apple... http://projects.info-pull.com/moab From hexstar at gmail.com Tue Jan 2 16:35:49 2007 From: hexstar at gmail.com (Hex Star) Date: Tue Jan 2 16:35:53 2007 Subject: Month of Apple Bugs (MOAB) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5dc6fd9e0701021635p5084f83cwb182e25962c35301@mail.gmail.com> if you call two bugs alot...if they only have two vulnerabilities I'd say they're just trying to get a lot of attention over nothing...just a bunch of OS X bashers with no life... On 1/2/07, Robert La Ferla wrote: > > Looks like we will get a bunch of bugs this month and hopefully fixes > by Apple... > > http://projects.info-pull.com/moab > > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-talk mailing list > MacOSX-talk@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-talk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /mailman/archive/macosx-talk/attachments/20070102/31dc7fe2/attachment.html From das at doit.wisc.edu Tue Jan 2 16:42:16 2007 From: das at doit.wisc.edu (Dave Schroeder) Date: Tue Jan 2 16:42:21 2007 Subject: Month of Apple Bugs (MOAB) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Jan 2, 2007, at 6:28 PM, Robert La Ferla wrote: > Looks like we will get a bunch of bugs this month and hopefully > fixes by Apple... > > http://projects.info-pull.com/moab Yeah, and the second bug is a vulnerability in VLC, which also affects the Windows version (and probably other versions) of VLC as well... And yes, these will be fixed by Apple. We've seen plenty of similar types of vulnerabilities, with exploits, for Mac OS X to date, and then Apple fixes them fairly quickly. I don't think this is really anything new. Also, I take issue with this use of "from remote" in security nomenclature in general. There is a HUGE difference between a worm that spreads and/or owns machines completely remotely and externally, with no user interaction of any kind, and someone having to visit a malicious web site (and yes, I know there is precedent for inserting something into, say, advertising on popular sites). As we sit here and talk about this "doozie", dozens (hundreds?) of affected Windows machines at my location alone are being cleaned up from the latest completely remote and automated worm that affected, of all things, Symantec AntiVirus. There is a project that is providing runtime patching for each of these issues, run by a Darwin developer and former Apple BSD Technology Group engineer, with source provided: http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/01/02/2058239 My concerns with MOAB in general are summed up here: http://www.securityfocus.com/archive/142/455673/30/0/threaded and http://www.securityfocus.com/archive/142/455700/30/0/threaded In general, the treatment this will get in the press - just as it did in this blog - is going to be remarkably sensationalistic. Mac OS X has always, and will always, have bugs, some of which will provide vulnerability channels that will be exploitable. No reasonable person ever said Mac OS X was invulnerable. Show me a vulnerability in, say, mDNSResponder that really is totally remotely exploitable WITHOUT user interaction, and then I'll be worried. I'm not saying a vulnerability that could affect someone simply by visiting a web site isn't severe. But we've already had that exact sort of issue countless times on Mac OS X, so I fail to see how this is any different. It's just another bug that is unpatched, that will end up being patched, like all the others. The only difference is the way people are choosing to disclose it, which is admittedly a large difference. I know one of the people running MOAB, but I just disagree with how they're doing it. It's as if they're more concerned with somehow "proving" that Mac OS X is insecure and shutting up "fanboys" than they are with legitimate Mac OS X security. On the other hand, Apple does need to really increase resources that it devotes to security response, or else it could find itself in the same position Microsoft was five years ago. - Dave -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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From pcoskren at mac.com Tue Jan 2 16:46:36 2007 From: pcoskren at mac.com (Patrick Coskren) Date: Tue Jan 2 16:47:28 2007 Subject: Month of Apple Bugs (MOAB) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Jan 2, 2007, at 7:28 PM, Robert La Ferla wrote: > Looks like we will get a bunch of bugs this month and hopefully > fixes by Apple... > > http://projects.info-pull.com/moab Goodie. I've seen these guys post on Slashdot and one of the Mac OS security lists, and they really come across as a bunch of smug little college students looking to take the MacOS fanboys down a notch. From the site: > Are the issues being reported to the vendor before public disclosure? > Rarely, the point is releasing them without vendor notification. > Although, sometimes we may decide to pass an issue through the > appropriate people. The problem with so-called 'responsible > disclosure' is that for some people, it means keeping others on > hold for insane amounts of time, even when the fix should be > trivial. And the reward (automated responses and euphemism-heavy > advisories) doesn't pay off in the end. I mean, come on, how childish is that? If you really want to force the point, submit the problem to the vendor with some sort of deadline. Yeah, it's extortion, but at least the vendor has a chance. Doing it like this, out of some weird misplaced cynicism, is just playing "gotcha". Hopefully, Apple already has a security team to rapidly assess and deal with "zero-day" vulnerabilities. And hopefully all the bugs these jokers find are ones that are relatively easy to patch. If they wind up finding a serious exploit and publicizing it before Apple can get a fix, out of some mistaken sense that vendor indifference is the only possible reason for the existence of security problems, then a lot of people could get screwed. And these jerks will probably cross their arms, rock back on their heels, and murmur "told ya." -Patrick From das at doit.wisc.edu Tue Jan 2 16:49:33 2007 From: das at doit.wisc.edu (Dave Schroeder) Date: Tue Jan 2 16:49:38 2007 Subject: Month of Apple Bugs (MOAB) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <94AE1ECD-29FD-4962-BB36-0578946FD8BB@doit.wisc.edu> On Jan 2, 2007, at 6:42 PM, Dave Schroeder wrote: > > On Jan 2, 2007, at 6:28 PM, Robert La Ferla wrote: > >> Looks like we will get a bunch of bugs this month and hopefully >> fixes by Apple... >> >> http://projects.info-pull.com/moab > > Yeah, and the second bug is a vulnerability in VLC, which also > affects the Windows version (and probably other versions) of VLC as > well... > > And yes, these will be fixed by Apple. Sorry, I don't mean to say that Apple will be fixing the VLC bug. What I mean is that Apple will absolutely be fixing any issues in its products. Of course, how quickly is "quick enough" is subjective, and a lot of people will take issue with how quickly Apple responds. - Dave -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/pkcs7-signature Size: 2380 bytes Desc: not available Url : /mailman/archive/macosx-talk/attachments/20070102/89b8a3a4/smime.bin From hexstar at gmail.com Tue Jan 2 16:50:11 2007 From: hexstar at gmail.com (Hex Star) Date: Tue Jan 2 16:50:14 2007 Subject: Month of Apple Bugs (MOAB) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5dc6fd9e0701021650o7a5f576cn49d41353525441a3@mail.gmail.com> again...what's the big deal over just two exploits??? are there more then two exploits these fools are publishing and if so where?? All I see are two exploits they've publicised and if that's all that they've found I think it's really silly that everyone is getting all hyped up over just two exploits that Apple will no doubt quickly patch...but if there are more then just two exploits these guys have published then where are they???? On 1/2/07, Patrick Coskren wrote: > > On Jan 2, 2007, at 7:28 PM, Robert La Ferla wrote: > > > Looks like we will get a bunch of bugs this month and hopefully > > fixes by Apple... > > > > http://projects.info-pull.com/moab > > Goodie. I've seen these guys post on Slashdot and one of the Mac OS > security lists, and they really come across as a bunch of smug little > college students looking to take the MacOS fanboys down a notch. > > From the site: > > > Are the issues being reported to the vendor before public disclosure? > > Rarely, the point is releasing them without vendor notification. > > Although, sometimes we may decide to pass an issue through the > > appropriate people. The problem with so-called 'responsible > > disclosure' is that for some people, it means keeping others on > > hold for insane amounts of time, even when the fix should be > > trivial. And the reward (automated responses and euphemism-heavy > > advisories) doesn't pay off in the end. > > I mean, come on, how childish is that? If you really want to force > the point, submit the problem to the vendor with some sort of > deadline. Yeah, it's extortion, but at least the vendor has a > chance. Doing it like this, out of some weird misplaced cynicism, is > just playing "gotcha". > > Hopefully, Apple already has a security team to rapidly assess and > deal with "zero-day" vulnerabilities. And hopefully all the bugs > these jokers find are ones that are relatively easy to patch. If > they wind up finding a serious exploit and publicizing it before > Apple can get a fix, out of some mistaken sense that vendor > indifference is the only possible reason for the existence of > security problems, then a lot of people could get screwed. And these > jerks will probably cross their arms, rock back on their heels, and > murmur "told ya." > > -Patrick > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-talk mailing list > MacOSX-talk@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-talk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: smime.p7s Type: application/pkcs7-signature Size: 2380 bytes Desc: not available Url : /mailman/archive/macosx-talk/attachments/20070102/6cc56c29/smime.bin From mrhatken at mac.com Tue Jan 2 17:50:00 2007 From: mrhatken at mac.com (Ashley Aitken) Date: Tue Jan 2 16:52:22 2007 Subject: Just the beginning? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The Sun (Inc.) is rising on/over/with Apple? Cheers, Ashley. PS I just hope the smart version of the iPhone will allow stylus input (handwriting recognition or Grafiti, I don't mind). On 02/01/2007, at 5:06 PM, Matt Johnston wrote: > Anyone see the front page of Apple.com this morning? > > "The First 30 years were just the beginning. Welcome to 2007" > > Cool. > > iTV will revive....PIPPIN.....and iPhone will revive NEWTON... > > Muahhhahhahh > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-talk mailing list > MacOSX-talk@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-talk > From das at doit.wisc.edu Tue Jan 2 16:52:19 2007 From: das at doit.wisc.edu (Dave Schroeder) Date: Tue Jan 2 16:52:24 2007 Subject: Month of Apple Bugs (MOAB) In-Reply-To: <5dc6fd9e0701021650o7a5f576cn49d41353525441a3@mail.gmail.com> References: <5dc6fd9e0701021650o7a5f576cn49d41353525441a3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Jan 2, 2007, at 6:50 PM, Hex Star wrote: > again...what's the big deal over just two exploits??? are there > more then two exploits these fools are publishing and if so where?? > All I see are two exploits they've publicised and if that's all > that they've found I think it's really silly that everyone is > getting all hyped up over just two exploits that Apple will no > doubt quickly patch...but if there are more then just two exploits > these guys have published then where are they???? Yes, there will be 31, one released for each day of January. The vulnerabilities will all be "0day" (e.g., not yet publicly documented elsewhere or reported to the vendor), and they could be in Mac OS X, Apple application software, or other "popular applications" that run on Mac OS X. - Dave -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/pkcs7-signature Size: 2380 bytes Desc: not available Url : /mailman/archive/macosx-talk/attachments/20070102/15dee627/smime.bin From rosyna at unsanity.com Tue Jan 2 16:52:39 2007 From: rosyna at unsanity.com (Rosyna) Date: Tue Jan 2 16:52:45 2007 Subject: Month of Apple Bugs (MOAB) In-Reply-To: <94AE1ECD-29FD-4962-BB36-0578946FD8BB@doit.wisc.edu> References: <94AE1ECD-29FD-4962-BB36-0578946FD8BB@doit.wisc.edu> Message-ID: Why not? Apple should fix them, after all, the site clearly says they're Apple bugs ;-) Ack, at 1/2/07, Dave Schroeder said: >>Yeah, and the second bug is a vulnerability in VLC, which also >>affects the Windows version (and probably other versions) of VLC as >>well... >> >>And yes, these will be fixed by Apple. > >Sorry, I don't mean to say that Apple will be fixing the VLC bug. >What I mean is that Apple will absolutely be fixing any issues in >its products. Of course, how quickly is "quick enough" is >subjective, and a lot of people will take issue with how quickly >Apple responds. -- Sincerely, Rosyna Keller Technical Support/Carbon troll/Always needs a hug Unsanity: Unsane Tools for Insanely Great People It's either this, or imagining Phil Schiller in a thong. From rosyna at unsanity.com Tue Jan 2 16:54:24 2007 From: rosyna at unsanity.com (Rosyna) Date: Tue Jan 2 16:54:29 2007 Subject: Month of Apple Bugs (MOAB) In-Reply-To: References: <5dc6fd9e0701021650o7a5f576cn49d41353525441a3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Or hell, they could even be in a piece of software that had a previous version that ran on an Apple product, like Adobe Premiere Pro. Ack, at 1/2/07, Dave Schroeder said: >they could be in Mac OS X, Apple application software, or other >"popular applications" that run on Mac OS X. -- Sincerely, Rosyna Keller Technical Support/Carbon troll/Always needs a hug Unsanity: Unsane Tools for Insanely Great People It's either this, or imagining Phil Schiller in a thong. From hexstar at gmail.com Tue Jan 2 16:54:49 2007 From: hexstar at gmail.com (Hex Star) Date: Tue Jan 2 16:54:53 2007 Subject: Month of Apple Bugs (MOAB) In-Reply-To: References: <5dc6fd9e0701021650o7a5f576cn49d41353525441a3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5dc6fd9e0701021654i4386e6e4ye1381c3dcddc4e6@mail.gmail.com> oh wow I see...hopefully Apple will be closely watching this site, keeping track of these exploits and fixing them as they are posted as quick as they can...I know that I switched to OS X from windows because of how it has been known for its great security and stability over windows and hopefully Apple will be responsive with patches for these exploits to avoid having OS Xs great reputation becoming blemished On 1/2/07, Dave Schroeder wrote: > > > On Jan 2, 2007, at 6:50 PM, Hex Star wrote: > > > again...what's the big deal over just two exploits??? are there > > more then two exploits these fools are publishing and if so where?? > > All I see are two exploits they've publicised and if that's all > > that they've found I think it's really silly that everyone is > > getting all hyped up over just two exploits that Apple will no > > doubt quickly patch...but if there are more then just two exploits > > these guys have published then where are they???? > > Yes, there will be 31, one released for each day of January. The > vulnerabilities will all be "0day" (e.g., not yet publicly documented > elsewhere or reported to the vendor), and they could be in Mac OS X, > Apple application software, or other "popular applications" that run > on Mac OS X. > > - Dave > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /mailman/archive/macosx-talk/attachments/20070102/fb088a90/attachment.html From das at doit.wisc.edu Tue Jan 2 17:04:33 2007 From: das at doit.wisc.edu (Dave Schroeder) Date: Tue Jan 2 17:04:45 2007 Subject: Month of Apple Bugs (MOAB) In-Reply-To: <5dc6fd9e0701021654i4386e6e4ye1381c3dcddc4e6@mail.gmail.com> References: <5dc6fd9e0701021650o7a5f576cn49d41353525441a3@mail.gmail.com> <5dc6fd9e0701021654i4386e6e4ye1381c3dcddc4e6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Yes, Apple is intensely aware of the site. - Dave On Jan 2, 2007, at 6:54 PM, Hex Star wrote: > oh wow I see...hopefully Apple will be closely watching this site, > keeping track of these exploits and fixing them as they are posted > as quick as they can...I know that I switched to OS X from windows > because of how it has been known for its great security and > stability over windows and hopefully Apple will be responsive with > patches for these exploits to avoid having OS Xs great reputation > becoming blemished -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Cheers, Ashley. -- Ashley Aitken Perth, Western Australia mrhatken at mac dot com Skype Name: MrHatken (GMT + 8 Hours!) From fusion at mx6.tiki.ne.jp Tue Jan 2 17:38:30 2007 From: fusion at mx6.tiki.ne.jp (Jean-Christophe Helary) Date: Tue Jan 2 17:38:57 2007 Subject: Apple (Wireless) Keyboards? In-Reply-To: <4611CAD3-9EAD-4BF9-B96A-47D1BB5A872F@mac.com> References: <4611CAD3-9EAD-4BF9-B96A-47D1BB5A872F@mac.com> Message-ID: <848F08A3-3F85-426B-8D98-2CEB4B06EE89@mx6.tiki.ne.jp> On 3 janv. 07, at 11:04, Ashley Aitken wrote: > > Howdy All, > > Has anyone else noticed the recent (from two years ago) white Apple > (Wireless) Keyboards (I assume the wired and wireless versions use > the same key mechanisms) get rather clunky with use? I am using a > few of these keyboards and notice it on all of them. > > By this I mean the keys seem to require more effort to use and seem > a little "sticky" (not that they get stuck down or anything). It's > like plastic against plastic resistance. They even feel worse than > a very old (small, with vertical striped plastic) iMac keyboard. > > My fingers aren't enjoying extended periods of typing on these > keyboards at all. It is not limited to the wireles. I got a wired model and it behaves just as bad. _But_ I actually took some time to remove all the key and clean the inner box, and after putting back the keys, the behavior is _much_ better. But it is still far from anything I was used to on the Titanium or the MacBook that it is linked too. JC Helary From shacker at birdhouse.org Tue Jan 2 17:44:36 2007 From: shacker at birdhouse.org (Scot Hacker) Date: Tue Jan 2 17:44:56 2007 Subject: Apple (Wireless) Keyboards? In-Reply-To: <848F08A3-3F85-426B-8D98-2CEB4B06EE89@mx6.tiki.ne.jp> References: <4611CAD3-9EAD-4BF9-B96A-47D1BB5A872F@mac.com> <848F08A3-3F85-426B-8D98-2CEB4B06EE89@mx6.tiki.ne.jp> Message-ID: On Jan 2, 2007, at 5:38 PM, Jean-Christophe Helary wrote: >> My fingers aren't enjoying extended periods of typing on these >> keyboards at all. > > It is not limited to the wireles. I got a wired model and it > behaves just as bad. > > _But_ I actually took some time to remove all the key and clean the > inner box, and after putting back the keys, the behavior is _much_ > better. But it is still far from anything I was used to on the > Titanium or the MacBook that it is linked too. Agreed on the key stickiness over time on a wired model. I did the old dishwasher trick on one ( http://birdhouse.org/blog/2006/10/23/ keyboard-in-the-dishwasher/ ). Came out beautifully, but didn't really help the key action. ./s -- >>> Birdhouse Hosting <<< Custom web and mail hosting services http://hosting.birdhouse.org From mrhatken at mac.com Tue Jan 2 19:11:24 2007 From: mrhatken at mac.com (Ashley Aitken) Date: Tue Jan 2 18:14:26 2007 Subject: Apple (Wireless) Keyboards? In-Reply-To: <848F08A3-3F85-426B-8D98-2CEB4B06EE89@mx6.tiki.ne.jp> References: <4611CAD3-9EAD-4BF9-B96A-47D1BB5A872F@mac.com> <848F08A3-3F85-426B-8D98-2CEB4B06EE89@mx6.tiki.ne.jp> Message-ID: <8EA52876-ADE3-4C9C-B111-1C4CDCE99E29@mac.com> Hi Jean-Christophe and Scot (et al.), Thanks for your posts. On 03/01/2007, at 9:38 AM, Jean-Christophe Helary wrote: > It is not limited to the wireles. I got a wired model and it > behaves just as bad. That's good (unfortunate) to hear. Looks like I need to talk to Apple or get a new keyboard. My fingers are really hurting from extended periods of typing. > _But_ I actually took some time to remove all the key and clean the > inner box, and after putting back the keys, the behavior is _much_ > better. Do you mean you took off the white plastic cover *under* the keys. I assume just cleaning the visible dirt under the keys wouldn't help the key action. It looks like one has to use an alan key (?sp) to open the keyboard fully. Cheers, Ashley. -- Ashley Aitken Perth, Western Australia mrhatken at mac dot com Skype Name: MrHatken (GMT + 8 Hours!) From mrhatken at mac.com Tue Jan 2 19:13:27 2007 From: mrhatken at mac.com (Ashley Aitken) Date: Tue Jan 2 18:16:18 2007 Subject: Just the beginning? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <443BBC05-4A31-4737-A224-279E2180FC6D@mac.com> BTW, is the sun *actually* rising, or am I just seeing things. It looks like it has shifted a bit. Cheers, Ashley. On 03/01/2007, at 9:50 AM, Ashley Aitken wrote: > > The Sun (Inc.) is rising on/over/with Apple? > > Cheers, > Ashley. From fusion at mx6.tiki.ne.jp Tue Jan 2 18:41:48 2007 From: fusion at mx6.tiki.ne.jp (Jean-Christophe Helary) Date: Tue Jan 2 18:42:00 2007 Subject: Apple (Wireless) Keyboards? In-Reply-To: <8EA52876-ADE3-4C9C-B111-1C4CDCE99E29@mac.com> References: <4611CAD3-9EAD-4BF9-B96A-47D1BB5A872F@mac.com> <848F08A3-3F85-426B-8D98-2CEB4B06EE89@mx6.tiki.ne.jp> <8EA52876-ADE3-4C9C-B111-1C4CDCE99E29@mac.com> Message-ID: <3922F54C-A4F3-4798-9946-31B377FD56AC@mx6.tiki.ne.jp> On 3 janv. 07, at 12:11, Ashley Aitken wrote: > > Hi Jean-Christophe and Scot (et al.), > > Thanks for your posts. > > On 03/01/2007, at 9:38 AM, Jean-Christophe Helary wrote: > >> It is not limited to the wireles. I got a wired model and it >> behaves just as bad. > > That's good (unfortunate) to hear. Looks like I need to talk to > Apple or get a new keyboard. My fingers are really hurting from > extended periods of typing. > >> _But_ I actually took some time to remove all the key and clean >> the inner box, and after putting back the keys, the behavior is >> _much_ better. > > Do you mean you took off the white plastic cover *under* the keys. > I assume just cleaning the visible dirt under the keys wouldn't > help the key action. No, actually removing the keys only seems to have smoothen the plastic "edges" somewhere, which does impact the typing in a positive way. It is not perfect though... > It looks like one has to use an alan key (?sp) to open the keyboard > fully. I did not go that far. JC From andyring at inebraska.com Tue Jan 2 19:18:10 2007 From: andyring at inebraska.com (Andy Ringsmuth) Date: Tue Jan 2 19:42:41 2007 Subject: Just the beginning? In-Reply-To: <443BBC05-4A31-4737-A224-279E2180FC6D@mac.com> References: <443BBC05-4A31-4737-A224-279E2180FC6D@mac.com> Message-ID: <23AF2035-0B63-4774-8CFB-27DA9C168E72@inebraska.com> On Jan 2, 2007, at 9:13 PM, Ashley Aitken wrote: > > BTW, is the sun *actually* rising, or am I just seeing things. > > It looks like it has shifted a bit. > > Cheers, > Ashley. > > > On 03/01/2007, at 9:50 AM, Ashley Aitken wrote: > >> >> The Sun (Inc.) is rising on/over/with Apple? >> >> Cheers, >> Ashley. You're just seeing things. I compared it just now with a screen shot I took of it 12 hours ago, and they are identical. -Andy From hexstar at gmail.com Tue Jan 2 20:38:04 2007 From: hexstar at gmail.com (Hex Star) Date: Tue Jan 2 20:38:08 2007 Subject: Just the beginning? In-Reply-To: <23AF2035-0B63-4774-8CFB-27DA9C168E72@inebraska.com> References: <443BBC05-4A31-4737-A224-279E2180FC6D@mac.com> <23AF2035-0B63-4774-8CFB-27DA9C168E72@inebraska.com> Message-ID: <5dc6fd9e0701022038r6951b1cfpf45e1aa402076210@mail.gmail.com> it's possible if it's flash... On 1/2/07, Andy Ringsmuth wrote: > > > On Jan 2, 2007, at 9:13 PM, Ashley Aitken wrote: > > > > > BTW, is the sun *actually* rising, or am I just seeing things. > > > > It looks like it has shifted a bit. > > > > Cheers, > > Ashley. > > > > > > On 03/01/2007, at 9:50 AM, Ashley Aitken wrote: > > > >> > >> The Sun (Inc.) is rising on/over/with Apple? > >> > >> Cheers, > >> Ashley. > > You're just seeing things. I compared it just now with a screen shot > I took of it 12 hours ago, and they are identical. > > -Andy > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-talk mailing list > MacOSX-talk@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-talk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /mailman/archive/macosx-talk/attachments/20070102/e3d69d34/attachment.html From shacker at birdhouse.org Wed Jan 3 00:18:45 2007 From: shacker at birdhouse.org (Scot Hacker) Date: Wed Jan 3 00:18:56 2007 Subject: "Missing" tracks In-Reply-To: <459AB24A.3070208@paper-ape.com> References: <459AB24A.3070208@paper-ape.com> Message-ID: <91DB2EB7-F31C-4BE1-9AD3-23948AD0583C@birdhouse.org> On Jan 2, 2007, at 11:28 AM, steve harley wrote: > i haven't been iTunes hacking much lately, but i would try working > with the XML version of the library file; i believe all the > metadata which isn't contained in the tracks is encoded in this > file, and you can reload your library from this file, possibly > restoring the state; in the past when i've moved selected tracks to > different volumes, i've had success modifying the path text in the > XML library then reloading -- iTunes found the old tracks in their > new locations; you may find there's a status flag for "missing" in > the XML which can be twiddled (make a backup of the current library > files so experimental failures don't set you back) I thought of that too, but just checked again - there doesn't seem to be any reference at all to missing tracks in the iTunes XML. ./s From steve at paper-ape.com Wed Jan 3 10:49:36 2007 From: steve at paper-ape.com (steve harley) Date: Wed Jan 3 10:49:48 2007 Subject: "Missing" tracks In-Reply-To: <91DB2EB7-F31C-4BE1-9AD3-23948AD0583C@birdhouse.org> References: <459AB24A.3070208@paper-ape.com> <91DB2EB7-F31C-4BE1-9AD3-23948AD0583C@birdhouse.org> Message-ID: <459BFAC0.3000406@paper-ape.com> they whom i call Scot Hacker wrote: > I thought of that too, but just checked again - there doesn't seem to > be any reference at all to missing tracks in the iTunes XML. not to chide, but that's a good illustration of the value of incremental backups otoh, at one point i got tired of iTunes corrupting its database, so i started adding tags to the comment field to record any track's membership in a "list"; i can now easily recover playlists even if i have to completely reload my library (which i haven't had to do for quite a while) From jesusdiaz at apinet.es Wed Jan 3 11:03:48 2007 From: jesusdiaz at apinet.es (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jes=FAs_D=EDaz_Blanco?=) Date: Wed Jan 3 11:04:04 2007 Subject: Jobs to meet with Alierta (WTF is that?) Message-ID: <60542ED2-43C7-4CAC-AF39-A1DDC7064EB1@apinet.es> Adaptation for the spanish impaired: Steve Jobs and Cesar Alierta to meet soon, exchange chocolates, flowers For the first time, and probably the last, here's a totally serious exclusive from Gizmodo Spain: Steve Jobs, Emperor, Dictator for Life and CEO of Apple (#159 on the Fortune 500) is going to meet C?sar Alierta, Big Honcho of international telecommunications giant Telef?nica (#108) soon, probably this month or in February. According to sources close to the negotiations, even while the place and subjects are not entirely clear yet, there will be two things on the plate: multimedia content ? probably related to the iTunes Music Store ? and the not-so-secret-phone-which-is-not-the-iPhone. The same sources have pointed to another meeting of el Se?or Alierta with top people from Google. j. p.s. And yes, this is real, from a 100% reliable source close to the action. From jpb at google.com Wed Jan 3 11:10:50 2007 From: jpb at google.com (Joe Block) Date: Wed Jan 3 11:21:14 2007 Subject: "Missing" tracks In-Reply-To: <459BFAC0.3000406@paper-ape.com> References: <459AB24A.3070208@paper-ape.com> <91DB2EB7-F31C-4BE1-9AD3-23948AD0583C@birdhouse.org> <459BFAC0.3000406@paper-ape.com> Message-ID: Isn't that always the way, though? I started exporting my iTunes library as XML every week or two (and always after ripping new albums) and I haven't had a corruption problem since. On 1/3/07, steve harley wrote: > they whom i call Scot Hacker wrote: > > I thought of that too, but just checked again - there doesn't seem to > > be any reference at all to missing tracks in the iTunes XML. > > not to chide, but that's a good illustration of the value of > incremental backups > > otoh, at one point i got tired of iTunes corrupting its database, > so i started adding tags to the comment field to record any > track's membership in a "list"; i can now easily recover > playlists even if i have to completely reload my library (which i > haven't had to do for quite a while) > > > > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-talk mailing list > MacOSX-talk@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-talk > -- Joe Block Macintosh System Administrator 650.253.7264 The difference between practice and theory is larger in practice than it is in theory. From kremels at kreme.com Wed Jan 3 13:52:01 2007 From: kremels at kreme.com (LuKreme) Date: Wed Jan 3 13:52:42 2007 Subject: Month of Apple Bugs (MOAB) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CBF9290-7C17-4A3B-A3D1-064E8B37ACDE@kreme.com> On 2-Jan-2007, at 17:46, Patrick Coskren wrote: > I mean, come on, how childish is that? If you really want to force > the point, submit the problem to the vendor with some sort of > deadline. Yeah, it's extortion, but at least the vendor has a > chance. Doing it like this, out of some weird misplaced cynicism, > is just playing "gotcha". I have to disagree. Exploitable vulnerabilities should be publicized as widely as possible. Nothing it served by disclosing to the vendor and not to the people affected by the issue. That said, nothing much of interest there so far. Are they posting one a day? -- The older you get the more you need the people you knew when you were young. From lomion at gmail.com Wed Jan 3 14:21:32 2007 From: lomion at gmail.com (Larry Sica) Date: Wed Jan 3 14:21:36 2007 Subject: Month of Apple Bugs (MOAB) In-Reply-To: <8CBF9290-7C17-4A3B-A3D1-064E8B37ACDE@kreme.com> References: <8CBF9290-7C17-4A3B-A3D1-064E8B37ACDE@kreme.com> Message-ID: <285b60ef0701031421r79d519b2h65edc5c265a53e55@mail.gmail.com> On 1/3/07, LuKreme wrote: > > That said, nothing much of interest there so far. Are they posting > one a day? > The should be. I note there is nothing for the third yet.. --Larry -- "there are three things to cry for in life - things that are lost, things that are found, and things that are magnificent.~douglas coupland" ------------------------------------------------ lomion@gmail.com http://www.roadtobabylon.org http://www.citruspub.net ------------------------------------------------ From das at doit.wisc.edu Wed Jan 3 16:02:26 2007 From: das at doit.wisc.edu (Dave Schroeder) Date: Wed Jan 3 16:02:31 2007 Subject: Month of Apple Bugs (MOAB) In-Reply-To: <285b60ef0701031421r79d519b2h65edc5c265a53e55@mail.gmail.com> References: <8CBF9290-7C17-4A3B-A3D1-064E8B37ACDE@kreme.com> <285b60ef0701031421r79d519b2h65edc5c265a53e55@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2FB75F1A-8840-42B0-B363-618DC445DFF5@doit.wisc.edu> On Jan 3, 2007, at 4:21 PM, Larry Sica wrote: > On 1/3/07, LuKreme wrote: > >> >> That said, nothing much of interest there so far. Are they posting >> one a day? >> > > The should be. 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They're posted here first (and should have been posted at > the time you emailed this): > > http://projects.info-pull.com/moab/ > > Another QuickTime issue. > When I emailed there was nothing up. I see it is there now. --Larry > - Dave From larkost at softhome.net Wed Jan 3 16:42:53 2007 From: larkost at softhome.net (Karl Kuehn) Date: Wed Jan 3 16:43:11 2007 Subject: Month of Apple Bugs (MOAB) In-Reply-To: <2FB75F1A-8840-42B0-B363-618DC445DFF5@doit.wisc.edu> References: <8CBF9290-7C17-4A3B-A3D1-064E8B37ACDE@kreme.com> <285b60ef0701031421r79d519b2h65edc5c265a53e55@mail.gmail.com> <2FB75F1A-8840-42B0-B363-618DC445DFF5@doit.wisc.edu> Message-ID: On Jan 3, 2007, at 7:02 PM, Dave Schroeder wrote: > There is. They're posted here first (and should have been posted at > the time you emailed this): > > http://projects.info-pull.com/moab/ > > Another QuickTime issue. Not only that, but it only can be exploited with IE's concept of "zones"... on Windows. -- Karl Kuehn larkost@softhome.net From rosyna at unsanity.com Wed Jan 3 20:14:01 2007 From: rosyna at unsanity.com (Rosyna) Date: Wed Jan 3 20:14:28 2007 Subject: Month of Apple Bugs (MOAB) In-Reply-To: References: <8CBF9290-7C17-4A3B-A3D1-064E8B37ACDE@kreme.com> <285b60ef0701031421r79d519b2h65edc5c265a53e55@mail.gmail.com> <2FB75F1A-8840-42B0-B363-618DC445DFF5@doit.wisc.edu> Message-ID: Well, technically it's not a QuickTime issue at all. It's a browser issue. The browser's JS engine is handling the javascript in the QuickTime file. The issue is that it's getting the QT file from a source different from the website showing the movie. This is the problem. No browser currently seems to correctly handle it. It may not work in Safari or Opera just because of bugs in their plugin implementation, I don't know. See these two bugs: http://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12107 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=365876 It really affects all plugins since it is the browser that has the bug. Ack, at 1/3/07, Karl Kuehn said: >>Another QuickTime issue. > > Not only that, but it only can be exploited with IE's concept >of "zones"... on Windows. -- Sincerely, Rosyna Keller Technical Support/Carbon troll/Always needs a hug Unsanity: Unsane Tools for Insanely Great People It's either this, or imagining Phil Schiller in a thong. From fusion at mx6.tiki.ne.jp Wed Jan 3 23:42:27 2007 From: fusion at mx6.tiki.ne.jp (Jean-Christophe Helary) Date: Wed Jan 3 23:42:53 2007 Subject: RTF bug in TextEdit and XCode ? Message-ID: <6A834499-7742-4D98-96D8-F8C73D274915@mx6.tiki.ne.jp> I know Xcode is not specifically an RTF editor but when I looked around, the only RTF supporting text editor around was Xcode (and TextEdit). I needed to do a massive search/replace in a bunch of RTF files and I thought Xcode would help but I found the following bug (?) in both: I open an RTF file in either of the two. I don't do anything to it. I save is. The result is an RTF file that Word or OpenOffice (NeoOffice) can't display with the original layout, while the Apple apps won't have no problem displaying it with the proper line breaks etc. The (not so) funny thing is that if I do something to the file before saving it, it retains its line breaks and there are no issues at all when the file is used in non Apple apps. Is it me or is it a major bug ? Jean-Christophe Helary From fusion at mx6.tiki.ne.jp Wed Jan 3 23:46:14 2007 From: fusion at mx6.tiki.ne.jp (Jean-Christophe Helary) Date: Wed Jan 3 23:46:24 2007 Subject: RTF bug in TextEdit and XCode ? In-Reply-To: <6A834499-7742-4D98-96D8-F8C73D274915@mx6.tiki.ne.jp> References: <6A834499-7742-4D98-96D8-F8C73D274915@mx6.tiki.ne.jp> Message-ID: <8FC8B24C-47A1-4FFE-A30C-9E8856E32C40@mx6.tiki.ne.jp> On 4 janv. 07, at 16:42, Jean-Christophe Helary wrote: > I know Xcode is not specifically an RTF editor but when I looked > around, the only RTF supporting text editor around was Xcode (and > TextEdit). I needed to do a massive search/replace in a bunch of > RTF files and I thought Xcode would help but I found the following > bug (?) in both: > > I open an RTF file in either of the two. > I don't do anything to it. > I save is. > > The result is an RTF file that Word or OpenOffice (NeoOffice) can't > display with the original layout, while the Apple apps won't have > no problem displaying it with the proper line breaks etc. Besides, I did not find a way to revert the file to its original format... JC Helary > > The (not so) funny thing is that if I do something to the file > before saving it, it retains its line breaks and there are no > issues at all when the file is used in non Apple apps. > > Is it me or is it a major bug ? From patxiroca at speedpost.net Thu Jan 4 02:08:16 2007 From: patxiroca at speedpost.net (Patxi Roca) Date: Thu Jan 4 02:08:28 2007 Subject: RTF bug in TextEdit and XCode ? In-Reply-To: <6A834499-7742-4D98-96D8-F8C73D274915@mx6.tiki.ne.jp> References: <6A834499-7742-4D98-96D8-F8C73D274915@mx6.tiki.ne.jp> Message-ID: <2E945D2F-CF67-4C6C-9A20-0931D6101353@speedpost.net> Curious... have you tried NisusWriter? On Jan 4, 2007, at 8:42 AM, Jean-Christophe Helary wrote: > I know Xcode is not specifically an RTF editor but when I looked > around, the only RTF supporting text editor around was Xcode (and > TextEdit). I needed to do a massive search/replace in a bunch of > RTF files and I thought Xcode would help but I found the following > bug (?) in both: > > I open an RTF file in either of the two. > I don't do anything to it. > I save is. > > The result is an RTF file that Word or OpenOffice (NeoOffice) can't > display with the original layout, while the Apple apps won't have > no problem displaying it with the proper line breaks etc. > > The (not so) funny thing is that if I do something to the file > before saving it, it retains its line breaks and there are no > issues at all when the file is used in non Apple apps. > > Is it me or is it a major bug ? /patxi -- pamplona, espa?a From fusion at mx6.tiki.ne.jp Thu Jan 4 03:06:17 2007 From: fusion at mx6.tiki.ne.jp (Jean-Christophe Helary) Date: Thu Jan 4 03:06:34 2007 Subject: RTF bug in TextEdit and XCode ? In-Reply-To: <2E945D2F-CF67-4C6C-9A20-0931D6101353@speedpost.net> References: <6A834499-7742-4D98-96D8-F8C73D274915@mx6.tiki.ne.jp> <2E945D2F-CF67-4C6C-9A20-0931D6101353@speedpost.net> Message-ID: On 4 janv. 07, at 19:08, Patxi Roca wrote: > Curious... have you tried NisusWriter? No, I don't have it. And I am not considering spending $69 to make multiple search/replace on RTF files when that should be possible with Xcode. Have you checked the bug on your side ? Jean-Christophe Helary > On Jan 4, 2007, at 8:42 AM, Jean-Christophe Helary wrote: > >> I know Xcode is not specifically an RTF editor but when I looked >> around, the only RTF supporting text editor around was Xcode (and >> TextEdit). I needed to do a massive search/replace in a bunch of >> RTF files and I thought Xcode would help but I found the following >> bug (?) in both: >> >> I open an RTF file in either of the two. >> I don't do anything to it. >> I save is. >> >> The result is an RTF file that Word or OpenOffice (NeoOffice) >> can't display with the original layout, while the Apple apps won't >> have no problem displaying it with the proper line breaks etc. >> >> The (not so) funny thing is that if I do something to the file >> before saving it, it retains its line breaks and there are no >> issues at all when the file is used in non Apple apps. >> >> Is it me or is it a major bug ? From jesusdiaz at apinet.es Thu Jan 4 03:43:49 2007 From: jesusdiaz at apinet.es (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jes=FAs_D=EDaz_Blanco?