From kcall at mac.com Sun Apr 1 12:41:12 2007 From: kcall at mac.com (Kevin Callahan) Date: Sun Apr 1 12:41:17 2007 Subject: Canon HV20 (high def) not seen by QuickTime Pro Message-ID: My BIL just picked up the new Canon HV20 high def camcorder and says that QTPro doesn't see it as a device. iMovie does, however. That sucks, though - since iMovie doesn't allow you to bring in a separate audio source when recording directly to disk. QTPro does. :-( From charles.dyer at gmail.com Sun Apr 1 13:51:19 2007 From: charles.dyer at gmail.com (Charles Dyer) Date: Sun Apr 1 13:51:25 2007 Subject: Acrobat & PCL Printers Message-ID: <0AA0873E-22D9-459B-A722-164D50252602@gmail.com> I've got Adobe CS2.3. This means that I have Acrobat Pro 8.0. I also have a Brother HL-2070N printer. This printer prints using PCL6. It's a nice printer, fast, well-behaved, everything I could want... except that if I send a multipage document to it from Acrobat, it prints just the first page. If I send the same document to it with the print settings set to reverse print order, it prints just the last page. If I send the same document to it one page at a time, it prints each page in turn. If I send the same document to it from Preview, it prints the whole thing. It does not appear to be a driver issue, and in any case I've got the latest driver from Brother's site and installed it. It does not appear that Acrobat is corrupt, as everything else works and in any case I reinstalled Acrobat from the application CD. It does not appear to be a system problem as it does this with CUPS 1.1.15 (the default version, installed with OS X) and 1.2.4 and 1.2.8. And with 1.1.5 again, installed when I did an archive and install of 10.4 and updated it to 10.4.9. And, besides, only Acrobat has this problem. Other apps, including other Adobe apps, print multipage documents to that printer without any problems whatsoever. Worse, Acrobat _does_ print the _same_ multipage documents which give trouble with the Brother to my HP PSC1350 inkjet MFD, using the HP drivers or the Foomatic drivers, so it's not the documents, or the documents combined with Acrobat, either. It's specifically that it absolutely will not print multipage documents to just that particular printer. And only to that particular printer. Does anyone have any clue as to what on earth might be happening, and how to fix it? From david at idiomatrix.com Mon Apr 2 02:43:07 2007 From: david at idiomatrix.com (David Herren) Date: Mon Apr 2 02:43:35 2007 Subject: Preview.app: can it do this...? Message-ID: I keep thinking that there has got to be a way to join two single page pdfs into a single, two page pdf, but unless I am completely blind, under 10.4.x I don't see a way to do it. I really don't want to drop $299 into Adobe Premier Standard just to join two pages. Any tips? /david -- david herren - shoreham, vt us na terra solsys orionarm "But I also made it clear to Putin that it's important to think beyond the old days of when we had the concept that if we blew each other up, the world would be safe." -George W. Bush, Washington, DC, May 1, 2001 http://www.bushorchimp.com/ From dez at mac.com Mon Apr 2 03:06:51 2007 From: dez at mac.com (Derek Chesterfield) Date: Mon Apr 2 03:06:54 2007 Subject: Preview.app: can it do this...? References: <309DECBF-9435-433F-8CB3-C6D428270033@mac.com> Message-ID: I don't think you can do it directly in OS X. But here's an app to do it: On 2 Apr 2007, at 10:43, David Herren wrote: > I keep thinking that there has got to be a way to join two single > page pdfs into a single, two page pdf, but unless I am completely > blind, under 10.4.x I don't see a way to do it. I really don't want > to drop $299 into Adobe Premier Standard just to join two pages. > > Any tips? From mrhatken at mac.com Mon Apr 2 04:24:05 2007 From: mrhatken at mac.com (Ashley Aitken) Date: Mon Apr 2 04:18:31 2007 Subject: Preview.app: can it do this...? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 02/04/2007, at 5:43 PM, David Herren wrote: > I keep thinking that there has got to be a way to join two single > page pdfs into a single, two page pdf, but unless I am completely > blind, under 10.4.x I don't see a way to do it. I really don't want > to drop $299 into Adobe Premier Standard just to join two pages. > > Any tips? VersionTracker, Google, lots of ways you could have found how to do it. PDFLab is the one I use, and its free. Cheers, Ashley. From steve at paper-ape.com Mon Apr 2 07:38:17 2007 From: steve at paper-ape.com (steve harley) Date: Mon Apr 2 07:38:30 2007 Subject: Preview.app: can it do this...? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <46111559.4090606@paper-ape.com> they whom i call Ashley Aitken wrote: > PDFLab is the one I use, and its free. me too, and i've used it to automate appending PDFs in a production environment (not graphic production, though -- i'm not sure whether press-ready PDF could be safely handled this way) From balhoff at mac.com Mon Apr 2 08:12:38 2007 From: balhoff at mac.com (Jim Balhoff) Date: Mon Apr 2 08:13:12 2007 Subject: Preview.app: can it do this...? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <54508A9A-7292-4F8C-8A99-0B3323E9316C@mac.com> On Apr 2, 2007, at 5:43 AM, David Herren wrote: > I keep thinking that there has got to be a way to join two single > page pdfs into a single, two page pdf, but unless I am completely > blind, under 10.4.x I don't see a way to do it. I really don't want > to drop $299 into Adobe Premier Standard just to join two pages. > > Any tips? > You can do this in Automator, "Combine PDF Pages". - Jim From erik.buck at sbcglobal.net Mon Apr 2 10:59:19 2007 From: erik.buck at sbcglobal.net (Erik Buck) Date: Mon Apr 2 10:59:27 2007 Subject: Big Nerd Ranch teaser on NPR Message-ID: <20070402175919.20801.qmail@web80511.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I heard a teaser for some story about the Big Nerd Ranch on NPR today. Does anybody know what the story is about or when it will air ? Is this about Cocoa or other Big Nerd Ranch topics ? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /mailman/archive/macosx-talk/attachments/20070402/c2d61300/attachment.html From chad at objectwerks.com Mon Apr 2 12:05:55 2007 From: chad at objectwerks.com (Chad Leigh) Date: Mon Apr 2 12:06:11 2007 Subject: easy way to read individual VOB files? Message-ID: <034CE67F-FC04-4386-93D8-12BE9C8BE164@objectwerks.com> We are flying to Japan shortly to visit my wife's family. We bought one of those portable DVD players for my son to use on the long long trip over there. I am wanting to make a bunch of DivX, or however it is properly capitalized, files so as to avoid bring original DVDs on the trip. I would like to not include the stupid stuff and want to include just the main feature VOBs. (No worries, DVDs are not protected). How can I look at the individual VOB files on OS X? Thanks Chad From christopher.elkins at gmail.com Mon Apr 2 13:08:45 2007 From: christopher.elkins at gmail.com (Christopher Elkins) Date: Mon Apr 2 13:08:54 2007 Subject: easy way to read individual VOB files? In-Reply-To: <034CE67F-FC04-4386-93D8-12BE9C8BE164@objectwerks.com> References: <034CE67F-FC04-4386-93D8-12BE9C8BE164@objectwerks.com> Message-ID: On Apr 2, 2007, at 12:05 PM, Chad Leigh wrote: > How can I look at the individual VOB files on OS X? VLC QT with the MPEG-2 playback component -- Christopher Elkins From kremels at kreme.com Mon Apr 2 13:16:11 2007 From: kremels at kreme.com (LuKreme) Date: Mon Apr 2 13:16:37 2007 Subject: easy way to read individual VOB files? In-Reply-To: <034CE67F-FC04-4386-93D8-12BE9C8BE164@objectwerks.com> References: <034CE67F-FC04-4386-93D8-12BE9C8BE164@objectwerks.com> Message-ID: <113F2267-AA2E-4DFA-B293-DC9A2D96BF72@kreme.com> On 2-Apr-2007, at 13:05, Chad Leigh wrote: > We are flying to Japan shortly to visit my wife's family. We > bought one of those portable DVD players for my son to use on the > long long trip over there. I am wanting to make a bunch of DivX, > or however it is properly capitalized, files so as to avoid bring > original DVDs on the trip. I would like to not include the stupid > stuff and want to include just the main feature VOBs. (No worries, > DVDs are not protected). Use MediaFork (which has been folded into Handbrake, but handbrake has not been updated yet). It will make quick work of any DVD and rip just what you want to the format you want. -- Why can't you be in a good mood? How hard is it to decide to be in a good mood and be in a good mood once in a while?" From erik.buck at sbcglobal.net Mon Apr 2 17:25:11 2007 From: erik.buck at sbcglobal.net (Erik Buck) Date: Mon Apr 2 17:25:19 2007 Subject: Big Nerd Ranch teaser on NPR Message-ID: <6EB63080-0DF9-44C4-BAD1-F805DA83E558@sbcglobal.net> I heard the radio segment on "Marketplace." Aaron Hillegass was interviews. There was a sound clip of Aaron describing the NSRunAlert function. From goatbag at mac.com Mon Apr 2 17:39:33 2007 From: goatbag at mac.com (Justin Anderson) Date: Mon Apr 2 17:39:38 2007 Subject: Big Nerd Ranch teaser on NPR In-Reply-To: <6EB63080-0DF9-44C4-BAD1-F805DA83E558@sbcglobal.net> References: <6EB63080-0DF9-44C4-BAD1-F805DA83E558@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <83779F81-B173-4073-BC44-9A682CD7A7F2@mac.com> You can listen to it at http://marketplace.publicradio.org/shows/ 2007/04/02/PM200704027.html On Apr 2, 2007, at 8:25 PM, Erik Buck wrote: > I heard the radio segment on "Marketplace." > > Aaron Hillegass was interviews. There was a sound clip of Aaron > describing the NSRunAlert function. From chad at objectwerks.com Mon Apr 2 18:39:07 2007 From: chad at objectwerks.com (Chad Leigh) Date: Mon Apr 2 18:39:19 2007 Subject: easy way to read individual VOB files? In-Reply-To: References: <034CE67F-FC04-4386-93D8-12BE9C8BE164@objectwerks.com> Message-ID: <489323F1-710F-4DA8-A0CA-0FFEAD46C44D@objectwerks.com> On Apr 2, 2007, at 2:08 PM, Christopher Elkins wrote: > On Apr 2, 2007, at 12:05 PM, Chad Leigh wrote: > >> How can I look at the individual VOB files on OS X? > > VLC Thanks, that works. Chad > QT with the MPEG-2 playback component > > -- > Christopher Elkins > > > > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-talk mailing list > MacOSX-talk@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-talk From chad at objectwerks.com Mon Apr 2 18:40:51 2007 From: chad at objectwerks.com (Chad Leigh) Date: Mon Apr 2 18:40:54 2007 Subject: easy way to read individual VOB files? In-Reply-To: <113F2267-AA2E-4DFA-B293-DC9A2D96BF72@kreme.com> References: <034CE67F-FC04-4386-93D8-12BE9C8BE164@objectwerks.com> <113F2267-AA2E-4DFA-B293-DC9A2D96BF72@kreme.com> Message-ID: <7F2F181C-FC64-4827-9713-1D01188A7B1B@objectwerks.com> On Apr 2, 2007, at 2:16 PM, LuKreme wrote: > On 2-Apr-2007, at 13:05, Chad Leigh wrote: >> We are flying to Japan shortly to visit my wife's family. We >> bought one of those portable DVD players for my son to use on the >> long long trip over there. I am wanting to make a bunch of DivX, >> or however it is properly capitalized, files so as to avoid bring >> original DVDs on the trip. I would like to not include the >> stupid stuff and want to include just the main feature VOBs. (No >> worries, DVDs are not protected). > > Use MediaFork (which has been folded into Handbrake, but handbrake > has not been updated yet). > > It will make quick work of any DVD and rip just what you want to > the format you want. > > > I'll gave to try it. Most of the DVDs are already on HD on my server (as VIDEO_TS folders). I have VisualHub, which seemed well recommended after Jared nearly wet himself :-) and that has been working pretty well except for my test DVD, Kelly's Heroes, where the sound on the last 1/4 of the movie turns into the chipmunks. I will check mediafork out, sounds interesting Chad From scott at cocoadoc.com Mon Apr 2 20:53:51 2007 From: scott at cocoadoc.com (Scott Anguish) Date: Mon Apr 2 20:53:56 2007 Subject: Big Nerd Ranch teaser on NPR In-Reply-To: <6EB63080-0DF9-44C4-BAD1-F805DA83E558@sbcglobal.net> References: <6EB63080-0DF9-44C4-BAD1-F805DA83E558@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <8A22BE2F-B011-405B-83E8-3A742AFEDCAD@cocoadoc.com> On Apr 2, 2007, at 8:25 PM, Erik Buck wrote: > I heard the radio segment on "Marketplace." > > Aaron Hillegass was interviews. There was a sound clip of Aaron > describing the NSRunAlert function. I love Aaron.. but a dramatic reading of the NSRunAlert reference... well.. ugh. From kremels at kreme.com Tue Apr 3 00:38:52 2007 From: kremels at kreme.com (LuKreme) Date: Tue Apr 3 00:39:15 2007 Subject: easy way to read individual VOB files? In-Reply-To: <7F2F181C-FC64-4827-9713-1D01188A7B1B@objectwerks.com> References: <034CE67F-FC04-4386-93D8-12BE9C8BE164@objectwerks.com> <113F2267-AA2E-4DFA-B293-DC9A2D96BF72@kreme.com> <7F2F181C-FC64-4827-9713-1D01188A7B1B@objectwerks.com> Message-ID: <565C8286-F6CC-49F3-9111-D59885B4FF36@kreme.com> On 2-Apr-2007, at 19:40, Chad Leigh wrote: > On Apr 2, 2007, at 2:16 PM, LuKreme wrote: >> On 2-Apr-2007, at 13:05, Chad Leigh wrote: >>> We are flying to Japan shortly to visit my wife's family. We >>> bought one of those portable DVD players for my son to use on the >>> long long trip over there. I am wanting to make a bunch of DivX, >>> or however it is properly capitalized, files so as to avoid bring >>> original DVDs on the trip. I would like to not include the >>> stupid stuff and want to include just the main feature VOBs. (No >>> worries, DVDs are not protected). >> >> Use MediaFork (which has been folded into Handbrake, but handbrake >> has not been updated yet). >> >> It will make quick work of any DVD and rip just what you want to >> the format you want. >> >> > > I'll gave to try it. Most of the DVDs are already on HD on my > server (as VIDEO_TS folders). I have VisualHub, which seemed well > recommended after Jared nearly wet himself :-) and that has been > working pretty well except for my test DVD, Kelly's Heroes, where > the sound on the last 1/4 of the movie turns into the chipmunks. Ah, more info. VisualHub is, overall, nicer than Mediafork and provides more options. Mediafork goes directly off the DVD though, which VH doesn't. I don't know why you're have a sound pitch problem with Visual Hub. Have you tried reporting it as a bug? I think they have forums, right? -- "Let's get back to syntax of procmail and forget the syntax of fools." - Don From scott at cocoadoc.com Tue Apr 3 10:22:14 2007 From: scott at cocoadoc.com (Scott Anguish) Date: Tue Apr 3 10:22:08 2007 Subject: VisualHub - quick try, major failure Message-ID: <0412CC3A-00C0-42D0-A69D-1E1B6A5A1564@cocoadoc.com> I