From scott at maxify.com Wed Nov 1 02:11:04 2006 From: scott at maxify.com (Scott Stevenson) Date: Wed Nov 1 02:11:25 2006 Subject: [Moderator] To all list members: don't post web pages Message-ID: <7C79C323-D05A-49AA-A8A9-99DF5C03422C@maxify.com> When posting a link to a site, there is no need to include the contents of the page in your message. People can just click the link if they want to read the material. Let me say that again. There is no need to post the contents of a web page. Post the link instead. Including a short excerpt for context is fine, but please keep it within reason. Thanks, - Scott From pcoskren at mac.com Wed Nov 1 05:20:08 2006 From: pcoskren at mac.com (Patrick Coskren) Date: Wed Nov 1 05:20:33 2006 Subject: why .Mac ? In-Reply-To: <487E9B84-6BCF-4D65-ADBD-83531C822D21@objectwerks.com> References: <27AD8F15-F177-4B22-BE70-D82AB8E58BA8@gmail.com> <487E9B84-6BCF-4D65-ADBD-83531C822D21@objectwerks.com> Message-ID: On Nov 1, 2006, at 12:06 AM, Chad Leigh wrote: > > On Oct 31, 2006, at 8:02 PM, Google Kreme wrote: > >> >> No one NEEDS .mac. However, it does make some things much >> easier. Sure, I can uplaode my photos to a acidphoto gallery or >> something, but it is a one button operation with .Mac. ONE BUTTON. > > I had an iPhoto plugin at one time that let me export an online > slideshow to any space I wanted -- not .Mac > > One problem with .Mac is that it seems to be a bastard child of > Apple (from the outside looking in at the various reports and > discussions). Every once in a while Apple puts a little effort in > to shore it up or add a new feature but soon everything stops > working right or things never worked right and you cannot reach > support and no one at Apple seems to care. Then all of a sudden, 6 > months later, things improve a little. > > This is how it appears from the outside. I own and run a hosting > business so don't need what they offer for email or web hosting etc > and I don't care to sync things and I don't want a .mac email > address. So I have never bought the service. Seems kind of like > the Apple Groupies? sort of thing :-) So I can only tell you the > impression I have from looking at the complaints, the discussions, > the problems reported, etc. I'd say you're spot on. I'm a .Mac subscriber, but each year it's marginal whether I renew. In the end, the syncing pushes me over the edge, but just barely. I wish they'd give it the attention it deserves, and hope the new mail interface (which is gorgeous) helps. (For all I know, the recent mail problems were related to the upgrade.) To tell the truth, I'd be much happier with it if the iDisk sync didn't keep getting confused by my OmniOutliner files. -Patrick From steve at paper-ape.com Wed Nov 1 12:10:21 2006 From: steve at paper-ape.com (steve harley) Date: Wed Nov 1 12:10:51 2006 Subject: [Moderator] To all list members: don't post web pages In-Reply-To: <7C79C323-D05A-49AA-A8A9-99DF5C03422C@maxify.com> References: <7C79C323-D05A-49AA-A8A9-99DF5C03422C@maxify.com> Message-ID: <4548FF2D.90907@paper-ape.com> they whom i call Scott Stevenson wrote: > There is no need to post the contents of a web page. Post the link > instead. Including a short excerpt for context is fine, but please keep > it within reason. hearty agreement, but thought it worth adding that in lieu of an excerpt, it's polite to include (as most do) a sentence or two of why one would want to follow the link From steve at paper-ape.com Wed Nov 1 12:17:20 2006 From: steve at paper-ape.com (steve harley) Date: Wed Nov 1 12:17:27 2006 Subject: why .Mac ? In-Reply-To: References: <27AD8F15-F177-4B22-BE70-D82AB8E58BA8@gmail.com> <487E9B84-6BCF-4D65-ADBD-83531C822D21@objectwerks.com> Message-ID: <454900D0.601@paper-ape.com> they whom i call Patrick Coskren wrote: > I'd say you're spot on. I'm a .Mac subscriber, but each year it's > marginal whether I renew. In the end, the syncing pushes me over the > edge, but just barely. i'll echo the sentiment -- i bet it's a marginal proposition for a lot of us (on this list especially), though it varies what may push us over the edge; that is the natural result of Apple maximizing its profit perhaps some users are more gung-ho about .mac; i'm surprised Apple hasn't broken the market into more distinct segments with different price points (beyond the bandwidth/storage options); the cost of simplicity is the service is not a perfect fit for anyone From scott at maxify.com Wed Nov 1 12:43:53 2006 From: scott at maxify.com (Scott Stevenson) Date: Wed Nov 1 12:44:11 2006 Subject: why .Mac ? In-Reply-To: References: <27AD8F15-F177-4B22-BE70-D82AB8E58BA8@gmail.com> <487E9B84-6BCF-4D65-ADBD-83531C822D21@objectwerks.com> Message-ID: <722CF4C1-4CFA-4DBD-827D-FC73FAB0032B@maxify.com> On Nov 1, 2006, at 5:20 AM, Patrick Coskren wrote: > Every once in a while Apple puts a little effort in to shore it up > or add a new feature but soon everything stops working right or > things never worked right What do you mean by "everything stops working right?" - Scott -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /mailman/archive/macosx-talk/attachments/20061101/ddddb46f/attachment.html From chad at objectwerks.com Wed Nov 1 14:00:38 2006 From: chad at objectwerks.com (Chad Leigh) Date: Wed Nov 1 14:00:54 2006 Subject: why .Mac ? In-Reply-To: <722CF4C1-4CFA-4DBD-827D-FC73FAB0032B@maxify.com> References: <27AD8F15-F177-4B22-BE70-D82AB8E58BA8@gmail.com> <487E9B84-6BCF-4D65-ADBD-83531C822D21@objectwerks.com> <722CF4C1-4CFA-4DBD-827D-FC73FAB0032B@maxify.com> Message-ID: <1401046E-EC16-4687-AC12-08EC79D4891A@objectwerks.com> On Nov 1, 2006, at 1:43 PM, Scott Stevenson wrote: > > On Nov 1, 2006, at 5:20 AM, Patrick Coskren wrote: > >> Every once in a while Apple puts a little effort in to shore it up >> or add a new feature but soon everything stops working right or >> things never worked right > > What do you mean by "everything stops working right?" Bad quoting. I said that, not Patrick. He just responded to my quote. Read the archives of this or use Google if you want lots if examples. Look for iDisk issues, mail issues, sync issues, amongst other things. Chad > > - Scott > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-talk mailing list > MacOSX-talk@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-talk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /mailman/archive/macosx-talk/attachments/20061101/92ed1979/attachment.html From gkreme at gmail.com Wed Nov 1 18:27:29 2006 From: gkreme at gmail.com (Google Kreme) Date: Wed Nov 1 18:27:49 2006 Subject: why .Mac ? In-Reply-To: <454900D0.601@paper-ape.com> References: <27AD8F15-F177-4B22-BE70-D82AB8E58BA8@gmail.com> <487E9B84-6BCF-4D65-ADBD-83531C822D21@objectwerks.com> <454900D0.601@paper-ape.com> Message-ID: On 01 Nov 2006, at 13:17 , steve harley wrote: > they whom i call Patrick Coskren wrote: > > I'd say you're spot on. I'm a .Mac subscriber, but each year it's >> marginal whether I renew. In the end, the syncing pushes me over >> the edge, but just barely. > > i'll echo the sentiment -- i bet it's a marginal proposition for a > lot of us (on this list especially), though it varies what may push > us over the edge; that is the natural result of Apple maximizing > its profit If the mail had been upgraded before my subscription expired I would probably have renewed. Silly, I know, as I rarely use the webmail anyway.... [BTW, nice to finally meet you] -- From steven at knightswood.net Thu Nov 2 07:40:35 2006 From: steven at knightswood.net (Steven Hatfield) Date: Thu Nov 2 07:39:39 2006 Subject: why .Mac ? In-Reply-To: <5C4387DA-2732-48CE-8021-8D46CA5F3180@mac.com> References: <5C4387DA-2732-48CE-8021-8D46CA5F3180@mac.com> Message-ID: <7876DF35-7855-4B16-B834-F54CB18C472A@knightswood.net> Hello everyone, I thought I'd chime in a little here -- my first post to this list will be to defend .MAC and give you a first hand account of how it saved my bacon once. I know that I could have used other services, but in the end it was .MAC to the rescue. I was taking a Spanish class, and in this class I needed to give a presentation (in Spanish of course). I decided to present to the class my history with the guitar, and to describe the parts of the guitar and its history as well. Part of the presentation was to play my guitar at the end with a song that I had written using Apple's GarageBand software. I would use PowerPoint for the presentation and printed hand outs so that the other students could follow along with me. The day of the presentation, I copied everything onto my laptop and took it to work, where I discovered that I had forgotten to copy the actual song that I wanted to play at the class. To me, without the song, the presentation would have been seriously lacking, and I wouldn't be able to show off my guitar playing skills :-) "No problem", I thought. I'll just connect to my Mac at home (I have a dedicated server setup on the Internet) and download the song. I tried doing this, and to my dismay, the Mac could not be seen from the Internet! Of all days for something to be wrong, this was NOT the day. Because I live 20 miles south of where I work, and the class is 20 miles north of where I work, there was no chance of leaving early and driving 60 miles to give the presentation -- I'd arrive too late and too tired. It turns out that since I live in a new development community, the builder had accidentally cut through some lines while working on a new house, and it took them 6 hours to fix it. .MAC to the Rescue Rather than panicking, I spent a few minutes thinking about possible solutions... and once my brain settled on the fact that I had copied the music file to my iDisk, it was all but over. I connected to my iDisk on my laptop and downloaded the song from there, problem solved. It was then that I decided that I'm a .MAC user for good, and I actually use it much more, and much smarter than I used to, strategically copying important files to the iDisk, consistently syncing my AddressBook contacts, Mail (etc). Now I know that if something goes wrong, at least I won't be without my most important data. The presentation went very well. (La presentaci?n se fue muy bien.) ?Hasta la pr?xima! -Steven -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /mailman/archive/macosx-talk/attachments/20061102/b1d30c2a/attachment.html From alsina at mac.com Fri Nov 3 10:12:40 2006 From: alsina at mac.com (Cesar Alsina) Date: Fri Nov 3 10:12:55 2006 Subject: why .Mac ? In-Reply-To: <7876DF35-7855-4B16-B834-F54CB18C472A@knightswood.net> References: <5C4387DA-2732-48CE-8021-8D46CA5F3180@mac.com> <7876DF35-7855-4B16-B834-F54CB18C472A@knightswood.net> Message-ID: On Nov 2, 2006, at 10:40 AM, Steven Hatfield wrote: > MAC to the Rescue > Rather than panicking, I spent a few minutes thinking about > possible solutions... and once my brain settled on the fact that I > had copied the music file to my iDisk, it was all but over. I > connected to my iDisk on my laptop and downloaded the song from > there, problem solved. Nice story! I could tell several stories like this, particularly those that involves my work. I'm pretty savvy with computers, hosting and the like, I run a server at home and one at work, own several Macs and domains and everything runs as smooth as I can wish. Still, dotmac is a necessity that I can't afford to loose, especially considering that if everything goes wrong ?sh it happens?, I like to have as many alternatives as there is, and not regret later the count of loses because I "saved" 9 dollars a month. Long life to .Mac. > The presentation went very well. (La presentaci?n se fue muy bien.) La presentaci?n "estuvo" muy bien. (The use of "se fue" in this context means more like "it's gone" than "went".) You can also say "La comida estuvo muy bien," "la pel?cula estuvo muy bien, " "El viaje estuvo muy bien,"... :-) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /mailman/archive/macosx-talk/attachments/20061103/3f10dc6c/attachment.html From list-omnigroup at fsck.net Fri Nov 3 14:10:31 2006 From: list-omnigroup at fsck.net (Eugene) Date: Fri Nov 3 14:10:51 2006 Subject: virtualization software Message-ID: <20061103221031.GA10877@core-age.linksys> VMware Fusion vs. Parallels Desktop. Thoughts? -- Eugene http://www.coxar.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/ From shawnce at gmail.com Fri Nov 3 15:02:36 2006 From: shawnce at gmail.com (Shawn Erickson) Date: Fri Nov 3 15:02:44 2006 Subject: virtualization software In-Reply-To: <20061103221031.GA10877@core-age.linksys> References: <20061103221031.GA10877@core-age.linksys> Message-ID: On 11/3/06, Eugene wrote: > VMware Fusion vs. Parallels Desktop. Thoughts? Parallels is shipping and works well. VMware is good but to early to know how well it works on MacIntels. -Shawn From newslists at autonomy.caltech.edu Mon Nov 6 11:25:01 2006 From: newslists at autonomy.caltech.edu (Roland Torres) Date: Mon Nov 6 11:25:14 2006 Subject: USB hub prevents iMac from sleeping Message-ID: <24224609-E408-47A1-B37F-CF3CF50F0C38@autonomy.caltech.edu> We have a 20" Intel iMac that won't sleep when a Jaton 4-port active USB hub is plugged into it. Unplugging the hub allows the machine to sleep. What could be causing this? Should I get a different brand of hub, or is this a known issue? Roland From dave at difference.com.au Mon Nov 6 20:40:18 2006 From: dave at difference.com.au (David Cake) Date: Mon Nov 6 20:42:51 2006 Subject: Undercover theft prevention Message-ID: This looks pretty impressive http://orbicule.com/undercover/works.html Anyone got any recommendations on this or any other anti-theft program? Cheers David From kcall at mac.com Tue Nov 7 14:40:16 2006 From: kcall at mac.com (Kevin Callahan) Date: Tue Nov 7 14:40:25 2006 Subject: Best way to video conference between Mac and PC ? Message-ID: <1FAF4DEA-A70E-4562-A257-0E72418FF78C@mac.com> What's the best way to video conference between Mac and PC ? I'm trying Skype (beta) on Mac to Skype on PC, but it really doesn't compare with iChat A/V (mac to mac). What are people using for Mac-PC video conferencing? Kevin =============== "Because the ? all which is on the table begins to address the big cost drivers. For example, how benefits are calculate, for example, is on the table; whether or not benefits rise based upon wage increases or price increases. There's a series of parts of the formula that are being considered. And when you couple that, those different cost drivers, affecting those ? changing those with personal accounts, the idea is to get what has been promised more likely to be ? or closer delivered to what has been promised. Does that make any sense to you? It's kind of muddled." George W Bush -- explaining his plan to save Social Security, -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /mailman/archive/macosx-talk/attachments/20061107/502a4374/attachment.html From chad at objectwerks.com Wed Nov 8 09:06:39 2006 From: chad at objectwerks.com (Chad Leigh) Date: Wed Nov 8 09:06:52 2006 Subject: macbooks update to core 2 duo Message-ID: http://www.apple.com/macbook/macbook.html From bentley at crenelle.com Wed Nov 8 10:35:28 2006 From: bentley at crenelle.com (Michael Brian Bentley) Date: Wed Nov 8 10:36:27 2006 Subject: were people expecting more bang? Message-ID: The upgraded MB and MBPs sport zippier processors. I've been seeing writeups which indicate disappointment with their relative speed boosts. Do people with technical knowledge about the relative performances of the Intel hardware expect better from the updated machines? (This is actually a test to see if I'm still connected to the list, but I couldn't just write a note saying 'test'. Where's the sport? The last message I got showed up on Friday afternoon.) From omnigroup at spacemoo.com Thu Nov 9 22:50:54 2006 From: omnigroup at spacemoo.com (Dieder Bylsma) Date: Thu Nov 9 23:53:25 2006 Subject: Feedback re: durability of BLACK MacBook finish Message-ID: I'm curious what people who have used the Black MacBook (Intel) think about the finish. Is it more or less durable than the look-at-it-wrong-and-it-scratches white iBook and MacBook finish? thx d. From mailist at ericgorr.net Fri Nov 10 09:21:23 2006 From: mailist at ericgorr.net (Eric Gorr) Date: Fri Nov 10 09:21:52 2006 Subject: Apple's 30" vs Dell's 30" monitor Message-ID: I was just wondering if anyone has done any comparison between these two monitors... Is Apple's 30" worth the extra ~$700? I do think Dell's 30" is rather new, so perhaps Apple will be lowering the price on their 30" soon... From scott at maxify.com Fri Nov 10 14:27:13 2006 From: scott at maxify.com (Scott Stevenson) Date: Fri Nov 10 14:27:36 2006 Subject: Test Message-ID: test From fusion at mx6.tiki.ne.jp Sat Nov 11 00:03:17 2006 From: fusion at mx6.tiki.ne.jp (Jean-Christophe Helary) Date: Sat Nov 11 00:04:06 2006 Subject: adds in Japanese :) Message-ID: <67E7D9D0-BCED-4398-8B0A-C98A8EA6C4D9@mx6.tiki.ne.jp> The first "generation" of Mac adds have just been translated to Japanese, very very good translation :) http://www.apple.com/jp/ Jean-Christophe Helary From gkreme at gmail.com Mon Nov 13 12:27:19 2006 From: gkreme at gmail.com (Google Kreme) Date: Mon Nov 13 12:27:40 2006 Subject: USB hub prevents iMac from sleeping In-Reply-To: <24224609-E408-47A1-B37F-CF3CF50F0C38@autonomy.caltech.edu> References: <24224609-E408-47A1-B37F-CF3CF50F0C38@autonomy.caltech.edu> Message-ID: <9653DA19-20D9-42EC-8241-7EEBAD200B2F@gmail.com> On 06 Nov 2006, at 12:25 , Roland Torres wrote: > We have a 20" Intel iMac that won't sleep when a Jaton 4-port > active USB hub is plugged into it. Unplugging the hub allows the > machine to sleep. What could be causing this? Should I get a > different brand of hub, or is this a known issue? Whoah! A post for the void! Oh, right, a question. Erm, does the hub have its own power? -- No matter how fast light travels it finds the darkness has always got there first, and is waiting for it. From shawnce at gmail.com Mon Nov 13 13:19:47 2006 From: shawnce at gmail.com (Shawn Erickson) Date: Mon Nov 13 13:19:53 2006 Subject: Best way to video conference between Mac and PC ? In-Reply-To: <1FAF4DEA-A70E-4562-A257-0E72418FF78C@mac.com> References: <1FAF4DEA-A70E-4562-A257-0E72418FF78C@mac.com> Message-ID: On 11/7/06, Kevin Callahan wrote: > What's the best way to video conference between Mac and PC ? ...that is easy ... get a Mac. > I'm trying Skype (beta) on Mac to Skype on PC, but it really doesn't compare > with iChat A/V (mac to mac). > > What are people using for Mac-PC video conferencing? AIM (5.5 or later) to iChat video works... at least it did the one time I tried it a year or so ago. -Shawn From chad at objectwerks.com Mon Nov 13 13:37:41 2006 From: chad at objectwerks.com (Chad Leigh) Date: Mon Nov 13 13:37:44 2006 Subject: adds in Japanese :) In-Reply-To: <67E7D9D0-BCED-4398-8B0A-C98A8EA6C4D9@mx6.tiki.ne.jp> References: <67E7D9D0-BCED-4398-8B0A-C98A8EA6C4D9@mx6.tiki.ne.jp> Message-ID: <59B90824-EE62-4B64-B317-341F8101B441@objectwerks.com> On Nov 11, 2006, at 1:03 AM, Jean-Christophe Helary wrote: > The first "generation" of Mac adds have just been translated to > Japanese, very very good translation :) > > http://www.apple.com/jp/ From what little I know of Japan they look pretty good. Are they on TV or just the website? Are the actors well known in Japan? (I have kind of watched a lot of Japanese commercials and looked at Japanese advertising though I don't speak Japanese myself -- wife is from Japan so we go there somewhat regularly to visit family etc) Chad From crimedogmcgruff at gmail.com Mon Nov 13 13:40:26 2006 From: crimedogmcgruff at gmail.com (Matt Penna) Date: Mon Nov 13 13:53:39 2006 Subject: Best way to video conference between Mac and PC ? In-Reply-To: References: <1FAF4DEA-A70E-4562-A257-0E72418FF78C@mac.com> Message-ID: >On 11/7/06, Kevin Callahan wrote: >>What's the best way to video conference between Mac and PC ? > >...that is easy ... get a Mac. > >>I'm trying Skype (beta) on Mac to Skype on PC, but it really doesn't compare >>with iChat A/V (mac to mac). >> >>What are people using for Mac-PC video conferencing? > >AIM (5.5 or later) to iChat video works... at least it did the one >time I tried it a year or so ago. For those who do not know, there is a "Preview" of a new AIM program called AIM Triton. iChat reports that video and audio conferencing is possible with AIM Triton users (by displaying its easily visible green buttons), but iChat and AIM Triton are currently not compatible unless you're simply sending text instant messages. If you want to have video or audio chats with Windows users, make sure they are using "Classic AIM." I tried a video conference with a Windows user via Skype and was very displeased with the quality. Skype works great between Windows users, so either something was wrong somewhere or they still have a lot of work to do on the Mac client. Matt -- Matt Penna crimedogmcgruff@gmail.com ICQ: 399825 Yahoo! Messenger: moresobaplease AIM: S0ba "The trouble with computers, of course, is that they're very sophisticated idiots." -Dr. Who From gkreme at gmail.com Mon Nov 13 13:54:41 2006 From: gkreme at gmail.com (Google Kreme) Date: Mon Nov 13 13:54:54 2006 Subject: adds in Japanese :) In-Reply-To: <59B90824-EE62-4B64-B317-341F8101B441@objectwerks.com> References: <67E7D9D0-BCED-4398-8B0A-C98A8EA6C4D9@mx6.tiki.ne.jp> <59B90824-EE62-4B64-B317-341F8101B441@objectwerks.com> Message-ID: <4EAB9818-240E-4190-8D8F-2E37F5470788@gmail.com> On 13 Nov 2006, at 14:37 , Chad Leigh wrote: > Are the actors well known in Japan? The Mac guy looks familiar. I expect he might have been in some jdorama I saw?? -- "Don't be nice. It's Creepy." Tendo Akane From gkreme at gmail.com Mon Nov 13 13:56:18 2006 From: gkreme at gmail.com (Google Kreme) Date: Mon Nov 13 13:56:27 2006 Subject: Apple's 30" vs Dell's 30" monitor In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 10 Nov 2006, at 10:21 , Eric Gorr wrote: > I was just wondering if anyone has done any comparison between > these two monitors... > > Is Apple's 30" worth the extra ~$700? > > I do think Dell's 30" is rather new, so perhaps Apple will be > lowering the price on their 30" soon... They haven't on their 20" ($700 v Dell's $350). The Apple one, iirc has usb2 and firewire ports. Other than that, they are physically the same LCD. I have 2 20" Dell's, they are wonderful :) -- I killed all my nerves My nerves? What swerves? And I can't drive so steady And already I've lost my memory My mind? Behind! I can't see so clearly From mailist at ericgorr.net Mon Nov 13 14:21:25 2006 From: mailist at ericgorr.net (Eric Gorr) Date: Mon Nov 13 14:21:53 2006 Subject: Apple's 30" vs Dell's 30" monitor In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Nov 13, 2006, at 4:56 PM, Google Kreme wrote: > On 10 Nov 2006, at 10:21 , Eric Gorr wrote: >> I was just wondering if anyone has done any comparison between >> these two monitors... >> >> Is Apple's 30" worth the extra ~$700? >> >> I do think Dell's 30" is rather new, so perhaps Apple will be >> lowering the price on their 30" soon... > > They haven't on their 20" ($700 v Dell's $350). The Apple one, > iirc has usb2 and firewire ports. Other than that, they are > physically the same LCD. > > I have 2 20" Dell's, they are wonderful :) Interesting. Thanks. Find it odd that Apple would be charging so much more for the same hardware...although, I suppose, for those who require matching design styles, the extra expense would just have to be accepted. From pelorus at mac.com Mon Nov 13 14:48:12 2006 From: pelorus at mac.com (Matt Johnston) Date: Mon Nov 13 14:48:21 2006 Subject: USB hub prevents iMac from sleeping In-Reply-To: <24224609-E408-47A1-B37F-CF3CF50F0C38@autonomy.caltech.edu> References: <24224609-E408-47A1-B37F-CF3CF50F0C38@autonomy.caltech.edu> Message-ID: On 6 Nov 2006, at 19:25, Roland Torres wrote: > We have a 20" Intel iMac that won't sleep when a Jaton 4-port > active USB hub is plugged into it. Unplugging the hub allows the > machine to sleep. What could be causing this? Should I get a > different brand of hub, or is this a known issue? Your hub is borked. M From pelorus at mac.com Mon Nov 13 14:49:05 2006 From: pelorus at mac.com (Matt Johnston) Date: Mon Nov 13 14:49:13 2006 Subject: Best way to video conference between Mac and PC ? In-Reply-To: <1FAF4DEA-A70E-4562-A257-0E72418FF78C@mac.com> References: <1FAF4DEA-A70E-4562-A257-0E72418FF78C@mac.com> Message-ID: On 7 Nov 2006, at 22:40, Kevin Callahan wrote: > What's the best way to video conference between Mac and PC ? > > I'm trying Skype (beta) on Mac to Skype on PC, but it really > doesn't compare with iChat A/V (mac to mac). > > What are people using for Mac-PC video conferencing? It's the only "easy" cross platform solution I've found. From pelorus at mac.com Mon Nov 13 14:49:54 2006 From: pelorus at mac.com (Matt Johnston) Date: Mon Nov 13 14:50:01 2006 Subject: Feedback re: durability of BLACK MacBook finish In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 10 Nov 2006, at 06:50, Dieder Bylsma wrote: > I'm curious what people who have used the Black MacBook (Intel) > think about the finish. Is it more or less durable than the look-at- > it-wrong-and-it-scratches white iBook and MacBook finish? No scratches and I'm a heavy duty user but the keys and mouse pad get really shiny if you're a heavy user... From chad at objectwerks.com Mon Nov 13 14:57:55 2006 From: chad at objectwerks.com (Chad Leigh) Date: Mon Nov 13 14:58:01 2006 Subject: Apple's 30" vs Dell's 30" monitor In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3912CB6D-4B23-4719-BDD5-D5F9DF90D3E9@objectwerks.com> On Nov 13, 2006, at 3:21 PM, Eric Gorr wrote: > On Nov 13, 2006, at 4:56 PM, Google Kreme wrote: > >> On 10 Nov 2006, at 10:21 , Eric Gorr wrote: >>> I was just wondering if anyone has done any comparison between >>> these two monitors... >>> >>> Is Apple's 30" worth the extra ~$700? >>> >>> I do think Dell's 30" is rather new, so perhaps Apple will be >>> lowering the price on their 30" soon... >> >> They haven't on their 20" ($700 v Dell's $350). The Apple one, >> iirc has usb2 and firewire ports. Other than that, they are >> physically the same LCD. >> >> I have 2 20" Dell's, they are wonderful :) > > Interesting. Thanks. > > Find it odd that Apple would be charging so much more for the same > hardware...although, I suppose, for those who require matching > design styles, the extra expense would just have to be accepted. > There is some integration as well: power button on monitor will shutdown the computer (pop up the dialogbox asking, not just no- questions-asked) and probably some color profiles. Has firewire and usb ports. Your call whether that is worth it. I have the 30" from late 2004 and the 20" from late 2004. I am happy. Chad From das at doit.wisc.edu Mon Nov 13 14:58:44 2006 From: das at doit.wisc.edu (Dave Schroeder) Date: Mon Nov 13 14:58:57 2006 Subject: Apple's 30" vs Dell's 30" monitor In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Nov 13, 2006, at 3:56 PM, Google Kreme wrote: > On 10 Nov 2006, at 10:21 , Eric Gorr wrote: >> I was just wondering if anyone has done any comparison between >> these two monitors... >> >> Is Apple's 30" worth the extra ~$700? >> >> I do think Dell's 30" is rather new, so perhaps Apple will be >> lowering the price on their 30" soon... > > They haven't on their 20" ($700 v Dell's $350). The Apple one, > iirc has usb2 and firewire ports. Other than that, they are > physically the same LCD. > > I have 2 20" Dell's, they are wonderful :) Also, the Dells have DVI, VGA, composite, S-Video, and component (on some models), in addition to media readers for just about every kind of memory card format built-in. I *just now* (literally moments ago) got two new Dell 24" (2407) displays, and they are absolutely gorgeous. And under $700 apiece. As to whether the Apple 30" is worth the extra money: unless you want something to match your G5 or Mac Pro, no. Not only is it not "worth" the extra money, I'd argue the Dell is a better deal, because it's the same display (and actually a bit brighter, depending on the model), and also includes all the other inputs and media readers. - Dave -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I don't mind scratches, but my white MacBook makes me look positively filthy... it's so damn grimy now (heck, after less than a month it was disgusting) and I'm more than slightly obsessive about keeping my hands (and keyboards) clean. -Rh From newslists at autonomy.caltech.edu Mon Nov 13 15:25:20 2006 From: newslists at autonomy.caltech.edu (Roland Torres) Date: Mon Nov 13 15:25:34 2006 Subject: USB hub prevents iMac from sleeping In-Reply-To: <9653DA19-20D9-42EC-8241-7EEBAD200B2F@gmail.com> References: <24224609-E408-47A1-B37F-CF3CF50F0C38@autonomy.caltech.edu> <9653DA19-20D9-42EC-8241-7EEBAD200B2F@gmail.com> Message-ID: <9F03AAF4-A844-4BE4-8AA5-4CB3A37D8587@autonomy.caltech.edu> On Nov 13, 2006, at 12:27 PM, Google Kreme wrote: > On 06 Nov 2006, at 12:25 , Roland Torres wrote: >> We have a 20" Intel iMac that won't sleep when a Jaton 4-port >> active USB hub is plugged into it. Unplugging the hub allows the >> machine to sleep. What could be causing this? Should I get a >> different brand of hub, or is this a known issue? > > Whoah! A post for the void! > > Oh, right, a question. Erm, does the hub have its own power? The current rev of the chipset used in that hub apparently has a timing issue. The Belkin hub sold at the Apple store also has the same problem. So, we chose a no-name hub; the iMac is now sawing logs... (Now back to your regularly scheduled, erm, program.) Roland From newslists at autonomy.caltech.edu Mon Nov 13 15:32:52 2006 From: newslists at autonomy.caltech.edu (Roland Torres) Date: Mon Nov 13 15:33:02 2006 Subject: Undercover theft prevention In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <60E91825-B60B-4E8D-BFEF-14632DDAE93C@autonomy.caltech.edu> Hmm.. 1. Zap PRAM 2. Boot from external hard disk 3. Wipe original boot disk 4. Reinstall OS X You're good to go, no? Roland On Nov 6, 2006, at 8:40 PM, David Cake wrote: > This looks pretty impressive > http://orbicule.com/undercover/works.html > Anyone got any recommendations on this or any other anti-theft > program? > Cheers > David From mrhatken at mac.com Mon Nov 13 15:39:42 2006 From: mrhatken at mac.com (Ashley Aitken) Date: Mon Nov 13 15:41:15 2006 Subject: Best way to video conference between Mac and PC ? In-Reply-To: References: <1FAF4DEA-A70E-4562-A257-0E72418FF78C@mac.com> Message-ID: <868597BD-3D07-4114-8747-84975DD65E0C@mac.com> What's the issue with Skype Mac to PC? Is it mainly video quality? I believe Skype 2 for Mac is out of beta now, I wonder if it has improved (probably not). Cheers, Ashley. From mrhatken at mac.com Mon Nov 13 15:48:59 2006 From: mrhatken at mac.com (Ashley Aitken) Date: Mon Nov 13 15:49:28 2006 Subject: Apple's 30" vs Dell's 30" monitor In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3524D838-9B9A-4411-A636-257C37DE37C1@mac.com> Howdy All, The price difference is just Apple trying to keep the margins up for complete systems they sell. They've made the computer itself a lot more competitive these days, but are using the monitors to push the margins back up. The "extras" and integration in no way justify the big price difference. However, it gives Apple something to differentiate the screens. The urge (at least for me) to have matching designs (computer and screen) is strong, and they do look great. That said, I will probably resist and get a Dell. In the end, I do think Apple loses since they won't get as many sales and it's not a good image for them to encourage - Mac computers with Dell screens. Cheers, Ashley. From kcall at mac.com Mon Nov 13 15:58:29 2006 From: kcall at mac.com (Kevin Callahan) Date: Mon Nov 13 15:58:36 2006 Subject: Best way to video conference between Mac and PC ? In-Reply-To: <868597BD-3D07-4114-8747-84975DD65E0C@mac.com> References: <1FAF4DEA-A70E-4562-A257-0E72418FF78C@mac.com> <868597BD-3D07-4114-8747-84975DD65E0C@mac.com> Message-ID: <86DF248D-4B25-4495-8850-D500C4034F4A@mac.com> On Nov 13, 2006, at 3:39 PM, Ashley Aitken wrote: > I believe Skype 2 for Mac is out of beta now, I wonder if it has > improved (probably not). I've been trying 2.0.0.6 beta K -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /mailman/archive/macosx-talk/attachments/20061113/22b5d493/attachment.html From kcall at mac.com Mon Nov 13 16:12:04 2006 From: kcall at mac.com (Kevin Callahan) Date: Mon Nov 13 16:12:09 2006 Subject: Apple's 30" vs Dell's 30" monitor In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Nov 13, 2006, at 2:58 PM, Dave Schroeder wrote: > > On Nov 13, 2006, at 3:56 PM, Google Kreme wrote: > >> On 10 Nov 2006, at 10:21 , Eric Gorr wrote: >>> I was just wondering if anyone has done any comparison between >>> these two monitors... >>> >>> Is Apple's 30" worth the extra ~$700? >>> >>> I do think Dell's 30" is rather new, so perhaps Apple will be >>> lowering the price on their 30" soon... >> >> They haven't on their 20" ($700 v Dell's $350). The Apple one, >> iirc has usb2 and firewire ports. Other than that, they are >> physically the same LCD. >> >> I have 2 20" Dell's, they are wonderful :) > > Also, the Dells have DVI, VGA, composite, S-Video, and component > (on some models), in addition to media readers for just about every > kind of memory card format built-in. I *just now* (literally > moments ago) got two new Dell 24" (2407) displays, and they are > absolutely gorgeous. And under $700 apiece. > > As to whether the Apple 30" is worth the extra money: unless you > want something to match your G5 or Mac Pro, no. Not only is it not > "worth" the extra money, I'd argue the Dell is a better deal, > because it's the same display (and actually a bit brighter, > depending on the model), and also includes all the other inputs and > media readers. > > - Dave_______________________________________________ I know some Mac diehards (and stock owners) who are now buying Dell monitors and trying to convince me to do the same. K From fusion at mx6.tiki.ne.jp Mon Nov 13 16:47:45 2006 From: fusion at mx6.tiki.ne.jp (Jean-Christophe Helary) Date: Mon Nov 13 16:48:16 2006 Subject: adds in Japanese :) In-Reply-To: <59B90824-EE62-4B64-B317-341F8101B441@objectwerks.com> References: <67E7D9D0-BCED-4398-8B0A-C98A8EA6C4D9@mx6.tiki.ne.jp> <59B90824-EE62-4B64-B317-341F8101B441@objectwerks.com> Message-ID: <5917AFFE-BCED-4530-96DE-B8898675C8FC@mx6.tiki.ne.jp> On 14 nov. 06, at 06:37, Chad Leigh wrote: > > On Nov 11, 2006, at 1:03 AM, Jean-Christophe Helary wrote: > >> The first "generation" of Mac adds have just been translated to >> Japanese, very very good translation :) >> >> http://www.apple.com/jp/ > > > From what little I know of Japan they look pretty good. Are they > on TV or just the website? Are the actors well known in Japan? Well, I don't know for both questions... :) I don't really watch TV here... But they really capture the feeling of the original adds. And the PC is really good :) JC From newslists at autonomy.caltech.edu Mon Nov 13 18:00:07 2006 From: newslists at autonomy.caltech.edu (Roland Torres) Date: Mon Nov 13 18:00:16 2006 Subject: "Delete thread" in Mail.app? Message-ID: Is there a "Delete thread" function somewhere in Mail.app? Roland From steve at paper-ape.com Mon Nov 13 18:15:25 2006 From: steve at paper-ape.com (steve harley) Date: Mon Nov 13 18:15:31 2006 Subject: "Delete thread" in Mail.app? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <455926BD.7070904@paper-ape.com> they whom i call Roland Torres wrote: > Is there a "Delete thread" function somewhere in Mail.app? if you're in threaded view, backspace closes the thread and selects it's proxy, then delete deletes the whole thread From crimedogmcgruff at gmail.com Mon Nov 13 18:23:27 2006 From: crimedogmcgruff at gmail.com (Matt Penna) Date: Mon Nov 13 18:23:48 2006 Subject: Best way to video conference between Mac and PC ? In-Reply-To: <868597BD-3D07-4114-8747-84975DD65E0C@mac.com> References: <1FAF4DEA-A70E-4562-A257-0E72418FF78C@mac.com> <868597BD-3D07-4114-8747-84975DD65E0C@mac.com> Message-ID: >What's the issue with Skype Mac to PC? Is it mainly video quality? > >I believe Skype 2 for Mac is out of beta now, I wonder if it has improved (probably not). The issue I had (with version 2.0.0.6) was video quality. It was really pretty awful. That's why I commented that perhaps something was wrong somewhere, as I haven't been able to do much testing. We have a handful of people at work who use it for Windows to Windows video conferencing and the quality is very good. Matt -- Matt Penna crimedogmcgruff@gmail.com ICQ: 399825 Yahoo! Messenger: moresobaplease AIM: S0ba "The trouble with computers, of course, is that they're very sophisticated idiots." -Dr. Who From newslists at autonomy.caltech.edu Mon Nov 13 18:40:21 2006 From: newslists at autonomy.caltech.edu (Roland Torres) Date: Mon Nov 13 18:40:31 2006 Subject: Apple's 30" vs Dell's 30" monitor In-Reply-To: <3912CB6D-4B23-4719-BDD5-D5F9DF90D3E9@objectwerks.com> References: <3912CB6D-4B23-4719-BDD5-D5F9DF90D3E9@objectwerks.com> Message-ID: On Nov 13, 2006, at 2:57 PM, Chad Leigh wrote: > > There is some integration as well: power button on monitor will > shutdown the computer (pop up the dialogbox asking, not just no- > questions-asked) and probably some color profiles. Has firewire > and usb ports. > > Your call whether that is worth it. > > I have the 30" from late 2004 and the 20" from late 2004. I am happy. > > Chad Do the Dells have the ports on the BACK of the monitor, like the Cinemas? It seems so dumb to put them there. Can't think of a more remote location. You knock over almost everything on the desk just trying to plug something into it. Roland From scott at maxify.com Mon Nov 13 19:35:29 2006 From: scott at maxify.com (Scott Stevenson) Date: Mon Nov 13 19:35:53 2006 Subject: Apple's 30" vs Dell's 30" monitor In-Reply-To: References: <3912CB6D-4B23-4719-BDD5-D5F9DF90D3E9@objectwerks.com> Message-ID: On Nov 13, 2006, at 6:40 PM, Roland Torres wrote: > Do the Dells have the ports on the BACK of the monitor, like the > Cinemas? It seems so dumb to put them there. Can't think of a more > remote location. You knock over almost everything on the desk just > trying to plug something into it. I'd rather have all the visual clutter out of eyesight. - Scott -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Granted, I plugged in some stuff and don't keep plugging and unplugging new stuff in the monitor(s). I use the USB port on the front of the computer for stuff I need to exchange a lot. Chad -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /mailman/archive/macosx-talk/attachments/20061113/8cf95987/attachment.html From shacker at birdhouse.org Mon Nov 13 21:12:16 2006 From: shacker at birdhouse.org (Scot Hacker) Date: Mon Nov 13 21:12:21 2006 Subject: "Delete thread" in Mail.app? In-Reply-To: <455926BD.7070904@paper-ape.com> References: <455926BD.7070904@paper-ape.com> Message-ID: <376DC19D-C4A8-42A6-AD63-D15BDAA9B2EE@birdhouse.org> On Nov 13, 2006, at 6:15 PM, steve harley wrote: > they whom i call Roland Torres wrote: >> Is there a "Delete thread" function somewhere in Mail.app? > > if you're in threaded view, backspace closes the thread and selects > it's proxy, then delete deletes the whole thread > Hmm.. doesn't work that way for me. In threaded view, either backspace or delete just delete the selected message, and the thread is not closed. Instead, I select the parent element (is that what you mean by proxy?), and hit bsp or del to can the thread. ./s From scott at cocoadoc.com Mon Nov 13 22:02:05 2006 From: scott at cocoadoc.com (Scott Anguish) Date: Mon Nov 13 22:02:15 2006 Subject: Apple's 30" vs Dell's 30" monitor In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <221EA4E8-0D80-40F9-B6CE-C9EAE3B73F72@cocoadoc.com> On Nov 13, 2006, at 7:12 PM, Kevin Callahan wrote: > I know some Mac diehards (and stock owners) who are now buying Dell > monitors and trying to convince me to do the same. Honestly, I couldn't look at the Dell logo all day long. It'd make me sick. From steve at paper-ape.com Mon Nov 13 22:26:08 2006 From: steve at paper-ape.com (steve harley) Date: Mon Nov 13 22:26:16 2006 Subject: "Delete thread" in Mail.app? In-Reply-To: <376DC19D-C4A8-42A6-AD63-D15BDAA9B2EE@birdhouse.org> References: <455926BD.7070904@paper-ape.com> <376DC19D-C4A8-42A6-AD63-D15BDAA9B2EE@birdhouse.org> Message-ID: <45596180.9080000@paper-ape.com> they whom i call Scot Hacker wrote: > On Nov 13, 2006, at 6:15 PM, steve harley wrote: >> if you're in threaded view, backspace closes the thread and selects >> it's proxy, then delete deletes the whole thread >> > > Hmm.. doesn't work that way for me. In threaded view, either backspace > or delete just delete the selected message, and the thread is not > closed. Instead, I select the parent element (is that what you mean by > proxy?), and hit bsp or del to can the thread. wup ... i meant to write left arrow, not backspace From steve at paper-ape.com Mon Nov 13 22:29:16 2006 From: steve at paper-ape.com (steve harley) Date: Mon Nov 13 22:29:15 2006 Subject: Apple's 30" vs Dell's 30" monitor In-Reply-To: <221EA4E8-0D80-40F9-B6CE-C9EAE3B73F72@cocoadoc.com> References: <221EA4E8-0D80-40F9-B6CE-C9EAE3B73F72@cocoadoc.com> Message-ID: <4559623C.5030809@paper-ape.com> they whom i call Scott Anguish wrote: > Honestly, I couldn't look at the Dell logo all day long. It'd make > me sick. i can't stand to be surrounded by logos; i cover most of the logos in my house with colored tape From gkreme at gmail.com Tue Nov 14 02:21:36 2006 From: gkreme at gmail.com (Google Kreme) Date: Tue Nov 14 02:21:53 2006 Subject: Apple's 30" vs Dell's 30" monitor In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <55384A5C-C2D8-444B-9289-F3477C5229AD@gmail.com> On 13 Nov 2006, at 15:58 , Dave Schroeder wrote: > Also, the Dells have DVI, VGA, composite, S-Video, and component > (on some models), in addition to media readers for just about every > kind of memory card format built-in. I *just now* (literally > moments ago) got two new Dell 24" (2407) displays, and they are > absolutely gorgeous. And under $700 apiece. I think only the 24s have the media readers, right? (looks carefully around the edges of the 2007FPW... yeah, don't see a media reader) -- Against stupidity the gods themselves contend in vain. From gkreme at gmail.com Tue Nov 14 02:24:03 2006 From: gkreme at gmail.com (Google Kreme) Date: Tue Nov 14 02:24:15 2006 Subject: Apple's 30" vs Dell's 30" monitor In-Reply-To: References: <3912CB6D-4B23-4719-BDD5-D5F9DF90D3E9@objectwerks.com> Message-ID: <967EFAE8-B889-4990-A816-D0816CEE96B2@gmail.com> On 13 Nov 2006, at 20:46 , Chad Leigh wrote: > On Nov 13, 2006, at 8:35 PM, Scott Stevenson wrote: >> On Nov 13, 2006, at 6:40 PM, Roland Torres wrote: >>> Do the Dells have the ports on the BACK of the monitor, like the >>> Cinemas? It seems so dumb to put them there. Can't think of a >>> more remote location. You knock over almost everything on the >>> desk just trying to plug something into it. >> >> I'd rather have all the visual clutter out of eyesight. > > > I'd have to agree with Scott. It also allows for a place for the > excess cord length to be put so you have less table clutter with > extra cord hanging around, and I don't find it hard to use the > ports. Granted, I plugged in some stuff and don't keep plugging > and unplugging new stuff in the monitor(s). I use the USB port on > the front of the computer for stuff I need to exchange a lot. Yep, that is one drawback to the 2007FPW. the USB ports are n the right, so there's a cable sticking out the right side of the screen. It looks bad. Not just a little, even. I try to avoid using those ports, but they are convenient for the stupid USB2 ipod. Not the ipod, the USB2 is stupid. And slow. -- Bishops move diagonally. That's why they often turn up where the kings don't expect them to be. From gkreme at gmail.com Tue Nov 14 02:28:33 2006 From: gkreme at gmail.com (Google Kreme) Date: Tue Nov 14 02:28:43 2006 Subject: Undercover theft prevention In-Reply-To: <60E91825-B60B-4E8D-BFEF-14632DDAE93C@autonomy.caltech.edu> References: <60E91825-B60B-4E8D-BFEF-14632DDAE93C@autonomy.caltech.edu> Message-ID: <22C94FC7-BAAB-4898-B974-DA2679441B10@gmail.com> On 13 Nov 2006, at 16:32 , Roland Torres wrote: > Hmm.. > > 1. Zap PRAM Nope. Firmware password. Doh! > 2. Boot from external hard disk Ibid > 3. Wipe original boot disk Ibid > 4. Reinstall OS X Ibid > You're good to go, no? No. -- "I don't care how much melanin you have in your skin nor who you sleep with, you can't have my cheese." From pelorus at mac.com Tue Nov 14 02:39:28 2006 From: pelorus at mac.com (Matt Johnston) Date: Tue Nov 14 02:39:39 2006 Subject: Undercover theft prevention In-Reply-To: <22C94FC7-BAAB-4898-B974-DA2679441B10@gmail.com> References: <60E91825-B60B-4E8D-BFEF-14632DDAE93C@autonomy.caltech.edu> <22C94FC7-BAAB-4898-B974-DA2679441B10@gmail.com> Message-ID: <62A17E09-1D9C-4741-AF51-258C80E2CBAF@mac.com> On 14 Nov 2006, at 10:28, Google Kreme wrote: > On 13 Nov 2006, at 16:32 , Roland Torres wrote: >> Hmm.. >> >> 1. Zap PRAM > > Nope. Firmware password. > > Doh! 1. Remove Firmware Password. We're good to go.... M -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I love the iSight thief-o-cam. -- Jared Earle :: There is no SPORK jearle@gmail.com :: http://www.23x.net The Spodcast :: http://spodcast.org From gkreme at gmail.com Tue Nov 14 03:59:33 2006 From: gkreme at gmail.com (Google Kreme) Date: Tue Nov 14 03:59:45 2006 Subject: Undercover theft prevention In-Reply-To: <62A17E09-1D9C-4741-AF51-258C80E2CBAF@mac.com> References: <60E91825-B60B-4E8D-BFEF-14632DDAE93C@autonomy.caltech.edu> <22C94FC7-BAAB-4898-B974-DA2679441B10@gmail.com> <62A17E09-1D9C-4741-AF51-258C80E2CBAF@mac.com> Message-ID: <388BE9DA-B8AE-4325-991C-AF6B77BC7413@gmail.com> On 14 Nov 2006, at 03:39 , Matt Johnston wrote: > On 14 Nov 2006, at 10:28, Google Kreme wrote: >> On 13 Nov 2006, at 16:32 , Roland Torres wrote: >>> Hmm.. >>> >>> 1. Zap PRAM >> >> Nope. Firmware password. >> >> Doh! > > 1. Remove Firmware Password. > > We're good to go.... Yes, but, now we're a bit beyond the typical laptop thief, no? -- And the three men I admire most, the father son and the holly ghost, they caught the last train for the coast... From pelorus at mac.com Tue Nov 14 04:41:39 2006 From: pelorus at mac.com (Matt Johnston) Date: Tue Nov 14 04:41:51 2006 Subject: Undercover theft prevention In-Reply-To: <388BE9DA-B8AE-4325-991C-AF6B77BC7413@gmail.com> References: <60E91825-B60B-4E8D-BFEF-14632DDAE93C@autonomy.caltech.edu> <22C94FC7-BAAB-4898-B974-DA2679441B10@gmail.com> <62A17E09-1D9C-4741-AF51-258C80E2CBAF@mac.com> <388BE9DA-B8AE-4325-991C-AF6B77BC7413@gmail.com> Message-ID: <6FD2B693-B962-4289-AE1A-426BEE07BF3C@mac.com> On 14 Nov 2006, at 11:59, Google Kreme wrote: > On 14 Nov 2006, at 03:39 , Matt Johnston wrote: >> On 14 Nov 2006, at 10:28, Google Kreme wrote: >>> On 13 Nov 2006, at 16:32 , Roland Torres wrote: >>>> Hmm.. >>>> >>>> 1. Zap PRAM >>> >>> Nope. Firmware password. >>> >>> Doh! >> >> 1. Remove Firmware Password. >> >> We're good to go.... > > Yes, but, now we're a bit beyond the typical laptop thief, no? Sorry, I thought that laptop theft was a 'business' and people who do it were able to use Google? M From pelorus at mac.com Tue Nov 14 05:49:52 2006 From: pelorus at mac.com (Matt Johnston) Date: Tue Nov 14 05:50:04 2006 Subject: Undercover theft prevention In-Reply-To: <5bbc0cd60611140509tc35230r3209ad64c9db8091@mail.gmail.com> References: <60E91825-B60B-4E8D-BFEF-14632DDAE93C@autonomy.caltech.edu> <22C94FC7-BAAB-4898-B974-DA2679441B10@gmail.com> <62A17E09-1D9C-4741-AF51-258C80E2CBAF@mac.com> <388BE9DA-B8AE-4325-991C-AF6B77BC7413@gmail.com> <6FD2B693-B962-4289-AE1A-426BEE07BF3C@mac.com> <5bbc0cd60611140509tc35230r3209ad64c9db8091@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 14 Nov 2006, at 13:09, Jared Earle wrote: > On 11/14/06, Matt Johnston wrote: >> Sorry, I thought that laptop theft was a 'business' and people who do >> it were able to use Google? > > Every laptop theft I've dealt with was by an opportunist thief. Whereas my experience has been almost the opposite. Professional thieving bastards taking an opportunity. M ( a little annoyed because this morning stuff was charged to my credit card by professional thieving bastards) From mrhatken at mac.com Tue Nov 14 06:18:13 2006 From: mrhatken at mac.com (Ashley Aitken) Date: Tue Nov 14 06:18:54 2006 Subject: Undercover theft prevention In-Reply-To: <6FD2B693-B962-4289-AE1A-426BEE07BF3C@mac.com> References: <60E91825-B60B-4E8D-BFEF-14632DDAE93C@autonomy.caltech.edu> <22C94FC7-BAAB-4898-B974-DA2679441B10@gmail.com> <62A17E09-1D9C-4741-AF51-258C80E2CBAF@mac.com> <388BE9DA-B8AE-4325-991C-AF6B77BC7413@gmail.com> <6FD2B693-B962-4289-AE1A-426BEE07BF3C@mac.com> Message-ID: So who has (and who hasn't) set their firmware password on their Mac laptop (I see less of an issue with a desktop)? Personally, I've never really considered it. Alternatively, who uses FileVault on their laptop for data security? Personally, I've never really considered that either (too much data and probably too little worth to anyone but me). Cheers, Ashley. From winter at mac.com Tue Nov 14 06:27:56 2006 From: winter at mac.com (Michael Winter) Date: Tue Nov 14 06:27:05 2006 Subject: Apple's 30" vs Dell's 30" monitor In-Reply-To: <221EA4E8-0D80-40F9-B6CE-C9EAE3B73F72@cocoadoc.com> References: <221EA4E8-0D80-40F9-B6CE-C9EAE3B73F72@cocoadoc.com> Message-ID: <51022357-0E9F-410A-A753-7D74755573D4@mac.com> On Nov 14, 2006, at 12:02 AM, Scott Anguish wrote: > Honestly, I couldn't look at the Dell logo all day long. It'd > make me sick. Scott, you've been a Mac user long enough you should have extra Apple stickers around to cover it up with. -Mike From das at doit.wisc.edu Tue Nov 14 07:01:13 2006 From: das at doit.wisc.edu (Dave Schroeder) Date: Tue Nov 14 07:01:29 2006 Subject: Undercover theft prevention In-Reply-To: References: <60E91825-B60B-4E8D-BFEF-14632DDAE93C@autonomy.caltech.edu> <22C94FC7-BAAB-4898-B974-DA2679441B10@gmail.com> <62A17E09-1D9C-4741-AF51-258C80E2CBAF@mac.com> <388BE9DA-B8AE-4325-991C-AF6B77BC7413@gmail.com> <6FD2B693-B962-4289-AE1A-426BEE07BF3C@mac.com> Message-ID: <91068560-647D-4FC0-ABC8-3D198926E97A@doit.wisc.edu> On Nov 14, 2006, at 8:18 AM, Ashley Aitken wrote: > So who has (and who hasn't) set their firmware password on their > Mac laptop (I see less of an issue with a desktop)? *Pictures this thread devolving into 45000 people saying whether or not they have a firmware password set with little useful information about why this is the case* ;-) > Personally, I've never really considered it. > > Alternatively, who uses FileVault on their laptop for data security? > > Personally, I've never really considered that either (too much data > and probably too little worth to anyone but me). > > Cheers, > Ashley. Well, on a laptop (or any machine), if someone has already stolen it, any thief who can even remotely use Google and has two brain cells to rub together will find out how to remove the firmware password. Or, they'll sell it (and that person will sell it, etc etc.), and it will eventually get to someone who knows how to remove the firmware password. But that person is probably not after your data, in the same way the thief who stole the VA laptops with millions of names and social security numbers worth God knows how much on the black market probably didn't know/care about that data - just about stealing the laptop. In any event, once someone has physical access to a machine, they own it and all your (unencrypted) data, and will always be able to defeat any firmware passwords, etc. The ONLY way to protect your data, if that's what you're concerned about in the event of theft or inappropriate use without your knowledge, is encryption. Period. (A little more information: if someone were able to crack a password using brute force (which is possible to probably under a wide variety of conditions and depending how and where the same password as your user account password is stored), they'd then have the capability to access FileVault- protected data. An example of this would be a password stored for NTLM authentication, or a legacy shadow password.) The things a firmware password is appropriate for is public/lab/ shared settings, or settings where you suspect that someone may try to casually use your computer without your knowledge for some reason (roommate who wants to break into your computer, but wouldn't go so far as to cut locks and open cases). A firmware password is NOT a theft deterrent, and NOT a mechanism of data protection. That said, there's certainly no harm in using one. I do not use one on any of my machines because: 1.) They're in trusted environments 2.) I find it extremely annoying that I can't boot into single user mode or boot into target disk mode when I need/want to. If it prompted for the password for any of these events, I'd probably have one set. Currently, the only boot-modifier event for which it prompts for a password is holding the option key to select boot volume. Everything else is ignored. If you never need to use single user mode or target disk mode or boot from CD on a routine basis, or don't mind disabling the firmware password every time you want to do something, go for it. - Dave -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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"lipstick" and "pig" come to mind :) -Shawn From larkost at softhome.net Tue Nov 14 08:13:30 2006 From: larkost at softhome.net (Karl Kuehn) Date: Tue Nov 14 08:13:53 2006 Subject: Apple's 30" vs Dell's 30" monitor In-Reply-To: References: <221EA4E8-0D80-40F9-B6CE-C9EAE3B73F72@cocoadoc.com> <51022357-0E9F-410A-A753-7D74755573D4@mac.com> Message-ID: <2E3C28D4-7266-44CD-A179-1F5487E128C9@softhome.net> On Nov 14, 2006, at 11:05 AM, Shawn Erickson wrote: >> > Honestly, I couldn't look at the Dell logo all day long. >> It'd >> > make me sick. >> >> Scott, you've been a Mac user long enough you should have extra Apple >> stickers around to cover it up with. > > the words... "lipstick" and "pig" come to mind :) When you said that, this came to mind (end of the second paragraph): > International reaction to Bush's Axis of Evil declaration was > swift, as > within minutes, France surrendered. Elsewhere, peer-conscious nations > rushed to gain triumvirate status in what has become a game of > geopolitical chairs. Cuba, Sudan and Serbia announced that they had > formed the "Axis of Somewhat Evil", forcing Somalia to join with > Uganda > and Myanmar in the "Axis of Occasionally Evil", while Bulgaria, > Indonesia and Russia established the "Axis of Not So Much Evil > Really as > Generally Disagreeable". > > With the criteria suddenly expanded and all the desirable clubs > filling > up, Sierra Leone, El Salvador and Rwanda applied to be called the > "Axis > of Countries That Aren't the Worst But Certainly Won't Be Asked to > Host > the Olympics." Canada, Mexico and Australia formed the "Axis of > Nations > That Are Actually Quite Nice But Secretly Have Some Nasty Thoughts > About > America", while Scotland, New Zealand and Spain established the > "Axis of > Countries That Want Sheep to Wear Lipstick". "That's not a threat, > really, just something we like to do", said Scottish Executive First > Minister Jack McConnell. http://braille.uwo.ca/pipermail/ohno/2003-April/000175.html (this is most probably not the originating site, but is the one I found first) -- Karl Kuehn larkost@softhome.net From zbir at urbanape.com Tue Nov 14 08:20:33 2006 From: zbir at urbanape.com (Zachery Bir) Date: Tue Nov 14 08:20:59 2006 Subject: Apple's 30" vs Dell's 30" monitor In-Reply-To: References: <221EA4E8-0D80-40F9-B6CE-C9EAE3B73F72@cocoadoc.com> <51022357-0E9F-410A-A753-7D74755573D4@mac.com> Message-ID: On Nov 14, 2006, at 11:05 AM, Shawn Erickson wrote: > On 11/14/06, Michael Winter wrote: >> >> On Nov 14, 2006, at 12:02 AM, Scott Anguish wrote: >> >> > Honestly, I couldn't look at the Dell logo all day long. >> It'd >> > make me sick. >> >> Scott, you've been a Mac user long enough you should have extra Apple >> stickers around to cover it up with. > > the words... "lipstick" and "pig" come to mind :) Dunno. Maybe I'm not enough of a dilettante for the likes of this list, but I'm too busy getting work done looking at the screen of my big-ass 24" Dell monitor to notice the logo. Zac From rogerhoward at rogerroger.org Tue Nov 14 08:27:35 2006 From: rogerhoward at rogerroger.org (Roger Howard) Date: Tue Nov 14 08:27:37 2006 Subject: Undercover theft prevention In-Reply-To: <6FD2B693-B962-4289-AE1A-426BEE07BF3C@mac.com> References: <60E91825-B60B-4E8D-BFEF-14632DDAE93C@autonomy.caltech.edu> <22C94FC7-BAAB-4898-B974-DA2679441B10@gmail.com> <62A17E09-1D9C-4741-AF51-258C80E2CBAF@mac.com> <388BE9DA-B8AE-4325-991C-AF6B77BC7413@gmail.com> <6FD2B693-B962-4289-AE1A-426BEE07BF3C@mac.com> Message-ID: <51521.216.163.128.130.1163521655.squirrel@webmail.rogerroger.org> On Tue, November 14, 2006 4:41 am, Matt Johnston wrote: > > On 14 Nov 2006, at 11:59, Google Kreme wrote: > >> On 14 Nov 2006, at 03:39 , Matt Johnston wrote: >>> On 14 Nov 2006, at 10:28, Google Kreme wrote: >>>> On 13 Nov 2006, at 16:32 , Roland Torres wrote: >>>>> Hmm.. >>>>> >>>>> 1. Zap PRAM >>>> >>>> Nope. Firmware password. >>>> >>>> Doh! >>> >>> 1. Remove Firmware Password. >>> >>> We're good to go.... >> >> Yes, but, now we're a bit beyond the typical laptop thief, no? > > Sorry, I thought that laptop theft was a 'business' and people who do > it were able to use Google? Mine was stolen by a young, tech-savvy punk, and yet he sold it on eBay without even reformatting the drive - hell, he sold it without even dumping my login... he posted a photo on his eBay listing showing my computer logged in to the auto-login account (I had just wiped it and only restored my basic account settings as I was sending it to AppleCare), and it had one of my custom desktop images with my full name watermarked in the corner! Duh. And, again, this kid was tech-savvy, had over 250 sales on eBay (most laptops, phones, etc)... and I still see him on AIM every night. Someday... -Rh From rogerhoward at rogerroger.org Tue Nov 14 08:30:52 2006 From: rogerhoward at rogerroger.org (Roger Howard) Date: Tue Nov 14 08:30:54 2006 Subject: Undercover theft prevention In-Reply-To: References: <60E91825-B60B-4E8D-BFEF-14632DDAE93C@autonomy.caltech.edu> <22C94FC7-BAAB-4898-B974-DA2679441B10@gmail.com> <62A17E09-1D9C-4741-AF51-258C80E2CBAF@mac.com> <388BE9DA-B8AE-4325-991C-AF6B77BC7413@gmail.com> <6FD2B693-B962-4289-AE1A-426BEE07BF3C@mac.com> <5bbc0cd60611140509tc35230r3209ad64c9db8091@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <17449.216.163.128.130.1163521852.squirrel@webmail.rogerroger.org> On Tue, November 14, 2006 5:49 am, Matt Johnston wrote: > > On 14 Nov 2006, at 13:09, Jared Earle wrote: > >> On 11/14/06, Matt Johnston wrote: >>> Sorry, I thought that laptop theft was a 'business' and people who do >>> it were able to use Google? >> >> Every laptop theft I've dealt with was by an opportunist thief. > > Whereas my experience has been almost the opposite. Professional > thieving bastards taking an opportunity. Just because they're professional doesn't mean they are smart or careful. The kid I posted about (see previous message) is still running his scam as no one - not Apple, LAPD, FBI, etc - would bother even after having all their work done for them (I tracked this kid down to his doorstep, with every bit documented). From kcall at mac.com Tue Nov 14 09:41:45 2006 From: kcall at mac.com (Kevin Callahan) Date: Tue Nov 14 09:41:42 2006 Subject: Apple Teams Up With Air France, Continental, Delta, Emirates, KLM & United to Deliver iPod Integration Message-ID: http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2006/nov/14ipod.html Apple Teams Up With Air France, Continental, Delta, Emirates, KLM & United to Deliver iPod Integration CUPERTINO, California?November 14, 2006?Apple? today announced it is teaming up with Air France, Continental, Delta, Emirates, KLM and United to deliver the first seamless integration between iPod? and in- flight entertainment systems. These six airlines will begin offering their passengers iPod seat connections which power and charge their iPods during flight and allow the video content on their iPods to be viewed on the their seat back displays. K Some of my favorite guitar recordings from GHA available at iTunes Music Store ... http://www.kevincallahan.org/gharecords/Guitar.html http://www.kevincallahan.org/software/accessorizer.html http://www.kevincallahan.org/teaching.html From newslists at autonomy.caltech.edu Tue Nov 14 10:42:13 2006 From: newslists at autonomy.caltech.edu (Roland Torres) Date: Tue Nov 14 10:42:25 2006 Subject: Apple Teams Up With Air France, Continental, Delta, Emirates, KLM & United to Deliver iPod Integration In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1DF48103-A6A0-44DF-AB46-19B880BF183E@autonomy.caltech.edu> On Nov 14, 2006, at 9:41 AM, Kevin Callahan wrote: > http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2006/nov/14ipod.html > Apple Teams Up With Air France, Continental, Delta, Emirates, KLM & > United to Deliver iPod Integration > > CUPERTINO, California?November 14, 2006?Apple? today announced it > is teaming up with Air France, Continental, Delta, Emirates, KLM > and United to deliver the first seamless integration between iPod? > and in-flight entertainment systems. These six airlines will begin > offering their passengers iPod seat connections which power and > charge their iPods during flight and allow the video content on > their iPods to be viewed on the their seat back displays. Now, if they would only use noise-cancellation technology, so you could actually hear your iPod in flight... Roland From chad at objectwerks.com Tue Nov 14 10:44:59 2006 From: chad at objectwerks.com (Chad Leigh) Date: Tue Nov 14 10:45:02 2006 Subject: Apple's 30" vs Dell's 30" monitor In-Reply-To: References: <221EA4E8-0D80-40F9-B6CE-C9EAE3B73F72@cocoadoc.com> <51022357-0E9F-410A-A753-7D74755573D4@mac.com> Message-ID: <23BF137E-FB92-4066-835E-16AAB7733261@objectwerks.com> Just FYI regarding Dell 30" Being refreshed to new model From merlyn at stonehenge.com Tue Nov 14 11:31:25 2006 From: merlyn at stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz) Date: Tue Nov 14 11:31:31 2006 Subject: Apple Teams Up With Air France, Continental, Delta, Emirates, KLM & United to Deliver iPod Integration In-Reply-To: <1DF48103-A6A0-44DF-AB46-19B880BF183E@autonomy.caltech.edu> References: <1DF48103-A6A0-44DF-AB46-19B880BF183E@autonomy.caltech.edu> Message-ID: <86r6w5x1te.fsf@blue.stonehenge.com> >>>>> "Roland" == Roland Torres writes: Roland> Now, if they would only use noise-cancellation technology, so you Roland> could actually hear your iPod in flight... "They"? You expect them to buy you $300 noise-cancelling headphones for the $3 (or free) that you give them? Don't be a cheapskate. Bring along your own. I stopped using my Bose Noise-cancelling phones once I discovered Etymotic E6Ps, which are truly comfortable and amazing, and are technically "earplugs" when the power is off so you can use them longer than the Bose. -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 Perl/Unix/security consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See PerlTraining.Stonehenge.com for onsite and open-enrollment Perl training! From merlyn at stonehenge.com Tue Nov 14 11:52:01 2006 From: merlyn at stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz) Date: Tue Nov 14 11:52:09 2006 Subject: Apple Teams Up With Air France, Continental, Delta, Emirates, KLM & United to Deliver iPod Integration In-Reply-To: <86r6w5x1te.fsf@blue.stonehenge.com> References: <1DF48103-A6A0-44DF-AB46-19B880BF183E@autonomy.caltech.edu> <86r6w5x1te.fsf@blue.stonehenge.com> Message-ID: <86bqn9x0v2.fsf@blue.stonehenge.com> >>>>> "Randal" == Randal L Schwartz writes: Randal> Don't be a cheapskate. Bring along your own. I stopped using my Bose Randal> Noise-cancelling phones once I discovered Etymotic E6Ps, which are truly Randal> comfortable and amazing, and are technically "earplugs" when the power is off Randal> so you can use them longer than the Bose. As pointed out, I mis-remembered the number. Look for the "Etymotic ER-4P". Amazing little devices... I never leave home without them. -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 Perl/Unix/security consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See PerlTraining.Stonehenge.com for onsite and open-enrollment Perl training! From newslists at autonomy.caltech.edu Tue Nov 14 12:02:13 2006 From: newslists at autonomy.caltech.edu (Roland Torres) Date: Tue Nov 14 12:02:28 2006 Subject: Apple Teams Up With Air France, Continental, Delta, Emirates, KLM & United to Deliver iPod Integration In-Reply-To: <86bqn9x0v2.fsf@blue.stonehenge.com> References: <1DF48103-A6A0-44DF-AB46-19B880BF183E@autonomy.caltech.edu> <86r6w5x1te.fsf@blue.stonehenge.com> <86bqn9x0v2.fsf@blue.stonehenge.com> Message-ID: <71F3ECC0-0726-4460-A21D-F57EB763DB3C@autonomy.caltech.edu> On Nov 14, 2006, at 11:52 AM, Randal L. Schwartz wrote: >>>>>> "Randal" == Randal L Schwartz writes: > > Randal> Don't be a cheapskate. Bring along your own. I stopped > using my Bose > Randal> Noise-cancelling phones once I discovered Etymotic E6Ps, > which are truly > Randal> comfortable and amazing, and are technically "earplugs" > when the power is off > Randal> so you can use them longer than the Bose. > > As pointed out, I mis-remembered the number. Look for the > "Etymotic ER-4P". > Amazing little devices... I never leave home without them. What I meant was for the airlines to use noise cancellation technology inside the cabin, so you wouldn't need special headphones. But, yes, I do have a pair of (Sony) noise cancellation headphones, and they don't work well, especially for white noise, sorry I bought them. Wasn't there some car company (Infiniti?) looking into adding noise cancellation so the interior would be quieter? Roland From merlyn at stonehenge.com Tue Nov 14 12:06:52 2006 From: merlyn at stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz) Date: Tue Nov 14 12:06:56 2006 Subject: Apple Teams Up With Air France, Continental, Delta, Emirates, KLM & United to Deliver iPod Integration In-Reply-To: <71F3ECC0-0726-4460-A21D-F57EB763DB3C@autonomy.caltech.edu> References: <1DF48103-A6A0-44DF-AB46-19B880BF183E@autonomy.caltech.edu> <86r6w5x1te.fsf@blue.stonehenge.com> <86bqn9x0v2.fsf@blue.stonehenge.com> <71F3ECC0-0726-4460-A21D-F57EB763DB3C@autonomy.caltech.edu> Message-ID: <864pt1x06b.fsf@blue.stonehenge.com> >>>>> "Roland" == Roland Torres writes: Roland> What I meant was for the airlines to use noise cancellation technology inside Roland> the cabin, so you wouldn't need special headphones. I can't imagine you could actually do that with something as large as an airplane interior. And noise-cancellation works well only at lower frequencies. Roland> But, yes, I do have a pair of (Sony) noise cancellation headphones, Roland> and they don't work well, especially for white noise, sorry I bought Roland> them. Yes, I've tried the Sony, and the Bose, and I'm telling you the etymotic ER-4P are head and shoulders *above* them. In fact, just having them *in* with no music on, you can't even tell what the flight attendant is saying right in front of you. Every once in a while, I can hear that the public PA system is being used, so I quickly plug my plugs back into the armrest to hear it. :) Roland> Wasn't there some car company (Infiniti?) looking into adding Roland> noise cancellation so the interior would be quieter? Most car noise is low frequency, and the space is limited, and there's already a decent audio system in place. Strike 3 for planes on that scale. -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 Perl/Unix/security consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See PerlTraining.Stonehenge.com for onsite and open-enrollment Perl training! From gkreme at gmail.com Tue Nov 14 13:01:49 2006 From: gkreme at gmail.com (Google Kreme) Date: Tue Nov 14 13:02:06 2006 Subject: Apple Teams Up With Air France, Continental, Delta, Emirates, KLM & United to Deliver iPod Integration In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 14 Nov 2006, at 10:41 , Kevin Callahan wrote: > http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2006/nov/14ipod.html > Apple Teams Up With Air France, Continental, Delta, Emirates, KLM & > United to Deliver iPod Integration > > CUPERTINO, California?November 14, 2006?Apple? today announced it > is teaming up with Air France, Continental, Delta, Emirates, KLM > and United to deliver the first seamless integration between iPod? > and in-flight entertainment systems. These six airlines will begin > offering their passengers iPod seat connections which power and > charge their iPods during flight and allow the video content on > their iPods to be viewed on the their seat back displays. Ok, Now THAT is cool. Course, they'll likely charge $10 to do it... -- I mistoke thee for thy better Hamlet Act III scene 4 From chad at objectwerks.com Tue Nov 14 13:05:58 2006 From: chad at objectwerks.com (Chad Leigh) Date: Tue Nov 14 13:06:03 2006 Subject: Apple Teams Up With Air France, Continental, Delta, Emirates, KLM & United to Deliver iPod Integration In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7A6F25B2-829E-4E75-9770-A58DD04F64AA@objectwerks.com> On Nov 14, 2006, at 2:01 PM, Google Kreme wrote: > On 14 Nov 2006, at 10:41 , Kevin Callahan wrote: >> http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2006/nov/14ipod.html >> Apple Teams Up With Air France, Continental, Delta, Emirates, KLM >> & United to Deliver iPod Integration >> >> CUPERTINO, California?November 14, 2006?Apple? today announced it >> is teaming up with Air France, Continental, Delta, Emirates, KLM >> and United to deliver the first seamless integration between iPod? >> and in-flight entertainment systems. These six airlines will begin >> offering their passengers iPod seat connections which power and >> charge their iPods during flight and allow the video content on >> their iPods to be viewed on the their seat back displays. > > Ok, Now THAT is cool. > > Course, they'll likely charge $10 to do it... Except for maybe Emirates, they probably only have the seat back displays in business / first class anyway (ok, AF has it in some planes in economy). When I flew AF the Airbus 340 planes did not have it but the 777 did. The US carriers probably will make this a business class only thing and only on long haul / international flights. Chad From gkreme at gmail.com Tue Nov 14 13:13:01 2006 From: gkreme at gmail.com (Google Kreme) Date: Tue Nov 14 13:13:15 2006 Subject: Apple Teams Up With Air France, Continental, Delta, Emirates, KLM & United to Deliver iPod Integration In-Reply-To: <7A6F25B2-829E-4E75-9770-A58DD04F64AA@objectwerks.com> References: <7A6F25B2-829E-4E75-9770-A58DD04F64AA@objectwerks.com> Message-ID: <2CAABC95-5949-42A3-9A4B-DAE06AC507FE@gmail.com> On 14 Nov 2006, at 14:05 , Chad Leigh wrote: > On Nov 14, 2006, at 2:01 PM, Google Kreme wrote: >> On 14 Nov 2006, at 10:41 , Kevin Callahan wrote: >>> http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2006/nov/14ipod.html >>> Apple Teams Up With Air France, Continental, Delta, Emirates, KLM >>> & United to Deliver iPod Integration >>> >>> CUPERTINO, California?November 14, 2006?Apple? today announced it >>> is teaming up with Air France, Continental, Delta, Emirates, KLM >>> and United to deliver the first seamless integration between >>> iPod? and in-flight entertainment systems. These six airlines >>> will begin offering their passengers iPod seat connections which >>> power and charge their iPods during flight and allow the video >>> content on their iPods to be viewed on the their seat back displays. >> >> Ok, Now THAT is cool. >> >> Course, they'll likely charge $10 to do it... > > Except for maybe Emirates, they probably only have the seat back > displays in business / first class anyway (ok, AF has it in some > planes in economy). When I flew AF the Airbus 340 planes did not > have it but the 777 did. The last time I flew (I think it was Frontier) the plane had screens on every seat. I think it's become far more common as new equipment is phased in. -- and I lift my glass to the Awful Truth / which you can't reveal to the Ears of Youth / except to say it isn't worth a dime From joar at joar.com Tue Nov 14 13:57:28 2006 From: joar at joar.com (j o a r) Date: Tue Nov 14 13:58:20 2006 Subject: Apple Teams Up With Air France, Continental, Delta, Emirates, KLM & United to Deliver iPod Integration In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9F34AA05-CB20-407B-A39B-5518E94E43F8@joar.com> On 14 nov 2006, at 18.41, Kevin Callahan wrote: > CUPERTINO, California?November 14, 2006?Apple? today announced it > is teaming up with Air France, Continental, Delta, Emirates, KLM > and United to deliver the first seamless integration between iPod? > and in-flight entertainment systems. These six airlines will begin > offering their passengers iPod seat connections which power and > charge their iPods during flight and allow the video content on > their iPods to be viewed on the their seat back displays. Why anyone would want to view video on the _awful_ seat back displays is beyond my comprehension. I'd probably rather just use the iPod. Being able to charge the iPod is of course nice though! But you know what this means? The "iPod connector" will soon be a standard connector used for lots of things - and not only iPods. Much like the cigarette lighter plug in you find in cars - and lots of other places where it's obviously just used for power, and not cigarettes. j o a r From pcoskren at mac.com Tue Nov 14 14:01:34 2006 From: pcoskren at mac.com (Patrick Coskren) Date: Tue Nov 14 14:01:42 2006 Subject: Apple Teams Up With Air France, Continental, Delta, Emirates, KLM & United to Deliver iPod Integration In-Reply-To: <9F34AA05-CB20-407B-A39B-5518E94E43F8@joar.com> References: <9F34AA05-CB20-407B-A39B-5518E94E43F8@joar.com> Message-ID: <70CAD561-EA40-474F-88A6-BED154765999@mac.com> On Nov 14, 2006, at 4:57 PM, j o a r wrote: > But you know what this means? The "iPod connector" will soon be a > standard connector used for lots of things - and not only iPods. > Much like the cigarette lighter plug in you find in cars - and lots > of other places where it's obviously just used for power, and not > cigarettes. It's only a matter of time before the iPod evolves from an MP3 player into the generic computing "pod" that they obviously had in mind when they started the project. -Patrick From rogerhoward at rogerroger.org Tue Nov 14 14:02:44 2006 From: rogerhoward at rogerroger.org (Roger Howard) Date: Tue Nov 14 14:02:52 2006 Subject: Apple Teams Up With Air France, Continental, Delta, Emirates, KLM & United to Deliver iPod Integration In-Reply-To: <2CAABC95-5949-42A3-9A4B-DAE06AC507FE@gmail.com> References: <7A6F25B2-829E-4E75-9770-A58DD04F64AA@objectwerks.com> <2CAABC95-5949-42A3-9A4B-DAE06AC507FE@gmail.com> Message-ID: <12287.216.163.128.130.1163541764.squirrel@webmail.rogerroger.org> On Tue, November 14, 2006 1:13 pm, Google Kreme wrote: > The last time I flew (I think it was Frontier) the plane had screens > on every seat. I think it's become far more common as new equipment > is phased in. JetBlue rocks; but I'm stuck flying American most of the time, and I've yet to see a seatback display, a power jack, or hell even a working headphone jack. It's really a carrier-to-carrier issue more than new equipment, though those are basically the same issue (as some carriers, like JetBlue, are entirely new). I'd kill for a JetBlue LAX to O'Hare route. From rogerhoward at rogerroger.org Tue Nov 14 14:06:02 2006 From: rogerhoward at rogerroger.org (Roger Howard) Date: Tue Nov 14 14:06:04 2006 Subject: Apple Teams Up With Air France, Continental, Delta, Emirates, KLM & United to Deliver iPod Integration In-Reply-To: <9F34AA05-CB20-407B-A39B-5518E94E43F8@joar.com> References: <9F34AA05-CB20-407B-A39B-5518E94E43F8@joar.com> Message-ID: <33463.216.163.128.130.1163541962.squirrel@webmail.rogerroger.org> On Tue, November 14, 2006 1:57 pm, j o a r wrote: > > On 14 nov 2006, at 18.41, Kevin Callahan wrote: > >> CUPERTINO, California?November 14, 2006?Apple? today announced it >> is teaming up with Air France, Continental, Delta, Emirates, KLM >> and United to deliver the first seamless integration between iPod? >> and in-flight entertainment systems. These six airlines will begin >> offering their passengers iPod seat connections which power and >> charge their iPods during flight and allow the video content on >> their iPods to be viewed on the their seat back displays. > > Why anyone would want to view video on the _awful_ seat back displays > is beyond my comprehension. I'd probably rather just use the iPod. > Being able to charge the iPod is of course nice though! Yeah, seriously - forget the display, just give me power and an eye-level iPod holder! My only problems with watching video on my flights are 1) power; 2) positioning the iPod without either massive neckstrain or an arm going to sleep. > But you know what this means? The "iPod connector" will soon be a > standard connector used for lots of things - and not only iPods. Much > like the cigarette lighter plug in you find in cars - and lots of > other places where it's obviously just used for power, and not > cigarettes. I'm not sure that's a good thing... is that connector really good enough for such ubiquitious use? I'd love to see MagSafe-type connectors everywhere personally. From kcall at mac.com Tue Nov 14 14:09:16 2006 From: kcall at mac.com (Kevin Callahan) Date: Tue Nov 14 14:09:33 2006 Subject: Apple Teams Up With Air France, Continental, Delta, Emirates, KLM & United to Deliver iPod Integration In-Reply-To: <33463.216.163.128.130.1163541962.squirrel@webmail.rogerroger.org> References: <9F34AA05-CB20-407B-A39B-5518E94E43F8@joar.com> <33463.216.163.128.130.1163541962.squirrel@webmail.rogerroger.org> Message-ID: <9D47056D-6A4D-4BFF-86CC-A505D995ACD9@mac.com> On Nov 14, 2006, at 2:06 PM, Roger Howard wrote: > On Tue, November 14, 2006 1:57 pm, j o a r wrote: >> >> On 14 nov 2006, at 18.41, Kevin Callahan wrote: >> >>> CUPERTINO, California?November 14, 2006?Apple? today announced it >>> is teaming up with Air France, Continental, Delta, Emirates, KLM >>> and United to deliver the first seamless integration between iPod? >>> and in-flight entertainment systems. These six airlines will begin >>> offering their passengers iPod seat connections which power and >>> charge their iPods during flight and allow the video content on >>> their iPods to be viewed on the their seat back displays. >> >> Why anyone would want to view video on the _awful_ seat back displays >> is beyond my comprehension. I'd probably rather just use the iPod. >> Being able to charge the iPod is of course nice though! > > Yeah, seriously - forget the display, just give me power and an eye- > level > iPod holder! My only problems with watching video on my flights are 1) > power; 2) positioning the iPod without either massive neckstrain or > an arm > going to sleep. what about a pair of glasses that display the iPod-video output ? I think some products are available anybody have one ? tried one? > >> But you know what this means? The "iPod connector" will soon be a >> standard connector used for lots of things - and not only iPods. Much >> like the cigarette lighter plug in you find in cars - and lots of >> other places where it's obviously just used for power, and not >> cigarettes. > > I'm not sure that's a good thing... is that connector really good > enough > for such ubiquitious use? I'd love to see MagSafe-type connectors > everywhere personally. From scott at maxify.com Tue Nov 14 14:48:40 2006 From: scott at maxify.com (Scott Stevenson) Date: Tue Nov 14 14:49:13 2006 Subject: Apple Teams Up With Air France, Continental, Delta, Emirates, KLM & United to Deliver iPod Integration In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <03AD0F8F-FA2E-4ABE-92B8-B251D2C75F87@maxify.com> On Nov 14, 2006, at 1:01 PM, Google Kreme wrote: > Ok, Now THAT is cool. > > Course, they'll likely charge $10 to do it... Small price when you're on a 7+ hour flight. - Scott -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From scott at maxify.com Tue Nov 14 15:59:51 2006 From: scott at maxify.com (Scott Stevenson) Date: Tue Nov 14 16:00:08 2006 Subject: [Moderator] Re: Apple's 30" vs Dell's 30" monitor In-Reply-To: <2E3C28D4-7266-44CD-A179-1F5487E128C9@softhome.net> References: <221EA4E8-0D80-40F9-B6CE-C9EAE3B73F72@cocoadoc.com> <51022357-0E9F-410A-A753-7D74755573D4@mac.com> <2E3C28D4-7266-44CD-A179-1F5487E128C9@softhome.net> Message-ID: <7A0F0B3F-DD96-4E9E-B5CD-4A15EC2720E3@maxify.com> On Nov 14, 2006, at 8:13 AM, Karl Kuehn wrote: >> the words... "lipstick" and "pig" come to mind :) > > When you said that, this came to mind (end of the second paragraph): So... this is off-topic. - Scott -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /mailman/archive/macosx-talk/attachments/20061114/510e9fd5/attachment.html From barbro.maria at start.no Tue Nov 14 15:35:39 2006 From: barbro.maria at start.no (Barbro Storm) Date: Tue Nov 14 16:01:03 2006 Subject: Apple Teams Up With Air France, Continental, Delta, Emirates, KLM & United to Deliver iPod Integration In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 14. nov. 2006, at 18.41, Kevin Callahan wrote: > http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2006/nov/14ipod.html > Apple Teams Up With Air France, Continental, Delta, Emirates, KLM & > United to Deliver iPod Integration > > CUPERTINO, California?November 14, 2006?Apple? today announced it > is teaming up with Air France, Continental, Delta, Emirates, KLM > and United to deliver the first seamless integration between iPod? > and in-flight entertainment systems. These six airlines will begin > offering their passengers iPod seat connections which power and > charge their iPods during flight and allow the video content on > their iPods to be viewed on the their seat back displays. It's stuff like that this that makes me really pissed I gave up working with avionics! Just think how fun... installing iPod-stuff all over in those pretty big airplanes... (of course, I'm also thinking of how $#&"$&"! much work that must be) -- Barb. aka Chickxsy From fusion at mx6.tiki.ne.jp Tue Nov 14 17:14:13 2006 From: fusion at mx6.tiki.ne.jp (Jean-Christophe Helary) Date: Tue Nov 14 17:14:38 2006 Subject: Apple Teams Up With Air France, Continental, Delta, Emirates, KLM & United to Deliver iPod Integration In-Reply-To: <7A6F25B2-829E-4E75-9770-A58DD04F64AA@objectwerks.com> References: <7A6F25B2-829E-4E75-9770-A58DD04F64AA@objectwerks.com> Message-ID: On 15 nov. 06, at 06:05, Chad Leigh wrote: > > On Nov 14, 2006, at 2:01 PM, Google Kreme wrote: > >> On 14 Nov 2006, at 10:41 , Kevin Callahan wrote: >>> http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2006/nov/14ipod.html >>> Apple Teams Up With Air France, Continental, Delta, Emirates, KLM >>> & United to Deliver iPod Integration >>> >>> CUPERTINO, California?November 14, 2006?Apple? today announced it >>> is teaming up with Air France, Continental, Delta, Emirates, KLM >>> and United to deliver the first seamless integration between >>> iPod? and in-flight entertainment systems. These six airlines >>> will begin offering their passengers iPod seat connections which >>> power and charge their iPods during flight and allow the video >>> content on their iPods to be viewed on the their seat back displays. >> >> Ok, Now THAT is cool. >> >> Course, they'll likely charge $10 to do it... > > Except for maybe Emirates, they probably only have the seat back > displays in business / first class anyway (ok, AF has it in some > planes in economy). When I flew AF the Airbus 340 planes did not > have it but the 777 did. > > The US carriers probably will make this a business class only thing > and only on long haul / international flights. I take the cheapest flights from Japan to France about twice a year on a random selection of companies and I think the last time we did not have individual screens was about 10 years ago. Now screen quality/size seems to be much better in Business/First class but we have them too in Economy. Jean-Christophe From mrhatken at mac.com Tue Nov 14 18:20:58 2006 From: mrhatken at mac.com (Ashley Aitken) Date: Tue Nov 14 18:21:43 2006 Subject: Apple Teams Up With Air France, Continental, Delta, Emirates, KLM & United to Deliver iPod Integration In-Reply-To: References: <7A6F25B2-829E-4E75-9770-A58DD04F64AA@objectwerks.com> Message-ID: <54F8AC60-08DD-4D61-9F8C-AC6A51AA6D4E@mac.com> Of course, facilities on international flights are generally better than domestic flights (no matter how long they are) because the airlines can generally charge more etc. I also think the problems with the poor airline screens (that I agree are poor but anything to relieve the boredom of cattle class is a good thing) may disappear with a larger screen iPod. What about a flip down stand for the video iPod? Probably not from Apple, but I am sure there will be third-party (expensive) stands. I guess the dock plays that role, but it is a bit of an overkill and something else to carry-on. Cheers, Ashley. From chad at objectwerks.com Tue Nov 14 19:17:31 2006 From: chad at objectwerks.com (Chad Leigh) Date: Tue Nov 14 19:17:36 2006 Subject: Apple Teams Up With Air France, Continental, Delta, Emirates, KLM & United to Deliver iPod Integration In-Reply-To: <54F8AC60-08DD-4D61-9F8C-AC6A51AA6D4E@mac.com> References: <7A6F25B2-829E-4E75-9770-A58DD04F64AA@objectwerks.com> <54F8AC60-08DD-4D61-9F8C-AC6A51AA6D4E@mac.com> Message-ID: On Nov 14, 2006, at 7:20 PM, Ashley Aitken wrote: > What about a flip down stand for the video iPod? Probably not from > Apple, but I am sure there will be third-party (expensive) stands. > I guess the dock plays that role, but it is a bit of an overkill > and something else to carry-on. Airbus planes generally have (in my experience) a fold down cup holder "underneath" the fold down tray, so that when the tray is up you can fold down the cup holder. I am not sure if this is a "standard sized" cup holder or if all airlines get these but isn't there a cup-holder based ipod holder available??? Chad who_doesn't_have_an_ipod From andrew.brown at c18.net Tue Nov 14 21:47:12 2006 From: andrew.brown at c18.net (Andrew Brown) Date: Tue Nov 14 21:47:25 2006 Subject: [Moderator] Re: Apple's 30" vs Dell's 30" monitor In-Reply-To: <7A0F0B3F-DD96-4E9E-B5CD-4A15EC2720E3@maxify.com> References: <221EA4E8-0D80-40F9-B6CE-C9EAE3B73F72@cocoadoc.com> <51022357-0E9F-410A-A753-7D74755573D4@mac.com> <2E3C28D4-7266-44CD-A179-1F5487E128C9@softhome.net> <7A0F0B3F-DD96-4E9E-B5CD-4A15EC2720E3@maxify.com> Message-ID: <5013D28F-38D6-419B-9869-70CCB2239FC9@c18.net> On 15 Nov 2006, at 00:59, Scott Stevenson wrote: > So... this is off-topic. Yes, but much funnier than some of the core osx issues like ipod cup- holders ;-) AB From dave at difference.com.au Tue Nov 14 21:54:25 2006 From: dave at difference.com.au (David Cake) Date: Tue Nov 14 21:55:28 2006 Subject: [Moderator] Re: Apple's 30" vs Dell's 30" monitor In-Reply-To: <7A0F0B3F-DD96-4E9E-B5CD-4A15EC2720E3@maxify.com> References: <221EA4E8-0D80-40F9-B6CE-C9EAE3B73F72@cocoadoc.com> <51022357-0E9F-410A-A753-7D74755573D4@mac.com> <2E3C28D4-7266-44CD-A179-1F5487E128C9@softhome.net> <7A0F0B3F-DD96-4E9E-B5CD-4A15EC2720E3@maxify.com> Message-ID: At 3:59 PM -0800 14/11/06, Scott Stevenson wrote: >On Nov 14, 2006, at 8:13 AM, Karl Kuehn wrote: > >>>the words... "lipstick" and "pig" come to mind :) >>> >> >> When you said that, this came to mind (end of the second paragraph): >> > >So... this is off-topic. Do we really need hair trigger moderation? One off topic post in a thread is just conversation. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /mailman/archive/macosx-talk/attachments/20061115/990bedf2/attachment.html From dave at difference.com.au Tue Nov 14 21:54:39 2006 From: dave at difference.com.au (David Cake) Date: Tue Nov 14 21:55:29 2006 Subject: Undercover theft prevention In-Reply-To: References: <60E91825-B60B-4E8D-BFEF-14632DDAE93C@autonomy.caltech.edu> <22C94FC7-BAAB-4898-B974-DA2679441B10@gmail.com> <62A17E09-1D9C-4741-AF51-258C80E2CBAF@mac.com> <388BE9DA-B8AE-4325-991C-AF6B77BC7413@gmail.com> <6FD2B693-B962-4289-AE1A-426BEE07BF3C@mac.com> Message-ID: At 10:18 PM +0800 14/11/06, Ashley Aitken wrote: >So who has (and who hasn't) set their firmware password on their Mac >laptop (I see less of an issue with a desktop)? Actually, I usually do, but I haven't on my current one. I should learn something about EFI. Also, I used to do this on a lot of desktop installs, when they were in relatively insecure installations. >Personally, I've never really considered that either (too much data >and probably too little worth to anyone but me). I don't worry about other people getting my data, I worry about me losing it. And for that, backup is the only real solution, because it protects me against a wider range of threats. From dave at difference.com.au Tue Nov 14 21:53:12 2006 From: dave at difference.com.au (David Cake) Date: Tue Nov 14 21:55:31 2006 Subject: Undercover theft prevention In-Reply-To: <17449.216.163.128.130.1163521852.squirrel@webmail.rogerroger.org> References: <60E91825-B60B-4E8D-BFEF-14632DDAE93C@autonomy.caltech.edu> <22C94FC7-BAAB-4898-B974-DA2679441B10@gmail.com> <62A17E09-1D9C-4741-AF51-258C80E2CBAF@mac.com> <388BE9DA-B8AE-4325-991C-AF6B77BC7413@gmail.com> <6FD2B693-B962-4289-AE1A-426BEE07BF3C@mac.com> <5bbc0cd60611140509tc35230r3209ad64c9db8091@mail.gmail.com> <17449.216.163.128.130.1163521852.squirrel@webmail.rogerroger.org> Message-ID: At 8:30 AM -0800 14/11/06, Roger Howard wrote: >On Tue, November 14, 2006 5:49 am, Matt Johnston wrote: >> >> On 14 Nov 2006, at 13:09, Jared Earle wrote: >> >>> On 11/14/06, Matt Johnston wrote: >>>> Sorry, I thought that laptop theft was a 'business' and people who do >>>> it were able to use Google? >>> >>> Every laptop theft I've dealt with was by an opportunist thief. >> >> Whereas my experience has been almost the opposite. Professional >> thieving bastards taking an opportunity. > >Just because they're professional doesn't mean they are smart or careful. >The kid I posted about (see previous message) is still running his scam as >no one - not Apple, LAPD, FBI, etc - would bother even after having all >their work done for them (I tracked this kid down to his doorstep, with >every bit documented). When I had a laptop stolen, and a nearly identical (including failing screen problems) model appeared on ebay in a different state, along with a couple of dozen random laptops and cell phones, the Sydney police where only to happy to send two undercovers to pick it up (Given that I'd done all the work for them). Sadly, it turned out the laptop for sale WAS stolen, but wasn't mine. Happy ending for the cops, but not for me :-( Cheers David From rogerhoward at rogerroger.org Tue Nov 14 22:09:26 2006 From: rogerhoward at rogerroger.org (rogerhoward@rogerroger.org) Date: Tue Nov 14 22:09:34 2006 Subject: Undercover theft prevention In-Reply-To: References: <60E91825-B60B-4E8D-BFEF-14632DDAE93C@autonomy.caltech.edu> <22C94FC7-BAAB-4898-B974-DA2679441B10@gmail.com> <62A17E09-1D9C-4741-AF51-258C80E2CBAF@mac.com> <388BE9DA-B8AE-4325-991C-AF6B77BC7413@gmail.com> <6FD2B693-B962-4289-AE1A-426BEE07BF3C@mac.com> <5bbc0cd60611140509tc35230r3209ad64c9db8091@mail.gmail.com> <17449.216.163.128.130.1163521852.squirrel@webmail.rogerroger.org> Message-ID: On Nov 14, 2006, at 9:53 PM, David Cake wrote: > At 8:30 AM -0800 14/11/06, Roger Howard wrote: >> On Tue, November 14, 2006 5:49 am, Matt Johnston wrote: >>> >>> On 14 Nov 2006, at 13:09, Jared Earle wrote: >>> >>>> On 11/14/06, Matt Johnston wrote: >>>>> Sorry, I thought that laptop theft was a 'business' and people >>>>> who do >>>>> it were able to use Google? >>>> >>>> Every laptop theft I've dealt with was by an opportunist thief. >>> >>> Whereas my experience has been almost the opposite. Professional >>> thieving bastards taking an opportunity. >> >> Just because they're professional doesn't mean they are smart or >> careful. >> The kid I posted about (see previous message) is still running his >> scam as >> no one - not Apple, LAPD, FBI, etc - would bother even after >> having all >> their work done for them (I tracked this kid down to his doorstep, >> with >> every bit documented). > > When I had a laptop stolen, and a nearly identical (including > failing screen problems) model appeared on ebay in a different > state, along with a couple of dozen random laptops and cell phones, > the Sydney police where only to happy to send two undercovers to > pick it up (Given that I'd done all the work for them). > Sadly, it turned out the laptop for sale WAS stolen, but wasn't > mine. Happy ending for the cops, but not for me :-( Oh, mine was provably and obviously mine (the most obvious, but hardly sole, bit of evidence there being the shot of my desktop with my name on it on the eBay listing!). I had a complete dossier on the thief; I had a statement from the person who bought it from him. I had EBay/PayPal transaction records, I figured out the kid worked for the shipping store I dropped the package off at. I had his home address, AIM screenname, EBay transaction history showing he was obviously doing this professionally, heck I even had his license plate, girlfriends name, and class schedule for next semester. LAPD wouldn't do anything for me since the machine was no longer mine - Apple was in process of providing a replacement, and Apple was only mildly interested in pursuing him, but never ended up following up. FBI and Secret Service were totally disinterested, of course - I tried playing the identity theft card (nonsense, the machine was pretty much empty, had nothing sensitive on it). So in the end, the guy who bought my machine got to keep it (he did send the harddisk back to Apple, and got a nice scare as he was military and thought he was going to get prosecuted for receiving stolen goods), the thief got to keep the $800 he got for a beat up 12" PowerBook, and I got a brand new machine. Oh, and the local Russian mafia crew he's part of got to keep doing what they do, and I made sure I never go back to that store. From rogerhoward at rogerroger.org Tue Nov 14 22:09:46 2006 From: rogerhoward at rogerroger.org (rogerhoward@rogerroger.org) Date: Tue Nov 14 22:09:56 2006 Subject: [Moderator] Re: Apple's 30" vs Dell's 30" monitor In-Reply-To: References: <221EA4E8-0D80-40F9-B6CE-C9EAE3B73F72@cocoadoc.com> <51022357-0E9F-410A-A753-7D74755573D4@mac.com> <2E3C28D4-7266-44CD-A179-1F5487E128C9@softhome.net> <7A0F0B3F-DD96-4E9E-B5CD-4A15EC2720E3@maxify.com> Message-ID: <8512F126-A378-4A27-9171-04C5C7117590@rogerroger.org> On Nov 14, 2006, at 9:54 PM, David Cake wrote: > At 3:59 PM -0800 14/11/06, Scott Stevenson wrote: >> On Nov 14, 2006, at 8:13 AM, Karl Kuehn wrote: >> >>>> the words... "lipstick" and "pig" come to mind :) >>> >>> When you said that, this came to mind (end of the second >>> paragraph): >> >> So... this is off-topic. > > Do we really need hair trigger moderation? One off topic > post in a thread is just conversation. That's two now... Wait, three! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /mailman/archive/macosx-talk/attachments/20061114/c51e12bd/attachment.html From scott at maxify.com Tue Nov 14 22:11:20 2006 From: scott at maxify.com (Scott Stevenson) Date: Tue Nov 14 22:11:31 2006 Subject: [Moderator] Re: Apple's 30" vs Dell's 30" monitor In-Reply-To: References: <221EA4E8-0D80-40F9-B6CE-C9EAE3B73F72@cocoadoc.com> <51022357-0E9F-410A-A753-7D74755573D4@mac.com> <2E3C28D4-7266-44CD-A179-1F5487E128C9@softhome.net> <7A0F0B3F-DD96-4E9E-B5CD-4A15EC2720E3@maxify.com> Message-ID: <629AB183-8BA7-42EF-B3CD-E0996756B1BD@maxify.com> On Nov 14, 2006, at 9:54 PM, David Cake wrote: >> So... this is off-topic. > > Do we really need hair trigger moderation? One off topic > post in a thread is just conversation. It's my call. There are other lists for general discussion. In any case, please email me directly with these sort of questions. Thanks, - Scott From dave at difference.com.au Tue Nov 14 21:58:12 2006 From: dave at difference.com.au (David Cake) Date: Tue Nov 14 22:13:14 2006 Subject: Undercover theft prevention In-Reply-To: <60E91825-B60B-4E8D-BFEF-14632DDAE93C@autonomy.caltech.edu> References: <60E91825-B60B-4E8D-BFEF-14632DDAE93C@autonomy.caltech.edu> Message-ID: At 3:32 PM -0800 13/11/06, Roland Torres wrote: >Hmm.. > >1. Zap PRAM >2. Boot from external hard disk >3. Wipe original boot disk >4. Reinstall OS X > >You're good to go, no? As many people have pointed out, firmware password protection, and I assume few laptops are stolen by experienced Mac professionals (I've known quite repair shops who don't know how to get around firmware password protection). Also, if they don't have install media with the laptop, then they can't do 4, which makes it much harder to sell, and if they don't have a boot disk with OS X on it, then they can't do 2. Seriously, if they are good enough and prepared enough to do this, they are could charge more for the time than they'd make for the theft. Yes, laptop theft is a serious business - but they are professional thieves, not professional computer support people, and they get away with it by plausible deniability and quickly moving on, and (as Roger points out) law enforcement failing to seriously address the problem. Professional sellers sell dozens of different models in a month plus a few dozen other high tech gadgets, and if they were smart and dedicated enough to learn how to properly data clean all of them, they wouldn't be professional lowlives. Especially as, even if they manage to wipe the disk etc, it still doesn't protect them from genuine buyers taking it to a repair place, getting it reported as stolen, and leading the cops back to them. Cheers David From jearle at gmail.com Wed Nov 15 01:51:16 2006 From: jearle at gmail.com (Jared Earle) Date: Wed Nov 15 01:51:20 2006 Subject: [Moderator] Re: Apple's 30" vs Dell's 30" monitor In-Reply-To: <629AB183-8BA7-42EF-B3CD-E0996756B1BD@maxify.com> References: <221EA4E8-0D80-40F9-B6CE-C9EAE3B73F72@cocoadoc.com> <51022357-0E9F-410A-A753-7D74755573D4@mac.com> <2E3C28D4-7266-44CD-A179-1F5487E128C9@softhome.net> <7A0F0B3F-DD96-4E9E-B5CD-4A15EC2720E3@maxify.com> <629AB183-8BA7-42EF-B3CD-E0996756B1BD@maxify.com> Message-ID: <5bbc0cd60611150151j2b3b589ekba3ccf735a335faf@mail.gmail.com> On 11/15/06, Scott Stevenson wrote: > It's my call. There are other lists for general discussion. Like Nutters. :D http://www.tit-wank.com/mailman/listinfo/osx-nutters -- Jared Earle :: There is no SPORK jearle@gmail.com :: http://www.23x.net The Spodcast :: http://spodcast.org From scott at cocoadoc.com Wed Nov 15 04:33:12 2006 From: scott at cocoadoc.com (Scott Anguish) Date: Wed Nov 15 04:33:22 2006 Subject: Apple's 30" vs Dell's 30" monitor In-Reply-To: <51022357-0E9F-410A-A753-7D74755573D4@mac.com> References: <221EA4E8-0D80-40F9-B6CE-C9EAE3B73F72@cocoadoc.com> <51022357-0E9F-410A-A753-7D74755573D4@mac.com> Message-ID: On Nov 14, 2006, at 9:27 AM, Michael Winter wrote: > > On Nov 14, 2006, at 12:02 AM, Scott Anguish wrote: > >> Honestly, I couldn't look at the Dell logo all day long. It'd >> make me sick. > > Scott, you've been a Mac user long enough you should have extra > Apple stickers around to cover it up with. OK, how about that even knowing that it was there would tear away at my sanity like the beating heart below the floorboards. From scott at cocoadoc.com Wed Nov 15 04:33:58 2006 From: scott at cocoadoc.com (Scott Anguish) Date: Wed Nov 15 04:34:01 2006 Subject: Apple's 30" vs Dell's 30" monitor In-Reply-To: References: <221EA4E8-0D80-40F9-B6CE-C9EAE3B73F72@cocoadoc.com> <51022357-0E9F-410A-A753-7D74755573D4@mac.com> Message-ID: <651A6A55-AE4E-47F4-91CF-467B70FF8FE6@cocoadoc.com> On Nov 14, 2006, at 11:05 AM, Shawn Erickson wrote: >> >> Scott, you've been a Mac user long enough you should have extra Apple >> stickers around to cover it up with. > > the words... "lipstick" and "pig" come to mind :) shawn took me to the prom, you'll have to excuse him for the temporary flashbacks. From chad at objectwerks.com Wed Nov 15 11:55:34 2006 From: chad at objectwerks.com (Chad Leigh) Date: Wed Nov 15 11:55:53 2006 Subject: adds in Japanese :) In-Reply-To: <67E7D9D0-BCED-4398-8B0A-C98A8EA6C4D9@mx6.tiki.ne.jp> References: <67E7D9D0-BCED-4398-8B0A-C98A8EA6C4D9@mx6.tiki.ne.jp> Message-ID: On Nov 11, 2006, at 1:03 AM, Jean-Christophe Helary wrote: > The first "generation" of Mac adds have just been translated to > Japanese, very very good translation :) > > http://www.apple.com/jp/ http://www.apple.com/jp/getamac/ you can see all of them at the above url the one with the PC getting a cold is pretty funny even without knowing exactly what they are saying Chad From fusion at mx6.tiki.ne.jp Wed Nov 15 13:25:22 2006 From: fusion at mx6.tiki.ne.jp (Jean-Christophe Helary) Date: Wed Nov 15 13:25:48 2006 Subject: adds in Japanese :) In-Reply-To: References: <67E7D9D0-BCED-4398-8B0A-C98A8EA6C4D9@mx6.tiki.ne.jp> Message-ID: <53B3AB78-0E2B-48F6-985E-B847D2CF2D05@mx6.tiki.ne.jp> > http://www.apple.com/jp/getamac/ > > you can see all of them at the above url > > the one with the PC getting a cold is pretty funny even without > knowing exactly what they are saying This one is about the viruses of course :) JC From zbir at urbanape.com Wed Nov 15 13:35:01 2006 From: zbir at urbanape.com (Zachery Bir) Date: Wed Nov 15 13:35:22 2006 Subject: adds in Japanese :) In-Reply-To: <53B3AB78-0E2B-48F6-985E-B847D2CF2D05@mx6.tiki.ne.jp> References: <67E7D9D0-BCED-4398-8B0A-C98A8EA6C4D9@mx6.tiki.ne.jp> <53B3AB78-0E2B-48F6-985E-B847D2CF2D05@mx6.tiki.ne.jp> Message-ID: <02A931C8-DFF5-4124-8D62-055482865585@urbanape.com> On Nov 15, 2006, at 4:25 PM, Jean-Christophe Helary wrote: >> http://www.apple.com/jp/getamac/ >> >> you can see all of them at the above url >> >> the one with the PC getting a cold is pretty funny even without >> knowing exactly what they are saying > > This one is about the viruses of course :) Encore, Dr. Obvious, encore! Zac From bentley at crenelle.com Wed Nov 15 23:16:58 2006 From: bentley at crenelle.com (Michael Brian Bentley) Date: Wed Nov 15 23:38:56 2006 Subject: Apple's 30" vs Dell's 30" monitor In-Reply-To: <651A6A55-AE4E-47F4-91CF-467B70FF8FE6@cocoadoc.com> References: <221EA4E8-0D80-40F9-B6CE-C9EAE3B73F72@cocoadoc.com> <51022357-0E9F-410A-A753-7D74755573D4@mac.com> <651A6A55-AE4E-47F4-91CF-467B70FF8FE6@cocoadoc.com> Message-ID: We've been using a DELL 24" for a couple years now, I think. It's a very good display and it offers up numerous connectors. From gkreme at gmail.com Thu Nov 16 06:44:59 2006 From: gkreme at gmail.com (Google Kreme) Date: Thu Nov 16 06:45:24 2006 Subject: .Mac and keychain Message-ID: <84DDAA16-DF13-4A52-A472-DE5C81DA7878@gmail.com> OK, so I gave up and renewed .Mac afterall, but now I'm having a problem. Despite my .mac login and password info being in the OS X keychain, every time I startup Mail.app, it asks for the password. If I don't provide it, it does not connect to .Mac until I DO provide it. checking or unchecking "store in keychain" makes no difference. And the same thing is happening with iChat. Solutions? -- I got a question. If you guys know so much about women, how come you're here at like the Gas 'n' Sip on a Saturday night completely alone drinking beers with no women anywhere? From david at idiomatrix.com Thu Nov 16 12:57:28 2006 From: david at idiomatrix.com (David Herren) Date: Thu Nov 16 12:57:55 2006 Subject: .Mac and keychain In-Reply-To: <84DDAA16-DF13-4A52-A472-DE5C81DA7878@gmail.com> References: <84DDAA16-DF13-4A52-A472-DE5C81DA7878@gmail.com> Message-ID: Have you tried deleting from the keychain, and then re-entering the login information in the System Preferences? On Nov 16, 2006, at 3:44 PM, Google Kreme wrote: > Despite my .mac login and password info being in the OS X keychain, > every time I startup Mail.app, it asks for the password. If I > don't provide it, it does not connect to .Mac until I DO provide > it. checking or unchecking "store in keychain" makes no difference. > > And the same thing is happening with iChat. > > Solutions? /david -- david herren - shoreham, vt us na terra solsys orionarm "We can come together to heal whatever wounds may exist, whatever residuals there may be." -George W. Bush with Congressional leaders, Washington, DC, Dec 18, 2000 http://www.bushorchimp.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /mailman/archive/macosx-talk/attachments/20061116/adf34976/attachment.html From alsina at mac.com Thu Nov 16 13:00:13 2006 From: alsina at mac.com (Cesar Alsina) Date: Thu Nov 16 12:59:58 2006 Subject: .Mac and keychain In-Reply-To: <84DDAA16-DF13-4A52-A472-DE5C81DA7878@gmail.com> References: <84DDAA16-DF13-4A52-A472-DE5C81DA7878@gmail.com> Message-ID: <075C5558-092C-4EB9-9703-9FD8B91D8746@mac.com> Check your keychain and delete passwords for .Mac. It's in Utilities-=20 >Keychain Access =D1I bet you know that , but in case others don't. Open Mail and check your mail. You'll have to enter the password =20 again, of course, but this may fix the problem. If that wouldn't work, I would delete the account in Mail, quit the =20 app, do the Keychain thing, launch Mail again and create a brand new =20 shiny one. Never happened to me, by the way, and I've been with it since it =20 morphed from iTools. Six years already? Good luck. On Nov 16, 2006, at 9:44 AM, Google Kreme wrote: > OK, so I gave up and renewed .Mac afterall, but now I'm having a =20 > problem. > > Despite my .mac login and password info being in the OS X keychain, =20= > every time I startup Mail.app, it asks for the password. If I =20 > don't provide it, it does not connect to .Mac until I DO provide =20 > it. checking or unchecking "store in keychain" makes no difference. > > And the same thing is happening with iChat. > > Solutions? > > --=20 > I got a question. If you guys know so much about women, how come =20 > you're here at like the Gas 'n' Sip on a Saturday night completely =20 > alone drinking beers with no women anywhere? > > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-talk mailing list > MacOSX-talk@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-talk =F0 Cesar Alsina - alsina@mac.com Apple Authorized Business Agent AA071674 Apple Product Professional Southwest Florida - Phone 239 947 3347 From newslists at autonomy.caltech.edu Thu Nov 16 18:35:31 2006 From: newslists at autonomy.caltech.edu (Roland Torres) Date: Thu Nov 16 18:35:42 2006 Subject: AGP graphics cards for PowerMacs Message-ID: <610A4A9F-BD4C-492C-86D4-782CF447A04F@autonomy.caltech.edu> We're looking to upgrade the graphics cards on our suite of 2GHz Dual G5 PowerMacs, which have aging 64MB Radeon 9600s in the AGP slot. I saw the new Radeon x1900 graphics card. It's sweet, but it's PCIe only :( I realize AGP cards are dead as dinosaurs, but does anyone have any recommendations? Roland From chad at objectwerks.com Thu Nov 16 20:10:33 2006 From: chad at objectwerks.com (Chad Leigh) Date: Thu Nov 16 20:10:37 2006 Subject: AGP graphics cards for PowerMacs In-Reply-To: <610A4A9F-BD4C-492C-86D4-782CF447A04F@autonomy.caltech.edu> References: <610A4A9F-BD4C-492C-86D4-782CF447A04F@autonomy.caltech.edu> Message-ID: On Nov 16, 2006, at 7:35 PM, Roland Torres wrote: > We're looking to upgrade the graphics cards on our suite of 2GHz > Dual G5 PowerMacs, which have aging 64MB Radeon 9600s in the AGP > slot. I saw the new Radeon x1900 graphics card. It's sweet, but > it's PCIe only :( > > I realize AGP cards are dead as dinosaurs, but does anyone have any > recommendations? I don't have one (having the nvidia 6800 GT) but this looks really promising and was a good card when it first came out: http://eshop.macsales.com/item/ATI%20Technologies/100435317/ Radeon X800 AGP Also check eBay for the 6800 nvidia cards Chad > > Roland > > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-talk mailing list > MacOSX-talk@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-talk From chad at objectwerks.com Fri Nov 17 07:48:30 2006 From: chad at objectwerks.com (Chad Leigh) Date: Fri Nov 17 07:48:40 2006 Subject: Apple Teams Up With Air France, Continental, Delta, Emirates, KLM & United to Deliver iPod Integration In-Reply-To: References: <7A6F25B2-829E-4E75-9770-A58DD04F64AA@objectwerks.com> <54F8AC60-08DD-4D61-9F8C-AC6A51AA6D4E@mac.com> Message-ID: <978B12B8-8772-496A-B294-3539B67645D3@objectwerks.com> From a blog -- more details on this From newslists at autonomy.caltech.edu Fri Nov 17 09:58:42 2006 From: newslists at autonomy.caltech.edu (Roland Torres) Date: Fri Nov 17 09:59:00 2006 Subject: AGP graphics cards for PowerMacs In-Reply-To: References: <610A4A9F-BD4C-492C-86D4-782CF447A04F@autonomy.caltech.edu> Message-ID: <240712B0-E4A0-4D3F-8952-FE23D6BB7579@autonomy.caltech.edu> On Nov 16, 2006, at 8:10 PM, Chad Leigh wrote: > Also check eBay for the 6800 nvidia cards Hmm, is there a difference between "Mac" versions of these cards and their Windows bretheren? Or is it just the case that they come with Mac drivers (which I could conceivably just download if I bought a non-Mac card)? It seems the Mac versions are more expensive, but I don't know if this is for good reason or not. Roland From shawnce at gmail.com Fri Nov 17 11:33:03 2006 From: shawnce at gmail.com