From shoop at iwiring.net Mon Jun 4 10:01:49 2007 From: shoop at iwiring.net (Dan Shoop) Date: Mon Jun 4 10:02:24 2007 Subject: NIS broken on 10.4.9? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 11:55 AM -0500 5/30/07, John C. Welch wrote: >On 5/30/07 11:27, "Bill Janssen" wrote: > >> I see that the Bresink document now says that 10.4.9 is so riddled >> with startup inconsistencies and flaws, that it doesn't make sense to >> use NIS with it. He chiefly seems to be talking about the use of >> remote NIS login accounts, though. >> >> http://www.bresink.de/osx/nis.html#BugsTiger >> >> Any solution to these problems in sight? > >For NIS? I can't see Apple putting a ton of time into it, anymore than >they'd bring back the full AppleTalk suite. Not even Sun is investing much time in NIS, nor have they for the last 10 years. ;) -- -dhan ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Dan Shoop AIM: iWiring Systems & Networks Architect http://www.ustsvs.com/ shoop@iwiring.net http://www.iwiring.net/ 1-714-363-1174 From noam at maccentricsolutions.com Wed Jun 6 01:12:53 2007 From: noam at maccentricsolutions.com (Noam Birnbaum) Date: Wed Jun 6 01:13:32 2007 Subject: job posting: Mac Help Desk Support Specialist / Consultant-in-Training Message-ID: Our company is looking for a help desk Mac-head. If you know =20 anybody, please pass it along! Thanks, noam Noam Birnbaum President http://www.maccentricsolutions.com/ 877.luv.macs x89 =F0 Apple Certified Technical Coordinator =F0 Apple Certified Help Desk Specialist =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D MACINTOSH HELP DESK SUPPORT SPECIALIST / CONSULTANT-IN-TRAINING QUIZ: IS THIS THE JOB FOR ME? 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From airdrummer at wheel.org Wed Jun 6 17:00:22 2007 From: airdrummer at wheel.org (tom wible) Date: Wed Jun 6 18:01:01 2007 Subject: nfs mount masking firewire drive In-Reply-To: References: <07May26.143908pdt."57996"@synergy1.parc.xerox.com> <3BFD467A-9448-4E63-87F3-5E7C0E25D7C3@kreme.com> <07May28.162903pdt."57996"@synergy1.parc.xerox.com> Message-ID: <46674A96.30108@wheel.org> i had been running into problems using my linux nfs mount for my elgato eyetv archive (i also run a webserver on the linux box, & i suspected ethernet issues) so i got a firewire hdd to plug into my minimacduo. i copied the archive from the nfs mount to the f/w drive, and eyetv was happy. unfortunately, the applescript i wrote to parse the xml info files to display on a webpage broke:-( my nfs mount nfs://linuxbox/DVR has the same name as the hfs mount, but that's not a problem to darwin: /Volumes/DVR # the hfs firewire hdd /Volumes/linuxbox/DVR # obviously but my applescript goes from posix path to hfs: set recDir to "/Volumes/DVR/recordings/" -- my firewire drive, stored as posixpath in VirtualDVHS.app's plist set tvpiFile to "China From the Inside_Jan_17_2007__11_59_26-1_PM.m2t.tvpi" -- do shell script "ls " & quoted form of (recDir & tvpiFile) set tvpiFile to (POSIX file recDir & tvpiFile) set xmlFile to tvpiFile as Unicode text log xmlFile >>applescript eventlog: >> (*DVR:recordings:China From the Inside_Jan_17_2007__11_59_26-1_PM.m2t.tvpi*) tell application "System Events" set theXML to contents of XML file xmlFile >>asel: >> get contents of XML file "DVR:recordings:China From the Inside_Jan_17_2007__11_59_26-1_PM.m2t.tvpi" >> "System Events got an error: NSReceiverEvaluationScriptError: 4" changing recDir to "/Volumes/linuxbox/DVR/recordings/" results in and hfs path of DVR:recordings:China From the... oops! when i eject the nfs mount, my applescript is happy, so obviously the finder's hiding of the posix path can't cope with the ambiguity:-( From shoop at iwiring.net Thu Jun 7 08:06:11 2007 From: shoop at iwiring.net (Dan Shoop) Date: Thu Jun 7 08:06:45 2007 Subject: nfs mount masking firewire drive In-Reply-To: <46674A96.30108@wheel.org> References: <07May26.143908pdt."57996"@synergy1.parc.xerox.com> <3BFD467A-9448-4E63-87F3-5E7C0E25D7C3@kreme.com> <07May28.162903pdt."57996"@synergy1.parc.xerox.com> <46674A96.30108@wheel.org> Message-ID: At 8:00 PM -0400 6/6/07, tom wible wrote: >i had been running into problems using my linux nfs mount for my >elgato eyetv archive (i also run a webserver on the linux box, & i >suspected ethernet issues) so i got a firewire hdd to plug into my >minimacduo. > >i copied the archive from the nfs mount to the f/w drive, and eyetv >was happy. unfortunately, the applescript i wrote to parse the xml >info files to display on a webpage broke:-( > >my nfs mount nfs://linuxbox/DVR has the same name as the hfs mount, >but that's not a problem to darwin: > >/Volumes/DVR # the hfs firewire hdd >/Volumes/linuxbox/DVR # obviously > >but my applescript goes from posix path to hfs: > >set recDir to "/Volumes/DVR/recordings/" -- my firewire drive, >stored as posixpath in VirtualDVHS.app's plist >set tvpiFile to "China From the Inside_Jan_17_2007__11_59_26-1_PM.m2t.tvpi" -- >do shell script "ls " & quoted form of (recDir & tvpiFile) >set tvpiFile to (POSIX file recDir & tvpiFile) >set xmlFile to tvpiFile as Unicode text >log xmlFile > >>>applescript eventlog: >>> (*DVR:recordings:China From the >Inside_Jan_17_2007__11_59_26-1_PM.m2t.tvpi*) > >tell application "System Events" > set theXML to contents of XML file xmlFile > >>>asel: >>> get contents of XML file "DVR:recordings:China From the >>>Inside_Jan_17_2007__11_59_26-1_PM.m2t.tvpi" >>> "System Events got an error: >>>NSReceiverEvaluationScriptError: 4" > >changing recDir to > "/Volumes/linuxbox/DVR/recordings/" >results in and hfs path of > DVR:recordings:China From the... > >oops! when i eject the nfs mount, my applescript is happy, so >obviously the finder's hiding of the posix path can't cope with the >ambiguity:-( Was there a question here somewhere? As for Classical style file paths it's always been Volume:folder:folder:file. Sure you don't have a "DVR 1" somewhere? -- -dhan ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Dan Shoop AIM: iWiring Systems & Networks Architect http://www.ustsvs.com/ shoop@iwiring.net http://www.iwiring.net/ 1-714-363-1174 From airdrummer at wheel.org Thu Jun 7 15:19:33 2007 From: airdrummer at wheel.org (tom wible) Date: Thu Jun 7 15:20:09 2007 Subject: nfs mount masking firewire drive In-Reply-To: References: <07May26.143908pdt."57996"@synergy1.parc.xerox.com> <3BFD467A-9448-4E63-87F3-5E7C0E25D7C3@kreme.com> <07May28.162903pdt."57996"@synergy1.parc.xerox.com> <46674A96.30108@wheel.org> Message-ID: <46688475.9030609@wheel.org> >> obviously the finder's hiding of the posix path can't cope with the >> ambiguity:-( i meant to say: _creates_ the ambiguity... > Was there a question here somewhere? no;-) > As for Classical style file paths it's always been > Volume:folder:folder:file. the problem is both /Volumes/linuxbox/DVR _and_ /Volumes/DVR map to DVR: > Sure you don't have a "DVR 1" somewhere? yes From shoop at iwiring.net Fri Jun 8 11:14:55 2007 From: shoop at iwiring.net (Dan Shoop) Date: Fri Jun 8 11:15:34 2007 Subject: nfs mount masking firewire drive In-Reply-To: <46688475.9030609@wheel.org> References: <07May26.143908pdt."57996"@synergy1.parc.xerox.com> <3BFD467A-9448-4E63-87F3-5E7C0E25D7C3@kreme.com> <07May28.162903pdt."57996"@synergy1.parc.xerox.com> <46674A96.30108@wheel.org> <46688475.9030609@wheel.org> Message-ID: At 6:19 PM -0400 6/7/07, tom wible wrote: >>>obviously the finder's hiding of the posix path can't cope with >>>the ambiguity:-( > >i meant to say: _creates_ the ambiguity... > >>Was there a question here somewhere? > >no;-) > >>As for Classical style file paths it's always been Volume:folder:folder:file. > >the problem is both /Volumes/linuxbox/DVR _and_ /Volumes/DVR map to DVR: I don't think it should be. >>Sure you don't have a "DVR 1" somewhere? >yes I believe you should. File a rdar. -- -dhan ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Dan Shoop AIM: iWiring Systems & Networks Architect http://www.ustsvs.com/ shoop@iwiring.net http://www.iwiring.net/ 1-714-363-1174 From shoop at iwiring.net Fri Jun 8 18:54:48 2007 From: shoop at iwiring.net (Dan Shoop) Date: Fri Jun 8 18:55:06 2007 Subject: nfs mount masking firewire drive In-Reply-To: <46674A96.30108@wheel.org> References: <07May26.143908pdt."57996"@synergy1.parc.xerox.com> <3BFD467A-9448-4E63-87F3-5E7C0E25D7C3@kreme.com> <07May28.162903pdt."57996"@synergy1.parc.xerox.com> <46674A96.30108@wheel.org> Message-ID: I must say that cross-posting has always been a stupipd idea but you have taken the cake by cross-threading to a support email address. -- -dhan ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Dan Shoop AIM: iWiring Systems & Networks Architect http://www.ustsvs.com/ shoop@iwiring.net http://www.iwiring.net/ 1-714-363-1174 From airdrummer at wheel.org Sun Jun 10 18:20:45 2007 From: airdrummer at wheel.org (tom wible) Date: Sun Jun 10 18:21:17 2007 Subject: nfs mount masking firewire drive In-Reply-To: References: <07May26.143908pdt."57996"@synergy1.parc.xerox.com> <3BFD467A-9448-4E63-87F3-5E7C0E25D7C3@kreme.com> <07May28.162903pdt."57996"@synergy1.parc.xerox.com> <46674A96.30108@wheel.org> Message-ID: <466CA36D.4050901@wheel.org> thanx, danstupipd, i like cake:-) From Shawn.Connelly at itsservices.com Wed Jun 13 10:07:12 2007 From: Shawn.Connelly at itsservices.com (Shawn Connelly) Date: Wed Jun 13 10:20:27 2007 Subject: MAC OS X tiger help for a Windows technician Message-ID: <7B4618BCCB8FAE45BDC6DF4D79F840DB05FBBD@its-ex01.its.itsservices.com> First off let me start off by saying the last experience in depth I ave had with a MAC was back when the screen were all still black and white! I would appreciate the help that any one of you guys and gals could give me because I am at a complete loss right now. (gulp.....as I swallow my pride) I work for a company that is all Windows based machines expect three brand new MAC G5's with dual nvidia graphics cards, 4gb of ram and dual processors. Yes even from a windows techs prospective these babies rock the house with graphics and video rendering. I have two concerns that I have to resolve tomorrow. One of the machines has a new user who created herself a new account. She is unable to install use certain fonts. Yet if she logs in with the previouse employees ID she can use those fonts. I do know however that both accounts are administrators on the machine. Issue number two is the same machine freezes regardless of what account you use if you try to print from withing firefox or safari (like off a web page) yet if you are within photoshop or any other program the machine prints fine. On the other machine I need to be able to give administrator rights to a new user. If the user does not know the old employees account details is there a way to access a default ( if there is one on MACS) account on the machine so I can edit the users rights? Thanks to anyone who can help. Shawn Connelly From dez at mac.com Wed Jun 13 10:45:59 2007 From: dez at mac.com (Derek Chesterfield) Date: Wed Jun 13 10:46:30 2007 Subject: MAC OS X tiger help for a Windows technician In-Reply-To: <7B4618BCCB8FAE45BDC6DF4D79F840DB05FBBD@its-ex01.its.itsservices.com> References: <7B4618BCCB8FAE45BDC6DF4D79F840DB05FBBD@its-ex01.its.itsservices.com> Message-ID: <3AA6BF23-B237-414E-B861-3BCB699FDCE9@mac.com> I don't know about the other issues, but for this one you need to boot the Mac from an Tiger DVD. Insert the DVD, and hold down the C key while booting to force it to boot off the optical drive. When the installer displays, from the menu bar the should be an option about resetting the admin password [can remember exact text]. Choose that. Then you will be presented with a list of IDs to choose, and you can reset that account's password. On 13 Jun 2007, at 18:07, Shawn Connelly wrote: > On the other machine I need to be able to give administrator rights > to a > new user. If the user does not know the old employees account > details is > there a way to access a default ( if there is one on MACS) account on > the machine so I can edit the users rights? From henry at martintechs.com Wed Jun 13 11:06:21 2007 From: henry at martintechs.com (Henry Martin) Date: Wed Jun 13 12:06:27 2007 Subject: MAC OS X tiger help for a Windows technician In-Reply-To: <7B4618BCCB8FAE45BDC6DF4D79F840DB05FBBD@its-ex01.its.itsservices.com> References: <7B4618BCCB8FAE45BDC6DF4D79F840DB05FBBD@its-ex01.its.itsservices.com> Message-ID: <43417d600cb05c9dc61fe55371f31050@martintechs.com> On Jun 13, 2007, at 12:07 PM, Shawn Connelly wrote: > First off let me start off by saying the last experience in depth I ave > had with a MAC was back when the screen were all still black and white! > > I work for a company that is all Windows based machines expect three > brand new MAC G5's with dual nvidia graphics cards, 4gb of ram and dual > processors. Yes even from a windows techs prospective these babies rock > the house with graphics and video rendering. that is progress > One of the machines > has a new user who created herself a new account. She is unable to > install use certain fonts. Yet if she logs in with the previouse > employees ID she can use those fonts. That would suggest the fonts are located in /Users/old user/Library/Fonts. Either move them to /Users/old user/Library/Fonts ( in which case only the new user login will allow access ) or to /Library/Fonts from which all users have access. Henry Martin From shoop at iwiring.net Wed Jun 13 13:02:13 2007 From: shoop at iwiring.net (Dan Shoop) Date: Wed Jun 13 13:02:25 2007 Subject: MAC OS X tiger help for a Windows technician In-Reply-To: <7B4618BCCB8FAE45BDC6DF4D79F840DB05FBBD@its-ex01.its.itsservices.com> References: <7B4618BCCB8FAE45BDC6DF4D79F840DB05FBBD@its-ex01.its.itsservices.com> Message-ID: At 1:07 PM -0400 6/13/07, Shawn Connelly wrote: >First off let me start off by saying the last experience in depth I ave >had with a MAC was back when the screen were all still black and white! First, that's a Macintosh, or "MAc" for short. MAC is a networking term ;) >I would appreciate the help that any one of you guys and gals could give >me because I am at a complete loss right now. (gulp.....as I swallow my >pride) So why not read the docs, pick up any of the numerous books, or... OK I guess that's too much to ask. >I have two concerns that I have to resolve tomorrow. One of the machines >has a new user who created herself a new account. She is unable to >install use certain fonts. How did she try installing them? > Yet if she logs in with the previouse >employees ID she can use those fonts. I do know however that both >accounts are administrators on the machine. OK, so perhaps the previous user has those fonts installed into her fonts directory, where they work. >Issue number two is the same machine freezes regardless of what account >you use if you try to print from withing firefox or safari (like off a >web page) yet if you are within photoshop or any other program the >machine prints fine. So you reinstalled these applications? >On the other machine I need to be able to give administrator rights to a >new user. If the user does not know the old employees account details is >there a way to access a default ( if there is one on MACS) account on >the machine so I can edit the users rights? Enable root, and login as root. Read the docs for how to do this. -- -dhan ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Dan Shoop AIM: iWiring Systems & Networks Architect http://www.ustsvs.com/ shoop@iwiring.net http://www.iwiring.net/ 1-714-363-1174 From larkost at softhome.net Wed Jun 13 13:38:22 2007 From: larkost at softhome.net (Karl Kuehn) Date: Wed Jun 13 13:40:13 2007 Subject: MAC OS X tiger help for a Windows technician In-Reply-To: References: <7B4618BCCB8FAE45BDC6DF4D79F840DB05FBBD@its-ex01.its.itsservices.com> Message-ID: <05D73074-CBF9-4654-BF80-ABA57160AB66@softhome.net> On Jun 13, 2007, at 4:02 PM, Dan Shoop wrote: >> On the other machine I need to be able to give administrator >> rights to a >> new user. If the user does not know the old employees account >> details is >> there a way to access a default ( if there is one on MACS) account on >> the machine so I can edit the users rights? > > Enable root, and login as root. Read the docs for how to do this. I am going to advise against this. It is not good practice to enable or to log in as root. You can get everything done by simply checking the "Allow user to administer this computer" checkbox in System Preferences->Accounts. You have have the credentials of a administrative user to do this (unless you know your way around single user mode and nicl... I do not recommend that unless you really know what you are doing). -- Karl Kuehn larkost@softhome.net From heavyboots2k at yahoo.com Wed Jun 13 18:02:33 2007 From: heavyboots2k at yahoo.com (Eric Taylor) Date: Wed Jun 13 18:02:37 2007 Subject: MAC OS X tiger help for a Windows technician In-Reply-To: <20070613190003.7E473186FCC@forums.omnigroup.com> Message-ID: <557574.73526.qm@web33313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I have two concerns that I have to resolve tomorrow. One of the machines has a new user who created herself a new account. She is unable to install use certain fonts. Yet if she logs in with the previouse employees ID she can use those fonts. I do know however that both accounts are administrators on the machine. There are numerous places to hide fonts in OS X. This sounds like the fonts were placed in the the first user's Library/Fonts folder (ie ~/Library/Fonts). Move them from there to /Library/Fonts for all users on the machine to see them. Or just load them dynamically using the free font manager called Font Explorer X from LinoType. It's like iTunes for fonts. Other miscellaneous OS X font locations, FYI: /System/Library/Fonts /Library/Fonts /Classic/Fonts /Library/Application Support/Adobe/Fonts (for Adobe apps only) /Applications/Adobe InDesign CS[2-3]/Fonts (for InDesign, various versions) Issue number two is the same machine freezes regardless of what account you use if you try to print from withing firefox or safari (like off a web page) yet if you are within photoshop or any other program the machine prints fine. Not sure what "freezes" means. If it means a gray screen kernel panic, then you need to check /Library/Logs/panic.log for hints. If it means the application hangs, try console.log or system.log (use /Utilities/Console to view these logs). If you mean it crashes the printer, then try printing to a true postscript device and not an emulated one, such as most HP Laserjets contain these days. Best o' luck, Eric. ... I was thinking of the immortal words of Socrates, who said, "I drank what?!?" -Real Genius, 1985 heavyboots2k@yahoo.com --------------------------------- You snooze, you lose. Get messages ASAP with AutoCheck in the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta. From shoop at iwiring.net Thu Jun 14 13:18:40 2007 From: shoop at iwiring.net (Dan Shoop) Date: Thu Jun 14 13:18:57 2007 Subject: MAC OS X tiger help for a Windows technician In-Reply-To: <05D73074-CBF9-4654-BF80-ABA57160AB66@softhome.net> References: <7B4618BCCB8FAE45BDC6DF4D79F840DB05FBBD@its-ex01.its.itsservices.com> <05D73074-CBF9-4654-BF80-ABA57160AB66@softhome.net> Message-ID: At 4:38 PM -0400 6/13/07, Karl Kuehn wrote: >On Jun 13, 2007, at 4:02 PM, Dan Shoop wrote: > >>>On the other machine I need to be able to give administrator rights to a >>>new user. If the user does not know the old employees account details is >>>there a way to access a default ( if there is one on MACS) account on >>>the machine so I can edit the users rights? >> >>Enable root, and login as root. Read the docs for how to do this. > > I am going to advise against this. It is not good practice to >enable or to log in as root. You can get everything done by simply >checking the "Allow user to administer this computer" checkbox in >System Preferences->Accounts. You have have the credentials of a >administrative user to do this (unless you know your way around >single user mode and nicl... I do not recommend that unless you >really know what you are doing). And since he can't do that since he doesn't have access to an admin account how do you propose he get that done? As for this "never login as root or have root enabled" myth, get over it. If you're too feeble as a sysadmin to work in a root environent find another job. One where you ask about fries. If you're concerned that someone other than you will guess your root password and login then you need to find someone else who be your security manager b/c you clearly have no clue. You can have root enabled, just like it is on millions of systems worldwide, and still be secure. Well, may you can't but the real sysadmins and security managers can. -- -dhan ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Dan Shoop AIM: iWiring Systems & Networks Architect http://www.ustsvs.com/ shoop@iwiring.net http://www.iwiring.net/ 1-714-363-1174 From larkost at softhome.net Thu Jun 14 13:43:14 2007 From: larkost at softhome.net (Karl Kuehn) Date: Thu Jun 14 13:45:27 2007 Subject: MAC OS X tiger help for a Windows technician In-Reply-To: References: <7B4618BCCB8FAE45BDC6DF4D79F840DB05FBBD@its-ex01.its.itsservices.com> <05D73074-CBF9-4654-BF80-ABA57160AB66@softhome.net> Message-ID: On Jun 14, 2007, at 4:18 PM, Dan Shoop wrote: > And since he can't do that since he doesn't have access to an admin > account how do you propose he get that done? ... and how do you propose that he turn on root then? Same issue. Both of us should have mentioned that you can change a password with the password change tool when booted off the instal DVD. That is what is really going to solve this. > As for this "never login as root or have root enabled" myth, get > over it. If you're too feeble as a sysadmin to work in a root > environent find another job. One where you ask about fries. Are you intentionally being rude? Does this really work for you? Do you really think it is appropriate on a public forum? Do you really think it brings the conversation any further? "too feeble"? I think of it as more cautious, and working in an environment where your work should leave an audit trail. I know I make mistakes, and having to put "sudo" in front of my commands at least gives me a little more time to think. I have found that most of the time I would have made a big mistake I also forgot to put "sudo" in front of things. Thus not being root has saved me from myself. > If you're concerned that someone other than you will guess your > root password and login then you need to find someone else who be > your security manager b/c you clearly have no clue. You can have > root enabled, just like it is on millions of systems worldwide, and > still be secure. Well, may you can't but the real sysadmins and > security managers can. Rather than insulting people because they don't agree with you, you could put out reasonable arguments. For example I could point out that most of the SSH scripts (and any other takeover kit) aim at 'root' as one of their dictionary attacks. If you And "real sysadmins", as in the ones on big boxes (solaris ones) generally don't even know the root password. That is a random string that is printed out and put in a safe, just in case. They all use some varient of delegated admin rights... just like I am proposing. I do have to admit that certain OS's (Suse) fail to do this... but that is an annoyance to "real admins" like me. If there ever is a compromise, then I want to be able to revoke a single account. And if I have done my job correctly then that account only has a limited number of privileges. Then I can take my time figuring out if I have to re-create the system from scratch. You can't revoke root (note I am not talking about the password). -- Karl Kuehn larkost@softhome.net From grail at goldweb.com.au Thu Jun 14 19:00:34 2007 From: grail at goldweb.com.au (Alex Satrapa) Date: Thu Jun 14 19:00:47 2007 Subject: MAC OS X tiger help for a Windows technician In-Reply-To: References: <7B4618BCCB8FAE45BDC6DF4D79F840DB05FBBD@its-ex01.its.itsservices.com> <05D73074-CBF9-4654-BF80-ABA57160AB66@softhome.net> Message-ID: On 15/06/2007, at 06:43 , Karl Kuehn wrote: > Are you intentionally being rude? Does this really work for you? Do > you really think it is appropriate on a public forum? Do you really > think it brings the conversation any further? Dan has just been doing administratorly things for so long that he can no longer grasp the concept that some people don't understand Unix administration. This lack of comprehension leads to frustration when dealing with people whose knowledge domain isn't a full subset of his own, and this frustration results in the BOFH attitude which Dan has been affecting these last couple of months. >> If you're concerned that someone other than you will guess your >> root password and login then you need to find someone else who be >> your security manager b/c you clearly have no clue. > > Rather than insulting people because they don't agree with you, > you could put out reasonable arguments. For example I could point > out that most of the SSH scripts (and any other takeover kit) aim > at 'root' as one of their dictionary attacks. The main risk of enabling root login is that it becomes easier for remote attackers to log in as root. If root login is not enabled, remote attackers first have to log in as a local user, then find a locally exploitable privilege escalation vulnerability. The increased difficulty is due to having to guess not just the password, but a local user name. You can mitigate this risk by simply not turning on Telnet, and configuring SSH to: - not allow root logins - only allow specific users to log in - not allow password logins (you must use a key) - do not use administrative accounts for day to day use (Check http://enterprise.linux.com/article.pl? sid=07/03/26/1423232&tid=129 for more on the topic of SSH security) Another risk of enabling the root login is that it becomes possible to trick some applications into launching a root shell. In some cases these can be mitigated by disabling the root account: set the password field for root to "x" or some such (as per your local convention), and give root a shell of /bin/false (noting that the password field is where you store the encrypted password, so 'x' cannot possibly map to any password). Yes, there are risks involved with enabling root logins on any system. Once you can identify the risks, you can take steps to mitigate the risk. However, since I know that I don't know all the risks I choose to not enable root logins. It isn't really that hard to type "sudo zsh". Alex From esaline at pen-tec.com Thu Jun 14 19:55:38 2007 From: esaline at pen-tec.com (Erik Saline) Date: Thu Jun 14 20:26:13 2007 Subject: MAC OS X tiger help for a Windows technician In-Reply-To: References: <7B4618BCCB8FAE45BDC6DF4D79F840DB05FBBD@its-ex01.its.itsservices.com> <05D73074-CBF9-4654-BF80-ABA57160AB66@softhome.net> Message-ID: On Jun 14, 2007, at 1:18 PM, Dan Shoop wrote: > At 4:38 PM -0400 6/13/07, Karl Kuehn wrote: >> On Jun 13, 2007, at 4:02 PM, Dan Shoop wrote: >> >>>> On the other machine I need to be able to give administrator >>>> rights to a >>>> new user. If the user does not know the old employees account >>>> details is >>>> there a way to access a default ( if there is one on MACS) >>>> account on >>>> the machine so I can edit the users rights? >>> >>> Enable root, and login as root. Read the docs for how to do this. >> >> I am going to advise against this. It is not good practice to >> enable or to log in as root. You can get everything done by simply >> checking the "Allow user to administer this computer" checkbox in >> System Preferences->Accounts. You have have the credentials of a >> administrative user to do this (unless you know your way around >> single user mode and nicl... I do not recommend that unless you >> really know what you are doing). > > And since he can't do that since he doesn't have access to an admin > account how do you propose he get that done? > > > > As for this "never login as root or have root enabled" myth, get > over it. If you're too feeble as a sysadmin to work in a root > environent find another job. One where you ask about fries. > > If you're concerned that someone other than you will guess your > root password and login then you need to find someone else who be > your security manager b/c you clearly have no clue. You can have > root enabled, just like it is on millions of systems worldwide, and > still be secure. Well, may you can't but the real sysadmins and > security managers can. > -- Heads up Dan. Leopard Server is being advertised as so easy you no longer need an IT admin. Image all those questions. Erik > > -dhan > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > Dan Shoop AIM: > iWiring > Systems & Networks Architect http:// > www.ustsvs.com/ > shoop@iwiring.net http:// > www.iwiring.net/ > 1-714-363-1174 > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-admin mailing list > MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin > From grail at goldweb.com.au Thu Jun 14 23:37:20 2007 From: grail at goldweb.com.au (Alex Satrapa) Date: Thu Jun 14 23:37:29 2007 Subject: MAC OS X tiger help for a Windows technician In-Reply-To: References: <7B4618BCCB8FAE45BDC6DF4D79F840DB05FBBD@its-ex01.its.itsservices.com> <05D73074-CBF9-4654-BF80-ABA57160AB66@softhome.net> Message-ID: On 15/06/2007, at 12:55 , Erik Saline wrote: > Heads up Dan. Leopard Server is being advertised as so easy you no > longer need an IT admin. Image all those questions. I imagine dear Brother Shoop will have to retreat to the sacred halls of the Scary Devil Monastery. Or every message he reads from this list will invoke mental imagery along the lines of that scene from "Sixth Sense". "I see dumb people... they're everywhere. They walk around like everyone else. They don't even know that they're dumb!" - http://media.funlol.com/ content/img/0308.jpg Based on Apple's advertising, I guess right now would be a great time to get myself trained up as an Apple certified Mac OS X Server administrator. Alex From paul at plsys.co.uk Fri Jun 15 00:59:21 2007 From: paul at plsys.co.uk (Paul Lynch) Date: Fri Jun 15 01:00:05 2007 Subject: MAC OS X tiger help for a Windows technician In-Reply-To: References: <7B4618BCCB8FAE45BDC6DF4D79F840DB05FBBD@its-ex01.its.itsservices.com> <05D73074-CBF9-4654-BF80-ABA57160AB66@softhome.net> Message-ID: <27273C75-821C-4DE3-84B2-8EE91D2C79A1@plsys.co.uk> On 15 Jun 2007, at 03:00, Alex Satrapa wrote: > the BOFH attitude which Dan has been affecting these last couple of > months. You're new here, aren't you? ;-) Paul From jwelch at bynkii.com Fri Jun 15 08:42:19 2007 From: jwelch at bynkii.com (John C. Welch) Date: Fri Jun 15 08:42:30 2007 Subject: MAC OS X tiger help for a Windows technician In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 6/14/07 23:37, "Alex Satrapa" wrote: >> Heads up Dan. Leopard Server is being advertised as so easy you no >> longer need an IT admin. Image all those questions. > > I imagine dear Brother Shoop will have to retreat to the sacred halls > of the Scary Devil Monastery. As a minor point, everybody ranting about Dan like this creates FAR more noise than Dan himself does. -- John C. Welch Writer/Analyst Bynkii.com Mac and other opinions jwelch@bynkii.com From finlay.dobbie at gmail.com Fri Jun 15 09:35:09 2007 From: finlay.dobbie at gmail.com (Finlay Dobbie) Date: Fri Jun 15 09:35:17 2007 Subject: MAC OS X tiger help for a Windows technician In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 15/06/07, John C. Welch wrote: > On 6/14/07 23:37, "Alex Satrapa" wrote: > > >> Heads up Dan. Leopard Server is being advertised as so easy you no > >> longer need an IT admin. Image all those questions. > > > > I imagine dear Brother Shoop will have to retreat to the sacred halls > > of the Scary Devil Monastery. > > As a minor point, everybody ranting about Dan like this creates FAR more > noise than Dan himself does. But at least it's more amusing noise. ;o) -- Finlay From jwelch at bynkii.com Fri Jun 15 10:00:24 2007 From: jwelch at bynkii.com (John C. Welch) Date: Fri Jun 15 10:00:53 2007 Subject: MAC OS X tiger help for a Windows technician In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 6/15/07 09:35, "Finlay Dobbie" wrote: >>>> Heads up Dan. Leopard Server is being advertised as so easy you no >>>> longer need an IT admin. Image all those questions. >>> >>> I imagine dear Brother Shoop will have to retreat to the sacred halls >>> of the Scary Devil Monastery. >> >> As a minor point, everybody ranting about Dan like this creates FAR more >> noise than Dan himself does. > > But at least it's more amusing noise. ;o) Not really. Were people at least coming up with new fun ways to yell at him, it would be amusing. But honestly, no one I've seen can say it any better than "Does being a big stupid meany-pants work for you?" See, that's why most people shouldn't swear, or even attempt to be cross with people. They're really not good at it, and it's kind of like being yelled at by a six year old. If Dan pisses you off, either come up with something vaguely original and potentially amusing, or just ignore him. Most of the people trying to pile on Dan *really* need to go with the latter, as they're just not good at the former. -- John C. Welch Writer/Analyst Bynkii.com Mac and other opinions jwelch@bynkii.com From esaline at pen-tec.com Fri Jun 15 10:02:13 2007 From: esaline at pen-tec.com (Erik Saline) Date: Fri Jun 15 10:02:22 2007 Subject: MAC OS X tiger help for a Windows technician In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Jun 15, 2007, at 8:42 AM, John C. Welch wrote: > On 6/14/07 23:37, "Alex Satrapa" wrote: > >>> Heads up Dan. Leopard Server is being advertised as so easy you no >>> longer need an IT admin. Image all those questions. >> >> I imagine dear Brother Shoop will have to retreat to the sacred halls >> of the Scary Devil Monastery. > > As a minor point, everybody ranting about Dan like this creates FAR > more > noise than Dan himself does. Understood John. Some civility is not too much to ask for. Erik > > -- > John C. Welch Writer/Analyst > Bynkii.com Mac and other opinions > jwelch@bynkii.com > > > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-admin mailing list > MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin > From henry at martintechs.com Fri Jun 15 10:19:39 2007 From: henry at martintechs.com (Henry Martin) Date: Fri Jun 15 10:19:44 2007 Subject: MAC OS X tiger help for a Windows technician In-Reply-To: <7B4618BCCB8FAE45BDC6DF4D79F840DB05FBBD@its-ex01.its.itsservices.com> References: <7B4618BCCB8FAE45BDC6DF4D79F840DB05FBBD@its-ex01.its.itsservices.com> Message-ID: On Jun 13, 2007, at 12:07 PM, Shawn Connelly wrote: > I would appreciate the help that any one of you guys and gals could > give > me because I am at a complete loss right now. (gulp.....as I swallow my > pride) In the midst of the firestorm, did we ever answer the original questions? Did we help someone who just joined our world, or did we send him running the other way? Henry Martin ( carefully bottom posting to avoid the Wrath of Dan ) From jwelch at bynkii.com Fri Jun 15 10:55:37 2007 From: jwelch at bynkii.com (John C. Welch) Date: Fri Jun 15 10:55:47 2007 Subject: MAC OS X tiger help for a Windows technician In-Reply-To: <7B4618BCCB8FAE45BDC6DF4D79F840DB05FBBD@its-ex01.its.itsservices.com> Message-ID: COMPLETELY ignoring every previous post, and not particularly caring that I have. On 6/13/07 10:07, "Shawn Connelly" wrote: > I have two concerns that I have to resolve tomorrow. One of the machines > has a new user who created herself a new account. She is unable to > install use certain fonts. Yet if she logs in with the previouse > employees ID she can use those fonts. I do know however that both > accounts are administrators on the machine. Okay, so since you have people who are, from what I can tell, not really administrators, yet doing administrator things. This sounds to me like you might have some self-administered bullets in various feet, and is one of the cases where running "Repair Permissions" from /Applications/Utilities/Disk Utility would be a good first step. > > Issue number two is the same machine freezes regardless of what account > you use if you try to print from withing firefox or safari (like off a > web page) yet if you are within photoshop or any other program the > machine prints fine. First, please define "machine freezes" better. that is an astoundingly vague description. Let us know what happens after the permissions repair with this too. If that doesn't help, then watch both the console and system logs in /Applications/Utilities/Console to see if any messages are thrown when this happens. > On the other machine I need to be able to give administrator rights to a > new user. If the user does not know the old employees account details is > there a way to access a default ( if there is one on MACS) account on > the machine so I can edit the users rights? Log in as any *other* user with administrator rights, and you can do this. Root login is not required for this operation. Also, please, please, PLEASE include things like OS versions, network information, etc. It really helps us help you. -- John C. Welch Writer/Analyst Bynkii.com Mac and other opinions jwelch@bynkii.com From scott_ribe at killerbytes.com Fri Jun 15 11:01:58 2007 From: scott_ribe at killerbytes.com (Scott Ribe) Date: Fri Jun 15 11:02:13 2007 Subject: MAC OS X tiger help for a Windows technician In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > In the midst of the firestorm, did we ever answer the original > questions? Did we help someone who just joined our world, or did we > send him running the other way? Both, I think ;=) -- Scott Ribe scott_ribe@killerbytes.com http://www.killerbytes.com/ (303) 722-0567 voice From shoop at iwiring.net Fri Jun 15 13:01:35 2007 From: shoop at iwiring.net (Dan Shoop) Date: Fri Jun 15 13:01:46 2007 Subject: MAC OS X tiger help for a Windows technician In-Reply-To: References: <7B4618BCCB8FAE45BDC6DF4D79F840DB05FBBD@its-ex01.its.itsservices.com> <05D73074-CBF9-4654-BF80-ABA57160AB66@softhome.net> Message-ID: At 7:55 PM -0700 6/14/07, Erik Saline wrote: >Heads up Dan. Leopard Server is being advertised as so easy you no >longer need an IT admin. Image all those questions. I can't comment thanks to NDA. But you may want to see http://safari.oreilly.com/1565921046 -- -dhan ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Dan Shoop AIM: iWiring Systems & Networks Architect http://www.ustsvs.com/ shoop@iwiring.net http://www.iwiring.net/ 1-714-363-1174 From Shawn.Connelly at itsservices.com Fri Jun 15 13:23:28 2007 From: Shawn.Connelly at itsservices.com (Shawn Connelly) Date: Fri Jun 15 13:24:39 2007 Subject: MAC OS X tiger help for a Windows technician In-Reply-To: References: <7B4618BCCB8FAE45BDC6DF4D79F840DB05FBBD@its-ex01.its.itsservices.com> Message-ID: <7B4618BCCB8FAE45BDC6DF4D79F840DB05FBD4@its-ex01.its.itsservices.com> Well I still haven't gotten a resolve to the printing issue when the user tries to print from firefox or safari. I re installed both applications, clear the history and caches and the darn thing still freezes when you try to print off a web page, yet when you print from within an application it is just fine. -----Original Message----- From: Henry Martin [mailto:henry@martintechs.com] Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 1:20 PM To: Shawn Connelly Cc: macosx-admin@omnigroup.com Subject: Re: MAC OS X tiger help for a Windows technician On Jun 13, 2007, at 12:07 PM, Shawn Connelly wrote: > I would appreciate the help that any one of you guys and gals could > give > me because I am at a complete loss right now. (gulp.....as I swallow my > pride) In the midst of the firestorm, did we ever answer the original questions? Did we help someone who just joined our world, or did we send him running the other way? Henry Martin ( carefully bottom posting to avoid the Wrath of Dan ) From jwelch at bynkii.com Fri Jun 15 13:34:20 2007 From: jwelch at bynkii.com (John C. Welch) Date: Fri Jun 15 13:34:56 2007 Subject: MAC OS X tiger help for a Windows technician In-Reply-To: <7B4618BCCB8FAE45BDC6DF4D79F840DB05FBD4@its-ex01.its.itsservices.com> Message-ID: On 6/15/07 13:23, "Shawn Connelly" wrote: > Well I still haven't gotten a resolve to the printing issue when the > user tries to print from firefox or safari. I re installed both > applications, clear the history and caches and the darn thing still > freezes when you try to print off a web page, yet when you print from > within an application it is just fine. What do the logs tell you -- John C. Welch Writer/Analyst Bynkii.com Mac and other opinions jwelch@bynkii.com From janos.lobb at yale.edu Fri Jun 15 13:40:42 2007 From: janos.lobb at yale.edu (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?J=E1nos?=) Date: Fri Jun 15 13:39:40 2007 Subject: MAC OS X tiger help for a Windows technician In-Reply-To: <7B4618BCCB8FAE45BDC6DF4D79F840DB05FBD4@its-ex01.its.itsservices.com> References: <7B4618BCCB8FAE45BDC6DF4D79F840DB05FBBD@its-ex01.its.itsservices.com> <7B4618BCCB8FAE45BDC6DF4D79F840DB05FBD4@its-ex01.its.itsservices.com> Message-ID: On Jun 15, 2007, at 4:23 PM, Shawn Connelly wrote: > Well I still haven't gotten a resolve to the printing issue when the > user tries to print from firefox or safari. I re installed both > applications, clear the history and caches and the darn thing still > freezes when you try to print off a web page, yet when you print from > within an application it is just fine. Are you printing to a local printer - let say via USb - or to a network printer ? Did you also delete any Safari or FireFox related entry from ~/ Library/Preferences before the re-install ? Are you going through a proxy for browsing ? Did you try to re-install the printer driver ? J?nos -------------------------------- "I wish developing great products was as easy as writing a check. If that were the case, Microsoft would have some great products." --Steve Jobs From shoop at iwiring.net Fri Jun 15 15:27:11 2007 From: shoop at iwiring.net (Dan Shoop) Date: Fri Jun 15 15:27:30 2007 Subject: MAC OS X tiger help for a Windows technician In-Reply-To: <7B4618BCCB8FAE45BDC6DF4D79F840DB05FBD4@its-ex01.its.itsservices.com> References: <7B4618BCCB8FAE45BDC6DF4D79F840DB05FBBD@its-ex01.its.itsservices.com> <7B4618BCCB8FAE45BDC6DF4D79F840DB05FBD4@its-ex01.its.itsservices.com> Message-ID: At 4:23 PM -0400 6/15/07, Shawn Connelly wrote: >Well I still haven't gotten a resolve to the printing issue when the >user tries to print from firefox or safari. I re installed both >applications, clear the history and caches and the darn thing still >freezes when you try to print off a web page, yet when you print from >within an application it is just fine. OK, first Safari and Firefox are applications, as I'm sure you know. Have you tried dropping any [/Library | ~/Library]/Internet Plug-Ins? Have you trashed their preferences? Can you define "freezes" more? What does Spin Control say is happening? Does sc_usage reveal anything? Does at any time the application get marked as "not responding"? -- -dhan ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Dan Shoop AIM: iWiring Systems & Networks Architect http://www.ustsvs.com/ shoop@iwiring.net http://www.iwiring.net/ 1-714-363-1174 From kremels at kreme.com Fri Jun 15 18:16:04 2007 From: kremels at kreme.com (LuKreme) Date: Fri Jun 15 18:16:27 2007 Subject: MAC OS X tiger help for a Windows technician In-Reply-To: References: <7B4618BCCB8FAE45BDC6DF4D79F840DB05FBBD@its-ex01.its.itsservices.com> <05D73074-CBF9-4654-BF80-ABA57160AB66@softhome.net> Message-ID: <020F2287-F406-4B8F-8E51-C09044D07ACB@kreme.com> On 14-Jun-2007, at 20:00, Alex Satrapa wrote: > On 15/06/2007, at 06:43 , Karl Kuehn wrote: >> Are you intentionally being rude? Does this really work for you? >> Do you really think it is appropriate on a public forum? Do you >> really think it brings the conversation any further? > > Dan has just been doing administratorly things for so long that he > can no longer grasp the concept that some people don't understand > Unix administration. This lack of comprehension leads to > frustration when dealing with people whose knowledge domain isn't a > full subset of his own, and this frustration results in the BOFH > attitude which Dan has been affecting these last couple of months. Months? You must be new around here.... :) > The main risk of enabling root login is that it becomes easier for > remote attackers to log in as root. If root login is not enabled, > remote attackers first have to log in as a local user, then find a > locally exploitable privilege escalation vulnerability. The > increased difficulty is due to having to guess not just the > password, but a local user name. Well, yes, I suppose. I mean, you can not allow remote logins as root, that's pretty trivial to do. > You can mitigate this risk by simply not turning on Telnet, and > configuring SSH to: > - not allow root logins > - only allow specific users to log in > - not allow password logins (you must use a key) > - do not use administrative accounts for day to day use You can allow root SSH, just not root/password via ssh. -- I listen to the wind, to the wind of my soul From subscriber at gloaming.com Sat Jun 16 08:20:28 2007 From: subscriber at gloaming.com (James Bucanek) Date: Sat Jun 16 08:40:32 2007 Subject: MAC OS X tiger help for a Windows technician In-Reply-To: <7B4618BCCB8FAE45BDC6DF4D79F840DB05FBD4@its-ex01.its.itsservices.com> Message-ID: Shawn Connelly wrote (Friday, June 15, 2007 1:23 PM -0400): >Well I still haven't gotten a resolve to the printing issue when the >user tries to print from firefox or safari. I re installed both >applications, clear the history and caches and the darn thing still >freezes when you try to print off a web page, yet when you print from >within an application it is just fine. You'll get lots of good debugging advice from the list, but here's my 2 cents: I solve 90% of all printer/printing problems by going into the Printer Setup, deleting the printer, and re-adding it. -- James Bucanek From sglewis at mac.com Sat Jun 16 19:12:25 2007 From: sglewis at mac.com (Scott Lewis) Date: Sat Jun 16 19:12:29 2007 Subject: MAC OS X tiger help for a Windows technician In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: >As a minor point, everybody ranting about Dan like this creates FAR more >noise than Dan himself does. But he ignores private email rants, and just might be scaring away the newbies... hopefully they'll read these too and realize some of us actually joined the list to be helpful, rather than arrogant jerks. Not me... I joined the list to get help from the helpful. From jwelch at bynkii.com Sat Jun 16 23:19:41 2007 From: jwelch at bynkii.com (John C. Welch) Date: Sat Jun 16 23:19:56 2007 Subject: MAC OS X tiger help for a Windows technician In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 6/16/07 19:12, "Scott Lewis" wrote: >> As a minor point, everybody ranting about Dan like this creates FAR more >> noise than Dan himself does. > > But he ignores private email rants, and just might be scaring away the > newbies... hopefully they'll read these too and realize some of us actually > joined the list to be helpful, rather than arrogant jerks. > > Not me... I joined the list to get help from the helpful. Gee, he ignores private email flames. How weird. However justified you feel in ragging on him on the list, that doesn't change the fact that if every message he posts generates 25 hate mails, those 25 people are.not.helping. Is this logic akin to multivariable calculus or something -- John C. Welch Writer/Analyst Bynkii.com Mac and other opinions jwelch@bynkii.com From paul at plsys.co.uk Sun Jun 17 00:04:42 2007 From: paul at plsys.co.uk (Paul Lynch) Date: Sun Jun 17 00:05:09 2007 Subject: MAC OS X tiger help for a Windows technician In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4BC8819E-9D08-44CE-9EA1-EF9ECC4F6F16@plsys.co.uk> On 17 Jun 2007, at 07:19, John C. Welch wrote: > On 6/16/07 19:12, "Scott Lewis" wrote: > >>> As a minor point, everybody ranting about Dan like this creates >>> FAR more >>> noise than Dan himself does. >> >> But he ignores private email rants, and just might be scaring away >> the >> newbies... hopefully they'll read these too and realize some of us >> actually >> joined the list to be helpful, rather than arrogant jerks. >> >> Not me... I joined the list to get help from the helpful. > > Gee, he ignores private email flames. How weird. However justified > you feel > in ragging on him on the list, that doesn't change the fact that if > every > message he posts generates 25 hate mails, those 25 people > are.not.helping. > > Is this logic akin to multivariable calculus or something Every poster who defends bad manners on the mailing list is adding to the noise level, AND not helping (I don't care if you've been guilt tripped into making an on-topic post as well as this thread). If the flames are caused by bad manners, then there is fault on both sides. IMHO, the one or two posters who defend Dan's bad attitude are doing more damage than Dan in the first place. Ultimately, this is a matter for consensus and moderation, which is all a matter of opinions, and so not entirely responsible to ration discussion. I feel that a certain amount of abuse is fair return on an admin list, but it does pollute the atmosphere to an extent; rabid defense of the indefensible is far worse. That's just my opinion, and, as I am sure someone will point out, I am not a list mom. Paul From jwelch at bynkii.com Sun Jun 17 00:07:54 2007 From: jwelch at bynkii.com (John C. Welch) Date: Sun Jun 17 00:07:57 2007 Subject: MAC OS X tiger help for a Windows technician In-Reply-To: <4BC8819E-9D08-44CE-9EA1-EF9ECC4F6F16@plsys.co.uk> Message-ID: On 6/17/07 00:04, "Paul Lynch" wrote: >> >>>> As a minor point, everybody ranting about Dan like this creates >>>> FAR more >>>> noise than Dan himself does. >>> >>> But he ignores private email rants, and just might be scaring away >>> the >>> newbies... hopefully they'll read these too and realize some of us >>> actually >>> joined the list to be helpful, rather than arrogant jerks. >>> >>> Not me... I joined the list to get help from the helpful. >> >> Gee, he ignores private email flames. How weird. However justified >> you feel >> in ragging on him on the list, that doesn't change the fact that if >> every >> message he posts generates 25 hate mails, those 25 people >> are.not.helping. >> >> Is this logic akin to multivariable calculus or something > > Every poster who defends bad manners on the mailing list is adding to > the noise level, you mean like the ones you're displaying now? -- John C. Welch Writer/Analyst Bynkii.com Mac and other opinions jwelch@bynkii.com From brianw at sounds.wa.com Sun Jun 17 00:56:55 2007 From: brianw at sounds.wa.com (Brian Willoughby) Date: Sun Jun 17 00:57:03 2007 Subject: MAC OS X tiger help for a Windows technician In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <68DB3321-C4AF-4E50-97D3-152E28E3B248@sounds.wa.com> Everyone is making decent points, but can we just drop this now? The best way to fight Dan's arrogant and unhelpful responses is if they disappear in the volume of helpful responses (and I mean responses with answers, not just chiming in about how bad Dan is). Perhaps Dan is just wearing thin because he often is the only one to reply to many of the questions. Perhaps, also, this list suffers from too many members needing answers, complaining about Dan, and not enough people providing answers. Then again, I don't read everything here, so perhaps my view is skewed. Brian Willoughby Sound Consulting On Jun 17, 2007, at 00:07, John C. Welch wrote: > On 6/17/07 00:04, "Paul Lynch" wrote: >>>>> As a minor point, everybody ranting about Dan like this creates >>>>> FAR more >>>>> noise than Dan himself does. >>>> >>>> But he ignores private email rants, and just might be scaring away >>>> the >>>> newbies... hopefully they'll read these too and realize some of us >>>> actually >>>> joined the list to be helpful, rather than arrogant jerks. >>>> >>>> Not me... I joined the list to get help from the helpful. >>> >>> Gee, he ignores private email flames. How weird. However justified >>> you feel >>> in ragging on him on the list, that doesn't change the fact that if >>> every >>> message he posts generates 25 hate mails, those 25 people >>> are.not.helping. >>> >>> Is this logic akin to multivariable calculus or something >> >> Every poster who defends bad manners on the mailing list is adding to >> the noise level, > > you mean like the ones you're displaying now? From stefano.mori at zen.co.uk Sun Jun 17 02:57:26 2007 From: stefano.mori at zen.co.uk (Stefano Mori) Date: Sun Jun 17 02:57:38 2007 Subject: MAC OS X tiger help for a Windows technician In-Reply-To: <68DB3321-C4AF-4E50-97D3-152E28E3B248@sounds.wa.com> References: <68DB3321-C4AF-4E50-97D3-152E28E3B248@sounds.wa.com> Message-ID: <8505E1E6-C30D-4ACC-9022-B13BFB0679AE@zen.co.uk> On 2007-Jun-17, at 08:56, Brian Willoughby wrote: > Everyone is making decent points, but can we just drop this now? There's the story of a guy who's a monk but he can't meditate properly because he keeps thinking about sex. He's celibate, but eventually his master tells him that he should go have sex with someone so he can get it out of his system, and then come back to focus. The discussion about people's behavior doesn't change anyone's behavior. You can't change people no matter how rational and well argued anyone's case is. People just don't change. What it does serve to do though is to let people vent their annoyance. Nobody has to agree with that annoyance... although some may well do. It's not a question of whether the annoyance is rationally justified. Y'all just say, "when so and so does xyx, I feel annoyed." If anyone hears it, fine, if anyone ignores it, fine. (It helps if you avoid blaming them.) If the annoyance has become so distracting that you feel you have to get it out of your system, and you just want to say it once, then fine. Once people have had a chance to do that, things move on. Stefano From topher at thehundredacre.net Sun Jun 17 14:13:25 2007 From: topher at thehundredacre.net (Christopher Bort) Date: Sun Jun 17 14:14:25 2007 Subject: MAC OS X tiger help for a Windows technician In-Reply-To: <68DB3321-C4AF-4E50-97D3-152E28E3B248@sounds.wa.com> Message-ID: On 06/17/07 00:56, brianw@sounds.wa.com (Brian Willoughby) wrote: >The best way to fight Dan's arrogant and unhelpful responses is >if they disappear in the volume of helpful responses (and I >mean responses with answers, not just chiming in about how bad >Dan is). Yet I often find that Dan's responses are the most helpful in the long run. It's true that he doesn't usually just give 'the answer.' More often, through pointed comments and questions, he gives just enough information for an observant reader to find 'the answer' for [him|her]self. Teach a man to fish, and all that. He does tend to be terse and abrasive, with the points of his comments and questions sharpened perhaps a little too much, and he never misses an opportunity to chastise people for not thinking things through and shearing off the wool. Those with thinner skins often interpret his tone as arrogant rudeness. If you can toughen your own exoskeleton and not take it personally (I can't think offhand of an instance where Dan has actually attacked anyone on a personal basis), you may see that the terseness quite often cuts right to the meat of the issue at hand. It seems that people get the most frustrated with Dan when his responses require them to do a little homework and, perhaps, some actual thinking of their own. Could he be as effective with a gentler tone? Perhaps, but then it wouldn't be Dhan (sic) and we'd have to send out a rescue crew to find out what had happened to him. -- Christopher Bort From mrhatken at mac.com Tue Jun 19 23:37:12 2007 From: mrhatken at mac.com (Ashley Aitken) Date: Tue Jun 19 23:37:46 2007 Subject: MAC OS X tiger help for a Windows technician In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 18/06/2007, at 5:13 AM, Christopher Bort wrote: > On 06/17/07 00:56, brianw@sounds.wa.com (Brian Willoughby) wrote: > >> The best way to fight Dan's arrogant and unhelpful responses is if >> they disappear in the volume of helpful responses (and I mean >> responses with answers, not just chiming in about how bad Dan is). > > Yet I often find that Dan's responses are the most helpful in the > long run. Yes, I agree that Dan can be most helpful - he's helped me a couple of times - but that should not be an excuse for inappropriate behaviour. > He does tend to be terse and abrasive, with the points of his > comments and questions sharpened perhaps a little too much, and he > never misses an opportunity to chastise people for not thinking > things through and shearing off the wool. Yes, but I believe these these things can (and should) be done in a more friendly way (not necessarily less direct way). > It seems that people get the most frustrated with Dan when his > responses require them to do a little homework and, perhaps, some > actual thinking of their own. I can think of two other characteristics of responses that can be annoying and frustrating (at least to me): 1. Believing that one's view are always correct (and the only way to view things) - often a symptom of this is the use of definitive statements. 2. Assuming the other party hasn't done any research or thinking when they may have (albeit, perhaps along different lines). Cheers, Ashley. -- Ashley Aitken Perth, Western Australia mrhatken at mac dot com Skype Name: MrHatken (GMT + 8 Hours!) From jwelch at bynkii.com Wed Jun 20 07:40:01 2007 From: jwelch at bynkii.com (John Welch) Date: Wed Jun 20 07:40:21 2007 Subject: MAC OS X tiger help for a Windows technician In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 6/20/07 01:37 AM, "Ashley Aitken" wrote: >> Yet I often find that Dan's responses are the most helpful in the >> long run. > > Yes, I agree that Dan can be most helpful - he's helped me a couple > of times - but that should not be an excuse for inappropriate behaviour. > >> He does tend to be terse and abrasive, with the points of his >> comments and questions sharpened perhaps a little too much, and he >> never misses an opportunity to chastise people for not thinking >> things through and shearing off the wool. > > Yes, but I believe these these things can (and should) be done in a > more friendly way (not necessarily less direct way). That's well and good, but Dan is Dan, and Dan is all Dan can be, just like you can only be Ashley. Projecting your standards onto someone else is an exercise in frustration, and doomed to failure. You're not going to convince him to change, nor shall anyone else. Accept that, and either ignore him, or don't take anything he says personally, because he very rarely means it that way. -- John C. Welch Writer/Analyst Bynkii.com Mac and other opinions jwelch@bynkii.com From esaline at pen-tec.com Wed Jun 20 08:12:15 2007 From: esaline at pen-tec.com (Erik Saline) Date: Wed Jun 20 08:12:51 2007 Subject: MAC OS X tiger help for a Windows technician In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2194AEE2-CE3C-438C-932D-D69C7A2D96B9@pen-tec.com> On Jun 20, 2007, at 7:40 AM, John Welch wrote: > On 6/20/07 01:37 AM, "Ashley Aitken" wrote: > >>> Yet I often find that Dan's responses are the most helpful in the >>> long run. >> >> Yes, I agree that Dan can be most helpful - he's helped me a couple >> of times - but that should not be an excuse for inappropriate >> behaviour. >> >>> He does tend to be terse and abrasive, with the points of his >>> comments and questions sharpened perhaps a little too much, and he >>> never misses an opportunity to chastise people for not thinking >>> things through and shearing off the wool. >> >> Yes, but I believe these these things can (and should) be done in a >> more friendly way (not necessarily less direct way). > > That's well and good, but Dan is Dan, and Dan is all Dan can be, > just like > you can only be Ashley. Projecting your standards onto someone else > is an > exercise in frustration, and doomed to failure. You're not going to > convince > him to change, nor shall anyone else. Then do not expect us to stop creating noise on this list in response to Dan's comments. Accept that. > Accept that, and either ignore him, or > don't take anything he says personally, because he very rarely > means it that > way. > > -- > John C. Welch Writer/Analyst > Bynkii.com Mac and other opinions > jwelch@bynkii.com > > > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-admin mailing list > MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin > From jwelch at bynkii.com Wed Jun 20 08:19:57 2007 From: jwelch at bynkii.com (John Welch) Date: Wed Jun 20 08:20:10 2007 Subject: MAC OS X tiger help for a Windows technician In-Reply-To: <2194AEE2-CE3C-438C-932D-D69C7A2D96B9@pen-tec.com> Message-ID: On 6/20/07 10:12 AM, "Erik Saline" wrote: >> That's well and good, but Dan is Dan, and Dan is all Dan can be, >> just like >> you can only be Ashley. Projecting your standards onto someone else >> is an >> exercise in frustration, and doomed to failure. You're not going to >> convince >> him to change, nor shall anyone else. > > Then do not expect us to stop creating noise on this list in response > to Dan's comments. > > Accept that. Then at least have the maturity to accept your own equal role in the problem and stop whining about him. Otherwise, you're like some kid in a water balloon fight whining that it's not fair HE got hit. Pfah. If you're going to make the problem worse, stop with the pretentions of some moral high ground, because at the exact point you attack, you're everything you accuse him of being, and perhaps a bit worse, as you lack even the slight fascia of attempting to give technical advice. -- John C. Welch Writer/Analyst Bynkii.com Mac and other opinions jwelch@bynkii.com From roodavis at mac.com Wed Jun 20 19:23:23 2007 From: roodavis at mac.com (Rick Davis) Date: Wed Jun 20 19:23:36 2007 Subject: MacOSX-admin Digest, Vol 42, Issue 13 In-Reply-To: <20070620190016.0D84518B5A9@forums.omnigroup.com> References: <20070620190016.0D84518B5A9@forums.omnigroup.com> Message-ID: <9D5B0022-06A2-4B93-A554-B748D5160C8D@mac.com> On Jun 20, 2007, at 3:00 PM, macosx-admin-request@omnigroup.com wrote: > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: MAC OS X tiger help for a Windows technician (Ashley Aitken) > 2. Re: MAC OS X tiger help for a Windows technician (John Welch) > 3. Re: MAC OS X tiger help for a Windows technician (Erik Saline) > 4. Re: MAC OS X tiger help for a Windows technician (John Welch) > Amazing. An entire digest with no technical content...LOL. I have to admit that I scroll through the digests table of content first looking for topics that interest me or that I may be able to offer assistance. Then I scroll through to look for any posts by Dan to see what the mood is and who he might be slapping around or pissing of...ROTFLMAO. With four or five lists that he posts to regularly it's better than comedy central. This thread alone has been good for a week of laughs. ;-) From newslists at autonomy.caltech.edu Thu Jun 21 20:16:11 2007 From: newslists at autonomy.caltech.edu (R.L. Grigg) Date: Thu Jun 21 20:16:18 2007 Subject: Console app problem after 10.4.10? Message-ID: After applying the 10.4.10 OSX upgrade to a 2xG5 2GHz PPC PowerMac, the Console application won't display the console or system log. It used to. There is no window displayed, even though under "Window" in the menu bar I select console.log, system.log, or "Bring All to Front". Theres a file /var/log/system.log but no /var/log/ console.log. All I did was upgrade to 10.4.10 and it stopped working. From cwolf at mac.com Thu Jun 21 20:37:34 2007 From: cwolf at mac.com (Christopher Wolf) Date: Thu Jun 21 20:38:36 2007 Subject: Console app problem after 10.4.10? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Jun 21, 2007, at 11:16 PM, R.L. Grigg wrote: > After applying the 10.4.10 OSX upgrade to a 2xG5 2GHz PPC PowerMac, > the Console application won't display the console or system log. It > used to. There is no window displayed, even though under "Window" in > the menu bar I select console.log, system.log, or "Bring All to > Front". Theres a file /var/log/system.log but no /var/log/ > console.log. All I did was upgrade to 10.4.10 and it stopped working. The console.log never lived at /var/log/console.log - in 10.4 it's always bees stored at /Library/Logs/Console//console.log. The system.log does live at /var/log/system.log but is only readable by admin users. (I don't think either of these things changed with 10.4.10...) Can you read the log files at the above locations if you try using cat from the terminal or your favorite text-editor to open them? Does quitting Console.app and moving aside ~/Library/Preferences/ com.apple.Console.plist help? - Chris > > > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-admin mailing list > MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin From kremels at kreme.com Thu Jun 21 22:08:46 2007 From: kremels at kreme.com (LuKreme) Date: Thu Jun 21 22:08:55 2007 Subject: Console app problem after 10.4.10? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9EEDC14B-E268-4880-A38A-1C2151C8ED44@kreme.com> On 21-Jun-2007, at 21:16, R.L. Grigg wrote: > After applying the 10.4.10 OSX upgrade to a 2xG5 2GHz PPC PowerMac, > the Console application won't display the console or system log. It > used to. Hmm... Console displays for me, system never did (I don't run as an admin, of course) -- "Last night - you were unhinged. You were like some desperate, howling demon. You frightened me. - Do it again!" From newslists at autonomy.caltech.edu Fri Jun 22 09:16:40 2007 From: newslists at autonomy.caltech.edu (R.L. Grigg) Date: Fri Jun 22 09:16:50 2007 Subject: Console app problem after 10.4.10? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <68FA4FAD-4C26-4576-9EF9-E8F079C58D44@autonomy.caltech.edu> On Jun 21, 2007, at 8:37 PM, Christopher Wolf wrote: > Does quitting Console.app and moving aside ~/Library/Preferences/ > com.apple.Console.plist help? Yes! Now it works again! Thanks! Russ From lists at colorremedies.com Fri Jun 22 19:35:10 2007 From: lists at colorremedies.com (Chris Murphy) Date: Fri Jun 22 19:35:16 2007 Subject: nmblookup? Message-ID: <3B875870-C9AE-4B25-A06E-0D2837A20E63@colorremedies.com> Lately I'm noticing that after a couple days of uptime that I have PIDs around 25000. That's never happened before so I got suspicious of some process launching and quitting over and over again. As it turns out fs_usage snags nmblookup launching and quitting sometimes 4-5 times a minute, but then nothing for a few minutes, then more activity. It doesn't last long, a second or two. But based on the description I'm not clear on why it's behaving the way it is. Even with uptimes of 20-30 days on this laptop I might reach PIDs of around 9000. Anyway, it's DirectoryServices that's launching each instance of nmblookup. I just don't know why. 22:18:47 execve /usr/bin/ nmblookup 0.000094 DirectorySer 22:18:47 open ocking.framework/Versions/A/ ByteRangeLocking 0.000071 nmblookup I'm not using any software for Windows file sharing (client or server). So this is kindof goofy. Not sure what to make of it. Suggestions? Chris Murphy Color Remedies (TM) New York, NY ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Co-author "Real World Color Management, 2nd Ed" From patgmac at gmail.com Sat Jun 23 13:41:07 2007 From: patgmac at gmail.com (Patrick Gallagher) Date: Sat Jun 23 13:41:15 2007 Subject: Console app problem after 10.4.10? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1fffb2dc0706231341p7ab50456r23e5eb9aa2dcfd1@mail.gmail.com> On 6/21/07, R.L. Grigg wrote: > > After applying the 10.4.10 OSX upgrade to a 2xG5 2GHz PPC PowerMac, > the Console application won't display the console or system log. It > used to. There is no window displayed, even though under "Window" in > the menu bar I select console.log, system.log, or "Bring All to > Front". Theres a file /var/log/system.log but no /var/log/ > console.log. All I did was upgrade to 10.4.10 and it stopped working. Try repairing disk permissions. Your console.log is located in /Library/Logs/Console//console.log. Your console.log should only be readable (and writable) by you. -- Patrick Gallagher Emory College Computing Support From jerry.levan at eku.edu Sat Jun 23 17:11:10 2007 From: jerry.levan at eku.edu (Jerry LeVan) Date: Sat Jun 23 17:26:07 2007 Subject: How does Postfix get started? Message-ID: <2DF26D71-9646-4C08-9BCE-C498CE318A05@eku.edu> Hi, I just bought a Mac Book Pro, regrettably the Migration Assistant was not able to function with my setup). I have most of the stuff that I need moved to the MPB via brute force... One thing I found sorta mysterious was how the Postfix mail transfer agent actually got started. On my old G4, to the best of my knowledge, the critical step was to set: MAILSERVER=-YES- in /etc/hostconfig. ( And do some stuff with the config files...) When I tried to do the same on the MBP and rebooted, I found that postfix was not started. I went back and tried to find exactly where postfix gets started on the G4 during the boot process and could find no trace of how it get kicked off! ( I browsed the rc stuff in /etc and peeked at the startup items in /System/Library and /Library...) Of course I have spent the better part of two days getting the new MBP config'ed so fatigue might be playing a factor... The only way I could get postfix running on the MBP was to create a rc.local and stick the command: /usr/sbin/postfix start into the file. Can anyone enlighten me ie hit me with a clue stick on how postfix is supposed to be started? From jerry.levan at eku.edu Sat Jun 23 20:13:25 2007 From: jerry.levan at eku.edu (Jerry LeVan) Date: Sat Jun 23 20:08:53 2007 Subject: How does Postfix get started? References: <2DF26D71-9646-4C08-9BCE-C498CE318A05@eku.edu> Message-ID: <5145B813-956C-4E7C-8D67-C269450AA993@eku.edu> Begin forwarded message: > From: Jerry LeVan > Date: June 23, 2007 8:11:10 PM EDT > To: xadmin Admin > Subject: How does Postfix get started? > > Hi, > > I just bought a Mac Book Pro, regrettably the Migration Assistant > was not able to function with my setup). > > I have most of the stuff that I need moved to the MPB via > brute force... > > One thing I found sorta mysterious was how the Postfix mail > transfer agent actually got started. > > On my old G4, to the best of my knowledge, the critical > step was to set: > MAILSERVER=-YES- > in /etc/hostconfig. ( And do some stuff with the config files...) > > When I tried to do the same on the MBP and rebooted, I found that > postfix was not started. > > I went back and tried to find exactly where postfix gets started on > the G4 > during the boot process and could find no trace of how it get > kicked off! ( I browsed the rc stuff in /etc and peeked at the > startup items in /System/Library and /Library...) > > Of course I have spent the better part of two days getting the > new MBP config'ed so fatigue might be playing a factor... > > The only way I could get postfix running on the MBP was to > create a rc.local and stick the command: > /usr/sbin/postfix start > into the file. > > Can anyone enlighten me ie hit me with a clue stick on how > postfix is supposed to be started? I think I have the problem solved...It turns out that the files in /System/Library/LaunchDaemons are invisible in the finder. Navigating to the folder revealed and large number of launchd type files including org.postfix.master.plist. I edited org.postfix.master.plist on the MBP so that it matched the one on my G4. I commmented out the entry in the rc.local file and reboot On reboot the postfix "pickup" program was running and everything seems to be working... From newslists at autonomy.caltech.edu Tue Jun 26 10:29:58 2007 From: newslists at autonomy.caltech.edu (R.L. Grigg) Date: Tue Jun 26 10:30:10 2007 Subject: Keychain admin Message-ID: <36033FF4-D990-45B5-B518-12F029D907B1@autonomy.caltech.edu> My OSX user account was created with password XXXX. I changed it to YYYY in System Preferences. Now every 5? 10? minutes Safari keeps asking me again for my password from the keychain. Why it needs it I'll never know, but I have to give it my old password XXXX, not my current password YYYY. Someone told me to blow away my keychain but I'd like to know why it does this? I'm running OSX 10.4.10. Intel. Russ From mike at pinataperspective.com Tue Jun 26 17:43:24 2007 From: mike at pinataperspective.com (Mike Friedman) Date: Tue Jun 26 18:13:45 2007 Subject: How does Postfix get started? In-Reply-To: <5145B813-956C-4E7C-8D67-C269450AA993@eku.edu> References: <2DF26D71-9646-4C08-9BCE-C498CE318A05@eku.edu> <5145B813-956C-4E7C-8D67-C269450AA993@eku.edu> Message-ID: <8567EDB2-7BAA-4277-9B11-DBF23D4A0B06@pinataperspective.com> The program Postfix Enabler is about $10 and will allow you to configure a lot of the postfix behavior very easily. On Jun 23, 2007, at 8:13 PM, Jerry LeVan wrote: > > > Begin forwarded message: > >> From: Jerry LeVan >> Date: June 23, 2007 8:11:10 PM EDT >> To: xadmin Admin >> Subject: How does Postfix get started? >> >> Hi, >> >> I just bought a Mac Book Pro, regrettably the Migration Assistant >> was not able to function with my setup). >> >> I have most of the stuff that I need moved to the MPB via >> brute force... >> >> One thing I found sorta mysterious was how the Postfix mail >> transfer agent actually got started. >> >> On my old G4, to the best of my knowledge, the critical >> step was to set: >> MAILSERVER=-YES- >> in /etc/hostconfig. ( And do some stuff with the config files...) >> >> When I tried to do the same on the MBP and rebooted, I found that >> postfix was not started. >> >> I went back and tried to find exactly where postfix gets started >> on the G4 >> during the boot process and could find no trace of how it get >> kicked off! ( I browsed the rc stuff in /etc and peeked at the >> startup items in /System/Library and /Library...) >> >> Of course I have spent the better part of two days getting the >> new MBP config'ed so fatigue might be playing a factor... >> >> The only way I could get postfix running on the MBP was to >> create a rc.local and stick the command: >> /usr/sbin/postfix start >> into the file. >> >> Can anyone enlighten me ie hit me with a clue stick on how >> postfix is supposed to be started? > > I think I have the problem solved...It turns out that the files > in /System/Library/LaunchDaemons are invisible in the finder. > > Navigating to the folder revealed and large number of launchd type > files including org.postfix.master.plist. > > I edited org.postfix.master.plist on the MBP so that it matched the > one on my G4. I commmented out the entry in the rc.local file > and reboot > > On reboot the postfix "pickup" program was running and everything > seems to be working... > > > > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-admin mailing list > MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin > ======================================== "I was not always a bag lady, you know. I used to be a creative consultant. For big companies! Who do you think thought up the color scheme for Howard Johnson's? At the time, no one was using orange and aqua in the same room together. With fried clams." --Trudy (Lily Tomlin) from "The Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe" Mike Friedman San Francisco, CA From jerry.levan at eku.edu Tue Jun 26 18:21:58 2007 From: jerry.levan at eku.edu (Jerry LeVan) Date: Tue Jun 26 18:22:09 2007 Subject: How does Postfix get started? In-Reply-To: <8567EDB2-7BAA-4277-9B11-DBF23D4A0B06@pinataperspective.com> References: <2DF26D71-9646-4C08-9BCE-C498CE318A05@eku.edu> <5145B813-956C-4E7C-8D67-C269450AA993@eku.edu> <8567EDB2-7BAA-4277-9B11-DBF23D4A0B06@pinataperspective.com> Message-ID: I did get the rascal going... Anyway I think it is sorta silly to charge someone $10.00 for a wrapper around the postfix utilities. I guess I should not be complaining too much, back when my Mac was taller than wider, I wrote a couple of shareware programs. I eventually came across Unix and the notion of free software and feel much better giving my work away :) Jerry http://homepage.mac.com/levanj On Jun 26, 2007, at 8:43 PM, Mike Friedman wrote: > The program Postfix Enabler is about $10 and will allow you to > configure a lot of the postfix behavior very easily. > > > On Jun 23, 2007, at 8:13 PM, Jerry LeVan wrote: > >> >> >> Begin forwarded message: >> >>> From: Jerry LeVan >>> Date: June 23, 2007 8:11:10 PM EDT >>> To: xadmin Admin >>> Subject: How does Postfix get started? >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> I just bought a Mac Book Pro, regrettably the Migration Assistant >>> was not able to function with my setup). >>> >>> I have most of the stuff that I need moved to the MPB via >>> brute force... >>> >>> One thing I found sorta mysterious was how the Postfix mail >>> transfer agent actually got started. >>> >>> On my old G4, to the best of my knowledge, the critical >>> step was to set: >>> MAILSERVER=-YES- >>> in /etc/hostconfig. ( And do some stuff with the config files...) >>> >>> When I tried to do the same on the MBP and rebooted, I found that >>> postfix was not started. >>> >>> I went back and tried to find exactly where postfix gets started >>> on the G4 >>> during the boot process and could find no trace of how it get >>> kicked off! ( I browsed the rc stuff in /etc and peeked at the >>> startup items in /System/Library and /Library...) >>> >>> Of course I have spent the better part of two days getting the >>> new MBP config'ed so fatigue might be playing a factor... >>> >>> The only way I could get postfix running on the MBP was to >>> create a rc.local and stick the command: >>> /usr/sbin/postfix start >>> into the file. >>> >>> Can anyone enlighten me ie hit me with a clue stick on how >>> postfix is supposed to be started? >> >> I think I have the problem solved...It turns out that the files >> in /System/Library/LaunchDaemons are invisible in the finder. >> >> Navigating to the folder revealed and large number of launchd type >> files including org.postfix.master.plist. >> >> I edited org.postfix.master.plist on the MBP so that it matched the >> one on my G4. I commmented out the entry in the rc.local file >> and reboot >> >> On reboot the postfix "pickup" program was running and everything >> seems to be working... >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> MacOSX-admin mailing list >> MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com >> http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin >> > > > > > ======================================== > "I was not always a bag lady, you know. I used to be a creative > consultant. For big companies! Who do you think thought up the > color scheme for Howard Johnson's? At the time, no one was using > orange and aqua in the same room together. With fried clams." > --Trudy (Lily Tomlin) from "The Search for Signs of Intelligent > Life in the Universe" > > Mike Friedman > San Francisco, CA > > > From hmag at ozemail.com.au Wed Jun 27 02:08:34 2007 From: hmag at ozemail.com.au (Terry Allen) Date: Wed Jun 27 02:37:33 2007 Subject: How does Postfix get started? In-Reply-To: References: <2DF26D71-9646-4C08-9BCE-C498CE318A05@eku.edu> <5145B813-956C-4E7C-8D67-C269450AA993@eku.edu> <8567EDB2-7BAA-4277-9B11-DBF23D4A0B06@pinataperspective.com> Message-ID: >I did get the rascal going... > >Anyway I think it is sorta silly to charge someone $10.00 for a wrapper >around the postfix utilities. > >I guess I should not be complaining too much, back when my Mac was taller than >wider, I wrote a couple of shareware programs. > >I eventually came across Unix and the notion of free software and feel much >better giving my work away :) > >Jerry >http://homepage.mac.com/levanj > Hi again, It might seem silly, but it has gotten a lot of people out of trouble - $10 isn't much to ask for what is a fair bit of work to get going & I would guess pays for the hosting costs of such software. Personally I like the text editing approach to getting Postfix running, but for what it is, Postfix Enabler does a good job for people who don't have a massive idea of what they're doing. -- Bye for now, Terry Allen ___________________________________________________________________ hEARd Postal Address: hEARd, 26B Glenning Rd, Glenning Valley, NSW 2261, Australia Internet - WWW: http://heard.com.au http://itavservices.com EMAIL: hmag@ozemail.com.au Phone: Australia - 02 4388 1400 / International - + 61 2 43881400 Mobile: Australia - 04 28881400 / International - 61 4 28881400 ----------------------------------------------- Non profit promotion for new music - since 1994 ----------------------------------------------- From sglewis at mac.com Wed Jun 27 13:48:41 2007 From: sglewis at mac.com (Scott Lewis) Date: Wed Jun 27 13:48:52 2007 Subject: How does Postfix get started? In-Reply-To: References: <2DF26D71-9646-4C08-9BCE-C498CE318A05@eku.edu> <5145B813-956C-4E7C-8D67-C269450AA993@eku.edu> <8567EDB2-7BAA-4277-9B11-DBF23D4A0B06@pinataperspective.com> Message-ID: <224FEC69-0113-1000-95E7-5BBA5DC58022-Webmail-10018@mac.com> Agreed. If your needs are simple, it's cheaper and easier than buying a book at Amazon. On Wednesday, June 27, 2007, at 05:37AM, "Terry Allen" wrote: >>I did get the rascal going... >> >>Anyway I think it is sorta silly to charge someone $10.00 for a wrapper >>around the postfix utilities. >> >>I guess I should not be complaining too much, back when my Mac was taller than >>wider, I wrote a couple of shareware programs. >> >>I eventually came across Unix and the notion of free software and feel much >>better giving my work away :) >> >>Jerry >>http://homepage.mac.com/levanj >> >Hi again, > It might seem silly, but it has gotten a lot of people out of >trouble - $10 isn't much to ask for what is a fair bit of work to get >going & I would guess pays for the hosting costs of such software. > Personally I like the text editing approach to getting >Postfix running, but for what it is, Postfix Enabler does a good job >for people who don't have a massive idea of what they're doing. >-- > > Bye for now, Terry Allen > ___________________________________________________________________ >hEARd > >Postal Address: > hEARd, 26B Glenning Rd, Glenning Valley, NSW 2261, Australia >Internet - > WWW: http://heard.com.au http://itavservices.com >EMAIL: hmag@ozemail.com.au >Phone: Australia - 02 4388 1400 / International - + 61 2 43881400 >Mobile: Australia - 04 28881400 / International - 61 4 28881400 >----------------------------------------------- >Non profit promotion for new music - since 1994 >----------------------------------------------- >_______________________________________________ >MacOSX-admin mailing list >MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com >http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin > > From patgmac at gmail.com Wed Jun 27 18:14:40 2007 From: patgmac at gmail.com (Patrick Gallagher) Date: Wed Jun 27 18:14:48 2007 Subject: Keychain admin In-Reply-To: <36033FF4-D990-45B5-B518-12F029D907B1@autonomy.caltech.edu> References: <36033FF4-D990-45B5-B518-12F029D907B1@autonomy.caltech.edu> Message-ID: <1fffb2dc0706271814kbf76c95ye7185da710bb1316@mail.gmail.com> On 6/26/07, R.L. Grigg wrote: > > My OSX user account was created with password XXXX. I changed it to > YYYY in System Preferences. Now every 5? 10? minutes Safari keeps > asking me again for my password from the keychain. Why it needs it > I'll never know, but I have to give it my old password XXXX, not my > current password YYYY. Someone told me to blow away my keychain but > I'd like to know why it does this? Your account password and keychain password are no longer in sync. When you reset a password from another account or use the reset password utility on the CD, then the keychain password for that user does not get changed. The only way a password change will also update the keychain is if the user changes their own password from System Prefs while they are logged in. To fix it, you can change your keychain password to match in Keychain Access in /Applications/Utilities. -- Patrick Gallagher Emory College Computing Support From newslists at autonomy.caltech.edu Wed Jun 27 18:58:05 2007 From: newslists at autonomy.caltech.edu (R.L. Grigg) Date: Wed Jun 27 18:58:14 2007 Subject: Keychain admin In-Reply-To: <1fffb2dc0706271814kbf76c95ye7185da710bb1316@mail.gmail.com> References: <36033FF4-D990-45B5-B518-12F029D907B1@autonomy.caltech.edu> <1fffb2dc0706271814kbf76c95ye7185da710bb1316@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2DFD4ACE-03D4-40DE-986F-D11FF07A0A35@autonomy.caltech.edu> On Jun 27, 2007, at 6:14 PM, Patrick Gallagher wrote: > > On 6/26/07, R.L. Grigg wrote: > My OSX user account was created with password XXXX. I changed it to > YYYY in System Preferences. Now every 5? 10? minutes Safari keeps > asking me again for my password from the keychain. Why it needs it > I'll never know, but I have to give it my old password XXXX, not my > current password YYYY. Someone told me to blow away my keychain but > I'd like to know why it does this? > > Your account password and keychain password are no longer in sync. > When you reset a password from another account or use the reset > password utility on the CD, then the keychain password for that > user does not get changed. The only way a password change will also > update the keychain is if the user changes their own password from > System Prefs while they are logged in. Sounds like this is by design, but its ... unexpected. > > To fix it, you can change your keychain password to match in > Keychain Access in /Applications/Utilities. Done Thanks Russ > > From rpeskin at rlpcon.com Thu Jun 28 21:35:50 2007 From: rpeskin at rlpcon.com (Richard Peskin) Date: Thu Jun 28 21:36:09 2007 Subject: finding all Universal applications Message-ID: <94167FBD-1B59-410C-AF28-D31B7A32A89A@rlpcon.com> What is the best way to search through a file system to locate all files of kind "Application (Universal)". (I'm trying to locate only Universal apps to move to an Intel Mac.) thanks, --dick peskin ____________________________________ Richard L. Peskin, RLP Consulting, Londonderry, VT http://www.rlpcon.com http://www.caip.rutgers.edu/~peskin From mingfang at mac.com Thu Jun 28 21:50:13 2007 From: mingfang at mac.com (Ming Fang) Date: Thu Jun 28 21:50:21 2007 Subject: finding all Universal applications In-Reply-To: <94167FBD-1B59-410C-AF28-D31B7A32A89A@rlpcon.com> References: <94167FBD-1B59-410C-AF28-D31B7A32A89A@rlpcon.com> Message-ID: http://www.macworld.com/weblogs/macosxhints/2006/05/intelnative/ index.php?pf=1 On Jun 29, 2007, at 12:35 AM, Richard Peskin wrote: > What is the best way to search through a file system to locate all > files of kind "Application (Universal)". (I'm trying to locate only > Universal apps to move to an Intel Mac.) > thanks, > --dick peskin > > > > > > ____________________________________ > Richard L. Peskin, RLP Consulting, Londonderry, VT > http://www.rlpcon.com > http://www.caip.rutgers.edu/~peskin > > > > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-admin mailing list > MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin From chad+macosx at objectwerks.com Thu Jun 28 23:48:04 2007 From: chad+macosx at objectwerks.com (Chad Leigh) Date: Thu Jun 28 23:48:16 2007 Subject: address book bluetooth insisting on repairing Message-ID: <86626CF2-1EAC-4DE9-82F9-182DF6911B81@objectwerks.com> Hi I have my Nokia N80 paired with my G5 (tiger 10.4.9) and I can use iSync or the Bluetooth File Manager just fine. Pairing info is saved and the devices just work. However, when I attempt to turn on Bluetooth in the Address Book, it insists that I need to choose a new device to pair with. I choose the same device and it asks for a code to send to do the pairing. I type one in and it thinks it is successful (the phone never asks me) but then Bluetooth is turned off. What am I doing wrong and how can I get the Address Book Bluetooth stuff to work? Thanks Chad From david at idiomatrix.com Fri Jun 29 04:42:39 2007 From: david at idiomatrix.com (David Herren) Date: Fri Jun 29 04:43:12 2007 Subject: address book bluetooth insisting on repairing In-Reply-To: <86626CF2-1EAC-4DE9-82F9-182DF6911B81@objectwerks.com> References: <86626CF2-1EAC-4DE9-82F9-182DF6911B81@objectwerks.com> Message-ID: On Jun 29, 2007, at 2:48 AM, Chad Leigh wrote: > I have my Nokia N80 paired with my G5 (tiger 10.4.9) and I can use > iSync or the Bluetooth File Manager just fine. Pairing info is > saved and the devices just work. However, when I attempt to turn > on Bluetooth in the Address Book, it insists that I need to choose > a new device to pair with. I choose the same device and it asks > for a code to send to do the pairing. I type one in and it thinks > it is successful (the phone never asks me) but then Bluetooth is > turned off. > > What am I doing wrong and how can I get the Address Book Bluetooth > stuff to work? In a bizarre coincidence, I spent about 20 minutes yesterday evening trying to figure out exactly the same thing with my Moto SLVR. From what I see and read in Help, we _should_ be able to dial any contact in AddressBook, send and receive SMS, etc, once paired. I too can sync and move files back and forth, but none of the AddressBook stuff works and when ran the paring from within AddressBook, it disabled syncing, etc. If you find out what's on, please post to the list. /david -- david herren - shoreham, vt us na terra solsys orionarm "This foreign policy stuff is a little frustrating." - George W. Bush, as quoted by the New York Daily News, April 23rd, 2002