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The process of being productive

by Linda Sharps on February 5, 2007

I have to admit, I've never been a particularly rabid fan of individual/organizational be-the-best-YOU-you-can-be methodologies.  Maybe because on the surface they kind of remind me of diet books, where people can take some fairly basic concepts—“Don't eat fistfuls of lard!”—and wrap an entire industry around them.

Also, they always seem to involve so many Productized Buzzwords™, after a while they all start sounding the same. Fish: Who Moved My 7 Habits of Mythical One-Minute Management?, or something.

I did like Getting Things Done, although I'm not religious (at all) about adhering to its principles. I like the ideas, and I like the relatively non-annoying language it contains (exceptions: “uh-oh bell”, “interruptitis”). I was stupidly dumbstruck by the simplicity and SHEER GENIUS of the Next Action concept, which has saved my butt on numerous occasions when I've struggled with how to make headway on a project (Me, talking to myself: “Pick up the phone and get a quote on the printing! Also, don't eat lard!”).

Still, I'm kind of lazy about getting organized and the idea of using specialized software to do so seemed a little daunting. I worried I'd find myself thinking, “Oh, I should really send that email but first I should write down that I need to send the mail so I'm reminded to send the email.” Which seems kind of . . . needlessly complicated?

As I learn more about what OmniFocus will be able to do for me, though, I'm starting to see a lot more benefits than getting reminded about email to-dos. There's the Quick Entry feature, for one: from within any app, you'll be able to use a key command to bring up a window (like Quicksilver), in which you can jot down text and file it in the appropriate context and project. So you could build a whole project, or quickly capture ten unrelated things and have them all land where they belong—then move on with whatever you were doing.

Having something that stays out of my way until I need it, then provides me with an easy, superfast capture? Okay, I'm officially on board. I'm both easily distracted (that dog has a puffy tail!) and living with many distractions (I have a 17-month-old toddler, it's a wonder I'm even upright and typing right now instead of singing the Blue's Clues theme to myself, over and over and OVER), so I really could use a method of gathering together my scattered, feeble neural flickerings and making some sense of them.

I should note that since OmniFocus isn't tied to a specific productivity methodology, it's flexible, and doesn't require you to adopt a particular way of thinking in order to use it. It's designed to work for the GTD crowd as well as the rest of us.

I'm most excited about the loftier goals of OmniFocus, I think. At its most basic, it will be easy to use OmniFocus to keep track of things you need to do, but I can imagine that its combination of information capture and processing might yield all kinds of amazing results. How much more headway could it help you make into a tough project? How many great ideas might you be able to save?  How much more could you accomplish, if you had the right tool to help you?

Why, it's enough to make me want to be the best me I can be, and I never thought I'd type that sentence without including the word “BAAAAARF”. Or possibly “HOOOORK”. 

So as we collectively, impatiently wait for OmniFocus to reach a coveted State Of Beta-Dom*, tell me, if you tend to use tools to help you be more productive, do you have any success stories to share? Things you were able to get done that you might not have otherwise? I'm interested to hear from you, and maybe get some tips.

* I have no update yet on this timeframe, I'm sorry to tell you—I can say that there's currently a lot of work being done on the UI. There are lots of challenging issues over how to present information in the best possible stay-out-of-your-face-but-be-intuitively-accessible style, but if anyone's up for the task, it's Omni's team of UI brainiacs.

 

Comments

No, I have no success stories


Right now I've got some bits in my Palm, some in Yojimbo, some in my Google Calendar, some in my brain, some in that stack of papers over there which in 3 months I'll realize was 90% junk but don't have time to go through.


The hardest part for me is that I'm not always in front of a computer, when I'm in front of a computer it's not always online, and I don't find myself trusting any of these systems that I've found yet.


All paper?  Index cards?  Great, if I can find them all.  Plus I've got to carry them with me all the time.  What if I lose them or forget them?


All electronic?  I'm usually not too far from my laptop, but how will I remember to go back and look at it later?


That's my biggest disappointment with OmniPlan: I went through and setup all these “projects” but there are no alarms, so unless I go to OmniPlan to look at it, I'm not sure what I might have missed.


There's gotta be a better way.  I just don't know what it is yet.  I have a lot of hope in OmniFocus, but I'm also afraid it's going to be summertime before I get to see it.

TjL

02.05.07 8:09 AM

The comment above is exactly what I was about to write.  I'd reiterate the 2 key points for me: the system has to be 100% trustworthy, and it “has to be every where, all the time”. 


Perhaps a feature to sync all my data with .Mac, and an Omni subscription web site to view / add items through a browser (from my iPhone!), with changes all syncing up later?

AJ

02.05.07 9:47 AM

I use Lifebalance and I'm happy with it so far.  I'm sure OmniFocus will be a serious alternative. But I guess It'll lack the option to take the todo-list with me when I'm not at the computer.  For me that's indispensable.

Erik

02.05.07 10:01 AM

I have tried to take away the most salient components of GTD, and implement them, without sweating the details. The trap with GTD is that it is easy to end up spending a lot of energy managing your system, rather than doing things. So, I cooked up a VoodooPad script that searches the entire document for lines containing context words (i.e. those prepended with “@”), and compiling them onto one page, sorted by context. Thus, next actions and contexts are readily available, and can be updated with a single keystroke as tasks are added or completed. No more fiddling with kGTD or managing an enormous Entourage implementation. So far, so good.

Chris

02.05.07 10:01 AM

I've tried a few things over the years. One of the best was a program called LifeBalance for the Palm OS. At the time, though, the desktop program didn't exist, and entering everything via Graffiti was painful. I've been thinking about trying it again, but I'm an expert procrastinator.


iCal does what it can as a basic calendar to keep me somewhat organized—- and again, the key is that it syncs with my Palm-based phone.


Without that synchronization, any organizational tool is going to fall short: while I'm fond of my laptop, it's just not with me everywhere I need to be organized. I know that's asking a lot of OmniFocus right out of the chute, especially if Omni doesn't have programming expertise on other platforms. But if you could architect with the idea of such data exchange in mind, and perhaps even publish a specification on how to interface with OmniFocus, perhaps third parties could step in and fill in any gaps. There are huge Palm and WinCE developer communities.


What I've read about the iPhone makes it sound like it'll be a tightly controlled platform. But Omni seems more than able to produce a first-class OS X application, and that might open a door for you. If OmniFocus is as good as some of your other apps, I might be willing to dump my Palm for an iPhone at some point—- it could be the “killer app” that makes the iPhone worthwhile.

Dave

02.05.07 11:22 AM

Do it, delegate it, defer it or discard it is the core of GTD. The “it” is the next action, which could be a part of a chain of actions in one or more projects, a one-off and could be something that can be done at work, at home or while commuting (varying contexts).


The challenge is deciding how granular to make it: too broad (end world hunger) is an obvious problem but too narrow (answer email from Jason) can also get you bogged down. The atom of the it must be definite enough to be measurable and important enough to be worth tracking. That is going to vary a lot depending on what your job is.


What OmniFocus must navigate between are the perils of trying to be the universal problem interface on the one hand and being message-centric on the other.

Richard

02.05.07 5:43 PM

I like getting organized. What I don't like is actually getting down to work. But then, what I'd really like to know is a typical menu at the OmniGroup evening meal.

Roland

02.05.07 7:42 PM

As stated above, the trap of GTD is that the system become either more attractive or harder to maintain than the actual work of getting things done.


Right now while I use kGTD -> iCal -> Missing Sync -> Treo (and back) for my GTD work, I find the system not completely reliable. Somethings things don't sync back well (Missing Sync) or get captured well (kGTD) but for the most part it allows me to GTD in front of my computer or anywhere I have my Treo (everywhere) which is nice.


If there were three things that I would do to fix it or want in OmniFocus..


1) System flexibility. Right now when you change a context or add a project, it feels difficult. The next action sorting, where things are put by Quicksilver, the syncing from Treo to-dos, all work but not with a fluid motion.


2) Different views. The one big OO project view list is ok, but the ability to focus on one project, build it out, extend it and change it is not easy. Context views are also good, but with smart views I hope this to be better and easier to sort down.


3) Stats. I am a stats guy. I like my stats big and strong and lots of them. Give my OmniFocus stats like how many projects do I have, how many tasks? How many actions completed yesterday, last week, last month, last year? How long have my projects been open? Which is the oldest?


I have great hope for OmniFocus just not in 1.0 but in 2.0 and beyond.


