From ocs at ocs.cz Wed Oct 1 05:39:06 2003 From: ocs at ocs.cz (Ondra Cada) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:19 2005 Subject: How to send a mail?!? Message-ID: <21B18E98-F40C-11D7-9178-000A95977AAA@ocs.cz> Hi, it was years ago (actually in NeXTStep) I've needed to send a mail from a script, but I do remember it was a child's play. Oops, not anymore: 39 /tmp> echo Just a test | mail -s test ocs@ocs.cz zsh: no such file or directory: /usr/ucb/Mail 40 /tmp> What one does in the brave new world of Mac OS X to send an e-mail from a script? TIA, --- Ondra ?ada OCSoftware: ocs@ocs.cz http://www.ocs.cz private ondra@ocs.cz http://www.ocs.cz/oc From milov at cslab.uwlax.edu Wed Oct 1 06:04:06 2003 From: milov at cslab.uwlax.edu (Milo Velimirovic) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:19 2005 Subject: How to send a mail?!? In-Reply-To: <21B18E98-F40C-11D7-9178-000A95977AAA@ocs.cz> Message-ID: Hi, Check your aliases. /usr/ucb/Mail is what NEXTSTEP aliases "mail" to. Better yet, in your "script" specify the mail command with an absolute path, i.e. /usr/bin/mail Milo On Wednesday, October 1, 2003, at 07:38 AM, Ondra Cada wrote: > Hi, > > it was years ago (actually in NeXTStep) I've needed to send a mail > from a script, but I do remember it was a child's play. Oops, not > anymore: > > 39 /tmp> echo Just a test | mail -s test ocs@ocs.cz > zsh: no such file or directory: /usr/ucb/Mail > 40 /tmp> > > What one does in the brave new world of Mac OS X to send an e-mail > from a script? > > TIA, > --- > Ondra ?ada > OCSoftware: ocs@ocs.cz http://www.ocs.cz > private ondra@ocs.cz http://www.ocs.cz/oc > > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-admin mailing list > MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin > > Milo Velimirovic Unix Computer Network Administrator University of Wisconsin - La Crosse La Crosse, Wisconsin 54601 USA 43 48 05 N 91 14 22 W There are 10 different types of people in the world. Those who can read binary and those who can't. From slong at lps.org Wed Oct 1 07:36:01 2003 From: slong at lps.org (Scott J. Long) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:19 2005 Subject: Workgroup error Message-ID: I have a school that is getting the following error in Workgroup manager error type-14121 on line 979 of pammugmainview.mm Any suggestions would be appreciated Scott ***************************************************************** Scott J. Long slong@lps.org Network Manager http://lsw.lps.org Lincoln Southwest High School W:402-436-1306 opt. 9 ext 66350 Lincoln Public Schools 7001 South 14th Street. http://hawk.lps.org/~slong Lincoln, NE 68512 ***************************************************************** From osten2 at itab.com Wed Oct 1 08:37:02 2003 From: osten2 at itab.com (OSX) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:19 2005 Subject: command line system preferences configure Message-ID: What command line tools are there for configuring the Apple stuff on an OS X machine? Like if I want to change the file sharing on a remote machine. Thank you very much. From mac_scott at mac.com Wed Oct 1 09:14:09 2003 From: mac_scott at mac.com (Mac Scott) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:19 2005 Subject: command line system preferences configure In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <38DA003E-F42A-11D7-94AB-0050E4451C0E@mac.com> For most of the services you see in the Sharing System Pref, you can configure with /etc/hostconfig and start or stop using the appropriate StartupItem - assuming sshd is already activated. For instance, Apple File Services: Obviously, ssh into the remote machine. Then: sudo cp /etc/hostconfig /etc/hostconfig_old ## in case you screw it up sudo vi /etc/hostconfig Change the line that reads: AFPSERVER=-NO- to read: AFPSERVER=-YES- Save and exit vi. You have just ensured that filesharing will start automatically after the next reboot. To turn it on without rebooting: sudo /System/Library/StartupItems/AppleShare/Appleshare StartService Cheers, Mac On Oct 1, 2003, at 8:36 AM, OSX wrote: > > What command line tools are there for configuring the Apple stuff on > an OS X > machine? > > Like if I want to change the file sharing on a remote machine. > > Thank you very much. > > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-admin mailing list > MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin > From mac_scott at mac.com Wed Oct 1 09:21:01 2003 From: mac_scott at mac.com (Mac Scott) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:19 2005 Subject: Fwd: command line system preferences configure Message-ID: <24006462-F42B-11D7-94AB-0050E4451C0E@mac.com> Er.... to fend off the coming assault of corrections, that should have been: sudo /System/Library/StartupItems/AppleShare/Appleshare start Sorry. Begin forwarded message: > From: Mac Scott > Date: October 1, 2003 9:13:41 AM PDT > To: OSX > Cc: macosx-admin@omnigroup.com > Subject: Re: command line system preferences configure > > For most of the services you see in the Sharing System Pref, you can > configure with /etc/hostconfig and start or stop using the appropriate > StartupItem - assuming sshd is already activated. For instance, Apple > File Services: > > Obviously, ssh into the remote machine. > > Then: > > sudo cp /etc/hostconfig /etc/hostconfig_old ## in case you screw it up > > sudo vi /etc/hostconfig > > Change the line that reads: > > AFPSERVER=-NO- > > to read: > > AFPSERVER=-YES- > > Save and exit vi. You have just ensured that filesharing will start > automatically after the next reboot. To turn it on without rebooting: > > sudo /System/Library/StartupItems/AppleShare/Appleshare StartService > > > Cheers, > > Mac > > > On Oct 1, 2003, at 8:36 AM, OSX wrote: > >> >> What command line tools are there for configuring the Apple stuff on >> an OS X >> machine? >> >> Like if I want to change the file sharing on a remote machine. >> >> Thank you very much. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> MacOSX-admin mailing list >> MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com >> http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin >> > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/enriched Size: 1764 bytes Desc: not available Url : /mailman/archive/macosx-admin/attachments/20031001/a23c4ba5/attachment.bin From kremels at kreme.com Wed Oct 1 09:40:01 2003 From: kremels at kreme.com (LuKreme) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:19 2005 Subject: How to send a mail?!? In-Reply-To: <21B18E98-F40C-11D7-9178-000A95977AAA@ocs.cz> Message-ID: On Wednesday, Oct 1, 2003, at 06:38 America/Denver, Ondra Cada wrote: > 39 /tmp> echo Just a test | mail -s test ocs@ocs.cz > zsh: no such file or directory: /usr/ucb/Mail Very odd. Where is /usr/ucb/Mail coming from? echo "this is a test" |mail -s "test" kremels@kreme.com worked perfectly well form the Terminal. there is something in your config that is b0rked. I usually use sendmail myself, but that requires building the message and headers on your own and piping them to sendmail. -- Everybody hates a tourist, especially one who thinks it's all such a laugh. Yeah, and the chipstains and grease will come out in the bath. You will never understand how it feels to live your lif with no meaning or control, and with nowhere left to go. You are amazed that they exist, and they burn so bright whilst you can only wonder why. From subscriber at gloaming.com Wed Oct 1 09:46:33 2003 From: subscriber at gloaming.com (James Bucanek) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:19 2005 Subject: Fwd: command line system preferences configure In-Reply-To: <24006462-F42B-11D7-94AB-0050E4451C0E@mac.com> Message-ID: Mac Scott wrote on Wednesday, October 1, 2003: >Er.... to fend off the coming assault of corrections, that should have >been: > >sudo /System/Library/StartupItems/AppleShare/Appleshare start Acutally, it should have been: sudo SystemStarter start 'Apple File Service' It's always best to just tell the high level services what you want done, rather than making assumptions about what the internals of a package are. ______________________________________________________ James Bucanek From fbraems at ices.fr Wed Oct 1 10:46:04 2003 From: fbraems at ices.fr (frederic braems) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:19 2005 Subject: Helios Lantest Message-ID: *This message was transferred with a trial version of CommuniGate(tm) Pro* Hello, Is the freeware Lantest from Helios http://www.helios.de/products/LanTest.html a good tool to evaluate the performance of AppleShare services of Xserve ? Are the statistics significants ? I found for "write 300000 KB to file" an average of 600 KB/sec which is very slow for a recent xserve with an xserve raid plugged in. I found for "Read 300000 KB from file" an average of 9000 KB/sec which is good (near the bandwith of 100 Mbits/sec of the ethernet card of the iMac with 10.2.6). I found that download is always fastest (3 times and more) than upload from the client. I found that upload time of a same file increased by a factor of the number of clients. I never reached more than 9 Mo/sec with one or more clients on the xserve. I am using the built-in Gbits/sec ethernet port of the xserve on a Gbits/sec of a stackable switch (Lucent-avaya). What kind of performances do you have ? Regards F.Braems ICES From ccunning at math.ohio-state.edu Wed Oct 1 11:53:02 2003 From: ccunning at math.ohio-state.edu (Cunningham, Chad) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:19 2005 Subject: creating aliases Message-ID: I haven't been able to find much on this yet, but is it possible to create a true alias from the terminal? I'm trying to automate distribution of plugins across our machines and RealPlayer is giving me trouble. When run as the administrative user, it creates aliases (not symbolic links) in /Library/Internet Plug-Ins/ to the actual files in /Applications/RealOne Player.app/. I've tried replacing this with a symbolic link, but the plugin doesn't load. I've also tried just copying the files to the PlugIns directory, but then it says an error occured. So it seems the only way to have the RealPlayer plugin work is to have them as aliases, but I need to be able to do that from the command line. Possible? From lists at colorremedies.com Wed Oct 1 12:18:03 2003 From: lists at colorremedies.com (Chris Murphy) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:19 2005 Subject: hidden files In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tuesday, September 30, 2003, at 05:13 PM, Alex Satrapa wrote: > On Wednesday, October 1, 2003, at 12:52 , Chris Murphy wrote: > >> .hidden has been restored, and the problem is solved. It's still a >> mystery why it suddenly vanished to begin with. I have no >> applications that are intended to modify or remove this file. > > Perhaps one of your administrative users was poking around in a shell > one day, and decided that there were files in / that "obviously" > didn't need to be there? I am the only user. Chris Murphy Color Remedies (TM) www.colorremedies.com/realworldcolor --------------------------------------------------------- Co-author "Real World Color Management" Published by PeachPit Press (ISBN 0-201-77340-6) From shoop at iWiring.Net Wed Oct 1 12:23:11 2003 From: shoop at iWiring.Net (Dan Shoop) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:19 2005 Subject: How to send a mail?!? In-Reply-To: <21B18E98-F40C-11D7-9178-000A95977AAA@ocs.cz> References: <21B18E98-F40C-11D7-9178-000A95977AAA@ocs.cz> Message-ID: At 2:38 PM +0200 10/1/03, Ondra Cada wrote: >Hi, > >it was years ago (actually in NeXTStep) I've needed to send a mail >from a script, but I do remember it was a child's play. Oops, not >anymore: > >39 /tmp> echo Just a test | mail -s test ocs@ocs.cz >zsh: no such file or directory: /usr/ucb/Mail >40 /tmp> Ideally your script is written in something more than a shell language (like perl or python) which can talk to a real smtp server. Otherwise if sendmail (or a replacement) isn't operating on your system your S.O.L. But `which mail` will tell you where mail is on any given system. -dhan +------------------------------------------------------------------------+ Dan Shoop shoop@iwiring.net Consulting Internet Architect shoop@mac.com AIM: iWiring pgp key fingerprint: FAC0 9434 B5A5 24A8 D0AF 12B1 7840 3BE7 3736 DE0B iWiring designs and supports Internet systems and networks based on OS X unix(tm), and Open Source technologies. How can we help you today? Dan Shoop will be speaking at the O'Reilly & Associates Mac OS X Conference See http://conferences.oreillynet.com/macosx2003/ for details From njriley at uiuc.edu Wed Oct 1 12:39:03 2003 From: njriley at uiuc.edu (Nicholas Riley) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:19 2005 Subject: creating aliases In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20031001193805.GA81897@uiuc.edu> On Wed, Oct 01, 2003 at 02:51:58PM -0400, Cunningham, Chad wrote: > > I haven't been able to find much on this yet, but is it possible to create > a true alias from the terminal? I'm trying to automate distribution of > plugins across our machines and RealPlayer is giving me trouble. When run > as the administrative user, it creates aliases (not symbolic links) in > /Library/Internet Plug-Ins/ to the actual files in /Applications/RealOne > Player.app/. I've tried replacing this with a symbolic link, but the > plugin doesn't load. I've also tried just copying the files to the PlugIns > directory, but then it says an error occured. See mkalias, part of osxutils . -- =Nicholas Riley | From rpeskin at rlpcon.com Wed Oct 1 13:03:01 2003 From: rpeskin at rlpcon.com (Richard L. Peskin) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:19 2005 Subject: MacOSX-admin digest, Vol 1 #1240 - 20 msgs In-Reply-To: <200310011901.h91J1ll27906@slowbro.omnigroup.com> Message-ID: <34465454-F44A-11D7-8C57-000393639B02@rlpcon.com> Assuming you have sendmail configured and working, the following Perl script works fine: #!/usr/bin/perl # print "Content-type: text/plain\n\n"; print "start..\n"; $mailprog = '/usr/sbin/sendmail'; open(MAIL,"|$mailprog -t"); print MAIL "To:someone\@theirhost.net\n"; print MAIL "From:you\@yourdomain.com\n"; print MAIL "Subject: perl script mail test \n\n"; print MAIL "\n\n"; print MAIL "Is this working ?\n"; close (MAIL); print "end.\n"; --dick peskin On Wednesday, October 1, 2003, at 03:01 PM, macosx-admin-request@omnigroup.com wrote: > it was years ago (actually in NeXTStep) I've needed to send a mail from > a script, but I do remember it was a child's play. Oops, not anymore: > > 39 /tmp> echo Just a test | mail -s test ocs@ocs.cz > zsh: no such file or directory: /usr/ucb/Mail > 40 /tmp> > > What one does in the brave new world of Mac OS X to send an e-mail from > a script? > Richard L. Peskin, RLP Consulting, Londonderry, VT http://www.rlpcon.com http://www.caip.rutgers.edu/~peskin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Regards, -Steve -------- Steve Byan or From garbanzito at mac.com Wed Oct 1 15:36:01 2003 From: garbanzito at mac.com (steve harley) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:19 2005 Subject: creating aliases In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <8D00581E-F45F-11D7-A7C1-000393C5ED50@mac.com> On Wednesday, Oct 1, 2003, at 12:51 America/Denver, Cunningham, Chad wrote: > I haven't been able to find much on this yet, but is it possible to > create > a true alias from the terminal? I the alias bit can be set with SetFile.. the following sort of works: touch foo ln -s foo bar SetFile -a A bar and may suffice for your purposes, but note that GetFileInfo then reports that _both_ foo & bar have the alias bit set (as if SetFile had followed the link), so it may be prudent to then SetFile -a a foo i'm not completely confident in this, though.. aliases should have both a file reference and a path, though as of 10.2 the path is tried first.. i don't know for sure that a symbolic link is exactly like an alias except for this file reference (and the bit) From subscriber at gloaming.com Wed Oct 1 16:03:02 2003 From: subscriber at gloaming.com (James Bucanek) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:19 2005 Subject: creating aliases In-Reply-To: <8D00581E-F45F-11D7-A7C1-000393C5ED50@mac.com> Message-ID: steve harley wrote on Wednesday, October 1, 2003: >touch foo >ln -s foo bar >SetFile -a A bar No, no, no... An alias is a special kind of Mac file that only the Macintosh OS and high-level applications understand. Mac OS identifies alias files by using the reserved 'isAlias' flag in the file meta-data. As far as UNIX is concerned, Aliases are just files. UNIX doesn't understand Mac Aliases, nor will any standard UNIX tool treat them as such. UNIX uses it's own kind of aliases called "links" and "symbolic links". The higher level Mac OS honors UNIX links, but not visa-versa. 'ln' creates a UNIX link to another file. All you've done here is take a file, made a symbolic link to it, then set the Alias flag on it. Since the symbolic link points to the original, the flag is set in the original and reflected in both. This does NOT turn a file into an Alias, anymore than changing the file type would turn a text file into a JPEG. Only a high-level Macintosh application, or tool that has been linked to the Mac OS framework, can create aliases. You can't create a Macintosh Alias file using any UNIX tools. (Well, you could copy one, but that's about it.) ______________________________________________________ James Bucanek From ehughes at novaworks.org Wed Oct 1 16:52:01 2003 From: ehughes at novaworks.org (Elton Hughes) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:19 2005 Subject: /private/var/log/wtmp Message-ID: <27CA283B-F46A-11D7-AD03-003065684FF6@novaworks.org> I found file file on my Mac and on my SUN workstation. On the Mac is is pretty small, about 288 bytes, while on my SUN it is 10 megs. Does anyone have an idea as to what it is and if it can be safely deleted? Thanks, Elton ======================================================== NOVA 505 W. Olive Ave. Suite 550 Elton Hughes (Information Technology) Sunnyvale CA 94086 Phone: 408-730-7235 Fax: 408-730-7643 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ --- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Does > anyone have an idea as to what it is and if it can be safely deleted? > > Thanks, > > Elton From shoop at iWiring.Net Wed Oct 1 20:10:01 2003 From: shoop at iWiring.Net (Dan Shoop) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:19 2005 Subject: creating aliases In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 2:51 PM -0400 10/1/03, Cunningham, Chad wrote: >I haven't been able to find much on this yet, but is it possible to create >a true alias from the terminal? I'm trying to automate distribution of >plugins across our machines and RealPlayer is giving me trouble. When run >as the administrative user, it creates aliases (not symbolic links) in >/Library/Internet Plug-Ins/ to the actual files in /Applications/RealOne >Player.app/. I've tried replacing this with a symbolic link, but the >plugin doesn't load. I've also tried just copying the files to the PlugIns >directory, but then it says an error occured. > >So it seems the only way to have the RealPlayer plugin work is to have >them as aliases, but I need to be able to do that from the command line. >Possible? Since to the OS and filesystem both aliases and symlinks have the same effect, aliases just existing for legacy support, you may want to take another gander at trying to figure out why RealPlayer isn't obeying them like it should. -dhan +------------------------------------------------------------------------+ Dan Shoop shoop@iwiring.net Consulting Internet Architect shoop@mac.com AIM: iWiring pgp key fingerprint: FAC0 9434 B5A5 24A8 D0AF 12B1 7840 3BE7 3736 DE0B iWiring designs and supports Internet systems and networks based on OS X unix(tm), and Open Source technologies. How can we help you today? Dan Shoop will be speaking at the O'Reilly & Associates Mac OS X Conference See http://conferences.oreillynet.com/macosx2003/ for details From garbanzito at mac.com Wed Oct 1 20:20:00 2003 From: garbanzito at mac.com (steve harley) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:20 2005 Subject: creating aliases In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <2606E7BC-F487-11D7-A7C1-000393C5ED50@mac.com> On Wednesday, Oct 1, 2003, at 17:02 America/Denver, James Bucanek wrote: > All you've done here is take a file, made a symbolic link to it, then > set the Alias flag on it. yes, i know.. admittedly rash > Since the symbolic link points to the original, the flag is set in the > original and reflected in both. no, i can unset the alias flag on the original and the symlink file still keeps the flag > This does NOT turn a file into an Alias, anymore than changing the > file type would turn a text file into a JPEG. you're right, it doesn't make a "real" alias, though it's possible it will convince RealPlayer.. the idea being that the alias flag would get it past some kind of initial check, then whatever code tries to open the file would follow the symlink ... i had recalled that symlinks on HFS+ were implemented with some trickery, but didn't remember the details.. i looked into it and found that an HFS symlink is a file with type 'slnk' creator 'rhap', and the path in the data fork (i confirmed this by manually constructing a file meeting these criteria).. however, an alias is a file with the alias bit set and an 'alis' resource in the resource fork.. it doesn't seem that easy to create an alis resource.. Rez could do it, but it doesn't seem the format is documented From shoop at iWiring.Net Wed Oct 1 21:28:01 2003 From: shoop at iWiring.Net (Dan Shoop) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:20 2005 Subject: /private/var/log/wtmp In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 7:56 AM +0800 10/2/03, Tim Chong wrote: >Hi Elton, > >That file is used to store the login records (more info see man wtmp) > >The file is trimmed by the /etc/monthly script (via cron) on the >Mac, if I remember right, there's no default cron job that will trim >it on Solaris. Actually it's the periodic facility that runs /etc/monthly and the other periodic housekeeping tasks. This is in keeping with BSD 4. -dhan +------------------------------------------------------------------------+ Dan Shoop shoop@iwiring.net Consulting Internet Architect shoop@mac.com AIM: iWiring pgp key fingerprint: FAC0 9434 B5A5 24A8 D0AF 12B1 7840 3BE7 3736 DE0B iWiring designs and supports Internet systems and networks based on OS X unix(tm), and Open Source technologies. How can we help you today? Dan Shoop will be speaking at the O'Reilly & Associates Mac OS X Conference See http://conferences.oreillynet.com/macosx2003/ for details From shoop at iWiring.Net Wed Oct 1 21:34:01 2003 From: shoop at iWiring.Net (Dan Shoop) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:20 2005 Subject: /private/var/log/wtmp In-Reply-To: <27CA283B-F46A-11D7-AD03-003065684FF6@novaworks.org> References: <27CA283B-F46A-11D7-AD03-003065684FF6@novaworks.org> Message-ID: At 4:51 PM -0700 10/1/03, Elton Hughes wrote: >I found file file on my Mac and on my SUN workstation. On the Mac is >is pretty small, about 288 bytes, while on my SUN it is 10 megs. >Does anyone have an idea as to what it is and if it can be safely >deleted? It's used to record logins by wu-ish stuff. Most notably ftpd uses it (since they are wu-ftpd based). You'll probably find, like most active log files, that if you try to delete it you won't actually be able to reclaim it's space (since even if you delete an open file the inodes aren't released until the file is closed). The proper way to delete it (like all logs) is to first move it, HUP the daemons and then delete the mv'ed file. Since it's used by ftpd, you'll have to wait until all the ftp users log out. You may want to keep it around or roll it over with your other access logs as it does provide useful historical information. YMMV -dhan +------------------------------------------------------------------------+ Dan Shoop shoop@iwiring.net Consulting Internet Architect shoop@mac.com AIM: iWiring pgp key fingerprint: FAC0 9434 B5A5 24A8 D0AF 12B1 7840 3BE7 3736 DE0B iWiring designs and supports Internet systems and networks based on OS X unix(tm), and Open Source technologies. How can we help you today? Dan Shoop will be speaking at the O'Reilly & Associates Mac OS X Conference See http://conferences.oreillynet.com/macosx2003/ for details From shoop at iWiring.Net Wed Oct 1 21:34:16 2003 From: shoop at iWiring.Net (Dan Shoop) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:20 2005 Subject: MacOSX-admin digest, Vol 1 #1240 - 20 msgs In-Reply-To: <34465454-F44A-11D7-8C57-000393639B02@rlpcon.com> References: <34465454-F44A-11D7-8C57-000393639B02@rlpcon.com> Message-ID: At 4:02 PM -0400 10/1/03, Richard L. Peskin wrote: >Assuming you have sendmail configured and working, the following >Perl script works fine: >#!/usr/bin/perl ># >print "Content-type: text/plain\n\n"; >print "start..\n"; > > >$mailprog = '/usr/sbin/sendmail'; Assuming you're using Perl this is an abominable way to implement this and I wish people would stop recommending it. It's a lazy and hackish way to send mail. The method you describe replies on sendmail, which doesn't exist on all system, and on many where it does exist isn't configured for operation. This includes most Mac OS X systems where sendmail does exist but doesn't work unless someone took great pains to unsecure it and coerce it to working. Instead you should use the Mail::Mailer routines, which are easier to use, provide better error checking, are platform agnostic, and interface with an SMTP server so you can use it on a system where there's no mail services at all. -dhan +------------------------------------------------------------------------+ Dan Shoop shoop@iwiring.net Consulting Internet Architect shoop@mac.com AIM: iWiring pgp key fingerprint: FAC0 9434 B5A5 24A8 D0AF 12B1 7840 3BE7 3736 DE0B iWiring designs and supports Internet systems and networks based on OS X unix(tm), and Open Source technologies. How can we help you today? Dan Shoop will be speaking at the O'Reilly & Associates Mac OS X Conference See http://conferences.oreillynet.com/macosx2003/ for details From garbanzito at mac.com Wed Oct 1 23:46:03 2003 From: garbanzito at mac.com (steve harley) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:20 2005 Subject: creating aliases In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wednesday, Oct 1, 2003, at 21:09 America/Denver, Dan Shoop wrote: > Since to the OS and filesystem both aliases and symlinks have the same > effect, aliases just existing for legacy support [...] though it is a unlikely to matter in the RealPlayer situation, they don't have the same effect.. aliases fall back on (and used to consider first) a file reference, which remains valid when a path is broken.. this behavior is very useful in many real life situations, and it's only real downside is that Unix never had to cope with it From leonvs at occam.com Thu Oct 2 00:14:04 2003 From: leonvs at occam.com (Leon Towns-von Stauber) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:20 2005 Subject: /private/var/log/wtmp In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >> The file is trimmed by the /etc/monthly script (via cron) on the Mac, >> if I remember right, there's no default cron job that will trim it on >> Solaris. > > Actually it's the periodic facility that runs /etc/monthly and the > other periodic housekeeping tasks. This is in keeping with BSD 4. Sure, but it's cron that runs periodic (from /etc/crontab). So both are correct; cron runs those scripts, indirectly, by executing periodic. _____________________________________________________________ Leon Towns-von Stauber http://www.occam.com/leonvs/ "We have not come to save you, but you will not die in vain!" From ocs at ocs.cz Thu Oct 2 05:38:01 2003 From: ocs at ocs.cz (Ondra Cada) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:20 2005 Subject: creating aliases In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1927FE96-F4D5-11D7-AF6D-000A95977AAA@ocs.cz> On Thursday, Oct 2, 2003, at 08:45 Europe/Prague, steve harley wrote: > .. aliases fall back on (and used to consider first) a file reference, > which remains valid when a path is broken.. this behavior is very > useful in many real life situations, and it's only real downside is > that Unix never had to cope with it Not really. There is a bunch of ugly drawbacks, the worst of them probably being the probability you would unintentionally use a backup copy instead of the actual file, after the very intuitive and oft-used pattern of "move the old to backup, put the new into its place". Happens sometimes in 10.2, happened umpteen times a day in 10.1 when this terrible behaviour was used first and path was just a fallback. Also, just have a look how terribly the Open/Save panels, triple alas alias-based instead of being name-based as they should, cope with /tmp :( --- Ondra ?ada OCSoftware: ocs@ocs.cz http://www.ocs.cz private ondra@ocs.cz http://www.ocs.cz/oc From mbp at csr-bos.com Thu Oct 2 05:40:06 2003 From: mbp at csr-bos.com (Mark Palmerino) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:20 2005 Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:_[HELP]=A0Script_to_Launch_rsyncx_from_crontab?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?_if_volumes_is_mounted?= In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <71F3555A-F4CF-11D7-A36E-000393DB9D1E@csr-bos.com> On Tuesday, September 30, 2003, at 07:48 PM, omni_osx_ml@todoo.biz wrote: > Le 30/09/03 21:27, ??Conrad G T Yoder?? a ?crit?: > > #!/bin/sh > > ## > # Script de backup pour Rsync > ## > > if [ -d /Volumes/BackupData ]; then Is BackupData a disk that is always mounted (say an internal drive versus an external firewire drive) or is it a disk that you sometimes mount manually? The reason I ask is because I've seen cases where the directory actually exists in /Volumes but the drive is no longer mounted. Thus, you might end up syncing all your files to the disk that is holding /Volumes as opposed to the drive that you think is mounted. Depending on how much free disk space you have and how much your syncing, you could run out of space. Mark From milov at cslab.uwlax.edu Thu Oct 2 07:16:23 2003 From: milov at cslab.uwlax.edu (Milo Velimirovic) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:20 2005 Subject: MacOSX-admin digest, Vol 1 #1240 - 20 msgs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wednesday, October 1, 2003, at 11:31 PM, Dan Shoop wrote: > At 4:02 PM -0400 10/1/03, Richard L. Peskin wrote: >> Assuming you have sendmail configured and working, the following Perl >> script works fine: >> #!/usr/bin/perl >> # >> print "Content-type: text/plain\n\n"; >> print "start..\n"; >> >> >> $mailprog = '/usr/sbin/sendmail'; > > Assuming you're using Perl this is an abominable way to implement this > and I wish people would stop recommending it. It's a lazy and hackish > way to send mail. But, but, but, *splutter* Isn't laziness one of the virtues of a Perl programmer?!?!? > > The method you describe replies on sendmail, which doesn't exist on > all system, and on many where it does exist isn't configured for > operation. This includes most Mac OS X systems where sendmail does > exist but doesn't work unless someone took great pains to unsecure it > and coerce it to working. > > Instead you should use the Mail::Mailer routines, which are easier to > use, provide better error checking, are platform agnostic, and > interface with an SMTP server so you can use it on a system where > there's no mail services at all. > > -dhan > In all seriousness, that's most excellent advice. Relying on the existence of sendmail is precarious at best. MV From magill at mcgillsociety.org Thu Oct 2 08:06:03 2003 From: magill at mcgillsociety.org (William H. Magill) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:20 2005 Subject: MacOSX-admin digest, Vol 1 #1240 - 20 msgs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thursday, October 2, 2003, at 12:31 AM, Dan Shoop wrote: > At 4:02 PM -0400 10/1/03, Richard L. Peskin wrote: >> Assuming you have sendmail configured and working, the following Perl >> script works fine: >> #!/usr/bin/perl >> # >> print "Content-type: text/plain\n\n"; >> print "start..\n"; >> >> >> $mailprog = '/usr/sbin/sendmail'; > > Assuming you're using Perl this is an abominable way to implement this > and I wish people would stop recommending it. It's a lazy and hackish > way to send mail. > > The method you describe replies on sendmail, which doesn't exist on > all system, and on many where it does exist isn't configured for > operation. This includes most Mac OS X systems where sendmail does > exist but doesn't work unless someone took great pains to unsecure it > and coerce it to working. > > Instead you should use the Mail::Mailer routines, which are easier to > use, provide better error checking, are platform agnostic, and > interface with an SMTP server so you can use it on a system where > there's no mail services at all. In particular it will break in 10.3 (Panther), where sendmail is replaced with Postfix. T.T.F.N. William H. Magill # Beige G3 - Rev A motherboard - 768 Meg # Flat-panel iMac (2.1) 800MHz - Super Drive - 768 Meg # PWS433a [Alpha 21164 Rev 7.2 (EV56)- 64 Meg]- Tru64 5.1a magill@mcgillsociety.org magill@acm.org magill@mac.com From magill at mcgillsociety.org Thu Oct 2 08:07:01 2003 From: magill at mcgillsociety.org (William H. Magill) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:20 2005 Subject: MacOSX-admin digest, Vol 1 #1240 - 20 msgs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thursday, October 2, 2003, at 12:31 AM, Dan Shoop wrote: > At 4:02 PM -0400 10/1/03, Richard L. Peskin wrote: >> Assuming you have sendmail configured and working, the following Perl >> script works fine: >> #!/usr/bin/perl >> # >> print "Content-type: text/plain\n\n"; >> print "start..\n"; >> >> >> $mailprog = '/usr/sbin/sendmail'; > > Assuming you're using Perl this is an abominable way to implement this > and I wish people would stop recommending it. It's a lazy and hackish > way to send mail. > > The method you describe replies on sendmail, which doesn't exist on > all system, and on many where it does exist isn't configured for > operation. This includes most Mac OS X systems where sendmail does > exist but doesn't work unless someone took great pains to unsecure it > and coerce it to working. > > Instead you should use the Mail::Mailer routines, which are easier to > use, provide better error checking, are platform agnostic, and > interface with an SMTP server so you can use it on a system where > there's no mail services at all. In particular it will break in 10.3 (Panther), where sendmail is replaced with Postfix. T.T.F.N. William H. Magill # Beige G3 - Rev A motherboard - 768 Meg # Flat-panel iMac (2.1) 800MHz - Super Drive - 768 Meg # PWS433a [Alpha 21164 Rev 7.2 (EV56)- 64 Meg]- Tru64 5.1a magill@mcgillsociety.org magill@acm.org magill@mac.com From ryan.suarez at sheridanc.on.ca Thu Oct 2 08:16:03 2003 From: ryan.suarez at sheridanc.on.ca (ryan.suarez@sheridanc.on.ca) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:20 2005 Subject: java applets over https do not work on OSX References: <200310012028.h91KS2e01673@venetian.webct.com> Message-ID: <3F7C4115.5A62B948@sheridanc.on.ca> Hello Admins, I just got a reply from WebCT (online course delivery application) support about an know issue with Java Applets over HTTPS not working on OSX. Is this true? Is there a workaround? Our mac users cannot access the chat mechanism (using java applets) within WebCT. This is mission critical for us as our mac community gradually transitions to online course delivery. Please advise. much appreciated, -- Ryan Suarez System Administrator Information Technology - ICT Sheridan Institute support@webct.com wrote: > Hi Ryan, > > It is a known issue that Java Applets will not work on a Mac over HTTPS. To address this issue, in WebCT 4.0 and higher we have added to the option to either secure everything or passwords only. Setting to secure passwords only will allow Mac users to use any Java Applet. > > Regards, > > Ron Santos > WebCT Support Analyst > support@webct.com > http://www.webct.com/support/ From magill at mcgillsociety.org Thu Oct 2 08:26:21 2003 From: magill at mcgillsociety.org (William H. Magill) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:20 2005 Subject: /private/var/log/wtmp In-Reply-To: <27CA283B-F46A-11D7-AD03-003065684FF6@novaworks.org> Message-ID: <38BEAC1A-F4EC-11D7-91C6-000393768D2C@mcgillsociety.org> On Wednesday, October 1, 2003, at 07:51 PM, Elton Hughes wrote: > I found file file on my Mac and on my SUN workstation. On the Mac is > is pretty small, about 288 bytes, while on my SUN it is 10 megs. Does > anyone have an idea as to what it is and if it can be safely deleted? As others have pointed out, wtmp contains login/logout information. As such, its size is dependent upon both how frequently it is cycled AND on how many different users log in and out on the system. Each and every login and logout is recorded ... but if you don't login and logout regularly there are very few entries. (On OS X, each pty used, ie terminal window launched, is logged, in addition to the "Console" - LoginWindow - login.) "last" will display the contents of the file. (man last). On OS X it is cycled by /etc/periodic/monthly/500.monthly, which is run out of crontab once a month at 5:30am (I think that is the default time) on the first of the month. If your system is not up at that time, it won't cycle. However, if you just looked at the output of "last" on your Mac, it should have an entry on the order of: "wtmp begins Wed Oct 1 06:08" (normally it will be the last line output.) Note however, that the OS X implementation of the periodic function is poor at best. There are quite a few things that it doesn't do and a couple that it thinks it does, but which fail because of programming errors. As with virtually all Unix variants, "accounting functions" (which is what periodic really is) are pretty much ignored. You have to go in and fix them yourself. ... and this is just as true with Solaris as it is with AIX or Tru64. The important thing to remember about wtmp and utmp -- they are NOT accurate! There are a whole host of things which prevent entries from being made T.T.F.N. William H. Magill # Beige G3 - Rev A motherboard - 768 Meg # Flat-panel iMac (2.1) 800MHz - Super Drive - 768 Meg # PWS433a [Alpha 21164 Rev 7.2 (EV56)- 64 Meg]- Tru64 5.1a magill@mcgillsociety.org magill@acm.org magill@mac.com From Jonathan.Wood at uk.nestle.com Thu Oct 2 08:57:01 2003 From: Jonathan.Wood at uk.nestle.com (Jonathan.Wood@uk.nestle.com) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:20 2005 Subject: Anyone come across this network home speed issue? Message-ID: I have a strange network issue I can not put my finger on. I have an older AIX based file server as well as our new shiny x-serve - when I copy a file from that AIX server to a local disk on a test Mac it copies at the expected speed. When I copy the file to a network home folder of a user I am logged in as it copies ten times slower! - this only happens on this one test Mac so far the others copies at nearly the same speed as the copy to local disk operation. I did think that the test Mac network speed must have auto neg to 10 base instead of 100 base - but the copy to local disk travels at normal (100 base) speed. It is like the x-serve itself has a slow connection to the AIX server. Anyone have any ideas? WOoDY \__/ (please ignore tiresome auto added company disclaimer below!) ==== PLEASE NOTE ==== This email is for the intended recipient only and is confidential. If this email has been misdirected, please let the sender know and delete it. Any disclosure, copying, distribution is prohibited. Although we take great care to protect our network from computer viruses, we accept no responsibility for mail-borne viruses and recommend that you scan the email and its attachments. If you do find any virus please let us know so that we may take appropriate action. For the legal protection of our business any email sent or received by us may be monitored or intercepted. For details of the registered offices of the companies using this email gateway please see http://www.nestle.co.uk/regoff.htm ==================== From schreian at bc.edu Thu Oct 2 09:09:01 2003 From: schreian at bc.edu (Tony Schreiner) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:20 2005 Subject: Anyone come across this network home speed issue? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: What type of copy -- via NFS? Does the same hold true for other methods (e.g. FTP)? On Thursday, October 2, 2003, at 11:56 AM, Jonathan.Wood@uk.nestle.com wrote: > I have a strange network issue I can not put my finger on. > I have an older AIX based file server as well as our new shiny x-serve > - when I copy a file from that AIX server to a local disk on a test > Mac it copies at the expected speed. When I copy the file to a network > home folder of a user I am logged in as it copies ten times slower! - > this only happens on this one test Mac so far the others copies at > nearly the same speed as the copy to local disk operation. I did think > that the test Mac network speed must have auto neg to 10 base instead > of 100 base - but the copy to local disk travels at normal (100 base) > speed. It is like the x-serve itself has a slow connection to the AIX > server. Anyone have any ideas? > > > WOoDY > \__/ > > (please ignore tiresome auto added company disclaimer below!) > > > ==== PLEASE NOTE ==== > This email is for the intended recipient only and is confidential. If > this email has been misdirected, please let the sender know and delete > it. Any disclosure, copying, distribution is prohibited. > > Although we take great care to protect our network from computer > viruses, we accept no responsibility for mail-borne viruses and > recommend that you scan the email and its attachments. If you do find > any virus please let us know so that we may take appropriate action. > > For the legal protection of our business any email sent or received by > us may be monitored or intercepted. > > For details of the registered offices of the companies using this > email gateway please see http://www.nestle.co.uk/regoff.htm > ==================== > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-admin mailing list > MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin From andrina at corefa.com Thu Oct 2 09:43:01 2003 From: andrina at corefa.com (Andrina Kelly) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:20 2005 Subject: creating aliases In-Reply-To: <1927FE96-F4D5-11D7-AF6D-000A95977AAA@ocs.cz> Message-ID: <3CFF05F6-F4F7-11D7-A7AC-000393D39CBA@corefa.com> On the same lines then, has anyone had experience with a Mac connecting to NFS servers which have links on them? The links within the same volume appear to work fine - but we have some Linux/Irix links across filers and they break as soon as they come anywhere near a Mac... The Mac sees them as an Alias, and both the NFS volumes where the link and the actual directory are held are mounted on the client Mac, however, clicking the link (or what the Mac thinks is an Alias) results in "The original item could not be found" dialogue... Any thoughts? Cheers, Andrina On Thursday, October 2, 2003, at 08:36 AM, Ondra Cada wrote: > > On Thursday, Oct 2, 2003, at 08:45 Europe/Prague, steve harley wrote: > >> .. aliases fall back on (and used to consider first) a file >> reference, which remains valid when a path is broken.. this behavior >> is very useful in many real life situations, and it's only real >> downside is that Unix never had to cope with it > > Not really. There is a bunch of ugly drawbacks, the worst of them > probably being the probability you would unintentionally use a backup > copy instead of the actual file, after the very intuitive and oft-used > pattern of "move the old to backup, put the new into its place". > Happens sometimes in 10.2, happened umpteen times a day in 10.1 when > this terrible behaviour was used first and path was just a fallback. > > Also, just have a look how terribly the Open/Save panels, triple alas > alias-based instead of being name-based as they should, cope with /tmp > :( > --- > Ondra ?ada > OCSoftware: ocs@ocs.cz http://www.ocs.cz > private ondra@ocs.cz http://www.ocs.cz/oc > > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-admin mailing list > MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin > > ........................................................... andrina kelly email: andrina@coredp.com c.o.r.e. feature animation http://www.coredp.com ........................................................... -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/enriched Size: 2138 bytes Desc: not available Url : /mailman/archive/macosx-admin/attachments/20031002/1edd9b74/attachment.bin From schreian at bc.edu Thu Oct 2 09:58:09 2003 From: schreian at bc.edu (Tony Schreiner) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:20 2005 Subject: creating aliases In-Reply-To: <3CFF05F6-F4F7-11D7-A7AC-000393D39CBA@corefa.com> Message-ID: <83746409-F4F9-11D7-BC1C-000A95686418@bc.edu> On Thursday, October 2, 2003, at 12:41 PM, Andrina Kelly wrote: > On the same lines then, has anyone had experience with a Mac > connecting to NFS servers which have links on them? The links within > the same volume appear to work fine - but we have some Linux/Irix > links across filers and they break as soon as they come anywhere near > a Mac... The Mac sees them as an Alias, and both the NFS volumes where > the link and the actual directory are held are mounted on the client > Mac, however, clicking the link (or what the Mac thinks is an Alias) > results in "The original item could not be found" dialogue... > > Any thoughts? > > Cheers, > Andrina > > That's because a symbolic link in Unix uses the full path name of the target. Even if the volume with the target is also mounted (which you didn't say), it surely has a different path when NFS mounted on your Mac than on the server. From jared at 23x.net Thu Oct 2 10:48:09 2003 From: jared at 23x.net (Jared ''Danger'' Earle) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:20 2005 Subject: creating aliases In-Reply-To: <83746409-F4F9-11D7-BC1C-000A95686418@bc.edu> References: <83746409-F4F9-11D7-BC1C-000A95686418@bc.edu> Message-ID: <3F7C63ED.5040203@23x.net> Tony Schreiner wrote: > That's because a symbolic link in Unix uses the full path name of the > target. > > Even if the volume with the target is also mounted (which you didn't > say), it surely has a different path when NFS mounted on your Mac than > on the server. Not so. You can have relative and absolute symlinks: jearle@pikachu$ ll total 2 lrwxr-xr-x 1 jearle wheel - 9 Oct 2 19:44 file@ -> temp/file lrwxr-xr-x 1 jearle wheel - 26 Oct 2 19:45 file2@ -> /home/jearle/tmp/temp/file drwxr-xr-x 2 jearle wheel - 512 Oct 2 19:44 temp/ See? -- jared@23x.net From schreian at bc.edu Thu Oct 2 10:51:02 2003 From: schreian at bc.edu (Tony Schreiner) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:20 2005 Subject: creating aliases In-Reply-To: <3F7C63ED.5040203@23x.net> Message-ID: True enough, but the relative pathname still has to resolve to something that exists. On Thursday, October 2, 2003, at 01:44 PM, Jared ''Danger'' Earle wrote: > Tony Schreiner wrote: >> That's because a symbolic link in Unix uses the full path name of the >> target. >> Even if the volume with the target is also mounted (which you didn't >> say), it surely has a different path when NFS mounted on your Mac >> than on the server. > > Not so. You can have relative and absolute symlinks: > > jearle@pikachu$ ll > total 2 > lrwxr-xr-x 1 jearle wheel - 9 Oct 2 19:44 file@ -> temp/file > lrwxr-xr-x 1 jearle wheel - 26 Oct 2 19:45 file2@ -> > /home/jearle/tmp/temp/file > drwxr-xr-x 2 jearle wheel - 512 Oct 2 19:44 temp/ > > See? > > -- > jared@23x.net > From andrina at corefa.com Thu Oct 2 10:51:23 2003 From: andrina at corefa.com (Andrina Kelly) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:20 2005 Subject: creating aliases In-Reply-To: <83746409-F4F9-11D7-BC1C-000A95686418@bc.edu> Message-ID: They are both mounted - as was mentioned in my original comment. And yes, it does have a different path on the Macs as opposed to the Linux machines in the house... So, know a nice way around this? Cheers, Andrina On Thursday, October 2, 2003, at 12:57 PM, Tony Schreiner wrote: > > On Thursday, October 2, 2003, at 12:41 PM, Andrina Kelly wrote: > >> On the same lines then, has anyone had experience with a Mac >> connecting to NFS servers which have links on them? The links within >> the same volume appear to work fine - but we have some Linux/Irix >> links across filers and they break as soon as they come anywhere near >> a Mac... The Mac sees them as an Alias, and both the NFS volumes >> where the link and the actual directory are held are mounted on the >> client Mac, however, clicking the link (or what the Mac thinks is an >> Alias) results in "The original item could not be found" dialogue... >> >> Any thoughts? >> >> Cheers, >> Andrina >> >> > > That's because a symbolic link in Unix uses the full path name of the > target. > > Even if the volume with the target is also mounted (which you didn't > say), it surely has a different path when NFS mounted on your Mac than > on the server. > > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-admin mailing list > MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin > > ........................................................... andrina kelly email: andrina@coredp.com c.o.r.e. feature animation http://www.coredp.com ........................................................... -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks -- David McRell From garrison at zeta.org.au Thu Oct 2 11:47:05 2003 From: garrison at zeta.org.au (Charlie Garrison) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:20 2005 Subject: java applets over https do not work on OSX In-Reply-To: <3F7C4115.5A62B948@sheridanc.on.ca> Message-ID: Good morning, On 2/10/03 at 11:15 AM -0400, ryan.suarez@sheridanc.on.ca wrote: >I just got a reply from WebCT (online course delivery application) >support about an know issue with Java Applets over HTTPS not working on >OSX. Is this true? Is there a workaround? That sounds like a browser issue to me rather than on OSX issue. And in either case, it shouldn't be a problem. I load a java applet (from my bank) via https all the time. It works for me using both Safari and IE. They probably mean that *their* java applet won't run on OSX via https. Charlie -- Charlie Garrison garrison@zeta.org.au PO Box 141, Windsor, NSW 2756, Australia From kremels at kreme.com Thu Oct 2 11:55:01 2003 From: kremels at kreme.com (LuKreme) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:20 2005 Subject: MacOSX-admin digest, Vol 1 #1240 - 20 msgs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Oct 2, 2003, at 8:15 AM, Milo Velimirovic wrote: > On Wednesday, October 1, 2003, at 11:31 PM, Dan Shoop wrote: >> At 4:02 PM -0400 10/1/03, Richard L. Peskin wrote: >>> Assuming you have sendmail configured and working, the following >>> Perl script works fine: >>> #!/usr/bin/perl >>> # >>> print "Content-type: text/plain\n\n"; >>> print "start..\n"; >>> >>> >>> $mailprog = '/usr/sbin/sendmail'; >> >> Assuming you're using Perl this is an abominable way to implement >> this and I wish people would stop recommending it. It's a lazy and >> hackish way to send mail. > > But, but, but, *splutter* > > Isn't laziness one of the virtues of a Perl programmer?!?!? No, it's the ONLY virtue of the perl programmer! ;p -- This is our music from the bachelor's den, the sound of loneliness turned up to ten. A harsh soundtrack from a stagnant waterbed and it sounds just like this. This is the sound of someone losing the plot, making out that they're OK when they're not. You're gonna like it, but not a lot. And the chorus goes like this... From kremels at kreme.com Thu Oct 2 11:55:51 2003 From: kremels at kreme.com (LuKreme) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:20 2005 Subject: MacOSX-admin digest, Vol 1 #1240 - 20 msgs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Oct 2, 2003, at 9:05 AM, William H. Magill wrote: > In particular it will break in 10.3 (Panther), where sendmail is > replaced with Postfix. No it won't Postfix is a "drop-in' replacement for sendmail. -- Love is like oxygen/You get too much/you get too high/Not enough and you're gonna die From milov at cslab.uwlax.edu Thu Oct 2 11:58:33 2003 From: milov at cslab.uwlax.edu (Milo Velimirovic) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:20 2005 Subject: NetInfo - MAC addresses In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <2AE6C9BF-F50A-11D7-88E5-000393DB3604@cslab.uwlax.edu> David, The place for all this sort of information is in the bootptab. Netinfo likes to construct a bootptab on the fly from the machines directory using the name, bootfile, ip_adddress and en_address properties, substituting default information for what's missing. There are (at least) two ways to enter this into your netinfo: # niload bootptab . << EOF hostname 1 0:0:0:0:0:0 www.xxx.yyy.zzz bootfile ... EOF or if you're willing to reformat your flat file: # niload -r /machines . < machinesFile machinesFile contains what a raw dump might produce, you have to pay extra close attention to {} and ()s if you're going to construct this by hand! { "name" = ( "machines" ); CHILDREN = ( { "name" = ( "localhost" ); "ip_address" = ( "127.0.0.1" ); "serves" = ( "./local" ); }, { "name" = ( "broadcasthost" ); "ip_address" = ( "255.255.255.255" ); "serves" = ( "../network" ); }, { "name" = ( "hostname" ); "en_address" = ( "0:1:2:3:4:5" ); "system_type" = ( "Description" ); "owner" = ( "Owner's Name" ); } ) } You can of course substitute / for . in my examples to load things into the network NetInfo domain, assuming a two level NetInfo, the root domain in a multi-level NetInfo heirarchy. Regards, Milo On Thursday, October 2, 2003, at 01:37 PM, David McRell wrote: > Hello. > > I have a flat database of all my workstations, which includes a unique > host > name and MAC address. Is there a place in the NetInfo structure where > I can > store this information where it might be of value? > > Thanks > -- > David McRell > > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-admin mailing list > MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin > > -- Milo Velimirovic University of Wisconsin - La Crosse La Crosse, Wisconsin 54601 USA 43 48 05 N 91 14 22 W -- "On two occasions, I have been asked [by members of Parliament], 'Pray, Mr. Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able to rightly apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question." -- Charles Babbage From fabienlroy at mac.com Thu Oct 2 12:06:18 2003 From: fabienlroy at mac.com (Fabien Roy) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:20 2005 Subject: NetInfo - MAC addresses In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Where do you want that information to be accessed. If it's from one computer I usually uses the "nobody" user account default database. Fabien On Thursday, Oct 2, 2003, at 11:37 America/Los_Angeles, David McRell wrote: > Hello. > > I have a flat database of all my workstations, which includes a unique > host > name and MAC address. Is there a place in the NetInfo structure where > I can > store this information where it might be of value? > > Thanks > -- > David McRell > > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-admin mailing list > MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin > From ocs at ocs.cz Thu Oct 2 12:11:40 2003 From: ocs at ocs.cz (Ondra Cada) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:20 2005 Subject: creating aliases In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <10560AEC-F50C-11D7-AF6D-000A95977AAA@ocs.cz> On Thursday, Oct 2, 2003, at 19:49 Europe/Prague, Andrina Kelly wrote: > They are both mounted - as was mentioned in my original comment. And > yes, it does have a different path on the Macs as opposed to the Linux > machines in the house... So, know a nice way around this? Sorry, not really a nice one. Depending on where the links presume the other volume is, you may create another symlink on Mac -- say, the symlink goes to /OtherVolume/Whatever, presuming OtherVolume is in root: you can make it work by making a symlink in OSX root ln /Volumes/OtherVolume /OtherVolume Or, you can even mount the volume there (specifying the appropriate mountpoint in the NFS config). If the name links think the volume has clashes with something in Mac OS X, it's a big problem: for such a case I don't know of a better solution than changing all the links (which can be easily automated using a simple script, but nevertheless it's quite far from "nice"). --- Ondra ?ada OCSoftware: ocs@ocs.cz http://www.ocs.cz private ondra@ocs.cz http://www.ocs.cz/oc From shoop at iWiring.Net Thu Oct 2 12:16:51 2003 From: shoop at iWiring.Net (Dan Shoop) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:20 2005 Subject: [HELP] Script to Launch rsyncx from crontab if volumes is mounted In-Reply-To: <71F3555A-F4CF-11D7-A36E-000393DB9D1E@csr-bos.com> References: <71F3555A-F4CF-11D7-A36E-000393DB9D1E@csr-bos.com> Message-ID: At 7:56 AM -0400 10/2/03, Mark Palmerino wrote: >On Tuesday, September 30, 2003, at 07:48 PM, omni_osx_ml@todoo.biz wrote: > >>Le 30/09/03 21:27, ? Conrad G T Yoder ? a ?crit : >> >>#!/bin/sh >> >>## >># Script de backup pour Rsync >>## >> >>if [ -d /Volumes/BackupData ]; then > >Is BackupData a disk that is always mounted (say >an internal drive versus an external firewire >drive) or is it a disk that you sometimes mount >manually? The reason I ask is because I've seen >cases where the directory actually exists in >/Volumes but the drive is no longer mounted. This usually occurs when the device was forced offline (unplug Firewire or USb devices) or dismounted without the disk arbitrators knowledge (liek using umount). -dhan +------------------------------------------------------------------------+ Dan Shoop shoop@iwiring.net Consulting Internet Architect shoop@mac.com AIM: iWiring pgp key fingerprint: FAC0 9434 B5A5 24A8 D0AF 12B1 7840 3BE7 3736 DE0B iWiring designs and supports Internet systems and networks based on OS X unix(tm), and Open Source technologies. How can we help you today? Dan Shoop will be speaking at the O'Reilly & Associates Mac OS X Conference See http://conferences.oreillynet.com/macosx2003/ for details From shoop at iWiring.Net Thu Oct 2 12:19:10 2003 From: shoop at iWiring.Net (Dan Shoop) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:20 2005 Subject: MacOSX-admin digest, Vol 1 #1240 - 20 msgs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 9:15 AM -0500 10/2/03, Milo Velimirovic wrote: >On Wednesday, October 1, 2003, at 11:31 PM, Dan Shoop wrote: > >>At 4:02 PM -0400 10/1/03, Richard L. Peskin wrote: >>>Assuming you have sendmail configured and working, the following >>>Perl script works fine: >>>#!/usr/bin/perl >>># >>>print "Content-type: text/plain\n\n"; >>>print "start..\n"; >>> >>> >>>$mailprog = '/usr/sbin/sendmail'; >> >>Assuming you're using Perl this is an abominable way to implement >>this and I wish people would stop recommending it. It's a lazy and >>hackish way to send mail. > >But, but, but, *splutter* > >Isn't laziness one of the virtues of a Perl programmer?!?!? And since it's harder to assure that this is working, the easier way is to use the facilities Perl provides than to hack it yourself. So it *is* the lazy way. ;) -dhan +------------------------------------------------------------------------+ Dan Shoop shoop@iwiring.net Consulting Internet Architect shoop@mac.com AIM: iWiring pgp key fingerprint: FAC0 9434 B5A5 24A8 D0AF 12B1 7840 3BE7 3736 DE0B iWiring designs and supports Internet systems and networks based on OS X unix(tm), and Open Source technologies. How can we help you today? Dan Shoop will be speaking at the O'Reilly & Associates Mac OS X Conference See http://conferences.oreillynet.com/macosx2003/ for details From shoop at iWiring.Net Thu Oct 2 12:21:06 2003 From: shoop at iWiring.Net (Dan Shoop) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:20 2005 Subject: /private/var/log/wtmp In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 12:12 AM -0700 10/2/03, Leon Towns-von Stauber wrote: >>>The file is trimmed by the /etc/monthly script (via cron) on the >>>Mac, if I remember right, there's no default cron job that will >>>trim it on Solaris. >> >>Actually it's the periodic facility that runs /etc/monthly and the >>other periodic housekeeping tasks. This is in keeping with BSD 4. > >Sure, but it's cron that runs periodic (from /etc/crontab). >So both are correct; cron runs those scripts, indirectly, by >executing periodic. Since unix has no batch processing facilities for job processing cron is used for scheduling timed tasks. Period is a BSD facility used to process jobs that occur with a frequency or are to be handled daily, weekly, monthly, ... New scheduled and reoccuring jobs the sysadmin wishes executed should be handled through periodic; it has additional features that make it desirable and can better organize such tasks. -dhan +------------------------------------------------------------------------+ Dan Shoop shoop@iwiring.net Consulting Internet Architect shoop@mac.com AIM: iWiring pgp key fingerprint: FAC0 9434 B5A5 24A8 D0AF 12B1 7840 3BE7 3736 DE0B iWiring designs and supports Internet systems and networks based on OS X unix(tm), and Open Source technologies. How can we help you today? Dan Shoop will be speaking at the O'Reilly & Associates Mac OS X Conference See http://conferences.oreillynet.com/macosx2003/ for details From garbanzito at mac.com Thu Oct 2 12:27:08 2003 From: garbanzito at mac.com (steve harley) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:20 2005 Subject: creating aliases In-Reply-To: <1927FE96-F4D5-11D7-AF6D-000A95977AAA@ocs.cz> Message-ID: <578EE462-F50E-11D7-A7C1-000393C5ED50@mac.com> On Thursday, Oct 2, 2003, at 06:36 America/Denver, Ondra Cada wrote: > On Thursday, Oct 2, 2003, at 08:45 Europe/Prague, steve harley wrote: >> .. aliases fall back on (and used to consider first) a file >> reference, which remains valid when a path is broken.. this behavior >> is very useful in many real life situations, and it's only real >> downside is that Unix never had to cope with it > > Not really. There is a bunch of ugly drawbacks, the worst of them > probably being the probability you would unintentionally use a backup > copy instead of the actual file , after the very intuitive and > oft-used pattern of "move the old to backup, put the new into its > place". i think that pattern has primacy among those who expect path-based behavior, and is an illustration of the downside i mentioned.. those who expect alias behavior can just as easily have their expectations broken by symlinks (or the new alias behavior, especially since aliases dynamically update their path only when resolved) functionally, either paradigm has certain functional advantages, but i think succeeds or fails on the basis of expectations.. so i guess it boils down to whether (and when) a location/name or an object reference is the most useful expectation.. symlinks are probably more useful to developers, especially on a system where the layout of system files is fairly rigid, and aliases are more useful to users.. perhaps that's why Apple stuck with aliases in the UI > Also, just have a look how terribly the Open/Save panels, triple alas > alias-based instead of being name-based as they should, cope with /tmp > :( i haven't experienced what you are describing, so i'm not sure what the problem is.. but wanting a reference to a file within /tmp would be a good example of the advantage of alias behavior, since if i want to retain it, i'm likely to move it, which would break a symlink From shoop at iWiring.Net Thu Oct 2 12:30:02 2003 From: shoop at iWiring.Net (Dan Shoop) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:20 2005 Subject: MacOSX-admin digest, Vol 1 #1240 - 20 msgs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 11:05 AM -0400 10/2/03, William H. Magill wrote: >On Thursday, October 2, 2003, at 12:31 AM, Dan Shoop wrote: >In particular it will break in 10.3 (Panther), where sendmail is >replaced with Postfix. Not exactly. Usually the last step in a postfix or exim installation is to symlink sendmail to the replacement MTA. Since the both have sendmail syntax for such drop in support this works. -dhan +------------------------------------------------------------------------+ Dan Shoop shoop@iwiring.net Consulting Internet Architect shoop@mac.com AIM: iWiring pgp key fingerprint: FAC0 9434 B5A5 24A8 D0AF 12B1 7840 3BE7 3736 DE0B iWiring designs and supports Internet systems and networks based on OS X unix(tm), and Open Source technologies. How can we help you today? Dan Shoop will be speaking at the O'Reilly & Associates Mac OS X Conference See http://conferences.oreillynet.com/macosx2003/ for details From janos.lobb at yale.edu Thu Oct 2 12:38:00 2003 From: janos.lobb at yale.edu (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?J=E1nos_L=F6bb?=) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:20 2005 Subject: [OT] cyberinsecurity Message-ID: Happy reading !! http://www.ccianet.org/papers/cyberinsecurity.pdf J?nos ---------------------------------------------- Trying to argue with a politician is like lifting up the head of a corpse. (S. Lem: His Master Voice) From individual at mi.cl Thu Oct 2 14:00:07 2003 From: individual at mi.cl (individual) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:20 2005 Subject: using mount to mount a dir somewhere else Message-ID: <4FBE3428-F51B-11D7-8132-003065DCDA98@mi.cl> Hi. My ftp server is pure-ftpd. I have a series of virtual accounts, all chrooted. I want those accounts to access a certain folder. A symlink will not be followed. The pure-ftpd FAQ suggests using mount to mount the folder I want them to see within their root. I tried this with sudo mount -v /blabla/dir_to_share/ /Users/ftpusers/ftpjoe/dir_to_share Password: /blabla/dir_to_share/ /Users/ftpusers/ftpjoe/dir_to_share: Block device required Then I tried this with sudo mount -v localhost:/blabla/dir_to_share/ /Users/ftpusers/ftpjoe/dir_to_share but that failed after a while. So: what am I doing wrong? Paul PS: apologies for cross posting but got no replies on the other list. This might be a better palce to ask. From palantir at purdue.edu Thu Oct 2 14:15:01 2003 From: palantir at purdue.edu (Tom Johnson) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:20 2005 Subject: Client Macs using AFP network mounted home directories perform very slowly Message-ID: Ok, another long post (don't post often at all, but when I do they are dozzies :-). Based on my research I doubt anyone has seen this since we appear to be one of the few places using NFS re-shares and there is a decent chance that that is a factor in this problem. However, as always any ideas or insights welcome. Slow Mac problem knowledge Context/Environment Mac OS X 10.2.6 clients using AFP mounted home directories. Home directories are mounted at the file system level which can contain between 500-1500 user home directories depending on the file system. Authentication and directory service data for both clients and servers is received via LDAP v.3 plug-in which connects to a Sun Solaris box running OpenLDAP. Home directories served by 4 Mac OS X 10.2.6 servers (dual processor Xserves) on 100 MB full duplex switched connections. File sharing done using Apple's NFS re-share functionality (i.e. AppleFileServer re-shares via AFP the server's NFS mounts). The servers each have about 40 NFS mounts which represent one file system on our two big UNIX servers (Sun Solaris running Veritas for the file system on the RAID). Each server has a unique set of file systems, no duplication, so the users connect to the one that their home directory resides in. All this mapping data is kept in the LDAP server so it "just works?". Just to note since it has come up before, NONE of the shares these servers provide are local disk - they are all NFS mounts being re-shared since all home directories reside on the large Sun Solaris boxes. Some idea of scale - 200 Mac clients most 100 MB half-duplex switched, max number of users connected to any one server has been in the mid 30s, potential user (account) base is 60,000 (i.e. while they won't all be logged in at once, any one of these accounts is a potential user). Home directory quota on the Sun Solaris servers is 500megs. Usage peaks mid-day and early afternoon (say 11:00-15:00). Usage comes in waves/spikes as users mostly login and logout in the same 10 minute period between classes. Short Description of the problem (user point of view): The Mac OS X clients begin acting slow. This can range in severity from minor sluggishness to unusable (second or two delay now and then to 5 minutes to launch a program). During this delay the cursor will turn to the colored spinning disk for that program. You can switch to other programs and they work, though they will mostly likely also go slow. The problem is not constant (i.e. the Macs aren't always slow) nor does it impact all users at the same time. However, it does impact all user's who's home directories come from the same Mac OS X Server. The behavior of the Macs used by those users tend to be a mirror of one another - they go slow together and they speed up together. Trouble shooting/narrowing the problem down The problem seems to be rooted in slow access/response to/from the AFP mounted home directory. Access to the home directory in the Finder at these "slow" times will be slow. Running a simple "ls" in the terminal can take minutes if there are a few hundred files/folders. Other home directory access mechanisms (open/save dialog boxes, etc) will also go very slow. Programs that don't really use the home directory once they have finished launching, say Calculator, work fine after they finish launching. Logins appear to be slow due to several loginhooks we run that require reads and writes of the user's home directory (small ones, but there are a reasonable number of files that get looked at, probably in the dozens category) - since these are logged in the System log we can see that they are taking much longer than normal to complete. However, on the server end, access to the NFS mounted file systems is as fast as ever. You can start an "ls" on the server at the same time you start an "ls" of the exact same directory but over an AFP mount from a client that is suffering from the slow problem. The server will finish quickly - at the normal speed you expect for the number of files/directories involved. The Mac OS X client doing the same "ls" but over the AFP mount will take much longer, frequently minutes if the directory contains several hundred files/folders. So, the server can read the files fast, but clients can't. The server's load is low - averaging between 15%-30% CPU usage (Server Status chart) or if you watch your top output anywhere from next to nothing to a peak of .8 on a dual processor Xserve. Network load is also far less than what the network pipe can handle - usually in the range of .5 - 2.5 Mbytes/second though the charts in Server Status show really sharp spikes (i.e. short time) that go up much higher. 10.5 Mbytes/second being the highest of these spikes but much more common is between 3 and 7 Mbytes/second. The lack of a labeled time scale and flexibility in Server Status makes it hard to look at the data exactly how you want to. Regardless of the spikes for a moment, we do have the "slow Mac" problem when the pipe is not swamped as you can access the server via other network means (say ssh sessions) and transfer data without any real difficulty. Based on the above we have been suspecting that the culprit is the actual AppleFileServer process, that for some reason it is busy/not getting data to the clients/not giving correct data to the clients. As such we have been using ktrace to look at the activity of the AppleFileServer process during these slow Mac problems. Observations that we have made from the ktrace output: - ktrace output is very large :-) - Mac OS 9 clients were initiating a CatSearch of the server (seen in the AFS access logs) which caused the AFS process to walk the entire mounted share and performa lstat on every file that that user could read. Since we mount at the file system level there can be up to 1500 user home directories on a share. Most are not readable to all users, but some are, and those that were had every single file lstat'ed. We have since cut the Mac OS 9 clients off from the Mac OS X servers. Unfortunately it is hard to quantify how much this helped/didn't help. It certainly did not solve the "slow Mac" problem which continues. - We noticed lots of accesses to ~/Library/Caches/* , no real surprise there. To lighten the load, we replaced all user's ~/Library/Caches with a symlink to a local (on the client hard drive) directory that the user has write and read permissions to. Again, it is hard to quantify how much this helped/didn't help our "slow Mac" problem but it certainly didn't solve it. - We have seen many cases of repeated directory accesses for ~/Library/Preferences , ~/Documents/Microsoft User Data/ , and ~/Mozilla/ . These access are highly suspicious since there can be thousands of them in a minute or two, and this is all to a specific user in that time frame. - The most suspicious has been accesses to the Mozilla folder tree. The Mozilla cache is still on the user's home directory (we are working on that). In several ktraces taken during "slow Mac" problems for users connected to that Mac OS X Server, of all the NAMI entries in the ktrace between 15% and 80% of them were for files in ONE user's home directory. Being very suspicious we watched Netscape in other instances and did not find this repeating pattern nor the large number of NAMI entires for files in the ~/Library/Mozilla folder. - On one occasion we were able to link this large number of Mozilla entires during a slow Mac to a user (user login: mglane) in the same room as one of our techs so we got to do some experiments. - Netscape had "locked up" on the user - it was a running process and was doing work at a CPU level, but did nothing in the GUI just showing a spinning disk. It was locking at launch time. - Whenever the user launched Netscape and it "locked up" we got large numbers of NAMI entries for ~/Library/Mozilla which were repeated requests for the same files. When Netscape was killed the NAMI entries ended (expected) - Whenever the user launched Netscape and it "locked up" **AND ALL OTHER USERS who's home directories were served by that Mac OS X server got slow**. When Netscape was killed all other users who's home directories were served by that Mac OS X server sped up again. - Other users of Netscape at the same time had no problems launching the program nor did their use of Netscape impact the speed of other users on the same Mac OS X server. - we have ktrace output and tcpdumps from both the server side and the client side for this event. - When this experiment was tried with the same user on a later date, it was not repeatable. Note - The servers had been re-booted sense the original event. - We have one other occasion where Netscape "locked up" on a user while writing an email in Netscape Mail and all other users using that Mac OS X Server for their home directories got "slow" until Netscape was killed on that users Mac. This was not repeatable at the time. - Not all ktraces taken during "slow Mac" times have large numbers of Mozilla NAMI entries, but many of them do. This makes it unlikely that Netscape is the root cause, more likely a frequent trigger. Conclusions that we have come to so far: CPU load and Network pipe do not seem to be involved on either the client or the server. The slow Mac appears to be caused by the client making a file system request of the AFP mounted home directory and it taking a long time to get the correct data back. Since you can do fast file accesses of the NFS mounts from the server side during a period of the "slow Mac" problem the source appears to be the AppleFileServer process itself or in activity which it engages in. Files: We have a fair number of ktraces and a couple of tcpdumps taken during occurrences of the "slow Mac" problem. Most were taken over a long (5-15 minute) time period so are rather large. We have a few that were done for a much shorter time 1-2 minutes during occurrences of the "slow Mac" problem. Perhaps the most interesting ktrace and tcpdump pair we have is the set taken on the one occasion that we were able to cause the problem by having one particular user launch Netscape 7.02. I am currently working on transferring these files to a server which can accessed and also organizing the files. I might be able to make them available on request, but due to size and the data in them I have to be careful who they get distributed to. More importantly unless you have experience programming and with ktraces, you probably won't be able to make heads or tails of them :-). Tom "Macintosh Doctor" Johnson palantir@purdue.edu From dario at dndltd.com Thu Oct 2 14:25:01 2003 From: dario at dndltd.com (Dario) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:20 2005 Subject: Workgroup collaboration Message-ID: Anyone know of a good cross-platform collaboration suite (something like Act) that will run on OSXserver? The more features the better but price is a consideration. We would like to keep it under Act's pricing. We have look at a combination of TeamAgenda and FileMaker but would like more options. Thanks, Dario From shoop at iWiring.Net Thu Oct 2 15:39:02 2003 From: shoop at iWiring.Net (Dan Shoop) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:20 2005 Subject: using mount to mount a dir somewhere else In-Reply-To: <4FBE3428-F51B-11D7-8132-003065DCDA98@mi.cl> References: <4FBE3428-F51B-11D7-8132-003065DCDA98@mi.cl> Message-ID: At 4:59 PM -0400 10/2/03, individual wrote: >Hi. > >My ftp server is pure-ftpd. > >I have a series of virtual accounts, all chrooted. > >I want those accounts to access a certain folder. A symlink will not >be followed. The pure-ftpd FAQ suggests using mount to mount the >folder I want them to see within their root. I tried this with > >sudo mount -v /blabla/dir_to_share/ /Users/ftpusers/ftpjoe/dir_to_share >Password: > /blabla/dir_to_share/ /Users/ftpusers/ftpjoe/dir_to_share: Block >device required > >Then I tried this with > >sudo mount -v localhost:/blabla/dir_to_share/ >/Users/ftpusers/ftpjoe/dir_to_share > > >but that failed after a while. > >So: what am I doing wrong? You misunderstood the suggestion in the documentation. You can't mount a directory to a mountpoint, you can only mount block special files (disk volumes) to a mountpoint. Also you can only mount a volume at one point, so you wouldn't be able to mount it in each users chroot. What you'll need to do is chroot the users to a directory containing all the users and the common directories and then protect the other user directories through permissions. An alternative is to set up the common directory as a separate common user that they then FTP to additionally. Or better yet use an ftpd that can follow symlinks. -dhan +------------------------------------------------------------------------+ Dan Shoop shoop@iwiring.net Consulting Internet Architect shoop@mac.com AIM: iWiring pgp key fingerprint: FAC0 9434 B5A5 24A8 D0AF 12B1 7840 3BE7 3736 DE0B iWiring designs and supports Internet systems and networks based on OS X unix(tm), and Open Source technologies. How can we help you today? Dan Shoop will be speaking at the O'Reilly & Associates Mac OS X Conference See http://conferences.oreillynet.com/macosx2003/ for details From shoop at iWiring.Net Thu Oct 2 15:41:18 2003 From: shoop at iWiring.Net (Dan Shoop) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:20 2005 Subject: [OT] cyberinsecurity In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 3:37 PM -0400 10/2/03, J?nos L?bb wrote: >Happy reading !! > >http://www.ccianet.org/papers/cyberinsecurity.pdf Yes, but unfortunately this paper cost Dan Geer his job. But it's old news. -dhan +------------------------------------------------------------------------+ Dan Shoop shoop@iwiring.net Consulting Internet Architect shoop@mac.com AIM: iWiring pgp key fingerprint: FAC0 9434 B5A5 24A8 D0AF 12B1 7840 3BE7 3736 DE0B iWiring designs and supports Internet systems and networks based on OS X unix(tm), and Open Source technologies. How can we help you today? Dan Shoop will be speaking at the O'Reilly & Associates Mac OS X Conference See http://conferences.oreillynet.com/macosx2003/ for details From leonvs at occam.com Thu Oct 2 17:50:04 2003 From: leonvs at occam.com (Leon Towns-von Stauber) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:20 2005 Subject: Which processes are talking to automount? Message-ID: <67C227F7-F53B-11D7-8E10-003065A76B44@occam.com> Here are two lines of output from "netstat -aA -f inet": 3783490 udp4 0 0 localhost.49155 localhost.1023 3783560 udp4 0 0 localhost.49154 localhost.1023 This is some thing or things with connections open to the automounter on port 1023. However, ports 49154 and 49155 don't show up in the output of "lsof -i", and those socket addresses aren't anywhere in the output of "fstat". Does anyone know how I might find out which processes are holding those sockets open? _____________________________________________________________ Leon Towns-von Stauber http://www.occam.com/leonvs/ "We have not come to save you, but you will not die in vain!" From mrmacman_g4 at mac.com Thu Oct 2 17:50:24 2003 From: mrmacman_g4 at mac.com (Kyle Moffett) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:20 2005 Subject: Client Macs using AFP network mounted home directories perform very slowly In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <7EEFAE19-F53B-11D7-BBF9-000393ACC76E@mac.com> On Thursday, Oct 2, 2003, at 17:16 US/Eastern, Tom Johnson wrote: > I might be able to make them available on request, but due to size and > the data in them I have to be careful who they get distributed to. > More importantly unless you have experience programming and with > ktraces, you probably won't be able to make heads or tails of them > :-). Could you try to get a ktrace of a crashed Netscape process too? There might be some helpful information about the client<->server interaction there. Cheers, Kyle Moffett From individual at mi.cl Thu Oct 2 18:51:02 2003 From: individual at mi.cl (individual) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:20 2005 Subject: using mount to mount a dir somewhere else In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thursday, Oct 2, 2003, at 18:38 America/Santiago, Dan Shoop wrote: > > You misunderstood the suggestion in the documentation. You can't mount > a directory to a mountpoint, you can only mount block special files > (disk volumes) to a mountpoint. > Also you can only mount a volume at one point, so you wouldn't be able > to mount it in each users chroot. > From the Pure-FTPd FAQ: "* Shared directories and chroot. -> I have a directory, say /var/incoming, that I want to be shared by every user. But I want my users to be chrooted. So /var/incoming should be visible in 'joe' and 'john' accounts, but those are chrooted. So, how to have the content of /var/incoming visible in these accounts? Making a symbolic link won't work, because when you are chrooted, it means that everything outside a base directory (your user's home directory) won't be reachable, even though a symbolic link. But all modern operating systems can mount local directories to several locations. To have an exact duplicate of your /var/incoming directory available in /home/john/incoming and /home/joe/incoming, use one of these commands: * Linux : mount --bind /var/incoming /home/john/incoming mount --bind /var/incoming /home/joe/incoming * Solaris : mount -F lofs /var/incoming /home/john/incoming mount -F lofs /var/incoming /home/joe/incoming * BSD : mount_null /var/incoming /home/john/incoming mount_null /var/incoming /home/joe/incoming " I'm not sure what I misunderstood. As far as I can see, they suggest it can be done. Paul From chergr at bigpond.com Thu Oct 2 19:19:04 2003 From: chergr at bigpond.com (Richard) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:20 2005 Subject: java applets over https do not work on OSX References: <200310012028.h91KS2e01673@venetian.webct.com> <3F7C4115.5A62B948@sheridanc.on.ca> Message-ID: <3F7CD5D6.DDA6D6C0@bigpond.com> I have also had reports indirectly that WebCT doesn't like Macs. My very brief look at this a while back in the Java console showed (wont swear to that as its a while ago) class loader errors. ryan.suarez@sheridanc.on.ca wrote: > Hello Admins, > > I just got a reply from WebCT (online course delivery application) > support about an know issue with Java Applets over HTTPS not working on > OSX. Is this true? Is there a workaround? > > Our mac users cannot access the chat mechanism (using java applets) > within WebCT. This is mission critical for us as our mac community > gradually transitions to online course delivery. > > Please advise. > > much appreciated, > -- > Ryan Suarez > System Administrator > Information Technology - ICT > Sheridan Institute > > support@webct.com wrote: > > > Hi Ryan, > > > > It is a known issue that Java Applets will not work on a Mac over HTTPS. To address this issue, in WebCT 4.0 and higher we have added to the option to either secure everything or passwords only. Setting to secure passwords only will allow Mac users to use any Java Applet. > > > > Regards, > > > > Ron Santos > > WebCT Support Analyst > > support@webct.com > > http://www.webct.com/support/ > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-admin mailing list > MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin From mbartosh at mac.com Thu Oct 2 19:52:01 2003 From: mbartosh at mac.com (Michael Bartosh) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:20 2005 Subject: Which processes are talking to automount? In-Reply-To: <67C227F7-F53B-11D7-8E10-003065A76B44@occam.com> References: <67C227F7-F53B-11D7-8E10-003065A76B44@occam.com> Message-ID: At 5:49 PM -0700 10/2/03, Leon Towns-von Stauber wrote: >However, ports 49154 and 49155 don't show up in the output of >"lsof -i", and those socket addresses aren't anywhere in the >output of "fstat". Does anyone know how I might find out which >processes are holding those sockets open? You know, I've seen some other stuff not show up in lsof. I don't know what's up with that. It bothers me. From magill at mcgillsociety.org Thu Oct 2 20:42:02 2003 From: magill at mcgillsociety.org (William H. Magill) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:20 2005 Subject: Which processes are talking to automount? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <80EA91C0-F553-11D7-9D7C-000393768D2C@mcgillsociety.org> On Thursday, October 2, 2003, at 10:51 PM, Michael Bartosh wrote: > At 5:49 PM -0700 10/2/03, Leon Towns-von Stauber wrote: >> However, ports 49154 and 49155 don't show up in the output of >> "lsof -i", and those socket addresses aren't anywhere in the >> output of "fstat". Does anyone know how I might find out which >> processes are holding those sockets open? > > You know, I've seen some other stuff not show up in lsof. > > I don't know what's up with that. It bothers me. It looks like an "ancient" version (4.6) The man page on 10.2.6 claims only: Apple Darwin 1.[23] and 1.4 for Power Macintosh systems The man page at vic for 4.68 claims: Apple Darwin 1.[2-5], 5.x and 6.x for Power Macintosh systems lsof --v will display the ftp info for the latest source T.T.F.N. William H. Magill # Beige G3 - Rev A motherboard - 768 Meg # Flat-panel iMac (2.1) 800MHz - Super Drive - 768 Meg # PWS433a [Alpha 21164 Rev 7.2 (EV56)- 64 Meg]- Tru64 5.1a magill@mcgillsociety.org magill@acm.org magill@mac.com From garrison at zeta.org.au Thu Oct 2 21:26:01 2003 From: garrison at zeta.org.au (Charlie Garrison) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:20 2005 Subject: creating aliases Message-ID: Good morning, On 2/10/03 at 1:49 PM -0400, Andrina Kelly wrote: >They are both mounted - as was mentioned in my original comment. And >yes, it does have a different path on the Macs as opposed to the Linux >machines in the house... So, know a nice way around this? I don't know about a 'nice' way to handle it, but this should work: Find out where the symlink is pointing to, and figure out the path to the same file/dir on OSX. Eg: symlink points to /mnt/home/user/file OSX location of file /Volumes/home/user/file Then create symlink (& parent directories as needed) at /mnt/home/user/file which points to /Volumes/home/user/file. IOW, just create an intermediate symlink to fix the broken link. I do that when testing some perl scripts (from my web server) with custom lib path to trick it into finding modules in the local fink location. Much easier to create a symlink than change all scripts, and then change them back before returning to server. Charlie -- Charlie Garrison garrison@zeta.org.au PO Box 141, Windsor, NSW 2756, Australia From osxserveradmin at joemedia.tv Thu Oct 2 21:48:02 2003 From: osxserveradmin at joemedia.tv (OSX server admin) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:20 2005 Subject: System Service not starting automatically Message-ID: First, System info: Xserve 1Ghz, 512 RAM, 2 x 60GB drives, 1 x 120GB FW 10.2.6, Samba2.2.8 (LDAP-PDC config) So, when I restart the server, it doesn't start any services anymore. No sshd, no authentication server, nothing. I have to log in locally as root, open a terminal, and invoke SystemStarter. It's a real pain as I administer this server from 300kms away! Any ideas? I've been having this problem for a few weeks, and didn't seem to trace back to any updates I've done. Is it related to the ATServer? I've had issues with that before. Thanks in advance, Alex Briton Sys Admin, Joe Media Group Calgary, AB From justin at mac.com Thu Oct 2 23:07:00 2003 From: justin at mac.com (Justin C. Walker) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:20 2005 Subject: Which processes are talking to automount? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <8B64D827-F55C-11D7-A2ED-00306544D642@mac.com> On Thursday, October 2, 2003, at 07:51 PM, Michael Bartosh wrote: > At 5:49 PM -0700 10/2/03, Leon Towns-von Stauber wrote: >> However, ports 49154 and 49155 don't show up in the output of >> "lsof -i", and those socket addresses aren't anywhere in the >> output of "fstat". Does anyone know how I might find out which >> processes are holding those sockets open? > > You know, I've seen some other stuff not show up in lsof. > > I don't know what's up with that. It bothers me. It's possible that (in this case) the other end of each of those sockets is owned by the kernel, in which case, 'lsof' would not show them. It would take a fair amount of rummaging through kernel memory to verify this. Regards, Justin -- Justin C. Walker, Curmudgeon-At-Large * Institute for General Semantics | When LuteFisk is outlawed | Only outlaws will have | LuteFisk *--------------------------------------*-------------------------------* -- /~\ The ASCII Justin C. Walker, Curmudgeon-at-Large \ / Ribbon Campaign X Help cure HTML Email / \ From chad+macosx at objectwerks.com Fri Oct 3 00:46:02 2003 From: chad+macosx at objectwerks.com (Chad Leigh -- ObjectWerks Inc.) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:20 2005 Subject: using mount to mount a dir somewhere else In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <7E148618-F575-11D7-90BC-003065A70D30@objectwerks.com> On Thursday, October 2, 2003, at 07:50 PM, individual wrote: > I'm not sure what I misunderstood. As far as I can see, they suggest > it can be done. Well, OS X doesn't seem to support this. There is no mount_null on OS X. Chad From joel at powermac.demon.co.uk Fri Oct 3 02:50:02 2003 From: joel at powermac.demon.co.uk (Joel Smith) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:20 2005 Subject: Weird ethernet problem Message-ID: I have a weird problem. I have a Tektronix Phaser 360 printer attached to my 10/100 switch (at 10Mbps). I was able to connect to it from my old Powerbook Ti (at 100Mbps). I have just upgraded to a new Powerbook 15" Al, and using the same cable, I am unable to ping the printer (I'm connected at 100Mbps). However, I am able to ping my B&W G3 (connected at 100Mbps), and it is able to ping the printer (all in the same switch). Both my laptop and the G3 show: media: autoselect (100baseTX ) status: active I can also connect to other 10Mbps devices with no problems. To add to the mystery, I can connect to the printer via an airport connection. My laptop is running 10.2.8 (as is my old laptop). Anyone got any ideas? Cheers, Joel -- Joel Smith 22 Springfield Way Pateley Bridge Tel: +44 1423 711229 Mobile: +44 7768 803758 N.Yorks HG3 5PA Fax: +44 870 1617192 From individual at mi.cl Fri Oct 3 03:55:02 2003 From: individual at mi.cl (individual) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:20 2005 Subject: using mount to mount a dir somewhere else In-Reply-To: <7E148618-F575-11D7-90BC-003065A70D30@objectwerks.com> Message-ID: <0A0033B0-F590-11D7-8132-003065DCDA98@mi.cl> On Friday, Oct 3, 2003, at 03:45 America/Santiago, Chad Leigh -- ObjectWerks Inc. wrote: > > On Thursday, October 2, 2003, at 07:50 PM, individual wrote: > >> I'm not sure what I misunderstood. As far as I can see, they suggest >> it can be done. > > Well, OS X doesn't seem to support this. There is no mount_null on OS > X. > Boo. Oh well. In the end I just recompiled Pure-FTPd with the --with-virtualchroot option, so it now follows symlinks. Paul From hayne at sympatico.ca Fri Oct 3 05:54:01 2003 From: hayne at sympatico.ca (Cameron Hayne) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:20 2005 Subject: Which processes are talking to automount? In-Reply-To: <8B64D827-F55C-11D7-A2ED-00306544D642@mac.com> Message-ID: On 10/3/03 12:46 AM, "Justin C. Walker" wrote: >> At 5:49 PM -0700 10/2/03, Leon Towns-von Stauber wrote: >>> However, ports 49154 and 49155 don't show up in the output of >>> "lsof -i", and those socket addresses aren't anywhere in the >>> output of "fstat". Does anyone know how I might find out which >>> processes are holding those sockets open? >> >> You know, I've seen some other stuff not show up in lsof. >> >> I don't know what's up with that. It bothers me. > > It's possible that (in this case) the other end of each of those > sockets is owned by the kernel, in which case, 'lsof' would not show > them. It would take a fair amount of rummaging through kernel memory > to verify this. Here's what the lsof FAQ (ftp://vic.cc.purdue.edu/pub/tools/unix/lsof/FAQ) says about this: Why can't lsof find accesses to some TCP and UDP ports? Lsof stands for LiSt Open Files. If there is no open file connected to a TCP or UDP port, lsof won't find it. That's the most common reason why lsof doesn't find a port netstat might report open. One reason I've found on some UNIX dialects is that their kernels set aside TCP and UDP ports for communicating with support activities, running in application layer servers -- the automounter daemons, and the NFS biod and nfsd daemons are examples. Netstat may report the ports are in use, but lsof doesn't. -- Cameron Hayne (hayne@sympatico.ca) Hayne of Tintagel From clarkcox3 at mac.com Fri Oct 3 06:18:03 2003 From: clarkcox3 at mac.com (Clark Cox) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:20 2005 Subject: Weird ethernet problem In-Reply-To: Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Friday, Oct 3, 2003, at 05:49 US/Eastern, Joel Smith wrote: > I have a weird problem. I have a Tektronix Phaser 360 printer attached > to my 10/100 switch (at 10Mbps). I was able to connect to it from my > old Powerbook Ti (at 100Mbps). I have just upgraded to a new Powerbook > 15" Al, and using the same cable, I am unable to ping the printer (I'm > connected at 100Mbps). > > However, I am able to ping my B&W G3 (connected at 100Mbps), and it is > able to ping the printer (all in the same switch). > > Both my laptop and the G3 show: > > media: autoselect (100baseTX ) status: active > > I can also connect to other 10Mbps devices with no problems. > > To add to the mystery, I can connect to the printer via an airport > connection. > > My laptop is running 10.2.8 (as is my old laptop). > > Anyone got any ideas? Many people have reported ethernet problems after upgrading to 10.2.8 (Apple even pulled the update). Check out http://discussions.info.apple.com/ WebX?14@243.dj9gamVHgCC.1540101@.5999d9d9/10 . You basically have two options: Re-install 10.2.6, or, as some people have done, replace /System/Library/Extensions/AppleGMACEthernet.kext with a copy from someone's 10.2.6 installation. - -- Clark S. Cox III clarkcox3@mac.com http://homepage.mac.com/clarkcox3/blog/B1196589870/index.html -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAj99dvcACgkQZ+zIIbXiIoMetwCdGpYkP/0sGXqak6hDk0sNrqfi BusAn15ngO6cQkB4RUvxbAaAWCfiRRcU =Dj09 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From jlaffin at eng.uiowa.edu Fri Oct 3 06:20:12 2003 From: jlaffin at eng.uiowa.edu (Jason Laffin) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:20 2005 Subject: Weird ethernet problem In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <492C1031-F5A4-11D7-9442-00039340E6B2@eng.uiowa.edu> This isn't an answer, but another strange ethernet problem. I have four machines plugged into two different Linksys hubs. One of these hubs is plugged into a Linksys router that is running a DHCP server. I have a iBook dual USB(OS X 10.2.8) plugged into the hub, and I tried to plug my G4 Cube(also running 10.2.8) into the hub, it would not get an IP address(self-assigns 169.x.x.x). The iBook gets an IP, and everything is fine. When the cube is plugged into the router, it gets an IP and everything is happy. The other hub is plugged directly into an University's network jack. Three days ago, both machines, two 17" iMacs(one the original 17", the other with the new motherboard), worked normally. Yesterday, the first rev. 17" iMac stopped getting an IP(self-assign 169.x.x.x), but the other still got an IP. Both of these machines are running 10.2.6. When the troubled machine is plugged directly into the wall, everything is fine. Is there something goofy about Linksys hubs, or am I missing something? Thanks, Jason On Friday, October 3, 2003, at 04:49 AM, Joel Smith wrote: > I have a weird problem. I have a Tektronix Phaser 360 printer attached > to my 10/100 switch (at 10Mbps). I was able to connect to it from my > old Powerbook Ti (at 100Mbps). I have just upgraded to a new Powerbook > 15" Al, and using the same cable, I am unable to ping the printer (I'm > connected at 100Mbps). > > However, I am able to ping my B&W G3 (connected at 100Mbps), and it is > able to ping the printer (all in the same switch). > > Both my laptop and the G3 show: > > media: autoselect (100baseTX ) status: active > > I can also connect to other 10Mbps devices with no problems. > > To add to the mystery, I can connect to the printer via an airport > connection. > > My laptop is running 10.2.8 (as is my old laptop). > > Anyone got any ideas? > > Cheers, > > Joel > -- > > Joel Smith > 22 Springfield Way > Pateley Bridge Tel: +44 1423 711229 Mobile: +44 7768 803758 > N.Yorks HG3 5PA Fax: +44 870 1617192 > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-admin mailing list > MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin > > -- Jason Laffin IT Consultant Center for BioInformatics and Computational Biology Co-ordinated Labs for Computational Genomics The University of Iowa 4016 Seamans Center Iowa City, IA 52242 phone: (319) 335-5962 fax: (319) 384-0944 email: jason-laffin@uiowa.edu Commitment isn't the time you spend. It's a line you cross. - No Fear From robertcerny at mac.com Fri Oct 3 07:00:05 2003 From: robertcerny at mac.com (Robert Cerny) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:20 2005 Subject: can't connect Message-ID: hi folks, I have a XServer acting as an password server (10.2.6), and a few clients with OS X (10.2.4). All users have their accounts in NetInfo/root and on the local machines with the same user/password combination. It works reasonably well, but I still have two problems. a] when I start "Personal File sharing" on any of clients, no machine is able to connect to it. The machines becomes "visible" on the network as usual, but it's not possible to authenticate. Any ideas? b] I did set up a few workgroups on the server, and the user is presented with a dialog box with their list in time of logging in. The weird part (at least for me) is that even the user is in one workgroup only, he can select anyone.... Thanks Robert From trang at condor.circa.ufl.edu Fri Oct 3 07:39:01 2003 From: trang at condor.circa.ufl.edu (Trang Le) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:20 2005 Subject: Linux and OS X Message-ID: <3F7D8A00.5020603@condor.circa.ufl.edu> I was able to login to my account on Linux box through Terminal command line last week. Today it gives me the message that the authentication of host can't be establish. I don't remember if I did anything differently from the last time. I use ssh -l account server. I have OS X 10.2.6 on my mac. Trang Le From bauwolf at indigo.ie Fri Oct 3 07:48:01 2003 From: bauwolf at indigo.ie (Mark Twomey) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:20 2005 Subject: Linux and OS X In-Reply-To: <3F7D8A00.5020603@condor.circa.ufl.edu> References: <3F7D8A00.5020603@condor.circa.ufl.edu> Message-ID: <3F7D8C06.7010809@indigo.ie> Trang Le wrote: > I was able to login to my account on Linux box through Terminal command > line last week. Today it gives me the message that the authentication > of host can't be establish. I don't remember if I did anything > differently from the last time. I use ssh -l account server. > > I have OS X 10.2.6 on my mac. What's the output when you use ssh with the -v (Verbosity) option? It should show you exactly how the Linux server's sshd is responding to your Mac's ssh request. Mark. From leonvs at occam.com Fri Oct 3 09:08:01 2003 From: leonvs at occam.com (Leon Towns-von Stauber) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:20 2005 Subject: Which processes are talking to automount? In-Reply-To: <8B64D827-F55C-11D7-A2ED-00306544D642@mac.com> Message-ID: >>> However, ports 49154 and 49155 don't show up in the output of >>> "lsof -i", and those socket addresses aren't anywhere in the >>> output of "fstat". Does anyone know how I might find out which >>> processes are holding those sockets open? >> >> You know, I've seen some other stuff not show up in lsof. >> >> I don't know what's up with that. It bothers me. > > It's possible that (in this case) the other end of each of those > sockets is owned by the kernel, in which case, 'lsof' would not show > them. It would take a fair amount of rummaging through kernel memory > to verify this. OK, that was one suspicion I had. It makes sense, since it's presumably NFS code (in the kernel) talking to the automounter. Kind of annoying, though. It'd be nice if netstat and/or fstat, or even some kernel-specific tool, could show sockets held open by the kernel. So, it turns out that one socket is held open for each map (-fstab and -static) used by automount. I started looking at this because the behavior is a little different in Panther, but that makes sense now, too. _____________________________________________________________ Leon Towns-von Stauber http://www.occam.com/leonvs/ "We have not come to save you, but you will not die in vain!" From magill at mcgillsociety.org Fri Oct 3 09:22:01 2003 From: magill at mcgillsociety.org (William H. Magill) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:20 2005 Subject: Weird ethernet problem In-Reply-To: <492C1031-F5A4-11D7-9442-00039340E6B2@eng.uiowa.edu> Message-ID: On Friday, October 3, 2003, at 09:19 AM, Jason Laffin wrote: > This isn't an answer, but another strange ethernet problem. I have > four machines plugged into two different Linksys hubs. > One of these hubs is plugged into a Linksys router that is running a > DHCP server. I have a iBook dual USB(OS X 10.2.8) plugged into the > hub, and I tried to plug my G4 Cube(also running 10.2.8) into the hub, > it would not get an IP address(self-assigns 169.x.x.x). The iBook > gets an IP, and everything is fine. When the cube is plugged into the > router, it gets an IP and everything is happy. > The other hub is plugged directly into an University's network jack. > Three days ago, both machines, two 17" iMacs(one the original 17", the > other with the new motherboard), worked normally. Yesterday, the > first rev. 17" iMac stopped getting an IP(self-assign 169.x.x.x), but > the other still got an IP. Both of these machines are running 10.2.6. > When the troubled machine is plugged directly into the wall, > everything is fine. > Is there something goofy about Linksys hubs, or am I missing > something? 10.2.8 has serious problems with the Ethernet interface. That is the reason it was pulled. There are plenty of discussion threads at places like Macfixit or Apple talking about the different problems seen on different hardware configurations. However, no one (at least no one outside of Apple) has yet managed to actually "characterize" the actual problem, only isolate it to the Ethernet driver ktext. The only "simple" fix is to wipe and re-install 10.2.6 or put up with the problems until 10.2.9 comes out -- hopefully soon. There are instructions floating around for replacing the ktext involved for those comfortable and confidant at the command line. (I think the Macfixit article has pointers to them.) T.T.F.N. William H. Magill # Beige G3 - Rev A motherboard - 768 Meg # Flat-panel iMac (2.1) 800MHz - Super Drive - 768 Meg # PWS433a [Alpha 21164 Rev 7.2 (EV56)- 64 Meg]- Tru64 5.1a magill@mcgillsociety.org magill@acm.org magill@mac.com From magill at mcgillsociety.org Fri Oct 3 09:28:06 2003 From: magill at mcgillsociety.org (William H. Magill) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:20 2005 Subject: Linux and OS X In-Reply-To: <3F7D8A00.5020603@condor.circa.ufl.edu> Message-ID: <8A1AD2BA-F5BE-11D7-82EE-000393768D2C@mcgillsociety.org> On Friday, October 3, 2003, at 10:38 AM, Trang Le wrote: > I was able to login to my account on Linux box through Terminal > command line last week. Today it gives me the message that the > authentication of host can't be establish. I don't remember if I did > anything differently from the last time. I use ssh -l account server. What is the actual message? I'm guessing that the Linux box was rebooted and now has a new host key, and you are getting the "man in the middle" message. If that is the case, you need to delete the old key from "~/.ssh/known_hosts". That file is an ASCII text file; one line per host. Simply delete the line referring to the host you are trying to connect, save the file, and re-connect. (If you only use ssh to one host, simply erase the file. It will be re-created when you execute ssh again.) At that point you will get the message that the host is not in your known hosts file. T.T.F.N. William H. Magill # Beige G3 - Rev A motherboard - 768 Meg # Flat-panel iMac (2.1) 800MHz - Super Drive - 768 Meg # PWS433a [Alpha 21164 Rev 7.2 (EV56)- 64 Meg]- Tru64 5.1a magill@mcgillsociety.org magill@acm.org magill@mac.com From andrina at corefa.com Fri Oct 3 12:00:16 2003 From: andrina at corefa.com (Andrina Kelly) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:20 2005 Subject: creating aliases In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <7A7D10E2-F5D3-11D7-B7F6-000393D39CBA@corefa.com> I've been experimenting with Milo's helpful instructions below, and seem to have come across something quite odd... While clicking on the Linux created link now on the NFS drive I don't get an error any more, but, it still doesn't redirect me to the correct directory - however, when I select show original on the linux created link it does take me (sort of) to the correct original... - it places me one directory above the actual link.... ideas on this one? Cheers, Andrina On Thursday, October 2, 2003, at 02:18 PM, Milo Velimirovic wrote: > Create a path on Mac OS X that mimics the path used on the boxes that > host the NFS mount. > e.g. > > ln -s /Network/Servers/irixhost/exports /Net/irixhost/exports > > of course it helps to have created /net or /Net/irixhost ahead of time. > > I've done this on our few remaining NEXTSTEP machines that need to > talk to OSX. > > Regards, > Milo > On Thursday, October 2, 2003, at 12:49 PM, Andrina Kelly wrote: > >> They are both mounted - as was mentioned in my original comment. And >> yes, it does have a different path on the Macs as opposed to the >> Linux machines in the house... So, know a nice way around this? >> >> Cheers, >> Andrina >> On Thursday, October 2, 2003, at 12:57 PM, Tony Schreiner wrote: >> >>> >>> On Thursday, October 2, 2003, at 12:41 PM, Andrina Kelly wrote: >>> >>>> On the same lines then, has anyone had experience with a Mac >>>> connecting to NFS servers which have links on them? The links >>>> within the same volume appear to work fine - but we have some >>>> Linux/Irix links across filers and they break as soon as they come >>>> anywhere near a Mac... The Mac sees them as an Alias, and both the >>>> NFS volumes where the link and the actual directory are held are >>>> mounted on the client Mac, however, clicking the link (or what the >>>> Mac thinks is an Alias) results in "The original item could not be >>>> found" dialogue... >>>> >>>> Any thoughts? >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Andrina >>>> >>>> >>> >>> That's because a symbolic link in Unix uses the full path name of >>> the target. >>> >>> Even if the volume with the target is also mounted (which you didn't >>> say), it surely has a different path when NFS mounted on your Mac >>> than on the server. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> MacOSX-admin mailing list >>> MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com >>> http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin >>> >>> >> ........................................................... >> >> andrina kelly email: andrina@coredp.com >> c.o.r.e. feature animation http://www.coredp.com >> >> ........................................................... >> >> ........................................................... andrina kelly email: andrina@coredp.com c.o.r.e. feature animation http://www.coredp.com ........................................................... -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/enriched Size: 2929 bytes Desc: not available Url : /mailman/archive/macosx-admin/attachments/20031003/abbcb995/attachment.bin From trang at condor.circa.ufl.edu Fri Oct 3 12:08:15 2003 From: trang at condor.circa.ufl.edu (Trang Le) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:20 2005 Subject: Linux and OS X References: <8A1AD2BA-F5BE-11D7-82EE-000393768D2C@mcgillsociety.org> Message-ID: <3F7DC881.3010903@condor.circa.ufl.edu> The problem was when it says "The authentication of host ..... can't etablished, Continue with this login (yes or no), I should type "yes" instead of "no". If I type "no", it says "Connection failed". If I type "yes", everything works OK. Strange...... Thanks, Trang Le William H. Magill wrote: > > On Friday, October 3, 2003, at 10:38 AM, Trang Le wrote: > >> I was able to login to my account on Linux box through Terminal >> command line last week. Today it gives me the message that the >> authentication of host can't be establish. I don't remember if I did >> anything differently from the last time. I use ssh -l account server. > > > What is the actual message? > > I'm guessing that the Linux box was rebooted and now has a new host > key, and you are getting the "man in the middle" message. > > If that is the case, you need to delete the old key from > "~/.ssh/known_hosts". > > That file is an ASCII text file; one line per host. Simply delete the > line referring to the host you are trying to connect, save the file, > and re-connect. > (If you only use ssh to one host, simply erase the file. It will be > re-created when you execute ssh again.) > At that point you will get the message that the host is not in your > known hosts file. > > T.T.F.N. > William H. Magill > # Beige G3 - Rev A motherboard - 768 Meg > # Flat-panel iMac (2.1) 800MHz - Super Drive - 768 Meg > # PWS433a [Alpha 21164 Rev 7.2 (EV56)- 64 Meg]- Tru64 5.1a > magill@mcgillsociety.org > magill@acm.org > magill@mac.com > > From jonas at zeus.ugent.be Fri Oct 3 12:19:09 2003 From: jonas at zeus.ugent.be (Jonas Maebe) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:20 2005 Subject: Linux and OS X In-Reply-To: <3F7DC881.3010903@condor.circa.ufl.edu> Message-ID: <661954A2-F5D6-11D7-AD4C-003065D3FF28@zeus.ugent.be> On vrijdag, okt 3, 2003, at 21:05 Europe/Brussels, Trang Le wrote: > The problem was when it says "The authentication of host ..... can't > etablished, Continue with this login (yes or no), I should type "yes" > instead of "no". If I type "no", it says "Connection failed". If I > type "yes", everything works OK. Strange...... This means that the host key of the server you are trying to connect to has changed. This either means (a) the host key on the server has been regenerated for some reason (e.g., they completely reinstalled the system, or completely removed ssh and then reinstalled it) (b) (the reason why this check was implemented) another machine stole the original machine's ip-address and is running a fake ssh server to grab usernames and passwords. (a) is the most likely cause. If you are certain the server is not hacked, then you can remove this warning by removing the server's hostkey from ~/.ssh/known_hosts and accepting the new host key during the next connection. Jonas From schreian at bc.edu Fri Oct 3 12:22:01 2003 From: schreian at bc.edu (Tony Schreiner) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:20 2005 Subject: Linux and OS X In-Reply-To: <661954A2-F5D6-11D7-AD4C-003065D3FF28@zeus.ugent.be> Message-ID: A simple change of the remote host's IP address will also cause this. On Friday, October 3, 2003, at 03:18 PM, Jonas Maebe wrote: > > On vrijdag, okt 3, 2003, at 21:05 Europe/Brussels, Trang Le wrote: > >> The problem was when it says "The authentication of host ..... can't >> etablished, Continue with this login (yes or no), I should type "yes" >> instead of "no". If I type "no", it says "Connection failed". If I >> type "yes", everything works OK. Strange...... > > This means that the host key of the server you are trying to connect > to has changed. This either means > > (a) the host key on the server has been regenerated for some reason > (e.g., they completely reinstalled the system, or completely removed > ssh and then reinstalled it) > (b) (the reason why this check was implemented) another machine stole > the original machine's ip-address and is running a fake ssh server to > grab usernames and passwords. > > (a) is the most likely cause. If you are certain the server is not > hacked, then you can remove this warning by removing the server's > hostkey from ~/.ssh/known_hosts and accepting the new host key during > the next connection. > > > Jonas > > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-admin mailing list > MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin From magill at mcgillsociety.org Fri Oct 3 13:08:01 2003 From: magill at mcgillsociety.org (William H. Magill) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:20 2005 Subject: Linux and OS X In-Reply-To: <3F7DC881.3010903@condor.circa.ufl.edu> Message-ID: <2BE38A3A-F5DD-11D7-B3CC-000393768D2C@mcgillsociety.org> On Friday, October 3, 2003, at 03:05 PM, Trang Le wrote: > The problem was when it says "The authentication of host ..... can't > etablished, Continue with this login (yes or no), I should type "yes" > instead of "no". If I type "no", it says "Connection failed". If I > type "yes", everything works OK. Strange...... What you are describing is normal and correct behavior of ssh. The message looks like this one, correct? "The authenticity of host ' (xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx)' can't be established. RSA key fingerprint is 13:f8: ... Are you sure you want to continue connecting (yes/no)?" This means that the host's "fingerprint" is NOT in your "~/.ssh/known_hosts" file. If you reply "no" it responds: "Host key verification failed." If you reply "yes," you get a message of the form. "Warning: Permanently added ',xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx' (RSA) to the list of known hosts." Then your connection is completed, and likely you get the contents of /etc/issue.net or the default message from the /etc/gettytab on the remote host displayed on your screen, followed by the prompt for your password. "@'s password:" The entries in known_hosts are "explicit." that means if you use "" to access the host the first time, and then " the second, you will NOT get a match. And the above prompt will re-appear again. On subsequent logins, you will not get the message. UNLESS the entry is deleted from known_hosts, or the key on the host has changed. If the key on the host has changed, you will get the message: " @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ @ WARNING: REMOTE HOST IDENTIFICATION HAS CHANGED! @ @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ IT IS POSSIBLE THAT SOMEONE IS DOING SOMETHING NASTY! Someone could be eavesdropping on you right now (man-in-the-middle attack)! It is also possible that the RSA host key has just been changed. The fingerprint for the RSA key sent by the remote host is 13:f8: ... Please contact your system administrator. Add correct host key in /Users/magill/.ssh/known_hosts to get rid of this message. Offending key in /Users/magill/.ssh/known_hosts:1 RSA host key for has changed and you have requested strict checking. Host key verification failed." The instructions are in the message line: "Add correct host key in /Users/magill/.ssh/known_hosts to get rid of this message." The line: "Offending key in /Users/magill/.ssh/known_hosts:1" tells you which entry it was matching against. (Number one in this case.) Note: I'm not on the Mac Lab Manager mailing list, so I can't post this reply to it. Please forward it to them. > William H. Magill wrote: >> On Friday, October 3, 2003, at 10:38 AM, Trang Le wrote: >>> I was able to login to my account on Linux box through Terminal >>> command line last week. Today it gives me the message that the >>> authentication of host can't be establish. I don't remember if I >>> did anything differently from the last time. I use ssh -l account >>> server. >> >> What is the actual message? >> >> I'm guessing that the Linux box was rebooted and now has a new host >> key, and you are getting the "man in the middle" message. >> >> If that is the case, you need to delete the old key from >> "~/.ssh/known_hosts". >> >> That file is an ASCII text file; one line per host. Simply delete the >> line referring to the host you are trying to connect, save the file, >> and re-connect. >> (If you only use ssh to one host, simply erase the file. It will be >> re-created when you execute ssh again.) >> At that point you will get the message that the host is not in your >> known hosts file. T.T.F.N. William H. Magill # Beige G3 - Rev A motherboard - 768 Meg # Flat-panel iMac (2.1) 800MHz - Super Drive - 768 Meg # PWS433a [Alpha 21164 Rev 7.2 (EV56)- 64 Meg]- Tru64 5.1a magill@mcgillsociety.org magill@acm.org magill@mac.com From joel at powermac.demon.co.uk Fri Oct 3 16:16:23 2003 From: joel at powermac.demon.co.uk (Joel Smith) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:20 2005 Subject: Weird ethernet problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 9:17 am -0400 3/10/03, Clark Cox wrote: >On Friday, Oct 3, 2003, at 05:49 US/Eastern, Joel Smith wrote: > >>I have a weird problem. I have a Tektronix Phaser 360 printer >>attached to my 10/100 switch (at 10Mbps). I was able to connect to >>it from my old Powerbook Ti (at 100Mbps). I have just upgraded to a >>new Powerbook 15" Al, and using the same cable, I am unable to ping >>the printer (I'm connected at 100Mbps). >> >>However, I am able to ping my B&W G3 (connected at 100Mbps), and it >>is able to ping the printer (all in the same switch). >> >>Both my laptop and the G3 show: >> >>media: autoselect (100baseTX ) status: active >> >>I can also connect to other 10Mbps devices with no problems. >> >>To add to the mystery, I can connect to the printer via an airport >>connection. >> >>My laptop is running 10.2.8 (as is my old laptop). >> >>Anyone got any ideas? > > Many people have reported ethernet problems after upgrading >to 10.2.8 (Apple even pulled the update). Check out >http://discussions.info.apple.com/WebX?14@243.dj9gamVHgCC.1540101@.5999d9d9/10 >. You basically have two options: Re-install 10.2.6, or, as some >people have done, replace >/System/Library/Extensions/AppleGMACEthernet.kext with a copy from >someone's 10.2.6 installation. Don't think it is this - I can connect to other 10BaseT devices OK, and Apple were talking about this being to do with connecting the PB to a 10BaseT port. On top of that, the problem is still there after the update to the newly released 10.2.8 (now out). Cheers, Joel -- Joel Smith 22 Springfield Way Pateley Bridge Tel: +44 1423 711229 Mobile: +44 7768 803758 N.Yorks HG3 5PA Fax: +44 870 1617192 From airdrummer at wheel.org Fri Oct 3 16:42:23 2003 From: airdrummer at wheel.org (tom wible) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:21 2005 Subject: why has automount started to show up on my desktop? In-Reply-To: <80EA91C0-F553-11D7-9D7C-000393768D2C@mcgillsociety.org> References: <80EA91C0-F553-11D7-9D7C-000393768D2C@mcgillsociety.org> Message-ID: <3F7E0936.5080108@wheel.org> dunno if it was due to 10.2.8 or xcdroast (which i ran after 1.28 to see if my old sony spressa would work...it didn't)-: but next time i logged in, the automount icon showed up...xcdroast wanted to bounce automountd, could it h From kremels at kreme.com Fri Oct 3 17:11:01 2003 From: kremels at kreme.com (LuKreme) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:21 2005 Subject: Weird ethernet problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <346B15FA-F5FF-11D7-9C99-003065AB9B0E@kreme.com> On Oct 3, 2003, at 10:21 AM, William H. Magill wrote: > The only "simple" fix is to wipe and re-install 10.2.6 or put up with > the problems until 10.2.9 comes out -- 10.2.9? I don't think so.... -- Sarah, age 18, says "man, once you go crayola you can't go back." From fabienlroy at mac.com Fri Oct 3 19:44:01 2003 From: fabienlroy at mac.com (Fabien Roy) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:21 2005 Subject: Weird ethernet problem In-Reply-To: <346B15FA-F5FF-11D7-9C99-003065AB9B0E@kreme.com> Message-ID: <76EF8810-F614-11D7-B363-000393658196@mac.com> The fixed 10.2.8 is out. The build number has not changed (6R73). Fabien On Friday, Oct 3, 2003, at 17:10 America/Los_Angeles, LuKreme wrote: > On Oct 3, 2003, at 10:21 AM, William H. Magill wrote: >> The only "simple" fix is to wipe and re-install 10.2.6 or put up with >> the problems until 10.2.9 comes out -- > > 10.2.9? > > I don't think so.... > > -- > Sarah, age 18, says "man, once you go crayola you can't go back." > > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-admin mailing list > MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin > From dave.xadmin at alfordmedia.com Fri Oct 3 19:55:02 2003 From: dave.xadmin at alfordmedia.com (Dave Pooser) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:21 2005 Subject: Weird ethernet problem In-Reply-To: <76EF8810-F614-11D7-B363-000393658196@mac.com> Message-ID: > The fixed 10.2.8 is out. The build number has not changed (6R73). It's changed from the last release, which was 6R65.... -- Dave Pooser Manager of Information Services Alford Media http://www.alfordmedia.com From fabienlroy at mac.com Fri Oct 3 20:02:01 2003 From: fabienlroy at mac.com (Fabien Roy) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:21 2005 Subject: Weird ethernet problem In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <0694EFCC-F617-11D7-B363-000393658196@mac.com> Not on my machine. I am currently running the bad version 10.2.8 6R73 and the message from the updater says: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Picture 2.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 6105 bytes Desc: not available Url : /mailman/archive/macosx-admin/attachments/20031003/d26bdf00/Picture2.jpg -------------- next part -------------- Fabien On Friday, Oct 3, 2003, at 19:54 America/Los_Angeles, Dave Pooser wrote: >> The fixed 10.2.8 is out. The build number has not changed (6R73). > > It's changed from the last release, which was 6R65.... > -- > Dave Pooser > Manager of Information Services > Alford Media http://www.alfordmedia.com > > From fabienlroy at mac.com Fri Oct 3 20:04:01 2003 From: fabienlroy at mac.com (Fabien Roy) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:21 2005 Subject: Weird ethernet problem In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <498E09DC-F617-11D7-B363-000393658196@mac.com> I should have said the the build number has not changed from the bad 10.2.8 which had the ethernet problems... Fabien On Friday, Oct 3, 2003, at 19:54 America/Los_Angeles, Dave Pooser wrote: >> The fixed 10.2.8 is out. The build number has not changed (6R73). > > It's changed from the last release, which was 6R65.... > -- > Dave Pooser > Manager of Information Services > Alford Media http://www.alfordmedia.com > > > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-admin mailing list > MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin > From dave.xadmin at alfordmedia.com Fri Oct 3 20:13:07 2003 From: dave.xadmin at alfordmedia.com (Dave Pooser) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:21 2005 Subject: Weird ethernet problem In-Reply-To: <498E09DC-F617-11D7-B363-000393658196@mac.com> Message-ID: > I should have said the the build number has not changed from the bad > 10.2.8 which had the ethernet problems... Hmmm... I used the combo updater, not the incremental updater, on my Dual 800MHz G4 (Quicksilver) and it updated to 6R65. I have not yet applied the new updater. -- Dave Pooser Manager of Information Services Alford Media http://www.alfordmedia.com From fabienlroy at mac.com Fri Oct 3 21:07:01 2003 From: fabienlroy at mac.com (Fabien Roy) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:21 2005 Subject: Weird ethernet problem In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <12C5D18F-F620-11D7-B363-000393658196@mac.com> Could be that I did an "About this mac" while I was running the updater so the kernel information was already changed. Strange I though that the info would com from the running kernel, not a file. Fabien On Friday, Oct 3, 2003, at 20:12 America/Los_Angeles, Dave Pooser wrote: > >> I should have said the the build number has not changed from the bad >> 10.2.8 which had the ethernet problems... > > Hmmm... I used the combo updater, not the incremental updater, on my > Dual > 800MHz G4 (Quicksilver) and it updated to 6R65. I have not yet applied > the > new updater. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/enriched Size: 641 bytes Desc: not available Url : /mailman/archive/macosx-admin/attachments/20031003/c5c8d421/attachment.bin From airdrummer at wheel.org Sat Oct 4 05:00:01 2003 From: airdrummer at wheel.org (tom wible) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:21 2005 Subject: why has automount started to show up on my desktop? In-Reply-To: <3F7E0936.5080108@wheel.org> References: <80EA91C0-F553-11D7-9D7C-000393768D2C@mcgillsociety.org> <3F7E0936.5080108@wheel.org> Message-ID: <3F7EB633.2090407@wheel.org> since i installed the 10.2.8 update^2, the automount icon's gone:-) and my battery's back to ~4hrs:-) From conrad at yoders.org Sat Oct 4 06:52:04 2003 From: conrad at yoders.org (Conrad G T Yoder) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:21 2005 Subject: update_prebinding crash Message-ID: I just ran the new 10.2.8 update on my 500MHz TiBook. update_prebinding crashed during the install, so I restarted, and then ran update_prebinding once logged in again ("sudo update_prebinding -root /"), but it still crashes. Here are the last few lines of output before it crashes: 2003-10-04 09:10:35.630 update_prebinding[483] Build dependency graph (0/1 complete) 2003-10-04 09:10:35.632 update_prebinding[483] Build dependency graph (0/3088 complete) *** Empty header at 0x335000 Bus error And then here is the crashlog. Any suggestions as to the next step or what "Empty header" means? -Conrad Date/Time: 2003-10-04 09:10:36 -0400 OS Version: 10.2.8 (Build 6R73) Host: PortableGenerator.local. Command: update_prebinding PID: 483 Exception: EXC_BAD_ACCESS (0x0001) Codes: KERN_PROTECTION_FAILURE (0x0002) at 0x00000018 Thread 0 Crashed: #0 0x0000a398 in 0xa398 #1 0x00005400 in 0x5400 #2 0x000054d8 in 0x54d8 #3 0x00003ad0 in 0x3ad0 #4 0x00007320 in 0x7320 #5 0x0000738c in 0x738c #6 0x000074ac in 0x74ac #7 0x000074ac in 0x74ac #8 0x000090c8 in 0x90c8 #9 0x0000af40 in 0xaf40 #10 0x00005fb8 in 0x5fb8 #11 0x00003718 in 0x3718 #12 0x00003598 in 0x3598 PPC Thread State: srr0: 0x0000a398 srr1: 0x0000f030 vrsave: 0x00000000 xer: 0x00000000 lr: 0x0000a38c ctr: 0x90003840 mq: 0x00000000 r0: 0x3f5122c6 r1: 0xbffff620 r2: 0x00000000 r3: 0x00000004 r4: 0x00000000 r5: 0x0000001d r6: 0x0000000a r7: 0x456d7074 r8: 0x79206865 r9: 0x00000000 r10: 0xbfffebe6 r11: 0xa00043ac r12: 0x90003840 r13: 0x0000f2d4 r14: 0x0000f2c8 r15: 0x0000f110 r16: 0x0000f144 r17: 0x0000f118 r18: 0x006f4740 r19: 0x00010000 r20: 0x0000f18c r21: 0x0000f13c r22: 0x00010000 r23: 0x0000f124 r24: 0x00584480 r25: 0x0000f114 r26: 0x906c3a60 r27: 0x000a7230 r28: 0x00000000 r29: 0x006f48e0 r30: 0x00000004 r31: 0x00000000 From lists at colorremedies.com Sat Oct 4 10:11:02 2003 From: lists at colorremedies.com (Chris Murphy) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:21 2005 Subject: OS X weirdness Message-ID: Got a colleague with a desktop G4, 10.2.6 and he was working with Screen Record, which captures on-screen movements and turns them into a movie. It was recording, and he was not aware of it. He double clicked on the Quicktime movie (which was still being recorded) into Quicktime Player, which gave an error message of some kind. He assumed it had created a corrupt file. So he dragged it to the trash (Screen Record kept trying to record). This goes on until it fills up the drive, and he became aware of this when he got a message from some other application when trying to save a file that the disk was full. He then saw the quicktime file in the trash was quite large, maybe 30G and then emptied the trash. From that point on, he's had all kinds of very strange system behavior. Safari, Word, iTunes, and Mail quit unexpectedly immediately on launch. IE runs fine. So I had him run Norton and fsck from single user mode and repair disk permissions. fsck found no problems, Norton found some and said it fixed them. Permissions found problems and fixed them. Mail will now launch, but the other applications will not. There is only a single message that is recorded in Console, but only ONCE per application (the first time it is launched and it quits, subsequent attempts cause no messages to be recorded in Console and no crash logs are recorded either): Oct 4 10:51:05 Unknown11 /usr/libexec/crashreporterd: crashdump terminated by signal 11 He installed OS X on a separate volume and booted from it. And from that drive he tries to launch these same applications from the original drive and still has problems. So it's not a user specific problem, and it doesn't seem to be an operating system problem, but rather an application problem. So we decided to reboot off the original drive, and use IE to download a new copy of Safari - dumping everything of the old installation - and seeing if that would fix at least Safari. Now IE quits unexpectedly immediately after launch, and it too generates the above error message only. I've told him to back up urgently in case this drive is about to go belly up. But since all the problems started when the drive filled up, I'm thinking that's what started it. Other users have reported problems when OS X runs out of drive space, but not quite like this. So the question is: 1. What does the above console message mean? Sounds like the application crash is bad enough or weird enough that crashreporterd itself is crashing or unable to generate a log. 2. How to fix this? Seems pretty absurd that OS X would trash the drive in this manner just because the drive was filled up. But if that's possible, then perhaps all that's needed is to wipe the drive, reinstall, and reinstall the applications as well. If it's not possible, then I think the drive needs to be swapped out under warranty. Opinions? Chris Murphy Color Remedies (TM) www.colorremedies.com/realworldcolor --------------------------------------------------------- Co-author "Real World Color Management" Published by PeachPit Press (ISBN 0-201-77340-6) From ocs at ocs.cz Sat Oct 4 11:24:01 2003 From: ocs at ocs.cz (Ondra Cada) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:21 2005 Subject: OS X weirdness In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Saturday, Oct 4, 2003, at 19:10 Europe/Prague, Chris Murphy wrote: > From that point on, he's had all kinds of very strange system > behavior.... Looks like a result of the well-known Apple trick: when disk is full, preference files get corrupt. Tell him to try to (back up and) remove all prefs: there's a good probability it would help. --- Ondra ?ada OCSoftware: ocs@ocs.cz http://www.ocs.cz private ondra@ocs.cz http://www.ocs.cz/oc From lists at colorremedies.com Sat Oct 4 11:56:22 2003 From: lists at colorremedies.com (Chris Murphy) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:21 2005 Subject: OS X weirdness In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <602A10FC-F69C-11D7-8477-000393A71184@colorremedies.com> On Saturday, October 4, 2003, at 12:23 PM, Ondra Cada wrote: > > On Saturday, Oct 4, 2003, at 19:10 Europe/Prague, Chris Murphy wrote: > >> From that point on, he's had all kinds of very strange system >> behavior.... > > Looks like a result of the well-known Apple trick: when disk is full, > preference files get corrupt. Tell him to try to (back up and) remove > all prefs: there's a good probability it would help. OK, but what preferences? User preferences? Because we created a new user and the problem remains. Plus, the problem remains when using an alternate OS X volume with a fresh copy of OS X on it, and launching the original applications. It's like applications got borked - which seems like it would be impossible, yet here we are... Chris Murphy Color Remedies (TM) www.colorremedies.com/realworldcolor --------------------------------------------------------- Co-author "Real World Color Management" Published by PeachPit Press (ISBN 0-201-77340-6) From jfieber at slis.indiana.edu Sat Oct 4 12:12:01 2003 From: jfieber at slis.indiana.edu (John Fieber) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:21 2005 Subject: OS X weirdness In-Reply-To: <602A10FC-F69C-11D7-8477-000393A71184@colorremedies.com> Message-ID: <8D98A354-F69E-11D7-97D9-00039349B214@slis.indiana.edu> On Saturday, October 4, 2003, at 01:55 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: >> Looks like a result of the well-known Apple trick: when disk is full, >> preference files get corrupt. Tell him to try to (back up and) remove >> all prefs: there's a good probability it would help. > > OK, but what preferences? User preferences? I'd start with /Library/Preferences/.GlobalPreferences.plist The few times I've had absolutely maddening bizarre system behavior with applications crashing on launch, it has turned out to be either that one, or the ~/Library version of it. Since you say it does it with all users, I'd suspect the /Library version. Move it aside and if that solves the problem, carefully inspect it. > Because we created a new user and the problem remains. Plus, the > problem remains when using an alternate OS X volume with a fresh copy > of OS X on it, and launching the original applications. It's like > applications got borked - which seems like it would be impossible, yet > here we are... And you used a fresh new user on a fresh new install? Yes, that would seem to exclude the above preferences files. In any case, OSX is fairly immature relative to some of the more industrially seasoned operating systems, and behavior in certain pathological situations such as full disks may not be something that is routinely tested by Quality Assurance. -john From lists at colorremedies.com Sat Oct 4 15:58:03 2003 From: lists at colorremedies.com (Chris Murphy) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:21 2005 Subject: OS X weirdness In-Reply-To: <8D98A354-F69E-11D7-97D9-00039349B214@slis.indiana.edu> Message-ID: <2C155C36-F6BE-11D7-8477-000393A71184@colorremedies.com> On Saturday, October 4, 2003, at 01:11 PM, John Fieber wrote: > And you used a fresh new user on a fresh new install? Yes, that would > seem to exclude the above preferences files. Yes. > In any case, OSX is fairly immature relative to some of the more > industrially seasoned operating systems, and behavior in certain > pathological situations such as full disks may not be something that > is routinely tested by Quality Assurance. Well considering the propensity for users to wait until the last possible minute before realizing their disk is full, I'd actually expect it to be a common enough occurrence they should test for it specifically. On Saturday, October 4, 2003, at 02:53 PM, Chad Leigh -- ObjectWerks Inc. wrote: > Do the apps have any global prefs? It's even more bizarre than this. Reboot from another volume, and that volume's copy of Safari will launch. The original drive's copy of Safari will not, nor will a freshly downloaded and installed copy. So something on the original drive is screwed up beyond the ability of fsck, disk permissions repair, Norton, and Disk Warrior to repair is what it sounds like to me... Not sure what that could be, but now there's no time to screw around to figure it out. It's on the bench getting backed up and after that will be repartitioned (1 volume), initialized, and then clean installed. We did yank the drive and stuck it into another machine in a location 30 miles away to eliminate any other hardware or local effects that might be responsible and the problems were reproducible. Chris Murphy Color Remedies (TM) www.colorremedies.com/realworldcolor --------------------------------------------------------- Co-author "Real World Color Management" Published by PeachPit Press (ISBN 0-201-77340-6) From hayne at sympatico.ca Sat Oct 4 16:52:02 2003 From: hayne at sympatico.ca (Cameron Hayne) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:21 2005 Subject: OS X weirdness In-Reply-To: <2C155C36-F6BE-11D7-8477-000393A71184@colorremedies.com> Message-ID: On 4/10/03 6:57 PM, "Chris Murphy" wrote: > The original drive's copy of > Safari will not, nor will a freshly downloaded and installed copy. So > something on the original drive is screwed up beyond the ability of > fsck, disk permissions repair, Norton, and Disk Warrior to repair is > what it sounds like to me... Not sure what that could be It sounds like it might be something in the frameworks (shared libraries) that got damaged somehow. Too late now, as you say that the disk has been reformatted, but I think you could have diagnosed the precise problem by using 'fs_usage' to see what files are getting accessed when the trouble occurs. -- Cameron Hayne (hayne@sympatico.ca) Hayne of Tintagel From lists at colorremedies.com Sat Oct 4 19:15:01 2003 From: lists at colorremedies.com (Chris Murphy) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:21 2005 Subject: OS X weirdness In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Saturday, October 4, 2003, at 05:48 PM, Cameron Hayne wrote: > On 4/10/03 6:57 PM, "Chris Murphy" wrote: > >> The original drive's copy of >> Safari will not, nor will a freshly downloaded and installed copy. So >> something on the original drive is screwed up beyond the ability of >> fsck, disk permissions repair, Norton, and Disk Warrior to repair is >> what it sounds like to me... Not sure what that could be > > It sounds like it might be something in the frameworks (shared > libraries) > that got damaged somehow. Yeah, but one app, Safari, was replaced with a new copy and it would crash on launch as well. And when rebooted from another partition, the original nor the new copy of Safari would launch. So I'm unclear on what framework would be damaged. > Too late now, as you say that the disk has been reformatted, but I > think you > could have diagnosed the precise problem by using 'fs_usage' to see > what > files are getting accessed when the trouble occurs. It's been backing up so it's still available. fs_usage fills a terminal window with so much stuff when Safari is launched that it can't contain it. So I dumped its output to a text file, which in only 15 seconds of sampling managed to get to 2.5MB in size. I do not know how to interpret the results, which contain thousands of entries. Let me know if you'd like a copy. Chris Murphy Color Remedies (TM) www.colorremedies.com/realworldcolor --------------------------------------------------------- Co-author "Real World Color Management" Published by PeachPit Press (ISBN 0-201-77340-6) From lists at colorremedies.com Sat Oct 4 21:20:02 2003 From: lists at colorremedies.com (Chris Murphy) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:21 2005 Subject: OS X weirdness In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1B7BCB40-F6EB-11D7-8477-000393A71184@colorremedies.com> On Saturday, October 4, 2003, at 05:48 PM, Cameron Hayne wrote: > Too late now, as you say that the disk has been reformatted, but I > think you > could have diagnosed the precise problem by using 'fs_usage' to see > what > files are getting accessed when the trouble occurs. Ha! This worked! So buried in a 2.5MB text file, the last entries before the entries for crashreporter and crashdump are in the Quicktime framework. Removed the QuicktimeSU receipt, and reinstalled QuickTime 6.3 and so far all affected applications are now launching without problems. What's odd is that booting off an alternate volume, and launching the original apps still caused failure. I'm wondering if maybe this has something to do with prebinding? Would Safari have a dependency on Quicktime located on the volume it was originally prebound on? Anyway - it's all working now. Chris Murphy Color Remedies (TM) www.colorremedies.com/realworldcolor --------------------------------------------------------- Co-author "Real World Color Management" Published by PeachPit Press (ISBN 0-201-77340-6) From magill at mcgillsociety.org Sun Oct 5 12:06:07 2003 From: magill at mcgillsociety.org (William H. Magill) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:21 2005 Subject: OS X weirdness In-Reply-To: <1B7BCB40-F6EB-11D7-8477-000393A71184@colorremedies.com> Message-ID: On Sunday, October 5, 2003, at 12:19 AM, Chris Murphy wrote: > What's odd is that booting off an alternate volume, and launching the > original apps still caused failure. I'm wondering if maybe this has > something to do with prebinding? Would Safari have a dependency on > Quicktime located on the volume it was originally prebound on? > > Anyway - it's all working now. > > Chris Murphy > Color Remedies (TM) > www.colorremedies.com/realworldcolor > --------------------------------------------------------- > Co-author "Real World Color Management" > Published by PeachPit Press (ISBN 0-201-77340-6) > > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-admin mailing list > MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin > T.T.F.N. William H. Magill magill@mcgillsociety.org magill@acm.org magill@mac.com From PERBIX at lmsd.org Mon Oct 6 09:36:01 2003 From: PERBIX at lmsd.org (Perbix, Michael) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:21 2005 Subject: Proxy settings sticking Message-ID: <7079B5F1260FD041A2BBA6D180A0A0613E4ECB@msadmin.lmsd.org> I have a situation where a user is taking OSX 10.2.6 with IE 5.2.3 and The System prefs are set up correctly where the proxy is defined for one location, and not for another. When switching locations, IE is not honoring the proxy setting, so you go into IE and manually set the Proxy....then it does not change when you change locations (thinking the proxy settings are somehow linked to the location like in OS9)... Anyone know how to make the proxy settings in IE match those in the System preferences based on the location? I remember seeing this being an issue, but can not longer find the article, and searching Apple support did not find anything matching this... Thank you -Mike _________________________________________ Michael Perbix Lower Merion School District Telecommunications Specialist (610) 645-1964 phone (610) 896-2019 fax -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /mailman/archive/macosx-admin/attachments/20031006/70cfdc3f/attachment.html From janos.lobb at yale.edu Mon Oct 6 10:13:03 2003 From: janos.lobb at yale.edu (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?J=E1nos_L=F6bb?=) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:21 2005 Subject: afpovertcp blocks ica communication Message-ID: <5AFDDCD8-F820-11D7-9976-000A27DD8970@janos.mail.yale.edu> Hi, My sub-net is part of a fairly large network with a few thousand machines. Sometimes network communication slows down dramatically for a few seconds on my sub-net, looks like something is consuming all the bandwidth. I tried tcpdump and found that at times the network slows machines looking out with the following pattern: 16:59:06.588984 path_246.mydomain.49192 > citrix-a1.mydomain.ica: . ack 1509 win 65535 (DF) 16:59:07.110220 citrix-a1.mydomain.ica > path_246.mydomain.49192: P 1509:1514(5) ack 1309 win 7452 (DF) 16:59:07.189174 path_246.mydomain.49192 > citrix-a1.mydomain.ica: . ack 1514 win 65535 (DF) 16:59:17.815269 path_246.mydomain.49411 > path_242.mydomain.afpovertcp: P 1:17(16) ack 16 win 33304 (DF) 16:59:18.013611 path_242.mydomain.afpovertcp > path_246.mydomain.49411: . ack 17 win 32768 (DF) 16:59:20.445199 citrix-a1.mydomain.ica > path_246.mydomain.49192: P 1514:1542(28) ack 1309 win 7452 (DF) There is tons of entries in tcpdump IN A SECOND before 16:59:06 and similarly after 16:59:20. My machine is path_246 and it has iTunes set up for sharing. Same is true for the path_242 machine regarding itunes. I am wondering if iTunes is such a big pig to grab and halt communication for 10 seconds and more ? I that is not the case does anyone see why the two machines are locked into each other for such a long period of time ? Thanks ahead, J?nos P.S. The side effect of this halt is that the earlier initiated ica Citrix session is blocked during the time and the user sense an unusually long connect time for the Citrix session. ---------------------------------------------- Trying to argue with a politician is like lifting up the head of a corpse. (S. Lem: His Master Voice) From magill at mcgillsociety.org Mon Oct 6 10:53:08 2003 From: magill at mcgillsociety.org (William H. Magill) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:21 2005 Subject: OS X weirdness In-Reply-To: <1B7BCB40-F6EB-11D7-8477-000393A71184@colorremedies.com> Message-ID: On Sunday, October 5, 2003, at 12:19 AM, Chris Murphy wrote: > What's odd is that booting off an alternate volume, and launching the > original apps still caused failure. I'm wondering if maybe this has > something to do with prebinding? Would Safari have a dependency on > Quicktime located on the volume it was originally prebound on? Hmmm... I seemed to have sent a null response... I'm not certain if this issue relates to prebinding or to the way in which Apple identifies which programs and helpers to launch. I have experienced the same kinds of problems with my multi-disk configuration. I have several physical disks with different versions of the OS on them, primarily for regression testing. If I forget and boot from one of them with the other volumes available at boot time, I get unpredictable (ie not as expected) results. When I disconnect the drives, boot from the alternate volume, and then connect the other drives after I've logged in, the software behaves as expected -- everything launched runs from the new volume. I've never bothered to track the "problem" down since I have FireWire drives and it is pretty trivial to disconnect and reconnect them when I want to change OS versions. T.T.F.N. William H. Magill # Beige G3 - Rev A motherboard - 768 Meg # Flat-panel iMac (2.1) 800MHz - Super Drive - 768 Meg # PWS433a [Alpha 21164 Rev 7.2 (EV56)- 64 Meg]- Tru64 5.1a magill@mcgillsociety.org magill@acm.org magill@mac.com From n9yty at n9yty.com Mon Oct 6 13:55:05 2003 From: n9yty at n9yty.com (Steven M.Palm) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:21 2005 Subject: Weird Mail.App crash (recurring).... Message-ID: <55629682-F83F-11D7-B138-000A95913626@n9yty.com> One of our local users here is getting this crash frequently, and I've looked into the crash log and it appears to be an almost identical entry every time. It happens most often when replying to a message. These crashes have been happening since July when we upgraded the user to MacOS X, and are still happening today somewhat frequently. Comparing the July logs to the October crash shows almost identical Thread 0 dumps, even the raw addresses in the dump. Here is the crashlog: ********** Date/Time: 2003-10-03 09:13:30 -0500 OS Version: 10.2.6 (Build 6L60) Host: someuser.local. Command: Mail PID: 415 Exception: EXC_BAD_ACCESS (0x0001) Codes: KERN_PROTECTION_FAILURE (0x0002) at 0x00000020 Thread 0 Crashed: #0 0x9068ba50 in objc_msgSend #1 0x930c33b4 in _responderWhichRespondsToAction #2 0x930aae98 in _NSTargetForSendAction #3 0x930ac730 in -[NSToolbarItem _validateAsCommonItem:] #4 0x93346564 in -[NSToolbarItem validateMenuItem:] #5 0x930a7458 in -[NSToolbarItem _validateMenuFormRepresentation:] #6 0x930c49b0 in -[NSToolbarItem validate] #7 0x930cc8b4 in -[NSToolbar validateVisibleItems] #8 0x931401ec in -[NSToolbarView _doDelayedValidateVisibleToolbarItems] #9 0x97e0cfa0 in __NSFireDelayedPerform #10 0x90163230 in __CFRunLoopDoTimer #11 0x90148d28 in __CFRunLoopRun #12 0x90180f58 in CFRunLoopRunSpecific #13 0x9427038c in -[MimePart(DecodingSupport) decodeTextHtml] #14 0x94241d34 in -[MimePart(DecodingSupport) contentsForTextSystem] #15 0x94241d34 in -[MimePart(DecodingSupport) contentsForTextSystem] #16 0x94241814 in -[MimePart attributedString] #17 0x9426fff4 in -[MimePart(DecodingSupport) decodeMultipart] #18 0x94241d34 in -[MimePart(DecodingSupport) contentsForTextSystem] #19 0x94241814 in -[MimePart attributedString] #20 0x94241508 in -[MimeBody attributedString] #21 0x0001df74 in 0x1df74 #22 0x0001dea4 in 0x1dea4 #23 0x0001dc74 in 0x1dc74 #24 0x0005bab4 in 0x5bab4 #25 0x931a5680 in -[NSToolbarButton sendAction:to:] #26 0x931a5620 in -[NSToolbarButton sendAction] #27 0x93153550 in -[NSToolbarItemViewer mouseDown:] #28 0x930c102c in -[NSWindow sendEvent:] #29 0x930a8e20 in -[NSApplication sendEvent:] #30 0x930b1dac in -[NSApplication run] #31 0x9315fc58 in NSApplicationMain #32 0x00004464 in 0x4464 #33 0x000042e4 in 0x42e4 Thread 1: #0 0x9003ea88 in semaphore_wait_signal_trap #1 0x9003e8a4 in _pthread_cond_wait #2 0x97e340a0 in -[NSConditionLock lockWhenCondition:] #3 0x930819a0 in -[NSUIHeartBeat _heartBeatThread:] #4 0x97e2cc50 in forkThreadForFunction #5 0x90020d28 in _pthread_body Thread 2: #0 0x9002578c in select #1 0x90161830 in __CFSocketManager #2 0x90020d28 in _pthread_body PPC Thread State: srr0: 0x9068ba50 srr1: 0x0200f030 vrsave: 0x00000000 xer: 0x00000000 lr: 0x930c33b4 ctr: 0x9068ba3c mq: 0x00000000 r0: 0x930c33b4 r1: 0xbfffd5c0 r2: 0x44044282 r3: 0x017af6c0 r4: 0x906cc394 r5: 0x00088b68 r6: 0x001c27a0 r7: 0x016b2cc0 r8: 0x00000362 r9: 0x00000000 r10: 0x901a3e10 r11: 0xa3072f3c r12: 0x00000000 r13: 0x00000000 r14: 0x00000000 r15: 0x00000001 r16: 0x00000000 r17: 0x00000000 r18: 0x00000000 r19: 0x00000000 r20: 0x001c27a0 r21: 0x00000000 r22: 0x001031a0 r23: 0x00088b68 r24: 0x00000000 r25: 0xa309ab0c r26: 0x016b2cc0 r27: 0x00088b68 r28: 0x016b0ec0 r29: 0x017bf110 r30: 0x017af6c0 r31: 0x930c332c -. ----. -.-- - -.-- Steve Palm - n9yty@n9yty.com -. ----. -.-- - -.-- From seiryu at comcast.net Mon Oct 6 14:04:02 2003 From: seiryu at comcast.net (Nick Zitzmann) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:21 2005 Subject: Weird Mail.App crash (recurring).... In-Reply-To: <55629682-F83F-11D7-B138-000A95913626@n9yty.com> Message-ID: <95946562-F840-11D7-BA19-0050E410B21A@comcast.net> On Monday, October 6, 2003, at 01:54 PM, Steven M.Palm wrote: > One of our local users here is getting this crash frequently, and I've > looked into the crash log and it appears to be an almost identical > entry every time. It happens most often when replying to a message. > These crashes have been happening since July when we upgraded the user > to MacOS X, and are still happening today somewhat frequently. > Comparing the July logs to the October crash shows almost identical > Thread 0 dumps, even the raw addresses in the dump. Have you tried throwing out the preferences and starting over with the default settings? Nick Zitzmann AIM/iChat: dragonsdontsleep Check out my software page: http://seiryu.home.comcast.net/ "I have always wished that my computer would be as easy to use as my telephone. My wish has come true. I no longer know how to use my telephone." - Bjarne Stroustrup From leclerc.fabrice at wanadoo.fr Mon Oct 6 15:15:02 2003 From: leclerc.fabrice at wanadoo.fr (Fabrice Leclerc) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:21 2005 Subject: VPC networking Message-ID: <71A8ADBA-F84A-11D7-866A-0003939E0AFE@wanadoo.fr> I have some trouble to have the network to work using VirtualPC (version 6) under Windows XP on MacOS X 10.2.6. I have selected the sharing mode where both Mac and Windows share the same IP (the one on Windows being assigned via DHCP). Does anybody have any experience in setting up the network connection in VirtualPC ? Thanks. From hayne at sympatico.ca Mon Oct 6 18:17:01 2003 From: hayne at sympatico.ca (Cameron Hayne) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:21 2005 Subject: ipfw zero Message-ID: I have been trying to use the command 'sudo ipfw zero' (with no rule number) to zero *all* the ipfw counters. But this gives an error message: "ipfw: setsockopt(IP_FW_ZERO): Invalid argument". The ipfw man page indicates that I am using the correct syntax yet it doesn't work. I have looked at the Darwin source code (10.2.6 version) and I can see where the problem is and the fix seems easy. I had a quick look on the FreeBSD mailing list archives and see no mention of this problem. I am surprised that no one has complained about this on OS X. I plan to report this to Apple but would like to get people's comments first in case I am missing something. -- Cameron Hayne (hayne@sympatico.ca) Hayne of Tintagel From hayne at sympatico.ca Mon Oct 6 19:15:04 2003 From: hayne at sympatico.ca (Cameron Hayne) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:21 2005 Subject: Proxy settings sticking In-Reply-To: <7079B5F1260FD041A2BBA6D180A0A0613E4ECB@msadmin.lmsd.org> Message-ID: On 6/10/03 12:35 PM, "Perbix, Michael" wrote: > Anyone know how to make the proxy settings in IE match those in the System > preferences based on the location? Back when I used IE as my regular browser, I experienced this sort of thing but quitting IE and then re-running it always fixed the problem. I.e. IE seemed to read the system proxy setting at program initialization and keep that value. -- Cameron Hayne (hayne@sympatico.ca) Hayne of Tintagel From trang at condor.circa.ufl.edu Tue Oct 7 12:40:04 2003 From: trang at condor.circa.ufl.edu (Trang Le) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:21 2005 Subject: Final Cut Pro 4 Message-ID: <3F83164D.1040108@condor.circa.ufl.edu> I just find out that the price for final Cut Pro 4 for higher education is $299/license. We need about 6 licenses for our lab. Will I be able to install Final Cut Pro 4 on one mac, then push it out to the other 5 macs? I know with Final Cut Pro 3, we could not do it. Someone mentioned that we will be able to do that with FCP 4 by purchasing the volume license for FCP. The catch is we have to buy 10 licenses (required minimun for volume license) for $249/each plus $15 media. Is there any difference in the application itself between the individual copy and the volume license? Like the installation is written different for individual purchase and volume license? Trang Le Academic Technology University of Florida From ehughes at novaworks.org Tue Oct 7 15:10:01 2003 From: ehughes at novaworks.org (Elton Hughes) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:21 2005 Subject: Off Topic Message-ID: Sorry about posting an off topic item here but ... Does anyone know of an active FileMaker Pro list? We have one user, out of a dozen users, who can print a record once, but when she tries to print a second time, her system locks up. No warning or error message. Very bizarre. Thank you for your time. Elton ========================================================= NOVA 505 W. Olive Ave. Suite 550 Elton Hughes (IT) Sunnyvale CA 94086 Phone: 408-730-7235 Fax: 408-730-7643 --------------------------------------------------------- From omni_osx_ml at todoo.biz Wed Oct 8 02:46:01 2003 From: omni_osx_ml at todoo.biz (omni_osx_ml@todoo.biz) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:21 2005 Subject: Sharp Zaurus and OSX Message-ID: Hello list, I am an OSX and Unix sys admin. I wanted to use a lighter solution to administer my servers remotly. I was looking for a solution that would allow me to use a sort of PalmPilot, remotly connect to my computers, edit (using emacs, vi, ...) and do the things I have to do on my servers. This will allow me to travel without an heavy (and powerfull) PBG4 17' which is my actual computer. One of the most interesting solution that I have found seemed to be the Sharp Zaurus 5600 which comes equiped with Linux and various utilities (such as ssh). My question is simple : Has anyone had an experience of using this Zaurus to do some remote admin (lightweight) ? Has anyone tested the compatibility of the Zaurus with OSX ?? Thanks for your answers. ________________________________________________ ???????????????????????????????????????????????? ???????????????????????????????????????????????? Gregober ---> PGP ID --> 0x1BA3C2FD omni_osx_ml @at@ todoo.biz ________________________________________________ ???????????????????????????????????????????????? ???????????????????????????????????????????????? From bauwolf at indigo.ie Wed Oct 8 04:19:03 2003 From: bauwolf at indigo.ie (Mark Twomey) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:21 2005 Subject: Sharp Zaurus and OSX In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3F83F28E.9050000@indigo.ie> omni_osx_ml@todoo.biz wrote: > Has anyone tested the compatibility of the Zaurus with OSX ?? No, but I believe neither Apple through iSync or Sharp themselves list it as being OS X compatible. If you willing to pick up something like the Palm Tungsten C (With it's built in VPN and 802.11B wireless) and install TuSSH http://staff.deltatee.com/~angusa/TuSSH.html ...I'm sure you could do what you'd be looking for. Or at least I find I can anyway. Mark. From osten2 at itab.com Wed Oct 8 04:32:02 2003 From: osten2 at itab.com (OSX) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:21 2005 Subject: Off Topic In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Sorry about posting an off topic item here but ... > > Does anyone know of an active FileMaker Pro list? > From omni_osx_ml at todoo.biz Wed Oct 8 05:10:01 2003 From: omni_osx_ml at todoo.biz (omni_osx_ml@todoo.biz) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:21 2005 Subject: Sharp Zaurus and OSX In-Reply-To: <3F83F28E.9050000@indigo.ie> Message-ID: Le 8/10/03 13:18, ??Mark Twomey?? a ?crit?: > omni_osx_ml@todoo.biz wrote: >> Has anyone tested the compatibility of the Zaurus with OSX ?? > > No, but I believe neither Apple through iSync or Sharp themselves list > it as being OS X compatible. If you willing to pick up something like > the Palm Tungsten C (With it's built in VPN and 802.11B wireless) and > install TuSSH http://staff.deltatee.com/~angusa/TuSSH.html > > ...I'm sure you could do what you'd be looking for. > > Or at least I find I can anyway. > > Mark. > Palm System is "closed" and lacks an "open" and stable TCP/IP stack. The product which you are talking about is not supporting ssh V2 which is requested in order to have a high level of security. Regarding the syncing of Palm with OSX, these functionnality are not what I am looking after (I do not need to sync my Palm with anything like Entourage or Address Book)... A good small and stable TCP/IP stack and various unix program, which are beeing ported to the OS will do the trick (like an ftp client, ssh V2, rsync, ...). My goal is to have a "terminal" embed in a small device which will allow me not to travel with my laptop to do my remote admin things when traveling. ________________________________________________ ???????????????????????????????????????????????? ???????????????????????????????????????????????? Gregober ---> PGP ID --> 0x1BA3C2FD omni_osx_ml @at@ todoo.biz ________________________________________________ ???????????????????????????????????????????????? ???????????????????????????????????????????????? From chad+macosx at objectwerks.com Wed Oct 8 08:26:03 2003 From: chad+macosx at objectwerks.com (Chad Leigh -- ObjectWerks Inc.) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:21 2005 Subject: Sharp Zaurus and OSX In-Reply-To: <3F83F28E.9050000@indigo.ie> Message-ID: <9E9C7A00-F9A3-11D7-90BC-003065A70D30@objectwerks.com> On Wednesday, October 8, 2003, at 05:18 AM, Mark Twomey wrote: > omni_osx_ml@todoo.biz wrote: >> Has anyone tested the compatibility of the Zaurus with OSX ?? > > No, but I believe neither Apple through iSync or Sharp themselves list > it as being OS X compatible. Why would you need iSync to ssh in? It is one thing to worry about iSync-ing your PIM functions, but the ssh should work fine as long as it is a real ssh compatible program. For the stuff listed, it should work pretty well. Chad > If you willing to pick up something like the Palm Tungsten C (With > it's built in VPN and 802.11B wireless) and install TuSSH > http://staff.deltatee.com/~angusa/TuSSH.html > > ...I'm sure you could do what you'd be looking for. > > Or at least I find I can anyway. > > Mark. > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-admin mailing list > MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin From bauwolf at indigo.ie Wed Oct 8 08:35:01 2003 From: bauwolf at indigo.ie (Mark Twomey) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:21 2005 Subject: Sharp Zaurus and OSX In-Reply-To: <9E9C7A00-F9A3-11D7-90BC-003065A70D30@objectwerks.com> References: <9E9C7A00-F9A3-11D7-90BC-003065A70D30@objectwerks.com> Message-ID: <3F842E8B.8090000@indigo.ie> Chad Leigh -- ObjectWerks Inc. wrote: > Why would you need iSync to ssh in? It is one thing to worry about > iSync-ing your PIM functions, but the ssh should work fine as long as it > is a real ssh compatible program. For the stuff listed, it should work > pretty well. >>> Has anyone tested the compatibility of the Zaurus with OSX ?? That was the question he asked Chad, and compatibility is a "looking at the big sky" word. The Sharp Zarius to my knowledge isn't compatible with OS X, communications via it's SSH client, I'd imagine, are compatible with OS X. Mark. From shoop at iWiring.Net Wed Oct 8 10:48:03 2003 From: shoop at iWiring.Net (Dan Shoop) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:21 2005 Subject: Sharp Zaurus and OSX In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 11:44 AM +0200 10/8/03, omni_osx_ml@todoo.biz wrote: >Hello list, > > >I am an OSX and Unix sys admin. >I wanted to use a lighter solution to administer my servers remotly. > >I was looking for a solution that would allow me to use a sort of PalmPilot, >remotly connect to my computers, edit (using emacs, vi, ...) and do the >things I have to do on my servers. There's ssh for the Palm as well, "TG ssh". It's good for minor things but the limitation on all these devices are there tiny screens and poor ability to handle cursor movement. With "TG ssh" on the Palm you can make teh font size smaller, but you still don't get many columns even with the font so small you can barely read it. I use this ssh on my Handspring Treo 300. It works great when I need the command line. However I find that management of things through the web browser much easier. If you have webmin or similar web based interfaces it's a much nicer experience. -dhan +------------------------------------------------------------------------+ Dan Shoop shoop@iwiring.net Consulting Internet Architect shoop@mac.com AIM: iWiring pgp key fingerprint: FAC0 9434 B5A5 24A8 D0AF 12B1 7840 3BE7 3736 DE0B iWiring designs and supports Internet systems and networks based on OS X unix(tm), and Open Source technologies. How can we help you today? Dan Shoop will be speaking at the O'Reilly & Associates Mac OS X Conference See http://conferences.oreillynet.com/macosx2003/ for details From shoop at iWiring.Net Wed Oct 8 11:00:04 2003 From: shoop at iWiring.Net (Dan Shoop) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:21 2005 Subject: Sharp Zaurus and OSX In-Reply-To: <3F83F28E.9050000@indigo.ie> References: <3F83F28E.9050000@indigo.ie> Message-ID: At 12:18 PM +0100 10/8/03, Mark Twomey wrote: >omni_osx_ml@todoo.biz wrote: >>Has anyone tested the compatibility of the Zaurus with OSX ?? > >No, but I believe neither Apple through iSync or Sharp themselves >list it as being OS X compatible. If you willing to pick up >something like the Palm Tungsten C (With it's built in VPN and >802.11B wireless) and install TuSSH >http://staff.deltatee.com/~angusa/TuSSH.html Better than a Palm with 802.11b is a Palm with a phone built in. All of these can either connect to the cellular carrier's data network or "dial" a modem pool which gets you online anywhere there's cellular coverage. -dhan +------------------------------------------------------------------------+ Dan Shoop shoop@iwiring.net Consulting Internet Architect shoop@mac.com AIM: iWiring pgp key fingerprint: FAC0 9434 B5A5 24A8 D0AF 12B1 7840 3BE7 3736 DE0B iWiring designs and supports Internet systems and networks based on OS X unix(tm), and Open Source technologies. How can we help you today? Dan Shoop will be speaking at the O'Reilly & Associates Mac OS X Conference See http://conferences.oreillynet.com/macosx2003/ for details From shoop at iWiring.Net Wed Oct 8 11:11:02 2003 From: shoop at iWiring.Net (Dan Shoop) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:21 2005 Subject: Sharp Zaurus and OSX In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 2:09 PM +0200 10/8/03, omni_osx_ml@todoo.biz wrote: >Palm System is "closed" and lacks an "open" and stable TCP/IP stack. Odd that we all have TCP/IP clients then. The TCP/IP stack may not be as robust as that of unix, but considering what it is it's not only great but works wonderfully. What more do you want than a TCP/IP stack that works when you need it? It's not closed either, but rather open to developers. >The product which you are talking about is not supporting ssh V2 which is >requested in order to have a high level of security. There are other ssh clients. And ssh2 is good enough to get you someplace where you can then hop onto with better security if you like. We don't generally expose our secured systems anyway, so we require you to hop to a border machine first. >A good small and stable TCP/IP stack and various unix program, which are >beeing ported to the OS will do the trick (like an ftp client, ssh V2, >rsync, ...). I have an ssh client, an FTP client, a web browser, AIM, IRC, and email applications all for my Palmtop. On my old VisorPhone (Hangspring Visor + phone module) I had to "dial" either a modem or use the cellular carrier's *77 service. With my new Handspring Treo it uses the "always on" 3G cellular network to seamlessly connect to the Internet. >My goal is to have a "terminal" embed in a small device which will allow me >not to travel with my laptop to do my remote admin things when traveling. And I and others have offered you this ability, and more. I routinely use my Palm to perform all the tasks I can do with any other "terminal". If you don't want our help, then just don't ask, but don't chide us for answering your questions or tell us we haven't presented you with a solution. -dhan +------------------------------------------------------------------------+ Dan Shoop shoop@iwiring.net Consulting Internet Architect shoop@mac.com AIM: iWiring pgp key fingerprint: FAC0 9434 B5A5 24A8 D0AF 12B1 7840 3BE7 3736 DE0B iWiring designs and supports Internet systems and networks based on OS X unix(tm), and Open Source technologies. How can we help you today? Dan Shoop will be speaking at the O'Reilly & Associates Mac OS X Conference See http://conferences.oreillynet.com/macosx2003/ for details From cgaraffa at creativeaim.com Wed Oct 8 11:26:01 2003 From: cgaraffa at creativeaim.com (Chris Garaffa) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:21 2005 Subject: Setting password with niutil Message-ID: I'm working on a Perl script to add users to our system (to give FTP access, for now), and it all works beautifully except for the fact that I have to manually set their password. I'd like to use niutil to set the password, like so: `nituil -createprop / /users/$ARGV[0] passwd "$the_password"`; where $ARGV[0] is the username supplied on the command line, and $the_password is the users's password. I'm assuming (wrongly?) that it should actually be a hash of the password, so I tried adding this line before the above line: my $the_password = `openssl passwd $ARGV[2]`; ($ARGV[2] is the plaintext password, supplied on the commandline. I'm not extremely worried about security.) Any thoughts on what I can try or do to get this thing working? Additionally, since these users should have FTP access only, is there a way to allow them to login even if they don't have a valid shell defined? Under the default setup, OS X Server 10.2's ftp server doesn't seem to allow this. Thanks! -- Chris Garaffa cgaraffa@creativeaim.com 203.319.5129 From shoop at iWiring.Net Wed Oct 8 14:41:01 2003 From: shoop at iWiring.Net (Dan Shoop) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:21 2005 Subject: Setting password with niutil In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 2:25 PM -0400 10/8/03, Chris Garaffa wrote: >I'm working on a Perl script to add users to our system (to give FTP >access, for now), and it all works beautifully except for the fact >that I have to manually set their password. I'd like to use niutil >to set the password, like so: >`nituil -createprop / /users/$ARGV[0] passwd "$the_password"`; >where $ARGV[0] is the username supplied on the command line, and >$the_password is the users's password. I'm assuming (wrongly?) that >it should actually be a hash of the password, so I tried adding this >line before the above line: >my $the_password = `openssl passwd $ARGV[2]`; >($ARGV[2] is the plaintext password, supplied on the commandline. >I'm not extremely worried about security.) > >Any thoughts on what I can try or do to get this thing working? You probably want crypt not MD5 or SHA. Just use crypt or the Perl crypt function. -dhan +------------------------------------------------------------------------+ Dan Shoop shoop@iwiring.net Consulting Internet Architect shoop@mac.com AIM: iWiring pgp key fingerprint: FAC0 9434 B5A5 24A8 D0AF 12B1 7840 3BE7 3736 DE0B iWiring designs and supports Internet systems and networks based on OS X unix(tm), and Open Source technologies. How can we help you today? Dan Shoop will be speaking at the O'Reilly & Associates Mac OS X Conference See http://conferences.oreillynet.com/macosx2003/ for details From justin at mac.com Wed Oct 8 15:29:01 2003 From: justin at mac.com (Justin C. Walker) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:21 2005 Subject: Setting password with niutil In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wednesday, October 8, 2003, at 11:25 AM, Chris Garaffa wrote: > I'm working on a Perl script to add users to our system (to give FTP > access, for now), and it all works beautifully except for the fact > that I have to manually set their password. I'd like to use niutil to > set the password, like so: > `nituil -createprop / /users/$ARGV[0] passwd "$the_password"`; > where $ARGV[0] is the username supplied on the command line, and > $the_password is the users's password. I'm assuming (wrongly?) that it > should actually be a hash of the password, so I tried adding this line > before the above line: > my $the_password = `openssl passwd $ARGV[2]`; > ($ARGV[2] is the plaintext password, supplied on the commandline. I'm > not extremely worried about security.) > > Any thoughts on what I can try or do to get this thing working? You'd have the same luck with niutil as you would editing /etc/passwd on systems that support that directly. Netinfo just deals with opaque data; it has very little semantics built in, so it doesn't know that 'passwd' should be encrypted. In short, you need to store the password encrypted in the same way that 'passwd(1)' would encrypt it (and, I think, that this needs to be the same system-wide). Regards, Justin -- Justin C. Walker, Curmudgeon-At-Large * Institute for General Semantics | Men are from Earth. | Women are from Earth. | Deal with it. *--------------------------------------*-------------------------------* From bauwolf at indigo.ie Wed Oct 8 16:11:01 2003 From: bauwolf at indigo.ie (Mark Twomey) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:21 2005 Subject: Sharp Zaurus and OSX In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wednesday, October 8, 2003, at 01:09 PM, omni_osx_ml@todoo.biz wrote: > My goal is to have a "terminal" embed in a small device which will > allow me > not to travel with my laptop to do my remote admin things when > traveling. Then feel free to go crazy with the Zaurus, obviously the only "compatibility" with OS X you require doesn't go any further than TCP/IP. Mark. From cgaraffa at creativeaim.com Wed Oct 8 19:03:01 2003 From: cgaraffa at creativeaim.com (Chris Garaffa) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:21 2005 Subject: Setting password with niutil In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: OK, thanks to the following two emails, I've gotten the script working. I added /usr/bin/true to my /etc/shells file, and also replaced the call to openssl passwd with this: crypt($ARGV[2], rand()) On Oct 8, 2003, at 2:56 PM, Bill Leonard wrote: > As far as shell goes, if you add this line: > > /usr/bin/true > > To the /etc/shells file > > and then set their shell to that, it will give them FTP only access. On Oct 8, 2003, at 5:39 PM, Dan Shoop wrote: > You probably want crypt not MD5 or SHA. > > Just use crypt or the Perl crypt function. Thanks for everyone's help! If anyone wants a copy of the script (it's very rudimentary, but it works for adding users) let me know. -- Chris Garaffa cgaraffa@creativeaim.com From kremels at kreme.com Wed Oct 8 23:05:01 2003 From: kremels at kreme.com (Lukreme) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:21 2005 Subject: Setting password with niutil In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6B85FC54-FA1E-11D7-B144-000A95935598@kreme.com> On 08 Oct 2003, at 12:25, Chris Garaffa wrote: > Additionally, since these users should have FTP access only, is there > a way to allow them to login even if they don't have a valid shell > defined? Under the default setup, OS X Server 10.2's ftp server > doesn't seem to allow this. If the shell is defined as /usr/bin/false can't they still login to ftp? Be sure and use the /etc/ftpchroot file to restrict ftp users to their own (or the community) directory. The other thing you can do is create a single user (ftp) and then use a ftpd like proftpd to define aliases which can also login. Since those aliases are not real users, all you need is a name and a hashed password in the proftpd.conf file. -- "Hi Dad! It's 3am, do you know where I am?" From omni_osx_ml at todoo.biz Thu Oct 9 01:58:01 2003 From: omni_osx_ml at todoo.biz (omni_osx_ml@todoo.biz) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:21 2005 Subject: Sharp Zaurus and OSX In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Le 8/10/03 20:09, ??Dan Shoop?? a ?crit?: Sorry dan, I didn't mean to offend you and was very pleased that you gave me an answer. My initial question was more focused on the usage of the Zaurus 5600... I wanted to know if anybody on the list has been using It with OSX and If so if they were happy... Regarding the fact that both products (OSX and Zauruss 5600) have a strong Unix background, I would find It interesting to grow a larger compatibility for the two products. Thanks for your answer. > At 2:09 PM +0200 10/8/03, omni_osx_ml@todoo.biz wrote: >> Palm System is "closed" and lacks an "open" and stable TCP/IP stack. > > Odd that we all have TCP/IP clients then. The TCP/IP stack may not be > as robust as that of unix, but considering what it is it's not only > great but works wonderfully. What more do you want than a TCP/IP > stack that works when you need it? > > It's not closed either, but rather open to developers. > >> The product which you are talking about is not supporting ssh V2 which is >> requested in order to have a high level of security. > > There are other ssh clients. And ssh2 is good enough to get you > someplace where you can then hop onto with better security if you > like. We don't generally expose our secured systems anyway, so we > require you to hop to a border machine first. > >> A good small and stable TCP/IP stack and various unix program, which are >> beeing ported to the OS will do the trick (like an ftp client, ssh V2, >> rsync, ...). > > I have an ssh client, an FTP client, a web browser, AIM, IRC, and > email applications all for my Palmtop. On my old VisorPhone > (Hangspring Visor + phone module) I had to "dial" either a modem or > use the cellular carrier's *77 service. With my new Handspring Treo > it uses the "always on" 3G cellular network to seamlessly connect to > the Internet. > >> My goal is to have a "terminal" embed in a small device which will allow me >> not to travel with my laptop to do my remote admin things when traveling. > > And I and others have offered you this ability, and more. I routinely > use my Palm to perform all the tasks I can do with any other > "terminal". > > If you don't want our help, then just don't ask, but don't chide us > for answering your questions or tell us we haven't presented you with > a solution. > > -dhan ________________________________________________ ???????????????????????????????????????????????? ???????????????????????????????????????????????? Gregober ---> PGP ID --> 0x1BA3C2FD omni_osx_ml @at@ todoo.biz ________________________________________________ ???????????????????????????????????????????????? ???????????????????????????????????????????????? From samis at mindspring.com Thu Oct 9 02:21:01 2003 From: samis at mindspring.com (Sam Daniel) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:21 2005 Subject: Can IMac be Used as Monitor to G5? Message-ID: Does anyone out there know whether and how an iMac (17in) could be used as a monitor to a G5 system? It will be fresh out of the box and thus not properly administered. Sam Daniel From Matthew.van.Eerde at hbinc.com Thu Oct 9 09:08:01 2003 From: Matthew.van.Eerde at hbinc.com (Matthew.van.Eerde@hbinc.com) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:21 2005 Subject: time zone and traveling Message-ID: Hate to bring up a dead thread, but the latest issue of Apple eNews contains this hopeful sentence: "Ready to travel, iCal [1.5.1] now offers built-in support for multiple time zones" Guess someone at Apple was listening! :) > -----Original Message----- > From: John C. Welch [mailto:jwelch@aer.com] > Sent: Friday, September 12, 2003 7:49 PM > To: Omni List > Subject: Re: time zone and traveling > > > On 09/11/2003 23:50, "Chris Murphy" wrote: > > >> If you make an appointment for 1pm eastern, and on the day of that > >> appointment, you are in Cali, guess what, your appointment > is now at > >> 10am. > >> If you wait until 1pm, as your paper calendar would say, you just > >> *missed > >> your appointment*. > > > > Telephone appointments are another matter entirely. Those > I'm just as > > prepared to compensate for differences in time zone > mentally prior to > > scheduling in iCal as I would have to on paper. It's apples > and oranges. > > So wait...now it's the TYPE of appointment that makes a difference? Oh > please. All my appointments are in local time whereever I am. > iCal reminding > me two hours too late because it ignored my time zone does me no good > whatsoever. > > > > > And I *have* been late to appointments due to the exact problem I'm > > complaining about, and that you are defending. > > You're the first person I've ever seen bitch about a calendar program > changing times of appointments to reflect the current time zone. > > > > >> I'm curious as to the color of the sky in a world where > time zones can > >> be > >> ignored. > > > > I'd far rather them be ignored and for the application to > behave like > > paper than to act like a rubber ruler. > > Yeah...because being reminded about appointments two hours > too early or two > hours too late is SO HANDY...not. > > > -- > "There is only one tactical principle which is not subject to > change. It is > to use the means at hand to inflict the maximum amount of > wound, death, and > destruction on the enemy in the minimum amount of time." > - General George S. Patton, Jr. > > > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-admin mailing list > MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin > From justin at mac.com Thu Oct 9 11:12:01 2003 From: justin at mac.com (Justin C. Walker) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:21 2005 Subject: IPP and windows Message-ID: <408BA582-FA83-11D7-A156-00306544D642@mac.com> Hi, all, A quick question: I have a Mac (10.2.8) sporting an Epson/USB printer. I'm trying to get a windows laptop (IBM ThinkTank, Win/XP) to talk to the printer via the network. I've tried (using the Wizard) to point it at "ipp://printers/..." [which fails immediately with a resolution error] and "http://printers/..." [which fails the same way, after a pause]. The laptop is on an RFC-1918 subnet, the Mac is the gateway to the outside world, and the Mac's (unqualified) host name is in the laptop's host file. I have not restarted/booted/logged-back-in since updating the host file on the laptop. I can print to the printer from another (networked) mac. Will work for clues. Regards, Justin -- Justin C. Walker, Curmudgeon-At-Large * Institute for General Semantics | If you're not confused, | You're not paying attention *--------------------------------------*-------------------------------* From lists at colorremedies.com Thu Oct 9 16:38:13 2003 From: lists at colorremedies.com (Chris Murphy) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:21 2005 Subject: sleep problems after 10.2.8? Message-ID: <79F6C055-FAB1-11D7-ADD2-0003934CBC52@colorremedies.com> I've had several problems after updating to 10.2.8 where the machine will just freeze when putting it to sleep. I select the sleep command from the Apple menu, and then the mouse arrow vanishes and the whole UI freezes including the Finder's clock on the menu bar. I can ssh into the machine. top is unrevealing of any problems, except that there is an item that is normally running, that is missing from the list: SystemUIServer is nowhere to be found. I do a ps -aux and one item has a status of Z that I do not recognize and can't get anymore information from: root 893 0.0 0.0 0 0 con- Z 31Dec69 0:00.00 (LaunchCFMApp) If I try to kill it, the system says there is no such process. Yet ps lists it. Yet top doesn't list it. So at this point I can work in a shell but that doesn't do me much good so I safely quit all apps, then I kill the loginwindow to see if I can get just log back in. The frozen desktop vanishes and I get a blue screen and nothing else ever appears. So I type sudo reboot. Of course at this point I lose my ssh connection and eventually the machine should reboot. Maybe it would have but I got impatient after 5 minutes and hit the reset button. Lastly this latest freeze on sleep generated a crash log in /Library called ???.crash.log which is as follows: ********** Date/Time: 2003-10-09 17:21:19 -0600 OS Version: 10.2.8 (Build 6R73) Host: ColorMachine.local. Command: Unknown PID: 415 Exception: EXC_BAD_ACCESS (0x0001) Codes: KERN_PROTECTION_FAILURE (0x0002) at 0x00000060 Backtrace not available PPC Thread State: srr0: 0x000afe30 srr1: 0x0000f030 vrsave: 0x00000000 xer: 0x00000000 lr: 0x000afe28 ctr: 0x00000000 mq: 0x00000000 r0: 0x001b7570 r1: 0xf03058f0 r2: 0x001b87d0 r3: 0x0012b778 r4: 0x00000010 r5: 0x00000000 r6: 0x00000010 r7: 0x00000010 r8: 0x0023f002 r9: 0x00000000 r10: 0x00000000 r11: 0xf0305a30 r12: 0x90073a20 r13: 0x00000000 r14: 0x00000000 r15: 0x00000000 r16: 0x00000000 r17: 0x00000000 r18: 0x00000000 r19: 0x00000000 r20: 0x00000000 r21: 0x001d4900 r22: 0x00000000 r23: 0x00000000 r24: 0x00000000 r25: 0x00000000 r26: 0x00000000 r27: 0x0027256c r28: 0xf0305930 r29: 0x001b8830 r30: 0x0027256c r31: 0x00130000 I'm thinking 10.2.8 dorked my machine because I haven't had a problem like this until I updated. Anyone have any idea what's going on? Chris Murphy Color Remedies (TM) www.colorremedies.com/realworldcolor --------------------------------------------------------- Co-author "Real World Color Management" Published by PeachPit Press (ISBN 0-201-77340-6) From cynik at mac.com Fri Oct 10 01:08:01 2003 From: cynik at mac.com (Cyril Niklaus) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:21 2005 Subject: Sharp Zaurus and OSX In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 8 oct. 03, at 18:44, omni_osx_ml@todoo.biz wrote: > Hello list, > > > I am an OSX and Unix sys admin. > I wanted to use a lighter solution to administer my servers remotly. > > I was looking for a solution that would allow me to use a sort of > PalmPilot, > remotly connect to my computers, edit (using emacs, vi, ...) and do the > things I have to do on my servers. Well I have the zaurus SL C760, and there's absolutely no problem using its ssh to connect to OS X. You just need a wireless (or a normal one) Compact Flash card, and you're all set. Now, if you're planning on synchronizing your agenda, address book and stuff, well, that won't happen. You'll be able to do backups, sure, but not share data (I use it's ftp server to upload books and stuff on it though samba is available). The only data you can share easily is email, as the built-in is IMAP compliant. Cyril -- "Time's fun when you're having flies." Kermit the Frog From robertcerny at mac.com Fri Oct 10 11:10:01 2003 From: robertcerny at mac.com (Robert Cerny) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:21 2005 Subject: Problem with Cisco router Message-ID: Hi folks, I have encoutered a very weird problem with Cisco routers. I was trying to find an answer in the archives, but nothing I was able to find was helpful. My configurations is as follows: XServe with MacOS X Server 10.2.6 CIsco router (I'm not sure which model, since it was supplied by ISP) a few eMacs The problem description: The server is configured with 2 ethernet cards, one running 192.168.1 range supplied by DHCP, the second paramters are static address provided by ISP. I'm able to connect to server from the internal network and ping all macs from internal domain. I'm able to ping Cisco, broadcast and ethernet card (loopback) as well. The problem is that no packet gets through Cisco. traceroute doesn't work at all. My ISP is able to ping anything, including ethernet card of my server. Uff. Any ideas? Robert From lists at colorremedies.com Fri Oct 10 12:11:02 2003 From: lists at colorremedies.com (Chris Murphy) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:21 2005 Subject: iCal and timezone revisited Message-ID: <5B7EC858-FB55-11D7-ADD2-0003934CBC52@colorremedies.com> So I'm thinking that this was vindication, that the previous behavior was in fact jacked up and Apple figured it out. But now it's even worse than it was before. All previous appointments sync to the telephone (both telephone and machine are set to the same timezone) at their proper time. All *NEWLY ADDED* appointments in either the phone or in iCal sync to the other offset by 1 hour. A 12pm appointment entered into the phone syncs to iCal as 11am. A 12pm appointment entered into iCal syncs to the phone as 1am. But only NEW appointments. The old appointments are syncing just fine. Now the last time I got some pretty amazing suggestions from the list, so I thought I'd see how this gets explained. I even tried resetting the phone, deleting the phone in iSync, and pushing all new info to the phone and it still does it. Old appointments before the update sync fine. Newly added appointments are offset by 1 hour. Chris Murphy Color Remedies (TM) www.colorremedies.com/realworldcolor --------------------------------------------------------- Co-author "Real World Color Management" Published by PeachPit Press (ISBN 0-201-77340-6) From janos.lobb at yale.edu Fri Oct 10 13:18:03 2003 From: janos.lobb at yale.edu (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?J=E1nos_L=F6bb?=) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:21 2005 Subject: Where is wish [in Bagira] ? Message-ID: Starting GRASS ... WARNING: The wish command (wish) was not found! janos:~ janos$ which wish no wish in /Volumes/Apps/ant/bin /usr/X11R6/bin /bin /sbin /usr/bin /usr/sbin janos:~ janos$ sudo find / -name wish -print Password: janos:~ janos$ So, where is wish ? J?nos ---------------------------------------------- Trying to argue with a politician is like lifting up the head of a corpse. (S. Lem: His Master Voice) From samis at mindspring.com Sat Oct 11 12:53:01 2003 From: samis at mindspring.com (Sam Daniel) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:21 2005 Subject: Mail.app Mailbox Transfer Message-ID: <694BE526-FC24-11D7-9974-000A959C27FE@mindspring.com> Given that I am networked to another computer whose Mail.app mailboxes I own, how do I transfer them over to my current computer? Sam Daniel From magill at mcgillsociety.org Sun Oct 12 10:37:01 2003 From: magill at mcgillsociety.org (William H. Magill) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:21 2005 Subject: Moving Files From Your Older Macintosh to a New One In-Reply-To: Message-ID: The knowledge base has a very interesting new article on a topic that comes up frequently: Mac OS: Moving Files From Your Older Macintosh to a New One Learn how to move or copy files from an older Macintosh computer to newer one, for example, from a computer that uses Mac OS 8 or 9 to one that uses Mac OS X 10.2. T.T.F.N. William H. Magill # Beige G3 - Rev A motherboard - 768 Meg # Flat-panel iMac (2.1) 800MHz - Super Drive - 768 Meg # PWS433a [Alpha 21164 Rev 7.2 (EV56)- 64 Meg]- Tru64 5.1a magill@mcgillsociety.org magill@acm.org magill@mac.com From aitkena at cbs.curtin.edu.au Sun Oct 12 20:33:02 2003 From: aitkena at cbs.curtin.edu.au (Ashley Aitken) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:21 2005 Subject: Moving temporary folder for CD/DVD burning ... Message-ID: Howdy All, As you (probably) know, Mac OS X creates a copy of files you wish to burn to CD or DVD before it actually burns them. I believe it mounts the device in /Volumes and the temporary directory exists there (ie on the startup partition). That's fine except when you want to burn a DVD and there is less than 4.7GB of free space on your startup disk/partition. In fact, Mac OS X won't even automatically mount the CD/DVD unless there is enough space (equivalent to the size of the disk) available. Now, when I setup my machine I created a 10GB partition for the System (MacOSX) and a 10GB Scratch partition (for temporary work eg beta Systems, DVD work, etc), and of course a partition for Users (all the rest of the space). I thought 10GB would be plenty for MacOSX and Developer tools (my previous machine used < 5GB). But now I find I have only 3GB left on that partition and so the DVD won't automatically mount (and I worry what's going to happen with Panther with all its extras eg. X11). My question is: Is there any way to tell MacOSX to put the "temporary" folder for disk burning onto another partition? I would even be happy to mount the disk manually using diskutil or similar as long as I could get that folder to use space on /Volumes/Scratch not /Volumes (ie /). It doesn't seem possible to move it once it has been mounted because it won't mount unless there is enough space. Any suggestions? Any tricks, hacks, magic? Thanks in advance! Cheers, Ashley. PS Please respond my email as well as to the mailing list (if you wish), as I am having trouble with the list at present. From samis at mindspring.com Sun Oct 12 20:56:02 2003 From: samis at mindspring.com (Sam Daniel) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:21 2005 Subject: Not received mailings Message-ID: <12687AD1-FD31-11D7-87F8-000A95A6AAB8@mindspring.com> For several days now, I have not received the daily macos-admin digest. When I tried to re-register, I got the message that I was already registered. How can I get reinstated? Sam Daniel From rpeskin at rlpcon.com Mon Oct 13 12:59:01 2003 From: rpeskin at rlpcon.com (Richard Peskin) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:21 2005 Subject: tcp/ip packet question Message-ID: <7A53E41F-FDB7-11D7-A746-000393639B02@rlpcon.com> Using a packet analysis tool, I find one of my workstations is continually sending a broadcast packet out to address 192.168.1.255 (192.168.1.xxx is the internal LAN). The source port is the workstation (192.168.1.24) and the destination port is 192.168.1.255. The protocol is ipp > ipp. No other workstation is doing this (at least continually). Where should I be looking for the source of this? Each workstation has a local LAN interface (en0) and a wireless interface (en1). Interface to the Internet is via an AirPort Extreme base station, which distributes (via DHCP) addresses in the 192.168.1.xxx range to those workstations not manually assigned. (All are manually when using the en0 interface and dynamically assigned when wireless.) thanks, --dick peskin From trang at condor.circa.ufl.edu Mon Oct 13 15:08:01 2003 From: trang at condor.circa.ufl.edu (Trang Le) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:21 2005 Subject: G5 Message-ID: <3F8B2200.8040203@condor.circa.ufl.edu> We have two G5s for about a few days. This morning when I pressed the On-Off button to turn the G5 on, it did not do anything. I heard a very faint noise like the mac tried to come up, then nothing. I yanked the power cord from the power strip, wait for 30 seconds, plugged it back, and the mac came up fine. This happened a lot of times. I haven't tested the other G5 yet. Anyone experienced something like that? This G5 came with OS X 10.2.8. By the way where is the Reset button on G5? Trang Le University of Florida From trang at condor.circa.ufl.edu Mon Oct 13 15:30:16 2003 From: trang at condor.circa.ufl.edu (Trang Le) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:21 2005 Subject: OS X 10.2.6 Message-ID: <3F8B23ED.1070908@condor.circa.ufl.edu> We have OS X 10.2.6 on G4s and Blue & White G3s. All have the same system. If I leave the mac (either G4 or G3) with a user signed on overnight, the next morning the LoginWindow appears. It seems like the mac restarts by itself. I wonder if there is an implicit command that mac will restart itself if it is iddle for more than few hours. Is there anyway to prevent this from happening? Thanks, Trang Le University of Florida From scott_ribe at killerbytes.com Mon Oct 13 15:30:29 2003 From: scott_ribe at killerbytes.com (Scott Ribe) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:21 2005 Subject: Locating vendor by ID??? Message-ID: I get the following message in console.log: Looking for devices matching vendor ID=1193 and product ID=8718 ***Once per second***; yep 86,400 of these per day. I'd like to figure out what piece o' junk software is doing this, and thought the easiest way might be to start by tracking down the vendor ID. (I figure it's a driver/component of some sort looking for a USB or Firewire device.) -- Scott Ribe scott_ribe@killerbytes.com http://www.killerbytes.com/ (303) 665-7007 voice From scott at hastings.com Tue Oct 14 09:27:03 2003 From: scott at hastings.com (Larry Scott Hastings) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:21 2005 Subject: Error running a .jar file Message-ID: I have two machines (B&W G3, tangerine iBook), both running 10.2.8, and with the latest java 1.4.1 update installed. After the java update, a .jar file (jmakeztxt-1.7.4.jar) I use on the iBook fails to run when double-clicked. When I try to run from the Terminal I get the following: [lshbook:~] lshbook% java /Applications/jmakeztxt-1.7.4.jar Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: /Applications/jmakeztxt-1/7/4/jar The same .jar file runs fine on the B&W G3. Any ideas? -- Hook'em --Scott H. From robertcerny at mac.com Tue Oct 14 13:37:01 2003 From: robertcerny at mac.com (Robert Cerny) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:21 2005 Subject: Troubles with AppleMailServer Message-ID: <8265395.1066163779103.JavaMail.robertcerny@mac.com> Hi folks, I have got a problem with Apple Mail Server. It must be something obvious but I can't find the error I do. The problem is that my users cannot authenticate agains server. It doesn't matter if they use POP3 or IMAP, the error is the same - Oct 14 2003 22:32:41 POP3 User "robert" attempted to login in but failed. This user has an active mail account on "mail.server.cz". I dunno if its important but all my users are in /Network/root domain. Thanks Robert From david.mcrell at danetracks.com Tue Oct 14 19:00:03 2003 From: david.mcrell at danetracks.com (David McRell) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:21 2005 Subject: Groups Message-ID: I posted a few weeks ago about user accounts being limited to 16 groups - as far as shell support is concerned. Consider I have a dozen or more groups. What I want to do is provide each group with a directory. The regular staff *may* have access to all, but each client must be limited to the group folder. Ideally, I would rather give only those in the group access, not all staff. Dan Shoop offered his sagely, groups != ACL. Another suggested my horizontal psychology may need to be reconsidered. Let's agree - what I need is not radical. How can I do this without some users exceeding the 16 group limit? Someone may have mentioned problems with Group Folders as provided by the Workgroup manager. These must have a similar architecture. Thanks for the wisdom ... -- DM From scott at maxify.com Tue Oct 14 19:28:48 2003 From: scott at maxify.com (Scott Stevenson) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:21 2005 Subject: Test to macosx-admin Message-ID: <16F79AB3-FEB7-11D7-B25A-003065CA9E5A@maxify.com> Hi everyone -- This message will hopefully be distributed properly to all list subscribers. The problems with macosx-admin should now be fixed. Best Regards, - Scott -- Tree House Ideas http://treehouseideas.com/ From mvgfr at mac.com Tue Oct 14 20:28:07 2003 From: mvgfr at mac.com (Marc Farnum Rendino) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:21 2005 Subject: Network Configuration Question In-Reply-To: <403CBC21-7C7A-11D7-9D40-000393C5E840@digifix.com> References: <403CBC21-7C7A-11D7-9D40-000393C5E840@digifix.com> Message-ID: At 4:44 AM -0400 on 03/05/02, Scott Anguish wrote: >I'd like to augment my frame connection with a cable modem, so that >all non-server traffic is routed over the cable. (They don't allow >servers on cable, so I need to keep the web and mail servers on the >frame line)? It's actually quite simple; just did something similar myself: Add a "broadband router" (I like LinkSys, but I'm sure there are other good ones) for the new cable (or DSL, which isn't shared...) and use its built-in NAT functionality (I don't know of any that don't come with NAT) such that client machines on your net get access through it - and nothing gets in that isn't specifically requested by an internal node. Now, to get to the servers from those newly moved clients, which are now on an entirely separate IP network (and therefore not accessible except by router), _but_ are on the same physical network, simply multihome the servers. For Mac OS X (and server) it's as easy as: - Open System Prefs/Network - Navigate to "Network Port Configs" - Duplicate the current one. - Rename it something like "Ethernet - cable net" or some such. - Feed it the proper info (ex: DHCP) This of course means that this multihomed machine is theoretically available to traffic coming in over the cable ISP connection. Of course that's taken care of by NAT though; anything not specifically requested by that node first, bounces off the broadband router. There's also the theoretical possibility that some bad traffic coming in over one side, could affect the other, but that'd involve something other than IP, since the networks are logically separate. (Raw Ethernet frames?) I'm not aware of any such thing, but I'd love to hear a discussion on it. One _huge_ benefit to doing it this way is that the speed of access across nets (via multihoming) is not limited by a router - you get 100Mb or Gb or whatever you have - and you sure ain't gonna get a Gb router (or firewall) for that small a network. :) - Marc From pretentius at pacbell.net Wed Oct 15 06:46:02 2003 From: pretentius at pacbell.net (Pretentius) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:21 2005 Subject: My ISP doesn't support Mail.app. Claims Apple Won't Let It. Message-ID: I was just on the phone with my ISP (SBCGlobal), trying to sort out a mail account configuration problem, and was told that Apple won't LET them support Mail.app. (The claim is that Apple gets support $ from this approach,.) I find this hard to believe. Any wisdom on this? -- Pretentius From jde6 at psu.edu Wed Oct 15 07:33:10 2003 From: jde6 at psu.edu (Justin Elliott) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:21 2005 Subject: MacOSXLabs.org KeyServer WebCast Next Tuesday, Oct. 21 Message-ID: Thought this might be of interest to the members of this list: -- Watch the MacOSXLabs' webcast on KeyServer K2, next Tuesday, October 21 at 1:00 PM EDT. KeyServer is an integrated software auditing and software asset management solution, widely used in business and higher education. John Tomeny and Denis Devlin of Sassafras will be presenting. Ethan Benatan of Reed College will present a case study of their KeyServer environment. For more information, please visit the MacOSXLabs.org webcast web page: http://www.macosxlabs.org/webcasts/webcasts_next.html -- Thanks, - Justin Elliott www.macosxlabs.org -- Justin Elliott Penn State University Senior Research Programmer Information Technology Services jde6@psu.edu TLT/Classroom and Lab Computing From osx_rand at mac.com Wed Oct 15 12:17:25 2003 From: osx_rand at mac.com (osx_rand) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:21 2005 Subject: My ISP doesn't support Mail.app. Claims Apple Won't Let It. In-Reply-To: <200310151902.h9FJ2uVp007183@slowbro.omnigroup.com> References: <200310151902.h9FJ2uVp007183@slowbro.omnigroup.com> Message-ID: <42393C99-FF43-11D7-B5C4-000A959A0D5A@mac.com> Most likely they are full of it. What is the problem with their setup that makes Mail.app incompatible with their mail server? What is the issue that they are basing this claim on, i bet it is just them covering their own incompetence. rand On 15/10/2003, at 3:02 PM, macosx-admin-request@omnigroup.com wrote: Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 06:45:47 -0700 Subject: My ISP doesn't support Mail.app. Claims Apple Won't Let It. From: Pretentius To: macosx-admin@omnigroup.com I was just on the phone with my ISP (SBCGlobal), trying to sort out a mail account configuration problem, and was told that Apple won't LET them support Mail.app. (The claim is that Apple gets support $ from this approach,.) I find this hard to believe. Any wisdom on this? -- Pretentius From kwerle at pobox.com Wed Oct 15 12:26:31 2003 From: kwerle at pobox.com (Kurt Werle) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:21 2005 Subject: MacOSX-admin digest, Vol 1 #1253 - 6 msgs In-Reply-To: <200310151903.h9FJ3AVp007254@slowbro.omnigroup.com> Message-ID: > Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 06:45:47 -0700 > Subject: My ISP doesn't support Mail.app. Claims Apple Won't Let It. > From: Pretentius > To: macosx-admin@omnigroup.com > > I was just on the phone with my ISP (SBCGlobal), trying to sort out a > mail account configuration problem, and was told that Apple won't LET > them support Mail.app. (The claim is that Apple gets support $ from > this approach,.) I find this hard to believe. Any wisdom on this? What jerks. I use pacbell just because they're the cheapest DSL for my needs. The following SHOULD work: Fire up Mail. Create a new Account Account Type: POP Description: Pacbell Email Address: pretentius@pacbell.net Full Name: ... Incoming Mail Server: postoffice.pacbell.net User Name: [probably] pretentius Password: ... Outgoing Mail Server: mail.pacbell.net Sigh. Kurt --- kwerle@pobox.com http://www.pobox.com/~kwerle/ Tired of spam? Control your Mailserver (or .forward)? http://tess.sf.net From bill at machinemen.com Wed Oct 15 12:49:02 2003 From: bill at machinemen.com (Bill Leonard) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:21 2005 Subject: My ISP doesn't support Mail.app. Claims Apple Won't Let It. In-Reply-To: <42393C99-FF43-11D7-B5C4-000A959A0D5A@mac.com> Message-ID: Let me chime in as a hosting provider, what are they telling you? It's all BS whatever it is. What kind of problem are you having with it and maybe I can help. Bill On 10/15/03 3:10 PM, "osx_rand" wrote: > Most likely they are full of it. > What is the problem with their setup that makes Mail.app incompatible > with their mail server? What is the issue that they are basing this > claim on, i bet it is just them covering their own incompetence. > > rand > > On 15/10/2003, at 3:02 PM, macosx-admin-request@omnigroup.com wrote: > > Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 06:45:47 -0700 > Subject: My ISP doesn't support Mail.app. Claims Apple Won't Let It. > From: Pretentius > To: macosx-admin@omnigroup.com > > I was just on the phone with my ISP (SBCGlobal), trying to sort out a > mail account configuration problem, and was told that Apple won't LET > them support Mail.app. (The claim is that Apple gets support $ from > this approach,.) I find this hard to believe. Any wisdom on this? -- Bill Leonard bill@machinemen.com www.machinemen.com 407.464.0147 XrackHosting.com - Mac OS X hosting done right! http://www.xrackhosting.com/ From bkerstetter at mac.com Wed Oct 15 12:53:45 2003 From: bkerstetter at mac.com (Bob Kerstetter) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:21 2005 Subject: MacOSX-admin digest, Vol 1 #1253 - 6 msgs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wednesday, Oct 15, 2003, at 14:21 US/Central, Kurt Werle wrote: >> Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 06:45:47 -0700 >> Subject: My ISP doesn't support Mail.app. Claims Apple Won't Let It. >> From: Pretentius >> To: macosx-admin@omnigroup.com >> >> I was just on the phone with my ISP (SBCGlobal), trying to sort out a >> mail account configuration problem, and was told that Apple won't LET >> them support Mail.app. (The claim is that Apple gets support $ from >> this approach,.) I find this hard to believe. Any wisdom on this? > > What jerks. I use pacbell just because they're the cheapest DSL for > my needs. The following SHOULD work: > Fire up Mail. > Create a new Account > > Account Type: POP > Description: Pacbell > Email Address: pretentius@pacbell.net > Full Name: ... > Incoming Mail Server: postoffice.pacbell.net > User Name: [probably] pretentius > Password: ... > Outgoing Mail Server: mail.pacbell.net > > Okay. Try putting your complete email address into user name. Also, on your outgoing mail server make sure you have your PW and POSSIBLY your complete email address. They may be running multiple domains on their email server and need your complete email address. Mail.app runs with any standards compliant email server using POP or IMAP. I use with mac.com, obviously, but also with MDaemon (www.altn.com) an email server that runs on Windows 95~XP Pro. The stuff about apple wanting money for support is stupid. Mail.app is based on an old unix mail application that has been around longer than most ISPs. BTW, From bkerstetter at mac.com Wed Oct 15 13:10:08 2003 From: bkerstetter at mac.com (Bob Kerstetter) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:21 2005 Subject: MacOSX-admin digest, Vol 1 #1253 - 6 msgs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: BTW, I have no idea how my account on this list got reactivated. Restoring from an old list, perhaps? On Wednesday, Oct 15, 2003, at 14:21 US/Central, Kurt Werle wrote: >> Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 06:45:47 -0700 >> Subject: My ISP doesn't support Mail.app. Claims Apple Won't Let It. >> From: Pretentius >> To: macosx-admin@omnigroup.com >> >> I was just on the phone with my ISP (SBCGlobal), trying to sort out a >> mail account configuration problem, and was told that Apple won't LET >> them support Mail.app. (The claim is that Apple gets support $ from >> this approach,.) I find this hard to believe. Any wisdom on this? > > What jerks. I use pacbell just because they're the cheapest DSL for > my needs. The following SHOULD work: > Fire up Mail. > Create a new Account > > Account Type: POP > Description: Pacbell > Email Address: pretentius@pacbell.net > Full Name: ... > Incoming Mail Server: postoffice.pacbell.net > User Name: [probably] pretentius > Password: ... > Outgoing Mail Server: mail.pacbell.net > > Sigh. > > Kurt > --- > kwerle@pobox.com > http://www.pobox.com/~kwerle/ > Tired of spam? Control your Mailserver (or .forward)? > http://tess.sf.net > > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-admin mailing list > MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin From akirkland at digicutsystems.com Wed Oct 15 13:24:12 2003 From: akirkland at digicutsystems.com (Aaron Kirkland) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:21 2005 Subject: MacOSX-admin digest, Vol 1 #1253 - 6 msgs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I have not received mail from this list in more than a year and i just started getting mail a few minutes ago On Wednesday, October 15, 2003, at 03:05 PM, Bob Kerstetter wrote: > BTW, I have no idea how my account on this list got reactivated. > Restoring from an old list, perhaps? > > > On Wednesday, Oct 15, 2003, at 14:21 US/Central, Kurt Werle wrote: > >>> Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 06:45:47 -0700 >>> Subject: My ISP doesn't support Mail.app. Claims Apple Won't Let It. >>> From: Pretentius >>> To: macosx-admin@omnigroup.com >>> >>> I was just on the phone with my ISP (SBCGlobal), trying to sort out a >>> mail account configuration problem, and was told that Apple won't LET >>> them support Mail.app. (The claim is that Apple gets support $ from >>> this approach,.) I find this hard to believe. Any wisdom on this? >> >> What jerks. I use pacbell just because they're the cheapest DSL for >> my needs. The following SHOULD work: >> Fire up Mail. >> Create a new Account >> >> Account Type: POP >> Description: Pacbell >> Email Address: pretentius@pacbell.net >> Full Name: ... >> Incoming Mail Server: postoffice.pacbell.net >> User Name: [probably] pretentius >> Password: ... >> Outgoing Mail Server: mail.pacbell.net >> >> Sigh. >> >> Kurt >> --- >> kwerle@pobox.com >> http://www.pobox.com/~kwerle/ >> Tired of spam? Control your Mailserver (or .forward)? >> http://tess.sf.net >> >> _______________________________________________ >> MacOSX-admin mailing list >> MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com >> http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin > > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-admin mailing list > MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin > > -- Aaron Kirkland DigiCut Systems 4324 South Mingo Road Tulsa, OK 74146 918.622.4725 918.622.5171 Fax akirkland@digicutsystems.com From lists at colorremedies.com Wed Oct 15 13:28:05 2003 From: lists at colorremedies.com (Chris Murphy) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:21 2005 Subject: MacOSX-admin digest, Vol 1 #1253 - 6 msgs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5C72391C-FF4D-11D7-8B04-0003934CBC52@colorremedies.com> Something must have hiccuped because these are the first emails I've seen from the list in two weeks or more. Chris Murphy On Wednesday, October 15, 2003, at 02:05 PM, Bob Kerstetter wrote: > BTW, I have no idea how my account on this list got reactivated. > Restoring from an old list, perhaps? > > > On Wednesday, Oct 15, 2003, at 14:21 US/Central, Kurt Werle wrote: > >>> Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 06:45:47 -0700 >>> Subject: My ISP doesn't support Mail.app. Claims Apple Won't Let It. >>> From: Pretentius >>> To: macosx-admin@omnigroup.com >>> >>> I was just on the phone with my ISP (SBCGlobal), trying to sort out a >>> mail account configuration problem, and was told that Apple won't LET >>> them support Mail.app. (The claim is that Apple gets support $ from >>> this approach,.) I find this hard to believe. Any wisdom on this? >> >> What jerks. I use pacbell just because they're the cheapest DSL for >> my needs. The following SHOULD work: >> Fire up Mail. >> Create a new Account >> >> Account Type: POP >> Description: Pacbell >> Email Address: pretentius@pacbell.net >> Full Name: ... >> Incoming Mail Server: postoffice.pacbell.net >> User Name: [probably] pretentius >> Password: ... >> Outgoing Mail Server: mail.pacbell.net >> >> Sigh. >> >> Kurt >> --- >> kwerle@pobox.com >> http://www.pobox.com/~kwerle/ >> Tired of spam? Control your Mailserver (or .forward)? >> http://tess.sf.net >> >> _______________________________________________ >> MacOSX-admin mailing list >> MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com >> http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin > > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-admin mailing list > MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin > > Chris Murphy Color Remedies (TM) www.colorremedies.com/realworldcolor --------------------------------------------------------- Co-author "Real World Color Management" Published by PeachPit Press (ISBN 0-201-77340-6) From bkerstetter at mac.com Wed Oct 15 13:36:46 2003 From: bkerstetter at mac.com (Bob Kerstetter) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:22 2005 Subject: MacOSX-admin digest, Vol 1 #1253 - 6 msgs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5E31371A-FF4E-11D7-BEF0-00039347476A@mac.com> Well, as much as I love you guys, I'm signing off again. Bye! Over and out! On Wednesday, Oct 15, 2003, at 15:18 US/Central, Aaron Kirkland wrote: > I have not received mail from this list in more than a year and i just > started getting mail a few minutes ago > > > On Wednesday, October 15, 2003, at 03:05 PM, Bob Kerstetter wrote: > >> BTW, I have no idea how my account on this list got reactivated. >> Restoring from an old list, perhaps? >> >> >> On Wednesday, Oct 15, 2003, at 14:21 US/Central, Kurt Werle wrote: >> >>>> Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 06:45:47 -0700 >>>> Subject: My ISP doesn't support Mail.app. Claims Apple Won't Let It. >>>> From: Pretentius >>>> To: macosx-admin@omnigroup.com >>>> >>>> I was just on the phone with my ISP (SBCGlobal), trying to sort out >>>> a >>>> mail account configuration problem, and was told that Apple won't >>>> LET >>>> them support Mail.app. (The claim is that Apple gets support $ from >>>> this approach,.) I find this hard to believe. Any wisdom on this? >>> >>> What jerks. I use pacbell just because they're the cheapest DSL for >>> my needs. The following SHOULD work: >>> Fire up Mail. >>> Create a new Account >>> >>> Account Type: POP >>> Description: Pacbell >>> Email Address: pretentius@pacbell.net >>> Full Name: ... >>> Incoming Mail Server: postoffice.pacbell.net >>> User Name: [probably] pretentius >>> Password: ... >>> Outgoing Mail Server: mail.pacbell.net >>> >>> Sigh. >>> >>> Kurt >>> --- >>> kwerle@pobox.com >>> http://www.pobox.com/~kwerle/ >>> Tired of spam? Control your Mailserver (or .forward)? >>> http://tess.sf.net >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> MacOSX-admin mailing list >>> MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com >>> http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin >> >> _______________________________________________ >> MacOSX-admin mailing list >> MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com >> http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin >> >> > > -- > Aaron Kirkland > DigiCut Systems > 4324 South Mingo Road > Tulsa, OK 74146 > 918.622.4725 > 918.622.5171 Fax > akirkland@digicutsystems.com > > > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-admin mailing list > MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin From osx_rand at mac.com Wed Oct 15 13:54:42 2003 From: osx_rand at mac.com (osx_rand) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:22 2005 Subject: My ISP doesn't support Mail.app. Claims Apple Won't Let It. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Agreed. As a service provider, I'd suggest letting them know how to fix this issue (when we fix it) and then let them know your moving to a service provider with a clue. fill us in with details. rand http://fastvibe.com On 15/10/2003, at 3:47 PM, Bill Leonard wrote: Let me chime in as a hosting provider, what are they telling you? It's all BS whatever it is. What kind of problem are you having with it and maybe I can help. Bill From mrmacman_g4 at mac.com Wed Oct 15 14:04:54 2003 From: mrmacman_g4 at mac.com (Kyle Moffett) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:22 2005 Subject: MacOSX-admin digest, Vol 1 #1253 - 6 msgs In-Reply-To: <5C72391C-FF4D-11D7-8B04-0003934CBC52@colorremedies.com> Message-ID: <365FB4DE-FF52-11D7-8737-000393ACC76E@mac.com> On Wednesday, Oct 15, 2003, at 16:22 US/Eastern, Chris Murphy wrote: > Something must have hiccuped because these are the first emails I've > seen from the list in two weeks or more. I know, me too. I checked on my subscription online, and it was ok, but no email. Cheers, Kyle Moffett From scott_ribe at killerbytes.com Wed Oct 15 16:20:02 2003 From: scott_ribe at killerbytes.com (Scott Ribe) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:22 2005 Subject: MacOSX-admin digest, Vol 1 #1253 - 6 msgs In-Reply-To: <5C72391C-FF4D-11D7-8B04-0003934CBC52@colorremedies.com> Message-ID: > Something must have hiccuped because these are the first emails I've > seen from the list in two weeks or more. It had been several days for me, so today I wrote the list admin, and now I'm getting mail again. -- Scott Ribe scott_ribe@killerbytes.com http://www.killerbytes.com/ (303) 665-7007 voice From scott at maxify.com Wed Oct 15 16:55:42 2003 From: scott at maxify.com (Scott Stevenson) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:22 2005 Subject: Test for macosx-admin: Wed 10.15.2003 Message-ID: <749B0918-FF6A-11D7-B1F7-003065CA9E5A@maxify.com> This a test to macosx-admin. If you are receiving this, macosx-admin has resumed normal operations and list subscribers can begin posting again. Best Regards, - Scott -- Tree House Ideas http://treehouseideas.com/ From david.mcrell at danetracks.com Wed Oct 15 17:16:02 2003 From: david.mcrell at danetracks.com (David McRell) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:22 2005 Subject: Delivery Options - Disabled Message-ID: I gather that I was not the only one who involuntarily missed the list for a week or so. -- David McRell, CTO, Danetracks, Inc. 7356 Santa Monica Blvd. West Hollywood, CA 90046 Tel 323-512-8160 Fax 323-512-8163 From scott at maxify.com Wed Oct 15 18:52:03 2003 From: scott at maxify.com (Scott Stevenson) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:22 2005 Subject: New Panther Server docs Message-ID: <34107DE8-FF7B-11D7-BA88-003065CA9E5A@maxify.com> It looks like somebody in documentation has been hard at work. This is exactly what was needed: http://www.apple.com/server/documentation/ It's also nice that we can finally start to talk about some of this new stuff in Panther. For example, optional case-sensitivity in HFS+, and 16TB of storage. :) Did I mention the admin tools are vastly improved? - Scott -- Tree House Ideas http://treehouseideas.com/ From aitkena at cbs.curtin.edu.au Wed Oct 15 21:52:07 2003 From: aitkena at cbs.curtin.edu.au (Dr Ashley Aitken) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:22 2005 Subject: Help: Throttling Classic ...? Message-ID: Howdy All, On my PowerBook working in an application in Classic (yes, I know I shouldn't but I still do) drives the CPU usage to 100% (probably because of all that polling going on) and eventually the fan to come on. I've never noticed this 100% CPU usage in Classic before but now that I look I see it happens on other machines as well, I just don't get annoyed by the fan coming on. So what can I do to throttle Classic (it would work fine at half the speed for what I am doing) so that it doesn't use all the CPU and overheat the machine? I've thought of putting the processor on the "Reduced" power setting - but, of course, that brings the whole system down a notch. I've thought of using "nice" on truebluevironment, but that would only slow Classic if other apps were competing for the CPU (I believe). Any suggestions or ideas? Thanks in advance, Ashley. From shoop at iWiring.Net Wed Oct 15 23:06:41 2003 From: shoop at iWiring.Net (Dan Shoop) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:22 2005 Subject: Help: Throttling Classic ...? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 12:46 PM +0800 10/16/03, Dr Ashley Aitken wrote: >Howdy All, > >On my PowerBook working in an application in Classic (yes, I know I >shouldn't but I still do) drives the CPU usage to 100% (probably because of >all that polling going on) and eventually the fan to come on. > >I've never noticed this 100% CPU usage in Classic before but now that I look >I see it happens on other machines as well, I just don't get annoyed by the >fan coming on. > >So what can I do to throttle Classic (it would work fine at half the speed >for what I am doing) so that it doesn't use all the CPU and overheat the >machine? > >I've thought of putting the processor on the "Reduced" power setting - but, >of course, that brings the whole system down a notch. > >I've thought of using "nice" on truebluevironment, but that would only slow >Classic if other apps were competing for the CPU (I believe). > >Any suggestions or ideas? Unfortunately the process scheduler on the Mac seems to allocate cycles according to it's own schemes in order to effectively grant real time processes needed cycles. So nice doesn't have the effects you;d expect under OS X. And as you point out, if you have the free cycles anyway, nice would still allocate them to Classic. But it sounds like the driving goal is to keep the fan off, which isn't a real performance goal anyway. I'd suggest instead trying to find a way to keep your PB cooler, like reduce the ambient room temperature or put a cooling plate under the notebook. -dhan +------------------------------------------------------------------------+ Dan Shoop shoop@iwiring.net Consulting Internet Architect shoop@mac.com AIM: iWiring pgp key fingerprint: FAC0 9434 B5A5 24A8 D0AF 12B1 7840 3BE7 3736 DE0B iWiring designs and supports Internet systems and networks based on OS X unix(tm), and Open Source technologies. How can we help you today? Dan Shoop will be speaking at the O'Reilly & Associates Mac OS X Conference See http://conferences.oreillynet.com/macosx2003/ for details From aitkena at cbs.curtin.edu.au Thu Oct 16 01:27:53 2003 From: aitkena at cbs.curtin.edu.au (Ashley Aitken) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:22 2005 Subject: Help: Airport down after reboot ... Message-ID: Howdy All, Everytime I reboot (and there are times when it is needed, and unfortunately not all due to software update) our OS X Server machine, I find I have to recreate the Airport network and set the WEP string again on the server (for the computer to computer network not a base station). Is this supposed to happen (perhaps a security feature) or is something wrong? I do have BrickHouse firewall running, but this is for the ADSL connection not the "internal" Airport network. As well, this is not about connecting to the computer to computer network (the other computers connect automatically if the server has created the network) but creating it. Can I create this Airport network with a startup script or in a configuration files somewhere? Thanks in advance for any tips. Cheers, Ashley. From kremels at kreme.com Thu Oct 16 02:08:34 2003 From: kremels at kreme.com (Lukreme) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:22 2005 Subject: MacOSX-admin digest, Vol 1 #1253 - 6 msgs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <600983CE-FFB6-11D7-A226-000A95935598@kreme.com> On 15 Oct 2003, at 14:05, Bob Kerstetter wrote: > BTW, I have no idea how my account on this list got reactivated. > Restoring from an old list, perhaps? The old Apple Lisa that the list runs on caught fire and exploded, so yes, they restored from a backup. -- In other news, Gandalf died. -- Secret Diary of Boromir From kremels at kreme.com Thu Oct 16 02:22:33 2003 From: kremels at kreme.com (Lukreme) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:22 2005 Subject: My ISP doesn't support Mail.app. Claims Apple Won't Let It. In-Reply-To: <42393C99-FF43-11D7-B5C4-000A959A0D5A@mac.com> References: <200310151902.h9FJ2uVp007183@slowbro.omnigroup.com> <42393C99-FF43-11D7-B5C4-000A959A0D5A@mac.com> Message-ID: <2656BAD8-FFB6-11D7-A226-000A95935598@kreme.com> On 15 Oct 2003, at 13:10, osx_rand wrote: > Most likely they are full of it. Most Likely? The only way I can think that a mailserver would not support Mail.app is if it required Outlook to connect to an Exchange server. Mail.app is VERY compatible with mailservers, and supports the right types of SMTP-Auth. > I was just on the phone with my ISP (SBCGlobal), trying to sort out a > mail account configuration problem, and was told that Apple won't LET > them support Mail.app. That is a bald-faced lie and I would tell them so. I certainly have never asked Apple for permission to support mail.app on my ISP. > (The claim is that Apple gets support $ from this approach) Another lie. Don't be afraid to tell the phone-grunt that they are lying to you. Ask for specific reasons. If they still balk, then get the settings for Eudora. -- Instant karma's gonna get you From thomas at elements.dk Thu Oct 16 06:03:01 2003 From: thomas at elements.dk (Thomas von Hassel) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:22 2005 Subject: Problems with InDesign and printing to PS files with specific PPD Message-ID: Hey ya'll I have a problems with one of our machines. After switching drives on it and restoring it using Carbon Copy Cloner all PPD's from InDesigns PPD menu when trying to print to a PS file are gone ..all thats left is the device independent option. Is there anything i can do do get them back ? ...all printers using the PPD (in print center) are fine. /thomas From cmorillo at kinkaid.org Thu Oct 16 08:40:01 2003 From: cmorillo at kinkaid.org (Crystal Morillo) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:22 2005 Subject: Lost ownership when restoring from TAR files? Message-ID: <3F8EBBC2.7000102@kinkaid.org> Hello all, I have an OS X server (10.2.8) which RAID array I had to reformat in order to use the HFS+ Journaled filesystem. In preparation for this, I tarred up the entire contents onto an external FireWire drive (85 Gigs in 40 minutes!), then re-initialized the raid, then untarred the contents of the tar file back onto the array. After it was done, I checked the contents on the RAID and found that it had changed all the owners and groups to "admin" and "staff". (Insert expletives here) I tried untarring again, but it had a problem finding the header of the tar file so it was taking too long. Being our only file server, I didn't want to leave it down too long while I troubleshot so I simply went through and corrected the owners and groups. Has anyone else experienced lost ownership when restoring from tarred files?? The *only* thing I can speculate is that - at the same time - the LDAP server that contains our user authentication information went down, so none of the uids would have resolved to valid users. However, my previous experience with RH Linux and tar says that tar will preserve the uid's even if no valid user exists. I'm using tar and a firewire drive to do backups with, so I don't relish the idea of my backups always needing to have the the ownership corrected. Anyone have any ideas or suggestions on what I might be looking for or how to avoid this problem in the future? FYI, my users haven't reported any data loss, just an occasional messed up ownership when I missed a folder. TIA, Crystal Morillo System Administrator The Kinkaid School From waltd at wdstudio.com Thu Oct 16 08:57:52 2003 From: waltd at wdstudio.com (Walter Lee Davis) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:22 2005 Subject: Lost ownership when restoring from TAR files? In-Reply-To: <3F8EBBC2.7000102@kinkaid.org> Message-ID: <376C055A-FFF0-11D7-9F78-000393C48A5C@wdstudio.com> Apple-I on the FireWire drive while it is mounted on the server. Under the Ownership and permissions portion of the Info panel, see if "ignore ownership on this volume" is checked or unchecked. That *shouldn't* have anything to do with tar, but you never know. Did you untar from that volume, or copy the tarball to the new drive and untar there? Walter On Thursday, October 16, 2003, at 11:39 AM, Crystal Morillo wrote: > Hello all, > > I have an OS X server (10.2.8) which RAID array I had to reformat in > order to use the HFS+ Journaled filesystem. In preparation for this, I > tarred up the entire contents onto an external FireWire drive (85 Gigs > in 40 minutes!), then re-initialized the raid, then untarred the > contents of the tar file back onto the array. After it was done, I > checked the contents on the RAID and found that it had changed all the > owners and groups to "admin" and "staff". (Insert expletives here) > I tried untarring again, but it had a problem finding the header of > the tar file so it was taking too long. Being our only file server, I > didn't want to leave it down too long while I troubleshot so I simply > went through and corrected the owners and groups. > > Has anyone else experienced lost ownership when restoring from tarred > files?? > > The *only* thing I can speculate is that - at the same time - the LDAP > server that contains our user authentication information went down, so > none of the uids would have resolved to valid users. However, my > previous experience with RH Linux and tar says that tar will preserve > the uid's even if no valid user exists. > > I'm using tar and a firewire drive to do backups with, so I don't > relish the idea of my backups always needing to have the the ownership > corrected. Anyone have any ideas or suggestions on what I might be > looking for or how to avoid this problem in the future? FYI, my users > haven't reported any data loss, just an occasional messed up ownership > when I missed a folder. > > TIA, > > Crystal Morillo > System Administrator > The Kinkaid School > > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-admin mailing list > MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin From schreian at bc.edu Thu Oct 16 09:08:32 2003 From: schreian at bc.edu (Tony Schreiner) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:22 2005 Subject: Lost ownership when restoring from TAR files? In-Reply-To: <3F8EBBC2.7000102@kinkaid.org> Message-ID: <6067C826-FFF1-11D7-90CA-000A95686418@bc.edu> Only root can extract tar files with the original owner. use sudo tar -xvf tarfile On Thursday, October 16, 2003, at 11:39 AM, Crystal Morillo wrote: > Hello all, > > I have an OS X server (10.2.8) which RAID array I had to reformat in > order to use the HFS+ Journaled filesystem. In preparation for this, I > tarred up the entire contents onto an external FireWire drive (85 Gigs > in 40 minutes!), then re-initialized the raid, then untarred the > contents of the tar file back onto the array. After it was done, I > checked the contents on the RAID and found that it had changed all the > owners and groups to "admin" and "staff". (Insert expletives here) > I tried untarring again, but it had a problem finding the header of > the tar file so it was taking too long. Being our only file server, I > didn't want to leave it down too long while I troubleshot so I simply > went through and corrected the owners and groups. > > Has anyone else experienced lost ownership when restoring from tarred > files?? > > The *only* thing I can speculate is that - at the same time - the LDAP > server that contains our user authentication information went down, so > none of the uids would have resolved to valid users. However, my > previous experience with RH Linux and tar says that tar will preserve > the uid's even if no valid user exists. > > I'm using tar and a firewire drive to do backups with, so I don't > relish the idea of my backups always needing to have the the ownership > corrected. Anyone have any ideas or suggestions on what I might be > looking for or how to avoid this problem in the future? FYI, my users > haven't reported any data loss, just an occasional messed up ownership > when I missed a folder. > > TIA, > > Crystal Morillo > System Administrator > The Kinkaid School > > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-admin mailing list > MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin From pretentius at pacbell.net Thu Oct 16 09:20:59 2003 From: pretentius at pacbell.net (Pretentius) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:22 2005 Subject: My ISP doesn't support Mail.app. Claims Apple Won't Let It. In-Reply-To: <2656BAD8-FFB6-11D7-A226-000A95935598@kreme.com> Message-ID: Thanks to all who responded on this. The problem I was having was a stupid error in settings for the outgoing server and had been solved at the time I wrote. To clear up one point: I wasn't told that Mail.app wouldn't work (it clearly does), but that Apple would not allow SBCGlobal to give customer support for it, i.e. to have support personnel walk customers through account settings. The reason given was that Apple would thereby lose money (fewer AppleCare customers or somesuch). -- Pretentius From mstearne at entermix.com Thu Oct 16 09:55:49 2003 From: mstearne at entermix.com (Michael Stearne) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:22 2005 Subject: G4 450/500 Stock Drive? Message-ID: <3F8ECA07.3040707@entermix.com> Does anyone have one of the IBM Deskstar 27GB hard drives that came with the AGP G4 tower from a few years ago? I just fried the drive from a power surge and would like to attempt to repair it by using an identical drive. Or does anyone know of an inexpensive drive rebuilder? The data is kind of important to me, but not worth spending $1000 on. Thanks, Michael Stearne From milov at cslab.uwlax.edu Thu Oct 16 09:58:37 2003 From: milov at cslab.uwlax.edu (Milo Velimirovic) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:22 2005 Subject: Lost ownership when restoring from TAR files? In-Reply-To: <6067C826-FFF1-11D7-90CA-000A95686418@bc.edu> Message-ID: Crystal, Also add the p option. From the tar man page: -p Preserve user id, group id, file mode, access and modifica- tion times if possible. The user id and group id will only be set if the user is the superuser (unless these values correspond to the user's user and group ids). Good luck, Milo On Thursday, October 16, 2003, at 10:57 AM, Tony Schreiner wrote: > Only root can extract tar files with the original owner. > > use > > sudo tar -xvf tarfile > > On Thursday, October 16, 2003, at 11:39 AM, Crystal Morillo wrote: > >> Hello all, >> >> I have an OS X server (10.2.8) which RAID array I had to reformat in >> order to use the HFS+ Journaled filesystem. In preparation for this, >> I tarred up the entire contents onto an external FireWire drive (85 >> Gigs in 40 minutes!), then re-initialized the raid, then untarred the >> contents of the tar file back onto the array. After it was done, I >> checked the contents on the RAID and found that it had changed all >> the owners and groups to "admin" and "staff". (Insert expletives >> here) >> I tried untarring again, but it had a problem finding the header of >> the tar file so it was taking too long. Being our only file server, I >> didn't want to leave it down too long while I troubleshot so I simply >> went through and corrected the owners and groups. >> >> Has anyone else experienced lost ownership when restoring from tarred >> files?? >> >> The *only* thing I can speculate is that - at the same time - the >> LDAP server that contains our user authentication information went >> down, so none of the uids would have resolved to valid users. >> However, my previous experience with RH Linux and tar says that tar >> will preserve the uid's even if no valid user exists. >> >> I'm using tar and a firewire drive to do backups with, so I don't >> relish the idea of my backups always needing to have the the >> ownership corrected. Anyone have any ideas or suggestions on what I >> might be looking for or how to avoid this problem in the future? FYI, >> my users haven't reported any data loss, just an occasional messed up >> ownership when I missed a folder. >> >> TIA, >> >> Crystal Morillo >> System Administrator >> The Kinkaid School >> >> _______________________________________________ >> MacOSX-admin mailing list >> MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com >> http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin > > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-admin mailing list > MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin > > Milo Velimirovic Unix Computer Network Administrator University of Wisconsin - La Crosse La Crosse, Wisconsin 54601 USA 43 48 05 N 91 14 22 W There are 10 different types of people in the world. Those who can read binary and those who can't. From bill at celestial.com Thu Oct 16 10:23:05 2003 From: bill at celestial.com (Bill Campbell) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:22 2005 Subject: My ISP doesn't support Mail.app. Claims Apple Won't Let It. In-Reply-To: References: <2656BAD8-FFB6-11D7-A226-000A95935598@kreme.com> Message-ID: <20031016170907.GA64842@alexis.mi.celestial.com> On Thu, Oct 16, 2003, Pretentius wrote: >Thanks to all who responded on this. The problem I was having was a >stupid error in settings for the outgoing server and had been solved at >the time I wrote. > >To clear up one point: I wasn't told that Mail.app wouldn't work (it >clearly does), but that Apple would not allow SBCGlobal to give >customer support for it, i.e. to have support personnel walk customers >through account settings. The reason given was that Apple would thereby >lose money (fewer AppleCare customers or somesuch). That too is absolute Bovine Defacation! Apple could restrict use of their own copyrighted training materials, but there's no way they could prevent others from using their own materials or provide support. Bill -- INTERNET: bill@Celestial.COM Bill Campbell; Celestial Systems, Inc. UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX: (206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul -- George Bernard Shaw From chad+macosx at objectwerks.com Thu Oct 16 11:27:45 2003 From: chad+macosx at objectwerks.com (Chad Leigh -- ObjectWerks Inc.) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:22 2005 Subject: Lost ownership when restoring from TAR files? In-Reply-To: <3F8EBBC2.7000102@kinkaid.org> Message-ID: <405BACE8-0004-11D8-90A1-003065A70D30@objectwerks.com> On Thursday, October 16, 2003, at 09:39 AM, Crystal Morillo wrote: > Hello all, > > I have an OS X server (10.2.8) which RAID array I had to reformat in > order to use the HFS+ Journaled filesystem. In preparation for this, I > tarred up the entire contents onto an external FireWire drive (85 Gigs > in 40 minutes!), then re-initialized the raid, then untarred the > contents of the tar file back onto the array. After it was done, I > checked the contents on the RAID and found that it had changed all the > owners and groups to "admin" and "staff". (Insert expletives here) > I tried untarring again, but it had a problem finding the header of > the tar file so it was taking too long. Being our only file server, I > didn't want to leave it down too long while I troubleshot so I simply > went through and corrected the owners and groups. There is, I believe, a flag -p to tar that says to store and restore permissions when used on both end (ie making and using the tar) Chad From chad+macosx at objectwerks.com Thu Oct 16 11:42:53 2003 From: chad+macosx at objectwerks.com (Chad Leigh -- ObjectWerks Inc.) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:22 2005 Subject: My ISP doesn't support Mail.app. Claims Apple Won't Let It. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <791F1D6C-0004-11D8-90A1-003065A70D30@objectwerks.com> On Thursday, October 16, 2003, at 10:15 AM, Pretentius wrote: > Thanks to all who responded on this. The problem I was having was a > stupid error in settings for the outgoing server and had been solved > at the time I wrote. > > To clear up one point: I wasn't told that Mail.app wouldn't work (it > clearly does), but that Apple would not allow SBCGlobal to give > customer support for it, i.e. to have support personnel walk customers > through account settings. The reason given was that Apple would > thereby lose money (fewer AppleCare customers or somesuch). > Still a load of Bull Chad From david.mcrell at danetracks.com Thu Oct 16 11:46:52 2003 From: david.mcrell at danetracks.com (David McRell) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:22 2005 Subject: TAR - Resource Forks Message-ID: On the subject of tar, Darwin commands, like tar or ls, ignore resource forks. Is there any flag or trick to get tar to include the clandestine */rsrc path? Thanks -- David McRell, CTO, Danetracks, Inc. 7356 Santa Monica Blvd. West Hollywood, CA 90046 Tel 323-512-8160 Fax 323-512-8163 From mbp at csr-bos.com Thu Oct 16 11:53:24 2003 From: mbp at csr-bos.com (Mark Palmerino) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:22 2005 Subject: Help needed connecting a Windows machine to an Apple Server Message-ID: <9CD5B512-0007-11D8-AA2A-000393DB9D1E@csr-bos.com> Hi, This may not be precisely on point for this list, but I'm hoping someone can give me some quick pointers... I'm working with a company that has a Mac running one of the initial versions of Mac OS X server (release 1.2). They would like to be able to have an individual who has a windows machine (I think windows XP) be able to access the server. I guess I'm hoping for pointers and suggestions that I can relay to this individual that will help them hook up. For example, is any special software required (PC Maclan, for example) or is it possible to configure windows to do this? Are there other software solutions (shareware, freeware, etc.) that might help? Another complication that may be relevant - this user is remote and will be accessing the server through a DSL router which has a port forwarded to the server machine. Any pointers will be greatly appreciated! Thanks, Mark From wh72 at cornell.edu Thu Oct 16 12:49:15 2003 From: wh72 at cornell.edu (William Hatch) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:22 2005 Subject: AFP issues with Netware Message-ID: Hi, I have one 10.2.8 client on the network that consistently crashes when trying to access an AFP share of a windows box running NetWare. Now, the odd thing is that the same client can connect under a different user account (on the local OSX machine) without any problem. I'm trying to determine where to start trouble shooting this. Any suggestion are, as always, greatly appreciated. Thanks. -- William Hatch Eng. Visual Media Collection Cornell Lab of Ornithology Macaulay Library Voice (607) 254-2116 Fax (607) 254-2439 From list-omnigroup at fsck.net Thu Oct 16 12:57:18 2003 From: list-omnigroup at fsck.net (Eugene Lee) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:22 2005 Subject: TAR - Resource Forks In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20031016192617.GE19636@localhost.Earthlink.net> On Thu, Oct 16, 2003 at 11:32:44AM -0700, David McRell wrote: : : On the subject of tar, Darwin commands, like tar or ls, ignore resource : forks. : : Is there any flag or trick to get tar to include the clandestine */rsrc : path? AFAIK, no. Unless otherwise specified, it is fairly safe to assume that all standard Unix commands ignore resource forks. -- Eugene Lee http://www.coxar.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/ From fabienlroy at mac.com Thu Oct 16 13:32:46 2003 From: fabienlroy at mac.com (Fabien Roy) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:22 2005 Subject: TAR - Resource Forks In-Reply-To: <20031016192617.GE19636@localhost.Earthlink.net> Message-ID: hfstar (based on gnutar) and hfspax (based on pax) can archive and restore resource forks along with the associated metadata. See: On Thursday, Oct 16, 2003, at 12:26 America/Los_Angeles, Eugene Lee wrote: > On Thu, Oct 16, 2003 at 11:32:44AM -0700, David McRell wrote: > : > : On the subject of tar, Darwin commands, like tar or ls, ignore > resource > : forks. > : > : Is there any flag or trick to get tar to include the clandestine > */rsrc > : path? > > AFAIK, no. Unless otherwise specified, it is fairly safe to assume > that > all standard Unix commands ignore resource forks. > > > -- > Eugene Lee > http://www.coxar.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/ > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-admin mailing list > MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin > From shoop at iWiring.Net Thu Oct 16 14:00:04 2003 From: shoop at iWiring.Net (Dan Shoop) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:22 2005 Subject: Lost ownership when restoring from TAR files? In-Reply-To: <6067C826-FFF1-11D7-90CA-000A95686418@bc.edu> References: <6067C826-FFF1-11D7-90CA-000A95686418@bc.edu> Message-ID: At 11:57 AM -0400 10/16/03, Tony Schreiner wrote: >Only root can extract tar files with the original owner. > >use > >sudo tar -xvf tarfile Also be aware that tar and gnutar do not preserve resource forks. Use hfstar or Xtar instead. (and as pointed out look at the -p qualifier) Onwership of the drive containing the tarball is irrelevant. -dhan +------------------------------------------------------------------------+ Dan Shoop shoop@iwiring.net Consulting Internet Architect shoop@mac.com AIM: iWiring pgp key fingerprint: FAC0 9434 B5A5 24A8 D0AF 12B1 7840 3BE7 3736 DE0B iWiring designs and supports Internet systems and networks based on OS X unix(tm), and Open Source technologies. How can we help you today? Dan Shoop will be speaking at the O'Reilly & Associates Mac OS X Conference See http://conferences.oreillynet.com/macosx2003/ for details From list-omnigroup at fsck.net Thu Oct 16 14:08:40 2003 From: list-omnigroup at fsck.net (Eugene Lee) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:22 2005 Subject: TAR - Resource Forks In-Reply-To: References: <20031016192617.GE19636@localhost.Earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20031016210021.GC382@localhost> On Thu, Oct 16, 2003 at 01:04:47PM -0700, Fabien Roy wrote: : Eugene Lee wrote: : >David McRell wrote: : >: : >: On the subject of tar, Darwin commands, like tar or ls, ignore : >: resource forks. : >: : >: Is there any flag or trick to get tar to include the clandestine : >: */rsrc path? : > : >AFAIK, no. Unless otherwise specified, it is fairly safe to assume : >that all standard Unix commands ignore resource forks. : : hfstar (based on gnutar) and hfspax (based on pax) can archive and : restore resource forks along with the associated metadata. I figured David McRell already knew this --- or for the purposes of doing backups was at least aware of ditto and CpMac --- since he did mention non-backup commands like "ls". -- Eugene Lee http://www.coxar.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/ From conrad at yoders.org Thu Oct 16 15:21:55 2003 From: conrad at yoders.org (Conrad G T Yoder) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:22 2005 Subject: TAR - Resource Forks In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At 10/16/03 4:04 PM -0400, Fabien Roy wrote: > > hfstar (based on gnutar) and hfspax (based on pax) can archive and > restore resource forks along with the associated metadata. Where is hfstar located? I've scoured my HDs and can't seem to locate it. TIA. -Conrad From cmorillo at kinkaid.org Thu Oct 16 15:44:48 2003 From: cmorillo at kinkaid.org (Crystal Morillo) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:22 2005 Subject: Help needed connecting a Windows machine to an Apple Server In-Reply-To: <9CD5B512-0007-11D8-AA2A-000393DB9D1E@csr-bos.com> References: <9CD5B512-0007-11D8-AA2A-000393DB9D1E@csr-bos.com> Message-ID: <3F8F1CCD.3060106@kinkaid.org> This may or may not be sufficient for what you are looking for, but I just have my Windows users use sftp, especially from home connections. ssh.com even offers a free ssh client (at least for educational institutions): ftp://ftp.ssh.com/pub/ssh/ The gui interface on that client is sufficiently "Windows like" that most users have no problem understanding how to use it. Hope that helps. C. Mark Palmerino wrote: > Hi, > > This may not be precisely on point for this list, but I'm hoping > someone can give me some quick pointers... > > I'm working with a company that has a Mac running one of the initial > versions of Mac OS X server (release 1.2). They would like to be able > to have an individual who has a windows machine (I think windows XP) > be able to access the server. > > I guess I'm hoping for pointers and suggestions that I can relay to > this individual that will help them hook up. For example, is any > special software required (PC Maclan, for example) or is it possible > to configure windows to do this? Are there other software solutions > (shareware, freeware, etc.) that might help? > > Another complication that may be relevant - this user is remote and > will be accessing the server through a DSL router which has a port > forwarded to the server machine. > > Any pointers will be greatly appreciated! > > Thanks, > > Mark > > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-admin mailing list > MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /mailman/archive/macosx-admin/attachments/20031016/086851d1/attachment.html From kremels at kreme.com Thu Oct 16 16:08:36 2003 From: kremels at kreme.com (Lukreme) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:22 2005 Subject: TAR - Resource Forks In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <55CC762E-002B-11D8-9DAF-000A95935598@kreme.com> On 16 Oct 2003, at 15:56, Conrad G T Yoder wrote: > At 10/16/03 4:04 PM -0400, Fabien Roy wrote: >> >> hfstar (based on gnutar) and hfspax (based on pax) can archive and >> restore resource forks along with the associated metadata. > > Where is hfstar located? I've scoured my HDs and can't seem to locate > it. -- Though it's cold and lonely in the deep dark night I can see paradise by the dashboard light. From cmorillo at kinkaid.org Thu Oct 16 16:36:09 2003 From: cmorillo at kinkaid.org (Crystal Morillo) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:22 2005 Subject: Lost ownership when restoring from TAR files? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3F8F1B1C.1020908@kinkaid.org> Thank you to all who replied. I think I just extracted the archive as admin instead of root, which messed up ownership. Regardless, I won't be using tar as a backup mechanism anymore because of resource forks. Apple Support recommended hdiutil, so I'm scanning the man pages now. Thanks! Crystal Milo Velimirovic wrote: > Crystal, > > Also add the p option. From the tar man page: > > -p Preserve user id, group id, file mode, access and > modifica- > tion times if possible. The user id and group id > will only > be set if the user is the superuser (unless these > values > correspond to the user's user and group ids). > > Good luck, > Milo > > On Thursday, October 16, 2003, at 10:57 AM, Tony Schreiner wrote: > >> Only root can extract tar files with the original owner. >> >> use >> >> sudo tar -xvf tarfile >> >> On Thursday, October 16, 2003, at 11:39 AM, Crystal Morillo wrote: >> >>> Hello all, >>> >>> I have an OS X server (10.2.8) which RAID array I had to reformat in >>> order to use the HFS+ Journaled filesystem. In preparation for this, >>> I tarred up the entire contents onto an external FireWire drive (85 >>> Gigs in 40 minutes!), then re-initialized the raid, then untarred >>> the contents of the tar file back onto the array. After it was done, >>> I checked the contents on the RAID and found that it had changed all >>> the owners and groups to "admin" and "staff". (Insert expletives here) >>> I tried untarring again, but it had a problem finding the header of >>> the tar file so it was taking too long. Being our only file server, >>> I didn't want to leave it down too long while I troubleshot so I >>> simply went through and corrected the owners and groups. >>> >>> Has anyone else experienced lost ownership when restoring from >>> tarred files?? >>> >>> The *only* thing I can speculate is that - at the same time - the >>> LDAP server that contains our user authentication information went >>> down, so none of the uids would have resolved to valid users. >>> However, my previous experience with RH Linux and tar says that tar >>> will preserve the uid's even if no valid user exists. >>> >>> I'm using tar and a firewire drive to do backups with, so I don't >>> relish the idea of my backups always needing to have the the >>> ownership corrected. Anyone have any ideas or suggestions on what I >>> might be looking for or how to avoid this problem in the future? >>> FYI, my users haven't reported any data loss, just an occasional >>> messed up ownership when I missed a folder. >>> >>> TIA, >>> >>> Crystal Morillo >>> System Administrator >>> The Kinkaid School >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> MacOSX-admin mailing list >>> MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com >>> http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> MacOSX-admin mailing list >> MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com >> http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin >> >> > Milo Velimirovic > Unix Computer Network Administrator > University of Wisconsin - La Crosse > La Crosse, Wisconsin 54601 USA 43 48 05 N 91 14 22 W > > There are 10 different types of people in the world. > Those who can read binary and those who can't. > > > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-admin mailing list > MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin From fabienlroy at mac.com Thu Oct 16 17:23:15 2003 From: fabienlroy at mac.com (Fabien Roy) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:22 2005 Subject: TAR - Resource Forks In-Reply-To: Message-ID: It's on . Last item on the page. Fabien On Thursday, Oct 16, 2003, at 14:56 America/Los_Angeles, Conrad G T Yoder wrote: > At 10/16/03 4:04 PM -0400, Fabien Roy wrote: >> >> hfstar (based on gnutar) and hfspax (based on pax) can archive and >> restore resource forks along with the associated metadata. > > Where is hfstar located? I've scoured my HDs and can't seem to locate > it. > TIA. > > -Conrad > From fabienlroy at mac.com Thu Oct 16 19:18:41 2003 From: fabienlroy at mac.com (Fabien Roy) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:22 2005 Subject: Lost ownership when restoring from TAR files? In-Reply-To: <3F8F1B1C.1020908@kinkaid.org> Message-ID: Please give hfstar, Xtar or hfspax a try. hfstar _IS_ patched gnutar. An educated choice is IMHO a good thing. Fabien On Thursday, Oct 16, 2003, at 15:26 America/Los_Angeles, Crystal Morillo wrote: > Thank you to all who replied. I think I just extracted the archive as > admin instead of root, which messed up ownership. > Regardless, I won't be using tar as a backup mechanism anymore because > of resource forks. Apple Support recommended hdiutil, so I'm scanning > the man pages now. > > Thanks! > > Crystal From conrad at yoders.org Thu Oct 16 21:39:05 2003 From: conrad at yoders.org (Conrad G T Yoder) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:22 2005 Subject: monitor not working at startup Message-ID: <000801c39466$7af7c8a0$a59eadd1@BigBlueX1000> I just switched my monitor settings from 1280x1024 to 1600x1200 (both at 85Hz). I have the verbose mode (boot-args=-v in nvram) at startup turned on. Everything was fine when I was at 1280x1024, but after switching (I think), now the monitor will not show the initial gray on gray apple screen or the text (it does work fine once it gets to the aqua screen), and the monitor (Sony GPD-E540 20") reports on screen: Monitor is working Input: 31.5kHz/40Hz Out of Scan Range Change Signal Timing So, is there any way to get this working again without going back to the old resolution? Mac config: 10.2.8, PowerMac dual 1GHz ("Mirrored Drive Doors"). TIA. -Conrad From adam at coretech.net.au Thu Oct 16 22:27:39 2003 From: adam at coretech.net.au (Adam Dennis) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:22 2005 Subject: xserve reboots Message-ID: Hi, We're running an original xserve 1Ghz single processor with OS X Server 10.2.8. Boot Rom is 4.4.4f1. 1.2GB RAM (800MB free) and generally 90% idle. Over the past three weeks our machine has been rebooting itself and failing to startup properly (can ping but not ssh in). A hard reboot by physically pushing the power button works but I can't determine what is causing the hangs/reboots in the first place. Watchdog, hwmond and system logs do not show anything except large gaps in the system logs before the hard reboot. Any helpful pointers/ advice much appreciated. tia adam. From adam at coretech.net.au Thu Oct 16 22:53:06 2003 From: adam at coretech.net.au (Adam Dennis) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:22 2005 Subject: xserve reboots Message-ID: Hi, We're running an original xserve 1Ghz single processor with OS X Server 10.2.8. Boot Rom is 4.4.4f1. 1.2GB RAM (800MB free) and generally 90% idle. Over the past three weeks our machine has been rebooting itself and failing to startup properly (can ping but not ssh in). A hard reboot by physically pushing the power button works but I can't determine what is causing the hangs/reboots in the first place. Watchdog, hwmond and system logs do not show anything except large gaps in the system logs before the hard reboot. Any helpful pointers/ advice much appreciated. tia adam. From sanguish at digifix.com Thu Oct 16 23:46:39 2003 From: sanguish at digifix.com (Scott Anguish) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:22 2005 Subject: TAR - Resource Forks In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Oct 16, 2003, at 4:04 PM, Fabien Roy wrote: > hfstar (based on gnutar) and hfspax (based on pax) can archive and > restore resource forks along with the associated metadata. > > I've been longing for a gnutar syntax compatible tool that creates or extracts files from a .dmg file, thus preserving the HFS aspects if present. From scott at maxify.com Thu Oct 16 23:58:22 2003 From: scott at maxify.com (Scott Stevenson) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:22 2005 Subject: xserve reboots In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1411B92C-006D-11D8-9039-003065CA9E5A@maxify.com> On Thursday, October 16, 2003, at 10:28 PM, Adam Dennis wrote: > Watchdog, hwmond and system logs do not show anything except large > gaps in the system logs before the hard reboot. Any chance you're running out of disk space? - Scott From alec at worldoftomorrow.net Fri Oct 17 10:47:03 2003 From: alec at worldoftomorrow.net (Alec Bartsch) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:22 2005 Subject: Disabling autologin Message-ID: <467F634A-00C8-11D8-9F5B-000393671B64@worldoftomorrow.net> Is there a way to disable the automatic login preference from the command line? I have a machine that's hanging at login, and I need to start up in single-user mode and turn that off so that I can log in as a different user. I've scoured every .plist I can think of... ____________________________________ Alec Bartsch Lookdev Supervisor, "The World of Tomorrow" From phlcarp at acm.org Fri Oct 17 10:53:49 2003 From: phlcarp at acm.org (phil) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:22 2005 Subject: my account on this list got reactivated Message-ID: <0748EA91-0070-11D8-B1AE-000A95BA5FF2@acm.org> My account on this list had also been deactivated after digest 1195 and has been reactivated with digest 1253 I shall not complain of that, I missed this list... But what happens, and how to avoid this later ? Thanks Philippe Lecarpentier University of Rouen phlcarp@acm.org OsX_admin_1254 : 5 Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 15:05:46 -0500 From: Bob Kerstetter BTW, I have no idea how my account on this list got reactivated. Restoring from an old list, perhaps? -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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So let me revise my question: The defaults command seems to give me access to the defaults in the user's domain, but not the system domain. Is there a way to do want I want with the defaults command, or must I hack the .plist directly? Thanks, Alec ____________________________________ Alec Bartsch Lookdev Supervisor, "The World of Tomorrow" From k.w.f.wik at usit.uio.no Fri Oct 17 11:20:07 2003 From: k.w.f.wik at usit.uio.no (Klaus Wik) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:22 2005 Subject: not /usr/sbin/system_profiler Message-ID: I need to find out if a computer is a laptop or desktop model but system_profiler is a little overkill and unstable for that so: Is there another command that I can use from CLI to see what computer I am currently abusing? -- Klaus Wik From osten2 at itab.com Fri Oct 17 11:33:50 2003 From: osten2 at itab.com (OSX) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:22 2005 Subject: create Win .zip files from the command line? Message-ID: Will any of the Unix compression tools, on OS X, create .zip files that Windows can decompress? Can Stuffit be run from the command line? Thanks From root at nimug.org Fri Oct 17 11:37:42 2003 From: root at nimug.org (root@nimug.org) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:22 2005 Subject: New Panther Server docs In-Reply-To: <34107DE8-FF7B-11D7-BA88-003065CA9E5A@maxify.com> Message-ID: <29110AE1-0097-11D8-8790-000A95C4E5FE@nimug.org> On Thursday, October 16, 2003, at 02:51 AM, Scott Stevenson wrote: > It looks like somebody in documentation has been hard at work. This is > exactly what was needed: Are these the full docs or excerpts? > It's also nice that we can finally start to talk about some of this > new stuff in Panther. For example, optional case-sensitivity in HFS+, > and 16TB of storage. :) oooh.... > Did I mention the admin tools are vastly improved? They do look nice. Might be easier to explain to people as well. Northern Ireland Mac User Group http://www.nimug.org/ From shoop at iWiring.Net Fri Oct 17 13:45:13 2003 From: shoop at iWiring.Net (Dan Shoop) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:22 2005 Subject: TAR - Resource Forks In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 2:32 AM -0400 10/17/03, Scott Anguish wrote: >On Oct 16, 2003, at 4:04 PM, Fabien Roy wrote: > >>hfstar (based on gnutar) and hfspax (based on pax) can archive and >>restore resource forks along with the associated metadata. >> > > I've been longing for a gnutar syntax compatible tool that >creates or extracts files from a .dmg file, thus preserving the HFS >aspects if present. hfstar is based on gnutar. (Also there's Xtar as well, also resource fork aware.) Both work fine with .dmg images. Did you mean something different, like preserving HFS or HFS+ volume structures? -dhan +------------------------------------------------------------------------+ Dan Shoop shoop@iwiring.net Consulting Internet Architect shoop@mac.com AIM: iWiring pgp key fingerprint: FAC0 9434 B5A5 24A8 D0AF 12B1 7840 3BE7 3736 DE0B iWiring designs and supports Internet systems and networks based on OS X, unix(tm), and Open Source technologies. Ask about 24x7 service and support. Dan Shoop will be speaking at the O'Reilly & Associates Mac OS X Conference See http://conferences.oreillynet.com/macosx2003/ for details From jared at 23x.net Fri Oct 17 14:03:45 2003 From: jared at 23x.net (Jared ''Danger'' Earle) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:22 2005 Subject: monitor not working at startup In-Reply-To: <000801c39466$7af7c8a0$a59eadd1@BigBlueX1000> References: <000801c39466$7af7c8a0$a59eadd1@BigBlueX1000> Message-ID: <3F8FFE10.30102@23x.net> Conrad G T Yoder wrote: > I just switched my monitor settings from 1280x1024 to 1600x1200 (both at 85Hz). I have the verbose mode (boot-args=-v in nvram) at startup turned on. Everything was fine when I was at 1280x1024, but after switching (I think), now the monitor will not show the initial gray on gray apple screen or the text (it does work fine once it gets to the aqua screen), and the monitor (Sony GPD-E540 20") reports on screen: > > Monitor is working > Input: 31.5kHz/40Hz > Out of Scan Range > Change Signal Timing > > So, is there any way to get this working again without going back to the old resolution? Mac config: 10.2.8, PowerMac dual 1GHz ("Mirrored Drive Doors"). TIA. Reboot without a monitor. Or, reboot in safe mode. -- "Shiny!" jared@23x.net From bronski at bronski.net Fri Oct 17 14:07:48 2003 From: bronski at bronski.net (Christoph Rummel) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:22 2005 Subject: Lost ownership when restoring from TAR files? In-Reply-To: <6067C826-FFF1-11D7-90CA-000A95686418@bc.edu> Message-ID: <88F03131-FFF5-11D7-8C86-000393A99D5C@bronski.net> On Donnerstag, Oktober 16, 2003, at 05:57 Uhr, Tony Schreiner wrote: > Only root can extract tar files with the original owner. > use > sudo tar -xvf tarfile add a "p" for "preserve permissions" Chris From Philip.Moetteli at tele2.ch Fri Oct 17 15:03:05 2003 From: Philip.Moetteli at tele2.ch (Philip =?iso-8859-1?q?M=F6tteli?=) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:22 2005 Subject: PLEASE HELP: Can't Boot anymore (Not even with Install-CD)! Message-ID: <200310180002.12154.Philip.Moetteli@tele2.ch> Hi My computer doesn't return from fsck. fsck runs eternally. Even when I boot from the Installation-CD, there's a moment, when automount is started and from then on the same symptoms start: it never comes back from it. I suppose, it also starts fsck. I can't even boot into MOS9, because the newer PowerMacs do not allow this anymore. The good news is, I can though boot into single-user mode. Is there another filesystem-check utility somewhere? Or a newer one of fsck for HFS? Can I start the network from single-user mode on a read-only harddrive? Can I force a read-write mount of a non-checked harddrive? Can anybody give me a hint, how I could repair this or at least save my files? Please send a copy of your message to . Thanks many times!!! Phil PS: fsck gives the following messages: Overlapped extent allocation Invalid sibling link Invalid B-Tree header Invalid map node Nesting of folders has exceeded the recommended limit of 100 Volume bit map needs minor repair Invalid volume free block count ** Reparing volume -----> From here on it runs forever, without any furter message. From sanguish at digifix.com Fri Oct 17 17:52:05 2003 From: sanguish at digifix.com (Scott Anguish) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:22 2005 Subject: TAR - Resource Forks In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2B078A98-0105-11D8-912B-000A95909858@digifix.com> On Oct 17, 2003, at 3:46 PM, Dan Shoop wrote: > At 2:32 AM -0400 10/17/03, Scott Anguish wrote: >> On Oct 16, 2003, at 4:04 PM, Fabien Roy wrote: >> >>> hfstar (based on gnutar) and hfspax (based on pax) can archive and >>> restore resource forks along with the associated metadata. >>> >> >> I've been longing for a gnutar syntax compatible tool that creates >> or extracts files from a .dmg file, thus preserving the HFS aspects >> if present. > > hfstar is based on gnutar. (Also there's Xtar as well, also resource > fork aware.) > > Both work fine with .dmg images. Did you mean something different, > like preserving HFS or HFS+ volume structures? > yep, I meant something completely different. I want to see a tool called, oh, dmgtool if you go dmgtool -czf somenewdmg.dmg /Users/sanguish it should make a new dmg called somenewdmg.dmg, copy the contents of /Users/sanguish to it using ditto, then change the dmg to a compressed one... similarly for extaction dmgtool -xf somenewdmg.dmg mounts the dmg, copies all the files to the current volume, and then unmounts it. honestly, the creation is the trickier part that I'd really like to see. From conrad at yoders.org Fri Oct 17 19:19:05 2003 From: conrad at yoders.org (Conrad G T Yoder) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:22 2005 Subject: monitor not working at startup In-Reply-To: <3F8FFE10.30102@23x.net> Message-ID: At 10/17/03 10:34 AM -0400, Jared ''Danger'' Earle wrote: > > Conrad G T Yoder wrote: >> I just switched my monitor settings from 1280x1024 to 1600x1200 (both at >> 85Hz). I have the verbose mode (boot-args=-v in nvram) at startup turned on. >> Everything was fine when I was at 1280x1024, but after switching (I think), >> now the monitor will not show the initial gray on gray apple screen or the >> text (it does work fine once it gets to the aqua screen), and the monitor >> (Sony GPD-E540 20") reports on screen: >> >> Monitor is working >> Input: 31.5kHz/40Hz >> Out of Scan Range >> Change Signal Timing >> >> So, is there any way to get this working again without going back to the old >> resolution? Mac config: 10.2.8, PowerMac dual 1GHz ("Mirrored Drive Doors"). >> TIA. > > Reboot without a monitor. Or, reboot in safe mode. I shut down, unplugged the monitors (I have 2 VGA monitors with the main one plugged into the DVI connector), restarted, and then plugged them in after 10 minutes. I rebooted, and same problem. What do you mean my "safe mode"? Single-user mode? -Conrad From mgorski at computer.org Sat Oct 18 01:48:02 2003 From: mgorski at computer.org (Mike Gorski) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:22 2005 Subject: TAR - Resource Forks In-Reply-To: <2B078A98-0105-11D8-912B-000A95909858@digifix.com> References: <2B078A98-0105-11D8-912B-000A95909858@digifix.com> Message-ID: <20031018044658551964.GyazMail.mgorski@computer.org> On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 20:51:11 -0400, Scott Anguish wrote: > mounts the dmg, copies all the files to the current volume, and then > unmounts it. > > honestly, the creation is the trickier part that I'd really like to see. Does hdiutil work for you? As in: hdiutil create test.dmg -size 10m hdiutil mount test.dmg Now you can copy stuff to the mounted image using ditto or whatever. You can even compress the image with the hdiutil convert command. Does that meet your needs? -Mike From sanguish at digifix.com Sat Oct 18 02:15:20 2003 From: sanguish at digifix.com (Scott Anguish) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:22 2005 Subject: TAR - Resource Forks In-Reply-To: <20031018044658551964.GyazMail.mgorski@computer.org> References: <2B078A98-0105-11D8-912B-000A95909858@digifix.com> <20031018044658551964.GyazMail.mgorski@computer.org> Message-ID: oh, I know you can do it on the command line... but you have to create it, mount it, ditto it, change the format... I'm just saying that it'd be nice to have a script that just looked like gnutar, options wise.. On Oct 18, 2003, at 4:46 AM, Mike Gorski wrote: > On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 20:51:11 -0400, Scott Anguish wrote: >> mounts the dmg, copies all the files to the current volume, and then >> unmounts it. >> >> honestly, the creation is the trickier part that I'd really like to >> see. > > Does hdiutil work for you? As in: > > hdiutil create test.dmg -size 10m > hdiutil mount test.dmg > > Now you can copy stuff to the mounted image using ditto or whatever. > > You can even compress the image with the hdiutil convert command. > > Does that meet your needs? > > -Mike From ocs at ocs.cz Sat Oct 18 03:22:02 2003 From: ocs at ocs.cz (Ondra Cada) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:22 2005 Subject: TAR - Resource Forks In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Saturday, Oct 18, 2003, at 10:48 Europe/Prague, Scott Anguish wrote: > I'm just saying that it'd be nice to have a script that just looked > like gnutar, options wise.. So write one. With all bells and whistles, including error checking etc., it might be a day's work, I suppose. Presumed you don't know shell scripting yet, it's an excellent occasion to learn something wortwhile ;) --- Ondra ?ada OCSoftware: ocs@ocs.cz http://www.ocs.cz private ondra@ocs.cz http://www.ocs.cz/oc From mbp at csr-bos.com Sat Oct 18 04:49:04 2003 From: mbp at csr-bos.com (Mark Palmerino) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:22 2005 Subject: TAR - Resource Forks In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Interestingly, I wanted something like this recently. Here is the shellscript I cobbled together. Perhaps this will be useful to someone to use or to build upon. It does not try to mimic tar's arguments, I call it makeDMG.sh... One can specify the name, size and source directory on the terminal line as in: makeDMG.sh Backup 650 /Users/foobar One can also just type 'makeDMG.sh' and the necessary information will be prompted for. This script does compress and mount and unmount automatically. You'll also see that it does all this on my desktop (markp). Obviously, this could be made more flexible... If anyone has any suggestions on how this can be improved, let me know! Mark #!/bin/sh # make a dmg image of some directory # note, use apostrophe to enclose names with a space case $# in 3) INAME=$1; SIZE=$2; SOURCE=$3;; *) echo -n "Please enter name of image: " read INAME echo -n "Please enter size of image in megabytes: " read SIZE echo -n "Please enter full name of directory to backup: " read SOURCE ;; esac echo echo "Creating image:" hdiutil create -fs HFS+ -volname "$INAME" -size ${SIZE}m /Users/markp/Desktop/"$INAME".dmg echo echo "Mounting and copying the information to the image:" hdiutil mount /Users/markp/Desktop/"$INAME".dmg ditto -rsrc -V "$SOURCE" /Volumes/"$INAME" >> /Volumes/"$INAME"/"$INAME".ditto.log echo echo "Unmounting and compressing the image:" hdiutil unmount /Volumes/"$INAME" hdiutil convert -format UDZO /Users/markp/Desktop/"$INAME".dmg -o /Users/markp/Desktop/"$INAME"-z.dmg rm /Users/markp/Desktop/"$INAME".dmg # remove uncompressed image echo echo "All done - image should be on the desktop!" On Saturday, October 18, 2003, at 06:21 AM, Ondra Cada wrote: > > On Saturday, Oct 18, 2003, at 10:48 Europe/Prague, Scott Anguish wrote: > >> I'm just saying that it'd be nice to have a script that just looked >> like gnutar, options wise.. > > So write one. > > With all bells and whistles, including error checking etc., it might > be a day's work, I suppose. Presumed you don't know shell scripting > yet, it's an excellent occasion to learn something wortwhile ;) > --- > Ondra ?ada > OCSoftware: ocs@ocs.cz http://www.ocs.cz > private ondra@ocs.cz http://www.ocs.cz/oc > > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-admin mailing list > MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin > From jeff at stikman.com Sat Oct 18 09:36:03 2003 From: jeff at stikman.com (Jeff Grossman) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:22 2005 Subject: New Hard Drive Message-ID: <01aa01c39595$e11c9b80$0a0a0a0a@jeffxp> How would I go about upgrading my hard drive on an OS X machine? I don't think I can just copy over the contents like I was able to do with an OS 7-9 system. Thanks, Jeff From jeff at stikman.com Sat Oct 18 10:01:10 2003 From: jeff at stikman.com (Jeff Grossman) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:22 2005 Subject: New Hard Drive In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <02c901c39599$4a237b00$0a0a0a0a@jeffxp> > -----Original Message----- > From: thomas@elements.dk [mailto:thomas@elements.dk] > Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2003 9:53 AM > To: Jeff Grossman > Cc: macosx-admin@omnigroup.com > Subject: Re: New Hard Drive > > Jeff Grossman writes: > > > How would I go about upgrading my hard drive on an OS X machine? I don't > > think I can just copy over the contents like I was able to do with an OS 7-9 > > system. > > Use Carbon Copy Cloner to move the content from the old drive to the new > one... ofcourse you have to install both drives but with a G4 that shouldnt > be a problem ...in a PB it get a bit more tricky.. > > > /Thomas My original question was in regards to a G4, so that is not a big issue. But, now that you bring it up, I would like to increase the size of my G4 Ti powerbook. How would I go about changing that hard drive out? Jeff From thomas at elements.dk Sat Oct 18 10:13:27 2003 From: thomas at elements.dk (thomas@elements.dk) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:22 2005 Subject: New Hard Drive In-Reply-To: <01aa01c39595$e11c9b80$0a0a0a0a@jeffxp> References: <01aa01c39595$e11c9b80$0a0a0a0a@jeffxp> Message-ID: Jeff Grossman writes: > How would I go about upgrading my hard drive on an OS X machine? I don't > think I can just copy over the contents like I was able to do with an OS 7-9 > system. Use Carbon Copy Cloner to move the content from the old drive to the new one... ofcourse you have to install both drives but with a G4 that shouldnt be a problem ...in a PB it get a bit more tricky.. /thomas From thomas at elements.dk Sat Oct 18 10:36:15 2003 From: thomas at elements.dk (thomas@elements.dk) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:22 2005 Subject: New Hard Drive In-Reply-To: <02c901c39599$4a237b00$0a0a0a0a@jeffxp> References: <02c901c39599$4a237b00$0a0a0a0a@jeffxp> Message-ID: Jeff Grossman writes: >> -----Original Message----- >> From: thomas@elements.dk [mailto:thomas@elements.dk] >> Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2003 9:53 AM >> To: Jeff Grossman >> Cc: macosx-admin@omnigroup.com >> Subject: Re: New Hard Drive >> >> Jeff Grossman writes: >> >> > How would I go about upgrading my hard drive on an OS X machine? I > don't >> > think I can just copy over the contents like I was able to do with an OS > 7-9 >> > system. >> >> Use Carbon Copy Cloner to move the content from the old drive to the new >> one... ofcourse you have to install both drives but with a G4 that > shouldnt >> be a problem ...in a PB it get a bit more tricky.. >> >> >> /Thomas > > My original question was in regards to a G4, so that is not a big issue. > But, now that you bring it up, I would like to increase the size of my G4 Ti > powerbook. How would I go about changing that hard drive out? Backup you data to an external drive, install the new one, move the data back. I would do a clean install in any case, but CC Cloner would do the job too. /thomas From dleber at alignsoft.com Sat Oct 18 11:21:02 2003 From: dleber at alignsoft.com (David LeBer) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:22 2005 Subject: New Hard Drive In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 10/18/03 1:33 PM, "thomas@elements.dk" wrote: > Jeff Grossman writes: > >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: thomas@elements.dk [mailto:thomas@elements.dk] >>> Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2003 9:53 AM >>> To: Jeff Grossman >>> Cc: macosx-admin@omnigroup.com >>> Subject: Re: New Hard Drive >>> >>> Jeff Grossman writes: >>> >>>> How would I go about upgrading my hard drive on an OS X machine? I >> don't >>>> think I can just copy over the contents like I was able to do with an OS >> 7-9 >>>> system. >>> >>> Use Carbon Copy Cloner to move the content from the old drive to the new >>> one... ofcourse you have to install both drives but with a G4 that >> shouldnt >>> be a problem ...in a PB it get a bit more tricky.. >>> >>> >>> /Thomas >> >> My original question was in regards to a G4, so that is not a big issue. >> But, now that you bring it up, I would like to increase the size of my G4 Ti >> powerbook. How would I go about changing that hard drive out? > > Backup you data to an external drive, install the new one, move the data > back. I would do a clean install in any case, but CC Cloner would do the job > too. > > /thomas The last time I did this, I purchased the drive I wanted pre-installed in a firewire case (from OWC), used CCC to clone the TiBook drive and then swapped the drives. It left me with a 10GB ext portable firewire drive. ;david -- David LeBer Systems Architect Align Software Inc. www.alignsoft.com From sanguish at digifix.com Sat Oct 18 11:26:04 2003 From: sanguish at digifix.com (Scott Anguish) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:22 2005 Subject: TAR - Resource Forks In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <08E1A18C-0198-11D8-8FA5-000A95909858@digifix.com> On Oct 18, 2003, at 6:21 AM, Ondra Cada wrote: > > On Saturday, Oct 18, 2003, at 10:48 Europe/Prague, Scott Anguish wrote: > >> I'm just saying that it'd be nice to have a script that just looked >> like gnutar, options wise.. > > So write one. > > With all bells and whistles, including error checking etc., it might > be a day's work, I suppose. Presumed you don't know shell scripting > yet, it's an excellent occasion to learn something wortwhile ;) > I've only got a zillion other things on the go... I was rather hoping this might inspire someone. From shoop at iWiring.Net Sat Oct 18 14:54:02 2003 From: shoop at iWiring.Net (Dan Shoop) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:22 2005 Subject: TAR - Resource Forks In-Reply-To: <2B078A98-0105-11D8-912B-000A95909858@digifix.com> References: <2B078A98-0105-11D8-912B-000A95909858@digifix.com> Message-ID: At 8:51 PM -0400 10/17/03, Scott Anguish wrote: >On Oct 17, 2003, at 3:46 PM, Dan Shoop wrote: > >>At 2:32 AM -0400 10/17/03, Scott Anguish wrote: >>>On Oct 16, 2003, at 4:04 PM, Fabien Roy wrote: >>> >>>>hfstar (based on gnutar) and hfspax (based on pax) can archive >>>>and restore resource forks along with the associated metadata. >>>> >>> >>> I've been longing for a gnutar syntax compatible tool that >>>creates or extracts files from a .dmg file, thus preserving the >>>HFS aspects if present. >> >>hfstar is based on gnutar. (Also there's Xtar as well, also >>resource fork aware.) >> >>Both work fine with .dmg images. Did you mean something different, >>like preserving HFS or HFS+ volume structures? >> > > yep, I meant something completely different. > > I want to see a tool called, oh, > >dmgtool > >if you go > >dmgtool -czf somenewdmg.dmg /Users/sanguish > >it should make a new dmg called somenewdmg.dmg, copy the contents of >/Users/sanguish to it using ditto, then change the dmg to a >compressed one... Toast 6 does this. There's also DropDMG. Otherwise just write the short shell script that creates the .dmg using hditool and then copies the files. I don't see the benefits of yet another separate tool, so I guess I'm missing something. -dhan +------------------------------------------------------------------------+ Dan Shoop shoop@iwiring.net Consulting Internet Architect shoop@mac.com AIM: iWiring pgp key fingerprint: FAC0 9434 B5A5 24A8 D0AF 12B1 7840 3BE7 3736 DE0B iWiring designs and supports Internet systems and networks based on OS X, unix(tm), and Open Source technologies. Ask about 24x7 service and support. Dan Shoop will be speaking at the O'Reilly & Associates Mac OS X Conference See http://conferences.oreillynet.com/macosx2003/ for details From shoop at iWiring.Net Sat Oct 18 14:57:43 2003 From: shoop at iWiring.Net (Dan Shoop) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:22 2005 Subject: TAR - Resource Forks In-Reply-To: References: <2B078A98-0105-11D8-912B-000A95909858@digifix.com> <20031018044658551964.GyazMail.mgorski@computer.org> Message-ID: At 4:48 AM -0400 10/18/03, Scott Anguish wrote: >oh, I know you can do it on the command line... but you have to >create it, mount it, ditto it, change the format... > >I'm just saying that it'd be nice to have a script that just looked >like gnutar, options wise.. Why? Sounds like you just want to use hfstar or gnutar to copy the files rather than ditto. If you need it just build the short wrapper script yourself. -dhan +------------------------------------------------------------------------+ Dan Shoop shoop@iwiring.net Consulting Internet Architect shoop@mac.com AIM: iWiring pgp key fingerprint: FAC0 9434 B5A5 24A8 D0AF 12B1 7840 3BE7 3736 DE0B iWiring designs and supports Internet systems and networks based on OS X, unix(tm), and Open Source technologies. Ask about 24x7 service and support. Dan Shoop will be speaking at the O'Reilly & Associates Mac OS X Conference See http://conferences.oreillynet.com/macosx2003/ for details From shoop at iWiring.Net Sat Oct 18 15:02:27 2003 From: shoop at iWiring.Net (Dan Shoop) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:22 2005 Subject: New Hard Drive In-Reply-To: <01aa01c39595$e11c9b80$0a0a0a0a@jeffxp> References: <01aa01c39595$e11c9b80$0a0a0a0a@jeffxp> Message-ID: At 9:35 AM -0700 10/18/03, Jeff Grossman wrote: >How would I go about upgrading my hard drive on an OS X machine? I don't >think I can just copy over the contents like I was able to do with an OS 7-9 >system. You can, you just have to use the right tools. psyncy, rsyncx, hfstar, and more painfully ditto all work nicely. GUI wise there's CarbonCopyCloner (basically a ditto wrapper application.) -dhan +------------------------------------------------------------------------+ Dan Shoop shoop@iwiring.net Consulting Internet Architect shoop@mac.com AIM: iWiring pgp key fingerprint: FAC0 9434 B5A5 24A8 D0AF 12B1 7840 3BE7 3736 DE0B iWiring designs and supports Internet systems and networks based on OS X, unix(tm), and Open Source technologies. Ask about 24x7 service and support. Dan Shoop will be speaking at the O'Reilly & Associates Mac OS X Conference See http://conferences.oreillynet.com/macosx2003/ for details From shearq at yahoo.com Sat Oct 18 17:19:30 2003 From: shearq at yahoo.com (Steven Shear) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:22 2005 Subject: Powerbook G4 Take Apart Failure - Please help! Message-ID: Hi folks, Please check out the inside of my Powerbook G4 12" 867Mhz. http://homepage.mac.com/dcoopie/pbg4-12/ Seems I broke 2 clips. One on the end ribbon plastic retainer, and one of the keyboard mount on the motherboard itself. I am not sure what to do now. Does anyone have any familiarity with how the plastic connector connects to the end of the keyboard ribbon cable? I can't understand what keeps this clip attached to the ribbon. Is something missing? Given the 2 broken clips, can anyone think of a way to get this PB operational? Ideally I could find a replacement clip. Not sure about the motherboard clip tho... Thanks! ps: For anyone else attempting to follow this: http://www.kodawarisan.com/ug/PowerBook/index.html It was not as simple as it looked as you can see I damaged my G4 in multiple ways. Be sure to unscrew that screw and retainer in the RAM socket, as it keeps the keyboard in place. This was not made clear at kodawarisan. Mine keyboard got slightly bent as I tried to figure out what was keeping it in place. With that known, it is not too bad. But still if I had to do it again, I would be just as unclear on the proper method for keyboard removal from the MB. From sanguish at digifix.com Sat Oct 18 18:44:02 2003 From: sanguish at digifix.com (Scott Anguish) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:22 2005 Subject: TAR - Resource Forks In-Reply-To: References: <2B078A98-0105-11D8-912B-000A95909858@digifix.com> Message-ID: <9E45774A-01D5-11D8-81FD-000393D59866@digifix.com> On Oct 18, 2003, at 5:53 PM, Dan Shoop wrote: >> it should make a new dmg called somenewdmg.dmg, copy the contents of >> /Users/sanguish to it using ditto, then change the dmg to a >> compressed one... > > Toast 6 does this. There's also DropDMG. Both of these are significant overkill, and not command line oriented. > > Otherwise just write the short shell script that creates the .dmg > using hditool and then copies the files. I don't see the benefits of > yet another separate tool, so I guess I'm missing something. > I think so... Yes, a wrapper would be just fine for this. but finding time is another matter. From sanguish at digifix.com Sat Oct 18 19:02:09 2003 From: sanguish at digifix.com (Scott Anguish) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:22 2005 Subject: TAR - Resource Forks In-Reply-To: References: <2B078A98-0105-11D8-912B-000A95909858@digifix.com> <20031018044658551964.GyazMail.mgorski@computer.org> Message-ID: On Oct 18, 2003, at 5:55 PM, Dan Shoop wrote: > At 4:48 AM -0400 10/18/03, Scott Anguish wrote: >> oh, I know you can do it on the command line... but you have to >> create it, mount it, ditto it, change the format... >> >> I'm just saying that it'd be nice to have a script that just looked >> like gnutar, options wise.. > > Why? > because it'd be a drop in replacement for a syntax that is well known > Sounds like you just want to use hfstar or gnutar to copy the files > rather than ditto. > No... I don't want to store the data in a tar file, but in a dmg. At least one advantage is that it's still easily opened by the user. > If you need it just build the short wrapper script yourself. > ah, would I had the time, and skill From ssen at opendarwin.org Sat Oct 18 21:30:02 2003 From: ssen at opendarwin.org (Shantonu Sen) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:22 2005 Subject: TAR - Resource Forks In-Reply-To: <9E45774A-01D5-11D8-81FD-000393D59866@digifix.com> References: <2B078A98-0105-11D8-912B-000A95909858@digifix.com> <9E45774A-01D5-11D8-81FD-000393D59866@digifix.com> Message-ID: In 6 days, 1 hour, and 10 minutes, you'll be able to do: $ hdiutil create -srcfolder Documents -o docs.dmg -format UDZO This does most of the work for you. Shantonu On Oct 18, 2003, at 6:43 PM, Scott Anguish wrote: > > On Oct 18, 2003, at 5:53 PM, Dan Shoop wrote: > >>> it should make a new dmg called somenewdmg.dmg, copy the contents of >>> /Users/sanguish to it using ditto, then change the dmg to a >>> compressed one... >> >> Toast 6 does this. There's also DropDMG. > > Both of these are significant overkill, and not command line oriented. > >> >> Otherwise just write the short shell script that creates the .dmg >> using hditool and then copies the files. I don't see the benefits of >> yet another separate tool, so I guess I'm missing something. >> > > I think so... > > Yes, a wrapper would be just fine for this. but finding time is > another matter. > > > > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-admin mailing list > MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin From jared at 23x.net Sun Oct 19 03:40:48 2003 From: jared at 23x.net (Jared ''Danger'' Earle) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:22 2005 Subject: Powerbook G4 Take Apart Failure - Please help! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5D2601BF-0220-11D8-BBA8-000A2791CF7C@23x.net> On 19 Oct 2003, at 02:17, Steven Shear wrote: > Does anyone have any familiarity with how the plastic connector > connects to the end of the keyboard ribbon cable? > I can't understand what keeps this clip attached to the ribbon. Is > something missing? If the clips are anything like on every other laptop I've opened, and by the look of things they are, then they don't connect to the cable at all. They connect to the sockets and lift 2-3mm to reduce the tension on the ribbon to allow it to be removed smoothly. If you pull them off, you've b0rked them. You may be able to reconnect them to the motherboard, but you may have to be resigned to their not working again. Best of luck. -- Jared Earle, Nightfall Games, jared@23x.net - http://www.23x.net "It was like ... a bummer. My name is Ellen Feiss and I'm a SPORK" From shearq at yahoo.com Sun Oct 19 08:23:23 2003 From: shearq at yahoo.com (Steven Shear) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:22 2005 Subject: Powerbook G4 Take Apart Failure - Please help! Message-ID: <4CA0674A-0247-11D8-85DD-000393B3CAAC@yahoo.com> THIS JUST IN. http://homepage.mac.com/dcoopie/pbg4-12/ Look at the last picture. Problem solved. The keyboard end connector stayed on the motherboard when i lifted it, with no damage to the MB, only slight damage to the keyboard end connector, part PCT T2474. So I can snap it back together for a relatively solid connection. But if anyone knows where I can order an extra part PCT T2474 please let me know. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/enriched Size: 666 bytes Desc: not available Url : /mailman/archive/macosx-admin/attachments/20031019/c50e1775/attachment.bin From rosyna at unsanity.com Sun Oct 19 09:42:02 2003 From: rosyna at unsanity.com (Rosyna) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:22 2005 Subject: Qpopper and imapd on Panther. Message-ID: I'm trying to get a mail server (pop3) working on my new g5. I used to run qpopper on my g4 running jaguar.I've compiled both qpopper and uw's imap and neither of them will let me log in. I assume this is because panther uses shadow passwords instead of crypt. Does anyone know how I can fix this? As an aside, can I add postfix to xinetd or do I have to start it at launch? -- Sincerely, Rosyna Keller Technical Support/Holy Knight/Always needs a hug Unsanity: Unsane Tools for Insanely Great People --- Please include any previous correspondence in replies, it helps me remember what we were talking about. Thanks. From david.mcrell at danetracks.com Sun Oct 19 14:29:02 2003 From: david.mcrell at danetracks.com (David McRell) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:22 2005 Subject: Delivery Options - Disabled Message-ID: I gather that I was not the only one who involuntarily missed the list for a week or so. -- David McRell, CTO, Danetracks, Inc. 7356 Santa Monica Blvd. West Hollywood, CA 90046 Tel 323-512-8160 Fax 323-512-8163 From hmag at ozemail.com.au Sun Oct 19 14:47:49 2003 From: hmag at ozemail.com.au (Terry Allen) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:22 2005 Subject: Mail.app / other mail client email options In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi again, As an Apple user since before the Mac came out, I have been following the various revisions of hardware & software. I have also been a Eudora user since 1994 - the last version of Eudora (5.2), had some glitches such as sometimes failing to include an attachment with an email, so over the weekend, I experimented with Mail.app for full-time use, importing many years of email (fortunately leaving my Eudora mail intact). There are a number of things I didn't like about Mail.app, such as the inability to associate a particular email account with a particular signature automatically (i.e. switching which account an email is being sent from would auto-change the signature) One thing I couldn't live with & quickly ran back to Eudora, was that Mail.app has no mail queueing! - unless I am mistaken. What I mean is that I cannot save emails as drafts or simply save them for later delivery in the Outbox, then batch-send them all at once later on. Mail.app appears to make an individual SMTP connection to my mail server for each message - this is extraordinarily inefficient as a means of sending mail - takes about a third longer to send mail out than using Eudora - can someone confirm if I'm correct here. If I am indeed correct, I reckon Apple needs to have a long hard look at mail.app - this method of sending out could seriously chew network bandwidth given enough volume of email on an internal school networ for example, or even an external Internet network. Anyone aware of other mail clients which work in similar fashion to Eudora? -- Bye for now, Terry Allen ___________________________________________________________________ hEARd Postal Address: hEARd, 26B Glenning Rd, Glenning Valley, NSW 2261, Australia Internet - WWW: http://heard.com.au or http://www.ozemail.com.au/~hmag http://hosting.heard.com.au - http://itavservices.com Interactive Message Board - http://heard.com.au/wwwboard/ EMAIL: (checked every Thursday & Sunday, sometimes more often) hmag@ozemail.com.au Phone: Australia - 02 4388 1400 / International - + 61 2 43881400 Mobile: Australia - 04 28881400 / International - 61 4 28881400 ----------------------------------------------- Non profit promotion for new music - since 1994 ----------------------------------------------- From macmage at maccrafters.com Sun Oct 19 16:04:01 2003 From: macmage at maccrafters.com (Floyd Resler) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:22 2005 Subject: Bad Domain Name for Sendmail Message-ID: I just recently tried to send out some email to addresses in a database I maintain using PHP. Some of the emails failed with the following message: Deferred: 451 4.1.8 Domain of sender address www@macmage.local does not resolve I know I must have something configured wrong. I'm just not sure where to fix it. Can anyone help? Thanks! Floyd From fabienlroy at mac.com Sun Oct 19 16:38:03 2003 From: fabienlroy at mac.com (Fabien Roy) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:23 2005 Subject: Bad Domain Name for Sendmail In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3DE97858-028D-11D8-861C-000393658196@mac.com> Try to put your fully qualified domain name (aka fqdn) in your /etc/hostconfig HOSTNAME= You may have to reboot after the change. Fabien. On Sunday, Oct 19, 2003, at 16:02 America/Los_Angeles, Floyd Resler wrote: > I just recently tried to send out some email to addresses in a > database I > maintain using PHP. Some of the emails failed with the following > message: > Deferred: 451 4.1.8 Domain of sender address www@macmage.local does not > resolve > > I know I must have something configured wrong. I'm just not sure > where to > fix it. Can anyone help? > > Thanks! > Floyd > > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-admin mailing list > MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin > From kremels at kreme.com Mon Oct 20 00:28:48 2003 From: kremels at kreme.com (Lukreme) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:23 2005 Subject: Mail.app / other mail client email options In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <874BA444-02C4-11D8-ACF8-000A95935598@kreme.com> On 19 Oct 2003, at 15:40, Terry Allen wrote: > As an Apple user since before the Mac came out, I have been following > the various revisions of hardware & software. I have also been a > Eudora user since 1994 - the last version of Eudora (5.2), had some > glitches such as sometimes failing to include an attachment with an > email, so over the weekend, I experimented with Mail.app for full-time > use, importing many years of email (fortunately leaving my Eudora mail > intact). > There are a number of things I didn't like about Mail.app, such as > the inability to associate a particular email account with a > particular signature automatically (i.e. switching which account an > email is being sent from would auto-change the signature) This is a common complaint. > One thing I couldn't live with & quickly ran back to Eudora, was that > Mail.app has no mail queueing! - unless I am mistaken. You cannot queue a message to be sent at a specific time, but you can save a message to be sent later. Command-S, Close window. It will stay in your drafts (forever) until you hit "send." > Mail.app appears to make an individual SMTP connection to my mail > server for each message - this is extraordinarily inefficient as a > means of sending mail - takes about a third longer to send mail out > than using Eudora - can someone confirm if I'm correct here. I believe this is correct. I believe it is also correct behavior according to RFCs and that Eudora's pipelining of multiple messages into a single smtp connection is not recommended, but I could be misremembering here. > Anyone aware of other mail clients which work in similar fashion to > Eudora? Eudora has its own host of problems. The very best email client appears to be mutt, but until there is a GUI mutt (muttX anyone)? I'll be sticking with Mail.app. It's few travails are much less annoying to me that any other mail client I've used. -- Do you believe that there's someone up above, and does he have a timetable directing acts of love? From chad+macosx at objectwerks.com Mon Oct 20 01:56:10 2003 From: chad+macosx at objectwerks.com (Chad Leigh -- ObjectWerks Inc.) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:23 2005 Subject: Mail.app / other mail client email options In-Reply-To: <874BA444-02C4-11D8-ACF8-000A95935598@kreme.com> Message-ID: <711AFD63-02D9-11D8-90A1-003065A70D30@objectwerks.com> On Monday, October 20, 2003, at 12:13 AM, Lukreme wrote: > > I believe this is correct. I believe it is also correct behavior > according to RFCs and that Eudora's pipelining of multiple messages > into a single smtp connection is not recommended, but I could be > misremembering here. There is nothing wrong with pipelining AFAIK. Cuts down on traffic. In fact, I'd be surprised if Mail.app doesn't do it when you have a bunch of mails that for some reason couldn't be sent. When you all of a sudden get a valid connection and it starts sending, it sends them all pretty fast and it appears to only be connecting once based on the messages in the status window. When I used Eudora, the queuing for sending later was nice, but that was before I had broadband. Now I don't care. And it does do it in the background anyway, which IIRC Eudora didn't do back in the 1997-1998 version I last used, unless you turned queuing on. So the main use IMNSHO of the Eudora queuing, which was background sending, is taken care of. Chad From hmag at ozemail.com.au Mon Oct 20 02:34:27 2003 From: hmag at ozemail.com.au (Terry Allen) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:23 2005 Subject: Mail.app / other mail client email options In-Reply-To: <711AFD63-02D9-11D8-90A1-003065A70D30@objectwerks.com> References: <711AFD63-02D9-11D8-90A1-003065A70D30@objectwerks.com> Message-ID: >On Monday, October 20, 2003, at 12:13 AM, Lukreme wrote: > >> >>I believe this is correct. I believe it is also correct behavior >>according to RFCs and that Eudora's pipelining of multiple messages >>into a single smtp connection is not recommended, but I could be >>misremembering here. > >There is nothing wrong with pipelining AFAIK. Cuts down on traffic. >In fact, I'd be surprised if Mail.app doesn't do it when you have a >bunch of mails that for some reason couldn't be sent. When you all >of a sudden get a valid connection and it starts sending, it sends >them all pretty fast and it appears to only be connecting once based >on the messages in the status window. > >When I used Eudora, the queuing for sending later was nice, but that >was before I had broadband. Now I don't care. And it does do it in >the background anyway, which IIRC Eudora didn't do back in the >1997-1998 version I last used, unless you turned queuing on. So the >main use IMNSHO of the Eudora queuing, which was background sending, >is taken care of. > >Chad > Hi again, From a network admin point of view, pipelining is a nice traffic reducer - from my analsys of what Mail.app is doing, it's making an individual connection for each message - it also rebuilds the mail database every few minutes, which drives me somewhat insane as the windows keep showing little messages all over the place. -- Bye for now, Terry Allen ___________________________________________________________________ hEARd Postal Address: hEARd, 26B Glenning Rd, Glenning Valley, NSW 2261, Australia Internet - WWW: http://heard.com.au or http://www.ozemail.com.au/~hmag http://hosting.heard.com.au - http://itavservices.com Interactive Message Board - http://heard.com.au/wwwboard/ EMAIL: (checked every Thursday & Sunday, sometimes more often) hmag@ozemail.com.au Phone: Australia - 02 4388 1400 / International - + 61 2 43881400 Mobile: Australia - 04 28881400 / International - 61 4 28881400 ----------------------------------------------- Non profit promotion for new music - since 1994 ----------------------------------------------- From macosx-admin at zzamboni.org Mon Oct 20 03:36:39 2003 From: macosx-admin at zzamboni.org (Diego Zamboni) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:23 2005 Subject: Mail.app / other mail client email options In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1066642531.4452.398.camel@localhost.localdomain> > One thing I couldn't live with & quickly ran back to Eudora, > was that Mail.app has no mail queueing! - unless I am mistaken. > What I mean is that I cannot save emails as drafts or simply > save them for later delivery in the Outbox, then batch-send them all > at once later on. It does this if you select "Go offline" (I think it's in the "Mailbox" menu). You can also selectively go offline in only some accounts. When you go back online, all the queued messages will be sent. --Diego From omni_osx_ml at todoo.biz Mon Oct 20 04:19:05 2003 From: omni_osx_ml at todoo.biz (omni_osx_ml@todoo.biz) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:23 2005 Subject: Bad Domain Name for Sendmail In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Le 20/10/03 1:02, ??Floyd Resler?? a ?crit?: > I just recently tried to send out some email to addresses in a database I > maintain using PHP. Some of the emails failed with the following message: > Deferred: 451 4.1.8 Domain of sender address www@macmage.local does not > resolve > I would suggest you to create a new sendmail.cf using m4 Create a new .mc file in /usr/share/sendmail/conf/cf/ Name it local.mc Configure It using these data (or modify these as you need); ### Configuration start # # Copyright (c) 1998, 1999 Sendmail, Inc. and its suppliers. # All rights reserved. # Copyright (c) 1983 Eric P. Allman. All rights reserved. # Copyright (c) 1988, 1993 # The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. # # By using this file, you agree to the terms and conditions set # forth in the LICENSE file which can be found at the top level of # the sendmail distribution. # # divert(0)dnl ### # This file provides a very generic configuration for sendmail. # # To customize your configuration, you probably don't want to edit this file. # See the files in /usr/share/sendmail/conf for more information on how to # generate a new one with the features and values you want. The file README # in that directory has instructions. ### VERSIONID(`$Id: generic-darwin.mc,v 1.3 2002/04/12 18:41:47 bbraun Exp $') OSTYPE(darwin)dnl DOMAIN(generic)dnl undefine(`ALIAS_FILE') define(`PROCMAIL_MAILER_PATH',`/usr/bin/procmail') FEATURE(`smrsh',`/usr/libexec/smrsh') FEATURE(local_procmail) FEATURE(`virtusertable',`hash -o /etc/mail/virtusertable')dnl FEATURE(`genericstable', `hash -o /etc/mail/genericstable')dnl FEATURE(`mailertable',`hash -o /etc/mail/mailertable')dnl FEATURE(`access_db')dnl MAILER(smtp) MAILER(procmail) ### Configuration end Backup your sendmail.cf $ cp /etc/mail/sendmail.cf /etc/mail/sendmail.cf.bak Generate your new conf $ sudo m4 ../m4/cf.m4 localhost.mc > /etc/mail/sendmail.cf Change the ownership of the directory apropriately : $ sudo chmod go-w / /etc /etc/mail /var /var/spool /var/spool/mqueue Edit the /etc/mail/access file localhost RELAY macmage.local RELAY Your.ip.here RELAY Do the classic makemap hash ... Restart your sendmail server $ sudo /System/Library/StartupItems/Sendmail/Sendmail restart Make sure your apple talk hostname in /etc/hostconfig looks like this : APPLETALK_HOSTNAME="macmage" You should now be able to ping macmage.local Normaly your should be able to send mail from this address... If you have problem tail -f /var/log/mail.log and tail -f /var/log/system.log Good luck. > I know I must have something configured wrong. I'm just not sure where to > fix it. Can anyone help? > > Thanks! > Floyd ________________________________________________ ???????????????????????????????????????????????? ???????????????????????????????????????????????? Gregober ---> PGP ID --> 0x1BA3C2FD omni_osx_ml @at@ todoo.biz ________________________________________________ ???????????????????????????????????????????????? ???????????????????????????????????????????????? From jpb at ApesSeekingKnowledge.net Mon Oct 20 08:42:10 2003 From: jpb at ApesSeekingKnowledge.net (Joe Block) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:23 2005 Subject: Mail.app / other mail client email options In-Reply-To: <711AFD63-02D9-11D8-90A1-003065A70D30@objectwerks.com> References: <711AFD63-02D9-11D8-90A1-003065A70D30@objectwerks.com> Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Oct 20, 2003, at 4:43 AM, Chad Leigh -- ObjectWerks Inc. wrote: > When I used Eudora, the queuing for sending later was nice, but that > was before I had broadband. Now I don't care. And it does do it in > the background anyway, which IIRC Eudora didn't do back in the > 1997-1998 version I last used, unless you turned queuing on. So the > main use IMNSHO of the Eudora queuing, which was background sending, > is taken care of. I miss queueing messages for later sends. I used to use that all the time to mail myself reminders in the future, or send birthday greetings to people. jpb - -- Joe Block Diplomacy - the art of letting someone else have your way. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (Darwin) iD8DBQE/lABRyEXo8W2M9hsRApslAJ4/t6+d16aasevmiiUxPQhfnxCfFgCffGjZ 1mprV/w/FJ9Ets8vA7B5ZRI= =Pyhn -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From chad+macosx at objectwerks.com Mon Oct 20 10:02:32 2003 From: chad+macosx at objectwerks.com (Chad Leigh -- ObjectWerks Inc.) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:23 2005 Subject: Mail.app / other mail client email options In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Monday, October 20, 2003, at 03:23 AM, Terry Allen wrote: >> On Monday, October 20, 2003, at 12:13 AM, Lukreme wrote: >> >>> >>> I believe this is correct. I believe it is also correct behavior >>> according to RFCs and that Eudora's pipelining of multiple messages >>> into a single smtp connection is not recommended, but I could be >>> misremembering here. >> >> There is nothing wrong with pipelining AFAIK. Cuts down on traffic. >> In fact, I'd be surprised if Mail.app doesn't do it when you have a >> bunch of mails that for some reason couldn't be sent. When you all >> of a sudden get a valid connection and it starts sending, it sends >> them all pretty fast and it appears to only be connecting once based >> on the messages in the status window. >> >> When I used Eudora, the queuing for sending later was nice, but that >> was before I had broadband. Now I don't care. And it does do it in >> the background anyway, which IIRC Eudora didn't do back in the >> 1997-1998 version I last used, unless you turned queuing on. So the >> main use IMNSHO of the Eudora queuing, which was background sending, >> is taken care of. >> >> Chad >> > Hi again, > From a network admin point of view, pipelining is a nice traffic > reducer - from my analsys of what Mail.app is doing, it's making an > individual connection for each message - it also rebuilds the mail > database every few minutes, which drives me somewhat insane as the > windows keep showing little messages all over the place. > Does Mail.app send them one message at a time when they are queued? That is what I was talking about and I think it pipelines them. The status window messages seem to show this. How does one get messages queued? If you have a bunch of messages that cannot be delivered, they get queued and will automatically get sent next time you try and send mail (or after a set time I think). Chad From robertcerny at mac.com Mon Oct 20 10:19:51 2003 From: robertcerny at mac.com (Robert Cerny) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:23 2005 Subject: Troubles with DNS Message-ID: Hi folks, I'm looking for an advice. I have an OS X server running NAT and DNS. I did set it up correctly (as far I can say) but still have a small problem. All "local" machines on 192.168.1 network are able to get to internet w/o problems, but when I login using ssh or any other remote tool to server, the name resolving doesn't work. It means I'm not able to ping www.apple.com from server's console. I thought about resolv.conf settings (from my linux backgrounds) but it looks like it's used differently. ANy ideas? Thanks Robert From jabaker at mac.com Mon Oct 20 11:13:24 2003 From: jabaker at mac.com (James A Baker) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:23 2005 Subject: Qpopper and imapd on Panther In-Reply-To: <200310191901.h9JJ13Oo003892@slowbro.omnigroup.com> Message-ID: <58447E2A-0327-11D8-AA5A-000393193AB6@mac.com> On Sunday, Oct 19, 2003, at 11:41 US/Central, Rosyna wrote: > I'm trying to get a mail server (pop3) working on my new g5. I used to > run qpopper on my g4 running jaguar.I've compiled both qpopper and > uw's imap and neither of them will let me log in. I assume this is > because panther uses shadow passwords instead of crypt. Does anyone > know how I can fix this? > > As an aside, can I add postfix to xinetd or do I have to start it at > launch? > I use Courier (for POP/IMAP/webmail) with authentication info stored in a PostgreSQL database, so I'm afraid I can't help much with the qpopper/uw/panther authentication issue. Sorry. But you might see if there's a PAM module that can be used to verify user credentials for you... presuming PAM can be used with qpopper/uwimap of course. I don't use PAM for anything myself, but it might be what you need in this case. As for the aside... I don't know about anyone else (and with Postfix being included in Panther Server, it could be made a moot point if you decide to upgrade to that in the future) but personally, I use a /Library/StartupItems/Postfix entry for use with my own Postfix installation, on Jaguar client. I think I customized mine a little bit actually. But I believe there's a usable example already included in the MacOSX folder (which is in aux maybe?) of the Postfix distribution. HTH! -James From hmag at ozemail.com.au Mon Oct 20 14:57:17 2003 From: hmag at ozemail.com.au (Terry Allen) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:23 2005 Subject: Mail.app / other mail client email options In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: >On Monday, October 20, 2003, at 03:23 AM, Terry Allen wrote: > >>>On Monday, October 20, 2003, at 12:13 AM, Lukreme wrote: >>> >>>> >>>>I believe this is correct. I believe it is also correct behavior >>>>according to RFCs and that Eudora's pipelining of multiple >>>>messages into a single smtp connection is not recommended, but I >>>>could be misremembering here. >>> >>>There is nothing wrong with pipelining AFAIK. Cuts down on >>>traffic. In fact, I'd be surprised if Mail.app doesn't do it when >>>you have a bunch of mails that for some reason couldn't be sent. >>>When you all of a sudden get a valid connection and it starts >>>sending, it sends them all pretty fast and it appears to only be >>>connecting once based on the messages in the status window. >>> >>>When I used Eudora, the queuing for sending later was nice, but >>>that was before I had broadband. Now I don't care. And it does >>>do it in the background anyway, which IIRC Eudora didn't do back >>>in the 1997-1998 version I last used, unless you turned queuing >>>on. So the main use IMNSHO of the Eudora queuing, which was >>>background sending, is taken care of. >>> >>>Chad >>> >>Hi again, >> From a network admin point of view, pipelining is a nice >>traffic reducer - from my analsys of what Mail.app is doing, it's >>making an individual connection for each message - it also rebuilds >>the mail database every few minutes, which drives me somewhat >>insane as the windows keep showing little messages all over the >>place. >> > >Does Mail.app send them one message at a time when they are queued? >That is what I was talking about and I think it pipelines them. The >status window messages seem to show this. > >How does one get messages queued? If you have a bunch of messages >that cannot be delivered, they get queued and will automatically get >sent next time you try and send mail (or after a set time I think). > >Chad Hi again, I carefully watched the activity window during a send to about 30 email sends to different recipients & following that, I then looked at the server logs for my mail server - mail.app does appear to intitiate a separate connection for each new message, rather than the methods Eudora, Entourage, Netscape Mail & Outlook Express use - haven't looked into others yet. I think I may have mentioned that as the built-in sendmail is the one doing the sending, this would be why - anyhow, the point is moot now as I have moved to the newest version of Eudora, but it is interesting nonetheless. -- Bye for now, Terry Allen ___________________________________________________________________ hEARd Postal Address: hEARd, 26B Glenning Rd, Glenning Valley, NSW 2261, Australia Internet - WWW: http://heard.com.au or http://www.ozemail.com.au/~hmag http://hosting.heard.com.au - http://itavservices.com Interactive Message Board - http://heard.com.au/wwwboard/ EMAIL: (checked every Thursday & Sunday, sometimes more often) hmag@ozemail.com.au Phone: Australia - 02 4388 1400 / International - + 61 2 43881400 Mobile: Australia - 04 28881400 / International - 61 4 28881400 ----------------------------------------------- Non profit promotion for new music - since 1994 ----------------------------------------------- From jared at 23x.net Mon Oct 20 15:19:56 2003 From: jared at 23x.net (Jared ''Danger'' Earle) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:23 2005 Subject: Troubles with DNS In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 20 Oct 2003, at 19:06, Robert Cerny wrote: > I thought about resolv.conf settings (from my linux backgrounds) but > it looks like it's used differently. ANy ideas? Resolv.conf is the same on OSX Client as on FreeBSD and I assume Linux, so maybe OSX Server is different. -- Jared Earle, Nightfall Games, jared@23x.net - http://www.23x.net "Watashi-wa shin no SUPORUKU desu" From admn5280 at optonline.net Mon Oct 20 17:09:46 2003 From: admn5280 at optonline.net (Charlie Root) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:23 2005 Subject: Finder's broke, it's not APE! Message-ID: I have an ongoing problem with Finder. If I try to "get Info" Finder crashes and (nicely) restarts. Problem is I never get the info I want! Super Get Info by BareBones does work... which is nice, but not optimal. Many have suggested that APE (by Unsanity along with WindowShadeX) is the problem, but I have since uninstalled both and Finder is still broken. I own 10.2 disks, should I try to restore? This is the error (with APE & WindowShadeX installed): Date/Time: 2003-10-20 19:52:44 -0400 OS Version: 10.2.8 (Build 6R73) Host: mrsparkle.local. Command: Finder PID: 945 Exception: EXC_BAD_INSTRUCTION (0x0002) Code[0]: 0x00000002Code[1]: 0x001ec384 Thread 0 Crashed: Thread 1: #0 0x90073ba8 in mach_msg_trap #1 0x90005ed0 in mach_msg #2 0xc0009528 in __ape_internal #3 0xc0001368 in __ape_agent #4 0x90020c28 in _pthread_body Thread 2: #0 0x90073ba8 in mach_msg_trap #1 0x90005ed0 in mach_msg #2 0x901489f0 in __CFRunLoopRun #3 0x90180f58 in CFRunLoopRunSpecific #4 0x90148240 in CFRunLoopRun #5 0x9052d84c in NSLRequestMgrThread::Run() #6 0x9052d640 in LThread::_RunWrapper(void*) #7 0x90020c28 in _pthread_body Thread 3: #0 0x90073ba8 in mach_msg_trap #1 0x90005ed0 in mach_msg #2 0x901489f0 in __CFRunLoopRun #3 0x90180f58 in CFRunLoopRunSpecific #4 0x9465315c in HALRunLoop::OwnThread(void*) #5 0x946593ac in CAPThread::Entry(CAPThread*) #6 0x90020c28 in _pthread_body Thread 4: #0 0x90042588 in semaphore_timedwait_signal_trap #1 0x9003e7b4 in _pthread_cond_wait #2 0x9022ffa4 in MPWaitOnQueue #3 0x90736fc4 in TNodeSyncTask::SyncTaskProc(void*) #4 0x9025e364 in PrivateMPEntryPoint #5 0x90020c28 in _pthread_body PPC Thread State: srr0: 0x001ec384 srr1: 0x0208f030 vrsave: 0x00000000 xer: 0x00000000 lr: 0x001ec258 ctr: 0x90073fec mq: 0x00000000 r0: 0x001ec258 r1: 0xbfff8ce2 r2: 0x48800248 r3: 0x00000000 r4: 0x00000000 r5: 0x00000000 r6: 0x003c424c r7: 0x00000000 r8: 0xa0131e98 r9: 0x003c424c r10: 0x0017bdb4 r11: 0x003c4248 r12: 0x003c424c r13: 0x00000000 r14: 0x00000000 r15: 0x00000000 r16: 0x00000000 r17: 0x00000000 r18: 0x00000000 r19: 0x00000000 r20: 0x00000000 r21: 0x00000000 r22: 0x00000000 r23: 0xbffff018 r24: 0x00000006 r25: 0x00000000 r26: 0x0022bc50 r27: 0x02b818c0 r28: 0x02f57e70 r29: 0x02f61400 r30: 0x02dbf310 r31: 0x02f61400 -- Lou Moran ellem@optonline.net http://ellem.is-a-geek.org:5280/ http://homepage.mac.com/ellem52/ From ssen at opendarwin.org Mon Oct 20 17:30:39 2003 From: ssen at opendarwin.org (Shantonu Sen) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:23 2005 Subject: Finder's broke, it's not APE! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <602EC643-035C-11D8-AEFB-003065FC4CDE@opendarwin.org> You're going to have a tough time convincing anyone it's not APE when the only backtrace you give is one with APE. Is the backtrace the same without APE? Can you attach to the Finder with gdb, try to do a Get Info, and print a full backtrace? This one is missing the interesting thread bt % ps -axwww | grep Finder 238 ?? S 0:17.50 /System/Library/CoreServices/Finder.app/Contents/MacOS/Finder -psn_0_786433 [shantonu@ssen2]$ gdb /System/Library/CoreServices/Finder.app/Contents/MacOS/Finder 238 ... (gdb) continue Continuing. (gdb) thread apply all backtrace Shantonu On Oct 20, 2003, at 4:53 PM, Charlie Root wrote: > I have an ongoing problem with Finder. > > If I try to "get Info" Finder crashes and (nicely) restarts. Problem > is I never get the info I want! > > Super Get Info by BareBones does work... which is nice, but not > optimal. > > Many have suggested that APE (by Unsanity along with WindowShadeX) is > the problem, but I have since uninstalled both and Finder is still > broken. I own 10.2 disks, should I try to restore? This is the error > (with APE & WindowShadeX installed): > > Date/Time: 2003-10-20 19:52:44 -0400 > OS Version: 10.2.8 (Build 6R73) > Host: mrsparkle.local. > > Command: Finder > PID: 945 > > Exception: EXC_BAD_INSTRUCTION (0x0002) > Code[0]: 0x00000002Code[1]: 0x001ec384 > > Thread 0 Crashed: > > Thread 1: > #0 0x90073ba8 in mach_msg_trap > #1 0x90005ed0 in mach_msg > #2 0xc0009528 in __ape_internal > #3 0xc0001368 in __ape_agent > #4 0x90020c28 in _pthread_body > > Thread 2: > #0 0x90073ba8 in mach_msg_trap > #1 0x90005ed0 in mach_msg > #2 0x901489f0 in __CFRunLoopRun > #3 0x90180f58 in CFRunLoopRunSpecific > #4 0x90148240 in CFRunLoopRun > #5 0x9052d84c in NSLRequestMgrThread::Run() > #6 0x9052d640 in LThread::_RunWrapper(void*) > #7 0x90020c28 in _pthread_body > > Thread 3: > #0 0x90073ba8 in mach_msg_trap > #1 0x90005ed0 in mach_msg > #2 0x901489f0 in __CFRunLoopRun > #3 0x90180f58 in CFRunLoopRunSpecific > #4 0x9465315c in HALRunLoop::OwnThread(void*) > #5 0x946593ac in CAPThread::Entry(CAPThread*) > #6 0x90020c28 in _pthread_body > > Thread 4: > #0 0x90042588 in semaphore_timedwait_signal_trap > #1 0x9003e7b4 in _pthread_cond_wait > #2 0x9022ffa4 in MPWaitOnQueue > #3 0x90736fc4 in TNodeSyncTask::SyncTaskProc(void*) > #4 0x9025e364 in PrivateMPEntryPoint > #5 0x90020c28 in _pthread_body > > PPC Thread State: > srr0: 0x001ec384 srr1: 0x0208f030 vrsave: 0x00000000 > xer: 0x00000000 lr: 0x001ec258 ctr: 0x90073fec mq: 0x00000000 > r0: 0x001ec258 r1: 0xbfff8ce2 r2: 0x48800248 r3: 0x00000000 > r4: 0x00000000 r5: 0x00000000 r6: 0x003c424c r7: 0x00000000 > r8: 0xa0131e98 r9: 0x003c424c r10: 0x0017bdb4 r11: 0x003c4248 > r12: 0x003c424c r13: 0x00000000 r14: 0x00000000 r15: 0x00000000 > r16: 0x00000000 r17: 0x00000000 r18: 0x00000000 r19: 0x00000000 > r20: 0x00000000 r21: 0x00000000 r22: 0x00000000 r23: 0xbffff018 > r24: 0x00000006 r25: 0x00000000 r26: 0x0022bc50 r27: 0x02b818c0 > r28: 0x02f57e70 r29: 0x02f61400 r30: 0x02dbf310 r31: 0x02f61400 > > -- > Lou Moran > ellem@optonline.net > http://ellem.is-a-geek.org:5280/ > http://homepage.mac.com/ellem52/ > > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-admin mailing list > MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin From admn5280 at optonline.net Mon Oct 20 20:08:38 2003 From: admn5280 at optonline.net (Charlie Root) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:23 2005 Subject: Finder's broke, it's not APE! In-Reply-To: <602EC643-035C-11D8-AEFB-003065FC4CDE@opendarwin.org> Message-ID: On Monday, October 20, 2003, at 08:20 PM, Shantonu Sen wrote: > (gdb) continue > Continuing. > > (gdb) thread apply all backtrace > > 0x90073ba8 in mach_msg_trap () (gdb) continue Continuing. Reading symbols for shared libraries . done Reading symbols for shared libraries . done Reading symbols for shared libraries . done Program received signal EXC_BAD_INSTRUCTION, Illegal instruction/operand. 0x001ec384 in dyld_stub_NewDataBrowserItemCompareUPP () (gdb) thread apply all backtrace Thread 4 (process 463 thread 0x1403): #0 0x90042588 in semaphore_timedwait_signal_trap () #1 0x9003e7b4 in _pthread_cond_wait () #2 0x0005cb9c in ?? () #3 0x001d34e8 in dyld_stub_NewDataBrowserItemCompareUPP () #4 0x0005c0f0 in ?? () #5 0x90020c28 in _pthread_body () Thread 3 (process 463 thread 0x1303): #0 0x90042588 in semaphore_timedwait_signal_trap () #1 0x9003e7b4 in _pthread_cond_wait () #2 0x9022ffa4 in MPWaitOnQueue () #3 0x90736fc4 in TNodeSyncTask::SyncTaskProc(void*) () #4 0x9025e364 in PrivateMPEntryPoint () #5 0x90020c28 in _pthread_body () Thread 2 (process 463 thread 0xc03): #0 0x90073ba8 in mach_msg_trap () #1 0x90005ed0 in mach_msg () #2 0xc0009528 in __ape_internal () #3 0xc0001368 in __ape_agent () #4 0x90020c28 in _pthread_body () Thread 1 (process 463 thread 0xb03): #0 0x001ec384 in dyld_stub_NewDataBrowserItemCompareUPP () Cannot access memory at address 0x6000000 #1 0x00000000 in ?? () Cannot access memory at address 0x6000000 -- Lou Moran ellem@optonline.net http://ellem.is-a-geek.org:5280/ http://homepage.mac.com/ellem52/ From njriley at uiuc.edu Mon Oct 20 20:52:30 2003 From: njriley at uiuc.edu (Nicholas Riley) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:23 2005 Subject: Finder's broke, it's not APE! In-Reply-To: References: <602EC643-035C-11D8-AEFB-003065FC4CDE@opendarwin.org> Message-ID: <20031021034323.GA6277@uiuc.edu> On Mon, Oct 20, 2003 at 10:54:55PM -0400, Charlie Root wrote: > > Thread 2 (process 463 thread 0xc03): > #0 0x90073ba8 in mach_msg_trap () > #1 0x90005ed0 in mach_msg () > #2 0xc0009528 in __ape_internal () > #3 0xc0001368 in __ape_agent () > #4 0x90020c28 in _pthread_body () As long as APE is installed, you're not isolating anything. Turn off APE for a login session. There are plenty of ways to do so - the easiest is to hold down Shift when you log in. -- =Nicholas Riley | From magill at mcgillsociety.org Mon Oct 20 21:27:46 2003 From: magill at mcgillsociety.org (William H. Magill) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:23 2005 Subject: Mail.app / other mail client email options In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Monday, October 20, 2003, at 12:44 PM, Chad Leigh -- ObjectWerks Inc. wrote: > On Monday, October 20, 2003, at 03:23 AM, Terry Allen wrote: >>> On Monday, October 20, 2003, at 12:13 AM, Lukreme wrote: >>>> I believe this is correct. I believe it is also correct behavior >>>> according to RFCs and that Eudora's pipelining of multiple messages >>>> into a single smtp connection is not recommended, but I could be >>>> misremembering here. >>> >>> There is nothing wrong with pipelining AFAIK. Cuts down on traffic. >>> In fact, I'd be surprised if Mail.app doesn't do it when you have a >>> bunch of mails that for some reason couldn't be sent. When you all >>> of a sudden get a valid connection and it starts sending, it sends >>> them all pretty fast and it appears to only be connecting once based >>> on the messages in the status window. >>> >>> When I used Eudora, the queuing for sending later was nice, but that >>> was before I had broadband. Now I don't care. And it does do it in >>> the background anyway, which IIRC Eudora didn't do back in the >>> 1997-1998 version I last used, unless you turned queuing on. So the >>> main use IMNSHO of the Eudora queuing, which was background sending, >>> is taken care of. >>> >> Hi again, >> From a network admin point of view, pipelining is a nice traffic >> reducer - from my analsys of what Mail.app is doing, it's making an >> individual connection for each message - it also rebuilds the mail >> database every few minutes, which drives me somewhat insane as the >> windows keep showing little messages all over the place. >> > > Does Mail.app send them one message at a time when they are queued? > That is what I was talking about and I think it pipelines them. The > status window messages seem to show this. > > How does one get messages queued? If you have a bunch of messages > that cannot be delivered, they get queued and will automatically get > sent next time you try and send mail (or after a set time I think). If you are offline, queued messages are found in the "out" box. If you are online and watch carefully, (or have a slow connection) you will see them there before they are sent. Messages in the queue are re-tried on the same interval as you poll the server I believe. The default being every 5 minutes. T.T.F.N. William H. Magill # Beige G3 - Rev A motherboard - 768 Meg # Flat-panel iMac (2.1) 800MHz - Super Drive - 768 Meg # PWS433a [Alpha 21164 Rev 7.2 (EV56)- 64 Meg]- Tru64 5.1a magill@mcgillsociety.org magill@acm.org magill@mac.com From magill at mcgillsociety.org Mon Oct 20 21:39:15 2003 From: magill at mcgillsociety.org (William H. Magill) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:23 2005 Subject: Qpopper and imapd on Panther. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sunday, October 19, 2003, at 12:41 PM, Rosyna wrote: > I'm trying to get a mail server (pop3) working on my new g5. I used to > run qpopper on my g4 running jaguar. I've compiled both qpopper and > uw's imap and neither of them will let me log in. I assume this is > because panther uses shadow passwords instead of crypt. Does anyone > know how I can fix this? Are you certain you used the same compile/configuration options? Depending on what you really mean, OS X has never used crypt, it has always used "shadow passwords" ... that is to say the passwords are NOT in /etc/password, and never were. They are in Netinfo. (Since Panther has not been released, I'm assuming that you have a matching pre-build and Developer tools release. You cannot use the Jaguar Developer tools with Panther. The headers do not match. And there was more than one during the testing cycle.) If you are using one of the bootleg versions off the net, I wouldn't expect anything to work... despite what whoever posted it claimed. T.T.F.N. William H. Magill # Beige G3 - Rev A motherboard - 768 Meg # Flat-panel iMac (2.1) 800MHz - Super Drive - 768 Meg # PWS433a [Alpha 21164 Rev 7.2 (EV56)- 64 Meg]- Tru64 5.1a magill@mcgillsociety.org magill@acm.org magill@mac.com From omni_osx_ml at todoo.biz Tue Oct 21 00:16:41 2003 From: omni_osx_ml at todoo.biz (omni_osx_ml@todoo.biz) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:23 2005 Subject: Troubles with DNS In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Le 20/10/03 19:06, ??Robert Cerny?? a ?crit?: > Hi folks, > I'm looking for an advice. I have an OS X server running NAT and DNS. I > did set it up correctly (as far I can say) but still have a small > problem. All "local" machines on 192.168.1 network are able to get to > internet w/o problems, but when I login using ssh or any other remote > tool to server, the name resolving doesn't work. It means I'm not able > to ping www.apple.com from server's console. I thought about > resolv.conf settings (from my linux backgrounds) but it looks like it's > used differently. ANy ideas? Has your server got two ethernet interfaces ? If so has the one that's connected on the internet got the right settings for the DNS ? Obviously if you have 2 ethers, It looks like you can't reach your DNS configured on the other eth. Have you tried using nslookup and dig to get more precise answer ? Ex : dig @your.name.server www.google.fr any > > Thanks > Robert ________________________________________________ ???????????????????????????????????????????????? ???????????????????????????????????????????????? Gregober ---> PGP ID --> 0x1BA3C2FD omni_osx_ml @at@ todoo.biz ________________________________________________ ???????????????????????????????????????????????? ???????????????????????????????????????????????? From ssen at opendarwin.org Tue Oct 21 00:25:18 2003 From: ssen at opendarwin.org (Shantonu Sen) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:23 2005 Subject: Qpopper and imapd on Panther. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6DE1466F-0394-11D8-8D1C-003065FC4CDE@opendarwin.org> On Oct 20, 2003, at 9:26 PM, William H. Magill wrote: > On Sunday, October 19, 2003, at 12:41 PM, Rosyna wrote: >> I'm trying to get a mail server (pop3) working on my new g5. I used >> to run qpopper on my g4 running jaguar. I've compiled both qpopper >> and uw's imap and neither of them will let me log in. I assume this >> is because panther uses shadow passwords instead of crypt. Does >> anyone know how I can fix this? > > Are you certain you used the same compile/configuration options? > > Depending on what you really mean, OS X has never used crypt, it has > always used "shadow passwords" ... that is to say the passwords are > NOT in /etc/password, and never were. They are in Netinfo. Wrong. Mac OS X has always used crypted password hashes, not shadow passwords. These were stored in Netinfo, but were still publicly accessible (shadow passwords are not). Starting in 10.3 Mac OS X *will* support shadow passwords (although not stored in /etc/shadow) Shantonu From xsa at scmbb.ulb.ac.be Tue Oct 21 01:25:59 2003 From: xsa at scmbb.ulb.ac.be (Xavier Santolaria) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:23 2005 Subject: Troubles with DNS In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <6143F270-039E-11D8-A411-000393A6EA2A@scmbb.ulb.ac.be> hi Robert, On Monday, October 20, 2003, at 07:06 PM, Robert Cerny wrote: > Hi folks, > I'm looking for an advice. I have an OS X server running NAT and DNS. > I did set it up correctly (as far I can say) but still have a small > problem. All "local" machines on 192.168.1 network are able to get to > internet w/o problems, but when I login using ssh or any other remote > tool to server, the name resolving doesn't work. It means I'm not able > to ping www.apple.com from server's console. I thought about > resolv.conf settings (from my linux backgrounds) but it looks like > it's used differently. ANy ideas? Try setting your ISP NS servers in /etc/resolv.conf - see if it works. Try setting "lookup file bind" in /etc/resolv.conf - see if it works. At least one of these steps should work. HTH, - Xavier. From robertcerny at mac.com Tue Oct 21 01:36:57 2003 From: robertcerny at mac.com (Robert Cerny) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:23 2005 Subject: Troubles with DNS In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <83BE0643-03A0-11D8-9E30-000A95D9A83A@mac.com> Ehh, I got it. I dunno when or how but the DNS field in the second ethernet card was suddenly empty... I corrected it and now it works. Thanks for help Robert On 21.10.2003, at 8:50, omni_osx_ml@todoo.biz wrote: > Le 20/10/03 19:06, ??Robert Cerny?? a ?crit?: > >> Hi folks, >> I'm looking for an advice. I have an OS X server running NAT and DNS. >> I >> did set it up correctly (as far I can say) but still have a small >> problem. All "local" machines on 192.168.1 network are able to get to >> internet w/o problems, but when I login using ssh or any other remote >> tool to server, the name resolving doesn't work. It means I'm not able >> to ping www.apple.com from server's console. I thought about >> resolv.conf settings (from my linux backgrounds) but it looks like >> it's >> used differently. ANy ideas? > > Has your server got two ethernet interfaces ? > > If so has the one that's connected on the internet got the right > settings > for the DNS ? > > Obviously if you have 2 ethers, It looks like you can't reach your DNS > configured on the other eth. > > Have you tried using nslookup and dig to get more precise answer ? > > Ex : dig @your.name.server www.google.fr any > >> >> Thanks >> Robert > > ________________________________________________ > ???????????????????????????????????????????????? > ???????????????????????????????????????????????? > Gregober ---> PGP ID --> 0x1BA3C2FD > omni_osx_ml @at@ todoo.biz > ________________________________________________ > ???????????????????????????????????????????????? > ???????????????????????????????????????????????? > > > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-admin mailing list > MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin > From scott at hastings.com Tue Oct 21 02:35:19 2003 From: scott at hastings.com (Larry Scott Hastings) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:23 2005 Subject: CLI shutdown command Message-ID: I'm looking for a CLI-equivalent of the "Shut Down..." command from the apple menu, specifically one that powers down the Mac on shutdown. I currently use the "shutdown" command, but since I haven't found an argument to the command that also powers down my B&W G3, I wind up pressing the power button after issuing the command. -- Hook'em --Scott H. From cueball at cyllene.uwa.edu.au Tue Oct 21 02:57:14 2003 From: cueball at cyllene.uwa.edu.au (Mark Glossop) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:23 2005 Subject: CLI shutdown command In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 21/10/2003, at 5:00 AM, Larry Scott Hastings wrote: > I'm looking for a CLI-equivalent of the "Shut Down..." command from > the apple menu, specifically one that powers down the Mac on shutdown. > > I currently use the "shutdown" command, but since I haven't found an > argument to the command that also powers down my B&W G3, I wind up > pressing the power button after issuing the command. > -- > > Hook'em > --Scott H. > > Does: % osascript -e 'tell application "Finder" to shut down' work as you would expect? Cheers, Mark -- ________________________________________________________________________ _____ Mark Glossop - Computer Support Officer & Programmer Multimedia Centre [2.32/M206]; Faculty of Arts, Humanities and Social Sciences, UWA P +61 8 9380 2196 E cueball@cyllene.uwa.edu.au F +61 8 9380 1182 W http://www.artsmmc.uwa.edu.au From admn5280 at optonline.net Tue Oct 21 03:12:43 2003 From: admn5280 at optonline.net (Charlie Root) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:23 2005 Subject: Finder's broke, it's not APE! In-Reply-To: <20031021034323.GA6277@uiuc.edu> Message-ID: <15F5BDB0-03AD-11D8-924B-000A277DD728@optonline.net> On Monday, October 20, 2003, at 11:43 PM, Nicholas Riley wrote: > On Mon, Oct 20, 2003 at 10:54:55PM -0400, Charlie Root wrote: >> >> Thread 2 (process 463 thread 0xc03): >> #0 0x90073ba8 in mach_msg_trap () >> #1 0x90005ed0 in mach_msg () >> #2 0xc0009528 in __ape_internal () >> #3 0xc0001368 in __ape_agent () >> #4 0x90020c28 in _pthread_body () > > As long as APE is installed, you're not isolating anything. Turn off > APE for a login session. There are plenty of ways to do so - the > easiest is to hold down Shift when you log in. Sorry I thought i was supposed to leave APE on. This is an AFZ (APE Free Zone): Thread 4 (process 661 thread 0x1403): #0 0x90042588 in semaphore_timedwait_signal_trap () #1 0x9003e7b4 in _pthread_cond_wait () #2 0x9022ffa4 in MPWaitOnQueue () #3 0x9073dcd8 in TIconRefTask::IconRefTaskProc(void*) () #4 0x9025e364 in PrivateMPEntryPoint () #5 0x90020c28 in _pthread_body () Thread 3 (process 661 thread 0x1303): #0 0x90042588 in semaphore_timedwait_signal_trap () #1 0x9003e7b4 in _pthread_cond_wait () #2 0x0005cb9c in ?? () #3 0x001d34e8 in dyld_stub_NewDataBrowserItemCompareUPP () #4 0x0005c0f0 in ?? () #5 0x90020c28 in _pthread_body () Thread 2 (process 661 thread 0xc03): #0 0x90042588 in semaphore_timedwait_signal_trap () #1 0x9003e7b4 in _pthread_cond_wait () #2 0x9022ffa4 in MPWaitOnQueue () #3 0x90736fc4 in TNodeSyncTask::SyncTaskProc(void*) () #4 0x9025e364 in PrivateMPEntryPoint () #5 0x90020c28 in _pthread_body () Thread 1 (process 661 thread 0xb03): #0 0x001ec384 in dyld_stub_NewDataBrowserItemCompareUPP () Cannot access memory at address 0x6000000 #1 0x00000000 in ?? () Cannot access memory at address 0x6000000 (gdb) -- Lou Moran ellem@optonline.net http://ellem.is-a-geek.org:5280/ http://homepage.mac.com/ellem52/ From ocs at ocs.cz Tue Oct 21 03:31:21 2003 From: ocs at ocs.cz (Ondra Cada) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:23 2005 Subject: CLI shutdown command In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Monday, Oct 20, 2003, at 23:00 Europe/Prague, Larry Scott Hastings wrote: > I currently use the "shutdown" command, but since I haven't found an > argument to the command that also powers down my B&W G3, I wind up > pressing the power button after issuing the command. -h does not work anymore? It used to when I've tried last time... --- Ondra ?ada OCSoftware: ocs@ocs.cz http://www.ocs.cz private ondra@ocs.cz http://www.ocs.cz/oc From andrina at corefa.com Tue Oct 21 06:53:02 2003 From: andrina at corefa.com (Andrina Kelly) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:23 2005 Subject: CLI shutdown command In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <82968ED6-03CD-11D8-9092-000393D39CBA@corefa.com> try shutdown -h now cheers, Andrina On Monday, October 20, 2003, at 05:00 PM, Larry Scott Hastings wrote: > I'm looking for a CLI-equivalent of the "Shut Down..." command from > the apple menu, specifically one that powers down the Mac on shutdown. > > I currently use the "shutdown" command, but since I haven't found an > argument to the command that also powers down my B&W G3, I wind up > pressing the power button after issuing the command. > -- > > Hook'em > --Scott H. > > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-admin mailing list > MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin > > ........................................................... andrina kelly email: andrina@corefa.com c.o.r.e. feature animation http://www.coredp.com ........................................................... -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/enriched Size: 1001 bytes Desc: not available Url : /mailman/archive/macosx-admin/attachments/20031021/d5d667ee/attachment.bin From macosx-admin at zzamboni.org Tue Oct 21 07:31:11 2003 From: macosx-admin at zzamboni.org (Diego Zamboni) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:23 2005 Subject: CLI shutdown command In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1066744902.457.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> > I currently use the "shutdown" command, but since I haven't found an > argument to the command that also powers down my B&W G3, I wind up > pressing the power button after issuing the command. "shutdown -h" usually powers down the machine (it does on my PB G4, at least) --Diego From subscriber at gloaming.com Tue Oct 21 08:50:30 2003 From: subscriber at gloaming.com (James Bucanek) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:23 2005 Subject: CLI shutdown command Message-ID: Larry Scott Hastings wrote on Monday, October 20, 2003: >I'm looking for a CLI-equivalent of the "Shut Down..." command from >the apple menu, specifically one that powers down the Mac on shutdown. halt Others have suggested the 'shutdown' tool, but this is superfluous on OS X and I've encountered systems where it doesn't work. The reason is that shutdown notifies all logged in shell users of the impending shutdown using wall. The problem is that wall sometimes fails on OS X (it's user notification system is a bit flaky) and shutdown gets stuck. Besides, there is no one to notify (unless you have other users telnetting into your system all the time), and shutdown eventually just starts reboot or halt to do the actual work. So skip the middle man and just run halt. From shawn at freetimesw.com Tue Oct 21 09:02:03 2003 From: shawn at freetimesw.com (Shawn Erickson) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:23 2005 Subject: Finder's broke, it's not APE! In-Reply-To: <15F5BDB0-03AD-11D8-924B-000A277DD728@optonline.net> Message-ID: On Tuesday, October 21, 2003, at 02:58 AM, Charlie Root wrote: > Thread 1 (process 661 thread 0xb03): > #0 0x001ec384 in dyld_stub_NewDataBrowserItemCompareUPP () > Cannot access memory at address 0x6000000 > #1 0x00000000 in ?? () > Cannot access memory at address 0x6000000 > (gdb) On a whim try updating the pre-binding... sudo update_prebinding -force -files /System/Library/CoreServices/Finder.app/Contents/MacOS/Finder ...or possibly the prebinding on your whole system... sudo update_prebinding -root / -Shawn From robertcerny at mac.com Tue Oct 21 10:31:18 2003 From: robertcerny at mac.com (Robert Cerny) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:23 2005 Subject: NAT and Firewall Message-ID: Hi folks, does anyone have a NAT and firewall running together on OS X Server? Any pointers? Thanks Robert From admn5280 at optonline.net Tue Oct 21 11:39:02 2003 From: admn5280 at optonline.net (Charlie Root) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:23 2005 Subject: Finder's broke, it's not APE! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tuesday, October 21, 2003, at 10:34 AM, Shawn Erickson wrote: > sudo update_prebinding -force -files > /System/Library/CoreServices/Finder.app/Contents/MacOS/Finder > Nope. Thanks though I learned about update_prebinding. .. and that was cool. -- Lou Moran ellem@optonline.net http://ellem.is-a-geek.org:5280/ http://homepage.mac.com/ellem52/ From david.mcrell at danetracks.com Tue Oct 21 13:23:06 2003 From: david.mcrell at danetracks.com (David McRell) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:23 2005 Subject: Using LDAP for email listings Message-ID: I've added phone numbers and email addresses to my user accounts. I can access this via LDAP with Address Book, Entourage, etc.. OS X clients' Address Book once saw "Directory Services" without LDAP (via NetInfo?), I broke that, and now I've got it working with a DHCP server option. Address Book's DS support is currently too limited to be really useful and most users still run OS 9. Entourage needs to be configured manually, which is a small drawback, but at least it covers OS 9/X and pulls all the mails and phone numbers for a given user. Ultimately, I'd like to have a web page listing everyone's email, which I've added to my users' accounts. Any suggestions? Compliling PHP with OpenLDAP support ... Has anyone built a recent version of PHP (4.3.3) for OS X Server (10.2.6)? I find relatively little info on compiling or installations for OS X Server, specifically. Will I need to recompile httpd? That scares me a little. How about Marc Liyanage's install? From his site: http://www.entropy.ch/software/macosx/php/ > Will this run on Mac OS X Server? (a.k.a. error message Undefined symbols: > _checkpw ) > > It should. You might need to add the MIME type mappings for the .php file > extensions. Check the user forums. Many questions - TIA. -- David McRell - Danetracks, Inc. 7356 Santa Monica Blvd. West Hollywood, CA 90046 Tel 323-512-8160 Fax 323-512-8163 From kremels at kreme.com Tue Oct 21 14:24:02 2003 From: kremels at kreme.com (LuKreme) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:23 2005 Subject: CLI shutdown command In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Oct 20, 2003, at 3:00 PM, Larry Scott Hastings wrote: > I'm looking for a CLI-equivalent of the "Shut Down..." command from > the apple menu, specifically one that powers down the Mac on shutdown. man shutdown shutdown -h should turn off the machine, iirc. OTOH, why woul danyone ever turn OFF a machine without being present? -- Use your key, unlock the door, see what fate might have in store. Come explore your dreams and Creations, Enter the world of imagination. From kremels at kreme.com Tue Oct 21 14:33:44 2003 From: kremels at kreme.com (LuKreme) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:23 2005 Subject: CLI shutdown command In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <78D805BA-040D-11D8-A247-003065AB9B0E@kreme.com> On Oct 21, 2003, at 9:36 AM, James Bucanek wrote: > Larry Scott Hastings wrote on Monday, October 20, 2003: >> I'm looking for a CLI-equivalent of the "Shut Down..." command from >> the apple menu, specifically one that powers down the Mac on shutdown. > > halt > > Others have suggested the 'shutdown' tool, but this is superfluous on > OS X and I've encountered systems where it doesn't work. The reason > is that shutdown notifies all logged in shell users of the impending > shutdown using wall. The problem is that wall sometimes fails on OS X > (it's user notification system is a bit flaky) and shutdown gets > stuck. Besides, there is no one to notify (unless you have other > users telnetting into your system all the time), and shutdown > eventually just starts reboot or halt to do the actual work. So skip > the middle man and just run halt. This is, in fact, a Bad Idea?. You should NOT use halt. Shutdown does everything right, stopping services, cleaning up, writing logs, etc. halt should only be used under dire emergencies where shutdown has failed. -- I listen to the wind, to the wind of my soul From macosx at wooz.org Tue Oct 21 14:40:25 2003 From: macosx at wooz.org (Barry Warsaw) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:23 2005 Subject: Spinning down disks Message-ID: <1066771973.5750.244.camel@anthem> I've just fiddled with my energy saver options so that OSX 10.2.8 on my G4 DA puts my disk to sleep when possible. I actually have three SCSI160 drives and a firewire drive -- is there any way to tell what the OS is actually doing to those drives? When does it sleep them? Does it sleep them all? Is it all-or-nothing (I definitely use my system drive more than any of the others)? Every so often (say 15-20minutes) it sounds like a drive is getting spun back up, but I can't tell why. The system is pretty idle AFAICT. Thanks for any info, -Barry From subscriber at gloaming.com Tue Oct 21 14:56:02 2003 From: subscriber at gloaming.com (James Bucanek) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:23 2005 Subject: CLI shutdown command In-Reply-To: <78D805BA-040D-11D8-A247-003065AB9B0E@kreme.com> Message-ID: LuKreme wrote on Tuesday, October 21, 2003: >On Oct 21, 2003, at 9:36 AM, James Bucanek wrote: >> >> halt >> > >This is, in fact, a Bad Idea?. You should NOT use halt. Here's a better idea: RTFM >Shutdown does everything right, stopping services, cleaning up, writing >logs, etc. > >halt should only be used under dire emergencies where shutdown has >failed. Unlike other flavors of UNIX, halt (and reboot) "does the right thing"; All processes are correctly terminated, the file system is synced, etc. In BSD UNIX, shutdown simply launches halt (or reboot). shutdown itself does nothing except provide for notification and scheduling, neither of which are needed is OS X. Thus, reboot or halt are the preferred methods for directly restarting or shutting down the system. ______________________________________________________ James Bucanek From shoop at iWiring.Net Tue Oct 21 15:22:01 2003 From: shoop at iWiring.Net (Dan Shoop) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:23 2005 Subject: Spinning down disks In-Reply-To: <1066771973.5750.244.camel@anthem> References: <1066771973.5750.244.camel@anthem> Message-ID: At 5:32 PM -0400 10/21/03, Barry Warsaw wrote: >I've just fiddled with my energy saver options so that OSX 10.2.8 on my >G4 DA puts my disk to sleep when possible. I actually have three >SCSI160 drives and a firewire drive -- is there any way to tell what the >OS is actually doing to those drives? When does it sleep them? Does it >sleep them all? Is it all-or-nothing (I definitely use my system drive >more than any of the others)? > >Every so often (say 15-20minutes) it sounds like a drive is getting spun >back up, but I can't tell why. The system is pretty idle AFAICT. man fs_usage -dhan +------------------------------------------------------------------------+ Dan Shoop shoop@iwiring.net Consulting Internet Architect shoop@mac.com AIM: iWiring From scott at maxify.com Tue Oct 21 15:47:43 2003 From: scott at maxify.com (Scott Stevenson) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:23 2005 Subject: Spinning down disks In-Reply-To: <1066771973.5750.244.camel@anthem> Message-ID: <6D4E7C92-0417-11D8-8C82-003065CA9E5A@maxify.com> On Tuesday, October 21, 2003, at 02:32 PM, Barry Warsaw wrote: > I've just fiddled with my energy saver options so that OSX 10.2.8 on my > G4 DA puts my disk to sleep when possible. I actually have three > SCSI160 drives and a firewire drive -- is there any way to tell what > the > OS is actually doing to those drives? When does it sleep them? Does > it > sleep them all? My experience is that they are spun down independently of one another. Each disk will spin down after it hasn't been used for a while, and will spin up only when needed. > Every so often (say 15-20minutes) it sounds like a drive is getting > spun > back up, but I can't tell why. The system is pretty idle AFAICT. It's hard to say why without knowing your environment exactly, but opening or saving a file is not the only reason a disk would be needing. Swapping, loading resources, etc. Also, it seems like some older Mac apps that have been ported to Carbon still find it necessarily to access all mounted disks when you open a file dialog. BBEdit is one that comes to mind. I have two IDE drives, so things may be different with 3 SCSI and 1 Firewire. - Scott -- Tree House Ideas http://treehouseideas.com/ From macosx at wooz.org Wed Oct 22 05:15:57 2003 From: macosx at wooz.org (Barry Warsaw) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:23 2005 Subject: Spinning down disks In-Reply-To: <6D4E7C92-0417-11D8-8C82-003065CA9E5A@maxify.com> References: <6D4E7C92-0417-11D8-8C82-003065CA9E5A@maxify.com> Message-ID: <1066824416.10549.7.camel@anthem> On Tue, 2003-10-21 at 18:39, Scott Stevenson wrote: > My experience is that they are spun down independently of one another. > > Each disk will spin down after it hasn't been used for a while, and > will spin up only when needed. Cool. > > Every so often (say 15-20minutes) it sounds like a drive is getting > > spun > > back up, but I can't tell why. The system is pretty idle AFAICT. > > It's hard to say why without knowing your environment exactly, but > opening or saving a file is not the only reason a disk would be > needing. Swapping, loading resources, etc. Also, it seems like some > older Mac apps that have been ported to Carbon still find it > necessarily to access all mounted disks when you open a file dialog. > BBEdit is one that comes to mind. I'd expect the system disk to be more active than the other disks, for things like the swap partition, logging, etc. Then again, I probably would expect the kernel to spin down the system disk less often, but that doesn't seem to be the case. I played around with fs_usage a bit, but it didn't give me too many clues. Even after a fresh reboot, I saw a bunch of output without much correlation to the spin up/spin down behavior of the disks. Thanks, -Barry From dwikeley at utas.edu.au Wed Oct 22 06:03:04 2003 From: dwikeley at utas.edu.au (dwikeley) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:23 2005 Subject: Using LDAP for email listings In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <32CABBEE-0456-11D8-8525-000A959DD9D2@utas.edu.au> We are running PHP 4.3.3 on OSXS 10.2.6 without problems no compiling of httpd needed, make sure you add the specific modules to the httpd.conf for php. Check Marc's web page for more info. On Wednesday, Oct 22, 2003, at 07:22 Australia/Tasmania, David McRell wrote: > I've added phone numbers and email addresses to my user accounts. I > can > access this via LDAP with Address Book, Entourage, etc.. > > OS X clients' Address Book once saw "Directory Services" without LDAP > (via > NetInfo?), I broke that, and now I've got it working with a DHCP server > option. Address Book's DS support is currently too limited to be > really > useful and most users still run OS 9. > > Entourage needs to be configured manually, which is a small drawback, > but at > least it covers OS 9/X and pulls all the mails and phone numbers for a > given > user. > > Ultimately, I'd like to have a web page listing everyone's email, > which I've > added to my users' accounts. Any suggestions? > > Compliling PHP with OpenLDAP support ... > > Has anyone built a recent version of PHP (4.3.3) for OS X Server > (10.2.6)? > I find relatively little info on compiling or installations for OS X > Server, > specifically. Will I need to recompile httpd? That scares me a > little. > > How about Marc Liyanage's install? From his site: > > http://www.entropy.ch/software/macosx/php/ > >> Will this run on Mac OS X Server? (a.k.a. error message Undefined >> symbols: >> _checkpw ) >> >> It should. You might need to add the MIME type mappings for the .php >> file >> extensions. Check the user forums. > > Many questions - TIA. > -- > David McRell - Danetracks, Inc. > 7356 Santa Monica Blvd. > West Hollywood, CA 90046 > Tel 323-512-8160 Fax 323-512-8163 > > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-admin mailing list > MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin > > David Wikeley IT Manager Faculty of Health Science University of Tasmania From scott at hastings.com Wed Oct 22 08:30:30 2003 From: scott at hastings.com (Larry Scott Hastings) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:23 2005 Subject: CLI shutdown command In-Reply-To: <1066744902.457.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1066744902.457.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: Thanks, guys. "shutdown -h" didn't work at first, but if I run "shutdown -k" first, then "shutdown -h" it works fine. I haven't tried the "halt" command by itself yet. At 4:02 PM +0200 10/21/03, Diego Zamboni wrote: > > I currently use the "shutdown" command, but since I haven't found an >> argument to the command that also powers down my B&W G3, I wind up >> pressing the power button after issuing the command. > >"shutdown -h" usually powers down the machine (it does on my PB G4, at >least) > >--Diego > > >_______________________________________________ >MacOSX-admin mailing list >MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com >http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin -- Hook'em --Scott H. From Jim.Bowen at hillsdale.edu Wed Oct 22 13:18:00 2003 From: Jim.Bowen at hillsdale.edu (Jim Bowen) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:23 2005 Subject: Trying to print a .PS document? Message-ID: <78F704710C0A104C968A7C27C792EB52DB7A87@fs1.hillsdale.edu> > I'm trying to print a .PS document from a Mac OS X machine to a network printer via LPR (Print Server is a Win2000 box). > > I've tried the command below (and many permutations of the command) but keep getting the error message "ERROR: Unable to print." > > Any suggestions? > > 1. Launch Terminal.app > 2. #Print [-P printer] [-M doctype {ps/pdf/txt}] [-S server] filename > Example: #Print -M pdf /Adobe.pdf > will print to the Default Printer of the Local server the pdf doc "Adobe" > From trang at condor.circa.ufl.edu Wed Oct 22 13:50:00 2003 From: trang at condor.circa.ufl.edu (Trang Le) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:23 2005 Subject: Customize loginwindow Message-ID: <3F96EB77.8020506@condor.circa.ufl.edu> I like to replace the "blue apple" image with my department logo. I replaced the /System/Library/CoreServices/SecurityAgentPlugins/loginwindow.bundle/Contents/Resources/loginpanel.tiff with my loginpanel.tiff. I used Photoshop to create my image and saved that in tiff format. Somehow the LoginWondow still displays the "blue apple" picture. Is there something else that needs to be done that I missed? Thanks, Trang From subscriber at gloaming.com Wed Oct 22 14:25:26 2003 From: subscriber at gloaming.com (James Bucanek) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:23 2005 Subject: Trying to print a .PS document? In-Reply-To: <78F704710C0A104C968A7C27C792EB52DB7A87@fs1.hillsdale.edu> Message-ID: Jim Bowen wrote on Wednesday, October 22, 2003: >> I'm trying to print a .PS document from a Mac OS X machine to a network printer via LPR (Print Server is a >Win2000 box). >> >> I've tried the command below (and many permutations of the command) but keep getting the error message "ERROR: >Unable to print." >> >> Any suggestions? Open Print Center Drop the .ps file onto the name of the PostScript printer. ______________________________________________________ James Bucanek From david.mcrell at danetracks.com Wed Oct 22 14:37:01 2003 From: david.mcrell at danetracks.com (David McRell) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:23 2005 Subject: Using LDAP for email listings In-Reply-To: <32CABBEE-0456-11D8-8525-000A959DD9D2@utas.edu.au> Message-ID: > We are running PHP 4.3.3 on OSXS 10.2.6 without problems no compiling > of httpd needed, make sure you add the specific modules to the > httpd.conf for php. Check Marc's web page for more info. > Thanks. I didn't bother compiling this time around. On my OSXS 10.2.6, installing Marc's packaged PHP 4.3.3 (www.entropy.ch Release 2) worked like a charm. That Marc - he's a real gone gasser! :) -- DM From trang at condor.circa.ufl.edu Wed Oct 22 16:00:25 2003 From: trang at condor.circa.ufl.edu (Trang Le) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:23 2005 Subject: Customize loginwindow References: <3F96EB77.8020506@condor.circa.ufl.edu> Message-ID: <3F970891.5090508@condor.circa.ufl.edu> I was able to change the "name" and color to "userid" in the LoginWindow, based on the custom_loginwindow's instruction from macosxlabs, but I could not change that "apple" picture. I renamed the loginpanel.tiff to loginpanel_backup.tiff and then copied my loginpanel.tiff to that long directory. I changed the owner of the loginpanel.tiff to root:wheel, but it did not help. Trang Le James Reynolds wrote: > See: > > http://www.macosxlabs.org/documentation/custom_loginwindow/intro.html > > -- > > Thanks, > > James Reynolds > University of Utah > Student Computing Labs > james@scl.utah.edu > 801-585-9811 > > At 4:41 PM -0400 10/22/03, Trang Le wrote: > >> I like to replace the "blue apple" image with my department logo. I >> replaced the >> /System/Library/CoreServices/SecurityAgentPlugins/loginwindow.bundle/Contents/Resources/loginpanel.tiff >> with my loginpanel.tiff. I used Photoshop to create my image and >> saved that in tiff format. >> >> Somehow the LoginWondow still displays the "blue apple" picture. Is >> there something else that needs to be done that I missed? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Trang >> _______________________________________________ >> maclabmanager mailing list | maclabmanager@lists.apple.com >> Help/Unsubscribe/Archives: >> http://www.lists.apple.com/mailman/listinfo/maclabmanager >> Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. > > > From jared at 23x.net Wed Oct 22 16:34:00 2003 From: jared at 23x.net (Jared ''Danger'' Earle) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:23 2005 Subject: CLI shutdown command In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 21 Oct 2003, at 23:23, LuKreme wrote: > should turn off the machine, iirc. OTOH, why woul danyone ever turn > OFF a machine without being present? When you don't want it to reboot, of course ... -- Jared Earle, Nightfall Games, jared@23x.net - http://www.23x.net "No SPORK today. SPORK tomorrow. There's always SPORK tomorrow." From jared at 23x.net Wed Oct 22 16:37:29 2003 From: jared at 23x.net (Jared ''Danger'' Earle) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:23 2005 Subject: CLI shutdown command In-Reply-To: <78D805BA-040D-11D8-A247-003065AB9B0E@kreme.com> References: <78D805BA-040D-11D8-A247-003065AB9B0E@kreme.com> Message-ID: On 21 Oct 2003, at 23:28, LuKreme wrote: > This is, in fact, a Bad Idea?. You should NOT use halt. > > Shutdown does everything right, stopping services, cleaning up, > writing logs, etc. > > halt should only be used under dire emergencies where shutdown has > failed. ...Not if you're using ACPI.
and that's all I have to say about that
-- Jared Earle, Nightfall Games, jared@23x.net - http://www.23x.net "It was like ... a bummer. My name is Ellen Feiss and I'm a SPORK" From bradyt at mac.com Wed Oct 22 20:15:38 2003 From: bradyt at mac.com (Terry Brady) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:23 2005 Subject: No identd in Panther Message-ID: <63572DF3-0506-11D8-8DCD-000A959DD426@mac.com> Hi all, I've been playing with authentication and the squid caching proxy server on 10.2 and 10.3. I was really surprised to discover that /usr/libexec/identd is missing on 10.3, and here's the xinetd configuration: [bradyt@host114 ~]$ cat /etc/xinetd.d/auth service auth { disable = no socket_type = stream wait = no user = root server = /usr/bin/false groups = yes flags = REUSE IPv6 } Does anybody have any thoughts as to why this would have been removed? Or where I could get a drop-in replacement? Thanks, Terry From rpeskin at rlpcon.com Wed Oct 22 22:03:06 2003 From: rpeskin at rlpcon.com (Richard Peskin) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:23 2005 Subject: vm questions Message-ID: <1D7281A6-0516-11D8-917C-000393639B02@rlpcon.com> I noticed that the /var/vm directory has a sub-directory named "app_profile". (I didn't track when this first appeared; was it in 10.1? What are the files in this directory and what process writes these files? Also, the default swap size for the "dynamic_pager" command used to be 20000000 bytes; now it looks like it is 67000000 (or something like that). Finally, what is the current thinking concerning use of a separate swap partition? I have used separate swap partitions for several years. It can't hurt but is it still useful? thanks, --dick peskin From Mailing.Appledev at xs4all.nl Thu Oct 23 00:31:54 2003 From: Mailing.Appledev at xs4all.nl (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_van_Amerongen?=) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:23 2005 Subject: Medion Scanner Drivers In-Reply-To: <1D7281A6-0516-11D8-917C-000393639B02@rlpcon.com> Message-ID: <97180636-052A-11D8-93F7-0003937C32E4@xs4all.nl> Hi We need some help. My son did get a medion scanner. But we couldnt find drivers. Someone has a Medion scanner running? Does it work well? Somewhere to find drivers? Thank you. Rene From kremels at kreme.com Thu Oct 23 01:16:29 2003 From: kremels at kreme.com (Lukreme) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:23 2005 Subject: CLI shutdown command In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <31D78FA9-052E-11D8-89A9-000A95935598@kreme.com> On 21 Oct 2003, at 15:52, James Bucanek wrote: > LuKreme wrote on Tuesday, October 21, 2003: >> On Oct 21, 2003, at 9:36 AM, James Bucanek wrote: >>> >>> halt >>> >> >> This is, in fact, a Bad Idea?. You should NOT use halt. > > Here's a better idea: RTFM I did: Normally, the shutdown(8) utility is used when the system needs to be halted or restarted, giving users advance warning of their impending doom and cleanly terminating specific programs. -- This is our music from the bachelor's den, the sound of loneliness turned up to ten. A harsh soundtrack from a stagnant waterbed and it sounds just like this. This is the sound of someone losing the plot, making out that they're OK when they're not. You're gonna like it, but not a lot. And the chorus goes like this... From kremels at kreme.com Thu Oct 23 01:19:25 2003 From: kremels at kreme.com (Lukreme) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:23 2005 Subject: CLI shutdown command In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5229A256-052E-11D8-89A9-000A95935598@kreme.com> On 22 Oct 2003, at 17:22, Jared ''Danger'' Earle wrote: > On 21 Oct 2003, at 23:23, LuKreme wrote: >> should turn off the machine, iirc. OTOH, why woul danyone ever turn >> OFF a machine without being present? > > When you don't want it to reboot, of course ... Seems wrong though. Why would you ever want a machine to be off for extended periods of time? -- ...when you're no longer searching for beauty or love, just some kind of life with the edges taken off. When you can't even define what it is that you're frightened of; this song will be here. From macosx-admin at zzamboni.org Thu Oct 23 01:44:46 2003 From: macosx-admin at zzamboni.org (Diego Zamboni) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:23 2005 Subject: CLI shutdown command In-Reply-To: <5229A256-052E-11D8-89A9-000A95935598@kreme.com> References: <5229A256-052E-11D8-89A9-000A95935598@kreme.com> Message-ID: <1066897761.22461.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> > Seems wrong though. Why would you ever want a machine to be off for > extended periods of time? Example (real) scenario: there will be a planned power outage at home during the day. So before that, I log into my machine from work, shut it down. When I get home at night, I power it back on. I'm sure there are many other valid reasons (although in principle I agree with you). --Diego From kremels at kreme.com Thu Oct 23 02:20:54 2003 From: kremels at kreme.com (Lukreme) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:23 2005 Subject: No identd in Panther In-Reply-To: <63572DF3-0506-11D8-8DCD-000A959DD426@mac.com> References: <63572DF3-0506-11D8-8DCD-000A959DD426@mac.com> Message-ID: On 22 Oct 2003, at 21:10, Terry Brady wrote: > Does anybody have any thoughts as to why this would have been removed? > Or where I could get a drop-in replacement? Well, about the only thing that uses ident is irc, so I found a perl identd spoofer a long time ago and simply use that (It allowed me to use ident even when I was behind a nat and the ports didn't match up). I don't know why specifically it was removed, but I know some people consider identd to be a security risk. #!/usr/bin/perl use strict; use Socket; my $username = 'iamlame'; socket(SERVER, PF_INET, SOCK_STREAM, getprotobyname('tcp')); bind(SERVER, sockaddr_in(113, INADDR_ANY)); listen(SERVER,SOMAXCONN); for (my $paddr; $paddr = accept(CLIENT,SERVER); close CLIENT) { while () { print $_; /^\s*(\d+)\s*,\s*(\d+)\s*$/s; send CLIENT, "$1, $2 : USERID : UNIX : $username\r\n", 0; } } ## Change iamlame to whatever you want your ident to be ## make the file executable ## Put the file somewhere (I use /usr/local/bin) ## now, add this line to one of your Startup items, or find out ## how to create a startup item of your own: ## ## /usr/local/bin/ident.pl ## ## Make sure the path to perl on the first line is right, you ## can check this by typing ## ## which perl ## ## at the terminal -- we all have our moments when we lose it the key is though, to conceal the evidence before the police arrive From rbogue at phy.ilstu.edu Thu Oct 23 05:18:01 2003 From: rbogue at phy.ilstu.edu (Ross Bogue) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:23 2005 Subject: Medion Scanner Drivers In-Reply-To: <97180636-052A-11D8-93F7-0003937C32E4@xs4all.nl> References: <97180636-052A-11D8-93F7-0003937C32E4@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: At 9:29 AM +0200 10/23/03, Ren? van Amerongen wrote: > >We need some help. My son did get a medion scanner. But we couldnt >find drivers. Medion sells extremely cheap hardware through grocery stores and such mass outlets. Somehow I'm not surprised they only provide drivers for WinXP - software development costs money, after all. Even their web site doesn't seem to work with my Mac. My only suggestion is that you send email to Ed Hamrick and ask if he can add support for them in VueScan. Of course, buying VueScan will probably cost as much as the scanner did. http://www.hamrick.com/ Ross -- Dr. Ross Bogue Physics Department Illinois State University From Mailing.Appledev at xs4all.nl Thu Oct 23 07:08:39 2003 From: Mailing.Appledev at xs4all.nl (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_van_Amerongen?=) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:23 2005 Subject: Medion Scanner Drivers In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Ross I will check there now :-). O, nothing, Now I did send a email to them. So lets hope. BTW, the box says it is twain supported, does this help or....? Thanks Ross Bogue heeft op donderdag, 23 okt 2003 om 14:17 (Europe/Amsterdam) het volgende geschreven: > At 9:29 AM +0200 10/23/03, Ren? van Amerongen wrote: >> >> We need some help. My son did get a medion scanner. But we couldnt >> find drivers. > > > Medion sells extremely cheap hardware through grocery stores and such > mass outlets. Somehow I'm not surprised they only provide drivers for > WinXP - software development costs money, after all. Even their web > site doesn't seem to work with my Mac. > > My only suggestion is that you send email to Ed Hamrick and ask if he > can add support for them in VueScan. Of course, buying VueScan will > probably cost as much as the scanner did. > > > http://www.hamrick.com/ > > > > Ross > > > > -- > Dr. Ross Bogue > Physics Department > Illinois State University > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-admin mailing list > MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin > From andrina at corefa.com Thu Oct 23 08:15:59 2003 From: andrina at corefa.com (Andrina Kelly) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:24 2005 Subject: FCP4 & Users Message-ID: <726C09A5-0569-11D8-9E20-000393D39CBA@corefa.com> Is anyone using FCP4 with either a non-admin user with a local home directory, or with a fully networked home directory with LDAP authentication? What sort of experiences have you had with this if you are using a similar set-up? Have there's been any unresolved issues? Cheers, Andrina ........................................................... andrina kelly email: andrina@corefa.com c.o.r.e. feature animation http://www.coredp.com ........................................................... -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/enriched Size: 574 bytes Desc: not available Url : /mailman/archive/macosx-admin/attachments/20031023/6fd8eab1/attachment.bin From johannes at connected.ch Thu Oct 23 09:03:26 2003 From: johannes at connected.ch (Johannes Vetsch) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:24 2005 Subject: Medion Scanner Drivers In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5CC87504-0571-11D8-96B7-000393764C26@connected.ch> Am Donnerstag, 23.10.03 um 15:58 Uhr schrieb Ren? van Amerongen: > Hi Ross > > I will check there now :-). > > O, nothing, Now I did send a email to them. So lets hope. > > BTW, the box says it is twain supported, does this help or....? Going from the assumption it is a metoo scanner (I think there aren't many scanner producers left) and having twain support you can exclude for example canon and try it with Epson drivers. There was recently a thread about using Snapshots twain support for scanning on the the OSXtalk list and longer article on O'Rilly macdevcenter. hope that helps johannes > > Thanks > > Ross Bogue heeft op donderdag, 23 okt 2003 om 14:17 (Europe/Amsterdam) > het volgende geschreven: > >> At 9:29 AM +0200 10/23/03, Ren? van Amerongen wrote: >>> >>> We need some help. My son did get a medion scanner. But we couldnt >>> find drivers. >> >> >> Medion sells extremely cheap hardware through grocery stores and such >> mass outlets. Somehow I'm not surprised they only provide drivers >> for WinXP - software development costs money, after all. Even their >> web site doesn't seem to work with my Mac. >> >> My only suggestion is that you send email to Ed Hamrick and ask if he >> can add support for them in VueScan. Of course, buying VueScan will >> probably cost as much as the scanner did. >> >> >> http://www.hamrick.com/ >> >> >> >> Ross >> >> >> >> -- >> Dr. Ross Bogue >> Physics Department >> Illinois State University >> _______________________________________________ >> MacOSX-admin mailing list >> MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com >> http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin >> > > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-admin mailing list > MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin > From rpeskin at rlpcon.com Thu Oct 23 11:15:10 2003 From: rpeskin at rlpcon.com (Richard Peskin) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:24 2005 Subject: dynamic_pager use in /etc/rc Message-ID: Will the default swapfile set by dynamic_pager grow in size as needed, or will it remain a fixed size? In other words do I need to use dynamic_pager's -S, -L and -H options to assure that swap space will grow as needed? thanks, --dick peskin From leonvs at occam.com Thu Oct 23 11:41:51 2003 From: leonvs at occam.com (Leon Towns-von Stauber) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:24 2005 Subject: dynamic_pager use in /etc/rc In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <760B28AF-0586-11D8-9CED-003065A76B44@occam.com> > Will the default swapfile set by dynamic_pager grow in size as needed, > or will it remain a fixed size? In other words do I need to use > dynamic_pager's -S, -L and -H options to assure that swap space will > grow as needed? Before 10.3, additional swapfiles of the same fixed size will be created (and sometimes deleted) as needed. On Panther, the swapfile itself will change size dynamically. So no, there's no need for additional configuration to allow for paging space growth. _____________________________________________________________ Leon Towns-von Stauber http://www.occam.com/leonvs/ "We have not come to save you, but you will not die in vain!" From Neil.Laubenthal at osd.mil Thu Oct 23 11:47:44 2003 From: Neil.Laubenthal at osd.mil (Laubenthal, Neil, CTR, OSD-NII) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:24 2005 Subject: dynamic_pager use in /etc/rc (U) Message-ID: UNCLASSIFIED Swap files in x are always 80 megs . . . the system will automatically create more than one as needed. Unfortunately they don't always get deleted when no longer needed unless you reboot the system. -----Original Message----- From: Richard Peskin [mailto:rpeskin@rlpcon.com] Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 1:53 PM To: macosx-admin Subject: dynamic_pager use in /etc/rc Will the default swapfile set by dynamic_pager grow in size as needed, or will it remain a fixed size? In other words do I need to use dynamic_pager's -S, -L and -H options to assure that swap space will grow as needed? thanks, --dick peskin _______________________________________________ MacOSX-admin mailing list MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin From shoop at iWiring.Net Thu Oct 23 12:46:03 2003 From: shoop at iWiring.Net (Dan Shoop) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:24 2005 Subject: vm questions In-Reply-To: <1D7281A6-0516-11D8-917C-000393639B02@rlpcon.com> References: <1D7281A6-0516-11D8-917C-000393639B02@rlpcon.com> Message-ID: At 1:02 AM -0400 10/23/03, Richard Peskin wrote: >I noticed that the /var/vm directory has a sub-directory named >"app_profile". (I didn't track when this first appeared; was it in >10.1? What are the files in this directory and what process writes >these files? It 'profiles' vm by application for the pager's tuning. It gets destroyed and re-created when the pager is started. >Also, the default swap size for the "dynamic_pager" command used to >be 20000000 bytes; now it looks like it is 67000000 (or something >like that). It is 80000000 by default on OS X and OS X Server and has traditionally been so. Perhaps you changed it or are looking at a unreleased version of the OS? >Finally, what is the current thinking concerning use of a separate >swap partition? I have used separate swap partitions for several >years. It can't hurt but is it still useful? The most beneficial thing it does is allow you to move the swap files to a volume that has more space or fills up out of band to the rest of the file system. Performance wise you're not going to see any difference unless your swap volume is much faster that the rest of your filesystem, in which case you'd be better served to make your faster volume(s) part of your application or user filespaces. So the answer is, no this serves no real use. This isn't Linux ;) -dhan +------------------------------------------------------------------------+ Dan Shoop shoop@iwiring.net Consulting Internet Architect shoop@mac.com AIM: iWiring pgp key fingerprint: FAC0 9434 B5A5 24A8 D0AF 12B1 7840 3BE7 3736 DE0B iWiring designs and supports Internet systems and networks based on OS X, unix(tm), and Open Source technologies. Ask about 24x7 service and support. Dan Shoop will be speaking at the O'Reilly & Associates Mac OS X Conference See http://conferences.oreillynet.com/macosx2003/ for details From waltd at wdstudio.com Thu Oct 23 13:08:34 2003 From: waltd at wdstudio.com (Walter Lee Davis) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:24 2005 Subject: Safari dying Message-ID: I have had a problem twice this week, on two different computers. Safari works fine for a while, and then dies, won't open a page at all, sits there loading a page and won't ever finish it. Quitting the browser does not clear it up, only restarting works. In one case, repairing permissions made it work without a restart, but on the other, it did not help. This problem will be there for the current user only, switching to another user, everything works fine. I have tried deleting the safari prefs, and the quicktime plugin prefs, to no effect. Is there anything else I can try? Thanks in advance, Walter From rpeskin at rlpcon.com Thu Oct 23 13:58:45 2003 From: rpeskin at rlpcon.com (Richard Peskin) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:24 2005 Subject: vm questions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <6988B012-0599-11D8-B6BD-000393639B02@rlpcon.com> On Thursday, October 23, 2003, at 03:39 PM, Dan Shoop wrote: >> Also, the default swap size for the "dynamic_pager" command used to >> be 20000000 bytes; now it looks like it is 67000000 (or something >> like that). > > It is 80000000 by default on OS X and OS X Server and has > traditionally been so. Perhaps you changed it or are looking at a > unreleased version of the OS? For some reason the G5 was delivered with the dynamic_pager as follows: dynamic_pager -F ${swapdir}/swapfile that is the usual -S 80000000 parameter is not there. The result is a 64K swapfile. > >> Finally, what is the current thinking concerning use of a separate >> swap partition? I have used separate swap partitions for several >> years. It can't hurt but is it still useful? > > The most beneficial thing it does is allow you to move the swap files > to a volume that has more space or fills up out of band to the rest of > the file system. Performance wise you're not going to see any > difference unless your swap volume is much faster that the rest of > your filesystem, in which case you'd be better served to make your > faster volume(s) part of your application or user filespaces. So the > answer is, no this serves no real use. This isn't Linux ;) > I agree. The only possible exception might be very large scientific computations where paging might cause fragmentation on smaller partitions under 10.3 where the swapfile can change dynamically. (Of course lots of RAM will avoid such problems.) From leonvs at occam.com Thu Oct 23 14:24:47 2003 From: leonvs at occam.com (Leon Towns-von Stauber) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:24 2005 Subject: vm questions In-Reply-To: <6988B012-0599-11D8-B6BD-000393639B02@rlpcon.com> Message-ID: <9FDC59E4-059E-11D8-9CED-003065A76B44@occam.com> >>> Also, the default swap size for the "dynamic_pager" command used to >>> be 20000000 bytes; now it looks like it is 67000000 (or something >>> like that). >> >> It is 80000000 by default on OS X and OS X Server and has >> traditionally been so. Perhaps you changed it or are looking at a >> unreleased version of the OS? The hard-coded default in the dynamic_pager code was 20000000, but arguments in /etc/rc always reset that to 80000000. > For some reason the G5 was delivered with the dynamic_pager as follows: > dynamic_pager -F ${swapdir}/swapfile > that is the usual -S 80000000 parameter is not there. The result is a > 64K swapfile. dynamic_pager works differently now. By default, the swapfile itself grows dynamically as needed, instead of generating additional fixed-size swapfiles. I imagine the initial size is hard-coded at 64 MB, but it'll be hard to analyze the details until Panther's Darwin code is released. _____________________________________________________________ Leon Towns-von Stauber http://www.occam.com/leonvs/ "We have not come to save you, but you will not die in vain!" From magill at mcgillsociety.org Thu Oct 23 16:05:25 2003 From: magill at mcgillsociety.org (William H. Magill) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:24 2005 Subject: Safari dying In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <6DBEFA92-05AC-11D8-9E5F-000393768D2C@mcgillsociety.org> On Thursday, October 23, 2003, at 03:46 PM, Walter Lee Davis wrote: > I have had a problem twice this week, on two different computers. > Safari works fine for a while, and then dies, won't open a page at > all, sits there loading a page and won't ever finish it. Quitting the > browser does not clear it up, only restarting works. In one case, > repairing permissions made it work without a restart, but on the > other, it did not help. This problem will be there for the current > user only, switching to another user, everything works fine. I have > tried deleting the safari prefs, and the quicktime plugin prefs, to no > effect. Is there anything else I can try? I see the same kind of problem, but they have noting to do with Safari. Are the files you are trying to load, local to your machine, or are you trying to load them from over the Net? How long do you wait for the page to load? If there is a network problem anywhere between you and the host serving up the page, Safari will spin the ball. It will eventually time out and generate an error message; IF it truly cannot communicate with the site. That time out is 60 seconds. However, if the page is large or full of images, both of which are quite normal today, and either the server or the Net itself slow, you get one packet, wait 30 seconds, get another packet, wait another 30 seconds, etc. You never reach the 60 second time out because every time another packet arrives it resets the timer. There are two reason why trying again works. One, "edge cacheing" by network service providers, like Akamai. Your fetch triggers the initial load of the cache and it continues while you quit and restart. Second, many net problems are extremely transient. Especially those related to traffic. A single file transfer can clog almost any size pipe... but they are usually short clogs. One or two retries and it's gone. So your later attempt is separated in time long enough for the clog to clear... or not as the case may be. Similarly, the server itself can bog down from simple load, or problems with their internal network structure - firewall, front-end, switches, routers, etc. But again, these tend to be transient "peak load" problems which are not caught until they become chronic. Another problem I have seen becoming more common lately is from the heavy use of Java. The bigger the Java Applet or javascipt the longer it takes to load, and usually the entire applet or script must be downloaded before execution begins. All of the above comments about transfer times apply to the applet or script download... especially if there is animation and images involved. I also know that there are issues with sites that use Micrsoft's version of Java instead of the standard, but don't know enough to say what they are. One issue I know of has to do with "re-executions" of the applets or script. I don't know if this is expected behavior or not -- if you use the back button to a page with javascript, you have to force the page to reload to get it to run again. T.T.F.N. William H. Magill # Beige G3 - Rev A motherboard - 768 Meg # Flat-panel iMac (2.1) 800MHz - Super Drive - 768 Meg # PWS433a [Alpha 21164 Rev 7.2 (EV56)- 64 Meg]- Tru64 5.1a magill@mcgillsociety.org magill@acm.org magill@mac.com From lahieyte at netscape.net Thu Oct 23 21:52:01 2003 From: lahieyte at netscape.net (Jean-pascal lahieyte) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:24 2005 Subject: advice about user management Message-ID: <3F98AF31.9010708@netscape.net> Hi I have to manage three operating system : iMac MacOS9.2 eMac MacOSX PC Win2k The macintosh are managed by a MacOSX Server (netinfo, macintosh manager) the PC's by a linux server (Samba), I would like to manage the users with only one server. How can I do this ? using LDAP, Samba on the Mac OS X sever ? -- Mail gratuit, Chat, recherche, retrouvez tous vos outils sur http://www.netscape.fr/ From dix.lorenz at joice.net Fri Oct 24 00:05:02 2003 From: dix.lorenz at joice.net (Dix Lorenz) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:24 2005 Subject: G5 Startup Problems Message-ID: <3CF2F3CD-05F0-11D8-9DDD-000A95D79A64@joice.net> Hi, I've had my Dual G5 for 3-4 weeks now and so far it has been working fine. Until yesterday when I rebooted, it showed me the grey Apple-Screen and stuck there, not even showing that twirly little wheel. I tried a lot of things, called Apple Support (which resulted in pretty much the same trial and error that I did before) and here's what I found out: I can put the G5 in FW-Targetdisk-Mode (or whatever it is called) and back up all my data to a different Mac. On that Mac I did a "Verify Disk" and it found no problems. G5 Hardware Test from the DVD passes the Extended Test. Other than that I can't do anything else: Booting from the internal HD (10.3 7B85), from the DVD that shipped with the Machine (10.2.8 (G5)), from an external FW-Drive (10.3 7B85) or the 10.3 Installer CD just doesn't work. Starting in Verbose Mode or SingeUser Mode gives me about 6 lines (didn't copy verbatim): 10.2.8. something about standard timeslice vm_page_something something max_display COLORVideo console at IOKit.... 6.7 Aug 11.... RELEASE _cppinit done and hangs there. 10.3 leaves out the COLORVideo line, has IOKit 7.0 but hangs on the line where it gives the date (Sep 24) which ends with RELEASE, it never gets to "_cppinit done". I've tried deconnecting all unnecessary devices and cables (as it might hang trying to initialize IO), I reset the PRAM and did the nvram-reset in Open Firmware... no changes. Then I left it unattended for about 5 minutes and voila, it rebooted. I made another HD Check and also checked the Permissions. Reboot and it hung again. So I left it unplugged for the night and the next morning it just rebooted. I don't really dare to try to reboot now as I actually have some work to do. Sooner or later I will have to, though... Any ideas what is happening? Or what I can do? I am really hesitant to get it to an Apple dealer because it will probably just boot without any problems... Thanks, Dix From scott at maxify.com Fri Oct 24 00:21:01 2003 From: scott at maxify.com (Scott Stevenson) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:24 2005 Subject: G5 Startup Problems In-Reply-To: <3CF2F3CD-05F0-11D8-9DDD-000A95D79A64@joice.net> Message-ID: <86ACA4D6-05F2-11D8-8BCD-003065CA9E5A@maxify.com> On Friday, October 24, 2003, at 12:03 AM, Dix Lorenz wrote: > I've tried deconnecting all unnecessary devices and cables When you say 'unnecessary', what do you mean exactly? Do you only have the Apple-supplied keyboard/mouse and your monitor plugged in? Have you added any third party ram? - Scott From dix.lorenz at joice.net Fri Oct 24 01:31:01 2003 From: dix.lorenz at joice.net (Dix Lorenz) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:24 2005 Subject: G5 Startup Problems In-Reply-To: <86ACA4D6-05F2-11D8-8BCD-003065CA9E5A@maxify.com> References: <86ACA4D6-05F2-11D8-8BCD-003065CA9E5A@maxify.com> Message-ID: <48CA543D-05FC-11D8-9DDD-000A95D79A64@joice.net> On 24.10.2003, at 09:20, Scott Stevenson wrote: > > On Friday, October 24, 2003, at 12:03 AM, Dix Lorenz wrote: > >> I've tried deconnecting all unnecessary devices and cables > > When you say 'unnecessary', what do you mean exactly? Do you only have > the Apple-supplied keyboard/mouse and your monitor plugged in? I meant the bluetooth antenna, second monitor, PowerMate, external FW-HD, Ethernet and Audio Line Out (you never know)... In the end I had one Monitor (I tried with both an Apple Studio Display via ADC and/or an 21" via VGA), Apple Keyboard and Microsoft Intellimouse Explorer (ok, I didn't try replacing that with the original Apple Mouse, but it has been with me for a year with no problems). > Have you added any third party ram? No, I had Apple put in 1 GB total RAM when ordering. I never even opened the plastic cover, added no PCI-boards, nothing. It is very much like it arrived from Apple. Dix From bjf at bryanfullerton.com Fri Oct 24 05:49:29 2003 From: bjf at bryanfullerton.com (Bryan Fullerton) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:24 2005 Subject: CLI shutdown command In-Reply-To: <5229A256-052E-11D8-89A9-000A95935598@kreme.com> References: <5229A256-052E-11D8-89A9-000A95935598@kreme.com> Message-ID: <20031024124720.GY36931@bryanfullerton.com> On Thu, Oct 23, 2003 at 01:55:51AM -0600, Lukreme wrote: > > Seems wrong though. Why would you ever want a machine to be off for > extended periods of time? Random example - the machine is hacked and you want to preserve evidence for the police. Bryan From henrik.wittland at hwigmbh.de Fri Oct 24 06:11:57 2003 From: henrik.wittland at hwigmbh.de (Henrik Wittland) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:24 2005 Subject: G5 Startup Problems In-Reply-To: <3CF2F3CD-05F0-11D8-9DDD-000A95D79A64@joice.net> References: <3CF2F3CD-05F0-11D8-9DDD-000A95D79A64@joice.net> Message-ID: Hello I have had the same problem after starting my G5 in FW-Targetdisk-Mode. I have some softwareproducts which have to be installed under OS9 and because the G5 can?t boot in OS9 i have plugged it into my G4 as a firewire disk. After rebooting the G5 i have the same problems. The system hung at startup. I have updateed the G5 with the RecoveryDVD. After that update the system was ok again. There must be something wrong with FW-Targetdisk-Mode and the G5. I thought it was Mac OS 9 which rendered my system useless. mfg Henrik Am 24.10.2003 um 09:03 schrieb Dix Lorenz: > Hi, > > I've had my Dual G5 for 3-4 weeks now and so far it has been working > fine. Until yesterday when I rebooted, it showed me the grey > Apple-Screen and stuck there, not even showing that twirly little > wheel. I tried a lot of things, called Apple Support (which resulted > in pretty much the same trial and error that I did before) and here's > what I found out: > > I can put the G5 in FW-Targetdisk-Mode (or whatever it is called) and > back up all my data to a different Mac. On that Mac I did a "Verify > Disk" and it found no problems. G5 Hardware Test from the DVD passes > the Extended Test. Other than that I can't do anything else: Booting > from the internal HD (10.3 7B85), from the DVD that shipped with the > Machine (10.2.8 (G5)), from an external FW-Drive (10.3 7B85) or the > 10.3 Installer CD just doesn't work. Starting in Verbose Mode or > SingeUser Mode gives me about 6 lines (didn't copy verbatim): > > 10.2.8. > something about standard timeslice > vm_page_something > something max_display > COLORVideo console at > IOKit.... 6.7 > Aug 11.... RELEASE > _cppinit done > > and hangs there. 10.3 leaves out the COLORVideo line, has IOKit 7.0 > but hangs on the line where it gives the date (Sep 24) which ends with > RELEASE, it never gets to "_cppinit done". > > I've tried deconnecting all unnecessary devices and cables (as it > might hang trying to initialize IO), I reset the PRAM and did the > nvram-reset in Open Firmware... no changes. > > Then I left it unattended for about 5 minutes and voila, it rebooted. > I made another HD Check and also checked the Permissions. Reboot and > it hung again. So I left it unplugged for the night and the next > morning it just rebooted. I don't really dare to try to reboot now as > I actually have some work to do. Sooner or later I will have to, > though... > > Any ideas what is happening? Or what I can do? I am really hesitant to > get it to an Apple dealer because it will probably just boot without > any problems... > > Thanks, > Dix > > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-admin mailing list > MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin > From scott at scl.utah.edu Fri Oct 24 10:30:01 2003 From: scott at scl.utah.edu (Scott Doenges) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:24 2005 Subject: Fwd: FCP4 & Users In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Andrina, We have deployed a volume license of FCP4 in our student Mac labs using a non-admin local home directory, authenticated via our campus Kerberos system. It's only been deployed for a few days, but so far we have not seen any issues. I suppose time will tell. Let me know if you'd like any more details about our deployment. Are you seeing problems with your deployment? Or are you just preparing to deploy FCP4? Scott >>Subject: FCP4 & Users >>From: Andrina Kelly >>To: macosx-admin@omnigroup.com >>Sender: macosx-admin-admin@omnigroup.com >>X-BeenThere: macosx-admin@omnigroup.com >>X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.6 >>List-Unsubscribe: , >> >>List-Id: Mac OS X administration >>List-Post: >>List-Help: >>List-Subscribe: , >> >>List-Archive: >>X-Original-Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 10:59:05 -0400 >>Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 10:59:05 -0400 >> >>Is anyone using FCP4 with either a non-admin user with a local home >>directory, or with a fully networked home directory with LDAP >>authentication? >> >>What sort of experiences have you had with this if you are using a >>similar set-up? Have there's been any unresolved issues? >> >>Cheers, >>Andrina >>........................................................... >> >>andrina kelly email: andrina@corefa.com >>c.o.r.e. feature animation http://www.coredp.com >> >>........................................................... > > >-- > >Thanks: > >Richard Glaser >University of Utah - Student Computing Labs >richard@scl.utah.edu >801-585-8016 -- _________________________________________ Scott Doenges Assistant Macintosh Specialist Marriott Library Student Computing University of Utah (801) 585-9811 http://www.macos.utah.edu http://www.macosxlabs.org Ambition is a poor excuse for not having enough sense to be lazy. From jeff at stikman.com Fri Oct 24 10:47:57 2003 From: jeff at stikman.com (Jeff Grossman) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:24 2005 Subject: Hard Drive Name Message-ID: I installed a new hard drive in my laptop and used Carbon Copy Cloner to copy over the old hard drive. The new drive is in the laptop and everything is copied over with no problems. But, now I want to change the name I assigned to this hard drive, but OS X does not seem to allow me to change it. What am I doing wrong? Jeff -- Jeff Grossman (jeff@stikman.com) From jonas at zeus.ugent.be Fri Oct 24 11:04:03 2003 From: jonas at zeus.ugent.be (Jonas Maebe) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:24 2005 Subject: Hard Drive Name In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On vrijdag, okt 24, 2003, at 19:21 Europe/Brussels, Jeff Grossman wrote: > is copied over with no problems. But, now I want to change the name I > assigned to this hard drive, but OS X does not seem to allow me to > change > it. What am I doing wrong? Mac OS X does not allow you to change the name of the partition you booted from. Jonas From roberts at alap.com Fri Oct 24 11:20:33 2003 From: roberts at alap.com (Robert Schwalbe) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:24 2005 Subject: Hard Drive Name In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: >>is copied over with no problems. But, now I want to change the name I >>assigned to this hard drive, but OS X does not seem to allow me to change >>it. What am I doing wrong? > >Mac OS X does not allow you to change the name of the partition you >booted from. It does on my setup. From jeff at stikman.com Fri Oct 24 11:55:17 2003 From: jeff at stikman.com (Jeff Grossman) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:24 2005 Subject: Hard Drive Name (U) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: on 10/24/03 10:55 AM, Laubenthal, Neil, CTR, OSD-NII at Neil.Laubenthal@osd.mil wrote: > UNCLASSIFIED > > I think you need to login as root to do this. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jeff Grossman [mailto:jeff@stikman.com] > Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 1:21 PM > To: macosx-admin@omnigroup.com > Subject: Hard Drive Name > > > I installed a new hard drive in my laptop and used Carbon Copy Cloner to > copy over the old hard drive. The new drive is in the laptop and everything > is copied over with no problems. But, now I want to change the name I > assigned to this hard drive, but OS X does not seem to allow me to change > it. What am I doing wrong? > > Jeff Yup, logging in as root allowed me to change the hard drive name. Thanks for the help. Jeff -- Jeff Grossman (jeff@stikman.com) From clarkcox3 at mac.com Fri Oct 24 12:01:23 2003 From: clarkcox3 at mac.com (Clark Cox) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:24 2005 Subject: Hard Drive Name In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1F48B1D2-0650-11D8-8104-000393D15980@mac.com> On Oct 24, 2003, at 13:51, Jonas Maebe wrote: > > On vrijdag, okt 24, 2003, at 19:21 Europe/Brussels, Jeff Grossman > wrote: > >> is copied over with no problems. But, now I want to change the name I >> assigned to this hard drive, but OS X does not seem to allow me to >> change >> it. What am I doing wrong? > > Mac OS X does not allow you to change the name of the partition you > booted from. Sure it does, I just did it -- Clark S. Cox III clarkcox3@mac.com http://homepage.mac.com/clarkcox3/blog/B1196589870/index.html From david.mcrell at danetracks.com Fri Oct 24 12:09:25 2003 From: david.mcrell at danetracks.com (David McRell) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:24 2005 Subject: G5 Startup Problems In-Reply-To: <3CF2F3CD-05F0-11D8-9DDD-000A95D79A64@joice.net> Message-ID: Possibly helpful info ... We once had a wonky display card that would, in combination with a Sony monitor, immediately following the startup chime, stall the boot sequence for several minutes. It would eventually continue and start successfully. If another type of monitor was connected, or with nothing connected, it would boot normally. Likewise, when we swapped display cards, same monitor, no problems. -- David McRell, CTO, Danetracks, Inc. 7356 Santa Monica Blvd. West Hollywood, CA 90046 Tel 323-512-8160 Fax 323-512-8163 > 10.2.8. > something about standard timeslice > vm_page_something > something max_display > COLORVideo console at > IOKit.... 6.7 > Aug 11.... RELEASE > _cppinit done > > and hangs there. 10.3 leaves out the COLORVideo line, has IOKit 7.0 but > hangs on the line where it gives the date (Sep 24) which ends with > RELEASE, it never gets to "_cppinit done". [snip] > > Any ideas what is happening? Or what I can do? I am really hesitant to > get it to an Apple dealer because it will probably just boot without > any problems... From chad+macosx at objectwerks.com Fri Oct 24 12:18:10 2003 From: chad+macosx at objectwerks.com (Chad Leigh -- ObjectWerks Inc.) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:24 2005 Subject: adding SSL certs for IMAP and SMTP to the keychain or Mail.app Message-ID: Hi Panther Mail.app seems to be much more strict about self-signed SSL certificates on IMAP and SMTP servers. Every time I run Mail.app it comes up with these dialogs about not being able to verify the certificate. I can click "Continue" but that only caches it for that particular account for the duration of the Mail.app session. This happens with both my imap and smtp connections. I have several accounts, all hitting the same servers, so each account, which gets the same cert, has to be "Continued" once and I have to go through the whole thing each time I run Mail.app I would like to add the certs to the keychain or to Mail.app or somewhere so that it recognizes them as "allowed" certificates. Windows can do this. However, I cannot figure out how to do this on Panther. There is no option to "save" or "remember" or "import" the certificate in the dialog. And if I "Show Certificate" in the dialog and try to drag out the certificate icon or even any text from the certificate in the dialog into the Keychain access app, Mail.app seems to freeze up the whole UI of the machine. So I cannot get the cert into Keychain. Force quitting Mail.app does free up the machine's UI... Can someone help me figure out how to do this? Thanks Chad From dix.lorenz at joice.net Fri Oct 24 12:40:58 2003 From: dix.lorenz at joice.net (Dix Lorenz) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:24 2005 Subject: G5 Startup Problems In-Reply-To: References: <3CF2F3CD-05F0-11D8-9DDD-000A95D79A64@joice.net> Message-ID: On 24.10.2003, at 14:59, Henrik Wittland wrote: > Hello > > I have had the same problem after starting my G5 in FW-Targetdisk-Mode. > I have some softwareproducts which have to be installed under OS9 and > because the G5 can?t boot in OS9 > i have plugged it into my G4 as a firewire disk. > > After rebooting the G5 i have the same problems. The system hung at > startup. > > I have updateed the G5 with the RecoveryDVD. After that update the > system was ok again. Then it was some other kind of problem. I couldn't use the RecoveryDVD, because it wouldn't boot from it. It wouldn't boot from anything. > There must be something wrong with FW-Targetdisk-Mode and the G5. Well, when using it the fans really get going. If I had longer hair, I could use it as a hairdryer or be afraid of being sucked into it, depending on which side I am standing... Other than that it worked ok for me and didn't screw anything up more than it already was... And for your problem: If the installer is OS9 only (not classic), and it does something to the system folder (otherwise you could have just installed it on the G4 and copy it over)... That is where your problem comes from. The installer wrote in some kind of place where it is not supposed to write. Thinking about it, why doesn't it run under classic? Might that be because classic shields the system disk more than OS9 ever did? Dix From dix.lorenz at joice.net Fri Oct 24 12:50:32 2003 From: dix.lorenz at joice.net (Dix Lorenz) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:24 2005 Subject: G5 Startup Problems In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0DE25A0A-0659-11D8-9DDD-000A95D79A64@joice.net> On 24.10.2003, at 20:51, David McRell wrote: > Possibly helpful info ... > > We once had a wonky display card that would, in combination with a Sony > monitor, immediately following the startup chime, stall the boot > sequence This sounds a lot like my problem... > for several minutes. It would eventually continue and start > successfully. This doesn't :-) I never actually waited more than a few minutes, because on a G5 without a proper OS the heat management isn't there and the fans really get going. I've never ever heard such a loud desktop computer or had such a strong wind in my office. I sounds like the machine is in real pain, so I never waited for more than a few minutes. > If another type of monitor was connected, or with nothing connected, it > would boot normally. Likewise, when we swapped display cards, same > monitor, > no problems. Interesting. At some point I had the monitor as the target of my tries. I have 2 monitors connected, one Appe Studio Display over ADC and one old 21" tube monitor, using the DVI->VGA adapter. I tried unplugging the 21", that didn't help. I tried unplugging the ASD and reconnecting the 21", still no help. I didn't try disconnecting both or changing the video card. I'm still happily working on my machine, but the next reboot will come (10.3.1 the latest) and if it acting up again, I'll try this also. Thanks, Dix From subscriber at gloaming.com Fri Oct 24 13:44:43 2003 From: subscriber at gloaming.com (James Bucanek) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:24 2005 Subject: Hard Drive Name (U) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Jeff Grossman wrote on Friday, October 24, 2003: >Yup, logging in as root allowed me to change the hard drive name. You shouldn't have to log in as root. You probably have ownership or permissions that are wrong. (Probably by logging in as root...) ______________________________________________________ James Bucanek From jeff at stikman.com Fri Oct 24 14:01:28 2003 From: jeff at stikman.com (Jeff Grossman) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:24 2005 Subject: Hard Drive Name In-Reply-To: Message-ID: on 10/24/03 10:51 AM, Jonas Maebe at jonas@zeus.ugent.be wrote: > > On vrijdag, okt 24, 2003, at 19:21 Europe/Brussels, Jeff Grossman wrote: > >> is copied over with no problems. But, now I want to change the name I >> assigned to this hard drive, but OS X does not seem to allow me to >> change >> it. What am I doing wrong? > > Mac OS X does not allow you to change the name of the partition you > booted from. It allowed me to change it while logged in as root. Without logging in as root, is there any method available to change the name of the booted partition in OS X? Jeff -- Jeff Grossman (jeff@stikman.com) From epeyton at epicware.com Fri Oct 24 14:34:24 2003 From: epeyton at epicware.com (Eric Peyton) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:24 2005 Subject: Hard Drive Name In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Oct 24, 2003, at 3:44 PM, Jeff Grossman wrote: > on 10/24/03 10:51 AM, Jonas Maebe at jonas@zeus.ugent.be wrote: > >> >> On vrijdag, okt 24, 2003, at 19:21 Europe/Brussels, Jeff Grossman >> wrote: >> >>> is copied over with no problems. But, now I want to change the name >>> I >>> assigned to this hard drive, but OS X does not seem to allow me to >>> change >>> it. What am I doing wrong? >> >> Mac OS X does not allow you to change the name of the partition you >> booted from. > > It allowed me to change it while logged in as root. Without logging > in as > root, is there any method available to change the name of the booted > partition in OS X? > By default, any admin user should be able to change the name of their boot device without logging in as root on an HFS+ boot device. I believe you may need root privs on UFS. If this is not the case, chances are the permissions on "/" were changed at some time and are no default. Eric > Jeff > -- > Jeff Grossman (jeff@stikman.com) > > > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-admin mailing list > MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin From jeff at stikman.com Fri Oct 24 14:58:34 2003 From: jeff at stikman.com (Jeff Grossman) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:24 2005 Subject: Hard Drive Name (U) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: on 10/24/03 1:28 PM, James Bucanek at subscriber@gloaming.com wrote: > Jeff Grossman wrote on Friday, October 24, 2003: >> Yup, logging in as root allowed me to change the hard drive name. > > You shouldn't have to log in as root. You probably have ownership or > permissions that are wrong. (Probably by logging in as root...) > > ______________________________________________________ > James Bucanek > What are the permissions supposed to be on the main hard drive? My permissions are as follows: Owner: System (Read/Write) Group: Admin (Read Only) Other: Read Only Thanks, Jeff -- Jeff Grossman (jeff@stikman.com) From subscriber at gloaming.com Fri Oct 24 15:41:14 2003 From: subscriber at gloaming.com (James Bucanek) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:24 2005 Subject: Hard Drive Name (U) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Jeff Grossman wrote on Friday, October 24, 2003: >What are the permissions supposed to be on the main hard drive? My >permissions are as follows: > >Owner: System (Read/Write) >Group: Admin (Read Only) >Other: Read Only [whiterabbit:~] james% ll / total 16273 drwxrwxr-t 41 root admin 1394 24 Oct 13:14 . Owner (root) read, write, execute Group (admin) read, write, execute Other read Plus the "sticky" bit (which is important on the root directory) Also, I'm not sure if the renaming of volumes is controlled by the root directory (/) or the premissions set on /Volumes. (Although the premissions listed in my boot volume's Get Info window mirror that of /, not /Volumes. Permissions on my /Volumes directory are rwxrwxrwt. Hey, I just noticed something. In Panther, I now have a /Volumes/Late (my boot volume)! It's a hard link to /. ______________________________________________________ James Bucanek From bcw at sfu.ca Fri Oct 24 15:48:48 2003 From: bcw at sfu.ca (Brian Warsing) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:24 2005 Subject: Hard Drive Name (U) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20031024222947.GA13250@sfu.ca> On Fri, Oct 24, 2003 at 01:43:06PM -0700, Jeff Grossman wrote: > What are the permissions supposed to be on the main hard drive? My > permissions are as follows: > > Owner: System (Read/Write) > Group: Admin (Read Only) > Other: Read Only do an "ls -alF" at the Terminal. should look like this: drwxrwxr-t 45 root admin 1530 Oct 23 16:58 ./ Of course, you would also need to be a member of admin to make such a change. You may also wnat to run a "Repair Permissions" in Disk Utility. Sounds like something's not right. > > Thanks, > Jeff > -- > Jeff Grossman (jeff@stikman.com) > > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-admin mailing list > MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin -- Brian Warsing Academic Computing Services at Harbour Centre Simon Fraser University ph. 604-291-5030 ICQ# 167127757 From jeff at stikman.com Fri Oct 24 15:54:27 2003 From: jeff at stikman.com (Jeff Grossman) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:24 2005 Subject: Hard Drive Name In-Reply-To: Message-ID: on 10/24/03 2:18 PM, Eric Peyton at epeyton@epicware.com wrote: > > On Oct 24, 2003, at 3:44 PM, Jeff Grossman wrote: > >> on 10/24/03 10:51 AM, Jonas Maebe at jonas@zeus.ugent.be wrote: >> >>> >>> On vrijdag, okt 24, 2003, at 19:21 Europe/Brussels, Jeff Grossman >>> wrote: >>> >>>> is copied over with no problems. But, now I want to change the name >>>> I >>>> assigned to this hard drive, but OS X does not seem to allow me to >>>> change >>>> it. What am I doing wrong? >>> >>> Mac OS X does not allow you to change the name of the partition you >>> booted from. >> >> It allowed me to change it while logged in as root. Without logging >> in as >> root, is there any method available to change the name of the booted >> partition in OS X? >> > > By default, any admin user should be able to change the name of their > boot device without logging in as root on an HFS+ boot device. I > believe you may need root privs on UFS. > > If this is not the case, chances are the permissions on "/" were > changed at some time and are no default. > > Eric > My only account on this computer is an admin account. I was not able to change the hard drive name. So, if the only answer is permissions, then I must have changed them at one point. Jeff -- Jeff Grossman (jeff@stikman.com) From dan at tangledhelix.com Fri Oct 24 16:08:25 2003 From: dan at tangledhelix.com (Dan Lowe) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:24 2005 Subject: adding SSL certs for IMAP and SMTP to the keychain or Mail.app In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <19F4D77D-0674-11D8-80DF-00039383EA48@tangledhelix.com> On Friday, October 24, 2003, at 02:57 PM, Chad Leigh -- ObjectWerks Inc. wrote: > Panther Mail.app seems to be much more strict about self-signed SSL > certificates on IMAP and SMTP servers. I don't have Panther or use SSL for mail, but this is a similar problem to Safari and web sites using self signed certs, or certs signed by a local CA, which is something I've had to deal with. You could try importing the certs using CerttoolGUI which you can probably find on Versiontracker.com. That worked like a charm for me (my company uses many internal servers with certs signed by our internal CA). From jeff at stikman.com Fri Oct 24 16:17:51 2003 From: jeff at stikman.com (Jeff Grossman) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:24 2005 Subject: Hard Drive Name (U) In-Reply-To: <55E90988-066E-11D8-B400-000393D42984@epicware.com> Message-ID: on 10/24/03 3:06 PM, Eric Peyton at epeyton@epicware.com wrote: > > On Oct 24, 2003, at 3:43 PM, Jeff Grossman wrote: > >> on 10/24/03 1:28 PM, James Bucanek at subscriber@gloaming.com wrote: >> >>> Jeff Grossman wrote on Friday, October 24, 2003: >>>> Yup, logging in as root allowed me to change the hard drive name. >>> >>> You shouldn't have to log in as root. You probably have ownership or >>> permissions that are wrong. (Probably by logging in as root...) >>> >>> ______________________________________________________ >>> James Bucanek >>> >> What are the permissions supposed to be on the main hard drive? My >> permissions are as follows: >> >> Owner: System (Read/Write) >> Group: Admin (Read Only) >> Other: Read Only >> > > Your permissions are incorrect. > > They should include Admin (Read/Write) > > Eric > Where should this setting be changed, the owner setting? Jeff -- Jeff Grossman (jeff@stikman.com) From jeff at stikman.com Fri Oct 24 16:29:50 2003 From: jeff at stikman.com (Jeff Grossman) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:24 2005 Subject: Hard Drive Name (U) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: on 10/24/03 3:25 PM, James Bucanek at subscriber@gloaming.com wrote: > Jeff Grossman wrote on Friday, October 24, 2003: >> What are the permissions supposed to be on the main hard drive? My >> permissions are as follows: >> >> Owner: System (Read/Write) >> Group: Admin (Read Only) >> Other: Read Only > > [whiterabbit:~] james% ll / > total 16273 > drwxrwxr-t 41 root admin 1394 24 Oct 13:14 . > > Owner (root) read, write, execute > Group (admin) read, write, execute > Other read > Plus the "sticky" bit (which is important on the root directory) > > Also, I'm not sure if the renaming of volumes is controlled by the root > directory (/) or the premissions set on /Volumes. (Although the premissions > listed in my boot volume's Get Info window mirror that of /, not /Volumes. > Permissions on my /Volumes directory are rwxrwxrwt. > > Hey, I just noticed something. In Panther, I now have a /Volumes/Late (my > boot volume)! It's a hard link to /. How did you get a permission listing like that? I know you used terminal, but what command gave you the permission for the root directory? "ls -l /" will give me a listing of all the files in root. Thanks, Jeff -- Jeff Grossman (jeff@stikman.com) From bcw at sfu.ca Fri Oct 24 16:35:13 2003 From: bcw at sfu.ca (Brian Warsing) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:24 2005 Subject: Hard Drive Name Message-ID: <20031024231743.GC15899@sfu.ca> On Fri, Oct 24, 2003 at 03:32:25PM -0700, Jeff Grossman wrote: > My only account on this computer is an admin account. I was not able to > change the hard drive name. So, if the only answer is permissions, then I > must have changed them at one point. hmmm... If its an HFS+ vol then it could be your attributes as well. If you have DevTools cd into /Developer/Tools and do: ./GetFileInfo / You should see somehting like this... directory: "/" type: "" creator: " o?=" attributes: avbstclINMed created: 01/21/2003 03:34:54 modified: 10/23/2003 16:58:07 If you see a capital "S" in the attributes field, you may have found the problem. 'man GetFileInfo' -- should give you some help. -- Brian Warsing Academic Computing Services at Harbour Centre Simon Fraser University ph. 604-291-5030 ICQ# 167127757 From ocs at ocs.cz Fri Oct 24 16:53:35 2003 From: ocs at ocs.cz (Ondra Cada) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:24 2005 Subject: Hard Drive Name (U) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Saturday, Oct 25, 2003, at 00:36 Europe/Prague, Jeff Grossman wrote: > How did you get a permission listing like that? I know you used > terminal, > but what command gave you the permission for the root directory? "ls > -l /" > will give me a listing of all the files in root. Next time try ls -ld ;) --- Ondra ?ada OCSoftware: ocs@ocs.cz http://www.ocs.cz private ondra@ocs.cz http://www.ocs.cz/oc From subscriber at gloaming.com Fri Oct 24 17:09:02 2003 From: subscriber at gloaming.com (James Bucanek) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:24 2005 Subject: Hard Drive Name (U) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Jeff Grossman wrote on Friday, October 24, 2003: >on 10/24/03 3:25 PM, James Bucanek at subscriber@gloaming.com wrote: >> >> [whiterabbit:~] james% ll / >> total 16273 >> drwxrwxr-t 41 root admin 1394 24 Oct 13:14 . >> > >How did you get a permission listing like that? I know you used terminal, >but what command gave you the permission for the root directory? "ls -l /" >will give me a listing of all the files in root. I used the "-a" option to ls to list "all" entries in the directory ('ll' is an alias I use for "ls -la"). Normally 'ls' omits "hidden" files and folders that begin with a '.' from the listing. This includes the two symbolic entries '.' and '..'. The '.' directory always represents the "self" directory, which in this case was '/'. You could have also used the '-d' option: [whiterabbit:~] james% ls -dl / drwxrwxr-t 41 root admin 1394 24 Oct 16:34 / ______________________________________________________ James Bucanek From fabienlroy at mac.com Fri Oct 24 19:32:54 2003 From: fabienlroy at mac.com (Fabien Roy) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:24 2005 Subject: G5 Startup Problems In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3D8EAEC8-064B-11D8-9FE0-000393658196@mac.com> It seems that the boot informations were corrupted. The utility "bless" (see man bless) should be used to restore the boot info. You could do it when using the boot cd and issuing the bless command. It seems that the recovery DVD does this for you also. Fabien. On Friday, Oct 24, 2003, at 05:59 America/Los_Angeles, Henrik Wittland wrote: > Hello > > I have had the same problem after starting my G5 in FW-Targetdisk-Mode. > I have some softwareproducts which have to be installed under OS9 and > because the G5 can?t boot in OS9 > i have plugged it into my G4 as a firewire disk. > > After rebooting the G5 i have the same problems. The system hung at > startup. > > I have updateed the G5 with the RecoveryDVD. After that update the > system was ok again. > > There must be something wrong with FW-Targetdisk-Mode and the G5. > I thought it was Mac OS 9 which rendered my system useless. > > mfg > Henrik > > Am 24.10.2003 um 09:03 schrieb Dix Lorenz: > >> Hi, >> >> I've had my Dual G5 for 3-4 weeks now and so far it has been working >> fine. Until yesterday when I rebooted, it showed me the grey >> Apple-Screen and stuck there, not even showing that twirly little >> wheel. I tried a lot of things, called Apple Support (which resulted >> in pretty much the same trial and error that I did before) and here's >> what I found out: >> >> I can put the G5 in FW-Targetdisk-Mode (or whatever it is called) and >> back up all my data to a different Mac. On that Mac I did a "Verify >> Disk" and it found no problems. G5 Hardware Test from the DVD passes >> the Extended Test. Other than that I can't do anything else: Booting >> from the internal HD (10.3 7B85), from the DVD that shipped with the >> Machine (10.2.8 (G5)), from an external FW-Drive (10.3 7B85) or the >> 10.3 Installer CD just doesn't work. Starting in Verbose Mode or >> SingeUser Mode gives me about 6 lines (didn't copy verbatim): >> >> 10.2.8. >> something about standard timeslice >> vm_page_something >> something max_display >> COLORVideo console at >> IOKit.... 6.7 >> Aug 11.... RELEASE >> _cppinit done >> >> and hangs there. 10.3 leaves out the COLORVideo line, has IOKit 7.0 >> but hangs on the line where it gives the date (Sep 24) which ends >> with RELEASE, it never gets to "_cppinit done". >> >> I've tried deconnecting all unnecessary devices and cables (as it >> might hang trying to initialize IO), I reset the PRAM and did the >> nvram-reset in Open Firmware... no changes. >> >> Then I left it unattended for about 5 minutes and voila, it rebooted. >> I made another HD Check and also checked the Permissions. Reboot and >> it hung again. So I left it unplugged for the night and the next >> morning it just rebooted. I don't really dare to try to reboot now as >> I actually have some work to do. Sooner or later I will have to, >> though... >> >> Any ideas what is happening? Or what I can do? I am really hesitant >> to get it to an Apple dealer because it will probably just boot >> without any problems... >> >> Thanks, >> Dix >> >> _______________________________________________ >> MacOSX-admin mailing list >> MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com >> http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin >> > > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-admin mailing list > MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin > From scott at maxify.com Fri Oct 24 21:18:31 2003 From: scott at maxify.com (Scott Stevenson) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:24 2005 Subject: Spinning down disks In-Reply-To: <1066771973.5750.244.camel@anthem> References: <1066771973.5750.244.camel@anthem> Message-ID: On Oct 21, 2003, at 2:32 PM, Barry Warsaw wrote: > I've just fiddled with my energy saver options so that OSX 10.2.8 on my > G4 DA puts my disk to sleep when possible. I actually have three > SCSI160 drives and a firewire drive -- is there any way to tell what > the > OS is actually doing to those drives? BTW: Panther's development tools come with a utility called SpindownHD that would help you monitor this issue. - Scott -- Tree House Ideas http://treehouseideas.com/ From james at veldt.com Fri Oct 24 22:33:20 2003 From: james at veldt.com (james g.) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:24 2005 Subject: 10.3 Client breaks VPN Message-ID: <8536F4B3-06AB-11D8-A9D1-000A959B4DE2@veldt.com> I've run a VPN server on a FreeBSD machine with PoPToP for some time, and it's worked flawlessly with Jaguar's built in VPN client. However Panther's seems to break the functionality. Panther's error message is useless, however the relevant portion from the VPN server's log is below. Any ideas as to what changed in Panther's VPN client, and what could be done to fix it? -James Oct 24 22:29:49 tool ppp[25139]: LCP: deflink: RecvConfigRej(13) state = Ack-Sent Oct 24 22:29:49 tool ppp[25139]: LCP: AUTHPROTO[5] 0xc223 (CHAP 0x05) Oct 24 22:29:49 tool ppp[25139]: LCP: deflink: SendConfigReq(14) state = Ack-Sent Oct 24 22:29:49 tool ppp[25139]: LCP: ACFCOMP[2] Oct 24 22:29:49 tool ppp[25139]: LCP: PROTOCOMP[2] Oct 24 22:29:49 tool ppp[25139]: LCP: ACCMAP[6] 0x00000000 Oct 24 22:29:49 tool ppp[25139]: LCP: MRU[4] 1500 Oct 24 22:29:49 tool ppp[25139]: LCP: MAGICNUM[6] 0x1228d6ef Oct 24 22:29:49 tool ppp[25139]: LCP: AUTHPROTO[5] 0xc223 (CHAP 0x05) Oct 24 22:29:50 tool ppp[25139]: LCP: deflink: RecvConfigRej(14) state = Ack-Sent Oct 24 22:29:50 tool ppp[25139]: LCP: AUTHPROTO[5] 0xc223 (CHAP 0x05) Oct 24 22:29:50 tool ppp[25139]: Phase: deflink: Too many LCP REQs sent - abandoning negotiation Oct 24 22:29:50 tool ppp[25139]: LCP: deflink: SendTerminateReq(15) state = Ack-Sent Oct 24 22:29:50 tool ppp[25139]: LCP: deflink: State change Ack-Sent --> Closing Oct 24 22:29:50 tool ppp[25139]: LCP: deflink: RecvConfigReq(1) state = Closing Oct 24 22:29:50 tool ppp[25139]: LCP: ACCMAP[6] 0x00000000 Oct 24 22:29:50 tool ppp[25139]: LCP: MAGICNUM[6] 0x2e977252 Oct 24 22:29:50 tool ppp[25139]: LCP: PROTOCOMP[2] Oct 24 22:29:50 tool ppp[25139]: LCP: ACFCOMP[2] Oct 24 22:29:50 tool ppp[25139]: LCP: deflink: Error: Got ConfigReq while state = Closing Oct 24 22:29:50 tool ppp[25139]: LCP: deflink: RecvTerminateAck(15) state = Closing Oct 24 22:29:50 tool ppp[25139]: LCP: deflink: LayerFinish Oct 24 22:29:50 tool ppp[25139]: LCP: deflink: State change Closing --> Closed Oct 24 22:29:50 tool ppp[25139]: LCP: deflink: State change Closed --> Initial Oct 24 22:29:50 tool ppp[25139]: Phase: deflink: Disconnected! Oct 24 22:29:50 tool ppp[25139]: Phase: deflink: Connect time: 18 secs: 678 octets in, 1266 octets out Oct 24 22:29:50 tool ppp[25139]: Phase: deflink: 22 packets in, 23 packets out Oct 24 22:29:50 tool ppp[25139]: Phase: total 108 bytes/sec, peak 155 bytes/sec on Fri Oct 24 22:29:40 2003 Oct 24 22:29:50 tool ppp[25139]: Phase: deflink: lcp -> closed Oct 24 22:29:50 tool ppp[25139]: Phase: bundle: Dead Oct 24 22:29:50 tool ppp[25139]: Phase: PPP Terminated (normal). From mstearne at entermix.com Fri Oct 24 22:42:04 2003 From: mstearne at entermix.com (Michael Stearne) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:24 2005 Subject: Activating Root Message-ID: <19D75D2E-06AC-11D8-A817-000A95CD9C5A@entermix.com> Does anyone know how to activate the root password in Panther? I used to do it through NetInfo Manager, but the encrypted passwords for users show up now at stars so I can't paste my user's password into the root account. Thanks, Michael From ssen at opendarwin.org Fri Oct 24 23:09:26 2003 From: ssen at opendarwin.org (Shantonu Sen) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:24 2005 Subject: Activating Root In-Reply-To: <19D75D2E-06AC-11D8-A817-000A95CD9C5A@entermix.com> References: <19D75D2E-06AC-11D8-A817-000A95CD9C5A@entermix.com> Message-ID: <6B5727D3-06AF-11D8-A0BA-003065FC4CDE@opendarwin.org> Uhhh, what did you use? NetInfo Manager > Security > Enable Root User has a great UI for setting the password for the root user. Shantonu On Oct 24, 2003, at 10:28 PM, Michael Stearne wrote: > Does anyone know how to activate the root password in Panther? I > used to do it through NetInfo Manager, but the encrypted passwords for > users show up now at stars so I can't paste my user's password into > the root account. > > Thanks, > Michael > > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-admin mailing list > MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin From mstearne at entermix.com Fri Oct 24 23:33:48 2003 From: mstearne at entermix.com (Michael Stearne) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:24 2005 Subject: Activating Root In-Reply-To: <6B5727D3-06AF-11D8-A0BA-003065FC4CDE@opendarwin.org> References: <19D75D2E-06AC-11D8-A817-000A95CD9C5A@entermix.com> <6B5727D3-06AF-11D8-A0BA-003065FC4CDE@opendarwin.org> Message-ID: On Oct 25, 2003, at 1:52 AM, Shantonu Sen wrote: > Uhhh, what did you use? > > NetInfo Manager > Security > Enable Root User > > has a great UI for setting the password for the root user. > Doh, nevermind. I was getting the encrypted password from my user and pasting it into the password of the root user. Thanks Michael > Shantonu > > On Oct 24, 2003, at 10:28 PM, Michael Stearne wrote: > >> Does anyone know how to activate the root password in Panther? I >> used to do it through NetInfo Manager, but the encrypted passwords >> for users show up now at stars so I can't paste my user's password >> into the root account. >> >> Thanks, >> Michael >> >> _______________________________________________ >> MacOSX-admin mailing list >> MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com >> http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin > > > From njriley at uiuc.edu Fri Oct 24 23:45:45 2003 From: njriley at uiuc.edu (Nicholas Riley) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:24 2005 Subject: Activating Root In-Reply-To: <19D75D2E-06AC-11D8-A817-000A95CD9C5A@entermix.com> References: <19D75D2E-06AC-11D8-A817-000A95CD9C5A@entermix.com> Message-ID: <20031025063118.GA44212@uiuc.edu> On Sat, Oct 25, 2003 at 01:28:44AM -0400, Michael Stearne wrote: > Does anyone know how to activate the root password in Panther? I used > to do it through NetInfo Manager, but the encrypted passwords for users > show up now at stars so I can't paste my user's password into the root > account. Just retype your password then... why do you care that you can't paste it? -- =Nicholas Riley | From AitkenA at cbs.curtin.edu.au Sat Oct 25 00:05:55 2003 From: AitkenA at cbs.curtin.edu.au (Ashley Aitken) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:24 2005 Subject: Installed Updates still broke ... Message-ID: Howdy All, Installed Updates (in the Software Update System Preference Panel) stopped working for me way back in 10.2.x sometime. I think I recall hearing something like Apple was having problems with it, and had given up until the next release (or similar). Well, having just downloaded and installed my first Software Updates under Panther, I can relay that the interface has been neated up and looks great, but the Installed Updates tab/panel still doesn't work (at least for me). Is there something that I can do to fix it (because I probably broke it ;-)? Thanks in advance. Cheers, Ashley. From kremels at kreme.com Sat Oct 25 00:42:53 2003 From: kremels at kreme.com (Lukreme) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:24 2005 Subject: Installed Updates still broke ... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 25 Oct 2003, at 00:40, Ashley Aitken wrote: > Well, having just downloaded and installed my first Software Updates > under Panther, I can relay that the interface has been neated up and > looks great, but the Installed Updates tab/panel still doesn't work (at > least for me). Is there something that I can do to fix it (because I > probably broke it ;-)? Check the permissions on /Library/Receipts ? ( should be drwxrwxrwx ) -- MEGAHAL: within my penguin lies a torrid story of hate and love. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Shutting down wipes memory and clears processes. -matt From AitkenA at cbs.curtin.edu.au Sat Oct 25 01:17:14 2003 From: AitkenA at cbs.curtin.edu.au (Ashley Aitken) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:25 2005 Subject: Installed Updates still broke ... (FIXED) Message-ID: Hi, Thanks, I had checked that. It was drwxrwxrwx root admin Investigating further on another machine I found that the log is kept in "/Library/Logs/Software Update.log" Somehow that had lost write permissions for group (Admin). Changing that permission and creating a test log file seemed to fix the panel in Software Update. Now I just have to wait for the next real update to see if it works. I wonder how that permission got changed. Oh well ... Cheers, Ashley. >>> Lukreme 10/25/03 03:27pm >>> On 25 Oct 2003, at 00:40, Ashley Aitken wrote: > Well, having just downloaded and installed my first Software Updates > under Panther, I can relay that the interface has been neated up and > looks great, but the Installed Updates tab/panel still doesn't work (at > least for me). Is there something that I can do to fix it (because I > probably broke it ;-)? Check the permissions on /Library/Receipts ? ( should be drwxrwxrwx ) -- MEGAHAL: within my penguin lies a torrid story of hate and love. From AitkenA at cbs.curtin.edu.au Sat Oct 25 03:31:12 2003 From: AitkenA at cbs.curtin.edu.au (Ashley Aitken) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:25 2005 Subject: Backing up NetInfo in Panther? Message-ID: Howdy All, The menu items seem to have vanished from within NetInfo Manager for backing up and restoring? What's the best way now to "backup" information NetInfo information? Is this because it has been deprecated or now relies heavily on other components? Cheers, Ashley. From jonas at zeus.ugent.be Sat Oct 25 03:38:48 2003 From: jonas at zeus.ugent.be (Jonas Maebe) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:25 2005 Subject: Hard Drive Name In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On vrijdag, okt 24, 2003, at 23:18 Europe/Brussels, Eric Peyton wrote: > By default, any admin user should be able to change the name of their > boot device without logging in as root on an HFS+ boot device. I > believe you may need root privs on UFS. > > If this is not the case, chances are the permissions on "/" were > changed at some time and are no default. Bingo, that was it on my system! I always do a "sudo chmod g-w / /private/etc /etc/mail" after any update, to stop sendmail from complaining. Obviously, that removes my write permissions to /... Does postfix on Panther still require this? Thanks for clearing this up, Jonas From kremels at kreme.com Sat Oct 25 04:38:51 2003 From: kremels at kreme.com (Lukreme) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:25 2005 Subject: Hard Drive Name In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 24 Oct 2003, at 11:51, Jonas Maebe wrote: > On vrijdag, okt 24, 2003, at 19:21 Europe/Brussels, Jeff Grossman > wrote: > >> is copied over with no problems. But, now I want to change the name I >> assigned to this hard drive, but OS X does not seem to allow me to >> change >> it. What am I doing wrong? > > Mac OS X does not allow you to change the name of the partition you > booted from. Er... It doesn't? -- I want a refund, I want a light, I want a reason for all this night after night after night after night -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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From epeyton at epicware.com Sat Oct 25 05:49:33 2003 From: epeyton at epicware.com (Eric Peyton) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:25 2005 Subject: Hard Drive Name (U) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <55E90988-066E-11D8-B400-000393D42984@epicware.com> On Oct 24, 2003, at 3:43 PM, Jeff Grossman wrote: > on 10/24/03 1:28 PM, James Bucanek at subscriber@gloaming.com wrote: > >> Jeff Grossman wrote on Friday, October 24, 2003: >>> Yup, logging in as root allowed me to change the hard drive name. >> >> You shouldn't have to log in as root. You probably have ownership or >> permissions that are wrong. (Probably by logging in as root...) >> >> ______________________________________________________ >> James Bucanek >> > What are the permissions supposed to be on the main hard drive? My > permissions are as follows: > > Owner: System (Read/Write) > Group: Admin (Read Only) > Other: Read Only > Your permissions are incorrect. They should include Admin (Read/Write) Eric > Thanks, > Jeff > -- > Jeff Grossman (jeff@stikman.com) > > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-admin mailing list > MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin From ocs at ocs.cz Sat Oct 25 06:11:53 2003 From: ocs at ocs.cz (Ondra Cada) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:25 2005 Subject: Hard Drive Name (U) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Saturday, Oct 25, 2003, at 00:25 Europe/Prague, James Bucanek wrote: > Hey, I just noticed something. In Panther, I now have a /Volumes/Late > (my boot volume)! It's a hard link to /. Huh? Does that mean HFS supports such strange beasts as hardlinks to directiories? --- Ondra ?ada OCSoftware: ocs@ocs.cz http://www.ocs.cz private ondra@ocs.cz http://www.ocs.cz/oc From macosx at wooz.org Sat Oct 25 06:40:14 2003 From: macosx at wooz.org (Barry Warsaw) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:25 2005 Subject: Spinning down disks In-Reply-To: References: <1066771973.5750.244.camel@anthem> Message-ID: <1067088571.10257.75.camel@anthem> On Fri, 2003-10-24 at 23:53, Scott Stevenson wrote: > BTW: Panther's development tools come with a utility called SpindownHD > that would help you monitor this issue. Oh cool. I'm eager to upgrade to Panther, but I'm cautious because I'm not yet sure all the audio apps I run are compatible. -Barry From aitkena at cbs.curtin.edu.au Sat Oct 25 07:08:56 2003 From: aitkena at cbs.curtin.edu.au (Ashley Aitken) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:25 2005 Subject: Compressing Images in PDFs? (SOLVED) Message-ID: Hi Tim, You know, I was going to look at the ColorSync Utility, I almost double clicked to open it. But a voice inside me said, nah, wouldn't be in there, couldn't be in there. Probably the only place I didn't look. And, of course, now I look, it is also in the Print dialog under ColorSync. So, I guess we can make up filters in the ColorSync Utility and choose them from the ColorSync option in the Print dialog. Not the first place I would look. Thanks for pointing that out. Cheers, Ashley. >>> Tim Chong 10/25/03 8:08 PM >>> Have you tried ColorSync Utility.app's Filter function? Tim Chong ??? GSM: +65 967 22 153 mailto:tim@oeyvind.org On Oct 25, 2003, at 19:38, Ashley Aitken wrote: > Howdy All, > > I thought Panther was supposed to enable one to set images to be > compressed in PDFs generated by the system (e.g. from "Save As ..." in > the Print dialog box). > > I've looked most places but I can't see where one turns this on. > > Any hints? ;-) > > Thanks, > Ashley. > From aitkena at cbs.curtin.edu.au Sat Oct 25 07:26:29 2003 From: aitkena at cbs.curtin.edu.au (Ashley Aitken) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:25 2005 Subject: Hard Drive Name (U) Message-ID: No, I believe it is just a symbolic link. Probably makes the user interface to volumes more consistent. Cheers, Ashley. >>> Ondra Cada 10/25/03 6:53 AM >>> On Saturday, Oct 25, 2003, at 00:25 Europe/Prague, James Bucanek wrote: > Hey, I just noticed something. In Panther, I now have a /Volumes/Late > (my boot volume)! It's a hard link to /. Huh? Does that mean HFS supports such strange beasts as hardlinks to directiories? --- Ondra ?ada OCSoftware: ocs@ocs.cz http://www.ocs.cz private ondra@ocs.cz http://www.ocs.cz/oc _______________________________________________ MacOSX-admin mailing list MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin From kremels at kreme.com Sat Oct 25 07:38:31 2003 From: kremels at kreme.com (Lukreme) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:25 2005 Subject: Hard Drive Name In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 25 Oct 2003, at 04:26, Jonas Maebe wrote: > Bingo, that was it on my system! I always do a "sudo chmod g-w / > /private/etc /etc/mail" after any update, to stop sendmail from > complaining. Obviously, that removes my write permissions to /... Does > postfix on Panther still require this? Nope. And for the record, better than changing the perms is changing the BlameSendmail setting. -- "I program Windows - of course it isn't safe." - Meski -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/pkcs7-signature Size: 2363 bytes Desc: not available Url : /mailman/archive/macosx-admin/attachments/20031025/774102f7/smime.bin From suthercd at mac.com Sat Oct 25 08:03:08 2003 From: suthercd at mac.com (Craig Sutherland) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:25 2005 Subject: Activating Root In-Reply-To: <19D75D2E-06AC-11D8-A817-000A95CD9C5A@entermix.com> References: <19D75D2E-06AC-11D8-A817-000A95CD9C5A@entermix.com> Message-ID: Michael, It is the same for me as in 10.2 NetInfo Manager->Security->Enbale root Craig Sutherland "Who is John Galt" On Oct 25, 2003, at 12:28 AM, Michael Stearne wrote: > Does anyone know how to activate the root password in Panther? I > used to do it through NetInfo Manager, but the encrypted passwords for > users show up now at stars so I can't paste my user's password into > the root account. > > Thanks, > Michael > > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-admin mailing list > MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/enriched Size: 713 bytes Desc: not available Url : /mailman/archive/macosx-admin/attachments/20031025/603980fd/attachment.bin From subscriber at gloaming.com Sat Oct 25 08:05:59 2003 From: subscriber at gloaming.com (James Bucanek) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:25 2005 Subject: Backing up NetInfo in Panther? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Ashley Aitken wrote on Saturday, October 25, 2003: >What's the best way now to "backup" information NetInfo information? > >Is this because it has been deprecated or now relies heavily on other >components? I don't know if this helps or not, but the NetInfo database is now backed up by periodic/daily using nidump. It appears that nidump/niload is the way to backup and restore your db now. ______________________________________________________ James Bucanek From aitkena at cbs.curtin.edu.au Sat Oct 25 08:11:57 2003 From: aitkena at cbs.curtin.edu.au (Ashley Aitken) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:25 2005 Subject: Backing up NetInfo in Panther? Message-ID: Thanks James, I hadn't noticed that. That's good news, I always planned to get around to setting that up someday. Now that I think of it, NetInfo was probably backed up in the GUI using nidump anyway. Cheers, Ashley. >>> James Bucanek 10/25/03 10:26 PM >>> Ashley Aitken wrote on Saturday, October 25, 2003: >What's the best way now to "backup" information NetInfo information? > >Is this because it has been deprecated or now relies heavily on other >components? I don't know if this helps or not, but the NetInfo database is now backed up by periodic/daily using nidump. It appears that nidump/niload is the way to backup and restore your db now. ______________________________________________________ James Bucanek From subscriber at gloaming.com Sat Oct 25 08:32:55 2003 From: subscriber at gloaming.com (James Bucanek) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:25 2005 Subject: Hard Drive Name (U) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Ashley Aitken wrote on Saturday, October 25, 2003: >No, I believe it is just a symbolic link. You're right. It is a symbolic link. >Probably makes the user interface to volumes more consistent. And it's about time! ______________________________________________________ James Bucanek From jeff at stikman.com Sat Oct 25 09:10:26 2003 From: jeff at stikman.com (Jeff Grossman) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:25 2005 Subject: Panther Icon Placement Message-ID: I just installed Panther on my G4 Ti laptop, upgrading from 10.2.8. After the install finished, the icon spacing on the desktop is huge. Is there anyway I can change the spacing between the icons on my desktop? Thanks, Jeff -- Jeff Grossman (jeff@stikman.com) From mbartosh at mac.com Sat Oct 25 10:05:30 2003 From: mbartosh at mac.com (Michael Bartosh) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:25 2005 Subject: Backing up NetInfo in Panther? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 7:26 AM -0700 10/25/03, James Bucanek wrote: >I don't know if this helps or not, but the NetInfo database is now >backed up by periodic/daily using nidump. It appears that >nidump/niload is the way to backup and restore your db now. Also keep in mind that password hashes are no longer sotred in netinfo. /var/db/shadow/ -- Locusts and honey ... not since John The Baptist has there been a voice like that crying in the wilderness. ... Every man knows he is a sissy compared to Johnny Cash. -- Bono From Matthew.van.Eerde at hbinc.com Sat Oct 25 15:34:28 2003 From: Matthew.van.Eerde at hbinc.com (Matthew.van.Eerde@hbinc.com) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:25 2005 Subject: Hard Drive Name Message-ID: What are you trying to change the name to? The name cannot contain a slash (/) > -----Original Message----- > From: Jeff Grossman [mailto:jeff@stikman.com] > Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 3:32 PM > To: macosx-admin@omnigroup.com > Subject: Re: Hard Drive Name > > > on 10/24/03 2:18 PM, Eric Peyton at epeyton@epicware.com wrote: > > > > > On Oct 24, 2003, at 3:44 PM, Jeff Grossman wrote: > > > >> on 10/24/03 10:51 AM, Jonas Maebe at jonas@zeus.ugent.be wrote: > >> > >>> > >>> On vrijdag, okt 24, 2003, at 19:21 Europe/Brussels, Jeff Grossman > >>> wrote: > >>> > >>>> is copied over with no problems. But, now I want to > change the name > >>>> I > >>>> assigned to this hard drive, but OS X does not seem to > allow me to > >>>> change > >>>> it. What am I doing wrong? > >>> > >>> Mac OS X does not allow you to change the name of the > partition you > >>> booted from. > >> > >> It allowed me to change it while logged in as root. > Without logging > >> in as > >> root, is there any method available to change the name of > the booted > >> partition in OS X? > >> > > > > By default, any admin user should be able to change the > name of their > > boot device without logging in as root on an HFS+ boot device. I > > believe you may need root privs on UFS. > > > > If this is not the case, chances are the permissions on "/" were > > changed at some time and are no default. > > > > Eric > > > > My only account on this computer is an admin account. I was > not able to > change the hard drive name. So, if the only answer is > permissions, then I > must have changed them at one point. > > Jeff > -- > Jeff Grossman (jeff@stikman.com) > > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-admin mailing list > MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin > From mgraham at aquaflo.com Sat Oct 25 16:18:55 2003 From: mgraham at aquaflo.com (Marley Graham) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:25 2005 Subject: Panther, Terminal & Unix functions In-Reply-To: References: <19D75D2E-06AC-11D8-A817-000A95CD9C5A@entermix.com> Message-ID: I just did a clean install of OS X 10.3. I started Terminal an found that the "vi" command isn't recognized. I tried to "su" to root, and "su" isn't recognized either. Did I get an incomplete install? Marley Graham Aqua-Flo Supply ============== From ryanwilcox at mac.com Sat Oct 25 17:00:09 2003 From: ryanwilcox at mac.com (Ryan Wilcox) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:25 2005 Subject: Panther, Terminal & Unix functions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <68489CAA-0745-11D8-BE36-000502BD4C9B@mac.com> On Saturday, October 25, 2003, at 06:59 PM, Marley Graham wrote: > I just did a clean install of OS X 10.3. I started Terminal an found > that the "vi" command isn't recognized. I tried to "su" to root, and > "su" isn't recognized either. Did I get an incomplete install? try sudo -s instead of su. I don't know if this is new, but sudo has "always" been the preferred way of doing something as root on OS X. (/flameguard) and vim instead of vi. I know this has changed, and it's annoying. But, vim has more features, so... HTH, _Ryan Wilcox From jeff at stikman.com Sat Oct 25 18:38:26 2003 From: jeff at stikman.com (Jeff Grossman) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:25 2005 Subject: Hard Drive Name (U) In-Reply-To: <20031024222947.GA13250@sfu.ca> Message-ID: on 10/24/03 3:29 PM, Brian Warsing at bcw@sfu.ca wrote: > On Fri, Oct 24, 2003 at 01:43:06PM -0700, Jeff Grossman wrote: >> What are the permissions supposed to be on the main hard drive? My >> permissions are as follows: >> >> Owner: System (Read/Write) >> Group: Admin (Read Only) >> Other: Read Only > > do an "ls -alF" at the Terminal. > should look like this: > drwxrwxr-t 45 root admin 1530 Oct 23 16:58 ./ > > Of course, you would also need to be a member of admin to make such a > change. You may also wnat to run a "Repair Permissions" in Disk Utility. > Sounds like something's not right. Okay, that was my problem. I repaired the permissions and now I am able to change the hard drive name without logging in as root. Thanks for everybody's help. Jeff -- Jeff Grossman (jeff@stikman.com) From seiryu at comcast.net Sat Oct 25 19:37:55 2003 From: seiryu at comcast.net (Nick Zitzmann) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:25 2005 Subject: Panther, Terminal & Unix functions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Saturday, October 25, 2003, at 03:59 PM, Marley Graham wrote: > I just did a clean install of OS X 10.3. I started Terminal an found > that the "vi" command isn't recognized. I tried to "su" to root, and > "su" isn't recognized either. Did I get an incomplete install? Did you install the BSD subsystem when you installed 10.3? Nick Zitzmann AIM/iChat: dragonsdontsleep Check out my software page: http://seiryu.home.comcast.net/ "I have always wished that my computer would be as easy to use as my telephone. My wish has come true. I no longer know how to use my telephone." - Bjarne Stroustrup From mgraham at aquaflo.com Sat Oct 25 19:54:25 2003 From: mgraham at aquaflo.com (Marley Graham) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:25 2005 Subject: Panther, Terminal & Unix functions In-Reply-To: <80C83D94-074F-11D8-8247-000393A47BF4@mac.com> References: <19D75D2E-06AC-11D8-A817-000A95CD9C5A@entermix.com> <3C5F29F4-0748-11D8-B299-000393A47BF4@mac.com> <11ACCDDA-0749-11D8-8CB6-0050E4704A37@aquaflo.com> <80C83D94-074F-11D8-8247-000393A47BF4@mac.com> Message-ID: <4E23A226-075D-11D8-8F8B-0050E4704A37@aquaflo.com> Thank you Bill, Peter and Nick I reinstalled BSD Subsystem, and all is well. Marley Graham Aqua-Flo Supply ============== On Oct 25, 2003, at 5:58 PM, Bill Lloyd wrote: > Did you install the BSD subsystem? From mgraham at aquaflo.com Sat Oct 25 20:34:20 2003 From: mgraham at aquaflo.com (Marley Graham) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:25 2005 Subject: Panther, Terminal & Unix functions In-Reply-To: <68489CAA-0745-11D8-BE36-000502BD4C9B@mac.com> References: <68489CAA-0745-11D8-BE36-000502BD4C9B@mac.com> Message-ID: <0E10C3E8-0763-11D8-8F8B-0050E4704A37@aquaflo.com> By the way, now when I type "vi " the window that opens is "vim" Marley Graham Aqua-Flo Supply ============== On Oct 25, 2003, at 4:46 PM, Ryan Wilcox wrote: > and vim instead of vi. I know this has changed, and it's annoying. > But, vim has more features, so... From suthercd at mac.com Sat Oct 25 20:40:18 2003 From: suthercd at mac.com (Craig Sutherland) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:25 2005 Subject: Panther, Terminal & Unix functions In-Reply-To: <68489CAA-0745-11D8-BE36-000502BD4C9B@mac.com> References: <68489CAA-0745-11D8-BE36-000502BD4C9B@mac.com> Message-ID: <99C1DA12-0763-11D8-B192-000A958F77A0@mac.com> You can either edit or create a ~/.bashrc file and put custom bash parameters, aliases, paths etc in that. For bash the syntax for an alias to have 'vi' launch 'vim would be: alias vi='usr/bin/vim' I am still on build B74, but have a link in /usr/bin that links vi to vim. I avoid putting anything in /usr/bin, so am assuming this is part of the standard install. You could try entering /usr/bin/vi to see if that launches vim. Also entering echo -e $PATH will show you if /usr/bin is part of the default path. HTH Craig Sutherland "Who is John Galt" On Oct 25, 2003, at 6:46 PM, Ryan Wilcox wrote: > On Saturday, October 25, 2003, at 06:59 PM, Marley Graham wrote: >> I just did a clean install of OS X 10.3. I started Terminal an found >> that the "vi" command isn't recognized. I tried to "su" to root, and >> "su" isn't recognized either. Did I get an incomplete install? > try sudo -s instead of su. I don't know if this is new, but sudo has > "always" been the preferred way of doing something as root on OS X. > (/flameguard) > and vim instead of vi. I know this has changed, and it's annoying. > But, vim has more features, so... > > HTH, > _Ryan Wilcox >snip< -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The best way to 'preserve' a hacked > machine is to unplug the network connection, but leave all other > settings alone. Shutting down wipes memory and clears processes. Anyone with two brain cells to rub together that writes a zombie kit is going to have it nuke the system it runs on if it can't contact it's masters for a specified amount of time. It may take a conviction or two before that becomes common, but if a zombie can't get orders on who to DOS or relay porn spam for, it changes from being an asset to become evidence against someone. The best thing to do is to shut the machine off (by yanking the power cord, don't give any zombie shutdown processes a chance to do their work) and wait for a forensic geek to come around and collect the evidence. jpb - -- Joe Block It is error alone which needs the support of government. Truth can stand by itself. -Thomas Jefferson -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (Darwin) iD8DBQE/msF/yEXo8W2M9hsRAqcjAKC5oQ3Dx+S7TQfRBp9JUpW4kTg+8QCeJR// qVYO3BZd7BaqekeOEMH4RMA= =YQ9l -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From list-omnigroup at fsck.net Sun Oct 26 02:36:35 2003 From: list-omnigroup at fsck.net (Eugene Lee) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:25 2005 Subject: Panther, Terminal & Unix functions In-Reply-To: <0E10C3E8-0763-11D8-8F8B-0050E4704A37@aquaflo.com> References: <68489CAA-0745-11D8-BE36-000502BD4C9B@mac.com> <0E10C3E8-0763-11D8-8F8B-0050E4704A37@aquaflo.com> Message-ID: <20031026103236.GA301@Dark-Age.local> On Sat, Oct 25, 2003 at 08:18:22PM -0700, Marley Graham wrote: : On Oct 25, 2003, at 4:46 PM, Ryan Wilcox wrote: : > : >and vim instead of vi. I know this has changed, and it's annoying. : >But, vim has more features, so... : : By the way, now when I type "vi " the window that opens is "vim" $ ls -l /usr/bin/vi* lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 3 24 Oct 19:20 /usr/bin/vi -> vim lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 3 24 Oct 19:20 /usr/bin/view -> vim -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 967284 24 Sep 01:45 /usr/bin/vim lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 3 24 Oct 19:20 /usr/bin/vimdiff -> vim -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 1068 12 Sep 20:48 /usr/bin/vimtutor -r-xr-xr-x 1 root wheel 14140 24 Sep 01:48 /usr/bin/vis -- Eugene Lee http://www.coxar.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/ From kremels at kreme.com Sun Oct 26 05:47:03 2003 From: kremels at kreme.com (Lukreme) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:25 2005 Subject: Panther, Terminal & Unix functions In-Reply-To: <99C1DA12-0763-11D8-B192-000A958F77A0@mac.com> References: <68489CAA-0745-11D8-BE36-000502BD4C9B@mac.com> <99C1DA12-0763-11D8-B192-000A958F77A0@mac.com> Message-ID: <947D796C-07BA-11D8-848A-000A95935598@kreme.com> On 25 Oct 2003, at 21:22, Craig Sutherland wrote: > You can either edit or create a ~/.bashrc file and put custom bash > parameters, aliases, paths etc in that. For bash the syntax for an > alias to have 'vi' launch 'vim would be: > alias vi='usr/bin/vim' Actually, I think that should be: alias vi='/usr/bin/vim ' (note the leading slash and the trailing space) -- And the three men I admire most, the father son and the holly ghost, they caught the last train for the coast... -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/pkcs7-signature Size: 2363 bytes Desc: not available Url : /mailman/archive/macosx-admin/attachments/20031026/25b01ebc/smime.bin From penrose at sfc.keio.ac.jp Sun Oct 26 09:06:12 2003 From: penrose at sfc.keio.ac.jp (Christopher Penrose) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:25 2005 Subject: Anyone successfully install Bundle::LWP Perl Module? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <324E9015-07D5-11D8-8652-000A95677556@sfc.keio.ac.jp> Hi folks, My amphetadesk broke after installing Panther. Thanks to amphetadesk's clear diagnostics I quickly learned that Panther's perl no longer comes bundled with many perl modules that were present in earlier MacOS X releases. I tried to install the Perl Bundle::LWP module, it builds correctly but it fails a few crucial tests. Has anyone had better luck? Thanks, Christopher From magill at mcgillsociety.org Sun Oct 26 10:05:52 2003 From: magill at mcgillsociety.org (William H. Magill) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:25 2005 Subject: Hard Drive Name In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Friday, October 24, 2003, at 05:18 PM, Eric Peyton wrote: > On Oct 24, 2003, at 3:44 PM, Jeff Grossman wrote: >> on 10/24/03 10:51 AM, Jonas Maebe at jonas@zeus.ugent.be wrote: >>> On vrijdag, okt 24, 2003, at 19:21 Europe/Brussels, Jeff Grossman >>> wrote: >>> >>>> is copied over with no problems. But, now I want to change the >>>> name I >>>> assigned to this hard drive, but OS X does not seem to allow me to >>>> change >>>> it. What am I doing wrong? >>> >>> Mac OS X does not allow you to change the name of the partition you >>> booted from. >> >> It allowed me to change it while logged in as root. Without logging >> in as >> root, is there any method available to change the name of the booted >> partition in OS X? > > By default, any admin user should be able to change the name of their > boot device without logging in as root on an HFS+ boot device. I > believe you may need root privs on UFS. > > If this is not the case, chances are the permissions on "/" were > changed at some time and are no default. I Jaguar and earlier, you should be able to change the Drive name from either the desktop or the GetInfo panel. I assume the same is true in Panther, but I haven't played with it enough to verify it. T.T.F.N. William H. Magill # Beige G3 - Rev A motherboard - 768 Meg # Flat-panel iMac (2.1) 800MHz - Super Drive - 768 Meg # PWS433a [Alpha 21164 Rev 7.2 (EV56)- 64 Meg]- Tru64 5.1a magill@mcgillsociety.org magill@acm.org magill@mac.com From james at veldt.com Sun Oct 26 10:30:10 2003 From: james at veldt.com (james g.) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:25 2005 Subject: 10.3 Client breaks VPN In-Reply-To: <30C6F6F9-07D7-11D8-A400-000393768D2C@mcgillsociety.org> References: <30C6F6F9-07D7-11D8-A400-000393768D2C@mcgillsociety.org> Message-ID: After a long day of fighting with it yesterday, I finally nailed it down to how Panther was attempting to authenticate. It was using a different method of Chap authentication previously. Adding: enable MSCHAPv2 disable deflate pred1 deny deflate pred1 to pptp's configuration solved it. -James On Oct 26, 2003, at 9:09 AM, William H. Magill wrote: > On Saturday, October 25, 2003, at 01:24 AM, james g. wrote: >> I've run a VPN server on a FreeBSD machine with PoPToP for some time, >> and it's worked flawlessly with Jaguar's built in VPN client. However >> Panther's seems to break the functionality. Panther's error message >> is useless, however the relevant portion from the VPN server's log is >> below. >> >> Any ideas as to what changed in Panther's VPN client, and what could >> be done to fix it? > > Specifically, I don't know, but there are A LOT of changes in the > security area in Panther. > > Look and see if the actual release notes are up on the Developers site > yet. > > T.T.F.N. > William H. Magill > # Beige G3 - Rev A motherboard - 768 Meg > # Flat-panel iMac (2.1) 800MHz - Super Drive - 768 Meg > # PWS433a [Alpha 21164 Rev 7.2 (EV56)- 64 Meg]- Tru64 5.1a > magill@mcgillsociety.org > magill@acm.org > magill@mac.com From kremels at kreme.com Sun Oct 26 11:08:47 2003 From: kremels at kreme.com (Lukreme) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:25 2005 Subject: Anyone successfully install Bundle::LWP Perl Module? In-Reply-To: <324E9015-07D5-11D8-8652-000A95677556@sfc.keio.ac.jp> References: <324E9015-07D5-11D8-8652-000A95677556@sfc.keio.ac.jp> Message-ID: <387D5266-07DF-11D8-A159-000A95935598@kreme.com> On 26 Oct 2003, at 09:55, Christopher Penrose wrote: > My amphetadesk broke after installing Panther. Thanks to > amphetadesk's clear diagnostics I quickly learned that Panther's perl > no longer comes bundled with many perl modules that were present in > earlier MacOS X releases. > > I tried to install the Perl Bundle::LWP module, it builds correctly > but it fails a few crucial tests. Has anyone had better luck? Yep. % sudo perl -MCPAN -e shell cpan shell -- CPAN exploration and modules installation (v1.76) ReadLine support available (try 'install Bundle::CPAN') cpan> install LWP [ ... lots of stuff ... ] [ ... tens of minutes pass ... ] [ ... many modules are installed ... ] Appending installation info to ///System/Library/Perl/5.8.1/darwin-thread-multi-2level/perllocal.pod /usr/bin/make install -- OK cpan> -- Lobotomy means never having to say you're sorry -- or anything else. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/pkcs7-signature Size: 2363 bytes Desc: not available Url : /mailman/archive/macosx-admin/attachments/20031026/60cca01e/smime.bin From magill at mcgillsociety.org Sun Oct 26 11:25:31 2003 From: magill at mcgillsociety.org (William H. Magill) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:25 2005 Subject: 10.3 Client breaks VPN In-Reply-To: <8536F4B3-06AB-11D8-A9D1-000A959B4DE2@veldt.com> Message-ID: <30C6F6F9-07D7-11D8-A400-000393768D2C@mcgillsociety.org> On Saturday, October 25, 2003, at 01:24 AM, james g. wrote: > I've run a VPN server on a FreeBSD machine with PoPToP for some time, > and it's worked flawlessly with Jaguar's built in VPN client. However > Panther's seems to break the functionality. Panther's error message is > useless, however the relevant portion from the VPN server's log is > below. > > Any ideas as to what changed in Panther's VPN client, and what could > be done to fix it? Specifically, I don't know, but there are A LOT of changes in the security area in Panther. Look and see if the actual release notes are up on the Developers site yet. T.T.F.N. William H. Magill # Beige G3 - Rev A motherboard - 768 Meg # Flat-panel iMac (2.1) 800MHz - Super Drive - 768 Meg # PWS433a [Alpha 21164 Rev 7.2 (EV56)- 64 Meg]- Tru64 5.1a magill@mcgillsociety.org magill@acm.org magill@mac.com From mgraham at aquaflo.com Sun Oct 26 12:39:15 2003 From: mgraham at aquaflo.com (Marley Graham) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:25 2005 Subject: ssh & Panther In-Reply-To: <0E10C3E8-0763-11D8-8F8B-0050E4704A37@aquaflo.com> References: <68489CAA-0745-11D8-BE36-000502BD4C9B@mac.com> <0E10C3E8-0763-11D8-8F8B-0050E4704A37@aquaflo.com> Message-ID: <43AC6B5C-07F2-11D8-A201-0050E4704A37@aquaflo.com> I had set up ssh under Jaguar to do a passwordless connection to our AIX server. After an "unfortunate incident" which left my HD thrashed, I started rebuilding my world with a new hard drive and Panther. I first tried just connecting with ssh as before, but it asked for my password. I have some scripts that I run on my Mac that go out to the AIX machine and perform some scripted Print Queue functions. They performed well, and made my life a lot easier; but I lose the advantage if I have to stop and enter a password. I tried running ssh-keygen -t rsa, as I did when I set up the procedure under Jaguar. Then I copied the resulting id_rsa.pub key to the server authorized_keys2 file as before. It still asks for my password. I looked at the authorized_keys2 file, and the new entry looks very similar to the previous one. Any ideas? Are there changes to the implementation of ssh in Panther? Marley Graham Aqua-Flo Supply ============== From ssen at opendarwin.org Sun Oct 26 14:33:34 2003 From: ssen at opendarwin.org (Shantonu Sen) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:25 2005 Subject: ssh & Panther In-Reply-To: <43AC6B5C-07F2-11D8-A201-0050E4704A37@aquaflo.com> References: <68489CAA-0745-11D8-BE36-000502BD4C9B@mac.com> <0E10C3E8-0763-11D8-8F8B-0050E4704A37@aquaflo.com> <43AC6B5C-07F2-11D8-A201-0050E4704A37@aquaflo.com> Message-ID: Try just naming it ~/.ssh/authorized_keys I don't think OpenSSH has used authorized_keys2 for some time, although they might have reently removed backwards compatibility for it. Shantonu On Oct 26, 2003, at 12:23 PM, Marley Graham wrote: > I had set up ssh under Jaguar to do a passwordless connection to our > AIX server. After an "unfortunate incident" which left my HD thrashed, > I started rebuilding my world with a new hard drive and Panther. I > first tried just connecting with ssh as before, but it asked for my > password. > > I have some scripts that I run on my Mac that go out to the AIX > machine and perform some scripted Print Queue functions. They > performed well, and made my life a lot easier; but I lose the > advantage if I have to stop and enter a password. > > I tried running ssh-keygen -t rsa, as I did when I set up the > procedure under Jaguar. Then I copied the resulting id_rsa.pub key to > the server authorized_keys2 file as before. It still asks for my > password. > > I looked at the authorized_keys2 file, and the new entry looks very > similar to the previous one. Any ideas? Are there changes to the > implementation of ssh in Panther? > > > Marley Graham > Aqua-Flo Supply > ============== > > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-admin mailing list > MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin From mgraham at aquaflo.com Sun Oct 26 14:37:03 2003 From: mgraham at aquaflo.com (Marley Graham) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:25 2005 Subject: Panther & FAX In-Reply-To: <20031026220727.4592C30C84@Marley-Grahams-Computer.local> References: <20031026220727.4592C30C84@Marley-Grahams-Computer.local> Message-ID: Marley Graham ============ On Oct 26, 2003, at 2:07 PM, System Administrator wrote: > Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1556470721==" > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Subject: FAX from 8059675509.pdf > To: mgraham@aquaflo.com > From: FaxNotify > > You will not see this in a MIME-aware mail reader. > --===============1556470721== > Content-Type: application/pdf > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 > Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="FAX from 8059675509.pdf" > > JVBERi0xLjMKJcTl8uXrp/ > Og0MTGCjIgMCBvYmoKPDwgL0xlbmd0aCAxIDAgUiAvRmlsdGVyIC9G > bGF0ZURlY29kZSA+PgpzdHJlYW0KeNorVAhUKFTQD0gtSk4tKClNzFEoygQKmBlY6llYGCk > YAKG5 > qYmeqbEhmJ2cq6DvmWuo4JIP1BcIAAhMD5UKZW5kc3RyZWFtCmVuZG9iagoxIDAgb2JqCjY > yCmVu From mgraham at aquaflo.com Sun Oct 26 14:44:06 2003 From: mgraham at aquaflo.com (Marley Graham) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:25 2005 Subject: Panther & FAX (Modified by Marley Graham) Message-ID: <8196CFBE-0803-11D8-BF2F-0050E4704A37@aquaflo.com> OOPS; I sent the stuff below without an explanation. I have set up Panther for FAXing. The FAX to <> works fine, and I can receive FAXes ok, but the option to e-mail it results in what you see below. Is this a function of how the FAX machine is set up? Marley Graham Aqua-Flo Supply ============ On Oct 26, 2003, at 2:07 PM, System Administrator wrote: > Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1556470721==" > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Subject: FAX from 8059675509.pdf > To: mgraham@aquaflo.com > From: FaxNotify > > You will not see this in a MIME-aware mail reader. > --===============1556470721== > Content-Type: application/pdf > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 > Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="FAX from 8059675509.pdf" > > JVBERi0xLjMKJcTl8uXrp/ > Og0MTGCjIgMCBvYmoKPDwgL0xlbmd0aCAxIDAgUiAvRmlsdGVyIC9G > bGF0ZURlY29kZSA+PgpzdHJlYW0KeNorVAhUKFTQD0gtSk4tKClNzFEoygQKmBlY6llYGCk > YAKG5 > qYmeqbEhmJ2cq6DvmWuo4JIP1BcIAAhMD5UKZW5kc3RyZWFtCmVuZG9iagoxIDAgb2JqCjY > yCmVu . . etc . . From macosxadmin at richramos.com Sun Oct 26 18:12:17 2003 From: macosxadmin at richramos.com (Rich Ramos) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:25 2005 Subject: X11 for Panther Message-ID: <2147483647.1067191004@[192.168.2.2]> Alright I give up, where is the new version of X11 for Panther? I've checked all 4 disks now and can't find it? And of course the old version doesn't work, well sorta doesn't work since the quartz-wm program crashes and thus I don't get a window manager when trying to run the older version of X11. -Rich From macosxadmin at richramos.com Sun Oct 26 18:30:00 2003 From: macosxadmin at richramos.com (Rich Ramos) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:25 2005 Subject: X11 for Panther In-Reply-To: <2147483647.1067191004@[192.168.2.2]> References: <2147483647.1067191004@[192.168.2.2]> Message-ID: <2147483647.1067192088@[192.168.2.2]> Alright, apparently I'm blind, (or still haven't quite gotten the hang of the new finder search :) but X11 is on the 3rd install CD. You do have to run the installer separately from that CD, however. -Rich --- Original --- From: Rich Ramos To: macosx-admin@omnigroup.com Date: 10/26/03 5:56 PM -0700 Subject: X11 for Panther Alright I give up, where is the new version of X11 for Panther? I've checked all 4 disks now and can't find it? And of course the old version doesn't work, well sorta doesn't work since the quartz-wm program crashes and thus I don't get a window manager when trying to run the older version of X11. -Rich From macosxadmin at richramos.com Sun Oct 26 19:40:35 2003 From: macosxadmin at richramos.com (Rich Ramos) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:25 2005 Subject: Panther IPSec and Cisco VPNs Message-ID: <2147483647.1067196558@[192.168.2.2]> It is safe to assume that the new implementation of IPSec in Panther (which empirically looks like is still racoon) is not going to work with Cisco VPNs that are using the extended authentication (xauth)? It wouldn't bother me so much using the Cisco client except that it seems to crash once a week and then refuses to work until I have rebooted the machine. Not to mention the client seems to hide EVERYTHING (like routing tables and the like) making it very difficult to debug when things go wrong. -Rich From subscriber at gloaming.com Sun Oct 26 20:27:09 2003 From: subscriber at gloaming.com (James Bucanek) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:25 2005 Subject: Panther & FAX (Modified by Marley Graham) In-Reply-To: <8196CFBE-0803-11D8-BF2F-0050E4704A37@aquaflo.com> Message-ID: Marley Graham wrote on Sunday, October 26, 2003: >I have set up Panther for FAXing. The FAX to <> works fine, and I can >receive FAXes ok, but the option to e-mail it results in what you see >below. Is this a function of how the FAX machine is set up? > >Marley Graham >Aqua-Flo Supply >============ >On Oct 26, 2003, at 2:07 PM, System Administrator wrote: > >> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1556470721==" >> MIME-Version: 1.0 >> Subject: FAX from 8059675509.pdf >> To: mgraham@aquaflo.com >> From: FaxNotify >> >> You will not see this in a MIME-aware mail reader. >> --===============1556470721== >> Content-Type: application/pdf >> MIME-Version: 1.0 >> Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 >> Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="FAX from 8059675509.pdf" >> >> JVBERi0xLjMKJcTl8uXrp/ >> Og0MTGCjIgMCBvYmoKPDwgL0xlbmd0aCAxIDAgUiAvRmlsdGVyIC9G >> bGF0ZURlY29kZSA+PgpzdHJlYW0KeNorVAhUKFTQD0gtSk4tKClNzFEoygQKmBlY6llYGCk >> YAKG5 >> qYmeqbEhmJ2cq6DvmWuo4JIP1BcIAAhMD5UKZW5kc3RyZWFtCmVuZG9iagoxIDAgb2JqCjY >> yCmVu > >.. >.. >etc >.. >.. What exactly is the problem? The message above appears to be a correctly encoded MIME message with an attached PDF file, which I assume contains the image of the FAX you received. Do you not get the message? Do you not see the attachment? Is the attachment blank? What? ______________________________________________________ James Bucanek From chris at hirschle.ch Sun Oct 26 23:17:43 2003 From: chris at hirschle.ch (Christian Hirschle) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:25 2005 Subject: Anyone successfully install Bundle::LWP Perl Module? In-Reply-To: <324E9015-07D5-11D8-8652-000A95677556@sfc.keio.ac.jp> Message-ID: Hello, no idea if this helps, there is little patch needed in the perl-version, that comes with panther. look at the perl.macosx newsgroup, there are some issues with LWP (http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&group=perl.macosx) ---------------------------------------------------------------- From: Edward Moy (emoy@apple.com) Subject: Re: DBI and DBD::MySQL (Panther) Newsgroups: perl.macosx Date: 2003-10-15 17:00:15 PST We recently discovered the DBD::mysql problem as well. The patch is to edit /System/Library/Perl/5.8.1/darwin-thread-multi-2level/Config.pm, replacing: ld='MACOSX_DEPLOYMENT_TARGET=10.3 cc' with ld='env MACOSX_DEPLOYMENT_TARGET=10.3 cc' Unfortunately, this change is too late to get into Panther. ---------------------------------------------------------------- kind regards, Chris On Sonntag, Oktober 26, 2003, at 05:55 Uhr, Christopher Penrose wrote: > Hi folks, > > My amphetadesk broke after installing Panther. Thanks to > amphetadesk's clear diagnostics I quickly learned that Panther's perl > no longer comes bundled with many perl modules that were present in > earlier MacOS X releases. > > I tried to install the Perl Bundle::LWP module, it builds correctly > but it fails a few crucial tests. Has anyone had better luck? > > Thanks, > > Christopher > > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-admin mailing list > MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin > From root at nimug.org Mon Oct 27 04:59:52 2003 From: root at nimug.org (root@nimug.org) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:25 2005 Subject: X11 for Panther In-Reply-To: <2147483647.1067191004@[192.168.2.2]> References: <2147483647.1067191004@[192.168.2.2]> Message-ID: <74602159-087A-11D8-A81E-000A95C4E5FE@nimug.org> On 27 Oct 2003, at 00:56, Rich Ramos wrote: > > Alright I give up, where is the new version of X11 for Panther? I've > checked all 4 disks now and can't find it? 3rd disk. /Volumes/Mac\ OS\ X\ Install\ Disc\ 3/Packages/X11User.pkg From boonstb at cmg.FCNBD.COM Mon Oct 27 07:04:32 2003 From: boonstb at cmg.FCNBD.COM (Brian Boonstra) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:25 2005 Subject: Default paper size not on list? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200310271450.IAA02995@wo1203.cmg.FCNBD.COM> Just about the only thing I ever print from my computer is 4x6 photos. I have an HP Photosmart 7960 hooked up to the computer. Right now it seem's it's not working with Panther (even though I downloaded the Sept 16 drivers from HP yesterday), but let's leave that aside for the moment. I have the printer set as my default printer. But I cannot seem to set the default paper type to be 4x6 Photo. Preferably, iPhoto would let me do this, but it doesn't. So I tried to set 4x6 Photo as they system default, but it doesn't appear on the list. Any ideas? Brian From mgraham at aquaflo.com Mon Oct 27 07:47:41 2003 From: mgraham at aquaflo.com (Marley Graham) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:25 2005 Subject: ssh & Panther In-Reply-To: References: <68489CAA-0745-11D8-BE36-000502BD4C9B@mac.com> <0E10C3E8-0763-11D8-8F8B-0050E4704A37@aquaflo.com> <43AC6B5C-07F2-11D8-A201-0050E4704A37@aquaflo.com> Message-ID: <82000BC1-0893-11D8-9C7C-0050E4704A37@aquaflo.com> Hmm; I pulled out my installation notes from a few months ago. Those were the instructions at that time, and it worked OK under Jaguar. But now I have Panther (with its built-in ssh). On the other end is an AIX 4.3.3 machine running OpenSSH. What is the correct setup procedure? Thanks for your help. Marley Graham Aqua-Flo Supply ============== On Oct 26, 2003, at 1:39 PM, Shantonu Sen wrote: > I don't think OpenSSH has used authorized_keys2 for some time, > although they might have reently removed backwards compatibility for > it. From jamesh at uts.cc.utexas.edu Mon Oct 27 08:21:43 2003 From: jamesh at uts.cc.utexas.edu (James Hammett) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:25 2005 Subject: X11 for Panther In-Reply-To: <2147483647.1067191004@[192.168.2.2]> References: <2147483647.1067191004@[192.168.2.2]> Message-ID: At 5:56 PM -0700 10/26/03, Rich Ramos wrote: >Alright I give up, where is the new version of X11 for Panther? >I've checked all 4 disks now and can't find it? And of course the >old version doesn't work, well sorta doesn't work since the >quartz-wm program crashes and thus I don't get a window manager when >trying to run the older version of X11. On the beta's, if you clicked "Customize" in the Installer program, you could add X11 to the install (I assume its the same on the final) (and as several people have mentioned its on CD 3). later, James -- "The proper function of man is to live, not to exist. I shall not waste my days in trying to prolong them. I shall use my time." (Jack London) From osten2 at itab.com Mon Oct 27 08:34:29 2003 From: osten2 at itab.com (OSX) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:25 2005 Subject: My System Prefs gone whacky In-Reply-To: <74602159-087A-11D8-A81E-000A95C4E5FE@nimug.org> Message-ID: The Accounts control panel is missing and other weirdness is appearing. I usually modify accounts with nidump and niload. Maybe I broke something doing that? # nidump passwd . > passwd.tmp # vi passwd.tmp # niload passwd -d . < passwd.tmp How do fix it? Thanks, Sam From xsa at scmbb.ulb.ac.be Mon Oct 27 08:38:40 2003 From: xsa at scmbb.ulb.ac.be (Xavier Santolaria) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:25 2005 Subject: ssh & Panther In-Reply-To: <43AC6B5C-07F2-11D8-A201-0050E4704A37@aquaflo.com> Message-ID: hi Marley, On Sunday, October 26, 2003, at 09:23 PM, Marley Graham wrote: > I had set up ssh under Jaguar to do a passwordless connection to our > AIX server. After an "unfortunate incident" which left my HD thrashed, > I started rebuilding my world with a new hard drive and Panther. I > first tried just connecting with ssh as before, but it asked for my > password. > > I have some scripts that I run on my Mac that go out to the AIX > machine and perform some scripted Print Queue functions. They > performed well, and made my life a lot easier; but I lose the > advantage if I have to stop and enter a password. > > I tried running ssh-keygen -t rsa, as I did when I set up the > procedure under Jaguar. Then I copied the resulting id_rsa.pub key to > the server authorized_keys2 file as before. It still asks for my > password. > > I looked at the authorized_keys2 file, and the new entry looks very > similar to the previous one. Any ideas? Are there changes to the > implementation of ssh in Panther? This is not Panther specific I think (I do not even run it) ... but here is a doc that might help you: http://open.bsdcow.net/tutorials/ssh_pubkey_auth HTH - Xavier. -- Xavier Santolaria xsa at {ucmb,scmbb} dot ulb dot ac dot be http://scmbb.ulb.ac.be/~xsa/ From michaelm at opendarwin.org Mon Oct 27 08:53:05 2003 From: michaelm at opendarwin.org (Michael Maibaum) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:25 2005 Subject: X11 for Panther In-Reply-To: <2147483647.1067192088@[192.168.2.2]> References: <2147483647.1067191004@[192.168.2.2]> <2147483647.1067192088@[192.168.2.2]> Message-ID: <769AEB34-0899-11D8-8DBE-000A95BA5F0A@opendarwin.org> On 27 Oct 2003, at 01:14, Rich Ramos wrote: > > Alright, apparently I'm blind, (or still haven't quite gotten the hang > of the new finder search :) but X11 is on the 3rd install CD. You do > have to run the installer separately from that CD, however. > Or choose a 'custom' install and select it. Michael From jimstead at mac.com Mon Oct 27 09:24:54 2003 From: jimstead at mac.com (James E. Stead) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:25 2005 Subject: Dwrite to set finder view? Message-ID: <0AD20821-08A0-11D8-88F6-003065BDA9F4@mac.com> Is anyone aware of a dwrite that sets the default view for Finder windows? James E. Stead Software Engineer 407.252.3321 jimstead@mac.com From tim at macwebb.com Mon Oct 27 10:40:23 2003 From: tim at macwebb.com (Tim McLaughlin) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:25 2005 Subject: Has anyone *installed* any imapd on Panther Client? Message-ID: I've searched the archive (and Google in general) for tips from anyone who has done this, to no avail. I had a fetchmail/procmail/imapd setup on Jaguar that allowed me to archive all of my mail locally, then access it through imapd locally. That is useless to me now, since uw-imapd doesn't work, apparently due to changes in Netinfo's handling of Passwords? Anyhow, I've located the Cyrus IMAPd on Apple's Darwin site: There are quite a few hitches with getting this installed (I thought the full Darwin was installed with the "BSD Layer"?), but I've worked through some of them (install BerkeleyDB, various dirs and settings that aren't there). However, I am stymied in some issues around AutoConfig. I've not spent much time (any) with AC, so I don't know how to get through that part. What I'm wondering is if anyone has managed to get *ANY* imapd installed and working with Panther Client? If this is a new issue, I'd be happy to re-run my attempts and post the procedures I take and errors I get, but I didn't want to hit the list with that if it was unnecessary. Thanks, Tim From rpeskin at rlpcon.com Mon Oct 27 15:13:13 2003 From: rpeskin at rlpcon.com (Richard Peskin) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:25 2005 Subject: Process Viewer gone from Panther? Message-ID: Is the Process Viewer now gone from Panther? --dick peskin From rpeskin at rlpcon.com Mon Oct 27 15:15:13 2003 From: rpeskin at rlpcon.com (Richard Peskin) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:25 2005 Subject: Process Viewer gone from Panther? Message-ID: Is the Process Viewer now gone from Panther? --dick peskin From martin.heusse at imag.fr Mon Oct 27 16:30:35 2003 From: martin.heusse at imag.fr (Martin Heusse) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:25 2005 Subject: IPSec + ppp => kernel panic Message-ID: <6BDC6D24-0875-11D8-A329-000393A6F8E2@imag.fr> Hi all, I hope this has not been addressed 10 000 times in this list. On Mac OS 10.2.8 (G4) When I configure IPSec in tunnel mode, using the gif interface, it works perfectly on my LAN. But if I try the same thing at home behind my DSL modem (PPPoE), I get a kernel panic? Any clue/workaround ? Setup : mac OS X FreeBSD (gif0) 10.128.0.1 (gif0)10.128.0.254 | | | | (en2) x.y.z.t (eth0)a.b.c.d | | PPPoE | ----------->>------------ Conf. on th mac OS X host: spdadd 10.128.0.1 0.0.0.0/0 any -P out ipsec esp/tunnel/x.y.z.t-a.b.c.d/require; spdadd 0.0.0.0/0 10.128.0.1 any -P in ipsec esp/tunnel/a.b.c.d-x.y.z.t/require; The crash happens when I try to send my first packet through the tunnel? It says : Sat Oct 25 22:47:23 2003 panic(cpu 0): freeing free mbuf Latest stack backtrace for cpu 0: Backtrace: 0x000857F4 0x00085C24 0x000287B4 0x001F8F48 0x001F9A0C 0x000DF680 0x00101540 0x00108D40 0x00106B74 0x000FC624 0x000FC6C4 0x000EABC8 0x000DEE8C 0x000DED88 Proceeding back via exception chain: Exception state (sv=0x01411500) PC=0x00000000; MSR=0x0000D030; DAR=0x00000000; DSISR=0x00000000; LR=0x00000000; R1=0x00000000; XCP=0x00000000 (Unknown) Kernel version: Darwin Kernel Version 6.8: Wed Sep 10 15:20:55 PDT 2003; root:xnu/xnu-344.49.obj~2/RELEASE_PPC From Gerben.Wierda at rna.nl Mon Oct 27 17:05:38 2003 From: Gerben.Wierda at rna.nl (Gerben Wierda) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:33:25 2005 Subject: How to fix this Airport conundrum? (Panther Server) Message-ID: At one point I checked and Airport in my Cube worked and