From ismail at kuwait.net Sat May 1 17:43:31 1999 From: ismail at kuwait.net (Ismail Tabtabai) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:05 2005 Subject: Identd post "make install" Message-ID: Hello, Could someone please help me out here. I am confused since the explanation in the INSTALL applies to single user mode on XServer. How can I add this service to NetInfo and have it running. There is already "auth" deamon, I think, using port 113/tcp. -- - Regards, Ismail GranSpecā„¢ Truth Seeker. ***** From penrose at sfc.keio.ac.jp Sat May 1 08:30:49 1999 From: penrose at sfc.keio.ac.jp (Christopher Penrose) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:05 2005 Subject: How to reformat UFS to HFS? In-Reply-To: <199905011517.IAA24607@ignem.omnigroup.com> Message-ID: >From: Craig E Rasmussen >Subject: Re: How to reformat UFS to HFS? >>Drive Setup says it can't modify a read only volume. Any suggestions? >>The search engine for the archive at omnigroup.com seems to be down. > >Have you tried booting from the CD and then trying to repartition? If >you tried repartition the root directory, I can see why any proper >unix os would complain. You may have to use pdisk manually and edit the type of the partition to the proper type for HFS+ (I am in the MacOS at the moment so I can't check for the type). Perhaps a list of types can be posted by someone attached to a WAN with MacOS X Server. From malcolm at saracen.plsys.co.uk Sat May 1 09:02:24 1999 From: malcolm at saracen.plsys.co.uk (mmalcolm crawford) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:05 2005 Subject: Installing Aps using telnet question(s) Message-ID: <199905011602.RAA01529@saracen.plsys.co.uk> Hugh asked: > To what folder should I FTP the ap on OSXs? > That depends on whether the app is solely for your own use, is local to that machine, or should be shared on a network. For yourself, put it in the Applications folder in your home directory. For the local machine, put it in /Local/Applications. For a network-wide installation, put it in /Network/Applications -- note that this directory may be mounted from another machine, and you may not have write access to it from clients, in which case you'll probably have to install it on the machine which exports the directory. > Will I be able to install the ap using telnet after su'ing to root? > You should be able to, noting the caveat about /Network/Applications above. If the application somes as a .pkg package use /usr/bin/installer.sh It will not be as easy as using the Installer application, however, particularly if there is an installation script which is run at the same time. If it's a tar-ed and compress-ed .app, then just uncompress and untar it. gnutar xzf TheApp.app.tar.gz > Any thoughts or insights on this procedure would be appreciated. > Generally, if the package is a self-contained .tar.gz file, this is entirely straightforward. If it's a .pkg it's a little more tricky, particularly if there are other Frameworks to be installed. mmalc. From gbh at middlemarch.net Sat May 1 17:52:47 1999 From: gbh at middlemarch.net (gbh@middlemarch.net) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:05 2005 Subject: dial-out solutions In-Reply-To: <5431817.3134481543@[203.57.42.199]> Message-ID: These routers may be the simplest but not the cheapest alternative. Cheaper would be to use a 386 box as a router which would cost between $25 to $50, some people give these away for free. Attach a modem and ethernet card, boot from a floppy router OS, and you have a router. Two OS's you can use are the Linux Router Project and PicoBSD. More info can be found at their websites. http://www.linuxrouter.org/ http://www.freebsd.org/~picobsd/picobsd.html --Greg > Without additional machines to route though, the cheapest, simplest > alternative is something like the 3com LanConnect. > > > > > From dcmarch at students.wisc.edu Sat May 1 19:15:49 1999 From: dcmarch at students.wisc.edu (Daniel March) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:06 2005 Subject: dial-out solutions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Another software router for the Mac OS is IPNetRouter. See www.sustworks.com for details. I would say that it is the easiest router to set up. Daniel March At 5:57 PM -0700 5/1/99, gbh@middlemarch.net wrote: >These routers may be the simplest but not the cheapest >alternative. Cheaper would be to use a 386 box as a >router which would cost between $25 to $50, some people >give these away for free. Attach a modem and ethernet >card, boot from a floppy router OS, and you have a router. >Two OS's you can use are the Linux Router Project and >PicoBSD. More info can be found at their websites. >http://www.linuxrouter.org/ >http://www.freebsd.org/~picobsd/picobsd.html > >--Greg > > >> Without additional machines to route though, the cheapest, simplest >> alternative is something like the 3com LanConnect. >> >> >> >> >> From sanguish at digifix.com Sat May 1 20:54:32 1999 From: sanguish at digifix.com (Scott Anguish) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:06 2005 Subject: Installing Aps using telnet question(s) In-Reply-To: <199905011602.RAA01529@saracen.plsys.co.uk> References: <199905011602.RAA01529@saracen.plsys.co.uk> Message-ID: <199905020354.XAA05083@digifix.com> mmalcolm crawford wrote: > > > Will I be able to install the ap using telnet after su'ing to root? > > > You should be able to, noting the caveat about /Network/Applications > above. > As I had emailed Hugh privately... there can be 'gotchas in this process. If an app depends on a post install UI (like WebObjects, where it asks for the key), it can be an issue. From crank at mail.ucf.edu Sat May 1 21:20:02 1999 From: crank at mail.ucf.edu (Chris Rank) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:06 2005 Subject: Apache root process dying (not because of blue box) Message-ID: your perl script sounds like a good hack for now would you like to share that with the rest of us to temporarally solve this really serious problem? I can't believe that Apple hasn't addressed this. This cannot be considered a serious OS with a bug this big and this outrageous. I put my ass on the line by going with X Server as our webserver here over NT. Now it looks as if Apple has screwed us all. Again. <<< John Ray 4/30 4:35p >>> > I have a serious problem with the webserver in MacOSX Server. It seems > that periodically, under even light traffic apache's root process just > dies. Sadly, I just realized that is was also happening to me today. I'm running Apache 1.3.6, and it seems to "hang" when the parent apache mysteriously dies. I now have a tiny perl script running each minute from /etc/crontab to check to see if the parent is dead, then kill and restart everything... but this isn't exactly an elegant solution. Hopefully it will keep things going until a real fix is found. --- John System Dev/Eng, The Ohio State University From rcfa at cubiculum.com Sat May 1 23:11:50 1999 From: rcfa at cubiculum.com (Ronald C.F. Antony) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:06 2005 Subject: Apache root process dying (not because of blue box) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <199905020611.CAA27226@kannix.cubiculum.com> you wrote: > your perl script sounds like a good hack for now would you like to share > that with the rest of us to temporarally solve this really serious > problem? I can't believe that Apple hasn't addressed this. This cannot > be considered a serious OS with a bug this big and this outrageous. I > put my ass on the line by going with X Server as our webserver here over > NT. Now it looks as if Apple has screwed us all. Again. I've been rather critical of Apple on more than one occasion when they deserve it, but I personally think this comment is out of line. For one, we don't know if this is really an OSXS problem or an Apache problem. It could as well be an issue of an odd combination of things. I have seen similar behavior with Apache 1.2.4 under OPENSTEP-MACH on occasion, which is significantly different from OSXS. In any case, for Apple to screw someone, it requires an INTENTION. Dropping OSXS-intel is screwing us. Having a bug in either the OS or in Apache is NOT screwing anybody, UNLESS you can show intent. And I seriously doubt any intent here. Compared with the number of bugs in various Win* environments, this seems to be a rather benign bug. Checking on occasion if a particular process is still alive is rather simple, and the rest follows. Of course it should be fixed, but to imply malicious intention is just out of place. Ronald ============================================================================== "The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man." G.B. Shaw | rcfa@cubiculum.com | NeXT-mail welcome From tjlists at bigfoot.com Sat May 1 20:45:29 1999 From: tjlists at bigfoot.com (Timothy J Luoma) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:06 2005 Subject: Installing Aps using telnet question(s) In-Reply-To: <199905020354.XAA05083@digifix.com> References: <199905020354.XAA05083@digifix.com> Message-ID: <199905020345.XAA29312@ocalhost> Replying to message of Sat, 1 May 1999 20:58:24 -0700 (PDT) from Scott Anguish regarding ``Re: Installing Aps using telnet question(s)'' > As I had emailed Hugh privately... there can be 'gotchas in this process. > > If an app depends on a post install UI (like WebObjects, where it > asks for the key), it can be an issue. Not to start a flame-war, but in the days of DPS and PublicWindowServer this was all that would be necessary: 1 telnet your.server.com 2 /NextAdmin/Installer.app/Installer -NXHost my.home.machine 3 there is no step 3 and voila, the Installer would pop open on 'my.home.machine' and I could install away.... NXHost was not just nifty, it was handy.... I hope it comes back somewhere somehow someday TjL From sanguish at digifix.com Sun May 2 01:08:22 1999 From: sanguish at digifix.com (Scott Anguish) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:06 2005 Subject: Apache root process dying (not because of blue box) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <199905020808.EAA05854@digifix.com> Chris Rank wrote: > This cannot > be considered a serious OS with a bug this big and this outrageous. What makes you think this is an OS bug and not an Apache bug? Have you considered trying to build a new copy of Apache from the source to see if this fixes the problem? Have you considered downgrading to 1.3.4 from 1.3.6? What modules are you running? Are you running anything odd as part of your apache config? or are you running any other things that could be a problem (I'm thinking along the lines of Server side includes). Are you seeing any errors in your logs? > I > put my ass on the line by going with X Server as our webserver here over > NT. Now it looks as if Apple has screwed us all. Again. > Uh huh.. From malcolm at saracen.plsys.co.uk Sun May 2 02:23:31 1999 From: malcolm at saracen.plsys.co.uk (mmalcolm crawford) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:06 2005 Subject: Installing Aps using telnet question(s) Message-ID: <199905020923.KAA03344@saracen.plsys.co.uk> TjL wrote: > Not to start a flame-war, but in the days of DPS and PublicWindowServer > this was all that would be necessary: > Fair comment, however (you knew there'd be a "however", didn't you :-) It may be the case that the machine one uses at home is not running MacOS X or NEXTSTEP, so the remote hosting won't work; or If you have a slow connection (a decreasingly common situation these days I guess, when just about everyone in the US seems to have T1s to their bedroom :-) the overhead of establishing the display link may be more than you want. If neither of these apply then -NSHost is an excellent solution. And yes, despite the above I hope it carries through to X client. Best wishes, mmalc. From nate at portents.com Sun May 2 07:56:40 1999 From: nate at portents.com (Nathan Raymond) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:06 2005 Subject: Best free incremental backup tools for a Travan 4GB? Message-ID: I have a Seagate CTT8000-S for tape backup, and I was wondering what the best backup tools (command line is fine) that work under MacOS X Server that would do an incremental backup? Thanks in advance for any suggestions! -- Nathan Raymond From dev at humph.com Sun May 2 09:10:05 1999 From: dev at humph.com (Giuliano Gavazzi (dev)) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:06 2005 Subject: Please report on: Apache root process dying In-Reply-To: <199905020808.EAA05854@digifix.com> Message-ID: At 9:10 am +0100 1999/05/02, Scott Anguish wrote: >Chris Rank wrote: >> This cannot >> be considered a serious OS with a bug this big and this outrageous. > > What makes you think this is an OS bug and not an Apache bug? > > Have you considered trying to build a new copy of Apache from the >source to see if this fixes the problem? > > Have you considered downgrading to 1.3.4 from 1.3.6? > > What modules are you running? > > Are you running anything odd as part of your apache config? or are >you running any other things that could be a problem (I'm thinking along the >lines of Server side includes). > > Are you seeing any errors in your logs? > Can I ask whoever has seen this problem if this is definitely the root process dying and not the children? What type of machine? Also how is apache built (in particular DSO support, which is not strictly supported for MacOSX). I am going to have a go at the apache distribution as soon as I can find a free hour but I need to know how to reproduce the problem. Thank you Giuliano H U M P H || ||| software development of: Java & C++ Client/Human Interface applications. Native Server applications on MacOS - Rhapsody - (Mk)Linux http://www.humph.com/ From jabi at ap.buffalo.edu Sun May 2 10:15:19 1999 From: jabi at ap.buffalo.edu (Wassim Jabi) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:06 2005 Subject: Fonts again Message-ID: <001f01be94bf$5b9924a0$6ee9cd80@hermes> Hi: It has been months since I got WebObjects for NT and now WebObjects 4 YB/CR1 for NT. I still cannot get my Adobe fonts for NEXTSTEP to work in YB Apps on NT. I don't undertsand why? I is very frustrating. I have tried almost everything. The afm files and the fonts look very similar in their structure to the included fonts. Yet, they don't work. If anyone has successfully installed Adobe fonts for NeXTs on YB/CR1 for NT, please e-mail me. If anyone else is facing the same problem, also e-mail me. Perhaps if many users have that problem, Apple would listen to us and provide a recipe for the solution. I paid dearly for those original Adobe fonts and I should be able to continue using them. Anyone from Apple willing to help out? I even got advice from an expert at Adobe that didn't work!!! Wassim Jabi, Assistant Professor Department of Architecture SUNY - University at Buffalo 3435 Main St. - Hayes Hall Buffalo, NY 14214-3087 USA Tel: +1 (716) 829-3483 Ext. 323 Fax: +1 (603) 484-2564 VoiceMail: +1 888-835-3268 Ext. 1350 E-Mail: wj@writeme.com or jabi@ap.buffalo.edu Virtual Office: http://www.webex.com/office/Wassim From ismail at kuwait.net Mon May 3 10:50:48 1999 From: ismail at kuwait.net (Ismail Tabtabai) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:06 2005 Subject: Having a NetInfo maste. Message-ID: Hello, I have created a new master when I installed the OS. I changed the ip along with the hostname. When I check the / domain in the NetInfo.app, master Property is assigned to localhost/local. At startup, I get what I used to get before having the machine as a master; a delay then have to hit 'c' to continue. When I go back to NetInfo.app after restart and try to creat master NetInfo.app on the machin, I get "Can't creat NetInfo master network/localhost" Error. When I choose "Servers ..." from the Domain Menu, I get my hostname with a bold 'M' at the end of it's row, whils localhost and broadcast host rows don't have any bold entries. I am assuming that the bold 'M' stands for Master. Can I get my localhost to run as the master, so it will not check for a NetIfno database other than itself and start normally? -- -- Regards, Ismail GranSpec(tm) Truth Seeker. ***** From jray at postoffice.ag.ohio-state.edu Sun May 2 11:48:22 1999 From: jray at postoffice.ag.ohio-state.edu (John Ray) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:06 2005 Subject: Apache root process dying [and a note to OmniGroup] Message-ID: While I wasn't the original poster of this thread message, I do have to say that this problem exists w/ Apache 1.3.4 as it ships out-of-the-box w/ OS X Server, and also w/ a freshly compiled 1.3.6. My problem is occurring on a 400mhz Blue & White G3, 256MB RAM, and whatever the Apple BTO SCSI card is. I've been using Apache under OpenStep for 4 years now, and it has not exhibited this behavior. The only changes made are uncommenting the "AddHandler" for cgi's, and the change of user directories from "Web Documents" to "public_html". I've made a point of keeping things as simple as possible as I migrate from out OpenStep machine to the new Mac. Since I've installed my "fix" for the problem, I've noticed that the problem has occurred once this weekend... during a test of my new installation of OmniGroup's Quake II port :) [And a side note here... *This is a VERY important issue, BTW* - I noticed that OmniGroup's announcement for Quake 3 says they have it working w/ 3dfx cards (or was I imagining that?). If this is the case, might I put in an extremely polite BEG for 3dfx support for the Quake 2 port? We have our new shiny G3 server w/ the 21" Apple studio display, and we have to do SOMETHING productive on it during non-peak access hours :) ] I'm not unhappy w/ OS X Server (as some people apparently are) - but this *does* seem to be a real phenomenon and, since Apple is providing *pay-for* support for Apache, it seems like it should be addressed. For those who are interested, here's the perl keeping things happy on my machine. No comments on its crappiness, please - I'd rewrite it to properly use perl signals for everything, but it works... so there... :) #!/usr/bin/perl use POSIX qw(:errno_h); open PID,"/Local/Library/WebServer/Logs/apache.pid"; $apache=; close (PID); chomp($apache); if (!(kill 0 => $apache)) { open RESTARTLOG,">> /var/log/fixapache.log"; $date=`date`; print RESTARTLOG "Apache restarted at $date"; close (RESTARTLOG); &killprocess("apache"); system("/usr/sbin/apachectl stop"); unlink ("/Local/Library/WebServer/Logs/apache.pid"); system("/usr/sbin/apachectl start"); } sub killprocess { my ($diediedie)=@_; my(@ps,$x); @ps=`ps ax`; chop(@ps); for ($x=0;$x<@ps;$x++) { if ($ps[$x]=~/^\s*([0-9]+).*[\s\/]$diediedie/) { `kill -9 $1`; } } } I just put in a crontab entry to run this every minute, and all seems to be well. -------- John Ray System Dev/Eng, OSUE, http://jray.ag.ohio-state.edu "Remember, there are no stupid questions, only stupid people." Mr. Garrison From theisen at akaMail.com Sun May 2 13:29:58 1999 From: theisen at akaMail.com (Dirk Theisen) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:06 2005 Subject: dial-out solutions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1dr6bd5.17f2j1418wnn5sM@ascend-tk-p131.rhrz.uni-bonn.de> Hi! > These routers may be the simplest but not the cheapest > alternative. Cheaper would be to use a 386 box as a > router which would cost between $25 to $50, some people > give these away for free. Attach a modem and ethernet > card, boot from a floppy router OS, and you have a router. > Two OS's you can use are the Linux Router Project and > PicoBSD. More info can be found at their websites. > http://www.linuxrouter.org/ > http://www.freebsd.org/~picobsd/picobsd.html Keep in mind that those boards typically cannot handle a "high speed" serial port. So you have to add a new FIFO or an additional IO-Card. I don't think it's worth the trouble. It's probably also worth to think about energy and so environmental savings... Regards, Dirk -- Buy a Pentium III now, get your personal Big Brother FREE!!! http://theisen.home.pages.de/ From gbh at middlemarch.net Sun May 2 15:07:04 1999 From: gbh at middlemarch.net (gbh@middlemarch.net) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:06 2005 Subject: dial-out solutions In-Reply-To: <1dr6bd5.17f2j1418wnn5sM@ascend-tk-p131.rhrz.uni-bonn.de> Message-ID: > > These routers may be the simplest but not the cheapest > > alternative. Cheaper would be to use a 386 box as a... > Keep in mind that those boards typically cannot handle a "high speed" > serial port. So you have to add a new FIFO or an additional IO-Card... Just use an internal modem and make sure that it has a 16550 UART and is not a Win-modem. Or use a 486, most of which have 16550 serial ports. Greg From jconway at macprosinc.com Sun May 2 17:52:27 1999 From: jconway at macprosinc.com (Jim Conway) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:06 2005 Subject: Apache root process dying Message-ID: John Ray wrote: >While I wasn't the original poster of this thread message, I do have to say >that this problem exists w/ Apache 1.3.4 as it ships out-of-the-box w/ OS X >Server, and also w/ a freshly compiled 1.3.6. > >My problem is occurring on a 400mhz Blue & White G3, 256MB RAM, and whatever >the Apple BTO SCSI card is. I just want to say that in the 2+ weeks I've been running Apache on OS X, it has yet to die on me even once. My last reboot was last Tuesday (Moved the server to my server closet finally). According to my logs I'm serving about 75 Megs/day down a T1 from just this machine. (I realize 3ish weeks isn't much of a data set, but I've been using OS X exclusivly to learn Apache, and except for a couple of reboots early on configing the machine it's been running 24/7) I have it installed on a G3 266 with 96 Megs of RAM on Ethernet 10bT. I'm using the Apache 1.3.4 as it ships with OS X, with only a couple of Config file mods. I did format the drive just for Apache (1 UFS volume) This thread has made me nervous, so I've been as thorough as I know in watching the processes, etc. Do we have any idea how widespread this problem is? Jim Conway PS thanks for the perl script JR - I'm gonna run it if the prob appears on my machine. From mjwise at kapu.net Sun May 2 18:54:32 1999 From: mjwise at kapu.net (Nai`a) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:06 2005 Subject: Apache root process dying In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sun, 2 May 1999, Jim Conway wrote: > >While I wasn't the original poster of this thread message, I do have to say > >that this problem exists w/ Apache 1.3.4 as it ships out-of-the-box w/ OS X > >Server, and also w/ a freshly compiled 1.3.6. So much for the thots I had about compiling 1.3.6, although that might still be an idea for me shortly. > >My problem is occurring on a 400mhz Blue & White G3, 256MB RAM, and whatever > >the Apple BTO SCSI card is. I'm using a 350MHz B&W w/ 64MB RAM and the 6GB ATA drive, broken into two partitions, 4GB for OSX and 2GB for HFS+. > I have it installed on a G3 266 with 96 Megs of RAM on Ethernet 10bT. I'm > using the Apache 1.3.4 as it ships with OS X, with only a couple of Config > file mods. I did format the drive just for Apache (1 UFS volume) Did you config it to serve user directories ("~username") ? > This thread has made me nervous, so I've been as thorough as I know in > watching the processes, etc. My guess is, if you haven't seen it yet, you probably won't. Has anyone seen this problem who is *NOT* running a B&W G3? It just happended for my box, and I hadn't gone into the BlueBox since I last checked on the apache process last night. Oh yes, someone wanted to see this (formatted a bit). I noticed that the apache server root process had died, so went root, killed off all the children (felt a bit like Herod, but), and restarted Apache inside gdb and ran it with the -X option. Here is the (lack of) result: ----- # gdb /usr/sbin/apache [snip] Reading symbols from "/usr/sbin/apache"...(no debugging symbols found)...done. Reading symbols from "/usr/lib/dyld" at 0x41100000 (offset 0x0) with prefix "dyld_"...(no debugging symbols found)...done Reading symbols from "/System/Library/Frameworks/System.framework/Versions/B/System" at 0x41300000 (offset 0x0)...(no debugging symbols found)...done (gdb) run -X Starting program: /usr/sbin/apache -X [Switching to process 4463 thread 0x1400] warning: next_mach_start_dyld: failed to start inferior dyld_debug thread: general failure (3) ----- Aloha mai Nai`a... (who REALLY wishes Terminal.app didn't include ^J when it pasted) ! -- "Please have your Internet License http://kapu.net/~mjwise/ and Usenet Registration handy..." From mjwise at kapu.net Sun May 2 19:25:06 1999 From: mjwise at kapu.net (Nai`a) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:06 2005 Subject: Apache root process dying In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sun, 2 May 1999, it was written: > # gdb /usr/sbin/apache > [snip] > Reading symbols from "/usr/sbin/apache"...(no debugging symbols found)...done. > Reading symbols from "/usr/lib/dyld" at 0x41100000 (offset 0x0) with prefix "dyld_"...(no debugging symbols found)...done > Reading symbols from "/System/Library/Frameworks/System.framework/Versions/B/System" at 0x41300000 (offset 0x0)...(no debugging symbols found)...done > > (gdb) run -X > Starting program: /usr/sbin/apache -X > [Switching to process 4463 thread 0x1400] > warning: next_mach_start_dyld: failed to start inferior dyld_debug thread: general failure (3) Tried it again, got a whole ton of output, and this time it seems to be working, just glacially slowly, and ... it didn't crash to my standard demonstration behaviour (BlueBox, run Netscape, surf locally). Aloha mai Nai`a (who isn't gonna paste the results in because of the ^J thang really upsetting PINE so) ! -- "Please have your Internet License http://kapu.net/~mjwise/ and Usenet Registration handy..." From chongt at bah.com Sun May 2 19:46:17 1999 From: chongt at bah.com (Chong Tim) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:06 2005 Subject: Help: Can't login to Workspace Manager as myself! References: Message-ID: <372D0DF9.278F31C6@bah.com> Help! Something happened to my MacOS X server... now, I can't login to the server as my own userid (ok with root)---whenever I login as myself, I will be logout. Anyway I debug the start process and solve this problem? Or I have to recreate my user account? Thanks in advance, TC From chongt at bah.com Sun May 2 20:15:26 1999 From: chongt at bah.com (Chong Tim) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:06 2005 Subject: Help: Can't login to Workspace Manager as myself! References: <372D0DF9.278F31C6@bah.com> Message-ID: <372D14CE.587D6D50@bah.com> I solved my problem: it's a corrupted file: Workspace.defaults. Solution: remove/rename the corrupted file in /Local/Users/userid/.OpenStep/UserDefaults2/ TC -- Tim S.H. Chong CSE/Singapore, CS&T-BA&H MIME | ASCII | NeXTmail OK! GSM +65-9672-2153 (My Time Zone: GMT+8) Cogita differenter! Chong Tim wrote: > Help! Something happened to my MacOS X server... now, I can't login to the server as my own userid > (ok with root)---whenever I login as myself, I will be logout. Anyway I debug the start process and > solve this problem? Or I > have to recreate my user account? > > Thanks in advance, > > TC From jconway at macprosinc.com Sun May 2 21:13:09 1999 From: jconway at macprosinc.com (Jim Conway) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:06 2005 Subject: Apache root process dying Message-ID: I was asked: >Did you config it to serve user directories ("~username") ? in reference to my OS X server that Apache has not _yet_ died on. :-) No, there are no redirects or virtual hosts. Jim Conway From mjwise at kapu.net Sun May 2 23:30:04 1999 From: mjwise at kapu.net (Nai`a) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:06 2005 Subject: Apache root process dying In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sun, 2 May 1999, Jim Conway wrote: > I was asked: > > Did you config it to serve user directories ("~username") ? > in reference to my OS X server that Apache has not _yet_ died on. :-) > No, there are no redirects or virtual hosts. But... you didn't actually answer the question. I'll pose it another way: Do you have the following line uncommented in your apache.conf file? UserDir "public_html" Or something similar? Or is it still commented out? And what kind of hardware are you running? B&W or older G3? Aloha mai Nai`a! -- "Please have your Internet License http://kapu.net/~mjwise/ and Usenet Registration handy..." From mjwise at kapu.net Sun May 2 23:38:53 1999 From: mjwise at kapu.net (Nai`a) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:06 2005 Subject: Apache root process dying (not because of blue box) In-Reply-To: <199905020808.EAA05854@digifix.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 2 May 1999, Scott Anguish wrote: > What makes you think this is an OS bug and not an Apache bug? We're running 1.3.3 at work, and ... it doesn't manifest this behaviour. BSDI 3.1 running on a Pentuim 200Mhz with 300+MB, 60+ simultaneous users, handling email for 10,000 users, DNS for hundreds of web-sites... Stuff like that. > Have you considered trying to build a new copy of Apache from the > source to see if this fixes the problem? I've heard that 1.3.6 manifests the same problem. > Have you considered downgrading to 1.3.4 from 1.3.6? v1.3.4 has the same problem, which is why some people tried going to 1.3.6. > What modules are you running? Can't speak for the others, but I haven't changed any of the defaults from the original conf file, with the exception of enabling user directories, and turning the warning level all the way down to catch any possible hint in the logs. Nada. > Are you running anything odd as part of your apache config? or are > you running any other things that could be a problem (I'm thinking along the > lines of Server side includes). Again, for me, no, nothing. I am running qpopper 2.5.3 from Eudora, but. > Are you seeing any errors in your logs? Nothing. Not in the apache logs, error logs, system.log, /var/tmp/console.log (Which sez Hera109, BTW), nothing. Aloha mai Nai`a (open to suggestions) . -- "Please have your Internet License http://kapu.net/~mjwise/ and Usenet Registration handy..." From sanguish at digifix.com Sun May 2 23:46:27 1999 From: sanguish at digifix.com (Scott Anguish) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:06 2005 Subject: Apache root process dying (not because of blue box) In-Reply-To: <199905020808.EAA05854@digifix.com> Message-ID: <199905030643.CAA08527@digifix.com> > On Sun, 2 May 1999, Scott Anguish wrote: > > > What makes you think this is an OS bug and not an Apache bug? > > We're running 1.3.3 at work, and ... it doesn't manifest this behaviour. > BSDI 3.1 running on a Pentuim 200Mhz with 300+MB, 60+ simultaneous users, > handling email for 10,000 users, DNS for hundreds of web-sites... > > Stuff like that. > Well, alot of that isn't Apache.. :-) And it doesn't mean that there may not need to be a tweak to the code for OSXS.. > > What modules are you running? > > Can't speak for the others, but I haven't changed any of the defaults from > the original conf file, with the exception of enabling user directories, > and turning the warning level all the way down to catch any possible hint > in the logs. > > Nada. > > > Are you running anything odd as part of your apache config? or are > > you running any other things that could be a problem (I'm thinking along the > > lines of Server side includes). > > Again, for me, no, nothing. > Have you enabled Server Side Includes in the apache config? Maybe we should get the config from someone not having problems VS someone who is and do a comparision.. Also (I think you may have asked this) which hardware are you running? Which patch on OSXS? -- Scott Anguish Middlebury College - Center for Education Technology Stepwise Server - Mac OS X Server Information From mjwise at kapu.net Sun May 2 23:54:11 1999 From: mjwise at kapu.net (Nai`a) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:06 2005 Subject: Please report on: Apache root process dying In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sun, 2 May 1999, Giuliano Gavazzi (dev) wrote: > Can I ask whoever has seen this problem if this is definitely the root > process dying and not the children? It is the root process dying, and not the children. The process whos PID is stored in /Local/Library/WebServer/Logs/apache.pid is the one that dies. The one that is owned by root, whereas the others are owned by user "www" according to the "ps -aux" command. *THAT* one. > What type of machine? Apple Blue&White G3, 350 MHz, 64MB of RAM, 4GB MacOSXS partition, 2GB HFS+ partition. > Also how is apache built... According to the way it came from the CD-ROM. > (in particular DSO support, which is not strictly supported for MacOSX). Sorry, what is DSO support? > I am going to have a go at the apache distribution as soon as > I can find a free hour but I need to know how to reproduce the problem. On my system, log in, start up terminal and: ps -aux | grep apache Note the root process. Now, start up the BlueBox, and then fire up a browser, and surf to the local machine. I do that by having the home- > > page set to a user-directory on my server as follows: http://kapu.net/~mjwise/ Page comes up. Go back to the YB and do the ps -aux over again, and the root process will be gone. I'll try it now. Yup. Here's the results: (G0D D&MN F$CK!NG ^J being treated as a reformat! Why does it NOT do that with NiftyTelnet, but insists on doing it in NCSA and Terminal.app???) Sorry, I give up. You don't get the debug output. Let's just say that it took me 90 seconds to crash the server, and leave it at that. Death on Cue. Every time. Repeatable. Aloha mai Nai`a. -- "Please have your Internet License http://kapu.net/~mjwise/ and Usenet Registration handy..." From mjwise at kapu.net Sun May 2 23:59:10 1999 From: mjwise at kapu.net (Nai`a) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:06 2005 Subject: Apache root process dying (not because of blue box) In-Reply-To: <199905030643.CAA08527@digifix.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 2 May 1999, Scott Anguish wrote: > Well, alot of that isn't Apache.. :-) I know. I was giving a sense of the load on the server, and that it was peanuts compared to what I am asking of my machine. And if there was a history of this kind of behaviour with Apache, we'd DEFINATELY know about it. > And it doesn't mean that there may not need to be a tweak > to the code for OSXS.. Any ideas where to tweak? (8-) > Have you enabled Server Side Includes in the apache config? Not to the best of my knowledge. Why? Is that the "includes_module"? If so, then I have not DISabled it, and it shipped by default. I haven't bought the Apache book from O`Reilly yet, how would I know if it's enabled or no? > Also (I think you may have asked this) which hardware are > you running? Which patch on OSXS? 1.01, grabbed the patch as soon as it was made available, including the patch for QTSS, which I even tried to disable to see if there was some sort of inteaction there. Nope. Aloha mai Nai`a! -- "Please have your Internet License http://kapu.net/~mjwise/ and Usenet Registration handy..." From mjwise at kapu.net Mon May 3 00:02:50 1999 From: mjwise at kapu.net (Nai`a) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:06 2005 Subject: Apache root process dying [and a note to OmniGroup] In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sun, 2 May 1999, John Ray wrote: > The only changes made ... and the > change of user directories from "Web Documents" to "public_html". Me Too! Aloha mai Nai`a. -- "Please have your Internet License http://kapu.net/~mjwise/ and Usenet Registration handy..." From amlai at columbia.edu Mon May 3 03:04:49 1999 From: amlai at columbia.edu (Albert Max Lai) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:06 2005 Subject: automount + /Network/Servers Message-ID: <14125.29889.765971.228828@konichiwa.cc.columbia.edu> Does anyone know how to make automount read from /etc/fstab? The man page seems to imply that it can. Specifically, I'm trying to make it mount an nfs filesystem in /Network/Servers/ as /Network/Servers/hostname. Any information on this would be great! Thanks in advance! -- Albert Lai 1018D East Campus Residential Computer Consultant 411 W. 116th St. Columbia University New York, NY 10027 http://www.columbia.edu/~aml61 (212)853-4854 From bartosh at apple.tamu.edu Mon May 3 03:18:48 1999 From: bartosh at apple.tamu.edu (bartosh@apple.tamu.edu) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:06 2005 Subject: Please report on: Apache root process dying In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I just repeated this several times.... No problem here (on an iMac. On Sun, 2 May 1999 server@omnigroup.com wrote: > On Sun, 2 May 1999, Giuliano Gavazzi (dev) wrote: > > > Can I ask whoever has seen this problem if this is definitely the root > > process dying and not the children? > > It is the root process dying, and not the children. > The process whos PID is stored in /Local/Library/WebServer/Logs/apache.pid > is the one that dies. The one that is owned by root, whereas the others > are owned by user "www" according to the "ps -aux" command. > > *THAT* one. > > > What type of machine? > > Apple Blue&White G3, 350 MHz, 64MB of RAM, 4GB MacOSXS partition, 2GB HFS+ > partition. > > > Also how is apache built... > > According to the way it came from the CD-ROM. > > > (in particular DSO support, which is not strictly supported for MacOSX). > > Sorry, what is DSO support? > > > I am going to have a go at the apache distribution as soon as > > I can find a free hour but I need to know how to reproduce the problem. > > On my system, log in, start up terminal and: > > ps -aux | grep apache > > Note the root process. Now, start up the BlueBox, and then fire up a > browser, and surf to the local machine. I do that by having the home- > > > > > page set to a user-directory on my server as follows: > > http://kapu.net/~mjwise/ > > Page comes up. Go back to the YB and do the ps -aux over again, and the > root process will be gone. I'll try it now. Yup. Here's the results: > (G0D D&MN F$CK!NG ^J being treated as a reformat! Why does it NOT do that > with NiftyTelnet, but insists on doing it in NCSA and Terminal.app???) > > Sorry, I give up. You don't get the debug output. Let's just say that it > took me 90 seconds to crash the server, and leave it at that. Death on > Cue. Every time. Repeatable. > > Aloha mai Nai`a. > -- > "Please have your Internet License http://kapu.net/~mjwise/ > and Usenet Registration handy..." > > > From rcerny at dlt.cz Mon May 3 04:46:22 1999 From: rcerny at dlt.cz (Robert Cerny) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:06 2005 Subject: Appleshare filesharing Message-ID: <199905031054.MAA14320@linux.dlt.in> hi, I mean that this issue should be in admin list rather than talk. I have MOSXS on one of two partions on my internal IDE drive. I created some users in Network Manager and using remote admin too. The problem is that I can create share points on my second (HFS) partition but I can't connect to server using Chooser. I have tried many users with many rights including root, but everytime I see the whole Mac HD disk and not only sharepoint and the name is gray (disabled). When I double-click the name, I get error message: "You don't have correct access privileges" Can anyone help? Robert -- Robert Cerny ************************** Robert Cerny DataLine Technology Ltd. Ceskomoravska 15 190 00 Prague 9 Czech Republic mailto:rcerny@dlt.cz http://www.dlt.cz ICQ: 24277867 PGP public keyID: 0x869BE348 From junior at nwc.com Mon May 3 07:54:30 1999 From: junior at nwc.com (Robert J. Kohlhepp) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:06 2005 Subject: Appleshare filesharing In-Reply-To: <199905031054.MAA14320@linux.dlt.in> Message-ID: AppleShare volumes must be on HFS+ volumes. if you are using standard HFS, that is your problem. If you just mis-typed and you are using HFS+, then it is a rights issue and you need to share the disk and give yourself access to the volume (Web Admin). Rob >hi, >I mean that this issue should be in admin list rather than talk. I have >MOSXS on one of two partions on my internal IDE drive. I created some users >in Network Manager and using remote admin too. The problem is that I can >create share points on my second (HFS) partition but I can't connect to >server using Chooser. I have tried many users with many rights including >root, but everytime I see the whole Mac HD disk and not only sharepoint and >the name is gray (disabled). When I double-click the name, I get error >message: "You don't have correct access privileges" > >Can anyone help? > >Robert >-- >Robert Cerny >************************** >Robert Cerny >DataLine Technology Ltd. >Ceskomoravska 15 >190 00 Prague 9 >Czech Republic >mailto:rcerny@dlt.cz >http://www.dlt.cz >ICQ: 24277867 >PGP public keyID: 0x869BE348 From rsims at au304a.mckenna.edu Mon May 3 08:44:09 1999 From: rsims at au304a.mckenna.edu (Rayford Sims) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:06 2005 Subject: automount + /Network/Servers Message-ID: <199905031434.HAA29212@SpeedZone.McKenna.edu> What does your fstab entry look like. If it is correct automount should mount it when you do an ls in that directory, or when you try to access that dir. I believe that automount is already configured to read from fstab and there is no special thing that you have to do except edit your fstab and restart automount. Regards, Rayford Sims > From: Albert Max Lai > Date: 1999-05-03 01:56:31 -0700 > Does anyone know how to make automount read from /etc/fstab? The man > page seems to imply that it can. Specifically, I'm trying to make it > mount an nfs filesystem in /Network/Servers/ as > /Network/Servers/hostname. Any information on this would be great! > Thanks in advance! > > -- > Albert Lai 1018D East Campus > Residential Computer Consultant 411 W. 116th St. > Columbia University New York, NY 10027 > http://www.columbia.edu/~aml61 (212)853-4854 > > From AitkenA at cbs.curtin.edu.au Mon May 3 08:59:33 1999 From: AitkenA at cbs.curtin.edu.au (Ashley Aitken) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:06 2005 Subject: New MacOS X Server user questions? Message-ID: Howdy All, MacOS X Server has finally arrived and installation is moving along smoothly. Just a couple of questions, if I may: 1. What's the story with only being able to have ONE Mac OS X Server (UFS) partition per disk? Will UFS eventually go away and be replaced by HFS Extended as the standard format? Should I move all my Unix files to HFS Extended? NB I would prefer to have a separate partitions for Mac OS X Server (system software), Mac OS X Server applications, and Mac OS X Server files (eg home dirs etc). This seems not to be possible with the one UFS limit. Everything OS X Server goes on one partition? 2. Whenever I go back to MacOS and then return to MacOS X Server the screen resolution returns to some default setting (something like 600x480) from my chosen setting (something like 1200x780). NB When MacOS boots anyway, it always reset the screen (one blink) to the default resolution then starts up some, and then finally sets the screen to my chosen setting (another blink). This is not too elegant in my books. 3. When installing WebObjects and the development tools - the installer noted that some of the files already existed. Should I have overwritten those or not? I won't tell you what I did for fear of recrimination :-) Well, that's a starter. Any assistance most appreciated. Cheers, Ashley Aitken. A.Aitken@Curtin.Edu.Au From herren at flannet.middlebury.edu Mon May 3 11:20:56 1999 From: herren at flannet.middlebury.edu (David Herren) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:06 2005 Subject: New MacOS X Server user questions? References: Message-ID: AitkenA@cbs.curtin.edu.au writes: >2. Whenever I go back to MacOS and then return to MacOS X Server the screen resolution returns to some default setting (something like 600x480) from my chosen setting (something like 1200x780). >NB When MacOS boots anyway, it always reset the screen (one blink) to the default resolution then starts up some, and then finally sets the screen to my chosen setting (another blink). This is not too elegant in my books. >3. When installing WebObjects and the development tools - the installer noted that some of the files already existed. Should I have overwritten those or not? I won't tell you what I did for fear of recrimination :-) >Well, that's a starter. Any assistance most appreciated. I'll take a stab at the video question. The MacOS gets alot of information about the screen through ADB when using apple monitors, or later versions, through USB. MacOSX doesn't know anything about this. Some third party monitors don't provide information to either OS as to their resolution capabilities, so MacOSX defaults to VGA. In a lab of machines, with 5 different monitor types (not ideal, I know) we see this behavior occasionally. The solution was to insert one of those little dip switch things which correctly informs the Apple hardware as to the capabilities of the monitor attached, and the problem has gone away. -- David D. Herren www.cet.middlebury.edu/herren Assoc. Dir. for Tech. & Instruction herren@flannet.middlebury.edu Center for Educational Technology voice: (802)443-5746 5 Court Street, Middlebury, VT 05753 fax: (802)443-2053 From mjwise at kapu.net Mon May 3 10:44:42 1999 From: mjwise at kapu.net (Nai`a) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:06 2005 Subject: New MacOS X Server user questions? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 3 May 1999, Ashley Aitken wrote: > 1. What's the story with only being able to have ONE Mac OS X Server > (UFS) partition per disk? Not sure, but.... > Will UFS eventually go away and be replaced by HFS Extended as the > standard format? Should I move all my Unix files to HFS Extended? No, and *YEA GODS NO*! There is information about each file that currently cannot be stored in the HFS format, and my guess is never will be, such as file permissions and ownership. Don't store any Unix style files on the HFS(+) partition, as the kind of security holes this will create if your system is anywhere near the Internet are too horrible to contemplate. > NB I would prefer to have a separate partitions for Mac OS X Server > (system software), Mac OS X Server applications, and Mac OS X Server > files (eg home dirs etc). This seems not to be possible with the one > UFS limit. Everything OS X Server goes on one partition? Agreed, this traditional Unix layout makes alot of sense, but currently the only way to impliment it would be with physically separate disks, it would seem. Aloha mai Nai`a! -- "Please have your Internet License http://kapu.net/~mjwise/ and Usenet Registration handy..." From robnewberry at grouplogic.com Mon May 3 10:09:10 1999 From: robnewberry at grouplogic.com (Rob Newberry) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:06 2005 Subject: New MacOS X Server user questions? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > > Will UFS eventually go away and be replaced by HFS Extended as the > > standard format? Should I move all my Unix files to HFS Extended? > > No, and *YEA GODS NO*! > > There is information about each file that currently cannot be stored in > the HFS format, and my guess is never will be, such as file permissions > and ownership. Don't store any Unix style files on the HFS(+) partition, > as the kind of security holes this will create if your system is anywhere > near the Internet are too horrible to contemplate. This is not true for HFS+ (it is true for HFS). HFS+ DOES support storing all the information that UNIX needs, including permissions. There's no security issue because that kind of enforcement is done ABOVE this particular layer. As long as the file system supports what UNIX needs, which HFS+ does, it shouldn't really create any new security problems. My understanding is that it WILL eventually be possible to run your system entirely on an HFS+ volume, and it will work just fine, with no security considerations whatsoever. Rob --------------------------------------------------------------------- Rob Newberry Director of Fajita Technology Group Logic, Inc. From mjwise at kapu.net Mon May 3 11:16:55 1999 From: mjwise at kapu.net (Nai`a) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:06 2005 Subject: New MacOS X Server user questions? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 3 May 1999, Rob Newberry wrote: > This is not true for HFS+ (it is true for HFS). Okay, just tested it, and that appears to be true, but the BlueBox doesn't tell me that there's anything wrong immediately, just shows me nothing in the folder. Does it handle large filenames (>32 char) as well? > HFS+ DOES support storing all the information that UNIX needs, including > permissions. There's no security issue because that kind of enforcement > is done ABOVE this particular layer. As long as the file system supports > what UNIX needs, which HFS+ does, it shouldn't really create any new > security problems. Can the security be gotten around if you have access to the BlueBox? I haven't tested that extensively, but if the security is "above" a given layer, and the two implimentations of that security don't match, I get real uneasy. > My understanding is that it WILL eventually be possible to run your system > entirely on an HFS+ volume, and it will work just fine, with no security > considerations whatsoever. Will the UFS go away, or... Which, in the minds of Apple, will ultimately prevail as the preferred default? Can you boot MacOS XS from an HFS+ partition? Will you ever be able to? Aloha mai Nai`a! -- "Please have your Internet License http://kapu.net/~mjwise/ and Usenet Registration handy..." From cmcquinn at math.purdue.edu Mon May 3 11:29:12 1999 From: cmcquinn at math.purdue.edu (Chad J McQuinn) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:06 2005 Subject: New MacOS X Server user questions? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: >Okay, just tested it, and that appears to be true, but the BlueBox doesn't >tell me that there's anything wrong immediately, just shows me nothing in >the folder. Does it handle large filenames (>32 char) as well? HFS+ supports pretty much everything, including long (255 character) filenames and unicode. There isn't MacOS finder-level support for most of it yet, though. Remember that by the time HFS+ becomes the default, the bluebox as it exists today will be no more. >Can the security be gotten around if you have access to the BlueBox? I >haven't tested that extensively, but if the security is "above" a given >layer, and the two implimentations of that security don't match, I get >real uneasy. See above. We'll have to wait for more information from Apple, hopefully next week, about exactly how legacy mac programs will behave in the transparent bluebox of OS X, but with any luck they will no longer be setuid root, as the bluebox currently is, so they just plain couldn't get access to files the user doesn't have permission for. Under the current bluebox implementation, special access to HFS+ volumes is granted, and is surely necessary without further revisions to the MacOS--which don't make sense, given that bluebox is on its last legs. >Will the UFS go away, or... Which, in the minds of Apple, will ultimately >prevail as the preferred default? Can you boot MacOS XS from an HFS+ >partition? Will you ever be able to? Booting probalby isn't possible at this time--I don't know that anyone's tried it. Apple's current (based on past statements) position is that HFS+ will eventually be the default filesystem, but they've never really said to my knowledge if UFS will be gone or not. HFS+ will definitely be required for the resource forks, etc. of legacy Mac programs, unless they're going to require some sort of binary encoding for those programs to work under OS X. -Chad From khan at tv.mediaaccess.com Mon May 3 11:35:14 1999 From: khan at tv.mediaaccess.com (Khan Klatt) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:06 2005 Subject: What is the list administrator's e-mail address? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I have an administrative question (listproc doesn't seem to allow me to unsubscribe, and e-mails to the alias don't seem to be answered either) regarding unsubscribing from this list. If the list administrator reads this list, or someone knows his/her address, please send it on so I can unsubscribe. Thanks, -Khan From parker at wildmile.com Mon May 3 12:06:30 1999 From: parker at wildmile.com (Parker Beeson) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:06 2005 Subject: Hosed Apache please help... Message-ID: <372DF3B5.75949F1B@wildmile.com> Okay forgive the ignorance (I'm teaching myself as I go). I modified my apache.conf to include some virtual host information (as per instructions at www.apache.org/docs/vhost) and then went to restart the apache parent process based on it's PID, but it didn't work. I was using a terminal window and probably got the command wrong. I typed in kill -HUP /Local/Library/WebServer/Logs/apache.pid but got an error. So thinking a little I just went the ProcessViewer.app and selected the parent process of apache (the root one) and quit it. Great. Back to terminal. Typed /usr/sbin/apache to launch....hrmm...didn't bark at me or anything so I went back to the ProcessViewer but there were no new apache processes. Back to terminal ps -aux listed nothing. Rats. Well, just to be safe I restored the default apache.conf file and restarted . Nothing on restart either. So I went to the Network "Control Panel" (<-for lack of a better word) and cycled the "web server" on/off button hitting apply etc. Nothing. Where did I go wrong and why can't I restart apache at startup time or get it to start at all for that matter. The is no longer an apache.pid file and it won't seem to write a new one. I'm no where near adept enough to start looking through /etc/xxx startup files. Thanks again. From rthomas at uiuc.edu Mon May 3 12:28:18 1999 From: rthomas at uiuc.edu (Ryan Thomas) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:06 2005 Subject: New MacOS X Server user questions? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 11:05 AM -0700 5/3/99, Rob Newberry wrote: > > There is information about each file that currently cannot be stored in > > the HFS format, and my guess is never will be, such as file permissions > > and ownership. Don't store any Unix style files on the HFS(+) partition, > > as the kind of security holes this will create if your system is anywhere > > near the Internet are too horrible to contemplate. > >This is not true for HFS+ (it is true for HFS). > >HFS+ DOES support storing all the information that UNIX needs, including >permissions. There's no security issue because that kind of enforcement >is done ABOVE this particular layer. As long as the file system supports >what UNIX needs, which HFS+ does, it shouldn't really create any new >security problems. > >My understanding is that it WILL eventually be possible to run your system >entirely on an HFS+ volume, and it will work just fine, with no security >considerations whatsoever. Then what about the statements like "HFS+ does not have some of the inherent security features of UFS"? http://til.info.apple.com/techinfo.nsf/artnum/n60097 http://til.info.apple.com/techinfo.nsf/artnum/n60102 For example, what *exactly* is the danger of using HFS+ for apache served content? These articles only state the danger, not explicit details. >Rob > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >Rob Newberry >Director of Fajita Technology >Group Logic, Inc. ===========------------------------------------------------------- Ryan Thomas, CCSO Consultant Network & Systems Administrator for the College of Education, UIUC rthomas@uiuc.edu, 217/244-0429, http://www.uiuc.edu/ph/www/rthomas From ajetha at tacticalstep.com Mon May 3 12:53:37 1999 From: ajetha at tacticalstep.com (A Jetha) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:06 2005 Subject: File Sharing -- OS-X, OS8.x, NT Message-ID: <7727164F139A.AAA730F@bismuth.tor.sfl.net> Folks, Just wondering if anyone has solved the following problem: We have a network with NT, OS-X and OS8.x. File sharing between OS-X and NT is solved with Samba. The problem lies with OS8.x. We would really like to do use things like GoLive, Dreamweaver and other such tools to aid in our WebObjects development. We found a product called PC-MACLAN. It allows a Windows client(NT/95/98) to see AppleShare volumes. Any help, suggestions or comments would be appreciated. From herren at flannet.middlebury.edu Mon May 3 15:00:18 1999 From: herren at flannet.middlebury.edu (David Herren) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:06 2005 Subject: File Sharing -- OS-X, OS8.x, NT References: <7727164F139A.AAA730F@bismuth.tor.sfl.net> Message-ID: ajetha@tacticalstep.com writes: >Just wondering if anyone has solved the following problem: >We have a network with NT, OS-X and OS8.x. File sharing between OS-X and NT is solved with Samba. >The problem lies with OS8.x. We would really like to do use things like GoLive, Dreamweaver and >other such tools to aid in our WebObjects development. >We found a product called PC-MACLAN. It allows a Windows client(NT/95/98) to see AppleShare volumes. >Any help, suggestions or comments would be appreciated. I'm not sure I understand the question. What is the problem you're experiencing with MacOS8? Are you suggesting that you can't mount the macosx server through the chooser of MacOS8? -- David D. Herren www.cet.middlebury.edu/herren Assoc. Dir. for Tech. & Instruction herren@flannet.middlebury.edu Center for Educational Technology voice: (802)443-5746 5 Court Street, Middlebury, VT 05753 fax: (802)443-2053 From jkeenan at apple.com Mon May 3 13:00:49 1999 From: jkeenan at apple.com (Joe Keenan) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:06 2005 Subject: File Sharing -- OS-X, OS8.x, NT References: <7727164F139A.AAA730F@bismuth.tor.sfl.net> Message-ID: <372E006F.C77A135A@apple.com> There's a program called CAP that runs on unix and provides appleshare access, sort of like samba for SMB shares. Or you could run DAVE on your MacOS systems and access the same samba shares. joe A Jetha wrote: > Folks, > > Just wondering if anyone has solved the following problem: > We have a network with NT, OS-X and OS8.x. File sharing between OS-X and NT is solved with Samba. > The problem lies with OS8.x. We would really like to do use things like GoLive, Dreamweaver and > other such tools to aid in our WebObjects development. > > We found a product called PC-MACLAN. It allows a Windows client(NT/95/98) to see AppleShare volumes. > > Any help, suggestions or comments would be appreciated. From tomi at objectfarm.org Mon May 3 13:17:48 1999 From: tomi at objectfarm.org (Tomi Engel) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:06 2005 Subject: apache dying when accessed from bb Message-ID: <9905032020.AA27289@objectfarm.org> Hi all, >Anyone else here have a problem with the root apache process dying after trying to access the local server from the BlueBox? Reason is, I still really like Netscape Communicator.... I can confirm this strange "suicide" problem, because I had run into it on our main OS X machine back in Germany (fresh OS X install). However, I was not able to make any checks because I left German one day later. On my PowerBook I could not reproduce the problem. Aloha Tomi From tomi at objectfarm.org Mon May 3 13:18:03 1999 From: tomi at objectfarm.org (Tomi Engel) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:06 2005 Subject: *sigh* PB and HFS+ Message-ID: <9905032020.AA27293@objectfarm.org> Hi, >> Viewer[557] *** Assertion failure in -[HFSInfo >> initWithPath:], HFSInfo.m:131 >> >> which might just be a Viewer problem...but all other apps suffer > If you make sure that you're part of the MacOS group, this goes away. Nope...not over here :-( This happens all the time when I see the "???-Document" Icons (and only very rarly in other situations). For each file I get 2 assert failure. but still I can work with the files...only the icon are corrupted. The setup for this is that I do have a Symbolic-Link pointing from a UFS to a HFS+ folder/file. Personally I would suspect that this should be of no interest to the HFS+ file system driver since some other layer should take care of resolving sym-links and handing down the real device specific pathes. Aloha Tomi P.S. I really really miss something like the old "BugNeXT" application. It was such a pleasure to report bugs back in the old days...sigh... From jmates at u.washington.edu Mon May 3 13:21:37 1999 From: jmates at u.washington.edu (J. Mates) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:06 2005 Subject: File Sharing -- OS-X, OS8.x, NT In-Reply-To: <372E006F.C77A135A@apple.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 3 May 1999, Joe Keenan wrote: > There's a program called CAP that runs on unix and provides > appleshare access, sort of like samba for SMB shares. Or you could > run DAVE on your MacOS systems and access the same samba shares. I would try OSX's built-in AFP server and stay away from CAP. CAP (at least the last time I looked) doesn't have AppleShare IP support, and thus is painfully slow on any Mac produced in the last few years. -- Jeremy Mates (206) 221-4714 Fax: 685-7301 Macintosh Systems Administrator K353-B, Health Sciences Center Department of Molecular Biotechnology Box 357730 University of Washington Seattle, WA, 98195 From herren at flannet.middlebury.edu Mon May 3 15:35:24 1999 From: herren at flannet.middlebury.edu (David Herren) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:06 2005 Subject: File Sharing -- OS-X, OS8.x, NT References: Message-ID: jmates@u.washington.edu writes: >> There's a program called CAP that runs on unix and provides >> appleshare access, sort of like samba for SMB shares. Or you could >> run DAVE on your MacOS systems and access the same samba shares. >I would try OSX's built-in AFP server and stay away from CAP. CAP (at >least the last time I looked) doesn't have AppleShare IP support, and >thus is painfully slow on any Mac produced in the last few years. Actually CAPer v10 does have the beginnings of Appleshare IP support, though Frank says explicitly that it's not quite up to snuff yet. I was curious as to why the Joe Keenan made the CAPer recommendation since CAPer isn't even available for MacOSX Server and appleshare fileserving is included in MacOSX SErver anyway. I suspect that he missed (or for that matter I've probably missed something) the fact that the question was for MacOSX... -- David D. Herren www.cet.middlebury.edu/herren Assoc. Dir. for Tech. & Instruction herren@flannet.middlebury.edu Center for Educational Technology voice: (802)443-5746 5 Court Street, Middlebury, VT 05753 fax: (802)443-2053 From jconway at macprosinc.com Mon May 3 13:31:40 1999 From: jconway at macprosinc.com (Jim Conway) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:06 2005 Subject: Apache root process dying Message-ID: I was asked: >> > Did you config it to serve user directories ("~username") ? >> in reference to my OS X server that Apache has not _yet_ died on. :-) >> No, there are no redirects or virtual hosts. > >But... you didn't actually answer the question. >I'll pose it another way: > >Do you have the following line uncommented in your apache.conf file? > > UserDir "public_html" err... OK I guess I do have this line uncommented. I didn't think so, sorry. >Or something similar? Or is it still commented out? And what kind of >hardware are you running? B&W or older G3? Older G3 Desktop 266, 96 Megs RAM, 4 Gig HD, Original OS X install (didn't update with the recent patches) with original Apache 1.3.4 that ships with OS X. All 4 gigs formatted as UFS. 10bT ethernet network to Router to T1. Here is a list of my config file changes from the defaults: ServerName DocumentRoot HostnameLookups On AllowOverride AuthConfig DirectoryIndex I think thats it. Jim Conway From rsims at au304a.mckenna.edu Mon May 3 13:39:54 1999 From: rsims at au304a.mckenna.edu (Rayford Sims) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:06 2005 Subject: Hosed Apache please help... Message-ID: <199905031930.MAA29908@SpeedZone.McKenna.edu> > From: Parker Beeson > Date: 1999-05-03 11:11:33 -0700 > Okay forgive the ignorance (I'm teaching myself as I go). I modified my > apache.conf to include some virtual host information (as per > instructions at www.apache.org/docs/vhost) and then went to restart the > apache parent process based on it's PID, but it didn't work. I was > using a terminal window and probably got the command wrong. I typed in > kill -HUP /Local/Library/WebServer/Logs/apache.pid but got an error. you should actually kill the pid that is contained in the apache.pid file, but that's another issue. > So thinking a little I just went the ProcessViewer.app and selected the > parent process of apache (the root one) and quit it. Great. Back to > terminal. Typed /usr/sbin/apache to launch....hrmm...didn't bark at me > or anything so I went back to the ProcessViewer but there were no new > apache processes. Back to terminal ps -aux listed nothing. Rats. Well, > just to be safe I restored the default apache.conf file and restarted > . Nothing on restart either. So I went to the Network "Control > Panel" (<-for lack of a better word) and cycled the "web server" on/off > button hitting apply etc. Nothing. to start apache go to the /etc/startup directory and type ./ on my machine that's /etc/startup/2000_WebServer . If apache has any problem with it's configuration file it should yell at you then. > Where did I go wrong and why can't I restart apache at startup time or > get it to start at all for that matter. The is no longer an apache.pid > file and it won't seem to write a new one. I'm no where near adept > enough to start looking through /etc/xxx startup files. Thanks again. apache may be complaining about something and dying at startup. Try starting it manually to iron out any bugs. Regards, Rayford Sims From sanguish at digifix.com Mon May 3 13:45:35 1999 From: sanguish at digifix.com (Scott Anguish) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:06 2005 Subject: OSXS on iMac In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <199905032045.QAA12360@digifix.com> Well, I'm preparing to head out to WWDC, and as usual I'm obsessing about the required hardware to report back on. I definately want to use OSXS while there, there simply isn't anything like what I need on Mac OS. Does OSXS run on the new iMac 333 machines? I've not gotten any reports on the 333Mhz boxes for Stepwise, so I'm not sure if anyone has tried it or not. I'll also be picking up a 3Com LanConnect to connect to the Internet from OSXS and I'll write a review of how that all works out after WWDC... Anyone interested in buying a slightly used iMac after WWDC? Or anyone in the market for a very low-mileage PowerBook? Scott From moy at parc.xerox.com Mon May 3 13:47:20 1999 From: moy at parc.xerox.com (Edward Moy) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:06 2005 Subject: File Sharing -- OS-X, OS8.x, NT In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 3 May 1999, J. Mates wrote: > On Mon, 3 May 1999, Joe Keenan wrote: > > There's a program called CAP that runs on unix and provides > > appleshare access, sort of like samba for SMB shares. Or you could > > run DAVE on your MacOS systems and access the same samba shares. > > I would try OSX's built-in AFP server and stay away from CAP. CAP (at > least the last time I looked) doesn't have AppleShare IP support, and > thus is painfully slow on any Mac produced in the last few years. Actually, CAP and netatalk have had AppleShare IP support for sometime now. netatalk was always the faster of the two, since it installed a kernel driver to do the low-level protocol stuff. However, CAP is more mature, and has, among other things, static directory ID support and configurable replies to LaserWriter 8 queries (which I helped do years ago). I've asked this before during the Rhapsody days, but does anyone know if there are public APIs to the AppleTalk stack that is in Mac OS X Server? It would be neat to merge CAP with these APIs. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Edward Moy Xerox Palo Alto Research Center From sanguish at digifix.com Mon May 3 13:47:34 1999 From: sanguish at digifix.com (Scott Anguish) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:06 2005 Subject: File Sharing -- OS-X, OS8.x, NT In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <199905032047.QAA12364@digifix.com> J. Mates wrote: > On Mon, 3 May 1999, Joe Keenan wrote: > > There's a program called CAP that runs on unix and provides > > appleshare access, sort of like samba for SMB shares. Or you could > > run DAVE on your MacOS systems and access the same samba shares. > > I would try OSX's built-in AFP server and stay away from CAP. CAP (at > least the last time I looked) doesn't have AppleShare IP support, and > thus is painfully slow on any Mac produced in the last few years. The built in AFP server won't export From sanguish at digifix.com Mon May 3 13:48:31 1999 From: sanguish at digifix.com (Scott Anguish) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:06 2005 Subject: File Sharing -- OS-X, OS8.x, NT In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <199905032048.QAA12368@digifix.com> J. Mates wrote: > On Mon, 3 May 1999, Joe Keenan wrote: > > There's a program called CAP that runs on unix and provides > > appleshare access, sort of like samba for SMB shares. Or you could > > run DAVE on your MacOS systems and access the same samba shares. > > I would try OSX's built-in AFP server and stay away from CAP. CAP (at > least the last time I looked) doesn't have AppleShare IP support, and > thus is painfully slow on any Mac produced in the last few years. Lets try that again... The built in AFP server on Mac OS X Server only exports HFS+ volumes. So you can't export your UFS workspace and then mount it in Mac OS/blue box. From brucea at spacestar.net Mon May 3 13:46:51 1999 From: brucea at spacestar.net (Bruce Anderson) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:06 2005 Subject: Hosed Apache please help... Message-ID: A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/enriched Size: 3572 bytes Desc: not available Url : /mailman/archive/macosx-admin/attachments/19990503/d65c6ad9/attachment.bin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/x-url Size: 26 bytes Desc: Parker Beeson Url : /mailman/archive/macosx-admin/attachments/19990503/d65c6ad9/attachment-0001.bin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/enriched Size: 295 bytes Desc: not available Url : /mailman/archive/macosx-admin/attachments/19990503/d65c6ad9/attachment-0002.bin From jkeenan at apple.com Mon May 3 14:00:26 1999 From: jkeenan at apple.com (Joe Keenan) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:06 2005 Subject: File Sharing -- OS-X, OS8.x, NT References: Message-ID: <372E0E69.118E2EB2@apple.com> David Herren wrote: > I was curious as to why the Joe Keenan made the CAPer recommendation since CAPer isn't even available for MacOSX Server and appleshare fileserving is included in MacOSX SErver anyway. I suspect that he missed (or for that matter I've probably missed > something) the fact that the question was for MacOSX... Brain fade? I was confused about what the original question really was, so I gave a generic answer. joe From mjwise at kapu.net Mon May 3 14:10:24 1999 From: mjwise at kapu.net (Nai`a) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:06 2005 Subject: Apache root process dying In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 3 May 1999, Jim Conway wrote: > Older G3 Desktop 266... Hmmm. I have two questions, then. 1) Any G3 B&W systems NOT having this problem? 2) Any NON-B&W systems that ARE having this problem? Aloha mai Nai`a! -- "Please have your Internet License http://kapu.net/~mjwise/ and Usenet Registration handy..." From tom at basil.icce.rug.nl Mon May 3 14:14:25 1999 From: tom at basil.icce.rug.nl (Tom Hageman) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:06 2005 Subject: Terminal.app and pasting ^J (was Re: Please report on: Apache root process dying) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <199905032114.AA19995@basil.icce.rug.nl> Hi server, [I don't think that you are at omnigroup.com really, but that's how it appears on the list. Since you don't have a valid Reply-To: address, and you don't mention an email address in your signature, I'm forced to post this to the list...] On Sun, 2 May 1999 23:55:42 -0700 (PDT), server@omnigroup.com wrote: > (G0D D&MN F$CK!NG ^J being treated as a reformat! Why does it NOT do > that with NiftyTelnet, but insists on doing it in NCSA and > Terminal.app???) Sounds like an interaction between pasting newlines and Pine(?). Did you try turning off Terminal.app's [VT100 Emulation] "Translate newlines to carriage-returns when pasting" preference? -- __/__/__/__/ Tom Hageman [NeXTmail/Mime OK] __/ __/_/ Proteon Software (work) __/__/__/ __/ _/_/ "Stupid, stupid rat creatures!" From ajetha at tacticalstep.com Mon May 3 15:37:20 1999 From: ajetha at tacticalstep.com (A Jetha) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:06 2005 Subject: File Sharing -- OS-X, OS8.x, NT Message-ID: <77271652D1F.AAA17A2@bismuth.tor.sfl.net> Let me clear up the question, Original Post: > Just wondering if anyone has solved the following problem: > We have a network with NT, OS-X and OS8.x. File sharing between OS-X and NT is solved with Samba. > The problem lies with OS8.x. We would really like to do use things like GoLive, Dreamweaver and > other such tools to aid in our WebObjects development. > > We found a product called PC-MACLAN. It allows a Windows client(NT/95/98) to see AppleShare volumes. > > Any help, suggestions or comments would be appreciated. > > What I would like to do, is to have all shared files on one server. These files must be accessible from MacOS8.x, OS-X and NT. I would prefer that this server be OS-X, but I will consider Linux or a variant. If there was an NFS client for MacOS, it would solve the problem. Via NFS, OS-X and NT can see the files (we could also use Samba on the NT side and still export NFS for others). I have not been able to find a NFS client for MacOS8.x. Another alternative is too use SMB for NT, NFS for OS-X and purchase a product called DAVE for the Mac. DAVE is expensive however. (DAVE is basically a SMB client for the Mac). Yet another alternative is to have a single server be able to publish the same drive as an NFS volume, a SMB volume and a AppleShare volume. This would be ideal. So here are some questions: - If you have been able to shares files on all three platforms, how have you done it? - Can you export a HFS+ volume via NFS on OS-X, so that other unixes can see the volume? - Can you export a HFS+ volume via SAMBA on OS-X, so that Winblows clients can see the volume? [ Scott already told us that you cannot export a UFS volume via AppleShare] Once again, any comments or suggestions are greatly appreciated. From mjwise at kapu.net Mon May 3 15:38:34 1999 From: mjwise at kapu.net (Nai`a) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:06 2005 Subject: Terminal.app and pasting ^J (was Re: Please report on: Apache root In-Reply-To: <199905032114.AA19995@basil.icce.rug.nl> Message-ID: On Mon, 3 May 1999, Tom Hageman wrote: > [I don't think that you are at omnigroup.com really, but that's how it > appears on the list. Heh. Not my fault. Compare and contrast the reply you are getting right now and the one that appears on the list.... > Since you don't have a valid Reply-To: address Actually, I do! I have a valid "From:" and "Sender:" header. So the question becomes, where did they go? > and you don't mention an email address in your signature, I'm forced > to post this to the list...] By all means. > On Sun, 2 May 1999 23:55:42 -0700 (PDT), server@omnigroup.com wrote: > > (G0D D&MN F$CK!NG ^J being treated as a reformat! Why does it NOT do > > that with NiftyTelnet, but insists on doing it in NCSA and > > Terminal.app???) > > Sounds like an interaction between pasting newlines and Pine(?). Yup. > Did you try turning off Terminal.app's [VT100 Emulation] "Translate > newlines to carriage-returns when pasting" preference? Yup. But if you think about it, that's the opposite of what's happening. >From what I can gather, ^Js are being treated differently that the [Return] key on the keyboard of my Mac. Why would that be? *WHY* would they make the ^J (aka NewLine in Unix) the "Justify" command? Aloha mai Nai`a! -- "Please have your Internet License http://kapu.net/~mjwise/ and Usenet Registration handy..." From wchin at acm.org Mon May 3 15:49:50 1999 From: wchin at acm.org (Bill Chin) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:06 2005 Subject: New MacOS X Server user questions? Message-ID: <199905032249.SAA24623@mail.richmond.net> Ryan Thomas wrote: > Then what about the statements like "HFS+ does not have some of the > inherent security features of UFS"? > > http://til.info.apple.com/techinfo.nsf/artnum/n60097 > http://til.info.apple.com/techinfo.nsf/artnum/n60102 > > For example, what *exactly* is the danger of using HFS+ for apache > served content? These articles only state the danger, not explicit > details. > I believe that HFS+ has a lot of the fundamentals to support the security and long file name requirements for MOXS. See, for instance, the directory listing of an HFS+ partition at the bottom of this message. Note the working sym-link, the > 32 character file name, the varying ownerships and permissions. The current implementation of HFS+ support, however, has some problems. I tried putting my home directory on a HFS+ partition and got some strange results from some YB apps, specifically ProjectBuilder. Symlinks also aren't exaclty the same. Issues with case insensitive but case preserving file handling can cause security breaches. Say, for instance, a file called "FubaR.access" holds some passwords keys. The file is read by all, write by owner only but the directory is group or world writable with the sticky bit on. On UFS, FubaR.access is different from Fubar.access or fubar.access or FUBAR.access, etc. On HFS+, if someone created fubar.access which is allowed with the directory permissions, applications might use fubar.access instead of FubaR.access. The user doesn't have write access to FubaR.access but can still circumvent the file. The above scenario is not likely, but definitely different than UFS which could lead to an unexpected security hole. Not all UNIX based utilities are written with this in mind. Unsuspecting sys-admins could also be bit by this. On Windows NT, this is the expected behavior thus no security hole in particular. Of course WinNT is a security hole IMHO. wildblue> ls -lga total 4442 drwxrwxr-x 1 root macos 7128 May 3 18:39 ./ drwxr-xr-x 14 root wheel 1024 May 2 09:25 ../ -rw-r--r-- 1 bchin macos 118 Apr 29 10:27 .dir5_0.wmd -rwxrwxr-x 1 bchin macos 2465 Apr 22 16:56 ASP report Blue Box* -rw-rw-r-- 1 root macos 18862 Dec 4 12:00 About your Power Macintosh G3 drwxrwxr-x 1 root macos 3168 Dec 4 21:24 Apple Extras/ drwxrwxr-x 1 root macos 5280 Apr 28 05:49 Applications/ drwxrwxr-x 1 root macos 1056 Jan 29 04:01 Assistants/ drwxrwxr-x 1 bchin macos 528 May 1 17:51 Cleanup At Startup/ -rw-rw-r-- 1 root macos 245760 May 1 17:51 Desktop DB -rw-rw-r-- 1 root macos 1816482 May 2 00:35 Desktop DF drwxrwxr-x 1 root macos 1056 Apr 28 05:22 Desktop Folder/ -rw-rw-r-- 1 root macos 0 Apr 13 10:38 DesktopPrinters DB drwxrwxr-x 1 root macos 1056 Apr 28 02:13 Games/ drwxrwxr-x 1 root macos 792 Apr 20 12:13 Installer Logs/ drwxrwxr-x 1 root macos 2904 Apr 29 09:59 Internet/ drwxrwxr-x 1 root macos 3696 Apr 28 05:52 Library/ drwxrwxr-x 1 root macos 3168 Feb 12 14:55 Mac OS Read Me Files/ drwx---rwx 1 root wheel 1056 Apr 28 05:49 Network Trash Folder/ -rw-rw-r-- 1 root macos 0 Apr 28 00:39 OpenFolderListDF? -rwxrwxr-x 1 bchin macos 0 May 1 17:51 Shutdown Check* drwxrwxr-x 1 root macos 9768 Apr 29 10:22 System Folder/ drwxrwxr-x 1 root macos 528 Apr 28 05:23 Trash/ drwxr-xr-x 1 amita macos 1056 Apr 19 10:04 Users/ drwxrwxr-x 1 root macos 4224 Dec 4 21:24 Utilities/ -rw-r--r-- 1 bchin macos 0 May 3 18:37 this is a really really really long file name to test HFS plus support.txt lrwxrwxr-x 1 root macos 4 May 3 18:39 tmp@ -> /tmp -- Bill Chin (NeXTmail/MIME accepted) From herren at flannet.middlebury.edu Mon May 3 18:05:25 1999 From: herren at flannet.middlebury.edu (David Herren) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:06 2005 Subject: File Sharing -- OS-X, OS8.x, NT References: <372E0E69.118E2EB2@apple.com> Message-ID: jkeenan@apple.com writes: >Brain fade? I was confused about what the original question really was, so I gave a generic answer. Actually, I think you were right on target. In retrospect I believe the question was about sharing UFS volumes and the built-in can't do that. We're still left with the fact that CAPer isn't yet available for MacOSX, if it ever will be.. -- David D. Herren www.cet.middlebury.edu/herren Assoc. Dir. for Tech. & Instruction herren@flannet.middlebury.edu Center for Educational Technology voice: (802)443-5746 5 Court Street, Middlebury, VT 05753 fax: (802)443-2053 From mjwise at kapu.net Mon May 3 16:21:36 1999 From: mjwise at kapu.net (Michael J Wise) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:06 2005 Subject: All because of a single character? In-Reply-To: <199905032114.AA19995@basil.icce.rug.nl> Message-ID: "Testing"... Just removed my "Preferred" name of "Nai`a", which I have on good authority is the reason for my "From:" and "Sender:" headers being trashed. C'est La Vie... Aloha mai Nai`a! -- "Please have your Internet License http://kapu.net/~mjwise/ and Usenet Registration handy..." From cmcquinn at math.purdue.edu Mon May 3 17:59:49 1999 From: cmcquinn at math.purdue.edu (Chad J McQuinn) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:06 2005 Subject: File Sharing -- OS-X, OS8.x, NT In-Reply-To: <77271652D1F.AAA17A2@bismuth.tor.sfl.net> References: <77271652D1F.AAA17A2@bismuth.tor.sfl.net> Message-ID: A Jetha wrote: >What I would like to do, is to have all shared files on one server. >These files must be accessible >from MacOS8.x, OS-X and NT. I would prefer that this server be OS-X, >but I will consider Linux or >a variant. I'm afraid that OS-XS may not be able to do this right now, given your specific need of exporting the same directory with all three methods. Some solutions I can think of 1) Linux works perfectly in this situation with Netatalk, Samba, and NFS. I use this myself. 2) Of course, if netatalk could be gotten to work on OS-XS, that would serve the same purpose; however, it requires kernel-level support. I don't know how easy (or possible) that would be given that it already exists for the *BSD's. 3) You could export an HFS+ directory and a UFS directory, and run some kind of syncing program to poll each directory for changes and update the other accordingly. That's a pretty bad hack, though. See also the end of this message for a TIL from Apple. >I have not been >able to find a NFS client for MacOS8.x. I'm not aware of any either. There is an NFS server around somewhere though. >Another alternative is too use SMB for NT, NFS for OS-X and purchase >a product called DAVE for the >Mac. DAVE is expensive however. (DAVE is basically a SMB client for the Mac). Dave works well, based on my very limited experience. If your preference is strong enough to stay with OS-XS, this would certainly be a viable solution. >- If you have been able to shares files on all three platforms, how >have you done it? Linux (or one of the BSD's) looks like the best solution here, IMHO. I assume that AppleShare exporting of UFS and (proper) NFS exporting of HFS+ will be forthcoming from Apple, but it's anyone's guess as to when. LinuxPPC should run on whatever machine is using OS-XS; it's recently been gotten up and running on the Blue & Whites, and of course it runs on everything (PCI) before that. >- Can you export a HFS+ volume via NFS on OS-X, so that other unixes >can see the volume? I haven't yet tried--however, see the TIL article from apple at: http://til.info.apple.com/techinfo.nsf/artnum/n60212 Basically, resource forks are the bad deal here. If the files you're sharing don't require them, as many do not--particularly those from cross-platform apps--then you would be OK with this solution. I would have given it a shot, but for some reason I can't create any exports from "File Sharing" in network manager. I can create mount points for imports, but nothing for exports. Anyone know why that is? It worked at one time but I haven't used NFS on that machine for a while. >- Can you export a HFS+ volume via SAMBA on OS-X, so that Winblows >clients can see the volume? That definitely works, I'm doing it right now. Same cautions as with NFS exporting, however. Hope this helps, -Chad From sanguish at digifix.com Tue May 4 01:24:37 1999 From: sanguish at digifix.com (Scott Anguish) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:06 2005 Subject: SWSignature 1.3 - bug fixes, draggable URLS and Smiley support Message-ID: <199905040821.EAA15187@digifix.com> I've released SWSignature 1.3 for MailViewer on Mac OS X Server. SWSignature extends MailViewer, appending your signature at the end of outgoing mail. As well as appending signatures, SWSignature adds support for URLs, making them active. You can click on http: or ftp: links and they'll open in OmniWeb. Likewise, mailto: URLs will cause a new compose window to be created in MailViewer. The user can control the underline style and color of the links, as well as turn off the behaviour entirely. Version 1.3 fixes another couple of annoying cases where URLs were not correctly detected. This version also adds an optional URL icon to Urlification. This is more like the old Mail.app URLifier bundle, and allows you to drag and drop URLs into OmniWeb or HTMLEdit (or even other MailViewer compose windows). Mail.app's URLifier was annoying in that it littered any forwarded or reply email with high-bit characters (due to the attachment). SWSignature is careful to strip out any NSAttachmentCharacters that it ads in inserting these icons. You can turn the icons on or off, as you'd prefer. I've also added basic Smiley support. Standard smilies are replaced with graphics in incoming mail. When you forward or reply to a mail with a smiley image in it, the original text based smiley is re-inserted into the text. You can of course turn Smiley substitution on and off. This could really use a good set of complete Smiley images, and something better looking that what it has now.. if anyone has the inclination to draw some, I'd love to include them. scott http://www.stepwise.com/Software/MailViewer/index.html -- Scott Anguish Middlebury College - Center for Education Technology Stepwise Server - Mac OS X Server Information From kristoffer at hjemme.dk Tue May 4 01:23:24 1999 From: kristoffer at hjemme.dk (Kristoffer =?iso-8859-1?Q?Peterh=E4nsel?=) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:06 2005 Subject: New MacOS X Server user questions? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 08:54 -0700 03/05/1999, Ashley Aitken wrote: >Howdy All, > >MacOS X Server has finally arrived and installation is moving along smoothly. > >Just a couple of questions, if I may: > >1. What's the story with only being able to have ONE Mac OS X Server >(UFS) partition per disk? Will UFS eventually go away and be >replaced by HFS Extended as the standard format? Should I move all >my Unix files to HFS Extended? HFS+ WILL most likely be the standard in MacOS X (Consumer/client thingy) if for no other reason than 'resource forks'. I know Apple COULD emulate this. But it seems most likely they will keep the file-system to prevent problems. Also HFS+ does almost everything UFS does (AFIK the only exception is 'split blocks'), UFS does not - however - support meta-data, finder flags and comments (and - as said - resource forks). Making moving files between them course problems. You do NOT want to move your files right now tho. The MOSXS HFS(+) support seems..... trublesome at best. So as long you run MOSXS you would want to stay with UFS. >NB I would prefer to have a separate partitions for Mac OS X Server >(system software), Mac OS X Server applications, and Mac OS X Server >files (eg home dirs etc). This seems not to be possible with the >one UFS limit. Everything OS X Server goes on one partition? Uhm... 'Why?' would be my question. Not that it matters much. Since you can only do that with 3 different disks. >2. Whenever I go back to MacOS and then return to MacOS X Server the >screen resolution returns to some default setting (something like >600x480) from my chosen setting (something like 1200x780). This is a known problem. (That seemed to go away after updating to 1.01 and update my B&W firmware). >NB When MacOS boots anyway, it always reset the screen (one blink) >to the default resolution then starts up some, and then finally sets >the screen to my chosen setting (another blink). This is not too >elegant in my books. > >3. When installing WebObjects and the development tools - the >installer noted that some of the files already existed. Should I >have overwritten those or not? I won't tell you what I did for fear >of recrimination :-) Yes. Several of the Apple packages install the same things since they all needs them. But they should all be the same versions. So you can safely let the installers overwrite the files (unless you have made some changes you would like to persevere). >Well, that's a starter. Any assistance most appreciated. Hope it helps some then Kristoffer Peterh?nsel - AKA Lord Tiran Kenja ------------------------------[Start Signature]------------------------------ ICQ: 109818 Web: Email: kristoffer@hjemme.dk -------------------------------[End Signature]------------------------------- From cb at df.lth.se Tue May 4 04:04:29 1999 From: cb at df.lth.se (Christian Brunschen) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:06 2005 Subject: OS-X on iMac -- 1024 x 768 res Message-ID: Hi, Did you ever get a reply, a solution? I installed MacOS X Server on an iMac rev B (bondi blue, 233 MHz CPU, 160 MB RAM, 6MB VRAM) yesterday, and I have the same problem. Actually, I have the further problem that Mac OS X Server seems to forget video resolution & depth settings if I boot into Mac OS 8.5 . Cute note: After shutting down Mac OS 8.5 (which runs happily at 1024x768, 75Hz, millions of colours), Mac OS X Server _begins_ to boot at the same, well-centered 1024x768, but then switches to 800x600 @ thousands of colours, which it then retains. So it actually undoes video settings changes that were made in Mac OS 8 (which I beleive was the previous way of setting video resolution & depth, in RDR2). Best regards // Christian Brunschen From robnewberry at grouplogic.com Tue May 4 03:32:41 1999 From: robnewberry at grouplogic.com (Rob Newberry) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:06 2005 Subject: New MacOS X Server user questions? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > >NB I would prefer to have a separate partitions for Mac OS X Server > >(system software), Mac OS X Server applications, and Mac OS X Server > >files (eg home dirs etc). This seems not to be possible with the > >one UFS limit. Everything OS X Server goes on one partition? > > Uhm... 'Why?' would be my question. Not that it matters much. Since > you can only do that with 3 different disks. So that if your applications partition gets hosed, you don't lose everything? Separate partitions for various items is a pretty common UNIX technique for protecting yourself from disaster. I certainly HOPE that eventually Apple allows such an installation (all that really needs to happen is to split the formatting portion into a separate step -- if I already have "/", "/usr", and "/home" mounted, it can just install packages where it's supposed to). But I also hope Apple either gets rid of the "only one UFS partition" requirement, or fixes the problems with using Mac OS X Server on HFS+. Rob --------------------------------------------------------------------- Rob Newberry Director of Fajita Technology Group Logic, Inc. From carl at terc.edu Tue May 4 05:51:13 1999 From: carl at terc.edu (carl@terc.edu) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:06 2005 Subject: File Sharing -- OS-X, OS8.x, NT Message-ID: <199905041251.IAA20944@sporadic.mit.edu> Browsing this thread I'm beginning to wonder whether os-x will work for my intended purpose. I had been planning in my copious spare time to set up a NetBSD box with samba and netatalk & set it up as an ftp server, so users could directly put files up for anonymous ftp. With the release of ox-x I was figuring on saving myself the trouble of learning how netatelk works. Should I go back to plan A? ---Carl Alexander ------------- MIT (where Alex hangs out): xela@mit.edu Course VI (sometime special student) SIPB (prospective) Mitgaard ("honorary mold") MITSFS LSC (night worker) http://www.mit.edu/~xela ------------- Work (where they call me "Carl"): carl@terc.edu System Administrator & User Services Manager, TERC http://www.terc.edu From ajetha at tacticalstep.com Tue May 4 06:22:52 1999 From: ajetha at tacticalstep.com (A Jetha) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:06 2005 Subject: OS-X on iMac -- 1024 x 768 res Message-ID: <772716AD783.AAA71F@bismuth.tor.sfl.net> > Hi, > > Did you ever get a reply, a solution? I installed MacOS X Server on an > iMac rev B (bondi blue, 233 MHz CPU, 160 MB RAM, 6MB VRAM) yesterday, and > I have the same problem. Actually, I have the further problem that Mac OS > X Server seems to forget video resolution & depth settings if I boot into > Mac OS 8.5 . No, we had no luck in resolving the issue. We even attempted to adjust some pots that are accessible from the top of the case. Unfortunetely, those pots are for focus and brightness. We could not find an easy way to open the top of the iMac case. So this Rev C, fruity iMac is running at 800x600 for the moment. We even tried to look into the /usr/Devices directory to see if we could adjust any setting there, but the drivers don't have the flexibility of the OpenStep Intel counterpart. > Cute note: After shutting down Mac OS 8.5 (which runs happily at 1024x768, > 75Hz, millions of colours), Mac OS X Server _begins_ to boot at the same, > well-centered 1024x768, but then switches to 800x600 @ thousands of > colours, which it then retains. So it actually undoes video settings > changes that were made in Mac OS 8 (which I beleive was the previous way > of setting video resolution & depth, in RDR2). Same observation here. From dennyrex at earthlink.net Tue May 4 06:12:49 1999 From: dennyrex at earthlink.net (Rick Sanford) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:06 2005 Subject: New MacOS X Server user questions? Message-ID: <199905041321.GAA17309@swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net> unless I'm misreading the question, I think the case is that you can have 1 (one) UFS partition per disk but more than 1 OSX partition within it. Such that you can have a 8 GB disk split as 6 GB UFS & 2 GB HFS+, then you can split the single UFS partition into, say, 3 slices of 2 GB each, for sys, apps and users. I thought that what was the case, at any rate. If I am correct, then it was discussed here abouts over the last few months; I don't recall the specifics of how. pdisk probably. see man pdisk. -rick > > >NB I would prefer to have a separate partitions for Mac OS X Server > > >(system software), Mac OS X Server applications, and Mac OS X Server > > >files (eg home dirs etc). This seems not to be possible with the > > >one UFS limit. Everything OS X Server goes on one partition? > > > > Uhm... 'Why?' would be my question. Not that it matters much. Since > > you can only do that with 3 different disks. > > So that if your applications partition gets hosed, you don't lose > everything? Separate partitions for various items is a pretty common UNIX > technique for protecting yourself from disaster. > > I certainly HOPE that eventually Apple allows such an installation (all > that really needs to happen is to split the formatting portion into a > separate step -- if I already have "/", "/usr", and "/home" mounted, it > can just install packages where it's supposed to). But I also hope Apple > either gets rid of the "only one UFS partition" requirement, or fixes the > problems with using Mac OS X Server on HFS+. > > Rob > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > Rob Newberry > Director of Fajita Technology > Group Logic, Inc. > > > > From herren at flannet.middlebury.edu Tue May 4 08:37:54 1999 From: herren at flannet.middlebury.edu (David Herren) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:07 2005 Subject: OS-X on iMac -- 1024 x 768 res References: <772716AD783.AAA71F@bismuth.tor.sfl.net> Message-ID: ajetha@tacticalstep.com writes: >So this Rev C, fruity iMac is running >at 800x600 for the moment. Once booted, are you not able to run the defaults write command that has been published here several times, and then to set the display to a higher resolution? To repeat it again, as root at the command line: defaults write Preferences NSEnableShowAllDisplayModes YES Then open the preference.app for monitor settings, and select ALL from the popup. You should now see all available resolutions and be able to set it to something higher than 800 x 600. -- David D. Herren www.cet.middlebury.edu/herren Assoc. Dir. for Tech. & Instruction herren@flannet.middlebury.edu Center for Educational Technology voice: (802)443-5746 5 Court Street, Middlebury, VT 05753 fax: (802)443-2053 From ajetha at tacticalstep.com Tue May 4 06:49:53 1999 From: ajetha at tacticalstep.com (A Jetha) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:07 2005 Subject: OS-X on iMac -- 1024 x 768 res Message-ID: <772716AD120E.AAAB2D@bismuth.tor.sfl.net> > ajetha@tacticalstep.com writes: > >So this Rev C, fruity iMac is running > >at 800x600 for the moment. > > Once booted, are you not able to run the defaults write command that has been published here several times, and then to > set the display to a higher resolution? We are able to see 1024x768, but since it's off center, it's a bit annoying. The user using this iMac prefers 800x600 because of that, so we left it a that. > To repeat it again, as root at the command line: > > defaults write Preferences NSEnableShowAllDisplayModes YES > > Then open the preference.app for monitor settings, and select ALL from the popup. You should now see all available > resolutions and be able to set it to something higher than 800 x 600. > From wchin at acm.org Tue May 4 06:56:55 1999 From: wchin at acm.org (Bill Chin) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:07 2005 Subject: New MacOS X Server user questions? Message-ID: <199905041357.JAA32095@mail.richmond.net> MOXS does support multiple partitions, but in the BSD way. There is a single Apple_Rhapsody_UFS partition, but that one disk partition can be further divided. This is the way NetBSD and FreeBSD work also. Apple does not ship any installation or GUI tools to create the partitions, but it can be done. Note that MOXS really, really doesn't like running out of swap space. It doesn't handle that situation as well as most UNIX variants. That is the weakest link for maximum uptime if you stick swap onto a small partition. As long as you have enough disk space, you'll never notice the problem. MOXS isn't up to handling lots and lots of shell accounts or replacing a Sun Enterprise server. For serving the web, a workgroup, etc., the overhead and inflexibility of multiple partitions most likely outweighs the benefits. If you are savvy enough to deal with solving file system corrupting issues on a live server (as opposed to just restoring from backup offline), then you'll be right at home in reading the man pages for disk, disktab, disklabel, newfs and so on. You can certainly do the installation on multiple partitions... read /etc/rc.cdrom and /etc/rc.cdrom.ppc (or something like that) on the MOXS CD-ROM which details the actual installation of MOXS. This is easiest to do when you're already running MOXS and you're performing this surgery on another disk. I would install a minimal MOXS first so that it sets up the proper boot loader partitions automatically, then blow away the contents of the Apple_Rhapsody_UFS partition. Good luck - to a seasoned UNIX sys-admin, it's not hard at all. To a novice sys-admin, re-partitioning due to a poor partitioning decision or changed system requirements is far more troublesome. Note that since serving AppleShare clients is done on separate partitions (HFS+ requirement), that level of protection is already there. Finally, lots of sys-admins would probably go with multiple disks as much as going with multiple partitions. ..Bill Chin > > >NB I would prefer to have a separate partitions for Mac OS X Server > > >(system software), Mac OS X Server applications, and Mac OS X Server > > >files (eg home dirs etc). This seems not to be possible with the > > >one UFS limit. Everything OS X Server goes on one partition? > > > > Uhm... 'Why?' would be my question. Not that it matters much. Since > > you can only do that with 3 different disks. > > So that if your applications partition gets hosed, you don't lose > everything? Separate partitions for various items is a pretty common UNIX > technique for protecting yourself from disaster. > > I certainly HOPE that eventually Apple allows such an installation (all > that really needs to happen is to split the formatting portion into a > separate step -- if I already have "/", "/usr", and "/home" mounted, it > can just install packages where it's supposed to). But I also hope Apple > either gets rid of the "only one UFS partition" requirement, or fixes the > problems with using Mac OS X Server on HFS+. > > Rob > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > Rob Newberry > Director of Fajita Technology > Group Logic, Inc. > > -- Bill Chin (NeXTmail/MIME accepted) From smithja at cs.unc.edu Tue May 4 07:44:57 1999 From: smithja at cs.unc.edu (Jason M. Smith) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:07 2005 Subject: New MacOS X Server user questions? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At 1:25 AM -0700 5/4/99, Kristoffer Peterh?nsel wrote: >At 08:54 -0700 03/05/1999, Ashley Aitken wrote: >>NB I would prefer to have a separate partitions for Mac OS X Server >>(system software), Mac OS X Server applications, and Mac OS X Server >>files (eg home dirs etc). This seems not to be possible with the >>one UFS limit. Everything OS X Server goes on one partition? > >Uhm... 'Why?' would be my question. Why indeed, although I suspect that Kristoffer and the rest of us have vastly different reasons as to why. Go read the File System docs in the Readme directory (/System/Documentation/ReadMe) for an excellent rundown of how things are set up. The critical partitioning for MOSXS isn't system/apps/files, but more like system/network/machine/user. Having /Local on a HFS+ partition is the only way I can find to back it up on a non-SCSI standalone B&W machine. You have to boot into MacOS to do so. >Not that it matters much. Since >you can only do that with 3 different disks. Not quite. 1) He could place the MOSXS boot volume on a UFS partition, and the rest on HFS+ partitions on the same disk. (Breaks your advice about not using HFS+, but I'll have to admit I haven't had any problems... yet. Yes, it seems a bit flaky, but nothing hazardous has happened... yet.) 2) There can be only one Apple_UFS_Partition on a disk. *Inside* that, one can create multiple UFS partitions using pdisk... or at least rumor has it that way. I haven't done it. >>2. Whenever I go back to MacOS and then return to MacOS X Server the >>screen resolution returns to some default setting (something like >>600x480) from my chosen setting (something like 1200x780). > >This is a known problem. (That seemed to go away after updating to >1.01 and update my B&W firmware). Good to know. Now I have a reason to bump up to 1.01. >>NB When MacOS boots anyway, it always reset the screen (one blink) >>to the default resolution then starts up some, and then finally sets >>the screen to my chosen setting (another blink). This is not too >>elegant in my books. >> >>3. When installing WebObjects and the development tools - the >>installer noted that some of the files already existed. Should I >>have overwritten those or not? I won't tell you what I did for fear >>of recrimination :-) > >Yes. Several of the Apple packages install the same things since they >all needs them. But they should all be the same versions. So you can >safely let the installers overwrite the files (unless you have made >some changes you would like to persevere). The versions are usually the same... the developer libraries, AFAIK, are slightly different than the standard ones. In any case, it's safe to allow this procedure, unless like Kristoffer said, you've modified those files some way. ------- -Jason From gillette at tahc.state.tx.us Tue May 4 09:05:38 1999 From: gillette at tahc.state.tx.us (Keith A. Gillette) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:07 2005 Subject: Changing NetInfo account password through Chooser / POPclient In-Reply-To: <199904080557.BAA28048@mail.richmond.net> Message-ID: Am I missing something or is it not possible to change your password through AppleShare if your account belongs to a parent NetInfo domain? I can change passwords for local machine accounts without problem, but if I try to change a password on an account in a parent domain through the Chooser I get "Your password could not be changed. Please try again or see your network administrator." even though I can log in fine. Any ideas? Also, does anyone know whether there's a version of the POPmail password daemon that works properly with NetInfo accounts? That would be an acceptable alternate way of changing the account password in our environment. Thanks, Keith ______________________________________________________________________ Keith A. Gillette From parker at wildmile.com Tue May 4 09:42:04 1999 From: parker at wildmile.com (Parker Beeson) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:07 2005 Subject: Apache root process dying Message-ID: <372F235A.65938230@wildmile.com> I'm not sure if I'm having this problem or not.... I'll tell you what I *am* having problems with with apache. On _numerous_ occasions I've gone to modify my apache.conf (always to add or modify virtual host info) and when I go to restart Apache through the usual channels (kill -HUP pid# etc.) Apache will bark and not launch giving me the simple yet uninformative error "httpd can not start" (is there a log I could look at here for more info?). Even after I do get apache to run again (see below) it won't *keep* running for any length of time. Then to make matters worse my apache.pid file disappears causing me to laboriously jump hoops between the GUI's "control panels" and the command line (they always seem to interfere with each other, especially with permissions) to get apache running again (it seems to *really* want some kind of .pid file to launch... I suspect to overwrite the old process ID, but I'm still learning and have no idea really). I'm very new to all this, but I would think that it would be easier to maintain a web server than this! Luckily I still have sturdy ole Web* churning out my actual client vhosts until I can figure out how to keep apache running for more than a day. Blech! Any tips (constructive please, I already know how stupid I am to assume that I can just seemlessly switch from Web* etc. to a Unix serving environment..heh)... BTW - I have OSXS running on a Rev C. iMac w/ 96MB RAM (nvram boot-args='srv=1 nbufs=4096' (great trick that!)) and Apache 1.3.4 PS - QTSS works just fine (5-100kbps streams anyway) with 96MB RAM. Let the "narrowcasting" world begin!! From hal at omnigroup.com Tue May 4 11:18:36 1999 From: hal at omnigroup.com (Hal Horton) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:07 2005 Subject: Printing to TCP/IP Message-ID: <199905041819.LAA11925@ignem.omnigroup.com> Hello, Has anyone had any luck printing directly to a tcp/ip printer? I work with Lexmark printers and would like to print to them via tcp. I know you are supposed to select lpr and put in the host name and queue name and use the printers name if there is not a print spool. What printer name are they refering to? Any help would be appriciated. Hal Horton From fan at chem.ucla.edu Tue May 4 11:52:23 1999 From: fan at chem.ucla.edu (Paul S. Fan) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:07 2005 Subject: Printing to TCP/IP Message-ID: <199905041852.LAA22060@krypton.chem.ucla.edu> Hi - > Has anyone had any luck printing directly to a tcp/ip printer? Here is one way that works for us. Create a file $HOME/printcap with the following syntax for your printers. ---------------------------------------------- p5mx: \ :lp:lo=lock:rm=p5mx:rp=p5mx:sd=/var/spool/output/p5mx: \ :ty=HP_LaserJet_5Si:_nxfinalform:note=Net HP LJ5: p5: \ :lp:lo=lock:rm=print_server:rp=p5:sd=/var/spool/output/p5: \ :ty=HP_LaserJet_5Si:_nxfinalform:note=Net2 HP LJ5: ---------------------------------------- p5mx and p5 are the names of the network printers and are hostnames that your machine recognizes. The HP_LaserJet_5Si should match /System/Library/Printers/PPDs/HP/Resources/English.lproj/HP_LaserJet_5Si.ppd The only other difference between the above two printers is that printing to the second one is filtered through a print_server and this is not the case in the first one. The net difference that I know of is that you cannot print text files to the first one from the command line unless you first filter it through a text to ps converter. Now cd to $HOME and do niload printcap . < printcap which will load the printcap info into Netinfo. This should at least get you started printing. Best, Paul From smithja at cs.unc.edu Tue May 4 12:47:01 1999 From: smithja at cs.unc.edu (Jason M. Smith) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:07 2005 Subject: Kerberos and AFS (Arla Project) In-Reply-To: <199905041705.NAA22421@po1.bbn.com> Message-ID: I'm attempting to compile and use an open source AFS client project named Arla . It requires Kerberos, which is included in MOSXS. However, there are some problems... 1) Arla wants Kerberos 4. No problem, thinks I, Krb5 has backwards compatability with krb4. 2) Arla wants some extra tools - kauth comes to mind. Not included with Krb5 on MOSXS. 3) Arla wants some include files - krb.h, for instance. You guessed it, not included with Krb5 on MOSXS, at least that I can find. 4) The above problems could probably be solved by following Arla's advice and downloading kth-krb, however... this package is Kerberos 4. I'd rather not have two simultaneous versions installed, and it seems a bit odd to have to downgrade to run this. Can I install kauth on top of a krb5 installation? Can I use the krb4 krb.h to compile arla running with krb5? I admit up front I'm new to setting this up - I honestly have little idea where Kerberos needs to reside (my client, or the AFS server) for me to use AFS as a client only. I have no interest in becoming an AFS server, I just want to mount some AFS volumes in our dept. Can anyone grant me some help on this? Jason Smith 333 Sitterson Hall smithja@cs.unc.edu (919) 962-1821 ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.cs.unc.edu/~smithja/ From parker at wildmile.com Tue May 4 13:38:59 1999 From: parker at wildmile.com (Parker Beeson) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:07 2005 Subject: QTSS problem, need quick fix... Message-ID: <372F5ADD.5568A060@wildmile.com> I have an iMac running QTSS (updated with latest patch) and have a dummy page set up to test some streaming that we're going to showcase at a local technology fair this weekend. My problem is that the streaming video won't come through. I get audio and a white screen, that's it. I've followed all embedding documentation (scattered and sparse as it is!) and have played with various settings in the QTSS Admin app. My partner suggests that the iMac's 96MB RAM simply isn't enough to handle even one stream.... that couldn't possibly be true could it? I have nvram nbufs set to 4096. Again the audio streams through fine. I also have a regular movie that will http "fast start" stream no problem at 640x480 at over 450K/sec. A little 100kbps stream is going to choke the rtsp??? The rtsp URL opened in QT4 Player does the same thing. Audio, but no video track, just white. I *really* need to get this working by Friday for this technology fair where my little company will be the *only* Apple presence. I really want to make an impact on the local community especially as there will be some RealVideo vendors there. Thoughts? From malcolm at saracen.plsys.co.uk Tue May 4 14:02:56 1999 From: malcolm at saracen.plsys.co.uk (mmalcolm crawford) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:07 2005 Subject: QTSS problem, need quick fix... Message-ID: <199905042103.WAA01769@saracen.plsys.co.uk> > My partner suggests that the iMac's 96MB RAM simply isn't enough to handle > even one stream.... that couldn't possibly be true could it? > No; I'm running it fine on an iMac with 96MB RAM, and an 8600 with 64MB RAM. I presume the movie is hinted? Best wishes, mmalc. From mjwise at kapu.net Tue May 4 14:51:46 1999 From: mjwise at kapu.net (Michael J Wise) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:07 2005 Subject: QTSS problem, need quick fix... In-Reply-To: <372F5ADD.5568A060@wildmile.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 4 May 1999, Parker Beeson wrote: > I have an iMac running QTSS (updated with latest patch) Under MacOS X Server, I assume, yes? > and have a dummy page set up to test some streaming that we're going > to showcase at a local technology fair this weekend. My problem is > that the streaming video won't come through. I get audio and a white > screen, that's it. Are you trying to view it thru QuickTime in MacOS X Server native mode? I wouldn't recommend using the BlueBox, for "Performance" reasons, but. Try viewing it thru another machine running MacOS 8.5.1 and connected thru Ethernet and see what happens. MacOS X Server's version of the QuickTime application doesn't support most of the codecs. The starwars stuff just plays as a white screen with the audio, much like you describe. Aloha mai Nai`a! -- "Please have your Internet License http://kapu.net/~mjwise/ and Usenet Registration handy..." From bauer.w at mausik.de Tue May 4 15:25:21 1999 From: bauer.w at mausik.de (WERNER BAUER) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:07 2005 Subject: QTSS problem, need quick fix... Message-ID: <199905042227.AAA26204@post.webmailer.de> >I have an iMac running QTSS (updated with latest patch) and have a dummy >page set up to test some streaming that we're going to showcase at a >local technology fair this weekend. My problem is that the streaming >video won't come through. I get audio and a white screen, that's it. >I've followed all embedding documentation (scattered and sparse as it >is!) and have played with various settings in the QTSS Admin app. My >partner suggests that the iMac's 96MB RAM simply isn't enough to handle >even one stream.... that couldn't possibly be true could it? I have >nvram nbufs set to 4096. Again the audio streams through fine. I also >have a regular movie that will http "fast start" stream no problem at >640x480 at over 450K/sec. A little 100kbps stream is going to choke the >rtsp??? Just a few tips: - on the QTS server you need 256MB ram. So if the iMac is your server, you have to get more ram quickly. - never run the BlueBox when you want to stream a movie. If you already ran the BlueBox and shutted it down, use the QuickTimeStreamingAdmin to stop the streaming server and start it again. (I had many "Not enough bandwidth errors" when the BlueBox had been running, but was already shutted down.) - use the QuickTime 4 Player or the QuickTime 4 plugin. BTW, the MXS MoviePlayer only can do a few codecs, so I won`t be surprised if the screen stays white. - be sure the movie is coded in a codec your client can decode - make the movie a QuickTime Hinted Movie optimized for server to get the best performance. Use the QuickTime 4 Player to export the movie as such. It might be possible the movie is too big - try cutting down the height and width and try again. You have to export the movie as a QuickTime movie first (with changed height and width), reopen the new movie and export it as streaming. Bye, Werner ______________________________________________________________________ Werner Bauer Technical Director http://www.mausik.de Mausik Systems eMail bauer.w@mausik.de Neuteilweg 15 Phone +49 (0)171 211 37 41 86899 Landsberg am Lech, Germany Fax +49 (0)8191 212 90 ______________________________________________________________________ From kc at omnigroup.com Tue May 4 19:50:35 1999 From: kc at omnigroup.com (Ken Case) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:07 2005 Subject: Quake 2 3Dfx support Message-ID: <199905050250.TAA09281@ignem.omnigroup.com> [Followups should probably go to MacOSX-talk...] > [And a side note here... *This is a VERY important issue, BTW* > - I noticed that OmniGroup's announcement for Quake 3 says they > have it working w/ 3dfx cards (or was I imagining that?). You weren't imagining things... > If this is the case, might I put in an extremely polite BEG for > 3dfx support for the Quake 2 port? Sure. In fact, we demonstrated 3Dfx support for Quake 2 at MacWorld in January, we just can't release it until we release our Glide port (which is also needed before we can release our Quake 3 port). We're very close on this, so stay tuned... By the way, I've also ported a Quake 3 dedicated server: it's been running on X Server on one of our iMacs (with stock 32MB RAM) for most of a week, chewing up less than 1% of the CPU when supporting over a dozen players. Ken From cvoelker at real-net.de Tue May 4 23:38:01 1999 From: cvoelker at real-net.de (Christian Voelker) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:07 2005 Subject: MacOS X install trouble on Umax Pulsar Message-ID: Hello, yesterday I ultimately received my MacOS X Dev. License Pack. Huray! I spent the whole night to install it on my machine, but unfortunately had not so much luck as the many Others reporting successful installation on their machines. Any comments or ideas are welcome. One problem to me is, that I have no supported machine around, to install the System there and ship the disk to my box later. As well, I cant see how installation should work exactly, so I dont know exactly where it fails. I give as much specific HW info as I can and afterwords I tell some of the things Ive trie until now (cant report all, uff). Hey guys, gimme some hint, can you? HW info: Umax Pulsar 604/225 aka Supermac S900/225 in america or Storm Surge in Europe. Its based on the PowerMac 9500 6slot Board. Gestalt ID 67 I made him as "Applish" as I could. This is the actual configuration: ATI Xclaim VR, shipped with the unit; Display attached via adaptor set to Multiple Scan 21"; Interface Card(Serial, Ethernet), shipped with the unit; Nothing attached to serial Ports; 10Base T connected to Netgear Hub; Apple CD-Rom 600i from my Performa at SCSI 0:3; Quantum Fireball 2Gig system disk (only 100 MB free) at SCSI 0:0; Seagate Hawk 1Gig for MacOS X at SCSI 0:1 (successfully reformatted!); Nothing attached to external SCSI bus; Only AppleDesign Keyboard und Desktop Bus Mouse II on ADB; Standard Floppy, Processor Card, 2*64MB Ram (1 bank) + 16MB onboard. Thats all, really! I moved the Yamaha CD-Writer 100 from SCSI 0:4 to 1:4 and finally detached it. I exchanged the Plextor 12Plex drive in favor of the Apple CD 600i. I use the original Apple CD-Rom driver; it is patched, so it does not verify the drive mechanism in use. Detached the Agfa Scanner. Detached the Acer T50 external ISDN Modem from Modem port. Dongles and Wacom tablett were removed from ADB and original Umax keyboard and mouse were exchanged against the Apple Design stuff. I removed my formac proformance Light 40 graphics card as well. There is nothing left or it is no complete machine any longer! What I tried until now: Started up from install CD and started the installer, choose special/Configurations/unsupported and continued determining the disc to install at. The installer then reported that the Startup Disc programm would not function correctly because this is a unsupported machine. Funny enough, this warning message remained in background! It is brought up by a separate utility launched by the installer. The installer then asked me to restart. There was no notice to hold C or anything else. I thought, he would start MacOS X from CD and copy files then, but the screen went dark and no reading or writing could by heard for at least three minutes. Starting from disc again took a very long time. He scratched and scratched. For Safety, I rebuilt the desktop file. I reset the P-Ram several times. I found a notice somewhere to reset nonvolatile Ram as well. I never knew that I have such thing. How can I reset it? Or is it just the same as the P-Ram? I also removed the Power Cord and the battery for half an hour today morning. The install procedure worked the same as before (or did not work, to be exact). I also reformatted the Seagate Hawk determined for MacOS X again with Drive Setup 1.72. After the next trial, the installer reported again, that there is a MacOS X partition at SCSI 0:1 of the same size as before (1010 MB), but now, the partition number was not any longer 3 but 5! any comments? Latest try: My MacOS 8.5 was still a beta release. I upgraded to MacOS 8.51. Unhappily I chose the german version, but I think, it does not matter. Now, it is an unpatched CD-Driver I use, but nothing has changed. Well actually, I have a lot more space on the main drive, beause I have thrown away many things. I also tried a custom install without a MacOS 8.x System image for running the blue box, because I was not shure, whether this software is placed on the HFS+ volume or on the Unix-volume. It didnt help either. Hey, to me, it is a lot of money I spent. And Im so curious! Can anyone help me to get it up and running with my equippment? Dipl.-ing. Christian V?lker Burgunderstra?e 30 36039 Fulda-Bernhards Fon +49-661-962 64 60 Fax +49-661-962 64 69 From thoule at tuna.wesleyan.edu Wed May 5 06:21:10 1999 From: thoule at tuna.wesleyan.edu (todd houle) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:07 2005 Subject: Desktop Files on HFS partition Message-ID: Hi all- I delete the desktop files on my HFS partition, then found that the Blue Box won't let me build new ones... I rebuilt the desktop file on the startup disk images, but that's not good enough for me... Anyone aware of something I should know? thanks -todd- **************************************************************** Todd Houle Wesleyan University, ITS thoule@wesleyan.edu 860-685-3926 Macintosh Specialist ResNet Supervisor From marco at sente.ch Wed May 5 08:26:13 1999 From: marco at sente.ch (Marco Scheurer) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:07 2005 Subject: OSXS on iMac In-Reply-To: <199905032045.QAA12360@digifix.com> References: <199905032045.QAA12360@digifix.com> Message-ID: <199905051526.RAA09881@xlthlx.sente.ch> >Does OSXS run on the new iMac 333 machines? I've not gotten any >reports on the 333Mhz boxes for Stepwise, so I'm not sure if anyone >has tried it or not. It does. We had no installation problems. Marco Scheurer Sen:te From herren at flannet.middlebury.edu Wed May 5 11:06:05 1999 From: herren at flannet.middlebury.edu (David Herren) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:07 2005 Subject: defaults for multiple monitors Message-ID: What is the command to turn on multiple monitors? Situation is this: G3 laptop connected to a projector. The projector does 1024x768 native to match the LCD. I've had this combination working before--exact machines, but now, 1 hour before a presentation, I can't get the display on the external port. Please reply directly as well as to the list... -- David D. Herren www.cet.middlebury.edu/herren Assoc. Dir. for Tech. & Instruction herren@flannet.middlebury.edu Center for Educational Technology voice: (802)443-5746 5 Court Street, Middlebury, VT 05753 fax: (802)443-2053 From jhill at netlab.gmu.edu Wed May 5 09:29:14 1999 From: jhill at netlab.gmu.edu (Jason C. Hill) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:07 2005 Subject: Multiple monitor stuff. Message-ID: <199905051629.MAA06296@netlab.gmu.edu> A good place to go for tips in general if you don't want to wade through the archives at omni-group is: http://www.epicware.com/Tips/index.html This is to add the config for multiple monitors. defaults write NSGlobalDomain NSEnableMultipleMonitors YES Some people just get lucky and they're screens are already setup the way they want, I wasn't so lucky, and this worked for me. The other one about showing the ALL recommendations in the monitor setup for resolutions is: defaults write Preferences NSEnableShowAllDisplayModes YES Remember changes won't take affect until you log out and log back in. Regards, -Jason C. Hill From herren at flannet.middlebury.edu Wed May 5 11:42:15 1999 From: herren at flannet.middlebury.edu (David Herren) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:07 2005 Subject: Multiple monitor stuff. References: <199905051629.MAA06296@netlab.gmu.edu> Message-ID: jhill@netlab.gmu.edu writes: >This is to add the config for multiple monitors. >defaults write NSGlobalDomain NSEnableMultipleMonitors YES >Some people just get lucky and they're screens are already setup the >way they want, I wasn't so lucky, and this worked for me. as root, this didn't work. Any other suggestions? Oddly, when first turned on, the laptop shows the display on the projector for about 5 seconds, with nothing on the internal LCD. Then it switches on the LCD and off the external VGA port... -- David D. Herren www.cet.middlebury.edu/herren Assoc. Dir. for Tech. & Instruction herren@flannet.middlebury.edu Center for Educational Technology voice: (802)443-5746 5 Court Street, Middlebury, VT 05753 fax: (802)443-2053 From tbumgarner at pobox.com Wed May 5 10:02:51 1999 From: tbumgarner at pobox.com (Tim Bumgarner) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:07 2005 Subject: JServ and Apache Message-ID: <1286227110-186732312@macitools.symantec.com> I'm about to try setting up JServ with Apache, but since I'm very new at all of this I thought I'd ping the list to see if anyone else has done this already, and if so if they had any tips/hints/suggestions. Thanks, twb From cdouty at netcom.com Wed May 5 10:11:43 1999 From: cdouty at netcom.com (Chris Douty) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:07 2005 Subject: gcc In-Reply-To: <372A3069.44E81DEE@home.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 30 Apr 1999, David P. Riedel wrote: > The version of gcc that ships with mosx seems to be quite old. has any > one ported the latest version? or are there some tips on what would be > necessary to do this -- i'm a newbie to unix programming/porting. If you're a newbie to porting then you probably don't want to start with gcc unless you're masochistic and know quite a bit about compilers. That said, I'm masochitic but don't know a whole lot about compilers yet am looking at egcs 1.1.2 at the moment. One possibly useful place to start is to examine the differences between the standard gcc 2.7.2.1 and Apple's version. FileMerge.app can be handy here to compare whole directory structures. You will find thousands of changes between the stock gcc and Apple's cc many relating to precompiled headers, "modern Obj-C syntax," and support of the ppc. I am interested in egcs since it is supposed to have much better code generation for the PPC than older versions of gcc. Wouldn't it be nice for the whole machine to run faster by recompiling the "core OS" from the Darwin sources? Ain't there yet. :-| -Chris Douty -- Christopher Douty - Rogue Engineer trapped in a land of software cdouty@netcom.com "Frequently the messages have meaning; that is they refer to or are correlated according to some system with physical or conceptual entities. These semantic aspects of communication are irrelevant to the engineering problem." -Shannon From benster at wenet.net Wed May 5 10:56:33 1999 From: benster at wenet.net (James M. Benster) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:07 2005 Subject: Installing Mac OS X Server on UMAX S900? [2nd try] Message-ID: <199905051755.KAA07112@mom.hooked.net> Hello, On 1999.04.19 I posted the following message. Since that time many more of us have received our installation kits, so I'm trying once more to find out if a UMAX S900 clone can host Mac OS X Server. There's a single report at the XClave site saying that someone has done so successfully. However, I've not been able to get any more info from the Xclave people about this. Any help would be most appreciated. If I succeed, I'll post full details both here and wherever else seems appropriate. --Jim PS: Here's the URL to the Xclave page entitled "Installing MacOS X Server on Unsupported Hardware": http://xclave.macnn.com//Info/MXS-Unsupported.shtml - - - - - Original Message - - - - - - - Hello, I just received my EAP/ADC version of Mac OS X Server. Am having trouble installing it on a UMAX S900 clone. Fails 1st restart: computer is totally unresponsive. Have to zap the PRAM to even get it resume booting the Mac OS 8.5.1. Has anyone succeeded at getting it to install on an S900? Anyone have any hints for me? Thanks! --Jim From kc at omnigroup.com Wed May 5 12:15:09 1999 From: kc at omnigroup.com (Ken Case) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:07 2005 Subject: Quake 3 Test dedicated server is now available Message-ID: <199905051915.MAA28739@ignem.omnigroup.com> You can now download Q3TestDedicatedServer from Omni's ftp site (ftp://ftp.omnigroup.com/pub/software/MacOSX/). Please note that this port isn't supported by id Software, so send any feedback (bug reports, etc.) to Omni (at quake3@omnigroup.com), not to id Software. (Mind you, this isn't a high priority project for us, so while we promise to read your mail we don't guarantee a response.) To unpack the .tar.gz, either double-click on it (if you have Opener.app installed) or go to the command line and type "gnutar xzpf Q3TestDedicatedServer-1999-05-05.tar.gz". Before you can run the server, you'll need to copy the pak0.pk3 file from the Q3Test client distribution to /Local/Library/Quake3/demoq3/pak0.pk3. Note that the clients won't find your server until you load a map. You can either do this by typing "map q3test1" or "map q3test2" in the console, or by starting the server with a command-line parameter to load the map immediately (e.g. "Q3TestDedicatedServer +map q3test2"). (I apologize for the lack of documentation--not even a simple web page!--but I'm really swamped at the moment.) Enjoy! Ken From cvoelker at real-net.de Wed May 5 16:09:03 1999 From: cvoelker at real-net.de (Christian Voelker) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:07 2005 Subject: Installing Mac OS X Server on UMAX S900? [2nd try] In-Reply-To: <199905051755.KAA07112@mom.hooked.net> Message-ID: Hello, my posting on Umax Pulsar is on the same CPU and the same problem. It is the german name of this machine. Lets stay in contact. I just killed the machine when composing a very detailed response to you that was not saved! GRrr. Im too tired to tell it all again. But so far, there is a chance that the ATI XClaimVR residing at slot two is the reason. Which card do you use? My other board is a formac Proformance Lite with Imagine III chip sold as NumberNine in america afaik. I removed it and did not try it until now. The other hot candidate is the mainboard with its SCSI controllers and its ROM. It is slightly different from a 9500 with only 8 DIMMslots and the Cuda resetter in the rear bottom corner under the PCIslots. But that would mean no MacOS X for the next months, I cant bear this. The disc drives are not very likely to be the reason in my case. One has Apple Firmware and I tried two other drives as second, a Quantum Atlas and a Seagate Hawk, both as destination disk or for MacOS 8.5. I tried two Apple CD600i drives. ADB devices were Apple as well. everything else removed Another component that could be easily changed is the processor card, but there should be a clear hint that the processor might be the cause. There are eight jumpers on the processor card for bus speed and so on. I dont know how they work exactly, do you? bus speed seems to be 225/5=45MHz. Might this be a point? Every part of the list that is known to work fine under other circumstances or having been identified as the reason of installation trouble would be appreciated to be reported. Elder videoboards that work fine and are available cheap should be mentioned as well. Thanks, Christian Dipl.-ing. Christian V?lker Burgunderstra?e 30 36039 Fulda-Bernhards Fon +49-661-962 64 60 Fax +49-661-962 64 69 From markn at seinesys.com Wed May 5 19:01:38 1999 From: markn at seinesys.com (Mark Nichols) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:07 2005 Subject: defaults for multiple monitors Message-ID: <010a01be9764$614295b0$388290cc@markst8000.seinesys.com> Epic Ware has some good general tips on configuring MacOS X Server. http://www.epicware.com/Tips/index.html There is a bref there mentioning how to set up more than one monitor. http://www.epicware.com/Tips/monitorpreferences.html Mark -----Original Message----- From: David Herren To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Wednesday, May 05, 1999 10:03 AM Subject: defaults for multiple monitors >What is the command to turn on multiple monitors? Situation is this: G3 laptop connected to a projector. The projector does 1024x768 native to match the LCD. > >I've had this combination working before--exact machines, but now, 1 hour before a presentation, I can't get the display on the external port. > >Please reply directly as well as to the list... > >-- >David D. Herren www.cet.middlebury.edu/herren >Assoc. Dir. for Tech. & Instruction herren@flannet.middlebury.edu >Center for Educational Technology voice: (802)443-5746 >5 Court Street, Middlebury, VT 05753 fax: (802)443-2053 > From andrew at omnigroup.com Wed May 5 19:08:30 1999 From: andrew at omnigroup.com (Andrew Abernathy) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:07 2005 Subject: Quake 3 Test dedicated server is now available Message-ID: <199905060208.TAA19264@ignem.omnigroup.com> Just to follow up on Ken's post, we now have a web page set up for the Q3Test dedicated server: http://www.omnigroup.com/Software/Quake3/ -andrew From markn at seinesys.com Wed May 5 19:08:00 1999 From: markn at seinesys.com (Mark Nichols) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:07 2005 Subject: bind on MacOS X Message-ID: <012001be9765$44d78a60$388290cc@markst8000.seinesys.com> Has anyone configured bind on MacOS X. I got the server started up with some basic configs but still could not get the service to respond to requests. I'm guessing that it's NetInfo's fault/config issue. Any one had any luck getting a DNS server to run on OSX? Mark -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /mailman/archive/macosx-admin/attachments/19990505/04ac36f2/attachment.html From chad at pengar.com Wed May 5 19:17:12 1999 From: chad at pengar.com (Chad Leigh, Pengar Enterprises, Inc. and Shire.Net LLC) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:07 2005 Subject: MacOSX Sv on iMac > 1024x768 with external monitor? Message-ID: <26361199.3134931432@imac.beebe.mk> With some simple hw hacking an external monitor can be used with an imac in replacement of the internal. Will MacOS X Server on an iMac support greater than 1024x768 resolution on an external monitor? Anyone try this? Thanks Chad Pengar Enterprises, Inc. and Shire.Net LLC Web and Macintosh Consulting -- full service web hosting Chad Leigh chad@pengar.com chad@shire.net From mjwise at kapu.net Wed May 5 22:53:17 1999 From: mjwise at kapu.net (Michael J Wise) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:07 2005 Subject: bind on MacOS X In-Reply-To: <012001be9765$44d78a60$388290cc@markst8000.seinesys.com> Message-ID: Hmmm. Blank message, or at least so it looked from here. To answer what I think you're asking, check out: http://www.isc.org/bind.html Aloha mai Nai`a! -- "Please have your Internet License http://kapu.net/~mjwise/ and Usenet Registration handy..." From sanguish at digifix.com Wed May 5 23:45:34 1999 From: sanguish at digifix.com (Scott Anguish) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:07 2005 Subject: bind on MacOS X In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <199905060645.CAA25634@digifix.com> Michael J Wise wrote: > Hmmm. > > Blank message, or at least so it looked from here. HTML enclosure.. Stupid MS product.. His message was.... Has anyone configured bind on MacOS X. I got the server started up with some basic configs but still could not get the service to respond to requests. I'm guessing that it's NetInfo's fault/config issue. Any one had any luck getting a DNS server to run on OSX? From mjwise at kapu.net Thu May 6 00:35:06 1999 From: mjwise at kapu.net (Michael J Wise) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:07 2005 Subject: bind on MacOS X In-Reply-To: <199905060645.CAA25634@digifix.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 5 May 1999, Scott Anguish peeked in /var/mail and translated: > Has anyone configured bind on MacOS X. I got the server started up with some > basic configs but still could not get the service to respond to requests. > I'm guessing that it's NetInfo's fault/config issue. Any one had any luck > getting a DNS server to run on OSX? No, not yet. I'd gather that it's supposed to be listening on port 53, and that it should have something in /etc/startup, but...? Sorreee... Aloha mai Nai`a (whos next trick is gonna be INN 2.2, having shuffled Apache to the back burner, unfortunately...) ! -- "Please have your Internet License http://kapu.net/~mjwise/ and Usenet Registration handy..." From commlink at primenet.com Thu May 6 01:12:52 1999 From: commlink at primenet.com (Drew Janssen) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:07 2005 Subject: bind on MacOS X - YES! Message-ID: In an email of 5/6/99 0:35 -0700, Michael J Wise mentioned: > > Has anyone configured bind on MacOS X. I got the server started >up with some > > basic configs but still could not get the service to respond to requests. > > I'm guessing that it's NetInfo's fault/config issue. Any one had any luck > > getting a DNS server to run on OSX? > >No, not yet. I'd gather that it's supposed to be listening on port 53, and >that it should have something in /etc/startup, but...? > > Sorreee... ------------ Yes! It took two of us, working from two different locations (Texas and Maryland), but by golly we did it. Let's not kid ourselves that it was *easy* but it's done. *whew* And now we have Sendmail about 95% complete. Samba is all done and running, too. What a long strange trip it has been, tho. And here's encouragement for everyone: I ain't no Unix programmer, neither. Ok, ok, I used to be a sysadmin, but not a very good one. HINT: The O'Reilly books are helpful, in a way, and so is a Unix-conversant friend. For page service, I am running WebTen 4, which is intended for OS X. Geez, am I tired. Fingers feel like lead. I'm outta here, but back tomorrow. //Drew '`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'` Drew Janssen, Wearer of Many Hats.... ------------------------------------------------------------------ Hat #1: | Hat #2: Website Designer, Webmaster, & | Cartoonist (!) Mac-based Web Host sysadmin | See my stuff at: running the OS X Server, which | http://www.nowonder.com and has less documentation than a | http://www.fivestones.com pack of gum | Your comments appreciated. ** Custom Website Design ** | email: drewj@nowonder.com '`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'` From stoneci at aplcomm.jhuapl.edu Thu May 6 12:09:22 1999 From: stoneci at aplcomm.jhuapl.edu (Chris Stone) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:07 2005 Subject: QuickTime Streaming Message-ID: <0FBB00DFZRVN1Z@houston.jhuapl.edu> I am still having problems with streaming. I can connect to the server and stream a movie by using the "Open URL" option in the QuickTime Movie Player. My problem is the html that spawns the QuickTime Movie Player when a user clicks on a link. I have tried creating a reference file on my machine which points to the .mov file. When I click on the link, the reference file is downloaded to the local disk, Movie Player launches, and then I get a dialog complaining that the file is not a movie. Help? Chris Stone Systems Admin The Johns Hopkins University Applied Physics Lab From mjwise at kapu.net Thu May 6 14:50:41 1999 From: mjwise at kapu.net (Michael J Wise) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:07 2005 Subject: UNIX commands "top" and "host"... Message-ID: Anyone know where the source for the "top" and "host" commands can be found? They would seem to be part of the BSDI distribution, 'cause they're at work, but. "top" displays the top process hogs on the system, like the ProcessViewer, but can be run at a distance. (8-) "host" does a DNS lookup in a much simpler way than nslookup. I could live without this one, I guess, or could write something in AWK to simulate it. Or PERL. But would prefer to just download and compile, if possible. Aloha mai Nai`a! -- "Please have your Internet License http://kapu.net/~mjwise/ and Usenet Registration handy..." From cvoelker at real-net.de Thu May 6 15:10:55 1999 From: cvoelker at real-net.de (Christian Voelker) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:07 2005 Subject: Install MacOS X on Umax S900 follow up Message-ID: Thank you for your replies. I will go on testing the weekend. I was always happy not to be confronted with something awkward as BIOS configuration on the Mac - now Im happy that I played with it sometimes on Win boxes. And yes, Ive seen a configuration utility for OpenFirmware params in a PPC-Linux distribution some month ago. I hope at least that I will be able to report more precisely what is going on. I could not choose the MacOS X disk in the System disc tool, perhaps because there is no system on that disc at all. But, as you suggested Id just like to tell him to try starting from it just to see him failing to do so but potentially getting some more infos about the reason. Can you tell me something more about Open Firmware syntax? For boot device, it writes for example scsi-int/@3,0:0 and as boot file scsi-int/@3,0:b,mach_kernel I read this as: scsi-int/ = SCSI-bus 0 @3,0 = SCSI id 3, but was does the 0 mean? It is redundant information if it refers to the SCSI-bus or not? :0 = partition 0; this would imply that :b in the second is to be read as a hex number 11, because it is partition 11 where Mac OS X Server resides on the CD Booting from CD doesnt bring me up to the OpenFirmware boot prompt, so I try to boot from the fresh (still empty) UFS-formatted disc. Oh, and please, can you send me a mail with the output of dir /chaos from the MacOS Server CD-Rom? This seems to be the path where it looks for its generic video driver, maybe this reveals something more related to my concern about the graphics board being unsupported. The other components should definetly be sufficient (144 Mge Ram, all drives SCSI devices), allbeit not the right ones. Christian >Never take a candid-cookie from a stranger. Id even take more.. ;-) Dipl.-ing. Christian V?lker Burgunderstra?e 30 36039 Fulda-Bernhards Fon +49-661-962 64 60 Fax +49-661-962 64 69 From tdrolson at php.ucsf.edu Thu May 6 15:21:43 1999 From: tdrolson at php.ucsf.edu (Tony Drolson) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:07 2005 Subject: Internships available at San Francisco General Hospital Message-ID: <12DC09EF705BD2118C7200A0C9C83AE8278058@sfaids.ucsf.edu> > The Positive Health Program at San Francisco General Hospital Medical > Center is seeking volunteers interested in developing and exercising their > skills in several Information Technology internship projects. > > Currently, we are seeking skilled volunteers and students interested in > learning and developing skills with: > > MacOS X Server (BSD Unix 4.4, OpenStep) > YellowBox for Windows NT and Solaris > WebObjects and YellowBox development > OpenBase and Microsoft SQL Server database servers > Solaris, Windows NT and Mac OS X integration > Web design and graphic artists > > As a nonprofit group and an educational institution, the Positive Health > Program can provide interns and volunteers with modern tools and resources > to learn and develop cutting-edge skills. 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Volunteers and > interns are always welcome! > > For more information, please contact: > > Tony Drolson > Information Systems Director > UCSF Positive Health Program at SFGH-MC > 995 Potrero Ave, Ward 84 fax (415) 476-6953 > San Francisco, CA 94110 phone (415) 476-4082 ext. 123 > > > From rcfa at cubiculum.com Thu May 6 16:04:43 1999 From: rcfa at cubiculum.com (Ronald C.F. Antony) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:07 2005 Subject: Install MacOS X on Umax S900 follow up In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <199905062304.TAA19769@kannix.cubiculum.com> > @3,0 = SCSI id 3, but was does the 0 mean? Probably* LUN (Logical Unit Number). Each SCSI device can have a target and a logical unit number. Theoretically, thus, a SCSI device could have up to 8 sub-systems. In practice, this is hardly ever used. e.g. imagine for a moment a SCSI interface to an IDE controller. You could then access the master and slave disks on the IDE controller as LUN 0 and LUN 1, both with the same SCSI ID. Again, for all practical purposes, this is irrelevant, and always 0. Ronald *if the syntax is anyhow related to the way boot devices are specified under NeXTSTEP/OPENSTEP. ============================================================================== "The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man." G.B. Shaw | rcfa@cubiculum.com | NeXT-mail welcome From cvoelker at real-net.de Thu May 6 16:50:27 1999 From: cvoelker at real-net.de (Christian Voelker) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:07 2005 Subject: Install MacOS X on Umax S900 follow up 2nd Message-ID: Hello, just found a hint on info.apple.com that the design keyboard could be part of the reason. Both Apple Keyboards are Have are of the type described there as not sending commands to boot into Open Firmware correctly. So, I switched back to my Umax keyboard, but it might be of the same breed internally, although located in a considerable different housing. Actually it didnt solve anything. I just printed out the Network server OpenFirmware manual which mentions a startup option of command-alternate-O-F to boot into Open Firmware. Doesnt work here. Is it known to work on any usual Mac? PLease, just try it all you, it will only take you a second or so at next restart (Obviously not on production machines, dont bash me for anything going wrong PLEASE). Changed back to my "ticket to ride" graphics board which features a jumper "disable/enable VGA". Any comment towards this? MacOS 8.x doesnt show up on the screen in the VGA enabled mode, but starts as usual. Still movin on, yeah, yeah Christian From herren at flannet.middlebury.edu Thu May 6 21:53:56 1999 From: herren at flannet.middlebury.edu (David Herren) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:07 2005 Subject: QuickTime Streaming References: <0FBB00DFZRVN1Z@houston.jhuapl.edu> Message-ID: stoneci@aplcomm.jhuapl.edu writes: >I am still having problems with streaming. I can connect to the >server and stream a movie by using the "Open URL" option in the >QuickTime Movie Player. My problem is the html that spawns the >QuickTime Movie Player when a user clicks on a link. >I have tried creating a reference file on my machine which points to >the .mov file. When I click on the link, the reference file is >downloaded to the local disk, Movie Player launches, and then I get a >dialog complaining that the file is not a movie. Help? What OS are you trying to play the movies on? Remember that MacOS X Server does not _play_ quicktime 4.0 movies--it only serves them. To play QT4 movies, you'll need to use MacOS8 or windows with the QT4 install. -- David D. Herren www.cet.middlebury.edu/herren Assoc. Dir. for Tech. & Instruction herren@flannet.middlebury.edu Center for Educational Technology voice: (802)443-5746 5 Court Street, Middlebury, VT 05753 fax: (802)443-2053 From cmcquinn at math.purdue.edu Thu May 6 20:25:09 1999 From: cmcquinn at math.purdue.edu (Chad J McQuinn) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:07 2005 Subject: Install MacOS X on Umax S900 follow up In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: C. Voelker writes: >Can you tell me something more about Open Firmware syntax? > >For boot device, it writes for example > scsi-int/@3,0:0 I don't know what the middle zero is about--off the top of my head I thought the syntax should be: scsi-int/@a,a:b where 'a' is the scsi ID and 'b' is the partition number. Two notes: 1) b should be zero, no matter which partition actually has the secondary booter. This is due to general OF flakiness. 2) scsi-int is the internal scsi bus of the PCI macs that came with more than one (internal and external) installed. 'scsi' is the external bus on such machines. Maybe the extra zero is actually a LUN instead of a repeated device number; I can't say for sure. >and as boot file > scsi-int/@3,0:b,mach_kernel > >I read this as: > scsi-int/ = SCSI-bus 0 Did the Umax we're talking about come with separate internal and external scsi busses? If not then you should be using just "scsi", whether the physical drive is internal or not. > > @3,0 = SCSI id 3, but was does the 0 mean? >It is redundant information if it refers to the SCSI-bus or not? I've always seen it as zero, but I've also always used drives at ID 0 for booting rhapsody and linux so I always assumed, perhaps wrongly, that it was just the ID repeated. > :0 = partition 0; this would imply that > :b in the second is to be read as a hex number 11, >because it is partition 11 where Mac OS X Server resides on the CD The last number is definitely the partition number; I wasn't aware it used hex because I never got up that high. This may be the problem (or one of them at least). I can't boot MOSXS from a 7300 (not the same machine, I know) unless it comes before any other (user-installed) partitions. >Booting from CD doesnt bring me up to the OpenFirmware boot prompt, >so I try to boot from the fresh (still empty) UFS-formatted disc. You could also try the linuxppc program "bootvars" for playing with OF settings. It boots MOSXS just fine for me, and is much more convenient than System Disk. It allows you to stop the boot process at the OF prompt and then issue the 'boot' command from there, so you can watch more carefully what goes on. >Oh, and please, can you send me a mail with the output of > >dir /chaos from the MacOS Server CD-Rom? '/chaos' isn't an actual directory on a filesystem. It refers to (at least part of) the PCI subsystem. For example, on the 7300 I mentioned, '/chaos/control' refers to built-in video. >This seems to be the path where it looks for its generic video >driver, maybe this reveals something more related to my concern >about the graphics board being unsupported. Probably another source of trouble, yes... Hope this helps, -Chad From stephen.maclean at snet.net Thu May 6 21:00:54 1999 From: stephen.maclean at snet.net (Steve MacLean) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:07 2005 Subject: Broken System Folder on boot Message-ID: Hi Folks, I did a stupid thing, and now I get the broken folder icon at boot. I know OSXS is still on it's partition, however the partition number is now changed. Hard Disk Tool Kit consolidated free space during a format of a HFS+ partition:( What do I need to do in the System Disk application in MacOS to get OSXS to boot from the correct partition? Or do I re-install? TIA, Steve MacLean From ryan at omnigroup.com Thu May 6 22:18:12 1999 From: ryan at omnigroup.com (Ryan Dingman) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:07 2005 Subject: UNIX commands "top" and "host"... Message-ID: <199905070518.WAA28120@tapeworm.omnigroup.com> > Anyone know where the source for the "top" and "host" commands can be > found? They would seem to be part of the BSDI distribution, 'cause they're > at work, but. > > "top" displays the top process hogs on the system, like the ProcessViewer, > but can be run at a distance. (8-) Yes, a binary and source package is available at http://www.primenet.com/~andrewt/files/macosx-top-3.4.tar.gz The binary was made under DR2 so you may want to recompile it. > "host" does a DNS lookup in a much simpler way than nslookup. I could live > without this one, I guess, or could write something in AWK to simulate it. > Or PERL. But would prefer to just download and compile, if possible. No idea if this is ported to MacOS X Server yet. If I come across it I'll let you know. Hope this helps. ryan -- Ryan Dingman Omni Development, Inc. ryan@omnigroup.com From s.doyle at cowan.edu.au Thu May 6 23:13:27 1999 From: s.doyle at cowan.edu.au (Steven Doyle) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:07 2005 Subject: MailingList Software Message-ID: <19990507141327.030237@139.230.169.11> Hi All! We're looking at using our new X box (we in fact have 2 now!) as a mailing list server, in the hope that it will be more robust than LetterRip on a Mac! I am aware that majordomo is the old, but trusted solution in the unix world, however i am a tad worried about its admin features or lack there of. I know *nothing* about setting up sendmail etc at a unix level, however I assume that X at of the box does have a sendmail type feature and the mailing list software slaps on the top of that. Had anyone set up anything similair or have any advice/reference points for me :) Cheers, Steve ========================================= Steven Doyle. B.Psych.Dip.Ed School of Communications and Multimedia Edith Cowan University. Perth. Australia ========================================= [e] s.doyle@cowan.edu.au From sanguish at digifix.com Thu May 6 23:22:34 1999 From: sanguish at digifix.com (Scott Anguish) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:07 2005 Subject: MailingList Software In-Reply-To: <19990507141327.030237@139.230.169.11> References: <19990507141327.030237@139.230.169.11> Message-ID: <199905070622.CAA05158@digifix.com> Steven Doyle wrote: > Hi All! > We're looking at using our new X box (we in fact have 2 now!) as > a mailing list server, in the hope that it will be more robust than > LetterRip on a Mac! > > I am aware that majordomo is the old, but trusted solution in the unix > world, however i am a tad worried about its admin features or lack there > of. > > I know *nothing* about setting up sendmail etc at a unix level, however I > assume that X at of the box does have a sendmail type feature and the > mailing list software slaps on the top of that. > Yep. > Had anyone set up anything similair or have any advice/reference points > for me :) > I've used a combo of procmail/SmartList here for years, and it has worked fine... its separate from the whole sendmail setup... If you're looking for something with more support.. look at CommuniGate Pro. Its a full mail package, and has support for mailing lists. From benster at wenet.net Thu May 6 23:47:11 1999 From: benster at wenet.net (James M. Benster) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:07 2005 Subject: Broken System Folder on boot Message-ID: <199905070645.XAA18229@mom.hooked.net> Steve MacLean wrote: >I did a stupid thing, and now I get the broken folder icon at boot. > >I know OSXS is still on it's partition, however the partition number is now >changed. Hard Disk Tool Kit consolidated free space during a format of a >HFS+ partition:( > >What do I need to do in the System Disk application in MacOS to get OSXS to >boot from the correct partition? > >Or do I re-install? A general comment: I called FWB last week re their Hard Disk Toolkit. Their tech support person was adamant that I couldn't use HDT in conjunction with Mac OS X Server and recommended that I reformat all of my drives using Apple's Disk Setup 1.6.2. (They are working with Apple to correct the situation, but no date proffered for the fix.) I can understand having to use Apple's driver for the partition/disk that MXS will be using, but don't see why I have to reformat my other, external drives, which will be HFS+ exclusively, and mostly used for Mac OS 8.5.1 (and possibly Blue Box). However, I did as I was advised, but since I have a UMAX S900, I haven't been able to install MXS at all, and thus have no way to test what I was told by FWB. I do know that my disk I/O (under Mac OS 8.5.1) is now about 50% of what it was using the HDT driver... sigh. Thus, with respect to the question you pose above, it would seem to me that you'll have to reformat your entire drive using Apple's driver. --Jim From mjwise at kapu.net Thu May 6 23:54:51 1999 From: mjwise at kapu.net (Michael J Wise) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:07 2005 Subject: MailingList Software In-Reply-To: <199905070622.CAA05158@digifix.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 6 May 1999, Scott Anguish wrote: > I've used a combo of procmail/SmartList here for years, and it has > worked fine... its separate from the whole sendmail setup... Works like dream. I think you have to edit the LDFLAGS= to remove the -s, but other than that, installed like a dream. Free. http://www.procmail.org/ Aloha mai Nai`a! -- "Please have your Internet License http://kapu.net/~mjwise/ and Usenet Registration handy..." From Gowrynath.Sivaganeshamoorthy at Cycosmos.DE Fri May 7 01:34:39 1999 From: Gowrynath.Sivaganeshamoorthy at Cycosmos.DE (Gowrynath.Sivaganeshamoorthy@Cycosmos.DE) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:07 2005 Subject: Using Windows NT Shares Message-ID: <610B7C17E411D211A10500A024A9369C1CC49E@EXCHANGE> Hi all, I have a small Problem regarding the MacOS X. I hope you can help me to solve this Problem. We have an Primary Domain Controller under WinNT running. That Box is our Fileserver too. Now my question. How can I mount or just use the Shares from the WinNT machine? With regards, -- Gowrynath Sivaganeshamoorthy ID Media AG Network/UNIX/Deployment Administration Weidenallee 37a Ph: +49.40.431348.0 / Fx: +49.40.431348.23 22357 Hamburg http://www.cycosmos.com http://www.idgruppe.de From stoneci at aplcomm.jhuapl.edu Fri May 7 05:05:28 1999 From: stoneci at aplcomm.jhuapl.edu (Chris Stone) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:07 2005 Subject: QuickTime Streaming Message-ID: <0FBD00K8K2X5EQ@houston.jhuapl.edu> > > stoneci@aplcomm.jhuapl.edu writes: > >I am still having problems with streaming. I can connect to the > >server and stream a movie by using the "Open URL" option in the > >QuickTime Movie Player. My problem is the html that spawns the > >QuickTime Movie Player when a user clicks on a link. > > >I have tried creating a reference file on my machine which points to > >the .mov file. When I click on the link, the reference file is > >downloaded to the local disk, Movie Player launches, and then I get a > >dialog complaining that the file is not a movie. Help? > > What OS are you trying to play the movies on? Remember that MacOS X Server does not > _play_ quicktime 4.0 movies--it only serves them. The QuickTime Player on OS X Server does not have an "Open URL" item in the file menu. > > To play QT4 movies, you'll need to use MacOS8 or windows with the QT4 install. You don't say. I was trying to avoid too much detal, but here goes. On the OS X Server: I have a hinted, flat movie in the /Movies directory. I put a text file called "movieref.mov" in the same directory as the html page. The text file contains the following line. "rtsptext rtsp://xxxxxx.jhuapl.edu/movie.mov" I added a link in the default OS X web page for a "test movie" page. The test movie page is blank except for this line. On the Macintosh Client (OS 8.5.1) When I connect to the web page with Internet Explorer, I get the broken movie icon in the page. If I launch QuickTime Player 4, select the file menu, and select "Open URL..." and then enter "rtsp://xxxxxx.jhuapl.edu/movie.mov" and hit return, the movie starts streaming. Help? Chris Stone From ellis at nfts-createc.org.uk Fri May 7 05:15:10 1999 From: ellis at nfts-createc.org.uk (Ellis Pritchard) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:07 2005 Subject: Using Windows NT Shares References: <610B7C17E411D211A10500A024A9369C1CC49E@EXCHANGE> Message-ID: <3732D94E.663C48A0@nfts-createc.org.uk> Hi, > I have a small Problem regarding the MacOS X. I hope you can > help me to solve this Problem. > > We have an Primary Domain Controller under WinNT running. > That Box is our Fileserver too. Now my question. > > How can I mount or just use the Shares from the WinNT machine? Use Sharity; http://www.obdev.at/ . Sharity is the commercial version, there also exists Sharity Light which is free but limited in some ways; it may be enough for your purposes though. Ellis. From stephen.maclean at snet.net Fri May 7 06:22:43 1999 From: stephen.maclean at snet.net (Stephen MacLean) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:07 2005 Subject: Broken System Folder on boot Message-ID: Thanks for the tidbit. That maybe why I had the original problem: Not being able to share a drive under AFS. The partition was formatted as HFS+ and show up as such under 8.5.x. However, when OSXS, it showed up in the work space as a HFS formatted drive. This made no sense to me at the time, and I was trying to reformat the partition again as HFS+ when this happened. Now that I think about it, the separate hard drive I have for Mac OS did the same thing. HFS+ under Mac OS and HFS under OSXS. Hmmm. Anyone else have this problem? Best, Steve MacLean ---------- >From: "James M. Benster" > Steve MacLean wrote: > >>I did a stupid thing, and now I get the broken folder icon at boot. >> >>I know OSXS is still on it's partition, however the partition number is now >>changed. Hard Disk Tool Kit consolidated free space during a format of a >>HFS+ partition:( >> >>What do I need to do in the System Disk application in MacOS to get OSXS to >>boot from the correct partition? >> >>Or do I re-install? > > A general comment: I called FWB last week re their Hard Disk Toolkit. > Their tech support person was adamant that I couldn't use HDT in > conjunction with Mac OS X Server and recommended that I reformat all of > my drives using Apple's Disk Setup 1.6.2. (They are working with Apple to > correct the situation, but no date proffered for the fix.) > > I can understand having to use Apple's driver for the partition/disk that > MXS will be using, but don't see why I have to reformat my other, > external drives, which will be HFS+ exclusively, and mostly used for Mac > OS 8.5.1 (and possibly Blue Box). However, I did as I was advised, but > since I have a UMAX S900, I haven't been able to install MXS at all, and > thus have no way to test what I was told by FWB. I do know that my disk > I/O (under Mac OS 8.5.1) is now about 50% of what it was using the HDT > driver... sigh. > > Thus, with respect to the question you pose above, it would seem to me > that you'll have to reformat your entire drive using Apple's driver. > > --Jim > From Dionysos at Dionysia.org Fri May 7 08:19:59 1999 From: Dionysos at Dionysia.org (Dan Delaney) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:07 2005 Subject: UNIX commands "top" and "host"... In-Reply-To: <199905070518.WAA28120@tapeworm.omnigroup.com> Message-ID: > > Anyone know where the source for the "top" and "host" commands can be > > found? They would seem to be part of the BSDI distribution, 'cause > > they're at work, but. It looks like the host command is a part of the bind package, which makes me wonder why Apple didn't include it when they DID include named. Hmmmmm. If you download bind (www.isc.org/bind.html) there should be a copy of host with it. -- Dan __________________________________________________________________________ Daniel G. Delaney Dionysos@Dionysia.org www.Dionysia.org/~dionysos From jray at postoffice.ag.ohio-state.edu Fri May 7 08:27:06 1999 From: jray at postoffice.ag.ohio-state.edu (John Ray) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:07 2005 Subject: Running a program before workspace.app starts? Message-ID: I seem to remember seeing something about this, but I'm not sure where... Is it possible (and how do you do it :) ) to have a program run upon login... before Workspace.app starts ? Thanks for any pointers! John Ray Sys Dev/Eng, OSUE From jao_vandelagemaat at nrel.gov Fri May 7 08:29:36 1999 From: jao_vandelagemaat at nrel.gov (van de Lagemaat, Jao) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:07 2005 Subject: QuickTime Streaming Message-ID: Dear Chris, > I was trying to avoid too much detal, but here goes. > > On the OS X Server: > I have a hinted, flat movie in the /Movies directory. > So far so good.. > I put a text file called "movieref.mov" in the same > directory as the html page. The text file contains the following > line. > "rtsptext rtsp://xxxxxx.jhuapl.edu/movie.mov" > Unfortunately this does not work (allthough it would be great if it did!). The way you have to do this is on the machine that has QT4 installed (macos or windows) you open your streaming file using open URL, now you save the movie from the file menu. You get a .mov file that refers to your stream. Upload this to your server, and put it in your webdocuments folder. This does work also as embedded movie. Hope this helps Dr. Jao van de Lagemaat Basic Sciences Center National Renewable Energy Laboratory 1617 Cole Boulevard Golden, Colorado 80401-3393 USA Phone: (303) 384-6143 Fax: (303) 384-6150 E-mail: jao_vandelagemaat@nrel.gov WWW: http://jvandel2.nrel.gov From lux at umich.edu Fri May 7 09:24:27 1999 From: lux at umich.edu (Joshua Marker) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:07 2005 Subject: Terminal with OmniWeb? Message-ID: Sometimes when a user runs OmniWeb - and to date, I _believe_ only OmniWeb - a terminal pops up, displaying the feedback that usually goes to the console. Do I have a bit turned sideways somewhere? --- Joshua (lux) * Kalamazoo: 616 / 337.7479 Sorting out my life. . . .in O(n lg n). You play, you win. You play, you lose. You play. -- Winterson --- From asen at dti.net Fri May 7 10:20:12 1999 From: asen at dti.net (Anders Sensenig) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:07 2005 Subject: Terminal with OmniWeb? Message-ID: <199905071721.NAA00931@localhost> It would be a cool trick if Apple included a class NSTerminal built right into AppKit. The version in the latest OmniWeb beta was a fine example, though... > Sometimes when a user runs OmniWeb - and to date, I _believe_ only > OmniWeb - a terminal pops up, displaying the feedback that usually > goes to > the console. Do I have a bit turned sideways somewhere? > From herren at flannet.middlebury.edu Fri May 7 12:46:10 1999 From: herren at flannet.middlebury.edu (David Herren) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:07 2005 Subject: QuickTime Streaming References: <0FBD00K8K2X5EQ@houston.jhuapl.edu> Message-ID: stoneci@aplcomm.jhuapl.edu writes: >On the Macintosh Client (OS 8.5.1) > When I connect to the web page with Internet Explorer, I get >the broken movie icon in the page. > If I launch QuickTime Player 4, select the file menu, and >select "Open URL..." and then enter > "rtsp://xxxxxx.jhuapl.edu/movie.mov" and hit return, the >movie starts streaming. SOunds to me as if QT4 isn't installed for Internet Exploder.... -- David D. Herren www.cet.middlebury.edu/herren Assoc. Dir. for Tech. & Instruction herren@flannet.middlebury.edu Center for Educational Technology voice: (802)443-5746 5 Court Street, Middlebury, VT 05753 fax: (802)443-2053 From herren at flannet.middlebury.edu Fri May 7 12:48:00 1999 From: herren at flannet.middlebury.edu (David Herren) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:07 2005 Subject: QuickTime Streaming References: Message-ID: jao_vandelagemaat@nrel.gov writes: >> I put a text file called "movieref.mov" in the same >> directory as the html page. The text file contains the following >> line. >> "rtsptext rtsp://xxxxxx.jhuapl.edu/movie.mov" >> >Unfortunately this does not work (allthough it would be great if it did!). >The way you have to do this is on the machine that has QT4 installed (macos >or windows) you open your streaming file using open URL, now you save the >movie from the file menu. You get a .mov file that refers to your stream. >Upload this to your server, and put it in your webdocuments folder. This >does work also as embedded movie. >Hope this helps Hmmm. This works just fine for us--it's how we do virtually all of the movies for web pages. OF course this assumes that in the above example, xxxxxxx is actually the machine. -- David D. Herren www.cet.middlebury.edu/herren Assoc. Dir. for Tech. & Instruction herren@flannet.middlebury.edu Center for Educational Technology voice: (802)443-5746 5 Court Street, Middlebury, VT 05753 fax: (802)443-2053 From herren at flannet.middlebury.edu Fri May 7 12:50:08 1999 From: herren at flannet.middlebury.edu (David Herren) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:07 2005 Subject: limit number of files for QT4 streaming? Message-ID: A colleague here seems to believe there is a 250 file limit to the number of files that a QTstreaming server can serve. He says that there cannot be more than 250 movies on the server (and that's why they should spend $30,000 on another solution). I have seen nor heard of any such limitation. Can anyone verify or dispute this? -- David D. Herren www.cet.middlebury.edu/herren Assoc. Dir. for Tech. & Instruction herren@flannet.middlebury.edu Center for Educational Technology voice: (802)443-5746 5 Court Street, Middlebury, VT 05753 fax: (802)443-2053 From markn at seinesys.com Fri May 7 10:54:57 1999 From: markn at seinesys.com (Mark Nichols) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:07 2005 Subject: UNIX commands "top" and "host"... Message-ID: <009e01be98b2$b8e07130$388290cc@markst8000.seinesys.com> I usually start buy looking through the BSD sites listed at www.bsd.org. I also sometimes have luck doing searches in standard search engines since their robots tend to index the distributions on the various sites. Mark -----Original Message----- From: Michael J Wise To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Thursday, May 06, 1999 3:59 PM Subject: UNIX commands "top" and "host"... > >Anyone know where the source for the "top" and "host" commands can be >found? They would seem to be part of the BSDI distribution, 'cause they're >at work, but. > >"top" displays the top process hogs on the system, like the ProcessViewer, >but can be run at a distance. (8-) > >"host" does a DNS lookup in a much simpler way than nslookup. I could live >without this one, I guess, or could write something in AWK to simulate it. >Or PERL. But would prefer to just download and compile, if possible. > >Aloha mai Nai`a! >-- >"Please have your Internet License http://kapu.net/~mjwise/ > and Usenet Registration handy..." > From markn at seinesys.com Fri May 7 11:06:21 1999 From: markn at seinesys.com (Mark Nichols) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:07 2005 Subject: Install MacOS X on Umax S900 follow up 2nd Message-ID: <00b701be98b4$5080dbf0$388290cc@markst8000.seinesys.com> Yes, I did try the option(alternate)-apple(command)-O-F combo to get into the Open Firmware prompt and it works on an Apple G3 (non-blue). Mark -----Original Message----- From: Christian Voelker To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Thursday, May 06, 1999 6:17 PM Subject: Install MacOS X on Umax S900 follow up 2nd Hello, just found a hint on info.apple.com that the design keyboard could be part of the reason. Both Apple Keyboards are Have are of the type described there as not sending commands to boot into Open Firmware correctly. So, I switched back to my Umax keyboard, but it might be of the same breed internally, although located in a considerable different housing. Actually it didnt solve anything. I just printed out the Network server OpenFirmware manual which mentions a startup option of command-alternate-O-F to boot into Open Firmware. Doesnt work here. Is it known to work on any usual Mac? PLease, just try it all you, it will only take you a second or so at next restart (Obviously not on production machines, dont bash me for anything going wrong PLEASE). Changed back to my "ticket to ride" graphics board which features a jumper "disable/enable VGA". Any comment towards this? MacOS 8.x doesnt show up on the screen in the VGA enabled mode, but starts as usual. Still movin on, yeah, yeah Christian From markn at seinesys.com Fri May 7 11:23:48 1999 From: markn at seinesys.com (Mark Nichols) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:08 2005 Subject: Running a program before workspace.app starts? Message-ID: <00da01be98b6$c055a260$388290cc@markst8000.seinesys.com> Are you trying to startup a service for the workspace only or a service for the entire server. Typically you would configure your services that clients will be using to startup in the rc startup sequence. Basically what you do is create a script file that starts up your service in the /etc/startup directory that starts with a high number (the number controls the startup sequence and you want all the base services to start first in most cases), but comes before the 9000_Accounting script. This will start the service before any GUI, Workspace.app or the login window. Mark -----Original Message----- From: John Ray To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Friday, May 07, 1999 9:29 AM Subject: Running a program before workspace.app starts? >I seem to remember seeing something about this, but I'm not sure where... > >Is it possible (and how do you do it :) ) to have a program run upon >login... before Workspace.app starts ? > >Thanks for any pointers! > >John Ray >Sys Dev/Eng, OSUE > From chongt at bah.com Fri May 7 11:39:41 1999 From: chongt at bah.com (Chong Tim) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:08 2005 Subject: top for MacOS X References: <199905071654.JAA22397@ignem.omnigroup.com> Message-ID: <3733336C.BCA4FBB@bah.com> Thanks Ryan for pointing when the src and patch is...=) I got the src and did all the patch... I think the patch file should: -- begin of file -- *** 329,336 **** --- 329,338 ---- /* externs referenced by errmsg */ + #ifndef NeXT extern char *sys_errlist[]; // it should be ----> extern __const char *__const sys_errlist[]; // I got error compile error, and I refer to the stdio.h and it should be as above extern int sys_nerr; + #endif /* !NeXT */ char *errmsg(errnum) -- end of file --- Anyway, it compiled fine without warnings or error but when top is run by any user none root, [dragon:~/macosx-top-3.4] chongt% top error: get task info for pid 3156 failed with rc = 5 error: couldn't get task info (Undefined error: 0); rc = -102 error: get task info for pid 2976 failed with rc = 5 error: couldn't get task info (Undefined error: 0); rc = -102 error: get task info for pid 2841 failed with rc = 5 error: couldn't get task info (Undefined error: 0); rc = -102 error: get task info for pid 2840 failed with rc = 5 error: couldn't get task info (Undefined error: 0); rc = -102 error: get task info for pid 2839 failed with rc = 5 error.... blah blah blah and top gives: load averages: 4.38, 3.41, 3.02 02:34:46 60 processes: 59 running, 1 zombie CPU states: % user, % nice, % system, % intr, % idle Memory: 224M Tot, 28M Free, 28M Act, 27M Inact, 123M Wired, 1K in, 1K out PID USERNAME PRI THRD SIZE RES STATE TIME MEM CPU COMMAND 444 root 1582328864 0 3018M 128K run ??? 673.55% 208675748.50% n 561 root 1937006964 0 3566M 348K run ??? 753.08% 198732625.80% c 441 root 762543222 0 2379M 128K run ??? 231.90% 194957734.00% nf 394 root 1029592378 0 2890M 308K run ??? 501.63% 194826756.80% D 338 root 1768842612 0 2778M 756K run ??? 888.96% 191977303.80% n 308 root 1869051237 0 3725M 268K run ??? 774.54% 186937635.70% p 383 root 891316590 0 2254M 160K run ??? 774.45% 185240579.20% ap 488 daemon 1634607205 0 3357M 1376K run ??? 709.97% 183534857.70% R 359 root 1651470880 0 3406M 672K run ??? 824.65% 183516401.90% n 402 root 1582643819 0 2763M 1076K run ??? 417.28% 181882961.80% p 298 root 1634297632 0 2742M 440K run ??? 851.32% 176923657.70% s 602 root 959526980 0 1718M 8620K run ??? 387.06% 176485079.30% Wi 601 root 809574440 0 3262M 6788K run ??? 724.62% 171857982.10% lo 443 root 544633910 0 2346M 128K run ??? 695.88% 166757922.80% nf 481 daemon 808464476 0 1542M 692K run ??? 344.20% 165171875.40% ap instead of this when run by root: [dragon:Users/chongt/macosx-top-3.4] root# top load averages: 2.19, 2.83, 2.64 02:33:53 61 processes: 60 running, 1 zombie CPU states: 0.4% user, 0.0% nice, 0.8% system, 0.0% intr, 98.8% idle Memory: 224M Tot, 27M Free, 28M Act, 28M Inact, 123M Wired PID USERNAME PRI THRD SIZE RES STATE TIME MEM CPU COMMAND 3697 root 10 1 3316K 768K run 0:00 0.35% 0.90% top 3692 root 10 1 7940K 1076K run 0:00 0.47% 0.60% tcsh 2978 chongt 10 1 7976K 1112K run 0:00 0.48% 0.00% tcsh 359 root 14 1 3380K 672K run 0:00 0.29% 0.00% ntpd 68 root 10 1 2544K 188K run 0:40 0.08% 0.00% update 605 root 10 1 2964K 528K run 0:00 0.23% 0.00% sh 603 root 10 1 2964K 528K run 0:00 0.23% 0.00% sh 527 root 10 1 7048K 504K run 0:00 0.22% 0.00% QuickTimeStreami 523 daemon 10 1 6712K 368K run 0:00 0.16% 0.00% AppleFileServer 444 root 10 1 2484K 128K run 0:00 0.06% 0.00% nfsiod 442 root 10 1 2484K 128K run 0:00 0.06% 0.00% nfsiod 443 root 10 1 2484K 128K run 0:00 0.06% 0.00% nfsiod 441 root 10 1 2484K 128K run 0:00 0.06% 0.00% nfsiod 3158 chongt 10 1 7964K 1100K run 0:00 0.48% 0.00% tcsh 524 daemon 10 59 42M 3568K run 0:00 1.56% 0.00% AppleFileServer anyone care to tell me what I did wrong? Or top is meant to run by root only? Thanks, TC -- Tim S.H. Chong CSE/Singapore, CS&T-BA&H MIME | ASCII | NeXTmail OK! GSM +65-9672-2153 (My Time Zone: GMT+8) Cogita differenter! From mjwise at kapu.net Fri May 7 11:47:50 1999 From: mjwise at kapu.net (Michael J Wise) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:08 2005 Subject: top for MacOS X In-Reply-To: <3733336C.BCA4FBB@bah.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 7 May 1999, Chong Tim wrote: > Anyway, it compiled fine without warnings or error but when top is run by any user none root, I smell a sticky-bit. Yup. -r-xr-sr-x 1 bin kmem 24576 Jan 20 1997 top >>>*<<< Aloha mai Nai`a! -- "Please have your Internet License http://kapu.net/~mjwise/ and Usenet Registration handy..." From chongt at bah.com Fri May 7 11:51:31 1999 From: chongt at bah.com (Chong Tim) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:08 2005 Subject: top for MacOS X fixed and ready! References: <199905071654.JAA22397@ignem.omnigroup.com> Message-ID: <37333633.88132E2@bah.com> Finally got it working correctly by all user, the permission should be: -rwsr-xr-x 1 root kmem 60828 May 8 02:34 /usr/local/bin/top If there's a demand I will upload it to PEAK... with credits to the original contributors of coz...=) TC -- Tim S.H. Chong CSE/Singapore, CS&T-BA&H MIME | ASCII | NeXTmail OK! GSM +65-9672-2153 (My Time Zone: GMT+8) Cogita differenter! From parker at wildmile.com Fri May 7 12:11:32 1999 From: parker at wildmile.com (Parker Beeson) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:08 2005 Subject: QuickTime Streaming Message-ID: <37333AE4.53028F6D@wildmile.com> Hey Chris, try using the information garnered from http://www.apple.com/quicktime/authoring/poster_movies.html This concept of posters worked fine for me for getting html pages to serve up streams on an iMac (a great little cheapo server box!). I ended up with the following which works fine... now all I need is a digital camera for my BW G3 tower and I'll have my own little "narrowcasting" network!! Apple rocks! Good luck.... From bierman at apple.com Fri May 7 13:13:52 1999 From: bierman at apple.com (Peter Bierman) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:08 2005 Subject: Install MacOS X on Umax S900 follow up In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >You could also try the linuxppc program "bootvars" for playing with >OF settings. It boots MOSXS just fine for me, and is much more >convenient than System Disk. It allows you to stop the boot process >at the OF prompt and then issue the 'boot' command from there, so you >can watch more carefully what goes on. You definately do NOT want to use BootVars. It's broken in a thousand different ways, starting with writing to physical memory on all machines to find NVRAM (which is only in the right place on a small # of the machines it tries this on), followed by it not installing the OF patches needed for MOSXS to boot. BootVars is BAD. -pmb -- "UNIX shells in Mac OS X should be unneeded but functional... and have the same installed base as MPW." From johnf at cri-corp.com Fri May 7 13:17:05 1999 From: johnf at cri-corp.com (John Fujimoto) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:08 2005 Subject: Zip Disk Icon Message-ID: <199905071214.MAA01868@linuxgate.cricorp> Alright...this might sound like a silly question but does the icon of an inserted Zip disk look like a Zip disk or a generic removeable hard drive? When I first installed Server I could have sworn it looked similar to the Zip disk icon from Mac OS 8.x, but after I performed a reinstall, it now looks like a generic HFS removable. I was playing aroung with the BlueBox so I'm probably just remembering that icon at a different resolution, and there is no problem accessing the disk...but it's just bugging me. Which icon do you guys see. From bierman at apple.com Fri May 7 13:20:48 1999 From: bierman at apple.com (Peter Bierman) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:08 2005 Subject: Broken System Folder on boot In-Reply-To: <199905070645.XAA18229@mom.hooked.net> Message-ID: At 11:46 PM -0700 5/6/99, James M. Benster wrote: >Steve MacLean wrote: > >>I did a stupid thing, and now I get the broken folder icon at boot. >> >>I know OSXS is still on it's partition, however the partition number is now >>changed. Hard Disk Tool Kit consolidated free space during a format of a >>HFS+ partition:( >> >>What do I need to do in the System Disk application in MacOS to get OSXS to >>boot from the correct partition? >> >>Or do I re-install? Just boot Mac OS 8 from a CD, and run system disk, select your MOSXS volume, save and restart. If it doesn't work, you'll have to reinstall, because something else is broken. >A general comment: I called FWB last week re their Hard Disk Toolkit. >Their tech support person was adamant that I couldn't use HDT in >conjunction with Mac OS X Server and recommended that I reformat all of >my drives using Apple's Disk Setup 1.6.2. (They are working with Apple to >correct the situation, but no date proffered for the fix.) What? Can you pass on the email addr of the person who told you this? Mac OS X Server doesn't use the drivers on the disk at all, so it shouldn't matter if it's Apple's or FWB's driver. >since I have a UMAX S900, I haven't been able to install MXS at all, and I don't know of any S900s that have ever successfully installed MOSXS. -pmb -- "UNIX shells in Mac OS X should be unneeded but functional... and have the same installed base as MPW." From commlink at primenet.com Fri May 7 13:41:04 1999 From: commlink at primenet.com (Drew Janssen) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:08 2005 Subject: Zip Disk Icon In-Reply-To: <199905071214.MAA01868@linuxgate.cricorp> References: <199905071214.MAA01868@linuxgate.cricorp> Message-ID: In an email of 5/7/99 13:19 -0700, John Fujimoto mentioned: >Alright...this might sound like a silly question but does the icon of an >inserted Zip disk look like a Zip disk or a generic removeable hard drive? > >When I first installed Server I could have sworn it looked similar to the Zip >disk icon from Mac OS 8.x, but after I performed a reinstall, it now looks >like a generic HFS removable. > >I was playing aroung with the BlueBox so I'm probably just remembering that >icon at a different resolution, and there is no problem accessing the >disk...but it's just bugging me. Which icon do you guys see. Got that oogly generic drive icon. It threw me off, first time I saw it, because I kept saying "Where in the heck is my Zip?" Ok, so I might be "ResEdit Boy" on the MacOS side, but I am a little reluctant to mess with icon resources on OS X Server. Clues, anyone, so I don't blow all my hard work to Hackensack? //Drew '`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'` Drew Janssen, Wearer of Many Hats.... commlink@primenet.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Hat #1: Website Designer, & Mac-based Web Host running the OS X Server http://www.hostdifferent.net - "Small, private, & rocket-fast" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- hat #2: Cartoonist: appearing at http://www.nowonder.com/comic [daily] and http://www.fivestones.com [occasional] - write for sample. '`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`' From cvoelker at real-net.de Fri May 7 13:41:13 1999 From: cvoelker at real-net.de (Christian Voelker) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:08 2005 Subject: Umax S900 VLSI name remembered by anyone? Message-ID: Hello, all you certainly know that Im working on getting the Umax S900 to start MacOS X. Now, Im going to reach a certain degree of OpenFirmware wizardry. Thats the BIOS of our all beloved machines. Id like to gamble a bit with the output device settings of tha nvram because I believe this is the point of failure. Ive had a glance at the LinuxPPC lists concerning that theme and found a hint that the chip containing the PCIbridge should be adressed with an option for the slot of the graphics board. I dont know where to look for these names now, still remembering that there was something like a "bandit". I dont look for the CUDA which is also an important guy, but this one named ...? Does anyone definetly know the code name of this chip? Thank you, Christian PS: Id like to hear from others that tried to do it with a Umax S900 yet, successful or not. Just to know if Im the only crazy one. From brianw at sounds.WA.COM Fri May 7 15:37:35 1999 From: brianw at sounds.WA.COM (Brian Willoughby) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:08 2005 Subject: Fix for Apache root process dying Message-ID: <199905072237.PAA12834@sounds.WA.COM> I do not subscribe to this list, but I recently went through the archives trying to find a clue as to why my Apache WebServer was dying frequently under Mac OS X Server on a Power Macintosh 9600/350. It turns out that the use of rotatelogs was causing the crash. This makes sense, because I never found any inkling of an error message with any of the multiple crashes. Since the logging caused the crash, it's not surprising that no error message was logged. I converted all logs to regular files instead of using rotatelog as specified in the default apache.conf supplied by Apple. I have been running for 3 and a half days with no problems, which seems significant considering that I couldn't get Apache to run for more than 30 hours before. I hope this helps the many of you who have complained of Apache crashing. Now I need to find out who to report this to at Apple so that it will show up in the Tech Info Library and subsequent Release Notes. Brian Willoughby Software Design: NEXTSTEP, OpenStep, Rhapsody, MacOS X Sound Consulting Apple Enterprise Alliance Partner NeXTmail welcome Apple is the registered trademark of Apple Records, and Macintosh is the registered trademark of Macintosh Laboratories, used under license by Apple Computer, Inc. From jjfeiler at relief.com Fri May 7 15:45:42 1999 From: jjfeiler at relief.com (John Jay Feiler) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:08 2005 Subject: Fix for Apache root process dying Message-ID: <199905070247.TAA09427@haque.relief.com> > Now I need to find out who to report this to at Apple so that it will show up > in the Tech Info Library and subsequent Release Notes. Apparently, the established procedure is to post a solution or workaround to macosx-admin, and helpful little gnomes in Cupertino scarff up the answer and turn it into a TIL. At least, that appears to be the case, if you compare the omni macosx lists to the Mac OS X server TILs ;-) J -- John Feiler jjfeiler@relief.com From bierman at apple.com Fri May 7 16:40:42 1999 From: bierman at apple.com (Peter Bierman) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:08 2005 Subject: FWB HDT & MOSXS (was: Broken System Folder...) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At 6:32 AM -0700 5/7/99, Stephen MacLean wrote: >> A general comment: I called FWB last week re their Hard Disk Toolkit. >> Their tech support person was adamant that I couldn't use HDT in >> conjunction with Mac OS X Server and recommended that I reformat all of >> my drives using Apple's Disk Setup 1.6.2. (They are working with Apple to >> correct the situation, but no date proffered for the fix.) I just exchanged some email with FWB, and they said that their suggestion was due to some miscommunication between their tech support and QA. In fact, there are no known problems with using FWB products for MOSXS disks, and their tech support staff should now (or soon) be up to date. -pmb -- "UNIX shells in Mac OS X should be unneeded but functional... and have the same installed base as MPW." From tjones at northstar.k12.ak.us Fri May 7 17:30:18 1999 From: tjones at northstar.k12.ak.us (Timothy Jones) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:08 2005 Subject: Zip Disk Icon In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 7 May 1999, Drew Janssen wrote: > In an email of 5/7/99 13:19 -0700, John Fujimoto mentioned: > >Alright...this might sound like a silly question but does the icon of an > >inserted Zip disk look like a Zip disk or a generic removeable hard drive? > > > >When I first installed Server I could have sworn it looked similar to the Zip > >disk icon from Mac OS 8.x, but after I performed a reinstall, it now looks > >like a generic HFS removable. > > > >I was playing aroung with the BlueBox so I'm probably just remembering that > >icon at a different resolution, and there is no problem accessing the > >disk...but it's just bugging me. Which icon do you guys see. > > Got that oogly generic drive icon. It threw me off, first > time I saw it, because I kept saying "Where in the heck is my Zip?" > > Ok, so I might be "ResEdit Boy" on the MacOS side, but I am a > little reluctant to mess with icon resources on OS X Server. Clues, > anyone, so I don't blow all my hard work to Hackensack? One could probably safely modify or replace the icon located at: /System/Library/CoreServices/Viewer.app/Resources/zip.tiff >From the WorkSpace you need to click on the Viewer.app appwrapper once, then bring up the Inspector and then go to the Contents Panel and from here you can open the Application Wrapper as a directory and view its contents. It would be a good idea to back up the existing somewhere safe in case something go drastically wrong (slim chance, but you never know...). This would have the effect of changing the WorkSpace Icon for _all_ Zip disks. However you could add a tiff file called .dir.tiff which is a 64x64(right?) icon of you choosing at the root of the disk. You can also add a .opendir.tiff to the root of the disk and that will be the opened icon (for when you drop items onto the icon from WorkSpace. There are some deep similarities between the WorkSpace and Finder, but instead of a dedicated resource fork MOSXS (and NEXT/OPENSTEP) use app wrappers and a resource directory to hold icons and the like in addition to the .dir.tiff and .opendir.tiff files for different icons for particuar directories, or disks, but the Workspace sees these are basic equivalents since because of the Unix style filesystem. tim ______________________________________________________________________ Timothy Jones | tjones@northstar.k12.ak.us Network Technician | Phone: (907) 452-2000 x380 Fairbanks Northstar Borough | Fairbanks, AK School District | From benster at wenet.net Fri May 7 21:00:12 1999 From: benster at wenet.net (James M. Benster) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:08 2005 Subject: FWB HDT & MOSXS (was: Broken System Folder...) Message-ID: <199905080358.UAA26250@mom.hooked.net> Excellent, Peter. Thanks for your very timely actions in this regard. I feel a lot better to have this issue cleared up in the manner that it was. Good to be able to resume using the FWB Hard Disk Toolkit driver, too. >> A general comment: I called FWB last week re their Hard Disk Toolkit. >> Their tech support person was adamant that I couldn't use HDT in >> conjunction with Mac OS X Server and recommended that I reformat all of >> my drives using Apple's Disk Setup 1.6.2. (They are working with Apple to >> correct the situation, but no date proffered for the fix.) >I just exchanged some email with FWB, and they said that their suggestion >was due to some miscommunication between their tech support and QA. > >In fact, there are no known problems with using FWB products for MOSXS >disks, and their tech support staff should now (or soon) be up to date. --Jim From petrij at bc.edu Fri May 7 21:08:14 1999 From: petrij at bc.edu (Jonah Petri) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:08 2005 Subject: strange sound problem In-Reply-To: <199905070247.TAA09427@haque.relief.com> Message-ID: <52673.3135110894@x1-6-00-60-08-49-09-b9.bc.edu> This is a bit of a nit-picking question, but it is bothering me to some extent so I thought maybe someone would have an answer, or at least some sympathy. I have a beige G3 333/160MB RAM with the Apple BTO DVD drive and DVD/AV card. This is a supported machine (as of this writing!) I recieved my copy of MacOSX in the mail a few weeks ago, and quickly installed it and started to look around, and I quickly discovered that I had no sound support. Strange as this was, i figured that there was simply a technote that I had neglected to read somewhere. But, upon further investigation, none appeared. In fact, the only cases of lost sound are of other people who have the DVD/AV card. Sound works fine for me in Mac OS, but not in the Blue Box. The unsettling thing is this: I can still find no 'official' documentation of this problem anywhere. Not on Apple's site, not through the phone support lines, not through ADC (of which I am a member), nor through third party technical support services. I'd like to stress that this _is_not_ a big deal for me, I'd just like some recognition of the problem so that other people who have similar configs are aware of the problems before they spend $500. Anyone have any ideas? If John was right in his recent message about apple's employees watching this list, can they post a technote about this? It would just make me feel better. Thanks, Jonah --On Fri, May 7, 1999 3:46 PM -0700 John Jay Feiler wrote: >> Now I need to find out who to report this to at Apple so that it > will show up >> in the Tech Info Library and subsequent Release Notes. > > Apparently, the established procedure is to post a solution or > workaround to macosx-admin, and helpful little gnomes in Cupertino > scarff up the answer and turn it into a TIL. At least, that appears > to be the case, if you compare the omni macosx lists to the Mac OS X > server TILs ;-) > > J > > -- > John Feiler > jjfeiler@relief.com > From taylor at fmci.net Fri May 7 21:22:31 1999 From: taylor at fmci.net (Bill Taylor) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:08 2005 Subject: OSX and TB2 Message-ID: Anyone know if it is possible to load and run timbuk2 on the Max OS side of the OSX server and have the same control capabilities over the machine as normal. I miss my ability to remotely use the OSX server in that matter. Not being able to make simple HTML page corrections and additions without FTPing a new file up to the server is a lot of trouble not to mention remote control of the system. ??? Bill Taylor From stephen.maclean at snet.net Fri May 7 21:32:23 1999 From: stephen.maclean at snet.net (Steve MacLean) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:08 2005 Subject: FWB HDT & MOSXS (was: Broken System Folder...) Message-ID: Hi Peter & List, Thanks for the info. FYI, I had rebooted under Mac OS 8.5 and opened up System Disk to select the OSXS system disk to boot from. However, now there are TWO OSXS volumes that show up, both say the same thing. One is on partition 10 and the other on 11. I know that OSXS is installed on 11. Selecting the first one, starts OSXS and then leads right into the broken folder icon. Selecting the other results in a blank display for a few seconds, then the system boots into Mac OS 8.5. Really weird. Looks like I'm going to have to re-install. Any other help would be appreciated:) Thanks, Steve MacLean ---------- >From: Peter Bierman >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: FWB HDT & MOSXS (was: Broken System Folder...) >Date: Fri, May 7, 1999, 7:49 PM > > At 6:32 AM -0700 5/7/99, Stephen MacLean wrote: >>> A general comment: I called FWB last week re their Hard Disk Toolkit. >>> Their tech support person was adamant that I couldn't use HDT in >>> conjunction with Mac OS X Server and recommended that I reformat all of >>> my drives using Apple's Disk Setup 1.6.2. (They are working with Apple to >>> correct the situation, but no date proffered for the fix.) > > I just exchanged some email with FWB, and they said that their suggestion > was due to some miscommunication between their tech support and QA. > > In fact, there are no known problems with using FWB products for MOSXS > disks, and their tech support staff should now (or soon) be up to date. > > -pmb > > -- > "UNIX shells in Mac OS X should be unneeded but functional... > and have the same installed base as MPW." > > From nriley at staff.feldberg.brandeis.edu Fri May 7 22:05:31 1999 From: nriley at staff.feldberg.brandeis.edu (Nicholas Riley) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:08 2005 Subject: OSX and TB2 In-Reply-To: ; from Bill Taylor on Fri, May 07, 1999 at 09:25:16PM -0700 References: Message-ID: <19990508010531.A19413@staff.feldberg.brandeis.edu> On Fri, May 07, 1999 at 09:25:16PM -0700, Bill Taylor wrote: > Anyone know if it is possible to load and run timbuk2 on the Max OS > side of the OSX server and have the same control capabilities over > the machine as normal. I miss my ability to remotely use the OSX > server in that matter. Not being able to make simple HTML page > corrections and additions without FTPing a new file up to the server > is a lot of trouble not to mention remote control of the system. ??? Nothing like timbuktu, although I'm sure there will be in a few months. You can always login via telnet/ssh/ and run an editor on the pages, or use the AFP server and edit with your favorite Mac editor. -- Nicholas Riley From pf at ipagents.com Sat May 8 00:57:19 1999 From: pf at ipagents.com (Peter Fagerlund) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:08 2005 Subject: limit number of files for QT4 streaming? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >A colleague here seems to believe there is a 250 file limit to the number >of files that a QTstreaming >server can serve. He says that there cannot >be more than 250 movies on the server (and that's why >they should spend >$30,000 on another solution). >I have seen nor heard of any such limitation. Can anyone verify or dispute >this? I do not think there is a physical file limit other than disk space -- then again I might be wrong and the QT Police right ;-) How many simultaneous unicast streams the server can handle depends on its environment -- A load balancing proxy is handy if your planning on volume -- there will be other tools needed to juggle many mov files A metadata db comes to mind... /peter From tdrolson at php.ucsf.edu Sat May 8 01:01:57 1999 From: tdrolson at php.ucsf.edu (Tony Drolson) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:08 2005 Subject: MacOSX security group Message-ID: <12DC09EF705BD2118C7200A0C9C83AE827805B@sfaids.ucsf.edu> As a new user of OSX (new to OpenStep), I'm wondering how to best integrate Solaris and MacOSX systems. NetInfo is MacOSX specific, correct? Would it be difficult or problematic to setup NIS as a security authority for both MacOSX and Solaris systems, or just for the Solaris boxes with a connection to a NetInfo domain? Are there good sources for info on using these together, as well as synchronizing accounts with an NT domain? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks, Tony Drolson Information Systems Director UCSF Positive Health Program at SFGH-MC From petrij at bc.edu Sat May 8 08:42:14 1999 From: petrij at bc.edu (Jonah Petri) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:08 2005 Subject: Install MacOS X on Umax S900 follow up In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <9905081142.AA143271@supermoof> And besides that, the bootvars functionality is very much duplicated in the 'Advanced' setting in the System Disk application. I also agree that bootvars is a very Bad thing Jonah From mjwise at kapu.net Sat May 8 15:07:53 1999 From: mjwise at kapu.net (Michael J Wise) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:08 2005 Subject: [MacOSX-Admin] MacOS 8.6 updater released... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I am downloading the updater right now from ftp3.info.apple.com. If you want the full URL, check out www.macnn.com. Have it on good authority that it works REALLY WELL in the bluebox. (8-) Aloha mai Nai`a! -- "Please have your Internet License http://kapu.net/~mjwise/ and Usenet Registration handy..." From tjlists at bigfoot.com Sat May 8 17:40:35 1999 From: tjlists at bigfoot.com (Timothy J Luoma) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:08 2005 Subject: OSX and TB2 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <199905090040.UAA08933@ocalhost> Replying to message of Fri, 7 May 1999 21:25:05 -0700 (PDT) from Bill Taylor regarding ``OSX and TB2'' > Not being able to make simple HTML page corrections and additions > without FTPing a new file up to the server is a lot of trouble > not to mention remote control of the system. ??? I'm not familiar with 'timbuk2' but RBrowser will allow you to make these remote edits nearly as easily as if they were on your local hard drive. For more info: http://www.peak.org/~luomat/articles/Reviews/Software/RBrowser/ TjL From list.macosx-admin at tandb.com.au Sat May 8 17:52:17 1999 From: list.macosx-admin at tandb.com.au (T&B) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:08 2005 Subject: Fix for Apache root process dying In-Reply-To: <199905072237.PAA12834@sounds.WA.COM> Message-ID: <6976144.3135235937@ip199.tandb.com.au> Thanks for the tip. What changes, exactly, did you make to apache.conf? Thanks, Tom ---- Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 3:40 PM -0700 Subject: Fix for Apache root process dying From: Brian Willoughby To: Multiple recipients of list I converted all logs to regular files instead of using rotatelog as specified in the default apache.conf supplied by Apple. From mjwise at kapu.net Sat May 8 21:11:46 1999 From: mjwise at kapu.net (Michael J Wise) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:08 2005 Subject: [MacOSX-Admin] MacOS 8.6 updater released... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sat, 8 May 1999, Michael J Wise wrote: > I am downloading the updater right now from ftp3.info.apple.com. Seems that I was one of a very few who were fast enough. My guess is, someone jumped the gun a bit in posting it. Aloha mai Nai`a (waiting breathlessly for Monday) ! -- "Please have your Internet License http://kapu.net/~mjwise/ and Usenet Registration handy..." From mjwise at kapu.net Sat May 8 21:19:00 1999 From: mjwise at kapu.net (mjwise@kapu.net) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:08 2005 Subject: Ping? Message-ID: <199905090419.VAA22529@ignem.omnigroup.com> No content since Friday...? From chongt at bah.com Sun May 9 07:08:29 1999 From: chongt at bah.com (Chong Tim) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:08 2005 Subject: top 3.4 MacOS X Server CR1 recompiled and uploaded to PEAK References: Message-ID: <373596DD.D7F821C2@bah.com> As titled: ftp://ftp.peak.org/pub/apple/submissions/macosx-top-3.4.P.b.tar.gz TC -- Tim S.H. Chong CSE/Singapore, CS&T-BA&H MIME | ASCII | NeXTmail OK! GSM +65-9672-2153 (My Time Zone: GMT+8) Cogita differenter! From jabi at ap.buffalo.edu Sun May 9 09:26:32 1999 From: jabi at ap.buffalo.edu (Wassim Jabi) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:08 2005 Subject: OSX and TB2 Message-ID: <001801be9a38$b42fcc30$bbe9cd80@hermes> I know this won't answer your question, but on Windows NT, I have regularly used Timbuktu to edit and re-compile WebObjects applications from home using ProjectBuilder (over a 56K modem, kept up nicely). I also used it to test collaborative aspects by starting two browsers at the same time (one remotely at the office and one at home). Wassim Jabi E-Mail: wj@writeme.com or jabi@ap.buffalo.edu Virtual Office: http://www.webex.com/office/Wassim -----Original Message----- From: Bill Taylor To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Saturday, May 08, 1999 12:25 AM Subject: OSX and TB2 >Anyone know if it is possible to load and run timbuk2 on the Max OS >side of the OSX server and have the same control capabilities over >the machine as normal. I miss my ability to remotely use the OSX >server in that matter. Not being able to make simple HTML page >corrections and additions without FTPing a new file up to the server >is a lot of trouble not to mention remote control of the system. ??? >Bill Taylor > From mjwise at kapu.net Sun May 9 10:37:21 1999 From: mjwise at kapu.net (Michael J Wise) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:08 2005 Subject: [MacOSX-Admin] MacOS 8.6 updater released... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sun, 9 May 1999, Michael J Wise wrote: > ... (waiting breathlessly for Monday) http://www.apple.com/quicktime/showcase/live/wwdc/ Seems that the Keynote will be webcast live using Streaming Quicktime. Hmmm. Lessee... 9:30am PST = 6:30am HST. Better set my alarm! Aloha mai Nai`a! -- "Please have your Internet License http://kapu.net/~mjwise/ and Usenet Registration handy..." From amlai at columbia.edu Sun May 9 11:07:01 1999 From: amlai at columbia.edu (Albert Max Lai) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:08 2005 Subject: Kingston KNE100TX Message-ID: <14133.52933.590505.455027@aloha.cc.columbia.edu> Does anyone have th the KNE100TX working under MacOS X Server? It looks like it works under practically any OS. Seems to be DEC/INTEL 21140/21143-based card. The TIL note seems to say that it can be made to work. I just wanted to confirm that someone had it working before I ran out and picked up a bunch of them. Thanks in advance! -- Albert Lai 1018D East Campus Residential Computer Consultant 411 W. 116th St. Columbia University New York, NY 10027 http://www.columbia.edu/~aml61 (212)853-4854 From cmcquinn at math.purdue.edu Sun May 9 11:26:28 1999 From: cmcquinn at math.purdue.edu (Chad J McQuinn) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:08 2005 Subject: Install MacOS X on Umax S900 follow up In-Reply-To: <9905081142.AA143271@supermoof> References: <9905081142.AA143271@supermoof> Message-ID: >And besides that, the bootvars functionality is very much duplicated >in the 'Advanced' setting in the System Disk application. I also >agree that bootvars is a very Bad thing I fail to understand this badmouthing of BootVars. The two complaints against it seem to be: * It doesn't install the patches necessary for MOSXS to boot. * It doesn't write nvram correctly on all machines. Well, duh. How would it know what patches MOSXS needs? It's a linux booter. The way around this is to use system disk to set the boot parameters (once) then open BootVars, which now has all those setting. Save them in a config file and modify from that frame of reference. Obviously System Disk doesn't do these things either, or this thread wouldn't exist. We're talking about unsupported installs here. BootVars loads linuxppc on a much wider class of machines than MOSXS is alleged to support. Also, its functionality is not entirely duplicated by the "advanced" setting of system disk. And as I mentioned before, it makes booting more convenient once you have the correct settings. -Chad From jray at postoffice.ag.ohio-state.edu Sun May 9 15:54:29 1999 From: jray at postoffice.ag.ohio-state.edu (John Ray) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:08 2005 Subject: Running a program before workspace.app starts? Message-ID: > Are you trying to startup a service for the workspace only or a service for > the entire server. What I need (well, would *like*) to do is run something each time a user logs in. The current purpose is this: I have multiple machines on a Mac OS X Server-based network now... They have different monitor sizes, and I'd like to run a script at startup and shutdown that saves and restores preferences based on the machine I'm logged into... (for window positions, etc.) it would make having a network account a bit more usable. --- John From alaskan at alaskancamper.com Sun May 9 16:32:09 1999 From: alaskan at alaskancamper.com (Donald W. Wheat) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:08 2005 Subject: 9650 Server Message-ID: <37361AF0.657C50E0@alaskancamper.com> has anyone had a luck installing OS-X on a 9650 with the Hammer ultra card and two 4GB drives. Don Wheat From cvoelker at real-net.de Sun May 9 17:00:01 1999 From: cvoelker at real-net.de (Christian Voelker) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:08 2005 Subject: Umax S900: partial success! Message-ID: Hello, to apologize for many messages I sent to some of you, to keep you informed and -not the least- to share my pleasure Id like to tell that I just succeeded to get the OF onto the screen. Yes, it was that simple: Using bootvars (in spite of knowing some of u determing it as the devils rabble) I just changed the output device to: /bandit/ATY,XCLAIMVR There, I tried some twenty variations of: boot scsi-int/@3,0:b There he sometimes answered with "... couldnt *L O A D* from... blah blah and sometimes " couldnt boot or find or dont know (its three minutes since then and I should better move myself to bed, shouldnt I?) So, I couldnt boot from CD until now. Hints regarding that issue and, especially regarding an option to change the nvram setting from inside the installer app are still welcome. It still makes me less nervous to click for the right drive to install to than specifying it from the command line. But, dont worry about the output device any more. The output device string mentioned above was taken exactly as reported by pci-probers busmaster controller name field, combined with the pci card name field. No slot number, no model name reuquired. This might be an information with regard to other video cards. I will certainly try to insert my better video card with the "ticket to ride"-chip again the next days providing the appropriate information. Have a nice dream, Christian From bradyt at choiceconnect.com.au Sun May 9 17:43:32 1999 From: bradyt at choiceconnect.com.au (Terry Brady) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:08 2005 Subject: Tips: QuickTime Streaming Message-ID: <199905100043.KAA07302@atlas.bit.net.au> Sorenson Video is running a beta test of their Sorenson Broadcaster product which is specifically intended for use with MOSXS and QTSS. Even if you aren't interested or able to make use of live compression software, there's some very useful info in the product FAQ about how to create reference movies and embed them into web pages. http://www.s-vision.com/support/SorensonBroadcaster/FAQ.html And for an example of what a novice like me can do by fiddling around, check out: http://choiceconnect.com.au/files/ The streaming movie was created by importing a CD track to AIFF, then exporting that as a 20kbps hinted QuickTime movie from QuickTime Player (Pro edition). That page could change at any time - don't rely on it being there for any reason whatsoever :-) Regards, Terry Brady --------------------------------------------- Technical Services Officer Choice Connections Brisbane http://choiceconnect.com.au/ Information technology solutions for business, goverment, publishing and education. From bradyt at choiceconnect.com.au Sun May 9 18:00:14 1999 From: bradyt at choiceconnect.com.au (Terry Brady) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:08 2005 Subject: QTSS: how to make bandwidth-sensing reference movies? Message-ID: <199905100100.LAA09644@atlas.bit.net.au> The hardest part about learning QTSS is finding the information you need. For example: I know that you can create multiple copies of the same source (live or prerecorded) encoded for different bitrates. I know that you can create a reference movie which checks your QuickTime plugin settings and refers you to the most appropriate streaming source. I even know where to find one: http://www.apple.com/quicktime/showcase/news/bbc/bbc_world.mov for example. But I can't find an answer to this question: how do I create such a movie for myself? All suggestions gratefully received. Regards, Terry Brady --------------------------------------------- Technical Services Officer Choice Connections Brisbane http://choiceconnect.com.au/ Information technology solutions for business, goverment, publishing and education. From fan at chem.ucla.edu Sun May 9 19:21:11 1999 From: fan at chem.ucla.edu (Paul S. Fan) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:08 2005 Subject: OSX and TB2 Message-ID: <199905100221.TAA06253@krypton.chem.ucla.edu> Bill Taylor wrote > Not being able to make simple HTML page corrections and additions > without FTPing a new file up to the server is a lot of trouble > not to mention remote control of the system. ??? You could mount the server's web doc directory to your local disk and use OmniWeb to edit your html directly. Also the OS X program Create.app does a pretty good job of producing web pages (along with other drawing tasks). Best, Paul From fan at chem.ucla.edu Sun May 9 20:01:09 1999 From: fan at chem.ucla.edu (Paul S. Fan) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:08 2005 Subject: MacOSX security group Message-ID: <199905100301.UAA06314@krypton.chem.ucla.edu> Hi - > Would it be difficult or problematic to setup NIS as a security > authority for both MacOSX and Solaris systems ... There is an Apple TIL regarding this. I don't have the precise URL, but look inside www.info.apple.com/support/macosxserver/ As I recall you have to modify the /etc/hostconfig file and reconfigure lookupd to bind to an NIS domain. Best, Paul From afindlay at austin.rr.com Sun May 9 20:31:03 1999 From: afindlay at austin.rr.com (adhamh) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:08 2005 Subject: 9650 Server Message-ID: <02cb34529030a59FE4@mail4.austin.rr.com> You probably will not get this to work without tweaking the darwin code. The Jack Hammer card is very different. I don't think DR1 would even install on it. ---------- >From: "Donald W. Wheat" >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: 9650 Server >Date: Sun, May 9, 1999, 6:41 PM > > has anyone had a luck installing OS-X on a 9650 with the Hammer ultra > card and two 4GB drives. > > Don Wheat > From afindlay at austin.rr.com Sun May 9 20:34:09 1999 From: afindlay at austin.rr.com (adhamh) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:08 2005 Subject: Running a program before workspace.app starts? Message-ID: <02f355032030a59FE4@mail4.austin.rr.com> This should be possible with a shell script. (Can't tell you how because I'm not a programmer.) The real problem is going to be find those prefs. I have looked and looked from them but can not find them. If you find them I would be very interested to know the location. Thanks! ---------- >From: "John Ray" >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: Re: Running a program before workspace.app starts? >Date: Sun, May 9, 1999, 6:14 PM > >> Are you trying to startup a service for the workspace only or a service for >> the entire server. > > What I need (well, would *like*) to do is run something each time a user > logs in. The current purpose is this: I have multiple machines on a Mac OS > X Server-based network now... They have different monitor sizes, and I'd > like to run a script at startup and shutdown that saves and restores > preferences based on the machine I'm logged into... (for window positions, > etc.) it would make having a network account a bit more usable. > > --- John > From ericsson at wineasy.se Sun May 9 20:46:39 1999 From: ericsson at wineasy.se (Daniel Ericsson) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:08 2005 Subject: 9650 Server Message-ID: <03451805802274@wineasy.se> 99-05-10 01.40, Donald W. Wheat wrote >has anyone had a luck installing OS-X on a 9650 with the Hammer ultra >card and two 4GB drives. > >Don Wheat I don't know if that's the same HD setup as the grey G3/300 server... but from what I can tell there should be no problem. Unless... you have a softraid setup with the two drives, I'm running MacOS X Server on an external drive on my G3 server with 2*4Gb softraid and on login it complains that it can't mount the two drives... naturally since it doesn't support softraid but that means it atleast find the drives and that they would probably be mountable if they were normal HFS/UFS drives... / Daniel Ericsson From fabienr at ncmi.com Sun May 9 20:48:16 1999 From: fabienr at ncmi.com (Fabien Roy) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:08 2005 Subject: MacOSX security group In-Reply-To: <12DC09EF705BD2118C7200A0C9C83AE827805B@sfaids.ucsf.edu> References: <12DC09EF705BD2118C7200A0C9C83AE827805B@sfaids.ucsf.edu> Message-ID: <199905100349.UAA27901@ignem.omnigroup.com> A straight port of NetInfo was made on Linux from the Darwin sources. I would expect the same for Solaris. Fabien. You wrote: > As a new user of OSX (new to OpenStep), I'm wondering how to best > integrate Solaris and MacOSX systems. NetInfo is MacOSX specific, > correct? Would it be difficult or problematic to setup NIS as a > security authority for both MacOSX and Solaris systems, or just for > the Solaris boxes with a connection to a NetInfo domain? Are there > good sources for info on using these together, as well as > synchronizing accounts with an NT domain? Any help would be > appreciated. Thanks, > > Tony Drolson > Information Systems Director > UCSF Positive Health Program at SFGH-MC > --- Fabien L Roy NationsBanc Montgomery Securities, LLC voice: (704)386-75-76 100 North Tryon Street fax: (704)388-95-64 NC1-007-09-08 Charlotte NC 28255 Beeper: 143-9722 (1-800-946-46-46) or http://www.MobileComm.com/message/ email: fabienr@ncmi.com (NeXT/Mime) Pager-email 1439722@mobilecomm.net From kpc at enteract.com Sun May 9 20:53:21 1999 From: kpc at enteract.com (kpc@enteract.com) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:08 2005 Subject: PPP troubleshooting continued Message-ID: As reported some days ago, I am attempting to get PPP to work with Mac OS X (on a PMac 8600/250 with the "RhapPPP" distribution). Several subscribers proposed that my chat file was wonky. For example: On 4/28/99 Stephen Perkins advised that: >PPP has not yet started. The problem is that your chat script does not >match what your provider is sending. I say PPP hasn't started because the >first thing pppd does is to call 'chat'. Once chat finishes, pppd assumes >that PPP has been started on the remote end and it will start the >negotiation. Chat is failing so the PPP negotiation (which is driven by the >options in your options file) never starts. Please check your chat script >and determine why it is not starting PPP on the remote side. So I poured over man chat and man pppd, and reviewed the configuration - chat.script, options, and the shell script that calls pppd. I also compared these with the equivalent files I've been using with NS 3.3. Everything appears equivalent -- but (since it isn't working with MacOS X) everything must not be equivalent. (The hardware is, obviously, not the same - 3.3 is running on a turbo station, and the modems are not the same, either.) As the two examples below indicate, the back-and-forth between my machine and the remote host seem the same, with two notable exceptions on the MacOS X side of things: 1. Negotiation with the remote host fails, and ppp doesn't start - as observed by Steve Perkins. 2. The attempt consistently ends by locking up my machine, requiring a hard reset. It appears that the problem is not with my chat script. Might this be /dev/cuaa malfunctioning? Any further suggestions are welcome. Here are two log files of attempted dial-up connections for your consideration: ---- NextStep 3.3 and PPP 2.2 --- May 9 16:07:19 nextbox pppd[250]: pppd 2.2.0 started by root, uid 0 May 9 16:07:25 nextbox chat[253]: abort on (ERROR) May 9 16:07:25 nextbox chat[253]: abort on (BUSY) May 9 16:07:25 nextbox chat[253]: abort on (NO CARRIER) May 9 16:07:25 nextbox chat[253]: timeout set to 60 seconds May 9 16:07:25 nextbox chat[253]: send (ATZ^M) May 9 16:07:25 nextbox chat[253]: expect (OK) May 9 16:07:26 nextbox chat[253]: ATZ^M^M May 9 16:07:26 nextbox chat[253]: OK -- got it May 9 16:07:26 nextbox chat[253]: send (ATD18475563228^M) May 9 16:07:26 nextbox chat[253]: expect (CONNECT) May 9 16:07:26 nextbox chat[253]: ^M May 9 16:07:46 nextbox chat[253]: ATD18475563228^M^M May 9 16:07:46 nextbox chat[253]: CONNECT -- got it May 9 16:07:46 nextbox chat[253]: send (^M) May 9 16:07:46 nextbox chat[253]: expect (ogin:) May 9 16:07:46 nextbox chat[253]: 38400^M May 9 16:07:48 nextbox chat[253]: Welcome to EnterAct!^M May 9 16:07:48 nextbox chat[253]: ^M May 9 16:07:48 nextbox chat[253]: : PPP^M May 9 16:07:48 nextbox chat[253]: C : CSLIP^M May 9 16:07:48 nextbox chat[253]: N : Rlogin Nathan^M May 9 16:07:48 nextbox chat[253]: P : Force Dynamic IP PPP Login^M May 9 16:07:48 nextbox chat[253]: R : Rlogin Adam ^M May 9 16:07:48 nextbox chat[253]: S : SLIP^M May 9 16:07:48 nextbox chat[253]: ^M May 9 16:07:48 nextbox last message repeated 3 times May 9 16:07:48 nextbox chat[253]: login: -- got it May 9 16:07:48 nextbox chat[253]: send (kpc^M) May 9 16:07:48 nextbox chat[253]: expect (assword:) May 9 16:07:48 nextbox chat[253]: ^M May 9 16:07:48 nextbox chat[253]: login:kpc^M May 9 16:07:48 nextbox chat[253]: Password: -- got it May 9 16:07:48 nextbox chat[253]: send (*mypw*^M) May 9 16:07:48 nextbox pppd[250]: Serial connection established. May 9 16:07:49 nextbox pppd[250]: Using interface ppp0 May 9 16:07:49 nextbox pppd[250]: Connect: ppp0 <--> /dev/cufb --- MacOS X and "Rhap" PPP 2.3 --- May 9 16:08:14 localhost pppd[622]: pppd 2.3.3 started by root, uid 0 May 9 16:08:14 localhost pppd[622]: Removed stale lock on cuaa (pid 623) May 9 16:08:15 localhost chat[624]: abort on (ERROR) May 9 16:08:15 localhost chat[624]: abort on (BUSY) May 9 16:08:15 localhost chat[624]: abort on (NO CARRIER) May 9 16:08:15 localhost chat[624]: timeout set to 60 seconds May 9 16:08:15 localhost chat[624]: send (ATZ^M) May 9 16:08:15 localhost chat[624]: expect (OK) May 9 16:08:15 localhost chat[624]: ATZ^M^M May 9 16:08:15 localhost chat[624]: OK May 9 16:08:15 localhost chat[624]: -- got it May 9 16:08:15 localhost chat[624]: send (ATS11=58^M) May 9 16:08:15 localhost chat[624]: expect (OK) May 9 16:08:15 localhost chat[624]: ^M May 9 16:08:15 localhost chat[624]: ATS11=58^M^M May 9 16:08:15 localhost chat[624]: OK May 9 16:08:15 localhost chat[624]: -- got it May 9 16:08:15 localhost chat[624]: send (ATD18475563228^M) May 9 16:08:15 localhost chat[624]: expect (CONNECT) May 9 16:08:15 localhost chat[624]: ^M May 9 16:08:42 localhost chat[624]: ATD18475563228^M^M May 9 16:08:42 localhost chat[624]: CONNECT May 9 16:08:42 localhost chat[624]: -- got it May 9 16:08:42 localhost chat[624]: send (^M) May 9 16:08:42 localhost chat[624]: expect (srename:) May 9 16:08:42 localhost chat[624]: 57600^M May 9 16:08:44 localhost chat[624]: Welcome to EnterAct!^M May 9 16:08:44 localhost chat[624]: ^M May 9 16:08:44 localhost chat[624]: : PPP^M May 9 16:08:44 localhost chat[624]: C : CSLIP^M May 9 16:08:44 localhost chat[624]: N : Rlogin Nathan^M May 9 16:08:44 localhost chat[624]: P : Force Dynamic IP PPP Login^M May 9 16:08:44 localhost chat[624]: R : Rlogin Adam ^M May 9 16:08:44 localhost chat[624]: S : SLIP^M May 9 16:08:44 localhost chat[624]: ^M May 9 16:08:44 localhost last message repeated 3 times May 9 16:08:44 localhost chat[624]: login:^M system freezes, requiring hard reset... Kevin Coffee - kpc@enteract.com Mac-Next FAQ --> http://www.enteract.com/~kpc/next-mac-faq.html From s.doyle at cowan.edu.au Sun May 9 23:36:59 1999 From: s.doyle at cowan.edu.au (Steven Doyle) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:08 2005 Subject: Single User Mode Troubles Message-ID: <19990510143659.026942@139.230.169.11> Hi all! I had the dreaded apache crap-out syndrome today...except it wouldn't let me set its host name...so i followed the instructions floating around to rebuild a net-info database, I booted into single user mode and tried to copy the backups from /var/backups... except it keeps telling me that i can't rename or remove the local.ndib as its "read-only file system" (nothing works..rm, rdir cp, pax) I am appearing as root after 'su-ing', but i cant copy over the backups or the template files :( On boot it says can't load hostconfig, but a 'ls' of /etc reveals no hostconfig.... any ideas..i'm thinnking re-install is the solution, but *really* don't want to have to :( Cheers, Steve ========================================= Steven Doyle. B.Psych.Dip.Ed School of Communications and Multimedia Edith Cowan University. Perth. Australia ========================================= [e] s.doyle@cowan.edu.au From cpk at enternet.com.au Mon May 10 01:48:01 1999 From: cpk at enternet.com.au (Christiaan Knol) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:08 2005 Subject: Ethernet(BMac) giving problems Message-ID: After installing MacOSX Server, I have found it unusable due to very slow system response which I can attribute to the following message during boot up (verbose); Ethernet (BMac): Checking for time out - TxHead = 0 TxTail = 1 This appears about 90 times during startup, and halts the system as it checks. This continues after logging in, and happens every half second. The mouse "jerks" all over the screen (it only moves when it is free after checking), and disk access is halted as well. It makes things very slow and awkward. I am not connected to a network, have not specified any network services to start, and have even deselected the ethernet port in the assistant. I have been able to use it only once when I didn't receive the above message during boot up, and used it all day without any problems, but the next boot, everything went back to normal. I thought it worked that time due to me zapping PRAM, but have tried that again, with no success. I have reinstalled the system 4 times (on its own drive), and noticed this happens during installation as well after it has booted the first time, making the installation very slow. (G3 266 128M 3.5GB, installed on original internal drive (have tried other combinations) with all drives formatted with Drive Setup) Any thoughts? It is impossible to use at the moment.... TIA Christiaan From cvoelker at real-net.de Mon May 10 03:01:47 1999 From: cvoelker at real-net.de (Christian Voelker) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:08 2005 Subject: Umax S900: OF doesnt register other dev than sd0,0 Message-ID: Hello, to say the least, I couldnt stop todays night and went on, trying right everything possible. At this moment, Ive got the OF boot prompt on my formac (No Nine) card. It just needs as its output device. Mention, both cards are installed, the ATI and the formac. But thats dull and old stuff now. The next step is to get the system boot from CD and that is a mess again: There are some fine commands available in OF, beginning with . Using them combined with usual unix syntax like ls, pwd, / and .. you can walk through the device tree and see the command options of every device (with ). The full path of the internal scuzzy controller, called "mesh" is ). Every non-pci-device follows the gc-path. Does anyone know the meaning? Another interesting device alias is vci0 which points to /chaos@F0 00 00 00, the MacOS X installers default for the output device. Actually, I dont know what vci means (video controller internal???) Now, after these preliminaries, if I type at the OF prompt, it only reports two devices: sd@0,0 and st@0,0. sd@0,0 is my MacOS 8.x startup disc, but the cd-rom and the second disc are not registered with the device tree. stands for scsi-disc and in general points to a block-oriented device whereas is a generic byte-oriented device to my understanding. And this is the quiz for today: Why arent my other devices are registered with OF and how can I accomplish this? Happy hacking Christian From janos.lobb at yale.edu Mon May 10 06:25:42 1999 From: janos.lobb at yale.edu (=?iso-8859-1?Q?J=E1nos?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?_?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?L=F6bb?=) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:08 2005 Subject: OSX and TB2 In-Reply-To: <19990508010531.A19413@staff.feldberg.brandeis.edu> Message-ID: I saw something under: http://www.uk.research.att.com/vnc/download.html It is under gnu license and "unix source" code is downloadable. J??nos At 1:07 -0400 5/8/99, Nicholas Riley wrote: >On Fri, May 07, 1999 at 09:25:16PM -0700, Bill Taylor wrote: >> Anyone know if it is possible to load and run timbuk2 on the Max OS >> side of the OSX server and have the same control capabilities over >> the machine as normal. I miss my ability to remotely use the OSX >> server in that matter. Not being able to make simple HTML page >> corrections and additions without FTPing a new file up to the server >> is a lot of trouble not to mention remote control of the system. ??? > >Nothing like timbuktu, although I'm sure there will be in a few >months. You can always login via telnet/ssh/login program here> and run an editor on the pages, or use the AFP >server and edit with your favorite Mac editor. > >-- >Nicholas Riley J??nos L??bb Tel: 203-737-5204 Yale University Pathology Fax: 203-785-7303 310 Cedar St. Room BML104A janos.lobb@yale.edu New Haven CT 06510 Never take a candid-cookie from a stranger. From list.macosx-admin at tandb.com.au Mon May 10 08:10:38 1999 From: list.macosx-admin at tandb.com.au (T&B) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:08 2005 Subject: Web files access Message-ID: <541184.3135373838@ip199.tandb.com.au> How do I set up simple security for web directories in Apache? I've got Apache running (which wasn't hard) and finally not crashing. The HTML files are in a folder on an HFS+ volume. This allows us time to make them case sensitive and to mount the volume via AppleShare on authoring work stations. The "Web pages" folder is shared as an AppleShare volume for authoring workstations. The folder "www" inside "Web Pages" is Apache's root directory. With AppleShare read only access for everyone to "Web pages", web files serve fine. But if I secure "Web pages" against read only access for everyone but enable it for the www folder, web client requests get "Forbidden" results. How can I secure against guest AppleShare access but enable unprotected web access? On the flip side, how do I configure a folder inside www to have restricted access, ie prompting for a logon when accessed? I had a quick look at the docs but there's nothing obvious. Do I need to setup .htaccess files or something? What format? Thanks, Tom T&B http://www.tandb.com.au/appleshare/ From jao_vandelagemaat at nrel.gov Mon May 10 08:33:43 1999 From: jao_vandelagemaat at nrel.gov (van de Lagemaat, Jao) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:08 2005 Subject: Fix for Apache root process dying - alas - fouling-up of sco reboard file ? Message-ID: Hi Brian, This has been suggested before(check the apple's mac OS X server discussion forum), but unfortunately rotatelogs is not the source of the problem. When you log directly to a file, apache will not stop serving when it's root process dies, since the rotatelogs processes are launched by the root-server. This will ensure that you will not directly notice the problem. The root apache process will still die. The problem with this approach however , is that when your server-load suddenly gets larger, apache will not be able to launch extra server-processes. The only consistent way to have the apache-root not crash is to not log on to the machine via the console (telnet/ssh sessions (or any service like AFS, SMB, FTP, QTSS) do not seem to cause a problem). I have suggested before that when you give apache a higher priority the problem goes away. I discovered that this (unfortunately) only lightens the problem. If you enable the extended server -status feature, you can get a hint of what happens. If you keep checking the server-status from a client machine, you will notice that when you login, and f.i. check your pages with omniweb, the scoreboard file fouls up, in the way that it forgets the PID's of the child-servers, and shows impossible numbers in some of the timing columns. At this stage the apache-root will still be running, but will die only a few minutes later. This "scoreboard" is kept in some kind of shared memory space. I think it is possible that the implementation of this feature is not completely OK, or in some way can interact with the workspace (very weird, I agree). Unfortunately, I am not very well versed in programming at that level (I do a lot of numerical simulations, but never have to go this deep to do that), so I do not know how to go and take a crack at this. Anyway, I avoid the problem by running the script that was posted on this forum some time ago form crontab every few minutes (I guess I should give the writer some credit, but unfortunately I forgot his name) that checks whether the apache-parent still runs, if not kills all the children processes, and restarts apache. Regards, Jao ------ Dr. Jao van de Lagemaat Basic Sciences Center National Renewable Energy Laboratory 1617 Cole Boulevard Golden, Colorado 80401-3393 USA Phone: (303) 384-6143 Fax: (303) 384-6150 E-mail: jao_vandelagemaat@nrel.gov WWW: http://jvandel2.nrel.gov > ---------- > From: Brian Willoughby > Reply To: brianw@sounds.WA.COM > Sent: Friday, May 7, 1999 4:41 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Fix for Apache root process dying > > I do not subscribe to this list, but I recently went through the archives > > trying to find a clue as to why my Apache WebServer was dying frequently > under > Mac OS X Server on a Power Macintosh 9600/350. > > It turns out that the use of rotatelogs was causing the crash. This makes > > sense, because I never found any inkling of an error message with any of > the > multiple crashes. Since the logging caused the crash, it's not surprising > > that no error message was logged. > > I converted all logs to regular files instead of using rotatelog as > specified > in the default apache.conf supplied by Apple. I have been running for 3 > and > a half days with no problems, which seems significant considering that I > couldn't get Apache to run for more than 30 hours before. > > I hope this helps the many of you who have complained of Apache crashing. > > Now I need to find out who to report this to at Apple so that it will show > up > in the Tech Info Library and subsequent Release Notes. > > Brian Willoughby Software Design: NEXTSTEP, OpenStep, Rhapsody, MacOS > X > Sound Consulting Apple Enterprise Alliance Partner > NeXTmail welcome > Apple is the registered trademark of Apple Records, and > Macintosh is the registered trademark of Macintosh Laboratories, > used under license by Apple Computer, Inc. > > ------ Dr. Jao van de Lagemaat Basic Sciences Center National Renewable Energy Laboratory 1617 Cole Boulevard Golden, Colorado 80401-3393 USA Phone: (303) 384-6143 Fax: (303) 384-6150 E-mail: jao_vandelagemaat@nrel.gov WWW: http://jvandel2.nrel.gov From x3 at earthling.net Mon May 10 08:54:39 1999 From: x3 at earthling.net (Adam Wilson) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:08 2005 Subject: HELP! My man pages are busted.. :( Message-ID: This just barely started happening to me and I can't figure out the problem... [www:~] # man man: Formatting manual page... groff: couldn't exec troff: Not a directory groff: couldn't exec grotty: Not a directory any suggestions.... I don't know how 'man' works so I don't know where to begin looking.... -Adam Wilson- From commlink at primenet.com Mon May 10 09:21:45 1999 From: commlink at primenet.com (Drew Janssen) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:08 2005 Subject: HELP! My man pages are busted.. :( In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello, Adam (et al.) In an email of 5/10/99 8:55 -0700, Adam Wilson mentioned: >This just barely started happening to me and I can't figure >out the problem... > >[www:~] # man >man: Formatting manual page... >groff: couldn't exec troff: Not a directory >groff: couldn't exec grotty: Not a directory > >any suggestions.... >I don't know how 'man' works so I don't know where to begin >looking.... To find out if you actually have those 'man' pages, use the Workspace Manager and - from the root folder - click until you arrive at: [your mac name]/System/Documentation/ManPages/ ...and you should see a list of "cat..." and "man..." pages there. Just FYI, another good place to go for more info is in: [your mac name]/System/Documentation/ReadMe/ and see the categories there. Under each is a set of html pages that discuss various services. Hope that helps you. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Drew Janssen, Webmaster & Sysadmin http://www.hostdifferent.net "Small, private, and rocket-fast" [G3 350 running MacOS X Server] Email: drew@hostdifferent.net (preferred) or commlink@primenet.com (alternate) =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= From fabienr at ncmi.com Mon May 10 10:51:29 1999 From: fabienr at ncmi.com (Fabien Roy) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:08 2005 Subject: Single User Mode Troubles In-Reply-To: <19990510143659.026942@139.230.169.11> References: <19990510143659.026942@139.230.169.11> Message-ID: <199905101752.KAA10525@ignem.omnigroup.com> RTFM! Sorry I could not resist. There is a message at the end of the single user boot process telling how to run fsck and how to mount the boot volume read/write. Fabien. You wrote: > Hi all! > > I had the dreaded apache crap-out syndrome today...except it > wouldn't let me set its host name...so i followed the instructions > floating around to rebuild a net-info database, I booted into > single user mode and tried to copy the backups from /var/backups... > > except it keeps telling me that i can't rename or remove the > local.ndib as its "read-only file system" (nothing works..rm, rdir > cp, pax) > > I am appearing as root after 'su-ing', but i cant copy over the > backups or the template files :( > > On boot it says can't load hostconfig, but a 'ls' of /etc reveals > no hostconfig.... > > any ideas..i'm thinnking re-install is the solution, but *really* > don't want to have to :( > > Cheers, > > Steve > > ========================================= > Steven Doyle. B.Psych.Dip.Ed > School of Communications and Multimedia > Edith Cowan University. Perth. Australia > ========================================= > [e] s.doyle@cowan.edu.au > --- Fabien L Roy NationsBanc Montgomery Securities, LLC voice: (704)386-75-76 100 North Tryon Street fax: (704)388-95-64 NC1-007-09-08 Charlotte NC 28255 Beeper: 143-9722 (1-800-946-46-46) or http://www.MobileComm.com/message/ email: fabienr@ncmi.com (NeXT/Mime) Pager-email 1439722@mobilecomm.net From x3 at earthling.net Mon May 10 11:52:47 1999 From: x3 at earthling.net (Adam Wilson) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:08 2005 Subject: HELP! My man pages are busted.. :( In-Reply-To: Message-ID: i checked for the man pages... they're all there and the HTML readmes didn't say anything about using man... has anyone else had this kind of a problem... I don't know if I will be able to live much longer with out the use of them.... :) -Adam- > > To find out if you actually have those 'man' pages, use > the > Workspace Manager and - from the root folder - click > until you arrive > at: > > [your mac name]/System/Documentation/ManPages/ > > ...and you should see a list of "cat..." and "man..." > pages there. > > Just FYI, another good place to go for more info is in: > > [your mac name]/System/Documentation/ReadMe/ and see the > categories there. Under each is a set of html pages that > discuss > various services. > > Hope that helps you. > > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > Drew Janssen, Webmaster & Sysadmin > http://www.hostdifferent.net > "Small, private, and rocket-fast" > [G3 350 running MacOS X Server] > Email: > drew@hostdifferent.net (preferred) > or > commlink@primenet.com (alternate) > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > From commlink at primenet.com Mon May 10 12:22:13 1999 From: commlink at primenet.com (Drew Janssen) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:08 2005 Subject: man page kludge (or not) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hey, Adam (et al.), In an email of 5/10/99 11:54 -0700, Adam Wilson mentioned: >i checked for the man pages... they're all there and the >HTML readmes didn't say anything about using man... > >has anyone else had this kind of a problem... I don't know >if I will be able to live much longer with out the use of >them.... :) Ok, here's some workarounds if you can't get them to do their thing in Terminal.\ 1. Bulldozer Method (aka Archeology): Go to /System/Documentation/ManPages/ and see the list of "cat..." and "man..." directories. Click on any of the "man..." directories, see a list of files. Scoot up and down the list looking for what you want. Click on any file to open in TextEdit, from whence you can read and print. 2. The "I Know Unix, Just Point Me There" Method: Go to /usr/share/man/ (which is where they REALLY are) and see the subdirectories for all the man files. Grep for whatever. If it doesn't work, go one level deeper and keep grepping. Or resort to Method #1, above. 3. The "OK, Let's Just Set This Up Right" Method: In the Workspace Manager, go to: /System/Developer/Source/Commands/doc_cmds/ Find the "man" directory, and dork with the ".conf" files until it does what you expect it to. There's actually a whole bunch of useful stuff in the doc_cmds directory, but I'm trying to keep this email short. Hope that helps a little... //Drew =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Drew Janssen, Webmaster & Sysadmin http://www.hostdifferent.net "Small, private, and rocket-fast" [G3 350 running MacOS X Server] Email: drew@hostdifferent.net (preferred) or commlink@primenet.com (alternate) =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= From inphlux at lotek.org Mon May 10 14:35:32 1999 From: inphlux at lotek.org (ix) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:08 2005 Subject: How to write Darwin 0.2 image to partition? Message-ID: <199905102052.QAA10287@project.lotek.org> just wondering how to write the Darwin 0.2 SCSI Device Image to something besides an entire drive. for example a partition on a larger drive in the manner that the os x server installer allows. the included restore program seems to only allow wiping the entire drive (which is not an option here). im sure that some utility or tool should be able to do this, i just do not know which one. thanks if you have any suggestions. From cpk at enternet.com.au Mon May 10 14:39:24 1999 From: cpk at enternet.com.au (Christiaan Knol) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:08 2005 Subject: Ethernet(BMac) giving problems Message-ID: After installing MacOSX Server, I have found it unusable due to very slow system response which I can attribute to the following message during boot up (verbose); Ethernet (BMac): Checking for time out - TxHead = 0 TxTail = 1 This appears about 90 times during startup, and halts the system as it checks. This continues after logging in, and happens every half second. The mouse "jerks" all over the screen (it only moves when it is free after checking), and disk access is halted as well. It makes things very slow and awkward. I am not connected to a network, have not specified any network services to start, and have even deselected the ethernet port in the assistant. I have been able to use it only once when I didn't receive the above message during boot up, and used it all day without any problems, but the next boot, everything went back to normal. I thought it worked that time due to me zapping PRAM, but have tried that again, with no success. I have reinstalled the system 4 times (on its own drive), and noticed this happens during installation as well after it has booted the first time, making the installation very slow. (G3 266 128M 3.5GB, installed on original internal drive (have tried other combinations) with all drives formatted with Drive Setup) Any thoughts? It is impossible to use at the moment.... TIA Christiaan From rcfa at cubiculum.com Mon May 10 13:35:50 1999 From: rcfa at cubiculum.com (Ronald C.F. Antony) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:08 2005 Subject: HELP! My man pages are busted.. :( In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <199905102035.QAA06638@kannix.cubiculum.com> > [www:~] # man > man: Formatting manual page... > groff: couldn't exec troff: Not a directory > groff: couldn't exec grotty: Not a directory man is a script, that calls groff. Groff seems to try find resources in a directory called troff which probably means a set of resources for troff macros and also seems to try to find terminal type specific information in a folder called grotty. (These are just guesses from the names and error messages). Looks to me like the permissions to these directories have been messed up, or the directories have been deleted. Did you delete some "useless files" or install something with the woefully broken Installer.app that could have affected files there? Ronald ============================================================================== "The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man." G.B. Shaw | rcfa@cubiculum.com | NeXT-mail welcome From rkeniger at johnwiley.com.au Mon May 10 22:58:44 1999 From: rkeniger at johnwiley.com.au (rkeniger@johnwiley.com.au) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:08 2005 Subject: QTSS: how to make bandwidth-sensing reference movies? Message-ID: <4A25676E.0020D834.00@www.johnwiley.com.au> Terry Brady wrote: >I know that you can create multiple copies of the same source (live or = prerecorded) encoded for different bitrates. I know that you can create a = reference movie which checks your QuickTime plugin settings and >refers you = to the most appropriate streaming source. I even know where to find one: = >http://www.apple.com/quicktime/showcase/news/bbc/bbc_world.mov for example.= >But I can't find an answer to this question: how do I create such a movie = for myself? Terry, You should try using Media Cleaner Pro, from Terran Interactive- http://www.terran.com (who have just been bought by Media 100 BTW). It allows you to do just this, and more. It is absolutely the best Quicktime compression package out there, with a plethora of options. (I believe version 4 creates "hinted" files for streaming too) Regards, Rob Keniger Multimedia Coordinator Jacaranda Wiley Pty Ltd 33 Park Road Milton Qld Australia From chongt at bah.com Tue May 11 08:15:37 1999 From: chongt at bah.com (Chong Tim) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:08 2005 Subject: Broken man pages... References: <199905111458.HAA26623@ignem.omnigroup.com> Message-ID: <37384999.2E6B1487@bah.com> man not working? It happened to me before... I think the 2nd day I got the OS last month... you might wanna check your /etc/man.conf, and also your MANPATH. TC -- Tim S.H. Chong CSE/Singapore, CS&T-BA&H MIME | ASCII | NeXTmail OK! GSM +65-9672-2153 (My Time Zone: GMT+8) Cogita differenter! From ismail at kuwait.net Tue May 11 08:51:47 1999 From: ismail at kuwait.net (Ismail Tabtabai) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:08 2005 Subject: DriverKit released. Message-ID: Hello, Since the DriverKit is released in Darwin, I wonder if anyone knows if it can be used under OS X Server. I could not open the PB because of some kind of an error. Also, does that mean that I can used my external modem on G3 to connect to the internet? -- -- Regards, Ismail GranSpec(tm) Truth Seeker. ***** From crank at mail.ucf.edu Tue May 11 13:20:40 1999 From: crank at mail.ucf.edu (Chris Rank) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:08 2005 Subject: Fix for Apache root process dying - alas - fouling-up of sco Message-ID: I have found that even if you don't log into the console, the process still dies. At any rate..can you send me a binary of that script that runs in Cron...I need to solve this problem. Christopher L. Rank Sr. Computer Support Specialist College of Education University of Central Florida (407) 823-0164 crank@mail.ucf.edu http://www.ucfed.ucf.edu/chris/ >>> "van de Lagemaat, Jao" 05/10 11:37 AM >>> Hi Brian, This has been suggested before(check the apple's mac OS X server discussion forum), but unfortunately rotatelogs is not the source of the problem. When you log directly to a file, apache will not stop serving when it's root process dies, since the rotatelogs processes are launched by the root-server. This will ensure that you will not directly notice the problem. The root apache process will still die. The problem with this approach however , is that when your server-load suddenly gets larger, apache will not be able to launch extra server-processes. The only consistent way to have the apache-root not crash is to not log on to the machine via the console (telnet/ssh sessions (or any service like AFS, SMB, FTP, QTSS) do not seem to cause a problem). I have suggested before that when you give apache a higher priority the problem goes away. I discovered that this (unfortunately) only lightens the problem. If you enable the extended server -status feature, you can get a hint of what happens. If you keep checking the server-status from a client machine, you will notice that when you login, and f.i. check your pages with omniweb, the scoreboard file fouls up, in the way that it forgets the PID's of the child-servers, and shows impossible numbers in some of the timing columns. At this stage the apache-root will still be running, but will die only a few minutes later. This "scoreboard" is kept in some kind of shared memory space. I think it is possible that the implementation of this feature is not completely OK, or in some way can interact with the workspace (very weird, I agree). Unfortunately, I am not very well versed in programming at that level (I do a lot of numerical simulations, but never have to go this deep to do that), so I do not know how to go and take a crack at this. Anyway, I avoid the problem by running the script that was posted on this forum some time ago form crontab every few minutes (I guess I should give the writer some credit, but unfortunately I forgot his name) that checks whether the apache-parent still runs, if not kills all the children processes, and restarts apache. Regards, Jao ------ Dr. Jao van de Lagemaat Basic Sciences Center National Renewable Energy Laboratory 1617 Cole Boulevard Golden, Colorado 80401-3393 USA Phone: (303) 384-6143 Fax: (303) 384-6150 E-mail: jao_vandelagemaat@nrel.gov WWW: http://jvandel2.nrel.gov > ---------- > From: Brian Willoughby > Reply To: brianw@sounds.WA.COM > Sent: Friday, May 7, 1999 4:41 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Fix for Apache root process dying > > I do not subscribe to this list, but I recently went through the archives > > trying to find a clue as to why my Apache WebServer was dying frequently > under > Mac OS X Server on a Power Macintosh 9600/350. > > It turns out that the use of rotatelogs was causing the crash. This makes > > sense, because I never found any inkling of an error message with any of > the > multiple crashes. Since the logging caused the crash, it's not surprising > > that no error message was logged. > > I converted all logs to regular files instead of using rotatelog as > specified > in the default apache.conf supplied by Apple. I have been running for 3 > and > a half days with no problems, which seems significant considering that I > couldn't get Apache to run for more than 30 hours before. > > I hope this helps the many of you who have complained of Apache crashing. > > Now I need to find out who to report this to at Apple so that it will show > up > in the Tech Info Library and subsequent Release Notes. > > Brian Willoughby Software Design: NEXTSTEP, OpenStep, Rhapsody, MacOS > X > Sound Consulting Apple Enterprise Alliance Partner > NeXTmail welcome > Apple is the registered trademark of Apple Records, and > Macintosh is the registered trademark of Macintosh Laboratories, > used under license by Apple Computer, Inc. > > ------ Dr. Jao van de Lagemaat Basic Sciences Center National Renewable Energy Laboratory 1617 Cole Boulevard Golden, Colorado 80401-3393 USA Phone: (303) 384-6143 Fax: (303) 384-6150 E-mail: jao_vandelagemaat@nrel.gov WWW: http://jvandel2.nrel.gov From jao_vandelagemaat at nrel.gov Tue May 11 13:39:16 1999 From: jao_vandelagemaat at nrel.gov (van de Lagemaat, Jao) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:08 2005 Subject: perl script (was RE: RE: Fix for Apache root process dying - alas - fouling-up of sco Message-ID: Hi Chris, here it comes (unfortunately I do not know who wrote it, this has been published before on this forum): #!/usr/bin/perl use POSIX qw(:errno_h); open PID,"/Local/Library/WebServer/Logs/apache.pid"; $apache=; close (PID); chomp($apache); if (!(kill 0 => $apache)) { open RESTARTLOG,">> /var/log/fixapache.log"; $date=`date`; print RESTARTLOG "Apache restarted at $date"; close (RESTARTLOG); &killprocess("apache"); system("/usr/sbin/apachectl stop"); unlink ("/Local/Library/WebServer/Logs/apache.pid"); system("/usr/sbin/apachectl start"); } sub killprocess { my ($diediedie)=@_; my(@ps,$x); @ps=`ps ax`; chop(@ps); for ($x=0;$x<@ps;$x++) { if ($ps[$x]=~/^\s*([0-9]+).*[\s\/]$diediedie/) { `kill -9 $1`; } } } I have put this as a text-file called apnow in the /etc/ directory. and added a line to crontab(also in /etc/ according to the following (just copy and paste the atrun line, and change it): #min hour mday month wday user command */5 * * * * root /etc/apnow */10 * * * * root /usr/libexec/atrun This will run the script every five minutes. I have also discovered that forcing the SERVER-paramter in /etc/hostconfig to always be -NO- gets rid of the problem (see my latest post on the OS X discussion forum) good luck with your server! ------ Dr. Jao van de Lagemaat Basic Sciences Center National Renewable Energy Laboratory 1617 Cole Boulevard Golden, Colorado 80401-3393 USA Phone: (303) 384-6143 Fax: (303) 384-6150 E-mail: jao_vandelagemaat@nrel.gov WWW: http://jvandel2.nrel.gov > ---------- > From: Chris Rank > Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 1999 2:20 PM > To: jao_vandelagemaat@nrel.gov > Subject: Re: RE: Fix for Apache root process dying - alas - > fouling-up of sco > > I have found that even if you don't log into the console, the process > still dies. At any rate..can you send me a binary of that script that > runs in Cron...I need to solve this problem. > > Christopher L. Rank > Sr. Computer Support Specialist > College of Education > University of Central Florida > (407) 823-0164 > crank@mail.ucf.edu > http://www.ucfed.ucf.edu/chris/ > > >>> "van de Lagemaat, Jao" 05/10 11:37 AM > >>> > Hi Brian, > > This has been suggested before(check the apple's mac OS X server > discussion > forum), but unfortunately rotatelogs is not the source of the problem. > When > you log directly to a file, apache will not stop serving when it's > root > process dies, since the rotatelogs processes are launched by the > root-server. This will ensure that you will not directly notice the > problem. > The root apache process will still die. The problem with this approach > however , is that when your server-load suddenly gets larger, apache > will > not be able to launch extra server-processes. The only consistent way > to > have the apache-root not crash is to not log on to the machine via the > console (telnet/ssh sessions (or any service like AFS, SMB, FTP, QTSS) > do > not seem to cause a problem). I have suggested before that when you > give > apache a higher priority the problem goes away. I discovered that this > (unfortunately) only lightens the problem. If you enable the extended > server > -status feature, you can get a hint of what happens. If you keep > checking > the server-status from a client machine, you will notice that when you > login, and f.i. check your pages with omniweb, the scoreboard file > fouls up, > in the way that it forgets the PID's of the child-servers, and shows > impossible numbers in some of the timing columns. At this stage the > apache-root will still be running, but will die only a few minutes > later. > This "scoreboard" is kept in some kind of shared memory space. I think > it is > possible that the implementation of this feature is not completely OK, > or in > some way can interact with the workspace (very weird, I agree). > Unfortunately, I am not very well versed in programming at that level > (I do > a lot of numerical simulations, but never have to go this deep to do > that), > so I do not know how to go and take a crack at this. > > Anyway, I avoid the problem by running the script that was posted on > this > forum some time ago form crontab every few minutes (I guess I should > give > the writer some credit, but unfortunately I forgot his name) that > checks > whether the apache-parent still runs, if not kills all the children > processes, and restarts apache. > > Regards, Jao > ------ > Dr. Jao van de Lagemaat > Basic Sciences Center > National Renewable Energy Laboratory > 1617 Cole Boulevard > Golden, Colorado 80401-3393 USA > Phone: (303) 384-6143 > Fax: (303) 384-6150 > E-mail: jao_vandelagemaat@nrel.gov > WWW: http://jvandel2.nrel.gov > > > ---------- > > From: Brian Willoughby > > Reply To: brianw@sounds.WA.COM > > Sent: Friday, May 7, 1999 4:41 PM > > To: Multiple recipients of list > > Subject: Fix for Apache root process dying > > > > I do not subscribe to this list, but I recently went through the > archives > > > > trying to find a clue as to why my Apache WebServer was dying > frequently > > under > > Mac OS X Server on a Power Macintosh 9600/350. > > > > It turns out that the use of rotatelogs was causing the crash. This > makes > > > > sense, because I never found any inkling of an error message with any > of > > the > > multiple crashes. Since the logging caused the crash, it's not > surprising > > > > that no error message was logged. > > > > I converted all logs to regular files instead of using rotatelog as > > specified > > in the default apache.conf supplied by Apple. I have been running > for 3 > > and > > a half days with no problems, which seems significant considering > that I > > couldn't get Apache to run for more than 30 hours before. > > > > I hope this helps the many of you who have complained of Apache > crashing. > > > > Now I need to find out who to report this to at Apple so that it will > show > > up > > in the Tech Info Library and subsequent Release Notes. > > > > Brian Willoughby Software Design: NEXTSTEP, OpenStep, Rhapsody, > MacOS > > X > > Sound Consulting Apple Enterprise Alliance Partner > > NeXTmail welcome > > Apple is the registered trademark of Apple Records, and > > Macintosh is the registered trademark of Macintosh Laboratories, > > used under license by Apple Computer, Inc. > > > > > ------ > Dr. Jao van de Lagemaat > Basic Sciences Center > National Renewable Energy Laboratory > 1617 Cole Boulevard > Golden, Colorado 80401-3393 USA > Phone: (303) 384-6143 > Fax: (303) 384-6150 > E-mail: jao_vandelagemaat@nrel.gov > WWW: http://jvandel2.nrel.gov > > ------ Dr. Jao van de Lagemaat Basic Sciences Center National Renewable Energy Laboratory 1617 Cole Boulevard Golden, Colorado 80401-3393 USA Phone: (303) 384-6143 Fax: (303) 384-6150 E-mail: jao_vandelagemaat@nrel.gov WWW: http://jvandel2.nrel.gov From rcfa at cubiculum.com Tue May 11 13:26:04 1999 From: rcfa at cubiculum.com (Ronald C.F. Antony) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:08 2005 Subject: [OT] volunteers wanted References: Message-ID: <199905112026.QAA10940@kannix.cubiculum.com> Hi, I have recently had obnoxious side effects resulting from minor network outages. In essense, all the reliably working secondary DNS servers for my domain are dependent on mostly the same links, so if that goes down, chances are that large parts of the internet will have DNS lookup failures when trying to send mail, or even when trying to receive mail and verifying the sender. The latter is particularly obnoxious, since various chache lifetimes prolong the touble until way past when the link failure is over. (Most likely, this very message will be affected by this). Thus I'm looking for volunteers who have 24*7 network connections and the authority to host secondary DNS service on their machines. My domain is not a high-volume site (currently all access is through CSLIP), so the load on the DNS server is minimal. Of course, I'm willing to host reciprocal secondary DNS service, as long as the site in question is reasonably low volume. (I don't want to have yahoo.com DNS lookups squeezing through the CSLIP connection ;-) ) Greetings, Ronald ============================================================================== "The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man." G.B. Shaw | rcfa@cubiculum.com | NeXT-mail welcome From rcfa at cubiculum.com Mon May 10 23:29:33 1999 From: rcfa at cubiculum.com (Ronald C.F. Antony) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:08 2005 Subject: [OT] two IP addresses, one NIC References: Message-ID: <199905110629.CAA08511@kannix.cubiculum.com> In an effort to answer my own question, I wonder if anyone knows if it's possible to run PPP over virtmodem, or if the PPP datastream is incompatible with that. (I remember in times past it was e.g. impossible to run UUCP over a tty/pty pair until there were special versions of UUCP devised that allowed for that). Ronald ============================================================================== "The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man." G.B. Shaw | rcfa@cubiculum.com | NeXT-mail welcome From rcfa at cubiculum.com Mon May 10 22:47:21 1999 From: rcfa at cubiculum.com (Ronald C.F. Antony) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:08 2005 Subject: [OT] two IP addresses, one NIC In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <199905110547.BAA08392@kannix.cubiculum.com> Hi, I was wondering if anyone tried (and succeeded) setting up OS-Mach such as to accept packages for more than one IP address on a single ethernet port. The concrete issue is: I have a LAN of NeXT's and a portable PC (which thus cannot serve for the purpose, since it needs to remain portable) plus in the near future I'll add a PowerBook to the equation, which for similar reasons cannot serve as a network gateway. So my LAN has obviously it's internal IP address numbering scheme, and I plan to get a cable modem, which means I will either get a fixed or DHCP assigned IP number for the gateway machine. Obviously however, it should remain part of the local LAN as seen by the rest of my environment. so if the cable modem expects a host 1.2.3.4 to be the gateway, and my LAN expects the host to be 11.22.33.44, how can I make one machine on one ethernet interface accept packages for both 11.22.33.44 and for 1.2.3.4? Am I SOL, or is there a way to get this done with the tools available for OS-Mach (or NeXTSTEP)? (Note: this is a NeXT, not a PC box, where I could stick in a second NIC). Greetings, Ronald ============================================================================== "The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man." G.B. Shaw | rcfa@cubiculum.com | NeXT-mail welcome From afindlay at austin.rr.com Tue May 11 19:12:57 1999 From: afindlay at austin.rr.com (afindlay@austin.rr.com) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:08 2005 Subject: Fix for Apache root process dying - alas - fouling-up Message-ID: <004071611020c59SM2@Mail.austin.rr.com> Someone posted to Tech Exchange that they solved the problem by editing the hostconfig file so that the Server=-YES- option was disabled. Has anyone tired that? ---------- >From: "Chris Rank" >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: Re: RE: Fix for Apache root process dying - alas - fouling-up >Date: Tue, May 11, 1999, 3:21 PM > > I have found that even if you don't log into the console, the process > still dies. At any rate..can you send me a binary of that script that > runs in Cron...I need to solve this problem. > > Christopher L. Rank > Sr. Computer Support Specialist > College of Education > University of Central Florida > (407) 823-0164 > crank@mail.ucf.edu > http://www.ucfed.ucf.edu/chris/ > >>>> "van de Lagemaat, Jao" 05/10 11:37 AM >>>> > Hi Brian, > > This has been suggested before(check the apple's mac OS X server > discussion > forum), but unfortunately rotatelogs is not the source of the problem. > When > you log directly to a file, apache will not stop serving when it's > root > process dies, since the rotatelogs processes are launched by the > root-server. This will ensure that you will not directly notice the > problem. > The root apache process will still die. The problem with this approach > however , is that when your server-load suddenly gets larger, apache > will > not be able to launch extra server-processes. The only consistent way > to > have the apache-root not crash is to not log on to the machine via the > console (telnet/ssh sessions (or any service like AFS, SMB, FTP, QTSS) > do > not seem to cause a problem). I have suggested before that when you > give > apache a higher priority the problem goes away. I discovered that this > (unfortunately) only lightens the problem. If you enable the extended > server > -status feature, you can get a hint of what happens. If you keep > checking > the server-status from a client machine, you will notice that when you > login, and f.i. check your pages with omniweb, the scoreboard file > fouls up, > in the way that it forgets the PID's of the child-servers, and shows > impossible numbers in some of the timing columns. At this stage the > apache-root will still be running, but will die only a few minutes > later. > This "scoreboard" is kept in some kind of shared memory space. I think > it is > possible that the implementation of this feature is not completely OK, > or in > some way can interact with the workspace (very weird, I agree). > Unfortunately, I am not very well versed in programming at that level > (I do > a lot of numerical simulations, but never have to go this deep to do > that), > so I do not know how to go and take a crack at this. > > Anyway, I avoid the problem by running the script that was posted on > this > forum some time ago form crontab every few minutes (I guess I should > give > the writer some credit, but unfortunately I forgot his name) that > checks > whether the apache-parent still runs, if not kills all the children > processes, and restarts apache. > > Regards, Jao > ------ > Dr. Jao van de Lagemaat > Basic Sciences Center > National Renewable Energy Laboratory > 1617 Cole Boulevard > Golden, Colorado 80401-3393 USA > Phone: (303) 384-6143 > Fax: (303) 384-6150 > E-mail: jao_vandelagemaat@nrel.gov > WWW: http://jvandel2.nrel.gov > >> ---------- >> From: Brian Willoughby >> Reply To: brianw@sounds.WA.COM >> Sent: Friday, May 7, 1999 4:41 PM >> To: Multiple recipients of list >> Subject: Fix for Apache root process dying >> >> I do not subscribe to this list, but I recently went through the > archives >> >> trying to find a clue as to why my Apache WebServer was dying > frequently >> under >> Mac OS X Server on a Power Macintosh 9600/350. >> >> It turns out that the use of rotatelogs was causing the crash. This > makes >> >> sense, because I never found any inkling of an error message with any > of >> the >> multiple crashes. Since the logging caused the crash, it's not > surprising >> >> that no error message was logged. >> >> I converted all logs to regular files instead of using rotatelog as >> specified >> in the default apache.conf supplied by Apple. I have been running > for 3 >> and >> a half days with no problems, which seems significant considering > that I >> couldn't get Apache to run for more than 30 hours before. >> >> I hope this helps the many of you who have complained of Apache > crashing. >> >> Now I need to find out who to report this to at Apple so that it will > show >> up >> in the Tech Info Library and subsequent Release Notes. >> >> Brian Willoughby Software Design: NEXTSTEP, OpenStep, Rhapsody, > MacOS >> X >> Sound Consulting Apple Enterprise Alliance Partner >> NeXTmail welcome >> Apple is the registered trademark of Apple Records, and >> Macintosh is the registered trademark of Macintosh Laboratories, >> used under license by Apple Computer, Inc. >> >> > ------ > Dr. Jao van de Lagemaat > Basic Sciences Center > National Renewable Energy Laboratory > 1617 Cole Boulevard > Golden, Colorado 80401-3393 USA > Phone: (303) 384-6143 > Fax: (303) 384-6150 > E-mail: jao_vandelagemaat@nrel.gov > WWW: http://jvandel2.nrel.gov > From mjwise at kapu.net Tue May 11 23:32:32 1999 From: mjwise at kapu.net (Michael J Wise) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:09 2005 Subject: Fix for Apache root process dying - alas - fouling-up In-Reply-To: <004071611020c59SM2@Mail.austin.rr.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 11 May 1999, afindlay@austin.rr.com wrote: > Someone posted to Tech Exchange that they solved the problem by editing the > hostconfig file so that the Server=-YES- option was disabled. Has anyone > tired that? IIRC, that was Jao. I tried a variant of that fix several weeks ago by disabling the QTSS, and it did not work. The server still crashed. But I have modified the file, and will try it again tomorrow and report back. BTW, "" to Ahdahm! (8-) Aloha mai Nai`a! -- "Please have your Internet License http://kapu.net/~mjwise/ and Usenet Registration handy..." From mjwise at kapu.net Tue May 11 23:39:27 1999 From: mjwise at kapu.net (Michael J Wise) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:09 2005 Subject: How about an "Apache Suicide Problem" list? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I could set up an "asp-l@kapu.net", and we could take the discussions about the various proposed solutions, put up some web-based FAQs and such like. A token Apple tech or engineer hiding in the shadows would be kewl as well. Is this a good idea, or a bad? Aloh amai Nai`a (who has SmartList running and ready) ! -- "Please have your Internet License http://kapu.net/~mjwise/ and Usenet Registration handy..." From mjwise at kapu.net Tue May 11 23:44:15 1999 From: mjwise at kapu.net (Michael J Wise) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:09 2005 Subject: Postmaster at francetelecom.fr... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: ... is really starting to peeve me off. Any way to find out who's mail is bouncing and remove them from the list, or contact these guys and arrange a little clue-transfer? For those who don't get it, every time I send a piece of email to the list, some postmaster process in France sends ME a bounce message. Shouldn't that go to omnigroup instead, yeah? Aloha mai Nai`a! -- "Please have your Internet License http://kapu.net/~mjwise/ and Usenet Registration handy..." From asato at concentric.net Tue May 11 00:37:32 1999 From: asato at concentric.net (asato) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:09 2005 Subject: IDE HD problem Message-ID: <199905120735.DAA18784@mcfeely.concentric.net> Hello everyone, I hope someone can help me. After installing OSXS on a beige G3 w/ UW SCSI (OSXS) and an IDE (OS 8.5, HFS+) HDs, a problem occurred on the IDE HD. When starting up in OS 8.5 or 8.6, it freezes up at the desktop after mounting the boot volume (tried this with the G3 install disk and Norton 4.. also tried with zapping pram and moving back the UW SCSI to 8.5). On the other hand, OSXS, after starting up, reports that the IDE HD has a problem, but offers only to initialize it. Is there any utility for OSXS out there that might help? Here's a nutty idea... If I go ahead an initialize in OSXS does it do a high level format? -- would it then be possible to bring it up in 8.5 to recover data? If anyone has any ideas of how to recover some (or all) of the data, I'd really appreciate it. I'm dying since I didn't back up before installing. PLEASE!! THANKS! Keith From mjwise at kapu.net Wed May 12 02:51:51 1999 From: mjwise at kapu.net (Michael J Wise) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:09 2005 Subject: Fix for Apache root process dying - alas - fouling-up In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 11 May 1999, Michael J Wise wrote: > I tried a variant of that fix several weeks ago by disabling the QTSS, and > it did not work. The server still crashed. But I have modified the file, > and will try it again tomorrow and report back. It still doesn't work. I'm running with only 64MB of RAM, but still, no exceptional paging activity when the process dies. Aloha mai Nai`a! -- "Please have your Internet License http://kapu.net/~mjwise/ and Usenet Registration handy..." From dev at humph.com Wed May 12 03:09:58 1999 From: dev at humph.com (Giuliano Gavazzi (dev)) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:09 2005 Subject: [OT] two IP addresses, one NIC In-Reply-To: <199905110547.BAA08392@kannix.cubiculum.com> Message-ID: At 12:52 am +0100 1999/05/12, Ronald C.F. Antony wrote: >Hi, > >I was wondering if anyone tried (and succeeded) setting up OS-Mach >such as to accept packages for more than one IP address on a single >ethernet port. you mean packets. The answer, if I understand the question, is yes. You have to use ifconfig to add a secondary (alias) address to your interface (well, I have never used OS-Mach, but if this does not work, then throw it away..). Note that with MacOS XS there is still a problem with ifconfig in that it does only display the primary IP of an interface (ifconfig -a). The ifconfig that I compiled for Rhapsody DR2 hasn't got this limitation (see ftp://ns.humph.com/pub/). >The concrete issue is: I have a LAN of NeXT's and a portable PC >(which thus cannot serve for the purpose, since it needs to remain >portable) plus in the near future I'll add a PowerBook to the equation, >which for similar reasons cannot serve as a network gateway. > >So my LAN has obviously it's internal IP address numbering scheme, you mean "its"... (sorry) >and I plan to get a cable modem, which means I will either get a >fixed or DHCP assigned IP number for the gateway machine. >Obviously however, it should remain part of the local LAN as seen >by the rest of my environment. > >so if the cable modem expects a host 1.2.3.4 to be the gateway, >and my LAN expects the host to be 11.22.33.44, how can I make I do not understand what you mean here. I have never used cable modems but I believe that the cable modem will be the gateway, and your computers on the lan will use that as the default gateway. But since you'll presumably be given only one IP address, you will need masquerading, and the machine that will do masquerading will be the router between the cable modem and your LAN. I have no idea if OS-Mach supports masquerading, but you might find a clever cable modem box that can do that for you. Giuliano H U M P H || ||| software development of: Java & C++ Client/Human Interface applications. Native Server applications on MacOS - MacOS X - (Mk)Linux http://www.humph.com/ From cpk at enternet.com.au Wed May 12 05:54:41 1999 From: cpk at enternet.com.au (Christiaan Knol) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:09 2005 Subject: Please Help!! (Bmac Ethernet problem) Message-ID: As yet, I have not been able to find out what I can do to get my system working as it should, is there somewhere else I can try to get answers? Have tried all Apples support areas and TIL's, but no luck anywhere. This is really annoying, as I want to use MacOSX Server but am unable to. Surely there must be some kind of fix? Thanks again, Christiaan From jao_vandelagemaat at nrel.gov Wed May 12 07:52:07 1999 From: jao_vandelagemaat at nrel.gov (van de Lagemaat, Jao) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:09 2005 Subject: Fix for Apache root process dying - alas - fouling-up Message-ID: Hi Michael, Have you tried looking with top in a telnet session from another machine or in a terminal what happens to your free memory when you log in or launch the blue box. In my case with SERVER=-YES- the free memory goes all the way to zero. and this "nicely" correlates with crashes of the apache-process. I have a bit more memory than you do, so it is possible that even with SERVER=-NO- you run into low memory conditions while I do not. I have 128 MB memory, and when I log on the free memory decreases from about 50 MB to 40 MB. If I lauch the bluebox and launch a webbrowser inside the bluebox and point it to the local webserver, it goes down all the way to 5940K. Imagine what happens if you start off with 20 MB free and nobody logged onto the console with the SERVER=-YES- option(and that is with 128 MB memory in the machine). In my case free memory goes to 15 MB when logged on, and to almost zero when I do something (like launch omniweb, or any other app for that matter) It would be instructive to see whether in your case the crashes also correlate with low free memory conditions. good luck ------ Dr. Jao van de Lagemaat Basic Sciences Center National Renewable Energy Laboratory 1617 Cole Boulevard Golden, Colorado 80401-3393 USA Phone: (303) 384-6143 Fax: (303) 384-6150 E-mail: jao_vandelagemaat@nrel.gov WWW: http://jvandel2.nrel.gov > ---------- > From: Michael J Wise > Reply To: mjwise@kapu.net > Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 1999 3:54 AM > To: macosx-admin@omnigroup.com > Subject: Re: Fix for Apache root process dying - alas - fouling-up > > On Tue, 11 May 1999, Michael J Wise wrote: > > > I tried a variant of that fix several weeks ago by disabling the QTSS, > and > > it did not work. The server still crashed. But I have modified the file, > > and will try it again tomorrow and report back. > > It still doesn't work. I'm running with only 64MB of RAM, but still, no > exceptional paging activity when the process dies. > > Aloha mai Nai`a! > -- > "Please have your Internet License http://kapu.net/~mjwise/ > and Usenet Registration handy..." > From penrose at sfc.keio.ac.jp Wed May 12 09:50:44 1999 From: penrose at sfc.keio.ac.jp (Christopher Penrose) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:09 2005 Subject: MACOSX-ADMIN digest 335 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: We'll have our own DNS on a subnet soon, but I don't think that you're interested in DNS from Japan. Christopher From mark at nextnet.com Wed May 12 10:02:50 1999 From: mark at nextnet.com (Mark) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:09 2005 Subject: off list References: <199905100043.KAA07302@atlas.bit.net.au> Message-ID: <3739B436.2F58E655@nextnet.com> How do I get off this list? From me at TenServer.jhuapl.edu Wed May 12 10:05:25 1999 From: me at TenServer.jhuapl.edu (Chris Stone) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:09 2005 Subject: netinfo Message-ID: <199905121705.NAA01283@TenServer.jhuapl.edu> I have several questions about netinfo which I could answer for myself if I had a book. I checked with Amazon last year but they were unable to find any reprints of the one book I found listed. Can anyone point me in the direction of any published netinfo documentation? Chris Stone Johns Hopkins University Applied Physics Laboratory From jperry at wizvax.net Wed May 12 10:17:18 1999 From: jperry at wizvax.net (j perry) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:09 2005 Subject: perl script (was RE: RE: Fix for Apache root process dying - alas Message-ID: Jao van de Lagemaat writes: >here it comes (unfortunately I do not know who wrote it, this has been >published before on this forum): That was posted by John Ray; here's the original post complete with disclaimers: # # # # # For those who are interested, here's the perl keeping things happy on my machine. No comments on its crappiness, please - I'd rewrite it to properly use perl signals for everything, but it works... so there... :) #!/usr/bin/perl use POSIX qw(:errno_h); open PID,"/Local/Library/WebServer/Logs/apache.pid"; $apache=; close (PID); chomp($apache); if (!(kill 0 => $apache)) { open RESTARTLOG,">> /var/log/fixapache.log"; $date=`date`; print RESTARTLOG "Apache restarted at $date"; close (RESTARTLOG); &killprocess("apache"); system("/usr/sbin/apachectl stop"); unlink ("/Local/Library/WebServer/Logs/apache.pid"); system("/usr/sbin/apachectl start"); } sub killprocess { my ($diediedie)=@_; my(@ps,$x); @ps=`ps ax`; chop(@ps); for ($x=0;$x<@ps;$x++) { if ($ps[$x]=~/^\s*([0-9]+).*[\s\/]$diediedie/) { `kill -9 $1`; } } } I just put in a crontab entry to run this every minute, and all seems to be well. -------- John Ray System Dev/Eng, OSUE, http://jray.ag.ohio-state.edu # # # # # From sfroment at globetrotter.net Wed May 12 10:36:25 1999 From: sfroment at globetrotter.net (Serge Froment) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:09 2005 Subject: Problem with MacOS X Server and IBM DCAS-34330 HD Message-ID: <199905121736.NAA12121@vesuve.globetrotter.net> I have a Beige PowerMac G3/266/Zip/CD in which I added an internal IBM DCAS-34330 4-gig SCSI drive. I also have an external Apple 2-gig drive that contains Rhapsody DR2. When I boot with Rhapsody DR2, there is a long delay during boot just before the thermometer appears in the startup dialog. If I disconnect the IBM internal drive and enable the terminator on the Zip drive as originally set, the long delay during startup disappears. Now I want to install Mac OS X Server 5-Client on the IBM drive. However, after the first reboot of the installer, the boot process gets stuck with the startup dialog saying "Starting Mac OS X Server" and no thermometer. It looks like Rhapsody DR2 and Mac OS X Server both have a problem with the IBM DCAS-34330 drive. Since I want to keep the data on my internal ATA drive and my DR2 drive, disconnecting the IBM drive is not an option. Here is the current jumper setting of the IBM drive. I tried to switch ENABLE AUTO SPIN to off to no avail. I don't know what UNIT ATTN and TI SYNC NEGO mean, so I am wary switching them. 01 Off Spare 02 On ID BIT 2 03 On ID BIT 1 04 Off ID BIT 0 05 On ENABLE AUTO SPIN 06 On SCSI TERM ON 07 Off DISABLE UNIT ATTN 08 On TI SYNC NEGO 09 Off AUTO START DELAY 10 Off DELAY START 6/12 11 Off DISABLE PARITY 12 No LED OUT I have no problem booting Mac OS 8.5 on the same IBM drive. Does anybody have a suggestion? Serge From gillette at tahc.state.tx.us Wed May 12 14:25:10 1999 From: gillette at tahc.state.tx.us (Keith A. Gillette) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:09 2005 Subject: NetInfo account password problems Message-ID: I have setup a beige PowerMacintosh G3/333 with Mac OS X Server 1.0 and successfully created a parent NetInfo domain for the machine and enabled Apple File Services. The accounts I create in this parent domain allow me to connect to the AppleShare file services but do not allow me to change the passwords via the Chooser, only via telnet, while accounts in the local domain can have their passwords changed via the Chooser. However, this is unacceptable, as I need to share the accounts across several machines. 1. Can I get the account passwords changed via the Chooser? 2. Can I get the account passwords changed via poppassd? 3. Can I set an expiration period for account passwords? 4. Can I enforce password rules (no common words, letters & numbers)? Thanks for any information, Keith ______________________________________________________________________ Keith A. Gillette From clandolt at datacomm.ch Wed May 12 14:49:43 1999 From: clandolt at datacomm.ch (Ch. Landolt) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:09 2005 Subject: running an app as root? Message-ID: <199905122150.XAA29159@smtp.datacomm.ch> hi, i am quite new to macosxs, so my question is probably very easy to answer, but i could not find a solution myself..... how can i run a macosxs application (such as textedit) as root when i am logged in as a normal user without starting a terminal, doing the "su" thing and start the application from there. or is it possible to just "change" the user when saving a file, as it happened to me that i edited a (for me as normal user) read-only file and then could not save it. the behavior i am looking for is similar to the one in the preferences application where certain settings can be changed only as root, but every user can change them as long as he can idetify himself as root. any help would be appreciated. cheers, chris From rsims at au304a.mckenna.edu Wed May 12 14:38:24 1999 From: rsims at au304a.mckenna.edu (Rayford Sims) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:09 2005 Subject: Problem with MacOS X Server and IBM DCAS-34330 HD In-Reply-To: <199905121736.NAA12121@vesuve.globetrotter.net> Message-ID: You said that you have a zip drive. From my experiences things act funny unless the zip drive is at the end of the SCSI chain. I seem to remember something about a termination error or something like that. I don't know off hand, but when we were having trouble with our scanner not being recognized we simply put the zip at the end of the chain and the problem disappeared. Hope that helps some. Regards, R.S. ============================================================================= Rayford Sims rsims@cmcvax.mckenna.edu From tjones at northstar.k12.ak.us Wed May 12 16:01:21 1999 From: tjones at northstar.k12.ak.us (Timothy Jones) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:09 2005 Subject: running an app as root? References: <199905122150.XAA29159@smtp.datacomm.ch> Message-ID: <373A082A.E1714171@northstar.k12.ak.us> "Ch. Landolt" wrote: > > hi, > i am quite new to macosxs, so my question is probably very easy to answer, > but i could not find a solution myself..... > how can i run a macosxs application (such as textedit) as root when i am > logged in as a normal user without starting a terminal, doing the "su" thing > and start the application from there. > or is it possible to just "change" the user when saving a file, as it > happened to me that i edited a (for me as normal user) read-only file and > then could not save it. the behavior i am looking for is similar to the one > in the preferences application where certain settings can be changed only as > root, but every user can change them as long as he can idetify himself as > root Use AppLauncher, its in the services menu. You'll have the option to launch the app as root. tim -- ______________________________________________________________________ Timothy Jones | tjones@northstar.k12.ak.us Network Technician | Phone: (907) 452-2000 x380 Fairbanks Northstar Borough | Fairbanks, AK School District | From markn at seinesys.com Wed May 12 16:01:58 1999 From: markn at seinesys.com (Mark Nichols) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:09 2005 Subject: OpenUp Message-ID: <005d01be9ccb$70b0ed50$388290cc@markst8000.seinesys.com> Any one know about an old NeXT tool called OpenUp. It was a compression tool that would handle just about any archive/compressed format under the sun. I was just wandering if it has been ported to MacOS X yet? Mark -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /mailman/archive/macosx-admin/attachments/19990512/df465b23/attachment.html From bradyt at choiceconnect.com.au Wed May 12 20:04:21 1999 From: bradyt at choiceconnect.com.au (Terry Brady) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:09 2005 Subject: Java problem administering AFS Message-ID: <199905130304.NAA10300@atlas.bit.net.au> Has anyone else encountered this problem? My preferred browser is IE4.5 but even under Mac OS 8.6 with MRJ 2.1.2 I can't administer Apple File Services on my MOSXS server. I get the following error: An exception occurred: ClassNotFoundException for LoginDES Java Exception: java.lang.NullPointerException - Stack Trace: java.lang.NullPointerException at com.apple.mrj.internal.awt.VFramePeer.deactivate(VFramePeer.java) at com.apple.mrj.internal.awt.VFramePeer.dispose(VFramePeer.java) at java.awt.Component.removeNotify(Component.java) at java.awt.Container.removeNotify I would like to know if others are successfully using 8.6/MRJ2.1.2/IE4.5 combination for this task. Thanks, Terry. From herren at flannet.middlebury.edu Thu May 13 02:32:19 1999 From: herren at flannet.middlebury.edu (David Herren) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:09 2005 Subject: OpenUp References: <005d01be9ccb$70b0ed50$388290cc@markst8000.seinesys.com> Message-ID: >Any one know about an old NeXT tool called OpenUp. It was a compression tool >that would handle just about any archive/compressed format under the sun. I >was just wandering if it has been ported to MacOS X yet? http://www.stepwise.com/Software/OpenUp/index.html Scott's app is still there, better than ever, sponsored by P&L Systems. -- David D. Herren www.cet.middlebury.edu/herren Assoc. Dir. for Tech. & Instruction herren@flannet.middlebury.edu Center for Educational Technology voice: (802)443-5746 5 Court Street, Middlebury, VT 05753 fax: (802)443-2053 From commlink at primenet.com Thu May 13 00:57:07 1999 From: commlink at primenet.com (Drew Janssen) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:09 2005 Subject: Problem with MacOS X Server and IBM DCAS-34330 HD In-Reply-To: <199905121736.NAA12121@vesuve.globetrotter.net> References: <199905121736.NAA12121@vesuve.globetrotter.net> Message-ID: Hello, Serge, In an email of 5/12/99 10:47 -0700, Serge Froment mentioned: >01 Off Spare >02 On ID BIT 2 >03 On ID BIT 1 >04 Off ID BIT 0 >05 On ENABLE AUTO SPIN >06 On SCSI TERM ON >07 Off DISABLE UNIT ATTN >08 On TI SYNC NEGO >09 Off AUTO START DELAY >10 Off DELAY START 6/12 >11 Off DISABLE PARITY >12 No LED OUT > >I have no problem booting Mac OS 8.5 on the same IBM drive. > >Does anybody have a suggestion? Pull off pin number 03. That will mean the drive is pinned to #2, but from the diagrams I was able to get on the IBM site -- gotta admit that site is Real Good -- you have it pinned to 5. That's very likely the same ID as the Zip drive (they are either 5 or 6). I might be off by one ID (as to what you have now). The diagram is not my favorite, and I could be wrong and it might be pinned to #3. If that is the case -- you will know when it still doesn't work -- change the pins so only 03 is pinned and NOT 02. Theoretically, that should pin it to #2. Stay in touch and let me know if that helped or not. Don't hesitate to visit the IBM site where you will doubtless find the PDF file for that drive or its general class. And then go see my comic strip! [URL in sig] It relieves stress. All the best, //Drew '`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'` Drew Janssen, Wearer of Many Hats.... commlink@primenet.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Hat #1: Website Designer, & Mac-based Web Host running the OS X Server http://www.hostdifferent.net - "Small, private, & rocket-fast" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- hat #2: Cartoonist: appearing at http://www.nowonder.com/comic [daily] and http://www.fivestones.com [occasional] - write for sample. '`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`' From cpk at enternet.com.au Thu May 13 04:06:04 1999 From: cpk at enternet.com.au (Christiaan Knol) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:09 2005 Subject: Ethernet(BMac) giving problems (fixed) Message-ID: Hi all, thanks for the suggestions, but I have seemed to have solved the problem (with much appreciated help from Drew Janssen). As soon as I turn my printer on (Epson Stylus Photo connected to the printer port) the error messages stop. Even if I turn it on after booting up - as soon as the printer lights up, the system returns to normal!! Go figure... At least I can use it now till I figure out WHY! Thanks again, Christiaan From cpk at enternet.com.au Thu May 13 04:08:22 1999 From: cpk at enternet.com.au (Christiaan Knol) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:09 2005 Subject: Ethernet(BMac) giving problems (fixed) Message-ID: Hi all, thanks for the suggestions, but I have seemed to have solved the problem (with much appreciated help from Drew Janssen). As soon as I turn my printer on (Epson Stylus Photo connected to the printer port) the error messages stop. Even if I turn it on after booting up - as soon as the printer lights up, the system returns to normal!! Go figure... At least I can use it now till I figure out WHY! Thanks again, Christiaan PS sorry if this is the second post - the connection dropped as it was sending - not sure if it made it... From danas at mit.edu Thu May 13 05:44:48 1999 From: danas at mit.edu (Dana Spiegel) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:09 2005 Subject: B&W G3 w/ GeeThree Serial port and powerchute Message-ID: I've been told by GeeThree.com that there have been rumors that "software like PowerChute" works with the serial port driver and the serial card under OS X Server. Is there any truth to these rumors? Dana Spiegel Massachusetts Institute of Technology danas@mit.edu 617/225-6404 From xserver at dlt.cz Thu May 13 06:10:18 1999 From: xserver at dlt.cz (BobCX) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:09 2005 Subject: Tools Message-ID: <199905131209.OAA21634@linux.dlt.in> Hi, I have following problem - no documentation. I'm trying to learn on the fly but sometimes irritates me very trivial tasks. I wonder how to tell system, that application xy is able to open files (f.e. text)? HTML can be opened by HelpViewer, OmniBase, TextEdit etc. Robert From jperry at wizvax.net Thu May 13 08:41:33 1999 From: jperry at wizvax.net (j perry) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:09 2005 Subject: Problem with MacOS X Server and IBM DCAS-34330 HD Message-ID: Serge Froment writes: >... >Here is the current jumper setting of the IBM drive. I tried to switch >ENABLE AUTO SPIN to off to no avail. I don't know what UNIT ATTN and TI SYNC >NEGO mean, so I am wary switching them. > >01 Off Spare >02 On ID BIT 2 >03 On ID BIT 1 >04 Off ID BIT 0 >05 On ENABLE AUTO SPIN >06 On SCSI TERM ON >07 Off DISABLE UNIT ATTN >08 On TI SYNC NEGO >09 Off AUTO START DELAY >10 Off DELAY START 6/12 >11 Off DISABLE PARITY >12 No LED OUT I'm no expert but here's what my FWBToolkit docs say (your item #s in parens): - - - - - When connecting a drive that had not been used with a Mac, make SURE the following settings are correct, if available: Parity = Off (11) Synchronous Negotiation = Off ( 8) Wait Spin = Off (10) Unit Attention = Disabled ( 7) Spindle Sync. = Disabled (na) Terminator Power is supplied by the drive to the SCSI bus. - - - - - So in your case I think that means you should reset 11, 8, and 7 opposite to their current settings as you've shown them above. The last item (terminator power) is a separate jumper item off of the main block in an IBM drive that I have. Do check out IBM's web site where they detail many technical specs concerning each drive model/series. hope this helps, Jeff From xserver at dlt.cz Thu May 13 01:01:15 1999 From: xserver at dlt.cz (Robert Cerny) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:09 2005 Subject: No subject Message-ID: <199905131615.SAA22724@linux.dlt.in> macosx-admin@omnigroup.com macosx-admin@omnigroup.com Subject: configure problem Message-ID: <9905131001.AA159291@xserver> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 Status: RO X-Status: hi, I'm newbie to gcc (I usually use CodeWarrior on Mac) and got problem I = can't solve. The error I get is: /configure: 5: Bad file descriptor I have tried te repeat it with more softwares but the result is same. configure just doesn't work Robert From tom at basil.icce.rug.nl Wed May 12 16:22:49 1999 From: tom at basil.icce.rug.nl (Tom Hageman) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:09 2005 Subject: running an app as root? In-Reply-To: <199905122150.XAA29159@smtp.datacomm.ch> References: <199905122150.XAA29159@smtp.datacomm.ch> Message-ID: <199905122322.AA26607@basil.icce.rug.nl> On Wed, 12 May 1999 14:51:46 -0700 (PDT), Ch. Landolt wrote: > i am quite new to macosxs, so my question is probably very easy to > answer, but i could not find a solution myself..... > how can i run a macosxs application (such as textedit) as root when i am > logged in as a normal user without starting a terminal, doing the "su" > thing and start the application from there. - select the file/app you want to open in File Viewer. - Services > AppOpener > Open as Root (keep your root password handy) > or is it possible to just "change" the user when saving a file, as it > happened to me that i edited a (for me as normal user) read-only file > and then could not save it. Not that I know of. > the behavior i am looking for is similar to > the one in the preferences application where certain settings can be > changed only as root, but every user can change them as long as he can > idetify himself as root. > > any help would be appreciated. Hope this helps, Tom. -- __/__/__/__/ Tom Hageman [NeXTmail/Mime OK] __/ __/_/ Proteon Software (work) __/__/__/ __/ _/_/ "Stupid, stupid rat creatures!" From jabi at ap.buffalo.edu Thu May 13 12:45:33 1999 From: jabi at ap.buffalo.edu (Wassim Jabi) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:09 2005 Subject: Humor: Cocoa Secrets Revealed Message-ID: <000301be9d79$2b1da7c0$f2e9cd80@hermes> You probably have all heard by now that Apple changed the name of the Yellow Box to Cocoa I found the official Cocoa description from Apple's own web site at: http://www.apple.com/education/LTReview/spring98/cocoa.html Cocoa is a simulation authoring toolkit designed for children ages 10 and up that allows children to build their own simulations and games, and to publish their creations in a web page (obvious reference to WebObjects). With Cocoa, kids can create objects, animate them, and make them interact. The objects can be made to do different things depending on what other objects are around them, as well as depending on user-defined properties of those objects (e.g., weight, energy level, speed level). By defining these properties for the objects and writing rules for the objects' behavior, kids can create interesting simulations complete with key-controlled interaction and sound effects. --- Sounds like an accurate description to me, now back to your desks children :-) Wassim Jabi E-Mail: wj@writeme.com or jabi@ap.buffalo.edu From fan at chem.ucla.edu Thu May 13 13:42:16 1999 From: fan at chem.ucla.edu (Paul S. Fan) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:09 2005 Subject: NFS and carbonized & legacy apps Message-ID: <199905132042.NAA20935@krypton.chem.ucla.edu> Hi - Does anyone know whether carbonized and legacy MacOS applications will be able to be launched from an NFS partition in MacOS X? Best, Paul From lux at umich.edu Thu May 13 13:55:49 1999 From: lux at umich.edu (Joshua Marker) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:09 2005 Subject: Humor: Cocoa Secrets Revealed In-Reply-To: <000301be9d79$2b1da7c0$f2e9cd80@hermes> Message-ID: On Thu, 13 May 1999, Wassim Jabi wrote: > You probably have all heard by now that Apple changed the name of the > Yellow Box to Cocoa > I found the official Cocoa description from Apple's own web site at: > http://www.apple.com/education/LTReview/spring98/cocoa.html Cocoa is now StageCast - up for a major release RSN. Neat stuff for multimedia authoring. --- Joshua (lux) * Kalamazoo: 616 / 337.7479 Sorting out my life. . . .in O(n lg n). You play, you win. You play, you lose. You play. -- Winterson --- From abridge at dcn.davis.ca.us Thu May 13 16:53:59 1999 From: abridge at dcn.davis.ca.us (Adam Bridge) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:09 2005 Subject: Recovering "lost" UFS partitions Message-ID: <199905132354.QAA10544@wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us> In the process of installation I have two drive partitions which I had intended to make into UFS partitions but which now are neither. How do I recover these? They can't be reached by DriveSetup. Must I backup and then reformat the entire drive? Surely there must be another way. Adam Bridge From chongt at bah.com Thu May 13 17:08:20 1999 From: chongt at bah.com (Chong Tim) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:09 2005 Subject: MACOSX-ADMIN digest 336 References: <199905131456.HAA11393@ignem.omnigroup.com> Message-ID: <373B6974.5C2D7397@bah.com> > X-Topic-No: 3 > Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 13:05:25 -0400 > From: Chris Stone > To: macosx-admin@omnigroup.com > Subject: netinfo > Message-ID: <199905121705.NAA01283@TenServer.jhuapl.edu> > > I have several questions about netinfo which I could answer for > myself if I had a book. I checked with Amazon last year but they were > unable to find any reprints of the one book I found listed. Can > anyone point me in the direction of any published netinfo > documentation? > > Chris Stone > Johns Hopkins University > Applied Physics Laboratory There's a book that I managed to get from the NeXT book references: http://shop.barnesandnoble.com/bookSearch/isbnInquiry.asp?isbn=0963702521 TC -- Tim S.H. Chong CSE/Singapore, CS&T-BA&H MIME | ASCII | NeXTmail OK! GSM +65-9672-2153 (My Time Zone: GMT+8) Cogita differenter! From sarwat at interlog.com Thu May 13 17:11:51 1999 From: sarwat at interlog.com (Sarwat Khan) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:09 2005 Subject: Recovering "lost" UFS partitions In-Reply-To: <199905132354.QAA10544@wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us> References: <199905132354.QAA10544@wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us> Message-ID: >In the process of installation I have two drive partitions which I >had intended >to make into UFS partitions but which now are neither. How do I >recover these? >They can't be reached by DriveSetup. Must I backup and then >reformat the entire >drive? Surely there must be another way. I've been meaning to add this to the mailing list since I had my troubles. I tried to destroy my UFS partition back to HFS+, and it's not easy. Here's what I did: 1. Get pdisk for the Mac. 2. Make your screwed up partitions into HFS partitions. a) Be careful. b) will give you instructions. c) I remember the instructions not being up to date with my pdisk, so d) be careful. Just take some time to make sure you fully understand what you're doing. It's fairly simple really. All pdisk does is write data to the hard drive's partition table. It doesn't do any formatting. I found that MOSXS made several paritions. Unite them into one, or however you want them. Just don't touch any partitions that are fine. 3. Use Disk First Aid's Erase Disk option. It's in one of the menus. It will let you format a partition so that the installer (and the rest of the Mac) will be able to use it. Actually, you may want to try this step first. ............................................................ Sarwat Khan Mississauga, Ontario sarwat@interlog.com http://www.interlog.com/~sarwat PGP and text/enriched mail welcome. From inphlux at lotek.org Thu May 13 17:20:08 1999 From: inphlux at lotek.org (ix) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:09 2005 Subject: Recovering "lost" UFS partitions Message-ID: <199905132337.TAA20620@project.lotek.org> > In the process of installation I have two drive partitions which I had > intended to make into UFS partitions but which now are neither. How do I > recover these? They can't be reached by DriveSetup. Must I backup and > then reformat the entire drive? Surely there must be another way. You can use pdisk, either running it directly in unix/bsd or via the Mac OS port, which is available here: ftp://ftp.mklinux.apple.com//pub/DR3/MacOS_Utilities/pdisk.hqx Also keep in mind (correct me if this has changed) in osxs you can only have 1 Apple_UNIX_SVR2 partition per drive; however, you can create multiple ufs disks within that single partition. From fan at chem.ucla.edu Thu May 13 17:47:21 1999 From: fan at chem.ucla.edu (Paul S. Fan) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:09 2005 Subject: netinfo Message-ID: <199905140047.RAA21785@krypton.chem.ucla.edu> > From: Chris Stone > To: macosx-admin@omnigroup.com > Subject: netinfo > Message-ID: <199905121705.NAA01283@TenServer.jhuapl.edu> > > I have several questions about netinfo which I could answer for > myself if I had a book. I checked with Amazon last year but they were > unable to find any reprints of the one book I found listed. Can > anyone point me in the direction of any published netinfo > documentation? Xedoc used to support Netinfo for various flavors of unix but they are no longer doing this. They had a 160 page user manual (pdf format). I have a copy of this, but I am not sure whether I am allowed to distribute this. You can look up Xedoc at www.xedoc.com Best, Paul From rcfa at cubiculum.com Thu May 13 18:53:35 1999 From: rcfa at cubiculum.com (Ronald C.F. Antony) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:09 2005 Subject: netinfo In-Reply-To: <199905140047.RAA21785@krypton.chem.ucla.edu> References: <199905140047.RAA21785@krypton.chem.ucla.edu> Message-ID: <199905140153.VAA21708@kannix.cubiculum.com> > > I have several questions about netinfo which I could answer for > > myself if I had a book. I checked with Amazon last year but they were > > unable to find any reprints of the one book I found listed. Can > > anyone point me in the direction of any published netinfo > > documentation? > > Xedoc used to support Netinfo for various flavors of unix > but they are no longer doing this. They had a 160 page user > manual (pdf format). I have a copy of this, but I am not > sure whether I am allowed to distribute this. Well, they had it up for free download. I got a copy this way. Unfortunately, I'm not sure if I deleted the file after printing it... > You can look up Xedoc at www.xedoc.com Yup, you also may want to ask Luke Howard who used to work for both xedoc and apple, and who probably has the best chance of getting xedoc to donate the manual to the Darwin project. It would need a little modification, but is generally an excellent documentation of the idea behind NetInfo. The old NeXT sysadmin manuals are somewhat helpful, but only if you followed the evolution of these systems and are capable of instinctively making the proper substitutions. Otherwise, they can be more confusing than helpful. Ronald ============================================================================== "The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man." G.B. Shaw | rcfa@cubiculum.com | NeXT-mail welcome From michaelmonner at home.com Thu May 13 19:47:16 1999 From: michaelmonner at home.com (Michael Monner) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:09 2005 Subject: mail help Message-ID: <19990514024703.KXKP15605.mail.rdc1.on.home.com@ToneServer> Well, I'm doing fairly well in my conversion from MacOS to OSXS. Got the installations done, a few apps, and I've been doing my web-surfing using OmniWeb the last few days. Mailviewer seems to be working in and out for mail, but I'm wondering if theres a way I can direct my incoming mail from a particular list into its own mailbox??? Thanking you in advance for any help. From ryan at omnigroup.com Thu May 13 22:16:22 1999 From: ryan at omnigroup.com (Ryan Dingman) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:09 2005 Subject: mail help Message-ID: <199905140516.WAA25944@tapeworm.omnigroup.com> > Well, I'm doing fairly well in my conversion from MacOS to OSXS. Got > the installations done, a few apps, and I've been doing my > web-surfing using OmniWeb the last few days. > > Mailviewer seems to be working in and out for mail, but I'm > wondering if theres a way I can direct my incoming mail from a > particular list into its own mailbox??? Procmail does this. It is available at http://www.procmail.org/. Basically you set up a list of rules in your .procmailrc that define where certain pieces of mail should go. It would be nice if we had a MailViewer bundle to do this. I think I heard that someone was working on this, but I can't remember who. Hope this helps. ryan -- Ryan Dingman Omni Development, Inc. ryan@omnigroup.com From tjlists at bigfoot.com Thu May 13 23:16:17 1999 From: tjlists at bigfoot.com (Timothy J Luoma) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:09 2005 Subject: mail help In-Reply-To: <19990514024703.KXKP15605.mail.rdc1.on.home.com@ToneServer> References: <19990514024703.KXKP15605.mail.rdc1.on.home.com@ToneServer> Message-ID: <199905140616.CAA01373@ocalhost> Replying to message of Thu, 13 May 1999 19:49:08 -0700 (PDT) from Michael Monner regarding ``mail help'' > Mailviewer seems to be working in and out for mail, but I'm > wondering if theres a way I can direct my incoming mail from a > particular list into its own mailbox??? Right now the only way I could see that happening would be if there was a procmail port to MacOSX Server, and I can't seem to locate one. TjL ps -- I would think that something like this would be something Apple would realize should be in the MailViewer for MacOSX without asking regular users to resort to procmail, which is powerful but daunting when one first starts. From rcfa at cubiculum.com Fri May 14 00:50:19 1999 From: rcfa at cubiculum.com (Ronald C.F. Antony) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:09 2005 Subject: mail help In-Reply-To: <199905140616.CAA01373@ocalhost> References: <199905140616.CAA01373@ocalhost> Message-ID: <199905140750.DAA22834@kannix.cubiculum.com> > ps -- I would think that something like this would be something Apple would > realize should be in the MailViewer for MacOSX without asking regular users > to resort to procmail, which is powerful but daunting when one first starts. Personally, I'd prefer if Apple were to realize the power of procmail, and would use procmail as the default local mail delivery agent, and then would write a GUI program that can maintain procmail configuration files. With each mailbox, you could associate a procmail script, and then they are included into a master script automatically. But as so often: the day has only 24h, and 8 of them at least, we should spend sleeping. Apple can't just do everything at once. A good start would be to use procmail as a default mail delivery agent, however, since it can be used w/o fancy scripts as a plug-in replacement for mail. Ronald ============================================================================== "The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man." G.B. Shaw | rcfa@cubiculum.com | NeXT-mail welcome From sfroment at globetrotter.net Fri May 14 06:19:17 1999 From: sfroment at globetrotter.net (Serge Froment) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:09 2005 Subject: Problem with MacOS X Server and IBM DCAS-34330 HD Message-ID: <199905141319.JAA29680@vesuve.globetrotter.net> >De: jperry@wizvax.net (j perry) >A: Multiple recipients of list >Objet: Re: Problem with MacOS X Server and IBM DCAS-34330 HD >Date: Jeu 13 mai 1999 12:32 > >When connecting a drive that had not been used with a Mac, make SURE the >following settings are correct, if available: > >Parity = Off (11) >Synchronous Negotiation = Off ( 8) >Wait Spin = Off (10) >Unit Attention = Disabled ( 7) >Spindle Sync. = Disabled (na) Right on! I did what you said and I am now up and running with Mac OS X Server. Many thanks! I wish I did ask my question to this list first... >De: "Ch. Landolt" >A : sfroment@globetrotter.net >Objet: Re: Problem with MacOS X Server and IBM DCAS-34330 HD >Date: Mer 12 mai 1999 17:34 > >i had a similar problem, it worked for me when i disconnected ALL external >scsi drives..... >hope this helps, >chris I have to power off my Yamaha external CD-RW drive in order to boot. Rhapsody DR2 did tolerate it, but when I switched back to MacOS, the Toast CD Reader extension did no longer recognize the drive unless I did cycle the power on it. Many thanks to all others who replied! Serge From mjwise at kapu.net Fri May 14 10:24:49 1999 From: mjwise at kapu.net (Michael J Wise) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:09 2005 Subject: mail help In-Reply-To: <199905140616.CAA01373@ocalhost> Message-ID: On Thu, 13 May 1999, Timothy J Luoma wrote: > Right now the only way I could see that happening would be if there was a > procmail port to MacOSX Server, and I can't seem to locate one. ProcMail rox. I think it compiles out of the box, or with maybe one slight change, like setting LDFLAGS= (ie, remove the -s, IIRC). Give it a shot, and if you have problems, send me an email. Current version is 3.13.1, from the previousely-mentioned: http://www.procmail.org/ Aloha mai Nai`a! -- "Please have your Internet License http://kapu.net/~mjwise/ and Usenet Registration handy..." From mjwise at kapu.net Fri May 14 10:41:55 1999 From: mjwise at kapu.net (Michael J Wise) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:09 2005 Subject: mail help In-Reply-To: <199905140750.DAA22834@kannix.cubiculum.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 14 May 1999, Ronald C.F. Antony wrote: > Personally, I'd prefer if Apple were to realize the power of procmail... And Qpopper. Don't forget Qpopper. And INN, and maybe a more up2date version of Pine/Pico (currently running 4.10, thanks to Tim Chong). > and would use procmail as the default local mail delivery agent, and > then would write a GUI program that can maintain procmail configuration > files. This shouldn't be that hard. Just ask for a header to match, with the following default choices (which will expand to %X%) as options: Return-Path: <-- "My personal Favorite..." Originator: From: To: <-- will map to TO, for subtle reasons... Received: <-- "The Ever-popular..." And then ask what text you're looking for (we'll call it %Y% for now), and the name of a mailbox (%Z%, of course), and then find a nice, clear space in the .procmailrc file in the user's home directory, and put an expansion of this: :0 * ^%X%.*%Y% %Z% Two of my favorites would be as follows: Originator: macosx-admin IN.macos-admin From: francetelecom /dev/null >8-) Oh yes, and be able to read the recipes, and present them to a user as a list, which can then be re-ordered as desired. In hindsight, this would be important under certain circumstances. > A good start would be to use procmail as a default mail delivery agent, > however, since it can be used w/o fancy scripts as a plug-in replacement > for mail. And those who understand will look at it and say, "Oh Yes!", and begin to magnify the power therein.... Aloha mai Nai`a! -- "Please have your Internet License http://kapu.net/~mjwise/ and Usenet Registration handy..." From mjwise at kapu.net Fri May 14 11:32:14 1999 From: mjwise at kapu.net (Michael J Wise) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:09 2005 Subject: Killing MailViewer.app... Message-ID: Just "chmod 700"'d (as root, BTW) the /System/Applications/MailViewer.app, any negative effects from this? Reason being I was viewing a page in OmniWeb, and clicked on a mailto: link accidentally, and MailViewer decided to move all my mail out of /var/mail, where I was reading it at the time, and necessitated a bit of a panic, and I want to make SURE that this never happens again. BTW, why the permissions of the mail file? WORLD-READABLE? So, whem I moved the mbox file back to /var/mail, I had to "chmod 600" (as me) it back to something a bit more reasonable. Seem to have succeeded, and quite frankly, MailViewer is *NOT* one of my most favorite apps, regardless of it's appearance front and center in the Sonata demo on Monday. Aloha mai Nai`a (Netscape 4.5 and PICO, in that order, if anyone wants to know)... -- "Please have your Internet License http://kapu.net/~mjwise/ and Usenet Registration handy..." From nancy at bluecomet.com Fri May 14 15:48:46 1999 From: nancy at bluecomet.com (Nancy Craighill) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:09 2005 Subject: Does Iomega Zip Work w/ Mac OS X? Message-ID: <373CA84D.D111EBAE@bluecomet.com> Has anyone successfully used an Iomega Zip SCSI drive with a G3 running Mac OS X Server? Or atleast get the Mac OS X Server side to boot with it hooked up, so that the Mac OS 8.5 side can make use of it (it comes with drivers for Mac OS 6.0 and above). Thanks for your help! - Nancy From malvarez at codetel.net.do Fri May 14 17:11:31 1999 From: malvarez at codetel.net.do (Manuel Alvarez) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:09 2005 Subject: Does Iomega Zip Work w/ Mac OS X? Message-ID: <199905150012.UAA13648@mail1.codetel.net.do> On 5/14/99 6:59 PM, Nancy Craighill wrote: > >Has anyone successfully used an Iomega Zip SCSI drive with a G3 running >Mac OS X Server? Or atleast get the Mac OS X Server side to boot with it >hooked up, so that the Mac OS 8.5 side can make use of it (it comes with >drivers for Mac OS 6.0 and above). Thanks for your help! > >- Nancy Haven't tried a SCSI Zip, but the ATA ZIP built into my G3 works fine. Manuel From ash at sineware.com Fri May 14 19:03:29 1999 From: ash at sineware.com (Mishra, Ashish) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:09 2005 Subject: Dual booting with Open Firmware on B&W G3s Message-ID: <199905150102.VAA31153@engmail.uwaterloo.ca> For those of you who want to dual-boot into Mac OS or OS X Server on the new B&W G3s, without pressing the 'option' key, nor waiting for Mac OS to half boot up... here's a solution. I figured out how to write boot scripts in OF, then discovered they weren't saved in the NVRAM - meaning I lost the scripts on every reboot/restart. Doh! But there is a workaround! and here it is... My setup is a B&W G3 (400, 6 GB Ultra-dma drive) with OpenFirmware 3.1.1 I partitioned the internal drive into Mac OS (partition 5) and a OS X Server (partition 6). Using Open firmware (option-command O-F), you can specify which drive to boot of off. For example, to boot Mac OS (partition 5 on ata drive 1), type: 0 > boot /pci@80000000/pci-bridge@d/pci-ata@1/ata-4@0/@0:5,\\:tbxi And for OS X (partition 6 on ata drive 1), type: 0 > boot /pci@80000000/pci-bridge@d/pci-ata@1/ata-4@0/@0:6,\\:tbxi This works, but it is pretty hard to remember, (isn't it? :) There is a better solution. Use the defined aliases: Type devalias for the list of your devices. You should be able to identify the device your hard drive is connected to. My drive is stock, connected directly to ide1. the alias 'hd' reads: /pci/@d/pci-ata@1/ata-4@0/disk@0 this is the same as /pci@80000000/pci-bridge@d/pci-ata@1/ata-4@0 (how do you know? type 0 > dev hd pwd) Anyway, you can boot using the devalias 'hd': for example, to boot Mac OS (partition 5), type at the OF prompt: 0 > boot hd:5,\\:tbxi and for OS X Server (partition 6), type: 0 > boot hd:6,\\:tbxi Much simpler! The nice thing is you can set either Mac OS or OS X Server as the default using the System Disk application (under Mac OS), and then just type 'bye' to go into the default partition. (You can identify your default partition by typing 'printenv' and looking at the 'boot-device' variable). The only problem is that no matter what, the screen resolution is lost when going into either Mac OS native or OS X natively. If anyone knows how to keep these settings, please do pass it on :) regards, Ash > Hopefully someone can help / point me in the right direction here... > > I'm trying to set up two custom Forth words in OpenFirmware 3.1.1: > > mac: to boot Mac OS > ten: to boot OS X Server > > I know how to create the words, but not what the contents should be. > > Any examples would be appreciated. > > thanks in advance! > Ash ~~ Ashish Mishra, Sine of the Times, http://www.sineware.com ~~ mac2400, http://www.sineware.com/mac2400 The person who says it cannot be done should not interrupt the person doing it. - Chinese proberb From ash at sineware.com Fri May 14 19:22:21 1999 From: ash at sineware.com (Mishra, Ashish) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:09 2005 Subject: setting screen resolution programmatically Message-ID: <199905150305.XAA40229@engmail.uwaterloo.ca> Does anyone know how to set the screen resolution automatically at startup, or even to set it, and then restart the display services? I hate coming up in 640x480 on a large display, after going into native Mac OS... thanks, Ash ~~ Ashish Mishra, Sine of the Times, http://www.sineware.com ~~ mac2400, http://www.sineware.com/mac2400 The person who says it cannot be done should not interrupt the person doing it. - Chinese proberb From chongt at dragon.apj.bah.com Sat May 15 08:39:12 1999 From: chongt at dragon.apj.bah.com (Tim Chong) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:09 2005 Subject: How to make an Installer in MacOS X? In-Reply-To: <199905151459.HAA19288@ignem.omnigroup.com> Message-ID: Hi there, Can someone teach me or is there a quick tutorial somewhere on how to make a .pkg type of installer under MacOS X (the one that istall via Installer.app)? I have never gotten to learning it on OpenStep..=( Rgds, TC -- Tim S.H. Chong CSE/Singapore, CS&T-BAH MIME | ASCII | NeXTmail OK! GSM +65 9672 2153 (My Time Zone GMT+8) From zampino at squidco.com Sat May 15 10:41:39 1999 From: zampino at squidco.com (philz) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:09 2005 Subject: Sound on a G3? Message-ID: Is anyone having problems getting sound under osX server on a G3 with a personality card (rca sound in and out in addition to minijacks)? I have tried both the rca and the minijacks and neither gives me any sound, except the built-in startup chime. I've never had any problem with 8.5/6 and sound on this machine, but osX refuses to make a peep. I've checked the sound control panel and the mute is off and the volumes are up, I have one of the system sounds selected, but nothing. philz From cvoelker at real-net.de Sat May 15 10:50:13 1999 From: cvoelker at real-net.de (Christian Voelker) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:09 2005 Subject: OF version number: Please have a look! Message-ID: Hello, Im trying to install MacOS X on a Umax Pulsar since nearly two weeks. Ive got a lot of help from people of this list until now and I want to thank you all, but - I didnt get it run until now. Now I suspect whether Ive got a different Open Firmware version than in the machines similar to mine and this might cause the trouble. So Im interested to know the OF version of the 7x00, 8x00 and 9x00 generation as well as of first generation (platinum) G3s. This is what you could do for me: Start your machine to the OF boot prompt, type some command, write down the values you get and mail them to me. Thats all, it wont harm your machine and it helps me a lot. Boot to the OF boot prompt: This might be done in two different ways: Press cmd-alt-O-F when starting. If the screen stays black just hit cmd-ctrl-Startkey to restart (I couldnt test whether it works, but it should do). Second way is to use System disk or what you usually use to configure your PRAM and just check the "stop boot at open Firmware prompt"-box in the advanced setting. Save (id est write to PRAM) and restart. The machine should tell the OF version in the first line. In my case it is 1.0.5, the blue and white should have v 3.1.3. This is the first value I would like to know. Then, type devalias (devices alias names). You will get about five or ten lines with keys and values looking like paths with slashes and so on. They indicate chips and cards installed in your machine. There should be two lines named scsi and scsi-int looking like: scsi-int /bandit/gc/mesh/sd Write them down. Now you can type to boot into your default system again. Send my an email with the three values. Thank you. Christian From home at apple.com.ua Sat May 15 12:54:08 1999 From: home at apple.com.ua (=?iso-8859-1?B?0O7s4O0gwe7/8Pfz6g==?=) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:09 2005 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?B?zvLi5fI6IERvZXMgSW9tZWdhIFppcCBXb3JrIHcvIE1hYyBPUyBYPw==?= Message-ID: <01be9f0c$b2181820$c182b2c3@roman> >On 5/14/99 6:59 PM, Nancy Craighill wrote: > >> >>Has anyone successfully used an Iomega Zip SCSI drive with a G3 running >>Mac OS X Server? Or atleast get the Mac OS X Server side to boot with it >>hooked up, so that the Mac OS 8.5 side can make use of it (it comes with >>drivers for Mac OS 6.0 and above). Thanks for your help! >> >>- Nancy > > >Haven't tried a SCSI Zip, but the ATA ZIP built into my G3 works fine. > Yes! I have the same problem with Iomega ZIP on ATAPI! MacOS X won't boot with it plugged parallel to CD-ROM drive. When I unplug it - MacOS X boots fine. From terry at george.longrie.com Sat May 15 13:42:53 1999 From: terry at george.longrie.com (Terill Longrie) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:09 2005 Subject: Does Iomega Zip Work w/ Mac OS X? Message-ID: <199905152042.PAA07861@george.longrie.com> The internal SCSI zip that came with my beige G3 works just fine under MacOS X Server. No special setup was needed. It "just works" in MacOS X Server, the Blue Box, and when I boot into just MacOS (previously 8.5.1, now 8.6). Terry > >On 5/14/99 6:59 PM, Nancy Craighill wrote: > > > >> > >>Has anyone successfully used an Iomega Zip SCSI drive with a G3 running > >>Mac OS X Server? Or atleast get the Mac OS X Server side to boot with it > >>hooked up, so that the Mac OS 8.5 side can make use of it (it comes with > >>drivers for Mac OS 6.0 and above). Thanks for your help! > >> > >>- Nancy > > From ceccop at tin.it Sat May 15 14:11:21 1999 From: ceccop at tin.it (francesco pierfederici) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:09 2005 Subject: xfree86 Message-ID: Hi, has anybody ported XFree86 to MacOSX Server? ciao f ----------------- francesco pierfederici (sotto servizio civile) From amaral at dynbis050.dynamic.cst.cmich.edu Sat May 15 14:15:11 1999 From: amaral at dynbis050.dynamic.cst.cmich.edu (J. Pedro Sousa do Amaral) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:09 2005 Subject: Apache root process dying (not because of blue box) Message-ID: <1285333979-16233529@dynbis050.dynamic.cst.cmich.edu> >> I have a serious problem with the webserver in MacOSX Server. It seems >> that periodically, under even light traffic apache's root process just >> dies. I also had this happened to me this week for the first time. Until this week I had my MOSXS just display a web page relaying to my Linux box. However, I started to serve a full set of web pages with MOSXS, and apache died as described before. After the first death I tried John Ray's script, but apache died again today. I killed all the spun off apaches and used a "nice -10 apachetcl start" as suggested by Jao van de Langemaat. Apache is currently working with no problems, but is too soon to tell whether it fixed the problem. Reading the messages on this thread, it seems that what causes this is something related to logging, and if the latest fix won't work then I will try to disable logging. I have a G3 with 160 MB of RAM; I serve files from a UFS volume. The apache deaths will occurs either with or without Blue Box running. Are there other people who have not seen this problem on their machines? What are their machines' features? Are there hardware patterns that one can associate with this error? Has Apple said anything about this? It is pretty serious if _all_ machines running MOSXS to serve web pages were to how this problem! ZP -- Jos? Pedro S. do Amaral To the future or to the past, to a time when thought is free, when men are different from one another and do not live alone--to a time when truth exists and what is done cannot be undone... -G. Orwell From eric at EMIEng.com Sat May 15 18:49:30 1999 From: eric at EMIEng.com (Eric Marshall) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:09 2005 Subject: Does Iomega Zip Work w/ Mac OS X? Message-ID: <199905160149.VAA17171@bobo.shirenet.com> > Haven't tried a SCSI Zip, but the ATA ZIP built into my G3 works fine. The SCSI ZIP built into my G3 works fine too. From michaelmonner at home.com Sat May 15 20:12:02 1999 From: michaelmonner at home.com (Michael Monner) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:09 2005 Subject: MacOS person requires simple network help Message-ID: <19990516031138.SYNO1295.mail.rdc1.on.home.com@ToneServer> I have a b&w G3 with hd partitioned so I can dual boot from OSX or MacOS8, and I run MacOS8 in the blue box from the MacOS8 partition. There are 2 ethernet ports, 1 connected to internet via cable (fixed ip address), the other connecting to a small MacOS network (an imac and an old 040 mac) as well a printer through a 10/100baseT hub. File sharing etc is done through Appletalk (other than provide an ip address to OSX for the internal network, i havn't yet assigned ip addresses to the other components). I am accessing the internet using OmniWeb and MailViewer. I gather from a prior thread that I will need a second ip address to access the net via the blue box, but I'd really like to go further and get access via the imac. Is there a way I can set up my network(s) to achieve this??? Thanks in advance, Michael From mark at lacas.com Sun May 16 02:49:01 1999 From: mark at lacas.com (Mark Lacas) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:09 2005 Subject: OSX server on iMac In-Reply-To: <199905140750.DAA22834@kannix.cubiculum.com> Message-ID: I have noticed a few of you have OSX server running on an iMac. How did you get past the dialog that says it can't be installed on an iMac. I would really like to get started with the system and I have a 333mHz fruity iMac just waiting to feel the power. Please indicate what I have to do to get around the installation gestapo. Thanks, ml From malcolm at saracen.plsys.co.uk Sun May 16 04:40:03 1999 From: malcolm at saracen.plsys.co.uk (mmalcolm crawford) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:09 2005 Subject: OSX server on iMac Message-ID: <199905161140.MAA00592@saracen.plsys.co.uk> > I have noticed a few of you have OSX server running on an iMac. > > How did you get past the dialog that says it can't be installed on > an iMac. > From: http://www.stepwise.com/MacOSXServer/HardwareSupport/index.html "If you are attempting to install on an unsupported machine, you will see an alert panel during the process that tells you that this is an unsupported machine. "There is now an additional menu item (*) available in the menu bar and you should select that and try again. Then, you will then be able to continue the install." (*) Allow installation on unsupported systems, or somesuch. mmalc. From malcolm at saracen.plsys.co.uk Sun May 16 10:48:57 1999 From: malcolm at saracen.plsys.co.uk (mmalcolm crawford) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:09 2005 Subject: recovering "lost" partition? Message-ID: <199905161749.SAA00770@saracen.plsys.co.uk> OK, so assume someone tried to install the preview of a certain OS (call it "X") on an officially unsupported computer, say a PowerBook (previously configured with two partitions; one for MacOS 8.5, the other for MacOS X Server). Suppose the installation didn't complete, and the computer failed to reboot afterwards... Why should it be the case that MacOS subsequently fails entirely to see the 3MB or so in the "X" partition? What tools are there to get that partition reinitialised so that at least MacOS X Server could be installed on it? I've tried all the disk utilities I could find, but to no avail -- none of them acknowledges the existence of the "lost" diskspace/partition. mmalc. From malcolm at saracen.plsys.co.uk Sun May 16 11:11:31 1999 From: malcolm at saracen.plsys.co.uk (mmalcolm crawford) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:09 2005 Subject: recovering "lost" partition? Message-ID: <199905161811.TAA00798@saracen.plsys.co.uk> I wrote: > What tools are there to get that partition reinitialised so that at least > MacOS X Server could be installed on it? > Sorry, I just started going through the backlog of the 800-or so messages I hadn't got round to reading since I got back and found the answer posted earlier in the week. Best wishes, mmalc. From michaelmonner at home.com Sun May 16 13:43:42 1999 From: michaelmonner at home.com (Michael Monner) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:09 2005 Subject: MacOS person requires simple network help Message-ID: <19990516204315.WYJ1295.mail.rdc1.on.home.com@ToneServer> > From: Bill Chin > > > I have a b&w G3 with hd partitioned so I can dual boot from OSX or > > MacOS8, and I run MacOS8 in the blue box from the MacOS8 partition. > > There are 2 ethernet ports, 1 connected to internet via cable (fixed > > ip address), the other connecting to a small MacOS network (an imac > > and an old 040 mac) as well a printer through a 10/100baseT hub. File > > sharing etc is done through Appletalk (other than provide an ip > > address to OSX for the internal network, i havn't yet assigned ip > > addresses to the other components). > > > > I am accessing the internet using OmniWeb and MailViewer. I gather > > from a prior thread that I will need a second ip address to access > > the net via the blue box, but I'd really like to go further and get > > access via the imac. Is there a way I can set up my network(s) to > > achieve this??? > > Yes. > > Since MOXS doesn't do IP/NAT yet, it won't be seamless. However, you > can run any number of proxy servers to duplicate the experience. In > some cases, it will actually give you more control. Give the > "internal" network IP addresses out of the 10.0.0.0 block of > addresses. These are set aside specifically for this purpose. > > To proxy http, https, ftp, gopher, etc., run squid. A binary > installer package is available and you can find the entry on Stepwise > (http://www.stepwise.com/). Alternatively, you can also configure > Apache to be a proxy server. So if one of my intents was to have WebObjects/Apache access to an internal database to be maintained over the local network as well as remotely over the web, would this make "Apache as proxy server" my logical direction? Thanks for the help, Michael From sanguish at digifix.com Sun May 16 15:07:00 1999 From: sanguish at digifix.com (Scott Anguish) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:09 2005 Subject: OpenUp In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <199905162207.SAA08425@digifix.com> David Herren wrote: > >Any one know about an old NeXT tool called OpenUp. It was a compression > >tool that would handle just about any archive/compressed format under the > >sun. I was just wandering if it has been ported to MacOS X yet? > Just a small clarification... You're probably thinking of Opener (the old NeXT based tool). OpenUp was (and still is in an eary form) available on OpenStep, but is primarily a Mac OS X Server product at this time. > > http://www.stepwise.com/Software/OpenUp/index.html > > Scott's app is still there, better than ever, sponsored by P&L Systems. And update is scheduled for the next couple of weeks, as well as a port to Mac OS X (port == recompile most likely..) From sanguish at digifix.com Sun May 16 15:09:25 1999 From: sanguish at digifix.com (Scott Anguish) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:09 2005 Subject: How to make an Installer in MacOS X? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <199905162209.SAA08448@digifix.com> Tim Chong wrote: > Hi there, > > Can someone teach me or is there a quick tutorial somewhere on how to make > a .pkg type of installer under MacOS X (the one that istall via > Installer.app)? > > I have never gotten to learning it on OpenStep..=( > There is some instructions on the MacOS X Server release notes about how to do this. However, there are MANY, MANY gotchas with Installer on Mac OS X Server due to the move to _pax_. I do not recommend you attempt this if you absolutely don't have to. From eric at EMIEng.com Sun May 16 16:48:13 1999 From: eric at EMIEng.com (Eric Marshall) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:09 2005 Subject: Terminal services failing Message-ID: <199905162348.TAA08504@bobo.shirenet.com> I've noticed that Terminal will not invoke a service when given some moderate amount of data to be read as standard input. As an example, I can't use Terminal's "Number" service to number more than about 100 lines of a MACOSX-ADMIN Digest. I experimented with this enough to find out that Terminal doesn't actually invoke the service's command, cat in this example, so it's not like cat is failing, but Terminal failing to invoke cat. I don't recall Terminal having capacity limits in either NS or OS. From td at twics.com Sun May 16 19:42:40 1999 From: td at twics.com (Troy Dawson) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:09 2005 Subject: It's Dead, Jim Message-ID: 7500 with CR1, after getting cute and wanting to see the boot/bye OF prompt, found that apparently(?) the 7500 doesn't have display drivers in OF. After Parameter RAM reset, boots MacOS now, and System Disk can see the OSX partition, but during the boot various combinations of option-keying no longer bring up the OSX boot selector, nor does the machine boot into OSX directly anymore. ? =td= From mark at lacas.com Sun May 16 21:39:45 1999 From: mark at lacas.com (Mark Lacas) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:09 2005 Subject: Help, MacOSX can't find an HFS+ volume Message-ID: Somehow while trying to get a volume shared through appletalk, I messed it up so that the AFS server can't start up. It complains in the log that there are no shared HFS+ volumes. I've tried everything including using the assistant to reset everything. Any ideas? Thanks, ml From rcfa at cubiculum.com Sun May 16 21:41:33 1999 From: rcfa at cubiculum.com (Ronald C.F. Antony) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:09 2005 Subject: [OT] NeXT memory question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <199905170441.AAA06137@kannix.cubiculum.com> Does anyone know what max. amount of RAM is that a NeXTstation Turbo can take? I know that with 32MB 72-pin SIMMs, I can get 128MB. I was just wondering if the larger size 72-pin SIMMs would work, or if there's something about the system that limits the max. amount to 128MB. Also, does anyone know what the min. amount of HD space is for a minimal NeXTSTEP 3.3 or OPENSTEP 4.2 install? (no man pages, user apps, etc. needed except Terminal, Edit and the Admin tools. For the most part the system will not even have the window server enabled). Thanks, Ronald ============================================================================== "The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man." G.B. Shaw | rcfa@cubiculum.com | NeXT-mail welcome From gbh at middlemarch.net Sun May 16 22:43:27 1999 From: gbh at middlemarch.net (gbh@middlemarch.net) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:09 2005 Subject: Formatting partitions Message-ID: I'd like to rewrite a partition table without having to initialize the entire disk. I have MacOS 8.6 on one partition and an ext2 file system on another partition on the internal IDE drive. I'd like to change the ext2 file system to HFS+ so that I can install MOSX-S, however MacOS 8.6 doesn't recognize it. If I boot from the CD and use the Drive Setup utility, it would initialize the whole disk. Is this my only choice? Are there any utilities that would let me rewrite this partition without also reinitializing my Mac partition? Greg From cvoelker at real-net.de Mon May 17 00:40:04 1999 From: cvoelker at real-net.de (Christian Voelker) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:09 2005 Subject: OF version number: Please have a look! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Sorry Troy, I thought, this would be clear; I wrote: >Boot to the OF boot prompt: This might be done in two different ways: Press cmd-alt-O-F when starting. **If the screen stays black just hit cmd-ctrl-Startkey to restart** In fact, the machine halts in OF boot prompt, but if it cant get the default output device (id est the screen) it is directed to the first serial (modem) port. You could just use a terminal window on another machine to see it. I didnt want you to do such, so I thought it is better to restart then. This should have been sufficient. Zapping PRAM should not have been needed. Restarting doesnt harm anything at that point because the disks were not yet opened. I apologize for making so much trouble to you. Thank you anyway. Christian Dipl.-ing. Christian V?lker Burgunderstra?e 30 36039 Fulda-Bernhards Fon +49-661-962 64 60 Fax +49-661-962 64 69 From rcfa at cubiculum.com Mon May 17 01:19:01 1999 From: rcfa at cubiculum.com (Ronald C.F. Antony) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:09 2005 Subject: NetInfo: One host, multiple IP addresses In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <199905170819.EAA07071@kannix.cubiculum.com> If a system has multiple IP addresses, be it due to multiple physical interfaces, IP aliases or pseudo network interfaces, such as tunnelling mechanisms, is it then safe to put these as additional entries into a single machine record into NetInfo? Or should one make multiple records, that share the same name (if that's even possible)? Or should one create a different name for each IP address, and then use the DNS CNAME facility to link these to one host? Ronald ============================================================================== "The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man." G.B. Shaw | rcfa@cubiculum.com | NeXT-mail welcome From dev at humph.com Mon May 17 04:01:40 1999 From: dev at humph.com (Giuliano Gavazzi (dev)) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:09 2005 Subject: NetInfo: One host, multiple IP addresses In-Reply-To: <199905170819.EAA07071@kannix.cubiculum.com> Message-ID: At 9:22 am +0100 1999/05/17, Ronald C.F. Antony wrote: >If a system has multiple IP addresses, be it due to multiple physical >interfaces, IP aliases or pseudo network interfaces, such as tunnelling >mechanisms, is it then safe to put these as additional entries into >a single machine record into NetInfo? >Or should one make multiple records, that share the same name (if that's >even possible)? Or should one create a different name for each IP address, >and then use the DNS CNAME facility to link these to one host? > I would not say that a CNAME can help you here if I understand what you want to do. A CNAME only allows to make a name to be equivalent to another. What you can have is multiple A records, that is different IP addresses for the same name as you suggested yourself (I am talking of DNS here). What you would do in Netinfo I do not know. But, out of curiosity, what are you trying to do? Have you got all that many addresses to spare? Giuliano H U M P H || ||| software development of: Java & C++ Client/Human Interface applications. Native Server applications on MacOS - MacOS X - (Mk)Linux http://www.humph.com/ From ajetha at tacticalstep.com Mon May 17 06:47:42 1999 From: ajetha at tacticalstep.com (A Jetha) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:09 2005 Subject: OS 10 Server -- leaking?? Message-ID: <77271BC11091.AAA1E2F@bismuth.tor.sfl.net> Folks, After returning from WWDC, I checked a few things a found the following when doing a ps-auxw. USER PID %CPU %MEM VSIZE RSIZE TT STAT TIME COMMAND root 0 0.0 57.0 515M 128M ? R N 190hr (kernel idle) While I am running a lot of processes, those all seem to be within norm. (All except the windowserver and mailviewer are under 10 Mb VSIZE) This is a G3 266 with 224MB of RAM. I have *not* applied the 1.01 patch. 515 Mb seems rather huge for a machine that was sitting idle for a week. Has anyone noticed similar behavior? -- Alykhan Jetha (AJ) TacticalStep Inc., WWW: http://www.tacticalstep.com Email: ajetha@tacticalstep.com Phone: 905.831.2643 ext 1 Fax: 905.837.2546 From dev at humph.com Mon May 17 07:31:59 1999 From: dev at humph.com (Giuliano Gavazzi (dev)) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:09 2005 Subject: OS 10 Server -- leaking?? In-Reply-To: <77271BC11091.AAA1E2F@bismuth.tor.sfl.net> Message-ID: At 3:00 pm +0100 1999/05/17, A Jetha wrote: >Folks, > >After returning from WWDC, I checked a few things a found the following >when doing a ps-auxw. > >USER PID %CPU %MEM VSIZE RSIZE TT STAT TIME COMMAND >root 0 0.0 57.0 515M 128M ? R N 190hr (kernel idle) > > > ... that might as well be a Mach bug in reporting the memory usage. I noticed that in DR2 and MkLinux. Once I had 1 GB allocated to a java vm instance. Giuliano H U M P H || ||| software development of: Java & C++ Client/Human Interface applications. Native Server applications on MacOS - MacOS X - (Mk)Linux http://www.humph.com/ From jhill at netlab.gmu.edu Mon May 17 08:06:01 1999 From: jhill at netlab.gmu.edu (Jason C. Hill) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:09 2005 Subject: Weird terminal features. Message-ID: <199905171506.LAA01157@netlab.gmu.edu> I'm having a problem with terminal.app when telneting into other UNIX machines. The problem is with backspace and delete keys. I have only tested this with Solaris machines running multiple versions of Solaris and even straight SunOS. >From my host machine telnet into Solaris box. Whenever I hit backspace or detlete the entire line is deleted, not the previous character. I have poured over the man pages for stty and all the other tty pages, I have made abundantly sure that my erase is set to ^H, etc. I have narrowed this down to terminal.app b/c when telneting into my machine then telneting to another known host that I've telneted to and experienced these problems from do not generate the same problem, meaning my backspace works as it's supposed to. Anyone have known fix? Most terminal or "telnet" apps have a place where you can set backspace and delete key options, where when you have the other one selected than from the one you should have selected you experience this problem, but upon switching the two it works the way you want. There is no such buttons in terminal.app to push. From jon at colossus.cs.wits.ac.za Mon May 17 08:10:50 1999 From: jon at colossus.cs.wits.ac.za (John Ostrowick) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:09 2005 Subject: quick question re filebrowser In-Reply-To: <199905171502.IAA26409@ignem.omnigroup.com> Message-ID: hi all sorry to add to the noise. is there a better filesystem browser available? i saw something mentioned but came in on the butt of the conversation so i didn't see any details. i realise this is a touchy issue but i find the regular nextstep browser irritating for two reasons (a) it insists on column view rather than icon view, and, (b) it very seldom does a MOVE when i want it. it usually does a copy. when i was beta'ing rhapsody i mentioned this as a bug but it was too hard to replicate. eg: i moved omniweb from /Local/Applications/Internet to /System/Applications because i'm a tidiness fanatic, and it insisted on doing a copy. so i used the CLI "mv" command instead. also: how does one specify the application bindings of documents? i have a number of quicktime files but only those with suffixes of .mov or .MOV are correctly iconified. those without suffixes, or with suffixes of .Mov, are not correctly recognised as quicktime movies. any takers? thanks in advance! ____________________________________________________________ John Ostrowick +27 (11) 716-3783 Computer Science Department, University of the Witwatersrand Web site, ftp site and listserv all available at: http://macenroe.cs.wits.ac.za/ From jhill at netlab.gmu.edu Mon May 17 08:12:23 1999 From: jhill at netlab.gmu.edu (Jason C. Hill) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:09 2005 Subject: Decent Word Processor? Message-ID: <199905171512.LAA03455@netlab.gmu.edu> Does anyone know of a decent word processor out there for OS X? I wanted to do some simple things like right justification, and bullets, but I noticed that text.app (whatever it is) was lacking in several departments. And I didn't feel like doing it in vi. Basically I'm trying to get away from using Blue Box so much and just trying to find program replacements for what it is I normally use. Thanks, -Jason C. Hill From jon at colossus.cs.wits.ac.za Mon May 17 08:13:42 1999 From: jon at colossus.cs.wits.ac.za (John Ostrowick) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:09 2005 Subject: printmanager problem Message-ID: hi all another problem. no matter how many times i click "save" in the printmanager, it does not save a newly created/ set-up printer. and i can still get it to display an openstep dialog! (- when printing to an unsaved printer with the test button, it says:"dictionary for printer xxx not found in netinfo") ____________________________________________________________ John Ostrowick +27 (11) 716-3783 Computer Science Department, University of the Witwatersrand Web site, ftp site and listserv all available at: http://macenroe.cs.wits.ac.za/ From chongt at bah.com Mon May 17 08:14:28 1999 From: chongt at bah.com (Chong Tim) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:09 2005 Subject: MACOSX-ADMIN digest 340 References: <199905171502.IAA26508@ignem.omnigroup.com> Message-ID: <37403253.383DE65B@bah.com> > X-Topic-No: 5 > Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 18:09:25 -0400 > From: Scott Anguish > To: chongt@dragon.apj.bah.com oops... the machine is behind the corp firewall, I dun think it (the email address will ever work outside of the BAH domain)... sorry, I thought I have a REPLY-TO header. > Subject: Re: How to make an Installer in MacOS X? > Message-ID: <199905162209.SAA08448@digifix.com> > > [snip] > There is some instructions on the MacOS X Server release notes about > how to do this. which path? /System/Documentation/...?? > > However, there are MANY, MANY gotchas with Installer on Mac OS X > Server due to the move to _pax_. I guess that's why Installer for lotsa old apps are failing due to pax error > I do not recommend you attempt this if you absolutely don't have to. Well, it will be easier for end user... well, I guess a good shell script will have to do for now...=) Thanks for the info, TC -- Tim S.H. Chong CSE/Singapore, CS&T-BA&H MIME | ASCII | NeXTmail OK! GSM +65-9672-2153 (My Time Zone: GMT+8) Cogita differenter! From raptor at pswtech.com Mon May 17 08:38:24 1999 From: raptor at pswtech.com (Scott Mullen) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:09 2005 Subject: [OT] NeXT memory question In-Reply-To: <199905170441.AAA06137@kannix.cubiculum.com> Message-ID: 12mb, I think you can get the install as amall as a 250mb hard drive if you do a lot of trimming. ^M ^M Scott Mullen PSW Technologies, Inc. Information and Systems 6300 Bridgepoint Parkway mailto:scott_m@pswtech.com Building 3, Suite 200 phone: (512) 342-3406 Austin TX 78730 fax: (512) 345-4976 http://www.pswtech.com --"The only reason for time is so that everything doesn't happen at once." -- B. Banzai On Sun, 16 May 1999, Ronald C.F. Antony wrote: > Does anyone know what max. amount of RAM is that a NeXTstation Turbo > can take? I know that with 32MB 72-pin SIMMs, I can get 128MB. > I was just wondering if the larger size 72-pin SIMMs would work, > or if there's something about the system that limits the max. amount > to 128MB. > > Also, does anyone know what the min. amount of HD space is for a > minimal NeXTSTEP 3.3 or OPENSTEP 4.2 install? (no man pages, user > apps, etc. needed except Terminal, Edit and the Admin tools. For the > most part the system will not even have the window server enabled). > > Thanks, > > Ronald > ============================================================================== > "The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists > in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the > unreasonable man." G.B. Shaw | rcfa@cubiculum.com | NeXT-mail welcome > > From malcolm at saracen.plsys.co.uk Sun May 16 09:10:59 1999 From: malcolm at saracen.plsys.co.uk (mmalcolm crawford) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:09 2005 Subject: quick question re filebrowser Message-ID: <199905161611.RAA00679@saracen.plsys.co.uk> > is there a better filesystem browser available? > No. > i find the regular nextstep browser irritating for two reasons > (a) it insists on column view rather than icon view, > Not so; you can easily switch to icon view with Command-7, by selecting the icon popup in the toolbar, or "View as icons" in the menu. > and, (b) it very seldom does a MOVE when i want it. it usually does > a copy. when i was beta'ing rhapsody i mentioned this as a bug but it was > too hard to replicate. eg: i moved omniweb from > /Local/Applications/Internet to /System/Applications because i'm a > tidiness fanatic, > Umm, why? /System/Apllications is specifically intended to be for Apple system applications -- the name's a hint. User apps should go in /Local/Applications, or /Network/Applications. > and it insisted on doing a copy. so i used the CLI "mv" > command instead. > It's not a bug, it's a feature: it does a copy when it makes sense to do so on a multi-user system with various filesystems (e.g. if you try to mv to a directory you don't own, or across filesystems). If you really want to mv the selection, simply hold down the Command key whilst you drag, and it'll be moved. Conversely, if you want to cp when Workspace is indicating that it'll mv (note the different cursors), hold down the Alt key. > also: how does one specify the application bindings of documents? i have a > number of quicktime files but only those with suffixes of .mov or .MOV are > correctly iconified. those without suffixes, or with suffixes of .Mov, are > not correctly recognised as quicktime movies. > You'll have to edit the plist entry in QuickTimePlayer.app; Open the .app folder and look in its Resources folder. You should see Info-nextstep.plist file; open it (you'll probably need root access) and edit the following line: NSExtensions = {MOV = {NSIcon = MOV.tiff; }; mov = {NSIcon = MOV.tiff; }; }; to something like: NSExtensions = {MOV = {NSIcon = MOV.tiff; }; mov = {NSIcon = MOV.tiff; }; Mov = {NSIcon = MOV.tiff; }; MOV = {NSIcon = MOV.tiff; }; }; mmalc From fan at chem.ucla.edu Mon May 17 11:21:49 1999 From: fan at chem.ucla.edu (Paul S. Fan) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:09 2005 Subject: Decent Word Processor? Message-ID: <199905171821.LAA01094@krypton.chem.ucla.edu> Hi - > do some simple things like right justification, and bullets .. I find TextEdit to be quite good at simple text processing. Right justification is a menu item and bullets are part of the symbol font family or do "alt-8". You can even make decent simple presentaion slides and equations. I prefer TextEdit over Word and Power Point. To make life easier you can use Symbol.app or install Mike Ferris' TextExtras to enhance text handling for all applications. Best, Paul From mjwise at kapu.net Mon May 17 12:19:04 1999 From: mjwise at kapu.net (Michael J Wise) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:09 2005 Subject: Weird terminal features. In-Reply-To: <199905171506.LAA01157@netlab.gmu.edu> Message-ID: On Mon, 17 May 1999, Jason C. Hill wrote: > I'm having a problem with terminal.app when telneting into other UNIX > machines. And have you tried cutting and pasting multiple lines between windows yet? Especially in PICO, but the behaviour also manifests itself in vi, 'cause I just checked. Most annoying. Is the source for Terminal.app available as a "Sample Application" anywhere? Can it be upgraded to include SSH support? Or do we start from scratch? Aloha mai Nai`a (Only MOSTLY happy with MacOS XS) ! -- "Please have your Internet License http://kapu.net/~mjwise/ and Usenet Registration handy..." From mvgfr at netcom.com Mon May 17 12:41:35 1999 From: mvgfr at netcom.com (Marc Farnum Rendino) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:09 2005 Subject: limit number of files for QT4 streaming? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 10:55 AM -0700 on 99/05/07, David Herren wrote: >A colleague here seems to believe there is a 250 file limit to the >number of files that a QTstreaming server can serve. He says that >there cannot be more than 250 movies on the server (and that's why >they should spend $30,000 on another solution). >I have seen nor heard of any such limitation. Can anyone verify or >dispute this? The lack of such an artificial limit can be displayed by checking the source - Darwin Streaming Server is apparently now available. And if there is one (not that I know of) you can just recompile it out. :) (You'll of course need adequate RAM and disk space for whatever you're streaming.) - Marc From jeff at rhyason.com Mon May 17 13:13:30 1999 From: jeff at rhyason.com (Jeff Rhyason) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:09 2005 Subject: limit number of files for QT4 streaming? In-Reply-To: ; from Marc Farnum Rendino on Mon, May 17, 1999 at 12:42:38PM -0700 References: Message-ID: <19990517141330.C40317@rhyason.com> On Mon, May 17, 1999 at 12:42:38PM -0700, Marc Farnum Rendino wrote: > The lack of such an artificial limit can be displayed by checking the > source - Darwin Streaming Server is apparently now available. I imagine this is a process limit. In BSD-like Unixes, there is a limit on the number of files a process can have open at one time. There is no limit to how many files you could potentially serve, though! The open-file limit is easily changed through the ulimit command -- though I do not know what sort of twist Mac OS X may have put on it. > And if there is one (not that I know of) you can just recompile it out. :) Yes indeedy! -Jeff From michaelmonner at home.com Mon May 17 14:03:24 1999 From: michaelmonner at home.com (Michael Monner) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:09 2005 Subject: Decent Word Processor? References: <199905171512.LAA03455@netlab.gmu.edu> Message-ID: <37408414.472E1D54@home.com> Light a fire under Greg Anderson. greg@afs.com www.afs.com Last we heard he was going to decide whether to port WriteUp and PasteUp to MacOSXS by May. I'm still waiting for them. Michael Jason C. Hill wrote: > > Does anyone know of a decent word processor out there for OS X? I > wanted to do some simple things like right justification, and bullets, > but I noticed that text.app (whatever it is) was lacking in several > departments. And I didn't feel like doing it in vi. > > Basically I'm trying to get away from using Blue Box so much and just > trying to find program replacements for what it is I normally use. > > Thanks, > > -Jason C. Hill From michaelmonner at home.com Mon May 17 14:04:09 1999 From: michaelmonner at home.com (Michael Monner) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:09 2005 Subject: Decent Word Processor? References: <199905171512.LAA03455@netlab.gmu.edu> Message-ID: <37408442.C0D58F2C@home.com> Light a fire under Greg Anderson. greg@afs.com www.afs.com Last we heard he was going to decide whether to port WriteUp and PasteUp to MacOSXS by May. I'm still waiting for them. Michael Jason C. Hill wrote: > > Does anyone know of a decent word processor out there for OS X? I > wanted to do some simple things like right justification, and bullets, > but I noticed that text.app (whatever it is) was lacking in several > departments. And I didn't feel like doing it in vi. > > Basically I'm trying to get away from using Blue Box so much and just > trying to find program replacements for what it is I normally use. > > Thanks, > > -Jason C. Hill From cvoelker at real-net.de Mon May 17 14:18:06 1999 From: cvoelker at real-net.de (Christian Voelker) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:09 2005 Subject: Getting MacOS X run on a S900: Am I right here? Message-ID: Hello, Im trying to get MacOS X run on my Umax Pulsar, called Supermac S900 in america. Ive got help from people from this list, but I havent met anyone who tried to do the same! Now, Im wondering whether there is a better place to look for companions. Do you really all have original equipment? I dont spent any more time on experiments, but Im still interested in running MacOS X. Im thinking about selling my machine now. Having bought a new machine last year I dont have the bucks right now. And if I could, I still would hesitate. For me, the new fine-looking G3s are still a downgrade in spite of velocity. Without Scuzzy I dont have data safety (tape drive) and no scanner. There is no good equipment around for the new macs. Has anyone heard about a FireWire Scanner? Isnt a USB-Scanner a huge downgrade from a good old Agfa? Without spending too much money I could only change for an iMac, falling back to consumers line. Any suggestions? I really want to dive in WebObjects (The dev. version doesnt run on a Intel box). Bye, Christian From JParedes at UH.EDU Mon May 17 14:27:16 1999 From: JParedes at UH.EDU (Jose L Paredes) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:09 2005 Subject: Decent Word Processor? In-Reply-To: <199905171512.LAA03455@netlab.gmu.edu> References: <199905171512.LAA03455@netlab.gmu.edu> Message-ID: At 8:46 AM -0700 5/17/99, Jason C. Hill wrote: >Does anyone know of a decent word processor out there for OS X? I >wanted to do some simple things like right justification, and bullets, >but I noticed that text.app (whatever it is) was lacking in several >departments. And I didn't feel like doing it in vi. > >Basically I'm trying to get away from using Blue Box so much and just >trying to find program replacements for what it is I normally use. > >Thanks, > > -Jason C. Hill Does WordPerfect have a "unix" version avalaible? Two atoms walk into a bar. The one says to the other, "I lost an electron today." The other says, "Are you sure?" The first atom says, "Yes. I'm positive." Jose Luis Paredes - Physicist by Choice Office: (713)743-1575 Remote Facility Supervisor Fax: (713)743-1569 Central Site Lab JParedes@UH.edu Information Technology Customer Services http://www.uh.edu/~jparedes U N I V E R S I T Y O F H O U S T O N From sanguish at digifix.com Mon May 17 14:47:51 1999 From: sanguish at digifix.com (Scott Anguish) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:10 2005 Subject: how many IDE drives can a BW support? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <199905172148.RAA15086@digifix.com> It would appear that it can only support three devices... The main drive, the CD and one other (the zip usually). Is this truely the case? Why?? From tjlists at bigfoot.com Mon May 17 15:33:47 1999 From: tjlists at bigfoot.com (Timothy J Luoma) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:10 2005 Subject: Decent Word Processor? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <199905172233.SAA22968@ocalhost> Replying to message of Mon, 17 May 1999 14:53:09 -0700 (PDT) from Jose L Paredes regarding ``Re: Decent Word Processor?'' > Does WordPerfect have a "unix" version avalaible? There's a Linux version which runs under FreeBSD emulation. It's free, with a commercial version which adds some features (clip art, fonts, etc) There's more info at http://linux.corel.com/ TjL From parker at wildmile.com Mon May 17 16:03:54 1999 From: parker at wildmile.com (Parker Beeson) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:10 2005 Subject: Apache web log analysis tool? Message-ID: <3740A058.9D84EF61@wildmile.com> Going from MacOS to BSD-unix based serving has been both fun and a challenge to learn, but I need a hand. Could someone recommend an Apache log analysis tool that will report on named based virtual host stats and is *easy* to learn (read: precompiled and ready to run/modify out of the box)? Thanks, I need to be able to generate a dynamically updated generic html page for my clients to visit so they can track their hits. PS - My X Server box is starting to really become mission critical.... anyone heard of a fix for the Apache root process death bug/glitch/anomoly?? I've had my Apache root process die 3 times in the last week....ack!! -- Parker Beeson Cyberia Enterprises http://www.cyberia.cc (888)838-7222 From drew at hostdifferent.net Mon May 17 16:06:59 1999 From: drew at hostdifferent.net (Drew Janssen) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:10 2005 Subject: ATA & IDE drives (was Re: how many IDE drives...?) In-Reply-To: <199905172148.RAA15086@digifix.com> References: <199905172148.RAA15086@digifix.com> Message-ID: Hello, Scott, et al., There are some excellent articles on-line at various places, most notably Apple themselves. I always hate when people tell me to go see this-or-that URL and don't actually give me any info, so I will requote one especially good article and then make a couple comments. WARNING: I am something of a SCSI "wonk," and can bore you to death if I'm not careful. KIDS AT HOME: Don't try this -- these technical emails are being written by stunt professionals on a closed track. <;-D In an email of 5/17/99 14:53 -0700, Scott Anguish mentioned: >It would appear that it (B&W G3) can only support three devices... > >The main drive, the CD and one other (the zip usually). > >Is this truely the case? > >Why?? FIRST: The article I just now looked up: ----- article from Apple TIL ------ URL: http://til.info.apple.com/techinfo.nsf/artnum/n30510 TITLE: ATA, IDE, EIDE and ATAPI Defined DISCUSSION IDE/ATA The original, base specification for the family of interfaces described in this section is called both IDE and ATA. The name IDE is the more popular of the two, even though it is misleading since it stands for integrated drive electronics which refers to putting the logic board with the hard disk much more than it has anything to do with the interface. The more correct name is ATA or AT Attachment, which defines the standard interface. The original IDE/ATA standard defines the following features and transfer modes: Two Hard Disks: The specification calls for a single channel, shared by two devices that are configured as master and slave. PIO Modes: ATA includes support for PIO modes 0, 1 and 2. DMA Modes: ATA includes support for single word DMA modes 0, 1 and 2, and multiword DMA mode 0. "Plain" ATA does not include support for enhancements such as ATAPI support for non-hard-disk IDE/ATA devices, block mode transfers, or logical block addressing. Note: The interface used in Macintosh systems does not support the signal channel supporting two devices, or what is commonly referred to as master and slave. This support was only recently made available on the newest Power Macintosh G3 systems. EIDE Enhanced IDE, also called EIDE, is the term that Western Digital uses to describe its advanced drives that incorporate the performance improvements defined in ATA-2, along with several other refined protocols. EIDE has become a widely-accepted term in the industry, which would be great if not for the fact that it is used to stand for so many things, some of them completely different. For this reason, the term has been criticized--not least by Western Digital's competitors--for being confusing and vague. Western Digital describes its Enhanced IDE program as including the following improvements over ATA: ATA-2: EIDE includes all of the improvements that are part of ATA-2, including higher-speed transfer modes. ATAPI: EIDE includes support for non-hard-disk devices on the IDE/ATA channel. Dual IDE/ATA Host Adapters: The EIDE standard includes support for dual IDE/ATA host adapters, allowing four IDE/ATA/ATAPI devices to be used. Note: The interface used in Macintosh systems does not support the signal channel supporting two devices, or what is commonly referred to as master and slave. This support was only recently made available on the newest Power Macintosh G3 systems. [Drew's note: Didn't we just see that, above? Hmmm... must be from the School of Redundancy School.] ATAPI AT Attachment Packet Interface (ATAPI is the description used to identify non-hard-disk devices used on the IDE/ATA channel. This includes CD-ROM, tape, Jazz, and ZIP type drives. You could say that ATAPI refers to ATA drives that support removable media. ----- end of that article ---- SECOND: Some comments by me: a. IDE doesn't support overlapped, multitasked I/O. b. IDE doesn't support I/O command queueing. c. IDE doesn't support bus mastering, thus data transfer must be done via slower PIO (processor I/O). d. Since IDE supports only PIO data transfer, scatter/gather memory access is not possible. Macintosh computers use (or can use) virtual memory addressing, a cause of memory fragmentation, and so the marriage of Macs and IDE/ATA drives is tenuous at best. NOTE: I have freely quoted/paraphrased from Peter Ridge's excellent (and *mpossible* to find) book, "The Book of SCSI" from No Starch Press -- a good writer with a great book. Scott, I hope that helps to explain the problem. //Drew From x3 at earthling.net Mon May 17 16:33:18 1999 From: x3 at earthling.net (Adam Wilson) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:10 2005 Subject: Squid? or something else?? Message-ID: <3740A73E.A98FCA56@earthling.net> Is there a build of Squid out there avaliable for MOSX yet?? or some other proxy server?? I've been trying to get Apache to work, but never having done it before I can't seem to figure it out.... any suggestions?? -Adam- From a2mishra at ece.uwaterloo.ca Sun May 16 12:41:12 1999 From: a2mishra at ece.uwaterloo.ca (Ashish Mishra) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:10 2005 Subject: OF version number: Please have a look! Message-ID: <199905180106.VAA28009@ece.uwaterloo.ca> > Had to Cmd-Alt-P-R (pressing the power-on key with my nose, WONDERFUL > SYSTEM APPLE!) > to get it booting normally. You don't need to press the CMD-Alt-P-R until after the first power on beep. (ie. press the power button first, then hold down those keys). Still, picturing someone using their Nose to press a key was the funniest thing I heard today! ~~ Ashish Mishra, Sine of the Times, http://www.sineware.com ~~ mac2400, http://www.sineware.com/mac2400 The person who says it cannot be done should not interrupt the person doing it. - Chinese proberb From tjlists at bigfoot.com Mon May 17 18:35:40 1999 From: tjlists at bigfoot.com (Timothy J Luoma) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:10 2005 Subject: Apache web log analysis tool? In-Reply-To: <3740A058.9D84EF61@wildmile.com> References: <3740A058.9D84EF61@wildmile.com> Message-ID: <199905180135.VAA02432@ocalhost> Replying to message of Mon, 17 May 1999 16:12:09 -0700 (PDT) from Parker Beeson regarding ``Apache web log analysis tool?'' > PS - My X Server box is starting to really become mission critical.... > anyone heard of a fix for the Apache root process death > bug/glitch/anomoly?? I've had my Apache root process die 3 times in the > last week....ack!! Run a cron job that checks & restarts apache every minute ? Ugly but better than 'Unable to connect to remote server' TjL From wchin at acm.org Mon May 17 18:58:01 1999 From: wchin at acm.org (Bill Chin) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:10 2005 Subject: ATA & IDE drives (was Re: how many IDE drives...?) Message-ID: <199905180101.VAA19968@mail.richmond.net> Drew Janssen wrote: > c. IDE doesn't support bus mastering, thus data transfer must be > done via slower PIO (processor I/O). This, in my belief, is incorrect. The ATA-1 specification included options for both single word and multiple word DMA modes, which can be implemented with bus mastering on the PCI bus. This has been supported on the Intel x86 world since the Intel Triton chipset (think 100Mhz Pentium era). On Macs, the support for multi-word DMA with busmastering ATA controllers might be a relatively new thing. >From the Darwin kernel source code: kernel-1/bsd/dev/ppc/drvATADisk/ATADiskInternal.m:209 if ( [_cntrlr isDmaSupported:unit] ) { IOLog("%s: using DMA transfers.\n", [self name]); _ideReadCommand = IDE_READ_DMA; _ideWriteCommand = IDE_WRITE_DMA; } >From my /var/log/system.log on my 400Mhz G3 Blue and Ice Power Macintosh with the stock 6gb ATA drive running MOXS 1.1: May 14 16:10:15 wildblue mach_kernel: hd0: QUANTUM FIREBALL EX6.4A A0A.0B00 May 14 16:10:15 wildblue mach_kernel: hd0: using DMA transfers. Also look in: kernel-1/bsd/dev/ppc/drvATADisk/ATADiskKernel.m A quick look through the source doesn't reveal to me any reason why it won't work. Then again, I'm not a device driver programmer... I'm also really not sure about this statement you made: > d. Since IDE supports only PIO data transfer, scatter/gather memory > access is not possible. Macintosh computers use (or can use) virtual > memory addressing, a cause of memory fragmentation, and so the > marriage of Macs and IDE/ATA drives is tenuous at best. Wouldn't the device drive inside of MacOS have to manage the gather itself and send using PIO? It might not be as fast, but the vagueness of this statement seems to imply that running ATA with virtual memory on in MacOS causes instability (of course, bugs in device drivers cause can wreak all sorts of havoc :-)). Do you have a technical reference for this? Definitely refer to Apple's ATA Software Guide and the G3 Developer note below for Apple's words on this. These days, on a machine running predominantly one I/O task at a time on a single drive, ATA is often faster than SCSI due to lower command overhead. As soon as you put a bunch of tasks doing I/O and/or simultaneous access to multiple drives, SCSI starts to win out. However, one has to balance the cost versus the performance. See the U2 SCSI vs. ATA comparison below in the AccelerateYourMac article. Partial references: The SCSI Bus & IDE Interface, Protocols, Applications & Programming by Friedhelm Schmidt, Addison Wesley, ISBN: 0-201-17514-2. http://www4.tomshardware.com/guides/storage/hdd-04.html http://www.storagereview.com/guide/guide_ide_scsi.html http://www.xlr8yourmac.com/SCSI/Ultra2SCSI/ (scroll down to the table with the ATA drive results). Darwin source code. Download it. Index it. The Apple ATA Software Guide: http://developer.apple.com/techpubs/hardware/DeviceManagers/ata/ata_ref/frameset.html The Apple Power Macintosh G3 Developer Note http://developer.apple.com/techpubs/hardware/Developer_Notes/Macintosh_CPUs-G3/PowerMacintosh_G3/PowerMacintosh_G3.pdf I'm also sure you'll be able to find all sorts of into on it on Intel's web site. -- Bill Chin (NeXTmail/MIME accepted) From giddings at genetics.utah.edu Mon May 17 20:40:29 1999 From: giddings at genetics.utah.edu (giddings@genetics.utah.edu) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:10 2005 Subject: NFS and Linux: Any solutions yet? Message-ID: <199905180239.UAA16952@howard.genetics.utah.edu> I'm trying to get MacOSX/S and Linux to play together via NFS. I mount the Linux disk on my MacOSX/S machine. The mount works fine. But I can't write to the Linux disk - on the linux machine, I get "strange write req" messages. I looked in the archived messages here, and the solutions I saw suggested were: using '-P' as an option using '4096' as the write size. Neither one has helped. Well, actually, using -P allows me to do something like cat onto a file on the linux machine and type to it from the MacOSX/s keyboard, but if I try a copy of a whole file, it still fails. The resulting file on the linux machine is blank. Is this a bug? Thanks for any assistance, Michael Giddings From amaral at dynbis050.dynamic.cst.cmich.edu Mon May 17 20:14:12 1999 From: amaral at dynbis050.dynamic.cst.cmich.edu (J. Pedro Sousa do Amaral) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:10 2005 Subject: Apache dies! [ was: Re: Apache web log analysis tool?] Message-ID: <1285139634-27922600@dynbis050.dynamic.cst.cmich.edu> > Run a cron job that checks & restarts apache every minute ? > > Ugly but better than 'Unable to connect to remote server' I am running the script that was posted to the list and apache still dies! I think that I have added the right line to the file crontab: #Keep Apache running */1 * * * * root /sbin/apache_shall_not_die (apache_shall_not_die is the name I gave to the script) I am now trying what Jao van de Lagemaat suggested and am running it nice -10. It has worked thus far. In a private message Jao suggested that the SERVER=-YES- to SERVER=-NO- would work. However, I have been running that option before apache even started to die (to improve Blue Box performance). Now, I have all three of those methods going: SERVER=-NO-, the cron script, and the nice -10. Is this problem memory related? I have 160 MB of RAM. Would it fix the problem to buy more RAM? What is Apple opinion about this? How common is this problem? ZP From sanguish at digifix.com Mon May 17 20:40:59 1999 From: sanguish at digifix.com (Scott Anguish) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:10 2005 Subject: Apache dies! [ was: Re: Apache web log analysis tool?] In-Reply-To: <1285139634-27922600@dynbis050.dynamic.cst.cmich.edu> References: <1285139634-27922600@dynbis050.dynamic.cst.cmich.edu> Message-ID: <199905180341.XAA16371@digifix.com> J. Pedro Sousa do Amaral wrote: > > Run a cron job that checks & restarts apache every minute ? > > > > Ugly but better than 'Unable to connect to remote server' > > I am running the script that was posted to the list and apache still > dies! I think that I have added the right line to the file crontab: > Did anyone try the suggestion of removing the auto-rotating logs stuff? Someone here a week ago suggested that fixed the problem. From sanguish at digifix.com Mon May 17 23:52:09 1999 From: sanguish at digifix.com (Scott Anguish) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:10 2005 Subject: Additional WWDC Coverage notes now on Stepwise Message-ID: <199905180649.CAA16990@digifix.com> I've got all the remainder of my notes, and some additional stuff forwarded by Tomi Engel, Maury Markowitz and Mmalc. Tonight I added content about the Mac OS X file systems, networking, app layout, iokit and generally cleaned up my notes. If anyone has notes about the NetInfo sessions that they'd like to submit, or about the WOF sessions.. I'd love to get a copy... There is much technical stuff there, so I hope that this isn't out of bounds in the dev list.. Oh, I also finished uploading the rest of the images( 20 or so) to the Rogues Gallery.. -- Scott Anguish Middlebury College - Center for Educational Technology Stepwise Server - Mac OS X Server Information From zampino at squidco.com Tue May 18 05:37:43 1999 From: zampino at squidco.com (philz) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:10 2005 Subject: quick question re filebrowser In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: jon@colossus.cs.wits.ac.za wrote: >hi all > >sorry to add to the noise. > >is there a better filesystem browser available? i saw something mentioned >but came in on the butt of the conversation so i didn't see any details. i >realise this is a touchy issue but i find the regular nextstep browser >irritating for two reasons (a) it insists on column view rather than icon >view, and, (b) it very seldom does a MOVE when i want it. it usually does >a copy. when i was beta'ing rhapsody i mentioned this as a bug but it was >too hard to replicate. eg: i moved omniweb from >/Local/Applications/Internet to /System/Applications because i'm a >tidiness fanatic, and it insisted on doing a copy. so i used the CLI "mv" >command instead. I second the request/complaint. I'm finding the file manager extremely annoying- even though I've set the default view to column (like a mac os view) it insists on opening all views in the hierarchical format. When I try to do a copy or move 9 times out of 10 it refuses, unless I change to icon view. Renames only work on the top display area of the hierarchical view, unless the moon is in jupiter and my cat is balancing on a pencil top... in other words, this thing is quirky as hell, and really frustrating to use! What I wouldn't give to see the Mac OS understand UFS disks... philz From zampino at squidco.com Tue May 18 05:29:40 1999 From: zampino at squidco.com (philz) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:10 2005 Subject: Apache web log analysis tool? In-Reply-To: <199905180135.VAA02432@ocalhost> References: <199905180135.VAA02432@ocalhost> Message-ID: tjlists@bigfoot.com wrote: >Run a cron job that checks & restarts apache every minute ? > >Ugly but better than 'Unable to connect to remote server' Speaking of which, can anyone suggest a method of stopping and restarting appache? I've bought the O'Reilly Appache book, but all of the examples are for httpd which I understand has been replaced by the appache command, but doesn't seem to work the same for me. I can find the httpd pid file, but when I try to kill that pid I still see appache processes running. Let alone that I have no idea how to restart appache if I ever get it down! Any help appreciated, philz From amaral at dynbis050.dynamic.cst.cmich.edu Tue May 18 06:19:59 1999 From: amaral at dynbis050.dynamic.cst.cmich.edu (J. Pedro Sousa do Amaral) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:10 2005 Subject: Apache web log analysis tool? Message-ID: <1285103294-30108765@dynbis050.dynamic.cst.cmich.edu> > Speaking of which, can anyone suggest a method of stopping and > restarting appache? I've bought the O'Reilly Appache book, but all > of the examples are for httpd which I understand has been replaced by > the appache command, but doesn't seem to work the same for me. I can > find the httpd pid file, but when I try to kill that pid I still see > appache processes running. Let alone that I have no idea how to > restart appache if I ever get it down! Assuming that the apache process owned by root is dead, start the ProcessViewer as Administrator (use AppOpener for that purpose). Kill all the apache children (owned by www). Then issue the command apachectl stop (it will complain that it cannot kill a given PID), and issue the command apachectl start. Apache should be up and running. I bet there is a more UNIX-elegant way of doing this, but this is the only one I know and it works. ZP From jkeenan at apple.com Tue May 18 08:05:26 1999 From: jkeenan at apple.com (Joe Keenan) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:10 2005 Subject: [OT] NeXT memory question References: Message-ID: <374181B1.DC4E9B84@apple.com> Early NeXT B&W systems shipped with 8Meg of RAM and 105Meg disk. No developer environment. I actually managed to shoehorn the gcc tools onto a 105M disk once, without IB, etc. It was a stretch. joe Scott Mullen wrote: > 12mb, I think you can get the install as amall as a 250mb hard drive if > you do a lot of trimming. > > ^M > ^M > Scott Mullen PSW Technologies, Inc. > Information and Systems 6300 Bridgepoint Parkway > mailto:scott_m@pswtech.com Building 3, Suite 200 > phone: (512) 342-3406 Austin TX 78730 > fax: (512) 345-4976 http://www.pswtech.com > > --"The only reason for time is so that everything > doesn't happen at once." -- B. Banzai > > On Sun, 16 May 1999, Ronald C.F. Antony wrote: > > > Does anyone know what max. amount of RAM is that a NeXTstation Turbo > > can take? I know that with 32MB 72-pin SIMMs, I can get 128MB. > > I was just wondering if the larger size 72-pin SIMMs would work, > > or if there's something about the system that limits the max. amount > > to 128MB. > > > > Also, does anyone know what the min. amount of HD space is for a > > minimal NeXTSTEP 3.3 or OPENSTEP 4.2 install? (no man pages, user > > apps, etc. needed except Terminal, Edit and the Admin tools. For the > > most part the system will not even have the window server enabled). > > > > Thanks, > > > > Ronald > > ============================================================================== > > "The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists > > in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the > > unreasonable man." G.B. Shaw | rcfa@cubiculum.com | NeXT-mail welcome > > > > From rdelbello at daileyads.com Tue May 18 08:41:10 1999 From: rdelbello at daileyads.com (Remo Del Bello) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:10 2005 Subject: OF version number: Please have a look! Message-ID: <199905181609.JAA25807@mail.daileyads.com> Actually I do remember that some Mac models needed the keys depressed BEFORE hitting the power key if you wanted to also zap the non-volatile PRAM (The 8500 comes to mind). This does seem awkward, but if you have an extended keyboard it can be done without the nose... hold down the command and option keys on the right side of the keyboard with your left thumb and the p and r keys with the index and pinky, respectively. Then you have the right hand free to power the machine on. --Remo On 5/17/99 6:09 PM, Ashish Mishra deftly typed out: >> Had to Cmd-Alt-P-R (pressing the power-on key with my nose, WONDERFUL >> SYSTEM APPLE!) >> to get it booting normally. > >You don't need to press the CMD-Alt-P-R until after the first power on beep. >(ie. press the power button first, then hold down those keys). > >Still, picturing someone using their Nose to press a key was the funniest >thing I heard today! > > > >~~ Ashish Mishra, Sine of the Times, http://www.sineware.com >~~ mac2400, http://www.sineware.com/mac2400 > >The person who says it cannot be done should not interrupt the person doing >it. - Chinese proberb > > From parker at wildmile.com Tue May 18 08:57:10 1999 From: parker at wildmile.com (Parker Beeson) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:10 2005 Subject: How many IDE drives can a BW support... Message-ID: <37418DD6.7F68FFDF@wildmile.com> Go to http://www.xlr8yourmac.com/G3-ZONE/yosemite/IDE/ and follow the directions for creating a slave IDE HD. Good Luck!! =) -- Parker Beeson Cyberia Enterprises http://www.cyberia.cc (888)838-7222 From mvgfr at netcom.com Tue May 18 09:59:16 1999 From: mvgfr at netcom.com (Marc Farnum Rendino) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:10 2005 Subject: QuickTime Streaming In-Reply-To: <0FBB00DFZRVN1Z@houston.jhuapl.edu> References: <0FBB00DFZRVN1Z@houston.jhuapl.edu> Message-ID: At 12:24 PM -0700 on 99/05/06, Chris Stone wrote: >I am still having problems with streaming... Remember that MSIE doesn't do rtp or rtsp, so these URLs are fine in QT 4's "QuickTime Player" app, but MSIE doesn't know what to do with them. - Marc From giddings at genetics.utah.edu Tue May 18 11:37:16 1999 From: giddings at genetics.utah.edu (giddings@genetics.utah.edu) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:10 2005 Subject: Strange IMAP Behavior in MailViewer.app Message-ID: <199905181736.LAA23260@howard.genetics.utah.edu> I'm trying to use MailViewer.app to access my mail on a Linux host (charlotte) running Imap. I can't get it working properly. When I open the mailboxes window, it retrieves my whole home directory and displays it under charlotte (this takes a while!). It doesn't find my inbox. And when I browse through this list to one of my real mailboxes on charlotte, and open that, it shows up blank. This doesn't appear to be a server problem. Netscape works fine for Imap access to this host. I tried setting the directory in MailViewer preferences for charlotte to the correct one, but it seems to ignore the directory setting for Imap. Has anyone got Imap correctly working with MailViewer? If so, hints would be appreciated. Thanks Mike Giddings From macserve at mathnx.math.byu.edu Tue May 18 11:23:48 1999 From: macserve at mathnx.math.byu.edu (W. Smith) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:10 2005 Subject: Apache web log analysis tool? Message-ID: <199905181823.MAA20687@mathnx.math.byu.edu> There is a reasonable easy-to-get-started web log tool for Apache at http://www.ics.uci.edu/WebSoft/wwwstat/ -Bill From pf at ipagents.com Tue May 18 11:28:04 1999 From: pf at ipagents.com (Peter Fagerlund) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:10 2005 Subject: QuickTime Streaming In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At 19.48 +0200 99-05-18, Marc Farnum Rendino wrote: >At 12:24 PM -0700 on 99/05/06, Chris Stone wrote: >>I am still having problems with streaming... > >Remember that MSIE doesn't do rtp or rtsp, so these URLs are fine in >QT 4's "QuickTime Player" app, but MSIE doesn't know what to do with >them. Say What ? -- MSIE knows what a QuickTime movie is throught the QT Plugin and do not have problem therefore with any QuickTime Content streamed or not -- well ... hmmm ... with the exeption for MPEG layer 1 on Win. /peter From ff48 at columbia.edu Tue May 18 11:32:24 1999 From: ff48 at columbia.edu (Frederic Foucault) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:10 2005 Subject: Strange IMAP Behavior in MailViewer.app References: <199905181736.LAA23260@howard.genetics.utah.edu> Message-ID: <3741B237.8BD857B2@columbia.edu> Hi Mike, There isn't any IMAP protocol for MailViewer.app as it was the case for Mail.app under OpenStep. You need PINE or PopOver.app (if it's available for MacOSXS) to use IMAP mailboxes. I hope It's gonna change soon. Sincerely, -- _____F__r__e__d_____F__o__u__c__a__u__l__t_____ _____P o s t D o c G e n e t i c______ _____Genetics & Development Columbia University, NY_____ _____212-305-1734 voice 212-923-2090 fax www.bessy.com______ From parker at wildmile.com Tue May 18 11:48:51 1999 From: parker at wildmile.com (Parker Beeson) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:10 2005 Subject: Web file permissions? Message-ID: <3741B60C.53630400@wildmile.com> As a newcomer to unix in general I'm wondering what the best way to set the permissions are for public html documents. I have so far used the default html directory for Apache as it comes with MacOS X Server (/Local/Library/WebServer/Documents/). There are only two web developers at my company and I've added both of them to the webpage_authors group etc. Now, I've gone and setup each new pub directory in the Apache */Documents/ directory with root as the owner and webpage_authors as the group. I set all the permissions to 775. Is this acceptable or am I doing it all wrong. I was thinking about 644 also, but am not sure of the implications (does a .gif etc. really need to be executable??). I *do* know that I'd like to lock this box down as much as possible with my limited knowledge and also set it up right from the get go. Thanks for tips. -- Parker Beeson Cyberia Enterprises http://www.cyberia.cc (888)838-7222 From mvgfr at netcom.com Tue May 18 11:51:43 1999 From: mvgfr at netcom.com (Marc Farnum Rendino) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:10 2005 Subject: QuickTime Streaming In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 8:28 PM +0200 on 99/05/18, Peter Fagerlund wrote: >MSIE knows what a QuickTime movie is Yes, but that's a data type and we're talking protocols: MSIE knows http (and ftp), but not rtp and rtsp. If the data is delivered via rtp or rtsp, you need something that can handle that - like the QuickTime Player in QT 4. >throught the QT Plugin >and do not have problem therefore with any QuickTime Content >streamed or not -- well ... hmmm ... Or, you save a QT movie that's a pointer to an rtp/rtsp stream which (the QT MooV that contains the pointer) is then served via whatever you want (ex: http) displayed via the QT plugin in an MSIE browser window, and QT automagically handles the rtp/rtsp inside itself. So I guess we're saying about the same thing; just in different ways. :) - Marc From bvoller at lumin.com Tue May 18 12:13:13 1999 From: bvoller at lumin.com (bvoller@lumin.com) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:10 2005 Subject: G3 Firmware Update for Mac OS X Server? Message-ID: <19990518131313.009260@mail.lumin.com> I'm new to this list, so please forgive me if this question has been answered elsewhere... Does anyone know whether Apple's firmware updates for the Blue and White G3's are compatible with Mac OS X Server ? Version 1.0.2 was apparently intended for Mac OS X Server machines, version 1.1 clearly is not, but both make the same changes to firmware...Huh? The original TIL for v1.0.2 has been pulled. But when Apple released Firmware update 1.0.2 in April, they stated it "should be installed on all G3/BW and Macintosh Server G3 systems. It includes improved performance of PCI devices including built-in FireWire ports, improved support of NetBooting, and minor improvements to Open Firmware for Mac OS X Server." This implies that the firmware update is intended for machines running Mac OS X Server. On May 11th Apple posted Firmware update 1.1. Here, the read me says: "Improves PCI performance on all blue and white Power Macintosh G3 Desktop systems. Do not install this on Macintosh Server G3 running Mac OS X Server...Note: G3 Firmware Update 1.1 installs the same firmware as G3 Firmware Update 1.0.2. If you downloaded G3 Firmware Update 1.0.2 and updated your firmware successfully, then it is not necessary to download G3 Firmware Update 1.1." Did I miss something here ? I've checked all of the sources I'm familiar with and have found no definitive answer to this apparent paradox. Since firmware updates are usually one-way streets, I'd like to know whether to proceed or not....Is the firmware installed on the Mac Server G3's different from plain jane BW G3's ? From cvoelker at real-net.de Tue May 18 11:40:22 1999 From: cvoelker at real-net.de (Christian Voelker) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:10 2005 Subject: Installing MacOS X from a CD600i Message-ID: Ren? van Amerongen just wrote: >I'am not sure. But IIRC I did read somewhere that those CD 600i >doesn't work at all with MacOS x Server. Has anyone of you heard of such an issue as well? What is the matter? Would a CD300i be better (still have some of them)? I cant believe. My 12Plex does not change things at all (You know the Umax Pulsar story). Thank you for comments, no matter if good or bad. Just tell me whether it worked for you or it didnt. Thanks, Christian Dipl.-ing. Christian V?lker Burgunderstra?e 30 36039 Fulda-Bernhards Fon +49-661-962 64 60 Fax +49-661-962 64 69 From bierman at apple.com Tue May 18 12:39:25 1999 From: bierman at apple.com (Peter Bierman) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:10 2005 Subject: How many IDE drives can a BW support... In-Reply-To: <37418DD6.7F68FFDF@wildmile.com> Message-ID: At 9:11 AM -0700 5/18/99, Parker Beeson wrote: >Go to http://www.xlr8yourmac.com/G3-ZONE/yosemite/IDE/ and follow the >directions for creating a slave IDE HD. Good Luck!! =) FYI- Slave mode ATA disks are not yet supported in any currently available Mac OS X release. -pmb -- "UNIX shells in Mac OS X should be unneeded but functional... and have the same installed base as MPW." From Dionysos at Dionysia.org Tue May 18 13:40:18 1999 From: Dionysos at Dionysia.org (Dan Delaney) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:10 2005 Subject: Web file permissions? In-Reply-To: <3741B60C.53630400@wildmile.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 18 May 1999, Parker Beeson wrote: > As a newcomer to unix in general I'm wondering what the best way to set > the permissions are for public html documents. Here are my general rules of thumb: If you want everyone in the group to be able to edit the files, use the following permissions (I'll explain the "2" in a minute): Subdirectories: 2775 Image/Video/Audio/etc. files: 664 HTML files: 664 If your server used the XBitHack and your HTML file has a SSI or CGI program running from it then make it 775. But make sure that HTML files which don't need to be parsed are 664, otherwise your server is looking for SSIs and CGI calls in every file. If you don't want anyone else in the froup to be able to edit your files, then: Subdirectories: 744 Image/Video/Audio/etc. files: 644 HTML files: 644 And finally, if a subdirectory has a password or otherwise restricted access (as with a .htaccess file), then make it 2771 (for group access) or 2711 (to keep the group out) so that other users on the system can't get a file listing of the directory's contents. By only leaving the x bit on and turning off the r bit, you are allowing the files inside to be accessible (which they need to be for the web server)--that's what the x bit is for--but you are not allowing anyone to actaully read what files are in the directory. > I set all the permissions to 775. Is this acceptable or am I > doing it all wrong. 755 is sufficient, but it will cause you problems when you create files in that directory. Without the "2" at the beginning of "2775", new files created in the directory will be assigned the user's login group, instead of the group of the subdirectory. That means that every time that the members of the group create a new file they have to go in and change the group so that others in the group can access it. Setting the directory to 2775 makes it so that all new files created in that directory will be assigned whatever the group of the directory is. > I was thinking about 644 also, but am not sure of the implications You can't set subdirectories to 664 because without the x bit, the files inside a subdirectory are inaccessible. > does a .gif etc. really need to be executable? No, and it shouldn't be. If it is, then if someone wants to just view it directly from it's URL, they will see the binary data for the file instead of the image. Hope that helps. -- Dan __________________________________________________________________________ Daniel G. Delaney Dionysos@Dionysia.org www.Dionysia.org/~dionysos/ PGP Public Key: /~dionysos/pgp.html From jdawson at mrk.com Tue May 18 14:04:16 1999 From: jdawson at mrk.com (Jerald Dawson) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:10 2005 Subject: How many IDE drives can a BW support... References: Message-ID: <00d901bea171$fdc0cd00$2c3dd926@netcai.com> They might not be supported by they work. Not as a boot disk but as a storage disk. I've got a slave drive in my B&W G3 400 that works find in 8.5.1 and 8.6. Didn't have any trouble with it. I'm sure there is some low level reason apple isn;t supporting it but it works fine for me and has for a couple months now. jerald dawson ----- Original Message ----- From: Peter Bierman To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 1999 2:47 PM Subject: Re: How many IDE drives can a BW support... > At 9:11 AM -0700 5/18/99, Parker Beeson wrote: > >Go to http://www.xlr8yourmac.com/G3-ZONE/yosemite/IDE/ and follow the > >directions for creating a slave IDE HD. Good Luck!! =) > > FYI- Slave mode ATA disks are not yet supported in any currently available > Mac OS X release. > > -pmb > > -- > "UNIX shells in Mac OS X should be unneeded but functional... > and have the same installed base as MPW." > > From sanguish at digifix.com Tue May 18 14:15:45 1999 From: sanguish at digifix.com (Scott Anguish) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:10 2005 Subject: Strange IMAP Behavior in MailViewer.app In-Reply-To: <3741B237.8BD857B2@columbia.edu> References: <3741B237.8BD857B2@columbia.edu> Message-ID: <199905182115.RAA04100@digifix.com> Frederic Foucault wrote: > Hi Mike, > > There isn't any IMAP protocol for MailViewer.app as it was the case for > Mail.app under OpenStep. You need PINE or PopOver.app (if it's available > for MacOSXS) to use IMAP mailboxes. I hope It's gonna change soon. This is just wrong. There is IMAP support in MailViewer.app. From gbh at middlemarch.net Tue May 18 14:29:38 1999 From: gbh at middlemarch.net (gbh@middlemarch.net) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:10 2005 Subject: Device and raw device names Message-ID: What would be the device and also raw device name for my SCSI CD drive? Its the 3rd SCSI drive (2 other hard drives) on the chain with ID #5. Are there any docs explaining the raw device naming conventions? Also where are the boot messages logged to? I looked in the /var/log files but did not find it there. Greg From nancy at bluecomet.com Tue May 18 14:30:39 1999 From: nancy at bluecomet.com (Nancy Craighill) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:10 2005 Subject: Does Iomega Zip Work w/ Mac OS X? - SUMMARY Message-ID: <3741DBFF.F9ABECEC@bluecomet.com> Robert and all who responded, It seems everyone else who has had success with the Iomega Zip, has a G3 with the old DB-25 (not the Micro-68 connector on the newer models), or a built in Zip. Unfortunately, I have a B&W G3 with Ultra Wide SCSI (it has the Micro-68 SCSI connector), and the Iomega Zip 100 has the old-style-Mac DB-25 connector (its the version that you can use with PCs too). I already have a Micro-68 to Centronics 50 cable to attach my DAT drive, so I tried using the old Mac DB-25 to Centronics 50 cable (reversed the direction) to add the Zip at the end of the chain (after the DAT drive). Anyway, the G3 would not boot although termination was correct and there was no SCSI ID conflict. I'm at a loss, because my cable provider doesn't carry any conversions from a Micro-68 to DB-25, so I can't put the Zip first on the chain. It seems like they want you to buy the USB or internal version! Any other suggestions?? ** Just read on the Apple FAQ site that Mac OS X Server doesn't support USB peripherals, so my only choice is purchasing an internal SCSI Zip?? ** - Nancy From parker at wildmile.com Tue May 18 15:01:57 1999 From: parker at wildmile.com (Parker Beeson) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:10 2005 Subject: make?!? Message-ID: <3741E354.31E5D016@wildmile.com> Sorry about the ignorance, but I'm trying to learn how to make and install analog so that I can track virtual host access on my apache server. I downloaded the required .tar.gz package from the analog web site and read the instructions, but I do not seem to have any "make". >From a terminal window I've tried "make".... "./make" etc. What am I missing?? I really need to start seeing who's hitting the sites without having to open the access logs in TextEdit....hehe. From bierman at apple.com Tue May 18 13:46:10 1999 From: bierman at apple.com (Peter Bierman) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:10 2005 Subject: How many IDE drives can a BW support... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >>FYI- Slave mode ATA disks are not yet supported in any currently available >>Mac OS X release. > >Even HFS/HFS+ slave disks? Ooops, sorry. Slave disks are only unsupported for booting. (System Disk is the problem actually.) Since you can't boot from a HFS+ disk, they probably work fine there. Note that I said probably, since I've never tried it, and I should probably shut up and get busy fixing System Disk. :-) -pmb -- "UNIX shells in Mac OS X should be unneeded but functional... and have the same installed base as MPW." From malvarez at codetel.net.do Tue May 18 15:14:37 1999 From: malvarez at codetel.net.do (Manuel Alvarez) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:10 2005 Subject: Does Iomega Zip Work w/ Mac OS X? - SUMMARY Message-ID: <199905182216.SAA21568@mail1.codetel.net.do> On 5/18/99 5:33 PM, Nancy Craighill wrote: >It seems like they want you to buy the USB or internal version! Any >other suggestions?? > >** Just read on the Apple FAQ site that Mac OS X Server doesn't support >USB peripherals, so my only choice is purchasing an internal SCSI Zip?? >** > >- Nancy Although it's probably not recommended by apple (and could *not sure* void your warranty) you could always buy an internal ATA Zip and install it inside, there are companies already selling the bezel for the blue g3's. Good Luck! Manuel Alvarez From maury at OAAI.COM Tue May 18 15:21:55 1999 From: maury at OAAI.COM (Maury Markowitz) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:10 2005 Subject: BB problems Message-ID: <199905182218.SAA17168@OAAI.COM> I didn't see anything _just_ like this, so... I don't get my BB side drive to appear on my X side desktop, nor can I use the BB at all - it starts then exits. On the console I get a... hfs: Bad file descriptor May 18 17:42:22 sasquatch kern_loader: kern_loader: Can't stat file /usr/filesystems/hfs.fs/hfs_fs_reloc, No such file or directory(2) May 18 17:42:22 sasquatch kern_loader: kern_loader: Can't stat file /usr/filesystems/hfs.fs/hfs_fs_reloc, No such file or directory(2) Is that first line telling me it's a "pure" HFS vol and not HFS+? If not, how do I find out if that's the problem some other way? Maury From jdawson at mrk.com Tue May 18 15:46:16 1999 From: jdawson at mrk.com (Jerald Dawson) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:10 2005 Subject: How many IDE drives can a BW support... Message-ID: <19990518225952648.AAA321.305@[38.217.63.48]> Opps. I also meant to include OS X Server in that message. Jerald Dawson > They might not be supported by they work. Not as a boot disk but as a > storage disk. I've got a slave drive in my B&W G3 400 that works find in > 8.5.1 and 8.6. Didn't have any trouble with it. I'm sure there is some low > level reason apple isn;t supporting it but it works fine for me and has for > a couple months now. > > jerald dawson > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Peter Bierman > To: Multiple recipients of list > Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 1999 2:47 PM > Subject: Re: How many IDE drives can a BW support... > > >> At 9:11 AM -0700 5/18/99, Parker Beeson wrote: >> >Go to http://www.xlr8yourmac.com/G3-ZONE/yosemite/IDE/ and follow the >> >directions for creating a slave IDE HD. Good Luck!! =) >> >> FYI- Slave mode ATA disks are not yet supported in any currently available >> Mac OS X release. >> >> -pmb >> >> -- >> "UNIX shells in Mac OS X should be unneeded but functional... >> and have the same installed base as MPW." >> >> > From camaillist at earthlink.net Tue May 18 16:40:59 1999 From: camaillist at earthlink.net (Chris Anthes) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:10 2005 Subject: Mac OS X Client on iMac Message-ID: <199905182333.QAA11773@goose.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Has anyone successfully installed Mac OS X Client Developer Preview 1 on an iMac yet? I have been trying, but after the first restart, it locks up with a blank screen when reading the CD. I have installed Mac OS X Server without any problems. I have the drive set up with a 1 GB partition for Mac OS X Server, a 1 GB partition for Mac OS X Client, and a 2 GB partition for Mac OS 8.6. Any suggestions? Chris From bartosh at apple.tamu.edu Tue May 18 16:42:39 1999 From: bartosh at apple.tamu.edu (Michael bartosh) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:10 2005 Subject: Mac OS X Client on iMac In-Reply-To: <199905182333.QAA11773@goose.prod.itd.earthlink.net> References: <199905182333.QAA11773@goose.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Message-ID: At 4:37 PM -0700 5/18/99, Chris Anthes wrote: >Has anyone successfully installed Mac OS X Client Developer Preview 1 on >an iMac yet? I have been trying, but after the first restart, it locks up >with a blank screen when reading the CD. I have installed Mac OS X Server >without any problems. I have the drive set up with a 1 GB partition for >Mac OS X Server, a 1 GB partition for Mac OS X Client, and a 2 GB >partition for Mac OS 8.6. Any suggestions? > >Chris Try this just for kicks: -Start up from your hard drive- preferably after updating to 8.6 -Copy the whole 'MacOS X Server Install' folder onto the desktop. -Run the installer- of coures choose unsuported install (since you have to anyway when you do an unsuported install, it lets you break EVERY rule- ie the installer doesn't check ANYHTING. Point it towards the correct partition- but since you got OSXS installed, perhaps this is not your problem. From bierman at apple.com Tue May 18 17:00:25 1999 From: bierman at apple.com (Peter Bierman) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:10 2005 Subject: Mac OS X Client on iMac In-Reply-To: <199905182333.QAA11773@goose.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Message-ID: At 4:36 PM -0700 5/18/99, Chris Anthes wrote: >without any problems. I have the drive set up with a 1 GB partition for >Mac OS X Server, a 1 GB partition for Mac OS X Client, and a 2 GB >partition for Mac OS 8.6. Any suggestions? If all three of these were on the same disk, then you don't likely have your MOSX Server volume there anymore. There was supposed to be a big warning in the DP1 readme that said not to do that. Can anyone else confirm that it's there? This is the "only one UFS partition on a disk" rule still. -pmb -- "UNIX shells in Mac OS X should be unneeded but functional... and have the same installed base as MPW." From bierman at apple.com Tue May 18 17:03:54 1999 From: bierman at apple.com (Peter Bierman) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:10 2005 Subject: G3 Firmware Update for Mac OS X Server? In-Reply-To: <19990518131313.009260@mail.lumin.com> Message-ID: >On May 11th Apple posted Firmware update 1.1. Here, the read me says: > >"Improves PCI performance on all blue and white Power Macintosh G3 >Desktop systems. Do not install this on Macintosh Server G3 running Mac >OS X Server...Note: G3 Firmware Update 1.1 installs the same firmware as >G3 Firmware Update 1.0.2. If you downloaded G3 Firmware Update 1.0.2 and >updated your firmware successfully, then it is not necessary to download >G3 Firmware Update 1.1." This is being looked into. -pmb -- "UNIX shells in Mac OS X should be unneeded but functional... and have the same installed base as MPW." From camaillist at earthlink.net Tue May 18 17:48:12 1999 From: camaillist at earthlink.net (Chris Anthes) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:10 2005 Subject: Mac OS X Client on iMac Message-ID: <199905190040.RAA06706@goose.prod.itd.earthlink.net> >>without any problems. I have the drive set up with a 1 GB partition for >>Mac OS X Server, a 1 GB partition for Mac OS X Client, and a 2 GB >>partition for Mac OS 8.6. Any suggestions? > >If all three of these were on the same disk, then you don't likely have >your MOSX Server volume there anymore. > >There was supposed to be a big warning in the DP1 readme that said not to >do that. Can anyone else confirm that it's there? > >This is the "only one UFS partition on a disk" rule still. I still have my OS X Server partition. It works fine. As does my Mac OS 8.6 partition. And OS X Client recognized the third partition (it was a HFS+) and began the install on it. In fact, when I run the installer again, it still recognizes the partition (as a partially installed OS X drive). I don't see anything in the read me or install instructions mentioning not being able to have multiple UFS partitions. It does say you "can" replace Mac OS X Server by installing over it. I think it might be a firmware issue. I have the latest iMac firmware. Chris From bierman at apple.com Tue May 18 18:08:28 1999 From: bierman at apple.com (Peter Bierman) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:10 2005 Subject: Mac OS X Client on iMac In-Reply-To: <199905190040.RAA06706@goose.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Message-ID: At 5:42 PM -0700 5/18/99, Chris Anthes wrote: >I still have my OS X Server partition. It works fine. As does my Mac OS >8.6 partition. And OS X Client recognized the third partition (it was a >HFS+) and began the install on it. In fact, when I run the installer >again, it still recognizes the partition (as a partially installed OS X >drive). If the installer says "previously selected install target", then you're lucky that the install didn't continue after the reboot. After the reboot, the CD boots MOSX, and runs a script which looks for a disk contianing an install target partition. It then looks for all of the UFS volumes on that disk and DELETES THEM, along with any booter, secondary loader partitions, and the target partition. It then tries to create a UFS volume in the same place and of the same size as the target partition. -pmb -- "UNIX shells in Mac OS X should be unneeded but functional... and have the same installed base as MPW." From mjs315 at psu.edu Tue May 18 18:57:09 1999 From: mjs315 at psu.edu (Mike Shadow) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:10 2005 Subject: Appletalk and NetBoot won't work together Message-ID: <37421A71.3489E92B@psu.edu> Hello MacOSX-Admins I'm having problems getting Appletalk and NetBoot to work through different ports on our OSX Server. I want to get our server to serve AFS (along with MM, www, telnet, and ftp) to our global network through port 1. While at the same time NetBoot a lab of iMacs through port 4 and have them see the global network. If I set the server up so everything is served through port 1 it works fine. However when I set it up to use port 1 for the global network and port 4 for the lab I run into the following problems: Server does not show up in the Chooser (entering the IP does work however) on the global network Computers on the global network can't log in to Mac Manager (Appletalk or IP) iMacs in the lab can NetBoot but can not log in to Mac Manager (Appletalk or IP) iMacs can't see the global network (Appletalk or IP) A web browser on the iMacs will access the server and only the server if I enter the IP address of port 4 If anyone has any ideas as to how to get this to work I'd greatly appreciate it. Thanks in advance, -Mike -- Mike Shadow Macintosh Support Specialist Ph: 814 863 1514 Instructional & Technological Support Fx: 814 865 1955 College of Education Em: mjs315@psu.edu Penn State University From camaillist at earthlink.net Tue May 18 23:43:07 1999 From: camaillist at earthlink.net (Chris Anthes) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:10 2005 Subject: Mac OS X Client on iMac Message-ID: <199905190635.XAA23474@goose.prod.itd.earthlink.net> >If the installer says "previously selected install target", then you're >lucky that the install didn't continue after the reboot. > >After the reboot, the CD boots MOSX, and runs a script which looks for a >disk contianing an install target partition. It then looks for all of the >UFS volumes on that disk and DELETES THEM, along with any booter, secondary >loader partitions, and the target partition. It then tries to create a UFS >volume in the same place and of the same size as the target partition. Well, I guess the installer isn't even making it that far, because it sure didn't delete my other UFS partition. But I did. I tried reinstalling Mac OS X Client by first reinitializing the entire drive into one partition and it still does the same thing: reboots and tries to start up from CD, then sits there with a blank (white) screen. So I guess that DP1 does not work on an (rev B) iMac. Very sad. I hope Apple fixes this soon because I don't really want to install it on my main work machine (a Beige G3)... Chris From uli at www.kaben-net.de Tue May 18 23:50:50 1999 From: uli at www.kaben-net.de (Ulrich Koester) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:10 2005 Subject: Strange IMAP Behavior in MailViewer.app Message-ID: <199905190650.IAA29794@www.kaben-net.de> HI Mike There is support for IMAP in MailViewer. It works with Stalker CommunigatePro. In Netscape everything works fine. In MailViewer many things are very strange. Example: Subject is: Problem is....... Body contains a message from my sweetie. Good Luck Ulrich -- Ulrich Köster Heino Haase Segel GmbH Gneversdorfer Weg 9 23570 Travemünde Germany fon: +49 4502 2038 fax: +49 4502 2315 From uli at www.kaben-net.de Tue May 18 23:50:55 1999 From: uli at www.kaben-net.de (Ulrich Koester) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:10 2005 Subject: Security issue No 12 Message-ID: <199905190650.IAA29807@www.kaben-net.de> Hi Is it correct that I can use any user name valid or not to log in to the AppleShareServer as long as I take the root password? Whats wrong Thanks in advance Ulrich -- Ulrich Köster Heino Haase Segel GmbH Gneversdorfer Weg 9 23570 Travemünde Germany fon: +49 4502 2038 fax: +49 4502 2315 From s.doyle at cowan.edu.au Wed May 19 00:18:58 1999 From: s.doyle at cowan.edu.au (Steven Doyle) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:10 2005 Subject: NetBooting Message-ID: <19990519151858.007158@139.230.169.11> Hi all! OK, this is really bugging me and i'm obviously being stupid about something..but i cant for the life of be see what it is.. I have a "test" G3 Beige Desktop running X Server,it has 2 ethernet cards in it..the built in on having an IP of 139.230.169.199 the second one configured via the network panel as 139.230.169.249 both machines run thru a mini-hub to a bigger hub to the router at 169.1 I try and install NetBoot stuff, I set the second card (the 100 MB) as the NetBoot card, I set the built in card as the AppleTalk Seed Router thing, It sees the IP address of the first card fine, then when it asks me for the IP of the second card, when I enter its IP, it tells me that there is a conflict between the built-in card and the second card!!! If I lie to the mac and put a ethernet address of a different subnet in there, it lets me define more on a ew screens, then tells me it can't find the other subnet's router (which is obvious) My understanding of netBooting set up is that you can have a machine on the same subnet as the router acting as a NetBoot server..I've got a B&W G3 on the same hub I want to NetBoot.. ALso now my ftp/telnet services are playing up, I think this is related to me tweaking the IP's of the cards during the netboot set-ups :) Thanks, as always, for all your help :) Cheers, Steve ========================================= Steven Doyle. B.Psych.Dip.Ed School of Communications and Multimedia Edith Cowan University. Perth. Australia ========================================= [e] s.doyle@cowan.edu.au From jhill at netlab.gmu.edu Wed May 19 02:47:28 1999 From: jhill at netlab.gmu.edu (Jason C. Hill) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:10 2005 Subject: make?!? Message-ID: <199905190947.FAA26365@netlab.gmu.edu> When dealing with UNIX, any flavor of, you REALLY REALLY, for those of you in the cheap seats, REALLY need to read those things that say README. UNIX is NOT a Mac, you can't just hope to run everything you download 99.8% of the time. Chances are good if you dl'd the source version you may have to compile the program. If you dl'd the binary, read the readme. Usually another file that is included with the README is the file called INSTALL, this is another source of required reading material. Um, after re-reading first sentence, second paragraph, one word, DUH. ;-)* It's early, of course you have to compile the source in order for it to run. Also, I don't know if the analog website provides an OS X package that you just throw on OpenUp or not, if you could supply the website address (I just skim over most osx-admin lists and don't recall seeing it in there) maybe someone else could go look, I might go look, and see what kind of package it is (as compared to a regular UNIX pkg). -Jason > Sorry about the ignorance, but I'm trying to learn how to make and > install analog so that I can track virtual host access on my apache > server. I downloaded the required .tar.gz package from the analog web > site and read the instructions, but I do not seem to have any "make". > From a terminal window I've tried "make".... "./make" etc. What am > I missing?? I really need to start seeing who's hitting the sites > without having to open the access logs in TextEdit....hehe. From rthomas at uiuc.edu Wed May 19 05:46:30 1999 From: rthomas at uiuc.edu (Ryan Thomas) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:10 2005 Subject: make?!? In-Reply-To: <199905190947.FAA26365@netlab.gmu.edu> References: <199905190947.FAA26365@netlab.gmu.edu> Message-ID: To get make, install WebObjects, it installs development tools such as compilers -- along with the make command. I can't think of a better example of how a reasonable, simple question resulted in such *unhelpful* techno-elitism. (Rarely in READMEs does it tell you how to acquire make. The assumption is usually made that compilers already exist.) I plead with you all -- please let us ask stupid questions without being publicly lambasted. -Ryan At 2:51 AM -0700 5/19/99, Jason C. Hill wrote: >When dealing with UNIX, any flavor of, you REALLY REALLY, for those of >you in the cheap seats, REALLY need to read those things that say >README. UNIX is NOT a Mac, you can't just hope to run everything you >download 99.8% of the time. > >Chances are good if you dl'd the source version you may have to >compile the program. If you dl'd the binary, read the readme. >Usually another file that is included with the README is the file >called INSTALL, this is another source of required reading material. > >Um, after re-reading first sentence, second paragraph, one word, DUH. >;-)* > >It's early, of course you have to compile the source in order for it >to run. > >Also, I don't know if the analog website provides an OS X package that >you just throw on OpenUp or not, if you could supply the website >address (I just skim over most osx-admin lists and don't recall seeing >it in there) maybe someone else could go look, I might go look, and >see what kind of package it is (as compared to a regular UNIX pkg). > > -Jason > > > Sorry about the ignorance, but I'm trying to learn how to make and > > install analog so that I can track virtual host access on my apache > > server. I downloaded the required .tar.gz package from the analog web > > site and read the instructions, but I do not seem to have any "make". > > From a terminal window I've tried "make".... "./make" etc. What am > > I missing?? I really need to start seeing who's hitting the sites > > without having to open the access logs in TextEdit....hehe. ===========------------------------------------------------------- Ryan Thomas, CCSO Consultant Network & Systems Administrator for the College of Education, UIUC rthomas@uiuc.edu, 217/244-0429, http://www.uiuc.edu/ph/www/rthomas From herren at flannet.middlebury.edu Wed May 19 08:05:23 1999 From: herren at flannet.middlebury.edu (David Herren) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:10 2005 Subject: QuickTime Streaming References: Message-ID: pf@ipagents.com writes: >Say What ? -- >MSIE knows what a QuickTime movie is throught the QT Plugin >and do not have problem therefore with any QuickTime Content >streamed or not -- well ... hmmm ... with the exeption for MPEG layer 1 on Win. sort of true, but sort of wrong as well. If you type a URL in the form: rtsp://machine.domain.net/moviename.mov neither netscape nor MSIE will know what to do with it, even with the QT4 plugin installed. To get streaming video to play, you have to use an embed tag. -- David D. Herren www.cet.middlebury.edu/herren Assoc. Dir. for Tech. & Instruction herren@flannet.middlebury.edu Center for Educational Technology voice: (802)443-5746 5 Court Street, Middlebury, VT 05753 fax: (802)443-2053 From herren at flannet.middlebury.edu Wed May 19 08:11:58 1999 From: herren at flannet.middlebury.edu (David Herren) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:10 2005 Subject: NetBooting References: <19990519151858.007158@139.230.169.11> Message-ID: s.doyle@cowan.edu.au writes: >I have a "test" G3 Beige Desktop running X Server,it has 2 ethernet cards >in it..the built in on having an IP of 139.230.169.199 the second one >configured via the network panel as 139.230.169.249 >both machines run thru a mini-hub to a bigger hub to the router at 169.1 >I try and install NetBoot stuff, I set the second card (the 100 MB) as >the NetBoot card, I set the built in card as the AppleTalk Seed Router >thing, It sees the IP address of the first card fine, then when it asks >me for the IP of the second card, when I enter its IP, it tells me that >there is a conflict between the built-in card and the second card!!! It's not just you. We have almost exactly the same problem, though in our case we're running a B&W that was purchase _with_ MacOSX Server pre-installed and the 4 port ethernet card. Attempting to connect the machine using just two ports fails with exactly the same error--it reports an IP address conflict between the two ports and they are most definitely distinct! >If I lie to the mac and put a ethernet address of a different subnet in >there, it lets me define more on a ew screens, then tells me it can't >find the other subnet's router (which is obvious) >My understanding of netBooting set up is that you can have a machine on >the same subnet as the router acting as a NetBoot server..I've got a B&W >G3 on the same hub I want to NetBoot.. >ALso now my ftp/telnet services are playing up, I think this is related >to me tweaking the IP's of the cards during the netboot set-ups :) -- David D. Herren www.cet.middlebury.edu/herren Assoc. Dir. for Tech. & Instruction herren@flannet.middlebury.edu Center for Educational Technology voice: (802)443-5746 5 Court Street, Middlebury, VT 05753 fax: (802)443-2053 From jkeenan at apple.com Wed May 19 06:32:56 1999 From: jkeenan at apple.com (Joe Keenan) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:10 2005 Subject: NetBooting References: <19990519151858.007158@139.230.169.11> Message-ID: <3742BD86.322084EF@apple.com> Steven Doyle wrote: > I have a "test" G3 Beige Desktop running X Server,it has 2 ethernet cards > in it..the built in on having an IP of 139.230.169.199 the second one > configured via the network panel as 139.230.169.249 > > both machines run thru a mini-hub to a bigger hub to the router at 169.1 You don't say, but I'm assuming both interfaces have a netmask of 255.255.255.0. So that means both interfaces are on the same subnet. Right? > I try and install NetBoot stuff, I set the second card (the 100 MB) as > the NetBoot card, I set the built in card as the AppleTalk Seed Router > thing, It sees the IP address of the first card fine, then when it asks > me for the IP of the second card, when I enter its IP, it tells me that > there is a conflict between the built-in card and the second card!!! They're both on the same subnet. It's probably confused about which card to use send packets to that subnet or zone. > If I lie to the mac and put a ethernet address of a different subnet in > there, it lets me define more on a ew screens, then tells me it can't > find the other subnet's router (which is obvious) > > My understanding of netBooting set up is that you can have a machine on > the same subnet as the router acting as a NetBoot server..I've got a B&W > G3 on the same hub I want to NetBoot.. > > ALso now my ftp/telnet services are playing up, I think this is related > to me tweaking the IP's of the cards during the netboot set-ups :) If you've only got one subnet or zone, then there's no point in using more than one network interface. joe From pf at ipagents.com Wed May 19 08:05:22 1999 From: pf at ipagents.com (Peter Fagerlund) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:10 2005 Subject: QuickTime Streaming In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 17.05 +0200 99-05-19, David Herren wrote: >sort of true, but sort of wrong as well. >If you type a URL in the form: >rtsp://machine.domain.net/moviename.mov >neither netscape nor MSIE will know what to do with it, even with the QT4 >plugin installed. To get streaming video to play, you have to use an embed >tag. Kind of sematics -- I know You people like those -- so here goes -- I can then say neither MSIE or NN knows TCP/IP since when I type in the address TCPIP://machine.domain.net it do not work ... The OS Knows TCP/IP thou ... ;-) /peter PS: It works with http://machine.domain.net:554/moviename.mov : DS From parker at wildmile.com Wed May 19 08:26:22 1999 From: parker at wildmile.com (Parker Beeson) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:10 2005 Subject: make?!? References: <199905190944.FAA25216@netlab.gmu.edu> Message-ID: <3742D81D.FD3E6AF4@wildmile.com> Very constructive, thank you. Just because I said ignorance you shouldn't presume idiocy ..hehe. I've been using Unix long enough to grasp the obvious.... I also recognize the high level of expertise of the majority of the readers on the list and am just trying to tweak a few tips out of the pros here. I'll let it slide this time because you said it was "early" and I'm *very* familiar with my own morning sourness most of the time. /-) PS - after installing the dev tools off of the WebObjects CD analog is purring along nicely thank you. "Jason C. Hill" wrote: > When dealing with UNIX, any flavor of, you REALLY REALLY, for those of > you in the cheap seats, REALLY need to read those things that say > README. UNIX is NOT a Mac, you can't just hope to run everything you > download 99.8% of the time. > > Chances are good if you dl'd the source version you may have to > compile the program. If you dl'd the binary, read the readme. > Usually another file that is included with the README is the file > called INSTALL, this is another source of required reading material. > > Um, after re-reading first sentence, second paragraph, one word, DUH. > ;-)* > > It's early, of course you have to compile the source in order for it > to run. > > Also, I don't know if the analog website provides an OS X package that > you just throw on OpenUp or not, if you could supply the website > address (I just skim over most osx-admin lists and don't recall seeing > it in there) maybe someone else could go look, I might go look, and > see what kind of package it is (as compared to a regular UNIX pkg). > > -Jason From cvoelker at real-net.de Wed May 19 09:35:18 1999 From: cvoelker at real-net.de (Christian Voelker) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:10 2005 Subject: Installing MacOS X from a CD600i Message-ID: Hello, I tried to send this answer directly but the mailerd reports permanent fatal errors. So this mostly for Ulrich Koester and thus in german language. >Sobald ich eine ATI Karte habe , werde ich die mal ausprobieren. Kann ich Dir leihweise gerne zur Verf?gung stellen. Bringt mich ja selbst auch weiter. Ich denke aber, da? das *nicht* das Problem ist. Dazu habe ich in den letzten zwei Wochen zuviel damit herum gemacht und ?ber OpenFirmWare gelernt. Bist Du fit mit OF und Forth? Wie weit bist Du mit dem Installer gekommen? gru?, C. Dipl.-ing. Christian V?lker Burgunderstra?e 30 36039 Fulda-Bernhards Fon +49-661-962 64 60 Fax +49-661-962 64 69 From fan at chem.ucla.edu Wed May 19 10:47:19 1999 From: fan at chem.ucla.edu (Paul S. Fan) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:10 2005 Subject: X window Message-ID: <199905191747.KAA10445@krypton.chem.ucla.edu> Hi - Could someone confirm for me that the X window server Mac X works in the Blue Box? Thanks, Paul From wchin at acm.org Wed May 19 10:59:06 1999 From: wchin at acm.org (Bill Chin) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:10 2005 Subject: Samba 2.0.4a beta testers needed Message-ID: <199905191702.NAA08439@mail.richmond.net> Samba 2.0.4a, a SMB/CIFS open source server was recently released by the Samba team. Just like with 2.0.3, I'm working on the port and creating a binary installer. 2.0.4a should work much better with NT clients and does not require the nt pipe support = no, nt smb support = no workarounds that 2.0.3 required. I've been running the pre-release 2.0.4 code for a couple of weeks now, and the 2.0.4 release code for a few days with about 5 NT clients. I don't see any additional problems. I've also made the changes to port smbtorture over to MOXS using Mach VM calls instead of SYSV shared memory. Running that reveals that Samba on MOXS doesn't pass all the file locking tests.. it fails tests 2 and 3 (out of 3). I'm not sure of the ramifications yet... I'm still working on it. This problem was also present in 2.0.3. There are also a few other little things to tweak in the port to MOXS. Anyways, I'm going to be finishing up a binary installer package today and would like to sign up some beta testers before I release it generally. Please send me e-mail to volunteer if you are willing to 1) install the package and test it in the next two days 2) are willing to deal with major problems on your machine if something goes wrong. Ideally, I'll release the package w/o the locking fixes by Friday. Thanks! ..Bill Chin -- Bill Chin (NeXTmail/MIME accepted) From pcoskren at bbn.com Wed May 19 11:19:34 1999 From: pcoskren at bbn.com (Patrick Coskren) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:10 2005 Subject: X window Message-ID: <199905191818.OAA06192@po1.bbn.com> > Hi - > > Could someone confirm for me that the X window server > Mac X works in the Blue Box? Confirmed. The only issue is that it offers to close all your clients every time you leave the Blue Box and return. The reason is that the screen seems to be reset, which makes Mac X think that its display settings are invalid, even though they're not. Or at least, that's my theory. But you can just dismiss the dialog and keep going. -Patrick From j.m.taraldsen at usit.uio.no Wed May 19 12:23:41 1999 From: j.m.taraldsen at usit.uio.no (Joakim Magnus Taraldsen) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:10 2005 Subject: X window In-Reply-To: <199905191747.KAA10445@krypton.chem.ucla.edu> Message-ID: Klokka 19:05 +0100 den 19-05-99 satt Paul S. Fan ved tastaturet og knotta dette: >Could someone confirm for me that the X window server >Mac X works in the Blue Box? I am using MacX 2.0 in the BB without problems. -Magnus Joakim Magnus Taraldsen, DoD #00101010, KotB 97 VTR1000 Homepage: http://www.uio.no/~joakimt/ Honda VTR1000 page: http://www.uio.no/~joakimt/vtr/vtr.html Norway MC Maps: http://www.uio.no/~joakimt/nam/namkart.html A)bort, R)etry, I)gnore, V)alium? From afindlay at austin.rr.com Wed May 19 14:00:52 1999 From: afindlay at austin.rr.com (afindlay@austin.rr.com) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:10 2005 Subject: NetBooting Message-ID: <05d2a5658201359SM2@Mail.austin.rr.com> I've been able to setup multiple ethernet interfaces successfully, but they were on different networks, 192.168.1.X and 192.168.2.X. I'd advise going through the NetBoot Setup Assistant again. Did you choose gateway or peer for your router config? From you description it sounds like you have a gateway topology. You should also have two zones, one for each interface. Make sure that each card is advertised in both zones, set the network range for the first interface to something like 1 to 1000 and the second card 1001 to 2000. The computer will still only appear in the home zone, but this may solve your problem. It seems that AppleTalk and IP are much more intergrate in this OS, so this may solve your problem. Also, what is the range of IPs that you are assigning to your netbooted clients? Adhamh > > OK, this is really bugging me and i'm obviously being stupid > about something..but i cant for the life of be see what it is.. > > I have a "test" G3 Beige Desktop running X Server,it has 2 ethernet cards > in it..the built in on having an IP of 139.230.169.199 the second one > configured via the network panel as 139.230.169.249 > > both machines run thru a mini-hub to a bigger hub to the router at 169.1 > > I try and install NetBoot stuff, I set the second card (the 100 MB) as > the NetBoot card, I set the built in card as the AppleTalk Seed Router > thing, It sees the IP address of the first card fine, then when it asks > me for the IP of the second card, when I enter its IP, it tells me that > there is a conflict between the built-in card and the second card!!! > > If I lie to the mac and put a ethernet address of a different subnet in > there, it lets me define more on a ew screens, then tells me it can't > find the other subnet's router (which is obvious) > > My understanding of netBooting set up is that you can have a machine on > the same subnet as the router acting as a NetBoot server..I've got a B&W > G3 on the same hub I want to NetBoot.. > > ALso now my ftp/telnet services are playing up, I think this is related > to me tweaking the IP's of the cards during the netboot set-ups :) > > Thanks, as always, for all your help :) > > Cheers, > > Steve > > ========================================= > Steven Doyle. B.Psych.Dip.Ed > School of Communications and Multimedia > Edith Cowan University. Perth. Australia > ========================================= > [e] s.doyle@cowan.edu.au > From sko at apple.com Wed May 19 14:11:45 1999 From: sko at apple.com (Steve Ko) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:10 2005 Subject: NetBooting Message-ID: <199905192112.OAA32006@scv3.apple.com> > I try and install NetBoot stuff, I set the second card (the 100 MB) as > the NetBoot card, I set the built in card as the AppleTalk Seed Router > thing, It sees the IP address of the first card fine, then when it asks > me for the IP of the second card, when I enter its IP, it tells me that > there is a conflict between the built-in card and the second card!!! The NetBoot Server Setup Assistant is enforcing a current limitation of Mac OS X Server: each Ethernet interface must be connected to a different subnet. You cannot configure two Ethernet interfaces as nodes on the same subnet. We probably should have documented this better to avoid the confusion you are experiencing. I'm not certain why this limitation exists. I'll ask the networking folk and see if I can get an explanation as well as a prognosis of when this limitation will be addressed. In the meantime, you can workaround this limitation by simply not using the built-in Ethernet port. Disconnect it from the hub and configure it as inactive for AppleTalk, TCP/IP and NetBoot. Instead, use Ethernet Card Port 1 for everything. Hope this helps! Steve Ko sko@apple.com From herren at flannet.middlebury.edu Thu May 20 05:44:48 1999 From: herren at flannet.middlebury.edu (David Herren) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:10 2005 Subject: NetBooting References: <3742BD86.322084EF@apple.com> Message-ID: jkeenan@apple.com writes: >If you've only got one subnet or zone, then there's no point in using more >than one network interface. I don't think I quite understand this. I've got 5 100 meg ports in our server, and we are on a switched ethernet network. Thus, each pipe could take advantage of a full 100 megs. It seems to me that it would make sense to have my quicktime streaming server using one pipe all by itself, and to have other appleshare activity on another pipe so when a lab full of clients are hitting the appleshare server, streaming video doesn't have to share that single pipe. Except for a really really small shop with no real routers or switches, and using the box to route among subnets, what's the point of multiple ethernet ports then? -- David D. Herren www.cet.middlebury.edu/herren Assoc. Dir. for Tech. & Instruction herren@flannet.middlebury.edu Center for Educational Technology voice: (802)443-5746 5 Court Street, Middlebury, VT 05753 fax: (802)443-2053 From herren at flannet.middlebury.edu Thu May 20 05:50:46 1999 From: herren at flannet.middlebury.edu (David Herren) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:10 2005 Subject: NetBooting References: <199905192112.OAA32006@scv3.apple.com> Message-ID: sko@apple.com writes: >In the meantime, you can workaround this limitation by simply not using the >built-in Ethernet port. Disconnect it from the hub and configure it as >inactive for AppleTalk, TCP/IP and NetBoot. Instead, use Ethernet Card Port >1 for everything. Thanks for the clarification on this--I was beginning to think that I had lost even more of my brain cells than I've been accused of by others.... What does using the card ports "get us"? Are you suggesting that we can use multiple ports on the ethernet card as long as we don't use the built-in? If that's not the case, what advantage does using a single port on the card have over using the single built-in port? -- David D. Herren www.cet.middlebury.edu/herren Assoc. Dir. for Tech. & Instruction herren@flannet.middlebury.edu Center for Educational Technology voice: (802)443-5746 5 Court Street, Middlebury, VT 05753 fax: (802)443-2053 From ystarrev at julian.uwo.ca Thu May 20 05:49:40 1999 From: ystarrev at julian.uwo.ca (Yves Starreveld) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:10 2005 Subject: Booting from a slave drive References: Message-ID: <374404E4.C3D6F741@julian.uwo.ca> Hi, Yesterday we installed a 20G Maxtor drive in a B&W G3, after having already installed OSX Server on the pre-existing ATA drive. Reconfigured so that the new drive was the master, and the original was the slave. Rebooted, and OSX Server booted from the slave drive. Yves Starreveld Image Guided Surgery Lab Robarts Research Institute University of Western Ontario From danilche at cs.umass.edu Thu May 20 06:51:54 1999 From: danilche at cs.umass.edu (Victor Danilchenko) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:10 2005 Subject: NIS problem Message-ID: Hi, I have recently gotten MacOSX/Server, and I have been trying to set it up with NIS by following Apple's instructions at http://til.info.apple.com/techinfo.nsf/artnum/n24895/ I set up everything as per the above document -- edited the hostconfig, and added the lookupd configuration in the NetInfo (we do not have any NetInfo infrastructurew set up -- my system is the first Rhapsody box in the department). When I rebooted to activate the NIS, the system now hangs half-way though -- at the blue&gray 'Mac OS X Server' screen, with the blue bar about exactly hald-way through. I left it that way for the night, to no avail. I tried rebooting with disconnected Ethernet cable, too -- and that did not help. So, my question is twofold: 1) Can anyone tell me how to boot without NetInfo, or some similar thing -- an equivalent of Win95 'Safe mode', or Linux single-user mode? is there some way to restore my box to proper functionality short of re-installing the OS? 2) Any ideas what I did wrong? I did not fiddle with NetInfo setup at all, except to activate NIS, so it should be in default state in all other respects. I HAVE mounted some but not all remote home directories, and some NIS-distributes password entries rely on non-mounted directories, but that should not be a problem, should it? Thanks, -- | Victor Danilchenko * CSCF support * danilche@cs.umass.edu | +-----------------------------------------------------------+ | Those who do not understand recursion are bound to repeat | | their mistakes again and again and again and again... | From jkeenan at apple.com Thu May 20 07:00:46 1999 From: jkeenan at apple.com (Joe Keenan) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:10 2005 Subject: NetBooting References: Message-ID: <3744158C.261D509E@apple.com> David Herren wrote: > Except for a really really small shop with no real routers or switches, and using the box to route among subnets, what's the point of multiple ethernet ports then? Same thing in a large shop with real routers. By having a system with multiple interfaces, you don't have to send all the traffic through the routers. joe From herren at flannet.middlebury.edu Thu May 20 07:12:07 1999 From: herren at flannet.middlebury.edu (David Herren) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:10 2005 Subject: NetBooting References: <3744158C.261D509E@apple.com> Message-ID: jkeenan@apple.com writes: >> Except for a really really small shop with no real routers or switches, and using the box to route among subnets, what's the point of multiple ethernet ports then? >Same thing in a large shop with real routers. By having a system with multiple interfaces, you don't have to send all the traffic through the routers. so does this mean that if a shop is on one switched subnet there is no advantage to having a machine with multiple interfaces? -- David D. Herren www.cet.middlebury.edu/herren Assoc. Dir. for Tech. & Instruction herren@flannet.middlebury.edu Center for Educational Technology voice: (802)443-5746 5 Court Street, Middlebury, VT 05753 fax: (802)443-2053 From gillette at tahc.state.tx.us Thu May 20 07:14:05 1999 From: gillette at tahc.state.tx.us (Keith A. Gillette) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:10 2005 Subject: poppassd for MacOS X Server? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Has anyone gotten a version of poppassd working on MacOS X Server? I've tried compiling a number of them, especially the ones from but I'm not enough of a C programmer to figure out the error messages. Thanks, Keith ______________________________________________________________________ Keith A. Gillette From mvgfr at netcom.com Thu May 20 07:26:14 1999 From: mvgfr at netcom.com (Marc Farnum Rendino) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:10 2005 Subject: NetBooting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 7:18 AM -0700 on 99/05/20, David Herren wrote: >so does this mean that if a shop is on one switched subnet there is >no advantage to having a machine with multiple interfaces? The only advantage to multiple ports (and really, the only way to use multiple ports) is to route (among them) and therefore keep all the traffic from pounding all the networks. You could have a CPU with multiple network ports on the same net, each talking to and listening to everything, but there's virtually no benefit to this. - Marc From aeh at quest.cc.purdue.edu Thu May 20 07:27:37 1999 From: aeh at quest.cc.purdue.edu (Dale Talcott) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:10 2005 Subject: NetBooting In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At 7:42 -0500 5/20/99, David Herren wrote: >jkeenan@apple.com writes: >>If you've only got one subnet or zone, then there's no point in using more >>than one network interface. > >It seems to me that it would make sense to have my quicktime streaming >server using one pipe all by itself, and to have other appleshare activity >on another pipe so when a lab full of clients are hitting the appleshare >server, streaming video doesn't have >to share that single pipe. This would be nice. Unfortunately, the software probably doesn't support it. I don't know about MacOS X specifically, but on most Unix systems, when the kernel needs to send a packet, it searches the list of interfaces for one on the correct subnet. As soon as it finds such an interface, it stops looking. Thus, for a given subnet, outbound packets always use the same interface, no matter how many interfaces might be on that subnet. If you think about the original EtherNet design, this makes sense--an EtherNet LAN is logically a bus, which means only one interface can talk at a time. So, there is no point to more than one interface on the same bus. If one is busy, that keeps the whole bus busy, so any other interfaces are wasted. There are other problems also. Suppose I send a request to the host interface with IP address 1.2.3.4. If I get an answer from 1.2.3.6, I would be foolish to believe it. Now, if every remote client knows that 1.2.3.4 and 1.2.3.6 are multiple interfaces on the same host, then this might work. But there is no mechanism to spread that information. This problem shows up already with hosts that have interfaces on different subnets. What would help is a hardware solution that lets multiple host interfaces connect to a switch hub, but using the same IP address. The switch could round-robin incoming packets among the interfaces. The host kernel would have to do the same thing for outbound packets. So far, it's been simpler to build a faster interface (e.g., FDDI, Gigabit Enet). -- Dale Talcott, Purdue University Computing Center, aeh@quest.cc.purdue.edu From jon at colossus.cs.wits.ac.za Thu May 20 07:51:36 1999 From: jon at colossus.cs.wits.ac.za (John Ostrowick) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:10 2005 Subject: netinfo write failed Message-ID: hi i want to change a user's password, but whether i do a niutil -u theusername -P theclearpasswd or use the netinfomanager GUI tool, i get this error: netinfo write failed! no writes allowed! all objects are read-only how does one fix this? From jkeenan at apple.com Thu May 20 09:06:16 1999 From: jkeenan at apple.com (Joe Keenan) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:10 2005 Subject: netinfo write failed References: Message-ID: <374432F6.BF85852F@apple.com> How are you specifying the NetInfo domain to write to? What's the complete command line you're using? joe John Ostrowick wrote: > hi > > i want to change a user's password, but whether i do a > > niutil -u theusername -P theclearpasswd > > or use the netinfomanager GUI tool, i get this error: > > netinfo write failed! no writes allowed! all objects are read-only > > how does one fix this? From jkeenan at apple.com Thu May 20 09:07:26 1999 From: jkeenan at apple.com (Joe Keenan) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:10 2005 Subject: NetBooting References: Message-ID: <3744333B.5DF73FD7@apple.com> David Herren wrote: > jkeenan@apple.com writes: > >> Except for a really really small shop with no real routers or switches, and using the box to route among subnets, what's the point of multiple ethernet ports then? > > >Same thing in a large shop with real routers. By having a system with multiple interfaces, you don't have to send all the traffic through the routers. > > so does this mean that if a shop is on one switched subnet there is no advantage to having a machine with multiple interfaces? In most cases, probably not. The only case I can think of, for what you're trying to do, is to use one interface for Appletalk traffic, and one for IP traffic. joe From sko at apple.com Thu May 20 09:08:19 1999 From: sko at apple.com (Steve Ko) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:10 2005 Subject: NetBooting Message-ID: <199905201608.JAA38200@scv2.apple.com> > Are you suggesting that we can use multiple ports on the ethernet card as > long as we don't use the built-in? No. There is nothing special about the built-in port. Sorry if I implied this. You can use multiple ports, but each must be configured to reside on a different subnet. > so does this mean that if a shop is on one switched subnet there is > no advantage to having a machine with multiple interfaces? Unfortunately, yes. See Dale Talcott's message for an explanation. He seems to know what he's talking about. Steve Ko sko@apple.com From bartosh at apple.tamu.edu Thu May 20 09:13:17 1999 From: bartosh at apple.tamu.edu (Michael bartosh) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:10 2005 Subject: NetBooting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 7:37 AM -0700 5/20/99, Marc Farnum Rendino wrote: >At 7:18 AM -0700 on 99/05/20, David Herren wrote: > > >>so does this mean that if a shop is on one switched subnet there is >>no advantage to having a machine with multiple interfaces? > >The only advantage to multiple ports (and really, the only way to >use multiple ports) is to route (among them) and therefore keep all >the traffic from pounding all the networks. > >You could have a CPU with multiple network ports on the same net, >each talking to and listening to everything, but there's virtually >no benefit to this. > >- Marc OK- at my school we're planning to use 1 port on the OSXS machine to set up a private network and mirror filesystems to one of those cheap-o new sparq's (well, after we put a scsi card in it). I didn't really see why it shouldn't work, but with all this traffic concerning multiple enet ports, I thought I'd ask. -mab From jkeenan at apple.com Thu May 20 09:45:54 1999 From: jkeenan at apple.com (Joe Keenan) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:10 2005 Subject: NetBooting References: Message-ID: <37443C3D.E9655D28@apple.com> Michael bartosh wrote: > OK- at my school we're planning to use 1 port on the OSXS machine to > set up a private network and mirror filesystems to one of those > cheap-o new sparq's (well, after we put a scsi card in it). > > I didn't really see why it shouldn't work, but with all this traffic > concerning multiple enet ports, I thought I'd ask. > As long as it's really a different network (I assume you're planning on using a 192.168.x.y network), then it should work as planned. joe From wchin at acm.org Thu May 20 10:08:44 1999 From: wchin at acm.org (Bill Chin) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:10 2005 Subject: NetBooting Message-ID: <199905201612.MAA30719@mail.richmond.net> Joe Keenan wrote: > David Herren wrote: > > > Except for a really really small shop with no real routers or switches, and using > the box to route among subnets, what's the point of multiple ethernet ports then? > > Same thing in a large shop with real routers. By having a system with multiple > interfaces, you don't have to send all the traffic through the routers. Hi, Joe! I'm wondering if it is possible for the server to think that a network is subnetted further than a Class C and for the clients to be configured for a Class C? An example: Assume a Class C subnet, 10.0.0.0-255. The server and all the clients are connected via a switch, and one Internet connection via a router doing IP/NAT at 10.0.0.1. Normally, everyone has a 255.255.255.0 subnet mask and the server serves everyone through a single ethernet port. Not confusion there. Okay. What if we set up the server with two ethernet ports and two IP addresses... but in two different subnets. We set up one ethernet port to be 10.0.0.10 with a subnet mask of 255.255.255.128 and another ethernet port with 10.0.0.130 with a subnet mask of 255.255.255.128. We leave the clients with a 255.255.255.0 subnet. As far as the clients are concerned, there are two machines, one at .10 and another at .130. They still directly go through the router at 10.0.0.1, but split going into the server depending on which "subnet" they are on. The clients would obviously have to be configured to only access the proper IP address for the server. This way, internet router traffic won't bother the server at all. Would this work? If it does, then we should get some performance increase over a single NIC solution when working with a switch. ..Bill -- Bill Chin (NeXTmail/MIME accepted) From herren at flannet.middlebury.edu Thu May 20 10:18:58 1999 From: herren at flannet.middlebury.edu (David Herren) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:10 2005 Subject: netinfo write failed References: <374432F6.BF85852F@apple.com> Message-ID: jkeenan@apple.com writes: >How are you specifying the NetInfo domain to write to? What's the complete >command line you're using? >joe >John Ostrowick wrote: >> hi >> >> i want to change a user's password, but whether i do a >> >> niutil -u theusername -P theclearpasswd >> >> or use the netinfomanager GUI tool, i get this error: >> >> netinfo write failed! no writes allowed! all objects are read-only >> >> how does one fix this? For whatever reason, in our environment, ANY network user created on a MacOSX Server box using NetworkManager.app will be unable to change their password either at the command line or using the GUI tools. We noticed that if the user were created using an OpenStep 4.2 box then those users COULD change their passwords. Turns out that NetworkManager.app is failing to create a necessary record in the netinfo database. You can hand create it by: 1- opening NetinfoManager.app 2- make sure you're looking at the root domain, and select the user in question 3- select "New Property" from the Directory menu 4- name the property _writers_passwd 5- select "New Value" from the "Directory" menu 6- double click and type the user's username as the new value 7- save the record. Now the user can change his/her password. -- David D. Herren www.cet.middlebury.edu/herren Assoc. Dir. for Tech. & Instruction herren@flannet.middlebury.edu Center for Educational Technology voice: (802)443-5746 5 Court Street, Middlebury, VT 05753 fax: (802)443-2053 From jkeenan at apple.com Thu May 20 10:18:28 1999 From: jkeenan at apple.com (Joe Keenan) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:10 2005 Subject: NetBooting References: <199905201612.MAA30719@mail.richmond.net> Message-ID: <374443DD.A6541528@apple.com> Bill Chin wrote: > I'm wondering if it is possible for the server to think that a > network is subnetted further than a Class C and for the clients to be > configured for a Class C? An example: I was wondering when someone would bring this up. > Assume a Class C subnet, 10.0.0.0-255. The server and all the > clients are connected via a switch, and one Internet connection via a > router doing IP/NAT at 10.0.0.1. Normally, everyone has a > 255.255.255.0 subnet mask and the server serves everyone through a > single ethernet port. Not confusion there. > > Okay. What if we set up the server with two ethernet ports and two > IP addresses... but in two different subnets. We set up one ethernet > port to be 10.0.0.10 with a subnet mask of 255.255.255.128 and > another ethernet port with 10.0.0.130 with a subnet mask of > 255.255.255.128. We leave the clients with a 255.255.255.0 subnet. As > far as the clients are concerned, there are two machines, one at .10 > and another at .130. They still directly go through the router at > 10.0.0.1, but split going into the server depending on which "subnet" > they are on. The clients would obviously have to be configured to > only access the proper IP address for the server. This way, internet > router traffic won't bother the server at all. > > Would this work? You might have a problem with broadcasts. If a client does a broadcast to 10.0.0.255, the server isn't likely to recognize it on the 10.0.0.10 port (it's looking for 10.0.0.127). The .130 port will recognize it. A broadcast to 255.255.255.255 will get recognized on both ports, and might cause duplicate handling. Like two DHCP responses. I don't think you'll have any problems with non-broadcast traffic. But I haven't actually tried any of this with MacOS X Server, so I can't swear to it. The only spare PCI ethernet card I had lying around isn't supported on this OS. I guess I need to go find a supported one. > If it does, then we should get some performance increase over a > single NIC solution when working with a switch. I think you're better off subclassing for real, and using a router (or the MacOS X S box as a router) for the crossover traffic. joe From sko at apple.com Thu May 20 11:04:38 1999 From: sko at apple.com (Steve Ko) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:10 2005 Subject: NIS problem Message-ID: <199905201804.LAA35090@scv2.apple.com> > 1) Can anyone tell me how to boot without NetInfo, or some similar thing > -- an equivalent of Win95 'Safe mode', or Linux single-user mode? is > there some way to restore my box to proper functionality short of > re-installing the OS? To boot into single-user mode, hold down the 's' key while the computer is starting up. > 2) Any ideas what I did wrong? I did not fiddle with NetInfo setup at > all, except to activate NIS, so it should be in default state in all > other respects. I HAVE mounted some but not all remote home > directories, and some NIS-distributes password entries rely on > non-mounted directories, but that should not be a problem, should it? Try booting in verbose mode by holding down the 'v' key while the computer is starting up. In verbose mode, you should be able to determine what the system is trying to do when it hangs. Report this information back to the list and we'll go from there. Steve Ko sko@apple.com From JParedes at UH.EDU Thu May 20 13:52:10 1999 From: JParedes at UH.EDU (Jose L Paredes) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:10 2005 Subject: Sharing Disks Message-ID: I know this answer is there somewhere but silly me can't find it in the TIL. How do I share a disk on my MacOS X server thru the chooser -that is if I log from a Mac how can I see an external disk with mac files on the OS X server? I know there is a simple answer for this, but today I'm just having a crappy day :). Two atoms walk into a bar. The one says to the other, "I lost an electron today." The other says, "Are you sure?" The first atom says, "Yes. I'm positive." Jose Luis Paredes - Physicist by Choice Office: (713)743-1575 Remote Facility Supervisor Fax: (713)743-1569 Central Site Lab JParedes@UH.edu Information Technology Customer Services http://www.uh.edu/~jparedes U N I V E R S I T Y O F H O U S T O N From JParedes at UH.EDU Thu May 20 14:35:15 1999 From: JParedes at UH.EDU (Jose L Paredes) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:10 2005 Subject: Sharing Disks In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 1:55 PM -0700 5/20/99, Jose L Paredes wrote: > I know this answer is there somewhere but silly me can't find >it in the TIL. How do I share a disk on my MacOS X server thru the >chooser -that is if I log from a Mac how can I see an external disk >with mac files on the OS X server? > I know there is a simple answer for this, but today I'm just >having a crappy day :). > Doh .. I figured it out - and it was simple. Two atoms walk into a bar. The one says to the other, "I lost an electron today." The other says, "Are you sure?" The first atom says, "Yes. I'm positive." Jose Luis Paredes - Physicist by Choice Office: (713)743-1575 Remote Facility Supervisor Fax: (713)743-1569 Central Site Lab JParedes@UH.edu Information Technology Customer Services http://www.uh.edu/~jparedes U N I V E R S I T Y O F H O U S T O N From bradyt at choiceconnect.com.au Thu May 20 15:25:48 1999 From: bradyt at choiceconnect.com.au (Terry Brady) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:10 2005 Subject: NetBooting Message-ID: <199905202225.IAA13483@atlas.bit.net.au> I've been following this thread with interest, and now that we've got some Apple folks participating I'd like to bring up a topic which got my attention a few months ago. Newer ethernet switches such as those from 3Com have a facility called "link aggregation" in which multiple ethernet interfaces are treated as a single high-performance connection. This obviously requires some special support either in the NIC or the host OS. What is the likelihood of this feature coming to MOSX(S) in the short- to medium-term? Regards, Terry Brady --------------------------------------------- Technical Services Officer Choice Connections Brisbane http://choiceconnect.com.au/ Information technology solutions for business, goverment, publishing and education. From el_bandito at platform.net Thu May 20 15:31:26 1999 From: el_bandito at platform.net (John Lianoglou) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:10 2005 Subject: PHP References: <199905200007.RAA05202@ignem.omnigroup.com> Message-ID: <37448D2E.DB4CA308@platform.net> Has anyone out there ever heard of any successful installations of PHP3 on MacOS X? We're trying to dump our wintell box running linux in favor a new blue and white running OS X; PHP is the deciding factor here! =) thanks, John john@platform.net code & graphics PLATFORM NETWORK From Olivier.Saut at dptmaths.ens-cachan.fr Thu May 20 15:43:56 1999 From: Olivier.Saut at dptmaths.ens-cachan.fr (Olivier Saut) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:10 2005 Subject: PHP Message-ID: <199905202243.AAA01461@marid.crans.ens-cachan.fr> > From: el_bandito@platform.net (John Lianoglou) > > Has anyone out there ever heard of any successful installations of PHP3 on MacOS > X? We're trying to dump our wintell box running linux in favor a new blue and white > running OS X; PHP is the deciding factor here! =) > > thanks, > John > >From Stepwise : Regards, -- Olivier From eike at orang.org Thu May 20 16:58:35 1999 From: eike at orang.org (eike@orang.org) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:11 2005 Subject: How can I limit the bluebox to less REAL memory? Message-ID: <9905210158.AA350975@moon> What can be done so that the bluebox assumes less REAL memory (i.e. does not take over all real RAM but only 1/2 of it?) like "wish I had" only 1/2 of RAM ... Is there a cool gestalt manager out there that can do such things? or how can it be set in pram or patched to the mac.app? any cool dwrites? ~eike ------ What is a computer? A stupid machine that only knows two states (power on/power off) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/enriched Size: 476 bytes Desc: not available Url : /mailman/archive/macosx-admin/attachments/19990521/eef88c7a/attachment.bin From chongt at dragon.apj.bah.com Thu May 20 19:58:34 1999 From: chongt at dragon.apj.bah.com (Tim Chong) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:11 2005 Subject: Only 90.86 (112) M available outta 224M?? Message-ID: <199905210258.KAA00661@dragon.apj.bah.com> Can someone mind explaining to me about how memort works under Mach? Why is the avilable memory =90.86M when I have 224M? Thanks, TC PS. Here's something from my log file /var/log/system.log: [blah blah blah] >May 21 10:48:57 dragon mach_kernel: Kernel Release 5.4: >May 21 10:48:57 dragon mach_kernel: Tue Apr 6 15:13:17 PDT 1999; root(rcbuilder):Objects/kernel-154.8.obj~2/RELEASE_PPC >May 21 10:48:57 dragon mach_kernel: Copyright (c) 1988-1995,1997-1999 Apple Computer, Inc. All Rights Reserved. >May 21 10:48:57 dragon mach_kernel: >May 21 10:48:57 dragon mach_kernel: MACH microkernel is booting on a Power Macintosh POWERSURGE class machine >May 21 10:48:57 dragon mach_kernel: CPU Frequency: 180000000 Hz >May 21 10:48:57 dragon mach_kernel: BUS Frequency: 45000000 Hz >May 21 10:48:57 dragon mach_kernel: mem_size = 224 M >May 21 10:48:57 dragon mach_kernel: hash table factor is 1 >May 21 10:48:57 dragon mach_kernel: physical memory = 224.00 megabytes. >May 21 10:48:57 dragon mach_kernel: using 28736 buffers containing 112.00 megabytes of memory >May 21 10:48:57 dragon mach_kernel: available memory = 90.86 megabytes. vm_page_free_count = 5ade >May 21 10:48:57 dragon mach_kernel: minimum quantum is 10 ms [blah blah blah] -- Tim Chong CSE/SIngapore, CS&T-BAH ACSII | MIME | NeXTmail | SunMail OK! GSM: +65-96722153 From wchin at acm.org Thu May 20 20:17:15 1999 From: wchin at acm.org (Bill Chin) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:11 2005 Subject: Only 90.86 (112) M available outta 224M?? Message-ID: <199905210220.WAA05409@mail.richmond.net> Tim Chong wrote: > Can someone mind explaining to me about how memort works under Mach? > Why is the avilable memory =90.86M when I have 224M? You have AppleFileSharing or QuickTimeStreaming enabled. The server automatically sets SERVER=-YES- in the /etc/hostconfig file and half your RAM get allocated to system mbufs. This help speed up the machine for serving files and movies. However, if your machine is intented only as a "light" server and you want to use it as a workstation that happens to serve some stuff, comment out the section on "Tuning" in /etc/hostconfig and only leave the SERVER=-NO- uncommented (in the Tuning section only!). Ie. # Tuning #if [ "${AFPSERVER}" = "-YES-" ] || # [ "${QTSSERVER}" = "-YES-" ]; then # SERVER=-YES- #else SERVER=-NO- #fi You'll need to reboot, and it will probably reboot again on it own when it detects that a change to the settings has occured (and thus has to write it to NVRAM). There have been some messages on this list about setting custom memory buffer sizes. Search the archives on www.omnigroup.com. This has nothing to do with Mach VM semantics per se. If you really want to know about how Mach works with virtual memory, read Apple's Mach kernel documentation on the Developer documentation web site or the book, "Programming under Mach." ..Bill Chin -- Bill Chin (NeXTmail/MIME accepted) From list.macosx-admin at tandb.com.au Thu May 20 20:32:19 1999 From: list.macosx-admin at tandb.com.au (T&B) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:11 2005 Subject: Apache logs disappeared Message-ID: <9716815.3136282339@[203.57.42.199]> I haven't had Apache crash since I edited out the rotate logs commands in the apache.conf file. That's the good news. The current log is simply apache_access_log. Prior to stopping rotate logs, we already had a dozen or so apache logs with serial suffixes. They were still around after the change, but when I checked today, they have gone. Where? What process does this? If deleted, can I undelete them? Thanks, Tom T&B http://www.tandb.com.au/osxserver/ From kc at omnigroup.com Thu May 20 23:11:30 1999 From: kc at omnigroup.com (Ken Case) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:11 2005 Subject: Ports of Quake 3 Test client, Glide(tm), and MesaGL Message-ID: <199905210611.XAA20739@ignem.omnigroup.com> I've released our port of the Quake 3 Test client (at http://www.omnigroup.com/Software/Quake3/), along with our ports of Glide(tm) and MesaGL (at http://www.omnigroup.com/Software/Glide/). Enjoy! Ken From sanguish at digifix.com Fri May 21 00:18:22 1999 From: sanguish at digifix.com (Scott Anguish) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:11 2005 Subject: SWSignature 1.3.2 released (gee, thanks Ken!) Message-ID: <199905210715.DAA17915@digifix.com> so Ken Case sends out this groovy message about releasing Q3Test for Mac OS X Server... And has he revels in his glory of making such a wickedly cool announcement, I'm stuck releasing a dot release of SWSignature as a result... :-) I figure doing this will avoid the flood of complaints.. Ken's message pointed out a bug in the urlification of SWSignature.. Normally to find the end of an URL, I scan till there is whitespace (or a line break) and then back up any bad characters that are unlikely to be at the end of an URL (including commas and periods). This works fine in all the cases I've found so far, but Ken's message points out the case where an URL is in brackets immediately preceeding a comma and a period. So I made a small adjustment, recompiled and hopefully that will fix the problem... (although I'm not 100% on that... it might cause more problems) If you see problems, please do let me know. SWSignature 1.3.2 is available from http://www.stepwise.com/Software/MailViewer/index.html Thanks Scott -- Scott Anguish Middlebury College - Center for Educational Technology Stepwise Server - Mac OS X Server Information From mjwise at kapu.net Fri May 21 01:33:29 1999 From: mjwise at kapu.net (Michael J Wise) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:11 2005 Subject: Apache logs disappeared In-Reply-To: <9716815.3136282339@[203.57.42.199]> Message-ID: On Thu, 20 May 1999, T&B wrote: > I haven't had Apache crash since I edited out the rotate logs commands > in the apache.conf file. That's the good news. Thinking it's possibly a locking problem of some sort now. Continuing research.... > The current log is simply apache_access_log. Prior to stopping rotate > logs, we already had a dozen or so apache logs with serial suffixes. > They were still around after the change, but when I checked today, they > have gone. Where? To the land where files are eternally blessed! > What process does this? Crontab the magnificent. Check /etc/crontab > If deleted, can I undelete them? My guess, no. Aloha mai Nai`a! -- "Please have your Internet License http://kapu.net/~mjwise/ and Usenet Registration handy..." From mik.ayre at unn.ac.uk Fri May 21 05:59:21 1999 From: mik.ayre at unn.ac.uk (Mik Ayre) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:11 2005 Subject: UPS for OSX Server Message-ID: <21BFA7DA7D79D211B24400805F0D6AAF1DE6BF@chuck.unn.ac.uk> Hi all I am new to this list and have been lurking in the background just watching and listening. Although OSX was launched in the UK a few weeks ago I have yet to receive a shrink-wrapped copy to play with . My initial question is does anybody know of a UPS solution that has software that will run on OSX and allow auto shutdown in the event of power failure ? Mik. ************************************************** mik.ayre@unn.ac.uk http://www.unn.ac.uk/~vpx6/mik Macintosh Systems Development Zone1 University of Northumbria at Newcastle 0191 227 4656 ************************************************** Wintel error message: no keyboard press F1 to continue From jvandela at jvandel2.nrel.gov Fri May 21 07:48:17 1999 From: jvandela at jvandel2.nrel.gov (Jao van de Lagemaat) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:11 2005 Subject: Apache logs disappeared Message-ID: <199905211448.IAA02122@jvandel2.nrel.gov> > I haven't had Apache crash since I edited out the rotate logs commands in the > apache.conf file. That's the good news. Are you sure the parent process is not dying, and you do not notice it since the apache children keep on serving? > The current log is simply apache_access_log. Prior to stopping rotate logs, we > already had a dozen or so apache logs with serial suffixes. They were still around > after the change, but when I checked today, they have gone. Where? What process > does this? If deleted, can I undelete them? The bad news: you cannot get them back.. The good news: there is a script in /etc/daily that deletes automatic logfiles older than several days. It is at the end where it says : echo -n "Cleaning web server log files:" This will not touch non-rotatelog files. Greetings, Jao From cvoelker at real-net.de Fri May 21 08:36:10 1999 From: cvoelker at real-net.de (Christian Voelker) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:11 2005 Subject: Installing on S900: one step further Message-ID: Heaven! Did this: changed the OFtc ressource in System disk so that one pair of values maches my machine: MachineKind is the value reported by OF under when typing . It is AAPL,???? in the case of the S900/Umax Pulsar. It is that easy, but: Im not finsihed yet. Please: Can you give me a detailed explanation of the boot process? I have put some questions together about everything I want to know in the last paragraph. The machine starts from CD now. System disk doesnt complain any more that this is an unsupported machine. I set my values (notably output dev as explained earlier in this list). Bad enough that you dont get a hint, whether the values are actually set when you hit save, not even a , but you can go to and pull the menue on top once (it contains only one item). Then, system disk reads back from nvram; so, you can see the actual settings. After that starting the installer as usual with its many continue buttons. The installer then launches the unmodified system disk from cd that doesnt modify anything in nvram because it doesnt recognize the machine. Then, it restarts and now I cann see the little spinning icon on the splash screen. But, it stops turning after, lets say a minute. The screen displays still . I havent heard any access to hard disk until that point. Formatting has not yet begun. The label is still the same ( or the like in MacOS 8.x in the appropriate installer screen). The CD stops turning. This is the same whether there are other disks on the bus (the destination disk, the MacOS 8.x disk) or not, whether the destination disk is on the external bus or whether I take the CD600i or the 12Plex. The only difference between the two CD drives is, that the 12Plex takes a bit more time to start up and thus produces about 5 or 10 can?t OPEN or can?t LOAD messages in the OF boot screen before the splash screen appears. ATI card in the first slot is the only PCI card installed and external serial devices are detached. There are noticable differences between the 9500 and the S900 BTW. The 9500 has two independent bandit chips each of them controlling three PCI-slots. The S900 has only one bandit and there is a PCI-bridge attached to it that controls the last three slots. I Think this might be a reason why video professionals still prefer the 9500. There were two aliases defined in OF that do not correspond to anything present in the machine. This made me turning in a circle for some time. The first one is the vci0 which stands for the internal video controller /chaos@F0 00 00 00, which seems to be present in the 8x00 for example, but neither in the 9500 nor in the S900. The other is bandit@F4 00 00 00, which is really a second chip not only another adress space used by bandit. It is not present in the S900, only in the original Apple machine. I was yet learning to read FCode (the language of OF), to understand the things found in System Disks OFpt ressources and it was very hard for me. I understood that this is by far more complex than the simple lines found in bootvars nvramrc-field (there are several lines, you have to copy them to read them all). In System disk, every second or third line begins with a column, defining a new very short shortcut for a complex operation. The code itself looks very neat, consisting only of single signs. I understood the part where they start the keyboard and display the option and that they prepare the ethernet interfce for network install or netboot at least (loading tftp-protocol and registering the mac-adress as a property) but everything else... Now, Im happy that I came so far with the help from all of you -the last week it was especially Ren? van Amerongen who stood in touch and had many good ideas- but the show must go on. I think Im facing very usual install trouble now. The biggest thing is that Ive never seen a successful installation or at least a successful system start. I need a very detailed explanation of what happens during start up step by step to determine what is going wrong now. In MacOS 8.x this would sound as follows: Start chime. (Hardware failure makes a different chord. this might be something misconnected, ram or other. Screen may be all black with an inverted sadmac and two hex codes beyond). Silence for some moment. Hear disk spinning up and then disk access. Screen comes up with a dashboard pattern. Corners become rounded and the pointer shows up in the upper left corner. Small b/w happy mac icon appears (If no system disk is found, there is a floppy with a blinking question mark displayed instead. At this point all onboard hardware is ok, only scuzzy configuration might be affected. Damaged disk driver or System folder being more likely). Screen depth is set and the Splash screen appears showing >extensions disabled> if the shift key is detected. the progress bar in the splash screen appears and the custom background appears. Icons begin to march from the bottom left corner to the right. Extensions folder content in alphabetical order first, then control panels. The splash screen disappears. The menue bar appears without menues. The system dsik is mounted and appears at the upper right corner. Desktop documents appear as related to the system disk. menues appear but are not yet fully functional (short apple menue) other disk are mounted and there desktop docs are displayed. Starup folder items are started in order of appearance. Menues completed. It could be done even more detailed, but you all know that for legacy MacOSes. I dont know this for MacOS X and you might tell me. When does the formatting of the destination disk begin? Is the system started up completely before? Are there other messages than to follow? Which? Is there also a progress bar? Are there icons or something else shown for the services started? Which services are started by default? Well, just tell me everything you see and hear, maybe feel during system boot. Ok? Thnak you, Christian Dipl.-ing. Christian V?lker Burgunderstra?e 30 36039 Fulda-Bernhards Fon +49-661-962 64 60 Fax +49-661-962 64 69 From jray at postoffice.ag.ohio-state.edu Fri May 21 09:10:04 1999 From: jray at postoffice.ag.ohio-state.edu (John Ray) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:11 2005 Subject: [Quake 2 support?] Ports of Quake 3 Test client, Glide(tm), and MesaGL Message-ID: By any chance does this mean that Quake II will also inherit voodoo support? I've just spent the last week migrating a billion (yes, an entire billion) accounts from an old OpenStep machine and am itching to put the Voodoo 2 card that just happens to be resting in our OS X Server to work. --- John From lottj at millbrookprinting.com Fri May 21 09:44:53 1999 From: lottj at millbrookprinting.com (Justin Lott) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:11 2005 Subject: UPS for OSX Server In-Reply-To: <21BFA7DA7D79D211B24400805F0D6AAF1DE6BF@chuck.unn.ac.uk> Message-ID: Ive been looking and havent found anything yet. APC sells versions of its PowerChute software for SCO, NCR, Solaris, SunOS, AIX, Unixware, SINIX/RM, Olivetti, UNISYS, and DEC.... Im sure it wouldnt be too hard for someone who knows to make this work under OSX...In the mean time, we should get on the phone with APC and tell them we want a port ASAP. >Hi all >I am new to this list and have been lurking in the background just watching >and listening. Although OSX was launched in the UK a few weeks ago I have >yet to receive a shrink-wrapped copy to play with . > My initial question is does anybody know of a UPS solution that has >software that will run on OSX and allow auto shutdown in the event of power >failure ? >Mik. From twilcox at verity.com Fri May 21 10:10:41 1999 From: twilcox at verity.com (Terry Wilcox) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:11 2005 Subject: UPS for OSX Server Message-ID: <021f01bea3ac$db348ff0$3f5aa8c0@verity.com> Isn't it going to be tough to use a smart UPS to shutdown MacOS X Server without serial port support? The UPS needs some way to tell the computer to shutdown. I've seen UPS's that work over USB, but how is MacOS X's USB support right now? Terry Wilcox twilcox@verity.com From: Justin Lott >Im sure it wouldnt be too hard for someone who knows to make this work >under OSX...In the mean time, we should get on the phone with APC and tell >them we want a port ASAP. >> My initial question is does anybody know of a UPS solution that has >>software that will run on OSX and allow auto shutdown in the event of power >>failure ? From lottj at millbrookprinting.com Fri May 21 11:28:43 1999 From: lottj at millbrookprinting.com (Justin Lott) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:11 2005 Subject: UPS for OSX Server In-Reply-To: <021f01bea3ac$db348ff0$3f5aa8c0@verity.com> Message-ID: Unless serial over ADB can work (dunno) were stuck with USB or some other forthcoming solution.... However, if you have any other machines hooked to the UPS that do support autoshutdown (as we do), im sure something could be set up to have them message the OSX box when performing an autoshutdown and have it do the same... question is, how to get the OSX box to power back up... >Isn't it going to be tough to use a smart UPS to shutdown MacOS X Server >without serial port support? The UPS needs some way to tell the computer to >shutdown. > >I've seen UPS's that work over USB, but how is MacOS X's USB support right >now? > >Terry Wilcox >twilcox@verity.com > > >From: Justin Lott >>Im sure it wouldnt be too hard for someone who knows to make this work >>under OSX...In the mean time, we should get on the phone with APC and tell >>them we want a port ASAP. > > >>> My initial question is does anybody know of a UPS solution that has >>>software that will run on OSX and allow auto shutdown in the event of >power >>>failure ? Justin Lott Systems Engineer Millbrook Printing Company 3540 West Jefferson Highway Grand Ledge, MI 48837-9750 P: 517-627-4078 ext.1213 F: 517-627-0267 http://www.millbrookprinting.com/ From twilcox at verity.com Fri May 21 11:49:11 1999 From: twilcox at verity.com (Terry Wilcox) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:11 2005 Subject: UPS for OSX Server Message-ID: <028101bea3ba$9da8ea10$3f5aa8c0@verity.com> From: Justin Lott >Unless serial over ADB can work (dunno) were stuck with USB or some other >forthcoming solution.... This raises an interesting question. With USB modems proliferating, how do you hook up a tty to USB? >question is, how to get the OSX box to power back up... Very true. How does the power button on an iMac's USB keyboard work? Could you duplicate the signal with another USB device? Terry Wilcox twilcox@verity.com From kurt at beelinegroup.com Fri May 21 11:58:50 1999 From: kurt at beelinegroup.com (Kurt Harvey) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:11 2005 Subject: UPS for OSX Server Message-ID: <1284809367-21573037@beelinegroup.com> >Unless serial over ADB can work (dunno) were stuck with USB or some other >forthcoming solution.... > >However, if you have any other machines hooked to the UPS that do support >autoshutdown (as we do), im sure something could be set up to have them >message the OSX box when performing an autoshutdown and have it do the >same... > >question is, how to get the OSX box to power back up... hmmmm, if one were to boot into OS 8 first, say on a dual boot machine, open the Energy Saver Control Panel and set the Preferences to auto-boot after power failiure, then reboot into OS X server would that setting still apply if the machine was last running OS X Server? I presume its in PRAM...comments? >>Isn't it going to be tough to use a smart UPS to shutdown MacOS X Server >>without serial port support? The UPS needs some way to tell the computer to >>shutdown. >> >>I've seen UPS's that work over USB, but how is MacOS X's USB support right >>now? >> >>Terry Wilcox >>twilcox@verity.com >> >> >>From: Justin Lott >>>Im sure it wouldnt be too hard for someone who knows to make this work >>>under OSX...In the mean time, we should get on the phone with APC and tell >>>them we want a port ASAP. >> >> >>>> My initial question is does anybody know of a UPS solution that has >>>>software that will run on OSX and allow auto shutdown in the event of >>power >>>>failure ? > > >Justin Lott >Systems Engineer >Millbrook Printing Company >3540 West Jefferson Highway >Grand Ledge, MI 48837-9750 >P: 517-627-4078 ext.1213 >F: 517-627-0267 >http://www.millbrookprinting.com/ > > From nriley at staff.feldberg.brandeis.edu Fri May 21 12:18:05 1999 From: nriley at staff.feldberg.brandeis.edu (Nicholas Riley) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:11 2005 Subject: avoiding email warning message? Message-ID: <19990521151805.A2521@staff.feldberg.brandeis.edu> Well, I finally got my machine back from Apple. I hope that hard disk problem I reported last time is gone! Now I'm trying to set up MailViewer. My Mac OS X Server machine is called 'buster'. It's behind a NAT setup so it doesn't have an externally visible IP address. I was able to get it to send a valid address by entering the name of the NAT box into "my official domain name" (Dj) in /etc/sendmail.cf. I got MailViewer to put in a valid From: address and everything seems to be ok, except for a rather annoying pause: [buster:/etc] root# tail /var/log/mail.log ... log log ... May 21 15:07:50 buster sendmail[932]: My unqualified host name (buster) unknown; sleeping for retry May 21 15:08:50 buster sendmail[932]: unable to qualify my own domain name (buster) -- using short name ... mail sent ... The 1-minute delay is sort of annoying. If this were a regular unix box I should be able to satisfy it by putting 'buster' in /etc/hosts, but this doesn't work in the NetInfo world. Any idea how I can either 1) get the canonical name to do the right thing, given that I don't want to rename my machine, or 2) get sendmail to skip this really annoying 1 minute delay? Thanks, -- Nicholas Riley From twilcox at verity.com Fri May 21 12:21:22 1999 From: twilcox at verity.com (Terry Wilcox) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:11 2005 Subject: UPS for OSX Server Message-ID: <02ae01bea3bf$1c88a1f0$3f5aa8c0@verity.com> From: Kurt Harvey >>question is, how to get the OSX box to power back up... >hmmmm, if one were to boot into OS 8 first, say on a dual boot machine, >open the Energy Saver Control Panel and set the Preferences to auto-boot >after power failiure, then reboot into OS X server would that setting >still apply if the machine was last running OS X Server? I presume its in >PRAM...comments? That works fine on my MacOS X box if I yank the power cord or something similar, but if I shutdown, the box doesn't know there was a power failure and doesn't reboot until I tell it to. In other words, the only way to get it to reboot automatically is to avoid shutting down properly. I hope a workable solution shows up soon, I need to roll out a production server in a few months. Terry Wilcox twilcox@verity.com From lottj at millbrookprinting.com Fri May 21 12:26:48 1999 From: lottj at millbrookprinting.com (Justin Lott) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:11 2005 Subject: UPS for OSX Server In-Reply-To: <1284809367-21573037@beelinegroup.com> Message-ID: >hmmmm, if one were to boot into OS 8 first, say on a dual boot machine, >open the Energy Saver Control Panel and set the Preferences to auto-boot >after power failiure, then reboot into OS X server would that setting >still apply if the machine was last running OS X Server? I presume its in >PRAM...comments? Thats a very interesting question....However, there are two problems with this: 1. In order for Energy Saver to restart the computer (assuming that will even work) there has to be a power outage (i.e. the machine does not shut down properly). This would not happen with a UPS + autoshutdown software. 2. If the computer didnt shut down properly, we are back to the original problem of file system corruption in the event of a power outage. From dick at elfi.com Fri May 21 14:27:08 1999 From: dick at elfi.com (Dick Benster) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:11 2005 Subject: avoiding email warning message? Message-ID: <199905212127.OAA15053@elfi.com> Nicholas, I got bit by this too in a less complex configuration. Please bear in mind that I am NOT at all expert in sendmail and network configuration, so if it's not appropriate for what you're doing, my apologies, but the below got things going for me. The sendmail version distributed on MacOSX Server requires that your entry in /etc/hosts for your host (here buster) be fully "qualified", that is, explicit. So fill it out with the whole domain name in /etc/hosts: instead of 1.2.3.4 buster put in 1.2.3.4 buster.mydomain.com buster (obviously substituting your real domain name for mydomain.com, the second entry is the local alias). After writing out the modified /etc/hosts, restart sendmail. I wish we had NAT on MacOSX Server (anybody know how to do that ???) - I need it to keep from having to lease another 4 IPs from my ISP. Dick Benster Begin forwarded message: > From: Nicholas Riley > Date: 1999-05-21 13:32:24 -0700 > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: avoiding email warning message? > X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i > X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0 -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas > Originator: macosx-admin@omnigroup.com > X-Comment: To unsubscribe, follow directions at > http://www.omnigroup.com/MailArchive/ > > Well, I finally got my machine back from Apple. I hope that hard disk > problem I reported last time is gone! > > Now I'm trying to set up MailViewer. My Mac OS X Server machine is > called 'buster'. It's behind a NAT setup so it doesn't have an > externally visible IP address. I was able to get it to send a valid > address by entering the name of the NAT box into "my official domain > name" (Dj) in /etc/sendmail.cf. I got MailViewer to put in a valid > From: address and everything seems to be ok, except for a rather > annoying pause: > > [buster:/etc] root# tail /var/log/mail.log > ... log log ... > May 21 15:07:50 buster sendmail[932]: My unqualified host name > (buster) unknown; sleeping for retry > May 21 15:08:50 buster sendmail[932]: unable to qualify my own domain > name (buster) -- using short name > ... mail sent ... > > The 1-minute delay is sort of annoying. If this were a regular unix > box I should be able to satisfy it by putting 'buster' in /etc/hosts, > but this doesn't work in the NetInfo world. Any idea how I can either > 1) get the canonical name to do the right thing, given that I don't > want to rename my machine, or 2) get sendmail to skip this really > annoying 1 minute delay? > > Thanks, > > -- > Nicholas Riley > > > From sanguish at digifix.com Fri May 21 14:35:54 1999 From: sanguish at digifix.com (Scott Anguish) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:11 2005 Subject: Apache logs disappeared In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <199905212135.RAA21427@digifix.com> Michael J Wise wrote: > > I haven't had Apache crash since I edited out the rotate logs commands > > in the apache.conf file. That's the good news. > > Thinking it's possibly a locking problem of some sort now. Continuing > research.... One point that I had been told by the guys who found the lookupd problem is that if you have the same IP address in the blue box and Mac OS X Server, Apache will die. Not sure if it is significant or not.. From sanguish at digifix.com Fri May 21 14:38:45 1999 From: sanguish at digifix.com (Scott Anguish) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:11 2005 Subject: UPS for OSX Server In-Reply-To: <021f01bea3ac$db348ff0$3f5aa8c0@verity.com> References: <021f01bea3ac$db348ff0$3f5aa8c0@verity.com> Message-ID: <199905212138.RAA21443@digifix.com> Terry Wilcox wrote: > Isn't it going to be tough to use a smart UPS to shutdown MacOS X Server > without serial port support? The UPS needs some way to tell the computer to > shutdown. There is a serial driver included, but it doesn't work well... now, the question is, does it work well enough to run at a low speed, low data exchange rate that a UPS would require? I've ported one of the FreeBSD UPS daemons... I've not had the guts to deal with the serial cabling issues.. We do now have DriverKit on the Darwin release, so theoretically someone could take some LINUXppc or other drivers (USB and serial) and move them to the Mac OS X Server. Also, I've been told that serial driver source code is high on the release list at Apple.. From cameron at mach.evolution.com Fri May 21 14:43:43 1999 From: cameron at mach.evolution.com (Cameron Ashby) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:11 2005 Subject: NetBooting References: <199905201612.MAA30719@mail.richmond.net> <374443DD.A6541528@apple.com> Message-ID: <9905212143.AA24956@mach.evolution.com> Joe Keenan wrote: > You might have a problem with broadcasts. If a client does a broadcast > to 10.0.0.255, the server isn't likely to recognize it on the 10.0.0.10 > port (it's looking for 10.0.0.127). The .130 port will recognize it. > A broadcast to 255.255.255.255 will get recognized on both ports, and > might cause duplicate handling. Like two DHCP responses. I'm planning to netboot a fairly large number of iMacs. We had concluded that the appropriate solution was to use a managed switch and partition it so that client broadcasts would hit the right ports on the server. We still have some details to work out regarding network configuration, but before we proceed, I need to resolve a more immediate problem. I've found some workarounds for these and other problems, but if anyone has relevant experience or advice, it would be much appreciated. I am concerned about the behavior of the NetBoot server when booting clients on multiple ports. The two ports I have been using are the builtin port and port 1 on the four port card, presently on different subnets. Following are some brief excerpts from my notes: Problem: Client will not net boot. Instead it delays for about a minute, then boots from the local drive. Server's /var/log/system.log shows bootp IP request and the message "no ip address available in subnet x.x.x.x". This occurs only the first time a given client is net booted. Cause: It appears that the NetBoot Server has problems assigning IP addresses when netboot is enabled on more than one port. Once a client has successfully net booted, and the server has a record of the client, it will net boot from the same server, on the same port, even if additional ports are enabled. Problem: Client will not net boot. Instead it delays for about a minute, then boots from the local drive. /var/log/system.log on the server says: "failed to get new ip address for macncXXX". Cause: I tried to move the client to a different network segment, so that the server needed to get a new IP for it. This is related to the server's problem with booting new clients when it has netboot enabled on several ports. I tried deleting the client's records from the server, and got the "no ip address available on subnet x.x.x.x" problem mentioned above. Solution: Edited the client's record in NetworkManager to give it an IP address in the segment I moved it to, which allowed the client to boot. Reproduced the problem and then disabled netboot on the old segment and the server was able to assign a new IP. cameron From tblanchard at etranslate.com Fri May 21 15:03:33 1999 From: tblanchard at etranslate.com (Todd Blanchard) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:11 2005 Subject: DNS and POP servers for OSX Server Message-ID: <1284798257-198203476@etranslate.com> I want to set up a DNS service and POP mail server for a workgroup on MacOS X Server. What do I need to go get? -thanks -- ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ eTranslate, Inc. The Power of Language Todd Blanchard main +1.415.371.0000 x119 Chief Technology Architect fax +1.415.371.0010 http://www.etranslate.com/ 520 Third Street, Suite 505, San Francisco, California 94107, U.S.A. From kc at omnigroup.com Fri May 21 15:13:25 1999 From: kc at omnigroup.com (Ken Case) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:11 2005 Subject: Voodoo2-accelerated MesaGL and Glide ports available Message-ID: <199905212213.PAA24038@ignem.omnigroup.com> [Followups to macosx-talk, please.] > Does Quake II use this [hardware acceleration] as well? It does now. See http://www.omnigroup.com/Software/Quake2/ for details. Ken From mjwise at kapu.net Fri May 21 15:32:07 1999 From: mjwise at kapu.net (Michael J Wise) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:11 2005 Subject: Apache logs disappeared In-Reply-To: <199905212135.RAA21427@digifix.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 21 May 1999, Scott Anguish wrote: > One point that I had been told by the guys who found the lookupd > problem is that if you have the same IP address in the blue box and Mac OS X > Server, Apache will die. And BlueBox won't go anywhere. No, the IP addresses are different. They're right next to each other (".21" vs ".22"), but not the same. Thanks, anyway. Aloha mai Nai`a! -- "Please have your Internet License http://kapu.net/~mjwise/ and Usenet Registration handy..." From sanguish at digifix.com Fri May 21 15:34:16 1999 From: sanguish at digifix.com (Scott Anguish) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:11 2005 Subject: DNS and POP servers for OSX Server In-Reply-To: <1284798257-198203476@etranslate.com> References: <1284798257-198203476@etranslate.com> Message-ID: <199905212234.SAA21987@digifix.com> Todd Blanchard wrote: > I want to set up a DNS service and POP mail server for a workgroup > on MacOS X Server. DNS is included (BIND).. but its recommeneded that you get the latest version.. POP required popper or imapd There are links to both of these at http://www.stepwise.com/Software/index.html (I think all on the main page.. but you might ahve to go back a month) > What do I need to go get? > > -thanks > > > -- > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > eTranslate, Inc. The Power of Language > Todd Blanchard main +1.415.371.0000 x119 > Chief Technology Architect fax +1.415.371.0010 > 520 Third Street, Suite 505, San Francisco, California 94107, U.S.A. From mjwise at kapu.net Fri May 21 15:39:06 1999 From: mjwise at kapu.net (Michael J Wise) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:11 2005 Subject: DNS and POP servers for OSX Server In-Reply-To: <1284798257-198203476@etranslate.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 21 May 1999, Todd Blanchard wrote: > I want to set up a DNS service and POP mail server for a workgroup > on MacOS X Server. What do I need to go get? BIND and Qpopper. http://www.isc.org/bind.html http://eudora.qualcomm.com/free/servers.html Plus an O'Reilly book or two, like: http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/dns3/ Aloha mai Nai`a! -- "Please have your Internet License http://kapu.net/~mjwise/ and Usenet Registration handy..." From sanguish at digifix.com Fri May 21 15:52:50 1999 From: sanguish at digifix.com (Scott Anguish) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:17:11 2005 Subject: OSX and OSXS Message-ID: <199905212249.SAA22152@digifix.com> OK.. so I'm confused OSX says you have to have the latest firmware update on a BW G3. The firmware update says don't run it if you are using OSXS on the machine.. What do you do if you want to install OSX on it now, but will __have__ to move to OSXS again shortly (so I can move