decided to give this app a try. the goal being to make my DVDs available over my Apple TV. MAJOR DISAPPOINTMENT. Download it says it needs to install random stuff from the internet.. doesn't tell me where it needs to put it.. bad news. pick DVD, setup to convert to Apple TV format click start AppleScript error... (????) Click again it converts.. the first few minutes as a test.. but the quality is crap http://www.sanguish.com/VisualFailure.png From kcall at mac.com Tue Apr 3 10:36:48 2007 From: kcall at mac.com (Kevin Callahan) Date: Tue Apr 3 10:36:54 2007 Subject: VisualHub - quick try, major failure In-Reply-To: <0412CC3A-00C0-42D0-A69D-1E1B6A5A1564@cocoadoc.com> References: <0412CC3A-00C0-42D0-A69D-1E1B6A5A1564@cocoadoc.com> Message-ID: <8172E31F-5D92-4FD3-B3D4-A8D53F6172C7@mac.com> On Apr 3, 2007, at 10:22 AM, Scott Anguish wrote: > I decided to give this app a try. the goal being to make my DVDs > available over my Apple TV. > > MAJOR DISAPPOINTMENT. > > Download > it says it needs to install random stuff from the internet.. > doesn't tell me where it needs to put it.. bad news. > pick DVD, setup to convert to Apple TV format > click start > AppleScript error... (????) > Click again > it converts.. the first few minutes as a test.. > > but the quality is crap > > > http://www.sanguish.com/VisualFailure.png > Let's hope Apple adds support for DVDs (and other streaming media - YouTube, QT+Flip4Mac support) ) via AppleTV Then I might buy one. From scott at cocoadoc.com Tue Apr 3 10:43:20 2007 From: scott at cocoadoc.com (Scott Anguish) Date: Tue Apr 3 10:43:12 2007 Subject: VisualHub - quick try, major failure In-Reply-To: <8172E31F-5D92-4FD3-B3D4-A8D53F6172C7@mac.com> References: <0412CC3A-00C0-42D0-A69D-1E1B6A5A1564@cocoadoc.com> <8172E31F-5D92-4FD3-B3D4-A8D53F6172C7@mac.com> Message-ID: > > Let's hope Apple adds support for DVDs (and other streaming media - > YouTube, QT+Flip4Mac support) ) via AppleTV > > Then I might buy one. > > > this was more comment about Visual Hub than anything.. I can get there using other means. YouTube? Why? It's crappy quality even on the computer. I tried the AppleTV last night... the downloaded shows from the store were very good actually (recent downloads). the music was easily handled. There is NO need to sync if you want to just stream (and in a family of 5, that means we already have a single 'media server' directory that everyone just mounts - it's a crappy solution mind you). Apple trailers looked great. I'm still leaning towards a single 400 DVD player that outputs upconverted HDMI and Component and then using a Balun to move the second signal to the living room set. I hate the way my life is segmented as it is. It's frustrating as hell.. it isn't just a convenience situation like it is with most people (yes, I know this is going to more than Kevin.. I don't care... ) From merlyn at stonehenge.com Tue Apr 3 10:43:55 2007 From: merlyn at stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz) Date: Tue Apr 3 10:44:04 2007 Subject: VisualHub - quick try, major failure In-Reply-To: <0412CC3A-00C0-42D0-A69D-1E1B6A5A1564@cocoadoc.com> (Scott Anguish's message of "Tue, 3 Apr 2007 13:22:14 -0400") References: <0412CC3A-00C0-42D0-A69D-1E1B6A5A1564@cocoadoc.com> Message-ID: <86wt0tbbfo.fsf@blue.stonehenge.com> >>>>> "Scott" == Scott Anguish writes: Scott> Download it says it needs to install random stuff from the Scott> internet.. doesn't tell me where it needs to put it.. bad news. It does it automatically. hit the button, it downloads and installs. It's really rather brain-dead simple, and only needs to be done once on the first launch. However, I have to remember to be online the first time I launch a new version. -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 Perl/Unix/security consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See PerlTraining.Stonehenge.com for onsite and open-enrollment Perl training! From scott at cocoadoc.com Tue Apr 3 10:48:21 2007 From: scott at cocoadoc.com (Scott Anguish) Date: Tue Apr 3 10:48:13 2007 Subject: VisualHub - quick try, major failure In-Reply-To: <86wt0tbbfo.fsf@blue.stonehenge.com> References: <0412CC3A-00C0-42D0-A69D-1E1B6A5A1564@cocoadoc.com> <86wt0tbbfo.fsf@blue.stonehenge.com> Message-ID: <4C128C77-9FEC-4369-B8F4-789A8676411D@cocoadoc.com> On Apr 3, 2007, at 1:43 PM, Randal L. Schwartz wrote: >>>>>> "Scott" == Scott Anguish writes: > > Scott> Download it says it needs to install random stuff from the > Scott> internet.. doesn't tell me where it needs to put it.. bad news. > > It does it automatically. hit the button, it downloads and > installs. It's > really rather brain-dead simple, and only needs to be done once on > the first > launch. However, I have to remember to be online the first time I > launch a > new version. ah, sorry. It did it automatically, but it didn't tell me where WHERE it put it. I hate that it isn't that extra bit communicative. I'd hope it's in /Library/Application Support and it appears it might be.. but that's notwhere I'd have wanted it (install it as a single user, not as a network.. or give me a choice) From kremels at kreme.com Tue Apr 3 10:56:43 2007 From: kremels at kreme.com (LuKreme) Date: Tue Apr 3 10:57:09 2007 Subject: VisualHub - quick try, major failure In-Reply-To: <0412CC3A-00C0-42D0-A69D-1E1B6A5A1564@cocoadoc.com> References: <0412CC3A-00C0-42D0-A69D-1E1B6A5A1564@cocoadoc.com> Message-ID: <7B6DE553-A129-41C4-8CF1-19AC725A1972@kreme.com> On 3-Apr-2007, at 11:22, Scott Anguish wrote: > I decided to give this app a try. the goal being to make my DVDs > available over my Apple TV. > > MAJOR DISAPPOINTMENT. > > Download > it says it needs to install random stuff from the internet No, not Random stuff, just the DVD decoding stuff that they can't include in the software because of the ContentCartel. > .. doesn't tell me where it needs to put it.. bad news. I thought there was an installer log, but perhaps not. > http://www.sanguish.com/VisualFailure.png Very odd. http://home.kreme.com/blackd.png -- "But you read a lot of books, I'm thinking. Hard to have faith, ain't it, when you've read too many books?" From scott at cocoadoc.com Tue Apr 3 11:16:34 2007 From: scott at cocoadoc.com (Scott Anguish) Date: Tue Apr 3 11:16:27 2007 Subject: VisualHub - quick try, major failure In-Reply-To: <7B6DE553-A129-41C4-8CF1-19AC725A1972@kreme.com> References: <0412CC3A-00C0-42D0-A69D-1E1B6A5A1564@cocoadoc.com> <7B6DE553-A129-41C4-8CF1-19AC725A1972@kreme.com> Message-ID: On Apr 3, 2007, at 1:56 PM, LuKreme wrote: > On 3-Apr-2007, at 11:22, Scott Anguish wrote: >> I decided to give this app a try. the goal being to make my DVDs >> available over my Apple TV. >> >> MAJOR DISAPPOINTMENT. >> >> Download >> it says it needs to install random stuff from the internet > > No, not Random stuff, just the DVD decoding stuff that they can't > include in the software because of the ContentCartel. > YES, Random stuff was my wording... >> .. doesn't tell me where it needs to put it.. bad news. > > I thought there was an installer log, but perhaps not. > it wasn't obvious if it was. >> http://www.sanguish.com/VisualFailure.png > > Very odd. > > http://home.kreme.com/blackd.png > was that the full version? From scott at cocoadoc.com Tue Apr 3 11:18:04 2007 From: scott at cocoadoc.com (Scott Anguish) Date: Tue Apr 3 11:17:55 2007 Subject: VisualHub - quick try, major failure In-Reply-To: References: <0412CC3A-00C0-42D0-A69D-1E1B6A5A1564@cocoadoc.com> <86wt0tbbfo.fsf@blue.stonehenge.com> <4C128C77-9FEC-4369-B8F4-789A8676411D@cocoadoc.com> Message-ID: this was direct from the DVD.. on Apple TV - Go Nuts On Apr 3, 2007, at 2:15 PM, Hunter Hillegas wrote: > For the record, I've had excellent results from VisualHub and the > half dozen folks I've recommended it to have as well. > > I did some testing with three quality settings from a DVD rip: > Standard, High and Go Nuts. Honestly, 'Standard' looked almost as > good as High and Go Nuts and since the file is smaller and the > encoding takes way less time, that's probably going to be my go-to. > > Now, if only MTR would work properly with Casino Royale... > > On Apr 3, 2007, at 10:48 AM, Scott Anguish wrote: > >> >> ah, sorry. >> >> It did it automatically, but it didn't tell me where WHERE it put >> it. >> >> I hate that it isn't that extra bit communicative. I'd hope it's >> in /Library/Application Support and it appears it might be.. but >> that's notwhere I'd have wanted it (install it as a single user, >> not as a network.. or give me a choice) >> > From merlyn at stonehenge.com Tue Apr 3 11:18:27 2007 From: merlyn at stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz) Date: Tue Apr 3 11:18:30 2007 Subject: VisualHub - quick try, major failure In-Reply-To: (Hunter Hillegas's message of "Tue, 3 Apr 2007 11:15:27 -0700") References: <0412CC3A-00C0-42D0-A69D-1E1B6A5A1564@cocoadoc.com> <86wt0tbbfo.fsf@blue.stonehenge.com> <4C128C77-9FEC-4369-B8F4-789A8676411D@cocoadoc.com> Message-ID: <86ircdb9u4.fsf@blue.stonehenge.com> >>>>> "Hunter" == Hunter Hillegas writes: Hunter> For the record, I've had excellent results from VisualHub and the half dozen Hunter> folks I've recommended it to have as well. Ditto. I know that VH is partially a repacking of a lot of really cool open source tools, and that I could probably accomplish every step "by hand" using those tools for free. But it Just Works Darnit... I throw things at it, and say "I want THAT over HERE", and it works. Well worth the $30 or so. And the humor in the manual and the dialog boxes is *just* the right touch. Kudos to the creators. Get it now. -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 Perl/Unix/security consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See PerlTraining.Stonehenge.com for onsite and open-enrollment Perl training! From scott at cocoadoc.com Tue Apr 3 11:20:55 2007 From: scott at cocoadoc.com (Scott Anguish) Date: Tue Apr 3 11:20:47 2007 Subject: VisualHub - quick try, major failure In-Reply-To: <86ircdb9u4.fsf@blue.stonehenge.com> References: <0412CC3A-00C0-42D0-A69D-1E1B6A5A1564@cocoadoc.com> <86wt0tbbfo.fsf@blue.stonehenge.com> <4C128C77-9FEC-4369-B8F4-789A8676411D@cocoadoc.com> <86ircdb9u4.fsf@blue.stonehenge.com> Message-ID: <2DDADAA3-0DE8-4C01-A6A1-91FB33DBA2B2@cocoadoc.com> believe me.. IF it worked, I'd get it now. But it didn't for me. and that's troubling. On Apr 3, 2007, at 2:18 PM, Randal L. Schwartz wrote: > it works. Well worth the $30 or so. And the > humor in the manual and the dialog boxes is *just* the right touch. > Kudos to > the creators. Get it now. From lists at lastonepicked.com Tue Apr 3 11:15:27 2007 From: lists at lastonepicked.com (Hunter Hillegas) Date: Tue Apr 3 11:45:29 2007 Subject: VisualHub - quick try, major failure In-Reply-To: <4C128C77-9FEC-4369-B8F4-789A8676411D@cocoadoc.com> References: <0412CC3A-00C0-42D0-A69D-1E1B6A5A1564@cocoadoc.com> <86wt0tbbfo.fsf@blue.stonehenge.com> <4C128C77-9FEC-4369-B8F4-789A8676411D@cocoadoc.com> Message-ID: For the record, I've had excellent results from VisualHub and the half dozen folks I've recommended it to have as well. I did some testing with three quality settings from a DVD rip: Standard, High and Go Nuts. Honestly, 'Standard' looked almost as good as High and Go Nuts and since the file is smaller and the encoding takes way less time, that's probably going to be my go-to. Now, if only MTR would work properly with Casino Royale... On Apr 3, 2007, at 10:48 AM, Scott Anguish wrote: > > ah, sorry. > > It did it automatically, but it didn't tell me where WHERE it put it. > > I hate that it isn't that extra bit communicative. I'd hope it's > in /Library/Application Support and it appears it might be.. but > that's notwhere I'd have wanted it (install it as a single user, > not as a network.. or give me a choice) > From kris at primordialsoft.com Tue Apr 3 12:48:04 2007 From: kris at primordialsoft.com (Kris Noland) Date: Tue Apr 3 12:48:20 2007 Subject: VisualHub - quick try, major failure In-Reply-To: <2DDADAA3-0DE8-4C01-A6A1-91FB33DBA2B2@cocoadoc.com> References: <0412CC3A-00C0-42D0-A69D-1E1B6A5A1564@cocoadoc.com> <86wt0tbbfo.fsf@blue.stonehenge.com> <4C128C77-9FEC-4369-B8F4-789A8676411D@cocoadoc.com> <86ircdb9u4.fsf@blue.stonehenge.com> <2DDADAA3-0DE8-4C01-A6A1-91FB33DBA2B2@cocoadoc.com> Message-ID: <21DFE827-3F95-4469-9AFD-2ED4D21705E7@primordialsoft.com> Scott, I've had excellent results with Visual Hub as well, but I tend to use Cinematize Pro to extract the chapters I'm interested in first, and not convert straight from the dvd/video_ts. Cinematize Pro has excellent de-interlacing capabilities, but unfortunately only for a small range of dvds. You might try VH's advanced settings and check 'Force: Quicktime Decoding' and see if that makes any difference in the end result. Handbrake does a really good job as well, if you can live with it clipping the last three seconds off the end of your video selection. Kris On Apr 3, 2007, at 2:20 PM, Scott Anguish wrote: > believe me.. IF it worked, I'd get it now. > > But it didn't for me. and that's troubling. > > > On Apr 3, 2007, at 2:18 PM, Randal L. Schwartz wrote: > >> it works. Well worth the $30 or so. And the >> humor in the manual and the dialog boxes is *just* the right >> touch. Kudos to >> the creators. Get it now. > > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-talk mailing list > MacOSX-talk@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-talk > From kremels at kreme.com Tue Apr 3 13:11:14 2007 From: kremels at kreme.com (LuKreme) Date: Tue Apr 3 13:11:42 2007 Subject: VisualHub - quick try, major failure In-Reply-To: References: <0412CC3A-00C0-42D0-A69D-1E1B6A5A1564@cocoadoc.com> <7B6DE553-A129-41C4-8CF1-19AC725A1972@kreme.com> Message-ID: <263CE2EB-9938-4CB8-8F44-7EAFE17E31B3@kreme.com> On 3-Apr-2007, at 12:16, Scott Anguish wrote: > On Apr 3, 2007, at 1:56 PM, LuKreme wrote: >> On 3-Apr-2007, at 11:22, Scott Anguish wrote: >>> http://www.sanguish.com/VisualFailure.png >> http://home.kreme.com/blackd.png > was that the full version? Er, not sure what you mean by full version. It's the widescreen movie ripped from a DVD using visual hub. It averaged about 95fps. -- Lister: What d'ya think of Betty? Cat: Betty Rubble? Well, I would go with Betty... but I'd be thinking of Wilma. Lister: This is crazy. Why are we talking about going to bed with Wilma Flintstone? Cat: You're right. We're nuts. This is an insane conversation. Lister: She'll never leave Fred, and we know it. From kremels at kreme.com Tue Apr 3 13:12:51 2007 From: kremels at kreme.com (LuKreme) Date: Tue Apr 3 13:13:14 2007 Subject: VisualHub - quick try, major failure In-Reply-To: <263CE2EB-9938-4CB8-8F44-7EAFE17E31B3@kreme.com> References: <0412CC3A-00C0-42D0-A69D-1E1B6A5A1564@cocoadoc.com> <7B6DE553-A129-41C4-8CF1-19AC725A1972@kreme.com> <263CE2EB-9938-4CB8-8F44-7EAFE17E31B3@kreme.com> Message-ID: <6BF5D0C8-AF24-423F-B8D1-0F09142F71D9@kreme.com> On 3-Apr-2007, at 14:11, LuKreme wrote: > On 3-Apr-2007, at 12:16, Scott Anguish wrote: >> On Apr 3, 2007, at 1:56 PM, LuKreme wrote: >>> On 3-Apr-2007, at 11:22, Scott Anguish wrote: >>>> http://www.sanguish.com/VisualFailure.png >>> http://home.kreme.com/blackd.png >> was that the full version? > > Er, not sure what you mean by full version. It's the widescreen > movie ripped from a DVD using visual hub. It averaged about 95fps. Oops, that was MediaFork. sorry. -- Living is easy with eyes closed, misunderstanding all you see From scott at cocoadoc.com Tue Apr 3 14:31:42 2007 From: scott at cocoadoc.com (Scott Anguish) Date: Tue Apr 3 14:31:53 2007 Subject: VisualHub - quick try, major failure In-Reply-To: <263CE2EB-9938-4CB8-8F44-7EAFE17E31B3@kreme.com> References: <0412CC3A-00C0-42D0-A69D-1E1B6A5A1564@cocoadoc.com> <7B6DE553-A129-41C4-8CF1-19AC725A1972@kreme.com> <263CE2EB-9938-4CB8-8F44-7EAFE17E31B3@kreme.com> Message-ID: what I was curious about was if it was the full version of Visual Hub. On Apr 3, 2007, at 4:11 PM, LuKreme wrote: > On 3-Apr-2007, at 12:16, Scott Anguish wrote: >> On Apr 3, 2007, at 1:56 PM, LuKreme wrote: >> >>> On 3-Apr-2007, at 11:22, Scott Anguish wrote: >> >>> >>>> http://www.sanguish.com/VisualFailure.png >> >>> http://home.kreme.com/blackd.png >> was that the full version? > > Er, not sure what you mean by full version. It's the widescreen > movie ripped from a DVD using visual hub. It averaged about 95fps. > > > -- > Lister: What d'ya think of Betty? Cat: Betty Rubble? Well, I would > go with Betty... but I'd be thinking of Wilma. Lister: This is > crazy. Why are we talking about going to bed with Wilma Flintstone? > Cat: You're right. We're nuts. This is an insane conversation. > Lister: She'll never leave Fred, and we know it. > > > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-talk mailing list > MacOSX-talk@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-talk From wdkildea at hotmail.com Sun Apr 1 15:51:25 2007 From: wdkildea at hotmail.com (wdk) Date: Tue Apr 3 17:21:46 2007 Subject: 10.4.9 Update issue with USB device Message-ID: <9783024.post@talk.nabble.com> After updating the OS to 10.4.9 my iriver e10 won't apppear on the desktop or in the toolbar. Its recognised in the system profiler, its just i can't access it. I've tried switching the cable between usb ports, so it can't be those and i know its not the iriver because it works on my pc.... if anybody could help i would be very grateful -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/10.4.9-Update-issue-with-USB-device-tf3502949.html#a9783024 Sent from the OmniGroup - MacOSX-General mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From steve at paper-ape.com Tue Apr 3 19:38:44 2007 From: steve at paper-ape.com (steve harley) Date: Tue Apr 3 19:38:59 2007 Subject: 10.4.9 Update issue with USB device In-Reply-To: <9783024.post@talk.nabble.com> References: <9783024.post@talk.nabble.com> Message-ID: <46130FB4.3070003@paper-ape.com> they whom i call wdk wrote: > After updating the OS to 10.4.9 my iriver e10 won't apppear on the desktop or > in the toolbar. > Its recognised in the system profiler, its just i can't access it. there are many reports of USB problems with that update; i can't confirm it from personal experience, but some say that downloading and installing the combo updater may fix this problem (as opposed to the auto-update from 10.4.8 to 10.4.9) From scott at cocoadoc.com Tue Apr 3 21:23:57 2007 From: scott at cocoadoc.com (Scott Anguish) Date: Tue Apr 3 21:24:07 2007 Subject: VisualHub - quick try, major failure In-Reply-To: References: <0412CC3A-00C0-42D0-A69D-1E1B6A5A1564@cocoadoc.com> <7B6DE553-A129-41C4-8CF1-19AC725A1972@kreme.com> <263CE2EB-9938-4CB8-8F44-7EAFE17E31B3@kreme.com> Message-ID: <834FF6F3-D5F0-4813-ABFF-0E4D04A5FA95@cocoadoc.com> I ended up trying the same thing with HandBrake It worked (although it took more than an hour-- so a bit more than realtime) But still, I was impressed with the results. It's animation, which may lend itself to the format better.. but I'll try another disk tomorrow. From merlyn at stonehenge.com Wed Apr 4 00:35:55 2007 From: merlyn at stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz) Date: Wed Apr 4 00:36:05 2007 Subject: VisualHub - quick try, major failure In-Reply-To: <834FF6F3-D5F0-4813-ABFF-0E4D04A5FA95@cocoadoc.com> (Scott Anguish's message of "Wed, 4 Apr 2007 00:23:57 -0400") References: <0412CC3A-00C0-42D0-A69D-1E1B6A5A1564@cocoadoc.com> <7B6DE553-A129-41C4-8CF1-19AC725A1972@kreme.com> <263CE2EB-9938-4CB8-8F44-7EAFE17E31B3@kreme.com> <834FF6F3-D5F0-4813-ABFF-0E4D04A5FA95@cocoadoc.com> Message-ID: <86ejn08uck.fsf@blue.stonehenge.com> >>>>> "Scott" == Scott Anguish writes: Scott> I ended up trying the same thing with HandBrake "Same thing"? Those aren't comparable. Visual Hub does *not* have CSS-decode in it. It can't take a typical off-the-shelf DVD and do anything sensible. Perhaps that's the "scrambling" you're seeing. Handbrake *does* have the CSS-decode in it. That's *all* it knows how to do: take a CSS-encoded DVD and rip out a program. It *cannot* take an arbitrary video and convert it to anything. They're precisely complementary, and completely *not* interchangable. Perhaps that's your confusion. -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 Perl/Unix/security consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See PerlTraining.Stonehenge.com for onsite and open-enrollment Perl training! From kremels at kreme.com Wed Apr 4 02:25:10 2007 From: kremels at kreme.com (LuKreme) Date: Wed Apr 4 02:25:37 2007 Subject: VisualHub - quick try, major failure In-Reply-To: <834FF6F3-D5F0-4813-ABFF-0E4D04A5FA95@cocoadoc.com> References: <0412CC3A-00C0-42D0-A69D-1E1B6A5A1564@cocoadoc.com> <7B6DE553-A129-41C4-8CF1-19AC725A1972@kreme.com> <263CE2EB-9938-4CB8-8F44-7EAFE17E31B3@kreme.com> <834FF6F3-D5F0-4813-ABFF-0E4D04A5FA95@cocoadoc.com> Message-ID: <97B357C5-169A-4A78-ACC3-F6BE33E927E2@kreme.com> > It worked (although it took more than an hour-- so a bit more than > realtime) What hardware? I just did the extended Team America in just under an hour, and that was using dual pass, so I could have sacrificed a little bit of quality and gotten it done in 24 minutes. Not bad when the run time is 93 minutes. If I recall correctly, MediaFork was a LOT faster on a core 2 duo than HandBrake, but there is basically no difference in speed on the Mac Pro (at least in the first few minutes of encoding). -- "It was a dark and stormy night; the rain fell in torrents -- except at occasional intervals, when it was checked by a violent gust of wind which swept up the streets (for it is in London that our scene lies), rattling along the housetops, and fiercely agitating the scanty flame of the lamps that struggled against the darkness." From mrhatken at mac.com Wed Apr 4 05:41:36 2007 From: mrhatken at mac.com (Ashley Aitken) Date: Wed Apr 4 05:34:21 2007 Subject: VisualHub - quick try, major failure In-Reply-To: <97B357C5-169A-4A78-ACC3-F6BE33E927E2@kreme.com> References: <0412CC3A-00C0-42D0-A69D-1E1B6A5A1564@cocoadoc.com> <7B6DE553-A129-41C4-8CF1-19AC725A1972@kreme.com> <263CE2EB-9938-4CB8-8F44-7EAFE17E31B3@kreme.com> <834FF6F3-D5F0-4813-ABFF-0E4D04A5FA95@cocoadoc.com> <97B357C5-169A-4A78-ACC3-F6BE33E927E2@kreme.com> Message-ID: On 04/04/2007, at 5:25 PM, LuKreme wrote: >> It worked (although it took more than an hour-- so a bit more than >> realtime) > > What hardware? I just did the extended Team America in just under > an hour, and that was using dual pass, so I could have sacrificed a > little bit of quality and gotten it done in 24 minutes. Not bad > when the run time is 93 minutes. Ouch, I only have a single CPU G5 Power Mac, and it takes about 20+ hours to process a 2 hour DVD with two pass on (and average bit rate set to 2000 kps) for a H.264 encoding. I do have Anamorphic PAR set on (which sets the output to 720x572 - anamorphic 1024x572) but that is still very slow :-( Good think I can just leave it going and I don't do many of these. Oh to be stuck in single core, single CPU land. Cheers, Ashley. From kcall at mac.com Wed Apr 4 08:22:07 2007 From: kcall at mac.com (Kevin Callahan) Date: Wed Apr 4 08:22:11 2007 Subject: 8-core Xeon MacPros are out Message-ID: <588F6E7A-914B-448F-B966-F8153E729BF0@mac.com> From scott at cocoadoc.com Wed Apr 4 09:43:14 2007 From: scott at cocoadoc.com (Scott Anguish) Date: Wed Apr 4 09:43:26 2007 Subject: VisualHub - quick try, major failure In-Reply-To: <86ejn08uck.fsf@blue.stonehenge.com> References: <0412CC3A-00C0-42D0-A69D-1E1B6A5A1564@cocoadoc.com> <7B6DE553-A129-41C4-8CF1-19AC725A1972@kreme.com> <263CE2EB-9938-4CB8-8F44-7EAFE17E31B3@kreme.com> <834FF6F3-D5F0-4813-ABFF-0E4D04A5FA95@cocoadoc.com> <86ejn08uck.fsf@blue.stonehenge.com> Message-ID: On Apr 4, 2007, at 3:35 AM, Randal L. Schwartz wrote: > >> >>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>>> "Scott" == Scott Anguish writes: > > Scott> I ended up trying the same thing with HandBrake > > "Same thing"? Those aren't comparable. > > Visual Hub does *not* have CSS-decode in it. It can't take a typical > off-the-shelf DVD and do anything sensible. Perhaps that's the > "scrambling" > you're seeing. > > Handbrake *does* have the CSS-decode in it. That's *all* it knows > how to do: > take a CSS-encoded DVD and rip out a program. It *cannot* take an > arbitrary > video and convert it to anything. > > They're precisely complementary, and completely *not* interchangable. > > Perhaps that's your confusion. likely it is. their website is unclear. It says "we do DVDs", so I assumed that it was all DVDs sigh.. I hate DRM. From hexstar at gmail.com Tue Apr 3 20:12:52 2007 From: hexstar at gmail.com (Hex Star) Date: Wed Apr 4 10:36:16 2007 Subject: 10.4.9 Update issue with USB device In-Reply-To: <46130FB4.3070003@paper-ape.com> References: <9783024.post@talk.nabble.com> <46130FB4.3070003@paper-ape.com> Message-ID: <5dc6fd9e0704032012o36322c65neae74bf88f0001e2@mail.gmail.com> indeed this issue is known: http://forums.macosxhints.com/showthread.php?t=69493, I currently have a bug report filed with Apple on this issue, it's # 5062003, crossing my fingers that they fix this issue soon :-) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /mailman/archive/macosx-talk/attachments/20070403/9d0fa6a0/attachment.html From lomion at gmail.com Wed Apr 4 10:45:05 2007 From: lomion at gmail.com (Larry Sica) Date: Wed Apr 4 10:45:10 2007 Subject: 8-core Xeon MacPros are out In-Reply-To: <588F6E7A-914B-448F-B966-F8153E729BF0@mac.com> References: <588F6E7A-914B-448F-B966-F8153E729BF0@mac.com> Message-ID: <285b60ef0704041045q6f22982cxb0418f6976aec3a0@mail.gmail.com> On 4/4/07, Kevin Callahan wrote: > > I am debating on selling a kidney for one. Then I think "what would I need it for", then i think "ohhh shiny" and re-debate kidney selling. They also dropped the prices on the displays. -- Larry "there are three things to cry for in life - things that are lost, things that are found, and things that are magnificent.~douglas coupland" ------------------------------------------------ lomion@gmail.com http://www.roadtobabylon.org http://www.citruspub.net ------------------------------------------------ From shawnce at gmail.com Wed Apr 4 10:53:40 2007 From: shawnce at gmail.com (Shawn Erickson) Date: Wed Apr 4 10:53:57 2007 Subject: 8-core Xeon MacPros are out In-Reply-To: <285b60ef0704041045q6f22982cxb0418f6976aec3a0@mail.gmail.com> References: <588F6E7A-914B-448F-B966-F8153E729BF0@mac.com> <285b60ef0704041045q6f22982cxb0418f6976aec3a0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5EA40379-C240-4EC8-B929-98E461627387@gmail.com> On Apr 4, 2007, at 10:45 AM, Larry Sica wrote: > On 4/4/07, Kevin Callahan wrote: >> >> > > I am debating on selling a kidney for one. Then I think "what would I > need it for", then i think "ohhh shiny" and re-debate kidney selling. > > They also dropped the prices on the displays. If you are going for the shiny factor I would wait until summer... I bet the Mac Pros will get the new Intel chip-set around that time or Apple may wait a little bit longer for the new chip-set and 45nm Xeons. If you have use for it I would get one now (not many would have much use for 8 cores just yet). Also Mac OS X 10.4 isn't the best at efficiently using those 8 cores (given that 4 cores live behind a single bus and Tiger has no core/thread affinity capabilities active). -Shawn From kremels at kreme.com Wed Apr 4 10:57:27 2007 From: kremels at kreme.com (LuKreme) Date: Wed Apr 4 10:58:00 2007 Subject: 8-core Xeon MacPros are out In-Reply-To: <285b60ef0704041045q6f22982cxb0418f6976aec3a0@mail.gmail.com> References: <588F6E7A-914B-448F-B966-F8153E729BF0@mac.com> <285b60ef0704041045q6f22982cxb0418f6976aec3a0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5EBF440E-A6EB-4155-B5F1-EF61AA5FD0B9@kreme.com> On 4-Apr-2007, at 11:45, Larry Sica wrote: > On 4/4/07, Kevin Callahan wrote: >> > > I am debating on selling a kidney for one. Then I think "what would I > need it for", then i think "ohhh shiny" and re-debate kidney selling. LOL. I already have a MacPro, so I am planning, sometimes later this year, on just buying new processors for it. Not sure if I will go with the 2x2 or the 2x4, probably depends on just when I decide to pony up. > They also dropped the prices on the displays. are the non-octo core machines any cheaper? or did they just add the octo core above everything else? So, anyone know a good place to check prices on intel Xeon chips? -- From abridge at gmail.com Wed Apr 4 11:07:59 2007 From: abridge at gmail.com (Adam Bridge) Date: Wed Apr 4 11:08:04 2007 Subject: 8-core Xeon MacPros are out In-Reply-To: <5EA40379-C240-4EC8-B929-98E461627387@gmail.com> References: <588F6E7A-914B-448F-B966-F8153E729BF0@mac.com> <285b60ef0704041045q6f22982cxb0418f6976aec3a0@mail.gmail.com> <5EA40379-C240-4EC8-B929-98E461627387@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4cfa589b0704041107p15ec9951jf9ee8d1527e1f9b3@mail.gmail.com> As a heavy user of Photoshop and a less heavy but sometimes use of FCP, I have to wonder about how balanced the entire machine is. I look at I/O through-put, memory, disk, and wonder if, in the real world, one of the 8 core machines will REALLY make an appreciable difference. Has Adobe broken down the filtering to use all those cores? Is memory bandwidth elegantly enough handled to let them do it? Is the disk I/O sub-system fast enough to let me be doing intense filtering on three or four images at once (like I do this already? no..... but I'm grappling with a way in which I might use it.) Or how about doing compression of video for DVD production. What's the through-put difference between this machine and a quad-core. Can it handle two streams of compression at once instead of just one? Or maybe this is really for serious number crunching only? I'll be REALLY interested in how one of these puppies gets benchmarked because finding out where the hardware and software bottlenecks are might be non-trivial. From lomion at gmail.com Wed Apr 4 15:16:56 2007 From: lomion at gmail.com (Larry Sica) Date: Wed Apr 4 15:17:01 2007 Subject: 8-core Xeon MacPros are out In-Reply-To: <5EA40379-C240-4EC8-B929-98E461627387@gmail.com> References: <588F6E7A-914B-448F-B966-F8153E729BF0@mac.com> <285b60ef0704041045q6f22982cxb0418f6976aec3a0@mail.gmail.com> <5EA40379-C240-4EC8-B929-98E461627387@gmail.com> Message-ID: <285b60ef0704041516r45533848i3f4d45a038129cf6@mail.gmail.com> On 4/4/07, Shawn Erickson wrote: > > On Apr 4, 2007, at 10:45 AM, Larry Sica wrote: > > > On 4/4/07, Kevin Callahan wrote: > >> > >> > > > > I am debating on selling a kidney for one. Then I think "what would I > > need it for", then i think "ohhh shiny" and re-debate kidney selling. > > > > They also dropped the prices on the displays. > > If you are going for the shiny factor I would wait until summer... I > bet the Mac Pros will get the new Intel chip-set around that time or > Apple may wait a little bit longer for the new chip-set and 45nm Xeons. > Killjoy ;) In all seriousness, I am definitely waiting a bit to see how the numbers shake out and to see feedback from users. The video stuff interests me as I do some transcoding. And for aperture and photoshop I am curious since I use both. -- Larry "there are three things to cry for in life - things that are lost, things that are found, and things that are magnificent.