=) Date: Thu Jan 4 03:44:12 2007 Subject: Month of Apple Bugs (MOAB) In-Reply-To: References: <5dc6fd9e0701021650o7a5f576cn49d41353525441a3@mail.gmail.com> <5dc6fd9e0701021654i4386e6e4ye1381c3dcddc4e6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: > Yes, Apple is intensely aware of the site. Oh, did Steve call you again in dreams? Whatever he says, _don't_ walk to the light. j. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /mailman/archive/macosx-talk/attachments/20070104/2a0fab77/attachment.html From patxiroca at speedpost.net Thu Jan 4 03:44:59 2007 From: patxiroca at speedpost.net (Patxi Roca) Date: Thu Jan 4 03:45:11 2007 Subject: RTF bug in TextEdit and XCode ? In-Reply-To: References: <6A834499-7742-4D98-96D8-F8C73D274915@mx6.tiki.ne.jp> <2E945D2F-CF67-4C6C-9A20-0931D6101353@speedpost.net> Message-ID: <4BAB299E-D350-4EA5-8880-BA075B77C7DC@speedpost.net> It doesn't appear to happen to me, but then I don't have the same source files that you do. On Jan 4, 2007, at 12:06 PM, Jean-Christophe Helary wrote: > No, I don't have it. And I am not considering spending $69 to make > multiple search/replace on RTF files when that should be possible > with Xcode. > > Have you checked the bug on your side ? /patxi -- pamplona, espa?a From fusion at mx6.tiki.ne.jp Thu Jan 4 03:55:27 2007 From: fusion at mx6.tiki.ne.jp (Jean-Christophe Helary) Date: Thu Jan 4 03:55:37 2007 Subject: RTF bug in TextEdit and XCode ? In-Reply-To: <4BAB299E-D350-4EA5-8880-BA075B77C7DC@speedpost.net> References: <6A834499-7742-4D98-96D8-F8C73D274915@mx6.tiki.ne.jp> <2E945D2F-CF67-4C6C-9A20-0931D6101353@speedpost.net> <4BAB299E-D350-4EA5-8880-BA075B77C7DC@speedpost.net> Message-ID: <90AF040E-AC9D-42C0-BE74-10316018923B@mx6.tiki.ne.jp> On 4 janv. 07, at 20:44, Patxi Roca wrote: > It doesn't appear to happen to me, but then I don't have the same > source files that you do. Fair enough. I just tried with hand made RTF simple files created in Word and I can't reproduce the bug. Must have to do with the set I had... Thanks. JC From scott at maxify.com Thu Jan 4 05:42:39 2007 From: scott at maxify.com (Scott Stevenson) Date: Thu Jan 4 05:42:09 2007 Subject: RTF bug in TextEdit and XCode ? In-Reply-To: <6A834499-7742-4D98-96D8-F8C73D274915@mx6.tiki.ne.jp> References: <6A834499-7742-4D98-96D8-F8C73D274915@mx6.tiki.ne.jp> Message-ID: <13873639-FF57-4B43-AB13-CADA5A54812A@maxify.com> On Jan 3, 2007, at 11:42 PM, Jean-Christophe Helary wrote: > I open an RTF file in either of the two. > I don't do anything to it. > I save is. > > The result is an RTF file that Word or OpenOffice (NeoOffice) can't > display with the original layout, while the Apple apps won't have > no problem displaying it with the proper line breaks etc. I can't recreate this on 10.4.8 (Intel). - Scott -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /mailman/archive/macosx-talk/attachments/20070104/5d6d2f59/attachment.html From fusion at mx6.tiki.ne.jp Thu Jan 4 06:57:57 2007 From: fusion at mx6.tiki.ne.jp (Jean-Christophe Helary) Date: Thu Jan 4 06:58:03 2007 Subject: RTF bug in TextEdit and XCode ? In-Reply-To: <13873639-FF57-4B43-AB13-CADA5A54812A@maxify.com> References: <6A834499-7742-4D98-96D8-F8C73D274915@mx6.tiki.ne.jp> <13873639-FF57-4B43-AB13-CADA5A54812A@maxify.com> Message-ID: <41AFA0EA-4524-43DA-BCAA-E69F2499D7FA@mx6.tiki.ne.jp> On 4 janv. 07, at 22:42, Scott Stevenson wrote: > > On Jan 3, 2007, at 11:42 PM, Jean-Christophe Helary wrote: > >> I open an RTF file in either of the two. >> I don't do anything to it. >> I save is. >> >> The result is an RTF file that Word or OpenOffice (NeoOffice) >> can't display with the original layout, while the Apple apps won't >> have no problem displaying it with the proper line breaks etc. > > I can't recreate this on 10.4.8 (Intel). I have the same configuration. I was sent a bunch of such RTF files and they seem to be the cause of the problem. If anybody is interested I can send samples privately. I just reproduced that with one of them... Jean-Christophe From scott at maxify.com Thu Jan 4 07:48:36 2007 From: scott at maxify.com (Scott Stevenson) Date: Thu Jan 4 07:47:59 2007 Subject: RTF bug in TextEdit and XCode ? In-Reply-To: <41AFA0EA-4524-43DA-BCAA-E69F2499D7FA@mx6.tiki.ne.jp> References: <6A834499-7742-4D98-96D8-F8C73D274915@mx6.tiki.ne.jp> <13873639-FF57-4B43-AB13-CADA5A54812A@maxify.com> <41AFA0EA-4524-43DA-BCAA-E69F2499D7FA@mx6.tiki.ne.jp> Message-ID: On Jan 4, 2007, at 6:57 AM, Jean-Christophe Helary wrote: > If anybody is interested I can send samples privately. I just > reproduced that with one of them... You should file a bug with Apple: http://bugreport.apple.com/ - Scott -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /mailman/archive/macosx-talk/attachments/20070104/d3f904bb/attachment.html From fusion at mx6.tiki.ne.jp Thu Jan 4 07:59:17 2007 From: fusion at mx6.tiki.ne.jp (Jean-Christophe Helary) Date: Thu Jan 4 07:59:23 2007 Subject: RTF bug in TextEdit and XCode ? In-Reply-To: References: <6A834499-7742-4D98-96D8-F8C73D274915@mx6.tiki.ne.jp> <13873639-FF57-4B43-AB13-CADA5A54812A@maxify.com> <41AFA0EA-4524-43DA-BCAA-E69F2499D7FA@mx6.tiki.ne.jp> Message-ID: I am considering that, but only if that is a bug. JC On 5 janv. 07, at 00:48, Scott Stevenson wrote: > > On Jan 4, 2007, at 6:57 AM, Jean-Christophe Helary wrote: > >> If anybody is interested I can send samples privately. I just >> reproduced that with one of them... > > You should file a bug with Apple: > > http://bugreport.apple.com/ > > - Scott From andyring at inebraska.com Fri Jan 5 05:44:01 2007 From: andyring at inebraska.com (Andy Ringsmuth) Date: Fri Jan 5 05:44:10 2007 Subject: dot-Mac syncing Message-ID: <7D6DA1C5-F555-4AA3-9AEC-E52393F1C8A0@inebraska.com> Does anyone know if there is a limit to how many computers can be set up to sync their address books via dot-Mac syncing? In other words, can I have, say, 30 computers all syncing their address books via one dot-Mac account? -Andy From pelorus at mac.com Fri Jan 5 06:30:56 2007 From: pelorus at mac.com (Matt Johnston) Date: Fri Jan 5 06:31:06 2007 Subject: dot-Mac syncing In-Reply-To: <7D6DA1C5-F555-4AA3-9AEC-E52393F1C8A0@inebraska.com> References: <7D6DA1C5-F555-4AA3-9AEC-E52393F1C8A0@inebraska.com> Message-ID: On 5 Jan 2007, at 13:44, Andy Ringsmuth wrote: > Does anyone know if there is a limit to how many computers can be > set up to sync their address books via dot-Mac syncing? > > In other words, can I have, say, 30 computers all syncing their > address books via one dot-Mac account? Apple says 3. M From andyring at inebraska.com Fri Jan 5 06:39:19 2007 From: andyring at inebraska.com (Andy Ringsmuth) Date: Fri Jan 5 06:39:20 2007 Subject: dot-Mac syncing In-Reply-To: References: <7D6DA1C5-F555-4AA3-9AEC-E52393F1C8A0@inebraska.com> Message-ID: Hmmm, darn. Is that documented somewhere? I poked around and didn't see a number anywhere. Thanks! -Andy On Jan 5, 2007, at 8:30 AM, Matt Johnston wrote: > > On 5 Jan 2007, at 13:44, Andy Ringsmuth wrote: > >> Does anyone know if there is a limit to how many computers can be >> set up to sync their address books via dot-Mac syncing? >> >> In other words, can I have, say, 30 computers all syncing their >> address books via one dot-Mac account? > > Apple says 3. > > M > > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-talk mailing list > MacOSX-talk@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-talk > From larkost at softhome.net Fri Jan 5 07:06:00 2007 From: larkost at softhome.net (Karl Kuehn) Date: Fri Jan 5 07:06:23 2007 Subject: dot-Mac syncing In-Reply-To: References: <7D6DA1C5-F555-4AA3-9AEC-E52393F1C8A0@inebraska.com> Message-ID: <0247477B-8B66-4672-BA81-716ACFCD7087@softhome.net> On 5 Jan 2007, at 13:44, Andy Ringsmuth wrote: > Does anyone know if there is a limit to how many computers can be > set up to sync their address books via dot-Mac syncing? > > In other words, can I have, say, 30 computers all syncing their > address books via one dot-Mac account? You might want to check out Plaxo (http://www.plaxo.com). I use their basic service (free), but if you are running a business through this you might want to have the premium service ($50/yr) for the assisted recovery service (I just ran into a glitch that erased my addressbook everywhere, and was lucky that I make periodic backups of my addressbook). The service is very nice for keeping multiple computers in sync (I keep three that way), and has plugins for almost every system you can think of. -- Karl Kuehn larkost@softhome.net From kremels at kreme.com Fri Jan 5 07:23:31 2007 From: kremels at kreme.com (LuKreme) Date: Fri Jan 5 07:23:55 2007 Subject: dot-Mac syncing In-Reply-To: <7D6DA1C5-F555-4AA3-9AEC-E52393F1C8A0@inebraska.com> References: <7D6DA1C5-F555-4AA3-9AEC-E52393F1C8A0@inebraska.com> Message-ID: <692ED318-B3BB-4F78-8E6B-DCBEC2A79C77@kreme.com> On 5-Jan-2007, at 06:44, Andy Ringsmuth wrote: > Does anyone know if there is a limit to how many computers can be > set up to sync their address books via dot-Mac syncing? 5, as I recall. I know Matt said Apple says 3, but I have had 5 synced in the past. -- Rumour is information distilled so finely that it can filter through anything. It does not need doors and windows -- sometimes it does not need people. It can exist free and wild, running from ear to ear without ever touching lips. From pelorus at mac.com Fri Jan 5 07:27:48 2007 From: pelorus at mac.com (Matt Johnston) Date: Fri Jan 5 07:27:57 2007 Subject: dot-Mac syncing In-Reply-To: <692ED318-B3BB-4F78-8E6B-DCBEC2A79C77@kreme.com> References: <7D6DA1C5-F555-4AA3-9AEC-E52393F1C8A0@inebraska.com> <692ED318-B3BB-4F78-8E6B-DCBEC2A79C77@kreme.com> Message-ID: On 5 Jan 2007, at 15:23, LuKreme wrote: > On 5-Jan-2007, at 06:44, Andy Ringsmuth wrote: >> Does anyone know if there is a limit to how many computers can be >> set up to sync their address books via dot-Mac syncing? > > 5, as I recall. I know Matt said Apple says 3, but I have had 5 > synced in the past. I can't find it. It could be 5. From johnl at johnlabovitz.com Fri Jan 5 08:41:05 2007 From: johnl at johnlabovitz.com (John Labovitz) Date: Fri Jan 5 08:41:19 2007 Subject: Month of Apple Bugs (MOAB) In-Reply-To: References: <5dc6fd9e0701021650o7a5f576cn49d41353525441a3@mail.gmail.com> <5dc6fd9e0701021654i4386e6e4ye1381c3dcddc4e6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <057EDE11-B9B7-4891-A254-C707441D425E@johnlabovitz.com> For folks who are following MOAB, there's now an anti-MOAB group (Landon Fuller et al.). They've developed an Application Enhancer plugin to fix the bugs, dynamically, at run-time. The project seems to be tracking MOAB's findings, releasing new versions for each exploit that MOAB finds. More info here: http://landonf.bikemonkey.org/code/macosx/ http://groups-beta.google.com/group/moabfixes --John From rogerhoward at rogerroger.org Fri Jan 5 08:51:48 2007 From: rogerhoward at rogerroger.org (Roger Howard) Date: Fri Jan 5 08:51:54 2007 Subject: dot-Mac syncing In-Reply-To: References: <7D6DA1C5-F555-4AA3-9AEC-E52393F1C8A0@inebraska.com> <692ED318-B3BB-4F78-8E6B-DCBEC2A79C77@kreme.com> Message-ID: <15087.216.163.128.130.1168015908.squirrel@webmail.rogerroger.org> On Fri, January 5, 2007 7:27 am, Matt Johnston wrote: > > On 5 Jan 2007, at 15:23, LuKreme wrote: > >> On 5-Jan-2007, at 06:44, Andy Ringsmuth wrote: >>> Does anyone know if there is a limit to how many computers can be >>> set up to sync their address books via dot-Mac syncing? >> >> 5, as I recall. I know Matt said Apple says 3, but I have had 5 >> synced in the past. > > I can't find it. > > It could be 5. I've definitely done at least 5. From kcall at mac.com Fri Jan 5 12:05:51 2007 From: kcall at mac.com (Kevin Callahan) Date: Fri Jan 5 12:06:00 2007 Subject: using Mail for GMAIL Message-ID: Friends just bought their first Mac (MacBook) and have gmail accounts. They want to use Mail and are wondering how to set it up properly - and if they can use IMAP with gmail/Mail. So far, I've found this link : http://www.macosxhints.com/article.php?story=20060825175256294 no IMAP ? or ? is the link above the best guide for setting things up ? Thanks, K From registrant at petmystone.com Fri Jan 5 12:14:59 2007 From: registrant at petmystone.com (Timothy Stone) Date: Fri Jan 5 12:20:16 2007 Subject: using Mail for GMAIL In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Jan 5, 2007, at 3:05 PM, Kevin Callahan wrote: > Friends just bought their first Mac (MacBook) and have gmail > accounts. They want to use Mail and are wondering how to set it up > properly - and if they can use IMAP with gmail/Mail. > > So far, I've found this link : > > http://www.macosxhints.com/article.php?story=20060825175256294 > > no IMAP ? or ? For gmail? No. See: http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=10339&topic=1556 For POP, gmail can be configured: 1. http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=13273&topic=1556 2. http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=13275 Enjoy. Tim > > is the link above the best guide for setting things up ? > > Thanks, > K > > > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-talk mailing list > MacOSX-talk@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-talk From dez at mac.com Sat Jan 6 10:04:34 2007 From: dez at mac.com (Derek Chesterfield) Date: Sat Jan 6 10:05:26 2007 Subject: Best way to video conference between Mac and PC ? In-Reply-To: <1FAF4DEA-A70E-4562-A257-0E72418FF78C@mac.com> References: <1FAF4DEA-A70E-4562-A257-0E72418FF78C@mac.com> Message-ID: <18147B1BE1AE4CC981E1705EDE9D484C@dezPC> I am using Skype. Yes, not as good as iChat, but about as good as you can get! Last time I tried Yahoo is was very good, so long as you configure it for 'super' mode (you need to open the port on the routers). If you can arrange that on both ends, then that's a good alternative to Skype, but if your remote party can't get that done, Skype is best. ----- Original Message ----- From: Kevin Callahan To: MacOSX-talk Talk Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 10:40 PM Subject: Best way to video conference between Mac and PC ? What's the best way to video conference between Mac and PC ? I'm trying Skype (beta) on Mac to Skype on PC, but it really doesn't compare with iChat A/V (mac to mac). What are people using for Mac-PC video conferencing? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /mailman/archive/macosx-talk/attachments/20070106/bd433c0d/attachment.html From hexstar at gmail.com Mon Jan 8 17:06:22 2007 From: hexstar at gmail.com (Hex Star) Date: Mon Jan 8 17:06:27 2007 Subject: What's a good affordable UPS? In-Reply-To: <5dc6fd9e0612271645x8ded2ap2fd049d7d0539283@mail.gmail.com> References: <5dc6fd9e0612261912v7eb1ee36o3f1f00731a16af@mail.gmail.com> <5dc6fd9e0612262130j6ee20c01jea966c1e2b7663ce@mail.gmail.com> <5dc6fd9e0612270129m7dadb46yce5c0fdf2e5bd297@mail.gmail.com> <3B4891B7-D791-4DDB-B125-814A1A143E8C@objectwerks.com> <5dc6fd9e0612271213x1c1d7366lda43ef406bacb9fa@mail.gmail.com> <5dc6fd9e0612271214qada459i96717b5aac04b2ff@mail.gmail.com> <5dc6fd9e0612271645x8ded2ap2fd049d7d0539283@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5dc6fd9e0701081706l49d5853eieea52d90f1791571@mail.gmail.com> hello??? can anyone answer that question please??? thanks! :-) I'd also appreciate a response to what's below...thanks! :-) Alright well I've had the Belkin UPS for a while now and I'm very happy with it ...the only issue at first was that the plug didn't fit smugly into the outlet such that if the plug was left alone it'd slip out...this was resolved simply enough though by plugging one of those outlet extenders (not a surge protector) into the outlet and the UPS into that as the UPS plug fit smugly in the extender...other then that OS X recognizes the UPS without the Belkin UPS software having to be installed and the UPS shutdown features can be managed in the Power system preference panel...only question I have is does anyone have a recommendation for the % left in the UPS I should set my mac to shutdown at? I currently have it at 70%...is that a good choice? The UPS is linked by me in this thread already earlier but I'll post its info again anyways to make it easier for you guys ...it's a 1100va 660watt UPS with 280 watts being consumed in the battery backup plugs and the manual states it'll provide backup power for around 1.5-4minutes at that rate...so is having OS X automatically shut down my mac at 70% depletion of my UPS a good choice? If not what would be better? thanks! P.S. I've chosen not to use the BullDog UPS software Belkin provides because of reported issues with it failing to see the UPS after sleeping On 12/27/06, Hex Star wrote: > > also, how does ups automatic shutdown handle a password protected > screensaver? will it shutdown fine even if the screensaver is activated and > usually needs a password before the screensaver will close? thanks! :) > > On 12/27/06, Hex Star wrote: > > > > Oh one more thing...is there a way to tell in OS X if your mac has > > cleanly shutdown the last time it powered off? Thanks! :-) > > > > On 12/27/06, Hex Star < hexstar@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > thanks alot guys for your replies...so sounds good...the main purpose > > > of a UPS is indeed to just give me time to save my open stuff and shutdown > > > my mac safely and if I want it to be able to auto shutdown my mac if I'm not > > > around then I need to make sure I don't have apps open that will need user > > > interaction before closing if I plan to leave for a long time during a > > > storm...thanks again for all your help guys, greatly appreciated! :-) > > > > > > On 12/27/06, Shawn Erickson < shawnce@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > On Dec 27, 2006, at 7:39 AM, Chad Leigh wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Dec 27, 2006, at 2:29 AM, Hex Star wrote: > > > > > > > > > >> well really all I'm concerned about is my mac being able to > > > > >> shutdown normally so that there isn't a chance of file system > > > > >> corruption, I wouldn't leave things like word documents or other > > > > >> important nature open and just leave for a long time far away > > > > from > > > > >> my mac so in those cases I'd be near my mac so I could shut it > > > > >> down and save the documents within the time frame given by the > > > > >> UPS, all other times I typically just leave Firefox open with > > > > >> gmail, paypal, and the apple store in tabs ... so if I use the > > > > >> auto ups shutdown feature, since I have firefox set to warn on > > > > >> closing when there's multiple tabs (sometimes when I stay up too > > > > >> late I accidentally click the X for the main window and the > > > > >> warning comes in handy), would the auto shutdown feature force > > > > >> firefox to close? or would it be better for me to just disable > > > > the > > > > >> warn on closing when there's multiple tabs alert? Er actually > > > > does > > > > >> the UPS execute the shutdown as soon as power is lost or after it > > > > >> looses a good amount of power? Guess it'd make sense for it to > > > > >> wait a bit to allow for saving of open documents first...but if > > > > it > > > > >> doesn't would it then just do a normal OS X shutdown? And if so > > > > >> what does OS X do when trying to shutdown and there's apps open > > > > >> that don't want to close because of alert dialogs? Does it wait > > > > >> until the matter is fixed or does it force close the programs > > > > >> after some time? sounds like this is the UPS for me...now if I > > > > can > > > > >> just figure out how that mentioned event will play out I'll be > > > > all > > > > >> set...thanks alot! :D > > > > > > > > > > I don't have a UPS software installed on my Mac so I do not know > > > > > how they do a shutdown, but I would expect they would issue a > > > > > shutdown event, the same as choosing "Shutdown" in the menu or hit > > > > > > > > > the power button and get the shutdown dialog and tell it to > > > > > shutdown. In my experience, when that happens, if an app cannot > > > > be > > > > > quit, for example, the app puts up an alert to save documents and > > > > > the alert does not have a timeout, then the shutdown is cancelled. > > > > > I think the system waits for 2min or something like that, from my > > > > > memory, before it cancels. > > > > > > > > Mac OS X / Mac hardware understands UPS requests. See the man page > > > > for pmset. > > > > > > > > UPS SPECIFIC ARGUMENTS > > > > UPS-specific arguments are only valid following the -u option. > > > > UPS set-settings > > > > tings also have an on/off value. Use a -1 argument instead of > > > > percent or > > > > minutes to turn any of these settings off. If multiple halt > > > > conditions > > > > are specified, the system will halt on the first condition > > > > that > > > > occurs in > > > > a low power situation. > > > > > > > > haltlevel - when draining UPS battery, battery level at which > > > > to trigger > > > > an emergency shutdown (value in %) > > > > haltafter - when draining UPS battery, trigger emergency > > > > shutdown after > > > > this long running on UPS power (value in minutes) > > > > haltremain - when draining UPS battery, trigger emergency > > > > shutdown when > > > > this much time remaining on UPS power is estimated (value in > > > > minutes) > > > > > > > > Also note (think added in 10.3.3 timeframe)... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Shawn > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /mailman/archive/macosx-talk/attachments/20070108/5814d424/attachment.html From newslists at autonomy.caltech.edu Mon Jan 8 17:36:40 2007 From: newslists at autonomy.caltech.edu (Roland Torres) Date: Mon Jan 8 17:36:57 2007 Subject: What's a good affordable UPS? In-Reply-To: <5dc6fd9e0701081706l49d5853eieea52d90f1791571@mail.gmail.com> References: <5dc6fd9e0612261912v7eb1ee36o3f1f00731a16af@mail.gmail.com> <5dc6fd9e0612262130j6ee20c01jea966c1e2b7663ce@mail.gmail.com> <5dc6fd9e0612270129m7dadb46yce5c0fdf2e5bd297@mail.gmail.com> <3B4891B7-D791-4DDB-B125-814A1A143E8C@objectwerks.com> <5dc6fd9e0612271213x1c1d7366lda43ef406bacb9fa@mail.gmail.com> <5dc6fd9e0612271214qada459i96717b5aac04b2ff@mail.gmail.com> <5dc6fd9e0612271645x8ded2ap2fd049d7d0539283@mail.gmail.com> <5dc6fd9e0701081706l49d5853eieea52d90f1791571@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <68CA1449-4914-4FEC-952E-EBD5DDD04A5E@autonomy.caltech.edu> We have UPSes here (made the mistake of buying MGS UPSes). We didn't install the manufacturer's software, either, OS X seems to handle it well enough. - We have ours set to shut down the systems when the UPS power level drops to 50%. (This is because when the batteries get old, their charge drops off much more quickly, so 50% might not buy much uptime in the end, and we don't trust the "time left" estimation.) - When the power goes out, even if the screensaver is running, the machine will shut itself down as you have the System Preferences set to do so. If you want to intervene in that process, you have to enter your password to dismiss the screensaver, and you can then alter the settings, shut down early, or do whatever. - There doesn't seem to be any record written in the system logs about power outages, I don't know why. Maybe it's a syslog level issue. HTH, Roland On Jan 8, 2007, at 5:06 PM, Hex Star wrote: > hello??? can anyone answer that question please??? thanks! :-) > > I'd also appreciate a response to what's below...thanks! :-) > > Alright well I've had the Belkin UPS for a while now and I'm very > happy with it ...the only issue at first was that the plug didn't > fit smugly into the outlet such that if the plug was left alone > it'd slip out...this was resolved simply enough though by plugging > one of those outlet extenders (not a surge protector) into the > outlet and the UPS into that as the UPS plug fit smugly in the > extender...other then that OS X recognizes the UPS without the > Belkin UPS software having to be installed and the UPS shutdown > features can be managed in the Power system preference panel...only > question I have is does anyone have a recommendation for the % left > in the UPS I should set my mac to shutdown at? I currently have it > at 70%...is that a good choice? The UPS is linked by me in this > thread already earlier but I'll post its info again anyways to make > it easier for you guys ...it's a 1100va 660watt UPS with 280 watts > being consumed in the battery backup plugs and the manual states > it'll provide backup power for around 1.5-4minutes at that > rate...so is having OS X automatically shut down my mac at 70% > depletion of my UPS a good choice? If not what would be better? > thanks! > > P.S. I've chosen not to use the BullDog UPS software Belkin > provides because of reported issues with it failing to see the UPS > after sleeping > > On 12/27/06, Hex Star wrote: > also, how does ups automatic shutdown handle a password protected > screensaver? will it shutdown fine even if the screensaver is > activated and usually needs a password before the screensaver will > close? thanks! :) > > > On 12/27/06, Hex Star wrote: > Oh one more thing...is there a way to tell in OS X if your mac has > cleanly shutdown the last time it powered off? Thanks! :-) > > On 12/27/06, Hex Star < hexstar@gmail.com> wrote: > thanks alot guys for your replies...so sounds good...the main > purpose of a UPS is indeed to just give me time to save my open > stuff and shutdown my mac safely and if I want it to be able to > auto shutdown my mac if I'm not around then I need to make sure I > don't have apps open that will need user interaction before closing > if I plan to leave for a long time during a storm...thanks again > for all your help guys, greatly appreciated! :-) > > > On 12/27/06, Shawn Erickson < shawnce@gmail.com> wrote: > > On Dec 27, 2006, at 7:39 AM, Chad Leigh wrote: > > > > > On Dec 27, 2006, at 2:29 AM, Hex Star wrote: > > > >> well really all I'm concerned about is my mac being able to > >> shutdown normally so that there isn't a chance of file system > >> corruption, I wouldn't leave things like word documents or other > >> important nature open and just leave for a long time far away from > >> my mac so in those cases I'd be near my mac so I could shut it > >> down and save the documents within the time frame given by the > >> UPS, all other times I typically just leave Firefox open with > >> gmail, paypal, and the apple store in tabs ... so if I use the > >> auto ups shutdown feature, since I have firefox set to warn on > >> closing when there's multiple tabs (sometimes when I stay up too > >> late I accidentally click the X for the main window and the > >> warning comes in handy), would the auto shutdown feature force > >> firefox to close? or would it be better for me to just disable the > >> warn on closing when there's multiple tabs alert? Er actually does > >> the UPS execute the shutdown as soon as power is lost or after it > >> looses a good amount of power? Guess it'd make sense for it to > >> wait a bit to allow for saving of open documents first...but if it > >> doesn't would it then just do a normal OS X shutdown? And if so > >> what does OS X do when trying to shutdown and there's apps open > >> that don't want to close because of alert dialogs? Does it wait > >> until the matter is fixed or does it force close the programs > >> after some time? sounds like this is the UPS for me...now if I can > >> just figure out how that mentioned event will play out I'll be all > >> set...thanks alot! :D > > > > I don't have a UPS software installed on my Mac so I do not know > > how they do a shutdown, but I would expect they would issue a > > shutdown event, the same as choosing "Shutdown" in the menu or hit > > the power button and get the shutdown dialog and tell it to > > shutdown. In my experience, when that happens, if an app cannot be > > quit, for example, the app puts up an alert to save documents and > > the alert does not have a timeout, then the shutdown is cancelled. > > I think the system waits for 2min or something like that, from my > > memory, before it cancels. > > Mac OS X / Mac hardware understands UPS requests. See the man page > for pmset. > > UPS SPECIFIC ARGUMENTS > UPS-specific arguments are only valid following the -u option. > UPS set-settings > tings also have an on/off value. Use a -1 argument instead of > percent or > minutes to turn any of these settings off. If multiple halt > conditions > are specified, the system will halt on the first condition that > occurs in > a low power situation. > > haltlevel - when draining UPS battery, battery level at which > to trigger > an emergency shutdown (value in %) > haltafter - when draining UPS battery, trigger emergency > shutdown after > this long running on UPS power (value in minutes) > haltremain - when draining UPS battery, trigger emergency > shutdown when > this much time remaining on UPS power is estimated (value in > minutes) > > Also note (think added in 10.3.3 timeframe)... > > < http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?path=Mac/10.4/en/ > mh2335.html> > > -Shawn > > > > > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-talk mailing list > MacOSX-talk@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-talk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /mailman/archive/macosx-talk/attachments/20070108/5036089c/attachment.html From jesusdiaz at apinet.es Tue Jan 9 06:35:57 2007 From: jesusdiaz at apinet.es (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jes=FAs_D=EDaz_Blanco?=) Date: Tue Jan 9 06:42:06 2007 Subject: Chat room for the keynote Message-ID: <694E91F3-BBB8-4F61-B216-C0C363E5910C@apinet.es> Well, since this year Apple hasn't invited me or any other european journos to London, what about a keynote chat room like the good old times? If you want to talk about it or you are in and want to share, join SteveBoom [1] in iChat. j. [1] Why SteveBoom? From jesusdiaz at apinet.es Tue Jan 9 06:39:25 2007 From: jesusdiaz at apinet.es (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jes=FAs_D=EDaz_Blanco?=) Date: Tue Jan 9 06:45:33 2007 Subject: Chat room for the keynote In-Reply-To: <694E91F3-BBB8-4F61-B216-C0C363E5910C@apinet.es> References: <694E91F3-BBB8-4F61-B216-C0C363E5910C@apinet.es> Message-ID: <4769305B-F382-42EF-B87D-E6A0FD993F38@apinet.es> Sorry, wrong YouTube video: Without the annoying music. Chat room for the keynote still the same: SteveBoom j. On 09/01/2007, at 15:35, Jes?s D?az Blanco wrote: > Well, since this year Apple hasn't invited me or any other european > journos to London, what about a keynote chat room like the good old > times? > > If you want to talk about it or you are in and want to share, join > SteveBoom [1] in iChat. > > j. > > [1] Why SteveBoom? > > > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-talk mailing list > MacOSX-talk@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-talk From chad at objectwerks.com Tue Jan 9 08:13:09 2007 From: chad at objectwerks.com (Chad Leigh) Date: Tue Jan 9 08:13:21 2007 Subject: Chat room for the keynote In-Reply-To: <4769305B-F382-42EF-B87D-E6A0FD993F38@apinet.es> References: <694E91F3-BBB8-4F61-B216-C0C363E5910C@apinet.es> <4769305B-F382-42EF-B87D-E6A0FD993F38@apinet.es> Message-ID: <22FFC52C-ABA7-4B5E-A47D-3756DE5C4B9B@objectwerks.com> What time does this start again? Chad On Jan 9, 2007, at 7:39 AM, Jes?s D?az Blanco wrote: > Sorry, wrong YouTube video: > > > > Without the annoying music. Chat room for the keynote still the same: > > SteveBoom > > j. > > > On 09/01/2007, at 15:35, Jes?s D?az Blanco wrote: > >> Well, since this year Apple hasn't invited me or any other >> european journos to London, what about a keynote chat room like >> the good old times? >> >> If you want to talk about it or you are in and want to share, join >> SteveBoom [1] in iChat. >> >> j. >> >> [1] Why SteveBoom? >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> MacOSX-talk mailing list >> MacOSX-talk@omnigroup.com >> http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-talk > > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-talk mailing list > MacOSX-talk@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-talk From das at doit.wisc.edu Tue Jan 9 08:20:54 2007 From: das at doit.wisc.edu (Dave Schroeder) Date: Tue Jan 9 08:21:07 2007 Subject: Chat room for the keynote In-Reply-To: <22FFC52C-ABA7-4B5E-A47D-3756DE5C4B9B@objectwerks.com> References: <694E91F3-BBB8-4F61-B216-C0C363E5910C@apinet.es> <4769305B-F382-42EF-B87D-E6A0FD993F38@apinet.es> <22FFC52C-ABA7-4B5E-A47D-3756DE5C4B9B@objectwerks.com> Message-ID: <2FA44ABD-4C53-44B9-8F19-FAEBBD984AD5@doit.wisc.edu> On Jan 9, 2007, at 10:13 AM, Chad Leigh wrote: > What time does this start again? Does what start? The keynote? 9AM PST. - Dave -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/pkcs7-signature Size: 2380 bytes Desc: not available Url : /mailman/archive/macosx-talk/attachments/20070109/c4082304/smime.bin From patxiroca at speedpost.net Tue Jan 9 09:52:29 2007 From: patxiroca at speedpost.net (Patxi Roca) Date: Tue Jan 9 09:52:52 2007 Subject: who writes this shite? Message-ID: Opening line: > "Apple Computer will announce Tuesday a cell phone with wireless service from Cingular Wireless, a news report said." So you have Infoworld, quoting "a news report". Who's friggin' news report? What ever happened to journalism? And then from MarketWatch: > "We expect that four phones will be launched," Nomura analyst Richard Windsor said in a research note Tuesday. Based on what, Dick? Care to make your statement sound even the remotest bit credible by citing some data? and then more from maretwatch: > Analyst Gene Munster of Piper Jaffray estimates Apple [snip] plans to make 12 million phones over the next six months. The new phones, which may be called "iPhone" and incorporate music-enabled features, aren't expected to be sold until mid-2007 or later. Ok, Gene. Apple's going to make 12 million phones in 6 months. Based upon what data? And iPhone? Gene, have you ever heard of a little company called Cisco? To quote FakeSteve: Frigtards. The whole tech industry press has apparently given up on journalism and just quote each other's speculation. It's no longer about credibility, it's all about click throughs. /patxi -- pamplona, espa?a From shawnce at gmail.com Tue Jan 9 09:59:49 2007 From: shawnce at gmail.com (Shawn Erickson) Date: Tue Jan 9 09:59:52 2007 Subject: who writes this shite? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 1/9/07, Patxi Roca wrote: > > > Opening line: > > > "Apple Computer will announce Tuesday a cell phone with wireless > service from Cingular Wireless, a news report said." > > So you have Infoworld, quoting "a news report". Who's friggin' news > report? What ever happened to journalism? > > And then from MarketWatch: > > mobile/story.aspx?guid=%7B3AC7B6F9%2D374F%2D4AF8%2DB3B7% > 2D1568497F6AD6%7D> > > > "We expect that four phones will be launched," Nomura analyst > Richard Windsor said in a research note Tuesday. > > Based on what, Dick? Care to make your statement sound even the > remotest bit credible by citing some data? > > and then more from maretwatch: > > > Analyst Gene Munster of Piper Jaffray estimates Apple [snip] > plans to make 12 million phones over the next six months. The new > phones, which may be called "iPhone" and incorporate music-enabled > features, aren't expected to be sold until mid-2007 or later. > > Ok, Gene. Apple's going to make 12 million phones in 6 months. Based > upon what data? And iPhone? Gene, have you ever heard of a little > company called Cisco? > > To quote FakeSteve: Frigtards. > > The whole tech industry press has apparently given up on journalism > and just quote each other's speculation. It's no longer about > credibility, it's all about click throughs. Good thing Apple is announcing the iPhone ... officially at this very moment. -Shawn From steve at paper-ape.com Tue Jan 9 10:01:02 2007 From: steve at paper-ape.com (steve harley) Date: Tue Jan 9 10:01:10 2007 Subject: who writes this [garbage]? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45A3D85E.1010009@paper-ape.com> go to one of the live feeds and get details of the phone; not all the details are up yet, but it's certainly pretty cool, though i probably can't afford it, and i'm not eager to go back to Cingular's shoddy customer service (if that indeed is who Apple contracts through) From rblove at airmail.net Tue Jan 9 10:05:03 2007 From: rblove at airmail.net (Robert Love) Date: Tue Jan 9 10:05:11 2007 Subject: who writes this shite? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <79349A96-875C-40EC-AE5A-261F65EB599A@airmail.net> Just means that Apple is controlling the rumors and speculation is all the "reporters" have to go on. On Jan 9, 2007, at 11:52 AM, Patxi Roca wrote: > HNapplecingularphone_1.html> > > Opening line: > > > "Apple Computer will announce Tuesday a cell phone with wireless > service from Cingular Wireless, a news report said." > > So you have Infoworld, quoting "a news report". Who's friggin' news > report? What ever happened to journalism? > > And then from MarketWatch: > > mobile/story.aspx?guid=%7B3AC7B6F9%2D374F%2D4AF8%2DB3B7% > 2D1568497F6AD6%7D> > > > "We expect that four phones will be launched," Nomura analyst > Richard Windsor said in a research note Tuesday. > > Based on what, Dick? Care to make your statement sound even the > remotest bit credible by citing some data? > > and then more from maretwatch: > > > Analyst Gene Munster of Piper Jaffray estimates Apple [snip] > plans to make 12 million phones over the next six months. The new > phones, which may be called "iPhone" and incorporate music-enabled > features, aren't expected to be sold until mid-2007 or later. > > Ok, Gene. Apple's going to make 12 million phones in 6 months. > Based upon what data? And iPhone? Gene, have you ever heard of a > little company called Cisco? > > To quote FakeSteve: Frigtards. > > The whole tech industry press has apparently given up on journalism > and just quote each other's speculation. It's no longer about > credibility, it's all about click throughs. > > /patxi > > -- > pamplona, espa?a > > > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-talk mailing list > MacOSX-talk@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-talk > From kremels at kreme.com Tue Jan 9 11:19:02 2007 From: kremels at kreme.com (LuKreme) Date: Tue Jan 9 11:19:36 2007 Subject: who writes this shite? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 9-Jan-2007, at 10:52, Patxi Roca wrote: > Ok, Gene. Apple's going to make 12 million phones in 6 months. > Based upon what data? And iPhone? Gene, have you ever heard of a > little company called Cisco? Well, he was right. iPhone it is. -- And, while it was regarded as pretty good evidence of criminality to be living in a slum, for some reason owning a whole street of them merely got you invited to the very best social occasions. From frenchchef at mac.com Tue Jan 9 11:26:49 2007 From: frenchchef at mac.com (David Parker) Date: Tue Jan 9 11:27:17 2007 Subject: Apple's updated the website with an iPhone picture Message-ID: <5DD1F751-B0CC-4651-A0F0-4504F872EC85@mac.com> http://apple.com Looks nice. From steve at paper-ape.com Tue Jan 9 11:40:27 2007 From: steve at paper-ape.com (steve harley) Date: Tue Jan 9 11:40:44 2007 Subject: Apple's updated the website with an iPhone picture In-Reply-To: <5DD1F751-B0CC-4651-A0F0-4504F872EC85@mac.com> References: <5DD1F751-B0CC-4651-A0F0-4504F872EC85@mac.com> Message-ID: <45A3EFAB.6080004@paper-ape.com> also Airport Extreme in new case and supporting 802.11n, or is this old news? From newslists at autonomy.caltech.edu Tue Jan 9 12:04:05 2007 From: newslists at autonomy.caltech.edu (Roland Torres) Date: Tue Jan 9 12:04:23 2007 Subject: Apple's updated the website with an iPhone picture In-Reply-To: <45A3EFAB.6080004@paper-ape.com> References: <5DD1F751-B0CC-4651-A0F0-4504F872EC85@mac.com> <45A3EFAB.6080004@paper-ape.com> Message-ID: ...and check out Apple TV: http://www.apple.com/appletv/ Roland On Jan 9, 2007, at 11:40 AM, steve harley wrote: > also Airport Extreme in new case and supporting 802.11n, or is this > old news? > > > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-talk mailing list > MacOSX-talk@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-talk > From newslists at autonomy.caltech.edu Tue Jan 9 12:26:11 2007 From: newslists at autonomy.caltech.edu (Roland Torres) Date: Tue Jan 9 12:26:24 2007 Subject: Apple's updated the website with an iPhone picture In-Reply-To: <5DD1F751-B0CC-4651-A0F0-4504F872EC85@mac.com> References: <5DD1F751-B0CC-4651-A0F0-4504F872EC85@mac.com> Message-ID: Somewhere it says the iPhone runs OS X? I'm still holding out for an iPDA... running OS X. Roland On Jan 9, 2007, at 11:26 AM, David Parker wrote: > http://apple.com > > Looks nice. > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-talk mailing list > MacOSX-talk@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-talk > From scott at maxify.com Tue Jan 9 12:29:59 2007 From: scott at maxify.com (Scott Stevenson) Date: Tue Jan 9 12:29:31 2007 Subject: Apple's updated the website with an iPhone picture In-Reply-To: References: <5DD1F751-B0CC-4651-A0F0-4504F872EC85@mac.com> Message-ID: <1C926E0C-D744-4CCD-842A-784145DF5968@maxify.com> On Jan 9, 2007, at 12:26 PM, Roland Torres wrote: > Somewhere it says the iPhone runs OS X? > I'm still holding out for an iPDA... running OS X. This is it, dude. - Scott -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Yes, 10-12 million phones, yes, it's an iPhone, yes it's WiFi and on Cingular ... -- Jared Earle :: There is no SPORK jearle@gmail.com :: http://www.23x.net The Spodcast :: http://spodcast.org From kcall at mac.com Tue Jan 9 12:32:41 2007 From: kcall at mac.com (Kevin Callahan) Date: Tue Jan 9 12:32:47 2007 Subject: Apple's updated the website with an iPhone picture In-Reply-To: <1C926E0C-D744-4CCD-842A-784145DF5968@maxify.com> References: <5DD1F751-B0CC-4651-A0F0-4504F872EC85@mac.com> <1C926E0C-D744-4CCD-842A-784145DF5968@maxify.com> Message-ID: <508FDC30-9245-496B-8DAD-6044CD1776B6@mac.com> On Jan 9, 2007, at 12:29 PM, Scott Stevenson wrote: > > On Jan 9, 2007, at 12:26 PM, Roland Torres wrote: > >> Somewhere it says the iPhone runs OS X? >> I'm still holding out for an iPDA... running OS X. > > This is it, dude. > > - Scott http://www.apple.com/iphone/technology/specs.html ? 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URL: /mailman/archive/macosx-talk/attachments/20070109/95898af7/attachment.html From joar at joar.com Tue Jan 9 12:36:46 2007 From: joar at joar.com (j o a r) Date: Tue Jan 9 12:37:15 2007 Subject: Apple's updated the website with an iPhone picture In-Reply-To: <1C926E0C-D744-4CCD-842A-784145DF5968@maxify.com> References: <5DD1F751-B0CC-4651-A0F0-4504F872EC85@mac.com> <1C926E0C-D744-4CCD-842A-784145DF5968@maxify.com> Message-ID: <3AE3A0FE-40A7-484D-A240-72AA8073B5B1@joar.com> On Jan 9, 2007, at 9:29 PM, Scott Stevenson wrote: >> Somewhere it says the iPhone runs OS X? >> I'm still holding out for an iPDA... running OS X. > > This is it, dude. It will be very interesting to see if / when / how they will allow third party developers to write apps for the iPhone. Probably the topic for some interesting sessions at WWDC 2007! Cocoa goes mobile! :-) j o a r From dave.pl at ping.at Tue Jan 9 12:09:41 2007 From: dave.pl at ping.at (Dietmar Planitzer) Date: Tue Jan 9 12:41:07 2007 Subject: Apple's updated the website with an iPhone picture In-Reply-To: References: <5DD1F751-B0CC-4651-A0F0-4504F872EC85@mac.com> <45A3EFAB.6080004@paper-ape.com> Message-ID: ...and then check out this: Yep, that iPhone thingy runs OS X. Not only does this mean that that thing is de facto the smallest Mac ever produced, it also means that it opens up a whole new market for the Macintosh platform... That also casts a new light on the whole resolution independent UI feature that'll come with Leopard... Regards, Dietmar Planitzer On Jan 9, 2007, at 9:04 PM, Roland Torres wrote: > ...and check out Apple TV: > > http://www.apple.com/appletv/ > > Roland > > > On Jan 9, 2007, at 11:40 AM, steve harley wrote: > >> also Airport Extreme in new case and supporting 802.11n, or is >> this old news? >> >> From joar at joar.com Tue Jan 9 12:47:25 2007 From: joar at joar.com (j o a r) Date: Tue Jan 9 12:47:31 2007 Subject: Apple's updated the website with an iPhone picture In-Reply-To: References: <5DD1F751-B0CC-4651-A0F0-4504F872EC85@mac.com> <45A3EFAB.6080004@paper-ape.com> Message-ID: <0EEE407A-6495-4E2D-8FFB-5E6C06FB25E6@joar.com> On Jan 9, 2007, at 9:09 PM, Dietmar Planitzer wrote: > Yep, that iPhone thingy runs OS X. Not only does this mean that > that thing is de facto the smallest Mac ever produced, it also > means that it opens up a whole new market for the Macintosh > platform... But surely it's some sort of Mac OS X "Lite". If for no other reason, because the iPhone only got max. 8 GB of storage... It would be very interesting to know exactly what's available (with regards to system frameworks, apps and utilities), and what's not! I'll guess we have to wait until it starts shipping. j o a r From mailist at ericgorr.net Tue Jan 9 12:49:40 2007 From: mailist at ericgorr.net (Eric Gorr) Date: Tue Jan 9 12:50:11 2007 Subject: Apple's updated the website with an iPhone picture In-Reply-To: References: <5DD1F751-B0CC-4651-A0F0-4504F872EC85@mac.com> <45A3EFAB.6080004@paper-ape.com> Message-ID: <6516BA75-D944-422F-8D61-EE57248BB655@ericgorr.net> On Jan 9, 2007, at 3:09 PM, Dietmar Planitzer wrote: > ...and then check out this: > > > > Yep, that iPhone thingy runs OS X. Not only does this mean that > that thing is de facto the smallest Mac ever produced, it also > means that it opens up a whole new market for the Macintosh > platform... Now, if Verizon Wireless would only pick up this phone, I could get it...unfortunately, in the DC area, Verizon offers the most flexible service with the ability to use it while underground in the metro system. It's simply not practical for me to switch. :-( > That also casts a new light on the whole resolution independent UI > feature that'll come with Leopard... Indeed. From kremels at kreme.com Tue Jan 9 12:51:24 2007 From: kremels at kreme.com (LuKreme) Date: Tue Jan 9 12:51:28 2007 Subject: Apple's updated the website with an iPhone picture In-Reply-To: <0EEE407A-6495-4E2D-8FFB-5E6C06FB25E6@joar.com> References: <5DD1F751-B0CC-4651-A0F0-4504F872EC85@mac.com> <45A3EFAB.6080004@paper-ape.com> <0EEE407A-6495-4E2D-8FFB-5E6C06FB25E6@joar.com> Message-ID: <4D3B7E71-425B-4F62-9497-538C88A93908@kreme.com> On 9-Jan-2007, at 13:47, j o a r wrote: > On Jan 9, 2007, at 9:09 PM, Dietmar Planitzer wrote: > >> Yep, that iPhone thingy runs OS X. Not only does this mean that >> that thing is de facto the smallest Mac ever produced, it also >> means that it opens up a whole new market for the Macintosh >> platform... > > But surely it's some sort of Mac OS X "Lite". If for no other > reason, because the iPhone only got max. 8 GB of storage... It > would be very interesting to know exactly what's available (with > regards to system frameworks, apps and utilities), and what's not! > I'll guess we have to wait until it starts shipping. Well, OS X is pretty small once you get rid of GarageBand and such. Since you can fit enough of OS X to be useful onto a boot CD (like, say Disk Warrior). Also, the OS is not part of the 4 or gb of flash storage I wouldn't think. -- It was a fifty-four with a mashed up door and a cheesy little amp with a sign on the front said "Fender Champ" and a second-hand guitar it was a Stratocaster with a whammy bar From kcall at mac.com Tue Jan 9 12:50:58 2007 From: kcall at mac.com (Kevin Callahan) Date: Tue Jan 9 12:56:05 2007 Subject: iLife, iWork, Mac mini, Dual Quadcore Message-ID: <7AED6B33-1BE4-4C86-A168-9865AF89FC33@mac.com> will we see updates --- iLife, iWork, Mac mini, Dual Quadcore if so, when? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /mailman/archive/macosx-talk/attachments/20070109/c9022839/attachment.html From joar at joar.com Tue Jan 9 12:59:28 2007 From: joar at joar.com (j o a r) Date: Tue Jan 9 12:59:34 2007 Subject: Apple's updated the website with an iPhone picture In-Reply-To: <4D3B7E71-425B-4F62-9497-538C88A93908@kreme.com> References: <5DD1F751-B0CC-4651-A0F0-4504F872EC85@mac.com> <45A3EFAB.6080004@paper-ape.com> <0EEE407A-6495-4E2D-8FFB-5E6C06FB25E6@joar.com> <4D3B7E71-425B-4F62-9497-538C88A93908@kreme.com> Message-ID: <7D70AA29-A06B-4A6A-B51F-72845073E721@joar.com> On Jan 9, 2007, at 9:51 PM, LuKreme wrote: > Also, the OS is not part of the 4 or gb of flash storage I wouldn't > think. One would hope not! 4 - 8 GB is still very limited, considering that they intend it to be used for not only music, but photos and videos as well... j o a r From steve at paper-ape.com Tue Jan 9 13:02:15 2007 From: steve at paper-ape.com (steve harley) Date: Tue Jan 9 13:02:28 2007 Subject: Apple's updated the website with an iPhone picture In-Reply-To: References: <5DD1F751-B0CC-4651-A0F0-4504F872EC85@mac.com> Message-ID: <45A402D7.2000506@paper-ape.com> they whom i call Roland Torres wrote: > Somewhere it says the iPhone runs OS X? > I'm still holding out for an iPDA... running OS X. that's what iPhone seems to be, but it comes with phone service From joar at joar.com Tue Jan 9 13:09:11 2007 From: joar at joar.com (j o a r) Date: Tue Jan 9 13:09:20 2007 Subject: iLife, iWork, Mac mini, Dual Quadcore In-Reply-To: <7AED6B33-1BE4-4C86-A168-9865AF89FC33@mac.com> References: <7AED6B33-1BE4-4C86-A168-9865AF89FC33@mac.com> Message-ID: <4C3C6B96-2074-42C9-A002-92BA43E3A5DE@joar.com> On Jan 9, 2007, at 9:50 PM, Kevin Callahan wrote: > will we see updates --- > > iLife, iWork, Mac mini, Dual Quadcore > > if so, when? I figured that the release of iLife + iWork 07 and a demo of Leopard were a given for this keynote, but as has been fashionable of late, iToys are in, and Mac is out... :-) They will probably have some sort of public announcement in the not too distant future for other things, as I'm sure there are a lot waiting in the pipe. j o a r From kcall at mac.com Tue Jan 9 13:07:50 2007 From: kcall at mac.com (Kevin Callahan) Date: Tue Jan 9 13:12:56 2007 Subject: Apple's updated the website with an iPhone picture In-Reply-To: <7D70AA29-A06B-4A6A-B51F-72845073E721@joar.com> References: <5DD1F751-B0CC-4651-A0F0-4504F872EC85@mac.com> <45A3EFAB.6080004@paper-ape.com> <0EEE407A-6495-4E2D-8FFB-5E6C06FB25E6@joar.com> <4D3B7E71-425B-4F62-9497-538C88A93908@kreme.com> <7D70AA29-A06B-4A6A-B51F-72845073E721@joar.com> Message-ID: On Jan 9, 2007, at 12:59 PM, j o a r wrote: > > On Jan 9, 2007, at 9:51 PM, LuKreme wrote: > >> Also, the OS is not part of the 4 or gb of flash storage I >> wouldn't think. > > One would hope not! 4 - 8 GB is still very limited, considering > that they intend it to be used for not only music, but photos and > videos as well... any details on syncing ? From kcall at mac.com Tue Jan 9 13:12:42 2007 From: kcall at mac.com (Kevin Callahan) Date: Tue Jan 9 13:12:59 2007 Subject: iLife, iWork, Mac mini, Dual Quadcore In-Reply-To: <4C3C6B96-2074-42C9-A002-92BA43E3A5DE@joar.com> References: <7AED6B33-1BE4-4C86-A168-9865AF89FC33@mac.com> <4C3C6B96-2074-42C9-A002-92BA43E3A5DE@joar.com> Message-ID: On Jan 9, 2007, at 1:09 PM, j o a r wrote: > > On Jan 9, 2007, at 9:50 PM, Kevin Callahan wrote: > >> will we see updates --- >> >> iLife, iWork, Mac mini, Dual Quadcore >> >> if so, when? > > I figured that the release of iLife + iWork 07 and a demo of > Leopard were a given for this keynote, but as has been fashionable > of late, iToys are in, and Mac is out... :-) > > They will probably have some sort of public announcement in the not > too distant future for other things, as I'm sure there are a lot > waiting in the pipe. > > j o a r > > i know several people itching to buy a DUAL QUADCORE .. and some others who have waiting to buy their MacBooks , iMacs and MacBookPros so that they would come with iLife 07 From newslists at autonomy.caltech.edu Tue Jan 9 13:32:52 2007 From: newslists at autonomy.caltech.edu (Roland Torres) Date: Tue Jan 9 13:33:05 2007 Subject: Apple's updated the website with an iPhone picture In-Reply-To: <3AE3A0FE-40A7-484D-A240-72AA8073B5B1@joar.com> References: <5DD1F751-B0CC-4651-A0F0-4504F872EC85@mac.com> <1C926E0C-D744-4CCD-842A-784145DF5968@maxify.com> <3AE3A0FE-40A7-484D-A240-72AA8073B5B1@joar.com> Message-ID: <9816F68F-4176-4295-8C57-AD3DC826CF5A@autonomy.caltech.edu> On Jan 9, 2007, at 12:36 PM, j o a r wrote: > > On Jan 9, 2007, at 9:29 PM, Scott Stevenson wrote: > >>> Somewhere it says the iPhone runs OS X? >>> I'm still holding out for an iPDA... running OS X. >> >> This is it, dude. > > It will be very interesting to see if / when / how they will allow > third party developers to write apps for the iPhone. > Probably the topic for some interesting sessions at WWDC 2007! People here are picking their jaws up off the floor. They want an SDK, forseeing all sorts of embedded applications for it. Anyone know what CPU its running? Roland From mjwise at kapu.net Tue Jan 9 13:47:05 2007 From: mjwise at kapu.net (Michael J Wise) Date: Tue Jan 9 14:04:07 2007 Subject: iLife, iWork, Mac mini, Dual Quadcore In-Reply-To: <7AED6B33-1BE4-4C86-A168-9865AF89FC33@mac.com> References: <7AED6B33-1BE4-4C86-A168-9865AF89FC33@mac.com> Message-ID: <12BF3F23-F98B-49A8-8361-1BB57B399791@kapu.net> On Jan 9, 2007, at 10:50 AM, Kevin Callahan wrote: > will we see updates --- > > iLife, iWork, Mac mini, Dual Quadcore " Yes... > if so, when? " The Shadow Knows.... Aloha mai Nai`a! -- "Please have your Internet License http://kapu.net/~mjwise/ and Usenet Registration handy..." From joar at joar.com Tue Jan 9 14:12:09 2007 From: joar at joar.com (j o a r) Date: Tue Jan 9 14:12:14 2007 Subject: Keynote webcast URL Message-ID: <5ADB9BBF-E6B4-4D49-8020-013FD0743E0B@joar.com> Will show up here some time later today: j o a r From scott at maxify.com Tue Jan 9 14:13:01 2007 From: scott at maxify.com (Scott Stevenson) Date: Tue Jan 9 14:12:26 2007 Subject: Apple's updated the website with an iPhone picture In-Reply-To: <9816F68F-4176-4295-8C57-AD3DC826CF5A@autonomy.caltech.edu> References: <5DD1F751-B0CC-4651-A0F0-4504F872EC85@mac.com> <1C926E0C-D744-4CCD-842A-784145DF5968@maxify.com> <3AE3A0FE-40A7-484D-A240-72AA8073B5B1@joar.com> <9816F68F-4176-4295-8C57-AD3DC826CF5A@autonomy.caltech.edu> Message-ID: <1F4B2505-842E-4B07-B866-BA381AF816F4@maxify.com> On Jan 9, 2007, at 1:32 PM, Roland Torres wrote: > People here are picking their jaws up off the floor. They want an > SDK, forseeing all sorts of embedded applications for it. Anyone > know what CPU its running? 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URL: /mailman/archive/macosx-talk/attachments/20070109/e5ad0ae8/attachment.html From scott at maxify.com Tue Jan 9 14:22:29 2007 From: scott at maxify.com (Scott Stevenson) Date: Tue Jan 9 14:21:53 2007 Subject: Apple's updated the website with an iPhone picture In-Reply-To: <6516BA75-D944-422F-8D61-EE57248BB655@ericgorr.net> References: <5DD1F751-B0CC-4651-A0F0-4504F872EC85@mac.com> <45A3EFAB.6080004@paper-ape.com> <6516BA75-D944-422F-8D61-EE57248BB655@ericgorr.net> Message-ID: <346FF629-5088-487E-A93C-5BB1B761D98D@maxify.com> On Jan 9, 2007, at 12:49 PM, Eric Gorr wrote: > Now, if Verizon Wireless would only pick up this phone, I could get > it...unfortunately, in the DC area, Verizon offers the most > flexible service with the ability to use it while underground in > the metro system. It's simply not practical for me to switch. :-( I don't think it's a matter of them picking it up. I'm sure they'd love to carry it, but they're not going to be allowed to. 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URL: /mailman/archive/macosx-talk/attachments/20070109/70fc37ef/attachment.html From mstearne at entermix.com Tue Jan 9 14:33:25 2007 From: mstearne at entermix.com (Michael Stearne) Date: Tue Jan 9 14:33:29 2007 Subject: Apple's updated the website with an iPhone picture In-Reply-To: <346FF629-5088-487E-A93C-5BB1B761D98D@maxify.com> References: <5DD1F751-B0CC-4651-A0F0-4504F872EC85@mac.com> <45A3EFAB.6080004@paper-ape.com> <6516BA75-D944-422F-8D61-EE57248BB655@ericgorr.net> <346FF629-5088-487E-A93C-5BB1B761D98D@maxify.com> Message-ID: <293e03f00701091433k66c766bbi3db287c4c9ed5a0f@mail.gmail.com> On 1/9/07, Scott Stevenson wrote: > > > On Jan 9, 2007, at 12:49 PM, Eric Gorr wrote: > > > Now, if Verizon Wireless would only pick up this phone, I could get > it...unfortunately, in the DC area, Verizon offers the most flexible service > with the ability to use it while underground in the metro system. It's > simply not practical for me to switch. :-( > I don't think it's a matter of them picking it up. I'm sure they'd love to > carry it, but they're not going to be allowed to. > > My guess is Cingular gets an exclusive in return for promoting the daylights > out of it. > > Cingular was also the first to be involved in iSync. Also the phone is GSM. I don't think there will ever be Verizon (CDMA) support if that is the case. Michael > > - Scott > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-talk mailing list > MacOSX-talk@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-talk > > > From kcall at mac.com Tue Jan 9 14:36:19 2007 From: kcall at mac.com (Kevin Callahan) Date: Tue Jan 9 14:36:23 2007 Subject: iPhone video iChat Message-ID: <9E09FDCC-4841-4368-BCDC-6EB18F2CF519@mac.com> looking for info on the iPhone for iChat/Video support ... ??? From mstearne at entermix.com Tue Jan 9 14:40:12 2007 From: mstearne at entermix.com (Michael Stearne) Date: Tue Jan 9 14:40:16 2007 Subject: iPhone OS Message-ID: <293e03f00701091440w891864cu1665c622bb41b3fa@mail.gmail.com> If OS X is the OS for the phone does that include Quicktime? That is really the big feature that they could bring to the mobile video party. Does Safari run Quicktime videos embedded on the phone? Better yet what about Flash? I have a feeling that the underlying OS is probably Java based which hopefully would allow apps from other phones (similar to midlets for Java apps wanting to run on Blackberrys). There are a LOT of java apps potential for phones out there. I just hope Apple won't keep this a closed space. Michael From pelorus at mac.com Tue Jan 9 14:40:53 2007 From: pelorus at mac.com (Matt Johnston) Date: Tue Jan 9 14:41:19 2007 Subject: iPhone video iChat In-Reply-To: <9E09FDCC-4841-4368-BCDC-6EB18F2CF519@mac.com> References: <9E09FDCC-4841-4368-BCDC-6EB18F2CF519@mac.com> Message-ID: On 9 Jan 2007, at 22:36, Kevin Callahan wrote: > looking for info on the iPhone for iChat/Video support ... It doesn't do it. Currently. Any enterprising developers going to write an AIM client? M From kcall at mac.com Tue Jan 9 14:42:40 2007 From: kcall at mac.com (Kevin Callahan) Date: Tue Jan 9 14:42:43 2007 Subject: GSM vs CDMA Message-ID: <96E1A937-4257-45C8-A419-B19430B1F609@mac.com> i'm not all that conversant with the pros/cons of each -- comments? From finlay.dobbie at gmail.com Tue Jan 9 14:44:19 2007 From: finlay.dobbie at gmail.com (Finlay Dobbie) Date: Tue Jan 9 14:44:23 2007 Subject: GSM vs CDMA In-Reply-To: <96E1A937-4257-45C8-A419-B19430B1F609@mac.com> References: <96E1A937-4257-45C8-A419-B19430B1F609@mac.com> Message-ID: GSM > CDMA. :p -- Finlay On 09/01/07, Kevin Callahan wrote: > i'm not all that conversant with the pros/cons of each -- > comments? > > > > > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-talk mailing list > MacOSX-talk@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-talk > From scott at maxify.com Tue Jan 9 14:50:12 2007 From: scott at maxify.com (Scott Stevenson) Date: Tue Jan 9 14:49:33 2007 Subject: GSM vs CDMA In-Reply-To: <96E1A937-4257-45C8-A419-B19430B1F609@mac.com> References: <96E1A937-4257-45C8-A419-B19430B1F609@mac.com> Message-ID: <6EF84261-05F0-4081-9E7E-6A715651734C@maxify.com> On Jan 9, 2007, at 2:42 PM, Kevin Callahan wrote: > i'm not all that conversant with the pros/cons of each -- > comments? > > http://stevenf.com/2006/11/the_wild_world_of_us_cellular_networks.php - Scott -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /mailman/archive/macosx-talk/attachments/20070109/df3d8b5d/attachment.html From joar at joar.com Tue Jan 9 14:51:24 2007 From: joar at joar.com (j o a r) Date: Tue Jan 9 14:51:37 2007 Subject: iPhone OS In-Reply-To: <293e03f00701091440w891864cu1665c622bb41b3fa@mail.gmail.com> References: <293e03f00701091440w891864cu1665c622bb41b3fa@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <91C37F7D-86B2-4E75-9DC9-F87113C174DD@joar.com> On Jan 9, 2007, at 11:40 PM, Michael Stearne wrote: > I have a feeling that the underlying OS is probably Java based which > hopefully would allow apps from other phones (similar to midlets for > Java apps wanting to run on Blackberrys). There are a LOT of java > apps potential for phones out there. I just hope Apple won't keep this > a closed space. The OS is officially declared to be Mac OS X, so it's definitively not based on Java. It could still have a Java runtime of course, but I'm not sure how much good it would bring to the table? I would much rather see a full fledged Cocoa/ObjC environment! j o a r From shawnce at gmail.com Tue Jan 9 14:52:41 2007 From: shawnce at gmail.com (Shawn Erickson) Date: Tue Jan 9 14:52:44 2007 Subject: GSM vs CDMA In-Reply-To: References: <96E1A937-4257-45C8-A419-B19430B1F609@mac.com> Message-ID: ...I hate how folks, including cellular companies, call higher level protocols "CDMA"... CDMA = code division multiple access. CDMA is a great technology that allows multiple transmitters to simultaneously share the same frequency space with little degradation in bandwidth and allows for more overlapping cells. CDMA is generally superior to TDMA. CDMA... the true meaning... cannot be compared to GSM. Compare GSM / EDGE to CDMA2000 / EV-DO http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_System_for_Mobile_Communications http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CDMA2000 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enhanced_Data_Rates_for_GSM_Evolution -Shawn From scott at maxify.com Tue Jan 9 14:53:26 2007 From: scott at maxify.com (Scott Stevenson) Date: Tue Jan 9 14:52:46 2007 Subject: iPhone OS In-Reply-To: <293e03f00701091440w891864cu1665c622bb41b3fa@mail.gmail.com> References: <293e03f00701091440w891864cu1665c622bb41b3fa@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8B70A903-0063-45F3-B086-BEC59CBA3B51@maxify.com> On Jan 9, 2007, at 2:40 PM, Michael Stearne wrote: > If OS X is the OS for the phone does that include Q