From donmontalvo at mac.com Sun Apr 1 08:47:49 2007 From: donmontalvo at mac.com (don montalvo) Date: Sun Apr 1 08:48:08 2007 Subject: MacOSX-admin Digest, Vol 39, Issue 26 In-Reply-To: <20070331190004.3CE4A151569@dynamic-www.omnigroup.com> References: <20070331190004.3CE4A151569@dynamic-www.omnigroup.com> Message-ID: <460FD425.1080304@mac.com> Shawn Erickson wrote: > My 1st rule of printers and all-in-ones... get network capable ones. > > -Shawn ...and avoid pcl (emulated postscript). stick to genuine postscript. don From donmontalvo at mac.com Sun Apr 1 08:48:13 2007 From: donmontalvo at mac.com (don montalvo) Date: Sun Apr 1 08:48:20 2007 Subject: HP C3180 In-Reply-To: <20070331190004.3CE4A151569@dynamic-www.omnigroup.com> References: <20070331190004.3CE4A151569@dynamic-www.omnigroup.com> Message-ID: <460FD43D.3060408@mac.com> Shawn Erickson wrote: > My 1st rule of printers and all-in-ones... get network capable ones. > > -Shawn ...and avoid pcl (emulated postscript). stick to genuine postscript. don From chad+macosx at objectwerks.com Sun Apr 1 10:29:17 2007 From: chad+macosx at objectwerks.com (Chad Leigh) Date: Sun Apr 1 10:29:28 2007 Subject: MacOSX-admin Digest, Vol 39, Issue 26 In-Reply-To: <460FD425.1080304@mac.com> References: <20070331190004.3CE4A151569@dynamic-www.omnigroup.com> <460FD425.1080304@mac.com> Message-ID: <6851B530-5497-41A7-A1E9-BF5950D89A97@objectwerks.com> On Apr 1, 2007, at 9:47 AM, don montalvo wrote: > Shawn Erickson wrote: > >> My 1st rule of printers and all-in-ones... get network capable ones. >> -Shawn > > ...and avoid pcl (emulated postscript). stick to genuine postscript. pcl is not emulated postscript. Emulated postscript exists (and works just fine, at least in the printer I had that used it), but PCL is something totally different Chad > > don > > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-admin mailing list > MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin From shoop at iwiring.net Sun Apr 1 15:26:07 2007 From: shoop at iwiring.net (Dan Shoop) Date: Sun Apr 1 15:26:17 2007 Subject: HP C3180 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 10:08 PM -0600 3/30/07, LuKreme wrote: >I have an HP C3180 that is connected to my Mac via a USB 2.0 Hub. >It works just fine when priting, but when I try to scan, the scanner >software cannot find the scanner/printer and I have to connect it >directly to the Mac, bypassing the hub. Get a USB powered switch instead. -- -dhan ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Dan Shoop AIM: iWiring Systems & Networks Architect http://www.ustsvs.com/ shoop@iwiring.net http://www.iwiring.net/ 1-714-363-1174 "The wise man doesn't give the right answers, he poses the right questions." -- Claude Levi-Strauss ------------------------------------------------------------------------ iWiring provides systems and networks support for Mac OS X, unix, and Open Source application technologies at affordable rates. From shoop at iwiring.net Sun Apr 1 15:27:32 2007 From: shoop at iwiring.net (Dan Shoop) Date: Sun Apr 1 15:27:41 2007 Subject: HP C3180 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 11:18 PM -0600 3/30/07, LuKreme wrote: >2xUSB hard drives, USB headset, Trackball, Card reader, UPS, 2x >printers, iPod... Ever hear of Bluetooth? Print servers? Firewire? ;) -- -dhan ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Dan Shoop AIM: iWiring Systems & Networks Architect http://www.ustsvs.com/ shoop@iwiring.net http://www.iwiring.net/ 1-714-363-1174 "The wise man doesn't give the right answers, he poses the right questions." -- Claude Levi-Strauss ------------------------------------------------------------------------ iWiring provides systems and networks support for Mac OS X, unix, and Open Source application technologies at affordable rates. From scott_ribe at killerbytes.com Sun Apr 1 15:46:55 2007 From: scott_ribe at killerbytes.com (Scott Ribe) Date: Sun Apr 1 15:47:02 2007 Subject: What causes a reboot to stall for 10-30 minutes??? Message-ID: Note: this is not immediately after an OS upgrade. It's just every time I reboot, for any reason, starting about a week ago. The system.log is not all that helpful: Apr 1 17:19:00 dhcp-2208-15374 sudo: admin : TTY=ttyp3 ; PWD=/Library/LaunchDaemons ; USER=root ; COMMAND=/sbin/reboot Apr 1 17:19:00 dhcp-2208-15374 reboot: rebooted by admin Apr 1 17:29:45 localhost kernel[0]: standard timeslicing quantum is 10000 us Yeah, I noticed the 10-minute gap, thank you very much, how about some info as to why ;-) -- Scott Ribe scott_ribe@killerbytes.com http://www.killerbytes.com/ (303) 722-0567 voice From chad+macosx at objectwerks.com Sun Apr 1 17:33:00 2007 From: chad+macosx at objectwerks.com (Chad Leigh) Date: Sun Apr 1 17:33:12 2007 Subject: What causes a reboot to stall for 10-30 minutes??? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Apr 1, 2007, at 4:46 PM, Scott Ribe wrote: > Note: this is not immediately after an OS upgrade. It's just every > time I > reboot, for any reason, starting about a week ago. The system.log > is not all > that helpful: > > Apr 1 17:19:00 dhcp-2208-15374 sudo: admin : TTY=ttyp3 ; > PWD=/Library/LaunchDaemons ; USER=root ; COMMAND=/sbin/reboot > Apr 1 17:19:00 dhcp-2208-15374 reboot: rebooted by admin > Apr 1 17:29:45 localhost kernel[0]: standard timeslicing quantum > is 10000 > us > > Yeah, I noticed the 10-minute gap, thank you very much, how about > some info > as to why ;-) > Have you tried a verbose boot? Chad From amorton at fastmail.fm Sun Apr 1 17:59:33 2007 From: amorton at fastmail.fm (Anthony Morton) Date: Sun Apr 1 17:59:42 2007 Subject: What causes a reboot to stall for 10-30 minutes??? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <6B65D2F0-E0B5-11DB-AE02-0003931D89F6@fastmail.fm> > Yeah, I noticed the 10-minute gap, thank you very much, how about some > info as to why ;-) This has been happening sporadically on my TiBook for as long as I can remember. It typically gets shut down at night and started up in the morning, and about once every 2 weeks or so it spends 20 minutes on something. I always presumed it was deciding to do an 'fsck' for some reason, since that takes the same length of time and has a similar pattern of disk activity. But there was no indication of an abnormal shutdown prior to this: I guessed it was just a routine thing it did from time to time. Tony From donmontalvo at mac.com Sun Apr 1 18:12:53 2007 From: donmontalvo at mac.com (don montalvo) Date: Sun Apr 1 18:13:04 2007 Subject: MacOSX-admin Digest, Vol 39, Issue 26 In-Reply-To: <6851B530-5497-41A7-A1E9-BF5950D89A97@objectwerks.com> References: <20070331190004.3CE4A151569@dynamic-www.omnigroup.com> <460FD425.1080304@mac.com> <6851B530-5497-41A7-A1E9-BF5950D89A97@objectwerks.com> Message-ID: <46105895.2050808@mac.com> Chad Leigh wrote: > On Apr 1, 2007, at 9:47 AM, don montalvo wrote: > >> Shawn Erickson wrote: >> >>> My 1st rule of printers and all-in-ones... get network capable ones. >>> -Shawn >> ...and avoid pcl (emulated postscript). stick to genuine postscript. > > pcl is not emulated postscript. Emulated postscript exists (and > works just fine, at least in the printer I had that used it), but PCL > is something totally different > > Chad > >> don you're right, i should have said "pcl (and emulated postscript)". but how you define "works just fine"? :) i would never recommend emulation for a design/graphics/prepress environment. too problematic and risky, especially when working with complex postscript files (quarkxpress, indesign, etc.). hp printers are cheaper so some design shops buy them thinking they're "ok" because they can't get past the price tag. hp USED to use real postscript but dropped it to lower cost and increase profit margin...and in the process threw a huge wrench into the design/graphics/prepress machine. don -- don montalvo, nyc 917-559-5713 donmontalvo@mac.com http://donmontalvo.com ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "live is like riding a bicycle. to keep your balance you must keep moving" -albert einstein From scott_ribe at killerbytes.com Sun Apr 1 18:22:59 2007 From: scott_ribe at killerbytes.com (Scott Ribe) Date: Sun Apr 1 18:23:07 2007 Subject: What causes a reboot to stall for 10-30 minutes??? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Have you tried a verbose boot? No. The system is remote. Next time I'm on site, I'll look into that. -- Scott Ribe scott_ribe@killerbytes.com http://www.killerbytes.com/ (303) 722-0567 voice From scott_ribe at killerbytes.com Sun Apr 1 18:39:22 2007 From: scott_ribe at killerbytes.com (Scott Ribe) Date: Sun Apr 1 18:39:28 2007 Subject: MacOSX-admin Digest, Vol 39, Issue 26 In-Reply-To: <46105895.2050808@mac.com> Message-ID: > hp USED to use real postscript but dropped it to lower cost and increase > profit margin...and in the process threw a huge wrench into the > design/graphics/prepress machine. Yeah, and now their performance on even SIMPLE print jobs from OS X varies wildly from one model to the next. -- Scott Ribe scott_ribe@killerbytes.com http://www.killerbytes.com/ (303) 722-0567 voice From donmontalvo at mac.com Sun Apr 1 18:51:57 2007 From: donmontalvo at mac.com (don montalvo) Date: Sun Apr 1 18:52:07 2007 Subject: MacOSX-admin Digest, Vol 39, Issue 26 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <461061BD.60909@mac.com> Scott Ribe wrote: >> hp USED to use real postscript but dropped it to lower cost and increase >> profit margin...and in the process threw a huge wrench into the >> design/graphics/prepress machine. > > Yeah, and now their performance on even SIMPLE print jobs from OS X varies > wildly from one model to the next. yep, so imagine the havoc a quarkxpress document with placed pdfs can cause - i've seen hp rips hang and require a reboot. i've seen folks use hp for fpo (for position only) and get burned when proper output from vendor's real postscript rips don't match. don't get me wrong, i have a cheap brother that doesn't do real postscript - it's doing a great job at home. ;) don -- don montalvo, nyc 917-559-5713 donmontalvo@mac.com http://donmontalvo.com ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "live is like riding a bicycle. to keep your balance you must keep moving" -albert einstein From scott_ribe at killerbytes.com Sun Apr 1 18:53:27 2007 From: scott_ribe at killerbytes.com (Scott Ribe) Date: Sun Apr 1 18:53:31 2007 Subject: App updaters Message-ID: Recommendations on a tool for producing delta updaters? My primary concern is updater size, because having *1* user with a horrible internet connection. -- Scott Ribe scott_ribe@killerbytes.com http://www.killerbytes.com/ (303) 722-0567 voice From chad+macosx at objectwerks.com Sun Apr 1 18:55:40 2007 From: chad+macosx at objectwerks.com (Chad Leigh) Date: Sun Apr 1 18:55:43 2007 Subject: MacOSX-admin Digest, Vol 39, Issue 26 In-Reply-To: <46105895.2050808@mac.com> References: <20070331190004.3CE4A151569@dynamic-www.omnigroup.com> <460FD425.1080304@mac.com> <6851B530-5497-41A7-A1E9-BF5950D89A97@objectwerks.com> <46105895.2050808@mac.com> Message-ID: <57736BB0-5A2E-497B-B0FC-C1F16E9BD5FE@objectwerks.com> On Apr 1, 2007, at 7:12 PM, don montalvo wrote: > Chad Leigh wrote: >> On Apr 1, 2007, at 9:47 AM, don montalvo wrote: >>> Shawn Erickson wrote: >>> >>>> My 1st rule of printers and all-in-ones... get network capable >>>> ones. >>>> -Shawn >>> ...and avoid pcl (emulated postscript). stick to genuine postscript. >> pcl is not emulated postscript. Emulated postscript exists (and >> works just fine, at least in the printer I had that used it), but >> PCL is something totally different >> Chad >>> don > > you're right, i should have said "pcl (and emulated postscript)". > but how you define "works just fine"? :) i would never recommend > emulation for a design/graphics/prepress environment. Your original statement was not constrained by "design/graphics/ prepress environment." I have never NOT had a job print and print in a reasonable amount of time with the fake PS found in my HP printer. I am not in "design/graphics/prepress environment" and for my needs it seems to work just fine. I probably would have a more expensive and capable printer if I was in the fields you mentioned, but for every day use the HP 2100tn has been a real workhorse since 1999, and it gets a lot of use. Since the original topic was MFD, your "design/graphics/prepress environment" was irrelevant anyway as those fields would never rely on a MFD for their output. Chad > too problematic and risky, especially when working with complex > postscript files (quarkxpress, indesign, etc.). hp printers are > cheaper so some design shops buy them thinking they're "ok" because > they can't get past the price tag. hp USED to use real postscript > but dropped it to lower cost and increase profit margin...and in > the process threw a huge wrench into the design/graphics/prepress > machine. > > don > > -- > don montalvo, nyc > 917-559-5713 > donmontalvo@mac.com > http://donmontalvo.com > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > "live is like riding a bicycle. to keep your > balance you must keep moving" -albert einstein > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-admin mailing list > MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin From jwelch at bynkii.com Sun Apr 1 18:56:09 2007 From: jwelch at bynkii.com (John C. Welch) Date: Sun Apr 1 18:56:36 2007 Subject: App updaters In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 4/1/07 20:53, "Scott Ribe" wrote: > Recommendations on a tool for producing delta updaters? My primary concern > is updater size, because having *1* user with a horrible internet > connection. If it's for one user, in all seriousness, USPS and a DVD mailer. Once a month, costs you a few bucks, and kicks the heck out of any ISP's bandwidth. The latency kinda blows, but the bandwidth is scrumdilisious. -- John C. Welch Writer/Analyst Bynkii.com Mac and other opinions jwelch@bynkii.com From chad+macosx at objectwerks.com Sun Apr 1 18:57:17 2007 From: chad+macosx at objectwerks.com (Chad Leigh) Date: Sun Apr 1 18:57:22 2007 Subject: MacOSX-admin Digest, Vol 39, Issue 26 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Apr 1, 2007, at 7:39 PM, Scott Ribe wrote: >> hp USED to use real postscript but dropped it to lower cost and >> increase >> profit margin...and in the process threw a huge wrench into the >> design/graphics/prepress machine. > > Yeah, and now their performance on even SIMPLE print jobs from OS X > varies > wildly from one model to the next. My HP 2100tn is quite fast. Works for me and I suspect would work for most people who are not requiring the needs of very high end stuff. You buy a $150 printer and you get $150 worth of performance. You buy an $800 printer, and you get $800 worth of performance. Chad From jwelch at bynkii.com Sun Apr 1 18:58:23 2007 From: jwelch at bynkii.com (John C. Welch) Date: Sun Apr 1 18:58:32 2007 Subject: MacOSX-admin Digest, Vol 39, Issue 26 In-Reply-To: <57736BB0-5A2E-497B-B0FC-C1F16E9BD5FE@objectwerks.com> Message-ID: On 4/1/07 20:55, "Chad Leigh" wrote: >>>>> My 1st rule of printers and all-in-ones... get network capable >>>>> ones. >>>>> -Shawn >>>> ...and avoid pcl (emulated postscript). stick to genuine postscript. >>> pcl is not emulated postscript. Emulated postscript exists (and >>> works just fine, at least in the printer I had that used it), but >>> PCL is something totally different >>> Chad >>>> don >> >> you're right, i should have said "pcl (and emulated postscript)". >> but how you define "works just fine"? :) i would never recommend >> emulation for a design/graphics/prepress environment. > > Your original statement was not constrained by "design/graphics/ > prepress environment." I have never NOT had a job print and print in > a reasonable amount of time with the fake PS found in my HP printer. > I am not in "design/graphics/prepress environment" and for my needs > it seems to work just fine. I probably would have a more expensive > and capable printer if I was in the fields you mentioned, but for > every day use the HP 2100tn has been a real workhorse since 1999, and > it gets a lot of use. > > Since the original topic was MFD, your "design/graphics/prepress > environment" was irrelevant anyway as those fields would never rely > on a MFD for their output. The only real beef I have with MFDs is that for some reason, duplexing on a laser MFD is reserved for the real high-end devices. Like "can handle 100 people" - level toys. But, if you don't mind a bit overblown, Konica Minolta makes some nice ones. -- John C. Welch Writer/Analyst Bynkii.com Mac and other opinions jwelch@bynkii.com From grail at goldweb.com.au Sun Apr 1 19:24:46 2007 From: grail at goldweb.com.au (Alex Satrapa) Date: Sun Apr 1 19:24:59 2007 Subject: Emulated PostScript (was Re: MacOSX-admin Digest, Vol 39, Issue 26) In-Reply-To: <46105895.2050808@mac.com> References: <20070331190004.3CE4A151569@dynamic-www.omnigroup.com> <460FD425.1080304@mac.com> <6851B530-5497-41A7-A1E9-BF5950D89A97@objectwerks.com> <46105895.2050808@mac.com> Message-ID: On 02/04/2007, at 11:12 , don montalvo wrote: > you're right, i should have said "pcl (and emulated postscript)". > but how you define "works just fine"? :) i would never recommend > emulation for a design/graphics/prepress environment. My experience with emulated PostScript printers has been abysmal. They work for simple text documents just beautifully. They work for simple pictures just beautifully. Then you throw something serious like a 60-page PhD thesis (complex layout, photos, line art, charts) and they end up stalling or corrupting the output - some printers choke because the PostScript file is too big (16MB in one case), others choke up until the point we remove specific pages (or even a single picture). In the meantime I'm building up a lovely collection of PDFs with which to test any future purchase candidates. If the vendor won't provide a sample device to test, I won't buy it. With printers, it's really a case of you don't get what you don't pay for. Alex From scott_ribe at killerbytes.com Sun Apr 1 19:27:24 2007 From: scott_ribe at killerbytes.com (Scott Ribe) Date: Sun Apr 1 19:27:29 2007 Subject: MacOSX-admin Digest, Vol 39, Issue 26 In-Reply-To: <57736BB0-5A2E-497B-B0FC-C1F16E9BD5FE@objectwerks.com> Message-ID: > I have never NOT had a job print and print in > a reasonable amount of time with the fake PS found in my HP printer. I have. Simple jobs, too. And as I said, it varies wildly printer to printer. A 1220 spits the job out in a few seconds while a 1320 blinks for ~20 minutes before giving up with an error. While a 5si will print or not depending on the exact entries on the form. And so on... -- Scott Ribe scott_ribe@killerbytes.com http://www.killerbytes.com/ (303) 722-0567 voice From scott_ribe at killerbytes.com Sun Apr 1 19:29:29 2007 From: scott_ribe at killerbytes.com (Scott Ribe) Date: Sun Apr 1 19:29:33 2007 Subject: App updaters In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > If it's for one user, in all seriousness, USPS and a DVD mailer. Once a > month, costs you a few bucks, and kicks the heck out of any ISP's bandwidth. > > The latency kinda blows, but the bandwidth is scrumdilisious. I should have mentioned that I need to get her near-daily updates during a short wringing-out-of-a-major-release phase. I have used FedEx, and it does suffice under normal circumstances, but right now I'm looking for a low-latency option ;-) -- Scott Ribe scott_ribe@killerbytes.com http://www.killerbytes.com/ (303) 722-0567 voice From mrhatken at mac.com Sun Apr 1 19:45:17 2007 From: mrhatken at mac.com (Ashley Aitken) Date: Sun Apr 1 19:40:28 2007 Subject: Emulated PostScript (was Re: MacOSX-admin Digest, Vol 39, Issue 26) In-Reply-To: References: <20070331190004.3CE4A151569@dynamic-www.omnigroup.com> <460FD425.1080304@mac.com> <6851B530-5497-41A7-A1E9-BF5950D89A97@objectwerks.com> <46105895.2050808@mac.com> Message-ID: <51D14084-524C-4928-9A58-754E3037ACB6@mac.com> Hi Alex (et al.), On 02/04/2007, at 10:24 AM, Alex Satrapa wrote: > On 02/04/2007, at 11:12 , don montalvo wrote: > >> you're right, i should have said "pcl (and emulated postscript)". >> but how you define "works just fine"? :) i would never recommend >> emulation for a design/graphics/prepress environment. > > My experience with emulated PostScript printers has been abysmal. > They work for simple text documents just beautifully. They work for > simple pictures just beautifully. Then you throw something serious > like a 60-page PhD thesis (complex layout, photos, line art, > charts) and they end up stalling or corrupting the output - some > printers choke because the PostScript file is too big (16MB in one > case), I'm not sure stalling (slowing down) or choking (running out of memory?) because the PostScript file is too big or too complicated is really a problem with the Emulated Postscript? > others choke up until the point we remove specific pages (or even a > single picture). Failing to print (choking?) valid postscript or printing the postscript incorrectly would most likely be a problem with the Emulated Postscript. My understanding is that there is a PostScript specification defined by Adobe. Adobe also provides an implementation of the PostScript specification, which I will call "Adobe PostScript", for their apps and printer companies that are prepared to pay (more). Other vendors provide cheaper implementations of the Postscript specification, which are generally called "Emulated PostScript" (since there can be more than one implementation from different vendors). Of course, a third party may misunderstand the specification or implement it poorly or incorrectly, just as Adobe may (although you would hope that Adobe would generally do a better job). The reality is, I believe, that the "Adobe PostScript" implementation used in high-end publishing/printing apps and printers actually defines the real complete specification and is the real standard. As a result, Adobe always wins. Doesn't mean they are right and the others are wrong though. Cheers, Ashley. -- Ashley Aitken Perth, Western Australia mrhatken at mac dot com Skype Name: MrHatken (GMT + 8 Hours!) From donmontalvo at mac.com Sun Apr 1 19:59:24 2007 From: donmontalvo at mac.com (don montalvo) Date: Sun Apr 1 19:59:44 2007 Subject: MacOSX-admin Digest, Vol 39, Issue 26 In-Reply-To: <57736BB0-5A2E-497B-B0FC-C1F16E9BD5FE@objectwerks.com> References: <20070331190004.3CE4A151569@dynamic-www.omnigroup.com> <460FD425.1080304@mac.com> <6851B530-5497-41A7-A1E9-BF5950D89A97@objectwerks.com> <46105895.2050808@mac.com> <57736BB0-5A2E-497B-B0FC-C1F16E9BD5FE@objectwerks.com> Message-ID: <4610718C.506@mac.com> Chad Leigh wrote: > those fields would never rely on a MFD for their output. > > Chad you'd be surprised what designers bring into a service bureau, and/or what they use for fpo output: :) don From donmontalvo at mac.com Sun Apr 1 20:01:17 2007 From: donmontalvo at mac.com (don montalvo) Date: Sun Apr 1 20:01:27 2007 Subject: MacOSX-admin Digest, Vol 39, Issue 26 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <461071FD.1040809@mac.com> Scott Ribe wrote: >> I have never NOT had a job print and print in >> a reasonable amount of time with the fake PS found in my HP printer. > > I have. Simple jobs, too. And as I said, it varies wildly printer to > printer. A 1220 spits the job out in a few seconds while a 1320 blinks for > ~20 minutes before giving up with an error. While a 5si will print or not > depending on the exact entries on the form. And so on... we have a client who built a prepress workflow environment and spec'd out hp color laserjet printers. they run into all sorts of output problems. most recently, quarkxpress documents with placed pdfs. rip goes south requiring a reboot to respond again. :) -- don montalvo, nyc 917-559-5713 donmontalvo@mac.com http://donmontalvo.com ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "live is like riding a bicycle. to keep your balance you must keep moving" -albert einstein From kremels at kreme.com Sun Apr 1 20:53:46 2007 From: kremels at kreme.com (LuKreme) Date: Sun Apr 1 20:54:07 2007 Subject: HP C3180 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <555B33CE-8160-4EDB-BEBC-84FE81BDEC6B@kreme.com> On 1-Apr-2007, at 16:26, Dan Shoop wrote: > At 10:08 PM -0600 3/30/07, LuKreme wrote: >> I have an HP C3180 that is connected to my Mac via a USB 2.0 Hub. >> It works just fine when priting, but when I try to scan, the >> scanner software cannot find the scanner/printer and I have to >> connect it directly to the Mac, bypassing the hub. > > Get a USB powered switch instead. What is the difference between a powered switch and a powered hub? As for BT and Firewire, there are very few firewire devices out there. My 3G iPod is on firewire, and I used to have a firewire HD case, but it crapped out. The keyboard is BT, but Logitech does not make a BT Trackman. 6-8 USB devices is not uncommon, and most people seems to simply do a USB shuffle (OK, I want to scan, so let's uplug the printer and plugin the scanner. Hooking up the iPod? OK, we don't need the card reader... &c) -- Yeah, Nick. Nick's the kinda guy you can trust. Nick's your buddy. Nick's the kinda guy you drink beers with. The kinda guy that doesn't care if you puke in his car. Nick. From kremels at kreme.com Sun Apr 1 21:00:35 2007 From: kremels at kreme.com (LuKreme) Date: Sun Apr 1 21:00:55 2007 Subject: MacOSX-admin Digest, Vol 39, Issue 26 In-Reply-To: <46105895.2050808@mac.com> References: <20070331190004.3CE4A151569@dynamic-www.omnigroup.com> <460FD425.1080304@mac.com> <6851B530-5497-41A7-A1E9-BF5950D89A97@objectwerks.com> <46105895.2050808@mac.com> Message-ID: On 1-Apr-2007, at 19:12, don montalvo wrote: > Chad Leigh wrote: >> On Apr 1, 2007, at 9:47 AM, don montalvo wrote: >>> Shawn Erickson wrote: >>>> My 1st rule of printers and all-in-ones... get network capable >>>> ones. >>> ...and avoid pcl (emulated postscript). stick to genuine postscript. >> pcl is not emulated postscript. Emulated postscript exists (and >> works just fine, at least in the printer I had that used it) > you're right, i should have said "pcl (and emulated postscript)". > but how you define "works just fine"? Works just fine for 99% of people. > :) i would never recommend emulation for a design/graphics/prepress > environment Yes, but 99% of people are not in design/graphics/prepress environments. Fact is, PCL is just fine. -- "He sees the good in every one. No one would ever take him for a clergyman." Lucy Honeychurch From huntc at internode.on.net Sun Apr 1 21:36:20 2007 From: huntc at internode.on.net (Christopher Hunt) Date: Sun Apr 1 21:36:31 2007 Subject: Display colorsync profile remains unapplied? In-Reply-To: <7C502B26-F70A-4F29-AF3B-48D042F0B1E3@colorremedies.com> References: <63F8A91C-2DF6-4D5F-9826-3FE5F161BBA7@internode.on.net> <5bbc0cd60703210931k12992eadx2dbaa9bf4786409f@mail.gmail.com> <14BA888B-1EC8-4B11-9E33-224CC9680ABC@internode.on.net> <90664C06-FE9F-441A-8630-43D66E2B97C3@internode.on.net> <460C147D-F2C1-4294-BDAB-BEB970E78EF9@internode.on.net> <81C5712E-B0BF-4A1B-A4E1-370F19396C32@autonomy.caltech.edu> <450BD80C-9FEA-47E5-9F82-2A72E89B517F@autonomy.caltech.edu> <17202DC8-41CE-4BFE-A99C-5CD8B4261B52@internode.on.net> <1F0B0B35-9278-40C7-B8BD-F61652416A87@internode.on.net> <7C502B26-F70A-4F29-AF3B-48D042F0B1E3@colorremedies.com> Message-ID: <29268715-4157-4C6F-BE69-87279C5FF476@internode.on.net> I've managed to log on to the actual computer, into the specific user involved, and obtain the ColorSync profile in use for each display. I ended up using the ColorSync utility to obtain this information. According to the ColorSync utility both displays are using the same profile. Thus I think I have done everything now possible to ensure that the Mac is configured correctly. However I've also learnt today that the "brighter" and different coloured display also has a 4500 ANSI bulb while the other one only has a 3000. :-) Apparently the 3000 one is also "on its way out". So, I think all of my troubles have been associated with different bulbs and the age of the projectors in use. Thanks to all of you that have been part of this dialogue. I've definitely learnt a great deal about display management along the way so I hope that others will have found this useful. Kind regards, Christopher From grail at goldweb.com.au Sun Apr 1 22:30:41 2007 From: grail at goldweb.com.au (Alex Satrapa) Date: Sun Apr 1 22:30:47 2007 Subject: Emulated PostScript (was Re: MacOSX-admin Digest, Vol 39, Issue 26) In-Reply-To: <51D14084-524C-4928-9A58-754E3037ACB6@mac.com> References: <20070331190004.3CE4A151569@dynamic-www.omnigroup.com> <460FD425.1080304@mac.com> <6851B530-5497-41A7-A1E9-BF5950D89A97@objectwerks.com> <46105895.2050808@mac.com> <51D14084-524C-4928-9A58-754E3037ACB6@mac.com> Message-ID: <87EBB7FB-19D0-4C5D-B480-F802AE36D81F@goldweb.com.au> On 02/04/2007, at 12:45 , Ashley Aitken wrote: > I'm not sure stalling (slowing down) or choking (running out of > memory?) because the PostScript file is too big or too complicated > is really a problem with the Emulated Postscript? The hint that I wanted to give to people reading this list was mainly that you shouldn't just buy a printer. Make sure the person selling it to you is committed enough to supporting it that they will let you print some sample documents from your past history. Then when you find a document that chokes your current printer, add it to the list of documents to use when testing the next printer you plan to purchase. Of course, this printer selection plan fails abysmally when choosing sub-$2k printers since you're dealing with retail staff who are more concerned with moving boxes out the door than understanding a customer's needs. At which point, you go to a mailing list and ask for people's advice about which low-end printer will work best for your needs, and be prepared to accept that you'll find some documents that just won't print on your gleaming new laser printer, leaving you to find out which feature of your document is causing the problem. Alex PS: I subscribe to this list mailing list, so if you hit "reply all", please take me out of the To: or CC: fields! From chad+macosx at objectwerks.com Sun Apr 1 22:37:33 2007 From: chad+macosx at objectwerks.com (Chad Leigh) Date: Sun Apr 1 22:37:37 2007 Subject: Emulated PostScript (was Re: MacOSX-admin Digest, Vol 39, Issue 26) In-Reply-To: <87EBB7FB-19D0-4C5D-B480-F802AE36D81F@goldweb.com.au> References: <20070331190004.3CE4A151569@dynamic-www.omnigroup.com> <460FD425.1080304@mac.com> <6851B530-5497-41A7-A1E9-BF5950D89A97@objectwerks.com> <46105895.2050808@mac.com> <51D14084-524C-4928-9A58-754E3037ACB6@mac.com> <87EBB7FB-19D0-4C5D-B480-F802AE36D81F@goldweb.com.au> Message-ID: <9EBD9AC2-892F-4598-98E1-CDE856CD4FF7@objectwerks.com> On Apr 1, 2007, at 11:30 PM, Alex Satrapa wrote: > On 02/04/2007, at 12:45 , Ashley Aitken wrote: > >> I'm not sure stalling (slowing down) or choking (running out of >> memory?) because the PostScript file is too big or too complicated >> is really a problem with the Emulated Postscript? > > The hint that I wanted to give to people reading this list was > mainly that you shouldn't just buy a printer. Make sure the person > selling it to you is committed enough to supporting it that they > will let you print some sample documents from your past history. > Then when you find a document that chokes your current printer, add > it to the list of documents to use when testing the next printer > you plan to purchase. You need to make sure it is the printer's fault, and not a lack of memory or something. Some printers may choke on complicated print jobs because the default memory is insufficient, but would have no problem with the job if they had more memoy. I always buy extra memory with my printers. My Konica Minolta color laser was maxed out to 640MB and my HP 2100tn (1999 printer) was maxed out to 40MB. Never had any job of any complexity choke either one. Chad > > Of course, this printer selection plan fails abysmally when > choosing sub-$2k printers since you're dealing with retail staff > who are more concerned with moving boxes out the door than > understanding a customer's needs. At which point, you go to a > mailing list and ask for people's advice about which low-end > printer will work best for your needs, and be prepared to accept > that you'll find some documents that just won't print on your > gleaming new laser printer, leaving you to find out which feature > of your document is causing the problem. > > Alex > PS: I subscribe to this list mailing list, so if you hit "reply > all", please take me out of the To: or CC: fields! > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-admin mailing list > MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin From scott_ribe at killerbytes.com Mon Apr 2 06:39:27 2007 From: scott_ribe at killerbytes.com (Scott Ribe) Date: Mon Apr 2 06:39:42 2007 Subject: MacOSX-admin Digest, Vol 39, Issue 26 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Works just fine for 99% of people. I don't define: "refusing to print a not-complex page" as "works fine for 99% of people". HP printers are a crap shoot now. Many of them do work well enough for most people. Some, however, are just pathetic. Same comment seems to apply to Brother. And the ones that work better are not necessarily the more expensive ones. -- Scott Ribe scott_ribe@killerbytes.com http://www.killerbytes.com/ (303) 722-0567 voice From shoop at iwiring.net Mon Apr 2 11:13:55 2007 From: shoop at iwiring.net (Dan Shoop) Date: Mon Apr 2 11:14:09 2007 Subject: HP C3180 In-Reply-To: <555B33CE-8160-4EDB-BEBC-84FE81BDEC6B@kreme.com> References: <555B33CE-8160-4EDB-BEBC-84FE81BDEC6B@kreme.com> Message-ID: At 9:53 PM -0600 4/1/07, LuKreme wrote: >On 1-Apr-2007, at 16:26, Dan Shoop wrote: >>At 10:08 PM -0600 3/30/07, LuKreme wrote: >>>I have an HP C3180 that is connected to my Mac via a USB 2.0 Hub. >>>It works just fine when priting, but when I try to scan, the >>>scanner software cannot find the scanner/printer and I have to >>>connect it directly to the Mac, bypassing the hub. >> >>Get a USB powered switch instead. > >What is the difference between a powered switch and a powered hub? One switches, the other just connects everything. >As for BT and Firewire, there are very few firewire devices out there. Huh? > My 3G iPod is on firewire, and I used to have a firewire HD case, >but it crapped out. The keyboard is BT, but Logitech does not make >a BT Trackman. But other vendors make BT devices too. -- -dhan ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Dan Shoop AIM: iWiring Systems & Networks Architect http://www.ustsvs.com/ shoop@iwiring.net http://www.iwiring.net/ 1-714-363-1174 "The wise man doesn't give the right answers, he poses the right questions." -- Claude Levi-Strauss ------------------------------------------------------------------------ iWiring provides systems and networks support for Mac OS X, unix, and Open Source application technologies at affordable rates. From heavyboots2k at yahoo.com Mon Apr 2 13:30:35 2007 From: heavyboots2k at yahoo.com (Eric Taylor) Date: Mon Apr 2 13:30:40 2007 Subject: HP C3180 In-Reply-To: <20070402190004.16EE41520EE@dynamic-www.omnigroup.com> Message-ID: <805595.85223.qm@web33303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Sort of OT, but since this subject is near and dear to my heart... FWIW, I have to agree with Scott on this one. Our HP 5100's will crash just printing a page from Safari that has *colored text* in it! This is not an ideal situation, particularly as we are a print production studio working in Adobe products 90% of the time. Basically, since OS X is so dependent on the PDF format, I would be reluctant to get anything again that did not do true Adobe postscript. The Xerox Phaser 5500, which is one of the few remaining tabloid size printers I could find that still uses true Adobe postscript prints incredibly quickly and reliably by comparison. In particular with regards to HP 5100's (and possibly other HP printers using a similar emulator?), you could try sending the job sans color. As long as we remember to change the output optionsin ID to "Send Composite Grayscale", they are fairly reliable, although some pages will print incredibly slowly--to the tune of 5-10 minutes per page. Don't know if this tweak is useful across the board with HPs, but it can't hurt to try... macosx-admin-request@omnigroup.com wrote: From: Scott Ribe CC: To: LuKreme , Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2007 07:39:27 -0600 Subject: Re: MacOSX-admin Digest, Vol 39, Issue 26 > Works just fine for 99% of people. I don't define: "refusing to print a not-complex page" as "works fine for 99% of people". HP printers are a crap shoot now. Many of them do work well enough for most people. Some, however, are just pathetic. Same comment seems to apply to Brother. And the ones that work better are not necessarily the more expensive ones. -- Scott Ribe scott_ribe@killerbytes.com http://www.killerbytes.com/ (303) 722-0567 voice ... I was thinking of the immortal words of Socrates, who said, "I drank what?!?" -Real Genius, 1985 heavyboots2k@yahoo.com --------------------------------- We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love (and love to hate): Yahoo! TV's Guilty Pleasures list. From Gerben.Wierda at rna.nl Mon Apr 2 14:12:16 2007 From: Gerben.Wierda at rna.nl (Gerben Wierda) Date: Mon Apr 2 14:12:51 2007 Subject: Reading XML in Perl on OS X In-Reply-To: <1866B50A-C123-42B7-9049-109A8A926DC8@zzamboni.org> References: <3D6935E2-11C9-47E9-A3CF-E841E75DCD87@rna.nl> <7F321C42-2977-4C13-BB22-AD6EC5CFE779@rna.nl> <1866B50A-C123-42B7-9049-109A8A926DC8@zzamboni.org> Message-ID: <1735425F-6126-444F-9BAC-4D7516B7CCD1@rna.nl> On Feb 12, 2007, at 22:57 , Diego Zamboni wrote: > > On Feb 12, 2007, at 7:25 AM, Gerben Wierda wrote: >>>> I am looking for a Perl-addon I can install separately. Does >>>> that exist? >>> >>> add-on? >> >> Perl module (.pm) preferably. You know with Makefile.PL etc. > > I'm not sure I understand your question. The .pm modules, > Makefile.PL, etc. is what you get through CPAN, which you seem > reluctant to use. All the CPAN module does is automate the process > of installing them. You could also download the modules you want > and install them by hand. I would use CPAN. Also, as someone else > said, anything installed through CPAN will not modify your existing > install. Suppose my current perl is 5.8.1 on 10.3.9 and I run cpan upgrade, it tells me it wants to install 5.8.8. It tells me it wants to install it in /usr/local. But in that case, I get a full second perl on my system. Or I choose to install in /usr. but then it will overwrite the existing perl. I am reluctant because I am afraid to change the existing perl but I also am afraid for the complexity of having multiple perls. > (btw, Gerben: thanks for your TeX/LaTeX packages!) You're welcome. My current investigation in perl/XML is related ;-) G From diego-osxadmin at zzamboni.org Mon Apr 2 14:20:26 2007 From: diego-osxadmin at zzamboni.org (Diego Zamboni) Date: Mon Apr 2 14:48:22 2007 Subject: Reading XML in Perl on OS X In-Reply-To: <1735425F-6126-444F-9BAC-4D7516B7CCD1@rna.nl> References: <3D6935E2-11C9-47E9-A3CF-E841E75DCD87@rna.nl> <7F321C42-2977-4C13-BB22-AD6EC5CFE779@rna.nl> <1866B50A-C123-42B7-9049-109A8A926DC8@zzamboni.org> <1735425F-6126-444F-9BAC-4D7516B7CCD1@rna.nl> Message-ID: <9B3EECC6-E79A-40E6-9EC1-D6EE028C2997@zzamboni.org> > Suppose my current perl is 5.8.1 on 10.3.9 and I run cpan upgrade, > it tells me it wants to install 5.8.8. It tells me it wants to > install it in /usr/local. But in that case, I get a full second > perl on my system. Or I choose to install in /usr. but then it will > overwrite the existing perl. Ah, but the trick is you don't run a CPAN upgrade, you just install the modules you need, for example: # cpan (maybe go through first-time configuration) cpan> install XML::Parser this should install just the modules you want, without modifying your current perl installation. Hope this helps, --Diego From grail at goldweb.com.au Mon Apr 2 17:48:40 2007 From: grail at goldweb.com.au (Alex Satrapa) Date: Mon Apr 2 17:48:46 2007 Subject: MacOSX-admin Digest, Vol 39, Issue 26 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9389F3DE-D2BD-4854-9EE2-42B62A853465@goldweb.com.au> On 02/04/2007, at 23:39 , Scott Ribe wrote: >> Works just fine for 99% of people. > > I don't define: "refusing to print a not-complex page" as "works > fine for > 99% of people". I think the main problem is that "non-complex" in today's terms is far more complex than "non-complex" in the days gone by. Look at the PostScript being produced by something even as simple as BBEdit printing syntax coloured source code. (almost) Every letter is individually positioned and coloured. I can understand why cheap PostScript emulation would have a headache with some of this stuff. FWIW, my Lexmark Optra S 1855 can handle anything I throw at it. It's ageing though, and toner cartridges are becoming harder to source, and black & white printing is *so* last century... Alex From grail at goldweb.com.au Mon Apr 2 17:58:00 2007 From: grail at goldweb.com.au (Alex Satrapa) Date: Mon Apr 2 17:58:06 2007 Subject: Peripherals, FireWire vs Macintosh (was Re: HP C3180) In-Reply-To: References: <555B33CE-8160-4EDB-BEBC-84FE81BDEC6B@kreme.com> Message-ID: <1D2CE08A-E379-45E9-A43F-54C9DCFA6AA8@goldweb.com.au> On 03/04/2007, at 04:13 , Dan Shoop wrote: > At 9:53 PM -0600 4/1/07, LuKreme wrote: >> My 3G iPod is on firewire, and I used to have a firewire HD case, >> but it crapped out. The keyboard is BT, but Logitech does not >> make a BT Trackman. > > But other vendors make BT devices too. Show me an input peripheral made by someone other than Logitech that I would be prepared to use 18 hours a day. Of about 50 keyboards I've looked at in the past few months, only Logitech ones have been satisfactory to my needs. There is, of course, the "elite" keyboard (all black, clicky keys) but it's not available anywhere that I can get my hands on it to try. On the FireWire issue: the IEEE standard specifies that all equipment should use 33V for power. Most devices on the market are designed fro 25V for whatever reason. Macs typically have 33V supplies. 50% higher voltage means 50% more current, and thus FW devices burning out or crashing. More trivia I've osmosed while trying to diagnose problems with my D-Link and LaCie FW devices (my LaCie BigDisk d2 Extreme FW interface burned out) :\ Alex From conrad at yoders.org Mon Apr 2 19:21:33 2007 From: conrad at yoders.org (Conrad G T Yoder) Date: Mon Apr 2 19:21:45 2007 Subject: Peripherals, FireWire vs Macintosh (was Re: HP C3180) In-Reply-To: <1D2CE08A-E379-45E9-A43F-54C9DCFA6AA8@goldweb.com.au> Message-ID: At 4/2/07 8:58 PM -0500, Alex Satrapa wrote: > > Show me an input peripheral made by someone other than Logitech that > I would be prepared to use 18 hours a day. http://www.artlebedev.com/portfolio/optimus/ -Conrad -- Truth is information. From scott_ribe at killerbytes.com Mon Apr 2 20:09:16 2007 From: scott_ribe at killerbytes.com (Scott Ribe) Date: Mon Apr 2 20:09:23 2007 Subject: Peripherals, FireWire vs Macintosh (was Re: HP C3180) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Show me an input peripheral made by someone other than Logitech that > I would be prepared to use 18 hours a day. -- Scott Ribe scott_ribe@killerbytes.com http://www.killerbytes.com/ (303) 722-0567 voice From mrhatken at mac.com Mon Apr 2 21:40:28 2007 From: mrhatken at mac.com (Ashley Aitken) Date: Mon Apr 2 21:41:11 2007 Subject: MacOSX-admin Digest, Vol 39, Issue 26 In-Reply-To: <9389F3DE-D2BD-4854-9EE2-42B62A853465@goldweb.com.au> References: <9389F3DE-D2BD-4854-9EE2-42B62A853465@goldweb.com.au> Message-ID: <5A7EB5D0-8DB0-4E6A-ADA5-8BE2C2E37F20@mac.com> Howdy All, On 03/04/2007, at 8:48 AM, Alex Satrapa wrote: > On 02/04/2007, at 23:39 , Scott Ribe wrote: > >>> Works just fine for 99% of people. >> >> I don't define: "refusing to print a not-complex page" as "works >> fine for >> 99% of people". > > I think the main problem is that "non-complex" in today's terms is > far more complex than "non-complex" in the days gone by. Look at > the PostScript being produced by something even as simple as BBEdit > printing syntax coloured source code. (almost) Every letter is > individually positioned and coloured. I can understand why cheap > PostScript emulation would have a headache with some of this stuff. Please someone correct me if I am wrong: Why would this be any different from the Adobe Postscript implementation (apart from the fact that Adobe probably have a better implementation of the Postscript specification)? Even an Adobe Postscript implementation is emulating the Postscript program (which is the document being printed). We're just talking about two (or more) different implementations of the same emulator specification. I would say its very similar to two different implementation of the Java Virtual Machine. I don't believe there is chip that runs Postscript natively. Now if the "Emulated Postscript" implementation is actually outputting another printing language (e.g. PCL although I am not sure that would be sufficient) then that would be another situation. Cheers, Ashley. From grail at goldweb.com.au Mon Apr 2 21:58:49 2007 From: grail at goldweb.com.au (Alex Satrapa) Date: Mon Apr 2 21:58:57 2007 Subject: Peripherals, FireWire vs Macintosh (was Re: HP C3180) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <870DF8E0-4730-4774-B9CC-FA6C81F7C304@goldweb.com.au> On 03/04/2007, at 13:09 , Scott Ribe wrote: >> Show me an input peripheral made by someone other than Logitech that >> I would be prepared to use 18 hours a day. > > Smarty pants :P But just to prove I'm an ass, I've never felt comfortable using split keyboards (especially not that black one, with the two independently slidable half-keyboards, it looks like I'd be forever repositioning the keyboard). On 03/04/2007, at 12:21 , Conrad G T Yoder wrote: > http://www.artlebedev.com/portfolio/optimus/ Still not available for purchase. It's only a concept at the moment, so I can't actually use it. Close, but no cigar! Alex From grail at goldweb.com.au Mon Apr 2 22:36:01 2007 From: grail at goldweb.com.au (Alex Satrapa) Date: Mon Apr 2 22:36:07 2007 Subject: MacOSX-admin Digest, Vol 39, Issue 26 In-Reply-To: <5A7EB5D0-8DB0-4E6A-ADA5-8BE2C2E37F20@mac.com> References: <9389F3DE-D2BD-4854-9EE2-42B62A853465@goldweb.com.au> <5A7EB5D0-8DB0-4E6A-ADA5-8BE2C2E37F20@mac.com> Message-ID: <79B3F305-7E55-4436-B935-2D6F32D462F2@goldweb.com.au> On 03/04/2007, at 14:40 , Ashley Aitken wrote: > Why would this be any different from the Adobe Postscript > implementation (apart from the fact that Adobe probably have a > better implementation of the Postscript specification)? You've answered your own question. Would you buy your steak knives from someone who specialises in giving away free knives with purchases of other items, or from a company that specialises in high quality cutlery? If you're in the "spend $10 every year replacing knives" crowd, the PostScript emulation is fine for you - if you encounter problems you'll just modify your document to work on the printer that you've chosen (or just cope with not printing the document at all). If you're in the "spend $100 once for knives that last 50 years" crowd, real Adobe PostScript is for you. You're the kind of person who doesn't want to spend an hour fixing a document to work on your printer (or calling the client to reject the job), when you could be using that time to print out other paying jobs. Alex From scott_ribe at killerbytes.com Mon Apr 2 23:30:21 2007 From: scott_ribe at killerbytes.com (Scott Ribe) Date: Mon Apr 2 23:30:37 2007 Subject: Peripherals, FireWire vs Macintosh (was Re: HP C3180) In-Reply-To: <870DF8E0-4730-4774-B9CC-FA6C81F7C304@goldweb.com.au> Message-ID: > But just to prove I'm an ass, I've never felt comfortable using split > keyboards (especially not that black one, with the two independently > slidable half-keyboards, it looks like I'd be forever repositioning > the keyboard). Me too. I use the one with the two separated but fixed keypads. The thing they got right is the *concave* key wells, which reduces finger extension needed to get at the keys--the exact opposite of the MS Natural keyboard got completely wrong. -- Scott Ribe scott_ribe@killerbytes.com http://www.killerbytes.com/ (303) 722-0567 voice From kremels at kreme.com Tue Apr 3 00:28:41 2007 From: kremels at kreme.com (LuKreme) Date: Tue Apr 3 00:29:09 2007 Subject: Peripherals, FireWire vs Macintosh (was Re: HP C3180) In-Reply-To: <1D2CE08A-E379-45E9-A43F-54C9DCFA6AA8@goldweb.com.au> References: <555B33CE-8160-4EDB-BEBC-84FE81BDEC6B@kreme.com> <1D2CE08A-E379-45E9-A43F-54C9DCFA6AA8@goldweb.com.au> Message-ID: <35EB9546-C102-44B6-8357-CB364C4DC21E@kreme.com> On 2-Apr-2007, at 18:58, Alex Satrapa wrote: > On 03/04/2007, at 04:13 , Dan Shoop wrote: >> At 9:53 PM -0600 4/1/07, LuKreme wrote: >>> My 3G iPod is on firewire, and I used to have a firewire HD >>> case, but it crapped out. The keyboard is BT, but Logitech does >>> not make a BT Trackman. >> >> But other vendors make BT devices too. > > Show me an input peripheral made by someone other than Logitech > that I would be prepared to use 18 hours a day. No one makes anything like the Trackman in a BT variety. Not even close. > Of about 50 keyboards I've looked at in the past few months, only > Logitech ones have been satisfactory to my needs. There is, of > course, the "elite" keyboard (all black, clicky keys) but it's not > available anywhere that I can get my hands on it to try. I like the Apple wireless keyboard, but I use my Matias clacketty one. still the wieless keybaord is very convenient. When I'm laid up in bed, I use the Apple BT mouse as well, but I hate every minute of it. > On the FireWire issue: the IEEE standard specifies that all > equipment should use 33V for power. Most devices on the market are > designed fro 25V for whatever reason. Macs typically have 33V > supplies. 50% higher voltage means 50% more current, and thus FW > devices burning out or crashing. More trivia I've osmosed while > trying to diagnose problems with my D-Link and LaCie FW devices (my > LaCie BigDisk d2 Extreme FW interface burned out) :\ Most drive enclosures anymore are USB 2. IPods are USB 2. Printers have USB conenctions, as well as card readers. A lot more USB devices than Firewire. That said, my next purchase will likely be a Firewire 800 enclosure that I can my my 300GB into. -- Major Strasser has been shot. Round up the usual suspects. From kremels at kreme.com Tue Apr 3 00:30:04 2007 From: kremels at kreme.com (LuKreme) Date: Tue Apr 3 00:30:29 2007 Subject: Peripherals, FireWire vs Macintosh (was Re: HP C3180) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 2-Apr-2007, at 20:21, Conrad G T Yoder wrote: > http://www.artlebedev.com/portfolio/optimus/ I'm far more concerned with the feel of a keyboard that what the keycaps look like. While that keyboard is insanely cool, I doubt it will be worth the cost to me, or many others. -- Today the road all runners come/Shoulder high we bring you home. And set you at your threshold down/Townsman of a stiller town. From mrhatken at mac.com Tue Apr 3 07:48:09 2007 From: mrhatken at mac.com (Ashley Aitken) Date: Tue Apr 3 07:48:49 2007 Subject: MacOSX-admin Digest, Vol 39, Issue 26 In-Reply-To: <79B3F305-7E55-4436-B935-2D6F32D462F2@goldweb.com.au> References: <9389F3DE-D2BD-4854-9EE2-42B62A853465@goldweb.com.au> <5A7EB5D0-8DB0-4E6A-ADA5-8BE2C2E37F20@mac.com> <79B3F305-7E55-4436-B935-2D6F32D462F2@goldweb.com.au> Message-ID: <57C20BCD-68E3-4743-B5B5-11DC16AC5BCB@mac.com> Hi Alex (et al.), I understand where you are coming from but I have to disagree (its just me). On 03/04/2007, at 1:36 PM, Alex Satrapa wrote: > On 03/04/2007, at 14:40 , Ashley Aitken wrote: > >> Why would this be any different from the Adobe Postscript >> implementation (apart from the fact that Adobe probably have a >> better implementation of the Postscript specification)? > > You've answered your own question. How smart am I ?! ;-) > Would you buy your steak knives from someone who specialises in > giving away free knives with purchases of other items, or from a > company that specialises in high quality cutlery? Ah, so you know for sure that these other Postscript implementations are poor quality products sold by shady companies? I personally have very little knowledge of their expertise or business practices. > If you're in the "spend $10 every year replacing knives" crowd, the > PostScript emulation is fine for you But Adobe's Postscript is Postscript emulation as well, I thought I explained that. Your comparison (given its not your terminology) sounds like you are comparing a native application with an emulated application. If you mean would I prefer to pay more for Adobe's implementation of Postscript as opposed to another companies implementation of Postscript then that's a good question with, I believe, no easy answer. There is no reason I can see why a third party implementation of the Postscript specification cannot be better than Adobe's AND cheaper. Like any big name, you're paying for the Adobe brand as well ... That said, as I said before, Adobe's implementation is probably better given their history, but I wouldn't knock third-party implementations too quickly. Enough said. Cheers, Ashley. From scott_ribe at killerbytes.com Tue Apr 3 08:05:05 2007 From: scott_ribe at killerbytes.com (Scott Ribe) Date: Tue Apr 3 08:05:13 2007 Subject: MacOSX-admin Digest, Vol 39, Issue 26 In-Reply-To: <57C20BCD-68E3-4743-B5B5-11DC16AC5BCB@mac.com> Message-ID: > ..but I wouldn't knock third-party implementations too quickly. Every single person who's knocking the 3rd-party implementations is reporting having had significant problems with them. I'm not quite sure why you don't seem to be able to acknowledge that point. > But Adobe's Postscript is Postscript emulation as well... Well, no, it's not. It's an *interpreter* for the Postscript language. I think we all just let that quibble pass the first time, but if you're going to keep repeating it, then it needs to be corrected. You do have a point in there, in that Adobe could have bugs in its implementation. -- Scott Ribe scott_ribe@killerbytes.com http://www.killerbytes.com/ (303) 722-0567 voice From mrhatken at mac.com Tue Apr 3 08:22:37 2007 From: mrhatken at mac.com (Ashley Aitken) Date: Tue Apr 3 08:23:42 2007 Subject: MacOSX-admin Digest, Vol 39, Issue 26 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1DA76B45-A304-48F8-BBE1-311BB94FD58F@mac.com> On 03/04/2007, at 11:05 PM, Scott Ribe wrote: >> ..but I wouldn't knock third-party implementations too quickly. > > Every single person who's knocking the 3rd-party implementations is > reporting having had significant problems with them. Every single one? > I'm not quite sure why > you don't seem to be able to acknowledge that point. Because I am not sure it is a problem with the 3rd party implementations as opposed to lack of memory in the printer, for example. I've had problems with my HP 2100TN (that I believe uses a non-Adobe postscript implementation) but I not so quick to blame the 3rd party implementations over other problems (like memory). I have no problem admitting it could be the 3rd party implementations though. >> But Adobe's Postscript is Postscript emulation as well... > > Well, no, it's not. It's an *interpreter* for the Postscript > language. I > think we all just let that quibble pass the first time, but if > you're going > to keep repeating it, then it needs to be corrected. Ok sure, interpreter would be a better word. I should have used that, thanks for pointing it out. Can't one say, also though, that the application on the printer is emulating a Postscript machine/ interpreter? Like a Java Virtual Machine software is emulating a Java machine (whilst it is an interpreter for the Java language). I guess I was just trying to understand why the call this third-party software "Emulated Postscript" Cheers, Ashley. -- Ashley Aitken Perth, Western Australia mrhatken at mac dot com Skype Name: MrHatken (GMT + 8 Hours!) From chad+macosx at objectwerks.com Tue Apr 3 10:10:04 2007 From: chad+macosx at objectwerks.com (Chad Leigh) Date: Tue Apr 3 10:10:18 2007 Subject: MacOSX-admin Digest, Vol 39, Issue 26 In-Reply-To: <1DA76B45-A304-48F8-BBE1-311BB94FD58F@mac.com> References: <1DA76B45-A304-48F8-BBE1-311BB94FD58F@mac.com> Message-ID: <69548289-9E6C-4D4B-9EFE-C38A5D0C59A8@objectwerks.com> On Apr 3, 2007, at 9:22 AM, Ashley Aitken wrote: > Because I am not sure it is a problem with the 3rd party > implementations as opposed to lack of memory in the printer, for > example. > > I've had problems with my HP 2100TN (that I believe uses a non- > Adobe postscript implementation) but I not so quick to blame the > 3rd party implementations over other problems (like memory). > > I have no problem admitting it could be the 3rd party > implementations though. Which is interesting, since my HP 2100tn hsa been flawless since 1999 including colored printing (which comes out gray of course) and various complex documents and graphics. But it has the max 40MB of memory in it from the start. Chad From lynlist at nowdata.com Tue Apr 3 08:50:11 2007 From: lynlist at nowdata.com (Lyn) Date: Tue Apr 3 10:23:42 2007 Subject: Xserve Cluster Node Server Wrong Purchase In-Reply-To: <1DA76B45-A304-48F8-BBE1-311BB94FD58F@mac.com> References: <1DA76B45-A304-48F8-BBE1-311BB94FD58F@mac.com> Message-ID: <93405D04-E2BE-44A1-B447-F327B24D775B@nowdata.com> I feel a little foolish posting this, but I figure I'm probably among friends. ;-) I recently purchased a G5 Xserve on eBay to deploy a dedicated 4D database application. Would have used a MacPro, but 4D Server isn't universal binary yet and our timing tests indicate our application will be significantly faster on a G5. The Xserve arrived today & I now realize I actually purchased a Xserve cluster node server. I see there is no video card onboard so I can't connect a monitor. Am I screwed? Can I get this machine to work anyway? I'll be placing this unit on the same rack adjacent to a G4 and G5 Xserve running other applications. Will that help my setup at all? Lyn From brianw at sounds.wa.com Tue Apr 3 12:03:20 2007 From: brianw at sounds.wa.com (Brian Willoughby) Date: Tue Apr 3 12:03:44 2007 Subject: Xserve Cluster Node Server Wrong Purchase In-Reply-To: <93405D04-E2BE-44A1-B447-F327B24D775B@nowdata.com> References: <1DA76B45-A304-48F8-BBE1-311BB94FD58F@mac.com> <93405D04-E2BE-44A1-B447-F327B24D775B@nowdata.com> Message-ID: <4705A102-9E8B-4828-A76E-F5A543A5DE19@sounds.wa.com> If you're familiar with Mac OS X Server admin, it shouldn't be too hard. You install the admin tools on another Mac on the same subnet, and it will find the new Cluster Node and allow to you remotely configure it for your installation. If you completely mangle the setup, you can put the Cluster Node into Target Disk Mode, attach to a PowerBook or other Mac, and reinstall a fresh copy to start over (just make sure you don't reboot the installing computer, because it will then configure the Cluster Node drive for the wrong system). Note: The documentation implies that you must use the FW400 port on the front, but I found that the FW800 ports on the rear work equally well, and cut down on installation time if you have a fast drive (10K?). It's tough at first without a video card (although you can install one), but once you get past the setup its unnecessary. I made a few mistakes along the way, since this was my first Xserve, but with the reinstall I was eventually able to get it perfect. I purchased a Cluster Node because it gives you dual processors for the same cost, only sacrificing the extra drive bays. Since my Xserve is in a co- location facility where I may never touch it again, I'm glad I didn't pay for video. You may find that you made the right purchase, if you can make it through the configuration. Brian Willoughby Sound Consulting On Apr 3, 2007, at 08:50, Lyn wrote: I feel a little foolish posting this, but I figure I'm probably among friends. ;-) I recently purchased a G5 Xserve on eBay to deploy a dedicated 4D database application. Would have used a MacPro, but 4D Server isn't universal binary yet and our timing tests indicate our application will be significantly faster on a G5. The Xserve arrived today & I now realize I actually purchased a Xserve cluster node server. I see there is no video card onboard so I can't connect a monitor. Am I screwed? Can I get this machine to work anyway? I'll be placing this unit on the same rack adjacent to a G4 and G5 Xserve running other applications. Will that help my setup at all? Lyn From lynlist at nowdata.com Tue Apr 3 12:45:43 2007 From: lynlist at nowdata.com (Lyn) Date: Tue Apr 3 12:45:57 2007 Subject: Xserve Cluster Node Server Wrong Purchase In-Reply-To: <4705A102-9E8B-4828-A76E-F5A543A5DE19@sounds.wa.com> References: <1DA76B45-A304-48F8-BBE1-311BB94FD58F@mac.com> <93405D04-E2BE-44A1-B447-F327B24D775B@nowdata.com> <4705A102-9E8B-4828-A76E-F5A543A5DE19@sounds.wa.com> Message-ID: <357CCF27-5A89-4C72-A070-6A219921D436@nowdata.com> Thanks for the reply. I am familiar with OS X Server admin and will fire up the new Xserve on the network later today. Similar to you, it will eventually end up at a co-location where everything is headless anyway. As long as I have this Cluster Node Server, is there some advantage I could reap? Does buying another cluster node server make sense in terms of improved performance or something? Is there a Xserver Cluster Node primer (for dummies) that I could learn from? Thanks again Lyn On Apr 3, 2007, at 2:03 PM, Brian Willoughby wrote: > If you're familiar with Mac OS X Server admin, it shouldn't be too > hard. You install the admin tools on another Mac on the same > subnet, and it will find the new Cluster Node and allow to you > remotely configure it for your installation. If you completely > mangle the setup, you can put the Cluster Node into Target Disk > Mode, attach to a PowerBook or other Mac, and reinstall a fresh > copy to start over (just make sure you don't reboot the installing > computer, because it will then configure the Cluster Node drive for > the wrong system). Note: The documentation implies that you must > use the FW400 port on the front, but I found that the FW800 ports > on the rear work equally well, and cut down on installation time if > you have a fast drive (10K?). > > It's tough at first without a video card (although you can install > one), but once you get past the setup its unnecessary. I made a > few mistakes along the way, since this was my first Xserve, but > with the reinstall I was eventually able to get it perfect. I > purchased a Cluster Node because it gives you dual processors for > the same cost, only sacrificing the extra drive bays. Since my > Xserve is in a co-location facility where I may never touch it > again, I'm glad I didn't pay for video. You may find that you made > the right purchase, if you can make it through the configuration. > > Brian Willoughby > Sound Consulting > > > On Apr 3, 2007, at 08:50, Lyn wrote: > > I feel a little foolish posting this, but I figure I'm probably > among friends. ;-) > > I recently purchased a G5 Xserve on eBay to deploy a dedicated 4D > database application. Would have used a MacPro, but 4D Server isn't > universal binary yet and our timing tests indicate our application > will be significantly faster on a G5. > > The Xserve arrived today & I now realize I actually purchased a > Xserve cluster node server. I see there is no video card onboard so > I can't connect a monitor. Am I screwed? Can I get this machine to > work anyway? I'll be placing this unit on the same rack adjacent to > a G4 and G5 Xserve running other applications. Will that help my > setup at all? > > Lyn From shawnce at gmail.com Tue Apr 3 13:03:30 2007 From: shawnce at gmail.com (Shawn Erickson) Date: Tue Apr 3 13:03:39 2007 Subject: Xserve Cluster Node Server Wrong Purchase In-Reply-To: <357CCF27-5A89-4C72-A070-6A219921D436@nowdata.com> References: <1DA76B45-A304-48F8-BBE1-311BB94FD58F@mac.com> <93405D04-E2BE-44A1-B447-F327B24D775B@nowdata.com> <4705A102-9E8B-4828-A76E-F5A543A5DE19@sounds.wa.com> <357CCF27-5A89-4C72-A070-6A219921D436@nowdata.com> Message-ID: On 4/3/07, Lyn wrote: > As long as I have this Cluster Node Server, is there some advantage I > could reap? Does buying another cluster node server make sense in > terms of improved performance or something? Is there a Xserver > Cluster Node primer (for dummies) that I could learn from? Nothing is really special about a cluster node other then it has some hardware removed that isn't needed for a simple compute node. -Shawn From brianw at sounds.wa.com Tue Apr 3 16:18:59 2007 From: brianw at sounds.wa.com (Brian Willoughby) Date: Tue Apr 3 16:19:07 2007 Subject: Xserve Cluster Node Server Wrong Purchase In-Reply-To: <357CCF27-5A89-4C72-A070-6A219921D436@nowdata.com> References: <1DA76B45-A304-48F8-BBE1-311BB94FD58F@mac.com> <93405D04-E2BE-44A1-B447-F327B24D775B@nowdata.com> <4705A102-9E8B-4828-A76E-F5A543A5DE19@sounds.wa.com> <357CCF27-5A89-4C72-A070-6A219921D436@nowdata.com> Message-ID: Read the manuals that come with the Cluster Node, and the PDF documentation on the Server Admin tools install CD. They'll get you over half way there. Experience will take care of the rest. The Cluster Node has a price advantage. It costs the same as the base model, but has two processors instead of one. You give up the two extra drive bays and the video card. I may someday regret not having the extra drive bays, but by the time I need more space I'm sure I can fit it all into one bay. But I can use the second processor right away, and it saved me $1,000 compared to the other models. Buy another Cluster Node only if you need another CPU. It's basically just a specific price point for a given feature list. Brian Willoughby Sound Consulting On Apr 3, 2007, at 12:45, Lyn wrote: Thanks for the reply. I am familiar with OS X Server admin and will fire up the new Xserve on the network later today. Similar to you, it will eventually end up at a co-location where everything is headless anyway. As long as I have this Cluster Node Server, is there some advantage I could reap? Does buying another cluster node server make sense in terms of improved performance or something? Is there a Xserver Cluster Node primer (for dummies) that I could learn from? Thanks again Lyn From robinmcf at altern.org Tue Apr 3 18:00:11 2007 From: robinmcf at altern.org (robinmcf@altern.org) Date: Tue Apr 3 18:22:05 2007 Subject: Peripherals, FireWire vs Macintosh (was Re: HP C3180) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I have to disagree with you there Luke - as a concept it has the ring of replacing writing commands with graphical menus and a mouse and I wouldn't be surprised if it (the optimus concept) superceeded keyboards as they are now - but then I live and work in an environment where I need to frequently switch between two radically different character sets, use apps with dedicated hot keys .... Robin On 03 Apr, 2007, at 04:30 pm, LuKreme wrote: > On 2-Apr-2007, at 20:21, Conrad G T Yoder wrote: >> http://www.artlebedev.com/portfolio/optimus/ > > I'm far more concerned with the feel of a keyboard that what the > keycaps look like. While that keyboard is insanely cool, I doubt it > will be worth the cost to me, or many others. > > -- > Today the road all runners come/Shoulder high we bring you home. > And set you at your threshold down/Townsman of a stiller town. > > > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-admin mailing list > MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin > > !DSPAM:4612097e198381804284693! > > From lynlist at nowdata.com Wed Apr 4 05:21:11 2007 From: lynlist at nowdata.com (Lyn) Date: Wed Apr 4 05:21:19 2007 Subject: Xserve Cluster Node Server Wrong Purchase In-Reply-To: References: <1DA76B45-A304-48F8-BBE1-311BB94FD58F@mac.com> <93405D04-E2BE-44A1-B447-F327B24D775B@nowdata.com> <4705A102-9E8B-4828-A76E-F5A543A5DE19@sounds.wa.com> <357CCF27-5A89-4C72-A070-6A219921D436@nowdata.com> Message-ID: <8E69C335-6AF3-4CFA-8F4B-F1C321D1521E@nowdata.com> I appreciate all of the helpful responses I've received. One last question, when running Server Assistant, the OS XSVR 10.4 serial number I'm using won't work. Keep getting an error: "Invalid serial number entered." I've searched some of the Apple forums and this issue seems to be related to Intel macs and the firewall, but this is a G5 Xserve. Do I need to contact Apple? Lyn On Apr 3, 2007, at 6:18 PM, Brian Willoughby wrote: > Read the manuals that come with the Cluster Node, and the PDF > documentation on the Server Admin tools install CD. They'll get > you over half way there. Experience will take care of the rest. > > The Cluster Node has a price advantage. It costs the same as the > base model, but has two processors instead of one. You give up the > two extra drive bays and the video card. I may someday regret not > having the extra drive bays, but by the time I need more space I'm > sure I can fit it all into one bay. But I can use the second > processor right away, and it saved me $1,000 compared to the other > models. > > Buy another Cluster Node only if you need another CPU. It's > basically just a specific price point for a given feature list. > > Brian Willoughby > Sound Consulting > > > On Apr 3, 2007, at 12:45, Lyn wrote: > > Thanks for the reply. I am familiar with OS X Server admin and will > fire up the new Xserve on the network later today. Similar to you, > it will eventually end up at a co-location where everything is > headless anyway. > > As long as I have this Cluster Node Server, is there some advantage > I could reap? Does buying another cluster node server make sense in > terms of improved performance or something? Is there a Xserver > Cluster Node primer (for dummies) that I could learn from? > > Thanks again > > Lyn From brianw at sounds.wa.com Wed Apr 4 14:54:57 2007 From: brianw at sounds.wa.com (Brian Willoughby) Date: Wed Apr 4 14:55:13 2007 Subject: Xserve Cluster Node Server Wrong Purchase In-Reply-To: <8E69C335-6AF3-4CFA-8F4B-F1C321D1521E@nowdata.com> References: <1DA76B45-A304-48F8-BBE1-311BB94FD58F@mac.com> <93405D04-E2BE-44A1-B447-F327B24D775B@nowdata.com> <4705A102-9E8B-4828-A76E-F5A543A5DE19@sounds.wa.com> <357CCF27-5A89-4C72-A070-6A219921D436@nowdata.com> <8E69C335-6AF3-4CFA-8F4B-F1C321D1521E@nowdata.com> Message-ID: If you're looking at the Serial number stamped on the back panel of your Xserve, and it's not working when you type it into Server Assistant, then maybe you should contact Apple. But first confirm that you're not just looking at the wrong piece of paper. Brian On Apr 4, 2007, at 05:21, Lyn wrote: I appreciate all of the helpful responses I've received. One last question, when running Server Assistant, the OS XSVR 10.4 serial number I'm using won't work. Keep getting an error: "Invalid serial number entered." I've searched some of the Apple forums and this issue seems to be related to Intel macs and the firewall, but this is a G5 Xserve. Do I need to contact Apple? Lyn From lynlist at nowdata.com Wed Apr 4 15:08:17 2007 From: lynlist at nowdata.com (Lyn) Date: Wed Apr 4 15:08:25 2007 Subject: Xserve Cluster Node Server Wrong Purchase In-Reply-To: References: <1DA76B45-A304-48F8-BBE1-311BB94FD58F@mac.com> <93405D04-E2BE-44A1-B447-F327B24D775B@nowdata.com> <4705A102-9E8B-4828-A76E-F5A543A5DE19@sounds.wa.com> <357CCF27-5A89-4C72-A070-6A219921D436@nowdata.com> <8E69C335-6AF3-4CFA-8F4B-F1C321D1521E@nowdata.com> Message-ID: <8D69F00B-7C77-44BF-A7BA-B7B59D1EEFBE@nowdata.com> Actually, the machine serial number works fine. It's the Mac OS X 10.4 Client serial number that isn't working when entering it via Server Assistant. Called Apple and they tell me that Software Serial Number I'm entering is invalid, but they can't provide a new number without an original purchase receipt. Unfortunately, this is a used machine and getting my hands on an original purchase receipt seems remote. This is beginning to get a little frustrating. Lyn On Apr 4, 2007, at 4:54 PM, Brian Willoughby wrote: > If you're looking at the Serial number stamped on the back panel of > your Xserve, and it's not working when you type it into Server > Assistant, then maybe you should contact Apple. But first confirm > that you're not just looking at the wrong piece of paper. > > Brian > > > On Apr 4, 2007, at 05:21, Lyn wrote: > > I appreciate all of the helpful responses I've received. One last > question, when running Server Assistant, the OS XSVR 10.4 serial > number I'm using won't work. Keep getting an error: "Invalid serial > number entered." > > I've searched some of the Apple forums and this issue seems to be > related to Intel macs and the firewall, but this is a G5 Xserve. > > Do I need to contact Apple? > > Lyn > From brianw at sounds.wa.com Wed Apr 4 15:13:48 2007 From: brianw at sounds.wa.com (Brian Willoughby) Date: Wed Apr 4 15:14:02 2007 Subject: Xserve Cluster Node Server Wrong Purchase In-Reply-To: <8D69F00B-7C77-44BF-A7BA-B7B59D1EEFBE@nowdata.com> References: <1DA76B45-A304-48F8-BBE1-311BB94FD58F@mac.com> <93405D04-E2BE-44A1-B447-F327B24D775B@nowdata.com> <4705A102-9E8B-4828-A76E-F5A543A5DE19@sounds.wa.com> <357CCF27-5A89-4C72-A070-6A219921D436@nowdata.com> <8E69C335-6AF3-4CFA-8F4B-F1C321D1521E@nowdata.com> <8D69F00B-7C77-44BF-A7BA-B7B59D1EEFBE@nowdata.com> Message-ID: Hi Lyn. Just buy a new copy of Mac OS X Server 10.4 and be done with it. I'm not sure that you can install Client on a Cluster Node anyway. Looks like you didn't get the original materials when purchasing used. Hopefully, you got a good price used, so the cost of Mac OS X Server shouldn't break the bank. Brian Willoughby Sound Consulting On Apr 4, 2007, at 15:08, Lyn wrote: Actually, the machine serial number works fine. It's the Mac OS X 10.4 Client serial number that isn't working when entering it via Server Assistant. Called Apple and they tell me that Software Serial Number I'm entering is invalid, but they can't provide a new number without an original purchase receipt. Unfortunately, this is a used machine and getting my hands on an original purchase receipt seems remote. This is beginning to get a little frustrating. Lyn On Apr 4, 2007, at 4:54 PM, Brian Willoughby wrote: > If you're looking at the Serial number stamped on the back panel of > your Xserve, and it's not working when you type it into Server > Assistant, then maybe you should contact Apple. But first confirm > that you're not just looking at the wrong piece of paper. > > Brian > > > On Apr 4, 2007, at 05:21, Lyn wrote: > > I appreciate all of the helpful responses I've received. One last > question, when running Server Assistant, the OS XSVR 10.4 serial > number I'm using won't work. Keep getting an error: "Invalid serial > number entered." > > I've searched some of the Apple forums and this issue seems to be > related to Intel macs and the firewall, but this is a G5 Xserve. > > Do I need to contact Apple? > > Lyn From nigel at explanatorygap.net Wed Apr 4 15:16:35 2007 From: nigel at explanatorygap.net (Nigel Kersten) Date: Wed Apr 4 15:16:44 2007 Subject: Xserve Cluster Node Server Wrong Purchase In-Reply-To: <8D69F00B-7C77-44BF-A7BA-B7B59D1EEFBE@nowdata.com> References: <1DA76B45-A304-48F8-BBE1-311BB94FD58F@mac.com> <93405D04-E2BE-44A1-B447-F327B24D775B@nowdata.com> <4705A102-9E8B-4828-A76E-F5A543A5DE19@sounds.wa.com> <357CCF27-5A89-4C72-A070-6A219921D436@nowdata.com> <8E69C335-6AF3-4CFA-8F4B-F1C321D1521E@nowdata.com> <8D69F00B-7C77-44BF-A7BA-B7B59D1EEFBE@nowdata.com> Message-ID: <708E67C5-E83F-4D38-BA92-3BDE9F6622CB@explanatorygap.net> On 05/04/2007, at 8:08 AM, Lyn wrote: > Called Apple and they tell me that Software Serial Number I'm > entering is invalid, but they can't provide a new number without an > original purchase receipt. Unfortunately, this is a used machine > and getting my hands on an original purchase receipt seems remote. Lyn, you shouldn't take that response at face value in my experience. On another OS X Server 10.4 install that is up to date, try: /System/Library/ServerSetup/serversetup -verifyServerSerialNumber "your serial number" If that tells you the serial is fine, then it's the problem with the 10.4 install media not recognising the serial as I posted before. -- Nigel Kersten http://explanatorygap.net From nigel at explanatorygap.net Wed Apr 4 15:06:27 2007 From: nigel at explanatorygap.net (Nigel Kersten) Date: Wed Apr 4 15:27:53 2007 Subject: Xserve Cluster Node Server Wrong Purchase In-Reply-To: <8E69C335-6AF3-4CFA-8F4B-F1C321D1521E@nowdata.com> References: <1DA76B45-A304-48F8-BBE1-311BB94FD58F@mac.com> <93405D04-E2BE-44A1-B447-F327B24D775B@nowdata.com> <4705A102-9E8B-4828-A76E-F5A543A5DE19@sounds.wa.com> <357CCF27-5A89-4C72-A070-6A219921D436@nowdata.com> <8E69C335-6AF3-4CFA-8F4B-F1C321D1521E@nowdata.com> Message-ID: On 04/04/2007, at 10:21 PM, Lyn wrote: > I appreciate all of the helpful responses I've received. One last > question, when running Server Assistant, the OS XSVR 10.4 serial > number I'm using won't work. Keep getting an error: "Invalid serial > number entered." > > I've searched some of the Apple forums and this issue seems to be > related to Intel macs and the firewall, but this is a G5 Xserve. > > Do I need to contact Apple? Is the fourth segment of the serial a zero or an "O" ? I have several serials like that that I received through my maintenance program that don't work with Server Assistant, but do work via the command line with serversetup and with Server Admin once the box is actually installed. Luckily I have a spare serial that I keep rotating around for use while installing that does work, otherwise I would have sorted this out with Apple before this. -- Nigel Kersten http://explanatorygap.net From lynlist at nowdata.com Wed Apr 4 16:17:03 2007 From: lynlist at nowdata.com (Lyn) Date: Wed Apr 4 16:17:10 2007 Subject: Xserve Cluster Node Server Wrong Purchase In-Reply-To: References: <1DA76B45-A304-48F8-BBE1-311BB94FD58F@mac.com> <93405D04-E2BE-44A1-B447-F327B24D775B@nowdata.com> <4705A102-9E8B-4828-A76E-F5A543A5DE19@sounds.wa.com> <357CCF27-5A89-4C72-A070-6A219921D436@nowdata.com> <8E69C335-6AF3-4CFA-8F4B-F1C321D1521E@nowdata.com> Message-ID: <99FB578C-106E-4B32-ACC7-423124DCFA14@nowdata.com> > On 04/04/2007, at 10:21 PM, Lyn wrote: > >> I appreciate all of the helpful responses I've received. One last >> question, when running Server Assistant, the OS XSVR 10.4 serial >> number I'm using won't work. Keep getting an error: "Invalid >> serial number entered." >> >> I've searched some of the Apple forums and this issue seems to be >> related to Intel macs and the firewall, but this is a G5 Xserve. >> >> Do I need to contact Apple? > On Apr 4, 2007, at 5:06 PM, Nigel Kersten wrote: > Is the fourth segment of the serial a zero or an "O" ? I have > several serials like that that I received through my maintenance > program that don't work with Server Assistant, but do work via the > command line with serversetup and with Server Admin once the box is > actually installed. > > Luckily I have a spare serial that I keep rotating around for use > while installing that does work, otherwise I would have sorted this > out with Apple before this. Yes, the fourth segment is an "O". I was suspecting this myself. How can I access this cluster node (headless) machine via command line with Server Setup so I can attempt to invoke serversetup? I'm thinking there isn't an account available yet to ssh to? Lyn From shoop at iwiring.net Wed Apr 4 17:41:53 2007 From: shoop at iwiring.net (Dan Shoop) Date: Wed Apr 4 17:42:03 2007 Subject: Xserve Cluster Node Server Wrong Purchase In-Reply-To: References: <1DA76B45-A304-48F8-BBE1-311BB94FD58F@mac.com> <93405D04-E2BE-44A1-B447-F327B24D775B@nowdata.com> <4705A102-9E8B-4828-A76E-F5A543A5DE19@sounds.wa.com> <357CCF27-5A89-4C72-A070-6A219921D436@nowdata.com> <8E69C335-6AF3-4CFA-8F4B-F1C321D1521E@nowdata.com> Message-ID: At 8:06 AM +1000 4/5/07, Nigel Kersten wrote: >On 04/04/2007, at 10:21 PM, Lyn wrote: > >>I appreciate all of the helpful responses I've received. One last >>question, when running Server Assistant, the OS XSVR 10.4 serial >>number I'm using won't work. Keep getting an error: "Invalid serial >>number entered." >> >>I've searched some of the Apple forums and this issue seems to be >>related to Intel macs and the firewall, but this is a G5 Xserve. >> >>Do I need to contact Apple? > >Is the fourth segment of the serial a zero or an "O" ? I have >several serials like that that I received through my maintenance >program that don't work with Server Assistant, but do work via the >command line with serversetup and with Server Admin once the box is >actually installed. > >Luckily I have a spare serial that I keep rotating around for use >while installing that does work, otherwise I would have sorted this >out with Apple before this. Apple Devleopers may be able to download a license from ADC as well. It makes a good license in these cases. -- -dhan ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Dan Shoop AIM: iWiring Systems & Networks Architect http://www.ustsvs.com/ shoop@iwiring.net http://www.iwiring.net/ 1-714-363-1174 "The wise man doesn't give the right answers, he poses the right questions." -- Claude Levi-Strauss ------------------------------------------------------------------------ iWiring provides systems and networks support for Mac OS X, unix, and Open Source application technologies at affordable rates. From shoop at iwiring.net Wed Apr 4 17:48:49 2007 From: shoop at iwiring.net (Dan Shoop) Date: Wed Apr 4 17:48:56 2007 Subject: Xserve Cluster Node Server Wrong Purchase In-Reply-To: <99FB578C-106E-4B32-ACC7-423124DCFA14@nowdata.com> References: <1DA76B45-A304-48F8-BBE1-311BB94FD58F@mac.com> <93405D04-E2BE-44A1-B447-F327B24D775B@nowdata.com> <4705A102-9E8B-4828-A76E-F5A543A5DE19@sounds.wa.com> <357CCF27-5A89-4C72-A070-6A219921D436@nowdata.com> <8E69C335-6AF3-4CFA-8F4B-F1C321D1521E@nowdata.com> <99FB578C-106E-4B32-ACC7-423124DCFA14@nowdata.com> Message-ID: At 6:17 PM -0500 4/4/07, Lyn wrote: >>On 04/04/2007, at 10:21 PM, Lyn wrote: >> >>>I appreciate all of the helpful responses I've received. One last >>>question, when running Server Assistant, the OS XSVR 10.4 serial >>>number I'm using won't work. Keep getting an error: "Invalid >>>serial number entered." >>> >>>I've searched some of the Apple forums and this issue seems to be >>>related to Intel macs and the firewall, but this is a G5 Xserve. >>> >>>Do I need to contact Apple? >> > >On Apr 4, 2007, at 5:06 PM, Nigel Kersten wrote: >>Is the fourth segment of the serial a zero or an "O" ? I have >>several serials like that that I received through my maintenance >>program that don't work with Server Assistant, but do work via the >>command line with serversetup and with Server Admin once the box is >>actually installed. >> >>Luckily I have a spare serial that I keep rotating around for use >>while installing that does work, otherwise I would have sorted this >>out with Apple before this. > >Yes, the fourth segment is an "O". I was suspecting this myself. How >can I access this cluster node (headless) machine via command line >with Server Setup so I can attempt to invoke serversetup? I'm >thinking there isn't an account available yet to ssh to? You can ssh into a machine running the installer. It's root password is either the serial number or 12345678. Note: the machine's serial number *is not* the license. Do not try to use the machine's serial number when Server Settup Assistant Have you read the OS X Server docs? You need to download them, it's not just the single book that ships with the install kit. It's covering most of your questions and perhaps your next one too. Where did you get or or how did you locate your OS X Server 10.4 license? -- -dhan ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Dan Shoop AIM: iWiring Systems & Networks Architect http://www.ustsvs.com/ shoop@iwiring.net http://www.iwiring.net/ 1-714-363-1174 "The wise man doesn't give the right answers, he poses the right questions." -- Claude Levi-Strauss ------------------------------------------------------------------------ iWiring provides systems and networks support for Mac OS X, unix, and Open Source application technologies at affordable rates. From scott at cocoadoc.com Wed Apr 4 21:59:47 2007 From: scott at cocoadoc.com (Scott Anguish) Date: Wed Apr 4 21:59:53 2007 Subject: Peripherals, FireWire vs Macintosh (was Re: HP C3180) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Apr 2, 2007, at 11:09 PM, Scott Ribe wrote: > >> Show me an input peripheral made by someone other than Logitech that >> I would be prepared to use 18 hours a day. > > I agree completely on the Kinesis I've been using them for probably almost 15 years now. they've literally allowed me to continue working. mouse wise, well Logitech is my preference. the Apple keyboard isn't bad either in a pinch... From lynlist at nowdata.com Thu Apr 5 06:00:12 2007 From: lynlist at nowdata.com (Lyn) Date: Thu Apr 5 06:00:24 2007 Subject: Xserve Cluster Node Server Wrong Purchase [solved] In-Reply-To: References: <1DA76B45-A304-48F8-BBE1-311BB94FD58F@mac.com> <93405D04-E2BE-44A1-B447-F327B24D775B@nowdata.com> <4705A102-9E8B-4828-A76E-F5A543A5DE19@sounds.wa.com> <357CCF27-5A89-4C72-A070-6A219921D436@nowdata.com> <8E69C335-6AF3-4CFA-8F4B-F1C321D1521E@nowdata.com> <99FB578C-106E-4B32-ACC7-423124DCFA14@nowdata.com> Message-ID: <4DB8781D-F348-4075-8AE5-C04772AFDD79@nowdata.com> Thanks to all who responded. This is a very helpful list! In the end, I succeeded in using ssh to connect to the server and via the serversetup command set, enter the software serial number that shipped with the computer. The fourth block of the serial number was a "zero". Yet, Apple's Server Assistant GUI interface will only allow alpha - not numeric characters in the fourth position of the serial number entry form. (odd) - Lyn > At 6:17 PM -0500 4/4/07, Lyn wrote: >>> On 04/04/2007, at 10:21 PM, Lyn wrote: >>> >>>> I appreciate all of the helpful responses I've received. One >>>> last question, when running Server Assistant, the OS XSVR 10.4 >>>> serial number I'm using won't work. Keep getting an error: >>>> "Invalid serial number entered." >>>> >>>> I've searched some of the Apple forums and this issue seems to >>>> be related to Intel macs and the firewall, but this is a G5 Xserve. >>>> >>>> Do I need to contact Apple? >>> >> >> On Apr 4, 2007, at 5:06 PM, Nigel Kersten wrote: >>> Is the fourth segment of the serial a zero or an "O" ? I have >>> several serials like that that I received through my maintenance >>> program that don't work with Server Assistant, but do work via >>> the command line with serversetup and with Server Admin once the >>> box is actually installed. >>> >>> Luckily I have a spare serial that I keep rotating around for use >>> while installing that does work, otherwise I would have sorted >>> this out with Apple before this. >> >> Yes, the fourth segment is an "O". I was suspecting this myself. >> How can I access this cluster node (headless) machine via command >> line with Server Setup so I can attempt to invoke serversetup? I'm >> thinking there isn't an account available yet to ssh to? On Apr 4, 2007, at 7:48 PM, Dan Shoop wrote: > You can ssh into a machine running the installer. It's root > password is either the serial number or 12345678. > > Note: the machine's serial number *is not* the license. Do not try > to use the machine's serial number when Server Settup Assistant > > Have you read the OS X Server docs? You need to download them, it's > not just the single book that ships with the install kit. It's > covering most of your questions and perhaps your next one too. > > Where did you get or or how did you locate your OS X Server 10.4 > license? > -- > > -dhan From kremels at kreme.com Thu Apr 5 08:19:34 2007 From: kremels at kreme.com (LuKreme) Date: Thu Apr 5 08:19:48 2007 Subject: Xserve Cluster Node Server Wrong Purchase In-Reply-To: <8D69F00B-7C77-44BF-A7BA-B7B59D1EEFBE@nowdata.com> References: <1DA76B45-A304-48F8-BBE1-311BB94FD58F@mac.com> <93405D04-E2BE-44A1-B447-F327B24D775B@nowdata.com> <4705A102-9E8B-4828-A76E-F5A543A5DE19@sounds.wa.com> <357CCF27-5A89-4C72-A070-6A219921D436@nowdata.com> <8E69C335-6AF3-4CFA-8F4B-F1C321D1521E@nowdata.com> <8D69F00B-7C77-44BF-A7BA-B7B59D1EEFBE@nowdata.com> Message-ID: On 4-Apr-2007, at 16:08, Lyn wrote: > It's the Mac OS X 10.4 Client serial number that isn't working when > entering it via Server Assistant. 10.4 Client has a serial number? -- Don't congratulate yourself too much, or berate yourself either. Your choices are half chance; so are everybody else's. From janos.lobb at yale.edu Thu Apr 5 08:31:52 2007 From: janos.lobb at yale.edu (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?J=E1nos?=) Date: Thu Apr 5 08:31:52 2007 Subject: regex question Message-ID: Hi, I need a pointer to a documentation that describe well the extended regular expressions. I need to match some strings that must start with any of 'S', 'A', 'C' or 'N', followed by two digits followed by a '-' /dash/, followed by one to six digits. So I created the following one: "^[ACNS][0-9]{2}-[0-9]+$" I am not so sure that it really fixes the dash to the 4th position and it definitely would allow more than 6 digits at the end. Any good advise ? Thanks ahead, J?nos I looked the man page and I looked at: http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/000095399/basedefs/ xbd_chap09.html#tag_09_04_09 From lynlist at nowdata.com Thu Apr 5 08:51:30 2007 From: lynlist at nowdata.com (Lyn) Date: Thu Apr 5 08:51:34 2007 Subject: Xserve Cluster Node Server Wrong Purchase In-Reply-To: References: <1DA76B45-A304-48F8-BBE1-311BB94FD58F@mac.com> <93405D04-E2BE-44A1-B447-F327B24D775B@nowdata.com> <4705A102-9E8B-4828-A76E-F5A543A5DE19@sounds.wa.com> <357CCF27-5A89-4C72-A070-6A219921D436@nowdata.com> <8E69C335-6AF3-4CFA-8F4B-F1C321D1521E@nowdata.com> <8D69F00B-7C77-44BF-A7BA-B7B59D1EEFBE@nowdata.com> Message-ID: <3D750D92-0AA0-4057-B1A9-6294EA72D166@nowdata.com> Sorry - I wasn't specific in my posting: Mac OS X Server v10.4 10 Client. Lyn On Apr 5, 2007, at 10:19 AM, LuKreme wrote: > On 4-Apr-2007, at 16:08, Lyn wrote: >> It's the Mac OS X 10.4 Client serial number that isn't working >> when entering it via Server Assistant. > > 10.4 Client has a serial number? From kremels at kreme.com Thu Apr 5 09:49:08 2007 From: kremels at kreme.com (LuKreme) Date: Thu Apr 5 09:49:26 2007 Subject: regex question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0299DD79-39D8-4753-A67B-E393BC3C6D67@kreme.com> On 5-Apr-2007, at 09:31, J?nos wrote: > I need to match some strings that must start with any of 'S', 'A', > 'C' or 'N', followed by two digits followed by a '-' /dash/, > followed by one to six digits. > > So I created the following one: > > "^[ACNS][0-9]{2}-[0-9]+$" ^[ACNS][0-9]{2}-[0-9]{,6}$ I think that should do it. -- So now you know the words to our song, pretty soon you'll all be singing along, when you're sad, when you're lonely and it all turns out wrong... From shoop at iwiring.net Thu Apr 5 10:25:32 2007 From: shoop at iwiring.net (Dan Shoop) Date: Thu Apr 5 10:25:40 2007 Subject: regex question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 11:31 AM -0400 4/5/07, J?nos wrote: >Hi, > >I need a pointer to a documentation that >describe well the extended regular expressions. > >I need to match some strings that must start >with any of 'S', 'A', 'C' or 'N', followed by >two digits followed by a '-' /dash/, followed by >one to six digits. > >So I created the following one: > >"^[ACNS][0-9]{2}-[0-9]+$" > >I am not so sure that it really fixes the dash >to the 4th position and it definitely would >allow more than 6 digits at the end. > >Any good advise ? What's wrong with the O'Reilly book? www.oreilly.com/catalog/regex2/ -- -dhan ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Dan Shoop AIM: iWiring Systems & Networks Architect http://www.ustsvs.com/ shoop@iwiring.net http://www.iwiring.net/ 1-714-363-1174 "The wise man doesn't give the right answers, he poses the right questions." -- Claude Levi-Strauss ------------------------------------------------------------------------ iWiring provides systems and networks support for Mac OS X, unix, and Open Source application technologies at affordable rates. From shoop at iwiring.net Thu Apr 5 10:38:36 2007 From: shoop at iwiring.net (Dan Shoop) Date: Thu Apr 5 10:38:43 2007 Subject: regex question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 11:31 AM -0400 4/5/07, J?nos wrote: >I need to match some strings that must start >with any of 'S', 'A', 'C' or 'N', followed by >two digits followed by a '-' /dash/, followed by >one to six digits. > >So I created the following one: > >"^[ACNS][0-9]{2}-[0-9]+$" > >I am not so sure that it really fixes the dash >to the 4th position and it definitely would >allow more than 6 digits at the end. Regular expressions might be regular but not exactly all the same. For instance PERL has it's own schema for regular exxpressions different from, say, grep. The above looks like a PERL expression, but probably won't work as expected in grep. What regular expression tool are you using? Have you tried matching w/o the ^ and %? How about [SACN]\d{1,2}-\d {1,6} -- -dhan ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Dan Shoop AIM: iWiring Systems & Networks Architect http://www.ustsvs.com/ shoop@iwiring.net http://www.iwiring.net/ 1-714-363-1174 "The wise man doesn't give the right answers, he poses the right questions." -- Claude Levi-Strauss ------------------------------------------------------------------------ iWiring provides systems and networks support for Mac OS X, unix, and Open Source application technologies at affordable rates. From janos.lobb at yale.edu Thu Apr 5 11:36:23 2007 From: janos.lobb at yale.edu (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?J=E1nos?=) Date: Thu Apr 5 11:36:30 2007 Subject: regex question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Apr 5, 2007, at 1:25 PM, Dan Shoop wrote: > At 11:31 AM -0400 4/5/07, J?nos wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I need a pointer to a documentation that describe well the >> extended regular expressions. >> >> I need to match some strings that must start with any of 'S', 'A', >> 'C' or 'N', followed by two digits followed by a '-' /dash/, >> followed by one to six digits. >> >> So I created the following one: >> >> "^[ACNS][0-9]{2}-[0-9]+$" >> >> I am not so sure that it really fixes the dash to the 4th position >> and it definitely would allow more than 6 digits at the end. >> >> Any good advise ? > > What's wrong with the O'Reilly book? > > www.oreilly.com/catalog/regex2/ > -- It is not in books24x7 where I have "free" access :) Otherwise nothin'. But as I was hunting for it in books24x7 I found this book: Regular Expression Recipes: A Problem-Solution Approach by Nathan A. Good Apress ? 2005 (320 pages) ISBN:159059441X This useful reference provides you with all the open source regular expressions you'll ever need, and explains how to use each one. This way, you can learn by example, rather than muddling through endless pages of syntax explanations. that I will revisit in the coming days looks like. Thanks anyway, J?nos From janos.lobb at yale.edu Thu Apr 5 11:44:44 2007 From: janos.lobb at yale.edu (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?J=E1nos?=) Date: Thu Apr 5 11:44:48 2007 Subject: regex question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Apr 5, 2007, at 1:38 PM, Dan Shoop wrote: > At 11:31 AM -0400 4/5/07, J?nos wrote: >> I need to match some strings that must start with any of 'S', 'A', >> 'C' or 'N', followed by two digits followed by a '-' /dash/, >> followed by one to six digits. >> >> So I created the following one: >> >> "^[ACNS][0-9]{2}-[0-9]+$" >> >> I am not so sure that it really fixes the dash to the 4th position >> and it definitely would allow more than 6 digits at the end. > > Regular expressions might be regular but not exactly all the same. > For instance PERL has it's own schema for regular exxpressions > different from, say, grep. > > The above looks like a PERL expression, but probably won't work as > expected in grep. > > What regular expression tool are you using? Have you tried matching > w/o the ^ and %? > > How about [SACN]\d{1,2}-\d {1,6} > -- I don't know. I am a little green turtle when it comes to regex or pattern matching :) Official words /from the developer/ say that it should be an extended regular expression, but I am finding out that for example the [:alpha:] class I wanted to use to replace the bad looking [ACNS] section did not work with the compiled library provided. Milo and Kreme gave some good tips, so for now I go with >> "^[ACNS][0-9]{2}-[0-9]{1,6}$" Thanks again, J?nos From nigel at explanatorygap.net Thu Apr 5 12:25:08 2007 From: nigel at explanatorygap.net (Nigel Kersten) Date: Thu Apr 5 12:25:24 2007 Subject: regex question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9CCC7170-D836-4A58-A9EA-15CF84D47DD6@explanatorygap.net> On 06/04/2007, at 4:36 AM, J?nos wrote: > It is not in books24x7 where I have "free" access :) Otherwise > nothin'. I've always been a big fan of: http:/regular-expressions.info Nice intro tutorials for people, and some good crib sheets for quick reference. -- Nigel Kersten http://explanatorygap.net From shoop at iwiring.net Thu Apr 5 14:13:22 2007 From: shoop at iwiring.net (Dan Shoop) Date: Thu Apr 5 14:13:32 2007 Subject: regex question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 2:36 PM -0400 4/5/07, J?nos wrote: >On Apr 5, 2007, at 1:25 PM, Dan Shoop wrote: > >>At 11:31 AM -0400 4/5/07, J?nos wrote: >>>Hi, >>> >>>I need a pointer to a documentation that >>>describe well the extended regular expressions. >>> >>>I need to match some strings that must start >>>with any of 'S', 'A', 'C' or 'N', followed by >>>two digits followed by a '-' /dash/, followed >>>by one to six digits. >>> >>>So I created the following one: >>> >>>"^[ACNS][0-9]{2}-[0-9]+$" >>> >>>I am not so sure that it really fixes the dash >>>to the 4th position and it definitely would >>>allow more than 6 digits at the end. >>> >>>Any good advise ? >> >>What's wrong with the O'Reilly book? >> >>www.oreilly.com/catalog/regex2/ >>-- > >It is not in books24x7 where I have "free" access :) Otherwise nothin'. Safari Books offers a free trial membership (and ADC members get a reduced membership). It is available there. -- -dhan ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Dan Shoop AIM: iWiring Systems & Networks Architect http://www.ustsvs.com/ shoop@iwiring.net http://www.iwiring.net/ 1-714-363-1174 "The wise man doesn't give the right answers, he poses the right questions." -- Claude Levi-Strauss ------------------------------------------------------------------------ iWiring provides systems and networks support for Mac OS X, unix, and Open Source application technologies at affordable rates. From shoop at iwiring.net Thu Apr 5 14:16:03 2007 From: shoop at iwiring.net (Dan Shoop) Date: Thu Apr 5 14:16:15 2007 Subject: regex question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 2:44 PM -0400 4/5/07, J?nos wrote: >On Apr 5, 2007, at 1:38 PM, Dan Shoop wrote: > >>At 11:31 AM -0400 4/5/07, J?nos wrote: >>>I need to match some strings that must start >>>with any of 'S', 'A', 'C' or 'N', followed by >>>two digits followed by a '-' /dash/, followed >>>by one to six digits. >>> >>>So I created the following one: >>> >>>"^[ACNS][0-9]{2}-[0-9]+$" >>> >>>I am not so sure that it really fixes the dash >>>to the 4th position and it definitely would >>>allow more than 6 digits at the end. >> >>Regular expressions might be regular but not >>exactly all the same. For instance PERL has >>it's own schema for regular exxpressions >>different from, say, grep. >> >>The above looks like a PERL expression, but >>probably won't work as expected in grep. >> >>What regular expression tool are you using? >>Have you tried matching w/o the ^ and %? >> >>How about [SACN]\d{1,2}-\d {1,6} >>-- > >I don't know. I am a little green turtle when >it comes to regex or pattern matching :) > >Official words /from the developer/ say that it >should be an extended regular expression, but I >am finding out that for example the [:alpha:] >class I wanted to use to replace the bad looking >[ACNS] section did not work with the compiled >library provided. Find out which regex library they are using. For the expression you had posted you probably want the pcre library. >Milo and Kreme gave some good tips, so for now I go with > >>>"^[ACNS][0-9]{2}-[0-9]{1,6}$" If your lib supports $, and I think that should be "^[ACNS][0-9]{2}-[0-9]{1,6}.*$" is you want to accept lines with stuff at the ends. -- -dhan ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Dan Shoop AIM: iWiring Systems & Networks Architect http://www.ustsvs.com/ shoop@iwiring.net http://www.iwiring.net/ 1-714-363-1174 "The wise man doesn't give the right answers, he poses the right questions." -- Claude Levi-Strauss ------------------------------------------------------------------------ iWiring provides systems and networks support for Mac OS X, unix, and Open Source application technologies at affordable rates. From icomfort at rescomp.stanford.edu Thu Apr 5 14:54:51 2007 From: icomfort at rescomp.stanford.edu (Ian Ward Comfort) Date: Thu Apr 5 15:16:14 2007 Subject: regex question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Apr 5, 2007, at 2:16 PM, Dan Shoop wrote: > At 2:44 PM -0400 4/5/07, J?nos wrote: >> Milo and Kreme gave some good tips, so for now I go with >> >>>> "^[ACNS][0-9]{2}-[0-9]{1,6}$" > > If your lib supports $, and I think that should be "^[ACNS][0-9]{2}- > [0-9]{1,6}.*$" is you want to accept lines with stuff at the ends. What's the point of the upper bound on final digits if you're going to accept any trailing string with .*$ anyway? ?IWC From shoop at iwiring.net Thu Apr 5 16:26:28 2007 From: shoop at iwiring.net (Dan Shoop) Date: Thu Apr 5 16:26:39 2007 Subject: regex question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 2:54 PM -0700 4/5/07, Ian Ward Comfort wrote: >On Apr 5, 2007, at 2:16 PM, Dan Shoop wrote: >>At 2:44 PM -0400 4/5/07, J?nos wrote: >>>Milo and Kreme gave some good tips, so for now I go with >>> >>>>>"^[ACNS][0-9]{2}-[0-9]{1,6}$" >> >>If your lib supports $, and I think that should >>be "^[ACNS][0-9]{2}-[0-9]{1,6}.*$" is you want >>to accept lines with stuff at the ends. > >What's the point of the upper bound on final >digits if you're going to accept any trailing >string with .*$ anyway? I'm not sure if he is, but otherwise, yeah, you'd be right. -- -dhan ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Dan Shoop AIM: iWiring Systems & Networks Architect http://www.ustsvs.com/ shoop@iwiring.net http://www.iwiring.net/ 1-714-363-1174 "The wise man doesn't give the right answers, he poses the right questions." -- Claude Levi-Strauss ------------------------------------------------------------------------ iWiring provides systems and networks support for Mac OS X, unix, and Open Source application technologies at affordable rates. From jerry.levan at eku.edu Fri Apr 6 12:06:10 2007 From: jerry.levan at eku.edu (Jerry LeVan) Date: Fri Apr 6 12:23:43 2007 Subject: How Can I turn off the Startup page on my laserwriter 12/640PS? Message-ID: <72DD0CF3-6221-4C2C-980B-18FF7BADA16E@eku.edu> For some reason my 12/640 insists on printing the startup page whenever the printer is powered on... I don't appear to have anyway to turn the rascal back off... I googled around and found in a postscript faq that something like: %!PS-Adobe-2.0 serverdict begin 0 exitserver statusdict begin false setdostartpage end might do the job. I sent the above to the printer ( via enscript -Z ). Lights flashed but powering the print down and up caused the startup page to be printed... I don't seem to have any software that lets me control this aspect of the printer ( trying to start "classic" from the control panel fails). Any suggestions? Jerry From luttgens at fusl.ac.be Fri Apr 6 13:42:44 2007 From: luttgens at fusl.ac.be (Axel Luttgens) Date: Fri Apr 6 13:43:28 2007 Subject: How Can I turn off the Startup page on my laserwriter 12/640PS? In-Reply-To: <72DD0CF3-6221-4C2C-980B-18FF7BADA16E@eku.edu> References: <72DD0CF3-6221-4C2C-980B-18FF7BADA16E@eku.edu> Message-ID: <4616B0C4.7020201@fusl.ac.be> On 6/04/07 21:06, Jerry LeVan wrote: > For some reason my 12/640 insists on printing the startup page > whenever the printer is powered on... > > I don't appear to have anyway to turn the rascal back off... > > I googled around and found in a postscript faq that something > like: > > %!PS-Adobe-2.0 > serverdict begin 0 > exitserver statusdict begin false setdostartpage end > > might do the job. Damn! People who managed to get some info about of the internals of Apple's (marvelous - really) postscript printers... Do you have some link to share? > I sent the above to the printer ( via enscript -Z ). > > Lights flashed but powering the print down and up caused > the startup page to be printed... > > I don't seem to have any software that lets me control > this aspect of the printer ( trying to start "classic" > from the control panel fails). From which box? An Intel one? Because, if a PPC one, this should work, a could even be the way to solve your problem (see below). > Any suggestions? Do you still have a Mac OS 9 (or 8 or 7.6) capable box around? Because the LaserWriter Utility looks like the most reliable way to go... HTH, Axel From jhealy at logn.net Fri Apr 6 16:03:50 2007 From: jhealy at logn.net (Jason Healy) Date: Fri Apr 6 16:34:59 2007 Subject: How Can I turn off the Startup page on my laserwriter 12/640PS? In-Reply-To: <72DD0CF3-6221-4C2C-980B-18FF7BADA16E@eku.edu> References: <72DD0CF3-6221-4C2C-980B-18FF7BADA16E@eku.edu> Message-ID: On Apr 6, 2007, at 3:06 PM, Jerry LeVan wrote: > For some reason my 12/640 insists on printing the startup page > whenever the printer is powered on... > > I don't appear to have anyway to turn the rascal back off... As was already mentioned, the LaserWriter utility is the easiest way to do this if you have a machine that still runs classic stuff. Don't know about the 12/640, but our 12/600 had telnet enabled, and there was a small menu there that you could use to administer a few of the settings (including, IIRC, the banner page). Of course, that requires TCP/IP, which you may not have enabled (or may not know the address for). If this is the case, the following has the procedure for assigning an IP via ARP and ping: http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=22217 I did it once, but it can be a little tricky. Once the IP is assigned, you can get into the printer and modify the settings. Jason -- Jason Healy | jhealy@logn.net | http://www.logn.net/ From mrhatken at mac.com Sun Apr 8 08:49:32 2007 From: mrhatken at mac.com (Ashley Aitken) Date: Sun Apr 8 08:48:01 2007 Subject: Debugging Triplicate Emails Message-ID: <516B4630-ADD4-460E-8FB3-BF384D6A0B1C@mac.com> Hello All, I'm still trying to debug why one colleague (at least, others may not be telling me) always receives triplicate emails from me, and not others who use our same mail server etc. He does use MS Outlook for his mail but he doesn't have this problem with anyone else, so it seems to implicate me, and particularly my machine. Interestingly, others (his partner) on the same email server that he uses doesn't seem to get triplicates from me either, so it seems very strange (at least to me). I believe I "configured" postfix in the past to try to send using localhost (for when I was travelling) by following advice from the Web but I get lost when I look in the postfix config files now. I'm using the latest version of MacOSX Server as our mail server and it seems to work fine for other users (no triplicates as I mentioned). I'm running the latest version of MacOSX Client. For example, I can send emails to another email server at work, or to my gmail account, or to other friends and they don't seem to receive triplicate emails. I sent a test email to my colleague from within our local network whilst logging for SMTP was set to Information and got the following (slightly anonymised): > Apr 8 20:39:11 server postfix/smtpd[13688]: connect from > server.ourdomain.com[1.2.3.4] > Apr 8 20:39:11 server postfix/smtpd[13688]: B6879DA5341: > client=server.ourdomain.com[1.2.3.4], sasl_method=XYZ, > sasl_username=ashley > Apr 8 20:39:11 server postfix/cleanup[13670]: B6879DA5341: message- > id=<0FCD9333-7D02-4BED-86D1-E55319394CFD@ourdomain.com> > Apr 8 20:39:11 server postfix/qmgr[13650]: B6879DA5341: > from=, size=660, nrcpt=1 (queue active) > Apr 8 20:39:39 server postfix/smtpd[13911]: connect from localhost > [127.0.0.1] > Apr 8 20:39:39 server postfix/smtpd[13911]: 95A4CDA5384: > client=localhost[127.0.0.1] > Apr 8 20:39:39 server postfix/cleanup[13670]: 95A4CDA5384: message- > id=<0FCD9333-7D02-4BED-86D1-E55319394CFD@ourdomain.com> > Apr 8 20:39:39 server postfix/qmgr[13650]: 95A4CDA5384: > from=, size=1271, nrcpt=1 (queue active) > Apr 8 20:39:39 server postfix/smtpd[13911]: disconnect from > localhost[127.0.0.1] > Apr 8 20:39:39 server postfix/smtp[13690]: B6879DA5341: > to=, relay=127.0.0.1[127.0.0.1], > delay=28, status=sent (250 2.6.0 Ok, id=13124-10, from MTA: 250 Ok: > queued as 95A4CDA5384) > Apr 8 20:39:39 server postfix/qmgr[13650]: B6879DA5341: removed > Apr 8 20:39:40 server postfix/smtp[13927]: 95A4CDA5384: > to=, relay=theirdomain.com.au[2.3.4.5], > delay=1, status=sent (250 OK id=1HaWfi-0003NQ-Qr) > Apr 8 20:39:40 server postfix/qmgr[13650]: 95A4CDA5384: removed > Apr 8 20:40:12 server postfix/smtpd[13688]: disconnect from > server.ourdomain.com[1.2.3.4] If I try to analyse that: > Apr 8 20:39:11 server postfix/smtpd[13688]: connect from > server.ourdomain.com[1.2.3.4] > Apr 8 20:39:11 server postfix/smtpd[13688]: B6879DA5341: > client=server.ourdomain.com[1.2.3.4], sasl_method=XYZ, > sasl_username=ashley I am not connecting from the server but I believe it is suggesting this because our external IP address resolves to server.ourdomain.com? > Apr 8 20:39:11 server postfix/cleanup[13670]: B6879DA5341: message- > id=<0FCD9333-7D02-4BED-86D1-E55319394CFD@ourdomain.com> > Apr 8 20:39:11 server postfix/qmgr[13650]: B6879DA5341: > from=, size=660, nrcpt=1 (queue active) Ok, so it gets the message to send correctly. > Apr 8 20:39:39 server postfix/smtpd[13911]: connect from localhost > [127.0.0.1] > Apr 8 20:39:39 server postfix/smtpd[13911]: 95A4CDA5384: > client=localhost[127.0.0.1] This looks ominous, another connection from my machine (localhost?) > Apr 8 20:39:39 server postfix/cleanup[13670]: 95A4CDA5384: message- > id=<0FCD9333-7D02-4BED-86D1-E55319394CFD@ourdomain.com> > Apr 8 20:39:39 server postfix/qmgr[13650]: 95A4CDA5384: > from=, size=1271, nrcpt=1 (queue active) Hmmm, message id is the same but size is double, more headers? > Apr 8 20:39:39 server postfix/smtpd[13911]: disconnect from > localhost[127.0.0.1] Disconnect from local host ok. > Apr 8 20:39:39 server postfix/smtp[13690]: B6879DA5341: > to=, relay=127.0.0.1[127.0.0.1], > delay=28, status=sent (250 2.6.0 Ok, id=13124-10, from MTA: 250 Ok: > queued as 95A4CDA5384) > Apr 8 20:39:39 server postfix/qmgr[13650]: B6879DA5341: removed Sending once? > Apr 8 20:39:40 server postfix/smtp[13927]: 95A4CDA5384: > to=, relay=theirdomain.com.au[2.3.4.5], > delay=1, status=sent (250 OK id=1HaWfi-0003NQ-Qr) > Apr 8 20:39:40 server postfix/qmgr[13650]: 95A4CDA5384: removed > Apr 8 20:40:12 server postfix/smtpd[13688]: disconnect from > server.ourdomain.com[1.2.3.4] Sending twice? It looks like it is, one initiated from the server and one from my localhost? But they get three copies? I've asked them to bounce the emails to me and the headers are exactly the same on all the emails. I'm wondering if some email client or some receiving email servers are smart enough to ignore triplicate emails but this one isn't? If anyone can suggest what may be wrong from the information provided I would be most grateful, or any other places I should be looking, things to do etc. Cheers, Ashley. -- Ashley Aitken Perth, Western Australia mrhatken at mac dot com Skype Name: MrHatken (GMT + 8 Hours!) From jearle at gmail.com Sun Apr 8 09:09:53 2007 From: jearle at gmail.com (Jared Earle) Date: Sun Apr 8 09:09:56 2007 Subject: Debugging Triplicate Emails In-Reply-To: <516B4630-ADD4-460E-8FB3-BF384D6A0B1C@mac.com> References: <516B4630-ADD4-460E-8FB3-BF384D6A0B1C@mac.com> Message-ID: <5bbc0cd60704080909w2b326cf5yf2fe8ddb7f490c46@mail.gmail.com> On 4/8/07, Ashley Aitken wrote: > He does use MS Outlook for his mail but he doesn't have this problem > with anyone else, so it seems to implicate me, and particularly my > machine. Get him to turn all his Filters off and retest. More often than not, Outlook Rules are responsible for duplicate mails. -- Jared Earle :: There is no SPORK jearle@gmail.com :: http://www.23x.net The Spodcast :: http://spodcast.org From janos.lobb at yale.edu Mon Apr 9 07:37:21 2007 From: janos.lobb at yale.edu (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?J=E1nos?=) Date: Mon Apr 9 07:37:43 2007 Subject: regex question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Apr 5, 2007, at 7:26 PM, Dan Shoop wrote: > At 2:54 PM -0700 4/5/07, Ian Ward Comfort wrote: >> On Apr 5, 2007, at 2:16 PM, Dan Shoop wrote: >>> At 2:44 PM -0400 4/5/07, J?nos wrote: >>>> Milo and Kreme gave some good tips, so for now I go with >>>> >>>>>> "^[ACNS][0-9]{2}-[0-9]{1,6}$" >>> >>> If your lib supports $, and I think that should be "^[ACNS][0-9] >>> {2}-[0-9]{1,6}.*$" is you want to accept lines with stuff at the >>> ends. >> >> What's the point of the upper bound on final digits if you're >> going to accept any trailing string with .*$ anyway? > > I'm not sure if he is, Yes, I am :) /Read original post/ J?nos > but otherwise, yeah, you'd be right. > > -- > > -dhan > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > Dan Shoop AIM: > iWiring > Systems & Networks Architect http:// > www.ustsvs.com/ > shoop@iwiring.net http:// > www.iwiring.net/ > 1-714-363-1174 > > "The wise man doesn't give the right answers, he poses the right > questions." -- Claude Levi-Strauss > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > > iWiring provides systems and networks support for Mac OS X, unix, and > Open Source application technologies at affordable rates. > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-admin mailing list > MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin From shoop at iwiring.net Mon Apr 9 09:52:47 2007 From: shoop at iwiring.net (Dan Shoop) Date: Mon Apr 9 09:53:04 2007 Subject: regex question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 10:37 AM -0400 4/9/07, J?nos wrote: >On Apr 5, 2007, at 7:26 PM, Dan Shoop wrote: > >>At 2:54 PM -0700 4/5/07, Ian Ward Comfort wrote: >>>On Apr 5, 2007, at 2:16 PM, Dan Shoop wrote: >>>>At 2:44 PM -0400 4/5/07, J?nos wrote: >>>>>Milo and Kreme gave some good tips, so for now I go with >>>>> >>>>>>>"^[ACNS][0-9]{2}-[0-9]{1,6}$" >>>> >>>>If your lib supports $, and I think that >>>>should be "^[ACNS][0-9]{2}-[0-9]{1,6}.*$" is >>>>you want to accept lines with stuff at the >>>>ends. >>> >>>What's the point of the upper bound on final >>>digits if you're going to accept any trailing >>>string with .*$ anyway? >> >>I'm not sure if he is, > >Yes, I am :) /Read original post/ No, it's not what you said: At 11:31 AM -0400 4/5/07, J?nos wrote: >I need to match some strings that must start >with any of 'S', 'A', 'C' or 'N', followed by >two digits followed by a '-' /dash/, followed by >one to six digits. The above does not say there may be things after the final one to six digits. The string must start with the characters S/A/C/N and then be followed by the rest but doesn't specify if that's all there is in the string or not. Hence my statement. -- -dhan ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Dan Shoop AIM: iWiring Systems & Networks Architect http://www.ustsvs.com/ shoop@iwiring.net http://www.iwiring.net/ 1-714-363-1174 "The wis