~douglas coupland" ------------------------------------------------ lomion@gmail.com http://www.roadtobabylon.org http://www.citruspub.net ------------------------------------------------ From abridge at gmail.com Wed Apr 4 16:17:32 2007 From: abridge at gmail.com (Adam Bridge) Date: Wed Apr 4 16:17:36 2007 Subject: 8-core Xeon MacPros are out In-Reply-To: <285b60ef0704041516r45533848i3f4d45a038129cf6@mail.gmail.com> References: <588F6E7A-914B-448F-B966-F8153E729BF0@mac.com> <285b60ef0704041045q6f22982cxb0418f6976aec3a0@mail.gmail.com> <5EA40379-C240-4EC8-B929-98E461627387@gmail.com> <285b60ef0704041516r45533848i3f4d45a038129cf6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4cfa589b0704041617j5bb90583qdb4b6244802ba1c3@mail.gmail.com> I use Aperture and Lightroom -- I'd use Aperture but Apple can't be bothered to support DNG properly so my Leica M8 is unsupported without a hack and not a good hack at that. So Lightroom gets the nod since, golly gee whiz, Adobe DOES care to support DNG properly. I'm hoping that Apple MIGHT, someday, suppport the M8 but in reality, for a "professional" application, they have made a not-so-good start. Sigh. I'd REALLY like to use it for all my images. And it supports my 1Ds MKII just fine. Maybe Leica didn't pay them. Anyway...back to 8 cores.... Adam On 4/4/07, Larry Sica wrote: > On 4/4/07, Shawn Erickson wrote: > > > > On Apr 4, 2007, at 10:45 AM, Larry Sica wrote: > > > > > On 4/4/07, Kevin Callahan wrote: > > >> > > >> > > > > > > I am debating on selling a kidney for one. Then I think "what would I > > > need it for", then i think "ohhh shiny" and re-debate kidney selling. > > > > > > They also dropped the prices on the displays. > > > > If you are going for the shiny factor I would wait until summer... I > > bet the Mac Pros will get the new Intel chip-set around that time or > > Apple may wait a little bit longer for the new chip-set and 45nm Xeons. > > > > Killjoy ;) > > In all seriousness, I am definitely waiting a bit to see how the > numbers shake out and to see feedback from users. > > The video stuff interests me as I do some transcoding. And for > aperture and photoshop I am curious since I use both. > > -- Larry > "there are three things to cry for in life - things that are lost, > things that are found, and things that are magnificent.~douglas > coupland" > > ------------------------------------------------ > lomion@gmail.com > http://www.roadtobabylon.org > http://www.citruspub.net > ------------------------------------------------ > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-talk mailing list > MacOSX-talk@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-talk > From scott at maxify.com Wed Apr 4 21:17:47 2007 From: scott at maxify.com (Scott Stevenson) Date: Wed Apr 4 21:18:08 2007 Subject: 8-core Xeon MacPros are out In-Reply-To: <5EA40379-C240-4EC8-B929-98E461627387@gmail.com> References: <588F6E7A-914B-448F-B966-F8153E729BF0@mac.com> <285b60ef0704041045q6f22982cxb0418f6976aec3a0@mail.gmail.com> <5EA40379-C240-4EC8-B929-98E461627387@gmail.com> Message-ID: <9458E83C-448E-493D-9872-BF8F9E700238@maxify.com> On Apr 4, 2007, at 10:53 AM, Shawn Erickson wrote: > If you are going for the shiny factor I would wait until summer... > I bet the Mac Pros will get the new Intel chip-set around that time > or Apple may wait a little bit longer for the new chip-set and 45nm > Xeons. 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And then it comes out and I wonder what else Steve has around the corner, so I keep on waiting. One of these days, the God of all Macs will be released and I'll be ready to buy! -Andy From scott at cocoadoc.com Wed Apr 4 23:22:03 2007 From: scott at cocoadoc.com (Scott Anguish) Date: Wed Apr 4 23:22:11 2007 Subject: PLEASE tell me there is a simple Math formula editor out there Message-ID: <6C23898E-05B0-4134-A3DE-BBAD7BD8B668@cocoadoc.com> Something that will let me whip up stuff like this -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: equation01.gif Type: image/gif Size: 818 bytes Desc: not available Url : /mailman/archive/macosx-talk/attachments/20070405/4b005412/equation01.gif -------------- next part -------------- and other similar things.. I'll slap the first person that says Latex... From scott at maxify.com Wed Apr 4 23:30:24 2007 From: scott at maxify.com (Scott Stevenson) Date: Wed Apr 4 23:30:34 2007 Subject: PLEASE tell me there is a simple Math formula editor out there In-Reply-To: <6C23898E-05B0-4134-A3DE-BBAD7BD8B668@cocoadoc.com> References: <6C23898E-05B0-4134-A3DE-BBAD7BD8B668@cocoadoc.com> Message-ID: On Apr 4, 2007, at 11:22 PM, Scott Anguish wrote: > Something that will let me whip up stuff like this > > > > and other similar things.. /Applications/Utilities/Grapher? :) In particular, Window > Show Equation Palette. - Scott -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /mailman/archive/macosx-talk/attachments/20070404/0abd8ac7/attachment.html From aglee at mac.com Wed Apr 4 23:34:54 2007 From: aglee at mac.com (Andy Lee) Date: Wed Apr 4 23:35:16 2007 Subject: PLEASE tell me there is a simple Math formula editor out there In-Reply-To: <6C23898E-05B0-4134-A3DE-BBAD7BD8B668@cocoadoc.com> References: <6C23898E-05B0-4134-A3DE-BBAD7BD8B668@cocoadoc.com> Message-ID: <4E90D555-C854-4B63-BBF1-B527204E0EAD@mac.com> On Apr 5, 2007, at 2:22 AM, Scott Anguish wrote: > Something that will let me whip up stuff like this My math isn't good enough to tell if this does exactly what you want, but apparently you can use /Applications/Utilities/Grapher.app: > I'll slap the first person that says Latex... Er, in that case, please don't read any of the comments in the web page I just mentioned. --Andy From vze23mcb at verizon.net Wed Apr 4 23:46:37 2007 From: vze23mcb at verizon.net (Robert Marini) Date: Wed Apr 4 23:46:40 2007 Subject: PLEASE tell me there is a simple Math formula editor out there In-Reply-To: <4E90D555-C854-4B63-BBF1-B527204E0EAD@mac.com> References: <6C23898E-05B0-4134-A3DE-BBAD7BD8B668@cocoadoc.com> <4E90D555-C854-4B63-BBF1-B527204E0EAD@mac.com> Message-ID: <915FDF2A-3357-48E0-BF1F-42A0E337955D@verizon.net> MathType and MathMagic will do what you're looking for. If you're unafraid of experimenting, latexit works nicely too (and is free). rob On Apr 5, 2007, at 2:34 AM, Andy Lee wrote: > On Apr 5, 2007, at 2:22 AM, Scott Anguish wrote: >> Something that will let me whip up stuff like this > > My math isn't good enough to tell if this does exactly what you > want, but apparently you can use /Applications/Utilities/Grapher.app: > > > >> I'll slap the first person that says Latex... > > Er, in that case, please don't read any of the comments in the web > page I just mentioned. > > --Andy > > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-talk mailing list > MacOSX-talk@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-talk From scott at cocoadoc.com Thu Apr 5 00:14:22 2007 From: scott at cocoadoc.com (Scott Anguish) Date: Thu Apr 5 00:14:26 2007 Subject: PLEASE tell me there is a simple Math formula editor out there In-Reply-To: <915FDF2A-3357-48E0-BF1F-42A0E337955D@verizon.net> References: <6C23898E-05B0-4134-A3DE-BBAD7BD8B668@cocoadoc.com> <4E90D555-C854-4B63-BBF1-B527204E0EAD@mac.com> <915FDF2A-3357-48E0-BF1F-42A0E337955D@verizon.net> Message-ID: On Apr 5, 2007, at 2:46 AM, Robert Marini wrote: > MathType and MathMagic will do what you're looking for. I'm not sure that I can get these purchased for this small a project. it may end up having to be done by hand. > If you're unafraid of experimenting, latexit works nicely too (and > is free). yeah, but you had to install a bunch of other stuff... and I'm looking for other alternatives first. I think Word might have it in it.. the PC version seems to. both machines here with word on them are sleeping... and I can't get auth to wake them up till morning From scott at cocoadoc.com Thu Apr 5 00:24:44 2007 From: scott at cocoadoc.com (Scott Anguish) Date: Thu Apr 5 00:24:51 2007 Subject: VisualHub - quick try, major failure In-Reply-To: <97B357C5-169A-4A78-ACC3-F6BE33E927E2@kreme.com> References: <0412CC3A-00C0-42D0-A69D-1E1B6A5A1564@cocoadoc.com> <7B6DE553-A129-41C4-8CF1-19AC725A1972@kreme.com> <263CE2EB-9938-4CB8-8F44-7EAFE17E31B3@kreme.com> <834FF6F3-D5F0-4813-ABFF-0E4D04A5FA95@cocoadoc.com> <97B357C5-169A-4A78-ACC3-F6BE33E927E2@kreme.com> Message-ID: <0ED0213F-F4E3-453B-BEE5-71D292462358@cocoadoc.com> On Apr 4, 2007, at 5:25 AM, LuKreme wrote: > What hardware? Current issue, high end (snort) Mac Mini it was an idle machine. > I just did the extended Team America in just under an hour, and > that was using dual pass, so I could have sacrificed a little bit of > quality and gotten it done in 24 minutes. Not bad when the run time > is 93 minutes. The problem I'm facing is that I don't want to sacrifice quality. Which may make this impossible for the office and media room. From vze23mcb at verizon.net Thu Apr 5 00:25:51 2007 From: vze23mcb at verizon.net (Robert Marini) Date: Thu Apr 5 00:26:22 2007 Subject: PLEASE tell me there is a simple Math formula editor out there In-Reply-To: References: <6C23898E-05B0-4134-A3DE-BBAD7BD8B668@cocoadoc.com> <4E90D555-C854-4B63-BBF1-B527204E0EAD@mac.com> <915FDF2A-3357-48E0-BF1F-42A0E337955D@verizon.net> Message-ID: <4653154E-7D0B-4240-BB18-3077CC115537@verizon.net> Word has it - I don't know if the OS X version of word installs it by default (I know Word 2007 on Windows doesn't). It's referred to as Equation Editor in there. For LaTeXiT - http://www.tug.org/mactex/ using a customized installation of the MacTex distribution (in the package installation screen, hit customize just before starting the install) will give you LaTeXiT. Otherwise you just need to get the i-Installer of Latex (http://ii2.sourceforge.net/) and then LaTeXiT should run fine. rob On Apr 5, 2007, at 3:14 AM, Scott Anguish wrote: > > On Apr 5, 2007, at 2:46 AM, Robert Marini wrote: > >> MathType and MathMagic will do what you're looking for. > > I'm not sure that I can get these purchased for this small a > project. it may end up having to be done by hand. > >> If you're unafraid of experimenting, latexit works nicely too >> (and is free). > > yeah, but you had to install a bunch of other stuff... and I'm > looking for other alternatives first. > > I think Word might have it in it.. the PC version seems to. both > machines here with word on them are sleeping... and I can't get > auth to wake them up till morning > > > > > > From gregor.alessi at mac.com Thu Apr 5 02:33:43 2007 From: gregor.alessi at mac.com (Gregor Alessi) Date: Thu Apr 5 02:33:55 2007 Subject: PLEASE tell me there is a simple Math formula editor out there In-Reply-To: <6C23898E-05B0-4134-A3DE-BBAD7BD8B668@cocoadoc.com> References: <6C23898E-05B0-4134-A3DE-BBAD7BD8B668@cocoadoc.com> Message-ID: <4534C6CF-A0D2-47C0-9173-E8DEAF0BB408@mac.com> On 05.04.2007, at 08:22, Scott Anguish wrote: > Something that will let me whip up stuff like this > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Regards Gregor From mrhatken at mac.com Thu Apr 5 02:37:15 2007 From: mrhatken at mac.com (Ashley Aitken) Date: Thu Apr 5 02:37:57 2007 Subject: PLEASE tell me there is a simple Math formula editor out there In-Reply-To: <4653154E-7D0B-4240-BB18-3077CC115537@verizon.net> References: <6C23898E-05B0-4134-A3DE-BBAD7BD8B668@cocoadoc.com> <4E90D555-C854-4B63-BBF1-B527204E0EAD@mac.com> <915FDF2A-3357-48E0-BF1F-42A0E337955D@verizon.net> <4653154E-7D0B-4240-BB18-3077CC115537@verizon.net> Message-ID: <8EA4F464-85F8-4781-B007-A00733CA920F@mac.com> On 05/04/2007, at 3:25 PM, Robert Marini wrote: > Word has it - I don't know if the OS X version of word installs it > by default (I know Word 2007 on Windows doesn't). It's referred to > as Equation Editor in there. Yes, it seems to have installed it on the version I use. Insert > Object ... > Microsoft Equation Now, please don't tell me you (Scott) have an aversion to using Word as well ... Cheers, Ashley. From gerard_iglesias at mac.com Thu Apr 5 02:45:48 2007 From: gerard_iglesias at mac.com (=?UTF-8?Q?G=C3=A9rard_Iglesias?=) Date: Thu Apr 5 02:46:02 2007 Subject: PLEASE tell me there is a simple Math formula editor out there In-Reply-To: <6C23898E-05B0-4134-A3DE-BBAD7BD8B668@cocoadoc.com> References: <6C23898E-05B0-4134-A3DE-BBAD7BD8B668@cocoadoc.com> Message-ID: <82520AB5-0111-1000-AF32-EB9C6B532259-Webmail-10013@mac.com> ConTeX >I'll slap the first person that says Latex... From lomion at gmail.com Thu Apr 5 04:03:47 2007 From: lomion at gmail.com (Larry Sica) Date: Thu Apr 5 04:03:51 2007 Subject: 8-core Xeon MacPros are out In-Reply-To: <4cfa589b0704041617j5bb90583qdb4b6244802ba1c3@mail.gmail.com> References: <588F6E7A-914B-448F-B966-F8153E729BF0@mac.com> <285b60ef0704041045q6f22982cxb0418f6976aec3a0@mail.gmail.com> <5EA40379-C240-4EC8-B929-98E461627387@gmail.com> <285b60ef0704041516r45533848i3f4d45a038129cf6@mail.gmail.com> <4cfa589b0704041617j5bb90583qdb4b6244802ba1c3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <285b60ef0704050403u16687448jc20d688f942ba5e2@mail.gmail.com> On 4/4/07, Adam Bridge wrote: > I use Aperture and Lightroom -- I'd use Aperture but Apple can't be > bothered to support DNG properly so my Leica M8 is unsupported without > a hack and not a good hack at that. So Lightroom gets the nod since, > golly gee whiz, Adobe DOES care to support DNG properly. > Adobe created DNG, so of course they support it. Aperture does need more support though, they did just add a bunch of cameras. Hopefully they will add more soon. -- Larry "there are three things to cry for in life - things that are lost, things that are found, and things that are magnificent.~douglas coupland" ------------------------------------------------ lomion@gmail.com http://www.roadtobabylon.org http://www.citruspub.net ------------------------------------------------ From kremels at kreme.com Thu Apr 5 07:50:11 2007 From: kremels at kreme.com (LuKreme) Date: Thu Apr 5 07:50:28 2007 Subject: PLEASE tell me there is a simple Math formula editor out there In-Reply-To: <6C23898E-05B0-4134-A3DE-BBAD7BD8B668@cocoadoc.com> References: <6C23898E-05B0-4134-A3DE-BBAD7BD8B668@cocoadoc.com> Message-ID: On 5-Apr-2007, at 00:22, Scott Anguish wrote: > Something that will let me whip up stuff like this Simple? > and other similar things.. > > I'll slap the first person that says Latex... It's 1) Spelt LaTeX 2) not exactly simple. However, it's the only thing that I've ever found taht does really good math typesetting. And it's at least as simple as the math involved in something like that. -- "I program Windows - of course it isn't safe." - Meski From kremels at kreme.com Thu Apr 5 07:52:25 2007 From: kremels at kreme.com (LuKreme) Date: Thu Apr 5 07:52:38 2007 Subject: PLEASE tell me there is a simple Math formula editor out there In-Reply-To: References: <6C23898E-05B0-4134-A3DE-BBAD7BD8B668@cocoadoc.com> <4E90D555-C854-4B63-BBF1-B527204E0EAD@mac.com> <915FDF2A-3357-48E0-BF1F-42A0E337955D@verizon.net> Message-ID: On 5-Apr-2007, at 01:14, Scott Anguish wrote: > I think Word might have it in it.. the PC version seems to. both > machines here with word on them are sleeping... and I can't get > auth to wake them up till morning Thought you said simple? Unless Word's Equation editor has changed dramatically (and I think I would have heard if it had), it is 1) horrible to work with 2) crash prone 3) produces really crappy output and 4) is at least as difficult to work with as LaTeX. -- The trouble with being a god is that you've got no one to pray to. From list-omnigroup at fsck.net Thu Apr 5 08:23:14 2007 From: list-omnigroup at fsck.net (Eugene Lee) Date: Thu Apr 5 08:23:20 2007 Subject: 8-core Xeon MacPros are out In-Reply-To: <588F6E7A-914B-448F-B966-F8153E729BF0@mac.com> References: <588F6E7A-914B-448F-B966-F8153E729BF0@mac.com> Message-ID: <20070405152314.GF21512@user-12lmfba.cable.mindspring.com> On Wed, Apr 04, 2007 at 10:22:07AM CDT, Kevin Callahan wrote: : : I'm waiting on a quad-core MacBook Pro... -- Eugene http://www.coxar.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/ From kcall at mac.com Thu Apr 5 09:12:32 2007 From: kcall at mac.com (Kevin Callahan) Date: Thu Apr 5 09:12:37 2007 Subject: cold start took more than two minutes (Mossberg) Message-ID: <188E0B73-7B44-4F2F-9D22-4CCDEF89C886@mac.com> Using Even New PCs Is Ruined by a Tangle Of Trial Programs, Ads I also was shocked at how long this machine took to restart and to do a cold start after being completely shut down. Restarting took over three minutes, and a cold start took more than two minutes. That suggests the computer is loading a bunch of stuff I neither know about nor want. By contrast, a brand new Apple MacBook laptop, under the same test conditions, restarted in 34 seconds and did a cold start in 29 seconds. From scott at cocoadoc.com Thu Apr 5 09:18:26 2007 From: scott at cocoadoc.com (Scott Anguish) Date: Thu Apr 5 09:18:32 2007 Subject: PLEASE tell me there is a simple Math formula editor out there In-Reply-To: <8EA4F464-85F8-4781-B007-A00733CA920F@mac.com> References: <6C23898E-05B0-4134-A3DE-BBAD7BD8B668@cocoadoc.com> <4E90D555-C854-4B63-BBF1-B527204E0EAD@mac.com> <915FDF2A-3357-48E0-BF1F-42A0E337955D@verizon.net> <4653154E-7D0B-4240-BB18-3077CC115537@verizon.net> <8EA4F464-85F8-4781-B007-A00733CA920F@mac.com> Message-ID: <860B1313-2B6E-4E02-A6AC-BC0E88F451CF@cocoadoc.com> On Apr 5, 2007, at 5:37 AM, Ashley Aitken wrote: > > On 05/04/2007, at 3:25 PM, Robert Marini wrote: > >> Word has it - I don't know if the OS X version of word installs it >> by default (I know Word 2007 on Windows doesn't). It's referred to >> as Equation Editor in there. > > Yes, it seems to have installed it on the version I use. > > Insert > Object ... > Microsoft Equation > > Now, please don't tell me you (Scott) have an aversion to using Word > as well ... > I do, but for this I'll use it anyways. It'll save time. From scott at cocoadoc.com Thu Apr 5 09:19:13 2007 From: scott at cocoadoc.com (Scott Anguish) Date: Thu Apr 5 09:19:19 2007 Subject: PLEASE tell me there is a simple Math formula editor out there In-Reply-To: <8EA4F464-85F8-4781-B007-A00733CA920F@mac.com> References: <6C23898E-05B0-4134-A3DE-BBAD7BD8B668@cocoadoc.com> <4E90D555-C854-4B63-BBF1-B527204E0EAD@mac.com> <915FDF2A-3357-48E0-BF1F-42A0E337955D@verizon.net> <4653154E-7D0B-4240-BB18-3077CC115537@verizon.net> <8EA4F464-85F8-4781-B007-A00733CA920F@mac.com> Message-ID: <44BBC4DD-36C3-4182-A03E-D52BAC349208@cocoadoc.com> oh, and I don't have an aversion to LaTex. Just lack the time to learn it for this project. On Apr 5, 2007, at 5:37 AM, Ashley Aitken wrote: > > On 05/04/2007, at 3:25 PM, Robert Marini wrote: > >> Word has it - I don't know if the OS X version of word installs it >> by default (I know Word 2007 on Windows doesn't). It's referred to >> as Equation Editor in there. > > Yes, it seems to have installed it on the version I use. > > Insert > Object ... > Microsoft Equation > > Now, please don't tell me you (Scott) have an aversion to using Word > as well ... > > Cheers, > Ashley. From mrhatken at mac.com Thu Apr 5 09:46:44 2007 From: mrhatken at mac.com (Ashley Aitken) Date: Thu Apr 5 09:47:55 2007 Subject: PLEASE tell me there is a simple Math formula editor out there In-Reply-To: <44BBC4DD-36C3-4182-A03E-D52BAC349208@cocoadoc.com> References: <6C23898E-05B0-4134-A3DE-BBAD7BD8B668@cocoadoc.com> <4E90D555-C854-4B63-BBF1-B527204E0EAD@mac.com> <915FDF2A-3357-48E0-BF1F-42A0E337955D@verizon.net> <4653154E-7D0B-4240-BB18-3077CC115537@verizon.net> <8EA4F464-85F8-4781-B007-A00733CA920F@mac.com> <44BBC4DD-36C3-4182-A03E-D52BAC349208@cocoadoc.com> Message-ID: On 06/04/2007, at 12:19 AM, Scott Anguish wrote: > oh, and I don't have an aversion to LaTex. Just lack the time to > learn it for this project. Yes, of course. How could you have an aversion to writing something like this: \[\left(\!\!\! \begin{array}{c} n \\ r \end{array} \!\!\!\right) = {^n}C_r = \frac{n!}{r!(n-r)!} \] to get output like this -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: hspacing8.png Type: image/png Size: 2261 bytes Desc: not available Url : /mailman/archive/macosx-talk/attachments/20070406/cdedadd4/hspacing8.png -------------- next part -------------- or perhaps \begin{equation} A_{m,n} = \begin{pmatrix} a_{1,1} & a_{1,2} & \cdots & a_{1,n} \\ a_{2,1} & a_{2,2} & \cdots & a_{2,n} \\ \vdots & \vdots & \ddots & \vdots \\ a_{m,1} & a_{m,2} & \cdots & a_{m,n} \\ \end{pmatrix} \end{equation} and I haven't even included the rest of the latex document setup etc. Don't get me wrong, its all very logical and latex does wonderful typesetting, and if all I was ever doing was writing maths or physics journal papers I would probably use it. But otherwise, Word's equation editor does just fine. Cheers, Ashley. From jswitte at bloomington.in.us Thu Apr 5 09:58:08 2007 From: jswitte at bloomington.in.us (Jim Witte) Date: Thu Apr 5 09:58:12 2007 Subject: cold start took more than two minutes (Mossberg) In-Reply-To: <188E0B73-7B44-4F2F-9D22-4CCDEF89C886@mac.com> References: <188E0B73-7B44-4F2F-9D22-4CCDEF89C886@mac.com> Message-ID: <42F57A22-AF54-4F71-93A6-E3DB9648074F@bloomington.in.us> On Apr 5, 2007, at 12:12 PM, Kevin Callahan wrote: > I also was shocked at how long this machine took to restart and to > do a cold start after being completely shut down. Restarting took > over three minutes, and a cold I wonder, how long would it have taken if booted under Boot Camp? Of course, then it wouldn't have all the "teaser software" and ad- ware on it - just Windows Vista or whatever. But it would give an indication of just how slow *windows itself* is booting, loading hundreds or thousands of dll's.. Of course MacOSX probably loads hundreds of various Darwin kernal files, and then bunches of it's own extensions/frameworks during the boot-process too.. Sigh - how fast could computers start up if software engineers *really* tightened up the startup process? My Newton (mind you, not really all that powerful, woe-fully out-of-date, but the OS is completely memory-resident) will restart (or cold-boot, they are the same) in about 10 seconds, not counting package loading. It wakes from sleep in less than a second (like an iPod, which also has a completely memory resident OS - or perhaps almost). If I want it to load all the packages required for internet access, wireless access, bluetooth, the MP3 driver and player, web browser, mail program, native QD driver and a few games, the cold-boot time probably goes up to about a minute or less. Perhaps faster if you have a faster memory card, or an overclocked Newt (or a tablet PC running Einstein, except Einstein takes a $#@%-load of memory and processor power to even run at about the same speed as an MP2100 - at least I think it still does). From shacker at birdhouse.org Thu Apr 5 10:05:05 2007 From: shacker at birdhouse.org (Scot Hacker) Date: Thu Apr 5 10:04:20 2007 Subject: cold start took more than two minutes (Mossberg) In-Reply-To: <42F57A22-AF54-4F71-93A6-E3DB9648074F@bloomington.in.us> References: <188E0B73-7B44-4F2F-9D22-4CCDEF89C886@mac.com> <42F57A22-AF54-4F71-93A6-E3DB9648074F@bloomington.in.us> Message-ID: <70AE12E2-613F-4E08-8774-BA38350CB7B7@birdhouse.org> On Apr 5, 2007, at 9:58 AM, Jim Witte wrote: > Sigh - how fast could computers start up if software engineers > *really* tightened up the startup process? Those of us who lived through the BeOS glory days still fondly remember 15-second cold boot times (to full OS readiness) on mid- grade x86 hardware seven years ago. So the answer to your question is "a lot." But I also wouldn't be surprised if BeOS boot times would have slowed down as the OS evolved over time. ./s -- >>> Birdhouse Hosting <<< Customized web and mail solutions http://hosting.birdhouse.org/ From vze23mcb at verizon.net Thu Apr 5 10:07:07 2007 From: vze23mcb at verizon.net (Robert Marini) Date: Thu Apr 5 10:05:47 2007 Subject: PLEASE tell me there is a simple Math formula editor out there In-Reply-To: References: <6C23898E-05B0-4134-A3DE-BBAD7BD8B668@cocoadoc.com> <4E90D555-C854-4B63-BBF1-B527204E0EAD@mac.com> <915FDF2A-3357-48E0-BF1F-42A0E337955D@verizon.net> <4653154E-7D0B-4240-BB18-3077CC115537@verizon.net> <8EA4F464-85F8-4781-B007-A00733CA920F@mac.com> <44BBC4DD-36C3-4182-A03E-D52BAC349208@cocoadoc.com> Message-ID: <7E6EA3FD-E1DC-4967-A44F-4E56DC84AB1C@verizon.net> You could use MathMagic's 30 day trial. I've found it to be more mac like than word's built-in editor. rob On Apr 5, 2007, at 12:46 PM, Ashley Aitken wrote: > > On 06/04/2007, at 12:19 AM, Scott Anguish wrote: > >> oh, and I don't have an aversion to LaTex. Just lack the time to >> learn it for this project. > > Yes, of course. > > How could you have an aversion to writing something like this: > > \[\left(\!\!\! > \begin{array}{c} > n \\ > r > \end{array} > \!\!\!\right) = {^n}C_r = \frac{n!}{r!(n-r)!} > \] > > to get output like this > > > > or perhaps > > \begin{equation} > A_{m,n} = > \begin{pmatrix} > a_{1,1} & a_{1,2} & \cdots & a_{1,n} \\ > a_{2,1} & a_{2,2} & \cdots & a_{2,n} \\ > \vdots & \vdots & \ddots & \vdots \\ > a_{m,1} & a_{m,2} & \cdots & a_{m,n} \\ > \end{pmatrix} > \end{equation} > > and I haven't even included the rest of the latex document setup etc. > > Don't get me wrong, its all very logical and latex does wonderful > typesetting, and if all I was ever doing was writing maths or > physics journal papers I would probably use it. > > But otherwise, Word's equation editor does just fine. > > Cheers, > Ashley. > > > > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-talk mailing list > MacOSX-talk@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-talk From matthew.penna at gmail.com Thu Apr 5 10:19:05 2007 From: matthew.penna at gmail.com (Matt Penna) Date: Thu Apr 5 10:19:11 2007 Subject: cold start took more than two minutes (Mossberg) In-Reply-To: <188E0B73-7B44-4F2F-9D22-4CCDEF89C886@mac.com> References: <188E0B73-7B44-4F2F-9D22-4CCDEF89C886@mac.com> Message-ID: <6C06E4B7-840C-4D06-8480-B4EA12473445@gmail.com> On Apr 5, 2007, at 12:12 PM, Kevin Callahan wrote: > Using Even New PCs > Is Ruined by a Tangle > Of Trial Programs, Ads > > I also was shocked at how long this machine took to restart and to > do a cold start after being completely shut down. Restarting took > over three minutes, and a cold start took more than two minutes. > That suggests the computer is loading a bunch of stuff I neither > know about nor want. By contrast, a brand new Apple MacBook laptop, > under the same test conditions, restarted in 34 seconds and did a > cold start in 29 seconds. Long load times are typical of most new PCs out of the box. The morass of trial software and useless programs that load on startup on most new machines is staggering. There was an article a couple of years ago about Windows PCs that were advertised as being optimized/best for games, but in actuality performed terribly in their default configurations because of all the garbage that was preloaded on them that sucked up CPU cycles and RAM. My own experience has borne this out time and time again. Whenever someone I know orders a new machine, the first thing I do for them is wipe the drive out and re-install Windows myself, skipping over all of the junk that came preloaded. There were a couple of times at the office when I was short on time and tried to make do with the default configuration, and I lived to regret it. Systems exhibited bizarre behavior that was difficult to troubleshoot - momentary freezes of the interface, unpredictable program interactions, and endless dialog boxes popping up from various programs that sit in the system tray. It's a jungle out there. When I switched to the Mac, it took some time to get used to the fact that I didn't need to reload the system after it arrived on my doorstep; I could just get to work. It may have seemed like hyperbole, but the Get a Mac ad where PC says he has to delete the trial software on his hard drive before doing anything constructive is right on the money. Some PC vendors are better than others, but I can't say anything good in this regard about Dell, Gateway, or HP. I like it here, thanks. :) Matt -- Matt Penna matthew.penna@gmail.com AIM: S0ba ICQ: 399825 "The trouble with computers, of course, is that they're very sophisticated idiots." -Dr. Who From kcall at mac.com Thu Apr 5 10:55:57 2007 From: kcall at mac.com (Kevin Callahan) Date: Thu Apr 5 10:56:02 2007 Subject: Google Earth (contextual menu launch) Message-ID: <3B40945C-4614-4171-9FE5-FC7CB4952E30@mac.com> Anybody know if there's a contextual menu plugin that allows one to select an address in any text document and launch that address in Google Earth? K From topher at thehundredacre.net Thu Apr 5 11:46:51 2007 From: topher at thehundredacre.net (Christopher Bort) Date: Thu Apr 5 11:47:45 2007 Subject: PLEASE tell me there is a simple Math formula editor out there In-Reply-To: <6C23898E-05B0-4134-A3DE-BBAD7BD8B668@cocoadoc.com> Message-ID: On 04/05/07 23:22, scott@cocoadoc.com (Scott Anguish) wrote: >Something that will let me whip up stuff like this > >----- >and other similar things.. > >I'll slap the first person that says Latex... One more FOSS alternative: OpenOffice.org Math -- Christopher Bort From steve at paper-ape.com Thu Apr 5 14:05:45 2007 From: steve at paper-ape.com (steve harley) Date: Thu Apr 5 14:06:19 2007 Subject: cold start took more than two minutes (Mossberg) In-Reply-To: <42F57A22-AF54-4F71-93A6-E3DB9648074F@bloomington.in.us> References: <188E0B73-7B44-4F2F-9D22-4CCDEF89C886@mac.com> <42F57A22-AF54-4F71-93A6-E3DB9648074F@bloomington.in.us> Message-ID: <461564A9.600@paper-ape.com> they whom i call Jim Witte wrote: > Sigh - how fast could computers start up if software engineers > *really* tightened up the startup process? personally, i don't care that much; i don't restart very often (though Rosetta seems to gobble VM in a way that makes me restart twice a week or so) and regarding Apple TV, isn't it something you leave on, like TiVo? i restart my TiVos twice a year or so (when they hang); takes several minutes, but doesn't bother me From steve at paper-ape.com Thu Apr 5 14:36:00 2007 From: steve at paper-ape.com (steve harley) Date: Thu Apr 5 14:36:09 2007 Subject: Google Earth (contextual menu launch) In-Reply-To: <3B40945C-4614-4171-9FE5-FC7CB4952E30@mac.com> References: <3B40945C-4614-4171-9FE5-FC7CB4952E30@mac.com> Message-ID: <46156BC0.9090004@paper-ape.com> they whom i call Kevin Callahan wrote: > Anybody know if there's a contextual menu plugin that allows one to > select an address in any text document and launch that address in Google > Earth? On My Command has an example that queries Google Maps for Madrid, Spain; it shouldn't be too hard to modify this, or build your own contextual menu: see #510 on this page: From steve at paper-ape.com Thu Apr 5 16:40:37 2007 From: steve at paper-ape.com (steve harley) Date: Thu Apr 5 16:40:58 2007 Subject: Google Earth (contextual menu launch) In-Reply-To: <46156BC0.9090004@paper-ape.com> References: <3B40945C-4614-4171-9FE5-FC7CB4952E30@mac.com> <46156BC0.9090004@paper-ape.com> Message-ID: <461588F5.2020106@paper-ape.com> they whom i call myself wrote: > they whom i call Kevin Callahan wrote: >> Anybody know if there's a contextual menu plugin that allows one to >> select an address in any text document and launch that address in >> Google Earth? > > On My Command has an example that queries Google Maps for Madrid, Spain; > it shouldn't be too hard to modify this, or build your own contextual menu: despite the fact i'm taking a GIS class, Kevin nudged me that i had once again scrambled Google's mapping tools in my brain -- he wanted Google Earth, not Google Maps; to get an address geocoded into Google Earth i think you'll need to create a kml file; so i'd suggest using On My Command to: 1) pass the selected address text to a script (in the language of your choice); the script will then: 2) splice the address into simple kml template name here if you want 1
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 3) save the kml text into a temp file with extension .kml 4) open the .kml file, which should launch Google Earth, geocode the address (if it's well-formed), and create an item in the Places pane 5) not sure how to automatically fly the display to the new place (can be done with AppleScript if you know latitude & longitude), but the user can simply double-click the new place From chad at objectwerks.com Thu Apr 5 18:34:31 2007 From: chad at objectwerks.com (Chad Leigh -- ObjectWerks Inc) Date: Thu Apr 5 18:34:46 2007 Subject: VisualHub - quick try, major failure In-Reply-To: <0ED0213F-F4E3-453B-BEE5-71D292462358@cocoadoc.com> References: <0412CC3A-00C0-42D0-A69D-1E1B6A5A1564@cocoadoc.com> <7B6DE553-A129-41C4-8CF1-19AC725A1972@kreme.com> <263CE2EB-9938-4CB8-8F44-7EAFE17E31B3@kreme.com> <834FF6F3-D5F0-4813-ABFF-0E4D04A5FA95@cocoadoc.com> <97B357C5-169A-4A78-ACC3-F6BE33E927E2@kreme.com> <0ED0213F-F4E3-453B-BEE5-71D292462358@cocoadoc.com> Message-ID: <39E0C14F-2540-4BB0-A054-44AFCB83A7A0@objectwerks.com> I bought VisualHub last week. I was trying to use it to convert from a ripped DVD on disk to DivX for use on a portable DVD player on our trip to Japan (am there now). For at least one of the DVDs I tried, it would give me an "unknown format" on the first VOB of "Cars" main feature. However, Apple DVD player and VLC and everyone else had no problems playing it. I ended up using MediaFork and the original DVD (not my ripped on server copy) to make the conversion instead and it worked fine. (also on an intel mini, dual 1.66 original intel mini with 2gb). VisualHub did not seem to work that well in terms of not getting such errors, but the output was fine. Chad From kremels at kreme.com Thu Apr 5 21:19:35 2007 From: kremels at kreme.com (LuKreme) Date: Thu Apr 5 21:20:05 2007 Subject: cold start took more than two minutes (Mossberg) In-Reply-To: <461564A9.600@paper-ape.com> References: <188E0B73-7B44-4F2F-9D22-4CCDEF89C886@mac.com> <42F57A22-AF54-4F71-93A6-E3DB9648074F@bloomington.in.us> <461564A9.600@paper-ape.com> Message-ID: <4BD2864B-D922-406A-987B-FABC348D4566@kreme.com> On 5-Apr-2007, at 15:05, steve harley wrote: > they whom i call Jim Witte wrote: >> Sigh - how fast could computers start up if software engineers >> *really* tightened up the startup process? > > personally, i don't care that much; i don't restart very often > (though Rosetta seems to gobble VM in a way that makes me restart > twice a week or so) Odd. I had to restart today because of some weirdness with the UPS, but otherwise the only times I've restarted my PowerMac were for system updates and when I had the bad RAM. My POS Vonage router, on the other hand... -- Please to meet you, Rose. Now run for your life! From kremels at kreme.com Thu Apr 5 21:24:14 2007 From: kremels at kreme.com (LuKreme) Date: Thu Apr 5 21:24:32 2007 Subject: Google Earth (contextual menu launch) In-Reply-To: <3B40945C-4614-4171-9FE5-FC7CB4952E30@mac.com> References: <3B40945C-4614-4171-9FE5-FC7CB4952E30@mac.com> Message-ID: <2433975A-5D6A-4A26-8CDF-B9BAF8AB490F@kreme.com> On 5-Apr-2007, at 11:55, Kevin Callahan wrote: > Anybody know if there's a contextual menu plugin that allows one to > select an address in any text document and launch that address in > Google Earth? What's the new Google Desktop offer? I kno there's some contextual menu thingy, but maybe that's only for the Calendar? But, likely is all you will get is Google Maps solutions. Google Earth is a different beast altogether. If you find some solution though, let me know, it would be mucho funtastic. -- If fashion is your trade then when you're naked I guess you must be unemployed. From jswitte at bloomington.in.us Fri Apr 6 00:34:01 2007 From: jswitte at bloomington.in.us (Jim Witte) Date: Fri Apr 6 00:34:09 2007 Subject: Remote Applescript hanging (over wireless) - 'remote apple events' security bug Message-ID: <09206507-CCDF-42E4-8990-6F6F464C2F88@bloomington.in.us> Anyone have an idea why this script doesn't work: display dialog "Sleep?" buttons {"No", "Yes"} default button "Yes" if (button returned of the result is "Yes") then tell application "Finder" sleep end tell end if -- on wakeup tell application "Finder" of machine "eppc://billw@ilamp.local" beep --run script "/Users/billw/Desktop/iTunes Sleep" end tell Script Editor on the local machine just gives me the SBOD.. Just found the error - "Remote Aple Events" wasn't on on the target machine. In this case, it would be nice if the local script would *tell you that* instead of just hanging.. I'll report the bug tomorrow.. Now that I can run my iTunes alarm clock remotely, I'm going to bed.. Jim From jswitte at bloomington.in.us Fri Apr 6 00:43:19 2007 From: jswitte at bloomington.in.us (Jim Witte) Date: Fri Apr 6 00:43:28 2007 Subject: ANOTHER bug in remote apple events.. Message-ID: <9832C261-2F31-44D0-9475-B22723F98E74@bloomington.in.us> I just discovered that to access files remotely from an applescript in *OSX*, you have to use a COLON as the file delimiter, not the SLASH as is standard in all flavors of *NIX including Darwin? This is progress? !! From steve at paper-ape.com Fri Apr 6 00:55:25 2007 From: steve at paper-ape.com (steve harley) Date: Fri Apr 6 00:55:34 2007 Subject: Google Earth (contextual menu launch) In-Reply-To: <2433975A-5D6A-4A26-8CDF-B9BAF8AB490F@kreme.com> References: <3B40945C-4614-4171-9FE5-FC7CB4952E30@mac.com> <2433975A-5D6A-4A26-8CDF-B9BAF8AB490F@kreme.com> Message-ID: <4615FCED.3050700@paper-ape.com> they whom i call LuKreme wrote: > If you find some solution though, let > me know, it would be mucho funtastic. i built an On My Command plist file (which i've sent to Kevin - others on request) using AppleScript to assemble a kml file as described in my previous message; if someone can figure out how to make Google Earth fly to this location, please chime in an alternate approach would first use some other tool to geocode the selected address (can this be done in the background with the Google Maps API?) and then use SetViewInfo from the very limited Google Earth AppleScript dictionary to fly to the location as lat/lon From pelorus at mac.com Fri Apr 6 02:20:56 2007 From: pelorus at mac.com (Matt Johnston) Date: Fri Apr 6 02:21:07 2007 Subject: ANOTHER bug in remote apple events.. In-Reply-To: <9832C261-2F31-44D0-9475-B22723F98E74@bloomington.in.us> References: <9832C261-2F31-44D0-9475-B22723F98E74@bloomington.in.us> Message-ID: On 6 Apr 2007, at 08:43, Jim Witte wrote: > I just discovered that to access files remotely from an > applescript in *OSX*, you have to use a COLON as the file > delimiter, not the SLASH as is standard in all flavors of *NIX > including Darwin? This is progress? !! This isn't a bug. This is legacy. Why, do you have a special lurve for the /? From charles.dyer at gmail.com Fri Apr 6 02:54:29 2007 From: charles.dyer at gmail.com (Charles Dyer) Date: Fri Apr 6 02:54:35 2007 Subject: ANOTHER bug in remote apple events.. In-Reply-To: <9832C261-2F31-44D0-9475-B22723F98E74@bloomington.in.us> References: <9832C261-2F31-44D0-9475-B22723F98E74@bloomington.in.us> Message-ID: On 06 Apr 2007, at 03:43:19, Jim Witte wrote: > I just discovered that to access files remotely from an > applescript in *OSX*, you have to use a COLON as the file > delimiter, not the SLASH as is standard in all flavors of *NIX > including Darwin? This is progress? !! > Ahhh... Macs have used colons as delimiters since, well, since at least 1985. I'm not sure what the original Mac OS from 1984 used. It didn't have, frex, real folders, and it's been a real long time and my old 'phonebook' edition of _Inside Macintosh_ is buried deep in a box in the garage and I'm NOT going to go dig it out. In 1985, though, Apple made some changes, and the Mac OS actually became usable on large volumes. (Where 'large' in those days meant '5 MB' or maybe as much as '10 MB', for those who had money to throw away...) From steve at paper-ape.com Fri Apr 6 08:38:26 2007 From: steve at paper-ape.com (steve harley) Date: Fri Apr 6 08:38:42 2007 Subject: Remote Applescript hanging (over wireless) - 'remote apple events' security bug In-Reply-To: <09206507-CCDF-42E4-8990-6F6F464C2F88@bloomington.in.us> References: <09206507-CCDF-42E4-8990-6F6F464C2F88@bloomington.in.us> Message-ID: <46166972.8050802@paper-ape.com> they whom i call Jim Witte wrote: > Just found the error - "Remote Aple Events" wasn't on on the target > machine. In this case, it would be nice if the local script would *tell > you that* instead of just hanging.. my guess is it just listens for a response, and doesn't get one, which could mean lots of things From kremels at kreme.com Fri Apr 6 10:27:26 2007 From: kremels at kreme.com (LuKreme) Date: Fri Apr 6 10:27:46 2007 Subject: ANOTHER bug in remote apple events.. In-Reply-To: <9832C261-2F31-44D0-9475-B22723F98E74@bloomington.in.us> References: <9832C261-2F31-44D0-9475-B22723F98E74@bloomington.in.us> Message-ID: <45029F05-4B5B-422E-AA8A-50DE48B9A854@kreme.com> On 6-Apr-2007, at 01:43, Jim Witte wrote: > I just discovered that to access files remotely from an > applescript in *OSX*, you have to use a COLON as the file > delimiter, not the SLASH as is standard in all flavors of *NIX > including Darwin? This is progress? !! Dunno if it's progress or not, but Mac OS has always, and still does, use the : as the file path delimiter. -- Like the moment when the brakes lock/And you slide towards the big truck/You stretch the frozen moments with your fear From kremels at kreme.com Fri Apr 6 10:47:02 2007 From: kremels at kreme.com (LuKreme) Date: Fri Apr 6 10:47:18 2007 Subject: Sound settings on the Mac Message-ID: I normally use my USB Headset on my Mac. However, when I unplug the headset, the OS switches to "INternal Speakers" and I would like it to switch to Line Out instead (since that is where my speakers are connected). However, I cannot seem to find any setting or preference for this, and despite my frequent tango with the settings I end up having to open the Sound Prefs and manually switch from Internal Speakers to Line out. Anything I can do about it? (I do have the alerts and effects set to the Internal Speakers because that is where I want those sounds to play through). -- Naked blonde walks into a bar with a poodle under one arm, and a two- foot salami under the other. The bartender says, I guess you won't be needing a drink. Naked lady says? From steve at paper-ape.com Fri Apr 6 10:58:01 2007 From: steve at paper-ape.com (steve harley) Date: Fri Apr 6 10:58:15 2007 Subject: ANOTHER bug in remote apple events.. In-Reply-To: <9832C261-2F31-44D0-9475-B22723F98E74@bloomington.in.us> References: <9832C261-2F31-44D0-9475-B22723F98E74@bloomington.in.us> Message-ID: <46168A29.4000505@paper-ape.com> they whom i call Jim Witte wrote: > I just discovered that to access files remotely from an applescript in > *OSX*, you have to use a COLON as the file delimiter, not the SLASH as > is standard in all flavors of *NIX including Darwin? This is progress? !! that's the standard HFS delimiter and used for local files as well; if that was a surprise, you'll probably want to learn about POSIX file and its POSIX path property, which you can use to convert between them From kcall at mac.com Fri Apr 6 10:58:19 2007 From: kcall at mac.com (Kevin Callahan) Date: Fri Apr 6 10:58:31 2007 Subject: Sound settings on the Mac In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9D95CF13-077A-4C63-849F-31F5C0F1C774@mac.com> On Apr 6, 2007, at 10:47 AM, LuKreme wrote: > I normally use my USB Headset on my Mac. However, when I unplug > the headset, the OS switches to "INternal Speakers" and I would > like it to switch to Line Out instead (since that is where my > speakers are connected). can you use the Audio/Midi setup to set your prefs ? /Applications/Utilities/Audio MIDI Setup.app Kevin Callahan http://www.kevincallahan.org/ http://www.kevincallahan.org/software/accessorizer.html From jahergan at mac.com Fri Apr 6 12:52:13 2007 From: jahergan at mac.com (Jeffrey Hergan) Date: Fri Apr 6 12:52:22 2007 Subject: Sound settings on the Mac In-Reply-To: <9D95CF13-077A-4C63-849F-31F5C0F1C774@mac.com> References: <9D95CF13-077A-4C63-849F-31F5C0F1C774@mac.com> Message-ID: On Apr 6, 2007, at 1:58 PM, Kevin Callahan wrote: > > On Apr 6, 2007, at 10:47 AM, LuKreme wrote: > >> I normally use my USB Headset on my Mac. However, when I unplug >> the headset, the OS switches to "INternal Speakers" and I would >> like it to switch to Line Out instead (since that is where my >> speakers are connected). > > can you use the Audio/Midi setup to set your prefs ? > > /Applications/Utilities/Audio MIDI Setup.app Weird. I do the exact same thing on my MacBook Pro (I love writing that ;-) and when I pull the USB it always switches to line out. Automatically. Never touched a sound setting. That is, presuming I have a line connected to Line Out. 10.4.9 From kcall at mac.com Fri Apr 6 13:06:09 2007 From: kcall at mac.com (Kevin Callahan) Date: Fri Apr 6 13:06:19 2007 Subject: BBC Motion Gallery and AppleTV Message-ID: Apple emailed an announcement regarding BBC's Motion Gallery The files are streams -- is there a way to stream these to an AppleTV ? 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URL: /mailman/archive/macosx-talk/attachments/20070406/2242ac47/attachment.html From kcall at mac.com Fri Apr 6 14:48:05 2007 From: kcall at mac.com (Kevin Callahan) Date: Fri Apr 6 14:48:10 2007 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?q?5_Things_AppleTV_needs_to_be_a_MUST_BUY=A0by=A0Ap?= =?iso-8859-1?q?ple_Gazette?= Message-ID: I'm still on the fence about buying an AppleTV any users out here want to comment on these "5 Things ..." ? From lomion at gmail.com Fri Apr 6 14:57:22 2007 From: lomion at gmail.com (Lawrence Sica) Date: Fri Apr 6 14:57:24 2007 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?q?Re=3A_5_Things_AppleTV_needs_to_be_a_MUST_BUY=A0b?= =?iso-8859-1?q?y=A0Apple_Gazette?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0671BFB7-A7E0-4527-9BDE-1F2A97C962A9@gmail.com> On Apr 6, 2007, at 5:48 PM, Kevin Callahan wrote: > I'm still on the fence about buying an AppleTV > > any users out here want to comment on these "5 Things ..." ? > > must-buy/> > > Hmm #5 would be nice, but is easily overcome. You can easily rip the dvd. It would be nice to chuck the dvd player though as well. #4 Is eh. You'd end up overfilling the appleTV if you buy a lot right now. Plus the interface lacks a keyboard. Searching would suck. #3 No thanks. I don't want to rent, if I rent it's from netflix. #2 Sure everyone wants it cheaper. But we don't know the margins at this point. I don't think this is a big deal, people who will really buy this already spend $$$ on their home entertainment. #1 Is hard to say where the whole thing lies. Since Apple is only partially involved here it's hard to pin it down. I'd like more HD level content, but on older stuff I have no idea if that is realistic. > > > > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-talk mailing list > MacOSX-talk@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-talk From kcall at mac.com Fri Apr 6 15:02:51 2007 From: kcall at mac.com (Kevin Callahan) Date: Fri Apr 6 15:03:03 2007 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?q?Re=3A_5_Things_AppleTV_needs_to_be_a_MUST_BUY=A0b?= =?iso-8859-1?q?y=A0Apple_Gazette?= In-Reply-To: <0671BFB7-A7E0-4527-9BDE-1F2A97C962A9@gmail.com> References: <0671BFB7-A7E0-4527-9BDE-1F2A97C962A9@gmail.com> Message-ID: <41174868-DB18-42BF-B5B3-0BF4256E6249@mac.com> On Apr 6, 2007, at 2:57 PM, Lawrence Sica wrote: > > On Apr 6, 2007, at 5:48 PM, Kevin Callahan wrote: > >> I'm still on the fence about buying an AppleTV >> >> any users out here want to comment on these "5 Things ..." ? >> >> > a-must-buy/> >> >> > > Hmm > > #5 would be nice, but is easily overcome. You can easily rip the > dvd. It would be nice to chuck the dvd player though as well. > #4 Is eh. You'd end up overfilling the appleTV if you buy a lot > right now. Plus the interface lacks a keyboard. Searching would > suck. > #3 No thanks. I don't want to rent, if I rent it's from netflix. > #2 Sure everyone wants it cheaper. But we don't know the margins > at this point. I don't think this is a big deal, people who will > really buy this already spend $$$ on their home entertainment. > #1 Is hard to say where the whole thing lies. Since Apple is only > partially involved here it's hard to pin it down. I'd like more HD > level content, but on older stuff I have no idea if that is realistic. Apple is advertising the newish BBC Motion gallery. How would one stream these HD *streams* to their Hi Def TV using AppleTV? From winter at mac.com Fri Apr 6 15:13:51 2007 From: winter at mac.com (Michael Winter) Date: Fri Apr 6 15:13:59 2007 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?q?Re=3A_5_Things_AppleTV_needs_to_be_a_MUST_BUY=A0b?= =?iso-8859-1?q?y=A0Apple_Gazette?= In-Reply-To: <0671BFB7-A7E0-4527-9BDE-1F2A97C962A9@gmail.com> References: <0671BFB7-A7E0-4527-9BDE-1F2A97C962A9@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Apr 6, 2007, at 4:57 PM, Lawrence Sica wrote: > #5 would be nice, but is easily overcome. You can easily rip the > dvd. It would be nice to chuck the dvd player though as well. That's the one I want, just a simple built-in DVD drive. If you rip a DVD (I think) you still need to transcode it for streaming. I want to be able to just put a disk in the AppleTV and push play. Yes it would add to the cost, but probably less than having to also have a stand- alone DVD player with cables... -Mike From steve at paper-ape.com Fri Apr 6 15:15:39 2007 From: steve at paper-ape.com (steve harley) Date: Fri Apr 6 15:15:52 2007 Subject: cold start took more than two minutes (Mossberg) In-Reply-To: <4BD2864B-D922-406A-987B-FABC348D4566@kreme.com> References: <188E0B73-7B44-4F2F-9D22-4CCDEF89C886@mac.com> <42F57A22-AF54-4F71-93A6-E3DB9648074F@bloomington.in.us> <461564A9.600@paper-ape.com> <4BD2864B-D922-406A-987B-FABC348D4566@kreme.com> Message-ID: <4616C68B.8070607@paper-ape.com> they whom i call LuKreme wrote: > > On 5-Apr-2007, at 15:05, steve harley wrote: >> personally, i don't care that much; i don't restart very often (though >> Rosetta seems to gobble VM in a way that makes me restart twice a week >> or so) > > Odd. I had to restart today because of some weirdness with the UPS, > but otherwise the only times I've restarted my PowerMac were for system > updates and when I had the bad RAM. i reboot voluntarily, because the machine has become a little balky, especially on application switching; this correlates to when 2-3GB swap has been used, often within a day of last restart; i think it's because not only do i run several high-memory apps, i also use Rosetta and Parallels a lot; otoh at the moment i have 4GB swap used, and things still seem pretty snappy From scott at cocoadoc.com Fri Apr 6 15:38:16 2007 From: scott at cocoadoc.com (Scott Anguish) Date: Fri Apr 6 15:38:20 2007 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?q?Re=3A_5_Things_AppleTV_needs_to_be_a_MUST_BUY=A0b?= =?iso-8859-1?q?y=A0Apple_Gazette?= In-Reply-To: <0671BFB7-A7E0-4527-9BDE-1F2A97C962A9@gmail.com> References: <0671BFB7-A7E0-4527-9BDE-1F2A97C962A9@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Apr 6, 2007, at 5:57 PM, Lawrence Sica wrote: > #5 would be nice, but is easily overcome. You can easily rip the > dvd. It would be nice to chuck the dvd player though as well. sorry, this isn't simple, or a solution at all really. you have to rip and re-encode... and that's lossy. From kcall at mac.com Fri Apr 6 15:48:13 2007 From: kcall at mac.com (Kevin Callahan) Date: Fri Apr 6 15:48:18 2007 Subject: new Mac minis Message-ID: Does anybody think we'll see new Mac minis with Core 2 Duo and AE_n support in the offing ? I'm trying to figure out what to do about a media center. AppleTV by itself doesn't provide me the solution I need, and I don't want to buy the current model of the mini. K From lomion at gmail.com Fri Apr 6 15:49:52 2007 From: lomion at gmail.com (Lawrence Sica) Date: Fri Apr 6 15:49:55 2007 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?q?Re=3A_5_Things_AppleTV_needs_to_be_a_MUST_BUY=A0b?= =?iso-8859-1?q?y=A0Apple_Gazette?= In-Reply-To: References: <0671BFB7-A7E0-4527-9BDE-1F2A97C962A9@gmail.com> Message-ID: <772FD502-92A1-4282-ACC2-D64CB8D8699E@gmail.com> On Apr 6, 2007, at 6:38 PM, Scott Anguish wrote: > > On Apr 6, 2007, at 5:57 PM, Lawrence Sica wrote: > >> #5 would be nice, but is easily overcome. You can easily rip the >> dvd. It would be nice to chuck the dvd player though as well. > > > sorry, this isn't simple, or a solution at all really. > > you have to rip and re-encode... and that's lossy. Loss varies, most of the stuff I have ripped, the quality is good enough. And it is simple now. Put in disc, launch program and hit a button and tell it where to save it. But It is an extra set of steps. --Larry From lomion at gmail.com Fri Apr 6 15:51:30 2007 From: lomion at gmail.com (Lawrence Sica) Date: Fri Apr 6 15:51:34 2007 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?q?Re=3A_5_Things_AppleTV_needs_to_be_a_MUST_BUY=A0b?= =?iso-8859-1?q?y=A0Apple_Gazette?= In-Reply-To: References: <0671BFB7-A7E0-4527-9BDE-1F2A97C962A9@gmail.com> Message-ID: <85F49D13-546C-45F8-A985-99628E09E4BB@gmail.com> On Apr 6, 2007, at 6:13 PM, Michael Winter wrote: > > On Apr 6, 2007, at 4:57 PM, Lawrence Sica wrote: > >> #5 would be nice, but is easily overcome. You can easily rip the >> dvd. It would be nice to chuck the dvd player though as well. > > That's the one I want, just a simple built-in DVD drive. If you rip > a DVD (I think) you still need to transcode it for streaming. I > want to be able to just put a disk in the AppleTV and push play. > Yes it would add to the cost, but probably less than having to also > have a stand-alone DVD player with cables... > Well a dvd costs under $100USD, it would cost more to add it the appleTV, not to mention the change in form factor and the like. > -Mike > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-talk mailing list > MacOSX-talk@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-talk From mjwise at kapu.net Fri Apr 6 15:53:57 2007 From: mjwise at kapu.net (Michael J Wise) Date: Fri Apr 6 15:54:09 2007 Subject: new Mac minis In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0089EA81-13E9-46D8-A1CD-955D189CEDCD@kapu.net> On Apr 6, 2007, at 12:48 PM, Kevin Callahan wrote: > Does anybody think we'll see new Mac minis with Core 2 Duo and AE_n > support in the offing ? :( No. > ..., and I don't want to buy the current model of the mini. I once thought that I'd just wait for the next model of the G4 Cube. And right when I was just about ready to give up waiting and plunk my money down.... It was discontinued. I've got two Cubes at this point, both acquired second-hand. Aloha mai Nai`a! -- "Please have your Internet License http://kapu.net/~mjwise/ and Usenet Registration handy..." From scott at cocoadoc.com Fri Apr 6 16:00:11 2007 From: scott at cocoadoc.com (Scott Anguish) Date: Fri Apr 6 16:00:14 2007 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?q?Re=3A_5_Things_AppleTV_needs_to_be_a_MUST_BUY=A0b?= =?iso-8859-1?q?y=A0Apple_Gazette?