BZ

BZ

02.05.07 11:35 PM

[...] The guys at Omni just started a discussion related to their upcoming product, which is not even in beta for now, and, hey, I was a little provoked by this. Why not trying to clarify my own techniques and processes. For that, I only have one piece of software and that is ThinkingRock, so far. [...]

eDragonu - the choice of a personal path » M

02.05.07 11:43 PM

Great, now I've got Blues Clues running through my head! Thanks!


I have five children. I understand distraction, really I do.


... then you put it in your notebook…

Gus Gosselin

02.06.07 1:47 AM

I am a productivity nerd, but I am living in the paper planner world.  i played with palms, visors and a variety of other devices, but I end up going back to paper because it just works well for jotting notes when I am away from my computer. 


Personally, OmniFocus would be paper nerd Nirvana if it was able to print tasks, appointments, etc directly onto the mainstream paper planner pages.  For example, if I could feed a piece of Franklin Covey Original paper into a printer and have it print out my daily calander in the right spot, this would be the ideal solution for a paper/tech user…  Is this likely to happen?  No.  But, it would be sweet.


Either way, good luck with the project.  I can't wait to see how it turns out.

pt

02.06.07 4:17 AM

I'm using Kinkless right now, and I'm eagerly awaiting the OmniFocus beta. Before Kinkless, I spent a few months with LifeBalance. While ultimately it wasn't for me, I really appreciated its wholistic approach. With LifeBalance you can obtain the sort of info BZ is looking for, but in a very visual dashboard fashion. Context is very important to me, and I like being able to go back and review how long it has taken me to do things in the past.


That said, I know it will be tricky to balance the need for simplicity and the competing feature demands offered by your customers. A small feature set that emphasizes speed and flexibility would impress me. GTD is such a personal thing. If OmniFocus is clean, easy to grok, and highly scriptable, I could see a dedicated community building around OmniFocus, allowing all different sorts of users the opportunity to tweak the app to suit their particular GTD needs.

Erik

02.06.07 5:12 AM

[...] As they move forward with development, Omni Group is also posting periodically on their blog to keep the waiting throngs informed about the development process. Today they ask readers if they have any productivity tips to share. If you have discovered any particularly successful ways of getting things done on a daily basis, tell Omni Group about your productivity techniques. With any luck, they’ll succeed in creating a powerful, flexible tool that will help overworked, overstressed law students cope with the chaos more effectively. [...]

Mac Law Students » Blog Archive » Omni

02.06.07 5:35 AM

So, if I read this correctly, this GTD philosophy, when applied via OmniFocus, will help me be productive, use new (if not unpopular) buzzwords, lose weight and break my lard addiction? Does it come in blue?

Wrong Size Glass

02.06.07 6:59 AM

I'm with TJL, I tried a lot of software-tools, tried the hipsterPDA and whatelse but they all lack the integration needed for a system to truly work. The iPhone was giving me some hope until I discovered that Apple probably won't allow an iPhone version of OmniFocus..

Hayssam

02.06.07 7:23 AM

I'm currently using Remember The Milk and Hipster's PDA. Nothing to write home about yet, as I'm only starting that struggle :) But it seems to work. RTM is pretty flexible, and it's rather nice I can use it from my computer and that of my girlfriend.

That leaves me tied to the net and to the specific server though, not to mention the clumsiness of any web-interface. So I'd most probabely enjoy a good app. I might even convert from PC to Mac by the time Omni Group gets it out ::)

samokhov

02.06.07 8:07 AM

I am new to GTD, and a longtime mac user.  I work in a windows world (unfortunately), and use Entourage.  Especially given the white paper for sale at Davidco, I would like to see Omnifocus able to work with Entourage.  Entourage does many GTD things well, but hard to do “next action”, and can't see all projects open @ same time.

David

02.06.07 4:11 PM

I was thinking more about my implementation and what has been helping me lately.  I'm also intrigued by OmniFocus and it's possible future success.  I have to admit that I hope that the excitement/hype surrounding the product doesn't leave the majority of us (who are hoping for the holy graal) a bit disappointed.  Dealing with this aspect may be one of Omni's biggest issues with adoption of the program (even if it is quite excellent- just not über-excellent).


I'll mention a number of items that I think are important to me- at least enough to mention them in a comment. ;)

1) The ability to take the system lo-fi.  Printing views seamlessly into 3x5 or 4x6 etc., is something that many of us may value. (hipster etc.)  Right now I print out kGTD into 3x5 prints (doesn't work perfectly- grr)...


2) The ability to handle related sub-projects and “waiting for's” with grace.  Finish step 3 of said project, step 4 should highlight and become a true next-action (instead of just an action within that project).  In Allen's GTD system, anything with more than 1 step is a project.  So, the ability to be savvy and work with multi-stepped multi-children projects seems to me to be something that most programs have been unsuccessful at.  This is the tie-in point with OmniPlan.  I'm thinking a mini version of OmniPlan (cuthtroat) for multi-step projects. IN fact, if done properly, a user of OmniFocus could likely “own” a task in a larger project, or perhaps a sub-tree in a larger omniplan project.  An example- I'm giving my Preliminary defense in the near future… I have a zillion sub-projects, and those are often multi-tierd as well.  It would be awfully nice if upon completion of a parent, the next step jumps to the next-action lists (just as I'd do manually).  Of course many projects have multiple actions that are *all* next actions… don't require a single next-action for a single project- that's insane speak.


3) Ability to track time on projects… while I'm not a consultant, I'm starting to use PCEO (David Seah's) pdf's for time-tracking of critical projects.  I use Merlin's 10+2x5 (altered) hack to ensure I'm productive, and catalog my time.  It would be wonderful if I could track this type of thing with the ability to graph output for a week view etc… so, I could take a list of my projects, graph hours -v- weekdays and see which projects are being ignored, or what days of my week are not productive etc.  ;)


(3) is a bit of icing that can be done with data accumulated… of course it would require user input etc., or a special link to time-tracking software (probably over kill).  But, the ability to put in days and hours spent?  Might prove useful for consultants as well as procrastination-hack-philes.


I wish Omni the best of luck with Focus.  It's my hope that they'll produce a program that everyone will rave about! :)


Cheers!

a11en

02.07.07 8:13 AM

Oh, right, I forgot the time tracking. Just like I forget to turn it on, as often as not.

SlimTimer is a good, solid tool for that. There's just two cons: it's online only, and it's separate from my todo lists (which I keep in Remember The Milk). On the bright side, timers are turned on and off just by clicking on a task, there's a manual editing of records and a whole bunch of reports.

I was thinking about FusionDesk which is both a todo list and a timetracker (I'm using Windows currently), but it just doesn't feel right.

And sometimes I also use a software timer to work in, say, 10-minute chunks. I know many people advise to generate tasks that are 10 minutes or shorter, but sometimes it just make no sense to generate something other than 'Dig that ditch for 10 minutes'.

Of course, on app might do it much better than the three different ones. You could add some tasks to the 'playlist', and make the timer go like 'task 1, 10 minutes, surf, 2 minutes, task 2, 10 minutes, exercise, 2 minutes' etc.

samokhov

02.07.07 10:24 PM

The really crucial thing for me is a high degree of integration with email.


Ideally, I would like OmniFocus to either be integrated with Mailtags, or have similar functionality. 


I should be able to read my email and then forward the next action to Omnifocus with a link to the email.  I tend to have a lot of next actions that say—read attachment in email from XX,  and having a link to recall the email in one click works really well with mailtags.  However, mailtags alone does not work as a total GTD package for me.


I am sort of using kGTD but the lack of stability and the difficulty of integrating with email has meant I am drifting away from it.


I also hope that there will be robust connectivity with OmniPlan so that I can use both to link long term planning with near term action.


Thanks

Frank Lockhart

02.08.07 9:40 AM

Yes, I think that the gratest succes was to keep lots of things out of my head.

At work it's done by bugzilla. I don't have to thing too much about all things to doo. I just take one issue and solve it. No need to remember zillion of other issues.


For other situations kGTD and MissingSync did the same work. No need to remember a email adress. Just look at the action “contact editor in cheef” and write down the mail.

satai

02.09.07 1:50 AM

I use KGTD regularly, but I've modified it in several ways that I hope will be possible (or directly supported) in OmniFocus.


First of all (and this *is* part of KGTD planning), I want to be able to specify a duration for tasks, and sort by it.  So when I'm trying to decide *which* Next Action, I can see which ones I have time to do.


Secondly, I want to be able to sort Next Actions.  My script for that in KGTD sorts first those things thare overdue (by date due and priority), then stuff for right now, then stuff that is supposed to have started, then stuff that doesn't need to be done yet.


The third script I have, it sounds like OmniFocus will have as well—which is the ability to launch a todo from anywhere, and chose the context and project from a pick list.


Finally I have a script for syncing with MailTags (unfortunately broken with the latest beta) that lets me assign a project and context to a mail message using MailTags, and have the information make it through in the iCal -> KGTD sync (and back again).

Kee Hinckley

02.13.07 7:19 AM

Syncing, syncing, syncing. With iCal. Absolutely crucial to me. I use iCal alarms and email reminders heavily.


I bought OmniOutlinerPro in the first place so that I could use Kinkless to get organized and sync back to iCal.


(I use 3 Macs and I have Automator actions on all of them to ftp my iCal data to my phpical installation on the Web, and then all my iCals can subscribe to each other's calendars. Whew! But it works. And then I sync to my Palm!)

Jessi

02.14.07 6:45 AM

The best success I ever had was with a paper planner from Another Time Management Course (not GTD).  Aside from ubiquity, the greatest feature was the idea of tracking your larger goals, and blocking out chunks of time in your day for those goals.  So instead of scheduling tasks, you were scheduling progress on a goal, and you could be flexible about how you made progress toward that goal.


That helped me not only get things done, but get the right things done.


I'd really like a program that would let me click through an appointment set to a goal and navigate me to the task list for that goal.  Consider that a feature request!

 

Karen

02.14.07 8:52 AM

I'm a GTDer, and I'm pretty happy with Kinkless. I have a few minor luxuries I'd like to see (like simple generation of a master projects list, a graceful way to create agendas, and maybe a better way of handling Someday/Maybes and Waiting For items), but the one thing I'd absolutely must have if I'm going to pay for OmniFocus is a view that shows me only the very next action on each project. I've never been satisfied with the Kinkless method of showing all actions but coloring them to indicate which ones are next. I'd really love the ability to not be able to see any action I can't start now. (The ability to not be able?)

Tony

02.15.07 6:40 AM

Lots of useful comments here.


As you point out in your original post, ease of getting data into the system is a big one.


If, down the track, there was some kind of analysis ans sorting as per Stikkit that would be cool (I don't know how much time I spend copying and pasting into iCal todos and appointments). But to begin with it just needs to be dead simple to get stuff into the system.


Syncing is important for that reason - I use a SonyEricsson k750i and will probably get an iPhone next year when it shows up in AsiaPac. I use my phone to refer to my calendar, though it is rare for me to generate a new appointment when I'm not at my computer. However, I often generate new tasks when I am away from my computer (on the bus - “Must remember to”) and putting it into the tasks area of my phone is a good way to ensure it ends up in iCal. I almost never don't have my phone with me.


Ditto for the issues with kGTD on subprojects. If the interface for OmniFocus is as good as I expect, I hope to be able to draft a few actions for a new project within OmniFocus, but I might then think about importing into Omniplan where I have to do gantt charts etc. for clients.


Good luck and thanks for keeping us in the loop!

danny

02.17.07 8:25 AM

I have to second the need for being able to set times for tasks. That is the one and only thing I liked (and miss) about Midnight Inbox's interface.


As others have mentioned, synching is a huge part of the equation. To be anywhere and have the ability to jot down a note, todo, etc. would really revolutionize my workflow.


I suggested this in an earlier post and still think it's viable: Since people are really wanting ubiquity with their GTD system and every other smart phone on the market has email, I would love to see OmniFocus be able to have a pop or imap interface that I can set a specific email address (.(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) perhaps) for and email myself constant updates, tasks, tickler notes, etc. while away from the computer. Then when I get back to my computer, launch OmniFocus, it gathers the emails, sorts them into projects and by contexts, all that jazz, and I don't have to duplicate my data capturing. Most of the time, I have the good fortune to have my laptop with me, but there are definitely times when I really need something to fill that gap.


I'm a film producer and I could walk into a meeting with nothing on my plate and walk out with nearly 20-50 todo's. So when things come up while I'm away from my computer constantly, being able to send an email and have it all ready to go in my laptop without a second thought would be an absolute godsend. Just thinking about the things I could do just through email gives me a chubby.

Milo

02.18.07 11:38 AM

I like the guides Midnight Inbox gives me while organizing. The Collect-> Organize->Work Approach seems to help bringing a little bit order into the mess.


I like the Quicksilver Integration of kGTD. I have to be able to enter new thoughts or stuff in the simplest way possible. AS you said OmniFocus will have that feature too.


Synchronization will be great. For me a simple sync of the actionscontext lists to my iPod would be great. Just to have a look what's next when I'm outside. Typically I forget to look at my “errands” context before leaving the computer. So having it synced to the iPod would great.


What about input of thoughts when I'm out of office? Taking the laptop with me? No. But I almost always have a email capable phone with me. So what about scanning an eMail Inbox for specific mails? I would like to send myself an eMail with a specific format and OmniFocus is scanning my Inbox for that mails and fetch thing. That would be definitly a killer feature.


Trustworthyness includes Backup. OmniFocus needs a good backup concept. I mean to one big binary file. Some kind of basic human readable files would be great. So if all goes wrong and i only have a shell then I want be able to read my data or export it to a different program.


That are my thoughts and I'm eager to get a Beta in my hands.

Falko

02.19.07 5:15 AM

Sort by dates, please, please, please. Sort by dates within a project, sort by dates in the complete universe of projects. Sort by date so I can look at a date 2 weeks in the future and determine if I have time to add a 2 hour project or not. Assign time values to to dos so that I don't schedule six 4 hour projects in 1 work day.


Currently using OO w/kGTD.

Stormy Knight

02.19.07 10:15 AM

Can you PLEASE, give us a rough date for the beta, and for the final release?

front

02.20.07 9:12 AM

My whole system broke down after my PowerBook got stolen last summer. Then I started a new job in November and was issued a new MacBook Pro. But my 20 person company uses Daylite for its calendaring and they want to control all the category settings in order to use reporting from Daylite for some financial engineering and allocation.


Sigh….it all worked with kGTD and ical last summer, but I am being singularly unsuccessful today trying to shoehorn a real computerized system on top of a Daylite,Apple Mail, Treo 650 toolset.


I really just need it to work. I really just need it yesterday. You know you want me on your beta list!


Cheers,

David

LostinaFog

02.20.07 10:04 AM

I follow the GTD system very close in my daily work and i find KGTD a great tool for doing that. The key ingredient KGTD has for me beside GTD implementation, it is the fact that is based on omnioutliner and i can easily add new columns for useful data, like the hours spent in a task.  I organise my work projects in this way and i have new hopes in omnifocus

Mauricio

02.22.07 6:12 PM

And i also find very useful the way KGTD allows me to structure (indent) tasks in a project

Mauricio

02.22.07 10:22 PM

I take a little blue pill, and married a super-organized person.  Now I can remember that I have a great organizational program on my new macbook, but fortunately I don't have to learn how to use it…..

Linda R.

02.24.07 3:15 AM

I'm using an applet called Actiontastic and it's pretty good, but am looking for something that can serve me better. I don't want to repeat what's already been posted, a lot of which I agree with, but instead share my needs. To my mind, there are a couple of issues: first, I have to be able to jump back and forth from level to level - if I'm working on listing projects and suddenly I think of a next action on an old one, I want to get there, throw it in to where I can find it, and get back to what I was doing without losing concentration. Same for adding a context.

The level-to-level issue works in a different way as well. I need to flick back and forth between seeing all my projects and drilling down into any one of them to see next actions (and even be able to create sub-projects for any given project [if I'm writing a book about Haydn quartets or Mesopotamian architecture, I will have the book as an overall project with its own action items (meet with publisher, design cover, whatever) and have subprojects that are part of it, but will have their own constellations of next actions (Opus 33 quartets chronology, history of zigurrats, whatever) BUT - and here's where it gets tricky - I need to be able to generate my context-driven lists so I can see them clearly and work off them, either from the computer screen or from printouts.

The point of an app like this one has to be ease of use in both inputting information and in retrieving it. If the information is in there but buried or obscured by the display, it's going to be useless. Also, even though this is probably GTD heresy, a given acton item might have two contexts or perhaps more, so I should be able to tag it so that it appears in my “NYC”, “on-line” and “talk to Dan about” contexts if it happens that I need to be on line to do this, have to be using the computer in my NY office for it, and need to coordinate with Dan about how best to make it happen. You as a company seem resistant to the idea of cloning (ethical concerns?? ) - I'm amazed that I still can't do this in OO, after years of requests by all kinds of people and some pointed comments by Ted Goranson in his outliner series in ATPM - but you are probably going to have to have some kind of cloning (finally) in this product if you allow multiple contexts of action items. It doesn't make much sense for me to look at the item in my “discuss with Dan” context, fine-tune it there, and then when I'm at the right computer find that I'm dealing with an iteration of my task that doesn't have my latest thinking in it.

I think your beta-testing is going to be really helpful to you, since it's going to involve people using this intensely on things that are important to them and that they have to deal with on a constant basis (and I think that means that you'd better find some way for people to protect the data they entrust to the beta so that the price of being a beta tester doesn't include having the organizational structure of your life crash and burn beyond retreival). So, that's what I think. Good luck and move fast. I'm sure I'm not the only one who's anxious to see the result.

Stephen Chakwin

02.27.07 2:26 AM

Eh, I just throw everything up in the air and run away as fast as I can. I'm considering a career in the circus. Then I won't have to be productive – everybody will just pay me for my ridiculously good looks and naturally green hair and red nose.


Actually, I must say my life “being productive” was slightly easier when my PowerBook wasn't out of commission, like it has for the past two months. I used kGTD a *lot* more, then, in conjunction with a Weekly Moleskine Planner and index cards (which very conveniently fit nicely right in the Moleskine).


Now I'm leaning heavy on the Moleskine and index cards. And while I usually always have my PowerBook with me (granted, when it's working), I'm really starting to think I'll rely from here on out on either my current paper-based system or wait to see what goodies the iPhone has. I'm planning on it now being pretty much only handheld (i.e. something that fits in my pocket; and not quite a 17” PowerBook at that… I don't want people asking anymore, “Is that a 17” in your pants?”) all the way.


I recently attempted to replace my txt “scratch” file that I use for random thoughts/general inbox with Stikkits, and while it was easy to upload thoughts and such (presuming I was near an internet connection and a computer), I really got in the habit of never again thinking about them. Stikkits was sort of the Land of No Return, and since there's no mechanism yet (a widget maybe?) that keeps those stickit notes in front of me, I don't think it's a reliable system for me.


So now I'm just waiting…


Leopard has some nifty stuff coming up of course, but based on what we know (system-wide to-dos, feeding into iCal), I really don't know if that'll do it completely for me. (And iCal lacks contexts and projects. That really sucks.)


Hopefully OmniFocus will be able to replace kGTD when it comes out (and system-wide integration! woo hoo!), and it'd be just sheer coolness if you guys were able to create a full-featured iPhone counterpart version. That would really be one well-contained system.


I think then I'd be happy. Oh, and with a cookie. I'd want a cookie too, then I'd be really happy.

Daniel

02.27.07 8:00 AM

I've been working with OO/kGTD off and on for a while, but I'm not completely satisfied with it. I've tried some of the software that was mentioned in previous comments to this post, and actually it's just made me appreciate the OO/kGTD combi more. For example, Midnight Inbox looks delish, but it's terribly slow on my year-and-a-half-old iBook G4. What I've also come to appreciate about kGTD is that you can edit your projects and actions anywhere, in any view.

What I did like about Midnight Inbox is the ability to add notes easily from anywhere in the program (command-enter), but I think Quicksilver integration would be even better.

Nieske

02.27.07 9:42 PM

Also, the ability to give tasks priorities is something I liked about one of the apps I tried out (I don't even remember which one it was). I'm not sure if it's completely in line with GTD, but since I always have dozens of tasks to do at a time, that'd be a nice way to add some more structure.

Nieske

02.28.07 6:59 PM

Just make the iCal syncing work, so I can get everything into my PDA.


If that worked in KGTD, I'd pretty much be set.


I also hope that in simplifying it, you don't completely abandon the outline metaphor from OO. At least for me, being able to organize projects as collapsible outlines really makes them easier to work with.


I have certain project types that repeat over and over again with relatively minor changes. It's great to open a template in KGTD, name it and then have the thing active there.


But because the syncing does really work, I can't differentiate which repeated task goes with which project.

j-lon

03.20.07 6:53 PM
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