From ahoesch at smartsoft.de Mon Sep 3 08:35:09 2007 From: ahoesch at smartsoft.de (ahoesch) Date: Mon Sep 3 09:01:00 2007 Subject: Installing 10.2 on 10.4 machine Message-ID: <46DC29AD.7080705@smartsoft.de> Hi all, we have an old PowerMac thet ran MacOSX 10.2 for years. We recently installed 10.4 but need to downgrade this machine again for special reasons. I inserted the install DVD and pressed c while the computer was restarted, but the machine refuses to boot from the 10.2 install dvd. What do I have to do to get this to work? Any idea? Thanks a lot, Andreas From larkost at softhome.net Mon Sep 3 09:51:00 2007 From: larkost at softhome.net (Karl Kuehn) Date: Mon Sep 3 09:51:08 2007 Subject: Installing 10.2 on 10.4 machine In-Reply-To: <46DC29AD.7080705@smartsoft.de> References: <46DC29AD.7080705@smartsoft.de> Message-ID: On Sep 3, 2007, at 11:35 AM, ahoesch wrote: > we have an old PowerMac thet ran MacOSX 10.2 for years. We recently > installed 10.4 but need to downgrade this machine again for special > reasons. I inserted the install DVD and pressed c while the computer > was restarted, but the machine refuses to boot from the 10.2 install > dvd. What do I have to do to get this to work? I am sorry to tell you, but you can't really. 10.2 does not know how to drive the newer hardware. If you need 10.2, then you are going to have to find a computer that came with that OS to run it. -- Karl Kuehn larkost@softhome.net From shawnce at gmail.com Mon Sep 3 09:56:28 2007 From: shawnce at gmail.com (Shawn Erickson) Date: Mon Sep 3 09:56:49 2007 Subject: Installing 10.2 on 10.4 machine In-Reply-To: References: <46DC29AD.7080705@smartsoft.de> Message-ID: On Sep 3, 2007, at 9:51 AM, Karl Kuehn wrote: > On Sep 3, 2007, at 11:35 AM, ahoesch wrote: > >> we have an old PowerMac thet ran MacOSX 10.2 for years. We >> recently installed 10.4 but need to downgrade this machine again >> for special reasons. I inserted the install DVD and pressed c >> while the computer was restarted, but the machine refuses to boot >> from the 10.2 install dvd. What do I have to do to get this to work? > > I am sorry to tell you, but you can't really. 10.2 does not know > how to drive the newer hardware. If you need 10.2, then you are > going to have to find a computer that came with that OS to run it. Sounds like they have older hardware that was running 10.2. With that said they will need to find a 10.2 disc that came out after their system came out (or find the disc that came with the system if it was 10.2). -Shawn From ahoesch at smartsoft.de Mon Sep 3 09:57:57 2007 From: ahoesch at smartsoft.de (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Andreas_H=F6schler?=) Date: Mon Sep 3 09:58:05 2007 Subject: Installing 10.2 on 10.4 machine In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi, >> we have an old PowerMac thet ran MacOSX 10.2 for years. We recently >> installed 10.4 but need to downgrade this machine again for special >> reasons. I inserted the install DVD and pressed c while the computer >> was restarted, but the machine refuses to boot from the 10.2 install >> dvd. What do I have to do to get this to work? > > I am sorry to tell you, but you can't really. 10.2 does not know how > to drive the newer hardware. If you need 10.2, then you are going to > have to find a computer that came with that OS to run it. This (old) machine came with 10.2 installed. I upgraded it to 10.4 later and want to downgrade again!? Thanks, Andreas From larkost at softhome.net Mon Sep 3 10:03:29 2007 From: larkost at softhome.net (Karl Kuehn) Date: Mon Sep 3 10:03:57 2007 Subject: Installing 10.2 on 10.4 machine In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sep 3, 2007, at 12:57 PM, Andreas H?schler wrote: >> I am sorry to tell you, but you can't really. 10.2 does not know >> how to drive the newer hardware. If you need 10.2, then you are >> going to have to find a computer that came with that OS to run it. > > This (old) machine came with 10.2 installed. I upgraded it to 10.4 > later and want to downgrade again!? Woops... my mistake. I guess I am still not quite awake.... -- Karl Kuehn larkost@softhome.net From finlay.dobbie at gmail.com Mon Sep 3 10:39:35 2007 From: finlay.dobbie at gmail.com (Finlay Dobbie) Date: Mon Sep 3 10:39:38 2007 Subject: Installing 10.2 on 10.4 machine In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: You will need to use the install discs which came with that computer. -- Finlay On 03/09/07, Andreas H?schler wrote: > Hi, > > >> we have an old PowerMac thet ran MacOSX 10.2 for years. We recently > >> installed 10.4 but need to downgrade this machine again for special > >> reasons. I inserted the install DVD and pressed c while the computer > >> was restarted, but the machine refuses to boot from the 10.2 install > >> dvd. What do I have to do to get this to work? > > > > I am sorry to tell you, but you can't really. 10.2 does not know how > > to drive the newer hardware. If you need 10.2, then you are going to > > have to find a computer that came with that OS to run it. > > This (old) machine came with 10.2 installed. I upgraded it to 10.4 > later and want to downgrade again!? > > Thanks, > > Andreas > > > > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-admin mailing list > MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin > From hexstar at gmail.com Mon Sep 3 10:43:30 2007 From: hexstar at gmail.com (Hex Star) Date: Mon Sep 3 10:43:34 2007 Subject: Installing 10.2 on 10.4 machine In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5dc6fd9e0709031043u29dad21al58f7928be0ee4c6d@mail.gmail.com> Find the install discs that came with your mac and use those, that will work. From kcarm at denardis.com Mon Sep 3 18:43:59 2007 From: kcarm at denardis.com (Kim C.) Date: Mon Sep 3 19:05:37 2007 Subject: Installing 10.2 on 10.4 machine References: <20070903190001.591621AF8AB@forums.omnigroup.com> Message-ID: <001201c7ee95$1070e380$0401a8c0@IBM18FADC7653A> ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, September 03, 2007 3:00 PM Subject: MacOSX-admin Digest, Vol 45, Issue 1 > Send MacOSX-admin mailing list submissions to > macosx-admin@omnigroup.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > macosx-admin-request@omnigroup.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > macosx-admin-owner@omnigroup.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of MacOSX-admin digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Installing 10.2 on 10.4 machine (ahoesch) > 2. Re: Installing 10.2 on 10.4 machine (Karl Kuehn) > 3. Re: Installing 10.2 on 10.4 machine (Shawn Erickson) > 4. Re: Installing 10.2 on 10.4 machine (Andreas H?schler) > 5. Re: Installing 10.2 on 10.4 machine (Karl Kuehn) > 6. Re: Installing 10.2 on 10.4 machine (Finlay Dobbie) > 7. Re: Installing 10.2 on 10.4 machine (Hex Star) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2007 17:35:09 +0200 > From: ahoesch > Subject: Installing 10.2 on 10.4 machine > To: macosx-admin@omnigroup.com > Message-ID: <46DC29AD.7080705@smartsoft.de> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-10; format=flowed > > Hi all, > > we have an old PowerMac thet ran MacOSX 10.2 for years. We recently > installed 10.4 but need to downgrade this machine again for special > reasons. I inserted the install DVD and pressed c while the computer was > restarted, but the machine refuses to boot from the 10.2 install dvd. > What do I have to do to get this to work? > > Any idea? > > Thanks a lot, > > Andreas > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 12:51:00 -0400 > From: Karl Kuehn > Subject: Re: Installing 10.2 on 10.4 machine > To: ahoesch > Cc: macosx-admin Admin > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes > > On Sep 3, 2007, at 11:35 AM, ahoesch wrote: > >> we have an old PowerMac thet ran MacOSX 10.2 for years. We recently >> installed 10.4 but need to downgrade this machine again for special >> reasons. I inserted the install DVD and pressed c while the computer >> was restarted, but the machine refuses to boot from the 10.2 install >> dvd. What do I have to do to get this to work? > > I am sorry to tell you, but you can't really. 10.2 does not know how > to drive the newer hardware. If you need 10.2, then you are going to > have to find a computer that came with that OS to run it. > > -- > Karl Kuehn > larkost@softhome.net > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2007 09:56:28 -0700 > From: Shawn Erickson > Subject: Re: Installing 10.2 on 10.4 machine > To: Karl Kuehn , ahoesch > Cc: macosx-admin Admin > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed > > > On Sep 3, 2007, at 9:51 AM, Karl Kuehn wrote: > >> On Sep 3, 2007, at 11:35 AM, ahoesch wrote: >> >>> we have an old PowerMac thet ran MacOSX 10.2 for years. We >>> recently installed 10.4 but need to downgrade this machine again >>> for special reasons. I inserted the install DVD and pressed c >>> while the computer was restarted, but the machine refuses to boot >>> from the 10.2 install dvd. What do I have to do to get this to work? >> >> I am sorry to tell you, but you can't really. 10.2 does not know >> how to drive the newer hardware. If you need 10.2, then you are >> going to have to find a computer that came with that OS to run it. > > Sounds like they have older hardware that was running 10.2. With that > said they will need to find a 10.2 disc that came out after their > system came out (or find the disc that came with the system if it was > 10.2). > > -Shawn > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 18:57:57 +0200 > From: Andreas H?schler > Subject: Re: Installing 10.2 on 10.4 machine > To: Karl Kuehn > Cc: macosx-admin Admin > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed > > Hi, > >>> we have an old PowerMac thet ran MacOSX 10.2 for years. We recently >>> installed 10.4 but need to downgrade this machine again for special >>> reasons. I inserted the install DVD and pressed c while the computer >>> was restarted, but the machine refuses to boot from the 10.2 install >>> dvd. What do I have to do to get this to work? >> >> I am sorry to tell you, but you can't really. 10.2 does not know how >> to drive the newer hardware. If you need 10.2, then you are going to >> have to find a computer that came with that OS to run it. > > This (old) machine came with 10.2 installed. I upgraded it to 10.4 > later and want to downgrade again!? > > Thanks, > > Andreas > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 13:03:29 -0400 > From: Karl Kuehn > Subject: Re: Installing 10.2 on 10.4 machine > To: " Andreas H?schler " > Cc: macosx-admin Admin > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed; delsp=yes > > On Sep 3, 2007, at 12:57 PM, Andreas H?schler wrote: > >>> I am sorry to tell you, but you can't really. 10.2 does not know >>> how to drive the newer hardware. If you need 10.2, then you are >>> going to have to find a computer that came with that OS to run it. >> >> This (old) machine came with 10.2 installed. I upgraded it to 10.4 >> later and want to downgrade again!? > > Woops... my mistake. I guess I am still not quite awake.... > > -- > Karl Kuehn > larkost@softhome.net > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 18:39:35 +0100 > From: "Finlay Dobbie" > Subject: Re: Installing 10.2 on 10.4 machine > To: " Andreas H?schler " , "Karl Kuehn" > , "macosx-admin Admin" > > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > You will need to use the install discs which came with that computer. > > -- Finlay > > On 03/09/07, Andreas H?schler wrote: >> Hi, >> >> >> we have an old PowerMac thet ran MacOSX 10.2 for years. We recently >> >> installed 10.4 but need to downgrade this machine again for special >> >> reasons. I inserted the install DVD and pressed c while the computer >> >> was restarted, but the machine refuses to boot from the 10.2 install >> >> dvd. What do I have to do to get this to work? >> > >> > I am sorry to tell you, but you can't really. 10.2 does not know how >> > to drive the newer hardware. If you need 10.2, then you are going to >> > have to find a computer that came with that OS to run it. >> >> This (old) machine came with 10.2 installed. I upgraded it to 10.4 >> later and want to downgrade again!? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Andreas >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> MacOSX-admin mailing list >> MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com >> http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin >> > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 10:43:30 -0700 > From: "Hex Star" > Subject: Re: Installing 10.2 on 10.4 machine > To: finlay@dobbie.net, macosx-admin@omnigroup.com > Message-ID: > <5dc6fd9e0709031043u29dad21al58f7928be0ee4c6d@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Find the install discs that came with your mac and use those, that will > work. > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-admin mailing list > MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin > > > End of MacOSX-admin Digest, Vol 45, Issue 1 > ******************************************* I solved a similar problem by re-formating my drive with OS 9. After doing so I was able to boot off the OS 10 disc again and install OS X. From ahoesch at smartsoft.de Tue Sep 4 01:19:41 2007 From: ahoesch at smartsoft.de (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Andreas_H=F6schler?=) Date: Tue Sep 4 01:19:49 2007 Subject: Installing 10.2 on 10.4 machine In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <9629B312-5ABF-11DC-8793-003065CCA582@smartsoft.de> Hi all, > You will need to use the install discs which came with that computer. Found them and that works! Thanks a lot! Regards, Andreas From kremels at kreme.com Tue Sep 4 06:25:08 2007 From: kremels at kreme.com (LuKreme) Date: Tue Sep 4 06:25:42 2007 Subject: Installing 10.2 on 10.4 machine In-Reply-To: <46DC29AD.7080705@smartsoft.de> References: <46DC29AD.7080705@smartsoft.de> Message-ID: <40429D3B-EB00-4183-8901-6FAAB4699179@kreme.com> On 3-Sep-2007, at 09:35, ahoesch wrote: > we have an old PowerMac thet ran MacOSX 10.2 for years. We recently > installed 10.4 but need to downgrade this machine again for special > reasons. I inserted the install DVD and pressed c while the > computer was restarted, but the machine refuses to boot from the > 10.2 install dvd. What do I have to do to get this to work? I believe there has been a firmware update in the intervening years that will prevent you runnin 10.2. You cn run 10.3, but I am not sure there is anyway to go all the way bak to 10.2 or earlier. I have to ask though, WHY? 10.2 is so weak compared to even 10.3.9... -- "Queen Isabella and King Ferdinand kicked 200,000 Jews out of Spain, one of the first acts of the Spanish Inquisition, which no one ever expects. " John Carroll's 21st Annual Xmas Quiz answers From mah at jump-ing.de Tue Sep 4 09:29:51 2007 From: mah at jump-ing.de (Markus Hitter) Date: Tue Sep 4 09:30:00 2007 Subject: Installing 10.2 on 10.4 machine In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9E4A3672-CB33-4D8F-A12F-94B911484BF9@jump-ing.de> Am 03.09.2007 um 18:57 schrieb Andreas H?schler: > This (old) machine came with 10.2 installed. It came with 10.2? So, it can't be _that_ old: > I upgraded it to 10.4 later and want to downgrade again!? At the boot chime, hold down the option key. Then you should be able to select the boot disk of choice. If the CD doesn't show up it can't boot (non-bootable copy?). Markus - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/ From hexstar at gmail.com Tue Sep 4 21:11:58 2007 From: hexstar at gmail.com (Hex Star) Date: Tue Sep 4 21:12:01 2007 Subject: Installing 10.2 on 10.4 machine In-Reply-To: <9629B312-5ABF-11DC-8793-003065CCA582@smartsoft.de> References: <9629B312-5ABF-11DC-8793-003065CCA582@smartsoft.de> Message-ID: <5dc6fd9e0709042111v29918e51xe1f7bf710573cdc1@mail.gmail.com> On 9/4/07, Andreas H?schler wrote: > > > > Found them and that works! > > Thanks a lot! > > Regards, > > Andreas > > You're welcome, glad I could help :) From brianw at sounds.wa.com Wed Sep 5 01:00:50 2007 From: brianw at sounds.wa.com (Brian Willoughby) Date: Wed Sep 5 01:00:57 2007 Subject: Sieve mail filtering on Mac OS X Server 10.4 Message-ID: <4595E606-38B7-468C-BD97-87DB44C352B2@sounds.wa.com> Hi folks, Looks like Cyrusoft has gone bankrupt since Apple wrote the Mail Service 10.4 Manual. I'm trying to learn how to install a script for a user and get it working. I have not been able to find complete documentation anywhere online or in Apple's materials. Pointers are welcome! I currently have sendmail 8.13.8 running on Mac OS X Server 10.4 and delivering mail to Cyrus IMAP just fine. But email sorting is an important feature that I need to get working. Now I want to enable Sieve and install a script for at least one user. P.S. Any help with mapping the Folders I see in Mail.app to Cyrus Sieve paths would also be helpful. Every example I come across on the web for Cyrus IMAP and/or Sieve uses paths which do not match the existing IMAP Folders I am currently using. Note: I would also be willing to consider having sendmail deliver to procmail locally, but I have not been able to find a reliable way to get procmail to deliver into Cyrus IMAP. Seems like getting Sieve to work would be simpler, but either approach will suffice. I have experience with procmail from the previous Mac server, before the Xserve. Brian Willoughby From dmz-lists at tffenterprises.com Wed Sep 5 02:24:46 2007 From: dmz-lists at tffenterprises.com (Daniel M. Zimmerman) Date: Wed Sep 5 02:24:48 2007 Subject: Sieve mail filtering on Mac OS X Server 10.4 In-Reply-To: <4595E606-38B7-468C-BD97-87DB44C352B2@sounds.wa.com> References: <4595E606-38B7-468C-BD97-87DB44C352B2@sounds.wa.com> Message-ID: <411A3BAD35F273B0C48BAC0C@[10.0.1.6]> --On 5 September 2007 01:00:50 -0700 Brian Willoughby wrote: > Hi folks, > > Looks like Cyrusoft has gone bankrupt since Apple wrote the Mail Service > 10.4 Manual. True, but it's odd that they're referenced in there at all. Cyrus IMAP is not, and never was, maintained by Cyrusoft; they were the Mulberry people, and as it happens, Mulberry is still alive (and open source!). Cyrus IMAP is maintained by the Cyrus group at Carnegie Mellon, , and there's some information about Sieve there; Cyrusoft did host the Sieve Home Page, which is archived on the Internet archive, . Mulberry, available from , has a Sieve script editor; perhaps using that can help. There's also a site, , that has (and/or links to) a bunch of information about Sieve, including tutorials and example scripts. -Dan ------------------------------------------------------------------ Daniel M. Zimmerman TFF Enterprises 1900 Commerce St. Box 358426 http://www.tffenterprises.com/~dmz/ Tacoma, WA 98402 USA dmz@tffenterprises.com From brianw at sounds.wa.com Wed Sep 5 11:00:47 2007 From: brianw at sounds.wa.com (Brian Willoughby) Date: Wed Sep 5 11:00:56 2007 Subject: Sieve mail filtering on Mac OS X Server 10.4 In-Reply-To: <411A3BAD35F273B0C48BAC0C@[10.0.1.6]> References: <4595E606-38B7-468C-BD97-87DB44C352B2@sounds.wa.com> <411A3BAD35F273B0C48BAC0C@[10.0.1.6]> Message-ID: Got it working. Apple's instructions to enable Sieve are a bit too brief. There was a clue, however. They mentioned the /usr/sieve directory outside of the "Enabling Sieve Support" section, and when I checked /var/log/system.log I found mention of a permissions error. Creating /usr/sieve with cyrusimap:mail ownership was enough to get things working. Thanks! On Sep 5, 2007, at 02:24, Daniel M. Zimmerman wrote: --On 5 September 2007 01:00:50 -0700 Brian Willoughby wrote: > Looks like Cyrusoft has gone bankrupt since Apple wrote the Mail > Service > 10.4 Manual. True, but it's odd that they're referenced in there at all. Cyrus IMAP is not, and never was, maintained by Cyrusoft; they were the Mulberry people, and as it happens, Mulberry is still alive (and open source!). Cyrus IMAP is maintained by the Cyrus group at Carnegie Mellon, , and there's some information about Sieve there; Cyrusoft did host the Sieve Home Page, which is archived on the Internet archive, . Mulberry, available from , has a Sieve script editor; perhaps using that can help. There's also a site, , that has (and/or links to) a bunch of information about Sieve, including tutorials and example scripts. -Dan From lance at quantumbioinc.com Fri Sep 7 11:22:06 2007 From: lance at quantumbioinc.com (Lance Westerhoff) Date: Fri Sep 7 11:47:56 2007 Subject: Multihoming/Multi-ISP question Message-ID: <3B286F13-B2BA-4ED1-A4D7-122B8FA9DDC3@quantumbioinc.com> Hello- We recently switched from one ISP to another, and as our domain and whatnot are changed over, I was hoping to listen to both IPs at once. I have a Mac OS X Server (10.4) with three working ethernet cards: one for each of the internet connections, and one for an internal network. The machine also acts as our DHCP/NAT box for our small office network. Again, all of this works except one thing: I can't listen to both internet connections at once. Basically, if I set one up in the Network Control Panel as the top connection, the other internet connection goes down. I figured that one of the interfaces is down, but according to ifconfig they are both up but I haven't been able to use ifconfig to have accept packets from both. I must be missing something stupid. I have spent hours looking around to no avail. It doesn't really seem to be an IPalias situation since technically it isn't an alias to another interface. When I try to set up an alias using ifconfig, no matter what I do (to either interface) seems to do the trick. Unfortunately, this is just a temporary need until everything gets switched over/tested. I've set up a similar situation without trouble on Linux before so I can't imagine OS X Server can't do the same thing! Thank you for your time and insights! -Lance From lance at quantumbioinc.com Fri Sep 7 13:13:44 2007 From: lance at quantumbioinc.com (Lance Westerhoff) Date: Fri Sep 7 13:14:19 2007 Subject: Multihoming/Multi-ISP question In-Reply-To: <55FA6A16-F15B-47A0-88DE-17EDF5C29B09@liveworld.com> References: <3B286F13-B2BA-4ED1-A4D7-122B8FA9DDC3@quantumbioinc.com> <55FA6A16-F15B-47A0-88DE-17EDF5C29B09@liveworld.com> Message-ID: Hi Andrew- I've been playing with it a bit more, and the odd thing is, I can get it to work depending upon which IP address is placed on which NIC (always a good sign I know!). So if I put IP1 on NIC1 and IP2 on NIC2 and then put NIC1 ahead of NIC2 on the list in network control panel, it works! Pings to both NICs from an outside source return just fine... The fun begins when I shift NIC2 ahead of NIC1 on the list... When I do that, pings from the outside are only answered when I ping NIC2 and any pings to NIC1 are dropped. Interesting: NIC1 = Builtin port on old dual-G4 NIC2 = Farralon (sp?) Card NIC3 = Netgear card In terms of the default gateway, I thought of that too since I could see the pings packets being received on the second NIC, but they weren't sending back out correctly. Unfortunately, I had hoped that there was a "quick fix" I could use for the time being. Thankfully, the NIC1/NIC2 ordering I noted above seems to work for now...I only really need it for a few days so I can accept the less-then-robust status for now I guess....It is weird though! -Lance On Sep 7, 2007, at 2:56 PM, Andrew Oliver wrote: > you're missing the fact that you can only have one default gateway. > > ALL non-local traffic (or, at least, traffic that doesn't have a > static route defined) will go out through the default router address. > > This means that you can not have two active, public IP addresses on > a server - traffic may come in on the second link, but it's going > to go out of the first link, and that is going to break most models. > > In short, what you want can't be done easily without a proper > router between your server and the outside world. > In theory you can use source routing (look at the source of the > packet to decide which router address to send it back through), but > I haven't heard of any successful implementations on Mac OS X. > > Andrew > :) > > On Sep 7, 2007, at 11:22 AM, Lance Westerhoff wrote: > >> >> Hello- >> >> We recently switched from one ISP to another, and as our domain >> and whatnot are changed over, I was hoping to listen to both IPs >> at once. I have a Mac OS X Server (10.4) with three working >> ethernet cards: one for each of the internet connections, and one >> for an internal network. The machine also acts as our DHCP/NAT >> box for our small office network. Again, all of this works except >> one thing: I can't listen to both internet connections at once. >> Basically, if I set one up in the Network Control Panel as the top >> connection, the other internet connection goes down. I figured >> that one of the interfaces is down, but according to ifconfig they >> are both up but I haven't been able to use ifconfig to have accept >> packets from both. I must be missing something stupid. I have >> spent hours looking around to no avail. It doesn't really seem to >> be an IPalias situation since technically it isn't an alias to >> another interface. When I try to set up an alias using ifconfig, >> no matter what I do (to either interface) seems to do the trick. >> >> Unfortunately, this is just a temporary need until everything gets >> switched over/tested. I've set up a similar situation without >> trouble on Linux before so I can't imagine OS X Server can't do >> the same thing! >> >> Thank you for your time and insights! >> >> -Lance >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> MacOSX-admin mailing list >> MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com >> http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin >> > > From hexstar at gmail.com Thu Sep 13 07:33:49 2007 From: hexstar at gmail.com (Hex Star) Date: Thu Sep 13 07:33:55 2007 Subject: NoMachine NX type software for Mac OS X? In-Reply-To: <5dc6fd9e0709130717j4ee958fcm53d9535d1517b634@mail.gmail.com> References: <5dc6fd9e0709122108g3118740bhdaad3b0c6e47af69@mail.gmail.com> <2DB8E601-6CA0-451E-90D6-8F7AF5D024E3@mac.com> <5dc6fd9e0709122321v37130296ld003917d9fe92554@mail.gmail.com> <37A73317-B11D-42AA-82ED-F97C2A2E83EF@joar.com> <5dc6fd9e0709130717j4ee958fcm53d9535d1517b634@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5dc6fd9e0709130733q6344a77dmc0de3c0369bfbd4@mail.gmail.com> So I found this article: http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/a/mac/2002/02/08/netinfo.html which seems quite interesting but it looks like it was written before Mac OS X Tiger was released? Has the user home directory preference changed location in NetInfo since the release of Tiger and if so where is it? If I enable file sharing on the main desktop machine and set the home folder for users on the laptop to the desktop machine (e.g. afp://ipaddresshere) making sure user ids/groups are the same should this work as an alternative to relying on an ldap server (thus allowing me to just have the same users created locally on both machines while also allowing the laptop to see the user files stored on the desktop machine)? Also, adding users with the same Name/Short Name as the desktop machine should be sufficient for duplicating the user/group ids right? Thanks! :) From hexstar at gmail.com Thu Sep 13 07:34:38 2007 From: hexstar at gmail.com (Hex Star) Date: Thu Sep 13 07:34:43 2007 Subject: NoMachine NX type software for Mac OS X? In-Reply-To: <37A73317-B11D-42AA-82ED-F97C2A2E83EF@joar.com> References: <5dc6fd9e0709122108g3118740bhdaad3b0c6e47af69@mail.gmail.com> <2DB8E601-6CA0-451E-90D6-8F7AF5D024E3@mac.com> <5dc6fd9e0709122321v37130296ld003917d9fe92554@mail.gmail.com> <37A73317-B11D-42AA-82ED-F97C2A2E83EF@joar.com> Message-ID: <5dc6fd9e0709130734l735ff3c5lfcfaf00e2dad4035@mail.gmail.com> On 9/13/07, j o a r wrote: > > > > > I guess what you're referring to here is to have network mounted home > directories? > Mac OS X Server makes it easier to set it up, but it's not a > requirement. You could use almost any OS - including a standard copy > of Mac OS X. > > If you want to be fancy you could include authentication to directory > services on the network, but for a home setup you could get away with > just the network mounted home directories and regular local user > accounts. > > See this page, and make sure to also check the "Reference Material" > link at the end: > > > > > Thank you, this is just what I'm looking for. I'll just put my ubuntu mac mini to work on this task. :) From hexstar at gmail.com Thu Sep 13 07:36:18 2007 From: hexstar at gmail.com (Hex Star) Date: Thu Sep 13 07:36:22 2007 Subject: NoMachine NX type software for Mac OS X? In-Reply-To: <5dc6fd9e0709130733q6344a77dmc0de3c0369bfbd4@mail.gmail.com> References: <5dc6fd9e0709122108g3118740bhdaad3b0c6e47af69@mail.gmail.com> <2DB8E601-6CA0-451E-90D6-8F7AF5D024E3@mac.com> <5dc6fd9e0709122321v37130296ld003917d9fe92554@mail.gmail.com> <37A73317-B11D-42AA-82ED-F97C2A2E83EF@joar.com> <5dc6fd9e0709130717j4ee958fcm53d9535d1517b634@mail.gmail.com> <5dc6fd9e0709130733q6344a77dmc0de3c0369bfbd4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5dc6fd9e0709130736l4e7e5bdcs47d255345a863311@mail.gmail.com> On 9/13/07, Hex Star wrote: > > So I found this article: > http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/a/mac/2002/02/08/netinfo.html which seems > quite interesting but it looks like it was written before Mac OS X Tiger was > released? Has the user home directory preference changed location in NetInfo > since the release of Tiger and if so where is it? If I enable file sharing > on the main desktop machine and set the home folder for users on the laptop > to the desktop machine ( e.g. afp://ipaddresshere) making sure user > ids/groups are the same should this work as an alternative to relying on an > ldap server (thus allowing me to just have the same users created locally on > both machines while also allowing the laptop to see the user files stored on > the desktop machine)? Also, adding users with the same Name/Short Name as > the desktop machine should be sufficient for duplicating the user/group ids > right? Thanks! :) > Still would like an answer to these questions, thanks :) From hexstar at gmail.com Thu Sep 13 13:16:13 2007 From: hexstar at gmail.com (Hex Star) Date: Thu Sep 13 13:16:21 2007 Subject: NoMachine NX type software for Mac OS X? In-Reply-To: <43956.192.168.1.3.1189694536.squirrel@frank.mercea.net> References: <5dc6fd9e0709122108g3118740bhdaad3b0c6e47af69@mail.gmail.com> <2DB8E601-6CA0-451E-90D6-8F7AF5D024E3@mac.com> <5dc6fd9e0709122321v37130296ld003917d9fe92554@mail.gmail.com> <37A73317-B11D-42AA-82ED-F97C2A2E83EF@joar.com> <5dc6fd9e0709130717j4ee958fcm53d9535d1517b634@mail.gmail.com> <5dc6fd9e0709130733q6344a77dmc0de3c0369bfbd4@mail.gmail.com> <5dc6fd9e0709130736l4e7e5bdcs47d255345a863311@mail.gmail.com> <43956.192.168.1.3.1189694536.squirrel@frank.mercea.net> Message-ID: <5dc6fd9e0709131316n4ee66b06o1ccbd4321db156a5@mail.gmail.com> Ok so here is my plan: Install ldap on main desktop mac as explained here: http://www.wickedlush.com/blog/2005/10/06/setting-up-ldap-slapd-on-mac-os-x-non-server-edition/ Configure ldap on main desktop mac and configure laptop to authenticate to main desktop ldap as explained here: http://mattfleming.com/node/190 That will take care of being able to have the same desktop, mail, etc but it won't take care of being able to add things to the desktop and such on the laptop and having it be the same on the desktop, in particular when the laptop is used and the desktop mac is not on. So for that after logging into the accounts on the laptop and authenticating against ldap I'll go into account prefs and make them mobile as detailed here: http://mattfleming.com/node/190 This sound like a good way to accomplish what I'm looking for? Thanks! :) P.S. In case you missed it... Here is pretty much what I'm looking for: My family wants to have one desktop machine that people can use as they please, each person (except me, I paid for my own computer...and for good reason :P) has their own account on the machine so that they have their own desktop, home folder, itunes library, mail, etc. This is already done. Now they want to expand to a laptop as well so that when someone is using the desktop and someone else wants to use the computer as well it will be possible for that to happen. However they also want to be able to be on the laptop and be able to see their usual desktop, mail, etc. So my thought is that I could setup a remote access server on the desktop computer so that people can use the desktop computer as they wish while also allowing people on the laptop to login to the desktop mac at the same time and pull up their own desktop and everything. NX seems to do this for the PC and that is why I am looking for something functionally similar. From brendan.mahony at dsto.defence.gov.au Thu Sep 13 17:29:37 2007 From: brendan.mahony at dsto.defence.gov.au (Dr. Brendan Patrick Mahony) Date: Thu Sep 13 17:29:52 2007 Subject: NoMachine NX type software for Mac OS X? In-Reply-To: <5dc6fd9e0709131316n4ee66b06o1ccbd4321db156a5@mail.gmail.com> References: <5dc6fd9e0709122108g3118740bhdaad3b0c6e47af69@mail.gmail.com> <2DB8E601-6CA0-451E-90D6-8F7AF5D024E3@mac.com> <5dc6fd9e0709122321v37130296ld003917d9fe92554@mail.gmail.com> <37A73317-B11D-42AA-82ED-F97C2A2E83EF@joar.com> <5dc6fd9e0709130717j4ee958fcm53d9535d1517b634@mail.gmail.com> <5dc6fd9e0709130733q6344a77dmc0de3c0369bfbd4@mail.gmail.com> <5dc6fd9e0709130736l4e7e5bdcs47d255345a863311@mail.gmail.com> <43956.192.168.1.3.1189694536.squirrel@frank.mercea.net> <5dc6fd9e0709131316n4ee66b06o1ccbd4321db156a5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <05845235-F6FC-471A-B151-1EDBD184B1B3@dsto.defence.gov.au> Thanks for starting up this thread. Mobile/network home directories seems such a compelling solution for the home computer network that I really can't see why Apple does not offer easy authentication server support in OS X client. Buying and maintaining OS X server seems a tad expensive, given you are forking out for multiple (premium) hardware boxes already. Additionally there don't really seem to be any good web resources to help even a relatively savvy user get going. What there is is aimed at Linux server to OS X client, but if I'm going to make a machine a server (possibly a dedicated server) then it is also going to be an iTunes (audio and video) server, which means an OS X box. Up till 10.4 you could easily make an authentication server with Netinfo Manager, but 10.4 removed its ability to create a master domain whilst adding the mobile homes that make network homes so compelling. Does anyone know of a how-to for making a Netinfo master domain under 10.4? I've been waiting on 2 or 3 hardware purchases to see what the situation is with 10.5, but this thread is great. With 10.4, slapd seems the main game, but configuring this beast seems complete gobbledygook. On 14/09/2007, at 5:46 AM, Hex Star wrote: > Ok so here is my plan: > > Install ldap on main desktop mac as explained here: > http://www.wickedlush.com/blog/2005/10/06/setting-up-ldap-slapd-on- > mac-os-x-non-server-edition/ How did you decide what 'my-domain' is? Dynamic IPs under DHCP confuse me on this matter. It would make the whole thing a lot more accessible if the standard 10.4 openldap could be used. Does anyone have a solution? > > Configure ldap on main desktop mac and configure laptop to > authenticate to > main desktop ldap as explained here: http://mattfleming.com/node/190 > > That will take care of being able to have the same desktop, mail, > etc but it > won't take care of being able to add things to the desktop and such > on the > laptop and having it be the same on the desktop, in particular when > the > laptop is used and the desktop mac is not on. So for that after > logging into > the accounts on the laptop and authenticating against ldap I'll go > into > account prefs and make them mobile as detailed here: > http://mattfleming.com/node/190 > > This sound like a good way to accomplish what I'm looking for? > Thanks! :) > I'd love to see a consolidated step-by-step account of the whole process. The links are great, but the ldap one in particular is aimed at a slightly different problem. IMPORTANT: This email remains the property of the Australian Defence Organisation and is subject to the jurisdiction of section 70 of the CRIMES ACT 1914. If you have received this email in error, you are requested to contact the sender and delete the email. From hexstar at gmail.com Thu Sep 13 17:37:50 2007 From: hexstar at gmail.com (Hex Star) Date: Thu Sep 13 17:37:52 2007 Subject: NoMachine NX type software for Mac OS X? In-Reply-To: <05845235-F6FC-471A-B151-1EDBD184B1B3@dsto.defence.gov.au> References: <5dc6fd9e0709122108g3118740bhdaad3b0c6e47af69@mail.gmail.com> <2DB8E601-6CA0-451E-90D6-8F7AF5D024E3@mac.com> <5dc6fd9e0709122321v37130296ld003917d9fe92554@mail.gmail.com> <37A73317-B11D-42AA-82ED-F97C2A2E83EF@joar.com> <5dc6fd9e0709130717j4ee958fcm53d9535d1517b634@mail.gmail.com> <5dc6fd9e0709130733q6344a77dmc0de3c0369bfbd4@mail.gmail.com> <5dc6fd9e0709130736l4e7e5bdcs47d255345a863311@mail.gmail.com> <43956.192.168.1.3.1189694536.squirrel@frank.mercea.net> <5dc6fd9e0709131316n4ee66b06o1ccbd4321db156a5@mail.gmail.com> <05845235-F6FC-471A-B151-1EDBD184B1B3@dsto.defence.gov.au> Message-ID: <5dc6fd9e0709131737y765a01bem9ef5a5a3e0ea26c5@mail.gmail.com> The DHCP issue is easily overcome because the network is on a router which then connects to the internet, so I can simply assign the main desktop mac a static IP by assigning it a IP address outside of the dhcp pool range. The ldap install link is indeed not tailored to the purpose it'll be used for as described in the mattfleming.com link but it's good enough for me because it tells which fink packages are necessary to be installed, where the ldap binary ends up, how to start the daemon, and where the config files are located. So I plan to use that info and adapt it to the mattfleming.comarticle so that I won't need a machine dedicated solely to ldap and instead can simply use the main desktop machine as the ldap server since the laptop will be used mainly when the desktop is busy and thus ldap should be available for authentication, and for the cases where that isn't possible the laptop accounts will be made mobile so that operation can continue even without ldap authentication. Thank you so much joar for the suggestion, it was right on target. :) From brendan.mahony at dsto.defence.gov.au Thu Sep 13 19:38:21 2007 From: brendan.mahony at dsto.defence.gov.au (Dr. Brendan Patrick Mahony) Date: Thu Sep 13 19:38:38 2007 Subject: NoMachine NX type software for Mac OS X? In-Reply-To: <5dc6fd9e0709131316n4ee66b06o1ccbd4321db156a5@mail.gmail.com> References: <5dc6fd9e0709122108g3118740bhdaad3b0c6e47af69@mail.gmail.com> <2DB8E601-6CA0-451E-90D6-8F7AF5D024E3@mac.com> <5dc6fd9e0709122321v37130296ld003917d9fe92554@mail.gmail.com> <37A73317-B11D-42AA-82ED-F97C2A2E83EF@joar.com> <5dc6fd9e0709130717j4ee958fcm53d9535d1517b634@mail.gmail.com> <5dc6fd9e0709130733q6344a77dmc0de3c0369bfbd4@mail.gmail.com> <5dc6fd9e0709130736l4e7e5bdcs47d255345a863311@mail.gmail.com> <43956.192.168.1.3.1189694536.squirrel@frank.mercea.net> <5dc6fd9e0709131316n4ee66b06o1ccbd4321db156a5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46724CE7-B872-4E97-B736-AFC2E17DABB9@dsto.defence.gov.au> Thanks for starting up this thread. Mobile/network home directories seems such a compelling solution for the home computer network that I really can't see why Apple does not offer easy authentication server support in OS X client. Buying and maintaining OS X server seems a tad expensive, given you are forking out for multiple (premium) hardware boxes already. Additionally there don't really seem to be any good web resources to help even a relatively savvy user get going. What there is is aimed at Linux server to OS X client, but if I'm going to make a machine a server (possibly a dedicated server) then it is also going to be an iTunes (audio and video) server, which means an OS X box. Up till 10.4 you could easily make an authentication server with Netinfo Manager, but 10.4 removed its ability to create a master domain whilst adding the mobile homes that make network homes so compelling. Does anyone know of a how-to for making a Netinfo master domain under 10.4? I've been waiting on 2 or 3 hardware purchases to see what the situation is with 10.5, but this thread is great. With 10.4, slapd seems the main game, but configuring this beast seems complete gobbledygook. On 14/09/2007, at 5:46 AM, Hex Star wrote: > Ok so here is my plan: > > Install ldap on main desktop mac as explained here: > http://www.wickedlush.com/blog/2005/10/06/setting-up-ldap-slapd-on- > mac-os-x-non-server-edition/ How did you decide what 'my-domain' is? Dynamic IPs under DHCP confuse me on this matter. It would make the whole thing a lot more accessible if the standard 10.4 openldap could be used. Does anyone have a solution? > > Configure ldap on main desktop mac and configure laptop to > authenticate to > main desktop ldap as explained here: http://mattfleming.com/node/190 > > That will take care of being able to have the same desktop, mail, > etc but it > won't take care of being able to add things to the desktop and such > on the > laptop and having it be the same on the desktop, in particular when > the > laptop is used and the desktop mac is not on. So for that after > logging into > the accounts on the laptop and authenticating against ldap I'll go > into > account prefs and make them mobile as detailed here: > http://mattfleming.com/node/190 > > This sound like a good way to accomplish what I'm looking for? > Thanks! :) > I'd love to see a consolidated step-by-step account of the whole process. The links are great, but the ldap one in particular is aimed at a slightly different problem. IMPORTANT: This email remains the property of the Australian Defence Organisation and is subject to the jurisdiction of section 70 of the CRIMES ACT 1914. If you have received this email in error, you are requested to contact the sender and delete the email. From topher at thehundredacre.net Thu Sep 13 20:32:03 2007 From: topher at thehundredacre.net (Christopher Bort) Date: Thu Sep 13 20:32:43 2007 Subject: NoMachine NX type software for Mac OS X? In-Reply-To: <46724CE7-B872-4E97-B736-AFC2E17DABB9@dsto.defence.gov.au> Message-ID: Pardon the interjection, but if you gentlemen are going to continue this thread, could you please stop cross-posting it? As interesting as the subject is (no sarcasm intended; it's right on topic for the admin list), the echo is getting to be a tad annoying. -- Christopher Bort From mah at jump-ing.de Fri Sep 14 05:12:01 2007 From: mah at jump-ing.de (Markus Hitter) Date: Fri Sep 14 05:12:11 2007 Subject: NoMachine NX type software for Mac OS X? In-Reply-To: <5dc6fd9e0709131316n4ee66b06o1ccbd4321db156a5@mail.gmail.com> References: <5dc6fd9e0709122108g3118740bhdaad3b0c6e47af69@mail.gmail.com> <2DB8E601-6CA0-451E-90D6-8F7AF5D024E3@mac.com> <5dc6fd9e0709122321v37130296ld003917d9fe92554@mail.gmail.com> <37A73317-B11D-42AA-82ED-F97C2A2E83EF@joar.com> <5dc6fd9e0709130717j4ee958fcm53d9535d1517b634@mail.gmail.com> <5dc6fd9e0709130733q6344a77dmc0de3c0369bfbd4@mail.gmail.com> <5dc6fd9e0709130736l4e7e5bdcs47d255345a863311@mail.gmail.com> <43956.192.168.1.3.1189694536.squirrel@frank.mercea.net> <5dc6fd9e0709131316n4ee66b06o1ccbd4321db156a5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1BFCD782-1B66-4831-BA93-12B2161FE328@jump-ing.de> Am 13.09.2007 um 22:16 schrieb Hex Star: > My family wants to have one desktop machine that people can use as > they > please, each person (except me, I paid for my own computer...and > for good > reason :P) has their own account on the machine so that they have > their own > desktop, home folder, itunes library, mail, etc. This is already > done. Now > they want to expand to a laptop as well so that when someone is > using the > desktop and someone else wants to use the computer as well it will be > possible for that to happen. I don't think the authentication is that much a problem as it isn't too much work to set up identical accounts on all of the machines. Take care to have identical user and group ids and most things should work. (but) Accessing a home directory directly _and_ via a network connection at the same time doesn't work out that well in practice. The mechanism for Aliases doesn't find the target on a directly accessed volume if you made the Alias on the network connected computer and vice versa. Even if both Aliases target the identical file with an identical Unix path. As the Mac user experience depends heavily on Aliases (e.g. the Dock), get prepared to find workarounds for some issues: Make sure none of the menu items on the right (Spotlight, Date, battery load, Classic status, ...) depends on something the Finder wants to access from your Home or either of the machines won't let you log in any more (hangs when loading the menu). Furthermore, forget to put something of your Home into the Dock. On the other machine you get question marks only. Apple's solution is to set up a dedicated server and to access shared Homes via network only. Yet another chance for you to get rid of useless money ;-) Markus - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/ From lance at quantumbioinc.com Fri Sep 14 08:22:00 2007 From: lance at quantumbioinc.com (Lance Westerhoff) Date: Fri Sep 14 08:22:32 2007 Subject: NFS and Mac OS X Server In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <90606AA0-9314-41F8-9CA3-98AE587A1E37@quantumbioinc.com> Hi All- The plot thickens! So once I successfully delete the directory by logging into the osx_server, anything further done to this now-non- existent directory (such as trying to create a file/directory with the same name) yields a "Stale NFS" or "File exists" error. So from the beginning: [user@rh_client ~]$ rm -rf directory/ rm: cannot remove directory `directory/': Device or resource busy osx_server:~ user$ rm -rf directory/ [user@rh_client ~]$ touch directory touch: setting times of `directory': Stale NFS file handle [user@rh_client ~]$ mkdir directory mkdir: cannot create directory `directory': File exists Thanks! -Lance On Sep 14, 2007, at 11:03 AM, Lance Westerhoff wrote: > Hi All- > > So this is an annoying problem and I'm not sure how to address it. > > I have a Mac OS X Server 10.4 box serving as my home directory > server to a bunch of clean-install "Red Hat Enterprise Linux Client > release 5 (Tikanga)" clients. Using nfs, all of my users are > mounted back to the OS X box for the home directories. Most of the > time, all is well. But occasionally, I have strange errors. Here > is one that is particularly annoying. While sitting on one of the > clients and I try to delete a directory....I receive the following > error. When I login to the server, I can delete the directory with > no problem. What's going on? Thanks! > > [user@rh_client ~]$ rm -rf directory/ > rm: cannot remove directory `directory/': Device or resource busy > osx_server:~ user$ rm -rf directory/ > > SUCCESS! > > Currently, the directories are statically mounted on the rh_client > box using the following fstab: > > [user@rh_client ~]$ grep osx_server /etc/fstab > osx_server:/Users /Network/Servers/osx_server/Users > nfs defaults 0 0 > > Thank you for any insights you can provide! > > -Lance > > From lance at quantumbioinc.com Fri Sep 14 08:03:35 2007 From: lance at quantumbioinc.com (Lance Westerhoff) Date: Fri Sep 14 08:28:48 2007 Subject: NFS and Mac OS X Server Message-ID: Hi All- So this is an annoying problem and I'm not sure how to address it. I have a Mac OS X Server 10.4 box serving as my home directory server to a bunch of clean-install "Red Hat Enterprise Linux Client release 5 (Tikanga)" clients. Using nfs, all of my users are mounted back to the OS X box for the home directories. Most of the time, all is well. But occasionally, I have strange errors. Here is one that is particularly annoying. While sitting on one of the clients and I try to delete a directory....I receive the following error. When I login to the server, I can delete the directory with no problem. What's going on? Thanks! [user@rh_client ~]$ rm -rf directory/ rm: cannot remove directory `directory/': Device or resource busy osx_server:~ user$ rm -rf directory/ SUCCESS! Currently, the directories are statically mounted on the rh_client box using the following fstab: [user@rh_client ~]$ grep osx_server /etc/fstab osx_server:/Users /Network/Servers/osx_server/Users nfs defaults 0 0 Thank you for any insights you can provide! -Lance From macko at apple.com Fri Sep 14 10:09:57 2007 From: macko at apple.com (Mike Mackovitch) Date: Fri Sep 14 10:15:17 2007 Subject: NFS and Mac OS X Server In-Reply-To: <90606AA0-9314-41F8-9CA3-98AE587A1E37@quantumbioinc.com> References: <90606AA0-9314-41F8-9CA3-98AE587A1E37@quantumbioinc.com> Message-ID: <20070914170956.GB15413@wacko.apple.com> On Fri, Sep 14, 2007 at 11:22:00AM -0400, Lance Westerhoff wrote: > > The plot thickens! So once I successfully delete the directory by logging > into the osx_server, anything further done to this now-non-existent > directory (such as trying to create a file/directory with the same name) > yields a "Stale NFS" or "File exists" error. So from the beginning: > > [user@rh_client ~]$ rm -rf directory/ > rm: cannot remove directory `directory/': Device or resource busy I can't say that I've ever seen that particular error. It would be interesting to see if that error code is being explicitly returned by the server (or if it's something the client is coming up with). > osx_server:~ user$ rm -rf directory/ > [user@rh_client ~]$ touch directory > touch: setting times of `directory': Stale NFS file handle > [user@rh_client ~]$ mkdir directory > mkdir: cannot create directory `directory': File exists That sounds like maybe a caching issue on the client. It's normal to see a "stale NFS file handle" error when a client knows about an object, it gets deleted on the server (locally or by a different client), and the client tries to access that same object after it's been deleted. However, even in that case this error condition should not exist. The client should be dropping it's stale reference (and getting a reference to any new object if it's been replaced). >> Thank you for any insights you can provide! I would suggest contacting Apple about this issue - for example by filing a bug (http://bugreport.apple.com) or contacting support if you have a contract. Please include information about what file system type is exported, what export options are used, what mount options are used on the clients. tcpdump capture files (ala "tcpdump -ns0 -w file.pcap") demonstrating the problem are always helpful. Also, it can be helpful to provide detailed info about how/when the directory/files are being created. HTH --macko From costabel at wanadoo.fr Fri Sep 14 11:58:29 2007 From: costabel at wanadoo.fr (Martin Costabel) Date: Fri Sep 14 11:58:42 2007 Subject: NoMachine NX type software for Mac OS X? In-Reply-To: <5dc6fd9e0709131316n4ee66b06o1ccbd4321db156a5@mail.gmail.com> References: <5dc6fd9e0709122108g3118740bhdaad3b0c6e47af69@mail.gmail.com> <2DB8E601-6CA0-451E-90D6-8F7AF5D024E3@mac.com> <5dc6fd9e0709122321v37130296ld003917d9fe92554@mail.gmail.com> <37A73317-B11D-42AA-82ED-F97C2A2E83EF@joar.com> <5dc6fd9e0709130717j4ee958fcm53d9535d1517b634@mail.gmail.com> <5dc6fd9e0709130733q6344a77dmc0de3c0369bfbd4@mail.gmail.com> <5dc6fd9e0709130736l4e7e5bdcs47d255345a863311@mail.gmail.com> <43956.192.168.1.3.1189694536.squirrel@frank.mercea.net> <5dc6fd9e0709131316n4ee66b06o1ccbd4321db156a5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46EAD9D5.1000903@wanadoo.fr> Hex Star wrote: [] > Here is pretty much what I'm looking for: > > My family wants to have one desktop machine that people can use as they > please, each person (except me, I paid for my own computer...and for good > reason :P) has their own account on the machine so that they have their own > desktop, home folder, itunes library, mail, etc. This is already done. Now > they want to expand to a laptop as well so that when someone is using the > desktop and someone else wants to use the computer as well it will be > possible for that to happen. > > However they also want to be able to be on the laptop and be able to see > their usual desktop, mail, etc. A poor man's version of what you are looking for can be achieved with vnc: Let everyone login on the desktop via fast user switching and run an instance of OSXvnc (AKA "Vine Server"). Then they can connect to their desktop via "Chicken of the VNC". It suffices to define the ports 5900 for the first user, 5901 for the second one etc. The firewall has to open these ports. Otherwise you don't need any configuration. Just download these 2 apps and run them. -- Martin From kremels at kreme.com Fri Sep 14 12:35:26 2007 From: kremels at kreme.com (LuKreme) Date: Fri Sep 14 12:35:39 2007 Subject: NoMachine NX type software for Mac OS X? In-Reply-To: <05845235-F6FC-471A-B151-1EDBD184B1B3@dsto.defence.gov.au> References: <5dc6fd9e0709122108g3118740bhdaad3b0c6e47af69@mail.gmail.com> <2DB8E601-6CA0-451E-90D6-8F7AF5D024E3@mac.com> <5dc6fd9e0709122321v37130296ld003917d9fe92554@mail.gmail.com> <37A73317-B11D-42AA-82ED-F97C2A2E83EF@joar.com> <5dc6fd9e0709130717j4ee958fcm53d9535d1517b634@mail.gmail.com> <5dc6fd9e0709130733q6344a77dmc0de3c0369bfbd4@mail.gmail.com> <5dc6fd9e0709130736l4e7e5bdcs47d255345a863311@mail.gmail.com> <43956.192.168.1.3.1189694536.squirrel@frank.mercea.net> <5dc6fd9e0709131316n4ee66b06o1ccbd4321db156a5@mail.gmail.com> <05845235-F6FC-471A-B151-1EDBD184B1B3@dsto.defence.gov.au> Message-ID: <8CEE6F7B-97E0-4A17-8F65-6B45DB8E93BE@kreme.com> On 13-Sep-2007, at 18:29, Dr. Brendan Patrick Mahony wrote: > Additionally there don't really seem to be any good web resources to > help even a relatively savvy user get going. What there is is aimed > at Linux server to OS X client, but if I'm going to make a machine a > server (possibly a dedicated server) then it is also going to be an > iTunes (audio and video) server, which means an OS X box. There are no good resources on doing this, period. I looked into setting up LDAP on my FreeBSD 6.2 server for authentication and finally gave up. Granted, my chief resource seems to have gotten a life and isn't around to help me out of jams, but still... What I want is, I think, very simple. I want all my Macs to be able to get their login info, address books, and mail account off my LDAP server. And then I want the laptop to, once it gets authentication, load it's $HOME from my MacPro. Yeah, I don't want to use the MacPro as the LDAP server, but if I had too, or it was a lot easier, I probably would. I've no interest in creating another machine just to run linux for LDAP. > I've been waiting on 2 or 3 hardware purchases to see what the > situation is with 10.5, but this thread is great. > > With 10.4, slapd seems the main game, but configuring this beast > seems complete gobbledygook. Agreed. I've looked at it a few times and I really really really want the mobile home because my wife is 100% incapable of knowing if something she's done is on the laptop or the dekstop, and I'm tired of trying to figure out which files to synch in which direction. > On 14/09/2007, at 5:46 AM, Hex Star wrote: > >> Ok so here is my plan: >> >> Install ldap on main desktop mac as explained here: >> http://www.wickedlush.com/blog/2005/10/06/setting-up-ldap-slapd-on- >> mac-os-x-non-server-edition/ > > How did you decide what 'my-domain' is? Dynamic IPs under DHCP > confuse me on this matter. well, that's a good question. I thought that machine.local would work, but the trouble with that is it will only work on the LAN, and I think only if you actually setup DNS for it. > I'd love to see a consolidated step-by-step account of the whole > process. The links are great, but the ldap one in particular is aimed > at a slightly different problem. Me too! > IMPORTANT: This email remains the property of the Australian > Defence Organisation and is subject to the jurisdiction of section > 70 of the CRIMES ACT 1914. If you have received this email in > error, you are requested to contact the sender and delete the email. Tee Hee hee. I'm posting this message on a webserver, nyah nyah nyah! -- You know, in a world in which Bush and Blair can be nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize, "for having dared to take the necessary decision to launch a war on Iraq without having the support of the UN" I find myself agreeing with Tom Lehrer: satire is dead. - Neil Gaiman From lance at quantumbioinc.com Fri Sep 14 13:03:13 2007 From: lance at quantumbioinc.com (Lance Westerhoff) Date: Fri Sep 14 13:03:49 2007 Subject: NFS and Mac OS X Server In-Reply-To: <20070914170956.GB15413@wacko.apple.com> References: <90606AA0-9314-41F8-9CA3-98AE587A1E37@quantumbioinc.com> <20070914170956.GB15413@wacko.apple.com> Message-ID: <90B6A3DD-64E0-497F-8A08-2C22B804C74F@quantumbioinc.com> Hi Mike- On Sep 14, 2007, at 1:09 PM, Mike Mackovitch wrote: > On Fri, Sep 14, 2007 at 11:22:00AM -0400, Lance Westerhoff wrote: >> >> The plot thickens! So once I successfully delete the directory by >> logging >> into the osx_server, anything further done to this now-non-existent >> directory (such as trying to create a file/directory with the same >> name) >> yields a "Stale NFS" or "File exists" error. So from the beginning: >> >> [user@rh_client ~]$ rm -rf directory/ >> rm: cannot remove directory `directory/': Device or resource busy > > I can't say that I've ever seen that particular error. > It would be interesting to see if that error code is being > explicitly returned by the server (or if it's something the > client is coming up with). It happens more times then it does not when it comes to directories. I'm actually beginning to wonder if it might be a problem with the clients in general. In fact, I went ahead and updated one of them using RH's handy-dandy (and expensive) update tool, and sure enough, the problems seem to be disappearing on that machine...I just did the update so I don't really want to go all the way yet and update the entire group. The update included a new version of autofs which might take care of the whole set of issues since one of the problems of the old autofs was invalidation of mount points (another problem I certainly saw!) and as far as I can tell, this version now works. That problem has gone away for this particular client (so no more static /etc/fstab entries) and I am able to rm the directories that the other client was unable to address. I'm checking out some other tests before I update them all. -Lance From david at idiomatrix.com Fri Sep 14 16:32:54 2007 From: david at idiomatrix.com (David Herren) Date: Fri Sep 14 16:33:17 2007 Subject: NoMachine NX type software for Mac OS X? In-Reply-To: <8CEE6F7B-97E0-4A17-8F65-6B45DB8E93BE@kreme.com> References: <5dc6fd9e0709122108g3118740bhdaad3b0c6e47af69@mail.gmail.com> <2DB8E601-6CA0-451E-90D6-8F7AF5D024E3@mac.com> <5dc6fd9e0709122321v37130296ld003917d9fe92554@mail.gmail.com> <37A73317-B11D-42AA-82ED-F97C2A2E83EF@joar.com> <5dc6fd9e0709130717j4ee958fcm53d9535d1517b634@mail.gmail.com> <5dc6fd9e0709130733q6344a77dmc0de3c0369bfbd4@mail.gmail.com> <5dc6fd9e0709130736l4e7e5bdcs47d255345a863311@mail.gmail.com> <43956.192.168.1.3.1189694536.squirrel@frank.mercea.net> <5dc6fd9e0709131316n4ee66b06o1ccbd4321db156a5@mail.gmail.com> <05845235-F6FC-471A-B151-1EDBD184B1B3@dsto.defence.gov.au> <8CEE6F7B-97E0-4A17-8F65-6B45DB8E93BE@kreme.com> Message-ID: I solved this quite easily. My wife is 100% laptop all the time. Every couple of days after she goes to bed, I snag her machine and back her up. On Sep 14, 2007, at 3:35 PM, LuKreme wrote: > Agreed. I've looked at it a few times and I really really really > want the mobile home because my wife is 100% incapable of knowing > if something she's done is on the laptop or the dekstop, and I'm > tired of trying to figure out which files to synch in which direction. /david -- david herren - shoreham, vt us na terra solsys orionarm Presidential IQs: Kennedy - 175 Clinton - 182 Bush Sr. - 93 Bush Jr. - 91 I guess anyone really can grow up to be President... From shawnce at gmail.com Fri Sep 14 17:03:01 2007 From: shawnce at gmail.com (Shawn Erickson) Date: Fri Sep 14 17:03:11 2007 Subject: NoMachine NX type software for Mac OS X? In-Reply-To: References: <5dc6fd9e0709122108g3118740bhdaad3b0c6e47af69@mail.gmail.com> <37A73317-B11D-42AA-82ED-F97C2A2E83EF@joar.com> <5dc6fd9e0709130717j4ee958fcm53d9535d1517b634@mail.gmail.com> <5dc6fd9e0709130733q6344a77dmc0de3c0369bfbd4@mail.gmail.com> <5dc6fd9e0709130736l4e7e5bdcs47d255345a863311@mail.gmail.com> <43956.192.168.1.3.1189694536.squirrel@frank.mercea.net> <5dc6fd9e0709131316n4ee66b06o1ccbd4321db156a5@mail.gmail.com> <05845235-F6FC-471A-B151-1EDBD184B1B3@dsto.defence.gov.au> <8CEE6F7B-97E0-4A17-8F65-6B45DB8E93BE@kreme.com> Message-ID: On 9/14/07, David Herren wrote: > I solved this quite easily. My wife is 100% laptop all the time. > Every couple of days after she goes to bed, I snag her machine and > back her up. ...must ... resist ... urge ... to post crude bed room joke.... -Shawn From kremels at kreme.com Sun Sep 16 09:19:03 2007 From: kremels at kreme.com (LuKreme) Date: Sun Sep 16 09:19:20 2007 Subject: NoMachine NX type software for Mac OS X? In-Reply-To: References: <5dc6fd9e0709122108g3118740bhdaad3b0c6e47af69@mail.gmail.com> <2DB8E601-6CA0-451E-90D6-8F7AF5D024E3@mac.com> <5dc6fd9e0709122321v37130296ld003917d9fe92554@mail.gmail.com> <37A73317-B11D-42AA-82ED-F97C2A2E83EF@joar.com> <5dc6fd9e0709130717j4ee958fcm53d9535d1517b634@mail.gmail.com> <5dc6fd9e0709130733q6344a77dmc0de3c0369bfbd4@mail.gmail.com> <5dc6fd9e0709130736l4e7e5bdcs47d255345a863311@mail.gmail.com> <43956.192.168.1.3.1189694536.squirrel@frank.mercea.net> <5dc6fd9e0709131316n4ee66b06o1ccbd4321db156a5@mail.gmail.com> <05845235-F6FC-471A-B151-1EDBD184B1B3@dsto.defence.gov.au> <8CEE6F7B-97E0-4A17-8F65-6B45DB8E93BE@kreme.com> Message-ID: On 14-Sep-2007, at 17:32, David Herren wrote: > On Sep 14, 2007, at 3:35 PM, LuKreme wrote: >> Agreed. I've looked at it a few times and I really really really >> want the mobile home because my wife is 100% incapable of knowing >> if something she's done is on the laptop or the dekstop, and I'm >> tired of trying to figure out which files to synch in which >> direction. > I solved this quite easily. My wife is 100% laptop all the time. Well, yes, that WOULD make it easier. -- A: You can never go too far. B: If I'm gonna get busted, it is *not* gonna be by a guy like *that*. From Philip.Moetteli at tele2.ch Sun Sep 16 14:22:11 2007 From: Philip.Moetteli at tele2.ch (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Philip_M=F6tteli?=) Date: Sun Sep 16 15:22:53 2007 Subject: Encrypting a Whole Partition? Message-ID: <1ED68B69-42F1-4958-8377-F37FDBD3E9D8@tele2.ch> Hi, I know, that one can encrypt his home directory, but what about encrypting a whole partition? Ideally like on Linux, it would be encrypted and decrypted transparently, with only an entry in fstab (and a password of course). Greetings Phil From noam at maccentricsolutions.com Tue Sep 25 15:18:43 2007 From: noam at maccentricsolutions.com (Noam Birnbaum) Date: Tue Sep 25 15:18:52 2007 Subject: remote Xserve RAID replication Message-ID: <65EDB3B0-3FC5-4EDD-A1E4-B951A5AFDB4C@maccentricsolutions.com> Hi folks, A prospective customer has two Xserve RAIDs, in offices about 30 =20 miles apart. The RAIDs hold production files, the largest of which =20 are CS3 documents, some of which are in the low gigabytes in size. =20 They would like a system that comes as close to mirroring the content =20= as possible. I told them that actual real-time mirroring was a =20 Fortune 500 company's pipe dream, so instead they want to look at =20 recurring replication on the bit level. Users at each location will be working on both RAIDs but they assure =20 me that their traffic department is taking steps to ensure that =20 there's no file locking problems. This remains to be seen, but I'll =20 take them at their word for now. So let's start simple: assuming these two RAIDs were in the same =20 physical room, how would you mirror them over Ethernet? Then, since they're NOT in the same room, what are decent solutions =20 given the fact that this needs to take place over broadband? Let's say they went for nightly replication. We've worked on one-way =20= rsyncing but never two-way. How could that work? Thanks all! noam Noam Birnbaum http://maccentricsolutions.com/ 877.luv.macs x89 =F0 Apple Certified Technical Coordinator =F0 Apple Certified Help Desk Specialist From hexstar at gmail.com Tue Sep 25 17:00:21 2007 From: hexstar at gmail.com (Hex Star) Date: Tue Sep 25 17:00:26 2007 Subject: remote Xserve RAID replication In-Reply-To: <65EDB3B0-3FC5-4EDD-A1E4-B951A5AFDB4C@maccentricsolutions.com> References: <65EDB3B0-3FC5-4EDD-A1E4-B951A5AFDB4C@maccentricsolutions.com> Message-ID: <5dc6fd9e0709251700q31417c38t83564d956f2fa796@mail.gmail.com> man rsync From mah at jump-ing.de Wed Sep 26 04:29:32 2007 From: mah at jump-ing.de (Markus Hitter) Date: Wed Sep 26 04:29:41 2007 Subject: remote Xserve RAID replication In-Reply-To: <65EDB3B0-3FC5-4EDD-A1E4-B951A5AFDB4C@maccentricsolutions.com> References: <65EDB3B0-3FC5-4EDD-A1E4-B951A5AFDB4C@maccentricsolutions.com> Message-ID: <2813B4EA-72E2-4A24-9ED2-7DCC407415EC@jump-ing.de> Am 26.09.2007 um 00:18 schrieb Noam Birnbaum: > Let's say they went for nightly replication. We've worked on one- > way rsyncing but never two-way. How could that work? If there's a chance a file is modified on both sides the same day, it can't work. Merging & conflict resolving like done in source code management (usually) isn't an option for binary files. So you have to make each file/directory/project read-only on one of both sides and stick to one-way syncing. Another approach could be the Andrew File System AFS. It's designed to solve problems similar you yours: Distribute storage over network nodes with slow or interrupted networks in mind. Markus - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/ From nat at mulle-kybernetik.com Thu Sep 27 03:27:38 2007 From: nat at mulle-kybernetik.com (Nat!) Date: Thu Sep 27 03:27:49 2007 Subject: remote Xserve RAID replication In-Reply-To: <65EDB3B0-3FC5-4EDD-A1E4-B951A5AFDB4C@maccentricsolutions.com> References: <65EDB3B0-3FC5-4EDD-A1E4-B951A5AFDB4C@maccentricsolutions.com> Message-ID: I am using unison with three machines, to keep my work and home stuff in sync. Work --- SyncMaster --- Home Obviously it helps avoid conflicts, that I am only at one place at a given time, but unison can handle some conflicts by policy. It works well for me, but it's nothing I'd install with a customer as is. Still it might be worth to have a look at and maybe build a more fool proof solution around it. Ciao Nat! ------------------------------------------------------ "It's always easier to ask forgiveness than it is to get permission." -- Rear Admiral Hopper From dante.mclean at sympatico.ca Sat Sep 29 20:44:00 2007 From: dante.mclean at sympatico.ca (Dante McLean) Date: Sat Sep 29 20:40:23 2007 Subject: OT: Mail Merge of Calendar Message-ID: <46FF1B80.6080102@sympatico.ca> Hi Folks: I have an odd question. Not sure if it has an answer, and not sure what list to post it to. What I would like to do is print the date (for every school day for the rest of the year) onto index cards. I'd be satisfied if I could just print the dates for the whole year, including weekends. I can always weed out what I don't need as I go along. I'm using the index cards for anecdotal notes, and would like to be able to file them in date sequence. I'm sick of having to date them every morning by hand! This can, I guess, be done as a mail merge. But the question is, where to get a file with the calendar dates in it to use? FWIW, I'm running OS 9.2.2 on a Pismo, but also have access to a Winblows machine running XP, and can access a machine running OS X. I've also got access to NeXTstep 3.3 on a NeXT machine (also on the weekend, or when I move it back out of my parents basement). (Hence, I can use the cal function in UNIX to generate the file of dates?) Thanks. -- Regards, Dante McLean Dante McLean Photography dante.mclean@sympatico.ca nextstation@sympatico.ca --> NeXTMail welcome at this address! DS16 (Diller-Schwill 16) Sail/Hull #19 "A Humming Bird" Christian Island, Ontario N44? 51.472' W080? 12.349' From luttgens at fusl.ac.be Sat Sep 29 22:55:56 2007 From: luttgens at fusl.ac.be (Axel Luttgens) Date: Sat Sep 29 23:05:48 2007 Subject: OT: Mail Merge of Calendar In-Reply-To: <46FF1B80.6080102@sympatico.ca> References: <46FF1B80.6080102@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <46FF3A6C.7050608@fusl.ac.be> On 30/09/07 5:44, Dante McLean wrote: > [...] > > This can, I guess, be done as a mail merge. But the question is, > where to get a file with the calendar dates in it to use? > > FWIW, I'm running OS 9.2.2 [...] You should thus have AppleScript at hand. :-) Couldn't a small script do the trick, by writing a text file with the appropriate fields? HTH, Axel From noam at maccentricsolutions.com Sun Sep 30 21:19:24 2007 From: noam at maccentricsolutions.com (Noam Birnbaum) Date: Sun Sep 30 21:55:24 2007 Subject: remote Xserve RAID replication In-Reply-To: References: <65EDB3B0-3FC5-4EDD-A1E4-B951A5AFDB4C@maccentricsolutions.com> Message-ID: <4720A1E4-62EE-4974-B546-358E24BEF3EC@maccentricsolutions.com> Nat, Thanks for the message. I'm considering unison. Is there a reason =20 to choose unison over a two-way rsync with the -u option? Thanks, noam Noam Birnbaum http://maccentricsolutions.com/ 877.luv.macs x89 =F0 Apple Certified Technical Coordinator =F0 Apple Certified Help Desk Specialist On Sep 27, 2007, at 3:27 AM, Nat! wrote: > I am using unison with three machines, to keep my work and home =20 > stuff in sync. > > > Work --- SyncMaster --- Home > > > Obviously it helps avoid conflicts, that I am only at one place at =20 > a given time, but unison can handle some conflicts by policy. > > It works well for me, but it's nothing I'd install with a customer =20 > as is. Still it might be worth to have a look at and maybe build a =20 > more fool proof solution around it. > > Ciao > Nat! > ------------------------------------------------------ > "It's always easier to ask forgiveness than it is to > get permission." -- Rear Admiral Hopper > > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-admin mailing list > MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin >