From mbplist at csr-bos.com Sun Feb 1 04:20:40 2004 From: mbplist at csr-bos.com (Mark Palmerino) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:44 2005 Subject: How to configure Apple Mail In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0CDF38F5-54B1-11D8-93DF-000A95A93F4C@csr-bos.com> Hi, Just an update... On Jan 31, 2004, at 6:02 PM, Giuliano Gavazzi wrote: > Not exactly. I would say that when you use "mail", as I wrote before, > it is not using SMTP, it is only calling the MTA > (postfix/sendmail/exim or whatever) with command line arguments to > send the message. I do not know how to configure postfix, but it > should not be difficult, to make it run as an MTA listening on the > local interface. Still you really want to use a smart host (smtp > relay) with authentication. Yes, I agree with that - I will be looking into ISP's who might provide an smtp relay with authentication. Hopefully, I'll be able to find one. Again, if anyone has any suggestions, I would be grateful. > >> If so, how would one configure postfix to relay from 127.0.0.1? I did figure one thing out, though. By uncommenting a line in the master.cf file in /etc/postfix (the one that references smtp), I was able to configure Apple Mail to send mail through 127.0.0.1. Thanks again for the help! Mark From dario at dndltd.com Sun Feb 1 07:37:06 2004 From: dario at dndltd.com (Dario) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:44 2005 Subject: Remote / Internet Backup Service? In-Reply-To: <8C1D5716-5472-11D8-8DCD-000A95BAF960@primax.com> Message-ID: I have a remote back up system called eFileDepot.com. I have law firms as well as graphics firms so I have a list of satisfied clients. I'm actually working on getting funding this year for some serious advertising to the Mac community. It is an OSX server machine so I will play very well with others. You can use goliath or retrospect for automated back up, or any other way you want to use. You can mount it on your desktop or use ftp, whatever your heart desires. Let me know if I can be of service. Dario > From: james o > Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 23:53:16 -0500 > To: ?j a m e s o > Cc: OSX admin > Subject: Remote / Internet Backup Service? > > just wondering if anyone can recommend a remote backup service that has > an OS X client or plays well with OS X. > > doing a brief search i've found these mac compatible services: > http://www.ibackup.com/ > http://backjack.com/ > http://mac.com > iDisk > > thanks, > ./james > > { primax STUDIO : http://primaxSTUDIO.com : 513.772.1223 } > > > > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-admin mailing list > MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin From mbplist at csr-bos.com Sun Feb 1 07:47:32 2004 From: mbplist at csr-bos.com (Mark Palmerino) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:44 2005 Subject: Remote Server Administration - what port(s) to forward? Message-ID: Hi, I'm hoping this is a somewhat simple request, though some quick googling has not turned up an answer... I need to administer a panther server which is sitting behind a NAT box. I have the server tools installed on my laptop. I can access the server when I am also behind the NAT box by using the IP address of the server machine. However, I would like to be able to access the server from outside the network as well. I'm guessing that I need to forward some ports to the server machine. Does anyone know what ports need to be forwarded? Thanks! Mark From mbartosh at mac.com Sun Feb 1 08:23:00 2004 From: mbartosh at mac.com (Michael Bartosh) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:44 2005 Subject: ericsson t616 modem script In-Reply-To: <89BDCD47-5477-11D8-B979-000A9573CF20@mac.com> References: <9EE7EDFC-546A-11D8-AEA5-003065A70D30@objectwerks.com> <867FAA51-5471-11D8-9450-0003934CBC52@colorremedies.com> <89BDCD47-5477-11D8-B979-000A9573CF20@mac.com> Message-ID: At 12:28 AM -0500 2/1/04, Charlton Wilbur wrote: >, you're lucky to see 9600 baud, and it's terribly wasteful to send >digitized sound instead of just sending the data directly. That's fine- all I need is ssh. -- http://www.4am-media.com Mac OS X Consulting and Training Michael Bartosh mbartosh@4am-media.com 303.517.0272 Denver, CO "The surest way to corrupt a youth is to instruct him to hold in higher regard those who think alike than those who think differently." - -- Nietzsche Think Different. From magill at mcgillsociety.org Sun Feb 1 08:26:21 2004 From: magill at mcgillsociety.org (William H. Magill) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:44 2005 Subject: ericsson t616 modem script In-Reply-To: References: <9EE7EDFC-546A-11D8-AEA5-003065A70D30@objectwerks.com> <867FAA51-5471-11D8-9450-0003934CBC52@colorremedies.com> Message-ID: <5F08001C-54D3-11D8-A1C9-000393768D2C@mcgillsociety.org> On 01 Feb, 2004, at 01:36, Chad Leigh -- ObjectWerks Inc. wrote: > On Jan 31, 2004, at 11:20 PM, Leon Towns-von Stauber wrote: >>> Someone told me that T-Mobile also has a way to connect to the >>> internet, but I'm not sure if it's also GPRS only, or what. >> >> The T-Mobile unlimited Internet service is an extra $5 a month, >> and works well with Mac OS X over Bluetooth. It's pretty slick >> to access the Internet from a wireless laptop through a wireless >> phone anywhere within cell coverage. > > Cool, they changed it again. Maybe I will have to sign up for it... > When I checked a month ago it was $19.99 (and had before that been > $9.99)... Doesn't T-mobile actually just use/resell ATT's network? (i.e. They don't have their own towers.) T.T.F.N. William H. Magill # Beige G3 - Rev A motherboard - 768 Meg # Flat-panel iMac (2.1) 800MHz - Super Drive - 768 Meg # PWS433a [Alpha 21164 Rev 7.2 (EV56)- 64 Meg]- Tru64 5.1a # XP1000 - [Alpha EV6] magill@mcgillsociety.org magill@acm.org magill@mac.com From magill at mcgillsociety.org Sun Feb 1 08:33:21 2004 From: magill at mcgillsociety.org (William H. Magill) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:44 2005 Subject: Remote Server Administration - what port(s) to forward? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <597B6C82-54D4-11D8-A1C9-000393768D2C@mcgillsociety.org> On 01 Feb, 2004, at 10:47, Mark Palmerino wrote: > I'm hoping this is a somewhat simple request, though some quick > googling has not turned up an answer... Forget Google for any question like this -- search the Kbase at www.apple.com/support > I need to administer a panther server which is sitting behind a NAT > box. I have the server tools installed on my laptop. I can access > the server when I am also behind the NAT box by using the IP address > of the server machine. > > However, I would like to be able to access the server from outside the > network as well. I'm guessing that I need to forward some ports to > the server machine. Does anyone know what ports need to be forwarded? Start here... http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=107846 The list of ports is here: http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=106439 T.T.F.N. William H. Magill # Beige G3 - Rev A motherboard - 768 Meg # Flat-panel iMac (2.1) 800MHz - Super Drive - 768 Meg # PWS433a [Alpha 21164 Rev 7.2 (EV56)- 64 Meg]- Tru64 5.1a # XP1000 - [Alpha EV6] magill@mcgillsociety.org magill@acm.org magill@mac.com From robertcerny at mac.com Sun Feb 1 09:19:09 2004 From: robertcerny at mac.com (Robert Cerny) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:44 2005 Subject: Help - MacOSX can't find User or Classic fonts? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi, did you try to empty all font caches? I've seen some info on Extensis web pages, otherwise there is a list on this page (it's in czech but you can understand it very well): http://www.fontexplorer.cz/ubb/viewtopic.php?t=4 Robert On 1.2.2004, at 6:51, Ashley Aitken wrote: > Howdy All, > > I'm in font hell. > > Mac OS X can't see any fonts in my ~/Library/Fonts folder or Classic's > Font folder. I originall thought it was a classic thing, until I saw > the User fonts were also missing. > > Font Book shows these collections (ie Classic and User under All) as > empty and disabled and won't let me enable them. > > It seems that it all works for users with their home directory on root > volume (ie /Users). But not for users with their home directory on > another volume /Volume/Data/Users). > > Everything else has been working fine, and this hasn't always been the > case (maybe post 10.3). I am setting the home directory in NetInfo, > not > using a symbolic link for Users. > > I've checked permissions, removed all but one font, deleted preference > files, deleted collections, searched the Web, read about fonts, checked > the Font Book Help. > > Any suggestions? > > Can anyone confirm that they have User fonts and Classic fonts showing > up in Mac OS X when those are located on another partition (besides the > root partition)? > > Thanks in advance, > Ashley. > > > -- > Dr Ashley Aitken - Senior Lecturer > School of Information Systems, Curtin Business School > Curtin University of Technology, GPO Box U 1987 Perth WA 6845 Australia > Wb http://www.cbs.curtin.edu.au/is/staff/aitken.htm > Em A.Aitken@Curtin.Edu.Au (Preferred) > Ph +61 (0)8 9266-7075 > Fx +61 (0)8 9266-3076 > Mb +61 (0)4 1226-8159 > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-admin mailing list > MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin From hscholz at wormulon.net Sun Feb 1 09:56:09 2004 From: hscholz at wormulon.net (Hendrik Scholz) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:44 2005 Subject: Fiberchannel hba? Message-ID: Hi! I'd like to hook up large storage (500GB to ~10TB) to Dual G5 Macs. What kind of hba could I use? Emulex doesn't offer drivers and the Qlogic ISP series driver project has been stopped :( Thanks, Hendrik -- Hendrik Scholz - hscholz@raisdorf.net - http://www.raisdorf.net/ cell phone: 404-606-5324 (US) 0160-1570-272 (DE) From mbplist at csr-bos.com Sun Feb 1 10:14:28 2004 From: mbplist at csr-bos.com (Mark Palmerino) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:44 2005 Subject: Remote Server Administration - what port(s) to forward? In-Reply-To: <597B6C82-54D4-11D8-A1C9-000393768D2C@mcgillsociety.org> References: <597B6C82-54D4-11D8-A1C9-000393768D2C@mcgillsociety.org> Message-ID: <7942D266-54E2-11D8-93DF-000A95A93F4C@csr-bos.com> Hi William, Thanks for the great pointers! A couple more questions/pleas for help... On Feb 1, 2004, at 11:33 AM, William H. Magill wrote: > Start here... > > http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=107846 > > The list of ports is here: > > http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=106439 The latter document was helpful in giving me some hints. I tried different combinations, until one seems to work for using server admin. I forwarded the following ports: 600 to 1023 660 687 311 Until I added 311, nothing worked. Now a couple of questions: 1. Is it redundant to have 600 to 1023 forwarded and also 660 and 687? If so, would it be better to forward just 660 and 687 rather than the whole range? Are any of these even necessary, or is just 311 necessary? 2. I am not confident that I have all the ports forwarded that I need - are there any others? Things seem to be working at this point, though. 3. The Server Monitor software does not seem to work, even though I have 687 forwarded. When I attempt to monitor the server, I get a "Reply not understood" in the Status Summary. Hmmm, I just tried accessing it locally, and get the same thing, so it doesn't seem to be a port forwarding problem. Back to the manual on this one... Thanks again for your help! Mark From mbartosh at mac.com Sun Feb 1 10:36:29 2004 From: mbartosh at mac.com (Michael Bartosh) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:44 2005 Subject: Remote Server Administration - what port(s) to forward? In-Reply-To: <7942D266-54E2-11D8-93DF-000A95A93F4C@csr-bos.com> References: <597B6C82-54D4-11D8-A1C9-000393768D2C@mcgillsociety.org> <7942D266-54E2-11D8-93DF-000A95A93F4C@csr-bos.com> Message-ID: At 1:14 PM -0500 2/1/04, Mark Palmerino wrote: >Until I added 311, nothing worked. > >Now a couple of questions: sudo lsof -i | grep LISTEN (tells you what process is listening on what port... in 10.3 you care about DirectoryService and servermgrd. Both have good man pages. 10.2 you care about serversettingsd as well) sudo tcpdump -i en0 -vvv host server.domain.com ...now make some connections w/ your gui apps and see what connects to what. -- http://www.4am-media.com Mac OS X Consulting and Training Michael Bartosh mbartosh@4am-media.com 303.517.0272 Denver, CO "The surest way to corrupt a youth is to instruct him to hold in higher regard those who think alike than those who think differently." - -- Nietzsche Think Different. From b.lloyd at mac.com Sun Feb 1 11:01:59 2004 From: b.lloyd at mac.com (Bill Lloyd) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:44 2005 Subject: Fiberchannel hba? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1C88D7E4-54E9-11D8-A922-000393A47BF4@mac.com> Why not use Apple's HBA? It's $500, and includes 2 SFP to SFP cables. Normally it's used to hook up with Xserve RAID (3.5 terabytes, $11K) but you can use it with whatever you want... it's just fibre. Note the HBA has SFP out. If you want to use LC, you need a transceiver (about $180 at the apple store, per channel). Cheers, -Bill On Feb 1, 2004, at 9:56 AM, Hendrik Scholz wrote: > Hi! > > I'd like to hook up large storage (500GB to ~10TB) to Dual G5 Macs. > What kind of hba could I use? > Emulex doesn't offer drivers and the Qlogic ISP series driver project > has been stopped :( > > Thanks, Hendrik > > -- > Hendrik Scholz - hscholz@raisdorf.net - http://www.raisdorf.net/ > cell phone: 404-606-5324 (US) 0160-1570-272 (DE) > > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-admin mailing list > MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin From mbplist at csr-bos.com Sun Feb 1 11:15:57 2004 From: mbplist at csr-bos.com (Mark Palmerino) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:44 2005 Subject: Remote Server Administration - what port(s) to forward? In-Reply-To: References: <597B6C82-54D4-11D8-A1C9-000393768D2C@mcgillsociety.org> <7942D266-54E2-11D8-93DF-000A95A93F4C@csr-bos.com> Message-ID: <1021B902-54EB-11D8-93DF-000A95A93F4C@csr-bos.com> Hi, Thanks for the suggestions - some feedback and some questions: On Feb 1, 2004, at 1:36 PM, Michael Bartosh wrote: > sudo lsof -i | grep LISTEN > > (tells you what process is listening on what port... in 10.3 you care > about DirectoryService and servermgrd. Both have good man pages. 10.2 > you care about serversettingsd as well) Ok - I presume the above should be run on the server machine (as opposed to the remote). Here is the output from that command run on the server while no "GUI" commands were running (either locally or remotely): netinfod 134 root 7u IPv4 0x01616d8c 0t0 TCP localhost:netinfo-local (LISTEN) cupsd 297 root 0u IPv4 0x01806490 0t0 TCP localhost:ipp (LISTEN) PasswordS 317 root 13u IPv4 0x01893744 0t0 TCP *:3com-tsmux (LISTEN) PasswordS 317 root 14u IPv4 0x01893490 0t0 TCP *:apple-sasl (LISTEN) PasswordS 317 root 15u IPv4 0x018931dc 0t0 TCP *:3com-tsmux (LISTEN) PasswordS 317 root 16u IPv4 0x018d4d8c 0t0 TCP *:apple-sasl (LISTEN) master 319 root 11u IPv4 0x017c324c 0t0 TCP *:smtp (LISTEN) master 321 cyrus 8u IPv4 0x019e6f98 0t0 TCP *:pop3 (LISTEN) mysqld 363 mysql 4u IPv4 0x01809aa0 0t0 TCP *:mysql (LISTEN) Directory 385 root 6u IPv4 0x01893f60 0t0 TCP *:dec_dlm (LISTEN) smbd 389 root 13u IPv4 0x01806744 0t0 TCP *:microsoft-ds (LISTEN) smbd 389 root 14u IPv4 0x018069f8 0t0 TCP *:netbios-ssn (LISTEN) servermgr 394 root 16u IPv4 0x01896d54 0t0 TCP *:asip-webadmin (LISTEN) servermgr 394 root 17u IPv4 0x01897008 0t0 TCP *:asipregistry (LISTEN) AppleFile 397 root 30u IPv4 0x01954d8c 0t0 TCP *:afpovertcp (LISTEN) slpd 401 root 2u IPv4 0x018d37ec 0t0 TCP *:svrloc (LISTEN) servermgr 402 root 16u IPv4 0x01896d54 0t0 TCP *:asip-webadmin (LISTEN) servermgr 402 root 17u IPv4 0x01897008 0t0 TCP *:asipregistry (LISTEN) httpd 421 root 16u IPv4 0x019aff60 0t0 TCP *:16080 (LISTEN) httpd 421 root 17u IPv4 0x019afcac 0t0 TCP *:9010 (LISTEN) webperfca 426 root 2u IPv4 0x0197fa30 0t0 TCP *:9011 (LISTEN) webperfca 426 root 3u IPv4 0x0197f77c 0t0 TCP *:http (LISTEN) httpd 429 www 16u IPv4 0x019aff60 0t0 TCP *:16080 (LISTEN) httpd 429 www 17u IPv4 0x019afcac 0t0 TCP *:9010 (LISTEN) httpd 455 www 16u IPv4 0x019aff60 0t0 TCP *:16080 (LISTEN) httpd 455 www 17u IPv4 0x019afcac 0t0 TCP *:9010 (LISTEN) servermgr 1668 root 16u IPv4 0x01896d54 0t0 TCP *:asip-webadmin (LISTEN) servermgr 1668 root 17u IPv4 0x01897008 0t0 TCP *:asipregistry (LISTEN) servermgr 1685 root 16u IPv4 0x01896d54 0t0 TCP *:asip-webadmin (LISTEN) servermgr 1685 root 17u IPv4 0x01897008 0t0 TCP *:asipregistry (LISTEN) One thing I notice is that none of the ports that I forwarded are on this list (311, 660, 687). On the other hand, all the following ports are on the list associated with servermgrd: 394, 402, 1668 and 1685 Do I need to forward all those? I guess I don't quite understand the correspondence between the output of the lsof command above and the list that William suggested (which, at least by my reading, suggested that ports 311, 660 and 687 should be forwarded). Any suggestions/clarifications? Mark > > sudo tcpdump -i en0 -vvv host server.domain.com > > ...now make some connections w/ your gui apps and see what connects to > what. From mylists at serverlogistics.com Sun Feb 1 11:21:07 2004 From: mylists at serverlogistics.com (Aaron Faby) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:44 2005 Subject: ericsson t616 modem script In-Reply-To: References: <9EE7EDFC-546A-11D8-AEA5-003065A70D30@objectwerks.com> <867FAA51-5471-11D8-9450-0003934CBC52@colorremedies.com> <89BDCD47-5477-11D8-B979-000A9573CF20@mac.com> Message-ID: Hey Mike, Another solution you may want to consider is the Nokia 6800 with ATT Wireless. It's the phone with the flip out keyboard. A company called Idokorro Mobile makes an SSH client for this phone (http://www.idokorro.com). *Very* handy. No need to lug around your laptop. If you need access, just SSH right from your phone. It's not as nice, but it gets the job done. You can also get a full HTML browser called WebViewer for it as well. The 6810 and 6820 will be out soon, which has Bluetooth and EDGE. Regards, Aaron On Feb 1, 2004, at 8:23 AM, Michael Bartosh wrote: > At 12:28 AM -0500 2/1/04, Charlton Wilbur wrote: >> , you're lucky to see 9600 baud, and it's terribly wasteful to send >> digitized sound instead of just sending the data directly. > > That's fine- all I need is ssh. > > -- > > http://www.4am-media.com > Mac OS X Consulting and Training > Michael Bartosh > mbartosh@4am-media.com > 303.517.0272 > Denver, CO > > > "The surest way to corrupt a youth is to instruct him to hold in higher > regard those who think alike than those who think differently." > > - -- Nietzsche > Think Different. > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-admin mailing list > MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin > ---------------------------------------------------------------- Aaron Faby Server Logistics aaron@serverlogistics.com Phone: 888-886-4044 http://www.serverlogistics.com Fax: 323-372-3546 http://www.serverlogistics.com/publickeys/aaronfaby.gpgkey ---------------------------------------------------------------- From chad+macosx at objectwerks.com Sun Feb 1 11:22:16 2004 From: chad+macosx at objectwerks.com (Chad Leigh -- ObjectWerks Inc.) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:44 2005 Subject: ericsson t616 modem script In-Reply-To: <5F08001C-54D3-11D8-A1C9-000393768D2C@mcgillsociety.org> References: <9EE7EDFC-546A-11D8-AEA5-003065A70D30@objectwerks.com> <867FAA51-5471-11D8-9450-0003934CBC52@colorremedies.com> <5F08001C-54D3-11D8-A1C9-000393768D2C@mcgillsociety.org> Message-ID: On Feb 1, 2004, at 9:26 AM, William H. Magill wrote: > On 01 Feb, 2004, at 01:36, Chad Leigh -- ObjectWerks Inc. wrote: >> On Jan 31, 2004, at 11:20 PM, Leon Towns-von Stauber wrote: >>>> Someone told me that T-Mobile also has a way to connect to the >>>> internet, but I'm not sure if it's also GPRS only, or what. >>> >>> The T-Mobile unlimited Internet service is an extra $5 a month, >>> and works well with Mac OS X over Bluetooth. It's pretty slick >>> to access the Internet from a wireless laptop through a wireless >>> phone anywhere within cell coverage. >> >> Cool, they changed it again. Maybe I will have to sign up for it... >> When I checked a month ago it was $19.99 (and had before that been >> $9.99)... > > Doesn't T-mobile actually just use/resell ATT's network? (i.e. They > don't have their own towers.) > > I replied privately but the answer is NO. T-Mobile was originally Voicestream (I believe aka western wireless) in the US and was one of the original GSM providers in the US. I got my first Voicestream phone in early 1997. AT&T is still rolling out their GSM network and just got to SLC Utah a little over a year ago. T-Mobile does have extensive roaming agreements with various GSM providers, but very little with AT&T. Chad From fabienlroy at mac.com Sun Feb 1 11:56:52 2004 From: fabienlroy at mac.com (Fabien Roy) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:44 2005 Subject: Remote Server Administration - what port(s) to forward? In-Reply-To: <597B6C82-54D4-11D8-A1C9-000393768D2C@mcgillsociety.org> References: <597B6C82-54D4-11D8-A1C9-000393768D2C@mcgillsociety.org> Message-ID: What about using a VPN solution between your laptop and your server? Fabien. On Feb 1, 2004, at 8:33 AM, William H. Magill wrote: > On 01 Feb, 2004, at 10:47, Mark Palmerino wrote: >> I'm hoping this is a somewhat simple request, though some quick >> googling has not turned up an answer... > > Forget Google for any question like this -- search the Kbase at > www.apple.com/support > >> I need to administer a panther server which is sitting behind a NAT >> box. I have the server tools installed on my laptop. I can access >> the server when I am also behind the NAT box by using the IP address >> of the server machine. >> >> However, I would like to be able to access the server from outside >> the network as well. I'm guessing that I need to forward some ports >> to the server machine. Does anyone know what ports need to be >> forwarded? > > Start here... > > http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=107846 > > The list of ports is here: > > http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=106439 > > T.T.F.N. > William H. Magill > # Beige G3 - Rev A motherboard - 768 Meg > # Flat-panel iMac (2.1) 800MHz - Super Drive - 768 Meg > # PWS433a [Alpha 21164 Rev 7.2 (EV56)- 64 Meg]- Tru64 5.1a > # XP1000 - [Alpha EV6] > magill@mcgillsociety.org > magill@acm.org > magill@mac.com > > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-admin mailing list > MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin > From Mailing.Appledev at xs4all.nl Sun Feb 1 12:35:25 2004 From: Mailing.Appledev at xs4all.nl (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_van_Amerongen?=) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:44 2005 Subject: Urgent: HD crash! Want to buy Samsung spinpoint, works on quicksilver? In-Reply-To: References: <87DEF19C-5307-11D8-B726-0003937C32E4@xs4all.nl> <11D1D380-5339-11D8-A7F4-0003934CBC52@colorremedies.com> Message-ID: <2A176D97-54F6-11D8-B726-0003937C32E4@xs4all.nl> Thank you, Does this mean that I can connect in total 6 drives? Each one can have a Master and a slave drive? Op 30-jan-04 om 17:24 heeft Chris Murphy het volgende geschreven: > > On Jan 30, 2004, at 9:02 AM, Shawn Erickson wrote: > >> ATA/100 will work as well. (even ATA/66 if the controller has the >> ability to support 48b addressing) > > Correction. The 2002 Quicksilver has three ATA buses: ATA/100, ATA/66, > and ATA/33. The ATA/100 bus is next to the CPU, and supports 48-bit > LBA. So if Ren? hooks up his new driver to this bus he should be able > to use all 160GB. You make me curious. Where did you find this info? I didn't see this in the following docs Master/Slave - http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=24342 http://manuals.info.apple.com/Apple_Support_Area/Manuals/desktops/ 0342088.PDF http://manuals.info.apple.com/Apple_Support_Area/Manuals/specs/ desktops/L18299B_EN.pdf Ren? > AFAIK, Apple hasn't been using 48-bit ATA/66. > > Chris Murphy > Color Remedies (TM) > www.colorremedies.com/realworldcolor > --------------------------------------------------------- > Co-author "Real World Color Management" > Published by PeachPit Press (ISBN 0-201-77340-6) > > From mbartosh at mac.com Sun Feb 1 12:35:57 2004 From: mbartosh at mac.com (Michael Bartosh) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:44 2005 Subject: Remote Server Administration - what port(s) to forward? In-Reply-To: <1021B902-54EB-11D8-93DF-000A95A93F4C@csr-bos.com> References: <597B6C82-54D4-11D8-A1C9-000393768D2C@mcgillsociety.org> <7942D266-54E2-11D8-93DF-000A95A93F4C@csr-bos.com> <1021B902-54EB-11D8-93DF-000A95A93F4C@csr-bos.com> Message-ID: At 2:15 PM -0500 2/1/04, Mark Palmerino wrote: >Any suggestions/clarifications? you're confused about the output of lsof: At 2:15 PM -0500 2/1/04, Mark Palmerino wrote: >httpd 455 www 16u IPv4 0x019aff60 0t0 TCP *:16080 (LISTEN) >httpd 455 www 17u IPv4 0x019afcac 0t0 TCP *:9010 (LISTEN) >servermgr 1668 root 16u IPv4 0x01896d54 0t0 TCP >*:asip-webadmin (LISTEN) >servermgr 1668 root 17u IPv4 0x01897008 0t0 TCP >*:asipregistry (LISTEN) >servermgr 1685 root 16u IPv4 0x01896d54 0t0 TCP >*:asip-webadmin (LISTEN) >servermgr 1685 root 17u IPv4 0x01897008 0t0 TCP >*:asipregistry (LISTEN) the port is over on the far right. * means "i'm listening on every interface" asip-webadmin is the port. fury:~ mab9718$ cat /etc/services | grep asip-webadmin asip-webadmin 311/udp # AppleShare IP WebAdmin asip-webadmin 311/tcp # AppleShare IP WebAdmin asipregistry is 687, there's generally no reason to access it. It isn't encrypted. The more important aspect of my message was this: > >sudo tcpdump -i en0 -vvv host server.domain.com > >...now make some connections w/ your gui apps and see what connects to what. ...which will show you which ports are actually being used in a real connection. -- http://www.4am-media.com Mac OS X Consulting and Training Michael Bartosh mbartosh@4am-media.com 303.517.0272 Denver, CO "The surest way to corrupt a youth is to instruct him to hold in higher regard those who think alike than those who think differently." - -- Nietzsche Think Different. From macosxadmin at richramos.com Sun Feb 1 15:23:57 2004 From: macosxadmin at richramos.com (Rich Ramos) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:44 2005 Subject: 802.1x (WPA) authentication against Microsoft IAS not working Message-ID: <2147483647.1075649037@[10.112.1.222]> I've now gotten several requests off list aksing if I got this problem fixed or not. So I thought I would send a quick roundup of what my problem was. I want to thank Terry Simons of the University of Utah for help in solving my problem. I actually ran into a couple different problems that complicated things (isn't that the way it usually works :) 1. My MIS dept was using a Cert that was signed by our own company CA and therefore was not known to my Mac. Our was not a self signed cert but a cert that was signed by a private CA two up in a chain. You will probably have a similar problem with a self signed Cert. Look for an error in the /var/log/system.log file like this: /System/Library/SystemConfiguration/EAPOLController.bundle/Resources/ eapolclient: peap_handshake: SSLHandshake failed, errSSLNoRootCert (-9813) This should correspond to a message on the M$ Radius server to the effect of: "Reason = Authentication was not successful because an unknown user name or incorrect password was used." This is very misleading if you ask me, since it would seem that you have made it passed the exchange of Server Cert and you are on to the userid and password phase, however empirically this does not seem to be true. To get this working you need to import the CA Cert into a keychain on the system named "X509Anchors". When you double click the Cert file and Keychain asks you which Keychain to import into that one SHOULD be one listed. If not you can find it in "/System/Library/Keychains/X509Anchors". After you have done this, try to make your connection. You might get a warning message saying that the Cert from the server is untrusted and asking if you want to accept it. Visually verify that it is the right Cert and if it is accept it into the Keychain. This then got me authenticated to the Radius server. 2. I then had a second problem which was specific to the access point we are using at our company, which is an HP ProCurve. The HP ProCurve AP's configuration GUI is not very intuitive and they have implemented things that although are discussed in the WPA spec, are not truly WPA, i.e. HP allows for rotating WEP keys as an encryption method (I believe this is the default setting, not sure). However, rotating WEP keys is not nearly as secure as the WPA encryption method, which are TKIP or AES. When I changed the setting to be TKIP the connection came up without a hitch. (Note: For some weird reason there was one time, I was actually to get the link to come up and stay up while using the rotating WEP key config on the AP, but I could never reproduce it, so I don't know what was going on that time. I changed so many things and was working on this problem over several late night sessions, so it's hard to tell what was going on there. However, rotating WEP keys is not as secure as TKIP or AES and should be avoided without good reason and knowing what you are getting into.) That's most of what I can remember of the episode right now. Hope this helps. -Rich --- Original --- From: Rich Ramos To: macosx-admin@omnigroup.com Date: 1/9/04 1:12 PM +0000 Subject: 802.1x (WPA) authentication against Microsoft IAS not working Does anyone out there have their 10.3 Mac using 802.1x authentication working against a Microsoft IAS (RADIUS) server? I have a 17" laptop running 10.3.2 with airport extreme. I'm trying to authenticate against our company's M$ Radius server going through an HP ProCurve 420 AP. I have 802.1x configured in Internet Connect to use PEAP. When I try to authenticate I get an error on the my Mac saying: "802.1X Authentication has failed. (Error: 1001 on port en1)" On the RADIUS server I get the error message that basically says (I don't have the exact error message at hand right now) that the EAP-Type is undetermined. When configuring PEAP on the Mac there doesn't seem to be much of any choice about EAP types, AFAIK MSCHAPv2 is the only one out there and therefore the 802.1x client doesn't give me any choice. Other Windows clients in our corporate network are able to authenticate with out problems and their EPA-Type is MSCHAPv2. Does anyone have this config actually working? -Rich _______________________________________________ MacOSX-admin mailing list MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin From ian at acces.co.jp Sun Feb 1 17:53:50 2004 From: ian at acces.co.jp (Ian Masters) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:44 2005 Subject: Forcing password expiry In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Karl Are you using system 10.3/Panther? That option does not appear in 10.2.8. What I'm really looking for is something to automatically enforce a password change. Thanks anyway. Ian > In Server you go into Workgroup Managger, choose the user, and then > advanced, options, and then check "Require a change at next login". > > Karl Kuehn > larkost@softhome.net > > On Jan 29, 2004, at 7:20 PM, Ian Masters wrote: > >> I'm using both actually. >> >> What is the server method you're talking about? Is it not netinfo >> manager? > > From mbartosh at mac.com Sun Feb 1 18:03:07 2004 From: mbartosh at mac.com (Michael Bartosh) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:44 2005 Subject: Forcing password expiry In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 10:53 AM +0900 2/2/04, Ian Masters wrote: >What I'm really looking for is something to automatically enforce a password >change. You need dspasswd off of sourceforge. options not found in the gui are not supported by Apple. But dspasswd will talk directly to pws. -- http://www.4am-media.com Mac OS X Consulting and Training Michael Bartosh mbartosh@4am-media.com 303.517.0272 Denver, CO "The surest way to corrupt a youth is to instruct him to hold in higher regard those who think alike than those who think differently." - -- Nietzsche Think Different. From pf at semiotx.com Sun Feb 1 19:22:10 2004 From: pf at semiotx.com (Peter Fraterdeus) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:44 2005 Subject: (somewhat OT) php 'popen' question... In-Reply-To: <14AEF43A-5232-11D8-B5E1-000A95703418@improbable.org> References: <14AEF43A-5232-11D8-B5E1-000A95703418@improbable.org> Message-ID: Hi Chris Well, this is weird. Your tips work great, only not for rsync! At least the process does return right away... Works great for, say, an 'ls -la ~/' but not for something like: rsync -anvz -e "ssh -lpeterf" /www/fraterdeus.com/html/ www.fraterdeus.com:/home/httpd/html/webroot/webadmin/ I finally got my ssh host-based login to work, and this command works perfectly, spitting out a preview of the files to be transferred, when run on the command-line, but when run in the browser, returns nothing. Sure can't see what else to try here! Any ideas greatly appreciated! Peter Here's a recent approach (and a prior approach) - exec("$rsync_cmd",$results); //output thrown in $results $mycount=count($results); //counts number of rows $in results array for ($i=0; $i<$mycount; $i++) { print "$results[$i]
"; } /* $r= popen("$rsync_cmd","r"); while (!feof ($r)) { echo "
*".fgets($r, 4096)."*
"; flush(); } pclose($r); */ At 12:06 AM -0800 2004-01-29, Chris Adams wrote: >On Jan 28, 2004, at 19:19, Peter Fraterdeus wrote: >>The browser is timing out before the process returns (I'm using rsync and building the command based on user input from the web form) > >There are two things you can try - call set_time_limit() before starting the rsync and toss in a @ob_end_flush() at the top and call flush() after echo echo in your main loop. > >Chris -- AzByCx DwEvFu GtHsIr JqKpLo MnNmOl PkQjRi ShTgUf VeWdXc YbZa&@ Peter Fraterdeus http://www.fraterdeus.com http://www.semiotx.com Web Strategy Consulting "Words that work."(tm) Communication Design and Typography From dhrowe at mindspring.com Sun Feb 1 21:21:46 2004 From: dhrowe at mindspring.com (Doug Rowe) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:44 2005 Subject: cron and sleep in Panther Message-ID: From what I under, cron does NOT wake up computers from sleep. This is an issue for moble machines but also for me. I need to run a program every night, that must be logged in as a user. (it will not run as a ) The machine must use a password on the screen saver. With this combination IF I turn off energy saver, will my cron jobs run? (Assuming they will run) how do I get the machine to "login" in the middle of the night? Is there a way from the command line or Applescript or even quick keys to say in effect login with password "fred" # if I can get that step to work, the rest is reasonable Doug Rowe Robyte Consulting dhrowe@mindspring.com 904-536-1001 Member FileMaker Solutions Alliance From listuser at magicmiles.com Sun Feb 1 21:44:20 2004 From: listuser at magicmiles.com (m i l e s) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:44 2005 Subject: WiFi + OS X + Network Design. Message-ID: Hi, Im not sure this is the right place to ask this question...but I'll throw it out here. I have a client in my town that I have to design a somewhat secure WiFi network for. When I say "somewhat", I'll splain what that means: My client has a retail store that he wants to offer WiFi in, at the same time, he also has a small Wired network of computers that he'd like to have access to the internet. Both of these networks need to access the internet, but the WiFi one I dont want it to see the wired network, but the wired network can see and interact with the WiFi network. Am I dreamin or what ? My thinking is that a single router/firewall isn't going to do me much good here, as I need to set up two seperate networks, or am I wrong ? A switch is right out of the picture, too pricey for my needs. My WiFi network I want to limit to 15 users and limit their entire bandwidth usage to half our T-1. My WiFi users do not need to authenticate to get access to the net. They should be handed an IP address (DHCP) and be good to go. The Wired users have static IPs. The Wired network should NOT be "visable" from the internet, but I as the admin should be able to access any point inside that network once validated. Im swimming in terms and protocols at this point and really just a few pointers. I know an Airport Base Station, while it can handle the load, its got no firewall protection and no routing software. Netgear and LinkSys both have the tools that I need for setting up both the wired and wifi networks. Ive installed both types of routers before so Im no stranger to them. So where does OS X fit into this ? The wired network is all OS X machines, a mix of iMacs and Powerbooks, all running 10.3 thanks to me. Took me a week to get them all up to speed, OY! The WiFi is all laptops and will be a range of Windoze users and mac users. I know all of the above is vaguish...but its in my head that way....any pointers, any assistance would be greatly appreciated. Sincerely, -- M i l e s President & Toolbox Architect MagicMiles Software (413) 374 - 5161 PO Box 414, Northampton, MA 01060 http://www.servicetoolbox.com/ http://www.workshoptoolbox.com/ http://www.healingartstoolbox.com/ http://www.artshoptoolbox.com/ We create content management systems for the rest of us, starting at $25.00 a month, includes domain registration, web hosting, email and webmail. Great for Yoga Teachers, Massage Therapists, Lawyers, Doctors, and any professional! From justin at mac.com Sun Feb 1 21:54:36 2004 From: justin at mac.com (Justin Walker) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:44 2005 Subject: cron and sleep in Panther In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <480B6C3B-5544-11D8-8CE1-00306544D642@mac.com> On Sunday, February 1, 2004, at 09:21 PM, Doug Rowe wrote: > From what I under, cron does NOT wake up computers from sleep. This > is an issue for moble machines but also for me. Correct. > I need to run a program every night, that must be logged in as a user. > (it will not run as a ) The machine must use a password on the screen > saver. Can you try this paragraph again? It seems to have been garbled in transmission. > With this combination IF I turn off energy saver, will my cron jobs > run? Regardless of the configuration, there is no system available today that can wake itself up from sleep. The best you can do, as far as I know, is to have another system send a 'magic packet' to your system. If asleep, the magic packet will wake your system up (this is a setting in the Energy Saver panel [wake for network admin access]). You will need to have a program that sends such a packet invoked by cron on a non-sleeping machine. > (Assuming they will run) how do I get the machine to "login" in the > middle of the night? Is there a way from the command line or > Applescript or even quick keys to say in effect > login with password "fred" > # if I can get that step to work, the rest is reasonable I don't know what you want to do, but 'cron' jobs typically don't need to be logged in, even if the task you are invoking runs as, say, you. What are you trying to achieve? Why do you need to log in? Regards, Justin -- Justin C. Walker, Curmudgeon-At-Large * Institute for General Semantics | "Weaseling out of things is what | separates us from the animals. | Well, except the weasel." | - Homer J Simpson *--------------------------------------*-------------------------------* From justin at mac.com Sun Feb 1 22:19:49 2004 From: justin at mac.com (Justin Walker) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:44 2005 Subject: WiFi + OS X + Network Design. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sunday, February 1, 2004, at 09:44 PM, m i l e s wrote: > I have a client in my town that I have to design a somewhat secure > WiFi network for. When I say "somewhat", I'll splain what that means: > My client has a retail store that he wants to offer WiFi in, at the > same time, > he also has a small Wired network of computers that he'd like to have > access > to the internet. Both of these networks need to access the internet, > but the > WiFi one I dont want it to see the wired network, but the wired > network can > see and interact with the WiFi network. Am I dreamin or what ? Maybe not dreaming, but possibly not clear on routing...or perhaps on your aims. If you want systems on the wired network to talk with systems on the wireless network, you need to route packets between the two nets. NAT engines can perhaps help. See below. > My thinking is that a single router/firewall isn't going to do me much > good here, > as I need to set up two seperate networks, or am I wrong ? A switch > is right out > of the picture, too pricey for my needs. Neither switch nor hub will do what you need, I think, regardless of their prices and your budget. > My WiFi network I want to limit to 15 users > and limit their entire bandwidth usage to half our T-1. My WiFi users > do not > need to authenticate to get access to the net. They should be handed > an IP > address (DHCP) and be good to go. DHCP can help to limit the number of active users; or the total number of users. Bandwidth limitation is somewhat dicier. I don't know a good way to do this without something like a *BSD or Linux box; others on the list may know more. > The Wired users have static IPs. > The Wired network should NOT be "visable" from the internet, but I as > the > admin should be able to access any point inside that network once > validated. If you mean 'access from the Internet', this will be something like a VPN (e.g., an ssh tunnel, or a real VPN). > Im swimming in terms and protocols at this point and really just a few > pointers. I know an Airport Base Station, while it can handle the > load, its > got no firewall protection and no routing software. Actually, I think it (the Airport BS) does act as a router, unless you configure it in bridging mode. > Netgear and LinkSys > both have the tools that I need for setting up both the wired and wifi > networks. > Ive installed both types of routers before so Im no stranger to them. > > So where does OS X fit into this ? The wired network is all OS X > machines, > a mix of iMacs and Powerbooks, all running 10.3 thanks to me. Took me > a week > to get them all up to speed, OY! The WiFi is all laptops and will be > a range > of Windoze users and mac users. > > I know all of the above is vaguish...but its in my head that > way....any pointers, > any assistance would be greatly appreciated. It's possible that a firewall/NAT combo will do the job for you. With the proper configuration, you can administratively prohibit systems outside your wired network from gaining access to systems inside the wired network, and permit most access from the wired network to the outside world, be that your wireless subnet or the Internet. It's not clear from what you've said here, but I gather your wireless segment is 'private' (i.e., it does not have public addresses assigned to the systems there). It sounds like you need a NAT engine between the Internet and all of your systems, and a separate NAT engine between your wired and wireless subnets. This may not provide you with the answers you want; ask more questions if you need clarification. Regards, Justin -- Justin C. Walker, Curmudgeon-At-Large * Institute for General Semantics | When LuteFisk is outlawed | Only outlaws will have | LuteFisk *--------------------------------------*-------------------------------* From ghulands at framedphotographics.com Sun Feb 1 23:22:05 2004 From: ghulands at framedphotographics.com (Greg Hulands) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:44 2005 Subject: Autoconnecting pppoe at startup Message-ID: <80A73EA1-5550-11D8-B713-0003937807BE@framedphotographics.com> Hi, I have Panther server and am trying to get pppoe to autoconnect on startup, for if the server crashed, it could automatically restart and then connect to the internet. How can I achieve this? Is this even possible? Thanks, Greg From shoop at iwiring.net Sun Feb 1 23:25:18 2004 From: shoop at iwiring.net (Dan Shoop) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:44 2005 Subject: Remote / Internet Backup Service? In-Reply-To: <8C1D5716-5472-11D8-8DCD-000A95BAF960@primax.com> References: <5.0.0.25.2.20040115120649.00af40c8@mail.diligence.com> <8C1D5716-5472-11D8-8DCD-000A95BAF960@primax.com> Message-ID: At 11:53 PM -0500 1/31/04, james o wrote: >just wondering if anyone can recommend a remote backup service that >has an OS X client or plays well with OS X. > >doing a brief search i've found these mac compatible services: >http://www.ibackup.com/ >http://backjack.com/ >http://mac.com > iDisk Just by server space somewhere and push the backup to it using rsync or tar piped to ssh -- -dhan ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Dan Shoop shoop@iwiring.net Consulting Internet Architect shoop@mac.com AIM: iWiring pgp key fingerprint: FAC0 9434 B5A5 24A8 D0AF 12B1 7840 3BE7 3736 DE0B iWiring designs and supports Internet systems and networks based on Mac OS X, unix(tm), and Open Source applications technologies and offers 24x7, guaranteed support to registered clients. How can we help? From shoop at iwiring.net Sun Feb 1 23:49:17 2004 From: shoop at iwiring.net (Dan Shoop) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:44 2005 Subject: WiFi + OS X + Network Design. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 10:19 PM -0800 2/1/04, Justin Walker wrote: >>Im swimming in terms and protocols at this point and really just a few >>pointers. I know an Airport Base Station, while it can handle the load, its >>got no firewall protection and no routing software. > >Actually, I think it (the Airport BS) does act as a router, unless >you configure it in bridging mode. An Airport can bridge or route. >It's not clear from what you've said here, but I gather your >wireless segment is 'private' (i.e., it does not have public >addresses assigned to the systems there). It sounds like you need a >NAT engine between the Internet and all of your systems, and a >separate NAT engine between your wired and wireless subnets. The wireless segment could have public addresses, there's nothing prohibiting this, architecturally, and you might not want NAT. The wired network could be DMX'd or not as well. -- -dhan ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Dan Shoop shoop@iwiring.net Consulting Internet Architect shoop@mac.com AIM: iWiring pgp key fingerprint: FAC0 9434 B5A5 24A8 D0AF 12B1 7840 3BE7 3736 DE0B iWiring designs and supports Internet systems and networks based on Mac OS X, unix(tm), and Open Source applications technologies and offers 24x7, guaranteed support to registered clients. How can we help? From shoop at iwiring.net Sun Feb 1 23:51:12 2004 From: shoop at iwiring.net (Dan Shoop) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:44 2005 Subject: Fiberchannel hba? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 12:56 PM -0500 2/1/04, Hendrik Scholz wrote: >Hi! > >I'd like to hook up large storage (500GB to ~10TB) to Dual G5 Macs. Oh, that's not large, that a small SANS. >What kind of hba could I use? Maybe consider infiniband if you can do that on your SANS. Are you planning a fabriced network? If you just want FibreChannel, the Apple resold one is at a nice price. -- -dhan ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Dan Shoop shoop@iwiring.net Consulting Internet Architect shoop@mac.com AIM: iWiring pgp key fingerprint: FAC0 9434 B5A5 24A8 D0AF 12B1 7840 3BE7 3736 DE0B iWiring designs and supports Internet systems and networks based on Mac OS X, unix(tm), and Open Source applications technologies and offers 24x7, guaranteed support to registered clients. How can we help? From root at nimug.org Mon Feb 2 03:02:26 2004 From: root at nimug.org (root@nimug.org) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:44 2005 Subject: WiFi + OS X + Network Design. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <492F0E24-556F-11D8-8957-000A95DC1742@nimug.org> On 2 Feb 2004, at 06:19, Justin Walker wrote: >> My thinking is that a single router/firewall isn't going to do me >> much good here, >> as I need to set up two seperate networks, or am I wrong ? A switch >> is right out >> of the picture, too pricey for my needs. > > Neither switch nor hub will do what you need, I think, regardless of > their prices and your budget. I'd assumed he meant a managed switch which will provide separation of networks as well as a modicum of access control even on a wired network. They're not that expensive[1]. Routing, however, is extra. If his T-1 router has two ethernet ports, this suddenly becomes a compelling option - moreso if it's more than just a network "appliance". M [1] http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ViewItem&item=3075353014&category=3706 http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ViewItem&item=3075362719&category=3706 From mark.asbach at post.rwth-aachen.de Mon Feb 2 03:02:05 2004 From: mark.asbach at post.rwth-aachen.de (Mark Asbach) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:44 2005 Subject: cron and sleep in Panther In-Reply-To: <480B6C3B-5544-11D8-8CE1-00306544D642@mac.com> References: <480B6C3B-5544-11D8-8CE1-00306544D642@mac.com> Message-ID: <3C9040F6-556F-11D8-9C0C-000393449862@post.rwth-aachen.de> Hi Justin, hi Doug, >> From what I under, cron does NOT wake up computers from sleep. This >> is an issue for moble machines but also for me. > > Correct. >> With this combination IF I turn off energy saver, will my cron jobs >> run? > > Regardless of the configuration, there is no system available today > that can wake itself up from sleep. The best you can do, as far as I > know, is to have another system send a 'magic packet' to your system. Did you try to set the energy saver preferences to switch the machine on at a specific time? On Mac OS 9 this would also wake a machine from sleep as far as I remember. In addition, did you look for anacron? This might help you with the original problem. http://www.apple.com/downloads/macosx/unix_open_source/anacron.html Yours, Mark From larkost at softhome.net Mon Feb 2 05:40:40 2004 From: larkost at softhome.net (Karl Kuehn) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:44 2005 Subject: Forcing password expiry In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <63C661FE-5585-11D8-B88B-003065D8C728@softhome.net> Panther Server, correct. Karl Kuehn larkost@softhome.net On Feb 1, 2004, at 8:53 PM, Ian Masters wrote: > Karl > > Are you using system 10.3/Panther? From jameslist at primax.com Mon Feb 2 06:30:00 2004 From: jameslist at primax.com (james o) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:44 2005 Subject: A Survey ? ... In-Reply-To: References: <42B421D9-510F-11D8-8898-000393C9FAC0@mac.com> Message-ID: <48559356-558C-11D8-9C72-000A95BAF960@primax.com> On Jan 27, 2004, at 9:58 PM, Dan Shoop wrote: > EIMS has promised an OS X verision of their server for, what, four or > five years now, and may yet qualify for the biggest vaporware product > of all time. There is a beta, but five years of beta doesn't inspire > me. we've been using EIMS since vers 1.x on os 9. for convenience (100+ domains), we upgraded to EIMS 'beta' on OS X which has worked flawlessly for the last year. i don't know where you get 5 years of beta from as i believe EIMS 3.2 ( http://www.eudora.co.nz/beta.html ) has only been out for about a year. maybe glenn promised an EIMS version for OS X 1.x? as far as the products beta cycle, i know glenn wants to make sure there aren't any bugs in EIMS before he releases the GM. my personal rating of EIMS 3.2 X support : 10 the author will email you a solution/fix within a couple hours. the list serve is a great community ease of use : 10 setup : 9 - the GM release of EIMS will run as a daemon. the current version requires you to be logged in or run the server as root. the admin client used to crash frequently in previous beta versions. reliability : 10 - over 1 year of running the "beta" and the only downtime is software upgrade filters : 9 junk mail, black lists, etc... are easy to configure and EIMS comes standard with filter plugins. additionally, SquirrelMail works with EIMS server as well. i have considered running communigate but the costs don't outweigh the features for me. 2 cents, ./james { primax STUDIO : http://primaxSTUDIO.com : 513.772.1223 } From mbartosh at mac.com Mon Feb 2 07:37:34 2004 From: mbartosh at mac.com (Michael Bartosh) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:44 2005 Subject: A Survey ? ... In-Reply-To: <48559356-558C-11D8-9C72-000A95BAF960@primax.com> References: <42B421D9-510F-11D8-8898-000393C9FAC0@mac.com> <48559356-558C-11D8-9C72-000A95BAF960@primax.com> Message-ID: At 9:30 AM -0500 2/2/04, james o wrote: >setup : 9 - the GM release of EIMS will run as a daemon. the >current version requires you to be logged in or run the server as >root How is that a 9. That's more like -100, canceling out anyting that might have been good. -- http://www.4am-media.com Mac OS X Consulting and Training Michael Bartosh mbartosh@4am-media.com 303.517.0272 Denver, CO "The surest way to corrupt a youth is to instruct him to hold in higher regard those who think alike than those who think differently." - -- Nietzsche Think Different. From conrad at yoders.org Mon Feb 2 07:42:33 2004 From: conrad at yoders.org (Conrad G T Yoder) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:44 2005 Subject: WiFi + OS X + Network Design. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At 2/2/2004 12:44 AM -0500, m i l e s wrote: > > I have a client in my town that I have to design a somewhat secure > WiFi network for. When I say "somewhat", I'll splain what that means: > My client has a retail store that he wants to offer WiFi in, at the same time, > he also has a small Wired network of computers that he'd like to have access > to the internet. Both of these networks need to access the internet, but the > WiFi one I dont want it to see the wired network, but the wired network can > see and interact with the WiFi network. Am I dreamin or what ? Looks like this might solve your problems - except D-Link products don't route AppleTalk over wireless. I don't know if that is a need for you or not. http://www.dlink.com/products/?model=DSA-3100 -Conrad From philburk at mac.com Mon Feb 2 08:28:42 2004 From: philburk at mac.com (Phil Burk) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:44 2005 Subject: [X-Unix] ethereal for MacOSX Message-ID: On Feb 2, 2004, at 11:10 AM, Ken Rossman wrote: > Has anyone out there found, fetched, and is running ethereal under > MacOSX? Yes, I have and am. > I see where there are projects in progress now to get ethereal working > for MacOSX, and I have been directed at the fink distributions to find > a working version, but I have so far been unsuccessful in obtaining a > version of ethereal for MacOSX. > > Anyone out there actually running ethereal under MacOSX, and if so, > where did > you find it? Perhaps I'm misunderstanding you. The ethereal that I am using requires X11. There is no port available for straight Aqua. But Fink's port works great with Apple's X11 app. Phil Burk _______________________________________________________ Systems Support Technician Wiley Publishing, Inc. Indianapolis, IN 46256 317-572-3049 From coral at ssmith.com Mon Feb 2 08:33:59 2004 From: coral at ssmith.com (Bob) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:44 2005 Subject: global umask change Message-ID: <9A722184-559D-11D8-8A24-003065A0EE00@ssmith.com> Seems to me in a multi-user environment where I want certain users to share certain documents that those users should be put in a certain group that has group permission to access directories and documents in that group. That's easy enough but the default umask on my Panther systems is 022 meaning new files and directories won't be shared for group writing until a chmod to at least a 770. I found a little script while googleing: that adds this line to /etc/rc: umask 002 which I thought was good 'cause I didn't know where to put the change but it DIDN'T work. Is my file sharing scheme sound? If so, how do I make the change to the umask for the Finder, the shell, FTP and whatever else I've forgotten. Thanks From dleber at codebase.ca Mon Feb 2 08:53:40 2004 From: dleber at codebase.ca (David LeBer) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:44 2005 Subject: global umask change In-Reply-To: <9A722184-559D-11D8-8A24-003065A0EE00@ssmith.com> References: <9A722184-559D-11D8-8A24-003065A0EE00@ssmith.com> Message-ID: <5A67DD14-55A0-11D8-8EE9-000A95883E9E@codebase.ca> The illusionati script doesn't work on Panther (as you've discovered) In Panther you can apply the umask change on an account by account basis using the latest version of tinkertool or globally using this hint: In addition, I've written a couple of articles about workgroup permissions: I hope that helps, ;david -- David LeBer Codebase Software Systems site: http://www.codebase.ca blog: http://david.codebase.ca On 2-Feb-04, at 11:33 AM, Bob wrote: > Seems to me in a multi-user environment where I want certain users to > share certain documents that those users should be put in a certain > group that has group permission to access directories and documents in > that group. That's easy enough but the default umask on my Panther > systems is 022 meaning new files and directories won't be shared for > group writing until a chmod to at least a 770. > > I found a little script while googleing: > > > that adds this line to /etc/rc: > umask 002 > > which I thought was good 'cause I didn't know where to put the change > but it DIDN'T work. > > Is my file sharing scheme sound? If so, how do I make the change to > the umask for the Finder, the shell, FTP and whatever else I've > forgotten. > > Thanks > > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-admin mailing list > MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin > > From mbplist at csr-bos.com Mon Feb 2 09:26:48 2004 From: mbplist at csr-bos.com (Mark Palmerino) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:44 2005 Subject: Remote Server Administration - what port(s) to forward? In-Reply-To: References: <597B6C82-54D4-11D8-A1C9-000393768D2C@mcgillsociety.org> Message-ID: Hi Fabien, On Feb 1, 2004, at 2:56 PM, Fabien Roy wrote: > What about using a VPN solution between your laptop and your server? > > I would like to explore this solution - for this as well as other reasons. However, being the neophyte that I am, I'm trying one thing at a time (and learning quite a bit as I go along, thanks to the kind help of folks like you, Michael, William and others!). In any case, if it is easy to set up, or if there is an easy to understand tutorial out there somewhere, I will try to get this going. Do you have any suggestions or some ideas of how I would get started? Also, remember, the server machine (running panther server) is behind a Nat router. So, I presume once I get the VPN software working on the server, I'll need to forward some ports... Also, any advice on how to configure my laptop to access the VPN from outside the local network would be mighty helpful. Thanks again for your suggestion and thanks in advance for any further help you might be able to provide. Take care, Mark -- "The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them!" - Albert Einstein From mbplist at csr-bos.com Mon Feb 2 05:47:16 2004 From: mbplist at csr-bos.com (Mark Palmerino) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:44 2005 Subject: Remote Server Administration - what port(s) to forward? In-Reply-To: References: <597B6C82-54D4-11D8-A1C9-000393768D2C@mcgillsociety.org> <7942D266-54E2-11D8-93DF-000A95A93F4C@csr-bos.com> <1021B902-54EB-11D8-93DF-000A95A93F4C@csr-bos.com> Message-ID: <503727D9-5586-11D8-876A-000A95A93F4C@csr-bos.com> Hi Michael, On Feb 1, 2004, at 3:35 PM, Michael Bartosh wrote: > At 2:15 PM -0500 2/1/04, Mark Palmerino wrote: >> Any suggestions/clarifications? > > you're confused about the output of lsof: Thank you for clarifying that - it is quite helpful. Also, thanks for showing me how to convert something like "asip-webadmin" into an actual port by referencing /etc/services. There is so much to know... > asipregistry is 687, there's generally no reason to access it. It > isn't encrypted. I'm traveling at the moment and won't be back at the location with the server machine. I will try turning off the port forwarding on 687 and see if it makes any difference. > > The more important aspect of my message was this: >> sudo tcpdump -i en0 -vvv host server.domain.com >> ...now make some connections w/ your gui apps and see what connects >> to what. > > ...which will show you which ports are actually being used in a real > connection. Ah yes, I actually tried that and was a bit overwhelmed with the output. Let me see if I understand exactly what I should do. Run the above command on the *server* machine. (what do I replace "server.domain.com" with - the IP address of the remote machine or the IP address of the server machine? I think it is the IP address of the remote - right?) Start the GUIs on the *remote* computer Try to pick out the relevant droplets (re ports) out of the firehose of information sprayed all over the screen, :-) Is this correct? As I mentioned above, I can probably try this again on Wednesday. When I do, are there any hints about which part of the message to attend to in order to learn what ports are in play? Thanks again for all your helpful advice! Mark From subscriber at gloaming.com Mon Feb 2 11:10:14 2004 From: subscriber at gloaming.com (James Bucanek) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:44 2005 Subject: cron and sleep in Panther In-Reply-To: <480B6C3B-5544-11D8-8CE1-00306544D642@mac.com> Message-ID: Justin Walker wrote on Sunday, February 1, 2004: >Regardless of the configuration, there is no system available today >that can wake itself up from sleep. This is no longer true. The hardware needed to wake a sleeping computer at a particular time has been in Macs for ages. The support for this was in OS 9[1], but was left out of OS X until 10.3. If your computer has the hardware to support this and your running Panther, see the System Preferences > Energy Saver > Schedule tab to program a wake up time. >The best you can do, as far as I >know, is to have another system send a 'magic packet' to your system. Also note that this only works on Ethernet and the packet has to be sent from the local sub-net. The "magic packet" cannot be send from another subnet, as routers don't route magic packets. Also, don't forget to enable this feature in the Energy Saver or the "magic packet" will be ignored. >I don't know what you want to do, but 'cron' jobs typically don't need >to be logged in, even if the task you are invoking runs as, say, you. >What are you trying to achieve? Why do you need to log in? You're correct in that cron runs the command as a particular user, but if the original poster is trying to use a cron job to launch a GUI application those can't be launched unless you're logged in. For what it's worth, I know of no way to automatically log in a user beyond restarting a machine with auto-login enabled. So, if you actually _shut down_ the computer and had it set to wake up at a particular time at night, AND had it set to automatically login as a particular user, then it would work. You set it to boot up at 12:50 AM and run your cron job/application at 1:00 AM. If you wanted to get tricky, you could then have a second cron job run an AppleScript to shutdown the machine again at 1:20 AM (or however long your task takes to complete). Of course that last bit might not work if you had a password protected screen saver. The other possibility would be to figure out a way to do whatever it is you're trying to do without the need to run a GUI app. If you can do that, most off these problems go away. [1] In pre-2003 computers you could boot into OS 9 and set a wake up time, then switch back to OS X. The computer would then start at the requested time ('cause this was all done by hardware when it's asleep) and boot into OS X. ______________________________________________________ James Bucanek From shoop at iwiring.net Mon Feb 2 12:42:12 2004 From: shoop at iwiring.net (Dan Shoop) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:44 2005 Subject: A Survey ? ... In-Reply-To: <48559356-558C-11D8-9C72-000A95BAF960@primax.com> References: <42B421D9-510F-11D8-8898-000393C9FAC0@mac.com> <48559356-558C-11D8-9C72-000A95BAF960@primax.com> Message-ID: At 9:30 AM -0500 2/2/04, james o wrote: >On Jan 27, 2004, at 9:58 PM, Dan Shoop wrote: > >>EIMS has promised an OS X verision of their server for, what, four >>or five years now, and may yet qualify for the biggest vaporware >>product of all time. There is a beta, but five years of beta >>doesn't inspire me. > >we've been using EIMS since vers 1.x on os 9. for convenience (100+ >domains), we upgraded to EIMS 'beta' on OS X which has worked >flawlessly for the last year. i don't know where you get 5 years >of beta from as i believe EIMS 3.2 ( >http://www.eudora.co.nz/beta.html ) has only been out for about a >year. maybe glenn promised an EIMS version for OS X 1.x? as far as >the products beta cycle, i know glenn wants to make sure there >aren't any bugs in EIMS before he releases the GM. OS X has been available for almost 5 years, and the product was promised for just as long. How long does it take to get a product out of beta? Meanwhile (and hopefully) it's being mooted. EIMS was nice on classical MacOSen where there were few alternatives and there weren't real sysadmins, but today with all the more robust open source alternatives (and commercial alternatives too) it's kinda lost it's luster. >my personal rating of EIMS 3.2 X >support : 10 the author will email you a solution/fix within a couple hours. This isn't But why do you need to contact the author? The answer to that question tells a lot. > the list serve is a great community >ease of use : 10 Every MTA has a list, most very active. Many have IRC channels too. Quick ressponse to questions is the norm not an exception. >setup : 9 - the GM release of EIMS will run as a daemon. And where is that? > the current version requires you to be logged in or run the server as root. Which is a show-stopper for a server. > the admin client used to crash frequently in previous beta versions. >reliability : 10 - over 1 year of running the "beta" and the only >downtime is software upgrade >filters : 9 junk mail, black lists, etc... are easy to configure and >EIMS comes standard with filter plugins. This just isn't a selling point, there's nothing to differentiate it. Does it support SpamAssasin? ClamAV? >additionally, SquirrelMail works with EIMS server as well. SquirelMail has nothing to do with this, it's just any other MUA. >i have considered running communigate but the costs don't outweigh >the features for me. Well I'm never one to say to run Communigate Pro (considering all the alternatives) but at least it's not a beta, and runs. A vaporware daemon is hardly going to win real world users. -- -dhan ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Dan Shoop shoop@iwiring.net Consulting Internet Architect shoop@mac.com AIM: iWiring pgp key fingerprint: FAC0 9434 B5A5 24A8 D0AF 12B1 7840 3BE7 3736 DE0B iWiring designs and supports Internet systems and networks based on Mac OS X, unix(tm), and Open Source applications technologies and offers 24x7, guaranteed support to registered clients. How can we help? From shoop at iwiring.net Mon Feb 2 12:44:19 2004 From: shoop at iwiring.net (Dan Shoop) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:44 2005 Subject: [X-Unix] ethereal for MacOSX In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: >On Feb 2, 2004, at 11:10 AM, Ken Rossman wrote: > >>Has anyone out there found, fetched, and is running ethereal under MacOSX? Runs great. Avialble through fink even. >>I see where there are projects in progress now to get ethereal working >>for MacOSX, and I have been directed at the fink distributions to find >>a working version, but I have so far been unsuccessful in obtaining a >>version of ethereal for MacOSX. Well then look again at Fink. If you're unsuccessful in even finding it I doubt you'll be too successful in being able to operate it. >>Anyone out there actually running ethereal under MacOSX, and if so, where did >>you find it? Fink. -- -dhan ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Dan Shoop shoop@iwiring.net Consulting Internet Architect shoop@mac.com AIM: iWiring pgp key fingerprint: FAC0 9434 B5A5 24A8 D0AF 12B1 7840 3BE7 3736 DE0B iWiring designs and supports Internet systems and networks based on Mac OS X, unix(tm), and Open Source applications technologies and offers 24x7, guaranteed support to registered clients. How can we help? From shoop at iwiring.net Mon Feb 2 14:26:59 2004 From: shoop at iwiring.net (Dan Shoop) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:45 2005 Subject: WiFi + OS X + Network Design. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 2:51 PM -0500 2/2/04, Conrad G T Yoder wrote: >At 2/2/2004 12:44 AM -0500, m i l e s wrote: >> >> I have a client in my town that I have to design a somewhat secure >> WiFi network for. When I say "somewhat", I'll splain what that means: >> My client has a retail store that he wants to offer WiFi in, at >>the same time, >> he also has a small Wired network of computers that he'd like to have access >> to the internet. Both of these networks need to access the >>internet, but the >> WiFi one I dont want it to see the wired network, but the wired network can >> see and interact with the WiFi network. Am I dreamin or what ? > >Looks like this might solve your problems - except D-Link products don't >route AppleTalk over wireless. I don't know if that is a need for you or >not. > >http://www.dlink.com/products/?model=DSA-3100 A bit pricey for D-Link with such a small feature set. It's a NAT only router, has no VPN features, no true VLANs... It's a firewall with a DMZ port and two NATs. And the fact that they're referred to extensively as a Public port and a Private port doesn't seem to indicate the private network can VLAN to the public side. Maybe if it actually included the hotspot it would be more compelling. But interesting. More interesting is the case -- looks a lot like an old SonicWall ;) A better choice might be The SOHO TZW http://www.sonicwall.com/products/sohotzw.html Supports real VLANs. And has the WAP built in. -- -dhan ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Dan Shoop shoop@iwiring.net Consulting Internet Architect shoop@mac.com AIM: iWiring pgp key fingerprint: FAC0 9434 B5A5 24A8 D0AF 12B1 7840 3BE7 3736 DE0B iWiring designs and supports Internet systems and networks based on Mac OS X, unix(tm), and Open Source applications technologies and offers 24x7, guaranteed support to registered clients. How can we help? From cthacker at casmail.ucsf.edu Mon Feb 2 14:49:56 2004 From: cthacker at casmail.ucsf.edu (chris thacker) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:45 2005 Subject: Safari 1.2, Java 1.4.2 released Message-ID: <1F9CA5C2-55D2-11D8-AE2E-0003931CE9CA@casmail.ucsf.edu> Safari 1.2, Java 1.4.2 released ------------------- Chris Thacker Campus Life Services - Information Systems University of California at San Francisco [ help desk ] 415 502-5511 [direct line] 415 514-3373 From justin at mac.com Mon Feb 2 16:13:53 2004 From: justin at mac.com (Justin Walker) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:45 2005 Subject: cron and sleep in Panther In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Monday, February 2, 2004, at 11:10 AM, James Bucanek wrote: > Justin Walker wrote on Sunday, February 1, 2004: >> Regardless of the configuration, there is no system available today >> that can wake itself up from sleep. > > This is no longer true. The hardware needed to wake a sleeping > computer at a particular time has been in Macs for ages. The support > for this was in OS 9[1], but was left out of OS X until 10.3. If your > computer has the hardware to support this and your running Panther, > see the System Preferences > Energy Saver > Schedule tab to program a > wake up time. Cool! I didn't know that. Thanks for letting us know. >> The best you can do, as far as I >> know, is to have another system send a 'magic packet' to your system. > > Also note that this only works on Ethernet and the packet has to be > sent from the local sub-net. The "magic packet" cannot be send from > another subnet, as routers don't route magic packets. Also, don't > forget to enable this feature in the Energy Saver or the "magic > packet" will be ignored. This depends on a variety of things. The spec (at least as I read it back in the day) just requires a certain pattern somewhere in the packet, so in theory, the magic packet can be embedded in a routed packet. However, there has to be some way for that packet to get from the router to the destination host, which is soundly sleeping, and not replying to ARPs. Thus, - if you have a permanent ARP entry for your host in the router; - AND the NIC that is in theory listening for one of these can parse it when embedded in, e.g., a UDP packet, - THEN you can leave a wakeup call off-subnet. [snip] > [1] In pre-2003 computers you could boot into OS 9 and set a wake up > time, then switch back to OS X. The computer would then start at the > requested time ('cause this was all done by hardware when it's asleep) > and boot into OS X. Well, well, well.... Cheers, Justin -- Justin C. Walker, Curmudgeon-At-Large * Institute for General Semantics | When LuteFisk is outlawed | Only outlaws will have | LuteFisk *--------------------------------------*-------------------------------* From bcw at sfu.ca Mon Feb 2 16:25:04 2004 From: bcw at sfu.ca (Brian Warsing) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:45 2005 Subject: Default "Open with" application preferences location Message-ID: <20040203002504.GA1957@sfu.ca> We have Acrobat 6 Professional and Acrobat 5 Reader installed in our lab machines. Acrobat 6 Pro produces dumped jobs & zero page count documents when mixed with our print accounting software. For this reason, I have been encouraging users to print via AcroReader 5. However, after pushing out an image which should have had the default PDF "Open with" preferences set to AcroReader, they have all defaulted back to Acrobat 6 Pro. Does anyone know where these prefs are stored? Are they ByHost? -- Brian Warsing Academic Computing Services at Harbour Centre Simon Fraser University ph. 604-291-5030 ICQ# 167127757 From ian at acces.co.jp Mon Feb 2 19:53:29 2004 From: ian at acces.co.jp (Ian Masters) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:45 2005 Subject: 'softwareupdate' sometimes lies ... Message-ID: Anyone on the list ever noticed that if you do a 'softwareupdate' from the CLI, sometimes the first response will say 'your software is up to date' but on repeating the command it properly displays updates yet to be applied? Observed on Xserve 10.2.8. I always ask for a 2nd opinion ;-) Regards Ian Masters -------------------------------------------- Acces (OSD Dept)
3-5-11 Doshoumachi Chuo-ku Osaka 541-0045 Japan 06-6208-1600 (switchboard) 06-6208-1610 (switchboard) ian@acces.co.jp -------------------------------------------- From dhrowe at mindspring.com Tue Feb 3 06:02:12 2004 From: dhrowe at mindspring.com (Doug Rowe) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:45 2005 Subject: cron and sleep in Panther In-Reply-To: <480B6C3B-5544-11D8-8CE1-00306544D642@mac.com> References: <480B6C3B-5544-11D8-8CE1-00306544D642@mac.com> Message-ID: <90D3BF98-5651-11D8-8C39-0030654C304C@mindspring.com> On Feb 2, 2004, at 12:54 AM, Justin Walker wrote: > >> I need to run a program every night, that must be logged in as a >> user. (it will not run as a ) The machine must use a password on the >> screen saver. > > Can you try this paragraph again? It seems to have been garbled in > transmission. oops I was saying that the program won't run as a daemon. The company has a requirement that all machines run with a password screen saver. > >> With this combination IF I turn off energy saver, will my cron jobs >> run? > > Regardless of the configuration, there is no system available today > that can wake itself up from sleep. The best you can do, as far as I > know, is to have another system send a 'magic packet' to your system. > If asleep, the magic packet will wake your system up (this is a > setting in the Energy Saver panel [wake for network admin access]). > You will need to have a program that sends such a packet invoked by > cron on a non-sleeping machine. > >> (Assuming they will run) how do I get the machine to "login" in the >> middle of the night? Is there a way from the command line or >> Applescript or even quick keys to say in effect >> login with password "fred" >> # if I can get that step to work, the rest is reasonable > > I don't know what you want to do, but 'cron' jobs typically don't need > to be logged in, even if the task you are invoking runs as, say, you. > What are you trying to achieve? Why do you need to log in? I need to run a filemaker database to do some work during the night. I can get them to turn off sleep, but not the screen saver, which I understand. Guess a reboot and immediately do the work, before the screen saver starts, but then you still need to log into the machine.... > Doug Rowe Robyte Consulting dhrowe@mindspring.com 904-536-1001 Member FileMaker Solutions Alliance From cryan at semo.edu Tue Feb 3 06:07:53 2004 From: cryan at semo.edu (Charles Ryan) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:45 2005 Subject: Need with Mac mail Message-ID: Hi, Need with Mac mail After HD re-init I reinstalled OSX. While setting accounts in MACmail I stupidly listed mac.com as an outgoing server which I don't use. While I have added other servers such as earthlink The mail always comes back defaulting to this mac server and yielding popup dialogs for passwords. There seems to me no way of deleting and redoing this. Can and how do I reinstall MAC mail. It seems to me that mail is totally bundled in with the OS. I normally use Entourage but others in the family still like macmail. Thanks for any help, Charles cryan@semo.edu From jonas at zeus.ugent.be Tue Feb 3 06:16:05 2004 From: jonas at zeus.ugent.be (Jonas Maebe) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:45 2005 Subject: Need with Mac mail In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <80E1CEEA-5653-11D8-9E26-003065D3FF28@zeus.ugent.be> On 3 feb 2004, at 15:07, Charles Ryan wrote: > The mail always comes back defaulting to this mac server and yielding > popup > dialogs for passwords. There seems to me no way of deleting and > redoing > this. Sure there is: just go in Mail's preferences and set the correct outgoing mailserver in the "accounts" section. Jonas From rpeskin at rlpcon.com Tue Feb 3 06:49:46 2004 From: rpeskin at rlpcon.com (Richard Peskin) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:45 2005 Subject: OS X Server mail problem Message-ID: <35ABBBB8-5658-11D8-BBD1-000A95A6858C@rlpcon.com> One of our servers running 10.2 server is not delivering mail to its user accounts. But the messages are all queued up in /var/spool/mqueue. Anyone suggest where I might start to look for the cause of the problem? thanks, --dick peskin ________________________________________________________ Richard L. Peskin, RLP Consulting, Londonderry, VT http://www.rlpcon.com http://www.caip.rutgers.edu/~peskin From larkost at softhome.net Tue Feb 3 06:56:37 2004 From: larkost at softhome.net (Karl Kuehn) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:45 2005 Subject: cron and sleep in Panther In-Reply-To: <90D3BF98-5651-11D8-8C39-0030654C304C@mindspring.com> References: <480B6C3B-5544-11D8-8CE1-00306544D642@mac.com> <90D3BF98-5651-11D8-8C39-0030654C304C@mindspring.com> Message-ID: <2ADB40BC-5659-11D8-A119-003065C12208@softhome.net> You can use cron to trigger an osascript command to run commands through AppleScript on FileMaker (not Server). You will need to have someone logged into the computer, but the password protected screen saver can be running in front (you are right an the computer can not be asleep). Make sure the cron job is running as the logged in user, and you are set. Karl Kuehn larkost@softhome.net On Feb 3, 2004, at 9:02 AM, Doug Rowe wrote: >> I don't know what you want to do, but 'cron' jobs typically don't >> need to be logged in, even if the task you are invoking runs as, say, >> you. What are you trying to achieve? Why do you need to log in? > > I need to run a filemaker database to do some work during the night. > I can get them to turn off sleep, but not the screen saver, which I > understand. Guess a reboot and immediately do the work, before the > screen saver starts, but then you still need to log into the > machine.... From eric.bianchi at free.fr Tue Feb 3 07:10:05 2004 From: eric.bianchi at free.fr (Eric Bianchi) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:45 2005 Subject: OS X Server mail problem In-Reply-To: <35ABBBB8-5658-11D8-BBD1-000A95A6858C@rlpcon.com> References: <35ABBBB8-5658-11D8-BBD1-000A95A6858C@rlpcon.com> Message-ID: <0BF8E142-565B-11D8-AA17-000A95BB88EA@free.fr> Richard, I had the same problem with jaguar, sendmail didn't like the group writable directory in /. The command newaliases as root should tell you that. try chmod g-w / if you know what you are doing and restart sendmail. Regards Eric Le 3 f?vr. 04, ? 15:49, Richard Peskin a ?crit : > One of our servers running 10.2 server is not delivering mail to its > user accounts. But the messages are all queued up in > /var/spool/mqueue. Anyone suggest where I might start to look for the > cause of the problem? > thanks, > --dick peskin > > > > ________________________________________________________ > Richard L. Peskin, RLP Consulting, Londonderry, VT > http://www.rlpcon.com > http://www.caip.rutgers.edu/~peskin > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-admin mailing list > MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin > > -- Eric Bianchi http://www.quod.ch From magill at mcgillsociety.org Tue Feb 3 08:55:16 2004 From: magill at mcgillsociety.org (William H. Magill) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:45 2005 Subject: Fiberchannel hba? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 02 Feb, 2004, at 02:51, Dan Shoop wrote: > At 12:56 PM -0500 2/1/04, Hendrik Scholz wrote: >> I'd like to hook up large storage (500GB to ~10TB) to Dual G5 Macs. > Oh, that's not large, that a small SANS. > >> What kind of hba could I use? > > Maybe consider infiniband if you can do that on your SANS. Does InfiniBand (for OS X) support anything other than CPU to CPU communication? That implementation is definitely in use at Va Tech. http://www.tombridge.com/rta/2003/10/tencon_keynote__1.html "Primary Comm Architecture. Based on Infiniband tech. Switched Network. Each node connects into the network at 20Gbps full duplex. 24 96 port switches organized in a fat tree topology. Mellanox designed the switches and cards. They're using. Every node has a connection to every other node. It can support 150,000 connections per node. It's a very nice piece of hardware. less than 10ms latency." I haven't been able to find a description of their storage setup, but it appears to be via gig ethernet. Later in that same blog we find... "Gigabit Ethernet management backplane/ Carries NFS, control job startup and typical IP traffic. It's based on five Cisco 4500 enterprise series switches. 240 Gigabit Ethernet ports/switch. Managed fabric with integrated IP traffic." http://www.eng.vt.edu/tcf/faq.html InfiniBand home. http://mellanox.com/ T.T.F.N. William H. Magill # Beige G3 - Rev A motherboard - 768 Meg # Flat-panel iMac (2.1) 800MHz - Super Drive - 768 Meg # PWS433a [Alpha 21164 Rev 7.2 (EV56)- 64 Meg]- Tru64 5.1a # XP1000 - [Alpha EV6] magill@mcgillsociety.org magill@acm.org magill@mac.com From jonas at zeus.ugent.be Tue Feb 3 09:07:33 2004 From: jonas at zeus.ugent.be (Jonas Maebe) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:45 2005 Subject: Tx: Need with Mac mail In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <750964EA-566B-11D8-9E26-003065D3FF28@zeus.ugent.be> On 3 feb 2004, at 18:02, Charles Ryan wrote: >> Sure there is: just go in Mail's preferences and set the correct >> outgoing mailserver in the "accounts" section. > Thank you for responding. > I have done this and even deleted all accounts and have started from > scratch. > For some reason I still 2 unwanted outgoing servers listed and > Intermittently one of these becomes the default outgoing server. > I see there is an add server but no delete server. Afaik, you indeed cannot delete a mailserver in 10.2.x's Mail (unless you edit its configuration file by hand). You can delete them in 10.3. However, it should only ask to select another server if the default one does not work for some reason. I have regularly switched between different mailservers under 10.2.8 on my iBook and have never experienced it changing the mailserver without asking me. Jonas From jamesh at uts.cc.utexas.edu Tue Feb 3 09:11:22 2004 From: jamesh at uts.cc.utexas.edu (James Hammett) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:45 2005 Subject: Fiberchannel hba? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I seem to remember during a technical presentation from Apple they referred to having an XServ Raid hooked up to Multiple Systems via Fiberchannel. The thing was that the XServ RAID AT THE TIME, did not support them accessing the same Files or possibly partitions. On page 15 of the "XServer RAID Tech Overview", it indicates that the RAID can do LUN Mapping for machines which are directly attached to the XServ RAID. (I'm ONLY looking at the PDF, I have no direct experience). On Tue, 3 Feb 2004, William H. Magill wrote: > On 02 Feb, 2004, at 02:51, Dan Shoop wrote: > > At 12:56 PM -0500 2/1/04, Hendrik Scholz wrote: > >> I'd like to hook up large storage (500GB to ~10TB) to Dual G5 Macs. > > Oh, that's not large, that a small SANS. > > > >> What kind of hba could I use? > > > > Maybe consider infiniband if you can do that on your SANS. > > Does InfiniBand (for OS X) support anything other than CPU to CPU > communication? > > That implementation is definitely in use at Va Tech. > > http://www.tombridge.com/rta/2003/10/tencon_keynote__1.html > > "Primary Comm Architecture. > Based on Infiniband tech. Switched Network. Each node connects into the > network at 20Gbps full duplex. 24 96 port switches organized in a fat > tree topology. Mellanox designed the switches and cards. They're using. > Every node has a connection to every other node. It can support 150,000 > connections per node. It's a very nice piece of hardware. less than > 10ms latency." > > I haven't been able to find a description of their storage setup, but > it appears to be via gig ethernet. Later in that same blog we find... > > "Gigabit Ethernet management backplane/ Carries NFS, control job > startup and typical IP traffic. It's based on five Cisco 4500 > enterprise series switches. 240 Gigabit Ethernet ports/switch. Managed > fabric with integrated IP traffic." > > http://www.eng.vt.edu/tcf/faq.html > > InfiniBand home. > http://mellanox.com/ > > T.T.F.N. > William H. Magill > # Beige G3 - Rev A motherboard - 768 Meg > # Flat-panel iMac (2.1) 800MHz - Super Drive - 768 Meg > # PWS433a [Alpha 21164 Rev 7.2 (EV56)- 64 Meg]- Tru64 5.1a > # XP1000 - [Alpha EV6] > magill@mcgillsociety.org > magill@acm.org > magill@mac.com > > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-admin mailing list > MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin > From magill at mcgillsociety.org Tue Feb 3 09:12:57 2004 From: magill at mcgillsociety.org (William H. Magill) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:45 2005 Subject: 'softwareupdate' sometimes lies ... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <368F4348-566C-11D8-B5B1-000393768D2C@mcgillsociety.org> On 02 Feb, 2004, at 22:53, Ian Masters wrote: > Anyone on the list ever noticed that if you do a 'softwareupdate' from > the > CLI, sometimes the first response will say 'your software is up to > date' but > on repeating the command it properly displays updates yet to be > applied? Software update will do this if it cannot get the info from the servers at Apple, "in time." Note that this is a different condition than if your system cannot contact the Internet. I believe that Panther does have two different error messages, but, as I recall, Jaguar did not. It is an issue which was bugged some time ago -- Failing to provide a valid error message when the result was a negative (no data received) rather than a positive (same data) result. I suspect that the success of the second opinion has to do with the way the Akamai network is used. The first query causes the Akamai servers to get an update to their local cache, which takes longer than the timer on your local client. Subsequent queries then find that the Akamai cache has been updated and you get the update info. It may also simply have to do with the way the Backbone nets between you and apple are congested. T.T.F.N. William H. Magill # Beige G3 - Rev A motherboard - 768 Meg # Flat-panel iMac (2.1) 800MHz - Super Drive - 768 Meg # PWS433a [Alpha 21164 Rev 7.2 (EV56)- 64 Meg]- Tru64 5.1a # XP1000 - [Alpha EV6] magill@mcgillsociety.org magill@acm.org magill@mac.com From magill at mcgillsociety.org Tue Feb 3 09:16:50 2004 From: magill at mcgillsociety.org (William H. Magill) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:45 2005 Subject: cron and sleep in Panther In-Reply-To: <90D3BF98-5651-11D8-8C39-0030654C304C@mindspring.com> References: <480B6C3B-5544-11D8-8CE1-00306544D642@mac.com> <90D3BF98-5651-11D8-8C39-0030654C304C@mindspring.com> Message-ID: On 03 Feb, 2004, at 09:02, Doug Rowe wrote: > On Feb 2, 2004, at 12:54 AM, Justin Walker wrote: >>> I need to run a program every night, that must be logged in as a >>> user. (it will not run as a ) The machine must use a password on >>> the screen saver. >> Can you try this paragraph again? It seems to have been garbled in >> transmission. > > oops I was saying that the program won't run as a daemon. The company > has a requirement that all machines run with a password screen saver. The OS X screen saver can be configured to require a password to access. In the Security Preferences it's a check box. "Require password to wake this computer from sleep or screen saver" T.T.F.N. William H. Magill # Beige G3 - Rev A motherboard - 768 Meg # Flat-panel iMac (2.1) 800MHz - Super Drive - 768 Meg # PWS433a [Alpha 21164 Rev 7.2 (EV56)- 64 Meg]- Tru64 5.1a # XP1000 - [Alpha EV6] magill@mcgillsociety.org magill@acm.org magill@mac.com From magill at mcgillsociety.org Tue Feb 3 09:20:40 2004 From: magill at mcgillsociety.org (William H. Magill) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:45 2005 Subject: Need with Mac mail In-Reply-To: <80E1CEEA-5653-11D8-9E26-003065D3FF28@zeus.ugent.be> References: <80E1CEEA-5653-11D8-9E26-003065D3FF28@zeus.ugent.be> Message-ID: <4A45424E-566D-11D8-B5B1-000393768D2C@mcgillsociety.org> On 03 Feb, 2004, at 09:16, Jonas Maebe wrote: > On 3 feb 2004, at 15:07, Charles Ryan wrote: > >> The mail always comes back defaulting to this mac server and yielding >> popup >> dialogs for passwords. There seems to me no way of deleting and >> redoing >> this. > > Sure there is: just go in Mail's preferences and set the correct > outgoing mailserver in the "accounts" section. However, if there is a failure in the selected outgoing mail server, it will attempt to use one of the others which has been previously defined. You will get a dialog box about the problem. I have not found a trivial way to edit that list of "all the mailservers I have ever known." T.T.F.N. William H. Magill # Beige G3 - Rev A motherboard - 768 Meg # Flat-panel iMac (2.1) 800MHz - Super Drive - 768 Meg # PWS433a [Alpha 21164 Rev 7.2 (EV56)- 64 Meg]- Tru64 5.1a # XP1000 - [Alpha EV6] magill@mcgillsociety.org magill@acm.org magill@mac.com From magill at mcgillsociety.org Tue Feb 3 09:29:25 2004 From: magill at mcgillsociety.org (William H. Magill) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:45 2005 Subject: OS X Server mail problem In-Reply-To: <0BF8E142-565B-11D8-AA17-000A95BB88EA@free.fr> References: <35ABBBB8-5658-11D8-BBD1-000A95A6858C@rlpcon.com> <0BF8E142-565B-11D8-AA17-000A95BB88EA@free.fr> Message-ID: <8362B968-566E-11D8-B5B1-000393768D2C@mcgillsociety.org> On 03 Feb, 2004, at 10:10, Eric Bianchi wrote: > I had the same problem with jaguar, sendmail didn't like the group > writable directory in /. The command newaliases as root should tell > you that. > > try chmod g-w / if you know what you are doing and restart sendmail. > Le 3 f?vr. 04, ? 15:49, Richard Peskin a ?crit : > >> One of our servers running 10.2 server is not delivering mail to its >> user accounts. But the messages are all queued up in >> /var/spool/mqueue. Anyone suggest where I might start to look for the >> cause of the problem? Look in /var/log/mail.log You should see error messages from sendmail complaining about the fact that certain directories are group writeable. The problem is as Eric points out, the root directory is group writeable. If you change it, your "bad-change" is "fixed" for you every time you run a software update or "fix permissions". Consequently you need to go back and remove the group writeable permission from the root ("/") directory. The alternate fix is to add "dont blame sendmail" to your sendmail.mc file and build a new sendmail.cf file. This is one line: define(`confDONT_BLAME_SENDMAIL', `GroupWritableDirPathSafe,GroupWritableForwardFileSafe,GroupWritableIncl udeFileSafe')dnl To restart sendmail: sudo /System/Library/StartupItmes/Sendmail/Sendmail restart T.T.F.N. William H. Magill # Beige G3 - Rev A motherboard - 768 Meg # Flat-panel iMac (2.1) 800MHz - Super Drive - 768 Meg # PWS433a [Alpha 21164 Rev 7.2 (EV56)- 64 Meg]- Tru64 5.1a # XP1000 - [Alpha EV6] magill@mcgillsociety.org magill@acm.org magill@mac.com From bronski at bronski.net Tue Feb 3 09:46:00 2004 From: bronski at bronski.net (Christoph Rummel) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:45 2005 Subject: OS X Server mail problem In-Reply-To: <8362B968-566E-11D8-B5B1-000393768D2C@mcgillsociety.org> References: <35ABBBB8-5658-11D8-BBD1-000A95A6858C@rlpcon.com> <0BF8E142-565B-11D8-AA17-000A95BB88EA@free.fr> <8362B968-566E-11D8-B5B1-000393768D2C@mcgillsociety.org> Message-ID: On 03.02.2004, at 18:29, William H. Magill wrote > The alternate fix is to add "dont blame sendmail" to your sendmail.mc > file and build a new sendmail.cf file. > > This is one line: > > define(`confDONT_BLAME_SENDMAIL', > `GroupWritableDirPathSafe,GroupWritableForwardFileSafe,GroupWritableInc > ludeFileSafe')dnl > > To restart sendmail: > > sudo /System/Library/StartupItmes/Sendmail/Sendmail restart Well, this is the truly admin-way to solve this problem. I just added the mentioned "chmod g-w /" somewhere at the top of /System/Library/StartupItmes/Sendmail/Sendmail back in those times when using 10.2. Chris From justin at mac.com Tue Feb 3 09:52:58 2004 From: justin at mac.com (Justin Walker) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:45 2005 Subject: cron and sleep in Panther In-Reply-To: <90D3BF98-5651-11D8-8C39-0030654C304C@mindspring.com> Message-ID: On Tuesday, February 3, 2004, at 06:02 AM, Doug Rowe wrote: > > On Feb 2, 2004, at 12:54 AM, Justin Walker wrote: [snip] > I need to run a filemaker database to do some work during the night. > I can get them to turn off sleep, but not the screen saver, which I > understand. Guess a reboot and immediately do the work, before the > screen saver starts, but then you still need to log into the > machine.... Sounds like a question for the Filemaker support team. Some of the suggestions in this thread are worth testing out, but ultimately, this is an issue about what Filemaker can and can't do under the conditions you are positing. Regards, Justin -- Justin C. Walker, Curmudgeon-At-Large * Institute for General Semantics | It's not whether you win or lose... | It's whether *I* win or lose. *--------------------------------------*-------------------------------* From bronski at bronski.net Tue Feb 3 09:55:00 2004 From: bronski at bronski.net (Christoph Rummel) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:45 2005 Subject: Airport cards an Airport Extreme base stations Message-ID: <160F342E-5672-11D8-B1DC-000393A99D5C@bronski.net> Hi there! Does anybody have problems when using ordinary Airport-cards in conjunction with an Airport Extreme base station? I have two Macs, an 17'' iMac and a 15'' TiBook which both don't have Extreme-cards. The TiBook is fine although when joining changing to my AE-location it doesn't show the name of the new location in the menubar Airport-status, instead it shows a series of closing round brackets, or a series of asterisks. The iMac on the other hand simply loses the connection to the AEBS after some time, i guess after the screensaver has kicked in. I have to switch Airport off and back on to reconnect, Today I even had to boot my iMac as he completely refused to rejoin. I am using WDS, btw. Cheers, Chris From janos.lobb at yale.edu Tue Feb 3 10:50:11 2004 From: janos.lobb at yale.edu (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?J=E1nos_L=F6bb?=) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:45 2005 Subject: Default route question Message-ID: Hi, Let say I have a small local switched 10/100 Mbit/s LAN at home. I use the 192.168.18.0 C-class. The switch is at 192.168.18.4, my OSX 10.3.2 Server is at 192.168.19.5. The Clients are at and above 192.168.18.6. What should I punch in for "Router" in the Network System Preference for Built in Ethernet ? OSXS has no obvious place to configure routing via the GUI. The switch does not do it. I see slow speed either if I give there the switch or the Server ip addresses or if I leave it blank. Theoretically the Server should do routing if "routed" the routing deamon is enabled and static routes are set. Is there a documentation which describes it ? Thanks ahead, J?nos ------------------------------------------------- People never lie so much as after a hunt, during a war or before an election - Otto von Bismarck - From pf at semiotx.com Tue Feb 3 11:09:06 2004 From: pf at semiotx.com (Peter Fraterdeus) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:45 2005 Subject: (somewhat OT) php 'popen' question... In-Reply-To: References: <14AEF43A-5232-11D8-B5E1-000A95703418@improbable.org> Message-ID: Hi Chris Hmm. I thought the 'ssh -lpeterf' would log it in as myself. Or do I miss the point? The other question being why am I not getting ANY results back, error, verbose, or otherwise? It's like rsync is eating the responses... Thanks for your thoughts! P At 10:20 AM -0800 2004-02-03, Chris Adams wrote: >On Feb 1, 2004, at 19:22, Peter Fraterdeus wrote: >>rsync -anvz -e "ssh -lpeterf" /www/fraterdeus.com/html/ www.fraterdeus.com:/home/httpd/html/webroot/webadmin/ >> >>I finally got my ssh host-based login to work, and this command works perfectly, spitting out a preview of the files to be transferred, when run on the command-line, but when run in the browser, returns nothing. > >The most obvious question is whether SSH is running in the same account - it would normally be running as the user Apache runs under, which would have a different ssh config. > >Chris > > > >Content-Type: application/pkcs7-signature; > name=smime.p7s >Content-Disposition: attachment; > filename=smime.p7s > >Attachment converted: Almeisan :smime 145.p7s (????/----) (00168BFA) -- AzByCx DwEvFu GtHsIr JqKpLo MnNmOl PkQjRi ShTgUf VeWdXc YbZa&@ Peter Fraterdeus http://www.fraterdeus.com http://www.semiotx.com Web Strategy Consulting "Words that work."(tm) Communication Design and Typography From justin at mac.com Tue Feb 3 11:33:06 2004 From: justin at mac.com (Justin Walker) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:45 2005 Subject: Default route question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tuesday, February 3, 2004, at 10:50 AM, J?nos L?bb wrote: > Hi, > > Let say I have a small local switched 10/100 Mbit/s LAN at home. I > use the 192.168.18.0 C-class. The switch is at 192.168.18.4, my OSX > 10.3.2 Server is at 192.168.19.5. The Clients are at and above > 192.168.18.6. What should I punch in for "Router" in the Network > System Preference for Built in Ethernet ? OSXS has no obvious place > to configure routing via the GUI. The switch does not do it. I see > slow speed either if I give there the switch or the Server ip > addresses or if I leave it blank. > Theoretically the Server should do routing if "routed" the routing > deamon is enabled and static routes are set. Is there a documentation > which describes it ? Mac OS X is not designed as a router, and if you are running routing protocols (e.g., using 'routed'), then you are beyond what the system can help you with. I don't have a copy of the server available, but I don't believe that the server is intended to be a router. By this, I mean that routing functionality, while supported by the underlying Darwin OS, is not part of the product spec for either the client or server. If the system has routes installed, static or not, there should be no performance impact. The slow speed you see may be a result of giving bogus routes via the GUI. As long as you have 'routed' and static routes in place, just run that way. If I've missed your point, let me know. Regards, Justin -- /~\ The ASCII Justin C. Walker, Curmudgeon-at-Large \ / Ribbon Campaign X Help cure HTML Email / \ From dev+lists at humph.com Tue Feb 3 12:02:33 2004 From: dev+lists at humph.com (Giuliano Gavazzi) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:45 2005 Subject: Default route question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 1:50 pm -0500 2004/02/03, J?nos L?bb wrote: >Hi, > >Let say I have a small local switched 10/100 >Mbit/s LAN at home. I use the 192.168.18.0 >C-class. The switch is at 192.168.18.4, my OSX >10.3.2 Server is at 192.168.19.5. The Clients >are at and above 192.168.18.6. What should I if you ask for help you should try to be exact. I suppose you mean the server address to be 192.168.18.5 and not 192.168.19.5? Now, you have not described half of the network topology. How do you connect to the internet, if at all. If this is an isolated network, then you just need the correct netmask, no Router needs to be set, as the required routes are already set. If instead you connect to the internet via the server, then yes, you have to put the server address as Router in Network Preferences, and enable forwarding and NAT on the server. I think in panther you can do that automatically from Sharing Preferences. >punch in for "Router" in the Network System >Preference for Built in Ethernet ? OSXS has no >obvious place to configure routing via the GUI. >The switch does not do it. I see slow speed >either if I give there the switch or the Server >ip addresses or if I leave it blank. >Theoretically the Server should do routing if >"routed" the routing deamon is enabled and >static routes are set. Is there a documentation >which describes it ? "routed" is of no use in a simple case like this, actually, even in more complex ones, as long as routes are static. Giuliano -- H U M P H || ||| software Java & C++ Server/Client/Human Interface applications on MacOS - MacOS X http://www.humph.com/ From magill at mcgillsociety.org Tue Feb 3 12:14:50 2004 From: magill at mcgillsociety.org (William H. Magill) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:45 2005 Subject: Fiberchannel hba? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9F3A58F0-5685-11D8-B5B1-000393768D2C@mcgillsociety.org> On 03 Feb, 2004, at 12:11, James Hammett wrote: > I seem to remember during a technical presentation from Apple they > referred to having an XServ Raid hooked up to Multiple Systems via > Fiberchannel. The thing was that the XServ RAID AT THE TIME, did not > support them accessing the same Files or possibly partitions. > > On page 15 of the "XServer RAID Tech Overview", it indicates that the > RAID > can do LUN Mapping for machines which are directly attached to the > XServ > RAID. (I'm ONLY looking at the PDF, I have no direct experience). This is a typical SAN issue... Fiber Channel is a bus and identifies devices on it via a WWID - or World Wide Identification. The WWID is, like the MAC address in Ethernet, unique to each piece of hardware. Typically, a LUN is equated to a file system (partition). But the ability to do that is dependent upon the capabilities of the actual controller for the disks in the RAID box or SAN. It may only equate to a specific RAID configuration or a disk drive. LUN mapping is simply a SCSI Logical Unit Number which is assigned to a specific machine. That machine then controls who can do what to anything associated with that LUN. But a LUN can only be assigned to one machine at a time, without arbitration software to determine who gets to write what, and when to avoid the "he who writes last wins" problem. LUN Mapping, which simply provides for Direct (i.e. Host) Attached Storage (DAS) capabilities, is "easy" to implement. There are a number of ways for dealing with the arbitration problem in clusters, but only one "CPU" ever owns the LUN. All of the others pass the information to that owner. The concept utilized by the majority of all SANs is simply an extension of DAS. This is a "cheap" solution. To the best of my understanding, the Xserve RAID, as well as all other RAID hardware, simply implements DAS. (If it does more, it calls itself SAN hardware.) Network Attached Storage (NAS), typically NFS based, requires that the storage devices have a CPU in front of them to provide the NFS capabilities. This is a "more expensive" solution. It typically implements and therefore follows, NFS rules. Network Appliance is probably the best known implementation of this. A real Storage Area Network (SAN) goes a major step further and provides true "Storage Virtualization." This is an "even more expensive" solution. It is also a solution which does not yet quite exist, even for single-vendor proprietary solutions. It's not even close to existing in an open, standards-based environment. (I don't believe that "they" are even close to standards on this.) Storage Virtualization requires that some independent entity (its own CPU) own and control the storage. Other entities then ask it for "whatever they want" -- files, partitions, drives, etc. and it determines if they can have it. It is a true storage server, not the abominations which exist today and claim to be "file servers." It is utterly immune to and could care less about content -- it is only concerned about the storage bytes, system A can call them cat and system B can call them dog. It doesn't care. The naming of names is an OS thing, not a SAN thing. On the surface file sharing seems to be a simple problem. But it is no different when the storage is host based or when it is stuck someplace else. It is a hard problem. All of these implementations techniques have the same old issue at their root -- AAA - authentication, authorization, and accounting... or -- who are you really? who owns the data and who is allowed to do what to it? who did what to whom and when? (and who is going to pay for it.) T.T.F.N. William H. Magill # Beige G3 - Rev A motherboard - 768 Meg # Flat-panel iMac (2.1) 800MHz - Super Drive - 768 Meg # PWS433a [Alpha 21164 Rev 7.2 (EV56)- 64 Meg]- Tru64 5.1a # XP1000 - [Alpha EV6] magill@mcgillsociety.org magill@acm.org magill@mac.com From shoop at iwiring.net Tue Feb 3 12:43:21 2004 From: shoop at iwiring.net (Dan Shoop) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:45 2005 Subject: cron and sleep in Panther In-Reply-To: <90D3BF98-5651-11D8-8C39-0030654C304C@mindspring.com> References: <480B6C3B-5544-11D8-8CE1-00306544D642@mac.com> <90D3BF98-5651-11D8-8C39-0030654C304C@mindspring.com> Message-ID: At 9:02 AM -0500 2/3/04, Doug Rowe wrote: >On Feb 2, 2004, at 12:54 AM, Justin Walker wrote: > >> >>>I need to run a program every night, that must be logged in as a >>>user. (it will not run as a ) The machine must use a password on >>>the screen saver. >> >>Can you try this paragraph again? It seems to have been garbled in >>transmission. > >oops I was saying that the program won't run as a daemon. The >company has a requirement that all machines run with a password >screen saver. The folly of this has wonderfully amused me. What sort of brain surgeons are in your audit department? >>>With this combination IF I turn off energy saver, will my cron jobs run? >> >>Regardless of the configuration, there is no system available today >>that can wake itself up from sleep. The best you can do, as far as >>I know, is to have another system send a 'magic packet' to your >>system. If asleep, the magic packet will wake your system up (this >>is a setting in the Energy Saver panel [wake for network admin >>access]). You will need to have a program that sends such a packet >>invoked by cron on a non-sleeping machine. >> >>>(Assuming they will run) how do I get the machine to "login" in >>>the middle of the night? Is there a way from the command line or >>>Applescript or even quick keys to say in effect >>>login with password "fred" >>># if I can get that step to work, the rest is reasonable >> >>I don't know what you want to do, but 'cron' jobs typically don't >>need to be logged in, even if the task you are invoking runs as, >>say, you. What are you trying to achieve? Why do you need to log >>in? > >I need to run a filemaker database to do some work during the night. >I can get them to turn off sleep, but not the screen saver, which I >understand. Guess a reboot and immediately do the work, before the >screen saver starts, but then you still need to log into the >machine.... FileMaker is beginning to show itself for the huge loose it is wrt anything except a casual data app. But FMP does run w/o being logged in. Or so there appear to be many articles supporting this assumption. -- -dhan ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Dan Shoop shoop@iwiring.net Consulting Internet Architect shoop@mac.com AIM: iWiring pgp key fingerprint: FAC0 9434 B5A5 24A8 D0AF 12B1 7840 3BE7 3736 DE0B iWiring designs and supports Internet systems and networks based on Mac OS X, unix(tm), and Open Source applications technologies and offers 24x7, guaranteed support to registered clients. How can we help? From shoop at iwiring.net Tue Feb 3 13:02:27 2004 From: shoop at iwiring.net (Dan Shoop) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:45 2005 Subject: Fiberchannel hba? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 11:11 AM -0600 2/3/04, James Hammett wrote: >I seem to remember during a technical presentation from Apple they >referred to having an XServ Raid hooked up to Multiple Systems via >Fiberchannel. This is a no brainer. > The thing was that the XServ RAID AT THE TIME, did not >support them accessing the same Files or possibly partitions. This is b/c the XRAID is a DAS appliance not a NAS appliance. >On page 15 of the "XServer RAID Tech Overview", it indicates that the RAID >can do LUN Mapping for machines which are directly attached to the XServ >RAID. (I'm ONLY looking at the PDF, I have no direct experience). I'm not sure how this contributes to this topic. >On Tue, 3 Feb 2004, William H. Magill wrote: > >> On 02 Feb, 2004, at 02:51, Dan Shoop wrote: >> > At 12:56 PM -0500 2/1/04, Hendrik Scholz wrote: >> >> I'd like to hook up large storage (500GB to ~10TB) to Dual G5 Macs. >> > Oh, that's not large, that a small SANS. >> > >> >> What kind of hba could I use? >> > >> > Maybe consider infiniband if you can do that on your SANS. >> >> Does InfiniBand (for OS X) support anything other than CPU to CPU >> communication? >> >> That implementation is definitely in use at Va Tech. >> >> http://www.tombridge.com/rta/2003/10/tencon_keynote__1.html >> >> "Primary Comm Architecture. >> Based on Infiniband tech. Switched Network. Each node connects into the >> network at 20Gbps full duplex. 24 96 port switches organized in a fat >> tree topology. Mellanox designed the switches and cards. They're using. >> Every node has a connection to every other node. It can support 150,000 >> connections per node. It's a very nice piece of hardware. less than >> 10ms latency." >> >> I haven't been able to find a description of their storage setup, but >> it appears to be via gig ethernet. Later in that same blog we find... >> >> "Gigabit Ethernet management backplane/ Carries NFS, control job >> startup and typical IP traffic. It's based on five Cisco 4500 >> enterprise series switches. 240 Gigabit Ethernet ports/switch. Managed >> fabric with integrated IP traffic." >> >> http://www.eng.vt.edu/tcf/faq.html >> >> InfiniBand home. >> http://mellanox.com/ >> >> T.T.F.N. >> William H. Magill >> # Beige G3 - Rev A motherboard - 768 Meg >> # Flat-panel iMac (2.1) 800MHz - Super Drive - 768 Meg >> # PWS433a [Alpha 21164 Rev 7.2 (EV56)- 64 Meg]- Tru64 5.1a >> # XP1000 - [Alpha EV6] >> magill@mcgillsociety.org >> magill@acm.org >> magill@mac.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> MacOSX-admin mailing list >> MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com >> http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin >> -- -dhan ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Dan Shoop shoop@iwiring.net Consulting Internet Architect shoop@mac.com AIM: iWiring pgp key fingerprint: FAC0 9434 B5A5 24A8 D0AF 12B1 7840 3BE7 3736 DE0B iWiring designs and supports Internet systems and networks based on Mac OS X, unix(tm), and Open Source applications technologies and offers 24x7, guaranteed support to registered clients. How can we help? From shoop at iwiring.net Tue Feb 3 13:12:23 2004 From: shoop at iwiring.net (Dan Shoop) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:45 2005 Subject: Default route question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 1:50 PM -0500 2/3/04, J?nos L?bb wrote: >Hi, > >Let say I have a small local switched 10/100 >Mbit/s LAN at home. I use the 192.168.18.0 >C-class. Let's get modern and say that's a CIDR block, 192.168.18.0/24 Classless networks aren't really used anymore. Note too here that these are *non-routable* addresses. > The switch is at 192.168.18.4, my OSX 10.3.2 Server is at 192.168.19.5. Well your server isn't on the same subnet, and it too has a non-routable address. > The Clients are at and above 192.168.18.6. >What should I punch in for "Router" in the >Network System Preference for Built in Ethernet ? For which system(s)? > OSXS has no obvious place to configure routing via the GUI. man route > The switch does not do it. Switches aren't IP devices, they are Ethernet devices, this is a completely different level in the network stack. > I see slow speed either if I give there the >switch or the Server ip addresses or if I leave >it blank. >Theoretically the Server should do routing if >"routed" the routing deamon is enabled and >static routes are set. Is there a documentation >which describes it ? Theoretically you shouldn't be able to route between 192.168.19.5 and 192.168.18.0 at all. That is unless you extend the CIDR block you use to include it, which may or may not be possible depending on your topology and IP numbering. I think you either need to clarify your statements above (maybe correcting errors?) or rethink what you're trying to do. There's some wooly thinking here somewhere. -- -dhan ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Dan Shoop shoop@iwiring.net Consulting Internet Architect shoop@mac.com AIM: iWiring pgp key fingerprint: FAC0 9434 B5A5 24A8 D0AF 12B1 7840 3BE7 3736 DE0B iWiring designs and supports Internet systems and networks based on Mac OS X, unix(tm), and Open Source applications technologies and offers 24x7, guaranteed support to registered clients. How can we help? From chad+macosx at objectwerks.com Tue Feb 3 12:56:23 2004 From: chad+macosx at objectwerks.com (Chad Leigh -- ObjectWerks Inc.) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:45 2005 Subject: Fiberchannel hba? In-Reply-To: <9F3A58F0-5685-11D8-B5B1-000393768D2C@mcgillsociety.org> References: <9F3A58F0-5685-11D8-B5B1-000393768D2C@mcgillsociety.org> Message-ID: <6D25A80B-568B-11D8-9813-003065A70D30@objectwerks.com> On Feb 3, 2004, at 1:14 PM, William H. Magill wrote: > > A real Storage Area Network (SAN) goes a major step further and > provides true "Storage Virtualization." This is an "even more > expensive" solution. It is also a solution which does not yet quite > exist, even for single-vendor proprietary solutions. It's not even > close to existing in an open, standards-based environment. (I don't > believe that "they" are even close to standards on this.) Storage > Virtualization requires that some independent entity (its own CPU) own > and control the storage. Other entities then ask it for "whatever they > want" -- files, partitions, drives, etc. and it determines if they can > have it. It is a true storage server, not the abominations which exist > today and claim to be "file servers." It is utterly immune to and > could care less about content -- it is only concerned about the > storage bytes, system A can call them cat and system B can call them > dog. It doesn't care. The naming of names is an OS thing, not a SAN > thing. O believe that DEC and VMS had this back in the 80s. The HSC, Hierarchal Storage Controller, basically behaved the way you described. A VMS Cluster typically had one or more of these with disks hanging off them and all the cluster members spoke to the disks through these boxes. Multiple machines could mount the disks and write to them, all controlled by the HSC... VMS was (and is) light years ahead in many ways... Too bad that HP is canning it (eventually -- for now they are porting it to Itanic)... Chad From rpeskin at rlpcon.com Tue Feb 3 14:08:41 2004 From: rpeskin at rlpcon.com (Richard Peskin) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:45 2005 Subject: Command line admin of OSX server 10.2 Message-ID: <86C80E28-5695-11D8-BBD1-000A95A6858C@rlpcon.com> Anyone familiar with command line administration of an OS X 10.2 server? We need to use the command line to fix a remote server. The Apple doc "Command_line.pdf" isn't too clear on how to set up "serveradmin" remotely. thanks, --dick peskin ________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________ Richard L. Peskin, RLP Consulting, Londonderry, VT http://www.rlpcon.com http://www.caip.rutgers.edu/~peskin From mbartosh at mac.com Tue Feb 3 14:30:26 2004 From: mbartosh at mac.com (Michael Bartosh) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:45 2005 Subject: Command line admin of OSX server 10.2 In-Reply-To: <86C80E28-5695-11D8-BBD1-000A95A6858C@rlpcon.com> References: <86C80E28-5695-11D8-BBD1-000A95A6858C@rlpcon.com> Message-ID: At 5:08 PM -0500 2/3/04, Richard Peskin wrote: >Anyone familiar with command line administration of an OS X 10.2 >server? We need to use the command line to fix a remote server. The >Apple doc "Command_line.pdf" isn't too clear on how to set up >"serveradmin" remotely. serveradmin doesn't exist in 10.2 what are you trying to do. -- http://www.4am-media.com Mac OS X Consulting and Training Michael Bartosh mbartosh@4am-media.com 303.517.0272 Denver, CO "The surest way to corrupt a youth is to instruct him to hold in higher regard those who think alike than those who think differently." - -- Nietzsche Think Different. From bsilver at chrononomicon.com Tue Feb 3 15:08:46 2004 From: bsilver at chrononomicon.com (Bart Silverstrim) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:45 2005 Subject: Server Experiences Message-ID: Hello everyone, I'm hoping in the next few months to work on a new house, and in the process set up a new home network (yay!) I'd like to use OS X for most of the server and client duties, but I'm not sure how well it'll work overall. I'm strongly considering using OS X for clients and FreeBSD as the server (NFS for shares, web server, mail server, etc.). In my searching for information, someone pointed out the site http://www.littlest.co.uk/support/Mac_OS_X_Server_Problems.html to me and it further reinforced my leaning towards using FreeBSD or Linux for the primary server. My questions are twofold... a) Anyone have experiences with using FreeBSD to serve sharing/etc. to Mac clients, and to Windows (I'm thinking if I need to run windows in the network, I'll probably try Services for Unix, now that they're free...) that they're willing to share? b) Can anyone confirm/deny/comment on the difficulties encountered by the person who wrote up the above site? Be nice and constructive in the site comments; I have it on good authority that that person may be reading the forum archives in his search for answers to questions too :-) Replies to both of my questions may end up helping us both... Thanks! -Bart Silverstrim From njriley at uiuc.edu Tue Feb 3 15:41:48 2004 From: njriley at uiuc.edu (Nicholas Riley) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:45 2005 Subject: Server Experiences In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20040203234148.GA71768@uiuc.edu> On Tue, Feb 03, 2004 at 06:08:46PM -0500, Bart Silverstrim wrote: > I'd like to use OS X for most of the server and client duties, but I'm > not sure how well it'll work overall. I'm strongly considering using > OS X for clients and FreeBSD as the server (NFS for shares, web server, > mail server, etc.). In my searching for information, someone pointed > out the site > > http://www.littlest.co.uk/support/Mac_OS_X_Server_Problems.html > > to me and it further reinforced my leaning towards using FreeBSD or > Linux for the primary server. My questions are twofold... > > a) Anyone have experiences with using FreeBSD to serve sharing/etc. to > Mac clients, and to Windows (I'm thinking if I need to run windows in > the network, I'll probably try Services for Unix, now that they're > free...) that they're willing to share? Samba works so well I am not sure why it would be worth it to serve NFS to Windows. I currently use NFS to a FreeBSD server at home, but netatalk 2.0 would be better for less technical users, since it finally supports long filenames etc. and is more secure. I've only done minimal testing, but netatalk 2.0a1 seems stable enough despite its alpha designation. > b) Can anyone confirm/deny/comment on the difficulties encountered by > the person who wrote up the above site? Not specifically, but unless you need to use any of the facilities that are unique to OS X Server, and have Unix administration experience, just get a PC and run FreeBSD on it. The current setup my roommate and I have at home has OpenBSD as a firewall/VPN server, FreeBSD as a file/web/mail/backup server, and OS X/Linux as workstations. Overall it works very well. My parents' setup is similar except using Linux as a file/web/mail/print/VPN server and Mac OS 9 as a firewall/backup server (not that I'd recommend this, but IPNetRouter and Retrospect are very stable, no crashes in over a year). -- =Nicholas Riley | From larkost at softhome.net Tue Feb 3 17:15:59 2004 From: larkost at softhome.net (Karl Kuehn) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:45 2005 Subject: cron and sleep in Panther In-Reply-To: References: <480B6C3B-5544-11D8-8CE1-00306544D642@mac.com> <90D3BF98-5651-11D8-8C39-0030654C304C@mindspring.com> Message-ID: FileMaker Server runs without someone logging in. FileMaker Pro requires someone to be logged in and running the application. And I think you should get a little more experience with FileMaker before you start to make sweeping statements like that. What he is looking at getting done can be done, he just has to know a bit more than he apparently does. He needs to have a computer that does not sleep itself that is running filemaker, and then make some creative use of osascript and cron to run an applescript (as the logged in user) on FileMaker to do the job. All of this needs to be done on a computer with FileMaker Pro, no FileMaker Server. If your database is running on Server, then you still need to do this from a second computer (Server does not support applescript). Karl Kuehn larkost@softhome.net PS... this might also be a job for an ODBC connection... that can be scripted from a Server computer, and you can be very creative on the languages you use for that (*hint* iODBC and Perl *hint*) On Feb 3, 2004, at 3:43 PM, Dan Shoop wrote: >> I need to run a filemaker database to do some work during the night. >> I can get them to turn off sleep, but not the screen saver, which I >> understand. Guess a reboot and immediately do the work, before the >> screen saver starts, but then you still need to log into the >> machine.... > > FileMaker is beginning to show itself for the huge loose it is wrt > anything except a casual data app. But FMP does run w/o being logged > in. Or so there appear to be many articles supporting this assumption. From larkost at softhome.net Tue Feb 3 17:42:04 2004 From: larkost at softhome.net (Karl Kuehn) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:45 2005 Subject: Server Experiences In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5589C986-56B3-11D8-A119-003065C12208@softhome.net> I run both FreeBSD servers and MacOS X Server (10.3), and after reading that review/rant I came off feeling that the author is a *nix administrator who is feeling the pains of moving to a new platform. I think he dove in with the feeling that it would be just like another *nix (Solaris is my guess), and wound up using the command line more than the GUI tools, and shot himself in the foot (repeatedly by the sound of it). Many of his complaints were lack of knowledge on his part (from lack of specific experience.. his last point is especially telling). You could get the same sort experience switching to any major server platform. I have found MacOS X Server to be stable, and easy to setup for most things( exception: VPN... no documentation... acknowledged by Apple, and they have a fix coming). There are a few thing that are still battles to setup, but my experience has been more of a lack of experience, set it up once, and let it do its job. Of course my experience with FreeBSD is much the same. Here are some points I think you should keep in mind: FreeBSD is free, and the hardware can be really cheap (I run on older hardware that can be had for a song) MacOS X supports HFS+ - if you are supporting any any MacOS 9 software this is nearly a must. Support for HFS in FreeBSD is pre-infant at this point. MacOS X is easier to configure the services you are likely to setup. I am not saying that it is difficult on FreeBSD, only that it is easier on MacOS X Server. As a AFP server MacOS X Server is vastly superior: much faster and way fewer problems with complicated file names. Netatalk has giving me serious problems with Unicode Filenames. Many of these problems are because the underlying filesystem does not cope with them well, and so Netatalk is simply the whipping boy in this, but.... NFS is very simple to setup in MacOS X Server.. on FreeBSD I always have to be looking at the man pages while I do it. For simple services, either will probably do the job. If you choose FreeBSD go with SaMBa over NetaTalk, even for the MacOS X Clients. Karl Kuehn larkost@softhome.net On Feb 3, 2004, at 6:08 PM, Bart Silverstrim wrote: > Hello everyone, > > I'm hoping in the next few months to work on a new house, and in the > process set up a new home network (yay!) > > I'd like to use OS X for most of the server and client duties, but I'm > not sure how well it'll work overall. I'm strongly considering using > OS X for clients and FreeBSD as the server (NFS for shares, web > server, mail server, etc.). In my searching for information, someone > pointed out the site > > http://www.littlest.co.uk/support/Mac_OS_X_Server_Problems.html > > to me and it further reinforced my leaning towards using FreeBSD or > Linux for the primary server. My questions are twofold... > > a) Anyone have experiences with using FreeBSD to serve sharing/etc. to > Mac clients, and to Windows (I'm thinking if I need to run windows in > the network, I'll probably try Services for Unix, now that they're > free...) that they're willing to share? > > b) Can anyone confirm/deny/comment on the difficulties encountered by > the person who wrote up the above site? > > Be nice and constructive in the site comments; I have it on good > authority that that person may be reading the forum archives in his > search for answers to questions too :-) Replies to both of my > questions may end up helping us both... > > Thanks! > -Bart Silverstrim > > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-admin mailing list > MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin From shoop at iwiring.net Tue Feb 3 18:44:25 2004 From: shoop at iwiring.net (Dan Shoop) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:45 2005 Subject: Command line admin of OSX server 10.2 In-Reply-To: <86C80E28-5695-11D8-BBD1-000A95A6858C@rlpcon.com> References: <86C80E28-5695-11D8-BBD1-000A95A6858C@rlpcon.com> Message-ID: At 5:08 PM -0500 2/3/04, Richard Peskin wrote: >Anyone familiar with command line administration of an OS X 10.2 >server? We need to use the command line to fix a remote server. The >Apple doc "Command_line.pdf" isn't too clear on how to set up >"serveradmin" remotely. >thanks, I routinely use the commnand line for the majority of operations. Do you have a specific question? I'm not sure what your issue is with the serveradmin tool, it's referenced quite a few times through the 174 page manual "Mac OS X Server Command-Line Administration." -- -dhan ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Dan Shoop shoop@iwiring.net Consulting Internet Architect shoop@mac.com AIM: iWiring pgp key fingerprint: FAC0 9434 B5A5 24A8 D0AF 12B1 7840 3BE7 3736 DE0B iWiring designs and supports Internet systems and networks based on Mac OS X, unix(tm), and Open Source applications technologies and offers 24x7, guaranteed support to registered clients. How can we help? From shoop at iwiring.net Tue Feb 3 18:58:34 2004 From: shoop at iwiring.net (Dan Shoop) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:45 2005 Subject: Server Experiences In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 6:08 PM -0500 2/3/04, Bart Silverstrim wrote: >Hello everyone, > >I'm hoping in the next few months to work on a new house, and in the >process set up a new home network (yay!) > >I'd like to use OS X for most of the server and client duties, but >I'm not sure how well it'll work overall. I'm strongly considering >using OS X for clients and FreeBSD as the server (NFS for shares, >web server, mail server, etc.). Well since OS X is basically a *BSD derivative with a custom kernel and set of frameworks, anything you're likely to be able to do on FreeBSD should already be available on OS X Server. > In my searching for information, someone pointed out the site > >http://www.littlest.co.uk/support/Mac_OS_X_Server_Problems.html Well you can't please everyone. The comments here reflect OS X Server 10.2 anyway and the authors made little actual effort to resolve their issues, most all of which have solutions they didn't want to investigate. I like their comment "naively thought we could get the system working ourselves" yet they had no experience with Mac hw or sw previously and blindly rushed over cliffs without looking. If I had no experience with Solaris and came from a Mac environment I could probably write a similar piece complaining about Sun, but this doesn't mean that had I properly understood the environment I'd be able to solve my problems. After all hundreds of ppl use XServes and Solaris everyday w/o incident. >to me and it further reinforced my leaning towards using FreeBSD or >Linux for the primary server. My questions are twofold... > >a) Anyone have experiences with using FreeBSD to serve sharing/etc. >to Mac clients, and to Windows (I'm thinking if I need to run >windows in the network, I'll probably try Services for Unix, now >that they're free...) that they're willing to share? > >b) Can anyone confirm/deny/comment on the difficulties encountered >by the person who wrote up the above site? I'd say they miss the mark and wouldn't take the write up seriously. Many wonder who funded it ;) Some claims are valid, but moot "our UFS filesystem couldn't be journaled" is a wonderful example. UFS is not nor has it ever been a journaled filesystem. Furthermore Apple comes straight out and tells you not to use it unless you have a specific requirement. Other comments are just plain dumb. "No XML/plist editor in standard OS 10.2 server installation". Yep, they're right. It's not part of the base installation it's part of the Developer Kit, a running server doesn't need a development environment or such tools. "No mention of utility of Alt key to control boot disk selection - this was essential to us !" There is no "Alt" Key. There is a procedure to use the Option Key to choose boot configurations, and it's documented. Most all of the other points have changed dramatically from Jaguar to Panther so there's no point even trying to discuss them. In general the best I can say it to ignore it. Most of it's just muck being thrown, and little of it matters. And anything you'd say about Jaguar (10.2) is moot, we run 10.3 (Panther) now which is quite a different product. -- -dhan ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Dan Shoop shoop@iwiring.net Consulting Internet Architect shoop@mac.com AIM: iWiring pgp key fingerprint: FAC0 9434 B5A5 24A8 D0AF 12B1 7840 3BE7 3736 DE0B iWiring designs and supports Internet systems and networks based on Mac OS X, unix(tm), and Open Source applications technologies and offers 24x7, guaranteed support to registered clients. How can we help? From dave.xadmin at alfordmedia.com Tue Feb 3 20:33:32 2004 From: dave.xadmin at alfordmedia.com (Dave Pooser) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:45 2005 Subject: Command line admin of OSX server 10.2 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Do you have a specific question? I'm not sure what your issue is with > the serveradmin tool, it's referenced quite a few times through the > 174 page manual "Mac OS X Server Command-Line Administration." Double-check the subject line, Dan. They're still on Jaguar, which is much harder to admin from the command line. -- Dave Pooser Manager of Information Services Alford Media http://www.alfordmedia.com From andreas at harmless.de Tue Feb 3 21:00:08 2004 From: andreas at harmless.de (Andreas Mayer) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:45 2005 Subject: Server Experiences In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <016FDA84-56CF-11D8-9896-000A957A7AFC@harmless.de> Am 04.02.2004 um 03:58 schrieb Dan Shoop: > There is no "Alt" Key. On a german keyboard there is. The option key is labelled 'alt' (additional to the known symbol). bye. Andreas. From tcoleary at mac.com Tue Feb 3 21:58:19 2004 From: tcoleary at mac.com (admin) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:45 2005 Subject: [X-Unix] ethereal for MacOSX In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2207D88A-56D7-11D8-ADFC-000A95E35810@mac.com> The darwinports install works great. On Feb 2, 2004, at 2:44 PM, Dan Shoop wrote: >> On Feb 2, 2004, at 11:10 AM, Ken Rossman wrote: >> >>> Has anyone out there found, fetched, and is running ethereal under >>> MacOSX? > > Runs great. Avialble through fink even. > >>> I see where there are projects in progress now to get ethereal >>> working >>> for MacOSX, and I have been directed at the fink distributions to >>> find >>> a working version, but I have so far been unsuccessful in obtaining a >>> version of ethereal for MacOSX. > > Well then look again at Fink. If you're unsuccessful in even finding > it I doubt you'll be too successful in being able to operate it. > >>> Anyone out there actually running ethereal under MacOSX, and if so, >>> where did >>> you find it? > > Fink. > > -- > > -dhan > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > - > Dan Shoop > shoop@iwiring.net > Consulting Internet Architect > shoop@mac.com > AIM: iWiring > > pgp key fingerprint: FAC0 9434 B5A5 24A8 D0AF 12B1 7840 3BE7 3736 DE0B > > iWiring designs and supports Internet systems and networks based on > Mac OS X, unix(tm), and Open Source applications technologies and > offers 24x7, guaranteed support to registered clients. How can we help? > > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-admin mailing list > MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin From dwikeley at utas.edu.au Tue Feb 3 22:10:41 2004 From: dwikeley at utas.edu.au (David Wikeley) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:45 2005 Subject: Applescript and transferring URL's Message-ID: Hi all, Is there a script out there that will import into Safari all the URL's from either IE or Netscape. This is after a system has been updated from OS 9 to OS X 10.3. I know Safari on first launch reads the URL's in OS X IE but does nothing about the OS 9 side. We are doing a migration from OS 9 machines (about 300 all individual staff machines) to OS X 10.3 and need an easy way to do this. thanks. From janos.lobb at yale.edu Wed Feb 4 06:52:46 2004 From: janos.lobb at yale.edu (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?J=E1nos_L=F6bb?=) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:45 2005 Subject: Default route question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Feb 3, 2004, at 3:02 PM, Giuliano Gavazzi wrote: > At 1:50 pm -0500 2004/02/03, J?nos L?bb wrote: >> Hi, >> >> Let say I have a small local switched 10/100 Mbit/s LAN at home. I >> use the 192.168.18.0 C-class. The switch is at 192.168.18.4, my OSX >> 10.3.2 Server is at 192.168.19.5. The Clients are at and above >> 192.168.18.6. What should I > > if you ask for help you should try to be exact. I suppose you mean the > server address to be 192.168.18.5 and not 192.168.19.5? I am sorry...Yes, you are correct, that is a mistype. I meant 192.168.18.5. For subnet mask I have 255.255.255.0. > > Now, you have not described half of the network topology. How do you > connect to the internet, if at all. I am not connected to the Internet. I am too far from the CO for DSL, existing Satellite does not support Macs, so I am waiting for spaceway or wildblue. DNS is provided by the Server and that works for both forward and reverse. However copy speeds via afp are slow and http://fgdn or http://ip type connections are also slow on the LAN. The Switch is a 10/100 Mbit/s Allied Telesyn 8224XL, freshly repaired. Interestingly if I boot into OS9 on a pair of machines, then copy over appletalk among them is acceptable. All clients are running minimum 10.3. > If this is an isolated network, then you just need the correct > netmask, no Router needs to be set, as the required routes are already > set. If instead you connect to the internet via the server, then yes, > you have to put the server address as Router in Network Preferences, > and enable forwarding and NAT on the server. I think in panther you > can do that automatically from Sharing Preferences. > >> punch in for "Router" in the Network System Preference for Built in >> Ethernet ? OSXS has no obvious place to configure routing via the >> GUI. The switch does not do it. I see slow speed either if I give >> there the switch or the Server ip addresses or if I leave it blank. >> Theoretically the Server should do routing if "routed" the routing >> deamon is enabled and static routes are set. Is there a >> documentation which describes it ? > > "routed" is of no use in a simple case like this, actually, even in > more complex ones, as long as routes are static. > > Giuliano > -- > H U M P H > || ||| > software > > Java & C++ Server/Client/Human Interface applications on MacOS - MacOS > X > http://www.humph.com/ > > ------------------------------------------------- People never lie so much as after a hunt, during a war or before an election - Otto von Bismarck - From charlie at resolutiongraphics.com Wed Feb 4 07:17:28 2004 From: charlie at resolutiongraphics.com (Resolution Graphics) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:45 2005 Subject: Novice Administrator Needs help with RaidKing400 Message-ID: <3EA5372E-5725-11D8-9A56-000A956A8980@resolutiongraphics.com> I am an extremely novice system administrator, running 10.2.8 Server on a Silver Door G4 1.0 Ghz. I am trying to mount a RaidKing 400 through ADPT,2940UW SCSI card. Disk Utility sees the card and RaidKing, however when I try to Erase or Partition, the server locks up. I tried using Disk Utility after booting from CD, and it does the same thing. Are there any other Utilities I can try? Raidking Support suggests doing an fdisk, but I have no idea what to do. Charlie From philburk at mac.com Wed Feb 4 07:40:36 2004 From: philburk at mac.com (Phil Burk) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:45 2005 Subject: Novice Administrator Needs help with RaidKing400 In-Reply-To: <3EA5372E-5725-11D8-9A56-000A956A8980@resolutiongraphics.com> References: <3EA5372E-5725-11D8-9A56-000A956A8980@resolutiongraphics.com> Message-ID: <7A0FBFFE-5728-11D8-8AFD-000A27DD0506@mac.com> Charlie, Ditch the Adaptec Card. Buy an ATTO one. Then try again. On Feb 4, 2004, at 10:17 AM, Resolution Graphics wrote: > I am an extremely novice system administrator, running 10.2.8 Server > on a Silver Door G4 1.0 Ghz. I am trying to mount a RaidKing 400 > through ADPT,2940UW SCSI card. > > Disk Utility sees the card and RaidKing, however when I try to Erase > or Partition, the server locks up. I tried using Disk Utility after > booting from CD, and it does the same thing. Are there any other > Utilities I can try? > > Raidking Support suggests doing an fdisk, but I have no idea what to > do. Phil Burk _______________________________________________________ Systems Support Technician Wiley Publishing, Inc. Indianapolis, IN 46256 317-572-3049 From bahi at macnet.co.uk Wed Feb 4 08:20:49 2004 From: bahi at macnet.co.uk (Bahi) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:45 2005 Subject: OT: UK keyboards (was: Server Experiences) In-Reply-To: <016FDA84-56CF-11D8-9896-000A957A7AFC@harmless.de> References: <016FDA84-56CF-11D8-9896-000A957A7AFC@harmless.de> Message-ID: Andreas Mayer wrote: >Am 04.02.2004 um 03:58 schrieb Dan Shoop: > >> There is no "Alt" Key. > >On a german keyboard there is. The option key is labelled 'alt' >(additional to the known symbol). I've never figured out why but on UK keyboards, the same applies. It's true for Apple's current Bluetooth keyboard, the keyboards built in to PowerBooks and the regular Apple external or Pro keyboards. It has been for years - it always bugged me, knowing that so many isntruction documents refer to the Option key. The word Option just doesn't appear on our KBs. I\m posting this just in case it inspires a document writer to include the symbol for Option on the keyboard as well as the word itself. The symbol does appear on the keyboard and those new to the Mac should be able to make the connection. From dave.xadmin at alfordmedia.com Wed Feb 4 08:22:21 2004 From: dave.xadmin at alfordmedia.com (Dave Pooser) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:45 2005 Subject: Novice Administrator Needs help with RaidKing400 In-Reply-To: <3EA5372E-5725-11D8-9A56-000A956A8980@resolutiongraphics.com> Message-ID: > I am an extremely novice system administrator, running 10.2.8 Server on > a Silver Door G4 1.0 Ghz. I am trying to mount a RaidKing 400 through > ADPT,2940UW SCSI card. The Adaptec 2940 series are not supported under OS X (with the exception of the SCSI card from the blue G3s, which was an OEM variant of the U2W). While their higher-end cards are theoretically supported, I would instead get an ATTO card. ATTO has been much more interested in supporting the Mac in general and Mac OS X in particular. -- Dave Pooser Manager of Information Services Alford Media http://www.alfordmedia.com From shoop at iwiring.net Wed Feb 4 10:40:13 2004 From: shoop at iwiring.net (Dan Shoop) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:45 2005 Subject: Applescript and transferring URL's In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 5:10 PM +1100 2/4/04, David Wikeley wrote: >Hi all, > Is there a script out there that will import into Safari all >the URL's from either IE or Netscape. This is after a system has >been updated from OS 9 to OS X 10.3. Do you mean bookmarks? See versiontracker for software. -- -dhan ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Dan Shoop shoop@iwiring.net Consulting Internet Architect shoop@mac.com AIM: iWiring pgp key fingerprint: FAC0 9434 B5A5 24A8 D0AF 12B1 7840 3BE7 3736 DE0B iWiring designs and supports Internet systems and networks based on Mac OS X, unix(tm), and Open Source applications technologies and offers 24x7, guaranteed support to registered clients. How can we help? From sroebuck at mac.com Wed Feb 4 10:41:05 2004 From: sroebuck at mac.com (Scott Roebuck) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:45 2005 Subject: XServe RAID on Linux Box Message-ID: Has anyone successfully attached an XServe RAID to a Linux Box? It is certified for useon Linux. Why you ask? Stability and price points. Any thoughts? Any perceived problems? This server would be for a PC based render farm as well as some Mac Panther clients. Thanks, Scott From osx_mac at yahoo.com Wed Feb 4 11:42:34 2004 From: osx_mac at yahoo.com (mac osX) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:45 2005 Subject: tibook display Message-ID: <20040204194234.3529.qmail@web20721.mail.yahoo.com> Hi! I have a 1GHz tibook 15" (ATI 9000), with 10.2.8. I was seeing a quicktime movie in the net (movie trailer) using safari, sudenly the display begans to act weird, many h-lines, sometimes nothing can be viewed. I belived it was a hardware problem, but in my other os (linux) all work flawlessly. Any idea? Maybe the quicktime modify some options? (H-sync? frecuency?) How can I fix it? Thanks. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ From waltd at wdstudio.com Wed Feb 4 11:49:54 2004 From: waltd at wdstudio.com (Walter Lee Davis) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:45 2005 Subject: tibook display In-Reply-To: <20040204194234.3529.qmail@web20721.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040204194234.3529.qmail@web20721.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4D986A51-574B-11D8-AA7C-000393C48A5C@wdstudio.com> Did you switch to full-screen view? Maybe it forced a resolution that your video didn't like. Walter On Feb 4, 2004, at 2:42 PM, mac osX wrote: > Hi! > > I have a 1GHz tibook 15" (ATI 9000), with 10.2.8. > > I was seeing a quicktime movie in the net (movie > trailer) using safari, sudenly the display begans to > act weird, many h-lines, sometimes nothing can be > viewed. > > I belived it was a hardware problem, but in my other > os (linux) all work flawlessly. > > Any idea? > Maybe the quicktime modify some options? (H-sync? > frecuency?) > How can I fix it? > > Thanks. > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! > http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-admin mailing list > MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin > From jjracc at rit.edu Wed Feb 4 05:48:14 2004 From: jjracc at rit.edu (Jeremy Reichman) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:45 2005 Subject: cron and sleep in Panther In-Reply-To: <480B6C3B-5544-11D8-8CE1-00306544D642@mac.com> References: <480B6C3B-5544-11D8-8CE1-00306544D642@mac.com> Message-ID: Hold on a second here. You may think cron may not wake a computer from sleep, but I have different experience. I had a student employee -- one who is normally thorough and trustworthy in this sort of thing, and who is strong in both Mac OS and UNIX, as well -- test this on a variety of machines in our offices. The systems ranged from blue and white Power Mac G3s to a Power Mac G4 dual/867. We had Energy Saver settings enabled and tested cron jobs. They did run as scheduled with the computer asleep. If someone has the opposite experience, I'd like to hear about it. I'm not sure whether this would be true if the computer enters the "deep sleep" mode -- if it's a Mac model that supports that. We were not as concerned about that mode in our testing, but I think we did get a set of of overnight tests that succeeded. A tip I've seen is to disable "hard disk sleep" in Energy Saver. A sys admin for our labs has tested this with computers that should support deep sleep, and I'm fairly certain he tried it overnight (because that was his goal ... overnight maintenance when the labs are closed). When "hard disk sleep" is disabled, he reported that the scheduled cron jobs definitely ran. So you could have a logged-in user, logged in all the time, running a GUI application (like FileMaker), and have a cron job trigger at a certain time to interact with it -- possibly sending AppleScript via osascript or other means. I know I do this at home with my Web server (running UserLand Fronter, a GUI application). I have my screen saver set to lock the screen and require a password to get back to the UI. I have a cron job that runs and invokes a "Keep Frontier running" AppleScript that checks to see if Frontier is running, and if not, launch it. (At home, I don't let the computer sleep, but the concept is similar.) -- Jeremy Reichman Information & Technology Services Rochester Institute of Technology On Feb 2, 2004, at 12:54 AM, Justin Walker wrote: >> From what I under, cron does NOT wake up computers from sleep. This >> is an issue for moble machines but also for me. > > Correct. From jjracc at rit.edu Wed Feb 4 05:35:21 2004 From: jjracc at rit.edu (Jeremy Reichman) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:45 2005 Subject: Need with Mac mail In-Reply-To: <4A45424E-566D-11D8-B5B1-000393768D2C@mcgillsociety.org> References: <80E1CEEA-5653-11D8-9E26-003065D3FF28@zeus.ugent.be> <4A45424E-566D-11D8-B5B1-000393768D2C@mcgillsociety.org> Message-ID: I believe this is what you're talking about, for outgoing mail servers. At my university, we have lots of people who try to use different servers until they find one that works (for a while), without consulting our docs. So we are cleaning up extra SMTP servers _all_ _the_ _time_. Panther Mail: Mail menu > Preferences > "Accounts" preferences > select a mail account In the pop-up list of outgoing servers on the account's "Information" tab, select "Edit Server List." Jaguar Mail: Use the "Manage SMTP Servers" script in the "Mail Scripts" folder: /Library/Scripts/Mail Scripts/ ... and it's easier to get to if you add the AppleScript menu to your menu bar. This script may also be available on Panther systems; it was on mine. Apple Mail is pretty annoying about trying to run through different SMTP servers when it encounters a failure sending messages. Strangely enough, I usually get this when I try to send mail from my .Mac accounts ... lots of SSL-related errors, it seems. Removing the extra SMTP servers helps, but you'll still get the error messages from time to time ... I usually just choose "Send Later." I don't have any clear advice on when it sends when you choose that, but it seems to do it either when quitting or launching Mail -- I usually quit and relaunch to get it to send, or choose the message from the Out box and send manually. -- Jeremy Reichman Information & Technology Services Rochester Institute of Technology On Feb 3, 2004, at 12:20 PM, William H. Magill wrote: > I have not found a trivial way to edit that list of "all the > mailservers I have ever known." From osx_mac at yahoo.com Wed Feb 4 12:00:00 2004 From: osx_mac at yahoo.com (mac osX) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:46 2005 Subject: tibook display In-Reply-To: <4D986A51-574B-11D8-AA7C-000393C48A5C@wdstudio.com> Message-ID: <20040204200000.50901.qmail@web20729.mail.yahoo.com> > Did you switch to full-screen view? Maybe it forced > a resolution that > your video didn't like. > Nop. I rebooted the box, still the same problem. in console i have: Feb 4 13:14:54 Sekhmet WindowServer[205]: CGXDisableUpdate: Updates disabled by connection 0x5007 for over 1.000000 seconds Feb 4 13:23:47 Sekhmet /System/Library/CoreServices/Finder.app/Contents/MacOS/Finder: kCGErrorIllegalArgument : CGSSetWindowDepth: Invalid window type Feb 4 13:23:47 Sekhmet /System/Library/CoreServices/Finder.app/Contents/MacOS/Finder: kCGErrorIllegalArgument : CGSSetWindowDepth: Invalid window type Feb 4 13:24:43 Sekhmet /System/Library/CoreServices/Finder.app/Contents/MacOS/Finder: kCGErrorIllegalArgument : CGSSetWindowDepth: Invalid window type Feb 4 13:24:43 Sekhmet /System/Library/CoreServices/Finder.app/Contents/MacOS/Finder: kCGErrorIllegalArgument : CGSSetWindowDepth: Invalid window type Anonymous function hack: eating identifier InboxViewsMenu_Hide Anonymous function hack: eating identifier InboxViewsMenu_Hide Anonymous function hack: eating identifier InboxViewsMenu_Hide Feb 4 13:42:17 Sekhmet WindowServer[205]: CGXRemoveTrackingArea : Invalid tracking area Feb 4 13:47:58 Sekhmet WindowServer[205]: CGXDisableUpdate: Updates disabled by connection 0x4d0b for over 1.000000 seconds 2004-02-04 13:49:57.761 loginwindow[418] Could not find image named `bang'. how can i fix this? Thanks > On Feb 4, 2004, at 2:42 PM, mac osX wrote: > > > Hi! > > > > I have a 1GHz tibook 15" (ATI 9000), with 10.2.8. > > > > I was seeing a quicktime movie in the net (movie > > trailer) using safari, sudenly the display begans > to > > act weird, many h-lines, sometimes nothing can be > > viewed. > > > > I belived it was a hardware problem, but in my > other > > os (linux) all work flawlessly. > > > > Any idea? > > Maybe the quicktime modify some options? (H-sync? > > frecuency?) > > How can I fix it? > > > > Thanks. > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. > Try it! > > http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ > > _______________________________________________ > > MacOSX-admin mailing list > > MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com > > > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin > > > > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-admin mailing list > MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ From listuser at magicmiles.com Wed Feb 4 12:36:53 2004 From: listuser at magicmiles.com (m i l e s) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:46 2005 Subject: LDAP Server on OS X Client ? Message-ID: Hi, Im wondering, is there an LDAP server that will run on OS X Client ? -- M i l e s President & Toolbox Architect MagicMiles Software (413) 374 - 5161 PO Box 414, Northampton, MA 01060 http://www.servicetoolbox.com/ http://www.workshoptoolbox.com/ http://www.healingartstoolbox.com/ http://www.artshoptoolbox.com/ We create content management systems for the rest of us, starting at $25.00 a month, includes domain registration, web hosting, email and webmail. Great for Yoga Teachers, Massage Therapists, Lawyers, Doctors, and any professional! From subscriber at gloaming.com Wed Feb 4 12:40:16 2004 From: subscriber at gloaming.com (James Bucanek) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:46 2005 Subject: cron and sleep in Panther In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Jeremy Reichman wrote on Wednesday, February 4, 2004: >I'm not sure whether this would be true if the computer enters the >"deep sleep" mode -- if it's a Mac model that supports that. We were >not as concerned about that mode in our testing, but I think we did get >a set of of overnight tests that succeeded. "Deep sleep," as you are calling it, is the only True Sleep(tm) that we're talking about. All Macintosh computers should go in to "deep sleep" when they are put to sleep. In this mode, the processor does not run -- which includes cron. If you have computers that aren't going into "deep sleep" then they're not going to sleep (within the context of our discussion). There are a number of setting to sleep just the display, hard disk, etc. that don't put the processor to sleep. I do not consider this "sleeping" as the CPU is still running. Furthermore, there are certain periphrials (USB devices and some PCI cards) that prevent the computer to completely power down, thus preventing "deep sleep" even when you have it enabled. So, you can test all you want but the bottom line is this: If the CPU is in sleep mode, it is not running and no software is being executed, including cron. ______________________________________________________ James Bucanek From fdoc at att.net Wed Feb 4 12:51:10 2004 From: fdoc at att.net (Frank Dougherty) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:46 2005 Subject: A Survey ? ... In-Reply-To: <200402032000.i13K0Hoo019895@slowbro.omnigroup.com> References: <200402032000.i13K0Hoo019895@slowbro.omnigroup.com> Message-ID: I like EIMS, but I've only run it on OS 8 & 9. (It runs great on old boxes.) Glenn's support is excellent. When did OS 10.0 ship??? I don't want to add to the fray, but just to let you know, it's not in Beta anymore. Officially released in the last day or two. > >On Jan 27, 2004, at 9:58 PM, Dan Shoop wrote: >> >>>EIMS has promised an OS X verision of their server for, what, four >>>or five years now, and may yet qualify for the biggest vaporware >>>product of all time. There is a beta, but five years of beta > >>doesn't inspire me. >> -- Frank Dougherty fdoc@att.net 215-997-1801 Home 215-990-0495 cell From tim at diligence.com Wed Feb 4 13:05:05 2004 From: tim at diligence.com (Tim Uckun) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:46 2005 Subject: XServe RAID on Linux Box In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.2.20040204140230.00acbb48@mail.diligence.com> At 10:41 AM 2/4/2004 -0800, Scott Roebuck wrote: >Has anyone successfully attached an XServe RAID to a Linux Box? It is >certified for useon Linux. Why you ask? Stability and price points. Any >thoughts? Any perceived problems? This server would be for a PC based >render farm as well as some Mac Panther clients. Check out this web site. http://alienraid.org/index.php?topic=Configuration Some people have got it working with linux. I believe that Apple now officially says linux is supported too. :wq Tim Uckun US Investigations Services/Due Diligence http://www.diligence.com/ From magill at mcgillsociety.org Wed Feb 4 13:21:00 2004 From: magill at mcgillsociety.org (William H. Magill) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:46 2005 Subject: Applescript and transferring URL's In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <077BC1F0-5758-11D8-B8CF-000393768D2C@mcgillsociety.org> On 04 Feb, 2004, at 01:10, David Wikeley wrote: > Is there a script out there that will import into Safari all the > URL's from either IE or Netscape. This is after a system has been > updated from OS 9 to OS X 10.3. > I know Safari on first launch reads the URL's in OS X IE but does > nothing about the OS 9 side. We are doing a migration from OS 9 > machines (about 300 all individual staff machines) to OS X 10.3 and > need an easy way to do this. Take a look at URLMP - URL Manager Pro... Wonderful piece of shareware. http://www.url-manager.com/ T.T.F.N. William H. Magill # Beige G3 - Rev A motherboard - 768 Meg # Flat-panel iMac (2.1) 800MHz - Super Drive - 768 Meg # PWS433a [Alpha 21164 Rev 7.2 (EV56)- 64 Meg]- Tru64 5.1a # XP1000 - [Alpha EV6] magill@mcgillsociety.org magill@acm.org magill@mac.com From b.lloyd at mac.com Wed Feb 4 13:48:00 2004 From: b.lloyd at mac.com (Bill Lloyd) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:46 2005 Subject: LDAP Server on OS X Client ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sure, you can build and install OpenLDAP if you want (which is what OS X Server bundles). May require some work, but there's nothing "magical" about OS X Server that enables it to run things that regular OS X cannot. It's just more work for you to build, configure, and maintain. Cheers, -Bill On Feb 4, 2004, at 12:36 PM, m i l e s wrote: > Hi, > > Im wondering, is there an LDAP server that will run > on OS X Client ? > > -- > M i l e s > > President & Toolbox Architect > MagicMiles Software > (413) 374 - 5161 > PO Box 414, Northampton, MA 01060 > > http://www.servicetoolbox.com/ > http://www.workshoptoolbox.com/ > http://www.healingartstoolbox.com/ > http://www.artshoptoolbox.com/ > > We create content management systems for > the rest of us, starting at $25.00 a month, > includes domain registration, web hosting, > email and webmail. Great for Yoga Teachers, > Massage Therapists, Lawyers, Doctors, > and any professional! > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-admin mailing list > MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin From magill at mcgillsociety.org Wed Feb 4 13:51:06 2004 From: magill at mcgillsociety.org (William H. Magill) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:46 2005 Subject: cron and sleep in Panther In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3C40FB6C-575C-11D8-B8CF-000393768D2C@mcgillsociety.org> > Jeremy Reichman wrote on Wednesday, February 4, 2004: >> I'm not sure whether this would be true if the computer enters the >> "deep sleep" mode -- if it's a Mac model that supports that. We were >> not as concerned about that mode in our testing, but I think we did >> get >> a set of of overnight tests that succeeded. To determine what is happening... look at the Energy Saver Pref's page. If the first slider - "Put the computer to sleep when it is inactive for:" - is set to "Never," then Cron will run. However, when it is set to anything else, especially for longer time periods, cron continues to run until OSX writes out the contents of memory and shuts down the CPU. But as others have pointed out, once, the CPU is stopped, cron is not running. A 3 hour time period for sleep can mislead you into thinking the OS has gone to sleep when it has not. Because any job starting up during that time period resets the inactive counter. And it's easy to have say a 3 hour sleep time, but have cron jobs scheduled 2 hours apart which will prevent it from going to sleep. Similarly, active background daemons should prevent the computer from entering sleep even though the display will go black and the disk(s) spin down. T.T.F.N. William H. Magill # Beige G3 - Rev A motherboard - 768 Meg # Flat-panel iMac (2.1) 800MHz - Super Drive - 768 Meg # PWS433a [Alpha 21164 Rev 7.2 (EV56)- 64 Meg]- Tru64 5.1a # XP1000 - [Alpha EV6] magill@mcgillsociety.org magill@acm.org magill@mac.com From dwikeley at utas.edu.au Wed Feb 4 14:11:32 2004 From: dwikeley at utas.edu.au (David Wikeley) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:46 2005 Subject: Applescript and transferring URL's In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <16E168D0-575F-11D8-9CE5-000A95AF28C8@utas.edu.au> Thanks Michael, this is a simple solution. I did not want to install any extra software to overcome this problem. On 05/02/2004, at 12:16 AM, Michael A Biven wrote: > If you place Safari into debug mode you can import and export > bookmarks. To > put it into debug mode enter this in a terminal: defaults write > com.apple.Safari DebugIncludeMenu 1 > > Michael B. > -- > Michael A. Biven > http://locker.uky.edu/mbive2 > > >> From: David Wikeley >> Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 17:10:41 +1100 >> To: "MacOSX-admin-omnigroup.com" >> Subject: Applescript and transferring URL's >> >> Hi all, >> Is there a script out there that will import into Safari all the URL's >> from either IE or Netscape. This is after a system has been updated >> from OS 9 to OS X 10.3. >> I know Safari on first launch reads the URL's in OS X IE but does >> nothing about the OS 9 side. We are doing a migration from OS 9 >> machines (about 300 all individual staff machines) to OS X 10.3 and >> need an easy way to do this. >> >> thanks. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> MacOSX-admin mailing list >> MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com >> http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin >> > From karl.hardisty at clear.net.nz Wed Feb 4 14:19:07 2004 From: karl.hardisty at clear.net.nz (Karl Hardisty) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:46 2005 Subject: Applescript and transferring URL's In-Reply-To: <16E168D0-575F-11D8-9CE5-000A95AF28C8@utas.edu.au> References: <16E168D0-575F-11D8-9CE5-000A95AF28C8@utas.edu.au> Message-ID: <25DB8946-5760-11D8-8348-000A9589D1AC@clear.net.nz> ..k On 5/02/2004, at 11:11 AM, David Wikeley wrote: Thanks Michael, this is a simple solution. I did not want to install any extra software to overcome this problem. On 05/02/2004, at 12:16 AM, Michael A Biven wrote: > If you place Safari into debug mode you can import and export > bookmarks. To > put it into debug mode enter this in a terminal: defaults write > com.apple.Safari DebugIncludeMenu 1 > > Michael B. > -- > Michael A. Biven > http://locker.uky.edu/mbive2 > or: defaults write com.apple.Safari IncludeDebugMenu 1 ..k From shoop at iwiring.net Wed Feb 4 14:22:52 2004 From: shoop at iwiring.net (Dan Shoop) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:46 2005 Subject: A Survey ? ... In-Reply-To: References: <200402032000.i13K0Hoo019895@slowbro.omnigroup.com> Message-ID: At 3:51 PM -0500 2/4/04, Frank Dougherty wrote: >I like EIMS, but I've only run it on OS 8 & 9. (It runs great on old boxes.) >Glenn's support is excellent. EIMS is great on classical boxes and I highly recommend it there. >When did OS 10.0 ship??? Well the beta was 2000. >I don't want to add to the fray, but just to let you know, it's not >in Beta anymore. >Officially released in the last day or two. With our without a daemon? -- -dhan ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Dan Shoop shoop@iwiring.net Consulting Internet Architect shoop@mac.com AIM: iWiring pgp key fingerprint: FAC0 9434 B5A5 24A8 D0AF 12B1 7840 3BE7 3736 DE0B iWiring designs and supports Internet systems and networks based on Mac OS X, unix(tm), and Open Source applications technologies and offers 24x7, guaranteed support to registered clients. How can we help? From karl.hardisty at clear.net.nz Wed Feb 4 14:48:10 2004 From: karl.hardisty at clear.net.nz (Karl Hardisty) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:46 2005 Subject: Applescript and transferring URL's In-Reply-To: <25DB8946-5760-11D8-8348-000A9589D1AC@clear.net.nz> References: <16E168D0-575F-11D8-9CE5-000A95AF28C8@utas.edu.au> <25DB8946-5760-11D8-8348-000A9589D1AC@clear.net.nz> Message-ID: <34CEE828-5764-11D8-8348-000A9589D1AC@clear.net.nz> On 5/02/2004, at 11:11 AM, David Wikeley wrote: Thanks Michael, this is a simple solution. I did not want to install any extra software to overcome this problem. On 05/02/2004, at 12:16 AM, Michael A Biven wrote: > If you place Safari into debug mode you can import and export > bookmarks. To > put it into debug mode enter this in a terminal: defaults write > com.apple.Safari DebugIncludeMenu 1 > > Michael B. > -- > Michael A. Biven > http://locker.uky.edu/mbive2 > Apologies! Edit: and: defaults write com.apple.Safari IncludeDebugMenu 0 To turn it off. (awake now) _______________________________________________ MacOSX-admin mailing list MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin From mbartosh at mac.com Wed Feb 4 14:58:32 2004 From: mbartosh at mac.com (Michael Bartosh) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:46 2005 Subject: LDAP Server on OS X Client ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 1:48 PM -0800 2/4/04, Bill Lloyd wrote: >Sure, you can build and install OpenLDAP if you want (which is what >OS X Server bundles). May require some work, but there's nothing >"magical" about OS X Server that enables it to run things that >regular OS X cannot. It's just more work for you to build, >configure, and maintain. slapd ships on Mac OS X client. No need to build anyhting. -- http://www.4am-media.com Mac OS X Consulting and Training Michael Bartosh mbartosh@4am-media.com 303.517.0272 Denver, CO "The surest way to corrupt a youth is to instruct him to hold in higher regard those who think alike than those who think differently." - -- Nietzsche Think Different. From johannes at connected.ch Wed Feb 4 15:23:43 2004 From: johannes at connected.ch (Johannes Vetsch) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:46 2005 Subject: tibook display In-Reply-To: <20040204200000.50901.qmail@web20729.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2C72E10E-5769-11D8-8B7D-000393764C26@connected.ch> I have kind of similar behaviour (also under 10.2.8, iBook) with a game running in 800x600 full screen when I happen to move the (invisible) cursor into the screen saver activation corner. Then the screen tries to change from 800x600 tp 1024x768 and back several times. The console is then filled with the same message (similar to your first console entry) [1] Feb 4 23:43:22 johannes WindowServer[175]: CGXDisableUpdate: Updates disabled by connection 0x30f4f for over 1.000000 seconds When I pause the game and try to open an app over the doc the behavior is even worse and can crash the starting application. I haven't filed a bug cause I wasn't sure where to file it (game or Apple) and it is on the way of getting better compared to earlier OS X versions. [2] johannes [1] QT from my knowledge can force the fullscreen into another resolution (which could cause the problem), but does not, when you go over the menu "full screen" which does not change the resolution. [2]If I remember right there was a long thread on this list or on macOSX-talk about the question if the application or the OS should restore the screen resolution and the position of running applications (open windows etc which is BTW the best indicator if the resolution was changed). Am Mittwoch, 04.02.04, um 21:00 Uhr (Europe/Berlin) schrieb mac osX: >> Did you switch to full-screen view? Maybe it forced >> a resolution that >> your video didn't like. >> > Nop. > > I rebooted the box, still the same problem. > > in console i have: > > Feb 4 13:14:54 Sekhmet WindowServer[205]: > CGXDisableUpdate: Updates disabled by connection > 0x5007 for over 1.000000 seconds > > Feb 4 13:23:47 Sekhmet > /System/Library/CoreServices/Finder.app/Contents/MacOS/Finder: > kCGErrorIllegalArgument : CGSSetWindowDepth: Invalid > window type > > Feb 4 13:23:47 Sekhmet > /System/Library/CoreServices/Finder.app/Contents/MacOS/Finder: > kCGErrorIllegalArgument : CGSSetWindowDepth: Invalid > window type > > Feb 4 13:24:43 Sekhmet > /System/Library/CoreServices/Finder.app/Contents/MacOS/Finder: > kCGErrorIllegalArgument : CGSSetWindowDepth: Invalid > window type > > Feb 4 13:24:43 Sekhmet > /System/Library/CoreServices/Finder.app/Contents/MacOS/Finder: > kCGErrorIllegalArgument : CGSSetWindowDepth: Invalid > window type > > Anonymous function hack: eating identifier > InboxViewsMenu_Hide > Anonymous function hack: eating identifier > InboxViewsMenu_Hide > Anonymous function hack: eating identifier > InboxViewsMenu_Hide > Feb 4 13:42:17 Sekhmet WindowServer[205]: > CGXRemoveTrackingArea : Invalid tracking area > > Feb 4 13:47:58 Sekhmet WindowServer[205]: > CGXDisableUpdate: Updates disabled by connection > 0x4d0b for over 1.000000 seconds > > 2004-02-04 13:49:57.761 loginwindow[418] Could not > find image named `bang'. > > how can i fix this? > > Thanks > > >> On Feb 4, 2004, at 2:42 PM, mac osX wrote: >> >>> Hi! >>> >>> I have a 1GHz tibook 15" (ATI 9000), with 10.2.8. >>> >>> I was seeing a quicktime movie in the net (movie >>> trailer) using safari, sudenly the display begans >> to >>> act weird, many h-lines, sometimes nothing can be >>> viewed. >>> >>> I belived it was a hardware problem, but in my >> other >>> os (linux) all work flawlessly. >>> >>> Any idea? >>> Maybe the quicktime modify some options? (H-sync? >>> frecuency?) >>> How can I fix it? >>> >>> Thanks. >>> >>> __________________________________ >>> Do you Yahoo!? >>> Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. >> Try it! >>> http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ >>> _______________________________________________ >>> MacOSX-admin mailing list >>> MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com >>> >> > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> MacOSX-admin mailing list >> MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com >> http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! > http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-admin mailing list > MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin > From boyd-adamson at usa.net Tue Feb 3 17:23:31 2004 From: boyd-adamson at usa.net (Boyd Adamson) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:46 2005 Subject: Tx: Need with Mac mail References: <750964EA-566B-11D8-9E26-003065D3FF28@zeus.ugent.be> Message-ID: <87ad3z8woc.fsf@eddy.tactio.lan> Jonas Maebe writes: > On 3 feb 2004, at 18:02, Charles Ryan wrote: > >>> Sure there is: just go in Mail's preferences and set the correct >>> outgoing mailserver in the "accounts" section. >> Thank you for responding. >> I have done this and even deleted all accounts and have started from >> scratch. >> For some reason I still 2 unwanted outgoing servers listed and >> Intermittently one of these becomes the default outgoing server. >> I see there is an add server but no delete server. > > Afaik, you indeed cannot delete a mailserver in 10.2.x's Mail (unless > you edit its configuration file by hand). You can delete them in > 10.3. However, it should only ask to select another server if the > default one does not work for some reason. I have regularly switched > between different mailservers under 10.2.8 on my iBook and have never > experienced it changing the mailserver without asking me. You may like to look at ~/Library/Preferences/com.apple.mail.plist Have a look under "DeliveryAccounts" -- Boyd From karl.hardisty at clear.net.nz Wed Feb 4 18:08:35 2004 From: karl.hardisty at clear.net.nz (Karl Hardisty) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:46 2005 Subject: Tx: Need with Mac mail In-Reply-To: <87ad3z8woc.fsf@eddy.tactio.lan> References: <750964EA-566B-11D8-9E26-003065D3FF28@zeus.ugent.be> <87ad3z8woc.fsf@eddy.tactio.lan> Message-ID: <349F5F80-5780-11D8-806E-000A9589D1AC@clear.net.nz> On 4/02/2004, at 2:23 PM, Boyd Adamson wrote: Jonas Maebe writes: > On 3 feb 2004, at 18:02, Charles Ryan wrote: > >>> Sure there is: just go in Mail's preferences and set the correct >>> outgoing mailserver in the "accounts" section. >> Thank you for responding. >> I have done this and even deleted all accounts and have started from >> scratch. >> For some reason I still 2 unwanted outgoing servers listed and >> Intermittently one of these becomes the default outgoing server. >> I see there is an add server but no delete server. > > Afaik, you indeed cannot delete a mailserver in 10.2.x's Mail (unless > you edit its configuration file by hand). You can delete them in > 10.3. However, it should only ask to select another server if the > default one does not work for some reason. I have regularly switched > between different mailservers under 10.2.8 on my iBook and have never > experienced it changing the mailserver without asking me. You may like to look at ~/Library/Preferences/com.apple.mail.plist Have a look under "DeliveryAccounts" -- Boyd To add to what Boyd said: open the Mail preference file in your home directory in TexEdit: ~/library/preferences/com.apple.Mail.plist Make a back up of the file, then once open, scroll down until you find the details for the server you want to delete under DeliveryAccounts (using search makes this simple) - it will be in similar format to below: AccountType SMTPAccount Hostname smtp.xxxxxx.com ShouldUseAuthentication NO Delete the section pertaining to the unwanted server(s), save the changes, and restart Mail. After testing to ensure no untoward issues have arisen, it is safe to delete the back up you made of the preference (.plist) file. From magill at mcgillsociety.org Wed Feb 4 20:13:42 2004 From: magill at mcgillsociety.org (William H. Magill) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:46 2005 Subject: Server Experiences In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 03 Feb, 2004, at 18:08, Bart Silverstrim wrote: > I'm hoping in the next few months to work on a new house, and in the > process set up a new home network (yay!) > > I'd like to use OS X for most of the server and client duties, but I'm > not sure how well it'll work overall. I'm strongly considering using > OS X for clients and FreeBSD as the server (NFS for shares, web > server, mail server, etc.). In my searching for information, someone > pointed out the site > > http://www.littlest.co.uk/support/Mac_OS_X_Server_Problems.html > > to me and it further reinforced my leaning towards using FreeBSD or > Linux for the primary server. My questions are twofold... > > a) Anyone have experiences with using FreeBSD to serve sharing/etc. to > Mac clients, and to Windows (I'm thinking if I need to run windows in > the network, I'll probably try Services for Unix, now that they're > free...) that they're willing to share? > > b) Can anyone confirm/deny/comment on the difficulties encountered by > the person who wrote up the above site? > > Be nice and constructive in the site comments; I have it on good > authority that that person may be reading the forum archives in his > search for answers to questions too :-) Replies to both of my > questions may end up helping us both... As others have pointed out -- OS X IS FreeBSD. Anything you can do with FreeBSD, you can do with OS X ... Client or Server! In other words -- if you want to run a FreeBSD server, just run OS X Client and install whatever is missing that you want. T.T.F.N. William H. Magill # Beige G3 - Rev A motherboard - 768 Meg # Flat-panel iMac (2.1) 800MHz - Super Drive - 768 Meg # PWS433a [Alpha 21164 Rev 7.2 (EV56)- 64 Meg]- Tru64 5.1a # XP1000 - [Alpha EV6] magill@mcgillsociety.org magill@acm.org magill@mac.com From justin at mac.com Wed Feb 4 21:56:56 2004 From: justin at mac.com (Justin Walker) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:46 2005 Subject: cron and sleep in Panther In-Reply-To: <3C40FB6C-575C-11D8-B8CF-000393768D2C@mcgillsociety.org> Message-ID: <1B1A1E51-57A0-11D8-990C-00306544D642@mac.com> On Wednesday, February 4, 2004, at 01:51 PM, William H. Magill wrote: >> Jeremy Reichman wrote on Wednesday, February 4, 2004: >>> I'm not sure whether this would be true if the computer enters the >>> "deep sleep" mode -- if it's a Mac model that supports that. We were >>> not as concerned about that mode in our testing, but I think we did >>> get >>> a set of of overnight tests that succeeded. > > To determine what is happening... look at the Energy Saver Pref's page. > > If the first slider - "Put the computer to sleep when it is inactive > for:" - > is set to "Never," then Cron will run. > > However, when it is set to anything else, especially for longer time > periods, cron continues to run until OSX writes out the contents of > memory and shuts down the CPU. But as others have pointed out, once, > the CPU is stopped, cron is not running. > > A 3 hour time period for sleep can mislead you into thinking the OS > has gone to sleep when it has not. Because any job starting up during > that time period resets the inactive counter. And it's easy to have > say a 3 hour sleep time, but have cron jobs scheduled 2 hours apart > which will prevent it from going to sleep. > > Similarly, active background daemons should prevent the computer from > entering sleep even though the display will go black and the disk(s) > spin down. To add to this thread: in 10.3, one has the ability to "schedule" wakeups (this I think was mentioned earlier). In this case, the system is in "deep" or "full" sleep, and as you mention above, software is *not* running. The wakeup occurs in the ASIC that controls power management, and is not under the auspices of 'cron'. The following comes from the developer website (this version is specific to the G4): ------------------------------------- Full sleep: The main power supply is shut down. A trickle supply provides auxiliary power to the PCI slots and keeps the DRAM state preserved for a quick recovery. All processors are powered off with their state preserved in DRAM. All clocks in the system are suspended except for the 32.768 KHz timebase crystal on the PMU99 IC. This mode allows the computer to meet the 5 W sleep requirement while providing the ability to start up without rebooting. This system may be awakened by administrative network packets, keyboard or mouse activity, USB device removal, or PMU scheduled wakeup. ------------------------------------- This appears to work on G3/G4/G5 systems with Mac OS X 10.3; the ability to schedule wakeups is not present on 10.2, and 'cron' doesn't help in this case. Also, as has been mentioned before, if 'cron' is scheduled to run at a time when the system is sleeping, it won't run after wakeup until the next scheduled opportunity (i.e., the wakeup will not trigger cron jobs that should have run during sleep). Cheers, Justin -- Justin C. Walker, Curmudgeon-At-Large * Institute for General Semantics | Men are from Earth. | Women are from Earth. | Deal with it. *--------------------------------------*-------------------------------* From tim at diligence.com Thu Feb 5 00:15:33 2004 From: tim at diligence.com (tuckun) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:46 2005 Subject: Server Experiences In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4021FBA5.5020801@diligence.com> > As others have pointed out -- OS X IS FreeBSD. Anything you can do > with FreeBSD, you can do with OS X ... Client or Server! > Well yes and no. Sure it's freebsd based but there are significant differences and things you will have to re-learn if you come from a freebsd background. Some things are much easier because Apple has already set up apache, ldap, kerberos, samba etc for you already. Not only that but they have all been kerberized too. The bad part of that is that it becomes pretty difficult to try to upgrade one part or another without messing up royally. Sometimes when you edit files the GUI will blast your changes out of the water. Other things are just mysterious and require lots of searching on google to get. It took me a couple of days of searching on google to try and figure out how to automount samba shares for example. The directory structure is very different and the apple way of doing things is also very different. You will have to get used to it. For example in Freebsd all the config files are either in /etc or /usr/local/etc in apple they are most often in the same directory as your application. You don't have ports but you can install fink and get apt (you should). But be careful when you install something you need to make sure you are calling the right binary. PERL is pretty mucked up in OS X if you install the dev tools in straightens it up a bit at least enough to CPAN to get working. In summary some things are much easier in OSX other things are much harder, still others are just different enough to frustrate you all to hell. From robertcerny at mac.com Thu Feb 5 03:22:39 2004 From: robertcerny at mac.com (Robert Cerny) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:46 2005 Subject: Keyboard Message-ID: <9B7EB87C-57CD-11D8-9CC9-000A9571A4D4@mac.com> Hi folks, is there a way how to find which keyboard is currently selected in the menu bar? Or at least which script is curretnly active for the frontmost application? Thanks Robert From robertcerny at mac.com Thu Feb 5 04:24:31 2004 From: robertcerny at mac.com (Robert Cerny) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:46 2005 Subject: Keyboard In-Reply-To: <8E48E788-57D3-11D8-9CC9-000A9571A4D4@mac.com> References: <8E48E788-57D3-11D8-9CC9-000A9571A4D4@mac.com> Message-ID: <4021E4CA-57D6-11D8-9CC9-000A9571A4D4@mac.com> Ups, looks like Mails bug. Sorry R. On 5.2.2004, at 12:22, Robert Cerny wrote: > Hi folks, > is there a way how to find which keyboard is currently selected in the > menu bar? Or at least which script is curretnly active for the > frontmost application? > > Thanks > Robert > > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-dev mailing list > MacOSX-dev@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-dev From larkost at softhome.net Thu Feb 5 05:10:08 2004 From: larkost at softhome.net (Karl Kuehn) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:46 2005 Subject: Server Experiences In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9F445C96-57DC-11D8-8FD6-003065D8C728@softhome.net> Umm... while there may be some non-trivial similarities, you will not get very far by assuming that things will be the same. Right off the bat there is no /usr/ports (fink is not the same), and most of the basic system administration is very different (NetInfo, StatrupItems, layout, IOKit). And porting applications can be difficult. Saying that you can do anything with MacOS X that you can with FreeBSD is like saying that anything you can do with Linux you can do with MacOS X. There are massive differences offsetting the similarities. Karl Kuehn larkost@softhome.net On Feb 4, 2004, at 11:13 PM, William H. Magill wrote: > As others have pointed out -- OS X IS FreeBSD. Anything you can do > with FreeBSD, you can do with OS X ... Client or Server! > > In other words -- if you want to run a FreeBSD server, just run OS X > Client and install whatever is missing that you want. From coral at ssmith.com Thu Feb 5 07:18:54 2004 From: coral at ssmith.com (Bob) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:46 2005 Subject: Restoring default 10.3 server Firewall filters Message-ID: <9C8BE032-57EE-11D8-8A24-003065A0EE00@ssmith.com> I hacked away at my new Panther Server Manager Firewall filters trying to get things to work and messed it all up. Now that I've read a little on ipfw filters I'd like to see what Apple thought was a good starting point. Without reinstalling the OS how can I restore the defaults? Or does someone know of any documentation listing the default filters so I can just manually enter them. Thanks From crank at pushhere.com Thu Feb 5 08:11:25 2004 From: crank at pushhere.com (Chris Rank) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:46 2005 Subject: Recent crashes Message-ID: Recently, I have been experiencing crashes quite frequently on OS 10.3.2 server. The log files offer no clues as to cause, but the nature of the crashes are very interesting. All of the sudden, any new application or process instance that must launch stops. If in the GUI when launching an app, it bounces for a while but never actually initializes. Command line processes also lock up and no new commands can be executed. The only remedy for this behavior is to force reboot the server. Has anyone else seen similar behavior and if so, how would you suggest fixing it. The server is an Open Directory Master serving about 40 clients in an AFP environment, also acting as Postfix server as well as IMAP. One thing in the dmesg log that I am noticing on startup is the following message: SPI Device Assert failed: result CONTROLLER_INIT_FAILURE file: IOSCSIParallelInterfaceDevice.cpp line: 117 Computer starts fine after about 10 of these messages on startup and then functions correctly. Am I looking at a hardware issue here or some kind of Mach process problem? From rcaskey at uga.edu Thu Feb 5 11:20:40 2004 From: rcaskey at uga.edu (Rob J. Caskey) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:46 2005 Subject: Problems with Auth Sequence Timing Message-ID: <1076008840.6271.15.camel@varese25.music.uga.edu> Okay I'm authing against an Active Directory and have hacked up the files as directed and now when someone logs in it auths them against thedirectory, gets out Kerberos tickets, and executes a log in hook before logging in. All would be well except the login hook runs with root permissions and Kerberos' client utils are designed so that a simple su will not allow you to grab tickets of other users. Since the user logging in has the ticket root doesn't have permissions to mount the home directory for the user. The only implementation of ksu I have seen available is not linked against the Apple revision of the Kerberos libs. Is there a working ksu for OSX I should be looking into? Any suggestions? I really don't want to privilege the root user and would prefer to mount only a single home directory at the time. Thanks, --Rob From shoop at iwiring.net Thu Feb 5 11:52:35 2004 From: shoop at iwiring.net (Dan Shoop) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:46 2005 Subject: Server Experiences In-Reply-To: <4021FBA5.5020801@diligence.com> References: <4021FBA5.5020801@diligence.com> Message-ID: At 1:15 AM -0700 2/5/04, tuckun wrote: >You don't have ports but you can install fink and get apt (you should). Ah, there is a Ports. http://darwinports.opendarwin.org/ >>As others have pointed out -- OS X IS FreeBSD. Anything you can do >>with FreeBSD, you can do with OS X ... Client or Server! >> >Well yes and no. Sure it's freebsd based but there are significant >differences and things you will have to re-learn if you come from a >freebsd background. >In summary some things are much easier in OSX other things are much >harder, still others are just different enough to frustrate you all >to hell. Well then by extending that sort of logic Solaris is also not unix either because some things are different... All unix flavors are going to be subtly different (heck Linux is a nightmare with it's googles of distros, all subtly different), but Mac OS X *is* FreeBSD based, and familiarity with it should get you going. Sure, there's extra stuff too, that is FreeBSD is a subset of Mac OS X, and Mac OS X provides a richer environment with extras that you deal with the same way that Solaris extends System V. Just like Solaris has NIS+, Mac OS X has NetInfo. And both being commercial unix systems they also work well out of the box in distributed environments, something that may cause some pain and frustration, but is actually a big plus. -- -dhan ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Dan Shoop shoop@iwiring.net Consulting Internet Architect shoop@mac.com AIM: iWiring pgp key fingerprint: FAC0 9434 B5A5 24A8 D0AF 12B1 7840 3BE7 3736 DE0B iWiring designs and supports Internet systems and networks based on Mac OS X, unix(tm), and Open Source applications technologies and offers 24x7, guaranteed support to registered clients. How can we help? From shoop at iwiring.net Thu Feb 5 11:56:51 2004 From: shoop at iwiring.net (Dan Shoop) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:46 2005 Subject: Server Experiences In-Reply-To: <9F445C96-57DC-11D8-8FD6-003065D8C728@softhome.net> References: <9F445C96-57DC-11D8-8FD6-003065D8C728@softhome.net> Message-ID: At 8:10 AM -0500 2/5/04, Karl Kuehn wrote: > Umm... while there may be some non-trivial similarities, you >will not get very far by assuming that things will be the same. >Right off the bat there is no /usr/ports (fink is not the same), There is a ports system. > and most of the basic system administration is very different >(NetInfo, StatrupItems, layout, IOKit). And porting applications can >be difficult. So Solaris isn't System V b/c it uses NIS+ and has it's own startup ideas? > Saying that you can do anything with MacOS X that you can >with FreeBSD is like saying that anything you can do with Linux you >can do with MacOS X. There are massive differences offsetting the >similarities. But there are more similarities then there are differences. OS X is a superset of FreeBSD. It's got many "add ons" and these add ons are the differences. FreeBSD doesn' have them, but if you bolted OpenDir technologies on FreeBSD you'd have something very similar. I'd say the biggest difference, one that no one seems to have latched onto yet is that they use very different kernels and this influences, or flavors I should say, many things. OS X uses the wonderful Mach kernel. -- -dhan ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Dan Shoop shoop@iwiring.net Consulting Internet Architect shoop@mac.com AIM: iWiring pgp key fingerprint: FAC0 9434 B5A5 24A8 D0AF 12B1 7840 3BE7 3736 DE0B iWiring designs and supports Internet systems and networks based on Mac OS X, unix(tm), and Open Source applications technologies and offers 24x7, guaranteed support to registered clients. How can we help? From tim at diligence.com Thu Feb 5 13:45:07 2004 From: tim at diligence.com (Tim Uckun) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:46 2005 Subject: Server Experiences In-Reply-To: References: <4021FBA5.5020801@diligence.com> <4021FBA5.5020801@diligence.com> Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.2.20040205144318.00acc998@mail.diligence.com> > >Well then by extending that sort of logic Solaris is also not unix either >because some things are different... I don't know where you get the idea that I don't think OS X is not unix. I never said such a thing. I am simply pointing out that if somebody comes from a freebsd background they should prepare to be confused and frustrated. :wq Tim Uckun US Investigations Services/Due Diligence http://www.diligence.com/ From ryan.clevenger at northpoint.org Thu Feb 5 14:15:02 2004 From: ryan.clevenger at northpoint.org (Ryan Clevenger) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:46 2005 Subject: Remote Home Dir's Message-ID: Ok I am a Noob here and am having some problems setting up remote home directories. I really don?t understand netinfo all that well. I have read the online manuals apple offers but am still unable to successfully mount a home directory on a client machine. Does anyone have any good resources that I can read that will explain the steps I need to take in more detail so I can figure this out? Ryan Clevenger Computer Support Specialist North Point Community Church Work - 678.892.5770 Cell ? 770.634.9816 ryan.clevenger@northpoint.org From karl.hardisty at clear.net.nz Thu Feb 5 15:40:02 2004 From: karl.hardisty at clear.net.nz (Karl Hardisty) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:46 2005 Subject: Restoring default 10.3 server Firewall filters In-Reply-To: <9C8BE032-57EE-11D8-8A24-003065A0EE00@ssmith.com> References: <9C8BE032-57EE-11D8-8A24-003065A0EE00@ssmith.com> Message-ID: <9E132014-5834-11D8-BFAD-000A9589D1AC@clear.net.nz> On 6/02/2004, at 4:18 AM, Bob wrote: I hacked away at my new Panther Server Manager Firewall filters trying to get things to work and messed it all up. Now that I've read a little on ipfw filters I'd like to see what Apple thought was a good starting point. Without reinstalling the OS how can I restore the defaults? Or does someone know of any documentation listing the default filters so I can just manually enter them. Thanks I haven't actually tried it on server, but the following in Terminal clears all rules in ipfw (as opposed to restoring defaults, if any) sudo ipfw flush ..k From justin at mac.com Thu Feb 5 15:48:36 2004 From: justin at mac.com (Justin Walker) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:46 2005 Subject: Restoring default 10.3 server Firewall filters In-Reply-To: <9E132014-5834-11D8-BFAD-000A9589D1AC@clear.net.nz> Message-ID: On Thursday, February 5, 2004, at 03:40 PM, Karl Hardisty wrote: > On 6/02/2004, at 4:18 AM, Bob wrote: >> >> I hacked away at my new Panther Server Manager Firewall filters >> trying to get things to work and messed it all up. Now that I've read >> a little on ipfw filters I'd like to see what Apple thought was a >> good starting point. >> >> Without reinstalling the OS how can I restore the defaults? Or does >> someone know of any documentation listing the default filters so I >> can just manually enter them. >> >> Thanks > > I haven't actually tried it on server, but the following in Terminal > clears all rules in ipfw (as opposed to restoring defaults, if any) > > sudo ipfw flush I think the OP wanted a copy of the original set of filters as installed by the Firewall support on the Server. This will just flush what is currently active, and reset the firewall to a "real" default (in this case, allow everything). He's clobbered the original filters, and needs an untouched copy. Regards, Justin -- Justin C. Walker, Curmudgeon-At-Large * Institute for General Semantics | Men are from Earth. | Women are from Earth. | Deal with it. *--------------------------------------*-------------------------------* From duncan at x180.net Thu Feb 5 16:00:16 2004 From: duncan at x180.net (James Duncan Davidson) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:46 2005 Subject: Recent crashes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <71F2CA8E-5837-11D8-80F3-000A9599E492@x180.net> On Feb 5, 2004, at 08:11, Chris Rank wrote: > Recently, > > I have been experiencing crashes quite frequently on OS 10.3.2 server. > The log files offer no clues as to cause, but the nature of the > crashes are very interesting. You may be seeing a hardware problem or you may be suffering from a crashreporterd/lookupd issue. Do the symptoms in this thread sound familiar?: http://discussions.info.apple.com/webx?128@158.fhWEaeR3bBB.3@.599e4376 From magill at mcgillsociety.org Thu Feb 5 18:53:10 2004 From: magill at mcgillsociety.org (William H. Magill) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:46 2005 Subject: Server Experiences In-Reply-To: <5.0.0.25.2.20040205144318.00acc998@mail.diligence.com> References: <4021FBA5.5020801@diligence.com> <4021FBA5.5020801@diligence.com> <5.0.0.25.2.20040205144318.00acc998@mail.diligence.com> Message-ID: <99590CFA-584F-11D8-A1F0-000393768D2C@mcgillsociety.org> On 05 Feb, 2004, at 16:45, Tim Uckun wrote: >> Well then by extending that sort of logic Solaris is also not unix >> either because some things are different... > > I don't know where you get the idea that I don't think OS X is not > unix. I never said such a thing. I am simply pointing out that if > somebody comes from a freebsd background they should prepare to be > confused and frustrated. Quite true. This is the mistake which far too many "Unix" System Administrators make however. They have had experience with only one flavor of Unix, and they assume that "is the way Unix works." Anyone who works with a true heterogeneous Unix environment, has had to confront the fact that each and every version of Unix, not to mention Linux, is different -- when you get down to the System Administration level. The end-user environment may be similar or even made to be identical across different Unix platforms, but what you have to do to make that happen DOES require "Unix Wizard" status. And, for what it's worth, Sun marketing is the worst offender of the bunch -- just look at the number of times people claim that Sun invented Unix! T.T.F.N. William H. Magill # Beige G3 - Rev A motherboard - 768 Meg # Flat-panel iMac (2.1) 800MHz - Super Drive - 768 Meg # PWS433a [Alpha 21164 Rev 7.2 (EV56)- 64 Meg]- Tru64 5.1a # XP1000 - [Alpha EV6] magill@mcgillsociety.org magill@acm.org magill@mac.com From magill at mcgillsociety.org Thu Feb 5 18:58:48 2004 From: magill at mcgillsociety.org (William H. Magill) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:46 2005 Subject: Restoring default 10.3 server Firewall filters In-Reply-To: <9C8BE032-57EE-11D8-8A24-003065A0EE00@ssmith.com> References: <9C8BE032-57EE-11D8-8A24-003065A0EE00@ssmith.com> Message-ID: <62E22A8D-5850-11D8-A1F0-000393768D2C@mcgillsociety.org> On 05 Feb, 2004, at 10:18, Bob wrote: > I hacked away at my new Panther Server Manager Firewall filters trying > to get things to work and messed it all up. Now that I've read a > little on ipfw filters I'd like to see what Apple thought was a good > starting point. > > Without reinstalling the OS how can I restore the defaults? Or does > someone know of any documentation listing the default filters so I can > just manually enter them. If you have another system with a clean install, you can copy over the config files. I don't know if the Server "Command Line administration" manual contains the info you need or not, but it might. http://www.apple.com/server/documentation/ T.T.F.N. William H. Magill # Beige G3 - Rev A motherboard - 768 Meg # Flat-panel iMac (2.1) 800MHz - Super Drive - 768 Meg # PWS433a [Alpha 21164 Rev 7.2 (EV56)- 64 Meg]- Tru64 5.1a # XP1000 - [Alpha EV6] magill@mcgillsociety.org magill@acm.org magill@mac.com From shoop at iwiring.net Thu Feb 5 19:14:58 2004 From: shoop at iwiring.net (Dan Shoop) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:46 2005 Subject: Server Experiences In-Reply-To: <5.0.0.25.2.20040205144318.00acc998@mail.diligence.com> References: <4021FBA5.5020801@diligence.com> <4021FBA5.5020801@diligence.com> <5.0.0.25.2.20040205144318.00acc998@mail.diligence.com> Message-ID: At 2:45 PM -0700 2/5/04, Tim Uckun wrote: >>Well then by extending that sort of logic Solaris is also not unix >>either because some things are different... > >I don't know where you get the idea that I don't think OS X is not >unix. I never said such a thing. I am simply pointing out that if >somebody comes from a freebsd background they should prepare to be >confused and frustrated. Anything that would confuse or frustrate should be mooted to a reasonable degree if they'd choose OS X Server for a server product over base OS X. Likewise the documentation alone and full features would mitigate many of their issues. -- -dhan ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Dan Shoop shoop@iwiring.net Consulting Internet Architect shoop@mac.com AIM: iWiring pgp key fingerprint: FAC0 9434 B5A5 24A8 D0AF 12B1 7840 3BE7 3736 DE0B iWiring designs and supports Internet systems and networks based on Mac OS X, unix(tm), and Open Source applications technologies and offers 24x7, guaranteed support to registered clients. How can we help? From jpb at ApesSeekingKnowledge.net Thu Feb 5 10:38:24 2004 From: jpb at ApesSeekingKnowledge.net (Joe Block) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:46 2005 Subject: cron and sleep in Panther In-Reply-To: <1B1A1E51-57A0-11D8-990C-00306544D642@mac.com> References: <1B1A1E51-57A0-11D8-990C-00306544D642@mac.com> Message-ID: <7B1FFC02-580A-11D8-802A-000393102F9E@ApesSeekingKnowledge.net> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Feb 5, 2004, at 12:56 AM, Justin Walker wrote: > Also, as has been mentioned before, if 'cron' is scheduled to run at a > time when the system is sleeping, it won't run after wakeup until the > next scheduled opportunity (i.e., the wakeup will not trigger cron > jobs that should have run during sleep). If that's the behavior you want, you need to install anacron and have it run your normal cron jobs. Then configure cron to run anacron every 10 or 15 minutes, and it will ensure that your daily/weekly/monthly maintenance jobs get run. Anacron is available through fink. jpb - -- Joe Block I have always wished that my computer would be as easy to use as my telephone. My wish has come true. I no longer know how to use my telephone. - Bjarne Stroustrup -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) iD8DBQFAIo2gyEXo8W2M9hsRAhfMAKCc0cNZGVOcZ/AYFayMpYqOs8uaFACfaDVB LNuUKDGrQymmf1yIZru4rro= =Fw8p -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From osx_mac at yahoo.com Thu Feb 5 20:23:47 2004 From: osx_mac at yahoo.com (mac osX) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:46 2005 Subject: tibook display In-Reply-To: <9B566CA8-57EC-11D8-8392-000A95A53942@rattei.org> Message-ID: <20040206042347.88280.qmail@web20722.mail.yahoo.com> > > I have a 1GHz tibook 15" (ATI 9000), with 10.2.8. > > > > I was seeing a quicktime movie in the net (movie > > trailer) using safari, sudenly the display begans > to > > act weird, many h-lines, sometimes nothing can be > > viewed. > > > > I belived it was a hardware problem, but in my > other > > os (linux) all work flawlessly. > > It is a hardware problem - I've seen it happen > before when doing > graphics intensive stuff, and the GPU heats up, that > the GPU starts > failing to redraw the screen correctly - thus the > horizontal lines. > Call up AppleCare, or take it to an AASP - they will > have to send it in > to have the MLB (main logic board) replaced. This > is covered by > warranty or the AppleCare Protection Plan. > Hi! It was not a hardware problem. I booted with the system DVD, ran the disk utility and repair the osX partition. I encountered some troubles, but fixed them. When the problem began, i just boot, conected to the net, and saw the movie trailer, not more than 5 minutes running. The tibook was still not hot, and had any intensive graphics stuff. Now all is fine again. Thanks to everybody. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html From rpeskin at rlpcon.com Thu Feb 5 21:08:39 2004 From: rpeskin at rlpcon.com (Richard Peskin) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:46 2005 Subject: 10.2 server mail problem Message-ID: <864DD128-5862-11D8-B776-000A95A6858C@rlpcon.com> Can anyone point me to a possible cause of the following "connection refused by localhost" error? -------- Feb 6 00:03:45 server sendmail[554]: i116gsHV009264: to=www, delay=4+22:20:51, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=ams, pri=10922347, relay=localhost, dsn=4.0.0, stat=Deferred: Connection refused by localhost ------- All incoming mail messages to a server running 10.2 server result in this error. thanks, --dick peskin ________________________________________________________ Richard L. Peskin, RLP Consulting, Londonderry, VT http://www.rlpcon.com http://www.caip.rutgers.edu/~peskin From justin at mac.com Thu Feb 5 23:01:31 2004 From: justin at mac.com (Justin Walker) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:46 2005 Subject: 10.2 server mail problem In-Reply-To: <864DD128-5862-11D8-B776-000A95A6858C@rlpcon.com> Message-ID: <4AEC17DC-5872-11D8-94C4-00306544D642@mac.com> On Thursday, February 5, 2004, at 09:08 PM, Richard Peskin wrote: > Can anyone point me to a possible cause of the following "connection > refused by localhost" error? > -------- > Feb 6 00:03:45 server sendmail[554]: i116gsHV009264: to=www, > delay=4+22:20:51, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=ams, pri=10922347, > relay=localhost, dsn=4.0.0, stat=Deferred: Connection refused by > localhost > ------- > All incoming mail messages to a server running 10.2 server result in > this error. The only reason to get this error is the failure of a connect request due to a received RST from the remote endpoint, and that, typically, occurs when there is no listener on the port for the incoming SYN (initial TCP) packet. In english, there probably is not a mail server listening for connections on 'localhost'. Regards, Justin -- Justin C. Walker, Curmudgeon-At-Large * Institute for General Semantics | Some people have a mental | horizon of radius zero, and | call it their point of view. | -- David Hilbert *--------------------------------------*-------------------------------* From list-omnigroup at fsck.net Fri Feb 6 03:39:58 2004 From: list-omnigroup at fsck.net (Eugene Lee) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:46 2005 Subject: decrypting PDF files Message-ID: <20040206113958.GD2113@Dark-Age.local> I've locked out some users for EULA violations and discovered some encrypted PDFs. What recommendations does anyone have for decrypting them, especially OSX-native tools? Any suggestions are appreciated. -- Eugene Lee http://www.coxar.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/ From bsilver at chrononomicon.com Fri Feb 6 04:03:07 2004 From: bsilver at chrononomicon.com (Bart Silverstrim) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:46 2005 Subject: tibook display In-Reply-To: <20040206042347.88280.qmail@web20722.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040206042347.88280.qmail@web20722.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6CE18048-589C-11D8-ABC6-000A956D2452@chrononomicon.com> Usually I don't top post, but I just wanted to include the below for reference... Your problem was that after QTime tried playing with resolution, lines were appearing in your video (movie playback, system video, or both?), but the problem cleared up when you ran the disk check utility from the CD, correct? Just asking for reference in case I run into it...thanks! -Bart Silverstrim On Feb 5, 2004, at 11:23 PM, mac osX wrote: >>> I have a 1GHz tibook 15" (ATI 9000), with 10.2.8. >>> >>> I was seeing a quicktime movie in the net (movie >>> trailer) using safari, sudenly the display begans >> to >>> act weird, many h-lines, sometimes nothing can be >>> viewed. >>> >>> I belived it was a hardware problem, but in my >> other >>> os (linux) all work flawlessly. >> >> It is a hardware problem - I've seen it happen >> before when doing >> graphics intensive stuff, and the GPU heats up, that >> the GPU starts >> failing to redraw the screen correctly - thus the >> horizontal lines. >> Call up AppleCare, or take it to an AASP - they will >> have to send it in >> to have the MLB (main logic board) replaced. This >> is covered by >> warranty or the AppleCare Protection Plan. >> > Hi! > > It was not a hardware problem. > > I booted with the system DVD, ran the disk utility and > repair the osX partition. I encountered some troubles, > but fixed them. > > When the problem began, i just boot, conected to the > net, and saw the movie trailer, not more than 5 > minutes running. The tibook was still not hot, and had > any intensive graphics stuff. > > > Now all is fine again. > > Thanks to everybody. > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online. > http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-admin mailing list > MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin From npilch at speakeasy.org Fri Feb 6 10:15:12 2004 From: npilch at speakeasy.org (Nick Pilch) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:46 2005 Subject: Can't start MailService - 10.2 Message-ID: I wrote awhile ago about having problems after changing a server's IP address. I was pointed to the Apple article about having to use the ChangeIPAddress script in order to fix things up. By the time I got this information, I was most of the way done changing NetInfo entries myself and completed this task without the script. Logins were restored and all else seems to be functioning except for the Apple mail server. It bus errors on startup. All looks correct in the local netinfo node (/config/AppleMailServer). I removed the directories /Library/Logs/MailService and /Library/AppleMailServer to see if it was any old stuff in these directories that was causing a problem, but no change. Examining the logs shows that the error occurs just before the lines: Starting other server processes ... Starting Message Router ... ... etc. ... Any ideas? I'm loathe to run the ChangeIPAddress script because I've already done the work myself and I don't want to risk it. I examined the script thoroughly and determined that I made all the changes that it would have made (I could have missed something of course). If I can't fix this, I'd like to at least get sendmail to use another mail server on another host to send the mail out. Can anyone point me to the correct entry in the correct config file for doing this? Much obliged in advance for any help. -- Nick Pilch / npilch@speakeasy.org From npilch at speakeasy.org Fri Feb 6 10:28:04 2004 From: npilch at speakeasy.org (Nick Pilch) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:46 2005 Subject: 10.2 server mail problem In-Reply-To: <4AEC17DC-5872-11D8-94C4-00306544D642@mac.com> References: <4AEC17DC-5872-11D8-94C4-00306544D642@mac.com> Message-ID: For me, I get this message because I the Apple mail server is not running. By default it seems, sendmail is configured to use the local Apple mail server to send the mail out. Use Server Config to turn the mail server on. >On Thursday, February 5, 2004, at 09:08 PM, Richard Peskin wrote: > >>Can anyone point me to a possible cause of the following >>"connection refused by localhost" error? >>-------- >>Feb 6 00:03:45 server sendmail[554]: i116gsHV009264: to=www, >>delay=4+22:20:51, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=ams, pri=10922347, >>relay=localhost, dsn=4.0.0, stat=Deferred: Connection refused by >>localhost >>------- >>All incoming mail messages to a server running 10.2 server result >>in this error. > >The only reason to get this error is the failure of a connect >request due to a received RST from the remote endpoint, and that, >typically, occurs when there is no listener on the port for the >incoming SYN (initial TCP) packet. > >In english, there probably is not a mail server listening for >connections on 'localhost'. > >Regards, > >Justin > >-- >Justin C. Walker, Curmudgeon-At-Large * >Institute for General Semantics | Some people have a mental > | horizon of radius zero, and > | call it their point of view. > | -- David Hilbert >*--------------------------------------*-------------------------------* > >_______________________________________________ >MacOSX-admin mailing list >MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com >http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin -- Nick Pilch / npilch@speakeasy.org From npilch at speakeasy.org Fri Feb 6 10:33:10 2004 From: npilch at speakeasy.org (Nick Pilch) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:46 2005 Subject: Remote Home Dir's In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I was able to do this by just following the server admin documentation. It took some time to slog through it, though. If you have specific questions, I may be able to answer them. You will need to modify the client's NetInfo setup as well as changings the user's settings on the server. At 5:15 PM -0500 2/5/04, Ryan Clevenger wrote: > Ok I am a Noob here and am having some problems setting up remote home >directories. I really don't understand netinfo all that well. I have read >the online manuals apple offers but am still unable to successfully mount a >home directory on a client machine. Does anyone have any good resources that >I can read that will explain the steps I need to take in more detail so I >can figure this out? > > >Ryan Clevenger >Computer Support Specialist >North Point Community Church >Work - 678.892.5770 >Cell - 770.634.9816 >ryan.clevenger@northpoint.org > >_______________________________________________ >MacOSX-admin mailing list >MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com >http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin -- Nick Pilch / npilch@speakeasy.org From magill at mcgillsociety.org Fri Feb 6 11:20:57 2004 From: magill at mcgillsociety.org (William H. Magill) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:46 2005 Subject: 10.2 server mail problem In-Reply-To: <4AEC17DC-5872-11D8-94C4-00306544D642@mac.com> References: <4AEC17DC-5872-11D8-94C4-00306544D642@mac.com> Message-ID: <971D64CE-58D9-11D8-B066-000393768D2C@mcgillsociety.org> On 06 Feb, 2004, at 02:01, Justin Walker wrote: > On Thursday, February 5, 2004, at 09:08 PM, Richard Peskin wrote: >> Can anyone point me to a possible cause of the following "connection >> refused by localhost" error? >> -------- >> Feb 6 00:03:45 server sendmail[554]: i116gsHV009264: to=www, >> delay=4+22:20:51, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=ams, pri=10922347, >> relay=localhost, dsn=4.0.0, stat=Deferred: Connection refused by >> localhost >> ------- >> All incoming mail messages to a server running 10.2 server result in >> this error. > > The only reason to get this error is the failure of a connect request > due to a received RST from the remote endpoint, and that, typically, > occurs when there is no listener on the port for the incoming SYN > (initial TCP) packet. > > In english, there probably is not a mail server listening for > connections on 'localhost'. Is this really a "Remote" problem? Is it not the case that mail is not transferring between the local system and the MTA, also on the local system. There should be two instances of sendmail running on your local server. One listening externally on port 25 and one internally to "localhost." T.T.F.N. William H. Magill # Beige G3 - Rev A motherboard - 768 Meg # Flat-panel iMac (2.1) 800MHz - Super Drive - 768 Meg # PWS433a [Alpha 21164 Rev 7.2 (EV56)- 64 Meg]- Tru64 5.1a # XP1000 - [Alpha EV6] magill@mcgillsociety.org magill@acm.org magill@mac.com From jared at 23x.net Fri Feb 6 11:46:26 2004 From: jared at 23x.net (Jared ''Danger'' Earle) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:46 2005 Subject: Server Experiences In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <268CD686-58DD-11D8-840A-000A958F180A@23x.net> On 5 Feb 2004, at 05:13, William H. Magill wrote: > As others have pointed out -- OS X IS FreeBSD. Anything you can do > with FreeBSD, you can do with OS X ... Client or Server! This is, unfortunately, not so. If it were so, the DarwinPorts and Fink projects would not be needed. > In other words -- if you want to run a FreeBSD server, just run OS X > Client and install whatever is missing that you want. If you want to run a FreeBSD server, run a FreeBSD server. If you want to run a server that does loads of tasks, and those tasks are ones that will work on Mac OS X Client, then by all means do so on OSX. Thankfully, this is rather a lot of stuff. -- Jared Earle, Nightfall Games, jared@23x.net - http://www.23x.net "There is no SPORK" From rogerhoward at mac.com Fri Feb 6 11:47:56 2004 From: rogerhoward at mac.com (Roger Howard) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:46 2005 Subject: decrypting PDF files In-Reply-To: <20040206113958.GD2113@Dark-Age.local> References: <20040206113958.GD2113@Dark-Age.local> Message-ID: <5C113D54-58DD-11D8-B902-000393D5A2A2@mac.com> On Feb 6, 2004, at 3:39 AM, Eugene Lee wrote: > I've locked out some users for EULA violations and discovered some > encrypted PDFs. What recommendations does anyone have for decrypting > them, especially OSX-native tools? Any suggestions are appreciated. I don't follow - Did the users created encrypted PDFs on your system? If these are encrypted documents you own, don't you have the decrypted versions, or the proper key? Why do you need to crack a document? Are these former staff or employees of yours that created business documents and then locked them down out of spite? Otherwise just turning a user away (locked out from your server?) doesn't mean you can decrypted protected documents... The tools for decrypting them are built into Acrobat Reader, etc... but the tools for cracking them are not... one's not the same as the other. What am I missing? I sure hope there aren't easily available tools, though I know there were for older encrypted PDFs. Acrobat/PDF doesn't have any kind of key recovery capability AFAIK to allow legitimate decryption of documents you don't have the primary key for.. -R From jared at 23x.net Fri Feb 6 11:52:46 2004 From: jared at 23x.net (Jared ''Danger'' Earle) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:46 2005 Subject: Server Experiences In-Reply-To: References: <4021FBA5.5020801@diligence.com> Message-ID: <092CF7CB-58DE-11D8-840A-000A958F180A@23x.net> On 5 Feb 2004, at 20:52, Dan Shoop wrote: > Ah, there is a Ports. http://darwinports.opendarwin.org/ Close but no cigar. DP is TCL-based whereas pr0tz is shell. Ok, Jordan Hubbard is working on DP, but he's trying to make it better than /usr/ports thankfully. > Well then by extending that sort of logic Solaris is also not unix > either because some things are different... Dhan, you of all people know better than this. :-) It's more like saying "Solaris is not FreeBSD" not "Solaris is not UNIX". -- Jared Earle, Nightfall Games, jared@23x.net - http://www.23x.net "Watashi-wa shin no SUPORUKU desu" From listuser at magicmiles.com Fri Feb 6 11:54:55 2004 From: listuser at magicmiles.com (m i l e s) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:46 2005 Subject: .HTACCESS File not working under APACHE ? In-Reply-To: <971D64CE-58D9-11D8-B066-000393768D2C@mcgillsociety.org> References: <4AEC17DC-5872-11D8-94C4-00306544D642@mac.com> <971D64CE-58D9-11D8-B066-000393768D2C@mcgillsociety.org> Message-ID: Hi, Below are the instructions I recieved from a friend of mine to set up access control for the apache webserver for folder level access. I set it up....created the .htaccess file via PICO as the superuser....and it doesn't work. Can anyone tell me what Im missing ? PS: Yes the password file is sitting in the users directory that is mentioned below. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 1.) To set up a password protected folder, you first create a .htaccess file within the folder you want to protect, that contains the following: AuthType Basic AuthName your_realm AuthUserFile /Users/username/nameofpasswordfile require valid-user 2.) Replacing "your_realm" with the name for your protected realm and the AuthUserFile path with the path to the file that contains the username/password combinations. 3.) Then, to create/add users to the user/password file, use the following command line operation: htpasswd [-c] passwordfile username (the -c creates a new file if you need to do so) -- M i l e s President & Toolbox Architect MagicMiles Software (413) 374 - 5161 PO Box 414, Northampton, MA 01060 http://www.servicetoolbox.com/ http://www.workshoptoolbox.com/ http://www.healingartstoolbox.com/ http://www.artshoptoolbox.com/ We create content management systems for the rest of us, starting at $25.00 a month, includes domain registration, web hosting, email and webmail. Great for Yoga Teachers, Massage Therapists, Lawyers, Doctors, and any professional! From larkost at softhome.net Fri Feb 6 12:23:43 2004 From: larkost at softhome.net (Karl Kuehn) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:46 2005 Subject: .HTACCESS File not working under APACHE ? In-Reply-To: References: <4AEC17DC-5872-11D8-94C4-00306544D642@mac.com> <971D64CE-58D9-11D8-B066-000393768D2C@mcgillsociety.org> Message-ID: <5C24D8D0-58E2-11D8-8C31-003065D8C728@softhome.net> A few notes: You don't have to be the superuser to create .htaccess files, the file just has to be readable by www (or whatever apache runs as). It is probably better to have more restrictive access rights after that. Make sure that the password file is readable by www. If forget if it requires anything other than that. Check what apache is telling you: /var/log/httpd/error.log (or where ever your server places it) Make sure that you have the right to do access control in the directory. By default this is not among the access rights in DocumentRoot. Check httpd.conf for this. Karl Kuehn larkost@softhome.net On Feb 6, 2004, at 2:54 PM, m i l e s wrote: > Below are the instructions I recieved from a friend of mine > to set up access control for the apache webserver > for folder level access. > > I set it up....created the .htaccess file via PICO > as the superuser....and it doesn't work. > > Can anyone tell me what Im missing ? > > PS: Yes the password file is sitting in the users directory > that is mentioned below. From cthacker at casmail.ucsf.edu Fri Feb 6 15:15:31 2004 From: cthacker at casmail.ucsf.edu (chris thacker) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:46 2005 Subject: Snort setup and usage documenation? In-Reply-To: <77EAB784-7F18-11D6-B77B-0050E410B21A@mac.com> References: <77EAB784-7F18-11D6-B77B-0050E410B21A@mac.com> Message-ID: <5BE224C4-58FA-11D8-B188-0003931CE9CA@casmail.ucsf.edu> I've downloaded Snort_OSX_1.7.tgz and put the two files in their locations. Where can I get info on using Snort? Documentation, examples... What is up with HenWen? the downloads are offline. Thanks, Chris ------------------- Chris Thacker Campus Life Services - Information Systems University of California at San Francisco [ help desk ] 415 502-5511 [direct line] 415 514-337 From rpeskin at rlpcon.com Fri Feb 6 15:20:28 2004 From: rpeskin at rlpcon.com (Richard Peskin) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:47 2005 Subject: NetInfo under Panther Message-ID: <0D38EEB8-58FB-11D8-BF11-000A95A6858C@rlpcon.com> I have noticed that my NetInfo browser shows nothing under "services". But clearly some services are running (e.g. ssh, ftp). The particular machines involved are standalone, not using a NetInfo server. Shouldn't I see running services in the NetInfo browser? --dick peskin Richard L. Peskin, RLP Consulting, Londonderry, VT http://www.rlpcon.com http://www.caip.rutgers.edu/~peskin From rblove at airmail.net Fri Feb 6 15:27:47 2004 From: rblove at airmail.net (Robert Love) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:47 2005 Subject: Panther & Classic Install Message-ID: <125B616B-58FC-11D8-B204-000393C35A6A@airmail.net> I've been running Jaguar and now Panther without Mac OS 9.x happily for some time. Now I have an app that needs Classic. I didn't think it would be a big hassle to install this but I can't get it to work so I'm asking for help. First I tried booting with OS 9.0 in the CD drive while holding the C key. It wouldn't boot from the CD. Same results with the OS 9.1 disk in the drive. I found a OS 9.2.1 disk as part of the 10.1 release. I can boot with that in the drive. It doesn't see my main disk that has OSX installed. And when I try to run the install program it says it can't install on my computer. So next I tried booting into OSX and copying the System Folder from the OS 9.2.1 disk. Big mistake. Now when Classic launches it hangs with a screen that tells me I can't simply copy the files. So I've deleted (from the command line) the faulty System Folder on my internal disk. This is a dual 1G PowerPC G4 mirror door machine running 10.3.2 How do I successfully install a version of OS 9.x and run Classic? All help appreciated. From list-omnigroup at fsck.net Fri Feb 6 15:30:19 2004 From: list-omnigroup at fsck.net (Eugene Lee) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:47 2005 Subject: NetInfo under Panther In-Reply-To: <0D38EEB8-58FB-11D8-BF11-000A95A6858C@rlpcon.com> References: <0D38EEB8-58FB-11D8-BF11-000A95A6858C@rlpcon.com> Message-ID: <20040206233019.GA3824@Dark-Age.local> On Fri, Feb 06, 2004 at 06:20:28PM -0500, Richard Peskin wrote: : : I have noticed that my NetInfo browser shows nothing under "services". : But clearly some services are running (e.g. ssh, ftp). The particular : machines involved are standalone, not using a NetInfo server. : Shouldn't I see running services in the NetInfo browser? No, that is Windoze thinking. NetInfo is more like YP/NIS/LDAP. The best place to see which services are running is System Preferences -> Sharing -> Services. -- Eugene Lee http://www.coxar.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/ From v.kendon at imperial.ac.uk Fri Feb 6 15:35:03 2004 From: v.kendon at imperial.ac.uk (Viv Kendon) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:47 2005 Subject: .HTACCESS File not working under APACHE ? Message-ID: [Take 2 attempting to get this to post to list...] ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Viv Kendon To: m i l e s Cc: macosx-admin Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 22:09:19 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: .HTACCESS File not working under APACHE ? On Fri, 6 Feb 2004, m i l e s wrote: > Below are the instructions I recieved from a friend of mine > to set up access control for the apache webserver > for folder level access. > > I set it up....created the .htaccess file via PICO > as the superuser....and it doesn't work. You don't say _how_ it doesn't work. Does it still let you access the dir, or does it refuse to accept your user/password combo? I just finished setting this up on my system and the differences I notice are that the last line says Require user valid_user ^^^^ where "valid_user" is the username you put an entry in the password file for. Also I have your_realm with "" round it (but mine have spaces in). You may need to add an entry in httpd.conf specifying AllowOverride AuthConfig for that dir, and then reload httpd so it rereads the configuration. If it doesn't accept the user/password, then check the permissions of the passwd file -- must be readable by the httpd process (which doesn't run as root). Note that you'll also want to check that you have the right stuff in httpd.conf to prevent anyone grabbing the .htaccess and passwd files -- see www.apache.org for more info, their docs are very readable. -- Viv > Can anyone tell me what Im missing ? > > PS: Yes the password file is sitting in the users directory > that is mentioned below. > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > 1.) To set up a password protected folder, > you first create a .htaccess file within > the folder you want to protect, that > contains the following: > > AuthType Basic > AuthName your_realm > AuthUserFile /Users/username/nameofpasswordfile > require valid-user > > 2.) Replacing "your_realm" with the name for > your protected realm and the AuthUserFile > path with the path to the file that > contains the username/password combinations. > > 3.) Then, to create/add users to the user/password > file, use the following command line operation: > > htpasswd [-c] passwordfile username > (the -c creates a new file if you need to do so) > > -- > M i l e s > > President & Toolbox Architect > MagicMiles Software > (413) 374 - 5161 > PO Box 414, Northampton, MA 01060 > > http://www.servicetoolbox.com/ > http://www.workshoptoolbox.com/ > http://www.healingartstoolbox.com/ > http://www.artshoptoolbox.com/ > > We create content management systems for > the rest of us, starting at $25.00 a month, > includes domain registration, web hosting, > email and webmail. Great for Yoga Teachers, > Massage Therapists, Lawyers, Doctors, > and any professional! > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-admin mailing list > MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin > ------------------------------------------------ Dr Viv Kendon Viv.Kendon@ic.ac.uk QOLS tel: 020 7594 7746 Blackett Laboratory Imperial College London From seiryu at comcast.net Fri Feb 6 15:50:55 2004 From: seiryu at comcast.net (Nick Zitzmann) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:47 2005 Subject: Snort setup and usage documenation? In-Reply-To: <5BE224C4-58FA-11D8-B188-0003931CE9CA@casmail.ucsf.edu> References: <77EAB784-7F18-11D6-B77B-0050E410B21A@mac.com> <5BE224C4-58FA-11D8-B188-0003931CE9CA@casmail.ucsf.edu> Message-ID: <4E1CBB9A-58FF-11D8-9DF5-000A95BB5E12@comcast.net> On Feb 6, 2004, at 3:15 PM, chris thacker wrote: > I've downloaded Snort_OSX_1.7.tgz and put the two files in their > locations. Snort 1.7 is really, really ancient and shouldn't be used. Even if you got it to work, it has a few known exploits that could allow some h4X0r to compromise your Mac's security... > What is up with HenWen? the downloads are offline. "nickzman@mac.com" is an obsolete E-Mail address. The URL is and that site is online. Where did you receive the old URL? Nick Zitzmann S/MIME signature available upon request UNIX: Where /sbin/init is Job #1. From justin at mac.com Fri Feb 6 17:04:03 2004 From: justin at mac.com (Justin Walker) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:47 2005 Subject: 10.2 server mail problem In-Reply-To: <971D64CE-58D9-11D8-B066-000393768D2C@mcgillsociety.org> Message-ID: <853AD600-5909-11D8-A12A-00306544D642@mac.com> On Friday, February 6, 2004, at 11:20 AM, William H. Magill wrote: > On 06 Feb, 2004, at 02:01, Justin Walker wrote: >> On Thursday, February 5, 2004, at 09:08 PM, Richard Peskin wrote: >>> Can anyone point me to a possible cause of the following "connection >>> refused by localhost" error? [snip] >> In english, there probably is not a mail server listening for >> connections on 'localhost'. > > Is this really a "Remote" problem? Sorry; I didn't mean to imply that the problem was really remote, just that the problem was at the "server end", where there was no server listening. I should have been a bit more precise. > Is it not the case that mail is not transferring between the local > system and the MTA, also on the local system. I believe this is correct, although the OP did not provide a lot of details. > There should be two instances of sendmail running on your local > server. One listening externally on port 25 and one internally to > "localhost." I don't know enough about sendmail to know whether it binds to individual addresses, or to INADDR_ANY, but there should be listeners on port 25, with address information sufficient for connection to 'localhost.25'. Regards, Justin -- Justin C. Walker, Curmudgeon-At-Large * Institute for General Semantics | If you're not confused, | You're not paying attention *--------------------------------------*-------------------------------* From justin at vallon.homeip.net Fri Feb 6 19:32:14 2004 From: justin at vallon.homeip.net (Justin Vallon) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:47 2005 Subject: 10.2 server mail problem In-Reply-To: <853AD600-5909-11D8-A12A-00306544D642@mac.com> References: <853AD600-5909-11D8-A12A-00306544D642@mac.com> Message-ID: <390F2DE2-591E-11D8-9307-003065C2230E@vallon.homeip.net> I believe this can also happen when sendmail is throttling itself due to high system load. I believe it has one load-level above which it only queues mail, and another load level above which it refuses to accept mail. It may very well close its socket when refusing mail. ...if you are running sendmail in daemon mode... -Justin justin@vallon.homeip.net On Feb 6, 2004, at 8:04 PM, Justin Walker wrote: > > On Friday, February 6, 2004, at 11:20 AM, William H. Magill wrote: > >> On 06 Feb, 2004, at 02:01, Justin Walker wrote: >>> On Thursday, February 5, 2004, at 09:08 PM, Richard Peskin wrote: >>>> Can anyone point me to a possible cause of the following >>>> "connection refused by localhost" error? > [snip] >>> In english, there probably is not a mail server listening for >>> connections on 'localhost'. >> >> Is this really a "Remote" problem? > > Sorry; I didn't mean to imply that the problem was really remote, just > that the problem was at the "server end", where there was no server > listening. I should have been a bit more precise. > >> Is it not the case that mail is not transferring between the local >> system and the MTA, also on the local system. > > I believe this is correct, although the OP did not provide a lot of > details. > >> There should be two instances of sendmail running on your local >> server. One listening externally on port 25 and one internally to >> "localhost." > > I don't know enough about sendmail to know whether it binds to > individual addresses, or to INADDR_ANY, but there should be listeners > on port 25, with address information sufficient for connection to > 'localhost.25'. > > Regards, > > Justin > > -- > Justin C. Walker, Curmudgeon-At-Large * > Institute for General Semantics | If you're not confused, > | You're not paying attention > *-------------------------------------- > *-------------------------------* > > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-admin mailing list > MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin > > -Justin justin@vallon.homeip.net From lists at colorremedies.com Fri Feb 6 21:11:55 2004 From: lists at colorremedies.com (Chris Murphy) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:47 2005 Subject: Panther & Classic Install In-Reply-To: <125B616B-58FC-11D8-B204-000393C35A6A@airmail.net> References: <125B616B-58FC-11D8-B204-000393C35A6A@airmail.net> Message-ID: <2584328E-592C-11D8-9EE8-0003934CBC52@colorremedies.com> On Feb 6, 2004, at 4:27 PM, Robert Love wrote: > I've been running Jaguar and now Panther without Mac OS 9.x happily > for some time. Now I have an app that needs Classic. I didn't think > it would be a big hassle to install this but I can't get it to work so > I'm asking for help. > > First I tried booting with OS 9.0 in the CD drive while holding the C > key. It wouldn't boot from the CD. Same results with the OS 9.1 disk > in the drive. > > I found a OS 9.2.1 disk as part of the 10.1 release. I can boot with > that in the drive. It doesn't see my main disk that has OSX > installed. And when I try to run the install program it says it can't > install on my computer. > > So next I tried booting into OSX and copying the System Folder from > the OS 9.2.1 disk. Big mistake. Now when Classic launches it hangs > with a screen that tells me I can't simply copy the files. So I've > deleted (from the command line) the faulty System Folder on my > internal disk. > > This is a dual 1G PowerPC G4 mirror door machine running 10.3.2 How > do I successfully install a version of OS 9.x and run Classic? Didn't a version of 9.2 come with the machine? If not a bootable CD (I forget when they stopped shipping those) there used to be a pkg file that would install it for your specific model machine only. Otherwise you're going to need to find an existing 9.1 (or greater) system folder other than on a CD, copy it and use that to boot from. To get a clean system you can then run installers to do a clean install of OS 9 if you want. Otherwise, I think it's $19.95 to get OS 9 from Apple. Chris Murphy Color Remedies (TM) www.colorremedies.com/realworldcolor --------------------------------------------------------- Co-author "Real World Color Management" Published by PeachPit Press (ISBN 0-201-77340-6) From atlunde at panix.com Fri Feb 6 21:24:38 2004 From: atlunde at panix.com (Albert Lunde) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:47 2005 Subject: .HTACCESS File not working under APACHE ? In-Reply-To: <5C24D8D0-58E2-11D8-8C31-003065D8C728@softhome.net> References: <4AEC17DC-5872-11D8-94C4-00306544D642@mac.com> <971D64CE-58D9-11D8-B066-000393768D2C@mcgillsociety.org> <5C24D8D0-58E2-11D8-8C31-003065D8C728@softhome.net> Message-ID: <20040207052438.GA27145@panix.com> More comments re .htaccess files not working: As noted there are a couple of configuration options that need to be set the right way to allow the use of .htaccess files. See the documentation for "AllowOverride","Options","AccessFileName" and look for any that exist in the configuration. Any syntax error in a .htaccess file will act as an unconditional deny for the directory. Messages to a web client are intentionally vague; read the error log on the server. Creating a .htaccess file with the wrong end-of-line characters may cause it to fail. Also some editors can create a final line without a trailing newline character: in that case the last line may be ignored. I always end Apache configuration files with a comment line for that reason. On Unix "od -xc filename" will dump a file with hex and symbolic representations of characters, you can use that to check the end-of-line format (it should be "\n"). Trust the Apache documentation over examples you may find on the net; the syntax of .htaccess files has changed in subtle ways over time. Best practice for password files is probably to put them outside the web document tree, in a directory owned by root and readable only by root and the group the web server runs under. (Don't use "nobody", use a dedicated group.) (A strict configuration can deny access to all directories not explictly allowed, even if something is referenced in an alias or a symlink.) From lists at colorremedies.com Sat Feb 7 00:07:20 2004 From: lists at colorremedies.com (Chris Murphy) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:47 2005 Subject: printer deviceURI=file:///dev/null Message-ID: I've been printing all day just fine and came to an itinerary I needed to print out and the job goes and then nothing. The printer's application icon appears in the dock with a red ! in it. So I click on it and the job is in the queue but the queue is stopped. I click to start the queue. It pauses saying it's opening a printer connection and then the queue stops. I think the CUPS web interface provides the clue as to why. When I click on Manage Printers, I get a list of the connected printers, and each one has a "Device URI" entry. For AdobePDF it's: Device URI: pdf://distiller/ For a "fake" laser printer so I can print PostScript files it's: Device URI: http://192.168.0.44:631/ipp/DDAPv3 For this pesky inkjet printer it's: Device URI: file:///dev/null The printer is an Epson 2200 using the Panther 1.66 driver (this is 10.3.2 I'm running). I delete the printer from Printer Setup Utility and readd it. But the next one also has Device URI set to file:///dev/nul. So I pitch all of the Epson drivers and reinstall them from the CD, and readd the printer. Same friggin problem. I can add it as a CUPS printer however, and it gets an entry: Device URI: usb://EPSON/Stylus%20Photo%202200? Using this printer entry in the print window, I can print fine. Obviously it's not the printer or the connection to the printer, or any of the Epson software itself. Somewhere there is a bogus settings file, or system component that is misdirecting the setup and causing the Device URI to be improperly set so print jobs fail. Any suggestions? Chris Murphy Color Remedies (TM) www.colorremedies.com/realworldcolor --------------------------------------------------------- Co-author "Real World Color Management" Published by PeachPit Press (ISBN 0-201-77340-6) From lists at colorremedies.com Sat Feb 7 00:34:29 2004 From: lists at colorremedies.com (Chris Murphy) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:47 2005 Subject: printer deviceURI=file:///dev/null Message-ID: <7260791E-5948-11D8-8534-0003934CBC52@colorremedies.com> > For this pesky inkjet printer it's: > Device URI: file:///dev/null Apparently for this 2200, this is normal. I just plugged it into a laptop running 10.3.2 and it gets automatically added; and the CUPS web interface lists the same Device URI: file:///dev/null business - and I can print to it just fine. I've delete the CUPS and native versions from the desktop machine, and then reconnected USB. The printer gets automatically added, but I still can't print. The queue stops itself. The CUPS error_log contains a bogus complaint as to why the jobs keep failing: I [07/Feb/2004:01:25:20 -0700] Adding start banner page "none" to job 3. I [07/Feb/2004:01:25:20 -0700] Adding end banner page "none" to job 3. I [07/Feb/2004:01:25:20 -0700] Job 3 queued on 'Stylus_Photo_2200' by 'chris'. I [07/Feb/2004:01:25:20 -0700] Started filter /System/Library/Printers/Libraries/PrintJobMgr/Contents/MacOS/ PrintJobMgr (PID 489) for job 3. E [07/Feb/2004:01:25:21 -0700] [Job 3] fatal: The ink cartridge combination currently installed in the printer is different from the one installed when the printer was selected in Print Center. Delete the printer from the Printer List in Print Center and then add it again. E [07/Feb/2004:01:25:22 -0700] [Job 3] fatal: The ink cartridge combination currently installed in the printer is different from the one installed when the printer was selected in Print Center. Delete the printer from the Printer List in Print Center and then add it again. I [07/Feb/2004:01:25:22 -0700] [Job 3] fatal: The ink cartridge combination currently installed in the printer is different from the one installed when the printer was selected in Print Center. Delete the printer from the Printer List in Print Center and then add it again. I [07/Feb/2004:01:25:22 -0700] Saving printers.conf... The complaint is bogus for two reasons: 1.) I've already done that, including dumping the entire /Library/Printers/EPSON folder and reinstalling it; and 2.) it's the same damn ink cartridge. So something has gone screwy, but I'd like to avoid having to do a clean install to fix this problem if anyone has any suggestions. Chris Murphy Color Remedies (TM) www.colorremedies.com/realworldcolor --------------------------------------------------------- Co-author "Real World Color Management" Published by PeachPit Press (ISBN 0-201-77340-6) From johannes at connected.ch Sat Feb 7 06:28:32 2004 From: johannes at connected.ch (Johannes Vetsch) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:47 2005 Subject: Panther & Classic Install In-Reply-To: <2584328E-592C-11D8-9EE8-0003934CBC52@colorremedies.com> Message-ID: Am Samstag, 07.02.04, um 06:11 Uhr (Europe/Berlin) schrieb Chris Murphy: > > On Feb 6, 2004, at 4:27 PM, Robert Love wrote: > >> I've been running Jaguar and now Panther without Mac OS 9.x happily >> for some time. Now I have an app that needs Classic. I didn't think >> it would be a big hassle to install this but I can't get it to work >> so I'm asking for help. >> >> First I tried booting with OS 9.0 in the CD drive while holding the C >> key. It wouldn't boot from the CD. Same results with the OS 9.1 >> disk in the drive. you probably need at least 9.2 for your G4 >> >> I found a OS 9.2.1 disk as part of the 10.1 release. It's update only, (at least mine). >> I can boot with that in the drive. It doesn't see my main disk that >> has OSX installed. Did you check the "Install OS 9 drivers" when you formatted your drive last time under OS X? Otherwise it isn't mountable under OS 9 (but will work in classic mode. See under Disk Utilitues) >> And when I try to run the install program it says it can't install on >> my computer. >> >> So next I tried booting into OSX and copying the System Folder from >> the OS 9.2.1 disk. This isn't possible since a long time (also under OS 9) it's a also a very! reduced system missing most of the extensions and control panels... >> Big mistake. Now when Classic launches it hangs with a screen that >> tells me I can't simply copy the files. So I've deleted (from the >> command line) the faulty System Folder on my internal disk. >> >> This is a dual 1G PowerPC G4 mirror door machine running 10.3.2 How >> do I successfully install a version of OS 9.x and run Classic? > [1] > Didn't a version of 9.2 come with the machine? If not a bootable CD (I > forget when they stopped shipping those) there used to be a pkg file > that would install it for your specific model machine only. > [2] > Otherwise you're going to need to find an existing 9.1 (or greater) > system folder other than on a CD, copy it and use that to boot from. > To get a clean system you can then run installers to do a clean > install of OS 9 if you want. > > Otherwise, I think it's $19.95 to get OS 9 from Apple. If the OS 9 drivers aren't installed on your internal drive you have to do these procedures over an external FW drive in any case (without reformatting your internal drive): [1] boot from cd (OS 9.2.x) install it on the external drive -> restart under 10.3 copy System Folder and Applications (OS 9) to internal drive [2]Copy the 9.1 folder to the FW drive -> boot and update from your 9.2.1 CD -> (update to 9.2.2) -> then same as [1] johannes PS: or get a copy of OS 9.2.2 systemfolder on CD from someone next door... > > Chris Murphy > Color Remedies (TM) > www.colorremedies.com/realworldcolor > --------------------------------------------------------- > Co-author "Real World Color Management" > Published by PeachPit Press (ISBN 0-201-77340-6) > > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-admin mailing list > MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin > From rblove at airmail.net Sat Feb 7 10:06:49 2004 From: rblove at airmail.net (Robert Love) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:47 2005 Subject: Panther & Classic Install In-Reply-To: <2584328E-592C-11D8-9EE8-0003934CBC52@colorremedies.com> References: <125B616B-58FC-11D8-B204-000393C35A6A@airmail.net> <2584328E-592C-11D8-9EE8-0003934CBC52@colorremedies.com> Message-ID: <66873EE7-5998-11D8-B204-000393C35A6A@airmail.net> On Feb 6, 2004, at 11:11 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: > > Didn't a version of 9.2 come with the machine? Ah, the "software restore". I forgot about those. It did the trick. I can now run Classic. From rpeskin at rlpcon.com Sat Feb 7 21:24:00 2004 From: rpeskin at rlpcon.com (Richard Peskin) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:47 2005 Subject: NetInfo under Panther Message-ID: <0045F1AA-59F7-11D8-9F47-000A95A6858C@rlpcon.com> On Feb 7, 2004, at 3:00 PM, Eugene Lee wrote: > No, that is Windoze thinking. NetInfo is more like YP/NIS/LDAP. > > The best place to see which services are running is System Preferences > -> Sharing -> Services. > That's kind of limited; Sharing Prefs doesn't show a lot of the services that might be there. If I want to see these in NetInfo's browser should I just import the /etc/services into NetInfo? Richard L. Peskin, RLP Consulting, Londonderry, VT http://www.rlpcon.com http://www.caip.rutgers.edu/~peskin From justin at mac.com Sat Feb 7 21:49:50 2004 From: justin at mac.com (Justin Walker) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:47 2005 Subject: NetInfo under Panther In-Reply-To: <0045F1AA-59F7-11D8-9F47-000A95A6858C@rlpcon.com> Message-ID: <9C02FDC2-59FA-11D8-9286-00306544D642@mac.com> On Saturday, February 7, 2004, at 09:24 PM, Richard Peskin wrote: > On Feb 7, 2004, at 3:00 PM, Eugene Lee wrote: > >> No, that is Windoze thinking. NetInfo is more like YP/NIS/LDAP. >> >> The best place to see which services are running is System Preferences >> -> Sharing -> Services. >> > That's kind of limited; Sharing Prefs doesn't show a lot of the > services that might be there. If I want to see these in NetInfo's > browser should I just import the /etc/services into NetInfo? Sharing Prefs shows the services it knows about, and knows how to control. Lookupd can take its information from a number of sources (as described in lookupd's man page). I believe that since 10.2, the information traditionally kept in /etc/services has reverted to that file, and it is no longer kept in netinfo. You could import the services into netinfo, but that wouldn't do much (yes, that would let you see them in the browser :-}). Lookupd will still look in the Flat File for its data, unless you change its configuration. To answer your original question, no, you should not see "running services" in the browser. Netinfo doesn't know what is going on in your system. It is *only* a back-end database for lookupd (and possibly other services). It doesn't know what it's storing, or for what purpose. To get an idea of what network services are active on your system, your best bet is 'lsof'. To see what programs are actually attached to those open ports, the "-i" flag will list the "network descriptors" open in each process in the system (when run as 'root'). Alternatives include the Network Utililty and nmap. These can probe the addresses attached to your system and look for open TCP ports. Matching the port numbers found against /etc/services will give you some idea of what is running, but that is only as good as the list in the file. Hope that helps. Regards, Justin -- Justin C. Walker, Curmudgeon-At-Large * Institute for General Semantics | Men are from Earth. | Women are from Earth. | Deal with it. *--------------------------------------*-------------------------------* From root at nimug.org Sun Feb 8 04:50:49 2004 From: root at nimug.org (root@nimug.org) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:47 2005 Subject: Airport now flaky? Where's the log!!!! Message-ID: <6BC85771-5A35-11D8-A36A-000A95DC1742@nimug.org> Since upgrading to Panther I've been noticing that my airport connection is a lot more flaky than it ever was. It's culminated this morning with me unable to connect to my Nortel 802.11b access point with my 15" AlBook while my wife surfs easily with her 12" iBook/500. I'm wondering if this is a b/g incompatibility caused by something in Panther as it worked okay for the brief time I used Jaguar. I can work around it because I own half a dozen access points and some of them work fine which points a finger at the Nortel access point. The ANNOYING thing is that there's just this error dialog. "There was an error connecting to the network "AP11"" and nothing else. No sign of logs, errors, crash logs. Nothing in the system log and nothing seems to have changed in /var/log Problems I can workaround but a lack of logging. Well, that's SO "Classic", so "Mac OS 9" or "System 7".... M USPCA Charity Gala Night: http://www.nimug.org/ A night of fine dining, dancing and entertainment! You can email uspca@nimug.org for more information. For ticket sales please ring their National Helpline on 02890 814242. From rpeskin at rlpcon.com Sun Feb 8 12:37:46 2004 From: rpeskin at rlpcon.com (Richard Peskin) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:47 2005 Subject: AMS error Message-ID: When trying to send internal (one user to another) mail on a Jaguar server I get the following error: Mams: Warning: first argument in [IPC] mailer must be TCP or FILE Can anyone help interpret this? thanks, --dick peskin ________________________________________________________ The country didn't elect Bush in 2000 and certainly shouldn't elect him in 2004. Support Howard Dean for President. Info: www.DeanForAmerica.com ________________________________________________________ Richard L. Peskin, RLP Consulting, Londonderry, VT http://www.rlpcon.com http://www.caip.rutgers.edu/~peskin From justin at mac.com Sun Feb 8 12:48:56 2004 From: justin at mac.com (Justin Walker) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:47 2005 Subject: AMS error In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <36BE6F45-5A78-11D8-9286-00306544D642@mac.com> On Sunday, February 8, 2004, at 12:37 PM, Richard Peskin wrote: > When trying to send internal (one user to another) mail on a Jaguar > server I get the following error: > Mams: Warning: first argument in [IPC] mailer must be TCP or FILE > Can anyone help interpret this? Google is your friend :-} The first response in the search for "Warning: first argument in [IPC] mailer must be TCP or FILE" is this link. Perhaps it will help, or spur you on to greater depths :-} Cheers, Justin -- Justin C. Walker, Curmudgeon-At-Large * Institute for General Semantics | If you're not confused, | You're not paying attention *--------------------------------------*-------------------------------* From gsmith at westmont.edu Sun Feb 8 11:13:58 2004 From: gsmith at westmont.edu (Greg Smith) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:47 2005 Subject: Windows users authenticated with LDAP can't mount Message-ID: I have osxs 10.3 and have set up share points From other computers I can access the share point as a local user with ftp, afp, and smb. When I try to connect as a LDAP user I can still access with ftp and afp, but not with smb. Is anyone able access to smb shares as LDAP users? How? Greg From eric at EMIEng.com Sun Feb 8 06:54:18 2004 From: eric at EMIEng.com (Eric Marshall) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:47 2005 Subject: account stuck with no login password Message-ID: I'm running 10.3.2, and I needed to debug a problem on one of the accounts on my iMac, so I used NetInfo Manager to remove the password from the account. I was then able to log into the account with no password, as I was expecting. The problem is that I can't get a new login password for the account saved. Using the Accounts panel in System Preferences, I have the owner of the account enter a new password and everything seems to work, but trying to log back into the account only works with no password. I'm not too knowledgeable about keychain stuff, and I suspect this is related to the problem. I'd appreciate any explanation of what's going on. Thanks in advance. From rpeskin at rlpcon.com Sun Feb 8 16:50:30 2004 From: rpeskin at rlpcon.com (Richard Peskin) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:47 2005 Subject: Jaguar server mail problem Message-ID: One of our servers (running 10.2 server on an Xserve) is having mail delivery problems. Out going mail works correctly, but incoming mail is being held in the MailStore ( /Library/AppleMailService/AppleMail/MailStore). The "local" (mail between users logged in the the server) works correctly. The only clue I have to the problem is that the mail.log shows "Connection refused by localhost". Sendmail is running on the server. There is an external DNS service used to resolve the server's external IP address (static IP address from a DSL provider) and an MX record is used to point server as the mail server for the domain. Do I need a specific "FEATURE" in config.mc file to explicitly identify relay by localhost? Does the MX record have to explicitly specify a port number (25)? Should I be looking elsewhere, say the MailService configuration? thanks, --dick peskin Richard L. Peskin, RLP Consulting, Londonderry, VT http://www.rlpcon.com http://www.caip.rutgers.edu/~peskin From bsilver at chrononomicon.com Sun Feb 8 17:49:56 2004 From: bsilver at chrononomicon.com (Bart Silverstrim) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:47 2005 Subject: Panther & Classic Install In-Reply-To: <125B616B-58FC-11D8-B204-000393C35A6A@airmail.net> References: <125B616B-58FC-11D8-B204-000393C35A6A@airmail.net> Message-ID: <43204C2C-5AA2-11D8-A0AA-000A956D2452@chrononomicon.com> I had a similar problem...I clean installed OS X 10.3 on an iBook after running 10.2 on it, and in the process forgot that a clean install wipes the system folder for classic mode. The fix for me? The office had purchased an iMac that had 10.2 installed on it out of box and the 10.3 CD was in the box to upgrade it. Before the supervisor did that, I put in a CDR, copied the virgin copy of the OS 9 system folder and burned the CD. Drag and dropped it to my iBook, tucked away the CD with my install disks in case I would need to do that after a reinstall. You may have to alter permissions afterwards, but the solution should be to just copy a clean system folder over with a usable version and then tell Classic mode to use that system folder. -Bart On Feb 6, 2004, at 6:27 PM, Robert Love wrote: > I've been running Jaguar and now Panther without Mac OS 9.x happily > for some time. Now I have an app that needs Classic. I didn't think > it would be a big hassle to install this but I can't get it to work so > I'm asking for help. > > First I tried booting with OS 9.0 in the CD drive while holding the C > key. It wouldn't boot from the CD. Same results with the OS 9.1 disk > in the drive. > > I found a OS 9.2.1 disk as part of the 10.1 release. I can boot with > that in the drive. It doesn't see my main disk that has OSX > installed. And when I try to run the install program it says it can't > install on my computer. > > So next I tried booting into OSX and copying the System Folder from > the OS 9.2.1 disk. Big mistake. Now when Classic launches it hangs > with a screen that tells me I can't simply copy the files. So I've > deleted (from the command line) the faulty System Folder on my > internal disk. > > This is a dual 1G PowerPC G4 mirror door machine running 10.3.2 How > do I successfully install a version of OS 9.x and run Classic? > > All help appreciated. > > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-admin mailing list > MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin From shoop at iwiring.net Sun Feb 8 21:47:00 2004 From: shoop at iwiring.net (Dan Shoop) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:47 2005 Subject: Snort setup and usage documenation? In-Reply-To: <5BE224C4-58FA-11D8-B188-0003931CE9CA@casmail.ucsf.edu> References: <77EAB784-7F18-11D6-B77B-0050E410B21A@mac.com> <5BE224C4-58FA-11D8-B188-0003931CE9CA@casmail.ucsf.edu> Message-ID: At 3:15 PM -0800 2/6/04, chris thacker wrote: >I've downloaded Snort_OSX_1.7.tgz and put the two files in their locations. > >Where can I get info on using Snort? Documentation, examples... There's good info from O'Reilly and Associates. http://catsearch.atomz.com/search/catsearch/?sp-a=sp1000a5a9&sp-f=ISO-8859-1&sp-t=cat_search&sp-q=snort&search=Go >What is up with HenWen? the downloads are offline. It's an attempt to put a Aqua GUI interface to snort. -- -dhan ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Dan Shoop shoop@iwiring.net Consulting Internet Architect shoop@mac.com AIM: iWiring pgp key fingerprint: FAC0 9434 B5A5 24A8 D0AF 12B1 7840 3BE7 3736 DE0B iWiring designs and supports Internet systems and networks based on Mac OS X, unix(tm), and Open Source applications technologies and offers 24x7, guaranteed support to registered clients. How can we help? From shoop at iwiring.net Sun Feb 8 22:18:10 2004 From: shoop at iwiring.net (Dan Shoop) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:47 2005 Subject: Server Experiences In-Reply-To: <092CF7CB-58DE-11D8-840A-000A958F180A@23x.net> References: <4021FBA5.5020801@diligence.com> <092CF7CB-58DE-11D8-840A-000A958F180A@23x.net> Message-ID: At 8:52 PM +0100 2/6/04, Jared ''Danger'' Earle wrote: >On 5 Feb 2004, at 20:52, Dan Shoop wrote: >>Ah, there is a Ports. http://darwinports.opendarwin.org/ > >Close but no cigar. DP is TCL-based whereas pr0tz is shell. Ok, >Jordan Hubbard is working on DP, but he's trying to make it better >than /usr/ports thankfully. Not the same ports, but it is a BSD-esque ports collection. >>Well then by extending that sort of logic Solaris is also not unix >>either because some things are different... > >Dhan, you of all people know better than this. :-) > >It's more like saying "Solaris is not FreeBSD" not "Solaris is not UNIX". Actually I meant both. If you think Solaris isn't unix because it uses weird directory structures (what's /opt?), odd enhancements (NIS+), strange command differences (what do you mean ps -aux doesn't work) then you may think it's not unix. But it would clearly not be FreeBSD! -- -dhan ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Dan Shoop shoop@iwiring.net Consulting Internet Architect shoop@mac.com AIM: iWiring pgp key fingerprint: FAC0 9434 B5A5 24A8 D0AF 12B1 7840 3BE7 3736 DE0B iWiring designs and supports Internet systems and networks based on Mac OS X, unix(tm), and Open Source applications technologies and offers 24x7, guaranteed support to registered clients. How can we help? From chad+macosx at objectwerks.com Mon Feb 9 00:40:55 2004 From: chad+macosx at objectwerks.com (Chad Leigh -- ObjectWerks Inc.) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:47 2005 Subject: ericsson t616 modem script In-Reply-To: References: <9EE7EDFC-546A-11D8-AEA5-003065A70D30@objectwerks.com> <867FAA51-5471-11D8-9450-0003934CBC52@colorremedies.com> <9B3722A8-5481-11D8-9450-0003934CBC52@colorremedies.com> Message-ID: On Feb 1, 2004, at 12:25 AM, Leon Towns-von Stauber wrote: >>> The T-Mobile unlimited Internet service is an extra $5 a month, >>> and works well with Mac OS X over Bluetooth. It's pretty slick >>> to access the Internet from a wireless laptop through a wireless >>> phone anywhere within cell coverage. >> >> Is it GPRS? $5 a month? That's amazing. > > Yeah. When I first checked it out in 2001, there was some per-KB > charge that would've made it ridiculous for general Internet > usage, even if you could get it to work for that. Later it was > offered as part of some bundled deal with minutes, but now it's > a simple $5 add-on to any voice plan. (There's a $10 add-on as > well, that supposedly offers corporate email access, but the $5 > Unlimited t-zones is all you need for general Internet access.) > Does this allow things like "ssh" and stuff or just mail and web? I ask since I just added the $5 "unlimited t-zones" and I can connect through my t68i and do web and (I think) mail (I haven't run mail.app yet but I can telnet to port 25 on my mail server and talk smtp ok). However port 22 access for ssh is blocked. I tried looking at the link given earlier (and also the UK one) and have tried the settings there and that is what works but with ssh blocked. I tried putting in internet2.voicestream.com instead of wap.voicestream.com (from another site) but that won't connect with any CID script... I get "GPRS parameters not supported" on my phone when I do that. Any ideas? Thanks Chad From robertcerny at mac.com Mon Feb 9 01:21:10 2004 From: robertcerny at mac.com (Robert Cerny) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:47 2005 Subject: compiling dbmail Message-ID: <4CA6D7DC-5AE1-11D8-BC9E-000A9571A4D4@mac.com> Hi folks, it looks like somebody already succeeded in compiling dbmail on osx... I'm trying to get it to work but still fighting with one problem - ld. I resolved a few issues already but stopped on this one: gcc -g -O2 -W -Wall -Wpointer-arith -Wstrict-prototypes -O2 -o dbmail-smtp -L'/usr/local/lib' -lmysqlclient -lz -lm config.o debug.o list.o dbmd5.o md5.o db.o misc.o mime.o header.o pipe.o bounce.o forward.o main.o mysql/libmysqldbmail.a sort/libsortdbmail.a auth/libauthdbmail.a ld: warning prebinding disabled because of undefined symbols ld: Undefined symbols: _mysql_affected_rows _mysql_close _mysql_data_seek _mysql_error _mysql_fetch_lengths _mysql_fetch_row _mysql_free_result _mysql_init _mysql_insert_id _mysql_num_fields _mysql_num_rows _mysql_ping _mysql_real_connect _mysql_real_escape_string _mysql_real_query _mysql_store_result make[2]: *** [dbmail-smtp] Error 1 make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 make: *** [all-recursive-am] Error 2 I'm sure that mysqlclient.a is in the /usr/local/lib location.... Any ideas? Robert From hanx at mac.com Mon Feb 9 01:43:51 2004 From: hanx at mac.com (Hanx) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:47 2005 Subject: Finder oddity In-Reply-To: <59D29636-12CB-11D8-84DA-000A956D2452@chrononomicon.com> References: <59D29636-12CB-11D8-84DA-000A956D2452@chrononomicon.com> Message-ID: <77791C98-5AE4-11D8-8CF2-00039388DB4A@mac.com> On 09 Nov 2003, at 23:42, Bart Silverstrim wrote: > Don't recall hearing of what caused it or what the fix was other than > an upgrade? > > (and thank you for confirming that other people had heard of the > problem at least...I was beginning to think something was corrupted on > my system because I couldn't find anyone who even vaguely recalled > hearing about a problem like this!) I have encountered same problem too, on pre-Panther systems and with network volumes/users. Not only gibberish but also blank lines would appear in the user pop-up list. I think they fixed this part of Finder Get Info in Panther. Felt like being sweared at by the Mac.. -- Regards, ../Hanx From magill at mcgillsociety.org Mon Feb 9 07:10:19 2004 From: magill at mcgillsociety.org (William H. Magill) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:47 2005 Subject: Server Experiences In-Reply-To: References: <4021FBA5.5020801@diligence.com> <092CF7CB-58DE-11D8-840A-000A958F180A@23x.net> Message-ID: <1300825A-5B12-11D8-8AA1-000393768D2C@mcgillsociety.org> On 09 Feb, 2004, at 01:18, Dan Shoop wrote: > At 8:52 PM +0100 2/6/04, Jared ''Danger'' Earle wrote: >> Dhan, you of all people know better than this. :-) >> >> It's more like saying "Solaris is not FreeBSD" not "Solaris is not >> UNIX". > > Actually I meant both. > > If you think Solaris isn't unix because it uses weird directory > structures (what's /opt?), odd enhancements (NIS+), strange command > differences (what do you mean ps -aux doesn't work) then you may think > it's not unix. > > But it would clearly not be FreeBSD! Actually, ... the only Unix is "Tru64 Unix(tm)" [formerly known as "Digital Unix(tm)"]. It's the only "*nix" with Unix(tm) in its name. All of the rest -- AIX, Solaris, HP-UX, FreeBSD, etc. are NOT Unix(tm) -- they do NOT use the word Unix(tm) in their name because they are not qualified to do so. Am I being facetious? Only partially. ... Unix(tm) is a Brand-name, a Trademark and a Test suite. Only those products which have gone through the certification process (and paid the fees) can be called Unix(tm). Just ask SCO. And besides EVERYBODY knows that only things with micro-kernels qualify as Unix(tm). :) T.T.F.N. William H. Magill # Beige G3 - Rev A motherboard - 768 Meg # Flat-panel iMac (2.1) 800MHz - Super Drive - 768 Meg # PWS433a [Alpha 21164 Rev 7.2 (EV56)- 64 Meg]- Tru64 5.1a # XP1000 - [Alpha EV6] magill@mcgillsociety.org magill@acm.org magill@mac.com From magill at mcgillsociety.org Mon Feb 9 07:13:17 2004 From: magill at mcgillsociety.org (William H. Magill) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:47 2005 Subject: account stuck with no login password In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7D5130EE-5B12-11D8-8AA1-000393768D2C@mcgillsociety.org> On 08 Feb, 2004, at 09:54, Eric Marshall wrote: > I'm running 10.3.2, and I needed to debug a problem on one > of the accounts on my iMac, so I used NetInfo Manager to remove > the password from the account. I was then able to log into the > account with no password, as I was expecting. The problem is that > I can't get a new login password for the account saved. Using > the Accounts panel in System Preferences, I have the owner of > the account enter a new password and everything seems to work, > but trying to log back into the account only works with no password. > I'm not too knowledgeable about keychain stuff, and I suspect > this is related to the problem. I'd appreciate any explanation > of what's going on. You probably deleted the password "property" in Netinfo for that account instead of the "Value." Hence, with no "property" the password "value" cannot be stored. Re-create the "password property" for that account via Netinfo Manager. T.T.F.N. William H. Magill # Beige G3 - Rev A motherboard - 768 Meg # Flat-panel iMac (2.1) 800MHz - Super Drive - 768 Meg # PWS433a [Alpha 21164 Rev 7.2 (EV56)- 64 Meg]- Tru64 5.1a # XP1000 - [Alpha EV6] magill@mcgillsociety.org magill@acm.org magill@mac.com From root at nimug.org Mon Feb 9 07:36:01 2004 From: root at nimug.org (root@nimug.org) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:47 2005 Subject: Server Experiences In-Reply-To: <1300825A-5B12-11D8-8AA1-000393768D2C@mcgillsociety.org> References: <4021FBA5.5020801@diligence.com> <092CF7CB-58DE-11D8-840A-000A958F180A@23x.net> <1300825A-5B12-11D8-8AA1-000393768D2C@mcgillsociety.org> Message-ID: On 9 Feb 2004, at 15:10, William H. Magill wrote: >> >> But it would clearly not be FreeBSD! > > Actually, > > ... the only Unix is "Tru64 Unix(tm)" [formerly known as "Digital > Unix(tm)"]. > It's the only "*nix" with Unix(tm) in its name. > All of the rest -- AIX, Solaris, HP-UX, FreeBSD, etc. are NOT Unix(tm) > -- they do NOT use the word Unix(tm) in their name because they are > not qualified to do so. Well, that's not quite true. http://www.opengroup.org/openbrand/register/ Certainly lists Solaris 7-9, AIX and Tru64 UNIX as certified with the UNIx 98 spec. HP-UX is certified with UNIX 95. M USPCA Charity Gala Night: http://www.nimug.org/ A night of fine dining, dancing and entertainment! You can email uspca@nimug.org for more information. For ticket sales please ring their National Helpline on 02890 814242. From eric at EMIEng.com Mon Feb 9 10:32:16 2004 From: eric at EMIEng.com (Eric Marshall) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:47 2005 Subject: account stuck with no login password In-Reply-To: <7D5130EE-5B12-11D8-8AA1-000393768D2C@mcgillsociety.org> References: <7D5130EE-5B12-11D8-8AA1-000393768D2C@mcgillsociety.org> Message-ID: <497037E2-5B2E-11D8-BB77-000393666600@EMIEng.com> The "passwd" property is still there, just no value. I forgot to mention that I can't change the password using /usr/bin/passwd either. It just doesn't think the empty password is valid. > On Feb 9, 2004, at 10:13 AM, William H. Magill wrote: >> On 08 Feb, 2004, at 09:54, Eric Marshall wrote: >> I'm running 10.3.2, and I needed to debug a problem on one >> of the accounts on my iMac, so I used NetInfo Manager to remove >> the password from the account. I was then able to log into the >> account with no password, as I was expecting. The problem is that >> I can't get a new login password for the account saved. Using >> the Accounts panel in System Preferences, I have the owner of >> the account enter a new password and everything seems to work, >> but trying to log back into the account only works with no password. >> I'm not too knowledgeable about keychain stuff, and I suspect >> this is related to the problem. I'd appreciate any explanation >> of what's going on. > > You probably deleted the password "property" in Netinfo for that > account instead of the "Value." > > Hence, with no "property" the password "value" cannot be stored. > > Re-create the "password property" for that account via Netinfo Manager. From Bob.Nance at CiTNetworks.com Mon Feb 9 12:26:53 2004 From: Bob.Nance at CiTNetworks.com (Bob Nance) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:47 2005 Subject: (no subject) Message-ID: <00d101c3ef4b$12a22df0$1b8d4e86@gm.mda.mil> Is there any way to change the ethernet ID on a Mac OS X PowerBook G4 (17")? I have tried: # ifconfig en0 ether 01:23:45:67:89:0A which seems to work, but the switch to which I am connected (and has mac address filtering turned on) doesn't pass my traffic. Any suggestions? -Bob From listuser at magicmiles.com Mon Feb 9 13:11:16 2004 From: listuser at magicmiles.com (m i l e s) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:47 2005 Subject: Restart from the Command Line ? Message-ID: <7FDF76AC-5B44-11D8-8BD3-000A95765A78@magicmiles.com> Silly question time. Is it possible to do a restart, from the command line ? If so, how ? Sincerely, M i l e s +++++++++++++++++++++++ President & Toolbox Architect MagicMiles Software (413) 374 - 5161 PO Box 414, Northampton, MA 01060 http://www.servicetoolbox.com/ http://www.workshoptoolbox.com/ http://www.healingartstoolbox.com/ http://www.artshoptoolbox.com/ We create content management systems for the rest of us, starting at $25.00 a month, includes domain registration, web hosting, email and webmail. Great for Yoga Teachers, Massage Therapists, Lawyers, Doctors, and any professional! From bernsteg at uiuc.edu Mon Feb 9 13:17:54 2004 From: bernsteg at uiuc.edu (Gary R. Bernstein) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:47 2005 Subject: Restart from the Command Line ? In-Reply-To: <7FDF76AC-5B44-11D8-8BD3-000A95765A78@magicmiles.com> Message-ID: sudo shutdown -r now the -r tells it to restart now, tells it when to do it. check out man shutdown for more options. I hope this helps. On Mon, 9 Feb 2004, m i l e s wrote: > Silly question time. > > Is it possible to do a restart, from the command line ? > > If so, how ? > > Sincerely, > > > M i l e s > > +++++++++++++++++++++++ > > President & Toolbox Architect > MagicMiles Software > (413) 374 - 5161 > PO Box 414, Northampton, MA 01060 > > http://www.servicetoolbox.com/ > http://www.workshoptoolbox.com/ > http://www.healingartstoolbox.com/ > http://www.artshoptoolbox.com/ > > We create content management systems for > the rest of us, starting at $25.00 a month, > includes domain registration, web hosting, > email and webmail. Great for Yoga Teachers, > Massage Therapists, Lawyers, Doctors, > and any professional! > > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-admin mailing list > MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * -- "I tried, but it didn't work" is a lot better than "I wish I'd tried." Gary R. Bernstein Director of Computer Information & Access bernsteg@uiuc.edu Krannert Center for the Performing Arts 217-244-1038 College of Fine & Applied Arts - UIUC * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * From karl.hardisty at clear.net.nz Mon Feb 9 13:25:52 2004 From: karl.hardisty at clear.net.nz (Karl Hardisty) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:47 2005 Subject: Restart from the Command Line ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <89B3527F-5B46-11D8-BB7F-000A9589D1AC@clear.net.nz> sudo reboot also works. ..k On 10/02/2004, at 10:17 AM, Gary R. Bernstein wrote: sudo shutdown -r now the -r tells it to restart now, tells it when to do it. check out man shutdown for more options. I hope this helps. On Mon, 9 Feb 2004, m i l e s wrote: > Silly question time. > > Is it possible to do a restart, from the command line ? > > If so, how ? > > Sincerely, > > > M i l e s > > +++++++++++++++++++++++ > > President & Toolbox Architect > MagicMiles Software > (413) 374 - 5161 > PO Box 414, Northampton, MA 01060 > > http://www.servicetoolbox.com/ > http://www.workshoptoolbox.com/ > http://www.healingartstoolbox.com/ > http://www.artshoptoolbox.com/ > > We create content management systems for > the rest of us, starting at $25.00 a month, > includes domain registration, web hosting, > email and webmail. Great for Yoga Teachers, > Massage Therapists, Lawyers, Doctors, > and any professional! > > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-admin mailing list > MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * -- "I tried, but it didn't work" is a lot better than "I wish I'd tried." Gary R. Bernstein Director of Computer Information & Access bernsteg@uiuc.edu Krannert Center for the Performing Arts 217-244-1038 College of Fine & Applied Arts - UIUC * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * _______________________________________________ MacOSX-admin mailing list MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin From mstearne at entermix.com Mon Feb 9 13:26:03 2004 From: mstearne at entermix.com (Michael Stearne) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:47 2005 Subject: Restart from the Command Line ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9057B9F2-5B46-11D8-AFA2-000A95CD9C5A@entermix.com> "reboot" also works but shutdown -r now is more commonly used. Michael On Feb 9, 2004, at 4:17 PM, Gary R. Bernstein wrote: > sudo shutdown -r now > > the -r tells it to restart > now, tells it when to do it. > > check out man shutdown for more options. > > I hope this helps. > > On Mon, 9 Feb 2004, m i l e s wrote: > >> Silly question time. >> >> Is it possible to do a restart, from the command line ? >> >> If so, how ? >> >> Sincerely, >> >> >> M i l e s >> >> +++++++++++++++++++++++ >> >> President & Toolbox Architect >> MagicMiles Software >> (413) 374 - 5161 >> PO Box 414, Northampton, MA 01060 >> >> http://www.servicetoolbox.com/ >> http://www.workshoptoolbox.com/ >> http://www.healingartstoolbox.com/ >> http://www.artshoptoolbox.com/ >> >> We create content management systems for >> the rest of us, starting at $25.00 a month, >> includes domain registration, web hosting, >> email and webmail. Great for Yoga Teachers, >> Massage Therapists, Lawyers, Doctors, >> and any professional! >> >> _______________________________________________ >> MacOSX-admin mailing list >> MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com >> http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin >> > > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * > * * > -- "I tried, but it didn't work" is a lot better than "I wish I'd > tried." > > Gary R. Bernstein Director of Computer Information & > Access > bernsteg@uiuc.edu Krannert Center for the Performing > Arts > 217-244-1038 College of Fine & Applied Arts - UIUC > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * > * * > > > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-admin mailing list > MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin > > From garbanzito at mac.com Mon Feb 9 13:29:51 2004 From: garbanzito at mac.com (steve harley) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:47 2005 Subject: Restart from the Command Line ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1886AC7A-5B47-11D8-98CC-000393C5ED50@mac.com> on 9 Feb 2004, at 2:17 PM, Gary R. Bernstein wrote: > sudo shutdown -r now that will terminate any GUI processes abruptly.. if there's a normal user login session running it might be better to osascript -e 'tell app "System Events" to restart' not tested, since i don't feel like restarting right now.. the downside is GUI apps may then ask if you want to save documents, questions you can't answer from the shell.. i'm not sure whether this will work from a remote shell session From sherman at qualcomm.com Mon Feb 9 13:31:39 2004 From: sherman at qualcomm.com (Sherman Gregory) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:47 2005 Subject: Restart from the Command Line ? In-Reply-To: <7FDF76AC-5B44-11D8-8BD3-000A95765A78@magicmiles.com> References: <7FDF76AC-5B44-11D8-8BD3-000A95765A78@magicmiles.com> Message-ID: At 4:11 PM -0500 2/9/04, m i l e s wrote: >Silly question time. > >Is it possible to do a restart, from the command line ? > >If so, how ? > man reboot man shutdown From osxadmin at flagshipinteractive.com Mon Feb 9 13:41:13 2004 From: osxadmin at flagshipinteractive.com (Alex Pilson) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:47 2005 Subject: Restart from the Command Line ? In-Reply-To: <1886AC7A-5B47-11D8-98CC-000393C5ED50@mac.com> References: <1886AC7A-5B47-11D8-98CC-000393C5ED50@mac.com> Message-ID: At 2:29 PM -0700 2/9/04, steve harley wrote: >on 9 Feb 2004, at 2:17 PM, Gary R. Bernstein wrote: >>sudo shutdown -r now > >that will terminate any GUI processes abruptly.. if there's a normal >user login session running it might be better to > > osascript -e 'tell app "System Events" to restart' > >not tested, since i don't feel like restarting right now.. the >downside is GUI apps may then ask if you want to save documents, >questions you can't answer from the shell.. i'm not sure whether >this will work from a remote shell session Apparently using shutdown -r now is the exact same as using reboot. from the man pages of shutdown: -r Shutdown execs reboot(8) at the specified time. Do a man reboot. It tells you what it actually does. -- <---------------------------------------------------------------> Alex Pilson FlagShip Interactive, Inc. alex@flagshipinteractive.com <---------------------------------------------------------------> From wh72 at cornell.edu Mon Feb 9 13:46:00 2004 From: wh72 at cornell.edu (William Hatch) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:47 2005 Subject: afp and automount Message-ID: Hi, this has been covered in depth on this list before, but I'm having no luck trying to automount an afp share in NetInfo. I'm on 10.3.x Server and trying to mount a share from another server on start up. The client is not part of the same Open Directory domain as the servers I'm trying to connect to. On the client in NetInfo, I created a new sub directory under mounts with the following keys/values: vfstype url dir /Volumes/BackUps name myserver.domain.com:/share opts net And as another value under opts: url==afp://myUserName;AUTH=Cleartxt%20Authent:myPassword@serverFQDN/share I do this all the time with NFS (obviously with different values), so I'm sure there is something simple I'm missing. One thought was: do I need to have the same user and password on the client? I just need to make sure the shares are available for the back up process so I don't have to be logged in. If anybody has a better way to do this, we're welcome to suggestions. Thanks. -- William Hatch Eng. Visual Media Collection Cornell Lab of Ornithology Macaulay Library Voice (607) 254-2116 Fax (607) 254-2439 From listuser at magicmiles.com Mon Feb 9 14:30:24 2004 From: listuser at magicmiles.com (m i l e s) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:47 2005 Subject: Restart from the Command Line ? In-Reply-To: References: <1886AC7A-5B47-11D8-98CC-000393C5ED50@mac.com> Message-ID: <8D889EED-5B4F-11D8-A1C5-000A95765A78@magicmiles.com> Hi, Thanks for the suggestion. >sudo shutdown -r now Worked like a CHAAAAAAAM! You know, once you get used to the CLI, its not so scary! M i l e s +++++++++++++++++++++++ President & Toolbox Architect MagicMiles Software (413) 374 - 5161 PO Box 414, Northampton, MA 01060 http://www.servicetoolbox.com/ http://www.workshoptoolbox.com/ http://www.healingartstoolbox.com/ http://www.artshoptoolbox.com/ We create content management systems for the rest of us, starting at $25.00 a month, includes domain registration, web hosting, email and webmail. Great for Yoga Teachers, Massage Therapists, Lawyers, Doctors, and any professional! From jwelch at aer.com Mon Feb 9 14:36:49 2004 From: jwelch at aer.com (John C. Welch) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:47 2005 Subject: Restart from the Command Line ? In-Reply-To: <1886AC7A-5B47-11D8-98CC-000393C5ED50@mac.com> Message-ID: On 2/9/04 3:29 PM, "steve harley" wrote: >> sudo shutdown -r now > > that will terminate any GUI processes abruptly.. if there's a normal > user login session running it might be better to > > osascript -e 'tell app "System Events" to restart' > > not tested, since i don't feel like restarting right now.. the downside > is GUI apps may then ask if you want to save documents, questions you > can't answer from the shell.. i'm not sure whether this will work from > a remote shell session You'll want to wrap that in an "ignoring application responses" block, otherwise you may have problems. john -- The average cost of rehabilitating a seal after the Exxon Valdez oil spill in Alaska was $80,000. At a special ceremony, two of the most expensively saved animals were released back into the wild amid cheers and applause from onlookers. A minute later, in full view, they were both eaten by a killer whale. From justin at mac.com Mon Feb 9 16:29:06 2004 From: justin at mac.com (Justin Walker) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:47 2005 Subject: (no subject) In-Reply-To: <00d101c3ef4b$12a22df0$1b8d4e86@gm.mda.mil> Message-ID: <22A64332-5B60-11D8-9286-00306544D642@mac.com> On Monday, February 9, 2004, at 12:26 PM, Bob Nance wrote: > Is there any way to change the ethernet ID on a Mac OS X PowerBook G4 > (17")? > I have tried: > # ifconfig en0 ether 01:23:45:67:89:0A > which seems to work, but the switch to which I am connected (and has > mac > address filtering turned on) doesn't pass my traffic. The 'ifconfig' support is there, but the device drivers have not been taught to listen. > Any suggestions? Short of starting up the old editor and leaping into code, I don't know of a way to do this. Regards, Justin -- /~\ The ASCII Justin C. Walker, Curmudgeon-at-Large \ / Ribbon Campaign X Help cure HTML Email / \ From chris at morningsideacademy.org Mon Feb 9 17:16:52 2004 From: chris at morningsideacademy.org (Chris Schwan) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:47 2005 Subject: LDAP, Yada Yada Yada Message-ID: Hi, In our lab we have 10 comps running Panther. I have a Gentoo Linux server running OpenLDAP, Samba, and Netatalk. The Linux server is providing Apple share services to OS 9 clients. I wanted to setup LDAP authentication for the Panther lab, I have that part working fine: It seems that I am able to have a kid login to a single machine, if the kid has never logged in before to the particular machine, it will build a home dir in /Users/. I could do a mountable NFS home dir, but cant seem to find the info on making that happen 100% So what I was thinking to do I am looking to do, and have been unsuccessful so far is, when the student logs in, he auths with the OpenLDAP server, and then automounts a NFS or a SMB share from his user account on the server. This way the student can save word docs, etc over on the server, and the server wont have the overhead of shipping out 10 /home dirs to the Panther clients. So anyway, I am too the point where they can Auth against the LDAP server, but I seem to be missing out on the automount part. Is there something, a Mount object on the LDAP side? I have done the bit on bombiches site, putting the mount info into NetInfo, it does not work. Does anyone have tips, or lead me to some docs that describe doing what I am looking at? Thanks in advance -- Chris Schwan Technology Director Morningside Academy 201 Westlake Ave. North Seattle, WA 98109 (206) 709-9500 http://www.morningsideacademy.org chris@morningsideacademy.org From rpeskin at rlpcon.com Mon Feb 9 21:01:43 2004 From: rpeskin at rlpcon.com (Richard Peskin) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:47 2005 Subject: Panther Cyrus Message-ID: <38792A44-5B86-11D8-9AF8-000A95A6858C@rlpcon.com> Cyrus is included in Panther server. Is it included in Panther (not server), or can it be installed? thanks, --dick peskin Richard L. Peskin, RLP Consulting, Londonderry, VT http://www.rlpcon.com http://www.caip.rutgers.edu/~peskin From stefano.delliponti at eidosmedia.com Tue Feb 10 03:53:19 2004 From: stefano.delliponti at eidosmedia.com (Stefano Delli Ponti) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:47 2005 Subject: Problem with Software Update Message-ID: Recently we are having problem with software update (with 10.3.2 and iMac G4). For instance the recent Bluetooth update seems to start but it locks (the progress bar doesn't move). We were forced to update Safari with a direct download. Any ideas? TIA, Stefano From simon.brownlee at pobox.com Tue Feb 10 06:52:12 2004 From: simon.brownlee at pobox.com (simon.brownlee@pobox.com) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:47 2005 Subject: (no subject) In-Reply-To: <22A64332-5B60-11D8-9286-00306544D642@mac.com> References: <22A64332-5B60-11D8-9286-00306544D642@mac.com> Message-ID: On Feb 10, 2004, at 1:29, Justin Walker wrote: > > On Monday, February 9, 2004, at 12:26 PM, Bob Nance wrote: > >> Is there any way to change the ethernet ID on a Mac OS X PowerBook G4 >> (17")? >> I have tried: >> # ifconfig en0 ether 01:23:45:67:89:0A >> which seems to work, but the switch to which I am connected (and has >> mac >> address filtering turned on) doesn't pass my traffic. > > The 'ifconfig' support is there, but the device drivers have not been > taught to listen. > >> Any suggestions? > Changing the mac address from within OS X doesn't seem to be fully supported yet. It is possible to change it from Open Firmware, but obviously this requires a reboot. On my first gen. Powerbook G4, the following steps change the built in ethernet port to have a mac address of "01:02:03:aa:bb:cc": 1. Reboot and go into Open Firmware (i.e hold down cmd-opt-O-F at reboot) 2. Type the following substituting in your new mac address: nvedit dev enet " local-mac-address" delete-property 010203aa my-enet-ha ! bbcc my-enet-ha 4 + w! my-enet-ha 6 encode-bytes " local-mac-address" property unselect-dev 3. Type Control-C to get an "OK >" prompt 4. Type: nvstore nvramrc eval 5. If the above gave an error message (DEFAULT CATCH stuff), just type "bye", press return and try again 6. Type: setenv use-nvramrc? true bye 7. Machine then boots up. Check the mac address with "ifconfig en0" The changes survive reboots/shutdown, but obviously a reset of nvram will set these back to the defaults. -- From creed at mac.com Tue Feb 10 08:16:21 2004 From: creed at mac.com (Creed Erickson) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:47 2005 Subject: (no subject) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <7708883E-5BE4-11D8-80F4-000393CC5A10@mac.com> On Tuesday, February 10, 2004, at 06:52 AM, simon.brownlee@pobox.com wrote: > nvedit > dev enet > " local-mac-address" delete-property > 010203aa my-enet-ha ! > bbcc my-enet-ha 4 + w! > my-enet-ha 6 encode-bytes > " local-mac-address" property > unselect-dev And people accuse the UNIX CLI of being cryptic. :-) From justin at mac.com Tue Feb 10 08:33:23 2004 From: justin at mac.com (Justin Walker) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:47 2005 Subject: (no subject) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tuesday, February 10, 2004, at 06:52 AM, simon.brownlee@pobox.com wrote: > On Feb 10, 2004, at 1:29, Justin Walker wrote: >> >> On Monday, February 9, 2004, at 12:26 PM, Bob Nance wrote: >> >>> Is there any way to change the ethernet ID on a Mac OS X PowerBook >>> G4 (17")? >>> I have tried: >>> # ifconfig en0 ether 01:23:45:67:89:0A >>> which seems to work, but the switch to which I am connected (and has >>> mac >>> address filtering turned on) doesn't pass my traffic. >> >> The 'ifconfig' support is there, but the device drivers have not been >> taught to listen. >> >>> Any suggestions? >> > > Changing the mac address from within OS X doesn't seem to be fully > supported yet. It is possible to change it from Open Firmware, but > obviously this requires a reboot. On my first gen. Powerbook G4, the > following steps change the built in ethernet port to have a mac > address of "01:02:03:aa:bb:cc": Thanks for adding this to the thread; it will be useful to others, I think. One nit: The address, as you show it, is a 'multicast' address (low-order bit of the first octect, i.e., 1st bit of destination address on the wire). The source address is generally not interpreted, but typically, it is used as the destination for 'reverse' flow. This could foul things up for your workstation, and perhaps for the network. I'd avoid it. Regards, Justin -- Justin C. Walker, Curmudgeon-At-Large * Institute for General Semantics | Men are from Earth. | Women are from Earth. | Deal with it. *--------------------------------------*-------------------------------* From Bob.Nance at CiTNetworks.com Tue Feb 10 08:41:31 2004 From: Bob.Nance at CiTNetworks.com (Bob Nance) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:47 2005 Subject: (no subject) References: Message-ID: <002f01c3eff4$be3ca510$1b8d4e86@gm.mda.mil> > The address, as you show it, is a 'multicast' address (low-order bit of > the first octect, i.e., 1st bit of destination address on the wire). > The source address is generally not interpreted, but typically, it is > used as the destination for 'reverse' flow. This could foul things up > for your workstation, and perhaps for the network. I'd avoid it. So, you're saying that the burned-in-address will show up in my ethernet packets, also? -Bob From justin at mac.com Tue Feb 10 09:03:50 2004 From: justin at mac.com (Justin Walker) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:48 2005 Subject: (no subject) In-Reply-To: <002f01c3eff4$be3ca510$1b8d4e86@gm.mda.mil> Message-ID: <191231F8-5BEB-11D8-9286-00306544D642@mac.com> On Tuesday, February 10, 2004, at 08:41 AM, Bob Nance wrote: >> The address, as you show it, is a 'multicast' address (low-order bit >> of >> the first octect, i.e., 1st bit of destination address on the wire). >> The source address is generally not interpreted, but typically, it is >> used as the destination for 'reverse' flow. This could foul things up >> for your workstation, and perhaps for the network. I'd avoid it. > > So, you're saying that the burned-in-address will show up in my > ethernet > packets, also? Huh? I'm saying that other stations may keep the source address of a received packet as the destination to send "back" to. In addition, the local station has that address, it will reply with it in ARP/AARP reply packets. Then, that address becomes the destination address for other frames being sent to the local system. Since it's a multicast address, other stations may receive such frames as well, and act on them. To see the kind of fun that can arise when this happens, try the following experiment: if you have a router nearby on which you can run 'tcpdump', sniff the network in promiscuous mode. I'm not sure what your point is. The 'source' address is generally provided by the host system, not the NIC, on transmission. There is always only one source MAC address in an ethernet (or IEEE 802.x) frame. What is referred to as the 'burned-in address' is usually assigned by the manufacturer at build time, and "burned into" an on-board ROM. The host is responsible for reading that ROM and then telling the NIC what to use (that's why it's even possible to change the MAC address). Cheers, Justin -- Justin C. Walker, Curmudgeon-At-Large * Institute for General Semantics | If you're not confused, | You're not paying attention *--------------------------------------*-------------------------------* From b.lloyd at mac.com Tue Feb 10 10:03:00 2004 From: b.lloyd at mac.com (Bill Lloyd) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:48 2005 Subject: Panther Cyrus In-Reply-To: <38792A44-5B86-11D8-9AF8-000A95A6858C@rlpcon.com> References: <38792A44-5B86-11D8-9AF8-000A95A6858C@rlpcon.com> Message-ID: <5CEDC3CE-5BF3-11D8-ADAC-000A958F7A2A@mac.com> It's not included in "plain old" Panther. Sure, you can install it. OS X is just OS X, after all. There's no magic mojo in OS X Server that says you can't install other components yourself, but you won't get the management tools, so command line it is for you ;-) Cheers, -Bill On Feb 9, 2004, at 9:01 PM, Richard Peskin wrote: > Cyrus is included in Panther server. Is it included in Panther (not > server), or can it be installed? > thanks, > --dick peskin > > > > Richard L. Peskin, RLP Consulting, Londonderry, VT > http://www.rlpcon.com > http://www.caip.rutgers.edu/~peskin > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-admin mailing list > MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin From wh72 at cornell.edu Tue Feb 10 10:56:12 2004 From: wh72 at cornell.edu (William Hatch) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:48 2005 Subject: afp and automount In-Reply-To: Message-ID: OK, more info in an effort to promote some useful feedback;-) I am also unable to mount this afp share from the command line. The command looks like this: Mount -t afp "afp://logInName:myLogInPasword@server.domain.edu/Volumes/volume/share /Users/bill/mounts All on one line. When I run this, it returns mount_afp: the mount flags are 0000 the altflags are 0020 Followed by: mount_afp: AFPMountURL returned error -5019, errno is 2 According to the docs, this error indicates a bad url, but the url and path to the share are good. Checking the logs on the server indicate the the user logged in and then logged out. Any thoughts from anybody, anyone;-) William Hatch2/9/04 4:46 PMwh72@cornell.edu > Hi, this has been covered in depth on this list before, but I'm having no > luck trying to automount an afp share in NetInfo. I'm on 10.3.x Server and > trying to mount a share from another server on start up. The client is not > part of the same Open Directory domain as the servers I'm trying to connect > to. On the client in NetInfo, I created a new sub directory under mounts > with the following keys/values: > > vfstype url > dir /Volumes/BackUps > name myserver.domain.com:/share > > opts net > > And as another value under opts: > > url==afp://myUserName;AUTH=Cleartxt%20Authent:myPassword@serverFQDN/share > > I do this all the time with NFS (obviously with different values), so I'm > sure there is something simple I'm missing. One thought was: do I need to > have the same user and password on the client? > > I just need to make sure the shares are available for the back up process so > I don't have to be logged in. If anybody has a better way to do this, we're > welcome to suggestions. Thanks. -- William Hatch Eng. Visual Media Collection Cornell Lab of Ornithology Macaulay Library Voice (607) 254-2116 Fax (607) 254-2439 From tomj at uci.edu Tue Feb 10 11:23:12 2004 From: tomj at uci.edu (Tom Jennings) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:48 2005 Subject: OSX authentication against Samba PDC? Message-ID: <1076440991.17217.1043.camel@aether.local> I'm a reasonably experienced unix/linux sysadmin, with a Samba-based computer lab. I have a semi-redundant pair of SuSE 9.0 linux 'big' RAID5 servers, one with a Samba 2.2.8 PDC, eight WinXP workstations, and four 10.2.* Macs (high-end G5s and mid G4s). I need to make the OSX machines authenticate against the Samba PDC. I'm utterly new to admining OSX, but I've RTFM'd a little, I know it's BSD-based, not out-of-the-box BSD, etc. I'm cool with that. I hope that my problem is simply me, but I cannot find any usable software to authenticate off an NT-style PDC. The simple mounting of shares is easy, with built-in samba client stuff, mount and automount, etc. Hell, %K in the finder. I say 'usable' because I have Thursby's AdmitMac, which claims to do NT auth stuff, and it *almost* works, sorta kinda maybe. (Their DAVE product seems redundant in 10.2 up, since it provides only smbmount/smbclient-ish things now provided with OS X.) I'm still battling AdmitMac, and talking with the cooperative Thursby tech people, but is it really the case, that *no one but me* needs to authenticate OSX workstations on an NT-style PDC? I would think it far more popular than it appears. If it's just me being a blockhead that's great, I can fix that the easiest! I'll get 10.3 if it'll move me in the right direction. Any hints? Be nice, I'm new here :-) tomj From bsilver at chrononomicon.com Tue Feb 10 11:55:53 2004 From: bsilver at chrononomicon.com (Bart Silverstrim) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:48 2005 Subject: LDAP, Yada Yada Yada In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <226AA80D-5C03-11D8-83EB-000A956D2452@chrononomicon.com> On Feb 9, 2004, at 8:16 PM, Chris Schwan wrote: > Hi, > > In our lab we have 10 comps running Panther. I have a Gentoo Linux > server running OpenLDAP, Samba, and Netatalk. The Linux server is > providing Apple share services to OS 9 clients. > > I wanted to setup LDAP authentication for the Panther lab, I have that > part working fine: It seems that I am able to have a kid login to a > single machine, if the kid has never logged in before to the > particular machine, it will build a home dir in /Users/. I could do a > mountable NFS home dir, but cant seem to find the info on making that > happen 100% > > So what I was thinking to do I am looking to do, and have been > unsuccessful so far is, when the student logs in, he auths with the > OpenLDAP server, and then automounts a NFS or a SMB share from his > user account on the server. This way the student can save word docs, > etc over on the server, and the server wont have the overhead of > shipping out 10 /home dirs to the Panther clients. > > So anyway, I am too the point where they can Auth against the LDAP > server, but I seem to be missing out on the automount part. Is there > something, a Mount object on the LDAP side? I have done the bit on > bombiches site, putting the mount info into NetInfo, it does not work. > > Does anyone have tips, or lead me to some docs that describe doing > what I am looking at? > If anyone finds a good howto or points to a repository of information on how to do this for a network (OS X authenticating to a linux/freebsd system using OpenLDAP and then mounting home directories via NFS) please share! I'd love to find information on this... Now if only Windows could mount NFS directories as home directory maps...(thought...wonder if using NFS gateway services with Services for Unix do that?...hmm...) -Bart From stephen.johnson at utsouthwestern.edu Tue Feb 10 14:40:29 2004 From: stephen.johnson at utsouthwestern.edu (Stephen Johnson) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:48 2005 Subject: Kerberos in AD Message-ID: <20DA2991-5C1A-11D8-A2D9-000A95A4FB9A@utsouthwestern.edu> Hi all, I realize this is might be more an AD question, but here goes: my Mac clients can get kerberos tickets from my Win2003 AD so long as the users live in the "Users" OU. If I put users into other OU's, the Macs can't seem to find them when trying to get a ticket. Has anyone run into this issue? Does this require a mod to my edu.mit.Kerberos file? thanks, Stephen Johnson UT Southwestern Medical Center in Dallas From Bob.Nance at CiTNetworks.com Tue Feb 10 14:41:14 2004 From: Bob.Nance at CiTNetworks.com (Bob Nance) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:48 2005 Subject: enet address References: <22A64332-5B60-11D8-9286-00306544D642@mac.com> Message-ID: <006d01c3f026$fdab47b0$1b8d4e86@gm.mda.mil> > nvedit > dev enet > " local-mac-address" delete-property > 010203aa my-enet-ha ! > bbcc my-enet-ha 4 + w! > my-enet-ha 6 encode-bytes > " local-mac-address" property > unselect-dev I haven't done FORTH since I learned it on the Sinclair. I can see what you are doing here, but I don't think I have all of the same methods. Selected the devalias "enet" "local-mac-address" is a property as .properties shows, but the second line fails the "eval" with "local-mac-address", unknown word ok so I am guessing that it stops running at that point, so I never get to your fancy 12-byte encoding method that comes next - but it looks pretty cool! Any ideas? I couldn't find my version of Open Firmware, the apple site says that it shows up when you start OF, but all I see is: Apple PowerBook5, 1 4.6.2f1 BootROM Also, is there any way to delete empty lines from the nvram after you have stored it? I am using the VT terminal sequences for just about everything, but CTRL-Y doesn't delete a line. Thanks for you help! -Bob From mbartosh at mac.com Tue Feb 10 19:18:44 2004 From: mbartosh at mac.com (Michael Bartosh) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:48 2005 Subject: Kerberos in AD In-Reply-To: <20DA2991-5C1A-11D8-A2D9-000A95A4FB9A@utsouthwestern.edu> References: <20DA2991-5C1A-11D8-A2D9-000A95A4FB9A@utsouthwestern.edu> Message-ID: At 4:40 PM -0600 2/10/04, Stephen Johnson wrote: >I realize this is might be more an AD question, but here goes: my >Mac clients can get kerberos tickets from my Win2003 AD so long as >the users live in the "Users" OU. If I put users into other OU's, >the Macs can't seem to find them when trying to get a ticket. Has >anyone run into this issue? Does this require a mod to my >edu.mit.Kerberos file? Can you try to use the kinit command to get a ticket- ie log in as one of the troublesome users, open the terminal, and type kinit. -- http://www.4am-media.com Mac OS X Consulting and Training Michael Bartosh mbartosh@4am-media.com 303.517.0272 Denver, CO "The surest way to corrupt a youth is to instruct him to hold in higher regard those who think alike than those who think differently." - -- Nietzsche Think Different. From shigeru at lamb.org Tue Feb 10 21:36:43 2004 From: shigeru at lamb.org (Shigeru Kawaguchi) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:48 2005 Subject: Panther Server WebDAV and Dreamweaver/GoLive Message-ID: <465A23BF-5C54-11D8-9968-000A95DA1B80@lamb.org> Hello! I am wondering if there is a way to enable PROPFIND and DepthInfinity of WebDAV in Apache without confusing Server Admin App. Both Dreamweaver and GoLive require them enabled in order to work through WebDAV. Any help will be appreciated. Thanks. --- Shigeru Kawaguchi (Mr.) => Jesus Loves You and so Do I! <= e-mail:shigeru@lamb.org Are your love, significance, fax: +1-202.250-3623 and security needs satisfied? url: http://www.lamb.org/ PGP: F627 5EB4 4AEF 7921 4F83 5ED7 F646 967F 67C5 DD55 "Kites rise highest against the wind, not with it." -Winston Churchill, Sir (1874-1965) From shoop at iwiring.net Tue Feb 10 22:15:08 2004 From: shoop at iwiring.net (Dan Shoop) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:48 2005 Subject: enet address In-Reply-To: <006d01c3f026$fdab47b0$1b8d4e86@gm.mda.mil> References: <22A64332-5B60-11D8-9286-00306544D642@mac.com> <006d01c3f026$fdab47b0$1b8d4e86@gm.mda.mil> Message-ID: At 4:41 PM -0600 2/10/04, Bob Nance wrote: > > nvedit >> dev enet >> " local-mac-address" delete-property >> 010203aa my-enet-ha ! >> bbcc my-enet-ha 4 + w! >> my-enet-ha 6 encode-bytes >> " local-mac-address" property >> unselect-dev > >I haven't done FORTH since I learned it on the Sinclair. I can see what you >are doing here, but I don't think I have all of the same methods. Oh FORTH was around long before that... But OpenFirmware isn't true FORTH, it's just *FORTH-like* >Selected the devalias "enet" >"local-mac-address" is a property as .properties shows, but the second line >fails the "eval" with > "local-mac-address", unknown word > ok >so I am guessing that it stops running at that point, so I never get to your >fancy 12-byte encoding method that comes next - but it looks pretty cool! > >Any ideas? This most certainly doesn't work on all Mac's w OpenFirmware. Can't say if it should work with your Mac or not. > I am using the VT terminal sequences for just about everything, >but CTRL-Y doesn't delete a line. I don't believe it uses these. -- -dhan ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Dan Shoop shoop@iwiring.net Consulting Internet Architect shoop@mac.com AIM: iWiring pgp key fingerprint: FAC0 9434 B5A5 24A8 D0AF 12B1 7840 3BE7 3736 DE0B iWiring designs and supports Internet systems and networks based on Mac OS X, unix(tm), and Open Source applications technologies and offers 24x7, guaranteed support to registered clients. How can we help? From ryansking at mac.com Wed Feb 11 06:21:24 2004 From: ryansking at mac.com (Ryan King) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:48 2005 Subject: Using DOM to close other window In-Reply-To: <170CAFC6-5C45-11D8-95CE-0030654E1466@j-w3.com> References: <170CAFC6-5C45-11D8-95CE-0030654E1466@j-w3.com> Message-ID: <923EFDA7-5C9D-11D8-B613-000393998C74@mac.com> On Feb 10, 2004, at 9:48 PM, Gary Ross wrote: > I have a problem that when users sign up to my site, they find > themselves at their new home with a prompt to confirm through an email > link. Unfortunately, when they click the link the 'confirmed' page > opens up in a new window. I'd like the original window to close on > loading of the 'confirm' page, unless of course the link is pasted > into the original page. What DOM should I use or are there some good > DOM references out their to deal with this. > If I understand you correctly, you want to have email confirmation open in new window and have that window close the original window. If that is correct, I have a problem with it. Actually I have a problem in general with people who open new windows "for me". The windows are mine, not theirs and I would appreciate it if they would be left alone. :-) Anyway, my point here is: why open a new window in the first place? ------------------- "In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. But, in practice, there is. " -Jan L.A. van de Snepscheut http://homepage.mac.com/ryansking/ From rdelbello at daileyads.com Wed Feb 11 07:59:49 2004 From: rdelbello at daileyads.com (Remo Del Bello) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:48 2005 Subject: decrypting PDF files In-Reply-To: <5C113D54-58DD-11D8-B902-000393D5A2A2@mac.com> Message-ID: On 2/6/04 11:47 AM, Roger Howard deftly typed out: > I sure hope there aren't easily available tools, I believe that you can simply open the PDF in Preview, print to PDF and voil?... -Remo Del Bello -- "Advice is a dangerous gift, even from the wise to the wise, and all courses may run ill." - Gildor Inglorion in "The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring" From stephen.johnson at utsouthwestern.edu Wed Feb 11 09:05:13 2004 From: stephen.johnson at utsouthwestern.edu (Stephen Johnson) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:48 2005 Subject: Kerberos in AD In-Reply-To: References: <20DA2991-5C1A-11D8-A2D9-000A95A4FB9A@utsouthwestern.edu> Message-ID: <7518F6AC-5CB4-11D8-85FF-000A95A4FB9A@utsouthwestern.edu> Oddly, when I tried it this morning it worked, checking both the terminal and the gui app. Weird. On a related subject, I seem to recall reading that if the AD plugin detected any Mac specific settings in the schema, it would use them. (I assume this means pointing to network home directories and such?). If that is true, what schema specifically does it support? I have used MS Services for Unix and Gordon Shukwit's AD schema mods and neither seem to be recognized. Thanks, Stephen Johnson On Feb 10, 2004, at 9:18 PM, Michael Bartosh wrote: > At 4:40 PM -0600 2/10/04, Stephen Johnson wrote: >> I realize this is might be more an AD question, but here goes: my Mac >> clients can get kerberos tickets from my Win2003 AD so long as the >> users live in the "Users" OU. If I put users into other OU's, the >> Macs can't seem to find them when trying to get a ticket. Has anyone >> run into this issue? Does this require a mod to my edu.mit.Kerberos >> file? > > Can you try to use the kinit command to get a ticket- ie log in as one > of the troublesome users, open the terminal, and type kinit. > > -- > > http://www.4am-media.com > Mac OS X Consulting and Training > Michael Bartosh > mbartosh@4am-media.com > 303.517.0272 > Denver, CO > > > "The surest way to corrupt a youth is to instruct him to hold in higher > regard those who think alike than those who think differently." > > - -- Nietzsche > Think Different. From bcw at sfu.ca Wed Feb 11 10:07:24 2004 From: bcw at sfu.ca (Brian Warsing) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:48 2005 Subject: More than 7 SMB Shares? Too bad for you... Message-ID: <20040211180724.GA10584@sfu.ca> Perhaps someone can confirm this Jaguar caveat... When users do a "Connect to..." looking for an SMB share on a specific server, after auth, they are offered a selection of shares from the pull-down. Is this max'd out at 7 shares? We have more, and specifing the full UNC to one of the shares that does not appear, works but is not user-friendly. Server is win2k serving all shares identically as SMB/AFP. Any ideas? -- Brian Warsing Academic Computing Services at Harbour Centre Simon Fraser University ph. 604-291-5030 ICQ# 167127757 From njriley at uiuc.edu Wed Feb 11 10:18:54 2004 From: njriley at uiuc.edu (Nicholas Riley) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:48 2005 Subject: More than 7 SMB Shares? Too bad for you... In-Reply-To: <20040211180724.GA10584@sfu.ca> References: <20040211180724.GA10584@sfu.ca> Message-ID: <20040211181854.GA10113@uiuc.edu> On Wed, Feb 11, 2004 at 10:07:24AM -0800, Brian Warsing wrote: > Perhaps someone can confirm this Jaguar caveat... > > When users do a "Connect to..." looking for an SMB share on a specific > server, after auth, they are offered a selection of shares from the > pull-down. Is this max'd out at 7 shares? > > We have more, and specifing the full UNC to one of the shares that > does not appear, works but is not user-friendly. > Server is win2k serving all shares identically as SMB/AFP. I see over 30 shares (all of them) on one of our Win2K servers when coming from 10.2.8, and the same under 10.3.2. -- =Nicholas Riley | From bcw at sfu.ca Wed Feb 11 11:08:30 2004 From: bcw at sfu.ca (Brian Warsing) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:48 2005 Subject: More than 7 SMB Shares? Too bad for you... In-Reply-To: <20040211181854.GA10113@uiuc.edu> References: <20040211180724.GA10584@sfu.ca> <20040211181854.GA10113@uiuc.edu> Message-ID: <20040211190829.GA20165@sfu.ca> On Wed, Feb 11, 2004 at 12:18:54PM -0600, Nicholas Riley wrote: > I see over 30 shares (all of them) on one of our Win2K servers when > coming from 10.2.8, and the same under 10.3.2. >From the backend I can see all of our shares too, but not from the "Connect to..." pull-down. Are the shares you refer to being shared over AFP as well? Some? All? -- Brian Warsing Academic Computing Services at Harbour Centre Simon Fraser University ph. 604-291-5030 ICQ# 167127757 From rich at richcreations.com Wed Feb 11 11:11:05 2004 From: rich at richcreations.com (Rich Simpson) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:48 2005 Subject: pismo cpu upgrade Message-ID: <0A8232D7-5CC6-11D8-B0E9-0003939DAA98@richcreations.com> I have a Powerbook G3 firewire (pismo), running OS X 10.3, It has 60GB HD 512MB ram. I use this powerbook for audio recording, and would like to use garage band, but I only seem to be able to play 4 tracks at a time. the system requirements say G3 600 is needed (G4 for software instruments). this is the only software I use that needs a faster computer then I have. I was thinking about getting either a Powerlogix bluechip 500mhz G4, or a Powerlogix bluechip 900mhz G3, so I guess I am asking, which would be better for using garage band: G4 500 or G3 900. -Rich From mbovee at uvm.edu Wed Feb 11 11:27:56 2004 From: mbovee at uvm.edu (Michael Bovee) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:48 2005 Subject: pismo cpu upgrade (for audio) In-Reply-To: <0A8232D7-5CC6-11D8-B0E9-0003939DAA98@richcreations.com> Message-ID: <64B40129-5CC8-11D8-8D86-0050E460471E@uvm.edu> On Wednesday, February 11, 2004, at 02:11 PM, Rich Simpson wrote: > I have a Powerbook G3 firewire (pismo), running OS X 10.3, It has 60GB > HD 512MB ram. I use this powerbook for audio recording, and would like > to use garage band, but I only seem to be able to play 4 tracks at a > time. the system requirements say G3 600 is needed (G4 for software > instruments). this is the only software I use that needs a faster > computer then I have. I was thinking about getting either a Powerlogix > bluechip 500mhz G4, or a Powerlogix bluechip 900mhz G3, so I guess I > am asking, which would be better for using garage band: > G4 500 or G3 900. I'm no expert, but keep in mind that the speed of the hard drive is also a crucial factor, here, so my best advice would be to buy a faster internal (or external) drive, assuming your current one is only 4200rpm. Unfortunately, laptop drives are commonly only 4200rpm. You want at least a 5400 rpm drive, and preferably 7200rpm for multitrack audio applications. I believe you will find this is even more important than the processor speed. Audio-related mailing lists will be of benefit here too. Maybe Dan Shoop will comment on this as well. My 2 cents as an audio amateur... --Michael Bovee From jde6 at psu.edu Wed Feb 11 11:33:16 2004 From: jde6 at psu.edu (Justin Elliott) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:48 2005 Subject: MacOSXLabs.org "Novell eDirectory Integration" WebCast Message-ID: The MacOSXLabs.org group will be presenting a "Novell eDirectory Integration" WebCast on Tuesday, February 17 at 1:00 pm EST. This WebCast will cover integrating Mac OS X into Netware environments. For information on how to watch this WebCast, please visit the MacOSXLabs.org webcast web page: http://www.macosxlabs.org/webcasts/webcasts_next.html - Justin Elliott macosxlabs.org WebCast Coordinator -- Justin Elliott Penn State University Senior Research Programmer Information Technology Services jde6@psu.edu TLT/Classroom and Lab Computing From henrys at apple.com Wed Feb 11 11:34:39 2004 From: henrys at apple.com (Henry Stukenborg) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:48 2005 Subject: Kerberos in AD In-Reply-To: <7518F6AC-5CB4-11D8-85FF-000A95A4FB9A@utsouthwestern.edu> Message-ID: > On a related subject, I seem to recall reading that if the AD plugin > detected any Mac specific settings in the schema, it would use them. (I > assume this means pointing to network home directories and such?). If > that is true, what schema specifically does it support? I have used MS > Services for Unix and Gordon Shukwit's AD schema mods and neither seem > to be recognized. Actually network home directories is the ONE feature the plug-in won't obey. If you add Apple's schema (defined in /etc/openldap/schema/apple.schema) to AD then yes, the plug-in will scan the schema and realize (and use) those attributes. Gordon and SFU use their own custom schema elements (though if you want to use SFU's schema items for things like UID you can do that mapping from the AD plug-in itself) to get things to work: Gordon's is designed to be used by the LDAPv3 plug-in vs. the AD plug-in. -- Henry Stukenborg From njriley at uiuc.edu Wed Feb 11 11:45:42 2004 From: njriley at uiuc.edu (Nicholas Riley) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:48 2005 Subject: More than 7 SMB Shares? Too bad for you... In-Reply-To: <20040211190829.GA20165@sfu.ca> References: <20040211180724.GA10584@sfu.ca> <20040211181854.GA10113@uiuc.edu> <20040211190829.GA20165@sfu.ca> Message-ID: <20040211194542.GA11528@uiuc.edu> On Wed, Feb 11, 2004 at 11:08:30AM -0800, Brian Warsing wrote: > On Wed, Feb 11, 2004 at 12:18:54PM -0600, Nicholas Riley wrote: > > I see over 30 shares (all of them) on one of our Win2K servers when > > coming from 10.2.8, and the same under 10.3.2. > > >From the backend I can see all of our shares too, but not from the > "Connect to..." pull-down. > > Are the shares you refer to being shared over AFP as well? Some? All? Some, not all (due to that stupid restriction that you can't nest AFP shares). -- =Nicholas Riley | From Bob.Nance at CiTNetworks.com Wed Feb 11 12:22:02 2004 From: Bob.Nance at CiTNetworks.com (Bob Nance) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:48 2005 Subject: enet address References: <22A64332-5B60-11D8-9286-00306544D642@mac.com> <006d01c3f026$fdab47b0$1b8d4e86@gm.mda.mil> Message-ID: <002b01c3f0dc$bb7d5390$1b8d4e86@gm.mda.mil> > At 4:41 PM -0600 2/10/04, Bob Nance wrote: > > > nvedit > >I haven't done FORTH since I learned it on the Sinclair. I can see what you > >are doing here, but I don't think I have all of the same methods. > Oh FORTH was around long before that... Yes, but I wasn't! > But OpenFirmware isn't true FORTH, it's just *FORTH-like* So I've discovered. I can't find a definitive guide to the words in the firmware, so I don't know how to proceed. > This most certainly doesn't work on all Mac's w OpenFirmware. Can't > say if it should work with your Mac or not. True, true. But not a lot of help. I haven't had any luck coercing the address. > > I am using the VT terminal sequences for just about everything, > >but CTRL-Y doesn't delete a line. > > I don't believe it uses these. Pretty close, anyway. I have discovered that I can change the nvramrc value from the shell of a regular session: % nvram -p > nvram.current % vi nvram.current (get rid of things I'm not changing) (edit the "nvramrc" line) (save and quit) % sudo nvram -f nvram.current password: (my password) Any other hints, allegations, implications or annoying comments are greatly appreciated. Any help is better than none. -Bob From Roland at Jakschewitz.de Wed Feb 11 12:42:34 2004 From: Roland at Jakschewitz.de (Roland Jakschewitz) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:48 2005 Subject: /etc suddenly vanished Message-ID: Hi, sounds like a dumb UNIX joke, but that's exactly what happened: I was "doing nothing", just surfing around the Internet, when suddenly the network seemed to go down - and when trying to reboot the reboot process ended up in a good old UNIX terminal screen (white on black) saying: /etc/master.passwd: No such file or directory. -sh-2.05b# (Is that a shell beta version there?) a "ls -l /" produced a nice / directory listing without /etc. So: true, that passwd file is sure missing. Running: Mac OS X 10.3.2 Build 7D24 behind a router with firewall (everything invisible to the outside). Has anybody ever heard of such a a) system behavior (auto-vanishing /etc) b) attack from outside c) ??? TIA, Roland Jakschewitz -------------------------------------------------------------- Fon: 09127-9651 665 Fax: 09127-9651 664 -------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.Abstract-Visions.de -------------------------------------------------------------- From conrad at yoders.org Wed Feb 11 12:45:23 2004 From: conrad at yoders.org (Conrad G T Yoder) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:48 2005 Subject: /etc suddenly vanished In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At 2/11/2004 3:42 PM -0500, Roland Jakschewitz wrote: > > sounds like a dumb UNIX joke, but that's exactly what happened: > I was "doing nothing", just surfing around the Internet, when suddenly > the network seemed to go down - and when trying to reboot the reboot > process ended up in a good old UNIX terminal screen (white on black) > saying: > > /etc/master.passwd: No such file or directory. > -sh-2.05b# > > (Is that a shell beta version there?) a "ls -l /" produced a nice / > directory listing without /etc. > So: true, that passwd file is sure missing. /etc is a symlink to /private/etc - is that directory still there? If so, just re-add the symlink. I can't say what might have caused it to disappear, though. -Conrad From bill at celestial.com Wed Feb 11 12:46:10 2004 From: bill at celestial.com (Bill Campbell) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:48 2005 Subject: /etc suddenly vanished In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20040211204610.GB64389@alexis.mi.celestial.com> On Wed, Feb 11, 2004, Roland Jakschewitz wrote: >Hi, > >sounds like a dumb UNIX joke, but that's exactly what happened: >I was "doing nothing", just surfing around the Internet, when suddenly >the network seemed to go down - and when trying to reboot the reboot >process ended up in a good old UNIX terminal screen (white on black) >saying: It may well be just a missing symbolic link. /etc is normally a symlink to /private/etc. Bill -- INTERNET: bill@Celestial.COM Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX: (206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ Cutting the space budget really restores my faith in humanity. It eliminates dreams, goals, and ideals and lets us get straight to the business of hate, debauchery, and self-annihilation. -- Johnny Hart From jonas at zeus.ugent.be Wed Feb 11 12:47:57 2004 From: jonas at zeus.ugent.be (Jonas Maebe) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:48 2005 Subject: /etc suddenly vanished In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <92AE3150-5CD3-11D8-8125-003065D3FF28@zeus.ugent.be> On 11 feb 2004, at 21:42, Roland Jakschewitz wrote: > Has anybody ever heard of such a > a) system behavior (auto-vanishing /etc) No, but note that on Mac OS X /etc is simply a symlink to /private/etc: lrwxr-xr-x 1 root admin 11 17 Nov 10:27 /etc -> private/etc Maybe simply recreating will work. I would check my drive with DiskWarrior or so as well, though. Jonas From Roland at Jakschewitz.de Wed Feb 11 12:58:41 2004 From: Roland at Jakschewitz.de (Roland Jakschewitz) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:48 2005 Subject: /etc suddenly vanished Message-ID: <1263CF05-5CD5-11D8-8CEA-0030656F9CCA@Jakschewitz.de> The symlink was gone, and, no, dumb me, I haven't checked /private, was too quick to recover. My main objective now is to know how to prevent this from happening again. -r Am 11.02.2004 um 21:45 schrieb Lance Ogletree: > Is the directory gone or is the symlink gone? > /etc is link to /private/etc > Have you checked /private for the etc directory? > > > On Feb 11, 2004, at 2:42 PM, Roland Jakschewitz wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> sounds like a dumb UNIX joke, but that's exactly what happened: >> I was "doing nothing", just surfing around the Internet, when >> suddenly the network seemed to go down - and when trying to reboot >> the reboot process ended up in a good old UNIX terminal screen (white >> on black) saying: >> >> /etc/master.passwd: No such file or directory. >> -sh-2.05b# >> >> (Is that a shell beta version there?) a "ls -l /" produced a nice / >> directory listing without /etc. >> So: true, that passwd file is sure missing. >> >> Running: Mac OS X 10.3.2 Build 7D24 behind a router with firewall >> (everything invisible to the outside). >> >> Has anybody ever heard of such a >> a) system behavior (auto-vanishing /etc) >> b) attack from outside >> c) ??? >> >> >> TIA, >> Roland Jakschewitz >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------- >> Fon: 09127-9651 665 >> Fax: 09127-9651 664 >> -------------------------------------------------------------- >> http://www.Abstract-Visions.de >> -------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> _______________________________________________ >> MacOSX-admin mailing list >> MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com >> http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin >> > __________________________________ > > Lance Ogletree > Sr. Macintosh Systems Administrator > Educational Technology > Rice University > 6100 Main Street MS 119 > Houston, TX 77005 > (713) 348-4008 > __________________________________ > From ssen at opendarwin.org Wed Feb 11 13:15:42 2004 From: ssen at opendarwin.org (Shantonu Sen) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:48 2005 Subject: /etc suddenly vanished In-Reply-To: <1263CF05-5CD5-11D8-8CEA-0030656F9CCA@Jakschewitz.de> References: <1263CF05-5CD5-11D8-8CEA-0030656F9CCA@Jakschewitz.de> Message-ID: <72F512AB-5CD7-11D8-8726-003065FC4CDE@opendarwin.org> Some .pkg-style packages overwrite the symlink /etc with a directory /etc. You should look in /Library/Receipts for third-party packages that may have done this to you. Shantonu On Feb 11, 2004, at 12:58 PM, Roland Jakschewitz wrote: > The symlink was gone, > and, no, dumb me, I haven't checked /private, was too quick to recover. > > My main objective now is to know how to prevent this from happening > again. > -r > > Am 11.02.2004 um 21:45 schrieb Lance Ogletree: > >> Is the directory gone or is the symlink gone? >> /etc is link to /private/etc >> Have you checked /private for the etc directory? >> >> >> On Feb 11, 2004, at 2:42 PM, Roland Jakschewitz wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> sounds like a dumb UNIX joke, but that's exactly what happened: >>> I was "doing nothing", just surfing around the Internet, when >>> suddenly the network seemed to go down - and when trying to reboot >>> the reboot process ended up in a good old UNIX terminal screen >>> (white on black) saying: >>> >>> /etc/master.passwd: No such file or directory. >>> -sh-2.05b# >>> >>> (Is that a shell beta version there?) a "ls -l /" produced a nice / >>> directory listing without /etc. >>> So: true, that passwd file is sure missing. >>> >>> Running: Mac OS X 10.3.2 Build 7D24 behind a router with firewall >>> (everything invisible to the outside). >>> >>> Has anybody ever heard of such a >>> a) system behavior (auto-vanishing /etc) >>> b) attack from outside >>> c) ??? >>> >>> >>> TIA, >>> Roland Jakschewitz >>> >>> -------------------------------------------------------------- >>> Fon: 09127-9651 665 >>> Fax: 09127-9651 664 >>> -------------------------------------------------------------- >>> http://www.Abstract-Visions.de >>> -------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> MacOSX-admin mailing list >>> MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com >>> http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin >>> >> __________________________________ >> >> Lance Ogletree >> Sr. Macintosh Systems Administrator >> Educational Technology >> Rice University >> 6100 Main Street MS 119 >> Houston, TX 77005 >> (713) 348-4008 >> __________________________________ >> > > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-admin mailing list > MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin From shoop at iwiring.net Wed Feb 11 13:21:13 2004 From: shoop at iwiring.net (Dan Shoop) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:48 2005 Subject: pismo cpu upgrade In-Reply-To: <0A8232D7-5CC6-11D8-B0E9-0003939DAA98@richcreations.com> References: <0A8232D7-5CC6-11D8-B0E9-0003939DAA98@richcreations.com> Message-ID: At 11:11 AM -0800 2/11/04, Rich Simpson wrote: >I have a Powerbook G3 firewire (pismo), running OS X 10.3, It has >60GB HD 512MB ram. I use this powerbook for audio recording, and >would like to use garage band, but I only seem to be able to play 4 >tracks at a time. the system requirements say G3 600 is needed (G4 >for software instruments). this is the only software I use that >needs a faster computer then I have. I was thinking about getting >either a Powerlogix bluechip 500mhz G4, or a Powerlogix bluechip >900mhz G3, so I guess I am asking, which would be better for using >garage band: >G4 500 or G3 900. I'm not sure what sorts of calculations GarageBand does (many Ints or many Floats) but would lean towards the G4. G4's are also required for certain types of software requiring Altivec support. -- -dhan ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Dan Shoop shoop@iwiring.net Consulting Internet Architect shoop@mac.com AIM: iWiring pgp key fingerprint: FAC0 9434 B5A5 24A8 D0AF 12B1 7840 3BE7 3736 DE0B iWiring designs and supports Internet systems and networks based on Mac OS X, unix(tm), and Open Source applications technologies and offers 24x7, guaranteed support to registered clients. How can we help? From shoop at iwiring.net Wed Feb 11 13:27:09 2004 From: shoop at iwiring.net (Dan Shoop) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:48 2005 Subject: pismo cpu upgrade (for audio) In-Reply-To: <64B40129-5CC8-11D8-8D86-0050E460471E@uvm.edu> References: <64B40129-5CC8-11D8-8D86-0050E460471E@uvm.edu> Message-ID: At 2:27 PM -0500 2/11/04, Michael Bovee wrote: >On Wednesday, February 11, 2004, at 02:11 PM, Rich Simpson wrote: > >>I have a Powerbook G3 firewire (pismo), running OS X 10.3, It has >>60GB HD 512MB ram. I use this powerbook for audio recording, and >>would like to use garage band, but I only seem to be able to play 4 >>tracks at a time. the system requirements say G3 600 is needed (G4 >>for software instruments). this is the only software I use that >>needs a faster computer then I have. I was thinking about getting >>either a Powerlogix bluechip 500mhz G4, or a Powerlogix bluechip >>900mhz G3, so I guess I am asking, which would be better for using >>garage band: >>G4 500 or G3 900. > >I'm no expert, but keep in mind that the speed of the hard drive is >also a crucial factor, here, so my best advice would be to buy a >faster internal (or external) drive, assuming your current one is >only 4200rpm. Unfortunately, laptop drives are commonly only >4200rpm. You want at least a 5400 rpm drive, and preferably 7200rpm >for multitrack audio applications. I believe you will find this is >even more important than the processor speed. Audio-related mailing >lists will be of benefit here too. Yes, a faster drive will make a big difference in I/O bottlenecks, but it sounds like the G4 is necessary for synthesizing instruments. 2.5" HD's are cheap these days and I'd include one in your upgrade plans. The faster disk will also probably have a bigger cache as well, so overall your I/O performance will increase. At some point though the slow bus speed of the Pismo will catch up with you, from an I/O perspective. For Integer operations the 900MHz G3 may be as fast as the 500Mhz G4, but the G4 will excel in floating point and other operations that I'd expect GarageBand will take advantage of. The fact that it says that a G4 is required for sw instruments would seem to direct me to that upgrade over the G3. You might ask the PowerLogix folks their thoughts and experience. Never be shy to talk to the vendor ;) >Maybe Dan Shoop will comment on this as well. Wow, first time I was actually "invited" to a thread here I think ;) -- -dhan ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Dan Shoop shoop@iwiring.net Consulting Internet Architect shoop@mac.com AIM: iWiring pgp key fingerprint: FAC0 9434 B5A5 24A8 D0AF 12B1 7840 3BE7 3736 DE0B iWiring designs and supports Internet systems and networks based on Mac OS X, unix(tm), and Open Source applications technologies and offers 24x7, guaranteed support to registered clients. How can we help? From shoop at iwiring.net Wed Feb 11 13:30:02 2004 From: shoop at iwiring.net (Dan Shoop) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:48 2005 Subject: enet address In-Reply-To: <002b01c3f0dc$bb7d5390$1b8d4e86@gm.mda.mil> References: <22A64332-5B60-11D8-9286-00306544D642@mac.com> <006d01c3f026$fdab47b0$1b8d4e86@gm.mda.mil> <002b01c3f0dc$bb7d5390$1b8d4e86@gm.mda.mil> Message-ID: At 2:22 PM -0600 2/11/04, Bob Nance wrote: > > At 4:41 PM -0600 2/10/04, Bob Nance wrote: >> > > nvedit > >> >I haven't done FORTH since I learned it on the Sinclair. I can see what >you >> >are doing here, but I don't think I have all of the same methods. > >> Oh FORTH was around long before that... > >Yes, but I wasn't! > >> But OpenFirmware isn't true FORTH, it's just *FORTH-like* > >So I've discovered. I can't find a definitive guide to the words in the >firmware, so I don't know how to proceed. I think the problem is that OF is more a concept that a definition. However you can google and find a lot of good info. OF is also used on Suns and other RISC systems. > > This most certainly doesn't work on all Mac's w OpenFirmware. Can't >> say if it should work with your Mac or not. > >True, true. But not a lot of help. I haven't had any luck coercing the >address. Then it may not be possible on that specific hw. Hard to say. > > > I am using the VT terminal sequences for just about everything, >> >but CTRL-Y doesn't delete a line. >> >> I don't believe it uses these. > >Pretty close, anyway. I have discovered that I can change the nvramrc value >from the shell of a regular session: > >% nvram -p > nvram.current >% vi nvram.current > (get rid of things I'm not changing) > (edit the "nvramrc" line) > (save and quit) >% sudo nvram -f nvram.current >password: (my password) You might want to be careful doing this, as some values are displayed by '-p' as a single long line, and not everything seems to get dumped. Just suggesting caution. You can also hook a terminal to the system for debugging. -- -dhan ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Dan Shoop shoop@iwiring.net Consulting Internet Architect shoop@mac.com AIM: iWiring pgp key fingerprint: FAC0 9434 B5A5 24A8 D0AF 12B1 7840 3BE7 3736 DE0B iWiring designs and supports Internet systems and networks based on Mac OS X, unix(tm), and Open Source applications technologies and offers 24x7, guaranteed support to registered clients. How can we help? From henry at martintechs.com Wed Feb 11 14:02:42 2004 From: henry at martintechs.com (Henry Martin) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:48 2005 Subject: enet address In-Reply-To: <006d01c3f026$fdab47b0$1b8d4e86@gm.mda.mil> Message-ID: <039EF292-5CDE-11D8-8548-000393467F2E@martintechs.com> On Tuesday, February 10, 2004, at 04:41 PM, Bob Nance wrote: > Selected the devalias "enet" > "local-mac-address" is a property as .properties shows, but the second > line > fails the "eval" with > "local-mac-address", unknown word > ok > so I am guessing that it stops running at that point, so I never get > to your > fancy 12-byte encoding method that comes next - but it looks pretty > cool! > > Any ideas? Did you enter "local-mac-address" or " local-mac-address"? The space after the initial " is required. From Bob.Nance at CiTNetworks.com Wed Feb 11 14:18:40 2004 From: Bob.Nance at CiTNetworks.com (Bob Nance) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:48 2005 Subject: enet address References: <039EF292-5CDE-11D8-8548-000393467F2E@martintechs.com> Message-ID: <00e301c3f0ed$0146d300$1b8d4e86@gm.mda.mil> > Did you enter "local-mac-address" or " local-mac-address"? The space > after the initial " is required. Well, there it was, in plain view; a space after the initial quote - silly me! I have made the correction and the "nvramrc eval" passes with an "ok" The mac address is what I want it to be in the Network Preferences->Ethernet chiclet and the network responds as it should. In all, a great success! Thanks for all of the help (and patience) -Bob From mike at pinataperspective.com Wed Feb 11 14:30:32 2004 From: mike at pinataperspective.com (Mike Friedman) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:48 2005 Subject: pismo cpu upgrade In-Reply-To: <0A8232D7-5CC6-11D8-B0E9-0003939DAA98@richcreations.com> References: <0A8232D7-5CC6-11D8-B0E9-0003939DAA98@richcreations.com> Message-ID: Consider, however, whether it's not just as cost-effective to buy a new iBook G4 than to buy a processor upgrade AND a new hard disk. You could sell your Pismo, buy an iBook G4 and not be out any more money, more or less. Plus you'd have a new computer with USB 2.0 and such. At $300 for the processor upgrade and another $300 for a good sized 2.5" hard disk, you're a good part of the way there. Just a thought. On Feb 11, 2004, at 11:11 AM, Rich Simpson wrote: > I have a Powerbook G3 firewire (pismo), running OS X 10.3, It has 60GB > HD 512MB ram. I use this powerbook for audio recording, and would like > to use garage band, but I only seem to be able to play 4 tracks at a > time. the system requirements say G3 600 is needed (G4 for software > instruments). this is the only software I use that needs a faster > computer then I have. I was thinking about getting either a Powerlogix > bluechip 500mhz G4, or a Powerlogix bluechip 900mhz G3, so I guess I > am asking, which would be better for using garage band: > G4 500 or G3 900. > > -Rich > > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-admin mailing list > MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin > > ==================================================== "Heart and humor, and humility, he said, will lighten up your heavy load." --Joni Mitchell, 'Refuge of the Roads,' from "Hejira", 1976 From rpeskin at rlpcon.com Wed Feb 11 14:39:28 2004 From: rpeskin at rlpcon.com (Richard Peskin) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:48 2005 Subject: MacOSX-admin Digest, Vol 2, Issue 11 Message-ID: <269DEBF0-5CE3-11D8-A202-000A95A6858C@rlpcon.com> On Feb 11, 2004, at 3:00 PM, Rich Simpson wrote: > I have a Powerbook G3 firewire (pismo), running OS X 10.3, It has 60GB > HD 512MB ram. I use this powerbook for audio recording, and would like > to use garage band, but I only seem to be able to play 4 tracks at a > time. the system requirements say G3 600 is needed (G4 for software > instruments). this is the only software I use that needs a faster > computer then I have. I was thinking about getting either a Powerlogix > bluechip 500mhz G4, or a Powerlogix bluechip 900mhz G3, so I guess I > am asking, which would be better for using garage band: > G4 500 or G3 900. > My G4 Pismo upgrade failed recently (over heating). PowerLogix replaced it with a 900mhz G3. They told me they no longer want to use the 500mhz G4. --dick peskin Richard L. Peskin, RLP Consulting, Londonderry, VT http://www.rlpcon.com http://www.caip.rutgers.edu/~peskin From macosx at wooz.org Wed Feb 11 14:59:45 2004 From: macosx at wooz.org (Barry Warsaw) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:48 2005 Subject: pismo cpu upgrade (for audio) In-Reply-To: References: <64B40129-5CC8-11D8-8D86-0050E460471E@uvm.edu> Message-ID: <1076535895.24104.19.camel@geddy> On Wed, 2004-02-11 at 16:27, Dan Shoop wrote: > You might ask the PowerLogix folks their thoughts and experience. > Never be shy to talk to the vendor ;) I did this recently and found the PL folks to be very helpful. They didn't have direct experience with my main audio app (see below) but they did answer all my email questions very promptly and in detail. FWIW, I'm planning on upgrading my 533MHz DA G4 to a dual 1.2 7457. I primarily run Cubase SX 2.0 and am really finding that I need more horsepower (I have lots of RAM and fast disks). I'm probably going to pick up iLife at some point, but I need to upgrade to Panther first :). -Barry From bill at celestial.com Wed Feb 11 15:10:08 2004 From: bill at celestial.com (Bill Campbell) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:48 2005 Subject: /etc suddenly vanished In-Reply-To: <72F512AB-5CD7-11D8-8726-003065FC4CDE@opendarwin.org> References: <1263CF05-5CD5-11D8-8CEA-0030656F9CCA@Jakschewitz.de> <72F512AB-5CD7-11D8-8726-003065FC4CDE@opendarwin.org> Message-ID: <20040211231008.GB17199@alexis.mi.celestial.com> On Wed, Feb 11, 2004, Shantonu Sen wrote: >Some .pkg-style packages overwrite the symlink /etc with a directory >/etc. You should look in /Library/Receipts for third-party packages >that may have done this to you. Does OS X have anything similar to the immutable bit that Linux has in ext2 and ext3 file systems? Bill -- INTERNET: bill@Celestial.COM Bill Campbell; Celestial Systems, Inc. UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX: (206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ Memoirs -- Bill Clinton is getting $12 million for his memoirs, and his wife Hillary got $8 million for hers. That's $20 million for memories from two people who for eight years repeatedly testified they couldn't remember anything. From subscriber at gloaming.com Wed Feb 11 15:34:07 2004 From: subscriber at gloaming.com (James Bucanek) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:48 2005 Subject: /etc suddenly vanished In-Reply-To: <20040211231008.GB17199@alexis.mi.celestial.com> Message-ID: Bill Campbell wrote on Wednesday, February 11, 2004: >On Wed, Feb 11, 2004, Shantonu Sen wrote: >>Some .pkg-style packages overwrite the symlink /etc with a directory >>/etc. You should look in /Library/Receipts for third-party packages >>that may have done this to you. > >Does OS X have anything similar to the immutable bit that Linux >has in ext2 and ext3 file systems? Yes, but I wouldn't go setting it. You're going to have a devil of a time upgrading the OS. ;) /etc shouldn't just "disappear". I'd worry about the integrity of the volume. ______________________________________________________ James Bucanek From tomj at uci.edu Wed Feb 11 15:46:40 2004 From: tomj at uci.edu (Tom Jennings) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:48 2005 Subject: /etc suddenly vanished In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1076543200.17189.1285.camel@aether.local> On Wed, 2004-02-11 at 15:34, James Bucanek wrote: > /etc shouldn't just "disappear". I'd worry about the integrity of the volume. Eh, it could be just an rm. Why is such a critical thing a symlink in the first place, instead of an directory? I assume there's a reason behind it. From rich at richcreations.com Wed Feb 11 15:48:51 2004 From: rich at richcreations.com (Rich Simpson) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:48 2005 Subject: pismo cpu upgrade (for audio) Message-ID: >> >>> I have a Powerbook G3 firewire (pismo), running OS X 10.3, It has >>> 60GB >>> HD 512MB ram. I use this powerbook for audio recording, and would >>> like >>> to use garage band, but I only seem to be able to play 4 tracks at a >>> time. the system requirements say G3 600 is needed (G4 for software >>> instruments). this is the only software I use that needs a faster >>> computer then I have. I was thinking about getting either a >>> Powerlogix >>> bluechip 500mhz G4, or a Powerlogix bluechip 900mhz G3, so I guess I >>> am asking, which would be better for using garage band: >>> G4 500 or G3 900. >> >> I'm no expert, but keep in mind that the speed of the hard drive is >> also a crucial factor, here, so my best advice would be to buy a >> faster >> internal (or external) drive, assuming your current one is only >> 4200rpm. Unfortunately, laptop drives are commonly only 4200rpm. You >> want at least a 5400 rpm drive, and preferably 7200rpm for multitrack >> audio applications. I believe you will find this is even more >> important than the processor speed. Audio-related mailing lists will >> be >> of benefit here too. >> Maybe Dan Shoop will comment on this as well. > > Consider, however, whether it's not just as cost-effective to buy a > new iBook G4 than to buy a processor upgrade AND a new hard disk. You > could sell your Pismo, buy an iBook G4 and not be out any more money, > more or less. Plus you'd have a new computer with USB 2.0 and such. At > $300 for the processor upgrade and another $300 for a good sized 2.5" > hard disk, you're a good part of the way there. > > Just a thought. First, I stated that my pismo has a 60GB HD, this is a brand new 5400RPM drive, and was not cheap, has 2MB cache, disk speed does not seem to be the problem, yet anyway... I would like to use software instruments, but really required. I guess I meant to ask, they say I need a 600mhz G3, or a G4, does that mean that a 500mhz G4 would do? or do they mean 600mhz G3 or 600mhz G4? in which case then I prob be better off with the 900mhz G3 and not have software instruments, as they need alti-vec, One thing that brought this up is that powerlogix stated on their site that the G3 900 upgrade had better speed doing tasks that used alti-vec then the G4 500 (is this even possible, can you even do alti-vec with a G3?) And I really like my pismo, and already just dumped a bunch of $ into it, new battery, new hd, cdr-w/dvd-rom. -Rich From reedl at westwind.com Wed Feb 11 15:58:36 2004 From: reedl at westwind.com (Reed Laughlin) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:48 2005 Subject: More than 7 SMB Shares? Too bad for you... In-Reply-To: <200402112000.i1BK0Bop025330@slowbro.omnigroup.com> References: <200402112000.i1BK0Bop025330@slowbro.omnigroup.com> Message-ID: <3482DAC2-5CEE-11D8-AB4C-00039312BCC4@westwind.com> How long are the share names? Do they have any spaces in them? I ran into a problem with shares with names >15 characters not showing up in the share selection dialog. If the full path was specified in the Connect to server dialog, the share could be accessed normally. If the share was >15 characters AND had spaces, I couldn't find any way to mount the share point with 10.2. In that case, using Thursby's DAVE was our solution. I don't know if 10.3 fixes this. -Reed Laughlin Westwind Computing On Wed, 11 Feb 2004 12:18:54 -0600, Nicholas Riley wrote: > On Wed, Feb 11, 2004 at 10:07:24AM -0800, Brian Warsing wrote: >> Perhaps someone can confirm this Jaguar caveat... >> >> When users do a "Connect to..." looking for an SMB share on a specific >> server, after auth, they are offered a selection of shares from the >> pull-down. Is this max'd out at 7 shares? >> >> We have more, and specifing the full UNC to one of the shares that >> does not appear, works but is not user-friendly. >> Server is win2k serving all shares identically as SMB/AFP. > > I see over 30 shares (all of them) on one of our Win2K servers when > coming from 10.2.8, and the same under 10.3.2. From tomj at uci.edu Wed Feb 11 16:09:46 2004 From: tomj at uci.edu (Tom Jennings) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:48 2005 Subject: /etc suddenly vanished In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1076544586.17217.1290.camel@aether.local> On Wed, 2004-02-11 at 12:42, Roland Jakschewitz wrote: > sounds like a dumb UNIX joke, but that's exactly what happened: > I was "doing nothing", just surfing around the Internet, when suddenly > the network seemed to go down - and when trying to reboot the reboot > process ended up in a good old UNIX terminal screen (white on black) > saying: > > /etc/master.passwd: No such file or directory. > -sh-2.05b# Precisely where did that text appear? Not in your browser window I assume... Just because it was easy, I did bash --version on my SuSE desktop machine: tomj@aether:~ bash --version GNU bash, version 2.05b.0(1)-release (i586-suse-linux) Copyright (C) 2002 Free Software Foundation, Inc. ... because I have to walk into the other room to do it on OSX 10.2. :-) So you had a bash shell running (possibly), are you *sure* it was 'doing nothing'? No accidental elbow on the keyboard? From Roland at Jakschewitz.de Wed Feb 11 16:23:53 2004 From: Roland at Jakschewitz.de (Roland Jakschewitz) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:48 2005 Subject: /etc suddenly vanished In-Reply-To: <1076544586.17217.1290.camel@aether.local> References: <1076544586.17217.1290.camel@aether.local> Message-ID: - no terminal running, definitely no accidental elbow "Screen" is what I wrote, meaning there was no window management alive anymore at that time in the shutdown process. It was a plain old (real old!) UNIX screen with only /etc/master.passwd: No such file or directory. -sh-2.05b# on the "top two lines" (of about 24). This was the only obvious thing running, no finder, no aqua, nothing (the second monitor was completely black). I'm sorry I didn't keep any logs before recovering. -r Am 12.02.2004 um 01:09 schrieb Tom Jennings: > On Wed, 2004-02-11 at 12:42, Roland Jakschewitz wrote: > >> sounds like a dumb UNIX joke, but that's exactly what happened: >> I was "doing nothing", just surfing around the Internet, when suddenly >> the network seemed to go down - and when trying to reboot the reboot >> process ended up in a good old UNIX terminal screen (white on black) >> saying: >> >> /etc/master.passwd: No such file or directory. >> -sh-2.05b# > > Precisely where did that text appear? Not in your browser window I > assume... > > Just because it was easy, I did bash --version on my SuSE desktop > machine: > > tomj@aether:~ bash --version > GNU bash, version 2.05b.0(1)-release (i586-suse-linux) > Copyright (C) 2002 Free Software Foundation, Inc. > > ... because I have to walk into the other room to do it on OSX 10.2. > :-) > > So you had a bash shell running (possibly), are you *sure* it was > 'doing > nothing'? No accidental elbow on the keyboard? > > From tomj at uci.edu Wed Feb 11 16:37:06 2004 From: tomj at uci.edu (Tom Jennings) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:48 2005 Subject: /etc suddenly vanished In-Reply-To: References: <1076544586.17217.1290.camel@aether.local> Message-ID: <1076546226.17217.1298.camel@aether.local> On Wed, 2004-02-11 at 16:23, Roland Jakschewitz wrote: > - no terminal running, definitely no accidental elbow > > "Screen" is what I wrote, meaning there was no window management alive > anymore at that time in the shutdown process. > It was a plain old (real old!) UNIX screen with only > > /etc/master.passwd: No such file or directory. > -sh-2.05b# > > on the "top two lines" (of about 24). > This was the only obvious thing running, no finder, no aqua, nothing > (the second monitor was completely black). Sounds like X bombed out, as likely due to the 'symptom' of missing /etc as directly from whatever *caused* that symptom. OK, that's officially weird :-) If ln -s /private/etc /etc fixes it, well, maybe the trouble was very localized but I'd be a little paranoid after that I admit. Look in /var/log/messages and/or other logs and see if anything happened at that clock time, if you can recall it. ('date' right at crash time is harmless, but obviously not a helpful hint now.) Wish I could help more, sorry. From magill at mcgillsociety.org Wed Feb 11 16:39:02 2004 From: magill at mcgillsociety.org (William H. Magill) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:48 2005 Subject: /etc suddenly vanished In-Reply-To: <1076543200.17189.1285.camel@aether.local> References: <1076543200.17189.1285.camel@aether.local> Message-ID: On 11 Feb, 2004, at 18:46, Tom Jennings wrote: > On Wed, 2004-02-11 at 15:34, James Bucanek wrote: > >> /etc shouldn't just "disappear". I'd worry about the integrity of >> the volume. > > Eh, it could be just an rm. > > Why is such a critical thing a symlink in the first place, instead of > an > directory? I assume there's a reason behind it. If I remember correctly, it was System V which decided the idea of /private was a good idea many years ago. (The idea been around for quite a while now.) NeXT adopted it and that became Rhapsody. Then systems which wanted to maintain compatibility with both BSD and System V put links in. One of the reasons was security, another was related to "shared" systems -- /private was stuff that was unique to, lets call it, the server. Which is why root's home directory is there. While everything else was mountable by, and visible to the clients. It's just another one of those "Unix things" which is not uncommon unless your only experience is with Solaris or Linux. As for a symlink -- why not? There is nothing more or less "reliable" about something being a link or a hard mount. ... there was a time when one used multiple disks to hold each major directory because no individual disk was large enough to hold an entire system! That's why symlinks, mounts and all that good stuff were developed in the first place. Unix was developed on TINY systems -- where a BIG disk was measured in K not in meg! That is why the "base unit of measure" in Unix is 512 bytes... that was the size of a single track. T.T.F.N. William H. Magill # Beige G3 - Rev A motherboard - 768 Meg # Flat-panel iMac (2.1) 800MHz - Super Drive - 768 Meg # PWS433a [Alpha 21164 Rev 7.2 (EV56)- 64 Meg]- Tru64 5.1a # XP1000 - [Alpha EV6] magill@mcgillsociety.org magill@acm.org magill@mac.com From Roland at Jakschewitz.de Wed Feb 11 16:50:39 2004 From: Roland at Jakschewitz.de (Roland Jakschewitz) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:48 2005 Subject: /etc suddenly vanished In-Reply-To: <1076546226.17217.1298.camel@aether.local> References: <1076544586.17217.1290.camel@aether.local> <1076546226.17217.1298.camel@aether.local> Message-ID: <7A5B7B5E-5CF5-11D8-B274-0030656F9CCA@Jakschewitz.de> "a little paranoid" describes my state rather well ;-) Another aspect that occurred to me is: since the shell prompt was "-sh-2.05b#" AND the current directory was "/" I do suspect that I ended up as root here (my own bash prompt would be "G3pbX:/ rlj$" ) - making the repair easier but might be seen as a minor security problem by some . Thanks for the sympathy ;-) -r Am 12.02.2004 um 01:37 schrieb Tom Jennings: > On Wed, 2004-02-11 at 16:23, Roland Jakschewitz wrote: >> - no terminal running, definitely no accidental elbow >> >> "Screen" is what I wrote, meaning there was no window management >> alive >> anymore at that time in the shutdown process. >> It was a plain old (real old!) UNIX screen with only >> >> /etc/master.passwd: No such file or directory. >> -sh-2.05b# >> >> on the "top two lines" (of about 24). >> This was the only obvious thing running, no finder, no aqua, nothing >> (the second monitor was completely black). > > Sounds like X bombed out, as likely due to the 'symptom' of missing > /etc > as directly from whatever *caused* that symptom. > > OK, that's officially weird :-) If ln -s /private/etc /etc fixes it, > well, maybe the trouble was very localized but I'd be a little paranoid > after that I admit. Look in /var/log/messages and/or other logs and see > if anything happened at that clock time, if you can recall it. ('date' > right at crash time is harmless, but obviously not a helpful hint now.) > > Wish I could help more, sorry. > > From shawn at freetimesw.com Wed Feb 11 17:11:16 2004 From: shawn at freetimesw.com (Shawn Erickson) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:48 2005 Subject: /etc suddenly vanished In-Reply-To: <7A5B7B5E-5CF5-11D8-B274-0030656F9CCA@Jakschewitz.de> References: <1076544586.17217.1290.camel@aether.local> <1076546226.17217.1298.camel@aether.local> <7A5B7B5E-5CF5-11D8-B274-0030656F9CCA@Jakschewitz.de> Message-ID: <5B50AD3C-5CF8-11D8-AC03-000A95A6C778@freetimesw.com> On Feb 11, 2004, at 4:50 PM, Roland Jakschewitz wrote: > "a little paranoid" describes my state rather well ;-) > > Another aspect that occurred to me is: since the shell prompt was > "-sh-2.05b#" > AND the current directory was "/" I do suspect that I ended up as root > here > (my own bash prompt would be "G3pbX:/ rlj$" ) - > making the repair easier but might be seen as a minor security problem > by some . Your system likely booted into single user mode (you can enter it by holding down command-s during boot[1]). It exists to deal with issues such as what you hit but requires local access to the console (screen and keyboard directly attached to system). Using open firmware settings[2] one can disable single user mode for those situations that require more security. -Shawn [1] http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=106388 [2] http://www.apple.com/downloads/macosx/apple/openfirmwarepassword.html From leonvs at occam.com Wed Feb 11 17:12:29 2004 From: leonvs at occam.com (Leon Towns-von Stauber) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:48 2005 Subject: /etc suddenly vanished In-Reply-To: References: <1076543200.17189.1285.camel@aether.local> Message-ID: <86D88E3A-5CF8-11D8-899B-003065A76B44@occam.com> > If I remember correctly, it was System V which decided the idea of > /private was a good idea many years ago. (The idea been around for > quite a while now.) NeXT adopted it and that became Rhapsody. Then > systems which wanted to maintain compatibility with both BSD and > System V put links in. > > One of the reasons was security, another was related to "shared" > systems -- /private > was stuff that was unique to, lets call it, the server. Which is why > root's home directory is there. While everything else was mountable > by, and visible to the clients. > > It's just another one of those "Unix things" which is not uncommon > unless your only experience is with Solaris or Linux. Which other systems have you seen /private on? I've only ever seen it on NeXT-derived operating systems. The reason NeXT did it was due to NetBoot, to separate out the things that each client needed for itself (similar to how you described it, but for the client, not the server). Each client needed its copy of /private (for device files, swapfiles, logs, spool files, etc.), while everything else could be shared with other clients (and mounted read-only, if desired). _____________________________________________________________ Leon Towns-von Stauber http://www.occam.com/leonvs/ "We have not come to save you, but you will not die in vain!" From magill at mcgillsociety.org Wed Feb 11 17:49:23 2004 From: magill at mcgillsociety.org (William H. Magill) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:48 2005 Subject: /etc suddenly vanished In-Reply-To: <86D88E3A-5CF8-11D8-899B-003065A76B44@occam.com> References: <1076543200.17189.1285.camel@aether.local> <86D88E3A-5CF8-11D8-899B-003065A76B44@occam.com> Message-ID: On 11 Feb, 2004, at 20:12, Leon Towns-von Stauber wrote: >> If I remember correctly, it was System V which decided the idea of >> /private was a good idea many years ago. (The idea been around for >> quite a while now.) NeXT adopted it and that became Rhapsody. Then >> systems which wanted to maintain compatibility with both BSD and >> System V put links in. >> >> One of the reasons was security, another was related to "shared" >> systems -- /private >> was stuff that was unique to, lets call it, the server. Which is why >> root's home directory is there. While everything else was mountable >> by, and visible to the clients. >> >> It's just another one of those "Unix things" which is not uncommon >> unless your only experience is with Solaris or Linux. > > Which other systems have you seen /private on? I've only ever > seen it on NeXT-derived operating systems. > > The reason NeXT did it was due to NetBoot, to separate out the > things that each client needed for itself (similar to how you > described it, but for the client, not the server). Each client > needed its copy of /private (for device files, swapfiles, logs, > spool files, etc.), while everything else could be shared with > other clients (and mounted read-only, if desired). I "think" I had it on a 3B2 system that was the server for an ATT StarLan system (2bT - before 10bT), but that was long ago... but I seem to remember it having a disk setup much like Netboot. Ultrix had /var for the same reason (diskless clients). The VMS cluster setup used the same idea. Tru64 Unix evolved to use /cluster for everything once the ported the VMS cluster code to it. T.T.F.N. William H. Magill # Beige G3 - Rev A motherboard - 768 Meg # Flat-panel iMac (2.1) 800MHz - Super Drive - 768 Meg # PWS433a [Alpha 21164 Rev 7.2 (EV56)- 64 Meg]- Tru64 5.1a # XP1000 - [Alpha EV6] magill@mcgillsociety.org magill@acm.org magill@mac.com From shoop at iwiring.net Wed Feb 11 17:55:11 2004 From: shoop at iwiring.net (Dan Shoop) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:48 2005 Subject: pismo cpu upgrade (for audio) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: >I would like to use software instruments, but really required. >I guess I meant to ask, they say I need a 600mhz G3, or a G4, does >that mean that a 500mhz G4 would do? Sounds like a "yes". > or do they mean 600mhz G3 or 600mhz G4? No, they would have stated it as such. > in which case then I prob be better off with the 900mhz G3 and not >have software instruments, as they need alti-vec, One thing that >brought this up is that powerlogix stated on their site that the G3 >900 upgrade had better speed doing tasks that used alti-vec then the >G4 500 (is this even possible, can you even do alti-vec with a G3?) No, a G3 can't do Altivec instructions. However a fast G3 can be as good of a performer as a slow G4 for many functions. My concern in terms of performance would be the rest of the component circuitry and bus speeds. This may prove more limiting in terms of data performance. >And I really like my pismo, and already just dumped a bunch of $ >into it, new battery, new hd, cdr-w/dvd-rom. Well it's a far cry form a new machine, but is still a good workhorse. I have an old Wallstreet/250 that's been doing nicely running OS X Server 10.2 and it has reasonable response. Faster HDs do help, but also hope you plan on max'ing it's memory as well. Memory is the best way to spend performance dollars. -- -dhan ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Dan Shoop shoop@iwiring.net Consulting Internet Architect shoop@mac.com AIM: iWiring pgp key fingerprint: FAC0 9434 B5A5 24A8 D0AF 12B1 7840 3BE7 3736 DE0B iWiring designs and supports Internet systems and networks based on Mac OS X, unix(tm), and Open Source applications technologies and offers 24x7, guaranteed support to registered clients. How can we help? From rich at richcreations.com Wed Feb 11 19:22:00 2004 From: rich at richcreations.com (Rich Simpson) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:48 2005 Subject: pismo cpu upgrade (for audio) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9F25BED2-5D0A-11D8-8F00-0003939DAA98@richcreations.com> On Feb 11, 2004, at 5:55 PM, Dan Shoop wrote: >> I would like to use software instruments, but really required. >> I guess I meant to ask, they say I need a 600mhz G3, or a G4, does >> that mean that a 500mhz G4 would do? > > Sounds like a "yes". > >> or do they mean 600mhz G3 or 600mhz G4? > > No, they would have stated it as such. > >> in which case then I prob be better off with the 900mhz G3 and not >> have software instruments, as they need alti-vec, One thing that >> brought this up is that powerlogix stated on their site that the G3 >> 900 upgrade had better speed doing tasks that used alti-vec then the >> G4 500 (is this even possible, can you even do alti-vec with a G3?) > > No, a G3 can't do Altivec instructions. However a fast G3 can be as > good of a performer as a slow G4 for many functions. > > My concern in terms of performance would be the rest of the component > circuitry and bus speeds. This may prove more limiting in terms of > data performance. > >> And I really like my pismo, and already just dumped a bunch of $ >> into it, new battery, new hd, cdr-w/dvd-rom. > > Well it's a far cry form a new machine, but is still a good workhorse. > I have an old Wallstreet/250 that's been doing nicely running OS X > Server 10.2 and it has reasonable response. Faster HDs do help, but > also hope you plan on max'ing it's memory as well. Memory is the best > way to spend performance dollars. > -- > I have only put 512MB of ram in it (one sodimm), but I was going to add one more with the cpu upgrade, I really would like to get anouther year or two out of it, but I understand that it will never be a new mac, but it boots OS 9 (do any of the new macs?) and runs panther fine, I was just hoping to be able to work with more then 3 tracks in grageband 6-8 tracks would be nice, I do not need a lot... So if I understand correctly, the G4 upgrade may be better then the G3 (except that someone said they had a bad experience), the G4 is $100 cheaper(~$280) then the faster G3(~$380), I know my old slow bus (100mhz, same as the 500mhz G4 powerbooks I belive) my be the bottleneck in which case the actual improvement would be small, but I would have alti-vec correct, for whatever that is worth... I know I should by a new Powerbook, but I am set at this, just can not decide which to get. -Rich > -dhan > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > - > Dan Shoop > shoop@iwiring.net > Consulting Internet Architect > shoop@mac.com > AIM: iWiring > > pgp key fingerprint: FAC0 9434 B5A5 24A8 D0AF 12B1 7840 3BE7 3736 DE0B > > iWiring designs and supports Internet systems and networks based on > Mac OS X, unix(tm), and Open Source applications technologies and > offers 24x7, guaranteed support to registered clients. How can we help? > From shoop at iwiring.net Wed Feb 11 20:34:12 2004 From: shoop at iwiring.net (Dan Shoop) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:48 2005 Subject: pismo cpu upgrade (for audio) In-Reply-To: <9F25BED2-5D0A-11D8-8F00-0003939DAA98@richcreations.com> References: <9F25BED2-5D0A-11D8-8F00-0003939DAA98@richcreations.com> Message-ID: At 7:22 PM -0800 2/11/04, Rich Simpson wrote: >I have only put 512MB of ram in it (one sodimm), but I was going to >add one more with the cpu upgrade, There's always that computing mantra "buy more memory". It's true. > I really would like to get anouther year or two out of it, but I >understand that it will never be a new mac, but it boots OS 9 (do >any of the new macs?) and runs panther fine, I was just hoping to be >able to work with more then 3 tracks in grageband 6-8 tracks would >be nice, I do not need a lot... Well the extra tracks not only require extra memory but also require extra processing. >So if I understand correctly, the G4 upgrade may be better then the G3 I would think so. Many packages also require a G4 (iDVD, DVD Studio Pro) and the G4's Altivec will pay off for intense calculations, has a better pipeline for instructions, and even if not 'faster' will probably ramp up to speed better. > (except that someone said they had a bad experience), There's always someone ;) > the G4 is $100 cheaper(~$280) then the faster G3(~$380), Odd, but that saves you money. > I know my old slow bus (100mhz, same as the 500mhz G4 powerbooks I belive) Yes, after checking further I see that the Pismos received a rather nice speed bump on the bus comapred to the other Powerbook G3 models, so you luck out here. Of course while the bus is just as fast the data paths probably aren't as wide and fast as the PB G4's. The question that remains for me is if the narrower and slower data paths may limit the performance of the G4, but given it's lower clock speed this may not be an issue. (It may also be why it's not available faster.) > my be the bottleneck in which case the actual improvement would be >small, but I would have alti-vec correct, for whatever that is >worth... Well there are things that expect it. >I know I should by a new Powerbook, but I am set at this, just can >not decide which to get. Understood. And as I mentioned I've been using a Wallstreet for some years and while not as fast as my Powerbook G4 (which is now also showing signs of being long in the tooth) it still performs admirably well. There better life in old Mac hw than old WinTel hw. -- -dhan ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Dan Shoop shoop@iwiring.net Consulting Internet Architect shoop@mac.com AIM: iWiring pgp key fingerprint: FAC0 9434 B5A5 24A8 D0AF 12B1 7840 3BE7 3736 DE0B iWiring designs and supports Internet systems and networks based on Mac OS X, unix(tm), and Open Source applications technologies and offers 24x7, guaranteed support to registered clients. How can we help? From waltd at wdstudio.com Thu Feb 12 07:43:08 2004 From: waltd at wdstudio.com (Walter Lee Davis) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:48 2005 Subject: pismo cpu upgrade (for audio) In-Reply-To: <9F25BED2-5D0A-11D8-8F00-0003939DAA98@richcreations.com> References: <9F25BED2-5D0A-11D8-8F00-0003939DAA98@richcreations.com> Message-ID: <27B03BE6-5D72-11D8-9EA1-000393C48A5C@wdstudio.com> I have not owned a Pismo, but I did upgrade a WallStreet 292 with a PowerLogix BlueChip upgrade (forget the exact speed). It was much faster, but I had all sorts of problems installing Mac OS X on it. I ran everything from the public beta to 10.1.x on it before I got an iBook. The issues I had were both difficult installs (goes fine until nearly done, then black screen, never boots again until I reset the power manager, and has a messed up partial install) to black screen after sleep, have to reboot to get the backlight back on at all. I had heard all sorts of similar problems on various message boards, but persisted with this messy setup. I decided to try changing the RAM to see if that was the issue, and managed to fry the upgrade board with an errant static discharge. Replaced the original CPU and was astounded that not only did installs magically work properly, but none of my other problems repeated either. Overall the machine seemed to perform a little more smoothly, although that might just be perception on my part. Maybe the timing was off between the CPU and the rest of the HW with the upgrade in place. Walter On Feb 11, 2004, at 10:22 PM, Rich Simpson wrote: > > On Feb 11, 2004, at 5:55 PM, Dan Shoop wrote: > >>> I would like to use software instruments, but really required. >>> I guess I meant to ask, they say I need a 600mhz G3, or a G4, does >>> that mean that a 500mhz G4 would do? >> >> Sounds like a "yes". >> >>> or do they mean 600mhz G3 or 600mhz G4? >> >> No, they would have stated it as such. >> >>> in which case then I prob be better off with the 900mhz G3 and not >>> have software instruments, as they need alti-vec, One thing that >>> brought this up is that powerlogix stated on their site that the G3 >>> 900 upgrade had better speed doing tasks that used alti-vec then the >>> G4 500 (is this even possible, can you even do alti-vec with a G3?) >> >> No, a G3 can't do Altivec instructions. However a fast G3 can be as >> good of a performer as a slow G4 for many functions. >> >> My concern in terms of performance would be the rest of the component >> circuitry and bus speeds. This may prove more limiting in terms of >> data performance. >> >>> And I really like my pismo, and already just dumped a bunch of $ >>> into it, new battery, new hd, cdr-w/dvd-rom. >> >> Well it's a far cry form a new machine, but is still a good >> workhorse. I have an old Wallstreet/250 that's been doing nicely >> running OS X Server 10.2 and it has reasonable response. Faster HDs >> do help, but also hope you plan on max'ing it's memory as well. >> Memory is the best way to spend performance dollars. >> -- > I have only put 512MB of ram in it (one sodimm), but I was going to > add one more with the cpu upgrade, I really would like to get anouther > year or two out of it, but I understand that it will never be a new > mac, but it boots OS 9 (do any of the new macs?) and runs panther > fine, I was just hoping to be able to work with more then 3 tracks in > grageband 6-8 tracks would be nice, I do not need a lot... > > So if I understand correctly, the G4 upgrade may be better then the G3 > (except that someone said they had a bad experience), the G4 is $100 > cheaper(~$280) then the faster G3(~$380), I know my old slow bus > (100mhz, same as the 500mhz G4 powerbooks I belive) my be the > bottleneck in which case the actual improvement would be small, but I > would have alti-vec correct, for whatever that is worth... > > I know I should by a new Powerbook, but I am set at this, just can not > decide which to get. > > -Rich > >> -dhan >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> -- >> Dan Shoop >> shoop@iwiring.net >> Consulting Internet Architect >> shoop@mac.com >> AIM: iWiring >> >> pgp key fingerprint: FAC0 9434 B5A5 24A8 D0AF 12B1 7840 3BE7 3736 >> DE0B >> >> iWiring designs and supports Internet systems and networks based on >> Mac OS X, unix(tm), and Open Source applications technologies and >> offers 24x7, guaranteed support to registered clients. How can we >> help? >> > > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-admin mailing list > MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin > From janos.lobb at yale.edu Thu Feb 12 08:30:03 2004 From: janos.lobb at yale.edu (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?J=E1nos_L=F6bb?=) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:48 2005 Subject: pismo cpu upgrade In-Reply-To: <0A8232D7-5CC6-11D8-B0E9-0003939DAA98@richcreations.com> References: <0A8232D7-5CC6-11D8-B0E9-0003939DAA98@richcreations.com> Message-ID: I do not know anything about music, but I use Mathematica on a 350Mhz G4 Powermac with 10,000rpm SCSI and on a 500Mhz G3 iBook with 4200rpm ATA. The iBook is much faster. So, if Garage Band is processor intensive, go with the G3. J?nos On Feb 11, 2004, at 2:11 PM, Rich Simpson wrote: > I have a Powerbook G3 firewire (pismo), running OS X 10.3, It has 60GB > HD 512MB ram. I use this powerbook for audio recording, and would like > to use garage band, but I only seem to be able to play 4 tracks at a > time. the system requirements say G3 600 is needed (G4 for software > instruments). this is the only software I use that needs a faster > computer then I have. I was thinking about getting either a Powerlogix > bluechip 500mhz G4, or a Powerlogix bluechip 900mhz G3, so I guess I > am asking, which would be better for using garage band: > G4 500 or G3 900. > > -Rich > > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-admin mailing list > MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin > > ------------------------------------------ "There was a mighty king in the land of the Huns whose goodness and wisdom had no equal." Nibelungen-Lied From jjracc at rit.edu Thu Feb 12 09:09:01 2004 From: jjracc at rit.edu (Jeremy Reichman) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:48 2005 Subject: Exploit-ByteVerify in jpi_cache on Mac OS X Message-ID: <2772E45D-5D7E-11D8-9E5E-000A95C4FBFA@rit.edu> I had a user who ran a Virex 7.2.1 scan and found Exploit-ByteVerify in ~/.jpi_cache/. Has anyone else seen this, and what is everyone's evaluation of the impact of this kind of thing? In my very quick reading, ByteVerify certainly seems innocuous enough on Mac OS X systems -- it just takes up space, and cannot exploit the flaw it was intended to: But since it's mentioned as being Java-based and seems to have come in through the Java Plugin, I figured I'd do some more digging about the potential for someone abusing this vector to get something on an OS X system. How safe is the Java Plugin for 1.3.1 and/or 1.4.1? Should anti-virus vendors be watching for this content on OS X, possibly alerting users, as they do on Windows? (Do any OS X anti-virus utilities do this now?) Thanks! -- Jeremy Reichman From mac_scott at mac.com Thu Feb 12 10:30:11 2004 From: mac_scott at mac.com (Mac Scott) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:48 2005 Subject: Problem with Software Update In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7DD1352B-5D89-11D8-89FF-0050E4451C0E@mac.com> Stefano, I have had this difficulty on occasion when, for one reason or another, I've had to reboot the machine in the middle of a Software Update download. When you try to run it again, it won't finish the process. I've found that if you select File>Download Only from the Software Update menu, then install the packages manually once they show up on your desktop, everything works out OK. Then subsequent updates work just fine. Mac On Feb 10, 2004, at 3:53 AM, Stefano Delli Ponti wrote: > Recently we are having problem with software update (with 10.3.2 and > iMac > G4). > For instance the recent Bluetooth update seems to start but it locks > (the > progress bar doesn't move). > We were forced to update Safari with a direct download. > > Any ideas? > > TIA, > Stefano > > > > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-admin mailing list > MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin > From shoop at iwiring.net Thu Feb 12 12:38:22 2004 From: shoop at iwiring.net (Dan Shoop) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:48 2005 Subject: pismo cpu upgrade (for audio) In-Reply-To: <27B03BE6-5D72-11D8-9EA1-000393C48A5C@wdstudio.com> References: <9F25BED2-5D0A-11D8-8F00-0003939DAA98@richcreations.com> <27B03BE6-5D72-11D8-9EA1-000393C48A5C@wdstudio.com> Message-ID: At 10:43 AM -0500 2/12/04, Walter Lee Davis wrote: >I have not owned a Pismo, but I did upgrade a WallStreet 292 with a >PowerLogix BlueChip upgrade (forget the exact speed). It was much >faster, but I had all sorts of problems installing Mac OS X on it. Wallstreets (which aren't Mainstreets, Lombards or Pismos) are *very* problematic with OS X, the OpenFirmware support on the machines doesn't understand HFS+ wrappers well or how to BootX and XCOFFs and nvramrc's are required top even attempt loading OS X. You'll note that support for hw w/o USB ports built in has been dropped in Panther ;) These issues are regardless of whether or not the processor is upgraded, so I can imagine doing so in a Wallstreet would only make the situation worse. -- -dhan ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Dan Shoop shoop@iwiring.net Consulting Internet Architect shoop@mac.com AIM: iWiring pgp key fingerprint: FAC0 9434 B5A5 24A8 D0AF 12B1 7840 3BE7 3736 DE0B iWiring designs and supports Internet systems and networks based on Mac OS X, unix(tm), and Open Source applications technologies and offers 24x7, guaranteed support to registered clients. How can we help? From magill at mcgillsociety.org Thu Feb 12 12:47:05 2004 From: magill at mcgillsociety.org (William H. Magill) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:48 2005 Subject: Exploit-ByteVerify in jpi_cache on Mac OS X In-Reply-To: <2772E45D-5D7E-11D8-9E5E-000A95C4FBFA@rit.edu> References: <2772E45D-5D7E-11D8-9E5E-000A95C4FBFA@rit.edu> Message-ID: <9E1CB382-5D9C-11D8-AD5B-000393768D2C@mcgillsociety.org> On 12 Feb, 2004, at 12:09, Jeremy Reichman wrote: > I had a user who ran a Virex 7.2.1 scan and found Exploit-ByteVerify > in ~/.jpi_cache/. Has anyone else seen this, and what is everyone's > evaluation of the impact of this kind of thing? > . . . > Should anti-virus vendors be watching for this content on OS X, > possibly alerting users, as they do on Windows? (Do any OS X > anti-virus utilities do this now?) This is the primary difference between Virex and Norton -- Virex scans for ALL known "virus" types, both PC and Mac. Norton scans only for those explicitly defined as Mac exploits. Virex prevents the Mac from becoming a "carrier" -- simply passing along a PC virus. T.T.F.N. William H. Magill # Beige G3 - Rev A motherboard - 768 Meg # Flat-panel iMac (2.1) 800MHz - Super Drive - 768 Meg # PWS433a [Alpha 21164 Rev 7.2 (EV56)- 64 Meg]- Tru64 5.1a # XP1000 - [Alpha EV6] magill@mcgillsociety.org magill@acm.org magill@mac.com From noah at abrahamson.ca Thu Feb 12 13:56:27 2004 From: noah at abrahamson.ca (Noah B F Abrahamson) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:48 2005 Subject: Exploit-ByteVerify in jpi_cache on Mac OS X In-Reply-To: <9E1CB382-5D9C-11D8-AD5B-000393768D2C@mcgillsociety.org> References: <2772E45D-5D7E-11D8-9E5E-000A95C4FBFA@rit.edu> <9E1CB382-5D9C-11D8-AD5B-000393768D2C@mcgillsociety.org> Message-ID: <4E8E2FA3-5DA6-11D8-91A9-000A95DBA63C@abrahamson.ca> On Feb 12, 2004, at 3:47 PM, William H. Magill wrote: > This is the primary difference between Virex and Norton -- Virex scans > for ALL known "virus" types, both PC and Mac. Norton scans only for > those explicitly defined as Mac exploits. > > Virex prevents the Mac from becoming a "carrier" -- simply passing > along a PC virus. states that NAV 9 also addresses PC bugs. Noah ----------------------- Noah B F Abrahamson Doner Advertising From conrad at yoders.org Thu Feb 12 18:34:16 2004 From: conrad at yoders.org (Conrad G T Yoder) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:48 2005 Subject: pismo cpu upgrade (for audio) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At 2/12/2004 3:38 PM -0500, Dan Shoop wrote: > > Wallstreets (which aren't Mainstreets, Lombards or Pismos) are > *very* problematic with OS X, the OpenFirmware support on the > machines doesn't understand HFS+ wrappers well or how to BootX and > XCOFFs and nvramrc's are required top even attempt loading OS X. > You'll note that support for hw w/o USB ports built in has been > dropped in Panther ;) These issues are regardless of whether or not > the processor is upgraded, so I can imagine doing so in a Wallstreet > would only make the situation worse. I had a Wallstreet 300MHz, and had no problems installing 10.1 on it. YMMV. -Conrad From rthomas at uiuc.edu Fri Feb 13 10:10:43 2004 From: rthomas at uiuc.edu (Ryan Thomas) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:48 2005 Subject: Disk scrubber (again) Message-ID: Ok. The State of Illinois has recently mandated that all computers surplused (junked) from state agencies must be overwritten 10x (!) before going to surplus. This is a new *state law*. I've identified three packages that do this for OS X 10.2 and later: Xclean, iWipe, and SuperScrubber. Panther's disk utility on the install media also will do seven overwrites in a single pass (I think it's seven, maybe eight?). But none of these will boot on Beige G3s or older. Our largest bulk of Macs to surplus are G3s and older. So, does anyone know of any tools for older systems (maybe an OS 9 solution) one can use to wipe a disk 10x in a single pass...without manually wiping the disk with a single pass ten times? Other keywords: wipe drive disk erase zero From me at privacy.net Fri Feb 13 10:22:45 2004 From: me at privacy.net (Fletcher T. Penney) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:48 2005 Subject: Disk scrubber (again) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Ryan Thomas wrote: > Ok. The State of Illinois has recently mandated that all computers > surplused (junked) from state agencies must be overwritten 10x (!) > before going to surplus. This is a new *state law*. > > I've identified three packages that do this for OS X 10.2 and later: > Xclean, iWipe, and SuperScrubber. Panther's disk utility on the install > media also will do seven overwrites in a single pass (I think it's > seven, maybe eight?). But none of these will boot on Beige G3s or older. > > Our largest bulk of Macs to surplus are G3s and older. > > So, does anyone know of any tools for older systems (maybe an OS 9 > solution) one can use to wipe a disk 10x in a single pass...without > manually wiping the disk with a single pass ten times? > > Other keywords: wipe drive disk erase zero There was an old (freeware, I believe) app for OS 9 called "Burn" IIRC. I used to use it pre-OS X. It would wipe individual files, or all free space on a drive. F- -- Fletcher T. Penney http://fletcher.freeshell.org/ A well adjusted person is one who makes the same mistake twice without getting nervous. From magill at mcgillsociety.org Fri Feb 13 11:11:19 2004 From: magill at mcgillsociety.org (William H. Magill) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:48 2005 Subject: Exploit-ByteVerify in jpi_cache on Mac OS X In-Reply-To: <4E8E2FA3-5DA6-11D8-91A9-000A95DBA63C@abrahamson.ca> References: <2772E45D-5D7E-11D8-9E5E-000A95C4FBFA@rit.edu> <9E1CB382-5D9C-11D8-AD5B-000393768D2C@mcgillsociety.org> <4E8E2FA3-5DA6-11D8-91A9-000A95DBA63C@abrahamson.ca> Message-ID: <6743F7A0-5E58-11D8-BDCB-000393768D2C@mcgillsociety.org> On 12 Feb, 2004, at 16:56, Noah B F Abrahamson wrote: > On Feb 12, 2004, at 3:47 PM, William H. Magill wrote: > >> This is the primary difference between Virex and Norton -- Virex >> scans for ALL known "virus" types, both PC and Mac. Norton scans only >> for those explicitly defined as Mac exploits. >> >> Virex prevents the Mac from becoming a "carrier" -- simply passing >> along a PC virus. > > states that NAV 9 > also addresses PC bugs. It's good to know that they finally addressed the issue. When I was last involved in evaluating the two in the summer of 2002, (NAV 7, I think) that was the primary reason why we site-licensed Virex for the Mac, even though we had an existing site license for NAV for the PC folks. We could not get them to commit to changing the product at the time. T.T.F.N. William H. Magill # Beige G3 - Rev A motherboard - 768 Meg # Flat-panel iMac (2.1) 800MHz - Super Drive - 768 Meg # PWS433a [Alpha 21164 Rev 7.2 (EV56)- 64 Meg]- Tru64 5.1a # XP1000 - [Alpha EV6] magill@mcgillsociety.org magill@acm.org magill@mac.com From bsilver at chrononomicon.com Fri Feb 13 11:18:15 2004 From: bsilver at chrononomicon.com (Bart Silverstrim) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:48 2005 Subject: Disk scrubber (again) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5F73E3C6-5E59-11D8-84C6-000A956D2452@chrononomicon.com> fwipe via fink might help with some of the task (or used in conjunction with a utility to make your own bootable OSX disk...I have a freeware program that does that here somewhere, but never got around to trying it)...they're both available for free, so I don't see much harm in looking into it BUT... I love state mandates, don't you? Does this law mention anything about caution regarding slack space, since from what I understand many disk wipe programs don't take that into account? I don't know if this would be affected by booting from a CD and running the program on a freshly formatted disk or not... -Bart On Feb 13, 2004, at 1:10 PM, Ryan Thomas wrote: > Ok. The State of Illinois has recently mandated that all computers > surplused (junked) from state agencies must be overwritten 10x (!) > before going to surplus. This is a new *state law*. > > I've identified three packages that do this for OS X 10.2 and later: > Xclean, iWipe, and SuperScrubber. Panther's disk utility on the > install media also will do seven overwrites in a single pass (I think > it's seven, maybe eight?). But none of these will boot on Beige G3s > or older. > > Our largest bulk of Macs to surplus are G3s and older. > > So, does anyone know of any tools for older systems (maybe an OS 9 > solution) one can use to wipe a disk 10x in a single pass...without > manually wiping the disk with a single pass ten times? > > Other keywords: wipe drive disk erase zero > > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-admin mailing list > MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin From tomj at uci.edu Fri Feb 13 11:28:49 2004 From: tomj at uci.edu (Tom Jennings) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:48 2005 Subject: OSX authentication against Samba PDC? In-Reply-To: <1076440991.17217.1043.camel@aether.local> References: <1076440991.17217.1043.camel@aether.local> Message-ID: <1076700528.3489.61.camel@aether.local> So I take it from the loud silence that no one's using simple NT-style authentication on Macs? I have a small heterogenous network, and I find the overhead of other schemes unnecessary. It seems like it ought to be a no-brainer... or is it my breath? tomj On Tue, 2004-02-10 at 11:23, Tom Jennings wrote: > I'm a reasonably experienced unix/linux sysadmin, with a Samba-based > computer lab. I have a semi-redundant pair of SuSE 9.0 linux 'big' > RAID5 servers, one with a Samba 2.2.8 PDC, eight WinXP workstations, and > four 10.2.* Macs (high-end G5s and mid G4s). > > I need to make the OSX machines authenticate against the Samba PDC. > > I'm utterly new to admining OSX, but I've RTFM'd a little, I know it's > BSD-based, not out-of-the-box BSD, etc. I'm cool with that. > > > I hope that my problem is simply me, but I cannot find any usable > software to authenticate off an NT-style PDC. The simple mounting of > shares is easy, with built-in samba client stuff, mount and automount, > etc. Hell, %K in the finder. > > I say 'usable' because I have Thursby's AdmitMac, which claims to do NT > auth stuff, and it *almost* works, sorta kinda maybe. (Their DAVE > product seems redundant in 10.2 up, since it provides only > smbmount/smbclient-ish things now provided with OS X.) > > I'm still battling AdmitMac, and talking with the cooperative Thursby > tech people, but is it really the case, that *no one but me* needs to > authenticate OSX workstations on an NT-style PDC? I would think it far > more popular than it appears. > > If it's just me being a blockhead that's great, I can fix that the > easiest! I'll get 10.3 if it'll move me in the right direction. > > Any hints? Be nice, I'm new here :-) > > tomj > > > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-admin mailing list > MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin From milov at cslab.uwlax.edu Fri Feb 13 12:06:53 2004 From: milov at cslab.uwlax.edu (Milo Velimirovic) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:48 2005 Subject: 17" PowerBook eating batteries. In-Reply-To: <5F73E3C6-5E59-11D8-84C6-000A956D2452@chrononomicon.com> References: <5F73E3C6-5E59-11D8-84C6-000A956D2452@chrononomicon.com> Message-ID: <2AC23692-5E60-11D8-B98B-000393DB3604@cslab.uwlax.edu> Hi! The subject pretty much says it all. I got a call from a faculty member here who said his 17" PB died suddenly yesterday. He replaced the battery with a spare and it ran for a few minutes before this one too expired. He said that the batteries both had a significant charge left on them (not sure exactly how much.) He tried a 3rd battery and it too was soon drained -- no LEDs lit after pressing the battery button. This was done with the PB plugged into its AC adapter and the PB does not boot. Anyone else run into this problem? Is this what the Battery Update 1.1 is supposed to address? TIA, Milo -- Milo Velimirovi? University of Wisconsin - La Crosse La Crosse, Wisconsin 54601 USA -- There's a reason Dennis Ritchie and Ken Thompson[1] have been awarded the U.S. National Medal of Technology (1998) and are fellows of the Computer History Museum Online. Dave Cutler hasn't and isn't. [1]"You are not expected to understand this." From tim at diligence.com Fri Feb 13 12:26:15 2004 From: tim at diligence.com (Tim Uckun) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:48 2005 Subject: OSX authentication against Samba PDC? In-Reply-To: <1076700528.3489.61.camel@aether.local> References: <1076440991.17217.1043.camel@aether.local> <1076440991.17217.1043.camel@aether.local> Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.2.20040213132127.029401f8@mail.diligence.com> At 11:28 AM 2/13/2004 -0800, Tom Jennings wrote: >So I take it from the loud silence that no one's using simple NT-style >authentication on Macs? I have a small heterogenous network, and I find >the overhead of other schemes unnecessary. It seems like it ought to be >a no-brainer... or is it my breath? Our sysadmin finally got the mac to authenticate with active directory and also was able to configure samba to authenticate via AD. It was a royal pain according to him. You are attempting something different though but I don't think it will be a "no brainer". It seems like what you want is pam-smb or pam winbind though. Have you looked into those? >tomj > > > >On Tue, 2004-02-10 at 11:23, Tom Jennings wrote: > > I'm a reasonably experienced unix/linux sysadmin, with a Samba-based > > computer lab. I have a semi-redundant pair of SuSE 9.0 linux 'big' > > RAID5 servers, one with a Samba 2.2.8 PDC, eight WinXP workstations, and > > four 10.2.* Macs (high-end G5s and mid G4s). > > > > I need to make the OSX machines authenticate against the Samba PDC. > > > > I'm utterly new to admining OSX, but I've RTFM'd a little, I know it's > > BSD-based, not out-of-the-box BSD, etc. I'm cool with that. > > > > > > I hope that my problem is simply me, but I cannot find any usable > > software to authenticate off an NT-style PDC. The simple mounting of > > shares is easy, with built-in samba client stuff, mount and automount, > > etc. Hell, %K in the finder. > > > > I say 'usable' because I have Thursby's AdmitMac, which claims to do NT > > auth stuff, and it *almost* works, sorta kinda maybe. (Their DAVE > > product seems redundant in 10.2 up, since it provides only > > smbmount/smbclient-ish things now provided with OS X.) > > > > I'm still battling AdmitMac, and talking with the cooperative Thursby > > tech people, but is it really the case, that *no one but me* needs to > > authenticate OSX workstations on an NT-style PDC? I would think it far > > more popular than it appears. > > > > If it's just me being a blockhead that's great, I can fix that the > > easiest! I'll get 10.3 if it'll move me in the right direction. > > > > Any hints? Be nice, I'm new here :-) > > > > tomj > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > MacOSX-admin mailing list > > MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com > > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin > >_______________________________________________ >MacOSX-admin mailing list >MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com >http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin :wq Tim Uckun US Investigations Services/Due Diligence http://www.diligence.com/ From jwelch at aer.com Fri Feb 13 12:48:52 2004 From: jwelch at aer.com (John C. Welch) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:48 2005 Subject: OSX authentication against Samba PDC? In-Reply-To: <1076700528.3489.61.camel@aether.local> Message-ID: On 2/13/04 1:28 PM, "Tom Jennings" wrote: > So I take it from the loud silence that no one's using simple NT-style > authentication on Macs? I have a small heterogenous network, and I find > the overhead of other schemes unnecessary. It seems like it ought to be > a no-brainer... or is it my breath? DAVE or ADMit Mac are the only ways to Authenticate against NT4 Domains. Both are from Thursby. john -- "The Exertion of Better Men" - Motto for Special Boat Unit 22, Det 122- Sacramento , Ca. From shoop at iwiring.net Fri Feb 13 14:38:05 2004 From: shoop at iwiring.net (Dan Shoop) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:48 2005 Subject: pismo cpu upgrade (for audio) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 9:34 PM -0500 2/12/04, Conrad G T Yoder wrote: >At 2/12/2004 3:38 PM -0500, Dan Shoop wrote: >> >> Wallstreets (which aren't Mainstreets, Lombards or Pismos) are >> *very* problematic with OS X, the OpenFirmware support on the >> machines doesn't understand HFS+ wrappers well or how to BootX and >> XCOFFs and nvramrc's are required top even attempt loading OS X. >> You'll note that support for hw w/o USB ports built in has been >> dropped in Panther ;) These issues are regardless of whether or not >> the processor is upgraded, so I can imagine doing so in a Wallstreet >> would only make the situation worse. > >I had a Wallstreet 300MHz, and had no problems installing 10.1 on it. YMMV. Then you had a Mainstreet or PDQ, not a Wallstreet. Wallstreets only came in 233, 250 and 292MHz versions. And 10.1 was only minorly problematic, but 10.2 was quite problematic for Wallstreets, especially those with the 83MHz bus. Not impossible, just troublesome. -- -dhan ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Dan Shoop shoop@iwiring.net Consulting Internet Architect shoop@mac.com AIM: iWiring pgp key fingerprint: FAC0 9434 B5A5 24A8 D0AF 12B1 7840 3BE7 3736 DE0B iWiring designs and supports Internet systems and networks based on Mac OS X, unix(tm), and Open Source applications technologies and offers 24x7, guaranteed support to registered clients. How can we help? From tomj at uci.edu Fri Feb 13 16:25:14 2004 From: tomj at uci.edu (Tom Jennings) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:48 2005 Subject: OSX authentication against Samba PDC? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1076718314.3488.80.camel@aether.local> On Fri, 2004-02-13 at 12:48, John C. Welch wrote: > DAVE or ADMit Mac are the only ways to Authenticate against NT4 > Domains. Well there you go! :-) This seems to be true. We're having monstrous problems with AdmitMac (freshly-installed 10.2.8 with AdmitMac 1.1 locks up Mac at login after opening a zillion connections to the server). 10.3 apparently does ActiveDirectory authentication, built-in (kinda hurts Thursby...), hopefully it does NT as well (partly a subset of AD functionality), so I bought that, will try next week. DAVE only does Samba mounts, integral in 10.2 up, so not sure what use it is in OS X other than some fancier feetches the built-in doesn't do. From jwelch at aer.com Fri Feb 13 16:29:51 2004 From: jwelch at aer.com (John C. Welch) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:48 2005 Subject: OSX authentication against Samba PDC? In-Reply-To: <1076718314.3488.80.camel@aether.local> Message-ID: On 2/13/04 6:25 PM, "Tom Jennings" wrote: >> DAVE or ADMit Mac are the only ways to Authenticate against NT4 >> Domains. > > Well there you go! :-) This seems to be true. We're having monstrous > problems with AdmitMac (freshly-installed 10.2.8 with AdmitMac 1.1 locks > up Mac at login after opening a zillion connections to the server). Have you talked to Thursby support yet? > > 10.3 apparently does ActiveDirectory authentication, built-in (kinda > hurts Thursby...), hopefully it does NT as well (partly a subset of AD > functionality), so I bought that, will try next week. Nope, no NT. Only AD, and it's kinda half-assed. > > DAVE only does Samba mounts, integral in 10.2 up, so not sure what use > it is in OS X other than some fancier feetches the built-in doesn't do. Take another look. DAVE supports Domain Authentication. john -- "Indentation?! -- I will show you how to indent when I indent your skull!" - 9th most commonly uttered Klingon programmer phrase From tomj at uci.edu Fri Feb 13 16:36:46 2004 From: tomj at uci.edu (Tom Jennings) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:49 2005 Subject: OSX authentication against Samba PDC? In-Reply-To: <5.0.0.25.2.20040213132127.029401f8@mail.diligence.com> References: <1076440991.17217.1043.camel@aether.local> <1076440991.17217.1043.camel@aether.local> <5.0.0.25.2.20040213132127.029401f8@mail.diligence.com> Message-ID: <1076719006.3489.92.camel@aether.local> On Fri, 2004-02-13 at 12:26, Tim Uckun wrote: > At 11:28 AM 2/13/2004 -0800, Tom Jennings wrote: > >So I take it from the loud silence that no one's using simple NT-style > >authentication on Macs? I have a small heterogenous network, and I find > >the overhead of other schemes unnecessary. It seems like it ought to be > >a no-brainer... or is it my breath? > > Our sysadmin finally got the mac to authenticate with active directory and > also was able to configure samba to authenticate via AD. It was a royal > pain according to him. You are attempting something different though but I > don't think it will be a "no brainer". Well, code-wise, to authenticate users at login time against a PDC doesn't involve very many more SMB function calls than just mounting a Samba share (open share, read from share, close share, verify password against Samba passwd, etc), so if it can mount a Samba share (which it can) it's not rocket science to code up the login part. Mounting via command-K in the finder works just fine. It finds the WINS server, sees the PDC, bad passwords rejected, correct passwords allow mounting of shares, etc, everything works *except* auth users at login time. From mbartosh at mac.com Fri Feb 13 16:37:18 2004 From: mbartosh at mac.com (Michael Bartosh) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:49 2005 Subject: OSX authentication against Samba PDC? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 6:29 PM -0600 2/13/04, John C. Welch wrote: >Take another look. DAVE supports Domain Authentication. and file streams and it's robust and.... Dave is a great cifs client. Mac OS X's is getting better but might not ever be as complete as Dave's. (with DFS and cluster support, etc). -- http://www.4am-media.com Mac OS X Consulting and Training Michael Bartosh mbartosh@4am-media.com 303.517.0272 Denver, CO "The surest way to corrupt a youth is to instruct him to hold in higher regard those who think alike than those who think differently." - -- Nietzsche Think Different. From tomj at uci.edu Fri Feb 13 16:40:07 2004 From: tomj at uci.edu (Tom Jennings) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:49 2005 Subject: OSX authentication against Samba PDC? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1076719206.3488.97.camel@aether.local> On Fri, 2004-02-13 at 16:29, John C. Welch wrote: > > ... We're having monstrous > > problems with AdmitMac (freshly-installed 10.2.8 with AdmitMac 1.1 locks > > up Mac at login after opening a zillion connections to the server). > > Have you talked to Thursby support yet? yes, been talking to them for two weeks. They sent me instructions today on doing a trace (via some AdmitMac tool, did not RTFM yet), will do this next week. > > 10.3 apparently does ActiveDirectory authentication, built-in (kinda > > hurts Thursby...), hopefully it does NT as well (partly a subset of AD > > functionality), so I bought that, will try next week. > > Nope, no NT. Only AD, and it's kinda half-assed. Oh crap. > > DAVE only does Samba mounts, integral in 10.2 up, so not sure what use > > it is in OS X other than some fancier feetches the built-in doesn't do. > > Take another look. DAVE supports Domain Authentication. Hmm... even Thursby said only AdmitMac does what i need, which is to authenticate users at login time. DAVE just allows mounting of shares once logged in. I don't want users of the Macintosh to have local accounts, if that wasn't clear. Only a local admin account, and Samba logins. From tomj at uci.edu Fri Feb 13 16:44:29 2004 From: tomj at uci.edu (Tom Jennings) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:49 2005 Subject: OSX authentication against Samba PDC? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1076719469.3489.100.camel@aether.local> On Fri, 2004-02-13 at 16:37, Michael Bartosh wrote: > At 6:29 PM -0600 2/13/04, John C. Welch wrote: > >Take another look. DAVE supports Domain Authentication. > > and file streams and it's robust and.... > > Dave is a great cifs client. Mac OS X's is getting better but might > not ever be as complete as Dave's. (with DFS and cluster support, > etc). Ahhh... got it! That's good to know. It's not (yet) obvious to me, since I'm just barely getting these machines useful, and I've only used smb:// for testing so far. I'll keep this in mind! From tomj at uci.edu Fri Feb 13 17:06:00 2004 From: tomj at uci.edu (Tom Jennings) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:49 2005 Subject: OSX authentication against Samba PDC? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1076720760.3489.110.camel@aether.local> On Fri, 2004-02-13 at 16:29, John C. Welch wrote: > > 10.3 apparently does ActiveDirectory authentication, built-in (kinda > Nope, no NT. Only AD, and it's kinda half-assed. http://www.macosxhints.com/article.php?story=20031126092056370 Umm, I was just given this URL... it's a little unclear around the edges but I'll go see if I can puzzle it out, as soon as 0.3 is installed, and let you all know what happens... From zbass at mann.com Fri Feb 13 17:24:21 2004 From: zbass at mann.com (Zach Bass) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:49 2005 Subject: Deleting files older than 30 days? Message-ID: We've set up an area of a file server for temporary file storage. We need to create a script that removes files older than 30 days from the user folders without deleting the user folders themselves. The path to these folders looks like this: /Hard drive/Share Point/Transfer/User folder Here's the tricky part--assume there's a folder called Stuff in their folder which is older than 30 days, and there are 2 folders within Stuff: User folder/Stuff/New User folder/Stuff/Old New is less than 30 days old, Old is more than 30 days old. Can anyone suggest a way to remove the Old directory, but not delete Stuff (which is older than 30 days, but contains the directory New, which is less than 30 days old)? Obviously, we want to automate this process; worst-case, we can do a Finder search once a week and remove anything older than 30 days. Suggestions? TIA, Zach ________________________________________________________________________ Zach Bass zbass@mann.com Phone: 415.546.6266 x106 Mann Consulting http://www.mann.com Fax: 415.546.4099 ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Zach Bass zbass@mann.com Phone: 415.546.6266 x106 Mann Consulting http://www.mann.com Fax: 415.546.4099 ________________________________________________________________________ From garbanzito at mac.com Fri Feb 13 17:49:15 2004 From: garbanzito at mac.com (steve harley) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:49 2005 Subject: Deleting files older than 30 days? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: on 13 Feb 2004, at 6:24 PM, Zach Bass wrote: > Here's the tricky part--assume there's a folder called Stuff in their > folder > which is older than 30 days, and there are 2 folders within Stuff: > > User folder/Stuff/New > User folder/Stuff/Old > > New is less than 30 days old, Old is more than 30 days old. Can anyone > suggest a way to remove the Old directory, but not delete Stuff (which > is > older than 30 days, but contains the directory New, which is less than > 30 > days old)? from the sound of this, i think the user would be best served if you simply delete all old *files* and any subsequently empty and old *folder*.. a simple recursive search could handle this in one pass.. in your example, Old would be deleted (assuming all its contents are old), but Stuff and New would remain i don't see any reason to get fancier than that, but if you must, you'll need to decide where New goes when Stuff is deleted, and also check for name collisions if the same folder is used for all the orphaned item From jwelch at aer.com Fri Feb 13 18:35:25 2004 From: jwelch at aer.com (John C. Welch) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:49 2005 Subject: OSX authentication against Samba PDC? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 2/13/04 6:37 PM, "Michael Bartosh" wrote: >> Take another look. DAVE supports Domain Authentication. > > and file streams and it's robust and.... It has AppleScript support! > > Dave is a great cifs client. Mac OS X's is getting better but might > not ever be as complete as Dave's. (with DFS and cluster support, > etc). Yah...DAVE and ADMit both do a LOT more than people think. John -- A leader is a man who had the ability to get other people to do what they don't want to do, and like it. - Harry S. Truman From jwelch at aer.com Fri Feb 13 18:38:30 2004 From: jwelch at aer.com (John C. Welch) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:49 2005 Subject: OSX authentication against Samba PDC? In-Reply-To: <1076720760.3489.110.camel@aether.local> Message-ID: On 2/13/04 7:06 PM, "Tom Jennings" wrote: > >>> 10.3 apparently does ActiveDirectory authentication, built-in (kinda > >> Nope, no NT. Only AD, and it's kinda half-assed. > > http://www.macosxhints.com/article.php?story=20031126092056370 > > Umm, I was just given this URL... it's a little unclear around the edges > but I'll go see if I can puzzle it out, as soon as 0.3 is installed, and > let you all know what happens... That has nothing to do with Mac physical logins. That's for authenticating Windows logins to the Mac. john -- "This machine is a piece of GAGH! ?I need dual G5 processors if I am to do battle with this code!" - 11th most commonly uttered Klingon programmer phrase From tomj at uci.edu Fri Feb 13 18:55:44 2004 From: tomj at uci.edu (Tom Jennings) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:49 2005 Subject: Deleting files older than 30 days? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1076727344.3488.132.camel@aether.local> There's a number of tricks for this, but the first that comes to mind is the unix find command. It has an old, unpleasant and somewhat tricky syntax, but it does a lot of neat stuff. Hint: there's an option to give find a command to execute. The command is terminated with ;. The shell will "eat" the ; character; you ahve to escape it with \, eg \; There are a bunch of options that limit the find to fiels of a certain age; -atime, -ctime, etc. It gets worse. To specify times backwards you use -atime -5 for 5 days old. I'm boggled by it, but it's 630pm and I should be going home now after a long day. $ find /home/tomj -atime 1 -print lists files changed within the last minute (or is it day). Using -exec: find /home/tomj -atime -1 -exec echo ls -l {} \; {} is a kludge that means "found file name", one of those ugly find things, eg.a macro subsitution type thing. therefore this generates ls -l file for each file it finds. Substitute 'rm' and you got the idea. man find for details Its a fugly program, but does exactly what you want. What I do for testing is something like find /pathname (-options to do tricks) -exec echo "FOO {}" \: and it prints FOO file, etc. When it makes the right list of actions, then substitute echo "FOO ..." for the real command, rm or whatever. Stick this in cron and you're done. tomj On Fri, 2004-02-13 at 17:49, steve harley wrote: > on 13 Feb 2004, at 6:24 PM, Zach Bass wrote: > > Here's the tricky part--assume there's a folder called Stuff in their > > folder > > which is older than 30 days, and there are 2 folders within Stuff: > > > > User folder/Stuff/New > > User folder/Stuff/Old > > > > New is less than 30 days old, Old is more than 30 days old. Can anyone > > suggest a way to remove the Old directory, but not delete Stuff (which > > is > > older than 30 days, but contains the directory New, which is less than > > 30 > > days old)? > > from the sound of this, i think the user would be best served if you > simply delete all old *files* > and any subsequently empty and old *folder*.. a simple recursive search > could handle this in one pass.. in your example, Old would be deleted > (assuming all its contents are old), but Stuff and New would remain > > i don't see any reason to get fancier than that, but if you must, > you'll need to decide where New goes when Stuff is deleted, and also > check for name collisions if the same folder is used for all the > orphaned item > > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-admin mailing list > MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin From tomj at uci.edu Fri Feb 13 18:57:27 2004 From: tomj at uci.edu (Tom Jennings) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:49 2005 Subject: OSX authentication against Samba PDC? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1076727447.3488.135.camel@aether.local> On Fri, 2004-02-13 at 18:38, John C. Welch wrote: > > http://www.macosxhints.com/article.php?story=20031126092056370 > > > > Umm, I was just given this URL... it's a little unclear around the edges > > but I'll go see if I can puzzle it out, as soon as 0.3 is installed, and > > let you all know what happens... > > That has nothing to do with Mac physical logins. That's for authenticating > Windows logins to the Mac. D'OH! as we found ou after installing 10.3 and sitting down and READING the hint. Back to square 1 with AdmitMac. Next week. After a 3-day weekend. C U L From mbartosh at mac.com Fri Feb 13 20:58:03 2004 From: mbartosh at mac.com (Michael Bartosh) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:49 2005 Subject: OSX authentication against Samba PDC? In-Reply-To: <1076720760.3489.110.camel@aether.local> References: <1076720760.3489.110.camel@aether.local> Message-ID: At 5:06 PM -0800 2/13/04, Tom Jennings wrote: >On Fri, 2004-02-13 at 16:29, John C. Welch wrote: > >> > 10.3 apparently does ActiveDirectory authentication, built-in (kinda > >> Nope, no NT. Only AD, and it's kinda half-assed. > >http://www.macosxhints.com/article.php?story=20031126092056370 > >Umm, I was just given this URL... it's a little unclear around the edges >but I'll go see if I can puzzle it out, as soon as 0.3 is installed, and >let you all know what happens... > This url explains how to authenticate Windows File Services against an NT4 PDC. It does NTLMv1 pass through authentication. The Mac becomes a member of the NT Domain. Note that the Mac still has to be able to identify the user logging in. Identification, authentication and authorization are three distinctly different and required concepts. ADMitMac is the only way to authenticate at log-in time against an NT PDC, and the only way I'm aware to identify (look up) user accounts from an NT domain. ADMitMac does NTLMv2, which should really be required when futzing with NT stuff.NTLMv1 and LANMAN are trivial to compromise. From a security perspective, you're much, much better off with Active Directory. Integration with Mac OS X and Samba are both much more mature there, using Kerberos. -- http://www.4am-media.com Mac OS X Consulting and Training Michael Bartosh mbartosh@4am-media.com 303.517.0272 Denver, CO "The surest way to corrupt a youth is to instruct him to hold in higher regard those who think alike than those who think differently." - -- Nietzsche Think Different. From list-omnigroup at fsck.net Sat Feb 14 01:13:17 2004 From: list-omnigroup at fsck.net (Eugene Lee) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:49 2005 Subject: Deleting files older than 30 days? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20040214091317.GC10217@Dark-Age.local> On Fri, Feb 13, 2004 at 05:24:21PM -0800, Zach Bass wrote: : : We've set up an area of a file server for temporary file storage. We need : to create a script that removes files older than 30 days from the user : folders without deleting the user folders themselves. The path to these : folders looks like this: : : /Hard drive/Share Point/Transfer/User folder : : Here's the tricky part--assume there's a folder called Stuff in their folder : which is older than 30 days, and there are 2 folders within Stuff: : : User folder/Stuff/New : User folder/Stuff/Old : : New is less than 30 days old, Old is more than 30 days old. Can anyone : suggest a way to remove the Old directory, but not delete Stuff (which is : older than 30 days, but contains the directory New, which is less than 30 : days old)? (untested) #!/bin/sh dir="/Users//Stuff" find "${dir}"/* -type f -mtime +30 -print0 | xargs -0 rm find "${dir}"/* -type d -mtime +30 -print0 | xargs -0 rmdir -- Eugene Lee http://www.coxar.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/ From magill at mcgillsociety.org Sat Feb 14 06:57:07 2004 From: magill at mcgillsociety.org (William H. Magill) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:49 2005 Subject: Deleting files older than 30 days? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0EDF0B98-5EFE-11D8-BB5B-000393768D2C@mcgillsociety.org> On 13 Feb, 2004, at 20:24, Zach Bass wrote: > We've set up an area of a file server for temporary file storage. We > need > to create a script that removes files older than 30 days from the user > folders without deleting the user folders themselves. The path to > these > folders looks like this: > > /Hard drive/Share Point/Transfer/User folder > > Here's the tricky part--assume there's a folder called Stuff in their > folder > which is older than 30 days, and there are 2 folders within Stuff: > > User folder/Stuff/New > User folder/Stuff/Old > > New is less than 30 days old, Old is more than 30 days old. Can anyone > suggest a way to remove the Old directory, but not delete Stuff (which > is > older than 30 days, but contains the directory New, which is less than > 30 > days old)? > > Obviously, we want to automate this process; worst-case, we can do a > Finder > search once a week and remove anything older than 30 days. What you want is normal and found in the /etc/periodic tasks. (man periodic). These are run by cron on a "periodic" basis. Your function is EXACTLY what periodic is intended to handle -- housekeeping. (Any book on Unix System Administration will discuss "housekeeping" tasks.) Look at what apple has for the log file rotation and cleaning... /etc/defaults/periodic.conf /etc/periodic/daily/100.clean-logs [Note that there are still problems with Apple's periodic functions. Hopefully in this next round of updates we will get them fixed.] Eugene Lee gave you the "one-line" version of the find commands, without all of the "pretty" variable names. The "usual" usage of "find" -- type -f" -- will ignore directories and only look at regular files. (man find) BTW: One uses xargs instead of simply rm because there is a buffer size limit to the number of arguments which can be passed in find (and pipes). As you progress in your experience with System Administration you will encounter many situations where some "one" or some "thing" has created a huge number of files in one directory which you want to remove. BTW2: On 13 Feb, 2004, at 21:55, Tom Jennings wrote: > It has an old, unpleasant and somewhat tricky syntax, but it does a lot > of neat stuff. The find command (and many others) uses "regular expressions" which ARE arcane, but "regexp" are the heart and soul of Unix. (man regexp, re_format, re_comp, expr) and the OReilly book on Regular Expressions. One last comment. It is not unusual for the results you expect from this kind of routine to be different from what you get. The primary reason for this is the definition of "time." atime - Access time: in 24 hour granularity (i.e. days only) ctime - Change of file status information: also in 24 hour granularity mtime - file last modification time: also in 24 hour granularity While this seems straight forward, the problems occur because A) The 24 hour period is relative to the time at which the find command is executed B) the fact that 'mtime" is normally the only value ever displayed (via ls) and C) the update of these values is dependent upon the particulars of the specific "open/close" activity. Log files are a good example. They will show via ls -l the date the log file had the last record added to it... but it won't show you the time the file was last ACCESSED, say by someone simply issuing a "tail" against the file. Why is this important? Because you will invariably delete files that people claim they use every day! Simply because those files are being READ and not WRITTEN (and hence modified). [This is a no-win situation. "You will always manage to erase the files belonging to your boss's boss, who should have known better but doesn't" -- Murphy.] For temporary storage, this is not (or should not be) an issue. But "users" have a bad habit of circumventing disk storage quotas by sticking stuff in temporary storage, where there is no quota, and then expecting it to remain there! T.T.F.N. William H. Magill # Beige G3 - Rev A motherboard - 768 Meg # Flat-panel iMac (2.1) 800MHz - Super Drive - 768 Meg # PWS433a [Alpha 21164 Rev 7.2 (EV56)- 64 Meg]- Tru64 5.1a # XP1000 - [Alpha EV6] magill@mcgillsociety.org magill@acm.org magill@mac.com From garbanzito at mac.com Sat Feb 14 12:13:15 2004 From: garbanzito at mac.com (steve harley) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:49 2005 Subject: Disk scrubber (again) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <389C412D-5F2A-11D8-9F1B-000393C5ED50@mac.com> on 13 Feb 2004, at 11:10 AM, Ryan Thomas wrote: > I've identified three packages that do this for OS X 10.2 and later: > Xclean, iWipe, and SuperScrubber. Panther's disk utility on the > install media also will do seven overwrites in a single pass (I think > it's seven, maybe eight?). But none of these will boot on Beige G3s > or older. > > Our largest bulk of Macs to surplus are G3s and older. > > So, does anyone know of any tools for older systems (maybe an OS 9 > solution) one can use to wipe a disk 10x in a single pass...without > manually wiping the disk with a single pass ten times? i would suggest popping the drives into a FireWire drive dock (or just an open FireWire drive case) and executing the wipe from a system with a current OS, so you can use the tools you've identified.. alternatively, it seems likely you could do something with dd and the raw device file, similar to instructions i've seen for duplicating TiVO drives without mounting them btw, i recently tried to use the 7x wipe in Disk Utility on an internal 80GB drive, it ran for about 12 hours but i saw basically no progress in the "progress" bar, so i force quit Disk Utility and just reinitialized From rpeskin at rlpcon.com Sat Feb 14 21:37:23 2004 From: rpeskin at rlpcon.com (Richard Peskin) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:49 2005 Subject: HFS+ case-sensitive option Message-ID: <07C51F7F-5F79-11D8-9B4D-000A95A6858C@rlpcon.com> OS X Server 10.3 has a new HFS+ case-sensitive option for better support of legacy Unix files. Is this available on plain Panther, say via a defaults setting, or is it just a Server option? --dick peskin ________________________________________________________ Richard L. Peskin, RLP Consulting, Londonderry, VT http://www.rlpcon.com http://www.caip.rutgers.edu/~peskin From shoop at iwiring.net Sun Feb 15 14:21:50 2004 From: shoop at iwiring.net (Dan Shoop) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:49 2005 Subject: HFS+ case-sensitive option In-Reply-To: <07C51F7F-5F79-11D8-9B4D-000A95A6858C@rlpcon.com> References: <07C51F7F-5F79-11D8-9B4D-000A95A6858C@rlpcon.com> Message-ID: At 12:37 AM -0500 2/15/04, Richard Peskin wrote: >OS X Server 10.3 has a new HFS+ case-sensitive option for better >support of legacy Unix files. Is this available on plain Panther, >say via a defaults setting, or is it just a Server option? This isn't a system default but a distinct filesystem type. You'd need to have support for creating such a filesystem, mounting it and maintaining it for it to work. Furthermore being a filesystem this occurs on a volume by volume basis not system-wide (and thankfully so since it could lead to unexpected behavior with traditional Mac applications that assume case-preserving, not case sensitivite filesystems.) Support for creating such a volume isn't in the Disk Utility tool present with Mac OS X, so I'd say it's not offically supported. However /System/Library/Filesystems/hfs.fs/Contents/Info.plist does list it on Mac OS X and it does appear that diskutil supports creating such a device containing this filesystem. `man diskutil` for usage. Trying it myself I was able to create such a volume -- named "Casey" ;) -- under OS X 10.3 and test it: dshoop@ooblek.iwiring.net:/Users/dshoop 2 % cd /Volumes/Casey/ dshoop@ooblek.iwiring.net:/Volumes/Casey 3 % touch xYzZy dshoop@ooblek.iwiring.net:/Volumes/Casey 4 % touch XyZzY dshoop@ooblek.iwiring.net:/Volumes/Casey 5 % ls XyZzY xYzZy dshoop@ooblek.iwiring.net:/Volumes/Casey 6 % diskutil info /Volumes/Casey/ Device Node: /dev/disk4s12 Device Identifier: disk4s12 Mount Point: /Volumes/Casey Volume Name: Casey File System: Case-sensitive HFS+ Journal size 8192 k at offset 0xe000 Permissions: Disabled Partition Type: Apple_HFSX Bootable: Is bootable Media Type: Generic Protocol: FireWire Total Size: 1.5 GB Free Space: 1.5 GB Read Only: No Ejectable: No -- -dhan ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Dan Shoop shoop@iwiring.net Consulting Internet Architect shoop@mac.com AIM: iWiring pgp key fingerprint: FAC0 9434 B5A5 24A8 D0AF 12B1 7840 3BE7 3736 DE0B iWiring designs and supports Internet systems and networks based on Mac OS X, unix(tm), and Open Source applications technologies and offers 24x7, guaranteed support to registered clients. From donaldendres at hotmail.com Mon Feb 16 08:01:20 2004 From: donaldendres at hotmail.com (Donald Endres) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:49 2005 Subject: Kerberos in AD References: Message-ID: I've been investigating updating Active Directory with the Apple schema (defined in /etc/openldap/schema/apple.schema). Do you know if anyone has already written a script to run on Windows 2000 Server and do the Apple schema updates. I have a test environment standing by and if this script hasn't been written yet, then I'd like to take the time to write the script, test it in the test environment, document it, and post the results. If the script has already been written, I'd be willing to do a series of systematic tests and return the results to the author. The tests would relate to the functional requirements of the classroom environment I help to maintain. Suggestions for additional tests would be very much appreciated. Sincerely, -Donald Endres > Actually network home directories is the ONE feature the plug-in won't obey. > If you add Apple's schema (defined in /etc/openldap/schema/apple.schema) to > AD then yes, the plug-in will scan the schema and realize (and use) those > attributes. Gordon and SFU use their own custom schema elements (though if > you want to use SFU's schema items for things like UID you can do that > mapping from the AD plug-in itself) to get things to work: Gordon's is > designed to be used by the LDAPv3 plug-in vs. the AD plug-in. > > -- > Henry Stukenborg > > On a related subject, I seem to recall reading that if the AD plugin > > detected any Mac specific settings in the schema, it would use them. (I > > assume this means pointing to network home directories and such?). If > > that is true, what schema specifically does it support? I have used MS > > Services for Unix and Gordon Shukwit's AD schema mods and neither seem > > to be recognized. From milov at cslab.uwlax.edu Mon Feb 16 08:13:28 2004 From: milov at cslab.uwlax.edu (Milo Velimirovic) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:49 2005 Subject: Deleting files older than 30 days? In-Reply-To: <0EDF0B98-5EFE-11D8-BB5B-000393768D2C@mcgillsociety.org> References: <0EDF0B98-5EFE-11D8-BB5B-000393768D2C@mcgillsociety.org> Message-ID: <0E567506-609B-11D8-B98B-000393DB3604@cslab.uwlax.edu> Clarifications about find and xargs.... On Feb 14, 2004, at 8:57 AM, William H. Magill wrote: > On 13 Feb, 2004, at 20:24, Zach Bass wrote: >> We've set up an area of a file server for temporary file storage. We >> need >> to create a script that removes files older than 30 days from the user >> folders without deleting the user folders themselves. The path to >> these >> folders looks like this: [snip] > Eugene Lee gave you the "one-line" version of the find commands, > without all > of the "pretty" variable names. The "usual" usage of "find" -- type > -f" -- will > ignore directories and only look at regular files. (man find) > > BTW: One uses xargs instead of simply rm because there is a buffer > size limit > to the number of arguments which can be passed in find (and pipes). As > you > progress in your experience with System Administration you will > encounter > many situations where some "one" or some "thing" has created a huge > number > of files in one directory which you want to remove. One uses xargs with find because of the process overhead. When one writes "find ... -exec rm {} \;" a process is created for each file that matches the find criteria. By using "find ... -print0 | xargs -0 cmd " the file names are batched into a command line buffer and only as many cmd processes are created as are needed to process each buffer. > > BTW2: > On 13 Feb, 2004, at 21:55, Tom Jennings wrote: >> It has an old, unpleasant and somewhat tricky syntax, but it does a >> lot >> of neat stuff. > > The find command (and many others) uses "regular expressions" which > ARE arcane, > but "regexp" are the heart and soul of Unix. (man regexp, re_format, > re_comp, expr) > and the OReilly book on Regular Expressions. The find command uses shell style wild-card matching in the -name primary. It is similar to but not the same as regular expressions. From man find: -name pattern True if the last component of the pathname being examined matches pattern. Special shell pattern matching characters (``['', ``]'', ``*'', and ``?'') may be used as part of pattern. These characters may be matched explicitly by escaping them with a backslash (``\''). In order to use regular expressions one needs find's -regex or -iregex primaries. man find for exact details of using regex with find. > > One last comment. > It is not unusual for the results you expect from this kind of routine > to be different from what you get. The primary reason for this is the > definition of "time." > atime - Access time: in 24 hour granularity (i.e. days only) > ctime - Change of file status information: also in 24 hour > granularity > mtime - file last modification time: also in 24 hour granularity > > While this seems straight forward, the problems occur because A) The > 24 hour period is relative to the time at which the find command is > executed B) the fact that 'mtime" is normally the only value ever > displayed (via ls) and C) the update of these values is dependent upon > the particulars of the specific "open/close" activity. > > Log files are a good example. They will show via ls -l the date the > log file had the last record added to it... but it won't show you the > time the file was last ACCESSED, say by someone simply issuing a > "tail" against the file. > > Why is this important? Because you will invariably delete files that > people claim they use every day! Simply because those files are being > READ and not WRITTEN (and hence modified). [This is a no-win > situation. "You will always manage to erase the files belonging to > your boss's boss, who should have known better but doesn't" -- > Murphy.] > > For temporary storage, this is not (or should not be) an issue. But > "users" have a bad habit of circumventing disk storage quotas by > sticking stuff in temporary storage, where there is no quota, and then > expecting it to remain there! > > T.T.F.N. > William H. Magill > # Beige G3 - Rev A motherboard - 768 Meg > # Flat-panel iMac (2.1) 800MHz - Super Drive - 768 Meg > # PWS433a [Alpha 21164 Rev 7.2 (EV56)- 64 Meg]- Tru64 5.1a > # XP1000 - [Alpha EV6] > magill@mcgillsociety.org > magill@acm.org > magill@mac.com > > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-admin mailing list > MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin > > -- Milo Velimirovi? Unix Computer Network Administrator ITS Network Services University of Wisconsin - La Crosse La Crosse, Wisconsin 54601 USA 43 48 05 N 91 14 22 W -- There are 10 different types of people in the world. Those who can read binary and those who can't. From lists at logicunited.com Mon Feb 16 12:24:22 2004 From: lists at logicunited.com (Christian van der leeden) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:49 2005 Subject: Installing MacOSX Server 10.3 w/o monitor on xserve Message-ID: <1B0B775A-60BE-11D8-ABF9-0003931E2B5A@logicunited.com> Hi, just wondering if it is possible to install OSX Server 10.3 on a XServe G4 w/o having a VGA Monitor attached. I've heard that for the G5 you don't need a Monitor and just attach a powerbook with server admin, which detects the machine via rendezvous. Is this also feasible with a G4 (which has right now 10.2 installed) w/o hooking it up to a VGA Monitor? If yes a small howto would be very much appreciated.. (we just borrowed an xserve G4 until our G5s arrive :-) Christian From crank at pushhere.com Mon Feb 16 12:38:48 2004 From: crank at pushhere.com (Chris Rank) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:49 2005 Subject: Raw Stats from WM Message-ID: <1F69E7CB-60C0-11D8-BE48-000A95908C20@pushhere.com> Here is an interesting question. Does anyone know how to get the raw data that WorkGroup Manager is generating is graphs with for network traffic and CPU usage? Christopher Rank Information Technology Manager PUSH Precise Strategy. Stinging Creative.TM 101 Ernestine Street Orlando, FL 32801 407.841.2299 FAX: 407.841.0999 crank@pushhere.com www.pushhere.com From ericg01 at verizon.net Mon Feb 16 13:19:02 2004 From: ericg01 at verizon.net (Eric Gorr) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:49 2005 Subject: Changing the 'Short Name' of a user Message-ID: What is the correct procedure for changing the 'short name' of a user? In this case, it is the admin user for the machine running MacOSX 10.3.2. The machine belonged to another person who has since left the company. While I imagine a new admin user could just be created and the files transferred from one home directory to another, it would seem better to just be able to change the name on the account. Thank you. From subscriber at gloaming.com Mon Feb 16 13:25:56 2004 From: subscriber at gloaming.com (James Bucanek) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:49 2005 Subject: Changing the 'Short Name' of a user In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Eric Gorr wrote on Monday, February 16, 2004: >What is the correct procedure for changing the 'short name' of a user? Click on "Online Content". ______________________________________________________ James Bucanek From ericg01 at verizon.net Mon Feb 16 13:43:50 2004 From: ericg01 at verizon.net (Eric Gorr) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:49 2005 Subject: Changing the 'Short Name' of a user In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 2:25 PM -0700 2/16/04, James Bucanek wrote: >Eric Gorr wrote on Monday, February 16, 2004: > >>What is the correct procedure for changing the 'short name' of a user? > > > >Click on "Online Content". Thanks, but it would appear that this procedure is a bit out-of-date for Panther: "I will soon be posting an updated set of instructions for Panther (OS X 10.3), taken from the upcoming Second Edition of Mac OS X Power Tools." I suppose I could head out and pick up a copy of the book tonight, but was hoping to take care of the problem sooner. Any idea if the utility mentioned on that page can be found anywhere or is it incomplete at this time? From magill at mcgillsociety.org Mon Feb 16 13:52:17 2004 From: magill at mcgillsociety.org (William H. Magill) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:49 2005 Subject: Installing MacOSX Server 10.3 w/o monitor on xserve In-Reply-To: <1B0B775A-60BE-11D8-ABF9-0003931E2B5A@logicunited.com> References: <1B0B775A-60BE-11D8-ABF9-0003931E2B5A@logicunited.com> Message-ID: <63A107EA-60CA-11D8-BB98-000393768D2C@mcgillsociety.org> On 16 Feb, 2004, at 15:24, Christian van der leeden wrote: > just wondering if it is possible to install OSX Server 10.3 on a > XServe G4 w/o having a VGA Monitor attached. I've heard > that for the G5 you don't need a Monitor and just attach > a powerbook with server admin, which detects the machine > via rendezvous. Is this also feasible with a G4 (which has > right now 10.2 installed) w/o hooking it up to a VGA Monitor? > If yes a small howto would be very much appreciated.. > (we just borrowed an xserve G4 until our G5s arrive :-) It supposedly can be done via the serial port. It was designed that way. But I've never tried it. Put another way -- the hardware is designed to function headless; but I don't know if the installation software will. (I was told that it is possible to install completely from the command line, but again, I've never seen it done.) Note that "headless," simply means no GUI monitor. A console (aka serial interface) is still required. In general, no OS can be installed on any hardware without a directly connected console and keyboard (typically via a KVM - Keyboard, Video, Mouse - switch). Once past the Open Firmware boot prompt, no console is necessary (assuming the OS is running); the Xserve can be administered completely via the network interface (including reboots). This is identical to any other Unix or Linux platform. T.T.F.N. William H. Magill # Beige G3 - Rev A motherboard - 768 Meg # Flat-panel iMac (2.1) 800MHz - Super Drive - 768 Meg # PWS433a [Alpha 21164 Rev 7.2 (EV56)- 64 Meg]- Tru64 5.1a # XP1000 - [Alpha EV6] magill@mcgillsociety.org magill@acm.org magill@mac.com From shoop at iwiring.net Mon Feb 16 14:25:11 2004 From: shoop at iwiring.net (Dan Shoop) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:49 2005 Subject: Installing MacOSX Server 10.3 w/o monitor on xserve In-Reply-To: <1B0B775A-60BE-11D8-ABF9-0003931E2B5A@logicunited.com> References: <1B0B775A-60BE-11D8-ABF9-0003931E2B5A@logicunited.com> Message-ID: At 9:24 PM +0100 2/16/04, Christian van der leeden wrote: >Hi, > > just wondering if it is possible to install OSX Server 10.3 on a >XServe G4 w/o having a VGA Monitor attached. I've heard >that for the G5 you don't need a Monitor and just attach >a powerbook with server admin, which detects the machine >via rendezvous. Technically you can do a remote boot and load, but it's very unpleasant. Read the procedure listed in the docs. You can also fiddle with the console buttons and lights and get it to do things too. > Is this also feasible with a G4 (which has >right now 10.2 installed) w/o hooking it up to a VGA Monitor? Probably, it's a convoluted netboot. >If yes a small howto would be very much appreciated.. >(we just borrowed an xserve G4 until our G5s arrive :-) RTFM. It's documented. -- -dhan ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Dan Shoop shoop@iwiring.net Consulting Internet Architect shoop@mac.com AIM: iWiring pgp key fingerprint: FAC0 9434 B5A5 24A8 D0AF 12B1 7840 3BE7 3736 DE0B iWiring designs and supports Internet systems and networks based on Mac OS X, unix(tm), and Open Source applications technologies and offers 24x7, guaranteed support to registered clients. How can we help? From tosi at orku.net Mon Feb 16 14:31:14 2004 From: tosi at orku.net (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=DE=F3r_Sigur=F0sson?=) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:49 2005 Subject: Panther Cyrus In-Reply-To: <5CEDC3CE-5BF3-11D8-ADAC-000A958F7A2A@mac.com> References: <38792A44-5B86-11D8-9AF8-000A95A6858C@rlpcon.com> <5CEDC3CE-5BF3-11D8-ADAC-000A958F7A2A@mac.com> Message-ID: I'd recommend installing cyrus manually anyway, since the default cyrus implementation breaks 8-bit uncoded subject lines. ( Before the debate on the (in)correctness of using 8-bit in Subject lines / Headers starts, this has been discussed in almost all mailing lists, and won't be solved by arguing. There are two opinions, and will continue to be, on the matter. ) Cyrus changes 8-bit subject lines by default, replacing 8-bit characters with "X", so "Subject: S?v?r gr?t ?v? ?lpan var? ?n?t" becomes "Subject: SSXvXr grXt XvX Xlpan varX XnXt". This is fixable by commenting out two lines in the cyrus code: bash-2.05# find . -name '*.c' -exec ggrep -H \'X\' {} \; ./imap/message.c: /* *p = 'X'; */ ./imap/spool.c: /* c = 'X'; */ before compiling. Also, it's relatively simple to administer cyrus via commandline, easy to script against it, and not so hard to configure once the admin understands the functionality of the server ( which of course ANY decent administrator should do :) ) Also, by manually compiling cyrus gives a better upgrade path ( in your control, not Apples, which seem erratic at best ), and better control over the configuration, and therefore the utilization of resources, which are the holy grail of all admins taking a long walk on a short budget :) -tosi On 10.2.2004, at 18:03, Bill Lloyd wrote: > It's not included in "plain old" Panther. Sure, you can install it. > OS X is just OS X, after all. There's no magic mojo in OS X Server > that says you can't install other components yourself, but you won't > get the management tools, so command line it is for you ;-) > > Cheers, > > -Bill > > On Feb 9, 2004, at 9:01 PM, Richard Peskin wrote: > >> Cyrus is included in Panther server. Is it included in Panther (not >> server), or can it be installed? >> thanks, >> --dick peskin >> >> >> >> Richard L. Peskin, RLP Consulting, Londonderry, VT >> http://www.rlpcon.com >> http://www.caip.rutgers.edu/~peskin >> _______________________________________________ >> MacOSX-admin mailing list >> MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com >> http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin > > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-admin mailing list > MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin From shoop at iwiring.net Mon Feb 16 14:33:23 2004 From: shoop at iwiring.net (Dan Shoop) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:49 2005 Subject: Installing MacOSX Server 10.3 w/o monitor on xserve In-Reply-To: <63A107EA-60CA-11D8-BB98-000393768D2C@mcgillsociety.org> References: <1B0B775A-60BE-11D8-ABF9-0003931E2B5A@logicunited.com> <63A107EA-60CA-11D8-BB98-000393768D2C@mcgillsociety.org> Message-ID: At 4:52 PM -0500 2/16/04, William H. Magill wrote: >On 16 Feb, 2004, at 15:24, Christian van der leeden wrote: >> just wondering if it is possible to install OSX Server 10.3 on a >>XServe G4 w/o having a VGA Monitor attached. I've heard >>that for the G5 you don't need a Monitor and just attach >>a powerbook with server admin, which detects the machine >>via rendezvous. Is this also feasible with a G4 (which has >>right now 10.2 installed) w/o hooking it up to a VGA Monitor? >>If yes a small howto would be very much appreciated.. >>(we just borrowed an xserve G4 until our G5s arrive :-) > >It supposedly can be done via the serial port. It was designed that way. >But I've never tried it. No it can't be done through the serial port that I'm aware of. This port is 100% useless until the system is up. The kind folks over at OpenBSD have been doing some work to make it functional as a real console port, but under default OS X or OS X Server it's not. Actually I should clarify that. You can boot from the CD headless and it's supposed provide provide login on the console. I've never seen it work. But you can't power on the machine w/o a boot disk and have a working console through the serial port. >Put another way -- the hardware is designed to function headless; >but I don't know if the >installation software will. (I was told that it is possible to >install completely from the command line, but again, I've never seen >it done.) Available methods for IPL's are all documented in the "Getting Started" manual. See page 85 and abouts. >Note that "headless," simply means no GUI monitor. A console (aka >serial interface) is still required. Actually you can boot one without anything by pushing from another "admin" machine w a local image of the Install CDs. > In general, no OS can be installed on any hardware without a >directly connected console and keyboard (typically via a KVM - >Keyboard, Video, Mouse - switch). RTFM, it is possible, apparently. >Once past the Open Firmware boot prompt, no console is necessary >(assuming the OS is running); the Xserve can be administered >completely via the network interface (including reboots). The XServe can also be configure through dablinkenlights -- -dhan ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Dan Shoop shoop@iwiring.net Consulting Internet Architect shoop@mac.com AIM: iWiring pgp key fingerprint: FAC0 9434 B5A5 24A8 D0AF 12B1 7840 3BE7 3736 DE0B iWiring designs and supports Internet systems and networks based on Mac OS X, unix(tm), and Open Source applications technologies and offers 24x7, guaranteed support to registered clients. How can we help? From lists at colorremedies.com Mon Feb 16 14:39:47 2004 From: lists at colorremedies.com (Chris Murphy) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:49 2005 Subject: Changing the 'Short Name' of a user In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <063A7012-60D1-11D8-B684-0003934CBC52@colorremedies.com> On Feb 16, 2004, at 2:19 PM, Eric Gorr wrote: > What is the correct procedure for changing the 'short name' of a user? > > In this case, it is the admin user for the machine running MacOSX > 10.3.2. The machine belonged to another person who has since left the > company. While I imagine a new admin user could just be created and > the files transferred from one home directory to another, it would > seem better to just be able to change the name on the account. I've done this before in the early OS X days, haven't tried it with Panther, just using NetInfo Manager. If you want to change the home directory name as well, then you need to set that in NetInfo Manager as well. Ownership is actually by user ID, which is resolved into a user name and since the user ID is changing all it takes is netinfo refreshing for the change to take effect. I'm seeing quite a few more properties that have values of 'chris' in it than I recall, and I'm not sure if all of them should be changed or not. Chris Murphy Color Remedies (TM) www.colorremedies.com/realworldcolor --------------------------------------------------------- Co-author "Real World Color Management" Published by PeachPit Press (ISBN 0-201-77340-6) From lists at logicunited.com Mon Feb 16 15:00:12 2004 From: lists at logicunited.com (Christian van der leeden) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:49 2005 Subject: Changing the 'Short Name' of a user In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Fire up Netinfo Manager and go to "/Users" Change it there :-) Christian On Feb 16, 2004, at 10:43 PM, Eric Gorr wrote: > At 2:25 PM -0700 2/16/04, James Bucanek wrote: >> Eric Gorr wrote on Monday, February 16, 2004: >> >>> What is the correct procedure for changing the 'short name' of a >>> user? >> >> >> >> Click on "Online Content". > > Thanks, but it would appear that this procedure is a bit out-of-date > for Panther: > > "I will soon be posting an updated set of instructions for Panther > (OS X 10.3), taken from the upcoming Second Edition of Mac OS X > Power Tools." > > I suppose I could head out and pick up a copy of the book tonight, but > was hoping to take care of the problem sooner. > > Any idea if the utility mentioned on that page can be found anywhere > or is it incomplete at this time? > > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-admin mailing list > MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin From macosx-admin at sjk.us Mon Feb 16 15:42:51 2004 From: macosx-admin at sjk.us (Scott J. Kramer) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:49 2005 Subject: Panther Cyrus In-Reply-To: References: <38792A44-5B86-11D8-9AF8-000A95A6858C@rlpcon.com> <5CEDC3CE-5BF3-11D8-ADAC-000A958F7A2A@mac.com> Message-ID: <2147483647.1076938971@aura.luxnet.org> --On Monday, February 16, 2004 22:31 +0000 "??r Sigur?sson" wrote: > I'd recommend installing cyrus manually anyway, since the default cyrus > implementation breaks 8-bit uncoded subject lines. The generic Cyrus IMAP 2.2.3 distribution (still) doesn't configure on Panther by default: % ./configure checking build system type... configure: error: cannot guess build type; you must specify one There's no mention of OS X or Darwin at all in the distribution. Are there patches and/or a recommended way of configuring it on X? -sjk From artemis at spies.com Mon Feb 16 15:49:31 2004 From: artemis at spies.com (Kelly Rollefson) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:49 2005 Subject: PB stuck booting into console. Message-ID: [Sorry for the x-post if you're on the apple list, but this is an urgent issue, and I've yet to get any response over there...] One of my users came to me today saying that his Pismo (running Mac OS X 10.3.2) was acting funny. It turns out that his machine is stuck booting into the console. Poking around in the list archives and through the usual sites didn't yield much help. I've tried the following to no avail: - Boot into Open Firmware - "reset-nvram" - "reset-all" - Boot from Panther CD - reset password - set main hard drive as boot disk - Boot normally (which goes into console) - 'sudo nvram boot-args=""' It's still booting into console every time. When I look at the nvram variables, nothing jumps out as wrong, but that could just be that I don't know what I should be looking for. I need to get this machine back to booting to the standard Apple login screen. Anyone have any pointers that could set me on the right track? Thanks, Kelly -*- The Mac, truly, rules. Any developer that says otherwise has forgotten what it means to love computers. - Cabel Sasser, Panic, Inc. Co-Founder From b.lloyd at mac.com Mon Feb 16 15:55:36 2004 From: b.lloyd at mac.com (Bill Lloyd) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:49 2005 Subject: Installing MacOSX Server 10.3 w/o monitor on xserve In-Reply-To: <1B0B775A-60BE-11D8-ABF9-0003931E2B5A@logicunited.com> References: <1B0B775A-60BE-11D8-ABF9-0003931E2B5A@logicunited.com> Message-ID: <9DCFB04E-60DB-11D8-9481-000A958F7A2A@mac.com> This is pretty straightforward -- this exact use case is covered in the OS X Server Administration & Integration class. All the steps (ssh session to format and partition, followed by complete software install and then running admin apps from a remote machine) is covered. However I don't know if the same walkthrough is provided somewhere else. Cheers, -Bill On Feb 16, 2004, at 12:24 PM, Christian van der leeden wrote: > Hi, > > just wondering if it is possible to install OSX Server 10.3 on a > XServe G4 w/o having a VGA Monitor attached. I've heard > that for the G5 you don't need a Monitor and just attach > a powerbook with server admin, which detects the machine > via rendezvous. Is this also feasible with a G4 (which has > right now 10.2 installed) w/o hooking it up to a VGA Monitor? > If yes a small howto would be very much appreciated.. > (we just borrowed an xserve G4 until our G5s arrive :-) > > Christian > > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-admin mailing list > MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin From fabienlroy at mac.com Mon Feb 16 16:19:44 2004 From: fabienlroy at mac.com (Fabien Roy) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:49 2005 Subject: PB stuck booting into console. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: One suggestion: 1) get DiskWarior CD, boot from it and do a file system check. 2) (No DW CD) Boot with the OS X install CD and run "Disk Utility" to check the file system. Fabien On Feb 16, 2004, at 3:49 PM, Kelly Rollefson wrote: > [Sorry for the x-post if you're on the apple list, but this is an > urgent issue, and I've yet to get any response over there...] > > One of my users came to me today saying that his Pismo (running Mac OS > X 10.3.2) was acting funny. It turns out that his machine is stuck > booting into the console. > > Poking around in the list archives and through the usual sites didn't > yield much help. I've tried the following to no avail: > > - Boot into Open Firmware > - "reset-nvram" > - "reset-all" > - Boot from Panther CD > - reset password > - set main hard drive as boot disk > - Boot normally (which goes into console) > - 'sudo nvram boot-args=""' > > It's still booting into console every time. When I look at the nvram > variables, nothing jumps out as wrong, but that could just be that I > don't know what I should be looking for. > > I need to get this machine back to booting to the standard Apple login > screen. Anyone have any pointers that could set me on the right track? > > Thanks, > Kelly > > > -*- > The Mac, truly, rules. Any developer that says otherwise has forgotten > what it means to love computers. > - Cabel Sasser, Panic, Inc. Co-Founder > > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-admin mailing list > MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin From artemis at spies.com Mon Feb 16 16:54:28 2004 From: artemis at spies.com (Kelly Rollefson) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:49 2005 Subject: PB stuck booting into console. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I had already done the repair from the Panther CD to no effect. (Sorry for not mentioning.) I just got done doing a DW rebuild. Still nojoy. I'm gonna try it again to see if it takes this time. Any other suggestions if that doesn't work? Thanks for your help! Kelly On Feb 16, 2004, at 4:19 PM, Fabien Roy wrote: > One suggestion: > 1) get DiskWarior CD, boot from it and do a file system check. > 2) (No DW CD) Boot with the OS X install CD and run "Disk Utility" to > check the file system. > > Fabien > On Feb 16, 2004, at 3:49 PM, Kelly Rollefson wrote: > >> [Sorry for the x-post if you're on the apple list, but this is an >> urgent issue, and I've yet to get any response over there...] >> >> One of my users came to me today saying that his Pismo (running Mac >> OS X 10.3.2) was acting funny. It turns out that his machine is stuck >> booting into the console. >> >> Poking around in the list archives and through the usual sites didn't >> yield much help. I've tried the following to no avail: >> >> - Boot into Open Firmware >> - "reset-nvram" >> - "reset-all" >> - Boot from Panther CD >> - reset password >> - set main hard drive as boot disk >> - Boot normally (which goes into console) >> - 'sudo nvram boot-args=""' >> >> It's still booting into console every time. When I look at the nvram >> variables, nothing jumps out as wrong, but that could just be that I >> don't know what I should be looking for. >> >> I need to get this machine back to booting to the standard Apple >> login screen. Anyone have any pointers that could set me on the right >> track? >> >> Thanks, >> Kelly >> >> >> -*- >> The Mac, truly, rules. Any developer that says otherwise has >> forgotten what it means to love computers. >> - Cabel Sasser, Panic, Inc. Co-Founder >> >> _______________________________________________ >> MacOSX-admin mailing list >> MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com >> http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin >> From dwikeley at utas.edu.au Mon Feb 16 17:01:28 2004 From: dwikeley at utas.edu.au (David Wikeley) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:49 2005 Subject: Sendmail and perl script Message-ID: Hi all, On 10.2 server we used to use Sendmail with perl forms as below $mailprog = '/usr/sbin/sendmail -oi -t'; What is the equivalent on 10.3 and is there anything we have to do to configure the mail program? I suspect that we also need to have the mail service going, is this correct? thanks. From fabienlroy at mac.com Mon Feb 16 17:24:08 2004 From: fabienlroy at mac.com (Fabien Roy) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:49 2005 Subject: PB stuck booting into console. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Boot in verbose mode (command V) to see what error you have. Also booted with DW check for recovered files. Fabien On Feb 16, 2004, at 4:54 PM, Kelly Rollefson wrote: > I had already done the repair from the Panther CD to no effect. (Sorry > for not mentioning.) I just got done doing a DW rebuild. Still nojoy. > I'm gonna try it again to see if it takes this time. > > Any other suggestions if that doesn't work? > > Thanks for your help! > Kelly > > On Feb 16, 2004, at 4:19 PM, Fabien Roy wrote: > >> One suggestion: >> 1) get DiskWarior CD, boot from it and do a file system check. >> 2) (No DW CD) Boot with the OS X install CD and run "Disk Utility" to >> check the file system. >> >> Fabien >> On Feb 16, 2004, at 3:49 PM, Kelly Rollefson wrote: >> >>> [Sorry for the x-post if you're on the apple list, but this is an >>> urgent issue, and I've yet to get any response over there...] >>> >>> One of my users came to me today saying that his Pismo (running Mac >>> OS X 10.3.2) was acting funny. It turns out that his machine is >>> stuck booting into the console. >>> >>> Poking around in the list archives and through the usual sites >>> didn't yield much help. I've tried the following to no avail: >>> >>> - Boot into Open Firmware >>> - "reset-nvram" >>> - "reset-all" >>> - Boot from Panther CD >>> - reset password >>> - set main hard drive as boot disk >>> - Boot normally (which goes into console) >>> - 'sudo nvram boot-args=""' >>> >>> It's still booting into console every time. When I look at the nvram >>> variables, nothing jumps out as wrong, but that could just be that I >>> don't know what I should be looking for. >>> >>> I need to get this machine back to booting to the standard Apple >>> login screen. Anyone have any pointers that could set me on the >>> right track? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Kelly >>> >>> >>> -*- >>> The Mac, truly, rules. Any developer that says otherwise has >>> forgotten what it means to love computers. >>> - Cabel Sasser, Panic, Inc. Co-Founder >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> MacOSX-admin mailing list >>> MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com >>> http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin >>> > From shoop at iwiring.net Mon Feb 16 18:03:56 2004 From: shoop at iwiring.net (Dan Shoop) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:49 2005 Subject: Sendmail and perl script In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 12:01 PM +1100 2/17/04, David Wikeley wrote: >Hi all, > On 10.2 server we used to use Sendmail with perl forms as below > >$mailprog = '/usr/sbin/sendmail -oi -t'; > >What is the equivalent on 10.3 and is there anything we have to do >to configure the mail program? I suspect that we also need to have >the mail service going, is this correct? First, you shouldn't use shell exec's to sendmail in Perl, it's just a bad Perl programming practice. There's the wonderful MAIL::MAILER modules that are, yes hard to believe, easier to use and actually work when you're not running a local SMTP server. That said... OS X 10.3 doesn't include sendmail (as doesn't many Unix and Linux distros) and uses Postfix instead. Postfix is pretty much a drop in replacement for sendmail and you may just be able to symlink it. Of course then you'll still have to have Postfix configured and running on your machine which you may not want to do. So it's better to scold the mispracticing Perl programmer. -- -dhan ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Dan Shoop shoop@iwiring.net Consulting Internet Architect shoop@mac.com AIM: iWiring pgp key fingerprint: FAC0 9434 B5A5 24A8 D0AF 12B1 7840 3BE7 3736 DE0B iWiring designs and supports Internet systems and networks based on Mac OS X, unix(tm), and Open Source applications technologies and offers 24x7, guaranteed support to registered clients. How can we help? From dwikeley at utas.edu.au Mon Feb 16 18:53:17 2004 From: dwikeley at utas.edu.au (David Wikeley) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:50 2005 Subject: Sendmail and perl script In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <703F51BE-60F4-11D8-BC90-000A95AF28C8@utas.edu.au> On 17/02/2004, at 1:03 PM, Dan Shoop wrote: > > First, you shouldn't use shell exec's to sendmail in Perl, it's just a > bad Perl programming practice. There's the wonderful MAIL::MAILER > modules that are, yes hard to believe, easier to use and actually work > when you're not running a local SMTP server. > Dan, we have been using FormMail.pl for years with all flavours of OSX with no issues, now we need to run this on 10.3, we don't use our 10.3 server for anthing except Web and FTP services. What is the MAIL::MAILER that you are talking about? > That said... > > OS X 10.3 doesn't include sendmail (as doesn't many Unix and Linux > distros) and uses Postfix instead. Postfix is pretty much a drop in > replacement for sendmail and you may just be able to symlink it. Of > course then you'll still have to have Postfix configured and running > on your machine which you may not want to do. > 10.3 does include sendmail, have a look in /usr/sbin although it seems to be tied to Postfix. > So it's better to scold the mispracticing Perl programmer. > > I would love to scold the programmer if its bad practice, but it has worked well for us in the past. If you no of alternatives to Formmail.pl that are easy for users to configure could you let us know. thanks. From shoop at iwiring.net Mon Feb 16 20:11:17 2004 From: shoop at iwiring.net (Dan Shoop) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:50 2005 Subject: Sendmail and perl script In-Reply-To: <703F51BE-60F4-11D8-BC90-000A95AF28C8@utas.edu.au> References: <703F51BE-60F4-11D8-BC90-000A95AF28C8@utas.edu.au> Message-ID: At 1:53 PM +1100 2/17/04, David Wikeley wrote: >On 17/02/2004, at 1:03 PM, Dan Shoop wrote: >> >>First, you shouldn't use shell exec's to sendmail in Perl, it's >>just a bad Perl programming practice. There's the wonderful >>MAIL::MAILER modules that are, yes hard to believe, easier to use >>and actually work when you're not running a local SMTP server. >> >Dan, > we have been using FormMail.pl for years with all flavours of >OSX with no issues, now we need to run this on 10.3, we don't use >our 10.3 server for anthing except Web and FTP services. If you're server is just configured for web and ftp then sounds like it doesn't have mail services running on it and you need to send the mail to a server that actually will process it. OS X 10.3 like many *ix distros also doesn't use sendmail, but another MTA, in this case postfix. Postix has linkaages that it make it a sendmail drop in replacement, see the man page. > What is the MAIL::MAILER that you are talking about? This is where the Perl libraries for MAIL come in. Rather than the lazy way of exec'ing a shell to some sort of mail server binary hopefully running on the local system, (which in your case is postfix rather than senmail), the Perl MAIL libraries allow you to send mail through a set of Perl objects, function calls, or methods to any mail server, like the mail server you're already running for your network. If you do want to be lazy, then fix up postfix and make sure it's configured to at least /send/ email, if not receive it. Now I haven't used formail.pl for a while (it has its issues) but I thought that it could use Mail::Mailer by now. For docs try the canonical `perldocs mail::mailer` >>That said... >> >>OS X 10.3 doesn't include sendmail (as doesn't many Unix and Linux >>distros) and uses Postfix instead. Postfix is pretty much a drop in >>replacement for sendmail and you may just be able to symlink it. Of >>course then you'll still have to have Postfix configured and >>running on your machine which you may not want to do. >> >10.3 does include sendmail, have a look in /usr/sbin although it >seems to be tied to Postfix. As noted, this sin't sendmail. >>So it's better to scold the mispracticing Perl programmer. >> >I would love to scold the programmer if its bad practice, well it is > but it has worked well for us in the past. And this is why you don't do this, because it doesn't always work. > If you no of alternatives to Formmail.pl that are easy for users to >configure could you let us know. Most users can just use the canonical Perl or PHP functions in their CGIs. Or you can just fix formmail.pl, it wouldn't be hard, it's a pretty simple script and you're actually making it simpler. -- -dhan ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Dan Shoop shoop@iwiring.net Consulting Internet Architect shoop@mac.com AIM: iWiring pgp key fingerprint: FAC0 9434 B5A5 24A8 D0AF 12B1 7840 3BE7 3736 DE0B iWiring designs and supports Internet systems and networks based on Mac OS X, unix(tm), and Open Source applications technologies and offers 24x7, guaranteed support to registered clients. How can we help? From mbartosh at mac.com Mon Feb 16 20:21:28 2004 From: mbartosh at mac.com (Michael Bartosh) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:50 2005 Subject: Sendmail and perl script In-Reply-To: <703F51BE-60F4-11D8-BC90-000A95AF28C8@utas.edu.au> References: <703F51BE-60F4-11D8-BC90-000A95AF28C8@utas.edu.au> Message-ID: At 1:53 PM +1100 2/17/04, David Wikeley wrote: >10.3 does include sendmail, have a look in /usr/sbin although it >seems to be tied to Postfix. It's a drop-in replacement supplied by postfix. It's not in any way related to sendmail other than that it replaces it. -- http://www.4am-media.com Mac OS X Consulting and Training Michael Bartosh mbartosh@4am-media.com 303.517.0272 Denver, CO "The surest way to corrupt a youth is to instruct him to hold in higher regard those who think alike than those who think differently." - -- Nietzsche Think Different. From hEADcRASH at aGGROcULTURE.com Mon Feb 16 21:29:31 2004 From: hEADcRASH at aGGROcULTURE.com (Glenn Sugden) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:50 2005 Subject: PB stuck booting into console. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <434FEEA2-610A-11D8-BDB7-000A95D98CDE@aGGROcULTURE.com> I *just* read an article about adding a line to a config (or .plist) file that lets you boot into the console... I'll dig it up if you are still having the problem... ::Glenn --- I'm listening to "Blades" by P.I.G. from The Swining / Red Raw & Sore From subscriber at gloaming.com Mon Feb 16 22:47:26 2004 From: subscriber at gloaming.com (James Bucanek) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:50 2005 Subject: GUI log-in detection In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Greetings, I've search the archives, and my own personal archives, and can't find this answer -- so I'm pinging the list. I have the vague recollection that someone posted information about how to tell if someone was currently logged into the Mac OS X GUI. I'm especially interested now, in Panther, because I need to determine if some other user is currently logged in via Fast User Switching. ______________________________________________________ James Bucanek From artemis at spies.com Tue Feb 17 00:25:00 2004 From: artemis at spies.com (Kelly Rollefson) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:50 2005 Subject: PB stuck booting into console. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: A little bird just, as I was typing this, told me that it sounds like Login Window is causing the issue rather than something more sinister. This, of course, means NetInfo fun and games. Anyhow, I guess I have some testing to do Wednesday, when I next get to see the machine in the plastic. (Luckily, I have a nice simple "known good" nidb that I keep for just these occasions.) I'll let you know what happens! Thanks again for all your help! Kelly On Feb 16, 2004, at 5:24 PM, Fabien Roy wrote: > Boot in verbose mode (command V) to see what error you have. Also > booted with DW check for recovered files. > > Fabien > On Feb 16, 2004, at 4:54 PM, Kelly Rollefson wrote: > >> I had already done the repair from the Panther CD to no effect. >> (Sorry for not mentioning.) I just got done doing a DW rebuild. Still >> nojoy. I'm gonna try it again to see if it takes this time. >> >> Any other suggestions if that doesn't work? >> >> Thanks for your help! >> Kelly >> >> On Feb 16, 2004, at 4:19 PM, Fabien Roy wrote: >> >>> One suggestion: >>> 1) get DiskWarior CD, boot from it and do a file system check. >>> 2) (No DW CD) Boot with the OS X install CD and run "Disk Utility" >>> to check the file system. >>> >>> Fabien >>> On Feb 16, 2004, at 3:49 PM, Kelly Rollefson wrote: >>> >>>> [Sorry for the x-post if you're on the apple list, but this is an >>>> urgent issue, and I've yet to get any response over there...] >>>> >>>> One of my users came to me today saying that his Pismo (running Mac >>>> OS X 10.3.2) was acting funny. It turns out that his machine is >>>> stuck booting into the console. >>>> >>>> Poking around in the list archives and through the usual sites >>>> didn't yield much help. I've tried the following to no avail: >>>> >>>> - Boot into Open Firmware >>>> - "reset-nvram" >>>> - "reset-all" >>>> - Boot from Panther CD >>>> - reset password >>>> - set main hard drive as boot disk >>>> - Boot normally (which goes into console) >>>> - 'sudo nvram boot-args=""' >>>> >>>> It's still booting into console every time. When I look at the >>>> nvram variables, nothing jumps out as wrong, but that could just be >>>> that I don't know what I should be looking for. >>>> >>>> I need to get this machine back to booting to the standard Apple >>>> login screen. Anyone have any pointers that could set me on the >>>> right track? >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> Kelly >>>> >>>> >>>> -*- >>>> The Mac, truly, rules. Any developer that says otherwise has >>>> forgotten what it means to love computers. >>>> - Cabel Sasser, Panic, Inc. Co-Founder >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> MacOSX-admin mailing list >>>> MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com >>>> http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin >>>> >> > > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-admin mailing list > MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin > From leonvs at occam.com Tue Feb 17 05:20:40 2004 From: leonvs at occam.com (Leon Towns-von Stauber) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:50 2005 Subject: GUI log-in detection In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <14EFCBB3-614C-11D8-899B-003065A76B44@occam.com> > I have the vague recollection that someone posted information about > how to tell if someone was currently logged into the Mac OS X GUI. > I'm especially interested now, in Panther, because I need to determine > if some other user is currently logged in via Fast User Switching. A quick peek at the process list indicates that anyone logged into the GUI has a loginwindow process running; the user with current control of the screen has a loginwindow process with a "console" argument. (I'd confirm that observation with your own tests or other's experiences.) _____________________________________________________________ Leon Towns-von Stauber http://www.occam.com/leonvs/ "We have not come to save you, but you will not die in vain!" From subscriber at gloaming.com Tue Feb 17 07:03:17 2004 From: subscriber at gloaming.com (James Bucanek) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:50 2005 Subject: GUI log-in detection In-Reply-To: <14EFCBB3-614C-11D8-899B-003065A76B44@occam.com> Message-ID: Leon Towns-von Stauber wrote on Tuesday, February 17, 2004: >A quick peek at the process list indicates that anyone logged >into the GUI has a loginwindow process running; the user with >current control of the screen has a loginwindow process with >a "console" argument. (I'd confirm that observation with your >own tests or other's experiences.) I think this will work for what I'm doing. Although I still need to test it under 10.2. FYI: A little testing in 10.3 appears to indicate that the first user to login (via the startup loginwindow or automatic login) gets the 'console' argument. All other user logins get an unadorned loginwindow process. Poking around the system and archives some more, I remember what the original thread was. Someone wanted to know if there was a log of GUI logins. It turns out that if you sift through the authentication records in /var/log/secure.log you can pick out the authentication grants for the loginwindow process, indicating that a user logged in. However, the log doesn't keep a record of log-out or de-authentication events, so it wouldn't solve my problem of trying to determine who is logged in right now. Thanks for the help. ______________________________________________________ James Bucanek From lanceo at is.rice.edu Tue Feb 17 07:45:07 2004 From: lanceo at is.rice.edu (Lance Ogletree) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:50 2005 Subject: GUI log-in detection In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <42C6098E-6160-11D8-B917-000A95BAD1DA@is.rice.edu> On Feb 17, 2004, at 9:03 AM, James Bucanek wrote: > Leon Towns-von Stauber wrote on Tuesday, February 17, 2004: > >> A quick peek at the process list indicates that anyone logged >> into the GUI has a loginwindow process running; the user with >> current control of the screen has a loginwindow process with >> a "console" argument. (I'd confirm that observation with your >> own tests or other's experiences.) > > I think this will work for what I'm doing. Although I still need to > test it under 10.2. > > FYI: A little testing in 10.3 appears to indicate that the first user > to login (via the startup loginwindow or automatic login) gets the > 'console' argument. All other user logins get an unadorned > loginwindow process. > > Poking around the system and archives some more, I remember what the > original thread was. Someone wanted to know if there was a log of GUI > logins. It turns out that if you sift through the authentication > records in /var/log/secure.log you can pick out the authentication > grants for the loginwindow process, indicating that a user logged in. > However, the log doesn't keep a record of log-out or de-authentication > events, so it wouldn't solve my problem of trying to determine who is > logged in right now. > > Thanks for the help. > > ______________________________________________________ > James Bucanek > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-admin mailing list > MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin > the last command will show all users currently logged in, including those from fast-user switching. You can also write a simple script that could be used for both a login hook and logout hook that that would record a user's console logins/logouts to a file that could then easily be manipulated. Since the last command reads from a binary file( wtmp) this might be more useful depending on what you want to do. By modifying /Library/Preferences/com.apple.loginwindow.plist (Under 10.3.x of course) you can tell loginwindow where to look for the login/logout hooks: Example LoginHook /etc/hooks/login.hook LogoutHook /etc/hooks/logout.hook PicturePathLW In /etc/hooks or wherever you wish, you can place your hook scripts. They can be as simple as this: #!/bin/sh PATH=/bin:/sbin:/usr/bin:/usr/sbin:/Developer/Tools; export PATH RIGHTNOW=`date +%m/%d/%y%t%H:%M:%S` LOGINNAME=$1 echo "LOGIN $LOGINNAME $RIGHTNOW">>/var/log/admin/console_log.log You can just copy this and also use it for your logout hook, but replace LOGIN with LOGOUT in the log echo chmod 0755 to both scripts and create the directory and file you want to use for the log file and your done. Reboot or restart the loginwindow process. __________________________________ Lance Ogletree Sr. Macintosh Systems Administrator Educational Technology Rice University 6100 Main Street MS 119 Houston, TX 77005 (713) 348-4008 __________________________________ From stefano.delliponti at eidosmedia.com Tue Feb 17 08:26:07 2004 From: stefano.delliponti at eidosmedia.com (Stefano Delli Ponti) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:50 2005 Subject: GUI log-in detection References: <42C6098E-6160-11D8-B917-000A95BAD1DA@is.rice.edu> Message-ID: BTW, why doesn't 'who' show all logged-in users (including "GUI-only")? With 'last' I can view also current "GUI-only" users. Or am I missing something? Sted "Lance Ogletree" wrote in message news:42C6098E-6160-11D8-B917-000A95BAD1DA@is.rice.edu... > > On Feb 17, 2004, at 9:03 AM, James Bucanek wrote: > > > Leon Towns-von Stauber wrote on Tuesday, February 17, 2004: > > > >> A quick peek at the process list indicates that anyone logged > >> into the GUI has a loginwindow process running; the user with > >> current control of the screen has a loginwindow process with > >> a "console" argument. (I'd confirm that observation with your > >> own tests or other's experiences.) > > > > I think this will work for what I'm doing. Although I still need to > > test it under 10.2. > > > > FYI: A little testing in 10.3 appears to indicate that the first user > > to login (via the startup loginwindow or automatic login) gets the > > 'console' argument. All other user logins get an unadorned > > loginwindow process. > > > > Poking around the system and archives some more, I remember what the > > original thread was. Someone wanted to know if there was a log of GUI > > logins. It turns out that if you sift through the authentication > > records in /var/log/secure.log you can pick out the authentication > > grants for the loginwindow process, indicating that a user logged in. > > However, the log doesn't keep a record of log-out or de-authentication > > events, so it wouldn't solve my problem of trying to determine who is > > logged in right now. > > > > Thanks for the help. > > > > ______________________________________________________ > > James Bucanek > > _______________________________________________ > > MacOSX-admin mailing list > > MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com > > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin > > > > > the last command will show all users currently logged in, including > those from fast-user switching. > > You can also write a simple script that could be used for both a login > hook and logout hook that that would record a user's console > logins/logouts to a file that could then easily be manipulated. Since > the last command reads from a binary file( wtmp) this might be more > useful depending on what you want to do. > > By modifying /Library/Preferences/com.apple.loginwindow.plist (Under > 10.3.x of course) > you can tell loginwindow where to look for the login/logout hooks: > Example > > LoginHook > /etc/hooks/login.hook > LogoutHook > /etc/hooks/logout.hook > PicturePathLW > > In /etc/hooks or wherever you wish, you can place your hook scripts. > > They can be as simple as this: > > #!/bin/sh > PATH=/bin:/sbin:/usr/bin:/usr/sbin:/Developer/Tools; export PATH > RIGHTNOW=`date +%m/%d/%y%t%H:%M:%S` > LOGINNAME=$1 > echo "LOGIN $LOGINNAME $RIGHTNOW">>/var/log/admin/console_log.log > > You can just copy this and also use it for your logout hook, but > replace LOGIN with LOGOUT in the log echo > > chmod 0755 to both scripts and create the directory and file you want > to use for the log file and your done. Reboot or restart the > loginwindow process. > > > __________________________________ > > Lance Ogletree > Sr. Macintosh Systems Administrator > Educational Technology > Rice University > 6100 Main Street MS 119 > Houston, TX 77005 > (713) 348-4008 > __________________________________ From tim at diligence.com Tue Feb 17 08:41:17 2004 From: tim at diligence.com (Tim Uckun) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:50 2005 Subject: OSX authentication against Samba PDC? In-Reply-To: <1076718314.3488.80.camel@aether.local> References: Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.2.20040217094001.00aff760@mail.diligence.com> > >10.3 apparently does ActiveDirectory authentication, built-in (kinda >hurts Thursby...), hopefully it does NT as well (partly a subset of AD >functionality), so I bought that, will try next week. It does do this. It's not trivial but possible. I still can't get the user home directories to map properly but it's just a matter of time :). Also there is an option to use SAMBA for auth. If you have samba set up properly it should work I guess. I haven't tried it. :wq Tim Uckun US Investigations Services/Due Diligence http://www.diligence.com/ From shoop at iwiring.net Tue Feb 17 10:36:43 2004 From: shoop at iwiring.net (Dan Shoop) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:50 2005 Subject: GUI log-in detection In-Reply-To: References: <42C6098E-6160-11D8-B917-000A95BAD1DA@is.rice.edu> Message-ID: At 5:26 PM +0100 2/17/04, Stefano Delli Ponti wrote: >BTW, why doesn't 'who' show all logged-in users (including "GUI-only")? >With 'last' I can view also current "GUI-only" users. >Or am I missing something? I guess you missed the conversation last week where we discussed what it means to "log in" to the system, and how different unix facilities see this differently. The short answer is "historical reasons." -- -dhan ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Dan Shoop shoop@iwiring.net Consulting Internet Architect shoop@mac.com AIM: iWiring pgp key fingerprint: FAC0 9434 B5A5 24A8 D0AF 12B1 7840 3BE7 3736 DE0B iWiring designs and supports Internet systems and networks based on Mac OS X, unix(tm), and Open Source applications technologies and offers 24x7, guaranteed support to registered clients. How can we help? From stefano.delliponti at eidosmedia.com Tue Feb 17 11:31:22 2004 From: stefano.delliponti at eidosmedia.com (Stefano Delli Ponti) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:50 2005 Subject: GUI log-in detection References: <42C6098E-6160-11D8-B917-000A95BAD1DA@is.rice.edu> Message-ID: "Dan Shoop" wrote: > At 5:26 PM +0100 2/17/04, Stefano Delli Ponti wrote: > >BTW, why doesn't 'who' show all logged-in users (including "GUI-only")? > >With 'last' I can view also current "GUI-only" users. > >Or am I missing something? > > I guess you missed the conversation last week where we discussed what > it means to "log in" to the system, and how different unix facilities > see this differently. > > The short answer is "historical reasons." Dan, could you please point me to the thread? Thanks, Sted From jamesh at uts.cc.utexas.edu Tue Feb 17 11:27:22 2004 From: jamesh at uts.cc.utexas.edu (James Hammett) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:50 2005 Subject: Using natd/ipfw to bridge from a VPN to the network In-Reply-To: References: <42C6098E-6160-11D8-B917-000A95BAD1DA@is.rice.edu> Message-ID: I had seen information in man pages on configuring natd (or possibly ipfw) to bridge a connection, instead of doing NATD. I hadn't actually tried to implement it though. I was wondering if anyone has set it up so that the Firewall bridges the VPN connections IP, instead of NAT'ing it. thanks, James From tomj at uci.edu Tue Feb 17 12:07:37 2004 From: tomj at uci.edu (Tom Jennings) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:50 2005 Subject: OSX authentication against Samba PDC? In-Reply-To: <5.0.0.25.2.20040217094001.00aff760@mail.diligence.com> References: <5.0.0.25.2.20040217094001.00aff760@mail.diligence.com> Message-ID: <1077048457.19504.11.camel@aether.local> On Tue, 2004-02-17 at 08:41, Tim Uckun wrote: > > > >10.3 apparently does ActiveDirectory authentication, built-in (kinda > >hurts Thursby...), hopefully it does NT as well (partly a subset of AD > >functionality), so I bought that, will try next week. > > It does do this. It's not trivial but possible. I still can't get the user > home directories to map properly but it's just a matter of time :). > > Also there is an option to use SAMBA for auth. If you have samba set up > properly it should work I guess. I haven't tried it. Well it's good to know it's supposed to work (eg. OS X authenticating user logins via NTLM). I do realize the security issues of essentially no password encryption, but in this particular network it's not critical at this time. Thursby sent me instructions on doing a trace, which I'll do today or tomorrow. I assume their software works, and that I've screwed up somehow my PDC setup (though peecees don't seem to mind it). Did you find any documentation at all on setting up 10.3 to auth users against a PDC? I not only find no references, I find things that state it can't work without AdmitMac. There's things in the Sys Pref and such that hint it may be possible, but basically I'm playing Adventure (I hate doing system config in GUIs.) From mbartosh at mac.com Tue Feb 17 12:16:14 2004 From: mbartosh at mac.com (Michael Bartosh) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:50 2005 Subject: OSX authentication against Samba PDC? In-Reply-To: <1077048457.19504.11.camel@aether.local> References: <5.0.0.25.2.20040217094001.00aff760@mail.diligence.com> <1077048457.19504.11.camel@aether.local> Message-ID: At 12:07 PM -0800 2/17/04, Tom Jennings wrote: >Did you find any documentation at all on setting up 10.3 to auth users >against a PDC? I not only find no references, I find things that state >it can't work without AdmitMac. It can't. Samba can, but Mac OS X (any service other than SMB) can not. -- http://www.4am-media.com Mac OS X Consulting and Training Michael Bartosh mbartosh@4am-media.com 303.517.0272 Denver, CO "The surest way to corrupt a youth is to instruct him to hold in higher regard those who think alike than those who think differently." - -- Nietzsche Think Different. From tomj at uci.edu Tue Feb 17 12:20:11 2004 From: tomj at uci.edu (Tom Jennings) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:50 2005 Subject: OSX authentication against Samba PDC? In-Reply-To: References: <1076720760.3489.110.camel@aether.local> Message-ID: <1077049211.19503.24.camel@aether.local> On Fri, 2004-02-13 at 20:58, Michael Bartosh wrote: > This url explains how to authenticate Windows File Services against > an NT4 PDC. (yes, and doesn't work for me, it doesn't even touch the PDC.) > It does NTLMv1 pass through authentication. The Mac > becomes a member of the NT Domain. Note that the Mac still has to be > able to identify the user logging in. Identification, authentication > and authorization are three distinctly different and required > concepts. Wait -- are you saying that the user must be known to the local machine, in order to auth against a remote auth server?! I realize that strictly-speaking auth and ID can be divorced, but sheesh, in a reasonably small, reasonably casual network it's a bit pedantic to say the least. It seems safe to say that for most networks, auth and ID are easily tied together. In fact in a minutes cogitation I can't think of a single reason to divorce them. From crank at pushhere.com Tue Feb 17 13:27:14 2004 From: crank at pushhere.com (Chris Rank) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:50 2005 Subject: Recent crashes In-Reply-To: <71F2CA8E-5837-11D8-80F3-000A9599E492@x180.net> References: <71F2CA8E-5837-11D8-80F3-000A9599E492@x180.net> Message-ID: <0E332226-6190-11D8-BE48-000A95908C20@pushhere.com> Just wanted to post that the crashreporterd error was indeed the issue I was having. Very bizarre indeed. Hope this one is fixed in 10.3.3. On Feb 5, 2004, at 7:00 PM, James Duncan Davidson wrote: > > On Feb 5, 2004, at 08:11, Chris Rank wrote: > >> Recently, >> >> I have been experiencing crashes quite frequently on OS 10.3.2 >> server. The log files offer no clues as to cause, but the nature of >> the crashes are very interesting. > > You may be seeing a hardware problem or you may be suffering from a > crashreporterd/lookupd issue. > > Do the symptoms in this thread sound familiar?: > > http://discussions.info.apple.com/webx?128@158.fhWEaeR3bBB.3@.599e4376 > > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-admin mailing list > MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin > From mbartosh at mac.com Tue Feb 17 13:37:31 2004 From: mbartosh at mac.com (Michael Bartosh) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:34:50 2005 Subject: OSX authentication against Samba PDC? In-Reply-To: <1077049211.19503.24.camel@aether.local> References: <1076720760.3489.110.camel@aether.local> <1077049211.19503.24.camel@aether.local> Message-ID: At 12:20 PM -0800 2/17/04, Tom Jennings wrote: >Wait -- are you saying that the user must be known to the local machine, >in order to auth against a remote auth server?! I'm saying that in order for Mac OS X Server to service samba logins, the user record has to be accessible in addition to having an authentication source. The client could care less in most cases. > >I realize that strictly-speaking auth and ID can be divorced, but >sheesh, in a reasonably small, reasonably casual network it's a bit >pedantic to say the least. It seems safe to say that for most networks, >auth and ID are easily tied together. > >In fact in a minutes cogitation I can't think of a single reason to >divorce them. Identification, authentication and authorization are always divorced. It is not pedantic. In most unix environments identification is in the case of NT Domains (security = server in smb.conf) provided by winbindd, an nss_switch module. Samba handles NT auth of that user (and in 3.0 kerberozed auth). The File system permissions provide authorization: is the user allowed to access this resource. In M