= In-Reply-To: <85F49D13-546C-45F8-A985-99628E09E4BB@gmail.com> References: <0671BFB7-A7E0-4527-9BDE-1F2A97C962A9@gmail.com> <85F49D13-546C-45F8-A985-99628E09E4BB@gmail.com> Message-ID: <332C42A8-FC49-4078-A7A3-657394DB7E0A@cocoadoc.com> On Apr 6, 2007, at 6:51 PM, Lawrence Sica wrote: > > On Apr 6, 2007, at 6:13 PM, Michael Winter wrote: > >> >> On Apr 6, 2007, at 4:57 PM, Lawrence Sica wrote: >> >> >>> #5 would be nice, but is easily overcome. You can easily rip the >>> dvd. It would be nice to chuck the dvd player though as well. >> >> That's the one I want, just a simple built-in DVD drive. If you rip >> a DVD (I think) you still need to transcode it for streaming. I >> want to be able to just put a disk in the AppleTV and push play. >> Yes it would add to the cost, but probably less than having to also >> have a stand-alone DVD player with cables... >> > > Well a dvd costs under $100USD, it would cost more to add it the > appleTV, not to mention the change in form factor and the like. a DVD drive costs less than $30 retail... apple would pay much less. From kcall at mac.com Fri Apr 6 16:06:03 2007 From: kcall at mac.com (Kevin Callahan) Date: Fri Apr 6 16:06:32 2007 Subject: new Mac minis In-Reply-To: <0089EA81-13E9-46D8-A1CD-955D189CEDCD@kapu.net> References: <0089EA81-13E9-46D8-A1CD-955D189CEDCD@kapu.net> Message-ID: On Apr 6, 2007, at 3:53 PM, Michael J Wise wrote: > On Apr 6, 2007, at 12:48 PM, Kevin Callahan wrote: > >> Does anybody think we'll see new Mac minis with Core 2 Duo and >> AE_n support in the offing ? > > :( > > No. > >> ..., and I don't want to buy the current model of the mini. > > I once thought that I'd just wait for the next model of the G4 Cube. > And right when I was just about ready to give up waiting and plunk > my money down.... > It was discontinued. Interesting, because I was wondering if the mini was going to be discontinued -- and we'd eventually see the AppleTV morph into something more powerful and useful. (likely to take a year or so, though) I don't have a computer right now that can be the sync for a media center to work with an AppleTV. Besides, I want to be able to display media that FrontRow can't handle - as well, run apps and display them on my projector system when doing collaborative projects or teaching master classes. A mac mini would be great. But I'd like a mini with Core 2 duo and "n" support (wouldn't mind a better graphics card as well) - (i'd switch displays between my Cinema 23 and my Optoma projector) From scott at cocoadoc.com Fri Apr 6 16:06:52 2007 From: scott at cocoadoc.com (Scott Anguish) Date: Fri Apr 6 16:06:55 2007 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?q?Re=3A_5_Things_AppleTV_needs_to_be_a_MUST_BUY=A0b?= =?iso-8859-1?q?y=A0Apple_Gazette?= In-Reply-To: <772FD502-92A1-4282-ACC2-D64CB8D8699E@gmail.com> References: <0671BFB7-A7E0-4527-9BDE-1F2A97C962A9@gmail.com> <772FD502-92A1-4282-ACC2-D64CB8D8699E@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49ECE430-EF85-4233-BA48-A993A77CFA39@cocoadoc.com> On Apr 6, 2007, at 6:49 PM, Lawrence Sica wrote: > > On Apr 6, 2007, at 6:38 PM, Scott Anguish wrote: > >> >> On Apr 6, 2007, at 5:57 PM, Lawrence Sica wrote: >> >> >>> #5 would be nice, but is easily overcome. You can easily rip the >>> dvd. It would be nice to chuck the dvd player though as well. >> >> >> sorry, this isn't simple, or a solution at all really. >> >> you have to rip and re-encode... and that's lossy. > > Loss varies, most of the stuff I have ripped, the quality is good > enough. (rant, in general) This attitude (and it is wide spread) is not helping us get better quality content from people. 'good enough' quality simply isn't. DirecTV uses this excuse to ramp up compression. Studios use it to produce crappy transfers to DVD. Studios could use it to ramp up compression on iTunes downloads. If I have the original content on DVD, and I've paid for it, I don't want it at a lesser quality. accepting lesser quality is a slippery slope. > And it is simple now. Put in disc, launch program and hit a button > and tell it where to save it. But It is an extra set of steps. > and hours of time. and you still lose quality in order to reencode it for the AppleTV. It's a shame that it doesn't stream DVDs directly. And do some decent upconversion to boot. Why support 720p when we're required to rip our 480p content to an even lesser quality. From newslists at autonomy.caltech.edu Fri Apr 6 16:08:54 2007 From: newslists at autonomy.caltech.edu (Roland Torres) Date: Fri Apr 6 16:08:58 2007 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?q?Re=3A_5_Things_AppleTV_needs_to_be_a_MUST_BUY=A0b?= =?iso-8859-1?q?y=A0Apple_Gazette?= In-Reply-To: <85F49D13-546C-45F8-A985-99628E09E4BB@gmail.com> References: <0671BFB7-A7E0-4527-9BDE-1F2A97C962A9@gmail.com> <85F49D13-546C-45F8-A985-99628E09E4BB@gmail.com> Message-ID: <38DFD392-17EE-4AC1-87DF-02E80AE25AF0@autonomy.caltech.edu> On Apr 6, 2007, at 3:51 PM, Lawrence Sica wrote: > > On Apr 6, 2007, at 6:13 PM, Michael Winter wrote: >> >> On Apr 6, 2007, at 4:57 PM, Lawrence Sica wrote: >> >>> #5 would be nice, but is easily overcome. You can easily rip the >>> dvd. It would be nice to chuck the dvd player though as well. >> >> That's the one I want, just a simple built-in DVD drive. If you >> rip a DVD (I think) you still need to transcode it for streaming. >> I want to be able to just put a disk in the AppleTV and push play. >> Yes it would add to the cost, but probably less than having to >> also have a stand-alone DVD player with cables... > > Well a dvd costs under $100USD, it would cost more to add it the > appleTV, not to mention the change in form factor and the like. But without a DVD drive, there's a stiff 'turn-off' factor. You have this neat device, why can't it play my DVDs??? That's a real obvious use, isn't it? All in all, it is a good beta, but I'll wait for v.2 before I spend my bux. V.1 is lacking. Roland From scott at cocoadoc.com Fri Apr 6 16:11:10 2007 From: scott at cocoadoc.com (Scott Anguish) Date: Fri Apr 6 16:11:14 2007 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?q?Re=3A_5_Things_AppleTV_needs_to_be_a_MUST_BUY=A0b?= =?iso-8859-1?q?y=A0Apple_Gazette?= In-Reply-To: <38DFD392-17EE-4AC1-87DF-02E80AE25AF0@autonomy.caltech.edu> References: <0671BFB7-A7E0-4527-9BDE-1F2A97C962A9@gmail.com> <85F49D13-546C-45F8-A985-99628E09E4BB@gmail.com> <38DFD392-17EE-4AC1-87DF-02E80AE25AF0@autonomy.caltech.edu> Message-ID: <090A11FE-FA6B-4228-AB5D-62B816B24DEE@cocoadoc.com> On Apr 6, 2007, at 7:08 PM, Roland Torres wrote: > But without a DVD drive, there's a stiff 'turn-off' factor honestly, I don't think that sales reflect that supposed 'turn-off' factor. even with a DVD drive, you'd need some good upconversion technology (Farhouda?) to compete with a $75 Samsung player at this point. From mjwise at kapu.net Fri Apr 6 16:12:12 2007 From: mjwise at kapu.net (Michael J Wise) Date: Fri Apr 6 16:12:20 2007 Subject: new Mac minis In-Reply-To: References: <0089EA81-13E9-46D8-A1CD-955D189CEDCD@kapu.net> Message-ID: <634CDD51-39C3-4F91-8454-2B1A82A46D76@kapu.net> On Apr 6, 2007, at 1:06 PM, Kevin Callahan wrote: > Interesting, because I was wondering if the mini was going to be > discontinued -- " All signs point to Yes... > But I'd like a mini with Core 2 duo and "n" support (wouldn't mind > a better graphics card as well) - [ aol / ] ++1! > (i'd switch displays between my Cinema 23 and my Optoma projector) Um ... that's my current config as well. Both of them are being driven by my G4 Cube, quite acceptably. I was thinking a Core 2 Duo Mini would be fine just plugged into the HD70 full time. It might still be. Especially with this AfterMarket Upgrade: Might just have to use a MacBook instead. Aloha mai Nai`a! -- "Please have your Internet License http://kapu.net/~mjwise/ and Usenet Registration handy..." From scott at cocoadoc.com Fri Apr 6 16:19:52 2007 From: scott at cocoadoc.com (Scott Anguish) Date: Fri Apr 6 16:19:55 2007 Subject: new Mac minis In-Reply-To: <634CDD51-39C3-4F91-8454-2B1A82A46D76@kapu.net> References: <0089EA81-13E9-46D8-A1CD-955D189CEDCD@kapu.net> <634CDD51-39C3-4F91-8454-2B1A82A46D76@kapu.net> Message-ID: <98C917E4-29AE-4B70-BF93-94F4976123D2@cocoadoc.com> I'm curious.. what are these 'signs'? I can't see Apple killing the low end. On Apr 6, 2007, at 7:12 PM, Michael J Wise wrote: >> Interesting, because I was wondering if the mini was going to be >> discontinued -- > > " All signs point to Yes... From blenko at martingalesystems.com Fri Apr 6 16:31:15 2007 From: blenko at martingalesystems.com (Tom M.Blenko) Date: Fri Apr 6 16:31:24 2007 Subject: new Mac minis In-Reply-To: <98C917E4-29AE-4B70-BF93-94F4976123D2@cocoadoc.com> References: <0089EA81-13E9-46D8-A1CD-955D189CEDCD@kapu.net> <634CDD51-39C3-4F91-8454-2B1A82A46D76@kapu.net> <98C917E4-29AE-4B70-BF93-94F4976123D2@cocoadoc.com> Message-ID: I don't see them killing the mini either. Take a look at the price of a used mini, commercially they're way up with the new ones. Got to be demand there, maybe Apple should raise the price if they're not happy with how it's doing. Tom On Apr 6, 2007, at 4:19 PM, Scott Anguish wrote: > I'm curious.. what are these 'signs'? > > I can't see Apple killing the low end. > > > On Apr 6, 2007, at 7:12 PM, Michael J Wise wrote: > >>> Interesting, because I was wondering if the mini was going to be >>> discontinued -- >> >> " All signs point to Yes... From mjwise at kapu.net Fri Apr 6 16:33:27 2007 From: mjwise at kapu.net (Michael J Wise) Date: Fri Apr 6 16:33:31 2007 Subject: new Mac minis In-Reply-To: <98C917E4-29AE-4B70-BF93-94F4976123D2@cocoadoc.com> References: <0089EA81-13E9-46D8-A1CD-955D189CEDCD@kapu.net> <634CDD51-39C3-4F91-8454-2B1A82A46D76@kapu.net> <98C917E4-29AE-4B70-BF93-94F4976123D2@cocoadoc.com> Message-ID: <35CDD6E0-062A-440D-8C99-EBC64566EEFF@kapu.net> On Apr 6, 2007, at 1:19 PM, Scott Anguish wrote: > I'm curious.. what are these 'signs'? " I Am Not At Liberty To Say.[tm] " I Could Tell You, But Then I'd Have To ...[tm] > I can't see Apple killing the low end. They way I have heard it is, that they do not quite know what to make of the Mini. I look at it, and I know exactly what it is.... It's the computer I want as a home base station to drive my projector, etc. It's the computer I want on my desk at work, because the iMac, while nice ... just doesn't quite do it, and is too expensive for $BOSS. Aloha mai Nai`a! -- "Please have your Internet License http://kapu.net/~mjwise/ and Usenet Registration handy..." From mjwise at kapu.net Fri Apr 6 16:36:25 2007 From: mjwise at kapu.net (Michael J Wise) Date: Fri Apr 6 16:36:28 2007 Subject: new Mac minis In-Reply-To: References: <0089EA81-13E9-46D8-A1CD-955D189CEDCD@kapu.net> <634CDD51-39C3-4F91-8454-2B1A82A46D76@kapu.net> <98C917E4-29AE-4B70-BF93-94F4976123D2@cocoadoc.com> Message-ID: <2F4CEFED-4D17-4673-99D4-4B4F793A14F0@kapu.net> On Apr 6, 2007, at 1:31 PM, Tom M.Blenko wrote: > I don't see them killing the mini either. ... Sigh. What I have heard, from rather well-informed sources, is that as far as the people who make such decisions at Cupertino are concerned, is that it's already dead. The fact that it has been, for many months, the ONLY model to still be using the Core Duo chip should be a fairly unmisteakable sign with those who have eyes to see. Aloha mai Nai`a, who personally wishes it were otherwise. -- "Please have your Internet License http://kapu.net/~mjwise/ and Usenet Registration handy..." From kcall at mac.com Fri Apr 6 16:42:24 2007 From: kcall at mac.com (Kevin Callahan) Date: Fri Apr 6 16:45:53 2007 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?q?Re=3A_5_Things_AppleTV_needs_to_be_a_MUST_BUY=A0b?= =?iso-8859-1?q?y=A0Apple_Gazette?= In-Reply-To: <38DFD392-17EE-4AC1-87DF-02E80AE25AF0@autonomy.caltech.edu> References: <0671BFB7-A7E0-4527-9BDE-1F2A97C962A9@gmail.com> <85F49D13-546C-45F8-A985-99628E09E4BB@gmail.com> <38DFD392-17EE-4AC1-87DF-02E80AE25AF0@autonomy.caltech.edu> Message-ID: <5BAE3846-A0A0-4286-83FD-5A6958103707@mac.com> On Apr 6, 2007, at 4:08 PM, Roland Torres wrote: > On Apr 6, 2007, at 3:51 PM, Lawrence Sica wrote: >> >> On Apr 6, 2007, at 6:13 PM, Michael Winter wrote: >>> >>> On Apr 6, 2007, at 4:57 PM, Lawrence Sica wrote: >>> >>>> #5 would be nice, but is easily overcome. You can easily rip >>>> the dvd. It would be nice to chuck the dvd player though as well. >>> >>> That's the one I want, just a simple built-in DVD drive. If you >>> rip a DVD (I think) you still need to transcode it for streaming. >>> I want to be able to just put a disk in the AppleTV and push >>> play. Yes it would add to the cost, but probably less than having >>> to also have a stand-alone DVD player with cables... >> >> Well a dvd costs under $100USD, it would cost more to add it the >> appleTV, not to mention the change in form factor and the like. > > But without a DVD drive, there's a stiff 'turn-off' factor. You > have this neat device, why can't it play my DVDs??? That's a real > obvious use, isn't it? All in all, it is a good beta, but I'll wait > for v.2 before I spend my bux. V.1 is lacking. I guess Apple expects people to already have a DVD player sitting in their cabinet. I don't know. But, streaming DVDs from a disk library is what we want -- integrated with FrontRow a "media center" From kcall at mac.com Fri Apr 6 16:50:25 2007 From: kcall at mac.com (Kevin Callahan) Date: Fri Apr 6 16:50:29 2007 Subject: ABC streaming shows - very high quality over web: Works on Mac OS X with their player Message-ID: <26B65080-CB9B-4426-A317-A174FAD860A2@mac.com> Works on Mac OS X with their player From kcall at mac.com Fri Apr 6 16:55:05 2007 From: kcall at mac.com (Kevin Callahan) Date: Fri Apr 6 16:55:22 2007 Subject: new Mac minis In-Reply-To: <2F4CEFED-4D17-4673-99D4-4B4F793A14F0@kapu.net> References: <0089EA81-13E9-46D8-A1CD-955D189CEDCD@kapu.net> <634CDD51-39C3-4F91-8454-2B1A82A46D76@kapu.net> <98C917E4-29AE-4B70-BF93-94F4976123D2@cocoadoc.com> <2F4CEFED-4D17-4673-99D4-4B4F793A14F0@kapu.net> Message-ID: On Apr 6, 2007, at 4:36 PM, Michael J Wise wrote: > On Apr 6, 2007, at 1:31 PM, Tom M.Blenko wrote: > >> I don't see them killing the mini either. > > ... > > Sigh. > What I have heard, from rather well-informed sources, is that as > far as the people who make such decisions at Cupertino are > concerned, is that it's already dead. > > The fact that it has been, for many months, the ONLY model to still > be using the Core Duo chip should be a fairly unmisteakable sign > with those who have eyes to see. > then they need to come out with a an AppleTV with Core 2 Duo, a decent graphics card, and firewire/usb ports for hanging drives off of it .. etc :-) K From newslists at autonomy.caltech.edu Fri Apr 6 16:58:39 2007 From: newslists at autonomy.caltech.edu (Roland Torres) Date: Fri Apr 6 16:58:42 2007 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?q?Re=3A_5_Things_AppleTV_needs_to_be_a_MUST_BUY=A0b?= =?iso-8859-1?q?y=A0Apple_Gazette?= In-Reply-To: <090A11FE-FA6B-4228-AB5D-62B816B24DEE@cocoadoc.com> References: <0671BFB7-A7E0-4527-9BDE-1F2A97C962A9@gmail.com> <85F49D13-546C-45F8-A985-99628E09E4BB@gmail.com> <38DFD392-17EE-4AC1-87DF-02E80AE25AF0@autonomy.caltech.edu> <090A11FE-FA6B-4228-AB5D-62B816B24DEE@cocoadoc.com> Message-ID: On Apr 6, 2007, at 4:11 PM, Scott Anguish wrote: > > On Apr 6, 2007, at 7:08 PM, Roland Torres wrote: > >> But without a DVD drive, there's a stiff 'turn-off' factor > > > honestly, I don't think that sales reflect that supposed 'turn-off' > factor. Initial sales, you mean? Prolly too early to tell long haul. > > even with a DVD drive, you'd need some good upconversion technology > (Farhouda?) to compete with a $75 Samsung player at this point. > Yeah, but without a DVD drive, the hassle factor goes way up. No sale here. Roland From matthew.penna at gmail.com Fri Apr 6 17:06:41 2007 From: matthew.penna at gmail.com (Matt Penna) Date: Fri Apr 6 17:06: