From scott at maxify.com Fri Jun 1 00:04:42 2001 From: scott at maxify.com (Scott Stevenson) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:18 2005 Subject: Finder copy makes Finder/Sherlock unusable In-Reply-To: <20010601004435.A20062@uiuc.edu> Message-ID: <200106010555.WAA30083@spyhunter.maxify.com> On Thursday, May 31, 2001, at 10:44 PM, Nicholas Riley wrote: > The OS X versions of Finder and Sherlock are unusably slow for file > operations. Hope as the rest of us do that these problems are fixed Actually, I've found the OSX Finder to be noticeably faster for some file operations (local copies). However, network copies (iDisk included) are seem to tie up the machine. - Scott -- Scott Stevenson http://wildtofu.com/ http://maxify.com/ From scott at maxify.com Fri Jun 1 00:18:15 2001 From: scott at maxify.com (Scott Stevenson) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:19 2005 Subject: Reasonable File Limit for Folders? In-Reply-To: <20010531215911.A17134@uiuc.edu> Message-ID: <200106010608.XAA30126@spyhunter.maxify.com> On Thursday, May 31, 2001, at 07:59 PM, Nicholas Riley wrote: >> These are MacOS 9 problems though, so they will go away once Classic >> Finder & System are no longer in use. Apparently one of the MacOS X >> updates fixed the Carbon Finder displaying long file lists, so that >> _shouldn't_ be an problem in the future. > > Given the Carbon Finder is unusably slow when resizing a column in a > 25-file list on a dual-processor G4, they'd better fix it :-) In terms of resizing speed, I would bet the total number of files isn't as much of a factor as the number of files that are being displayed at any one time. Of course, maybe you were just being sarcastic. :) - Scott -- Scott Stevenson http://wildtofu.com/ http://maxify.com/ From jwelch at aer.com Fri Jun 1 04:04:18 2001 From: jwelch at aer.com (John Welch) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:19 2005 Subject: HFS+ or UFS? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wednesday, May 30, 2001, at 01:13 PM, Derek Balling wrote: > Is the 32-character limitation in filenames an HFS+ limitation or > simply an OS(<=9.1) limitation? It's a Finder limitation in Non-X Mac OS's john Why yes -- a bulletproof vest. James Rodges, murderer, on his final request before the firing squad From jwelch at aer.com Fri Jun 1 04:12:09 2001 From: jwelch at aer.com (John Welch) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:19 2005 Subject: Kerberos+Macosx=dead end. In-Reply-To: <200105311622.JAA12757@smtpout.mac.com> Message-ID: On Thursday, May 31, 2001, at 12:22 PM, Robert Phelan wrote: > I'm really stuck on this kerberos authentication bit (see Kerberos with > MacOSX previously posted). I've contacted DTS, and they say it's a > usage issue, I've contacted developer support, and they say it's beyond > their scope of service. I've been on every message board, mailing > list, and forum I know and have yet to find the answer. Is it really > that hard? It would seem apple built kerberos into the system, but I > have yet to find a way to make it function as the default authenticator. > > Am I the only one? Has anyone else tried and failed? Has anyone else > tried and succeeded? It's a pretty dead implementation, but from MIT's folks at the WWDC, the OS X implementation of the next release of Kerberos is as high on the list as any platform. john America is the country where you buy a lifetime supply of aspirin for one dollar, and use it up in two weeks. From jwalcik at notwithstanding.org Fri Jun 1 07:13:21 2001 From: jwalcik at notwithstanding.org (jacob walcik) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:19 2005 Subject: zope on osx? Message-ID: anyone else out there running zope on osx? -- jacob walcik jwalcik@notwithstanding.org From dmz-lists at tffenterprises.com Fri Jun 1 08:30:18 2001 From: dmz-lists at tffenterprises.com (Daniel M. Zimmerman) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:19 2005 Subject: HFS+ or UFS? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7673502.991384216@babylon2.caltech.edu> --On fredag 1 juni 2001 07:04 -0400 John Welch wrote: > On Wednesday, May 30, 2001, at 01:13 PM, Derek Balling wrote: > >> Is the 32-character limitation in filenames an HFS+ limitation or >> simply an OS(<=9.1) limitation? > > It's a Finder limitation in Non-X Mac OS's More accurately, it's a limitation of the old File Manager APIs (pre-Mac OS 9), and any apps that use them (including Finder up through 9.1, and many ported Carbon apps). Apps that use the newer File Manager APIs introduced in Mac OS 9 (MRJ 2.2.4 is an example of such for Classic Mac OS, I don't know offhand of any Carbon examples) can deal with 255-character Unicode filenames on HFS+ volumes just fine. -Dan ------------------------------------------------------------------ Daniel M. Zimmerman TFF Enterprises M/S 256-80 - Caltech http://www.tffenterprises.com/ Pasadena, California 91125 USA dmz@tffenterprises.com From centuri at rollanet.org Fri Jun 1 08:41:02 2001 From: centuri at rollanet.org (centuri@rollanet.org) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:19 2005 Subject: aklog (was Kerberos/OSXS=dead end) Message-ID: <200106011540.IAA23715@omnigroup.com> Thanks to all those that replied about the current lack of kerberos support in OSXS. Hopefully MIT/Apple will roll out something soon. In the mean time, I'm working on just getting the underlying stuff to work such as being able to obtain Kerberos Tickets and afs tokens. One of the main sysadmins tells me that our infrastructure does not support standard klog, and that to obtain AFS tokens via my krb5 ticket, I need to use aklog. Does anyone know if aklog has been ported to darwin/osx/osxs? I'm still searching and I'll let you know what I find. Thanks, Robert Phelan University Missouri Rolla From ben at cogs.com Fri Jun 1 08:53:05 2001 From: ben at cogs.com (Ben Greenfield) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:19 2005 Subject: Terminal.app honors xterm escape sequences! In-Reply-To: <20010531130128.BF30A631E@smtp-2.enteract.com> Message-ID: I have made good use of all the info given on this topic. Now that I have my terminal window doing what I want I would like a dissection of how/why this simple command get it's job done. here is the command I'm using with the zsh. I basically add it to the end of my zlogin and it works. I understand precmd is run before each prompt which is the update cycle. I understand that %n and %m are username and hostname. but how does {print -Pn "\e]0; and \a"} relate to the title of my terminal window being set. I imagine that zero is a critical piece. thanks Ben precmd () {print -Pn "\e]0;%n@%m:\a"} From ssklar at mac.com Fri Jun 1 08:54:07 2001 From: ssklar at mac.com (Sandor W. Sklar) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:19 2005 Subject: aklog (was Kerberos/OSXS=dead end) In-Reply-To: <200106011540.IAA23715@omnigroup.com> References: <200106011540.IAA23715@omnigroup.com> Message-ID: I've had good success using the afs client distribution from the arla project, along with the kth-krb kerberos distribution for authentication. (It might be possible to use MIT-KfM, but using the KTH dist is the shortest path to success.) The OpenAFS project's distribution is supposed to work with Darwin/X as well, but I haven't had time to try it out. -- sandor w. sklar unix systems administrator stanford university itss-css At 10:40 AM -0500 6/1/01, centuri@rollanet.org wrote: Thanks to all those that replied about the current lack of kerberos support in OSXS. Hopefully MIT/Apple will roll out something soon. In the mean time, I'm working on just getting the underlying stuff to work such as being able to obtain Kerberos Tickets and afs tokens. One of the main sysadmins tells me that our infrastructure does not support standard klog, and that to obtain AFS tokens via my krb5 ticket, I need to use aklog. Does anyone know if aklog has been ported to darwin/osx/osxs? I'm still searching and I'll let you know what I find. From chandler at nrlssc.navy.mil Fri Jun 1 09:07:44 2001 From: chandler at nrlssc.navy.mil (Howard Chandler) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:19 2005 Subject: Where is OSTYPE set Message-ID: Greetings, I'm running OSX, 10.0.3 on a G4 cube with the developer CD installed. In the default configuration for sh (bourne shell) the environment variable OSTYPE is set to darwin1.0. The man page for sh says to look in /etc/profile but I find nothing there. Where should I be looking? In the Makefile environment OSTYPE is set to macos. Is this a bug or a feature? If it's a feature, why's it different and how can I change it. There is no manpage for make. TIA, Howard -- From brian at macserve.net Fri Jun 1 09:24:29 2001 From: brian at macserve.net (Brian Blood) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:19 2005 Subject: UFS where? Message-ID: <1220709827-4179383@mail3.macserve.net> I just added an 18GB drive to the server I'm building and I partitioned it into 2 volumes: 1. 8GB HFS+ volume named SystemHD (No problems seeing this) 2. 10GB UFS partition named Data (I wanted to use this for MySQL tables) I've restarted just in case (doesn't it seem we are moving towards Windows in this respect? Having to restart everytime something is changed.) My problem is that I can't find "Data". It doesn't show up under "/" when I'm in Terminal. (I'm logged in as the root user). It's not under /Volumes. It shows up under Disk First Aid as " ". (Yes that's a space) Any ideas? Along the lines of the recent HFS+ vs UFS discussion, should I even bother with this UFS stuff? What about compiling software that has source files that are case-insensitively named the same? Wouldn't a UFS partition make sense? Maybe even a small 1GB one? Thanks in advance. Brian Blood MacServe.net From jwalcik at notwithstanding.org Fri Jun 1 09:29:26 2001 From: jwalcik at notwithstanding.org (jacob walcik) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:19 2005 Subject: UFS where? In-Reply-To: <1220709827-4179383@mail3.macserve.net> Message-ID: i know there are problems compiling some software on HFS+ volumes do the the lack of case sensitivity (namely with compiling python). i had to set a variable in the Makefile to have it spit out an executable with a .exe extension, then rename it back to just "python" after i'd done the "make install" -- jacob walcik jwalcik@notwithstanding.org On Fri, 1 Jun 2001, Brian Blood wrote: > I just added an 18GB drive to the server I'm building and I partitioned > it into 2 volumes: > > 1. 8GB HFS+ volume named SystemHD > (No problems seeing this) > > 2. 10GB UFS partition named Data > (I wanted to use this for MySQL tables) > > I've restarted just in case (doesn't it seem we are moving towards > Windows in this respect? Having to restart everytime something is > changed.) > > My problem is that I can't find "Data". > > It doesn't show up under "/" when I'm in Terminal. (I'm logged in as the > root user). > > It's not under /Volumes. > > It shows up under Disk First Aid as " ". (Yes that's a space) > > Any ideas? > > Along the lines of the recent HFS+ vs UFS discussion, should I even > bother with this UFS stuff? > > What about compiling software that has source files that are > case-insensitively named the same? Wouldn't a UFS partition make sense? > Maybe even a small 1GB one? > > > Thanks in advance. > > > Brian Blood > MacServe.net > > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-admin mailing list > MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin > From ssklar at mac.com Fri Jun 1 09:57:09 2001 From: ssklar at mac.com (Sandor W. Sklar) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:19 2005 Subject: Terminal.app honors xterm escape sequences! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I think that the best explanation is at -s- At 11:52 AM -0400 6/1/01, Ben Greenfield wrote: >I have made good use of all the info given on this topic. Now that I >have my terminal window doing what I want I would like a dissection >of how/why this simple command get it's job done. > >here is the command I'm using with the zsh. I basically add it to >the end of my zlogin and it works. I understand precmd is run before >each prompt which is the update cycle. I understand that %n and %m >are username and hostname. > >but how does {print -Pn "\e]0; and \a"} relate to the title of my >terminal window being set. I imagine that zero is a critical piece. > >thanks > >Ben > >precmd () {print -Pn "\e]0;%n@%m:\a"} >_______________________________________________ >MacOSX-admin mailing list >MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com >http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin -- sandor w. sklar unix systems administrator stanford university itss-css From ort at bergersen.no Fri Jun 1 10:15:55 2001 From: ort at bergersen.no (ort) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:19 2005 Subject: Multihoming . . . Message-ID: <1220706749-89380022@bergersen.no> Hi! I am trying to hook up my machine to a local and an external subnet. On OS 9 I used multihoming for this feature (through IP secondary addresses). * How is this best done in OS X? * Are there also other ways to accomplish this? During the beta cycle of OS X I spent a lot of time trying to set up multihoming. I even was able to add different IP's to ethernet card -- but still I wasn't able to see the the different sub networks at the same time . . . Hope someone as some info on this! Thanks! :) Richard Taubo From herren at champlain.edu Fri Jun 1 10:18:58 2001 From: herren at champlain.edu (David Herren) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:19 2005 Subject: way off topic - server video monitor with dual inputs? Message-ID: Apologies for this but I suspect this group will have valuable opinions... I know some will at least _have_ opinions... ;-) Please reply off list.. . I have a G4 and an Intel box as servers sharing a single monitor with dual, switchable inputs. We don't actually need a KVM switch since there's plenty of room for both keyboards and we almost _never_ need to use the PC keyboard for anything anyway. Currently, we're using a 21 inch monitor for this, which is overkill, and I'd like to use that monitor on a developer's desk instead. Can any of you recommend small 17"-19" monitors you have used that have dual video inputs? /david -- david herren director of online media development champlain college From jwalcik at notwithstanding.org Fri Jun 1 10:32:50 2001 From: jwalcik at notwithstanding.org (jacob walcik) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:19 2005 Subject: way off topic - server video monitor with dual inputs? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: sony g400 19" trinitron -- jacob walcik jwalcik@notwithstanding.org On Fri, 1 Jun 2001, David Herren wrote: > Apologies for this but I suspect this group will have valuable opinions... > I know some will at least _have_ opinions... ;-) Please reply off list.. > . > > I have a G4 and an Intel box as servers sharing a single monitor with dual, > switchable inputs. We don't actually need a KVM switch since there's > plenty of room for both keyboards and we almost _never_ need to use the PC > keyboard for anything anyway. > > Currently, we're using a 21 inch monitor for this, which is overkill, and > I'd like to use that monitor on a developer's desk instead. Can any of you > recommend small 17"-19" monitors you have used that have dual video inputs? > > /david > > -- > david herren > director of online media development > champlain college > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-admin mailing list > MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin > From justin at mac.com Fri Jun 1 11:57:56 2001 From: justin at mac.com (Justin C. Walker) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:19 2005 Subject: Multihoming . . . In-Reply-To: <1220706749-89380022@bergersen.no> Message-ID: <200106011903.MAA11122@mail.nexsi.com> Should work with no problems. The only 'minor' issue is that there isn't real support for IP aliasing (which is what I assume you mean by 'multihoming') in the GUI. In order to do this by hand, you can use 'ifconfig', as root, to do something like the following: # ifconfig en0 inet X.Y.Z.W netmask foo alias This assumes that 'en0' is already up, with an IP address assigned. A word about netmask: if X.Y.Z.W is on the same subnet as an existing address assigned to 'en0', you should use 255.255.255.255; otherwise, use the "proper" netmask (i.e, the one that should go with the subnet you are trying to establish). Since this isn't really supported at the GUI level, this won't be persistent. To make it persistent, you will have to stick the 'ifconfig' line in a startup script somewhere. What do you mean by "I wasn't able to see the the different sub networks at the same time"? Regards, Justin On Friday, June 1, 2001, at 10:09 AM, ort wrote: > Hi! > > I am trying to hook up my machine to a local and an external subnet. On > OS 9 I used multihoming for this feature (through IP secondary > addresses). > > * How is this best done in OS X? > * Are there also other ways to accomplish this? > > During the beta cycle of OS X I spent a lot of time trying to set up > multihoming. I even was able to add different IP's to ethernet card -- > but still I wasn't able to see the the different sub networks at the > same time . . . > > Hope someone as some info on this! > > Thanks! :) > Richard Taubo > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-admin mailing list > MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin > Justin C. Walker, Curmudgeon-At-Large * Institute for General Semantics | Director of Technology | It's not whether you win Nexsi Corp. | or lose... 1959 Concourse Drive | It's whether *I* win or lose. San Jose, CA 95131 | *---------------------------------------*-------------------------------* From milov at cslab.uwlax.edu Fri Jun 1 12:07:29 2001 From: milov at cslab.uwlax.edu (Milo Velimirovic) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:19 2005 Subject: Address Book and LDAP In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20010601191053.7D10711A91@adelle.sah.uwlax.edu> Does anyone know what needs to be done to get Address Book to talk to an LDAP server running on Win2000 with Exchange server? I've tried just adding a server entry in Preferences and I've also tried including Search Base tokens specified by our Windows admin and the result of searches is always the same: "Done searching, 0 result(s) received from 0 server(s)." TIA, Milo -- Milo Velimirovic Unix Computer Network Administrator (608) 785-6618 University of Wisconsin - La Crosse La Crosse, Wisconsin 54601 USA 43 48 05 N 91 14 22 W From vlb at cfcl.com Fri Jun 1 12:25:52 2001 From: vlb at cfcl.com (Vicki Brown) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:19 2005 Subject: UFS where? In-Reply-To: <1220709827-4179383@mail3.macserve.net> References: <1220709827-4179383@mail3.macserve.net> Message-ID: At 11:24 -0500 06/01/01, Brian Blood wrote: >I just added an 18GB drive to the server I'm building and I partitioned >it into 2 volumes: > >1. 8GB HFS+ volume named SystemHD > (No problems seeing this) > >2. 10GB UFS partition named Data > (I wanted to use this for MySQL tables) I had the same problem. I used pdisk to prove the partition was actually there (you need to use sudo to run pdisk; don't change anything, just look and remember the disk partition info, e.g. /dev/disk0s5) Then I used newfs to create a file system and I could mount that file system. (I had partitioned when I installed and didn't have a valid UFS filesystem, only a partition) When I restarted, however, it's automounting as "untitled" and I still don't know why (or how to change it). Did you partition the disk under X or 9? -- -- Vicki Brown ZZZ Journeyman Sourceror: zz |\ _,,,---,,_ P.O. Box 1269 Scripts & Philtres zz /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ San Bruno, CA (Perl, Unix) |,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-' 94066 USA http://www.cfcl.com/~vlb '---''(_/--' `-'\_) mailto:vlb@cfcl.com From centuri at mac.com Fri Jun 1 12:26:17 2001 From: centuri at mac.com (Robert Phelan) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:19 2005 Subject: MacManager VS MacAdmin Message-ID: <200106011922.MAA18206@smtpout.mac.com> Ok this is a general bit for all those working in academic institutions or others that have large numbers of large (10+ each) computer labs. At my university we have a large NT Network that allows all users to go from lab machine to lab machine and have it look like a seamless transition every time you log in. This is what I've been hired to try to do on the mac side with OSX Server and Macintosh Manager. We currently run MacAdmin lab software and the current full-time mac employee is having fits with it and is looking for another solution. To that end I've been playing around with the new Macintosh Manager software that came with OSXS, and so far have been extremely unimpressed. I find the interface to be terribly clunky and the actual usefulness of the app in a setting such as mine to be very limited. The preference management seems especially poor. In any case, enough with my rant. The underlying question is, are there any other lab control software packages out there that you've found to fit this situation? Does anyone know if Apple plans to upgrade MM with new features to make it a viable lab admin tool? Any ideas would be much appreciated. Thanks, Robert Phelan University Missouri Rolla From sherlock at rna.nl Fri Jun 1 12:48:48 2001 From: sherlock at rna.nl (Sherlock Holmes) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:19 2005 Subject: Where is OSTYPE set In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20010601194702.CF0FCA8A6@spike.rna.nl> If you run the default shell tcsh, part of these environment variables are set at compile time for that shell (OSTYPE, MACHTYPE) part is set by the program (HOST). See man tcsh for details. SH On Friday, June 1, 2001, at 06:05 PM, Howard Chandler wrote: > Greetings, > > I'm running OSX, 10.0.3 on a G4 cube with the developer CD installed. > > In the default configuration for sh (bourne shell) the environment > variable > OSTYPE is set to darwin1.0. The man page for sh says to look in > /etc/profile > but I find nothing there. Where should I be looking? > > In the Makefile environment OSTYPE is set to macos. Is this a bug or > a feature? > If it's a feature, why's it different and how can I change it. There is > no manpage > for make. > > TIA, > > Howard > > > -- _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-admin mailing list > MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin > From ort at bergersen.no Fri Jun 1 12:51:20 2001 From: ort at bergersen.no (ort) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:19 2005 Subject: Multihoming . . . In-Reply-To: <200106011903.MAA11122@mail.nexsi.com> Message-ID: <1220697477-89937816@bergersen.no> Hi! On Friday, June 1, 2001, at 08:53 PM, Justin C. Walker wrote: --snippet-- IP aliasing (which is what I assume you mean by 'multihoming') in the GUI --snippet-- If you mean that IP 1 is just a an alias for IP 2, then no. I am talking about two separate IP's. If e.g. one want to set up SSL on Apache for different domains I think one need separate IP's -- I don't think IP aliasing or virtual domains added in the httpd.conf file is enough (?!?). IP aliasing might be good enough for the situation I described in my initial post, but not for hosting of different SSL domains on a webserver (?) --snippet-- > What do you mean by "I wasn't able to see the the different sub networks at the same time"? --snippet-- What I meant is that I could only connect to other machines on the first subnet through the finder (using 'Connect to server' option in the Finder). Is setting up other IP's using ifconfig limited to operations in the CLI? If so, is it even possible to connect to other subnets through the Finder? --snippet-- # ifconfig en0 inet X.Y.Z.W netmask foo alias --snippet-- foo in this case is the first subnet IP that I want to alias? If one have more aliases, do one still use en0 or en1 (I guess en0 is the default network card, and en1...n is used for additional network cards)?) Thanks! :) Cheers, Richard Taubo > > On Friday, June 1, 2001, at 10:09 AM, ort wrote: > >> Hi! >> >> I am trying to hook up my machine to a local and an external subnet. >> On OS 9 I used multihoming for this feature (through IP secondary >> addresses). >> >> * How is this best done in OS X? >> * Are there also other ways to accomplish this? >> >> During the beta cycle of OS X I spent a lot of time trying to set up >> multihoming. I even was able to add different IP's to ethernet >> card -- but still I wasn't able to see the the different sub networks >> at the same time . . . >> >> Hope someone as some info on this! >> >> Thanks! :) >> Richard Taubo >> _______________________________________________ >> MacOSX-admin mailing list >> MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com >> http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin >> > > Justin C. Walker, Curmudgeon-At-Large * > Institute for General Semantics | > Director of Technology | It's not whether you win > Nexsi Corp. | or lose... > 1959 Concourse Drive | It's whether *I* win or lose. > San Jose, CA 95131 | > *---------------------------------------*-------------------------------* > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-admin mailing list > MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin > From Albert-Lunde at northwestern.edu Fri Jun 1 13:19:25 2001 From: Albert-Lunde at northwestern.edu (Albert Lunde) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:19 2005 Subject: Multihoming . . . In-Reply-To: <1220697477-89937816@bergersen.no>; from "ort" at Jun 1, 2001 9:44 pm Message-ID: <200106012019.PAA03058@nuinfo.northwestern.edu> > On Friday, June 1, 2001, at 08:53 PM, Justin C. Walker wrote: > --snippet-- > IP aliasing (which is what I assume you mean by 'multihoming') in the GUI > --snippet-- > > If you mean that IP 1 is just a an alias for IP 2, then no. I am talking > about two separate IP's. If e.g. one want to set up SSL on Apache for > different domains I think one need separate IP's -- I don't think IP > aliasing or virtual domains added in the httpd.conf file is > enough (?!?). IP aliasing might be good enough for the situation I > described in my initial post, but not for hosting of different SSL > domains on a webserver (?) I can't shed light on the MacOS X questions, but I think I can confirm that do you need two IP addresses to run two SSL servers with different host certificates The issue is that the SSL handshake is done before sending/receiving any HTTP headers like "Host:". But you _might_ be able to serve both with a single instance of Apache by using the Apache IP-based virtual hosts. I'm not sure. The issue that is usually OS-specific is how to get one Ethernet interface to listen on multiple IP addresses, at the OS level. This may, in fact be what's being referred to as IP aliases. On different Unix flavors it gets implemented with an option to the "ifconfig" command or with an "ifalias" command. -- Albert Lunde Albert-Lunde@northwestern.edu (new address) Albert-Lunde@nwu.edu (old address) From rsauzier at sfsu.edu Fri Jun 1 14:31:57 2001 From: rsauzier at sfsu.edu (Robert deMallac) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:19 2005 Subject: setenv (was Re: Documentation) Message-ID: <200106012131.OAA24881@cluster1.sfsu.edu> Hello all, >>BTW, I just checked, and OS X's 'more' -will- let me go backwards >>(with the 'b' key, which is what I always use). Maybe Scott was >>talking about scrolling back a line at a time, with the 'k' key (a la >>vi?) > >Exactly. But... > > setenv PAGER "less" > >...fixes all of this. setenv: command not found. I have the developer tools installed; did I miss something, or do I need to compile setenv from source? TIA, ************************************ Rob deMallac Network Manager SFSU Journalism Department http://www.journalism.sfsu.edu/ ************************************ From justin at mac.com Fri Jun 1 14:33:03 2001 From: justin at mac.com (Justin C. Walker) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:19 2005 Subject: Multihoming . . . In-Reply-To: <1220697477-89937816@bergersen.no> Message-ID: <200106012138.OAA13260@mail.nexsi.com> On Friday, June 1, 2001, at 12:44 PM, ort wrote: > Hi! > > On Friday, June 1, 2001, at 08:53 PM, Justin C. Walker wrote: > --snippet-- > IP aliasing (which is what I assume you mean by 'multihoming') in the > GUI > --snippet-- > > If you mean that IP 1 is just a an alias for IP 2, then no. No, I mean assigning multiple IP addresses to a single network interfaces. For example, % Name Mtu Network Address Ipkts Ierrs Opkts Oerrs Coll lo0 16384 2901 0 2901 0 0 lo0 16384 127 127.0.0.1 2901 0 2901 0 0 en0 1500 00.30.65.bf.8d.80 104349 0 2658 0 0 en0 1500 172.18 172.18.14.142 104349 0 2658 0 0 en0 1500 10.2.1/24 10.2.1.3 104349 0 2658 0 0 In the above, the '172' address has netmask 255.255.0.0 (which is its "natural" mask, so netstat doesn't indicate it); while the '10' address has netmask 255.255.255.0. On Darwin, and other Unices (including Linux), this works "jest fine". The term 'multihoming' has been misused in the Mac community (thanks to Apple, because of the desire for multihoming support in *some* form). The usual term for this is "IP aliasing". > I am talking about two separate IP's. If e.g. one want to set up SSL on > Apache for different domains I think one need separate IP's -- I don't > think IP aliasing or virtual domains added in the httpd.conf file is > enough (?!?). IP aliasing might be good enough for the situation I > described in my initial post, but not for hosting of different SSL > domains on a webserver (?) Should be no problem with the above. > --snippet-- > > What do you mean by "I wasn't able to see the the different sub > networks at the same time"? > --snippet-- > > What I meant is that I could only connect to other machines on the > first subnet through the finder (using 'Connect to server' option in > the Finder). Is setting up other IP's using ifconfig limited to > operations in the CLI? If so, is it even possible to connect to other > subnets through the Finder? > > --snippet-- > # ifconfig en0 inet X.Y.Z.W netmask foo alias > --snippet-- > > foo in this case is the first subnet IP that I want to alias? > If one have more aliases, do one still use en0 or en1 (I guess en0 is > the default network card, and en1...n is used for additional network > cards)?) In order to diagnose what's going wrong, I'd need more info (output from "ifconfig -a", "netstat -rn", and "netstat -in", for a start). As for device naming, in Darwin, devices are named according to media type, so ethernet interfaces are "en" followed by integer. En0 is the built-in interface, and if airport is present, it is typically 'en1'. As you note, others will be en2, ... Regards, Justin Justin C. Walker, Curmudgeon-At-Large * Institute for General Semantics | Director of Technology | Men are from Earth Nexsi Corp. | Women are from Earth 1959 Concourse Drive | Deal with it. San Jose, CA 95131 | *-------------------------------------*-------------------------------* From ronald at pepsan.com Fri Jun 1 14:40:57 2001 From: ronald at pepsan.com (Ronald Guest) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:19 2005 Subject: unbuffered output to a pipe Message-ID: This is a bit of an odd question but here goes. I want to pipe output from the "top" command to another command using it's -l option (non-screen mode). However, top is buffering it's output to the pipe and so the data doesn't show up until the pipe is full. I seem to recall there being a trick to force a command to do unbuffered writes but I can't recall it. Does anyone know of a way to do it? Modifying top's source code would not be a good option for what I'm trying to do so I'm looking for a command level trick. If you'd like a specific example, just try doing top -d -l 10 1 | cat It won't actually show any output until the buffer is full or the command exits. If you remove the pipe to cat the output will show up right away. Commands like "vm_stat 1" don't have this problem (feature). Thanks, Ron _______________________ Ronald Guest Pepsan & Associates, Inc. Creating Pathways to Excellence ronald@pepsan.com http://www.pepsan.com _______________________ Human beings are not dominated by material things, but by ideas for which they are willing to give their lives or their life's work - Winston Churchill From vlb at cfcl.com Fri Jun 1 15:23:57 2001 From: vlb at cfcl.com (Vicki Brown) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:19 2005 Subject: setenv In-Reply-To: <200106012131.OAA24881@cluster1.sfsu.edu> References: <200106012131.OAA24881@cluster1.sfsu.edu> Message-ID: setenv is a builtin for csh, tcsh, and bash It is not present in sh, ksh or zsh. Other shells will vary. In the sh variants, use PAGER='less'; export $PAGER At 14:30 -0700 06/01/01, Robert deMallac wrote: > > > >Exactly. But... > > > > setenv PAGER "less" > > > >...fixes all of this. > >setenv: command not found. > >I have the developer tools installed; did I miss something, or do I need >to compile setenv from source? > >TIA, > >************************************ >Rob deMallac >Network Manager >SFSU Journalism Department >http://www.journalism.sfsu.edu/ >************************************ >_______________________________________________ >MacOSX-admin mailing list >MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com >http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin -- -- Vicki Brown ZZZ Journeyman Sourceror: zz |\ _,,,---,,_ P.O. Box 1269 Scripts & Philtres zz /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ San Bruno, CA (Perl, Unix) |,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-' 94066 USA http://www.cfcl.com/~vlb '---''(_/--' `-'\_) mailto:vlb@cfcl.com From altius at 9online.fr Fri Jun 1 15:31:24 2001 From: altius at 9online.fr (Altius Consultants) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:19 2005 Subject: any idea how to stop Internet Explorer software update? In-Reply-To: <200105290452.VAA00171@omnigroup.com> Message-ID: <200106012231.PAA17237@omnigroup.com> Where did you get the HP (deskjet) drivers from ? Rupert Le mardi 29 mai 2001, ? 06:51, Roger Carlson a ?crit : > I don't want IE on my machine. (I have to admit, it seems better under > 10 than under 9, it doesn't scatter poorly named extensions all over my > system folder, but just the same, I want nothing to do with it.) > > Any idea how to make software update stop offering IE 5.1? > > sad that we get force fed IE, but the new HP drivers you have to hunt > for. > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-admin mailing list > MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin > From dev at humph.com Fri Jun 1 16:13:22 2001 From: dev at humph.com (Giuliano Gavazzi) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:19 2005 Subject: Multihoming . . . In-Reply-To: <200106011903.MAA11122@mail.nexsi.com> References: <200106011903.MAA11122@mail.nexsi.com> Message-ID: At 11:53 am -0700 2001/06/01, Justin C. Walker wrote: [...] >A word about netmask: if X.Y.Z.W is on the same subnet as an >existing address assigned to 'en0', you should use 255.255.255.255; >otherwise, use the "proper" netmask (i.e, the one that should go >with the subnet you are trying to establish). > >Since this isn't really supported at the GUI level, this won't be >persistent. To make it persistent, you will have to stick the >'ifconfig' line in a startup script somewhere. > >What do you mean by "I wasn't able to see the the different sub >networks at the same time"? I guess he might have had problems if the extra addresses were not on the same subnet as the primary interface address. In this case one must add a route via 127.0.0.1 to the extra address. Example: /sbin/ifconfig en0 inet 193.125.238.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 (primary address) /sbin/ifconfig en0 inet 193.125.238.2 netmask 255.255.255.255 alias (it does not need a route added) /sbin/ifconfig en0 inet 193.241.1.4 netmask 255.255.255.0 alias (not same subnet, so it needs a route added) to add the route for the second alias: /sbin/route add -host 193.241.1.4 127.0.0.1 [any resemblance of these ip addresses with existing ip addresses is purely coincidental] Needless to say I do not use 255.255.255.255 but 0xffffffff and so on... Giuliano -- H U M P H || ||| software Java & C++ Server/Client/Human Interface applications on MacOS - MacOS X http://www.humph.com/ From dev at humph.com Fri Jun 1 16:18:54 2001 From: dev at humph.com (Giuliano Gavazzi) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:19 2005 Subject: setenv (was Re: Documentation) In-Reply-To: <200106012131.OAA24881@cluster1.sfsu.edu> References: <200106012131.OAA24881@cluster1.sfsu.edu> Message-ID: At 2:30 pm -0700 2001/06/01, Robert deMallac wrote: > >Exactly. But... >> >> setenv PAGER "less" >> >>...fixes all of this. > >setenv: command not found. > >I have the developer tools installed; did I miss something, or do I >need to compile setenv from source? > setenv is a builting is ch-like shells. On sh-like shells you can use export PAGER=/usr/bin/less BTW, it is a bad habit not to use the full path to a command. man is always of help. Giuliano -- H U M P H || ||| software Java & C++ Server/Client/Human Interface applications on MacOS - MacOS X http://www.humph.com/ From justin at mac.com Fri Jun 1 16:28:20 2001 From: justin at mac.com (Justin C. Walker) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:19 2005 Subject: Multihoming . . . In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200106012334.QAA14666@mail.nexsi.com> On Friday, June 1, 2001, at 04:10 PM, Giuliano Gavazzi wrote: > At 11:53 am -0700 2001/06/01, Justin C. Walker wrote: > [...] >> A word about netmask: if X.Y.Z.W is on the same subnet as an existing >> address assigned to 'en0', you should use 255.255.255.255; otherwise, >> use the "proper" netmask (i.e, the one that should go with the subnet >> you are trying to establish). >> >> Since this isn't really supported at the GUI level, this won't be >> persistent. To make it persistent, you will have to stick the >> 'ifconfig' line in a startup script somewhere. >> >> What do you mean by "I wasn't able to see the the different sub >> networks at the same time"? > > I guess he might have had problems if the extra addresses were not on > the same subnet as the primary interface address. In this case one must > add a route via 127.0.0.1 to the extra address. True, but you don't *need* to do it your way; see below. > Example: > > /sbin/ifconfig en0 inet 193.125.238.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 (primary > address) > /sbin/ifconfig en0 inet 193.125.238.2 netmask 255.255.255.255 alias (it > does not need a route added) > /sbin/ifconfig en0 inet 193.241.1.4 netmask 255.255.255.0 alias (not > same subnet, so it needs a route added) > > to add the route for the second alias: > > /sbin/route add -host 193.241.1.4 127.0.0.1 This is correct; generally, using the latter approach is adminstratively more complex, because (a) there are two steps to assign the address (ifconfig alias, route add); and (b) two steps to remove the address (ifconfig delete; and route delete). That's why I mentioned the simpler method: use a netmask of 255.255.255.255, and the system can handle it for you. Either method works, and are essentially the same in effect. > Needless to say I do not use 255.255.255.255 but 0xffffffff and so on... > De gustibus non disputandum est :-} Regards, Justin Justin C. Walker, Curmudgeon-At-Large * Institute for General Semantics | Director of Technology | Her profession's her religion Nexsi Corp. | Her sin is her lifelessness. 1959 Concourse Drive | San Jose, CA 95131 | *---------------------------------------*-------------------------------* From justin at mac.com Fri Jun 1 16:34:11 2001 From: justin at mac.com (Justin C. Walker) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:19 2005 Subject: setenv In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200106012339.QAA14710@mail.nexsi.com> On Friday, June 1, 2001, at 02:58 PM, Vicki Brown wrote: > setenv is a builtin for csh, tcsh, and bash > It is not present in sh, ksh or zsh. Not for bash, which is a sh/ksh derivative (spiritually). Regards, Justin Justin C. Walker, Curmudgeon-At-Large * Institute for General Semantics | Director of Technology | Men are from Earth Nexsi Corp. | Women are from Earth 1959 Concourse Drive | Deal with it. San Jose, CA 95131 | *-------------------------------------*-------------------------------* From james at veldt.com Fri Jun 1 16:51:51 2001 From: james at veldt.com (James Gorham) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:19 2005 Subject: 2nd Monitor/Voodoo Message-ID: <118126.991417899@[10.0.0.3]> My apologies if this has been covered before, but I did a number of searches through the archives and couldn't find an answer. I've used OS X on my G4 AGP with a VooDoo3 driving a second monitor for some time. There was no true support of course, but it was fine for parking an IRC window, or iTunes, etc. Occasionally, after a crash I'd not be able to boot with the second monitor attached. I could remedy the situation by booting back to OS 9 with the 2nd monitor attached, and then setting the correct resolution of the 2nd monitor, then boot back into OS X. However, after recently doing some hard drive swapping, I'm no longer able to do this. Booting in verbose mode, the computer will loop with the login window failing to connect, timbuktu failing to connect, and one other error, that scrolls by too fast to read. However, in verbose mode, it will go through the boot process, and get to the error messages above, but will the activate the 2nd monitor, and cycle through the errors on the 2nd monitor. If I boot in regular mode, it will activate the second monitor with the grey screen and color wheel, and that's as far as it will get. I've tried the usual zapping of the PRAM, and switching the PCI slots of the card. The setup works fine in OS 9 still. My guess is that I need to throw away any mention of this second monitor that OS X has, and then boot back into OS 9, and do the usual setup. I don't know where to begin looking for the various monitor settings however. Any help is greaty appreciated. James ---- - - [cooler than kilborn] From ort at bergersen.no Fri Jun 1 17:07:00 2001 From: ort at bergersen.no (ort) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:19 2005 Subject: Multihoming . . . In-Reply-To: <200106012334.QAA14666@mail.nexsi.com> Message-ID: <1220682082-90864011@bergersen.no> Hi! * Aren't one forced to make it a two step process if one add an new subnet with a different router address (one can only use a netmask of 255.255.255.255 when there is already added a route to the interface, or?)?!? * Does it matter if one use xxx.xxx.xxx.xx or 0xffffffff? * If one use the local address 10.0.1.1, what would one set as the router address if one do not use a router (0.0.0.0?)?!? Thanks! :) Best regards, Richard Taubo On Saturday, June 2, 2001, at 01:24 AM, Justin C. Walker wrote: > This is correct; generally, using the latter approach is > adminstratively more complex, because (a) there are two steps to assign > the address (ifconfig alias, route add); and (b) two steps to remove > the address (ifconfig delete; and route delete). That's why I > mentioned the simpler method: use a netmask of 255.255.255.255, and the > system can handle it for you. From justin at mac.com Fri Jun 1 18:40:13 2001 From: justin at mac.com (Justin C. Walker) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:19 2005 Subject: Multihoming . . . In-Reply-To: <1220682082-90864011@bergersen.no> Message-ID: <200106020145.SAA15987@mail.nexsi.com> On Friday, June 1, 2001, at 05:00 PM, ort wrote: > Hi! > > * Aren't one forced to make it a two step process if one add an new > subnet with a different router address (one can only use a netmask of > 255.255.255.255 when there is already added a route to the interface, > or?)?!? No; the system can figure out how to add the route to the 'new subnet', just as it does when you add the 'first subnet'. In short [in retrospect, 'long'], - if you add a "new subnet", you use the "real netmask" (i.e., the netmask that is given to you along with the address); - if you add another address that's on an existing subnet, you use 255.255.255.255. > * Does it matter if one use xxx.xxx.xxx.xx or 0xffffffff? This is just "notation", so the effect is the same. Of course, it depends on the command's ability to read and understand what you type :-}. 'ifconfig' should handle it with no problem. > * If one use the local address 10.0.1.1, what would one set as the > router address if one do not use a router (0.0.0.0?)?!? I'm not sure whether you're making a distinction based on "local" here. If you assign an address to an interface, you do not need to assign a router address. If you assign no router address, then you will not have much in the way of networking capability. The system, without help, will only know how to get to other addresses on directly attached networks. If you don't want or need a router, just don't assign an address for it (ROUTER=NONE in /etc/hostconfig). Regards, Justin Justin C. Walker, Curmudgeon-At-Large * Institute for General Semantics | Director of Technology | Her profession's her religion Nexsi Corp. | Her sin is her lifelessness. 1959 Concourse Drive | San Jose, CA 95131 | *---------------------------------------*-------------------------------* From lists at colorremedies.com Fri Jun 1 19:13:01 2001 From: lists at colorremedies.com (Chris Murphy) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:19 2005 Subject: Reasonable File Limit for Folders? Message-ID: <200106020212.TAA25174@harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net> Chuck Swiger" writes: >HFS+ uses B-trees; it should be happy handling any number of files per >directory, with nearly constant speed. It may be limited to 32K files per >directory (or was that HFS?) http://til.info.apple.com/techinfo.nsf/artnum/n24601 HFS+ maximum number of files or folders in another folder is 32,767. There is a smaller limit for the number of files/folders that can exist at the root level (it might be as little as 1000, I forget). Chris Murphy Color Remedies (tm) Boulder, CO 303-415-9932 From lists at colorremedies.com Fri Jun 1 19:18:18 2001 From: lists at colorremedies.com (Chris Murphy) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:19 2005 Subject: Finder copy makes Finder/Sherlock unusable Message-ID: <200106020217.TAA13636@albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net> >Once the copy started, the Finder became almost unusable even though CPU >monitor showed little activity (ie. never got over half way). I have the same experience with the OS X Finder and copying files over slower networks , even busy 10baseT networks. Finder is essentially unusable in these situations. >Sherlock was unusable - taking up to 10 minutes to change from the >internet to file search - again little CPU activity. I'm on a 340MHz G3 >running 10.0.3, 768Mb RAM and 20Gb Hard Disc. > >Other applications seemed unaffected. The Finder problem is "normal" in that everyone has the same problem. Why Sherlock is also affected at the same time while other applications are not affected is a curiousity. Perhaps the problem with the Finder has to do with Carbon networking, and since Sherlock is also a Carbon app, searching the internet is probably the issue. I find OS X's Sherlock extremely piss poor performance on the same network connection compared to OS 9 Sherlock (and I mean the overall responsiveness of the application, not so much the time searches take, although it is longer on OS X as well). Chris Murphy Color Remedies (tm) Boulder, CO 303-415-9932 From lists at colorremedies.com Fri Jun 1 19:23:24 2001 From: lists at colorremedies.com (Chris Murphy) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:19 2005 Subject: UFS where? Message-ID: <200106020222.TAA23657@falcon.mail.pas.earthlink.net> >I just added an 18GB drive to the server I'm building and I partitioned >it into 2 volumes: > >1. 8GB HFS+ volume named SystemHD > (No problems seeing this) > >2. 10GB UFS partition named Data > (I wanted to use this for MySQL tables) > >I've restarted just in case (doesn't it seem we are moving towards >Windows in this respect? Having to restart everytime something is >changed.) > >My problem is that I can't find "Data". I have had the same exact problem. When booting OS X from HFS+, UFS volumes do not automount. When booting OS X from UFS, UFS volumes do automount (even non-startup UFS volumes). I don't know why. But considering how slow UFS is compared to HFS+ at this time, I'm avoiding UFS. Chris Murphy Color Remedies (tm) Boulder, CO 303-415-9932 From jhn at mac.com Fri Jun 1 21:11:19 2001 From: jhn at mac.com (Jeff Nelson) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:19 2005 Subject: OS X ethernet options Message-ID: <200106020410.VAA03657@smtpout.mac.com> Back in the days of OS 9 and earlier we had the option of enforcing 802.3 compliance through the TCP/IP control panel via a check-box. There is no such option in OS X. This is a problem because in order to connect our Macs through our Linksys wireless routers we need to have this option enabled in OS 9 and it will work beautifully. In OS X we cannot get TCP/IP to work because of the lack of this option. Anyone have any ideas, fixes, or even know what I am talking about? Thanks. - Jeff Nelson From justin at mac.com Fri Jun 1 21:26:12 2001 From: justin at mac.com (Justin C. Walker) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:19 2005 Subject: OS X ethernet options In-Reply-To: <200106020410.VAA03657@smtpout.mac.com> Message-ID: <20010602042539.KMOL14869.femail4.sdc1.sfba.home.com@grinch> Yup; sad to say, I do know what you're talking about. It's hard for me to believe that any wireless routers *require* this behavior for IP traffic. I thought this went out of vogue with HP/UX (:=}). Can't you set a bit/clip a wire/plug a jumper somewhere to get it to play nice? In any case, there's no way to do this on Mac OS X, because the network infrastructure doesn't support IEEE 802.2 framing for IP packets. Regards, Justin On Friday, June 1, 2001, at 09:10 PM, Jeff Nelson wrote: > Back in the days of OS 9 and earlier we had the option of > enforcing 802.3 compliance through the TCP/IP control panel via a > check-box. > There is no such option in OS X. This is a problem because in > order to connect our Macs through our Linksys wireless routers we > need to have this option enabled in OS 9 and it will work > beautifully. In OS X we cannot get TCP/IP to work because of the > lack of this option. > Anyone have any ideas, fixes, or even know what I am talking > about? Thanks. > > - Jeff Nelson > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-admin mailing list > MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin --- Justin C. Walker, Curmudgeon-At-Large * Institute for General Semantics | Director of Technology | When LuteFisk is outlawed Nexsi Systems Corp. | Only outlaws will have 1959 Concourse Drive | LuteFisk San Jose, CA 95131 | *--------------------------------------*-------------------------------* From pepper at mail.reppep.com Fri Jun 1 21:40:53 2001 From: pepper at mail.reppep.com (Chris Pepper) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:19 2005 Subject: Finder copy makes Finder/Sherlock unusable In-Reply-To: <20010601004435.A20062@uiuc.edu> References: <200105221706.KAA24965@hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net> <1220749709-21968117@ns2.tcp.net.au> <20010601004435.A20062@uiuc.edu> Message-ID: At 12:44 AM -0500 2001/06/01, Nicholas Riley wrote: >On Fri, Jun 01, 2001 at 02:08:11PM +1000, Phil Blake wrote: >> I'm copying a large file to a remote machine on a slow network. It's >> 600Mb and the remote machine is through 128K ISDN so it takes hours. >> >> Once the copy started, the Finder became almost unusable even though CPU > > monitor showed little activity (ie. never got over half way). >The OS X versions of Finder and Sherlock are unusably slow for file >operations. Hope as the rest of us do that these problems are fixed >:-) > >Try using 'cp' from the command line to copy the file, unless it has a >resource fork, in which case you can try CpMac or stuff it first. Phil, I'm not sure if the suggestion above was clear to you -- you can mount your remote machine via AppleShare, then "cp sourcefile /Volumes/remotedisk/", which is much faster and non-blocking. Alternatively, if you have an rsh (insecure) or ssh server available on the other end, you can "scp sourcefile remotehost:/path", which is more demanding on the CPUs (since they have to encrypt at on end and decrypt at the other), but works with non-Macs. Chris Pepper -- Chris Pepper: Rockefeller U Computing Services: Mac OS X Software: From jdawson at mrk.com Sat Jun 2 06:13:52 2001 From: jdawson at mrk.com (Jerald Dawson) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:19 2005 Subject: OS X ethernet options In-Reply-To: <200106020410.VAA03657@smtpout.mac.com> Message-ID: <200106021313.GAA14283@omnigroup.com> hmm, thats very wierd. At work, I've set up a wireless hub for my networking (using a lucent RG-1000) and one day someone brought in a linksys wireless hub and set it up. To show them how cool the mac was and how easy it was to use "Standard, off the shelf" technology I just went to my airport dockling and selected the new hub and it worked. Is it possible there is something wrong with the hub? jerald dawson On Friday, June 1, 2001, at 11:10 PM, Jeff Nelson wrote: > Back in the days of OS 9 and earlier we had the option of > enforcing 802.3 compliance through the TCP/IP control panel via a > check-box. > There is no such option in OS X. This is a problem because in > order to connect our Macs through our Linksys wireless routers we need > to have this option enabled in OS 9 and it will work beautifully. In OS > X we cannot get TCP/IP to work because of the lack of this option. > Anyone have any ideas, fixes, or even know what I am talking > about? Thanks. > > - Jeff Nelson > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-admin mailing list > MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin > From sherlock at rna.nl Sat Jun 2 07:18:42 2001 From: sherlock at rna.nl (Sherlock Holmes) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:19 2005 Subject: E-mail address to report PDF bug in Mac OS X 10.0.3? Message-ID: <20010602140617.F1CBAA8AF@spike.rna.nl> I know there is a web site to report bugs, but for my bug I need to attach a small pdf file that contains pdf that triggers the bug. So my question: is there an e-mail address where I can send bug info to? Thanks, SH From scott_ribe at killerbytes.com Sat Jun 2 13:01:24 2001 From: scott_ribe at killerbytes.com (Scott Ribe) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:19 2005 Subject: Reasonable File Limit for Folders? In-Reply-To: <200106021701.KAA19865@falcon.mail.pas.earthlink.net> References: <200106021701.KAA19865@falcon.mail.pas.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20010602200114.16981@smtp.rmi.net> On Sat, Jun 2, 2001, Color Remedies wrote: >>Could you give me a pointer to documentation where I can get more info? > > >I included a URL in that posting. Otherwise, you need to go to >til.apple.com and type in what you're looking for in Apple's TIL. OK, going back and looking I see it now. I've been using PowerMail for a couple of years and never before noticed that it uses very similar colors of blue for quoted text and for URLs ;-) I realize also that I may have misunderstood what you meant. When you said: >There is a smaller limit for the number of files/folders that can exist >at the root level (it might be as little as 1000, I forget). Were you referring to the root level of a volume (makes more sense) or the top level of a folder (the way I originally took it)? Of course if I misunderstood what you meant there, then by extension I also misunderstood what you meant by the other sentence in your post ;-) That TIL article is not specific, but I am pretty sure that 32,767 refers to files and folders in the root level of a folder, not to total files nested within a folder. I found more info in technote 1150. I'm no HFS+ expert and only skimmed the technote, but I can see nothing in the data structures that limits the total files nested within a folder, and there is a clearly documented limit of 32,767 files directly in a folder. Even that is not an inherent limit in the HFS+ volume structure, but is a limit of higher-level Mac OS APIs that will do evil things if asked to work with a directory with more than 32,767 direct children. Go to: This tech note has a load of information, to quickly see what I'm referring to, click the "Catalog File" link, scroll down to the "Catalog Folder Records" section, note that valence is of type UInt32, and scroll down to its definition: >valence >The number of files and folders directly contained by this folder. This >is equal to the number of file and folder records whose key's parentID is >equal to this folder's folderID. > >IMPORTANT: >The current Mac OS File Manager programming interfaces require folders to >have a valence less than 32,767. An implementation must enforce this >restriction if it wants the volume to be usable by Mac OS. Values of >32,768 and larger are problematic; 32,767 and smaller are OK. It's an >implementation restriction for the older Mac OS APIs; items 32,768 and >beyond would be unreachable by PBGetCatInfo. As a practical matter, many >programs are likely to fails with anywhere near that many items in a >single folder. So, the volume format allows more than 32,767 items in a >folder, but it's probably not a good idea to exceed that limit right now. > Finally, this happened long enough ago that it may not be relevant anymore, but I did once wind up with a folder with a couple of thousand items in it and tried to open it in the Finder, and boy did I ever regret that! Scott Ribe scott_ribe@killerbytes.com http://www.killerbytes.com/ (303) 665-7007 voice From lists at colorremedies.com Sat Jun 2 13:15:26 2001 From: lists at colorremedies.com (Chris Murphy) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:19 2005 Subject: Reasonable File Limit for Folders? Message-ID: <200106022015.NAA02620@harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net> >Were you referring to the root level of a volume (makes more sense) or >the top level of a folder (the way I originally took it)? Root level of a volume. >That TIL article is not specific, but I am pretty sure that 32,767 refers >to files and folders in the root level of a folder, not to total files >nested within a folder. It is specific and says total files and folders within a folder. >Go to: > > This implies the 32,767 file/folder in a folder limit is an operating system limit, not an HFS+ limitation. So it's possible that HFS+ itself has no limitation (other than the maximum number of files possible for a volume which is something like 2 billion). What this means in regards to OS X is unclear then. Since Mac OS 9 and earlier had an operating system imposed limitation (versus a file system imposed limitation) then it's very possible OS X also has an operating system imposed limitation. So in other words, I don't know what the answer is. Chris Murphy Color Remedies (tm) Boulder, CO 303-415-9932 From scott_ribe at killerbytes.com Sat Jun 2 16:00:21 2001 From: scott_ribe at killerbytes.com (Scott Ribe) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:19 2005 Subject: Reasonable File Limit for Folders? Message-ID: <20010602230012.6076@smtp.rmi.net> On Sat, Jun 2, 2001, Chris Murphy wrote: > >>Were you referring to the root level of a volume (makes more sense) or >>the top level of a folder (the way I originally took it)? > >Root level of a volume. OK, that's much more in line with what I think I might know about HFS+ ;-) >>That TIL article is not specific, but I am pretty sure that 32,767 refers >>to files and folders in the root level of a folder, not to total files >>nested within a folder. > >It is specific and says total files and folders within a folder. It doesn't say "total" anywhere. It says "Maximum number of files/folders in a folder" which is vague and does not specify directly within or including all levels. >This implies the 32,767 file/folder in a folder limit is an operating >system limit, not an HFS+ limitation. So it's possible that HFS+ itself >has no limitation (other than the maximum number of files possible for a >volume which is something like 2 billion). > >What this means in regards to OS X is unclear then. Since Mac OS 9 and >earlier had an operating system imposed limitation (versus a file system >imposed limitation) then it's very possible OS X also has an operating >system imposed limitation. > >So in other words, I don't know what the answer is. Well, who's gonna try it out? Got a Mac OS X system laying around you're willing to risk corrupting? ;-) Actually, when I get a little time I will try putting more than 32,767 files in a hierarchy within a folder. But I'm not sure I want to try putting more than 1,000 files directly within a folder. I'll think about it. Maybe if I don't open the folder in the finder... Scott Ribe scott_ribe@killerbytes.com http://www.killerbytes.com/ (303) 665-7007 voice From lists at colorremedies.com Sat Jun 2 16:17:46 2001 From: lists at colorremedies.com (Chris Murphy) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:19 2005 Subject: Reasonable File Limit for Folders? Message-ID: <200106022316.QAA23639@hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net> >It doesn't say "total" anywhere. It says "Maximum number of files/folders >in a >folder" which is vague and does not specify directly within or including >all levels. It's not vague, you're just not comprehending what's it's saying. Maximum number of files/folders in a folder means just that. The number is 32,767. That means that the maximum number of files or folders that can be contained inside of another folder is 32,767. Given what you found at the developer site, the following article is improperly titled. http://til.info.apple.com/techinfo.nsf/artnum/n24601 The title implies that the information in the article is in regards to HFS+, not the operating system itself. Interestingly enough, it is marked as having been modified yesterday (June 1, 2001). >Well, who's gonna try it out? Not I. Let us know how it goes. Chris Murphy Color Remedies (tm) Boulder, CO 303-415-9932 From dluke at geeklair.net Sat Jun 2 16:21:30 2001 From: dluke at geeklair.net (Daniel J. Luke) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:19 2005 Subject: Reasonable File Limit for Folders? In-Reply-To: <20010602230012.6076@smtp.rmi.net>; from scott_ribe@killerbytes.com on Sat, Jun 02, 2001 at 05:00:12PM -0600 References: <20010602230012.6076@smtp.rmi.net> Message-ID: <20010602192116.E4815@geeklair.net> On Sat, Jun 02, 2001 at 05:00:12PM -0600, Scott Ribe wrote: > Well, who's gonna try it out? Got a Mac OS X system laying around you're > willing to risk corrupting? ;-) [gandalf:~] dluke% uname -a Darwin gandalf.geeklair.net 1.3.3 Darwin Kernel Version 1.3.3: Fri May 4 13:46:54 PDT 2001; root:xnu/xnu-124.8.obj~1/RELEASE_PPC Power Macintosh powerpc [gandalf:~] dluke% cat perlcrap.pl #!/usr/local/bin/perl for( $i=1; $i<=32768; $i++ ) { if( $i % 100 == 0 || $i > 32700 ) { print "$i\n"; } `touch /Users/dluke/crap/$i`; } [gandalf:~] dluke% ls crap/ | wc -l 32768 :-) I'm not about to have the finder try and look at this directory -- but I haven't noticed any problems. -- Daniel J. Luke +========================================================+ | *---------------- dluke@geeklair.net ----------------* | | *-------------- http://www.geeklair.net -------------* | +========================================================+ | Opinions expressed are mine and do not necessarily | | reflect the opinions of my employer. | +========================================================+ From scott_ribe at killerbytes.com Sat Jun 2 18:52:06 2001 From: scott_ribe at killerbytes.com (Scott Ribe) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:19 2005 Subject: Reasonable File Limit for Folders? In-Reply-To: <200106022316.QAA23639@hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net> References: <200106022316.QAA23639@hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20010603015200.15006@smtp.rmi.net> On Sat, Jun 2, 2001, Chris Murphy wrote: >It's not vague, you're just not comprehending what's it's saying. Maximum >number of files/folders in a folder means just that. The number is >32,767. That means that the maximum number of files or folders that can >be contained inside of another folder is 32,767. No, you're reading into it more than it says. In this context "in" is ambiguous; it could mean "directly in" or "anywhere within". That's true regardless, but you also should note that the TIL in question is a very non-technical lightweight thing aimed at end users. BTW, I just remembered that in Mac OS the desktop is simply a hidden folder which the Finder treats specially (mount a Mac disk via AppleShare and it shows up at the root of the volume just like any other folder), and guess what? Mine contains over 71,000 items. I am only counting 1 Desktop folder on 1 volume, and not counting the volume itself. These files are all "in" 1 folder by your definition of "in". This is in Mac OS 9.0.4 and I've been using approximately the same disk layout since 8.5, although of course the number of files has grown over time. Scott Ribe scott_ribe@killerbytes.com http://www.killerbytes.com/ (303) 665-7007 voice From dev at humph.com Sat Jun 2 18:54:46 2001 From: dev at humph.com (Giuliano Gavazzi (dev)) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:19 2005 Subject: Multihoming . . . In-Reply-To: <200106020145.SAA15987@mail.nexsi.com> References: <200106020145.SAA15987@mail.nexsi.com> Message-ID: At 6:36 PM -0700 2001/06/01, Justin C. Walker wrote: >On Friday, June 1, 2001, at 05:00 PM, ort wrote: > >>Hi! >> >>* Aren't one forced to make it a two step process if one add an new >>subnet with a different router address (one can only use a netmask >>of 255.255.255.255 when there is already added a route to the >>interface, or?)?!? > >No; the system can figure out how to add the route to the 'new >subnet', just as it does when you add the 'first subnet'. In short >[in retrospect, 'long'], > - if you add a "new subnet", you use the "real netmask" > (i.e., the netmask that is given to you along with the > address); > - if you add another address that's on an existing subnet, > you use 255.255.255.255. Ah, so you in the end agree with my previous posting... Only that I am not sure that you will not need to add the route to the address in the new subnet as I depicted in my email. I had a reply where I argued this but it is buried in my iBook (that garbage of an AC adaptor, started making sparks at the computer plug end, I hope is not the same for the G4) and I only now managed to do a reverse tunnel to overcome my local cable provider incompetence... (one way TCP, perhaps some broken firewall in the way). Giuliano -- H U M P H || ||| software development of: Java & C++ Server/Client/Human Interface applications on MacOS - MacOS X http://www.humph.com/ From lists at colorremedies.com Sat Jun 2 19:04:49 2001 From: lists at colorremedies.com (Chris Murphy) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:19 2005 Subject: Reasonable File Limit for Folders? Message-ID: <200106030204.TAA28815@scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net> >No, you're reading into it more than it says. In this context "in" is >ambiguous; it could mean "directly in" or "anywhere within". That's true >regardless, but you also should note that the TIL in question is a very >non-technical lightweight thing aimed at end users. You've gone off the deep end. I'm reading it literally. You're the one reading more into it than it says. If you read it literally, there is no way you can interpret it to be a cumulative limitation. Second of all, I've got 43,000 items on a single volume separately contained in 10 folders. So I just created one folder and put all 10 into that one folder with no consequences. So obviously it's not a cumulative limitation. The way the TIL reads is exactly the way it is - you cannot have more than 32,727 files and/or folders inside of a folder. Heirarchy doesn't count. And there is no cumulative counting. >BTW, I just remembered that in Mac OS the desktop is simply a hidden >folder which the Finder treats specially (mount a Mac disk via AppleShare >and it shows up at the root of the volume just like any other folder), >and guess what? Mine contains over 71,000 items. You have 71,000 items on your desktop? Are you running OS X or 9? The limitation in the TIL appears to be OS specific, not HFS+ specific. >I am only counting 1 Desktop folder on 1 volume, and not counting the >volume itself. These files are all "in" 1 folder by your definition of >"in". No Scott - your definition is one of cumulative counting of all possible files and folder in a directory hierarchy. The is not my definition and is not the TILs definition. They are referering to non-cumulative counting of items in a folder - i.e. how many files and folders do you see in a folder without looking into sub-folders. Each folder has it's own 32,727 item limit. And again it appears to be an OS limit - not an HFS+ one. Chris Murphy Color Remedies (tm) Boulder, CO 303-415-9932 From scott_ribe at killerbytes.com Sat Jun 2 19:33:38 2001 From: scott_ribe at killerbytes.com (Scott Ribe) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:19 2005 Subject: Reasonable File Limit for Folders? In-Reply-To: <200106030204.TAA28815@scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net> References: <200106030204.TAA28815@scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20010603023328.27924@smtp.rmi.net> On Sat, Jun 2, 2001, Chris Murphy wrote: >You've gone off the deep end. I'm reading it literally. You're the one >reading more into it than it says. If you read it literally, there is no >way you can interpret it to be a cumulative limitation. Whoah! Hold up a minute and review our earlier discussion: Me: >>That TIL article is not specific, but I am pretty sure that 32,767 refers >>to files and folders in the root level of a folder, not to total files >>nested within a folder. You: >It is specific and says total files and folders within a folder. I have always been saying that the limit was not what you're calling "cumulative" but was the limit at the "root level of a folder". I do not think I could possibly have been more specific about that. I thought you were saying that the limit was "cumulative"; if you weren't then your focus on the word "total" was certainly ambiguous at best. Either you have been agreeing with me, albeit in a quite strange manner, or you've just changed your position 180 degrees. At any rate, there is no way a reasonable person could read my last post as claiming that. After all it's whole point was that I have more than 32,767 items "total" or "cumulative" within 1 folder and I just don't see how you can turn my point completely around like that. >You have 71,000 items on your desktop? Of course not. I have folders on my desktop, such as "CodeWarrior" and "MCL" and so on that contain many thousands of items. >Are you running OS X or 9? The >limitation in the TIL appears to be OS specific, not HFS+ specific. I told you what OS I'm running, 9.0.4. Apparently you haven't been reading my messages with much care. I do not like your increasingly condescending tone. Your messages have displayed a rapidly decreasing lack of professionalism and respect. The point is proven, and I'm going to exit this discussion now. Scott Ribe scott_ribe@killerbytes.com http://www.killerbytes.com/ (303) 665-7007 voice From lists at colorremedies.com Sat Jun 2 20:08:52 2001 From: lists at colorremedies.com (Chris Murphy) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:19 2005 Subject: Reasonable File Limit for Folders? Message-ID: <200106030308.UAA16466@avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net> Scott Ribe writes: >You: > >>It is specific and says total files and folders within a folder. Yes - within a folder - not the hierarchy. I'll admit this is not clear. > >I have always been saying that the limit was not what you're calling >"cumulative" but was the limit at the "root level of a folder". I do not >think I could possibly have been more specific about that. What other level is there to a folder? There is no other level. It's either in the folder or it's not in the folder. I've never heard of anyone refer to the root level of a folder. I've heard of root level of a volume, but not a folder. >Either you >have been agreeing with me, albeit in a quite strange manner, or you've >just changed your position 180 degrees. OK, you get marks against you for calling the TIL vague, which I don't. And I get marks against for questionable use of the word "total." >>Are you running OS X or 9? The >>limitation in the TIL appears to be OS specific, not HFS+ specific. > >I told you what OS I'm running, 9.0.4. Apparently you haven't been >reading my messages with much care. No I'm just being lazy and not going back through my email to clean it up. You did say you were using 9.04 at the end of your email, by which time I'd already asked the question. >I do not like your increasingly condescending tone. Your messages have >displayed a rapidly decreasing lack of professionalism and respect. It's called an increasingly incredulous and confused tone because what I thought you were saying was making no sense. My error. If you prefer to believe it's condescending, that's your choice, but I can assure you that's not what was going on in my head. Chris Murphy Color Remedies (tm) Boulder, CO 303-415-9932 From justin at mac.com Sat Jun 2 21:08:04 2001 From: justin at mac.com (Justin C. Walker) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:19 2005 Subject: Multihoming . . . In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200106030413.VAA23700@mail.nexsi.com> On Saturday, June 2, 2001, at 06:54 PM, Giuliano Gavazzi (dev) wrote: > At 6:36 PM -0700 2001/06/01, Justin C. Walker wrote: >> On Friday, June 1, 2001, at 05:00 PM, ort wrote: >> >>> Hi! >>> >>> * Aren't one forced to make it a two step process if one add an new >>> subnet with a different router address (one can only use a netmask of >>> 255.255.255.255 when there is already added a route to the interface, >>> or?)?!? >> >> No; the system can figure out how to add the route to the 'new >> subnet', just as it does when you add the 'first subnet'. In short >> [in retrospect, 'long'], >> - if you add a "new subnet", you use the "real netmask" >> (i.e., the netmask that is given to you along with the >> address); >> - if you add another address that's on an existing subnet, >> you use 255.255.255.255. > > Ah, so you in the end agree with my previous posting... Only that I am > not sure that you will not need to add the route to the address in the > new subnet as I depicted in my email. I'm not sure, on rereading your example above, that I really understand it. Can you give a specific example of this? What I've been focused on is the mechanics of assigning addresses to an interface in such a way that the system knows how to reach the subnet. I'm not clear on how additional routers play into this. Regards, Justin Justin C. Walker, Curmudgeon-At-Large * Institute for General Semantics | Director of Technology | It's not whether you win Nexsi Corp. | or lose... 1959 Concourse Drive | It's whether *I* win or lose. San Jose, CA 95131 | *---------------------------------------*-------------------------------* From djw_lists at pacbell.net Sat Jun 2 21:15:07 2001 From: djw_lists at pacbell.net (Dan Wood) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:20 2005 Subject: What is the "AppleInternal" directory? Message-ID: <0GEC0021T6GKGP@mta7.pltn13.pbi.net> I just noticed a strange directory at the root level of my hard disk called "AppleInternal" got created, containing the single item down this path: /AppleInternal/Developer/Tools/ClassOptimizer.jar (Yes, I have developer tools installed; they tend to live in /Developer ....) Has this file been there all along? What is the purpose of the AppleInternal directory? (I find a few mentions of it by searching the archives of this mailing list, or via google, but nothing that refers to this file...) Just curious.... -- Dan Wood dwood@karelia.com http://www.karelia.com/ http://www.bikealameda.org/ Mac OS X Developer: Online Resume: http://www.karelia.com/resume.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/enriched Size: 777 bytes Desc: not available Url : /mailman/archive/macosx-admin/attachments/20010602/10cb5619/attachment.bin From sanguish at digifix.com Sat Jun 2 21:26:31 2001 From: sanguish at digifix.com (Scott Anguish) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:20 2005 Subject: What is the "AppleInternal" directory? In-Reply-To: <0GEC0021T6GKGP@mta7.pltn13.pbi.net> Message-ID: On Sunday, June 3, 2001, at 12:14 AM, Dan Wood wrote: > I just noticed a strange directory at the root level of my hard disk > called "AppleInternal" got created, containing the single item down > this path: > > /AppleInternal/Developer/Tools/ClassOptimizer.jar > > (Yes, I have developer tools installed; they tend to live in > /Developer ....) > > Has this file been there all along? What is the purpose of the > AppleInternal directory? (I find a few mentions of it by searching the > archives of this mailing list, or via google, but nothing that refers > to this file...) > It appears to be more WebObjects 5 droppings. For your own sake, don't install the WWDC WOF 5 on top of 4.5.1 From Albert-Lunde at northwestern.edu Sat Jun 2 21:27:55 2001 From: Albert-Lunde at northwestern.edu (Albert Lunde) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:20 2005 Subject: Multihoming . . . In-Reply-To: <200106030413.VAA23700@mail.nexsi.com>; from "Justin C. Walker" at Jun 2, 2001 9:03 pm Message-ID: <200106030427.XAA09360@nuinfo.northwestern.edu> > What I've been focused on is the mechanics of assigning addresses to an > interface in such a way that the system knows how to reach the subnet. > I'm not clear on how additional routers play into this. It also seems to me, that most of the time, when doing IP-based virtual hosting, there is no reason to use IP addresses on a different subnet than the primary IP address. The same-subnet case seems simpler, and doesn't involve any extra routes. -- Albert Lunde Albert-Lunde@northwestern.edu (new address) Albert-Lunde@nwu.edu (old address) From justin at mac.com Sat Jun 2 21:54:44 2001 From: justin at mac.com (Justin C. Walker) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:20 2005 Subject: Multihoming . . . In-Reply-To: <200106030427.XAA09360@nuinfo.northwestern.edu> Message-ID: <20010603045436.MDUX19.femail2.sdc1.sfba.home.com@grinch> On Saturday, June 2, 2001, at 09:27 PM, Albert Lunde wrote: >> What I've been focused on is the mechanics of assigning addresses >> to an >> interface in such a way that the system knows how to reach the subnet. >> I'm not clear on how additional routers play into this. > > It also seems to me, that most of the time, when doing IP-based > virtual hosting, there is no reason to use IP addresses on a different > subnet than the primary IP address. The same-subnet case seems > simpler, and doesn't involve any extra routes. I haven't dealt with this enough at the app level to be sure, but I believe you're correct that it's sufficient (at least for most of the systems we're discussing). However, for most setups I'm aware of, regardless of the application, there is no difference in simplicity between using 'same subnet' and 'different subnet' addresses. About the only situation I can conceive of where you'd need real routes (rather than the 'directly connected subnet' scheme the system handles automatically) is where you have two subnets on a given cable/interface, say, 10.2.3.0/24, and 192.168.3/24; and you want to route 10/8 towards an internal-only router, and route everything else to a NAT/router connected to the internet. In that case, you'd have to explicitly add a route for the 10.0.0.0/8 case, rather than rely on the system-provided route (which would only forward 10.2.3.0/24 to the local cable). In any case, this discussion seems to have run its course. To bring it back to the original issue: yes, Mac OS X supports multihoming (in the usual sense of the word) as well as IP aliasing (multiple addresses on the same interface; called alias addresses). The aliases do not have to be on the same subnet, which had been the case with Mac OS 9, at least the last time I looked. There's no GUI support for this, but you can use startup scripts, or programs [e.g., Apache] to handle it. Regards, Justin --- Justin C. Walker, Curmudgeon-At-Large * Institute for General Semantics | Director of Technology | It's not whether you win or lose... Nexsi Systems Corp. | It's whether *I* win or lose. 1959 Concourse Drive | San Jose, CA 95131 | *--------------------------------------*-------------------------------* From nibs at mac.com Sat Jun 2 22:02:55 2001 From: nibs at mac.com (marquis logan) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:20 2005 Subject: What is the "AppleInternal" directory? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200106030502.WAA21715@smtpout.mac.com> On Sunday, June 3, 2001, at 12:25 AM, Scott Anguish wrote: > It appears to be more WebObjects 5 droppings. > > For your own sake, don't install the WWDC WOF 5 on top of 4.5.1 > actually, i believe it comes from the java preview. someone (on the java dev lists) said it was safe to delete it. i just moved it to developer tools. nibs From drosih at rpi.edu Sat Jun 2 22:40:19 2001 From: drosih at rpi.edu (Garance A Drosihn) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:20 2005 Subject: HFS+ or UFS? In-Reply-To: <20010530080702.C9103AC08@spike.rna.nl> References: <20010530080702.C9103AC08@spike.rna.nl> Message-ID: At 10:06 AM +0200 5/30/01, Sherlock Holmes wrote: >But the lack of backup facility (other than copying to a fw disk >once in a while) worries me. As does the lack of case sensitiveness >for the unix stuff I run. > >So: how good is UFS as a filesystem for Mac OS X? Should I switch? You want the main system installation to be on HFS+, not only for MacOS 9.1, but for any carbon apps that you run. Also, you'll find that "most things just work better". On the other hand, it you ARE doing some unix stuff, you might find it convenient to have a UFS partition around. So, if you ARE up for reformatting your hard drive, I'd suggest a large HFS+ partition, and a smaller UFS partition. -- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.acs.rpi.edu Senior Systems Programmer or gad@freebsd.org Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute or drosih@rpi.edu From scott_ribe at killerbytes.com Sat Jun 2 23:11:34 2001 From: scott_ribe at killerbytes.com (Scott Ribe) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:20 2005 Subject: Reasonable File Limit for Folders? In-Reply-To: <200106030308.UAA16466@avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net> References: <200106030308.UAA16466@avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20010603061126.22518@smtp.rmi.net> On Sat, Jun 2, 2001, Chris Murphy wrote: >What other level is there to a folder? There is no other level. It's >either in the folder or it's not in the folder. I've never heard of >anyone refer to the root level of a folder. I've heard of root level of a >volume, but not a folder. Well, that's where we went all wrong. I *thought* you were referring to all the files located in the hierarchy that descend from a folder as being "in" that folder. (After all, they are "contained" by it in an indirect sense.) And I was trying to point out that the word "in", particularly from an end-user viewpoint, could also mean, well, exactly what you were trying to claim it meant. We sure generated a lot of heat for 2 people who were trying to communicate the same idea ;-) Scott Ribe scott_ribe@killerbytes.com http://www.killerbytes.com/ (303) 665-7007 voice From scott_ribe at killerbytes.com Sat Jun 2 23:16:38 2001 From: scott_ribe at killerbytes.com (Scott Ribe) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:20 2005 Subject: HFS+ or UFS? Message-ID: <20010603061634.8535@smtp.rmi.net> On Sun, Jun 3, 2001, Garance A Drosihn wrote: >On the other hand, it you ARE doing some unix stuff, you might >find it convenient to have a UFS partition around. So, if you >ARE up for reformatting your hard drive, I'd suggest a large >HFS+ partition, and a smaller UFS partition. I know that some UNIX software distributions depend on case-sensitivity. But so far I've grabbed Apache, PHP, and Postgres with no problem. So how common is this practice? Is it generally accepted, or a little odd. Also, are there other gotchas like this where HFS+ does not do something the way some UNIX software might expect? Scott Ribe scott_ribe@killerbytes.com http://www.killerbytes.com/ (303) 665-7007 voice From sanguish at digifix.com Sat Jun 2 23:37:39 2001 From: sanguish at digifix.com (Scott Anguish) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:20 2005 Subject: HFS+ or UFS? In-Reply-To: <20010603061634.8535@smtp.rmi.net> Message-ID: On Sunday, June 3, 2001, at 02:16 AM, Scott Ribe wrote: > On Sun, Jun 3, 2001, Garance A Drosihn wrote: > >> On the other hand, it you ARE doing some unix stuff, you might >> find it convenient to have a UFS partition around. So, if you >> ARE up for reformatting your hard drive, I'd suggest a large >> HFS+ partition, and a smaller UFS partition. > > I know that some UNIX software distributions depend on case-sensitivity. > But so far I've grabbed Apache, PHP, and Postgres with no problem. So > how > common is this practice? Is it generally accepted, or a little odd. > Well, up until 4.0.5 PHP was vulnerable to this.. It's something that was never an issue, so I think it happens just because it was never an issue with anyone. From david at idiomatrix.com Sun Jun 3 08:09:46 2001 From: david at idiomatrix.com (David Herren) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:20 2005 Subject: linksys 802.3 wireless, was OS X ethernet options In-Reply-To: <200106021918.MAA26902@lists.omnigroup.com> Message-ID: I would suggest that the Linksys wireless stuff is not exactly "standard" even if it is "off the shelf." On Saturday, June 2, 2001, at 03:18 PM, macosx-admin-request@omnigroup.com wrote: > hmm, thats very wierd. At work, I've set up a wireless hub for my > networking (using a lucent RG-1000) and one day someone brought in a > linksys wireless hub and set it up. To show them how cool the mac was > and how easy it was to use "Standard, off the shelf" technology I just > went to my airport dockling and selected the new hub and it worked. Is > it possible there is something wrong with the hub? /david -- david herren, shoreham, vt The only product Microsoft will ever make that doesn't suck... ...will be a vacuum cleaner... From nibs at mac.com Sun Jun 3 08:43:30 2001 From: nibs at mac.com (marquis logan) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:20 2005 Subject: HFS+ or UFS? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200106031543.IAA16954@smtpout.mac.com> On Sunday, June 3, 2001, at 02:36 AM, Scott Anguish wrote: > On Sunday, June 3, 2001, at 02:16 AM, Scott Ribe wrote: > >> On Sun, Jun 3, 2001, Garance A Drosihn wrote: >> >>> On the other hand, it you ARE doing some unix stuff, you might >>> find it convenient to have a UFS partition around. So, if you >>> ARE up for reformatting your hard drive, I'd suggest a large >>> HFS+ partition, and a smaller UFS partition. >> >> I know that some UNIX software distributions depend on >> case-sensitivity. >> But so far I've grabbed Apache, PHP, and Postgres with no problem. So >> how >> common is this practice? Is it generally accepted, or a little odd. >> > > Well, up until 4.0.5 PHP was vulnerable to this.. > > It's something that was never an issue, so I think it happens just > because it was never an issue with anyone. qmail creates an install script that blows away the INSTALL file during the build. anybody building qmail might want to rename that file first. ofcourse, losing the INSTALL guide is nothing like losing the pear directory... From sherlock at rna.nl Sun Jun 3 08:48:44 2001 From: sherlock at rna.nl (Sherlock Holmes) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:20 2005 Subject: Bad Sectors Message-ID: <20010603153730.E5851A8A9@spike.rna.nl> Hello, I suspect that my disk has some bad sectors. Strange noises sometimes when information is accessed. Anyway, can I detect these in some way and then tell the system not to use them anymore? If so, how? Thanks, SH From finlay.dobbie at btinternet.com Sun Jun 3 08:53:07 2001 From: finlay.dobbie at btinternet.com (Finlay Dobbie) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:20 2005 Subject: HFS+ or UFS? In-Reply-To: <200106031543.IAA16954@smtpout.mac.com> Message-ID: On Sunday, June 3, 2001, at 04:43 pm, marquis logan wrote: > qmail creates an install script that blows away the INSTALL file during > the build. anybody building qmail might want to rename that file > first. ofcourse, losing the INSTALL guide is nothing like losing the > pear directory... when WindowMaker decompresses, it loses INSTALL to the Install script, so you don't get any installation guide at all :-) Python is also affected by it, it tries to build the executable python in a dir with another item called Python, and therefore goes kaboom. You can fix this by adding --with-exec-suffix=x or similar to the configure commands, and then running pythonx (or ln -s pythonx python, of course) also, you can't build cvs from apple's darwin things. CVS uses a dir called CVS for cvs information, so this causes conflicts. -- Finlay From rob at prometheusmedia.com Sun Jun 3 13:46:24 2001 From: rob at prometheusmedia.com (Robert Brandtjen) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:20 2005 Subject: Reasonable File Limit for Folders? In-Reply-To: <20010602230012.6076@smtp.rmi.net> Message-ID: on 6/2/01 6:00 PM, Scott Ribe at scott_ribe@killerbytes.com wrote: > Well, who's gonna try it out? Got a Mac OS X system laying around you're > willing to risk corrupting? ;-) Actually, when I get a little time I will > try putting more than 32,767 files in a hierarchy within a folder. But > I'm not sure I want to try putting more than 1,000 files directly within > a folder. I'll think about it. Maybe if I don't open the folder in the > finder... But isn't the root drive considered a "folder" in itself? And wouldn?t those limits pertain to that folder ? This discussion came up on WebTen (OS9 related, however) sometime back. If I remember right, that total limit applied to the root of the drive - under OS 9 of course. Which was a potential problem for very "deep" sites or old old cgi driven forums like UBB - which was a problem I ran into with UBB and WebTen - there were literally pages dropping off because I had exceeded the file limit. Robert Brandtjen -------------------------------------- Web Site Creation and Hosting Services Hostmaster@prometheusmedia.com www.prometheusmedia.com From scott_ribe at killerbytes.com Sun Jun 3 14:02:03 2001 From: scott_ribe at killerbytes.com (Scott Ribe) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:20 2005 Subject: Reasonable File Limit for Folders? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20010603210158.16811@smtp.rmi.net> On Sun, Jun 3, 2001, Robert Brandtjen wrote: >But isn't the root drive considered a "folder" in itself? I can't say. I couldn't answer that question with a quick scan of TN1150. If you have more time: Chris Murphy has indicated that the root level of a volume is special and has its own lower limit. >This discussion came up on WebTen (OS9 >related, however) sometime back. If I remember right, that total limit >applied to the root of the drive - under OS 9 of course. Which was a >potential problem for very "deep" sites or old old cgi driven forums like >UBB - which was a problem I ran into with UBB and WebTen - there were >literally pages dropping off because I had exceeded the file limit. I don't understand that, since the limit applies to items at one level, not to the total contained under a hierarchy. If the discussion was sometime back, was it possible that this pertained to HFS instead of HFS+? Under HFS you had a limit of 64k allocation blocks, which translated to a an absolute theoretical maximum of 64k files, and usually much less. (You could get 64k single-fork files of exactly one allocation unit each if your disk size was an even multiple of 512*64k--in other words, never.) Scott Ribe scott_ribe@killerbytes.com http://www.killerbytes.com/ (303) 665-7007 voice From scott_ribe at killerbytes.com Sun Jun 3 14:02:47 2001 From: scott_ribe at killerbytes.com (Scott Ribe) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:20 2005 Subject: Reasonable File Limit for Folders? Message-ID: <20010603210241.2430@smtp.rmi.net> On Sun, Jun 3, 2001, Color Remedies wrote: >What would be really interesting is if the OS X Finder is more permissive >than the OS 9 Finder. :) If that's the case you could have a bunch of >files in a folder and see them all in OS X, but when you reboot into OS >9, you'd be hosed for some of those files. Actually you might be hosed >for the whole directory depending on how the OS 9 Finder is coded. It >might just choke on the entire folder instead of just diplaying what it >can. In my experience, it seems that Finder in Mac OS has some n^2 or worse behavior. So as the number of files increases, it gets sluggish, and then very quickly becomes so slow as to become unusable. I have had a folder at the point where it would take 10 minutes, but would open. I don't remember what version or how many files; I do remember that it was an accident ;-) I would hope that the OS X Finder would be better, but I don't expect much right now because the current version does seem kind of "unoptimized" to say the least. >You could get a few small files, type command-A to select them all then >command-D to duplicate them. Keep on doing that. Eventually you'll get to >a point where you can rapidly increase the number of files in a folder to >well over 10000. It's just three more duplicates to get it over 30,000 >files. There may be a faster way to do this in the command line, I don't >know. But I would be interested in knowing if OS X's Finder will handle >more than 32,767 files in a folder, and then what happens if you reboot >into OS 9.1 and try to look in that same folder. I'll give it a try sometime soon. But I can only tell you about OS X and OS 9.0.4, on different computers. I'm not actually running 9.1 anywhere-- I have some kind of software conflict that probably wouldn't take too long to figure out, but I haven't had the time. I needed a stable system ;-) Scott Ribe scott_ribe@killerbytes.com http://www.killerbytes.com/ (303) 665-7007 voice From dev at humph.com Sun Jun 3 18:17:22 2001 From: dev at humph.com (Giuliano Gavazzi (dev)) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:20 2005 Subject: Multihoming . . . In-Reply-To: <200106030413.VAA23700@mail.nexsi.com> References: <200106030413.VAA23700@mail.nexsi.com> Message-ID: At 9:03 PM -0700 2001/06/02, Justin C. Walker wrote: >On Saturday, June 2, 2001, at 06:54 PM, Giuliano Gavazzi (dev) wrote: > >>At 6:36 PM -0700 2001/06/01, Justin C. Walker wrote: >>>On Friday, June 1, 2001, at 05:00 PM, ort wrote: >>>>* Aren't one forced to make it a two step process if one add an >>>>new subnet with a different router address (one can only use a >>>>netmask of 255.255.255.255 when there is already added a route to >>>>the interface, or?)?!? >>> >>>No; the system can figure out how to add the route to the 'new >>>subnet', just as it does when you add the 'first subnet'. In >>>short [in retrospect, 'long'], >>> - if you add a "new subnet", you use the "real netmask" >>> (i.e., the netmask that is given to you along with the >>> address); >>> - if you add another address that's on an existing subnet, >>> you use 255.255.255.255. >> >>Ah, so you in the end agree with my previous posting... Only that I >>am not sure that you will not need to add the route to the address >>in the new subnet as I depicted in my email. > >I'm not sure, on rereading your example above, that I really >understand it. Can you give a specific example of this? > (first, by "above" do you mean the one in my prev email, as what is literally above here, is not mine..) sorry if it is taking me ages to reply, but still cannot access my laptop and the internet connection has been flaky. My example had a primary address, an alias in the same subnet as the primary address and an extra alias in a different subnet. My netmask were exactly as you say, 0xffffffff for the alias on the same subnet and a the "proper" subnet netmask for the alias that in not in the same subnet. I also said that one should add a route for this third address (via 127.0.0.1) in order for it to work properly. I am now not so sure as I have just experimented without this and it works (netstat -rn shows the route added). Maybe something changed after 10.0.0 and the route addition is now redundant, but only a full test after reboot would clear the matter. Well, this was just to make a point, the issue is quite clear anyway. Giuliano -- H U M P H || ||| software development of: Java & C++ Server/Client/Human Interface applications on MacOS - MacOS X http://www.humph.com/ From sherlock at rna.nl Sun Jun 3 18:28:19 2001 From: sherlock at rna.nl (Sherlock Holmes) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:20 2005 Subject: Papersize Message-ID: <20010603221538.B31C8A9B9@spike.rna.nl> Does Mac OS X 10.0.3 have a working default setting (global) for papersize (e.g. a4, letter)? If so, where can I find it? SH From mike at maibaum.org Sun Jun 3 19:43:51 2001 From: mike at maibaum.org (Michael Maibaum) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:20 2005 Subject: Papersize In-Reply-To: <20010603221538.B31C8A9B9@spike.rna.nl> Message-ID: <200106031912465.SM00167@localhost> On Sunday, June 3, 2001, at 03:15 , Sherlock Holmes wrote: > Does Mac OS X 10.0.3 have a working default setting (global) for > papersize (e.g. a4, letter)? No. > If so, where can I find it? The future (I hope) Michael From dave at difference.com.au Sun Jun 3 20:41:57 2001 From: dave at difference.com.au (David Cake) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:20 2005 Subject: Papersize In-Reply-To: <20010603221538.B31C8A9B9@spike.rna.nl> References: <20010603221538.B31C8A9B9@spike.rna.nl> Message-ID: At 12:15 AM +0200 4/6/01, Sherlock Holmes scribbled: >Does Mac OS X 10.0.3 have a working default setting (global) for >papersize (e.g. a4, letter)? If so, where can I find it? As far as I can tell, there is none. Yes, this sucks. Cheers David From sherlock at rna.nl Sun Jun 3 22:33:44 2001 From: sherlock at rna.nl (Sherlock Holmes) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:20 2005 Subject: HFS+ or UFS? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20010603221342.5E821A8BB@spike.rna.nl> On Sunday, June 3, 2001, at 05:51 PM, Finlay Dobbie wrote: > also, you can't build cvs from apple's darwin things. CVS uses a dir > called CVS for cvs information, so this causes conflicts. ROTFL SH PS. Apple? Please add per-directory-case-sensitiveness to HFS+ (HFS++) to solve these issues! Or upgrade Carbon so it works perfectly on UFS as well. From jason at imo.com.au Sun Jun 3 22:43:24 2001 From: jason at imo.com.au (Jason Schulz) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:20 2005 Subject: HFS+ or UFS? Message-ID: Folks, Can I ask what specific features of UFS make it better/more stable/feature rich or otherwise different from other file systems (in particular HFS+)? I'm curious about why it doesn't need defragging, and why it 'performs' better (when well written), but I'd also like to know more about it in general. Thanks, Jason. | IMO Consulting Pty Ltd www.imo.com.au jason@imo.com.au | | P 02 9388 8596 M 0411 288 596 F 02 9388 8593 | | Filemaker Pro Solutions & Support for the Office and Internet. | From jason at imo.com.au Sun Jun 3 22:47:42 2001 From: jason at imo.com.au (Jason Schulz) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:20 2005 Subject: HFS+ or UFS? Message-ID: Folks, Can I ask what specific features of UFS make it better/more stable/feature rich or otherwise different from other file systems (in particular HFS+)? I'm curious about why it doesn't need defragging, and why it 'performs' better (when well written), but I'd also like to know more about it in general. Thanks, Jason. | IMO Consulting Pty Ltd www.imo.com.au jason@imo.com.au | | P 02 9388 8596 M 0411 288 596 F 02 9388 8593 | | Filemaker Pro Solutions & Support for the Office and Internet. | From torin at carbonation.com Mon Jun 4 08:37:51 2001 From: torin at carbonation.com (torin) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:20 2005 Subject: Input problems In-Reply-To: <200106021918.MAA26906@lists.omnigroup.com> Message-ID: Has anyone had the problem of your mouse and keyboard suddenly stop working in osx client? My USB keyboard and mouse on the G3 running osx 10.0.3 sometimes just dies, repluging the USB does not start it again, trying other input devices does not work either. On my *cough*9500 running osx the adb mouse (actually a orbit trackball) dies after about 5-10 mins. I have updated that osx to 10.0.1 only I think... I'm making sure by reading others posts that these updates work on the older machines before I mangle my server:) Machines can still be telneted to, everything runs fine except the mouse and keyboard. Is there a process I can restart so that a restart is not necessary? Thanks for any input you may have. Torin Essex ..................................................................... Service Manager (416) 535-1999 Carbon Computing 672 Dupont St Toll Free (888) 432-1999 Suite 304 Toronto M6G 1Z6 Fax (416) 535-3129 www.carbonation.com torin@carbonation.com ..................................................................... T h i n k c a r b o n From chuck at codefab.com Mon Jun 4 09:07:09 2001 From: chuck at codefab.com (Chuck Swiger) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:20 2005 Subject: HFS+ or UFS? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200106041607.f54G72C23034@tertius.codefab.com> On Mon, 4 Jun 2001 15:47:19 +1000, Jason Schulz wrote: > Can I ask what specific features of UFS make it better/more > stable/feature rich or otherwise different from other file systems (in > particular HFS+)? > > I'm curious about why it doesn't need defragging, and why it 'performs' > better (when well written), but I'd also like to know more about it in > general. On most BSD systems, try: % zcat /usr/share/doc/smm/05.fastfs/paper.ascii.gz A Fast File System for UNIX* Marshall Kirk McKusick, William N. Joy-, Samuel J. Leffler=, Robert S. Fabry Computer Systems Research Group Computer Science Division Department of Electrical Engineering and Computer Science University of California, Berkeley Berkeley, CA 94720 ABSTRACT A reimplementation of the UNIX file system is described. The reimplementation provides substan- tially higher throughput rates by using more flex- ible allocation policies that allow better local- ity of reference and can be adapted to a wide range of peripheral and processor characteristics. The new file system clusters data that is sequen- tially accessed and provides two block sizes to allow fast access to large files while not wasting large amounts of space for small files. File access rates of up to ten times faster than the traditional UNIX file system are experienced. Long needed enhancements to the programmers' interface are discussed. These include a mecha- nism to place advisory locks on files, extensions of the name space across file systems, the ability to use long file names, and provisions for admin- istrative control of resource usage. [ ... ] -Chuck Chuck Swiger | chuck@codefab.com | All your packets are belong to us. -------------+-------------------+----------------------------------- "The human race's favorite method for being in control of the facts is to ignore them." -Celia Green From waltd at wdstudio.com Mon Jun 4 11:05:38 2001 From: waltd at wdstudio.com (Walter Lee Davis) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:20 2005 Subject: LoginWindow Power Management on WallStreet Message-ID: I have noticed something odd, and I'm wondering if anyone can corroborate. I have my PowerBook G3 292 set to never sleep the processor, but let the screen and disk snooze. If I walk away from the machine for an extended time while I'm logged in, when I return, the machine is cool to the touch. If I do the same when I'm logged out, the screen is dark, but the machine is HOT. I have heard that there are problems with the WallStreet and X, which is partly why I haven't let it sleep the processor. Manual sleeping works about 80% of the time, so I try not to do that very much. Does anyone know why the login window would keep the processor working so hard when idling away running Apache/MySQL/PHP and BBEdit and OmniWeb and IE and Terminal and Sherlock would be so restful? Walter From sandra at tomandandy.com Mon Jun 4 11:10:43 2001 From: sandra at tomandandy.com (Sandra Panesso) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:20 2005 Subject: please help me Message-ID: <200106041641.MAA21407@duchamp.tomandandy.com> HI Everybody I want to know if it is possible install mac OS 9 after install Mac OS X and both systems. If it is possible please let me know how can do it. I hope not bother a lot because i have put different request before and never I have receive any answer If somebody can help me I would really appreciated. Sandra From milov at cslab.uwlax.edu Mon Jun 4 11:35:34 2001 From: milov at cslab.uwlax.edu (Milo Velimirovic) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:20 2005 Subject: HFS+ or UFS? In-Reply-To: <200106041607.f54G72C23034@tertius.codefab.com> Message-ID: <20010604164955.BBECE11A7A@adelle.sah.uwlax.edu> > cd /usr/share/doc /usr/share/doc: No such file or directory. For those of us using Mac OS X (or Nextstep...) one place to find the McKusick, et al. article is: http://docs.freebsd.org/44doc/smm/05.fastfs/paper.html Compare with HFS+ http://developer.apple.com/techpubs/macosx/SystemOverview/SystemOverview/FileSystem/ The_File_System.html Regards, Milo On Monday, June 4, 2001, at 11:07 AM, Chuck Swiger wrote: > On Mon, 4 Jun 2001 15:47:19 +1000, Jason Schulz wrote: >> Can I ask what specific features of UFS make it better/more >> stable/feature rich or otherwise different from other file systems (in >> particular HFS+)? >> >> I'm curious about why it doesn't need defragging, and why it 'performs' >> better (when well written), but I'd also like to know more about it in >> general. > > On most BSD systems, try: > > % zcat /usr/share/doc/smm/05.fastfs/paper.ascii.gz > > > A Fast File System for UNIX* > > Marshall Kirk McKusick, William N. Joy-, > Samuel J. Leffler=, Robert S. Fabry > Computer Systems Research Group > Computer Science Division > Department of Electrical Engineering and Computer Science > University of California, Berkeley > Berkeley, CA 94720 > > > ABSTRACT > > > A reimplementation of the UNIX file system is > described. The reimplementation provides substan- > tially higher throughput rates by using more flex- > ible allocation policies that allow better local- > ity of reference and can be adapted to a wide > range of peripheral and processor characteristics. > The new file system clusters data that is sequen- > tially accessed and provides two block sizes to > allow fast access to large files while not wasting > large amounts of space for small files. File > access rates of up to ten times faster than the > traditional UNIX file system are experienced. > Long needed enhancements to the programmers' > interface are discussed. These include a mecha- > nism to place advisory locks on files, extensions > of the name space across file systems, the ability > to use long file names, and provisions for admin- > istrative control of resource usage. > [ ... ] > > -Chuck > > Chuck Swiger | chuck@codefab.com | All your packets are belong > to us. > > -------------+-------------------+----------------------------------- > "The human race's favorite method for being in control of the > facts > is to ignore them." -Celia Green > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-admin mailing list > MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin > -- Milo Velimirovic Unix Computer Network Administrator (608) 785-6618 University of Wisconsin - La Crosse La Crosse, Wisconsin 54601 USA 43 48 05 N 91 14 22 W From lists at colorremedies.com Mon Jun 4 11:51:19 2001 From: lists at colorremedies.com (Chris Murphy) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:20 2005 Subject: Bad Sectors Message-ID: <200106041849.LAA12407@swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net> Sherlock Holmes writes: >I suspect that my disk has some bad sectors. Strange noises sometimes >when information is accessed. Anyway, can I detect these in some way and >then tell the system not to use them anymore? If so, how? Bad sectors don't make noises. If your drive is making new and unusual noises, it's time to backup immediately and keep a regular backup. The drive could die any second, or it could last for another 10 years. Apple Drive Setup (OS 9) can run a Test of sorts on the volume that includes looking for bad sectors and removing them from use. I don't know if OS X has an equivalent. Chris Murphy Color Remedies (tm) Boulder, CO 303-415-9932 From altius at 9online.fr Mon Jun 4 14:04:52 2001 From: altius at 9online.fr (Altius Consultants) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:20 2005 Subject: Where is OSTYPE set Message-ID: <200106042104.OAA16226@omnigroup.com> Strange ... In sh and zsh, OSTYPE=darwin1.0; in csh and tcsh, OSTYPE=macos. MACHTYPE, VENDOR and HOSTTYPE are identical in all shells. Any ideas ? Rupert From mike at stonebow.otago.ac.nz Mon Jun 4 14:24:21 2001 From: mike at stonebow.otago.ac.nz (mike@stonebow.otago.ac.nz) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:20 2005 Subject: Mail to Eudora Converter? Message-ID: <200106042124.f54LODs24944@galadriel.otago.ac.nz> I am testing out Eudora for OS X and want to convert my email from 'Mail' to 'Eudora'. Is there a converter available or is there a simple way to do this? Mike C From jason at extralargemedia.com Mon Jun 4 18:12:07 2001 From: jason at extralargemedia.com (Jason Ziegler) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:20 2005 Subject: way off topic - server video monitor with dual inputs? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1220436953-111579138@extralargemedia.com> I'm using a Sony G400 19" for this purpose. It's shared between an OSX and a Win2k machine. Jason Z. On Friday, June 1, 2001, at 12:32 PM, jacob walcik wrote: > sony g400 19" trinitron > > -- > jacob walcik > jwalcik@notwithstanding.org > > On Fri, 1 Jun 2001, David Herren wrote: > >> Apologies for this but I suspect this group will have valuable >> opinions... >> I know some will at least _have_ opinions... ;-) Please reply off >> list.. >> . >> >> I have a G4 and an Intel box as servers sharing a single monitor with >> dual, >> switchable inputs. We don't actually need a KVM switch since there's >> plenty of room for both keyboards and we almost _never_ need to use >> the PC >> keyboard for anything anyway. >> >> Currently, we're using a 21 inch monitor for this, which is overkill, >> and >> I'd like to use that monitor on a developer's desk instead. Can any of >> you >> recommend small 17"-19" monitors you have used that have dual video >> inputs? >> >> /david >> >> -- >> david herren >> director of online media development >> champlain college >> _______________________________________________ >> MacOSX-admin mailing list >> MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com >> http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin >> > > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-admin mailing list > MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin > From rpeskin at rlpcon.com Mon Jun 4 19:21:23 2001 From: rpeskin at rlpcon.com (Richard Peskin) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:20 2005 Subject: command line for airport? Message-ID: <200106050221.f552LJC10769@mailgate1.sover.net> Are there any command line utilities to support the Airport driver? I have an OS X system using both ethernet and Airport network interfaces, but I need to manually create a "Computer to Computer network" for Airport everytime I boot up or reboot. It would be nice if this could be done in the boot script. --dick peskin Richard L. Peskin, RLP Consulting, Londonderry, VT http://www.rlpcon.com http://www.caip.rutgers.edu/~peskin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/enriched Size: 501 bytes Desc: not available Url : /mailman/archive/macosx-admin/attachments/20010604/b0ecbfbf/attachment.bin From lists at colorremedies.com Mon Jun 4 21:28:39 2001 From: lists at colorremedies.com (Chris Murphy) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:20 2005 Subject: HFS+ or UFS? Message-ID: <200106050428.VAA14479@albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Sherlock Holmes writes: >PS. Apple? Please add per-directory-case-sensitiveness to HFS+ (HFS++) >to solve these issues! Or upgrade Carbon so it works perfectly on UFS as >well. It's not going to happen anytime soon. HFS+ doesn't see "chris" and "Chris" as being different. They are the same thing. But it will PRESERVE the case. I guess I don't understand why it's necessary to have case-sensitivity. It seems sloppy to me to have two files with the same sequence of characters differing only in case. Chris Murphy Color Remedies (tm) Boulder, CO 303-415-9932 From help at colorremedies.com Mon Jun 4 21:37:53 2001 From: help at colorremedies.com (Color Remedies) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:20 2005 Subject: OS X not quitting apps on restart/shutdown (data loss) Message-ID: <200106050437.VAA18168@gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net> The last eight times I've restarted (4) and shutdown (4), applications are not being quit by the OS first. Cocoa apps, Carbon apps, and Classic apps remaining running. I'm not sure, but it's possible that all five times I've used the shutdown button which brings up the sleep, restart, shutdown, cancel dialog box - and from there I click on restart or shutdown. After clicking restart or shutdown, there is no activity for about 30 seconds. I can launch other apps, I can work in other apps. Suddently the mouse arrow turns into a spinning beachball in the upper left hand corner and can't be moved, then the machine restarts/shutsdown shortly thereafter. I'm *NOT* prompted to save documents and unsaved documents are LOST. This is with Mac OS X 10.0.3 on a Wallstreet Powerbook G3. This *seems* to occur only when hitting restart/shutdown from the "sleep, restart, shutdown, cancel" dialog that is accessed by hitting the powerbutton. When I do a restart or shutdown from the Apple menu, then the restart/shutdown is normal. Of course a normal shutdown, all apps are sent a quit - and if there is an unsaved app, you are given an opportunity to save data, then the Finder quits, then you are logged out, then you get the blue login screen, then the mouse arrow turns to a beachball in the upper left hand corner, then shutdown/restart. But in my case, it's not happening like that. Regards, Chris Murphy help@colorremedies.com President, Color Remedies (TM) Voice: 303.415.9932 4830 Hopkins Pl Fax: 303.938.9563 Boulder, CO 80301 www.colorremedies.com Member: Apple Solution Experts ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From lists at colorremedies.com Mon Jun 4 21:40:20 2001 From: lists at colorremedies.com (Chris Murphy) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:20 2005 Subject: please help me Message-ID: <200106050440.VAA00175@swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net> Sandra Panesso writes: >I want to know if it is possible install mac OS 9 after install Mac OS X >and both systems. If it is possible please let me know how can do it. Yes it is. How to do it? Well, you boot from an OS 9 CD and you do a normal install of the system. That's it. I've done it before and it hasn't been a problem. Have you tried this? If you have and it didn't work we need more information on what's going on. Chris Murphy Color Remedies (tm) Boulder, CO 303-415-9932 From waltd at wdstudio.com Mon Jun 4 21:44:42 2001 From: waltd at wdstudio.com (Walter Lee Davis) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:20 2005 Subject: OS X not quitting apps on restart/shutdown (data loss) In-Reply-To: <200106050437.VAA18168@gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net> Message-ID: I have this same setup as you, and I'm not seeing the behavior you're describing. Is there anything that you have installed lately that seems out of the ordinary? Is there any third-party hardware in your PB? I'll look closely for this behavior and see if I can duplicate it, but I use the power key to shut down all the time, and I can't recall not being presented with the usual "Would you like to save that?" Mac hand-holding we all love. Walter On 6/5/01 12:37 AM, "Color Remedies" wrote: > > The last eight times I've restarted (4) and shutdown (4), applications > are not being quit by the OS first. Cocoa apps, Carbon apps, and Classic > apps remaining running. I'm not sure, but it's possible that all five > times I've used the shutdown button which brings up the sleep, restart, > shutdown, cancel dialog box - and from there I click on restart or > shutdown. > > After clicking restart or shutdown, there is no activity for about 30 > seconds. I can launch other apps, I can work in other apps. Suddently the > mouse arrow turns into a spinning beachball in the upper left hand corner > and can't be moved, then the machine restarts/shutsdown shortly > thereafter. I'm *NOT* prompted to save documents and unsaved documents > are LOST. > > This is with Mac OS X 10.0.3 on a Wallstreet Powerbook G3. This *seems* > to occur only when hitting restart/shutdown from the "sleep, restart, > shutdown, cancel" dialog that is accessed by hitting the powerbutton. > When I do a restart or shutdown from the Apple menu, then the > restart/shutdown is normal. > > Of course a normal shutdown, all apps are sent a quit - and if there is > an unsaved app, you are given an opportunity to save data, then the > Finder quits, then you are logged out, then you get the blue login > screen, then the mouse arrow turns to a beachball in the upper left hand > corner, then shutdown/restart. But in my case, it's not happening like > that. > > > > Regards, > > > Chris Murphy help@colorremedies.com > President, Color Remedies (TM) Voice: 303.415.9932 > 4830 Hopkins Pl Fax: 303.938.9563 > Boulder, CO 80301 www.colorremedies.com > Member: Apple Solution Experts > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-admin mailing list > MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin > From lists at colorremedies.com Mon Jun 4 21:56:18 2001 From: lists at colorremedies.com (Chris Murphy) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:20 2005 Subject: OS X not quitting apps on restart/shutdown (data loss) Message-ID: <200106050456.VAA28626@falcon.mail.pas.earthlink.net> >I have this same setup as you, and I'm not seeing the behavior you're >describing. Is there anything that you have installed lately that seems out >of the ordinary? Is there any third-party hardware in your PB? A USB Cardbus card is it. I'll take it out and see if it still happens. I haven't installed anything lately out of the ordinary. Actually I've only done drag-install of software - nothing actually installed other than OS updates. I've been avoiding anything that uses Installer.app. Chris Murphy Color Remedies (tm) Boulder, CO 303-415-9932 From justin at mac.com Mon Jun 4 21:58:11 2001 From: justin at mac.com (Justin C. Walker) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:20 2005 Subject: Multihoming . . . In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20010605045743.ZFTR14869.femail4.sdc1.sfba.home.com@grinch> I hate to keep kicking this one along, but... On Sunday, June 3, 2001, at 06:15 PM, Giuliano Gavazzi (dev) wrote: > At 9:03 PM -0700 2001/06/02, Justin C. Walker wrote: >> On Saturday, June 2, 2001, at 06:54 PM, Giuliano Gavazzi (dev) wrote: >> >>> At 6:36 PM -0700 2001/06/01, Justin C. Walker wrote: > (first, by "above" do you mean the one in my prev email, as what > is literally above here, is not mine..) rats. The 'above' is the one 'above', not 'previous'; sorry, I must have been asleep and not checked attribution correctly. > My example had a primary address, an alias in the same subnet as > the primary address and an extra alias in a different subnet. My > netmask were exactly as you say, 0xffffffff for the alias on the > same subnet and a the "proper" subnet netmask for the alias that > in not in the same subnet. > I also said that one should add a route for this third address > (via 127.0.0.1) in order for it to work properly. I am now not so > sure as I have just experimented without this and it works > (netstat -rn shows the route added). Maybe something changed after > 10.0.0 and the route addition is now redundant, but only a full > test after reboot would clear the matter. Nope; aliases have worked this way since Rhapsody days (oh, so many moons gone by...). Regards, Justin --- Justin C. Walker, Curmudgeon-At-Large * Institute for General Semantics | Director of Technology | If you're not confused, Nexsi Systems Corp. | You're not paying attention 1959 Concourse Drive | San Jose, CA 95131 | *--------------------------------------*-------------------------------* From Jacques.Menu at epfl.ch Tue Jun 5 00:00:59 2001 From: Jacques.Menu at epfl.ch (Jacques Menu) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:20 2005 Subject: Mail to Eudora Converter? In-Reply-To: <200106042124.f54LODs24944@galadriel.otago.ac.nz> Message-ID: <200106050700.AAA17825@omnigroup.com> Hello Mike, > I am testing out Eudora for OS X and want to convert my email from > 'Mail' to 'Eudora'. Is there a converter available or is there a simple > way to do this? One way, though not the most elegant one, it to send all those messages to yourself and quickly go offline, so that Mail won't get them just afterwards. Works best with an IMAP server, of course. Regards, From scott at maxify.com Tue Jun 5 00:51:52 2001 From: scott at maxify.com (Scott Stevenson) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:20 2005 Subject: Mail to Eudora Converter? In-Reply-To: <200106042124.f54LODs24944@galadriel.otago.ac.nz> Message-ID: <200106050642.XAA13795@spyhunter.maxify.com> On Monday, June 4, 2001, at 02:24 PM, mike@stonebow.otago.ac.nz wrote: > I am testing out Eudora for OS X and want to convert my email from > 'Mail' to 'Eudora'. Is there a converter available or is there a simple > way to do this? Don't they both use the mbox format? It might just be a matter of converting the line endings, but I don't know for sure. - Scott -- Scott Stevenson http://wildtofu.com/ http://maxify.com/ From sherlock at rna.nl Tue Jun 5 01:48:42 2001 From: sherlock at rna.nl (Sherlock Holmes) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:20 2005 Subject: HFS+ or UFS? In-Reply-To: <200106050428.VAA14479@albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20010605084155.999A9A852@spike.rna.nl> On Tuesday, June 5, 2001, at 06:28 AM, Chris Murphy wrote: > I guess I don't understand why it's necessary to have case-sensitivity. > It seems sloppy to me to have two files with the same sequence of > characters differing only in case. It is arbitrary. 'same sequence' is only true if you see lower case characters as 'the same' as 'upper case' characters. One could easily argue that if they are the same, why bother having case at all? Let's put accented characters in ASCII instead of uppercase. Anyway, that is not important. The fact of the matter is that for Unix, case difference does matter and it is not going away. Mac OS X has a unix foundation which is handicapped if it runs on a case unsensitive file system. Mac OS X has a Mac top which is handicapped if it runs a file system where all kind of HFS+ stuff (like type, creator, etc) is missing. Getting HFS+ to be case sensitive on a per-directory basis is a good compromise, though I do not know if it can be done wll performance wise. You can set case sensitiveness for those directories where unix is 'king'. Thus, /bin, /usr/local, etc would be case sensitive, and /Applications, user directories, etc would not. SH From ehk20 at cus.cam.ac.uk Tue Jun 5 03:07:13 2001 From: ehk20 at cus.cam.ac.uk (Espen H. Koht) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:20 2005 Subject: HFS+ or UFS? Message-ID: On Tue, 5 Jun 2001, Sherlock Holmes wrote: > On Tuesday, June 5, 2001, at 06:28 AM, Chris Murphy wrote: > > > I guess I don't understand why it's necessary to have case-sensitivity. > > It seems sloppy to me to have two files with the same sequence of > > characters differing only in case. > > It is arbitrary. 'same sequence' is only true if you see lower case > characters as 'the same' as 'upper case' characters. Which is what humans do 99% of the time. The 'case' of a character is primarily a typographical short-cut. > Anyway, that is not important. The fact of the matter is that for Unix, > case difference does matter and it is not going away. However, it can be argued that it is also a flaw in unix and keeping it causes more problems than it solves! Case-sensitivity in a system which interacts with non case-sensitive operators (ie. humans) is a major design flaw. The only reason this hasn't been fixed is because a case-sensitive system is more 'backwards compatible'. However, what people sometimes fail to mention is that is also perpetuates broken-ness. The classic example is URLs where you combine a non-sensitive and a sensitive component into a single address; it's a mess. > Mac OS X has a > unix foundation which is handicapped if it runs on a case unsensitive > file system. I don't think it is all that bad. Genuine case-sensitivity is not very common in unix environments, and when it is used it is often inadvertant rather than intentional. I don't think that it is hard to convince unix programmers to fix brokeness caused by things like these. In the long run I think that is a better solution than perpetuating the existing flaw. Espen From paul.williams at emap.com Tue Jun 5 03:09:51 2001 From: paul.williams at emap.com (Paul Williams) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:20 2005 Subject: OSX: strange weirdness...not critical Message-ID: Sorry for the opaque topic. I can't describe it in any other way. This morning I logged in to find that some of my dock apps are appearing as "dockling" icons: This, for Mac heads, is reminiscent of occasions where the Macintosh shows generic "blank" icons for documents and apps. Don't worry, I won't be attempting to rebuild the Desktop... 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Please note that any views expressed in this email may be those of the originator and do not necessarily reflect those of this organisation. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Paul-Buckley at home.net Tue Jun 5 05:35:44 2001 From: Paul-Buckley at home.net (Paul) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:20 2005 Subject: HFS+ or UFS? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20010605123541.UOSX7556.femail8.sdc1.sfba.home.com@Galedin> On Tuesday, June 5, 2001, at 06:07 AM, Espen H. Koht wrote: > However, it can be argued that it is also a flaw in unix and keeping it > causes more problems than it solves! Case-sensitivity in a system which > interacts with non case-sensitive operators (ie. humans) is a major > design > flaw. Is this the only real value to case insensitiveness, that it makes it easier for humans to interact with the textual system? If so, and I don't know of any other, then I think the filesystem should be case sensitive and the user interface should provide the flexibility. We see this in URL's that ignore uppercase, although humans use specific case for advertising/recognition purposes. LaunchBar is also another interface that allows cases to be mixed (o or O get me OmniWeb). Nextstep's Workspace browser also allows lowercase to function as a shortcut to files starting with an upper case letter (and navigation doesn't require the hand to reach over to the arrow key, unlike in Finder--so much for Mac shortcuts!) In what way does Mac rely on case insensitiveness? Where is it needed? From ehk20 at cus.cam.ac.uk Tue Jun 5 06:09:40 2001 From: ehk20 at cus.cam.ac.uk (Espen H. Koht) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:20 2005 Subject: HFS+ or UFS? In-Reply-To: <20010605123541.UOSX7556.femail8.sdc1.sfba.home.com@Galedin> Message-ID: On Tue, 5 Jun 2001, Paul wrote: > Is this the only real value to case insensitiveness, that it makes it > easier for humans to interact with the textual system? If so, and I > don't know of any other, then I think the filesystem should be case > sensitive and the user interface should provide the flexibility. That's a valid arguement, but if there is no value in case-sensitivity for file names, then it is simpler to have the file system be case-insensitive than for every application having to be coded for it. When you have multiple APIs involved on file management (like in MacOSX) you certainly want to have the case-insensitivity at the shared level. In this case the case-insensitivity of HFS+ is probably a good thing. > We see > this in URL's that ignore uppercase, although humans use specific case > for advertising/recognition purposes. This is another example of the problem implementing case-insensitivity on the application level. There is no reason for URLs to be case-sensitive, yet they can be (for backwards compatability with servers using case-sensitive file-systems). You would think that you could get around this simply by building the case-insensitivty logic into the server, but the reality is that most servers don't. Espen From njriley at uiuc.edu Tue Jun 5 07:53:26 2001 From: njriley at uiuc.edu (Nicholas Riley) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:20 2005 Subject: Mail to Eudora Converter? In-Reply-To: <200106050642.XAA13795@spyhunter.maxify.com>; from scott@maxify.com on Tue, Jun 05, 2001 at 12:51:17AM -0700 References: <200106042124.f54LODs24944@galadriel.otago.ac.nz> <200106050642.XAA13795@spyhunter.maxify.com> Message-ID: <20010605095502.B14048@uiuc.edu> On Tue, Jun 05, 2001 at 12:51:17AM -0700, Scott Stevenson wrote: > Don't they both use the mbox format? It might just be a matter of > converting the line endings, but I don't know for sure. Sort of. I believe Mail leaves the attachments in the mailboxes, whereas Eudora pulls them out. -- Nicholas Riley | From willscheidegger at mac.com Tue Jun 5 08:13:42 2001 From: willscheidegger at mac.com (Will Scheidegger) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:20 2005 Subject: Mail to Eudora Converter? In-Reply-To: <20010605095502.B14048@uiuc.edu> References: <200106042124.f54LODs24944@galadriel.otago.ac.nz> <200106050642.XAA13795@spyhunter.maxify.com> <20010605095502.B14048@uiuc.edu> Message-ID: At 9:55 AM -0500 6/5/01, Nicholas Riley wrote: > > Don't they both use the mbox format? It might just be a matter of >> converting the line endings, but I don't know for sure. > >Sort of. I believe Mail leaves the attachments in the mailboxes, >whereas Eudora pulls them out. Exactly. When opening an mbox file from Mail in Eudora you'll find all attachements as text inline. With 1MB PDF files this gives you quite something to scroll! ;-) Will From Albert-Lunde at northwestern.edu Tue Jun 5 08:51:48 2001 From: Albert-Lunde at northwestern.edu (Albert Lunde) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:20 2005 Subject: Mail to Eudora Converter? In-Reply-To: ; from "Will Scheidegger" at Jun 5, 2001 5:12 pm Message-ID: <200106051551.KAA00332@nuinfo.northwestern.edu> > At 9:55 AM -0500 6/5/01, Nicholas Riley wrote: > > > Don't they both use the mbox format? It might just be a matter of > >> converting the line endings, but I don't know for sure. > > > >Sort of. I believe Mail leaves the attachments in the mailboxes, > >whereas Eudora pulls them out. > > Exactly. When opening an mbox file from Mail in Eudora you'll find > all attachements as text inline. With 1MB PDF files this gives you > quite something to scroll! ;-) I'm not sure if this will work for you, but in another context (inputting mbox files downloaded with ASCII mode ftp), doing UUCP input with Mac Eudora splits the messages into segments/attachments like normal reception. You may have to convert end-of-lines to returns first. I'm doing this presently with Eudora 4.2.2 on Mac OS 8.5.1, which is why I can't say for sure if it will work in the newer environment. The trick is to write a personality with something like this: !Mail:uucpin:lundembox in place of the pop username, where all but the "!" is the path to the input text file. There should be a section in the user manual on using UUCP, where this is documented, though they don't talk about it as a way to convert mail file formats. -- Albert Lunde Albert-Lunde@northwestern.edu (new address) Albert-Lunde@nwu.edu (old address) From Paul-Buckley at home.net Tue Jun 5 09:26:30 2001 From: Paul-Buckley at home.net (Paul) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:20 2005 Subject: HFS+ or UFS? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20010605162619.CXL26258.femail9.sdc1.sfba.home.com@Galedin> On Tuesday, June 5, 2001, at 09:09 AM, Espen H. Koht wrote: > it is simpler to have the file system be > case-insensitive than for every application having to be coded for it. Not every application needs to be coded for it. Terminal.app, Mail.app... > When you have multiple APIs involved on file management (like in MacOSX) > you certainly want to have the case-insensitivity at the shared > level. I don't see the connection. What API requires the file system to be "dumbed down". On Tuesday, June 5, 2001, at 09:09 AM, Espen H. Koht wrote: > You would think that you could get > around this simply by building the case-insensitivty logic into the > server, but the reality is that most servers don't. As I understand it, case insensitivity is built in to the servers and the clients. Everything is reduced to lower case for use. www.irs.gov = www.Irs.goV = ... etc. From moetteli at mac.com Tue Jun 5 09:54:13 2001 From: moetteli at mac.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Philip_M=F6tteli?=) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:20 2005 Subject: Set default application for unknown file types? Message-ID: <200106042027.f54KRsP02626@hermes.moetteli.ch> Hi Is there way, like in the good old NeXT times, that the Finder opens every document, which is not already associated with a program, with TextEdit? Thanks Phil From sfox at mail.utexas.edu Tue Jun 5 11:28:34 2001 From: sfox at mail.utexas.edu (Steve Fox) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:20 2005 Subject: X freezing on iMac DV Message-ID: <200106051828.LAA21821@omnigroup.com> Afternoon Everyone, I have an iMac DV (320MB RAM), OS X(10.0.3)+dev tools, FW update 4.1.7 that I can't get stable with OS X. Before the firware update I was getting daily (sometimes more) panics from it. After the FW update (and replacing a DIMM) the panics are gone, but now I have a new wrinkle: It stayed up fine for 4 days, then this morning I went to ftp in and the connection froze on me. I went to the iMac to login at the keyboard and the rainbow wheel went in to permanent spin mode. I checked this syslog and the last thing it did was run cron at 3:15am (Thursday) then restart syslogd. Then when I went to connect and nuthin. Is anyone familiar with this behavior? I have the 3:15am to fail from the log, but wasn't sure if it was appropriate to post all that here. Thanks in advance, Steve Fox UT CMHC From JJEgger at msd.k12.wi.us Tue Jun 5 13:14:34 2001 From: JJEgger at msd.k12.wi.us (Egger, Jeremy) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:20 2005 Subject: Netinfo??? -10 Server Message-ID: <990986872734D51186EA00B0D03D95CC11B85E@ntexchange.msd.k12.wi.us> Has anyone here gotten Netinfo services to work properly. I finally got my server to become a parent, and could see my parent domain in users and groups. I have not been able to get a child to connect to this parent. Documentation, resources, and setup assistants are poor at best. So any type of help would be appreciated. We have 9 buildings, 8 of these are schools each has their own server, along with the middle and highschools having an extra fileserver. The other, is a server at our district office we plan to use as the parent domain. How should I go about setting this up. I would hate to enter usernames and other information again and again. I heard from my SE that the 1.2 version of server actually works and the setup assistant works as well. What is Apple planning to do about this? Why include netinfo if it doesn't work? Jeremy Egger jjegger@msd.k12.wi.us 715.232.1642 www.msd.k12.wi.us 718 N. Broadway Menomonie WI 54751 From centuri at mac.com Tue Jun 5 13:21:27 2001 From: centuri at mac.com (Robert Phelan) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:20 2005 Subject: (no subject) Message-ID: Quick rant then question: When it comes to netinfo, the Admin Guide pdf that came with OSXServer10.0 has got to be one of the most useless documents in existence. "To do this, you have to do this, this and this, but we're not going to tell you how to do those." "Oh, and while we're at it, we're going to use completely different terminology between the documentation and the actual utilities being described" (and the Mac Help center is no better for this topic) Obviously I have become quite befuddled with the netinfo manager/netinfodomain setup/directory setup tools. I'm trying to make a simple, two tier (heck, 2 computer) domain model with one OSX Server 10.0 machine and on OSX 10.0.3 machine to test the viability for future OSX Lab machines. I've been working at this all day, following the instructions (hah!) in the admin guide, trying to set up a "Parent/Shared/apple's random term" domain on the OSX Server Machine. I tried using NetInfo Domain Setup to make a parent domain as it says in the admin guide, but it seems to do nothing when I select "This machine: is a NetInfo Parent" (with or without the accompanying ip/tag info) and click save. The rest of my time has been spent plugging away in the NetInfo manager, mostly under the /Domain/Manage Domains menu which I have yet to figure out. Is it just me? Is there more documentation? Thanks, Robert -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- Robert Phelan University Missouri Rolla Macintosh Development Analyst rjp231@umr.edu "If it's not on fire, you haven't clocked it high enough" ----------------------------------------------------------------- From scott_ribe at killerbytes.com Tue Jun 5 13:51:33 2001 From: scott_ribe at killerbytes.com (Scott Ribe) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:20 2005 Subject: problem: what is this??? Message-ID: <20010605205121.13733@smtp.rmi.net> Is OS X blowing up? Or is my hardware (iMac 350mHz)? Internet Explorer refused to start, bouncing for a long time, then showing the arrow indicating it was running, but without the menu bar showing IEs menus or any IE windows ever coming up. I've had this before and been able to kill CFMLoader (or something like that) in Process Viewer, but this time Process Viewer did the same thing as IE. I tried Force Quit under the Apple menu, but those apps didn't show up. So I tried to shut down, using the Apple Menu. It wouldn't shut down, because Terminal wouldn't quit. But I was able to Force Quit Terminal and subsequently shut down. When I hit the power key, it gets to the normal-looking happy Mac screen, along with the non-spinning rainbow CD image and locks up (I've left it for several minutes and there's no audible disk activity). I had to pull the power plug. I tried booting in verbose mode, and it booted all the way up, but the color was *way* off, very yellow, starting with the happy Mac and persisting, it looks like there's a thin film of translucent baby puke over enerything. From there I could shut down with no problem. When I power up again, it locks up. After pulling the plug again, powering up in verbose mode I get the same color weirdness. Any suggestions? Scott Ribe scott_ribe@killerbytes.com http://www.killerbytes.com/ (303) 665-7007 voice From scott_ribe at killerbytes.com Tue Jun 5 13:55:59 2001 From: scott_ribe at killerbytes.com (Scott Ribe) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:20 2005 Subject: problem: what is this??? In-Reply-To: <20010605205121.13733@smtp.rmi.net> References: <20010605205121.13733@smtp.rmi.net> Message-ID: <20010605205555.25538@smtp.rmi.net> Folks, ignore that message of mine. On the very next reboot the monitor did something that makes it pretty clear that the hardware is in the process of blowing up! Booting into single user to fsck ain't gonna fix this problem ;-) Scott Ribe scott_ribe@killerbytes.com http://www.killerbytes.com/ (303) 665-7007 voice From sherlock at rna.nl Tue Jun 5 14:19:29 2001 From: sherlock at rna.nl (Sherlock Holmes) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:20 2005 Subject: HFS+ or UFS? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20010605205628.C351BA886@spike.rna.nl> On Tuesday, June 5, 2001, at 12:07 PM, Espen H. Koht wrote: > However, it can be argued that it is also a flaw in unix and keeping it > causes more problems than it solves! This while discussion is somewhat theoretical. Even *if* case sensitiveness should be considered a flaw in unix (I know at least one reason why I think case sensitiveness is also a good thing, but let's not discuss this here), and even if it would theoretically be good that we should have case insensitive file systems only, we would still have a situation where 99% of the unix world has case sensitive file systems. Practically, every incompatibility between Mac OS X and most other unixes is a bad thing and you should only have incompatibilities if you really have a good reason (for instance because something which you find more important would break). Anyway, I am not against case insensitiveness in a file system per se. I just want choice per directory because I do want as few problems as possible when I want to use what is already there in the unix world. SH From dev at humph.com Tue Jun 5 14:23:59 2001 From: dev at humph.com (Giuliano Gavazzi (dev)) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:20 2005 Subject: Multihoming . . . In-Reply-To: <20010605045743.ZFTR14869.femail4.sdc1.sfba.home.com@grinch> References: <20010605045743.ZFTR14869.femail4.sdc1.sfba.home.com@grinch> Message-ID: At 9:57 PM -0700 2001/06/04, Justin C. Walker wrote: ... >Nope; aliases have worked this way since Rhapsody days (oh, so many >moons gone by...). Ah ha! You are right, but not completely: BUG report #2258435 (July 98), it took me a while to convince the dts engineer that the ifconfig shipped with Rhapsody was broken and that it should have accepted the 0xffffff00 netmask. I even put a port of the FreeBSD version available on my server for download. To make this email less pointless, I have noticed a behaviour, when adding an extra interface address not in the same subnet, that might be not totally correct. A permanent entry is automatically added to the arp table, and this is fine, but it does not go away if the address is deleted from the interface. I do not see why this would be a serious problem though, as there is a simple cure. Giuliano -- H U M P H || ||| software development of: Java & C++ Server/Client/Human Interface applications on MacOS - MacOS X http://www.humph.com/ From dev at humph.com Tue Jun 5 14:24:09 2001 From: dev at humph.com (Giuliano Gavazzi (dev)) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:20 2005 Subject: X freezing on iMac DV In-Reply-To: <200106051828.LAA21821@omnigroup.com> References: <200106051828.LAA21821@omnigroup.com> Message-ID: At 1:29 PM -0500 2001/06/05, Steve Fox wrote: ... >It stayed up fine for 4 days, then this morning I went to ftp in and >the connection froze on me. > >I went to the iMac to login at the keyboard and the rainbow wheel >went in to permanent spin mode. > >I checked this syslog and the last thing it did was run cron at >3:15am (Thursday) then restart syslogd. Then when I went to connect >and nuthin. > >Is anyone familiar with this behavior? I have the 3:15am to fail >from the log, but wasn't sure if it was appropriate to post all that >here. perhaps netinfo.log might have some more info? Perhaps not as system.log usually gets all the important stuff. I admit, not a very technical description... Looks like some netinfo or lookupd problem. Giuliano -- H U M P H || ||| software development of: Java & C++ Server/Client/Human Interface applications on MacOS - MacOS X http://www.humph.com/ From mike at stonebow.otago.ac.nz Tue Jun 5 14:24:28 2001 From: mike at stonebow.otago.ac.nz (mike@stonebow.otago.ac.nz) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:20 2005 Subject: Mail to Eudora Message-ID: <200106052124.f55LO8v06502@galadriel.otago.ac.nz> Thanks everyone for your help ...... but I think I'll just test Eudora AS well as using 'Mail' until there is a sure way to convert from one to the other EASILY without any problems. Regards Mike C From epeyton at epicware.com Tue Jun 5 14:47:13 2001 From: epeyton at epicware.com (Eric Peyton) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:20 2005 Subject: problem: what is this??? In-Reply-To: <20010605205555.25538@smtp.rmi.net> Message-ID: <20010605205930.E05735DE7@smtp-1.enteract.com> Sparks? 8-) eric On Tuesday, June 5, 2001, at 03:55 PM, Scott Ribe wrote: > On the very next reboot the monitor > did something that makes it pretty clear that the hardware is in the > process of blowing up! From cwolf at wolfware.com Tue Jun 5 14:47:22 2001 From: cwolf at wolfware.com (Christopher Wolf) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:20 2005 Subject: Netinfo??? -10 Server In-Reply-To: <990986872734D51186EA00B0D03D95CC11B85E@ntexchange.msd.k12.wi.us> Message-ID: *This message was transferred with a trial version of CommuniGate(tm) Pro* Oops that last message got sent a bit before I was done editing it... below is a slightly better set of directions... (involving fewer reboots) that should also work.... I'm glad to see it's not just me :-) 1) The docs say that the Setup Assistant will give you the option of creating a NetInfo parent during the initial configuration... apparently the docs lie since I re-installed twice and was never offered that option. 2) The docs also imply that you can use NetInfo Domain Setup to create a NetInfo parent. Again - I too didn't have any luck with this. Basically I had to fall back to manually creating the NetInfo parent... (which isn't documented anywhere and is obscure enough that if you're not psychic, an old NeXTie or have the proper connections you may never figure out how to do on your own...) Anyways I just did this last week so it's relatively fresh in my mind... if you hose your system trying this though It's Not My Fault (TM) 1) Launch NetInfo Manager, authenticate, from the menus select Domains->Manage Domains->Hierarchy. You'll be presented with a panel... choose Create a New Master Server on this host and click configure. Be patient, pray, sacrifice a few virgins. 2) At this point NetInfo manager crashed on me but your mileage may vary. It HAD succeeded in creating network.nidb in /var/db/netinfo/network.nidb though. 3) If it crashed or if you're just curious use nicl to explore the newly created network.nidb domain and make sure that it's configured correctly... At the root level of the network domain be sure that you have: master = /network In the machines section of the network domain there should be a directory for your server machine and it should contain the property: serves = ./network, /local (This notation indicates the serves property has 2 values (not a single value with a literal comma)) In the machines section of the network domain be sure that there are appropriate entries for each of your client machines with at least the following properties for each: name = serves = /local ip_address = xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx 4) Run Directory Setup.app, select NetInfo, select Configure... set it up to bind to the specific parent IP address of the server and the "network" domain. (Broadcast and DHCP binding won't work for binding the local netinfo server to a parent running on the same machine.) 5) Cross your fingers, burn incense, make the appropriate sacrifices to the NetInfo gods and then reboot in verbose mode paying careful attention to the netinfo messages... look to see if it successfully binds to a parent domain. (If it doesn't be patient.... after a couple of minutes it will time-out.) If it really gets stuck you can reboot single-user and use nicl in raw mode to attempt to fix things. 7) Once you're booted take a look around and see what's working... Do a ps and look for two instances of netinfod running (one for "local" and one for "network"). Try running NetInfoManager and clicking on the globe with the up-arrow... if this takes you to the parent domain then you're successfully bound to a parent. Sit back and enjoy the Power of Unix and the Simplicity of the Macintosh... or was it the other way around? :-) - Chris From rogerc at mac.com Tue Jun 5 14:56:08 2001 From: rogerc at mac.com (Roger Carlson) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:20 2005 Subject: Netinfo??? -10 Server In-Reply-To: <990986872734D51186EA00B0D03D95CC11B85E@ntexchange.msd.k12.wi.us> Message-ID: <200106052152.OAA07711@smtpout.mac.com> On Tuesday, June 5, 2001, at 01:07 PM, Egger, Jeremy wrote: > Has anyone here gotten Netinfo services to work properly. I finally got my > server to become a parent, and could see my parent domain in users and > groups. I have not been able to get a child to connect to this parent. I haven't played with netinfo since last november or so, under public beta. Obviously, there may be differences, but back then, one trick was that the client/children were looking for broadcast hosts for the netinfo parent. I forget how to do this, but try specifying a specific ip address for the netinfo parent rather than a broadcast address. I remember doing this in the client/child's netinfo manager, but don't remember where exactly. You should probably try this on a 2 machine lan first. There were times when I managed to screw up all kinds of broadcasted services, including appletalk and dhcp, for both 9 and 10, when I had a chatty and berserk netinfo server running. From nibs at mac.com Tue Jun 5 15:03:31 2001 From: nibs at mac.com (marquis logan) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:20 2005 Subject: (no subject)[lack of netinfo documentation] In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200106052200.PAA23971@smtpout.mac.com> this might help: http://enterprise.apple.com/cgi-bin/NABrowse?/NetInfo nibs On Tuesday, June 5, 2001, at 04:21 PM, Robert Phelan wrote: > Quick rant then question: > > When it comes to netinfo, the Admin Guide pdf that came with > OSXServer10.0 has got to be one of the most useless documents in > existence. "To do this, you have to do this, this and this, but we're > not going to tell you how to do those." "Oh, and while we're at it, > we're going to use completely different terminology between the > documentation and the actual utilities being described" (and the Mac > Help center is no better for this topic) > > Obviously I have become quite befuddled with the netinfo > manager/netinfodomain setup/directory setup tools. I'm trying to make > a simple, two tier (heck, 2 computer) domain model with one OSX Server > 10.0 machine and on OSX 10.0.3 machine to test the viability for future > OSX Lab machines. > > I've been working at this all day, following the instructions (hah!) in > the admin guide, trying to set up a "Parent/Shared/apple's random term" > domain on the OSX Server Machine. I tried using NetInfo Domain Setup > to make a parent domain as it says in the admin guide, but it seems to > do nothing when I select "This machine: is a NetInfo Parent" (with or > without the accompanying ip/tag info) and click save. The rest of my > time has been spent plugging away in the NetInfo manager, mostly under > the /Domain/Manage Domains menu which I have yet to figure out. > > Is it just me? Is there more documentation? > > Thanks, > Robert -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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It HAD succeeded in creating network.nidb in > /var/db/netinfo/network.nidb though. > Yes, it crashes after making the network.nidb while attempting to write the trusted_networks key in to the root of that database. this problem has been fixed. Eric From cwolf at wolfware.com Tue Jun 5 15:16:28 2001 From: cwolf at wolfware.com (Christopher Wolf) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:20 2005 Subject: OS X Server 10.0, NetInfo users, and AppleMailServer Message-ID: *This message was transferred with a trial version of CommuniGate(tm) Pro* Using OS X Server 10.0, has anyone succeeded in configuring an AppleMailServer IMAP account for a user defined in the parent/network domain of a 2 level NetInfo setup? When I try enabling mail for network user "foo" the server-admin tool instead seems to create some properties in /Users/foo in the servers local domain instead of in the parent (network) domain where the user is defined. When you try to connect to the IMAP account for that user it doesn't work. Additionally, the bogus entries for that username in the local domain prevent you from logging in as that user on the server machine. Using NetInfoManager to manually move the properties from the local to the network domain (and deleting the rest of the entry for that user in the local domain) restores that users ability to log in but does not make IMAP/mail work. - Chris From cwolf at wolfware.com Tue Jun 5 15:28:53 2001 From: cwolf at wolfware.com (Christopher Wolf) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:20 2005 Subject: Netinfo??? -10 Server In-Reply-To: <20010605221212.7EF6C5F17@smtp-1.enteract.com> Message-ID: *This message was transferred with a trial version of CommuniGate(tm) Pro* On Tuesday, June 5, 2001, at 06:11 PM, Eric Peyton wrote: > *This message was transferred with a trial version of CommuniGate(tm) > Pro* >> >> >> 1) Launch NetInfo Manager, authenticate, from the menus select >> Domains->Manage Domains->Hierarchy. You'll be presented with a >> panel... choose Create a New Master Server on this host and click >> configure. Be patient, pray, sacrifice a few virgins. > > Make sure you do NOT select "Limit administrative access to local > domain" on the create master server on this host panel. it will lead > to ... Thanks Eric. This was most-likely the cause of my crash... I believe I had selected that option. >> >> 2) At this point NetInfo manager crashed on me but your mileage may >> vary. It HAD succeeded in creating network.nidb in >> /var/db/netinfo/network.nidb though. >> > > Yes, it crashes after making the network.nidb while attempting to write > the trusted_networks key in to the root of that database. > > this problem has been fixed. > > Eric From ort at bergersen.no Tue Jun 5 15:56:48 2001 From: ort at bergersen.no (ort) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:20 2005 Subject: Multihoming + some info on OS 9 . . . In-Reply-To: <200106012138.OAA13260@mail.nexsi.com> Message-ID: <1220340707-5197441@bergersen.no> Hi! Thanks to you guys: Justin C., Giuliano et.al, I have now got things up working -- mostly! ;) I used your suggestion: # ifconfig en0 inet X.Y.Z.W netmask foo alias First I added the following local address: ifconfig en0 inet 10.0.1.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 After setting up this address I was able to connect to two different subnets using the finder (one official and one local address), mounting the IP aliased machine on both adresses from another machine (OS 9) as well getting Apache to respond on both addresses! :) Thanks! But, then I added a new address: ifconfig en0 inet 10.0.1.2 netmask 255.255.255.0 This time CLI came up with this response: ifconfig: ioctl (SIOCAIFADDR): File exists Due to this I have only been able to add One IP address in addition to the default IP address. I have two questions: 1) Is there a way to add third IP address without getting the error described above? 2) Earlier in the discussion about IP aliasing (to use its' proper name :), it came up that one do not have to add the router address as this is done automatically based on the netmask. According to this it seems to be a default router address in given subnet? Is there a rule here? If so, do one have to follow that rule or can one just set the router at an arbitrary address within the given IP range one is given by e.g. an ISP? IP aliasing support on OS 9 Someone asked me about IP aliasing on OS 9, in even though this list is focused on OS X I have to reply here, the email address to that person is stuck on a dead machine . . . :( IP aliasing on OS 9 is done through creating a text file called: IP Secondary Addresses, and placcing this file in the Preferences folder in the System folder. The text you add is, e.g: ip=10.0.1.0 sm=255.255.255.0 rt=0.0.0.0 You add a new line for every new IP, ip = the IP address you want to add, sm = subnet mask, rt = router address. You have to restart the machine for the address(es) to take effect. OS 9 seems to support multihoming on different subnets in its' TCP/IP implementation (on can ping all the addresses from another machine and one can add multiple addresses e.g. for web hosting), but if you turn on filesharing on the multihoming machine it will only share files from the IP address set in the TCP/IP control panel. At least that is my experience. Based on some test I have done, OS X does not have that limitation, i.e. if your turn on filesharing you can use either of the IP addresses to contact that specific machine through the "Connect to server" application in the Finder. Best regards, Richard Taubo On Friday, June 1, 2001, at 11:28 PM, Justin C. Walker wrote: > > On Friday, June 1, 2001, at 12:44 PM, ort wrote: > >> Hi! >> >> On Friday, June 1, 2001, at 08:53 PM, Justin C. Walker wrote: >> --snippet-- >> IP aliasing (which is what I assume you mean by 'multihoming') in the >> GUI >> --snippet-- >> >> If you mean that IP 1 is just a an alias for IP 2, then no. > > No, I mean assigning multiple IP addresses to a single network > interfaces. For example, > > % Name Mtu Network Address Ipkts Ierrs Opkts > Oerrs Coll > lo0 16384 2901 0 2901 > 0 0 > lo0 16384 127 127.0.0.1 2901 0 2901 > 0 0 > en0 1500 00.30.65.bf.8d.80 104349 0 2658 > 0 0 > en0 1500 172.18 172.18.14.142 104349 0 2658 > 0 0 > en0 1500 10.2.1/24 10.2.1.3 104349 0 2658 > 0 0 > > In the above, the '172' address has netmask 255.255.0.0 (which is its > "natural" mask, so netstat doesn't indicate it); while the '10' address > has netmask 255.255.255.0. On Darwin, and other Unices (including > Linux), this works "jest fine". > > The term 'multihoming' has been misused in the Mac community (thanks to > Apple, because of the desire for multihoming support in *some* form). > The usual term for this is "IP aliasing". > >> I am talking about two separate IP's. If e.g. one want to set up SSL >> on Apache for different domains I think one need separate IP's -- I >> don't think IP aliasing or virtual domains added in the httpd.conf >> file is enough (?!?). IP aliasing might be good enough for the >> situation I described in my initial post, but not for hosting of >> different SSL domains on a webserver (?) > > Should be no problem with the above. > >> --snippet-- >> > What do you mean by "I wasn't able to see the the different sub >> networks at the same time"? >> --snippet-- >> >> What I meant is that I could only connect to other machines on the >> first subnet through the finder (using 'Connect to server' option in >> the Finder). Is setting up other IP's using ifconfig limited to >> operations in the CLI? If so, is it even possible to connect to other >> subnets through the Finder? >> >> --snippet-- >> # ifconfig en0 inet X.Y.Z.W netmask foo alias >> --snippet-- >> >> foo in this case is the first subnet IP that I want to alias? >> If one have more aliases, do one still use en0 or en1 (I guess en0 is >> the default network card, and en1...n is used for additional network >> cards)?) > > In order to diagnose what's going wrong, I'd need more info (output > from "ifconfig -a", "netstat -rn", and "netstat -in", for a start). > > As for device naming, in Darwin, devices are named according to media > type, so ethernet interfaces are "en" followed by integer. En0 is the > built-in interface, and if airport is present, it is typically 'en1'. > As you note, others will be en2, ... > > Regards, > > Justin From Hugi at vefsyn.is Tue Jun 5 16:07:28 2001 From: Hugi at vefsyn.is (Hugi Thordarson) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:20 2005 Subject: Help, my files have disappeared! Message-ID: Hi all! I'm experiencing a rather chilling curiosity on my MOSX Server 1.2 box, all the files in my home directory have disappeared in the Workspace manager, but I can still see them from the Terminal! All I did was unzip one file, originally zipped on a Windows PC. I originally expanded it using OpenUp, it went into it's own directory in ~/Library/OpenUp/, but that directory seemed empty. Then I tried expanding it into my home directory using "unzip" in the Terminal, but then all my files disappeared! Has anyone seen this before? Cheers, Hugi // Hugi Thordarson // Development Mgr. // Vefs?n hf. - development, analysis, marketing // http://www.vefsyn.com/ From Hugi at vefsyn.is Tue Jun 5 16:14:41 2001 From: Hugi at vefsyn.is (Hugi Thordarson) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:20 2005 Subject: [Solved] Help, my files have disappeared! Message-ID: Sorry about that, I found the reason some minutes after I sent the mail. The reason was that there was an extended character in one of the filenames (?) in the zip-archive and Workspace Manager did not seem all to happy about that. And now I'm a much happier person :). Again, sorry! Cheers, Hugi > -----Original Message----- > From: Hugi Thordarson [mailto:Hugi@vefsyn.is] > Sent: 5. j?n? 2001 23:14 > To: 'macosx-admin@omnigroup.com' > Subject: Help, my files have disappeared! > > > Hi all! > > I'm experiencing a rather chilling curiosity on my MOSX > Server 1.2 box, all > the files in my home directory have disappeared in the > Workspace manager, > but I can still see them from the Terminal! > > All I did was unzip one file, originally zipped on a Windows PC. I > originally expanded it using OpenUp, it went into it's own > directory in > ~/Library/OpenUp/, but that directory seemed > empty. Then I > tried expanding it into my home directory using "unzip" in > the Terminal, but > then all my files disappeared! > > Has anyone seen this before? > > Cheers, > Hugi > > // Hugi Thordarson > // Development Mgr. > // Vefs?n hf. - development, analysis, marketing > // http://www.vefsyn.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-admin mailing list > MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin > From dev at humph.com Tue Jun 5 16:34:53 2001 From: dev at humph.com (Giuliano Gavazzi (dev)) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:20 2005 Subject: Multihoming + some info on OS 9 . . . In-Reply-To: <1220340707-5197441@bergersen.no> References: <1220340707-5197441@bergersen.no> Message-ID: At 12:50 AM +0200 2001/06/06, ort wrote: ... >I used your suggestion: ># ifconfig en0 inet X.Y.Z.W netmask foo alias > >First I added the following local address: >ifconfig en0 inet 10.0.1.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 .... >But, then I added a new address: >ifconfig en0 inet 10.0.1.2 netmask 255.255.255.0 > >This time CLI came up with this response: >ifconfig: ioctl (SIOCAIFADDR): File exists Of course, you forgot the alias at the end (and the netmask should have been 255.255.255.255). Actually, the SIOCAIFADDR, I think, is due to the netmask, as it is adding the same route (to the 10.0.1/24 network) again. ... > >2) Earlier in the discussion about IP aliasing (to use its' proper >name :), it came up that one do not have to add the router address >as this is done automatically based on the netmask. According to >this it seems to be a default router address in given subnet? Is >there a rule here? If so, do one have to follow that rule or can one >just set the router at an arbitrary address within the given IP >range one is given by e.g. an ISP? No, we were talking of "route" not "router". The route is the route to the new address (not needed as it is added automatically). The default route (that goes to the default router...) must still be added manually (in the hostconfig file), as any other route to any other network (but there is no support, for the moment, to add it to any configuration file). [editing, editing...] Giuliano -- H U M P H || ||| software development of: Java & C++ Server/Client/Human Interface applications on MacOS - MacOS X http://www.humph.com/ From dmz-lists at tffenterprises.com Tue Jun 5 16:45:31 2001 From: dmz-lists at tffenterprises.com (Daniel M. Zimmerman) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:20 2005 Subject: Local NetInfo Connection Failures Message-ID: <31545163.991759525@morden.cs.caltech.edu> Lately, I've been having a problem on all my Mac OS X and Mac OS X Server 10.0.3 machines - every so often, my apps will basically freeze for a minute or two, and then a line like this Jun 2 21:11:10 morden lookupd[190]: NetInfo connection failed for server 127.0.0.1/local will appear in the system log. Apps that I'm not interacting with tend to keep working during the freeze period, unless I tell them to do something that causes them to access NetInfo (like "cd " in Terminal.app) or try to access their menus. Some apps, like MulberryCarbon, keep running perfectly well during the freeze period even with menu accesses. I don't really understand what could be causing this, because I have very simple networking configurations (one Ethernet interface with a fixed IP, no other interfaces enabled at all) on all the machines that have exhibited this behavior. Basically, I'm wondering whether others have experienced this problem, and what (if anything) can be done to solve it. -Dan ------------------------------------------------------------------ Daniel M. Zimmerman TFF Enterprises M/S 256-80 - Caltech http://www.tffenterprises.com/ Pasadena, California 91125 USA dmz@tffenterprises.com From mbartosh at mac.com Tue Jun 5 16:53:00 2001 From: mbartosh at mac.com (Michael Bartosh) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:21 2005 Subject: Netinfo??? -10 Server In-Reply-To: <990986872734D51186EA00B0D03D95CC11B85E@ntexchange.msd.k12.w i.us> References: <990986872734D51186EA00B0D03D95CC11B85E@ntexchange.msd.k12.w i.us> Message-ID: At 3:07 PM -0500 6/5/01, Egger, Jeremy wrote: >Has anyone here gotten Netinfo services to work properly. I finally got my >server to become a parent, and could see my parent domain in users and >groups. I have not been able to get a child to connect to this parent. >Documentation, resources, and setup assistants are poor at best. So any type >of help would be appreciated. We have 9 buildings, 8 of these are schools >each has their own server, along with the middle and highschools having an >extra fileserver. The other, is a server at our district office we plan to >use as the parent domain. How should I go about setting this up. I would >hate to enter usernames and other information again and again. I heard from >my SE that the 1.2 version of server actually works and the setup assistant >works as well. What is Apple planning to do about this? Why include netinfo >if it doesn't work? First of all, look in the process viewer and make sure that there are two instances of the netinfo process- netinfod (local) and netinfod (network). If there are not, you need to create the Network domain: Open NetInfo Manager. Authenticate, and choose Domain->Manage Domains-Heirarchy. Choose "Create new master server on this host" (I think it is the last choice) Choose to not restrict administrative data to the local network. Beware of some very bad UI. The machine just sort of sits there, with the finish button blinking, while it does its juju. Just wait till its done. Once you are sure you have a network netinfod process: Open Directory Setup. Check NetInfo, and then choose the configure button. uncheck the first two boxes, if they are checked. Check the last box- connect to a specific IP- if it is not already checked. Supply you IP and choose network as the domain tag. Reboot. I have had some problems getting automounts to work- but network management of administrative data seems to work well after you jump through the above hoops. -mab > >Jeremy Egger >jjegger@msd.k12.wi.us >715.232.1642 >www.msd.k12.wi.us >718 N. Broadway >Menomonie WI 54751 >_______________________________________________ >macos-x-server mailing list >macos-x-server@lists.apple.com >http://www.lists.apple.com/mailman/listinfo/macos-x-server -- From nat at mulle-kybernetik.com Tue Jun 5 16:56:17 2001 From: nat at mulle-kybernetik.com (Nat!) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:21 2005 Subject: HFS+ or UFS? In-Reply-To: <20010605205628.C351BA886@spike.rna.nl> Message-ID: <200106052356.QAA18226@omnigroup.com> Am Dienstag, 5. Juni 2001 um 22:55 schrieb Sherlock Holmes: > On Tuesday, June 5, 2001, at 12:07 PM, Espen H. Koht wrote: > >> However, it can be argued that it is also a flaw in unix and keeping it >> causes more problems than it solves! > > This while discussion is somewhat theoretical. > > Even *if* case sensitiveness should be considered a flaw in unix (I > know at least one reason why I think case sensitiveness is also a good > thing, but let's not discuss this here), and even if it would > theoretically be good that we should have case insensitive file systems > only, we would still have a situation where 99% of the unix world has > case sensitive file systems. > So ? The standard problem for a developer is MAKEFILE and Makefile f.e. but usually case insensitivity is not much a problem under Unix either (as short filenames f.e. create). Also don't forget, that Mac OS X may very well become something like 50% of the unix world? (Ok don't nail me on the percentage, but you know what i mean) Nat! From eiger at databright.com Tue Jun 5 17:10:23 2001 From: eiger at databright.com (Lenny Eiger) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:21 2005 Subject: Upgrade to OS X Server Message-ID: Been using OS X 1.2 for a year and a half. No upgrade stinks. No word from Apple on it - that stinks. Been said. Regardelss, I still have to upgrade, the SSL alone wil make life easier, along with a few other things. I heard somewhere that the difference in price (500-1000) of the two upgrades, which I understand is the number of concurrent connections, is limited to WebObjects. With all due respect to some on this list, I think WebObjects is a waste of time, or maybe we can say I just don't want to depend on Apple anymore for software, except for this operating system (and maybe that only for a little while longer if they don't learn how to communicate). So, my question is this: can anyone confirm that I can have my unlimited connections on the $500 server upgrade as long as I don't use WebObjects, is this true? Thanks for any help. Lenny Eiger From chad at objectwerks.com Tue Jun 5 17:17:18 2001 From: chad at objectwerks.com (Chad Leigh, Objectwerks, Inc.) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:21 2005 Subject: Upgrade to OS X Server In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3929722466.991772200@[192.168.99.123]> --On Tuesday, June 05, 2001 5:02 PM -0700 Lenny Eiger wrote: > I heard somewhere that the difference in > price (500-1000) of the two upgrades, which I understand is the number of > concurrent connections, is limited to WebObjects. > > So, my question is this: can anyone confirm that I can have my unlimited > connections on the $500 server upgrade as long as I don't use WebObjects, > is this true? I do not believe this is true. I believe the connection limit is a client (ie Mac) limit. 10 client limit makes no sense in the context of WebObjects. Your best bet is to call your apple rep or the apple store to get an official word. Chad From ort at bergersen.no Tue Jun 5 17:19:25 2001 From: ort at bergersen.no (ort) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:21 2005 Subject: Multihoming + some info on OS 9 . . . In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1220335736-5496540@bergersen.no> Hi! On Wednesday, June 6, 2001, at 01:34 AM, Giuliano Gavazzi (dev) wrote: __snippet__ > Of course, you forgot the alias at the end (and the netmask should have > been 255.255.255.255). Actually, the SIOCAIFADDR, I think, is due to > the netmask, as it is adding the same route (to the 10.0.1/24 network) > again. --snippet-- You were right, that seems to work :) --snippet > No, we were talking of "route" not "router". The route is the route to > the new address (not needed as it is added automatically). The default > route (that goes to the default router...) must still be added manually > (in the hostconfig file), as any other route to any other network (but > there is no support, for the moment, to add it to any configuration > file). --snippet-- * How does it automatically figure out the new route? (You mean router address or gateway, not broadcast, don't you?). Is there a default route address in a given subnet? * You say: "The default route...must still be added manually...as any other route". Wasn't that done automatically? Or are you talking about/focusing on that you can not accomplish IP aliasing through the use of a configuration file (but rather use a startup script)? Best regards, Richard Taubo From njriley at uiuc.edu Tue Jun 5 17:27:34 2001 From: njriley at uiuc.edu (Nicholas Riley) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:21 2005 Subject: Upgrade to OS X Server In-Reply-To: ; from eiger@databright.com on Tue, Jun 05, 2001 at 05:02:58PM -0700 References: Message-ID: <20010605192911.F21795@uiuc.edu> On Tue, Jun 05, 2001 at 05:02:58PM -0700, Lenny Eiger wrote: > With all due respect to some on this list, I think WebObjects is a waste of > time, or maybe we can say I just don't want to depend on Apple anymore for > software, except for this operating system (and maybe that only for a little > while longer if they don't learn how to communicate). Um, ok. I actually feel (with the exception of the EOF/Objective-C debacle) that WebObjects has had pretty good treatment recently. That said, if there is a limitation in the WO deployment version in OS X Server (which I don't think there is) then it'd be in processors or transactions/second, like the old WebObjects licenses used to be. The 10 client limit is in simultaneous connections to AppleFileServer, and possibly AppleMailServer, I'd guess. -- Nicholas Riley | From cwolf at wolfware.com Tue Jun 5 18:12:54 2001 From: cwolf at wolfware.com (Christopher Wolf) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:21 2005 Subject: Netinfo??? -10 Server In-Reply-To: Message-ID: *This message was transferred with a trial version of CommuniGate(tm) Pro* On Tuesday, June 5, 2001, at 07:51 PM, Michael Bartosh wrote: > I have had some problems getting automounts to work- but network > management of administrative data seems to work well after you jump > through the above hoops. What sort of automounts are you trying to get to work? AFP or NFS? Static or dynamic? User home-directories or actual boot-time automounts? After banging my head against this for days I think I finally figured out the various caveats, limitations and workarounds. (Mostly :-) - Chris > > -mab > >> >> Jeremy Egger >> jjegger@msd.k12.wi.us >> 715.232.1642 >> www.msd.k12.wi.us >> 718 N. Broadway >> Menomonie WI 54751 >> _______________________________________________ >> macos-x-server mailing list >> macos-x-server@lists.apple.com >> http://www.lists.apple.com/mailman/listinfo/macos-x-server > > > -- _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-admin mailing list > MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin From njriley at uiuc.edu Tue Jun 5 18:59:30 2001 From: njriley at uiuc.edu (Nicholas Riley) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:21 2005 Subject: Upgrade to OS X Server In-Reply-To: <20010605192911.F21795@uiuc.edu>; from njriley@uiuc.edu on Tue, Jun 05, 2001 at 07:29:11PM -0500 References: <20010605192911.F21795@uiuc.edu> Message-ID: <20010605210107.A30748@uiuc.edu> On Tue, Jun 05, 2001 at 07:29:11PM -0500, Nicholas Riley wrote: > transactions/second, like the old WebObjects licenses used to be. The ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Yeah, I know I messed up here. Same difference. You get the idea. -- Nicholas Riley | From irfan at irfanrahman.com Tue Jun 5 21:35:38 2001 From: irfan at irfanrahman.com (Irfan Rahman) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:21 2005 Subject: Upgrade to OS X Server In-Reply-To: <20010605192911.F21795@uiuc.edu> Message-ID: As far as I know about MacOS X Server licence; * 10 user limitation is for AppleShare File Server only. * MAIL, WEB, FTP, DHCP, DNS, NETBOOT, IP FILTER services are separate from AFP and has no limitation. * MacOS X Server does not include WebObjects. That means you need to buy separate licence of WebObjects for $699, which has no limitation. ------ Irfan Rahman irfan@irfanrahman.com on 6/5/01 8:29 PM, Nicholas Riley at njriley@uiuc.edu wrote: > The > 10 client limit is in simultaneous connections to AppleFileServer, and > possibly AppleMailServer, I'd guess. From njriley at uiuc.edu Tue Jun 5 21:46:35 2001 From: njriley at uiuc.edu (Nicholas Riley) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:21 2005 Subject: Upgrade to OS X Server In-Reply-To: ; from irfan@irfanrahman.com on Wed, Jun 06, 2001 at 12:35:32AM -0400 References: <20010605192911.F21795@uiuc.edu> Message-ID: <20010605234817.C30748@uiuc.edu> On Wed, Jun 06, 2001 at 12:35:32AM -0400, Irfan Rahman wrote: > As far as I know about MacOS X Server licence; > > * 10 user limitation is for AppleShare File Server only. > * MAIL, WEB, FTP, DHCP, DNS, NETBOOT, IP FILTER services are separate from > AFP and has no limitation. > * MacOS X Server does not include WebObjects. That means you need to buy > separate licence of WebObjects for $699, which has no limitation. From irfan at irfanrahman.com Tue Jun 5 21:59:00 2001 From: irfan at irfanrahman.com (Irfan Rahman) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:21 2005 Subject: Upgrade to OS X Server In-Reply-To: <20010605234817.C30748@uiuc.edu> Message-ID: on 6/6/01 12:48 AM, Nicholas Riley at njriley@uiuc.edu wrote: >> * MacOS X Server does not include WebObjects. That means you need to buy >> separate licence of WebObjects for $699, which has no limitation. Sorry, I meant to say MacOS X Server does not include WebObjects Development Environment or the Application Server, but it includes the deployment tools. > The 10-user license detail page specifically mentions that WebObjects > Deployment is included. ------ Irfan Rahman irfan@irfanrahman.com From justin at mac.com Tue Jun 5 22:51:25 2001 From: justin at mac.com (Justin C. Walker) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:21 2005 Subject: Multihoming + some info on OS 9 . . . In-Reply-To: <1220335736-5496540@bergersen.no> Message-ID: <20010606055111.EZJL8623.femail1.sdc1.sfba.home.com@grinch> On Tuesday, June 5, 2001, at 05:12 PM, ort wrote: > Hi! > > On Wednesday, June 6, 2001, at 01:34 AM, Giuliano Gavazzi (dev) wrote: > --snippet >> No, we were talking of "route" not "router". The route is the >> route to the new address (not needed as it is added >> automatically). The default route (that goes to the default >> router...) must still be added manually (in the hostconfig file), >> as any other route to any other network (but there is no support, >> for the moment, to add it to any configuration file). > --snippet-- > > * How does it automatically figure out the new route? (You mean > router address or gateway, not broadcast, don't you?). Is there a > default route address in a given subnet? There is only one 'default' route, just as there is only one 'default' for a case statement :-}. It is what the system uses if there isn't a better choice in its routing database. There can't be more than one, although some systems providers have hacked up the infrastructure to appear to handle more than one (by using a 'round robin' scheme to choose which to select). The routing database is built up as follows: - a route to a directly connected subnet is automatically set up when an address is assigned to an interface, based on address and netmask. - a default route may be added if an agent adds it - other routes may be added by routing daemons, but again, this is not automatic. Most systems will have a default route and routes to directly attached subnets. If you are running a server with multiple interfaces (for example), you might add static routes, or run a routing daemon (e.g., routed, gated, zebra) that talks to other routers and learns about routes. > * You say: "The default route...must still be added manually...as > any other route". Wasn't that done automatically? Or are you > talking about/focusing on that you can not accomplish IP aliasing > through the use of a configuration file (but rather use a startup > script)? The only routes that can be added automatically are the ones implied by the assignment of addresses to interfaces. These routes just lead to the attached networks, not beyond. In order to get beyond, the system must learn routes, and an agent must install them. If you use DHCP or BOOTP, for example, your system will learn the default route from the server, and the 'agent' that talks to the BOOTP/DHCP server will install that route (ipconfigd, on Darwin). If not, you assign the router address manually (/etc/hostconfig). Hope that doesn't confuse things too much :-} Regards, Justin --- Justin C. Walker, Curmudgeon-At-Large * Institute for General Semantics | Director of Technology | It's not whether you win or lose... Nexsi Systems Corp. | It's whether *I* win or lose. 1959 Concourse Drive | San Jose, CA 95131 | *--------------------------------------*-------------------------------* From sanguish at digifix.com Tue Jun 5 22:52:16 2001 From: sanguish at digifix.com (Scott Anguish) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:21 2005 Subject: Upgrade to OS X Server In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wednesday, June 6, 2001, at 12:58 AM, Irfan Rahman wrote: > > > on 6/6/01 12:48 AM, Nicholas Riley at njriley@uiuc.edu wrote: > >>> * MacOS X Server does not include WebObjects. That means you need to >>> buy >>> separate licence of WebObjects for $699, which has no limitation. > > Sorry, I meant to say MacOS X Server does not include WebObjects > Development > Environment or the Application Server, but it includes the deployment > tools. > >> The 10-user license detail page specifically mentions that WebObjects >> Deployment is included. > Is this the 5.0 deployment, or 4.5.1? Or is it selectable? From irfan at irfanrahman.com Wed Jun 6 06:20:13 2001 From: irfan at irfanrahman.com (Irfan Rahman) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:21 2005 Subject: Upgrade to OS X Server In-Reply-To: Message-ID: WebObjects 5 Deployment with Mac OS X Server... MacOS X Server specs...http://www.apple.com/macosx/server/specs.html No mention of 4.5 anywhere. But I guess if you have 4.5 CD you can lead them from there?? Or, there is a fulfilment option, which might be helpful. ------ Irfan Rahman irfan@irfanrahman.com From chad at objectwerks.com Wed Jun 6 06:44:27 2001 From: chad at objectwerks.com (Chad Leigh, Objectwerks, Inc.) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:21 2005 Subject: Upgrade to OS X Server In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3978152216.991820630@[192.168.99.123]> According to Apple, it comes with a deployment only WebObjects license, unlimited connections. Chad --On Wednesday, June 06, 2001 12:35 AM -0400 Irfan Rahman wrote: > * MacOS X Server does not include WebObjects. That means you need to buy > separate licence of WebObjects for $699, which has no limitation. From chad at objectwerks.com Wed Jun 6 06:45:41 2001 From: chad at objectwerks.com (Chad Leigh, Objectwerks, Inc.) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:21 2005 Subject: Upgrade to OS X Server In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3978227248.991820705@[192.168.99.123]> The "application server" is the deployment. No development WO tools would be included in a deployment only Chad --On Wednesday, June 06, 2001 12:58 AM -0400 Irfan Rahman wrote: > Sorry, I meant to say MacOS X Server does not include WebObjects > Development Environment or the Application Server, but it includes the > deployment tools. From janos.lobb at yale.edu Wed Jun 6 06:46:54 2001 From: janos.lobb at yale.edu (=?iso-8859-1?Q?J=E1nos_L=F6bb?=) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:21 2005 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?[OT]_faceless_app_icons_with_OSXS=DF3.0?