From marcel at bresink.de Sun Apr 1 04:45:47 2001 From: marcel at bresink.de (Marcel Bresink) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:34 2005 Subject: AppleShare volumes not under Network. Why not? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200104011144.NAA31344@mayim.bresink.net> > I understand (or think I understand :-) that "Network" is primarily for > NFS mounted remote directories etc. This all works nice (well at least > it did in OS X Server 1.0, I haven't gotten around to installing Webmin > to try it on OS X as yet). > > My problem is that NFS mounts seem to be treated differently than > AppleShare volumes which seem to only appear on the desktop. Wouldn't > it be more consistent if they appeared under Network as well (and as > well as on the Desktop)? There are two different things to consider here: A network mount is displayed in "/Network" if it is automounted, it appears at its mount point when it is statically mounted. OS X differentiates between the two cases by looking whether the "net" option has been specified for the mount entry: All "net" mounts will be handled by automount, all other entries are handled by "mount -a" at boot time. So the administrator can easily control what mounts appear where and there can be good reason to not display a mount under "Network". The other thing is that AppleShare AFP mounts really behave different than NFS mounts and it could be considered user-friendly to make that difference clear in the user interface. NFS mounts are "real" client/server connections: Server and client have to share a common security model for users and groups, so the mount itself can be done anonymously, the server has always control on individual file permissions. This way it is possible to do NFS mounts before the actual login, which enables you to put home directories on NFS servers. When using an AFP mount, you also have client and server but on the permission level the connection is handled on a peer-to-peer basis: The mount has to be done by the _user_ and there is an explicit authorization for each connection. You could say each mount is "owned" by the account that was used for the AFP connection. This account needs _not_ to be known on the client side. The server will map the "mount owner" to the client's login account. So an AFP mount behaves like a removable disk. It's only consequent to handle it this way in the Finder. Marcel -- Dr. Marcel Bresink, Ringstr. 21, 56630 Kretz, Germany Fon: +49-2632-953150 Fax: -953151 http://www.bresink.de/ From Frank.Knobloch at inis.de Sun Apr 1 05:54:55 2001 From: Frank.Knobloch at inis.de (Frank Knobloch) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:34 2005 Subject: =?windows-1252?Q?How_to_get_=98_in_Terminal.app=3F?= Message-ID: With regards F r a n k K n o b l o c h I N I S GmbH - Moving your order - Friedrich-Ebert-Str.78 D-34119 Kassel Tel.: +49-561-788090 Mail: Frank.Knobloch@inis.de From Frank.Knobloch at inis.de Sun Apr 1 06:07:00 2001 From: Frank.Knobloch at inis.de (Frank Knobloch) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:34 2005 Subject: How to get Worldicons for /Network/Applications... Message-ID: Dear all, on the screenshots at Apple, we saw, that /Network/Applications and /Network/Library has the same Worldicons than severs. How can we do this. We acutally link /Network/Applications to a path from a NFS Server, but what must be done else? Regards, Frank From david at idiomatrix.com Sun Apr 1 06:44:29 2001 From: david at idiomatrix.com (David Herren) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:34 2005 Subject: OSXS1.2, NetinfoManager killed by signal 11 Message-ID: For some reason I am no longer able to launch Netinfomanager on OSXS1.2. The only thing that has changed to the best of recollection is that I configured an OSX 4K78 box to bind to it at boot, though that machine's MAC address and information was already in the netinfo master database on the OSXS1.2 box. Suggestions? /david -- david herren | In an Internet without walls, shoreham, vt | who needs Windows or Gates? From david at idiomatrix.com Sun Apr 1 07:15:41 2001 From: david at idiomatrix.com (David Herren) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:34 2005 Subject: permissions questions Message-ID: I feel like a complete idiot... OSXS1.2 box, netinfo master, webserver, NFS exports /Local/Library/WebServer/Documents to the subnet OSX box binds to the domain and mounts the export to /Network/Library/WebServer/Documents permissions on the directory are 775, as well as most html files user:group on directory and most files is root:webpage_authors On the client OSX box I've created the webpage_authors group with the same gid as on the server I am logging into the client box (a laptop) using a local account that is also in the webpage_authors group (which I added to the local domain with the same gid as on the server This is where my NFS knowledge completely breaks down. Why can't I edit html files on the client OSX box? What do I have to configure to make this possible? Do I absolutely have to log into the client box with a domain account? (which I can do, of course, and which then lets me edit the files) . Can I add this local account to the domain somehow? /david -- david herren | In an Internet without walls, shoreham, vt | who needs Windows or Gates? From peter at kiil.net Sun Apr 1 09:18:35 2001 From: peter at kiil.net (Peter Kiil) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:34 2005 Subject: Screensavers not working! In-Reply-To: <200103311929.f2VJToN39824@mail.enteract.com> Message-ID: > Okay - you are > > 1) not on the right list, try the osx-dev list > 2) not providing anyone with enough information to even think > about coming close to thinking about a solution to your problem. > > a) What hardware? > b) what screensaver? > c) Multiple Monitors? > d) external on a powerbook? > e) OpenGL or non-OpenGL? > > 3) Is this a screensaver you developed (i.e. you probably screwed > something up) or one someone else developed (i.e. they probably > screwed something up) or one of Apple's (i.e. Apple probably > screwed something up). > > Pick the right list, (i.e. NOT macosx-admin which could care less > about your screen saver not running) and ask a far more in depth > question and maybe, just maybe, someone there can help you. > > Eric > > On Saturday, March 31, 2001, at 01:22 PM, Peter Kiil wrote: > >> My OSX screensavers isn't working properly! Selcting a screensaver >> works ok, >> but when activated i get this ugly colorscheme! Whats up? >> >> /pete >> -- >> "Where's my burrito?" -- Homer >> >> _______________________________________________ >> MacOSX-admin mailing list >> MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com >> http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin Thank you dork! /peter -- "ALL YOUR INNOVATIONS ARE BELONG TO US." -- Bill Gates ( to Steve Jobs after demoing MS-Windows XP ) From lre at mendota.com Sun Apr 1 09:38:33 2001 From: lre at mendota.com (Louis R. Eagle) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:34 2005 Subject: Dev tools install problems Message-ID: <200104011638.AA00626@latte.mendota.com> I'm baffled. I have been unable to get either RC1 or the final developer tools to install properly either as a user in the admin group or as root on either a UFS or HSF+ root partition. Upgrades or clean installs, makes no difference. HW is a G4/400. I've seen threads indicating that i'm not the only one, but few enough to presume this is not a common problem. No help on the Apple support site. The symptoms are: When installing as a user in the admin group, pax reports a pile of permission errors mainly around /usr and below (ps shows pax is run as the user, not as su root). When installing as root, pax seems to run ok, and all the files in the BOM are written, but the installer never gets past the "writing files - under a minute to go" point. I've then run the post install scripts by hand, guessing at the arguments, but this hardly seems like the optimal situation. Anyone seen and solved this problem? Thanks, Louis From marcel at bresink.de Sun Apr 1 09:44:26 2001 From: marcel at bresink.de (Marcel Bresink) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:34 2005 Subject: mounts and fstab (was: lost home icons) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200104011643.SAA03980@mayim.bresink.net> erik wrote: > /etc/fstab > containig the following line: > /dev/disk0s12 /Users hfs rw 1 2 > > see the file /etc/fstab.hd for how to write it. you can get the > disk/partition device-"code" with issueing the "df" command in shell. > > this will mount the local disk/partition at the directory /Users very > early in startup process, before autodiskmount (in the Disks > StartupItem) mounts it to the default at /Volumes/Users. At first I couldn't believe that, because this should actually NOT work. ;-) But you are right, Mac OS X 10.0 really respects entries in /etc/fstab. This is completely different from all earlier versions of OSX and it's not consistent with documentation: The OS should read its mount entries from NetInfo, /etc/fstab should be consulted only if you enable flat file lookups via lookupd's FFAgent. When you send an "allMounts" query to lookupd it behaves "correctly", the fstab entries are ignored. Also, when I make getfsent() calls, fstab entries still are not seen. But nevertheless, the mount is actually done at boot time, in fact it's even done twice: One autodiskmount entry in /Volumes, and an additional mount according to fstab. Does anybody know what's going on here? Is this a bug or a feature? Marcel -- Dr. Marcel Bresink, Ringstr. 21, 56630 Kretz, Germany Fon: +49-2632-953150 Fax: -953151 http://www.bresink.de/ From techabos at classlibrary.net Sun Apr 1 11:32:49 2001 From: techabos at classlibrary.net (erik) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:34 2005 Subject: mounts and fstab (was: lost home icons) In-Reply-To: <200104011643.SAA03980@mayim.bresink.net> References: <200104011643.SAA03980@mayim.bresink.net> Message-ID: Marcel, At 18:43 Uhr +0200 01.04.2001, Marcel Bresink wrote in "mounts and fstab (was: lost home icons)": >At first I couldn't believe that, because this should actually >NOT work. ;-) But you are right, Mac OS X 10.0 really respects >entries in /etc/fstab. > >This is completely different from all earlier versions of >OSX and it's not consistent with documentation: The OS should >read its mount entries from NetInfo, /etc/fstab should be consulted >only if you enable flat file lookups via lookupd's FFAgent. Somewhere it was mentioned that the netinfo server is started very late in the startup process (after autodiskmount?) and because of this it makes only sense to put nfs mounts there. >When you send an "allMounts" query to lookupd it behaves "correctly", >the fstab entries are ignored. Also, when I make getfsent() calls, >fstab entries still are not seen. But nevertheless, the mount is >actually done at boot time, in fact it's even done twice: One >autodiskmount entry in /Volumes, and an additional mount according >to fstab. autodiskmount ignores already mounted volumes. this is the output "autodiskmount -v": DiskDev Type FileSys Fixed Write Volume Name Mounted On disk0s8 ??? hfs yes yes System / disk0s9 ??? hfs yes yes Applications /Volumes/Applications disk0s10 ??? hfs yes yes Archiv /Volumes/Archiv disk0s11 ??? hfs yes yes Code /Volumes/Code disk0s12 ??? hfs yes yes Users /Users don't blame me for all this partitions, it's from os9 / PB times :) autodiskmount doesn't mount the /Users partition twice. from the bsd layer perspective (spoken as a user), the behaviour seems to be perfect. I only got some hard crashes of the Finder und System Preferences before modifying all access privileges. >Does anybody know what's going on here? Is this a bug or a feature? i really hope it's a feature and the Finder UI is improved to e.g. ignore showing volumes not mounted by autodiskmount on the desktop. -- erik From peterf at semiotx.com Sun Apr 1 12:14:22 2001 From: peterf at semiotx.com (Peter Fraterdeus) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:34 2005 Subject: Rsync fails to write In-Reply-To: <200103302012.MAA24905@omnigroup.com> References: <200103302012.MAA24905@omnigroup.com> Message-ID: >Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 17:38:40 -0800 >From: Edward Moy >... >On Thursday, March 29, 2001, at 01:36 AM, Paul Libbrecht wrote: > >> Does anyone play with rsync around here ? >> This is a real nifty tool, other linuxers here use CVS for this same >> purpose, which is crazy for space an transmission speed. >> >> Thing is, I can't manage to have rsync to write, it can never write the >> temporary files... Anyone has experience with this ?? This is still run >> as root, and uid and gid are set properly... > >I use rsync all the time, though only between Mac OS X machine (ie, I've >not tried a linux machine in the mix). I'm not sure what you mean by >writing the temporary files, unless you're saying that rsync writes temp >files before renaming them to the original. I believe that rsync will do that. What user is rsync running under? Peter -- AzByCx DwEvFu GtHsIr JqKpLo MnNmOl PkQjRi ShTgUf VeWdXc YbZa& @ Peter Fraterdeus http://www.midsummernightstamps.com www.semiotx.com Magical Images from the Moon's Garden! MacOSX * Apache * PHP * mySQL * Linux * Typography * Web Design From pbierma at attglobal.net Sun Apr 1 12:50:34 2001 From: pbierma at attglobal.net (philipp biermann) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:34 2005 Subject: getting used to update_prebind, but still locks up system Message-ID: Hello, After reading the man pages of update_prebind, I first made a try to execute in on a part of my directory tree /System. this went fast but it only printed out what it would like to do regardless if I run it with or without the -debug option. So I decided I give it another try to do its update on the / directory. 10 Minutes later, It had a vm usage of 2.5gig. another ten minutes later the system was dead, I did wait another hour. no telnet, no alt-cmd-esc. only the mouse did move in microsopic steps every 2 minutes. a ping to the OSX Machine came back after 8 seconds. the time in the menubar was stopped. After a restart via the reset key, I looked in the system.log: a little after the first 10 minutes, messages like "swapon suggested, no free pages ...". So I believe I had eaten up all my free 5Gigs on this volume. I would very much like to Optimize my System performance because according the man pages this improves the performance when starting (some) applications. Does the pager need a continuous 80.000kb file for paging or will it accept a fragmented piece of the disk? I dont like defragmenting software, but I could backup the complete disk and restore it (hope, OSX will start again afterwards?) I also could setup a additional 40gig paging disk on an external fire-wire disk but I dont belive this will make any difference. 5gig should be enough. any tips appreciated thank you philipp From peterf at semiotx.com Sun Apr 1 13:09:11 2001 From: peterf at semiotx.com (Peter Fraterdeus) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:34 2005 Subject: MySQL on 10.0.0? In-Reply-To: <200103302012.MAA24905@omnigroup.com> References: <200103302012.MAA24905@omnigroup.com> Message-ID: At 12:12 PM -0800 3/30/01, macosx-admin-request@omnigroup.com wrote: >Subject: MySQL on 10.0.0? > >I'm trying to compile MySQL 3.23.36 on 10.0.0, but it fails with: > >mysqld.cc: In function `void init_signals()': >mysqld.cc:1241: assignment to `void (*)(int)' from `void (*)()' >make[3]: *** [mysqld.o] Error 1 >make[2]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 >make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 >make: *** [all-recursive-am] Error 2 > >Does anyone know the way round this? > >Thanks, > >Alex Alex-- Go to http://www.prnet.de/RegEx/mysql.html I've complied and installed the latest mysql release for darwin 3.23.27 using these instructions and the small patch file. Works great! Peter -- AzByCx DwEvFu GtHsIr JqKpLo MnNmOl PkQjRi ShTgUf VeWdXc YbZa& @ Peter Fraterdeus http://www.midsummernightstamps.com www.semiotx.com Magical Images from the Moon's Garden! MacOSX * Apache * PHP * mySQL * Linux * Typography * Web Design From scott at maxify.com Sun Apr 1 14:30:17 2001 From: scott at maxify.com (Scott Stevenson) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:34 2005 Subject: incomplete Developer.pkg install (was: perl.h problem again) In-Reply-To: <200103261833.KAA02521@omnigroup.com> Message-ID: <200104012124.OAA04013@spyhunter.maxify.com> On Monday, March 26, 2001, at 10:33 AM, Frank Mueller wrote: > The root cause of the problem was that the Developer.pkg install wasn?t > complete. The installer stayed for hours at about 9 minutes left and > installed only parts of the package. This happened repeatedly on an > fresh install with original CDs. I would have thought Apple would have > been able to ship working installers, but they dont. The effect is > quite bizzare, gcc, parts of the perl stuff and other components were > not installed. Can anyone else confirm this is the case for sure on their Dev CD? - Scott -- Scott Stevenson http://wildtofu.com/ http://maxify.com/ From scott at maxify.com Sun Apr 1 15:33:23 2001 From: scott at maxify.com (Scott Stevenson) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:34 2005 Subject: No spring loaded folders?? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200104012227.PAA04155@spyhunter.maxify.com> On Saturday, March 31, 2001, at 08:29 PM, Frank Garcia wrote: > 'Course, the BSD layer makes it worth the price of admission, but > still, a > fast UI would be nice. I can live without some of the eyecandy. Run X11? :) - Scott -- Scott Stevenson http://wildtofu.com/ http://maxify.com/ From scott at maxify.com Sun Apr 1 15:38:11 2001 From: scott at maxify.com (Scott Stevenson) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:34 2005 Subject: NAT In-Reply-To: <20010331192122.POOK285.mta06-svc.ntlworld.com@localhost> Message-ID: <200104012232.PAA04169@spyhunter.maxify.com> On Saturday, March 31, 2001, at 11:21 AM, Kim Foo-Jones wrote: > It did seem to be working for a while, but then I restarted and > couldn't get it to work again - perhaps I'd used another command the > first time which I've forgotten about. (I wasn't quite sure which > interface was which the first time, so I tried a few different > permutations until it worked.) > [...] > I'd also like to turn this into a startup script. Are there any points > I should be aware of? What should the Requirements be in the > StartupParameters.plits? Is it important what I set Provides to? I was > thinking of using From Mac OS X Talk... might be useful here: ============ From: Ben Lachman Date: Mon Mar 26, 2001 10:41:22 PM US/Pacific To: OS X Talk Subject: Setting up NAT with OSX I've been fiddling around with natd since I got OS X yesterday and finally got everything up and running so I though I'd share what I'd learned with everyone. The reason I've been doing this is because I have an iBook and a G4 with airport cards in them which I'd like to share my DSL line between. I don't have a base station and OS X 1.0 (I refuse to call it 10.0) doesn't have a software base station feature like 8.6-9.x did. This will also work for a bunch of computers (doesn't matter what OS) on a wired network, it just happens that my second ethernet device is an airport card. If you don't like terminal, don't try this. 1) make sure root is enabled (either by using net info manager or sudo passwd root) 2) open up terminal and su to root (if you don't like doing this add sudo before commands) 3) enable ip forwarding: prompt# sysctl -w net.inet.ip.forwarding=1 or (not totally sure these are equivalent, you might want to do both) prompt# cd /etc prompt# pico -w hostconfig change the line IPFORWARDING=-NO- to IPFORWARDING=-YES- exit pico and save 4) create a config file for natd prompt# pico -w rc.natd my config file reads as follows: # Config File used by natd startup script in /System/Library/StartupItems/NAT # Logging parameters log yes log_denied yes # Networking parameters use_sockets yes same_ports yes interface en0 exit pico and save 5) if you *don't* want to run NAT at startup restart your computer and when you want to run nat open up terminal an start the natd daemon prompt# natd -config /etc/rc.natd 6) otherwise create a new startup item. there are a couple ways to do this: ***first way: 1) download the NAT.tar file from my iDisk (username: blachman) 2) untar from your root (/) directory (i tar'ed it so it will place it in the right place) prompt# cd / prompt# gnutar -xf NAT.tar 3) you're done. ***second way: 1) create the directory for the new startup item prompt# cd /System/Library/StartupItems prompt# mkdir NAT prompt# cd NAT 2) if you have the dev tools installed open the plist editor, select new and create a file that looks like this: Root Description String Network Address Translation Messages Dictionary start String Starting Network Address Translation Services stop String Stopping Network Address Translation Services OrderPreference String Late Provides Array 0 String NAT Requires Array 0 String Network 3) save this file to your desktop as StartupParamaters.plist and then move it to your startup items folder (replace me with your username) prompt# mv /Users/me/Desktop/StartupParameters.plist /System/Library/StartupItems/NAT/ 4) back in terminal create the actual startup script prompt# pico -w NAT my startup script looks like this: #!/bin/sh ## # NAT enables internet connection to be shared. ## . /etc/rc.common ConsoleMessage "Starting natd" ConsoleMessage "Comfiguring natd parameters" sysctl -w net.inet.ip.forwarding=1 ifconfig en1 192.168.0.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 natd -config /etc/rc.natd /sbin/ipfw -f flush /sbin/ipfw add divert natd all from any to any via en0 /sbin/ipfw add pass all from any to any exit pico and save 5) you're done. third way: 1) create the same file as above using defaults (i don't even want to try to explain that). 2) follow steps 4-5 of the second way. 3) you're done. 7) restart your computer. 8) make sure your second ethernet card is set right in system preferences IP: 192.168.0.1 Subnetmask: 255.255.255.0 DNS: your ISP's DNS servers (or you can run named... haven't quite gotten that working yet) 9) make sure your client computers are set up right IP: 192.168.0.x Subnetmask: 255.255.255.0 DNS: your ISP's DNS servers hope this is useful to someone! ->Ben _______________________________________________ MacOSX-talk mailing list MacOSX-talk@omnigroup.com http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-talk From scott at maxify.com Sun Apr 1 15:51:31 2001 From: scott at maxify.com (Scott Stevenson) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:34 2005 Subject: IP-Forwarding, NAT, etc. In-Reply-To: <3AC4FC01.E2B055F8@cunde.de> Message-ID: <200104012246.PAA04191@spyhunter.maxify.com> On Friday, March 30, 2001, at 01:34 PM, Christoph Ewering wrote: > P.S. Maybe I?m stupid, but where can I search this mailing-list on > stepwise? OmniGroup sponsors the list, not StepWise. http://www.omnigroup.com/community/mailinglists/macosx-admin/ - Scott -- Scott Stevenson http://wildtofu.com/ http://maxify.com/ From scott at maxify.com Sun Apr 1 16:05:18 2001 From: scott at maxify.com (Scott Stevenson) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:34 2005 Subject: Configuration Errors/Warnings when trying to build and install PHP 4.0.4 In-Reply-To: <200103312215.OAA13229@gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <200104012259.PAA04221@spyhunter.maxify.com> On Saturday, March 31, 2001, at 01:08 PM, Robert Allen wrote: > I need help. I am trying to build and install PHP 4.0.4 with Apache > 1.3.19 in Mac OS X GM. I was able to successfully build and install > Apache, but when I ran ./configure for PHP, I got these warning/error > messages: First off, for most people, Mac OS X's built-in Apache 1.3.14 is probably fine. The advantages you gain probably aren't worth the hassle if all you want to do is get PHP4 running. The first error you have is unrelated to Mac OS X. But you shouldn't see it because you shouldn't be building PHP as a CGI interpreter. Only a few people need to do this, and since you're running Apache, you really shouldn't. You probably want to build --with-apxs to build a DSO module. This allows you to add PHP4 to your existing Apache install without recompiling Apache itself. Look at the "INSTALL" file for more on this. I'm unfamiliar with what the second error is: "the configure script was not able to detect a simple feature on your platform". However, this is the most significant error of the bunch. I assume you installed the developer tools from the CD Apple provides in the package? You probably don't have to worry about the third error, unless you're installing other third party Apache modules that depend on MySQL, or installing a version of MySQL that came out after the version of PHP4 you download (the client libraries could be out of sync with the server). If you want to be extra safe, download MySQL and build PHP4 using "--with-mysql=/path/to/mysql" to point it at the current libraries. Of course, replace "/path/to/mysql/" with the place you actually put mysql. You don't have to actually run MySQL, though, unless you want the database to reside locally. - Scott -- Scott Stevenson http://wildtofu.com/ http://maxify.com/ From frankg at overland.net Sun Apr 1 16:40:56 2001 From: frankg at overland.net (Frank Garcia) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:34 2005 Subject: Xfree86 was:No spring loaded folders?? In-Reply-To: <200104012227.PAA04155@spyhunter.maxify.com> Message-ID: on 4/1/01 5:32 PM, Scott Stevenson at scott@maxify.com wrote: > > On Saturday, March 31, 2001, at 08:29 PM, Frank Garcia wrote: > >> 'Course, the BSD layer makes it worth the price of admission, but >> still, a >> fast UI would be nice. I can live without some of the eyecandy. > > Run X11? :) That's what I'm setting up right now :-) As I sit here watching "make World" run for the third time this weekend... I've been looking for info on setting up Xfree86 with the retail version of OSX. I had it working under PB with XMaster, but now it doesn't build xinit. I did a clean install (hd format) of OSX on the same partition I had PB on. I've updated my source tree to 4.0.3. Are the instructions for PB from XonX still valid or is there some key element missing there? And I didn't say I didn't *like* Aqua, it just feels a bit less responsive than the Classic Finder. The Quadra comparison was probably a bit harsh, but it had been a long day... And I'm not going to be getting a new main machine for a long time. Hate to see it show signs of age ;-) Frank From njriley at uiuc.edu Sun Apr 1 16:49:00 2001 From: njriley at uiuc.edu (Nicholas Riley) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:34 2005 Subject: Xfree86 was:No spring loaded folders?? In-Reply-To: ; from frankg@overland.net on Sun, Apr 01, 2001 at 06:40:43PM -0500 References: <200104012227.PAA04155@spyhunter.maxify.com> Message-ID: <20010401200317.A7601@uiuc.edu> On Sun, Apr 01, 2001 at 06:40:43PM -0500, Frank Garcia wrote: > > As I sit here watching "make World" run for the third time this weekend... > I've been looking for info on setting up Xfree86 with the retail version of > OSX. I had it working under PB with XMaster, but now it doesn't build xinit. > I did a clean install (hd format) of OSX on the same partition I had PB on. > I've updated my source tree to 4.0.3. Are the instructions for PB from XonX > still valid or is there some key element missing there? The binary versions run fine...unless you plan to hack on XFree86, that is :-) Just get the XFree86 4.0.2 Darwin tar files, run the installer script, get the 4.0.3 upgrade, run the installer script, and then download the XonX distribution and untar it. It's slow - as in you can see an xterm as it draws - but it works. Strangely (perhaps accurately), it doesn't seem to be any faster if I use X without the Quartz windowserver running. -- Nicholas Riley | From rpeskin at rlpcon.com Sun Apr 1 21:45:19 2001 From: rpeskin at rlpcon.com (Richard Peskin) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:34 2005 Subject: Airport and UFS Message-ID: <200104020445.f324jDj08322@mailgate1.sover.net> The problem that prevents the AirPort card from being recognized when running OS X on a UFS file system has been identified (by Louis Gerbarg). As suspected, it is a problem of case sensitivity. To correct it, the appropriate Info.plist (/System/Library/Extensions/AppleAirPort.kext/Contents/Info.plist) has to be edited so that all references to the AirPort driver are consistent with the name of that driver. The driver is named AppleAirPort; the Info.plist file has references to both AppleAirport, and AppleAirPort. This is no problem for an HFS+ file system, but clearly is a problem for UFS. I made the changes and now I can have airport under UFS. (Of course there still appears to be some debate on whether OS X performs better under HFS+ as opposed to UFS.) --dick peskin Richard L. Peskin, RLP Consulting, Londonderry, VT http://www.rlpcon.com http://www.caip.rutgers.edu/~peskin From Morten.Ronseth at coil.no Sun Apr 1 23:39:10 2001 From: Morten.Ronseth at coil.no (Morten R=?ISO-8859-1?B?+A==?=nseth) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:34 2005 Subject: MacOS X Update?? In-Reply-To: <200103311927.LAA03238@hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Message-ID: Yes - where...? Cheers, -Morten "Gene Steinberg" skrev i sin epost 200103311927.LAA03238@hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net av den 3/31/01 9:27 PM: > On 3/31/01 12:10 PM Irfan Rahman irfan@irfanrahman.com wrote: > >> I see it's available to download from ADC site......but when clicking on >> download......it says, denied. Anyone seeing this?? >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> Mac OS X Software Update >> >> Pre-release version of Mac OS X Software Update. Requires 4K78 or later. >> Software Update must be installed first. >> >> File Name Date Posted Format File Size >> >> Mac OS X Software Update 30 Mar 2001 MacBinary 6.2 MB >> --------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> ------ > > > URL please? I am an ADC Select member. --------------------------------------------------------------- Coil AS http://www.coil.no Morten Lerskau R?nseth mailto:morten.ronseth@coil.no Karenslyst All? 16d Tlf.: (47) 2254 1820 0278 Oslo Fax : (47) 2254 1821 Norway Mob.: (47) 9343 4357 ICQ : 25163080 From paul at ags.uni-sb.de Mon Apr 2 02:04:34 2001 From: paul at ags.uni-sb.de (Paul Libbrecht) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:34 2005 Subject: Anyone has managed NIS on OSX 10.0 ? Message-ID: Hi there, I've just been trying NIS configuration from Lookupmanager or using plain ypbind and it turns out ypbind always hangs, without any message, not even in the system.log. Has anyone managed this ?? Paul -- From Ryan_Evans at mindspring.com Mon Apr 2 02:20:30 2001 From: Ryan_Evans at mindspring.com (Ryan Evans) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:34 2005 Subject: samba 2.0.7 binaries for Mac OS X available Message-ID: <200104020920.FAA27180@barry.mail.mindspring.net> You can download them here: ftp://techhouse.org/pub/osx/samba-2.0.7-osx.tar.gz The InstallSamba script included will set up both Samba and SWAT, the web based configuration tool. It will also install a Samba startup item. See the README.osx file for more information. If you have any questions, please drop me a line at ryan@techhouse.org (I'm using that email address for all of the work related to the binary packages I'm building, and would appreciate it if you'd help me with that). Thanks! --Ryan From kobylins at informatik.tu-muenchen.de Mon Apr 2 02:37:17 2001 From: kobylins at informatik.tu-muenchen.de (Rafael K. Kobylinski) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:34 2005 Subject: Anyone has managed NIS on OSX 10.0 ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: You might want to look at the pages of Marcel Bresink at http://www.bresink.de/osx/ where you will find a document describing NIS and Mac OS X integration as well as LookupManager, a graphical front end to lookupd. At 11:04 Uhr +0200 02.04.2001, Paul Libbrecht wrote: >Hi there, > >I've just been trying NIS configuration from Lookupmanager or using >plain ypbind and it turns out ypbind always hangs, without any >message, not even in the system.log. > >Has anyone managed this ?? > >Paul >-- >_______________________________________________ >MacOSX-admin mailing list >MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com >http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin -- Rafael K. Kobylinski Email: kobylins@in.tum.de Institut f?r Informatik Tel. : ++ 49 89 289 22391 Technische Universit?t M?nchen Cell.: ++ 49 177 7 495020 From steve.harman at camb-antibody.co.uk Mon Apr 2 02:44:25 2001 From: steve.harman at camb-antibody.co.uk (Steve Harman) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:34 2005 Subject: IE Message-ID: Dear all, Two quickies: has anyone managed to get the Auction Manager feature in IE (on OSX consumer) to update from Ebay? Mine makes contact with Ebay (UK) OK but doesn't seem to update any useful information such as time remaining etc. Secondly - when downloading files in IE - during downloads (which seem to come down fine) - I'm left with the coloured spinning ball and can't use IE to do anything else until the download has finished. Anyone else seeing this? Thanks, Steve From joar at joar.com Mon Apr 2 03:20:36 2001 From: joar at joar.com (j o a r) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:35 2005 Subject: [OFF]Archiving In-Reply-To: <200104012326.QAA17214@omnigroup.com> Message-ID: On m?ndag, april 2, 2001, at 01:26 , Mike Vannorsdel wrote: > My purpose is for backing up files rather than software distribution. > So I need the permissions to stay as they are, like tar -p does. > However my system has a mix of old and new files so some of them still > have resource forks that tar will strip. My concern with the disk > image is that when I copy the files to the disk image, the permissions > will change, won't they? A copied file might belong to root, but is > now owned by the user who copied the file to the disk image, no?. > Also, what do you mean by the .dmg format? Is this a different format > than Disk Copy's default (.img)? There is no way to do this with the tools available today. The unix tools available mangles mac-files and the classic mac tools available mangles unix data... The best thing you can achive is to use Finder copies, running as root, and after you're done reset the users with chown from the CLI. I hope that Retrospect will finally put an end to all these problems when they release the client for X in mid April. Regards, j o a r From paul at ags.uni-sb.de Mon Apr 2 04:10:51 2001 From: paul at ags.uni-sb.de (Paul Libbrecht) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:35 2005 Subject: Anyone has managed NIS on OSX 10.0 ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: This was, of course, my starting point. Even ypbind -d doesn't give any message. Paul At 11:37 AM +0200 4/2/01, Rafael K. Kobylinski wrote: >You might want to look at the pages of Marcel Bresink at >http://www.bresink.de/osx/ where you will find a document describing >NIS and Mac OS X integration as well as LookupManager, a graphical >front end to lookupd. > > >At 11:04 Uhr +0200 02.04.2001, Paul Libbrecht wrote: >>Hi there, >> >>I've just been trying NIS configuration from Lookupmanager or using >>plain ypbind and it turns out ypbind always hangs, without any >>message, not even in the system.log. >> >>Has anyone managed this ?? >> >>Paul >>-- >>_______________________________________________ >>MacOSX-admin mailing list >>MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com >>http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin > >-- >Rafael K. Kobylinski Email: kobylins@in.tum.de >Institut f?r Informatik Tel. : ++ 49 89 289 22391 >Technische Universit?t M?nchen Cell.: ++ 49 177 7 495020 -- From jmd at CUBE.WESTLAB.COM Mon Apr 2 05:15:12 2001 From: jmd at CUBE.WESTLAB.COM (James M. De Arras) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:35 2005 Subject: Airport card as bridge in OSX? Message-ID: <88D6397F5B4A0849850FCB950948AC861065A6@CUBE.Westlab.Com> Is there a way to use the Airport card as a total replacement for an airport base, specifically, use the system DHCP, rather than the local one with NAT. I need this to support roaming across a multi-brand 803.11b wireless network. Jim From joakim at jokke.dk Mon Apr 2 06:06:30 2001 From: joakim at jokke.dk (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Joakim_Nyg=E5rd?=) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:35 2005 Subject: IE In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 2 Apr 2001, Steve Harman wrote: [...] > Secondly - when downloading files in IE - during downloads (which seem > to come down fine) - I'm left with the coloured spinning ball and can't > use IE to do anything else until the download has finished. Anyone else > seeing this? I get it all the time. IE apparently doesn't do multithread very well. This in combination with it being quite buggy makes it almost unuseable. I prefer OmniWeb for the moment (or even a classic IE, which runs just fine). I hope M$ will be done soon. Joakim -- Joakim Nyg?rd | http://jokke.dk - Pulling the trigger at port 80 From marcel at metaobject.com Mon Apr 2 06:39:40 2001 From: marcel at metaobject.com (Marcel Weiher) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:35 2005 Subject: [OFF]Archiving In-Reply-To: Message-ID: You could try hfstar... On Montag, April 2, 2001, at 12:20 Uhr, j o a r wrote: > > On m?ndag, april 2, 2001, at 01:26 , Mike Vannorsdel wrote: > >> My purpose is for backing up files rather than software distribution. >> So I need the permissions to stay as they are, like tar -p does. >> However my system has a mix of old and new files so some of them still >> have resource forks that tar will strip. My concern with the disk >> image is that when I copy the files to the disk image, the permissions >> will change, won't they? A copied file might belong to root, but is >> now owned by the user who copied the file to the disk image, no?. >> Also, what do you mean by the .dmg format? Is this a different format >> than Disk Copy's default (.img)? > > There is no way to do this with the tools available today. The unix > tools available mangles mac-files and the classic mac tools available > mangles unix data... > The best thing you can achive is to use Finder copies, running as root, > and after you're done reset the users with chown from the CLI. From darrell at specialmoves.com Mon Apr 2 06:44:40 2001 From: darrell at specialmoves.com (darrell wilkins) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:35 2005 Subject: [Fwd: Apple iServices: Expert Consulting. Software Solutions. FastResults.] In-Reply-To: <200103302127.NAA25522@spyhunter.maxify.com> Message-ID: >> Does the below message bother any of you guys and gals. Are we paying >> money to the now "competition" for their Operating System? >> >> Discussion.... > > Everybody has professional services -- Microsoft, IBM, Oracle, etc. The > lack of this was perceived to be a shortcoming in Apple for a while. In fact IBM are actually the biggest web design firm in the world! cheers darrell - specialmoves 020 7278 7448 www.specialmoves.com From paul at ags.uni-sb.de Mon Apr 2 07:16:35 2001 From: paul at ags.uni-sb.de (Paul Libbrecht) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:35 2005 Subject: Rsync fails to write In-Reply-To: <200103300139.RAA16854@scv1.apple.com> References: <200103300139.RAA16854@scv1.apple.com> Message-ID: At 5:38 PM -0800 3/29/01, Edward Moy wrote: >On Thursday, March 29, 2001, at 01:36 AM, Paul Libbrecht wrote: > >>Does anyone play with rsync around here ? >>This is a real nifty tool, other linuxers here use CVS for this >>same purpose, which is crazy for space an transmission speed. >> >>Thing is, I can't manage to have rsync to write, it can never write >>the temporary files... Anyone has experience with this ?? This is >>still run as root, and uid and gid are set properly... > >I use rsync all the time, though only between Mac OS X machine (ie, >I've not tried a linux machine in the mix). I'm not sure what you >mean by writing the temporary files, unless you're saying that rsync >writes temp files before renaming them to the original. > >Can you give more information about your setup (if you changed some >configuration, etc), what command you used and the actual error >message you got? No configuration is changed: just set up rsyncd.conf with two modules with one same user on it (referred to by name, not by id) and a secrets file. Now, to read data (i.e. rsync remote to local), everything works fine. However to rsync upwards (rsync localPath remote::something), the rsync launched process needs to write things and it seems it cannot, it doesn't have the necessary priviledges to write some XXXtheFileName.temp, a temporary file probably created before actually writing the files. Note that I am not using rsync with the ssh or scp facility as the invocation of any of these are pretty slow (for a reason I still can't understand, maybe the reverse DNS lookup). This might be the major difference. >(This message is from me as a reader of this list, and not a statement >from Apple.) I like this message... feel the weight of a statement of Apple ;) Paul -- From joerg.preuss at jmpreuss-edv.de Mon Apr 2 07:27:21 2001 From: joerg.preuss at jmpreuss-edv.de (J=?ISO-8859-1?B?9nJnIFByZXXf?=) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:35 2005 Subject: gnutar/tar bug? Message-ID: hi there! i tried to tar (czf) a folder tree. it is nearly one gig big. after about 354 mb I got a kernel panic. this was not the first time i got a kernel panic while tar was working. i used macos x pb and my normal user (not root). does anybody had similar experiences? joerg -- www: http://www.jmpreuss-edv.de email: joerg.preuss@jmpreuss-edv.de jmpreuss@gmx.net preuss@stud.fbi.fh-darmstadt.de icq : 10469889 From beatty at physics.umass.edu Mon Apr 2 07:28:31 2001 From: beatty at physics.umass.edu (Ian Beatty) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:35 2005 Subject: TN3270 Client? Message-ID: Greetings. Anybody know of a Telnet 3270 client that works relatively painlessly on OS X? Thanks, ..Ian -- --- -- --- -- --- -- --- -- --- -- --- -- --- -- --- -- --- -- --- -- Dr. Ian Beatty beatty@physics.umass.edu Physics Education Research Group voice: (413) 545-9483 Department of Physics fax: (413) 545-4884 Univ. of Massachusetts @ Amherst http://umperg.physics.umass.edu/IDB/ Amherst, MA 01003-4525 USA -- --- -- --- -- --- -- --- -- --- -- --- -- --- -- --- -- --- -- --- -- From Don.Rainwater at UC.Edu Mon Apr 2 07:40:59 2001 From: Don.Rainwater at UC.Edu (Don Rainwater) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:35 2005 Subject: OS X Airport access to non-Apple gear? In-Reply-To: <200103282347.PAA15750@smtpout.mac.com> References: <200103282347.PAA15750@smtpout.mac.com> Message-ID: This turned out to be the correct solution - I had to enter the password in hexadecimal with a leading dollar sign ($). Other than that one small glitch, Airport on OS X works fine with the non-Apple wireless hubs we have here. Thanks, Terry. At 9:43 AM +1000 3/29/01, bradyt@mac.com wrote: >On Thursday, March 29, 2001, at 08:16 AM, Don Rainwater wrote: > >>I have a TiBook with an Airport card, running MacOS X 10.0. Using >>Airport, I have no trouble accessing an Apple Airport hub on either >>OS 9.1 or OS X. However, I cannot access a non-Apple wireless hub >>under OS X (OS 9.1 works fine for this). I can select the >>non-Apple hub, and it asks me for a password, but the password that >>works under OS 9 is not accepted. >> >The solution is to enter your password using hexademical ascii values! (Yuck) > >You need to enter something like $356C6A but substituting the hex >values for your own password of course. The "$" is mandatory. > >Cheers, >Terry >_______________________________________________ >MacOSX-admin mailing list >MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com >http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin -- Don Rainwater, Technology Manager Email: Don.Rainwater@UC.Edu UCit Educational Services University of Cincinnati From cwolf at wolfware.com Mon Apr 2 08:01:00 2001 From: cwolf at wolfware.com (Christopher Wolf) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:35 2005 Subject: [OFF]Archiving In-Reply-To: Message-ID: *This message was transferred with a trial version of CommuniGate(tm) Pro* On Monday, April 2, 2001, at 03:20 AM, j o a r wrote: > *This message was transferred with a trial version of CommuniGate(tm) > Pro* > > On m?ndag, april 2, 2001, at 01:26 , Mike Vannorsdel wrote: > >> My purpose is for backing up files rather than software distribution. >> So I need the permissions to stay as they are, like tar -p does. >> However my system has a mix of old and new files so some of them still >> have resource forks that tar will strip. My concern with the disk >> image is that when I copy the files to the disk image, the permissions >> will change, won't they? A copied file might belong to root, but is >> now owned by the user who copied the file to the disk image, no?. >> Also, what do you mean by the .dmg format? Is this a different format >> than Disk Copy's default (.img)? > > There is no way to do this with the tools available today. The unix > tools available mangles mac-files and the classic mac tools available > mangles unix data... Not so... use ditto. It can handle both flat and multi-fork files, UFS and HFS+ and permissions correctly. - Chris > The best thing you can achive is to use Finder copies, running as root, > and after you're done reset the users with chown from the CLI. > > I hope that Retrospect will finally put an end to all these problems > when they release the client for X in mid April. > > Regards, > > j o a r > > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-admin mailing list > MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin From lre at mendota.com Mon Apr 2 08:18:56 2001 From: lre at mendota.com (Louis R. Eagle) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:35 2005 Subject: Dev tools install problems Message-ID: <200104021518.AA00957@latte.mendota.com> repost -- Sorry if this is a repeat, I didn't see the listserv send it out yesterday. I'm baffled. I have been unable to get either RC or the final developer tools to install properly either as a user in the admin group or as root on either a UFS or HSF+ root partition. Upgrades or clean installs, makes no difference. HW is a G4/400. I've seen threads indicating that i'm not the only one, but few enough to presume this is not a common problem. No help on the Apple support site. The symptoms are: When installing as a user in the admin group, pax reports a pile of permission errors mainly around /usr and below (ps shows pax is run as the user, not as su root). First entry in the log is something like: runner: error 5. When installing as root, pax seems to run ok, and all the files in the BOM are written, but the installer never gets past the "writing files - under a minute to go" point. I've then run the post install scripts by hand, guessing at the arguments, but this hardly seems like the optimal situation. Anyone seen and solved this problem? Thanks, Louis Louis_Eagle@mendota.com From kim.foo-jones at ntlworld.com Mon Apr 2 08:20:57 2001 From: kim.foo-jones at ntlworld.com (Kim Foo-Jones) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:35 2005 Subject: NAT In-Reply-To: <200104012232.PAA04169@spyhunter.maxify.com> Message-ID: <20010402152054.BIPF285.mta06-svc.ntlworld.com@localhost> On Sunday, April 1, 2001, at 11:37 , Scott Stevenson wrote: > On Saturday, March 31, 2001, at 11:21 AM, Kim Foo-Jones wrote: > >> It did seem to be working for a while, but then I restarted and >> couldn't get it to work again - perhaps I'd used another command >> the first time which I've forgotten about. (I wasn't quite sure >> which interface was which the first time, so I tried a few >> different permutations until it worked.) >> > [...] >> I'd also like to turn this into a startup script. Are there any >> points I should be aware of? What should the Requirements be in >> the StartupParameters.plits? Is it important what I set Provides >> to? I was thinking of using > > From Mac OS X Talk... might be useful here: Thanks, but I've done all that, and it's not working... The strange thing is that it did work briefly but I can't seem to repeat it. I'm beginning to think something within the system has got messed-up but I don't know what, and I'd rather not re-install the whole thing (again). I hope someone can provide some suggestions where to look! TIA, -Kim PS: Apologies to Scott, I forgot to direct this to the list :) From joar at joar.com Mon Apr 2 08:25:41 2001 From: joar at joar.com (j o a r) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:35 2005 Subject: [OFF]Archiving In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On m?ndag, april 2, 2001, at 05:00 , Christopher Wolf wrote: > Not so... use ditto. It can handle both flat and multi-fork files, UFS > and HFS+ and permissions correctly. Cool if it is true! ie. can you use it to back up a whole partition with X user directories and OS 9 applications to an other volume and back - and have it working? Is this true? (from the man page) Ditto currently requires that you must be logged in as root to run it. ??? Regards, j o a r From stuart.roebuck at adolos.co.uk Mon Apr 2 09:11:53 2001 From: stuart.roebuck at adolos.co.uk (Stuart Roebuck) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:35 2005 Subject: [OFF]Archiving In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I've just tried it copying HFS+ to HFS+ and I'm not convinced it works, even if you use the -rsrcFork option that isn't mentioned in the man pages but lists with: ditto -h Most things seem to copy fine, but resource forks don't appear to coming over. Can anyone else confirm whether this tool is up-to-date and functioning? Stuart. On Monday, April 2, 2001, at 04:25 pm, j o a r wrote: > > On m?ndag, april 2, 2001, at 05:00 , Christopher Wolf wrote: > >> Not so... use ditto. It can handle both flat and multi-fork files, UFS >> and HFS+ and permissions correctly. > > Cool if it is true! ie. can you use it to back up a whole partition with > X user directories and OS 9 applications to an other volume and back - > and have it working? > > Is this true? (from the man page) > > Ditto currently requires that you must be logged in as > root to run it. > > > ??? > > Regards, > > j o a r ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Stuart Roebuck stuart.roebuck@adolos.com Lead Developer Java, XML, MacOS X, XP, etc. ADOLOS http://www.adolos.com/ From dluke at geeklair.net Mon Apr 2 11:05:27 2001 From: dluke at geeklair.net (Daniel J. Luke) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:35 2005 Subject: Port 80 question In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20010330231503.01737f20@mail.eaw.com>; from sean.correia@eaw.com on Fri, Mar 30, 2001 at 11:16:34PM -0500 References: <4.2.0.58.20010330231503.01737f20@mail.eaw.com> Message-ID: <20010402140519.D10898@geeklair.net> On Fri, Mar 30, 2001 at 11:16:34PM -0500, Sean Correia wrote: > How can I get a list of what is using which ports? You probably want lsof (it's in the Darwin CVS). -- Daniel J. Luke +========================================================+ | *---------------- dluke@geeklair.net ----------------* | | *-------------- http://www.geeklair.net -------------* | +========================================================+ | Opinions expressed are mine and do not necessarily | | reflect the opinions of my employer. | +========================================================+ From marco at vampiresoft.com Mon Apr 2 11:17:51 2001 From: marco at vampiresoft.com (Marco Bambini) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:35 2005 Subject: OT: Mount ext2 volumes Message-ID: Is there a way to mount my linuxppc partition (ext2 volume) under osx? Thanks for the help. Regards, Marco Bambini From dluke at geeklair.net Mon Apr 2 11:30:36 2001 From: dluke at geeklair.net (Daniel J. Luke) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:35 2005 Subject: failed logins log In-Reply-To: ; from bryanharris@mac.com on Sat, Mar 31, 2001 at 11:56:24AM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20010402143031.E10898@geeklair.net> On Sat, Mar 31, 2001 at 11:56:24AM -0600, Bryan Harris wrote: > *I* could? =) Where could I go to find definitions of such config files? `man syslog.conf` :-) -- Daniel J. Luke +========================================================+ | *---------------- dluke@geeklair.net ----------------* | | *-------------- http://www.geeklair.net -------------* | +========================================================+ | Opinions expressed are mine and do not necessarily | | reflect the opinions of my employer. | +========================================================+ From frank at eu.ro Mon Apr 2 11:40:53 2001 From: frank at eu.ro (Frank Mueller) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:35 2005 Subject: Dev tools install problems In-Reply-To: <200104021518.AA00957@latte.mendota.com> Message-ID: <200104021840.LAA15742@omnigroup.com> On Montag, April 2, 2001, at 05:18 Uhr, Louis R. Eagle wrote: > Anyone seen and solved this problem? Yes. Using pax by hand from the commandline worked for me. I suspect that there is some sort of bug in the installer script that only strikes under very seldom circumstances. I had the same problem with the developer package that came with the 4k32 (?), although that was on a different hardware. We had the problem here with an Powerbook G4, an Powerbook G3 Series and a iMac. Same install CDs worked on the exact brothes of all above mentioned machines problem-free. The only problem I noticed is that you need to readjust some owners and permissions (like the one for the Classic environment) by hand or run the post-install files that do that. Greetings Frank From frank at eu.ro Mon Apr 2 11:42:09 2001 From: frank at eu.ro (Frank Mueller) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:35 2005 Subject: gnutar/tar bug? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200104021842.LAA15880@omnigroup.com> On Montag, April 2, 2001, at 04:29 Uhr, J?rg Preu? wrote: > i used macos x pb and my normal user (not root). > > does anybody had similar experiences? Yes. It went away after I installed the Final version (4k78). Greetings Frank From andrew at stone.com Mon Apr 2 12:31:31 2001 From: andrew at stone.com (Andrew Stone) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:35 2005 Subject: Epson 740: when printing hangs - reboot fixes, but... Message-ID: <200104021930.NAA38018@floyd.stone.com> Is everyone enjoying printing through USB devices on X? I usually am happy, but occasionally, the queue hangs. Rebooting restarts printing nicely, but that's very inconvenient. Does anyone know what processes to kill/restart to get printing working again? Thanks! From joar at joar.com Mon Apr 2 13:40:41 2001 From: joar at joar.com (j o a r) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:35 2005 Subject: [OFF]Archiving In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On m?ndag, april 2, 2001, at 06:11 , Stuart Roebuck wrote: > I've just tried it copying HFS+ to HFS+ and I'm not convinced it works, > even if you use the -rsrcFork option that isn't mentioned in the man > pages but lists with: > ditto -h > Most things seem to copy fine, but resource forks don't appear to > coming over. > Can anyone else confirm whether this tool is up-to-date and functioning? ...and what about CpMac? Regards, j o a r From paul at ags.uni-sb.de Mon Apr 2 13:42:42 2001 From: paul at ags.uni-sb.de (Paul Libbrecht) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:35 2005 Subject: arp command locking ssh ?? Message-ID: Hi there, Since the public beta, any installation of ssh I have touched over MacOSX has always been slow as hell. It turns out... I launched ssh -v -v -v to know what was happening and the answer was.... art -a -n is where everything locks and waits around twenty seconds (yes, yes !). >debug3: Reading output from 'arp -a -n' >debug3: Time elapsed: 2 msec >debug2: Command 'arp -a -n' timed out >debug3: Got 0.00 bytes of entropy from 'arp -a -n' Is there a good reason for this command to be so slow ?? Something crooked in the network settings again ?? But this machine is a non-hacked one.... not even a shade of an NIS or NFS attempt... Thanks. Paul -- From alex at resolvemedia.net Mon Apr 2 13:56:35 2001 From: alex at resolvemedia.net (Alex Fuller) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:35 2005 Subject: IE In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Apparently, something changed about the way Carbon apps write to disk after IE preview was frozen but before the GM was frozen. Hence downloading a file in the current IE preview slow the whole thing to a crawl, but it will be fixed. I am hugely disappointed in the current IE for OS X though. I thought the one for PB was pretty dodgy, but that was quite acceptable since it was a pre-release OS. Now we have only a preview IE which in my view has taken many steps backward (in its current build) even from the one for PB. I mean, it still doesn't draw some pages until you resize the window, plus I have had problems using scrollbars in frames, and you can't copy from form fields! At least you can see whether the location in the address field is highlighted or not now. Other than we don't have a browser that renders much CSS or JavaScript, which are more than commonplace in most mainstream websites. It is embarrassing to have been waxing lyrical about the OS to PC-using friends only to be unable to browse the web 'properly' (I love OmniWeb, but too many sites are broken on it currently. I know about the things it does well, but if you are talking to someone used to a IE 5.5 for Windows, they find it hard to see what the fuss is about on balance). I know, IE's still a preview, but someone, Apple or MS, should have made sure the thing was ready for the full release of the OS. * Oh God, the excitement's worn off, and the OS X blues are setting in. I mean, the UI sluggishness in the Finder is a joke (list view resizing anyone? and this is on a G4 500DP), and it is so unpolished to use. The Mac isn't just about looking pretty, it was about working easily and then looking better than the rest. And even Classic has got worse - now my cursor keeps becoming invisible, and Classic often stops working for no reason when it was fine before. And you can still crash it by dragging an Aqua icon over a Classic window (not all of them, just some). * I suppose this is really a second beta of OS X before July. The only problem with putting it that way is that it builds up expectations for all sorts of improvements then.. Sigh... Alex at the end of a busy day (UK time) :-( On Monday, April 2, 2001, at 02:06 pm, Joakim Nyg?rd wrote: > On Mon, 2 Apr 2001, Steve Harman wrote: > > [...] >> Secondly - when downloading files in IE - during downloads (which seem >> to come down fine) - I'm left with the coloured spinning ball and can't >> use IE to do anything else until the download has finished. Anyone >> else >> seeing this? > > I get it all the time. IE apparently doesn't do multithread very > well. This in combination with it being quite buggy makes it almost > unuseable. I prefer OmniWeb for the moment (or even a classic IE, which > runs just fine). > I hope M$ will be done soon. > > Joakim > > -- > Joakim Nyg?rd | http://jokke.dk > - > Pulling the trigger at port 80 > > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-admin mailing list > MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin > > From markbvt at adelphia.net Mon Apr 2 13:59:10 2001 From: markbvt at adelphia.net (Mark Bock) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:35 2005 Subject: OS X and Adaptec SCSI card? In-Reply-To: <200103290547.VAA26204@smtpout.mac.com> References: <200103290547.VAA26204@smtpout.mac.com> Message-ID: Afternoon. Has anyone had any luck getting OS X to recognize a drive attached to an Adaptec 29160N SCSI PCI card? I just installed OS X on my new G4, which I also transferred the Adaptec card and SCSI hard drive into, and OS X doesn't see it. I'm going to go out on a limb here and assume that there are no drivers for the Adaptec card as of yet (found no mention of any on the Adaptec website). Anyone had any other experience? Thanks in advance! --mark -- . . . . . mark bock KB1EXL markbvt@adelphia.net "A youth who can't hit a cathedral at thirty yards with a Gatling gun in three-quarters of an hour, can take up an old empty musket and bag his grandmother every time, at a hundred." --Mark Twain PGP Public Key: available at http://www.armchaircommando.org/key.html PGP Fingerprint: 1A59 BBB7 DF23 9FEC 5897 5C7B 7703 78FB CC33 6ABC From paul at ags.uni-sb.de Mon Apr 2 14:03:40 2001 From: paul at ags.uni-sb.de (Paul Libbrecht) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:35 2005 Subject: arp command locking ssh ?? Message-ID: Oh, I found a trick which made it fantastically quick... Restricting the subnet mask... switched from 255.255.255.0 to 255.255.255.248 (thereby only have the last three bits representing the subnet)... turned out to be awesome !! (we're running a very small network behind an isdn router, all ethernet plugged). Good to know ! Paul At 11:01 PM +0200 4/2/01, Paul Libbrecht wrote: > >Hi there, > > >Since the public beta, any installation of ssh I have touched over >MacOSX has always been slow as hell. It turns out... I launched ssh >-v -v -v to know what was happening and the answer was.... art -a -n >is where everything locks and waits around twenty seconds (yes, yes >!). .... From lists at colorremedies.com Mon Apr 2 14:07:30 2001 From: lists at colorremedies.com (Chris Murphy) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:35 2005 Subject: Finder Services, was Re: ZIP for OSX Message-ID: <200104022107.OAA13065@swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net> > The sad thing is that OpenUp also does zip, but since Finder >doesn't support Services, you can't do it from it. :-( I assume this is because Finder is a Carbon application and not a Cocoa application? Chris Murphy Color Remedies (tm) Boulder, CO 303-415-9932 From eugene at anime.net Mon Apr 2 14:07:58 2001 From: eugene at anime.net (Eugene Lee) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:35 2005 Subject: IE In-Reply-To: ; from alex@resolvemedia.net on Mon, Apr 02, 2001 at 09:55:58PM +0100 References: Message-ID: <20010402140853.G306@anime.net> On Mon, Apr 02, 2001 at 09:55:58PM +0100, Alex Fuller wrote: : : Other than we don't have a browser that renders much CSS or JavaScript, : which are more than commonplace in most mainstream websites. It is : embarrassing to have been waxing lyrical about the OS to PC-using : friends only to be unable to browse the web 'properly' (I love OmniWeb, : but too many sites are broken on it currently. If you see a web site the doesn't render quite right (or at all) in OmniWeb, be sure to do your part and tell the OmniWeb folks what URLs aren't showing up. -- Eugene Lee eugene@anime.net From jeremy at biohabit.com Mon Apr 2 14:15:22 2001 From: jeremy at biohabit.com (Jeremy O'Leary) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:35 2005 Subject: OS X and Adaptec SCSI card? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: http://ask.adaptec.com/cgi-bin/adaptec_tic/solution?11=001025-0000&130=000972508568&14=&2715=&15=&2716=&57=search&58=&2900=e0xp3VugLH&25=7&3=Mac%2039160 With regards to PowerDomain 2930, 29160, 29160N, 39160 PCI SCSI Card and AVA-2906 "We are working on new releases and will post them as quickly as possible. As new information becomes available we will be posting it here." + Jeremy On Mon, 2 Apr 2001, Mark Bock wrote: > Afternoon. Has anyone had any luck getting OS X to recognize a drive > attached to an Adaptec 29160N SCSI PCI card? > > I just installed OS X on my new G4, which I also transferred the > Adaptec card and SCSI hard drive into, and OS X doesn't see it. I'm > going to go out on a limb here and assume that there are no drivers > for the Adaptec card as of yet (found no mention of any on the > Adaptec website). > > Anyone had any other experience? > > Thanks in advance! > > --mark > > -- > . . . . . > mark bock > KB1EXL > markbvt@adelphia.net > > "A youth who can't hit a cathedral at thirty yards with a Gatling gun in > three-quarters of an hour, can take up an old empty musket and bag his > grandmother every time, at a hundred." --Mark Twain > > PGP Public Key: available at http://www.armchaircommando.org/key.html > PGP Fingerprint: 1A59 BBB7 DF23 9FEC 5897 5C7B 7703 78FB CC33 6ABC > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-admin mailing list > MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin > _______________ Jeremy O'Leary Banging your head against a wall uses 150 calories an hour. From jeroen.clarysse at skynet.be Mon Apr 2 14:17:02 2001 From: jeroen.clarysse at skynet.be (jeroen) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:35 2005 Subject: IE References: <20010402140853.G306@anime.net> Message-ID: <000c01c0bbba$0c660e60$0300a8c0@P3> > : Other than we don't have a browser that renders much CSS or JavaScript, > : which are more than commonplace in most mainstream websites. It is > : embarrassing to have been waxing lyrical about the OS to PC-using > : friends only to be unable to browse the web 'properly' (I love OmniWeb, > : but too many sites are broken on it currently. hmm have you tried iCab ? I have eyt to encounter a website where iCab doesn't do the job for me.. then again, I'm not really a fan of big, flash-animated, heavily scripted websites... From eugene at anime.net Mon Apr 2 14:23:01 2001 From: eugene at anime.net (Eugene Lee) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:35 2005 Subject: Finder Services, was Re: ZIP for OSX In-Reply-To: <200104022107.OAA13065@swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net>; from lists@colorremedies.com on Mon, Apr 02, 2001 at 03:07:15PM -0600 References: <200104022107.OAA13065@swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20010402142346.J306@anime.net> On Mon, Apr 02, 2001 at 03:07:15PM -0600, Chris Murphy wrote: : : > The sad thing is that OpenUp also does zip, but since Finder : >doesn't support Services, you can't do it from it. :-( : : I assume this is because Finder is a Carbon application and not a Cocoa : application? Yes. But more specifically, Carbon does not support Services. Lots of NeXTSTEP/OPENSTEP folks (and a few Mac users) have been asking for Apple to add support. -- Eugene Lee eugene@anime.net From wdavis at mbcnet.com Mon Apr 2 14:43:26 2001 From: wdavis at mbcnet.com (Walter Davis) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:35 2005 Subject: Port 80 question In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20010330231503.01737f20@mail.eaw.com> Message-ID: "who" are you when you are restarting apache? Have you done sudo apachectl stop and sudo apachectl start? As far as I know, if you try to restart it as a normal user, it will complain. Also, I have never heard great things about apachectl restart -- it's always talked down in favor of stop and start. Walter On Friday, March 30, 2001, at 11:16 PM, Sean Correia wrote: > I am getting an "Address already in use" error when I restart apache. > > How can I get a list of what is using which ports? > > I am looking for the equivalent of fuser under Linux. > > Cheers, > Sean > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-admin mailing list > MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin > From bradyt at choiceconnect.com.au Mon Apr 2 14:58:21 2001 From: bradyt at choiceconnect.com.au (Terry Brady) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:35 2005 Subject: TN3270 Client? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200104022158.OAA01160@omnigroup.com> dataComet (www.databeast.com) runs just fine under Classic, and the author says a carbon version is in the works. I don't know for sure that it supports 3270 though - take a look. On Tuesday, April 3, 2001, at 12:27 AM, Ian Beatty wrote: > Greetings. > > Anybody know of a Telnet 3270 client that works relatively painlessly > on OS > X? > > Thanks, > > ..Ian > > -- --- -- --- -- --- -- --- -- --- -- --- -- --- -- --- -- --- -- --- -- > Dr. Ian Beatty beatty@physics.umass.edu > Physics Education Research Group voice: (413) 545-9483 > Department of Physics fax: (413) 545-4884 > Univ. of Massachusetts @ Amherst http://umperg.physics.umass.edu/IDB/ > Amherst, MA 01003-4525 USA > -- --- -- --- -- --- -- --- -- --- -- --- -- --- -- --- -- --- -- --- -- > > > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-admin mailing list > MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin > From david at idiomatrix.com Mon Apr 2 15:04:25 2001 From: david at idiomatrix.com (David Herren) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:35 2005 Subject: apache and HFS+ Message-ID: I recently added a RAID array to an OSXS 1.2 box, and moved user space over to an HFS+ partition of that array. I've encountered no problems with most user stuff (even samba shares of them), but I'm having some issues with serving web pages out of the "public_html" directory. (Yes, the apache.conf has been set for that instead of the brain dead, space including directory that's the default with 1.2...) I'm seeing permissions errors reported by apache and user's pages are unavailable in the ~username fashion. What am I missing here? Is this possible? Our primary web sites sit on a UFS partition and are working just fine after the addition of the RAID. /david -- david herren | In an Internet without walls, shoreham, vt | who needs Windows or Gates? From chuck at codefab.com Mon Apr 2 15:10:32 2001 From: chuck at codefab.com (Chuck Swiger) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:35 2005 Subject: apache and HFS+ In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200104022210.f32MAPN05047@tertius.codefab.com> On Mon, 2 Apr 2001 18:04:12 -0400, David Herren wrote: > What am I missing here? Is this possible? Our primary web sites sit on a > UFS partition and are working just fine after the addition of the RAID. Remember that Apache runs as the "nobody" user (or some facimile) which has very limited permissions. Make sure that every level of the filesystem hierarchy has read permissions [and execute for directories] enabled for "other". The exact error messages would help. -Chuck Chuck Swiger | chuck@codefab.com | All your packets are belong to us. -------------+-------------------+----------------------------------- I believe that what I'm feeling changes how the world appears. -Rush From joe at oldglory.com Mon Apr 2 15:25:51 2001 From: joe at oldglory.com (Joe Eckard) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:35 2005 Subject: CPU load Message-ID: Just wondering... what is eating up all the cpu cycles on my G4 running OS X Server 1.2? Right now, its a simple mail & web server that handles moderate traffic and the load averages are hovering around 5.3. I have a pentium 3 machine onsite running freebsd that handles twice that load and its averages are around 0.1. Is this simply because of the OS X GUI? Is 5.3 a low load average as far as OS X Server is concerned? Joe From chuck at codefab.com Mon Apr 2 15:34:33 2001 From: chuck at codefab.com (Chuck Swiger) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:35 2005 Subject: CPU load In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200104022234.f32MYQY05060@tertius.codefab.com> On Mon, 02 Apr 2001 18:25:39 -0400, Joe Eckard wrote: [ ... ] > Is this simply because of the OS X GUI? Probably not, but 'ps' and 'top' will help identify what actually is consuming CPU cycles. > Is 5.3 a low load average as far as OS X Server is concerned? The load average represents the "average number of processes which are runnable" over a particular internal. A machine which has a load average greater than the number of processors is CPU-bound. It's quite possible that your FreeBSD server is running mail in deferred delivery mode, which is significantly more efficient in terms of resources. FreeBSD handles high loads much better than almost any other OS does, including OS X. -Chuck Chuck Swiger | chuck@codefab.com | All your packets are belong to us. -------------+-------------------+----------------------------------- I believe that what I'm feeling changes how the world appears. -Rush From dluke at geeklair.net Mon Apr 2 15:35:25 2001 From: dluke at geeklair.net (Daniel J. Luke) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:35 2005 Subject: CPU load In-Reply-To: ; from joe@oldglory.com on Mon, Apr 02, 2001 at 06:25:39PM -0400 References: Message-ID: <20010402183442.A13051@geeklair.net> On Mon, Apr 02, 2001 at 06:25:39PM -0400, Joe Eckard wrote: > Is 5.3 a low load average as far as OS X Server is concerned? The load average is just wonky for Mac OS X Server 1.x (it's better in Mac OS X -- and so will probably be better in the new Mac OS X Server) 5.3 sounds about right, though. -- Daniel J. Luke +========================================================+ | *---------------- dluke@geeklair.net ----------------* | | *-------------- http://www.geeklair.net -------------* | +========================================================+ | Opinions expressed are mine and do not necessarily | | reflect the opinions of my employer. | +========================================================+ From aj at marketcircle.com Mon Apr 2 15:35:56 2001 From: aj at marketcircle.com (Alykhan Jetha) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:35 2005 Subject: My adventures with Netinfo and X - a summary Message-ID: Gang, Just thought I should share this. I had asked the list for suggestions on attaching X to an existing Netinfo server. It turns out that if you have an existing server and X does not automatically recognize it, you have to use the DirectorySetup app, select netinfo and tell it to attach to a specific server - something like: host: 192.168.0.2 tag: network A few things have changed from the old OpenStep 4.2 / OSXS 1.2 days: - There is a nifty new command line utility called nicl. This baby allows you to edit netinfo files directly -- something we couldn't easily do before. Previously you had to connect to a running server. Also the files itself seems to have changed format since nicl could not read raw nibd files from older implementations. - The location of the netinfo files have changed from /etc/netinfo to /var/db/ (Some of the man pages still refer to /etc/netinfo ) - There is no 'blank' template anymore (used to be in /usr/templates/client/etc/netinfo and was handy when you mucked up your netinfo db) - In NetinfoManager.app there is a new menu item called 'Manage Hierarchy'. Whatever you do, be very very careful what you do with those options. That, along with the fact that our netinfo server is running on SuSE 6.4 and thus not an Apple product caused me to destroy the entire network setup -- thank god for backups! After I figured out these tidbits, X integrates pretty nicely. We can log into our accounts from OSXS 1.2 & OSX, OSX automatically recognized our printers (HP 2100 and Lexmark Optra 1200) and printed to them without a problem. NFS mounts showed up in /Network/Servers/. Enjoy ... ./aj > Gang, > > Just installed OSX. To my surprise, there is no Netinfo pane in the Network > preferences. > > So my question is: How do I attach this new machine to my existing netinfo > network, do the appropriate mount stuff and continue on with my marry life?? > > I started Netinfo Manager, attempted to 'Manage Domains' ,but got lost in the > terminology. (The last time I touched our netinfo server (running on SuSE 6.4) > was a long long time ago, so I forget want I'm supposed to do) > > We haven't had any kinds of problems attaching OSX Server (1.2) and our setup > has been running problem free (our NeXT printer still works!!) > > > Confused ... From sanguish at digifix.com Mon Apr 2 16:19:15 2001 From: sanguish at digifix.com (Scott Anguish) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:35 2005 Subject: Finder Services, was Re: ZIP for OSX In-Reply-To: <200104022107.OAA13065@swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Message-ID: On Monday, April 2, 2001, at 05:07 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: >> The sad thing is that OpenUp also does zip, but since Finder >> doesn't support Services, you can't do it from it. :-( > > I assume this is because Finder is a Carbon application and not a Cocoa > application? > This would appear to be the reason that it isn't already implemented. Someone needs to add this to Carbon (or at the very least, have the interest to add it) From njriley at uiuc.edu Mon Apr 2 16:49:54 2001 From: njriley at uiuc.edu (Nicholas Riley) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:35 2005 Subject: Finder Services, was Re: ZIP for OSX In-Reply-To: ; from sanguish@digifix.com on Mon, Apr 02, 2001 at 07:18:20PM -0400 References: <200104022107.OAA13065@swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20010402200421.A16100@uiuc.edu> On Mon, Apr 02, 2001 at 07:18:20PM -0400, Scott Anguish wrote: > Someone needs to add this to Carbon (or at the very least, have the > interest to add it) It's not like this is an alien concept to the classic Mac OS, either - contextual menu plugins performed a very similar function under 9.x. It'd be interesting to try to map one to the other... (after subtracting the SOM dependencies). -- Nicholas Riley | From dev at humph.com Mon Apr 2 17:33:50 2001 From: dev at humph.com (Giuliano Gavazzi) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:35 2005 Subject: PCI nics compatible with X Message-ID: I looked in the archives but the following question seems unanswered (for MacOS X 10.0, not MacOSXS). Does anybody know for sure which network cards are compatible with MacOS X? And will a PC version work as well as a Mac specific? Thanks Giuliano -- H U M P H || ||| software Java & C++ Server/Client/Human Interface applications on MacOS - MacOS X http://www.humph.com/ -- H U M P H || ||| software Java & C++ Server/Client/Human Interface applications on MacOS - MacOS X http://www.humph.com/ From baughman at umr.edu Mon Apr 2 18:48:28 2001 From: baughman at umr.edu (Andrew Baughman) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:35 2005 Subject: IE In-Reply-To: <200104021911.MAA00759@outbox> Message-ID: <200104030148.UAA17418@mrelay.cc.umr.edu> In the many times I've used IE, it's done that only once, the second time I ran it. After that, it's worked fine, acting just like OS9's, letting me download and navigate at the same time. >> Secondly - when downloading files in IE - during downloads (which seem >> to come down fine) - I'm left with the coloured spinning ball and can't >> use IE to do anything else until the download has finished. Anyone >> else >> seeing this? > > I get it all the time. IE apparently doesn't do multithread very > well. This in combination with it being quite buggy makes it almost > unuseable. I prefer OmniWeb for the moment (or even a classic IE, which > runs just fine). > I hope M$ will be done soon. =================================================== Sent from the PowerMac G4/450 of: =================================================== Andrew C. Baughman E-mail: baughman@umr.edu http://www.umr.edu/~baughman =================================================== From obsidian_one at mac.com Mon Apr 2 19:14:55 2001 From: obsidian_one at mac.com (Robert Allen) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:35 2005 Subject: Configuration Errors/Warnings when trying to build and install PHP 4.0.4 In-Reply-To: <200104012259.PAA04221@spyhunter.maxify.com> Message-ID: <200104030214.TAA21740@snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Scott, Thanks for the info. You've helped me get past this sticking point. Now, do you or anyone else have any ideas on this new problem I've come across? I'm having trouble getting a clean compile. I'm guessing there may be some problem with my environment, but I don't know exactly what. When I run the 'make' command, it eventually terminates with these error(s): /usr/bin/ld: can't locate file for: -lgd make[1]: *** [libphp4.la] Error 1 make: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 I'm only guessing, but I think /usr/bin/ld refers to the 'ld' command. Running the manpage for 'ld' didn't give me much to go on, so I don't understand what 'can't locate file for: -lgd' is about or what to do about it. On Sunday, April 1, 2001, at 06:04 PM, Scott Stevenson wrote: > > On Saturday, March 31, 2001, at 01:08 PM, Robert Allen wrote: > >> I need help. I am trying to build and install PHP 4.0.4 with Apache >> 1.3.19 in Mac OS X GM. I was able to successfully build and install >> Apache, but when I ran ./configure for PHP, I got these warning/error >> messages: > > First off, for most people, Mac OS X's built-in Apache 1.3.14 is > probably fine. The advantages you gain probably aren't worth the hassle > if all you want to do is get PHP4 running. > ... > - Scott > > -- > Scott Stevenson > http://wildtofu.com/ > http://maxify.com/ From andyjw at raggedcastle.com Mon Apr 2 19:36:56 2001 From: andyjw at raggedcastle.com (Andy J. W. Affleck) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:35 2005 Subject: Airport + Ethernet? Message-ID: <200104030236.WAA89787@tribble.addy.com> In a few days I'll have a cube running OS X connected via an Airport card to my home network. I have an older HP Laser Writer 6MP which has AppleTalk but no Ethernet. Before I shell out $95 for a Farallon iPrint to give this printer 10BaseT capabilities, I want to make sure that I can plug that RJ-45 into the cube and be able to be on the Internet via Airport and print to the printer via AppleTalk. The sketchy-at-best online help leads me to believe that this can be done in OS X but I want to be sure before spending the money. Has anyone done this or can anyone confirm that this should, indeed, work? Thanks -A Andy J. Williams Affleck andyjw@raggedcastle.com http://www.raggedcastle.com/andyjw/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/enriched Size: 754 bytes Desc: not available Url : /mailman/archive/macosx-admin/attachments/20010402/36b1bbb6/attachment.bin From aj at marketcircle.com Mon Apr 2 20:34:27 2001 From: aj at marketcircle.com (Alykhan Jetha) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:35 2005 Subject: OSX & CVS -- Heeeeeeeelp -- please Message-ID: Gang, I'm totally puzzled by the inability to connect to our CVS pserver from OSX. The environment: - cvs pserver running on SuSE 6.4 (as root) (halibut build) Proven working clients: - OSX Server 1.2 (running codefab's halibut build) - Winblows (NT & 2000) (halibut build & WinCVS) - SuSE Linux - Mac OS (with MacCVS pro) - Solaris 2.7 (sparc) (running codefab's halibut build) CVS has been working flawlessly over the last 2 years. It continues to work just fine today (tested on above mentioned platforms). When I tried to connect using OSX (with cvs login) - I get an authentication failure (server rejected access) On OSX, I'm using the native cvs build (developer tools). CVSROOT environment variable is exactly the same on all platforms. Even if I copy .cvspass from one machine to OSX, it doesn't work. If I reboot the same machine into OSX Server, it works fine. The host with cvs pserver knows the OSX box. The OSX box is named in /etc/hostconfig. (same hostname as OSX Server) We built a little port listening app that listens on port 2401. I connected to it using OSX Server with cvs login and copied the contents of the communication. I then repeated the process with OSX (using the same machine). The exact same info is being sent to port 2401 (encrypted password characters and all). I'm at a total loss as to why I keep getting authentication failures ?????? Does anyone have any ideas?? Confounded aj .... :( From brianw at sounds.wa.com Mon Apr 2 21:32:09 2001 From: brianw at sounds.wa.com (Brian Willoughby) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:35 2005 Subject: NFS conventions for network design under Mac OS X Server 1.x (Rhapsody) Message-ID: <200104030432.f334W1601087@sounds.wa.com> Hello, I think I understood how things worked under NEXTSTEP as far as designing a network around NFS, but I am having some trouble with the (relatively) newer Mac OS X Server. My goal is to install certain applications only once, on my main server, and have additional machines mount the directories via NFS so that the applications are available to run on other machines. OpenBase seems to allow for this, but programming their setup utility to allow for installation in either /Local or /Network. My question is: how do you share these binaries after installing in /Network What doesn't work is this: building /Network on your server and then mounting this over /Network on each client. The reason this doesn't work is that /Network/Servers is a special directory for automounted servers, and it goes away when you mount over /Network. This leads me to believe that one should individually mount each subdirectory of /Network separately. But it seems unwieldy to mount /Network/Administration, /Network/Applications, /Network/Developer, /Network/Documentation, /Network/Library, /Network/Public, and /Network/Users What's the smoothest way to do this? It also seems to me that the server should always have applications installed in /Local, and then clients always mount the NFS directory(s) in /Network. This would allow NetInfo to define entry(s) in /mounts for all machines, even the server (since the server won't mind mounting its own /Local over /Network, while it would be bad news if the applications were already in Network). Anyway, my network design is not seeming intuitive after looking at NeXT and Apple's directory structure, so any help would be appreciated. All of the NetInfo and NFS tutorials I've seen cover the pre-Rhapsody days, so nothing mentions how to manage /Local and /Network. Thanks for any help or opinions, especially from those of you who have something in place that is working well. Brian Willoughby Sound Consulting From sanguish at digifix.com Mon Apr 2 22:01:20 2001 From: sanguish at digifix.com (Scott Anguish) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:35 2005 Subject: Finder Services, was Re: ZIP for OSX In-Reply-To: <20010402200421.A16100@uiuc.edu> Message-ID: On Monday, April 2, 2001, at 09:04 PM, Nicholas Riley wrote: > On Mon, Apr 02, 2001 at 07:18:20PM -0400, Scott Anguish wrote: >> Someone needs to add this to Carbon (or at the very least, have the >> interest to add it) > > It's not like this is an alien concept to the classic Mac OS, either - > contextual menu plugins performed a very similar function under 9.x. > It'd be interesting to try to map one to the other... (after > subtracting the SOM dependencies). > Aside from operating on a given selection, I don't see the similarity. Services actually launch apps and interact with them (as opposed to say, loading a resource into it's own space).. The can return values and alter the current selection. (CMM's maybe able to do that too) From sanguish at digifix.com Mon Apr 2 22:02:10 2001 From: sanguish at digifix.com (Scott Anguish) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:35 2005 Subject: Configuration Errors/Warnings when trying to build and install PHP 4.0.4 In-Reply-To: <200104030214.TAA21740@snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Message-ID: On Monday, April 2, 2001, at 06:55 AM, Robert Allen wrote: > Scott, > > Thanks for the info. You've helped me get past this sticking point. > Now, do you or anyone else have any ideas on this new problem I've come > across? I'm having trouble getting a clean compile. I'm guessing there > may be some problem with my environment, but I don't know exactly what. > When I run the 'make' command, it eventually terminates with these > error(s): > > /usr/bin/ld: can't locate file for: -lgd > make[1]: *** [libphp4.la] Error 1 > make: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 > You've turned on gd support, but don't have the gd stuff compiled and installed on your machine From brianw at sounds.wa.com Mon Apr 2 22:05:31 2001 From: brianw at sounds.wa.com (Brian Willoughby) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:35 2005 Subject: CPU load In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200104030505.f3355C601154@sounds.wa.com> Joe, [ Just wondering... what is eating up all the cpu cycles on my G4 [ running OS X Server 1.2? [ [ Right now, its a simple mail & web server that handles moderate [ traffic and the load averages are hovering around 5.3. I have a [ pentium 3 machine onsite running freebsd that handles twice that [ load and its averages are around 0.1. [ [ Is this simply because of the OS X GUI? [ [ Is 5.3 a low load average as far as OS X Server is concerned? Your hunch that it's the GUI may be right. My "console" Server G4 500 has only been running for a couple of hours (I only turn it on when I need it), and it has a Load average of 4.99 Meanwhile, my headless Server G4 500 has been up since Feb 21 running apache, 4 WebObjects apps, cvs, Time Server, NetInfo and NFS, but no sendmail, and has a Load average of only 1.39 Perhaps the longer time span affected the lower Load average, or it really is the fact that no monitor or keyboard are attached. I just confirmed that the WindowServer is not running on the headless machine. Brian Willoughby Sound Consulting From njriley at uiuc.edu Mon Apr 2 22:14:25 2001 From: njriley at uiuc.edu (Nicholas Riley) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:35 2005 Subject: Finder Services, was Re: ZIP for OSX In-Reply-To: ; from sanguish@digifix.com on Tue, Apr 03, 2001 at 01:01:17AM -0400 References: <20010402200421.A16100@uiuc.edu> Message-ID: <20010403012856.A17835@uiuc.edu> On Tue, Apr 03, 2001 at 01:01:17AM -0400, Scott Anguish wrote: > Aside from operating on a given selection, I don't see the similarity. > > Services actually launch apps and interact with them (as opposed to > say, loading a resource into it's own space).. The can return values and > alter the current selection. (CMM's maybe able to do that too) Yup, CMMs can do all that, but I see the point regarding them launching another application. It's a lot cleaner of a model. -- Nicholas Riley | From jmpalacios at mac.com Mon Apr 2 22:35:41 2001 From: jmpalacios at mac.com (Juan Manuel Palacios) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:35 2005 Subject: MacWorld Expo Message-ID: Hello fellows, I've been very curious since yesterday night when I saw some software updates press releases in some pages (don't exactly remember which ones) and I was wondering if anyone could clarify something out for me here. The problem is that I read that this updates (like Photoshop's, Illustrator's, Quark's, etc.) would be introduced in New York's MacWorld Expo in either June or July. Since I didn't exactly remember the date I looked through the Apple page to find some info on such a big event but to my huge surprise I didn't come up with anything!. I used their search engine, their Hot News section and anything else you can think of and found nothing. I even browsed through MacWorld's page but again to no avail. And I know those news were referring to some event in this year 2001 because the updates are supposedly meant for Mac OS X compatibility. I'm saying this because I did find a lot on previous New York expos... Can anyone more informed than me enlighten me please?, I would really love to make it to that expo if it's really going to take place. Or in the other hand I would like to know, if not New York, where is the next expo going to be. Thank you all... Juan Manuel Palacios From scott at maxify.com Mon Apr 2 22:52:59 2001 From: scott at maxify.com (Scott Stevenson) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:35 2005 Subject: MacWorld Expo In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200104030547.WAA08173@spyhunter.maxify.com> On Monday, April 2, 2001, at 10:32 PM, Juan Manuel Palacios wrote: > The problem is that I read that this updates (like Photoshop's, > Illustrator's, Quark's, etc.) would be introduced in New York's MacWorld > Expo in either June or July. I don't think any of the apps you mention have been slated with release dates on OSX. Steve Jobs has talked about a large amount of native apps coming out in the summer, however. - Scott -- Scott Stevenson http://wildtofu.com/ http://maxify.com/ From cwolf at wolfware.com Mon Apr 2 22:53:10 2001 From: cwolf at wolfware.com (Christopher Wolf) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:36 2005 Subject: [OFF]Archiving In-Reply-To: Message-ID: *This message was transferred with a trial version of CommuniGate(tm) Pro* On Monday, April 2, 2001, at 08:25 AM, j o a r wrote: > *This message was transferred with a trial version of CommuniGate(tm) > Pro* > > On m?ndag, april 2, 2001, at 05:00 , Christopher Wolf wrote: > >> Not so... use ditto. It can handle both flat and multi-fork files, >> UFS and HFS+ and permissions correctly. > > Cool if it is true! ie. can you use it to back up a whole partition > with X user directories and OS 9 applications to an other volume and > back - and have it working? Works for me. Can even be used to ditto things to a read-write .dmg and then you get a single-file double-clickable archive. (See the list archives or the article on Stepwise for info on creating a .dmg under X) > Is this true? (from the man page) > > Ditto currently requires that you must be logged in as > root to run it. Depends on the permissions of whatever you're trying to back up and restore. In any case sudo works equally well in this case as far as I can tell. - Chris > > ??? > > Regards, > > j o a r > > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-admin mailing list > MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin From torrey at mrcla.com Mon Apr 2 23:02:21 2001 From: torrey at mrcla.com (Torrey Lyons) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:36 2005 Subject: Xfree86 was:No spring loaded folders?? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200104030602.CAA09498@renown.cnchost.com> On Sunday, April 1, 2001, at 04:40 PM, Frank Garcia wrote: > As I sit here watching "make World" run for the third time this > weekend... > I've been looking for info on setting up Xfree86 with the retail > version of > OSX. I had it working under PB with XMaster, but now it doesn't build > xinit. > I did a clean install (hd format) of OSX on the same partition I had PB > on. > I've updated my source tree to 4.0.3. Are the instructions for PB from > XonX > still valid or is there some key element missing there? For the record, XFree86 4.0.3, as released, doesn't build correctly on Mac OS X Final. I will soon be updating the instructions on the XonX page for Final. To build XFree86 "4.0.3" you should build from the top of the stable branch, "xf-4_0_2-branch". This branch includes XFree86 4.0.3 plus a few minor bug fixes (including the ability to build on Mac OS X Final) put in after the 4.0.3 release. On Sunday, April 1, 2001, at 06:03 PM, Nicholas Riley wrote: > It's slow - as in you can see an xterm as it draws - but it works. > Strangely (perhaps accurately), it doesn't seem to be any faster if I > use X without the Quartz windowserver running. Accurately. :-) Neither the Quartz or IOKit modes use hardware acceleration. Both modes draw directly to the framebuffer. --Torrey From marcel at bresink.de Tue Apr 3 01:13:14 2001 From: marcel at bresink.de (Marcel Bresink) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:36 2005 Subject: AppleShare volumes not under Network. Why not? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200104030812.KAA06941@mayim.bresink.net> > I understand (or think I understand :-) that "Network" is primarily for > NFS mounted remote directories etc. This all works nice (well at least > it did in OS X Server 1.0, I haven't gotten around to installing Webmin > to try it on OS X as yet). > > My problem is that NFS mounts seem to be treated differently than > AppleShare volumes which seem to only appear on the desktop. Wouldn't > it be more consistent if they appeared under Network as well (and as > well as on the Desktop)? There are two different things to consider here: A network mount is displayed in "/Network" if it is automounted, it appears at its mount point when it is statically mounted. OS X differentiates between the two cases by looking whether the "net" option has been specified for the mount entry: All "net" mounts will be handled by automount, all other entries are handled by "mount -a" at boot time. So the administrator can easily control what mounts appear where and there can be good reason to not display a mount under "Network". The other thing is that AppleShare AFP mounts really behave different than NFS mounts and it could be considered user-friendly to make that difference clear in the user interface. NFS mounts are "real" client/server connections: Server and client have to share a common security model for users and groups, so the mount itself can be done anonymously, the server has always control on individual file permissions. This way it is possible to do NFS mounts before the actual login, which enables you to put home directories on NFS servers. When using an AFP mount, you also have client and server but on the permission level the connection is handled on a peer-to-peer basis: The mount has to be done by the _user_ and there is an explicit authorization for each connection. You could say each mount is "owned" by the account that was used for the AFP connection. This account needs _not_ to be known on the client side. The server will map the "mount owner" to the client's login account. So an AFP mount behaves like a removable disk. It's only consequent to handle it this way in the Finder. Marcel -- Dr. Marcel Bresink, Ringstr. 21, 56630 Kretz, Germany Fon: +49-2632-953150 Fax: -953151 http://www.bresink.de/ From marcel at bresink.de Tue Apr 3 01:14:59 2001 From: marcel at bresink.de (Marcel Bresink) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:36 2005 Subject: mounts and fstab (was: lost home icons) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200104030814.KAA07498@mayim.bresink.net> erik wrote: > /etc/fstab > > containig the following line: > /dev/disk0s12 /Users hfs rw 1 2 > > see the file /etc/fstab.hd for how to write it. you can get the > disk/partition device-"code" with issueing the "df" command in shell. > > this will mount the local disk/partition at the directory /Users very > early in startup process, before autodiskmount (in the Disks > StartupItem) mounts it to the default at /Volumes/Users. At first I couldn't believe that, because this should actually NOT work. ;-) But you are right, Mac OS X 10.0 really respects entries in /etc/fstab. This is completely different from all earlier versions of OSX and it's not consistent with documentation: The OS should read its mount entries from NetInfo, /etc/fstab should be consulted only if you enable flat file lookups via lookupd's FFAgent. When you send an "allMounts" query to lookupd it behaves "correctly", the fstab entries are ignored. Also, when I make getfsent() calls, fstab entries still are not seen. But nevertheless, the mount is actually done at boot time, in fact it's even done twice: One autodiskmount entry in /Volumes, and an additional mount according to fstab. Does anybody know what's going on here? Is this a bug or a feature? Marcel -- Dr. Marcel Bresink, Ringstr. 21, 56630 Kretz, Germany Fon: +49-2632-953150 Fax: -953151 http://www.bresink.de/ From brianw at sounds.wa.com Tue Apr 3 01:51:28 2001 From: brianw at sounds.wa.com (Brian Willoughby) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:36 2005 Subject: mounts and fstab (was: lost home icons) In-Reply-To: <200104030814.KAA07498@mayim.bresink.net> References: <200104030814.KAA07498@mayim.bresink.net> Message-ID: <200104030851.f338pK601631@sounds.wa.com> I believe that OSX MUST honor the /etc/fstab at early boot time, because NetInfo starts quite late in the boot process, and the kernel needs somewhere to look if it is going to mount much of anything. I seem to remember that NEXTSTEP and OPENSTEP worked this way, but I cannot accurately comment on your claim that this is completely different from earlier versions. All of my old NEXTSTEP machines have multiple volumes because of the small size of hard drives in those days, and the 2 GB partition limitation of BSD 4.3's FFS. My first Rhapsody machine had 6 GB, which I allocated to Rhapsody in one giant partition, so I have yet to need to mount even a second partition (other than HFS+, which sort of doesn't count for critical Unix functions in my setup). Anyway, what you've observed seems to make logical sense from the NEXTSTEP point of view. I'd actually be surprised if this wasn't also working in older Mac OS X - did you actually test? Perhaps the new Darwin kernel started out without this "feature" and now finally has it... Brian Willoughby Sound Consulting Begin forwarded message: > /dev/disk0s12 /Users hfs rw 1 2 > > this will mount the local disk/partition at the directory /Users very > early in startup process, before autodiskmount (in the Disks > StartupItem) mounts it to the default at /Volumes/Users. At first I couldn't believe that, because this should actually NOT work. ;-) But you are right, Mac OS X 10.0 really respects entries in /etc/fstab. This is completely different from all earlier versions of OSX and it's not consistent with documentation: The OS should read its mount entries from NetInfo, /etc/fstab should be consulted only if you enable flat file lookups via lookupd's FFAgent. When you send an "allMounts" query to lookupd it behaves "correctly", the fstab entries are ignored. Also, when I make getfsent() calls, fstab entries still are not seen. But nevertheless, the mount is actually done at boot time, in fact it's even done twice: One autodiskmount entry in /Volumes, and an additional mount according to fstab. Does anybody know what's going on here? Is this a bug or a feature? Marcel From steve.harman at camb-antibody.co.uk Tue Apr 3 04:55:24 2001 From: steve.harman at camb-antibody.co.uk (Steve Harman) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:36 2005 Subject: Not quite Spring Loaded windows... Message-ID: ...but... Has everyone seen http://www.madoverlord.com/projects/popupx.t Pop Up folders for OSX ! Steve From jkeenan at apple.com Tue Apr 3 05:01:06 2001 From: jkeenan at apple.com (Joe Keenan) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:36 2005 Subject: mounts and fstab (was: lost home icons) In-Reply-To: <200104030814.KAA07498@mayim.bresink.net> Message-ID: <200104031200.FAA03692@scv3.apple.com> On Tuesday, April 3, 2001, at 04:14 AM, Marcel Bresink wrote: > erik wrote: > >> /etc/fstab >> >> containig the following line: >> /dev/disk0s12 /Users hfs rw 1 2 >> >> see the file /etc/fstab.hd for how to write it. you can get the >> disk/partition device-"code" with issueing the "df" command in shell. >> >> this will mount the local disk/partition at the directory /Users very >> early in startup process, before autodiskmount (in the Disks >> StartupItem) mounts it to the default at /Volumes/Users. > > At first I couldn't believe that, because this should actually > NOT work. ;-) But you are right, Mac OS X 10.0 really respects > entries in /etc/fstab. This is correct. Look in /etc/rc. Mounts in /etc/fstab of type ufs or hfs will be mounted at boot time. Mounts of type nfs will not - they need to be in NetInfo. This is necessary to get local disks/partitions mounted, in case you're trying to export them. Or you might have /Library on a second disk. Or /Users. It's been this way as far as I can recall, except that support for hfs disks came relatively late. joe From dan.burger at the-chapel.org Tue Apr 3 05:41:12 2001 From: dan.burger at the-chapel.org (Dan Burger) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:36 2005 Subject: VPN connection Message-ID: Greetings, Has anyone successfully used Mac OSX final as a VPN client using either an IPSEC connection, or a PPTP? I found a PPTP client on Stepwise for OSX PB, but I can?t get it to function with the final. It seems the final does not have pppd? If anyone has any suggestions, I would appreciate it. Regards, Dan Burger System Specialist The Chapel -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /mailman/archive/macosx-admin/attachments/20010403/e7f5c010/attachment.html From marcel at bresink.de Tue Apr 3 08:15:02 2001 From: marcel at bresink.de (Marcel Bresink) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:36 2005 Subject: mounts and fstab (was: lost home icons) In-Reply-To: <200104031200.FAA03692@scv3.apple.com> Message-ID: <200104031514.RAA20686@mayim.bresink.net> Thanks for all your comments. I should have been more specific with the "did not work in earlier versions" claim. This works in OSX, including Public Beta, but it did not work in Mac OS X Server 1.x and some DP systems. And of course it works in NEXTSTEP and OPENSTEP where I've used fstabs myself for years... ;-) To sum it up, the explanation is as follows: If NetInfo is not running, getfsent() reads the actual fstab, so at early boot time "mount" will respect UFS and HFS entries in the /etc/fstab file. Later on in the boot process, nibindd is started and the fstab is replaced by its NetInfo counterpart. This means if FFAgent is inactive, you really will be unable to unmount a partition and then mount it back via "mount -a", because at _that_ time, getfsent() will honor the lookup order of the lookup daemon and does not find the /etc/fstab entries. autodiskmount will correctly ignore already mounted partitions, but the Finder will still present them as "volumes" using the former partition labels. Marcel -- Dr. Marcel Bresink, Ringstr. 21, 56630 Kretz, Germany Fon: +49-2632-953150 Fax: -953151 http://www.bresink.de/ From nathan.willard at yale.edu Tue Apr 3 08:18:14 2001 From: nathan.willard at yale.edu (Radar O'Reilly) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:36 2005 Subject: MacWorld Expo In-Reply-To: Message-ID: There have been some staffing changes and office relocation at Mactivity, the group that puts on the Expo. This has likely led to the delays in getting the new information out, but there will certainly be an expo, and the dates should be on the macworld expo website. __________/| Nathan "Radar" Willard MC '00 | "A Sucking Chest Wound is (_|__|_____\|________ PO Box 203927 | nature's way of telling |_|_____________)- New Haven, CT 06520 | you to slow down." From beatty at physics.umass.edu Tue Apr 3 08:46:58 2001 From: beatty at physics.umass.edu (Ian Beatty) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:36 2005 Subject: TN3270 Client? In-Reply-To: <0GB600FI5QBV3X@supai.oit.umass.edu> Message-ID: On 4/2/01 5:56 PM, Terry Brady is reputed to have said: > dataComet (www.databeast.com) runs just fine under Classic, and the > author says a carbon version is in the works. I don't know for sure that > it supports 3270 though - take a look. The web description claims 3270 support, so when (if) the carbon version comes out, it should be a good solution. Thanks for the pointer. ..Ian -- --- -- --- -- --- -- --- -- --- -- --- -- --- -- --- -- --- -- --- -- Dr. Ian Beatty beatty@physics.umass.edu Physics Education Research Group voice: (413) 545-9483 Department of Physics fax: (413) 545-4884 Univ. of Massachusetts @ Amherst http://umperg.physics.umass.edu/IDB/ Amherst, MA 01003-4525 USA -- --- -- --- -- --- -- --- -- --- -- --- -- --- -- --- -- --- -- --- -- From hevans at morrice.com Tue Apr 3 09:13:53 2001 From: hevans at morrice.com (Hugh Evans) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:36 2005 Subject: LDAP In-Reply-To: <20010402142346.J306@anime.net> References: <200104022107.OAA13065@swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net> <20010402142346.J306@anime.net> Message-ID: My users are asking for a company wide address book. I assume LDAP is the most "open" system. I currently have a OSX Server box running WO and Apache and thought I could use this box. Is there a "how to / FAQ on LDAP & OSX Server" available. It would be really neat if users could query their addresses etc. from a web page... It would also be nice if my users could sync their Palm's with said LDAP server. Any thoughts or pointers would be appreciated. Regards, Hugh Evans -- From uli at ritual.org Tue Apr 3 09:49:31 2001 From: uli at ritual.org (Uli Zappe) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:36 2005 Subject: Disappearing home Message-ID: <14kTzE-137q9gC@fmrl03.sul.t-online.com> Am Samstag, M?rz 24, 2001, um 04:27 PM, schrieb Nicholas Shanks: > BTW: how do i get manual entries when more than one varient of a command > exists, eg command(1), command(3), command(8) etc. man 3 command, man 8 command, man 1 command = man command Bye Uli ________________________________________________________ Uli Zappe uli@ritual.org Lorscher Stra?e 5 http://www.ritual.org D-60489 Frankfurt Fon: +49-700-ULIZAPPE Germany Fax: +49-700-ZAPPEFAX ________________________________________________________ From prie at abl.com Tue Apr 3 09:54:26 2001 From: prie at abl.com (Paul Tod Rieger) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:36 2005 Subject: arp command locking ssh ?? References: Message-ID: <004f01c0bc5e$bd784f20$0404a8c0@abl.com> "Paul Libbrecht" wrote: > Oh, I found a trick which made it fantastically quick... > Restricting the subnet mask... switched from 255.255.255.0 to > 255.255.255.248 (thereby only have the last three bits representing > the subnet)... turned out to be awesome !! Yes, that is good to know. It's also interesting because it seems to point towards some problems in OS X's low-level networking. This would explain why tcpdump crashes on a moderately busy network, sometimes taking the whole system down with it (panic/error messages start scrolling over the GUI). Also, ping scans with nmap (insecure.org) seem flakey while its TCP scans work OK. Has anyone else noticed similar problems? Tod abl.com From lists at colorremedies.com Tue Apr 3 10:07:09 2001 From: lists at colorremedies.com (Chris Murphy) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:36 2005 Subject: performance (again) Message-ID: <200104031705.KAA08578@hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net> http://www.macintouch.com/mosxreaderreports8.html Read the second entry titled: MacOS X disappointing multitasking vs. Windows I stopped using IE 5.1 yesterday and in fact this machine is about 20% faster overall. Previously I would have IE 5.1 running in the background, and possibly even icab or Omniweb as well just because of how crappy the performance of IE 5.1. Now that I'm not using IE 5.1 - things are MUCH MUCH better. Who to blame for this is more complicated. To what degree can we blame an application for hogging system resources on this OS? ON Mac OS 9 we blamed the offending application 100% because the operating system had no say in the matter. Applications had to be well behaved and had to cooperate or the whole idea of running the app fails. With OS X, one would think this shouldn't happen to the degree it causes THIS MUCH of a performance penalty and then I got to thinking. Task priority. Who sets the default task priority for an application? When I type: renice 5 PID where PID is IE 5.1, the default priority for IE 5.1 is 0!!!! It's any wonder my machine is so frickin slow. Whenever IE 5.1 wants resources, it gets more priority than anything less than it. I just used renice on System Preferences, TextEdit, Finder, Classic, Terminal and Sherlock and all of them are set to 0. I have yet to find a single application that has a priority other than 0. So if they are all 0 then NONE of them has more priority than any other process. It makes me wonder if task priority is being implemented at all in this OS. After typing: renice 20 PID where again PID is IE 5.1, I have yet to notice any real difference in either overall performance of the system, or that of IE 5.1. Chris Murphy Color Remedies (tm) Boulder, CO 303-415-9932 From dluke at geeklair.net Tue Apr 3 10:11:05 2001 From: dluke at geeklair.net (Daniel J. Luke) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:36 2005 Subject: [Mac OSX] performance (again) In-Reply-To: <200104031705.KAA08578@hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net>; from lists@colorremedies.com on Tue, Apr 03, 2001 at 11:05:43AM -0600 References: <200104031705.KAA08578@hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20010403131100.E16228@geeklair.net> On Tue, Apr 03, 2001 at 11:05:43AM -0600, Chris Murphy wrote: > renice 5 PID where PID is IE 5.1, the default priority for IE 5.1 is > 0!!!! It's any wonder my machine is so frickin slow. Whenever IE 5.1 > wants resources, it gets more priority than anything less than it. I just > used renice on System Preferences, TextEdit, Finder, Classic, Terminal > and Sherlock and all of them are set to 0. nice/renice don't do anything in Darwin/Mac OS X. There is a bug report that describes this on Apple's Darwin bug-tracking page. If this bothers you (and I think it should), it would be a good idea to send feedback to Apple so they can fix this. (I want to be able to run setiathome with a -nice 19 :-) ). -- Daniel J. Luke +========================================================+ | *---------------- dluke@geeklair.net ----------------* | | *-------------- http://www.geeklair.net -------------* | +========================================================+ | Opinions expressed are mine and do not necessarily | | reflect the opinions of my employer. | +========================================================+ From lists at colorremedies.com Tue Apr 3 10:14:45 2001 From: lists at colorremedies.com (Chris Murphy) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:36 2005 Subject: performance (again) Message-ID: <200104031714.KAA24035@albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net> http://www.macintouch.com/mosxreaderreports8.html Scroll down to: Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2001 22:07:22 -0700 From: Rob Terrell Subject: Mac OS X Speed Report Here is the important point of the article: He made two applications. One for OS 9 and one for Carbon. OS9 app = 10 seconds Carbon app on OS 9 = 12 seconds Carbon app on OS X = 102 seconds With the exact same code (exact same application) running it on OS X is *TEN* times slower. Forcing it to run in Classic on X is even faster. He didn't say if this was a G3 or G4. Chris Murphy Color Remedies (tm) Boulder, CO 303-415-9932 From aj at marketcircle.com Tue Apr 3 10:21:39 2001 From: aj at marketcircle.com (Alykhan Jetha) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:36 2005 Subject: SOLVED! - Re: OSX & CVS -- Heeeeeeeelp -- please In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I knew it would something totally stupid! Thanks to responses (Bill, Steve, Guillaume) to my desperate plea, I figured out the culprit. On all *internal* platforms, the CVSROOT was as follows: CVSROOT = :pserver:@max:/mnt/CVS_REPO Remember, this works fine on all platform - even Mac OS 8.6 and Winblows. Changing to the following environment variable solved the problem: CVSROOT = :pserver:@max.marketcircle.com:/mnt/CVS_REPO Notice the entire domain name for the cvs host instead of the just the hostname. I'm totally puzzled as to why this is working because the authentication where getting to the host before, but hey, I'm not complaining :) Thanks everyone -- this list rocks!!! ./aj on 4/2/01 11:33 PM, I wrote: > Gang, > > I'm totally puzzled by the inability to connect to our CVS pserver from OSX. > > The environment: > - cvs pserver running on SuSE 6.4 (as root) (halibut build) > > Proven working clients: > - OSX Server 1.2 (running codefab's halibut build) > - Winblows (NT & 2000) (halibut build & WinCVS) > - SuSE Linux > - Mac OS (with MacCVS pro) > - Solaris 2.7 (sparc) (running codefab's halibut build) > > CVS has been working flawlessly over the last 2 years. It continues to work > just fine today (tested on above mentioned platforms). > > When I tried to connect using OSX (with cvs login) - I get an authentication > failure (server rejected access) > > On OSX, I'm using the native cvs build (developer tools). > > CVSROOT environment variable is exactly the same on all platforms. > > Even if I copy .cvspass from one machine to OSX, it doesn't work. > > If I reboot the same machine into OSX Server, it works fine. > > The host with cvs pserver knows the OSX box. > > The OSX box is named in /etc/hostconfig. (same hostname as OSX Server) > > We built a little port listening app that listens on port 2401. I connected > to it using OSX Server with cvs login and copied the contents of the > communication. I then repeated the process with OSX (using the same > machine). The exact same info is being sent to port 2401 (encrypted password > characters and all). > > I'm at a total loss as to why I keep getting authentication failures ?????? > > > Does anyone have any ideas?? > > > Confounded aj .... :( From dluke at geeklair.net Tue Apr 3 10:33:53 2001 From: dluke at geeklair.net (Daniel J. Luke) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:36 2005 Subject: [Mac OSX] re: performance (again) In-Reply-To: <200104031714.KAA24035@albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net>; from lists@colorremedies.com on Tue, Apr 03, 2001 at 11:14:25AM -0600 References: <200104031714.KAA24035@albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20010403133347.F16228@geeklair.net> On Tue, Apr 03, 2001 at 11:14:25AM -0600, Chris Murphy wrote: > With the exact same code (exact same application) running it on OS X is > *TEN* times slower. Forcing it to run in Classic on X is even faster. If you'd like, I can write an applictation that only excercises a small part of Mac OS X and have it run 10 times faster than on Mac OS 9 ;-) -- Daniel J. Luke +========================================================+ | *---------------- dluke@geeklair.net ----------------* | | *-------------- http://www.geeklair.net -------------* | +========================================================+ | Opinions expressed are mine and do not necessarily | | reflect the opinions of my employer. | +========================================================+ From uli at ritual.org Tue Apr 3 10:51:56 2001 From: uli at ritual.org (Uli Zappe) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:36 2005 Subject: Developer.pkg not installable on UFS? Message-ID: <14kUxn-0uV01wC@fmrl03.sul.t-online.com> Hi, I'm confronted with yet another problem with installing the Mac OS X developer tools from the CD. When I start the Developer.pkg in Installer app, everything runs fine until just before the end of the "Installation" phase, when it says "Running Installer Script". As soon as these words appears, *nothing* happens anymore, no disk usage, no CPU time, and the app hangs around forever. I've tried running Developer.pkg from CD-ROM, as well as copying it to the hard disk and running it from there; no difference. This is on a vanilla Mac OS X installation - without Classic/MacOS 9.1 beneath it - on a G4 Cube with 576 MB RAM and an UFS formatted disk. To cross-check, I have now tried to install from the same CD onto my iBook, which has MacOS 9.1 installed, and Mac OS X over it, on a HFS+ formatted disk. Here, the Installer works without any problems. Does anybody have any idea what's happening and how to cure it? I can't imagine that installing Developer.pkg is only possible on a HFS+ disk with MacOS 9.1 beneath it (there had been no problems with Public Beta Developer, after all). Bye Uli ________________________________________________________ Uli Zappe uli@ritual.org Lorscher Stra?e 5 http://www.ritual.org D-60489 Frankfurt Fon: +49-700-ULIZAPPE Germany Fax: +49-700-ZAPPEFAX ________________________________________________________ From emoy at apple.com Tue Apr 3 10:53:33 2001 From: emoy at apple.com (Edward Moy) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:36 2005 Subject: Rsync fails to write In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200104031753.KAA02941@scv1.apple.com> On Monday, April 2, 2001, at 07:16 AM, Paul Libbrecht wrote: > At 5:38 PM -0800 3/29/01, Edward Moy wrote: >> On Thursday, March 29, 2001, at 01:36 AM, Paul Libbrecht wrote: >> >>> Does anyone play with rsync around here ? >>> This is a real nifty tool, other linuxers here use CVS for this same >>> purpose, which is crazy for space an transmission speed. >>> >>> Thing is, I can't manage to have rsync to write, it can never write the >>> temporary files... Anyone has experience with this ?? This is still run >>> as root, and uid and gid are set properly... >> >> I use rsync all the time, though only between Mac OS X machine (ie, I've >> not tried a linux machine in the mix). I'm not sure what you mean by >> writing the temporary files, unless you're saying that rsync writes temp >> files before renaming them to the original. >> >> Can you give more information about your setup (if you changed some >> configuration, etc), what command you used and the actual error message >> you got? > > No configuration is changed: just set up rsyncd.conf with two modules > with one same user on it (referred to by name, not by id) and a secrets > file. > > Now, to read data (i.e. rsync remote to local), everything works fine. > However to rsync upwards (rsync localPath remote::something), the rsync > launched process needs to write things and it seems it cannot, it doesn't > have the necessary priviledges to write some XXXtheFileName.temp, a > temporary file probably created before actually writing the files. The only thing that comes to mind is this possible scenario. I don't know how it actually operates, but suppose that rsyncd stays running as root rather than becoming the user. This is how some ftp server work, and they have similar problems. And suppose you have a volume that is not writable by root, but writable by the user. This could be a NFS mount with root permission turned off or (as in my past days) an Andrew File System, where root doesn't have write permission either. The rsyncd server tests to see if the user has write access, who does, but when it tries to actually write the file as root, it fails. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Edward Moy Apple Computer, Inc. emoy@apple.com (This message is from me as a reader of this list, and not a statement from Apple.) From lists at colorremedies.com Tue Apr 3 10:55:31 2001 From: lists at colorremedies.com (Chris Murphy) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:36 2005 Subject: performance (again) Message-ID: <200104031755.KAA05952@avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net> >If you'd like, I can write an applictation that only excercises a small >part of Mac OS X and have it run 10 times faster than on Mac OS 9 ;-) 1. Is that small part something that we do 50 times a day on a regular basis? Opening windows and using the Finder is something that's real world. It just illustrates to me that Carbon on OS X is not working correctly when the exact same code is so much faster on OS 9 and even in Classic than it is using OS X's Carbon libraries. 2. Is that small part something that was designed to work on both OS 9 and OS X? 3. Is it GUI related? I see all kinds of aspects of this OS where it has much better performance than OS 9, but none of it is at the GUI level. So far I have yet to see OS X outperform OS 9 when it comes to GUI. It makes *NO SENSE* that OS 9 apps run as fast or faster (except maybe for application launch time) on OS X, but Carbon and Cocoa apps have such terrible performance at the GUI level - UNLESS you conclude there is something that just isn't right yet with OS X (i.e. there is a problem, this isn't the way it's supposed to be, it will likely get fixed it's just a matter of time, hopefully). I no longer buy Scott Stevenson's argument that this OS is just doing a whole lot more work and does more stuff and that's why it's slower (sorry Scott). It's still doing all that "more stuff" while Classic apps are running yet their performance seems unaffected. It doesn't take that much processing power to open a folder or drag a file to the trash or move a window. Yes a 250Mhz G3 is slow compared to a G4 which is why a G4 is likely masking this problem (or perhaps it just doesn't have it since Quartz uses Velocity Engine entirely), but when you look at the amount of data a 250Mhz G3 is pushing with properly optimized code (talk to SETI about this), it is NOT THIS SLOW. Between slow Finder performance, slow windowing performance, and lack of logical task priorities makes this release very questionable in usability on extremely reasonable hardware. No it's not a G4 but Apple has been blaming performance on the OS, telling us how superior PowerPC is - yet 10 times slower on the same hardware? B.F.S. Something is just not right. Hopefully they get it fixed before they stick it on G3 hardware this July or OS X is a screwed pooch in the consumer Mac market (and whoever else has bought and continues to buy G3 hardware from Apple). Chris Murphy Color Remedies (tm) Boulder, CO 303-415-9932 From dez at bankofny.co.uk Tue Apr 3 11:43:17 2001 From: dez at bankofny.co.uk (Chesterfield, Derek) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:36 2005 Subject: Keyspan serial adapter fix Message-ID: <200104031843.LAA23995@omnigroup.com> It seems that I am not alone in experiencing problems with my modem after installing Keyspan's serial adapter driver. It is easy enough to restore the 1.0.4 version of the IOSerialFamily.kext to get your modem functional again. However, we can fix the 1.0.5 version that Keyspan installs as a prerequisite for their driver. Change to the /System/Library/Extensions directory. Type ll (el el), and you will see that the ownership of the (new) IOSerialFamily.kext is different to the others. I am not sure why this should stop the kext loading, since I would expect that KEXTs get loaded by the root account. Still, when I entered the command chmod -R root:wheel IOSerialFamily.kext and rebooted, the KEXT now loads. And when I plug in my Keyspan adapter, its KEXT also loads dynamically. Cool! Now... what I was hoping for, was that the serial port would be made available to Classic, so that I could use ZTerm to talk to serial devices (e.g. Cisco routers). However, ZTerm does not see any valid serial ports. Anyone know any tricks? Better still, any native OS X software that'll talk to serial ports? From jcr at idiom.com Tue Apr 3 11:56:15 2001 From: jcr at idiom.com (John C. Randolph) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:36 2005 Subject: Keyspan serial adapter fix In-Reply-To: <200104031843.LAA23996@omnigroup.com> Message-ID: <200104031855.LAA08213@idiom.com> On Tuesday, April 3, 2001, at 11:43 AM, Chesterfield, Derek wrote: > what I was hoping for, was that the serial port would be made available > to Classic, so that I could use ZTerm to talk to serial devices (e.g. > Cisco routers). However, ZTerm does not see any valid serial ports. > Anyone know any tricks? Better still, any native OS X software that'll > talk to serial ports? Well, on NeXTSTEP we used to use /bin/tip, but that doesn't seem to be there any more. -jcr From dez at mac.com Tue Apr 3 12:25:57 2001 From: dez at mac.com (Derek Chesterfield) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:36 2005 Subject: Keyspan serial adapter fix Message-ID: <200104031924.MAA23581@smtpout.mac.com> It seems that I am not alone in experiencing problems with my modem after installing Keyspan's serial adapter driver. It is easy enough to restore the 1.0.4 version of the IOSerialFamily.kext to get your modem functional again. However, we can fix the 1.0.5 version that Keyspan installs as a prerequisite for their driver. Change to the /System/Library/Extensions directory. Type ll (el el), and you will see that the ownership of the (new) IOSerialFamily.kext is different to the others. I am not sure why this should stop the kext loading, since I would expect that KEXTs get loaded by the root account. Still, when I entered the command chmod -R root:wheel IOSerialFamily.kext and rebooted, the KEXT now loads. And when I plug in my Keyspan adapter, its KEXT also loads dynamically. Cool! Now... what I was hoping for, was that the serial port would be made available to Classic, so that I could use ZTerm to talk to serial devices (e.g. Cisco routers). However, ZTerm does not see any valid serial ports. Anyone know any tricks? Better still, any native OS X software that'll talk to serial ports? From rob at prometheusmedia.com Tue Apr 3 12:41:32 2001 From: rob at prometheusmedia.com (Robert Brandtjen) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:36 2005 Subject: performance (again) In-Reply-To: <200104031705.KAA08578@hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Message-ID: on 4/3/01 12:05 PM, Chris Murphy at lists@colorremedies.com wrote: > Now that I'm not using IE 5.1 - things are MUCH MUCH better. Who to blame > for this is more complicated. To what degree can we blame an application > for hogging system resources on this OS? ON Mac OS 9 we blamed the > offending application 100% because the operating system had no say in the > matter. Applications had to be well behaved and had to cooperate or the > whole idea of running the app fails. IMHO > IE has always S***** - it has always been a resource hog, much slower downloading apps then Netscrape (on OS9, start a large download, bring the finder to the front and watch a T1 slow to modem speed) - Netscrape has never done this, it has always been "nice" to the system. No one who makes web based administration tools recommends using IE on any platform over Netscrape - this includes Caldera and Cisco Systems. IE does not follow WW3 guidelines, Netscrape does. Here's a good laugh, if you have Office 2001, boot entourage first, check your email, now load IE, watch the Finder crash, or watch IE crash, followed by the Finder and or Entourage. Another laugh, using IE, load a Java heavy page, watch it die - the funniest of course are sites using ASP - crashola, makes no difference whether it's windows or Mac, CRASH. If you come back to the site later, it may or may not handle it the second time through - it's a gamble every time. IE is a clear cut example of what happens when a monopoly moves into a new market and kills the competition, you get a POS application and no one to go to for a better product. Robert Brandtjen -------------------------------------- Web Site Creation and Hosting Services Hostmaster@prometheusmedia.com www.prometheusmedia.com From Alex at Karahalios.org Tue Apr 3 13:03:01 2001 From: Alex at Karahalios.org (Alex Karahalios) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:36 2005 Subject: Keyspan serial adapter fix In-Reply-To: <200104031843.LAA23996@omnigroup.com> Message-ID: <200104032002.f33K2i716316@home.karahalios.org> On Tuesday, April 3, 2001, at 11:43 AM, Chesterfield, Derek wrote: > Better still, any native OS X software that'll talk to serial ports? I ported minicom a few days ago to Mac OS X (so I could use my Keyspan serial adapter) and it works well. The unported software can be found at http://www.pp.clinet.fi/~walker/minicom.html in particular the developer version can be ported the easiest at http://www.pp.clinet.fi/~walker/mcdevel.html The developer version uses autoconf, but has many dependencies to libraries and programs which need to be downloaded and rebuilt. In addition to that you will need to manual edit some of the generated files to get it to build properly. I may be able to post some step by step build instructions when I have a little more time (or possibly a binary distribution). In the mean time you can try building it yourself. Alex Karahalios From btoback at optc.com Tue Apr 3 13:15:34 2001 From: btoback at optc.com (Bruce Toback) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:36 2005 Subject: SOLVED! - Re: OSX & CVS -- Heeeeeeeelp -- please Message-ID: <200104032018.f33KIFE05017@landru.optc.com> Alykhan Jetha writes: >On all *internal* platforms, the CVSROOT was as follows: > >CVSROOT = :pserver:@max:/mnt/CVS_REPO > >Remember, this works fine on all platform - even Mac OS 8.6 and Winblows. > >Changing to the following environment variable solved the problem: > >CVSROOT = :pserver:@max.marketcircle.com:/mnt/CVS_REPO This looks very much like the OSX machine doesn't have its domain name configured properly. The only thing that's used for is to determine the fully-qualified domain name when doing name resolution; that's why supplying a fully-qualified name solves the problem. -- Bruce -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bruce Toback Tel: (602) 996-8601| My candle burns at both ends; OPT, Inc. (800) 858-4507| It will not last the night; 11801 N. Tatum Blvd. Ste. 142 | But ah, my foes, and oh, my friends - Phoenix AZ 85028 | It gives a lovely light. btoback@optc.com | -- Edna St. Vincent Millay From lists at colorremedies.com Tue Apr 3 14:00:24 2001 From: lists at colorremedies.com (Chris Murphy) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:36 2005 Subject: performance (again) Message-ID: <200104032058.NAA03489@harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net> >IMHO > IE has always S***** I disagree, it's been reasonably well behaved since IE 5.0 on OS 8.6+. I have had few problems with IE. Nutscrape has absolutely horendous performance for those of us stuck with slow internet connections to begin with. I've heard and seen better performance with Nutscrape if you have a fast internet connection. Otherwise it blows. I click on the back arrow button and no matter what the cache settings are it insists on downloading the page again even though it should be in cache. With IE 5 I usually get immediate or at least responsive screen redraws when clicking back or forward buttons with little or no redownloading. And Communicator 6 is a lethal P.O.S. >IE is a clear cut example of what happens when a monopoly moves into a new >market and kills the competition, you get a POS application and no one to go >to for a better product. This has nothing to do with it. If IE sucked overall more than Nutscrape's product then Nutscrape would be the more widely used product. The reason I use IE is because Communicator is intolerable and unusable. However IE 5.1 is actually worse than Communicator 4.7x performance including back paging, and that is quite bad enough as it is. Chris Murphy Color Remedies (tm) Boulder, CO 303-415-9932 From lists at colorremedies.com Tue Apr 3 14:06:44 2001 From: lists at colorremedies.com (Chris Murphy) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:36 2005 Subject: performance (again) Message-ID: <200104032104.OAA23097@falcon.prod.itd.earthlink.net> >No, pre-emptive multitasking does _not_ imply process prioritization. If the application asks for more resources, it basically gets them on a priority basis. If all apps have the same priority then that means a single application can hog so many system resources it can bring down the system. And that's exactly what I've experienced with Classic, Finder and even the Dock (once). I don't consider it pre-emptive in a pure sense when the kernel itself has no more priority than a frickin' web browser. Is BSD like this also? Or is Darwin unique in this regard compared to other Unices? Chris Murphy Color Remedies (tm) Boulder, CO 303-415-9932 From mbartosh at mac.com Tue Apr 3 14:07:43 2001 From: mbartosh at mac.com (Michael Bartosh) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:36 2005 Subject: performance (again) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 2:40 PM -0500 4/3/01, Robert Brandtjen wrote: >on 4/3/01 12:05 PM, Chris Murphy at lists@colorremedies.com wrote: > >> Now that I'm not using IE 5.1 - things are MUCH MUCH better. Who to blame >> for this is more complicated. To what degree can we blame an application >> for hogging system resources on this OS? ON Mac OS 9 we blamed the >> offending application 100% because the operating system had no say in the >> matter. Applications had to be well behaved and had to cooperate or the >> whole idea of running the app fails. > >IMHO > IE has always S***** - it has always been a resource hog, much slower >downloading apps then Netscrape (on OS9, start a large download, bring the >finder to the front and watch a T1 slow to modem speed) - Netscrape has >never done this, it has always been "nice" to the system. > >No one who makes web based administration tools recommends using IE on any >platform over Netscrape - this includes Caldera and Cisco Systems. IE does >not follow WW3 guidelines, Netscrape does. > >Here's a good laugh, if you have Office 2001, boot entourage first, check >your email, now load IE, watch the Finder crash, or watch IE crash, followed >by the Finder and or Entourage. > >Another laugh, using IE, load a Java heavy page, watch it die - the funniest >of course are sites using ASP - crashola, makes no difference whether it's >windows or Mac, CRASH. If you come back to the site later, it may or may not >handle it the second time through - it's a gamble every time. > >IE is a clear cut example of what happens when a monopoly moves into a new >market and kills the competition, you get a POS application and no one to go >to for a better product. > > Robert Brandtjen > -------------------------------------- > Web Site Creation and Hosting Services > Hostmaster@prometheusmedia.com > www.prometheusmedia.com > >_______________________________________________ >MacOSX-admin mailing list >MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com >http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin -- From a at blackbox.net Tue Apr 3 14:11:21 2001 From: a at blackbox.net (Andreas Monitzer) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:36 2005 Subject: SOLVED! - Re: OSX & CVS -- Heeeeeeeelp -- please In-Reply-To: <200104032018.f33KIFE05017@landru.optc.com> Message-ID: <200104032038.WAA00759@am.homeip.net> On Tuesday, April 3, 2001, at 10:14 , Bruce Toback wrote: > Alykhan Jetha writes: > >> On all *internal* platforms, the CVSROOT was as follows: >> >> CVSROOT = :pserver:@max:/mnt/CVS_REPO >> >> Remember, this works fine on all platform - even Mac OS 8.6 and Winblows. >> >> Changing to the following environment variable solved the problem: >> >> CVSROOT = :pserver:@max.marketcircle.com:/mnt/CVS_REPO > > This looks very much like the OSX machine doesn't have its domain name > configured properly. The only thing that's used for is to determine the > fully-qualified domain name when doing name resolution; that's why > supplying a fully-qualified name solves the problem. That's not related to the domain name. The right correction is: System Preferences -> Network -> Configure Built-in Ethernet -> Search Domains = "marketcircle.com" andy -- Discussion forthcoming. From lists at colorremedies.com Tue Apr 3 14:13:13 2001 From: lists at colorremedies.com (Chris Murphy) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:36 2005 Subject: [Mac OSX] performance (again) Message-ID: <200104032048.NAA04951@falcon.prod.itd.earthlink.net> >nice/renice don't do anything in Darwin/Mac OS X. Ahh so what we have is "virtual pre-emptive multitasking" on OS X. That makes a lot of sense... Chris Murphy Color Remedies (tm) Boulder, CO 303-415-9932 From rob at prometheusmedia.com Tue Apr 3 14:19:32 2001 From: rob at prometheusmedia.com (Robert Brandtjen) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:36 2005 Subject: performance (again) In-Reply-To: <200104032104.OAA23097@falcon.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Message-ID: on 4/3/01 4:04 PM, Chris Murphy at lists@colorremedies.com wrote: > Is BSD like this also? Or is Darwin unique in this regard compared to > other Unices? OSXS IS NOT LIKE THAT - Robert Brandtjen -------------------------------------- Web Site Creation and Hosting Services Hostmaster@prometheusmedia.com www.prometheusmedia.com From rob at prometheusmedia.com Tue Apr 3 14:28:50 2001 From: rob at prometheusmedia.com (Robert Brandtjen) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:36 2005 Subject: FW: performance (again) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Robert Brandtjen -------------------------------------- Web Site Creation and Hosting Services Hostmaster@prometheusmedia.com www.prometheusmedia.com ------ Forwarded Message From: Robert Brandtjen Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 16:26:45 -0500 To: Chris Murphy Subject: Re: performance (again) on 4/3/01 3:57 PM, Chris Murphy at lists@colorremedies.com wrote: > This has nothing to do with it. If IE sucked overall more than > Nutscrape's product then Nutscrape would be the more widely used product. > The reason I use IE is because Communicator is intolerable and unusable. > However IE 5.1 is actually worse than Communicator 4.7x performance > including back paging, and that is quite bad enough as it is. Hmm, seems you and David Boies don't see eye to eye - I have been using Netscrape since 1995, IE since version 3.0 - whenever that was - I stand by my opinion, there is a reason why IE isn't listed as viable software for administration purposes - the feature you like the most is the one Admins and web developers deplore - it's brain dead insistence on caching everything even when you tell it not to. It also is terrible at reading forms, unless said forms are mad on FrontPage - another yuck. I can build a standard web page, follow the WWWC guidelines and Netscape will load it properly - if I want IE to do so, I must revamp the page so it detects the browser and sets it up so IE will see it. Modern drag and drop html utilities have aided in this, but it's still a pain. IE 5.0 and up is a resource hog on any platform - suggest you run other apps while running it - or better still, do what I said, download a file, put it in the back ground and watch what happens. Do the same to Netscape, and watch it's download speed continue unabated. Robert Brandtjen -------------------------------------- Web Site Creation and Hosting Services Hostmaster@prometheusmedia.com www.prometheusmedia.com ------ End of Forwarded Message From lists at colorremedies.com Tue Apr 3 14:31:38 2001 From: lists at colorremedies.com (Chris Murphy) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:36 2005 Subject: performance (again) Message-ID: <200104032131.OAA03898@scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net> >OSXS IS NOT LIKE THAT - Not like what? This isn't a very clear answer. Chris Murphy Color Remedies (tm) Boulder, CO 303-415-9932 From blacksun1958 at earthlink.net Tue Apr 3 14:32:42 2001 From: blacksun1958 at earthlink.net (Robert Allen) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:36 2005 Subject: Need Help Installing PHP4 Message-ID: <200104032132.OAA27258@swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net> I'm running OS X GM on a B&W G3 on which I have installed Apache 1.3.19 successfully and now I'm trying to get PHP 4.0.4 up and running, but I've run into a snag when running the 'make install' command. The build fails with these errors: ... + /Users/blacksun/php4/build/shtool install -c -m 644 /Users/blacksun/php4/pear/Mail/smtp.php /usr/local/lib/php/Mail/ + /Users/blacksun/php4/build/shtool install -c -m 644 /Users/blacksun/php4/pear/Net/SMTP.php /usr/local/lib/php/Net/ + /Users/blacksun/php4/build/shtool install -c -m 644 /Users/blacksun/php4/pear/Net/Socket.php /usr/local/lib/php/Net/ + /Users/blacksun/php4/build/shtool install -c -m 644 /Users/blacksun/php4/pear/PEAR/Installer.php /usr/local/lib/php/PEAR/ + /Users/blacksun/php4/build/shtool install -c -m 644 /Users/blacksun/php4/pear/Payment/Verisign.php /usr/local/lib/php/Payment/ + /Users/blacksun/php4/build/shtool install -c -m 644 /Users/blacksun/php4/pear/XML/Parser.php /usr/local/lib/php/XML/ + /Users/blacksun/php4/build/shtool install -c -m 644 PEAR.php /usr/local/lib/php creating header file hierarchy /Users/blacksun/php4/build/shtool mkdir -p /usr/local/lib/php/build /usr/local/bin && \ (cd /Users/blacksun/php4 && cp pear/pear.m4 build/fastgen.sh build/library.mk build/ltlib.mk build/mkdep.awk build/program.mk build/rules.mk build/rules_common.mk build/rules_pear.mk build/dynlib.mk build/shtool dynlib.m4 acinclude.m4 /usr/local/lib/php/build) /Users/blacksun/php4/build/shtool install -c -m 755 /Users/blacksun/php4/pear/phpextdist /usr/local/bin/phpextdist for prog in phpize php-config pear; do \ /Users/blacksun/php4/build/shtool install -c -m 755 $prog /usr/local/bin/$prog; \ done cp: pear is a directory (not copied). make[2]: *** [install-programs] Error 1 make[1]: *** [install-recursive] Error 1 make: *** [install-recursive] Error 1 [localhost:/Users/blacksun/php4] root# I don't know what to make of this at all. I looked for a debug.log file, but there wasn't one. Prior to this, I ran the './configuration' and 'make' commands successfully. With './configure' I included the following options: ./configure \ --enable-track-vars \ --with-apxs=/usr/sbin/apxs \ --without-gd \ --without-mysql After that I ran 'make' with no apparent (to me) problems. Does anyone have thoughts on this? Thanks in advance, Robert. From dluke at geeklair.net Tue Apr 3 14:35:56 2001 From: dluke at geeklair.net (Daniel J. Luke) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:36 2005 Subject: [Mac OSX] performance (again) In-Reply-To: <200104032048.NAA04951@falcon.prod.itd.earthlink.net>; from lists@colorremedies.com on Tue, Apr 03, 2001 at 02:48:26PM -0600 References: <200104032048.NAA04951@falcon.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20010403165324.A17979@geeklair.net> On Tue, Apr 03, 2001 at 02:48:26PM -0600, Chris Murphy wrote: > >nice/renice don't do anything in Darwin/Mac OS X. > > Ahh so what we have is "virtual pre-emptive multitasking" on OS X. That > makes a lot of sense... No, pre-emptive multitasking does _not_ imply process prioritization. -- Daniel J. Luke +========================================================+ | *---------------- dluke@geeklair.net ----------------* | | *-------------- http://www.geeklair.net -------------* | +========================================================+ | Opinions expressed are mine and do not necessarily | | reflect the opinions of my employer. | +========================================================+ From kyle at rtoads.com Tue Apr 3 14:39:38 2001 From: kyle at rtoads.com (Kyle Silfer) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:36 2005 Subject: performance (again) In-Reply-To: <200104032131.OAA03898@scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Message-ID: Ars Technica has weighed in with a very critical, yet fair, evaluation of OS X's performance. I have to agree with the assessment: it is WAY too slow for its own good. It's like running Windows 95 on a 486, only slower. See: http://www.arstechnica.com/reviews/01q2/macos-x-final/macos-x-5.html From finlay.dobbie at btinternet.com Tue Apr 3 14:41:04 2001 From: finlay.dobbie at btinternet.com (Finlay Dobbie) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:36 2005 Subject: Need Help Installing PHP4 In-Reply-To: <200104032132.OAA27258@swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Message-ID: ./configure --disable-pear gets around it, otherwise you could just ignore it. it builds a working PHP DSO anyways. On Tuesday, April 3, 2001, at 10:32 pm, Robert Allen wrote: > I'm running OS X GM on a B&W G3 on which I have installed Apache 1.3.19 > successfully and now I'm trying to get PHP 4.0.4 up and running, but > I've run into a snag when running the 'make install' command. The build > fails with these errors: > > ... > + /Users/blacksun/php4/build/shtool install -c -m 644 > /Users/blacksun/php4/pear/Mail/smtp.php /usr/local/lib/php/Mail/ > + /Users/blacksun/php4/build/shtool install -c -m 644 > /Users/blacksun/php4/pear/Net/SMTP.php /usr/local/lib/php/Net/ > + /Users/blacksun/php4/build/shtool install -c -m 644 > /Users/blacksun/php4/pear/Net/Socket.php /usr/local/lib/php/Net/ > + /Users/blacksun/php4/build/shtool install -c -m 644 > /Users/blacksun/php4/pear/PEAR/Installer.php /usr/local/lib/php/PEAR/ > + /Users/blacksun/php4/build/shtool install -c -m 644 > /Users/blacksun/php4/pear/Payment/Verisign.php > /usr/local/lib/php/Payment/ > + /Users/blacksun/php4/build/shtool install -c -m 644 > /Users/blacksun/php4/pear/XML/Parser.php /usr/local/lib/php/XML/ > + /Users/blacksun/php4/build/shtool install -c -m 644 PEAR.php > /usr/local/lib/php > creating header file hierarchy > /Users/blacksun/php4/build/shtool mkdir -p /usr/local/lib/php/build > /usr/local/bin && \ > (cd /Users/blacksun/php4 && cp pear/pear.m4 build/fastgen.sh > build/library.mk build/ltlib.mk build/mkdep.awk build/program.mk > build/rules.mk build/rules_common.mk build/rules_pear.mk > build/dynlib.mk build/shtool dynlib.m4 acinclude.m4 > /usr/local/lib/php/build) > /Users/blacksun/php4/build/shtool install -c -m 755 > /Users/blacksun/php4/pear/phpextdist /usr/local/bin/phpextdist > for prog in phpize php-config pear; do \ > /Users/blacksun/php4/build/shtool install -c -m 755 $prog > /usr/local/bin/$prog; \ > done > cp: pear is a directory (not copied). > make[2]: *** [install-programs] Error 1 > make[1]: *** [install-recursive] Error 1 > make: *** [install-recursive] Error 1 > [localhost:/Users/blacksun/php4] root# > > I don't know what to make of this at all. I looked for a debug.log > file, but there wasn't one. > > Prior to this, I ran the './configuration' and 'make' commands > successfully. With './configure' I included the following options: > > ./configure \ > --enable-track-vars \ > --with-apxs=/usr/sbin/apxs \ > --without-gd \ > --without-mysql > > After that I ran 'make' with no apparent (to me) problems. Does anyone > have thoughts on this? > > Thanks in advance, > Robert. > > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-admin mailing list > MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin > From a at blackbox.net Tue Apr 3 14:43:37 2001 From: a at blackbox.net (Andreas Monitzer) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:36 2005 Subject: SOLVED! - Re: OSX & CVS -- Heeeeeeeelp -- please In-Reply-To: <200104032018.f33KIFE05017@landru.optc.com> Message-ID: <200104032038.WAA00759@am.homeip.net> On Tuesday, April 3, 2001, at 10:14 , Bruce Toback wrote: > Alykhan Jetha writes: > >> On all *internal* platforms, the CVSROOT was as follows: >> >> CVSROOT = :pserver:@max:/mnt/CVS_REPO >> >> Remember, this works fine on all platform - even Mac OS 8.6 and Winblows. >> >> Changing to the following environment variable solved the problem: >> >> CVSROOT = :pserver:@max.marketcircle.com:/mnt/CVS_REPO > > This looks very much like the OSX machine doesn't have its domain name > configured properly. The only thing that's used for is to determine the > fully-qualified domain name when doing name resolution; that's why > supplying a fully-qualified name solves the problem. That's not related to the domain name. The right correction is: System Preferences -> Network -> Configure Built-in Ethernet -> Search Domains = "marketcircle.com" andy -- Discussion forthcoming. From eugene at anime.net Tue Apr 3 14:44:50 2001 From: eugene at anime.net (Eugene Lee) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:36 2005 Subject: Need Help Installing PHP4 In-Reply-To: <200104032132.OAA27258@swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net>; from blacksun1958@earthlink.net on Tue, Apr 03, 2001 at 04:32:02PM -0500 References: <200104032132.OAA27258@swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20010403144516.H23128@anime.net> On Tue, Apr 03, 2001 at 04:32:02PM -0500, Robert Allen wrote: : : I'm running OS X GM on a B&W G3 on which I have installed Apache 1.3.19 : successfully and now I'm trying to get PHP 4.0.4 up and running, but : I've run into a snag when running the 'make install' command. There's a trick to building PHP on an HFS+ volume: http://www.stepwise.com/Articles/Workbench/2001-03-24.01.html -- Eugene Lee eugene@anime.net From lance at mac.com Tue Apr 3 14:54:00 2001 From: lance at mac.com (Lance M. Westerhoff) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:36 2005 Subject: [Mac OSX] performance (again) In-Reply-To: <200104032048.NAA04951@falcon.prod.itd.earthlink.net> References: <200104032048.NAA04951@falcon.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Message-ID: At 2:48 PM -0600 4/3/01, Chris Murphy wrote: >>nice/renice don't do anything in Darwin/Mac OS X. > >Ahh so what we have is "virtual pre-emptive multitasking" on OS X. That >makes a lot of sense... > This is a known bug. I agree it is a bitch, but at least Apple knows about it (and we have probably all sent them feedback by now about it). Let's hope the next update has something in it (not that I think most people need it since I am convinced that very few people seem to understand how running priority works!) -Lance -- _____________________ Lance M. Westerhoff PennState Chemistry Graduate Researcher & UNIX Systems Administrator - Merz Computational Biochemistry Research Group Phone: 814-863-7591 Email: lance@mac.com Web: http://merz.chem.psu.edu/~lance/ **************************************************** MacOSX: Combining the power of UNIX and the openness of Linux with the ease of use and broad applications base of Macintosh. http://www.apple.com/macosx/ **************************************************** From lance at mac.com Tue Apr 3 14:54:40 2001 From: lance at mac.com (Lance M. Westerhoff) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:36 2005 Subject: [Mac OSX] performance (again) In-Reply-To: <20010403165324.A17979@geeklair.net> References: <200104032048.NAA04951@falcon.prod.itd.earthlink.net> <20010403165324.A17979@geeklair.net> Message-ID: At 4:53 PM -0400 4/3/01, Daniel J. Luke wrote: >On Tue, Apr 03, 2001 at 02:48:26PM -0600, Chris Murphy wrote: >> >nice/renice don't do anything in Darwin/Mac OS X. >> >> Ahh so what we have is "virtual pre-emptive multitasking" on OS X. That >> makes a lot of sense... > >No, pre-emptive multitasking does _not_ imply process prioritization. > Good point! -Lance -- _____________________ Lance M. Westerhoff PennState Chemistry Graduate Researcher & UNIX Systems Administrator - Merz Computational Biochemistry Research Group Phone: 814-863-7591 Email: lance@mac.com Web: http://merz.chem.psu.edu/~lance/ **************************************************** MacOSX: Combining the power of UNIX and the openness of Linux with the ease of use and broad applications base of Macintosh. http://www.apple.com/macosx/ **************************************************** From pr1 at club-internet.fr Tue Apr 3 14:55:10 2001 From: pr1 at club-internet.fr (Philippe de Rochambeau) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:36 2005 Subject: Problem compiling Apache 1.3.9 Message-ID: <200104032109.XAA26636@front5m.grolier.fr> Hello, I am having problems compiling Apache 1.3.9 on MOSX Final Candidate: [localhost:/Temporary Items] philippe% cd apache_1.3.19/ [localhost:/Temporary Items/apache_1.3.19] philippe% ls ABOUT_APACHE INSTALL LICENSE README README.configure cgi-bin config.layout htdocs logs Announcement KEYS Makefile.tmpl README-WIN.TXT WARNING-WIN.TXT conf configure icons src [localhost:/Temporary Items/apache_1.3.19] philippe% clear [localhost:/Temporary Items/apache_1.3.19] philippe% ./configure \ -> --enable-module=most \ -> --enable-shared=max Configuring for Apache, Version 1.3.19 + using installation path layout: Darwin (config.layout) Creating Makefile Creating Configuration.apaci in src + enabling mod_so for DSO support Creating Makefile in src + configured for Darwin platform + setting C compiler to cc + setting C pre-processor to cc -E -traditional-cpp + checking for system header files + adding selected modules o rewrite_module uses ConfigStart/End disabling DBM support for mod_rewrite (perhaps you need to add -ldbm, -lndbm or -lgdbm to EXTRA_LIBS) o dbm_auth_module uses ConfigStart/End + checking sizeof various data types + doing sanity check on compiler and options ** A test compilation with your Makefile configuration ** failed. The below error output from the compilation ** test will give you an idea what is failing. Note that ** Apache requires an ANSI C Compiler, such as gcc. cd ..; cc -DDARWIN -DNO_DBM_REWRITEMAP -DUSE_HSREGEX -DUSE_EXPAT -I./lib/expat-lite `./apaci` -o helpers/dummy helpers/dummy.c ======== Error Output for sanity check ======== ============= End of Error Report ============= Aborting! Any help would be much appreciated. Philippe de Rochambeau From waltd at wdstudio.com Tue Apr 3 14:56:45 2001 From: waltd at wdstudio.com (Walter Lee Davis) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:36 2005 Subject: Need Help Installing PHP4 In-Reply-To: <200104032132.OAA27258@swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Message-ID: Add --disable-pear to your configure statement. I believe you are getting the pear/Pear thing here, and unless you are burning with desire to use pear, you can step neatly around the whole problem this way. Walter On 4/3/01 5:32 PM, "Robert Allen" wrote: > I'm running OS X GM on a B&W G3 on which I have installed Apache 1.3.19 > successfully and now I'm trying to get PHP 4.0.4 up and running, but > I've run into a snag when running the 'make install' command. The build > fails with these errors: > > ... > + /Users/blacksun/php4/build/shtool install -c -m 644 > /Users/blacksun/php4/pear/Mail/smtp.php /usr/local/lib/php/Mail/ > + /Users/blacksun/php4/build/shtool install -c -m 644 > /Users/blacksun/php4/pear/Net/SMTP.php /usr/local/lib/php/Net/ > + /Users/blacksun/php4/build/shtool install -c -m 644 > /Users/blacksun/php4/pear/Net/Socket.php /usr/local/lib/php/Net/ > + /Users/blacksun/php4/build/shtool install -c -m 644 > /Users/blacksun/php4/pear/PEAR/Installer.php /usr/local/lib/php/PEAR/ > + /Users/blacksun/php4/build/shtool install -c -m 644 > /Users/blacksun/php4/pear/Payment/Verisign.php > /usr/local/lib/php/Payment/ > + /Users/blacksun/php4/build/shtool install -c -m 644 > /Users/blacksun/php4/pear/XML/Parser.php /usr/local/lib/php/XML/ > + /Users/blacksun/php4/build/shtool install -c -m 644 PEAR.php > /usr/local/lib/php > creating header file hierarchy > /Users/blacksun/php4/build/shtool mkdir -p /usr/local/lib/php/build > /usr/local/bin && \ > (cd /Users/blacksun/php4 && cp pear/pear.m4 build/fastgen.sh > build/library.mk build/ltlib.mk build/mkdep.awk build/program.mk > build/rules.mk build/rules_common.mk build/rules_pear.mk build/dynlib.mk > build/shtool dynlib.m4 acinclude.m4 /usr/local/lib/php/build) > /Users/blacksun/php4/build/shtool install -c -m 755 > /Users/blacksun/php4/pear/phpextdist /usr/local/bin/phpextdist > for prog in phpize php-config pear; do \ > /Users/blacksun/php4/build/shtool install -c -m 755 $prog > /usr/local/bin/$prog; \ > done > cp: pear is a directory (not copied). > make[2]: *** [install-programs] Error 1 > make[1]: *** [install-recursive] Error 1 > make: *** [install-recursive] Error 1 > [localhost:/Users/blacksun/php4] root# > > I don't know what to make of this at all. I looked for a debug.log file, > but there wasn't one. > > Prior to this, I ran the './configuration' and 'make' commands > successfully. With './configure' I included the following options: > > ./configure \ > --enable-track-vars \ > --with-apxs=/usr/sbin/apxs \ > --without-gd \ > --without-mysql > > After that I ran 'make' with no apparent (to me) problems. Does anyone > have thoughts on this? > > Thanks in advance, > Robert. > > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-admin mailing list > MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin > From lance at mac.com Tue Apr 3 14:56:54 2001 From: lance at mac.com (Lance M. Westerhoff) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:36 2005 Subject: performance (again) In-Reply-To: <200104031755.KAA05952@avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net> References: <200104031755.KAA05952@avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Message-ID: At 11:55 AM -0600 4/3/01, Chris Murphy wrote: >>If you'd like, I can write an applictation that only excercises a small >>part of Mac OS X and have it run 10 times faster than on Mac OS 9 ;-) > >UNLESS you conclude there is >something that just isn't right yet with OS X (i.e. there is a problem, >this isn't the way it's supposed to be, it will likely get fixed it's >just a matter of time, hopefully). > Ah....17 years of GUI development versus the 1-2 years of GUI development. The whole Aqua thing only came about in the last year and a half and the pre-OSX GUI had 17 years to be fully optimized with various video cards and processors. Gaining maturity takes time folks. I think if you look at those non-GUI things that are truly faster in OSX then in OS9, you will see the potential...but it will take time for the GUI to catch up. Will the GUI be completely optimized in the mythical 10.0.1? Probably not, but it will be better. Will the GUI be completely optimized in 10.1? Again, probably not, but it will be even better. What about 10.2? Hmmm..possibly. We will see. There is a lot to "get right" for a fast GUI. The GUI must be optimized for not just the G3 or G4 but also the video card. I suspect these optimizations are exactly what Apple is working on now. Welcome to software development and the dawn of a new age folks. Stick by it and continue to report bugs/problems/suggestions/etc to Apple's OSX feedback site, and you will see a grand thing. Being both a UNIX geek and a MacOS geek, I see the potential. Sure, the GUI performance isn't what it should be *yet*, but Rome wasn't built in a day. -Lance -- _____________________ Lance M. Westerhoff PennState Chemistry Graduate Researcher & UNIX Systems Administrator - Merz Computational Biochemistry Research Group Phone: 814-863-7591 Email: lance@mac.com Web: http://merz.chem.psu.edu/~lance/ **************************************************** MacOSX: Combining the power of UNIX and the openness of Linux with the ease of use and broad applications base of Macintosh. http://www.apple.com/macosx/ **************************************************** From miles at vision-media.com Tue Apr 3 14:57:56 2001 From: miles at vision-media.com (miles) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:36 2005 Subject: MySQL/PHP4 on OS X ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi, This is my first post to this list...so HI everyone! A lil bit about me...Im a web developer with roots firmly planted in OS 8/9, lasso/FMP based web dev on the mac side of things...and coldfusion/oracle/MS SQL7 on the NT side. I do a lot of web-enabling of databases...its the thing that I like to do the most anyway. Anyway, Im asking this group my question because chances are that one of you has probably done what I'm gonna ask and can either point me in the direction of some type of instruction set or something closely resembling a tutorial on how to build out an app that was compiled for BSD unix that needs to be rebuilt under OS X. So (enough foreshadowing, ya think ?) what is entailed in downloading and installing MySQL for OS X ? I would like to install MySQL for OS X but there is NO build for OS X at this time...Im not the greatest UNIX whiz out there...so lets keep this simple...are there any instructions as to how to install for OS X that someone of you has done...????? or what is entailed in creating a build for OS X ? And while we are on the subject, what about PHP4 ? IE: HELP !!!!!! !!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!! Thank you for your time in reading this... Sincerely, Miles. From bryanharris at mac.com Tue Apr 3 15:05:18 2001 From: bryanharris at mac.com (Bryan Harris) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:36 2005 Subject: performance (again) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > IMHO > IE has always S***** - it has always been a resource hog, much slower > downloading apps then Netscrape (on OS9, start a large download, bring the > finder to the front and watch a T1 slow to modem speed) - Netscrape has Which version are you using anyway? IE 5 under OS 9 has been quite impressive. "...slow to modem speed"? Something's wrong with your setup. > No one who makes web based administration tools recommends using IE on any > platform over Netscrape - this includes Caldera and Cisco Systems. IE does > not follow WW3 guidelines, Netscrape does. Perhaps on the peecee, but not on the Mac. > Here's a good laugh, if you have Office 2001, boot entourage first, check > your email, now load IE, watch the Finder crash, or watch IE crash, followed > by the Finder and or Entourage. Yeah, if you don't bother to look for an answer. There was an easy fix for this from the beginning, and they fixed the problem with the SR. > IE is a clear cut example of what happens when a monopoly moves into a new > market and kills the competition, you get a POS application and no one to go > to for a better product. The developers may work for MS, but they are hardcore Mac-heads. Do the names Dan Crevier, Jud Spencer, and David Cortwright mean anything to you? If not, perhaps you aren't as "in the know" as you like to think you are. - B From thomson at apple.com Tue Apr 3 15:07:44 2001 From: thomson at apple.com (Tony Thomson) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:36 2005 Subject: MySQL/PHP4 on OS X ? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: There's a package install of MySQL at homepage.mac.com/LightyearDesign/MacOSX/packages/ that was designed for X Public Beta but works fine for X final. I've been using it with no problems, and it's the easiest way (at the moment) to install that I've come across. tony on 4/3/01 1:55 PM, miles at miles@vision-media.com wrote: > Hi, > > This is my first post to this list...so HI everyone! > > A lil bit about me...Im a web developer with roots firmly > planted in OS 8/9, lasso/FMP based web dev on the mac > side of things...and coldfusion/oracle/MS SQL7 on the NT > side. I do a lot of web-enabling of databases...its the thing > that I like to do the most anyway. > > Anyway, Im asking this group my question because chances > are that one of you has probably done what I'm gonna ask and > can either point me in the direction of some type of instruction > set or something closely resembling a tutorial on how to build > out an app that was compiled for BSD unix that needs to be > rebuilt under OS X. > > So (enough foreshadowing, ya think ?) what is entailed in > downloading and installing MySQL for OS X ? I would like > to install MySQL for OS X but there is NO build for OS X at > this time...Im not the greatest UNIX whiz out there...so lets > keep this simple...are there any instructions as to how to > install for OS X that someone of you has done...????? or > what is entailed in creating a build for OS X ? > > And while we are on the subject, what about PHP4 ? > > IE: HELP !!!!!! !!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!! > > Thank you for your time in reading this... > > Sincerely, > > Miles. > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-admin mailing list > MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin From cputney at whistler.net Tue Apr 3 15:10:47 2001 From: cputney at whistler.net (Colin Putney) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:36 2005 Subject: [Mac OSX] performance (again) In-Reply-To: <200104032048.NAA04951@falcon.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <200104032210.PAA15320@Marvin.cyberstore.ca> On Tuesday, April 3, 2001, at 01:48 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: > Ahh so what we have is "virtual pre-emptive multitasking" on OS X. That > makes a lot of sense... No, Mac OS X has the real deal. The utility for altering a processes scheduling priority is broken, but preemption works fine. Let's be clear about our terms here. Cooperative Multitasking is what is used by Mac OS 6-9. Each process must explicitly return control of the CPU to the operating system so that another process can be scheduled. This allows any process to "hog" the CPU by surrenduring it less often or not at all. Preemptive Multitasking is used by Mac OS X and most (all?) Unixen. Each process operates as though it always has control of the processor, but is transparently interrupted by the OS when another process is due for scheduling. The process can only use as much processor time as the OS allows it. Process Prioritization is the scheme the OS uses to schedule processes. This is highly OS-specific. OS 9, for example, gives priority to which ever process is in the foreground. Unix uses nice values. Notice that process prioritization is a separate issue from the type of multitasking used. OS gurus feel free to correct me, but this is the basic situation. - Colin ----------------------------------------------------------------- Colin Putney Whistler.com From pr1 at club-internet.fr Tue Apr 3 15:13:37 2001 From: pr1 at club-internet.fr (Philippe de Rochambeau) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:36 2005 Subject: Problems compiling Apache 1.3.9 Message-ID: <200104032043.WAA23691@front2m.grolier.fr> [localhost:/Temporary Items] philippe% cd apache_1.3.19/ [localhost:/Temporary Items/apache_1.3.19] philippe% ls ABOUT_APACHE INSTALL LICENSE README README.configure cgi-bin config.layout htdocs logs Announcement KEYS Makefile.tmpl README-WIN.TXT WARNING-WIN.TXT conf configure icons src [localhost:/Temporary Items/apache_1.3.19] philippe% clear I am having problems compiling Apache 1.3.9: [localhost:/Temporary Items/apache_1.3.19] philippe% ./configure \ -> --enable-module=most \ -> --enable-shared=max Configuring for Apache, Version 1.3.19 + using installation path layout: Darwin (config.layout) Creating Makefile Creating Configuration.apaci in src + enabling mod_so for DSO support Creating Makefile in src + configured for Darwin platform + setting C compiler to cc + setting C pre-processor to cc -E -traditional-cpp + checking for system header files + adding selected modules o rewrite_module uses ConfigStart/End disabling DBM support for mod_rewrite (perhaps you need to add -ldbm, -lndbm or -lgdbm to EXTRA_LIBS) o dbm_auth_module uses ConfigStart/End + checking sizeof various data types + doing sanity check on compiler and options ** A test compilation with your Makefile configuration ** failed. The below error output from the compilation ** test will give you an idea what is failing. Note that ** Apache requires an ANSI C Compiler, such as gcc. cd ..; cc -DDARWIN -DNO_DBM_REWRITEMAP -DUSE_HSREGEX -DUSE_EXPAT -I./lib/expat-lite `./apaci` -o helpers/dummy helpers/dummy.c ======== Error Output for sanity check ======== ============= End of Error Report ============= Aborting! ----------- Any help would be much appreciated. Philippe de Rochambeau From rob at prometheusmedia.com Tue Apr 3 15:17:18 2001 From: rob at prometheusmedia.com (Robert Brandtjen) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:36 2005 Subject: performance (again) In-Reply-To: <200104032131.OAA03898@scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Message-ID: on 4/3/01 4:31 PM, Chris Murphy at lists@colorremedies.com wrote: > Not like what? This isn't a very clear answer. Umm, it does not give everything a nice level of 0 that?s what, you asked if all Unix's behaved like that, remember ? Robert Brandtjen -------------------------------------- Web Site Creation and Hosting Services Hostmaster@prometheusmedia.com www.prometheusmedia.com From sanguish at digifix.com Tue Apr 3 15:17:43 2001 From: sanguish at digifix.com (Scott Anguish) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:37 2005 Subject: Need Help Installing PHP4 In-Reply-To: <200104032132.OAA27258@swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Message-ID: On Tuesday, April 3, 2001, at 05:32 PM, Robert Allen wrote: > I'm running OS X GM on a B&W G3 on which I have installed Apache 1.3.19 > successfully and now I'm trying to get PHP 4.0.4 up and running, but > I've run into a snag when running the 'make install' command. The build > fails with these errors: > This problem is a result of building on a HFS+ formatted volume.. PHP has a PEAR directory and a pear directory in the same location --disable-pear fixes this, but you loose functionality This is described in the PHP and Apache article on Stepwise From sanguish at digifix.com Tue Apr 3 15:18:10 2001 From: sanguish at digifix.com (Scott Anguish) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:37 2005 Subject: Problem compiling Apache 1.3.9 In-Reply-To: <200104032109.XAA26636@front5m.grolier.fr> Message-ID: On Tuesday, April 3, 2001, at 05:10 PM, Philippe de Rochambeau wrote: > Hello, > > I am having problems compiling Apache 1.3.9 on MOSX Final Candidate: > > [localhost:/Temporary Items] philippe% cd apache_1.3.19/ > [localhost:/Temporary Items/apache_1.3.19] philippe% ls > ABOUT_APACHE INSTALL LICENSE README > README.configure cgi-bin config.layout htdocs logs > Announcement KEYS Makefile.tmpl README-WIN.TXT > WARNING-WIN.TXT conf configure icons src > [localhost:/Temporary Items/apache_1.3.19] philippe% clear > Quick guess.. you don't have the developer tools installed From aj at marketcircle.com Tue Apr 3 15:27:39 2001 From: aj at marketcircle.com (Alykhan Jetha) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:37 2005 Subject: SOLVED! - Re: OSX & CVS -- Heeeeeeeelp -- please In-Reply-To: <200104032038.WAA00759@am.homeip.net> Message-ID: Hey Guys, The search domain fields was set properly from the get go, so that's not the problem. Remember, our little port sniffer app **got** a connection from the OSX box and the logs on the server confirm multiple cvs connections from the OSX box (complete with valid IP and fully qualified domain). If it was a 'search domain' problem then the connection wouldn't happen and things like ping wouldn't work either. The cvs host got the connection, it just wouldn't authenticate. Very bizarre ... ./aj on 4/3/01 4:38 PM, you wrote: > On Tuesday, April 3, 2001, at 10:14 , Bruce Toback wrote: > >> Alykhan Jetha writes: >> >>> On all *internal* platforms, the CVSROOT was as follows: >>> >>> CVSROOT = :pserver:@max:/mnt/CVS_REPO >>> >>> Remember, this works fine on all platform - even Mac OS 8.6 and Winblows. >>> >>> Changing to the following environment variable solved the problem: >>> >>> CVSROOT = :pserver:@max.marketcircle.com:/mnt/CVS_REPO >> >> This looks very much like the OSX machine doesn't have its domain name >> configured properly. The only thing that's used for is to determine the >> fully-qualified domain name when doing name resolution; that's why >> supplying a fully-qualified name solves the problem. > > That's not related to the domain name. The right correction is: > > System Preferences -> Network -> Configure Built-in Ethernet -> Search > Domains = "marketcircle.com" From cputney at whistler.net Tue Apr 3 15:32:00 2001 From: cputney at whistler.net (Colin Putney) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:37 2005 Subject: MySQL/PHP4 on OS X ? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200104032232.PAA15655@Marvin.cyberstore.ca> On Tuesday, April 3, 2001, at 01:55 PM, miles wrote: > So (enough foreshadowing, ya think ?) what is entailed in > downloading and installing MySQL for OS X ? I would like > to install MySQL for OS X but there is NO build for OS X at > this time...Im not the greatest UNIX whiz out there...so lets > keep this simple...are there any instructions as to how to > install for OS X that someone of you has done...????? or > what is entailed in creating a build for OS X ? Mysql 3.23.36 compiles fairly painlessly on OS X. There's one syntax error that's really easy to fix. (If you know C.) Here's how it goes. I build stuff in /Developer/Sources. You'll need to create that directory or use another one. You'll also need to be a member of the admin group. cd /Developer/Sources wget http://www.mysql.com/Downloads/MySQL-3.23/mysql-3.23.36.tar.gz gnutar zxvf mysql-3.23.36.tar.gz cd mysql-3.23.36 ./configure make The compile will crap out with a syntax error. The offending file is sql/mysqld.cc. Change line 1241 to this: sa.sa_handler=( void (*)(int) ) handle_segfault; The error message will be helpful here. Then restart the make: make When it's done, go ahead and install. sudo make install You'll have to enter your password. And away you go. > And while we are on the subject, what about PHP4 ? The PHP4 that ships with FC is broken. You need to download the sources and compile. Cheers, Colin ----------------------------------------------------------------- Colin Putney Whistler.com From uli at ritual.org Tue Apr 3 15:41:23 2001 From: uli at ritual.org (Uli Zappe) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:37 2005 Subject: localhost Message-ID: <14kXVB-0o8wwiC@fmrl03.sul.t-online.com> Am Donnerstag, M?rz 29, 2001, um 10:56 PM, schrieb Eric Peyton: > Yes, edit your /etc/hostconfig file and replace -AUTOMATIC- with > your real hostname. In PB, this was possible in System Preferences (Network). Why did Apple kill a GUI that was already there? Bye Uli ________________________________________________________ Uli Zappe uli@ritual.org Lorscher Stra?e 5 http://www.ritual.org D-60489 Frankfurt Fon: +49-700-ULIZAPPE Germany Fax: +49-700-ZAPPEFAX ________________________________________________________ From electron at idiom.com Tue Apr 3 15:48:20 2001 From: electron at idiom.com (Shon Sherwood) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:37 2005 Subject: Testing for sub via email help Message-ID: From lists at colorremedies.com Tue Apr 3 15:53:34 2001 From: lists at colorremedies.com (Chris Murphy) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:37 2005 Subject: performance (again) Message-ID: <200104032252.PAA24135@avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net> >Ah....17 years of GUI development versus the 1-2 years of GUI >development. The whole Aqua thing only came about in the last year >and a half and the pre-OSX GUI had 17 years to be fully optimized >with various video cards and processors. Oh please - DPS on OS X Server was better than this on the same hardware I'm running right now. This is not just a maturity issue. Besides, QuickDraw application send their QuickDraw requests through Classic and Classic dumps them into the QuickDraw portion of Quartz (Core Graphics Rendering) - so ultimately Quartz has to deal with window serving Classic applications also. Yet Classic application performance is at least tolerable (it might be slower but it's not enough for me to have a gripe about it in the least). And I note that my video card drivers don't load with Classic - graphic acceleration icons at startup have an X through them indicating they aren't being loaded. I'm sorry but I don't buy this argument. > Gaining maturity takes >time folks. Maturity I can deal with. But this OS is frustrating to use. It's a PITA a lot of the time actually. It lacks reponsiveness to the seemingly simpliest of commands that are GUI related. Apple needs to work this out or have a BTO option of having OS X pre-installed or not come; but either way you get an OS X CD. It's not even close to prime time readiness for Apple's core market. Chris Murphy Color Remedies (tm) Boulder, CO 303-415-9932 From lists at colorremedies.com Tue Apr 3 15:53:43 2001 From: lists at colorremedies.com (Chris Murphy) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:37 2005 Subject: performance (again) Message-ID: <200104032253.PAA24404@avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net> >Preemptive Multitasking is used by Mac OS X and most (all?) Unixen. Each >process operates as though it always has control of the processor, but >is transparently interrupted by the OS when another process is due for >scheduling. The process can only use as much processor time as the OS >allows it. Without prioriziation, it's possible for a single application to demand more resources than other tasks. If those tasks don't make as much of a request for resources a single task can feasibly bring the OS to a crawl. In fact this is exactly what I experience on an irregular basis (although Classic is much more well behaved that it used to be in this regard). It doesn't make sense to me that a WEB BROWSER can have as much priority as the kernel and for this to be considered premption in the purest sense. OK yes preemption still occurs, but an otherwise less important task can consume as many resources as a more important task at this point with OS X/Darwin. So call it pre-emption if you like but I don't consider it either efficient or proper pre-emption. >Notice that process prioritization is a separate issue from the type of >multitasking used. OS gurus feel free to correct me, but this is the >basic situation. Prioritization is like a more logical/advanced way to implement pre-emption because you can better allocate resources to more important tasks. Without prioritization a lowly task can eat up resources, possibly faster than the task can be force quit, and in exteme cases even before remote login to kill the app can happen. Both have happened to me with this OS. When an application is so tied up with itself that you can't even drag a window - that has the appearance to the user of having a lack of preemption. Preemption to me, from a user experience standpoint isn't just about the OS itself scheduling tasks; but it's about certain tasks being more important than others. I feel like I should be able to drag a window to relocate it no matter what a lowly GUI application is doing. WindowManager should have more priority than Exploder for example. Chris Murphy Color Remedies (tm) Boulder, CO 303-415-9932 From lists at colorremedies.com Tue Apr 3 15:53:55 2001 From: lists at colorremedies.com (Chris Murphy) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:37 2005 Subject: performance (again) Message-ID: <200104032253.PAA25737@avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net> >Umm, it does not give everything a nice level of 0 that?s what, you asked >if all Unix's behaved like that, remember ? I remember but you're using pronouns like "it" and you haven't referred to what "it" is. Like the above statement, it's unclear what "it" you're referring to is. Chris Murphy Color Remedies (tm) Boulder, CO 303-415-9932 From dluke at geeklair.net Tue Apr 3 15:59:04 2001 From: dluke at geeklair.net (Daniel J. Luke) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:37 2005 Subject: performance (again) In-Reply-To: <200104032252.PAA24135@avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net>; from lists@colorremedies.com on Tue, Apr 03, 2001 at 04:52:59PM -0600 References: <200104032252.PAA24135@avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20010403185850.C17979@geeklair.net> On Tue, Apr 03, 2001 at 04:52:59PM -0600, Chris Murphy wrote: > Oh please - DPS on OS X Server was better than this on the same hardware > I'm running right now. This is not just a maturity issue. What does this have to do with anything? Aqua is not DPS. > Maturity I can deal with. But this OS is frustrating to use. It's a PITA > a lot of the time actually. It lacks reponsiveness to the seemingly > simpliest of commands that are GUI related. ... I don't have any problems using it -- in fact it's a joy for me :-) > Apple needs to work this out or have a BTO option of having OS X > pre-installed or not come; but either way you get an OS X CD. It's not > even close to prime time readiness for Apple's core market. ... if you are referring to Apple's traditional market in publishing, then you are probably right, but the simple solution for those people is to simply wait for a later version of Mac OS X. Personally, I can't run an operating system that doesn't give me access to a good SQL database (not anymore, at least), and on Mac OS X I get postgresql -- on Mac OS 9 I get nothing. -- Daniel J. Luke +========================================================+ | *---------------- dluke@geeklair.net ----------------* | | *-------------- http://www.geeklair.net -------------* | +========================================================+ | Opinions expressed are mine and do not necessarily | | reflect the opinions of my employer. | +========================================================+ From nibs at mac.com Tue Apr 3 16:00:51 2001 From: nibs at mac.com (marquis logan) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:37 2005 Subject: performance (again) In-Reply-To: <200104032104.OAA23097@falcon.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <200104032259.PAA25691@smtpout.mac.com> On Tuesday, April 3, 2001, at 05:04 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: > I don't consider it pre-emptive in a pure sense when the kernel itself > has no more priority than a frickin' web browser. in mach, (iirc) kernel threads have their own scheduling queue and get priority over user threads. i'd have to check, but i don't see why this would have changed in darwin. in darwin, in general, kernel resources are wired down, and the kernel reserves a small amount of extra ram so that when resources get too low, it has some overhead to aggressively page out active pages... user processes can ~starve other processes, but i don't see how they can starve the kernel. nibs From michael at hesta.com Tue Apr 3 16:01:58 2001 From: michael at hesta.com (michael@hesta.com) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:37 2005 Subject: Office 98 [Word] file save snafu! Message-ID: Wierd. This behavior has only popped up since final release. Open a file saved *off* the local drive (ie a network AFS drive) make some changes and then try and save it. Word (classic) gives the error message "The disk is full or too many files are open. (file-name) " But you can make a file and save to that same disk....when you open it again the above behavior happens as well. This happens on AFS shared disks from MacOSXServer 1.x as well as MacOSX shared disks as well. Excel however does not have this problem. Any ideas? From sanguish at digifix.com Tue Apr 3 16:02:56 2001 From: sanguish at digifix.com (Scott Anguish) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:37 2005 Subject: MySQL/PHP4 on OS X ? In-Reply-To: <200104032232.PAA15655@Marvin.cyberstore.ca> Message-ID: On Tuesday, April 3, 2001, at 06:31 PM, Colin Putney wrote: > Mysql 3.23.36 compiles fairly painlessly on OS X. There's one > syntax error that's really easy to fix. (If you know C.) > Except that it fails most all of the tests. This is why I've not been in a hurry to put out an article on it. From david.teran at cluster9.com Tue Apr 3 16:04:02 2001 From: david.teran at cluster9.com (David Teran) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:37 2005 Subject: AirPort and Classic Message-ID: Hi, i have an powerbook running oxs (4k78) and installed an airport card. at the beginning, i think i could check my mails with an classic-application. then, i started to switch something and now it is impossible to make an tcp/ip connection from the classic environment. i installed a new 9.1 system folder, but it does not work. what i do not understand is that i can use ppp-connect from osx to establish an internet connection that i can use with classic. no port-reflector needed anymore. any help would be great. thanks, david From dluke at geeklair.net Tue Apr 3 16:08:52 2001 From: dluke at geeklair.net (Daniel J. Luke) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:37 2005 Subject: performance (again) In-Reply-To: <200104032253.PAA24404@avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net>; from lists@colorremedies.com on Tue, Apr 03, 2001 at 04:53:02PM -0600 References: <200104032253.PAA24404@avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20010403190846.D17979@geeklair.net> On Tue, Apr 03, 2001 at 04:53:02PM -0600, Chris Murphy wrote: > Without prioriziation, it's possible for a single application to demand > more resources than other tasks. If those tasks don't make as much of a > request for resources a single task can feasibly bring the OS to a crawl. > In fact this is exactly what I experience on an irregular basis (although > Classic is much more well behaved that it used to be in this regard). You are confused... instead of prioritization, it sounds like you want resource limits (so that no process can consume all of a resource). > It doesn't make sense to me that a WEB BROWSER can have as much priority > as the kernel and for this to be considered premption in the purest > sense. It doesn't ... the kernel's scheduler doles out processor resources to the Web browser ;-) > OK yes preemption still occurs, but an otherwise less important > task can consume as many resources as a more important task at this point > with OS X/Darwin. Please explain how the kernel is supposed to know which user processes are 'more important' than others (and if the user is supposed to give the kernel this information, please explain the UI). ... better yet, give this info to Apple ;-) > So call it pre-emption if you like but I don't consider it either > efficient or proper pre-emption. You can consider it whatever you want (Apple considers it a bug -- and AFAIK the mach priority stuff is there and working, it's just the BSD level 'nice' stuff that is not working correctly). I prefer to go with the 'normal' (accepted) definition of technical terms. > Preemption to me, from a user experience standpoint isn't > just about the OS itself scheduling tasks; ... but that is what the word means (your problem is with something else). -- Daniel J. Luke +========================================================+ | *---------------- dluke@geeklair.net ----------------* | | *-------------- http://www.geeklair.net -------------* | +========================================================+ | Opinions expressed are mine and do not necessarily | | reflect the opinions of my employer. | +========================================================+ From nibs at mac.com Tue Apr 3 16:13:48 2001 From: nibs at mac.com (marquis logan) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:37 2005 Subject: Need Help Installing PHP4 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200104032312.QAA27446@smtpout.mac.com> On Tuesday, April 3, 2001, at 05:56 PM, Walter Lee Davis wrote: > Add --disable-pear to your configure statement. I believe you are > getting > the pear/Pear thing here, and unless you are burning with desire to use > pear, you can step neatly around the whole problem this way. > alternatively, it may possible to create a writable ufs image (like with mac os 9), mount it, and do the build there... i haven't completely familiarized myself with the disk utility tools in os x (i have a mac os x server volume that i oft do builds on) but that might work...i think mount_mfs does something like this... nibs From rogerc at mac.com Tue Apr 3 16:21:45 2001 From: rogerc at mac.com (Roger Carlson) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:37 2005 Subject: wget, rsync, or ...? In-Reply-To: <20010403185850.C17979@geeklair.net> Message-ID: <200104032321.QAA16986@spelunker.keyway.net> I've got to move some big files around. Some of the moves will be behind a firewall, on a lan, others will be over the net. Any recommendations for whether I go with rsync or a cron-automated wget? I seem to recall that there were some security concerns with rsync since it uses rsh, but I'm not sure that wget (using the ftp port) is necessarily safer. thanks in advance, Roger From rob at prometheusmedia.com Tue Apr 3 16:26:10 2001 From: rob at prometheusmedia.com (Robert Brandtjen) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:37 2005 Subject: performance (again) In-Reply-To: <200104032253.PAA25737@avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Message-ID: on 4/3/01 5:53 PM, Chris Murphy at lists@colorremedies.com wrote: > > I remember but you're using pronouns like "it" and you haven't referred > to what "it" is. Like the above statement, it's unclear what "it" you're > referring to is. Very clearly I referred to it as being OSXS. Reread my post - unless entourage crashed you again. Robert Brandtjen -------------------------------------- Web Site Creation and Hosting Services Hostmaster@prometheusmedia.com www.prometheusmedia.com From jfieber at indiana.edu Tue Apr 3 16:27:01 2001 From: jfieber at indiana.edu (John fieber) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:37 2005 Subject: performance (again) In-Reply-To: <200104032104.OAA23097@falcon.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <200104032326.SAA28271@ella.slis.indiana.edu> On Tuesday, April 3, 2001, at 04:04 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: >> No, pre-emptive multitasking does _not_ imply process prioritization. > > If the application asks for more resources, it basically gets them on a > priority basis. If all apps have the same priority then that means a > single application can hog so many system resources it can bring down > the > system. And that's exactly what I've experienced with Classic, Finder > and > even the Dock (once). > > I don't consider it pre-emptive in a pure sense when the kernel itself > has no more priority than a frickin' web browser. 100 times a second the kernel looks at the state of the run queues and decides if the process which currently has the CPU should continue or if another process should get a crack at it. The algorithm for making the decision of who gets the CPU next is completely independent of whether or not the system is pre-emptive. The mach 3 kernel has three scheduling policies: timeshare, round robin and fifo. Timeshare implements a traditional unix-style priority adjustment that lowers the priority of processes that are largely CPU bound on the assumption that they are background number crunching type applicaitons. Furthermore, the traditional Unix approach has a "nice" level that the user or administrator can set such that all processes of a given nice level are given an opportunity to run before processes of a higher nice level. THIS IS NOT CURRENTLY IMPLEMENTED IN DARWIN/OSX. Round robbin and fifo are both "realtime" scheduling policies with fixed priorities. With round robbin, each thread at a given level is given an equal time slice, then the next and so on. With fifo, the threads at the same priority are serialized such that one is completely blocked until the one before it finishes. In a traditional Unix world, a process is the entity which is scheduled to run on the CPU. In OSX a process is associated with one mach task and a task has threads. It is the threads that are scheduled, but the task does have some scheduling parameters such as the default priority for newly created threads. To have a look at ALL threads in the system, with priorities, try: ps -xacM The nice parameter (NI) may have a non-zero value, but that is irrelevant for now. The priority (PRI) is the priority that the kernel has calculated. The base priority is 31. Processes under one of the realtime scheduling policies start at 96. Note that if you do a ps without the -M option, the priority shown for the process is that of the highest priority thread. So, don't be alarmed if, for example, the priority of OmniWeb bounces up to 96 when it loads the quicktime plugin. If you list all the threads, you will find only one thread with that priority and the other gazillion OmniWeb threads are at more or less normal priorities. Astute observers will now note that implementing "nice" isn't exactly straight forward when a process may be composed of numerous threads following different scheduling policies. The correct behavior of renice isn't completely clear. Okay, so that scratches the surface of how OSX deals with just one resource, the CPU(s). Most other resources, like disk i/o and memory, are allocated on a first come, first served basis. This too is pretty much how it is done in the rest of the Unix universe. I don't know if this clarifies anything for anyone. I'll be the first to say that there appears to be a LOT of room for performance improvement in the kernel. Current lmbench results are pretty depressing when compared to, say, FreeBSD on roughly equivalent hardware. But FreeBSD has a pretty good head start. OSX is still largely at the stage of just getting everything to work correctly. Getting things to work optimally is a bit down the road I think. And this state of affairs is fine with me. I'd much rather be in this state than in the Microsoft state where they don't bother much with the part about making it work correctly. -john From eugene at anime.net Tue Apr 3 16:34:31 2001 From: eugene at anime.net (Eugene Lee) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:37 2005 Subject: performance (again) In-Reply-To: <200104032253.PAA24404@avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net>; from lists@colorremedies.com on Tue, Apr 03, 2001 at 04:53:02PM -0600 References: <200104032253.PAA24404@avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20010403163449.A30448@anime.net> On Tue, Apr 03, 2001 at 04:53:02PM -0600, Chris Murphy wrote: : : Without prioriziation, it's possible for a single application to demand : more resources than other tasks. Just because an app demands more resources doesn't mean it will get them. And even if an app has lots of resources doesn't mean it will get to keep them. That's what preemption is all about. Now the choice to preempt may be based on some priority scheme, or the kernel needs to avoid some deadlock, or there are some real-time constraints in there. -- Eugene Lee eugene@anime.net From jfieber at indiana.edu Tue Apr 3 16:41:51 2001 From: jfieber at indiana.edu (John fieber) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:37 2005 Subject: [Mac OSX] performance (again) In-Reply-To: <200104032210.PAA15320@Marvin.cyberstore.ca> Message-ID: <200104032341.SAA28474@ella.slis.indiana.edu> On Tuesday, April 3, 2001, at 05:10 PM, Colin Putney wrote: > Process Prioritization is the scheme the OS uses to schedule processes. > This is highly OS-specific. OS 9, for example, gives priority to which > ever process is in the foreground. Unix uses nice values. Actually, Unix does not use nice values as the PRIMARY way of assigning priority; just look at the nice values of everything on a Unix system and you will find that essentially everything is at the same level, yet they don't get equal treatment by the scheduler. The primary priority assignment is done automatically based on historical CPU usage patterns. When it comes to scheduling a process, the nice level comes into play in that processes at a low nice level that want to run are always run before processes at a higher nice level. Thus, a CPU bound process with a low nice level can completely starve processes with a higher nice level. But if you put a CPU bound process at a high nice level, it will absorb all free CPU cycles without getting in the way of "normal" processes when they want to run. -john From sharding at dogcow.org Tue Apr 3 16:48:32 2001 From: sharding at dogcow.org (Sean Harding) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:37 2005 Subject: wget, rsync, or ...? In-Reply-To: <200104032321.QAA16986@spelunker.keyway.net>; from rogerc@mac.com on Tue, Apr 03, 2001 at 04:09:42PM -0700 References: <20010403185850.C17979@geeklair.net> <200104032321.QAA16986@spelunker.keyway.net> Message-ID: <20010403164808.F30405@dogcow.org> On Tue Apr 03 at 04:09:42 PM, Roger Carlson wrote: > for whether I go with rsync or a cron-automated wget? I seem to recall > that there were some security concerns with rsync since it uses rsh, but It's trivial to make rsync use ssh instead of rsh (--rsh=ssh). I'd consider using rsync over ssh to be a considerably better option than setting up an ftp or http server just to allow wget. sean -- Sean Harding sharding@dogcow.org |"Don't spread discontent, don't http://www.dogcow.org/sean/ | spread the lies." | --Natalie Merchant From lists at colorremedies.com Tue Apr 3 17:05:21 2001 From: lists at colorremedies.com (Chris Murphy) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:37 2005 Subject: performance (again) Message-ID: <200104040004.RAA25238@avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net> >I'd much rather be in this state >than in the Microsoft state where they don't bother much with the part >about making it work correctly. While I agree with this in a broad sense, I think in the situation with OS X it depends on your point of view. I can't print, I can't scan, I can't backup to a tape drive - I can't do lots of things where in a simplistic way I can accurately say "it's not working correctly." A better way to say it would be "it's not finished" but effectively it's not working correctly as working correctly would mean I could print and scan, and it's not just about the lack of drivers although that's part of it. I have only successfully printed from within Classic (on X) to a single model of inkjet printer - Epson 777i. All of the other drivers I've used have either given a communication error, can't find the printer, or crash Classic once the print button has been pressed. BTW thanks for the information on multitasking, priorities, etc. that was good stuff. Chris Murphy Color Remedies (tm) Boulder, CO 303-415-9932 From cputney at whistler.net Tue Apr 3 17:47:05 2001 From: cputney at whistler.net (Colin Putney) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:37 2005 Subject: MySQL/PHP4 on OS X ? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200104040047.RAA17520@Marvin.cyberstore.ca> On Tuesday, April 3, 2001, at 04:00 PM, Scott Anguish wrote: > > On Tuesday, April 3, 2001, at 06:31 PM, Colin Putney wrote: >> Mysql 3.23.36 compiles fairly painlessly on OS X. There's one >> syntax error that's really easy to fix. (If you know C.) >> > > Except that it fails most all of the tests. This is why I've not > been in a hurry to put out an article on it. Yeah, I ran into that too. I don't know what's up there. The odd thing is that in practice it works fine. I'm using my OS X box as a development environment for PHP/MySQL apps that get deployed on Solaris. So far the only problem I've had with MySQL on OS X is that it won't exit cleanly. You have to do a kill -9 on it. And if you use safe_mysqld, you have to kill it at the same time or it respawns mysqld. -Colin ----------------------------------------------------------------- Colin Putney Whistler.com From jcramp at acm.jhu.edu Tue Apr 3 18:04:20 2001 From: jcramp at acm.jhu.edu (John Cramp) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:37 2005 Subject: vim syntax coloring Message-ID: <20010403210418.C29827@chimera.acm.jhu.edu> I'm having some trouble getting this to work. I found this message: http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/archive/macosx-admin/2000-July/003181.html And copied the relevant info into a ~/.termcap file. I also added the 5 lines he provided into my .tcshrc file. When I try to run vim, however, I get this message: Terminal entry not found in terminfo 'vt100' not known. Available builtin terminals are: builtin_ansi builtin_xterm builtin_iris-ansi builtin_dumb defaulting to 'ansi' So I'm wondering if vim is even looking in the right place for the termcap? `setenv TERM vt100' works fine in tcsh, so the shell can find the definition in the termcap. If I change the TERM variable to `xterm', however, vim doesn't complain (but colors don't work, naturally). Does anyone know what's going on? Thanks in advance. --john P.S. The version of vim I have is from geeklair.net, and I was also messing around with the global termcap file, but I replaced it with the original and re-ran `cap_mkdb termcap' so everything should back to normal. From rob at prometheusmedia.com Tue Apr 3 18:28:49 2001 From: rob at prometheusmedia.com (Robert Brandtjen) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:37 2005 Subject: performance (again) In-Reply-To: <200104032352.QAA24337@snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Message-ID: on 4/3/01 6:52 PM, Chris Murphy at lists@colorremedies.com wrote: > Very unclearly. You did not refer to it as being OS X because you never > defined it. You just refer to it as it from the get go. No, I did make it very clear - how much clearer does it have to be? ------ Forwarded Message From: Robert Brandtjen Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 16:16:03 -0500 To: Chris Murphy , Subject: Re: performance (again) on 4/3/01 4:04 PM, Chris Murphy at lists@colorremedies.com wrote: > Is BSD like this also? Or is Darwin unique in this regard compared to > other Unices? OSXS IS NOT LIKE THAT - Robert Brandtjen -------------------------------------- Web Site Creation and Hosting Services Hostmaster@prometheusmedia.com www.prometheusmedia.com ------ End of Forwarded Message Robert Brandtjen -------------------------------------- Web Site Creation and Hosting Services Hostmaster@prometheusmedia.com www.prometheusmedia.com From devguy at zerologic.com Tue Apr 3 18:37:41 2001 From: devguy at zerologic.com (Michael Sitarzewski) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:37 2005 Subject: Need Help Installing PHP4 In-Reply-To: <200104032132.OAA27258@swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <200104040137.SAA02887@omnigroup.com> You don't have to do what the others are saying. Follow my instructions at http://www.zerologic.com/neologic/ Everything will be fine. Michael. On Tuesday, April 3, 2001, at 04:32 PM, Robert Allen wrote: > I'm running OS X GM on a B&W G3 on which I have installed Apache 1.3.19 > successfully and now I'm trying to get PHP 4.0.4 up and running, but > I've run into a snag when running the 'make install' command. The build > fails with these errors: > > ... > + /Users/blacksun/php4/build/shtool install -c -m 644 > /Users/blacksun/php4/pear/Mail/smtp.php /usr/local/lib/php/Mail/ > + /Users/blacksun/php4/build/shtool install -c -m 644 > /Users/blacksun/php4/pear/Net/SMTP.php /usr/local/lib/php/Net/ > + /Users/blacksun/php4/build/shtool install -c -m 644 > /Users/blacksun/php4/pear/Net/Socket.php /usr/local/lib/php/Net/ > + /Users/blacksun/php4/build/shtool install -c -m 644 > /Users/blacksun/php4/pear/PEAR/Installer.php /usr/local/lib/php/PEAR/ > + /Users/blacksun/php4/build/shtool install -c -m 644 > /Users/blacksun/php4/pear/Payment/Verisign.php > /usr/local/lib/php/Payment/ > + /Users/blacksun/php4/build/shtool install -c -m 644 > /Users/blacksun/php4/pear/XML/Parser.php /usr/local/lib/php/XML/ > + /Users/blacksun/php4/build/shtool install -c -m 644 PEAR.php > /usr/local/lib/php > creating header file hierarchy > /Users/blacksun/php4/build/shtool mkdir -p /usr/local/lib/php/build > /usr/local/bin && \ > (cd /Users/blacksun/php4 && cp pear/pear.m4 build/fastgen.sh > build/library.mk build/ltlib.mk build/mkdep.awk build/program.mk > build/rules.mk build/rules_common.mk build/rules_pear.mk > build/dynlib.mk build/shtool dynlib.m4 acinclude.m4 > /usr/local/lib/php/build) > /Users/blacksun/php4/build/shtool install -c -m 755 > /Users/blacksun/php4/pear/phpextdist /usr/local/bin/phpextdist > for prog in phpize php-config pear; do \ > /Users/blacksun/php4/build/shtool install -c -m 755 $prog > /usr/local/bin/$prog; \ > done > cp: pear is a directory (not copied). > make[2]: *** [install-programs] Error 1 > make[1]: *** [install-recursive] Error 1 > make: *** [install-recursive] Error 1 > [localhost:/Users/blacksun/php4] root# > > I don't know what to make of this at all. I looked for a debug.log > file, but there wasn't one. > > Prior to this, I ran the './configuration' and 'make' commands > successfully. With './configure' I included the following options: > > ./configure \ > --enable-track-vars \ > --with-apxs=/usr/sbin/apxs \ > --without-gd \ > --without-mysql > > After that I ran 'make' with no apparent (to me) problems. Does anyone > have thoughts on this? > > Thanks in advance, > Robert. > > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-admin mailing list > MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin > From jfieber at indiana.edu Tue Apr 3 19:57:28 2001 From: jfieber at indiana.edu (John Fieber) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:37 2005 Subject: performance (again) In-Reply-To: <200104032253.PAA24404@avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 3 Apr 2001, Chris Murphy wrote: > So call it pre-emption if you like but I don't consider it either > efficient or proper pre-emption. Could you carefuly describe what you mean by proper pre-emption then? -john From lance at mac.com Tue Apr 3 20:22:37 2001 From: lance at mac.com (Lance M. Westerhoff) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:37 2005 Subject: performance (again) In-Reply-To: <200104032252.PAA24135@avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net> References: <200104032252.PAA24135@avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Message-ID: At 4:52 PM -0600 4/3/01, Chris Murphy wrote: >>Ah....17 years of GUI development versus the 1-2 years of GUI >>development. The whole Aqua thing only came about in the last year >>and a half and the pre-OSX GUI had 17 years to be fully optimized >>with various video cards and processors. > >Oh please - DPS on OS X Server was better than this on the same hardware >I'm running right now. This is not just a maturity issue. > GUI-wise, maturity is a much bigger issue then you think. For the most part, OSXS can be thought of as a port of OpenStep with some platinum-stuff thrown in. DPS has nothing to do with the current OSX. They switched to PDF last year. Similarly, Quartz and Aqua are both "new inventions" in that OSXS did not have them. Lastly, the finder is also completely new. When you think about it, about the only similarities between OSXS and OSX are some of the Core technologies (referred to as Darwin now - and even Darwin has changed considerably) and a lot of the core of cocoa. Taking these issues into consideration, the current OSX GUI is almost completely new from the ground up. Further, Carbon as an API was only finalized in the last 3-6 months. That basically means that it become "feature complete" very recently. Optimization is the last thing you do in any development cycle so I would expect that over the next 3-12 months a massive amount of optimization will take place. Again, Rome wasn't built in a day. Accept that you bought an OS that is for EARLY ADOPTERS. >Besides, QuickDraw application send their QuickDraw requests through >Classic and Classic dumps them into the QuickDraw portion of Quartz (Core >Graphics Rendering) - so ultimately Quartz has to deal with window >serving Classic applications also. Yet Classic application performance is >at least tolerable (it might be slower but it's not enough for me to have >a gripe about it in the least). And I note that my video card drivers >don't load with Classic - graphic acceleration icons at startup have an X >through them indicating they aren't being loaded. While this is true that data is passed through Quartz, the amount of "work" Quartz must do is minimal. Do classic windows have shadows? Do classic windows look like Aqua windows? Do classic windows redraw the same way as Aqua windows? etc..etc.. Someone else may have a better understanding what exactly Quartz does for these classic.app windows, but I am pretty sure that, for the most part, Quartz is just acting as a bridge. -Lance -- _____________________ Lance M. Westerhoff PennState Chemistry Graduate Researcher & UNIX Systems Administrator - Merz Computational Biochemistry Research Group Phone: 814-863-7591 Email: lance@mac.com Web: http://merz.chem.psu.edu/~lance/ **************************************************** MacOSX: Combining the power of UNIX and the openness of Linux with the ease of use and broad applications base of Macintosh. http://www.apple.com/macosx/ **************************************************** From lists at colorremedies.com Tue Apr 3 21:02:28 2001 From: lists at colorremedies.com (Chris Murphy) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:37 2005 Subject: performance (again) Message-ID: <200104040401.VAA14838@scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Lance M. Westerhoff, lance@mac.com writes: >Accept that you bought an OS that >is for EARLY ADOPTERS. It's derelict for Apple to be marketing it otherwise. >While this is true that data is passed through Quartz, the amount of >"work" Quartz must do is minimal. Do classic windows have shadows? a.) I hardly think that this causes a ten fold performance decrease. b.) If there is a substantial performance decrease due to this "feature" and others like it, then Apple needs to make it optional so that it doesn't drag down performance in exchange for lickable fluff that has no real purpose. >Do classic windows look like Aqua windows? Who cares what they look like? I can use Liquid Icons with appearance manager on OS 9 to give it the Aqua look and feel and it doesn't cause OS 9 to slow down at all. > Do classic windows redraw >the same way as Aqua windows? With Power Windows yes, and the performance hit is minimal. With OS X it's ridiculous. Chris Murphy Color Remedies (tm) Boulder, CO 303-415-9932 From mike at arcticsw.com Tue Apr 3 22:02:31 2001 From: mike at arcticsw.com (Michael Juarez) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:37 2005 Subject: Problems after using MySQL, PHP and Apache Message-ID: I was trying to install Apache and PHP according to the directions provided on stepwise.com, but before installing PHP, I installed MySQL according to directions that they provide and it successfully installed. Now, I installed PHP, and apache will not start up and will continue to give the response... dyld: /usr/sbin/httpd Undefined symbols: _compress _uncompress /usr/sbin/apachectl start: httpd could not be started Can anyone please help me? -- Michael Juarez mike@arcticsw.com -- Arctic Software http://www.arcticsw.com From colin at whistler.com Tue Apr 3 22:34:16 2001 From: colin at whistler.com (Colin Putney) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:37 2005 Subject: Problems after using MySQL, PHP and Apache In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200104040533.WAA20325@Marvin.cyberstore.ca> On Tuesday, April 3, 2001, at 10:02 PM, Michael Juarez wrote: > I was trying to install Apache and PHP according to the directions > provided > on stepwise.com, but before installing PHP, I installed MySQL according > to > directions that they provide and it successfully installed. Now, I > installed PHP, and apache will not start up and will continue to give > the > response... > > dyld: /usr/sbin/httpd Undefined symbols: > _compress > _uncompress > /usr/sbin/apachectl start: httpd could not be started I ran into this as well. I got it to work by configuring PHP to use it's built-in MySQL client library rather than the one installed by the MySQL distribution. To do this, you need to change your configure command from something like this: ./configure --with-mysql=/usr/local --with-apxs to one that doesn't specify where to find mysql: ./configure --with-mysql --with-apxs This will work correctly, provided that there aren't any other MySQL client libraries linked into you Apache binary - for example mod_auth_mysql. The PHP configure script produces a warning on this point as well. After that, PHP should compile and install as normal. Cheers, Colin -------------------------------------- Colin Putney Whistler.com From sstevenson at mac.com Tue Apr 3 22:38:59 2001 From: sstevenson at mac.com (Scott Stevenson) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:37 2005 Subject: [Mac OSX] performance (again) In-Reply-To: <200104032048.NAA04951@falcon.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <200104040537.WAA16809@smtpout.mac.com> On Tuesday, April 3, 2001, at 01:48 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: >> nice/renice don't do anything in Darwin/Mac OS X. > > Ahh so what we have is "virtual pre-emptive multitasking" on OS X. That > makes a lot of sense... Nice/renice are BSD commands, they're not wired into the Mach scheduler. This doesn't mean that tasks can't be prioritized by the OS. - Scott -- Scott Stevenson http://wildtofu.com/ http://maxify.com/ From dmz-lists at tffenterprises.com Tue Apr 3 22:55:03 2001 From: dmz-lists at tffenterprises.com (Daniel M. Zimmerman) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:37 2005 Subject: [Mac OSX] performance (again) In-Reply-To: <200104040537.WAA16809@smtpout.mac.com> References: <200104040537.WAA16809@smtpout.mac.com> Message-ID: <461073.986338500@babylon2.tffenterprises.com> --On tisdag 3 april 2001 22:37 -0700 Scott Stevenson wrote: > Nice/renice are BSD commands, they're not wired into the Mach scheduler. > This doesn't mean that tasks can't be prioritized by the OS. Yeah, but the fact that the setpriority() call doesn't do anything when running the Darwin 1.3 kernel _does_ mean that (userland) tasks can't be prioritized by the OS. Of course, the relevant bug seems to have been removed from the public Darwin bug database for some reason (it was bug number 2320119). -Dan ------------------------------------------------------------------ Daniel M. Zimmerman TFF Enterprises M/S 256-80 - Caltech http://www.tffenterprises.com/ Pasadena, California 91125 USA dmz@tffenterprises.com From blacksun1958 at earthlink.net Tue Apr 3 22:57:23 2001 From: blacksun1958 at earthlink.net (Robert Allen) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:37 2005 Subject: Need Help Installing PHP4 In-Reply-To: <200104031837.tckumk.arq.37tiu4s@merlin> Message-ID: <200104040557.WAA06392@albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Thanks, your instructions solved my build problem. Now, I've what I hope is my final sticking point. After successfully installing php 4.0.4, I started up apache pointed my browser to 127.0.0.1/test.php and was dismayed to see that it did not process the php code at all. I hope this will be my last call for help on this. On Tuesday, April 3, 2001, at 08:37 PM, Michael Sitarzewski wrote: > You don't have to do what the others are saying. Follow my instructions > at http://www.zerologic.com/neologic/ > > Everything will be fine. > > Michael. > > On Tuesday, April 3, 2001, at 04:32 PM, Robert Allen wrote: > >> I'm running OS X GM on a B&W G3 on which I have installed Apache >> 1.3.19 successfully and now I'm trying to get PHP 4.0.4 up and >> running, but I've run into a snag when running the 'make install' >> command. The build fails with these errors: >> >> ... >> + /Users/blacksun/php4/build/shtool install -c -m 644 >> /Users/blacksun/php4/pear/Mail/smtp.php /usr/local/lib/php/Mail/ >> + /Users/blacksun/php4/build/shtool install -c -m 644 >> /Users/blacksun/php4/pear/Net/SMTP.php /usr/local/lib/php/Net/ >> + /Users/blacksun/php4/build/shtool install -c -m 644 >> /Users/blacksun/php4/pear/Net/Socket.php /usr/local/lib/php/Net/ >> + /Users/blacksun/php4/build/shtool install -c -m 644 >> /Users/blacksun/php4/pear/PEAR/Installer.php /usr/local/lib/php/PEAR/ >> + /Users/blacksun/php4/build/shtool install -c -m 644 >> /Users/blacksun/php4/pear/Payment/Verisign.php >> /usr/local/lib/php/Payment/ >> + /Users/blacksun/php4/build/shtool install -c -m 644 >> /Users/blacksun/php4/pear/XML/Parser.php /usr/local/lib/php/XML/ >> + /Users/blacksun/php4/build/shtool install -c -m 644 PEAR.php >> /usr/local/lib/php >> creating header file hierarchy >> /Users/blacksun/php4/build/shtool mkdir -p /usr/local/lib/php/build >> /usr/local/bin && \ >> (cd /Users/blacksun/php4 && cp pear/pear.m4 build/fastgen.sh >> build/library.mk build/ltlib.mk build/mkdep.awk build/program.mk >> build/rules.mk build/rules_common.mk build/rules_pear.mk >> build/dynlib.mk build/shtool dynlib.m4 acinclude.m4 >> /usr/local/lib/php/build) >> /Users/blacksun/php4/build/shtool install -c -m 755 >> /Users/blacksun/php4/pear/phpextdist /usr/local/bin/phpextdist >> for prog in phpize php-config pear; do \ >> /Users/blacksun/php4/build/shtool install -c -m 755 $prog >> /usr/local/bin/$prog; \ >> done >> cp: pear is a directory (not copied). >> make[2]: *** [install-programs] Error 1 >> make[1]: *** [install-recursive] Error 1 >> make: *** [install-recursive] Error 1 >> [localhost:/Users/blacksun/php4] root# >> >> I don't know what to make of this at all. I looked for a debug.log >> file, but there wasn't one. >> >> Prior to this, I ran the './configuration' and 'make' commands >> successfully. With './configure' I included the following options: >> >> ./configure \ >> --enable-track-vars \ >> --with-apxs=/usr/sbin/apxs \ >> --without-gd \ >> --without-mysql >> >> After that I ran 'make' with no apparent (to me) problems. Does anyone >> have thoughts on this? >> >> Thanks in advance, >> Robert. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> MacOSX-admin mailing list >> MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com >> http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin >> > From scott at maxify.com Tue Apr 3 23:01:07 2001 From: scott at maxify.com (Scott Stevenson) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:37 2005 Subject: [Mac OSX] performance (again) In-Reply-To: <200104032048.NAA04951@falcon.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <200104040554.WAA12290@spyhunter.maxify.com> On Tuesday, April 3, 2001, at 01:48 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: >> nice/renice don't do anything in Darwin/Mac OS X. > > Ahh so what we have is "virtual pre-emptive multitasking" on OS X. That > makes a lot of sense... Nice/renice are BSD commands, they're not wired into the Mach scheduler. This doesn't mean that tasks can't be prioritized by the OS. - Scott -- Scott Stevenson http://wildtofu.com/ http://maxify.com/ From colin at whistler.com Tue Apr 3 23:09:04 2001 From: colin at whistler.com (Colin Putney) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:37 2005 Subject: performance (again) In-Reply-To: <200104040401.VAA14838@scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <200104040609.XAA20624@Marvin.cyberstore.ca> >> Accept that you bought an OS that >> is for EARLY ADOPTERS. > > It's derelict for Apple to be marketing it otherwise. Actually, they are not marketing it otherwise: 1) Mac OS X is not automatically installed on new Macs and won't be until sometime in the summer, when a more polished and optimized release will be available. 2) Mac OS 9 is still available, despite the release of X. In fact, Mac OS X ships with a Mac OS 9 install CD. Apple is encouraging dual boot installations, so that users can fall back to Mac OS 9 when they run into the rough edges in X. 3) There was no big splash on March 24. There is a no hype right now. No TV ads, no print media with glossy pictures of Aqua, virtually no marketing at all. Even on Apple's home page, the Mac OS X splash screen rotates with Titanium Powerbooks and speed bumped G4s. 4) Mac OS X has a much bigger profile in it's communications with developers than in it's communications with users. Compared to the release of Windows 95 (which was less of a change from Windows 3.1 than X is from 9) or even the release of System 7, this was a stealth release. >> While this is true that data is passed through Quartz, the amount of >> "work" Quartz must do is minimal. Do classic windows have shadows? > > a.) I hardly think that this causes a ten fold performance decrease. Why? As Lance mentioned, Classic QuickDraw has been optimized for 17 years. It does all the rendering. Quartz just has to copy a rectangular pixelmap. > b.) If there is a substantial performance decrease due to this "feature" > and others like it, then Apple needs to make it optional so that it > doesn't drag down performance in exchange for lickable fluff that has no > real purpose. No, Apple needs to optimize it, so that it provides decent speed. Quartz is way more than just shiny buttons. As time goes on we're going to see a lot of really amazing apps as developers start to figure out just what they can make it do. >> Do classic windows look like Aqua windows? > > Who cares what they look like? I can use Liquid Icons with appearance > manager on OS 9 to give it the Aqua look and feel and it doesn't cause > OS > 9 to slow down at all. > >> Do classic windows redraw >> the same way as Aqua windows? > > With Power Windows yes, and the performance hit is minimal. With OS X > it's ridiculous. The point is that Classic renders it's GUI with older and more mature code than Aqua. Yes, you can do a few tricks to make it look kinda like Aqua, but only up to a point, since it lacks the features that Aqua has. Relax. The X user experience will only improve as Apple polishes and optimizes the code. Until then, either live with the rough edges or use OS 9. Cheers, Colin -------------------------------------- Colin Putney Whistler.com From nibs at mac.com Tue Apr 3 23:20:22 2001 From: nibs at mac.com (marquis logan) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:37 2005 Subject: performance (again) In-Reply-To: <200104040609.XAA20624@Marvin.cyberstore.ca> Message-ID: <200104040619.XAA00979@smtpout.mac.com> On Wednesday, April 4, 2001, at 01:55 AM, Daniel M. Zimmerman wrote: Yeah, but the fact that the setpriority() call doesn't do anything when running the Darwin 1.3 kernel _does_ mean that (userland) tasks can't be prioritized by the OS. this is the current scheduling policy interface: from struct task_category_policy { enum { TASK_UNSPECIFIED = 0, TASK_FOREGROUND_APPLICATION, TASK_BACKGROUND_APPLICATION, TASK_CONTROL_APPLICATION, TASK_GRAPHICS_SERVER, } role; }; there is also an interface for threads, real-time and normal : struct thread_standard_policy { /* no data */ }; struct thread_time_constraint_policy { natural_t period; natural_t computation; natural_t constraint; boolean_t preemptible; }; this is the old policy interface that has been deprecated: struct policy_rr_base { integer_t base_priority; integer_t quantum; }; struct policy_rr_limit { integer_t max_priority; }; struct policy_rr_info { integer_t max_priority; integer_t base_priority; integer_t quantum; boolean_t depressed; integer_t depress_priority; }; there's one for each scheduling algorithm. if setpriority()/nice/renice don't work...it's probably intentional and not a bug, considering that the whole mach api supporting them has been deprecated. unless i'm wrong. nibs -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/enriched Size: 1487 bytes Desc: not available Url : /mailman/archive/macosx-admin/attachments/20010403/29bdb80f/attachment.bin From nibs at mac.com Tue Apr 3 23:33:08 2001 From: nibs at mac.com (marquis logan) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:37 2005 Subject: Need Help Installing PHP4 In-Reply-To: <200104040557.WAA06392@albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <200104040632.XAA02494@smtpout.mac.com> On Wednesday, April 4, 2001, at 01:56 AM, Robert Allen wrote: > Thanks, your instructions solved my build problem. Now, I've what I > hope is my final sticking point. After successfully installing php > 4.0.4, I started up apache pointed my browser to 127.0.0.1/test.php and > was dismayed to see that it did not process the php code at all. I hope > this will be my last call for help on this. did you update your apache config (/etc/httpd/httpd.conf) file? i added this: LoadModule php4_module libexec/httpd/libphp4.so . . . AddModule mod_php4.c . . . and in my: section AddType application/x-httpd-php .php AddType application/x-httpd-php-source .phps i think that was all i needed. From lists at colorremedies.com Tue Apr 3 23:45:07 2001 From: lists at colorremedies.com (Chris Murphy) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:37 2005 Subject: performance (again) Message-ID: <200104040644.XAA19349@snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net> >Actually, they are not marketing it otherwise: Full page ads in catalog resellers' catalogs talking about how great it is. A press event a couple of days before with Steve talking about how great it is and something to the effect of it being the best OS on the planet. The idea of calling it version 10.0 is misleading as it implies it's a continuation of a previous OS and has that maturity, while Mac OS X Server which has been around longer is at version 1.2 and will soon be at version 2.0. >3) There was no big splash on March 24. There is a no hype right now. No >TV ads, no print media with glossy pictures of Aqua, virtually no >marketing at all. No public disclaimer that this is for early adopters, that most users can't print from either OS X or within Classic with USB/serial printers, that most users can't scan with USB or SCSI scanners. You can successfully argue they aren't doing much direct marketing of OS X, but they aren't disclaiming the problems either. >> a.) I hardly think that this causes a ten fold performance decrease. > >Why? As Lance mentioned, Classic QuickDraw has been optimized for 17 >years. It does all the rendering. Quartz just has to copy a rectangular >pixelmap. Most Carbon applications don't use Core Graphics Rendering, they use QuickDraw for rendering (unless they are specifically written to use Core Graphics Rendering). This includes the afforementioned URL testing graphics performance on OS 9 and X. IE 5.1 is using QuickDraw as well. As for the Finder I'm not sure what aspects are using Core Graphics Rendering, if any. >No, Apple needs to optimize it, so that it provides decent speed. That's what I've been saying. In lieu of that there needs to be an option to disable it. >The point is that Classic renders it's GUI with older and more mature >code than Aqua. I don't think it's that simple. QuickDraw is the primary imaging model for Carbon applications as well according to Inside Mac OS X: SystemOverview. It is possible for Carbon applications to access Core Graphics Services to take advantage of PDF based rendering, but it's not required. That applications using QuickDraw are so much faster on OS 9 compared to those using QuickDraw (not Core Graphics Services) gives me the impression something else is going on in Carbon, or the window server, or between those and the OS itself, or all of the above. > Yes, you can do a few tricks to make it look kinda like >Aqua, but only up to a point, since it lacks the features that Aqua has. Aqua is just a user interface. It's about overall behavior, buttons, spacing, fonts, etc. Quartz is what has the bulk of the features, not Aqua. (If anything Platinum has more features than Aqua at this point.) Chris Murphy Color Remedies (tm) Boulder, CO 303-415-9932 From nigel at cofa.unsw.edu.au Wed Apr 4 00:01:33 2001 From: nigel at cofa.unsw.edu.au (Nigel Kersten) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:37 2005 Subject: performance (again) In-Reply-To: <200104040644.XAA19349@snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Message-ID: Really 1.2 is the end of the line for Mac OS X Server as we know it. version 2.0 is an attempt to bolt the same functionality on top of OS 10.0.... and i'm sure no-one is about to bring up publicly how it's going on this list... ;-) nigel Chris Murphy wrote: > while Mac OS > X Server which has been around longer is at version 1.2 and will soon be > at version 2.0. ___________________________________________________ N i g e l K e r s t e n -Systems Administrator- ph. (+612) 9385 0672 fax (+612) 9385 0624 College of Fine Arts, Uni of NSW, Sydney, Australia ___________________________________________________ From dmz-lists at tffenterprises.com Wed Apr 4 00:57:35 2001 From: dmz-lists at tffenterprises.com (Daniel M. Zimmerman) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:37 2005 Subject: SSH2/SSH1 Agent Problems Message-ID: <902195.986345851@babylon2.tffenterprises.com> I've had some odd problems with SSH2 operating in SSH1 compatibility mode (please don't tell me to run OpenSSH as a solution :), and I'm wondering if anybody else has experienced them or has any idea what causes them. Specifically, the problem is this. If I have an ssh-agent running in compatibility mode (ssh-agent -1), and I connect to a host which only supports protocol 1, the ssh-agent stops accepting communications - regardless of whether or not I've added any keys to it at all. The ssh-agent process itself doesn't die, but the agent is rendered completely unusable. Since this doesn't happen on my Solaris box (using exactly the same keys, in fact), I have to assume that it's a Mac OS X-specific problem. If anybody has any ideas for tracking this down, let me know. There are no console messages or anything when the agent dies, even with ssh2 built with maximum debugging, so I really don't know where to begin on this one. -Dan ------------------------------------------------------------------ Daniel M. Zimmerman TFF Enterprises M/S 256-80 - Caltech http://www.tffenterprises.com/ Pasadena, California 91125 USA dmz@tffenterprises.com From scott at maxify.com Wed Apr 4 02:55:40 2001 From: scott at maxify.com (Scott Stevenson) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:37 2005 Subject: MySQL/PHP4 on OS X ? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200104040950.CAA12831@spyhunter.maxify.com> On Tuesday, April 3, 2001, at 01:55 PM, miles wrote: > And while we are on the subject, what about PHP4 ? Take a look at the list archives for the past day or so. Tons of stuff on the subject. - Scott -- Scott Stevenson http://wildtofu.com/ http://maxify.com/ From scott at maxify.com Wed Apr 4 02:59:57 2001 From: scott at maxify.com (Scott Stevenson) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:37 2005 Subject: LDAP In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200104040954.CAA12853@spyhunter.maxify.com> On Tuesday, April 3, 2001, at 09:13 AM, Hugh Evans wrote: > My users are asking for a company wide address book. I assume LDAP is > the most "open" system. I currently have a OSX Server box running WO > and Apache and thought I could use this box. Is there a "how to / FAQ > on LDAP & OSX Server" available. It would be really neat if users > could query their addresses etc. from a web page... What you probably want is OpenLDAP. It's available as source. No pretty UI for it, I'm afraid. Maybe somebody can suggest a commercial offering? - Scott -- Scott Stevenson http://wildtofu.com/ http://maxify.com/ From jeroen.clarysse at skynet.be Wed Apr 4 03:29:07 2001 From: jeroen.clarysse at skynet.be (jeroen) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:37 2005 Subject: MySQL/PHP4 on OS X ? References: <200104040950.CAA12831@spyhunter.maxify.com> Message-ID: <000f01c0bcf1$e08ab1e0$0300a8c0@P3> > Take a look at the list archives for the past day or so. Tons of stuff > on the subject. http://ldab.arts.kuleuven.ac.be/serversetup.html From brianw at sounds.wa.com Wed Apr 4 03:58:40 2001 From: brianw at sounds.wa.com (Brian Willoughby) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:37 2005 Subject: Developer.pkg not installable on UFS? In-Reply-To: <14kUxn-0uV01wC@fmrl03.sul.t-online.com> References: <14kUxn-0uV01wC@fmrl03.sul.t-online.com> Message-ID: <200104041058.f34AwW605429@sounds.wa.com> I cannot offer any guess as to why Developer.pkg won't install for you, but it installed fine for me when upgrading from Public Beta on a UFS partition: Server G4 (gigabit). I have also done a fresh install on a UFS partition: PowerBook G3 Series (Wallstreet/Gossamer). My suggestion: try again, perhaps with a fresh install - and make sure you have removed any old /Developer and .../Receipts/Developer.pkg as instructed. Brian Willoughby Sound Consulting From cputney at whistler.net Wed Apr 4 04:07:29 2001 From: cputney at whistler.net (Colin Putney) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:37 2005 Subject: performance (again) In-Reply-To: <200104040644.XAA19349@snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <200104041107.EAA23040@Marvin.cyberstore.ca> On Tuesday, April 3, 2001, at 11:44 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: > >> Actually, they are not marketing it otherwise: > > Full page ads in catalog resellers' catalogs talking about how great it > is. A press event a couple of days before with Steve talking about how > great it is and something to the effect of it being the best OS on the > planet. The idea of calling it version 10.0 is misleading as it implies > it's a continuation of a previous OS and has that maturity, while Mac OS > X Server which has been around longer is at version 1.2 and will soon be > at version 2.0. Heaven forbid Apple should advertise a new product! Of course Steve Jobs is talking about what a good OS it is. Of course they are advertising it in catalogs. They do need the early adopters to find out about it, or *nobody* would buy it. It's a matter of degree. They haven't bought the rights to any Rolling Stones songs, hung 300 foot banners from tall buildings or staged ships arriving in Sidney harbour. If the release were any lower-key, it would have to be a developer-only release or Apple would be deprecating OS X so much it would be seen as a failure. >> 3) There was no big splash on March 24. There is a no hype right now. >> No >> TV ads, no print media with glossy pictures of Aqua, virtually no >> marketing at all. > > No public disclaimer that this is for early adopters, that most users > can't print from either OS X or within Classic with USB/serial printers, > that most users can't scan with USB or SCSI scanners. You can > successfully argue they aren't doing much direct marketing of OS X, but > they aren't disclaiming the problems either. Oh, please. Are you actually suggesting that Apple release a new product and then tell people not to buy it? >> No, Apple needs to optimize it, so that it provides decent speed. > > That's what I've been saying. In lieu of that there needs to be an > option > to disable it. There's a very simple way to disable it. Run OS 9. Cheers, Colin -------------------------------------- Colin Putney Whistler.com From steve.harman at camb-antibody.co.uk Wed Apr 4 04:09:37 2001 From: steve.harman at camb-antibody.co.uk (Steve Harman) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:37 2005 Subject: Desktop Patterns Message-ID: OK I give up - how do I set a new desktop picture in OSX Consumer? Under PBeta I seem to remember a Dock & Desktop preferences option from Finder - all I can see these days is Dock preferences either from Finder or System Preferences. Hardly of Earth shattering importance, I know!! Regards, Steve From joar at mtvspider.com Wed Apr 4 04:22:26 2001 From: joar at mtvspider.com (j o a r) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:37 2005 Subject: Desktop Patterns In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On onsdag, april 4, 2001, at 01:08 , Steve Harman wrote: > OK I give up - how do I set a new desktop picture in OSX Consumer? > Under PBeta I seem to remember a Dock & Desktop preferences option from > Finder - all I can see these days is Dock preferences either from > Finder or System Preferences. Eh. Finder (Application menu) > Preferences... > Desktop Picture The answer is so simple, I'm afraid I've misunderstood your question? j o a r From john_oshea at wordbank.co.uk Wed Apr 4 04:23:38 2001 From: john_oshea at wordbank.co.uk (John O'Shea) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:37 2005 Subject: Office 98 [Word] file save snafu! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 19:00 -0400 3/4/01, michael@hesta.com wrote: >Wierd. This behavior has only popped up since final release. > >Open a file saved *off* the local drive (ie a network AFS drive) make >some changes and then try and save it. Word (classic) gives the error >message > > "The disk is full or too many files are open. (file-name) " I've had this message appear once (so far) in Eudora 5.1b9 (the Carbon version) - quitting and reloading Eudora got rid of the message. I suspect Eudora may have been in the process of downloading an attachment, but I'm not 100% on that. -- John O'Shea PGP fingerprint: 9A0A 47F7 A822 813E FFD4 B7B9 4194 C3F8 E610 F7C4 From brianw at sounds.wa.com Wed Apr 4 04:34:10 2001 From: brianw at sounds.wa.com (Brian Willoughby) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:37 2005 Subject: Classic with 9.1 and 10.0.1 (4L7) on UFS ? Message-ID: <200104041134.f34BY2605568@sounds.wa.com> I had Classic working with Public Beta on UFS (had to copy Classic.app to the HFS 9.0 partition for its first run, then everything was peachy). Now I cannot get Classic to run with the Release Candidate Version 10.0.1 (Build 4L7) on UFS. The old workaround isn't successful for me this time. I copied /System/Library/CoreServices/Classic Startup.app to my OS9.1 volume and ran it (even tried setuid root) and I get the following message: "This startup disk will not work on this Macintosh model. Use the latest Installer to update this disk for this model." I had the Fortissimo build on there when first loading RC, but I installed 9.1 (final?) over that. I deleted most of the files in "Previous System Folder" including System and everything that had "Classic" in the name. This didn't work either. (P.S. I hung the OS X Finder browsing "System/Extensions" on the 9.1 volume!) Any help? Brian Willoughby Sound Consulting From Morten.Ronseth at coil.no Wed Apr 4 05:10:09 2001 From: Morten.Ronseth at coil.no (Morten R=?ISO-8859-1?B?+A==?=nseth) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:37 2005 Subject: LDAP In-Reply-To: <200104040954.CAA12853@spyhunter.maxify.com> Message-ID: Communigate Pro does this - at a price. As well as being a darned good mailserver. Cheers, -Morten "Scott Stevenson" skrev i sin epost 200104040954.CAA12853@spyhunter.maxify.com av den 4/4/01 11:59 AM: > > On Tuesday, April 3, 2001, at 09:13 AM, Hugh Evans wrote: > >> My users are asking for a company wide address book. I assume LDAP is >> the most "open" system. I currently have a OSX Server box running WO >> and Apache and thought I could use this box. Is there a "how to / FAQ >> on LDAP & OSX Server" available. It would be really neat if users >> could query their addresses etc. from a web page... > > What you probably want is OpenLDAP. It's available as source. No pretty > UI for it, I'm afraid. Maybe somebody can suggest a commercial offering? --------------------------------------------------------------- Coil AS http://www.coil.no Morten Lerskau R?nseth mailto:morten.ronseth@coil.no Karenslyst All? 16d Tlf.: (47) 2254 1820 0278 Oslo Fax : (47) 2254 1821 Norway Mob.: (47) 9343 4357 ICQ : 25163080 From borad at mac.com Wed Apr 4 05:14:01 2001 From: borad at mac.com (David J Richardson) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:37 2005 Subject: Classic with 9.1 and 10.0.1 (4L7) on UFS ? In-Reply-To: <200104041134.f34BY2605568@sounds.wa.com> Message-ID: <200104041212.FAA10273@smtpout.mac.com> On Wednesday, April 4, 2001, at 09:33 , Brian Willoughby wrote: >Release Candidate Version 10.0.1 (Build 4L7) don't drop teasers like that if you're not going to give further info! >"This startup disk will not work on this Macintosh model. Use the latest >Installer to update this disk for this model." The 9.1 supplied in the OS X package came from last year, and is not appropriate for 2001 Mac models. I'll swap you for my B&W if you want to quickly solve that! -- David J Richardson can be found at, well, davidjrichardson@email.com From steve.harman at camb-antibody.co.uk Wed Apr 4 05:26:19 2001 From: steve.harman at camb-antibody.co.uk (Steve Harman) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:37 2005 Subject: Desktop Patterns In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Aaaaarrrgh! It really was that simple.... sorry all. I honestly DID look everywhere ELSE to try and find it..... Thanks everyone. Steve Cambridge, UK From waltd at wdstudio.com Wed Apr 4 06:08:29 2001 From: waltd at wdstudio.com (Walter Lee Davis) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:37 2005 Subject: Need Help Installing PHP4 In-Reply-To: <200104040557.WAA06392@albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Message-ID: Confirm that your /etc/httpd.conf file has the AddType lines related to PHP4 uncommented. And stop and start Apache. Here's a known good test.php: Walter On 4/4/01 1:56 AM, "Robert Allen" wrote: > Thanks, your instructions solved my build problem. Now, I've what I hope > is my final sticking point. After successfully installing php 4.0.4, I > started up apache pointed my browser to 127.0.0.1/test.php and was > dismayed to see that it did not process the php code at all. I hope this > will be my last call for help on this. > > > On Tuesday, April 3, 2001, at 08:37 PM, Michael Sitarzewski wrote: > >> You don't have to do what the others are saying. Follow my instructions >> at http://www.zerologic.com/neologic/ >> >> Everything will be fine. >> >> Michael. >> >> On Tuesday, April 3, 2001, at 04:32 PM, Robert Allen wrote: >> >>> I'm running OS X GM on a B&W G3 on which I have installed Apache >>> 1.3.19 successfully and now I'm trying to get PHP 4.0.4 up and >>> running, but I've run into a snag when running the 'make install' >>> command. The build fails with these errors: >>> >>> ... >>> + /Users/blacksun/php4/build/shtool install -c -m 644 >>> /Users/blacksun/php4/pear/Mail/smtp.php /usr/local/lib/php/Mail/ >>> + /Users/blacksun/php4/build/shtool install -c -m 644 >>> /Users/blacksun/php4/pear/Net/SMTP.php /usr/local/lib/php/Net/ >>> + /Users/blacksun/php4/build/shtool install -c -m 644 >>> /Users/blacksun/php4/pear/Net/Socket.php /usr/local/lib/php/Net/ >>> + /Users/blacksun/php4/build/shtool install -c -m 644 >>> /Users/blacksun/php4/pear/PEAR/Installer.php /usr/local/lib/php/PEAR/ >>> + /Users/blacksun/php4/build/shtool install -c -m 644 >>> /Users/blacksun/php4/pear/Payment/Verisign.php >>> /usr/local/lib/php/Payment/ >>> + /Users/blacksun/php4/build/shtool install -c -m 644 >>> /Users/blacksun/php4/pear/XML/Parser.php /usr/local/lib/php/XML/ >>> + /Users/blacksun/php4/build/shtool install -c -m 644 PEAR.php >>> /usr/local/lib/php >>> creating header file hierarchy >>> /Users/blacksun/php4/build/shtool mkdir -p /usr/local/lib/php/build >>> /usr/local/bin && \ >>> (cd /Users/blacksun/php4 && cp pear/pear.m4 build/fastgen.sh >>> build/library.mk build/ltlib.mk build/mkdep.awk build/program.mk >>> build/rules.mk build/rules_common.mk build/rules_pear.mk >>> build/dynlib.mk build/shtool dynlib.m4 acinclude.m4 >>> /usr/local/lib/php/build) >>> /Users/blacksun/php4/build/shtool install -c -m 755 >>> /Users/blacksun/php4/pear/phpextdist /usr/local/bin/phpextdist >>> for prog in phpize php-config pear; do \ >>> /Users/blacksun/php4/build/shtool install -c -m 755 $prog >>> /usr/local/bin/$prog; \ >>> done >>> cp: pear is a directory (not copied). >>> make[2]: *** [install-programs] Error 1 >>> make[1]: *** [install-recursive] Error 1 >>> make: *** [install-recursive] Error 1 >>> [localhost:/Users/blacksun/php4] root# >>> >>> I don't know what to make of this at all. I looked for a debug.log >>> file, but there wasn't one. >>> >>> Prior to this, I ran the './configuration' and 'make' commands >>> successfully. With './configure' I included the following options: >>> >>> ./configure \ >>> --enable-track-vars \ >>> --with-apxs=/usr/sbin/apxs \ >>> --without-gd \ >>> --without-mysql >>> >>> After that I ran 'make' with no apparent (to me) problems. Does anyone >>> have thoughts on this? >>> >>> Thanks in advance, >>> Robert. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> MacOSX-admin mailing list >>> MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com >>> http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin >>> >> > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-admin mailing list > MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin > From paulrs at lgs-systems.com Wed Apr 4 07:05:11 2001 From: paulrs at lgs-systems.com (Paul R. Summermatter) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:37 2005 Subject: ftping from WIN2K to OS X Message-ID: <51325BD9D61DD31186A50040F6340DB80E124C@smtp> All, I've enabled my OS X box to permit ftp access. I can successfully ftp to my OS X box from OpenStep, Solaris, & NT 4 machines. However, when I attempt to ftp from my WIN2K boxes, I receive the initial message that says I have connected to my osx box, but I never seem to get a user name prompt (maybe I'm too impatient). I'm not very conversant with ftp settings, but I seem to remember that there are active and passive forms of ftp? Could this be part of my problem? I can ftp to other sites such as ftp.openbase.com or next-ftp.peak.org, but just not to my local machines :-(. Thanks for any help, Paul From tmk at easynet.be Wed Apr 4 08:00:53 2001 From: tmk at easynet.be (Tattoo Mabonzo K.) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:38 2005 Subject: Help: Mac OS X installation errors on a vanilla G4. Message-ID: <200104041500.IAA17400@omnigroup.com> Hi folks, I've been trying to install OS X on my G4 450/DVD-RAM for one week but to no avail. I keep getting the following message in the Installer: "There were errors installing the software" and below the progression bar: "Could not write file. Please try installing again." When I open the log I can see the following message: "/System/Library/PrivateFrameworks/Installation.framework/Resources/pax: could not read compressed data: Undefined error: 0 " Followed by lines listing the full path to various files which I assume the Installer was trying the process. Those files are always different. I've tried installing more than a fifteen (yes 15! times, on a blank partition, above a Mac OS 9.1 installation etc... but to no avail. When switching to French instead of English as the install language. The installation completes but the system is not reliable e.g. I can't install the developer tools because the Installer program immediately quits, same goes for Apple System Profiler and the Finder when I try to connect to a file server. When I reboot I get a kernel panic early in the boot process (righ after the progress dialog appears) with two options c for continue and r for reboot. Choosing r reboots my machine with no problems other than those described in the beginning of the paragraph. I've tried installing Mac OS PB and then upgrade it on that machine but right after the dialog reading "Preparing to install" with the progress disappear, I just get the spinning ball and the computer hangs (no cursor movement). As I mentioned above, this is a vanilla G4 450 AGP graphics with a DVD- RAM and 256megs of RAM (it was the top of the line when the G4 were introduced 18 months ago and manufacturing problems with 500Mhz G4 forced Apple to downgrade it top-of-the-line offer to a 450Mzh G4). The firmware has been upgrade to the latest version (the one posted right after Mac OS X was released last week). I've noticed the installation problems both before and after applying the firmware update. I don't think the problem is with the CDs since I've tried with both the retail Mac OS X release version and the developer RC version (I'm a Apple Select Developer). I've also tried installing on my Cube and PowerBook G3-500 (above PB) and it worked without problems. Could it be some defect on my G4 which otherwise installs, and runs Mac OS 9.1 perfectly well? I've scan various mailing list, and discussion forums on the web, but couldn't find any mention of a similar problem. Could it be that I'm the only one unable to install X on a vanilla G4 (an Apple supported machine!) . How does one gets support from Apple for OS installation issues in Europe (Belgium). I've never had any so I just don't know. Any help would be much appreciated. TIA = tmk = From patpro at patpro.net Wed Apr 4 08:36:45 2001 From: patpro at patpro.net (patpro) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:38 2005 Subject: Help: Mac OS X installation errors on a vanilla G4. In-Reply-To: <200104041500.IAA17400@omnigroup.com> Message-ID: le 4/04/01 17:00, Tattoo Mabonzo K. ? tmk@easynet.be a ?crit?: > Hi folks, > > I've been trying to install OS X on my G4 450/DVD-RAM for one week but to > no avail. I keep getting the following message in the Installer: > > "There were errors installing the software" and below the progression bar: > > "Could not write file. Please try installing again." [snip] > I don't think the problem is with the CDs since I've tried with both the > retail Mac OS X release version and the developer RC version (I'm a Apple > Select Developer). I've also tried installing on my Cube and PowerBook > G3-500 (above PB) and it worked without problems. > > Could it be some defect on my G4 which otherwise installs, and runs Mac OS > 9.1 perfectly well? If I were you, I woud give a try to a brand news hard drive, or if you have another Mac (the cube you mentioned may be) you could change HDs and try again. patpro -- "Rien ne se perd, rien ne se cr?e, tout s'empile" - Mon Bureau - From dluke at geeklair.net Wed Apr 4 08:53:17 2001 From: dluke at geeklair.net (Daniel J. Luke) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:38 2005 Subject: performance (again) In-Reply-To: <200104040619.XAA00979@smtpout.mac.com>; from nibs@mac.com on Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 02:18:57AM -0400 References: <200104040609.XAA20624@Marvin.cyberstore.ca> <200104040619.XAA00979@smtpout.mac.com> Message-ID: <20010404115313.A23178@geeklair.net> On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 02:18:57AM -0400, marquis logan wrote: > if setpriority()/nice/renice don't work...it's probably intentional and > not a bug, considering that the whole mach api supporting them has been > deprecated. It's listed as a bug on Apple's darwin bug page. -- Daniel J. Luke +========================================================+ | *---------------- dluke@geeklair.net ----------------* | | *-------------- http://www.geeklair.net -------------* | +========================================================+ | Opinions expressed are mine and do not necessarily | | reflect the opinions of my employer. | +========================================================+ From macs at thestandard.com Wed Apr 4 09:46:01 2001 From: macs at thestandard.com (macs@thestandard.com) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:38 2005 Subject: Configuring Netw. Devices Via Console Port Message-ID: <200104041645.JAA24572@omnigroup.com> Anyone out there able to give advice on jacking into Cisco Routers and Switches through their console port from OSX? I have a Keyspan Serial Port/USB converter up and working with the new drivers, but have very limited BSD experience and would like to know how to bind terminal.app to that interface, or maybe there is a Darwin/OSX prog that I need. Any ideas? Grateful in SF From dluke at geeklair.net Wed Apr 4 10:08:42 2001 From: dluke at geeklair.net (Daniel J. Luke) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:38 2005 Subject: vim syntax coloring In-Reply-To: <20010403210418.C29827@chimera.acm.jhu.edu>; from jcramp@acm.jhu.edu on Tue, Apr 03, 2001 at 09:04:18PM -0400 References: <20010403210418.C29827@chimera.acm.jhu.edu> Message-ID: <20010404130838.G23178@geeklair.net> On Tue, Apr 03, 2001 at 09:04:18PM -0400, John Cramp wrote: > I'm having some trouble getting this to work. I found this message: Ok, I'm sure what I'm about to tell you is not correct, but it is what I did and it works ;-) (I'll let someone who knows more about this stuff correct me). First, I put this in ~/.termcap pcansi:\ :do=^J:co#80:li#24:cl=\E[;H\E[2J:sf=2*\ED:\ :le=^H:bs:am:cm=5\E[%i%d;%dH:nd=2\E[C:up=2\E[A:\ :ce=3\E[K:cd=50\E[J:so=2\E[7m:se=2\E[m:us=2\E[4m:ue=2\E[m:\ :md=2\E[1m:mr=2\E[7m:mb=2\E[5m:me=2\E[m:\ :rf=/usr/share/tabset/vt100:\ :rs=\E>\E[?3l\E[?4l\E[?5l\E[?7h\E[?8h\E[;r\E[0m\E(B\E)B\E[2J:\ :ks=\E[?1h\E=:ke=\E[?1l\E>:\ :ku=\EOA:kd=\EOB:kr=\EOC:kl=\EOD:kb=^H:\ :ho=\E[H:k1=\EOP:k2=\EOQ:k3=\EOR:k4=\EOS:pt:sr=2*\EM:vt#3:xn:\ :sc=\E7:rc=\E8:cs=\E[%i%d;%dr: Then, I added this to ~/.cshrc eval `tset -s pcansi` ... then I added this to ~/.vimrc syntax on ... and now I have pretty colors :-) -- Daniel J. Luke +========================================================+ | *---------------- dluke@geeklair.net ----------------* | | *-------------- http://www.geeklair.net -------------* | +========================================================+ | Opinions expressed are mine and do not necessarily | | reflect the opinions of my employer. | +========================================================+ From jfieber at indiana.edu Wed Apr 4 10:38:29 2001 From: jfieber at indiana.edu (John fieber) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:38 2005 Subject: [Mac OSX] performance (again) In-Reply-To: <461073.986338500@babylon2.tffenterprises.com> Message-ID: <200104041738.MAA05376@ella.slis.indiana.edu> On Wednesday, April 4, 2001, at 12:55 AM, Daniel M. Zimmerman wrote: > Yeah, but the fact that the setpriority() call doesn't do anything when > running the Darwin 1.3 kernel _does_ mean that (userland) tasks can't > be prioritized by the OS. That is not correct. The setpriority() system call is not there for the OS to prioritize threads. It is for the user or administrator to effectively override how the OS prioritizes threads. The more or less standard Unix approach to automatic task prioritization is completely intact and functional is Darwin. If it was not, no thread would ever deviate from its initial priority of 31. If you do a ps -axcM you on a busy system you will find quite an array of thread priorities that the OS has assigned based on CPU usage patterns. -john From eugene at anime.net Wed Apr 4 11:17:34 2001 From: eugene at anime.net (Eugene Lee) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:38 2005 Subject: vim syntax coloring In-Reply-To: <20010404130838.G23178@geeklair.net>; from dluke@geeklair.net on Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 01:08:38PM -0400 References: <20010403210418.C29827@chimera.acm.jhu.edu> <20010404130838.G23178@geeklair.net> Message-ID: <20010404103453.C10856@anime.net> On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 01:08:38PM -0400, Daniel J. Luke wrote: : : On Tue, Apr 03, 2001 at 09:04:18PM -0400, John Cramp wrote: : > I'm having some trouble getting this to work. I found this message: : : Ok, I'm sure what I'm about to tell you is not correct, but it is what : I did and it works ;-) (I'll let someone who knows more about this : stuff correct me). Actually, this is all I needed to do to make it work for me, by adding these two lines into ~/.vimrc: set term=ansi syntax on -- Eugene Lee eugene@anime.net From lists at gamemore.com Wed Apr 4 11:28:01 2001 From: lists at gamemore.com (Chris Goltz) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:38 2005 Subject: SSH2/SSH1 Agent Problems In-Reply-To: <902195.986345851@babylon2.tffenterprises.com> Message-ID: <20010404182718.B875719BF2@mail.gamemore.com> On Wednesday, April 4, 2001, at 02:57 AM, Daniel M. Zimmerman wrote: > I've had some odd problems with SSH2 operating in SSH1 compatibility > mode (please don't tell me to run OpenSSH as a solution :), and I'm > wondering if anybody else has experienced them or has any idea what > causes them. What is wrong with OpenSSH? It's free. Its perfectly compatible. It's easy to install. It's what Apple is going to give us when they provide SSH. And, most importantly, you wouldn't have the problem you are having now. -Chris From lists at gamemore.com Wed Apr 4 11:29:21 2001 From: lists at gamemore.com (Chris Goltz) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:38 2005 Subject: [Mac OSX] performance (again) In-Reply-To: <461073.986338500@babylon2.tffenterprises.com> Message-ID: <20010404182847.32B3E19BF2@mail.gamemore.com> On Wednesday, April 4, 2001, at 12:55 AM, Daniel M. Zimmerman wrote: > Of course, the relevant bug seems to have been removed from the public > Darwin bug database for some reason (it was bug number 2320119). > Does that mean they fixed it? ;) -Chris From waltd at wdstudio.com Wed Apr 4 11:37:11 2001 From: waltd at wdstudio.com (Walter Lee Davis) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:38 2005 Subject: Help: Mac OS X installation errors on a vanilla G4. In-Reply-To: <200104041500.IAA17400@omnigroup.com> Message-ID: About the only thing that could cause these sorts of problems are PCI cards and RAM. If you have any PCI cards in the machine, try taking them out and try again. Try taking one of the DIMMs out and try again. Or move them around. Sorry I can't be of more help. Walter On 4/4/01 11:00 AM, "Tattoo Mabonzo K." wrote: > Hi folks, > > I've been trying to install OS X on my G4 450/DVD-RAM for one week but to > no avail. I keep getting the following message in the Installer: > > "There were errors installing the software" and below the progression bar: > > "Could not write file. Please try installing again." > > When I open the log I can see the following message: > > "/System/Library/PrivateFrameworks/Installation.framework/Resources/pax: > could not read compressed data: Undefined error: 0 > " > > Followed by lines listing the full path to various files which I assume > the Installer was trying the process. Those files are always different. > > I've tried installing more than a fifteen (yes 15! times, on a blank > partition, above a Mac OS 9.1 installation etc... but to no avail. > > When switching to French instead of English as the install language. The > installation completes but the system is not reliable e.g. I can't install > the developer tools because the Installer program immediately quits, same > goes for Apple System Profiler and the Finder when I try to connect to a > file server. When I reboot I get a kernel panic early in the boot process > (righ after the progress dialog appears) with two options c for continue > and r for reboot. Choosing r reboots my machine with no problems other > than those described in the beginning of the paragraph. > > I've tried installing Mac OS PB and then upgrade it on that machine but > right after the dialog reading "Preparing to install" with the progress > disappear, I just get the spinning ball and the computer hangs (no cursor > movement). > > As I mentioned above, this is a vanilla G4 450 AGP graphics with a DVD- > RAM and 256megs of RAM (it was the top of the line when the G4 were > introduced 18 months ago and manufacturing problems with 500Mhz G4 forced > Apple to downgrade it top-of-the-line offer to a 450Mzh G4). > > The firmware has been upgrade to the latest version (the one posted right > after Mac OS X was released last week). I've noticed the installation > problems both before and after applying the firmware update. > > I don't think the problem is with the CDs since I've tried with both the > retail Mac OS X release version and the developer RC version (I'm a Apple > Select Developer). I've also tried installing on my Cube and PowerBook > G3-500 (above PB) and it worked without problems. > > Could it be some defect on my G4 which otherwise installs, and runs Mac OS > 9.1 perfectly well? > > I've scan various mailing list, and discussion forums on the web, but > couldn't find any mention of a similar problem. Could it be that I'm the > only one unable to install X on a vanilla G4 (an Apple supported machine!) > . > > How does one gets support from Apple for OS installation issues in Europe > (Belgium). I've never had any so I just don't know. > > Any help would be much appreciated. > > TIA > > = tmk = > > > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-admin mailing list > MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin > From uli at ritual.org Wed Apr 4 11:48:56 2001 From: uli at ritual.org (Uli Zappe) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:38 2005 Subject: Help: Mac OS X installation errors on a vanilla G4. Message-ID: <14ksK8-0QhfTEC@fmrl02.sul.t-online.com> Am Mittwoch, April 4, 2001, um 05:00 PM, schrieb Tattoo Mabonzo K.: > I've scan various mailing list, and discussion forums on the web, but > couldn't find any mention of a similar problem. Could it be that I'm the > only one unable to install X on a vanilla G4 (an Apple supported machine!) Strange; another "only one". I seem to be the only one who can't install the Developer package on a vanilla G4 (OS X itself installs fine on my machine). > How does one gets support from Apple for OS installation issues in Europe > (Belgium). I've never had any so I just don't know. There's a list of support numbers included in the OS X package; the one for Belgium is (Flemish) 02 713 1203 and (French) 02 713 1202. When I called the respective German number because of my Developer installation problems, the Apple rep told me the hotline does not support the Developer CD :-( , but clearly implied that they do support the OS X installation itself. Bye Uli ________________________________________________________ Uli Zappe uli@ritual.org Lorscher Stra?e 5 http://www.ritual.org D-60489 Frankfurt Fon: +49-700-ULIZAPPE Germany Fax: +49-700-ZAPPEFAX ________________________________________________________ From dluke at geeklair.net Wed Apr 4 11:54:21 2001 From: dluke at geeklair.net (Daniel J. Luke) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:38 2005 Subject: Help: Mac OS X installation errors on a vanilla G4. In-Reply-To: <14ksK8-0QhfTEC@fmrl02.sul.t-online.com>; from uli@ritual.org on Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 08:48:07PM +0200 References: <14ksK8-0QhfTEC@fmrl02.sul.t-online.com> Message-ID: <20010404145416.A24232@geeklair.net> On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 08:48:07PM +0200, Uli Zappe wrote: > Strange; another "only one". I seem to be the only one who can't install the Developer package on a vanilla G4 (OS X itself installs fine on my machine). I just read a message (on the student-dev list I think) that said the dev tools fail to install if there is a space in the admin/root password. -- Daniel J. Luke +========================================================+ | *---------------- dluke@geeklair.net ----------------* | | *-------------- http://www.geeklair.net -------------* | +========================================================+ | Opinions expressed are mine and do not necessarily | | reflect the opinions of my employer. | +========================================================+ From davep at apple.com Wed Apr 4 12:10:13 2001 From: davep at apple.com (Dave Payne) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:38 2005 Subject: Help: Mac OS X installation errors on a vanilla G4. In-Reply-To: <20010404145416.A24232@geeklair.net> Message-ID: <200104041910.MAA20614@scv1.apple.com> On Wednesday, April 4, 2001, at 11:54 AM, Daniel J. Luke wrote: > On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 08:48:07PM +0200, Uli Zappe wrote: >> Strange; another "only one". I seem to be the only one who can't >> install the Developer package on a vanilla G4 (OS X itself installs >> fine on my machine). > > I just read a message (on the student-dev list I think) that said the > dev tools fail to install if there is a space in the admin/root > password. That is true. (Uli, would you please confirm if this is the issue that you've encountered?) I announced this on projectbuilder-users@lists.apple.com yesterday: It has been verified internally here at Apple that having a space in the admin password causes the Developer.pkg install to hang partway through the install process. Our testers report that the Installer GUI properly authenticates the password and the installation appears to proceed. After examining the contents of the disk, it passes control to an underlying tool which attempts to perform the actual installation as root. That tool incorrectly parses passwords with spaces and cannot authenticate, thus causing the installer to hang with lots of permissions errors. The workaround is to change the root/admin password to have no spaces. Some have pointed out that there may also be other issues that cause installation difficulties, such as a third-party 256 MB RAM module that may have been at the root of Warren's install problems. - Dave -- Dave Payne Manager, Mac OS X Development Environment Engineering Group Apple Computer, Inc. From astarothia at earthlink.net Wed Apr 4 12:17:37 2001 From: astarothia at earthlink.net (DaedalusX) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:38 2005 Subject: [Mac OSX] performance (again) In-Reply-To: <20010404182847.32B3E19BF2@mail.gamemore.com> Message-ID: <200104041917.MAA05761@scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net> IIRC, Apple makes its own internal changes to the Darwin source and then syncs that with the public source tree. Often, Apple brings the Darwin tree in sync with a release of Mac OS X or a milestone build (whatever Apple qualifies as such), leaving small changes for these larger updates. This would probably explain why renice is working in the final (for me and many others, YMMV =P) and the bug notice has been removed. Peace > Does that mean they fixed it? From jcr at idiom.com Wed Apr 4 12:21:43 2001 From: jcr at idiom.com (John C. Randolph) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:38 2005 Subject: Help: Mac OS X installation errors on a vanilla G4. In-Reply-To: <200104041910.MAA20614@scv1.apple.com> Message-ID: <200104041921.MAA08303@idiom.com> On Wednesday, April 4, 2001, at 12:10 PM, Dave Payne wrote: > > It has been verified internally here at Apple that having a space in > the admin password causes the Developer.pkg install to hang partway > through the install process. Wow! I had no idea that Mac OS X allowed spaces in a password! (I guess my circa-1983 UNIX habits have served me well in this case.) -jcr From rob at prometheusmedia.com Wed Apr 4 12:26:56 2001 From: rob at prometheusmedia.com (Robert Brandtjen) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:38 2005 Subject: Apachectl Message-ID: I just had the most bizarre happen stance - changed the .conf file for apache, used /usr/local/sbin/apachectl configtest (it was fine) Then did /usr/local/sbin/apachectl stop followed by start and got a "could not bind to port 80 (already in use) error in the apache error log. I checked running processes and it was there running, could access the server - but not the new VH I had added. Issued stop command again, it said no such pid, and the start command gave same error "could not bind to port 80" Anyone else ever have this happen ? I had to reboot the server for the darn thing. Robert Brandtjen -------------------------------------- Web Site Creation and Hosting Services Hostmaster@prometheusmedia.com www.prometheusmedia.com From davep at apple.com Wed Apr 4 12:32:14 2001 From: davep at apple.com (Dave Payne) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:38 2005 Subject: Help: Mac OS X installation errors on a vanilla G4. In-Reply-To: <200104041921.MAA08303@idiom.com> Message-ID: <200104041931.MAA26909@scv1.apple.com> On Wednesday, April 4, 2001, at 12:20 PM, John C. Randolph wrote: > On Wednesday, April 4, 2001, at 12:10 PM, Dave Payne wrote: >> >> It has been verified internally here at Apple that having a space in >> the admin password causes the Developer.pkg install to hang partway >> through the install process. > > Wow! I had no idea that Mac OS X allowed spaces in a password! > (I guess my circa-1983 UNIX habits have served me well in this case.) Well, to be honest, I have the same circa-1983 UNIX habits as you, and was surprised to hear that spaces in passwords are allowed. Personally, I can't say whether there would or would not be any other problems in the system or in third-party apps if passwords had spaces. I won't profess to speak for all of Mac OS X on that issue. - Dave -- Dave Payne Manager, Mac OS X Development Environment Engineering Group Apple Computer, Inc. From a at blackbox.net Wed Apr 4 12:38:17 2001 From: a at blackbox.net (Andreas Monitzer) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:38 2005 Subject: Help: Mac OS X installation errors on a vanilla G4. In-Reply-To: <200104041910.MAA20614@scv1.apple.com> Message-ID: <200104041938.VAA00510@am.homeip.net> On Wednesday, April 4, 2001, at 09:10 , Dave Payne wrote: > On Wednesday, April 4, 2001, at 11:54 AM, Daniel J. Luke wrote: > >> On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 08:48:07PM +0200, Uli Zappe wrote: >>> Strange; another "only one". I seem to be the only one who can't >>> install the Developer package on a vanilla G4 (OS X itself installs >>> fine on my machine). >> >> I just read a message (on the student-dev list I think) that said the >> dev tools fail to install if there is a space in the admin/root password. > > That is true. (Uli, would you please confirm if this is the issue that > you've encountered?) > > I announced this on projectbuilder-users@lists.apple.com yesterday: > > It has been verified internally here at Apple that having a space in the > admin password causes the Developer.pkg install to hang partway through > the install process. Our testers report that the Installer GUI properly > authenticates the password and the installation appears to proceed. > After examining the contents of the disk, it passes control to an > underlying tool which attempts to perform the actual installation as root. > That tool incorrectly parses passwords with spaces and cannot > authenticate, thus causing the installer to hang with lots of permissions > errors. The workaround is to change the root/admin password to have no > spaces. I had another problem during installing. It stopped at about 9/10 of the installation process and told me to try again (no reason). But when I tried it again, it complained that there's not enough disk space available (which is correct, since half the packages were installed taking up the whole disk). I had to remove all installed files manually (by sending the file list to rm -f) to successfully install it. Apple's installer is pretty buggy. I'm happy that the security API now allows me to distribute my app as a disk image. andy -- Discussion forthcoming. From chuck at codefab.com Wed Apr 4 12:40:18 2001 From: chuck at codefab.com (Chuck Swiger) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:38 2005 Subject: Apachectl In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200104041940.f34Je7O05836@tertius.codefab.com> On Wed, 04 Apr 2001 14:26:11 -0500, Robert Brandtjen wrote: > Then did /usr/local/sbin/apachectl stop followed by start and got a "could > not bind to port 80 (already in use) error in the apache error log. You need to wait for the parent apache process to reap its children (via wait()) and to close open network sockets before starting it again. Use "apachectl restart"; wait for a while; or manually kill the old httpd's. -Chuck Chuck Swiger | chuck@codefab.com | All your packets are belong to us. -------------+-------------------+----------------------------------- I believe that what I'm feeling changes how the world appears. -Rush From rob at prometheusmedia.com Wed Apr 4 12:49:48 2001 From: rob at prometheusmedia.com (Robert Brandtjen) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:38 2005 Subject: Apachectl In-Reply-To: <200104041940.f34Je7O05836@tertius.codefab.com> Message-ID: on 4/4/01 2:40 PM, Chuck Swiger at chuck@codefab.com wrote: > > You need to wait for the parent apache process to reap its children (via > wait()) and to close open network sockets before starting it again. > > Use "apachectl restart"; wait for a while; or manually kill the old httpd's. > > -Chuck Funny thing is, is before installing a newer version in OSXS 1.2, it would kill them all almost instantly - can I use a kill -9 to kill them faster ? Robert Brandtjen -------------------------------------- Web Site Creation and Hosting Services Hostmaster@prometheusmedia.com www.prometheusmedia.com From rob at prometheusmedia.com Wed Apr 4 12:50:18 2001 From: rob at prometheusmedia.com (Robert Brandtjen) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:38 2005 Subject: Apachectl In-Reply-To: <200104041940.f34Je7O05836@tertius.codefab.com> Message-ID: on 4/4/01 2:40 PM, Chuck Swiger at chuck@codefab.com wrote: > Use "apachectl restart"; wait for a while; or manually kill the old httpd's. Thought that was buggy ? Robert Brandtjen -------------------------------------- Web Site Creation and Hosting Services Hostmaster@prometheusmedia.com www.prometheusmedia.com From lioness at bytewright.com Wed Apr 4 13:13:48 2001 From: lioness at bytewright.com (Stephanie Wright) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:38 2005 Subject: Help: Mac OS X installation errors on a vanilla G4. In-Reply-To: <200104041931.MAA26909@scv1.apple.com> References: <200104041931.MAA26909@scv1.apple.com> Message-ID: >On Wednesday, April 4, 2001, at 12:20 PM, John C. Randolph wrote: > >>On Wednesday, April 4, 2001, at 12:10 PM, Dave Payne wrote: >>> >>>It has been verified internally here at Apple that having a space >>>in the admin password causes the Developer.pkg install to hang >>>partway through the install process. Other packages using Apple's package installer won't take a space in an admin password either, causing the install to fail. And without any indication of why. This is a serious problem. -- Stephanie J. Wright --------------------------------------------------------------------- Tenon Intersystems 805-963-6983 1123 Chapala Street swright@tenon.com Santa Barbara, CA 93101 http://www.tenon.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- From brianw at sounds.wa.com Wed Apr 4 13:28:17 2001 From: brianw at sounds.wa.com (Brian Willoughby) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:38 2005 Subject: Classic with 9.1 and Mac OS X on UFS ? In-Reply-To: <200104041212.FAA10273@smtpout.mac.com> References: <200104041212.FAA10273@smtpout.mac.com> Message-ID: <200104042028.f34KS0606915@sounds.wa.com> [ >Release Candidate Version 10.0.1 (Build 4L7) [ [ don't drop teasers like that if you're not going to give further [ info! Oops. I think the machine got upgraded without me realizing it. To clarify, my Classic problems started with the Mac OS X Release Candidate, which I believe is the same as the final that Apple is selling. I simply reported the version that shows up in About This Mac at the time of my e-mail. I'm sorry, but I cannot give any further info on this Build. Suffice it to say that you can treat my problem as a problem with the RC or GM, and help me if you can! [ >"This startup disk will not work on this Macintosh model. Use the latest [ >Installer to update this disk for this model." [ [ The 9.1 supplied in the OS X package came from last year, and is [ not appropriate for 2001 Mac models. I'll swap you for my B&W if [ you want to quickly solve that! OK, this sounds logical (even though I don't have one of those new "digital audio" motherboard models). I guess I'll have to wait for the Mac OS release AFTER 9.1 before Classic will work? NOTE: I can boot this machine from the Mac OS 9.1 partition, and it does not complain (plays Quake 3 Arena just fine). So from that point of view I do not understand why 9.1 Classic is complaining. Brian Willoughby Sound Consulting From uli at ritual.org Wed Apr 4 14:18:07 2001 From: uli at ritual.org (Uli Zappe) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:38 2005 Subject: Help: Mac OS X installation errors on a vanilla G4. Message-ID: <14kudl-12MonAC@fmrl02.sul.t-online.com> Am Mittwoch, April 4, 2001, um 09:10 PM, schrieb Dave Payne: > On Wednesday, April 4, 2001, at 11:54 AM, Daniel J. Luke wrote: > > > On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 08:48:07PM +0200, Uli Zappe wrote: > >> Strange; another "only one". I seem to be the only one who can't > >> install the Developer package on a vanilla G4 (OS X itself installs > >> fine on my machine). > > > > I just read a message (on the student-dev list I think) that said the > > dev tools fail to install if there is a space in the admin/root > > password. > > That is true. (Uli, would you please confirm if this is the issue that > you've encountered?) No, it isn't; my password does not contain spaces. > I announced this on projectbuilder-users@lists.apple.com yesterday: > > It has been verified internally here at Apple that having a space in the > admin password causes the Developer.pkg install to hang partway through > the install process. Our testers report that the Installer GUI properly > authenticates the password and the installation appears to proceed. > After examining the contents of the disk, it passes control to an > underlying tool which attempts to perform the actual installation as > root. That tool incorrectly parses passwords with spaces and cannot > authenticate, thus causing the installer to hang with lots of > permissions errors. The strange thing in my case is that really *nothing* happens when Installer.app starts to hang, no errors in the console or a log file, no disk activity, no CPU activity, nothing. This happens when the actual installation of files is finished, and Installer.app is supposed to run the post-installation scripts (it says "Running Installer Script" in the GUI). It seems that Installer.app simply does not start any script at all; I have copied the Developer.pkg to my hard disk, and added an echo/print line to each sh and perl script in the Resources directory of the Developer.pkg wrapper; as far as I can see, these lines should appear in the GUI or the console/log file once I try to install this modified package. But nothing happens. So I am quite sure that not a single script is invoked at all. As I said, I have tried to install from the same CD onto my iBook, which has MacOS 9.1 installed, and Mac OS X over it, on a HFS+ formatted disk. Here, the Developer.pkg installs without any problems. Thanks to several answers from this list I know that other people had no problems installing the developer package on an UFS disk; so this can't be the reason. But what is it? I called the German Apple hotline today and talked to a very unfriendly Apple employee who basically told me I had to install on HFS+ because whatever people on the Internet would say, he knew the Developer.pkg had a lot of problems on UFS, and that besides, Apple would not support the Developer CD or guarantee anything, anyway. :-( > Some have pointed out that there may also be other issues that cause > installation difficulties, such as a third-party 256 MB RAM module that > may have been at the root of Warren's install problems. I have a 512 MB third-party RAM in my Cube, but I can't imagine that's the reason, either, because a hardware defect certainly shouldn't produce such "orderly" failure. Dave, could you possibly find out and tell me which scripts from Developer.pkg, in which order and by which user, I'd have to run manually from the command line to "clone" Installer.app's behavior after the files are unpacked? Maybe I'll be able to find out more this way, and besides, I'd finally have a usable developer installation... ;-) Bye Uli ________________________________________________________ Uli Zappe uli@ritual.org Lorscher Stra?e 5 http://www.ritual.org D-60489 Frankfurt Fon: +49-700-ULIZAPPE Germany Fax: +49-700-ZAPPEFAX ________________________________________________________ From pbierma at attglobal.net Wed Apr 4 14:34:06 2001 From: pbierma at attglobal.net (philipp biermann) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:38 2005 Subject: Help: Mac OS X installation errors on a vanilla G4. In-Reply-To: <14kudl-12MonAC@fmrl02.sul.t-online.com> Message-ID: <200104042133.XAA19494@ns.supra-net.net> could anybody who also has difficulties installing the developer cd please execute the command "update_prebinding -root /" from the commandline and tell me what happens and how long it takes ? thank you philipp From waltd at wdstudio.com Wed Apr 4 14:37:17 2001 From: waltd at wdstudio.com (Walter Lee Davis) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:38 2005 Subject: Apachectl In-Reply-To: Message-ID: When you did this, were you root? You have to use sudo or enable the root user in NetInfo and use su. sudo apachectl stop Password: sudo apachectl start If you aren't root, Apache is trying to start under your regular user name and finding that another process has already grabbed that port. Likewise, an ordinary user can't stop the web server from the command line. Walter On 4/4/01 3:26 PM, "Robert Brandtjen" wrote: > I just had the most bizarre happen stance - changed the .conf file for > apache, used /usr/local/sbin/apachectl configtest (it was fine) > > Then did /usr/local/sbin/apachectl stop followed by start and got a "could > not bind to port 80 (already in use) error in the apache error log. > > I checked running processes and it was there running, could access the > server - but not the new VH I had added. Issued stop command again, it said > no such pid, and the start command gave same error "could not bind to port > 80" > > > Anyone else ever have this happen ? I had to reboot the server for the darn > thing. > > > Robert Brandtjen > -------------------------------------- > Web Site Creation and Hosting Services > Hostmaster@prometheusmedia.com > www.prometheusmedia.com > > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-admin mailing list > MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin > From rob at prometheusmedia.com Wed Apr 4 15:02:29 2001 From: rob at prometheusmedia.com (Robert Brandtjen) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:38 2005 Subject: Apachectl In-Reply-To: Message-ID: on 4/4/01 4:36 PM, Walter Lee Davis at waltd@wdstudio.com wrote: > If you aren't root, Apache is trying to start under your regular user name > and finding that another process has already grabbed that port. Likewise, an > ordinary user can't stop the web server from the command line. No, I was root Robert Brandtjen -------------------------------------- Web Site Creation and Hosting Services Hostmaster@prometheusmedia.com www.prometheusmedia.com From uli at ritual.org Wed Apr 4 15:05:56 2001 From: uli at ritual.org (Uli Zappe) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:38 2005 Subject: Help: Mac OS X installation errors on a vanilla G4. In-Reply-To: <200104042133.XAA19494@ns.supra-net.net> Message-ID: <14kvPN-29AtXcC@fmrl04.sul.t-online.com> Am Mittwoch, 4. April 2001 um 23:33 schrieb philipp biermann: > could anybody who also has difficulties installing the developer cd > please execute the command "update_prebinding -root /" from the > commandline and tell me what happens and how long it takes ? [localhost:~] uli% update_prebinding -root / Apr 04 23:57:58 update_prebinding[2897] Start of update_prebinding Apr 04 23:57:58 update_prebinding[2897] Search system for executables/libraries that also need changing Apr 04 23:58:10 update_prebinding[2897] Scanning disk Apr 04 23:58:23 update_prebinding[2897] Scanning disk Apr 04 23:58:48 update_prebinding[2897] Scanning disk Apr 04 23:59:09 update_prebinding[2897] Scanning disk Apr 04 23:59:20 update_prebinding[2897] Scanning disk Apr 04 23:59:38 update_prebinding[2897] Scanning disk Apr 04 23:59:49 update_prebinding[2897] Scanning disk Apr 05 00:00:08 update_prebinding[2897] Scanning disk Apr 05 00:00:16 update_prebinding[2897] Scanning disk Apr 05 00:00:26 update_prebinding[2897] Scanning disk Apr 05 00:00:43 update_prebinding[2897] Scanning disk Apr 05 00:00:54 update_prebinding[2897] Scanning disk Apr 05 00:01:07 update_prebinding[2897] Scanning disk Apr 05 00:01:15 update_prebinding[2897] Scanning disk Apr 05 00:01:23 update_prebinding[2897] Scanning disk Apr 05 00:01:38 update_prebinding[2897] Scanning disk Apr 05 00:01:45 update_prebinding[2897] Scanning disk Apr 05 00:01:53 update_prebinding[2897] Scanning disk Apr 05 00:02:03 update_prebinding[2897] Scanning disk Apr 05 00:02:04 update_prebinding[2897] Scanning disk Apr 05 00:02:06 update_prebinding[2897] Scanning disk Apr 05 00:02:06 update_prebinding[2897] end search Apr 05 00:02:06 update_prebinding[2897] Prebinding files There are 1036 total files that must be re-prebound. /usr/bin/update_prebinding: can't create output file: /System/Library/Frameworks/CoreFoundation.framework/Versions/A/CoreFoundation. redo_prebinding (Permission denied) /usr/bin/update_prebinding: Error writing out new version of library. Bye Uli From pbierma at attglobal.net Wed Apr 4 15:24:42 2001 From: pbierma at attglobal.net (philipp biermann) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:38 2005 Subject: Help: Mac OS X installation errors on a vanilla G4. In-Reply-To: <14kvPN-29AtXcC@fmrl04.sul.t-online.com> References: <14kvPN-29AtXcC@fmrl04.sul.t-online.com> Message-ID: So, this is not my problem exactly, because ony my mac this procedure will not end scanning my disk and paging until my disk is full, but it could be also a a reason four other troubles. Maybe the installer waits for the successful return of the update_prebinding? philipp >Am Mittwoch, 4. April 2001 um 23:33 schrieb philipp biermann: > >>could anybody who also has difficulties installing the developer cd >>please execute the command "update_prebinding -root /" from the >>commandline and tell me what happens and how long it takes ? > >[localhost:~] uli% update_prebinding -root / >Apr 04 23:57:58 update_prebinding[2897] Start of update_prebinding >Apr 04 23:57:58 update_prebinding[2897] Search system for >executables/libraries that also need changing >Apr 04 23:58:10 update_prebinding[2897] Scanning disk >Apr 04 23:58:23 update_prebinding[2897] Scanning disk >Apr 04 23:58:48 update_prebinding[2897] Scanning disk >Apr 04 23:59:09 update_prebinding[2897] Scanning disk >Apr 05 00:02:03 update_prebinding[2897] Scanning disk >Apr 05 00:02:04 update_prebinding[2897] Scanning disk >Apr 05 00:02:06 update_prebinding[2897] Scanning disk >Apr 05 00:02:06 update_prebinding[2897] end search >Apr 05 00:02:06 update_prebinding[2897] Prebinding files >There are 1036 total files that must be re-prebound. >/usr/bin/update_prebinding: can't create output file: >/System/Library/Frameworks/CoreFoundation.framework/Versions/A/CoreFou >ndation. >redo_prebinding (Permission denied) >/usr/bin/update_prebinding: Error writing out new version of library. > > > Bye > Uli From uli at ritual.org Wed Apr 4 15:28:18 2001 From: uli at ritual.org (Uli Zappe) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:38 2005 Subject: Help: Mac OS X installation errors on a vanilla G4. Message-ID: <14kvkx-1hrYMyC@fmrl02.sul.t-online.com> Am Donnerstag, April 5, 2001, um 12:23 AM, schrieb philipp biermann: > this is not my problem exactly, because ony my mac this procedure > will not end scanning my disk and paging until my disk is full, but > it could be also a a reason four other troubles. Maybe the installer > waits for the successful return of the update_prebinding? No, because update_prebinding obviously never is invoked in the first place. Bye Uli ________________________________________________________ Uli Zappe uli@ritual.org Lorscher Stra?e 5 http://www.ritual.org D-60489 Frankfurt Fon: +49-700-ULIZAPPE Germany Fax: +49-700-ZAPPEFAX ________________________________________________________ From michael at hesta.com Wed Apr 4 16:01:04 2001 From: michael at hesta.com (michael@hesta.com) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:38 2005 Subject: Office 98 vs 2001 under X Message-ID: We are getting some bad behavior from 98 now with file saving to remotely served directories ( we can't amend them after the primary save) I would like some synopsis of the known problems with Offfice 2001 .... Are they *aethetic* or operative? Any feedback would be appreciated- Off list is OK if needed! From dan.burger at the-chapel.org Wed Apr 4 16:06:36 2001 From: dan.burger at the-chapel.org (Dan Burger) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:38 2005 Subject: Office 98 vs 2001 under X In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I am running Office 2001, and have had no significant problems at all. The only problem I have seen, is that If an office app is open when the computer goes to sleep, it sometimes crashes classic on reopening. Thanks, on 4/4/01 7:00 PM, michael@hesta.com at michael@hesta.com wrote: > We are getting some bad behavior from 98 now with file saving to > remotely served directories ( we can't amend them after the primary > save) I would like some synopsis of the known problems with Offfice > 2001 .... Are they *aethetic* or operative? > > Any feedback would be appreciated- Off list is OK if needed! > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-admin mailing list > MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin From tmk at easynet.be Wed Apr 4 16:09:15 2001 From: tmk at easynet.be (Tattoo Mabonzo K.) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:38 2005 Subject: SOLVED! Was: Mac OS X installation errors on a vanilla G4. In-Reply-To: <200104041953.MAA15088@smtpout.mac.com> Message-ID: Yo, I'd like to extend a warm THANK YOU to the many kind souls who have provided advice re: my installation problem. As some correctly pointed out, the problem was related to my 256MB PC100 DIMM RAM. The funny (not!) thing is that this RAM was factory-installed by Apple. FWIW, It has a sticker that reads: MT16LSDT3264AG-10EBA PC100-222-620 US 994AAM9F .005 APPLE 333-0330 This simple fact caused me to reject the possibility that the RAM could be the problem. Besides, I had applied the recently released 4.1.8 firmware update and it didn't cause the RAM problems that have been widely reported. Replacing that RAM with a 256MB PC133 DIMM cured the problems. After putting in the new DIMM and successfully installing OS X and the developer package, I reverted to a PC100 DIMM and guess what, I immediately got a kernel panic upon reboot. And the error message mentioned something about a memory access error! So I just bought Again THANKS A MILLION for your help guys. = tmk = PS: I'm writing this email from on my G4 running OSX :-))) From rpaul at imageworks.com Wed Apr 4 17:58:56 2001 From: rpaul at imageworks.com (Rodian Paul (Version 4.1)) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:38 2005 Subject: Developer.pkg not installable on UFS? Message-ID: <3ACBC303.E0C23438@imageworks.com> > Hi, > > I'm confronted with yet another problem with installing the Mac OS X developer > tools from the CD. > > When I start the Developer.pkg in Installer app, everything runs fine until > just before the end of the "Installation" phase, when it says "Running > Installer Script". As soon as these words appears, *nothing* happens anymore, >... My experience with the Dev.pkg was that I had to install it over a net from another G4 running OS 9. On the dual 450 G4 that I had installed OSX on a UFS, I couldn't read the disk in either OSX or OS9. This is a 3 month old machine verses a 1.5 year old G4. I attributed the problem to either a weak pressing of the Dev.pgk disk or a less tolerant DVD-ROM drive in the G4. _______________________________________________________________________________ Rodian Paul rpaul@imageworks.com vox: +1.310.840.8427 fax: +1.310.840.8766 From bryanharris at mac.com Wed Apr 4 21:30:41 2001 From: bryanharris at mac.com (Bryan Harris) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:38 2005 Subject: Developer.pkg not installable on UFS? In-Reply-To: <3ACBC303.E0C23438@imageworks.com> Message-ID: >> I'm confronted with yet another problem with installing the Mac OS X >> developer >> tools from the CD. >> >> When I start the Developer.pkg in Installer app, everything runs fine until >> just before the end of the "Installation" phase, when it says "Running >> Installer Script". As soon as these words appears, *nothing* happens anymore, >> ... > > My experience with the Dev.pkg was that I had to install it over a net from > another G4 running OS 9. > > On the dual 450 G4 that I had installed OSX on a UFS, I couldn't read the > disk in either OSX or OS9. > > This is a 3 month old machine verses a 1.5 year old G4. I attributed the > problem to either a weak pressing of the Dev.pgk disk or a less tolerant > DVD-ROM drive in the G4. Make sure your password doesn't have any spaces in it, this is a known bug. - B From morten.ronseth at rayon.no Wed Apr 4 23:16:21 2001 From: morten.ronseth at rayon.no (Morten R=?ISO-8859-1?B?+A==?=nseth) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:38 2005 Subject: mod_jk Message-ID: Hi all, I'm trying to get mod_jk to compile under OS X but it seems that it relies on glibc - which is not (yet?) ported to Darwin. Does anybody know if this happens to be the case and if so a) is there any ongoing work in getting glibc ported to Darwin b) is there any other way to get mod_jk to run under Darwin Cheers, -Morten ------------------------------------------------------------------- Rayon Interactive AS http://www.rayon.no Morten Lerskau R?nseth mailto:morten.ronseth@rayon.no Karenslyst All? 16d Tlf.: (47) 2213 5250 0278 Oslo Fax : (47) 2213 5260 Norway ICQ: 25163080 PGP fingerprint: F851 91B6 1D81 1409 8B62 3E14 5A60 65F8 5AF4 56AF From nick.shanks at virgin.net Thu Apr 5 02:05:26 2001 From: nick.shanks at virgin.net (Nicholas Shanks) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:38 2005 Subject: OpenSSH, SSH in general, & rsync Message-ID: I have never used SSH (successfully) before. I managed to install the OpenSSH package per stepwise, but now have no idea how to use it. I typed ssh-keygen, but that seemed to generate keys for "nicholas@localhost"? Anyway continuing, i now have identity & identity.pub in my .ssh directory, and have had the public key correctly installed on the machine I want access to. How do I log in? I tried "slogin host.goes.here" but that replied saying user unauthorized after entering my passphrase. I tried doing the same on OS 9 using both Better Telnet and MacSSH, but with less luck. All I got was a blank window into which I couldn't type. MacSSH's log window showed a whole heap of errors I can't begin to understand Is there an SSH primer I should read? And why are there only man pages for openssl, but not openssh? I also intend to run rsync over ssh after I can log in manually. Is all that is required just "rsync --rsh=ssh ?", I assume this will not automatically authenticate. How do I do this? please send replies to me directly, but don't cc the list, otherwise it'll get put in the OSS X Admin list folder anyway, and I'll never be able to find it :( Nicholas Shanks -- HexEdit: http://nickshanks.com/hexedit/ From john_oshea at wordbank.co.uk Thu Apr 5 05:45:13 2001 From: john_oshea at wordbank.co.uk (John O'Shea) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:38 2005 Subject: DNS / Netinfo questions Message-ID: I'm having intermittent DNS failures (maybe once or twice a day) that are fixed by -HUPing lookupd and I'm wondering if there's a better solution. I get the following messages on the console: >Apr 5 03:15:27 JOHNS-G3 lookupd[176]: DNSAgent: dns_send_query_server - >timeout for 195.12.225.33 >Apr 5 03:15:37 JOHNS-G3 lookupd[176]: DNSAgent: dns_fqdn_query_server - >query failed for 195.12.225.33 I'm running OS X final, on an internal (10.x.x.x) network behind a firewall. We don't host DNS ourselves - the 195. number above is the address of one of the two DNS servers I've got specified in "Network". I'm also trying to set up the equivalent of /etc/hosts entries in Netinfo as we've got several machines that have both internal and external ip addresses - our mail server should be 10.1.1.10 as far as my machine is concerned, but 213.155.156.68 for the outside world. I've duplicated the localhost entry under '/machines' and amended the name & address fields for each machine I want to appear, but, having 'restarted all Netinfo domains on local host', I still end up with the external addresses appearing. I've tried both host names ('mail', for example) and FQDNs but neither seem to have any effect. At the moment, it's only my machine running Netinfo, and, to be honest, I'm at a bit of a loss as to what to do next. Any pointers to what I *should* be doing here will be *very* gratefully accepted. -- John O'Shea PGP fingerprint: 9A0A 47F7 A822 813E FFD4 B7B9 4194 C3F8 E610 F7C4 From markbvt at adelphia.net Thu Apr 5 06:08:31 2001 From: markbvt at adelphia.net (Mark Bock) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:38 2005 Subject: DNS / Netinfo questions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: >I'm having intermittent DNS failures (maybe once or twice a day) that are >fixed by -HUPing lookupd and I'm wondering if there's a better solution. I >get the following messages on the console: [snip] > >I'm running OS X final, on an internal (10.x.x.x) network behind a >firewall. We don't host DNS ourselves - the 195. number above is the >address of one of the two DNS servers I've got specified in "Network". I have the same problem. In fact, I had the same problem in OS X Public Beta. My current solution for it is to simply switch my Network panel to a different location, save, switch back, save again. This nearly always clears it up. However, it is annoying. Anyone got any better solutions? --mark -- . . . . . mark bock KB1EXL markbvt@adelphia.net "A youth who can't hit a cathedral at thirty yards with a Gatling gun in three-quarters of an hour, can take up an old empty musket and bag his grandmother every time, at a hundred." --Mark Twain PGP Public Key: available at http://www.armchaircommando.org/key.html PGP Fingerprint: 1A59 BBB7 DF23 9FEC 5897 5C7B 7703 78FB CC33 6ABC From frankg at overland.net Thu Apr 5 06:18:00 2001 From: frankg at overland.net (Frank Garcia) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:38 2005 Subject: fstab & rescue booting Message-ID: Hi. I've managed to fill up my OSX partition, and I wanted to move /usr off to another drive partition. So I cd'd into /usr, and performed the following: sudo pico /etc/fstab created file with this in it: /dev/disk0s11 /usr hfs rw 1 2 sudo find . -depth | sudo cpio -pdmv /Volumes/target_partition cd / mv /usr /usr.old reboot The reboot just hung, and I was unable to get OS9 to boot until I had zapped the PRAM and gone into open firmware and entered SET-DEFAULTS. But I still could not get OSX to boot, even into single-user. And the Finder in OS9.1 doesn't show the "hidden" directories on the OSX partition, so I couldn't make any changes from there. So I installed OSX on the partition I was trying to mount on /usr, booted to it (which worked fine) and used it to erase the /etc/fstab off the other OSX partition and 'sudo mv usr.old usr'. I then set the startup back to my original OSX partition & rebooted -- everything is fine, except that I'm still at 100% usage on that partition. So my question is this: What's the best way to proceed? I have 4 partitions, 2 of which I can use for the install, and 2 that I want to leave as they are. Can Disk Utility repartition the drive to merge the 2 partitions w/o affecting the other 2? I don't recall having any luck with that in the past, but maybe I'm wrong. But the sysadmin in me also wants to know what went wrong with moving /usr to another partition. That ought to work, so there must be something that I did wrong. And I wasn't real thrilled that I had to install a second copy of the OS just to do a (thankfully) simple rescue. Is there a better way to boot from a CD perhaps? I'm a little annoyed that the OSX CD just auto-runs the installer. TIA Frank From techabos at classlibrary.net Thu Apr 5 07:08:58 2001 From: techabos at classlibrary.net (erik) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:38 2005 Subject: fstab & rescue booting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: hi franke, >I've managed to fill up my OSX partition, and I wanted to move /usr off to >another drive partition. So I cd'd into /us for the same reason i moved successfully the /Users folder to another partition. This is the line from my fstab file, /dev/disk0s12 /Users hfs rw 1 2 as opposed to yours: /dev/disk0s11 /usr hfs rw 1 2 i'm certainly not an expert, but it seems that tabs in this file are important, not simply whitespace. I suggest to copy a line from one of the fstab.* files and modify the entries. make sure that all access permissions are right on the target partition, or loginwindow, finder etc. will freak out. I checked this before loging in to a WindowServer environment from the standard darwin console as root. maybe this helps, -- erik From stuart.roebuck at adolos.co.uk Thu Apr 5 07:46:57 2001 From: stuart.roebuck at adolos.co.uk (Stuart Roebuck) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:38 2005 Subject: Help: Mac OS X installation errors on a vanilla G4. In-Reply-To: <14kvPN-29AtXcC@fmrl04.sul.t-online.com> Message-ID: Interesting... My day-to-day system - a PowerBook (Firewire) 500MHz has been running significantly slower than an old Blue & White G3 400MHz we have running identical systems (4K78). I've just tried running update_prebinding on my PowerBook in debug mode. e. g.: update_prebinding -debug -root / and I get: Apr 05 10:00:14 update_prebinding[481] Start of update_prebinding Debug mode -- no redo_prebinding done. Apr 05 10:00:14 update_prebinding[481] Search system for executables/libraries that also need changing Apr 05 10:00:16 update_prebinding[481] Scanning disk Apr 05 10:00:19 update_prebinding[481] Scanning disk Apr 05 10:00:21 update_prebinding[481] Scanning disk Apr 05 10:00:28 update_prebinding[481] Scanning disk Apr 05 10:00:31 update_prebinding[481] Scanning disk Apr 05 10:00:33 update_prebinding[481] Scanning disk Apr 05 10:00:37 update_prebinding[481] Scanning disk Apr 05 10:00:40 update_prebinding[481] Scanning disk Apr 05 10:00:42 update_prebinding[481] Scanning disk Apr 05 10:00:44 update_prebinding[481] Scanning disk Apr 05 10:00:47 update_prebinding[481] Scanning disk Apr 05 10:00:52 update_prebinding[481] Scanning disk Apr 05 10:00:57 update_prebinding[481] Scanning disk Apr 05 10:01:00 update_prebinding[481] Scanning disk Apr 05 10:01:02 update_prebinding[481] Scanning disk Apr 05 10:01:05 update_prebinding[481] Scanning disk Apr 05 10:01:11 update_prebinding[481] Scanning disk Apr 05 10:01:15 update_prebinding[481] Scanning disk Apr 05 10:01:18 update_prebinding[481] Scanning disk Apr 05 10:01:19 update_prebinding[481] Scanning disk Apr 05 10:01:21 update_prebinding[481] Scanning disk Apr 05 10:01:26 update_prebinding[481] Scanning disk Apr 05 10:01:27 update_prebinding[481] Scanning disk Apr 05 10:01:30 update_prebinding[481] Scanning disk Apr 05 10:01:33 update_prebinding[481] Scanning disk Apr 05 10:01:35 update_prebinding[481] Scanning disk Apr 05 10:01:38 update_prebinding[481] Scanning disk Apr 05 10:01:41 update_prebinding[481] Scanning disk Apr 05 10:01:44 update_prebinding[481] Scanning disk Segmentation fault I've been able to install the developer tools okay. But this output could lead me to think that the prebinding process may not have succeeded. I tried the same on our Blue & White G3 and the whole process succeeded ending with the summary: Number of files skipped 61827 Total number of files seen: 31144 Number of directories seen: 13585 Number of non-exec files: 0 Number of small files: 10436 Number of refs to other vol: 4 Number of files w/o libs: 5205 Number of files with libs: 1177 Number of files to prebind: 1211 Apr 05 10:09:02 update_prebinding[347] update_prebinding done. Stuart. On Wednesday, April 4, 2001, at 11:05 pm, Uli Zappe wrote: > > Am Mittwoch, 4. April 2001 um 23:33 schrieb philipp biermann: > >> could anybody who also has difficulties installing the developer cd >> please execute the command "update_prebinding -root /" from the >> commandline and tell me what happens and how long it takes ? > > [localhost:~] uli% update_prebinding -root / > Apr 04 23:57:58 update_prebinding[2897] Start of update_prebinding > Apr 04 23:57:58 update_prebinding[2897] Search system for > executables/libraries that also need changing > Apr 04 23:58:10 update_prebinding[2897] Scanning disk > Apr 04 23:58:23 update_prebinding[2897] Scanning disk > Apr 04 23:58:48 update_prebinding[2897] Scanning disk > Apr 04 23:59:09 update_prebinding[2897] Scanning disk > Apr 04 23:59:20 update_prebinding[2897] Scanning disk > Apr 04 23:59:38 update_prebinding[2897] Scanning disk > Apr 04 23:59:49 update_prebinding[2897] Scanning disk > Apr 05 00:00:08 update_prebinding[2897] Scanning disk > Apr 05 00:00:16 update_prebinding[2897] Scanning disk > Apr 05 00:00:26 update_prebinding[2897] Scanning disk > Apr 05 00:00:43 update_prebinding[2897] Scanning disk > Apr 05 00:00:54 update_prebinding[2897] Scanning disk > Apr 05 00:01:07 update_prebinding[2897] Scanning disk > Apr 05 00:01:15 update_prebinding[2897] Scanning disk > Apr 05 00:01:23 update_prebinding[2897] Scanning disk > > Apr 05 00:01:38 update_prebinding[2897] Scanning disk > Apr 05 00:01:45 update_prebinding[2897] Scanning disk > Apr 05 00:01:53 update_prebinding[2897] Scanning disk > Apr 05 00:02:03 update_prebinding[2897] Scanning disk > Apr 05 00:02:04 update_prebinding[2897] Scanning disk > Apr 05 00:02:06 update_prebinding[2897] Scanning disk > Apr 05 00:02:06 update_prebinding[2897] end search > Apr 05 00:02:06 update_prebinding[2897] Prebinding files > There are 1036 total files that must be re-prebound. > /usr/bin/update_prebinding: can't create output file: > /System/Library/Frameworks/CoreFoundation.framework/Versions/A/CoreFoundation. > redo_prebinding (Permission denied) > /usr/bin/update_prebinding: Error writing out new version of library. > > > Bye > Uli ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Stuart Roebuck stuart.roebuck@adolos.com Lead Developer Java, XML, MacOS X, XP, etc. ADOLOS http://www.adolos.com/ From dez at mac.com Thu Apr 5 08:32:26 2001 From: dez at mac.com (Derek Chesterfield) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:38 2005 Subject: Configuring Netw. Devices Via Console Port In-Reply-To: <200104041645.JAA24572@omnigroup.com> Message-ID: <200104051530.IAA05193@smtpout.mac.com> Well, I would really like a way of doing this in native OS X as well, and asked a similar question earlier this week. Alex Karahalios posted a tip recently about compiling minicom, if you are up to that... I'm not!... Of course we want a proper GUI app to do it! (And for it to work with the Keyspan adapter.) I was wondering whether it was possible to connect Terminal to the /dev/cu... or /dev/tty... driver, but I'm not sure that that would be enough... how would you set the baud etc. parameters? However, a temporary solution that works for me is to use Classic. This is what I did: 1) Boot into OS 9, and install the regular Keyspan drivers 2) Create a Classic set in Extension Manager, with the following enabled: Control Panels: General Controls; Keyspan USA19 Assistant Extensions: Apple Guide; AppleShare; CarbonLib; Classic RAVE; File Sharing Extension; KeyspanUSA19Drvr; LaserWriter 8; Open Transport; Open Transport ASLM Modules; OpenTpt Remote Access; PrintingLib; QuickDraw 3D RAVE; USB Device Extension; USBSerial System Folder: Classic Support UI; Keyspan USA19 Manager; ProxyApp 3) Reboot to X 4) In System Prefs, set Classic (under the Advanced tab) to bring up Extensions Manager 5) Start Classic and choose Classic extensions set 6) Use either ZTerm or Blacknight to connect to the Keyspan port One caveat: the OS X Keyspan driver prevents the Classic driver from working correctly. If you have installed it in OS X, either remove it, or use kextunload to unload it before starting Classic. (Gotta love unloadable drivers... at last!) Have fun! Dez On Wednesday, April 4, 2001, at 05:45 pm, macs@thestandard.com wrote: > Anyone out there able to give advice on jacking into Cisco Routers and > Switches through their console port from OSX? > > I have a Keyspan Serial Port/USB converter up and working with the new > drivers, but have very limited BSD experience and would like to know > how to bind terminal.app to that interface, or maybe there is a > Darwin/OSX prog that I need. Any ideas? > > > Grateful in SF > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-admin mailing list > MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin > From eric at emieng.com Thu Apr 5 08:34:38 2001 From: eric at emieng.com (eric@emieng.com) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:38 2005 Subject: Mail.app can't connect to either POP or IMAP host Message-ID: I've entered my mail account information in just like it is under Navigator, but when I try to retrieve mail I get the message: Couldn't connect to POP host named mail.atlantech.net. When I try to send mail, I receive this message: Can't determine IP address of host mail.atlantech.net. I can ping the machine as well as use the web mail interface at the same address. Also, this occurs whether I use a POP or IMAP account within Mail.app. Thanks in advance. From bdavies at macnexus.org Thu Apr 5 08:53:36 2001 From: bdavies at macnexus.org (Bill Davies) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:38 2005 Subject: Samba for Dummies? Message-ID: -- Anyone know how to tell me how to configure Samba? I downloaded and installed it, and when the computer starts it says "Samba server starting" But I went to a Windows person next door, and I do not show up in her Network Neighborhood, so I assume that there is more configuration to do in MacOS X, and the deal I downloaded and installed has no user interface. So I'm probably stuck editing a text file, right? Bill From bryanharris at mac.com Thu Apr 5 08:58:07 2001 From: bryanharris at mac.com (Bryan Harris) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:38 2005 Subject: Samba for Dummies? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > > Anyone know how to tell me how to configure Samba? > If it makes you feel any better, I couldn't get it working either (it was only my first try ever). Someone else can probably tell you better, but see if your installation came with an app called SWAT. It's a tiny web server that you can use to configure your Samba server via a web interface. Best of luck, Bryan From alex at resolvemedia.net Thu Apr 5 09:04:30 2001 From: alex at resolvemedia.net (Alex Fuller) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:38 2005 Subject: PPP connection sharing Message-ID: Is it possible to share a PPP dialup connection in OS X? I have played around with ipfw, but packets do not seem to make it to the PPP interface. Or at least not back in again. I have looked at BSD info on doing this, but they all say to use ppp with -alias - but since there is no ppp command in OS X and this is done by the Internet Connect GUI program, I am left wondering if this is easily possible... Any info appreciated. Alex From jeremy at biohabit.com Thu Apr 5 09:05:06 2001 From: jeremy at biohabit.com (Jeremy O'Leary) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:38 2005 Subject: Samba for Dummies? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: O'Reilly has their entire Samba book online at: http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/samba/chapter/book/index.html There are some samba GUI tools, but I do not know how good they are http://us2.samba.org/samba/GUI/ + Jeremy On Thu, 5 Apr 2001, Bill Davies wrote: > > -- > Anyone know how to tell me how to configure Samba? > > I downloaded and installed it, and when the computer starts it says > "Samba server starting" > > But I went to a Windows person next door, and I do not show up in her > Network Neighborhood, so I assume that there is more configuration to > do in MacOS X, and the deal I downloaded and installed has no user > interface. > > So I'm probably stuck editing a text file, right? > > Bill > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-admin mailing list > MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin > _______________ Jeremy O'Leary Banging your head against a wall uses 150 calories an hour. From rob at prometheusmedia.com Thu Apr 5 09:11:02 2001 From: rob at prometheusmedia.com (Robert Brandtjen) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:38 2005 Subject: Samba for Dummies? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: on 4/5/01 11:09 AM, Jeremy O'Leary at jeremy@biohabit.com wrote: > > There are some samba GUI tools, but I do not know how good they are > > http://us2.samba.org/samba/GUI/ > Webmin handles it as well. But you'll need Netscape 4.76 or better or Omniweb to use it. http://www.webmin.com Robert Brandtjen -------------------------------------- Web Site Creation and Hosting Services Hostmaster@prometheusmedia.com www.prometheusmedia.com From glessard at mail.tffenterprises.com Thu Apr 5 09:11:29 2001 From: glessard at mail.tffenterprises.com (Guillaume Lessard) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:38 2005 Subject: SSH2/SSH1 Agent Problems In-Reply-To: <20010404182718.B875719BF2@mail.gamemore.com> References: <20010404182718.B875719BF2@mail.gamemore.com> Message-ID: <51179386.986461884@shake.caltech.edu> --On April 4, 2001 1:27 PM -0500 Chris Goltz wrote: > What is wrong with OpenSSH? It's free. Its perfectly compatible. It's BUGGY! All the people I know that have tried OpenSSH have been burned in one way or another. Not so with the real thing. OpenSSH is compatible with OpenSSH, not much more. SSH2 from ssh.com is free to students and dilettantes, it communicates with OpenSSH *and* with itself, whereas OpenSSH fails a whole lot to communicate with the real thing. Seeing that SSH2 compiles right out of the box, I see only advantages in using it. If, on the other hand, you're running a company, buying SSH2 gives you support, too. Tell me again, where's the disadvantage? -- Guillaume Lessard glessard@caltech.edu Graduate Student Caltech Applied Physics/Electrical Engineering From john_oshea at wordbank.co.uk Thu Apr 5 09:20:17 2001 From: john_oshea at wordbank.co.uk (John O'Shea) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:38 2005 Subject: "losing my mind" ? Message-ID: Have just had the weirdest thing happen & I'm not sure whether I should be worried or not: I noticed proftpd showing up in 'top' which is very weird as I haven't installed it. I then tried to 'ftpwho' to see who was connected and got a message that 'ftpwho' couldn't be found. OK, I think, maybe I need to be root to do this. I then type 'sudo -s' and get the message about "respect the privacy of others" and "think before you type" which I haven't seen since I first ran sudo. The password prompt appeared, I typed it in, and get a message something along the lines of "Don't do that, silly boy" (!), tried again and got "I'm losing my mind". I couldn't ^C out of the password prompt, so I closed the terminal down. Doing a 'find / -name proftpd -print' didn't reveal one anywhere. Doing a strings on sudo doesn't reveal anything like the messages above. Errrm, "help", is, I think, the phrase I'm looking for... -- John O'Shea PGP fingerprint: 9A0A 47F7 A822 813E FFD4 B7B9 4194 C3F8 E610 F7C4 From brent at baton.phys.lsu.edu Thu Apr 5 09:27:02 2001 From: brent at baton.phys.lsu.edu (Brent Neal) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:38 2005 Subject: SSH2/SSH1 Agent Problems In-Reply-To: <51179386.986461884@shake.caltech.edu> References: <20010404182718.B875719BF2@mail.gamemore.com> <51179386.986461884@shake.caltech.edu> Message-ID: >--On April 4, 2001 1:27 PM -0500 Chris Goltz wrote: > >>What is wrong with OpenSSH? It's free. Its perfectly compatible. It's > >BUGGY! All the people I know that have tried OpenSSH have been >burned in one way or another. Not so with the real thing. OpenSSH is >compatible with OpenSSH, not much more. > > >SSH2 from ssh.com is free to students and dilettantes, it >communicates with OpenSSH *and* with itself, whereas OpenSSH fails a >whole lot to communicate with the real thing. > >Seeing that SSH2 compiles right out of the box, I see only >advantages in using it. > >If, on the other hand, you're running a company, buying SSH2 gives >you support, too. Tell me again, where's the disadvantage? > We have a mixed OpenSSH and commercial SSH environment here in the Physics Dept. The only trouble we've *ever* had with the two programs interacting was with version 1.5 of the protocol. Once everyone switched over to version 2.0, we've seen exactly zero problems. OpenSSH is a fine product. If the BSD licensing issue torques you, look at the GPL'ed implementation lsh. B -- Brent Neal Concurrent Computing Laboratory for Materials Simulations Dept. of Physics - Dept. of Computer Science Louisiana State University From marcel at bresink.de Thu Apr 5 09:38:01 2001 From: marcel at bresink.de (Marcel Bresink) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:38 2005 Subject: fstab & rescue booting In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200104051637.SAA07227@mayim.bresink.net> > sudo pico /etc/fstab > created file with this in it: > /dev/disk0s11 /usr hfs rw 1 2 [...] > But the sysadmin in me also wants to know what went wrong with moving /usr > to another partition. That ought to work, so there must be something that I > did wrong. This doesn't work because the "mount" command is a dynamically linked program. Mount needs /usr/lib/dyld and /usr/lib/libSystem.B.dylib to work. So without /usr, mount cannot mount /usr, and you have a chicken-and-egg problem... > Can Disk Utility repartition the drive to merge the 2 partitions w/o > affecting the other 2? I don't recall having any luck with that in the > past, > but maybe I'm wrong. Disk Utility cannot repartition without erasing the entire drive. You can use pdisk to repartition disks (it's shipped with Mac OS X), but do it with great caution... ;-) > And I wasn't real thrilled that I had to install a second copy of the OS > just to do a (thankfully) simple rescue. Is there a better way to boot > from > a CD perhaps? I'm a little annoyed that the OSX CD just auto-runs the > installer. I haven't tried that yet but it might be possible to boot from the CD in single-user mode. Marcel -- Dr. Marcel Bresink, Ringstr. 21, 56630 Kretz, Germany Fon: +49-2632-953150 Fax: -953151 http://www.bresink.de/ From rob at prometheusmedia.com Thu Apr 5 09:39:41 2001 From: rob at prometheusmedia.com (Robert Brandtjen) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:38 2005 Subject: "losing my mind" ? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: on 4/5/01 11:17 AM, John O'Shea at john_oshea@wordbank.co.uk wrote: > I then tried to 'ftpwho' to see who was connected and got a message that > 'ftpwho' couldn't be found. OK, I think, maybe I need to be root to do > this. I then type 'sudo -s' and get the message about "respect the privacy > of others" and "think before you type" which I haven't seen since I first > ran sudo. The password prompt appeared, I typed it in, and get a message > something along the lines of "Don't do that, silly boy" (!), tried again > and got "I'm losing my mind". "all your servers are belong to us" :-) Robert Brandtjen -------------------------------------- Web Site Creation and Hosting Services Hostmaster@prometheusmedia.com www.prometheusmedia.com From rogerc at mac.com Thu Apr 5 09:48:09 2001 From: rogerc at mac.com (Roger Carlson) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:38 2005 Subject: OpenSSH, SSH in general, & rsync In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200104051642.JAA05091@smtpout.mac.com> Let me start by asking anybody who replied to Nicholas if they can find the email they sent and send it to the list as well. You never know who might need info like this, I have ssh working but need help with the rsync part. On Thursday, April 5, 2001, at 02:05 AM, Nicholas Shanks wrote: > I have never used SSH (successfully) before. I got it working just yesterday. > I managed to install the OpenSSH package per stepwise, but now have no > idea > how to use it. I typed ssh-keygen, but that seemed to generate keys for > "nicholas@localhost"? You can change localhost to a real name by editing /etc/hostconfig and changing hostname=compname instead of hostname=-AUTOMATIC-. There is also a way to do this with netinfo, but I don't know what part of the netinfo database to edit. > Anyway continuing, i now have identity & identity.pub in my .ssh > directory, > and have had the public key correctly installed on the machine I want > access > to. How do I log in? I tried "slogin host.goes.here" but that replied > saying > user unauthorized after entering my passphrase. I haven't used slogin yet, but I have used ssh successfully. I started by getting in from MacSSH under 9.0. follow the MacSSH readme, you need to set up a key and a few other things. Is the sshd running? check that you followed even the final step in the stepwise ssh instructions, and that hostconfig has the ssh server turned on, and you probably needed a reboot in there. also read the man page for ssh, and it will tell you that you can add your public key to the ~/.ssh/authorized_keys file on the remote host. I'm new at this, too, but from what I can figure out, that step is not necessary but is helpful. > I tried doing the same on OS 9 using both Better Telnet and MacSSH, but > with > less luck. All I got was a blank window into which I couldn't type. > MacSSH's > log window showed a whole heap of errors I can't begin to understand Strange. Again, follow the macSSH readme > Is there an SSH primer I should read? > And why are there only man pages for openssl, but not openssh? try www.openssh.org > I also intend to run rsync over ssh after I can log in manually. Is all > that > is required just "rsync --rsh=ssh ?", I assume this will not > automatically > authenticate. How do I do this? I need help here, too. I have made sftp work. Is a secure file transfer significantly slower than non secure? I want my login/pass secure, don't care if my data is, and compression won't help me - I'm sending video. Is setting up tcpwrappers necessary? do you just add a hosts.deny and hosts.allow file? thanks, Roger -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I just turned this on yesterday, and while I feel a little safer than I did under telnet, I don't have a lot of confidence that I set this up right. -t type Specifies the type of the key to create. The possible values are ``rsa1'' for protocol version 1 and ``rsa'' or ``dsa'' for proto- col version 2. The default is ``rsa1''. From rob at prometheusmedia.com Thu Apr 5 09:59:30 2001 From: rob at prometheusmedia.com (Robert Brandtjen) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:38 2005 Subject: SSH2/SSH1 Agent Problems In-Reply-To: <200104051651.JAA17717@smtpout.mac.com> Message-ID: on 4/5/01 11:51 AM, Roger Carlson at rogerc@mac.com wrote: > How do you do that? the only place I've seen this mentioned is that > ssh-keygen defaults to a 1.0 key. By simply making a protocol 2 key, > does that move you up to version 2.0, or is there more to it? In any > case, I'm not sure how to generate a new key for the system. Yes: Ssh-keygen -t rsa DSA is not recommended Robert Brandtjen -------------------------------------- Web Site Creation and Hosting Services Hostmaster@prometheusmedia.com www.prometheusmedia.com From martin.ott at stud.tu-muenchen.de Thu Apr 5 09:59:46 2001 From: martin.ott at stud.tu-muenchen.de (Martin Ott) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:38 2005 Subject: How to use iostat? Message-ID: I am trying to collect information about my Mac OS X Server machine. netstat is fine for network usage. iostat seems to be made for cpu and i/o (disks) statistics. But a haven't got any output from iostat. The man page doesn't help me any further. Cheers, Martin. From rogerc at mac.com Thu Apr 5 10:14:22 2001 From: rogerc at mac.com (Roger Carlson) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:38 2005 Subject: SSH2/SSH1 Agent Problems In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200104051711.KAA10365@smtpout.mac.com> On Thursday, April 5, 2001, at 09:59 AM, Robert Brandtjen wrote: > > Ssh-keygen -t rsa > > DSA is not recommended thanks a lot for the quick reply. How do I get rid of all the DSA keys I have? I am assuming that for myself, I just delete the keys in ~/.ssh where are the system keys? do I simply delete them once I find them? how do I generate a new system key, if necessary? thanks. Sorry to have so many questions, but I am really nervous about trusting security protocols I don't fully understand. I'm spending a lot of time in the man pages with this, but some stuff just isn't covered clearly. Roger From nick.shanks at virgin.net Thu Apr 5 10:27:07 2001 From: nick.shanks at virgin.net (Nicholas Shanks) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:38 2005 Subject: SSH2/SSH1 Agent Problems (ATTN: Scott Anguish) In-Reply-To: <200104051711.KAA10365@smtpout.mac.com> Message-ID: Roger Carlson said: >> Ssh-keygen -t rsa >> >> DSA is not recommended > > thanks a lot for the quick reply. > > How do I get rid of all the DSA keys I have? > > I am assuming that for myself, I just delete the keys in ~/.ssh > > where are the system keys? do I simply delete them once I find them? how > do I generate a new system key, if necessary? > > thanks. Sorry to have so many questions, but I am really nervous about > trusting security protocols I don't fully understand. I'm spending a lot > of time in the man pages with this, but some stuff just isn't covered > clearly. > > Roger I think this needs to be put up on StepWise, "Now I installed it, how the @%$! do I make it do stuff?" Nicholas Shanks -- Programming: http://nickshanks.com/mac/programming/ From frankg at overland.net Thu Apr 5 10:55:11 2001 From: frankg at overland.net (Frank Garcia) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:38 2005 Subject: fstab & rescue booting In-Reply-To: <200104051637.SAA07227@mayim.bresink.net> Message-ID: <774574862C.AAA135913@mailhost.overland.net> On Thursday, April 5, 2001, at 11:37 AM, Marcel Bresink wrote: >> sudo pico /etc/fstab >> created file with this in it: >> /dev/disk0s11 /usr hfs rw 1 2 > [...] > > But the sysadmin in me also wants to know what went wrong with moving > /usr > > to another partition. That ought to work, so there must be something > that I > > did wrong. > > This doesn't work because the "mount" command is a dynamically > linked program. Mount needs /usr/lib/dyld and > /usr/lib/libSystem.B.dylib to work. Hmmm... so / and /usr need to be on the same partition. Yuk. Maybe I'll just move /usr/local/. Or maybe just try pdisk. Seems like I used that once before when I was fooling with Linux/PPC on another machine. > > So without /usr, mount cannot mount /usr, and you have a > chicken-and-egg problem... That seems a little counter-intuitive, coming from RedHat & OpenBSD admin. I wouldn't think that anything under /usr would be required for boot. That's what /bin, /sbin, and /lib are for. My gut reaction to that is it's a Bad Thing... but maybe that's just knee-jerking. Someone undoubtedly had a good reason for doing that. > > I haven't tried that yet but it might be possible to boot from > the CD in single-user mode. I tried holding command-s while it booted from the CD, but that didn't work. Frank From sharding at dogcow.org Thu Apr 5 11:01:05 2001 From: sharding at dogcow.org (Sean Harding) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:38 2005 Subject: OpenSSH, SSH in general, & rsync In-Reply-To: <200104051642.JAA05091@smtpout.mac.com>; from rogerc@mac.com on Thu, Apr 05, 2001 at 09:42:37AM -0700 References: <200104051642.JAA05091@smtpout.mac.com> Message-ID: <20010405110009.B17431@dogcow.org> On Thu Apr 05 at 09:42:37 AM, Roger Carlson wrote: > I haven't used slogin yet, but I have used ssh successfully. I started slogin is the same thing as ssh. Type either. Doesn't matter. > > I also intend to run rsync over ssh after I can log in manually. Is all > > that > > is required just "rsync --rsh=ssh ", I assume this will not > > automatically > > authenticate. How do I do this? > > I need help here, too. I have made sftp work. > > Is a secure file transfer significantly slower than non secure? I want Sort of depends. Depends on how fast each system is, what type of encryption you're using and how fast the network is. If the network is fast and the systems are slow, the CPU time for doing the encryption could become a bottleneck. > Is setting up tcpwrappers necessary? do you just add a hosts.deny and > hosts.allow file? Again, it depends. tcp_wrappers is never a bad thing. It will only have an effect in two cases: 1. Services run through inetd and specifically configured to use tcpd in inetd.conf. This usually does not include ssh, as most people do not run sshd through inetd. 2. Services that are compiled to take advantage of tcp_wrappers on their own (with libwrap or something similar). I don't remember off hand whether or not OpenSSH supports tcp_wrappers. If it does, it's unlikely that it's turned on in the default compile. Assuming that tcp_wrappers is being used for the service, then adding things to hosts.allow and .deny is all that should be necessary. Remember that this can bring to light problems with reverse DNS that you may not have noticed before -- if reverse DNS fails or times out, it can make connections using tcp_wrappers take a long time or fail completely. As for using rsync over ssh, the authentication will be the same as doing a straight ssh/slogin. If you are able to do that without a password (via .shost, a key with a null passphrase, ssh-agent or something else), you'll be able to rsync without a password. If you need a password or passphrase for ssh, you'll need it for rsync over ssh. sean -- Sean Harding sharding@dogcow.org |"It's funny how you never know http://www.dogcow.org/sean/ | exactly when you're asked to grow." | --The Nields From joseph at ilm.com Thu Apr 5 11:10:38 2001 From: joseph at ilm.com (Joseph Goldstone) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:38 2005 Subject: snoop, or its equivalent, on OS X? Message-ID: <200104051809.LAA29869@malone.lucasdigital.com> Has anyone ported snoop, as it exists on Solaris or IRIX? Or can someone tell me what Darwin's equivalent tool would be? There's trsp and trpt in /usr/sbin, but they are after-the-fact log groveling tools attached to a particular socket. I'm looking for something that will give me all the packet headers going into and out of my host. In case it helps narrow down the possible replacements for snoop, here's the problem I'm trying to solve: - I have two Solaris 8 hosts, which we will call hostA and hostB. We'll say they have addresses a.b.c.1 and a.b.c.2, respectively. These are homedir servers. - Users do not directly mount volumes off of hostA and hostB, however. There are two additional IP addresses, let's say a.b.c.10 and a.b.c.20, to which DNS maps the names home1 and home2 respectively. Normally hostA has two interfaces configured, one on a.b.c.1 and another on a.b.c.10. Likewise hostB has two interfaces, one on a.b.c.2 and another on a.b.c.20. - Users have homedirs which are NFS mounts of directories on home1 or home2. The two Solaris boxes are configured for failover such that if hostA chokes, hostB will fire up another interface with address a.b.c.20. Thus hostB, while hostA is dead, will receive packets going to both home1 and home2. - OS X will not mount home2:/home2, but will mount hostB:/home2. This means the directories are accessible (good) but won't be visible during failover incidents (very bad). The mount of home2:/home2 just hangs. At least it's interruptible - I was able to c-C out. Eventually an 'nfs server home2:/home2: not responding' asynchronously shows up in the window from which I attempted the mount. - On an IRIX system I can use snoop to see what goes on when the IRIX system does a mount of home2:/home2. It's what you would expect: -- an RPC to home2's portmapper to get the appropriate port for a MOUNT request, and then -- another RPC to that port on home2 to do the actual MOUNT. Without snoop there is little I can deduce about why this mount attempt through the failover interface is hanging. There is nothing new in /var/log/system.log from the failed mount attempt. I'm going to see if I can debug this from the other end (over on the Solaris box) but if someone can point me at either a snoop port or an equivalent tool for sniffing, it would be a big help. Thanks. --joseph From sharding at dogcow.org Thu Apr 5 11:14:21 2001 From: sharding at dogcow.org (Sean Harding) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:38 2005 Subject: snoop, or its equivalent, on OS X? In-Reply-To: <200104051809.LAA29869@malone.lucasdigital.com>; from joseph@ilm.com on Thu, Apr 05, 2001 at 11:11:30AM -0700 References: <200104051809.LAA29869@malone.lucasdigital.com> Message-ID: <20010405111411.D17431@dogcow.org> On Thu Apr 05 at 11:11:30 AM, Joseph Goldstone wrote: > Has anyone ported snoop, as it exists on Solaris or IRIX? > > Or can someone tell me what Darwin's equivalent tool would be? There's Try tcpdump. If the system doesn't have it, take a look at http://www.tcpdump.org/ Or if you prefer a GUI, there's always ethereal (http://www.ethereal.com). sean -- Sean Harding sharding@dogcow.org | "Throw me to the velvet dogs http://www.dogcow.org/sean/ | of pop star history" | --Dar Williams From brent at baton.phys.lsu.edu Thu Apr 5 11:21:40 2001 From: brent at baton.phys.lsu.edu (Brent Neal) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:38 2005 Subject: SSH2/SSH1 Agent Problems In-Reply-To: <200104051711.KAA10365@smtpout.mac.com> References: <200104051711.KAA10365@smtpout.mac.com> Message-ID: >On Thursday, April 5, 2001, at 09:59 AM, Robert Brandtjen wrote: >> >>Ssh-keygen -t rsa >> >>DSA is not recommended > >thanks a lot for the quick reply. > >How do I get rid of all the DSA keys I have? > >I am assuming that for myself, I just delete the keys in ~/.ssh > >where are the system keys? do I simply delete them once I find them? >how do I generate a new system key, if necessary? > >thanks. Sorry to have so many questions, but I am really nervous >about trusting security protocols I don't fully understand. I'm >spending a lot of time in the man pages with this, but some stuff >just isn't covered clearly. > your host keys are either in /usr/local/etc or /etc. If you've used the startup Item from Stepwise, your system will automatically generate new host keys. Look at /System/Library/StartupItems/SSH/SSH for details. The issue of DSA vs. RSA is one that I have seen a lot of carping about, but I haven't seen a compelling reason *not* to use DSA keys with SSHv2. The problem with using public/private key authentication is beyond *any* cocked-up RSA vs. DSA flamewar: if your system is compromised, an attacker could use your private key to impersonate you. Because of this, we require SSHv2 to access our Beowulf-style cluster here, but do not allow public/private key access except on the inside of the gateway/firewall box. The way to be safe(r) is to toss out your keys occasionally and regenerate. The more often you do this, the safer you will be. If you are that concerned about being compromised, install a hardware firewall. It will take a *lot* of worry off your chest, and they are comparatively cheap: ~$100. HTH, Brent -- Brent Neal Concurrent Computing Laboratory for Materials Simulations Dept. of Physics - Dept. of Computer Science Louisiana State University From rogerc at mac.com Thu Apr 5 11:24:16 2001 From: rogerc at mac.com (Roger Carlson) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:38 2005 Subject: OpenSSH, SSH in general, & rsync In-Reply-To: <20010405110009.B17431@dogcow.org> Message-ID: <200104051823.LAA12596@smtpout.mac.com> On Thursday, April 5, 2001, at 11:00 AM, Sean Harding wrote: > 2. Services that are compiled to take advantage of tcp_wrappers on > their own > (with libwrap or something similar). I don't remember off hand > whether or > not OpenSSH supports tcp_wrappers. If it does, it's unlikely that > it's > turned on in the default compile. > It's not on by default, but the stepwise instructions do turn it on. From frankg at overland.net Thu Apr 5 11:29:35 2001 From: frankg at overland.net (Frank Garcia) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:38 2005 Subject: fstab & rescue booting In-Reply-To: Message-ID: on 4/5/01 9:06 AM, erik at techabos@classlibrary.net wrote: > i'm certainly not an expert, but it seems that tabs in this file are > important, not simply whitespace. I suggest to copy a line from one > of the fstab.* files and modify the entries. I did go ahead and try this by mounting my "new" OSX install under /mnt. And it worked -- I don't think the whitespace was as much of an issue as the fact that /usr is required for mount to work. But what's odd is that while the partition is under /mnt in the terminal, the Finder still shows it with its hfs volume name on the Desktop. The disconnect between the filesystem and the Finder is annoying. A "unix mode" for the Finder would be nice. But now I'm just grousing... :-) Frank From bobby at digitalcore.com Thu Apr 5 11:31:38 2001 From: bobby at digitalcore.com (bobby@digitalcore.com) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:38 2005 Subject: ssh mailing list, keys, (Re: OpenSSH, SSH in general, & rsync) Message-ID: there is a general SSH mailing list (ssh@clinet.fi) >To subscribe to the list, send a message containing the body "SUBSCRIBE SSH" to majordomo@clinet.fi. (from http://openssh.org/list.html) it has been a little screwy but there is much discussion about where to put your keys, etc. btw, for rsa authentication, 1. you need your local personal private key in the "authorized_keys" file on the remote machine 2. but the public key for the remote host goes in the local "known_hosts" file (with your permission, ssh will do this for you the first time you connect to any given host) someone already mentioned that the host keys are probably in /etc (or /usr/local/etc) you might try looking at all these *different* man pages: ssh ssh-add ssh-agent ssh-keygen sshd make-ssh-known-hosts -bobby --------------- d i g i t a l c o r e 550 bryant st. san francisco ca 94107 tel 415.977.1550 fax. 415.358.5858 www.digitalcore.com From f.knobloch at inis.de Thu Apr 5 11:37:15 2001 From: f.knobloch at inis.de (Frank Knobloch) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:38 2005 Subject: Services again Message-ID: Dear all, i just try to find out, why Services will not work, so i use Omniweb to try it out. Omniweb is installed under /Network/Applications/Internet/Browser If so, no service is avaiable. Moving Omniweb to /Applications services are avaiable e.g. in Terminal.app. Moving OW to /Network/Applications, services aren't avaiable? Under NeXT it works (i remember). /Network/Applications is linked against /Network/Servers/fileserver-001/NFSDisk1/Applications/Platforms/OS_X/Applications and it looks like a normal folder. As i seen in a Applescreenshot Applications can also look like the icon of Servers, but not on my system. Maybe that's a hint. Any ideas? Sincerely Frank From bobby at digitalcore.com Thu Apr 5 11:59:14 2001 From: bobby at digitalcore.com (bobby@digitalcore.com) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:38 2005 Subject: tcpdump (Re: snoop, or its equivalent, on OS X?) Message-ID: > Has anyone ported snoop, as it exists on Solaris or IRIX? > Or can someone tell me what Darwin's equivalent tool would be? definitely check out tcpdump. there are many options: % man tcpdump it's in /usr/sbin/tcpdump you have to su or sudo in order to run it -bobby p.s. /usr/sbin/netstat is also fun --------------- d i g i t a l c o r e 550 bryant st. san francisco ca 94107 tel 415.977.1550 fax. 415.358.5858 www.digitalcore.com From rob at prometheusmedia.com Thu Apr 5 12:00:50 2001 From: rob at prometheusmedia.com (Robert Brandtjen) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:38 2005 Subject: SSH2/SSH1 Agent Problems In-Reply-To: <200104051711.KAA10345@smtpout.mac.com> Message-ID: on 4/5/01 12:11 PM, Roger Carlson at rogerc@mac.com wrote: > > where are the system keys? do I simply delete them once I find them? how > do I generate a new system key, if necessary? The first time I installed it on osxs 1.0-2, it put the host keys in /etc. This time on osxs 1.2 it put them in /usr/local/etc. Upon install it makes an entire set of host keys, there is no reason to change these as it automatically generates new keys for the actual connections every 60 minutes ( I believe). To generate a new host key, cd to the directory they are in, as root, ssh-keygen -t ( you must do this for each type you want) then choose the no password option, make sure the permissions are read only on the public key and root access only on the host private key - it should do this automatically. Robert Brandtjen -------------------------------------- Web Site Creation and Hosting Services Hostmaster@prometheusmedia.com www.prometheusmedia.com From rob at prometheusmedia.com Thu Apr 5 12:14:12 2001 From: rob at prometheusmedia.com (Robert Brandtjen) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:38 2005 Subject: ssh mailing list, keys, (Re: OpenSSH, SSH in general, & rsync) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: on 4/5/01 1:30 PM, bobby@digitalcore.com at bobby@digitalcore.com wrote: > 1. you need your local personal private key in the "authorized_keys" file > on the remote machine > 2. but the public key for the remote host goes in the local "known_hosts" > file The remote machine only needs YOUR public key in your ~.ssh/authorized_keys2 directory - you should not have your private key anywhere not directly under your control. Robert Brandtjen -------------------------------------- Web Site Creation and Hosting Services Hostmaster@prometheusmedia.com www.prometheusmedia.com From lanceo at is.rice.edu Thu Apr 5 12:37:18 2001 From: lanceo at is.rice.edu (Lance Ogletree) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:38 2005 Subject: Customizing terminal Message-ID: <200104051937.OAA03904@is.rice.edu> Is there a way to customize the terminal app so that moving the cursor over to a term window hidden behind the front most one will allow me to type in it without selecting it and bringing it forward? __________________________________ Lance Ogletree Macintosh Systems Administrator New Media & Student Computing Rice University 6100 Main Street MS 119 Houston, TX 77005 (713) 348-4008 From eugene at anime.net Thu Apr 5 12:40:19 2001 From: eugene at anime.net (Eugene Lee) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:38 2005 Subject: PHP and HFS+ Message-ID: <20010405124131.E9480@anime.net> I know about the case-insensitive filesystem issue of HFS+ and the pear/PEAR directories required by PHP, and I know about the workarounds to --disable-pear. But I thought I read somewhere that this has been addressd in the latest CVS version. Any clarification is appreciated, thanks in advance. -- Eugene Lee eugene@anime.net From eugene at anime.net Thu Apr 5 12:47:41 2001 From: eugene at anime.net (Eugene Lee) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:38 2005 Subject: Customizing terminal In-Reply-To: <200104051937.OAA03904@is.rice.edu>; from lanceo@is.rice.edu on Thu, Apr 05, 2001 at 02:37:02PM -0500 References: <200104051937.OAA03904@is.rice.edu> Message-ID: <20010405124852.B11761@anime.net> On Thu, Apr 05, 2001 at 02:37:02PM -0500, Lance Ogletree wrote: : : Is there a way to customize the terminal app so that moving the cursor : over to a term window hidden behind the front most one will allow me to : type in it without selecting it and bringing it forward? No. Aqua does not use the focus-follows-mouse method. -- Eugene Lee eugene@anime.net From michael at hesta.com Thu Apr 5 13:19:51 2001 From: michael at hesta.com (michael@hesta.com) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:38 2005 Subject: Only one feedback on Office 98 vs 2001!? Message-ID: Only one feedback ~ it seemed to say OK. Any others for 2001? Problems etc.... From epeyton at epicware.com Thu Apr 5 13:24:09 2001 From: epeyton at epicware.com (Eric Peyton) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:38 2005 Subject: Customizing terminal In-Reply-To: <200104051937.OAA03904@is.rice.edu> Message-ID: No. Nor will there probably ever be. Mouse over activation is totally against the HI/UE ideals of Aqua IMNSHO. Eric On Thu, 5 Apr 2001, Lance Ogletree wrote: > Is there a way to customize the terminal app so that moving the cursor > over to a term window hidden behind the front most one will allow me to > type in it without selecting it and bringing it forward? > __________________________________ > > Lance Ogletree > Macintosh Systems Administrator > New Media & Student Computing > Rice University > 6100 Main Street MS 119 > Houston, TX 77005 > (713) 348-4008 > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-admin mailing list > MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin > -- Eric Peyton epeyton@epicware.com Software and Source for Mac OS X From johnslist at acad-comp.humboldt.edu Thu Apr 5 13:36:09 2001 From: johnslist at acad-comp.humboldt.edu (John R. Adorador) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:38 2005 Subject: Only one feedback on Office 98 vs 2001!? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: The only problem that I have had with office 2001 and Mac OS X is that sometimes the mouse cursor disappears when going back and forth between Mac OS X apps (such as IE 5.1 Public Preview) and Entourage. When the mouse cursor disappears, it makes it almost impossible to use Entourage. But if I switch back to an OS X app, everything is cool. The rest has been pretty solid. -John > Only one feedback ~ it seemed to say OK. > > Any others for 2001? Problems etc.... > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-admin mailing list > MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin > From prie at abl.com Thu Apr 5 14:14:34 2001 From: prie at abl.com (Paul Tod Rieger) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:38 2005 Subject: "losing my mind" ? References: Message-ID: <000901c0be15$5f47b720$0404a8c0@abl.com> "John O'Shea" wrote: > Have just had the weirdest thing happen & I'm not sure > whether I should be worried or not: As Robert Brandtjen pointed out, your OS X system has been rooted. > I noticed proftpd showing up in 'top' which is very weird as I haven't > installed it. It's too bad "the world's most advanced OS" doesn't come with a decent monitoring system, such as ippl, tcplogd/icmplogd, sniffit, or snort. 1) disconnect the machine from the network so it can't be used to compromise other machines 2) try to determine whether the exploit was local (a user with shell access) or remote (via portmap, apache, or other network services you were running); look in /var/log for clues. if you were running apache, check its logs for exploits run against your CGI/Perl/PHP scripts, and check if the main webpage was defaced. 3) reinstall OS X (do not back up anything); use different passwords 4) if it was a remote exploit, try to get behind a firewall 5) if it happens again, use a less advanced OS Tod abl.com From rogerc at mac.com Thu Apr 5 14:22:10 2001 From: rogerc at mac.com (Roger Carlson) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:38 2005 Subject: cubes ok as servers? In-Reply-To: <000901c0be15$5f47b720$0404a8c0@abl.com> Message-ID: <200104052121.OAA08625@smtpout.mac.com> I'm setting up a workgroup next week, and need to have about a dozen machines on all the time, processing video. We've been thinking g4 towers, but we're suddenly considering cubes - we don't particularly need anything in the tower's architecture. We will need to add bigger drives, 7200 rpm 80g 's Anybody had a problem with running cubes long duration, with bigger drives? any heat problems? they will be under reasonable climate control, but not in an ideally conditioned machine room. From bryanharris at mac.com Thu Apr 5 14:33:08 2001 From: bryanharris at mac.com (Bryan Harris) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:38 2005 Subject: "losing my mind" ? In-Reply-To: <000901c0be15$5f47b720$0404a8c0@abl.com> Message-ID: >> Have just had the weirdest thing happen & I'm not sure >> whether I should be worried or not: > > As Robert Brandtjen pointed out, your OS X system has been rooted. What does "rooted" mean? - B From shane at ethosmedia.com Thu Apr 5 14:40:09 2001 From: shane at ethosmedia.com (Shane Iseminger) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:38 2005 Subject: Apachectl In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Then did /usr/local/sbin/apachectl stop followed by start and got a "could > not bind to port 80 (already in use) error in the apache error log. > > I checked running processes and it was there running, could access the > server - but not the new VH I had added. Issued stop command again, it said > no such pid, and the start command gave same error "could not bind to port > 80" Do the following: ps aux | grep apache There should be one Apache process running as root, and a handful of other processes running as www or nobody. What can happen with Apache is that the root process may crash or otherwise die off, leaving the child processes running. Those child processes may work for a while but will eventually become confused and stop fulfilling requests. They're still using port 80. The apachectl script works but shutting down the root process, which is supposed to in turn shut down the others. This is why it says "no such pid". If this is the case, kill off all Apache processes manually and then do "apachectl start". I had this problem a while ago when I didn't have enough RAM in my server. It got to the point of dying about once a day. I added another 128MB and all has been well. I've also found that issuing an apachectl start very quickly after issuing the stop command can lead to funkiness (especially with 1.3.19) because Apache may not have fully exited when you try to start it back up. To avoid this, wait 5-10 seconds before starting again. It used to be that the apachectl restart command didn't work properly under MOSXS; I think they've fixed this now. My server restarts Apache once a day with the "restart" comand for log processing and it's not caused any problems. OTOH, my restart script used to call "stop", then "sleep 3", then "start", and when I upgraded to 1.3.19 I found that Apache didn't always come back up because of the problem I just described. Changing the command to "restart" seems to have solved it. HTH -- Shane From frankg at overland.net Thu Apr 5 14:40:22 2001 From: frankg at overland.net (Frank Garcia) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:38 2005 Subject: "losing my mind" ? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: on 4/5/01 4:31 PM, Bryan Harris at bryanharris@mac.com wrote: > > >>> Have just had the weirdest thing happen & I'm not sure >>> whether I should be worried or not: >> >> As Robert Brandtjen pointed out, your OS X system has been rooted. > > > What does "rooted" mean? An intruder has gained root privileges. Frank From eugene at anime.net Thu Apr 5 14:43:52 2001 From: eugene at anime.net (Eugene Lee) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:38 2005 Subject: PHP and HFS+ In-Reply-To: <20010405124131.E9480@anime.net>; from eugene@anime.net on Thu, Apr 05, 2001 at 12:41:31PM -0700 References: <20010405124131.E9480@anime.net> Message-ID: <20010405144507.I11761@anime.net> On Thu, Apr 05, 2001 at 12:41:31PM -0700, Eugene Lee wrote: : : I know about the case-insensitive filesystem issue of HFS+ and the : pear/PEAR directories required by PHP, and I know about the workarounds : to --disable-pear. But I thought I read somewhere that this has been : addressd in the latest CVS version. Any clarification is appreciated, : thanks in advance. Ne'ermind, it has been fixed in CVS. http://www.php.net/bugs.php?id=7635 -- Eugene Lee eugene@anime.net From cgerdes at iname.com Thu Apr 5 14:46:05 2001 From: cgerdes at iname.com (Christoph Gerdes) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:38 2005 Subject: courier imap Message-ID: <20010405234439.A1041@aeon.whm.tu-harburg.de> Hi, I am trying to install courier imap 1.3.7 on macosx. Compilation aborts with an error. It there a patch available? Thanks in advance. Christoph From cfasano at maplecity.com Thu Apr 5 14:48:42 2001 From: cfasano at maplecity.com (Catherine A. Fasano) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:38 2005 Subject: cubes ok as servers? In-Reply-To: <000901c0be15$5f47b720$0404a8c0@abl.com> Message-ID: <200104052148.QAA20341@dialup0.maplecity.com> Well, one thing to consider is that you are paying a premium for a quiet, fanless machine, and if it is constantly awake and accessing the disk then it isn't going to be quiet. On the other hand, the $1295 version of the cube with the extra 256MB of RAM everybody seems to be giving away would be nice -- especially if you are going to toss the hard drive in a drawer, then that will be a 20 gig drive that gets wasted instead of the 30-60 gig of a tower... cathy :-) > I'm setting up a workgroup next week, and need to have about a dozen > machines on all the time, processing video. We've been thinking g4 > towers, but we're suddenly considering cubes - we don't particularly > need anything in the tower's architecture. We will need to add bigger > drives, 7200 rpm 80g 's > > Anybody had a problem with running cubes long duration, with bigger > drives? any heat problems? they will be under reasonable climate > control, but not in an ideally conditioned machine room. From rob at prometheusmedia.com Thu Apr 5 14:49:16 2001 From: rob at prometheusmedia.com (Robert Brandtjen) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:38 2005 Subject: "losing my mind" ? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: on 4/5/01 4:31 PM, Bryan Harris at bryanharris@mac.com wrote: > What does "rooted" mean? Means: "all of your servers are belong to us" Means you have been hacked - the line comes from a poorly translated Japanese game wherein the evil aliens said to the poor earthlings: "all of your planets are belong to us" - or something like that - very funny, someone took the time to make a very humorous flash movie about it. Robert Brandtjen -------------------------------------- Web Site Creation and Hosting Services Hostmaster@prometheusmedia.com www.prometheusmedia.com From rob at prometheusmedia.com Thu Apr 5 14:50:22 2001 From: rob at prometheusmedia.com (Robert Brandtjen) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:38 2005 Subject: Apachectl In-Reply-To: Message-ID: on 4/5/01 4:40 PM, Shane Iseminger at shane@ethosmedia.com wrote: > Do the following: > > ps aux | grep apache > > There should be one Apache process running as root, and a handful of other > processes running as www or nobody. What can happen with Apache is that the > root process may crash or otherwise die off, leaving the child processes > running. Those child processes may work for a while but will eventually > become confused and stop fulfilling requests. They're still using port 80. > The apachectl script works but shutting down the root process, which is > supposed to in turn shut down the others. This is why it says "no such pid". Thanks - I found the problem - apachectl was trying to kill httpd.pid - which didn't exist, apache.pid did, so I fixed it up. Robert Brandtjen -------------------------------------- Web Site Creation and Hosting Services Hostmaster@prometheusmedia.com www.prometheusmedia.com From jhauser at usc.edu Thu Apr 5 14:50:49 2001 From: jhauser at usc.edu (Jeep Hauser) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:38 2005 Subject: SSH2/SSH1 Agent Problems In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 1:59 PM -0500 4/5/01, Robert Brandtjen wrote: >To generate a new host key, cd to the directory they are in, as root, >ssh-keygen -t ( you must do this for each type you want) then choose the no >password option, make sure the permissions are read only on the public key >and root access only on the host private key - it should do this >automatically. I was just going through this on my machine, and here's what MOSX 10.0 needs (of course, somewhat depends on if you manually built OpenSSH or used the pre-packaged one). su (or sudo, whatever) ssh-keygen -t rsa -f /etc/ssh_host_rsa_key That will create an SSH2 RSA key for the host. The pre-packaged OpenSSH does not create this key. You then have to double-check /etc/sshd_config and make sure there's this line: HostKey /etc/ssh_host_rsa_key With those in place (and a fresh kill -HUP), SSH2 with RSA keys should work. Jeep From janos.lobb at yale.edu Thu Apr 5 14:53:28 2001 From: janos.lobb at yale.edu (=?iso-8859-1?Q?J=E1nos_L=F6bb?=) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:38 2005 Subject: "losing my mind" ? In-Reply-To: <000901c0be15$5f47b720$0404a8c0@abl.com> Message-ID: <200104052152.RAA06021@pantheon-po01.its.yale.edu> On Thursday, April 5, 2001, at 05:14 PM, Paul Tod Rieger wrote: > "John O'Shea" wrote: > >> Have just had the weirdest thing happen & I'm not sure >> whether I should be worried or not: > > As Robert Brandtjen pointed out, your OS X system has been rooted. > I am not so sure about that. I saw that thing on a machine which has no network connection at all. No ethernet no dial-up, no satellite no LEO, no nothing. It is probably an Apple prank made on the Release Candidate CD. J?nos > >> I noticed proftpd showing up in 'top' which is very weird as I haven't >> installed it. > > It's too bad "the world's most advanced OS" doesn't come with a decent > monitoring system, such as ippl, tcplogd/icmplogd, sniffit, or snort. > > 1) disconnect the machine from the network so it can't be used to > compromise > other machines > > 2) try to determine whether the exploit was local (a user with shell > access) > or remote (via portmap, apache, or other network services you were > running); > look in /var/log for clues. > > if you were running apache, check its logs for exploits run against your > CGI/Perl/PHP scripts, and check if the main webpage was defaced. > > 3) reinstall OS X (do not back up anything); use different passwords > > 4) if it was a remote exploit, try to get behind a firewall > > 5) if it happens again, use a less advanced OS > > Tod > abl.com > > > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-admin mailing list > MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin > From jamesh at uts.cc.utexas.edu Thu Apr 5 14:57:53 2001 From: jamesh at uts.cc.utexas.edu (James Hammett) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:39 2005 Subject: Security Breakin (Was: Losing my mind) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 4:40 PM -0500 4/5/01, Frank Garcia wrote: >on 4/5/01 4:31 PM, Bryan Harris at bryanharris@mac.com wrote: > >> >> >>>> Have just had the weirdest thing happen & I'm not sure >>>> whether I should be worried or not: >>> >>> As Robert Brandtjen pointed out, your OS X system has been rooted. >> >> >> What does "rooted" mean? > >An intruder has gained root privileges. I've lost the original message (so I can't reply to the individual directly), but once you've secured you system backup, if you could, could you post a summary of how they got in and what they did once they got in. (i.e. installed trojans, create accts, created hidden directories, installed services, etc). Frequently these are done by script kiddies, once one breaks in somewhere they will do exactly the same thing somewhere else. (Same MO). thanks, James From rob at prometheusmedia.com Thu Apr 5 15:05:04 2001 From: rob at prometheusmedia.com (Robert Brandtjen) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:39 2005 Subject: "losing my mind" ? In-Reply-To: <200104052152.RAA06021@pantheon-po01.its.yale.edu> Message-ID: on 4/5/01 4:52 PM, J?nos L?bb at janos.lobb@yale.edu wrote: > I am not so sure about that. I saw that thing on a machine which has no > network connection at all. No ethernet no dial-up, no satellite no LEO, > no nothing. It is probably an Apple prank made on the Release Candidate > CD. > J?nos In that case- "all of your servers are belong to Steve" Robert Brandtjen -------------------------------------- Web Site Creation and Hosting Services Hostmaster@prometheusmedia.com www.prometheusmedia.com From rpeskin at rlpcon.com Thu Apr 5 15:21:38 2001 From: rpeskin at rlpcon.com (Richard Peskin) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:39 2005 Subject: IORegistry dump Message-ID: <200104052221.f35ML1L20949@mailgate0.sover.net> Apple has asked me to supply an IORegistry dump. (They are trying to track the bug associated with failure to see the second SCSI bus on ATTO cards.) The IORegistry Explorer (Dev Application) only dumps to the console. How can I redirect Console output stdio, i.e. my shell so I can redirect to a file? thanks, --dick peskin Richard L. Peskin, RLP Consulting, Londonderry, VT http://www.rlpcon.com http://www.caip.rutgers.edu/~peskin From nibs at mac.com Thu Apr 5 15:26:10 2001 From: nibs at mac.com (marquis logan) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:39 2005 Subject: "losing my mind" ? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200104052225.PAA18563@smtpout.mac.com> On Thursday, April 5, 2001, at 12:17 PM, John O'Shea wrote: > Doing a strings on sudo doesn't reveal anything like the messages above [cc800911-a:~] nibs% sudo strings /usr/bin/sudo Insult the user when they enter an incorrect password insults not that you probably didn't get rooted... From epeyton at epicware.com Thu Apr 5 15:26:29 2001 From: epeyton at epicware.com (Eric Peyton) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:39 2005 Subject: IORegistry dump In-Reply-To: <200104052221.f35ML1L20949@mailgate0.sover.net> Message-ID: Use the command line client ioreg. (Or use IORegistry Explorer to dump to console and then copy the info using Console.app and paste in to file.) trying to redirect console is probably not what you want to do. Eric On Thu, 5 Apr 2001, Richard Peskin wrote: > Apple has asked me to supply an IORegistry dump. (They are trying to > track the bug associated with failure to see the second SCSI bus on ATTO > cards.) The IORegistry Explorer (Dev Application) only dumps to the > console. How can I redirect Console output stdio, i.e. my shell so I can > redirect to a file? > thanks, > --dick peskin > > > > > Richard L. Peskin, RLP Consulting, Londonderry, VT > http://www.rlpcon.com > http://www.caip.rutgers.edu/~peskin > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-admin mailing list > MacOSX-admin@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin > -- Eric Peyton epeyton@epicware.com Software and Source for Mac OS X From rogerc at mac.com Thu Apr 5 15:29:13 2001 From: rogerc at mac.com (Roger Carlson) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:39 2005 Subject: cubes ok as servers? In-Reply-To: <200104052148.QAA20341@dialup0.maplecity.com> Message-ID: <200104052228.PAA19075@smtpout.mac.com> On Thursday, April 5, 2001, at 01:52 PM, Catherine A. Fasano wrote: > Well, one thing to consider is that you are paying a premium for a > quiet, fanless machine, and if it is constantly awake and accessing > the disk then it isn't going to be quiet. I'm not going to be in the room in any case. It's more a matter of space. 15 cubes sure fits onto rack shelves better than 15 towers, even with marathon' s help. Sure wish those boys would make a small rack mac with firewire. thanks, Roger From janos.lobb at yale.edu Thu Apr 5 15:31:41 2001 From: janos.lobb at yale.edu (=?iso-8859-1?Q?J=E1nos_L=F6bb?=) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:22:39 2005 Subject: