From huntc at internode.on.net Thu Mar 1 12:41:28 2007 From: huntc at internode.on.net (Christopher Hunt) Date: Thu Mar 1 12:41:46 2007 Subject: launchd question In-Reply-To: <20070301200003.71E7E13B4A1@dynamic-www.omnigroup.com> References: <20070301200003.71E7E13B4A1@dynamic-www.omnigroup.com> Message-ID: <1CBED46C-693D-45E7-B299-EEBB7C9340D7@internode.on.net> On 02/03/2007, at 7:00 AM, macosx-admin-request@omnigroup.com wrote: > On 28-Feb-2007, at 16:21, Christopher Hunt wrote: >> dev@lists.macosforge.org forum after having explained my problem: >>> Known bug in Tiger, and fixed in Leopard. >>> For most practical purposes, LaunchAgents don't function as >>> advertised in Tiger. >>> You can use them as long as you never logout. >> >> In other words avoid LaunchAgents for Tiger. > > I don't think it is at all that simple. > Every LaunchAgent I've > PROPERLY setup has worked just fine. As Apple said, as long as you don't log out then all should be well. Do you log out? > However, osascript ASSUMES the > Finder is present, so without a finder it's going to be weird. So how come then that cron works just fine for me? I have a crontab for the specific user - same user, same environment, same command. The osascript doesn't work under launchd but it does under cron. > > I suspect there's more to this than simply "they don't work". I'm curious as to whether you're logging out or not. If you're not logging out then things might be fine for you. Cheers, -C From jwelch at bynkii.com Thu Mar 1 12:55:21 2007 From: jwelch at bynkii.com (John C. Welch) Date: Thu Mar 1 13:10:56 2007 Subject: Updated Nagios article Message-ID: I finally got around to updating my old article on setting up Nagios on Mac OS X Server. It's up at: -- John C. Welch Writer/Analyst Bynkii.com Mac and other opinions jwelch@bynkii.com From rpeskin at rlpcon.com Thu Mar 1 22:12:13 2007 From: rpeskin at rlpcon.com (Richard Peskin) Date: Thu Mar 1 22:12:38 2007 Subject: DHCP question Message-ID: <1882CA51-B6FA-42AD-993F-30E47A302660@rlpcon.com> If I set all of my workstations to get their IP (LAN) addresses from a DHCP server, how can I identify them for the purposes of terminal (ssh) access, shell scripts (e.g. rsync backup), etc. (I'm moving to an ADSL broadband and for some reason, things don't work well unless all the stations on the LAN sharing the NAT are set up to get their addresses from a DHCP server.) thanks, --dick peskin ____________________________________ Richard L. Peskin, RLP Consulting, Londonderry, VT http://www.rlpcon.com http://www.caip.rutgers.edu/~peskin From bg at gdiconsulting.com Fri Mar 2 06:19:47 2007 From: bg at gdiconsulting.com (Ben Greisler) Date: Fri Mar 2 06:25:34 2007 Subject: DHCP question In-Reply-To: <1882CA51-B6FA-42AD-993F-30E47A302660@rlpcon.com> References: <1882CA51-B6FA-42AD-993F-30E47A302660@rlpcon.com> Message-ID: <5E940BC8-3426-4803-9CDA-9652F1C50032@gdiconsulting.com> The simplest is to use reserved DHCP where each machine gets their address from the DHCP server, but will always get the same address based on their MAC address. Then, set up internal DNS with the desired hostnames for each node. Ben Greisler On Mar 2, 2007, at 1:12 AM, Richard Peskin wrote: > If I set all of my workstations to get their IP (LAN) addresses > from a DHCP server, how can I identify them for the purposes of > terminal (ssh) access, shell scripts (e.g. rsync backup), etc. (I'm > moving to an ADSL broadband and for some reason, things don't work > well unless all the stations on the LAN sharing the NAT are set up > to get their addresses from a DHCP server.) > thanks, From jldera at mac.com Fri Mar 2 07:18:36 2007 From: jldera at mac.com (Jason Deraleau) Date: Fri Mar 2 07:18:58 2007 Subject: DHCP question In-Reply-To: <1882CA51-B6FA-42AD-993F-30E47A302660@rlpcon.com> References: <1882CA51-B6FA-42AD-993F-30E47A302660@rlpcon.com> Message-ID: <5550EEC5-C706-499E-B8D5-049FDE24E4DD@mac.com> On Mar 2, 2007, at 1:12 AM, Richard Peskin wrote: > If I set all of my workstations to get their IP (LAN) addresses > from a DHCP server, how can I identify them for the purposes of > terminal (ssh) access, shell scripts (e.g. rsync backup), etc. (I'm > moving to an ADSL broadband and for some reason, things don't work > well unless all the stations on the LAN sharing the NAT are set up > to get their addresses from a DHCP server.) > thanks, > --dick peskin Use the DHCP Client ID in the Network Preferences of the clients and that will appear in the DHCP client list in Server Admin. You could also attempt to identify them by examining the status of other services (e.g. User bob is connected from IP blah, so that's bob's computer). You could also use the MAC address information to refer to your location's network documentation. -- Jason Deraleau (jldera@mac.com) IT Professional (MCSE, ACTC, Linux+ SME) Homepage: http://www.lifehertz.com From shoop at iwiring.net Fri Mar 2 10:40:29 2007 From: shoop at iwiring.net (Dan Shoop) Date: Fri Mar 2 10:40:45 2007 Subject: DHCP question In-Reply-To: <1882CA51-B6FA-42AD-993F-30E47A302660@rlpcon.com> References: <1882CA51-B6FA-42AD-993F-30E47A302660@rlpcon.com> Message-ID: At 1:12 AM -0500 3/2/07, Richard Peskin wrote: >If I set all of my workstations to get their IP (LAN) addresses from >a DHCP server, how can I identify them for the purposes of terminal >(ssh) access, shell scripts (e.g. rsync backup), etc. First it is most common to hand out dynamically assigned IP addresses with DHCP for clients, not servers, since servers (hosts that provide services like ssh, etc.) generally need fixed addresses, though this is not a rule or requirement just the way things tend to be. That said... For one you could have DHCP hand out specific addresses using DHCP based, say, on MAC address. You could also still use dynamically assigned IP addresses and do Dynamic DNS for those hosts that need addressed by specific name. However the entire problem is generally mooted by zeroconfig / bonjour. You can just use .local addresses > (I'm moving to an ADSL broadband and for some reason, things don't >work well unless all the stations on the LAN sharing the NAT are set >up to get their addresses from a DHCP server.) That sounds very dubious. If so why not get a different / better NAT appliance. They come free with breakfast cereal these days. You can also reflash many of them with better firmware. -- -dhan ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Dan Shoop AIM: iWiring Systems & Networks Architect http://www.ustsvs.com/ shoop@iwiring.net http://www.iwiring.net/ 1-714-363-1174 "The wise man doesn't give the right answers, he poses the right questions." -- Claude Levi-Strauss ------------------------------------------------------------------------ iWiring provides systems and networks support for Mac OS X, unix, and Open Source application technologies at affordable rates. From huntc at internode.on.net Fri Mar 2 13:35:27 2007 From: huntc at internode.on.net (Christopher Hunt) Date: Fri Mar 2 13:35:37 2007 Subject: launchd question In-Reply-To: References: <9939288D-F990-4D5C-A006-0FA8EA0C6C56@internode.on.net> <87C56F73-0ED0-4873-B369-CF3C92F0B4C3@internode.on.net> <9251DB88-5E37-40C6-9532-88A82C9B91C6@internode.on.net> Message-ID: <22437126-49C6-48A6-AC51-BE8B46683952@internode.on.net> Hi Dan, On 01/03/2007, at 2:26 AM, Dan Shoop wrote: > At 10:04 PM +1100 2/28/07, Christopher Hunt wrote: >> Latest update: I think that my problem has something to do with >> either the sequence of when Finder is launched and/or whether >> Finder is even present. > > Finder??? Finder is the application that runs upon logging in - it provides the ability to move and manipulate the file system. The application is located at: /System/Library/CoreServices/Finder.app A nice definition: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macintosh_Finder > > As I said earlier this is all entirely inappropriate concepts to be > canting in the same breath as launchd. Well, I'm not sure why - the Finder is not the WindowServer. Additionally the equivalent job works fine under crontab as I explained before. Apple have explained that there are problems with LaunchAgents in the current OS X. > >> I didn't think it important to mention that the user B account is >> also a kiosk style of account i.e. a custom application is >> launched in place of Finder. Perhaps this is causing the problem... > > Kiosk? A Kiosk is an application designed to keep the user in a captured environment generally such that they cannot manipulate the file system and operate the desktop in regular ways. An example of a kiosk is an Internet Kiosk in an airport. Here's a link for you: http://developer.apple.com/technotes/tn2002/tn2062.html ...and another: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interactive_kiosk > I smell wool You must live in New Zealand then. ;-) Cheers, -C From blenko at martingalesystems.com Fri Mar 2 16:45:02 2007 From: blenko at martingalesystems.com (Tom M.Blenko) Date: Fri Mar 2 16:45:13 2007 Subject: December iMac vs. Netgear GS105 hub Message-ID: I have an iMac purchased in December, 2006 and plugged into a hub on my local network. I'm not happy for two reasons: 1. File transfers run consistently at 1-2Mb/s via the hub to a dual G5 on the same network 2. The activity light at the hub blinks constantly (at a speed I associate with 10/100 transfers) Routing is being done off an Airport Extreme that is also plugged into the hub (and whose activity sometimes appears to correlate with that on the iMac). Aside from the speed, traffic seems to go on and off the machine just fine. The hub has been in service and working without incident for a couple of years with three of four machines plugged in, including the iMac this one replaced and two other Apple boxes. I've switched ports for machines on both ends of the sftp. The network interface on the iMac is set to configure automatically in System Preferences. I've also tried it with IPv6 both on and off. I see the activity at the hub even when Network Utility shows no packets moving on the interface. If I crank up some activity, the packets move and the Network Utility shows them just fine. If I plug the iMac directly to the dual G5, I see 100-200Mb transfers, which is (a little better than) what I expect via the hub. AppleCare has been utterly unhelpful. They say that when iMac is plugged back to back with the dual G5 there's nothing wrong, so it's not a problem with the machine or its configuration. They want to blame the hub. No response when I ask how I'm supposed to use this machine in a networked environment, whether the iMac is certified with this or any other hub, whether there are any known incompatibilities. "Talk to Netgear". Search at Netgear knowledgebase ("iMac incompatibitilities") turns up one hit which appears not to be relevant. I'd be interested in hearing any ideas. I can't even run backups this machine due to the speed issue. Tom From david at mackler.net Fri Mar 2 17:04:07 2007 From: david at mackler.net (David Mackler) Date: Fri Mar 2 17:10:54 2007 Subject: December iMac vs. Netgear GS105 hub In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: My sympathies. I have the same hub (now retired to the spare parts bin) and it did not behave well either with my Dell nor my Powerbook. On the Dell laptop, I had to disable auto-negotiation for the driver to make it work properly. On the PB, I had to set the ethernet manually to 100 Mbps, full-duplex (no flow-control, no nothing) in System Preferences. That would make them both work at home with that hub, but manually forcing driver settings took the portability away from both laptops. If you really want to make that hub work, you might want to try the above tweaks. It may be a better investment of your time and money to replace the hub with another brand. Taking inspiration from Dan, the hubs they give away in boxes of cereal are worth every penny you pay for them and not a penny more :-) HTH, David On Mar 2, 2007, at 4:45 PM, Tom M.Blenko wrote: I have an iMac purchased in December, 2006 and plugged into a hub on my local network. I'm not happy for two reasons: 1. File transfers run consistently at 1-2Mb/s via the hub to a dual G5 on the same network 2. The activity light at the hub blinks constantly (at a speed I associate with 10/100 transfers) Routing is being done off an Airport Extreme that is also plugged into the hub (and whose activity sometimes appears to correlate with that on the iMac). Aside from the speed, traffic seems to go on and off the machine just fine. The hub has been in service and working without incident for a couple of years with three of four machines plugged in, including the iMac this one replaced and two other Apple boxes. I've switched ports for machines on both ends of the sftp. The network interface on the iMac is set to configure automatically in System Preferences. I've also tried it with IPv6 both on and off. I see the activity at the hub even when Network Utility shows no packets moving on the interface. If I crank up some activity, the packets move and the Network Utility shows them just fine. If I plug the iMac directly to the dual G5, I see 100-200Mb transfers, which is (a little better than) what I expect via the hub. AppleCare has been utterly unhelpful. They say that when iMac is plugged back to back with the dual G5 there's nothing wrong, so it's not a problem with the machine or its configuration. They want to blame the hub. No response when I ask how I'm supposed to use this machine in a networked environment, whether the iMac is certified with this or any other hub, whether there are any known incompatibilities. "Talk to Netgear". Search at Netgear knowledgebase ("iMac incompatibitilities") turns up one hit which appears not to be relevant. I'd be interested in hearing any ideas. I can't even run backups this machine due to the speed issue. Tom From luttgens at fusl.ac.be Sat Mar 3 03:41:13 2007 From: luttgens at fusl.ac.be (Axel Luttgens) Date: Sat Mar 3 04:04:45 2007 Subject: launchd question In-Reply-To: <1CBED46C-693D-45E7-B299-EEBB7C9340D7@internode.on.net> References: <20070301200003.71E7E13B4A1@dynamic-www.omnigroup.com> <1CBED46C-693D-45E7-B299-EEBB7C9340D7@internode.on.net> Message-ID: <45E95ED9.1020903@fusl.ac.be> On 1/03/07 21:41, Christopher Hunt wrote: > On 02/03/2007, at 7:00 AM, macosx-admin-request@omnigroup.com wrote: > >> [...] >> I don't think it is at all that simple. >> Every LaunchAgent I've >> PROPERLY setup has worked just fine. > > As Apple said, as long as you don't log out then all should be well. > Do you log out? > >> However, osascript ASSUMES the >> Finder is present, so without a finder it's going to be weird. > > So how come then that cron works just fine for me? I have a crontab > for the specific user - same user, same environment, same command. > The osascript doesn't work under launchd but it does under cron. > >> >> I suspect there's more to this than simply "they don't work". > > I'm curious as to whether you're logging out or not. If you're not > logging out then things might be fine for you. I would agree with you, Christopher: whether the Finder is present or not shouldn't have any impact in this case. On the other hand, according to your various emails, it seems you are encountering problems even within a Finder environment (but I may be wrong: I sometimes felt lost). So, it would be nice to compare what's happening on your box against another one. (let's first start with very basic facts...) Could you try the following, and tell us whether you observe dissimilar behaviors? 1. Create a regular user "test", without admin rights. 2. Put this one into ~test/Library/LaunchAgents: Debug Label com.classactionpl.restartvision OnDemand ProgramArguments osascript -e tell application "TextEdit" to quit StartInterval 60 3. Do various log in/out as described in following comented excerpt of system.log: 3.1. Log in as user "test": Mar 3 11:11:06 ALMbp /System/Library/CoreServices/loginwindow.app/Contents/MacOS/loginwindow: Login Window Application Started Mar 3 11:11:06 ALMbp loginwindow[1242]: Login Window Started Security Agent Wait 5-6 minutes; as the target of the Quit event, TextEdit is quickly launched then quit every minute. On the other hand, if TextEdit is already running because user "test" has launched it, it is just quit. Everything thus "works" as expected. 3.2. Now, log out, then log in as user "test" again: Mar 3 11:17:23 ALMbp /System/Library/CoreServices/loginwindow.app/Contents/MacOS/loginwindow: Login Window Application Started Mar 3 11:17:23 ALMbp loginwindow[1287]: Login Window Started Security Agent Mar 3 11:18:15 ALMbp launchd[1255]: com.classactionpl.restartvision: exited abnormally: Abort trap Mar 3 11:18:15 ALMbp launchd[1255]: com.classactionpl.restartvision: 9 more failures without living at least 60 seconds will cause job removal [...] Mar 3 11:26:15 ALMbp launchd[1255]: com.classactionpl.restartvision: exited abnormally: Abort trap Mar 3 11:26:15 ALMbp launchd[1255]: com.classactionpl.restartvision: 1 more failure without living at least 60 seconds will cause job removal Mar 3 11:27:15 ALMbp launchd[1255]: com.classactionpl.restartvision: exited abnormally: Abort trap Mar 3 11:27:15 ALMbp launchd[1255]: com.classactionpl.restartvision: too many failures in succession As expected, we have encountered that well-know problem with launch agents: they don't quit with the user's session, so that they have lost their context on subsequent logins. Here, having waited long enough to allow for 10 failures, the job thus gets unloaded. 3.3. So, log out, then log in as user "test" again: Mar 3 11:28:12 ALMbp /System/Library/CoreServices/loginwindow.app/Contents/MacOS/loginwindow: Login Window Application Started Mar 3 11:28:12 ALMbp loginwindow[1333]: Login Window Started Security Agent As expected, the job is re-loaded and everything works fine with TextEdit again. 3.4. Log out, then log in as another user on the box: Mar 3 11:29:37 ALMbp /System/Library/CoreServices/loginwindow.app/Contents/MacOS/loginwindow: Login Window Application Started Mar 3 11:29:37 ALMbp loginwindow[1363]: Login Window Started Security Agent Mar 3 11:30:20 ALMbp osascript: kCGErrorRangeCheck : Window Server communications from outside of session allowed for root and console user only Mar 3 11:30:20 ALMbp launchd[1346]: com.classactionpl.restartvision: exited abnormally: Abort trap Mar 3 11:30:20 ALMbp launchd[1346]: com.classactionpl.restartvision: 9 more failures without living at least 60 seconds will cause job removal [...] Exactly what was to be expected, thus... Axel From huntc at internode.on.net Sat Mar 3 04:18:49 2007 From: huntc at internode.on.net (Christopher Hunt) Date: Sat Mar 3 04:18:58 2007 Subject: launchd question In-Reply-To: <45E95ED9.1020903@fusl.ac.be> References: <20070301200003.71E7E13B4A1@dynamic-www.omnigroup.com> <1CBED46C-693D-45E7-B299-EEBB7C9340D7@internode.on.net> <45E95ED9.1020903@fusl.ac.be> Message-ID: <12B52982-7952-46D1-B5B7-71AD8ED50BB5@internode.on.net> Hi Axel, I haven't yet tried the steps that you outlined - but I'm sold with your convincing reproduction of what I've been seeing. Let me answer a few specifics: On 03/03/2007, at 10:41 PM, Axel Luttgens wrote: > I would agree with you, Christopher: whether the Finder is present > or not shouldn't have any impact in this case. Great. > On the other hand, according to your various emails, it seems you > are encountering problems even within a Finder environment (but I > may be wrong: I sometimes felt lost). Many apologies for the confusion. The source of the confusion I feel has to do with fast user switching. Now that I think about it, the user that worked just fine was the first user I logged in with (this user had the Finder launched). The user I switched to from the first user demonstrated the problem (this user had no Finder). I'll bet that if I had of completely logged out, logged in to the second user, have the job unload and then log out/log back in (effectively all that you've done) then all would have been well for that second user i.e. nothing to do with the presence of the Finder. > > So, it would be nice to compare what's happening on your box > against another one. > (let's first start with very basic facts...) > > Could you try the following, and tell us whether you observe > dissimilar behaviors? I can give it a go on Monday when I'm back in the office, but I'm sure you've nailed it. In a nutshell, "don't use LaunchAgents with Tiger unless you stay logged in" seems to be holding up. Cheers, -C From kremels at kreme.com Sat Mar 3 11:08:48 2007 From: kremels at kreme.com (LuKreme) Date: Sat Mar 3 11:09:09 2007 Subject: DHCP question In-Reply-To: <1882CA51-B6FA-42AD-993F-30E47A302660@rlpcon.com> References: <1882CA51-B6FA-42AD-993F-30E47A302660@rlpcon.com> Message-ID: <5C00C092-488E-4180-9270-115FEFBD4E0E@kreme.com> On 1-Mar-2007, at 23:12, Richard Peskin wrote: > If I set all of my workstations to get their IP (LAN) addresses > from a DHCP server, how can I identify them for the purposes of > terminal (ssh) access, shell scripts (e.g. rsync backup), etc. (I'm > moving to an ADSL broadband and for some reason, things don't work > well unless all the stations on the LAN sharing the NAT are set up > to get their addresses from a DHCP server.) machinename.local -- If we get through this alive I'll meet you next week same place same time From kremels at kreme.com Sat Mar 3 11:18:06 2007 From: kremels at kreme.com (LuKreme) Date: Sat Mar 3 11:18:16 2007 Subject: December iMac vs. Netgear GS105 hub In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4FD1524F-386D-44F5-BC16-36325F0BAC34@kreme.com> On 2-Mar-2007, at 17:45, Tom M.Blenko wrote: > AppleCare has been utterly unhelpful. They say that when iMac is > plugged back to back with the dual G5 there's nothing wrong, so > it's not a problem with the machine or its configuration. They want > to blame the hub. And they are right. If it works without the hub and it doesn't work with the hub, then the hub is the issue. -- When we woke up that morning we had no way of knowing that in a matter of hours we'd changed the way we were going. Where would I be now? Where would I bee now if we'd never met? Would I be singing this song to someone else instead? From chad+macosx at objectwerks.com Sat Mar 3 12:19:23 2007 From: chad+macosx at objectwerks.com (Chad Leigh) Date: Sat Mar 3 12:19:35 2007 Subject: December iMac vs. Netgear GS105 hub In-Reply-To: <4FD1524F-386D-44F5-BC16-36325F0BAC34@kreme.com> References: <4FD1524F-386D-44F5-BC16-36325F0BAC34@kreme.com> Message-ID: <0197AC6E-F0CE-4878-9B11-B653D7C007EB@objectwerks.com> On Mar 3, 2007, at 12:18 PM, LuKreme wrote: > On 2-Mar-2007, at 17:45, Tom M.Blenko wrote: >> AppleCare has been utterly unhelpful. They say that when iMac is >> plugged back to back with the dual G5 there's nothing wrong, so >> it's not a problem with the machine or its configuration. They >> want to blame the hub. > > And they are right. If it works without the hub and it doesn't > work with the hub, then the hub is the issue. Well, it is not that simple. In this case it probably is the hub. But directly hooking the two Macs together with a crossover cable and it then working does not say that the Mac does not have an issue in meeting the ethernet spec that just doesn't happen to get tripped when hooking them together (maybe they both have the same issue so can talk together, both wrong) Chad From luttgens at fusl.ac.be Sat Mar 3 16:37:33 2007 From: luttgens at fusl.ac.be (Axel Luttgens) Date: Sat Mar 3 16:38:00 2007 Subject: launchd question In-Reply-To: <12B52982-7952-46D1-B5B7-71AD8ED50BB5@internode.on.net> References: <20070301200003.71E7E13B4A1@dynamic-www.omnigroup.com> <1CBED46C-693D-45E7-B299-EEBB7C9340D7@internode.on.net> <45E95ED9.1020903@fusl.ac.be> <12B52982-7952-46D1-B5B7-71AD8ED50BB5@internode.on.net> Message-ID: <45EA14CD.2040900@fusl.ac.be> On 3/03/07 13:18, Christopher Hunt wrote: > Hi Axel, > > [...] > I can give it a go on Monday when I'm back in the office [...] Thanks a lot for having read my rather illegible post. :-) I hope we've somehow gone further, and am enjoying to hear about your investigations on next Monday. But please have a good Sunday in the meantime ;-) Axel From gregor.alessi at mac.com Sun Mar 4 02:05:40 2007 From: gregor.alessi at mac.com (Gregor Alessi) Date: Sun Mar 4 02:05:49 2007 Subject: December iMac vs. Netgear GS105 hub In-Reply-To: <0197AC6E-F0CE-4878-9B11-B653D7C007EB@objectwerks.com> References: <4FD1524F-386D-44F5-BC16-36325F0BAC34@kreme.com> <0197AC6E-F0CE-4878-9B11-B653D7C007EB@objectwerks.com> Message-ID: On 03.03.2007, at 21:19, Chad Leigh wrote: > > On Mar 3, 2007, at 12:18 PM, LuKreme wrote: > >> On 2-Mar-2007, at 17:45, Tom M.Blenko wrote: >>> AppleCare has been utterly unhelpful. They say that when iMac is >>> plugged back to back with the dual G5 there's nothing wrong, so >>> it's not a problem with the machine or its configuration. They >>> want to blame the hub. >> >> And they are right. If it works without the hub and it doesn't >> work with the hub, then the hub is the issue. > > Well, it is not that simple. In this case it probably is the hub. > > But directly hooking the two Macs together with a crossover cable > and it then working does not say that the Mac does not have an > issue in meeting the ethernet spec that just doesn't happen to get > tripped when hooking them together (maybe they both have the same > issue so can talk together, both wrong) First thing I would try is a real router, and replace this fancy Airport thing handing out IPs and somehow shoving packets around. Were having Netgears here (well, the 10/100 ones, FS series) but I think we get more than 1-2 MB/s. AFAIK, Airport Extreme doesn't do Gigabit. http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/wireless/the-things-other-apple-airport- extreme-reviews-dont-tell-you-237233.php I know the connection speed should be negotiated between the involved hosts (in this case iMac-Switch-DPG5), so the router should not be involved. Maybe some of the gurus could shed some light on how those connections are invoked. Regards Gregor From kremels at kreme.com Sun Mar 4 04:14:00 2007 From: kremels at kreme.com (LuKreme) Date: Sun Mar 4 04:14:16 2007 Subject: December iMac vs. Netgear GS105 hub In-Reply-To: References: <4FD1524F-386D-44F5-BC16-36325F0BAC34@kreme.com> <0197AC6E-F0CE-4878-9B11-B653D7C007EB@objectwerks.com> Message-ID: <24674E17-05B5-4420-98C6-5EEE68BECB5B@kreme.com> On 4-Mar-2007, at 03:05, Gregor Alessi wrote: > AFAIK, Airport Extreme doesn't do Gigabit. No, but 1-2MB is crappy for 10bT, much less 100bT. > I know the connection speed should be negotiated between the > involved hosts (in this case iMac-Switch-DPG5), so the router > should not be involved. Maybe some of the gurus could shed some > light on how those connections are invoked. I get 8MB/s or so on my LAN # rsync --progress CD_Image.dmg /Volumes/POCRAP/ 913342464 33% 8.84MB/s 0:03:38 /Volumes/POCRAP/ is my secondary drive on the wintendo machine I get ~35MB/s making a local copy from one disk (SATA) to another (SATA). I get ~20MB/s making a local copy from one disk (SATA) to another (PATA). The LAN is fast enough to stream DVD quality DiVX/Xvid to the wintendo for display on the TV. -- A: You're wrong Q: I'v never found that to be true A: Because it makes following messages more difficult Q: Why is top-posting evil? From shawnce at gmail.com Sun Mar 4 07:16:14 2007 From: shawnce at gmail.com (Shawn Erickson) Date: Sun Mar 4 07:16:36 2007 Subject: December iMac vs. Netgear GS105 hub In-Reply-To: References: <4FD1524F-386D-44F5-BC16-36325F0BAC34@kreme.com> <0197AC6E-F0CE-4878-9B11-B653D7C007EB@objectwerks.com> Message-ID: <9D7A866B-6D25-49B9-9CC0-DA70975ADB8F@gmail.com> On Mar 4, 2007, at 2:05 AM, Gregor Alessi wrote: > > On 03.03.2007, at 21:19, Chad Leigh wrote: > >> >> On Mar 3, 2007, at 12:18 PM, LuKreme wrote: >> >>> On 2-Mar-2007, at 17:45, Tom M.Blenko wrote: >>>> AppleCare has been utterly unhelpful. They say that when iMac is >>>> plugged back to back with the dual G5 there's nothing wrong, so >>>> it's not a problem with the machine or its configuration. They >>>> want to blame the hub. >>> >>> And they are right. If it works without the hub and it doesn't >>> work with the hub, then the hub is the issue. >> >> Well, it is not that simple. In this case it probably is the hub. >> >> But directly hooking the two Macs together with a crossover cable >> and it then working does not say that the Mac does not have an >> issue in meeting the ethernet spec that just doesn't happen to get >> tripped when hooking them together (maybe they both have the same >> issue so can talk together, both wrong) > > First thing I would try is a real router, and replace this fancy > Airport thing handing out IPs and somehow shoving packets around. > Were having Netgears here (well, the 10/100 ones, FS series) but I > think we get more than 1-2 MB/s. > > AFAIK, Airport Extreme doesn't do Gigabit. > http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/wireless/the-things-other-apple-airport- > extreme-reviews-dont-tell-you-237233.php > > I know the connection speed should be negotiated between the > involved hosts (in this case iMac-Switch-DPG5), so the router > should not be involved. Maybe some of the gurus could shed some > light on how those connections are invoked. It sounds like a link negotiation issue with the hub and likely nothing to do with the Airport. We have LinkSys hubs at work that sometimes get into a degraded state (one or more ports). The source of the issue is a logic flaw that can get triggered when a the IP based phones we have are connected to the hub with specific other devices (my MBP being one). Simply power cycling the hub restores normal connection speeds. As an FYI I can max the 100baseT ports on my AE just fine. -Shawn From donmontalvo at mac.com Sun Mar 4 10:18:52 2007 From: donmontalvo at mac.com (don montalvo) Date: Sun Mar 4 10:19:01 2007 Subject: Retrospect Workgroup NIB for sale In-Reply-To: <20070228200004.2F3DB13AA79@dynamic-www.omnigroup.com> References: <20070228200004.2F3DB13AA79@dynamic-www.omnigroup.com> Message-ID: <45EB0D8C.5000904@mac.com> Noam Birnbaum wrote: > We recommended that a customer purchase this for their network > backups, only to discover that Retrospect is broken on 10.4.8 Server > Universal...!!! Can anybody say L-A-M-E? Since the shrinkwrap is > broken Apple won't take it back, so we've credited the customer and > would like to sell it for as close to original retail as possible. > I'll pay shipping on a best offer. > > Thanks all! > > noam > > Noam Birnbaum > http://maccentricsolutions.com/ > 510.332.3828 (cell) > 877.luv.macs x89 (main) lame. i'm sure you'll find someone on this list who'll want to buy it. ;) don -- don montalvo, nyc 917-559-5713 donmontalvo@mac.com http://donmontalvo.com ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "live is like riding a bicycle. to keep your balance you must keep moving" -albert einstein From jwelch at bynkii.com Sun Mar 4 10:26:03 2007 From: jwelch at bynkii.com (John C. Welch) Date: Sun Mar 4 10:26:33 2007 Subject: Retrospect Workgroup NIB for sale In-Reply-To: <45EB0D8C.5000904@mac.com> Message-ID: On 3/4/07 12:18, "don montalvo" wrote: > lame. i'm sure you'll find someone on this list who'll want to buy it. ;) and someone who will threaten to kick their ass if they do :-P -- John C. Welch Writer/Analyst Bynkii.com Mac and other opinions jwelch@bynkii.com From lists at anderhome.com Sun Mar 4 11:09:12 2007 From: lists at anderhome.com (Ken Anderson) Date: Sun Mar 4 11:10:20 2007 Subject: Retrospect Workgroup NIB for sale In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <94645F48-207E-46F7-98F4-18B46FA3291F@anderhome.com> On Mar 4, 2007, at 1:26 PM, John C. Welch wrote: > On 3/4/07 12:18, "don montalvo" wrote: > >> lame. i'm sure you'll find someone on this list who'll want to buy >> it. ;) > > and someone who will threaten to kick their ass if they do :-P John - I would really like to understand your comment. Can you elaborate on why someone would threaten such a thing? > > -- > John C. Welch Writer/Analyst > Bynkii.com Mac and other opinions > jwelch@bynkii.com > > > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-admin mailing list > MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin From jwelch at bynkii.com Sun Mar 4 11:35:43 2007 From: jwelch at bynkii.com (John C. Welch) Date: Sun Mar 4 11:41:01 2007 Subject: Retrospect Workgroup NIB for sale In-Reply-To: <94645F48-207E-46F7-98F4-18B46FA3291F@anderhome.com> Message-ID: On 3/4/07 13:09, "Ken Anderson" wrote: >>> lame. i'm sure you'll find someone on this list who'll want to buy >>> it. ;) >> >> and someone who will threaten to kick their ass if they do :-P > > John - I would really like to understand your comment. Can you > elaborate on why someone would threaten such a thing? It's a pretty silly thing, but I find it amusing as heck, and it really makes my inner 12 year old smile and look for old-skool G.I. Joes. Here: -- John C. Welch Writer/Analyst Bynkii.com Mac and other opinions jwelch@bynkii.com From lista at selbstdenker.ag Mon Mar 5 06:21:05 2007 From: lista at selbstdenker.ag (Eckbert Peter Dollhofer) Date: Mon Mar 5 07:21:11 2007 Subject: Backupsolution for heterogenous network Message-ID: <450D32F2-8F61-49C5-AA54-EFB5490357C6@selbstdenker.ag> Dear List, We used Retrospect for the last years... but it takes years by now to write and restore. Especially as there is now Update from EMC since 2005 for the Mac Version and there have been lot of weird issues, we are looking for something better. I have had a glimpse at NetVault and thinking about a Testdrive - but before wasting my time I thought is should ask here first. Clients are up to 2 Win and one Linux System only OS X machines. We use PPC and Intels. We have some clients in our office which we directly backup with Retrospect and some more servers in our housing, wich we mirror by rsync into the office and then backup the mirror by retrospect. Backup Sets can grow larger than 1 Mio files even with quarterly recycling backups. So far by now - my ears are pricked up ;-) Cheers Eckbert From conrad at yoders.org Mon Mar 5 11:43:21 2007 From: conrad at yoders.org (Conrad G T Yoder) Date: Mon Mar 5 12:08:31 2007 Subject: Backupsolution for heterogenous network In-Reply-To: <450D32F2-8F61-49C5-AA54-EFB5490357C6@selbstdenker.ag> Message-ID: At 3/5/07 9:21 AM -0500, Eckbert Peter Dollhofer wrote: > > We used Retrospect for the last years... but it takes years by now to > write and restore. Especially as there is now Update from EMC since > 2005 for the Mac Version and there have been lot of weird issues, we > are looking for something better. I have had a glimpse at NetVault Not sure whether you care more about OS X or Retrospect - but the Windows version of Retrospect works very nicely, in all the installations I've done. You might put the backup system on one of your PCs. It's too bad the OS X version has fallen behind. EMC claims to be working on an OS X version that has parity with the Windows version, but... -Conrad -- Truth is information. From gregor.alessi at mac.com Mon Mar 5 13:44:24 2007 From: gregor.alessi at mac.com (Gregor Alessi) Date: Mon Mar 5 13:44:45 2007 Subject: Disable / enable ownership from shell Message-ID: <51792DB2-635F-486F-B953-6594714F422D@mac.com> Hi all I've searched the web for this a lot in the past, and was never able to find an answer. How does one enable/disable ownership on a volume from a shell? In Finder there's this checkbox in the Get Info dialog. To do the same via a shell, do I really need to unmount and remount the volume? Any pointer is welcome. Regards Gregor From lists at colorremedies.com Mon Mar 5 15:42:11 2007 From: lists at colorremedies.com (Chris Murphy) Date: Mon Mar 5 15:42:23 2007 Subject: Wireless disconnects Message-ID: <93C8EF7A-2E83-4CB6-842D-C9E7DA92DCB4@colorremedies.com> Router A is a Rev 2 linksys WRT-54G, running DD-WRT v23 SP2 (09/15/06) vpn. Router B is a linksys WRT-54GC running manufacturer's firmware. Powerbook G4 laptop (about 1 year old) with an Apple Airport Extreme (802.11g) card in it, running OS X 10.4.8 and all latest Airport updates applied. This one has very frequent disconnects, despite a strong signal as reported by iStumbler. Macbook Pro, less than a year old, also with Apple Airport Extreme (802.11g) and latest software. It has disconnected a couple of times, but with no where near the problems as the Powerbook is having. The powerbook system log reports the following: Mar 5 11:28:09 ColorPower kernel[0]: AirPort: Link DOWN (AP deAuth 0) Mar 5 11:28:09 ColorPower kernel[0]: AirPort: Link Active: "altitude" - 000f6646aed0 - chan 9 Mar 5 11:29:01 ColorPower kernel[0]: AirPort: Link DOWN (AP deAuth 0) Mar 5 11:29:04 ColorPower launchd: Server 0 in bootstrap 1103 uid 0: "/usr/sbin/lookupd"[2767]: exited abnormally: Hangup Mar 5 11:29:05 ColorPower configd[38]: posting notification com.apple.system.config.network_change Mar 5 11:29:07 ColorPower lookupd[2789]: lookupd (version 369.5) starting - Mon Mar 5 11:29:07 2007 Mar 5 11:29:10 ColorPower kernel[0]: AirPort: Link DOWN (out-of-range 0) Mar 5 11:29:32 ColorPower kernel[0]: AirPort: Link DOWN (out-of-range 0) Each time I try to reconnect to the AP, I get an OS error saying the AP doesn't support the encryption type (WPA2). If I turn off encryption or use WEP, I don't have these problems. They only occur when using WPA or WPA2. The errors I receive in the GUI are one of the following: The wireless network "altitude" does not support the requested encryption method. There was an error joining the Airport network "altitude". Neither console, nor system logs report anything when these messages are received, so I have little to go on as to exactly what's causing the problem. I will click "Try Again" over and over and over and it will make no difference, then if I move (literally) even 2 feet toward the AP, clicking "Try Again" works and I have a full signal. In the above instance, it's clearly the AP that is bumping me as the first line error is (AP deAuth 0) but the log also contains (client deAuth)- which I also have from time to time but not as often. Anyway, the network is randomly completely unusable as this will happen ever minute or two for hours, and then inexplicably go away the moment I move toward the AP and then back to my original location. Suggestions? Chris Murphy Color Remedies (TM) New York, NY ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Co-author "Real World Color Management, 2nd Ed" From nigel at cofa.unsw.edu.au Mon Mar 5 18:32:43 2007 From: nigel at cofa.unsw.edu.au (Nigel Kersten) Date: Mon Mar 5 18:53:17 2007 Subject: Disable / enable ownership from shell In-Reply-To: <51792DB2-635F-486F-B953-6594714F422D@mac.com> References: <51792DB2-635F-486F-B953-6594714F422D@mac.com> Message-ID: <63523C72-0450-4116-87A4-5C26B273992A@cofa.unsw.edu.au> On 06/03/2007, at 8:44 AM, Gregor Alessi wrote: > I've searched the web for this a lot in the past, and was never > able to find an answer. > > How does one enable/disable ownership on a volume from a shell? > In Finder there's this checkbox in the Get Info dialog. To do the > same via a shell, do I really need to unmount and remount the volume? > > Any pointer is welcome. $ vsdbutil -h Usage: vsdbutil [-a path] | [-c path ] [-d path] [-i] where -a adopts (activates) on-disk permissions on the specified path, -c checks the status of the permissions usage on the specified path -d disowns (deactivates) the on-disk permissions on the specified path -i initializes the permissions database to include all mounted HFS/HFS+ volumes I remember this took us a while to find initially too :) -- Nigel Kersten http://explanatorygap.net From lista at selbstdenker.ag Wed Mar 7 12:06:41 2007 From: lista at selbstdenker.ag (Eckbert Peter Dollhofer) Date: Wed Mar 7 12:07:14 2007 Subject: Backupsolution for heterogenous network In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <621F39B3-BAFC-4E4F-A232-CFEBC6B3BAA1@selbstdenker.ag> Am 05.03.2007 um 20:43 schrieb Conrad G T Yoder: > At 3/5/07 9:21 AM -0500, Eckbert Peter Dollhofer > > wrote: >> >> We used Retrospect for the last years... but it takes years by now to >> write and restore. Especially as there is now Update from EMC since >> 2005 for the Mac Version and there have been lot of weird issues, we >> are looking for something better. I have had a glimpse at NetVault > > Not sure whether you care more about OS X or Retrospect - but the > Windows > version of Retrospect works very nicely, in all the installations > I've done. > You might put the backup system on one of your PCs. It's too bad > the OS X > version has fallen behind. EMC claims to be working on an OS X > version that > has parity with the Windows version, but... > > -Conrad Well - did some trial backups with NetVault in between. What looks good is the quick access to files inside BU-sets. What did not really work always was the search fkt. Windows not really is an option for us. At the moment I am thinking about splitting up large backup sets and maybe going back from intel to a G5 (just switch from a G4 to Intel which is faster but not very impressive) Eckbert > > -- > Truth is information. > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-admin mailing list > MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin From scott_ribe at killerbytes.com Wed Mar 7 12:08:42 2007 From: scott_ribe at killerbytes.com (Scott Ribe) Date: Wed Mar 7 12:13:05 2007 Subject: DHCP question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >> (I'm moving to an ADSL broadband and for some reason, things don't >> work well unless all the stations on the LAN sharing the NAT are set >> up to get their addresses from a DHCP server.) > > That sounds very dubious. I believe it was a D-Link router that I used once way back, that would lock up whenever packets from 2 different subnets were sent over the same physical segment. Ever since that (and the router that snottily informed me that 255.255.254.0 was not a valid value for net mask), I don't doubt any reported stupidity in consumer-grade routers. -- Scott Ribe scott_ribe@killerbytes.com http://www.killerbytes.com/ (303) 722-0567 voice From newslists at autonomy.caltech.edu Wed Mar 7 15:05:10 2007 From: newslists at autonomy.caltech.edu (Roland Torres) Date: Wed Mar 7 15:05:28 2007 Subject: Migration Assistant and Quicken database? Message-ID: <719564B7-52BB-4F16-83A6-C4C8F1928592@autonomy.caltech.edu> My friend has an old 'iLamp' Mac and wants to upgrade to a new iMac. He is worried about how to transfer his stuff off the old and onto the new, and I told him that OS X has a 'Migration Assistant' application that can do that. However, he has a Quicken database on the old Mac. Does anyone know if Migration Assistant will 'copy' (rebuild? recreate?) it correctly? From what I understand, Quicken DBs are somehow tied to physical blocks on the disk. Intuit doesn't seem to offer a tool to do the job, as far as I can tell. Roland From scott_ribe at killerbytes.com Wed Mar 7 16:14:55 2007 From: scott_ribe at killerbytes.com (Scott Ribe) Date: Wed Mar 7 16:15:11 2007 Subject: Migration Assistant and Quicken database? In-Reply-To: <719564B7-52BB-4F16-83A6-C4C8F1928592@autonomy.caltech.edu> Message-ID: > From what I understand, > Quicken DBs are somehow tied to physical blocks on the disk. What??? It's a file. Copy it. -- Scott Ribe scott_ribe@killerbytes.com http://www.killerbytes.com/ (303) 722-0567 voice From newslists at autonomy.caltech.edu Wed Mar 7 16:28:48 2007 From: newslists at autonomy.caltech.edu (Roland Torres) Date: Wed Mar 7 16:28:59 2007 Subject: Migration Assistant and Quicken database? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <96CAD11C-8656-4C9C-9EB0-CBD55D363B9D@autonomy.caltech.edu> On Mar 7, 2007, at 4:14 PM, Scott Ribe wrote: >> From what I understand, >> Quicken DBs are somehow tied to physical blocks on the disk. > > What??? It's a file. Copy it. How? I've tried copying it with the Finder, I've tried using cp, and I've tried tar, and Quicken rejects the copies, "This is not a valid Quicken database." I don't know what's so special about the original DB file, but I was told a few years ago that they use 'physical block access' or somesuch, which would render a data copy of it useless. Granted, he's using an older version (Q2004 on 10.3.9, I think). Roland From scott_ribe at killerbytes.com Wed Mar 7 16:48:47 2007 From: scott_ribe at killerbytes.com (Scott Ribe) Date: Wed Mar 7 16:48:50 2007 Subject: Migration Assistant and Quicken database? In-Reply-To: <96CAD11C-8656-4C9C-9EB0-CBD55D363B9D@autonomy.caltech.edu> Message-ID: > How? I've tried copying it with the Finder, I've tried using cp, and > I've tried tar, and Quicken rejects the copies, "This is not a valid > Quicken database." I've copied Quicken files many times, with the Finder, and never had any problem with it. From '97 to '01 to '05... Using cp or tar might well strip off type & creator or resource forks, depending on OS version and command-line options used, and Quicken might well depend on some of that kind of Mac-specific metadata. > ...but I was told a few years ago that they use 'physical block > access' or somesuch, which would render a data copy of it useless. That sounds like BS from someone who was "winging it" without having a clue what they were talking about; assuming of course that you're remembering it accurately; either way, try to forget you ever heard it ;-) As for your current problem, I'd suggest posting more details about exactly what you've tried. -- Scott Ribe scott_ribe@killerbytes.com http://www.killerbytes.com/ (303) 722-0567 voice From hmag at ozemail.com.au Wed Mar 7 17:05:30 2007 From: hmag at ozemail.com.au (Terry Allen) Date: Wed Mar 7 17:31:16 2007 Subject: Migration Assistant and Quicken database? In-Reply-To: <719564B7-52BB-4F16-83A6-C4C8F1928592@autonomy.caltech.edu> References: <719564B7-52BB-4F16-83A6-C4C8F1928592@autonomy.caltech.edu> Message-ID: >My friend has an old 'iLamp' Mac and wants to upgrade to a new iMac. >He is worried about how to transfer his stuff off the old and onto >the new, and I told him that OS X has a 'Migration Assistant' >application that can do that. However, he has a Quicken database on >the old Mac. Does anyone know if Migration Assistant will 'copy' >(rebuild? recreate?) it correctly? From what I understand, Quicken >DBs are somehow tied to physical blocks on the disk. Intuit doesn't >seem to offer a tool to do the job, as far as I can tell. > >Roland > Hi again, We've found that the Migration assistant works extremely well. My suggestion is to start the old machine in Firewire target mode, connect a firewire cable to the new machine & run the assistant. At the very worst, you'll only find that Quicken won't accept the new database & you'll have lost nothing from the old machine. -- Bye for now, Terry Allen ___________________________________________________________________ hEARd Postal Address: hEARd, 26B Glenning Rd, Glenning Valley, NSW 2261, Australia Internet - WWW: http://heard.com.au http://itavservices.com EMAIL: hmag@ozemail.com.au Phone: Australia - 02 4388 1400 / International - + 61 2 43881400 Mobile: Australia - 04 28881400 / International - 61 4 28881400 ----------------------------------------------- Non profit promotion for new music - since 1994 ----------------------------------------------- From chad+macosx at objectwerks.com Wed Mar 7 19:08:28 2007 From: chad+macosx at objectwerks.com (Chad Leigh) Date: Wed Mar 7 19:08:50 2007 Subject: Migration Assistant and Quicken database? In-Reply-To: References: <719564B7-52BB-4F16-83A6-C4C8F1928592@autonomy.caltech.edu> Message-ID: <52223A0C-695A-4847-B78A-70436256AA3A@objectwerks.com> On Mar 7, 2007, at 6:05 PM, Terry Allen wrote: >> My friend has an old 'iLamp' Mac and wants to upgrade to a new >> iMac. He is worried about how to transfer his stuff off the old >> and onto the new, and I told him that OS X has a 'Migration >> Assistant' application that can do that. However, he has a Quicken >> database on the old Mac. Does anyone know if Migration Assistant >> will 'copy' (rebuild? recreate?) it correctly? From what I >> understand, Quicken DBs are somehow tied to physical blocks on the >> disk. Intuit doesn't seem to offer a tool to do the job, as far >> as I can tell. >> >> Roland >> > Hi again, > We've found that the Migration assistant works extremely well. My > suggestion is to start the old machine in Firewire target mode, > connect a firewire cable to the new machine & run the assistant. You can also try burning a Mac compatible CD on the old machine and bring it to the new machine. Finder copy should not lose meta data Chad > At the very worst, you'll only find that Quicken won't accept the > new database & you'll have lost nothing from the old machine. From janos.lobb at yale.edu Thu Mar 8 06:50:12 2007 From: janos.lobb at yale.edu (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?J=E1nos?=) Date: Thu Mar 8 06:50:17 2007 Subject: Migration Assistant and Quicken database? In-Reply-To: <719564B7-52BB-4F16-83A6-C4C8F1928592@autonomy.caltech.edu> References: <719564B7-52BB-4F16-83A6-C4C8F1928592@autonomy.caltech.edu> Message-ID: <3492B2FC-3DDA-43A6-B765-2A23E9B3C29A@yale.edu> On Mar 7, 2007, at 6:05 PM, Roland Torres wrote: > My friend has an old 'iLamp' Mac and wants to upgrade to a new > iMac. He is worried about how to transfer his stuff off the old and > onto the new, and I told him that OS X has a 'Migration Assistant' > application that can do that. However, he has a Quicken database on > the old Mac. Does anyone know if Migration Assistant will > 'copy' (rebuild? recreate?) it correctly? From what I understand, > Quicken DBs are somehow tied to physical blocks on the disk. > Intuit doesn't seem to offer a tool to do the job, as far as I can > tell. > > Roland > > Roland, You might have a corrupted file system either on the iLamp or on the new machine, so run disk first aid first. I copied my Quicken database with no problem from an SE/30 to my iBook a few years ago over a 10BaseT connection. J?nos ---------------------------------------------- Trying to argue with a politician is like lifting up the head of a corpse. (S. Lem: His Master Voice) From daniel at highdesertchurch.com Fri Mar 9 14:49:21 2007 From: daniel at highdesertchurch.com (Daniel Hazelbaker) Date: Fri Mar 9 15:15:41 2007 Subject: CLI Recording Message-ID: <839957E9-79A3-48E9-9D0F-CF56F86C48DE@highdesertchurch.com> I need a way to record from the CLI to an .aif (or .wav) from a specific audio device. Reason being is we do timed recordings that we use as backups if our sound person forgets to hit record on the CD or there is a problem etc. We do not want to depend on user intervention to click record. Right now I use Linux, ALSA and arecord from a cron job to do this, but I would like to move to a Mac Mini running OS X. Does anybody know of any software that will let me record from a cron job even if a user is not logged in? Daniel Hazelbaker High Desert Church From newslists at autonomy.caltech.edu Fri Mar 9 17:17:15 2007 From: newslists at autonomy.caltech.edu (Roland Torres) Date: Fri Mar 9 17:17:20 2007 Subject: Migration Assistant and Quicken database? In-Reply-To: <3492B2FC-3DDA-43A6-B765-2A23E9B3C29A@yale.edu> References: <719564B7-52BB-4F16-83A6-C4C8F1928592@autonomy.caltech.edu> <3492B2FC-3DDA-43A6-B765-2A23E9B3C29A@yale.edu> Message-ID: On Mar 8, 2007, at 6:50 AM, J?nos wrote: > > On Mar 7, 2007, at 6:05 PM, Roland Torres wrote: > >> My friend has an old 'iLamp' Mac and wants to upgrade to a new >> iMac. He is worried about how to transfer his stuff off the old >> and onto the new, and I told him that OS X has a 'Migration >> Assistant' application that can do that. However, he has a Quicken >> database on the old Mac. Does anyone know if Migration Assistant >> will 'copy' (rebuild? recreate?) it correctly? From what I >> understand, Quicken DBs are somehow tied to physical blocks on the >> disk. Intuit doesn't seem to offer a tool to do the job, as far >> as I can tell. >> > > Roland, > > You might have a corrupted file system either on the iLamp or on > the new machine, so run disk first aid first. > > I copied my Quicken database with no problem from an SE/30 to my > iBook a few years ago over a 10BaseT connection. Thanks J?nos, Scott, Chad, Terry and everyone for all the suggestions. Perhaps there is indeed some file corruption or something squirrelly going on, because I sure couldn't make a copy of the DB file that Quicken would load. I will try again, first doing an fsck and Disk Warrior. Once I get this issued squared away (understandably, he doesn't want to redo his Quicken setup from scratch), then he'll likely go ahead with a new machine. One assumption, though, is that copying the Quicken DB file from a G4 machine to a Core 2 Duo will not introduce architecture/endian problems on the new machine? Otherwise, being able to make a copy of the DB file is a moot point. Roland From Arfst.Braren at heidelberg.com Wed Mar 14 02:12:34 2007 From: Arfst.Braren at heidelberg.com (Arfst Braren) Date: Wed Mar 14 02:31:27 2007 Subject: DHCP question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: "Dan Shoop" wrote > At 1:12 AM -0500 3/2/07, Richard Peskin wrote: ... > > You could also still use dynamically assigned IP addresses and do > Dynamic DNS for those hosts that need addressed by specific name. Not trivial but best! Avoid Microsoft DNS servers they have problems keeping the ReverseLookup upToDate. > > However the entire problem is generally mooted by zeroconfig / > bonjour. You can just use .local addresses > That's slower because clients use MDNS instead of DNS protocol >> (I'm moving to an ADSL broadband and for some reason, things don't >> work well unless all the stations on the LAN sharing the NAT are set >> up to get their addresses from a DHCP server.) > > That sounds very dubious. > > If so why not get a different / better NAT appliance. They come free > with breakfast cereal these days. > > You can also reflash many of them with better firmware. Has anyone experience with DynamicDNS and OpenWRT ? Confidentiality note: The information in this email and any attachment may contain confidential and proprietary information of Heidelberger Druckmaschinen AG and/or its affiliates and may be privileged or otherwise protected from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any review, reliance or distribution by others or forwarding without express permission is strictly prohibited and may cause liability. In case you have received this message due to an error in transmission, we kindly ask you to notify the sender immediately and to delete this email and any attachment from your system. From shoop at iwiring.net Wed Mar 14 09:35:53 2007 From: shoop at iwiring.net (Dan Shoop) Date: Wed Mar 14 09:36:04 2007 Subject: CLI Recording In-Reply-To: <839957E9-79A3-48E9-9D0F-CF56F86C48DE@highdesertchurch.com> References: <839957E9-79A3-48E9-9D0F-CF56F86C48DE@highdesertchurch.com> Message-ID: At 2:49 PM -0800 3/9/07, Daniel Hazelbaker wrote: >I need a way to record from the CLI to an .aif (or .wav) from a >specific audio device. Reason being is we do timed recordings that >we use as backups if our sound person forgets to hit record on the >CD or there is a problem etc. We do not want to depend on user >intervention to click record. Right now I use Linux, ALSA and >arecord from a cron job to do this, but I would like to move to a >Mac Mini running OS X. Does anybody know of any software that will >let me record from a cron job even if a user is not logged in? Whatever tool you use would be what has the specific command line interface and options. So depending on which tool you use will depend on what command line interface options are available. Do you mean a "shell", like bash, when you say CLI? In that case the command invoked will be the command of the audio tool doing the recording. -- -dhan ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Dan Shoop AIM: iWiring Systems & Networks Architect http://www.ustsvs.com/ shoop@iwiring.net http://www.iwiring.net/ 1-714-363-1174 "The wise man doesn't give the right answers, he poses the right questions." -- Claude Levi-Strauss ------------------------------------------------------------------------ iWiring provides systems and networks support for Mac OS X, unix, and Open Source application technologies at affordable rates. From shoop at iwiring.net Wed Mar 14 09:36:58 2007 From: shoop at iwiring.net (Dan Shoop) Date: Wed Mar 14 09:37:09 2007 Subject: DHCP question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 10:12 AM +0100 3/14/07, Arfst Braren wrote: > "Dan Shoop" wrote > > At 1:12 AM -0500 3/2/07, Richard Peskin wrote: > > If so why not get a different / better NAT appliance. They come free >> with breakfast cereal these days. >> >> You can also reflash many of them with better firmware. >Has anyone experience with DynamicDNS and OpenWRT ? I use SveaSoft, not exactly OpenWRT but close. So Yes, I have experience with both. Not sure how that answer helps you or anyone. -- -dhan ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Dan Shoop AIM: iWiring Systems & Networks Architect http://www.ustsvs.com/ shoop@iwiring.net http://www.iwiring.net/ 1-714-363-1174 "The wise man doesn't give the right answers, he poses the right questions." -- Claude Levi-Strauss ------------------------------------------------------------------------ iWiring provides systems and networks support for Mac OS X, unix, and Open Source application technologies at affordable rates. From daniel at highdesertchurch.com Wed Mar 14 10:01:20 2007 From: daniel at highdesertchurch.com (Daniel Hazelbaker) Date: Wed Mar 14 10:01:15 2007 Subject: CLI Recording In-Reply-To: References: <839957E9-79A3-48E9-9D0F-CF56F86C48DE@highdesertchurch.com> Message-ID: Yes, as in bash. i.e. something like: record --device "Built-In Microphone" --duration 3600 output.aif But as of yet, I have not found anything like the above that works with Core Audio. Daniel On Mar 14, 2007, at 9:35 AM, Dan Shoop wrote: > At 2:49 PM -0800 3/9/07, Daniel Hazelbaker wrote: >> I need a way to record from the CLI to an .aif (or .wav) from a >> specific audio device. Reason being is we do timed recordings that >> we use as backups if our sound person forgets to hit record on the >> CD or there is a problem etc. We do not want to depend on user >> intervention to click record. Right now I use Linux, ALSA and >> arecord from a cron job to do this, but I would like to move to a >> Mac Mini running OS X. Does anybody know of any software that will >> let me record from a cron job even if a user is not logged in? > > Whatever tool you use would be what has the specific command line > interface and options. So depending on which tool you use will > depend on what command line interface options are available. > > Do you mean a "shell", like bash, when you say CLI? In that case the > command invoked will be the command of the audio tool doing the > recording. > -- > > -dhan > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Dan Shoop AIM: > iWiring > Systems & Networks Architect http://www.ustsvs.com/ > shoop@iwiring.net http://www.iwiring.net/ > 1-714-363-1174 > > "The wise man doesn't give the right answers, he poses the right > questions." -- Claude Levi-Strauss > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > iWiring provides systems and networks support for Mac OS X, unix, and > Open Source application technologies at affordable rates. > From shoop at iwiring.net Wed Mar 14 14:01:12 2007 From: shoop at iwiring.net (Dan Shoop) Date: Wed Mar 14 14:01:37 2007 Subject: CLI Recording In-Reply-To: References: <839957E9-79A3-48E9-9D0F-CF56F86C48DE@highdesertchurch.com> Message-ID: At 10:01 AM -0700 3/14/07, Daniel Hazelbaker wrote: >Yes, as in bash. i.e. something like: > >record --device "Built-In Microphone" --duration 3600 output.aif > >But as of yet, I have not found anything like the above that works >with Core Audio. > >Daniel > > >On Mar 14, 2007, at 9:35 AM, Dan Shoop wrote: > >>At 2:49 PM -0800 3/9/07, Daniel Hazelbaker wrote: >> >>>I need a way to record from the CLI to an .aif (or .wav) from a >>>specific audio device. Reason being is we do timed recordings >>>that we use as backups if our sound person forgets to hit record >>>on the CD or there is a problem etc. We do not want to depend on >>>user intervention to click record. Right now I use Linux, ALSA >>>and arecord from a cron job to do this, but I would like to move >>>to a Mac Mini running OS X. Does anybody know of any software >>>that will let me record from a cron job even if a user is not >>>logged in? >>> >> >>Whatever tool you use would be what has the specific command line >>interface and options. So depending on which tool you use will >>depend on what command line interface options are available. >> >>Do you mean a "shell", like bash, when you say CLI? In that case >>the command invoked will be the command of the audio tool doing >>the recording. PLEASE don't top post. Presumably you already have some audio recording application and would use osascript on it. `man osascript` -- -dhan ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Dan Shoop AIM: iWiring Systems & Networks Architect http://www.ustsvs.com/ shoop@iwiring.net http://www.iwiring.net/ 1-714-363-1174 "The wise man doesn't give the right answers, he poses the right questions." -- Claude Levi-Strauss ------------------------------------------------------------------------ iWiring provides systems and networks support for Mac OS X, unix, and Open Source application technologies at affordable rates. From henry at martintechs.com Wed Mar 14 14:40:12 2007 From: henry at martintechs.com (Henry Martin) Date: Wed Mar 14 15:40:22 2007 Subject: CLI Recording In-Reply-To: References: <839957E9-79A3-48E9-9D0F-CF56F86C48DE@highdesertchurch.com> Message-ID: On Mar 14, 2007, at 12:01 PM, Daniel Hazelbaker wrote: > Yes, as in bash. i.e. something like: > > record --device "Built-In Microphone" --duration 3600 output.aif > > But as of yet, I have not found anything like the above that works > with Core Audio. I know you asked for a command line tool to use with cron, but have you looked at Audio Hijack? It includes a recording scheduler and might take care of your problem. It can also be controlled by AppleScript. Off the top of my head, I would, however, be surprised if it meets your other requirement of the user not being logged in. http://www.rogueamoeba.com/audiohijack/features.php From scott_ribe at killerbytes.com Fri Mar 16 06:51:05 2007 From: scott_ribe at killerbytes.com (Scott Ribe) Date: Fri Mar 16 06:51:20 2007 Subject: Any log of finder errors Message-ID: Had my PB attached in target disk mode to my tower, copying a batch of files. Finder reported "error -36 while reading or writing a file". Now, in my experience, an IO error from a disk is always followed by disk failure, so my instinct is to immediately replace the drive. But the Finder error doesn't tell me which one. And I've opened console, nothing in console.log or system.log, and I've looked for other appropriate logs and didn't find anything. Is there a log somewhere that would contain more information about the error? -- Scott Ribe scott_ribe@killerbytes.com http://www.killerbytes.com/ (303) 722-0567 voice From shoop at iwiring.net Fri Mar 16 11:23:16 2007 From: shoop at iwiring.net (Dan Shoop) Date: Fri Mar 16 11:23:32 2007 Subject: Any log of finder errors In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 7:51 AM -0600 3/16/07, Scott Ribe wrote: >Had my PB attached in target disk mode to my tower, copying a batch of >files. Finder reported "error -36 while reading or writing a file". Now, in >my experience, an IO error from a disk is always followed by disk failure, >so my instinct is to immediately replace the drive. But the Finder error >doesn't tell me which one. And I've opened console, nothing in console.log >or system.log, and I've looked for other appropriate logs and didn't find >anything. > >Is there a log somewhere that would contain more information about the >error? Not that I'm aware. Moreover your assessment of the error is probably wrong, it's merely un unexpected IO Error. It could be from a variety of things. I'd fsck the disk first as volume corruption is more likely than drive failure. -- -dhan ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Dan Shoop AIM: iWiring Systems & Networks Architect http://www.ustsvs.com/ shoop@iwiring.net http://www.iwiring.net/ 1-714-363-1174 "The wise man doesn't give the right answers, he poses the right questions." -- Claude Levi-Strauss ------------------------------------------------------------------------ iWiring provides systems and networks support for Mac OS X, unix, and Open Source application technologies at affordable rates. From scott_ribe at killerbytes.com Fri Mar 16 12:00:28 2007 From: scott_ribe at killerbytes.com (Scott Ribe) Date: Fri Mar 16 12:00:41 2007 Subject: Any log of finder errors In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Not that I'm aware. Thanks. I figure if it's there, you would know it. Oh well. > Moreover your assessment of the error is probably wrong, it's merely > un unexpected IO Error. It could be from a variety of things. I'd > fsck the disk first as volume corruption is more likely than drive > failure. In 20 years I have never, ever, seen a Mac give an IO error from drive corruption or indeed any source other than failing hardware--my understanding is it's a pretty low-level error, meaning the drive was unable to read the block, verify the checksum, and pass the bits out. Of course I've also only seen a very small number of IO errors so I don't have a big statistical base to work from, but experience (and understanding of what it means) lead me to think of "error -36" as meaning "impending meltdown". *NO* other file system error code points so directly to hardware; anything other error and I'd take several more steps before starting to price drives ;-) -- Scott Ribe scott_ribe@killerbytes.com http://www.killerbytes.com/ (303) 722-0567 voice From shoop at iwiring.net Fri Mar 16 13:37:39 2007 From: shoop at iwiring.net (Dan Shoop) Date: Fri Mar 16 13:37:56 2007 Subject: Any log of finder errors In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 1:00 PM -0600 3/16/07, Scott Ribe wrote: > > Not that I'm aware. > >Thanks. I figure if it's there, you would know it. Oh well. > >> Moreover your assessment of the error is probably wrong, it's merely >> un unexpected IO Error. It could be from a variety of things. I'd >> fsck the disk first as volume corruption is more likely than drive >> failure. > >In 20 years I have never, ever, seen a Mac give an IO error from drive >corruption or indeed any source other than failing hardware--my >understanding is it's a pretty low-level error, meaning the drive was unable >to read the block, verify the checksum, and pass the bits out. Of course >I've also only seen a very small number of IO errors so I don't have a big >statistical base to work from, but experience (and understanding of what it >means) lead me to think of "error -36" as meaning "impending meltdown". *NO* >other file system error code points so directly to hardware; anything other >error and I'd take several more steps before starting to price drives ;-) IO errors could occur at any spot in the IO stack. For instance you could have had a firewire glich. These are not uncommon when in TDM. -- -dhan ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Dan Shoop AIM: iWiring Systems & Networks Architect http://www.ustsvs.com/ shoop@iwiring.net http://www.iwiring.net/ 1-714-363-1174 "The wise man doesn't give the right answers, he poses the right questions." -- Claude Levi-Strauss ------------------------------------------------------------------------ iWiring provides systems and networks support for Mac OS X, unix, and Open Source application technologies at affordable rates. From scott_ribe at killerbytes.com Fri Mar 16 15:26:15 2007 From: scott_ribe at killerbytes.com (Scott Ribe) Date: Fri Mar 16 15:26:27 2007 Subject: Any log of finder errors In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > IO errors could occur at any spot in the IO stack. For instance you > could have had a firewire glich. These are not uncommon when in TDM. Thanks for the clarification. I did wonder about TDM (but was trying to keep the post concise), since all the prior IO errors I've ever seen were with directly attached ATA drives, where IO error still means "bad, bad, bad" even if it comes from the controller. If they're not uncommon in TDM, and you or others have seen them in TDM without being followed by failure, then I'll relax a little. I'm still, of course, running various diagnostics. -- Scott Ribe scott_ribe@killerbytes.com http://www.killerbytes.com/ (303) 722-0567 voice From mstearne at entermix.com Fri Mar 16 15:42:40 2007 From: mstearne at entermix.com (Michael Stearne) Date: Fri Mar 16 15:42:43 2007 Subject: Network In Single User Mode Message-ID: <293e03f00703161542h707c3badpb5e8a1bb2ccb5d7b@mail.gmail.com> I have a Macbook Pro that I just was attempting to update to 10.4.9 and the update kernel paniced and I haven't been able to boot successfully since. I was thinking about rerunning the update from the single user mode startup using sh /etc/rc to get OS X running in Single User Mode and then softwareupdate -i -a to do the update. I can't seem to get the machine on the network though. ifconfig only shows the 127.0.0.1 interface. Any ideas on how to get this machine back up with reinstalling the OS. Safe Boot doesn't work either. Thanks, Michael From justin at mac.com Fri Mar 16 18:41:15 2007 From: justin at mac.com (Justin C. Walker) Date: Fri Mar 16 18:40:12 2007 Subject: Network In Single User Mode In-Reply-To: <293e03f00703161542h707c3badpb5e8a1bb2ccb5d7b@mail.gmail.com> References: <293e03f00703161542h707c3badpb5e8a1bb2ccb5d7b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20E81F00-366A-4891-A46B-ABEA0888103D@mac.com> On Mar 16, 2007, at 15:42 , Michael Stearne wrote: > I have a Macbook Pro that I just was attempting to update to 10.4.9 > and the update kernel paniced and I haven't been able to boot > successfully since. I was thinking about rerunning the update from > the single user mode startup using > > sh /etc/rc to get OS X running in Single User Mode and then > softwareupdate -i -a to do the update. I can't seem to get the > machine on the network though. ifconfig only shows the 127.0.0.1 > interface. > > Any ideas on how to get this machine back up with reinstalling the OS. > Safe Boot doesn't work either. Single-user mode is pretty bare, and to get the system to a useable state takes a fair amount of work and understanding of how the system behaves as it starts up (so you can duplicate just those steps you need). Before starting down this path, what about booting off the install CD and going from there? If you really have to do what you want, you'll probably have to study the StartupItems and launchd directories to see what happens when (unless some has done this and can fill in the blanks). Justin -- Justin C. Walker, Curmudgeon-At-Large, Director Institute for the Enhancement of the Director's Income -------- The path of least resistance: it's not just for electricity any more. -------- From mstearne at entermix.com Fri Mar 16 18:41:27 2007 From: mstearne at entermix.com (Michael Stearne) Date: Fri Mar 16 18:41:31 2007 Subject: Network In Single User Mode In-Reply-To: References: <293e03f00703161542h707c3badpb5e8a1bb2ccb5d7b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <293e03f00703161841k584cd890y341d6679bb95473e@mail.gmail.com> On 3/16/07, Milo Velimirovic wrote: > Try booting the Macbook Pro in target disk mode and install the > update from another Mac. Perfecto. OS X just works. I don't know for sure but it doesn't seem like you could do something like this on XP, let alone Vista. Michael From mstearne at entermix.com Fri Mar 16 18:44:05 2007 From: mstearne at entermix.com (Michael Stearne) Date: Fri Mar 16 18:44:11 2007 Subject: Network In Single User Mode In-Reply-To: <3834E30C-8CB4-4E10-9873-29DADE07D8DE@uiuc.edu> References: <293e03f00703161542h707c3badpb5e8a1bb2ccb5d7b@mail.gmail.com> <3834E30C-8CB4-4E10-9873-29DADE07D8DE@uiuc.edu> Message-ID: <293e03f00703161844r77171b59t6c71bdca64c18dde@mail.gmail.com> On 3/16/07, Gary Bernstein wrote: > > > _______________________________________________ > > I filed these instructions away from another list. Hopefully they > will work for you: > > > Here's an easier way. Boot into single-user mode. As the system > > suggests, run fsck -y and mount -uw /. Then do the following: > > > > # start the kernel extension daemon > > /usr/libexec/kextd > > > > # bring up the network; you'll be able to ping IPs only > > /usr/sbin/configd > > > > # start the resolver, so DNS works > > /usr/sbin/lookupd > These services do get started with "sh /etc/rc" but the system still doesn't really have network access at that point it. Installing the update in Target Disk mode worked. Thanks, Michael From mrhatken at mac.com Fri Mar 16 22:16:08 2007 From: mrhatken at mac.com (Ashley Aitken) Date: Fri Mar 16 22:17:01 2007 Subject: Unsuccessful Software Update :-( Message-ID: Howdy All, It seems I am up the creek without a paddle. I have had an unsuccessful software update of Mac OS X Server (10.4.6 to 10.4.9). It has left the machine without a whole lot of system files (I believe). It can boot until the boot startup / progress bar screen but it stops there. Interestingly the mail server seems to continue to work but the Web server doesn't. I can't connect with Server Admin or login to the machine directly (since there is no login screen) or remotely (it will accept the ssh but the password doesn't work). I tried a safe boot, booting without extensions, zapping the PRAM etc, but nothing helped. Finally I booted into single user mode and tried to run softwareupdate (to see if the update had succeeded). It won't run because parts of the Security.framework are missing. Similarly, the system.log says that parts of the servermgr are missing (image missing from framework). So, as mentioned above, it seems as though the update didn't complete successfully (for some reason). I have the OS on a different partition from the user data and other files. However, there is a lot of stuff still embedded in the OS volume (eg databases, configuration files). I back up the user data partition but I haven't backed up the OS (silly me, I guess, since all of those configuration files are embedded therein I should have). Any suggestions on what I should do next? Can I recover this partition, or do I need to do a fresh install (on another partition) and scavenge old data? It would be nice if I could just run softwareupdate again on this partition (the receipts file for 10.4.9 isn't there) and hopefully this time complete the update. The corrupted system itself won't let me do that. Unfortunately, the OS volume is on a SCSI disk and doesn't show up in TDM, so I can't boot from another machine. I don't believe the OS X Server install disk will allow me to run softwareupdate on another partition but I guess I will try that first. Any other suggestions, or tips or hints, most appreciated. Cheers, Ashley. -- Ashley Aitken Perth, Western Australia mrhatken at mac dot com Skype Name: MrHatken (GMT + 8 Hours!) From mrhatken at mac.com Sat Mar 17 01:39:35 2007 From: mrhatken at mac.com (Ashley Aitken) Date: Sat Mar 17 01:40:24 2007 Subject: Solved: Unsuccessful Software Update :-( In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <55D7ABED-5D61-4A0A-AA50-5D921434FDC4@mac.com> Howdy All, Just reporting back that the OS was not on the SCSI disk after all. It was just on a slave disk. I changed it to master than then it showed up in TDM. Applying the combined update showed me what was wrong (I had moved swupd to another partition with a soft link and it was causing the install to fail). I fixed that and installed the update again. All worked this time and I am up again working as usual. I think I will setup a script to mirror the OS partition on another partition daily so that if the OS does crash during an update etc, I should probably have a pre-update version on the other disk. Cheers, Ashley. On 17/03/2007, at 2:16 PM, Ashley Aitken wrote: > > Howdy All, > > It seems I am up the creek without a paddle. > > I have had an unsuccessful software update of Mac OS X Server > (10.4.6 to 10.4.9). It has left the machine without a whole lot of > system files (I believe). It can boot until the boot startup / > progress bar screen but it stops there. Interestingly the mail > server seems to continue to work but the Web server doesn't. I > can't connect with Server Admin or login to the machine directly > (since there is no login screen) or remotely (it will accept the > ssh but the password doesn't work). > > I tried a safe boot, booting without extensions, zapping the PRAM > etc, but nothing helped. Finally I booted into single user mode > and tried to run softwareupdate (to see if the update had > succeeded). It won't run because parts of the Security.framework > are missing. Similarly, the system.log says that parts of the > servermgr are missing (image missing from framework). So, as > mentioned above, it seems as though the update didn't complete > successfully (for some reason). > > I have the OS on a different partition from the user data and other > files. However, there is a lot of stuff still embedded in the OS > volume (eg databases, configuration files). I back up the user > data partition but I haven't backed up the OS (silly me, I guess, > since all of those configuration files are embedded therein I > should have). Any suggestions on what I should do next? Can I > recover this partition, or do I need to do a fresh install (on > another partition) and scavenge old data? > > It would be nice if I could just run softwareupdate again on this > partition (the receipts file for 10.4.9 isn't there) and hopefully > this time complete the update. The corrupted system itself won't > let me do that. Unfortunately, the OS volume is on a SCSI disk and > doesn't show up in TDM, so I can't boot from another machine. I > don't believe the OS X Server install disk will allow me to run > softwareupdate on another partition but I guess I will try that first. > > Any other suggestions, or tips or hints, most appreciated. > > Cheers, > Ashley. > > -- > Ashley Aitken > Perth, Western Australia > mrhatken at mac dot com > Skype Name: MrHatken (GMT + 8 Hours!) > > > > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-admin mailing list > MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin > From finlay.dobbie at gmail.com Sat Mar 17 05:28:25 2007 From: finlay.dobbie at gmail.com (Finlay Dobbie) Date: Sat Mar 17 05:28:29 2007 Subject: Unsuccessful Software Update :-( In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 17/03/07, Ashley Aitken wrote: > > Howdy All, > > It seems I am up the creek without a paddle. > > I have had an unsuccessful software update of Mac OS X Server (10.4.6 > to 10.4.9). It has left the machine without a whole lot of system > files (I believe). It can boot until the boot startup / progress bar > screen but it stops there. Interestingly the mail server seems to > continue to work but the Web server doesn't. This may well be a manifestation of . What does a verbose boot say? -- Finlay From mstearne at entermix.com Sat Mar 17 15:34:24 2007 From: mstearne at entermix.com (Michael Stearne) Date: Sat Mar 17 15:34:28 2007 Subject: Unsuccessful Software Update :-( In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <293e03f00703171534l223ccb3ifcbd067f966977cc@mail.gmail.com> On 3/17/07, Ashley Aitken wrote: > > Howdy All, > > It seems I am up the creek without a paddle. > > I have had an unsuccessful software update of Mac OS X Server (10.4.6 > to 10.4.9). It has left the machine without a whole lot of system > files (I believe). It can boot until the boot startup / progress bar > screen but it stops there. Interestingly the mail server seems to > continue to work but the Web server doesn't. I can't connect with > Server Admin or login to the machine directly (since there is no > login screen) or remotely (it will accept the ssh but the password > doesn't work). Ashley the same thing happened to me yesterday. What I did was download the update on another Mac. Boot the broken machine in Target Disk Mode and then from the working machine install the update to the Firewire drive (the broken machine). This worked for me and I was experiencing the same problem. Michael From appledev at xs4all.nl Mon Mar 19 02:44:00 2007 From: appledev at xs4all.nl (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_v_Amerongen?=) Date: Mon Mar 19 02:53:13 2007 Subject: Anchor or root X509 - and also entourage Message-ID: <37CFD92A-4162-4AA2-B09E-5B0977077798@xs4all.nl> Hello, I try, for several users, to get entourage work with an exchange server. If I download a crt file from http://www.instantssl.com/ssl-certificate-support/cert_installation/ specially the file http://www.instantssl.com/ssl-certificate-support/cert_installation/ ComodoSecurityServicesCA2018.crt Then I do convert it to pem base64 using the MS cert-Manager.app requested for using the entourage exchange connection. But when I double click the new file I get of course keyChain access and want to add it as an anchor-x509. This works if I am root, but not when I am a normal user. Then I don't get that option. Also when I do it with root, it shows up as anchor, but when I check with a non admin user account I see it as a root-x509. ( btw I don't see them in the list of certificates, but I do when I use the search field ) Who or what is wrong? Also why is still entourage saying it is the wrong cert. The window users have no problems with that crt. Any help or even a verification that this should works would be great. Thanks in advance, Ren? From lists at colorremedies.com Mon Mar 19 19:29:16 2007 From: lists at colorremedies.com (Chris Murphy) Date: Mon Mar 19 19:29:23 2007 Subject: file sharing painfully slow Message-ID: <605EAAB8-297A-45AE-BAA2-8E46B5E8EDC6@colorremedies.com> 900 items in a folder, all JPEGs, no custom icons on an G5 XServe, 2GB RAM, 4TB XRAID dual fiber channel on dedicated T1. Client is accessing the folder via AFP over a 1.5Mbps DSL connection. Routinely this takes 4.5 minutes, (during which time the finder is beachballing, of course), for the client Finder to not only be available but display the contents of the folder. ftp of a 70MB file confirms bandwidth is fine. So what's the explanation for this lunacy, and more importantly, what's the workaround? This is a crazy amount of time to have to wait for remotely accessing a folder over a reasonable connection. It's actually faster to use ARD and an ftp program to manage these files, but that's cumbersome for other reasons. It's almost like the Finder is asking for the icon status for every single JPEG, but I'm not sure what the deal is. Suggestions? Chris Murphy Color Remedies (TM) New York, NY ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Co-author "Real World Color Management, 2nd Ed" From robertcerny at mac.com Tue Mar 20 01:38:14 2007 From: robertcerny at mac.com (Robert Cerny) Date: Tue Mar 20 01:38:28 2007 Subject: file sharing painfully slow In-Reply-To: <605EAAB8-297A-45AE-BAA2-8E46B5E8EDC6@colorremedies.com> References: <605EAAB8-297A-45AE-BAA2-8E46B5E8EDC6@colorremedies.com> Message-ID: Does disabling preview of icons on the client change anything? HTH Robert On 20.3.2007, at 3:29, Chris Murphy wrote: > 900 items in a folder, all JPEGs, no custom icons on an G5 XServe, > 2GB RAM, 4TB XRAID dual fiber channel on dedicated T1. Client is > accessing the folder via AFP over a 1.5Mbps DSL connection. > Routinely this takes 4.5 minutes, (during which time the finder is > beachballing, of course), for the client Finder to not only be > available but display the contents of the folder. > > ftp of a 70MB file confirms bandwidth is fine. > > So what's the explanation for this lunacy, and more importantly, > what's the workaround? This is a crazy amount of time to have to > wait for remotely accessing a folder over a reasonable connection. > It's actually faster to use ARD and an ftp program to manage these > files, but that's cumbersome for other reasons. It's almost like > the Finder is asking for the icon status for every single JPEG, but > I'm not sure what the deal is. > > Suggestions? > > > Chris Murphy > Color Remedies (TM) > New York, NY > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Co-author "Real World Color Management, 2nd Ed" > > > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-admin mailing list > MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin From scott_ribe at killerbytes.com Tue Mar 20 10:27:54 2007 From: scott_ribe at killerbytes.com (Scott Ribe) Date: Tue Mar 20 10:28:09 2007 Subject: file sharing painfully slow In-Reply-To: <605EAAB8-297A-45AE-BAA2-8E46B5E8EDC6@colorremedies.com> Message-ID: > It's almost like the Finder > is asking for the icon status for every single JPEG, but I'm not sure > what the deal is. Seems that way to me. It is painful. -- Scott Ribe scott_ribe@killerbytes.com http://www.killerbytes.com/ (303) 722-0567 voice From lists at colorremedies.com Tue Mar 20 10:45:21 2007 From: lists at colorremedies.com (Chris Murphy) Date: Tue Mar 20 10:45:29 2007 Subject: DynamicDNS and OpenWRT, was re: DHCP question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mar 14, 2007, at 5:12 AM, Arfst Braren wrote: > Has anyone experience with DynamicDNS and OpenWRT ? Yeah, I have a linksys router, WRT54G running DD-WRT v23 SP2 (09/15/06) vpn which directly supports (among others) DynDNS.org. So far it hasn't needed to update its IP address because in just over one month Comcast still is assigning the same IP address to the router. But DD-WRT is logging events for updating, indicating it knows its IP address is the same and doesn't need to send an update to DynDNS.org. I suppose I could change the MAC address on the WAN port of the router and then reboot router and modem to get a new IP address, and see how long it takes for DynDNS to update. I'd guess few hours to a day... Chris Murphy Color Remedies (TM) New York, NY ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Co-author "Real World Color Management, 2nd Ed" From lists at colorremedies.com Tue Mar 20 10:53:07 2007 From: lists at colorremedies.com (Chris Murphy) Date: Tue Mar 20 10:53:13 2007 Subject: file sharing painfully slow In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mar 20, 2007, at 1:27 PM, Scott Ribe wrote: >> It's almost like the Finder >> is asking for the icon status for every single JPEG, but I'm not sure >> what the deal is. > > Seems that way to me. It is painful. > Does this seem colossally ridiculous after five major iterations of the OS? I'm not sure which is worse, that it takes almost 5 minutes to receive unimportant and redundant information about a list of files in a directory, or that the Finder is completely unusable while waiting for such data. But certainly both at once creates a really negative user experience. I wonder if sharing this with a protocol that doesn't support icons, such as SMB instead of AFP, would resolve this problem. Or NFS? Chris Murphy Color Remedies (TM) New York, NY ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Co-author "Real World Color Management, 2nd Ed" From lists at colorremedies.com Tue Mar 20 10:53:41 2007 From: lists at colorremedies.com (Chris Murphy) Date: Tue Mar 20 10:53:46 2007 Subject: file sharing painfully slow In-Reply-To: References: <605EAAB8-297A-45AE-BAA2-8E46B5E8EDC6@colorremedies.com> Message-ID: <318D1524-28B5-47F9-BF47-A17CE299CD1A@colorremedies.com> There appears to be no way to do this. Chris Murphy On Mar 20, 2007, at 4:38 AM, Robert Cerny wrote: > Does disabling preview of icons on the client change anything? > > HTH > Robert From lists at colorremedies.com Tue Mar 20 10:54:18 2007 From: lists at colorremedies.com (Chris Murphy) Date: Tue Mar 20 10:54:22 2007 Subject: Migration Assistant and Quicken database? In-Reply-To: <96CAD11C-8656-4C9C-9EB0-CBD55D363B9D@autonomy.caltech.edu> References: <96CAD11C-8656-4C9C-9EB0-CBD55D363B9D@autonomy.caltech.edu> Message-ID: On Mar 7, 2007, at 7:28 PM, Roland Torres wrote: >> >> What??? It's a file. Copy it. > > How? I've tried copying it with the Finder, I've tried using cp, > and I've tried tar, and Quicken rejects the copies, "This is not a > valid Quicken database." I don't know what's so special about the > original DB file, but I was told a few years ago that they use > 'physical block access' or somesuch, which would render a data copy > of it useless. Granted, he's using an older version (Q2004 on > 10.3.9, I think). > > Roland I recently upgraded to Quicken 2007 and it had different instructions for databases coming from different versions of the software. I didn't thoroughly read the instructions for older versions because it didn't apply. I simply opened a copy of the database, and Quicken 2007 updated it. For older versions, you may have to launch the older version and export each account as QIF and then import that into a new Quicken file. It just may not be able to support the database file you're handing off to it. Or it may be corrupt in the view of the new version but not the old. So I'd also have the old version reindex the file before either attempting to migrate the database, or export its contents as QIF. Chris Murphy Color Remedies (TM) New York, NY ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Co-author "Real World Color Management, 2nd Ed" From shoop at iwiring.net Tue Mar 20 11:17:28 2007 From: shoop at iwiring.net (Dan Shoop) Date: Tue Mar 20 11:17:43 2007 Subject: file sharing painfully slow In-Reply-To: <318D1524-28B5-47F9-BF47-A17CE299CD1A@colorremedies.com> References: <605EAAB8-297A-45AE-BAA2-8E46B5E8EDC6@colorremedies.com> <318D1524-28B5-47F9-BF47-A17CE299CD1A@colorremedies.com> Message-ID: At 1:53 PM -0400 3/20/07, Chris Murphy wrote: >There appears to be no way to do this. > >Chris Murphy > > >On Mar 20, 2007, at 4:38 AM, Robert Cerny wrote: > >>Does disabling preview of icons on the client change anything? The little "Show Icon Preview" check box seems to be working on all my Macs, not sure why your Finder would be different than the rest of ours. -- -dhan ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Dan Shoop AIM: iWiring Systems & Networks Architect http://www.ustsvs.com/ shoop@iwiring.net http://www.iwiring.net/ 1-714-363-1174 "The wise man doesn't give the right answers, he poses the right questions." -- Claude Levi-Strauss ------------------------------------------------------------------------ iWiring provides systems and networks support for Mac OS X, unix, and Open Source application technologies at affordable rates. From shoop at iwiring.net Tue Mar 20 11:18:48 2007 From: shoop at iwiring.net (Dan Shoop) Date: Tue Mar 20 11:19:00 2007 Subject: file sharing painfully slow In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 1:53 PM -0400 3/20/07, Chris Murphy wrote: >On Mar 20, 2007, at 1:27 PM, Scott Ribe wrote: > >>>It's almost like the Finder >>>is asking for the icon status for every single JPEG, but I'm not sure >>>what the deal is. >> >>Seems that way to me. It is painful. >> > >Does this seem colossally ridiculous after five major iterations of the OS? No, not at all. It's the way the Finder works and it works fine. If you don't want this behavior, turn it off. >I'm not sure which is worse, that it takes almost 5 minutes to >receive unimportant and redundant information about a list of files >in a directory, or that the Finder is completely unusable while >waiting for such data. But certainly both at once creates a really >negative user experience. > >I wonder if sharing this with a protocol that doesn't support icons, >such as SMB instead of AFP, would resolve this problem. Or NFS? Ummm... all of those would act the same as they all do support the Finder building image previews. It's a Finder thing, not some sort of metadata. I think you aren't understanding the issue here. The Finder is reading each file to build a preview. -- -dhan ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Dan Shoop AIM: iWiring Systems & Networks Architect http://www.ustsvs.com/ shoop@iwiring.net http://www.iwiring.net/ 1-714-363-1174 "The wise man doesn't give the right answers, he poses the right questions." -- Claude Levi-Strauss ------------------------------------------------------------------------ iWiring provides systems and networks support for Mac OS X, unix, and Open Source application technologies at affordable rates. From jfrancis at cca.k12.ia.us Tue Mar 20 11:25:53 2007 From: jfrancis at cca.k12.ia.us (Joe Francis) Date: Tue Mar 20 11:25:58 2007 Subject: DNS Issue Message-ID: We use an external ISP for our email. Because I am behind a firewall, I have set up the DNS on My OS 10.4 server as a .local. I am now experiencing email issues. Internal messages are not all going through. We have 2 variations on our emails, both work with the ISP, but only one is going through for my window users-my mac users seem to be okay. I believe it is a DNS issue. What do I need to do to solve this issue? Joe -- Joe Francis Technology Director Clear Creek Amana Schools 319-430-6822 No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However, a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. From lists at colorremedies.com Tue Mar 20 11:38:56 2007 From: lists at colorremedies.com (Chris Murphy) Date: Tue Mar 20 11:39:00 2007 Subject: file sharing painfully slow In-Reply-To: References: <605EAAB8-297A-45AE-BAA2-8E46B5E8EDC6@colorremedies.com> <318D1524-28B5-47F9-BF47-A17CE299CD1A@colorremedies.com> Message-ID: <8E6B7157-4D0C-4239-B6BB-C4CAC3644690@colorremedies.com> On Mar 20, 2007, at 2:17 PM, Dan Shoop wrote: > At 1:53 PM -0400 3/20/07, Chris Murphy wrote: >> There appears to be no way to do this. >> >> Chris Murphy >> >> >> On Mar 20, 2007, at 4:38 AM, Robert Cerny wrote: >> >>> Does disabling preview of icons on the client change anything? > > The little "Show Icon Preview" check box seems to be working on all > my Macs, not sure why your Finder would be different than the rest > of ours. That option doesn't show up in list view. It only shows up in icon and column views. When connecting to remote servers, my machine always comes up in list view the first time I connect. It never comes up in column or icon view first. Chris Murphy Color Remedies (TM) New York, NY ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Co-author "Real World Color Management, 2nd Ed" From scott_ribe at killerbytes.com Tue Mar 20 11:39:00 2007 From: scott_ribe at killerbytes.com (Scott Ribe) Date: Tue Mar 20 11:39:16 2007 Subject: file sharing painfully slow In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > No, not at all. It's the way the Finder works and it works fine. If > you don't want this behavior, turn it off. ... > Ummm... all of those would act the same as they all do support the > Finder building image previews. It's a Finder thing, not some sort of > metadata. I think you aren't understanding the issue here. The Finder > is reading each file to build a preview. This is not about previews. We're just talking about plain old icons, based on file type and/or creator, not even per-file custom icons. And in a directory where every file has the exact same type, creator, and extension. The Finder is *INCREDIBLY* slow over WAN links in this case. I can't even imagine trying to use previews... -- Scott Ribe scott_ribe@killerbytes.com http://www.killerbytes.com/ (303) 722-0567 voice From lists at colorremedies.com Tue Mar 20 12:43:50 2007 From: lists at colorremedies.com (Chris Murphy) Date: Tue Mar 20 12:43:54 2007 Subject: file sharing painfully slow In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9DCEAA9E-32BF-4A5C-8C8B-D29D7917BF18@colorremedies.com> On Mar 20, 2007, at 2:18 PM, Dan Shoop wrote: > > No, not at all. It's the way the Finder works and it works fine. If > you don't want this behavior, turn it off. It can't be turned off, I said that before. > Ummm... all of those would act the same as they all do support the > Finder building image previews. It's a Finder thing, not some sort > of metadata. I think you aren't understanding the issue here. The > Finder is reading each file to build a preview. It's not about image previews. This is in list view. There are no previews in list view. Chris Murphy Color Remedies (TM) New York, NY ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Co-author "Real World Color Management, 2nd Ed" From shoop at iwiring.net Tue Mar 20 12:56:02 2007 From: shoop at iwiring.net (Dan Shoop) Date: Tue Mar 20 12:56:15 2007 Subject: DNS Issue In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 1:25 PM -0500 3/20/07, Joe Francis wrote: >We use an external ISP for our email. Because I am behind a firewall, I have >set up the DNS on My OS 10.4 server as a .local. That's a bad idea. .local is for Bonjour. It does it's own "DNS-like" thing. You've now foobared this. >I am now experiencing email issues. Yep. > Internal messages are not all going >through. We have 2 variations on our emails, both work with the ISP, but >only one is going through for my window users-my mac users seem to be okay. >I believe it is a DNS issue. >What do I need to do to solve this issue? Fix your DNS. Don't use .local in DNS. -- -dhan ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Dan Shoop AIM: iWiring Systems & Networks Architect http://www.ustsvs.com/ shoop@iwiring.net http://www.iwiring.net/ 1-714-363-1174 "The wise man doesn't give the right answers, he poses the right questions." -- Claude Levi-Strauss ------------------------------------------------------------------------ iWiring provides systems and networks support for Mac OS X, unix, and Open Source application technologies at affordable rates. From shoop at iwiring.net Tue Mar 20 12:59:16 2007 From: shoop at iwiring.net (Dan Shoop) Date: Tue Mar 20 12:59:29 2007 Subject: file sharing painfully slow In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 12:39 PM -0600 3/20/07, Scott Ribe wrote: > > No, not at all. It's the way the Finder works and it works fine. If >> you don't want this behavior, turn it off. > >... > >> Ummm... all of those would act the same as they all do support the >> Finder building image previews. It's a Finder thing, not some sort of >> metadata. I think you aren't understanding the issue here. The Finder >> is reading each file to build a preview. > >This is not about previews. We're just talking about plain old icons, based >on file type and/or creator, not even per-file custom icons. And in a >directory where every file has the exact same type, creator, and extension. >The Finder is *INCREDIBLY* slow over WAN links in this case. I can't even >imagine trying to use previews... In that case you're complaining about just the stat that's done. That too is transferred file by file so 900 files is a lot to stat through. But it's well known not to keep large numbers of files in directories on Macs for these reasons... -- -dhan ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Dan Shoop AIM: iWiring Systems & Networks Architect http://www.ustsvs.com/ shoop@iwiring.net http://www.iwiring.net/ 1-714-363-1174 "The wise man doesn't give the right answers, he poses the right questions." -- Claude Levi-Strauss ------------------------------------------------------------------------ iWiring provides systems and networks support for Mac OS X, unix, and Open Source application technologies at affordable rates. From jfrancis at cca.k12.ia.us Tue Mar 20 13:01:18 2007 From: jfrancis at cca.k12.ia.us (Joe Francis) Date: Tue Mar 20 13:01:23 2007 Subject: DNS Issue In-Reply-To: Message-ID: So what I need to do is simply go into the DNS settings in the Server Admin and delete the .local and all should be well in the world? On 3/20/07 2:56 PM, "Dan Shoop" wrote: > At 1:25 PM -0500 3/20/07, Joe Francis wrote: >> We use an external ISP for our email. Because I am behind a firewall, I have >> set up the DNS on My OS 10.4 server as a .local. > > That's a bad idea. .local is for Bonjour. It does it's own "DNS-like" > thing. You've now foobared this. > >> I am now experiencing email issues. > > Yep. > >> Internal messages are not all going >> through. We have 2 variations on our emails, both work with the ISP, but >> only one is going through for my window users-my mac users seem to be okay. >> I believe it is a DNS issue. >> What do I need to do to solve this issue? > > Fix your DNS. Don't use .local in DNS. -- Joe Francis Technology Director Clear Creek Amana Schools 319-430-6822 No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However, a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. From lists at colorremedies.com Tue Mar 20 13:02:40 2007 From: lists at colorremedies.com (Chris Murphy) Date: Tue Mar 20 13:02:48 2007 Subject: file sharing painfully slow In-Reply-To: References: <605EAAB8-297A-45AE-BAA2-8E46B5E8EDC6@colorremedies.com> <318D1524-28B5-47F9-BF47-A17CE299CD1A@colorremedies.com> Message-ID: <8DA91129-74CD-49F3-9C5D-A75DDB260D9E@colorremedies.com> It's clearly about icons, even though they're just generic ones. If I change to column view, and then uncheck "Show icons" the problem is resolved. However, I don't have the ability to sort by the 200 most recent images, or sort by labels, or really do much of anything in this folder. So column view isn't an option because it's castrated. List view is what I need, and there's no option to turn off icons in this view, so they're always on, and the Finder will always try to get this data. Here's my thought: Since the generic icon is determined by the system hosting the files, my Finder is asking that system for each files, and the remote system is sending a 128px * 128px * 4 channels, that's 64KB of data per image redundantly being downloaded. That is high order sabotage to do this. What a bad bad idea. And that's consistent with the bandwidth available and the amount of time it's taking for the list view to load in and for the Finder to recover. It's just craziness to defend this behavior. It does not at all "work fine." I will bet this is one of the reasons why iDisk connections hang up the Finder, as it's trying to grab a bunch of file icons unnecessarily. This is so ridiculous at this stage it's camp. My god Apple... Chris Murphy Color Remedies (TM) New York, NY ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Co-author "Real World Color Management, 2nd Ed" From lists at colorremedies.com Tue Mar 20 13:14:44 2007 From: lists at colorremedies.com (Chris Murphy) Date: Tue Mar 20 13:14:48 2007 Subject: file sharing painfully slow In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <271CE5DD-C151-41B1-AB4E-F15C0D87565A@colorremedies.com> On Mar 20, 2007, at 3:59 PM, Dan Shoop wrote: > In that case you're complaining about just the stat that's done. > That too is transferred file by file so 900 files is a lot to stat > through. > > But it's well known not to keep large numbers of files in > directories on Macs for these reasons... That's a complete b.s. suggestion. It could only be "well known" because the Finder handling a simple task in a very stupid manner. There is no HFS+ limitation to the number of files or folders within a folder (root level yes), and 900 items doesn't even remotely approach the level of what's unreasonable EXCEPT in this context because the Finder is clearly so poorly behaved. I do not have these kinds of performance problems in the same situation using Windows and that's just embarrassing. The amount of file metadata is nothing in comparison to sending a 128x128 pixel icon redundantly for every cotton picking image. Chris Murphy Color Remedies (TM) New York, NY ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Co-author "Real World Color Management, 2nd Ed" From nigel at cofa.unsw.edu.au Tue Mar 20 13:29:13 2007 From: nigel at cofa.unsw.edu.au (Nigel Kersten) Date: Tue Mar 20 13:29:28 2007 Subject: file sharing painfully slow In-Reply-To: <271CE5DD-C151-41B1-AB4E-F15C0D87565A@colorremedies.com> References: <271CE5DD-C151-41B1-AB4E-F15C0D87565A@colorremedies.com> Message-ID: On 21/03/2007, at 7:14 AM, Chris Murphy wrote: > That's a complete b.s. suggestion. It could only be "well known" > because the Finder handling a simple task in a very stupid manner. > There is no HFS+ limitation to the number of files or folders > within a folder (root level yes), and 900 items doesn't even > remotely approach the level of what's unreasonable EXCEPT in this > context because the Finder is clearly so poorly behaved. I do not > have these kinds of performance problems in the same situation > using Windows and that's just embarrassing. > > The amount of file metadata is nothing in comparison to sending a > 128x128 pixel icon redundantly for every cotton picking image. It's not just the Finder. The OS X Server AFP server is a bit dumb about this as well. Have a look at Extreme-Z-IP and the recent MacEnteprise.org webcast on it. GroupLogic have done some work to reduce the absurd amount of statting that goes on. -- Nigel Kersten http://explanatorygap.net From andyring at inebraska.com Tue Mar 20 13:08:16 2007 From: andyring at inebraska.com (Andy Ringsmuth) Date: Tue Mar 20 13:30:44 2007 Subject: file sharing painfully slow In-Reply-To: <8DA91129-74CD-49F3-9C5D-A75DDB260D9E@colorremedies.com> References: <605EAAB8-297A-45AE-BAA2-8E46B5E8EDC6@colorremedies.com> <318D1524-28B5-47F9-BF47-A17CE299CD1A@colorremedies.com> <8DA91129-74CD-49F3-9C5D-A75DDB260D9E@colorremedies.com> Message-ID: <18FE49C8-8BC2-4DC4-A755-44D355DEA014@inebraska.com> > Since the generic icon is determined by the system hosting the > files, my Finder is asking that system for each files, and the > remote system is sending a 128px * 128px * 4 channels, that's 64KB > of data per image redundantly being downloaded. That is high order > sabotage to do this. What a bad bad idea. And that's consistent > with the bandwidth available and the amount of time it's taking for > the list view to load in and for the Finder to recover. > > It's just craziness to defend this behavior. It does not at all > "work fine." > > I will bet this is one of the reasons why iDisk connections hang up > the Finder, as it's trying to grab a bunch of file icons > unnecessarily. This is so ridiculous at this stage it's camp. My > god Apple... I've always thought Apple should have a preference somewhere like "disable custom icons on network disks." That way one could simply check a little box, perhaps in Finder Preferences, and then it'd be so much faster on remote connections. I'm frustrated with this at times too, such as when I connect to my office server from home or from a hotel room. PAINFULLY slow. I think Apple doesn't realize that just because Steve Wozniak had a T1 line in his home when most people had 2400bps modems doesn't mean we all have bandwidth up the wazoo. -Andy From shoop at iwiring.net Tue Mar 20 13:47:39 2007 From: shoop at iwiring.net (Dan Shoop) Date: Tue Mar 20 13:47:47 2007 Subject: DNS Issue In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 3:01 PM -0500 3/20/07, Joe Francis wrote: >So what I need to do is simply go into the DNS settings in the Server Admin >and delete the .local and all should be well in the world? > > > >On 3/20/07 2:56 PM, "Dan Shoop" wrote: > >> At 1:25 PM -0500 3/20/07, Joe Francis wrote: >>> We use an external ISP for our email. Because I am behind a >>>firewall, I have >>> set up the DNS on My OS 10.4 server as a .local. >> >> That's a bad idea. .local is for Bonjour. It does it's own "DNS-like" >> thing. You've now foobared this. >> >>> I am now experiencing email issues. >> >> Yep. >> >>> Internal messages are not all going >>> through. We have 2 variations on our emails, both work with the ISP, but >>> only one is going through for my window users-my mac users seem to be okay. >>> I believe it is a DNS issue. >>> What do I need to do to solve this issue? >> > > Fix your DNS. Don't use .local in DNS. Well it's not very clear wht you're trying to do or why you took this route to begin with or what had done, so it's all rather hard to say. -- -dhan ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Dan Shoop AIM: iWiring Systems & Networks Architect http://www.ustsvs.com/ shoop@iwiring.net http://www.iwiring.net/ 1-714-363-1174 "The wise man doesn't give the right answers, he poses the right questions." -- Claude Levi-Strauss ------------------------------------------------------------------------ iWiring provides systems and networks support for Mac OS X, unix, and Open Source application technologies at affordable rates. From shoop at iwiring.net Tue Mar 20 13:49:18 2007 From: shoop at iwiring.net (Dan Shoop) Date: Tue Mar 20 13:49:39 2007 Subject: file sharing painfully slow In-Reply-To: <8DA91129-74CD-49F3-9C5D-A75DDB260D9E@colorremedies.com> References: <605EAAB8-297A-45AE-BAA2-8E46B5E8EDC6@colorremedies.com> <318D1524-28B5-47F9-BF47-A17CE299CD1A@colorremedies.com> <8DA91129-74CD-49F3-9C5D-A75DDB260D9E@colorremedies.com> Message-ID: At 4:02 PM -0400 3/20/07, Chris Murphy wrote: >It's clearly about icons, even though they're just generic ones. If >I change to column view, and then uncheck "Show icons" the problem >is resolved. > >However, I don't have the ability to sort by the 200 most recent >images, or sort by labels, or really do much of anything in this >folder. So column view isn't an option because it's castrated. Which is why a shell and ls/find/sort is such a better method for doing such things. RBrowser using ssh is also a great visual tool. -- -dhan ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Dan Shoop AIM: iWiring Systems & Networks Architect http://www.ustsvs.com/ shoop@iwiring.net http://www.iwiring.net/ 1-714-363-1174 "The wise man doesn't give the right answers, he poses the right questions." -- Claude Levi-Strauss ------------------------------------------------------------------------ iWiring provides systems and networks support for Mac OS X, unix, and Open Source application technologies at affordable rates. From shoop at iwiring.net Tue Mar 20 13:51:38 2007 From: shoop at iwiring.net (Dan Shoop) Date: Tue Mar 20 13:51:48 2007 Subject: file sharing painfully slow In-Reply-To: <271CE5DD-C151-41B1-AB4E-F15C0D87565A@colorremedies.com> References: <271CE5DD-C151-41B1-AB4E-F15C0D87565A@colorremedies.com> Message-ID: At 4:14 PM -0400 3/20/07, Chris Murphy wrote: >On Mar 20, 2007, at 3:59 PM, Dan Shoop wrote: > >>In that case you're complaining about just the stat that's done. >>That too is transferred file by file so 900 files is a lot to stat >>through. >> >>But it's well known not to keep large numbers of files in >>directories on Macs for these reasons... > >That's a complete b.s. suggestion. It could only be "well known" >because the Finder handling a simple task in a very stupid manner. >There is no HFS+ limitation to the number of files or folders within >a folder (root level yes), and 900 items doesn't even remotely >approach the level of what's unreasonable EXCEPT in this context >because the Finder is clearly so poorly behaved. I do not have these >kinds of performance problems in the same situation using Windows >and that's just embarrassing. Well Windows is embarrassingly dumb wrt file browsing. So saying that a dumb something is better than a smart one that wants some info to bring those smarts is complaining about getting the extra cream in your coffee. >The amount of file metadata is nothing in comparison to sending a >128x128 pixel icon redundantly for every cotton picking image. It's not. -- -dhan ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Dan Shoop AIM: iWiring Systems & Networks Architect http://www.ustsvs.com/ shoop@iwiring.net http://www.iwiring.net/ 1-714-363-1174 "The wise man doesn't give the right answers, he poses the right questions." -- Claude Levi-Strauss ------------------------------------------------------------------------ iWiring provides systems and networks support for Mac OS X, unix, and Open Source application technologies at affordable rates. From lists at colorremedies.com Tue Mar 20 13:56:20 2007 From: lists at colorremedies.com (Chris Murphy) Date: Tue Mar 20 13:56:25 2007 Subject: file sharing painfully slow In-Reply-To: References: <605EAAB8-297A-45AE-BAA2-8E46B5E8EDC6@colorremedies.com> <318D1524-28B5-47F9-BF47-A17CE299CD1A@colorremedies.com> <8DA91129-74CD-49F3-9C5D-A75DDB260D9E@colorremedies.com> Message-ID: On Mar 20, 2007, at 4:49 PM, Dan Shoop wrote: > At 4:02 PM -0400 3/20/07, Chris Murphy wrote: >> It's clearly about icons, even though they're just generic ones. >> If I change to column view, and then uncheck "Show icons" the >> problem is resolved. >> >> However, I don't have the ability to sort by the 200 most recent >> images, or sort by labels, or really do much of anything in this >> folder. So column view isn't an option because it's castrated. > > Which is why a shell and ls/find/sort is such a better method for > doing such things. > > RBrowser using ssh is also a great visual tool. Ergo the Finder doesn't work and doesn't work well. Jesus... 10MB of unnecessary and redundant data and you can't turn it off. This is bad design. It's a fundamentally broken workflow for professional photographers trying to do any kind of remote sorting from the field, and I'm sure many other people. Chris Murphy From larkost at softhome.net Tue Mar 20 13:56:50 2007 From: larkost at softhome.net (Karl Kuehn) Date: Tue Mar 20 13:57:15 2007 Subject: file sharing painfully slow In-Reply-To: <18FE49C8-8BC2-4DC4-A755-44D355DEA014@inebraska.com> References: <605EAAB8-297A-45AE-BAA2-8E46B5E8EDC6@colorremedies.com> <318D1524-28B5-47F9-BF47-A17CE299CD1A@colorremedies.com> <8DA91129-74CD-49F3-9C5D-A75DDB260D9E@colorremedies.com> <18FE49C8-8BC2-4DC4-A755-44D355DEA014@inebraska.com> Message-ID: <737975C0-8B4C-4B28-996E-BE353CF46B5E@softhome.net> On Mar 20, 2007, at 4:08 PM, Andy Ringsmuth wrote: > I've always thought Apple should have a preference somewhere like > "disable custom icons on network disks." That way one could simply > check a little box, perhaps in Finder Preferences, and then it'd be > so much faster on remote connections. > > I'm frustrated with this at times too, such as when I connect to my > office server from home or from a hotel room. PAINFULLY slow. I > think Apple doesn't realize that just because Steve Wozniak had a > T1 line in his home when most people had 2400bps modems doesn't > mean we all have bandwidth up the wazoo. I have requested things like this before. And it is not just a bandwidth thing, I think it is more of a latency thing. I occasionally use a AFP server that is halfway across the country, but we are both sitting on top (literally) of Internet2 connections, so bandwidth is not an issue. Even then it feels slow, which tells me that it is more of a serial latency issue. Sometimes I will navigate to where I want with command-line utilities, and then use a "open ." command to get there in the finder. Now, it should be mentioned that we Mac users are somewhat fortunate that AFP has proven to be good-enough for cross-internet ad-hock file sharing connections. No one ever talks about using SMB/CIFS for that sort of thing (without some sort of VPN doing most of the work), and the thought of using NFS for this sort of thing makes my head hurt. The only really good competitor that I am aware of is AFP (Andrew File Protocol), and that comes with its own baggage. Lets hope that while Apple was in there adding the code for **NDA BLOCKOUT** in 10.5 that they improved AFP's high latency performance as well... *grin* -- Karl Kuehn larkost@softhome.net From lists at colorremedies.com Tue Mar 20 14:02:54 2007 From: lists at colorremedies.com (Chris Murphy) Date: Tue Mar 20 14:02:59 2007 Subject: file sharing painfully slow In-Reply-To: References: <271CE5DD-C151-41B1-AB4E-F15C0D87565A@colorremedies.com> Message-ID: <7AE71F9C-30E8-481D-8156-91F2B4B7C51A@colorremedies.com> On Mar 20, 2007, at 4:51 PM, Dan Shoop wrote: > Well Windows is embarrassingly dumb wrt file browsing. So saying > that a dumb something is better than a smart one that wants some > info to bring those smarts is complaining about getting the extra > cream in your coffee. IT may be dumb, but I'm getting the information I need to do what I want, and none of the silly redundant and unnecessary information I don't. Plus, your analogy fails to withstand scrutiny. Your assumption is that cream is a good thing, and more cream is inherently better. Extra cream vs. too little cream, in either case it's the wrong amount. I need to do something that should take all of 30 seconds, yet I have to wait almost 5 minutes with a beachballing Finder. It's indefensible and your position is just totally untenable, Dan. I no longer have coffee with some cream. I have a pint of cream with an ounce of coffee in it. It's completely the wrong order and saying it's working correctly is just patently absurd. > It's not. By all means feel free to compute the amount for 900 images. I seriously doubt it approaches anywhere near 10MB. 99% of which did not need to be sent and serves no useful purpose as compared to date, size and label. Chris Murphy Color Remedies (TM) New York, NY ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Co-author "Real World Color Management, 2nd Ed" From huntc at internode.on.net Tue Mar 20 16:16:11 2007 From: huntc at internode.on.net (Christopher Hunt) Date: Tue Mar 20 16:16:23 2007 Subject: Display colorsync profile remains unapplied? Message-ID: Hi there, I have a remote CPU that is driving two projectors. Each projector is connected via DVI and they are in a mirror configuration. Both projectors have been assigned a Generic RGB profile given that the colours generally look brighter than as per the projector's Colorsync profile. However... one projector remains brighter than the other and it looks as though the Generic RGB Colorsync profile has been applied to it but not the other. Here's what I have done so far: 1. Ensured that the Generic RGB profile has been applied to both displays via the System Prefs app and the ColorSync utility. 2. Selected other profiles prior to selecting the Generic RGB one to ensure that the la