= Message-ID: <200106061346.f56DkfQ10829@pantheon-po01.its.yale.edu> Hi, Yesterday I installed OSXS?3.0 - I know the real thing is already out, but poor man is cooking with water - on an imac350. I left the server running overnight /in a closed room - what else a server should do/. This morning I found the machine re-booted itself and all the application icons lost their personalities. Logging into the machine I realized that the OS does not know anymore where my home folder is - probably because that got unblessed too. Is it a way to re-bless all these thing, or did I ran out of time ? Thanks ahead, J?nos "A cyber virgin has never had intercourse outside of virtual reality, whereas a virtual virgin has never had intercourse with a real person even in virtual reality" - Ray Kurzweil - "The age of spiritual machines" From simpson at cts.com Wed Jun 6 08:00:09 2001 From: simpson at cts.com (Michael Simpson) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:21 2005 Subject: HFS+ or UFS? In-Reply-To: <20010605205628.C351BA886@spike.rna.nl> References: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20010606074938.00a669a0@crash.cts.com> What is the point of arguing this? The Mac is not a UNIX system!!! It is a system the uses UNIX. Apple can implement the underlying mechanism as they see fit. Case sensitivity is a bug and a mistake. Only a bit head know that there is a difference between an 'a' and an 'A'. My mom and grandma don't know the difference. In addition, I doubt that they will ever compile any UNIX apps on their Macs. The people this is a pain for is programmers who want to run UNIX tools on their Mac. To quote that Mac is incompatible with the other UNIXs is funny. Every UNIX I've worked with is incompatible with every other UNIX. Why do you think the code is littered with #ifdef... and other hacks. Why do you think you need ./configure? Because the task has to go through the process of discovering the UNIX flavors. Figure out a way for ./configure to work around Mac's case insensitivity. Leave the UI and file system alone. It is fine for the audience it was intended for. Otherwise, use LinuxPPC. You are posting on macosx-admin. What is the administration issue here? You guys are just filling up my mailbox. I'm getting to the point where I just do wholesale delete on the mailbox so if someone were to actually have a question, I wouldn't ever see it. Michael At 10:55 PM 6/5/2001 +0200, you wrote: >On Tuesday, June 5, 2001, at 12:07 PM, Espen H. Koht wrote: > >>However, it can be argued that it is also a flaw in unix and keeping it >>causes more problems than it solves! > >This while discussion is somewhat theoretical. > >Even *if* case sensitiveness should be considered a flaw in unix (I know >at least one reason why I think case sensitiveness is also a good thing, >but let's not discuss this here), and even if it would theoretically be >good that we should have case insensitive file systems only, we would >still have a situation where 99% of the unix world has case sensitive file >systems. > >Practically, every incompatibility between Mac OS X and most other unixes >is a bad thing and you should only have incompatibilities if you really >have a good reason (for instance because something which you find more >important would break). > >Anyway, I am not against case insensitiveness in a file system per se. I >just want choice per directory because I do want as few problems as >possible when I want to use what is already there in the unix world. > >SH >_______________________________________________ >MacOSX-admin mailing list >MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com >http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin From artemio at eucmos.sim.ucm.es Wed Jun 6 09:01:08 2001 From: artemio at eucmos.sim.ucm.es (Artemio Gonzalez Lopez) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:21 2005 Subject: Unable to mount HD Message-ID: <200106061600.SAA0000000297@eucmos.sim.ucm.es> Recently I replaced Startup Disk 1.2 by 1.2.1. After booting in OS 9 and doing some work, I changed the startup system to OS X (I have OS 9 and OS X in 2 different partitions of the same disk) and rebooted. Alas, I got the blinking system folder. I then booted with the OS 9.1 CD, but unfortunately the hard drive didn't mount. I started Norton Utilites (from a zip), and it still didn't show the hard drive. Choosing "Show missing disks" from one of the menus finally made the two missing partitions show up in the list of volumes to be checked (but they were not mounted in the desktop). I proceeded to check both partitions with Disk Doctor. In both cases it found an error in the alternate Volume Header Block, that I chose to fix, but was still unable to mount any of the two partitions. I booted with the OS X CD and started the Disk Utility. It showed both partiitons, verified them and didn't find any problems. In fact, the installation screen showed both drives, and when I chose the one where Mac OS X installed it recognized this fact, because the space needed for the installation decreased from 1.1 Gb to about 450 Mb. However, upon restart I still got the blinking system folder. Does anybody have any idea how could I mount my hard drive, or at any rate how to recover the information on it (I'm really desperate at this point!) Any help would be appreciated! TIA, Artemio Gonzalez-Lopez e-mail: artemio@eucmos.sim.ucm.es http://www.ucm.es/info/metodos/artemio From jonas at zeus.rug.ac.be Wed Jun 6 09:08:29 2001 From: jonas at zeus.rug.ac.be (Jonas Maebe) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:21 2005 Subject: Unable to mount HD In-Reply-To: <200106061600.SAA0000000297@eucmos.sim.ucm.es> Message-ID: <200106061608.SAA09923@student6.rug.ac.be> On Wednesday, June 6, 2001, at 05:59 PM, Artemio Gonzalez Lopez wrote: > Does anybody have any idea how could I mount my hard drive, or at any > rate how to recover the information on it (I'm really desperate at this > point!) Any help would be appreciated! Disk Warrior (see ). And the next time you have a problem, first run Disk Warrior and only then Norton (Norton can sometimes make things worse otherwise). Jonas From patpro at patpro.net Wed Jun 6 09:44:33 2001 From: patpro at patpro.net (patpro) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:21 2005 Subject: mount mfs In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20010606074938.00a669a0@crash.cts.com> Message-ID: Hi, -- sorry to post this request without consulting the list archives but the omni search engine is broken : Proxy Error The proxy server could not handle the request GET?/search-bin/search.cgi. Reason: Host not found -- Hum, here is my question : Doe's anybody know if it's possible or not to mount an MFS (memory file system) on MacOSX 10.0.3, and if it's possible, what is the correct procedure ? thanx in advance, patpro -- () Campagne du ruban ascii... /\ Contre les mails en html, les vcards et les blaireaux From moetteli at mac.com Wed Jun 6 09:58:27 2001 From: moetteli at mac.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Philip_M=F6tteli?=) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:21 2005 Subject: (no subject) Message-ID: <200106061524.f56FOiw01337@hermes.moetteli.ch> From rob at prometheusmedia.com Wed Jun 6 10:35:06 2001 From: rob at prometheusmedia.com (Robert Brandtjen) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:21 2005 Subject: HFS+ or UFS? In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20010606074938.00a669a0@crash.cts.com> Message-ID: on 6/6/01 9:59 AM, Michael Simpson at simpson@cts.com wrote: > What is the point of arguing this? The Mac is not a UNIX system!!! It is > a system the uses UNIX. Apple can implement the underlying mechanism as > they see fit. Case sensitivity is a bug and a mistake. Only a bit head > know that there is a difference between an 'a' and an 'A'. My mom and > grandma don't know the difference. In addition, I doubt that they will > ever compile any UNIX apps on their Macs. Umm - because a lot of people who bought or are considering buying SERVER 2.0 are more then a little miffed that they cannot compile programs they need for their server's environment? Just maybe anyway. Apple does bill it as an "industrial strength OS with a Unix core" - or some such drivel. Robert Brandtjen -------------------------------------- Web Site Creation and Hosting Services Hostmaster@prometheusmedia.com www.prometheusmedia.com From mbartosh at mac.com Wed Jun 6 11:16:50 2001 From: mbartosh at mac.com (Michael Bartosh) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:21 2005 Subject: HFS+ or UFS? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: As I have said before (and as I have done myself on a Mac OS X Server box) simply keep a ufs partition around. A couple of gigs is plenty to compile some things. This is no different from linux, where I have to keep a couple of ext2 partitions around for various reasons. -mab At 12:34 PM -0500 6/6/01, Robert Brandtjen wrote: >on 6/6/01 9:59 AM, Michael Simpson at simpson@cts.com wrote: > >> What is the point of arguing this? The Mac is not a UNIX system!!! It is >> a system the uses UNIX. Apple can implement the underlying mechanism as >> they see fit. Case sensitivity is a bug and a mistake. Only a bit head >> know that there is a difference between an 'a' and an 'A'. My mom and >> grandma don't know the difference. In addition, I doubt that they will >> ever compile any UNIX apps on their Macs. > >Umm - because a lot of people who bought or are considering buying SERVER >2.0 are more then a little miffed that they cannot compile programs they >need for their server's environment? Just maybe anyway. Apple does bill it >as an "industrial strength OS with a Unix core" - or some such drivel. > > Robert Brandtjen > -------------------------------------- > Web Site Creation and Hosting Services > Hostmaster@prometheusmedia.com > www.prometheusmedia.com > >_______________________________________________ >MacOSX-admin mailing list >MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com >http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin -- From waltd at wdstudio.com Wed Jun 6 12:27:30 2001 From: waltd at wdstudio.com (Walter Lee Davis) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:21 2005 Subject: Upgrade to OS X Server In-Reply-To: Message-ID: The number of connections (as has been beaten to death on this list and others) relates to the number of concurrent AppleShare IP connections to the server from Mac OS 8-9 or X clients. That's the only limit (other than hardware) that this OS has at all. Walter On 6/5/01 8:02 PM, "Lenny Eiger" wrote: > Been using OS X 1.2 for a year and a half. No upgrade stinks. No word from > Apple on it - that stinks. Been said. > > Regardelss, I still have to upgrade, the SSL alone wil make life easier, > along with a few other things. I heard somewhere that the difference in > price (500-1000) of the two upgrades, which I understand is the number of > concurrent connections, is limited to WebObjects. > > With all due respect to some on this list, I think WebObjects is a waste of > time, or maybe we can say I just don't want to depend on Apple anymore for > software, except for this operating system (and maybe that only for a little > while longer if they don't learn how to communicate). > > So, my question is this: can anyone confirm that I can have my unlimited > connections on the $500 server upgrade as long as I don't use WebObjects, is > this true? > > Thanks for any help. > > Lenny Eiger > > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-admin mailing list > MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin > From mdesy at laser-registration.com Wed Jun 6 12:37:03 2001 From: mdesy at laser-registration.com (Michel Desy) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:21 2005 Subject: MYSQL on OSXS 1.2 Message-ID: Hi all, I'm trying to install Mysql 3.23.38 on OSXS 1.2 and I'm running into some problems. I've installed pthreads from http://www.prnet.de/RegEx/mysql.html as instructed, but I run into: /usr/bin/ld: Undefined symbols: _pthread_condattr_destroy _pthread_condattr_init make[2]: *** [myisamchk] Error 1 make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 make: *** [all-recursive-am] Error 2 during compiling. Anybody knows what the problem is and what I should do to fix it? Thanks, -- Michel Desy Systems Co-Administrator Laser Registration Inc. Montr?al, Qu?bec From sfranks at mac.com Wed Jun 6 14:29:29 2001 From: sfranks at mac.com (sfranks@mac.com) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:21 2005 Subject: Upgrade to OS X Server In-Reply-To: <20010605192911.F21795@uiuc.edu> Message-ID: <200106062127.OAA07107@smtpout.mac.com> There is no longer a WO deployment limitation, that went away with the price drop a year ago. It wouldn't make much since to sell a $699 upgrade to a $499 product. ??? The limitation is only on AFP connections Scott Franks Enterprise Network Specialist On Tuesday, June 5, 2001, at 05:29 PM, Nicholas Riley wrote: > On Tue, Jun 05, 2001 at 05:02:58PM -0700, Lenny Eiger wrote: >> With all due respect to some on this list, I think WebObjects is a >> waste of >> time, or maybe we can say I just don't want to depend on Apple anymore >> for >> software, except for this operating system (and maybe that only for a >> little >> while longer if they don't learn how to communicate). > > Um, ok. I actually feel (with the exception of the EOF/Objective-C > debacle) that WebObjects has had pretty good treatment recently. > > That said, if there is a limitation in the WO deployment version in OS > X Server (which I don't think there is) then it'd be in processors or > transactions/second, like the old WebObjects licenses used to be. The > 10 client limit is in simultaneous connections to AppleFileServer, and > possibly AppleMailServer, I'd guess. > > -- > Nicholas Riley | > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-admin mailing list > MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin From rand at enteract.com Wed Jun 6 15:10:12 2001 From: rand at enteract.com (Rand) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:21 2005 Subject: HFS+ or UFS? Message-ID: <20010606220938.C9AAC68DE@smtp-2.enteract.com> >As I have said before (and as I have done myself on a Mac OS X Server box) simply keep a ufs partition around. I agree, anyway arguing this over and over is a moot point. You do have a choice. I have OS X installed on a UFS partition as my primary boot partition. Then I have a HFS+ partition with all my classic apps. You have to do some gerry rigging to get classic to run with this setup and the downside is the classic side cannot see the UFS partition. If you want to do this sort of thing, all you need to do is move the Classic Startup.app over to the HFS+ partition and create a symbollic link to the app where the original used to be. You have to use a resource fork aware tool to do the move, unix cp won't work but the finder will. I *need* the case sensitivity for all the reasons mentioned in this thread, so I must be a bit head. So be it, but I'm not going to tell someone else they have to do it my way, apple has (thank god) given us the option so exercise that option and move on. Rand From lists at colorremedies.com Wed Jun 6 18:03:21 2001 From: lists at colorremedies.com (Chris Murphy) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:21 2005 Subject: Upgrade to OS X Server Message-ID: <200106070103.SAA22009@avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net> >So, my question is this: can anyone confirm that I can have my unlimited >connections on the $500 server upgrade as long as I don't use WebObjects, is >this true? As far as I can tell, the ONLY thing that is limited between the $500 version and the $1000 version is number of clients simultaneously connected for FILE SHARING. The $500 version = 10 and the $1000 version is unlimited. Chris Murphy Color Remedies (tm) Boulder, CO 303-415-9932 From sherlock at rna.nl Wed Jun 6 18:06:03 2001 From: sherlock at rna.nl (Sherlock Holmes) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:21 2005 Subject: HFS+ or UFS? In-Reply-To: <20010606220938.C9AAC68DE@smtp-2.enteract.com> Message-ID: <20010607000646.4619FA9C0@spike.rna.nl> On Thursday, June 7, 2001, at 12:09 AM, Rand wrote: > >As I have said before (and as I have done myself on a Mac OS X Server > box) simply keep a ufs partition around. There is a reason why this solution is 2nd best: very large files/bundles. Splitting my disk into two partitions severely limits the possibility to edit (for instance) large iMovie files. I will do it if I have to, but I don't like it. I rather have one partition. Of course, then the question becomes: HFS+ Mac OS X startup partition + UFS partition for unix stuff or UFS Mac OS X startup and HFS+ partition for Mac OS/Classic What minimum sized do people recommend? SH From lists at colorremedies.com Wed Jun 6 18:06:29 2001 From: lists at colorremedies.com (Chris Murphy) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:21 2005 Subject: Netinfo??? -10 Server Message-ID: <200106070106.SAA15723@hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net> Christopher Wolf writes: >What sort of automounts are you trying to get to work? AFP or NFS? >Static or dynamic? User home-directories or actual boot-time automounts? I have problems getting home-directories to automount via NFS. They appear to be getting exported correctly, but are not mounted (imported), so I get error messages on login saying that this user's home directory is not available. >After banging my head against this for days I think I finally figured >out the various caveats, limitations and workarounds. (Mostly :-) Ready to receive transmission. Chris Murphy Color Remedies (tm) Boulder, CO 303-415-9932 From C.G.Kay at massey.ac.nz Wed Jun 6 18:23:41 2001 From: C.G.Kay at massey.ac.nz (Cameron Kay) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:21 2005 Subject: Apple System Restore for Mac OS X Message-ID: <200106070122.NAA00431@its-campus1.massey.ac.nz> Does anyone know if Apple will be releasing a copy of version of Disk Copy and Apple System Restore that will work with Mac OS X images. The version of Disk Copy that comes with X doesn't seem to let you create images, and I wonder if you have to be booted of X before you can build or restore a X image? - Cameron From cwolf at wolfware.com Wed Jun 6 19:08:43 2001 From: cwolf at wolfware.com (Christopher Wolf) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:21 2005 Subject: Netinfo??? -10 Server In-Reply-To: <200106070106.SAA15723@hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net> Message-ID: *This message was transferred with a trial version of CommuniGate(tm) Pro* On Wednesday, June 6, 2001, at 09:06 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: > *This message was transferred with a trial version of CommuniGate(tm) > Pro* > Christopher Wolf writes: > >> What sort of automounts are you trying to get to work? AFP or NFS? >> Static or dynamic? User home-directories or actual boot-time >> automounts? > > I have problems getting home-directories to automount via NFS. They > appear to be getting exported correctly, but are not mounted (imported), > so I get error messages on login saying that this user's home directory > is not available. Assume that your user's home directories are being exported from /Volumes/Shared/Users In the *local* netinfo domain of the server you should have an entry under /exports which looks like this: clients: skywalker organa solo name: /Volumes/Shared/Users opts: maproot=root Notes: 1) there's no way I've found to set the maproot=root opts value using the X Server GUI admin tool.. which I consider to be a bug. 2) "skywalker" "organa" and "solo" are the client machines which I wish to allow to mount this directory In the *network* netinfo domain of the server you should have a corresponding entry under /mounts which looks like this: vfstype: nfs opts: bg dir: /Network/Users name: kenobi:/Volumes/Shared/Users Notes: 1) kenobi is the name of the server 2) there's no way to specify the bg opt in the X Server GUI. if you don't specify this opt then the server itself may hang upon rebooting as it blocks trying to mount its own exports For each of your users who has a NFS homedir their entry under /users should contain: home: /Network/Users/cwolf Notes: 1) cwolf is the name of the user in this example 2) if there's a "homedirtype" or "home_loc" property you probably want to delete it You may need to reboot the server after changing the user's homedir specifications. You will need to reboot the client to get the new mounts to take effect. > >> After banging my head against this for days I think I finally figured >> out the various caveats, limitations and workarounds. (Mostly :-) > > Ready to receive transmission. > > Chris Murphy > Color Remedies (tm) > Boulder, CO > 303-415-9932 > > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-admin mailing list > MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin From lists at colorremedies.com Wed Jun 6 20:20:26 2001 From: lists at colorremedies.com (Chris Murphy) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:21 2005 Subject: Netinfo??? -10 Server Message-ID: <200106070319.UAA17362@swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net> >Assume that your user's home directories are being exported from > /Volumes/Shared/Users > >In the *local* netinfo domain of the server you should have an entry >under /exports which looks like this: > >clients: skywalker organa solo >name: /Volumes/Shared/Users >opts: maproot=root that's weird - so instead of it being /Volumes/localHD/Users, it's some fictional directory. Any wonder why I couldn't figure it out. >1) there's no way I've found to set the maproot=root opts value using >the X Server GUI admin tool.. which I consider to be a bug. That I do either with NFS Manager or NetInfoManager. I'm not sure what it means, but I remember Eric Peyton saying this a number of months ago re: OS X public beta. >In the *network* netinfo domain of the server you should have a >corresponding entry under /mounts which looks like this: > >vfstype: nfs >opts: bg >dir: /Network/Users >name: kenobi:/Volumes/Shared/Users Bizarre. OK so this entry tells NetInfo to import the fictional directory /Volumes/Shared/Users from machine kenobi, and mount is as /Network/Users. >2) there's no way to specify the bg opt in the X Server GUI. if you >don't specify this opt then the server itself may hang upon rebooting as >it blocks trying to mount its own exports Oh joy. >For each of your users who has a NFS homedir their entry under /users >should contain: > >home: /Network/Users/cwolf Got that no problem. The thing I was missing was the export directory was incorrect. I will try this once I get another machine in here again. >You may need to reboot the server after changing the user's homedir >specifications. You will need to reboot the client to get the new >mounts to take effect. Yep. Thanks, Chris Murphy Color Remedies (tm) Boulder, CO 303-415-9932 From mbartosh at mac.com Wed Jun 6 20:42:38 2001 From: mbartosh at mac.com (Michael Bartosh) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:21 2005 Subject: Netinfo??? -10 Server In-Reply-To: <200106070106.SAA15723@hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net> References: <200106070106.SAA15723@hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net> Message-ID: At 7:06 PM -0600 6/6/01, Chris Murphy wrote: >Christopher Wolf writes: > >>What sort of automounts are you trying to get to work? AFP or NFS? >>Static or dynamic? User home-directories or actual boot-time automounts? > >I have problems getting home-directories to automount via NFS. They >appear to be getting exported correctly, but are not mounted (imported), >so I get error messages on login saying that this user's home directory >is not available. Hmmm. I'm having no problem with NFS mounts, the only caveat being that via the gui as far as I can tell there's no way to specify that domain-wide mounts bt tcp only. Which can create a problem, since you can tell the server to only export via tcp (imagine serving via tcp but all the clients are trying to mount via udp). nicl or NFS Manager to the rescue. > >After banging my head against this for days I think I finally figured >>out the various caveats, limitations and workarounds. (Mostly :-) > >Ready to receive transmission. What happens when you try to run the mounts manually (or are you dynamically mounting?) >Chris Murphy >Color Remedies (tm) >Boulder, CO >303-415-9932 > >_______________________________________________ >MacOSX-admin mailing list >MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com >http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin -- From cwolf at wolfware.com Wed Jun 6 21:25:36 2001 From: cwolf at wolfware.com (Christopher Wolf) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:21 2005 Subject: Netinfo??? -10 Server In-Reply-To: <200106070319.UAA17362@swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net> Message-ID: *This message was transferred with a trial version of CommuniGate(tm) Pro* On Wednesday, June 6, 2001, at 11:19 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: > *This message was transferred with a trial version of CommuniGate(tm) > Pro* >> Assume that your user's home directories are being exported from >> /Volumes/Shared/Users >> >> In the *local* netinfo domain of the server you should have an entry >> under /exports which looks like this: >> >> clients: skywalker organa solo >> name: /Volumes/Shared/Users >> opts: maproot=root > > that's weird - so instead of it being /Volumes/localHD/Users, it's some > fictional directory. Any wonder why I couldn't figure it out. I'm not sure what you're talking about - there's nothing fictional about that path. See the first line of my message... my "local hard disk" (the one I'm using in this example) is actually named "Shared" >> 1) there's no way I've found to set the maproot=root opts value using >> the X Server GUI admin tool.. which I consider to be a bug. > > That I do either with NFS Manager or NetInfoManager. I'm not sure what > it > means, but I remember Eric Peyton saying this a number of months ago re: > OS X public beta. > >> In the *network* netinfo domain of the server you should have a >> corresponding entry under /mounts which looks like this: >> >> vfstype: nfs >> opts: bg >> dir: /Network/Users >> name: kenobi:/Volumes/Shared/Users > > Bizarre. OK so this entry tells NetInfo to import the fictional > directory > /Volumes/Shared/Users from machine kenobi, and mount is as > /Network/Users. > > >> 2) there's no way to specify the bg opt in the X Server GUI. if you >> don't specify this opt then the server itself may hang upon rebooting >> as >> it blocks trying to mount its own exports > > Oh joy. > > >> For each of your users who has a NFS homedir their entry under /users >> should contain: >> >> home: /Network/Users/cwolf > > Got that no problem. The thing I was missing was the export directory > was > incorrect. I will try this once I get another machine in here again. > > >> You may need to reboot the server after changing the user's homedir >> specifications. You will need to reboot the client to get the new >> mounts to take effect. > > Yep. Thanks, > > Chris Murphy > Color Remedies (tm) > Boulder, CO > 303-415-9932 > From mbartosh at mac.com Wed Jun 6 21:29:03 2001 From: mbartosh at mac.com (Michael Bartosh) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:21 2005 Subject: Netinfo??? -10 Server In-Reply-To: <200106070319.UAA17362@swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net> References: <200106070319.UAA17362@swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net> Message-ID: At 9:19 PM -0600 6/6/01, Chris Murphy wrote: > >Assume that your user's home directories are being exported from >> /Volumes/Shared/Users >> >>In the *local* netinfo domain of the server you should have an entry >>under /exports which looks like this: >> >>clients: skywalker organa solo >>name: /Volumes/Shared/Users >>opts: maproot=root > >that's weird - so instead of it being /Volumes/localHD/Users, it's some >fictional directory. Any wonder why I couldn't figure it out. I don't think there are any fictional directories involved. I did not have to invent any. > >1) there's no way I've found to set the maproot=root opts value using >>the X Server GUI admin tool.. which I consider to be a bug. > >That I do either with NFS Manager or NetInfoManager. I'm not sure what it >means, but I remember Eric Peyton saying this a number of months ago re: >OS X public beta. > >>In the *network* netinfo domain of the server you should have a >>corresponding entry under /mounts which looks like this: >> >>vfstype: nfs >>opts: bg >>dir: /Network/Users >>name: kenobi:/Volumes/Shared/Users > >Bizarre. OK so this entry tells NetInfo to import the fictional directory >/Volumes/Shared/Users from machine kenobi, and mount is as /Network/Users. Again- my mount entry look like: vfstype nfs name snatch:/Shared Items/Users/ dir /Network/Users (btw, I didn't see vfstype in your entries?) No need for fake directories- I think the /Volumes thing was due to a seperate partition? (that's all I've ever seen in /Volumes) > >>2) there's no way to specify the bg opt in the X Server GUI. if you >>don't specify this opt then the server itself may hang upon rebooting as >>it blocks trying to mount its own exports > >Oh joy. Haven't had this problem. > >>For each of your users who has a NFS homedir their entry under /users >>should contain: >> >>home: /Network/Users/cwolf > >Got that no problem. The thing I was missing was the export directory was >incorrect. I will try this once I get another machine in here again. > Hmm. I'm in Arvada. If there's anyone in the Denver area that wants to get together and have a Server Day and run through all this stuff, that'd be cool (I can pull in 4-5 people I know would be interested). I am still having issues with AFP automounts. (NFS never really posed a problem here...) -mab > >You may need to reboot the server after changing the user's homedir >>specifications. You will need to reboot the client to get the new >>mounts to take effect. > >Yep. Thanks, > >Chris Murphy >Color Remedies (tm) >Boulder, CO >303-415-9932 > >_______________________________________________ >MacOSX-admin mailing list >MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com >http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin -- From Jacques.Menu at epfl.ch Wed Jun 6 23:09:25 2001 From: Jacques.Menu at epfl.ch (Jacques Menu) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:21 2005 Subject: Unable to mount HD In-Reply-To: <200106061600.SAA0000000297@eucmos.sim.ucm.es> Message-ID: <200106070609.XAA20932@omnigroup.com> Hello Artemio, The same kind of behaviour occured to my apprentice after he had moved OS X and OS 9 folders to sub-folders instead of leaving them at the main partition level. Did you do that kind of thing ? Jacques, > Recently I replaced Startup Disk 1.2 by 1.2.1. After booting in OS 9 > and doing some work, I changed the startup system to OS X (I have OS 9 > and OS X in 2 different partitions of the same disk) and rebooted. > Alas, I got the blinking system folder. I then booted with the OS 9.1 > CD, but unfortunately the hard drive didn't mount. I started Norton > Utilites (from a zip), and it still didn't show the hard drive. > Choosing "Show missing disks" from one of the menus finally made the > two missing partitions show up in the list of volumes to be checked > (but they were not mounted in the desktop). I proceeded to check both > partitions with Disk Doctor. In both cases it found an error in the > alternate Volume Header Block, that I chose to fix, but was still > unable to mount any of the two partitions. I booted with the OS X CD > and started the Disk Utility. It showed both partiitons, verified them > and didn't find any problems. In fact, the installation screen showed > both drives, and when I chose the one where Mac OS X installed it > recognized this fact, because the space needed for the installation > decreased from 1.1 Gb to about 450 Mb. However, upon restart I still > got the blinking system folder. > > Does anybody have any idea how could I mount my hard drive, or at any > rate how to recover the information on it (I'm really desperate at this > point!) Any help would be appreciated! From morten.ronseth at rayon.no Wed Jun 6 23:42:29 2001 From: morten.ronseth at rayon.no (Morten R=?ISO-8859-1?B?+A==?=nseth) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:21 2005 Subject: OSX swapfiles Message-ID: Hi, I have recently noticed that OSX keeps creating new swapfiles for some reason or other but the old swapfiles are never deleted. Now, since these are 76.2 MB in size each (80.000.000 bytes) they take up a fair amount of disk space after a while. I have 640 MB of physical memory installed and as far as I can see there are now 11 swapfiles...is there a good reason for this? Cheers, -Morten ------------------------------------------------------------------- Rayon Interactive AS http://www.rayon.no Morten Lerskau R?nseth mailto:morten.ronseth@rayon.no Karenslyst All? 16d Tlf.: (47) 2213 5250 0278 Oslo Fax : (47) 2213 5260 Norway ICQ: 25163080 PGP fingerprint: F851 91B6 1D81 1409 8B62 3E14 5A60 65F8 5AF4 56AF From patpro at patpro.net Wed Jun 6 23:54:18 2001 From: patpro at patpro.net (patpro) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:21 2005 Subject: OSX swapfiles In-Reply-To: Message-ID: le 7/06/01 8:44, Morten R?nseth ? morten.ronseth@rayon.no a ?crit?: > Hi, > > I have recently noticed that OSX keeps creating new swapfiles for some > reason or other but the old swapfiles are never deleted. Now, since these > are 76.2 MB in size each (80.000.000 bytes) they take up a fair amount of > disk space after a while. > > I have 640 MB of physical memory installed and as far as I can see there are > now 11 swapfiles...is there a good reason for this? no, I can't believe you flood 640MB RAM plus 11 swapfiles in every day use. Is NOT possible if the system functions properly. Sounds you have a memory leak somewhere. Could you list active applications/process ? On the Public Beta I managed to flood my 448MB RAM and creating 10 swapfiles just by reading a copy of a swapfile in TextEdit. But TextEdit release all the memory after its quit. Have you edited your /etc/rc ? patpro -- "Rien ne se perd, rien ne se cr?e, tout s'empile" - Mon Bureau - From dev at humph.com Thu Jun 7 01:40:56 2001 From: dev at humph.com (Giuliano Gavazzi (dev)) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:21 2005 Subject: Bug in program or kernel? mach_port_type() failed Message-ID: Hello all, since some Darwin people are hanging out here (and some long term NeXT admins) let me ask here if the following incident is just a one off accident, a program bug or what. [drum:~] g% nslookup Note: nslookup is deprecated and may be removed from future releases. Consider using the `dig' or `host' programs instead. Run nslookup with the `-sil[ent]' option to prevent this message from appearing. > server localhost [here it took a long time before getting to the next line, perhaps because the default nameserver took a long time to resolve localhost, perhaps not. Default server: localhost Address: 127.0.0.1#53 > ^Z <---- here I try to suspend the process [1] + 1675 Suspended nslookup *** malloc[1450]: error: Can't allocate region mach_port_type() failed (ipc/rcv) msg too large task_get_bootstrap_port() failed (ipc/mig) wrong reply message ID ** Server Closed Connection ** and my ssh connection closes down. The relevant system messages are: Jun 7 09:22:25 drum lookupd[173]: DNSAgent: dns_send_query_server - timeout for 193.123.246.1 Jun 7 09:22:35 drum last message repeated 2 times Jun 7 09:22:35 drum lookupd[173]: DNSAgent: dns_fqdn_query_server - query failed for 193.123.246.1 Jun 7 09:22:41 drum sshd[1410]: Disconnecting: Command terminated on signal 6. This is an isolated incident with no serious consequences, still it is the symptom of something wrong. Ideas? Thanks Giuliano -- H U M P H || ||| software development of: Java & C++ Server/Client/Human Interface applications on MacOS - MacOS X http://www.humph.com/ From bkerstetter at mac.com Thu Jun 7 08:03:36 2001 From: bkerstetter at mac.com (Bob Kerstetter) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:21 2005 Subject: Apple System Restore for Mac OS X In-Reply-To: <200106070122.NAA00431@its-campus1.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <200106071458.HAA27747@smtpout.mac.com> On Wednesday, June 6, 2001, at 08:22 PM, Cameron Kay wrote: > Does anyone know if Apple will be releasing a copy of version of Disk > Copy and Apple System Restore that will work with Mac OS X images. The > version of Disk Copy that comes with X doesn't seem to let you create > images, and I wonder if you have to be booted of X before you can build > or restore a X image? Don't know about Apple releasing anything, but you can restore the installation by rerunning the installer. It replaces everything at the system level with 10.0. It wipes out the .2 and .3 updates and appears to leave the .1 update in place. (Stranger than sci-fi.) It does not touch your open source or third party apps. As a member of the unix-ish newcomers club, i did the above mention "re-install" to try to recover from a newcomer mistake. Had to reinstall .2 and .3 updates, but everything is working well, now. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/enriched Size: 978 bytes Desc: not available Url : /mailman/archive/macosx-admin/attachments/20010607/f6472194/attachment.bin From lists at colorremedies.com Thu Jun 7 08:21:02 2001 From: lists at colorremedies.com (Chris Murphy) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:21 2005 Subject: Netinfo??? -10 Server Message-ID: <200106071520.IAA26132@hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net> >Hmm. I'm in Arvada. If there's anyone in the Denver area that wants >to get together and have a Server Day and run through all this stuff, >that'd be cool (I can pull in 4-5 people I know would be interested). >I am still having issues with AFP automounts. (NFS never really posed >a problem here...) I'm in Boulder. That would be a possibility since Apple has virtually no presence in Colorado. Local Apple Solution Experts were supposed to have a Technical Kitchen on OS X Server last night, but it was canceled a week ago. It should be rescheduled but we haven't heard when yet. The thing is, I had NFS exports and mounts working with OS X public beta. After one of the late betas and then the final release (and subsequent versions) I have been unable to do this. I'll try again and report back what I find. (I am not trying to do this with Server, BTW, just plain old Mac OS X.) Chris Murphy Color Remedies (tm) Boulder, CO 303-415-9932 From jonas at zeus.rug.ac.be Thu Jun 7 08:32:56 2001 From: jonas at zeus.rug.ac.be (Jonas Maebe) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:21 2005 Subject: Fwd: Local NetInfo Connection Failures Message-ID: <200106071532.RAA11479@student6.rug.ac.be> Hello, This mail somehow didn't come through the first time, trying again... (it's not in the archives either) Jonas *** Begin forwarded message: > From: Jonas Maebe > Date: woe jun 06, 2001 01:44:44 Europe/Brussels > To: "Daniel M. Zimmerman" > Cc: macosx-admin@omnigroup.com > Subject: Re: Local NetInfo Connection Failures > > > On Wednesday, June 6, 2001, at 01:45 AM, Daniel M. Zimmerman wrote: > >> Lately, I've been having a problem on all my Mac OS X and Mac OS X >> Server 10.0.3 machines - every so often, my apps will basically freeze >> for a minute or two, and then a line like this >> >> Jun 2 21:11:10 morden lookupd[190]: NetInfo connection failed for >> server 127.0.0.1/local >> >> will appear in the system log. > > See talk/2001-May/014350.html> for a post I made about this problem in > macosx-talk (to which I am no longer subscribed now). For those not > feeling like reading it: it boils down to the fact that I've > experienced this problem already several times myself, an URL where you > can find more info on the problem (at stepwise.com) and that I've > reported the problem to apple, but that they closed it as > "Unreproducable". > >> Basically, I'm wondering whether others have experienced this problem, >> and what (if anything) can be done to solve it. > > The only thing you can do is always keep an open terminal window in > which you have su'd to root. When the problem manifests itself, use > > ps axwww|grep lookupd > kill -HUP > > Make sure your don't use the "u" option of ps, because that requires > the lookupd functionality too. > > > Jonas From hevans at morrice.com Thu Jun 7 09:12:13 2001 From: hevans at morrice.com (Hugh Evans) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:21 2005 Subject: Can Server authenticate Win2k clients In-Reply-To: <200106071520.IAA26132@hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net> References: <200106071520.IAA26132@hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net> Message-ID: I have been told that Samba in the new Server is 2.0.8 - and that this will not reliably authenticate Win2k clients... Apparently these issues were not fixed until Samba 2.2.0 I am concerned that because of the integration of Samba with NetInfo and other Apple services - it will be impossible to update to Samba 2.2.0. without breaking something. Indeed, is there any patch available to get Samba on OSX current? Can somebody comment on Win2K authentication issues.... I had planned to retire a Linux and Win2K server and replace them with an Apple PDC Solution... - 75% of my clients are Win2K. Any insights would be appreciated Regards, Hugh Evans -- From mbartosh at mac.com Thu Jun 7 09:20:04 2001 From: mbartosh at mac.com (Michael Bartosh) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:21 2005 Subject: Apple System Restore for Mac OS X In-Reply-To: <200106071458.HAA27747@smtpout.mac.com> References: <200106071458.HAA27747@smtpout.mac.com> Message-ID: At 9:58 AM -0500 6/7/01, Bob Kerstetter wrote: > On Wednesday, June 6, 2001, at 08:22 PM, Cameron Kay wrote: > >>Does anyone know if Apple will be releasing a copy of version of >>Disk Copy and Apple System Restore that will work with Mac OS X >>images. The version of Disk Copy that comes with X doesn't seem to >>let you create images, and I wonder if you have to be booted of X >>before you can build or restore a X image? I can't talk about that but >Don't know about Apple releasing anything, but you can restore the >installation by rerunning the installer. It replaces everything at >the system level with 10.0. It wipes out the .2 and .3 updates and >appears to leave the .1 update in place. (Stranger than sci-fi.) It >does not touch your open source or third party apps. > >As a member of the unix-ish newcomers club, i did the above mention >"re-install" to try to recover from a newcomer mistake. Had to >reinstall .2 and .3 updates, but everything is working well, now. You can also create "customized" boot cd's (the cats that built in support for 604's did this I think). -Make a Toast image of the Mac OS X CD -through Toast, mount the image -Add the .03 and .03 packages (and any other packages you want that will fit) to /System/Installation/Packages -unmount and burn Voila. -mab -- From john at uhaul.com Thu Jun 7 10:14:42 2001 From: john at uhaul.com (John Kestner) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:21 2005 Subject: mail/dns issues Message-ID: I've got a PHP script or two on www.foo.com that sends an email to mymailtest@foo.com, which is an account on a mail server somewhere else. But my root account's mail file is getting "User unknown" errors. In my DNS setup, I have foo.com under the search domains list. It sounds like the script on the web server is looking on its own machine for the mymailtest account, and not using DNS to find the MX record that points to the real mail server. Is this correct? Should I take foo.com out of the search domains list? From tony at engr.arizona.edu Thu Jun 7 11:12:36 2001 From: tony at engr.arizona.edu (Anthony D. Hess) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:21 2005 Subject: Can Server authenticate Win2k clients In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I do know that it shouldn't take Apple very long to update the Samba in the OS X Server package. I would be surprised if it wasn't there by say, Macworld in July. No idea on your other questions though :) Anthony Hess Support Systems Analyst, Senior COEM Computer Support Group University of Arizona From dluke at geeklair.net Thu Jun 7 11:20:22 2001 From: dluke at geeklair.net (Daniel J. Luke) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:21 2005 Subject: Can Server authenticate Win2k clients In-Reply-To: ; from tony@engr.arizona.edu on Thu, Jun 07, 2001 at 11:12:27AM -0700 References: Message-ID: <20010607141924.A1682@geeklair.net> On Thu, Jun 07, 2001 at 11:12:27AM -0700, Anthony D. Hess wrote: > I do know that it shouldn't take Apple very long to update the Samba in > the OS X Server package. I would be surprised if it wasn't there by say, > Macworld in July. I would hope so ... there is a security-advisory out for Samba 2.0.8 (I don't have the new Mac OS X Server, so I can't see if it's actually vulnerable or not). -- Daniel J. Luke +========================================================+ | *---------------- dluke@geeklair.net ----------------* | | *-------------- http://www.geeklair.net -------------* | +========================================================+ | Opinions expressed are mine and do not necessarily | | reflect the opinions of my employer. | +========================================================+ From chad at objectwerks.com Thu Jun 7 11:24:13 2001 From: chad at objectwerks.com (Chad Leigh, Objectwerks, Inc.) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:21 2005 Subject: Can Server authenticate Win2k clients In-Reply-To: <20010607141924.A1682@geeklair.net> Message-ID: <4081331451.991923809@[192.168.99.123]> I don't know what Apple has changed in Samba but since Samba is GPLed they would have to include source or make it available to anyone so it should be easy t osee what if anything they have done to it. Chad doesn't have X Server From tjohnson at icd.cc.purdue.edu Thu Jun 7 11:40:35 2001 From: tjohnson at icd.cc.purdue.edu (Tom Johnson) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:22 2005 Subject: Apple System Restore for Mac OS X In-Reply-To: <200106071458.HAA27747@smtpout.mac.com> Message-ID: Below is a clip from the post made by Bob Kerstetter. Basicly it says that if you run the 10.0 install CD on an installation of Mac OS X it will replace newer versions of files with the 10.0 copies (though he does say that files installed by 10.0.1 stay). To me, this sounds odd. From what I have read, it only replaces files that are missing. Any file in place will be left there. Now, I could easily be wrong but I want to check and see. Unfortunately, I only have one Mac available to me to run OS X on (a G3 Blue & White). None of the other Macs in my office will run OS X (too old, wrong motherboard). Since I don't really feel like blowing away my only OS X install playing I was wondering if someone else knew FOR SURE how the install CD deals with files. One behavior that seems to support the idea that it does not replace existing files (such as newer versions) is that running the CD installer does not delete any of reciepts that you have. Hence, since you still have the reciepts, software update won't detect that you need the 10.0.x update unless you manaully remove the reciept. Perhpas this is just an oversight/flaw in the install CD or perhpas it reflects the idea that the installer will not overwrite existing files with older versions. Again, I am looking for people who are very confident that they know how this works (no guesses - I can do that too, actually, in the above I just did :-). Tom Johnson tjohnson@icd.cc.purdue.edu On Thu, 7 Jun 2001, Bob Kerstetter wrote: > Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 09:58:05 -0500 > From: Bob Kerstetter > To: Cameron Kay > Cc: Bob Kerstetter , > macintosh-manager@lists.apple.com, macosx-admin@omnigroup.com > Subject: Re: Apple System Restore for Mac OS X > > > Don't know about Apple releasing anything, but you can restore the > installation by rerunning the installer. It replaces everything at the > system level with 10.0. It wipes out the .2 and .3 updates and appears > to leave the .1 update in place. (Stranger than sci-fi.) It does not > touch your open source or third party apps. > > As a member of the unix-ish newcomers club, i did the above mention > "re-install" to try to recover from a newcomer mistake. Had to reinstall > .2 and .3 updates, but everything is working well, now. > From willscheidegger at mac.com Thu Jun 7 11:58:34 2001 From: willscheidegger at mac.com (Will Scheidegger) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:22 2005 Subject: apache hangs with rotatelogs processes Message-ID: List, Every once in a while our MacOS X 1.2 Webserver (apache) becomes unresponsive. When checking the processes (ps -agx | grep apache) I get a bunch of rotatelogs processes and only the original apache process. I can solve the problem by kill -HUP the main process... - "rotatelogs" sounds like apache would be excanging the log file(s). Correct? - How come there are several of these processes (13, one of them has a PID lower than the apache PID!)? - Why his apache hanging? IMHO exchanging the log file should not take more than a second... Thanks for your help. Will From smmccraw at cicada.com Thu Jun 7 15:02:22 2001 From: smmccraw at cicada.com (Steven Mark McCraw) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:22 2005 Subject: apache-ssl for Mac OS X Message-ID: <1220171002-31672383@cicada.com> Hi everyone, I'm trying to figure out how to build/install apache-SSL for Mac OS X. As I understand it, I need to first compile the latest version of openSSL, so I downloaded it and tried to build it. However, the configure script tells me that darwin is unsupported. I understand that Mac OS X Server 10 ships with apachessl, so there must be a way to get it and make it work on OS X. Am I missing something obvious? Any hints would be greatly appreciated. Sincerely, Mark McCraw smmccraw@cicada.com From rpeskin at rlpcon.com Thu Jun 7 15:24:49 2001 From: rpeskin at rlpcon.com (Richard Peskin) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:22 2005 Subject: HFS+ or UFS? In-Reply-To: <200106071919.MAA24697@lists.omnigroup.com> Message-ID: <200106072224.f57MOgr28239@mailgate0.sover.net> On Thursday, June 7, 2001, at 03:19 PM, macosx-admin- request@omnigroup.com wrote: > You have > to use a resource fork aware tool to do the move, unix cp won't work > but the finder will. Is there a command line "resource aware" tool, other than ditto? I hate to belabor this thread, butis there another HFS vs. UFS issue that should be mentioned? dump and restore don't appear to be HFS aware. (Perhaps apple should have or should consider a re-write of dump and restore.) This leaves us with very limited back up choices. Retrospect can back up an OS X system. BUT, it must be run from OS 9 (only a client is available for OS X), AND given the large number of files in a typical OS X system, Retrospect will overflow the 64k resource fork limit for its storage of file names. In effect, there are tools to back up a UFS system, tools for an HFS system, but what can we use to back up a system with both types of file systems? --dick peskin Richard L. Peskin, RLP Consulting, Londonderry, VT http://www.rlpcon.com http://www.caip.rutgers.edu/~peskin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/enriched Size: 1143 bytes Desc: not available Url : /mailman/archive/macosx-admin/attachments/20010607/91e2be69/attachment.bin From lists at colorremedies.com Thu Jun 7 15:40:14 2001 From: lists at colorremedies.com (Chris Murphy) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:22 2005 Subject: HFS+ or UFS? Message-ID: <200106072239.PAA06714@albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Sherlock Holmes > HFS+ Mac OS X startup partition + UFS partition for unix stuff or > UFS Mac OS X startup and HFS+ partition for Mac OS/Classic I wouuld do HFS+ as the startup partition and keep all applications on there as well. I would use UFS only for the reasons you need UFS. But Apple's implementation of UFS has poor performance at this point, so I would not be inclined to use it as a primary volume - ESPECIALLY where lots of write activity is required (because it's particularly slow in regards to writes). Chris Murphy Color Remedies (tm) Boulder, CO 303-415-9932 From arnoud at grafisis.nl Thu Jun 7 15:41:48 2001 From: arnoud at grafisis.nl (Arnoud Helmantel) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:22 2005 Subject: HFS+ or UFS? In-Reply-To: <200106072224.f57MOgr28239@mailgate0.sover.net> Message-ID: <20010607224108.FAAM19413.amsmta03-svc@crash> On vrijdag, juni 8, 2001, at 12:25 , Richard Peskin wrote: > On Thursday, June 7, 2001, at 03:19 PM, macosx-admin- > request@omnigroup.com wrote: > >> You have >> to use a resource fork aware tool to do the move, unix cp won't work >> but the finder will. > > Is there a command line "resource aware" tool, other than ditto? > If you install the devtools CD, you will get a whole lot of commandline tools with it.. the more interesting ones are installed in /Developer/Tools. The CpMac command will copy both resource and datafork for you. [crash:/Developer/Tools] arnoud% ./CpMac -h usage: ./CpMac [-r] [-mac] ... greetings, Arnoud From arnoud at mac.com Thu Jun 7 15:46:24 2001 From: arnoud at mac.com (Arnoud Helmantel) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:22 2005 Subject: HFS+ or UFS? In-Reply-To: <200106072224.f57MOgr28239@mailgate0.sover.net> Message-ID: <20010607224513.FAOJ19413.amsmta03-svc@crash> On vrijdag, juni 8, 2001, at 12:25 , Richard Peskin wrote: > On Thursday, June 7, 2001, at 03:19 PM, macosx-admin- > request@omnigroup.com wrote: > >> You have >> to use a resource fork aware tool to do the move, unix cp won't work >> but the finder will. > > Is there a command line "resource aware" tool, other than ditto? > If you install the devtools CD, you will get a whole lot of commandline tools with it.. the more interesting ones are installed in /Developer/Tools. The CpMac command will copy both resource and datafork for you. [crash:/Developer/Tools] arnoud% ./CpMac -h usage: ./CpMac [-r] [-mac] ... greetings, Arnoud From chrisi at darkhorse.com Thu Jun 7 17:36:41 2001 From: chrisi at darkhorse.com (Chris Irvine) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:22 2005 Subject: Error in TIL - Max files in HFS+ folder In-Reply-To: <200106071919.MAA24745@lists.omnigroup.com> References: <200106071919.MAA24745@lists.omnigroup.com> Message-ID: The til article: http://til.info.apple.com/techinfo.nsf/artnum/n24601 claims: Maximum number of files/folders in a folder: 32,767 -- This is not correct. I just created more than 32k files in a single directory from darwin 1.3.3 on an HFS+ volume. In fact I wondered if it would be easy to find a limit. My test script stopped at 200,000. Not sure what the real limit is. Here is my proof: [www10:/Shared Items/chris_test/lotsOfiles] root# ls | grep "" -c 200001 On a performance note, when copying one of these large folders with "cp -R" the machine was quite fast. My test files were sequentially named and contained a few bytes of data. The copy was creating over 400 files a second. Other commands like ls still seem quite responsive (as compared to other unixes). Pattern matching seems to break when passed from the shell to some commands. For example "rm *" returned: Argument list too long. Connecting over AFP from 9.0.4 to this folder, via AppleFileServer, didn't do so well. Finder's "Get info" never finished calculating, and trying to open the folder to a window crashed my client. OK Apple! I won't complain about things being better than you claim... But what is the real limit. Please rev the til article. -Chris -- -------------------------------------------------------------- Chris Irvine On-line store-> http://www.tfaw.com/ Information Systems Manager phone: 503-652-8815 Dark Horse Comics, Inc. http://www.darkhorse.com/ PGP Key ID: 0x0263648A PGP F.P. 8CEF 1BC8 F763 DF79 6F38 3156 EA30 50DF 0263 648A From alexandre at apple2.com Thu Jun 7 17:58:17 2001 From: alexandre at apple2.com (Alexandre Siufy) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:22 2005 Subject: Error in TIL - Max files in HFS+ folder In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200106080057.f580vPM00328@didi.tiaxa.com> On quinta-feira, junho 7, 2001, at 08:35 , Chris Irvine wrote: > The til article: http://til.info.apple.com/techinfo.nsf/artnum/n24601 > > claims: Maximum number of files/folders in a folder: 32,767 > > -- > > This is not correct. I just created more than 32k files in a single > directory from darwin 1.3.3 on an HFS+ volume. In fact I wondered if > it would be easy to find a limit. My test script stopped at 200,000. > Not sure what the real limit is. > > Here is my proof: > [www10:/Shared Items/chris_test/lotsOfiles] root# ls | grep "" -c > 200001 Was that Darwin or MacOS X??? -- Alexandre Siufy alexandre@apple2.com -Microsoft has performed an illegal operation and will be shut down- From bkerstetter at mac.com Thu Jun 7 18:06:08 2001 From: bkerstetter at mac.com (Bob Kerstetter) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:22 2005 Subject: Apple System Restore for Mac OS X In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200106080045.RAA23330@smtpout.mac.com> I re-ran the 10 installer from CD as directed by Apple support. They told me it would replace missing things only and not overwrite the .1, .2 or .3 updates. However, after running the installer, "About this Mac" showed version 10.0 plus the build number for 10.0, confirmed by Apple support. When I ran update from the System Preferences, the first pass picked up the new update software, the second pass did .2 and third did .3. .1 was skipped. Beats me. But that's what happened. "About this Mac" now shows 10.0.3 and build 4P13. On Thursday, June 7, 2001, at 01:40 PM, Tom Johnson wrote: > Below is a clip from the post made by Bob Kerstetter. Basicly it > says that if you run the 10.0 install CD on an installation of Mac OS X > it > will replace newer versions of files with the 10.0 copies (though he > does > say that files installed by 10.0.1 stay). > To me, this sounds odd. From what I have read, it only replaces > files that are missing. Any file in place will be left there. Now, I > could easily be wrong but I want to check and see. Unfortunately, I > only > have one Mac available to me to run OS X on (a G3 Blue & White). None > of > the other Macs in my office will run OS X (too old, wrong motherboard). > Since I don't really feel like blowing away my only OS X install > playing I > was wondering if someone else knew FOR SURE how the install CD deals > with > files. > One behavior that seems to support the idea that it does not > replace existing files (such as newer versions) is that running the CD > installer does not delete any of reciepts that you have. Hence, since > you > still have the reciepts, software update won't detect that you need the > 10.0.x update unless you manaully remove the reciept. Perhpas this is > just an oversight/flaw in the install CD or perhpas it reflects the idea > that the installer will not overwrite existing files with older > versions. > Again, I am looking for people who are very confident that they > know how this works (no guesses - I can do that too, actually, in the > above I just did :-). > > Tom Johnson > tjohnson@icd.cc.purdue.edu > > > On Thu, 7 Jun 2001, Bob Kerstetter wrote: > >> Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 09:58:05 -0500 >> From: Bob Kerstetter >> To: Cameron Kay >> Cc: Bob Kerstetter , >> macintosh-manager@lists.apple.com, macosx-admin@omnigroup.com >> Subject: Re: Apple System Restore for Mac OS X >> > > > >> >> Don't know about Apple releasing anything, but you can restore the >> installation by rerunning the installer. It replaces everything at the >> system level with 10.0. It wipes out the .2 and .3 updates and appears >> to leave the .1 update in place. (Stranger than sci-fi.) It does not >> touch your open source or third party apps. >> >> As a member of the unix-ish newcomers club, i did the above mention >> "re-install" to try to recover from a newcomer mistake. Had to >> reinstall >> .2 and .3 updates, but everything is working well, now. >> > > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-admin mailing list > MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin > From jfv at mac.com Thu Jun 7 18:37:49 2001 From: jfv at mac.com (jfv@mac.com) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:22 2005 Subject: hostname is hosed, can't run WebObject applications Message-ID: <200106080042.RAA00156@smtpout.mac.com> Please help me to solve the following configuration problem. It apear at random, I first solved it by changing my system Locale from French to English, it fixed it for a few day, but now I had to restart and the problem is back (system is still English). I don't know what I can do. I don't know enough about network configuration to figure it out myself ... help ! My configuration is, iMac(rev-A), OS-X 10.0.3, cable-modem(DHCP). Somehow my hostname is x1-6-00-05-02-3d-e8-86, not localhost: x1-6-00-05-02-3d-e8-86% hostname x1-6-00-05-02-3d-e8-86 This cause WebObjects5 app to exit with error: com.webobjects.foundation.NSForwardException for java.net.UnknownHostException: x1-6-00-05-02-3d-e8-86 from PBuilder console: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Reading MacOSClassPath.txt ... Launching TrainingEvaluation.woa ... java -DWORootDirectory="/System" -DWOLocalRootDirectory="/" -DWOUserDirectory="/Users/jf/Developer/iGloo- dbj/TrainingEvaluation/build" -Xms32m -Xmx64m -XX:NewSize=2m -XX:MaxNewSize=32m -XX:ThreadStackSize=128 -classpath "/Users/jf/Developer/iGloo- dbj/TrainingEvaluation/build/TrainingEvaluation.woa/Contents/Resources/Java/ TrainingEvaluation.jar:/System/Library/Frameworks/JavaFoundation.framework/ Resources/Java/javafoundation.jar:/System/Library/Frameworks/JavaEOControl. framework/Resources/Java/javaeocontrol.jar:/System/Library/Frameworks/JavaEOAccess. framework/Resources/Java/javaeoaccess.jar:/System/Library/Frameworks/JavaWebObjects. framework/Resources/Java/javawebobjects.jar:/System/Library/Frameworks/JavaJDBCAdaptor. framework/Resources/Java/javajdbcadaptor.jar:/System/Library/Frameworks/JavaWOExtensions. framework/Resources/Java/javawoextensions.jar:/System/Library/Frameworks/JavaXML. framework/Resources/Java/javaxml.jar:/Library/Frameworks/TrainingReport.framework/ Resources/Java/TrainingReport.jar:/Users/jf/Library/Java:/Library/Java:/System/ Library/Java:/Network/Library/Java:/System/Library/Frameworks/JavaVM.framework/ Classes/classes.jar:/System/Library/Frameworks/JavaVM.framework/Classes/ui. jar" Application WOLifebeatDestinationPort=1085 WOWorkerThreadCount=8 NSProjectSearchPath=("..") WOMaxHeaders=100 WOMaxIOBufferSize=8196 WOListenQueueSize=128 WOCachingEnabled=false WOFrameworksBaseURL=/WebObjects/Frameworks WOAdditionalAdaptors=() WOAdaptor=WODefaultAdaptor WOLifebeatEnabled=true WOAllowsConcurrentRequestHandling=false WOAllowsCacheControlHeader=true WOSMTPHost=smtp WOSocketMonitorSleepTime=50 WOSessionTimeOut=3600 WOSocketCacheSize=100 WOSessionStoreClassName=WOServerSessionStore WODebuggingEnabled=true WOWorkerThreadCountMin=16 WORootDirectory=/System WOMaxSocketIdleTime=180000 WOUserDirectory=/Users/jf/Developer/iGloo-dbj/TrainingEvaluation/build WOWorkerThreadCountMax=256 WOMonitorEnabled=false WODirectConnectEnabled=true WOAdaptorURL=http://localhost/cgi-bin/WebObjects WOPort=-1 WOApplicationBaseURL=/WebObjects WOAutoOpenInBrowser=true WOLifebeatInterval=30 WOLocalRootDirectory=/ WOIncludeCommentsInResponse=false ------------------------ Failed to get localhost address : Cannot be initialized.null A fatal exception occurred:null: : Cannot be initialized. com.webobjects.foundation.NSForwardException for java.net.UnknownHostException: x1-6-00-05-02-3d-e8-86 at java.net.InetAddress.getAllByName0(InetAddress.java:571) at java.net.InetAddress.getAllByName0(InetAddress.java:540) at java.net.InetAddress.getAllByName(InetAddress.java:533) at java.net.InetAddress.getLocalHost(InetAddress.java:723) at com.webobjects.appserver._private.WODefaultAdaptor. (WODefaultAdaptor.java:65) at java.lang.reflect.Constructor.newInstance(Native Method) at com.webobjects.foundation._NSUtilities.instantiateObject(_NSUtilities.java: 422) at com.webobjects.appserver.WOApplication.adaptorWithName(WOApplication.java: 532) at com.webobjects.appserver.WOApplication._initAdaptors(WOApplication.java:568) at com.webobjects.appserver.WOApplication.(WOApplication.java:252) at Application.(Application.java:19) at java.lang.Class.newInstance0(Native Method) at java.lang.Class.newInstance(Class.java:237) at com.webobjects.appserver.WOApplication.main(WOApplication.java:185) at Application.main(Application.java:15) TrainingEvaluation.woa has exited with status 1. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Here is some more info, if it can help you ... x1-6-00-05-02-3d-e8-86% domainname x1-6-00-05-02-3d-e8-86% hostinfo Mach kernel version: Darwin Kernel Version 1.3.3: Fri May 4 13:46:54 PDT 2001; root:xnu/xnu-124.8.obj~1/RELEASE_PPC Kernel configured for up to 2 processors. 1 processor is physically available. Processor type: ppc750 (PowerPC 750) Processor active: 0 Primary memory available: 160.00 megabytes. Default processor set: 49 tasks, 108 threads, 1 processors Load average: 0.34, Mach factor: 0.86 x1-6-00-05-02-3d-e8-86% x1-6-00-05-02-3d-e8-86% /sbin/ifconfig -a lo0: flags=8049 mtu 16384 inet 127.0.0.1 netmask 0xff000000 en0: flags=8863 mtu 1500 inet 24.201.1.49 netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast 24.201.1.255 ether 00:05:02:3d:e8:86 media: autoselect (10baseT/UTP ) status: active supported media: none autoselect 10baseT/UTP 10baseT/UTP 100baseTX 100baseTX x1-6-00-05-02-3d-e8-86% thanks, - jfv -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/enriched Size: 5894 bytes Desc: not available Url : /mailman/archive/macosx-admin/attachments/20010607/349ffe9c/attachment.bin From irfan at irfanrahman.com Thu Jun 7 19:30:03 2001 From: irfan at irfanrahman.com (Irfan Rahman) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:22 2005 Subject: Can Server authenticate Win2k clients In-Reply-To: Message-ID: There is Samba X 2.1 based on Samba 2.2.0.... http://xamba.sourceforge.net/sambax/index.shtml You can also, use one of those commercial ones I guess like Sharity or Dave..... ------ Irfan Rahman irfan@irfanrahman.com on 6/7/01 12:12 PM, Hugh Evans at hevans@morrice.com wrote: > I have been told that Samba in the new Server is 2.0.8 - and that > this will not reliably authenticate Win2k clients... Apparently these > issues were not fixed until Samba 2.2.0 > > I am concerned that because of the integration of Samba with NetInfo > and other Apple services - it will be impossible to update to Samba > 2.2.0. without breaking something. Indeed, is there any patch > available to get Samba on OSX current? > > Can somebody comment on Win2K authentication issues.... I had planned > to retire a Linux and Win2K server and replace them with an Apple PDC > Solution... - 75% of my clients are Win2K. > > Any insights would be appreciated From nazareth at eye-of-newt.com Thu Jun 7 22:09:43 2001 From: nazareth at eye-of-newt.com (Strangely Serene Facing The Shakedown) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:22 2005 Subject: hostname is hosed, can't run WebObject applications In-Reply-To: <200106080042.RAA00156@smtpout.mac.com> References: <200106080042.RAA00156@smtpout.mac.com> Message-ID: Are you using DHCP to get your hostname? >Please help me to solve the following configuration problem. >It apear at random, I first solved it by changing my system Locale >from French to English, it fixed it for a few day, but now I had to >restart and the problem is back (system is still English). I don't >know what I can do. I don't know enough about network configuration >to figure it out myself ... help ! > >My configuration is, iMac(rev-A), OS-X 10.0.3, cable-modem(DHCP). > >Somehow my hostname is x1-6-00-05-02-3d-e8-86, not localhost: >x1-6-00-05-02-3d-e8-86% hostname >x1-6-00-05-02-3d-e8-86 Notice that the "ether" address below (the Network card's ethernet address) is the same as your hostname? I suspect that you are getting your hostname from a DHCP server and it's giving you a name based on your ethernet address. >x1-6-00-05-02-3d-e8-86% /sbin/ifconfig -a >lo0: flags=8049 mtu 16384 > inet 127.0.0.1 netmask 0xff000000 >en0: flags=8863 mtu 1500 > inet 24.201.1.49 netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast 24.201.1.255 > ether 00:05:02:3d:e8:86 > media: autoselect (10baseT/UTP ) status: active > supported media: none autoselect 10baseT/UTP >10baseT/UTP 100baseTX 100baseTX > >x1-6-00-05-02-3d-e8-86% I have manually set my hostname in /etc/hostconfig: I changed this line: HOSTNAME=-AUTOMATIC- to HOSTNAME=niflheim niflheim is a valid DNS name for this machine: nslookup niflheim Server: gw-p.joeshmoe.com Address: 10.20.0.1 Name: niflheim.chthonic.net Address: 10.20.0.31 This seems to do the right thing: [aneel@niflheim aneel]$ hostname niflheim But I'm not sure if there's a better way to set this. I'm not using this with DHCP or WebObjects either, so your mileage may vary. -- Aneel Nazareth -- http://eye-of-newt.com/nazareth -- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /mailman/archive/macosx-admin/attachments/20010607/952c54d5/attachment.html From Jacques.Menu at epfl.ch Thu Jun 7 23:41:56 2001 From: Jacques.Menu at epfl.ch (Jacques Menu) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:22 2005 Subject: hostname is hosed, can't run WebObject applications In-Reply-To: <200106080042.RAA00156@smtpout.mac.com> Message-ID: <200106080641.XAA29067@omnigroup.com> Hello jfv, Le Jeudi 7 juin 2001, ? 11:21, jfv@mac.com a ?crit : > Somehow my hostname is x1-6-00-05-02-3d-e8-86, not localhost: > x1-6-00-05-02-3d-e8-86% hostname > x1-6-00-05-02-3d-e8-86 It looks like your hostname contains a MAC address. Did you try to set it in /etc/hostconfig ? Jacques From joar at joar.com Fri Jun 8 01:01:39 2001 From: joar at joar.com (j o a r) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:22 2005 Subject: HFS+ or UFS? In-Reply-To: <200106072224.f57MOgr28239@mailgate0.sover.net> Message-ID: On fredag, juni 8, 2001, at 12:25 , Richard Peskin wrote: > I hate to belabor this thread, butis there another HFS vs. UFS issue > that should be mentioned? dump and restore don't appear to be HFS > aware. (Perhaps apple should have or should consider a re-write of dump > and restore.) This leaves us with very limited back up choices. > Retrospect can back up an OS X system. BUT, it must be run from OS 9 > (only a client is available for OS X), AND given the large number of > files in a typical OS X system, Retrospect will overflow the 64k > resource fork limit for its storage of file names. In effect, there > are tools to back up a UFS system, tools for an HFS system, but what > can we use to back up a system with both types of file systems? What you said about the resource fork and backups using Retrospect only - only - holds true if you use file backup set. If you backup to tape, or any other media - which I would suspect most, if not every one, does - you will be fine with Retrospect. It is the "Catalog file", ie. a snapshot of the directory tree of the backed up machine, that is stored in the resource fork when using a file backup set. This catalog file will excede 16 MB in size for a standard Mac OS X install, and thereby be larger then what is supported for resource forks. If Dantz had choosen not to store the catalog file in the resource fork, but rather in the data fork of the backup file - or in a separate file - this wouldn't have been a problem. Regards, j o a r From guido at snmusic.de Fri Jun 8 01:09:12 2001 From: guido at snmusic.de (Guido Neitzer) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:22 2005 Subject: ISDN-Routing (PPP) with MacOS X Message-ID: <200106080809.KAA23787@post.webmailer.de> Hi. Is it possible to use a Mac OS X box as an ISDN router for a PowerBook which is connected over Airport to the local network? The Mac OS X box is a blue & white G3 with Mac OS X 10.0.3 installed. On that G3 I use a ZyXEL omni.net serial ISDN adaptor for the internet access via PPP. cug From fpichler at wpis.ch Fri Jun 8 01:20:55 2001 From: fpichler at wpis.ch (Fabian Pichler) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:22 2005 Subject: JDBC-Adaptor WO5 The EOModeler Mask In-Reply-To: <200106080641.XAA29067@omnigroup.com> References: <200106080641.XAA29067@omnigroup.com> Message-ID: <32948.129.132.9.94.991988420.squirrel@webmail.wpis.ch> Hello all out there Can anyone of you help me to figure out, what I (we) have to fill in the from which EOModeler presents us after selecting New Model --> JDBC. URL:? Is this the same notation as in the Java-JDBC class (something like jdbc:Cache://192.168.110.1:1792) Plugin:????? Driver: is this the Path to the DB-JDBCDriver (DB-Vendor) on Disk, or is it the dot com notation (somehing like com.intersys.cache) User and Password should be the DB-ones I think. Thanks for anz help. Fabian Pichler From willscheidegger at mac.com Fri Jun 8 01:26:59 2001 From: willscheidegger at mac.com (Will Scheidegger) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:22 2005 Subject: OT: Netwon sync on OSX? Message-ID: List, I'm affraid I'm the only one still using a Newton. Or can anyone share some info about Newton tools portet to MacOS X - First of all: How to hook up your Newton to non-ADB hardware? - Software for backups, synchronisations? - Compatible calendars? Thanks. Regards, Will From njriley at uiuc.edu Fri Jun 8 01:57:11 2001 From: njriley at uiuc.edu (Nicholas Riley) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:22 2005 Subject: OT: Netwon sync on OSX? In-Reply-To: ; from willscheidegger@mac.com on Fri, Jun 08, 2001 at 10:26:18AM +0200 References: Message-ID: <20010608035913.A11441@uiuc.edu> On Fri, Jun 08, 2001 at 10:26:18AM +0200, Will Scheidegger wrote: > I'm affraid I'm the only one still using a Newton. Or can anyone > share some info about Newton tools portet to MacOS X > - First of all: How to hook up your Newton to non-ADB hardware? ADB? The only connections that I'm aware of for the Newton are serial, LocalTalk, Ethernet (AppleTalk, TCP/IP), modem/PPP, and IrDA. > - Software for backups, synchronisations? Unless you can get NCU to work in Classic, probably your best bet is to see about an OS X port of Newton Data Browser: Since it's written in REALbasic the port to OS X shouldn't be too bad. > - Compatible calendars? There's an Entourage sync, though I haven't used it: FWIW, there's no decent Palm sync available yet either. I use 'coldsync', a command-line program, to do backups, but that's about all that's possible unless you want to use unix-type programs to store your appointments etc. my Newton just functions as a glorified alarm clock these days. -- Nicholas Riley | From scott at maxify.com Fri Jun 8 03:12:54 2001 From: scott at maxify.com (Scott Stevenson) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:22 2005 Subject: apache hangs with rotatelogs processes In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200106080841.BAA22564@spyhunter.maxify.com> On Thursday, June 7, 2001, at 11:57 AM, Will Scheidegger wrote: > Every once in a while our MacOS X 1.2 Webserver (apache) becomes > unresponsive. When checking the processes (ps -agx | grep apache) I get > a bunch of rotatelogs processes and only the original apache process. I > can solve the problem by kill -HUP the main process... > > - "rotatelogs" sounds like apache would be excanging the log file(s). > Correct? > - How come there are several of these processes (13, one of them has a > PID lower than the apache PID!)? > - Why his apache hanging? IMHO exchanging the log file should not take > more than a second... Though I don't remember the solution, I'm pretty sure this has been covered on the list at least once before. If you don't get a response, see if you can track it down in the archives. - Scott -- Scott Stevenson http://wildtofu.com/ http://maxify.com/ From scott at maxify.com Fri Jun 8 03:13:42 2001 From: scott at maxify.com (Scott Stevenson) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:22 2005 Subject: Error in TIL - Max files in HFS+ folder In-Reply-To: <200106080057.f580vPM00328@didi.tiaxa.com> Message-ID: <200106080844.BAA22570@spyhunter.maxify.com> On Thursday, June 7, 2001, at 05:57 PM, Alexandre Siufy wrote: >> Here is my proof: >> [www10:/Shared Items/chris_test/lotsOfiles] root# ls | grep "" -c >> 200001 > > Was that Darwin or MacOS X??? Darwin is essentially a subset of Mac OS X. - Scott -- Scott Stevenson http://wildtofu.com/ http://maxify.com/ From fpichler at wpis.ch Fri Jun 8 03:25:08 2001 From: fpichler at wpis.ch (Fabian Pichler) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:22 2005 Subject: END: JDBC-Adaptor WO5 The EOModeler Mask In-Reply-To: <32948.129.132.9.94.991988420.squirrel@webmail.wpis.ch> References: <32948.129.132.9.94.991988420.squirrel@webmail.wpis.ch> Message-ID: <34877.129.132.9.82.991995864.squirrel@webmail.wpis.ch> Sorry to all. I must have got the wrong list for this post. Just ignore the original one. I appologise. Fabian From JJEgger at msd.k12.wi.us Fri Jun 8 05:27:12 2001 From: JJEgger at msd.k12.wi.us (Egger, Jeremy) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:22 2005 Subject: MM 2.0.1 (GROUP BUG?) Message-ID: <990986872734D51186EA00B0D03D95CC11B865@ntexchange.msd.k12.wi.us> Has anyone had the problem of getting MM 2.0 or 2.01 to use group document storage. I have reinstalled 3 different times, even used different servers. Everything works fine on install. User document storage is fine, however when I go to set the goup document storage to Designated MM Server (set to Log-in automatically using default name and password)...default. I get an error on login that says I do not have rights to my group document storage and that preferences may not work correctly. I tried the above setup. I have also tried manually creating a volume which didn't work either. I checked my mm share point and it has MMuser as the owner. and admin as the group both read and write access. Everyone is set to no access. Here is the odd part, When logged in as the first scenario I get the Macintosh Manager share point to mount. I can get access to a share storage it is there. However I still get that error and don't seem to have space for the ( Forced, Preserved, and Initial Preferences. I have not tried using MM 2.0 instead of going directly to MM 2.0.1. Any ideas. Jeremy From jfv at mac.com Fri Jun 8 05:53:23 2001 From: jfv at mac.com (jfv@mac.com) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:22 2005 Subject: hostname is hosed, can't run WebObject applications In-Reply-To: <200106080042.RAA00156@smtpout.mac.com> Message-ID: <200106081252.FAA27429@smtpout.mac.com> yes, it is my MAC address, but why is it my hostname ? I didn't play with hostconfig myself. here is my hostconfig : x1-6-00-05-02-3d-e8-86% cat /etc/hostconfig ## # /etc/hostconfig ## # This file is maintained by the system control panels ## # Network configuration HOSTNAME=-AUTOMATIC- ROUTER=-AUTOMATIC- # Services AFPSERVER=-NO- APPLETALK=-NO- AUTHSERVER=-NO- AUTOCONFIG=-YES- AUTODISKMOUNT=-REMOVABLE- AUTOMOUNT=-YES- CONFIGSERVER=-NO- IPFORWARDING=-NO- MAILSERVER=-NO- MANAGEMENTSERVER=-NO- NETBOOTSERVER=-NO- NISDOMAIN=-NO- TIMESYNC=-YES- QTSSERVER=-NO- SSHSERVER=-YES- WEBSERVER=-NO- APPLETALK_HOSTNAME="iMac de Jean-Fran?ois Veillette" x1-6-00-05-02-3d-e8-86% if you know anything, please let me know. Merci Jacques, - jfv Jean-Fran?ois Veillette jfv@mac.com On Vendredi, juin 8, 2001, at 02:41 , Jacques Menu wrote: > Hello jfv, > > Le Jeudi 7 juin 2001, ? 11:21, jfv@mac.com a ?crit : > >> Somehow my hostname is x1-6-00-05-02-3d-e8-86, not localhost: >> x1-6-00-05-02-3d-e8-86% hostname >> x1-6-00-05-02-3d-e8-86 > > It looks like your hostname contains a MAC address. > Did you try to set it in /etc/hostconfig ? > > Jacques From epeyton at epicware.com Fri Jun 8 06:00:35 2001 From: epeyton at epicware.com (Eric Peyton) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:22 2005 Subject: hostname is hosed, can't run WebObject applications In-Reply-To: <200106081252.FAA27429@smtpout.mac.com> Message-ID: <20010608130001.3A22D614D@smtp-2.enteract.com> It must be getting your hostname from your DHCP or Bootp server, which must be returning the mac address as it's default. Check with the sys admin of your servers, if you can. You can override this by replace the HOSTNAME=-AUTOMATIC- line in your hostconfig with HOSTNAME= Eric On Friday, June 8, 2001, at 07:48 AM, jfv@mac.com wrote: > yes, it is my MAC address, but why is it my hostname ? > I didn't play with hostconfig myself. > > here is my hostconfig : > x1-6-00-05-02-3d-e8-86% cat /etc/hostconfig > ## > # /etc/hostconfig > ## > # This file is maintained by the system control panels > ## > > # Network configuration > HOSTNAME=-AUTOMATIC- > ROUTER=-AUTOMATIC- > > # Services > AFPSERVER=-NO- > APPLETALK=-NO- > AUTHSERVER=-NO- > AUTOCONFIG=-YES- > AUTODISKMOUNT=-REMOVABLE- > AUTOMOUNT=-YES- > CONFIGSERVER=-NO- > IPFORWARDING=-NO- > MAILSERVER=-NO- > MANAGEMENTSERVER=-NO- > NETBOOTSERVER=-NO- > NISDOMAIN=-NO- > TIMESYNC=-YES- > QTSSERVER=-NO- > SSHSERVER=-YES- > WEBSERVER=-NO- > APPLETALK_HOSTNAME="iMac de Jean-Fran?ois Veillette" > x1-6-00-05-02-3d-e8-86% > > if you know anything, please let me know. > > Merci Jacques, > > - jfv > > Jean-Fran?ois Veillette > jfv@mac.com > > On Vendredi, juin 8, 2001, at 02:41 , Jacques Menu wrote: > >> Hello jfv, >> >> Le Jeudi 7 juin 2001, ? 11:21, jfv@mac.com a ?crit : >> >>> Somehow my hostname is x1-6-00-05-02-3d-e8-86, not localhost: >>> x1-6-00-05-02-3d-e8-86% hostname >>> x1-6-00-05-02-3d-e8-86 >> >> It looks like your hostname contains a MAC address. >> Did you try to set it in /etc/hostconfig ? >> >> Jacques > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-admin mailing list > MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin From morten.ronseth at rayon.no Fri Jun 8 06:25:46 2001 From: morten.ronseth at rayon.no (Morten R=?ISO-8859-1?B?+A==?=nseth) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:22 2005 Subject: Apache on two interfaces Message-ID: Hi, This is basically an Apache question but also involves the Apple 4 port e-net card. I have installed the 4-port card in a BW G3 with OSX Server 2.0. I have 2 interfaces running, one, which is the built-in port connected to the real world (en0) and a second - port 1 on the card - which is connetcted to a local virtual net (en1 on 192.168.1.*) (well, I actually have the remaing three ports defined as well...). Also, all DNS entries are correct. Now, my problem is getting Apache to listen to both ports. It will quite happily serve any site which is defined on the local net but any site defineed on a "real"-world address just returns the global default page. I.e. the server doesn't know it should associate the request with the defined vhost. I have entered a "Listen" directive on both addresses. Now, from the Terminal I can ping machines on both interfaces so it knows its location. So, why does Apache refuse to associate a "real"-world address with a vhost? Any clues anybody? Cheers, -Morten ------------------------------------------------------------------- Rayon Interactive AS http://www.rayon.no Morten Lerskau R?nseth mailto:morten.ronseth@rayon.no Karenslyst All? 16d Tlf.: (47) 2213 5250 0278 Oslo Fax : (47) 2213 5260 Norway ICQ: 25163080 PGP fingerprint: F851 91B6 1D81 1409 8B62 3E14 5A60 65F8 5AF4 56AF From brent at baton.phys.lsu.edu Fri Jun 8 06:41:04 2001 From: brent at baton.phys.lsu.edu (Brent Neal) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:22 2005 Subject: OSX swapfiles In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: >le 7/06/01 8:44, Morten R?nseth ? morten.ronseth@rayon.no a ?crit : > >> Hi, >> >> I have recently noticed that OSX keeps creating new swapfiles for some >> reason or other but the old swapfiles are never deleted. Now, since these >> are 76.2 MB in size each (80.000.000 bytes) they take up a fair amount of >> disk space after a while. >> >> I have 640 MB of physical memory installed and as far as I can see there are >> now 11 swapfiles...is there a good reason for this? > >no, I can't believe you flood 640MB RAM plus 11 swapfiles in every day use. >Is NOT possible if the system functions properly. Sounds you have a memory >leak somewhere. Could you list active applications/process ? > >On the Public Beta I managed to flood my 448MB RAM and creating 10 swapfiles >just by reading a copy of a swapfile in TextEdit. But TextEdit release all >the memory after its quit. > >Have you edited your /etc/rc ? > I've noticed that if you crash / power off with shutdown, the swapfiles are not cleaned up at startup. More, these swapfiles will not be released during normal operation. I have also noticed (with vm_stat) that having lots of these files around degrade the performance of the Mach object cache. A normal shutdown/restart returns things to normal, which seems to indicate that the swapfiles are deleted during the shutdown procedure, and no check is made for 'orphaned' swapfiles on restart. In my view, this should be checked and remedied during startup (prob. just before the dynamic pager is started). Has anyone running pure Darwin seen this behavior? Brent -- Brent Neal Concurrent Computing Laboratory for Materials Simulations Dept. of Physics - Dept. of Computer Science Louisiana State University From jyrki.wahlstedt at oplayo.com Fri Jun 8 06:46:46 2001 From: jyrki.wahlstedt at oplayo.com (Jyrki Wahlstedt) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:22 2005 Subject: OS X Airport access to non-Apple gear (3Com Airconnect)? Message-ID: <200106081346.GAA10402@omnigroup.com> Hi, I know that Airport connection from Mac OS X to other than Apple's Airport base stations have been discussed earlier. However, I have not been able to connect to 3Com's Airconnect base stations we have here, though I tried the $-prefix with the hexadecimal key, the ESSID (the network name I suppose) should be right. One detail I noticed is that if I set up a PC with 3Com's own WLAN PC card, I have an option to set one of four keys, in Airport connect dialog I can give only name and password. I have no idea so far, how the key number (three in our base stations) affects the password, if at all. The card itself seems to be ok, we have here a local ISP's WLAN in the neighbourhood and if I move near the office window, the dockling quite happily shows a quite strong signal. Apple's TIL is not very helpful, either. ! ! Jyrki Wahlstedt ! Project Manager mob. +358-40-502 0164 ! oplayo Oy http://www.oplayo.com ! Pohjoisesplanadi 37 A, FI-00100 Helsinki ! ! Our life is no dream; but it ought to become one and perhaps will. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: JJEgger@msd.k12.wi.us writes: > I checked my >mm share point and it has MMuser as the owner I bet if you change the owner of that sharepoint to the name of the Macintosh Manager User (whatever it is in MM 2). One trick in MM 1.x i did was to set to login automatically as Macintosh Manager User with no pw. ' ' ' ' ' ' ''"""""""""""'' ' ' ' ' ' Steven Kolins Alamance-Burlington NC USA, School System Computer Tech mailto:Steven_Kolins@abss.k12.nc.us http://homepage.mac.com/smkolins Possess a pure, kindly and radiant heart! From Morten.Ronseth at coil.no Fri Jun 8 06:57:21 2001 From: Morten.Ronseth at coil.no (Morten R=?ISO-8859-1?B?+A==?=nseth) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:23 2005 Subject: OSX swapfiles In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi, If, during startup, the system cannot find the swapdirectory, it will create one. Otherwise it will delete all swapfiles in the swapdirectory. So, unless the swapdirectory isn't there, the system *will* delete all orphaned swapfiles. Taken from /etc/rc: # Make sure the swapfile exists if [ ! -d ${swapdir} ]; then ConsoleMessage "Creating default swap directory" mount -uw / mkdir -p -m 755 ${swapdir} chown root:wheel ${swapdir} else rm -rf ${swapdir}/swap* fi Cheers, -Morten "Brent Neal" skrev i sin epost p04330100b74684390439@[130.39.183.142] av den 6/8/01 3:40 PM: >> le 7/06/01 8:44, Morten R?nseth ? morten.ronseth@rayon.no a ?crit : >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> I have recently noticed that OSX keeps creating new swapfiles for some >>> reason or other but the old swapfiles are never deleted. Now, since these >>> are 76.2 MB in size each (80.000.000 bytes) they take up a fair amount of >>> disk space after a while. >>> >>> I have 640 MB of physical memory installed and as far as I can see there >>> are >>> now 11 swapfiles...is there a good reason for this? >> >> no, I can't believe you flood 640MB RAM plus 11 swapfiles in every day use. >> Is NOT possible if the system functions properly. Sounds you have a memory >> leak somewhere. Could you list active applications/process ? >> >> On the Public Beta I managed to flood my 448MB RAM and creating 10 swapfiles >> just by reading a copy of a swapfile in TextEdit. But TextEdit release all >> the memory after its quit. >> >> Have you edited your /etc/rc ? >> > > > I've noticed that if you crash / power off with shutdown, the > swapfiles are not cleaned up at startup. More, these swapfiles will > not be released during normal operation. I have also noticed (with > vm_stat) that having lots of these files around degrade the > performance of the Mach object cache. > > A normal shutdown/restart returns things to normal, which seems to > indicate that the swapfiles are deleted during the shutdown > procedure, and no check is made for 'orphaned' swapfiles on restart. > In my view, this should be checked and remedied during startup (prob. > just before the dynamic pager is started). > > Has anyone running pure Darwin seen this behavior? > > Brent --------------------------------------------------------------- Coil AS http://www.coil.no Morten Lerskau R?nseth mailto:morten.ronseth@coil.no Karenslyst All? 16d Tlf.: (47) 2254 1820 0278 Oslo Fax : (47) 2254 1821 Norway Mob.: (47) 9343 4357 ICQ : 25163080 From alexandre at apple2.com Fri Jun 8 07:11:05 2001 From: alexandre at apple2.com (Alexandre Siufy) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:23 2005 Subject: NeXTstation with VGA monitor? Message-ID: <200106081410.f58EAOs00286@didi.tiaxa.com> Hi folks, I hope some of you still use NeXT hardware :) I got one NeXTstation box here, with all the cables, but the monitor (N4001) seems to be busted. I have read that the interface is 13W3, which is (supposedly) the same one used by old Sun and SGI machines. Now, I do have a 13W3-to-VGA adaptor, and I wonder if it's safe to use that to hook the NeXT box to a (modern) 19" SVGA monitor... Thanks! -- Alexandre Siufy alexandre@apple2.com A Microsoft Certified Systems Engineer is to computing what a McDonalds Certified Food Specialist is to fine cuisine -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/enriched Size: 666 bytes Desc: not available Url : /mailman/archive/macosx-admin/attachments/20010608/21138977/attachment.bin From Jacques.Menu at epfl.ch Fri Jun 8 07:11:41 2001 From: Jacques.Menu at epfl.ch (Jacques Menu) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:23 2005 Subject: nfs mount? In-Reply-To: <20010608134807.B0B38A86B@spike.rna.nl> Message-ID: <200106081411.HAA11958@omnigroup.com> Hello SH, Le Vendredi 8 juin 2001, ? 03:47, Sherlock Holmes a ?crit : > I have a unix system here where I have added a directory to > /etc/exports and I would like to mount that directory under Mac OS X > 10.0.3. But I can't find the instructions. > Did you try NFSManager from : http://www.bresink.de/osx/index.html Jacques From alexandre at apple2.com Fri Jun 8 07:14:20 2001 From: alexandre at apple2.com (Alexandre Siufy) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:23 2005 Subject: Sendmail won't auto start Message-ID: <200106081413.f58EDbs00293@didi.tiaxa.com> Hi, I have got sendmail to work fine, but it just won't auto start! If I (manually, as root) run the startup script in /System/Library/StartupItems/Sendmail, it runs fine... But upon booting, it throws an error... From system.log: Jun 8 09:23:38 didi sendmail[243]: NOQUEUE: SYSERR: putoutmsg (NO-HOST): error on output channel sending "451 4.0.0 fill_fd: before readcf: fd 1 not open: Bad file descriptor": Input/output error Jun 8 09:23:38 didi sendmail[243]: NOQUEUE: SYSERR(root): fill_fd: before readcf: fd 1 not open: Bad file descriptor Jun 8 09:23:38 didi sendmail[243]: NOQUEUE: SYSERR(root): fill_fd: before readcf: fd 2 not open: Bad file descriptor Any ideas? -- Alexandre Siufy alexandre@apple2.com -Microsoft has performed an illegal operation and will be shut down- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I understand that > Mac OS X Server 10 ships with apachessl, so there must be a way to get > it and make it work on OS X. Am I missing something obvious? Any hints > would be greatly appreciated. > > Sincerely, > Mark McCraw > smmccraw@cicada.com > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-admin mailing list > MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin > From jwalcik at notwithstanding.org Fri Jun 8 07:22:05 2001 From: jwalcik at notwithstanding.org (jacob walcik) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:23 2005 Subject: Apache on two interfaces In-Reply-To: Message-ID: what sort of virtual hosts are you using? IP-based or name-based? can you post the virtual host chunk of your apache config? -- jacob walcik jwalcik@notwithstanding.org On Fri, 8 Jun 2001, Morten R[ISO-8859-1] ønseth wrote: > Hi, > > This is basically an Apache question but also involves the Apple 4 port > e-net card. > I have installed the 4-port card in a BW G3 with OSX Server 2.0. I have 2 > interfaces running, one, which is the built-in port connected to the real > world (en0) and a second - port 1 on the card - which is connetcted to a > local virtual net (en1 on 192.168.1.*) (well, I actually have the remaing > three ports defined as well...). Also, all DNS entries are correct. > > Now, my problem is getting Apache to listen to both ports. It will quite > happily serve any site which is defined on the local net but any site > defineed on a "real"-world address just returns the global default page. > I.e. the server doesn't know it should associate the request with the > defined vhost. I have entered a "Listen" directive on both addresses. > Now, from the Terminal I can ping machines on both interfaces so it knows > its location. > > So, why does Apache refuse to associate a "real"-world address with a vhost? > Any clues anybody? > > > Cheers, > > > -Morten > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > Rayon Interactive AS http://www.rayon.no > Morten Lerskau Rønseth mailto:morten.ronseth@rayon.no > Karenslyst Allé 16d Tlf.: (47) 2213 5250 > 0278 Oslo Fax : (47) 2213 5260 > Norway ICQ: 25163080 > > PGP fingerprint: F851 91B6 1D81 1409 8B62 3E14 5A60 65F8 5AF4 56AF > > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-admin mailing list > MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin > From jfv at mac.com Fri Jun 8 07:31:50 2001 From: jfv at mac.com (jfv@mac.com) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:23 2005 Subject: hostname is hosed, can't run WebObject applications In-Reply-To: <20010608130001.3A22D614D@smtp-2.enteract.com> Message-ID: <200106081424.HAA29168@smtpout.mac.com> I first tried to set my HOSTNAME=Hercule but this didn't work, same problem. Then I set it to HOSTNAME=localhost and it work. Do you know why ? Why does the network stack can't resolve with a specific hostname (other than localhost) ? How can we configure it with the GUI ? is it possible ? Let me know if it can be a NetInfo miss-configuration from me (but I have the plain NetInfo setup, no major changes). thanks, - jfv On Vendredi, juin 8, 2001, at 08:59 , Eric Peyton wrote: > It must be getting your hostname from your DHCP or Bootp server, which > must be returning the mac address as it's default. Check with the sys > admin of your servers, if you can. > > You can override this by replace the HOSTNAME=-AUTOMATIC- line in your > hostconfig with HOSTNAME= > > Eric > > On Friday, June 8, 2001, at 07:48 AM, jfv@mac.com wrote: > >> yes, it is my MAC address, but why is it my hostname ? >> I didn't play with hostconfig myself. >> >> here is my hostconfig : >> x1-6-00-05-02-3d-e8-86% cat /etc/hostconfig >> ## >> # /etc/hostconfig >> ## >> # This file is maintained by the system control panels >> ## >> >> # Network configuration >> HOSTNAME=-AUTOMATIC- >> ROUTER=-AUTOMATIC- >> >> # Services >> AFPSERVER=-NO- >> APPLETALK=-NO- >> AUTHSERVER=-NO- >> AUTOCONFIG=-YES- >> AUTODISKMOUNT=-REMOVABLE- >> AUTOMOUNT=-YES- >> CONFIGSERVER=-NO- >> IPFORWARDING=-NO- >> MAILSERVER=-NO- >> MANAGEMENTSERVER=-NO- >> NETBOOTSERVER=-NO- >> NISDOMAIN=-NO- >> TIMESYNC=-YES- >> QTSSERVER=-NO- >> SSHSERVER=-YES- >> WEBSERVER=-NO- >> APPLETALK_HOSTNAME="iMac de Jean-Fran?ois Veillette" >> x1-6-00-05-02-3d-e8-86% >> >> if you know anything, please let me know. >> >> Merci Jacques, >> >> - jfv >> >> Jean-Fran?ois Veillette >> jfv@mac.com >> >> On Vendredi, juin 8, 2001, at 02:41 , Jacques Menu wrote: >> >>> Hello jfv, >>> >>> Le Jeudi 7 juin 2001, ? 11:21, jfv@mac.com a ?crit : >>> >>>> Somehow my hostname is x1-6-00-05-02-3d-e8-86, not localhost: >>>> x1-6-00-05-02-3d-e8-86% hostname >>>> x1-6-00-05-02-3d-e8-86 >>> >>> It looks like your hostname contains a MAC address. >>> Did you try to set it in /etc/hostconfig ? >>> >>> Jacques >> _______________________________________________ >> MacOSX-admin mailing list >> MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com >> http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin From pepper at mail.reppep.com Fri Jun 8 07:55:16 2001 From: pepper at mail.reppep.com (Chris Pepper) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:23 2005 Subject: Apple System Restore for Mac OS X In-Reply-To: <200106080045.RAA23330@smtpout.mac.com> References: <200106080045.RAA23330@smtpout.mac.com> Message-ID: At 5:10 PM -0500 2001/06/07, Bob Kerstetter wrote: >I re-ran the 10 installer from CD as directed by Apple support. They >told me it would replace missing things only and not overwrite the >.1, .2 or .3 updates. However, after running the installer, "About >this Mac" showed version 10.0 plus the build number for 10.0, >confirmed by Apple support. When I ran update from the System >Preferences, the first pass picked up the new update software, the >second pass did .2 and third did .3. .1 was skipped. Beats me. But >that's what happened. > >"About this Mac" now shows 10.0.3 and build 4P13. I believe 10.0.2 was revved to include 10.0.1 (the download version always included all the 10.0.1 files, while the Software Update version I got didn't). Sounds like the OS version identification is a special case, and is *overwritten* by the installer, which is probably good, because it lets us reinstall .2 & .3 for certainty's sake. Chris Pepper -- Chris Pepper: Rockefeller U Computing Services: Mac OS X Software: From froy at austin.rr.com Fri Jun 8 08:03:29 2001 From: froy at austin.rr.com (Fabien Roy) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:23 2005 Subject: NeXTstation with VGA monitor? In-Reply-To: <200106081410.f58EAOs00286@didi.tiaxa.com> Message-ID: <200106081502.f58F2ru3020914@sm10.texas.rr.com> If the monitor can use composite sync on green channel (aka analog sync) you are ok. On Friday, June 8, 2001, at 09:10 AM, Alexandre Siufy wrote: > Hi folks, > > I hope some of you still use NeXT hardware :) I got one NeXTstation > box here, with all the cables, but the monitor (N4001) seems to be busted. > I have read that the interface is 13W3, which is (supposedly) the same > one used by old Sun and SGI machines. > Now, I do have a 13W3-to-VGA adaptor, and I wonder if it's safe to > use that to hook the NeXT box to a (modern) 19" SVGA monitor... > Thanks! ------ Fabien Roy 33 Lost Meadow Trail Lakeway TX 78738 512-608-0060 Home 512-796-9854 Cell froy@austin.rr.com fabienlroy@mac.com From alexandre at apple2.com Fri Jun 8 08:24:37 2001 From: alexandre at apple2.com (Alexandre Siufy) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:23 2005 Subject: NeXTstation with VGA monitor? In-Reply-To: <200106081502.f58F2ru3020914@sm10.texas.rr.com> Message-ID: <200106081523.f58FNuJ00285@didi.tiaxa.com> On sexta-feira, junho 8, 2001, at 11:03 , Fabien Roy wrote: > On Friday, June 8, 2001, at 09:10 AM, Alexandre Siufy wrote: > >> Hi folks, >> >> I hope some of you still use NeXT hardware :) I got one >> NeXTstation box here, with all the cables, but the monitor (N4001) >> seems to be busted. >> I have read that the interface is 13W3, which is (supposedly) the >> same one used by old Sun and SGI machines. >> Now, I do have a 13W3-to-VGA adaptor, and I wonder if it's safe >> to use that to hook the NeXT box to a (modern) 19" SVGA monitor... >> Thanks! > > If the monitor can use composite sync on green channel (aka analog > sync) you are ok. > Well, here's the blurb on the manufacturer's page: Input signal : Video: RGB analog (0.70Vp-p, 75ohms) Sync: H/V separate (TTL) composite sync Frequency: Fh: 30-95khz, Fv-50-180hz It is also here: http://www.viewsonic.com/productwizard/productdetail.cfm?productid=00031424-566D-18FF-B58780C4C7BE009A& tabmode=3 Please advise is this would work with the NeXT :) Thanks! -- Alexandre Siufy alexandre@apple2.com -Microsoft has performed an illegal operation and will be shut down- From joar at joar.com Fri Jun 8 08:26:05 2001 From: joar at joar.com (j o a r) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:23 2005 Subject: hostname is hosed, can't run WebObject applications In-Reply-To: <200106081424.HAA29168@smtpout.mac.com> Message-ID: On fredag, juni 8, 2001, at 04:20 , jfv@mac.com wrote: > I first tried to set my HOSTNAME=Hercule but this didn't work, same > problem. > Then I set it to HOSTNAME=localhost and it work. Do you know why ? > Why does the network stack can't resolve with a specific hostname > (other than localhost) ? > How can we configure it with the GUI ? is it possible ? Let me know if > it can be a NetInfo miss-configuration from me (but I have the plain > NetInfo setup, no major changes). Does your computer actually respond to "http://hercule.whaterverdomain.com"? If it does, then you should have no problem. If it doesn't, then your problem is that you need to understand that when you - or rather PB - supplies the web browser with a fully qualified domain name it will try to resolve that, and fail if that domain doesn't exist. If you on the other hand use localhost / 127.0.0.1 which are aliases to your machine, regardless of hostname and IP number, then all will always be fine. Regards, j o a r From willscheidegger at mac.com Fri Jun 8 08:31:22 2001 From: willscheidegger at mac.com (Will Scheidegger) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:23 2005 Subject: OT: Netwon sync on OSX? In-Reply-To: <20010608035913.A11441@uiuc.edu> References: <20010608035913.A11441@uiuc.edu> Message-ID: At 3:59 AM -0500 6/8/01, Nicholas Riley wrote: >On Fri, Jun 08, 2001 at 10:26:18AM +0200, Will Scheidegger wrote: > > - First of all: How to hook up your Newton to non-ADB hardware? >ADB? The only connections that I'm aware of for the Newton are >serial, LocalTalk, Ethernet (AppleTalk, TCP/IP), modem/PPP, and >IrDA. Hm.. yes. Of course. I don't know what I was thinking... > > - Software for backups, synchronisations? > >Unless you can get NCU to work in Classic, probably your best bet is >to see about an OS X port of Newton Data Browser: > > > >Since it's written in REALbasic the port to OS X shouldn't be too >bad. > >> - Compatible calendars? > >There's an Entourage sync, though I haven't used it: > >my Newton just functions as a glorified alarm >clock these days. What a waste of splendid technology ;-) No, seriousely: I have yet to see something with handwriting recognition only nearly as good as the Newton does it. I don't want to use special caracters on a 1x2" area and Ericssons smartphone is a joke compared to what the Newton does... To bad this was dumped. Thanks for your tips. Will From froy at austin.rr.com Fri Jun 8 08:58:41 2001 From: froy at austin.rr.com (Fabien Roy) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:23 2005 Subject: NeXTstation with VGA monitor? In-Reply-To: <200106081523.f58FNuJ00285@didi.tiaxa.com> Message-ID: <200106081558.f58FwTdQ028021@texlog2.texas.rr.com> You need to design your own sync separator. :-) I used to love to do hardware stuff! See http://www.national.com/pf/LM/LM1881.html http://www.national.com/ads-cgi/viewer.pl/ds/LM/LM1881.pdf On Friday, June 8, 2001, at 10:23 AM, Alexandre Siufy wrote: > Well, here's the blurb on the manufacturer's page: > > Input signal : > Video: RGB analog (0.70Vp-p, 75ohms) > Sync: H/V separate (TTL) composite sync > Frequency: Fh: 30-95khz, Fv-50-180hz ------ Fabien Roy 33 Lost Meadow Trail Lakeway TX 78738 512-608-0060 Home 512-796-9854 Cell froy@austin.rr.com fabienlroy@mac.com From jfv at mac.com Fri Jun 8 09:03:35 2001 From: jfv at mac.com (jfv@mac.com) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:25 2005 Subject: hostname is hosed, can't run WebObject applications In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200106081600.JAA05010@smtpout.mac.com> On Vendredi, juin 8, 2001, at 11:25 , j o a r wrote: > > On fredag, juni 8, 2001, at 04:20 , jfv@mac.com wrote: > >> I first tried to set my HOSTNAME=Hercule but this didn't work, same >> problem. >> Then I set it to HOSTNAME=localhost and it work. Do you know why ? >> Why does the network stack can't resolve with a specific hostname >> (other than localhost) ? >> How can we configure it with the GUI ? is it possible ? Let me know >> if it can be a NetInfo miss-configuration from me (but I have the >> plain NetInfo setup, no major changes). > > Does your computer actually respond to > "http://hercule.whaterverdomain.com"? Joar, here is my domain name (yes, it's empty): hercule% domainname hercule% In the Network Preference panel, I have 'videtron.ca' in my search domain. This is a single iMac connected to the net by cable modem. The service provider is videotron.ca. If I do ping on hercule: hercule% /sbin/ping hercule ping: unknown host hercule Obviously I'm not registered so : hercule% /sbin/ping hercule.videotron.ca ping: unknown host hercule.videotron.ca As expected this one work : hercule% /sbin/ping localhost PING localhost.videotron.ca (127.0.0.1): 56 data bytes 64 bytes from 127.0.0.1: icmp_seq=0 ttl=255 time=1.327 ms 64 bytes from 127.0.0.1: icmp_seq=1 ttl=255 time=0.436 ms 64 bytes from 127.0.0.1: icmp_seq=2 ttl=255 time=0.447 ms ^C --- localhost.videotron.ca ping statistics --- 3 packets transmitted, 3 packets received, 0% packet loss round-trip min/avg/max = 0.436/0.736/1.327 ms I don't mind going back to "localhost", but I would like to find out why this basic setup doesn't work. Where does it fail ? thanks, - jfv > > If it does, then you should have no problem. If it doesn't, then your > problem is that you need to understand that when you - or rather PB - > supplies the web browser with a fully qualified domain name it will try > to resolve that, and fail if that domain doesn't exist. > If you on the other hand use localhost / 127.0.0.1 which are aliases to > your machine, regardless of hostname and IP number, then all will > always be fine. > > Regards, > > j o a r > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/enriched Size: 2233 bytes Desc: not available Url : /mailman/archive/macosx-admin/attachments/20010608/0c357105/attachment.bin From pepper at mail.reppep.com Fri Jun 8 09:05:04 2001 From: pepper at mail.reppep.com (Chris Pepper) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:25 2005 Subject: apache-ssl for Mac OS X In-Reply-To: <1220171002-31672383@cicada.com> References: <1220171002-31672383@cicada.com> Message-ID: At 6:02 PM -0400 2001/06/07, Steven Mark McCraw wrote: >Hi everyone, > >I'm trying to figure out how to build/install apache-SSL for Mac OS >X. As I understand it, I need to first compile the latest version >of openSSL, so I downloaded it and tried to build it. However, the >configure script tells me that darwin is unsupported. I understand >that Mac OS X Server 10 ships with apachessl, so there must be a way >to get it and make it work on OS X. Am I missing something obvious? >Any hints would be greatly appreciated. You can use Fink , which can download and install OpenSSL for you. If you don't want to install via fink, you can review its openssl install files (/sw/fink//dists/stable/crypto/finkinfo/openssl-0.9.6-1.info & /sw/fink//dists/stable/crypto/finkinfo/openssl-0.9.6-1.patch on my system) to make the generic version work. Chris Pepper -- Chris Pepper: Rockefeller U Computing Services: Mac OS X Software: From pepper at mail.reppep.com Fri Jun 8 09:15:10 2001 From: pepper at mail.reppep.com (Chris Pepper) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:25 2005 Subject: Apache on two interfaces In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 3:28 PM +0200 2001/06/08, Morten R?nseth wrote: >Hi, > >This is basically an Apache question but also involves the Apple 4 port >e-net card. >I have installed the 4-port card in a BW G3 with OSX Server 2.0. I have 2 >interfaces running, one, which is the built-in port connected to the real >world (en0) and a second - port 1 on the card - which is connetcted to a >local virtual net (en1 on 192.168.1.*) (well, I actually have the remaing >three ports defined as well...). Also, all DNS entries are correct. > >Now, my problem is getting Apache to listen to both ports. It will quite >happily serve any site which is defined on the local net but any site >defineed on a "real"-world address just returns the global default page. >I.e. the server doesn't know it should associate the request with the >defined vhost. I have entered a "Listen" directive on both addresses. >Now, from the Terminal I can ping machines on both interfaces so it knows >its location. What happens if you telnet to port 80 and send "GET /" to both hosts? Is Apache running on both addresses? Can other hosts ping all 5 addresses? The fact that you see them from the local machine isn't conclusive. Chris -- Chris Pepper: Rockefeller U Computing Services: Mac OS X Software: From sherlock at rna.nl Fri Jun 8 09:18:43 2001 From: sherlock at rna.nl (Sherlock Holmes) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:25 2005 Subject: nfs mount? In-Reply-To: <200106081411.HAA11958@omnigroup.com> Message-ID: <20010608160506.69C4CAC69@spike.rna.nl> On Friday, June 8, 2001, at 04:11 PM, Jacques Menu wrote: > Hello SH, > > Le Vendredi 8 juin 2001, ? 03:47, Sherlock Holmes a ?crit : > >> I have a unix system here where I have added a directory to >> /etc/exports and I would like to mount that directory under Mac OS X >> 10.0.3. But I can't find the instructions. >> > > Did you try NFSManager from : > http://www.bresink.de/osx/index.html > Yes. That did not help. I create an automount entry to mount the directory on that other host. After reboot ((automount entries require reboot) there was an alias in /Network/Servers, but when I clicked it it isaid the alias was broken and it needed repair. Repair turned out to be trying to get it linked to something in my Documents directory. SH From dev at humph.com Fri Jun 8 09:42:02 2001 From: dev at humph.com (Giuliano Gavazzi (dev)) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:25 2005 Subject: Apache on two interfaces In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 3:28 PM +0200 2001/06/08, Morten R?nseth wrote: >Now, my problem is getting Apache to listen to both ports. It will quite you are contradicting yourself here, if you have problem getting apache to listen on both ports then you would not even get the global default page when accessing the problematic address. >happily serve any site which is defined on the local net but any site >defineed on a "real"-world address just returns the global default page. >I.e. the server doesn't know it should associate the request with the >defined vhost. I have entered a "Listen" directive on both addresses. >Now, from the Terminal I can ping machines on both interfaces so it knows >its location. > >So, why does Apache refuse to associate a "real"-world address with a vhost? >Any clues anybody? Here is an example virtual host (and of course one must have the Listen directive for this host somewhere else in the conf file. Options None ServerAdmin webmaster@whatever.com DocumentRoot /Library/WebServer/Documents/whatever.com ServerName www.whatever.com HostnameLookups Off ErrorLog /var/log/whatever.com-error_log TransferLog /var/log/whatever.com-access_log Anyway, you do not mention the logs... before asking the list I imagine you had a look at them to try to work out what is happening? Giuliano -- H U M P H || ||| software development of: Java & C++ Server/Client/Human Interface applications on MacOS - MacOS X http://www.humph.com/ From joar at joar.com Fri Jun 8 09:49:45 2001 From: joar at joar.com (j o a r) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:25 2005 Subject: hostname is hosed, can't run WebObject applications In-Reply-To: <200106081600.JAA05010@smtpout.mac.com> Message-ID: On fredag, juni 8, 2001, at 05:57 , jfv@mac.com wrote: > I don't mind going back to "localhost", but I would like to find out > why this basic setup doesn't work. > Where does it fail ? Well, I'm not all sure but my guess is that ProjectBuilder makes the sometimes (often?) erroneous assumption that if you have a hostname and a domain set, then it can use those two to make a fully qualified domain name to reference your machine on the network. Defenitely not true if you have a portable computer thanks to Apple's incomplete implementation of the Location Manager. Why it doesn't always default to localhost, I couldn't say. Or why there is no preference to turn this behaviour on / off. Regards, j o a r From rob at prometheusmedia.com Fri Jun 8 11:00:32 2001 From: rob at prometheusmedia.com (Robert Brandtjen) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:25 2005 Subject: Apple System Restore for Mac OS X In-Reply-To: Message-ID: on 6/7/01 11:16 AM, Michael Bartosh at mbartosh@mac.com wrote: > You can also create "customized" boot cd's (the cats that built in > support for 604's did this I think). > -Make a Toast image of the Mac OS X CD > -through Toast, mount the image > -Add the .03 and .03 packages (and any other packages you > want that will fit) to > /System/Installation/Packages > -unmount and burn Yep - except that we used system restore to get the OSX cd to a drive partition, then added the packages and then burned it. Works like a charm. :-) Robert Brandtjen -------------------------------------- Web Site Creation and Hosting Services Hostmaster@prometheusmedia.com www.prometheusmedia.com From alexandre at apple2.com Fri Jun 8 11:18:29 2001 From: alexandre at apple2.com (Alexandre Siufy) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:25 2005 Subject: NeXTstation with VGA monitor? In-Reply-To: <200106081558.f58FwTdQ028021@texlog2.texas.rr.com> Message-ID: <200106081817.f58IHgJ00301@didi.tiaxa.com> On sexta-feira, junho 8, 2001, at 11:58 , Fabien Roy wrote: > You need to design your own sync separator. :-) > I used to love to do hardware stuff! > See http://www.national.com/pf/LM/LM1881.html > http://www.national.com/ads-cgi/viewer.pl/ds/LM/LM1881.pdf This is waaay beyond my league... So I guess there is no easy way to plug a regular SVGA monitor to the NeXT box, without resorting to these expensive hacks? -- Alexandre Siufy alexandre@apple2.com Microsoft says they're going to create "fault tolerant" software. Why bother? They've spent two decades developing fault tolerant customers. From lists at colorremedies.com Fri Jun 8 11:39:45 2001 From: lists at colorremedies.com (Chris Murphy) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:25 2005 Subject: SMP disabled when using NFS service? Message-ID: <200106081839.LAA12538@scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net> http://til.info.apple.com/techinfo.nsf/artnum/n106338 It appears to apply only to exporting NFS volumes, not mounting (being a client). What's up with this? Chris Murphy Color Remedies (tm) Boulder, CO 303-415-9932 From centuri at mac.com Fri Jun 8 12:08:46 2001 From: centuri at mac.com (Robert Phelan) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:25 2005 Subject: Folders instead of apps!? Message-ID: After a week and a half of trying to get netinfo to work in spite itself. I've finally got an OSX 10.0.3 client machine binding to a parent domain on an OSX Server 10.0 machine. I've figured out how to add users to the parent domain and can now log in using any of those user's name/password combo. YAY! I have defeated the evil, cryptic, and generally less than stellar netinfo gui tools I have made it work, I have..... what the? Now when the client machine logs in using one of the accounts on the parent netinfo domain, all of the bundles(apps) are showing as folders instead. Nothing can run. What did I do wrong this time? What little trick did I miss that wasn't in the documentation? I've been assigned to do a feasibility study on the new OSX Server platform, and so far, it's getting a failing grade. Rober Phelan -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- Robert Phelan University Missouri Rolla Macintosh Development Analyst rjp231@umr.edu "If it's not on fire, you haven't clocked it high enough" ----------------------------------------------------------------- From jfv at mac.com Fri Jun 8 12:12:03 2001 From: jfv at mac.com (jfv@mac.com) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:25 2005 Subject: hostname is hosed, can't run WebObject applications In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200106081908.MAA25597@smtpout.mac.com> I may have put confusion into it, but it is not a ProjectBuilder issue (look at my initial mail that included the java stack). Same problem when executing the WOApp on the command line. I suspect a java network implementation problem, or simply a network configuration problem. thanks, - jfv On Vendredi, juin 8, 2001, at 12:49 , j o a r wrote: > > On fredag, juni 8, 2001, at 05:57 , jfv@mac.com wrote: > >> I don't mind going back to "localhost", but I would like to find out >> why this basic setup doesn't work. >> Where does it fail ? > > Well, I'm not all sure but my guess is that ProjectBuilder makes the > sometimes (often?) erroneous assumption that if you have a hostname and > a domain set, then it can use those two to make a fully qualified > domain name to reference your machine on the network. Defenitely not > true if you have a portable computer thanks to Apple's incomplete > implementation of the Location Manager. > > Why it doesn't always default to localhost, I couldn't say. Or why > there is no preference to turn this behaviour on / off. > > Regards, > > j o a r > From cwolf at wolfware.com Fri Jun 8 12:23:42 2001 From: cwolf at wolfware.com (Christopher Wolf) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:25 2005 Subject: Folders instead of apps!? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: *This message was transferred with a trial version of CommuniGate(tm) Pro* Your client machines can't find or read the users ~/Library/Preferences/LS* files. Either the users home directory is not accessible or those files are being mounted without the appropriate read access for the user. On Friday, June 8, 2001, at 03:09 PM, Robert Phelan wrote: > *This message was transferred with a trial version of CommuniGate(tm) > Pro* > After a week and a half of trying to get netinfo to work in spite > itself. I've finally got an OSX 10.0.3 client machine binding to a > parent domain on an OSX Server 10.0 machine. I've figured out how to > add users to the parent domain and can now log in using any of those > user's name/password combo. YAY! I have defeated the evil, cryptic, > and generally less than stellar netinfo gui tools I have made it work, > I have..... > > what the? > > Now when the client machine logs in using one of the accounts on the > parent netinfo domain, all of the bundles(apps) are showing as folders > instead. Nothing can run. What did I do wrong this time? What little > trick did I miss that wasn't in the documentation? > > I've been assigned to do a feasibility study on the new OSX Server > platform, and so far, it's getting a failing grade. > > Rober Phelan > -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- > Robert Phelan University Missouri Rolla > Macintosh Development Analyst rjp231@umr.edu > "If it's not on fire, you haven't clocked it high enough" > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-admin mailing list > MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin From cyoder at Adobe.COM Fri Jun 8 12:38:47 2001 From: cyoder at Adobe.COM (Conrad G T Yoder) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:25 2005 Subject: OS X installation woes Message-ID: <200106081938.MAA28502@grebel> I am trying to install OS X on my WallStreet PB. All seems to go well, until the machine reboots, gets the Mac OS X startup screen and announces all the services starting, etc, and then the screen goes to the blank blue screen, and I get alternating spinning beachball and pointer, ad infinitum. If I start up in verbose mode, during the alternating spinning beachball/pointer stage, I get the following message which pops up for about a second once every cycle: June 8 11:47:05 localhost WindowServer[202]: loginwindow connection closed; closing server. The date/time is updated to reflect the current time, and the number in the brackets increments by a few each time it appears. I have a 20GB HD, partitioned into 8GB (like Apple says I must for my pre-USB PB) and 12GB sections, both HFS+, OS 9.1 installed on the 12GB partition. No PCMCIA cards are installed. 320MB RAM (I know, not "officially" supported - 64+256, but I have been using it with OS 9.1 and have had no problems). I have tried it both plugged into the network and not. Battery in one bay slot, standard-issue DVD-ROM drive in the other. If I "reinstall," I get the same thing. Help! -Conrad From bkerstetter at mac.com Fri Jun 8 13:13:54 2001 From: bkerstetter at mac.com (Bob Kerstetter) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:25 2005 Subject: OS X installation woes In-Reply-To: <200106081938.MAA28502@grebel> Message-ID: <200106082013.NAA06738@smtpout.mac.com> did you install On Friday, June 8, 2001, at 02:38 PM, Conrad G T Yoder wrote: > 320MB RAM (I know, not "officially" supported - > 64+256, but I have been using it with OS 9.1 and have had no problems). Did you install a firmware update? From janos.lobb at yale.edu Fri Jun 8 13:55:13 2001 From: janos.lobb at yale.edu (=?iso-8859-1?Q?J=E1nos_L=F6bb?=) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:25 2005 Subject: Folders instead of apps!? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200106082054.f58KsuQ10412@pantheon-po01.its.yale.edu> I asked the same question a week or so ago and got a fine answer from Holger Watermann. Here it is: Hello J?nos Look into Netinfo manager "users" and there for the path to your 'Home' folder. I had the same Problems after assigning Accounts from 'Server Admin" Got an crippled Pathname there, change it to the correct path, starting with "/Volumes/..." and all was well. Maybe to go there you have to login as "root"! good luck - Holger Looks to me that on the server one of the names - host, domain,... - is not set correctly. J?nos On Friday, June 8, 2001, at 03:09 PM, Robert Phelan wrote: > After a week and a half of trying to get netinfo to work in spite > itself. I've finally got an OSX 10.0.3 client machine binding to a > parent domain on an OSX Server 10.0 machine. I've figured out how to > add users to the parent domain and can now log in using any of those > user's name/password combo. YAY! I have defeated the evil, cryptic, > and generally less than stellar netinfo gui tools I have made it work, > I have..... > > what the? > > Now when the client machine logs in using one of the accounts on the > parent netinfo domain, all of the bundles(apps) are showing as folders > instead. Nothing can run. What did I do wrong this time? What little > trick did I miss that wasn't in the documentation? > > I've been assigned to do a feasibility study on the new OSX Server > platform, and so far, it's getting a failing grade. > > Rober Phelan > -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- > Robert Phelan University Missouri Rolla > Macintosh Development Analyst rjp231@umr.edu > "If it's not on fire, you haven't clocked it high enough" > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-admin mailing list > MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin > "A cyber virgin has never had intercourse outside of virtual reality, whereas a virtual virgin has never had intercourse with a real person even in virtual reality" - Ray Kurzweil - "The age of spiritual machines" From JJEgger at msd.k12.wi.us Fri Jun 8 14:02:19 2001 From: JJEgger at msd.k12.wi.us (Egger, Jeremy) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:25 2005 Subject: MM 2.0.1 (GROUP BUG?) Message-ID: <990986872734D51186EA00B0D03D95CC11B866@ntexchange.msd.k12.wi.us> Believe it or not the issue has to do with the client and an extension conflict with Norton Antivirus 7. Disabled Norton and it worked fine. I did try using less protection in the prefs for norton, that didn't work. Good luck everyone. Jeremy > ---------- > From: Steven Kolins > Sent: Friday, June 8, 2001 8:54 AM > To: Egger, Jeremy > Cc: macintosh-manager@lists.apple.com; macosx-admin@omnigroup.com; > macos-x-server@lists.apple.com > Subject: Re: MM 2.0.1 (GROUP BUG?) > > JJEgger@msd.k12.wi.us writes: > > I checked my > >mm share point and it has MMuser as the owner > > I bet if you change the owner of that sharepoint to the name of the > Macintosh > Manager User (whatever it is in MM 2). > > One trick in MM 1.x i did was to set to login automatically as Macintosh > Manager User with no pw. > > ' ' ' ' ' ' ''"""""""""""'' ' ' ' ' ' > Steven Kolins > Alamance-Burlington NC USA, School System Computer Tech > mailto:Steven_Kolins@abss.k12.nc.us > http://homepage.mac.com/smkolins > Possess a pure, kindly and radiant heart! > > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-admin mailing list > MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin > > From lists at colorremedies.com Fri Jun 8 14:03:07 2001 From: lists at colorremedies.com (Chris Murphy) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:25 2005 Subject: backup options, was: HFS+ or UFS? Message-ID: <200106082103.OAA00798@albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Richard Peskin >AND given the large number of files in a typical >OS X system, Retrospect will overflow the 64k resource fork limit for >its storage of file names. Could you please elaborate on this? File names aren't stored in the resource fork, so I'm unclear why a 64k resource fork limit would apply to file names. I'd also like more information on this 64k limit that Retrospect seems to have. It's not a problem on OS 9 HFS+ systems, so what about OS X HFS+ volumes makes this problematic? My understanding is the Retrospect Client for OS X beta does preserve long file names, as well as file/folder ownership/group and permissions information (which Retrospect Backup does NOT). Have you confirmed that the Retrospect Client for OS X beta only supports HFS/HFS+ volumes and not UFS? Chris Murphy Color Remedies (tm) Boulder, CO 303-415-9932 From cyoder at Adobe.COM Fri Jun 8 14:15:12 2001 From: cyoder at Adobe.COM (Conrad G T Yoder) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:25 2005 Subject: OS X installation woes In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 08 Jun 2001 15:13:30 CDT." <200106082013.NAA25729@smtpout.mac.com> Message-ID: <200106082114.OAA28647@grebel> At Fri, 8 Jun 2001 15:13:30 -0500, Bob Kerstetter wrote: > >On Friday, June 8, 2001, at 02:38 PM, Conrad G T Yoder wrote: > >> 320MB RAM (I know, not "officially" supported - >> 64+256, but I have been using it with OS 9.1 and have had no problems). > >Did you install a firmware update? I did, but it was a while ago - the most recent round of firmware updates did not apply to WallStreet PBs. -Conrad From lists at colorremedies.com Fri Jun 8 15:39:44 2001 From: lists at colorremedies.com (Chris Murphy) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:26 2005 Subject: Error in TIL - Max files in HFS+ folder Message-ID: <200106082117.OAA14233@harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net> Chris Irvine >This is not correct. I just created more than 32k files in a single >directory from darwin 1.3.3 on an HFS+ volume. In fact I wondered if it >would be easy to find a limit. My test script stopped at 200,000. Not >sure what the real limit is. This TIL article doesn't make it very clear that it's referring to HFS+ in the context of Mac OS 9 and earlier. In that context, the limit is correct. In the context of HFS+ itself, not in conjunction with an operating system, I haven't found a TIL article that is clear on this issue. Darwin may or may not have its own limit, and then the OS X Finder may place yet another limit. Chris Murphy Color Remedies (tm) Boulder, CO 303-415-9932 From arnoud at mac.com Fri Jun 8 15:54:39 2001 From: arnoud at mac.com (Arnoud Helmantel) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:26 2005 Subject: backup options, was: HFS+ or UFS? In-Reply-To: <200106082103.OAA00798@albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20010608215946.IMLN8699.amsmta04-svc@crash> On vrijdag, juni 8, 2001, at 11:03 , Chris Murphy wrote: > Richard Peskin > >> AND given the large number of files in a typical >> OS X system, Retrospect will overflow the 64k resource fork limit for >> its storage of file names. > > Could you please elaborate on this? File names aren't stored in the > resource fork, so I'm unclear why a 64k resource fork limit would apply > to file names. I'd also like more information on this 64k limit that > Retrospect seems to have. It's not a problem on OS 9 HFS+ systems, so > what about OS X HFS+ volumes makes this problematic? > The problem is that Retrospect server is backing up the catalog data partly into the resource fork. I cannot remember what exactly gets backed up into the resource fork, but the problem arises with the MacOSX volumes that generally contain way more than 30.000 files. If you have installed the developer tools the default clean install gets you about 70.000 files on the volume, this might get you into problems. The limit was not 64k BTW, that would be ridiculously low (just paste a PICT into a resource and get 300k added to it) I think it was more like 16MB. > My understanding is the Retrospect Client for OS X beta does preserve > long file names, as well as file/folder ownership/group and permissions > information (which Retrospect Backup does NOT). > Correct. > Have you confirmed that the Retrospect Client for OS X beta only > supports > HFS/HFS+ volumes and not UFS? > I would like to point to the Retrospect Client beta mailinglist, to be had at the site that holds the beta download. A number of Dantz' employees are quite willing to help you out with any problems you might have (or questions). greetings, Arnoud From arnoud at mac.com Fri Jun 8 16:17:59 2001 From: arnoud at mac.com (Arnoud Helmantel) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:26 2005 Subject: Folders instead of apps!? In-Reply-To: <200106082054.f58KsuQ10412@pantheon-po01.its.yale.edu> Message-ID: <20010608220410.OQVM28668.amsmta05-svc@crash> On vrijdag, juni 8, 2001, at 10:54 , J?nos L?bb wrote: >> Now when the client machine logs in using one of the accounts on the >> parent netinfo domain, all of the bundles(apps) are showing as folders >> instead. Nothing can run. What did I do wrong this time? What little >> trick did I miss that wasn't in the documentation? Try this: log in, go to the Library/Preferences folder and delete the following files: LSClaimedTypes LSApplications LSSchemes log out log back in this should have fixed it... Arnoud From amh at gene.COM Fri Jun 8 16:36:43 2001 From: amh at gene.COM (Aaron Hubbard) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:26 2005 Subject: OSX VNC References: <20010608220410.OQVM28668.amsmta05-svc@crash> Message-ID: <3B216181.515F5745@gene.com> http://www.osxvnc.com/ VNC for Mac OS X, kinda beta though. -- ******************************************************************* Aaron Hubbard Systems Specialist Manufacturing Information Technologies mailto:amh@gene.com Genentech, Inc. http://www.gene.com ******************************************************************* From morten.ronseth at rayon.no Fri Jun 8 23:22:16 2001 From: morten.ronseth at rayon.no (Rayon as) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:26 2005 Subject: Apache on two interfaces In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi, Thanks to all of you who replied, this was quite a tricky one until it suddenly dawned on me what machine I was running apache on. The machine has OS X Server installed. The OSXS 2.0 has a thing called "webperfcache". A Web Performance Cache. As Tenon does when iTools runs squid as a web cache, Apple uses port 81 to communicate between the web server and the cache. I had forgotten this and configured all vhosts to respond to port 80. Changing this to port 81 fixed it all. Pheeeew! Cheers, -Morten --------------------------------------------------------------- Rayon Interactive AS http://www.rayon.no Morten Lerskau R?nseth mailto:morten.ronseth@rayon.no Karenslyst All? 16d Tlf.: (47) 2254 1820 0278 Oslo Fax : (47) 2254 1821 Norway Mob.: (47) 9343 4357 From morten.ronseth at rayon.no Fri Jun 8 23:26:56 2001 From: morten.ronseth at rayon.no (Rayon as) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:26 2005 Subject: Apache on two interfaces In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Well, not entirely true: Apple uses port 16080, Tenon uses 81. I have changed webperfcache to use port 81, also. I stand corrected. Cheers, -Morten --------------------------------------------------------------- Rayon Interactive AS http://www.rayon.no Morten Lerskau R?nseth mailto:morten.ronseth@rayon.no Karenslyst All? 16d Tlf.: (47) 2254 1820 0278 Oslo Fax : (47) 2254 1821 Norway Mob.: (47) 9343 4357 PGP : 0x823A729C ICQ : 25163080 > From: Rayon as > Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2001 08:22:08 +0200 > To: > Subject: Re: Apache on two interfaces > > Hi, > > Thanks to all of you who replied, this was quite a tricky one until it > suddenly dawned on me what machine I was running apache on. The machine has OS > X Server installed. The OSXS 2.0 has a thing called "webperfcache". A Web > Performance Cache. As Tenon does when iTools runs squid as a web cache, Apple > uses port 81 to communicate between the web server and the cache. I had > forgotten this and configured all vhosts to respond to port 80. Changing this > to port 81 fixed it all. > > Pheeeew! > > > Cheers, From cjm at purdue.edu Sat Jun 9 01:58:48 2001 From: cjm at purdue.edu (Chad J McQuinn) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:26 2005 Subject: netinfo, dns, reverse lookup Message-ID: I've got two machines with private ip addresses (192.168.X.X) and telnet/ssh between them is very slow. This is because they also have (through a router) internet connections, and so upon connecting a reverse DNS is attempted. Of course it fails, and I have to wait for it to time out before the connection can be made. ssh in particular takes forever. On linux I would just edit /etc/resolv.conf to have "order hosts, " and then reverse lookups would check my /etc/hosts first. The semantics are a little different on OS X, but following the man page for resolv.conf, I have added a line "lookup file,bind". If I do this and then restart nibindd and lookupd, then the telnet connections happen at normal speed and there are no log messages about failed DNS lookups. The problem is that /etc/resolv.conf is really /var/run/resolv.conf, and it is auto-generated at restart or when the network connection changes--and I do that a lot, since one of the machines is a laptop. So, surely it's something in netinfo that needs changing. I have added /locations/resolver to netinfo with the following keys: nameserver = (128.210.11.57, 128.210.11.5) search = (purdue.edu, cc.purdue.edu, math.purdue.edu) lookup = (file, bind) but this doesn't seem to solve the problem, because the auto-generated resolv.conf file still does not contain any 'lookup' line, and then the telnet connections stall because of DNS timeouts (even after restart). Of course I should mention both computers have a valid /etc/hosts file containing both private ip addresses and (phony) host names, and it has been loaded into netinfo. Am I doing something wrong? What is the correct way to have reverse DNS first check /etc/hosts (or netinfo hosts)? Thanks, -Chad From dev at humph.com Sat Jun 9 03:36:40 2001 From: dev at humph.com (Giuliano Gavazzi (dev)) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:26 2005 Subject: netinfo, dns, reverse lookup In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 3:59 AM -0500 2001/06/09, Chad J McQuinn wrote: >Am I doing something wrong? What is the correct way to have reverse >DNS first check /etc/hosts (or netinfo hosts)? Look up man lookupd, there is the answer (and I think I have posted sometime ago about this). In short you can create a file /etc/lookupd/hosts consisting of the line: LookupOrder CacheAgent FFAgent DNSAgent NIAgent NILAgent Note that the NILAgent will give negative answers (when all other agents fail), and so you might not want to have it there. Giuliano -- H U M P H || ||| software development of: Java & C++ Server/Client/Human Interface applications on MacOS - MacOS X http://www.humph.com/ From eckart_hasselbrink at mac.com Sat Jun 9 06:04:15 2001 From: eckart_hasselbrink at mac.com (Eckart Hasselbrink) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:26 2005 Subject: Classic System folder and protection Message-ID: <200106091303.GAA09203@smtpout.mac.com> I have by now learned that the classic enironment in OS X has no concept of a user. I.e. everybody works and fools with the same set of preferences. Moreover, I am just leaning that also every users has to have write rights for the "System folder". Is is possible to protect at least subdirectories or to dynamically map the preference folder to some location in the users home directory tree? As it is out of the box, it is IMHO a step backwards from OS 9 or X Server 1.x, when you run a set of machines in an lab environment or with users hopping from one machine to the other. Eckart __________________________________________________________________ Eckart Hasselbrink Graf-Bernadotte-Str. 50 45133 Essen FON: +49 201 4553382 Germany From eckart_hasselbrink at mac.com Sat Jun 9 06:59:49 2001 From: eckart_hasselbrink at mac.com (Eckart Hasselbrink) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:26 2005 Subject: UFS/HFS and workgroup server Message-ID: <200106091355.GAA17003@smtpout.mac.com> I have followed the recent discussion about UFS vs HFS+ and the merits of MacOS X Server 2 with interest. The background for my question is: I want a server for a mixed group of about a dozen Macs running either X or 9 using new and classic applications. Users move from machine to machine. I want to place the users home directories on the server. These and some other directories need to be transparently accessible from every machine when using new or classic applications. I know that I can mount the user's home directories via NFS. (I presently do this using a UFS partition on a server running Solaris). But applications running in the classic world will not see these. If I could serve the same directories at the same time via AFP I could make them available to the classic environment and to the machines running OS 9. (Mounting the same directory simultaneously via NFS and AFP may give rise to interesting effects?) However, I see a few problems: a) If I import a home directory via NFS from a HFS+ volume, I seem to loose the meta-information on most file. I.e they have no icon, carbon applications can not be launched, etc b) However, HFS+ seems to be what MacOS X Server wants to run from. Question: Can MacOS X S 2 serve AFP from a UFS volume? More generally: how would you solve my request? To me it looks like my scenario should not be too uncommon. I would think for the forseable future such a mixed environment is rather the rule than the exception. However, the documentation is very unclear, and the sales people are clueless. TIA, Eckart __________________________________________________________________ Eckart Hasselbrink Graf-Bernadotte-Str. 50 45133 Essen FON: +49 201 4553382 Germany From scott_ribe at killerbytes.com Sat Jun 9 10:16:12 2001 From: scott_ribe at killerbytes.com (Scott Ribe) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:26 2005 Subject: Error in TIL - Max files in HFS+ folder In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20010609171601.27542@smtp.rmi.net> On Thu, Jun 7, 2001, Chris Irvine wrote: >Connecting over AFP from 9.0.4 to this folder, via AppleFileServer, >didn't do so well. Finder's "Get info" never finished calculating, and >trying to open the folder to a window crashed my client. > >OK Apple! I won't complain about things being better than you claim... >But what is the real limit. Please rev the til article. So... The fact that you can't view the folder in the Finder is not a limit??? Seriously, as was discussed at great length here last week, there is no practical limit in HFS+ on how many files you can dump into a folder. The limit is documented (in the HFS+ technote, #1150 I think) as being in higher-level APIs, and it looks like your tests might have run into a couple of those. Scott Ribe scott_ribe@killerbytes.com http://www.killerbytes.com/ (303) 665-7007 voice From scott_ribe at killerbytes.com Sat Jun 9 10:20:00 2001 From: scott_ribe at killerbytes.com (Scott Ribe) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:26 2005 Subject: HFS+ or UFS? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20010609171956.3890@smtp.rmi.net> On Fri, Jun 8, 2001, j o a r wrote: >It is the "Catalog file", ie. a snapshot of the directory tree of the >backed up machine, that is stored in the resource fork when using a file >backup set. This catalog file will excede 16 MB in size for a standard >Mac OS X install, and thereby be larger then what is supported for >resource forks. If Dantz had choosen not to store the catalog file in >the resource fork, but rather in the data fork of the backup file - or >in a separate file - this wouldn't have been a problem. > I believe a file backup set is also limited to 2GB (compressed), which means that the limit on catalog size is not unreasonable in conjunction. File backup sets are not really intended to hold huge system backups; they are a convenience for archiving particular directories. Scott Ribe scott_ribe@killerbytes.com http://www.killerbytes.com/ (303) 665-7007 voice From rpeskin at rlpcon.com Sat Jun 9 10:25:55 2001 From: rpeskin at rlpcon.com (Richard Peskin) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:26 2005 Subject: Help needed on moving whole system Message-ID: <200106091725.f59HPm527779@mailgate0.sover.net> I need to "relocate" my whole Mac OS X system onto a new partition. Is there a relatively painless way to do this? Should I use "ditto" or "CpMac"? The system is currently on an HFS+ partition and needs to be moved to a larger one. After I create the new partition, do I need to do an install from the distribution CD in order to set up the boot tracks? (I want to move rather than re-install because I don't have "packages" for the updates to 10.0.3, and I don't want to re-install applications.) thanks for any help, --dick peskin Richard L. Peskin, RLP Consulting, Londonderry, VT http://www.rlpcon.com http://www.caip.rutgers.edu/~peskin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Users move from machine to machine. I want to place the > users home directories on the server. These and some other directories > need to be transparently accessible from every machine when using new or > classic applications. > > I know that I can mount the user's home directories via NFS. (I > presently do this using a UFS partition on a server running Solaris). > But applications running in the classic world will not see these. > > If I could serve the same directories at the same time via AFP I could > make them available to the classic environment and to the machines > running OS 9. (Mounting the same directory simultaneously via NFS and > AFP may give rise to interesting effects?) > > However, I see a few problems: > > a) If I import a home directory via NFS from a HFS+ volume, I seem to > loose the meta-information on most file. I.e they have no icon, carbon > applications can not be launched, etc > > b) However, HFS+ seems to be what MacOS X Server wants to run from. > > Question: > > Can MacOS X S 2 serve AFP from a UFS volume? > > More generally: how would you solve my request? To me it looks like my > scenario should not be too uncommon. I would think for the forseable > future such a mixed environment is rather the rule than the exception. > However, the documentation is very unclear, and the sales people are > clueless. > > TIA, > > Eckart From chris707 at pacbell.net Sat Jun 9 11:02:49 2001 From: chris707 at pacbell.net (Chris) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:26 2005 Subject: CpMac's '-mac' argument? Message-ID: <0GEO00J6HCSI1D@mta5.snfc21.pbi.net> Just curious, does anyone happen to know the function of the "-mac" option that's listed as one of /Developer/Tools/CpMac's arguments? As in: usage: /Developer/Tools/CpMac [-r] [-mac] ... CpMac works mostly like cp, but knows about resource forks. Including '-mac' in any CpMac command line I can think of always returns an error. TIA From Jacques.Menu at urbanet.ch Sat Jun 9 13:21:11 2001 From: Jacques.Menu at urbanet.ch (Jacques Menu) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:26 2005 Subject: Moving OS X to another disk Message-ID: <3B22852D.C656D36F@urbanet.ch> Hello Richard, Did you try the standard Unix way : dump -0 -f - / | (cd /mnt; restore -x -f -) assuming you are to duplicate / to another partition mounted under /mnt ? Hope this helps ! Regards, -- Richard Peskin wrote: > I need to "relocate" my whole Mac OS X system onto a new partition. Is > there a relatively painless way to do this? Should I use "ditto" or > "CpMac"? The system is currently on an HFS+ partition and needs to be > moved to a larger one. After I create the new partition, do I need to > do an install from the distribution CD in order to set up the boot > tracks? (I want to move rather than re-install because I don't have > "packages" for the updates to 10.0.3, and I don't want to re-install > applications.) > thanks for any help, > --dick peskin > > Richard L. Peskin, RLP Consulting, Londonderry, VT > http://www.rlpcon.com > http://www.caip.rutgers.edu/~peskin From lists at colorremedies.com Sat Jun 9 13:43:05 2001 From: lists at colorremedies.com (Chris Murphy) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:26 2005 Subject: Folders instead of apps!? Message-ID: <200106092042.NAA23694@scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net> Robert Phelan >After a week and a half of trying to get netinfo to work in spite >itself. I've finally got an OSX 10.0.3 client machine binding to a >parent domain on an OSX Server 10.0 machine. I've figured out how to >add users to the parent domain and can now log in using any of those >user's name/password combo. One question. When you do this on X Server, where is each user's home folder stored? If it creates a local home folder for the user, then somehow it has to automatically configure each client (machine) to use NFS and perform a mount of the user's home folder. Otherwise it's not available. Is this done? I don't have an OS X Server machine so I can't check what it's doing. >Nothing can run. What did I do wrong this time? >What little trick did I miss that wasn't in the documentation? It's a legit copy, call Apple and ask them. That way you can include Apple's responsiveness on tech support into your feasibility study. Chris Murphy Color Remedies (tm) Boulder, CO 303-415-9932 From lists at colorremedies.com Sat Jun 9 13:46:33 2001 From: lists at colorremedies.com (Chris Murphy) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:26 2005 Subject: OS X installation woes Message-ID: <200106092046.NAA07137@avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net> Conrad G T Yoder writes: >If I start up in verbose mode, during the alternating spinning >beachball/pointer >stage, I get the following message which pops up for about a second once >every >cycle: > >June 8 11:47:05 localhost WindowServer[202]: loginwindow connection closed; >closing server. Sounds like you have a bad font in your Mac OS 9 "System folder:Fonts" folder. Boot into OS 9 and drag all of the fonts in your fonts folder to a new folder somewhere else (like on the desktop or something). Then reboot into OS X. Mac OS X is very fussy in regards to fonts and is not forgiving at all. Bad fonts (even thought that work fine on OS 9) will cause OS X to hang on startup like what you are describing. Chris Murphy Color Remedies (tm) Boulder, CO 303-415-9932 From tony at engr.arizona.edu Sat Jun 9 14:53:57 2001 From: tony at engr.arizona.edu (Anthony D. Hess) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:27 2005 Subject: Moving OS X to another disk In-Reply-To: <3B22852D.C656D36F@urbanet.ch> Message-ID: Pardon my ignorance, but does dump support resource forks? He could end up with a lot of broken stuff, right? Tony On Sat, 9 Jun 2001, Jacques Menu wrote: > Hello Richard, > > Did you try the standard Unix way : > > dump -0 -f - / | (cd /mnt; restore -x -f -) > > assuming you are to duplicate / to another partition mounted under /mnt > ? > > Hope this helps ! > > Regards, > > -- > > Richard Peskin wrote: > > > I need to "relocate" my whole Mac OS X system onto a new partition. Is > > there a relatively painless way to do this? Should I use "ditto" or > > "CpMac"? The system is currently on an HFS+ partition and needs to be > > moved to a larger one. After I create the new partition, do I need to > > do an install from the distribution CD in order to set up the boot > > tracks? (I want to move rather than re-install because I don't have > > "packages" for the updates to 10.0.3, and I don't want to re-install > > applications.) > > thanks for any help, > > --dick peskin > > > > Richard L. Peskin, RLP Consulting, Londonderry, VT > > http://www.rlpcon.com > > http://www.caip.rutgers.edu/~peskin > > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-admin mailing list > MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin > Anthony Hess Support Systems Analyst, Senior COEM Computer Support Group University of Arizona From epeyton at epicware.com Sat Jun 9 15:21:31 2001 From: epeyton at epicware.com (Eric Peyton) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:27 2005 Subject: Moving OS X to another disk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20010609222058.69E436BAA@smtp-1.enteract.com> Yes, you are correct. I am pretty sure that dump will only work on UFS systems. Eric On Saturday, June 9, 2001, at 04:53 PM, Anthony D. Hess wrote: > Pardon my ignorance, but does dump support resource forks? He > could end > up with a lot of broken stuff, right? > > Tony > > On Sat, 9 Jun 2001, Jacques Menu wrote: > >> Hello Richard, >> >> Did you try the standard Unix way : >> >> dump -0 -f - / | (cd /mnt; restore -x -f -) >> >> assuming you are to duplicate / to another partition mounted >> under /mnt >> ? >> >> Hope this helps ! >> >> Regards, >> >> -- >> >> Richard Peskin wrote: >> >>> I need to "relocate" my whole Mac OS X system onto a new >>> partition. Is >>> there a relatively painless way to do this? Should I use "ditto" or >>> "CpMac"? The system is currently on an HFS+ partition and needs to be >>> moved to a larger one. After I create the new partition, do I need to >>> do an install from the distribution CD in order to set up the boot >>> tracks? (I want to move rather than re-install because I don't have >>> "packages" for the updates to 10.0.3, and I don't want to re-install >>> applications.) >>> thanks for any help, >>> --dick peskin >>> >>> Richard L. Peskin, RLP Consulting, Londonderry, VT >>> http://www.rlpcon.com >>> http://www.caip.rutgers.edu/~peskin >> >> _______________________________________________ >> MacOSX-admin mailing list >> MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com >> http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin >> > > Anthony Hess > Support Systems Analyst, Senior > COEM Computer Support Group > University of Arizona > > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-admin mailing list > MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin From rpeskin at rlpcon.com Sat Jun 9 16:12:30 2001 From: rpeskin at rlpcon.com (Richard Peskin) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:27 2005 Subject: Moving OS X to another disk In-Reply-To: <3B22852D.C656D36F@urbanet.ch> Message-ID: <200106092312.f59NCPJ21114@mailgate0.sover.net> I was under the impression that dump and restore don't work with HFS+ file systems. --dick peskin On Saturday, June 9, 2001, at 04:21 PM, Jacques Menu wrote: > Hello Richard, > > Did you try the standard Unix way : > > dump -0 -f - / | (cd /mnt; restore -x -f -) > > assuming you are to duplicate / to another partition mounted under /mnt > ? > > Hope this helps ! > > Regards, > > -- > > Richard Peskin wrote: > >> I need to "relocate" my whole Mac OS X system onto a new partition. Is >> there a relatively painless way to do this? Should I use "ditto" or >> "CpMac"? The system is currently on an HFS+ partition and needs to be >> moved to a larger one. After I create the new partition, do I need to >> do an install from the distribution CD in order to set up the boot >> tracks? (I want to move rather than re-install because I don't have >> "packages" for the updates to 10.0.3, and I don't want to re-install >> applications.) >> thanks for any help, >> --dick peskin >> >> Richard L. Peskin, RLP Consulting, Londonderry, VT >> http://www.rlpcon.com >> http://www.caip.rutgers.edu/~peskin > Richard L. Peskin, RLP Consulting, Londonderry, VT http://www.rlpcon.com http://www.caip.rutgers.edu/~peskin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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From jhauser at usc.edu Sun Jun 10 12:09:14 2001 From: jhauser at usc.edu (Jeep Hauser) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:27 2005 Subject: StepWise: PHP Build instructions Message-ID: Question: I've seen other PHP build instructions, and they all say to configure with --disable-pear because of the PEAR vs. pear problem on HFS+, but Scott's instructions don't mention this issue. I doubt he'd presume everyone is installing on UFS, but he might know something that we don't and the --disable-pear is not really needed. Or is this dealt with in the genif.sh file he provides? Is there a final ruling on --disable-pear? Jeep From eckart_hasselbrink at mac.com Sun Jun 10 12:12:11 2001 From: eckart_hasselbrink at mac.com (Eckart Hasselbrink) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:27 2005 Subject: UFS/HFS and workgroup server In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200106101909.MAA12095@smtpout.mac.com> Not a word about server, exporting home directories, NFS etc. in it. It says: "Unless you have a specific reason to use UFS, you should use the Mac OS Extended format ...UFS may be preferable for developing UNIX-based applications within Mac OS X" No other pecific reasons exemplified. Eckart On Saturday, June 9, 2001, at 07:25, Irfan Rahman wrote: > > There is a recent TIL Article about this....this might be helpful... > > Mac OS X 10.0: Choosing UFS or Mac OS Extended (HFS Plus) Formatting > (#25316) > http://til.info.apple.com/techinfo.nsf/artnum/n25316/ > > ------ > Irfan Rahman > irfan@irfanrahman.com > > > on 6/9/01 9:55 AM, Eckart Hasselbrink at eckart_hasselbrink@mac.com > wrote: > >> I have followed the recent discussion about UFS vs HFS+ and the merits >> of MacOS X Server 2 with interest. >> >> The background for my question is: I want a server for a mixed group of >> about a dozen Macs running either X or 9 using new and classic >> applications. Users move from machine to machine. I want to place the >> users home directories on the server. These and some other directories >> need to be transparently accessible from every machine when using new >> or >> classic applications. >> >> I know that I can mount the user's home directories via NFS. (I >> presently do this using a UFS partition on a server running Solaris). >> But applications running in the classic world will not see these. >> >> If I could serve the same directories at the same time via AFP I could >> make them available to the classic environment and to the machines >> running OS 9. (Mounting the same directory simultaneously via NFS and >> AFP may give rise to interesting effects?) >> >> However, I see a few problems: >> >> a) If I import a home directory via NFS from a HFS+ volume, I seem to >> loose the meta-information on most file. I.e they have no icon, carbon >> applications can not be launched, etc >> >> b) However, HFS+ seems to be what MacOS X Server wants to run from. >> >> Question: >> >> Can MacOS X S 2 serve AFP from a UFS volume? >> >> More generally: how would you solve my request? To me it looks like my >> scenario should not be too uncommon. I would think for the forseable >> future such a mixed environment is rather the rule than the exception. >> However, the documentation is very unclear, and the sales people are >> clueless. >> >> TIA, >> >> Eckart > __________________________________________________________________ Eckart Hasselbrink Graf-Bernadotte-Str. 50 45133 Essen FON: +49 201 4553382 Germany From waltd at wdstudio.com Sun Jun 10 12:21:50 2001 From: waltd at wdstudio.com (Walter Lee Davis) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:27 2005 Subject: StepWise: PHP Build instructions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I recall reading somewhere that the pear/PEAR thing was fixed in 4.0.5, but I haven't tried it myself. Walter On 6/10/01 3:08 PM, "Jeep Hauser" wrote: > Question: > > I've seen other PHP build instructions, and they all say to configure > with --disable-pear because of the PEAR vs. pear problem on HFS+, but > Scott's instructions don't mention this issue. I doubt he'd presume > everyone is installing on UFS, but he might know something that we > don't and the --disable-pear is not really needed. Or is this dealt > with in the genif.sh file he provides? > > Is there a final ruling on --disable-pear? > > Jeep > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-admin mailing list > MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin > From finlay.dobbie at btinternet.com Sun Jun 10 12:26:02 2001 From: finlay.dobbie at btinternet.com (Finlay Dobbie) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:27 2005 Subject: StepWise: PHP Build instructions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: it was. the stepwise build instructions did say it when it was necessarry :-) -- Finlay On Sunday, June 10, 2001, at 08:21 pm, Walter Lee Davis wrote: > I recall reading somewhere that the pear/PEAR thing was fixed in 4.0.5, > but > I haven't tried it myself. From jhauser at usc.edu Sun Jun 10 12:48:29 2001 From: jhauser at usc.edu (Jeep Hauser) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:27 2005 Subject: StepWise: PHP Build instructions Message-ID: At 8:24 PM +0100 6/10/01, Finlay Dobbie wrote: >it was. the stepwise build instructions did say it when it was necessarry :-) > > -- Finlay >On Sunday, June 10, 2001, at 08:21 pm, Walter Lee Davis wrote: > >>I recall reading somewhere that the pear/PEAR thing was fixed in 4.0.5, but >>I haven't tried it myself. Got it -- thanks! Jeep From cwolf at wolfware.com Sun Jun 10 14:16:08 2001 From: cwolf at wolfware.com (Christopher Wolf) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:27 2005 Subject: UFS/HFS and workgroup server In-Reply-To: <200106101909.MAA12095@smtpout.mac.com> Message-ID: *This message was transferred with a trial version of CommuniGate(tm) Pro* Here's my take on some of the relative issues to serving home-directories from HFS+ and UFS via NFS... I've done both... UFS: - case-sensitive - easier to back-up (resource forks are split out into separate files so you can use standard Unix backup apps) - slower HFS+ - not case-sensitive - fsck happens MUCH faster on large volumes after a reboot - generally 'feels' faster - copying folder on an HFS+ volume exported via NFS to a 10.0.3 client does not work If you're using NFS Classic won't be able to see/use the mounts regardless of whether the volume is served from HFS+ or UFS. - Chris On Sunday, June 10, 2001, at 03:09 PM, Eckart Hasselbrink wrote: > *This message was transferred with a trial version of CommuniGate(tm) > Pro* > Not a word about server, exporting home directories, NFS etc. in it. > > It says: "Unless you have a specific reason to use UFS, you should use > the Mac OS Extended format ...UFS may be preferable for developing > UNIX-based applications within Mac OS X" > No other pecific reasons exemplified. > > Eckart > > On Saturday, June 9, 2001, at 07:25, Irfan Rahman wrote: > >> >> There is a recent TIL Article about this....this might be helpful... >> >> Mac OS X 10.0: Choosing UFS or Mac OS Extended (HFS Plus) Formatting >> (#25316) >> http://til.info.apple.com/techinfo.nsf/artnum/n25316/ >> >> ------ >> Irfan Rahman >> irfan@irfanrahman.com >> >> >> on 6/9/01 9:55 AM, Eckart Hasselbrink at eckart_hasselbrink@mac.com >> wrote: >> >>> I have followed the recent discussion about UFS vs HFS+ and the merits >>> of MacOS X Server 2 with interest. >>> >>> The background for my question is: I want a server for a mixed group >>> of >>> about a dozen Macs running either X or 9 using new and classic >>> applications. Users move from machine to machine. I want to place the >>> users home directories on the server. These and some other directories >>> need to be transparently accessible from every machine when using new >>> or >>> classic applications. >>> >>> I know that I can mount the user's home directories via NFS. (I >>> presently do this using a UFS partition on a server running Solaris). >>> But applications running in the classic world will not see these. >>> >>> If I could serve the same directories at the same time via AFP I could >>> make them available to the classic environment and to the machines >>> running OS 9. (Mounting the same directory simultaneously via NFS and >>> AFP may give rise to interesting effects?) >>> >>> However, I see a few problems: >>> >>> a) If I import a home directory via NFS from a HFS+ volume, I seem to >>> loose the meta-information on most file. I.e they have no icon, carbon >>> applications can not be launched, etc >>> >>> b) However, HFS+ seems to be what MacOS X Server wants to run from. >>> >>> Question: >>> >>> Can MacOS X S 2 serve AFP from a UFS volume? >>> >>> More generally: how would you solve my request? To me it looks like my >>> scenario should not be too uncommon. I would think for the forseable >>> future such a mixed environment is rather the rule than the exception. >>> However, the documentation is very unclear, and the sales people are >>> clueless. >>> >>> TIA, >>> >>> Eckart >> > > __________________________________________________________________ > Eckart Hasselbrink > Graf-Bernadotte-Str. 50 > 45133 Essen FON: +49 201 4553382 > Germany > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-admin mailing list > MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin From rob at prometheusmedia.com Sun Jun 10 14:28:14 2001 From: rob at prometheusmedia.com (Robert Brandtjen) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:27 2005 Subject: UFS/HFS and workgroup server In-Reply-To: Message-ID: on 6/10/01 4:15 PM, Christopher Wolf at cwolf@wolfware.com wrote: > > UFS: > - case-sensitive > - easier to back-up (resource forks are split out into separate files so > you can use standard Unix backup apps) > - slower That would depend on what Nix you are running - its slower on OSX 10.x - it seems quite fast on OSXS 1.2. Robert Brandtjen -------------------------------------- Web Site Creation and Hosting Services Hostmaster@prometheusmedia.com www.prometheusmedia.com From cwolf at wolfware.com Sun Jun 10 14:32:14 2001 From: cwolf at wolfware.com (Christopher Wolf) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:27 2005 Subject: UFS/HFS and workgroup server In-Reply-To: Message-ID: *This message was transferred with a trial version of CommuniGate(tm) Pro* On Sunday, June 10, 2001, at 05:28 PM, Robert Brandtjen wrote: > *This message was transferred with a trial version of CommuniGate(tm) > Pro* > on 6/10/01 4:15 PM, Christopher Wolf at cwolf@wolfware.com wrote: > >> >> UFS: >> - case-sensitive >> - easier to back-up (resource forks are split out into separate files >> so >> you can use standard Unix backup apps) >> - slower > > That would depend on what Nix you are running - its slower on OSX > 10.x - it > seems quite fast on OSXS 1.2. Right, I should have stated that my answer was specific to OS X Server 10.x since, as far as I know, it's not even possible to export an HFS+ filesystem via NFS in earlier versions of X Server. - Chris > > Robert Brandtjen > -------------------------------------- > Web Site Creation and Hosting Services > Hostmaster@prometheusmedia.com > www.prometheusmedia.com > From sherlock at rna.nl Sun Jun 10 14:48:43 2001 From: sherlock at rna.nl (Sherlock Holmes) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:27 2005 Subject: Console.app hangs Message-ID: <20010610214520.9E2CCA8A2@spike.rna.nl> Mac OS X 10.0.3 4245 ?? U 1:13.34 /Applications/Utilities/Console.app/Contents/MacOS/Console -psn_0_5636097 What is status U, it isnn't explained in man ps. This happens when there is a lot of output in the Console window, or to be precise in /var/tmp/Console.log. Even if I clean the window regularly it still happens. The process dies and is unkillable, even with kill -9. SH From marcus at suptec.com.au Sun Jun 10 15:32:04 2001 From: marcus at suptec.com.au (Marcus Pallinger) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:28 2005 Subject: Fwd: Mac OS X - Apache & Case Insensitive Filesystems Message-ID: <20010611083125.A23379@guardian.suptec.com.au> Hi all, This was recently posted on bugtraq, and could be useful to others here. ----- Forwarded message from Stefan Arentz ----- Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001 19:53:40 +0200 From: Stefan Arentz To: BUGTRAQ@securityfocus.com Subject: Mac OS X - Apache & Case Insensitive Filesystems Environment: Mac OS X 10.0.3 / Darwin 1.3.3 Apache 1.3.14 This is the the default setup, out of the box, with available software updates installed. Please note, this is OS X *Client*. Who is affected: Everybody who used Apache on Mac OS X Client with the following conditions: + Documents are on a HFS+ volume + Directory protection is used Summary: The preferred filesystem for Mac OS X is Apple's HFS+ and most setups use it. HFS+ is a case insensitive filesystem. Apache's directory protection (and other methods that depend on filesystem object names) cannot handle this and breaks. For example, both Directory and Location configuration options break. This is a real security risk because most people do not know this. It can easily be used to bypass protected directories. Description: Consider the following file: /Library/WebServer/Documents/test/index.html And the following configuration: Order deny,allow Deny from all Or, using a Directory option: Order deny,allow Deny from all The following request will result in a 403 Forbidden as excpected: GET /test/index.html But the following request will happily serve the file: GET /TeSt/index.html Solution: Using UFS solves this problem because it is case sensitive and it behaves as expected. Also, Mac OS X Server ships with a mod_hfs_apple.so Apache module that solves this problem. However, the module is only available as part of OS X Server, and not available as source or part of the Apache distribution. Preferred solution: Modification to Apache so that it does a check for the 'real' filename. This probably needs some support from the underlying operating system. Or Apple should submit their HFS+ patches to the Apache Software Foundation or install the mod_hfs_apple.so module on OS X Client. ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Marcus Pallinger Supertech Project Management Systems Analyst - Programmer Level 1, 3 Bowen Cres. Phone: +61 3 9866 6866 Melbourne, VIC 3004 Fax: +61 3 9866 6262 Australia ======================================================================== There are two industries where the customers are called 'users'. One is ours, and the other is illicit drugs. From darrell at specialmoves.com Sun Jun 10 15:33:23 2001 From: darrell at specialmoves.com (darrell wilkins) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:28 2005 Subject: Removing locked files Message-ID: I'm having trouble deleting some locked files. I've tried the rm with all of the switches but still get an error saying 'operation not permitted' I also tried this from the root account. If I use the inspector in the finder and uncheck the 'locked' box then the files delete as expected, the trouble is I've got loads of these files to get rid of and it takes an age to unlock them all with the finder. Is it possible to delete locked files or alternatively to unlock them from the command line? cheers darrell - specialmoves 020 7278 7448 www.specialmoves.com From chris707 at pacbell.net Sun Jun 10 16:07:41 2001 From: chris707 at pacbell.net (Chris) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:28 2005 Subject: Odd mv behavior Message-ID: <0GEQ00KXLLK4PN@mta5.snfc21.pbi.net> I've noticed something while using mv and wonder if it's "normal" : I have two directories, Source and Target. Each contains a set of identically named sub-directories: [localhost:~] chris% ls -l Source/ total 0 drwxr-xr-x 3 chris staff 58 Jun 10 15:36 untitled drwxr-xr-x 2 chris staff 24 Jun 10 15:36 untitled2 drwxr-xr-x 2 chris staff 24 Jun 10 15:36 untitled3 drwxr-xr-x 3 chris staff 58 Jun 10 15:37 untitled4 [localhost:~] chris% ls -l Target/ total 0 drwxr-xr-x 3 chris staff 58 Jun 10 15:36 untitled drwxr-xr-x 2 chris staff 24 Jun 10 15:36 untitled2 drwxr-xr-x 2 chris staff 24 Jun 10 15:36 untitled3 drwxr-xr-x 3 chris staff 58 Jun 10 15:37 untitled4 When I try to move the sub-directories from Source to Target, I get in error: [localhost:~] chris% mv Source/* Target/ mv: rename Source/untitled4 to Target//untitled4: Is a directory The odd thing is, only the one sub-directory doesn't get moved. The others do, and they overwrite those in the Target directory: [localhost:~] chris% ls -l Source/ total 0 drwxr-xr-x 3 chris staff 58 Jun 10 15:37 untitled4 [localhost:~] chris% ls -l Target/ total 0 drwxr-xr-x 3 chris staff 58 Jun 10 15:36 untitled drwxr-xr-x 2 chris staff 24 Jun 10 15:36 untitled2 drwxr-xr-x 2 chris staff 24 Jun 10 15:36 untitled3 drwxr-xr-x 3 chris staff 58 Jun 10 15:37 untitled4 [localhost:~] chris% Does this behavior follow some rule I don't know about? From torrey at mrcla.com Sun Jun 10 16:23:51 2001 From: torrey at mrcla.com (Torrey T. Lyons) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:28 2005 Subject: Odd mv behavior In-Reply-To: <0GEQ00KXLLK4PN@mta5.snfc21.pbi.net> References: <0GEQ00KXLLK4PN@mta5.snfc21.pbi.net> Message-ID: >I've noticed something while using mv and wonder if it's "normal" : > >I have two directories, Source and Target. Each contains a set of >identically named sub-directories: [snip] >Does this behavior follow some rule I don't know about? This is a known bug, filed as Darwin bug #2385688. See http://www.publicsource.apple.com/bugs/. Remove the trailing / and you won't have this problem. --Torrey From rob at prometheusmedia.com Sun Jun 10 16:24:19 2001 From: rob at prometheusmedia.com (Robert Brandtjen) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:28 2005 Subject: Mac OS X - Apache & Case Insensitive Filesystems In-Reply-To: <20010611083125.A23379@guardian.suptec.com.au> Message-ID: on 6/10/01 5:31 PM, Marcus Pallinger at marcus@suptec.com.au wrote: > Hi all, > This was recently posted on bugtraq, and could be useful > to others here. Yeah, no good reason for UFS or case sensitivity - they're just a grandfathered bug from ancient *nix systems anyway. Now just think of all those nasty cgi's out there that rely on it as well.... They just don?t get it, do they ? Robert Brandtjen -------------------------------------- Web Site Creation and Hosting Services Hostmaster@prometheusmedia.com www.prometheusmedia.com From chris707 at pacbell.net Sun Jun 10 17:07:31 2001 From: chris707 at pacbell.net (Chris) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:28 2005 Subject: Odd mv behavior In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <0GEQ0066NOBW6E@mta6.snfc21.pbi.net> Hmm...interesting, thanks Torrey. The workaround of removing the trailing slash still doesn't seem to do it for me though: [localhost:~/Source] chris% mv untitled\ folder ../Target mv: rename untitled folder to ../Target/untitled folder: Is a directory It's a sporadic thing too. Sometimes it's just one directory, sometimes all of them. Something with my system, or a bigger bug than 2385688? As it is, I can't mv a directory into another directory with a sub-directory of the same name...I should be able to do this, right? On Sunday, June 10, 2001, at 04:23 PM, Torrey T. Lyons wrote: >> I've noticed something while using mv and wonder if it's "normal" : >> >> I have two directories, Source and Target. Each contains a set of >> identically named sub-directories: > > [snip] > >> Does this behavior follow some rule I don't know about? > > This is a known bug, filed as Darwin bug #2385688. See > http://www.publicsource.apple.com/bugs/. Remove the trailing / and you > won't have this problem. > > --Torrey > From scott at maxify.com Sun Jun 10 20:39:04 2001 From: scott at maxify.com (Scott Stevenson) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:28 2005 Subject: Removing locked files In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200106110229.TAA02656@spyhunter.maxify.com> On Sunday, June 10, 2001, at 03:33 PM, darrell wilkins wrote: > I'm having trouble deleting some locked files. > > I've tried the rm with all of the switches but still get an error saying > 'operation not permitted' [...] > Is it possible to delete locked files or alternatively to unlock them > from > the command line? The "SetFile" command (part of dev tools) should work. - Scott -- Scott Stevenson http://wildtofu.com/ http://maxify.com/ From Christoph.Kuhn at class.de Mon Jun 11 00:43:18 2001 From: Christoph.Kuhn at class.de (Christoph.Kuhn@class.de) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:28 2005 Subject: password aging Message-ID: hi *, is there a possibility to integrate passwordaging in os x and os x server? i thought that there is a freeware tool to do this, but i can't remember where i found it 4 weeks ago. thanx for yyour answer! regards chris From Paul_Lynch at plsys.co.uk Mon Jun 11 01:31:59 2001 From: Paul_Lynch at plsys.co.uk (Paul Lynch) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:28 2005 Subject: Removing locked files In-Reply-To: <200106110229.TAA02656@spyhunter.maxify.com> Message-ID: <200106110831.f5B8V8J14255@mailhost.plsys.co.uk> On Monday, June 11, 2001, at 04:38 am, Scott Stevenson wrote: > On Sunday, June 10, 2001, at 03:33 PM, darrell wilkins wrote: > >> I'm having trouble deleting some locked files. >> >> I've tried the rm with all of the switches but still get an error >> saying >> 'operation not permitted' > [...] >> Is it possible to delete locked files or alternatively to unlock them >> from >> the command line? > > The "SetFile" command (part of dev tools) should work. SetFile doesn't have a recursion switch, so you have to do: find . -exec /Developer/Tools/SetFile -a l {} \; or use xFiles, which offers a GUI to do the same. IMHO, this is a bug in Apple's HFS+ implementation. rm -f should delete files, regardless of thee Locked setting. Paul -- http://www.plsys.co.uk From joar at joar.com Mon Jun 11 02:21:41 2001 From: joar at joar.com (j o a r) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:28 2005 Subject: HFS+ or UFS? In-Reply-To: <20010609171956.3890@smtp.rmi.net> Message-ID: On l?rdag, juni 9, 2001, at 07:19 , Scott Ribe wrote: > I believe a file backup set is also limited to 2GB (compressed), which Not anymore, this limit was removed with the introduction of HFS+, Mac OS 9 and Retrospect 4.3. A file backup set can be as large as the file system and the OS allows, up to a limit of 1 TB. > means that the limit on catalog size is not unreasonable in conjunction. > File backup sets are not really intended to hold huge system backups; > they are a convenience for archiving particular directories. Do you have authority to define what size of file backup archives is resonable? I see no reason why they shouldn't be allowed, why should a HD be any different from, say, backing up to CD? Well, no reason apart from the fact that they store the catalog in the resource fork that is. ;) Harddisks are faster then tape and larger then CD:s... I'm not generally advocating HD-based storage over tape, I do have a AIT2 tape robot for our corporate LAN, but sometimes backing up to HD is the fastest and most straight forward way to go - it should be an option. j o a r From izidor.jerebic at tari.si Mon Jun 11 02:47:57 2001 From: izidor.jerebic at tari.si (Izidor Jerebic) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:28 2005 Subject: UFS/HFS and workgroup server In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <09474902393837@ikar.s5.net> On Sunday, June 10, 2001, at 11:15 PM, Christopher Wolf wrote: > HFS+ > - not case-sensitive > - fsck happens MUCH faster on large volumes after a reboot > - generally 'feels' faster > - copying folder on an HFS+ volume exported via NFS to a 10.0.3 client > does not work > I recall people complaining about disk corruption (beyond repair) with HFS+ and suggesting to use UFS partition for backup, since UFS is very nearly incorruptible comparing to HFS+. izidor From darrell at specialmoves.com Mon Jun 11 02:48:55 2001 From: darrell at specialmoves.com (darrell wilkins) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:28 2005 Subject: Removing locked files In-Reply-To: <200106110831.f5B8V8J14255@mailhost.plsys.co.uk> Message-ID: On 11/6/01 9:31 am "Paul Lynch" said : > find . -exec /Developer/Tools/SetFile -a l {} \; What exactly does this command do? I get the '/Developer/Tools/SetFile -a l' but what does the rest mean? cheers darrell - specialmoves 020 7278 7448 www.specialmoves.com From jonas at zeus.rug.ac.be Mon Jun 11 03:48:36 2001 From: jonas at zeus.rug.ac.be (Jonas Maebe) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:28 2005 Subject: lpr question Message-ID: <200106111048.MAA07236@zeus.rug.ac.be> Hello, Setting up lpr was completely painless (when I fired up the "Print Center" utility, it somehow immediately found our printserver, a linux machine with an HP DeskJet 610 attached to it). But for some reason, whenever I print "styled text" from my Mac, the background is very very light yellow. When you print something from e.g. BBEdit lite, this doesn't happen, but it does happen when printing from Mail.app or TextEdit. This does not happen when printing from Linux machines. The background of all my windows on-screen is white. Does anyone have an idea about what's going on and how to fix this? Thanks, Jonas From David.Frank at datacomm.ch Mon Jun 11 04:14:55 2001 From: David.Frank at datacomm.ch (David Frank) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:28 2005 Subject: sending file.ps to printer? In-Reply-To: <3B22852D.C656D36F@urbanet.ch> Message-ID: <200106111114.f5BBElp16669@flu-smtp-01.datacomm.ch> Hello, I recall beeing able to print .ps files to my postscrip-printer by draging them over a deskop printer. how can i send a postscript file to a printer under OS 10? Disk Utility seems of no help. Thanks, dave David Frank david.frank datacomm.ch From dev at humph.com Mon Jun 11 04:17:24 2001 From: dev at humph.com (Giuliano Gavazzi) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:28 2005 Subject: Multihoming . . . In-Reply-To: <1220682082-90864011@bergersen.no> References: <1220682082-90864011@bergersen.no> Message-ID: At 2:00 am +0200 2001/06/02, ort wrote: >Hi! > >* Aren't one forced to make it a two step process if one add an new >subnet with a different router address (one can only use a netmask >of 255.255.255.255 when there is already added a route to the >interface, or?)?!? One could see 255.255.255.255 (equivalent to 0xffffffff) as: there is no router to this host (that is, it is directly reachable, within this machine). But I just made this up.. >* Does it matter if one use xxx.xxx.xxx.xx or 0xffffffff? no, it is just more compact. >* If one use the local address 10.0.1.1, what would one set as the >router address if one do not use a router (0.0.0.0?)?!? > I do not understand the question. If it is a local address, then you do not need a router to access it. But if it is an extra (alias) address, then you have to follow one of the methods in the previous emails. Giuliano -- H U M P H || ||| software Java & C++ Server/Client/Human Interface applications on MacOS - MacOS X http://www.humph.com/ From dev at humph.com Mon Jun 11 04:18:04 2001 From: dev at humph.com (Giuliano Gavazzi) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:28 2005 Subject: Multihoming . . . In-Reply-To: <200106012334.QAA14666@mail.nexsi.com> References: <200106012334.QAA14666@mail.nexsi.com> Message-ID: At 4:24 pm -0700 2001/06/01, Justin C. Walker wrote: >On Friday, June 1, 2001, at 04:10 PM, Giuliano Gavazzi wrote: >>I guess he might have had problems if the extra addresses were not >>on the same subnet as the primary interface address. In this case >>one must add a route via 127.0.0.1 to the extra address. > >True, but you don't *need* to do it your way; see below. > >>Example: >> >>/sbin/ifconfig en0 inet 193.125.238.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 (primary address) >>/sbin/ifconfig en0 inet 193.125.238.2 netmask 255.255.255.255 alias >>(it does not need a route added) >>/sbin/ifconfig en0 inet 193.241.1.4 netmask 255.255.255.0 alias >>(not same subnet, so it needs a route added) >> >>to add the route for the second alias: >> >>/sbin/route add -host 193.241.1.4 127.0.0.1 > >This is correct; generally, using the latter approach is >adminstratively more complex, because (a) there are two steps to >assign the address (ifconfig alias, route add); and (b) two steps to >remove the address (ifconfig delete; and route delete). That's why >I mentioned the simpler method: use a netmask of 255.255.255.255, >and the system can handle it for you. > >Either method works, and are essentially the same in effect. Please note that the third address is not in the same subnet as the previous two; if you set the netmask to 0xffffffff it will not know that the whole 193.241.1.4/24 is directly reachable on that link and thus try to use the default route (or the route set for that network). So, whichever way you do it you must add a route manually. Do you agree? [btw, back in 1998 I had to convince an Apple engineer at dts that 0xffffffff was a correct netmask to feed to ifconfig, when, in Rhapsody, ifconfig would refuse to accept it...] Giuliano -- H U M P H || ||| software Java & C++ Server/Client/Human Interface applications on MacOS - MacOS X http://www.humph.com/ From Paul_Lynch at plsys.co.uk Mon Jun 11 05:27:26 2001 From: Paul_Lynch at plsys.co.uk (Paul Lynch) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:29 2005 Subject: Removing locked files In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200106111227.f5BCREJ17263@mailhost.plsys.co.uk> On Monday, June 11, 2001, at 10:48 am, darrell wilkins wrote: > On 11/6/01 9:31 am "Paul Lynch" said : > >> find . -exec /Developer/Tools/SetFile -a l {} \; > > What exactly does this command do? > > I get the '/Developer/Tools/SetFile -a l' but what does the rest mean? It's a good example of Unix command line usage :-). find is a command that locates files matching a wide range of options; in this case, we just want to use the shotgun and pick up every file under the starting point given to it - in this case ".", which means the current directory. Each file found is passed to the -exec option, which creates a command line of its own, terminated by the ;, which has to be preceded by \ because it is otherwise a significant character to the shell, and with the {} pattern replaced by the file name. All this happens once per file. There are other, better ways of doing the same (xargs), but this is relatively simple and should work straight off. Paul -- http://www.plsys.co.uk From alexandre at apple2.com Mon Jun 11 07:30:46 2001 From: alexandre at apple2.com (Alexandre Siufy) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:29 2005 Subject: Sendmail problems Message-ID: <200106111430.KAA12409@mail.tiaxa.net> Hi, Well, my sendmail problems never end... After removing the trailing "&" at the startup script, I got it to start automatically with every boot. *BUT*, it wouldn't work, and would refuse to send every message. It would only work after I do a "kill -HUP" on its PID. But today, it's not working at all, and I haven't changed a line in the config! Once it starts up, it gives me a : Jun 11 10:26:07 didi sendmail[352]: gethostbyaddr(126.98.234.74) failed: 1 Jun 11 10:26:07 didi sendmail[353]: starting daemon (8.10.2): SMTP+queueing@01:00:00 and refuses to send any messages too... Any help? Thanks. -- Alexandre Siufy alexandre@apple2.com A Microsoft Certified Systems Engineer is to computing what a McDonalds Certified Food Specialist is to fine cuisine -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/enriched Size: 880 bytes Desc: not available Url : /mailman/archive/macosx-admin/attachments/20010611/fd54701e/attachment.bin From mike at maibaum.org Mon Jun 11 07:42:41 2001 From: mike at maibaum.org (Michael Maibaum) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:29 2005 Subject: Removing locked files In-Reply-To: <200106110831.f5B8V8J14255@mailhost.plsys.co.uk> Message-ID: <200106110743770.SM00167@localhost> On Monday, June 11, 2001, at 01:31 , Paul Lynch wrote: > > On Monday, June 11, 2001, at 04:38 am, Scott Stevenson wrote: > >> On Sunday, June 10, 2001, at 03:33 PM, darrell wilkins wrote: >> >>> I'm having trouble deleting some locked files. >>> >>> I've tried the rm with all of the switches but still get an error >>> saying >>> 'operation not permitted' >> [...] >>> Is it possible to delete locked files or alternatively to unlock them >>> from >>> the command line? >> >> The "SetFile" command (part of dev tools) should work. > > SetFile doesn't have a recursion switch, so you have to do: > > find . -exec /Developer/Tools/SetFile -a l {} \; > simpler use the chflags command which is a standard part of the BSD distribution. %chflags nouchg name/of/file this has a recursion option, > or use xFiles, which offers a GUI to do the same. > > IMHO, this is a bug in Apple's HFS+ implementation. rm -f should > delete files, regardless of thee Locked setting. AFAIK this happens on apple UFS and on other BSDs, the chflags command is standard and the user imutable flag 'uchg' (locking a file) is present on other BSDs also-therefore not a bug if I am correct. there probably should be a way of deleting locked files (like holding down option in OS 9) from the GUI however. Michael From alexandre at apple2.com Mon Jun 11 08:12:37 2001 From: alexandre at apple2.com (Alexandre Siufy) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:29 2005 Subject: Sendmail problems In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200106111512.LAA13204@mail.tiaxa.net> On segunda-feira, junho 11, 2001, at 11:09 , Giuliano Gavazzi wrote: > At 10:30 am -0400 2001/06/11, Alexandre Siufy wrote: > ... >> *BUT*, it wouldn't work, and would refuse to send every message. >> It would only work after I do a "kill -HUP" on its PID. But >> today, it's not working at all, and I haven't changed a line in the >> config! >> Once it starts up, it gives me a : >> >> Jun 11 10:26:07 didi sendmail[352]: gethostbyaddr(126.98.234.74) >> failed: 1 >> Jun 11 10:26:07 didi sendmail[353]: starting daemon (8.10.2): >> SMTP+queueing@01:00:00 >> >> and refuses to send any messages too... > > don't know why it would work after a SIGHUP, but it might be that your > reverse DNS is suffering transient failures. Anyway, have you tried > with the line: > > # my official domain name > # ... define this only if sendmail cannot automatically determine your > domain > DjWHATEVER.YOUR.DOMAIN.IS. > > in sendmail.cf > I will try that, but I do have a problem: I have two domain names for my e-mails (apple2.com and tiaxa.net)... -- Alexandre Siufy alexandre@apple2.com A Microsoft Certified Systems Engineer is to computing what a McDonalds Certified Food Specialist is to fine cuisine From waltd at wdstudio.com Mon Jun 11 08:23:32 2001 From: waltd at wdstudio.com (Walter Lee Davis) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:29 2005 Subject: netinfo, dns, reverse lookup In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Take a look at Hostal (search on Versiontracker) for a solution to this. It gives you a nice GUI into the hosts file, and through some one-time editing of Netifo during the install, makes the lookup order hosts-first. I use it on my powerbook. Walter On 6/9/01 4:59 AM, "Chad J McQuinn" wrote: > I've got two machines with private ip addresses (192.168.X.X) and > telnet/ssh between them is very slow. This is because they also have > (through a router) internet connections, and so upon connecting a > reverse DNS is attempted. Of course it fails, and I have to wait for > it to time out before the connection can be made. ssh in particular > takes forever. > > On linux I would just edit /etc/resolv.conf to have "order hosts, " > and then reverse lookups would check my /etc/hosts first. The > semantics are a little different on OS X, but following the man page > for resolv.conf, I have added a line "lookup file,bind". If I do this > and then restart nibindd and lookupd, then the telnet connections > happen at normal speed and there are no log messages about failed DNS > lookups. > > The problem is that /etc/resolv.conf is really /var/run/resolv.conf, > and it is auto-generated at restart or when the network connection > changes--and I do that a lot, since one of the machines is a laptop. > So, surely it's something in netinfo that needs changing. > > I have added /locations/resolver to netinfo with the following keys: > > nameserver = (128.210.11.57, 128.210.11.5) > search = (purdue.edu, cc.purdue.edu, math.purdue.edu) > lookup = (file, bind) > > but this doesn't seem to solve the problem, because the > auto-generated resolv.conf file still does not contain any 'lookup' > line, and then the telnet connections stall because of DNS timeouts > (even after restart). > > Of course I should mention both computers have a valid /etc/hosts > file containing both private ip addresses and (phony) host names, and > it has been loaded into netinfo. > > Am I doing something wrong? What is the correct way to have reverse > DNS first check /etc/hosts (or netinfo hosts)? > > Thanks, > -Chad > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-admin mailing list > MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin > From alexandre at apple2.com Mon Jun 11 08:35:48 2001 From: alexandre at apple2.com (Alexandre Siufy) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:29 2005 Subject: Sendmail problems In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200106111535.f5BFZFk00543@didi.tiaxa.com> On segunda-feira, junho 11, 2001, at 11:23 , Robert Brandtjen wrote: > on 6/11/01 10:12 AM, Alexandre Siufy at alexandre@apple2.com wrote: > >> >> I will try that, but I do have a problem: I have two domain names >> for my e-mails (apple2.com and tiaxa.net)... > > That?s why you need webmin's sendmail module - just try it - you'll > never go > back. For OSX 10.x after choosing OSX then choose the number 3 option > (OSXS > 1.3) > > I service 11 email domains with it on OSXS - its ideal for that. > Well, I don't like using a GUI for things I can do directly on the configuration file... But in this case, I guess sendmail.cf is way beyond my comprehension :( I installed Webmin, and now sendmail seems to be working. Don't know if it'll work on the next boot (or if I'll have to SIGHUP it)... -- Alexandre Siufy alexandre@apple2.com A Microsoft Certified Systems Engineer is to computing what a McDonalds Certified Food Specialist is to fine cuisine From Paul_Lynch at plsys.co.uk Mon Jun 11 08:36:01 2001 From: Paul_Lynch at plsys.co.uk (Paul Lynch) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:29 2005 Subject: Removing locked files In-Reply-To: <200106110743770.SM00167@localhost> Message-ID: <200106111535.f5BFZkJ19441@mailhost.plsys.co.uk> On Monday, June 11, 2001, at 03:41 pm, Michael Maibaum wrote: > On Monday, June 11, 2001, at 01:31 , Paul Lynch wrote: >> SetFile doesn't have a recursion switch, so you have to do: >> >> find . -exec /Developer/Tools/SetFile -a l {} \; > > simpler use the chflags command which is a standard part of the BSD > distribution. > > %chflags nouchg name/of/file I was aware of chflags, but not that Apple mapped their special flags to them. For reference, chflags supports: arch opaque nodump sappnd (append-only) schg (system immutable) uappnd (user append-only) uchg (user immutable flag) and SetFile: A Alias file V Invisible* B Bundle S System (name locked) T Stationary C Custom icon* L Locked I Inited* N No INIT resources M Shared (can run multiple times) D Desktop* As you can see, it isn't at all apparent that there is any relationship between these sets of flags. >> IMHO, this is a bug in Apple's HFS+ implementation. rm -f should >> delete files, regardless of thee Locked setting. > > AFAIK this happens on apple UFS and on other BSDs, the chflags command > is standard and the user imutable flag 'uchg' (locking a file) is > present on other BSDs also-therefore not a bug if I am correct. Fair comment. > there probably should be a way of deleting locked files (like holding > down option in OS 9) from the GUI however. Agreed, but this type of UI feature is very NeXT-like, and something that Apple have been removing from their UI implementation. Paul -- http://www.plsys.co.uk From rob at prometheusmedia.com Mon Jun 11 08:55:39 2001 From: rob at prometheusmedia.com (Robert Brandtjen) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:30 2005 Subject: Sendmail problems In-Reply-To: <200106111535.f5BFZFk00543@didi.tiaxa.com> Message-ID: on 6/11/01 10:35 AM, Alexandre Siufy at alexandre@apple2.com wrote: > Well, I don't like using a GUI for things I can do directly on the > configuration file... But in this case, I guess sendmail.cf is way > beyond my comprehension :( > I installed Webmin, and now sendmail seems to be working. Don't > know if it'll work on the next boot (or if I'll have to SIGHUP it)... Go through the sendmail modules in webmin, as you do, webmin will report errors, if any. Robert Brandtjen -------------------------------------- Web Site Creation and Hosting Services Hostmaster@prometheusmedia.com www.prometheusmedia.com From zmagyar at mac.com Mon Jun 11 09:08:18 2001 From: zmagyar at mac.com (Zsolt Magyar) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:30 2005 Subject: monitor network traffic Message-ID: <200106111608.f5BG8AZ21788@inje.iskon.hr> Dear All, This might sound trivial but pls help me if you can. I installed some utilities which show me the network traffic through my ethernet interface. Sometimes the traffic goes mad even if I don't do anything special on the machine. With netstat -f inet I see nothing special the only external connection is our in-house file server. Is there any way to see what is generating the traffic? Tx, Zsolt From Albert-Lunde at northwestern.edu Mon Jun 11 09:13:52 2001 From: Albert-Lunde at northwestern.edu (Albert Lunde) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:30 2005 Subject: firewall rules for OS X? Message-ID: I'll be setting up an OS X system soon, though I don't have it in my hands yet, and I'd like to use a combination of the (BSD-derived?) firewall rules, and tcp_wrappers to limit access to various services. (This isn't a case of trying to create an actual two-interface firewall, just hardening a single system that is connected to the Internet and not behind a full-blown firewall.) I'm familiar with tcp_wrappers, and I've got a couple of refererences on firewalls and packet filtering in general. However, most of the specific examples I've got are Linux-based, and talk about things like ipchains or netfilter on Linix. Can someone suggest a source of specific examples for the firewall/packet-filtering tools that work with OSX? (ipfw ?) Also, I'm interested in what TCP or UDP ports and RPC services are used by some Apple-specific stuff, like: Appleshare IP, netinfo, and WebObjects. -- Albert Lunde Albert-Lunde@northwestern.edu (new address) Albert-Lunde@nwu.edu (old address) From smmccraw at cicada.com Mon Jun 11 09:20:15 2001 From: smmccraw at cicada.com (Steven Mark McCraw) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:30 2005 Subject: monitor network traffic In-Reply-To: <200106111608.f5BG8AZ21788@inje.iskon.hr> Message-ID: <1219845927-4219371@cicada.com> Hey Zsolt, You can use tcpdump (see the man page) to show you the contents of the packets. By examining the headers, you should at least be able to determine which machine the packets are coming from, if not the application that's generating the packets. Sincerely, Mark McCraw On Monday, June 11, 2001, at 12:08 PM, Zsolt Magyar wrote: > Dear All, > > This might sound trivial but pls help me if you can. > > I installed some utilities which show me the network traffic through my > ethernet interface. Sometimes the traffic goes mad even if I don't do > anything special on the machine. With netstat -f inet I see nothing > special the only external connection is our in-house file server. > > Is there any way to see what is generating the traffic? > > Tx, > > Zsolt > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-admin mailing list > MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin > From patpro at patpro.net Mon Jun 11 09:24:50 2001 From: patpro at patpro.net (patpro) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:30 2005 Subject: firewall rules for OS X? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: le 11/06/01 18:13, Albert Lunde ? Albert-Lunde@northwestern.edu a ?crit?: > Can someone suggest a source of specific examples for the > firewall/packet-filtering tools that work with OSX? (ipfw ?) you may want to start here : http://www.freebsd.org/tutorials/dialup-firewall/article.html and http://www.bsdtoday.com/2000/December/Features359.html hth, patpro -- "Rien ne se perd, rien ne se cr?e, tout s'empile" - Mon Bureau - From patpro at patpro.net Mon Jun 11 09:31:28 2001 From: patpro at patpro.net (patpro) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:30 2005 Subject: firewall rules for OS X? (more) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: le 11/06/01 18:13, Albert Lunde ? Albert-Lunde@northwestern.edu a ?crit?: > Can someone suggest a source of specific examples for the > firewall/packet-filtering tools that work with OSX? (ipfw ?) I forgot to give you this one : http://www.linux-firewall-tools.com/linux/firewall/index.html it's an online script that will write for you FW rules according to your preferences. (may not function well on some browsers) patpro -- () Campagne du ruban ascii... /\ Contre les mails en html, les vcards et les blaireaux From vincecf at terra.es Mon Jun 11 10:04:41 2001 From: vincecf at terra.es (Vicen) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:30 2005 Subject: CpMac's '-mac' argument? In-Reply-To: <0GEO00J6HCSI1D@mta5.snfc21.pbi.net> Message-ID: Hi Chris, This is not going to be a precise explanation but it may help you to find the answer: you can use the -mac option to copy the resource fork of an archive. As you probably now, the cp command can only copy data fork, so when using cp to copy a classic OS9 archive to another location (in example) you will get in the destination path the same archive with the data fork of the source archive but no resource fork. CpMac provides a way to prevent it from happen. Sometimes, the system itself can split in an archive when you copy it to the OSX desktop by dragging it. An example: 1)Sound (OS9)-> 2)Sound (data fork) and 3) ._Sound (resource fork of 1) in its data fork) Note that ._Sound is an invisible file. Best, Vince -----Mensaje original----- De: macosx-admin-admin@omnigroup.com [mailto:macosx-admin-admin@omnigroup.com]En nombre de Chris Enviado el: s?bado, 09 de junio de 2001 20:03 Para: macosx-admin@omnigroup.com Asunto: CpMac's '-mac' argument? Just curious, does anyone happen to know the function of the "-mac" option that's listed as one of /Developer/Tools/CpMac's arguments? As in: usage: /Developer/Tools/CpMac [-r] [-mac] ... CpMac works mostly like cp, but knows about resource forks. Including '-mac' in any CpMac command line I can think of always returns an error. TIA _______________________________________________ MacOSX-admin mailing list MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin From tim at ccc.de Mon Jun 11 10:25:28 2001 From: tim at ccc.de (Tim Pritlove) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:30 2005 Subject: weird behaviour: osx local loopback interface and classic Message-ID: <200106111725.KAA27185@omnigroup.com> hi, i want to tell you something VERY strange. I don't get what is going on. Maybe someone here can enlighten me. this is the story: in the good old days, when i was using mac os 9 (remember?) i was using a ssh-tunnel to get my email via POP from my mail server for security reasons. so I configured my email client (in this case: claris emailer) to grab its mail from 127.0.0.1. The SSH tunnel was done by that nasty old fellow F-Secure SSH which unfortunately is still the ONLY program doing SSH1 and tunneling on Classic Mac OS. After having moved to Mac OS X I wanted to use the UNIX ssh for tunneling because F-Secure sucks a lot (it was written with Microsoft Portability libraries, it is VERY unstable, needs to be restarted when the IP address changes, crashes often when the machines sleeps and other nightmares). This behaviour even got worse when running it under Classic (although at least it DOES work a bit). There is a newer version of F-Secure SSH but they do not support SSH1 protocols, so this is not an option. So I set up a ssh tunnel with /usr/bin/shh and tried to fetch my mail. But Emailer couldn't connect to the local redirected port I configured. Hmm. I thought about and it came to me, that it might not be possible to access the OSX local loopback interface from Classic because they are 2 OSs and the network sharing in OSX/Classic seems to be done on the Ethernet interface layer (although I did't try this with Modem-PPP). For a test, I tried Netscape to access to my Apache Web Server running in OSX. Nothing. I tried BetterTelnet, NiftyTelnet. Nothing. I tried every other tool on my disk that somehow accesses IP services. Nothing. I almost gave up and thought: "ok, that's how Apple did it and the localhost worlds of OSX and Classic are just different (which is not a big surprise to me). But then I noticed I forgot one app: Internet Explorer. I started IE, typed http://localhost/ and: it worked! IE can access the OSX local loopback interface and gets rerouted to the OSX IP stack! Unbelieveable. So: what is going on here? Why IE and no other app? Has anybody deeper insight into how Apple actually implemented the network sharing stuff in OSX? Tim PS: I know I can switch to a OSX mailer and I really will but for now, I need this solution. AND I want to test Classic apps against local services on my OSX box. --- If organized religion is the opium of the masses then disorganized religion is the marijuana of the lunatic fringe. --- Tim Pritlove, Discordian Evangelist, PGP Fingerprint: 0588 53A1 B0EF 0C43 B6F9 A7A7 0777 36CD From yakakpo at free.fr Mon Jun 11 10:47:33 2001 From: yakakpo at free.fr (Yves Akakpo) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:30 2005 Subject: Unable to remove AppleWorks6.app Message-ID: <20010611174726.21F71102925@postfix1-2.free.fr> Hi all Have install AppleWorks 6 as user "yves" with autorisation admin. Now I want to remove AppleWork6.app from my /Applications folder. It won't go away. 1- dropping AppleWork6.app folder in the trash : => the attention panel present: you haven't autorisations for delete "Starting Points" , the same message for "Clippings" and so on.... 2- I make the same thing as root and receive the same messages. 3- trying rm -ird AppleWorks6.app in the Terminal: [localhost:/Applications] yves% rm -ird AppleWorks6.app remove AppleWorks6.app? y remove AppleWorks6.app/AppleWorks 6? y rm: AppleWorks6.app/AppleWorks 6: Operation not permitted remove AppleWorks6.app/Contents? y remove AppleWorks6.app/Contents/MacOS? y remove AppleWorks6.app/Contents/MacOS/AppleWorks Essentials? y rm: AppleWorks6.app/Contents/MacOS/AppleWorks Essentials: Operation not permitted remove AppleWorks6.app/Contents/MacOS/Clippings? y rm: AppleWorks6.app/Contents/MacOS/Clippings: Operation not permitted remove AppleWorks6.app/Contents/MacOS/Starting Points? y rm: AppleWorks6.app/Contents/MacOS/Starting Points: Operation not permitted rm: AppleWorks6.app/Contents/MacOS: Directory not empty remove AppleWorks6.app/Contents/MacOSClassic? y remove AppleWorks6.app/Contents/MacOSClassic/AppleWorks Essentials? y rm: AppleWorks6.app/Contents/MacOSClassic/AppleWorks Essentials: Operation not permitted remove AppleWorks6.app/Contents/MacOSClassic/Clippings? y rm: AppleWorks6.app/Contents/MacOSClassic/Clippings: Operation not permitted remove AppleWorks6.app/Contents/MacOSClassic/Starting Points? y rm: AppleWorks6.app/Contents/MacOSClassic/Starting Points: Operation not permitted rm: AppleWorks6.app/Contents/MacOSClassic: Directory not empty rm: AppleWorks6.app/Contents: Directory not empty rm: AppleWorks6.app: Directory not empty [localhost:/Applications] yves% Is anyone familiar with this behavior? Thanks in advance, Yves From dev at humph.com Mon Jun 11 11:48:54 2001 From: dev at humph.com (Giuliano Gavazzi) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:30 2005 Subject: weird behaviour: osx local loopback interface and classic In-Reply-To: <200106111725.KAA27185@omnigroup.com> References: <200106111725.KAA27185@omnigroup.com> Message-ID: At 7:25 pm +0200 2001/06/11, Tim Pritlove wrote: ... >i want to tell you something VERY strange. I don't get what is going on. >Maybe someone here can enlighten me. ... >But then I noticed I forgot one app: Internet Explorer. I started IE, >typed http://localhost/ and: it worked! IE can access the OSX local >loopback interface and gets rerouted to the OSX IP stack! Unbelieveable. > I can only think of one thing here: you were too tired to notice, but actually launched IE Carbon. Giuliano -- H U M P H || ||| software Java & C++ Server/Client/Human Interface applications on MacOS - MacOS X http://www.humph.com/ From Paul_Lynch at plsys.co.uk Mon Jun 11 11:53:06 2001 From: Paul_Lynch at plsys.co.uk (Paul Lynch) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:30 2005 Subject: Unable to remove AppleWorks6.app In-Reply-To: <20010611174726.21F71102925@postfix1-2.free.fr> Message-ID: <200106111852.f5BIqwJ21918@mailhost.plsys.co.uk> On Monday, June 11, 2001, at 06:46 pm, Yves Akakpo wrote: > rm: AppleWorks6.app/AppleWorks 6: Operation not permitted [etc] As mentioned a few messages ago, you are the victim of locking. Get something like xFiles, and unlock everything within AppleWorks; you will then be allowed to delete it. Paul -- http://www.plsys.co.uk From njriley at uiuc.edu Mon Jun 11 12:00:09 2001 From: njriley at uiuc.edu (Nicholas Riley) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:31 2005 Subject: Unable to remove AppleWorks6.app In-Reply-To: <20010611174726.21F71102925@postfix1-2.free.fr>; from yakakpo@free.fr on Mon, Jun 11, 2001 at 07:46:45PM +0200 References: <20010611174726.21F71102925@postfix1-2.free.fr> Message-ID: <20010611140308.A6124@uiuc.edu> On Mon, Jun 11, 2001 at 07:46:45PM +0200, Yves Akakpo wrote: > 1- dropping AppleWork6.app folder in the trash : => the attention panel > present: you haven't autorisations for delete "Starting Points" , the > same message for "Clippings" and so on.... > > 2- I make the same thing as root and receive the same messages. That's weird. I don't know whether the same "override message about locked items" works on OS X as on OS 9, but in 9, you can hold down the Option key while you choose "Empty Trash" and it'll delete the locked items. > 3- trying rm -ird AppleWorks6.app in the Terminal: > > [localhost:/Applications] yves% rm -ird AppleWorks6.app As mentioned in the man page, -r implies -d, so there's no need for the -d. And if you're sure about it, -i is also not needed :-) Most likely the files that you get "operation not permitted for" are locked, or in BSD terminology, the user immutable flag (uchg) is set. You can find out what file flags are set by using the -lo options to ls. For example: % ls -lo -rw------- 1 nicholas staff uchg 0 Jun 11 13:29 blah d--------- 2 nicholas unknown schg 264 Apr 27 14:50 ????????HFS+ Private Data have the 'uchg' and 'schg' flags set, and -rwxrwxrwx 1 nicholas unknown - 0 Dec 31 1969 Desktop has no flags set. First thing to do is to check which flags are set on the files you're looking at, so you know which flags to remove. An easy way to do it is to execute this command: % find . -exec ls -lod \{\} \; | grep -v " - " I'm assuming " - " appears nowhere in your filenames; hopefully that's true or you'll get some false positives. It appears it's not possible, even as root, to remove the 'schg' flag, so short of booting into Mac OS 9, I think you're stuck if that one is set. But say you find the 'uchg' flag set on some of the files. To remove it from all of them, simply: % chflags -R nouchg AppleWorks6.app -- Nicholas Riley | From eckart_hasselbrink at mac.com Mon Jun 11 13:04:04 2001 From: eckart_hasselbrink at mac.com (Eckart Hasselbrink) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:31 2005 Subject: MacOSX-admin digest, Vol 1 #406 - 43 msgs In-Reply-To: <200106111919.MAA19499@lists.omnigroup.com> Message-ID: <200106112002.NAA29194@smtpout.mac.com> On Monday, June 11, 2001, at 09:19, Christopher Wolf wrote: > Here's my take on some of the relative issues to serving > home-directories from HFS+ and UFS via NFS... I've done both... > > UFS: > - case-sensitive > - easier to back-up (resource forks are split out into separate files so > you can use standard Unix backup apps) > - slower > > HFS+ > - not case-sensitive > - fsck happens MUCH faster on large volumes after a reboot > - generally 'feels' faster > - copying folder on an HFS+ volume exported via NFS to a 10.0.3 client > does not work > It is even worse. It looks to me like the client treats the volume like it would be an UFS volume. If I copy a file which has a resource fork to it, the resource ends on the HFS+ server volume in a file named "._filename". That is how it would be stored on a UFS volume. The client also does not see the properly stored resource forks of files on the HFS+ server volume. > If you're using NFS Classic won't be able to see/use the mounts > regardless of whether the volume is served from HFS+ or UFS. I said so. However, if I could serve them via AFP I may be able to work around it. Possible? So does that mean that Apple presently does not have any offering which would be rightfully called a workgroup server? Eckart > > On Sunday, June 10, 2001, at 03:09 PM, Eckart Hasselbrink wrote: > >> *This message was transferred with a trial version of CommuniGate(tm) >> Pro* >> Not a word about server, exporting home directories, NFS etc. in it. >> >> It says: "Unless you have a specific reason to use UFS, you should use >> the Mac OS Extended format ...UFS may be preferable for developing >> UNIX-based applications within Mac OS X" >> No other pecific reasons exemplified. >> >> Eckart >> >> On Saturday, June 9, 2001, at 07:25, Irfan Rahman wrote: >> >>> >>> There is a recent TIL Article about this....this might be helpful... >>> >>> Mac OS X 10.0: Choosing UFS or Mac OS Extended (HFS Plus) Formatting >>> (#25316) >>> http://til.info.apple.com/techinfo.nsf/artnum/n25316/ >>> >>> ------ >>> Irfan Rahman >>> irfan@irfanrahman.com >>> >>> >>> on 6/9/01 9:55 AM, Eckart Hasselbrink at eckart_hasselbrink@mac.com >>> wrote: >>> >>>> I have followed the recent discussion about UFS vs HFS+ and the >>>> merits >>>> of MacOS X Server 2 with interest. >>>> >>>> The background for my question is: I want a server for a mixed group >>>> of >>>> about a dozen Macs running either X or 9 using new and classic >>>> applications. Users move from machine to machine. I want to place the >>>> users home directories on the server. These and some other >>>> directories >>>> need to be transparently accessible from every machine when using new >>>> or >>>> classic applications. >>>> >>>> I know that I can mount the user's home directories via NFS. (I >>>> presently do this using a UFS partition on a server running Solaris). >>>> But applications running in the classic world will not see these. >>>> >>>> If I could serve the same directories at the same time via AFP I >>>> could >>>> make them available to the classic environment and to the machines >>>> running OS 9. (Mounting the same directory simultaneously via NFS and >>>> AFP may give rise to interesting effects?) >>>> >>>> However, I see a few problems: >>>> >>>> a) If I import a home directory via NFS from a HFS+ volume, I seem to >>>> loose the meta-information on most file. I.e they have no icon, >>>> carbon >>>> applications can not be launched, etc >>>> >>>> b) However, HFS+ seems to be what MacOS X Server wants to run from. >>>> >>>> Question: >>>> >>>> Can MacOS X S 2 serve AFP from a UFS volume? >>>> >>>> More generally: how would you solve my request? To me it looks like >>>> my >>>> scenario should not be too uncommon. I would think for the forseable >>>> future such a mixed environment is rather the rule than the >>>> exception. >>>> However, the documentation is very unclear, and the sales people are >>>> clueless. >>>> >>>> TIA, >>>> >>>> Eckart >>> >> >> __________________________________________________________________ __________________________________________________________________ Eckart Hasselbrink Graf-Bernadotte-Str. 50 45133 Essen FON: +49 201 4553382 Germany From tim at ccc.de Mon Jun 11 13:09:11 2001 From: tim at ccc.de (Tim Pritlove) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:31 2005 Subject: weird behaviour: osx local loopback interface and classic Message-ID: <200106112009.NAA07134@omnigroup.com> On 11.06.2001 20:46 Uhr, Giuliano Gavazzi dev@humph.com said: >At 7:25 pm +0200 2001/06/11, Tim Pritlove wrote: >... >>i want to tell you something VERY strange. I don't get what is going on. >>Maybe someone here can enlighten me. >... >>But then I noticed I forgot one app: Internet Explorer. I started IE, >>typed http://localhost/ and: it worked! IE can access the OSX local >>loopback interface and gets rerouted to the OSX IP stack! Unbelieveable. >> > >I can only think of one thing here: you were too tired to notice, but >actually launched IE Carbon. Yes. That was what I thought in that moment as well. But just to make sure I am not a complete idiot I just tried it once more and it is true. And yes: I know the difference between a classic application and a osx native app. Could you all please check if you can do the same? Switch on your Apache, start IE5 (classic), type in localhost (or 127.0.0.1) and see what happens. While Netscape throws error windows at me, IE just presents the page from the server. It is more than reproducable. And no, there is no Classic Web Server running on my laptop :-) My guess is, that IE5 passes some other parameters to Open Transport than all the other apps do. They are working pretty close with Apple, so maybe they have something in their code nobody else has done. I'd like to have a clue, but I don't. Tim --- If organized religion is the opium of the masses then disorganized religion is the marijuana of the lunatic fringe. --- Tim Pritlove, Discordian Evangelist, PGP Fingerprint: 0588 53A1 B0EF 0C43 B6F9 A7A7 0777 36CD From rob at antiking.com Mon Jun 11 13:18:30 2001 From: rob at antiking.com (Robert Lee Dotson) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:31 2005 Subject: Remapping Caps-Lock Message-ID: <1219831792-46069949@vh.appleonline.net> Does anyone know if there is a user-level way to remap the caps-lock key to a control key? There is a hack floating about the internet which patches the keyboard driver to do just that, but it is system wide, and I only need this for one (important) user. Is there a way to create/edit keyboard layouts on osx? If there is, do the keyboard layouts permit (re)moval of control keys? Please cc me. -- Robert Lee Dotson Center for Neural Science New York University A Man, A Plan, A Canal. Panama! --Robert Lee Dotson Gertrude Stein said: "That's enough." From tim at ccc.de Mon Jun 11 13:24:43 2001 From: tim at ccc.de (Tim Pritlove) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:31 2005 Subject: firewall rules for OS X? Message-ID: <200106112024.NAA07979@omnigroup.com> On 11.06.2001 18:13 Uhr, Albert Lunde Albert-Lunde@northwestern.edu said: >Can someone suggest a source of specific examples for the >firewall/packet-filtering tools that work with OSX? (ipfw ?) You might want to check out BrickHouse which is an _excellent_ GUI tool for configuring the OSX firewall. Everything works the way you always wanted and you can change firewall settings with a click. The best program for Mac OS X admins I have encountered so far. http://personalpages.tds.net/~brian_hill/brickhouse.html http://www.versiontracker.com/moreinfo.fcgi?id=9103 The program even supports easy configuration of IP sharing and looks so nice you want to lick it. Just paid my shareware fee :-) Tim --- If organized religion is the opium of the masses then disorganized religion is the marijuana of the lunatic fringe. --- Tim Pritlove, Discordian Evangelist, PGP Fingerprint: 0588 53A1 B0EF 0C43 B6F9 A7A7 0777 36CD From ROB.BUSHMAN at asu.edu Mon Jun 11 13:41:32 2001 From: ROB.BUSHMAN at asu.edu (Rob Bushman) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:31 2005 Subject: Energy Saver Settings Message-ID: I've got OS X running on my Wall Street PB. I use this primarily for develpment (Apache/PHP/MySQL). However, I find it rather annoying that OS X doesn't seem to have support in it's Energy Saver preferences to support laptops. I liked the feature in OS 9 that permitted me to have two settings: one for when I'm plugged in to the power adapter and one when I'm on battery. Has anyone gotten around this? If I set it to never sleep, and I'm on battery, I could cause some serious damage to my machine. However, if I have it sleep/powerdown after a period of time, it makes it difficult to test over the network. Rob Bushman Manager of Instructional Technology ASSET - KAET Arizona State University (480) 727-7497 rob.bushman@asu.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /mailman/archive/macosx-admin/attachments/20010611/4e411f7b/attachment.html From scott at maxify.com Mon Jun 11 13:56:33 2001 From: scott at maxify.com (Scott Stevenson) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:31 2005 Subject: firewall rules for OS X? (more) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200106111946.MAA04483@spyhunter.maxify.com> On Monday, June 11, 2001, at 09:31 AM, patpro wrote: > I forgot to give you this one : > > http://www.linux-firewall-tools.com/linux/firewall/index.html > > it's an online script that will write for you FW rules according to your > preferences. Although the page does mention it, it's easily to miss. For Darwin/Mac OS X, you have to use the "ipfw" option, not "ipchains". - Scott -- Scott Stevenson http://wildtofu.com/ http://maxify.com/ From lists at colorremedies.com Mon Jun 11 13:59:11 2001 From: lists at colorremedies.com (Chris Murphy) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:31 2005 Subject: Removing locked files Message-ID: <200106112058.NAA10467@gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net> Michael Maibaum wrote: >> there probably should be a way of deleting locked files (like holding >> down option in OS 9) from the GUI however. Paul Lynch >Agreed, but this type of UI feature is very NeXT-like, and something >that Apple have been removing from their UI implementation. There needs to be a way to do this from the GUI. We need to be able to hold the option key down and empty the trash and for anything in the trash to be deleted. The current situation is annoying. It's un-Mac-like to require the user dig through the trash and manually unlock every single file as though they don't know what they are deleting. On OS 9, this feature isn't announced in the GUI. You have to know about it. It's a power user feature. Regular users empty the trash normally and will get a message that the trash contains items that are locked and they can't be deleted. In that case the user will need to go in and manually unlock the files. Incidentally, Mac OS X's error message in this regard is stupid. It doesn't describe what the problem really is, therefore the user doesn't know what's causing the problem. Operation not permitted or insufificient privileges does not direct the user to unlocking the file. This is bad UI. Chris Murphy Color Remedies (tm) Boulder, CO 303-415-9932 From jeff at omnia.praeclara.org Mon Jun 11 14:13:33 2001 From: jeff at omnia.praeclara.org (JHS) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:32 2005 Subject: firewall rules for OS X? In-Reply-To: <200106112024.NAA07979@omnigroup.com> Message-ID: <200106112111.f5BLBXY18209@omnia.praeclara.org> On Monday, June 11, 2001, at 03:24 PM, Tim Pritlove wrote: > On 11.06.2001 18:13 Uhr, Albert Lunde Albert-Lunde@northwestern.edu > said: > >> Can someone suggest a source of specific examples for the >> firewall/packet-filtering tools that work with OSX? (ipfw ?) > > You might want to check out BrickHouse which is an _excellent_ GUI tool > for configuring the OSX firewall. I suppose it is an excellent tool, in the sense that it works and is fairly easy to use. But I don't that it is very secure by deafult. Most people can run ipfw with a much more restrictive rule set (than brickhouse's default) and still not notice any inconvenience. From waltd at wdstudio.com Mon Jun 11 14:15:46 2001 From: waltd at wdstudio.com (Walter Lee Davis) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:32 2005 Subject: Energy Saver Settings In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I have my Wallstreet similarly configured. I have the hard drive and monitor set to sleep, and the processor to never sleep. So I don?t get the power savings you might want, but it does last longer than if everything is spinning and glowing. I also miss the ?never sleep when plugged in? part, but I can report that once I forgot to plug in the machine and left it running, and came back from a meeting to find it sleeping safely with its green light flashing, even though the system is set to never sleep. Plugged it in, and clicked the spacebar, and it woke up right where I left it. Walter On 6/11/01 4:36 PM, "Rob Bushman" wrote: > I've got OS X running on my Wall Street PB. I use this primarily for > develpment (Apache/PHP/MySQL). However, I find it rather annoying that OS X > doesn't seem to have support in it's Energy Saver preferences to support > laptops. I liked the feature in OS 9 that permitted me to have two settings: > one for when I'm plugged in to the power adapter and one when I'm on battery. > > Has anyone gotten around this? If I set it to never sleep, and I'm on battery, > I could cause some serious damage to my machine. However, if I have it > sleep/powerdown after a period of time, it makes it difficult to test over the > network. > > Rob Bushman > Manager of Instructional Technology > ASSET - KAET > Arizona State University > (480) 727-7497 > rob.bushman@asu.edu > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I read on the web tht this information is present in the leases file which is supposed to be of the format: IPADDR=64.194.234.201NETMASK=255.255.255.252 NETWORK=64.194.234.200BROADCAST=64.194.234.203 GATEWAY=64.194.234.202DNS=64.34.64.36,64.34.48.36 DHCPSID=64.194.234.202DHCPGIADDR=0.0.0.0 DHCPSIADDR=0.0.0.0DHCPCHADDR=02:60:8C:DD:02:6E DHCPSHADDR=00:10:E8:07:67:DADHCPSNAME=? LEASETIME=86400RENEWALTIME=43200REBINDTIME=75600 I did the following steps: >cd /var/db/dhcpclient/leases >ls 1,0:a:27:d6:fc:e6 >more 1,0:a:27:d6:fc:e6 dhcp@$%$% which shows dhcp followed by some garbage. Can someone please tell me how to find those parameters and if I have setup something wrongly ? Please help. Regards, Jeevan. From tim at bissells.org Mon Jun 11 15:53:43 2001 From: tim at bissells.org (Tim Bissell) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:32 2005 Subject: Remapping Caps-Lock In-Reply-To: <1219831792-46069949@vh.appleonline.net> Message-ID: <20010611225339.JQRQ290.mta02-svc.ntlworld.com@localhost> On Tuesday, June 12, 2001, at 12:20 AM, Robert Lee Dotson wrote: > Does anyone know if there is a user-level way to remap the caps-lock > key to a control key? There is a hack floating about the internet which > patches the keyboard driver to do just that, but it is system wide, and > I only need this for one (important) user. Is there a way to > create/edit keyboard layouts on osx? If there is, do the keyboard > layouts permit (re)moval of control keys? > > Please cc me. Nope, not yet, at least. If the machine is USB, you could buy him a Happy Hacker Lite 2 USB keyboard ( www.pfuca.com ) to plug and play when he wants control keys - it looks excellent in black. Tim From alexandre at apple2.com Mon Jun 11 16:07:52 2001 From: alexandre at apple2.com (Alexandre Siufy) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:32 2005 Subject: sendmail alternatives? In-Reply-To: <200106112303.QAA03728@smtpout.mac.com> Message-ID: <20010611230719.0996C387FE@didi.tiaxa.com> On segunda-feira, junho 11, 2001, at 07:03 , Ash Doyle wrote: >> A Microsoft Certified Systems Engineer is to computing what a >> McDonalds Certified Food Specialist is to fine cuisine > > I know this is off-topic, but I am tired of MCSEs constantly being > insulted. Yeah, Microsoft isn't ethically the greatest company, nor do > they make the greatest products, but most of the people who become > MCSEs are knowledgeable people. There are a few who got there > certifications by a stroke of luck on exam day, but most know what they > are doing. Not just in NT or 9x but also DNS, DHCP, TCP/IP and other > more non-vendor specific topics. > > Ash Doyle, MCSE, MCP+I > International Paper > Roanoke Rapids, NC > Ash.Doyle@iPaper.com > ashd@3rddoor.com Please read this: http://www.kuro5hin.org/?op=displaystory;sid=2001/6/4/175024/2072 Your Microsoft certifications mean nothing to me. You might be the most knowledgeable guy on Earth, but it's not through your MCSEs that you'll make them clear *to me*. And I'm sorry if you're tired of the insults, but first, there is a very good reason why they exist, and second, it is just my opinion (and hey, third, it's just a .sig anyway)... -- Alexandre Siufy alexandre@apple2.com A Microsoft Certified Systems Engineer is to computing what a McDonalds Certified Food Specialist is to fine cuisine From sanguish at digifix.com Mon Jun 11 16:10:24 2001 From: sanguish at digifix.com (Scott Anguish) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:32 2005 Subject: Postfix/imap/SSL article Re: sendmail alternatives? In-Reply-To: <200106112116.f5BLGRb00387@didi.tiaxa.com> Message-ID: On Monday, June 11, 2001, at 05:16 PM, Alexandre Siufy wrote: > Hi, > > Well, basically, I give up. I just want to have sendmail running > on PB so I don't have to switch between the SMTP server at home and at > the office. But it seems sendmail is far too temperamental... > Is there any other server I could use just to *send* messages (I'm > not receiving anything here), preferably easy to configure? :) > There is a new article on Stepwise about using Postfix, and it includes a bunch of other things as well.. Graham Orndorff wrote this.. and it's a great step by step thing for setting up mail on Mac OS X http://www.stepwise.com/ From chuqui at plaidworks.com Mon Jun 11 16:35:40 2001 From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:33 2005 Subject: sendmail alternatives? In-Reply-To: <20010611230719.0996C387FE@didi.tiaxa.com> Message-ID: <200106112326.f5BNQlh02741@plaidworks.com> On Monday, June 11, 2001, at 04:07 PM, Alexandre Siufy wrote: > Your Microsoft certifications mean nothing to me. You might be the > most knowledgeable guy on Earth, but it's not through your MCSEs that > you'll make them clear *to me*. > And I'm sorry if you're tired of the insults, but first, But first, isnt' this a list about MacOS X, so shouldn't this argument go on somewhere else? like in private? thx. -- Chuq Von Rospach, Internet Gnome [ = = ] Yes, yes, I've finally finished my home page. Lucky you. USENET is a lot better after two or three eggnogs. We shouldn't allow anyone on the net without a bottle of brandy. (chuq von rospach, 1992) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I will try to check this out when I'm using a "real" Mac OS X system (my laptop is not yet up to date). Regards, Justin On Monday, June 11, 2001, at 10:25 AM, Tim Pritlove wrote: > hi, > > i want to tell you something VERY strange. I don't get what is going on. > Maybe someone here can enlighten me. > > this is the story: > > in the good old days, when i was using mac os 9 (remember?) i was > using a > ssh-tunnel to get my email via POP from my mail server for security > reasons. so I configured my email client (in this case: claris emailer) > to grab its mail from 127.0.0.1. The SSH tunnel was done by that nasty > old fellow F-Secure SSH which unfortunately is still the ONLY program > doing SSH1 and tunneling on Classic Mac OS. > > After having moved to Mac OS X I wanted to use the UNIX ssh for > tunneling > because F-Secure sucks a lot (it was written with Microsoft Portability > libraries, it is VERY unstable, needs to be restarted when the IP > address > changes, crashes often when the machines sleeps and other nightmares). > This behaviour even got worse when running it under Classic (although at > least it DOES work a bit). There is a newer version of F-Secure SSH but > they do not support SSH1 protocols, so this is not an option. > > So I set up a ssh tunnel with /usr/bin/shh and tried to fetch my mail. > But Emailer couldn't connect to the local redirected port I configured. > Hmm. I thought about and it came to me, that it might not be possible to > access the OSX local loopback interface from Classic because they are 2 > OSs and the network sharing in OSX/Classic seems to be done on the > Ethernet interface layer (although I did't try this with Modem-PPP). > > For a test, I tried Netscape to access to my Apache Web Server running > in > OSX. Nothing. I tried BetterTelnet, NiftyTelnet. Nothing. I tried every > other tool on my disk that somehow accesses IP services. Nothing. I > almost gave up and thought: "ok, that's how Apple did it and the > localhost worlds of OSX and Classic are just different (which is not a > big surprise to me). > > But then I noticed I forgot one app: Internet Explorer. I started IE, > typed http://localhost/ and: it worked! IE can access the OSX local > loopback interface and gets rerouted to the OSX IP stack! Unbelieveable. > > So: what is going on here? Why IE and no other app? Has anybody deeper > insight into how Apple actually implemented the network sharing stuff in > OSX? > > Tim > > PS: I know I can switch to a OSX mailer and I really will but for now, I > need this solution. AND I want to test Classic apps against local > services on my OSX box. > > --- > If organized religion is the opium of the masses then > disorganized religion is the marijuana of the lunatic fringe. > --- > Tim Pritlove, Discordian Evangelist, > PGP Fingerprint: 0588 53A1 B0EF 0C43 B6F9 A7A7 0777 36CD > > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-admin mailing list > MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin > Justin C. Walker, Curmudgeon-At-Large * Institute for General Semantics | Director of Technology | Men are from Earth Nexsi Corp. | Women are from Earth 1959 Concourse Drive | Deal with it. San Jose, CA 95131 | *-------------------------------------*-------------------------------* From james at veldt.com Mon Jun 11 17:03:32 2001 From: james at veldt.com (James Gorham) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:33 2005 Subject: remote biff for OS X? Message-ID: <200106120003.f5C03r930682@autobot.veldt.com> I'm wondering if anyone knows of a biff-like program for X that can work on remote machines... Some specifics... I run an IMAP server, and currently keep an ssh session open to it, running biff. This way I can tell when mail comes in, and to which mailbox in my tree, as mail.app will only regularly check the Inbox. I'm hoping there's some sort of little app that can run on my OS X machine, not via the terminal, that can check the remote IMAP server, and notify me of new mail, and let me know which specific box it has arrived in. There's a couple apps in the BSD Ports collection, but it looks like they require either X Windows, or are a command line tool. Any ideas? Regards, James From mkennard at reef.com Mon Jun 11 17:57:14 2001 From: mkennard at reef.com (Michael Kennard) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:33 2005 Subject: OT: Netwon sync on OSX? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200106120048.AAA22878@hera.reef.com> Will, I use the mp2100 and have no problems with NCU via ethernet, either via crossed cable or through the network. It has no problems via classic and I also use newtourage for syncing entourage addresses. I have used the belkin usb to serial adapter but find ethernet faster and less hassle with carrying things around. You just need to find yourself an PC-card ethernet adapter that actually works in the newton, probably via e-bay. Here is a list of adapters that work. http://www.info-newt.com/faq/newton-faq-hardware.html#IIB2c have fun, michael On Friday, June 8, 2001, at 06:26 PM, Will Scheidegger wrote: > List, > > I'm affraid I'm the only one still using a Newton. Or can anyone share > some info about Newton tools portet to MacOS X > - First of all: How to hook up your Newton to non-ADB hardware? > - Software for backups, synchronisations? > - Compatible calendars? > > Thanks. > > Regards, > Will > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-admin mailing list > MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin > From yakakpo at free.fr Mon Jun 11 18:06:03 2001 From: yakakpo at free.fr (Yves Akakpo) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:33 2005 Subject: Solved: Unable to remove AppleWorks6.app In-Reply-To: <20010611140308.A6124@uiuc.edu> Message-ID: <20010612010558.139A7C0DF@postfix2-1.free.fr> Le lundi 11 juin 2001, ? 09:03, Nicholas Riley a ?crit : With > % find . -exec ls -lod \{\} \; | grep -v " - " All files are flags set to uchg in .AppleWorks6 > -rwxr-xr-x 1 yves admin uchg 0 Mar 18 12:00 ./AppleWorks 6 > -rwxr-xr-x 1 yves admin uchg 0 Mar 18 12:00 > ./Contents/MacOS/AppleWorks Essentials > -rwxr-xr-x 1 yves admin uchg 0 ???????????and so on To change the flags > %chflags -R nouchg AppleWorks6.app Remove all files by > % rm -ir AppleWorks6.app I am newbe in Unix . I think the -i options is the way to control file by file the rm action. Thanks for all your help Yves From chris707 at pacbell.net Mon Jun 11 19:22:52 2001 From: chris707 at pacbell.net (Chris) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:33 2005 Subject: CpMac's '-mac' argument? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <0GES00LC9P91GH@mta6.snfc21.pbi.net> Thanks Vince, I knew about the problems of copying of dual-fork files with cp, and that's why I use CpMac. CpMac, though does this correctly *without* using the -mac flag. In fact I could find no way at all to use the -mac flag in CpMac, and was just wondering if it actually has a function. Chris On Monday, June 11, 2001, at 10:10 AM, Vicen wrote: > Hi Chris, > > This is not going to be a precise explanation but it may help you to > find > the answer: you can use the -mac option to copy the resource fork of an > archive. As you probably now, the cp command can only copy data fork, so > when using cp to copy a classic OS9 archive to another location (in > example) > you will get in the destination path the same archive with the data > fork of > the source archive but no resource fork. CpMac provides a way to > prevent it > from happen. > > Sometimes, the system itself can split in an archive when you copy it > to the > OSX desktop by dragging it. An example: > > 1)Sound (OS9)-> 2)Sound (data fork) and 3) ._Sound (resource fork of 1) > in > its data fork) > > Note that ._Sound is an invisible file. > > Best, > Vince > > -----Mensaje original----- > De: macosx-admin-admin@omnigroup.com > [mailto:macosx-admin-admin@omnigroup.com]En nombre de Chris > Enviado el: s?bado, 09 de junio de 2001 20:03 > Para: macosx-admin@omnigroup.com > Asunto: CpMac's '-mac' argument? > > > Just curious, does anyone happen to know the function of the "-mac" > option that's listed as one of /Developer/Tools/CpMac's arguments? As > in: > > usage: /Developer/Tools/CpMac [-r] [-mac] ... > > CpMac works mostly like cp, but knows about resource forks. > > Including '-mac' in any CpMac command line I can think of always returns > an error. > > TIA > > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-admin mailing list > MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin > From alex at mindlube.com Mon Jun 11 19:30:49 2001 From: alex at mindlube.com (Alex Rice) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:33 2005 Subject: Mail.app text wrapping Message-ID: <200106120233.f5C2XHh96721@taka.swcp.com> Is it possible to get Mail.app to hard wrap text on outgoing message composition? There are a surprising number of mail readers out there that can't really display flowed text very well. Alex Rice Mindlube Software http://www.mindlube.com/ From alex at mindlube.com Mon Jun 11 19:41:26 2001 From: alex at mindlube.com (Alex Rice) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:33 2005 Subject: maintaining default browser preference Message-ID: <200106120243.f5C2hth99441@taka.swcp.com> I keep setting my Default browser in System Prefs to Omniweb. Somehow IE 5 keeps sneaking back in there. Every time I've run IE, I've said no to the 'set as default browser?' prompt. Does anyone know of a workaround for this? Alex Rice Mindlube Software http://www.mindlube.com/ From epeyton at epicware.com Mon Jun 11 20:21:25 2001 From: epeyton at epicware.com (Eric Peyton) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:34 2005 Subject: maintaining default browser preference In-Reply-To: <200106120243.f5C2hth99441@taka.swcp.com> Message-ID: <20010612032052.E177161DF@smtp-2.enteract.com> Delete your Internet Preferences from ~/Library/Preferences. Log out. Log in. Set OmniWeb as your default. Immediately Log out. Log back in. OmniWeb should be set as your default preference now, and hopefully it will stay this way. It is a very well known bug. Eric On Monday, June 11, 2001, at 09:41 PM, Alex Rice wrote: > I keep setting my Default browser in System Prefs to Omniweb. > Somehow IE 5 keeps sneaking back in there. Every time I've run IE, > I've said no to the 'set as default browser?' prompt. Does anyone > know of a workaround for this? > > Alex Rice > Mindlube Software > http://www.mindlube.com/ > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-admin mailing list > MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin From gibbonsb at io.com Mon Jun 11 20:22:05 2001 From: gibbonsb at io.com (Gibbons Burke) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:34 2005 Subject: maintaining default browser preference In-Reply-To: <200106120243.f5C2hth99441@taka.swcp.com> References: <200106120243.f5C2hth99441@taka.swcp.com> Message-ID: At 8:41 PM -0600 6/11/01, Alex Rice wrote: >I keep setting my Default browser in System Prefs to Omniweb. >Somehow IE 5 keeps sneaking back in there. Every time I've run IE, >I've said no to the 'set as default browser?' prompt. Does anyone >know of a workaround for this? > Yes - a simple hack was posted in the macosx-talk list by William Jon Shipley in March: http://www.macsecurity.org/mail/macosx-talk/mar01/msg02261.shtml It works. -- Gibbons Burke Grey-eyed Athena sent them a favorable breeze, gibbonsb@io.com a fresh west wind, singing over the wine-dark sea. http://www.io.com/gibbonsb/ [Homer, The Odyssey, II, l.420.] From jason at extralargemedia.com Mon Jun 11 22:10:20 2001 From: jason at extralargemedia.com (Jason Ziegler) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:34 2005 Subject: Anyone successfully compile the GD library? Message-ID: <1219817858-148815685@extralargemedia.com> Help! Has anyone successfully compiled the GD library (http://www.boutell.com/gd/) on OSX 10.0.x? If so, are there any good compiling directions (or, almost as good, binaries!) available out there? Thanks, Jason From njriley at uiuc.edu Mon Jun 11 22:39:34 2001 From: njriley at uiuc.edu (Nicholas Riley) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:34 2005 Subject: Making Terminal windows change tty permissions? Message-ID: <20010612004221.I17205@uiuc.edu> Hi, I was just trying to get 'talk' to work, but... [p2:2] ~%mesg y mesg: /dev/ttyp2: Operation not permitted [p2:3] ~%ls -l /dev/ttyp2 0 crw-rw-rw- 1 root wheel 4, 2 Jun 12 00:32 /dev/ttyp2 If I execute 'login', the owner is properly changed: 0 crw-rw-rw- 1 nicholas tty 4, 3 Jun 12 00:33 /dev/ttyp3 So, is there any way to get Terminal.app to change ownership of the tty? My only thought was to start 'screen', which is suid root, and have it do the right thing: 0 crw--w---- 1 nicholas tty 4, 4 Jun 12 00:34 /dev/ttyp4 Another thing - isn't it bad for your tty to be world-readable and writable? SSH and screen both use the permissions above, but 'login' and Terminal.app leave it accessible to world. -- Nicholas Riley | From sanguish at digifix.com Mon Jun 11 23:14:56 2001 From: sanguish at digifix.com (Scott Anguish) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:34 2005 Subject: Anyone successfully compile the GD library? In-Reply-To: <1219817858-148815685@extralargemedia.com> Message-ID: On Tuesday, June 12, 2001, at 01:10 AM, Jason Ziegler wrote: > Help! > > Has anyone successfully compiled the GD library > (http://www.boutell.com/gd/) on OSX 10.0.x? > Yep. > If so, are there any good compiling directions (or, almost as good, > binaries!) available out there? I've thrown together instructions on Stepwise for this.. it's at http://www.stepwise.com/Articles/Workbench/2001-06-12.01.html From abmorton at mac.com Tue Jun 12 02:08:01 2001 From: abmorton at mac.com (Anthony Morton) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:34 2005 Subject: Powerbook mislaid its OS Message-ID: <200106120907.CAA15171@smtpout.mac.com> Hi, Wondering if anyone can comment on this peculiar behaviour. I have 10.0.3 installed on a G4 TiBook, which had run without problems so far. Suddenly I power it up and the thing doesn't boot, instead I get the question-mark-disk 'Where is my OS?' icon and the HD continually thrashes. Somewhat alarmed, I run the Apple Hardware Test and it finds nothing wrong. Not knowing any better, I take the brute force option and reinstall the OS from my original 10.0.0 CD, then reapply the incremental updates. (Incidentally, I found it wouldn't let me install the 10.0.1 update but did install the 10.0.3 update - I'd been led to believe both are required.) This seems to have fixed things although there's been some other minor breakage. I occasionally run the GRASS GIS (5.0 beta) under XDarwin, and the Tcl/Tk GUI module now bombs out with an obscure error message: Error in startup script: couldn't create error file for command: no such file or directory while executing "exec xwininfo -id [winfo id .w_g] | grep -i Corners" (file "/usr/local/grass5/tcltkgrass/main/gui.tcl" line 1898) invoked from within "source $env(TCLTKGRASSBASE)/main/gui.tcl" (file "/usr/local/grass5/bin/tcltkgrass" line 17) I've no idea whether this error is the fault of GRASS, Tcl, X or a broken config script somewhere. Reinstalling XFree86 and Tcl/Tk doesn't help. (I've already gone in and reset the default PATH with the directories that OS X doesn't put in by default.) Apart from this issue everything else now seems OK. As for what might have caused the original problem, all I can point to is that in the previous session I installed some Classic software (Matlab). But this didn't seem to be fooling around with the System Folder, although with Classic you never can tell. My main question for this forum: is there some Open Firmware magic that might have diagnosed and/or fixed the original problem? Should I be worried about the state of my OS and/or hardware? I'm a complete ignoramus when it comes to MacOS internals. Regards, Tony Morton From ashkendo at mac.com Tue Jun 12 03:44:05 2001 From: ashkendo at mac.com (Ash Doyle) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:34 2005 Subject: Powerbook mislaid its OS In-Reply-To: <200106120907.CAA15171@smtpout.mac.com> Message-ID: <200106121043.DAA25724@smtpout.mac.com> If this happens again, just instert the Software CD that came with your TiBook which will boot you into OS 9 from the CD, Go to the hard drive and choose the StartUp Disk control panel from the OS 9 installation, choose OS X and reboot. I have a TiBook and for awhile this was a very common occurence. This takes care of it everytime. Reinstalling is completely unnecessary. Ash Doyle, MCSE, MCP+I Systems Engineer International Paper Ash.Doyle@iPaper.com From dev at humph.com Tue Jun 12 04:19:00 2001 From: dev at humph.com (Giuliano Gavazzi) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:34 2005 Subject: Powerbook mislaid its OS In-Reply-To: <200106121043.DAA25724@smtpout.mac.com> References: <200106121043.DAA25724@smtpout.mac.com> Message-ID: At 6:43 am -0400 2001/06/12, Ash Doyle wrote: >If this happens again, just instert the Software CD that came with >your TiBook which will boot you into OS 9 from the CD, Go to the >hard drive and choose the StartUp Disk control panel from the OS 9 >installation, choose OS X and reboot. > >I have a TiBook and for awhile this was a very common occurence. >This takes care of it everytime. Reinstalling is completely >unnecessary. > wouldn't pressing the option key at startup be enough? I am planning to get a Ti and would rather avoid to have the CD with me all time. Giuliano -- H U M P H || ||| software Java & C++ Server/Client/Human Interface applications on MacOS - MacOS X http://www.humph.com/ From gibbonsb at io.com Tue Jun 12 04:32:22 2001 From: gibbonsb at io.com (Gibbons Burke) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:34 2005 Subject: Powerbook mislaid its OS In-Reply-To: References: <200106121043.DAA25724@smtpout.mac.com> Message-ID: At 12:18 PM +0100 6/12/01, Giuliano Gavazzi wrote: >At 6:43 am -0400 2001/06/12, Ash Doyle wrote: >>If this happens again, just instert the Software CD that came with >>your TiBook which will boot you into OS 9 from the CD, Go to the >>hard drive and choose the StartUp Disk control panel from the OS 9 >>installation, choose OS X and reboot. >> >>I have a TiBook and for awhile this was a very common occurence. >>This takes care of it everytime. Reinstalling is completely >>unnecessary. >> > >wouldn't pressing the option key at startup be enough? I am planning >to get a Ti and would rather avoid to have the CD with me all time. The option key method for choosing the startup disk is useful only if you have OS 9 and OS X on different drives or different partitions on the same drive. -- Gibbons Burke Grey-eyed Athena sent them a favorable breeze, gibbonsb@io.com a fresh west wind, singing over the wine-dark sea. http://www.io.com/gibbonsb/ [Homer, The Odyssey, II, l.420.] From abmorton at mac.com Tue Jun 12 04:42:03 2001 From: abmorton at mac.com (Anthony Morton) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:35 2005 Subject: Powerbook mislaid its OS In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200106121141.EAA09647@smtpout.mac.com> >> If this happens again, just instert the Software CD that came with >> your TiBook which will boot you into OS 9 from the CD, Go to the hard >> drive and choose the StartUp Disk control panel from the OS 9 >> installation, choose OS X and reboot. >> >> I have a TiBook and for awhile this was a very common occurence. This >> takes care of it everytime. Reinstalling is completely unnecessary. > Wouldn't pressing the option key at startup be enough? I am planning to > get a Ti and would rather avoid to have the CD with me all time. Thanks for the tips. I had an idea there was a simple solution, and what I did was sheer overkill. In a way it's nice to know others have had the same problem. Is there some kind of technical document that will demystify the whole startup process, explain what all the various startup key combinations do, and so on? I've read the OS X System Overview but it's very light on for detail. Cheers, Tony M. From morten.ronseth at rayon.no Tue Jun 12 04:59:01 2001 From: morten.ronseth at rayon.no (Morten R=?ISO-8859-1?B?+A==?=nseth) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:35 2005 Subject: OSX Server Desktop G3 Message-ID: Hi, I'm upgrading from OSX PB to OSX Server on an old desktop G3 (gossamer). After the upgrade is finished, the screen says "The Setup Assistant is configuring the server...", the blue progress bar is about 80 percent complete - and it doesn't get any further (at least not after 2 1/2 hours). If I force a reboot the system starts ok (all deamons in place) but it starts the configuration process all over agaiin (resulting in quite a few admin accounts as I'm forced to enter a new every time around) Is there a solution to this? Should I just leave it overnight? Cheers, -Morten ------------------------------------------------------------------- Rayon Interactive AS http://www.rayon.no Morten Lerskau R?nseth mailto:morten.ronseth@rayon.no Karenslyst All? 16d Tlf.: (47) 2213 5250 0278 Oslo Fax : (47) 2213 5260 Norway ICQ: 25163080 PGP fingerprint: F851 91B6 1D81 1409 8B62 3E14 5A60 65F8 5AF4 56AF From joar at joar.com Tue Jun 12 05:46:22 2001 From: joar at joar.com (j o a r) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:35 2005 Subject: OSX Server Desktop G3 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200106121246.f5CCkBn16900@www3.aname.net> On tisdag, juni 12, 2001, at 02:01 , Morten R?nseth wrote: > I'm upgrading from OSX PB to OSX Server on an old desktop G3 (gossamer). > After the upgrade is finished, the screen says "The Setup Assistant is > configuring the server...", the blue progress bar is about 80 percent > complete - and it doesn't get any further (at least not after 2 1/2 > hours). > If I force a reboot the system starts ok (all deamons in place) but it > starts the configuration process all over agaiin (resulting in quite a > few > admin accounts as I'm forced to enter a new every time around) > Is there a solution to this? Should I just leave it overnight? You should defenitively not upgrade from the Public Beta to anything else. A clean install is the only way to go! Backup only the bare minimum of databases and configuration files you need and import them when you are done. Regards, j o a r From mclemens.cunde at t-online.de Tue Jun 12 05:52:49 2001 From: mclemens.cunde at t-online.de (Christoph Ewering) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:35 2005 Subject: Fax? Message-ID: <3B26109F.67320D95@cunde.de> Hello! I wonder if there is a solution for faxing with MacOS X. Bye, Christoph -- Dipl. Ing. Christoph Ewering C & E Informationsdienste GbR 0 52 54 80 68 66 oder 0173 566 266 1 eweri@cunde.de From Morten.Ronseth at coil.no Tue Jun 12 06:29:24 2001 From: Morten.Ronseth at coil.no (Morten R=?ISO-8859-1?B?+A==?=nseth) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:35 2005 Subject: OSX Server Desktop G3 In-Reply-To: <200106121246.f5CCkBn16900@www3.aname.net> Message-ID: Oh, I don't know about that. The server updated perfectly, only requiring roughly 3 hours for the last stage :-) Now works like a charm again! Cheers, -Morten "j o a r" skrev i sin epost 200106121246.f5CCkBn16900@www3.aname.net av den 6/12/01 2:46 PM: > > On tisdag, juni 12, 2001, at 02:01 , Morten R?nseth wrote: > >> I'm upgrading from OSX PB to OSX Server on an old desktop G3 (gossamer). >> After the upgrade is finished, the screen says "The Setup Assistant is >> configuring the server...", the blue progress bar is about 80 percent >> complete - and it doesn't get any further (at least not after 2 1/2 >> hours). >> If I force a reboot the system starts ok (all deamons in place) but it >> starts the configuration process all over agaiin (resulting in quite a >> few >> admin accounts as I'm forced to enter a new every time around) >> Is there a solution to this? Should I just leave it overnight? > > You should defenitively not upgrade from the Public Beta to anything > else. A clean install is the only way to go! Backup only the bare > minimum of databases and configuration files you need and import them > when you are done. > > Regards, > > j o a r > > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-admin mailing list > MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin --------------------------------------------------------------- Coil AS http://www.coil.no Morten Lerskau R?nseth mailto:morten.ronseth@coil.no Karenslyst All? 16d Tlf.: (47) 2254 1820 0278 Oslo Fax : (47) 2254 1821 Norway Mob.: (47) 9343 4357 ICQ : 25163080 From alexandre at apple2.com Tue Jun 12 07:10:44 2001 From: alexandre at apple2.com (Alexandre Siufy) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:35 2005 Subject: Powerbook mislaid its OS In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20010612141009.B73B838BBD@didi.tiaxa.net> On ter?a-feira, junho 12, 2001, at 07:28 , Gibbons Burke wrote: > At 12:18 PM +0100 6/12/01, Giuliano Gavazzi wrote: >> At 6:43 am -0400 2001/06/12, Ash Doyle wrote: >>> If this happens again, just instert the Software CD that came with >>> your TiBook which will boot you into OS 9 from the CD, Go to the hard >>> drive and choose the StartUp Disk control panel from the OS 9 >>> installation, choose OS X and reboot. >>> >>> I have a TiBook and for awhile this was a very common occurence. This >>> takes care of it everytime. Reinstalling is completely unnecessary. >>> >> >> wouldn't pressing the option key at startup be enough? I am planning >> to get a Ti and would rather avoid to have the CD with me all time. > > The option key method for choosing the startup disk is useful only if > you have OS 9 and OS X on different drives or different partitions on > the same drive. > I recommend you install OS X that way on your TiBook (OS 9 in a different partition). I have it installed that way on mine, and I haven't had any such problems (yet!)... -- Alexandre Siufy alexandre@apple2.com A Microsoft Certified Systems Engineer is to computing what a McDonalds Certified Food Specialist is to fine cuisine From morten.ronseth at rayon.no Tue Jun 12 07:57:37 2001 From: morten.ronseth at rayon.no (Morten R=?ISO-8859-1?B?+A==?=nseth) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:35 2005 Subject: Extra IDE drive & spin-down Message-ID: Hi, Has anybody had any experience with adding extra IDE drives to a G3/OSXS 1.2 (IBM 70GB)? We recently did this and it seems that if you log out, after a while the extra disk will spin down and disappear from the file system. Telnet in to the machine and the disk is just not there. Upon logging back in again, the disk automagically appears... Weird? Cheers, -Morten ------------------------------------------------------------------- Rayon Interactive AS http://www.rayon.no Morten Lerskau R?nseth mailto:morten.ronseth@rayon.no Karenslyst All? 16d Tlf.: (47) 2213 5250 0278 Oslo Fax : (47) 2213 5260 Norway ICQ: 25163080 PGP fingerprint: F851 91B6 1D81 1409 8B62 3E14 5A60 65F8 5AF4 56AF From shawn at freetimesw.com Tue Jun 12 08:14:16 2001 From: shawn at freetimesw.com (Shawn Erickson) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:35 2005 Subject: Powerbook mislaid its OS In-Reply-To: <20010612141009.B73B838BBD@didi.tiaxa.net> Message-ID: <20010612151250.307C6145493@beach.silcom.com> On Tuesday, June 12, 2001, at 07:10 AM, Alexandre Siufy wrote: > > On ter?a-feira, junho 12, 2001, at 07:28 , Gibbons Burke wrote: > >> At 12:18 PM +0100 6/12/01, Giuliano Gavazzi wrote: >>> At 6:43 am -0400 2001/06/12, Ash Doyle wrote: >>>> If this happens again, just instert the Software CD that came with >>>> your TiBook which will boot you into OS 9 from the CD, Go to the >>>> hard drive and choose the StartUp Disk control panel from the OS 9 >>>> installation, choose OS X and reboot. >>>> >>>> I have a TiBook and for awhile this was a very common occurence. >>>> This takes care of it everytime. Reinstalling is completely >>>> unnecessary. >>>> >>> >>> wouldn't pressing the option key at startup be enough? I am planning >>> to get a Ti and would rather avoid to have the CD with me all time. >> >> The option key method for choosing the startup disk is useful only if >> you have OS 9 and OS X on different drives or different partitions on >> the same drive. >> > > I recommend you install OS X that way on your TiBook (OS 9 in a > different partition). I have it installed that way on mine, and I > haven't had any such problems (yet!)... I have both (Mac OS 9 & Mac OS X) installed on a single partition on my TiBook and have never had the problem either. That being said I have been running Mac OS X from its release date and have only rebooted my TiBook about three times (once for each OS patch upgrade). The rest of the time it just sleeps when I am not using it. Why are guys rebooting so often? Something you need to do in Mac OS 9 that classic can't handle? -Shawn From joel at firstsoftware.co.uk Tue Jun 12 08:30:09 2001 From: joel at firstsoftware.co.uk (Joel Smith) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:36 2005 Subject: Moving mount points In-Reply-To: <200106092042.NAA23694@scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net> References: <200106092042.NAA23694@scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net> Message-ID: I have 4 partitions on my PB Ti. I have just noticed that one of the partition mount points has moved - what was mounted on /Volumes/Laptev is now mounted on /Volumes/Laptev 1. Anyone got any idea what is happening here?? Needless to say, it has broken all my symlinks to that drive. Cheers, Joel -- Joel Smith IFonline Princes Exchange Princes Square +44 (0)113 220 7017 +44 (0)7768 803758 (mobile) Leeds LS1 4NP Fax +44 (0)870 1617192 (direct) From alexandre at apple2.com Tue Jun 12 08:31:44 2001 From: alexandre at apple2.com (Alexandre Siufy) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:36 2005 Subject: Powerbook mislaid its OS In-Reply-To: <20010612151250.307C6145493@beach.silcom.com> Message-ID: <20010612153113.073AD38E2C@didi.tiaxa.net> On ter?a-feira, junho 12, 2001, at 11:13 , Shawn Erickson wrote: >> I recommend you install OS X that way on your TiBook (OS 9 in a >> different partition). I have it installed that way on mine, and I >> haven't had any such problems (yet!)... > > I have both (Mac OS 9 & Mac OS X) installed on a single partition on my > TiBook and have never had the problem either. That being said I have > been running Mac OS X from its release date and have only rebooted my > TiBook about three times (once for each OS patch upgrade). The rest of > the time it just sleeps when I am not using it. > > Why are guys rebooting so often? Something you need to do in Mac OS 9 > that classic can't handle? Well, I actually use my PowerBook as a laptop :) I take it home, to meetings, etc... And I don't trust OS X's sleep function... So, I am not booting back into OS 9, I am just doing normal reboots, even though I go to OS 9 once in a while to burn CDs or watch DVDs. -- Alexandre Siufy alexandre@apple2.com A Microsoft Certified Systems Engineer is to computing what a McDonalds Certified Food Specialist is to fine cuisine From gibbonsb at io.com Tue Jun 12 08:57:04 2001 From: gibbonsb at io.com (Gibbons Burke) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:36 2005 Subject: Powerbook mislaid its OS In-Reply-To: <20010612153113.073AD38E2C@didi.tiaxa.net> References: <20010612153113.073AD38E2C@didi.tiaxa.net> Message-ID: At 11:31 AM -0400 6/12/01, Alexandre Siufy wrote: > >On ter?a-feira, junho 12, 2001, at 11:13 , Shawn Erickson wrote: > >>> I recommend you install OS X that way on your TiBook (OS 9 in >>>a different partition). I have it installed that way on mine, and >>>I haven't had any such problems (yet!)... >> >>I have both (Mac OS 9 & Mac OS X) installed on a single partition >>on my TiBook and have never had the problem either. That being said >>I have been running Mac OS X from its release date and have only >>rebooted my TiBook about three times (once for each OS patch >>upgrade). The rest of the time it just sleeps when I am not using >>it. >> >>Why are guys rebooting so often? Something you need to do in Mac OS >>9 that classic can't handle? > > Well, I actually use my PowerBook as a laptop :) I take it >home, to meetings, etc... And I don't trust OS X's sleep function... > So, I am not booting back into OS 9, I am just doing normal >reboots, even though I go to OS 9 once in a while to burn CDs or >watch DVDs. Not to mention sync-ing Palm pilots, and re-configuring Airport Base Stations with the Airport Admin utility, or share files on old media (SCSI drives, Zip drives) with a legacy Mac running OS 8.0 over an EtherNet-bridged LocalTalk network. Also, if you want to keep your Classic OS 9 up to date you have to boot in OS 9 to run Software Update. I travel with my Airport Base Station - it is very nice to be able to set up the base station near the window of a hotel room and enjoy poolside wireless Internet bandwidth on my PowerBook, although the screen is sometimes difficult to see, even in the shade. But changing the dial-up settings requires the OS 9-only Airport Admin utility. I haven't had any luck with the Java-based tool. -- Gibbons Burke Grey-eyed Athena sent them a favorable breeze, gibbonsb@io.com a fresh west wind, singing over the wine-dark sea. http://www.io.com/gibbonsb/ [Homer, The Odyssey, II, l.420.] From epeyton at epicware.com Tue Jun 12 09:00:25 2001 From: epeyton at epicware.com (Eric Peyton) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:36 2005 Subject: Moving mount points In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20010612155952.5C4D474CF@smtp-1.enteract.com> Something (any idea what) has unmounted /Volumes/Laptev and when the autodiskmounter went to remount it, the mounter couldn't remount on Laptev for some reason (i.e. someone else was attempting to write there, etc.) so the autodiskmounter created a new mount point on Laptev 1 and remounted it there. Did you accidentally hit Cmd-E in finder and "eject" the partition? Have you run Classic lately or any classic apps? Which ones? Can you send me the contents (ls -la) of /Volumes/Laptev before cleaning this up? To fix this ... remove the /Volumes/Laptev directory. Make sure it is gone. reboot. The autodiskmounter should try to remount on Laptev, see that it is okay to do so and remount in the correct place. Eric On Tuesday, June 12, 2001, at 10:29 AM, Joel Smith wrote: > I have 4 partitions on my PB Ti. I have just noticed that one of > the partition mount points has moved - what was mounted on > /Volumes/Laptev is now mounted on /Volumes/Laptev 1. > > Anyone got any idea what is happening here?? Needless to say, it > has broken all my symlinks to that drive. > > Cheers, > > Joel > -- > Joel Smith > IFonline > Princes Exchange > Princes Square +44 (0)113 220 7017 +44 (0)7768 803758 (mobile) > Leeds LS1 4NP Fax +44 (0)870 1617192 (direct) > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-admin mailing list > MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin From darrell at specialmoves.com Tue Jun 12 09:09:02 2001 From: darrell at specialmoves.com (darrell wilkins) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:36 2005 Subject: Powerbook mislaid its OS In-Reply-To: <20010612153113.073AD38E2C@didi.tiaxa.net> Message-ID: On 12/6/01 4:31 pm "Alexandre Siufy" said : >> Why are guys rebooting so often? Something you need to do in Mac OS 9 >> that classic can't handle? > > And I don't trust OS X's sleep function... Nor do I. I've had a few kernel panics upon waking from sleep. I'm not 100% sure what's causing them but I think it may be related to going to sleep in an airport network and waking up not in one and vice versa. cheers darrell - specialmoves 020 7278 7448 www.specialmoves.com From joar at joar.com Tue Jun 12 10:06:47 2001 From: joar at joar.com (j o a r) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:36 2005 Subject: Powerbook mislaid its OS In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On tisdag, juni 12, 2001, at 06:09 , darrell wilkins wrote: > I've had a few kernel panics upon waking from sleep. I'm not 100% sure > what's causing them but I think it may be related to going to sleep in > an > airport network and waking up not in one and vice versa. Dito that. And this morning my battery was completely drained - when I put the PB to sleep last night it had plenty of juice left. Not good. Probably AirPort related. I'll hope they get around to fix that some time. j o a r From justin at mac.com Tue Jun 12 10:53:18 2001 From: justin at mac.com (Justin C. Walker) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:36 2005 Subject: macosx get leasetime and dhcpserver IP In-Reply-To: <3B254496.ED11D2A6@hotmail.com> Message-ID: <200106121759.KAA14856@mail.nexsi.com> Try % ipconfig getpacket DEV (where DEV is the network device you're using). If you get a result, you're in touch with a DHCP (or BOOTP) server, and the resulting output will, in the case of DHCP, include the lease time (see below). You can find the source on the Darwin site, or you can use 'ipconfig' in a script. % ipconfig getpacket en0 op = BOOTREPLY htype = 1 dp_flags = 0 hlen = 6 hops = 0 xid = 436137071 secs = 0 ciaddr = 0.0.0.0 yiaddr = 172.17.14.78 siaddr = 172.16.0.50 giaddr = 0.0.0.0 chaddr = 0:30:65:bf:8d:80 sname = here.there.com file = options: Options count is 8 dhcp_message_type (uint8): ACK 0x5 server_identifier (ip): 172.16.0.50 lease_time (uint32): 0xa8c0 subnet_mask (ip): 255.255.0.0 router (ip_mult): {172.17.0.1} domain_name_server (ip_mult): {172.17.0.11} domain_name (string): sw.nexsi.com end (none): Regards, Justin On Monday, June 11, 2001, at 03:22 PM, Jeevan Patil wrote: > Hello, > > How can I programmatically or through a script get the dhcplease time > and dhcpserver IP address on macosx ? > I read on the web tht this information is present in the leases file > which is supposed to be of the format: > IPADDR=64.194.234.201NETMASK=255.255.255.252 > NETWORK=64.194.234.200BROADCAST=64.194.234.203 > GATEWAY=64.194.234.202DNS=64.34.64.36,64.34.48.36 > DHCPSID=64.194.234.202DHCPGIADDR=0.0.0.0 > DHCPSIADDR=0.0.0.0DHCPCHADDR=02:60:8C:DD:02:6E > DHCPSHADDR=00:10:E8:07:67:DADHCPSNAME=? > LEASETIME=86400RENEWALTIME=43200REBINDTIME=75600 > Justin C. Walker, Curmudgeon-At-Large * Institute for General Semantics | Director of Technology | Her profession's her religion Nexsi Corp. | Her sin is her lifelessness. 1959 Concourse Drive | San Jose, CA 95131 | *---------------------------------------*-------------------------------* From AHP at MARKETECH-Consulting.com Tue Jun 12 11:06:59 2001 From: AHP at MARKETECH-Consulting.com (Aman Patel) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:36 2005 Subject: Powerbook mislaid its OS In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Many people complain that they can't administer base stations in classic, but that is not true. I only boot into OS 9 once a week to sync my m505, but I administer many base stations via Classic in OS X. What throws most people is that when the AirPort Admin Utility is launched in Classic, you are presented with a dialog box that says "The required AirPort software was not found on this computer." If you choose 'Continue' you have full administrative access to all Base Stations on the network. I have not found any configuration options that are unavailable, as the dialog box warns. I have been able to do everything including upload new Firmware. Of course, there may be a setting or two that are missing, but I haven't found any. Hope this helps. Aman Patel MARKETECH Consulting Apple Solution Experts - Apple Product Professional on 6/12/01 11:54 AM, Gibbons Burke at gibbonsb@io.com wrote: > Not to mention sync-ing Palm pilots, and re-configuring Airport Base > Stations with the Airport Admin utility, or share files on old media > (SCSI drives, Zip drives) with a legacy Mac running OS 8.0 over an > EtherNet-bridged LocalTalk network. Also, if you want to keep your > Classic OS 9 up to date you have to boot in OS 9 to run Software > Update. > > I travel with my Airport Base Station - it is very nice to be able to > set up the base station near the window of a hotel room and enjoy > poolside wireless Internet bandwidth on my PowerBook, although the > screen is sometimes difficult to see, even in the shade. But changing > the dial-up settings requires the OS 9-only Airport Admin utility. I > haven't had any luck with the Java-based tool. From jeff at omnia.praeclara.org Tue Jun 12 11:27:53 2001 From: jeff at omnia.praeclara.org (JHS) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:36 2005 Subject: natd with 1 ethernet card Message-ID: <200106121827.f5CIQw600278@omnia.praeclara.org> I found Ben's excellent email concerning how to make natd run on OS X. It explained how to share a network connection, but I think it requires two ethernet cards (one as en0 and one as en1). IS that right? I don't/won't have 2 ethernet cards. I have an iMac with a static IP acting as a web server. And I also have a Powerbook that I want to have internet access. I had this working on Linux. I added a route, I think, and then using ifconfig, ipchains and route I was able to assign the laptop 192.169.0.2 as an IP and it would have web access, etc. So how do I do this on OS X? Is there a how-to somewhere? Thanks for the help. Jeff From gibbonsb at io.com Tue Jun 12 11:31:17 2001 From: gibbonsb at io.com (Gibbons Burke) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:36 2005 Subject: Powerbook mislaid its OS In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks! You are right - I should have paid closer attention to the dialog; or, perhaps I should have paid it no heed whatsoever. Cheers, -- Gibbons At 2:06 PM -0400 6/12/01, Aman Patel wrote: >Many people complain that they can't administer base stations in classic, >but that is not true. I only boot into OS 9 once a week to sync my m505, >but I administer many base stations via Classic in OS X. What throws most >people is that when the AirPort Admin Utility is launched in Classic, you >are presented with a dialog box that says "The required AirPort software was >not found on this computer." If you choose 'Continue' you have full >administrative access to all Base Stations on the network. I have not found >any configuration options that are unavailable, as the dialog box warns. I >have been able to do everything including upload new Firmware. Of course, >there may be a setting or two that are missing, but I haven't found any. >Hope this helps. > >Aman Patel >MARKETECH Consulting >Apple Solution Experts - Apple Product Professional > > >on 6/12/01 11:54 AM, Gibbons Burke at gibbonsb@io.com wrote: > >> Not to mention sync-ing Palm pilots, and re-configuring Airport Base >> Stations with the Airport Admin utility, or share files on old media >> (SCSI drives, Zip drives) with a legacy Mac running OS 8.0 over an >> EtherNet-bridged LocalTalk network. Also, if you want to keep your >> Classic OS 9 up to date you have to boot in OS 9 to run Software >> Update. >> >> I travel with my Airport Base Station - it is very nice to be able to >> set up the base station near the window of a hotel room and enjoy >> poolside wireless Internet bandwidth on my PowerBook, although the >> screen is sometimes difficult to see, even in the shade. But changing >> the dial-up settings requires the OS 9-only Airport Admin utility. I >> haven't had any luck with the Java-based tool. > >_______________________________________________ >MacOSX-admin mailing list >MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com >http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin From jeff at omnia.praeclara.org Tue Jun 12 11:41:23 2001 From: jeff at omnia.praeclara.org (JHS) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:36 2005 Subject: natd with 1 ethernet card In-Reply-To: <200106121827.f5CIQw600278@omnia.praeclara.org> Message-ID: <200106121840.f5CIec600346@omnia.praeclara.org> From what I've just discovered, this is a very bad idea. Looks like the ol Performa is coming out of the closet with a fresh install of linux to act as a firewall and to handle NAT stuff... On Tuesday, June 12, 2001, at 01:26 PM, JHS wrote: > I found Ben's excellent email concerning how to make natd run on OS X. > It explained how to share a network connection, but I think it requires > two ethernet cards (one as en0 and one as en1). IS that right? > > I don't/won't have 2 ethernet cards. I have an iMac with a static IP > acting as a web server. > And I also have a Powerbook that I want to have internet access. I had > this working on Linux. I added a route, I think, and then using > ifconfig, ipchains and route I was able to assign the laptop > 192.169.0.2 as an IP and it would have web access, etc. > > So how do I do this on OS X? Is there a how-to somewhere? > > Thanks for the help. > Jeff > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-admin mailing list > MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin > From joel at firstsoftware.co.uk Tue Jun 12 11:53:39 2001 From: joel at firstsoftware.co.uk (Joel Smith) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:36 2005 Subject: Moving mount points In-Reply-To: <20010612164614.5EA1E26DD5@quake.shway.com> References: <20010612164614.5EA1E26DD5@quake.shway.com> Message-ID: At 9:44 am -0700 12/6/01, Graham Orndorff wrote: >Yes, this has happened with me before -- it is really annoying. > >It is a known bug. The bug seems to be often triggered by running >StuffIt under Classic, and it happens to people whose home directory >is on a second partition. > >Here is what is going on: > >For some reason, the OS decides to unmount your partition with your >home directory. It should not be able to do that, but it does. > >Then somethign in your home directory wants to write something -- >like a preferences file. > >Since your home directory no longer exists, it creates your home >directory /Volumes/Laptev/Usesrs/blah/Library/Preferences or >whatever. It gives no error > >Meanwhile the system is trying to mount this partition that has been >unmounted. Since this /Volumes/Laptev already exists, it has to >mount it under /Volumes/Laptev 1. > >The way that I had to fix it was to boot single-user, and rename >/Volumes/Laptev to /Volumes/Laptev.bad. This will allow your other >partition to mount properly. > I can see how all of this happens, but the problem is that there is no rogue directory /Volumes/Laptev. The only directories under /Volumes are the different mounted partitions. When I unmount all of my extra partitions, the /Volumes directory is empty. Yet, when I reboot my laptop, back comes /Volumes/Laptev 1 (although it appears on the desktop as Laptev). So, it is really odd.... Cheers, Joel -- Joel Smith 22 Springfield Way Pateley Bridge Tel: +44 1423 711229 Mobile: +44 468 803758 N.Yorks HG3 5PA Fax: +44 870 1617192 From joel at firstsoftware.co.uk Tue Jun 12 11:56:57 2001 From: joel at firstsoftware.co.uk (Joel Smith) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:36 2005 Subject: Moving mount points In-Reply-To: <20010612155952.5C4D474CF@smtp-1.enteract.com> References: <20010612155952.5C4D474CF@smtp-1.enteract.com> Message-ID: At 10:59 am -0500 12/6/01, Eric Peyton wrote: >Something (any idea what) has unmounted /Volumes/Laptev and when the >autodiskmounter went to remount it, the mounter couldn't remount on >Laptev for some reason (i.e. someone else was attempting to write >there, etc.) so the autodiskmounter created a new mount point on >Laptev 1 and remounted it there. > >Did you accidentally hit Cmd-E in finder and "eject" the partition? >Have you run Classic lately or any classic apps? Which ones? > >Can you send me the contents (ls -la) of /Volumes/Laptev before >cleaning this up? Unfortunately, there is no such directory... ls -la of /Volumes: drwxrwxrwt 5 root wheel 126 Jun 12 15:57 . drwxrwxr-t 49 root admin 1622 Jun 12 16:42 .. drwxrwxrwx 60 joel unknown 1996 Jun 12 15:24 Laptev 1 drwxrwxrwx 16 joel unknown 500 Jun 12 10:06 Okhotsk drwxrwxrwx 19 joel unknown 602 Jun 12 10:06 Tasman There is no /Volumes/Laptev (the ls was done as root) > >To fix this ... > >remove the /Volumes/Laptev directory. Make sure it is gone. >reboot. > I can't delete what isn't there..... >The autodiskmounter should try to remount on Laptev, see that it is >okay to do so and remount in the correct place. > Alas, no... -- Joel Smith 22 Springfield Way Pateley Bridge Tel: +44 1423 711229 Mobile: +44 468 803758 N.Yorks HG3 5PA Fax: +44 870 1617192 From jeff at omnia.praeclara.org Tue Jun 12 12:00:11 2001 From: jeff at omnia.praeclara.org (JHS) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:37 2005 Subject: security issues Message-ID: <200106121859.f5CIxJ600419@omnia.praeclara.org> The following is a short exerpt from a conversation I just had with a Unix networking expert after I found some weird entries in my apache access_log. I'm sending it in the hope that it will make people aware that there are lots and lots of script kiddies and other folks who would happily take over your computer if they could. Hi Steve, I found this in my apache access_log: 64.221.120.254 - - [01/Jun/2001:01:57:57 -0500] "GET /scripts/..%c0%af..%c0%af.. %c0%af..%c0%af..%c0%af..%c0%af..%c0%af..%c0%af/winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c%20dir" 404 - >Someone's doing an NT web server hack on you. 'cmd.exe' is the >NT/win2k command prompt. >Not likely to work, but they'll prolly keep trying, sorry to say. >I'd route ban 'em. Weird that we both have had web server hackers >here lately. -------------------- During the past month, more than 200 separate IP's have tried (and failed) to gain unauthorized access to my OS X machine, according to portsentry and my now-swollen ipfw ruleset. So I would remind folks that using something like portsentry, tripwire, and a good firewall ruleset plus tcpwrappers is pretty important if you have a 24/7/365 internet connection. Even if OS X has proven to be pretty secure out of the box. Jeff From chandler at nrlssc.navy.mil Tue Jun 12 12:33:55 2001 From: chandler at nrlssc.navy.mil (Howard Chandler) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:37 2005 Subject: cygwin kind of thing for carbon/cocoa Message-ID: Does anyone know?.... Is there anyone working on a cygwin like interface lib to build UNIX/X windows stuff as carbon and/or cocoa applications? Thanks, Howard Chandler -- From lance at mac.com Tue Jun 12 12:46:04 2001 From: lance at mac.com (Lance M. Westerhoff) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:37 2005 Subject: cygwin kind of thing for carbon/cocoa In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 2:31 PM -0500 6/12/01, Howard Chandler wrote: >Does anyone know?.... > >Is there anyone working on a cygwin like interface lib to build UNIX/X windows >stuff as carbon and/or cocoa applications? > According to Anita at Tenon, XTools should allow the developer to do just that (though I have no idea how far along they are). I haven't tried it yet, so I can't comment on whether it does a good job or not, but here is what she said on the SciTech list in January: At 5:21 PM -0800 1/24/01, Anita Holmgren wrote: > >Our model is NOT that a vendor would include Xtools with their >product, but rather that we would offer the vendor an X development >kit: all the needed libraries and an Aqua application framework to >accelerate their porting efforts. They could use the development >kit to create a clickable Aqua/Cocoa app. No Xtools required for >the resultant ported app! > >If anyone has any ideas about the best way to accomplish this (from >a business standpoint), I would be happy to hear what they think. > >-Anita >-- >Tenon Intersystems 805-963-6983 >1123 Chapala Street anita@tenon.com >Santa Barbara, CA 93101 http://www.tenon.com lance -- _____________________ Lance M. Westerhoff PennState Chemistry Graduate Researcher & UNIX Systems Administrator - Merz Computational Biochemistry Research Group Phone: 814-863-7591 Email: lance@mac.com Web: http://merz.chem.psu.edu/~lance/ **************************************************** MacOSX: Combining the power of UNIX and the openness of Linux with the ease of use and broad applications base of Macintosh. http://www.apple.com/macosx/ **************************************************** From jeevanpatil at hotmail.com Tue Jun 12 12:55:22 2001 From: jeevanpatil at hotmail.com (Jeevan Patil) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:37 2005 Subject: macosx get leasetime and dhcpserver IP Message-ID: <3B267376.D0B96F93@hotmail.com> Thanks Justin, That was perfect! Regards, Jeevan From stevechang31 at yahoo.com Tue Jun 12 12:57:54 2001 From: stevechang31 at yahoo.com (steve chang) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:37 2005 Subject: security issues In-Reply-To: <200106121859.f5CIxJ600419@omnia.praeclara.org> Message-ID: <20010612195750.45617.qmail@web11404.mail.yahoo.com> --- JHS wrote: > I found this in my apache access_log: > > 64.221.120.254 - - [01/Jun/2001:01:57:57 -0500] "GET > /scripts/..%c0%af..%c0%af.. > %c0%af..%c0%af..%c0%af..%c0%af..%c0%af..%c0%af/winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c%20dir" > 404 - > > >Someone's doing an NT web server hack on you. > 'cmd.exe' is the > >NT/win2k command prompt. > >Not likely to work, but they'll prolly keep > trying, sorry to say. > >I'd route ban 'em. Weird that we both have had web > server hackers > >here lately. > -------------------- Yeah, I have 3 such entries. In fact, one has the same IP as you show above: 64.221.120.254 Here's the other IP people might want to block: 24.18.109.125 I also have a lot of entries like this: 61.154.70.8 - - [09/Jun/2001:13:53:17 -0400] "GET http://www.yahoo.com/ HTTP/1.0" 200 1358 why would there be a GET for the yahoo address? Does this represent a bad DNS lookup or something? and a lot of these: 212.34.211.79 - - [17/May/2001:06:53:35 -0400] "GET http://www.tauma.com/hunter.htm HTTP/1.1" 404 298 -Steve > Jeff __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From justin at mac.com Tue Jun 12 13:04:18 2001 From: justin at mac.com (Justin C. Walker) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:37 2005 Subject: natd with 1 ethernet card In-Reply-To: <200106121827.f5CIQw600278@omnia.praeclara.org> Message-ID: <200106122010.NAA16745@mail.nexsi.com> Here's a script I use to act as a 1-armed router/nat box: #set up an alias for the local lan on the built-in ethernet ifconfig en0 192.168.250.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 alias up # turn on forwarding sysctl -w net.inet.ip.forwarding=1 # Add a firewall rule to enable NAT ipfw add divert natd all from any to any via en0 # and start nat - it will translate between the two subnets # (192.168.250 and pub.lic.net) natd -n en0 There's nothing wrong with acting as a router between a public net and a private net on the same cable (other than the usual issues of security, of course :-}). You can use the firewall capability to further restrict access to your 'private' net. Regards, Justin On Tuesday, June 12, 2001, at 11:26 AM, JHS wrote: > I found Ben's excellent email concerning how to make natd run on OS X. > It explained how to share a network connection, but I think it requires > two ethernet cards (one as en0 and one as en1). IS that right? > > I don't/won't have 2 ethernet cards. I have an iMac with a static IP > acting as a web server. > And I also have a Powerbook that I want to have internet access. I had > this working on Linux. I added a route, I think, and then using > ifconfig, ipchains and route I was able to assign the laptop > 192.169.0.2 as an IP and it would have web access, etc. > > So how do I do this on OS X? Is there a how-to somewhere? > > Thanks for the help. > Jeff > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-admin mailing list > MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin > Justin C. Walker, Curmudgeon-At-Large * Institute for General Semantics | Director of Technology | Her profession's her religion Nexsi Corp. | Her sin is her lifelessness. 1959 Concourse Drive | San Jose, CA 95131 | *---------------------------------------*-------------------------------* From jeff at omnia.praeclara.org Tue Jun 12 13:18:17 2001 From: jeff at omnia.praeclara.org (JHS) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:37 2005 Subject: natd with 1 ethernet card In-Reply-To: <200106122010.NAA16745@mail.nexsi.com> Message-ID: <200106122017.f5CKHL600763@omnia.praeclara.org> On Tuesday, June 12, 2001, at 03:00 PM, Justin C. Walker wrote: > Here's a script I use to act as a 1-armed router/nat box: > > #set up an alias for the local lan on the built-in ethernet > ifconfig en0 192.168.250.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 alias up I think when I did it on linux I used: ifconfig eth0:1 192.168.0.1 Does that ifconfig command you mentioned accomplish the same thing? I think I'm still going to set up a linux or maybe a bsd box to do firewalling without aliasing. But I'd to learn more about this... Thanks Justin. Jeff > > # turn on forwarding > sysctl -w net.inet.ip.forwarding=1 > > # Add a firewall rule to enable NAT > ipfw add divert natd all from any to any via en0 > > # and start nat - it will translate between the two subnets > # (192.168.250 and pub.lic.net) > natd -n en0 > > There's nothing wrong with acting as a router between a public net and > a private net on the same cable (other than the usual issues of > security, of course :-}). You can use the firewall capability to > further restrict access to your 'private' net. > > Regards, > > Justin > > On Tuesday, June 12, 2001, at 11:26 AM, JHS wrote: > >> I found Ben's excellent email concerning how to make natd run on OS X. >> It explained how to share a network connection, but I think it >> requires two ethernet cards (one as en0 and one as en1). IS that >> right? >> >> I don't/won't have 2 ethernet cards. I have an iMac with a static IP >> acting as a web server. >> And I also have a Powerbook that I want to have internet access. I >> had this working on Linux. I added a route, I think, and then using >> ifconfig, ipchains and route I was able to assign the laptop >> 192.169.0.2 as an IP and it would have web access, etc. >> >> So how do I do this on OS X? Is there a how-to somewhere? >> >> Thanks for the help. >> Jeff >> _______________________________________________ >> MacOSX-admin mailing list >> MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com >> http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin >> > > Justin C. Walker, Curmudgeon-At-Large * > Institute for General Semantics | > Director of Technology | Her profession's her religion > Nexsi Corp. | Her sin is her lifelessness. > 1959 Concourse Drive | > San Jose, CA 95131 | > *---------------------------------------*-------------------------------* > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-admin mailing list > MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin > From russ.tremain at sun.com Tue Jun 12 13:46:46 2001 From: russ.tremain at sun.com (Russ Tremain) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:37 2005 Subject: Powerbook mislaid its OS In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: There is an "AirPort Admin Library" that comes with the AirPort Admin Utility, but only seems to only be on the Airport CD. I haven't seen it on the apple web site, and it is not part of the airport 1.3.1 update. However, the 1.3 library seems to work fine with the 1.3.1 update. If you install this in the same folder as AirPort Admin Utility, you won't get the "...not found.." error, at least under OS9. I haven't tried it under classic yet. -Russ Tremain At 11:06 AM -0700 6/12/01, Aman Patel wrote: >Many people complain that they can't administer base stations in classic, >but that is not true. I only boot into OS 9 once a week to sync my m505, >but I administer many base stations via Classic in OS X. What throws most >people is that when the AirPort Admin Utility is launched in Classic, you >are presented with a dialog box that says "The required AirPort software was >not found on this computer." If you choose 'Continue' you have full >administrative access to all Base Stations on the network. I have not found >any configuration options that are unavailable, as the dialog box warns. I >have been able to do everything including upload new Firmware. Of course, >there may be a setting or two that are missing, but I haven't found any. >Hope this helps. > >Aman Patel >MARKETECH Consulting >Apple Solution Experts - Apple Product Professional > > >on 6/12/01 11:54 AM, Gibbons Burke at gibbonsb@io.com wrote: > >> Not to mention sync-ing Palm pilots, and re-configuring Airport Base >> Stations with the Airport Admin utility, or share files on old media >> (SCSI drives, Zip drives) with a legacy Mac running OS 8.0 over an >> EtherNet-bridged LocalTalk network. Also, if you want to keep your >> Classic OS 9 up to date you have to boot in OS 9 to run Software >> Update. >> >> I travel with my Airport Base Station - it is very nice to be able to >> set up the base station near the window of a hotel room and enjoy >> poolside wireless Internet bandwidth on my PowerBook, although the >> screen is sometimes difficult to see, even in the shade. But changing >> the dial-up settings requires the OS 9-only Airport Admin utility. I >> haven't had any luck with the Java-based tool. > >_______________________________________________ >MacOSX-admin mailing list >MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com >http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin From justin at mac.com Tue Jun 12 13:47:11 2001 From: justin at mac.com (Justin C. Walker) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:37 2005 Subject: natd with 1 ethernet card In-Reply-To: <200106122017.f5CKHL600763@omnia.praeclara.org> Message-ID: <200106122053.NAA17533@mail.nexsi.com> On Tuesday, June 12, 2001, at 01:17 PM, JHS wrote: > > On Tuesday, June 12, 2001, at 03:00 PM, Justin C. Walker wrote: > >> Here's a script I use to act as a 1-armed router/nat box: >> >> #set up an alias for the local lan on the built-in ethernet >> ifconfig en0 192.168.250.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 alias up > > I think when I did it on linux I used: > ifconfig eth0:1 192.168.0.1 > > Does that ifconfig command you mentioned accomplish the same thing? Forget what you know about Linux regarding networking. Things are different here (much closer to *BSD). Aliasing assigns multiple addresses to a single interface, rather than creating "sub-interfaces" (like eth0:1). The 'ifconfig' command as I gave it is the proper way to do it on Darwin (or on other BSD systems, AFAIK). The only minor trick is to track existing subnets. In my case, the 'private' and 'public' addresses were on completely different subnets. If you want to add an alias that is on the same subnet as an existing address (e.g., 192.168.250.2, in the above case), you would use a netmask of '255.255.255.255', rather than the "proper" netmask, as used on the original 'ifconfig'. > I think I'm still going to set up a linux or maybe a bsd box to do > firewalling without aliasing. > But I'd to learn more about this... You could certainly do this, but you may achieve close to the same results using firewalls on Mac OS X. I'm not a firewall expert, so I can't comment on the merits of the 1-armed nat vs. the "bastion firewall" approaches. Regards, Justin Justin C. Walker, Curmudgeon-At-Large * Institute for General Semantics | Director of Technology | When lutefisk is outlawed Nexsi Corp. | Only outlaws will have lutefisk 1959 Concourse Drive | San Jose, CA 95131 | *-------------------------------------*-------------------------------* From justin at mac.com Tue Jun 12 14:05:12 2001 From: justin at mac.com (Justin C. Walker) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:37 2005 Subject: monitor network traffic In-Reply-To: <200106111608.f5BG8AZ21788@inje.iskon.hr> Message-ID: <200106122111.OAA17923@mail.nexsi.com> You can use 'tcpdump', as mentioned in an earlier posting. Use '-n' to see IP addresses instead of resolved names (which may speed things up, if the addresses aren't resolvable). In addition, 'netstat -f inet' just gets you the tcp listings. I'd look at something like 'netstat -tan', which will show you all network (and local) sockets in use. To see what endpoints are currently open, you can use 'lsof'. As root, it will show you the open network sockets for all programs running on your system. Finally, there's no good way to track, dynamically, which entities are generating packets. Some of the packets could be generated in the kernel. If, for example, someone is "flood pinging" your host, your kernel will respond with a large number of reply packets directly. A combination of the above will help in narrowing down the source of your packet bursts. Regards, Justin On Monday, June 11, 2001, at 09:08 AM, Zsolt Magyar wrote: > Dear All, > > This might sound trivial but pls help me if you can. > > I installed some utilities which show me the network traffic through my > ethernet interface. Sometimes the traffic goes mad even if I don't do > anything special on the machine. With netstat -f inet I see nothing > special the only external connection is our in-house file server. > > Is there any way to see what is generating the traffic? > > Tx, > > Zsolt > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-admin mailing list > MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin > Justin C. Walker, Curmudgeon-At-Large * Institute for General Semantics | Director of Technology | It's not whether you win Nexsi Corp. | or lose... 1959 Concourse Drive | It's whether *I* win or lose. San Jose, CA 95131 | *---------------------------------------*-------------------------------* From gibbonsb at io.com Tue Jun 12 14:33:06 2001 From: gibbonsb at io.com (Gibbons Burke) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:38 2005 Subject: Powerbook mislaid its OS In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I've never seen the warning dialog when running Airport Admin Utility (ver 1.3.1) in the OS 9.1 boot; it has appeared exclusively in Classic. But, as you suggest, when I put the Airport Admin Library (version 1.1 - from an older CD) file in the directory with the Admin Utility and run it, in Classic, I no longer get the dialog. I'm inclined however, not to leave it installed, and live with the warning. If the Admin Utility works fine without it (and it was not installed with the clean OS 9.1 install nor the Software Updates) chances are the required routines in the older Library have been incorporated into the Utility application itself. In that case the warning is vestigial, like the human appendix, from a time when the Utility depended on the Library being there. It is possible that the older Library may have some less robust or conflicting code in it that could play havoc with the newer version of the Utility. Chances are the Utility would never call the Library's routines, but why tempt fate? I'll live with the goofy dialog, unless someone knows of a good reason why I shouldn't. -- Gibbons At 1:46 PM -0700 6/12/01, Russ Tremain wrote: >There is an "AirPort Admin Library" that comes with the AirPort Admin Utility, >but only seems to only be on the Airport CD. I haven't seen it on >the apple web site, and it is not part of the airport 1.3.1 update. >However, the 1.3 library seems to work fine with the 1.3.1 update. > >If you install this in the same folder as AirPort Admin Utility, you won't get >the "...not found.." error, at least under OS9. I haven't tried it >under classic yet. > >-Russ Tremain > > >At 11:06 AM -0700 6/12/01, Aman Patel wrote: >>Many people complain that they can't administer base stations in classic, >>but that is not true. I only boot into OS 9 once a week to sync my m505, >>but I administer many base stations via Classic in OS X. What throws most >>people is that when the AirPort Admin Utility is launched in Classic, you >>are presented with a dialog box that says "The required AirPort software was >>not found on this computer." If you choose 'Continue' you have full >>administrative access to all Base Stations on the network. I have not found >>any configuration options that are unavailable, as the dialog box warns. I >>have been able to do everything including upload new Firmware. Of course, >>there may be a setting or two that are missing, but I haven't found any. >>Hope this helps. >> >>Aman Patel >>MARKETECH Consulting >>Apple Solution Experts - Apple Product Professional >> >> >>on 6/12/01 11:54 AM, Gibbons Burke at gibbonsb@io.com wrote: >> >>> Not to mention sync-ing Palm pilots, and re-configuring Airport Base >>> Stations with the Airport Admin utility, or share files on old media >>> (SCSI drives, Zip drives) with a legacy Mac running OS 8.0 over an >>> EtherNet-bridged LocalTalk network. Also, if you want to keep your >>> Classic OS 9 up to date you have to boot in OS 9 to run Software >>> Update. >>> >>> I travel with my Airport Base Station - it is very nice to be able to >>> set up the base station near the window of a hotel room and enjoy >>> poolside wireless Internet bandwidth on my PowerBook, although the >>> screen is sometimes difficult to see, even in the shade. But changing >>> the dial-up settings requires the OS 9-only Airport Admin utility. I >>> haven't had any luck with the Java-based tool. >> >>_______________________________________________ >>MacOSX-admin mailing list >>MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com >>http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin > > > >_______________________________________________ >MacOSX-admin mailing list >MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com >http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin -- Gibbons Burke Grey-eyed Athena sent them a favorable breeze, gibbonsb@io.com a fresh west wind, singing over the wine-dark sea. http://www.io.com/gibbonsb/ [Homer, The Odyssey, II, l.420.] From nigel at cofa.unsw.edu.au Tue Jun 12 14:45:53 2001 From: nigel at cofa.unsw.edu.au (Nigel Kersten) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:38 2005 Subject: monitor network traffic In-Reply-To: <200106122111.OAA17923@mail.nexsi.com> References: <200106122111.OAA17923@mail.nexsi.com> Message-ID: I haven't tried it under OS X yet, but under linux I use 'ntop' to monitor traffic through my home gateway. Works like a charm... nigel >You can use 'tcpdump', as mentioned in an earlier posting. Use '-n' to see IP addresses instead of resolved names (which may speed things up, if the addresses aren't resolvable). > >In addition, 'netstat -f inet' just gets you the tcp listings. I'd look at something like 'netstat -tan', which will show you all network (and local) sockets in use. > >To see what endpoints are currently open, you can use 'lsof'. As root, it will show you the open network sockets for all programs running on your system. > >Finally, there's no good way to track, dynamically, which entities are generating packets. Some of the packets could be generated in the kernel. If, for example, someone is "flood pinging" your host, your kernel will respond with a large number of reply packets directly. > >A combination of the above will help in narrowing down the source of your packet bursts. > >Regards, > >Justin > >On Monday, June 11, 2001, at 09:08 AM, Zsolt Magyar wrote: > >> Dear All, >> >> This might sound trivial but pls help me if you can. >> >> I installed some utilities which show me the network traffic through my ethernet interface. Sometimes the traffic goes mad even if I don't do anything special on the machine. With netstat -f inet I see nothing special the only external connection is our in-house file server. >> >> Is there any way to see what is generating the traffic? >> >> Tx, >> >> Zsolt >> _______________________________________________ >> MacOSX-admin mailing list >> MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com >> http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin >> > >Justin C. Walker, Curmudgeon-At-Large * >Institute for General Semantics | >Director of Technology | It's not whether you win >Nexsi Corp. | or lose... >1959 Concourse Drive | It's whether *I* win or lose. >San Jose, CA 95131 | >*---------------------------------------*-------------------------------* >_______________________________________________ >MacOSX-admin mailing list >MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com >http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin -- # N i g e l K e r s t e n Systems Administrator ph.9385 0672:fax.9385 0624 College of Fine Arts, Uni of NSW,Sydney,Australia From joel at firstsoftware.co.uk Tue Jun 12 15:59:03 2001 From: joel at firstsoftware.co.uk (Joel Smith) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:38 2005 Subject: HFS+ or UFS? In-Reply-To: <20010605162619.CXL26258.femail9.sdc1.sfba.home.com@Galedin> References: <20010605162619.CXL26258.femail9.sdc1.sfba.home.com@Galedin> Message-ID: At 12:26 pm -0400 5/6/01, Paul wrote: >As I understand it, case insensitivity is built in to the servers >and the clients. Everything is reduced to lower case for use. >www.irs.gov = www.Irs.goV = ... etc. Unfortunately, this is false (or at least a red herring). The DNS protocol is case insensitive, and is defined as such in the RFCs. Thus www.foo.bar is identical to WWW.FoO.Bar. However, once you start referring to the files on the particular host, then the case sensitivity will depend upon the features of the relevant OS. On a unix box, the individual files are very definitely case sensitive (which can cause problems when extensions such as .png get mapped to .PNG by certain apps). So under unix, http://www.foo.bar/example.PNG is not equivalent to http://www.foo.bar/example.png. Cheers, Joel -- Joel Smith 22 Springfield Way Pateley Bridge Tel: +44 1423 711229 Mobile: +44 468 803758 N.Yorks HG3 5PA Fax: +44 870 1617192 From campbell at world.std.com Tue Jun 12 16:07:02 2001 From: campbell at world.std.com (Larry Campbell) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:38 2005 Subject: cygwin kind of thing for carbon/cocoa In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200106122306.TAA29828@world.std.com> Do you mean GNUStep? (www.gnustep.org) On Tuesday, June 12, 2001, at 03:31 PM, Howard Chandler wrote: > Does anyone know?.... > > Is there anyone working on a cygwin like interface lib to build UNIX/X > windows > stuff as carbon and/or cocoa applications? > > Thanks, > Howard Chandler > -- _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-dev mailing list > MacOSX-dev@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-dev > From joel at firstsoftware.co.uk Tue Jun 12 16:09:18 2001 From: joel at firstsoftware.co.uk (Joel Smith) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:38 2005 Subject: HFS+ and UFS composite Message-ID: Wanting a UFS partition for compiling unix source code, but not wanting to go through the problems of backing up my drive, repartitioning it to get the final partition UFS, and then probably having to restore everything on all the partitions again (even though I feel sure that I should logically be able to mess with one partition, without affecting the other ones, I'm not going to try it), I tried an experiment. I unmounted my final partition, and then ran newfs on it. This went ahead and created a new file system on it. I rebooted, and so far, so good, my mac came back up with no complaints. The new filesystem wasn't visible from /Volumes, as it wasn't automounted (do UFS drives get automounted normallY?). But all the others were there OK. When I manually mounted it, it mounted fine, and I could copy files to it, and I even checked that the filesystem was case sensitive. So far, so UFS. However, interestingly, according to Disk Utility, the file system is a damaged HFS+ system, in need of repair. Not surprising, I guess, as I trollied the file system, without changing the partition flags. Still, it appears to have saved me from having to do a restore of all the other partitions (yes, I did back them up before I started playing!) My question is, since I want to mount this drive up at a particular point in the hierarchy (/usr/local seems a sensible place), does any of this matter? It seems to perform OK. Also, what is going to happen with regard to backing it up? Is it going to cause even more problems, or would the Unix tools ignore any HFS+ flags on it anyway? Any thoughts? Cheers, Joel -- Joel Smith 22 Springfield Way Pateley Bridge Tel: +44 1423 711229 Mobile: +44 468 803758 N.Yorks HG3 5PA Fax: +44 870 1617192 From lists at colorremedies.com Tue Jun 12 16:31:40 2001 From: lists at colorremedies.com (Chris Murphy) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:38 2005 Subject: OSX Server Desktop G3 Message-ID: <200106122331.QAA10274@albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net> -Morten writes: >I'm upgrading from OSX PB to OSX Server on an old desktop G3 (gossamer). Did you wipe the drive or are you trying to upgrade over an existing OS X pb install? I really don't think it's a supported upgrade to install over pb with OS X Server. Apple didn't say not to do it with OS X, but I know people who have had problems (including myself). Wipe the drive and start fresh. If you have done this already - then I would try it again and see if it still happens. Chris Murphy Color Remedies (tm) Boulder, CO 303-415-9932 From lists at colorremedies.com Tue Jun 12 16:33:39 2001 From: lists at colorremedies.com (Chris Murphy) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:38 2005 Subject: Fax? Message-ID: <200106122333.QAA07046@harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net> Christoph.Ewering@mediaways.net writes: >I wonder if there is a solution for faxing with MacOS X. Not yet. Glenwarne Limited is working on an OS X version of FaxElite, who apparently have a very nice fax application worth serious consideration. SmithMicro's web page still indicates they expect to have one by the end of this month (FaxSTF for OS X). Chris Murphy Color Remedies (tm) Boulder, CO 303-415-9932 From lists at colorremedies.com Tue Jun 12 16:36:14 2001 From: lists at colorremedies.com (Chris Murphy) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:38 2005 Subject: OSX Server Desktop G3 Message-ID: <200106122335.QAA06665@falcon.mail.pas.earthlink.net> Morten writes: >Oh, I don't know about that. The server updated perfectly, only requiring >roughly 3 hours for the last stage :-) >Now works like a charm again! No you only think it updated perfectly. I wouldn't trust it. And when you have problems with this machine in the future, don't be surprised if the recommendations from the list suggestion that you first wipe your boot volume and reinstall OS X Server from scratch. Chris Murphy Color Remedies (tm) Boulder, CO 303-415-9932 From ehk20 at cus.cam.ac.uk Tue Jun 12 16:42:26 2001 From: ehk20 at cus.cam.ac.uk (Espen H. Koht) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:38 2005 Subject: HFS+ or UFS? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 12 Jun 2001, Joel Smith wrote: > On a unix box, the individual files are very definitely case > sensitive (which can cause problems when extensions such as .png get > mapped to .PNG by certain apps). > > So under unix, http://www.foo.bar/example.PNG is not equivalent to > http://www.foo.bar/example.png. That's an over-simplification. A unix machine may or may not be using a case-sensitive file system, which is what in practice will determine the validity of the above example; rather than the OS. Espen From russ.tremain at sun.com Tue Jun 12 17:36:05 2001 From: russ.tremain at sun.com (Russ Tremain) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:23:38 2005 Subject: Powerbook mislaid its OS In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I got the warning when running under OS9 on a G4 that did not have an Airport card installed. The library may have stubs in it to fake out the calls to init t