From shacker at birdhouse.org Sat Dec 1 09:13:20 2007 From: shacker at birdhouse.org (Hacker Scot) Date: Sat Dec 1 09:13:28 2007 Subject: IMAP Notes In-Reply-To: <30EA7E8D-D153-4B41-9CFD-F2F392C8171F@softhome.net> References: <4BD40417-8355-42BC-AADD-BC87812F9D2B@birdhouse.org> <30EA7E8D-D153-4B41-9CFD-F2F392C8171F@softhome.net> Message-ID: On Nov 30, 2007, at 5:23 PM, Karl Kuehn wrote: > > I don't like the way it is implemented, but there is a trick to > doing this: You have to select a folder that is on that account (and > that account has to have "Store notes in Inbox" checked in the > "Mailbox Behaviors"), and then all of the new notes will go into > that server. The same thing happens for new Todos. > I would much rather that notes and todos didn't go into the Inbox, > but were a separate folder (or at least could be hidden in the > Inbox), and that there was a drop-down when you create notes/todo's > of all of the accounts so that you could direct them at will. Ah, I see how it works now. I had seen that "store notes in inbox" option but of course didn't want them cluttering up my inbox. I assumed that not storing them in the inbox would still result in them being stored in a folder on the IMAP server. So much for "zero-inbox," especially if you have lots of notes to store on a long-term basis. This is really crummy UI for people who use lots of Stickies and want to replace them with IMAP notes. Crummy enough that I'm going back to using Drafts stored on the server for my notes needs. Krep. Thanks. ./s From scott at cocoadoc.com Sat Dec 1 22:50:30 2007 From: scott at cocoadoc.com (Scott Anguish) Date: Sat Dec 1 22:50:36 2007 Subject: IMAP Notes In-Reply-To: References: <4BD40417-8355-42BC-AADD-BC87812F9D2B@birdhouse.org> <30EA7E8D-D153-4B41-9CFD-F2F392C8171F@softhome.net> Message-ID: I'm confused. I use notes and I'm sure this is being stored on my server In the Composing preference the option is Create Notes & ToDo's in: and allows me to pick a mailbox. none of my notes show up in my inbox, just in the notes disclosure. The option is to select the account, not the inbox On Dec 1, 2007, at 12:13 PM, Hacker Scot wrote: > > On Nov 30, 2007, at 5:23 PM, Karl Kuehn wrote: >> >> I don't like the way it is implemented, but there is a trick to >> doing this: You have to select a folder that is on that account >> (and that account has to have "Store notes in Inbox" checked in the >> "Mailbox Behaviors"), and then all of the new notes will go into >> that server. The same thing happens for new Todos. >> I would much rather that notes and todos didn't go into the Inbox, >> but were a separate folder (or at least could be hidden in the >> Inbox), and that there was a drop-down when you create notes/todo's >> of all of the accounts so that you could direct them at will. > > Ah, I see how it works now. I had seen that "store notes in inbox" > option but of course didn't want them cluttering up my inbox. I > assumed that not storing them in the inbox would still result in > them being stored in a folder on the IMAP server. So much for "zero- > inbox," especially if you have lots of notes to store on a long-term > basis. This is really crummy UI for people who use lots of Stickies > and want to replace them with IMAP notes. Crummy enough that I'm > going back to using Drafts stored on the server for my notes needs. > Krep. > From shacker at birdhouse.org Sat Dec 1 23:09:08 2007 From: shacker at birdhouse.org (Hacker Scot) Date: Sat Dec 1 23:09:16 2007 Subject: IMAP Notes In-Reply-To: References: <4BD40417-8355-42BC-AADD-BC87812F9D2B@birdhouse.org> <30EA7E8D-D153-4B41-9CFD-F2F392C8171F@softhome.net> Message-ID: On Dec 1, 2007, at 10:50 PM, Scott Anguish wrote: > I'm confused. > > I use notes and I'm sure this is being stored on my server > > In the Composing preference the option is Create Notes & ToDo's in: > and allows me to pick a mailbox. none of my notes show up in my > inbox, just in the notes disclosure. The option is to select the > account, not the inbox > Well, now I'm confused too. You're right, that option definitely implies that Notes are stored in the IMAP acct without having to store them in the inbox. And now I see that if I ssh into my mail host I can: cd ~/mail/birdhouse.org/shacker/.Notes/cur and verify that there are the same number of note files there as I have saved. So it *appears* to be working as one would expect. But then... why is that IMAP account's Notes folder empty when checked from work? Mysterious... ./s From scott at cocoadoc.com Sun Dec 2 00:01:14 2007 From: scott at cocoadoc.com (Scott Anguish) Date: Sun Dec 2 00:01:17 2007 Subject: IMAP Notes In-Reply-To: References: <4BD40417-8355-42BC-AADD-BC87812F9D2B@birdhouse.org> <30EA7E8D-D153-4B41-9CFD-F2F392C8171F@softhome.net> Message-ID: <67AAFC90-AE81-4D31-971B-84FA8643DFF0@cocoadoc.com> very odd.. bug worthy in fact. Have you tried rebuilding the mail index on your work machine? The other possibility (and I'd backup my notes first...) is to try and create a new Note at work and see if that brings up the appropriate syncing. On Dec 2, 2007, at 2:09 AM, Hacker Scot wrote: > > On Dec 1, 2007, at 10:50 PM, Scott Anguish wrote: > >> I'm confused. >> >> I use notes and I'm sure this is being stored on my server >> >> In the Composing preference the option is Create Notes & ToDo's in: >> and allows me to pick a mailbox. none of my notes show up in my >> inbox, just in the notes disclosure. The option is to select the >> account, not the inbox >> > > Well, now I'm confused too. You're right, that option definitely > implies that Notes are stored in the IMAP acct without having to > store them in the inbox. And now I see that if I ssh into my mail > host I can: > > cd ~/mail/birdhouse.org/shacker/.Notes/cur > > and verify that there are the same number of note files there as I > have saved. So it *appears* to be working as one would expect. But > then... why is that IMAP account's Notes folder empty when checked > from work? Mysterious... From johnmusbach at gmail.com Sun Dec 2 14:48:54 2007 From: johnmusbach at gmail.com (John Musbach) Date: Sun Dec 2 14:48:56 2007 Subject: Spaces gets really slow In-Reply-To: <7e5608b50711292006l5693610eh981cb520c34eb5a9@mail.gmail.com> References: <7e5608b50711292006l5693610eh981cb520c34eb5a9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7e5608b50712021448j11859fffk6543785d4aa1073f@mail.gmail.com> On Nov 29, 2007 8:06 PM, John Musbach wrote: > Not here Weird, chad's email address seems to be broken: This is an automatically generated Delivery Status Notification THIS IS A WARNING MESSAGE ONLY. YOU DO NOT NEED TO RESEND YOUR MESSAGE. Delivery to the following recipient has been delayed: chad@objectwerks.com Message will be retried for 2 more day(s) Technical details of temporary failure: TEMP_FAILURE: Could not initiate SMTP conversation with any hosts: [mail2.objectwerks.com. (10): Connection timed out] [mail.objectwerks.com. (20): Connection timed out] [mx1.shire.net. (100): 451 Temporary Problems MESSAGE 0x63AF; please try again later] [mx2.shire.net. (200): 451 Temporary Problems MESSAGE 0x63AF; please try again later 451 Temporary Problems MESSAGE 0x93AE; please try again later] -- Best Regards, John Musbach From shacker at birdhouse.org Mon Dec 3 11:48:56 2007 From: shacker at birdhouse.org (Scot Hacker) Date: Mon Dec 3 11:44:33 2007 Subject: IMAP Notes In-Reply-To: <67AAFC90-AE81-4D31-971B-84FA8643DFF0@cocoadoc.com> References: <4BD40417-8355-42BC-AADD-BC87812F9D2B@birdhouse.org> <30EA7E8D-D153-4B41-9CFD-F2F392C8171F@softhome.net> <67AAFC90-AE81-4D31-971B-84FA8643DFF0@cocoadoc.com> Message-ID: Interesting - Today the IMAP notes created on the home Mac magically showed up in the Notes folder on the work Mac, where before it was an empty folder. But the notes were uneditable. Then I rebuilt the Notes mailbox and they became editable. So it's working now, but achieving lift-off was mysteriously spotty. Thanks, Scot On Dec 2, 2007, at 12:01 AM, Scott Anguish wrote: > very odd.. > > bug worthy in fact. > > > Have you tried rebuilding the mail index on your work machine? > > The other possibility (and I'd backup my notes first...) is to try > and create a new Note at work and see if that brings up the > appropriate syncing. > > On Dec 2, 2007, at 2:09 AM, Hacker Scot wrote: > >> >> On Dec 1, 2007, at 10:50 PM, Scott Anguish wrote: >> >>> I'm confused. >>> >>> I use notes and I'm sure this is being stored on my server >>> >>> In the Composing preference the option is Create Notes & ToDo's >>> in: and allows me to pick a mailbox. none of my notes show up in >>> my inbox, just in the notes disclosure. The option is to select >>> the account, not the inbox >>> >> >> Well, now I'm confused too. You're right, that option definitely >> implies that Notes are stored in the IMAP acct without having to >> store them in the inbox. And now I see that if I ssh into my mail >> host I can: >> >> cd ~/mail/birdhouse.org/shacker/.Notes/cur >> >> and verify that there are the same number of note files there as I >> have saved. So it *appears* to be working as one would expect. But >> then... why is that IMAP account's Notes folder empty when checked >> from work? Mysterious... > From kcall at mac.com Tue Dec 4 11:52:52 2007 From: kcall at mac.com (Kevin Callahan) Date: Tue Dec 4 11:53:01 2007 Subject: repair permissions (can't repair) Message-ID: <6058A86E-A110-4164-ACF1-7728F1F33EA0@mac.com> A friend of mine is having this problem and wondering what it means and how to solve it. http://www.kevincallahan.org/repairPermissions.png I've never seen this. Should he be concerned? He's on Leopard 10.5.1 thanks, Kevin From dez at mac.com Tue Dec 4 12:09:47 2007 From: dez at mac.com (Derek Chesterfield) Date: Tue Dec 4 12:10:05 2007 Subject: repair permissions (can't repair) In-Reply-To: <6058A86E-A110-4164-ACF1-7728F1F33EA0@mac.com> References: <6058A86E-A110-4164-ACF1-7728F1F33EA0@mac.com> Message-ID: On 4 Dec 2007, at 19:52, Kevin Callahan wrote: > A friend of mine is having this problem and wondering what it means > and how to solve it. > http://www.kevincallahan.org/repairPermissions.png > I've never seen this. > Should he be concerned? Nothing to worry about! > > > He's on Leopard 10.5.1 Yes, 10.5.1 delta is the cause. The binaries are still OK. Just the checksum gets borked, or something. Applying 10.5.1. combo fixed all but ARDAgent, which is a problem Apple has documented. From dinse at niehs.nih.gov Tue Dec 4 12:11:26 2007 From: dinse at niehs.nih.gov (Gregg Dinse) Date: Tue Dec 4 12:11:35 2007 Subject: repair permissions (can't repair) In-Reply-To: <6058A86E-A110-4164-ACF1-7728F1F33EA0@mac.com> References: <6058A86E-A110-4164-ACF1-7728F1F33EA0@mac.com> Message-ID: I had the same thing happen, though I did not know what it meant. My memory is fuzzy, but in my case I think it occurred in the following situation. I just bought my wife a new iMac last week. I waited a month after Leopard was released, but it still came pre- loaded with Tiger. I did a clean install of Leopard and then loaded the iLife apps from the Tiger DVDs (since they are not on the slip-in Leopard DVD). I tried to start up each iLife app. iMovie kept crashing on launch. I think this is where I tried repairing permissions. If so, it did not help and I got this same set of messages that you report. I then checked for software updates and found them for most (if not all) of the iLife apps. After the update, I was able to start iMovie. It's possible that I repaired permissions after that, but I think it's more logical that I did it before the update. I doubt that any of this helps your friend much, but I thought I'd give you some details about what I think was going on when I got this message. Perhaps the problem arises from installing apps from a Tiger DVD on a Leopard system. Gregg On 4 Dec 2007, at 2:52 PM, Kevin Callahan wrote: > A friend of mine is having this problem and wondering what it means > and how to solve it. > http://www.kevincallahan.org/repairPermissions.png > > I've never seen this. > > Should he be concerned? > > He's on Leopard 10.5.1 > > thanks, > Kevin > > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-talk mailing list > MacOSX-talk@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-talk From kremels at kreme.com Tue Dec 4 12:13:38 2007 From: kremels at kreme.com (LuKreme) Date: Tue Dec 4 12:13:50 2007 Subject: repair permissions (can't repair) In-Reply-To: <6058A86E-A110-4164-ACF1-7728F1F33EA0@mac.com> References: <6058A86E-A110-4164-ACF1-7728F1F33EA0@mac.com> Message-ID: On 4-Dec-2007, at 12:52, Kevin Callahan wrote: > A friend of mine is having this problem and wondering what it means > and how to solve it. > http://www.kevincallahan.org/repairPermissions.png Warnings are not Errors. The Repair procedure completed successfully and these SUID are safe to ignore. There's some posts on the apple boards about these and related errors. Some people have found reinstalling 10.5.1 from the combo updater 'fixed' all but one, but really, there is nothing to see here. All it's really saying is "I don't know what the permissions are suppose to be on these files because no one told me, so I'm leaving them alone"/ Leaving them alone is the right choice. -- Q: Does anyone know how many LOCs were in the Space Shuttle's codebase? A: 45. It was written in perl (paraphrased Slashdot discussion) From macsrwe at macsrwe.com Tue Dec 4 12:16:38 2007 From: macsrwe at macsrwe.com (Macs R We) Date: Tue Dec 4 12:16:47 2007 Subject: repair permissions (can't repair) In-Reply-To: <20071204200157.262DE95B11@forums.omnigroup.com> References: <20071204200157.262DE95B11@forums.omnigroup.com> Message-ID: <9214B907-8B53-4A53-9C47-00BF66BE3007@macsrwe.com> On Dec 4, 2007, at 1:01 PM, macosx-talk-request@omnigroup.com wrote: > A friend of mine is having this problem and wondering what it means > and how to solve it. > http://www.kevincallahan.org/repairPermissions.png > > I've never seen this. > > Should he be concerned? > > He's on Leopard 10.5.1 No. Normal behavior. http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html? artnum=306925 -- Macs R We -- Personal Macintosh Service and Support in the Wickenburg and far Northwest Valley Areas. http://macsrwe.com From johnmusbach at gmail.com Tue Dec 4 20:38:07 2007 From: johnmusbach at gmail.com (John Musbach) Date: Tue Dec 4 20:38:09 2007 Subject: repair permissions (can't repair) In-Reply-To: <6058A86E-A110-4164-ACF1-7728F1F33EA0@mac.com> References: <6058A86E-A110-4164-ACF1-7728F1F33EA0@mac.com> Message-ID: <7e5608b50712042038y7e037847ka8de3c30f4cf90f0@mail.gmail.com> On Dec 4, 2007 11:52 AM, Kevin Callahan wrote: > Should he be concerned? This is completely normal for Leopard and can be safely ignored -- Best Regards, John Musbach From kremels at kreme.com Wed Dec 5 13:19:00 2007 From: kremels at kreme.com (LuKreme) Date: Wed Dec 5 13:19:06 2007 Subject: Leopard Mail and Gmail Message-ID: Since enabling gmail's IMAP I am often seeing Mail.app processing vast quantities of mail, often taking several hours and sometimes never finishing at all. What I see is something like this: (These are at the same time). Now, mail is NOT in fact downloading 100,000 messages, and this thread will trundle along at <4K/s basically forever, once it starts. I'm seriously considering just taking gmail back to POP3 since it is ONLY gmail that exhibits this behavior. -- The Monks of Cool, whose tiny and exclusive monastery is hidden in a really cool and laid-back valley in the lower Ramtops, have a passing- out test for a novice. He is taken into a room full of all types of clothing and asked: Yo, my son, which of these is the most stylish thing to wear? And the correct answer is: Hey, whatever I select. From m.des at mac.com Wed Dec 5 13:31:14 2007 From: m.des at mac.com (Michelangelo) Date: Wed Dec 5 13:31:30 2007 Subject: Leopard Mail and Gmail In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <28C6DE4C-2B11-4637-AE87-00AD5D483D55@mac.com> Il giorno 05/dic/07, alle ore 22:19, LuKreme ha scritto: > I'm seriously considering just taking gmail back to POP3 since it is > ONLY gmail that exhibits this behavior. I got the same exact issue when Gmail rolled out IMAP access. I hope they are aware of the situation they created with their own "IMAPv3 standard" and that damn "All mail" folder that can't even be unsubscribed. Two solutions: switch to another IMAP provider (even .Mac; loosing server-side mail filtering/ordering) or rollback to POP3. PS: You have my sympathy, I'm syncing 55.300~ messages since past saturday. -- // Et quid amabo nisi quod rerum enigma est? -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/pkcs7-signature Size: 2409 bytes Desc: not available Url : /mailman/archive/macosx-talk/attachments/20071205/22a4a67a/smime.bin From chad at objectwerks.com Wed Dec 5 14:41:55 2007 From: chad at objectwerks.com (Chad Leigh) Date: Wed Dec 5 14:42:04 2007 Subject: Spaces gets really slow In-Reply-To: <7e5608b50712021448j11859fffk6543785d4aa1073f@mail.gmail.com> References: <7e5608b50711292006l5693610eh981cb520c34eb5a9@mail.gmail.com> <7e5608b50712021448j11859fffk6543785d4aa1073f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3E386738-EF60-4C73-9DAB-8CA4B49B1B63@objectwerks.com> It should be fixed. DNS mess up on my part. Sorry Chad On Dec 2, 2007, at 3:48 PM, John Musbach wrote: > On Nov 29, 2007 8:06 PM, John Musbach wrote: >> Not here > > Weird, chad's email address seems to be broken: > > > This is an automatically generated Delivery Status Notification > > THIS IS A WARNING MESSAGE ONLY. > > YOU DO NOT NEED TO RESEND YOUR MESSAGE. > > Delivery to the following recipient has been delayed: > > chad@objectwerks.com > > Message will be retried for 2 more day(s) > > Technical details of temporary failure: > TEMP_FAILURE: Could not initiate SMTP conversation with any hosts: > [mail2.objectwerks.com. (10): Connection timed out] > [mail.objectwerks.com. (20): Connection timed out] > [mx1.shire.net. (100): 451 Temporary Problems MESSAGE 0x63AF; please > try again later] > [mx2.shire.net. (200): 451 Temporary Problems MESSAGE 0x63AF; please > try again later > 451 Temporary Problems MESSAGE 0x93AE; please try again later] > > > -- > Best Regards, > > John Musbach > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-talk mailing list > MacOSX-talk@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-talk From johnmusbach1 at gmail.com Wed Dec 5 19:58:30 2007 From: johnmusbach1 at gmail.com (John Musbach) Date: Wed Dec 5 19:58:32 2007 Subject: test Message-ID: <17c8e29e0712051958t2eabca9dt8cb023a3e5faf8bf@mail.gmail.com> test, account without 1 in name was disabled by gmail without explanation so please don't be alarmed when you see me posting with this address -- Best Regards, John Musbach -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /mailman/archive/macosx-talk/attachments/20071205/b4433197/attachment.html From jearle at gmail.com Thu Dec 6 01:19:22 2007 From: jearle at gmail.com (Jared Earle) Date: Thu Dec 6 01:19:25 2007 Subject: Leopard Mail and Gmail In-Reply-To: <28C6DE4C-2B11-4637-AE87-00AD5D483D55@mac.com> References: <28C6DE4C-2B11-4637-AE87-00AD5D483D55@mac.com> Message-ID: <5bbc0cd60712060119n748279a5wb8746fe7e303d5e2@mail.gmail.com> On Dec 5, 2007 9:31 PM, Michelangelo wrote: > > Il giorno 05/dic/07, alle ore 22:19, LuKreme ha scritto: > > > I'm seriously considering just taking gmail back to POP3 since it is > > ONLY gmail that exhibits this behavior. > > I got the same exact issue when Gmail rolled out IMAP access. I hope > they are aware of the situation they created with their own "IMAPv3 > standard" and that damn "All mail" folder that can't even be > unsubscribed. That bugs me, but not enough to stop using Gmail/IMAP -- Jared Earle :: There is no SPORK jearle@gmail.com :: http://www.23x.net The Spodcast :: http://spodcast.org From kremels at kreme.com Thu Dec 6 05:46:51 2007 From: kremels at kreme.com (LuKreme) Date: Thu Dec 6 05:46:57 2007 Subject: Leopard Mail and Gmail In-Reply-To: <5bbc0cd60712060119n748279a5wb8746fe7e303d5e2@mail.gmail.com> References: <28C6DE4C-2B11-4637-AE87-00AD5D483D55@mac.com> <5bbc0cd60712060119n748279a5wb8746fe7e303d5e2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <27AEA258-E1ED-4955-B2E7-937475B1515C@kreme.com> On 6-Dec-2007, at 02:19, Jared Earle wrote: > On Dec 5, 2007 9:31 PM, Michelangelo wrote: >> Il giorno 05/dic/07, alle ore 22:19, LuKreme ha scritto: >>> I'm seriously considering just taking gmail back to POP3 since it is >>> ONLY gmail that exhibits this behavior. >> >> I got the same exact issue when Gmail rolled out IMAP access. I hope >> they are aware of the situation they created with their own "IMAPv3 >> standard" and that damn "All mail" folder that can't even be >> unsubscribed. > > That bugs me, but not enough to stop using Gmail/IMAP The real issue is that when this happens, it throttles Mail.app's ability to update the unread message counts and the contents of smart folders. I find I have to tunnel down to the actual list folder to see new mail until mail.app 'un-chokes'. I'm also quite concerned over the reports of accounts suddenly being disabled. -- It was a fifty-four with a mashed up door and a cheesy little amp with a sign on the front said "Fender Champ" and a second-hand guitar it was a Stratocaster with a whammy bar From mikecap at mac.com Thu Dec 6 06:11:10 2007 From: mikecap at mac.com (mikecap@mac.com) Date: Thu Dec 6 06:11:15 2007 Subject: Leopard Mail and Gmail In-Reply-To: <27AEA258-E1ED-4955-B2E7-937475B1515C@kreme.com> References: <28C6DE4C-2B11-4637-AE87-00AD5D483D55@mac.com> <5bbc0cd60712060119n748279a5wb8746fe7e303d5e2@mail.gmail.com> <27AEA258-E1ED-4955-B2E7-937475B1515C@kreme.com> Message-ID: On Dec 6, 2007, at 8:46 AM, LuKreme wrote: > I'm also quite concerned over the reports of accounts suddenly being > disabled. A friend's wife's gmail account was disabled the other day, seemingly at random, but not long after an upgrade to Leopard. Is there speculation that Leopard's mail is doing this somehow? My gmail account had had no problems... Mike From lomion at gmail.com Thu Dec 6 06:38:40 2007 From: lomion at gmail.com (Larry Sica) Date: Thu Dec 6 06:38:45 2007 Subject: Strange window behaviors in Leopard Message-ID: Is anyone else seeing strange window behaviors with iTune in Leopard? Examples include when minimizing to the mini-player it not going back to last window position but in the middle of the window. Also sometimes when trying to move it from either a minizmize or maximize it will act like i am trying to move the window but be off as if it thinks the window is off to the right or left. I do have a dual monitor setup and am using spaces. Has anyone else seen anything like this? --Larry "there are three things to cry for in life - things that are lost, things that are found, and things that are magnificent.~douglas coupland" ------------------------------------------------ Lawrence Sica lomion@gmail.com http://www.blagosphere.org/larry ------------------------------------------------ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /mailman/archive/macosx-talk/attachments/20071206/8dc70b60/attachment.html From markds.lists at googlemail.com Thu Dec 6 06:43:21 2007 From: markds.lists at googlemail.com (Mark Smith) Date: Thu Dec 6 06:43:26 2007 Subject: Strange window behaviors in Leopard In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6F721667-4824-47E8-AD94-A1F911CB8819@gmail.com> On 06.12.2007, at 15:38, Larry Sica wrote: > Is anyone else seeing strange window behaviors with itunes in > Leopard? Examples include when minimizing to the mini-player it > not going back to last window position but in the middle of the > window. Also sometimes when trying to move it from either a > minizmize or maximize it will act like i am trying to move the > window but be off as if it thinks the window is off to the right or > left. > > I do have a dual monitor setup and am using spaces. Has anyone else > seen anything like this? Yes. Just today for the first time oddly enough. (MacBook that gets connected to / disconnected from an external monitor several times a day) Mark. From bcarter at nd.edu Thu Dec 6 06:46:44 2007 From: bcarter at nd.edu (Bruce Carter) Date: Thu Dec 6 06:46:51 2007 Subject: Strange window behaviors in Leopard In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I'm not seeing that specifically, but I am seeing Finder windows do a thing I'm calling "double clutching". When opening a folder in list view (happens to be an alias to a work folder on the desktop) it plots the contents window and very quickly replots it in the same place, giving it kind of a jerky appearance like when a low flying airplane passes between your dish and the satellite, which is NOT the place it is supposed to be, AND it is not the size it is supposed to be, but IS more or less in the center of the screen in the somewhat default position you describe. Closing the window and opening the alias again opens the window in the proper location at the proper size. It's an odd little occurrence. I haven't messed with this enough to figure out a causal relationship. On Dec 6, 2007, at 9:38 AM, Larry Sica wrote: > Is anyone else seeing strange window behaviors with iTune in > Leopard? Examples include when minimizing to the mini-player it > not going back to last window position but in the middle of the > window. Also sometimes when trying to move it from either a > minizmize or maximize it will act like i am trying to move the > window but be off as if it thinks the window is off to the right or > left. > > I do have a dual monitor setup and am using spaces. Has anyone else > seen anything like this? -- Bruce Carter, Senior Systems Engineer http://www.nd.edu/~bcarter/ Center for Creative Computing, University of Notre Dame, Notre Dame, IN 46556 From alsina at mac.com Thu Dec 6 08:33:16 2007 From: alsina at mac.com (Cesar Alsina) Date: Thu Dec 6 08:33:50 2007 Subject: Strange window behaviors in Leopard In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Dec 6, 2007, at 9:38 AM, Larry Sica wrote: > I do have a dual monitor setup and am using spaces. Has anyone else > seen anything like this? I deactivated Spaces yesterday ?after just a few hours of using it? because I could not return to InDesign CS3 after switching from one space to the one "holding" all CS3 apps. It seemed that InDesign was running just fine ?didn't appeared as "not responding" state in the Force Quit App Window?, it was just as if it was in an "in-between" spaces or something. iMac 2.8 GHz Core 2 Duo, one external monitor. Cesar Alsina .... Cesar Alsina | GraphicBiz Corp. | We cover the whole world! Graphic Design & Publishing Web Architecture & Information Design http://www.graphicbiz.biz : alsina@graphicbiz.biz -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /mailman/archive/macosx-talk/attachments/20071206/429608ba/attachment.html From johnmusbach1 at gmail.com Thu Dec 6 23:17:34 2007 From: johnmusbach1 at gmail.com (John Musbach) Date: Thu Dec 6 23:17:36 2007 Subject: Strange window behaviors in Leopard In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <17c8e29e0712062317m6be41399qc0b2afb82f69ed8c@mail.gmail.com> On Dec 6, 2007 6:38 AM, Larry Sica wrote: > I do have a dual monitor setup and am using spaces. Has anyone else seen > anything like this? This sounds like something you should report to Apple at http://bugreport.apple.com :) -- Best Regards, John Musbach From osxmaclover at gmail.com Sun Dec 9 07:47:05 2007 From: osxmaclover at gmail.com (Dale Kosan) Date: Sun Dec 9 07:47:49 2007 Subject: Well Message-ID: <047283E4-F73E-4F6A-AC88-A4D814106731@gmail.com> Is this list still active or is gmail IMAP screwing up? No messages for almost two days now. From pelorus at mac.com Sun Dec 9 08:12:05 2007 From: pelorus at mac.com (Matt Johnston) Date: Sun Dec 9 08:12:11 2007 Subject: Well In-Reply-To: <047283E4-F73E-4F6A-AC88-A4D814106731@gmail.com> References: <047283E4-F73E-4F6A-AC88-A4D814106731@gmail.com> Message-ID: On 9 Dec 2007, at 15:47, Dale Kosan wrote: > Is this list still active or is gmail IMAP screwing up? No messages > for almost two days now. Could it be the only thing people can think to talk about are problems? I've no idea whether the iPhone-talk list is higher volume? From kremels at kreme.com Sun Dec 9 14:19:12 2007 From: kremels at kreme.com (LuKreme) Date: Sun Dec 9 14:19:18 2007 Subject: Well In-Reply-To: References: <047283E4-F73E-4F6A-AC88-A4D814106731@gmail.com> Message-ID: On 9-Dec-2007, at 09:12, Matt Johnston wrote: > On 9 Dec 2007, at 15:47, Dale Kosan wrote: >> Is this list still active or is gmail IMAP screwing up? No messages >> for almost two days now. > > Could it be the only thing people can think to talk about are > problems? > > I've no idea whether the iPhone-talk list is higher volume? I've been afraid to bring up any iPhone issues for fear of getting them bounced. And the iphone-specific list has minimal traffic. -- There is a tragic flaw in our precious Constitution, and I don?t know what can be done to fix it. This is it: Only nut cases want to be president. From johnmusbach1 at gmail.com Sun Dec 9 14:24:39 2007 From: johnmusbach1 at gmail.com (John Musbach) Date: Sun Dec 9 14:24:42 2007 Subject: Well In-Reply-To: <047283E4-F73E-4F6A-AC88-A4D814106731@gmail.com> References: <047283E4-F73E-4F6A-AC88-A4D814106731@gmail.com> Message-ID: <17c8e29e0712091424y7993f46eja8ce54a88dea8e07@mail.gmail.com> On Dec 9, 2007 7:47 AM, Dale Kosan wrote: > Is this list still active or is gmail IMAP screwing up? No messages > for almost two days now. Nothing wrong with gmail's IMAP, this list just has low traffic -- Best Regards, John Musbach From johnmusbach1 at gmail.com Sun Dec 9 17:49:51 2007 From: johnmusbach1 at gmail.com (John Musbach) Date: Sun Dec 9 17:49:56 2007 Subject: ipfw port forwarding Message-ID: <17c8e29e0712091749h44cb6938j346a0732a038c4bc@mail.gmail.com> I have internet sharing enabled on one mac which is in a dmz and am trying to get another mac which is connected to the dmz'd mac via internet sharing to have traffic received by the dmz'd mac for a certain port to be forwarded to the connected mac...however the terminal command "sudo ipfw add 02110 forward 10.0.2.7 in" doesn't work (returns from missing but if I add "from any" after the ip I get a invalid syntax error regarding that statement so I don't understand what it wants), what am I doing wrong? Thanks! P.S. Obviously the easiest solution would to dmz this mac in question as well right? Unfortunately the router I'm using only allows one IP to be in a dmz at a time so that isn't a option since the currently dmz'd mac is a 24/7 public server... -- Best Regards, John Musbach From kremels at kreme.com Sun Dec 9 18:34:38 2007 From: kremels at kreme.com (LuKreme) Date: Sun Dec 9 18:34:47 2007 Subject: Well In-Reply-To: <17c8e29e0712091424y7993f46eja8ce54a88dea8e07@mail.gmail.com> References: <047283E4-F73E-4F6A-AC88-A4D814106731@gmail.com> <17c8e29e0712091424y7993f46eja8ce54a88dea8e07@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 9-Dec-2007, at 15:24, John Musbach wrote: > On Dec 9, 2007 7:47 AM, Dale Kosan wrote: >> Is this list still active or is gmail IMAP screwing up? No messages >> for almost two days now. > > Nothing wrong with gmail's IMAP Oh yes there is! > this list just has low traffic That too. -- sometimes ascii is the best use of bandwidth... Tonya Engst From david at idiomatrix.com Mon Dec 10 06:47:01 2007 From: david at idiomatrix.com (David Herren) Date: Mon Dec 10 06:47:19 2007 Subject: add user to group in Leopard Message-ID: Could someone post a simple procedure for adding existing users to existing groups now that NetInfo is gone. I hear lots of bitching and moaning about NetInfo, but at least there was a UI for administering it... Leopard is sorely lacking in the user management area as far as I am concerned... /david -- david herren-lage - shoreham, vt "We spent a lot of time talking about Africa, as we should. Africa is a nation that suffers from incredible disease." -George W. Bush, Gothenburg, Sweden, Jun 14, 2001 From dez at mac.com Mon Dec 10 07:37:54 2007 From: dez at mac.com (Derek Chesterfield) Date: Mon Dec 10 07:38:55 2007 Subject: add user to group in Leopard In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <56D91BFD-909E-4B66-B3E5-6BF578526A91@mac.com> On 10 Dec 2007, at 14:47, David Herren wrote: > Could someone post a simple procedure for adding existing users to > existing groups now that NetInfo is gone. I don't think there is a GUI way in OS X client. You can change the *primary* group of an account, so long as you know the group ID. In SysPrefs/Accounts, right-click the user, and change the primary group ID in the Advanced settings. If it isn't the primary group you want to change, you need to use the Directory Services command line. This command will add the user to the group: sudo dscl . append /Groups/ GroupMembership From johnmusbach1 at gmail.com Mon Dec 10 23:11:35 2007 From: johnmusbach1 at gmail.com (John Musbach) Date: Mon Dec 10 23:11:37 2007 Subject: add user to group in Leopard In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <17c8e29e0712102311jb4cb06bvb1bceab2d509e62@mail.gmail.com> On Dec 10, 2007 6:47 AM, David Herren wrote: > Could someone post a simple procedure for adding existing users to > existing groups now that NetInfo is gone. System Prefs>Accounts>Right click account in question>Click advanced>enjoy -- Best Regards, John Musbach From andrew.brown at c18.net Tue Dec 11 02:50:08 2007 From: andrew.brown at c18.net (Andrew Brown) Date: Tue Dec 11 02:50:12 2007 Subject: Mail and outgoing junk Message-ID: How can I stop Mail (Tiger) from flagging all my outgoing messages as junk ? improving my outgoing messages is not an option. AB From david at idiomatrix.com Tue Dec 11 03:08:14 2007 From: david at idiomatrix.com (David Herren) Date: Tue Dec 11 03:08:32 2007 Subject: add user to group in Leopard In-Reply-To: <17c8e29e0712102311jb4cb06bvb1bceab2d509e62@mail.gmail.com> References: <17c8e29e0712102311jb4cb06bvb1bceab2d509e62@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <99C27A25-03C9-41A5-916C-320019C52898@idiomatrix.com> On Dec 11, 2007, at 2:11 AM, John Musbach wrote: > On Dec 10, 2007 6:47 AM, David Herren wrote: >> Could someone post a simple procedure for adding existing users to >> existing groups now that NetInfo is gone. > > System Prefs>Accounts>Right click account in question>Click > advanced>enjoy You may have misunderstood my question. In that UI there is no way to _add_ an _existing_ group to an _existing_ user, not _change_ an existing users _primary_ group. The accounts interface allows one create a _new_ group by clicking the plus to add a user but then switch the popup to a group, and then add existing users to your new group. But if I want to add a user who already has an account and home directory, to a group already on the machine, the UI you suggest does not allow for that. /david -- david herren-lage - shoreham, vt "Neither in French, nor in English, nor in Mexican." -George W. Bush declining to answer reporters' questions at the Summit of the Americas, Quebec City, Apr 21, 2001 From neil at laubenthal.net Tue Dec 11 04:54:30 2007 From: neil at laubenthal.net (Neil Laubenthal) Date: Tue Dec 11 04:54:35 2007 Subject: add user to group in Leopard In-Reply-To: <99C27A25-03C9-41A5-916C-320019C52898@idiomatrix.com> References: <17c8e29e0712102311jb4cb06bvb1bceab2d509e62@mail.gmail.com> <99C27A25-03C9-41A5-916C-320019C52898@idiomatrix.com> Message-ID: <20071211075430.u48bp9dkq90k0ogk@webmail.his.com> Quoting David Herren : > You may have misunderstood my question. In that UI there is no way to > _add_ an _existing_ group to an _existing_ user, not _change_ an > existing users _primary_ group. The accounts interface allows one > create a _new_ group by clicking the plus to add a user but then switch > the popup to a group, and then add existing users to your new group. > But if I want to add a user who already has an account and home > directory, to a group already on the machine, the UI you suggest does > not allow for that. I'm not at home where I can look . . . but try the Sharing pane; there is some ability to manipulate users and groups there as well. I think you can do this directly from that preference pane. From finlay.dobbie at gmail.com Tue Dec 11 05:37:12 2007 From: finlay.dobbie at gmail.com (Finlay Dobbie) Date: Tue Dec 11 05:37:15 2007 Subject: add user to group in Leopard In-Reply-To: <99C27A25-03C9-41A5-916C-320019C52898@idiomatrix.com> References: <17c8e29e0712102311jb4cb06bvb1bceab2d509e62@mail.gmail.com> <99C27A25-03C9-41A5-916C-320019C52898@idiomatrix.com> Message-ID: On Dec 11, 2007 11:08 AM, David Herren wrote: > You may have misunderstood my question. In that UI there is no way to > _add_ an _existing_ group to an _existing_ user, not _change_ an > existing users _primary_ group. I believe you mean add an existing USER to an existing GROUP. If you create your own group, a new Groups disclosure appears alongside "Other Accounts", which then lets you select group membership by a bunch of checkboxes. There is, however, no way to edit membership for existing groups. The best way of directly manipulating groups at the low-level is to use the dseditgroup command. See its manpage for more information. -- Finlay From kcall at mac.com Wed Dec 12 10:02:16 2007 From: kcall at mac.com (Kevin Callahan) Date: Wed Dec 12 10:02:27 2007 Subject: moving iTunes Library to new location Message-ID: <57844E09-ED40-4A55-B451-68798F79193E@mac.com> I've done this before, but now it doesn't seem to be working. I have my music library on external Disk A. Due to space limitation, I copied the library to a new and larger Disk B. Opened my iTunes prefs. Set the new location via "CHANGE" button pointing to the library on Disk B. iTunes updated my library. I verified the new location in the prefs. When I select a tune in my library and ask to reveal in Finder, Finder brings me to Disk A. I quit iTunes, and reveal song again, still Disk A. I repeat the Change location of library setting. iTunes doesn't update the library. Reveal song is still Disk A. When I first did the CHANGE location and after it finished updating the library, I was asked if I wanted to MOVE the files. Since all I was doing was POINTING to the new location where the files existed on Disk B, I clicked NO. It took 3 hours to copy (via Finder) my 150G of music from Disk A to Disk B. Should I start over: delete the Library on Disk A create a new folder on Disk B to store library set iTunes prefs to new location on Disk B then when asked to copy, say YES Or, is there a way I can tell iTunes to use the new location since all the files are already there? I thought just pointing to the new library and updating the XML file would have done the trick. Thanks in advance. Kevin From mphsmcdonald at gmail.com Wed Dec 12 15:43:11 2007 From: mphsmcdonald at gmail.com (Charles J McDonald) Date: Wed Dec 12 15:43:18 2007 Subject: moving iTunes Library to new location In-Reply-To: <57844E09-ED40-4A55-B451-68798F79193E@mac.com> References: <57844E09-ED40-4A55-B451-68798F79193E@mac.com> Message-ID: Have you tried holding the option key while loading iTunes?That lets you open a different iTunes library and you can tell it to open the new directory. On Dec 12, 2007 1:02 PM, Kevin Callahan wrote: > I've done this before, but now it doesn't seem to be working. > > I have my music library on external Disk A. > > Due to space limitation, I copied the library to a new and larger Disk > B. > > Opened my iTunes prefs. > > Set the new location via "CHANGE" button pointing to the library on > Disk B. > > iTunes updated my library. > > I verified the new location in the prefs. > > When I select a tune in my library and ask to reveal in Finder, Finder > brings me to Disk A. > > I quit iTunes, and reveal song again, still Disk A. > > I repeat the Change location of library setting. > > iTunes doesn't update the library. > > Reveal song is still Disk A. > > When I first did the CHANGE location and after it finished updating > the library, I was asked if I wanted to MOVE the files. > Since all I was doing was POINTING to the new location where the files > existed on Disk B, I clicked NO. > > It took 3 hours to copy (via Finder) my 150G of music from Disk A to > Disk B. > > Should I start over: > delete the Library on Disk A > create a new folder on Disk B to store library > set iTunes prefs to new location on Disk B > then when asked to copy, say YES > > > Or, is there a way I can tell iTunes to use the new location since all > the files are already there? > > I thought just pointing to the new library and updating the XML file > would have done the trick. > > Thanks in advance. > > Kevin > > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-talk mailing list > MacOSX-talk@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-talk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /mailman/archive/macosx-talk/attachments/20071212/469ecac9/attachment.html From kcall at mac.com Wed Dec 12 19:55:31 2007 From: kcall at mac.com (Kevin Callahan) Date: Wed Dec 12 19:55:39 2007 Subject: moving iTunes Library to new location In-Reply-To: References: <57844E09-ED40-4A55-B451-68798F79193E@mac.com> Message-ID: On Dec 12, 2007, at 3:43 PM, Charles J McDonald wrote: > Have you tried holding the option key while loading iTunes? > That lets you open a different iTunes library and you can tell it to > open the new directory. I did that to set my new iPhoto Library .. didn't think to do that in iTunes since I set the new location in the iTunes prefs .... I'm using the Consolidate Library menu option so that I retain all my playlists and such. Thanks, Kevin > > > On Dec 12, 2007 1:02 PM, Kevin Callahan < kcall@mac.com> wrote: > I've done this before, but now it doesn't seem to be working. > > I have my music library on external Disk A. > > Due to space limitation, I copied the library to a new and larger Disk > B. > > Opened my iTunes prefs. > > Set the new location via "CHANGE" button pointing to the library on > Disk B. > > iTunes updated my library. > > I verified the new location in the prefs. > > When I select a tune in my library and ask to reveal in Finder, Finder > brings me to Disk A. > > I quit iTunes, and reveal song again, still Disk A. > > I repeat the Change location of library setting. > > iTunes doesn't update the library. > > Reveal song is still Disk A. > > When I first did the CHANGE location and after it finished updating > the library, I was asked if I wanted to MOVE the files. > Since all I was doing was POINTING to the new location where the files > existed on Disk B, I clicked NO. > > It took 3 hours to copy (via Finder) my 150G of music from Disk A to > Disk B. > > Should I start over: > delete the Library on Disk A > create a new folder on Disk B to store library > set iTunes prefs to new location on Disk B > then when asked to copy, say YES > > > Or, is there a way I can tell iTunes to use the new location since all > the files are already there? > > I thought just pointing to the new library and updating the XML file > would have done the trick. > > Thanks in advance. > > Kevin > > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-talk mailing list > MacOSX-talk@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-talk > http://www.kevincallahan.org/ http://www.kevincallahan.org/software/accessorizer.html http://www.xeniamara.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /mailman/archive/macosx-talk/attachments/20071212/f31d8d86/attachment.html From johnmusbach1 at gmail.com Wed Dec 12 21:53:26 2007 From: johnmusbach1 at gmail.com (John Musbach) Date: Wed Dec 12 21:53:31 2007 Subject: moving iTunes Library to new location In-Reply-To: <57844E09-ED40-4A55-B451-68798F79193E@mac.com> References: <57844E09-ED40-4A55-B451-68798F79193E@mac.com> Message-ID: <17c8e29e0712122153h7b600970lb4d4b1178bd21775@mail.gmail.com> On Dec 12, 2007 10:02 AM, Kevin Callahan wrote: > Or, is there a way I can tell iTunes to use the new location since all > the files are already there? An easier way to have gone about this would've been to simply symlink the folder at the new location to the old location.... -- Best Regards, John Musbach From dbainbridge at gmail.com Thu Dec 13 08:14:52 2007 From: dbainbridge at gmail.com (David Bainbridge) Date: Thu Dec 13 08:15:23 2007 Subject: List of 64 bit Macs? Message-ID: <53F733DD-4EF7-4C4A-8522-E65F7B7ABE1A@gmail.com> Does anyone know of a compiled list of all the Macs that would support 64 bit apps? Are all Macs currently shipping now 64 bit? Were all Intel Macs 64 bit capable or just the higher end ones? From larkost at softhome.net Thu Dec 13 08:24:39 2007 From: larkost at softhome.net (Karl Kuehn) Date: Thu Dec 13 08:25:03 2007 Subject: List of 64 bit Macs? In-Reply-To: <53F733DD-4EF7-4C4A-8522-E65F7B7ABE1A@gmail.com> References: <53F733DD-4EF7-4C4A-8522-E65F7B7ABE1A@gmail.com> Message-ID: <7AE51BA0-0454-4928-97D6-88F50BABA4D3@softhome.net> On Dec 13, 2007, at 11:14 AM, David Bainbridge wrote: > Does anyone know of a compiled list of all the Macs that would > support 64 bit apps? Are all Macs currently shipping now 64 bit? > Were all Intel Macs 64 bit capable or just the higher end ones? All G5's, and all the Intel chips except the first round. Those go by "Yonah" or "Core" (not "Core 2"). So you have to worry about Mac mini's, iMacs, MacBooks, and MacBook Pro. I believe that the MacPro's were all 64bit. At this point everything (including the mini) has gone to Core 2, so the only thing that is left is the AppleTV (should that figure into your equations). However, I think this is a relatively moot point: you can't fit enough memory into the majority of those computer to make them good candidates for running applications that require 64bit address spaces anyways. -- Karl Kuehn larkost@softhome.net From charles.dyer at gmail.com Thu Dec 13 08:28:20 2007 From: charles.dyer at gmail.com (Charles Dyer) Date: Thu Dec 13 08:28:30 2007 Subject: List of 64 bit Macs? In-Reply-To: <53F733DD-4EF7-4C4A-8522-E65F7B7ABE1A@gmail.com> References: <53F733DD-4EF7-4C4A-8522-E65F7B7ABE1A@gmail.com> Message-ID: On 13 Dec 2007, at 11:14:52, David Bainbridge wrote: > Does anyone know of a compiled list of all the Macs that would > support 64 bit apps? That would be all Macs with G5, Intel Core 2 Duo, or Xeon CPUs. See MacTracker for the complete list. > Are all Macs currently shipping now 64 bit? Yes. > Were all Intel Macs 64 bit capable No. > or just the higher end ones? The first Intel iMacs and Mac minis shipped with either Intel Core Duos or Core Solos, which were 32-bit. Anything which shipped with Core 2 Duos or Xeons is 64-bit. The last Mac line to go 64 bit would be the Mac minis, which only got Core 2 Duos this year some time. From dbainbridge at gmail.com Thu Dec 13 08:53:55 2007 From: dbainbridge at gmail.com (David Bainbridge) Date: Thu Dec 13 08:54:00 2007 Subject: List of 64 bit Macs? In-Reply-To: <7AE51BA0-0454-4928-97D6-88F50BABA4D3@softhome.net> References: <53F733DD-4EF7-4C4A-8522-E65F7B7ABE1A@gmail.com> <7AE51BA0-0454-4928-97D6-88F50BABA4D3@softhome.net> Message-ID: <3A001505-0CB6-4EEB-A7D3-A938C7CCA7CC@gmail.com> On Dec 13, 2007, at 10:24 AM, Karl Kuehn wrote: > > > However, I think this is a relatively moot point: you can't fit > enough memory into the majority of those computer to make them good > candidates for running applications that require 64bit address > spaces anyways. The issue has less to do with memory and more to do with development plans and technologies available. There already is features available in objective-c that are only available if you compile for 64 bit. Apple has also stated that the Carbon framework will not be converted to 64 bit. From michaelacrawford at mac.com Thu Dec 13 09:09:59 2007 From: michaelacrawford at mac.com (Michael A. Crawford) Date: Thu Dec 13 09:10:10 2007 Subject: moving iTunes Library to new location In-Reply-To: <17c8e29e0712122153h7b600970lb4d4b1178bd21775@mail.gmail.com> References: <57844E09-ED40-4A55-B451-68798F79193E@mac.com> <17c8e29e0712122153h7b600970lb4d4b1178bd21775@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49DF8134-C1E7-4884-95DC-CAA41C45FE72@mac.com> That's what I did. I didn't even think about telling the iLife apps that their data had moved to an external disk. The symlink was easy and works well. Tell me, is there any advantage to reconfiguring the iLife apps to us the external disk directly over using a symlink? Are there any disadvantages? -Michael On Dec 12, 2007, at 9:53 PM, John Musbach wrote: > On Dec 12, 2007 10:02 AM, Kevin Callahan wrote: >> Or, is there a way I can tell iTunes to use the new location since >> all >> the files are already there? > > An easier way to have gone about this would've been to simply symlink > the folder at the new location to the old location.... > > > > -- > Best Regards, > > John Musbach > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-talk mailing list > MacOSX-talk@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-talk From shawnce at gmail.com Thu Dec 13 11:36:19 2007 From: shawnce at gmail.com (Shawn Erickson) Date: Thu Dec 13 11:36:27 2007 Subject: moving iTunes Library to new location In-Reply-To: <49DF8134-C1E7-4884-95DC-CAA41C45FE72@mac.com> References: <57844E09-ED40-4A55-B451-68798F79193E@mac.com> <17c8e29e0712122153h7b600970lb4d4b1178bd21775@mail.gmail.com> <49DF8134-C1E7-4884-95DC-CAA41C45FE72@mac.com> Message-ID: On Dec 13, 2007 9:09 AM, Michael A. Crawford wrote: > That's what I did. I didn't even think about telling the iLife apps > that their data had moved to an external disk. The symlink was easy > and works well. Tell me, is there any advantage to reconfiguring the > iLife apps to us the external disk directly over using a symlink? Are > there any disadvantages? If the external device doesn't mount then the symlink points at a directory with nothing mounted under it. The application would then process to drop data in a place other then you expect, etc. symlinks across device should be used with care and often only done temporarily... -Shawn From kcall at mac.com Thu Dec 13 15:01:30 2007 From: kcall at mac.com (Kevin Callahan) Date: Thu Dec 13 15:01:38 2007 Subject: Mail reply-to, redirects and forwarding ... Message-ID: <7076A505-7D69-4286-85CD-2F14C10165B6@mac.com> My BIL's wife has an iPhone and runs a small business. She has about 8 email addresses relating to a couple of domains. They recently bought a new MBPro and .Mac hoping a redirect of those emails to their .Mac account (while employing the junk filtering) would help reduce the amount of spam that shows up, not only on their Mac, but on the iPhone. I told them to keep Mail running on their MBPro. They question they have is about replying with an address that had its mail redirected/forwarded to their .Mac address. If they redirect/forward email sent to Address A to their .Mac account, can they REPLY with Address A ? Thus far, they say if an email shows up in their .Mac, they don't have an option to set a rule whereby email forwarded from a certain address will use that address when they hit REPLY. is there a way to do that? They can set up email accounts for each of those domain email addresses, but I think the junk filtering at the server level, as opposed to at the Mail client level, is what they're looking for. In fact, is mail that is forward to a .Mac account filtered for junk at the server level first? Thanks in advance, Kevin From johnmusbach1 at gmail.com Thu Dec 13 16:01:30 2007 From: johnmusbach1 at gmail.com (John Musbach) Date: Thu Dec 13 16:01:34 2007 Subject: List of 64 bit Macs? In-Reply-To: <53F733DD-4EF7-4C4A-8522-E65F7B7ABE1A@gmail.com> References: <53F733DD-4EF7-4C4A-8522-E65F7B7ABE1A@gmail.com> Message-ID: <17c8e29e0712131601m48a0454eo91851fee985ced8f@mail.gmail.com> On Dec 13, 2007 8:14 AM, David Bainbridge wrote: > Does anyone know of a compiled list of all the Macs that would support > 64 bit apps? Are all Macs currently shipping now 64 bit? Were all > Intel Macs 64 bit capable or just the higher end ones? Any core 2 duo and up mac is 64bit capable -- Best Regards, John Musbach From kremels at kreme.com Fri Dec 14 01:58:19 2007 From: kremels at kreme.com (LuKreme) Date: Fri Dec 14 01:58:22 2007 Subject: Mail reply-to, redirects and forwarding ... In-Reply-To: <7076A505-7D69-4286-85CD-2F14C10165B6@mac.com> References: <7076A505-7D69-4286-85CD-2F14C10165B6@mac.com> Message-ID: <0186BE7B-19B2-4DBF-BBC0-7389DE7D11BD@kreme.com> On 13-Dec-2007, at 16:01, Kevin Callahan wrote: > If they redirect/forward email sent to Address A to their .Mac > account, can they REPLY with Address A ? Yes.<1> > Thus far, they say if an email shows up in their .Mac, they don't > have an option to set a rule whereby email forwarded from a certain > address will use that address when they hit REPLY. Well, that's true. You can but as many email addresses as you want in Preferences => Accounts => 'Email Address:', just put a comma between them. When you hit reply, it will reply from the FIRST address listed in that field, but you will have a drop down on the "From:" header allowing you to choose any address you have in any account. There's no way I know of to do it automagically, so you have to select the dropdown each time you want to change who the reply is from. This is how I post with 'plus' addresses to some lists. <1> That is to say, they can as far as Mail.app is concerned. I don't know what Mac.com's SMTP server is setup to do. It may object to email from 'georgesucks@whitehouse4sale.tld' being sent through it's servers. I know that gmail allows outbound emails form addresses other than the validated gmail address. -- May you live in interesting times From cjacobs at mac.com Fri Dec 14 10:27:55 2007 From: cjacobs at mac.com (Charles Jacobs) Date: Fri Dec 14 10:28:02 2007 Subject: Mail reply-to, redirects and forwarding ... In-Reply-To: <0186BE7B-19B2-4DBF-BBC0-7389DE7D11BD@kreme.com> References: <7076A505-7D69-4286-85CD-2F14C10165B6@mac.com> <0186BE7B-19B2-4DBF-BBC0-7389DE7D11BD@kreme.com> Message-ID: <26C52595-1D99-4CFD-9279-B64B64050ED2@mac.com> On Dec 14, 2007, at 1:58 AM, LuKreme wrote: > On 13-Dec-2007, at 16:01, Kevin Callahan wrote: >> If they redirect/forward email sent to Address A to their .Mac >> account, can they REPLY with Address A ? > > Yes.<1> > >> Thus far, they say if an email shows up in their .Mac, they don't >> have an option to set a rule whereby email forwarded from a certain >> address will use that address when they hit REPLY. > > Well, that's true. > > You can but as many email addresses as you want in Preferences => > Accounts => 'Email Address:', just put a comma between them. > > When you hit reply, it will reply from the FIRST address listed in > that field, but you will have a drop down on the "From:" header > allowing you to choose any address you have in any account. There's an annoying wrinkle if you have more than one account set up in Mail and you receive a message addressed to 2 or more of them. If you reply to such a message, your reply will be from an email address associated with whichever account occurs first in the original message's To field, regardless of which inbox you're viewing. So, when people send mail to my fiance and I, and I reply to it, half the time I accidentally reply as her. Even though I'm viewing the copy of the message that's in my inbox. Hilarity ensues. --chuck From kremels at kreme.com Fri Dec 14 18:06:38 2007 From: kremels at kreme.com (LuKreme) Date: Fri Dec 14 18:06:41 2007 Subject: Mail reply-to, redirects and forwarding ... In-Reply-To: <26C52595-1D99-4CFD-9279-B64B64050ED2@mac.com> References: <7076A505-7D69-4286-85CD-2F14C10165B6@mac.com> <0186BE7B-19B2-4DBF-BBC0-7389DE7D11BD@kreme.com> <26C52595-1D99-4CFD-9279-B64B64050ED2@mac.com> Message-ID: <71EAFC57-BCEE-47C1-8111-EE995737A11C@kreme.com> On 14-Dec-2007, at 11:27, Charles Jacobs wrote: > So, when people send mail to my fiance and I, and I reply to it, > half the time I accidentally reply as her. Even though I'm viewing > the copy of the message that's in my inbox. Hilarity ensues. That's why you put your fianc?'s email in her mail.app under her user name ;) -- Don't congratulate yourself too much, or berate yourself either. Your choices are half chance; so are everybody else's. From michaelacrawford at mac.com Fri Dec 14 23:49:32 2007 From: michaelacrawford at mac.com (Michael A. Crawford) Date: Fri Dec 14 23:50:16 2007 Subject: moving iTunes Library to new location In-Reply-To: References: <57844E09-ED40-4A55-B451-68798F79193E@mac.com> <17c8e29e0712122153h7b600970lb4d4b1178bd21775@mail.gmail.com> <49DF8134-C1E7-4884-95DC-CAA41C45FE72@mac.com> Message-ID: <9EBD79E4-F9C6-463F-8799-F4A505517700@mac.com> Well I guess Apple is on the ball, then. Both iTunes and iPhoto display a dialog stating that they cannot find their respective directories. I then press the power button on my external LaCie drive and restart the application(s). All is well. For applications that do not perform this kind of sanity check, your point is well taken. -Michael On Dec 13, 2007, at 11:36 AM, Shawn Erickson wrote: > On Dec 13, 2007 9:09 AM, Michael A. Crawford > wrote: >> That's what I did. I didn't even think about telling the iLife apps >> that their data had moved to an external disk. The symlink was easy >> and works well. Tell me, is there any advantage to reconfiguring the >> iLife apps to us the external disk directly over using a symlink? >> Are >> there any disadvantages? > > If the external device doesn't mount then the symlink points at a > directory with nothing mounted under it. The application would then > process to drop data in a place other then you expect, etc. > > symlinks across device should be used with care and often only done > temporarily... > > -Shawn > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-talk mailing list > MacOSX-talk@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-talk From psarge at gmail.com Sat Dec 15 03:50:41 2007 From: psarge at gmail.com (Paul Sargent) Date: Sat Dec 15 03:50:49 2007 Subject: Mail reply-to, redirects and forwarding ... In-Reply-To: <71EAFC57-BCEE-47C1-8111-EE995737A11C@kreme.com> References: <7076A505-7D69-4286-85CD-2F14C10165B6@mac.com> <0186BE7B-19B2-4DBF-BBC0-7389DE7D11BD@kreme.com> <26C52595-1D99-4CFD-9279-B64B64050ED2@mac.com> <71EAFC57-BCEE-47C1-8111-EE995737A11C@kreme.com> Message-ID: On 15 Dec 2007, at 02:06, LuKreme wrote: > On 14-Dec-2007, at 11:27, Charles Jacobs wrote: >> So, when people send mail to my fiance and I, and I reply to it, >> half the time I accidentally reply as her. Even though I'm viewing >> the copy of the message that's in my inbox. Hilarity ensues. > > > That's why you put your fianc?'s email in her mail.app under her > user name ;) They can't do that. That would mean they were acting like two separate people. Then they couldn't pull of the whole "What do you mean it's our round? *We* just bought *one*." trick. It would just be hypocritical. From list-omnigroup at fsck.net Sat Dec 15 05:25:38 2007 From: list-omnigroup at fsck.net (Eugene) Date: Sat Dec 15 05:25:43 2007 Subject: Mail reply-to, redirects and forwarding ... In-Reply-To: <0186BE7B-19B2-4DBF-BBC0-7389DE7D11BD@kreme.com> References: <7076A505-7D69-4286-85CD-2F14C10165B6@mac.com> <0186BE7B-19B2-4DBF-BBC0-7389DE7D11BD@kreme.com> Message-ID: <20071215132538.GA319@Macintosh.local> On Fri, Dec 14, 2007 at 03:58:19AM CST, LuKreme wrote: > > On 13-Dec-2007, at 16:01, Kevin Callahan wrote: >> >> If they redirect/forward email sent to Address A to their .Mac account, >> can they REPLY with Address A ? > > Yes.<1> > >> Thus far, they say if an email shows up in their .Mac, they don't have an >> option to set a rule whereby email forwarded from a certain address will >> use that address when they hit REPLY. > > Well, that's true. This is the main reason I've been using Mutt since '99. -- Eugene http://www.coxar.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/ From andrew.brown at c18.net Sat Dec 15 06:16:23 2007 From: andrew.brown at c18.net (Andrew Brown) Date: Sat Dec 15 06:16:33 2007 Subject: iView Media Pro Message-ID: A photographer recommended iView to me warmly this morning, and I recall having been impressed when I tried it out a few years ago... so I went to the iView site to read that "iView was acquired by Microsoft in June 2006". It is now Expression Media. Has anyone tried it? what ms-free alternatives are there? AB From rblove_lists at comcast.net Sat Dec 15 07:24:40 2007 From: rblove_lists at comcast.net (Robert Love) Date: Sat Dec 15 07:24:46 2007 Subject: iView Media Pro In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3E94578E-0966-4893-9A91-EAA4ACAB735D@comcast.net> On Dec 15, 2007, at 8:16 AM, Andrew Brown wrote: > > Has anyone tried it? what ms-free alternatives are there? 1) iPhoto has got to be at the list of candidates for managing photos. Why is that not good enough. What are you trying to do? 2) QPict is another well known Mac photo & video catalog program. It's very reasonable in price and features. 3) Shoebox. Here is one I use but don't recommend. I really like the heirarchical keyword system it has for categorizing photos but iPhoto does some of that now. Pros: Uses two monitors well, if your system has them, reasonable price, keyword system. Cons: Can't do a simple slide show correctly, doesn't work well with Spotlight comments. The author has been unresponsive to complaints about these flaws though he did release a Leopard compatible version. 4) Lightbox - "Personal Image Management for Mac" no knowledge. Anybody use this? Opinions? 5) Extensis - Digital Asset Managment, which means expensive because it's "professional" 6) Lightroom - Adobe's photo manager has some nice features, mid priced, more that just catalog. 7) Aperature - Again, more that a catalog, higher priced. What other products are there? What do most folks use? From kcall at mac.com Sat Dec 15 10:36:33 2007 From: kcall at mac.com (Kevin Callahan) Date: Sat Dec 15 10:36:36 2007 Subject: Is it no long running ? Message-ID: <206CCDC0-0B98-437C-B3DD-C3D27FBFE985@mac.com> is the EYE p h neo talk list defunct ? From johnmusbach1 at gmail.com Sat Dec 15 16:01:10 2007 From: johnmusbach1 at gmail.com (John Musbach) Date: Sat Dec 15 16:01:14 2007 Subject: Is it no long running ? In-Reply-To: <206CCDC0-0B98-437C-B3DD-C3D27FBFE985@mac.com> References: <206CCDC0-0B98-437C-B3DD-C3D27FBFE985@mac.com> Message-ID: <17c8e29e0712151601u6ef72c6bwfdc1112f3b8bf129@mail.gmail.com> On Dec 15, 2007 10:36 AM, Kevin Callahan wrote: > is the EYE p h neo talk list defunct ? I don't think so, but you might want to check that your spell checker isn't defunct -- Best Regards, John Musbach From kcall at mac.com Sat Dec 15 16:08:05 2007 From: kcall at mac.com (Kevin Callahan) Date: Sat Dec 15 16:08:10 2007 Subject: Is it no longer running ? In-Reply-To: <17c8e29e0712151601u6ef72c6bwfdc1112f3b8bf129@mail.gmail.com> References: <206CCDC0-0B98-437C-B3DD-C3D27FBFE985@mac.com> <17c8e29e0712151601u6ef72c6bwfdc1112f3b8bf129@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8D1034E4-FDA8-41E4-B9EA-2BB0DB69BF85@mac.com> On Dec 15, 2007, at 4:01 PM, John Musbach wrote: > On Dec 15, 2007 10:36 AM, Kevin Callahan wrote: >> is the EYE p h neo talk list defunct ? > > I don't think so, but you might want to check that your spell checker > isn't defunct :-) If I spell it correctly, the talk list bounces my post K > > > > > -- > Best Regards, > > John Musbach > _______________________________________________ From kcall at mac.com Sat Dec 15 18:05:28 2007 From: kcall at mac.com (Kevin Callahan) Date: Sat Dec 15 18:05:34 2007 Subject: Mail reply-to, redirects and forwarding ... In-Reply-To: <20071215132538.GA319@Macintosh.local> References: <7076A505-7D69-4286-85CD-2F14C10165B6@mac.com> <0186BE7B-19B2-4DBF-BBC0-7389DE7D11BD@kreme.com> <20071215132538.GA319@Macintosh.local> Message-ID: <6CC21928-0551-45A5-A163-C3F6EE4EC56C@mac.com> On Dec 15, 2007, at 5:25 AM, Eugene wrote: > On Fri, Dec 14, 2007 at 03:58:19AM CST, LuKreme > wrote: >> >> On 13-Dec-2007, at 16:01, Kevin Callahan wrote: >>> >>> If they redirect/forward email sent to Address A to their .Mac >>> account, >>> can they REPLY with Address A ? >> >> Yes.<1> >> >>> Thus far, they say if an email shows up in their .Mac, they don't >>> have an >>> option to set a rule whereby email forwarded from a certain >>> address will >>> use that address when they hit REPLY. >> >> Well, that's true. > > This is the main reason I've been using Mutt since '99. ah! http://www.mutt.org/ ? ability to specify alternate addresses for recognition of mail forwarded from other accounts, with ability to set the From: headers on replies/etc. accordingly From johnmusbach1 at gmail.com Sat Dec 15 19:52:48 2007 From: johnmusbach1 at gmail.com (John Musbach) Date: Sat Dec 15 19:52:50 2007 Subject: Mail reply-to, redirects and forwarding ... In-Reply-To: <7076A505-7D69-4286-85CD-2F14C10165B6@mac.com> References: <7076A505-7D69-4286-85CD-2F14C10165B6@mac.com> Message-ID: <17c8e29e0712151952r45c1b82dlf026b0e2208e3ae7@mail.gmail.com> On Dec 13, 2007 3:01 PM, Kevin Callahan wrote: > If they redirect/forward email sent to Address A to their .Mac > account, can they REPLY with Address A ? Yes if you go to Preferences>Accounts>Email Address in Apple Mail however the .mac smtp server may be configured to reject relaying of email addresses that are not .mac email addresses to prevent being abused as a spam relay. I don't know of many services that do allow doing this although Gmail is one of those services that does permit doing this and even provides a easy interface for configuring such a setup (Yahoo! mail also allows you to configure this). -- Best Regards, John Musbach From cjacobs at mac.com Sun Dec 16 15:18:46 2007 From: cjacobs at mac.com (Charles Jacobs) Date: Sun Dec 16 15:18:54 2007 Subject: Mail reply-to, redirects and forwarding ... In-Reply-To: <71EAFC57-BCEE-47C1-8111-EE995737A11C@kreme.com> References: <7076A505-7D69-4286-85CD-2F14C10165B6@mac.com> <0186BE7B-19B2-4DBF-BBC0-7389DE7D11BD@kreme.com> <26C52595-1D99-4CFD-9279-B64B64050ED2@mac.com> <71EAFC57-BCEE-47C1-8111-EE995737A11C@kreme.com> Message-ID: <3C2EB042-50CF-429B-8148-2D8A92F1CB84@mac.com> On Dec 14, 2007, at 6:06 PM, LuKreme wrote: > On 14-Dec-2007, at 11:27, Charles Jacobs wrote: >> So, when people send mail to my fiance and I, and I reply to it, >> half the time I accidentally reply as her. Even though I'm viewing >> the copy of the message that's in my inbox. Hilarity ensues. > > > That's why you put your fianc?'s email in her mail.app under her > user name ;) Yep, that would work, but it's such a pain! I wish there was a way to set 2 accounts to be "co-accessable" or something, so that you could fast user switch between them w/out having to type your password. From kcall at mac.com Sun Dec 16 16:57:07 2007 From: kcall at mac.com (Kevin Callahan) Date: Sun Dec 16 16:57:11 2007 Subject: moved TM drive from local machine to another machine on network, TM creates brand new archive for same machine Message-ID: I moved my TM backup drive from my MBPro to an iMac on the same network. I launched TM and told it to use the remote drive (mounted via sharing off iMac). TM is now creating an entirely new backup file. Is there a way to point to the existing backup? I don't see any prefs allowing me to point to the archive I'd like to continue using. Kevin From cjacobs at mac.com Sun Dec 16 19:52:13 2007 From: cjacobs at mac.com (Charles Jacobs) Date: Sun Dec 16 19:52:21 2007 Subject: Mail reply-to, redirects and forwarding ... In-Reply-To: <3C2EB042-50CF-429B-8148-2D8A92F1CB84@mac.com> References: <7076A505-7D69-4286-85CD-2F14C10165B6@mac.com> <0186BE7B-19B2-4DBF-BBC0-7389DE7D11BD@kreme.com> <26C52595-1D99-4CFD-9279-B64B64050ED2@mac.com> <71EAFC57-BCEE-47C1-8111-EE995737A11C@kreme.com> <3C2EB042-50CF-429B-8148-2D8A92F1CB84@mac.com> Message-ID: <785667CC-F306-49ED-B9D7-30C32AA5BAEB@mac.com> > On Dec 14, 2007, at 6:06 PM, LuKreme wrote: >> On 14-Dec-2007, at 11:27, Charles Jacobs wrote: >>> So, when people send mail to my fiance and I, and I reply to it, >>> half the time I accidentally reply as her. Even though I'm viewing >>> the copy of the message that's in my inbox. Hilarity ensues. >> >> >> That's why you put your fianc?'s email in her mail.app under her >> user name ;) > > Yep, that would work, but it's such a pain! I wish there was a way > to set 2 accounts to be "co-accessable" or something, so that you > could fast user switch between them w/out having to type your > password. Zany! Mail.app also seems to utterly fail at reply-alling if you have 2 .mac accounts set up. If you receive a message addressed to both accounts and reply-all, it will _not_ send the reply to the address of the account you aren't replying from. So in addition to accidentally replying _from_ the wrong person, we're also often inadvertently not including the other person when we're reply-alling. (I would be unsurprised to find that both of these bugs are related. It makes me wonder if there wasn't originally some braindead halfway- implemented idea that Mail.app would only keep 1 copy of a message addressed to multiple accounts on the same machine, so that the combined inbox wouldn't have duplicate messages.) --chuck From johnmusbach1 at gmail.com Sun Dec 16 21:24:35 2007 From: johnmusbach1 at gmail.com (John Musbach) Date: Sun Dec 16 21:24:38 2007 Subject: Frustrated Message-ID: <17c8e29e0712162124s7c54e641le697b517f1060330@mail.gmail.com> I'm frustrated and not sure what to do. Another John made post #3 in this thread (with the OP being #1): http://groups.google.com/group/unsupported-os-x/browse_thread/thread/1f16127bdc9ea0ee which resulted in Dan replying in post #10 that John has been moderated. Well apparently that John was not only moderated but banned from that list and they seem to have somehow thought that I was a alias belonging to that John, but I don't even use alltel (*shudders*...I'm a Comcast customer). I'm not sure how they came to the conclusion that I was a alias of that other John but they must've not done a very thorough investigation as my writing style is completely different! Now none of the moderators will answer my plea when I try to email them directly, even a moderator who I've conducted a transaction with is ignoring my request for a explanation for my limitation of participation on lowendmac lists even though right after I asked for clarification on this issue the moderator replied back confirming the date of shipment! Clearly the moderators are ignoring me in the vain belief that I did something I did not do, I am at a loss as to what I can do to regain my identity. Can anyone help me break free of this madness? I've never bashed any of the moderators and fully support their decisions, my posts have only been ones meant to help other fellow mac users and now they've confused me with someone else! How can this be? HELP!!! -- Best Regards, John Musbach From charles.dyer at gmail.com Sun Dec 16 21:35:44 2007 From: charles.dyer at gmail.com (Charles Dyer) Date: Sun Dec 16 21:35:48 2007 Subject: Frustrated In-Reply-To: <17c8e29e0712162124s7c54e641le697b517f1060330@mail.gmail.com> References: <17c8e29e0712162124s7c54e641le697b517f1060330@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: You're fried. It's their list. It's their rules. If they decide to be unreasonable, there is _nothing_ that you or anyone else can do about it. It would appear that they made an error. It seems that that they're not about to admit making an error. You're gone, man, unless you can get one of the listmoms to face facts. Which, on the evidence supplied, seems unlikely. On 17 Dec 2007, at 00:24:35, John Musbach wrote: > I'm frustrated and not sure what to do. Another John made post #3 in > this thread (with the OP being #1): > http://groups.google.com/group/unsupported-os-x/browse_thread/thread/1f16127bdc9ea0ee > which resulted in Dan replying in post #10 that John has been > moderated. Well apparently that John was not only moderated but banned > from that list and they seem to have somehow thought that I was a > alias belonging to that John, but I don't even use alltel > (*shudders*...I'm a Comcast customer). I'm not sure how they came to > the conclusion that I was a alias of that other John but they must've > not done a very thorough investigation as my writing style is > completely different! Now none of the moderators will answer my plea > when I try to email them directly, even a moderator who I've conducted > a transaction with is ignoring my request for a explanation for my > limitation of participation on lowendmac lists even though right after > I asked for clarification on this issue the moderator replied back > confirming the date of shipment! Clearly the moderators are ignoring > me in the vain belief that I did something I did not do, I am at a > loss as to what I can do to regain my identity. Can anyone help me > break free of this madness? I've never bashed any of the moderators > and fully support their decisions, my posts have only been ones meant > to help other fellow mac users and now they've confused me with > someone else! How can this be? HELP!!! > > > > -- > Best Regards, > > John Musbach > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-talk mailing list > MacOSX-talk@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-talk From johnmusbach1 at gmail.com Sun Dec 16 21:41:12 2007 From: johnmusbach1 at gmail.com (John Musbach) Date: Sun Dec 16 21:41:19 2007 Subject: Frustrated In-Reply-To: References: <17c8e29e0712162124s7c54e641le697b517f1060330@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <17c8e29e0712162141v26c76f13je022200559acf8f0@mail.gmail.com> On Dec 16, 2007 9:35 PM, Charles Dyer wrote: > You're fried. > > It's their list. It's their rules. If they decide to be unreasonable, > there is _nothing_ that you or anyone else can do about it. It would > appear that they made an error. It seems that that they're not about > to admit making an error. You're gone, man, unless you can get one of > the listmoms to face facts. Which, on the evidence supplied, seems > unlikely. Yes this is what I've come to realize too, I think I will have to stop posting on lem lists and move to linux lists instead. It's a shame that these moderators won't give my words a chance and instead are pushing away another helpful member.... I was one of the more advanced people helping out on the lists and yet they've made a error and are deciding to stick with it. I'm still fully willing to return to the list at any time should one of the moderators decide to listen to me but until then I guess it's time to say good bye to lem lists and move on.... -- Best Regards, John Musbach From steve at paper-ape.com Sun Dec 16 23:35:40 2007 From: steve at paper-ape.com (steve harley) Date: Sun Dec 16 23:35:47 2007 Subject: iView Media Pro In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <476626CC.7030409@paper-ape.com> they whom i call Andrew Brown wrote: > A photographer recommended iView to me warmly this morning, and I recall > having been impressed when I tried it out a few years ago... so I went > to the iView site to read that "iView was acquired by Microsoft in June > 2006". It is now Expression Media. i still use an older, pre-Microsoft version (2.6.4), but i believe Microsoft has kept the features i describe below intact in the process of assimilating it; i haven't tried the Expression Media trial because there is no upgrade path from iVMP 2.x compared to iPhoto, iVMP has a much wider set of tools for tagging and managing information about image files; it also has strong AppleScript and a free cross-platform "viewer" application; it is not at all intended for manipulating photos; it's competition are the (somewhat higher-end) media catalogs like Extensis Porfolio and Canto Cumulus; Lightroom and Aperture seem to emphasize image manipulation enough that i'd place them in a different category i took a chance on iView to build a detailed catalog of my father's photography; it paid off; i stored print size, date, condition, location, subject information, print and image serial numbers and numerous keywords for a few thousand prints; iVMP let me do compound boolean searches and complex sorting on any of these properties; then when i needed to treat this info relationally, i used AppleScript to move the iVMP information into a FileMaker database, and from FileMaker i could use AppleScript to display a selected set of images back in iView i also produced a variety of "contact sheets" using iVMP's quirky print interface; finally i shared the catalog with my dad's dealer and another associate, one on Mac, the other on Windows by burning a DVD with the catalog, the image files, and installers for the catalog viewer i don't think i could have easily done all of this with iPhoto; it stores less info about each file, doesn't search nor sort as capably, and has a weaker AppleScript implementation and no cross-platform viewer; otoh, iPhoto costs less, has a much cleaner interface, and it has a lot of integration and convenience features aimed at casual photographers; besides the technical project described above, i have used iVMP for three years to store my personal snappies; i'm now trying out iPhoto and it has me really on the fence with the dilemma Apple consumer apps often give me: does the convenience outweigh the loss of control? From neil at laubenthal.net Mon Dec 17 03:39:26 2007 From: neil at laubenthal.net (Neil Laubenthal) Date: Mon Dec 17 03:39:37 2007 Subject: moved TM drive from local machine to another machine on network, TM creates brand new archive for same machine In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Dec 16, 2007, at 19:57, Kevin Callahan wrote: > I moved my TM backup drive from my MBPro to an iMac on the same > network. I launched TM and told it to use the remote drive (mounted > via sharing off iMac). > TM is now creating an entirely new backup file. Is there a way to > point to the existing backup? I don't see any prefs allowing me to > point to the archive I'd like to continue using. Nope . . . a network backup uses a .dmg file (actually a sparse image bundle composed of a whole bunch of .dmg files) instead of a normal file/folders structure. From psarge at gmail.com Mon Dec 17 07:32:50 2007 From: psarge at gmail.com (Paul Sargent) Date: Mon Dec 17 07:32:54 2007 Subject: Mail reply-to, redirects and forwarding ... In-Reply-To: <785667CC-F306-49ED-B9D7-30C32AA5BAEB@mac.com> References: <7076A505-7D69-4286-85CD-2F14C10165B6@mac.com> <0186BE7B-19B2-4DBF-BBC0-7389DE7D11BD@kreme.com> <26C52595-1D99-4CFD-9279-B64B64050ED2@mac.com> <71EAFC57-BCEE-47C1-8111-EE995737A11C@kreme.com> <3C2EB042-50CF-429B-8148-2D8A92F1CB84@mac.com> <785667CC-F306-49ED-B9D7-30C32AA5BAEB@mac.com> Message-ID: <68aed4c30712170732p35a800d7n9dac8de0060ac40a@mail.gmail.com> On Dec 17, 2007 3:52 AM, Charles Jacobs wrote: > > Zany! Mail.app also seems to utterly fail at reply-alling if you have > 2 .mac accounts set up. If you receive a message addressed to both > accounts and reply-all, it will _not_ send the reply to the address of > the account you aren't replying from. So in addition to accidentally > replying _from_ the wrong person, we're also often inadvertently not > including the other person when we're reply-alling. > Mail must be doing that on purpose because it's actually making a decision to remove an address from the list. If you think about the case when this set-up is being used by one person, but with two accounts, it makes sense. * Somebody e-mails you at all your addresses. They don't know which one you check, so they spam all of them. * You receive multiple copies. * You respond. The from address is set to your main address, any other addresses that it knows will result in duplicates are removed. * People reply to you, and you get one copy of each mail to your main account. The "problem" is that Mail is assuming that one user account = one user. That's by design. Thunderbird may deal with your situation better as it's often used on Windows machines where this one-user-for-everyone set-up is far more common. It's quite a change from Mail.app though. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /mailman/archive/macosx-talk/attachments/20071217/32dfb571/attachment.html From cjacobs at mac.com Mon Dec 17 11:33:56 2007 From: cjacobs at mac.com (Charles Jacobs) Date: Mon Dec 17 17:36:55 2007 Subject: Mail reply-to, redirects and forwarding ... In-Reply-To: <68aed4c30712170732p35a800d7n9dac8de0060ac40a@mail.gmail.com> References: <7076A505-7D69-4286-85CD-2F14C10165B6@mac.com> <0186BE7B-19B2-4DBF-BBC0-7389DE7D11BD@kreme.com> <26C52595-1D99-4CFD-9279-B64B64050ED2@mac.com> <71EAFC57-BCEE-47C1-8111-EE995737A11C@kreme.com> <3C2EB042-50CF-429B-8148-2D8A92F1CB84@mac.com> <785667CC-F306-49ED-B9D7-30C32AA5BAEB@mac.com> <68aed4c30712170732p35a800d7n9dac8de0060ac40a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4C3A6E61-D8A7-415E-B55E-9A10D9203528@mac.com> On Dec 17, 2007, at 7:32 AM, Paul Sargent wrote: > > On Dec 17, 2007 3:52 AM, Charles Jacobs wrote: > > Zany! Mail.app also seems to utterly fail at reply-alling if you have > 2 .mac accounts set up. If you receive a message addressed to both > accounts and reply-all, it will _not_ send the reply to the address of > the account you aren't replying from. So in addition to accidentally > replying _from_ the wrong person, we're also often inadvertently not > including the other person when we're reply-alling. > > Mail must be doing that on purpose because it's actually making a > decision to remove an address from the list. > > If you think about the case when this set-up is being used by one > person, but with two accounts, it makes sense. I'd still call it a bug. If I email something to me@work and me@home, I've done that on purpose and will want both of 'me' included on the chain of replies... > * Somebody e-mails you at all your addresses. They don't know which > one you check, so they spam all of them. > * You receive multiple copies. > * You respond. The from address is set to your main address, any > other addresses that it knows will result in duplicates are removed. No, actually the from address is set to whichever one my unsure friend happened to put first in the To field > * People reply to you, and you get one copy of each mail to your > main account. No, now the whole email exchange continues on one account, 50% likely to be an inconvenient one. > The "problem" is that Mail is assuming that one user account = one > user. That's by design. An alternative scenario: * From work, I email a bunch of people and CC myself at home * Various people, including me, reply-all to the thread * When I get home, I find that only part of the email exchange includes my home address, since mail stripped it out when I made my first reply > Thunderbird may deal with your situation better as it's often used > on Windows machines where this one-user-for-everyone set-up is far > more common. It's quite a change from Mail.app though. Thunderbird? Horrors! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /mailman/archive/macosx-talk/attachments/20071217/27413f77/attachment.html From cjacobs at mac.com Mon Dec 17 11:35:48 2007 From: cjacobs at mac.com (Charles Jacobs) Date: Mon Dec 17 17:37:32 2007 Subject: moved TM drive from local machine to another machine on network, TM creates brand new archive for same machine In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I haven't tried it, but here is a way to do that, apparently: http://www.macosxhints.com/article.php?story=20071128055047339 On Dec 16, 2007, at 4:57 PM, Kevin Callahan wrote: > I moved my TM backup drive from my MBPro to an iMac on the same > network. I launched TM and told it to use the remote drive (mounted > via sharing off iMac). > TM is now creating an entirely new backup file. Is there a way to > point to the existing backup? I don't see any prefs allowing me to > point to the archive I'd like to continue using. > > Kevin > > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-talk mailing list > MacOSX-talk@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-talk From kcall at mac.com Mon Dec 17 19:47:57 2007 From: kcall at mac.com (Kevin Callahan) Date: Mon Dec 17 19:54:31 2007 Subject: moved TM drive from local machine to another machine on network, TM creates brand new archive for same machine In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Dec 17, 2007, at 11:35 AM, Charles Jacobs wrote: > I haven't tried it, but here is a way to do that, apparently: > > http://www.macosxhints.com/article.php?story=20071128055047339 thanks .. in my case, it's the very same drive, the same TM archive -- it's just that the drive WAS hanging off my MBPro, now it's shared off an iMac. The only change is the mount. Kevin > > > On Dec 16, 2007, at 4:57 PM, Kevin Callahan wrote: > >> I moved my TM backup drive from my MBPro to an iMac on the same >> network. I launched TM and told it to use the remote drive >> (mounted via sharing off iMac). >> TM is now creating an entirely new backup file. Is there a way to >> point to the existing backup? I don't see any prefs allowing me to >> point to the archive I'd like to continue using. >> >> Kevin >> >> _______________________________________________ >> MacOSX-talk mailing list >> MacOSX-talk@omnigroup.com >> http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-talk > From kremels at kreme.com Mon Dec 17 22:27:11 2007 From: kremels at kreme.com (LuKreme) Date: Mon Dec 17 22:27:14 2007 Subject: moved TM drive from local machine to another machine on network, TM creates brand new archive for same machine In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <62D9FE10-25FD-4A43-A7E0-4656803BE94C@kreme.com> On 17-Dec-2007, at 20:47, Kevin Callahan wrote: > in my case, it's the very same drive, the same TM archive -- it's > just that the drive WAS hanging off my MBPro, now it's shared off an > iMac. Which means it is, for all intents and purposes, a completely different machine to Time Machine. Heck, Time Machine writes a completely different type of backup for networked mounts, as I recall. I mean, let's say I have a machine named 'Macintosh' and I take my TM over to my so I can make a backup of their machine, also named 'Macintosh'. Do I want Time machine to overwrite the existing backup, or create a new one? And if you say that's stupid, I agree. But it's no stupider (considerably less stupid, I'd say) than naming your boot drive "Name with a space" and naming another drive "Name" but evidently that little bug in an itunes update hit a lot of people with that exact type of configuration several years back. -- Three tomatoes are walking down the street- a poppa tomato, a momma tomato, and a little baby tomato. Baby tomato starts lagging behind. Poppa tomato gets angry, goes over to the baby tomato, and smooshes him, "Catch up." From psarge at gmail.com Tue Dec 18 00:38:55 2007 From: psarge at gmail.com (Paul Sargent) Date: Tue Dec 18 00:39:04 2007 Subject: Mail reply-to, redirects and forwarding ... In-Reply-To: <4C3A6E61-D8A7-415E-B55E-9A10D9203528@mac.com> References: <7076A505-7D69-4286-85CD-2F14C10165B6@mac.com> <0186BE7B-19B2-4DBF-BBC0-7389DE7D11BD@kreme.com> <26C52595-1D99-4CFD-9279-B64B64050ED2@mac.com> <71EAFC57-BCEE-47C1-8111-EE995737A11C@kreme.com> <3C2EB042-50CF-429B-8148-2D8A92F1CB84@mac.com> <785667CC-F306-49ED-B9D7-30C32AA5BAEB@mac.com> <68aed4c30712170732p35a800d7n9dac8de0060ac40a@mail.gmail.com> <4C3A6E61-D8A7-415E-B55E-9A10D9203528@mac.com> Message-ID: On 17 Dec 2007, at 19:33, Charles Jacobs wrote: > On Dec 17, 2007, at 7:32 AM, Paul Sargent wrote: >> >> * Somebody e-mails you at all your addresses. They don't know which >> one you check, so they spam all of them. >> * You receive multiple copies. >> * You respond. The from address is set to your main address, any >> other addresses that it knows will result in duplicates are removed. > No, actually the from address is set to whichever one my unsure > friend happened to put first in the To field Ok. I misunderstood. I thought it was the first account in mail. >> Thunderbird may deal with your situation better as it's often used >> on Windows machines where this one-user-for-everyone set-up is far >> more common. It's quite a change from Mail.app though. > > Thunderbird? Horrors! Didn't think that'd be received very well :-) Might be a case of the cure being worse than the disease. From lists at quernstone.com Tue Dec 18 04:25:55 2007 From: lists at quernstone.com (Jonathan Sanderson) Date: Tue Dec 18 04:26:20 2007 Subject: moved TM drive from local machine to another machine on network, TM creates brand new archive for same machine In-Reply-To: <62D9FE10-25FD-4A43-A7E0-4656803BE94C@kreme.com> References: <62D9FE10-25FD-4A43-A7E0-4656803BE94C@kreme.com> Message-ID: <0602293D-DD31-40B5-A4A9-4ECB4ED25BD0@quernstone.com> On 18 Dec 2007, at 06:27, LuKreme wrote: > But it's no stupider (considerably less stupid, I'd say) than naming > your boot drive "Name with a space" and naming another drive "Name" > but evidently that little bug in an itunes update hit a lot of > people with that exact type of configuration several years back. Somewhere there's a support document for Final Cut Pro recommending against naming drives 'Media 1', 'Media 2', 'Media 3' etc. ...which caused more than a fleeting moment of panic on my part, before I realised that mine are 'Media1', 'Media2,' 'Media3', and thus all is well. Gaaah. -- Jonathan Sanderson "If I had more time, I would have written a shorter letter" (Pascal) From neil at laubenthal.net Tue Dec 18 07:07:05 2007 From: neil at laubenthal.net (Neil Laubenthal) Date: Tue Dec 18 07:07:20 2007 Subject: moved TM drive from local machine to another machine on network, TM creates brand new archive for same machine In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3AA8C8BE-932F-49D6-86C0-B8DE8AA13EB9@laubenthal.net> Networked TM destinations use a sparse image bundle. Local TM destinations use standard file/folder structure. You can't move one to the other without starting an entirely new TM set. On Dec 17, 2007, at 22:47, Kevin Callahan wrote: > > On Dec 17, 2007, at 11:35 AM, Charles Jacobs wrote: > >> I haven't tried it, but here is a way to do that, apparently: >> >> http://www.macosxhints.com/article.php?story=20071128055047339 > > thanks .. > in my case, it's the very same drive, the same TM archive -- > it's just that the drive WAS hanging off my MBPro, now it's shared > off an iMac. > > The only change is the mount. > > Kevin > > >> >> >> On Dec 16, 2007, at 4:57 PM, Kevin Callahan wrote: >> >>> I moved my TM backup drive from my MBPro to an iMac on the same >>> network. I launched TM and told it to use the remote drive >>> (mounted via sharing off iMac). >>> TM is now creating an entirely new backup file. Is there a way to >>> point to the existing backup? I don't see any prefs allowing me >>> to point to the archive I'd like to continue using. >>> >>> Kevin >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> MacOSX-talk mailing list >>> MacOSX-talk@omnigroup.com >>> http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-talk >> > > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-talk mailing list > MacOSX-talk@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-talk From robertlaferla at comcast.net Tue Dec 18 20:27:25 2007 From: robertlaferla at comcast.net (Robert La Ferla) Date: Tue Dec 18 20:27:28 2007 Subject: Not so mighty mouse... Message-ID: <479B29B5-0F12-415B-967C-E59E32E24206@comcast.net> I've had it with the Bluetooth Mighty Mouse. First, there was/is the design flaw with "right click" where you have to lift all your fingers up except the one on the right click button for it to work. I have been tortured by this for a while. Then there's the two AA batteries that it drinks like water. But the straw that broke the camel's back was the sporadic left click button that would sometimes not work under Leopard. So, I'm back to my trusty Microsoft wireless laser mouse. It sports better ergonomics, is more responsive, uses less batteries and is less expensive. Apple does many things right but why can't Apple make a decent mouse??? Conversely, Microsoft does many things wrong but makes a decent mouse. Steve Jobs can do better than this.... From johnmusbach1 at gmail.com Tue Dec 18 22:25:32 2007 From: johnmusbach1 at gmail.com (John Musbach) Date: Tue Dec 18 22:25:34 2007 Subject: Not so mighty mouse... In-Reply-To: <479B29B5-0F12-415B-967C-E59E32E24206@comcast.net> References: <479B29B5-0F12-415B-967C-E59E32E24206@comcast.net> Message-ID: <17c8e29e0712182225h3ba9fc25j196a55025bee643d@mail.gmail.com> On Dec 18, 2007 8:27 PM, Robert La Ferla wrote: > Apple does many things right but why can't Apple make a > decent mouse??? Indeed, the mighty mouse is too odd for me as well. I'm perfectly happy with my usb logitech optical mouse m-bj58 which is on 6 years and still going strong... :) -- Best Regards, John Musbach From dez at mac.com Wed Dec 19 01:26:33 2007 From: dez at mac.com (Derek Chesterfield) Date: Wed Dec 19 01:26:39 2007 Subject: Not so mighty mouse... In-Reply-To: <479B29B5-0F12-415B-967C-E59E32E24206@comcast.net> References: <479B29B5-0F12-415B-967C-E59E32E24206@comcast.net> Message-ID: On 19 Dec 2007, at 04:27, Robert La Ferla wrote: > First, there was/is the design flaw with "right click" where you > have to lift all your fingers up except the one on the right click > button for it to work. Yes, it is a little awkward, but I don't find it too much of a problem. > Then there's the two AA batteries that it drinks like water. Mine seem to last long enough - so long, that I'm not even sure how long it is! Probably 4 to 6 months or so. > But the straw that broke the camel's back was the sporadic left > click button that would sometimes not work under Leopard. I've not seen this problem. One small problem I have, is that sometimes on my MBP, the right-click doesn't work, and I have to turn the mouse off/on to fix it. This seems to happen after waking from sleep, and only about once a week or less. > Apple does many things right but why can't Apple make a decent > mouse??? I agree that the right-click is something that could be improved. But despite this issue, I like my mighty mouse. From ehrich at mninter.net Wed Dec 19 04:35:33 2007 From: ehrich at mninter.net (William Ehrich) Date: Wed Dec 19 04:35:44 2007 Subject: Not so mighty mouse... In-Reply-To: <479B29B5-0F12-415B-967C-E59E32E24206@comcast.net> References: <479B29B5-0F12-415B-967C-E59E32E24206@comcast.net> Message-ID: <47691015.5020408@mninter.net> I've only used it at the Apple store. The high resolution scrolling is wonderful! I wish a normal mouse were available with that (with a wheel, not a rubber ball that needs to be cleaned). -- Bill Ehrich From neil at laubenthal.net Wed Dec 19 05:34:20 2007 From: neil at laubenthal.net (Neil Laubenthal) Date: Wed Dec 19 05:34:30 2007 Subject: Not so mighty mouse... In-Reply-To: <479B29B5-0F12-415B-967C-E59E32E24206@comcast.net> References: <479B29B5-0F12-415B-967C-E59E32E24206@comcast.net> Message-ID: On Dec 18, 2007, at 23:27, Robert La Ferla wrote: > . . . but why can't Apple make a decent mouse??? Conversely, > Microsoft does many things wrong but makes a decent mouse. Microsoft's are nice . . . although I have Kensingtons myself. I've never understoood why Apple doesn't just OEM one from somebody else and put their label on it. They should stick to making good computers and software and not waste time/effort trying to do something that's already been done right. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-talk mailing list > MacOSX-talk@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-talk From bcarter at nd.edu Wed Dec 19 05:58:11 2007 From: bcarter at nd.edu (Bruce Carter) Date: Wed Dec 19 05:58:18 2007 Subject: Not so mighty mouse... In-Reply-To: <47691015.5020408@mninter.net> References: <479B29B5-0F12-415B-967C-E59E32E24206@comcast.net> <47691015.5020408@mninter.net> Message-ID: Have you seen the mechanism inside that the rubber ball drives? If you have, you'll understand why that thing is prone to failure in a particular direction. On Dec 19, 2007, at 7:35 AM, William Ehrich wrote: > I've only used it at the Apple store. The high resolution scrolling > is wonderful! I wish a normal mouse were available with that (with a > wheel, not a rubber ball that needs to be cleaned). -- Bruce Carter, Senior Systems Engineer http://www.nd.edu/~bcarter/ Center for Creative Computing, University of Notre Dame, Notre Dame, IN 46556 From stefano.delliponti at gmail.com Wed Dec 19 06:28:00 2007 From: stefano.delliponti at gmail.com (Stefano Delli Ponti) Date: Wed Dec 19 06:28:32 2007 Subject: Not so mighty mouse... In-Reply-To: References: <479B29B5-0F12-415B-967C-E59E32E24206@comcast.net> <47691015.5020408@mninter.net> Message-ID: Bruce Carter wrote: > Have you seen the mechanism inside that the rubber ball drives? If > you have, you'll understand why that thing is prone to failure in a > particular direction. > I haven't. But I do have that problem. Any hint about how I can solve the issue? Is there an effective way to clean the ball? Stefano From andrew.brown at c18.net Wed Dec 19 06:59:15 2007 From: andrew.brown at c18.net (Andrew Brown) Date: Wed Dec 19 06:59:21 2007 Subject: Not so mighty mouse... In-Reply-To: References: <479B29B5-0F12-415B-967C-E59E32E24206@comcast.net> <47691015.5020408@mninter.net> Message-ID: <06FBEABC-DC03-4A55-8549-8B96B2F4EE36@c18.net> On 19 Dec 2007, at 15:28, Stefano Delli Ponti wrote: > Any hint about how I can solve the issue? Is there an effective way > to clean the ball? Just rotate it rapidly backwards and forwards and it will be fit for a few more days or weeks. AB From bcarter at nd.edu Wed Dec 19 08:32:23 2007 From: bcarter at nd.edu (Bruce Carter) Date: Wed Dec 19 08:32:39 2007 Subject: Not so mighty mouse... In-Reply-To: References: <479B29B5-0F12-415B-967C-E59E32E24206@comcast.net> <47691015.5020408@mninter.net> Message-ID: Various people have reported some luck with: 1) Rolling the heck out of it on the sticky part of Post-It notes 2) Rolling the heck out of it on an alcohol doused pad 3) Just rolling the heck out of it It is possible to take them apart and clean them thoroughly (which is how I know what the mechanism looks like), but since they are glued together, it takes an Exacto knife (possibly a Dremel tool would work), a steady hand, and some amount of luck. And, as it turns out, it is usually the roller/sensor mechanism that is hosed. The mechanism is an odd little box that the ball rests in. Instead of the usual two control rollers and one tension roller, this thing has 4 rollers each connected to a sensor, one for each direction. When you roll in a particular direction (or angle) it engages the particular roller (or rollers, since it takes two to go at an angle) for that direction (or angle) and disengages the others. This is how they can malf in such a way that you can scroll up, but not down, and so forth. It looks neat, but it was not thought out well when it came to durability. The rollers are tiny and can easily get gunked up or even pop out of their guide. I have actually disassembled three of these, and reassembled two of them successfully (I got impatient with the third one and cracked the retaining ring). It's not easy, and it is probably not cost effective either, but I wanted to try it. There are instructions around the web, but once you get the glue cut and get the thing apart into two pieces, it's pretty clear how it works. On Dec 19, 2007, at 9:28 AM, Stefano Delli Ponti wrote: > I haven't. But I do have that problem. > Any hint about how I can solve the issue? Is there an effective way > to clean the ball? > Bruce Carter wrote: >> Have you seen the mechanism inside that the rubber ball drives? If >> you have, you'll understand why that thing is prone to failure in a >> particular direction. -- Bruce Carter, Senior Systems Engineer http://www.nd.edu/~bcarter/ Center for Creative Computing, University of Notre Dame, Notre Dame, IN 46556 From steve at paper-ape.com Wed Dec 19 09:01:20 2007 From: steve at paper-ape.com (steve harley) Date: Wed Dec 19 09:01:27 2007 Subject: Not so mighty mouse... In-Reply-To: <47691015.5020408@mninter.net> References: <479B29B5-0F12-415B-967C-E59E32E24206@comcast.net> <47691015.5020408@mninter.net> Message-ID: <47694E60.4080604@paper-ape.com> they whom i call William Ehrich wrote: > I've only used it at the Apple store. The high resolution scrolling is > wonderful! I wish a normal mouse were available with that (with a wheel, > not a rubber ball that needs to be cleaned). can you explain what you mean by "high resolution" so that i can relate it to my experience with other mice? my offhand sense is that what you describe is available in other products (whether you mean finely controlled movements or rapid scrolling) personally i'm pretty happy with my Logitech MX Nano, a small, medium-quality mouse with a tiny transmitter plug; the salient feature is available in several Logitech mice -- a two-mode wheel, free spinning or ratcheted (i looked at Bluetooth mice but shied away due to many reports of reduced responsiveness vs. 2.4 GHz) and a question: does the Mighty scroll ball have the same problem as multi-touch trackpad scrolling, namely that unwanted side to side scrolling happens? i ask because i'm often annoyed when pages scroll sideways slightly when scrolling with a trackpad; it's hard to stay 100% vertical; a scroll wheel with shift suits me better From kcall at mac.com Wed Dec 19 09:24:30 2007 From: kcall at mac.com (Kevin Callahan) Date: Wed Dec 19 09:24:37 2007 Subject: Not so mighty mouse... In-Reply-To: References: <479B29B5-0F12-415B-967C-E59E32E24206@comcast.net> <47691015.5020408@mninter.net> Message-ID: <95A57BEE-7D1C-44D6-B3DF-AA25A184BE6E@mac.com> On Dec 19, 2007, at 5:58 AM, Bruce Carter wrote: > Have you seen the mechanism inside that the rubber ball drives? If > you have, you'll understand why that thing is prone to failure in a > particular direction. the one I'm using right now won't scroll down > > > On Dec 19, 2007, at 7:35 AM, William Ehrich wrote: >> I've only used it at the Apple store. The high resolution scrolling >> is wonderful! I wish a normal mouse were available with that (with >> a wheel, not a rubber ball that needs to be cleaned). > > -- > Bruce Carter, Senior Systems Engineer http://www.nd.edu/~bcarter/ > Center for Creative Computing, University of Notre Dame, Notre Dame, > IN 46556 > > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-talk mailing list > MacOSX-talk@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-talk From charles.dyer at gmail.com Wed Dec 19 09:28:39 2007 From: charles.dyer at gmail.com (Charles Dyer) Date: Wed Dec 19 09:28:45 2007 Subject: Not so mighty mouse... In-Reply-To: <47694E60.4080604@paper-ape.com> References: <479B29B5-0F12-415B-967C-E59E32E24206@comcast.net> <47691015.5020408@mninter.net> <47694E60.4080604@paper-ape.com> Message-ID: On 19 Dec 2007, at 12:01:20, steve harley wrote: > they whom i call William Ehrich wrote: >> I've only used it at the Apple store. The high resolution scrolling >> is wonderful! I wish a normal mouse were available with that (with >> a wheel, not a rubber ball that needs to be cleaned). > > can you explain what you mean by "high resolution" so that i can > relate it to my experience with other mice? A small movement with a Mighty Mouse can result in a larger scrolling than with other mice. For example, I have a Logitech trackball on my main Mac alongside the Apple-supplied Mighty Mouse. I also have a Logitech mouse on one of my other Macs. I use the Mighty Mouse for most things and the trackball for when I _must_ have small, precise movements precisely because a single flip of the scroll ball on the Mighty Mouse scrolls large areas, while I can be extremely precise with the trackball. The scroll wheel on the trackball behaves exactly the same way that the scroll wheel on the Logitech mouse does: a given movement on the wheel scrolls things between one third and one half what a given movement on the Mighty Mouse scroll ball does. And, of course, the scroll wheel only works for vertical scrolling, not horizontal. (Using two different devices is also nice as I can have one set at a different level than the other. My trackball is set low because of what I use it for, but even at its top setting it behaves about the way the Mighty Mouse behaves at the middle setting.) > my offhand sense is that what you describe is available in other > products (whether you mean finely controlled movements or rapid > scrolling) > > personally i'm pretty happy with my Logitech MX Nano, a small, > medium-quality mouse with a tiny transmitter plug; the salient > feature is available in several Logitech mice -- a two-mode wheel, > free spinning or ratcheted (i looked at Bluetooth mice but shied > away due to many reports of reduced responsiveness vs. 2.4 GHz) > > and a question: does the Mighty scroll ball have the same problem as > multi-touch trackpad scrolling, namely that unwanted side to side > scrolling happens? Not usually. > i ask because i'm often annoyed when pages scroll sideways slightly > when scrolling with a trackpad; it's hard to stay 100% vertical; a > scroll wheel with shift suits me better > > > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-talk mailing list > MacOSX-talk@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-talk From stefano.delliponti at gmail.com Wed Dec 19 07:40:37 2007 From: stefano.delliponti at gmail.com (Stefano Delli Ponti) Date: Wed Dec 19 10:41:48 2007 Subject: Not so mighty mouse... In-Reply-To: <06FBEABC-DC03-4A55-8549-8B96B2F4EE36@c18.net> References: <479B29B5-0F12-415B-967C-E59E32E24206@comcast.net> <47691015.5020408@mninter.net> <06FBEABC-DC03-4A55-8549-8B96B2F4EE36@c18.net> Message-ID: Andrew Brown wrote: > On 19 Dec 2007, at 15:28, Stefano Delli Ponti wrote: > >> Any hint about how I can solve the issue? Is there an effective way to >> clean the ball? > > Just rotate it rapidly backwards and forwards and it will be fit for a > few more days or weeks. > Tried already... ;-) From kcall at mac.com Wed Dec 19 11:03:18 2007 From: kcall at mac.com (Kevin Callahan) Date: Wed Dec 19 11:03:34 2007 Subject: Not so mighty mouse... In-Reply-To: References: <479B29B5-0F12-415B-967C-E59E32E24206@comcast.net> <47691015.5020408@mninter.net> <06FBEABC-DC03-4A55-8549-8B96B2F4EE36@c18.net> Message-ID: <7FFEA5AA-9A84-4B51-9207-B9C614A4D1D9@mac.com> On Dec 19, 2007, at 7:40 AM, Stefano Delli Ponti wrote: > Andrew Brown wrote: >> On 19 Dec 2007, at 15:28, Stefano Delli Ponti wrote: >>> Any hint about how I can solve the issue? Is there an effective >>> way to clean the ball? >> Just rotate it rapidly backwards and forwards and it will be fit >> for a few more days or weeks. > > Tried already... ;-) doesn't work for me either I have two MMs with DOWN scrolling issues and two which haven't shown scrolling problems. However, one of the good ones occasionally (and more recently) seems to lose its ability to click. I have to "Setup new bluetooth device" to get it back. K > > > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-talk mailing list > MacOSX-talk@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-talk From wiswp at niue.nu Wed Dec 19 11:39:47 2007 From: wiswp at niue.nu (Bill Wisse) Date: Wed Dec 19 11:40:12 2007 Subject: Not so mighty mouse... In-Reply-To: <7FFEA5AA-9A84-4B51-9207-B9C614A4D1D9@mac.com> References: <479B29B5-0F12-415B-967C-E59E32E24206@comcast.net> <47691015.5020408@mninter.net> <06FBEABC-DC03-4A55-8549-8B96B2F4EE36@c18.net> <7FFEA5AA-9A84-4B51-9207-B9C614A4D1D9@mac.com> Message-ID: On 19/12/2007, at 8:03 AM, Kevin Callahan wrote: > I have two MMs with DOWN scrolling issues and two which haven't > shown scrolling problems. However, one of the good ones > occasionally (and more recently) seems to lose its ability to > click. I have to "Setup new bluetooth device" to get it back. I'll have that as well, the right click options disappears at times and that is a wired MMouse. Greetings from /bill at 169 west , 19 south. Disclaimer: Any errors in spelling, tact, or fact are transmission errors From kcall at mac.com Wed Dec 19 11:49:41 2007 From: kcall at mac.com (Kevin Callahan) Date: Wed Dec 19 11:53:37 2007 Subject: Not so mighty mouse... In-Reply-To: References: <479B29B5-0F12-415B-967C-E59E32E24206@comcast.net> <47691015.5020408@mninter.net> <06FBEABC-DC03-4A55-8549-8B96B2F4EE36@c18.net> <7FFEA5AA-9A84-4B51-9207-B9C614A4D1D9@mac.com> Message-ID: <5EE79D78-8789-4FC9-B73D-123D0234723A@mac.com> On Dec 19, 2007, at 11:39 AM, Bill Wisse wrote: > > On 19/12/2007, at 8:03 AM, Kevin Callahan wrote: > >> I have two MMs with DOWN scrolling issues and two which haven't >> shown scrolling problems. However, one of the good ones >> occasionally (and more recently) seems to lose its ability to >> click. I have to "Setup new bluetooth device" to get it back. > > I'll have that as well, the right click options disappears at times > and that is a wired MMouse. I'm rather surprised to see SO many users with MM click and scroll issues. I hope people are letting Apple know so that they can address the problems. http://www.apple.com/feedback/ K > > > > > > > Greetings from > /bill at 169 west , 19 south. > Disclaimer: Any errors in spelling, tact, or fact are > transmission errors > > > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-talk mailing list > MacOSX-talk@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-talk http://www.kevincallahan.org/ http://www.kevincallahan.org/software/accessorizer.html http://www.xeniamara.com/ From robertlaferla at comcast.net Wed Dec 19 16:23:09 2007 From: robertlaferla at comcast.net (Robert La Ferla) Date: Wed Dec 19 16:23:15 2007 Subject: Not so mighty mouse... In-Reply-To: <5EE79D78-8789-4FC9-B73D-123D0234723A@mac.com> References: <479B29B5-0F12-415B-967C-E59E32E24206@comcast.net> <47691015.5020408@mninter.net> <06FBEABC-DC03-4A55-8549-8B96B2F4EE36@c18.net> <7FFEA5AA-9A84-4B51-9207-B9C614A4D1D9@mac.com> <5EE79D78-8789-4FC9-B73D-123D0234723A@mac.com> Message-ID: On Dec 19, 2007, at 2:49 PM, Kevin Callahan wrote: >> >> I'll have that as well, the right click options disappears at times >> and that is a wired MMouse. > > I'm rather surprised to see SO many users with MM click and scroll > issues. > I hope people are letting Apple know so that they can address the > problems. > > http://www.apple.com/feedback/ The Mighty Mouse sucks. Also, the feedback page has no icon for the Mighty Mouse. From johnmusbach1 at gmail.com Wed Dec 19 16:29:00 2007 From: johnmusbach1 at gmail.com (John Musbach) Date: Wed Dec 19 16:29:01 2007 Subject: Not so mighty mouse... In-Reply-To: References: <479B29B5-0F12-415B-967C-E59E32E24206@comcast.net> <47691015.5020408@mninter.net> <06FBEABC-DC03-4A55-8549-8B96B2F4EE36@c18.net> <7FFEA5AA-9A84-4B51-9207-B9C614A4D1D9@mac.com> <5EE79D78-8789-4FC9-B73D-123D0234723A@mac.com> Message-ID: <17c8e29e0712191629v5423c627h68a672b6b63d74ac@mail.gmail.com> On Dec 19, 2007 4:23 PM, Robert La Ferla wrote: > The Mighty Mouse sucks. Also, the feedback page has no icon for the > Mighty Mouse. You'd probably have better luck getting a reaction from google by reporting your mighty mouse problems at http://bugreport.apple.com... -- Best Regards, John Musbach From johnmusbach1 at gmail.com Wed Dec 19 16:30:28 2007 From: johnmusbach1 at gmail.com (John Musbach) Date: Wed Dec 19 16:30:32 2007 Subject: Not so mighty mouse... In-Reply-To: <17c8e29e0712191629v5423c627h68a672b6b63d74ac@mail.gmail.com> References: <479B29B5-0F12-415B-967C-E59E32E24206@comcast.net> <06FBEABC-DC03-4A55-8549-8B96B2F4EE36@c18.net> <7FFEA5AA-9A84-4B51-9207-B9C614A4D1D9@mac.com> <5EE79D78-8789-4FC9-B73D-123D0234723A@mac.com> <17c8e29e0712191629v5423c627h68a672b6b63d74ac@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <17c8e29e0712191630q6726629ft221e46ff1579df7b@mail.gmail.com> On Dec 19, 2007 4:29 PM, John Musbach wrote: > You'd probably have better luck getting a reaction from google by > reporting your mighty mouse problems at http://bugreport.apple.com... Sorry, where Google is I meant to say Apple -- Best Regards, John Musbach From kcall at mac.com Wed Dec 19 18:18:30 2007 From: kcall at mac.com (Kevin Callahan) Date: Wed Dec 19 18:18:34 2007 Subject: Not so mighty mouse... In-Reply-To: <17c8e29e0712191629v5423c627h68a672b6b63d74ac@mail.gmail.com> References: <479B29B5-0F12-415B-967C-E59E32E24206@comcast.net> <47691015.5020408@mninter.net> <06FBEABC-DC03-4A55-8549-8B96B2F4EE36@c18.net> <7FFEA5AA-9A84-4B51-9207-B9C614A4D1D9@mac.com> <5EE79D78-8789-4FC9-B73D-123D0234723A@mac.com> <17c8e29e0712191629v5423c627h68a672b6b63d74ac@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Dec 19, 2007, at 4:29 PM, John Musbach wrote: > On Dec 19, 2007 4:23 PM, Robert La Ferla > wrote: >> The Mighty Mouse sucks. Also, the feedback page has no icon for the >> Mighty Mouse. > > You'd probably have better luck getting a reaction from google by > reporting your mighty mouse problems at http://bugreport.apple.com... I posted a bug to radar in April 2007 -- I'm going to follow up. Kevin http://www.kevincallahan.org/ http://www.kevincallahan.org/software/accessorizer.html http://www.xeniamara.com/ From johnmusbach1 at gmail.com Wed Dec 19 18:49:57 2007 From: johnmusbach1 at gmail.com (John Musbach) Date: Wed Dec 19 18:50:00 2007 Subject: moved TM drive from local machine to another machine on network, TM creates brand new archive for same machine In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <17c8e29e0712191849w68fba074u895379f7929c395c@mail.gmail.com> On Dec 16, 2007 4:57 PM, Kevin Callahan wrote: > TM is now creating an entirely new backup file. Is there a way to > point to the existing backup? No because the backups made in either case are different and incompatible with each other, local backups use a regular file/directory structure while network backups utilize spare images.... -- Best Regards, John Musbach From shacker at birdhouse.org Wed Dec 19 23:02:40 2007 From: shacker at birdhouse.org (Hacker Scot) Date: Wed Dec 19 23:02:53 2007 Subject: .mac SSL Message-ID: Weird - Mail.app just threw an error saying it couldn't verify the SSL cert from mail.mac.com. Not sure what's up with that, but in the process I discovered a nice unheralded improvement to Mail in Leopard - you can now *finally* tell it to permanently trust unverified certs. About freakin' time. ./s From dez at mac.com Thu Dec 20 01:56:08 2007 From: dez at mac.com (Derek Chesterfield) Date: Thu Dec 20 01:56:12 2007 Subject: Fwd: .mac SSL References: <871B0B07-6293-4B21-928F-7D01F513BCEA@mac.com> Message-ID: <9D0AE291-8904-4260-8DEC-3794602C301A@mac.com> On 20 Dec 2007, at 07:02, Hacker Scot wrote: > Weird - Mail.app just threw an error saying it couldn't verify the > SSL cert from mail.mac.com. Not sure what's up with that, but in the > process I discovered a nice unheralded improvement to Mail in > Leopard - you can now *finally* tell it to permanently trust > unverified certs. About freakin' time. This happens to me occasionally. It is a transient problem that goes away of its own volition. I think permanently trusting the certificate while it is in this state is probably not a good idea. From lists at quernstone.com Thu Dec 20 02:11:29 2007 From: lists at quernstone.com (Jonathan Sanderson) Date: Thu Dec 20 02:11:58 2007 Subject: Not so mighty mouse... In-Reply-To: References: <479B29B5-0F12-415B-967C-E59E32E24206@comcast.net> <47691015.5020408@mninter.net> <06FBEABC-DC03-4A55-8549-8B96B2F4EE36@c18.net> Message-ID: <4F33A310-2005-4406-A3F9-DE1A9C194DDA@quernstone.com> On 19 Dec 2007, at 15:40, Stefano Delli Ponti wrote: > Andrew Brown wrote: >> On 19 Dec 2007, at 15:28, Stefano Delli Ponti wrote: >>> Any hint about how I can solve the issue? Is there an effective >>> way to clean the ball? >> Just rotate it rapidly backwards and forwards and it will be fit >> for a few more days or weeks. > > Tried already... ;-) I've previously had success with the 'roll around upside-down on a clean piece of paper' method, but this week my Bluetooth MM didn't want to play. Hibernation time, perhaps. With no suitable alcohol in the house, I turned to a bottle of nail- varnish remover - fairly pure acetone. A couple of minutes with a cotton bud, and my mouse is back to its normal self. I too love the precise tracking and smooth scrolling - it feels more responsive yet smoother than other mice. When it's actually working, that is. And no, I don't suffer the 'inadvertent lateral scroll' issue also mentioned here, though I do have that problem with trackpad scrolling. -- Jonathan Sanderson "If I had more time, I would have written a shorter letter" (Pascal) From steve at paper-ape.com Thu Dec 20 09:04:09 2007 From: steve at paper-ape.com (steve harley) Date: Thu Dec 20 09:04:14 2007 Subject: Not so mighty mouse... In-Reply-To: References: <479B29B5-0F12-415B-967C-E59E32E24206@comcast.net> <47691015.5020408@mninter.net> <47694E60.4080604@paper-ape.com> Message-ID: <476AA089.7040103@paper-ape.com> they whom i call Charles Dyer wrote: > A small movement with a Mighty Mouse can result in a larger scrolling > than with other mice. you mean a small finger movement, i assume; try the freewheel on one of the newer Logitechs ... in terms of literal movement at the circumference of the wheel, it's more movement, but in terms of ease of rapidly scrolling, i'd guess it can be as fast and at the same time give more control > And, of course, the > scroll wheel only works for vertical scrolling, not horizontal. sounds like you aren't aware of some options here; i just hold shift while scrolling, even when a mouse has a tilt wheel (because the tilt gives less control); many drivers also have an option to do something like click the wheel to switch to horizontal scrolling; i use that sometimes too From david at idiomatrix.com Thu Dec 20 05:44:49 2007 From: david at idiomatrix.com (David Herren) Date: Thu Dec 20 12:12:56 2007 Subject: OT: safari windows Message-ID: <5E8CE6EC-BF2C-4DB4-A794-DC570530E20E@idiomatrix.com> Off topic, but given it's safari... On one of the web sites I inherited (...) a little javascript is used to pop open a window stripped of much of the chrome, but it very clearly is set to display the menu bar so users on windows can still select print to print the contents. This works on all windows and linux browsers we've tested, but no menubar appears in safari on windows. Has anyone else noticed this? I've never filed a bug with apple and I'm not a registered developer, but I plan today to try to figure out if this has been reported and if not, figure out how to go about doing that if anyone else can confirm that it's not just bad javascript here. To whit: function popWindow(pURL,wName){ new_window = window .open (pURL ,wName ,'width = 600 ,height = 450 ,screenX = 25 ,screenY =25,scrollbars=yes,toolbars=no,menubar=yes,resizable=yes,dependent'); new_window.focus(); } The script is obviously pass the URL and window name (interesting that Explorer will choke and not display the window if there is a space in the name passed, but we determined that long ago...and Explorer problems are definitely OT except to say: "Explorer, SIOOMA") /david -- david herren-lage - shoreham, vt "We spent a lot of time talking about Africa, as we should. Africa is a nation that suffers from incredible disease." -George W. Bush, Gothenburg, Sweden, Jun 14, 2001 From macsrwe at macsrwe.com Thu Dec 20 13:19:48 2007 From: macsrwe at macsrwe.com (Macs R We) Dat